Everyday Treasoning: I Melt With You (The Treason Thread, Part 41)

Link to previous thread for reference.

Noun, verb, 9/11, hair dye.

That picture is terrifying, OP.

Nightmare fuel.

Could someone PLEASE nail him into his coffin this time???

That title is CLASSIC.

R5 LMAO! I'll bring the hammer if you bring the nails!

He’s a shithead

Nailing him doesn't work, you fools!

Only a wooden stake through the heart kills The Ghoul!

R9 you think he has one? HAHAHAHA.

He might need to get on the bed to adjust and check for it.

No census data for you! Census data will not be ready in time for Trump to fuck with it, says Census Bureau, but will be given to President Biden instead.

Looks like someone spit a wad of chewing tobacco on the side of his ugly face.

Warning on the bottle: "Won't stain your pillow, but will embarrass you if holding a bogus press conference."

Isn't it coincidental that Sydney Powell (Flynns Atty) Joe DiGenova and Victoria Toensing are all at Rudy Giuliani's presser...ALL OF WHOM ARE ON THE PAYROLL OF DMITRY FIRTASH. Is that who Jenna Ellis sold her soul to ?

We all knew it was going to get this way before things got good again. Come Jan 20, Pres Bone Spurs will be demoted.

remaking "Death In Venice"?

Orange Shitpile thanks his sister Elizabeth for her support; turns out he was responding to a parody account, @TheBettyTrump

About fucking time r18.

Giuliani and his team kicked out of Trump's meeting with the Michigan officials because they were all exposed to Andrew Giuliani, who has COVID. “It’s just a shitshow, it’s a joke,” said a Trump campaign adviser.

HA HA.

[quote]“It’s just a shitshow, it’s a joke,” said a Trump campaign adviser.

NOW they realize that? NOW?

After four, long suffering years they finally realize that?

Because... FL?

I'm sure we're all sending our best wishes.

Since R23 didn't load the photo.

And yet they still don't ban Orange's main Orange account.

Glenn Kirschner:

Trump Can't Install Himself as President, But His Actual Goal May Be Immunity From Prosecution

I so want to see this orange fuck and his entire administration of criminals go to prison.

And his family, r28. Don't forget his family!

Glenn Kirschner:

Trump Knows He Lost. Next Up: Pardons & How to Defeat Corruptly-Delivered Pardons in Court

Neal Katyal: Trump’s Behavior ‘Basically Guarantees’ He’ll Be Prosecuted:

Ghouli already knew his son had tested poz for Covid, but went ahead with the presser in that tiny, hot, cramped room. Then soon after announced he was going into quarantine- after yelling and spitting and sweating on everyone.

R32.

Glenn Kirschner:

Here's Why the Rule of Law Requires Trump Be Prosecuted Upon Leaving Office

These Are the 3 Inmates AG Barr Ordered Be Executed Ahead of Anti-Death-Penalty Biden Admin

If you've wondered, is it really treason? Isn't Trump just a stupid crook? Try reading this Twitter thread on U.S. withdrawal from the Open Skies Treaty, which was negotiated to "establish[] a program of unarmed aerial surveillance flights over the entire territory of its participants." U.S. withdrawal was to Russia's benefit. Go back into the 2019 tweets to see some of the short-term results.

It really was treason.

Glenn Kirschner:

Michigan Certifies Biden, Barr Goes Underground & McConnell Picks Judges Over Suffering Americans

Glenn Kirschner:

Biden's Pick for Secretary Of State, Tony Blinken, Is About to See What Pompeo Has Been Hiding

[quote]Biden's Pick for Secretary Of State, Tony Blinken, Is About to See What Pompeo Has Been Hiding

AVERT YOUR GAZE Biden's Pick for Secretary Of State, Tony Blinken! AVERT YOUR GAZE!

Of course he did.

Glenn Kirschner:

Trump Corruptly Pardons Mike Flynn. Does Judge Sullivan Have Any Options Left in Flynn's Case?

O.K., I'm teary eyed...

To all the Mueller/ Treason thread posters- the light at the end of the tunnel is getting brighter. Our soon to be ex Pres Bone Spurs was humiliated and beaten. He’s whining like the huge man-baby he is. Enjoy your Thanksgiving and please stay safe!

FCI, we need deets on the whining, please!

Is he afraid the new AG will dish his diet for the world to see?

We gonna get confirmation of our treason suspicions?

Spill, baby!

Glenn Kirschner:

Trump's Corrupt Pardon of Flynn MUST be Challenged; Even Barr Says Corrupt Pardons are Illegal

Keith Olbermann: They All Need To Be Prosecuted Or They'll Try It Again:

The entire Repug party has been becoming more and more a criminal enterprise since Reagan. It needs to end. Biden is a one termer. He needs to be the one to end it, not play pattycake with them.

Q. Please. If Michael Flynn accepts the pardon (do you accept or does it just happen?) he is admitting he is guilty and may never plead the fifth again. Can he be brought to trial on other charges and be made to testify about what he was pardoned for?

Or against Trump ^^^

R48, as far as I know, you are correct. Flynn likely knows the conditions of accepting a pardon, but that Arizona sheriff (name forgotten and I’m not looking it up) only learned that accepting Trump’s pardon involved an admission of guilt after the fact. During an interview with Ari Melber, actually. Great TV.

But I digress. Pardons imply guilt and strip 5th amendment rights related to the charges/convictions pardoned, as I’ve learned in this 4+ years long civics lesson from hell that is the Trump administration.

I guess to further answer your question, he could be brought to testify against Trump, and couldn’t plead the fifth if he were asked to testify that Trump asked him to do something illegal.

Yes that’s what R49 was saying

...and if he lies under oath, off to prison he goes. We have a LOT of information on this entire cabal...including Flynn. More than enough to know if hes lying AND WHY. Flynn will end up in prison one way or another...as well as HIS SON.

January 12th, r50....seems forever ago, doesn't it?

That’s it R54! Good find. Thanks!

R48, there are several old Supreme Court cases involving men who refused to accept pardons because they did not want to make the implicit admission of guilt and waive their Fifth Amendment rights. So, yes, you have to “accept” the pardon.

Speaking of treason.....

R57...stop posting that right wing bullshit. Seriously. None of it is true, and the lame attempts by members of the GOP to garner favor with Trump will ultimately seal their fate.

R58 I'm just warning you all what Trump and the reich have up their sleeves now. Steve Bannon is back on board, pushing right wing legislatures in states Biden won to disregard the results and send their own electors. It's seditious and treasonous, but when has that ever stopped them before?

STOP. JUST STOP.

It won’t work. Biden will be president.

R44 I believe we will get confirmation of treasonous activities by this out going, disgraced administration.

No Republican state legislature is going to disenfranchise millions of voters just to please Trump. That was wishful thinking.

Right R59. State legislatures are going to align themselves with noted POS Steve Bannon. Thanks for the “warning”, but not in your wildest pantless fantasies.

PA Senate leader Jake Corman is a Centre County native (that blue central PA county in a field of red), and while a notable POS in his own way, I don’t see him committing political suicide via disenfranchising his neighbors and millions of others in this state. I still believe he has his eye on the Toomey’s upcoming US Senate vacancy, and we know what Toomey has had to say about this election.

PA Is a weird goddamm state, but most of these politicians will not take such drastic measures against their own self interest.

Glenn Kirschner:

Trump-Appointed Federal Appeals Court Judge Rejects Trump/Giuliani's Attack on PA Elections Results

Rep. Schiff on MSNBC: Trump Cannot Pardon Himself, “No One is a Judge of Their Own Case”

Glenn Kirschner:

Comparing Trump's Pardon of Flynn with Ford's Pardon of Nixon Shows Not All Pardons Created Equal

Mitch McConnell Started Working On Filling Ginsburg's Seat Minutes After She Died

McConnel started working on filling Ginsburg's seat the day Trump won the election in 2016...

Because I watched [italic]Valley Girl[/italic] on Amazon Prime yesterday:

You really oughta be ashamed of yourself, not bragging about it.

Not even slightly, r71. Nicolas Cage was at his hottest then, and it has a good soundtrack. I wish the production values had been higher, but I still like to watch it once in a while. Skip was very hot then.

Wait I love Valley Girl but why did you post on this thread?

The title is Everyday Treasoning: I Melt With You, I heard that song yesterday when I watched [italic]Valley Girl[/italic], so I posted a video. It's a great song, after all.

Whispers III

SHUT THE FUCK UP!

DOJ investigating bribery for pardon scheme. Right now it’s redacted. Is it Giuliani? My bet is Rod Blagojevich.

Flynn

Rudy Giuliani (lawyer)...Dimitry Firtash (client)...Donald Trump (WH contact)

Speculation is it's someone whose name is 4 or 4 letters long and ends in "s," because the redactions failed to omit the apostrophe. So Rick Gates?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Wow, r80, people can sleuth anything today.

"Mitch McConnell Started Working On Filling Ginsburg's Seat Minutes After She Died"

Oh honey, it was long before that.

[quote] Speculation is it's someone whose name is 4 or 4 letters long and ends in "s," because the redactions failed to omit the apostrophe. So Rick Gates?

I’d rather it was Nunes.

Gates doesnt have any money

[quote] Still wearing that hat- which is almost a joke now.

Now?

Had the misfortune of seeing Hannity just now. He's ranting like a loon about the Drumpf-Russian Collusion HOAX and how Democrats orchestrated that HOAX and now they want to tell Republicans they have to unite... and that in acting high and mighty and telling Republicans they have to Unite they prove once again that Democrats are nothing but HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!

They really do project don't they?

He then went on and on about how MI has VERIFIED and COUNTLESS stories of ELECTION FRAUD!!! Nevermind that fat fuck Barr even said there was no there there.... He had a "witness," tell a tale that they saw all the military ballots come in and they were mysteriously ALL for Biden and that ABSOLUTELY NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THOSE MILITARY BALLOTS CAME FROM A REGISTERED VOTER!!!!

Sounds like he could use some Nervine, r87.

[quote]He's ranting like a loon about the Drumpf-Russian Collusion HOAX and how Democrats orchestrated that HOAX

Yeah, Sean, that's why they're all looking for pardons now because they're all so "innocent."

Ha, struck a nerve.

Ron Johnson: Yes, Biden one, but it would be political suicide to admit it. Also, Trump is an asshole.

^ Biden *won* (ugh)

Ron Johnson is a complete moron..I hate him so much

The people who go to Dump's rallies do not love America, they love Dump. They are a poisonous fan club that got tragically out of hand.

Trump just gave a 45 min rant on FB. He is verifiably crazy! Is there nothing that can be done?

Summary of his lying speech.

Mitch McConnell Actually Cried Today. Lawrence Was Not Moved | The Last Word | MSNBC

Tense exchange between Mnuchin and Porter over relief funds

If they were alleging fraud in districts that traditionally vote Republican and were polling overwhelmingly for Trump, that had inexplicably flipped for Biden, then they'd have a leg to stand on. Instead they're just trying to invalidate votes for Biden on the grounds that people who vote for Biden are mean and stupid and shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Katie is up for CA Senate to replace Kamala. Send her some love.

The White House liaison to the DoJ has been banned from its building. I did not make that up.

[bold]Trump aide banned from Justice after trying to get case info[/bold]

WASHINGTON (AP) — The official serving as President Donald Trump’s eyes and ears at the Justice Department has been banned from the building after trying to pressure staffers to give up sensitive information about election fraud and other matters she could relay to the White House, three people familiar with the matter tell The Associated Press.

Heidi Stirrup, an ally of top Trump adviser Stephen Miller, was quietly installed at the Justice Department as a White House liaison a few months ago. She was told within the last two weeks to vacate the building after top Justice officials learned of her efforts to collect insider information about ongoing cases and the department’s work on election fraud, the people said.

Stirrup is accused of approaching staffers in the department demanding they give her information about investigations, including election fraud matters, the people said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the matter.

. . .

Stirrup had also extended job offers to political allies for positions at some of the highest levels of the Justice Department without consulting any senior department officials or the White House counsel’s office and also attempted to interfere in the hiring process for career staffers, a violation of the government’s human resources policies, one of the people said.

more at link

Glenn Kirschner:

Trump Pardons Flynn, Barr Moves for Dismissal of Flynn's Case. Ball is Now in Judge Sullivan's Court

Lindsey Graham Says Senate Will NOT Confirm Any Biden AG Nominee Who Will Investigate Trump's Crimes

No crazy there, absolutely not.

R103 well Joe can pull one right of their playbook and appoint someone as, "Acting AG.," right?

R105, yes. Biden could REVOKE Sally Yates dismissal and REINSTATE her administratively now that HE is the Democratic Unitary Executive with all the powers given by Barr. She has already been Senate approved.

Sally needs to rehire every IG fired by Trump, restart every investigation killed by Barr and investigate Republican corruption in the Senate.

Lady G can squeal all she wants but, their rules.

You know they hate when their own stupid "rules" are used against them, r106.

THEY are the only ones permitted to lie, cheat, make new rules and do whatever they want to retain power. Nobody else

Latest news is that soon to be ex-Senator Doug Jones is the likely candidate for AG.

For those more familiar with Doug Jones, would that be good or bad? In other words, do you think he'd actually go after Trump and his criminal cabal or would he be one of those "let's move on and heal" types? Nothing against him but I want the former, not the latter.

Jones prosecuted two men who were guilty of the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing in 1963, got them convicted and sentenced to life in prison. Both died there. So he is an experienced prosecutor.

R109, he strikes me as the kind of guy who would “ look forward.”

Biden needs to realize that if they do nothing about the crimes committed by this gang of goons, voters will give up and 2022 will be a blood bath.

Pence

R109 and others. It's very tricky for Biden. Keep in mind, it's the senate who approves Biden's selection. A Senate that will more than likely have a Republican majority. These assholes aren't gonna want Biden's AG to go after Trump, (as it means also going after them and their complicity), so every single Republican MotherFucker will be asking Biden's candidate about it, and ready to vote "no" at the slightest hint. Think of Kamala Harris's brilliant, incisive grilling of Jeff Sessions, but sort of in reverse. So Biden can't appoint someone who appears too gung-ho. Highly qualified people like Doug Jones and Sally Yates might be ruled out as Biden needs to choose someone who'll be approved by hypocritical Repugs.

However, it might end up being Merrick Garland.

[quote]Think of Kamala Harris's brilliant, incisive grilling of Jeff Sessions, but sort of in reverse.

And minus the brilliance and incisiveness, of course.

"Think of Kamala Harris's brilliant, incisive grilling of Jeff Sessions"

Totally agree R113. I would add "Jabba the Bill" Barr to her list of brilliant and incisive grilling performances. R114, I would love to hear your opinion of a sitting Senator who does a better job than Kamala?? Should be interesting..

R114 here.

I was in now way denigrating Vice-President Elect Harris' brilliant and incisive grilling of Sessions of Barr.

I was merely pointing out that the republican't grilling of any of Biden's appointees will be neither "brilliant" nor "incisive".

My apologies R114/R116! Sorry, I have PTSD from batting away all of the trolls on DL during this never ending election cycle.

Steve Schmidt: We Are ‘One Election Away… From Losing Our Democracy’ | Deadline | MSNBC

Like r106 says, revoke Yates' dismissal and reinstate her. The rethugs can eat shit and die twice.

Biden needs to play hardball with these pricks. Let Kamala kick them in the cunt bone. You know she's just waiting for her opportunity to make those bitches bleed.

Is Giuliani dead yet?

That's all I want, he needs to freaking die of Covid...to start the healing!

R120, CNN had an online story about him being released from the hospital.

Dammit.

[quote]Biden needs to play hardball with these pricks. Let Kamala kick them in the cunt bone. You know she's just waiting for her opportunity to make those bitches bleed.

Don't know if it was this thread or another one but I want to make sure everyone here has seen this article about how Harris, as president of the Senate, can pretty much pick the person who will run the legislative agenda in the Senate. She can castrate McConnell right off the bat.

I have a hard time believing that R122. I’ve always heard the President of the Senate truly has no role except to break 50-50 ties.

Did you read the article, R123?

Yes R124. The source doesn’t give me confidence in its validity. Hell, if it were true Biden, as President of the Senate, could AND should have forced a vote on Merrick Garland.

Lindsay Graham has to reach up to touch bottom. Check out what this piece of shit is doing now...

R125, does Biden strike you as someone who would have done that? And, it's either in the Constitution or it's not. Harris is in charge and she does have the ability to do this according to the Constitution. McConnell has broken every rule/tradition/etc. of the Senate for years now. He needs a taste of his own poison.

Could it pretty-please be more than a "taste" r127?

I’ve already started ignoring republicans esp the soon to be ex-Prez Nutjob. Irrelevant.

Why Is Lindsey Graham Saying Biden's AG Must Not Investigate Trump? Here is One Big Clue . . .

Pennsylvania AG's Brief Crushes Texas AG's Supreme Court Suit. Here's why Trump will Lose ... Again

I'll save everyone from clicking the YouTube link in r131, the case has no merit and Texas, et al have no standing.

Were Harris to do what the article at R122 suggests, all Hell would break loose.

Imagine, for example, that Mitch retains the two seats in GA (shudder) giving him a 52/48 majority. But Harris instead gives Schumer control of the floor.

[bold] Every ]/bold] Republican would cry foul.

Schumer would still need 50 votes to get anything passed. He could bring up every Biden-favored piece of legislation imaginable, but he’d still need at least two Republicans to cross over.

Even the “moderates” would be so pissed at Harris’ maneuver, depriving them of a governing majority, that I doubt he’d even get One Republican Vote.

TEXAS CASE HAS BEEN REJECTED BY THE SUPREME COURT!!

Hahaha! This is just the latest 3D chess move made by Trump and his very high IQ team. This will force JFK Jr. out of the shadows to argue the merits of the case. Once that happens, then the media will FINALLY admit that Joe and Kamala are wearing ankle bracelets and Time Magazine will have to rescind their Person Of The Year announcement. Endgame, libs!!!!

Trump is out of legal options.

Hopefully this works...

Trump Lashes Out at Bill Barr for Disloyalty. Does Barr Already Have his "Pocket Pardon"?

NY State AG James & DA Vance Moving Toward Possible Trump Charges. But US AG Must Tackle Fed Charges

So Barr is leaving sometime next week. Why? What are they up to now?

Happy Holidays!

Hee hee . . . you go Tish

Bill Barr Resigns, Signaling DOJ's Return to the Rule of Law. Here's a List of Barr's Greatest Hits

Trump NSA Cuts Short Official Europe Trip With Wife After Russian Hack Discovered | Rachel Maddow

Maddow On Pardons And Trump's Final Days Echoing Nixon's | The Beat With Ari Melber | MSNBC

From Herd Immunity to Criminal Liability for Trump & Pence for Avoidable Coronavirus Deaths

Trump Responds to Russia Cyberattack on US by... Cancelling Defense Depart Meetings w/Biden Team?

The former top intelligence official at DHS has reported to Congress as part of a whistleblower complaint that he was pressured by the Trump Admin to overstate illegal border crossings from Mexico and overplay the role of far left groups in violence during anti-government protests last summer.

What?!?! Are you saying Antifa *isn't* going to break into my house in the middle of the night, rape me and steal my TV? That just doesn’t sound realistic.

Trump Elite Strike Force Freudian typo of the week: attorney Lin Wood filed yet another election lawsuit in Georgia yesterday and signed his name with this statement -

[quote]Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. §1746, I declare and verify under PLENTY of perjury that the facts contained in the foregoing Verified Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief are true and correct.

Instead of PENALTY of purjury.

Oh, that's good, r152...

R152 time and time again they always show they cant help themselves from revealing themselves.

John Brennan: ‘There Should Be No Holiday Break’ At The Pentagon | Deadline | MSNBC

Why a Trump Self-Pardon MUST be challenged & Why Trump is Now Calling Pompeo the "Fake News Media"

Remember when Trump and Pompeo (when at the CIA) hosted the Russians in 2018 ?

U.S. intelligence officials met with Sergey Naryshkin, the head of Russia’s foreign intelligence agency, known as the SVR

THEY INVITED THEM INTO OUR HOUSE THOUGH HE WAS BARRED FROM ENTERING THE USA

^^Is this what you're talking about?

That was 2017 r150...thats Kislyak, the Russian Ambassador. No this was different...

^^^r158, not r150 ^^^

Oval Office Meeting w/ Sidney "Kraken" Powell, Mike "Martial Law" Flynn & "Dangerous" Donald Trump

What shadiness is this pray tell?

So in today's news, Orange pardons more traitors and AOC says Pelosi and Schumer need to go.

I think handing out pardons is a great way for Ol' Yeti Pubes to run out the remainder of his presidency. Most of them can probably be challenged in court and it'll keep him away from the nuclear football.

WTF was with Orange saying the next Administration MIGHT BE HIS?

And Orange pardons Kush's Daddy as well as Manafort.... because of course he did.

Federal Prosecutors Consider Search Warrants for Giuliani's Emails. Barr Soon Won't Be Able To Help

Donald Trump's Pardon Palooza - What Message Is Trump Sending With His Many Pardons?

From Thursday...

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Why Stone, Manafort, Flynn Could Be Given Grand Jury Subpoenas In Future | Morning Joe | MSNBC

More Treason because all they do is Treason. People need to remember this when he runs in 2024.

Trump's Pardons Might Have Made His Legal Problems So Much Worse

Why is he flying back early from Mar-a-Lago?

He has A LOT of pardons to take care of before he resigns so Pence can pardon him

R172, he’s still trying to overthrow the government.

Reptiles are insulted to know trump looks like one of them.

But he's not. He's just an extremely poor quality human being with far less dignity than your average reptile.

Biden: "Trump Blocking Transition; Hollowed Out Agencies." Time for Fireside Transparency Chats

A little while ago Jim Acosta at CNN put it perfectly about Trump losing the election - "He sounds like he just can't get over this."

I think that's more of an under-understatement, r177.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And the blobs niece, Mary Trump (love her), said basically the same thing. I’ve heard her say that “Donald”, as she calls him, will never get over this loss, because loss in the Trump family is equivalent to a death sentence.

Good. Fuck him. Let him stew and experience psychotic episodes over his deserved loss.

Were getting close folks...Trump is at the White House instead of Mar A Lago...Pence cancelled his trip next week...expect, any day now and maybe even tonight, a flood of mass pardons followed by a resignation...followed almost immediately by a pardon. He has no other way out...at least not alive.

What if he hands the presidency over to Pence and Pence pulls a "gotcha" and refuses to pardon his orange ass.

What happens then?

r181, have you ever seen a heron eat a recently molted soft shelled crab?

That's quite the metaphor, r182. Hilarious.

Another WW for R182!

Senate votes to override Trump's veto on defense bill

Nancy Pelosi's SF house vandalized by fake antifa

[quote]Patriot, statesman & diplomat, John Jay’s foray into counterintelligence began in 1776, when he headed a NY State executive body called the Committee for Detecting and Defeating Conspiracies -- the nation’s first dedicated counterintelligence agency. - NCSC

I think we need to bring back this committee. Maybe we could rename it the Committee for Detecting and Defeating Conspiracy Theories., but we need it now.

That'll be Orange's excuse to Resign. That now even the Republicans aren't doing their jobs to protect the Citizens the way Orange is trying to do! He will say he's resigning because he will not lead a group of traitorous people!

So is Barr gone now? Who took his place?

Rosen

Republican House and Senate Members Will Object to Democracy/Biden's Electoral College Win

I'm so sick of the news reporting this without saying that it is an insane ploy to undermine democracy. Even though it won't go anywhere, they are complicit (as they've been since the fairness doctrine went away and corporations took over news divisions) in this.

R192, Trump called the media "the enemies of the people," and they replied, "Yes, Sir. May we have another?"

Question from the Election thread: When did FCI last post?

R194, I think he last posted in November. My read on FCI--and this is just a guess--is that he was originally a mainstream Republican. All of his gossip came from the Republican side: the horrible internal polling, the potential for Nikki Haley to replace Pence, all that sort of thing. As a result, he may not have any ties to the incoming administration. Obviously, he did not seem connected to the sedition wing (Cruz, Johnson, Graham, etc) of the Republican party, either. Again, it's all just a guess, but, if so, it might explain why he's gone silent.

^^either that, or he's dead.

R195 You’re off the mark there by a lot.

You’re correct I don’t have many connections on the Senate side. I do have a very good connection in the new administration. I’ve said this in the past. I will not and cannot give away information she gives me without her consent. They will not be a leaky vessel like the current administration.

I’ve been posting it’s just I don’t always sign my posts.

You all have a Happy New Year! I’m exhausted by the last 5 weeks.

Glad to see you back, FCI.

What is the GOP "endgame" between now and Biden's swearing in?

R198 Flailing and hoping sticks. They know it’s all futile but they created a monster and must feed it.

FCI, what will the reaction be to today's news on the Hill?

Its DISGUSTING. Not one Congressional Leader has called for them to be removed and referred for prosecution for aiding and abetting Donald Trump through attempted Insurrection and Sedition. By ignoring this behavior it is condoning it for the future. We failed to nip it in the bud and now we have a national problem. They cannot and must not be allowed to hide behind their titles or claim free speech. This is a betrayal of their oaths of office to uphold the Constitution and defend Democracy. This is a betrayal to the United States of America. They are Traitors and need to be treated as such. Both parties are betraying us in these desperate times.

R200 Typical I’m sure. I’ve had no news recently. I’ll reach out to see if this gets the traction it deserves.

Sure, R201. Both parties, completely equal. Uh huh. Can you fuckers be either more subtle with the trolling already. It's getting really boring.

WW R203. I've fucking had it up to top of my spikey hair with bothsiderism. Never, ever again will I stand for that. Not after the lying, cheating, utter disregard for American citizens, sedition, TREASON and KILLING that the GOP has committed as a group of vile thugs over the last 4 years. My tolerance for working across the isle is pretty much a bone dry well these days. I'm done. I have no patience for petty shit from these bottom-feeding fucks EVER AGAIN. Stomp them out as a party, make DC a state, pack the SCOTUS, find a way to crush the electoral college. I want them powerless and OVER.

R203 R104....It has nothing to do with bothsiderism. You may be happy with our elected officials...of both parties ...allowing Sedition on the floors of Congress, but I for one am not. If you think for one second that there is nothing that can be done by Democrats until Trump is out of office, then you need to pay attention harder. This is not about all the shit the Republicans have done...its about all the things the Democrats HAVE NOT DONE. We do not need comments to reporters and on twitter expressing their shock and disappointment...WE NEED ACTION. In case you havent noticed, the Democrats have allowed and tolerated this behavior for 4 YEARS, AND WITH THE EXCEPTION OF iMPEACHMENT...this year...THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO NIP THIS IN THE BUD...THEYVE ALLOWED IT TO FESTER AND GROW. Just look at all the Congressional hearings and the shit shows theyve turned into and not a damn thing done bt the Democratic Chairman to silence the traitors, censure them, or remove them. Its all a shell game until someone develops some balls to quash it. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS...especially when Democracy is at stake.

^^^sorry,^^^ is for r203 r204 ^^^^

[quote]WITH THE EXCEPTION OF iMPEACHMENT...this year...

Which is a PRETTY FUCKING BIG EXCEPTION.

Fool.

Really ???? It should have happened 4 years ago. And I might point out that Trumps impeachment was about a phone call that was uncovered a few months before...NOTHING ABOUT ALL OF HIS OTHER CRIMINAL ACTIVITY....KIDS IN CAGES, BRIBERY, ETC....

Dont act all fucking pious because you dont want to face facts that we are in this mess because of the corrupt GOP and the complicit Democrats who allowed it to go unchallenged. Your may think this is ver in a few weeks, but its just getting started. If a moron like Trump can get away with it, imagine what will happen when another Nixon, Cheney or McConnell gets to the White House.

THERE CAN BE NO EFFECTVE GOVERNMENT IF THERE IS NO ACCOUNTABILTY.

EXCEPT, of course, THERE WAS ACCOUNTABILITY. THE FAT FUKCER WAS IMPEACHED.

Fool.

R209 YOURE AN IDIOT

Ted Lieu and Kathleen Rice call on the FBI to open an investigation into Orange's phone call.

I love Ted Lieu.

Flipped past Fox News last night and those fuckers are so ridiculous. They were of course defending Orange's phone call and blaming the Democrats for it (because of course they were). They defended his actions by saying Dems were being ridiculous because they very well know Orange speaks Stream of Consciousness.

Yes, that was their justification.

Where's Judy Ruliani? Why isn't he on my TV screaming craziness? I miss him.

R211, that's why I love Ted Lieu. He just has no fucks to give.

[quote]Orange speaks Stream of Consciousness.

Trump is conscious? Go know.

Speaking of streams and things of that nature.

A friend of mine told me he's unsure if Orange is just outright crazy or if there's some other tactic like is he working with GA to hammer in that their elections are "safe," so that they can steal the Senate race for Rethugs and claim it wasn't because they've already established it's, "safe."

Of course that goes down a conspiracy theory rabbit hole, but the sad thing is it actually wouldn't surprise me.

People are also saying that there is allegedly some evidence that the plane Melania and Pence uses is scheduled for a flight on 1/19... and people are saying they think Orange and his family are going to run off to Scotland the night before the inauguration.

Again, this is just what people are talking about. I don't believe either of those, "theories," but I think it's just fucked up we are now in a reality where this COULD happen.

From another thread:

CNN and other center and left media outlets are praising Brad Raffensperger, like he's a profile in courage. It bugs me. I don't trust it, (meaning him). He and Georgia Governor Brian Kemp are about as corrupt as they come. I suspect he handed that tape in so they won't suspect him of anything when Perdue and Loeffler narrowly "win" their Senate races. They wouldn't dare question his credibility now, right?

I did not ask about internal polls for GA. Lol

Merrick Garland as AG? Not what I had hoped for.

I think it's fucking fantastic r220.

Garland for AG is poetry.

Any theory that involves strategic thinking on the part of Donald Trump is sure to be totally off base. The man acts reactively and completely on impulse, usually on somebody else's suggestions.

I saw this somewhere earlier...."McConnells chickens have not only come home to roost...they brought the whole damn farm with them"

Holy shit! I hope to have some inside scoop today. Needless to say, this scared the shit outta republicans. Sedition. Insurrection. This is a game changer. One friend said they barely made it past a group of terrorists.

FCI, they'll go back to kissing Trump's ass tomorrow morning.

Jesus Christ, the NYTimes headline:

"Mob Incited By Trump Storms Capitol"

Twitter has locked Orange's Twitter account and have threatened to permanently suspend it if he does not remove tweets excusing the violence.

That mob would have mowed down Cruz, and any other Dump supporter. They did not care.

Hawley is obviously someone to be terrified of in the future.

R226 They already have. Dems must hold them accountable. They’ll need some republican support. Look to Romney to lead. I know. Romney lead? He’s apparently had it. (Join the fucking crowd).

I hope to have the blessing to post my friends accounts of today. They said it was crazier and scarier than reported. Lawmakers seriously almost became hostages. Or casualties. I heard the voicemail one left for her husband- the background noises were terrifying.

Why did Bill Barr resign as Attorney General so suddenly? Hmm. Did he know in advance about today's planned insurrection?

R232 Of course. They all did.

This, folks, is as bad as you can get. I had some foreign friends I worked with message me and say America looks terrible and in shambles. There is no mistaken they know it’s republicans/right wing nuts.

Hey, still, we won the fucking Senate. Huge! Fuck them.

Adam Kinzinger... he can get it.

There's now a new theory going around now that maybe the 25th has already been invoked and they're not saying anything because it was Pence who called in the National Guard, not Orange. Of course this is being fueled because you haven't heard a Peep from Orange since because his accounts have been "suspended."

The people circulating this think it happened and they're not releasing the information because they don't want to have further violence.

I obviously don't believe this but just thought it was funny.

FcI, I'm glad your friends made it out ok.

These useless fucking capitol police were in on it and so was the FBI. They knew. They did NOTHING.

The GOP will continue to feed this monster via Reich wing radio and fux/oann. They don't GAF about anything but holding on to power.

No more kumbaya bullshit. Bring the wrath of God down on these traitors. Expel them, strip them of their pensions and healthcare and throw them in the street.

If we do not terminate this fascist bullshit with extreme prejudice, this shit will just get worse and next time congress won't get so lucky.

These fuckers wanted to take hostages and execute them on TV. That's how serious this shit is and the FBI as well as DHS has known about it for weeks and did nothing.

Not a goddamned thing.

Orange saying there will be a peaceful transfer of power even though he totally disagrees with the results.

[quote]Adam Kinzinger... he can get it.

Why on earth do you think I'd want "it"?

Secret Service contacted one of my friends. He had phone footage.

Today will determine if things go back to normal or we hold them accountable.

I have no hope.

Trump will get away with this just like he does everything else.

i disagree r240 cuz this time some Repugs were affected

Romney probably thinks this the white horse prophecy moment.

Is it, finally, Rafalca's time?

Oats and and an apple in every stall R243.

Rafalca's Time is my favorite 11 o'clock number...

Thanks for making me laugh, ElderLez.

r235, Pence sure looked liked he had just been made president. Let's face it, everyone's life was truly in jeopardy yesterday. We had a domestic 911 event.

What would Putin tell him to do? Tell Trump that it worked and to have his cultist attack their own state capital, I imagine.

Elaine Chao resigning.. really NOW? Two weeks before you get kicked out you're going to resign in protest?

Surely Mitch won't be far behind.

Madame Sin is going to get Mitch indicted.

She left early so no one would notice she is off to visit her Billionaire drug trafficking parents IN CHINA.

Cabinet members are resigning so they don't have to take part in any 25th Amendment decisions. Cowards.

Of course he's considering it

Frankly, they need to challenge all of his pardons.

Just some more crimes against humanity.

I don't really care, do you?

Former Senator John Danforth: Supporting Josh Hawley "the worst mistake I ever made in my life"

Next thread title should be Everyday Treasoning: the Final Treason

I think we may keep going, r256- I don't think the new AG will let it go.

These threads have been a wild ride through future history, and I am glad I fastened my seat belt.

If Mike Pence can be talked into invoking the 25th Amendment, he could be credited with saving this country from Trump. 13 more days is a lot of time for the man who still has the nuclear codes to do something highly destructive, and you know Trump is plotting something.

What is Mike Pence afraid of? Trump already sent his MAGAts after him. And he survived. He can actually take power over Trump and be considered a hero, instead of the weak, ass-licking, sycophantic and most pathetic VP in US history.

Somebody has to talk him into it. US history.

He's afraid of the MOB. At least, as a weak, ass-licking, sycophantic pathetic VP, he won't have to worry about Trumptards attacking mother for the rest of her life.

The mob is already out for Pence (peek at the Parler threads to see he’s enemy number 1) he needs to do the right thing for his legacy and the country, Mother needs to have a word with her man.

I think you are right R261; Pence is going to have a target on his back for the rest of his life no matter what he does.

Well one thing "good" about Pence is he's loyal, but as saying goes: If you lie down with the Devil, you will wake up in hell. He had many, many opportunities to leave

Agree with everything above about Pence being a pusillanimous wimp. Still, I wonder if Mike already has the signed paperwork necessary to initiate the 25th Amendment.

To have legal effect Pence must [italic] deliver [/italic] it to Pelosi and Grassley. Given the rabid base, and Pence being Pence, he likely doesn’t want to do that unless forced.

Nevertheless, knowing that Pence holds the jailer’s keys might be what’s being used to keep tRump on a short leash.

It might also explain why Mike and Donnie have not spoken in the last 36 hours; why Pence’s chief of staff has been barred from the WH; and why Pence is avoiding Pelosi and Schumer’s calls.

[quote]It might also explain why Mike and Donnie have not spoken in the last 36 hours; why Pence’s chief of staff has been barred from the WH; and why Pence is avoiding Pelosi and Schumer’s calls.

Well that and, you know, Drumpf's Attorney tweeting that Mike should be executed.

That might have had a lot to do with it or something!

[quote]Let me see if I have the order:

[quote]Trump fortifies security around the White House

[quote]Installs new loyalists in Pentagon

[quote]Schedules rally on the day of the joint session

[quote]Pentagon weakens security around the Capitol

[quote]He tells the mob to swarm the Capitol

[quote]Goes back to the White House

I had forgotten that we were left to wonder why the barricade went up at the White House.

Trump is in the WH with his cronies working on a self pardon. Heard this on MSNBC earlier.

Violent Attack On U.S. Capitol A Win In Trump's Eyes As Republican Support Holds | Rachel Maddow

Did anyone catch an interview where Clyburn said the terrorists got in the building and went to where his office is looking for him? However, per Clyburn, unless you already know where his office is, it's impossible to find. The only place that lists where his office is went untouched. He's essentially saying it was an inside job. Someone gave them a map.

Twitter finally permanently bans Orangina. They're only 5 years too late.

And of course Ladybugs is back on FOX peddling Hunter Biden conspiracies and saying that the Russia stuff was fake!

r266-Squeeze in- Biden's team blocked from security briefings.

Lawrence: “We Learned Nothing New About Donald Trump This Week” | The Last Word | MSNBC

Donald Trump's Potential Criminal Liability for Inciting a Riot on January 6

Keilar: After everything, Ted Cruz has the gall to say this ...

Why are these threads dead?

FCI did you hear any tea from your source?

R277, I think replies are just spread across a lot of threads right now. Also, DL has been acting wonky.

R279, you’re right. There are so many political threads that I’m trying to catch up on.

R278 Yes and more. I am currently cooperating with law enforcement about a matter I was told about so I don’t know what all I can share. A friend shared something on Twitter and was contacted by law enforcement.

What has come out some and what will come out is how close staff and representatives were almost face to face with this well armed, trained domestic terror group. What I shared previously here is how it appeared some Capitol police had an arrangement that people would not get hurt but they were free to storm offices and chambers of Congress. 3 people I know saw the terrorists as they were fleeing.

Was it just Capitol police who let terrorists know where the heavily fortified and very hard to find Speaker’s office (among others) was? Or was it someone in Congress? hmmmm I will let you wonder what my friends think about the latter. Remember, I cannot share some things (hint hint).

I am beside myself in anger with all of you. DL has done such a great job providing updates on this event. Thank you all.

PS- Fuck Mueller. He let us down.

FCI, Lauren Boebert was directing them, right? I believe someone on Twitter has already posted the receipts.

R282 Hmmmm was she the only one?

No, FCI, she was not. Fat Donnie gave the fucking terrorists maps (which is why the little boy leader was called to visit the WH).

Also, some of the capitol police were giving the terrorists directions ( you can see them on video).

And Mo Brooks.

All of them need to be drawn, quartered and their heads on pikes at BLM plaza.

They just said on NBC News that Trump, Don Jr., Giuliani, etc. will not face charges of insurrection for riling up the crowd before the riot. I'm assuming this is only because this is still Dump's Justice Department and not a final deal, right? In other words, once Biden is sworn in, his Justice Department could then decide to bring charges, correct? It galls me to think they will not face any legal consequences for this.

R285 possible deal?

R295, that statement, R285, is from the current DOJ. Once Biden's is in, they can bring on the charges.

Apple Removes Parler From App Store Over Users' "Threats of Violence and Illegal Activity":

Calling all MAGAts! Need an experienced White House Pardon Attorney? Send your name, address and details of any crime(s) you committed now for a FREE Presidential Pardon!

@WHPardonAttny on Parler

I think Tuberville was involved

Saw that posted on Twitter. Funny thing is you know so many are such morons they've already filled it out.

Biden Getting New Secret Service Over Trump Loyalty Fears

R292 I'd think Trump's Secret Service team would be ready to leave him on the freeway at this point.

r289 -

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Best,

Rosalind

Lincoln Project’s Rick Wilson: Trump’s Life About to Become "A Burning Hell" | Amanpour and Company

Arnold just brought tears to my eyes...

BOOM! U.S. TREASURY SANCTION RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE OPERATIVES BEHIND DISINFORMATION ATTACK AGAINST JOE BIDEN IN 2020 ELECTION; GIULIANI, SEN. JOHNSON, SEN. GRASSLEY IMPLICATED

Grassley!

The Treasury link says nothing about Grassley, Johnson or Ghouliani.

Clint Watts Calls This The ‘Most Stressful Time For The FBI Since 9/11’ | Deadline | MSNBC

Why Arrest Warrants Should Issue for Trump, Don Jr., Rudy & Others for the Jan. 6 US Capitol Riot

Election Official Accuses Giuliani Of Submitting Fraudulent Evidence During Hearing

Pence rules out 25th. Says we need to focus on "transition" instead.

True to McTurtle Fashion, he rejects an emergency session for Impeachment trial.

And R256 thought that the treasons would stop after the 20th. Cute!

Dotard becomes first person in his position to be impeached twice.

You know he's gloating over it!

McConnell Supports Impeachment of Donald Trump, For All The Wrong Reasons. What's Next?

Phil Rucker’s latest...lots of inside gossip. All of it the usual mix of horror and schadenfreude.

When Donald Trump on Wednesday became the first president ever impeached twice, he did so as a leader increasingly isolated, sullen and vengeful.

With less than seven days remaining in his presidency, Trump’s inner circle is shrinking, offices in his White House are emptying, and the president is lashing out at some of those who remain. He is angry that his allies have not mounted a more forceful defense of his incitement of the mob that stormed the Capitol last week, advisers and associates said.

Though Trump has been exceptionally furious with Vice President Pence, his relationship with lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani, one of his most steadfast defenders, is also fracturing, according to people with knowledge of the dynamics between the men.

Trump has instructed aides not to pay Giuliani’s legal fees, two officials said, and has demanded that he personally approve any reimbursements for the expenses Giuliani incurred while traveling on the president’s behalf to challenge election results in key states. They said Trump has privately expressed concern with some of Giuliani’s moves and did not appreciate a demand from Giuliani for $20,000 a day in fees for his work attempting to overturn the election.

As he watched impeachment quickly gain steam, Trump was upset generally that virtually nobody is defending him — including press secretary Kayleigh McEnany, senior adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner, economic adviser Larry Kudlow, national security adviser Robert C. O’Brien and Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, according to a senior administration official.

“The president is pretty wound up,” said the senior administration official, who, like some others interviewed, spoke on the condition of anonymity to be candid. “No one is out there.”

One of Trump’s few confidants these days is Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.), who broke with the president last week over attempts to overturn the election only to be welcomed back in the president’s good graces a couple of days later. Graham traveled to Texas on Tuesday in what was Trump’s last scheduled presidential trip, spending hours with Trump aboard Air Force One talking about impeachment and planning how Trump should spend his final days in office.

“The president has come to grips with it’s over,” Graham said, referring to the election. “That’s tough. He thinks he was cheated, but nothing’s going to change that.”

The president as pariah: Trump faces a torrent of retribution for his role in the Capitol siege Trump asked Graham to lobby fellow senators to acquit him in his eventual impeachment trial, which Graham did from Air Force One as he worked through a list of colleagues to phone. A few senators called Trump aboard the presidential aircraft on Tuesday to notify him of their intent to acquit. During the flight home, Graham said, he tried to calm Trump after Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.), the No. 3 House GOP leader, announced she would vote to impeach.

“I just told him, ‘Listen, Mr. President, there are some people out there who were upset before and are upset now, but I assure you, most Republicans believe impeachment is bad for the country and not necessary and it would do damage to the institution of the presidency itself,” Graham recalled. He said he told Trump, “The people who are calling on impeachment are not representative of the [Republican] conferences.”

Trump told reporters Tuesday that the drive toward impeachment was causing “tremendous anger” and posed a “tremendous danger to our country.”

Although he has shown flashes of anger over his impeachment — and is livid with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) for leaving open the possibility that he might vote to convict — Trump privately has told advisers that he does not believe he will be removed from office before his term expires Jan. 20, according to people familiar with the conversations.

Many of the president’s advisers and outside associates share that mind-set. As one put it, “Whoop-de-do.”

McConnell effectively guaranteed that outcome Wednesday, releasing a schedule after the House impeachment vote that would push a trial until after President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration.

Trump has been more concerned with other actions that could have serious consequences for his post-presidential life, according to people familiar with the president’s concerns. The developments include Twitter and other social media companies suspending his accounts, the PGA of America canceling a golf tournament at one of his properties, and Deutsche Bank announcing it would no longer finance his developments.

Trump carried on with various activities Wednesday. As the House debated his impeachment, Trump issued a statement calling on his supporters to stand down.

“In light of reports of more demonstrations, I urge that there must be NO violence, NO lawbreaking and NO vandalism of any kind,” the statement said. “That is not what I stand for, and it is not what America stands for. I call on ALL Americans to help ease tensions and calm tempers. Thank You.”

Minutes after the House voted to impeach him for a second time, Trump held a private ceremony in the Oval Office to award the National Medal of Arts to country singer Toby Keith, a senior administration official said.

The White House released a video Wednesday evening featuring Trump seated behind the Resolute desk in the Oval Office pleading with supporters not to engage in further violence. “Violence and vandalism have absolutely no place in our country and no place in our movement,” he said.

The gist of the WaPo. I’m happy to post more if it’s pay-walled.

I especially enjoyed the parts about Rudy probably not getting paid and Hope Hicks being MIA.

Thans, R312.

Why Remove Trump Now? A Guide to Trump's Impeachment

Jim Acosta, CNN: White House staffers are stealing shit

Somehow I'm reminded of Supermarket Sweep, r315.

Pence has apparently reached out to Kamala to congratulate her and offer any support she may need.

I'm pretty sure she doesn't need advice on how to be a spineless coward.

Furious Pelosi calls out Capitol riot 'punk'

So this is delicious...

Some of the people that are being charged for their Terrorism are saying they did it because Orange them to.

They're now throwing their Dear Leader under the bus.

Impossible to say how much I love Nancy Pelosi.

That's why I will brook no criticism of her, r320. Where the fuck would we be right now without her?

And she gave us such great optics...

Morbidly obese. That's what they say..

Arrests of "Domestic Terrorists" for Attack on US Capitol. Acting AG Rosen Refuses to Call Them Out

Online far-right movements fracture in wake of Capitol riot:

Defund the GOP

Christian evangelist, Franklin Graham, slams Republicans for taking '30 pieces of silver' from Nancy Pelosi in Trump impeachment 'betrayal'

Tapper: I wish I saw evidence these people had a conscience

Pieces of shit to the very end:

This is a wake up call...

Ex-FBI deputy director: New riot video reminds me of Benghazi

I cannot wait for 12:01 am. Don't let me down, Tish, Queen.

I’m praying for Letitia, too. But I can’t imagine NY will want to share the spotlight with the Senate trial. I imagine she’ll wait at least until the schedule is announced.

Funny, that long list of pardons, and conspicuously missing are his kids, Jared, Giuliani and himself. That means there are secret pardons that havent been publicly released. Until someone gets charged, we wont know if they are pardoned. The bright side ? Trump did not resign...that means he may have pardoned himself...and that will be challenged and lose in court. Trump will remain in the spotlight one way or another.

[quote]That means there are secret pardons that havent been publicly released. Until someone gets charged, we wont know if they are pardoned

No, a pardon doesn't exist unless and until it's made part of the public record.

[quote]Presidential grants are a matter of public record, so immediately after Presidential action, the name of each person granted a pardon or commutation, along with the district they were convicted, year of sentencing, offense, and the date the President granted their request is publicly listed on the Office of the Pardon Attorney website. This information may also be posted on The White House website and included in press releases issued by the Department or The White House.

Yes! Oh happy day!

Maddow just said that they have found out that when Capitol police called the Pentagon to send help, the person that told them No was Flynn's brother.

r336 - Indeed, FCI...

Incorrect, R335.

Pocket Pardons exist.

This came up in 2017.

[quote]In general, pardons are vetted by the Office of the Pardon Attorney in the Justice Department. But the regulations governing that process don’t interfere with or supersede the president’s constitutional authority on this issue, which mentions nothing about needing to notify the public of a pardon.

[quote]If a recipient of a presidential pardon were indicted, the pardon would be revealed during the proceedings. The way a pardon could stay under the radar is if Trump pardons someone before they’ve been charged with a crime. In that case, that person could have a presidential pardon in their pocket to use if they ever do get charged with a crime, but if they aren’t, the public wouldn’t necessarily ever know.

[quote]“Long-term secrecy is not the danger because if authorities ever attempt to file charges or pass a sentence, the pardon would come to light,” Illinois Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi, who introduced the bill to promote transparency in pardons, told TIME in a statement. “The danger we’re facing is that President Trump could sabotage the Special Counsel’s investigation through pardoning his own aides and family members in secret before charges are filed. These pardons could fundamentally derail Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation because key witnesses could feel no obligation to speak to investigators due to the knowledge that President Trump had already shielded them from prosecution.”

r337, that is fascinating. It should all unravel quickly.

All reports before the pardon list came out said there were around 100 pardons. The official list only had around 70 pardons. Those missing 30 pardons are the ones for his family and every "loyal" associate, including himself. I hope he dies slowly and painfully. The motherfucker.

The Biden Justice Department should announce piddling little minor charges against every one of his family members and every associate he's ever said more than five words to tomorrow and see what shakes out. Make them all produce their pardons to get out of whatever the federal equivalent of jaywalking is.

Are these hidden pardons FOIA-able?

Good idea R341

[quote] The Biden Justice Department should announce piddling little minor charges against every one of his family members and every associate he's ever said more than five words to tomorrow and see what shakes out.

Yes, creating fake charges will really help the situation.

Well, here we are. And we never did get to Treason of the Witch.

Surely the pardons have to be for specific things, even if not existing charges, otherwise people could commit murder with impunity.

Blow it out your ass, R343. They've all committed crimes. We've watched them commit those crimes without consequence. Hell, the entirety of the administration, including his shit family, can be brought in on failure to appear charges for all the subpoenas they ignored.

A pocket pardon would have to be recorded SOMEWHERE officially. Otherwise anyone could pull a piece of paper out of their pocket and claim they’ve been pardoned. I would bet if they exist (which I think they don’t) they’re recorded in the Justice Dept and Biden’s administration would know. Otherwise, I think a court would look at the “pardon” and go pfft.

R343, they don’t have to create fake charges. Donnie Jr. will be charged, along with daddy, for that insurrection.

Biden, Harris, 400,000 Flags and Candles on the DC National Mall & the Need for Accountability

No a court would base the pardon on the constitution which only limits them to cases of Impeachment. There's no other requirement needed for it to be "valid," and that includes documentation.

That's what's fucked up about these people... they've spent their entire lives looking for and working every single loop hole, and they get away with it.

Didn't the asshole make a final pardon after he left the WH and sat on the plane to FL?

R344 not so fast. You know their stench will linger for years.

FCI, how are you doing? Hope you and your family are ok. Any scoop on additional charges/investigations coming up for the terrorists and the administration that encouraged them? I'm especially curious about the gun toting congressional tour guide from CO.

R350....There is no way they would allow a self pardon to stand. Seriously. It would contradict the entire constitution. Allowing a self pardon would establish a King. Someone...anyone...can become President and go on a crime spree making Trumps antics seem childish. When he leaves, he pardons his co-conspirators and then himself and it stands ? NOT A CHANCE.

Some of y'all need to learn how the constitution works.

Not a chance?

That's in effect what Orange did, minus the self-pardon, which no one knows if he included in a pocket pardon. Whether or not that stands is yet to be determined... but everything else? He did and got away with.

R350 that was with regard to pocket pardons, not self-pardons, which is still untested.

Can't wait for the Garland confirmation.

R352 Doing well, thank you for asking.

They are very busy on the Hill and many are still speaking with LE about things so info is hard to come by. I do know, personally, that there will be shocking charges when all it out in the open. That would include members of Congress. I *think* it goes deep. As you can see today, republicans are now doubling, tripling and don’t give a fuck now. They are back peddling Ex- Pres Bone Spurs’ culpability for 1/6.

I will not allow them to mess with my happiness for kicking fascism to the trash. I thank the trolls here for tipping us to the next talking points. I just laugh at them. We should just laugh at them. I’ve driven away and been blocked by dozens of right wing nuts, trolls, Q loons. I just tell them how ecstatic I am we have President Biden!

I've been off the board for a week on a Red M lockout., so please forgive me...

LE?

Law Enforcement

Ahhh, I was actually trying to figure out whose initials those were.

Thank you.

But wouldn't that be the FBI?

And then doesn't the FBI turn things over to the DoJ?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

There's a thread, r362...

You bitches needed to keep your mouth shut about Treason of the Witch...

Signs for Ivanka 2024 have popped up in FL.

Ivanka be rainbow high...

FL be FL. Pay it no mind.

Meanwhile, the Q people in meltdown. Bwhahahahahahaha They were duped and duped big. They’ll never admit they were duped at all of it, though. Many of them ruined their lives, relationships, careers for it all, not just the Q part.

My favorite Q theory that popped up yesterday was this:

"Joe Biden is Q! He was Q all along! And now we have to follow him because in order to see the plan through. "

I wish I was making that up but that was an actual talking point in one of their forums.

I want to hear their personal stories of ruin, R366. Every last detail.

QAnon always reminds me of this:

I believe some of the really outlandish stuff must be liberals trolling them. I can imagine them holding a contest to come up with the most outlandish shit that Q will believe. And the Q’ers end up sharing and believing it!

Miss Oily Taint is back!

Yeah, R370, like the one about Joe and Trump having their faces surgically swapped

I had someone tell me about how Orange and Biden were having a "Face Off" moment and that it was done so that Orange could be sworn in and Biden was then going to stand trial at the Impeachment and go to prison for all of his own crimes.

Since they truly believed this I had to questions to ask:

"So why is Biden going along with it again?"

"And what did they do with Orange's extra 80 lbs?"

Crickets to both.

These people really don't bother to think anything through.

If they actually thought, r373, they wouldn't bother to entertain these idiotic theories in the first place.

McConnell wants Schumer to Stick w/the Filibuster, Relinquish Democratic Majority's Power. Really?

[quote] McConnell wants Schumer to Stick w/the Filibuster, Relinquish Democratic Majority's Power. Really?

Would it make more sense for McConnell to give up the filibuster and relinquish Republican minority’s power?

NYT: Trump And DOJ Lawyer Reportedly Plotted To Oust Acting Attorney General | All In | MSNBC

Joe Biden Gets Rid Of Trump's 'Diet Coke Button' On Day One:

You can see a picture of it at R378's link. It looks like a fancy battery operated doorbell you can buy at Home Depot. God, Trump really is just pathetic white trash who just happened to have a rich daddy.

Looking forward to Feb 8

You know Trump is going to testify just to be able to get some attention. He must be dying right now from lack of attention. I wonder how many confessions to other crimes he'll blurt out as his lawyer tries to get him to shut up?

Cawthorn...holy CRAP...

Wow r382, Cawthorn sounds as articulate as his signature. Jest keep regurgitatin' them talking points, son, and you'll do fine. Good for Pam Brown and I hope she is a sign that the media is not going to take this crap from GOP any more. (Fingers crossed.)

We're talking about someone who dropped out of a Bible college, R383. Not exactly a tree of owls.

Marsha Blackburn and Crawdaddy need to go into the Bible selling business together.

Both are academic giants with Marsha having a BA in Home Economics.

Senate Impeach Trial: The Sequel. Here's Why All of the "Jurors" Have Disqualifying Conflicts

I don't understand why people prefer watching videos to reading. R386, you want to sum up what he says or at least give a time marker to the important points so we all don't have to waste eight minutes of our lives?

Oh you poor little thing...

Fuck off, R388. Just because you can't read doesn't mean people should just throw out videos with no indication of where the relevant information is in an almost 10 minute video. Do you really just spend your entire life watching endless videos? Nevermind, that's probably exactly what you do with your life.

Bitch and moan, r389...

So, can't read AND can't write full sentences, huh, R390?

Fine, I'll write in full sentences, r391. I'm not going to do a Reader's Digest condensed version to save you your valuable time. You're either interested in watching a Glenn Kirschner video or you're not. Just don't click on it. Some people like him/them.

R392, you obviously watched it before posting it. The first few minutes is all recap of the first impeachment that we've all heard before. Why don't you just timestamp where to start watching the relevant part? It's not hard.

Anybody here reading or posting this thread? Old news to most of us but some new information has been popping up.

Interesting from Howard Dean:

[quote]A pardon can be reversed if the president who issued the pardon was impeached, according to the 1868 revised edition of A Familiar Exposition of the Constitution of the United States, a popular textbook by Supreme Court Associate Justice Joseph Story.

He should be included in the Treason gang bang, no?

Supreme Court Hands Donald Trump A Massive Victory

I won’t click on r397–beware, it looks like the URL is spam.

Oh, you just keep doing you, r398.

Trump's fate in The Senate is fluid.

At first it looked like he might be convicted.

Then it was looking like he might be acquited.

Now it is unclear again...

R400, the Repugs got what they wanted again. They were able to block the Democrats from moving forward just long enough for people to lose interest. So many Americans are of the type that are easily distracted by shiny objects. The only thing that I can see make it front and center again and, maybe, lead to enough Repugs voting to convict is the Orange Shitstain testifying himself.

The delay was a compromise with both The Republicans and Biden to get other business done.

This trial will be much different than last time. The evidence is stark. There will be witnesses (this is a big deal) and the spectre of a split in the GOP weighs heavy...

Also Trump's legal team may turf out in effectiveness. It isn't even clear who they all are?

Rand Paul's objection to the trial on "constitutionality" was defeated 55-45.

Only 5 GOP accept the trial as constitutional - Collins, Murkowski, Sasse, Romney and Toomey. McTurtle voted with the GOP majority. This tells you everything you need to know about the outcome of the trial itself.

R403 Perhaps.

That was partially a cynical cover vote. It is possible the final vote on conviction will be different.

Remember, these people were THERE and the TARGETS of this attack.

The prosecution is going to play clips of that rally and then of the attack along with the reluctance of orange to stop it or even send in the national guard to end it.

The jury are the victims of this. The best thing the prosecution can do is make them relive it.

Haul in some of insurrectionists to testify that they were summoned by Trumpy himself to storm the Capitol, in exchange for lighter sentences

The Senate trial isn't the last opportunity to hold Trump to account, and if the Republicans once again choose to let him off the hook that's not exactly going to be a shock. But it is important to document Trump's crimes, who stood up to him and who enabled him, and enter them into the official government record.

Also important to get the votes and names.

[quote] Only 5 GOP accept the trial as constitutional - Collins, Murkowski, Sasse, Romney and Toomey.

The five RINOs managed to stick together.

[quote] The Senate trial isn't the last opportunity to hold Trump to account, and if the Republicans once again choose to let him off the hook that's not exactly going to be a shock.

The court system is still functioning and that’s where anyone should bring their charges. Voting to remove someone from office who is no longer in office or barring a 74 year old from running for office in the future is not holding someone accountable. This is just a show trial.

You still don't get it, do you r410 ? Its to set an example so the next Trump thinks twice. The problem is that the GOP enabled so much corruption and illegality that its destined to become the norm. Nothing will change unless they hold those in the GOP who enabled him responsible.

Not sure if there's a thread for post-election developments apart from Trump.

Apparently, Jaime Harrison is DNC Chair now. DL fave Governor of PA Fetterman is throwing his hat into the PA Senate seat ring.

Hi FCI! If you're still out there, please bring us some updates. Thank you.

Here's some thoughts on the Senate Trump hearing.

1. The evidence will be there. But most GOP Senators will NOT convict. And it's not because of the criminal evidence GOP Senators have on Trump (insurrection). But because of the criminal evidence Trump has on GOP (Russian/NRA campaign contributions, Pandemic insider trading).

2. Trump will again hold an acquittal presser. But this time NY State will press charges on Trump's financials. And just like Al Capone, Trump too will go down over illicit loot.

3. But unlike Capone, Trump will rat out the GOP. As those GOP rats are almost as complicit as Trump in their crimes. And Trump the snake will not slither off into his cage alone.

CNN: Q-Cunt Marjorie Green indicated support for executing Pelosi and Obama in 2018 and 2019

R413 Not a lot of info right now. There’s quite a bit of PTSD plus ongoing criminal investigations where some of my friends are witnesses. There’s so much anger on the Dem side.

I’m not sure wtf is going on with republicans. Well, I do. They’ve created an absolute monster. They are revealing themselves as monsters, too. There are no moderate republicans. Let’s get that cleared up. There has been no reflection amongst republicans about 1/6. They’ve resorted to their usual gaslighting to try to move us off the subject. We’ve seen the absolute collapse of a political party right before our eyes. I’ve heard rumblings some non-elected republicans will leave the party for independence hoping enough do so to where the elected ones will, I dunno, be less seditious? How could anybody trust current republicans again?

I’m not hopeful about the Senate. Maybe, maybe, if donors and corps threaten to stop giving money they might get 17 to convict. That sentence is a damning indictment on the gop if there ever was one.

I’m just flipping ecstatic we have Dem control and Biden is off to a great start. I feel light as a feather right now.

R409 RINOs? Why do you say that? They’re terrible people so they are very much republicans.

r415 - Thank you, FCI!

Thank you FCI for replying so quickly.

As I said in R413 unfortunately most GOP Senators will NOT convict Trump. Because of the criminal evidence TRUMP has on the GOP (Pandemic insider trading). As the GOP Congress HATES Trump the GOP is saving its own assets. As the GOP enables the Trump monster to do so.

But the good news is that NY State will nail Trump for financial fraud. While that snake in the grass Trump will bite the GOP rat in the asp.

I'm just glad you are so happy about the Dems being in charge and taking care of business. And it will even be better as more Americans turn away from Trump. Especially with Biden getting so much work done.

[quote]I feel light as a feather right now.

FCI pics please.

Oh, I’m *considering* a run for office. I’m very reluctant but after 1/6, I’m also pretty damn motivated to stop the madness.

The Repugs won't vote to convict Trump. They are his co-conspirators. His guilt is their guilt. Never going to happen.

Keilar: GOP's 20 reasons against impeachment don't hold up

You know we have been thrown off balance for more than 5 yrs. Maybe 12 years, thinking that just because t3ehy call themselves "Republicans" They still adhere and embrace the traditions of a national political party in America. We have made a lot of assumptions and periodically, over the past four years in particular, with the ascendance of Trump, we keep asking "When will the Republicans do this or that or reject this or that?" And they never do. The media does it most of all? They turn up the tensions breathlessly wishing, hoping expecting McConnell or McCarthy or Ryan or WTF ever to "wake up." Long ago I determined that the goal was a corporate police state kind of arrangement. I felt this way ever since Reagan. So now, when we are still in the fight of our lives with the Neo fascists and White Nationalists still posing an existential threat, we are still expecting the Republicans to do the right thing. And out of all the Republicans in Congress, and all the Republicans in the state s, no one or very few have. Maybe 25% if that. So maybe we ought to finally wake up, admit the Republican Party is run by a bunch of extremists and we need to RICO them, investigate them and decertify the RNC. These people want to overthrow our government. Our laws our Constitution mean nothing to them. They aren't that damned scared of Trump! The Media ought to stop giving them a pass. They agree with him. They don't like him. He is coarse and he is a buffoon, but they're all going in the same direction. Ben Sasse, Mitt Romney and the rest of the dissenters need to stop being Accommodationists. Either dissent or don't. . They don't like what they see, then get busy. Let's start kicking some asses. By the way. Where is FCI? Have we heard from him since the election and all this insurrection stuff?

Yes, but you'd have to look upthread.

FCI, is there any gossip on the Hill about WTF is going on with McCarthy visiting Mar A Lago and Trump and Melania opening their offices, etc. Did the Republicans cut a deal with him? He was threatening to start a third party. The paperwork has already been filed in Texas and I think a couple other states. That would kill the Republicans. So maybe they cut a deal, not to vote against him, and to keep working with him so he doesn't turn on them. But he will eventually anyway. He will be backing extremist candidates to primary his "enemies" in the GOP. It's extremely clear to me they're all in it together. If Biden believes he can just show the American people a good job, and help them, and restart the economy and get COVID under control and it will win people over, he is delusional. He doesn't get what's going on. They are attempting a White nationalist take over. Putin is the orchestrator, he's behind it all over the world and he is bitter, angry and pissed off right now. Dangerous. So we are not in the clear and we have to purge them all and get tough. I don't see tough right now. Merrick Garland isn't tough and Christopher Wray is not someone I trust.

I don't think Wray is going to be around for very long, r425.

[quote] Keilar: GOP's 20 reasons against impeachment don't hold up

Did anyone think that CNN wouldn’t be all in for a Trump conviction?

If Trump faces any legal heat over the insurrection (among other things) he will start throwing rethugs involved under the bus without a second thought. They should take this opportunity to thwart him from running again, but they won’t. I suspect the more moderate repubs may splinter off as independents.

[quote]Did anyone think that CNN wouldn’t be all in for a Trump conviction?

Did anyone think that the GOP wouldn’t be all in for a Trump acquittal?

Does anybody think Putin told ex prez he actually won and to fight it with everything he had? I’m saying that is what a I heard. At all. Totally didn’t. I promise.

The Republicans are never going to say "You know what, we made a terrible mistake propping up Trump, he's psycho and a massive crook besides, let's cut him loose now." So let all the Senate Republicans go on record acquitting him on his second impeachment, this time on a charge of something that was documented on multiple live video streams. Let them officially declare themselves the party of psychotic conspiracy theories, genocide, sedition, and terrorism. See how that goes down with the corporations and billionaire donor class.

R430, FCI I totally agree with you about Putin telling Trump to fight. Also aware of the Bitcoin transactions placing more than $500K in the accounts of some of the extremist ringleaders. So, Maybe Putty tells Donnie to fight, while at the same time there's money being directed to pay some of the leaders. As I understood it, the state Republican parties "donors" were the fronts, but there was dark money financing Oath keepers and Proud Boys, and some of the infiltrators inciting violence and vandalism last summer were paid. And these guys are so dedicated to their extremists views they're for sale cheap. I've read a lot about the 60's and 70's and know that a lot of extremists were paid.

Glenn Kirschner:

As Trump Golfs in FL, the only Question is WHEN (not IF) he'll be Criminally Charged for his Crimes

People say Hillary should be prosecuted for her “crimes” and people say Trump should be prosecuted for his “crimes”. At some point people have to specify what the crimes are.

We will have to wait on the Trump crimes until after Garland is AG.

Even with a Republican President, House, Senate and a loaded DoJ, not one criminal charge has been filed against Hillary.

Exactly, r435. I don't think r434 has been paying much attention.

[quote] We will have to wait on the Trump crimes until after Garland is AG.

The AG doesn’t charge people. The U.S. Attorneys do. Also, the AG is not involved in charging state crimes. Trump is now out of office. Where are the charges?

He's going on trial in a week or so. The rest will follow after that trial is concluded.

R434, Trump has committed many financial crimes. He’s also committed crimes while President (obstruction of justice).

No wonder I had you blocked.

r437, Garland needs to find out how many T**** investigations Barr shut down and reopen them, THEN the US Attorneys can indict.

R440 THIS

R420 FCI, what state do you consider running in?

Here's something I've thought about: I was watching them on TV talking about how we need Domestic Terrorism laws because everything we have was always directed at foreign terrorism. But. if the FBI. Department of Justice counter terrorism and the CIA can un cover the threads that connect financing, money, pay offs, and conspiracy, aiding and abetting, encouraging, etc. to foreign actors...like Russians (Putin) Than the Oathkeepers and members of Congress all of them could be charged with crimes and use the foreign terrorist laws.

Someone, I don't remember who, brought up an interesting scenario that could happen re: the Impeachment Trial.

If some of the terrorists testify that they acted in the manner they did because they were told by say Cruz or Hawley, or if they were in any of those meetings, the DC Police could use that testimony to arrest those Senators for their participation.

That would effectively make it so that they can't be on the jury as well.

Doubt it would happen, but one can dream!

[quote] I was watching them on TV talking about how we need Domestic Terrorism laws

People have been saying this since the riots last summer. We need to crack down on these groups across the country. It’s ridiculous how long the lawless marauding has been allowed to continue in Portland.

I may not be remembering this correctly, but I recall that very soon after Dump was elected, he ordered the FBI to stop surveillance and investigation of right-wing terrorist groups. Does anyone else recall something like this?

Yes...he disbanded the Domestic Terrorism unit at DOJ

R442 TX but local races, of course.

The Lincoln Project sues Ruby Julie for defamation

Grey op? Why?

Not Greyed out for me, R450. If it is greyed out it means trolls are trying to flag the thread (as they've done in the past). To counter it, WW the OP..

What in the actual fuck? How is this not being talked about?

In testimony before the House, Capitol Police and DC National Guard officials acknowledged they were aware by January 4 that the protest on the 6th was going to be an issue. They were aware that some of the participants were planning to bring firearms and other weapons and that there was strong potential for violence and that Congress was the target.

Armed with this information, Cheeto's Secretary of Defense, Christpher Miller, issued a memo disarming the DC National Guard. The memo stated that the National Guard was not to arrest, touch, or search any of the Protestors. It also stated that they could not have weapons, body armor, or helmets and they were not allowed to share their resources with the Capitol Police.

It's deep and disgusting!

r449, that is the reason the word *fabulous* was invented.

Butchy Bowers and Debs Barbier, 45's lead attorneys have departed pretrial. Better get hustlin' . . . well, unless Ghouliani wants to step in last minute (please make that happen)

I'm thrilled to witness Ghouliani's demise in real time, in the parking lot across the road from a crematorium and next door to a sex shop.

R455 did they drop Orange or did Orange drop them?

A third lawyer just quit.

"A third attorney, Josh Howard, who was also recently added to Trump's defense team, has also left, I'm told. Trump wanted the attorneys to argue there was mass election fraud and it was stolen from him rather than focus on proposed arguments about constitutionality."

Trump is so bat shit crazy. He listens to no one - I'm fine with that.

Rudy & Sidney Sasquatch will be defending the 🍊💩?

The South Carolina attorneys wanted their money upfront. They did not want to be stiffed by Trump.

Ginni is nasty. Impeach C. Thomas.

FIVE of Trump’s impeachment trial attorneys have now quit. Guess he will be defending himself.

Why is Dump even bothering to put up a defense? He won’t get convicted. Bozo the clown could be his lawyer (hey, Rudy!) and Republicans won’t vote to convict.

Lindsey Graham got those SC attorneys for Trump and Lindsey is suppose to vote?

Trump wants to go in there and claim that the election was stolen from him, which is a round about way of saying that the Capitol attack was justified.

That's going to go over well.

He has like a week and a half until this trial starts. What are the odds that he's already called Mitch and asked for more time! How sad for him that he has no say in any of it. There will be no extension.

WaPo: FBI probe of U.S. Capitol riot finds evidence assault was coordinated:

[quote]did they drop Orange or did Orange drop them?

I'm watching the 10 o'clock news and they just mentioned it. They said according to the AP, the decision "was mutual."

Mutual, I'm sure!

Trump could plead guilty and Republicans would still acquit him.

He has three days to get his act together; his written response to the House’s charge is due on Tuesday.

[quote]He has three days to get his act together; his written response to the House’s charge is due on Tuesday.

Written response?

Gonna nail it!

Glenn Kirschner:

Merrick Garland's Prior Experience Fighting Domestic Terrorism Makes him the Right Choice for AG

Newsweek:

Peter Navarro Predicts Trump 'Gets Elected in a Landslide in 2024'

[quote]"Trump promised he'd be back in some form."

Soylent Green, perhaps?

This should be brought up:

See R452.

Glenn Kirschner:

Why One Word Trump Uses Over & Over Again Supports Criminal Liability For the 1/6 Capitol Attack

'Evidence Is Overwhelming': Trump Impeachment Manager Says He's 'Responsible' For Riot

So I'm reading about this Publix heiress bankrolling the Capitol mob rally, and wonder why her name isn't made into the Right Wing Soros yet?

All these years we hear how Soros is financing caravans, voter fraud, BLM and 'socialists'. When will the press or social media really tie the names of these right wing billionaire Trump backers onto the GOP like albatrosses?

And CNN said tonight that the Florida Governor has made an exclusive deal with Publix to distribute the vaccines only through their pharmacies, and surprise surprise, Publix donated 100K to his PAC. Added to that, poorer areas don't have a Publix so they're at the mercy of mobile units for distribution.

[quote] poorer areas don't have a Publix so they're at the mercy of mobile units for distribution.

Poor, remote areas would have to depend on mobile units no matter what. Belle Glade, for example, is practically outside of civilization. Publix covers where most of the state lives.

R480, either you’re naive or your a deplorable. Publix donates to the governor’s campaign, then gets exclusive rights to distribute the vaccine. What quid pro quo do you not understand?

Glenn Kirschner:

Lindsey Graham Stonewalls Merrick Garland's Confirmation Hearing, & Upcoming Team Justice Projects

Well, now that Dems control the Senate gavels again, stuff should start getting interesting.

Liz Cheney keeps her leadership position. Not enough votes to oust her.

I dislike the fact that they forced me to be glad they weren't able to oust Cheney.

R485 No shit, huh? I've always thought of Liz Cheney as the daughter of Satan, (not that she isn't), but she's Snow White compared to Large Marge. I'd even take her over Ivanka.

Graham needs to keep his intense emotional obsession with Trump out of Judiciary Committee functioning. He is motivated by a warped, romantic obsession which has generated problem after problem for several years.

Hopefully, the people of Wyoming will oust her in 2022 and we can be done with the Cheney family.

R488, I’m for this if she’s replaced by a Democrat, but not if it’s a far right looney Dump/Q-anoner.

THE SQUALID

Literally everybody is laughing at Matt Gaetz after his latest spectacular failure:

^^ What's with Trumpsters and the color orange?

Second-Rate Actor/Failed President Trump RESIGNS from Actors' Union. How Will Hollywood Survive?

PAC pressures GOP senators to convict Trump in upcoming impeachment trial

Trump Donor/Judge McFadden's Track Record; Insurrectionists Vacay in Mexico/Eating Organic Cuisine

r495, instead of shilling for someone’s YouTube account, why don’t you just summarize what was said?

Well, to summarize, r496, Glenn Kirschner, who has 30 years of prosecutorial experience, discusses: Trump Donor/Judge McFadden's Track Record; Insurrectionists Vacay in Mexico/Eating Organic Cuisine. How's that?

FCI, what's the latest? What's the vibe on the impeachment hearings starting tomorrow?

Bump for FCI...

I don’t have a lot of contacts on the Senate side but I will dig. Senate wants to move on. They really think once this trial is over, they can shift the conversation. Not to be too dramatic, but on the House side things are apocalyptic. Dems have lost all trust in republicans and what few “sane” republicans are left aren’t all that sane. It is ugly. They’ve become American ISIS. The radicalization of almost an entire political party in a two party system.

I will dig around to see if I can find any other information.

Thanks FCI!

I seriously doubt the senate is any better, FCI.

They seem to be willfully ignorant and living in terror of the monster that THEY created.

R502 They aren’t. The other side is broken. You see their trolls here. They are divorced from reality. People on the Hill are shaken. I cannot emphasize enough how 1/6 changed people. Their lives were in danger. Their lives were in danger because of our president. We were attacked. Do not ever let the trolls here forget.

It is very difficult to watch this impeachment trial. Watching what these terrorists did to our Capitol. Watching those halls desecrated. I will never again have an ounce of patience for republicans who support our former shitty president or who still shill for republicans when over 90% of that party wants us to move on. They sure didn’t want us to move on after 9/11 because they used it for political power. Let that sink in. Looking back, all the 9/11 pearl clutching by the Right was solely for political power.

Blood

And he's been cleared because of course he never fucking gets held accountable for anything.

Patience. Now he is a private citizen.

This is why the Garland confirmation is so important.

Sorry, I have no faith that Garland, or anyone, is actually going to go after him. Dems view it as the optics being that they're on a witch hunt and need to rise above!

Patience

This will come to be a much bigger drag on republicans than people realize. We may lose the House in ‘22 due to gerrymandering but we can keep the Senate and expand our majority.

What can we do about gerrymandering FCI r510?

R511 Nothing that I know of. We will have to cross our fingers enough swing districts elect Dems like in ‘18. I think republicans have really screwed themselves in the suburbs and with moderates.

We are expected to have blizzard conditions here in Houston Monday. Lows could be close to zero Tuesday morning. High Monday will be only 17, a record. I am hunkering down

You might need to take your muff out of mothballs, FCI.

R513 My muff has been out for awhile. Oh wait.....

Stay toasty FCI, maybe a hot toddy will help.

FCI is worried about moths in his muff? HA! His balls take care of that!

Legislation Authorizing Insurrection Commission Could Come This Week | Morning Joe | MSNBC

How are you doing, FCI?

She's still in a tizzy.

Prom King & Queen of MAGA land:

Killer of exotic animals & his HOney.

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Trump will not like Haley running; particularly so early.

Things are dire here. I’ve lost power with very low water pressure. We have a boil water advisory. 1.4 million have been out of power since Sunday with 400,000 with power on and off. This is freaking ridiculous. I have power for now but the ones who have power are part of the rolling blackouts. Heads on pikes!

Well, I'll start whittling some pikes and FedEx them to you. Wish I could do more.

I need a DLer to keep me warm. Power back on but who knows how long.

That was me^^^

The clown car is still running. Lindzebelle is driving.

Update: Things are returning back to normal in SE Texas. For most people, this was hellish. 99% over people I know lost their power for an extended amount of time. My parents lost their power for over 36 hours. The temp in their house got to 45 degrees. Grocery stores look like disaster zones. There is hardly anything left edible. I’d say 40% of the people I know had their pipes burst. 100% are under a boil water notice. Add to this the vehicle damage, gas shortage, low or no water this doesn’t feel like a first world country. The anger is real. This Abbott blaming a policy that is not even law and Cruz fleeing across the border only add to the anger.

But, FCI, will they all remember the next time they have to pick an R or a D on their ballots?

Cancun Cruz wants to inherit Trump's following, Even they have to be largely repulsed by Lyin' Ted. And Abbott can't take responsibility. And this Gohmert?

Incompetent cultists. Corruption.

Lindsey Graham is having a cozy, but thrilling, weekend in Mar-a-Lago.

Lindsey avoids SC.

U.S. investigating possible ties between Roger Stone, Alex Jones and Capitol rioters:

TX is turning Blue. All recent statewide races are getting closer with each cycle. CancunCruz would not win again in ‘24 with a good opponent. Abbott is in trouble with his reelection. 1/6 changed some minds and I know plenty of republican voters who like what President Biden is doing even if they don’t agree with some of it. One of my old republican staffer friends said, “Damn Biden ain’t playin’” while adding Biden really hit the ground running and his WH is being run very efficiently.

Cruz looks genuinely freaked out so he must’ve heard from some of his hard core donors/supporters that they are out. I’ve never seen him look so chastened.

FCI, any chance Beto might run for governor? God, how I would love that.

I just want to see Abbott, Patrick, and Cruz out on their asses after this.

I’m impressed with Joe’s competence. First time in modern history we elected the less charismatic candidate.

Cheetolini does have rich-man to a poor-man charisma.

Rich people do not find Trump charismatic. They find him transactional.

R537, I agree, but he won the presidency on the backs of those who found him mesmerizing. We never elect someone based in competence, but we did with Joe. Sometimes we get lucky and the charismatic candidate is competent too. (Clinton and Obama obviously)

...and even if George HW wasn’t that charismatic, he was running against Dukakis.

Trump Loses Supreme Court Appeal On Personal, Corporate Tax Returns | Stephanie Ruhle | MSNBC

It will be hilarious if the tax returns show nothing interesting. Granted, it’s guaranteed that the press will create a spectacle since they have given the tax returns the full Capone’s Vaults treatment for several years.

R541...IF there were nothing there, Trump would not have fought it for years and be having a meltdown as I type.

Beto is likely running but he would have a better chance for the more powerful position of Lt Gov against the hated Dan Patrick.

[quote] It will be hilarious if the tax returns show nothing interesting.

We already know, courtesy of the NYT, that he didn’t pay any taxes at all for many years. And when he did pay, it was only $750.

I imagine there’s much more of interest to be found.

Trump fires back at Supreme Court ruling in statement

Glenn Kirschner:

Senate Hearing on Law Enforcement's Response to Capitol Attack; Sen. Ted "Cancun" Cruz's Hypocrisy

I am still troubled by the 2020 election. All those Senate races where the Dem lead all year in every poll, usually by double digits, only to end up losing, usually close to or in double digits? The Former getting so many votes when all the new/early votes were so strong for Dems?

The extreme reaction by republicans by losing the presidency is revealing and telling. “We cheated yet they still won by a lot. We cheated. They won. So, they must have cheated. They had to have cheated. We cheated big. It really was stolen.”

FCI, is anyone in Washington talking about that? Is anything being looked into?

It is being talked about but republicans have taken “it’s stolen” to such an extreme what would it look like if Dems did the same? You see what the republicans did there, right? The presidential polls were far, far more accurate than any senate poll.

I knew back in my Capitol days things were headed to a very bad place. I never realized it would be so terrible so quickly. The good news? We are finally in the game. We know exactly what we are dealing with now. We are fighting back on all fronts. We really need to get to Sinema, Manchin and maybe King. King may end up being a bit of a pain in our sides as well (I finally received some Senate scoop!). We’ll know how things will play out in the Senate within 6 weeks or less. We’ll see exactly where Sinema, Manchin and perhaps King are willing/not willing to do. I don’t understand how they think we can compromise with republicans after all the shit they pulled on us in that very Senate and after 1/6. We must expand out majority in the Senate in ‘22.

Do you mean Kelly, R549?

R550 No, Angus King. Trust me. He looks to be a bigger issue than we realize.

R550 Watch the 60 Minutes interview with him. You will understand what I am saying.

Interesting about 2022. Will it be a Democratic midterm where Democrats lose seats, or will it be a Trump free ballot where Republicans lose seats?

Stay tuned.

What do Sinema, Manchin and King want - more pork for their states?

Okay, FCI. So what can be done about it? Are you aware of Jennifer Cohn, Election Security Advocate? and Allison Greene from Grassroots Speak? Can't someone organize some citizen brigade and demand voting issues be further investigated?

The irony about Dominion, is it's one of the few companies that is completely clean.

[quote] All those Senate races where the Dem lead all year in every poll, usually by double digits, only to end up losing, usually close to or in double digits?

I think most people agree that polling needs a major overall. Some of the polls were so ludicrous before the election. South Carolina is a good example. The notion that Harrison was ever ahead of Graham or even close is ridiculous. The question is open on whether the polling companies were just guilty of malpractice or if they did it intentionally

R556, bullshit. The Graham, Tillis, McConnell, and Collins results were complete bullshit.

FCI, I know that the Repugs trumpeting their delusional crap about the stolen presidential election, etc. has muddied the waters but it seems like there was real cheating in those Senate races. Factual cheating with numbers and everything, unlike the Repug claims. So, couldn't there be legitimate investigations in Russian hacking, etc. I think the Repugs are very, very lucky that Covid is center stage right now. Hopefully once that is more under control, the real investigations into everything can begin. The real problem is going to be that there are about a million Repugs across the country that need to be investigated for numerous crimes. The media, unfortunately, is going to have to stop their bothsideristic bullshit for five minutes or nothing will ever come to light because they'll allow every Repug liar to spew their muddying garbage endlessly in the name of "fairness" even when the Democrats have facts and they have nothing but lies.

I was more concerned about the Ernst, Collins, Tillis (a few more that I can’t think of right now) polls. Graham and McConnell did not surprise me at all.

The presidential polls were also way off in OH, IA, FL and others. I don’t think the polls were that off again. But those Senate polls were soooooo off and broke the gop way in almost every one. It was highly improbable. Some of it can be attributed to republican voters deciding to split the ticket in the prez race and Congress, wanting divided govt. Still, it doesn’t explain the facts about how off the polls were and almost all skewed in the republicans favor.

Republicans Apparently Shocked To Learn Biden Nominee Shares Biden's Views | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

Sen. Ron Johnson Promotes Conspiracy Theory During Hearing | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Slightly OT. The Congressional investigation into 1/6 is confirming just how organized were the militaristic shock troops at the front of the insurrection: grappling hooks, gas, diversionary pipe bombs, the whole nine yards.

I’ll bet that when/if they get to the bottom, it’ll be discovered that TRump’s dear friend, Erik Prince of Blackwater fame, had a hand in prepping the deadly, failed assault.

Along with Trump himself and his cohorts r561....

The "New" Republican Party

Ron Johnson is low intelligence like Turbeville.

Couple that with embracing corruption, yields disturbing characters.

[quote]Ron Johnson, the Senate's Dumbest Republican (we're not ready to relinquish that title to Tuberville yet, sorry), has been showing his ass today. (Evergreen statement, we know!)

[quote]As we all know, this is far from the first time Johnson has read disinformation into the congressional record. It just doesn't appear to have been fed to him by agents of the Kremlin this time, but by the propaganda outlet run by Meghan "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM" McCain's husband.

Putin has worked on cultivating his agents and human assets for a long time. It runs deep in the GQP, and he has ensnared several Republican Senators. Their greed is their Achilles heels. Knowing their sordid sexual activities is part of the dirt collected on some of them.

The ladies truly showed that Ron Johnson really knows how to fill an empty suit.

I was waiting for Meghan to start singing Happy Birthday Mr. President, but she forgot the mole. A tribute to Micky Hargitay?

And Megan forgets that Biden is going after grassroots 60-70-80% Republicans.

So she can bleat all about being a never Trumper and never Democrat but Republican VOTERS like Joe's policies. Fuck da cunt.

Can't wait to see how Hot Psaki does with Meggy tomorrow.

For some reason this ^^^ post showed up on this thread when I was on a different thread.

Sorry.

Manhattan DA office has Trump's tax records, millions of pages of info.

I’m sure they threw everything including the kitchen sink, R569. In no particular order.

Mnuchin Reportedly Blending Final Days In Office Into Personal Moneymaking Venture | Rachel Maddow

Mnuchin needs the $$$ to bankroll his lovely and talented wife's career. I think we can all agree that larceny is acceptable if it pays for works of art such as this:

Meanwhile, at the state level...

We're on a journey.

Sounds like Moses lost in the desert for 40 years.

I wish I could share the strategy going forward republicans and conservatives are going to use to divide us. In the case many of the bad actors here don’t know the narrative and tactics they want to spread, I won’t share them here. It is nothing new but the what they are going to say is.

Mother Jones' Ari Berman:

Breaking: Georgia’s GOP-controlled House passes new voter suppression bill #HB531 cutting weekend voting, restricting mail ballot drop boxes, adding voter ID for mail ballots, giving voters less time to return ballots & dramatically limiting runoff time after Dems won in Nov/Jan.

And now Georgia GOP senate committee has passed bill repealing no-excuse absentee voting, which Republicans wrote & defended until Dems started using.

"The Little Mermaid called and wants her lyric back."

Georgia House Votes To Roll Back Absentee Voting Laws | Morning Joe | MSNBC

So is Biden going to be president after toady? Asking for Q.

LMFAO

What will the new date be when Biden stays president through the day? Or is the Former Guy just wearing a Biden mask?

Rep. Eric Swalwell Sues Trump, Don Jr., Giuliani and Rep. Brooks for 1/6 Attack on the US Capitol

Trump's Children Could End Up In Serious Trouble From New York Investigation

Anyone buying that this is the reason Dump is visiting NY? On other fronts, it seems awfully quiet—no word leaking on anything re Dump indictments.

Trump wouldn't know from a "hood" if I beat him over the head with one.

Nicolle Wallace: The GOP Is Built On A Foundation Of BS

I say Trump was in NYC for a deposition.

I meant to add to r585...a lot of the suits against trump are all going forward now...this is the time that Trump folds...right before the actual trial would start. I hope to God some of them dont settle out of court.

We need the next thread made. I think with Merrick being AG we are going to see some treasoning uncovered.

Has Garland been confirmed?

YES HE HAS

Hooray - Merrick just got confirmed per WaPo 70-30 (great!)

sigh of relief

Let the indictments begin!

One of the biggest bipartisan votes for AG in decades according to NBC.

I really hope Garland isn't a "let's move on" guy. I do expect a lot of things to wait until after the pandemic is more under control. Even though Biden has only been in for two months and everything has been overwhelmed by the pandemic, I feel like we're losing time. Fucking stalling asshole Repugs. Garland's vote should have taken a week.

Garland said his firs personal order, he runs a department of thousands of attorneys doing thousands of investigations, was the 1/6 Trump Treason Day Riot.

Not moving on.

[quote]Prosecutors in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office have discussed using a section of NY criminal procedure law that allows for the extension of the statute of limitations when a defendant has been out of state "continuously,” per ⁦@ KaraScannell

New thread for when this one maxes out:

And...

now...

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