Please continue all things COVID and feel free to actually allow that small glimmer of hope take root.
Coronavirus Megathread 3: There's a Light (Over at the Frankenstein Place)
|by Anonymous||reply 584||Last Thursday at 11:36 AM|
Oh drat, I had a title and pic saved up but I'll use them for Thread 4. Was trying to let the election excitement die down a bit before creating it.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||11/07/2020|
I'm sorry, hon. I thought I was helping. Over in the Election threads, they're always complaining things are moving slowly and asking for new threads.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||11/07/2020|
Not a problem, we have many threads to go.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||11/07/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 4||11/07/2020|
Regarding this post from the prior thread:
[quote]Many vaccines are now coming to the end of their trial phases and are almost ready to seek emergency approval and licensing. So, there's really no need at all for Biden to promise that he'll develop a new vaccine from scratch....
This is something like the fourth time you've made this claim and it's been false every time. BIDEN IS NOT DEVELOPING A NEW VACCINE. Get a grip and learn to read. Biden is promising to allocate money to help manufacture, store, and deliver the vaccine, money that the states have been begging for.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||11/07/2020|
FDA commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb has a rather depressing take on the current situation in the U.S.:
[quote]“Whether or not we need a national lockdown, I think we can deal with this effectively with targeted mitigation on a state-by-state basis, but we're not doing that right now and so we're building up a lot of trouble for the future and I think that this is going to explode in several weeks,” Gottlieb said. “We're going to see these case numbers really start to explode." ...
[quote]“We're probably at best diagnosing one in five cases right now, maybe a little bit less than that. So this is at least a half a million cases a day, probably more in terms of actual numbers of infections, and it's spread across the United States right now.” ...
[quote]“We're building up a lot of trouble for the future,” he said. “You have to be really worried what January is going to look like, what December is going to look like right now given the way this is rising. ...
[quote]“It's not just the cases, it's the hospitalizations as well. That's really the number to watch, 53,000 people hospitalized, 10,500 people in ICUs. That's a lot and it's growing very quickly.”
|by Anonymous||reply 6||11/07/2020|
El Paso is in a bad way, with hospitals at capacity and the pandemic out of control, so El Paso County Judge Ricardo Samaniego (the County Executive) earlier this week placed the area on lockdown. The state of Texas filed suit to block the shutdown, claiming that it violated Texas Governor Abbott's executive order. Texas District Court Judge Bill Moody has now ruled against the state.
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has vowed to appeal to the Eighth Circuit Court. The statement from him is just beyond belief: "Judge Samaniego’s unlawful order blatantly violates Gov. Abbott’s executive order. This oppression of the El Paso community must end."
So apparently, Paxton is fine with letting the virus rage unchecked and kill a ton of people and that is somehow preferable to the "oppression" of bringing the virus under control by shutting down for a couple of weeks. These people are genuine sociopaths.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||11/07/2020|
thank you OP!
|by Anonymous||reply 8||11/07/2020|
Kudos to OP for keeping consistent with the tradition of a movie or music-related theme. It feels more seamless that way.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||11/07/2020|
I am of course overjoyed that Trumptard got fired today and Biden won. I love celebrating. But there are large crowds of people in many major cities celebrating in the streets, very close together. I do see lots of masks but people need to remember we are in the midst of a rapid surge of cases in this pandemic. I'm hoping Biden will thank people for their support and enthusiasm and ask them to please go home and celebrate there safely for now. There will be a time we can enjoy happy times again in big groups but we're not there yet.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||11/07/2020|
I managed to buy 2 lysol spray today. I went home and then found out it isn't the lysol that kills the covid in 2 min. but it's on EPA's List N that meet either the EPA Viral Emerging Pathogen Policy or have other coronavirus claims according to Lysol's website.
I got excited for nothing.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||11/07/2020|
A know Biden is going to take a pro-active approach to slow the spread of the virus but he has his work cut out for him given the current levels of transmission and that that cunt Trump will only try to make things even worse over the next two months.
Really, how can the US and Europe for that matter get this fucking thing under control. It takes a lot more than just using masks and social distancing......??????
And now comparisons with Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan or South Korean please. They are either remote and/or cut-off from other countries giving them huge advantages. Also, know of them have ever experienced transmission levels anywhere near that of the US/Europe.
Melbournes peak was just over 700 one day and the city was in lockdown for 111 days! I can't see that happening in the US/Europe.
Side note: Finland appears to be the only country in Europe that has contained the virus to good degree - but like Oz, NS, SK & Taiwan is remote enough to have advantages to do it.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||11/07/2020|
R12 for starters people need to stop gathering in large crowds. And ignore anything Trump has ever said. People should listen to public health officials and follow their recommendations. Social distancing, no crowds, masks, wash hands, quarantine for 2 weeks if someone you've been around contracts the virus, etc. People know what needs to be done while the work to develop treatments and vaccine continue. Sadly, far too many just do whatever the fuck they want and here we are.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||11/07/2020|
I posted this in another thread but here it is again. My 91 year old mother broke her hip and is in a rehab/nursing home with my 65 year old brother who has lupus, kidney failure and heart disease. Both of them tested positive for coronavirus last week, they share the same room.
It is believed my brother contracted the virus going to dialysis 3 times a week. Anyway on a conference call with their nurses I asked what my mom and brother's symptoms are and the nurses said they are just fatigued and my mom has a sore throat.
I asked about the likelihood of them developing severe symptoms and the nurses said they have patients with much worse health who test positive for covid-19 and fully recover. The nurses said the severity of the infection is tied to the viral load the patient received. They gave the example of getting coughed on fully in the face by an infected person compared to everyone in the facility wearing masks at all times and reducing the viral load that is being released.
No one in the facility has died of covid-19, masks work. My brother and mother share the same room. Her birthday was 11/6, she was due to be released on her birthday but it looks like it will be another three weeks.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||11/07/2020|
This article is so good and really brings home some of what is going on right now with the virus and how we are managing. Below is just one excerpt.
“The impact of lockdown on people’s incomes and mental health, and the fact that many older or at-risk people have been in self-imposed isolation for the best part of the year, are somewhat neglected by the position that lockdowns are the best strategy for overall public health.
This is compounded by the wretched inequality of lockdowns. Most of the academics I interviewed refuted the idea that supporting lockdowns is in any way progressive, despite the fact that this position has been portrayed as a counterpoint to that of right-wing libertarians. Baral says that lockdowns are “absolutely an intervention only benefiting the rich”. He points out that they are only comfortable for people who can work at home, and that have spacious houses and the means to order in food and entertainment. “That the people who advocate for very strong suppression measures – that actually only benefit people who are financially well off – think of themselves as progressive is quite amusing,” comments Balloux.
Baral calls lockdowns “unbelievably unjust”, citing the fact that in some states in the US private schools have remained open while public schools are closed. That using various stages of lockdown has become the de facto way of tackling coronavirus in the UK and western Europe could speak to the way that class interests direct the prevailing narrative.
“ And while people decry herd immunity as junk science, those on the other side of the divide say the evidence for lockdowns is patchy too. The major European countries with the highest mortality rate per 100,000 people so far are Belgium, Spain, the UK, and Italy. All instituted harsh lockdowns, yet still recorded the highest death rates in Europe. Lockdown advocates will point out that Sweden, which had no mandatory lockdown, came in fifth for population fatality rate among major European countries. But other countries such as Japan and Belarus that didn’t implement mandatory lockdowns have recorded significantly lower fatality rates. A study published in the Lancet’s EClinical Medicine found no relationship between full lockdowns and lower Covid-19 mortality. Put simply, the argument that lockdowns are an effective protective measure is not based on irrefutable empiricism either.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||11/07/2020|
What a load of horseshit, R15.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||11/07/2020|
R14 Very interesting. I have read that viral load can have an impact and it is one of the reasons so many healthcare workers in the first wave of the pandemic died as they lacked sufficient PPE.
Hope your mum and brother are feeling better.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||11/08/2020|
R15 if it had been discovered that some people were for sure going to have no symptoms, that they would then clear the virus entirely and that re-infection was impossible I would be the first person endorsing large scale infection (under quarantine) of that population as a way to protect everyone else. I posted about it months ago in fact. Guess what? None of that is the case. We can’t yet predict disease severity, long haul symptoms are common, there are more and more cases of MIS (-a and -c) popping up and re-infection is, sadly, a real thing.
Politics and science just don’t mix whatever your political affiliation is. As a huge Bloomsbury fan it kills me to say anything bad about the New Statesmen. But then again they merged with Marxism Today 30 years ago and that article reminds me of the Marxist scientists’ critique of Darwinism that have rise to planting summer wheat in Ukraine during the winter; beguiling, but deadly.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||11/08/2020|
R5, the biotech companies don't need money for manufacturing a vaccine, they already have advance orders for 100s of billions of orders. Storage and distribution are all very well and good, but the real problem will be working out who gets the vaccine and when.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||11/08/2020|
[quote]The major European countries with the highest mortality rate per 100,000 people so far are Belgium, Spain, the UK, and Italy. All instituted harsh lockdowns, yet still recorded the highest death rates in Europe.
Because they instituted their lockdowns when it was far too late and even then and in the non-lockdown phase in the summer and now with new locdowns, people are not following social distancing rules and I'm pretty sure the authorities know it but can't do much about it.
Belgium, Spain, etc. are actually proof that the natural herd immunity theory doesn't work - given how high their infection rate it, surely they should have reached this herd immunity by now, buy they haven't, because it's a shit idea.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||11/08/2020|
Fuck, now they're demanding people wear masks in my little shitty town here in Norway. You know it's bad when the town sends out a text message to all inhabitants ordering them to use masks on public transportation and in grocery stores. I thought it was just Oslo ans Bergen but guess it's here too now. I know we've had an uptick in cases the last few weeks, but I had no idea it was this bad. Guess I have to buy masks now :(
|by Anonymous||reply 21||11/08/2020|
I'm experiencing mild Covid symptoms so I'm self-quarantining my ass. My state department of health offers the option of using a home testing kit rather than having to get in my car and wait in a line to get my sinuses swabbed, which I'm really not up to. I got the kit yesterday but I can't use it till tomorrow, because the sample has to be overnighted to the lab and Fedex shuts down its overnight service from Saturday afternoon until Monday morning. Since the test only detects active infections, even if I have been sick I might be well enough to test negative by then. Anyone who says they're overcounting cases of Covid needs to be threatened with drowning in a sack until they shut up. This HAS to be more widespread than the official numbers.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||11/08/2020|
R22 Best of luck.
R21 You've had all this time and don't own any masks yet?!
Myself, I have dental and doctor appointments this week and really don't want to go to either. We had nearly 300 cases (10.5% positive) here yesterday, which is the highest I've ever seen in this county. There was an assumption that the Governor and the county were holding off on imposing new restrictions because they didn't want to influence the election outcome, but so much for that theory...they're still doing fuck all.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||11/08/2020|
[quote]Storage and distribution are all very well and good, but the real problem will be working out who gets the vaccine and when.
You still aren't getting it. If you cannot store and deliver the vaccine, which will require about $25 billion to do safely and effectively, which is what Biden is proposing, then it doesn't matter "who gets the vaccine and when" because nobody will get it.
Is any of this sinking in? I'm absolutely baffled by your complete lack of understanding and your unwillingness to acknowledge that what Biden is proposing is both necessary and appropriate. Why are you spending so much time arguing about something so completely non-controversial, that both Democrats and Republicans alike agree on?
|by Anonymous||reply 24||11/08/2020|
[quote]Storage and distribution are all very well
but what are we gonna do about the Italian?
|by Anonymous||reply 25||11/08/2020|
The article posted in R15 is just nuts and is just one more example of the problem with our news media these days. They're so eager to do "shape of earth: views differ" reporting that they completely ignore whether the "both sides" they are reporting on are equally valid. For example, this paragraph from the article:
[quote]However, a number of scientists came out in strong opposition to the GBD – disputing some of its claims about coronavirus, and saying that shielding the elderly and vulnerable wasn’t feasible. Most public health organisations, including the World Health Organisation (WHO), and governments including the UK’s, decided not to adopt the recommendations of the GBD.
That's it: that's the entire extend of the debunking that the Great Barrington Declaration receives. Instead, the article notes that:
[quote]For swimming against the tide, Gupta and others who share her perspective have encountered substantial criticism.
Well, duh ... of course Gupta has "encountered substantial criticism." That's what you get for pushing pernicious nonsense. This is virtually identical to all too much reporting we've seen on climate change, where the 1% who disagree are given equal weight with the 99% who agree. It's the same here, with this article giving equal weight to the 1% who have signed the GBD vs. the 99% who agree that their approach is basically wholly unrealistic horseshit and not based on sound science. The article gets even worse, though, with shit like this:
[quote]And while people decry herd immunity as junk science, those on the other side of the divide say the evidence for lockdowns is patchy too. The major European countries with the highest mortality rate per 100,000 people so far are Belgium, Spain, the UK, and Italy. All instituted harsh lockdowns, yet still recorded the highest death rates in Europe.
There are so many problems with that statement I don't even know where to begin. It's laughable just how bad this is, or it would be if it didn't have such dire consequences. It's the same shit throughout the entire article. Ridiculous nonsense is being portrayed as [paraphrasing] "brave scientists bucking the trend and fighting for truth." It's absolutely maddening.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||11/08/2020|
Another White House super-spreader event, apparently, as seven people in the White House and Trump campaign have now tested positive for the virus in the latest outbreak: Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff, five other White House aides, and a Trump campaign adviser.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||11/08/2020|
Is it too much to ask that at least one of them die r27?
|by Anonymous||reply 28||11/08/2020|
What makes me angry is that a lot of the misery of lock downs is avoidable.
For instance is the United States anyone who mas making less that $100,000 per year 2/1/2020 and has been unemployed since March 2020 should get $2,000 per month, similar to what Canada did. The government could partner with Amazon and Netflix, who have never made so much money and should give back, to provide free Firesticks, Netflix accounts, Kindles and Kindle unlimited subscriptions upon request to these people.
People on Social Security receiving less that $2,500 per month should also be able to request the above items plus Wi-Fi and tablets.
Network TV should run segments on how to use Skype and Zoom.
Library staff can hold Chat & Chew Zoom meet-ups that will appeal to people who are elderly or live alone; memories of the sock-hop, favorite Danielle Steele novels, which Star Trek is best.
Parks could have low density seniors only hours.
Then when a vaccine is available people will lose benefits immediately if they don't take it and keep benefits for a bonus three months if they do.
And that's just my random thoughts. Imagine if really smart people in a decent administration were given the authority and tools to come up with a well vetted plan and carry it out.
Thinking of the New Statesman and going back to John Maynard Keynes vs. the Marxists. Extreme Capitalists and Marxists have a lot in common in terms of what they want to occur. Of course for extreme capitalists they think the proletariat will be endlessly oppressable by the captains of industry and Marxists want the captains of industry to continue to oppress them so eventually the proletariat rises up and completely overthrows the system. Both groups have a vested interest in keeping people miserable.
Best wishes to R22 and R23/Sylvia. And R26 that was brilliant.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||11/08/2020|
Oy I realize what I said above wasn’t well phrased. I don’t mean Keynes was an extreme capitalist. He was a liberal capitalist. He stand in opposition to both extremes.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||11/08/2020|
NOOOOOO. Got a text from my boss. Home office from tomorrow. FML. Ugh :(
|by Anonymous||reply 31||11/08/2020|
It's getting bad here in Norway. My town is red now. Lots of cases these past few days. My town isn't even that big, 35k people live here. I get why they implement home office, but I still hate it.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||11/08/2020|
You're not getting it r24. Even if Biden committed $25 trillion to manufacturing, distributing and storing a vaccine that would still not resolve the problems associated with the coronavirus because they are so complex and the virus is out of control in the US not just because of Trump. Yes, partly because of him but also a lot to do with things like everyone celebrating his fall out on the streets yesterday.
I'm not from the US so I don't see the American situation in the politicised way you do, but my country is on its second national lockdown and our government has thrown unending supplies of money at trying to get it under control.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||11/08/2020|
Try and optimize as quickly as possible R32. I put off getting a proper chair and really hurt my back. And I wasted hours and hours before I got a second screen.
I do really miss the office still.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||11/08/2020|
I don’t understand at all why people feel the need to go to unnecessary places. There are very few things one cannot get delivered or other business one cannot conduct online. I understand why many NYers might be getting claustrophobic, especially in share situations that only worked previously because the roommates were rarely home at the same time. But this weird compulsion some people seem to have to go out to places they have no need to go to, risking their own health, that of everyone they encounter and those in their immediate circles completely confounds me.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||11/08/2020|
Fun fact: "herd immunist" Sunetra Gupta is the ex-wife of Prof Adrian Hill, director of the Oxford University research institute that is developing the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine. I'd bet that their personal beef with each other is part of what's pushing them to be such forceful advocates of opposing methods for how to control the virus (Hill is desperate to have the Oxford vaccine registered first in the world and has been making all sorts of wild claims about when it will be ready).
|by Anonymous||reply 36||11/08/2020|
[quote]You're not getting it R24.
Yeah, actually, I am, as you keep trying to move those goalposts to avoid admitting that you got it badly wrong when you said that Biden was developing his own vaccine and that you thought the money he was setting aside was pointless.
[quote]Even if Biden committed $25 trillion to manufacturing, distributing and storing a vaccine that would still not resolve the problems associated with the coronavirus
Actually, yeah, it would. That's what vaccines do. I have no idea why you're pretending otherwise.
[quote]I'm not from the US so I don't see the American situation in the politicised way you do
And yet, somehow, you aren't able to identify anything in my posts that is in any way "politicised."
[quote]but my country is on its second national lockdown and our government has thrown unending supplies of money at trying to get it under control.
Which has absolutely nothing at all to do with anything we're discussing.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||11/08/2020|
R37, in my very first email I made lots of points about Biden, not just one erroneous one about developing a vaccine. The sum of all of my points being that Biden is going to have a very hard time dealing with the virus, much harder than you appear willing to accept, and the proposals he presents on his website aren't going to work unless he gets really tough about seriously restricting the activities of the American people.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||11/08/2020|
[quote]Hill is desperate to have the Oxford vaccine registered first in the world and has been making all sorts of wild claims about when it will be ready.
Fun fact: making up shit usually doesn't work very well here. The Oxford/AstraZeneca trials have been going well and remain on track. From the linked article:
[quote]Prof Hill, who founded the University of Oxford's Jenner Institute, admitted that timing was tight to get the vaccine out before Christmas, but stressed it was still a possibility.
That's a single "claim," not "all sorts of wild claims," and the claim is not particularly "wild," as Hill has hedged his comments appropriately.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||11/08/2020|
[quote]in my very first email I made lots of points about Biden
Yeah, you did, and not one was correct or backed up by anything resembling actual data. Your claims in your original post were downright silly, with examples like:
[quote]Why would every American even need to be vaccinated with this imagined vaccine?
[quote]Biden's proposals don't say anything aside from "I'm going to make everything available just like that!"
Your post, after reviewing Biden's proposals, was seriously among the most uneducated responses I've seen and your replies since haven't been any better. You genuinely have no idea what you're talking about and you appear to be just randomly making up shit, like "most of [Biden's proposals] are adolescent nonsense."
|by Anonymous||reply 40||11/08/2020|
Anyway, I'm done with you as this discussion is pointless. You're clearly not capable of learning and I've taking up too much of this thread. So, back on topic, here's a few posts about the virus.
[quote]Officials in Fitchburg, Mass., said that a cluster of over 200 coronavirus infections had been linked to multiple gatherings in a local Pentecostal church in mid-October, causing a wider fallout throughout the area
The church, apparently, doesn't like its shortcomings being exposed and has lashed out in response:
[quote]“Their statements were hurtful, irresponsible and not reflective of the spirit of cooperation that has been the relationship between the city and Crossroads for years,” the church said in an unsigned post on Facebook. “Attributing the Covid outbreak within the City of Fitchburg to Crossroads Community Church is unfair and a distortion of the facts.”
|by Anonymous||reply 41||11/08/2020|
The virus is still out of control in the upper Midwest but it appears to be moving south, into Illinois.
[quote]Illinois emerged as the new epicentre in the Midwest, with the state reporting over 60,000 COVID-19 infections in the last seven days, the highest in the country, according to Reuters data. The state reported more than 12,454 new cases on Saturday, [its] highest single-day number so far.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||11/08/2020|
Renae Moch, the public health director for the city of Bismarck and Burleigh County in North Dakota has a gut-wrenching op-ed on the spread of the virus in North Dakota. Some excerpts:
[quote]When the virus swept across the United States in March, North Dakota was one of only seven states that did not issue a stay-at-home order. Residents initially followed mitigation measures, but as businesses reopened and life returned to normal, adherence relaxed — and resentment surged. The cut-out hearts in windows and the “we’re all in this together” mentality gave way to social media posts, email messages and phone calls where I was accused of being a tyrant, a socialist, a Nazi — of lying about covid-19’s dangers to instill fear and of taking away people’s personal freedom. ...
[quote]Covid-19 has invaded long-term care facilities, even with robust weekly testing. Social gatherings have taken place without precautions. Weddings with hundreds of guests, no masks, no socially distanced seating, self-serve buffet lines and packed dance floors have occurred regularly and resulted in large outbreaks.
[quote]The virus is everywhere, affecting every profession and demographic. We see high case counts among health-care workers, in congregate living facilities and among hospitality workers — but the outbreak isn’t limited to these occupations. Entire offices that do not have prevention protocols in place are being wiped out by the virus.
[quote]Contact tracers have become overwhelmed. The North Dakota Department of Health recently announced the discontinuation of contact tracing, asking people who test positive to reach out to their own close contacts to notify them to quarantine. This change has likely added to covid-19’s spread across the state. ...
[quote]Astonishingly, there are still no statewide mitigation measures being enforced in North Dakota, leaving the task of stopping covid’s spread to local leaders. After a grueling six-hour meeting last week, the Bismarck City Commission voted 3 to 2 to approve a “pandemic mitigation strategy” requiring masks in public places and limiting social gatherings. The catch: There is no penalty for non-compliance. So while this is a step in the right direction, it won’t be enough to curb the contagion.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||11/08/2020|
So North Dakota is just now, in November, coming up with a pandemic mitigation strategy....yikes!
|by Anonymous||reply 44||11/08/2020|
It's worse than that, R44. The state, the hardest-hit in the nation for weeks now, *still* isn't coming up with any strategy, other than asking people to be more responsible, which leaves it up to local communities like Bismarck, and there is a limit as to just how much they can accomplish on their own.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||11/08/2020|
By North Dakota's own reckoning, the majority of the state's counties are high risk. None are low risk or "new normal." Cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are all up, and all the governor has to offer are some "Smart Restart Protocols" that no individual or business in the state is required to follow.
Meanwhile, Governor Doug Burgum easily won reelection, winning 69% of the vote and all but 2 counties in the state.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||11/08/2020|
The U.K. bans travelers from Denmark following an outbreak of a rare mutation of Covid-19 in the Nordic country’s mink farms, in a sign of how quickly the situation is escalating.
Danish health officials say they know of 12 people infected with the new virus. On Friday, local media reported that over 200 people have contracted various forms of coronavirus mutations stemming from mink, 14 of whom were outside the region in which it originated.
People who have contracted the new form of the virus don’t appear to be suffering more severe symptoms, according to Danish health officials. The virus was probably transmitted to the mink from humans, and then back again.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||11/08/2020|
Such a nice plump frame, r25.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||11/08/2020|
R26 it’s clear you didn’t read the whole article. It’s not just Gupta. Many scientists, doctors are afraid to speak out or ask questions. Differing views are Being censured and shut down instead of discussed. This is not science! This is akin to religion, and dogmatic thinking. This is a novel virus, the science is evolving and changing. The science is in no way settled and we should not be shutting down discourse because one political side or the other has promoted or spoke on a particular aspect.
“ Gabriela Gomes, a maths and statistics professor at Strathclyde University who specialises in the mathematical modelling of infectious disease dynamics and epidemiology, has encountered similar difficulties.
In early August, she wrote on Twitter that her team’s paper estimating relatively low herd immunity thresholds was rejected by a number of journals. The main reason given, she says, was that: “Given the implications for public health, it is appropriate to hold claims around the herd immunity threshold to a very high evidence bar, as these would be interpreted to justify relaxation of interventions, potentially placing people at risk." Gomes wrote at the time: “This is the very sad reason for the absence of more optimistic projections on the development of this pandemic in the scientific literature."
At present, scientists are struggling to publish a randomised control study in Denmark that examined the population effects of wearing masks. While there is some evidence that masks could work, this is mostly based on laboratory or observational studies. Thomas Benfield, a clinical researcher at the University of Copenhagen and one of the lead investigators on the mask study, has refused to share the results, but has said that it will be published “as soon as a journal is brave enough”. This has led many to conclude that the results demonstrate a lack of evidence for mask wearing and that is why the team is encountering difficulty in getting the study published.
The effect of politicisation can happen in reverse too. In June, The Lancet was forced to retract a flawed study suggesting hydroxychloroquine was dangerous. Critics believe one of the reasons the material was rushed out was because they appeared to rebuke the position of Donald Trump, who spoke in support of hydroxychloroquine as a possible treatment for Covid. ”
|by Anonymous||reply 49||11/08/2020|
R41, I'm looking forward to seeing how President Biden shuts down gatherings of Pentecostal churches, since they're known to be events where the virus can spread.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||11/08/2020|
R39, apparently you're unaware that back here in the UK Prof Hill has been making all sorts of amazing claims about his institute's purported vaccine. Here's Prof Hill telling us back in April that he'll have a million doses ready by September and 100s of millions of doses by the end of the year. And that's just for the UK - except there's nothing so far.
[quote]"The aim is to have at least a million doses by about September, once you know the vaccine efficacy results and then move even faster from there," said Prof Adrian Hill, who runs the Jenner Institute at Oxford.
[quote]"It's pretty clear the world is going to need hundreds of millions of doses, ideally by the end of this year, to end this pandemic, to lead us out of lockdown.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||11/08/2020|
R39, here's Prof Hill reassuring us that "billions of doses" of his as yet unevaluated, unapproved and unlicensed vaccine are currently being produced and - joy! - medics and the elderly will be able to get it by Christmas.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||11/08/2020|
My municipality texted me, saying I need to wear a mask if I use public transportation or when I shop for groceries if the store is crowded. I haven't even bought masks yet because I didn't think I would need them. fml
|by Anonymous||reply 53||11/08/2020|
You need 'em. Buy 'em. Use 'em.
Be prepared to go through a few before you find one that is comfortable, fits and is effective.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||11/08/2020|
Swedes ignore their first-ever lockdown as country sees record number of new Covid infections with people continuing to cram onto buses and throw dinner parties despite restrictions
|by Anonymous||reply 55||11/08/2020|
When can we expect a widely distributed vaccine? Sorry if this has been posted already, hard to keep up.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||11/08/2020|
R56 Hopefully by the middle of next year. All those talking about one around Christmas are talking through their arses and to be truthful I don't expect anything safe and effective towards the end of 2021 - if we are lucky.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||11/08/2020|
In the US If Pfizer pans, out March 2021 for elderly and health care workers. All year to get to everyone else.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||11/08/2020|
OP I love that song!
|by Anonymous||reply 59||11/08/2020|
New three digit states (new daily infections per 100K): Iowa, 103. Wisconsin: 100.
North Dakota: 176. South Dakota: 134.
Maryland: 18 (and rising, too).
|by Anonymous||reply 60||11/08/2020|
[quote]For instance is the United States anyone who mas making less that $100,000 per year 2/1/2020 and has been unemployed since March 2020 should get $2,000 per month, similar to what Canada did. The government could partner with Amazon and Netflix, who have never made so much money and should give back, to provide free Firesticks, Netflix accounts, Kindles and Kindle unlimited subscriptions upon request to these people.
So, you want the 30 hr/week grocery store cashier who makes minimum wage with no benefits to keep going to work every day and risking her life while other people just get handed money and free stuff? Nothing like punishing the lowest paid essential workers! They'd have to do something like this for everyone making under $75,000 whether they are still working or not to make if feasible and then give those still going to work hazard pay, too.
[quote]...the virus is out of control in the US not just because of Trump. Yes, partly because of him but also a lot to do with things like everyone celebrating his fall out on the streets yesterday.
You are so full of shit. I literally saw two people in all those thousands of people who weren't wearing masks. Meanwhile, there was not one mask on any of the unwashed, armed assholes that dragged themselves out of their trailer parks to yell nonsense at tv reporters.
As for the numbers someone mentioned in Illinois, it's fucking horrible because we are surrounded on all fucking sides by some of the most irresponsible states in the country. It's really Cook County that is the only blue part of the state. The rest is hickabilly or Repug.
But, also, those new higher numbers that started being reported Friday in Illinois (the first time we hit 10,000) now include "probable" cases. So, basically, I think we are still at about the same number of cases, they are just being reported now because before it was just test-confirmed cases. The numbers now include epidemiologically likely cases (which I assume means you are untested but you have symptoms and were in contact with someone who had it) and positive antigen cases. So, while bad, it's not as steep a curve upward as it seems. Most likely we've been at this level for a while but the numbers were not reflecting that reality.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||11/08/2020|
NY’s positive-test rate for COVID-19 hits highest level in five months New York’s positive-test rate for COVID-19 hit 2.35 percent Saturday — the state’s highest level in more than five months.
There were 145,642 tests reported performed in New York for the day, and out of them, 3,428 came back positive, or 2.35 percent, Gov. Andrew Cuomo tweeted.
He added that “sadly, there were 18 COVID fatalities.’’
Saturday’s positivity rate follows Friday’s 2.2 percent level and Thursday’s 2.0 percent.
The last time the state went past 2.35 percent was June 1, when its number of positive tests hit 2.5 percent.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||11/08/2020|
R61 I know math is hard, but you might be surprised to know that $15 times 30 hours times 4.5 weeks is $2,025. That said I’d be totally supportive of a danger pay supplement for low paid essential workers. They deserve it.
But your post is actually an excellent example of an extreme capitalist/Marxist distraction/argument meant to stymie positive change by pitting economically vulnerable people against each other. It’s an emotional sleight of hand that leaves people miserable and desperate; either completely dependent on their exploitive employers or willing to blow up the whole world.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||11/08/2020|
[quote]I know math is hard, but you might be surprised to know that $15 times 30 hours times 4.5 weeks is $2,025.
Not sure why you're snottingly doing simple math when it has nothing to do with anything I wrote. It's also really telling that you assume a $15 minimum wage when that's nowhere near the norm across the country. I didn't say people would get more for staying home, I said that they would get money while the person going to work would risk their life to get their money and that that would be horrendously unfair and should be remedied by including all those in need.
And, your second paragraph is just bullshit. I took into account the difference to cover everyone by dropping it from $100,000 to $75,000 in order to allow helping MORE people. Your way screws over essential workers while costing the same amount of money. So, take your sanctimonious bullshit and shove it. You're usually reasonable around here so maybe you're having a shitty day but why don't you check yourself before being an asshole.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||11/08/2020|
[quote]it’s clear you didn’t read the whole article.
Yes, I did. It's clear that you didn't read my reply, since I've already explained why the article is pernicious nonsense.
[quote]It’s not just Gupta. Many scientists, doctors are afraid to speak out or ask questions.
Oh, garbage. The very fact that the article was written puts the lie to that horseshit. And it's not about "asking questions," since everybody asks questions. It's about asking *stupid* questions that we already know the answer to, like "Do masks work?" Or "Hey, why don't we just try to protect the vulnerable and ignore everyone else?" Or, "Gee, why don't we let everyone get infected?" We already *know* the answers: 1) Yes, 2) Because it is not feasible to do so. and 3) Because millions of people would die unnecessarily.
[quote]Differing views are Being censured and shut down instead of discussed. This is not science!
Those "differing views" are not science, which is why they are being discussed and subsequently shot down. It's precisely because they aren't science, because they're ridiculous on the face, because they are so directly contradicted by literally all of the available evidence, that they are being rejected, which is exactly what is *supposed* to happen in the scientific community. "The earth is flat" is not being discussed, and for good reason.
[quote]This is akin to religion, and dogmatic thinking.
Nope, that's what *you* are doing, assuming that those questions are valid and refusing to acknowledge or research the hundreds of articles, comments, and data that contradict them.
[quote]This is a novel virus, the science is evolving and changing.
So is the ridiculous nonsense, which needs to be rejected so that we can get to the science.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||11/08/2020|
[quote]here's Prof Hill reassuring us that "billions of doses" of his as yet unevaluated, unapproved and unlicensed vaccine are currently being produced and - joy! - medics and the elderly will be able to get it by Christmas.
And your point is? That's what he said in the article I linked to, as well. And of course the vaccine is being produced in large quantities. All of them are, even with the knowledge that those quantities may need to be thrown out if the vaccine fails its Phase 3 trial.
I have no idea why you have this idiotic fixation that vaccines are just totally worthless but you really do need to get over it.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||11/08/2020|
I'd rather have the llama antibody mist.
After two-ish weeks of letting students return to some in-person classes, coupled with however many off-campus Halloween parties, my University is returning to "Elevated Risk" status after 40 students tested poz in one day. (Apparently many from the swim team.) Students are supposed to shelter in place, but their list of permissible reasons to leave their rooms is ridiculously long.
Then the little shits will finally get sent packing on Nov.20.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||11/08/2020|
going to be a difficult winter, and it has nothing to do with the weather.
Everyone's going to have to make sacrifices and follow guidelines if we're going to get a handle on this.
Many people who have lost friends and family members spend holidays alone, and a lot of you probably never even noticed. And this year, many of you will find yourselves virtually alone during the season because of pandemic restrictions and limitations. Hopefully, we will end up with kinder, gentler, and more understanding human beings. Look out for those neighbors. Even the smallest act a kindness means so much to them.
🤗 Better days are coming, DataLounge !
🎉 Looking forward to 2021 !
|by Anonymous||reply 68||11/08/2020|
Pfizer provided early analysis results for its Phase 3 trial vaccine, saying that "the analysis found that the vaccine was more than 90 percent effective in preventing the disease among trial volunteers who had no evidence of prior coronavirus infection. If the results hold up, that level of protection would put it on par with highly effective childhood vaccines for diseases such as measles. No serious safety concerns have been observed, the company said."
|by Anonymous||reply 69||11/09/2020|
Amazingly wonderful news R69!
|by Anonymous||reply 70||11/09/2020|
R66, I never said vaccines are worthless in any way whatsoever. I said the Oxford team had been making grandiose claims about their vaccine candidate and still are, because they were aiming more for their own glory than anything else. Another element to the Oxford team really pushing this narrative that they are the front runners is that (aside from the UK government's push to make university science departments set up their own profit-making companies) there is competition between the head of the Jenner Institute at Oxford, where the vaccine is being developed, and his ex-wife, Sunetra Gupta, who is one of the biggest advocates of letting the virus spread in the hope that natural herd immunity will be achieved.
The Oxford team are probably tearing their hair out at the news that the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine appears to be 90% effective. Which doesn't in any way mean that a vaccine will soon be ready for mass use - there's still a long way to go.
I should add that the Oxford team's adament claims that they would be producing 100s of millions of doses by now convinced some European politicians that a vaccine would soon be ready and so we could start opening the economy sooner and lifting most restrictions, which has partly led to the sharp rise in infections (another cause of which is the naive idea that masks are all that's needed to avoid infection. The Oxford grandstanding has probably led to the spread of the virus.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||11/09/2020|
I hope the vaccine doesn't lead to an I Am Legend sitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||11/09/2020|
As coronavirus cases have surged to records across the country, New York City had hoped to keep the outbreak at bay and press ahead with its slow but steady recovery from the dark days of spring. But now, the forecast is turning more alarming.
The number of new infections is swiftly rising, with more than 1,000 cases identified in the city four days in a row this past week, a level that last occurred in May. Just a month ago, daily cases were typically in the 500 to 700 range.
City health officials and Mayor de Blasio’s aides have been discussing whether new citywide restrictions should be imposed, including a broader shutdown of nonessential businesses if the citywide, seven-day positivity rate average climbs, and stays, above 3 percent.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||11/09/2020|
Biden speaking about Covid plans now on CNN.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||11/09/2020|
200,000+ deaths projected before the vaccine.
Vaccine will be free.
States, cities and tribes to be worked with to ramp up PPE production and distribution.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||11/09/2020|
Pushing mask-wearing hard.
I’ve read that one of the people on his Covid task force will be a whistleblower fired by Trump.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||11/09/2020|
Saying masks can bring life back to normal. Economically, socially.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||11/09/2020|
Sounds like that’s it for the speech. Not taking questions.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||11/09/2020|
[quote]I never said vaccines are worthless in any way whatsoever.
Your comments are public record here.
[quote]I should add ... The Oxford grandstanding has probably led to the spread of the virus.
Why on earth would you "add" something so demonstrably false?
|by Anonymous||reply 79||11/09/2020|
Where exactly did I say vaccines are worthless, r79?
Oxford's grandstanding led politicians in Europe to believe a vaccine was imminent, hence partly why they lifted restrictions too soon, resulting in rising infections and deaths.
Here's an article on Oxford's vaccine saga, entitled "Inside Oxford’s Vaccine Saga: From Wild Hype to Sobering Reality".
|by Anonymous||reply 80||11/09/2020|
[quote]Oxford's grandstanding led politicians in Europe to believe a vaccine was imminent, hence partly why they lifted restrictions too soon, resulting in rising infections and deaths.
Repeating a lie doesn't make it true, R80, no matter how much you would like it to be.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||11/09/2020|
Are you in Europe, r81?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||11/09/2020|
Gov. Cuomo emerges as stumbling block to New York rollout of Pfizer vaccine
News of a Pfizer breakthrough on a vaccine to fight the coronavirus came as welcome news to many today but New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo still expressed concern about it being rolled out under the Trump administration.
Cuomo blasted Trump’s vaccine plan Monday morning as “flawed” and went so far as to declare: “We can’t let this vaccination plan go forward the way that Trump and his administration is designing it.”
The Democratic governor — who has a bitter relationship with Trump — made the comments on “Good Morning America” Monday, moments after he acknowledged that tests on Pfizer’s experimental COVID-19 vaccine “look good” and he believes a vaccine will be “available shortly.”
Calling the promising breakthrough “bad news,” Cuomo said the vaccine rollout plan needed to be stopped until his old friend, President-elect Joe Biden takes office in January, otherwise it will cause “damage.”
“The bad news is that it’s about two months before Joe Biden takes over, and this means [the Trump] administration is going to be implementing a vaccine plan,” Cuomo said.
That plan, he said, is “flawed.”
“I believe it learns nothing from the past,” Cuomo charged. “They’re basically going to have the private providers do it, and that’s going to leave out all sorts of communities that were left out the first time when COVID ravaged them.
The governor threatened to slow-roll the desperately-needed vaccine in the hard-hit Empire State in September, citing his distrust of the president and claiming the process was “politicized.”
Trump unloaded on Cuomo, calling him a “lowlife,” and said the vaccine had been developed by the “finest labs in the world.”
The braggadocios Big Apple-born lawmakers share a mutual loathing and repeatedly traded blows at their daily press conferences during the pandemic, with Cuomo even suggesting the president would need “an army” to protect him if he wanted to walk on the streets of New York.
While Pfizer has signed on to Operation Ward Speed, the Trump administration’s plan to fast track delivery of a COVID-19 vaccine, the company did not take any money from the federal money to help pay for research and development.
Warp Speed has promised to purchase $2 billion worth of vaccines from Pfizer when they are ready.
Cuomo said the Trump administration’s vaccine will be distributed through the “private mechanism” — including hospitals and drug market chains, excluding poorer communities.
Communities in “healthcare deserts” — without any of those facilities nearby — will be in trouble, as was the case when the virus began to sweep the nation, Cuomo said.
“You have two months, and you can’t let this vaccination go forward the way the Trump administration is designing it — because Biden can’t undo it two months later,” he said.
“We’ll be in the midst of it. And I’ve been talking to governors across the nation about that. How can we shape the Trump administration vaccine plan to fix it or stop it before it does damage.”
He said that the Biden administration would “depoliticize testing data” and “listen to the science, [which] is the exact opposite of Trump.”
Cuomo has previously said that he wants his own team of in-house experts to review a federally approved COVID-19 vaccine before distributing the drug to millions of New Yorkers, arguing that he doesn’t think the FDA and CDC’s recommendations are “safe.”
|by Anonymous||reply 83||11/09/2020|
Brianna just said Ben Carson tested positive.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||11/09/2020|
And David Bossie, who was tapped to lead the Trump post-election battles, now has the virus, as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||11/09/2020|
Die! God in Heaven die!
|by Anonymous||reply 86||11/09/2020|
I would like to know how the 10% of volunteers that contracted CV19 for the Pfizer vaccine fared. Did it mitigate it somewhat, or was it full blown?
|by Anonymous||reply 87||11/09/2020|
That would be interesting to know R87. But keep in mind that for the vast majority of people who contract the coronavirus, the symptoms are not severe. So it would be hard to quantify probably. But what the fuck do I know.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||11/09/2020|
The New York Post is cited at R83? Oh no bias there at all.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||11/09/2020|
Also, R87, the way vaccines work, it's not like 10% of people with a vaccine would get Covid. The 90% of people around them not carrying it would protect that 10%. If it truly is 90% effective and that effectiveness lasts for a long enough time, Covid will be gone because it will have lost its hosts.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||11/09/2020|
My 73 y.o. cousin tested positive for Covid and she has been very sick for about a week. She aches all over, but does not have a high fever. She has a terrible cough but is not having trouble breathing. Does this mean she likely to recover? She’s not in the hospital and I’m very worried about her.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||11/09/2020|
A friend who works at Tulane University reports 234 on-campus cases in the past four days, and they're still making him teach in person classes.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||11/10/2020|
We're on track to break the record for the total number hospitalized in the U.S. this week.
[quote]Today's hospitalization number [59,275] marks the largest single-day increase since July 10, and the highest total number since July 25.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||11/10/2020|
The U.S. now has over 10 million confirmed cases. It took just 10 days to go from 9 million cases to 10 million vs. 14 days to go from 8 to 9, 21 days to go from 7 to 8, 25 days to go from 6 to 7.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||11/10/2020|
Nearly 10% of patients treated in hospital for Covid-19 had to be readmitted within two months of being discharged, according to a new report from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Readmissions were more common among patients sent to a skilled nursing facility or those who needed home care after they were hospitalized, compared to patients who were sent home to care for themselves, the report -- published Monday in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report -- found.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||11/10/2020|
"Oh yeah? Well my vaccine is more than 90% effective, too! So there!" says a representative of the Russian health ministry about Russia's Sputnik V vaccine.
Needless to say, few people are taking the claim seriously.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||11/10/2020|
This is not good news and it's just one more painful set of choices that the pandemic, and our inability to deal with it, has foisted on us.
[quote]Children across Britain have lost basic skills and regressed in learning because of school closures resulting from the coronavirus pandemic, according to a report released on Tuesday by the government’s school inspection body. ...
[quote]Younger children have lost early progress in numbers and words, some who were potty-trained have gone back into diapers, and others have even forgotten how to eat with a knife and fork, school inspectors say. For some children, prolonged isolation means they are having to relearn how to maintain friendships.
[quote]Older children are struggling with their reading and writing, the research found, and their physical fitness is lacking. There has also been a notable increase in eating disorders and self-harm.
[quote]Children who coped well with the restrictions were those who had “good support structures around them,” the chief schools inspector, Amanda Spielman, said in a statement. The children hardest hit by the slip in learning were those whose parents couldn’t work flexibly, for whom lockdown meant spending less time with their parents and less time with other children, Ms. Spielman said.
I think what we have to do is find a middle ground here. For example:
Code Red: Shut down everything including the schools.
Code Orange: Open the elementary and middle schools but keep the high schools and colleges closed.
Code Yellow: Open the high schools.
Code Green: Open the colleges.
Another possibility: since the study notes that the situation is worse for those whose parents couldn't work flexibly, provide support so that those parents and their children have more options.
If we had something like these options, we could mitigate the worst of the harm to younger children without significantly increasing the risk to the older and higher-risk populations.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||11/10/2020|
😴 Moving right along ..............
|by Anonymous||reply 98||11/10/2020|
Don't expect much to change in the U.S., at least not anytime soon.
[quote]More than a dozen states have seen record-high Covid-19 infections in the past five days, as the country experiences case counts never seen before anywhere in the world and, once again, surging hospitalizations and deaths.
[quote]But public health experts around the country told STAT they were deeply worried that there has not been a correspondingly urgent response from federal, state, and local leaders. As a result, they warned, the country is set on an even more dire course as it moves deeper into the fall and holiday season.
[quote]Even as cases spiral, many state leaders — wary of inflaming a worn-out public, dismissive of the pandemic, or philosophically opposed to government intervention — are not implementing the types of measures that succeeded in reining in major outbreaks in the spring and summer. By and large, public leaders — some Democrats but particularly Republicans — are putting the impetus on individuals to take steps to slow transmission instead of spearheading new campaigns to curtail the coronavirus. ...
[quote]Some governors and other elected officials say the public is tired of burdensome interventions. Leaders also feel burned by the backlash to more intensive measures or believe the virus will spread no matter what, so restrictions that harm the economy and society aren’t worth the costs. The result, experts say, is a dangerous combination of fatigue, fatalism, and forfeiture that will only result in more illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths. ...
[quote]What’s particularly frustrating to public health experts is that time matters when it comes to how effective a given intervention will be at slowing the spread of a virus. With infections growing exponentially, a strategy that can help corral cases one day might only make a dent if instituted later on. Waiting a week to strike can mean the difference between it being sufficient or not, between people staying alive or dying.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||11/10/2020|
[quote]Don't expect much to change in the U.S., at least not anytime soon.
It's going to be an ever-rising wave of infections, hospitalizations and deaths through at least February.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||11/10/2020|
Happy about the Pfizer vaccine but still lots of questions based on the data released so far. Will this save us? We will see. But we can not underestimate the power of this virus. It is a tricky mother fucker! An effective vaccine is only part of the solution.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||11/10/2020|
Guardian-Nearly one in five people who have had Covid-19 are diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder such as anxiety, depression or insomnia within three months of testing positive for the virus, according to a study that suggests action is needed to mitigate the mental health toll of the pandemic. The analysis – conducted by researchers from the University of Oxford and NIHR Oxford Health Biomedical Research Centre – also found that people with a pre-existing mental health diagnosis were 65% more likely to be diagnosed with Covid-19 than those without, even accounting for known risk factors such as age, sex, race, and underlying physical conditions. “This finding was unexpected and needs investigation. In the meantime, having a psychiatric disorder should be added to the list of risk factors for Covid-19,” said Dr Max Taquet, an NIHR academic clinical fellow and one of the authors of the analysis.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||11/10/2020|
Yay Iowa! Latest daily infection rate (per 100K): 128.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||11/10/2020|
[quote]Guardian-Nearly one in five people who have had Covid-19 are diagnosed with a psychiatric disorder such as anxiety, depression or insomnia
I have a sneaking suspicion that same diagnosis could be made for the population at large since this pandemic started, not just those who have tested positive for the virus.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||11/10/2020|
Let's make it real:
|by Anonymous||reply 105||11/10/2020|
For sure the good news about the Pfizer vaccine is a double edged sword as we head towards the holiday season. Many people already thought that the crisis was over before the news. And now this! Mr Corona WILL deliver his most lethal strike throughout the world in the coming weeks and months. You can count on that!
|by Anonymous||reply 106||11/10/2020|
"Mr. Covid" ..........
Is that the code name for Donald Trump ?
Sounds like they both have identical missions.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||11/10/2020|
Despite the fact that airlines are claiming it's safe to fly, you couldn't pay me to board a plane now.
I hope everyone thinks twice about flying over the holidays.
Just say NO !
|by Anonymous||reply 108||11/10/2020|
“Covid-19 hospitalizations in the United States hit an all-time high of 61,964 on Tuesday, as the raging pandemic continued to shatter record after record and strain medical facilities.”
|by Anonymous||reply 109||11/10/2020|
ProPublica has a good article on the challenges of distributing the vaccine, particularly to rural communities.
[quote]The Pfizer vaccine is unusually difficult to ship and store: It is administered in two doses given 28 days apart, has to be stored at temperatures of about minus 100 degrees Fahrenheit and will be delivered in dry ice-packed boxes holding 1,000 to 5,000 doses. These cartons can stay cold enough to keep the doses viable for up to 10 days….
[quote]Needing to use 1,000 doses within a few days may be fine for large hospital systems or mass vaccination centers. But it could rule out sending the vaccine to providers who don’t treat that many people, even doctors’ offices in cities. It’s especially challenging in smaller towns, rural areas and Native communities on reservations that are likely to struggle to administer that many doses quickly or to maintain them at ultracold temperatures. …
[quote]ProPublica obtained full preliminary plans for 47 states (Hawaii, Pennsylvania and Minnesota say they’re still working on theirs). Many struggled with how to handle a Pfizer-like vaccine. Washington state’s Health Department does not have its own warehouse that can store the Pfizer vaccine at a cold enough temperature. Arizona expects the Pfizer vaccine cannot be handled by the state’s rural communities and tribal lands. North Dakota and Oregon aren’t sure how to take care of migrant workers. Kansas’ plan appears to mistakenly assume shipments will be far smaller than 1,000 doses. Georgia’s Public Health Department is relying on local districts and counties to work out their own details.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||11/10/2020|
Can one of our medical people explain why two doses are needed for some vaccines? Is it the same exact vaccine given twice or is there like vaccine part 1 and vaccine part 2? It seems strange considering the mRNA approach used with this vaccine. Is it a matter of not wanting to overwhelm your system so they give you a smaller dose twice to prevent things like those cytokine storms or triggering autoimmune diseases?
|by Anonymous||reply 111||11/10/2020|
You are advised to NEVER take medical advice from datalounge, R111
|by Anonymous||reply 112||11/10/2020|
R91, my obese 70 year old aunt had it in September and experienced the symptoms your cousin described. She was never hospitalized, however there was one day/night she thought she was going to die
After the disease had run the "active" phase of its course, she did experience some trouble breathing at least once, just while resting in her chair. She described it very strange to feel unable to catch her breath when she wasn't even moving. After that, she went to he extremely rural doctor who told her she had a heart murmur.
It's a terrible thing, but the odds are that your cousin will survive.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||11/10/2020|
Not looking for medical advice, R112. There are some doctors and nurses on here. Just don't feel like reading through a bunch of articles right now and figured they could give a quicker answer.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||11/10/2020|
[quote]You are advised to NEVER take medical advice from datalounge, [R111]
That sounds suspiciously like medical advice.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||11/10/2020|
In the simplest terms, you can think of the first dose as a primer. The immune system has to figure out what's going on and then mount a response. When the second dose comes in, the immune system is an expert — it knows exactly what it's dealing with and it gets right down to business. That's when you get the optimum response.
It's like learning to drive. Initially you're hyperaware of every decision you have to make. You're driving a car, but you're not at your best. But with time and experience you're no longer thinking, "How hard should I turn the wheel to make a right turn? How much force should I put on the brake? Am in the center of my lane?" You just get in the car and drive.
|by Anonymous||reply 116||11/10/2020|
Oh, and it's two doses of the same vaccine, R111.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||11/10/2020|
Kiwi here - what's it like out there in the world? Does everyone know someone who has died of Covid? Are you resigned to catching it?
How is day to day life?
|by Anonymous||reply 118||11/10/2020|
R118 I wouldn't get too cocky. Whilst that virus is lurking out and about around much of the globe nobody is immune to it.
And I'm saying that as an Australian. Aside from the outbreak in Melbourne which was child's play compared to what is going down throughout North & South America, Europe, the Middle East and everywhere else, those of us lucky enough to be living in places that haven't been badly affected (to date) must always be on guard for a possible breakout.
I have nothing but sympathy for everyone effected arouns the world by what is unfolding.
NZ, Australia and other nations so far largely spared are not immune and will not be until such time that there is a vaccine.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||11/10/2020|
I'm not asking to be cocky r119, I have no doubt that we will have to deal with the virus re-emerging in the future.
I'm genuinely asking because people overseas are going through something that I have no idea of - I am isolated from the outside world and would like to hear people's perspectives and day-to-day life..
|by Anonymous||reply 120||11/11/2020|
R120 My apologies for misunderstanding your post.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||11/11/2020|
R118 Hello, Kiwi.
I live in Pennsylvania in the US, and the virus is completely out of control here. I fortunately do not know anyone who has died from it, nor anyone who has even had it, but honestly I'm a natural hermit and just don't know that many people. I also live in a bubble of people who have been taking this very seriously.
On a larger scale, I am resigned to COIVD being endemic in the world's population forever. Our state's response started off strong, but there seemingly is no more political will to take ANY obviously needed measures (such as shutting down bars, casinos, and dine-in restaurants.) I'm resigned that most people in the US will catch it. I'm resigned that in 5-10 years we'll see a huge mortality from the long-term effects of COIVD infection. Lots of people keeling over from stroke and heart attack. I worry that the overall quality of healthcare for everyone will diminish, as many doctors and nurses succumb to COVID and the crippled educational system won't be able to produce adequate replacements.
I don't think I'm *resigned* to getting it myself, otherwise I wouldn't be so terrified of it. But I know that my chances worsen with each passing day as more and more random people I encounter outside could be infectious. We'll be returning to curbside/delivered groceries, and after the end of this year I won't have any more medical appointments hopefully for a very long while. I'll be back to lockdown mode.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||11/11/2020|
R120, not everyone knows someone who has died. I bet most people know somebody, with six degrees of separation, so to speak, that’s had it. Many people get the mild form and are sick for a few days or weeks. Some people get mild symptoms like the flu.
The problem is, even the mild or asymptomatic cases may get heart or lung damage, and not even know it. Including children, who sometimes have little or no symptoms.
I think I may have had it in February. It was mild, kind of like a flu.
I’ve had to go to the doctor a lot this year, for something else, and they take my temperature, make me wait in the car until they're ready. I can’t enter without a mask. They make me wash my hands in hand sanitizer in front of them before I go in. When they took me in the back, I stayed in one room until it was time to leave.
Many of us, especially older people, don’t go anywhere unless we have to. It’s been months since I went somewhere for the hell of it. I go to the market, that’s it. It’s okay for me, but very claustrophobic for others. Some people are becoming depressed and suicidal. Sometimes I just drive around after the market so I can get some air. No public place in my state allows you to go inside without a mask. I wear gloves everywhere, although some people don’t. A lot of people leave their shoes outside in the garage.
Many kids go to school by Zoom. They say many are falling behind. A lot of the parents don’t make them go. A lot of poor kids are really going to be delayed.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||11/11/2020|
[quote]Many of us, especially older people, don’t go anywhere unless we have to.
So true. 66 yo here. Have only been out for a meal (outside dining) twice since March. Order EVERYTHING online. Prepare all my own meals. Go outside at 6 a.m. for an hour walk six days a week. I wear a mask and if I see anyone approaching without one, I walk as far away from them as possible until they are passed.
I am lucky enough to work from home. Also lucky enough to be an introvert who enjoys my own company.
The biggest plus (if you can call it that) of this pandemic was the fact that I was able to be home and sole care-giver to the love of my life as he declined and died from ALS in September.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||11/11/2020|
In South Dakota news, DL Fave Paul TenHaken, mayor of Sioux Falls, declined to break deadlock on City Council's mandate of mask-wearing in public. People are free to be free! (and get sick and die).
|by Anonymous||reply 125||11/11/2020|
Sorry for your loss R124
|by Anonymous||reply 126||11/11/2020|
Volunteers who took Pfizer vaccine say it felt like suffering a ‘severe hangover’
Volunteers who received the Pfizer coronavirus vaccine during trials say it left them feeling like they had a “severe hangover,” according to reports.
The more than 43,500 people in six countries who took part in phase three trials by the pharmaceutical giant were never told whether they were injected with the vaccine or a placebo in the double-blind tests.
But some said they knew they had the drug because of headaches, fever and muscle aches that were compared to getting the flu shot or recovering from a heavy night out, the Sun said.
Texan Glenn Deshields, 44, said his “severe hangover” symptoms soon cleared up, however — and he later took an antibody test that came back positive.
He said he was “very excited” by Monday’s news that the tests showed the vaccine was 90% effective — and compared it to the end of a war.
“My grandfather, one of his first memories was of the bells ringing when World War I ended,” said the lobbyist from Austin.
“It was a horrific war and horrible things happened and people were just happy it was over with.
“In my mind, I felt the same way … I kind of felt it was something like that. Thank God, it’s going to be over at some point.”
Another volunteer who only gave her first name, Carrie, said she suffered a headache, fever and aches all over her body after her first shot — symptoms that were even more severe after the second one, Metro UK said.
The 45-year-old from Missouri said taking part in the trials was her “civic duty.”
“There are so many people who have had it and suffered. The thought that we could do something to stop people from suffering from this, from losing family members, that we could get rid of it and get back to some sort of normal in our lives — that’s a driving factor for this for me,” she said.
“I don’t want anyone else to be sick.”
|by Anonymous||reply 127||11/11/2020|
Kiwi, I live in a state that was doing great (CT) but in the past month we have shot to an over 7% positivity rate. I feel like I am rolling the dice with any outings even though I am socially distanced and masked. Now that we are in a Red phase again I am doing once every two week grocery runs again, might go back to curbside pick up which I haven't done since early May. I socialize outside with 4 friends who are part of my pod, my parents I only see outside and 10 ft apart, I really feel for them. It's gonna be a rough three months. Once Biden is sworn in I feel we will be able to tamp things down with a federally mandated COVID plan but until then between Trump's tantrums and COVID spreading like wildfire it will be a rough 3 months.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||11/11/2020|
Three medical workers who took Russian vaccine reportedly infected with COVID-19
|by Anonymous||reply 129||11/11/2020|
This is just ridiculous:
[quote]South Dakota health officials acknowledged Tuesday that [bold]they include intensive care unit beds designed for infants[/bold] in their total count of hospital beds available in the state — a key metric that the governor has used to defend her handling of the coronavirus pandemic. [Emphasis added.]
Yeah, because ICU beds for infants are just perfect to handle adults with the virus, right?
|by Anonymous||reply 130||11/11/2020|
Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds, who has been just as stubborn and just as stupid, as South Dakota governor Kristi Noem has finally and reluctantly bowed just a tiny bit towards reality.
[quote]... Reynolds told reporters Tuesday that capacity was "at risk" in the state's healthcare system following a surge in Covid-19 cases. Reynolds said there have been more than 21,000 new cases in the past week and the percentage of people testing positive is more than 19%, with 1,131 patients in hospital. … Reynolds said she had signed a proclamation, which goes into effect Tuesday at midnight, extending the public health emergency for 30 days and imposing new restrictions.
For the first time, Governor Reynolds will require masks in some circumstances, something she had refused to do previously. Instead, she had previously called mask mandates "feel good" actions. Not only had she refused to issue any such mandate before, she had specifically blocked cities and counties from issuing and enforcing their own mandates.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||11/11/2020|
And another idiot Republican governor:
[quote]Gov. Douglas J. Burgum of North Dakota, which has the worst infection and death rates per person in the country, announced on Monday that health care workers who have tested positive but have no symptoms could continue to work in hospitals and nursing homes under certain restrictions, including that they treat only Covid-19 patients.
Yeah, because none of those health care workers will interact with other workers? Will not interact with other people on their way to and from work? Won't be around other people in the restrooms, break areas, lobbies?
I get it: his state is overwhelmed, but that's entirely on him and this isn't going to help.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||11/11/2020|
The Covid Exit Strategy site has become a sea of dark red, with no states "Trending Better," only one state (Vermont) "Caution Warranted," and two states (Hawaii and Maine) "Trending Poorly." The other 47 states are all "Uncontrolled Spread."
|by Anonymous||reply 133||11/11/2020|
Other state, medical, school, legal, and other information of interest at the Daily Coronavirus Newsletter.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||11/11/2020|
Based on the data so far, we will most likely cross 10K deaths today. The April peak has nothing on November.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||11/11/2020|
Thank you posters, and try to stay safe. I wish everyone the best, and I'm sorry for your loss, r124.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||11/11/2020|
I got a flu shot yesterday -- it was the first human touch I've experienced since March.
What a life!
|by Anonymous||reply 137||11/11/2020|
For you, r137...
|by Anonymous||reply 138||11/11/2020|
R124, I condole you. Wolfie was loved well, it sounds like.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||11/11/2020|
Wolfie was adored r139.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||11/11/2020|
Latest daily infection rate in Ioway (per 100K): 137.
Brava, Governor Kunt!
|by Anonymous||reply 141||11/11/2020|
I am glad, Wolfie's partner; I am certain you were, too.
It is sad that many of the gay love stories I've heard have been after a partner dies. There is still beauty, even just in your Covid thread posts.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||11/11/2020|
NY Gov Cuomo announces new restrictions:
Bars, restaurants with liquor licenses, and gyms must close at 10 pm.
Private parties inside residences capped at 10 people.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||11/11/2020|
Not sure if this has already been posted but I am taking the Pfizer news with a grain of salt. In the end, this is all about business and still lots of questions about this vaccine
CNN- New York (CNN Business)Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla filed to sell millions of dollars of his company's stock Monday -- the day the pharmaceutical giant announced positive data about its coronavirus vaccine. The company's shares soared after Pfizer and European drug company BioNTech said early data suggests the vaccine could be more than 90% effective. The transaction was part of a regularly scheduled plan set up by Bourla to periodically sell some of his Pfizer shares. Bourla sold 132,508 Pfizer (PFE) shares at a price of $41.94, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. That works out to proceeds of nearly $5.6 million. A Pfizer spokeswoman said in an email to CNN Business that the sale took place because Pfizer shares hit a predetermined price as part of a plan authorized by Bourla on August 19.
|by Anonymous||reply 144||11/11/2020|
Pfizer's 24-hour news cycle pimping AND dumping stock: it's too good to be true and too true to be good.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||11/11/2020|
This isn't dumped stock, it's entirely legitimate under a 10b5-1 plan and was arranged in August. He's just making money, and he deserves it.
|by Anonymous||reply 146||11/11/2020|
I’d be perfectly fine if NYC turned into a fricking police state where mask adherence is concerned. Cops should fine the shit out of non mask compliance or the refusal to wear a mask correctly.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||11/11/2020|
Bloomberg's Jennifer Jacobs:
[quote]Yet another Trump ally who attended the White House election night party, Healy Baumgardner, has coronavirus. She attended as a guest of Rudy Giuliani, I'm told. She is a former Trump campaign aide and a private equity adviser.
NTY's Maggie Haberman:
[quote]Another official who attended an election night event at the White House has tested positive for the coronavirus. The latest person is the White House political director, Brian Jack.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||11/11/2020|
[quote] Then when a vaccine is available people will lose benefits immediately if they don't take it and keep benefits for a bonus three months if they do.
Fuck you. I’m not taking any vaccine that doesn’t have 2 years of testing behind it.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||11/11/2020|
[quote] Cops should fine the shit out of non mask compliance or the refusal to wear a mask correctly.
NYPD is against masks because their republican. They endorsed Trump. They’re some of the worst offenders when it comes to wearing masks & social distancing.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||11/11/2020|
Yesterday, in California, we got an Amber Alert on our phones about the CV19 crisis and how it important it was to wear a mask. Also to refrain from going out needlessly.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||11/11/2020|
R147 totally agree. And if everyone did that we wouldn’t have to worry about another shut down (because governors only feel they need to resort to it when people don’t follow the rules and rates start to climb up again).
|by Anonymous||reply 152||11/11/2020|
R149. I agree with you. These trials have been rushed and we STILL have some much to learn about this virus!
|by Anonymous||reply 153||11/11/2020|
^^So not some. Sorry datalounge police.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||11/11/2020|
yeah, I'm wary too.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||11/11/2020|
They've "paused" the reopening phases in many counties in Oregon. Like most states, it is very rabidly red outside of the cities, and Trump's Death Cult feels masks are a liberal plot.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||11/11/2020|
R156 they’re too dumb to realize that if they followed the rules reopening would never be in danger of being paused. They’re the ones causing the problem!
So infuriating. Seriously fine non mask wearers 5k, anything so we don’t shut down again.
|by Anonymous||reply 157||11/11/2020|
Over 10K deaths now as I feared many hours ago
|by Anonymous||reply 158||11/11/2020|
[quote]Yet another Trump ally who attended the White House election night party, Healy Baumgardner, has coronavirus. She attended as a guest of Rudy Giuliani, I'm told. She is a former Trump campaign aide and a private equity adviser.
With an irrepressible sense of style!
|by Anonymous||reply 159||11/11/2020|
🤔 [italic] Nobody Knows Nothin 'Bout The Corona
|by Anonymous||reply 160||11/11/2020|
R159 had no idea they/them supported 45
|by Anonymous||reply 161||11/11/2020|
We need a brand spanking new Covid Free White House.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||11/11/2020|
The mystery case, a female university student, is concerning as authorities say she has no links to areas of risk like the border. The woman took the test late on Tuesday and was told by health authorities to stay home until she had her results. But on Wednesday she went to work wearing a mask , in a customer-facing role
“We now know that this case called in sick to work after receiving the advice to isolate, but after a conversation with their manager went to work and wore a mask,” the ministry of health said.
The woman’s test came back positive on Thursday. She has been moved to a quarantine facility but there is still no concrete information on the source of infection, despite multiple interviews with her. Two of the woman’s friends have also been moved to quarantine, despite feeling well. While infectious the student also took a number of Uber rides and visited four CBD restaurants and cafes for food and takeaways, as well as New Zealand’s largest department store, Smith & Caughey’s. Residents at the apartment block where the woman lives have been asked to isolate and a mobile testing unit was on site, with all common areas closed. The block is next door to a managed quarantine isolation facility. Auckland mayor Phil Goff called the latest case “not great
|by Anonymous||reply 163||11/11/2020|
I pity the manager in that store, r163. Kiwis are baying for blood.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||11/11/2020|
I'm writing from CA in th US. Just saying thank you to each of you who have posted here since Part 1. Please keep posting. I see this thread has had nearly 8000 views, so know your posts are a comfort to someone. I especially enjoy the informative posters; you know who you are. And the odd attempts at humor are great. It looks like we will be going into a rough patch now. Here in the USofA, 50% of the people won't comply with rules set. This is town to town, state to state! We're fucked. Do you really think Captain Biden will get our vast crew to follow orders?? We are like Noah's Ark here. Even when a vaccine comes, it sounds like many people will want to wait two years for evidence of effectiveness! I researched a simple question today whether restaurant cooks and chefs are required to wear masks. The answer was yes, but no, but maybe, depending. We're fucked. But at least there's DL, maybe some evidence of intelligent human life left. Carry on....
|by Anonymous||reply 165||11/11/2020|
**2,100 views** my bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 166||11/11/2020|
R165, take some heart. As these idiot rural areas start to fall from the sheer weight of Covid, they'll start wearing masks. Already, there have been a couple Repug governors, like Utah, who have finally started moving toward statewide mask mandates. I think the effect of Trump fucking this up by acting so cavalier is even worse than we thought and as he fades away the entire tone will shift. This winter will be rough though.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||11/11/2020|
Copied from the 'Hope' thread, some very useful information: Summary of treatment protocols recommended by Eastern Virginia Medical School for preventative therapy, mild cases, and critical cases.
Fortunately, partner and I are doing most of the prophylaxis steps already.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||11/12/2020|
A Twitter thread on the lag between rising cases and rising deaths. Per the data in that thread, the lag is ~22 days. The money tweet
[quote]Or looking forwards, this lag-adjusted CFR suggests that 118,976 reported cases today (with 7-day smoothing) will translate to ~2150 deaths reported in 22 days on Dec 2.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||11/12/2020|
The tweet linked in this tweet did not age well:
[quote]I predict you'll continue to hear from her [Kristi Noem] as one of the governors who exercised clear leadership during the coronavirus crisis.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||11/12/2020|
"Coronavirus pandemic reveals 'big problems' in clinical trials, FDA expert says"
I've been monitoring the pandemic and collating daily reports since late March and I've noticed this time and time again. Too many of these studies are "desperation science," performed on just a few subjects and without adequate controls. Even I, a non-expert, casual observer, can see this. It's depressing.
[quote]The coronavirus pandemic has revealed “problems” with the state of clinical trials, Dr Janet Woodcock, the director of the Centers for Drug Evaluation and Research at the United States Food and Drug Administration, said this week.
[quote]There are currently more than 700 trials for coronavirus therapeutics underway in the US, Woodcock said.
[quote]Most are not going to tell doctors very much that’s useful, said Woodcock, who is also leading Operation Warp Speed’s search for new therapeutics against Covid-19. ...
[quote]One of the concerns about the large number of trials is that they are started by different investigators and are each too small to have answers. Plus, there’s a lack of coordination among them.
[quote]“You take convalescent plasma -- we don't have a single trial,” Woodcock said. “Even though that's been available for quite a long time, we don't have a single trial that is large enough to yield answers right now, a randomized trial, and we're supporting continued conduct of those randomized trials."
[quote]The uncoordinated nature of these trials “is a really big problem,” Woodcock said, adding that the trials are “underpowered,” and many will never enroll enough patients to really yield data.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||11/12/2020|
Temperature checks and symptom checks as offices reopen are awesome, right? Not necessarily. Like daily disinfection of surfaces, it's mostly theater.
[quote]Temperature and COVID-19 symptom checks like the ones used at schools and doctor’s offices have again proved inadequate for spotting coronavirus infections and preventing outbreaks.
[quote]A study of Marine recruits found that despite these measures and strict quarantines before they started training, the recruits spread the virus to others even though hardly any of them had symptoms. None of the infections were caught through symptom screening.
[quote]The study, published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine, has implications for colleges, prisons, meatpacking plants and other places that rely on this sort of screening to detect infections and prevent outbreaks.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||11/12/2020|
This seems appropriate: the Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 tracker is reporting that the daily case total yesterday was 666k.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||11/12/2020|
From CNN, which DL won't let me link to:
"Moderna has finished accumulating data for a first analysis of its Covid-19 vaccine and expects to have an announcement on the vaccine's efficacy by the end of the month, the company said in a statement Wednesday."
|by Anonymous||reply 174||11/12/2020|
Did we really need a doctor to point out that a disease where a huge number of infected people show no symptoms will not be detected or stopped by, ya know, checking for symptoms?
Wear your fucking mask. Don't suck on your fucking fingers. Don't lick things. Don't let people sneeze on your eyeballs. Do we need these things pointed out by a doctor, too?
And, of course there are a shit ton of trials going on for everything anyone can think of to try. That's how it works with a novel virus. You try it all in the hopes of stumbling upon what works. Vitamin D. Steroids. No quick intubation. Blood thinners. Pronation. At some point, all of these started because someone said, "Well, let's try this."
|by Anonymous||reply 175||11/12/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 176||11/12/2020|
Fauci: Coronavirus won't be a pandemic for 'a lot longer' thanks to vaccines
|by Anonymous||reply 177||11/12/2020|
US coronavirus situation is a 'humanitarian disaster,' and the pandemic is only accelerating, experts say
|by Anonymous||reply 178||11/12/2020|
[quote]Don't lick things.
The Datalounge is gonna have trouble with this one.
A LOT of trouble with this one.
|by Anonymous||reply 179||11/12/2020|
Has anyone told the president?
|by Anonymous||reply 180||11/12/2020|
R175, most importantly: stay indoors as far as possible and practice social distancing.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||11/12/2020|
This is so true:
|by Anonymous||reply 182||11/12/2020|
The US needs to go on a full national lockdown now. That's what you've all never realised. Complaining about boomers and people who won't wear masks is besides the point. The only thing that will help is a complete lockdown and stop kidding yourselves that all you need to do is wear a mask and wash your hands frequently.
|by Anonymous||reply 183||11/12/2020|
How many of you actually know the age range for Boomers?
The Boomers that I have contact with took this seriously from day one. They were wearing masks before we were advised, and stayed indoors unless they absolutely had to leave. Ad they still do.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||11/12/2020|
Same here, r184.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||11/12/2020|
Corey Lewandowski, Trump adviser who's been working on efforts to bring lawsuits alleging illegal election activity in specific states, tested positive for COVID yesterday per a person briefed. Lewandowski had been in Philly for days and believes he contracted it there.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||11/12/2020|
So in other words, take a daily multivitamin.
|by Anonymous||reply 187||11/12/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 188||11/12/2020|
Cough, Corey, cough! Cough your guts out, tough guy!
|by Anonymous||reply 189||11/12/2020|
18 - 25 years old is the age category to worry about.
A pricey college education does not come along with a degree in common sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||11/12/2020|
Let these yahoos get it- nature and Darwinism in action!
|by Anonymous||reply 191||11/12/2020|
You know, New York warned EVERYONE 8 months ago about what was going to happen.
Most of America chose to ignore it and instead blame New York.
So pardon me if I don't give a crap about the rising rates of covid and the clogged hospitals across the country now.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||11/12/2020|
What a shock - the first Caribbean cruise since the pandemic hit has reported that a passenger has tested positive
|by Anonymous||reply 193||11/12/2020|
R193 who the fuck would go on a cruise now? Are they mad?
Seriously, even when normal things resume, that is the LAST thing I would be comfortable doing. I would say 3-4 years.
How cheap are they now though?
|by Anonymous||reply 194||11/12/2020|
R183 You’re right, but who’s going to order a national lockdown right now? Certainly not the current president who spends his day ranting and whining on twitter and eating junk food. The federal government needs to pay people to stay home and businesses to close, but it can’t even get a decent stimulus bill together.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||11/12/2020|
One in four deaths in France are due to Covid-19
From Eva Tapiero in Paris
French Prime Minister Jean Castex says one in four deaths currently happening in the country are caused by Covid-19.
“Today in France 1 in 4 deaths is due to the virus” Castex said on Thursday. “France is facing an extremely strong second epidemic wave," he added. Over the past week between 400 and 500 people have died every day, he said.
"It would be irresponsible to lift or lighten lockdown now," Castex continued. “We have decided to keep the rules unchanged for at least the next 15 days."
"For a week now, we have noted a drop in the number of positive cases," the Prime Minister said about the numbers. “If that trend is confirmed, the peak of the second wave could be reached at the beginning of next week.”
He added that measures could be eased starting December 1st, emphasizing that those measures would be limited to reopening some shops, and would exclude the reopening of bars and restaurants. “If that trend [of lower numbers] doesn’t confirm next week, we will take further action.” he added.
Commenting on the increased pressure on the hospital system, Castex said 4,803 patients were currently in intensive care, which is "95% of our usual capacity."
|by Anonymous||reply 196||11/12/2020|
Number of Covid-19 patients in German ICUs reaches all-time high
From CNN's Nadine Schmidt in Berlin
The number of Covid-19 patients admitted to intensive care units in Germany has reached an all-time high.
3,186 Covid-19 patients are being treated in intensive care facilities - the highest number of patients in ICUs since the pandemic began, the German Interdisciplinary Association for Intensive and Emergency Medicine (DIVI) said Thursday.
Earlier this week, DIVI reported that cases had exceeded the levels seen during the initial coronavirus wave, confirming that German hospitals are filling up at high speed.
The data also shows that 56% of patients in ICUs currently need ventilation.
When taking into account patients admitted to ICUs in Germany for other diseases, around 70% of intensive-care capacity facilities in the country are currently occupied.
Despite this, 6,600 ICU beds are still vacant and Germany has a reserve of 12,300 beds it can deploy, including field hospital beds at the Berlin convention center.
But health minister Jens Spahn on Thursday warned that ICUs could be overwhelmed if daily infection rates continue to rise at the current level.
The head of Germany's Robert Koch Institute (RKI) warned earlier on Thursday that the overall number of infections remains “very high” and that he expects hospitals to reach capacity.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||11/12/2020|
Germany's Lufthansa airline runs trial flight with rapid virus tests
From CNN's Nadine Schmidt in Berlin
Germany's largest airline Lufthansa has completed its first test flight where all passengers returned negative Covid-19 results using a rapid antigen test.
The flight was from Munich to Hamburg, the airline said in a statement published Thursday. A second test flight is planned to take passengers from Hamburg to Munich.
"With our test strategy, we are pursuing the goal of using the data obtained to gain important insights into the use of rapid tests,” said Christina Foerster, Lufthansa Group Executive Board Member for Customer, IT & Corporate Responsibility. “Successful testing of entire flights can be the key to revitalizing international air traffic.”
The rapid antigen tests do not detect the Covid-19 pathogen, but can detect proteins associated with it.
Lufthansa said that customers receive their test results within 30 to 60 minutes of being tested.
The airline said that only if the results are negative will a passenger's boarding pass be activated and access to the gate granted.
Passengers not wanting to be tested will be transferred to an alternative flight, the statement added.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||11/12/2020|
When "hotspot" ceases to become a useful concept.
|by Anonymous||reply 199||11/12/2020|
New York City ........ I thought we blame China for Big Pandemic ?
|by Anonymous||reply 200||11/12/2020|
And meanwhile, Trump tells Americans to
[italic] Go Fuck Yourselves
|by Anonymous||reply 201||11/12/2020|
Chicago is shutting down
|by Anonymous||reply 202||11/12/2020|
[quote]Chicago is shutting down
Well, the mayor is asking Chicago to shut down. But her advisory is toothless since there is no enforcement mechanism. I hope people will abide by her rules/suggestions, but I'm not optimistic.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||11/12/2020|
Don Young: Alaska's sole Congressman is poz. He's 87, and "asks for privacy."
He's made jokes about Corona, so Karma is a total bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 204||11/12/2020|
Update: now 5 people on the Caribbean cruise have Covid
|by Anonymous||reply 205||11/12/2020|
Anderson says there’s isn’t one ICU bed left in Utah. Now what?
If this had to happen, I’m glad it happened when Trump was still President. They can blame him and not Biden.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||11/12/2020|
‘Matrix’ cast reportedly skirts Berlin ban on parties by staging one for film
Parties are strictly banned under Germany’s current lockdown, but Keanu Reeves and the rest of the cast and crew of “The Matrix 4” threw themselves a rager near Berlin by allegedly staging a party scene for the movie.
Perhaps living in their own matrix, nearly 200 workers on the movie enjoyed their wrap party at Studio Babelsberg in Potsdam.
They were treated to a pyrotechnics and dance performance, a DJ playing on a packed dance floor, tattoo stations inside caravans, several bars serving wine and sake, a sushi and dessert station (sans red or blue pills) and cushioned Bedouin tents, German newspaper Bild reported.
Reeves and girlfriend Alexandra Grant were seen at the bash with a bottle of wine on their table. “Matrix” franchise creators Lana and Lilly Wachowski were also reportedly there.
One guest told the paper, “The mood was exuberant. There was a rapid [COVID-19] test for everyone in advance. Everyone had to come with a mask, but many didn’t wear them later.”
Germany’s four-week partial lockdown went into effect Nov. 2, shuttering bars, restaurants and theaters and forbidding large gatherings. “The Matrix 4” wrapped days later, so the party was given a code name: “Ice cream team event.”
Studio Babelsberg spokeswoman Bianca Makarewicz told Bild: “According to the production, it was the last day of shooting. It was a celebration scene … Hygiene requirements were adhered to.” She added, “The production deliberately put this shoot with many people involved at the end of the shoot.” But there was no filming during the party, guests said. The movie’s distributor, Warner Bros., did not comment.
According to the local health department, “indoor events are only allowed after registration, with an approved hygiene concept and a maximum of 50 people with masks and distance.” A spokesman for Potsdam added that no event was registered, and its health department is examining photos of the packed party published by Bild.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||11/12/2020|
I feel like every day now I'm seeing some set is being shut down for two weeks thanks to a poz COVID diagnosis.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||11/12/2020|
[bold]Utah Valley Hospital strained by conspiracy theorists trying to enter ICU[/bold]
PROVO – Utah Valley Hospital says a handful of conspiracy theorists recently tried to get into their intensive care unit.
Hospital administrator Kyle Hansen told the Provo City Council this week that about five people have attempted to get inside because they question whether the ICU is as full as some say.
A few of them also brought video cameras.
"We have individuals trying to sneak into the hospital to visualize and videotape this themselves," Hansen said.
So far, it seems no one has been successful getting in.
However, Hansen said what the conspiracy theorists did has forced the hospital to take extra precautions when it comes to visitors and people being admitted.
"You really can only get in if you're here for an appointment yourself or you have to be listed in a log that we track as a designated visitor for a patient. But we've had some people get pretty creative in how they've lied about coming in for an appointment or other things," Hansen said.
more at link
|by Anonymous||reply 209||11/12/2020|
Karmala’s coming to get you, Donald .........
|by Anonymous||reply 210||11/12/2020|
Elon Musk says he tested both positive and negative twice for COVID-19 in one day and claims 'something extremely bogus' is happening
The Tesla boss, who has previously described lockdown measures as 'fascist', tweeted late Thursday to reveal he had conflicting test results that day.
'Something extremely bogus is going on. Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse. Rapid antigen test from BD,' the 49-year-old tweeted, possibly referring to Becton Dickinson's rapid antigen test.
The FDA says that negative results from BD's 15-minute nasal swab test should be treated with utmost caution and had to verified by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests - considered to be the 'gold standard' of Covid-19 testing.
Musk responded to a series of comments from followers where he revealed he was suffering 'typical cold' symptoms and warned 'if it's happening to me, it's happening to others'.
According to the FDA, BD's test identifies 84 percent of those with coronavirus. This means that 16 percent of those with the virus would not be identified by the test.
Their documentation for the BD test warns that even a positive result 'indicates the presence of viral antigens, but clinical correlation with patient history and other diagnostic information is necessary to determine infection status.'
As regards a negative result, it says: 'Negative results are presumptive. Negative test results do not preclude infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment ... It is recommended that these results be confirmed by a molecular testing method.'
BD, which is one of the major suppliers of COVID-19 antigen tests, said in September it was investigating reports from US nursing homes that its rapid coronavirus testing equipment was producing false-positive results.
Earlier this month, the FDA said it was alerting clinical laboratory staff and healthcare providers that false positive results can occur with COVID-19 antigen tests.
Several Twitter followers joined in Musk's discussion questioning the inaccuracies and asking about the eccentric entrepreneur's symptoms.
'Could this be why we've been seeing such a major spike?' one person wrote.
'If it's happening to me, it's happening to others. I'm getting PCR tests from separate labs. Results will take about 24 hours,' Musk wrote.
'Symptoms of a typical cold. Nothing unusual so far,' he replied to another about his condition.
Musk then seemed to take a swipe at companies developing the tests, responding 'exactly' to someone who wrote that the 'revenues from tests are likely not bogus & very consistent.'
In a follow-up tweet Musk then added: 'The carousel turns ever faster.'
Musk has repeatedly downplayed the extent of the virus which has so far killed more than 242,000 Americans.
|by Anonymous||reply 211||11/12/2020|
R165 Words cannot convey my sympathy for what most of the world is going through.
I'm lucky enough to live in a part of the world that has been spared by this insidious virus for a number of reasons and one of them is purely luck.
I've been posting on these threads since the first that started in January (I was one of the people advising people to stock up on long last essential items). I thought what we are seeing know would have occurred sooner but it is very clear that the virus is entrenched in most parts of the world and is basically unremovable until such time as there is a vaccine.
I feel so sorry for Joe Biden inheriting this mess from Trump that didn't have to be. The US was in a good position to have really held up a good national fight against the virus but turd Trump clearly wasn't interested.
What can Biden do. Firstly, he should demand that all states close their borders. No crossing except in exceptional circumstances. Whilst he probably can't make the individual states go into lockdown he could offer financial initiatives to those that do. Law enforcement needs to really get tough - that includes the police, the National Guard & Army Services all involved in manning borders and fining and arresting people who will not comply. I appreciate that that is going to be really difficult in same states (probably most of the Trump states). This is where is gets hard because to take control of the virus you have to have most of the population with you. Also, lockdowns in the US (not to mention Europe) would have to go on for months and months.
For example if you look at Melbourne which had a lockdown for 111 days and still have all sorts of restrictions there highest daily rate of infection was I think 712 for a state population of about 7 million people. Really child's play compared to what is happening in the US and Europe right now. To be honest I don't even think it is possible for the US (and Europe) to turn this around until there is a vaccine. In reality they can but there are too many people who will resist what needs to be done (very long lockdown, shutting down of borders, not just state but international) and the people that are allowed to cross borders must be quarantined in hotels or other facilities that can hold large number of people and they need to be guarded by police/national guard/army, etc.
It is a really big ask but to be honest I think the planet at large lost their opportunity to avoid what has happened in January. As soon as Wuhan was locked down the whole planet should have done the same. Instead most countries leaders stuck their heads in the ground.
And make no mistake. Leaders across the globe were told in January what was going to happen - the worst scenario was laid out to them all. Most appear to have hoped it would just go away.
|by Anonymous||reply 212||11/12/2020|
I was thinking about this earlier today. Maybe Covid is a blessing in disguise. I know, that sounds awful, but hear me out. If we had all locked down right away and it never spread, we would end up in a 'cried wolf' situation and the world would never, ever lock down again. Covid is a relatively non-lethal virus. Highly, highly infectious but asymptomatic in much of the population with a relatively low death rate that is, for the most part, age-linked.
The next virus might not be so forgiving. One day we will be hit by a pandemic with death rates more Ebola like than Covid like. Maybe this is our practice pandemic. You can be sure that the next time there is talk of some small town in China or the middle of Africa or some island in the Pacific shutting down because of some strange illness spreading across their population, the world will fucking react. Maybe that will save us from an extinction level virus in the future.
Additionally, the technology developed to come up with rapid vaccine formation may well change the world of immunology forever.
Bright sides, right?
|by Anonymous||reply 213||11/12/2020|
Oh, honey, by the time the next pandemic rolls around, it won't matter. This planet is doomed.
|by Anonymous||reply 214||11/13/2020|
What's strange r211 is that Elon Musk was able to have the same antigen test four times in one day, and just for typical cold systems. Those rapid antigen tests are notoriously unreliable, which is why they haven't been rolled out everywhere the world over so we could get back to our lives (imagine if a 15-minute test really could reveal if one is positive or negative).
If Musk really wanted to know if he had Covid, he should have had a PCR test. Surely if this really was a conspiracy then the hospital would have given him the same results each time.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||11/13/2020|
R214 True. Climate change is no laughing matter and it hasn't been taking a break this year.
|by Anonymous||reply 216||11/13/2020|
I'm in the film industry, and I have had the spit PCR test (2 days result) 3 days a week on one job, and the shallow nasal swab PCR test (2 days result) on another job 2 days before starting. The second job also has us do the shallow nasal test every morning, with results in 10 minutes. So far both productions have been virus free.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||11/13/2020|
[quote]My hands look like mummy hands.
|by Anonymous||reply 218||11/13/2020|
♿ God Bless Us Everyone
|by Anonymous||reply 219||11/13/2020|
Retards lament :(
|by Anonymous||reply 220||11/13/2020|
🤣 I thought Trump was the man with the plan ?
We were never, ever going to run out of PPE, ventilators, or hospital beds.
We were the country that led the world in manufacturing, and supplying the entire continent with whatever they needed. Everybody loved us!
Somebody check the White House basement...........
|by Anonymous||reply 221||11/13/2020|
[quote]Somebody check the White House basement...........
Oh, you don't want to do that!
You really, really don't want to do that.
Trust me. I know you hate me, but trust me on this.
|by Anonymous||reply 222||11/13/2020|
I’ve been messaging family about what to get the nieces and nephews for Christmas. And one of my sisters replied “Did Mom tell you I tested positive yesterday?”
She’s an essential worker with underlying conditions and she’s been super careful. It really pisses me off that she’s got it, because other people are careless pigs.
I have a lot of siblings so I guess it isn’t surprising that this is the second infection amongst them, but after all the people in my life who were sick in the spring I was hoping the rest of us would make it to the vaccine.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||11/13/2020|
I recall way back when Corona first exploded into a full blown pandemic, and posters were commenting that this virus would forever change our lives? The DataLounge lynch mob was ready to hang them in the DL Town Square.
I wonder if any of those non believers are still roaming this earth?
|by Anonymous||reply 224||11/13/2020|
These stats are just devastating:
- The U.S. reported a record 153.5k new cases yesterday, up from 125.7k a week ago. The 7-day rolling average is now ~130k cases a day. The overall positivity rate has climbed to 9.1%.
- The U.S. reported 919 deaths yesterday. [As with Wednesday's number, this number from JHU is out of sync with other trackers, low by 200 to 300 deaths. Wednesday's JHU death report was adjusted downward from 2,005 to 1,381.] We are on track to hit 250,000 deaths sometime next week.
- The U.S. reported a record 67,096 people hospitalized with the virus yesterday. The number of people hospitalized has nearly doubled in the past two weeks, increasing in 47 states. "Hospitalizations have broken the previous national record and are rising very quickly in every US region—something we’ve never seen before. In fact, hospitalizations are now rising more quickly than we’ve ever seen outside of a brief period in late March. The past three days have seen increases larger than any single day since mid-April."
- According to the White House Task Force, 20 states have a positivity rate of 10% or higher. Iowa, South Dakota, Wyoming, Idaho, and Kansas all have positivity rates over 30%.
- According to the Covid Exit Strategy site, no state is Trending Better (-1 from last week), Hawaii and Vermont are the only states that are Caution Warranted (+1 from last week, as Vermont moved into this category), Maine is the only state that is Trending Poorly (-5), and 47 states are Uncontrolled Spread (+5).
- California has become the second state to hit 1,000,000 confirmed cases, second only to Texas.
- Illinois leads the nation in daily number of cases the past week, with over 10,000 cases a day since November 5th and a rolling 7-day average of over 11,000.
- "Chicago has issued a stay-at-home advisory [for 30 days], as Covid-19 cases continue to rise throughout the city. According to a release announcing the advisory, residents are encouraged to stay at home, only leaving for school or work and for essential needs. That includes seeking medical care, grocery shopping, going to the pharmacy, and picking up food."
|by Anonymous||reply 225||11/13/2020|
Hospital capacity is a real concern and going to get worse, at least partially because this time it's universal. The prior spikes were regional, which meant that other regions had the capacity to send help. This time, it's national.
[quote]This matters a lot. Symptomatic case fatality rate when there is sufficient hospital capacity is about 1.7%. This will vary by a function of individual characteristics, treatment technology availability, learning and luck. ... HOWEVER if there is insufficient hospital capacity available, fatality rates increase significantly and quickly. A lot of people who would be saveable won’t live through a hospitalization.
[quote]In the April and July surges, the hospital demand peaks were localized. National reserves and resources could be deployed. There were jets full of nurses and doctors flying into metro New York for three and four week tours to supplement and relieve local trained staff. Flights headed down to Florida, Texas and Arizona from the Northeast over the summer to do the same. The first two surges were accompanied by regions of the country with significant slack. There was flex in the system. ...
[quote]There are no big states with low case counts and large medical complexes that are underutilized. If regions have their hospitals overrun, fatality rates will quickly spike. Reserves and deployable resources that added skilled, trained staff to extend surge capacity in the first two waves may not be readily available.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||11/13/2020|
[quote] I recall way back when Corona first exploded into a full blown pandemic, and posters were commenting that this virus would forever change our lives? The DataLounge lynch mob was ready to hang them in the DL Town Square. I wonder if any of those non believers are still roaming this earth?
As someone who has been following these threads since early on, I've noticed that you seem to come on here every couple months with this same bullshit. You're a very petty person. Who cares? With all that's happened in the past year, THIS is what keeps you up at night? Let it go.
|by Anonymous||reply 227||11/13/2020|
Over 100 Secret Service agents have the coronavirus
Thanks, Typhoid Trumpy
|by Anonymous||reply 228||11/13/2020|
So can you get COVID more than once?
|by Anonymous||reply 229||11/13/2020|
Like everything else in this particular thread r228, that is mind-bogglingly horrible.
Our current government has given up.
Thank you all for the valuable information.
I don't pray ElderLez, but you and yours are in my thoughts.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||11/13/2020|
[quote]Our current government has given up.
No worries, Congresswoman-elect Marjorie Taylor Greene will be on the job in January:
|by Anonymous||reply 231||11/13/2020|
R229, yes you can.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||11/13/2020|
I think I'm just gonna go back to bed.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||11/13/2020|
R223 Sorry to hear about your sister, EL.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||11/13/2020|
'Merica is truly the smartest/dumbest place on earth! What a dichotomy! AGAIN the situation in Europe was a sign of what was to come! Today, France reported 932 deaths!!! Why are so MANY Americans oblivious to the obvious danger that is heading their way? We will certainly pass 500K deaths before we know it. 1-3M deaths is now possible EVEN with a vaccine!!! Dr. Fauci said that the "cavalry is on the way" but I think that even he is underestimating the stupidity of this country. AND it is only going to get much, much worse with Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's just around the corner. We already exceeded 140K cases yesterday. What a fucking disgrace!
|by Anonymous||reply 235||11/13/2020|
According to Worldometer there are now +30K serious/critical cases in the US v. 19K yesterday!!! Hoping that this is a mistake but not at all surprised. Serious/critical cases lead to more deaths , despite the better treatments that some have talked about on the threads
|by Anonymous||reply 236||11/13/2020|
R229/R232, yes, it’s possible but so far it seems to be an extremely rare occurence.
|by Anonymous||reply 237||11/13/2020|
We're not sure if PawPaw's health got worser 'cause of the China Flu or the Georgia decision (he's 86). Anyways, he's just sicker than a dog that ate roadkill. We are lifting him up in prayer to the Good Lord to get him better-- and to have President Trump have 4 more year.
|by Anonymous||reply 238||11/13/2020|
"Hospitals have put their pandemic plans into action, adding more beds and creating makeshift COVID-19 wards. But in the hardest-hit areas, there are simply not enough doctors, nurses, and other specialists to staff those beds. Some health-care workers told me that COVID-19 patients are the sickest people they’ve ever cared for: They require twice as much attention as a typical intensive-care-unit patient, for three times the normal length of stay. “It was doable over the summer, but now it’s just too much,” says Whitney Neville, a nurse based in Iowa. “Last Monday we had 25 patients waiting in the emergency department. They had been admitted but there was no one to take care of them.” I asked her how much slack the system has left. “There is none,” she said.
In the imminent future, patients will start to die because there simply aren’t enough people to care for them. Doctors and nurses will burn out. The most precious resource the U.S. health-care system has in the struggle against COVID-19 isn’t some miracle drug. It’s the expertise of its health-care workers—and they are exhausted."
|by Anonymous||reply 239||11/13/2020|
"Massive Indoor Water Park Opens in Round Rock the Same Week Texas Surpasses Million Covid Cases"
|by Anonymous||reply 240||11/13/2020|
Italy reports record 40,000 new Covid-19 cases in 24 hours
From CNN's Livia Borghese in Rome
Italian authorities have reported more than 40,000 new Covid-19 infections in the past 24 hours, the largest daily increase since the pandemic started.
There were 40,902 new cases on Friday, data from the Italian Health Ministry showed. The total number of infections in Italy is now at 1,107,303.
Authorities also reported 550 additional deaths from the coronavirus, with the total death toll from the virus rising to 44,139.
The record in daily infections comes despite the infection rate having decreased slightly, according to the head of the prevention department at the Italian Health ministry, Gianni Rezza. It is the “first sign of the decrease in transmission that could be attributed to the (containment) measures that have been taken,” he said.
Hospital admissions rise: Rezza said the rising number of people being admitted to hospitals justified “further restrictive measures that need to be taken in those regions that have a higher risk.” An additional 60 patients were admitted to intensive care units across the country, prompting the government to add several regions to its “red zone” list, including Campania and Tuscany. The two regions will see increased anti-coronavirus restrictions come into effect on Sunday.
In Campania, the Mayor of Naples Luigi Deagistris pre-empted the government announcement and called for help.
“We now require immediate economic help from the government,” he said. As he spoke, anti-lockdown protesters could be seen taking to the streets of Naples.
The regions of Emilia-Romagna, Friuli Venezia Giulia and Marche, were also moved up in the risk category, going from yellow into orange. Italy now has six regions classified as red zones, nine as orange and five as yellow zones.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||11/13/2020|
Financial Times: "Do not judge Sweden until the autumn. That was the message from its state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell in May and through the summer as he argued that Sweden’s initial high death toll from Covid-19 would be followed in the second wave by 'a high level of immunity and the number of cases will probably be quite low'.
Now the autumn is here, and hospitalisations from Covid-19 are currently rising faster in Sweden than in any other country in Europe, while in Stockholm — the centre for both the first and second waves in the country — one in every five tests is positive, suggesting the virus is even more widespread than official figures suggest."
|by Anonymous||reply 242||11/13/2020|
NYC mayor urges state to reevaluate closing bars, restaurants
From CNN’s Jonathan Kubiak
As bars, gyms, and restaurants prepare for the first night with a 10pm state-mandated curfew, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said that the closure of these establishments needs to be “reassessed.”
“Even though the state makes the ultimate decisions here on the industry issues, I’m very cognizant of the fact that we have to keep people’s livelihoods in mind here,” the mayor said Friday morning on WNYC’s The Brian Lehrer Show.
“The question is really how we balance the bigger factor,” said the mayor. "I don’t want people to think that [closing] indoor dining and gyms are the magical solution to all of our problems because, in fact, our test-and-trace operation is not showing, you know, the kind of impact from those locales that you have seen in other places around the country; we have something much more generalized here.”
Instead, the mayor suggested that holiday travel will be much more impactful in determining the future of governmental response to the coronavirus. “We talk about restaurants or gyms, but much more decisive will be if we can successfully limit travel and limit indoor gatherings” during the upcoming holiday season."
|by Anonymous||reply 243||11/13/2020|
Over 154K cases now reported in the US. Sadly, the WORST is still yet to come.+200K in the coming weeks..Please wear your masks DL and tell YOUR family and friends to do the same. Fuck Chump and his supporters!
|by Anonymous||reply 244||11/13/2020|
R230 and R234/Sylvia thank you.
I took the day off from work, but it’s been raining so addition to preparing for Christmas I finally called a law firm regarding applying for Canadian dual citizenship. ( Dad was born there.) Anyway now that I know the price the next step was calling the two brothers who are applying with me to see if they were still on board. I got in touch with the brother who is a small business owner in Utah first and he started with “I guess Mom told you.” And I said “About (sister)?” Well no, that wasn’t it. He had a significant work exposure, mostly masked but still. He’s been quarantining all week and getting tested probably now as I type. I haven’t heard back from the other brother yet. Of course the other brother is a live-in supervisor of a congregate living facility and probably the most at risk of any of us.
Thank goodness we also went wine shopping today.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||11/13/2020|
If DeBlasio is so worried about the economy in NYC, maybe he could give back the funds his cunt wife grifted from the city and spread them around to people who actually need them.
|by Anonymous||reply 246||11/13/2020|
AP: The governors of Oregon and New Mexico ordered near-lockdowns Friday in the most aggressive response yet to the latest wave of coronavirus infections shattering records across the U.S., even as many of their counterparts in other states show little appetite for reimposing the hard-line restrictions of last spring.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||11/13/2020|
What percentage chance do you think Biden will impose a national lockdown shortly after he gets sworn in?
|by Anonymous||reply 248||11/13/2020|
I believe the chance of a national lockdown is inevitable.
So many have chosen to ignore the pleas of government and health officials all summer and fall. I'm sure they're not going to exercise any more common sense for Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year's. The count is escalating so rapidly now, I can only imagine what it will be like by the time Biden inherits Trump's unholy mess.
If Trump can't rule the world for another four years, he'll do everything possible to destroy this nation before Biden's inauguration.
Donald Trump is pure evil, and, as DataLounge says "Worse than Hitler." He keeps getting away without so much as a slap on the wrist. Is he ever going pay for his crimes?
|by Anonymous||reply 249||11/13/2020|
Yes I think there will be, on cnbc, they were saying that if biden's elected, there will be a national lockdown, this was before the election...
But I don't think it will work and impossible to enforce.
|by Anonymous||reply 250||11/13/2020|
R229 Officially the jury is still out on that one. There have been a few reported cases around the world but not many.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||11/13/2020|
Seen on the web:
If the coming lockdowns are going to massively change the way you’re living, the way you’re living is the reason for the coming lockdowns.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||11/13/2020|
Love it R252
|by Anonymous||reply 253||11/13/2020|
Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak tests positive for COVID-19
CARSON CITY, Nev. — Nevada Gov. Steve Sisolak on Friday said he has tested positive for COVID-19 as the virus surges to record levels in the state and across the U.S.
The 66-year-old Democrat is the fifth governor to report testing positive for the coronavirus this year. Three governors, two Republicans in Missouri and Oklahoma, and one Democrat in Virginia contracted COVID-19 this year. Ohio’s Republican Gov. Mike DeWine tested positive in August but received a negative test a few hours later. DeWine tested positive using a rapid test before testing negative later that day after using a more sensitive laboratory-developed test.
Sisolak said he was not experiencing any symptoms on a call with reporters and was swabbed for a rapid test on Friday morning as a matter of routine. After it yielded a positive result, he also underwent molecular testing and his sample is still being processed.
“I’m a little tired, but I’ve been tired since March when we started fighting COVID,” Sisolak said. “I think this just puts a spotlight on the fact that you can take all the precautions that are possible and you can still contract the virus. I don’t know how I got it, but we’re going to quarantine and get through it.”
Sisolak is the third person in his office to test positive for the virus. Last week, the governor’s office announced an unnamed Carson City-based staffer who had not been in close contact with Sisolak but had tested positive for the virus. In early October, Sisolak’s COVID-19 response director Caleb Cage also tested positive.
Sisolak’s announcement comes on a day that Nevada reported 1,857 additional coronavirus cases, the highest single-day total since the start of the pandemic.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||11/13/2020|
Massachusetts governor says "innocent acts of small gatherings" driving spread of Covid-19
From CNN’s Melissa Alonso
Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker said Covid-19 spread is occurring mostly in casual settings among people who know each other. "The innocent acts of small gatherings, is where Covid is finding its greatest opportunities [to] spread," Baker said at a coronavirus briefing Friday. "
Tracing an outbreak: "Most people at work are doing all the right things" and schools have proven to be "relatively safe," said Baker. But he said one cluster of cases, traced back to a youth hockey tournament, was caused by more than 12 hours of socializing among kids and parents, adding that it "wasn't so much the actual act of playing youth hockey that created the very significant cluster across New England.”
"The simple truth is, this expansion of people's social circles, and this desire to get back to something like normal, is a big part of what's driving case growth, and ultimately hospitalizations, not just here in Massachusetts, but across the country," Baker said.
"People need to change their behavior and get serious," he added.
|by Anonymous||reply 255||11/13/2020|
I don't actually recall this alleged "DataLounge lynch mob".
|by Anonymous||reply 256||11/13/2020|
Looking at the catastrophic situation in Europe it is clear now that this is not just about Trump or anti-mask deplorables but the whole western entitled/selfish/stubborn mindset .
Asian countries like Japan, Korea , Taiwan , Thailand , Vietnam etc all so far have manage it well.
|by Anonymous||reply 257||11/13/2020|
Their cases are rising and they are barely testing. Their Government have a mindset that the Olympics are happening next year.
Thailand has barely done any testing. They have been lucky so far but it will run out. See Malaysia.
South Korean numbers are starting to rise after hovering about a 7 days average of about 100 cases. They really need to introduce a mini lockdown (like 2 to 4 weeks) and they'll pretty much snuff it out. They do have an excellent world class test, trace & isolate process.
Vietnam is a dictatorship but like South Korea have an excellent world class text, trace & isolate process.
Taiwan knew about the virus in December and took action straight away - being an island also helps.
Europe never stood a chance - open borders and huge movement of people. Ditto the US (not the open borders but huge movement of people internally) under the leadership (I use that word very loosely) of Donald Trump. I doubt a Hilary Clinton led Government would have been able to stop the virus in the tracks but the number of cases and deaths would have been way, way, way, way lower.
Singapore & Hong Kong have also done very well.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||11/14/2020|
The second wave of the 1918-20 Influenza Pandemic was astronomically worse than the first.
History is repeating itself.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||11/14/2020|
Anybody know what the real death toll is. As I type this Worldometers states 1,311,758 but we all know the figure is higher but by how much?
Also, there are all the deaths that are not due to COVID but relate to not getting medical treatment for heart attacks, strokes, cancer, etc for fear of catching COVID.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||11/14/2020|
R259 True though completely different worlds now. Due to all the travel I really did expect this to explode everywhere March/April but it only happened in certain places and then countries went into lockdown which to be honest never entered my mind that they would do that.
One of the differences with 1918-20 virus and this one is that the one from 100 years ago simply ended up getting weaker after a couple of years - never actually went away just changed and stopped killing people.
COVID-19 is way more stable so its unlikely to mutate very much or take a lot longer to do it.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||11/14/2020|
R257 or perhaps some immunity due to prior exposures ? Cross reactive? T-cells? The Southern Hemisphere doesn’t seem to be as badly effected. There is more to the story than “western selfishness”
Locking down countries isn’t normal in free societies. I am very concerned at what Is to come. Thank you DL for being here.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||11/14/2020|
[quote]Locking down countries isn’t normal in free societies.
Neither is letting a virus rampage unchecked through a free society.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||11/14/2020|
I think the article posted above about 'slack' in our healthcare system is the most worrying. Today is a completely different scenario with infections in so many states and in so many rural areas as well.
So many people were lulled into this false sense of security with all the news of 'we know better how to treat it now' and with lower amounts of infection over the summer.
Well, now we're poised to truly test the limits of our healthcare system and it doesn't look good.
Watch - there's going to be all these Trumpsters showing up to hospitals, demanding service for their loved ones and calling it a conspiracy when there's no room for them.
Funny how easily my anxiety from the election has so quickly switched to full on COVID anxiety. I HATE sounding like an alarmist, but what's the upside? Seriously - what can we point to (not the vaccine) that should make us less worried?
|by Anonymous||reply 264||11/14/2020|
[quote]what can we point to (not the vaccine) that should make us less worried?
I'm slightly optimistic that media coverage of upcoming field hospitals being built and black body bags being loaded into semi trucks in hospital parking lots will convince at least some of the nay-sayers that this is real and they should at least wear a mask.
|by Anonymous||reply 265||11/14/2020|
r258 You're right cases in Asian countries cases fluctuated from time to time but still much MUCH better than the European Horror Stories currently happening now. Until the vaccine arrives Europe ( and the Americas ) will remain in lockdown purgatory again and again..
|by Anonymous||reply 266||11/14/2020|
r218. The CV officers and signs on set advise to wash or use hand sanitizer every 20 minutes. Since I'm in a Red Zone group (we work closely with the actors, who are mask free when on camera), I probably use hand sanitizer every 5-10 minutes.
|by Anonymous||reply 267||11/14/2020|
I have a friends who are a married couple with a young son in Taiwan. Per their IG, they've been maskless, hanging out with large groups of friends and traveling out of Taiwan for months.
|by Anonymous||reply 268||11/14/2020|
R260 For comparisons, here's a link to Roylab Stats. I've noticed several networks report different numbers, especially CNN, as they always seem to be catching up to what is available online.
It's hard to remain positive in Illinois. Since we surpassed 10K new cases per day, then 12K for several days, then 13K , then over 15K yesterday, I am afraid to look this morning.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||11/14/2020|
R268 - wouldn't you take your masks off for photos with your family?
|by Anonymous||reply 270||11/14/2020|
Thanks for the clarification r267! I asked because I seem to have a strong reaction to hand sanitizer. If I use it more than once a day my hands turn red and burn and itch like crazy. This is followed by a rash with open sores. I have found no hand lotion that helps.
I wash my hands now instead of using sanitizer.
|by Anonymous||reply 271||11/14/2020|
Soap and water is more effective anyway, R271.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||11/14/2020|
R266, I'm in Europe and, while the situation is inconvenient, it's hardly a horror story.
|by Anonymous||reply 273||11/14/2020|
Trump has flat out lied about Corona, and the seriousness of the virus. He encourages rebellion and bad behavior. He's also repeatedly lied, and continues to lie about our preparedness to handle this out of control virus. This is an American problem by a president who takes pride in wreaking havoc. He's destroying America.
|by Anonymous||reply 274||11/14/2020|
R271, there are a variety of anti-microbial sprays, which are just about as effective and which are much more gentle on the skin. They even make them as face sprays to help prevent eye transmission.
|by Anonymous||reply 275||11/14/2020|
Minnesota GOP sent virus alert only to its side of the aisle.
[quote]A day after it was revealed that GOP state Sen. Dave Senjem tested positive for COVID-19 after attending a Nov. 5 party caucus, news broke that Republican senators and staffers were informed in a Tuesday memo that “a number of [GOP Senate] members and staff have been diagnosed with COVID-19.”
[quote]Democrat lawmakers were not informed of the rash of cases on the other side of the aisle prior to Thursday's floor session.
Sociopaths, the lot of them.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||11/14/2020|
The second wave of the Spanish flu virus was worst than the first ........
Too bad we haven't learned anything over the past 100 years about being smart and sensible. And less selfish.
|by Anonymous||reply 277||11/14/2020|
I was telling someone about the Mechanical Hound in the novel Fahrenheit 451, which chases down fugitives and gives them a lethal injection, and they suggested we use something like it on anti-vaxxers.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||11/14/2020|
R218, I wear latex gloves, a size larger, not skin tight. I have hand sanitizer with me and wash my gloves thoroughly with sanitizer every time I go to a different store, or enter my car. I wipe down the steering wheel with sanitizer or bleach wipes, when I could get them.
The only place I had to remove my gloves and use sanitizer on my bare hands was in some doctors’ offices.
Also, get some lotion and use it after every shower every day. Use something like Bag Balm. You can also use Vaseline, then put socks on your hands afterwards at bedtime. Don’t use fragranced lotion for a situation when you have to use it all the time. Even olive oil is better for your hands, and if you’re having an allergic reaction you could try that, very few people are allergic to olive oil. I’ve also found putting olive oil on bread and eating it makes my skin naturally moister. Oil of Olay is also very gentle.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||11/14/2020|
Sorry, that post at R279 was for R217. ^^
|by Anonymous||reply 280||11/14/2020|
183,625 new cases reported in the US yesterday.
|by Anonymous||reply 281||11/14/2020|
I’m pretty much locked down now, except for absolute necessities. At what point can you just not go out at all? 200,000 a day? 300,000 a day? I’m pretty sure by the time my elective surgery is scheduled in December, it’s going to be cancelled.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||11/14/2020|
And they all laughed at Tony when he said it would be as high as 100K.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||11/14/2020|
So deadly and yet ...the House is having a big dinner party. Be sure to not have a family dinner or see grandma though😒😒😒
|by Anonymous||reply 284||11/14/2020|
R284, I can’t believe the Dems are agreeing to this, too…Do none of them see how that undermines their message that people shouldn’t meet up for Thanksgiving?
|by Anonymous||reply 285||11/14/2020|
[quote]Democrat lawmakers were not informed of the rash of cases on the other side of the aisle prior to Thursday's floor session.
The one thing I have learned from 2020 is that there is nothing "common" about common human decency.
|by Anonymous||reply 286||11/14/2020|
Austria to go into second national lockdown as Covid-19 cases grow 10 times as fast as expected
From CNN's Lindsay Isaac
Austria will enter a second national lockdown on Tuesday for at least two and a half weeks, after its target infection rate of Covid-19 exploded to 10 times higher than expected.
Chancellor Sebastian Kurz announced the measures in a press conference in Vienna on Saturday, admitting the government is failing to trace new infections.
“The truth is that the authorities are now no longer able to trace 77% of new infections, which means that the authorities no longer know where these infections take place,” he said.
Under the new measures, all non-essential services will close, schools will close and classes will go online, and people are asked not to leave their homes unless for a specific reason. The lockdown will be in place until December 6.
“In Austria we currently have an average infection rate of more than 7000 per day. In most federal states the numbers are even increasing exponentially, for example in Upper Austria,” Kurz said.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||11/14/2020|
Poland reports record coronavirus deaths
From CNN’s Duarte Mendonca and Artur Osinski
Poland reported a record high 548 coronavirus-related deaths on Saturday, the health ministry said on Twitter.
There have been 10,045 deaths in the country, the highest in eastern Europe, according to Johns Hopkins University data.
JHU also reported 25,571 new cases in the past 24 hours, bringing the total number to 691,118.
|by Anonymous||reply 288||11/14/2020|
Recovering Covid-19 patients struggle to return to normal after hospital discharge, study finds
From CNN's Shelby Lin Erdman and Jacqueline Howard
Surviving Covid-19 is hard enough for those who get severely ill from the disease, but returning to normal is a struggle, too, according to new research that found survivors were likely to face health and financial hardships even months later.
A team of scientists led by Dr. Vineet Chopra of the University of Michigan Health System looked at 488 Covid-19 patients treated and released from hospitals in Michigan. They surveyed them about two months after their release, between March 16 and July 1.
Lasting effects beyond hospitalization: A third of the survivors reported ongoing health issues, such as cough, new or worsening conditions and persistent loss of taste or smell, the researchers reported this week in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine.
Nearly half said they were "emotionally affected" by their illness and a small number, 28, sought mental health care after discharge.
Financial impact: Another 36% reported "at least a mild financial impact from their hospitalization." Of those employed before their illness, 40% said they either lost their job or were too sick to return to work. Just over a quarter of those who returned to work reported reduced hours or modified responsibilities.
"For most patients who survived, ongoing morbidity, including the inability to return to normal activities, physical and emotional symptoms, and financial loss, was common," Chopra's team wrote.
"These data confirm that the toll of Covid-19 extends well beyond hospitalization," the study concluded.
|by Anonymous||reply 289||11/14/2020|
Other countries' inability to control the Pandemic gave permission to any white American to vote for Trump, guilt-free.
|by Anonymous||reply 290||11/14/2020|
I have an opportunity to possibly participate in the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine trial here in Pittsburgh. Should I?
|by Anonymous||reply 291||11/14/2020|
I have it.
|by Anonymous||reply 292||11/14/2020|
Oh no VOTN!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 293||11/14/2020|
R292 How are you coping? Just before Halloween, a sixty-two year old friend was involved in an outbreak at her work, , and received her positive results on Halloween... thankfully before she had planned on passing out candy in her building. Thankfully she only experienced a slight tickle in her throat, and is already back to work. I hope things go as easily for you.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||11/14/2020|
R291, an individual decision for sure, but I'm participating in the Pfizer/BioNTech trial, and it's been a positive experience.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||11/14/2020|
“Now, a new example concerns the controversy over point-of-care antibody testing for covid-19.8 The prime minister’s Operation Moonshot depends on immediate and wide availability of accurate rapid diagnostic tests.9 It also depends on the questionable logic of mass screening—currently being trialled in Liverpool with a suboptimal PCR test.1011
The incident relates to research published this week by The BMJ, which finds that the government procured an antibody test that in real world tests falls well short of performance claims made by its manufacturers.1213 Researchers from Public Health England and collaborating institutions sensibly pushed to publish their study findings before the government committed to buying a million of these tests but were blocked by the health department and the prime minister’s office.14 Why was it important to procure this product without due scrutiny? Prior publication of research on a preprint server or a government website is compatible with The BMJ’s publication policy. As if to prove a point, Public Health England then unsuccessfully attempted to block The BMJ’s press release about the research paper.
Politicians often claim to follow the science, but that is a misleading oversimplification. Science is rarely absolute. It rarely applies to every setting or every population. It doesn’t make sense to slavishly follow science or evidence. A better approach is for politicians, the publicly appointed decision makers, to be informed and guided by science when they decide policy for their public. But even that approach retains public and professional trust only if science is available for scrutiny and free of political interference, and if the system is transparent and not compromised by conflicts of interest.“
|by Anonymous||reply 296||11/14/2020|
[quote][R292] How are you coping?
Honestly, I feel fine. Well, that's overselling it, but I have a very mild cough and sore throat, and my body is achy, but not much more than it normally is from my RA.
I was frankly shocked by the results. I only went for the testing (waited on line for two hours at CityMD) because there's been a bit out an outbreak in my department over the last few weeks.
There was some dizzy queen who decided to hold court to the people being responsible and getting tested, and let us sheeple know about the Big Pharma Fake Pandemic. I got into a shouting match with him.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||11/14/2020|
Save your voice VOTN, he is not worth it.
|by Anonymous||reply 298||11/14/2020|
Not news to anyone here, but I liked the phrase, "Better a late Christmas than an early medical catastrophe."
|by Anonymous||reply 299||11/14/2020|
r20- they had a photo of them with at least 20 friends, all maskless and every body bunched in together.
|by Anonymous||reply 300||11/14/2020|
[quote]Save your voice VOTN, he is not worth it.
Probably not, but I did get a "Bye, Felicia" deployed appropriately.
|by Anonymous||reply 301||11/14/2020|
[quote] I have an opportunity to possibly participate in the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine trial here in Pittsburgh. Should I?
I'm sure you've thought about all the pros and cons already, Sylvia, but the bottom line is- you have someone else in your home who is or was going through medical issues (I seem to remember) and you have to think of him, also. I think it's admirable that you consider it.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||11/14/2020|
[quote]I have an opportunity to possibly participate in the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine trial here in Pittsburgh. Should I?
Yes you should r291, but haven't they selected the participants and done most of the trials already? I know there was a pause in the US, but it seems a bit late to be looking for participants still considering this vaccine is supposedly imminent. I wonder what this suggests about its projected timeline.
|by Anonymous||reply 303||11/15/2020|
Only the Pfizer trial is fully enrolled already.
|by Anonymous||reply 304||11/15/2020|
So does that mean that we won't be seeing Oxford/AZ results for a while, r304?
|by Anonymous||reply 305||11/15/2020|
From my rural Wisconsin county's Health Department:
"Due the continued increase in the number of positive cases, the Health Department is unable to keep up with this kind of volume increasing at this rate. We have implemented crisis standards for contact tracing which means that our priority is to contact positive cases only. As a result, we are unable to reach out to close contacts. If you are awaiting a test result, please be sure to remain quarantined. If you test positive, please isolate yourself and let your close contacts know to self-quarantine for 14 days and consider being tested. If you are a close contact of a confirmed case, you must quarantine for 14 days, even if you test negative during that time."
Our county is stretched to its staffing limit. They are no longer doing contact tracing; those who become infected must do it themselves. We're reaching record numbers of cases these last few weeks. Rural areas across the state are suffering.
|by Anonymous||reply 306||11/15/2020|
No, Pfizer released interim results right after they filled enrollment. I expect that we’ll see interim results from most of the other stage three candidates by the end of the year. I don’t know, but I’d guess Moderna next.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||11/15/2020|
Fauci thinks Moderna will be next because they're also using mRNA. Oxford is way behind the initial timeline it was giving not so long ago.
|by Anonymous||reply 308||11/15/2020|
I would not use an mRNA vaccine at this stage, we have not yet ever had a successful mRNA vaccine . Safety data will tak much longer than 9 months! Especially from Moderna, a company who has never before made a vaccine. I think we are jumping the gun with vaccines.
Meanwhile cheap and widely available treatments exist, such as ivermectin.
Also what we all can do now is keep up with our vitamin D, C a good multi with selenium and zinc.
|by Anonymous||reply 309||11/15/2020|
Would anyone trust anything from Moderna after what they did to the Time Bandits?
|by Anonymous||reply 310||11/15/2020|
When evaluating the unknown long term effects of a new vaccine in this case it needs to be compared against the unknown long term effects of getting the virus itself and the likelihood of contracting the virus eventually without a vaccine.
Resist the natural inclination to compare an action to life as it is with no consequences of not taking the action. People make often make bad decisions because they compare change to stasis and are paralyzed. Change has to be compared to change.
|by Anonymous||reply 311||11/15/2020|
What? English please.
|by Anonymous||reply 312||11/15/2020|
Biden adviser Dr. Michael Osterholm tells Chuck Todd on Meet the Press that if this "level of activity" in new Covid cases continues in the next few weeks, American health care systems will begin "literally breaking."
|by Anonymous||reply 313||11/15/2020|
“Jodi” is trending on Twitter. This is what Jodi tweeted:
Jodi Doering @JodiDoering
I have a night off from the hospital. As I’m on my couch with my dog I can’t help but think of the Covid patients the last few days. The ones that stick out are those who still don’t believe the virus is real. The ones who scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is
Jodi Doering @JodiDoering Replying to @JodiDoering
Going to ruin the USA. All while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm. They tell you there must be another reason they are sick. They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that “stuff” because they don’t have COViD because it’s not real. Yes. This really happens. And
Jodi Doering @JodiDoering
I can’t stop thinking about it. These people really think this isn’t going to happen to them. And then they stop yelling at you when they get intubated. It’s like a fucking horror movie that never ends. There’s no credits that roll. You just go back and do it all over again.
Jodi Doering @JodiDoering
Which is what I will do for the next three nights. But tonight. It’s me and Cliff [her dog] and Oreo ice cream. And how ironic I have on my “home” Hoodie. The South Dakota I love seems far away right now.
Here’s the first few responses to her tweets:
1776% Kat Black @katinbootz Replying to @JodiDoering
Where are all your videos showing the people how bad it is?
magda 12345678 @Magda96401608 Replying to @JodiDoering
Biden will destroy the US ,can you read please read what his son have on his computer please
Melissa Smith @essiac4health Replying to @JodiDoering
It’s still a flu...that usually affects those that haven’t taken care of themselves or are elderly... it was designed that way. But quite survivable for healthy people. You’d think ppl would want to get healthier but they don’t.
Lisa @Lelalou222 Replying to @JodiDoering
People pointed out again and again that a nurse can’t video dying patients without their consent due to HIPPA laws. MAGATs responded that if they don’t see new videos all the time, it’s not real.
|by Anonymous||reply 314||11/15/2020|
On that Jodi thread, someone mentioned a 29 year old cancer patient who died because she needed a ventilator, and they were all already taken up by MAGATs like the ones Jodi described.
People are going to die because they need medical treatment unrelated to Covid, but can’t get it because the hospitals are full.
|by Anonymous||reply 315||11/15/2020|
They are looking for participants in NYC. saw it on the news for phase 3. I can't remember but I think you have to be in your 60s? They will pay for all your medical treatments and bills if you get sick.
|by Anonymous||reply 316||11/15/2020|
Erykah Badu Shares Unusual COVID-19 Test Results: 'Left Nostril Positive, Right Nostril Negative'
Erykah Badu is a little confused by her results from a recent COVID-19 test.
On Friday (Nov. 13), the Grammy-winning songstress shared on social media that she was ultimately given a clean bill of health after multiple tests over 24 hours, but that previous results strangely showed she had tested both positive and negative.
"No symptoms. Was tested for COVID. Same machine. Left nostril positive. Right nostril negative," Badu tweeted. "Maybe they need to call Swiss Beats so they can do a versus between them. Funny thing is, Dr. ONLY reported the positive result. What the fack is goin on here. Rapid Test. $$$$ smh."
The "Afro Blue" singer shared a screenshot of the contradictory test results and noted that she and her band regularly take coronavirus tests prior to livestream broadcasts.
"What an inconvenience to be tested positive then negative 3x after within 24 hours. Same test. We understand that they aren’t 100% accurate but this is strange," she tweeted.
Badu isn't the only celebrity experiencing unusual COVID test results. Earlier in the day, Elon Musk tweeted that he went through the same ordeal.
“Something extremely bogus is going on,” the Tesla and SpaceX founder wrote. “Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse. Rapid antigen test from BD.”
|by Anonymous||reply 317||11/15/2020|
It's a well-known fact that rapid tests are extremely unreliable, so Badu and Musk can stfu and go get themselves PCR tests.
|by Anonymous||reply 318||11/15/2020|
🦃 [italic] Happy Thanksgiving, DataLounge !
|by Anonymous||reply 319||11/15/2020|
About the rapid response tests, normally no such tests would be put on the market until the FDA approved it. They approved them in the past based on the test being at least a certain percentage of accuracy.
Trump issued a waiver so virtually any test could go on the market without FDA approval, to “speed things up” because he thought the FDA was “too slow.” Operation Warp Speed, remember?
Since the test business is so lucrative, a flood of phony and inaccurate tests flooded the market. As long as Trump is there, those worthless tests will still be available. Other countries have more accurate tests. Tests are getting market share based on their ability to crank out large numbers of tests. Accuracy is not a necessity. There’s probably more accurate tests that were pushed out of the American market because they couldn’t scale up as quickly as cheap, inaccurate Chinese tests.
Trump thinks faster is better than accurate. Same philosophy as when he was pushing drugs that didn’t work. Look how fast we found a cure! Only the cures didn’t work.
|by Anonymous||reply 320||11/15/2020|
🎵 I'll be home for your Christmas,
You can count on me........ 🎵
|by Anonymous||reply 321||11/15/2020|
In the UK, Boris Johnson is isolating.
|by Anonymous||reply 322||11/15/2020|
Boris Johnson should isolate himself from all of humanity
|by Anonymous||reply 323||11/15/2020|
[quote] Also what we all can do now is keep up with our vitamin D, C a good multi with selenium and zinc.
R309 will be dead within 2 months.
|by Anonymous||reply 324||11/15/2020|
Trump's Mishandling of Covid Impacts Medical Professionals. An ER Nurse Shares Her Experience.
|by Anonymous||reply 325||11/15/2020|
MI Gov. Whitmer tonight announced new restrictions to take effect this Wednesday and last for (at least) three weeks:
High school and college classes must now be conducted remotely.
Work must be done remotely, unless the job absolutely has to be done in person.
Indoor dining is no longer allowed at bars and restaurants.
Organized sports are no longer permitted, with the exception of professional sports and a select number of NCAA sports.
Group fitness classes are no longer allowed.
Theaters, movie theaters, stadiums, arenas, bowling alleys, ice skating rinks, indoor water parks, bingo halls, casinos and arcades must close.
Whitmer urged people to "reconsider" spending Thanksgiving with people you don't shelter with.
|by Anonymous||reply 326||11/15/2020|
Pittsburgh had its highest case count ever today.
|by Anonymous||reply 327||11/15/2020|
I wonder how many new cases shall result from the Million MAGA - Mega Meshugas March...
|by Anonymous||reply 328||11/15/2020|
R328 I haven’t even looked because I’m so sick of their shit but I’m sure absolutely none were wearing masks like the schmucks they are.
And I LOVE that name for them, btw.
|by Anonymous||reply 329||11/15/2020|
Why the fuck was indoor dining allowed ANYWHERE? Or going to a movie or anything indoors? I live in Los Angeles and haven't gone anywhere except the grocery store and out to eat a few times OUTSIDE.
All that stuff has been restricted in LA since March 13th. I guess I just assumed that the rest of the states were doing this also, but now I see they have no and my "shock" over why the numbers have been going up just disappeared. Any states that were allowing this shit have no business complaining now about the measures. Fucking hell, we were all here in LA doing our best to prevent people from dying while the rest of you were just carrying on with life as normal. It's so embarrassing to be an American.
|by Anonymous||reply 330||11/15/2020|
Thanks R329... Masks were scarce... rare as hen's teeth at these events. It's another superspreader event IMHO.
|by Anonymous||reply 331||11/15/2020|
"Why the fuck was indoor dining allowed ANYWHERE? Or going to a movie or anything indoors? I live in Los Angeles and haven't gone anywhere except the grocery store and out to eat a few times OUTSIDE."
It's easier to eat outside in a place like Los Angeles that's warm all year round.
|by Anonymous||reply 332||11/15/2020|
Wow Michigan is so behind the times. Like someone else said, CA has had those types of restrictions in place for the last 8 months.
|by Anonymous||reply 333||11/15/2020|
Well, CA's governor doesn't have to worry about being kidnapped by rednecks, so.....
|by Anonymous||reply 334||11/15/2020|
California also isn't fighting it's own legislature and court system.
I'm in Illinois and other than Chicago, some of the suburbs, and the university towns, the rest of this state might as well be Kentucky or West Virginia. Plus, we're surrounded on all sides by redneck motherfuckers. So, stop pretending that California is smart instead of lucky.
|by Anonymous||reply 335||11/15/2020|
We elected the legislature. We ARE smart.
|by Anonymous||reply 336||11/15/2020|
[quote] Why the fuck was indoor dining allowed ANYWHERE?
Because it’s cold outside. Restaurants were in desperate shape after being closed for months. They opened with outdoor dining spaces and the infection rate continued going down. So when cold weather came along, they tried socially distancing indoors. We were doing ok until the Hasids started spreading it around because they refuse to obey laws & because flyover people traveled to the northeast & brought it back. A woman on Twitter posted tonight about picking up her daughter from Boston airport. Her daughter had decided to visit a friend in Madison fucking Wisconsin, so she just hopped on a plane & went out there, not quarantining before she left & who knows if she can be trusted to quarantine now she’s back. She’s exactly the type of person who spreads this all over the country.
|by Anonymous||reply 337||11/15/2020|
Interesting thread about the Pfizer vaccine and storing stuff -80 C and the logistics.
|by Anonymous||reply 338||11/15/2020|
It's cold here in CA too. Most outdoor places have canopies and heat lamps.
|by Anonymous||reply 339||11/15/2020|
You think all restaurants have heat lamps, canopies, and plenty of tables for outdoor seating? What world are you living in? And I seriously doubt it's as cold in CA as it is elsewhere in the country
|by Anonymous||reply 340||11/15/2020|
[quote]@Arkancideisreal MD. PhD.
[quote]"Fascism, Nazism, communism, socialism are .. variations of the same monstrous theme" - Ayn Rand
[quote]Little St James Island
Seems legit. Is she an alumna of Trump University School of Philosophizing and Medicalizing?
|by Anonymous||reply 341||11/15/2020|
R340 - it's not cold in CA, particularly SoCal. 70's in the day time, with lows of around 50 - but that's at 3am when no one is out. When people are eating, it's mid 60's.
I know this is late to reply - but if I were VOTN and had COVID and got into a fight with a denier, it would be awfully hard for me not to breathe all over their face.
|by Anonymous||reply 342||11/15/2020|
R337 all of that. Without those Hasid clusters we’re still at a rate of about 2.5% which still isn’t bad — and like you said it’s dipshits like that who ruin it for the rest of us who actually distance, wear masks, and follow the rules. And restaurants are scared shitless again. It’s not funny and we should have been able to walk and chew after bending the curve last April.
|by Anonymous||reply 343||11/15/2020|
Read the bit about the trial timeline,, storage and vaccine itself. . The political stuff ignore. I thought the thread was very interesting.
|by Anonymous||reply 344||11/15/2020|
e family of a retired nurse who was arrested for trying to take her 97-year-old mother out of a care home before lockdown have pleaded with the government to relax rules on care home visits. Ylenia Angeli, 73, was detained by police after trying to remove her mother, who has dementia, from a care home in east Yorkshire. In distressing footage posted online, Angeli can be seen handcuffed inside a patrol car while her elderly mother, Tina Thornborough, is seated in the front of the family car. Humberside police later said they had responded to reports of an assault and Angeli was subsequently de-arrested and allowed home. Thornborough was returned to the care home in Market Weighton
Lockdowns are hurting the elderly and families they are trying to protect
|by Anonymous||reply 345||11/15/2020|
The problem isn't the lockdown r345, but this part of the article: "My mum is a trained nurse and wished to care for my nan at home, but we only have power of attorney for my nan’s finances and not for her wellbeing, so my mum was arrested because she refused to take my nan back to the care home.”
The question is why they don't have power of attorney for the grandmother's wellbeing.
|by Anonymous||reply 346||11/15/2020|
You knew this virus was real. You DECIDED to go to an indoor restaurant. You should have fucking stayed home, ESPECIALLY if it's too cold to eat outside. You had a choice and you choose to ignore the recommendations of the CDC about not being inside with large groups of people. The virus is spreading because you and thousands of people like you felt it was more important to pretend shit was normal.
|by Anonymous||reply 347||11/16/2020|
That's why governments have to order restaurants, etc. to close r347, which will also mean they will have to offer financial support to businesses that are told to close.
|by Anonymous||reply 348||11/16/2020|
Yep, r348. The government has failed to support the businesses that have to close. They also should be supporting anyone who has lost their jobs due to this.
|by Anonymous||reply 349||11/16/2020|
Before anyone gets excited about the science at R338 please note research universities and any academic medical center that does basic science research are all going to have -80 freezers so one of the main points is just nonsense.
|by Anonymous||reply 350||11/16/2020|
R349, that's also why it's actually in the interest of restaurants, etc. to support a government-mandated lockdown, because the government will then have to offer them financial support. This is what is happening in Europe, I have no idea about the US situation.
|by Anonymous||reply 351||11/16/2020|
Yes r350, people are making too much of a deal of this -70 degrees thing. I'd be surprised if most countries didn't have necessary facilities (surely they have hospitals and research universities). The Ebola vaccine also requires cold storage at -80 degrees and many African countries already have the freezers for that.
Besides, -70 degrees is just erring on the side of safety, it could be shown that it can be stored at higher temperatures. Pfizer has already made cases that can keep the vaccine at that temperature as it's being transported and stored and it can be kept in the fridge for 5 days before use.
Yes, we should be cautious. At the same time we should beware of scare stories, especially from dubious sources.
|by Anonymous||reply 352||11/16/2020|
[quote]MI Gov. Whitmer tonight announced new restrictions to take effect this Wednesday
Radiologist Scott Atlas, Trump's go-to guy on COVID-19, criticized Michigan's new Covid-19 restrictions in a tweet shortly after they were announced Sunday evening, urging people to "rise up" against the new public health measures.
"The only way this stops is if people rise up," Atlas said. "You get what you accept. #FreedomMatters #StepUp"
|by Anonymous||reply 353||11/16/2020|
[quote]MI Gov. Whitmer tonight announced new restrictions to take effect this Wednesday
Radiologist Scott Atlas, Trump's go-to guy on COVID-19, criticized Michigan's new Covid-19 restrictions in a tweet shortly after they were announced Sunday evening, urging people to "rise up" against the new public health measures.
"The only way this stops is if people rise up," Atlas said. "You get what you accept. #FreedomMatters #StepUp"
|by Anonymous||reply 354||11/16/2020|
Moderna's stock will not be outpimped by Pfizer's! 95% success rate announced this morning!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 355||11/16/2020|
New Jersey to lower limits on gatherings amid COVID-19 surge
New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy announced new restrictions Monday on gatherings in the Garden State as a way to fight back against an alarming coronavirus surge.
Under the additional restrictions, limits on indoor gatherings will be lowered from 25 to 10 people, while limits on outdoor gatherings will be dropped from 500 to 100 people, Murphy said during an interview on MSNBC.
New Jersey on Sunday reported a record 4,540 new COVID-19 cases on Sunday and a record 4,395 new cases on Saturday.
Murphy has been sounding the alarm about a second wave in the state.
Last week, the coronavirus positivity rate in New Jersey soared to 12 percent.
Murphy, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, Connecticut Gov. Ned Lamont, Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf and Delaware Gov. John Carney met virtually on Sunday to discuss how to work together to beat back a second wave of the deadly virus.
|by Anonymous||reply 356||11/16/2020|
the spread is happening at family gatherings.
But of course you have assholes and stupid cunts who go to warehouse parties with 200 other people, they just closed 2 places down over the weekend in NYC.
|by Anonymous||reply 357||11/16/2020|
I had been hoping for a false positive because I hadn't felt that bad. Then I woke up this morning and it's like I'm tasting things through cheesecloth. Even brushing my teeth didn't taste like much.
Still hoping, but less enthused now.
|by Anonymous||reply 358||11/16/2020|
Damn, do you know where you were exposed? R358
|by Anonymous||reply 359||11/16/2020|
I'm assuming work. Three other doctors and a nurse tested positive in the last 72 hours that I know of. And that's only within my department.
|by Anonymous||reply 360||11/16/2020|
COVID-19 may have been in Italy as early as September 2019: study
A new study has found that the coronavirus may have spread outside of China far earlier than previously thought.
A study by the National Cancer Institute said the deadly virus appears to have been circulating in Milan last September — five months before Italy’s first COVID-19 patient was detected, and three months before the outbreak was reported in Wuhan, China.
Italian researchers now report that 12 percent of 959 healthy volunteers enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 and March 2020 developed coronavirus antibodies long before Feb. 21, when the country’s first case was identified.
Giovanni Apolone, a co-author of the study, says four cases dated back to early October 2019, which meant the healthy volunteers would have been infected in September.
“This is the main finding: people with no symptoms not only were positive after the serological tests but had also antibodies able to kill the virus,” Apolone said.
“It means that the new coronavirus can circulate among the population for long and with a low rate of lethality not because it is disappearing but only to surge again,” he added.
In March, Italian researchers reported a higher-than-average number of cases of severe pneumonia and flu outside Milan in the last quarter of 2019 — an early sign that the virus could have been spreading well before the outbreak.
|by Anonymous||reply 361||11/16/2020|
R360, I'm sending positive vibes. wishing you a full and speedy recovery!
|by Anonymous||reply 362||11/16/2020|
I honestly do wonder if it was circulating in the US before February. I just don't know why it wouldn't have gone to pandemic levels sooner.
|by Anonymous||reply 363||11/16/2020|
Could there have been a mutation of some sort R363?
|by Anonymous||reply 364||11/16/2020|
One "benefit" of the surge in cases is that the Moderna vaccine trials could end earlier:
[quote] Moderna has committed to completing its trial before applying for emergency-use authorization — which means waiting until there are 151 cases of covid-19 in the study. A previous projection showed that the trial might end sometime early next year, but it is instead expected to reach its endpoint in seven to 10 days, Bancel said, because of surging coronavirus cases in the United States. The explosion of virus cases translates into an expedited ability to ascertain whether a vaccine works.
|by Anonymous||reply 365||11/16/2020|
Keep us posted VOTN/R358. We're pulling for you.
I've been seeing Melatonin being bandied around now as a COVID treatment. Any of our more medically-literate care to theorize on why that would be the case?
|by Anonymous||reply 366||11/16/2020|
I think it's already pretty much accepted that the virus was in parts of Italy and France, and also New York I believe, before the first cases of infection were found. This is perhaps one reason why these areas have been so hard hit. September 2019 is pretty far back though. Some even believe the virus may have been in Spain from as early as March 2019.
Which begs the question: when did the virus first become present in China or SE Asia, which is where everyone agrees it emerged from?
|by Anonymous||reply 367||11/16/2020|
Maybe it makes COVID sleepy, r366.
|by Anonymous||reply 368||11/16/2020|
Almost every patient zero of most countries are those who either returned from China or in contact with person who recently been to China. The virus itself literally exploded in Wuhan which then spread to the rest of China and beyond. Even Chinese authorities themselves admitted the source of the infection from the notorious wet market and quickly shut it down.
I really like to know who ( and the money ) behind this whole "COVID not from China" bullshit.
|by Anonymous||reply 369||11/16/2020|
I fully believe that the virus was present much earlier than publicized. I've already posted here about a young friend in India who works at a very popular tiger resort who was very ill last summer with a mysterious disease. It literally knocked him out. Unfortunately, he has never been tested due to lack of resources there, but I am willing to bet...
|by Anonymous||reply 370||11/16/2020|
I fully believe that the virus was present much earlier than publicized. I've already posted here about a young friend in India who works at a very popular tiger resort who was very ill last summer with a mysterious disease. It literally knocked him out. Unfortunately, he has never been tested due to lack of resources there, but I am willing to bet...
|by Anonymous||reply 371||11/16/2020|
Sorry for the double post!
|by Anonymous||reply 372||11/16/2020|
I also believe that cases and deaths in India are only a fraction of the truth there. There is a reason why they completely shut everything down there early on for so long with only a moderate number of reported cases and deaths at the time for their population size. It's because the actual deaths were already happening much, much earlier before "reasonable" testing was available
|by Anonymous||reply 373||11/16/2020|
Who said the virus wasn't from China, r369? It appears to have arrived in Europe and other places earlier than previously believed. The people saying that are scientists who've looked at the actual evidence. That doesn't mean that the virus didn't originate in China or South-East Asia.
Even if it exploded into Wuhan from the wet market, that would have been through an intermediary animal species in the market, through which it jumped from bats to humans. There's a general consensus that it probably originated in bats in southern China, possibly Guangdong province.
|by Anonymous||reply 374||11/16/2020|
Also r369, the virus didn't spread much from Wuhan to the rest of China because the Chinese authorities shut Hubei province down.
|by Anonymous||reply 375||11/16/2020|
What I don't understand is that if the virus was widely active before March, why didn't authorities see a corresponding uptick in deaths?
|by Anonymous||reply 376||11/16/2020|
[quote] It's cold here in CA too. Most outdoor places have canopies and heat lamps. I
1) There are no hurricanes in CA
2) There are no tropical storms in CA
3) There are no nor’easters in CA
4) There aren’t routine gales blowing into LA from September to June in CA
5) It doesn’t get to be 0 degrees in inhabited areas if CA
6) No tornado watches in CA
7) No street flooding in LA
8) It doesnt routinely snow outside of mountain ranges in CA
|by Anonymous||reply 377||11/16/2020|
R376, from the article at r361: "In March, Italian researchers reported a higher-than-average number of cases of severe pneumonia and flu outside Milan in the last quarter of 2019 — an early sign that the virus could have been spreading well before the outbreak."
The above-average cases of severe pneumonia and flu (or what they thought was flu) may not have been so great as to alert the authorities that something different was going on but, in retrospect, it's possible that these were actually cases of coronavirus. Why it really blew up in China in January and Europe in February is something future research will hopefully reveal. It could be a mutation or simply the normal timeline of the virus, given that cases/deaths can more than double in a week (two-three months ago, for example, Europe seemed to be doing ok, suddenly a few weeks ago the Covid situation went haywire).
|by Anonymous||reply 378||11/16/2020|
Calling it the "Trump Virus" is picking up and I read #trumpvirus has been trending.
|by Anonymous||reply 379||11/16/2020|
You know, DeBlasio's whole "We'll close the schools, but please, eat indoors at a restaurant" thing reminds me of Bloomberg's "You can't get to work because of the snow, so ride the subway and see a Broadway show!" writ even larger.
Even the outdoor dining is starting to be enclosed because of the temperature drop. This is madness.
|by Anonymous||reply 380||11/16/2020|
#Trumpvirus. Trend away. THAT evil motherfucker
|by Anonymous||reply 381||11/16/2020|
R380 I thought that enclosing with tents was ridiculous, but now a restaurant in my neighborhood has built a solid plywood structure with a roof over it's "outdoor seating" (which was really just on the sidewalk and two parking spaces in front of the building.)
How fucking stupid are people?
|by Anonymous||reply 382||11/16/2020|
R382. It's the same here in my small city in Belgium. But to be honest, I am not sure that our increase is linked to these private booths. After all, they are private and isolated. No matter what studies show, I am dubious about the school openings (which every fucking country is desperate to justify because of the fucking economy), private indoor gatherings at restaurants, bars , cinemas, work places and homes! Here is the REAL problem. Just read an article that 40% of Americans will have a "large" family gathering for Thanksgiving next week despite the warnings. The Moderna news will only add fuel to the stupid fire. It will get much worse before it gets better!
|by Anonymous||reply 383||11/16/2020|
Remember when India was going to overtake the US in reported cases before the year end? As if. LOL
|by Anonymous||reply 384||11/16/2020|
LISTEN, I am telling you now that COVID 19 was most likely present in India as of July 2019. Further analysis will reveal the truth but I already know based on my personal contacts there! Don't know where it started but it was most likely there at this time.
|by Anonymous||reply 385||11/16/2020|
VOTN, there was a thread here back in December talking about a very bad 3 week cold going around, the symptoms sound like CV. Might be worth it to check it out:
|by Anonymous||reply 386||11/16/2020|
I swear I had the virus in the last week of November through December 2019. I’ve never been so sick in my life. I had a CT scan in May 2019 that was ok. (I had neutrophilia & they were looking for a reason, that’s why I had the scan.) iIn May 2020 I had a repeat Ct scan that was horrible. I’ve suddenly got emphysema, traction bronchiectasis, atalectasis & inflammation. I have had difficulty breathing & been short of breath since I had whatever I had last year. But obits cares because they are so busy treating covid patients that I am placed on the back burner by Drs, being seen every 3 months & told to make another appointment. I hate televisits. I can’t concentrate. When they’re over, I can’t remember what was said. I’ve never liked talking on the phone. When I was growing up my parents hounded me to get off the phone if anyone called me and I want allowed to make calls that were outside of town (meanwhile, they sent me to high school 7 towns away) or more than 5 minutes. I still get anxious.
|by Anonymous||reply 387||11/16/2020|
R384 - India's numbers are bullshit. Their testing rates are 1/5th of other countries. Plus, they cremate bodies before they can do any testing.
I don't know how underreported they are - but it is and was much worse than is reported. Particularly under a Modi government.
Don't think that they've got it under control - not by a long shot.
|by Anonymous||reply 388||11/16/2020|
R388, I have a LOT of family and some colleagues over there and none of them have gotten it and none personally know anyone who has died of it.
Their numbers are almost certainly artificially low, but I don't believe they're as high as you apparently do.
|by Anonymous||reply 389||11/16/2020|
Gee - in a country of 1.3 billion, not everyone has it.
Talk to me again 2 weeks after Dawali.
Their case rate and death rate are at least double of what is reported.
|by Anonymous||reply 390||11/16/2020|
SARS-Cov2 very likely leaked from the lab at WIV. Most like accidental, but intentional not ruled out.
Beijing has blocked or hampered any kind of real inquiry, from any outside organization/government including WHO.
|by Anonymous||reply 391||11/16/2020|
🎄 [italic] Home Alone 6 : A Very Covid Christmas .......
🍽️ Guess Who's Not Coming To Dinner?
|by Anonymous||reply 392||11/16/2020|
Sure, R390. Will do.
By and large, they're taking precautions much more seriously than Americans. Sure, you'll find images of Indians not wearing masks (and you're probably fervently Googling for them right now), but that is not the norm there as it is in the United States where it seems that nearly half the people don't "believe" in covid.
No Indians in my community dumped shelves of groceries on the floor and/or punched/threatened/berated store clerks in protest. And if you haven't noticed yet, that's part of the problem in the US, to put it mildly.
Even here in Texas, the Indian grocery stores were requiring masks long before the mandate, and were limiting one shopper per family, etc at the end of March or early April. NO one was doing that yet. Everyone in the Indian community was well aware of why and gladly complied. And Why WOULDN'T they?
Indian culture is very interdependent. Every day one makes small sacrifices and, occasionally, very big ones, for the greater good. The US is the opposite. This can be good or bad but in the case of a global pandemic, the American way is not the winning choice.
|by Anonymous||reply 393||11/16/2020|
R393, the people you're talking about aren't in India.
|by Anonymous||reply 394||11/16/2020|
R394, I was talking about Indians in India previously, and I was talking about the Indians here to attempt to better illustrate the mindset in a more relatable way.
In a pandemic, the vast majority of Indians there or here will unquestionably try to adhere to the protocols. It's not considered an idea that one can decide whether to subscribe to. A mentally unwell person may be susceptible to conspiracy theories about covid , but it isn't a thinking behavior that tends to infect entire families and communities as it does in the US. That sort of thinking is generally seen as pitiable or as an embarrassment to the rest of the community, not embraced and encouraged by a large fraction of the country.
|by Anonymous||reply 395||11/16/2020|
Please stop making everything about America, r395.
|by Anonymous||reply 396||11/16/2020|
Serological studies done in India show that a way larger share of the population has apparently had Covid than official cases show. Some even claim that at least half the population has had Covid!
|by Anonymous||reply 397||11/16/2020|
R397 Sure, Jan.
|by Anonymous||reply 398||11/16/2020|
Uh, R398, did you read the link?
|by Anonymous||reply 399||11/16/2020|
Germany's CureVac (the one Trump tried to buy) and Tesla are collaborating on a vaccine. CureVac will develop the vaccine while Tesla is building mobile molecule printers to manufacture the vaccine.
|by Anonymous||reply 400||11/16/2020|
While I'm personally a bit sceptical that half the population of India has had the virus, there have been a number of serosurveys done in India that show a much larger chunk of the population has been exposed to the virus than infection rates would suggest. The article at the link is less dramatic than the one at r397 but it still underlines the same point.
|by Anonymous||reply 401||11/16/2020|
[quote]Indian culture is very interdependent. Every day one makes small sacrifices and, occasionally, very big ones, for the greater good.
That's news to us.
|by Anonymous||reply 402||11/16/2020|
On Monday, 73,014 people in the US were hospitalized with Covid-19, according to the Covid Tracking Project, the highest number the nation has ever experienced and at least 10,000 more hospitalizations higher than its spring and summer peaks.
|by Anonymous||reply 403||11/17/2020|
Horrible Iowa governor bows to the inevitable and accepts reality: she's mandating masks.
Latest daily infection rate in Iowa (per 100K): 138. (Maryland, rising, 29).
|by Anonymous||reply 404||11/17/2020|
On Fox News, radiologist/Trump COVID advisor Scott Atlas encourages large holiday gatherings:
“This kind of isolation is one of the unspoken tragedies of the elderly who are now being told don't see your family at Thanksgiving. For many people this is their final Thanksgiving, believe it or not."
And if Dr. Atlas has his way, it will be the last Thanksgiving for many more people.
|by Anonymous||reply 405||11/17/2020|
Vaccine efficacy, explained for lay people.
|by Anonymous||reply 406||11/17/2020|
[quote]Horrible Iowa governor bows to the inevitable and accepts reality: she's mandating masks.
But only in a half-assed way, just as the rest of her restrictions are half-assed.
[quote]The mandate applies only when people are within six feet of others for 15 minutes and they aren’t members of their households.
|by Anonymous||reply 407||11/17/2020|
So how much of the US recent spread do you think we can attribute to Halloween or Biden celebrations? Yes, we were on a trajectory upwards before that, but we just exploded off the charts.
If so, can you imagine how bad it's going to be after Thanksgiving or Christmas?
|by Anonymous||reply 408||11/17/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 409||11/17/2020|
The Daily Beast's Scott Bixby:
The first confirmed COVID-19 case in China can be traced back to November 17.
Today is COVID-19’s birthday.
|by Anonymous||reply 410||11/17/2020|
I sent it a bottle of Jean Nate, r410...
|by Anonymous||reply 411||11/17/2020|
The second wave of the coronavirus in Europe has started to show signs of slowing, but experts have warned that it’s too early to get complacent.
European countries have been grappling with a second wave of infections since September, but the latest numbers show a stabilization in new cases in Germany, Spain and Italy, and a decline in Belgium, France and the Netherlands.
It comes after new lockdowns and tough social restrictions were reintroduced across numerous European countries in October in an effort to contain the second wave; the latest numbers suggest these steps seem to be working.
|by Anonymous||reply 412||11/17/2020|
I have friends who have been pretty careful until now, but for some reason are now planning on rolling the dice by traveling for Christmas? Craziness! It's a relief for me not to see masses of family for the Holidays.
|by Anonymous||reply 413||11/17/2020|
Woman, 24, who contracted COVID-19 at a Black Lives Matter protest reveals she has been in a wheelchair for FIVE MONTHS due to ongoing symptoms and relies on her parent to care for her
|by Anonymous||reply 414||11/17/2020|
The hideous sight we hoped never to see again: Panic buyers across U.S. empty shelves of toilet roll, food and disinfectant as 40 states see record daily increases in cases and 20 states report all-time highs in deaths
|by Anonymous||reply 415||11/17/2020|
Yeah, we had done a grocery order on Sunday and they didn't have the chicken or salmon that we ordered. It worries me that we're starting again.
|by Anonymous||reply 416||11/17/2020|
Sweden abandons the Sweden model:
The country has banned gatherings of more than 8 people as a second wave of coronavirus continues to grow. "Don't go to gyms, don't go to libraries, don't host dinners. Cancel," Swedish Prime Minister Lofven said.
|by Anonymous||reply 417||11/17/2020|
R391 they swept that story waaaay under the rug several months ago. Then put the furniture back over it. Then locked the doors. It's an important aspect of the COVID story. Even if it was an accidental transmission from the lab to the market, it illustrates how dangerous the work in these labs can be, especially if something escapes.
|by Anonymous||reply 418||11/17/2020|
[quote]I sent it a bottle of Jean Nate and a nice blouse
Today is definitely my anniversary of something r411!
You can keep the stinking Jean Nate, but I could always use a nice blouse.
|by Anonymous||reply 419||11/17/2020|
Let's not forget what is going to be the worst for COVID - the Wednesday night drinking parties of young people back from college to their hometowns. That has become a huge thing the past couple of decades.
All of these young people are going to get together and then spend 4 days with their families.
It's called Drinksgiving or Blackout Wednesday. Bars are usually PACKED - but closing of bars won't curtail this.
|by Anonymous||reply 420||11/17/2020|
I suspect that some of these so-called "long-haulers" are the _new_ CFS and Fibro sufferers.
Washingtonian Magazine recently featured a 39-year old professional woman who has never tested positive, never been diagnosed by any doctor as contracting the virus, and has never set foot in a hospital.
But she is certain she has it, and has spent $20K so far on "alternative" therapies in her 7-month long "journey" to doubtful recovery.
|by Anonymous||reply 421||11/17/2020|
The National Review talks about the current advantages of the Moderna vaccine over Pfizer vaccine. (This assessment may change as more data from the trials come in.)
(1) It can be stored in regular refrigerators for up to 30 days, whereas the Pfizer candidate must be kept in industrial freezers at -70° C.
(2) It showed efficacy in preventing severe infections, which the Pfizer candidate has yet to demonstrate.
[quote] Until trials are completed and peer-reviewed, we won’t know which vaccine is superior. Other factors, such as the duration of efficacy and effects on different populations (age, medical background, etc.), are still unknown.
[quote] But by guaranteeing a massive purchase order (for Pfizer), the U.S. government reduced the risk of competition to vaccine developers. That allowed Pfizer to develop its vaccine candidate irrespective of the possibility that it would be outdone by a different company, and it was the right decision.
|by Anonymous||reply 422||11/17/2020|
yep. I think people are gonna go out and do shit coz now the vaccines are here...numbers gonna go up for sure...more people are gonna die. poor grand dads and grandmas!
|by Anonymous||reply 423||11/17/2020|
"It showed efficacy in preventing severe infections, which the Pfizer candidate has yet to demonstrate." - This makes no sense at all, since the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine has at least 90% efficacy against all infections. There were no "severe" infections in the BioNTech/Pfizer trials of those who took the vaccine.
I found that article r422, even though you didn't bother to provide a link. It's trying to create some kind of competition, with winners and losers, when that isn't the case at all. There is absolutely no way that Moderna will be able to manufacture enough vaccine to vaccinate everyone in the next 2-3 years, and it's not clear how many doses it will be able to make available in the next few months. From that perspective alone the Pfizer vaccine is vital.
Of course it's clear why the National Review is making jibes at Pfizer - Pfizer didn't lick Trump's ass, and the National Review loves Trump.
From the article:
[quote]Last week, President Trump sparred with Pfizer, the pharmaceutical company that reported positive results for its COVID-19 vaccine candidate. After reporting early results from its vaccine trial, Pfizer’s communications team was quick to point out that it did not receive funding from the White House’s Operation Warp Speed vaccine-development program.
[quote]“Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine development and manufacturing costs have been entirely self-funded,” Pfizer spokeswoman Jerica Pitts said this week. “We decided to self-fund our efforts so we could move as fast as possible.”
[quote]True, but the federal government did agree to purchase 100 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine at a price tag of nearly $2 billion if it proved to be effective. Pfizer should thank its lucky stars that it inked that deal, because the vaccine developed by Cambridge-based biotech firm Moderna appears to have two key advantages:
[quote]But by guaranteeing a massive purchase order, the U.S. government reduced the risk of competition to vaccine developers. That allowed Pfizer to develop its vaccine candidate irrespective of the possibility that it would be outdone by a different company, and it was the right decision.
Lol, Pfizer hasn't been outdone by anyone.
|by Anonymous||reply 424||11/17/2020|
Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint.
Eight months after infection, most people who have recovered still have enough immune cells to fend off the virus and prevent illness, the new data show. A slow rate of decline in the short term suggests, happily, that these cells may persist in the body for a very, very long time to come.
“That amount of memory would likely prevent the vast majority of people from getting hospitalized disease, severe disease, for many years,” said Shane Crotty, a virologist at the La Jolla Institute of Immunology who co-led the new study.
The research squares with another recent finding: that survivors of SARS, caused by another coronavirus, still carry certain important immune cells 17 years after recovering.
|by Anonymous||reply 425||11/17/2020|
I would want the Moderna one to win based on an easier distribution because it can be stored in regular refrigerators for 30 days. I didn't know about that difference between the vaccines and thought it was interesting and significant.
But it's way too early to know which vaccine is best based based on efficacy and long term protection in various age groups. The National Review made that point, too, whatever agenda it has with Pfizer.
|by Anonymous||reply 426||11/17/2020|
Doesn't the Pfizer vaccine require two shots? One of my friends was in the trial.
|by Anonymous||reply 427||11/17/2020|
All the leading vaccines/vaccine candidates require two jabs, r427, including the Moderna one and the famed Oxford one, if that one's ever completed.
|by Anonymous||reply 428||11/17/2020|
It's not too early to know the efficacy of the two vaccines that have announced their efficacy, r426. What you mean is their effectiveness. Given that many common vaccines, e.g. flu vaccines, only have about 40%-60% effectiveness, I suspect that with that rate of efficacy the mRNA Covid vaccines will probably have higher effectiveness in the real world.
But, indeed, precisely because these vaccines have never been mass manufactured and we don't know exactly how they'll be in the real world, that's why it's so important to have several different vaccines developed, not just one supposed winner.
|by Anonymous||reply 429||11/17/2020|
R429, doesn't the fact that these vaccines were developed to contain a specific virus mean the effectiveness should track the efficacy much more than the flu vaccine where they have to guess which strains they think will be most prevalent any given year? I also wonder about the slow worldwide rollout of the vaccine allowing for mutations to occur before vaccination numbers reach the amount needed to contain Covid across the entire planet.
|by Anonymous||reply 430||11/17/2020|
R426, given that both the Pfizer/BioNTech and the Moderna vaccine use the same mRNA technology, it is indeed interesting that there is this difference between them. No mRNA vaccine has ever been developed before and as far as I'm aware Moderna has never developed anything ever.
Moderna first said that its vaccine would only be able to be kept in a fridge for up to 7 days but they've since expanded that to a month, so there's no reason that the Pfizer vaccine won't be fine-tuned over the coming months and will be able to last longer outside a freezer or not need such deep freeze temperatures.
[quote]Vaccines made from mRNA can be made much faster than older vaccines could, explains Margaret Liu, a vaccine researcher who chairs the board of the International Society for Vaccines and specializes in genetic vaccines. The problem, says Liu, is that mRNA is "really easily destroyed, and that's because there are many, many enzymes that will just break it apart."
It's because the enzymes can break so easily that they need to be kept in deep freeze and in a refrigerator only for a limited period. Moderna says they were able to work out a different mRNA structure, although haven't explained how. In the days after the Pfizer vaccine was announced there was a lot more information about how it works and we heard from the actual scientists. There's a lot less such information about the Moderna vaccine. We'll get more information over time I'm sure but it's quite intriguing that they've managed to do all this.
|by Anonymous||reply 431||11/17/2020|
R427 Pfizer requires two shots, as does Oxford. Unsure about Moderna.
|by Anonymous||reply 432||11/17/2020|
Dragging my post from another thread over:
Moderna = two doses, 28 days apart
Pfizer = two doses, 21 days apart
Sanofi = no announcement
Novavax = two doses in phases 1 and 2; starting phase 3 this month
AstraZeneca = two doses, 28 days apart
Johnson & Johnson = testing both one and two doses in phase 3
|by Anonymous||reply 433||11/17/2020|
I have a feeling that we will be discussing this topic a year from now even with the early euphoria about vaccines. THIS virus is no joke and may have some further surprises for us. Still at a 2 out of 10 in terms of my overall feeling about the near future
|by Anonymous||reply 434||11/17/2020|
Let's go back 10 months...
|by Anonymous||reply 435||11/17/2020|
R435. Thank you for the trip back down memory lane. However, I could only read about 50 of these posts because it was too painful.
"I don't wanna go. Travel up and down. Faster that the speed of sound. Back down memory lane. You steal my foolish heart. Don't let this feeling start. Back down memory lane. I don't wanna go. Back down memory lane. Save me, save me. Back down memory lane..."
|by Anonymous||reply 436||11/17/2020|
Do as we say not as we do!! Just like Don’t gather with your family but I’m going to party with 12 of my closets at exclusive French Laundry! It’s shit like this that really pisses people off and undermines the seriousness of the matter.
“ California lawmakers travel to Hawaii conference amid COVID-19 travel warnings SACRAMENTO — Legislators from California and other states are gathering for an annual conference in Maui this week despite a spike in COVID-19 cases in the Golden State that resulted in travel warnings by health officials. More than half a dozen California lawmakers are among the 50 people attending a policy conference sponsored by the Independent Voter Project, a nonprofit group, at the Fairmont Kea Lani Hotel in Wailea, with some legislators’ travel expenses picked up by the hosts. The four-day conference, at which panels discuss various issues including how to reopen states safely amid COVID-19, began Monday. The annual gathering, which has seen up to 25 California lawmakers in attendance in past years, has faced criticism because it is partly financed and attended by special interests including businesses and labor groups, which lobby legislators
|by Anonymous||reply 437||11/17/2020|
A round of applause for r10 from r435's link:
[quote]Some background. I’m a medical professional, had a lead position at my institution when I worked in infection prevention and was influential in our institution making flu shots mandatory for health care workers during the H1N1/swine flu outbreak in 2009( we were one of the first health care institutions in the US to make flu shots mandatory for health care workers). Been through the Ebola scare , SARS, MERS...and this one scares me. Wash your hands, don’t touch your eyes or mouth, cover your cough and sneeze in your elbow, stay home if you’re sick.
We have some smart people on this site!
|by Anonymous||reply 438||11/17/2020|
Thanks R435. I didn't read through the whole thing again but found one of my posts in it!
|by Anonymous||reply 439||11/17/2020|
And then there is r30 from r435's link:
[quote]Let's put this in perspective: 80 people have died globally and several hundred are infected. Meanwhile, between October 1, 2019 and January 18, 2020 more than 8200 people have died from the flu while over 140K have been hospitalized just in the US alone.
|by Anonymous||reply 440||11/17/2020|
[quote]We have some smart people on this site!
Indeed. But a whole lost of posters from R435's link completely missed the mark.
|by Anonymous||reply 441||11/17/2020|
Went to Costco today. It was jam packed right after opening. Absolutely no bottles of water except for gallon jugs (which are too heavy for a lot of people because they shrink wrap them in packs), and Costco brand Kirkland bottles of water. They didn’t have any other brand of water bottles. And where they usually keep the other brands of water bottles, instead they had Brita pitchers and filters. They normally keep those on the other end of the store. A smaller than usual quantity of toilet paper and paper towels.
I went to Sam’s Club first, they had one or two brands of bottles water there. All their paper products were Marathon brand, which is for commercial bathrooms. They didn’t have oatmeal, which I thought was weird.
So here we are again. A lot of customers at Costco were wearing face shields. First time I saw that.
|by Anonymous||reply 442||11/17/2020|
Alabama Sorority Gets Official Blessing for 600-Person Farm Party Just in Time for Holidays.
“Alcohol will be served, but we’re expecting them to wear their masks."
Three days after this huge event, in-person instruction ends, and students can return home to their parents and grandparents. If they're infected, that's not enough time to develop symptoms, but it is enough time to begin transmitting the virus.
|by Anonymous||reply 443||11/17/2020|
R440. Indeed. That poster was talking about 80 global deaths! Can you imagine? Already, we have nearly 10K deaths... TODAY. Tomorrow, the fucking sun will not come out and we will most likely exceed the record deaths in the coming days. NO, this is not the freaking flu!
|by Anonymous||reply 444||11/17/2020|
I really hope Chuck Grassley croaks from this. We need a blood sacrifice.
|by Anonymous||reply 445||11/17/2020|
Like Trump, Grassley will get much better medical care than the average person
|by Anonymous||reply 446||11/17/2020|
If Grassley dies, how do they replace the seat?
|by Anonymous||reply 447||11/17/2020|
R447 There's a Lieutenant Governor in Iowa and the state's constitution reads:
[quote] Lieutenant governor to act as governor. Section 17. -- In case of the death, impeachment, resignation, removal from office, or other disability of the Governor, the powers and duties of the office for the residue of the term, or until he shall be acquitted, or the disability removed, shall devolve upon the Lieutenant Governor.
|by Anonymous||reply 448||11/17/2020|
R447 Sorry. I got that TOTALLY WRONG and confused Grassley as Governor.
|by Anonymous||reply 449||11/17/2020|
[quote] Even if it was an accidental transmission from the lab to the market, it illustrates how dangerous the work in these labs can be, especially if something escapes.
Why would you develop a virus in a lab that only kills 2-3% of its victims? Why wouldn’t you develop a virus that kills at least 15 % of a population? And you’d have to have a cure for it so that your own people wouldn’t die of you loosed it on the world.
|by Anonymous||reply 450||11/17/2020|
Dolly Parton is close to a Twitter beatification for having funded immunization research.
|by Anonymous||reply 451||11/17/2020|
R450, some people think they were working on it and it escaped before it was ready. One early version I heard was a scientist was selling lab animals out the back door to the wet market.
Another theory is it was carried out on his shoes.
That’s the problem with countries where there’s no regulation, getting their hands on dangerous things like this that the average person doesn’t understand.
|by Anonymous||reply 452||11/17/2020|
[bold]New Orleans bans Mardi Gras parades in 2021
Guidelines stress that not all celebrations are canceled, but ‘large gatherings have proven to be super spreader events’[/bold]
Mardi Gras celebrations in 2021 will not include New Orleans’ traditional parades, which take place every year to mark the carnival season, Mayor LaToya Cantrell’s office confirmed in a news conference Tuesday.
Mardi Gras guidance on the city’s website states: “Parades of any kind will not be permitted.” The guidelines stress that not all celebrations around Mardi Gras are canceled, but parades will not be possible “because large gatherings have proven to be super spreader events.”
more at link
|by Anonymous||reply 453||11/17/2020|
Given that last year’s Mardi Gras fueled one of the worst outbreaks of the first wave, I should hope so.
|by Anonymous||reply 454||11/17/2020|
CBS News: At today’s COVID task force meeting doctors told VP Pence the situation is dire and worsening. If nothing changes, there could be 2000 deaths/day by Christmas, overrunning hospitals.
Docs urging VP or POTUS to make remarks from podium to stress mitigation.
|by Anonymous||reply 455||11/17/2020|
Conclusion: The answer to the question is, Yes. The treatment of SARS-CoV-2, like HIV, requires a multi-drug treatment regimen focusing on the immune ITR to SARS-CoV-2. The three successful treatment regimens include (1) Tocilizumab & Interferon a-2b, (2) Primaquine, Clindamycin, Tocilizumab & Interferon a-2b, and (3) Methylprednisolone. These three regimens were effective 99.83% of the time and shortened hospital stays from 40 ± 3 days to 1–2 weeks
|by Anonymous||reply 456||11/17/2020|
Researchers from the University of Granada and the Andalusian School of Public Health in Spain did a survey of 2,086 people in Spain, some 41 per cent of whom were middle-aged between 40 and 54 years old.
People were asked what they had done during the pandemic and whether they had caught coronavirus, then the scientists compared the result to work out which activities were riskiest.
They found 4.7 per cent of the group caught Covid at some point – approximately 98 people.
Activities that were linked to an increased risk of testing positive included accepting supermarket deliveries at home, which raised the risk by 94 per cent and was found to be more dangerous than actually going to the shop.
Working at the office, instead of from home, caused the risk to rise by 76 per cent, the research found.
Having someone else in the household test positive for Covid-19 caused someone's own risk to shoot up by 60 times.
And living with a dog which they took for walks outside raised someone's risk by 78 per cent, the team said.
|by Anonymous||reply 457||11/17/2020|
[quote]accepting supermarket deliveries at home
[quote] living with a dog which they took for walks outside
I don't understand why these would be high risk. Deliveries at home maybe if the delivery person was invited inside and no masks were worn.
|by Anonymous||reply 458||11/17/2020|
[quote]Activities that were linked to an increased risk of testing positive included accepting supermarket deliveries at home, which raised the risk by 94 per cent and was found to be more dangerous than actually going to the shop.
|by Anonymous||reply 459||11/17/2020|
R459 - exactly. That's not factual - that's coincidental.
|by Anonymous||reply 460||11/17/2020|
Is there a correlation between getting home food deliveries and presuming one need not as often wear a mask or wash hands?
|by Anonymous||reply 461||11/17/2020|
I don't think masks were mandatory in Spain during the first lockdown and people were going to the supermarket without them. Deliveries were probably being made without masks too, so this probably underlines that social distancing is incredibly important.
The problem is when you go to Costco and it's crowded, as in R442's experience. Face shields are also fairly useless. Masks might help, but social distancing is essential. The reason the virus is still spreading is because of crowds.
|by Anonymous||reply 462||11/17/2020|
At least if everyone masks in the grocery, and keeps a six foot distance (and keeps moving for the most part), it’s somewhat less of a risk vs. holed up talking with someone for several minutes.
|by Anonymous||reply 463||11/17/2020|
Residential areas in Spain are a lot more dense than in the United States. It's not like taking your dog through a walk in a Chicago suburb. It would be like taking your dog for a walk through downtown Manhattan. When we were in Barcelona and Madrid last year, it was impossible to avoid people. In cities, sidewalks space at a premium and you're constantly within two to three feet of other people.
|by Anonymous||reply 464||11/17/2020|
R364, in Spain they had a lockdown where most people were forbidden from leaving the house except without a serious reason. The streets were empty.
|by Anonymous||reply 465||11/17/2020|
Chemical used in everyday products 'could hinder the effect of Covid-19 vaccine.'
Scientists fear man-made Per- and polyfluoroalkyl, which is used in waterproof clothing, pizza boxes and non-stick pans, could diminish the efficiency of a coronavirus jab.
|by Anonymous||reply 466||11/18/2020|
[quote]Is there a correlation between getting home food deliveries and presuming one need not as often wear a mask or wash hands?
No. More likely there is a correlation with people who were getting their food delivered to their homes trending older in age than those going to the markets themselves.
|by Anonymous||reply 467||11/18/2020|
I have my food delivered. It is set outside my door, the deliverer (always masked) knocks and leaves. I never see her and wash my hands thoroughly after putting my groceries away.
|by Anonymous||reply 468||11/18/2020|
R467 Elderly people in Spain probably invite their delivery person in for a chat.
Source: My Spanish mother-in-law, who never let anyone out of her sight without a minimum 45 minute long one-sided conversation.
|by Anonymous||reply 469||11/18/2020|
[quote]living with a dog which they took for walks outside raised someone's risk by 78 per cent, the team said.
"The study notes that it is unclear if dogs acted as a host vector for the virus, or if the individual owners came into contact with COVID-19 elsewhere in their day-to-day lives.
But the authors say dog owners must pay extra careful attention to personal hygiene as the cold season falls upon us and the virus resurges."
Dogs are sniffing at everything when they're outdoors, maybe they're inhaling virus particles when they do, especially particles that have fallen to the ground. Dog walkers also tend to get stopped by people wanting to pet their dogs and engage in conversation about them. Back when this first started, I had to impress upon my dad that he could no longer stop and talk to people while walking the dog.
|by Anonymous||reply 470||11/18/2020|
Back in March-May I wouldn’t let anyone interact with the dog. I need to go back to that.
I’d guess the issue is the feet. We take off our shoes when we come home, but a dog’s paws are just as likely to pick up viral particles as human shoes.
|by Anonymous||reply 471||11/18/2020|
[quote] Another theory is it was carried out on his shoes.
That's the exact reason Lawrence Fishburn cut off Elliot Gould's research in Contagion.
|by Anonymous||reply 472||11/18/2020|
A record 11,115 deaths were reported worldwide yesterday. The U.S. reported 1,707 deaths, the highest daily total since May 14th. A record 76,830 people are currently hospitalized.
Ohio: Governor Mike DeWine has ordered a statewide curfew.
Mississippi: Governor Tate Reeves added seven more counties to a mask-wearing mandate.
Maryland: Govern Larry Hogan restricted the hours for restaurants and bars, insisting that they close at 10:00 p.m. for indoor service.
Illinois: Governor Pritzker has moved all of Illinois back to Tier 3.
|by Anonymous||reply 473||11/18/2020|
The FDA has authorized the first do-it-yourself home test kit, although you will need a prescription to obtain it.
|by Anonymous||reply 474||11/18/2020|
“Avi Schiffmann, the Seattle-area teen who built a website to track the early and ongoing spread of coronavirus, has tested positive for COVID-19. Schiffmann, 18, tweeted about his diagnosis on Monday evening and in an email to GeekWire said that he feels ‘quite bad.’ He tested positive on Thursday and is quarantining at his family’s cabin along with his mother, a doctor who has also tested positive, according to Schiffmann.”
|by Anonymous||reply 475||11/18/2020|
Some people just don't learn: a 300-person wedding near Ritzville, Washington has resulted in three outbreaks and over 40 people infected. That's ten times the allowed number of people for events like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 476||11/18/2020|
[quote]That's ten times the allowed number of people for events like that.
And about one hundred times the number that makes actual logical sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 477||11/18/2020|
Here's zip-code level data for NYC. Notice that a lot of the spikes correlate with Trumpism, not density.
|by Anonymous||reply 478||11/18/2020|
The heaviest areas in Queens are the Rockaways, Richmond Hill, and Elmhurst, and in Brooklyn is Borough Park. Two of those don't surprise me, two do.
|by Anonymous||reply 479||11/18/2020|
The problem the federal government has right now is that it invested billions of dollars already on distributing the Pfizer vaccine--paying Pfizer for millions of doses, funding transportation with subzero storage to all 50 states and the territories, supporting subzero storage at the sites in all the locations, etc.
Moderna's vaccine has the same effectivity rate, without the need for subzero storage. The distribution would have been simpler and cheaper. The US govt put all its eggs in the Pfizer basket (at least for the first wave of vaccinations) because Pfizer was first at the gate.
|by Anonymous||reply 480||11/18/2020|
Even with both Pfizer and Moderna pumping out vaccines as fast as they can there aren’t going to be enough doses available for a long time.
The US government has its eggs in seven baskets and correctly so.
|by Anonymous||reply 481||11/18/2020|
I'm referring to post lockdown, r465. Life went back to almost normal in Spain over the summer, according to my good friend in Barcelona.
|by Anonymous||reply 482||11/18/2020|
Is anyone else concerned (yes, concerned) about taking the first ever RNA vaccine that's been rushed to market?
|by Anonymous||reply 483||11/18/2020|
While it does seem to be pointless for me now, I would lick a vaccine off the floor if it meant we could get back to normal.
|by Anonymous||reply 484||11/18/2020|
I would lick a vaccine off the floor, too, but only after 10 million people did it first, and survived.
|by Anonymous||reply 485||11/18/2020|
NYT (9/18/20) says PFIZER has just released new information from the first set of complete results from the vaccine trial.
[quote] New Pfizer Results: Coronavirus Vaccine Is Safe and 95% Effective
[quote] The data showed that the vaccine prevented mild and severe forms of Covid-19, the company said. And it was 94 percent effective in older adults, who are more vulnerable to developing severe Covid-19 and who do not respond strongly to some types of vaccines.
[quote] If the F.D.A. authorizes the two-dose vaccine, Pfizer has said that it could have up to 50 million doses available by the end of the year, and up to 1.3 billion by the end of next year.
[quote] However, only about half of its supply will go to the United States this year, or enough for about 12.5 million people — a sliver of the American population of 330 million. Americans will receive the vaccine for free, under a $1.95 billion deal the federal government reached with Pfizer for 100 million doses.
The article mentions the temperature storage requirements-
[quote] If the vaccine is authorized, attention will immediately shift to how it will be distributed. The vaccine must be stored at minus 94 degrees Fahrenheit, colder than any other vaccine in development. Pfizer will ship the vaccine in special boxes of 1,000 to 5,000 doses that are stuffed with dry ice and equipped with GPS-enabled sensors. Pfizer’s vaccine can be stored in conventional freezers for up to five days, or in the special coolers for up to 15 days, as long as the dry ice is replenished and the boxes are not opened more than twice a day.
[quote] Moderna’s vaccine must also be stored in a freezer long-term, but at minus 4 degrees Fahrenheit. The company said on Monday that its vaccine could be stored at standard refrigerator temperatures of 36 to 46 degrees Fahrenheit for up to 30 days, not seven as previously thought, which could make it easier to store than the Pfizer vaccine.
|by Anonymous||reply 486||11/18/2020|
What are you talking about r480? Nothing's even been approved yet let alone distributed or stored. Besides, the Pfizer vaccine is just fine and they have greater production capabilities than Moderna, who have to outsource most of their production. Moderna will probably only be able to make a few hundred million doses for the US in 2021 at the most, bearing in mind that each person needs two doses. The same with Pfizer. Distribution and storage will be the easy bit, even for Pfizer. Manufacturing will be the hard bit.
|by Anonymous||reply 487||11/18/2020|
This is the most important bit from that article, r486:
[quote]The company said it planned to apply for emergency approval from the Food and Drug Administration “within days.”
|by Anonymous||reply 488||11/18/2020|
I mean, Twitter has convinced half of the country not to take it, so I don't think having to scale up is that big a deal.
|by Anonymous||reply 489||11/18/2020|
That is the other problem r489. Just because there is a vaccine, that doesn't mean everyone will take it. Which makes me want to be vaccinated asap.
|by Anonymous||reply 490||11/18/2020|
Moderna discusses manufacturing/distributions challenges, CNBC.com 11/18/20
[quote] Mass producing a vaccine at speed, overseeing that manufacturing process, and then transporting it around the world pose “big challenges,” according to Swiss drugmaker Lonza that has partnered with Moderna to produce its coronavirus vaccine.
[quote] “We can only produce more than 500 million doses a year if we install additional manufacturing lines, so it is clear that we need additional investments in installation if we want to produce more than 500 million (per year) in the future,” Lonza Chairman Albert Baehny told CNBC’s “Squawk Box Europe.”
In the NYT article, Pfizer indicates it can have 25 million doses for the US by the end of the year, which would be enough for 12.5 million people. Then 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021.
|by Anonymous||reply 491||11/18/2020|
"Everybody's got opinions. 'Bout the way they think our story's gonna end. Some folks feel it's just a superficial thrill. Everybody's gonna have to think again.... They don't bother me so I'm gonna keep on Giving you the best that I got, baby..."
|by Anonymous||reply 492||11/18/2020|
[quote] This is the most important bit from that article, [R486]....
For me, it's what the NYT said about The Olds: "And it was 94 percent effective in older adults, who are more vulnerable to developing severe Covid-19 and who do not respond strongly to some types of vaccines."
|by Anonymous||reply 493||11/18/2020|
Berlin police deploy water cannon as protesters march against Covid-19 restrictions
From CNN's Stephanie Halasz
Officers are using water cannon and pepper spray as they try to disperse a protest against coronavirus restrictions in the German capital, Berlin police said Wednesday.
The demonstration is taking place near the Brandenburg Gate, a few hundred meters away from Germany's parliament, the Reichstag, which has temporarily locked its doors.
Officers at the demonstration have been targeted with “bottles, stones and firecrackers as well as with pepper spray. In turn, they are using physical coercion and pepper spray and have arrested some of the attackers,” a tweet from the Berlin police said.
A previous tweet said that because the protesters "did not fulfil the obligation to leave the location, people were just rained on by our water cannons.”
Television pictures showed a tense standoff between police officers and demonstrators. Police have been trying to slowly move the demonstrators away from the parliament after tweeting the demonstration was being dissolved.
Parliament is in session and there is a debate going on in the main plenary hall.
Berlin police spokesman Stefan Petersen earlier told CNN that several thousand protesters had gathered near the parliamentary district in central Berlin.
The organizers for several demonstrations asked for permission to demonstrate in the no-protest zone around the German parliament, and that permission was not granted, Petersen said.
TV footage showed many demonstrators without masks and not socially distanced. Some protesters were carrying flags for the right-wing populist Alternative for Germany (AfD) political party, and at least one imperial banner -- a flag now deployed by the far right as the swastika is prohibited in Germany -- could be seen.
The Berlin police force tweeted that requests to wear a mask had not had any effect.
Around 2,200 police officers will be deployed overall Wednesday, Petersen said.
|by Anonymous||reply 494||11/18/2020|
^ Probably the first shower many of them have had in weeks.
|by Anonymous||reply 495||11/18/2020|
I heard a report on the news that in a study where they tested marine recruits, 90% of those tested positive were asymptomatic.
|by Anonymous||reply 496||11/18/2020|
Delta will keep blocking middle seats through March
From CNN's Pete Muntean
Delta Air Lines said on Wednesday it will keep middle seats empty on its flights through next March, an extension of the social distancing policy it put in place at the start of the pandemic.
Delta maintains it is the only US airline to keep blocking middle seats on its flights.
The move comes as other airlines are ending similar policies, gearing up for a potential onslaught of air travelers during the busy holiday rush.
Last week, JetBlue announced it will start to phase out capping capacity on its flights — currently 70% — and fill every seat starting Jan. 8. Southwest Airlines said in September it will fill every seat after Nov. 30, following the Thanksgiving travel period. American Airlines and United Airlines have been selling every seat on their flights since the summer.
Airlines say they feel empowered by new research from Harvard University, the Department of Defense, airlines, and aircraft manufacturers that claims the transmission rates of coronavirus through the filtered air of an airliner is low, so long as all passengers wear masks.
Last week, Delta announced that a total of 550 people have been put on Delta’s no-fly list for refusing to wear a mask.
|by Anonymous||reply 497||11/18/2020|
Reading one of the original l Corona threads, way back when we were first introduced to The Corona ...........
So many people still stuck on stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 498||11/18/2020|
R485 I’m totally with you. The problem is if everyone thinks like us (the free ride syndrome). But I’m not taking it until everyone and their uncle has and is safe and good.
|by Anonymous||reply 499||11/18/2020|
Well, this headline doesn't mince words:
After Big Thanksgiving Dinners, Plan Small Christmas Funerals, Health Experts Warn
|by Anonymous||reply 500||11/18/2020|
Richard Schiff (West Wing) and wife Sheila Kelley (LA Law) both have COVID. Schiff on Twitter:
Nov 10: On Election Day I tested positive for Covid-19. This has been the most bizarre week of our lives. @thesheilakelley is also positive. This is tough. We are determined to find a way to health again. We root for everyone out there who are struggling with this thing. Love from here.
Nov 16: Thank you all for so much love and support. You’re making it so much easier for @thesheilakelley and me. I am in the hospital on Remdesivir, O2 and steroids showing some improvement every day. Sheila is home and doing better but still fairly ill. Love you all.
|by Anonymous||reply 501||11/18/2020|
PICTURED: Gavin Newsom at Michelin star restaurant birthday party where he dined in a group of 12 without wearing a mask - despite telling Californians they can only celebrate Thanksgiving outside
|by Anonymous||reply 502||11/18/2020|
Gavin married Kimberly Guilfoyle, so I've always been suspect of his judgment.
|by Anonymous||reply 503||11/18/2020|
r502, and your point is?
|by Anonymous||reply 504||11/18/2020|
Newsom's former deputy chief of staff Yashar Ali:
The hypocrisy of politicians around Covid restrictions should be called out in the strongest possible terms. It's unacceptable. But if your reaction to the hypocrisy is to say "well, now I can do whatever I want," then you were never planning on following the guidelines anyway.
|by Anonymous||reply 505||11/18/2020|
NYC schools are closing again, because we went about 3% positivity.
|by Anonymous||reply 506||11/18/2020|
18% positivity in Allegheny County today, and the city, state, and county aren't doing a bloody thing apart from mandating unenforceable travel quarantines. It's appalling.
|by Anonymous||reply 507||11/18/2020|
Eric Trump tweeted this in 2016:
The Sad Truth: The Cost Of Stein/Clinton's #Wisconsin Vote Recount Could Have Saved At Least 5,000 Children's Lives
|by Anonymous||reply 508||11/18/2020|
[quote]And it was 94 percent effective in older adults, who are more vulnerable to developing severe Covid-19 and who do not respond strongly to some types of vaccines.
The infection rate of old people is much, much lower than everyone else because they are taking this seriously for the most part. So, how do they know this effectiveness for sure? Would they have put the exact same number of old people in both the vaccine and placebo group in order to compare them properly? So non-randomized?
|by Anonymous||reply 509||11/18/2020|
Trump's only paying for a recount for the counties in Wisconsin where most of the black people live
|by Anonymous||reply 510||11/18/2020|
R509 there is no need to have exactly the same number of elderly people in the placebo and the control group as long as the numbers in both groups are large. If one in two hundred of the elderly people in the placebo group were infected vs only one in fifteen hundred of the control group getting, the fact that one group was comprised of six thousand and the other of 7,500 isn’t particularly important.
|by Anonymous||reply 511||11/18/2020|
R504 are you kidding me? ONe of the loudest proponents and this is the example he sets? He’s an ass.
|by Anonymous||reply 512||11/18/2020|
R503 He also divorced her ass, so he can correct his mistakes.
|by Anonymous||reply 513||11/18/2020|
One of the loudest proponents of what, r512?
|by Anonymous||reply 514||11/18/2020|
The moment when YOU realize that the entire world knows that your response to this crisis, and every other thing that you've done in your life, is fake news. You piece of shit!
|by Anonymous||reply 515||11/18/2020|
A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862 completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point (95% CI, −1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up yielded similar results. Although the difference observed was not statistically significant, the 95% CIs are compatible with a 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection.
recommendation to wear surgical masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2 infection rate among wearers by more than 50% in a community with modest infection rates, some degree of social distancing, and uncommon general mask use. The data were compatible with lesser degrees of self-protection
|by Anonymous||reply 516||11/18/2020|
"Limitation: Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others."
Not all that valuable a study, r516.
|by Anonymous||reply 517||11/18/2020|
All studies have limitations, r517. We're doing a mass study on mask-wearing in most European countries right now. Masks are mandatory in almost most places yet infections are rising. Personal conclusion: it's best to avoid other people altogether.
|by Anonymous||reply 518||11/18/2020|
[quote]Personal conclusion: it's best to avoid other people altogether.
I don't believe you'd get any argument on that from epidemiologists.
|by Anonymous||reply 519||11/18/2020|
[quote]We're doing a mass study on mask-wearing in most European countries right now. Masks are mandatory in almost most places yet infections are rising. Personal conclusion: it's best to avoid other people altogether.
And yet in China, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam - where mask wearing is universally accepted - new cases have been very low for some time now. 🤔
|by Anonymous||reply 520||11/18/2020|
[quote]I don't believe you'd get any argument on that from epidemiologists.
Or from the vast majority of followers of these threads.
|by Anonymous||reply 521||11/18/2020|
Yep, R520, as well as real-world correlations between masks and cases in various states and counties in the U.S.
[quote]All studies have limitations
I know, R518, but this one's limitations are so significant that it's not clear that any real conclusion can be derived from the study.
|by Anonymous||reply 522||11/18/2020|
It’s really common in Asian countries for people wear masks in public when they go out, even if they only have a mild cold. People there are used to it and I can’t imagine anyone there arguing about masks or refusing to wear them. They already know they work.
If you live somewhere where 99% of people wear masks, you’re going to do a lot better than if 50% wear masks.
|by Anonymous||reply 523||11/18/2020|
Mask wearing is only part of the general good practices for prevention. It's not a complete preventive measure by itself. If a virus is already running rampant in a community, its effectiveness can be easily circumvented by people's other careless behaviors like not washing ones' hands after going to public places.
|by Anonymous||reply 524||11/18/2020|
Great public service ads from Germany.
|by Anonymous||reply 525||11/18/2020|
Two more Republicans get coronavirus. Thoughts and prayers!
|by Anonymous||reply 526||11/18/2020|
Two more Republicans get coronavirus. Thoughts and prayers!
|by Anonymous||reply 527||11/18/2020|
R485 - be honest with yourself, you've licked a lot more untested things in your life besides a vaccine. We all have.
|by Anonymous||reply 528||11/18/2020|
[quote]Two more Republicans get coronavirus.
Great news, but I selfishly wish they were senators.
|by Anonymous||reply 529||11/18/2020|
[quote]"I think it's going to, in the country's best interest, if he starts coordinating on the virus, starts coordinating with security with the Biden team," Kilmeade [said]. "And just brief them, because, on the virus, we're going to be able to get this out as soon as two weeks. We need to coordinate on the transportation and implementation, and you'll see how thorough the planning has been so we don't drop the ball in a little while."
[quote]"So we don't drop the ball." Which, of course, assumes Trump has been "holding" the ball this whole time, as opposed to Trump jamming the ball up his nose and his ass repeatedly while declaring flawless victory. Whatever, the point is that this was said on "Fox & Friends" by Brian Kilmeade.
|by Anonymous||reply 530||11/18/2020|
A server was fired for filming the governor of Nebraska not wearing a mask
|by Anonymous||reply 531||11/19/2020|
Tyson Foods managers had a "winner-take-all" bet on how many workers would get covid-19, lawsuit alleges
|by Anonymous||reply 532||11/19/2020|
R532 - can you imagine what the corporate culture is like in that place that this was considered AND acted on?
|by Anonymous||reply 533||11/19/2020|
Trump lackey has Covid-19. Thoughts and prayers
|by Anonymous||reply 534||11/19/2020|
That evil business at Tyson Foods is the kind of thing Mitch McConnell is trying to protect with liability waivers.
I fucking hate him.
|by Anonymous||reply 535||11/19/2020|
According to Worldometer, US had 187,000 cases and broke 2,000 deaths (2,011) today. That's the first time we've been above 2,000 deaths since early May.
|by Anonymous||reply 536||11/19/2020|
Dr. John Campbell says that the prospects for long or longer term immunity for the Covid-19 are looking very hopeful.
He gives you the summary in the first 2 minutes of the video, then discusses the detailed reasons why things are looking good for the remaining 26 minutes.
|by Anonymous||reply 537||11/19/2020|
R537 Next he will claim there's long term immunity to the common cold.
|by Anonymous||reply 538||11/19/2020|
Stop hoarding Clorox wipes and start opening windows already, goddamnit.
|by Anonymous||reply 539||11/20/2020|
Covid-19 Mortality Rates are Declining, But Total Deaths are Increasing
[quote] One of the recent studies looked at more than 5,100 people hospitalized with COVID-19 at NYU Langone Health system in New York City between March and August.
[quote] Researchers found that mortality among these patients dropped by 18 percent during that time. In March, patients had a 25 percent chance of dying. By August, it was 7 percent. The study was published Oct. 23 in the Journal of Hospital Medicine.
[quote] In another study, U.K. researchers found a similar drop in mortality among people hospitalized with COVID-19. This study included more than 21,000 critical care patients.
[quote] Mortality among severe COVID-19 patients who weren’t in the intensive care unit (ICU) decreased from 28 percent in late March to 7 percent at the end of June.
[quote] Among those in the ICU, mortality decreased from 42 percent to 19 percent during that time. The study was published Oct. 26 in the journal Critical Care Medicine.
Q: Okay, if death rates are going down, why are total deaths going up?
A: The Surge.
[quote] Even with better survival rates among people hospitalized with COVID-19, the ongoing surge in cases in the United States means that more deaths will follow.
[quote] “There are still a lot of people dying,” said Make. “Even if the percentage of patients that die is smaller, as hospitalizations rise you’re still going to have an increase in the total number who die.”
[quote] There’s also a risk that hospitals will become overwhelmed, which can impact the quality of care they can provide. We’re already seeing many hospitals reaching their capacity.
[quote] “In the very early days of the pandemic, a large part of the increased mortality was due to hospital systems being overwhelmed,” said Jackson.
|by Anonymous||reply 540||11/20/2020|
R540 - it's not a risk that hospitals will be overwhelmed. In many parts of the country, we're there - and we're still surging.
There's not much flexibility in our healthcare system when the virus is so widespread as opposed to being geographically centered in the NE like in March/April.
And what's not talked about - how much less safe are hospitals when you have 80% of your patients infected with COVID? PPE and protocols aren't perfect.
|by Anonymous||reply 541||11/20/2020|
Junior’s got the Rona?
DIE, JUNIOR, DIE!
|by Anonymous||reply 542||11/20/2020|
Rick "Bat Boy" Scott has it, too
Only the best people
|by Anonymous||reply 543||11/20/2020|
Junior and the Bat Boy.
|by Anonymous||reply 544||11/20/2020|
Junior and the Bat Boy sounds like a bad 70s sitcom
|by Anonymous||reply 545||11/20/2020|
It's kind of surprising that they didn't bribe someone at Pfizer or Moderna to get the Dump inner circle the vaccine.
|by Anonymous||reply 546||11/20/2020|
R546 Which tells you how preliminary the research into those vaccines is. Besides, Trump's inner circle has access to the best care. Other Trump hangers-on might not be so privileged.
|by Anonymous||reply 547||11/20/2020|
Toronto is going into a lockdown on Monday
|by Anonymous||reply 548||11/20/2020|
[quote] and the province says it will fine people $750 for violating public-health rules.
Good! I'm jealous.
|by Anonymous||reply 549||11/21/2020|
And yet their numbers in Ontario remain tiny even compared to an average state in the U.S.
|by Anonymous||reply 550||11/21/2020|
Canada is hard core. My Dad did a two week quarantine when he was up there this summer and they sent Mounties to check up on him and make sure he was complying.
|by Anonymous||reply 551||11/21/2020|
Were the Mounties hung ElderLez?
|by Anonymous||reply 552||11/21/2020|
LOL I didn't ask R552.
What a difference an informed, coherent, humane federal response makes! I am especially happy for Canadians in the Maritime bubble. I know its been hard for them with the loss of tourism dollars and family coming home from Ontario for the summer months, but they've been able to live almost as if COVID-19 doesn't exist this year.
FYI on a little nuance regarding the vaccine trials I recently learned and I want to preface it by saying I still think the results are extraordinary and I can't wait to get vaccinated. I had assumed all the of the trial participants were getting tested as part of the study and so the 95% was all infections. In fact testing is only being done as it normally is - illness, contact tracing, having a medical procedure coming up, just worried, etc. So what the trial is showing is a 95% decrease in symptomatic and "needs to be ruled out" infection. The actual comparative risk of infection is unknown, but it is possible it isn't stopping infection and is just stopping illness. (Or some combination of the two; rarely are things all one way or another.) Either way it is still extraordinary good news. The FDA review is going to be December 10, FWIW.
Also for folks who care, the sister who has it is dealing with flu-like symptoms, a nasty headache and loss of taste and smell, but is otherwise OK at home. She's busy making COVID-19 survivor t-shirts and masks. The brother who needed to be tested is negative.
|by Anonymous||reply 553||11/21/2020|
[Quote] As it has been noted, you’d need binoculars to locate a republican in their districts, so winning re-election is no major feat for them.
Yet the establishment Dems tried hard to primary then and the GOP tried hard to displace them. AOC’s GOP opponent spent $10 million
|by Anonymous||reply 554||11/21/2020|
^ wrong thread
|by Anonymous||reply 555||11/21/2020|
Thanks for the update R553.
Now can Voice of the Night check in and tell us how you're doing?
|by Anonymous||reply 556||11/21/2020|
The cruise industry continues to be decimated. Still no sailings until at least February (bet that's extended after cases explode in the next two months, and they're only going to VEEEEERY slowly start up again. I was supposed to go on an MSC cruise (my first with them) the first week of December, but that's not happening, and wouldn't have happened even if they'd continued to sail. And the Rich People Cruises that go to more exotic ports aren't going to start until at least the summer.
No cruises for me until we have significant vaccinations at this rate. And it's a pity, a bunch of new ships were support to start sailing both this year and next. Carnival Mardi Gras was almost enough to tempt me back, and they probably won't get it sailing until April or so (assuming things go well), and it was almost enough to tempt me back.
The outbreak on the one ship, Sea Dream, that decided to start sailing a few weeks ago. Seven passengers and two crew. First: I wonder who the passengers voted for, secondly, I don't give a shit about them taking the risk, but fuck them forever for exposing the underpaid crew.
[quote]Now can Voice of the Night check in and tell us how you're doing?
Vaguely crappy is the best I can give. I keep having intermittent low-grade fevers, I can't taste anything (not being able to taste mouthwash freaks me out the most, for some reason), and last night was first time in a while I slept for less than 10 hours. I'm so glad I'm not worse, but I can't figure out why I'm not. I haven't injected my RA meds in two weeks. I'm satting well, but my heart rate (while not actually tachycardic that often), is faster than normal, so I'm wondering if I'm sicker than I think I am.
But I'm very, very lucky so far.
|by Anonymous||reply 557||11/21/2020|
I went into my office yesterday and my boss was sitting next to my desk, giving me this huge project pitch with his mask hanging down around his chin. I was so fucking stressed out about it and I kept inching further and further across the desk in the other direction, couldn't focus on anything but his lack of mask and I finally yelled out- You need to put on your mask!
To his credit, he was very apologetic and said he didn't realize it wasn't on and to please let him know if that happened again, but this is why I hate leaving my house these days. I'm fully prepared that by the end of all this, I'm going to be agoraphobic.
|by Anonymous||reply 558||11/21/2020|
Doctors and other health care workers will be the first groups scheduled to be vaccinated.
But many doctors and health care workers are hesitant. They may not want to be first.
[quote] New Jersey said last week that its data showed that 66 percent of the state’s doctors planned to receive the vaccine. Among professionals contacted by the state, “some did not want to be in the first round, so they could wait and see if there are potential side effects,” New Jersey Health Commissioner Judith M. Persichilli said at a Nov. 9 news briefing.
[quote] “Of those who said they would not take the vaccine, many said they would be more than willing to get the vaccine at a later date when more data is available.”
[quote] “Operation Warp Speed — just that name connotes urgency and timeliness, but could bring to mind for many a fear of the process being rushed,” Koh said. “And we have seen the administration contradicting their own top public health officials and trying to accelerate a process that we know has to be done with all deliberate speed.”
[quote] The CDC said 98 percent of doctors and 92 percent of nurses were vaccinated for influenza during last winter’s flu season. Many hospital systems mandate staff receive flu shots, but similar directives are not expected for coronavirus vaccines -- at least not immediately -- because they will still be considered experimental.
[quote] Marie Ritacco, a longtime nurse at St. Vincent Hospital in Worcester, Mass., and vice president of a state nurses union, said many nurses will continue to rely on personal protective equipment and strict anti-infection procedures rather than be in the first wave of health-care workers receiving coronavirus vaccines.
[quote] “I’m not an anti-vaxxer. I believe in vaccinations. But I’ve never seen a process this fast,” she said. “I don’t think we have enough data to show that it is safe, will not cause harm and will be highly effective. We drive all these decisions on data, and the data is just not there yet.”
[quote] “What I hear from physicians is some of the same concerns that are expressed by everyone. They worry the process has been politicized. They are concerned because they haven’t see any published data yet. And they don’t feel comfortable making the decision one way or another until they see the evidence,” Bailey (President of the AMA) said.
|by Anonymous||reply 559||11/21/2020|
[quote]I'm fully prepared that by the end of all this, I'm going to be agoraphobic.
You say agoraphobic, I say smart.
|by Anonymous||reply 560||11/21/2020|
Thank you, R560. I'm actually surprised at how okay I've been staying in my apartment. I do miss spending time in the sun, and I have to remedy that now that it's gotten cooler in LA. I might just go and stand in our back building area by the pool for 15 minutes a day with a mask on just to get the natural Vitamin D (as opposed to my supplement). But I get so frustrated when I have to go out into the real world with masks and gloves and the correct pair of shoes and all that stuff. It just stresses me out so much. Not that I would ever NOT do it, for myself and for others, but I find my calm levels maintain much better on the days I don't have to step outside my door. Of course, one can't go on like that forever. But I feel a lot more hopeful with Biden taking the helm. If Asshole had won a second term, I don't- well, let's not even think about it. It didn't happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 561||11/21/2020|
We're coming through this swimmingly, r560!
|by Anonymous||reply 562||11/21/2020|
Doctors Are Begging Trump To Give Biden COVID Materials
|by Anonymous||reply 563||11/21/2020|
An interesting rundown of Thanksgiving 1918.
|by Anonymous||reply 564||11/21/2020|
Only in 2020 can "terrifying" qualify as "interesting" r564.
Thank you for posting that.
|by Anonymous||reply 565||11/21/2020|
Similar article in Phil Inquirer. We had an Armistice Day celebration of sort Nov 7 in urban areas but folks were out in the streets masked cheering His defeat
|by Anonymous||reply 566||11/22/2020|
Vermont is an example of a good government response.
|by Anonymous||reply 567||11/22/2020|
Seven hour waits at CityMD today.
Jesus fucking Christ.
|by Anonymous||reply 568||11/22/2020|
Italy is back at it again. From WorldoMeters graphs-
|by Anonymous||reply 569||11/22/2020|
R569 Not surprised "flattening the curve" doesn't work. Once you let your guard down after some success, the virus can surge right back. The only way before there is an effective vaccine is to have a set protocol in place for managing the situation: constantly monitor for any sign of the virus, and at the first sign, quickly lock down, test everyone and isolate all infected especially the asymptomatic. But that kind of methodical operation takes more discipline and organization than most places can muster. So most of the world will have to bear with the virus while waiting for the vaccine.
|by Anonymous||reply 570||11/22/2020|
What's surprising about Italy's current deaths from Covid-19 r569 is that they are now approaching the same numbers that just last spring caused the world to panic: overflowing ICU wards, stressed-out and infected healthcare workers, portable morgues, so much death that on some days last spring they didn't' release actual death numbers because they were so overwhelmed just trying to save people. So they're just going to do it all over again? Maybe their healthcare system is better prepared this time. IDK.
|by Anonymous||reply 571||11/22/2020|
^There are many more infections but far fewer deaths now. They know better now how to treat it.
|by Anonymous||reply 572||11/23/2020|
Goodbye outdoor dining for 3 weeks in L.A. Also goodbye to any struggling restaurants that adapted to it.
|by Anonymous||reply 573||11/23/2020|
And that really sucks. Because they played byJ the rules, but idiots who wouldn't comply, or rich assholes who picketed in Huntington Beach (notice that they didn't end up tear-gassed or shot by rubber bullets), they have to suffer.
NYC just needs to bite the bullet and lock down the whole city. Just locking down SI, Manhattan, and the Bronx won't work.
|by Anonymous||reply 574||11/23/2020|
Third Vaccine effective-
[quote] AstraZeneca (Oxford University) coronavirus vaccine up to 90% effective and easily transportable, company says
[quote] Pfizer and its German partner BioNTech and Moderna have each reported vaccines that are 95 percent effective in clinical trials. A direct comparison to the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine is complicated, because of the trial design, but the vaccine may be a more realistic option for much of the world, as it is likely to be less expensive and does not need to be stored at subzero temperatures.
|by Anonymous||reply 575||11/23/2020|
I don't trust the AstraZeneca vaccine. Their initial report in the middle of the night was 70% effective and a couple hours later it was bumped up to 90% (likely because the world greeted the news with a collective yawn after Pfizer and Moderna).
|by Anonymous||reply 576||11/23/2020|
The one thing that gives me a little pause about the vaccines is that, to the best of my knowledge, none of them actively looked for cases of infection amongst the participants, and those infections that were detected were only because the participants become symptomatic. So there's a chance that they prevent symptoms, but not infections.
Don't get me wrong, that's also good, but they could still be spreading things without knowing it.
|by Anonymous||reply 577||11/23/2020|
Quite right VOTN. And that’d be consistent with what I heard about the vaccines two months ago; that they’d impact disease severity rather than infection. Either way, I’ll be happy to be able to go back to the office.
|by Anonymous||reply 578||11/23/2020|
....Meanwhile, back on earth, and not on the planet "the vaccine is going to save us"...
No offense but just trying to get through this Thanksgiving Thursday, Christmas and New Year's.
This week is going to be awful BEFORE Thanksgiving even happens.
So what do we do about now? Do we just give up? Do we accept the fact that we will have +3K daily deaths by the end of the year and maybe more in January/February? Or do we keep fighting and focussing on the steps that we can take now before any possible vaccine benefit?
|by Anonymous||reply 579||11/23/2020|
[quote] So what do we do about now? Do we just give up? Do we accept the fact that we will have +3K daily deaths by the end of the year and maybe more in January/February? Or do we keep fighting and focussing on the steps that we can take now before any possible vaccine benefit?
Individually, or as a society?
Society has already chosen to give up. We're in "every man for himself" times now. Protect yourself, and your loved ones. Circle the wagons.
|by Anonymous||reply 580||11/23/2020|
Why is it either/or?
I’m thrilled about the vaccines AND I set up a extended family zoom for Thanksgiving since no one is gathering AND the wife and I are doing a contactless food exchange with the single older neighbor lady we can’t invite over.
I certainly can’t control people in the Dakotas and other covidiots though if that’s what you mean by giving up R579.
|by Anonymous||reply 581||11/23/2020|
On that note, here's the next thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 582||11/23/2020|
R581. Yes you are totally right. We need to focus on both. Always respect your opinions
|by Anonymous||reply 583||11/23/2020|
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