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Coronavirus Megathread 4: The Last DLers on Earth

As the weeks go by, more and more I feel as if all of us in these threads are Vincent Price and everyone else is the infectious living dead.

Carry on.

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by Anonymousreply 590December 29, 2020 5:23 AM

Previous thread

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by Anonymousreply 1November 23, 2020 10:34 PM

[Scientist, whispering into Rick's ear about the apocalypse.]

[quote] It was the mRNA vaccine.

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by Anonymousreply 2November 24, 2020 12:47 AM

thanks for this thread. the previous one was pay walled towards the end.

by Anonymousreply 3November 24, 2020 12:57 PM

WHO scientists continue investigation into coronavirus origins and plan trip to China

From CNN Health's Jacqueline Howard

World Health Organization (WHO) officials on Monday announced that an international team of scientists will be traveling to China "in due time" to continue an investigation into the origins of the coronavirus that causes Covid-19.

"We sent a pre-team of WHO staff to China over the summer to discuss with counterparts the nature in which the studies needed to take place. We've outlined Phase 1 and Phase 2 studies," Maria Van Kerkhove, WHO’s Covid-19 technical lead, said during a media briefing in Geneva.

"The international team will travel to China, that is being discussed amongst the international team and the Chinese counterparts, and that will be arranged in due time," Van Kerkhove said.

WHO officials "look forward to making progress" on the investigation, not only into the animal origins of the virus but also into how the virus can jump from species to species, said Dr. Mike Ryan, director of WHO's Health Emergencies Programme.

"The real question is -- the original species barrier, where did that occur? And that is still unknown," Ryan said during Monday's briefing.

Ryan added that the investigation starts where the first Covid-19 case was identified -- in Wuhan, China -- and then scientists will follow wherever evidence leads them.

"The terms of reference for the investigations clearly lay out in Phase 1 the necessary epidemiologic and clinical and serologic and retrospective studies that need to be done to establish whether or not there's any evidence trail that will lead back," Ryan said.

"It is like looking for a needle in the haystack sometimes," Ryan added. "This is not easy to achieve. So we will pursue those investigations over the next couple of months in Phase 1 and hopefully move on to Phase 2."

by Anonymousreply 4November 24, 2020 12:58 PM

Italy to start distributing Covid-19 vaccine at the end of January, says PM

From CNN's Nicola Ruotolo in Rome and Sharon Braithwaite in Pisa

Italy wants to start distributing a Covid-19 vaccine at the end of January, Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte said Monday during an interview on Italian television channel La7.

Conte added that the vaccine at the moment should not be administered on a mandatory basis but only voluntarily. The vaccine will be available first to the fragile and most exposed to danger, he said.

When asked if he would get vaccinated, Conte said he "will definitely do it," because when it will be distributed it will be "absolutely safe."

He also added he would not be among the first to be vaccinated since the "fragile and most exposed to danger need to have it first."

The European Union has signed deals for the supply of millions of vaccine doses with multiple drugmakers, including AstraZeneca, Moderna and Pfizer.

Italy’s coronavirus death toll reached 50,043 on Monday after an increase of 630 fatalities in the previous 24 hours, the Italian health ministry said on Monday.

The ministry added that the number of cases had increased by 22,930 bringing the total number to 1,431,795.

Globally there are 1,390,516 coronavirus related deaths and Italy is ranked as the sixth highest in the world, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

by Anonymousreply 5November 24, 2020 12:58 PM

Study finds a very small link between blood type O and lower risk for severe Covid-19 illness

From CNN Health's Jacqueline Howard

Evidence has been accumulating that there might be an association between blood type O and a lower risk of Covid-19 and getting severely ill, and now a new study adds to that research.

The study, published in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine Monday, found that those with blood type O and negative Rh blood types may have a "slightly lower" risk for coronavirus infection and getting severely ill.

The researchers -- based in Toronto, Canada -- analyzed health data on 225,556 people who were tested for Covid-19 between January 15 and June 30.

There's a very small difference, however. The researchers found that 2.9% of those who tested positive for coronavirus had blood type O compared with 4.1% of people with type B, 3.8% of people with type AB and 3% of people with blood type A.

When it came to severe illness, the data showed that 0.5% of those with blood type O were among the patients with severe symptoms of Covid-19, or among those who died. That compared with 0.7% of people with blood type B, 0.7% with type AB and 0.6% with type A blood.

The study also found that 2.3% of those with rhesus-negative blood type had Covid-19 compared with 3.3% of those with Rh-positive blood type -- and 0.5% of those with Rh-negative blood type had severe disease or died compared with 0.6% of those with Rh-positive type.

The Rhesus-system is the second most important blood group system after ABO.

Yet these findings only suggest an association between blood type and Covid-19 risk.

More research is needed to determine the nature of that relationship -- and while there are some theories, researchers don't yet know what mechanism could explain the link between different blood types and Covid-19.

by Anonymousreply 6November 24, 2020 1:00 PM

"I'm a healthy 31-year-old former college athlete with no preexisting conditions and like many other people, I was still knocked out by a moderate case of covid-19," WaPo's Jacqueline Alemany wrote on Monday. Alemany kept in touch with sources during quarantine, and in conversations with Republicans, she was "struck by how dissonant those conversations were from some of the GOP's public rhetoric about the virus."

She wrote that some sources" lamented how flippantly their own bosses and colleagues were still treating the virus. One GOP Hill staffer encouraged me to write about my experience with the virus because their boss still doesn't 'think it's real.'"

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by Anonymousreply 7November 24, 2020 1:01 PM

not gonna be flying quatas any time soon.......

Qantas boss says passengers will need to be vaccinated for international flights

From CNN's Helen Regan and Angus Watson

Australia's national carrier Qantas will require future international travelers to prove they have been vaccinated against Covid-19 before flying.

The airline's CEO Alan Joyce said in an interview with CNN affiliate Nine News on Monday that the move would be a "necessity" when coronavirus vaccines are readily available.

Joyce said the airline was looking at changing its terms and conditions to "ask people to have a vaccination before they get on the aircraft." ""Whether you need that domestically, we will have to see what happens with Covid-19 in the market. But certainly, for international visitors coming out and people leaving the country, we think that's a necessity," the Qantas chief said."

While Qantas is the first airline to indicate that Covid-19 vaccinations would be a must before travel, others could soon follow suit.

"I think it will be a common theme, talking to my colleagues in other airlines across the world," Joyce said.

A spokesperson for AirAsia told CNN Travel on Tuesday that once a vaccine is available the airline "will review the requirement for guests to be vaccinated against Covid-19 for international travel."

Air New Zealand said it was "really encouraged by the news around vaccines" and said in a statement that "ultimately, it's up to governments to determine when and how it is safe to reopen borders and we continue to work closely with authorities on this."

by Anonymousreply 8November 24, 2020 1:02 PM

AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine success followed major scientific mistake

AstraZeneca’s UK scientists made a major mistake during trials of its coronavirus vaccine — one that led to its most important breakthrough, the team’s lead researcher said.

The team working with Oxford University was supposed to give volunteers two full doses of the vaccine, which proved to be around 62% effective in the group given the correct portions.

But one group of British volunteers was initially only given a half dose by mistake — a ration that tested to be up to 90% effective when combined with a full dose at least a month later.

“That, in essence, is how we stumbled upon” the successful combination, Mene Pangalos, the head of AstraZeneca’s non-oncology research and development, told Reuters.

“Yes, it was a mistake.”

The dosage mishap was only realized after that group of volunteers suffered far milder side effects than the headaches and fatigue expected, Pangalos said.

“So we went back and checked … and we found out that they had underpredicted the dose of the vaccine by half,” he told the wire service.

“The reason we had the half dose is serendipity,” Pangalos said of it leading to the key breakthrough.

AstraZeneca is now the third drug maker reporting encouraging vaccine results, joining Pfizer and Moderna whose shots both tested up to 95% effective in trials.

The latest vaccine option is easier to distribute, however, as it only needs to be refrigerated rather than frozen like the other two.

It is also cheaper, with AstraZeneca pledging to not make a profit on the vaccine during the pandemic, reaching agreements with governments and international health organizations that put its cost at about $2.50 a dose.

Pfizer’s vaccine costs about $20, while Moderna’s is $15 to $25, based on agreements the companies have struck to supply their vaccines to the US government.

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by Anonymousreply 9November 24, 2020 1:05 PM

I don't know how I can trust this vaccine...they can't even get the dosage right.

by Anonymousreply 10November 24, 2020 1:06 PM

[quote]Qantas boss says passengers will need to be vaccinated for international flights

This will become mandatory for all airlines with international routes eventually. Australia is announcing it first because they have almost eradicated the virus along with New Zealand and the Pacific area and are resuming travel to approved locations. i.e. NOT America.

by Anonymousreply 11November 24, 2020 1:30 PM

Not news to anyone here, but

[quote] It means that some of the people who get infected over Thanksgiving will struggle to enter packed hospitals by the middle of December, and be in the ground by Christmas.

'Tis the season to be sorry.

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by Anonymousreply 12November 24, 2020 1:33 PM

It is what it is.

by Anonymousreply 13November 24, 2020 1:34 PM

CNBC:

[quote]New Covid-19 infection levels in the U.S. are showing the earliest signs of improvement. The national seven-day average of daily new infections now stands at 172,118 as of Monday. That’s an all-time record, but only 11% higher than the prior week. Average daily new infections had been posting roughly 30% weekly growth before beginning to taper off late last week. It’s possible rising demand for Covid tests ahead of the Thanksgiving holiday is slowing turnaround and reporting, but for the moment new case tallies appear to be slowing.

Of course, any improvement will be quickly reversed -- and then some -- by Thanksgiving-fueled spread of the virus.

by Anonymousreply 14November 24, 2020 2:51 PM

This doctor explains how doctors can now predict who will be at highest risk for complications and death from Covid-19 by looking at a series of blood test results.

He says you can use this to predict bad outcomes as early as when patients are admitted to the hospital.

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by Anonymousreply 15November 24, 2020 3:23 PM

Nothing he's saying there is news, though. We were seeing that back in the spring, particularly with the iron panels and CRP.

But he is FAP material, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 16November 24, 2020 4:10 PM

From the Youtube comment section from r15

Jamaica: "I wish you were my doctor."

by Anonymousreply 17November 24, 2020 4:24 PM

"the previous one was pay walled towards the end."

That $1.50/mo. is intimidating, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 18November 24, 2020 4:30 PM

The preferred strategy of the global right is to get as many people infected as quickly as possible and get it over with. From that standpoint Trump's campaign to gaslight Americans into believing all the bad news about COVID is just left-wing propaganda has been a staggering success. Even people who supposedly understand the science and the stakes involved are doing incredibly stupid, risky things that facilitate the virus' spread. Because they're so used to seeing other people doing worse things they figure, this isn't so bad.

by Anonymousreply 19November 24, 2020 4:40 PM

We have officially un-invited our neighbors for Thanksgiving here in Belgium due to the pandemic. Another time. Another place. Just the two of us now and our 5 wonderful pets. But, everybody is getting a plate. Though a very small turkey only plate for our little four-legged family. We will celebrate together!

by Anonymousreply 20November 24, 2020 8:24 PM

Chris Hayes:

We will probably have 2000 Covid deaths today.

And in three weeks we'll look back longingly at that number.

by Anonymousreply 21November 24, 2020 10:02 PM

My daughter decided at the last minute to not fly from DC to Florida for Thanksgiving. While I applaud her decision, my partner and I will miss her dearly. She is also worried because I am a frontline health care worker and have never worked from home since March. But it's just one year-- there will be other holidays.

by Anonymousreply 22November 24, 2020 10:24 PM

Some of my coworkers and doctor friends from other facilities have been posting their travel plans.

I want to burn everything to the ground.

by Anonymousreply 23November 24, 2020 10:26 PM

It's the only thing they respond to R23.

by Anonymousreply 24November 24, 2020 10:30 PM

White House considering lifting European travel restrictions as US Covid-19 cases surge

From CNN's Jeremy Diamond

The White House is strongly considering lifting sweeping restrictions on travel from the European Union and the United Kingdom, an administration official confirmed.

Discussions have been ongoing for several weeks about lifting the restrictions, which ban entry to most foreigners who have been to Europe in the two weeks before their arrival in the US. Reuters first reported on the discussions.

An administration official told CNN that the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has expressed some reservations about lifting the restrictions, but the agency is not expected to block the move.

The discussions come at a time when the US is experiencing its worst surge of coronavirus, and as many European countries also face higher levels of coronavirus cases.

President Trump has yet to sign off on the move, but once he does, the restrictions are unlikely to be lifted until the US and European countries have established a protocol for safe travel between the two countries.

The White House did not immediately respond to a CNN request for comment. The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention directed CNN to the White House and the Health and Human Services Department when asked for comment.

Trump first banned most travel from the European Union and UK in March as the pandemic escalated. The EU soon followed suit, restricting most travel from the US and other countries.

by Anonymousreply 25November 25, 2020 1:37 PM

And now I bring you this bullshit from the Pittsburgh suburbs.

The Pennsyltucky part of Pittsburgh spreads further and further, enveloping all in its wake while the Pittsburgh part of Pittsburgh shrinks into an ever-smaller bubble. Don't cross the rivers!

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by Anonymousreply 26November 25, 2020 4:06 PM

Our main library and the few remaining branches, after reopening a few months ago, were once again recently closed. It's strictly curbside pickup and return until further notice.

by Anonymousreply 27November 26, 2020 5:12 AM

They can keep their dirty books until this is all over with.

by Anonymousreply 28November 26, 2020 5:59 AM

Libraries all have options for electronic book "borrowing", R27. Who reads physical books anymore?

by Anonymousreply 29November 26, 2020 6:33 AM

Chris Hayes:

The brutal truth is this: the country’s leadership just doesn’t think the loss of 2200 people a day is all that much of an emergency. “It is what it is.” It will, of course, get even worse and I don’t think the attitude will change.

Just total failure in nearly every direction to fight for and protect our people, our fellow Americans. To look out for them and protect them and care for them. It’s shocking to me, each day anew.

by Anonymousreply 30November 26, 2020 12:18 PM

A grim milestone: the US has reached 100,000 deaths in nursing homes from COVID-19

That is **7.7%** of all nursing home residents nationally. 1 in 13.

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by Anonymousreply 31November 26, 2020 12:20 PM

The Handmaiden has ruled that religious gatherings are A OK!

by Anonymousreply 32November 26, 2020 1:31 PM

It's a zombie virus!

USA Today: Dead mink infected with a mutated form of COVID-19 rise from graves after mass culling.

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by Anonymousreply 33November 26, 2020 3:04 PM

Je$us will save them, R32, you heathen!

by Anonymousreply 34November 26, 2020 4:28 PM

Well, shit!

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by Anonymousreply 35November 26, 2020 6:25 PM

Never imagined that some states would challenge NY in terms of deaths but it seems likely now that Texas, California and Florida will eventually get there, especially after the holidays. So terribly sad and frustrating as we had plenty of time to avoid this. We were warned!

by Anonymousreply 36November 26, 2020 8:49 PM

Happy Thanksgiving DL family! Enjoy!

by Anonymousreply 37November 26, 2020 9:57 PM

Does the Astra (Oxford University) Vaccine have a high degree of efficacy in older people? It's not entirely clear from the data.

[quote] Astra Vaccine’s 90% Efficacy in Covid Came in Younger Group

[quote] The dose of AstraZeneca Plc’s Covid vaccine that showed the highest level of effectiveness was tested in a younger population than a bigger dose that showed less efficacy, according to the head of the U.S. Operation Warp Speed program.

[quote] The vaccine being developed with Oxford University was 90% effective when a half-dose was given before a full-dose booster, the partners said on Monday. However, that regime was administered to participants in a group whose age was capped at 55, Warp Speed’s Moncef Slaoui said Tuesday in a phone call with reporters.

However,

[quote] Older people have a weaker response than younger people to some vaccines, like flu shots. Results from a phase 2 study of the Astra-Oxford vaccine published last week in The Lancet medical journal confirmed a strong response to the vaccine in older people.

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by Anonymousreply 38November 27, 2020 2:19 PM

We're not going to know the way this vaccine works on various age groups, and the short term/long term side effects for at least a full year.

But it certainly provides hope for our future.

by Anonymousreply 39November 27, 2020 2:31 PM

they want to give this to the elderly first...poor bastards, if covid doesn't kill you, maybe this vaccine will lol.

I'm taking a wait and see approach. I want to see all the politicians take it first before me.

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by Anonymousreply 43November 27, 2020 3:30 PM

"Black Friday". I never liked the term. It sounds so...ominous.

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by Anonymousreply 44November 27, 2020 3:33 PM

R42 Are those people lined up to get into....Foot Locker?! I hope they die.

Meanwhile, Allegheny County has added more coronavirus cases in the past 48 hours (1,642) than in all of May and June combined (1,471).

by Anonymousreply 45November 27, 2020 6:04 PM

I think I just heard that South Dakota has a 40% positive rate. Unbelievable.

by Anonymousreply 46November 27, 2020 7:06 PM

SantaCon is canceled. Thank Christ something good came out of this.

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by Anonymousreply 47November 27, 2020 7:31 PM

Wait until February. THEN the Republicans will suddenly care about the virus and blame the spiraling death counts as proof that the Democrats shouldn't be in power.

by Anonymousreply 48November 27, 2020 7:52 PM

Asymptomatic Oklahoma health care workers with COVID-19 infection can continue to work

Health care workers in Oklahoma who have tested positive for the novel coronavirus but are asymptomatic — meaning they are not showing any symptoms — can continue working at hospitals and long-term care facilities, but only as a “last resort,” according to health officials in the state.

“Because some Oklahoma hospitals and nursing homes are experiencing staffing shortages, the Oklahoma State Department of Health is allowing asymptomatic staff who previously tested positive for COVID-19 to continue working,” Travis Kirkpatrick, deputy commissioner of the Oklahoma Department of Health, in a statement, according to The Oklahoman.

“This is something already happening in many other states and we ask that it only be used as a last resort in emergencies and extreme staffing shortages,” he added.

States such as North Dakota and Michigan have implemented similar rules over fears of staffing shortages.

Kirkpatrick noted, however, that asymptomatic workers would not be allowed to treat non-COVID-19 patients and should be kept separate from other health care workers who are not infected. He said it would be up to hospitals and long term care facilities “to come up with their own protocols” around this, however, the newspaper reported.

“No nurse should ever be forced to work when they are asymptomatic,” he added, noting only health care workers who have volunteered to work while experiencing no symptoms should do so.

Some health care workers in the state have pushed back on the new guidance, however. The Oklahoma Nurses Association, for instance, called it “reckless.”

“Why would we imperil our nurses, patients and other health care staff by resorting to the use of asymptomatic COVID-19 positive nurses when we haven’t exhausted other strategies?” the association said in a statement, according to The Oklahoman.

In Oklahoma, there has been an explosive increase in COVID-19 cases recently. State officials reported 3,732 new cases on Wednesday alone. To date, the Sooner State has recorded more than 184,000 cases of the deadly virus, according to official estimates.

As of Tuesday, about 1,566 in the state were hospitalized with COVID-19, a record high, according to data from the COVID Tracking Project.

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by Anonymousreply 49November 27, 2020 7:52 PM

Nevada now has one COVID-19 case a minute, one death per two hours

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by Anonymousreply 50November 27, 2020 7:54 PM

With the infection rate happening that fast, does anyone else think the virus has somehow mutated or is a lot more prevalent in the air than initially thought? Like you can walk around outside not even near anyone, breathe in and get it?

I had horrid nightmares all last night about being out and about and only realizing later that I didn't have a mask on. And I would discover it, make sure to put one on the next time I was out, but I never had one. It was awful. By the time I woke up, I was panic stricken.

by Anonymousreply 51November 27, 2020 8:45 PM

Confirming the obvious. AGAIN.

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by Anonymousreply 52November 27, 2020 8:45 PM

R48, I wonder if they can somehow bring up the “death panels” again while ranting about the pandemic and Democrats!

by Anonymousreply 53November 27, 2020 8:48 PM

[quote]does anyone else think the virus has somehow mutated or is a lot more prevalent in the air than initially thought?

The virus doesn't need to mutate, Americans are making things easy for it.

by Anonymousreply 54November 27, 2020 8:50 PM

[quote] does anyone else think the virus has somehow mutated or is a lot more prevalent in the air than initially thought? Like you can walk around outside not even near anyone, breathe in and get it?

No.

by Anonymousreply 55November 27, 2020 8:50 PM

Wednesday’s insane SCOTUS ruling just reconfirms that ultra-religious people should be shunned as the plague carriers they are.

by Anonymousreply 56November 27, 2020 8:53 PM

[quote]Even people who supposedly understand the science and the stakes involved are doing incredibly stupid, risky things that facilitate the virus' spread.

That's what I don't understand, even people who spent weeks or months saying "wear a mask! stay at home!" had a big Thanksgiving with friends and relatives. One lady I follow who got COVID in March and is still dealing with heart problems from it went to her family's big get-together. Another semi celebrity who had to quarantine with her parents for months finally got to go back to her home and immediately hosted a huge Thanksgiving dinner with siblings and nieces and nephews.

by Anonymousreply 57November 27, 2020 8:57 PM

I don't think the virus has mutated, I think it's always been hilariously contagious and people are just being too cavalier about it. I mean, I probably got it from people who wore masks but kept them below their nose. There's nowhere else I could have picked it up. I wasn't at a super spreader event, I didn't go into any big grocery store or anything, I just got it from a relatively small business where people were sorta being careful but not quite careful enough, and my own mask and hand sanitizer and other precautions weren't enough to counteract that.

by Anonymousreply 58November 27, 2020 9:00 PM

R51 last I read virus lives on surfaces. So its all over grocery packaging.

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by Anonymousreply 60November 27, 2020 9:06 PM

Coronavirus live updates: Texas sees more than 76,000 new COVID cases in a week

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by Anonymousreply 61November 27, 2020 9:12 PM

Black Friday In-Store Shopping Significantly Drops Due To Covid Pandemic

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by Anonymousreply 62November 27, 2020 9:23 PM

[quote] [R51] last I read virus lives on surfaces. So its all over grocery packaging.

See, and I've recently read that they haven't found any real evidence that people have been getting infected from surfaces. 9 months and I still feel like we are too in the dark.

by Anonymousreply 63November 27, 2020 9:30 PM

Not sure about you, but my circle of friends and family who contracted the virus or who know people who got it is growing. Over 20 cases now that I personally know about and 2 deaths. Now my sister in-law and nephew are sick. Stay safe. Stay alert!

by Anonymousreply 64November 27, 2020 9:33 PM

R60, someone on my city's Facebook page said in a thread about the virus that she is sure she had it in late December, even though we didn't officially get a case in the state until March 1st. She had all the symptoms and later tested positive for the antibody. She's hoping to get into a study that her doctor mentioned Mayo Clinic is doing specifically about the virus possibly having existed earlier than we know.

by Anonymousreply 65November 27, 2020 9:35 PM

R65. Indeed. I think it was around much earlier than we know. I am also not necessarily pointing the finger at India. Just saying that it may have been present there long before Wuhan. This is one of the reasons that I find Chump's labelling COVID-19 as the "China virus" so disturbing. First, it is incredibly racist and second, it may not have originated there. We may never know... FYI, I also visited China for 4 weeks in 2018. It was a truly magical experience

by Anonymousreply 66November 27, 2020 9:50 PM

Sylvia, I'm not at all disputing any of those recommendations (which at this point should be temporary law as far as I'm concerned) and I would say I'm on the very high end of manic carefulness about everything that I do and everywhere I go (the few places I do go, even downstairs to do laundry or down the hall to toss out my garbage) with gloves and masks. It's just that when I see a stat like Nevada having one infection every minute, either it means everyone has just decided- fuck masks and fuck distancing, or something new is going on with the virus.

Then again, since I posted my query, I just spoke to my aunt, who is in NJ. She went to a Thanksgiving dinner last night at her son's house and there were 14 people there. Her grandson got married last week and it was a gathering of 50 people. And she's not a Trumper and in the several conversations we've had about COVID, she understands how serious it is. So I guess it's that people have relaxed their safety protocols, possibly out of sheer exhaustion. I know that when I do have to leave my building to go out, I can get very frustrated by the whole process of getting myself protected. Sometimes I'll forget something non-PPE (such as my phone or wallet) and get really annoyed. It doesn't mean I'm giving up on doing it, but I can see how others who aren't as OCD as I am would.

I guess I just want some better answers and I feel like after nearly 9 months, we're all entitled to them. But we also all know why we don't have them.

by Anonymousreply 67November 27, 2020 9:51 PM

R19, I am witnessing this behavior up close, and my thoughts are a bit different.

I believe that some of these people are malignant narcissists and/or sociopaths. This isn’t a behavioral anomaly that starts with being in denial of the virus and it’s effects on specific populations, or even the veracity of clinical information available. This started the moment groups of people, comprised of individuals from all sociopaths-economic backgrounds, banded together and supported a sociopath as a presidential candidate and eventual president.

There is something inherently corrosive and even dangerous, in people who supported this man, for absolutely NO GOOD REASON AND AGAINST ALL MORAL INDICATIONS OF WHAT MAKES UP THE ESSENTIAL QUALITIES OF A GOOD PERSON.

I’m sorry, but we cannot continue to look at these people as innocents who were conned by the best con artist ever. I can tell you right now and truthfully, that some of these people just don’t give a fuck about anyone but themselves, and many of them are actually enjoying this. Something about seeing people die agonizing deaths, just turns them on, in ways that we cannot even imagine or understand, because we’re incapable of doing so.

Normal people cannot do this, and many of us refuse to believe that we have a large citizenry of REALLY AWFUL, UNCARING PEOPLE.

But believe me, we do. I was in denial about it forever, and once this pandemic hit, I saw it “live” and in action.

We’re a country filled with some of the most fucked up people anywhere on earth. It’s time we recognize that ma y of our own countrymen are actually our biggest enemies.

They’re not stupid fools falling for everything on FOX. Yes, those people exist, but are fewer than we think.

Most of these people are borderline, if not, actual sociopaths.

That’s the truth and it hurt, but it is as real as this pandemic, sadly.

by Anonymousreply 68November 27, 2020 10:19 PM

L.A. County adopts new stay-at-home order, banning most public and private gatherings

As the number of new coronavirus cases continued to rise in Los Angeles County, health officials Friday issued a temporary stay-at-home order that will take effect Monday.

The order prohibits all public and private gatherings with individuals not in the same household, except for religious services and protests. It imposes new occupancy limits on businesses, such as personal care and retail, but does not close them. Beaches, trails and parks will remain open, but gatherings at those sites with nonhousehold members are banned.

by Anonymousreply 69November 27, 2020 11:40 PM

[quote] does anyone else think the virus has somehow mutated or is a lot more prevalent in the air than initially thought? Like you can walk around outside not even near anyone, breathe in and get it?

No. This accelerated accumulation of pos people is exactly what we would expect as more people become positive. There is nothing unexpected about this. This was predicted and exactly why we have been warned so aggressively to be careful.

by Anonymousreply 70November 27, 2020 11:49 PM

South Dakota rate is now 43% positive.

by Anonymousreply 71November 28, 2020 12:32 AM

R67, I started keeping a lidded plastic shoebox full of masks, gloves and bleach wipes on the front seat of my car. Because if I don’t do that, I’ll drive to the other end of town and find out I don’t have a mask.

About sunglasses, it’s not good to leave them in the car all the time because temperature changes can cause the anti-scratch coating to peel. I leave them in an eyeglass case next to my wallet on a shelf that I have to walk by on my way out the door. When I come back, I put them back on the shelf first thing, and leave them there until next time.

If I didn’t do that, I’d either wash my wallet or forget to bring my sunglasses.

by Anonymousreply 72November 28, 2020 12:58 AM

Pfizer’s vaccine being flown on dry-ice packed United Airlines charter planes

United Airlines has already begun flying Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine into position — including trips to and from locations in the U.S. and Europe — in anticipation of approval by the Food and Drug Administration and other regulators, according to a report.

The first charter flights are part of Pfizer’s efforts to move quickly once approvals are granted, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Pfizer has final vaccine assembly centers in Kalamazoo, Michigan, and in Puurs, Belgium, and runs distribution storage sites in Pleasant Prairie, Wis., and Karlsruhe, Germany, the paper said.

Pfizer declined to comment on the WSJ report.

The FAA said in a statement to the paper on Friday that it is supporting the “first mass air shipment of a vaccine,” and is working with other airlines on vaccine transportation.

The agency told the paper it would allow United to fly five times more dry ice than is usually permitted — 15,000 pounds per flight — to keep the vaccine at the extremely chilled temperature it needs to prevent spoiling.

The first approvals for the Pfizer vaccine are expected to come from Europe, including in the UK.

The pharmaceutical company sought emergency FDA approval on Nov. 20.

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by Anonymousreply 73November 28, 2020 4:33 AM

And what do you bet that all these Republican politicians who have been encouraging people to socialize and not wear masks will be first in line to get the vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 74November 28, 2020 4:38 AM

Will covid-19 vaccines save lives? Current trials aren’t designed to tell us

As phase III trials of covid-19 vaccines reach their target enrolments, officials have been trying to project calm. The US coronavirus czar Anthony Fauci and the Food and Drug Administration leadership have offered public assurances that established procedures will be followed.1234 Only a “safe and effective” vaccine will be approved, they say, and nine vaccine manufacturers issued a rare joint statement pledging not to prematurely seek regulatory review.5

But what will it mean exactly when a vaccine is declared “effective”? To the public this seems fairly obvious. “The primary goal of a covid-19 vaccine is to keep people from getting very sick and dying,” a National Public Radio broadcast said bluntly.6

Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said, “Ideally, you want an antiviral vaccine to do two things . . . first, reduce the likelihood you will get severely ill and go to the hospital, and two, prevent infection and therefore interrupt disease transmission

Yet the current phase III trials are not actually set up to prove either (table 1). None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths. Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus

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by Anonymousreply 75November 28, 2020 4:58 AM

Test

by Anonymousreply 76November 28, 2020 5:21 AM

Even if vaccination starts in December, it won't have any impact on the size of the second wave from the virus spreading through holiday travel and gatherings. It might help health care workers from getting sick, and that might help the response effort in caring for the infected but that's about it. If hospital overcrowding becomes a factor, even having a healthy staff won't be able to do much.

by Anonymousreply 77November 28, 2020 5:22 AM

Serial passage GOF, virus.

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by Anonymousreply 78November 28, 2020 6:23 AM

I had to go to the mall of America tonight to make a return, and it was packed pretty full. Plenty of masks below noses, I even saw someone in an upside down shield.

by Anonymousreply 79November 28, 2020 6:41 AM

I went to the hardware store bought a pair of protective glasses, the kind you wear when using power saws and the like. They cover the eyes and have panels that wrap around the sides, and are large enough to fit over sunglasses. I wear them when going shopping, and it is easier to deal with than a face shield. Only problem for me is that they sometimes steam up.

by Anonymousreply 80November 28, 2020 1:04 PM

I hope that with Los Angeles having to shut down again, California's EDD will think twice about what they're looking to do. Last week they sent out a notice asking for proof of income from everyone for 2019 to make sure there were no overpayments. All well and good except that most independent contractors, gig workers and self employed individuals were told early on to report gross when they were supposed to report net, and California is looking for that money back. Some people will have to pay back upwards of $12,000 AND have their weekly benefits reduced by up to 2/3. This is an issue affecting millions of people in the state through no fault of their own.

by Anonymousreply 81November 28, 2020 1:05 PM

R67 Indeed people have relaxed their standards. Many may tell themselves (rationalise) that they did it for a good and worthy cause, "to see their family over the holiday", and that it's temporary loosening of their usual restrictions.

An article recently estimated those travelling in the States were roughly 52M people. I'm not clear on whether that was only air travel, or all travellers. Many people I know who went as a guest for Thanksgiving all bragged how small the gathering was, 3-5 people on average, yet they all had some orphan guest, or boyfriend or girlfriend who flew in as a guest. I think therein lies the problem.

by Anonymousreply 82November 28, 2020 4:46 PM

It was definitely not air travel R52, but I'm sure that number isn't far off in totality.

by Anonymousreply 83November 28, 2020 4:55 PM

Bloomberg's Stephen Dennis:

South Dakota records its deadliest day of COVID pandemic with 54 more dead.

Adjusting for population, that would be like ~20,000 deaths in 1 day nationwide.

by Anonymousreply 84November 28, 2020 9:06 PM

Axios: San Francisco will begin imposing a curfew Monday night after California moved the city to the state’s most restrictive “purple” tier due to a surge in coronavirus cases, Mayor London Breed announced on Twitter Saturday.

Driving the news: Breed said the city is currently averaging 118 new cases per day compared to 73 per day in the first week of November. The mayor added that the city recorded 768 cases during the week of Nov. 16.

by Anonymousreply 85November 28, 2020 9:28 PM

[quote]Oh wow this is amazing and darkly hilarious -- Amazon customer reviews of scented candles fell off a cliff in 2020, with growing amounts of reviewers complaining about lack of scent! - Christopher Ingraham

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by Anonymousreply 86November 28, 2020 10:32 PM

155 arrested in London amid anti-lockdown protests

Anti-lockdown and anti-vaccine protesters joined forces to march through London Saturday in defiance of the nationwide lockdown, prompting 155 arrests.

About 400 demonstrators led by the group Save Our Rights UK carried signs saying “Defend Freedom, Defend Humanity,” and “No more lies, no more masks, no more lockdowns,” as they marched through central London’s West End shopping district and in St James’s Park, near Westminster.

England’s current lockdown ends Wednesday. Tiered restrictions are slated to come into force when the wider lockdown ends.

Cops lining the streets were booed and met with chants of “shame on you,” the BBC reported, as the demonstrators, many not wearing face masks, ignored requests to leave.

The Metropolitan Police said they had intercepted and turned back buses full of people attempting to join the demonstrations. Civil rights groups have argued that the right to safely protest should be explicitly exempt from virus-related restrictions.

About 155 demonstrators were arrested, according to Reuters, for offenses ranging from assaulting a police officer, to possession of drugs and breaching coronavirus restrictions.

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by Anonymousreply 87November 28, 2020 10:39 PM

Eric Clapton, Van Morrison join forces to help out-of-work musicians

Eric Clapton and Van Morrison are sick of what Britain’s coronavirus lockdown is doing to their fellow musicians — and they’re fighting back.

The rockers, both 75, have recorded a single to raise money for the Lockdown Financial Hardship Fund, which Morrison launched in March when the UK locked down the first time.

Clapton performs the track, titled “Stand and Deliver,” set for release Friday; Morrison was the songwriter.

“It is heartbreaking to see so many talented musicians lack any meaningful support from the government,” Morrison told Variety, “but we want to reassure them that we are working hard every day to lobby for the return of live music, and to save our industry.”

The “Brown Eyed Girl” singer has been a critic of the restrictions from the beginning, tweeting almost daily about the pandemic. This fall, he dropped three anti-lockdown anthems: “Born To Be Free,” “As I Walked Out” and “No Mre Lockdown.”

Clapton is fully behind Morrison’s campaign, Variety reported.

“There are many of us who support Van and his endeavors to save live music; he is an inspiration,” Clapton said. “We must stand up and be counted because we need to find a way out of this mess. The alternative is not worth thinking about. Live music might never recover.”

Brits came out of a monthlong lockdown Wednesday, only to go back to a tiered system of restrictions that last at least through December. So far, the UK death toll stands at more than 57,000.

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by Anonymousreply 88November 28, 2020 10:40 PM

R88 Give me live music or give me death! At 75, they sure don't seem to give a f*ck.

by Anonymousreply 89November 28, 2020 11:18 PM

Pandemic in a country with sane leaders?

[quote]Australia news report celebrating *the end of COVID* — 28 days with no cases in Victoria after once having *8,000* active COVID cases.

[quote]They did it without a vaccine.

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by Anonymousreply 90November 29, 2020 2:00 AM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 91November 29, 2020 3:45 AM

To stop your glasses, goggles, and face shields from fogging up, spread diluted dishwashing liquid on both inside and outside and let it dry. If the soap looks too opaque when dry, then use a paper towel or Kleenex to buff the surfaces until they are clear enough for you to see through. This method works.

Also make sure that your masks have a metal nose bridge that you squeeze tight over the bridge of your nose, so heat/steam won't rise from your mouth. People are now using Band-Aids if they don't have metal nose strips. There are adhesive nose bridge strips sold online if you want to stick them inside your face masks.

by Anonymousreply 92November 29, 2020 10:06 AM

One more reason to despise Clapton...

by Anonymousreply 93November 29, 2020 11:18 AM

Former FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb published a piece on mask usage in today's WSJ, which is unfortunately paywalled (but can be read at the link below). The gist:

[quote]Cloth mask 10-30% protective. A surgical mask, a level-two or level-three surgical mask, procedure mask, maybe about 60% effective. An N95 mask or an equivalent like a KN95 mask, Chinese equivalent, or FFP2 mask, European equivalent to an N95, that could be 90-95% protective.

I was aware of the hierarchy of protection of these masks, but I did not know that cloth masks were so ineffective. Helps explain why the virus is still running rampant, even though a good portion of the public wears masks in public spaces.

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by Anonymousreply 94November 29, 2020 12:09 PM

While I doubt those numbers are quite that low, a non-trivial part of mask wearing involves keeping the size of inoculum low. There's evidence that that might (stress: MIGHT) impact disease severity.

by Anonymousreply 95November 29, 2020 12:17 PM

I pretty much wear only two or three ply cloth masks because real N95s are impossible to get and KN95s smell like they've been sitting in chemicals for a year and I'm not about to inhale that shit. Now that I know I'm basically wearing a napkin on my face, I'm going to make sure to put a PM2.5 filter in each mask and toss the ones that don't have pouches.

by Anonymousreply 96November 29, 2020 1:16 PM

R94, I'm not sure what you're referencing. The article you posted isn't from WaPo, mentions nothing about levels of efficacy and seems to be written by someone whose first language is not English.

I'm a WaPo subscriber so I went on to search for the article you referenced and I don't see it anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 97November 29, 2020 1:23 PM

He said it was from the Wall Street Journal, R97. I can't check it to see because of the paywall.

by Anonymousreply 98November 29, 2020 1:44 PM

I'm sorry, I don't know why I typed WaPo instead of WSJ. I'm at the end of a long all nighter.

I found it by doing a google search. The article is a week old (which doesn't mean anything except that I was looking for something with the 28th on it.)

by Anonymousreply 99November 29, 2020 1:54 PM

I have been wearing 2 disposables masks (at the same time) since May. Now I see lots and lots of people who wear at least 2 masks at the same time

by Anonymousreply 100November 29, 2020 3:40 PM

Hong Kong reports 115 coronavirus cases, its highest single-day increase since early August

From CNN's Isaac Yee in Hong Kong

Hong Kong has reported 115 new coronavirus cases on Sunday, marking the largest single-day increase in cases since August 2, when the city also recorded 115 cases, according to health officials in the city.

Of the 115 new cases, 109 were locally transmitted while the remaining six cases were imported from overseas, according to Dr. Chuang Shuk-kwan of the Center for Health Protection. Among the 109 locally transmitted cases, 62 cases were linked to the night club cluster, bringing the total number of cases in the cluster to 479. The origins of 24 cases could not be traced.

“The epidemic is taking a turn for the worst,” said Dr. Chuang as she urged people to minimize social gatherings and limit the spread of the virus. Dr. Chuang added that the rising number of cases is “very alarming” and according to the trend the current situation is “more severe than the last wave.”

The new cases bring the total number of infections in the city to 6,239, while the number of deaths remained at 109 according to Dr. Chuang.

The city will suspend all face-to-face classes at kindergartens, primary and secondary schools from Wednesday onwards.

“This Wednesday (December 2) face-to-face classes and school activities all kindergartens, primary and secondary schools will be suspended until after the Christmas holiday,” the government said in a statement released on Sunday.

Hong Kong was a city lauded for its quick and effective response to the coronavirus pandemic, but in July health authorities warned of potential "exponential growth" in new cases of Covid-19.

by Anonymousreply 101November 29, 2020 3:40 PM

Colorado governor and spouse test positive for Covid-19

From CNN's Melissa Alonso and Jeremy Harlan

Colorado Gov. Jared Polis and his spouse have tested positive for Covid-19 and are both asymptomatic, according to a statement from the governor's office.

"This evening, Governor Polis and First Gentleman (Marlon) Reis learned that they have tested positive for COVID-19," the statement reads.

Both are feeling well and will continue to isolate in their home, according to the statement.

"Marlon and I are feeling well so far, and are in good spirits. No person or family is immune to this virus. I urge every Coloradan to practice caution, limit public interactions, wear a mask in public, stay six feet from others, and wash your hands regularly," said Polis, a Democrat.

The governor "will continue to fulfill his duties and responsibilities and continue to work remotely," according to the statement.

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by Anonymousreply 102November 29, 2020 3:42 PM

Once a coronavirus hotspot, the Australian state of Victoria has now gone 30 days without a fresh case

From CNN's Isaac Yee

The Australian state of Victoria has recorded its 30th consecutive day without a new Covid-19 case, the state’s Department of Health and Human Services reported Sunday.

The department said in a statement that no new infections, fatalities or active cases were recorded Saturday in Victoria, the former epicenter of Australia's coronavirus epidemic.

The state's total caseload stands at 20,345, with 819 deaths.

Meanwhile, New South Wales -- the country's most populous state -- recorded its 22nd day with no local infections. However, the state did record four imported cases in the past 24 hours, bringing its total number of cases to 4,379.

The state's Covid-19 death toll remains at 55, with no new fatalities reported

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by Anonymousreply 103November 29, 2020 3:43 PM

[quote] everyone else is the infectious living dead.

I got better. I think I'll go for a walk.

by Anonymousreply 104November 29, 2020 3:45 PM

R96, disposable surgical masks are supposed to be the next best thing to N95s. Some people wear them with a cloth mask on top, or another surgical mask. Or wear a mask plus face shield, that protects your eyes from airborne virus.

It seems obvious that the more infected people out there, the more likely it is you’ll pick something up. Last summer, there was a month or two when I was shopping in a mask, and I wondered how likely it was that somebody in the store with me was infected. Not very, I thought. Now, it’s statistically very likely that I’m shopping with multiple carriers. I’m not planning to go out for the next couple months, a mask isn’t going to block everything if the stores are soaked in airborne virus. The risk has gone way up and your odds of escaping infection have gone way down.

by Anonymousreply 105November 29, 2020 3:49 PM

Birx was on Face The Nation wearing a mask.

If you looked closely, “Please don’t fire me, President Biden!” was printed on her scarf.

by Anonymousreply 106November 29, 2020 3:52 PM

Are you Australian R103?

by Anonymousreply 107November 29, 2020 3:57 PM

R106, yes I agree...people are asymptomatic. esp the young people.

by Anonymousreply 108November 29, 2020 4:28 PM

NYC Sheriff busts careless illegal Midtown club where 400 boozed up, partied without masks

A killer global pandemic didn’t stop their good time — but the sheriff did.

Nearly 400 people were found partying at an illegal Midtown bottle club that the Sheriff’s office busted up early Saturday morning.

It was the second bust of its kind that the sheriff’s reps conducted this week, having closed down a similar bottle club in Queens early Thursday morning where scores of people were gathered amid the COVID-19 pandemic.

The latest operation in Midtown, according to the Sheriff’s office, happened at about 2:45 a.m. on Nov. 28 inside a commercial building at 202 West 36th St. in the Garment District.

Deputy sheriffs arrived at the location and observed a crowd in excess of 393 individuals drinking and failing to socially distance. Many of them were not wearing masks.

The illegal bottle club also failed to have proper licenses to store, sell and serve booze, the Sheriff’s office reported.

After shutting the party down, the Sheriff’s office charged four bottle club employees — Vincent Cereghini, 27, of New Jersey; Ronald Helvy, 36, of Pennsylvania; Jahmier Lewis, 33, of New Jersey and James Jenkins, 35, of New York — on various charges for violating the mayor’s and governor’s emergency pandemic orders on crowd capacity, social distancing, serving alcohol and mask-wearing.

As for the Queens raid, the Sheriff’s office visited Koko Rico at 40-15 Junction Blvd. in Corona at 11:30 p.m. on Nov. 25 and conducted a two-hour stakeout of the club for a suspected mass gathering.

Corona is currently within the Queens “yellow zone,” which prohibits indoor dining and drinking, and the service of alcohol after 10 p.m. every night.

During that time, law enforcement agents spotted an apparently intoxicated man unconscious in a nearby alleyway and called for medical assistance.

Two hours after arrival, at 1:30 a.m. on Thursday morning, the Sheriff’s office went into Koko Rico and spotted more than 76 individuals drinking alcohol, smoking hookah pipes and dancing. None of the patrons were said to be wearing masks or socially distancing.

Three individuals who were said to have organized and worked at the gathering were subsequently arrested: Adham Mahmoud, 27, of Staten Island; Angel Carrion, 34, of Manhattan; and Michael Edgardo Melendez, 35, of Queens. They were variously charged with violations of the emergency executive orders related to the pandemic.

Koko Rico, meanwhile, was hit with a $15,000 fine for failure to protect public health and safety. The club does not have a valid liquor permit, the Sheriff’s office noted.

The closures come as COVID-19 cases grow across New York amid the pandemic’s second wave. Another 6,000 people were diagnosed with COVID-19 in the Empire State on Nov. 27; so far, more than 26,000 New Yorkers since March 1 have died of the illness.

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by Anonymousreply 109November 29, 2020 4:30 PM

"...a mask isn’t going to block everything if the stores are soaked in airborne virus."

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If the store requires masks, r105, it's not going to be "soaked in airborne virus". I don't know where you live, but all the stores around me require masks.

by Anonymousreply 110November 29, 2020 5:01 PM

R110, I live in Nevada, and you have to wear masks in stores. Nonetheless, I have seen idiots with their masks pulled under their nose, like everyone has everywhere else. And if they’re doing it in front of you, you know they’re doing it other places too. If there’s any virus to breathe, they’re breathing it, then going to the next store with their mask under their nose.

Last week, I went to Costco, and two different people were coughing through their fabric masks. One had a phlegmy cough and was plainly sick. Masks can’t solve everything. Sick people should not be in a crowded store.

by Anonymousreply 111November 29, 2020 8:15 PM

So what should you do if you cough? Cough through the mask or hurriedly pull it down to cough into your elbow?

by Anonymousreply 112November 29, 2020 10:33 PM

And stores shouldn't be crowded, r111...but here we are.

by Anonymousreply 113November 29, 2020 10:41 PM

Cough through your mask into the crook of your elbow. Then reassure everyone around you that you have postnatal drip from your allergies, if that is true.

There are so many covidiots with their noses hanging out above their masks. It’s easy to forget to put on a mask, but once it is on I don’t understand the inability to realize what it is and isn’t covering.

by Anonymousreply 114November 29, 2020 11:39 PM

I think a lot of the studies re. lack of effectiveness of masks are based on droplets propelled by sneezes and coughs, not from simply breathing. I never hear anyone coughing, sneezing and sputtering in their masks when out in public. And if I did, I would give them a wide berth.

From the very beginning of this pandemic I kept wondering why they were making such a big deal about covering your face when you cough or sneeze. WTF? Who 'doesn't' do that? Are people really such pigs that this is something they need to be told to do? I can't remember any time in my life when someone coughed or sneezed right in my face, except maybe my kids when they were toddlers.

by Anonymousreply 115November 29, 2020 11:57 PM

Here's a CNBC video that discusses the problems and considerations in the distribution of the vaccine in the United States. The Pfizer temperature requirements as a complicating factor is discussed as well as how it compares to the other vaccines.

They mention that one nurse can inoculate about 30 people per hour with the regular FLU vaccine. In contrast, that one trained person will be able to inoculate about 6 people per hour with the Covid-19 vaccine.

The discussion starts at time mark 1:45 in the video below.

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by Anonymousreply 116November 30, 2020 1:46 AM

R60 - Blatant misinformation/propaganda from CCP

by Anonymousreply 117November 30, 2020 4:30 AM

R117 LOL Not listening to China/WHO early on is how the US ended up in the current mess.

by Anonymousreply 118November 30, 2020 4:41 AM

R117, your tinfoil hat is on a little too tightly.

by Anonymousreply 119November 30, 2020 4:51 AM

R115 Yes, there are people who just cough without covering their mouths or turning away from other people present. As a salesman, I was working in an electronics store, explaining software options at a display rack. A man was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with me, a foot away, and suddenly coughed without covering or turning away. This was about 2 months before COVID hit. I was offended then, but would have been horrified now. I backed off from him, but got no apology. I’ve seen people doing same, but never as close. I lost the job back in March due to the virus. Every time I think about looking for a job, I remember that incident, and lose the thought.

by Anonymousreply 120November 30, 2020 7:11 PM

CNN's Shimon Prokupecz:

California Gov. Gavin Newsom says he is considering “drastic action,” including reinstating a stay at home order, as projections show the surge of Covid-19 cases will cause the state’s ICU capacity to be overrun by Christmas Eve.

by Anonymousreply 121November 30, 2020 9:00 PM

R115, you’re obviously not paying attention or you don’t live in a major city. I often would be near people on public transportation and stores who coughed/sneezed without use of their hands/elbows. And the ones coughing into their fist seemed to think they were doing it right.

by Anonymousreply 122November 30, 2020 9:05 PM

R121 Pennsylvania is in the same situation, but we're just going to shrug and twiddle our thumbs.

by Anonymousreply 123November 30, 2020 9:06 PM

[quote]Pennsylvania is in the same situation, but we're just going to shrug and twiddle our thumbs.

Because God forbid we'd actually look at the evidence that tighter restrictions work. France implemented a form of lockdown on October 30 ... and look what happened:

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by Anonymousreply 124November 30, 2020 9:18 PM

CNN: Leaked documents reveal China's mishandling of the early stages of Covid-19.

The documents provide no evidence of a deliberate attempt to obfuscate findings, but they do reveal numerous inconsistencies in what authorities believed to be happening and what was revealed to the public. Among the revelations:

• Chinese officials gave the world more optimistic data than they had access to internally, consistently underreporting cases and deaths.

• China's system took on average 23 days to diagnose confirmed patients, and testing failures meant most received negative results until January 10.

• A significant influenza outbreak -- up to 20x the levels of the previous year -- was occurring at the same time the novel coronavirus first emerged, stretching hospital resources and complicating the task of looking for new dangerous diseases.

by Anonymousreply 125November 30, 2020 10:33 PM

Moderna says that although trial data indicates the vaccine is 94% effective at preventing Covid-19, it was 100% effective at preventing severe illness from Covid.

God, we hope the optimism about these vaccines turns out to be warranted. It's like those hated pharmaceuticals companies will in this instance have finally saved the world, or at least a part of it.

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by Anonymousreply 126November 30, 2020 10:41 PM

Let's say that by some miracle these vaccines are distributed next year. Will we have a choice of which to get, or will it basically just be Pfizer since the US gov has been so involved with them?

Because I'd rather get the Moderna. Pfizer's difficult storage requirements make me worry that I'd get a "spoiled" batch.

by Anonymousreply 127November 30, 2020 10:46 PM

R125 More nonsense from CNN. There was no definitive tests for the novel virus before early Jan when it was identified by Chinese scientists. When there was a rush to save lives, tabulating the numbers was not the priority. There were two corrections to the Chinese numbers that I recall and they came pretty early on. But all that is irrelevant when the US and other western countries ignored all warnings from China or the WHO and are completely responsible fore their own mess. It is totally a racist tactic to blame China when they themselves did little to save their own people. Indeed, the real bungling is in the US where the mystery flu from mid 2019 is still a "mystery" to this day! And the US government is actively preventing any investigation into it and the media just ignore it because they prefer to mislead their audience as usual.

by Anonymousreply 128November 30, 2020 10:59 PM

From r126 - how the CEO of Moderna believes the various companies' vaccines should be allocated:

[quote] (Moderna CEO) Bancel imagines the Moderna vaccine, given its high efficacy against both mild and severe disease, will have the most impact if given to people at the greatest risk from SARS-CoV-2. “Give it to health care workers, give it to the elderly, give it to people with diabetes, overweight, heart disease,” he says. “A 25-year-old healthy man? Give him another vaccine.”

by Anonymousreply 129November 30, 2020 11:00 PM

That’s interesting R125. The genome sequence wasn’t released until January 10th so I don’t understand how anyone would have received a definitive diagnosis prior to that.

I actually think OWS/BARDA has been more involved with Moderna than Pfizer since Moderna accepted money for the trials Sylvia/R127.

My guess, and I don’t know, is that they’ll work together along with the federal government to distribute the vaccine according to who can accommodate the Pfizer vaccine vs. who can’t. The Moderna vaccine does have pretty strict storage needs though too and I suspect rural areas may be SOL for a while. My employer has bought a bunch of extra -80 freezers so I assume I’ll be getting the Pfizer vaccine eventually. If you are able to get your vaccine from a place that participated in the trial of that vaccine, I’d personally be reassured that they know how to store it correctly.

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by Anonymousreply 130November 30, 2020 11:44 PM

From what I remember, the Chinese cunts were diagnosing via chest/ lungs scans

by Anonymousreply 131December 1, 2020 5:09 AM

Don't forget about the young Doctor, Li Wenliang who was trying to warn his colleagues via whatsapp very early on in December or early Jan about the virus and got shut down by the government. He passed away in early Feb. Once the virus is contained, I hope we do a full on investigation into China. The crematoriums they had running around the clock. Everyone felt they were hiding their numbers from the get go.

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by Anonymousreply 132December 1, 2020 6:02 AM

R132 He was an eye doctor! Sorry, morons, an expert on virus he was not!

by Anonymousreply 133December 1, 2020 6:10 AM

R131 Like all the other "cunts" in Europe and the US who diagnosed mystery pneumonia cases, but they failed to find the cause since at least the middle of 2019. Only the Chinese bothered to identify the virus quickly and announced it to the world. Who failed again?

by Anonymousreply 134December 1, 2020 6:20 AM

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by Anonymousreply 135December 1, 2020 6:39 AM

R133 You are the moron.

Dr. Li was instrumental in calling the alarm at what was happening at his hospital's emergency room. He shared with members of his eye doctor chat group how his ER was being flooded with people who had something that was similar to SARS.

A nurse in Wuhan started posting videos on youtube. Then, citizen journalists started posting their videos at great risk.

China needs to release the citizen journalists they arrested - Fang Bin, Chen Quishi, Zang Zhan, and others.

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by Anonymousreply 136December 1, 2020 6:41 AM

R136 That's called gossiping not whistle-blowing. What others did with the information was not his intent. That's why he is commemorated as a "martyr" now. (Yes, he was a Communist Party member.) Given the disease was not fully understood yet and no one was sure how infectious it was, disseminating inaccurate information and rumors to cause public panic was not a good idea and against the law. It turned out to be a good call since more people leaving Wuhan left and right would have spread the virus further into the rest of the country. China's success in dealing with this virus was due to the orderly lockdown of Wuhan and the work of 40,000 medical workers from other provinces who came in to help. The western countries' failure was due precisely to people including their leaders sending out disinformation to the public. Think about that before lauding "citizen journalists" who are just social agitators like "anti-maskers" who know nothing about medicine or science and care nothing about people's health.

by Anonymousreply 137December 1, 2020 7:06 AM

Speaking of Asians with COVID.... what was the name of that youngish gaysian lawyer (who was also a legalese writer, I think) who got COVID early on, was on a respirator, nearly died, but thankfully made it out of the hospital? I know he was dealing with some very heavy issues post-release. I'd like to look him up and see if there are any updates with his health but I cannot for the life of me remember his name.

by Anonymousreply 138December 1, 2020 7:17 AM

David Lat

by Anonymousreply 139December 1, 2020 7:22 AM

Thank you!

by Anonymousreply 140December 1, 2020 7:26 AM

I spent the early part of the year freaked out about COVID and sealing myself away. Then August came and I had to go back to teaching.

If anybody was to get COVID, I certainly would have gotten it this fall. After I broke the isolation seal with teaching, I gradually went about a semi-normal life, and frequently jogged on a well trafficked trail without a mask.

However, I did not eat indoors at restaurants, I did not travel, I always kept distance, and always wore a mask while inside.

I had at least two students test positive for COVID. 1 of them the day after she had a 10 minute meeting in my office.

If you take common sense precautions, it is easy to avoid COVID. I don't believe that transmission is happening at retail establishments at all. It's in restaurants, bars, churches, and private togethers where people linger and tend not to wear masks.

Hermetically sealing yourself away is not the answer. You're not going to get COVID at Target or Costco.

by Anonymousreply 141December 1, 2020 7:30 AM

R141, I work in medical research and one can absolutely get COVID-19 from being inside retailers like COSTCO or Target. Your post is disinformation and should be removed.

by Anonymousreply 142December 1, 2020 8:04 AM

R141 It really depends on how virulent the strain in your community is. If there are just some new cases and the number isn't increasing every day, then your chances are low if you take precautions. The real danger comes when there's a virulent strain coupled with superspreader events.

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by Anonymousreply 143December 1, 2020 8:10 AM

R137 You're a major asshole. You are parroting the lies put out by the Chinese Communist Party Dr. Li was not "gossiping." He was exchanging information with medical colleagues. The CCP did NOT administer an orderly lockdown of Wuhan. No one in their right mind would say that their handling of the virus was "successful." China lied to WHO, lied about the origination of the virus, the real date when people first contracted it, and blocked experts from coming to Wuhan to find answers. Chinese tourists spread the virus all over the world.

Nurses and doctors speaking out about what they were experiencing wasn't some thirst for fame. They were trying to save lives and in many cases they lost their own lives.

I watched every video posted by Chen Quishi and his friends. Quishi shot video inside a hospital showing people dying on the floor in hallways, dead bodies slumped in chairs, body bags, and doctors passed out on the floor from exhaustion.

The major networks made their reporters stay inside their hotels. They didn't go out on the streets and in the hospitals to talk to people. It was Chen Quishi, Fang Bin and others like them. To denigrate their contribution, call them social agitators, and compare them to anti-vaxxers is disgusting.

You need to STFU and stop spouting the CCP bullshit here.

by Anonymousreply 144December 1, 2020 9:27 AM

R144 You must be a FLG moron. Take a reality pill. Hundreds of millions Chinese traveled for National Day in October, and there's still no big outbreak. If that's not a success story, what is? There are tons of vlogs on Youtube showing expats running around China free as a bird. Reality is not on your side. So maybe you should shut up with your lies.

by Anonymousreply 145December 1, 2020 9:33 AM

I have to go to the chiropractor tomorrow. My neck and shoulders are a mess. I've been in pain for over a week. But I am seriously thinking of calling and canceling because I'm so afraid to go to any doctor's office right now.

by Anonymousreply 146December 1, 2020 9:33 AM

R141 The Mayor of El Paso begs to differ.

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by Anonymousreply 147December 1, 2020 9:36 AM

R145 Ah, yes. You have confirmed that you are CCP .

by Anonymousreply 148December 1, 2020 9:46 AM

Here is China's "success" and "orderly lockdown of Wuhan."

Chen, Bin, and others were arrested and haven't been seen since. They aren't "free as a bird" and neither are the Uighars who are in concentration camps in China.

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by Anonymousreply 149December 1, 2020 9:50 AM

Wow, it’s like we are back to thread 1 with the return of the pro- and anti- CCP flame wars!

For old times sake here’s an article from The Lancet in January about radiological findings in the lungs for R131, although it isn’t the poor, and probably in their case heroic, doctors’ fault that they live in a country with a corrupt government.

And FWIW, my understanding is that most people with good jobs in mainland China need to members of the CCP to maintain their positions so not really indicative one way or the other.

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by Anonymousreply 150December 1, 2020 10:12 AM

r146, I have had an appt for close to a year to become a patient of a new (to me) PCP, the appt. is in a few days. I really want to cancel, but I won't be considered her patient unless I go to the appt. I'm going to double mask and wear a face shield.

by Anonymousreply 151December 1, 2020 11:12 AM

[quote]frequently jogged on a well trafficked trail without a mask.

As someone who walks/jogs wearing a mask every day, I despise you r141.

I go through puddles, across streets and around blocks to avoid your smug, self-centered brethren.

by Anonymousreply 152December 1, 2020 11:19 AM

A personal gift for r141.

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by Anonymousreply 153December 1, 2020 11:26 AM

Simulation showing what happens to Covid-19 droplets spewed by joggers who don't wear masks...

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by Anonymousreply 154December 1, 2020 12:01 PM

[quote]I go through puddles, across streets and around blocks to avoid your smug, self-centered brethren.

I hiked a wooded trail near me on Thanksgiving. I rarely encounter others on this trail, so I don't wear a mask but I bring one with me. At one point, I spotted a 50something couple approaching from the opposite direction, so I put on my mask and moved 15 feet off the trail, into the woods.

"We must look like we have COVID," the guy joked as he got closer.

"We don't have COVID, I promise," said the woman, laughing.

"But I don't know that I don't," I said in response.

"Oh, okay," she said, rolling her eyes.

I struggle with what is a safe distance/time to get back on a trail after someone has walked through ... is 60 seconds enough? 20 feet?

by Anonymousreply 155December 1, 2020 12:13 PM

^ Love how those two assholes thought it was so hilarious. Bet it won't seem so funny if they end up on ventilators.

by Anonymousreply 156December 1, 2020 12:33 PM

The CDC says COVID was spreading in US last December.

CDC scientists have found that the coronavirus was was already spreading in the U.S. before Christmas last year, suggesting that it was infecting people around the world well before it was officially identified in China.

The scientists based their study on blood samples collected by the American Red Cross between Dec. 13 and Jan. 17. They reportedly found evidence of COVID-19 infection, in the form of antibodies, in 106 of 7,389 blood donations.

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by Anonymousreply 157December 1, 2020 12:42 PM

Former FDA chief Scott Gottlieb: 30% of Americans will probably have been infected by year-end.

There are roughly 13.4 million confirmed coronavirus infections in America so far this year, but Gottlieb says, "We're probably, at best, diagnosing 1 in 5 cases right now," so the actual numbers are much higher.

“You combine a lot of infection around the country with vaccinating 20% of the population [and] you’re getting to levels where this virus is not going to circulate as readily, once you get to those levels of prior immunity,” Gottlieb said.

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by Anonymousreply 158December 1, 2020 12:56 PM

On this news in L.A. this morning: Stupid people county hopping to dine outdoors. Also: 2 nurses from Cedars-Sinai voicing their concerns about the possible long term effects of a rushed vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 159December 1, 2020 12:57 PM

Them commies no longer hide their intention anymore. Hope Biden ( or Kamala ) have enough backbone to counter this shit.

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by Anonymousreply 160December 1, 2020 2:29 PM

There's a federal advisory group that meets and will vote on a vaccine distribution plan

[quote] Recommendations from the advisory group are sent to Redfield, who also informs Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar. If the recommendations are approved, they will become official CDC recommendations on immunization in the United States.

Here's the plan they have generally supported, although they have not voted on it yet.

[quote] Phase 1a- Health care workers and residents of long-term facilities. 24 million in total. (Residents and employees at long-term facilities accounted for 6 percent of cases and 39 percent of deaths in the US.)

[quote] Phase 1b- Essential workers (meatpacking plant employees, police, firefighters, teachers, transportation industry, & some others. 87 million in total.

[quote] Phase 1c- People over 65 and people with underlying medical conditions. There are about 53 million over age 65 + 100 million with underlying conditions.

Will states follow the guidelines?

[quote] Many state officials have said they plan to follow the federal recommendations. They may be adapted differently by various states, but they have the benefit of emerging from a “well-developed process that states will not need to re-create wholesale,” Kimberlin said.

[quote] “It gives states confidence to say the CDC is in charge, that public health people are making decisions,” said Kimberlin, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham. “I think science reasserted itself this fall, shaking off the political cloud that had begun to gather over everyone’s heads.”

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by Anonymousreply 161December 1, 2020 3:00 PM

I’m scheduled for surgery at the end of December. I’ve waited over a year, and if I don’t take the scheduled slot, I’ll be lucky if I get rescheduled for several months. At least.

At this point, I’m really thinking about just canceling for now, although I need the surgery. The surgeon is really unfriendly and his staff are assholes. There’s nobody there I can express my concerns with. If you question them in any way, they get very offended. It’s being done at a surgery center, which they insist means there is little or no risk. By that time, the whole country is going to be in the absolute worst possible spread. My instinct says, stay the fuck away from there, but I do need the surgery. I could put it off a few months, although it would cause a lot of logistical problems.

Anybody with medical experience that can give their opinion of what they would do?

by Anonymousreply 162December 1, 2020 3:06 PM

What kind of surgery R162?

by Anonymousreply 163December 1, 2020 3:10 PM

I suspect there will be a lot of elective surgeries canceled in December, January and February, R162, as the already overtaxed medical system faces a doubling in COVID hospitalizations. The choice may be made for you.

by Anonymousreply 164December 1, 2020 3:12 PM

R163, It’s tear duct surgery. They drill out your nostril and put in a drain for three months. What concerns me is that it’s outpatient, and the only time they would give me is Christmas Eve. Which means I can’t get a ride home, so I have to take medical transport, I couldn’t get somebody to watch my cat, so I’d have to hire someone (assuming they’d even do it over a holiday), and then I have to be exposed to that person during the worst part of the pandemic.

Then I have to go through the hospital with a raw just drilled out wound in my nose. One nurse told me I can’t wear a mask afterwards, the other one says I could. I have no idea. The one that says I can wear a mask said to wear a face shield without a mask. In a medical transport vehicle for a good forty minutes, with God knows who. And post op in the hospital. At some point I would have to go to the pharmacy to get painkillers. Also bad.

Everything about this just screams high risk. And I know if I cancel the surgeon and his pissy staff will have a fit.

R164, I was hoping that would happen and I wouldn’t be at fault. But I’m getting the impression the staff are deluding themselves about the risk. They keep portraying the surgical center being some Covid proof bubble. And there’s no inpatient beds there. One guy is an ENT, I would think they might have some Covid related work but maybe not. He specializes in sinus issues. The other is a plastic surgeon so maybe he just wants the money. The last time I talked to him he got very huffy, like, how dare you question me when I tell you it’s safe.

by Anonymousreply 165December 1, 2020 3:21 PM

I would say if you don't feel comfortable with it, R164, you shouldn't go ahead with it -- especially if you can put up with not having it for another three months or so. It sounds like a lot of red flags to me.

I can tell you that my state lists 65 ongoing outbreaks (two or more people diagnosed with COVID) in healthcare -- e.g., inpatient, outpatient, dental practices, dialysis, etc. That's fourth on the list of transmission sites after long-term care facilities, K-12 schools and manufacturing/construction.

by Anonymousreply 166December 1, 2020 3:28 PM

R166, is there any way to look that up for my state (Nevada)? Where would I look?

by Anonymousreply 167December 1, 2020 3:30 PM

I couldn't find anything on a search, R167, so Nevada may not be tracking (or at least publishing) that information. You may want to contact your local health dept. to see if they can provide any insight.

by Anonymousreply 168December 1, 2020 3:43 PM

Thanks, R168.

by Anonymousreply 169December 1, 2020 3:53 PM

I am wondering what the CDC is going to say about vaccinating the already infected. The numbers might change dramatically if antibodies are screened for and disqualifying in the initial roll-out.

by Anonymousreply 170December 1, 2020 5:59 PM

I recall hearing one TV doctor say that since they don’t know how long immune response lasts, the suggestion is that everyone get the vaccine, regardless of prior exposure.

by Anonymousreply 171December 1, 2020 6:13 PM

Bloomberg's Steven Dennis:

NORTH DAKOTA hits COVID milestone:

1 out of every 800 residents dead

by Anonymousreply 172December 1, 2020 6:48 PM

Wow, R172. And we’re not even at the worst of it. Wait until the Thanksgiving travelers hit.

by Anonymousreply 173December 1, 2020 7:07 PM

Totally agreed on that eventually R171, but I wonder if a 1b should go first before a 1a with antibodies.

by Anonymousreply 174December 1, 2020 7:08 PM

I'm sorry but I don't trust the CDC. Have you all forgotten that they couldn't even make the fucking tests and precious time was wasted in the beginning. they are just fucking inept. Unless they have new people there, then I might change my mind but they are fucking useless.

by Anonymousreply 175December 2, 2020 3:47 AM

I ran into an old friend recently he was with a nurse who said the virus was here in Nov last year...who knows?

by Anonymousreply 176December 2, 2020 3:49 AM

R149 lol You people live in echo chambers repeating the same shit over and over. But reality is for all to see. People can go to Youtube and see what is going on in China. No one need your little manufactured stories. I mean, you literally have people go steal clips form Chinese social media and make up stories about "Uighur concentration camps". It's laughable. It's just like the unscrupulous media stealing the video of the Chinese travel vloggers sampling bat soup in Palau and using it out of context and without permission to malign her and all Chinese. The poor woman even posted an apology on Weibo saying she was sorry her clip was used to cause trouble. This is the shit they do. If you believe them, you are as moronic as they are.

by Anonymousreply 177December 2, 2020 4:41 AM

I'm overdue for a dentist visit -- both a regular cleaning, but also to check on an implant post (molar). The post was implanted in late Feb, before Covid blew up. Typically needs about six months for bone to heal around the post, before they put the fake tooth on it. My dentist office keeps calling to make an appointment, but I refuse to go. I already have a lot of anxiety in the dentist's chair (which they know). They're fucking insane if they think I'm going to lie down in a dentist's chair with my mouth gaping open for a half hour. I don't care what the dentist/hygienists are wearing.

by Anonymousreply 178December 2, 2020 10:07 AM

NBC: The United Kingdom granted emergency approval of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine overnight, and vaccinations there are set to begin next week.

by Anonymousreply 179December 2, 2020 11:28 AM

R179 Well, lets hope it all goes well.

I wonder how long immunity will last after vaccination. Only time will tell I guess.

by Anonymousreply 180December 2, 2020 11:50 AM

Right now, putting off elective surgery is generally a good idea. But untreated dental damage can be dangerous too.

Basically R178, the shrink wrapped dentist and staff likely are more at risk from [bold] you [/bold] and other patients than vice-versa. (Their germs are mostly trapped behind PPE, yours aren’t.)

In fact your biggest risk probably is virus floating in the offices from other unmasked patients.

So, get up at five in the morning and arrange to be the [italic] very first [/italic] patient your dentist sees, even if it’s 7am, before many others have a chance to “pollute” the air.

Good luck

by Anonymousreply 181December 2, 2020 12:41 PM

Participant in India’s AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine trial sues after experiencing ‘severe adverse effect’

An Indian man who helped test a coronavirus jab based on AstraZeneca’s candidate vaccine has filed suit, claiming that he suffered extreme side effects during his participation in the trial.

The plaintiff, identified in media reports as a 40-year-old man from Chennai, is suing the Pune-based Serum Institute of India (SII) for Rs 5 crore ($676,000 USD). The individual alleges that he suffered serious neurological damage after taking part in the phase three trial of Covishield, the SII’s version of the Covid-19 jab being developed by AstraZeneca and the University of Oxford. The man was purportedly told that the vaccine was safe and chose to participate in the program in “the spirit of public service.”

The lawsuit also demands that SII, AstraZeneca and the Oxford Vaccine Group immediately halt vaccine trials, in which some 1,600 volunteers are currently enrolled.

Ten days after receiving the shot, the man complained of a pounding headache and experienced vomiting, his wife told local media. He was bedridden and acting abnormally before being transferred to the emergency ward of the Sri Ramachandra Medical College and Hospital. A review by the hospital concluded that the medical problems were not linked to the vaccine, and a medical official cited by Indian media claimed that the patient was “now alright” and had not incurred any expenses stemming from the health episode.

The man’s discharge summary said he requested to leave the hospital and was recovering from “acute encephalopathy”. He also suffered from deficiencies of Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D, and was suspected of having a “connective tissue disorder.”

However, the man’s wife insists that he has not fully recovered and is unable to work as before.

In September, SII briefly paused its clinical trials of Covishield after a recipient of the AstraZeneca jab showed adverse symptoms.

India has faced criticism for not being more transparent about its Covid-19 vaccine trials. According to Science Magazine, SII is not using the same phase three testing protocol implemented by AstraZeneca, and has also declined to make its guidelines public.

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by Anonymousreply 182December 2, 2020 1:51 PM

r178, my dentist only takes one patient at a time (he always has though). It's just him and his wife. Maybe you can ask your dentist if you could be the only patient there. I had to get a long overdue crown, and when the pain was too frequent, got it about a month ago. Been getting 3x week for work, still negative. He goes as far as making his patients swill around a certain mouthwash that kills bacteria/viruses before working on them.

by Anonymousreply 183December 2, 2020 2:40 PM

I was supposed to go to my chiropractor yesterday, had prepped for the appointment will all my protection, and then got a call about four hours prior from his office saying he had to reschedule. I told them I'd call back, but I'm not going to. I do hope he's not sick, though. I adore him and he's a great chiro.

by Anonymousreply 184December 2, 2020 4:56 PM

CDC DIRECTOR REDFIELD: TODAY: "December, January and February are going to be rough times. I actually believe they're going to be the most difficult in the public health history of this nation."

by Anonymousreply 185December 2, 2020 5:18 PM

Swell. That’s just swell.

by Anonymousreply 186December 2, 2020 6:15 PM

I have to go out today. Pray for me, everyone!

by Anonymousreply 187December 2, 2020 6:28 PM

On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).

Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.

On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.

Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:

The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus. The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women. The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination. The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.

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by Anonymousreply 188December 2, 2020 8:14 PM

On December 1, 2020, the ex-Pfizer head of respiratory research Dr. Michael Yeadon and the lung specialist and former head of the public health department Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg filed an application with the EMA, the European Medicine Agency responsible for EU-wide drug approval, for the immediate suspension of all SARS CoV 2 vaccine studies, in particular the BioNtech/Pfizer study on BNT162b (EudraCT number 2020-002641-42).

Dr. Wodarg and Dr. Yeadon demand that the studies – for the protection of the life and health of the volunteers – should not be continued until a study design is available that is suitable to address the significant safety concerns expressed by an increasing number of renowned scientists against the vaccine and the study design.

On the one hand, the petitioners demand that, due to the known lack of accuracy of the PCR test in a serious study, a so-called Sanger sequencing must be used. This is the only way to make reliable statements on the effectiveness of a vaccine against Covid-19. On the basis of the many different PCR tests of highly varying quality, neither the risk of disease nor a possible vaccine benefit can be determined with the necessary certainty, which is why testing the vaccine on humans is unethical per se.

Furthermore, they demand that it must be excluded, e.g. by means of animal experiments, that risks already known from previous studies, which partly originate from the nature of the corona viruses, can be realized. The concerns are directed in particular to the following points:

The formation of so-called “non-neutralizing antibodies” can lead to an exaggerated immune reaction, especially when the test person is confronted with the real, “wild” virus after vaccination. This so-called antibody-dependent amplification, ADE, has long been known from experiments with corona vaccines in cats, for example. In the course of these studies all cats that initially tolerated the vaccination well died after catching the wild virus. The vaccinations are expected to produce antibodies against spike proteins of SARS-CoV-2. However, spike proteins also contain syncytin-homologous proteins, which are essential for the formation of the placenta in mammals such as humans. It must be absolutely ruled out that a vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 could trigger an immune reaction against syncytin-1, as otherwise infertility of indefinite duration could result in vaccinated women. The mRNA vaccines from BioNTech/Pfizer contain polyethylene glycol (PEG). 70% of people develop antibodies against this substance – this means that many people can develop allergic, potentially fatal reactions to the vaccination. The much too short duration of the study does not allow a realistic estimation of the late effects. As in the narcolepsy cases after the swine flu vaccination, millions of healthy people would be exposed to an unacceptable risk if an emergency approval were to be granted and the possibility of observing the late effects of the vaccination were to follow. Nevertheless, BioNTech/Pfizer apparently submitted an application for emergency approval on December 1, 2020.

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by Anonymousreply 189December 2, 2020 8:14 PM

Wow R189, what a totally legitimate source of "2020 News" 🙄

by Anonymousreply 190December 2, 2020 8:21 PM

I’m in a very rural area of a Midwestern state. The largest mortuary in the area now has a refrigeration trailer for backup. I personally know 8 people who have died from Covid complications. It’s grim and there are SO many people who strait up don’t give a shit what’s happening.

by Anonymousreply 191December 3, 2020 5:14 AM

Former US presidents volunteer to take coronavirus vaccine publicly to prove it's safe

From CNN’s Jamie Gangel

Three former United States presidents -- Barack Obama, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton -- are volunteering to receive their Covid-19 vaccines on camera in order to promote public confidence in the medication's safety.

The three former presidents hope an awareness campaign to promote confidence in the vaccine's safety and effectiveness would be a powerful message as American public health officials try to convince the public to get vaccinated once the US Food and Drug Administration authorizes one.

Freddy Ford, Bush's chief of staff, told CNN that the 43rd president had reached out to Dr. Anthony Fauci -- the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases -- and Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, to see how he could help promote the vaccine.

"A few weeks ago President Bush asked me to let Dr. Fauci and Dr. Birx know that, when the time is right, he wants to do what he can to help encourage his fellow citizens to get vaccinated," Ford told CNN. "First, the vaccines need to be deemed safe and administered to the priority populations. Then, President Bush will get in line for his, and will gladly do so on camera."

Clinton's press secretary told CNN on Wednesday that he too would be willing to take the vaccine in a public setting in order to promote it.

"President Clinton will definitely take a vaccine as soon as available to him, based on the priorities determined by public health officials. And he will do it in a public setting if it will help urge all Americans to do the same," Angel Urena said.

It has been previously reported that Obama said in an interview with SiriusXM host Joe Madison, scheduled to air Thursday, that if Fauci said a coronavirus vaccine is safe, he believes him.

by Anonymousreply 192December 3, 2020 10:11 AM

LA is on track to run out of hospital beds by Christmas. The mayor has urged residents to "cancel everything"

From CNN's Sarah Moon

Los Angeles will run out of hospital beds by Christmas if the coronavirus continues to spread at its current, unprecedented rate, Mayor Eric Garcetti warned in a news conference Wednesday, calling on residents to “hunker down” and “cancel everything” to help stop the spread of the virus. "“The public health condition of our city is as dire as it was in March in the earliest days of this pandemic,” he said."

The number of daily coronavirus infections in Los Angeles have tripled since early November. Hospitalizations have more than tripled as well and are at a new peak, according to Garcetti.

On Tuesday, the county reported its highest number of new coronavirus cases and hospitalizations since the start of the pandemic. The average daily cases have increased by 225% since early November, according to the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health.

Garcetti urged residents to stay home as much as possible as the “choices between us are stark, between health and sickness, care and apathy, life and death.”

“It’s time to hunker down. It’s time to cancel everything. If it isn’t essential, don’t do it,” Garcetti said. “Don’t meet up with others outside your household, don’t host that gathering, don’t attend a gathering.”

To date, Los Angeles County has confirmed a total of 414,185 coronavirus cases and 7,740 deaths.

by Anonymousreply 193December 3, 2020 10:12 AM

NYT: At least 2,760 coronavirus deaths were identified in the United States yesterday. That's the highest daily death toll of the entire pandemic.

Current hospitalizations also surpassed 100,000 for the first time.

by Anonymousreply 194December 3, 2020 11:21 AM

On my tri-weekly walk to get my Covid test (I work in the film industry), i used to see about 90% mask compliance here in West Hollywood. The last 2 times this week (Mon & Wed), I've seen it fall to about 65%, with non-mask wearers clutching coffee cups and walking around, as well as the homeless people that are seeping in from the Hollywood area.

In other news, there was feature on a Williamsburg NYC restaurant, Le Crocodile, that teamed up with the hotel that they're situated in- for $100/person, you can have your dinner with your pod in your very own hotel room, which is sort of genius- helps both the restaurant and the hotel.

by Anonymousreply 195December 3, 2020 11:33 AM

Ah shit, I screwed that up. Here's the link:

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by Anonymousreply 196December 3, 2020 11:33 AM

Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti is again asking Angelenos to cancel all non-essential activities and "hunker down" as the city experiences a dangerous surge in COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations.

While the new restrictions and allowable activities mirror those issued by Los Angeles County last week, the language and messaging is far stronger than before. "Subject only to the exceptions outlined in this Order, all persons living within the City of Los Angeles are hereby ordered to remain in their homes," the mayor's order states.

That is not an absolute lockdown, however, as the order spells out a variety of exceptions. The main activity that the mayor and county health officials have been targeting to reduce or eliminate is gatherings that involve different households meeting in close proximity.

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by Anonymousreply 197December 3, 2020 11:39 AM

The United States reported a record 2,800 Covid deaths yesterday, the highest single-day death toll ever reported, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

The country also reported more than 200,000 cases of the virus on Wednesday, the second highest daily number of cases.

And more than 100,200 people are currently so sickened by the virus that they require medical attention in hospitals.

by Anonymousreply 198December 3, 2020 3:01 PM

A half million deaths are expected by February.

by Anonymousreply 199December 3, 2020 3:33 PM

Korean study demonstrates airflow transmission of the virus over distance of 20 ft. after just 5 minutes of exposure. CCTV footage shows the source patient had no direct contact with infectee 1 (seated 20 ft. away) or infectee 2 (14 feet away). This was in a restaurant that lacked windows and a ventilation system. No masks.

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by Anonymousreply 200December 3, 2020 3:57 PM

One week after Thanksgiving and my state has just hit an all-time high for new cases in a day.

by Anonymousreply 201December 3, 2020 4:27 PM

The vaccine may make some people just sick enough to not return for the second shot.

by Anonymousreply 202December 3, 2020 4:45 PM

"I’m 33 Years Old. I Got COVID-19 Eight Months Ago. I’m Still Sick."

I wake up most days feeling like I drank a six-pack of beer the night before. Washing the dishes, doing my laundry, or walking a few blocks leaves me in need of a sit-down. It’s a sort of gritty feeling in my body, a woolly feeling in my brain. My breathing is up and down; when I'm tired, I forget words midsentence. I need at least 10 hours of sleep most nights. And if I push too hard, it’s not just laborious — it’s actually painful, from my lungs to my head to the stinging in my eyes.

“Hopefully it will improve soon,” one doctor told me a few months ago. That was the extent of her advice.

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by Anonymousreply 203December 3, 2020 5:07 PM

Unfortunately, Trump's "herd immunity" non-strategy is now in effect, despite local efforts to use sensible public health measures to control it. The current list of states with the highest total recorded Covid infections lines up uncomfortably well with the ones with the highest total populations. Right now Texas has the most infections. It's still far below New York State in total deaths, but we'll see how that stands by New Years.

by Anonymousreply 204December 3, 2020 6:24 PM

New York Times tool tells you where you are in the vaccine line based on health, age, and where you live.

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by Anonymousreply 205December 3, 2020 6:47 PM

Very interesting, R205. I'm behind 268 million Americans, according to that.

by Anonymousreply 206December 3, 2020 7:13 PM

R206 I'm standing next to you in line. Don't worry, I'm wearing a K94 mask.

by Anonymousreply 207December 3, 2020 7:19 PM

Allegheny County had over 1,000 cases for the first time ever today, and our per-capita testing rate remains among the worst in the US. But #HereWeGoSteelers is trending on local Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 208December 3, 2020 7:28 PM

CNN just had an announcement from the American Ambulance Association. They said 911 is very close to being maxed out. That means if your family member is dying in front of you, and you call 911, nobody is going to come. You will wait. There may not be an available ambulance. That’s not just for Covid patients, that’s everyone. Watch deaths skyrocket.

They had Dr Lena Wen on afterwards, saying that you should not go anywhere you don’t absolutely have to go, and not for Christmas.

“The 911 emergency medical system throughout the United States is at a breaking point," Aarron Reinert, the president of the American Ambulance Association, said in a recent letter to the Department of Health and Human Services. "Without additional relief, it seems likely to break, even as we enter the third surge of the virus in the Mid-West and West."

“CNN obtained a copy of the letter, which was dated November 25.” They’re asking for $2.6 billion from HHS to keep up.

The article is at the CNN website, titled, “ 911 emergency medical system in US 'at a breaking point,' ambulance group says.” Sorry I can’t link it.

Take your vitamins.

by Anonymousreply 209December 3, 2020 7:33 PM

Yeah, it's not just needless COVID deaths we'll be experiencing in the next 2-3 months, it's deaths from other causes that wouldn't have occurred in the absence of COVID.

But mah Free-dumb!

by Anonymousreply 210December 3, 2020 7:37 PM

Well, I guess I won't be going to the chiropractor tomorrow. Ugh.

I'm pretty far up on that line in the NYT, after about 3.5m people. I'm middle aged, overweight (although I've been busting ass to lose as much weight as possible before the vaccine is available, 34 lbs down) and my immune system is fucked up because of my recent cancer treatment.

by Anonymousreply 211December 3, 2020 7:41 PM

CNN also just announced they’ve issued a stay at home order in California starting today, for the Bay Area, San Joaquin Valley, some other areas, and “Southern California.”

Starting right now. The ICUs are full.

by Anonymousreply 212December 3, 2020 7:48 PM

WSJ reporting that Pfizer now expects it can only ship *half* of the Covid-19 vaccines it had planned this year because of supply chain problems. Says it can still hit a billion doses in 2021.

by Anonymousreply 213December 3, 2020 7:49 PM

102-year-old with ‘iron will to live’ survives COVID — twice

A 102-year-old New York woman who lived through the 1918 Spanish Flu and overcame cancer survived not only one — but two bouts with the coronavirus.

Angelina Friedman — a Westchester County nursing home resident with “an iron will to live” — battled COVID-19 back in March, as well as in October, her daughter told WPIX-TV.

“She’s not the oldest to survive COVID, but she may be the oldest to survive it twice,” Joanne Merola told the outlet.

The centenarian was born Angelina Sciales on Oct. 18, 1918, on a ship taking immigrants from Italy to the Big Apple in the midst of the influenza, Merola said.

Friedman’s mother died in childbirth on the ship, and she was raised with the help of her two sisters.

Her father later joined Friedman and her 10 siblings in America and the family settled in Brooklyn.

“She was one of 11 children,” Merola said. “She’s the last one surviving.”

She later married a man named Harold Friedman, and the couple both battled cancer later in life — though Angelina was the only one who survived the disease.

She’s now a resident of North Westchester Restorative Therapy and Nursing Center in Mohegan Lake, and has lost most of her hearing and vision, though not her energy, Merola said.

Friedman first tested positive for COVID-19 in March, when she was still 101-years-old.

She spent a week in the hospital before being sent back to her room at the nursing home, where she quarantined.

After running a fever on and off for several weeks, Friedman tested negative for the virus on April 20, and her daughter told PIX11 at the time that “My mother is a survivor.”

“She survived miscarriages, internal bleeding and cancer.”

Six months later, Merola heard her mom had been diagnosed with COVID-19 again and was experiencing symptoms such as fever and a dry cough.

Friedman went back into isolation until Nov. 17, when she tested negative, her daughter said.

“Not only has she beaten COVID at 101, she’s beaten it at 102,” Merola said.

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by Anonymousreply 214December 3, 2020 7:51 PM

‘Dune,’ ‘In the Heights,’ ‘The Matrix 4’ and other 2021 films to stream on HBO Max

Forget seeing movies in theaters next year.

Warner Bros. announced Thursday that it will concurrently stream its full slate of 2021 films on HBO Max for one month after they premiere in theaters. The list of films set to drop includes expected blockbusters like Lin-Manuel Miranda’s “In the Heights,” the “Dune” reboot featuring Timothée Chalamet and “The Matrix 4,” the latest installment of the Keanu Reeves sci-fi franchise.

The decision was made to combat losses due to theater shutdowns in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. Ann Sarnoff, chairperson and CEO of WarnerMedia Studios and Networks Group, said that “unprecedented times” called for a “creative solution” heading into the new year.

The company just last month announced that it would debut Gal Gadot’s “Wonder Woman” on Christmas Day following a Dec. 16 theatrical premiere.

The Warner Bros. slate of films currently includes these 17 titles:

“The Little Things”

“Judas and the Black Messiah”

“Tom & Jerry”

“Godzilla vs. Kong”

“Mortal Kombat”

“Those Who Wish Me Dead”

“The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It”

“In The Heights”

“Space Jam: A New Legacy”

“The Suicide Squad”

“Reminiscence”

“Malignant”

“Dune”

“The Many Saints of Newark”

“King Richard”

“Cry Macho”

“The Matrix 4”

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by Anonymousreply 215December 3, 2020 7:53 PM

Realistically, everybody isn’t going to get vaccinated until sometime in 2022. They’re prioritizing people that really need it, and that’s all that’s going to get it at least until the end of 2021. Vaccinating medical personnel and nursing home residents are a priority.

I found a link to the NYT that shows, by state, where there are hotspots. It breaks it down to hospitals, nursing homes and other businesses by name. Almost all of them are hospitals and nursing homes in my state. A few schools I think. So that’s where the doses are going.

by Anonymousreply 216December 3, 2020 7:55 PM

Here’s the link, it opens up to more detail.

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by Anonymousreply 217December 3, 2020 7:56 PM

A mRNA vaccine is all well and good but when can we expect a vaccine for that awful MDNA plague?

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by Anonymousreply 218December 3, 2020 7:57 PM

Dr. Bob Wachter, chair of the Department of Medicine at UCSF, estimates a vaccination timeline:

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by Anonymousreply 219December 3, 2020 8:00 PM

Dr. Bob Wachter, chair of the Department of Medicine at UCSF, estimates a vaccination timeline:

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by Anonymousreply 220December 3, 2020 8:00 PM

Lon Adams, man behind Slim Jim beef jerky recipe, dead from COVID-19

Lon Adams, who developed the recipe for Slim Jim beef jerky sticks, has died at age 95 from the coronavirus, according to a report.

“Conagra Brands was saddened to learn of the passing of Lon Adams, and we extend our condolences to his family and loved ones,” the company, which manufactures the jerky, told CNN in a statement.

“We are grateful for the contributions that Lon made to Slim Jim,” it added.

Though Adolph Levis invented Slim Jim in 1928, Adams — whose full name was Alonzo T. Adams II — is credited with developing the more current formula, a Conagra rep told the network.

Adams got into the food science business after serving in World War II in the 82nd Airborne Division, CNN reported, citing his obituary.

After he was injured in the Battle of the Bulge in 1945, he returned to the US and graduated from St. Ambrose College, then earned a master’s degree in microbiology from Iowa State University.

He retired as a principal scientist after working for Goodmark Foods for many years.

Andrew Adams told the News & Observer of Raleigh that his grandfather contracted COVID-19 at an assisted-living facility in Raleigh that had experienced an outbreak of cases.

The grandson noted that he had great memories of what Adams had accomplished.

“It’s actually crazy — every gas station in the country, I walk in and see something that my grandpa formulated,” Andrew Adams said.

With Post wires

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by Anonymousreply 221December 3, 2020 8:12 PM

You'd think the deplorables would care about that one.

by Anonymousreply 222December 3, 2020 8:23 PM

We're starting to ramp back up. Our war room, which they shut down at the end of May, is back in operation. I think we only have about two dozen cases right now, but that happened over the course of only a few days.

We are so fucked.

by Anonymousreply 223December 3, 2020 8:25 PM

[quote] Dr. Bob Wachter, chair of the Department of Medicine at UCSF, estimates a vaccination timeline:

What if only 50% or 60% of everyone in the initial groups want the vaccine now, and the rest who qualify hang back to later in the year to see how safe the vaccine is when given to millions instead of 10s of thousands? Maybe more people who actually want it now will get it a bit sooner.

by Anonymousreply 224December 3, 2020 8:58 PM

How are you feeling VOTN?

by Anonymousreply 225December 3, 2020 9:18 PM

Fine. I tested negative twice a week ago, so I've been back at work. Sense of taste is still off, but honestly, considering how bad it could have been, that's a VERY small tradeoff.

by Anonymousreply 226December 3, 2020 9:28 PM

And statewide, we're edging up toward a 5% positivity rate.

Enjoy the indoor dining!

by Anonymousreply 227December 3, 2020 9:41 PM

Do these threads still have the "It's JUST THE FLU!" and "Morbid Death-mongers!" and "The ECONOMY!!! THE ECONOMY!!!" trolls that were all over them last Summer when I finally quit following because of them?

by Anonymousreply 228December 3, 2020 10:11 PM

I had a dentist appointment recently, that was rescheduled from May, for a filling that if I waited too much longer would have needed a crown. The office had a lot of extra safety precautions in place, so I felt safe (and 2 weeks have gone by since, and all is well.)

Over Thanksgiving, I spent a lot of time outside at a neighborhood park. Usually, I'd say that mask wearing would be about 50-60% at the areas that a lot of people hang out, but on that day I'd say that mask-wearing was at least 90%. Maybe the message is finally getting through.

by Anonymousreply 229December 4, 2020 12:51 AM

Bill gates said he would take the vaccine

by Anonymousreply 230December 4, 2020 4:14 AM

Pfizer says it still doesn't know if someone can transmit Covid-19 after receiving vaccine

From CNN’s Shelby Lin Erdman

It’s still unclear whether a person who receives Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine can still transmit the virus, company CEO Albert Bourla said Thursday.

“I think this is something that needs to be examined,” Bourla said in an interview with NBC News scheduled to air Thursday night. “We are not certain about that right now with what we know.”

Bourla also told host Lester Holt he believes vaccine trial participants who received a placebo rather that the actual shot should get the vaccine.

“It is a moral and ethical dilemma and obligation,” Bourla said. “I believe that in discussion with regulators, we should find a way, so sooner rather than later, give to all the placebo participants the vaccine.”

If that happens, it would mean unblinding the vaccine trial – something that could impact the longer term results, health experts have said.

Pfizer has asked the US Food and Drug Administration for emergency use authorization for its vaccine. The FDA’s advisers meet Dec. 10 to discuss the application.

But Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and a member of the FDA’s vaccine advisory committee, told Holt there are still a lot of unanswered questions.

“We sort of have a million questions to make sure that we understand exactly what the safety issues are and exactly what the efficacy issues are,” Offit said. “Is it effective in people over 65? Is it equally effective among racial groups, ethnic groups? Is it effective in people who have various medical conditions?”

But there’s one question that he does have an answer for, Offit said.

“The standard we're going to hold this too is, would I give this vaccine to myself or my own family? And if the answer to that question is, ‘I'm not sure,’ then we're not going to move forward.”

by Anonymousreply 231December 4, 2020 4:35 AM

How on earth does anyone continue to support Trump?

The man is literally killing people around him. Do you actually think he cares about the population of the United States?

Did he invite you to the Unmasked Christmas Ball at the White House?

by Anonymousreply 232December 4, 2020 6:05 AM

Yesterday's COVID19 numbers, per Laurie Garrett.

New cases per million population -- USA =#1:

US 604

Sweden 535

Brazil 235

Russia 172

Canada 171

World 83

South Africa 70

New Zealand 2

by Anonymousreply 233December 4, 2020 12:30 PM

THE HILL: The White House coronavirus task force sent a report, dated Sunday, to states sounding the alarm on several fronts, including that “a further post-Thanksgiving surge will compromise COVID patient care, as well as medical care overall” as hospitals are overwhelmed.

It also said state responses “remain inadequate” in “many areas” and called for measures like limiting or closing indoor dining, which many states have not done.

The report further warned that people over 65 and those with significant health conditions should avoid any indoor spaces where someone is not wearing a mask, and that they should get groceries and medications delivered instead of venturing out.

People under 40 who gathered for Thanksgiving should isolate from anyone at high risk and get tested immediately, the task force report added.

by Anonymousreply 234December 4, 2020 1:12 PM

Cars lined up at Dodger Stadium for Covid-19 testing in downtown Los Angeles on December 2. Mario Tama/Getty Images

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by Anonymousreply 235December 4, 2020 1:31 PM

Shocker:

“Individuals higher in psychological entitlement, or “entitled people,” were less likely to report they were following or would follow the health guidelines of the COVID-19 pandemic & more likely to report contracting COVID.”

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by Anonymousreply 236December 4, 2020 5:56 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 237December 4, 2020 6:38 PM

World Health Organization officials on Friday warned that recent data suggest that, though it is rare, people who were once infected with the coronavirus could be infected again.

The WHO’s Dr. Mike Ryan said that emerging data suggests “protection may not be lifelong” after someone’s infected with Covid-19.

Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said ongoing research indicates an immune response may last for six months or longer.

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by Anonymousreply 238December 4, 2020 6:48 PM

Moderna Covid-19 vaccine trial participant recounts her experience (CNN)

A Moderna Covid-19 vaccine participant discussed her experience after taking two shots of the experimental drug in August and September.

Susan Froelich recounted the illness she experienced after taking the second shot, which she said could have been a placebo and not the vaccine.

"I woke up with a horrible stomach ache and headache, and it was like I was at the beginning stages of a bad flu," Froelich told CNN during its global coronavirus town hall. "And so, I didn't have anything to take for it at the time so I was in a lot of pain until about four hours later, when my husband woke up and I had him go get me some Naproxen."

Froelich said she took 440 milligrams of Naproxen, which cleared her symptoms but "it was like every part of my body was hurting for about four hours."

"If I hadn't Naproxen right away, I think those symptoms would've abated more quickly. But my muscles hurt, my joints hurt, my bones hurt, my jaw hurt. But it was for such a short time," she said.

by Anonymousreply 239December 5, 2020 4:58 AM

They left out the part where she said she’d be first in line to do it all over again and that she took part in an another study after the vaccine trial and her antibody levels were very high.

by Anonymousreply 240December 5, 2020 5:16 AM

Well that's one sure way to stop a Pandemic Rules and Regulations Violater!

by Anonymousreply 241December 5, 2020 8:25 AM

I wonder if we'll be wearing masks forever ?

by Anonymousreply 242December 5, 2020 8:30 AM

For those of you who are to care, The Last Man On Earth is on the Pluto Cult Films Channel #109 @ 1:45 pm today.

by Anonymousreply 243December 5, 2020 4:25 PM

Thanks R243. It's also on Amazon Prime, but it's a colorized version.

by Anonymousreply 244December 5, 2020 4:35 PM

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by Anonymousreply 245December 5, 2020 6:09 PM

The U.S. Has Passed the Hospital Breaking Point

"The bulk of evidence now suggests that one of the worst fears of the pandemic—that hospitals would become overwhelmed, leading to needless deaths—is happening now. Americans are dying of COVID-19 who, had they gotten sick a month earlier, would have lived. This is such a searingly ugly idea that it is worth repeating: Americans are likely dying of COVID-19 now who would have survived had they gotten September’s level of medical care."

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by Anonymousreply 246December 5, 2020 10:05 PM

[quote]Americans are likely dying of COVID-19 now who would have survived had they gotten September’s level of medical care.

Or Trump's level of medical care.

by Anonymousreply 247December 5, 2020 11:08 PM

Allegheny County has clocked in at about 1,000 new cases per day and a 30% positive rate for the past three days now. (And our per capita testing still sucks, and county leadership has given up.)

Meanwhile on the sub-Reddit devoted to local COVID issues, a person reported that one "upscale" suburban mall was packed today, and they saw dozens of unmasked people all lined up for...

...

....

pictures with Santa.

Mother of god. Just pipe sarin gas into the place, I'm fucking done. We're doomed.

by Anonymousreply 248December 5, 2020 11:23 PM

There's this shitty mall near where I live and there's a giant billboard up advertising that Santa is in and to come on by. I'm in Illinois where cases are high, but little Madysyn needs to sit on Santa's lap.

by Anonymousreply 249December 6, 2020 12:02 AM

That kind of bullshit is why we will have at least 500,000 deaths before this is over.

by Anonymousreply 250December 6, 2020 12:05 AM

Pennsylvania breaks daily Covid-19 case count record again

From CNN’s Taylor Romine

Pennsylvania has reported another record day of new Covid-19 cases, recording 12,884 additional cases, according to the state's health department.

This is the highest daily increase of Covid-19 cases in the state since the pandemic started, breaking Friday’s record of 11,763 cases. To date, 411,484 cases have been recorded in Pennsylvania.

The state is also reporting an additional 149 deaths, bringing the state’s Covid-19 death toll to 11,262.

The statewide positivity rate was recorded at 14.4% from Nov. 27 to Dec. 3, the health department said.

To note: These numbers were released by the state of Pennsylvania, and may not line up exactly in real time with CNN’s database drawn from Johns Hopkins University and the Covid Tracking Project.

by Anonymousreply 251December 6, 2020 12:52 AM

My neighbor is from PA and she went home for Thanksgiving. Bet she'll be going home for xmas too.

by Anonymousreply 252December 6, 2020 12:52 AM

Hawaii is offering free round trips to remote workers who want to live there temporarily

From CNN's Alaa Elassar

What better way to survive a pandemic than to do it on a beach in Hawaii?

For anyone who finds the idea dreamy, Hawaii is offering free round trip tickets to Oahu to out-of-state remote workers who want to live and work there while contributing to the state's economy.

The state launched the temporary residency program, known as "Movers and Shakas," in collaboration with schools and businesses. It's accepting its first group of applicants until December 15.

"Movers and Shakas is a small step towards economic recovery and diversifying our economy," Jason Higa, the group's founder, told CNN.

"The pandemic," he said, "has normalized remote work for the foreseeable future, so we believe this situation presents an opportunity for local residents to return home, and for out of state professionals to experience Hawaii, not as tourists, but as contributing members of our community."

Fifty people will be chosen for the first cohort. Later applicants will be accepted on a rolling basis. To apply, you must be a remote worker and at least 18 years old.

by Anonymousreply 253December 6, 2020 12:54 AM

NYC COVID-19 numbers still rising in ‘cluster zones,’ positive rate dips statewide: Cuomo

The statewide COVID-19 positivity rate has fallen slightly, but infection rates are still rising in Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx and Staten Island, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday.

The test positivity rate dipped to 4.99 percent statewide, from 5.4 percent on Thursday.

At least 10,661 people tested positive in New York state Friday, while 69 state residents died of the virus.

But in Cuomo’s designated “yellow zone” in Brooklyn, the positivity rate shot up to 8.53 percent Friday from 8.07 percent the day before. In Staten Island’s “orange” zone, the rate Friday was 7.58 percent, up from 7.2 percent Thursday. In Kew Gardens, Queens, the rate rose to 4.8 percent from 4.68 percent. There was also a slight increase in Bronx East, to 5.57 percent, and a dip in Bronx West, to 5.35 percent.

“I understand New Yorkers may be feeling COVID fatigue, especially now that we have entered the holiday season and the first batch of vaccines is a couple weeks away, but if there was ever a time to double down and be vigilant, it’s now,” Cuomo said in a statement.

“What’s troubling is we are seeing a new trend where the majority of cases are traced to households and private gatherings.”

Cuomo said he is focused on making sure the state’s hospitals have enough capacity, and renewed criticism of the federal government’s vaccine plan, which he said overlooks “the black, brown and poor communities,” and doesn’t provide necessary funding to administer the plan, despite the state having a $7.5 million stash available.

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by Anonymousreply 254December 6, 2020 1:02 AM

R253: I would’ve jumped on that opportunity when I was younger and childless!

by Anonymousreply 255December 6, 2020 6:48 AM

208,790 new cases in the US reported yesterday. Reporting is always down over the weekend too because some don't report again until Monday.

How long before it's 300K new cases per day?

by Anonymousreply 256December 6, 2020 8:17 AM

California recorded more than 24,900 new coronavirus cases today. That's the highest one-day total that any state has recorded this year.

It's almost as many cases as Australia has reported over the entire pandemic (27,958).

by Anonymousreply 257December 6, 2020 11:25 AM

Maybe they could have skipped the Rockefeller Center Xmas tree this year?

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by Anonymousreply 258December 6, 2020 12:27 PM

r257 Yes, sad situation in LA Cty where I live. I glare @ folks still going maskless in non-socially distanced situations. Few of my less concerned acquaintances (generally younger) are hammering the low mortality rate and apparently, not worried and/or couldn't speak intelligibly bout long-term effects for asymptomatics. Anyways, at least free @home tests are now available. Got mine next day after request & results w/in 48hrs

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by Anonymousreply 259December 6, 2020 12:37 PM

New York Post: More than half of New York City firefighters say they won’t be vaccinated for COVID-19 when the potentially life-saving shot becomes available to first responders in a matter of weeks, according to a new internal survey.

The FDNY announced last week it would not make the vaccine mandatory for its members, a policy expected to be followed by all city agencies and even hospitals.

by Anonymousreply 260December 6, 2020 2:29 PM

I cannot remember where I saw it today (maybe DL actually) but there is evidence that post-Covid causes erectile dysfunction in males.

So that sounds like fun on top of all the other fun.

by Anonymousreply 261December 6, 2020 2:34 PM

Here it is. It only got 13 posts so it seems nobody cares about post-Covid erectile dysfunction!

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by Anonymousreply 262December 6, 2020 2:35 PM

"Life table calculations show Covid-19 mortality will lower the U.S. life expectancy at birth (LEB) for 2020 by one full year. Such an impact on the U.S. LEB is unprecedented since the end of World War II.

The impact of Covid-19 on U.S. mortality can be expected to cancel a decade of gains against all other causes of mortality combined."

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by Anonymousreply 263December 6, 2020 2:39 PM

I saw on NBC News tonight that Coronavirus has overtaken heart disease as the leading cause of death in the USA.

by Anonymousreply 264December 6, 2020 2:46 PM

WSJ: Sweden tried to achieve herd immunity through no lockdowns, restrictions or masking. Last week, they hit 7,000 deaths. Denmark, Finland and Norway, all similar-sized countries who instituted safety measures, have just 878, 415 and 354. Herd immunity failed.

by Anonymousreply 265December 6, 2020 2:50 PM

Has anybody done the antibody test? I'm one of those from the December thread that got that terrible flu that last 6 weeks and was traveling all over Europe when I got it. Would it be too long to show antibodies? Any stories?

by Anonymousreply 266December 6, 2020 2:58 PM

The stupid thing is herd immunity takes a long time, I'm dismayed that doctors in Sweden do not know this.

by Anonymousreply 267December 6, 2020 4:23 PM

Someone also mentioned mutated virus again, again I say that viruses always mutate to be less virulent not more virulent, this is not new, we have known this for a long time. Stop spreading panic.

by Anonymousreply 268December 6, 2020 4:26 PM

Another helpful drug that everyone will ignore in the rush to a vaccine.

[quote] Investigators working in the Institute for Biomedical Sciences at Georgia State University have discovered that the therapy Molnupiravir completely suppresses transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus within 24 hours. Prior research looked at how the therapy interacted with influenza viruses but has now led to the finding on the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). "We noted early on that MK-4482/EIDD-2801 has broad-spectrum activity against respiratory RNA viruses and that treating infected animals by mouth with the drug lowers the amount of shed viral particles by several orders of magnitude, dramatically reducing transmission," Richard Plemper, lead author on the study said. "These properties made MK-4482/EIDD/2801 a powerful candidate for pharmacologic control of COVID-19."

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by Anonymousreply 269December 6, 2020 4:35 PM

I was reading an article about the NFL team the ravens and they were hit with covid. They said they found 4 strains of the virus, one of them spread throughout the whole organization.

by Anonymousreply 270December 6, 2020 4:52 PM

Democratic senator says there could be a stimulus agreement "as early as tomorrow"

From CNN's Lindy Royce

Sen. Mark Warner, a Democrat from Virginia, told CNN there could be an agreement on a stimulus bill as early as Monday.

Warner, who is part of a bipartisan group of eight senators hashing out a compromise on a stimulus bill, said they are close to an agreement.

“I think we have got the top line numbers done. We are working right now on language so that we can have – as early as tomorrow – a piece of legislation," he said.

The Democratic Senator from Virginia says it will be a four-month emergency relief package with a $908 billion price tag.

The agreement “will give targeted relief for the unemployed; for people in food insecurity; rental assistance; small businesses that have run out of their PP funds and additional funds to those minority businesses that have been extraordinarily hit hard,” Warner said.

“We put additional assistance in finally for broadband, which we all know is an academic necessity and additional dollars around the vaccine distribution; assistance for hospitals," he added.

Warner predicts, despite the fact that neither Republicans nor Democrats are getting everything they would like in the bill, there will be enough votes to support passage of the measure.

“I have pretty high assurance that it would get way beyond 60 votes," he said.

by Anonymousreply 271December 6, 2020 5:08 PM

South Korea to toughen distancing measures as coronavirus cases continue to rise

From CNN's Jake Kwon in Seoul

South Korea's Minister of Health Park Neung-hoo announced the country will raise its social distancing measures from this Tuesday, as the capital city area has entered a "widespread stage."

South Korea was widely praised as a Covid-19 success story, and had managed to keep the pandemic largely under control.

But there are now more active Covid-19 cases in South Korea than at any other point through the pandemic, according to the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency.

Pandemic is on the brink of spreading: The Seoul Metropolitan Area will enter the fourth-highest level of social distancing restrictions in a five-level system for three weeks starting on Tuesday at 12 a.m. local time, Park said Sunday.

Park noted that past distancing measures had not yielded a clear result and that the pandemic is at the brink of spreading to the rest of the country.

There are currently 7,873 Covid-19 patients in the country, which has recorded a total of 37,546 cases and 545 deaths since the pandemic began.

Seoul restrictions: From Tuesday in the Seoul Metropolitan Area, gatherings including those at weddings and funerals must not exceed 50 people. Karaoke businesses and gyms must close, and spectators will be banned at sports events.

Hair salons and movie theatres must close after 9 p.m. The government will strongly recommend private businesses transition to work from home so only one-third of workers are in the workplace.

Masks mandatory as Covid-19 hospital beds could run out: In the rest of the country, masks will become mandatory in all indoor facilities, and gatherings must not exceed 100 people. Bars and clubs will be closed, and restaurants will only be allowed to serve takeout and deliveries past 9 p.m.

If the current trend persists, beds dedicated to critical care of Covid-19 patients will run out in about a week, Park said. Park said the health authority will work to secure more critical care beds dedicated to Covid-19 patients from 177 beds currently, to 274 beds by December 15.

"We are no longer recommending refraining from having gatherings. Please cancel all of them and reduce all activity for these three weeks," Park said.

by Anonymousreply 272December 6, 2020 5:09 PM

Europe's social safety net is often considered the gold standard. Coronavirus has exposed its holes

From CNN's Emma Reynolds in London

Ros Davies is usually busiest at Christmas, building magnificent sets and stages for London's most sparkling parties and events.

This year, the fairytale is canceled. Davies, a self-employed carpenter hasn't worked since March because of the pandemic and has no idea when she may do so again.

She's living in temporary accommodation found for her in the city by St. Mungo's, a homelessness charity, while a plan to get her into permanent housing is on hold.

"I was hoping to move on and sort my life properly but ... here we are," the 50-year old told CNN Business. "I wouldn't have believed if you had said a year ago that your job's going to stop in March and that's it, you might never work doing that again."

Davies did some retraining in painting and decorating, but with England just coming out of a second lockdown it hasn't led to any work. She has gone from regular jobs that paid enough for her to take vacations, to complete reliance on UK social security payments of just over £400 ($530) a month.

Workers falling through the cracks: Coronavirus has revealed gaping holes in European social safety nets that are often seen as the gold standard. While many countries introduced support programs for workers affected by the pandemic, people are falling through the cracks. Most often, those who were already suffering the effects of inequality are hit the hardest — lower-income workers, those in insecure jobs, young people, women and minority ethnic groups.

"Some of the social security systems in Europe are more extensive, better developed [than in the United States]," Michael Spence, a Nobel Laureate and former dean of Stanford Business School, told CNN Business.

He said that during the 2008 financial crisis, pre-existing programs involving governments and businesses helped many European countries avoid too many layoffs.

"But I think in the pandemic economy, the shock's so big that they kind of overwhelm the systems," he said. "The systems weren't built to withstand nearly overnight contractions of 25% in economies."

Unemployment was up by 2.18 million year on year in the European Union in October 2020, rising from a rate of 6.6% to 7.6%. The UK unemployment rate was an estimated 4.8% in the three months to September, up 0.9 percentage points year on year, and 782,000 jobs were lost between March and October, according to the Office for National Statistics.

by Anonymousreply 273December 6, 2020 5:10 PM

We're gonna wind up getting fucked with that emergency funds bill. We should have taken what we were offered back in July. We would have had money this entire time.

by Anonymousreply 274December 6, 2020 5:27 PM

Yeah, r274....right.

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by Anonymousreply 275December 6, 2020 5:31 PM

Orange turd tweeted that Giuliani has tested positive for the virus!

Sadly, I think he will recover...if that fat turd Chris Christie can survive, I think Giuliani will as well.

by Anonymousreply 276December 6, 2020 7:43 PM

r276 Just thoughts

by Anonymousreply 277December 6, 2020 7:49 PM

And quite obviously a super-spreader.

by Anonymousreply 278December 6, 2020 8:13 PM

I hope this means that the stupid cunt testifying with him the other day gets it.

And Jenna Ellis. Can ass gas carry the Covid?

by Anonymousreply 279December 6, 2020 8:21 PM

NYT -- Senate Republicans have invited a leading anti-vaxxer to be the lead witness at a Homeland Security committee hearing on Tuesday at a time when the US is preparing the largest-ever vaccination campaign to fight Covid.

by Anonymousreply 280December 7, 2020 3:00 AM

Yikes:

At least one person has died and 200 others have been hospitalized due to an unidentified illness in the southern Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, reports said Monday.

Officials are trying to determine the cause of the illness. So far, water samples from impacted areas haven’t shown any signs of contamination and patients have tested negative for COVID-19.

A 45-year-old man who was hospitalized with symptoms similar to epilepsy and nausea died Sunday evening.

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by Anonymousreply 281December 7, 2020 11:50 AM

Dr. Deborah Birx warned on Sunday that the escalating coronavirus surge is likely to be the most trying event in U.S. history, as hospital systems around the country strain to combat its mounting daily death toll.

“This is not just the worst public health event. This is the worst event that this country will face, not just from a public health side,” Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator, said during a masked appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

by Anonymousreply 282December 7, 2020 12:48 PM

China's experimental Covid-19 vaccines have arrived in Indonesia

From Eric Cheung in Hong Kong

Indonesia says 1.2 million doses of China's experimental Covid-19 vaccine have arrived in Jakarta in good condition.

The vaccines were received from China's Sinovac Biotech Ltd. late on Sunday.

Indonesia plans to vaccinate nine million people with the experimental vaccine this month, according to a senior government minister.

The vaccination drive is is separate from Phase 3 clinical trials for Sinovac, which are taking place in West Java in conjunction with Indonesia's state-owned biotechnology company Bio Farma.

Indonesia said Monday that the shipment arrived in "good condition," and that the doses were ready to be distributed across the country, according to the state-run Antara News Agency.

The 1.2 million vaccine doses will be distributed from a refrigerated vehicle, according to the country's Health Minister Terawan Agus Putranto.

Medical workers and their assistants, as well as supporting workers in health facilities, will be prioritized, the minister added.

Indonesia is expected to release another 1.8 million doses of Covid-19 vaccines from Sinovac in January 2021, according to Antara.

by Anonymousreply 283December 7, 2020 2:13 PM

UK prepares to give first Covid-19 vaccinations as the world watches

From CNN's Laura Smith-Spark, Mia Alberti and Niamh Kennedy

Britain's healthcare providers are gearing up to start giving the first doses of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, less than a week after the United Kingdom became the first Western nation to approve a Covid-19 vaccine.

Vaccinations are set to begin on Tuesday in England, Wales and Scotland. Northern Ireland said it would start administering the vaccine early in the week but did not specify which day.

The process -- which is complicated by the need to store the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine under strict conditions and give each recipient two doses, three weeks apart -- will be closely watched from around the world.

Saffron Cordery, deputy chief executive of NHS Providers, told Sky News on Sunday that 50 hospital hubs across England had already received their allocation of the vaccine, and that the distribution of the vaccine was "really well underway now."

by Anonymousreply 284December 7, 2020 2:23 PM

The Arizona Legislature will be closed all next week after at least 15 current or future Republican legislators may have been directly exposed to COVID-19 by meeting with Rudy Giuliani.

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by Anonymousreply 285December 7, 2020 2:32 PM

Stupid question perhaps but - how were they able to trace COVID infections in El Paso to big box stores?

It's seems to be a correlation rather than causation. People who got COVID were more mobile and shopped - at big box stores, as a large percentage do - particularly those with kids and teenagers.

I just don't see how they can conclusively connect the two. I still believe COVID is being spread within homes and at parties and social gatherings.

by Anonymousreply 286December 7, 2020 2:38 PM

R265 - Sweden absolutely did restrict a LOT of activities. Don't believe the misinformation that they went on life as usual. They did not and it was still bad. No, they didn't have a 'lock-down' but a lot of precautions were put into place and people worked from home among many other restrictions.

by Anonymousreply 287December 7, 2020 2:43 PM

R286 I believe that's exactly what they did: confused correlation with causation.

by Anonymousreply 288December 7, 2020 5:22 PM

Fauci affirms he's willing to take Covid-19 vaccine publicly

From CNN's Jacqueline Howard

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on Monday that he is willing to take the Covid-19 vaccine publicly once one is authorized in the United States.

"I'd be more than happy to do it publicly," Fauci told CBS' Norah O'Donnell during the Milken Institute Future of Health Summit.

"When I see the FDA with their career scientists say that a vaccine is safe and effective, I will take it myself when my time comes," Fauci said. "And I will recommend it to all people, including my friends President Clinton, Obama, Bush and others to take the vaccine because I would feel comfortable."

Former Presidents Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and George W. Bush have all said that they are willing to take the Covid-19 vaccine in public settings.

by Anonymousreply 289December 7, 2020 7:16 PM

Odd that Fauci doesn't include Trump in the list of friends he would recommend take the vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 290December 7, 2020 7:22 PM

r290 Because didn't 45 said he was permanently cured of Covid & so why would he need the vaccine 🙄

by Anonymousreply 291December 7, 2020 7:40 PM

Because he's a Trump and is gonna insist on having everything whether he needs or deserves it r291.

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by Anonymousreply 293December 7, 2020 7:57 PM

NYT: Trump admin officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. government additional doses of its vaccine.

Now Pfizer may not be able provide more of its vaccine to the US until next June because of its commitments to other countries.

As the administration scrambles to try to purchase more doses of the vaccine, President Trump plans on Tuesday to sign an executive order “to ensure that United States government prioritizes getting the vaccine to American citizens before sending it to other nations,” according to a draft statement and a White House official, though it was not immediately clear what force the president’s executive order would carry.

by Anonymousreply 294December 7, 2020 8:52 PM

NYC synagogue foiled over giant wedding succeeds in holding jam-packed funeral

A Brooklyn synagogue that was stopped by the state before it could host a massive wedding in October finally succeeded on Monday in pulling off another potential super-spreader event — a jam-packed funeral.

The Congregation Yetev Lev D’Satmar went coronavirus rogue for the funeral of 94-year-old former chief Satmar judge Rabbi Yisroel Chaim Menashe Friedman — with up to an estimated 5,000 people cramming the house of worship at 152 Rodney St. in Williamsburg.

Bodies were pressed in on all sides and spilled out onto the sidewalk as just a fraction of the Hasidic crowd was seen wearing masks.

Five NYPD officers were seen standing nearby outside the house of worship — where a crowd of men and boys failed to socially distance, many also maskless or with their masks down around their necks.

“Normally, we would avoid having such a crowd unless it was for something very, very important. This was one of those times,’’ said an attendee whose first name is Lipa.

“This man was a giant,’’ he said of Friedman. “He was there from the beginning, when the community was rebuilding after the war. A very, very holy man. For someone like him, you couldn’t keep people from coming even if you wanted to.”

Another man at the service claimed that the community is immune to COVID-19 at this point — because virtually all of its members have already contracted it.

“Ask anybody here if they had COVID. They’ll say yes — and they won’t be lying,’’ the man said. “People from the outside, they don’t understand that. We’ve all had it.”

According to the CDC, even if a person has been infected and recovers from the virus, he or she may still be in danger of getting it again.

An organizer did announce in Yiddish just before the service that there were face masks available at the door, but hardly anyone donned masks inside.

Meanwhile, hours before the 12:30 p.m. funeral began, the synagogue held an event Sunday night — where maskless men packed around a dais as Grand Rabbi Zalman Leib Teitelbaum told them, “We are not Americans.”

The rabbi was commemorating the annual anniversary of legendary Satmar leader Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum’s escape from the Nazis on Dec. 7, 1944, during the Holocaust.

“We need to understand that we are in exile. We live here, but we are not Americans,” the younger Teitelbaum said, according to the Jerusalem Post.

Teitelbaum also oversaw the funeral for Friedman.

The synagogue is the same place where Teitelbaum’s grandchild was set to be wed in a ceremony with 10,000 attendees in October — before Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s office caught wind of the gathering and slapped a state order barring it from occurring.

New York currently allows “no more than 33% of the maximum occupancy for a particular area for [religious] services occurring indoors,’’ according to the state’s Web site. People who are not members of the same household must remain 6 feet apart.

A certificate of occupancy for the synagogue from the city Department of Buildings says it can hold 1,600 people max.

In November, Teitelbaum’s rabbi brother, Aaron, pulled off a secret wedding with thousands of attendees a few blocks from his sibling’s temple in Williamsburg.

At the time, Mayor Bill de Blasio called the event “amazingly irresponsible’’ and levied $15,000 in fines against the synagogue.

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by Anonymousreply 295December 7, 2020 9:50 PM

Aubrey Plaza says Kristen Stewart got COVID-19 on ‘Happiest Season’ set

It may not have been the “Happiest Season” for the cast of the new Hulu holiday rom-com.

In a new interview, Aubrey Plaza revealed COVID-19 hit the set of the Kristen Stewart-led LGBTQ Christmas movie in late February when they were filming.

“Yes, right before COVID, in fact, COVID was on our set. Kristen got sick, but we didn’t know,” Plaza, 36, said on “The Late Show With Stephen Colbert” last week.

Plaza added that a lot of people on the set got sick around that time and no one thought anything of it.

“It was the last week of February so people were starting, it was like that zone where people were starting to talk about coronavirus, but people were laughing about it,” she said. “No one understood how serious it was. But a bunch of people on our set got sick. I didn’t, thank God.”

Reps for Hulu and Stewart did not immediately return Page Six’s request for comment.

The film — which also stars Dan Levy, Mackenzie Davis, Mary Steenburgen, Victor Garber and Alison Brie — hit the streaming service on Nov. 25.

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by Anonymousreply 296December 7, 2020 9:55 PM

A physician who works at Walter Reed Medical Center and criticized President Donald Trump for his joy ride with Secret Service agents to wave to his fans while battling COVID-19 has been “removed” from the military hospital’s schedule. Dr. James Phillips, who also serves as Chief of Disaster Medicine at George Washington University, will not be attending to Walter Reed patients as of next month.

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by Anonymousreply 297December 7, 2020 10:29 PM

Here's a deal for the Teitelbaums: When any of their cult members get sick, they are required to stay in their homes and nurse each other. No hospitals for them, and no public assistance. Sound fair?

by Anonymousreply 298December 7, 2020 10:40 PM

Try this (app) on for size

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by Anonymousreply 299December 7, 2020 11:53 PM

R293 - that festival is full of the entitled wealthy Millennials that I just cannot stand. Ugh.

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by Anonymousreply 301December 8, 2020 1:39 PM

Majority of British adults trust approved Covid-19 vaccine, poll finds (CNN)

More than half of British adults say they would trust a coronavirus vaccine that has been approved for use, a Savanta ComRes poll for CNN affiliate ITV News reported last week.

Some 57% of people said they trusted a vaccine after approval, compared to 16% who said they would not trust one. Other respondents said they did not know or neither trusted nor distrusted a vaccine.

About four out of 10 (39%) respondents said they would trust a vaccine before it had gained approval, while a quarter (26%) said they would not. About a third (36%) did not know or said they neither trusted nor distrusted a pre-approval vaccine.

Nearly half (47%) of British adults said they were comfortable with Covid vaccines being developed faster than normal. Almost a quarter (23%) said they were not, with the rest of the respondents saying they did not know or were neither comfortable nor uncomfortable.

The pollster surveyed 2,090 British adults from November 20-22, 2020 -- before Tuesday's Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine roll-out in the UK was approved.

The margin of error on the results is +/- 2 percentage points. Responses may not total 100% due to rounding.

by Anonymousreply 302December 8, 2020 1:41 PM

R301 - can you go by one day's infections? Some states have delayed reporting over the weekends and holidays.

by Anonymousreply 303December 8, 2020 2:05 PM

AP: Documents released by U.S. regulators Tuesday confirmed that Pfizer and BioNTech’s COVID-19 vaccine was strongly protective against COVID-19 — offering the world’s first detailed look at the evidence behind the shots.

On Thursday, the FDA will convene what's essentially a science court that will debate — in public and live-streamed — just how strong the data backing the shots really is. A panel of independent scientists will pick apart the FDA's first-pass review before recommending whether the vaccine appears safe and effective enough for millions of Americans. The FDA, which typically follows the committee's advice, is expected to issue a decision in the days following the review.

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by Anonymousreply 304December 8, 2020 2:11 PM

Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine candidate offers some protection after the first dose, with nearly full protection after the second dose, according to documents released Tuesday by the Food and Drug Administration.

The new information shows it has benefits even after the first dose, with an effectiveness of more than 50 percent about a week later. What's more, the effectiveness seems to be the same across all age groups, racial and ethnic minorities, and people with underlying conditions, such as obesity, diabetes and high blood pressure.

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by Anonymousreply 305December 8, 2020 2:51 PM

The entire continental U.S. is a hotspot now. The concept that COVID is a biblical plague that would only strike wicked blue cities and pass over the godly red countryside went out with the idea that if we just did nothing it would burn harmlessly through the population, leaving only a few dead old fat people.

by Anonymousreply 306December 8, 2020 2:59 PM

[quote]NYT: Trump admin officials passed when Pfizer offered in late summer to sell the U.S. government additional doses of its vaccine.

Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, now a member of the Pfizer board of directors, has confirmed this report. He said today that the pharmaceutical giant offered the Trump administration the chance to buy additional doses of its coronavirus vaccine "multiple times", but that officials turned down the offers.

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by Anonymousreply 307December 8, 2020 3:07 PM

I may well be as dense as a brick, but why on earth would the trump "administration" turn down the offers of additional doses of the vaccine?

by Anonymousreply 308December 8, 2020 3:31 PM

The explanation I heard was that he was planning to give it to red states and withhold it from blue states, rather like he did with PPE. There's also the possibility that by creating the scarcity, he could sell the vaccine to all states at a higher price.

by Anonymousreply 309December 8, 2020 3:35 PM

When they offered, was it proven that it was effective yet?

by Anonymousreply 310December 8, 2020 3:40 PM

We have to look at any Trump administrations stock purchases the past 90 days.

by Anonymousreply 311December 8, 2020 3:42 PM

[quote]why on earth would the trump "administration" turn down the offers of additional doses of the vaccine?

Moncef Slaoui, the chief science adviser for the administration's Operation Warp Speed, said that the administration is relying on six different companies, not just Pfizer.

"Let me remind everybody what our strategy is and has always been: We selected six different vaccines to build a portfolio to manage the risk that some may work and some may not work, but also to ensure that as more than one would work we would accumulate vaccine doses from this portfolio of vaccines," Slaoui said on ABC.

"In the summer if somebody came to us and said 'Let's buy more of this vaccine or that vaccine,' no one reasonable would buy more from any one of those vaccines because we didn't know which one would work and which one may be better than the other."

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by Anonymousreply 313December 8, 2020 4:20 PM

[quote]Many people have opted for the face shields in preference to masks as they are less restrictive and claustrophobic.

I've never encountered anyone with a face shield who wasn't also wearing a mask.

by Anonymousreply 314December 8, 2020 4:22 PM

I've never encountered anyone with a face shield period. Then again, this is Miami and it is hit or miss whether or not I encounter anyone with a mask.

by Anonymousreply 315December 8, 2020 5:30 PM

I just talked to my doctor in LA to find out about when I might be able to be vaccinated, having a compromised immune system. He wrote back-

there is no current information at all about how the vaccine will be distributed. The US has not even formally approved one for distribution. I am not sure if vaccines will be distributed locally or via government central locations. This will get political and controversial quickly though.

We will have to stay tuned about the rules.

by Anonymousreply 316December 8, 2020 7:11 PM

Hoping for the best for the vaccine but the darkest days are still sadly ahead for the US. So many people in denial and so many people who are following the rules everyday but who believe that their "little" holiday gatherings are "ok" because THEY have been following the rules...until now. But, there is no let up with this virus. Another friend just lost her father. Another family member is ill. Yes, we are truly fucked for now. No doubt about it. Are you willing to do whatever is necessary? That is the question

by Anonymousreply 317December 8, 2020 8:05 PM

Including the lengths that DeSantis will go to so that people will stay in denial...

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by Anonymousreply 318December 8, 2020 8:26 PM

London might be placed into Tier 3 by next week due to accelerating hospital admissions. Enough of this self-congratulatory shit in the media over there about the vaccinations.

by Anonymousreply 319December 8, 2020 10:28 PM

De Santis is a Trump puppet. Can't wait to see what he does when Biden assumes the presidency.

by Anonymousreply 320December 8, 2020 10:55 PM

You wear a face shield over a mask. The mask protectxs others from your facial emissions, the shield protects you from theirs.

by Anonymousreply 321December 8, 2020 11:04 PM

More on DeSantis and his Florida debacle...

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by Anonymousreply 322December 9, 2020 1:26 AM

Pennsylvania records its highest number of Covid-19 hospitalizations since pandemic began

From CNN's Anna Sturla

More than 5,561 Pennsylvanians were hospitalized with Covid-19 on Tuesday, the highest since the pandemic began, according to the Pennsylvania Department of Health.

The department said it was expecting "to see case counts and hospitalizations increase into the winter and during flu season," spokesperson Maggi Mumma told CNN.

Pennsylvania has 1,160 residents in intensive care. Earlier Tuesday, the Commonwealth announced that it had 10,170 new Covid-19 cases on Monday, reaching a total of 436,614.

by Anonymousreply 323December 9, 2020 1:33 AM

Interesting - R316. I'm in LA too. My friends friend is an "executive MD" for the ultra wealthy. He said he will have the vaccine as soon as it is out and will give it to any of us who want it. None of us want it though. He's going to take it right away. We'll see what happens.

by Anonymousreply 324December 9, 2020 3:43 AM

I want to know which one of you is responsible for the arrival of the Pittsburgh Monolith, and if there's a Corona Connection?

Can it cure The Corona?

by Anonymousreply 325December 9, 2020 3:50 AM

Summary of 2020: Mother Earth is not pleased with some of her children, and they will pay the price. She can be a nasty cunt.

by Anonymousreply 326December 9, 2020 3:50 AM

158 people arrested in super spreader house party in CA!

Can we execute them like in N. Korea??

by Anonymousreply 327December 9, 2020 3:51 AM

Mother Earth is pissed off! I've said this before, but did you see how quickly the earth healed itself when were really staying at home in the spring? The air was the cleanest it have ever been, wildlife was seen on deserted city streets. This was within a month of the cities shutting down.

by Anonymousreply 328December 9, 2020 3:53 AM

Makeshift Hospital Fort Riley Kansas -- Spanish Flu Pandemic 1918

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by Anonymousreply 329December 9, 2020 11:32 AM

Makeshift Hospital two floors of the parking garage at Renown Regional Medical Center, Reno Nevada -- COVID19 Pandemic 2020

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by Anonymousreply 330December 9, 2020 11:35 AM

Royal Caribbean had their first cruise (to nowhere) out of Singapore a few days ago.

Wanna guess how it went?

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by Anonymousreply 331December 9, 2020 1:10 PM

Let's inject a little silver lining to Covid crisis, and this will be during the Biden administration

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by Anonymousreply 332December 9, 2020 2:58 PM

Rhode Island leads the US for highest average of new Covid-19 cases per 100,000 people

From CNN’s Virginia Langmaid

Rhode Island is currently reporting an average of 123 new coronavirus cases per 100,000 people, according to JHU data -- the highest number by this metric in the United States.

The states with the top five averages in the US currently are:

Rhode Island: 123 new cases per 100,000 people

Indiana: 102 new cases per 100,000 people

Utah: 98 new cases per 100,000 people

South Dakota: 97 new cases per 100,000 people

Alaska: 97 new cases per 100,000 people.

According to JHU data, the average number of cases per 100,000 people is rising in more than half the country. Rhode Island, Connecticut, California, and Tennessee are some states seeing this metric rise the quickest.

by Anonymousreply 333December 9, 2020 4:25 PM

No drinking for two months after COVID-19 vaccine, Russia tells citizens

Russian officials are warning citizens to avoid alcohol for two months after receiving the country’s COVID-19 vaccine — tough-to-swallow news for one of the world’s heaviest-drinking countries.

The warning came from Russian Deputy Prime Minister Tatiana Golikova, who said in an interview that Russians will have to observe extra precautions during the 42 days it takes for the Sputnik V coronavirus vaccine to become effective.

“[Russians] will have to refrain from visiting crowded places, wear face masks, use sanitizers, minimize contacts and refrain from drinking alcohol or taking immunosuppressant drugs,” Golikova told TASS News Agency.

Anna Popova, the head of Rospotrebnadzor, Russia’s consumer safety watchdog, echoed the sentiments in an interview with Radio Komsomolskaya Pravda, as reported in the Moscow Times.

“It’s a strain on the body. If we want to stay healthy and have a strong immune response, don’t drink alcohol,” she said.

According to the World Health Organization, Russia is the fourth-largest consumer of alcohol per person in the world. The average Russian consumes 15.1 liters (almost 4 gallons) of alcohol a year, according to the agency.

Russia’s efforts to vaccinate its population began in earnest over the weekend in Moscow. Health authorities in the country estimate that 100,000 people have already been inoculated.

“By the end of the week, all regions of the country will join this campaign,” Golikova said.

Russian health officials say the Sputnik V vaccine is over 90 percent effective, but reports say medical workers who have taken the shot have come down with COVID-19. Russian President Vladimir Putin has reportedly refused to take it.

Western experts have expressed skepticism at the speed at which the purported vaccine was developed and Russia hasn’t provided any data to back up its claims for the shot.

Russia has recorded 2.4 million coronavirus cases, as well as over 42,000 deaths from the disease.

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by Anonymousreply 334December 9, 2020 4:28 PM

Hotcha, r332!

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by Anonymousreply 335December 9, 2020 4:35 PM

R334 - that's for the Russian vaccine though, right?

It takes the Russian vaccine 42 days to be effective. Is that normal? What about the other vaccines - what's the time lag for those? Some of you must know the answer to this.

by Anonymousreply 336December 9, 2020 4:36 PM

UK issues allergy warning about Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine after patients fall ill

Two people who were jabbed with Pfizer’s recently-approved coronavirus vaccine in the UK had to be treated for unexpected adverse reactions — leading to warnings that those with “significant” allergies may not be able to get it.

People with “significant” allergic reactions are being warned not to get Pfizer’s new coronavirus vaccine — after two people needed treatment after being jabbed on the day it was launched in the UK.

The unidentified duo — both staff in the UK’s National Health Service (NHS) — needed treatment for an “anaphylactoid reaction” Tuesday after they were among the first in the world to get the shot.

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) immediately issued precautionary advice against vaccinating anyone with a history of “significant” allergic reactions to medicines, food or vaccines.

“Two people with a history of significant allergic reactions responded adversely yesterday,” said professor Stephen Powis, national medical director for the NHS in England, adding that “both are recovering well.”

“The MHRA have advised on a precautionary basis that people with a significant history of allergic reactions do not receive this vaccination,” he said, insisting the advice was “common with new vaccines.”

The head of the regulatory agency, Dr. June Raine, noted the adverse responses to the vaccine while reporting to a Parliament committee Wednesday.

“We know from the very extensive clinical trials that this wasn’t a feature,” she said.

“But if we need to strengthen our advice, now that we have had this experience with the vulnerable populations, the groups who have been selected as a priority, we get that advice to the field immediately.”

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by Anonymousreply 339December 9, 2020 5:16 PM

R339, better to reference the CDC than the Mail. Here's one example of the source scientific material for that article.

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by Anonymousreply 340December 9, 2020 5:22 PM

[quote] Interesting - [R316]. I'm in LA too. My friends friend is an "executive MD" for the ultra wealthy. He said he will have the vaccine as soon as it is out and will give it to any of us who want it. None of us want it though. He's going to take it right away. We'll see what happens.

I'm still waiting to hear back from my oncologist. I'll report back when I do.

by Anonymousreply 341December 9, 2020 5:55 PM

R339 - is it that surprising? COVID was developing and spreading. There are a lot of direct Milan-Wuhan connections as Wuhan is the fashion capital production of China.

So it was around a few months earlier - I don't see how this changes anything or is informative.

by Anonymousreply 342December 9, 2020 6:00 PM

WSJ: The federal government has fallen well short of its goal to shore up an emergency stockpile of respirator masks and some other personal protective equipment for health workers amid the current surge in Covid-19 cases.

There is growing alarm among some public health and state leaders about having enough medical gear to cope with a wave of cases that is projected to roughly double the U.S. death toll, now at more than 280,000, by February.

This was Jared's job, BTW.

by Anonymousreply 343December 9, 2020 6:24 PM

If the virus was in Europe in the fall of 2019 I am not sure why that would lead people to assume that China was covering it up. It makes me wonder if the virus originated in Italy and traveled to China from there rather than the other way round.

by Anonymousreply 344December 9, 2020 7:06 PM

SIGH

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by Anonymousreply 345December 9, 2020 7:24 PM

Yesterday: USA New Deaths +3243. People are still talking about death totals being low, but that number is a slow boil as it increases daily. I am afraid to see what things will be like in January.

Also, NY passed FL in number of New Cases: +10604 vs +9592. Gov Cuomo is going to shutdown NY again.

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by Anonymousreply 346December 10, 2020 3:28 AM

😞 Not My Governor Wolf !

by Anonymousreply 347December 10, 2020 3:47 AM

R346 - for some reason, I've been waiting for the 3000 deaths a day notice. We've been just under that for so long - it's going to skyrocket.

I wouldn't be surprised if we are at 4000 deaths a day in 2 weeks.

by Anonymousreply 348December 10, 2020 5:17 AM

R348 Perfect example of shrieking death mongering miserableness.

by Anonymousreply 349December 10, 2020 5:37 AM

[quote]Trump is pissed because a COVID-19 vaccine is coming, like Melania Trump has never done in his presence, and he's going.

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by Anonymousreply 350December 10, 2020 8:42 AM

R337 Thank you for your post. I had posted something similar in tne COVID Vaccine thread before reading yours. Dr. June Raine is either a bit disingenuous , or she simply hadn't read the report published of the Phase III Trial, as 137 Allergic reactions were observed, including anaphylaxis.

Four cases of Bell's Palsy have been observed in the US in the trial. Pfizer maintains none of these reactions should be construed as directly caused by the jab. Despite the warnings to those with allergies, the Pfizer spokesman doesn't agree with statements that these are actual adverse effects.

His rationale is that anaphylactoid response was seen in those who had received placebo, and that the incidence of Bell's Palsy was no greater than what is observed in the general population.

I find it quite difficult to swallow that it can NEVER be the vaccines. It's always an unfortunate coincidence, with some other external and unknown cause.

Right.

by Anonymousreply 351December 10, 2020 1:04 PM

NYT: At least 356,000 more people than normal have died in the U.S. between March 15 and Nov. 21 according to our analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

That is nearly 20% higher than what would be expected in a normal year.

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by Anonymousreply 352December 10, 2020 1:31 PM

R349 - don't you have a Trump rally to attend without your mask? Or is your fat ass too big to get into your mobile scooter anymore?

by Anonymousreply 353December 10, 2020 2:27 PM

[quote]This was Jared's job, BTW.

What hasn't been Jared's job? trump is such an incompetent boob, he can't even run a small organization effectively let alone he US government.

In some ways we are very lucky this pandemic hit or we would have had another 4 years of trump which would have been even worse IMO.

by Anonymousreply 354December 10, 2020 3:04 PM

[quote]trump is such an incompetent boob, he can't even run a small organization

He could run it into the ground.

by Anonymousreply 355December 10, 2020 3:43 PM

COVID-19 patient infected indoors after 5 minutes, 20 feet away: study

A South Korean high school student was infected with COVID-19 within five minutes and from a person 20 feet away while dining indoors, according to a new study.

The case initially stumped contact tracers because North Jeolla province, where the restaurant was located, hadn’t reported any infections in a month, according to the report in the Journal of Korean Medical Science.

The high school senior hadn’t traveled outside of the region in recent weeks, but cellphone GPS data showed she’d briefly overlapped at a restaurant with a saleswoman who contracted COVID-19 and visited for business.

Both of the cases were confirmed to have been from the same strain of the virus, researchers said.

Dr. Lee Ju-hyung, a professor at the Jeonbuk National University Medical School, worked to recreate the restaurant’s setup with his team and was surprised by how far the pair had been sitting from each other.

Surveillance footage showed the pair never spoke or touched the same cutlery, dishware or any other surfaces — but the movement of a lighting fixture indicated that an air conditioning unit had been on at the time.

Lee and other researchers measured the airflow throughout the restaurant.

“Incredibly, despite sitting a far distance away, the airflow came down the wall and created a valley of wind. People who were along that line were infected,” Lee said, according to the Los Angeles Times.

“We concluded this was a droplet transmission, and beyond [6 feet].”

The findings determined that the student had likely been infected during a five-minute window while sitting 20 feet away from the saleswoman.

“‘[The student] had to get a large dose in just five minutes, provided by larger aerosols probably about 50 microns,” Linsey Marr, an engineering professor at Virginia Tech who was not involved in the study, told the Los Angeles Times.

“Large aerosols or small droplets overlapping in that gray area can transmit disease further than one or two meters [3.3 to 6.6 feet] if you have strong airflow.”

Marr said the study illustrated the risk that comes with dining indoors — and that being the recommended six feet apart from others might not be enough.

“Eating indoors at a restaurant is one of the riskiest things you can do in a pandemic,” Marr said.

“Even if there is distancing, as this shows and other studies show, the distancing is not enough.”

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by Anonymousreply 356December 10, 2020 4:22 PM

R356 - I'm no engineer or handyman, but couldn't they put dividers over air vents to disperse the air and prevent this 'heavy flow'?

by Anonymousreply 357December 10, 2020 4:32 PM

Maxi-dividers for heavy flow?

by Anonymousreply 358December 10, 2020 4:55 PM

Hey, the other day I had a nurse suggest to me that if I didn't have any P2.5 filters for my mask, a panty shield would do in a pinch.

by Anonymousreply 359December 10, 2020 5:23 PM

[quote]Hey, the other day I had a nurse suggest to me that if I didn't have any P2.5 filters for my mask, a panty shield would do in a pinch.

What else do I need?

by Anonymousreply 360December 10, 2020 7:07 PM

More Trumpterfuge...

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by Anonymousreply 361December 10, 2020 7:34 PM

Has this been posted? Brazil reports a covid reinfection:

[quote] Brazil's first case of Covid-19 reinfection was confirmed Thursday in an official statement by the country's Ministry of Health. The victim is a 37-year-old health professional who lives in the state of Río Grande del Norte, in the northeast part of the country, according to the statement. The health professional first contracted the virus in June and recovered, but later tested positive again in October, the statement said.

[quote]"The analysis carried out allows us to confirm reinfection by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, after sequencing the complete viral genome that identified two different strains," the statement said. "The two samples were sent to the Laboratory, where the results were confirmed via RT-PCR methodology in real time."

So you can be reinfected with a different strain, like the flu? Does this mean a new vaccination every year depending on which strain is currently predominant, like yearly flu vaccinations?

by Anonymousreply 362December 10, 2020 8:06 PM

💉 [italic] Nobody Knows Nothin 'Bout The Corona Vaccine

by Anonymousreply 363December 10, 2020 9:00 PM

PA Governor Wolf puts his foot down on indoor school sports, indoor dining, and indoor entertainment for at least three weeks.

You Go, Tom !

by Anonymousreply 364December 10, 2020 9:04 PM

About fucking time. I'd hoped they'd let Lt Gov Fetterman make the announcement, since Tom has the 'rona.

by Anonymousreply 365December 10, 2020 9:31 PM

NYT: The daily death toll from the coronavirus in the United States for the next two to three months will be greater than the toll of terrorist attacks on 9/11, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield acknowledged Thursday.

“This is why we are really asking people to double down on the mitigation steps that we know work,” Redfield said, hinting at but not naming elected officials who have resisted calls to implement mask mandates. Transmission of the virus through gatherings in homes has surged, Redfield also said, warning that Americans should be more vigilant as the holidays loom.

by Anonymousreply 366December 10, 2020 10:15 PM

^^Sorry, that's from WaPo, not NYT.

by Anonymousreply 367December 10, 2020 10:15 PM

[quote]The daily death toll from the coronavirus in the United States for the next two to three months will be greater than the toll of terrorist attacks on 9/11

It is what it is.

by Anonymousreply 368December 10, 2020 10:17 PM

😷 It shouldn't be what it is.

by Anonymousreply 369December 10, 2020 10:34 PM

Here's another comparative death stat.

With over 299,000 American deaths due to COVID in less than a year, that's now more than the total number of Americans who died in combat during four years of WW2 (291,557).

by Anonymousreply 370December 10, 2020 10:40 PM

R353 Wrong on all fronts. Hate Trump. Voted for Biden / Harris. Still handsome and in shape. You however, are useless except for your endless death mongering all over the DL. Its all you do, you get some kind of sick glee out of it. You watch the news, clutch your knockoff pearls and SHRIEK!

by Anonymousreply 371December 10, 2020 11:25 PM

I don't think I can take the vaccine. I have allergies. both food and spring time. I sneeze non-stop when the trees/flowers bloom in the spring, it gets worse every year.

by Anonymousreply 372December 11, 2020 3:19 AM

Has anyone in LA activated there "exposure notification"? Newer iPhones have just been updated with it. Go to settings. I don't know if I want to activate it or not. Is this going to induce non stop anxiety?

by Anonymousreply 373December 11, 2020 3:31 AM

R362, so far, it's looking like the vaccines can take care of the strains identified.

R372, have you had a bad reaction to a previous vaccine, though?

by Anonymousreply 374December 11, 2020 3:41 AM

It isn't what it once was.

by Anonymousreply 375December 11, 2020 3:46 AM

It isn't what it once was.

by Anonymousreply 376December 11, 2020 3:46 AM

It never is, is it?

by Anonymousreply 377December 11, 2020 3:49 AM

[quote]I don't think I can take the vaccine. I have allergies. both food and spring time.

I don't think hay fever should dissuade you from taking the vaccine. We'll get more guidance on this in the weeks to come, but I'm betting if you don't have to carry an epi-pen, you're likely to be fine with the vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 378December 11, 2020 12:30 PM

Are there any stats comparing daily Covid deaths to daily 1918-20 pandemic? I searched and there appears to be inadequate reporting back then

by Anonymousreply 379December 11, 2020 1:42 PM

CNN questions pastor who falsely says Covid-19 is a 'fake pandemic'

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by Anonymousreply 380December 11, 2020 1:59 PM

CNN questions pastor who stupidly says Covid-19 is a 'fake pandemic'

by Anonymousreply 381December 11, 2020 2:14 PM

Rep. Porter Claims McConnell Putting 'Imaginary Need' Of Corporations Ahead Of Americans | Katy Tur

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by Anonymousreply 382December 11, 2020 2:15 PM

R382 - Katie Porter has been on fire lately. She needs a better high-profile job somewhere because she's fighting the good fight.

by Anonymousreply 383December 11, 2020 2:20 PM

Indoor dining is shut down again in NYC.

Will be interesting to see what they do with the outdoor dining that's basically fully enclosed.

I wish these edicts didn't seem quite so capricious.

by Anonymousreply 384December 11, 2020 4:08 PM

I have a trip to Europe in May. What happens if the airline requires me to have the vaccine but I wasn't considered high enough priority to have it by then? Probably not too likely, but still.

by Anonymousreply 385December 11, 2020 4:45 PM

I think flight/travel restrictions would be mostly status quo till end of 2022. Unless there is a dramatic decrease of infections.

by Anonymousreply 386December 11, 2020 4:54 PM

“Australia on Friday canceled a roughly $750 million plan for a large order of a locally developed coronavirus vaccine after the inoculation produced false positive test results for H.I.V. in some volunteers participating in a trial study.

Of the dozens of coronavirus vaccines being tested worldwide, the Australian one was the first to be abandoned. While its developers said the experimental vaccine had appeared to be safe and effective, the false positives risked undermining trust in the effort to vaccinate the public."

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by Anonymousreply 387December 11, 2020 5:22 PM

That pastor went around FB a few months ago and it was revealed that he'd had an affair with/left his wife for the church secretary and had a very messy divorce and had to leave his congregation or whatever these tattooed snake handlers call it.

by Anonymousreply 388December 11, 2020 5:27 PM

Boston biotech conference led to 333,000 coronavirus cases across US, analysis shows

From CNN’s Maggie Fox

A biotech conference in Boston in February that’s already been flagged as a Covid-19 superspreading event led to at least 333,000 other cases across the US and Europe, a new genetic fingerprinting study shows.

One single case seems to have been responsible for 245,000 other eventual cases, the team at the Broad Institute in Massachusetts reported.

Their study finds two particular genetic fingerprints of viruses associated with the conference and then tracks those lineages across the US. One “was exported from Boston to at least 18 US states as well as to other countries, including Australia, Sweden, and Slovakia,” the team, led by Bronwyn MacInnis, director of pathogen genomic surveillance at the Broad Institute, wrote in the journal Science.

One was especially bad. A virus carrying one mutation – a small genetic change they’ve flagged as C2416T – was apparently carried to the conference by a single person, and ended up infecting 245,000 people. A second viral strain with a mutation known as G26233T ended up in 88,000 people.

“A single introduction had an outsize effect on subsequent transmission because it was amplified by superspreading in a highly mobile population very early in the outbreak, before many public health precautions were put in place,” the team wrote.

“While Massachusetts accounted for most early spread related to the conference, Florida accounted for the greatest proportion of cases overall,” they added.

“We think this is an important cautionary tale of the downstream implications of superspreading, which is all the more relevant as we enter the peak of the holiday season, and begin rolling out vaccines that may not decrease transmission,” MacInnis told CNN.

by Anonymousreply 389December 11, 2020 6:22 PM

Covid-19 vaccine will need to be stored in freezer within 90 seconds, New York hospital official says

From CNN's Adrienne Vogt

Hospitals eagerly awaiting the coronavirus vaccine, which could be authorized soon, have been planning on how to administer it properly and safely.

Each coronavirus vaccine dose would need to be placed into sub-zero freezers within 90 seconds from the time they are unboxed, according to Dr. Susan Mashni, chief pharmacy officer for the Mount Sinai Health System.

“We need to count and make certain that everything in the box is received intact and then go ahead and get it into the freezer. So it's going to be a well-orchestrated event. I think there's going to be a little sweating going on outside of the freezer making certain we get everything in,” she said in a CNN interview.

Before anyone is vaccinated, it takes about three hours to defrost the vaccine to room temperature, she said.

Teams have been running practice drills to prepare for quickly storing them, Mashni said.

Once a vaccine is authorized, Mashni said Mount Sinai is ready to start administering it by Monday or Tuesday. They’ll be pulling in hundreds of people for extra staffing, including medical students and interns, she said.

by Anonymousreply 390December 11, 2020 6:22 PM

USA deaths are going to be horrible today. We are already at +2,985 deaths at 2:22 EST.

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by Anonymousreply 391December 11, 2020 6:23 PM

USA deaths are going to be horrible every day for the next three months.

by Anonymousreply 392December 11, 2020 6:25 PM

[quote]I have a trip to Europe in May. What happens if the airline requires me to have the vaccine but I wasn't considered high enough priority to have it by then? Probably not too likely, but still.

This ain't gonna be over by May.

by Anonymousreply 393December 11, 2020 6:58 PM

Jonathan Swan confirms WaPo reporting that Mark Meadows hinted to Food and Drug Administration commissioner Stephen Hahn on a phone call Friday that his job security might be in jeopardy as he pushed the FDA chief to approve Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine by the end of the day.

by Anonymousreply 394December 11, 2020 7:07 PM

Yes, they're horrible, R392. But where are you coming up with 2985? As I type this, the current # of today's US COVID deaths per that site is 1898.

by Anonymousreply 395December 11, 2020 7:10 PM

Sorry, R391 rather than R392.

by Anonymousreply 396December 11, 2020 7:15 PM

Mitch's Tears

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by Anonymousreply 397December 11, 2020 7:35 PM

More Katie...

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by Anonymousreply 398December 11, 2020 7:46 PM

R385, I hope you have health insurance and can I have all your stuff...when you get covid and die?

by Anonymousreply 399December 11, 2020 8:19 PM

Moderna just announced that the U.S. Government has exercised an option to purchase an additional 100 million doses of its vaccine for delivery in Q2 2021.

by Anonymousreply 400December 11, 2020 8:47 PM

Facebook workers not required to get COVID vaccine before office return

Facebook’s tens of thousands of employees will not be required to take the coronavirus vaccine before heading back to work in the social-media titan’s offices, a report said Thursday.

CEO Mark Zuckerberg made the announcement when asked during an all-hands meeting Thursday how the coming vaccine would affect the company’s day-to-day operations, The Daily Beast reported, citing an anonymous source familiar with the huddle.

Zuckerberg reportedly said that the company’s more than 50,000 employees would not be compelled to get the shot as a prerequisite for returning to its offices around the world.

In fact, he said, some Facebook workers have already returned to office life in countries where the coronavirus is on the decline.

Nevertheless, Zuckerberg touted the vaccine’s roll-out as a positive development, and encouraged his employees to keep up coronavirus best practices, including social distancing, the report said.

A federal government advisory panel voted Thursday to recommend the Food and Drug Administration’s approval of a vaccine developed by Pfizer, meaning the vaccine could be available within a matter of days.

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by Anonymousreply 401December 11, 2020 9:05 PM

R394, the worst thing about that is, if Hahn at the FDA wasn’t going to just gladly approve the vaccine without being pushed and threatened by Mark Meadows, why not? If everything was in order, he would have just done it without any threats.

The whole thing implies Hahn doesn’t want to do it because he has reservations, and he’s being forced against his will to do it whether it’s safe or not. Doesn’t make me want to take it. The stupid thing about this is even if it was safe, people are going to wonder now. It’s really obvious that Meadows is being pushed by Trump.

I don’t know why Trump thinks rushing the vaccine is going to help him. He lost the election. And what if they rush it out, and a bunch of people get sick? Then that’s the last thing Trump ever did. People are going to say, “poor little Mary Sue took the vaccine and died. If only I never gave it to her.” And that’s the end of people taking the vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 402December 11, 2020 9:06 PM

R395, They fixed it. whew! But still bad, just not as bad.

by Anonymousreply 403December 11, 2020 10:01 PM

[quote]I wish these edicts didn't seem quite so capricious.

Yes: "In the ninth month of the coronavirus pandemic, America’s public-health response makes as little sense as ever."

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by Anonymousreply 404December 11, 2020 10:09 PM

Why are safe, cheap and effective treatments for Covid not being given to people early on? Ivermectin, vitamin D, quercetin and zinc. All have shown very good results of clearing SARS-Cov2.

Rushed vaccines with no animal studies and new mRNA vaccine which has not proved to stop spread, prevent infection or mortality - only that it decrease severe symptoms by 30%. There is much safety data we just don’t know. And vaccine companies are immune from any consequence if their product harms people. Suddenly we have lost sense and reason thinking pharmaceutical companies are now some altruistic save a hoe?

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by Anonymousreply 405December 12, 2020 6:10 AM

R405, None of those compounds have been proved to be effective against COVID. I'm hopeful about vitamin D, but the data aren't there yet.

Did that "doctor" say that severe symptoms only decreased by 30%? He's wrong. Regardless, this was a hearing chaired by a Republican senator with a bone to pick. ("The government overreacted! Just take zinc!") You would be well advised to get your information from a source far away from this.

by Anonymousreply 406December 12, 2020 6:53 AM

Here's a compilation of everything that everyone knows about vitamin D and COVID. I've upped my doseage since winter started, and take zinc with it.

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by Anonymousreply 407December 12, 2020 11:24 AM

It's good to know your vitamin D levels, regardless. I live in SoCal and I have to take a supplement, even pre-covid. If you wear sunscreen, you aren't going to get it from natural light and my MD said a lot of people are naturally deficient. People don't bake in the sun like they used to, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 408December 12, 2020 1:44 PM

406, you are wrong.

Ivermectin decreases severity of Covid by 86%. Many trials around the world.

The vaccines only have to reduce symptoms by 30%. I will get the link for that. Here is info on ivermectin

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by Anonymousreply 409December 12, 2020 2:38 PM

Vitamin D has shown efficacy as well.

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by Anonymousreply 410December 12, 2020 2:54 PM

What I've seen in the past few days, and admittedly this is anecdotal, is a few people I've known a long time who are educated, liberal, and that I would figure have been cautious, have caught it. Prior to that, I had a big wave of friends who got it early on (March-April) but since then very few till now. Though I guess if these new cases are showing up now their initial infections likely happened at Thanksgiving.

I'm not sure that wearing a mask everywhere and sanitizing hands and surfaces does enough if you're still going about your daily life, particularly if that involves being indoors with a group (even if they have masks on and surfaces are cleaned). It seems like the isolation component really matters in preventing spread.

Even if you're taking precautions, you should still avoid people, and especially indoor groups.

by Anonymousreply 411December 12, 2020 3:28 PM

But what will it mean exactly when a vaccine is declared “effective”? To the public this seems fairly obvious. “The primary goal of a covid-19 vaccine is to keep people from getting very sick and dying,” a National Public Radio broadcast said bluntly.6

Peter Hotez, dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, said, “Ideally, you want an antiviral vaccine to do two things . . . first, reduce the likelihood you will get severely ill and go to the hospital, and two, prevent infection and therefore interrupt disease transmission.”7

Yet the current phase III trials are not actually set up to prove either (table 1). None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths. Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus.

“Our trial will not demonstrate prevention of transmission,” Zaks said, “because in order to do that you have to swab people twice a week for very long periods, and that becomes operationally untenable.”

Hospital admissions and deaths from covid-19 are simply too uncommon in the population being studied for an effective vaccine to demonstrate statistically significant differences in a trial of 30 000 people. The same is true of its ability to save lives or prevent transmission: the trials are not designed to find out.

Zaks said, “Would I like to know that this prevents mortality? Sure, because I believe it does. I just don’t think it’s feasible within the timeframe [of the trial]—too many would die waiting for the results before we ever knew that

**** “Very simply,” he replied. “Number one, we have a bad outcome as our endpoint. It’s covid-19 disease.” Moderna, like Pfizer and Janssen, has designed its study to detect a relative risk reduction of at least 30% in participants developing laboratory confirmed covid-19, consistent with FDA and international guidance*** ^^^ Vaccines only need to show a 30% reduction in symptoms Not preventing spread, Not preventing mortality, Not preventing getting sick.

I feel like people are forgetting history and what happens with rushed vaccines.

by Anonymousreply 412December 12, 2020 3:32 PM

^^^

From the BMJ

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by Anonymousreply 413December 12, 2020 3:36 PM

R412, the vaccine trials will continue. Some will be more effective than others, new ones will be developed. Bottom line is we have an insanely communicable, debilitating/deadly virus that has spread worldwide. Most of the world population -- including those in developed countries -- can't access the most effective treatments. So yeah, as long as a reasonably effective vaccine that will reduce the likelihood of the recipient getting severe symptoms isn't harmful, get it out there. As virtually all the virologists say, I'll take any of them at the first opportunity. And then I'll continue to wear a mask and social distance.

by Anonymousreply 414December 12, 2020 5:34 PM

R410's Vitamin D article is worth reading.

Punchline: it summarizes 39 studies, 30 of which were peer reviewed.

[quote]Over 100 scientists and doctors call for efforts to increase vitamin D levels. Recommendations include reaching[bold] 75 nmol/L serum levels[/bold], [bold]2000-4000IU daily supplementation [/bold](in the absence of testing), and measurement and treatment in hospitalized patients.

That's a significantly higher recommended blood level of Vit D than current standards. So yes, take those D3 supplements. But DON'T overdo it - Vit D toxicity is dangerous. Vitamin D is fat soluble, so it gets stored in your tissue, so will can take months to leave your system if you overdo it.

The recommended dosage during COVID is 2000-4000IU daily. You could also just take ~20,000IU once a week for the same effect, but don't slip up and take too many high-dosage tabs.

by Anonymousreply 415December 12, 2020 5:47 PM

Ivermectin is more effective than the vaccine... Id rather go with something, cheap effective and many years of evidence of safety. I am not a high risk group so vaccine won’t be something offered for me for a least a year is my guess.

Ivermectin could also be helpful for those with long Covid

by Anonymousreply 416December 12, 2020 5:48 PM

Ivermectin is more effective than the vaccine... Id rather go with something, cheap effective and many years of evidence of safety. I am not a high risk group so vaccine won’t be something offered for me for a least a year is my guess.

Ivermectin could also be helpful for those with long Covid

by Anonymousreply 417December 12, 2020 5:48 PM

New York City's coronavirus positivity rate rises to 7-day average of 6.26%, mayor says

From CNN's Laura Ly

New York City’s seven-day positivity rate has risen to 6.26%, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Saturday.

In comparison, city data shows that the city’s weekly average percent positivity for the last four weeks had been nearly two percentage points lower at 4.29%.

City data shows that every metric that New York City uses to monitor the spread Covid-19, including positivity rate, case rates, hospitalizations, and deaths, are all currently increasing.

On Friday, de Blasio said the city’s daily positivity rate was 5.35% and city officials hope to get the rate below 5%.

De Blasio said 2,575 new Covid-19 cases were reported on Saturday and 193 more people have been admitted into the city’s hospitals due to the virus.

“This weekend will be a pivotal moment in our fight. The vaccine is imminent. We need to keep our city safe in this last stretch,” de Blasio said.

Note: These numbers were released by New York City officials, and may not line up exactly in real time with CNN’s database drawn from Johns Hopkins University and the Covid Tracking Project.

by Anonymousreply 418December 12, 2020 5:54 PM

Americans still need to wear a mask and socially distance, even after getting vaccinated, CDC says

(From CNN Health’s Jamie Gumbrecht)

Because there’s limited information about how well the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine works in the general population, vaccinated people should continue to follow all the current guidelines about how to protect themselves and others, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Advisory Community on Immunization Practices was told during a meeting on Saturday.

That guidance includes wearing masks, staying 6 feet away from others, avoiding crowds and washing hands frequently.

The CDC’s Dr. Sarah Mbaeyi said information is currently limited on how much the vaccine may reduce disease severity or transmission, and how long protection lasts. Mbaeyi noted during the presentation that protection from the two-dose series of vaccine is not immediate, and no vaccine is 100% effective.

by Anonymousreply 419December 12, 2020 5:54 PM

I take a 5,000 IU Vitamin D3 pill about five times a week. I've been diagnosed with a Vitamin D deficiency and my doctor told me a long time ago I should be taking even more, but I don't feel comfortable doing so. I am not getting much sun these days so I feel better taking this.

And I'd like to say that I can't imagine people will go burn their masks and run naked through the streets once they are vaccinated, licking subway poles and catching sneeze germs on their tongues like snowflakes, but I know better.

by Anonymousreply 420December 12, 2020 8:43 PM

US surpasses 16 million Covid-19 cases

From CNN's Amanda Watts and Hollie Silverman

There have been at least 16,014,839 cases of coronavirus in the US and at least 297,501 people have died from Covid-19, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

It took the US 268 days to reach 8 million Covid-19 cases, according to university data.

It only took the nation 57 days to reach the second 8 million cases.

by Anonymousreply 421December 12, 2020 11:47 PM

California reports its most Covid-19 cases in a single day

From CNN’s Artemis Moshtaghian

California’s Covid-19 surge continues to break case count records, with increased hospitalizations, and intensive care unit admissions, according to new data released by the state’s public health department on Saturday.

The California Department of Public Health (CDPH) reported 35,729 new coronavirus cases on Saturday—breaking the record set on Friday of 35,468 new cases.

The number of new coronavirus cases across the state has sharply increased since the beginning of the week.

by Anonymousreply 422December 12, 2020 11:47 PM

New Jersey reports highest number of new Covid-19 cases since the start of the pandemic

From CNN’s Evan Simko-Bednarski

New Jersey reported 6,247 additional Covid-19 infections on Saturday, the highest single-day report of new infections since the pandemic began.

To date, New Jersey has recorded 396,496 cases of Covid-19, state data showed.

The data, reported by the New Jersey Department of Health, was posted on the state's Covid dashboard Saturday afternoon. The department also reported 71 deaths of confirmed Covid-19 positive individuals.

Note: These numbers were released by the New Jersey Department of Health and may not line up exactly in real time with CNN’s database drawn from Johns Hopkins University and the Covid Tracking Project.

by Anonymousreply 423December 12, 2020 11:47 PM

New York City's coronavirus positivity rate rises to 7-day average of 6.26%, mayor says

From CNN's Laura Ly

New York City’s seven-day positivity rate has risen to 6.26%, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Saturday.

In comparison, city data shows that the city’s weekly average percent positivity for the last four weeks had been nearly two percentage points lower at 4.29%.

City data shows that every metric that New York City uses to monitor the spread Covid-19, including positivity rate, case rates, hospitalizations, and deaths, are all currently increasing.

On Friday, de Blasio said the city’s daily positivity rate was 5.35% and city officials hope to get the rate below 5%.

De Blasio said 2,575 new Covid-19 cases were reported on Saturday and 193 more people have been admitted into the city’s hospitals due to the virus.

“This weekend will be a pivotal moment in our fight. The vaccine is imminent. We need to keep our city safe in this last stretch,” de Blasio said.

Note: These numbers were released by New York City officials, and may not line up exactly in real time with CNN’s database drawn from Johns Hopkins University and the Covid Tracking Project.

by Anonymousreply 424December 12, 2020 11:48 PM

CNN Breaking News @cnnbrk · 1h Germany will go into a "hard" national lockdown, starting next week and continuing through the Christmas period, German Chancellor Angela Merkel says

by Anonymousreply 425December 13, 2020 4:54 PM

[bold]No ICU beds left in Mississippi as COVID-19 case levels continue to hit record highs[/bold]

The surge of COVID-19 cases in Mississippi has left no intensive care unit beds available across the state and prompted the need for restrictions, State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs said Friday.

Dobbs said in a Tweet that beginning Tuesday, all elective procedures that require hospitalization must be delayed statewide. The Mississippi Department of Health is also anticipating many more hospitalizations as the increase in cases continues.

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by Anonymousreply 426December 13, 2020 5:33 PM

Covid-19 vaccine is being studied in children now, FDA chief says

From CNN's Naomi Thomas

Dr. Stephen Hahn, the commissioner of the US Food and Drug Administration Commissioner, said "studies are being planned or in progress now" regarding coronavirus vaccine for children younger than 16.

He declined to give a direct answer when asked when the vaccine might be available for children.

“As soon as possible, obviously with great speed,” Hahn said. “Sometimes there are gaps in information, and we have to fill those gaps in information after something like an emergency use authorization to get the answers to the questions that you’re asking.”

by Anonymousreply 427December 13, 2020 5:34 PM

First shipment of coronavirus vaccine has shipped, vials will reach all 50 states Monday

From CNN's Michael Callahan

The first freight trucks carrying approximately 184,275 vials of the vaccine have departed Pfizer on Sunday.

Trucks carrying a combined 189 boxes of vaccine vials are expected to arrive in all 50 states on Monday.

Another 3,900 vials are expected to ship later today to US territories.

On Monday, another 400 boxes packed with approximately 390-thousand vials will ship for arrival on Tuesday.

by Anonymousreply 428December 13, 2020 5:35 PM

Trusting the vaccine is one thing...but I am not so sure I can trust the handling of it...it needs to be so cold! How do I know the fridge didn't break down?or malfunction?

by Anonymousreply 429December 13, 2020 5:37 PM

They *do* do that, r429.

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by Anonymousreply 430December 13, 2020 5:41 PM

Germany to go into national lockdown over Christmas to stem rise of Covid-19 cases

Germany will go into a "hard" national lockdown starting next Wednesday, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said Sunday, after agreeing to stricter measures with state governments to stem a wave of coronavirus cases.

As of next Wednesday, all non-essential shops, services and schools will close until January 10, and Christmas Day gatherings will be reduced from 10 people to only five from two different households.

"The philosophy is to stay at home,” Merkel said in a press conference.

New measures to curb spread over festive season: Christmas church services will be subject to prior registration with no singing allowed. Alcohol is to be banned from all public spaces and an annual New Year's Eve fireworks display will be canceled. Some states are also implementing additional measures, such as Bavaria, which will have a 9 p.m. curfew.

German Finance Minister Olaf Scholz has pledged economic help for all businesses affected by the lockdown.

On Sunday, Germany recorded 20,200 new coronavirus infections -- 2,000 more than Sunday last week -- according to the Robert Koch Institute, the country's agency for disease control. The overall infection number stands at 1,320,716. The death toll rose by 321 to 21,787, data showed.

by Anonymousreply 431December 13, 2020 5:46 PM

Yikes re Germany. That’s going to be rough but at least there will be overall compliance.

by Anonymousreply 432December 13, 2020 5:49 PM

These containers used to ship fresh tuna. Now they'll deliver Covid-19 vaccines.

From CNN's Julia Horowitz

It's one of the biggest logistical challenges in modern history: How will millions of Covid-19 vaccine doses that must be kept at incredibly cold temperatures be quickly shipped across continents and oceans?

One company is using its experience with tuna as a guide.

Thermo King — which revolutionized the transportation of food through advances in temperature-controlled shipping before World War II — is working with pharmaceutical companies, governments and logistics firms to ensure vaccines are preserved as they travel to clinics and hospitals. To make this happen, they've reworked containers typically used to transport fresh tuna to Japan, which requires similar frigid conditions.

"We took that product and we amended it," Francesco Incalza, president Thermo King Europe, Middle East and Africa, told CNN Business.

Tuna must be stored at -60 degrees Celsius, or -76 degrees Fahrenheit, to maintain its quality and deep red hue when it reaches supermarkets and restaurants, Incalza said. The coronavirus vaccine developed by Pfizer (PFE) and BioNTech has to be stored at -70 degrees Celsius, or -94 degrees Fahrenheit, while in transit.

So Thermo King, which is part of Ireland-based Trane Technologies, made some tweaks, adding additional insulation and adjusting the refrigeration system so it could get even colder. Now, each 20-foot-long container can carry 300,000 doses of the Pfizer vaccine — the first to be approved for use by Western countries following rigorous testing — by land or sea. Some have already been sold and are making their way around the globe.

Incalza said this kind of innovation would normally take years to develop.

by Anonymousreply 433December 13, 2020 5:55 PM

What is happening in Germany?

by Anonymousreply 434December 13, 2020 9:32 PM

R434, as of Wednesday all non essential stores closed and worst of all no public alcohol consumption. And states like Bavaria are installing a 9 pm curfew. Germans are extremely social this time of year. This is gonna hurt big time.

by Anonymousreply 435December 13, 2020 9:42 PM

Also no New Year's fireworks, which are legal and popular in Germany, because the ICUs won't have space for anyone injured in a mis-fire.

by Anonymousreply 436December 13, 2020 11:15 PM

From what I've read about the allergy concerns, both the women who had reactions had bad enough allergies that they carried epi pens. If you just have bad seasonal allergies, it may not be an issue.

Talk to your doctor first. Also, the other vaccines in development may not have these issues, so maybe you will be able to get one of those.

by Anonymousreply 437December 14, 2020 2:13 AM

The people who sat by twiddling their thumbs while 300,000 Americans died from the coronavirus will be among the first to get the vaccine.

Breaking NYT: White House staff who work in close quarters with Trump have been told they are scheduled to receive injections of the coronavirus vaccine soon, at a time when the first doses are being distributed only to high-risk health care workers.

by Anonymousreply 438December 14, 2020 3:33 AM

Yeah, that sounds about right.

by Anonymousreply 439December 14, 2020 3:35 AM

Crede Bailey, the director of the White House security office, was the most severely ill among dozens of Covid-19 cases known to be connected to the White House. Bailey’s family has asked the White House not to publicize his condition, and President Donald Trump has never publicly acknowledged his illness.

Bailey has recovered from the virus but he has had his big toe on his left foot as well as his right foot and lower leg amputated. His family has started a GoFundMe account. (One might wonder why Trump doesn't foot the bill.)

Some websites say he is in his 60s, others that he was born in the 1960s.

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by Anonymousreply 440December 14, 2020 7:45 PM

[quote]One might wonder why Trump doesn't foot the bill.

Or one might realize that Trump doesn't pay for anything. Ever.

by Anonymousreply 441December 14, 2020 7:58 PM

New strain ripping through parts of the UK.

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by Anonymousreply 442December 14, 2020 8:50 PM

Netherlands PM announced very strict five week lockdown starting tomorrow. Even the red light district is shutting down.

by Anonymousreply 443December 14, 2020 9:27 PM

Trumpers think about gay sex more than I do:

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by Anonymousreply 444December 14, 2020 10:02 PM

R440, the real question is why Crede Bailey didn't receive the same super cocktail (Remdesivir, convalescent plasma, steroids) that the rest of Trumpworld got? Maybe Trump sees a security guy as one of the little people. NRPI, as they say on Succession (No Real People Involved)

by Anonymousreply 445December 14, 2020 10:21 PM

r445, remember this virus is capricious- no one knows why some people fare worse than others.

by Anonymousreply 446December 15, 2020 12:07 PM

South Korea reports nearly 900 new Covid-19 cases as government considers tightening restrictions

From CNN's Gawon Bae in Seoul and Akanksha Sharma in Hong Kong

South Korea recorded 880 new coronavirus cases on Monday, according to the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency (KDCA).

Of the new cases, 32 were imported. The country also recorded 13 additional virus-related deaths.

The new figures raise the country's total to 44,364 confirmed cases and 600 fatalities.

South Korean Prime Minister Chung Sye-kyun said the government was now weighing up whether to introduce the highest level of coronavirus restrictions.

“The government is listening to different opinions and carefully considering whether to raise the social distancing measures to level 3. We shouldn’t miss the timing, but we also cannot make a hasty decision," he said.

Alert levels in South Korea range from 1 -- the least concerning situation -- to 3, signifying the toughest measures necessary. Levels rise in increments of 0.5.

Currently, the country is at Level 2 national alert, but the greater Seoul area and the southeastern port city of Busan are at Level 2.5 -- the second-highest level.

If the government raises the alert to the highest level, that means a ban on gatherings of more than 10 people, work from home for all non-essential employees, and a shift to online for all schools and church services.

“Considering the gravity and impact of Level 3 measures, there is a need to calmly check on ourselves first -- if we’re abiding by the current measures properly," Chung said, adding that raising the alert to Level 3 would "come with irreversible pain."

by Anonymousreply 447December 15, 2020 12:45 PM

FDA releases data that confirms the effectiveness of the Moderna vaccine (WaPo, 12/15/20):

[quote] The coronavirus vaccine made by Moderna is highly protective for adults and prevents severe cases of Covid-19, according to data released on Tuesday by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

[quote] Based on the encouraging findings, the agency intends to grant emergency authorization for use of the vaccine on Friday, people familiar with the F.D.A.’s plans said. The decision would give millions of Americans access to a second coronavirus vaccine beginning as early as next week.

[quote] The review by the F.D.A. confirms Moderna’s earlier assessment that its vaccine had an efficacy rate of 94.1 percent in a trial of 30,000 people. Side effects, including fever, headache and fatigue, were unpleasant but not dangerous, the agency found.

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by Anonymousreply 449December 15, 2020 1:02 PM

Good news: more Americans are now willing to take the vaccine.

More than eight in 10 Americans say they would receive the vaccine, with 40% saying they would take it as soon as it's available to them and 44% saying they would wait a bit before getting it.

Only 15% said they would refuse the vaccine entirely a new Ipsos/ABC News survey.

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by Anonymousreply 450December 15, 2020 1:30 PM

R449 Put roadblocks around the place and let 'em die.

by Anonymousreply 451December 15, 2020 1:54 PM

If they had the vaccine available in my town, I'd shag ass down to Walgreens or wherever and take it right now. It would be the first step to getting my fucking life back.

by Anonymousreply 452December 15, 2020 4:40 PM

CNBC: New York City’s iconic Times Square New Year’s Eve celebration will roll forward amid the pandemic but is closed to the public, the co-producers of the event said in a release.

by Anonymousreply 453December 15, 2020 6:27 PM

Are you really gonna trust people who make min wage at Walgreens to handle the vaccine properly? I'd rather get it at my doctor's office or hospital.

by Anonymousreply 454December 15, 2020 7:06 PM

[quote]The coronavirus vaccine made by Moderna is highly protective for adults and prevents severe cases of Covid-19,

Wait, so this vaccine only prevents severe cases? So, we can still get sick from the virus but it won't kill us?

by Anonymousreply 455December 15, 2020 7:08 PM

R454, Walgreen's pharmacists are professionals and the pharmacies that are licensed to provide medical services are regulated. The vaccine shipments won't be handled by the guy stocking the aisles.

by Anonymousreply 456December 15, 2020 7:17 PM

Yes, R455.

Much like the flu vaccine, which doesn't confer immunity but makes it much less likely for the recipient to suffer severe flu symptoms.

by Anonymousreply 457December 15, 2020 7:42 PM

Yeah, I've had vaccines at Walgreens and CVS before. It's the pharmacist or nurse practitioner (if it's one with a doc-in-the-box) who gives shots.

by Anonymousreply 458December 15, 2020 7:51 PM

yes but this vaccine is different, it needs to stored in very, very cold temps.

by Anonymousreply 459December 15, 2020 7:56 PM

I won't take the vaccine, but I don't mind wearing a mask wherever I go.

by Anonymousreply 460December 15, 2020 7:59 PM

The Moderna vaccine doesn't require the extreme cold of the Pfizer vaccine, though they give comparable results. My guess is that places like Walgreens, CVS, and even your local GP will have the Moderna one.

by Anonymousreply 461December 15, 2020 8:02 PM

Yes I'm gonna wait for the moderna one. I am not high risk, so hopefully when it's my turn, the pandemic will be over. Yeah...one can dream....

by Anonymousreply 462December 15, 2020 8:31 PM

The Johnson & Johnson one should be available by February. It's single-dose and stable for 3 months at refrigerator temps, so will be an attractive proposition if it's as effective as the others (current data suggests it will be)

by Anonymousreply 463December 15, 2020 9:54 PM

There are 3 vaccines (not including the Russian and another vaccine I can't think of) - why are we putting all of our eggs into one basket with the Pfizer vaccine?

Are the other ones not available? Sorry if I haven't been keeping up.

by Anonymousreply 464December 16, 2020 1:46 AM

R464, they have to be approved by the FDA, and a second vaccine was, in fact, approved today.

by Anonymousreply 465December 16, 2020 1:59 AM

Thanks R465 - so we'll have our choices of vaccines potentially? Is that for logistics - one company can't supply billions of vacciness in a few months, so best to spread out among 3 productions?

by Anonymousreply 466December 16, 2020 2:04 AM

From the NYT: Immunizations promised by countries by income level by various vaccine companies.

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by Anonymousreply 467December 16, 2020 2:14 AM

Pfizer's vaccine will most likely become a transportation and storage nightmare as demand increases. As other competing companies roll out their vaccines, Pfizer's will probably disappear unless they introduce a new and improved version that doesn't require such extreme storage temperatures.

by Anonymousreply 468December 16, 2020 6:37 AM

Pfizer's vaccine will most likely become a transportation and storage nightmare as demand increases. As other competing companies roll out their vaccines, Pfizer's will probably disappear unless they introduce a new and improved version that doesn't require such extreme storage temperatures.

by Anonymousreply 469December 16, 2020 6:37 AM

Republican Mayor Joyce Warshaw of Dodge City, Kansas, announced Tuesday that she is resigning because of threats she has received after publicly supporting a mask mandate.

Warshaw told NBC News that "threats, accusations and actions" toward her and her family from members of her community forced her to step down.

(Is there no penalty for making death threats? There should be jail time, IMO, along with a very heavy financial penalty, to discourage this ridiculousness.)

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by Anonymousreply 470December 16, 2020 12:28 PM

R470 - but she will still always vote Republican. Don't really care about any Republican getting any pushback or hassle - it's just a small taste of what they throw at Dem politicians daily.

by Anonymousreply 471December 16, 2020 2:18 PM

Pompeo Invites Over 900 Guests To Holiday Party, But Many Skip | Morning Joe | MSNBC

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Fewer than 70 attended? Well...at least that would have made social distancing easier.

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by Anonymousreply 473December 16, 2020 8:16 PM

Pfizer working to get details of reported allergic reaction to vaccination in Alaska, company says

From CNN’s Jacqueline Howard and Maggie Fox

Pfizer is working to find out more about a report that a health worker in Alaska suffered an allergic reaction to its vaccine Wednesday.

“We don’t yet have all the details of the report from Alaska about a potential serious allergic reactions but are actively working with local health authorities to assess,” a Pfizer spokesperson told CNN.

“We will closely monitor all reports suggestive of serious allergic reactions following vaccination and update labeling language if needed,” she added. “The prescribing information has a clear warning/precaution that appropriate medical treatment and supervision should always be readily available in case of a rare anaphylactic event following the administration of the vaccine.”

When British health authorities rolled out the vaccine there earlier this month, at least two recipients had allergic reactions but they recovered quickly. The New York Times first reported that a health care worker in Alaska suffered a reaction.

“Participants in our Phase 3 trial were excluded if they had a history of severe adverse reaction associated with a vaccine and/or severe allergic reaction (e.g., anaphylaxis) to any component of the investigational vaccine,” the Pfizer spokesperson told CNN.

“Overall, there were no safety signals of concern identified in our clinical trials, including no signal of serious allergic reactions associated with vaccine. However, reports of adverse events outside of clinical studies are a very important component to our pharmacovigilance activities and we will review all available information on this case and all reports of adverse events following vaccination," she added.

by Anonymousreply 474December 16, 2020 8:17 PM

That's a bit concerning. Maybe they can do a skin-test to ensure you're not gonna be allergic to it.

by Anonymousreply 475December 16, 2020 8:23 PM

[quote]“Everyone wants to describe the day that the light switch flipped and the C.D.C. was sidelined. It didn’t happen that way,” Mr. McGowan said. “It was more of like a hand grasping something, and it slowly closes, closes, closes, closes until you realize that, middle of the summer, it has a complete grasp on everything at the C.D.C.”

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by Anonymousreply 476December 16, 2020 8:33 PM

"We want them infected": Trump appointee demanded ‘herd immunity’ strategy, emails reveal

Then-HHS science adviser Paul Alexander called for millions of Americans to be infected as means of fighting Covid-19.

“There is no other way, we need to establish herd, and it only comes about allowing the non-high risk groups to expose themselves to the virus. PERIOD," then-science adviser Paul Alexander wrote to his boss on July 4. "Infants, kids, teens, young people, young adults, middle aged with no conditions etc. have zero to little risk….so we use them to develop herd…we want them infected…"

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by Anonymousreply 477December 16, 2020 9:15 PM

Insanely, dangerously, willfully incompetent...

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by Anonymousreply 478December 17, 2020 12:14 AM

Musings on pandemic preparedness by Dr. Krammer.

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by Anonymousreply 479December 17, 2020 12:24 AM

Alexander is also tragically haircut-challenged.

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by Anonymousreply 480December 17, 2020 12:26 AM

243,571 cases and 3,449 deaths today.

California's cases were 58k - which is insanely high. I think the most from last week was 32,000 or so.

Looks like Thanksgiving spike is here.

by Anonymousreply 481December 17, 2020 12:28 AM

It just went up again R481! Now, it is +3,486 deaths and +246,976 new cases.

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by Anonymousreply 482December 17, 2020 12:42 AM

This is just mid-Dec - when will the US CV numbers plateau? They keep going up, up, up!

by Anonymousreply 483December 17, 2020 12:44 AM

R482 - fuck me. California now has 61,000 cases today. That is INSANE.

It makes criticisms of the governor's lockdown 8 days ago seem a bit weak now.

by Anonymousreply 484December 17, 2020 12:52 AM

R484, it can’t be temp/weather related because the weather in California pretty mild now. It was 72 degrees in LA today. WTF is going on?!

by Anonymousreply 485December 17, 2020 12:59 AM

What's going on is that large groups have been gathering in homes, and lots of families ignored guidelines and went ahead and had a normal Thanksgiving gathering. If 1 person at the dinner was contagious, boom a week or 2 later there are multiple new cases. Multiply that by a very large population in the state and here we are. Exactly where the health officials told us we would be if we ignored guidelines.

by Anonymousreply 486December 17, 2020 1:03 AM

R485 - they said they saw COVID spikes from both the NBA and the World Series celebrations in SoCal. I think that got COVID circulating again, then it passed more during Halloween and then Biden victory parties. Then Thanksgiving.

I would like to see the data of where it has spread by zip code in the past 60 days.

The cumulative 2020 data shows that it has spread the most in Latino communities and I would venture to think this is still the same issue. Latino families are still having their family parties and celebrations - much more than Black, White and Asian families.

I've posted this before under the fear of being called racist, but the numbers speak for themselves. Latinos have to take this fucking seriously and too many (not all, by any means) are not.

by Anonymousreply 487December 17, 2020 1:11 AM

I'm also skeptical of Texas and Florida's COVID numbers. California is 100% transparent and they've seen spikes, even with a huge amount of shutdowns for months and people wear facemasks everywhere.

Florida is basically open, have spotty mask-wearing, and they're not seeing much of a spread? It doesn't make sense.

Same with Texas.

by Anonymousreply 488December 17, 2020 1:29 AM

[quote]California is 100% transparent and they've seen spikes, even with a huge amount of shutdowns for months and people wear facemasks everywhere.

You should be as skeptical of the idea that “people wear facemasks everywhere” in CA as you are (rightfully so) about FL and TX’s numbers.

by Anonymousreply 489December 17, 2020 1:37 AM

As bad as things are in California, the state is still below the national average of total cases per 1 million population and well below the national average of deaths per 1 million.

by Anonymousreply 490December 17, 2020 2:04 AM

Texas had a near-record number of cases, and Florida will be a mess in a couple of weeks.

by Anonymousreply 491December 17, 2020 2:15 AM

R490 - yeah, it's still 39th lowest in case rates. But it may not be for long with these rates.

It pisses me off - California was doing so well for so long. Now we're at 99.5% ICU bed capacity in SoCal region. That will probably be 100% tomorrow morning. I just don't understand how we fucked it up so quickly.

R491 - why wouldn't Florida be a mess now?

How far after Thanksgiving did they predict an increase - wasn't it 5 to 14 days? We're past 2 weeks already.

by Anonymousreply 492December 17, 2020 2:17 AM

R492, the surges, for whatever reason, seem to be moving north to south (because of the diminishing sunlight?) Europe (much of it is north of the US) was hit first, then places like the Dakotas, then it moved on down. The most northern part of Florida is further south than the most southern part of California.

by Anonymousreply 493December 17, 2020 2:26 AM

Most of the Bay Area takes things seriously but San Mateo County operates on its own system where those who defy the state's orders are just ignored and allowed to carry on.

The #maskfree, #cowardfree hot-yoga studio below never shut down during the pandemic and it remains open to this day. The owner continues to gloat on Instagram and Facebook about how untouchable he is after multiple complaints to the health department and police yielded a single verbal warning, and that was only after it became the top story on the local news.

[quote]”I mean if it's a pandemic, wouldn't we be stacking bodies? Stacking bodies? You don't even hear about anyone dying. Only what you listen to on the news," Antoon said."It's a bunch of bullsh**. It's bullsh**."

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by Anonymousreply 494December 17, 2020 5:02 AM

How will the vaccines be administered? Will there be long longs of people in cars waiting to be vaccinated when it moves beyond medical workers and nursing home residents to the elderly and people with underlying conditions?

CEO Larry Merlo of CVS Pharmacy explains how they plan to do it and now it will differ from seasonal flu shots (from Today.com, 12/4/20):

[quote] People will have to make an appointment to receive a COVID-19 vaccine, unlike being able to just walk into a CVS and get a seasonal flu shot. President and CEO Larry Merlo described the process, as well as how the company will first get the vaccine to residents of long-term care facilities.

[quote] "What we're doing is, we're going to use our digital interface to make it simple, easy and seamless for our customers," Merlo told Sheinelle Jones. "They'll go to the CVS pharmacy app and they'll actually be able to schedule a COVID vaccine appointment."

[quote] Five of the six major vaccines, including ones by Pfizer and Moderna that are currently being reviewed for emergency use authorization, require a booster shot within 21 to 28 days, meaning people will have to make two trips. CVS Health plans on using prompts through its app and other means to ensure that people show up for both shots.

[quote] "Think of it like booking a round-trip travel ticket," Merlo said. "We'll prompt them as they schedule their first vaccine to also schedule that booster, and much like we do today with refill reminders, so that you stay current to your medications, we'll be providing an awful lot of friendly nudges so that you don't miss that first appointment and equally important that second appointment."

[quote] Merlo added that for those without access to the CVS Health app, there will be a 1-800 number where they can make appointments and get more information.

[quote] Having conducted more than 8 million COVID-19 tests during the pandemic and administered 20 million flu shots this year, CVS Health feels it has the infrastructure in place to handle giving millions of coronavirus vaccinations to the public.

[quote] "We have our logistics plan, we have our staffing plan, so we are ready to go," Merlo said.

by Anonymousreply 495December 17, 2020 5:10 AM

Of course DeSantis is manipulating the numbers, R492. See R318 and R322. The link give an overview of excess deaths per state to compare to number of COVID deaths reported, presuming we can rely on the CDC.

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by Anonymousreply 496December 17, 2020 5:33 AM

A couple months after my final chemo treatment, I developed an odd allergic reaction that manifested itself in hives and swelling. One morning I woke up with terrible hives all over my torso. A few days later I got up for work and noticed my lower lip looked a little swollen. By the time I got to the office, it was twice its size. As the morning progressed, both lips blew up and I finally went to urgent care.

My immune system had come roaring back and was in total overdrive. I wound up having to get a monthly set of shots of a drug called Xolair. I would go to my allergist's office on a Saturday, get two injections in the back of my upper arms (and much like the Pfizer vaccine, this medication was stored in very cold temps and had to be removed and thawed, so they would call me an hour before my appt to make certain I was coming, and not to be late).

After the injections, I had to sit in the waiting room for about 60-90 minutes to make sure I didn't have an allergic reaction to the injections. Every single time, not just the first couple times. After a year, I was cleared from having to continue the injections.

The reason I'm mentioning this is because I would want to be able to do the same sort of thing after getting the COVID vaccine, but the idea of sitting in a waiting room with a bunch of other people for however long to make sure I didn't have an adverse reaction does not thrill me.

by Anonymousreply 497December 17, 2020 7:34 AM

My small town of Porsgrunn has a mandatory mask order now, thanks to a huge increase in the number of cases these last few weeks.

by Anonymousreply 498December 17, 2020 8:53 AM

My small town of Porsgrunn has a mandatory mask order now, thanks to a huge increase in the number of cases these last few weeks.

by Anonymousreply 499December 17, 2020 8:53 AM

My small town of Porsgrunn has a mandatory mask order now, thanks to a huge increase in the number of cases these last few weeks.

by Anonymousreply 500December 17, 2020 8:53 AM

Gee, I wonder if the small town of Porsgrunn is going to employ a mandatory mask order. I heard somewhere that there was a huge increase in cases this week, but I can't remember where.

by Anonymousreply 501December 17, 2020 8:56 AM

R497, the other day on CNN they were reporting from a future vaccine drive-through that was doing a dry run. People drove up, got the shot, then pulled over into a parking lot where they had to wait for a certain period of time. There were ambulances and medical personnel stationed there and if anyone were to have a reaction they'd honk three times to get help.

by Anonymousreply 502December 17, 2020 9:12 AM

R497, if you do get the vaccine, bring a mirror with you and keep checking your face to make sure it’s not swelling up for about 24 hours. Sometimes it takes a while before a reaction happens or gets worse.

by Anonymousreply 503December 17, 2020 11:24 AM

European leaders quarantine after French President tests positive for coronavirus

From Pierre Bairin, Saska Vandoorne, Mia Alberti and James Frater

Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez is going into quarantine until December 24 after French President Emmanuel Macron tested positive for coronavirus Thursday, Spain's foreign ministry told CNN.

The two men had lunch on Monday.

"After hearing the information given by the Elysee Palace that ... Macron tested positive for Covid-19, the head of the government, Pedro Sanchez will suspend all his activities programmed for the next few days, according to health guidelines," a ministry spokeswoman said.

French Prime Minister Jean Castex also said he was planning to quarantine for seven days.

European Council President Charles Michel is going into quarantine “as a precaution,” the Council's spokesperson Barend Leyts said.

Michel attended a lunch on Monday with Macron but “was informed by the French authorities that he is not considered to be a close contact,” Leyts said.

Michel “is tested regularly and tested negative on Tuesday,” the spokesperson added.

Portuguese Prime Minister Antonio Costa is going into quarantine and canceling events that require his presence after meeting Macron on Wednesday, a statement from his office said.

Costa took a pre-scheduled Covid-19 test on Thursday and is awaiting results. He is showing no symptoms and is continuing to perform his duties virtually, the statement added.

French first lady Brigitte Macron is protectively going into quarantine but has “presented no symptoms” and tested negative for Covid-19 on Tuesday, her office said in a statement sent to French media.

Other European leaders have taken to social media to pass on their good wishes.

"I wish you a quick recovery. I am wholeheartedly with you," said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen on Twitter. "This pandemic, we are going to defeat it together. We will continue to work hand in hand to immunize and protect our citizens."

by Anonymousreply 504December 17, 2020 2:12 PM

Second health care worker in Alaska hospital system had a reaction after getting Covid-19 shot

From CNN Health's Nadia Kounang

A second Alaska health care worker has suffered an allergic reaction after receiving the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine.

Although there have been no widespread reports of adverse reactions nationwide, this marks the second in the same hospital system. It is unclear if there is any other connection between the two incidents.

According to a statement from Bartlett Regional Hospital in Juneau: “A second staff member experienced eye puffiness, light headedness, and scratchy throat 10 minutes after being injected with the vaccine.” The hospital added that the reaction “was not considered anaphylaxis.”

The statement added that the worker was taken to the emergency room and given epinephrine, Pepcid and Benadryl. “He felt completely back to normal within an hour and was released," it said.

The hospital system previously reported a reaction in a female health care worker who “showed signs of an anaphylactic reaction, with increased heartbeat, shortness of breath and skin rash and redness,” about 10 minutes after receiving the vaccine. She had no known history of having any allergic reactions to vaccines, according to the hospital.

She was given epinephrine and Benadryl, and remained in the hospital overnight for observation, said Dr. Lindy Jones, Bartlett’s Emergency Department Medical Director.

Both incidents were reported to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and state health authorities.

by Anonymousreply 505December 17, 2020 2:13 PM

Heard a story on NPR about how it's ripping through the itinerant agricultural workers in CA- 13% of that specific group (around 800,000) has contracted the virus, as opposed to the 5% ish for the rest of the state.

by Anonymousreply 506December 17, 2020 2:22 PM

Sir Ian is safe! I can breathe easy now.

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by Anonymousreply 507December 17, 2020 3:03 PM

Now you have *me* wondering, r501... and r498...and r499 ...and r500.

by Anonymousreply 508December 17, 2020 3:07 PM

Does it seem like Alaska is being a big ol' drama queen about all of this? The second guy was 'cured' with Benadryl and Pepcid within an hour?

Is this the only state giving vaccines? Nobody else in other states have shown any responses?

by Anonymousreply 509December 17, 2020 3:23 PM

I wonder if the Alaskan HCWs are of indigenous descent? Maybe some types of people are more prone to have a reaction?

by Anonymousreply 510December 17, 2020 3:53 PM

Moderna says two allergic reactions during trials were not related to the vaccine

From CNN's Jen Christensen

Dr. David Martin, the vice president of pharmacovigilance at Moderna, said the company will continue to monitor for allergic events, but hasn’t seen any reactions related to the Covid-19 vaccine during its late-stage clinical trial.

During the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee (VRBPAC) meeting Thursday, Martin said there were two anaphylaxis reactions among the volunteers in Moderna’s late-stage trial, but the company does not think its vaccine-related.

"We have actively scrutinized our safety data to identify and analyze possible cases of anaphylaxis. We found no cases suggestive of anaphylaxis to mRNA 1273," Martin said.

One severe allergic reaction was in the placebo group and one was in the group that got the vaccine.

The allergic reaction in the placebo group happened 10 days after the volunteer got their first dose of the placebo. Doctors believed the allergic reaction was a reaction to a dye used in the placebo.

The person in the vaccine group had a severe allergic reaction 63 days after they got the second dose of the vaccine. This person has a history of asthma and is allergic to shellfish.

by Anonymousreply 511December 17, 2020 6:36 PM

Oliver Stone says he took Russia’s COVID-19 vaccine

He’s taking a shot at COVID-19 immunity.

Oscar-winning director Oliver Stone got a coronavirus vaccine in Russia — even though he is more than a decade older than the recommended maximum age for that shot — and says he’s baffled that it’s been met with so much skepticism.

The “Platoon” and “JFK” director said he’s now due for a booster shot and called the Russian dose “a very good vaccine” — although, at 74, the rushed-to-market inoculation could be a risky proposition.

“I’ve heard good things about the Russian vaccine,” he told the Associated Press. “I have to get a second shot in 45 days.”

“But I’m hopeful,” he said. “It’s a very good vaccine. I don’t understand why it’s being ignored in the West.”

Stone also called it “madness” that the U.S. doesn’t trust the Russian vaccine.

“America, somehow in its madness, believes that China and Russia are enemies. I don’t,” he said.

“I see Russia and China as great partners,” he added, “Russia’s been one of the most advanced countries, if not the most advanced country.”

Stone is in the country filming a documentary about climate change.

About 320,000 doses of the Russian vaccine, dubbed Sputnik V, have been distributed, according to a report by the Moscow Times.

However, Russian officials are not widely administering it to people over 60 amid concerns that it could be harmful to older people, Newsweek said.

And although Russian strongman Vladimir Putin hailed the vaccine as 90 percent effective, the 68-year-old leader also said he wouldn’t be taking it.

Stone’s testimonial for the concoction comes as coronavirus vaccines manufactured by Pfizer and BioNTech have started to be distributed in the US this week, with front line health care workers getting first dibs.

Meanwhile, another vaccine by Moderna was deemed to be 94 percent effective and could get the green light from the Food and Drug Administration as early as this week.

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by Anonymousreply 512December 17, 2020 6:39 PM

The population of Russia is 145,934,462 people.

They have distributed 320,000 doses of their vaccine.

And yet, Oliver Stone got one of those doses. Even though it is not recommended for someone of his age.

I'm sure the people of Russia are thrilled that Oliver Fucking Stone jumped to the head of the line.

by Anonymousreply 513December 17, 2020 6:44 PM

I've been reading about the mutations to the viral spike. I fear this is going to be with us for decades, and we're not going back to normal.

by Anonymousreply 514December 17, 2020 6:51 PM

Stone looks like a taxidermy experiment gone wrong.

by Anonymousreply 515December 17, 2020 6:56 PM

[quote] [R497], the other day on CNN they were reporting from a future vaccine drive-through that was doing a dry run. People drove up, got the shot, then pulled over into a parking lot where they had to wait for a certain period of time. There were ambulances and medical personnel stationed there and if anyone were to have a reaction they'd honk three times to get help.

Oh that's terrific. Thanks for posting this. That would make me feel better about taking the vaccine. (Not that I wasn't going to as soon as I possibly can, but I was worried about having a reaction since my immune system is so wonky.)

by Anonymousreply 516December 17, 2020 7:29 PM

R514 Corona's theme song.

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by Anonymousreply 517December 17, 2020 7:44 PM

If Russia wanted us to consider it open, factual, and honest, then it should have done a whole lot of things differently.

by Anonymousreply 518December 17, 2020 9:07 PM

ICU availability in SoCal is now at 0%

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by Anonymousreply 519December 17, 2020 9:48 PM

WA Gov Jay Inslee:

@CDCgov has informed us that WA’s vaccine allocation will be cut by 40 percent next week — and that all states are seeing similar cuts.

This is disruptive and frustrating. We need accurate, predictable numbers to plan and ensure on-the-ground success.

No explanation was given.

by Anonymousreply 520December 17, 2020 11:05 PM

R520, when I first read about this I thought, it’s just incompetence. Then I thought, they’re SELLING the vaccine. Nothing is beyond these people.

by Anonymousreply 521December 17, 2020 11:11 PM

I tend to think it is indeed Trump admin incompetence, R521, as Pfizer said today it is "not having any production issues with our COVID-19 vaccine, and no shipments containing the vaccine are on hold or delayed."

"We have millions more doses sitting in our warehouse but, as of now, we have not received any shipment instructions for additional doses."

by Anonymousreply 522December 17, 2020 11:19 PM

Incompetence or intentional interference? The orders were placed, the state health departments were given shipment numbers, allocations to hospitals were calculated. Now the shipments are 30-40% lower than promised, even though the Pfizer has the supplies and their executives are baffled.

It's intentional, we just have to learn Trump's angle.

by Anonymousreply 523December 18, 2020 1:21 AM

Should the next thread title be vaccine-themed or Christmas-themed?

by Anonymousreply 524December 18, 2020 1:23 AM

Both, Sylvia, both!

by Anonymousreply 525December 18, 2020 1:24 AM

Trump's angle is to leave as big a pile of shit as possible for the next administration. He doesn't care if that kills a lot of people--he's never cared about COVID death rates.

by Anonymousreply 526December 18, 2020 2:16 AM

Oliver Stone has become a national embarrassment. Russia and China are great partners? Where the fuck does he come up with this shit?

He's so full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 527December 18, 2020 2:18 AM

We knew trump would take revenge on American's on his way out, r526.

by Anonymousreply 528December 18, 2020 2:19 AM

From Herd Immunity to Criminal Liability for Trump & Pence for Avoidable Coronavirus Deaths

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by Anonymousreply 529December 18, 2020 2:23 AM

I'll have to search for it, but I remember reading that only half of Pfizer's doses have been shipped to guarantee that the second doses will be available for those who get the initial shots, and those doses will be shipped near when #2 is due.

That might explain the doses in the warehouse. No idea who is coordinating this.

by Anonymousreply 530December 18, 2020 3:10 AM

How about "We Need a Little Pfizer, Right This Very Minute" for the new title thread?

by Anonymousreply 531December 18, 2020 4:46 AM

R531 That's more clever than "Baby, It's COVID Outside," which is what I'd come up with.

by Anonymousreply 532December 18, 2020 10:34 AM

In the last week alone, nearly 1 out of every 200 Americans was diagnosed with the coronavirus — an astronomically large portion of the population to be sick at the same time.

This will translate into large numbers of hospitalizations — and eventually deaths — in the coming weeks. It also means the rest of us have a decent chance of interacting with someone who is infected, anywhere we go.

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by Anonymousreply 533December 18, 2020 11:27 AM

California's ICU bed availability is at zero. People are pleading for a serious 4 week lockdown.

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by Anonymousreply 534December 18, 2020 2:00 PM

[quote] [R531] That's more clever than "Baby, It's COVID Outside," which is what I'd come up with.

That's not bad, either. : )

by Anonymousreply 535December 18, 2020 4:05 PM

My choice would be “Fauci Baby”

by Anonymousreply 536December 18, 2020 6:38 PM

My choice would be [italic] All I Want For Christmas is my Friggin Stimulus Check

by Anonymousreply 537December 18, 2020 10:33 PM

I quite like, "Baby it's COVID Outside".

by Anonymousreply 538December 18, 2020 11:40 PM

Ave Moderna,

Gratia Pfizer

by Anonymousreply 539December 19, 2020 12:16 AM

I believe most people are catching it at WORK believe it or not. Some households do live with older generations, so that is a death wish.

The fact is, latinos hold the most 'essential work' - those nursing homes, grocery stores, farm labor, meat packing... thus they catch it at work then bring it home sadly.

THAT is why corporations are gunning for 'covid' protection in this covid bill - and holding up our funds! They would be liable for millllllionsss given they did not distance people adequately and let Covid spread among their workers. That's the truth.

by Anonymousreply 540December 19, 2020 12:21 AM

Trump is deliberately withholding vaccines because he's insane. His feelings are hurt so he wants to cause as much suffering as possible so he'll feel less alone. Also he's a fucking sadist.

by Anonymousreply 541December 19, 2020 12:30 AM

Please God, don't take Manu before his time.

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by Anonymousreply 542December 19, 2020 12:44 AM

R540 - please prove this 'fact' that Latinos are working in the most essential worker roles and that they're getting it at work. You just fabricated that.

The reality is - there are many Latino households with teenagers and young adults living at home. But so do black households and white households and Asian households.

The difference is something else.

by Anonymousreply 543December 19, 2020 12:58 AM

Olie should join Geraldo in the dust heap of 70's deluded narcissists.

by Anonymousreply 544December 19, 2020 1:04 AM

[quote]Hello, I am a letter carrier in Boise, Idaho. I am potentially (and voluntarily) being sent to Los Angeles to carry mail for 7 - 21 days, perhaps longer, because mail volumes are astronomical, and letter carriers are out sick.

[quote]Highly unorthodox.

[quote]PLEASE WEAR A MASK.

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by Anonymousreply 545December 19, 2020 1:40 AM

106,000 new COVID cases in the past two days in California. They are way out of control and need to shut everything down.

by Anonymousreply 546December 19, 2020 1:46 AM

R546 - not so fast - a judge in San Diego county ruled yesterday that strip clubs can open - and then extended it to outdoor dining.

Hoes before Phos!

by Anonymousreply 547December 19, 2020 2:25 AM

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by Anonymousreply 548December 19, 2020 5:18 AM

The CDC is collecting information to decide whether further public health action is appropriate, an agency spokesman said in a text message.

'To protect the privacy of the individual, we aren't providing this information to the public,' the CDC spokesman told AP.

All four flight attendants were quarantined for two weeks once they arrived at Los Angeles, 'per written guidelines,' said Taylor Garland, spokeswoman for Association of Flight Attendants.

'Our union continues to provide support to the crew,' Garland said.

'We urge passengers to comply with airline COVID policies and stay home if you´re sick.'

The man was taken to a hospital in New Orleans where he was pronounced dead, according to the airline.

Hobart said United originally was told that he died from heart trouble, so passengers were allowed to stay on the plane and complete the flight to Los Angeles or take a later flight.

The airline said all passengers stayed on the plane.

by Anonymousreply 549December 19, 2020 5:18 AM

Jesus. That's a nightmare. What an asshole.

by Anonymousreply 550December 19, 2020 5:28 AM

The president of Brazil and Trump soul-mate, Jair Bolsonaro, will NOT be getting a vaccine and is warning his citizens about possible side effects: you could turn into a crocodile, or worse, an effeminate man. (No, this isn't a joke.)

[quote] Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro has launched an attack on coronavirus vaccines, even suggesting that the one developed by Pfizer-BioNTech could turn people into crocodiles or bearded ladies.

[quote] "In the Pfizer contract it's very clear: 'we're not responsible for any side effects.' If you turn into a crocodile, it's your problem," Bolsonaro said on Thursday.

[quote] "If you become superhuman, if a woman starts to grow a beard or if a man starts to speak with an effeminate voice, they will not have anything to do with it," he said, referring to the drug manufacturers.

[quote] Bolsonaro said that once a vaccine has been certified by Brazil's regulatory agency Anvisa, "it will be available for everyone that wants it. But me, I won't get vaccinated."

[quote] "Some people say I'm giving a bad example. But to the imbeciles, to the idiots that say this, I tell them I've already caught the virus, I have the antibodies, so why get vaccinated?"

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by Anonymousreply 551December 19, 2020 5:30 AM

[quote]The flight took off from Orlando

Pretty much sums it up.

by Anonymousreply 552December 19, 2020 9:14 AM

"Mouth to mouth"???!!!! Man, that's fucking dedication to your job.

by Anonymousreply 553December 19, 2020 1:27 PM

I can't decide who's worse - Dump or Bolsonaro. They're both cunts who have essentially ignored the pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 554December 19, 2020 1:54 PM

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by Anonymousreply 555December 19, 2020 6:50 PM

No thank you, r555...

by Anonymousreply 556December 19, 2020 7:28 PM

Oh great...now there’s a NEW STRAIN in the UK that’s even MORE CONTAGIOUS than the current (already highly contagious) one.

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by Anonymousreply 557December 19, 2020 8:21 PM

Boris Johnson imposed a full lockdown on London and southeast England in a desperate attempt to stop a new coronavirus strain spreading rapidly over the U.K.

After emergency talks on the virus mutation with his top officials, the prime minister canceled his plan to ease pandemic rules for five days during the holiday. Household mixing will be banned in London and the south-east and socializing restricted to just Christmas Day across the rest of England. Residents across the country were told to stay in their local areas.

The premier announced a new top tier of pandemic curbs will be brought in for the hot-spot regions around the capital from Sunday, with all non-essential shops closing and millions of people ordered to stay at home.

by Anonymousreply 558December 19, 2020 8:24 PM

The new strain in the UK is 70% more infectious. Jesus. Herd immunity, everybody!

by Anonymousreply 559December 19, 2020 9:30 PM

Illinois hospital pauses Covid-19 vaccination after 4 workers experience reactions

From CNN's Gisela Crespo and Fenly Foxen

A hospital in a suburb of Chicago has temporarily stopped its Covid-19 vaccination program for frontline personnel after four workers experienced reactions.

Advocate Aurora Health said in a statement obtained by CNN affiliate WLS that as of Friday, four workers at Advocate Condell Medical Center, in Libertyville, Illinois, have experienced tingling and elevated heartrate symptoms shortly after receiving the vaccine.

"At this time, we can share three team members are home and doing well, and one is receiving additional treatment," Advocate Aurora Health said in the statement.

The health care company noted these four workers represent "fewer than 0.15% of the approximately 3,000 who have so far received vaccinations across Advocate Aurora Health."

The company said the pause "will allow us time to better understand what may have caused these reactions," adding vaccination will continue in eight other locations across Illinois and Wisconsin.

by Anonymousreply 560December 19, 2020 9:50 PM

Jesus R555! That's confronting.

by Anonymousreply 561December 19, 2020 10:03 PM

Meanwhile, in Pennsyltucky.

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by Anonymousreply 562December 19, 2020 10:44 PM

R555 That should be shown to everyone who refuses to wear a mask.

by Anonymousreply 563December 19, 2020 10:50 PM

Dutch government announced that no flights from the UK will be allowed into the Netherlands as of tomorrow due to some of the mutant virus cases already turning up there.. What about the Eurostar route between London and Amsterdam?

by Anonymousreply 564December 20, 2020 12:15 AM

How does this new strain affect the efficacy of the vaccine?

by Anonymousreply 565December 20, 2020 12:26 AM

R565, it apparently doesn’t.

by Anonymousreply 566December 20, 2020 1:06 AM

How do they know that it is more contagious? What tests or conditions do they look at to come to that conclusion?

I'm skeptical - but I'm no scientist. Does anyone know how they can tell this strain is more contagious?

by Anonymousreply 567December 20, 2020 1:43 AM

R567 I wondered the same thing. Unless they looked at it and it has more spike proteins or something along those lines.

by Anonymousreply 568December 20, 2020 1:48 AM

It's just more social with a vivacious personality.

by Anonymousreply 569December 20, 2020 1:56 AM

Looks like Augustus Gloop.

by Anonymousreply 570December 20, 2020 2:57 AM

Here's some info on the evolution of the virus and various strains circulating.

[quote]...the changes so far have not resulted in strains that would likely be resistant to vaccines in development. In fact, one study by a group of scientists from several institutions including the University of Sheffield and Harvard University found that G strains might present an easier target for a vaccine because these strains have more spike proteins on their surface, which are the target of vaccine-induced antibodies.

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by Anonymousreply 571December 20, 2020 5:26 AM

An EMT who was on the Orlando to LA flight said that he volunteered to do chest compressions on the victim, so that it could be done in rotation. He said that no mouth-to-mouth took place. The Covid guy used an oxygen mask and then oxygen from the medical kit on board. He said that the ambulance arrived 45 minutes after the emergency call. The chest compressions lasted for an hour.

The husband (dead guy) and his wife committed crimes by getting on that plane when they knew he had Covid-19 symptoms and lied about it.

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by Anonymousreply 572December 20, 2020 11:52 AM

From something I saw on social media, the family of the guy who died on the Orlando flight were likely coming from Disney World, so congratulations for exposing their underpaid workers.

by Anonymousreply 573December 20, 2020 11:54 AM

[quote]The husband (dead guy) and his wife committed crimes by getting on that plane when they knew he had Covid-19 symptoms and lied about it.

There are supposed to be around 85 million Americans flying to reunite wit family this Christmas. I wonder how many of them are going to lie about having it too? Absolutely nobody needed to fly anywhere to reunite with family this Christmas. That's 85 million appallingly selfish people and a lot of them will probably kill their parents and grandparents.

by Anonymousreply 574December 20, 2020 11:57 AM

And this is why this shit will not be doing away!

by Anonymousreply 575December 20, 2020 11:58 AM

And so is this.

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by Anonymousreply 576December 20, 2020 12:26 PM

Devastated about not going to fucking Disney, but NOT devastated about having COVID.

This is what peak capitalism does to people.

by Anonymousreply 577December 20, 2020 12:29 PM

I know R577! It's just so upside down I can't cope.

And the "travel planner" says everyone will be fine to go when they discover they all have COVID by the 26th and go and infect hundreds of people on the plane and at Disneyland...

by Anonymousreply 578December 20, 2020 12:36 PM

Ho Ho Ho, Mo-fos.

Next thread.

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by Anonymousreply 579December 20, 2020 12:37 PM

I hate that Disney is open, but I think they've been about as good as they can about mask wearing and distancing. They kick out the anti-maskers.

I hope they find out about this family and ban them if they do end up going.

by Anonymousreply 580December 20, 2020 12:41 PM

Also, Judy's original version of "Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas" is kind of the perfect anthem for COVID Christmas.

by Anonymousreply 581December 20, 2020 12:42 PM

DL Fave Anderson Cooper's hour long show on the 1918 pandemic (boradcast last night) was totally horrifying stuff.

Woodrow Wilson never even uttered the words "influenze epidemic" while he was alive. Like now, states, cities, and counties had to cope with it--there was no federal effort to respond.

by Anonymousreply 582December 20, 2020 12:54 PM

Bajour!

by Anonymousreply 583December 20, 2020 4:07 PM

A malignant flight to Disney World is pretty much where 2020 landed.

by Anonymousreply 584December 20, 2020 6:32 PM

So Debbie Birx (same one who has been urging everyone to STAY HOME and isolate!) travelled to one of her vacation homes to celebrate the holidays with her hubby, daughter, son-in-law and their two kids.

Merry Christmas, suckers!

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by Anonymousreply 585December 20, 2020 8:47 PM

Germany readying vaccination centers. This one's in Frankfurt.

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by Anonymousreply 586December 21, 2020 10:15 AM

Wow, the ceiling is gorgeous r586.

by Anonymousreply 587December 21, 2020 12:46 PM

[quote]Wow, the ceiling is gorgeous

I would insist on laying down to receive my vaccine.

by Anonymousreply 588December 21, 2020 1:06 PM

Is there a new thread? Nothing here for a full week.

by Anonymousreply 589December 29, 2020 5:07 AM

Current thread:

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