WHET Barbara Ryan?

Ten years ago today - hard to believe ATWT has been off the air for ten years.

Was Fashions a set that was still in use at the end of shows run? It lasted a long time if that’s the case, since Barbara and Lisa opened the store in 1981 or so.

I don't think so, R2. I think it wasn't referred to much in the Hogan Sheffer years either.

I liked when Johnny Dixon referred to Barbara's clothing line as "Simply Barracuda"

That ole Johnny D!

Most of her best and most hilarious scenes have been removed from YouTube. It's too bad because they were priceless.

Poor CZP has 2 dui’s to her credit. Is she even allowed to drive anymore??

R7 you are not welcome here, or in any of the threads. Take your nonsense to whatever other place puts up with your fuckery and bullshit.

R8 can’t handle FACTS? It’s not even gossip. Its a fact that CZP has been arrested TWICE for DUI. Twice!

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And anyway, Colleen Zenk has had enough sorrow over the last decade that if she wanted to swim in a pool of vodka, I'd give her the pool noodles and the bikini to do it.

R2 Yes, technically, Fashions was still around nearly right up to end. .. In May 2010, TPTB did that "50 Years of Lisa" anniversary special, and in the opening scene, we saw Tom bring Lisa a coffee at Fashions where she was working. Lisa thanked Tom, but warned him not to spill it on the merchandise. After some more banter, she asked her son, if he knew what tomorrow was, and when he feigned he didn't, she told him it was the 50th anniversary of her arrival in Oakdale. (Bob and Tom were actually planning some kind of party for her.) .. Later, she was seen helping a young man buy a cocktail dress for his wife. He worried that it had to be perfect, explaining they'd had a rough start in their new marriage; leading Lisa to remember a conversation between her and Young Bob.

Is r7 Spicen or the 2015 Bump Bitch? (I already had him blocked.)

Excited to see the scorching hot Melanie Smith and Andrew Kavovit next week on the Locher Room!

It's tomorrow, r15, at 2:00 eastern.

R14 I don't know, but whoever it is, they aren't getting the message that we are profoundly uninterested in SON style gossip here.

Julie Andrews daughter (Emma Walton Hamilton) played Barbara's cellmate on "As The World Turns"

I think GL could have been saved at the end. It was actually good for the last 9 months. Could ATWT been saved?

They should have both gone to 30 minutes in 2005. They might still be alive.

I'd love to see some images of Fashions. I thought the retail operations of Oakdale moved to the riverfront. No?

Oh, so confused! I thought you were discussing moi!

What? Not talking about my beautiful brain?

R11 you remind of Nola in the country club powder room with Vanessa on GL: “No you take your dress off!”’

R24 Fabulous! I will take that as a compliment.

I'll be Nola and that trashy poster will be.....well, let's call her Morgan. How I hate that name!

R20 Why didn’t they?

This frau has moved her character edits and other blocked videos to Patreon due to the ongoing 'issues' with youtube. Yeah, you cheapskates will have to pay .. lol!

Vee from SON would never fit into the clothes at Fashions and dumb dumb Dylan wouldnt know how to work the front door

Shit that’s Pam Dawber

And that pervert grampa Soapsuds from SON is jerking his mini meat to Kavovit.

Will Carl/Drw50/eeyore be at the live chat moping about political polls and the news media?

When will Eileen Fulton appear on The Locher Room?!?

R32 when donkeys fly

SON certainly has its share of losers and assholes like Vee, who’s in the industry, ya know. LOL

R31 Lol.

I'm lost. Can we get back to P&G stories, characters, etc discussions.

I want a Locher Room with Colleen Zenk, Kathy Hays, Eileen Fulton, and Marie Masters. Colleen can drink a lot beforehand so it makes Kathy and Eileen look better

Please FF and block the poster(s) contributing other bullshit.

It was announced today that Locher is doing a 2 part reunion of The Doctors

with Anna!

I have no idea who this Barbara Ryan is, but I clicked the thread because she looks like my mum. (well, forty-five years ago) Uncanny. Thanks for the memories OP.

When Barbara was going off to jail for killing James, she wanted to sell Simply Barbara to Lucinda so that Paul would have money.

Lucinda, trying to talk her out of it, "Darling, Simply Barbara simply wouldn't be Simply Barbara without Barbara."

They should have made Babsy a drunk. That would have been a real acting challenge for Colleen. Hee hee hee

I was always surprised the show never brought back Tonio Reyes in later years. He was such a smug prick, and did a lot of damage while he was in Oakdale. I remember the day he and Meg fought at the top of the stairs and she went south and lost her baby. Couldn't miss a day back then.

I never watched The Doctors but I remember reading (years ago) that Kathleen Turner did not understand the direction her character was going. She had played Nola one way but suddenly the character was to act or do something completely out of character. Anyway, Kathleen said that she decided to play Nola as having a drinking problem, (maybe even carrying around a flask). This, in Kathleen's mind, justified why Nola would suddenly act differently. Does this seem correct? I know KZ took over the role, but not much more than that.

I loved Barbara was she was a bitch on wheels, and that’s also when I think CZP had the most fun playing her. I was rewatching the dissolution of her third marriage to Hal recently, and it’s so well done. After years of playing the wet blanket, Barbara becomes all about Barbara, and CZP clearly relishes it. Her material in fall and winter 2000 is a lot of fun to watch.

It was a shame that they overdid it in later years and made Barbara a psychopath jumping out of court windows.

Um, R45 , I think that was less an acting decision than a life choice.

R42: "When Barbara was going off to jail for killing James, she wanted to sell Simply Barbara to Lucinda so that Paul would have money. Lucinda, trying to talk her out of it, 'Darling, Simply Barbara simply wouldn't be Simply Barbara without Barbara.'"

Barbara was so irrational about it. She INSISTED that Lucinda take control of Simply Barbara before she went to prison, but then when she got out, she was like, "I want it back. Today!" Lucinda pointed out to her that it doesn't work that way; that all she'd have to do is wait a year and it would be hers again; that she need a nice, long rest anyway. Well, Barbara flipped the fuck out and created an entirely new company just to sooth her wounded pride. Ridiculous.

R44, I have always believed that Tonio was one of ATWT's most underrated characters and that Peter Boynton never got the credit he deserved, probably because James Stenbeck/Anthony Herrera got so much attention around the same time. No disrespect to Mr. Herrera, who is rightly remembered as a Daytime legend, but Tonio was my favorite soap villain of all time. His was a reality-based, down-to-earth sleaziness that was far more believable, IMO, than James', and Boynton took such obvious relish in his portrayal.

So well put, R48 . His was the stuff of true nightmares, not fantasy, which is why I'll never forget him.

The Locher reunion with Andrew Kavovit, Ming-Na Wen and Melanie Smith is a delight. I loved it when Smith was defending Emily seducing a 16 year old claiming he was of legal age and Ming-Na said “Maybe In OAKDALE he was!”

I have so many Locher Rooms to catch up on, going back to the Gregg Marx/Hillary Bailey Smith one.

I remember being shocked when Barbara jumped out of the courtroom window? I can't remember what she was on trial for.

Not as fabulous as when my dong leapt out the window.

Hah, so do I, R51. I’ve only watched the first half hour of the Stuart/Browne/Barrett/Coppola one. I want to savor ones like those.

Tina Sloan interview

here's Colleen at her finest; Hillary, too; great writing

Doug looked at Barbara's history; does Margo really have a leg to stand on here when Babs points out that Margo slept with James.

6;13.

Those rumors about CZ and HBS coming to blows have been around for eons but when I watch shows from that era I think it has to be true.

They looked like they wanted to tear each other's faces off.

R56 That scene was SO fabulous.

It's a shame that they really never did much of anything else with that rivalry after Tom and Margo got back together.

One of the funniest episodes was the funeral scene with Brabara, Paul, Henry & Vienna. I'd love to see that again.

[quote]The Locher reunion with Andrew Kavovit, Ming-Na Wen and Melanie Smith is a delight.

Did they get rid of the background noise? Someone had their TV or radio on. Too distracting. I gave up.

R58, here's another fab scene from March; the first one was from Jan.

It was the clip shown for the 1986 writing noms at the Daytime Emmys in July; I think the Emmy eligibility period once ran March to March, but I can't swear to that; go to 1:26

R61 is a great example of how realistic ATWT was at one point: Lucinda has high blood pressure, and Casey makes a house call to tell her that she has to calm down. That's it; that's the scene. With great writing and great acting, you don't need anything more!

I want to see a Locher Room with Bev Penberthy, Robert Gentry, Susan Keith and Irene Daily (through a medium).

Khan (who works at a KFC/Taco Bell combo restaurant and lives with his mom at age 45) at SON is almost dumber than Vee.

Colleen had def had a bottle of pinot grigio before she hopped on board the Locher train today.

I want Lady Eyes A Buggin but she would never ever do it.

Casey Peretti blew into Oakdale like a breath of fresh air; youth, fun, good looks; he and Lyla had chemistry from day one.

A sweet love story, turned so tragic.

As long as Colleen doesn’t get behind the wheel AGAIN, she can drink all she wants. Let’s hope she learned her lesson after TWO dui’s!!! Does she even have a drivers license? One would hope not.

Colleen's Uber driver told me to tell you, R67 , that she is doing well and appreciates all of your heartfelt support.

Mmmm, Casey Peretti.... Bill Shanks was so hot in the 80s.

Marland really had quite the stable of hot guys at ATWT in the 80s.

Did Bill Shanks have to suck Marland’s toes?

You are STILL not welcome here, R70. Take the hint. You're embarrassing yourself. No one cares about your invisible friends.

R71 You don’t have a say who is or isn’t welcome here. Do you want Vee or Khan Or Dumb Dylan here?

But literally no one on this entire board finds you even remotely amusing.

That intense smoke must be affecting your brain.

Go clog the toilets elsewhere

I wish they never dropped the Barbara/Margo rivalry. Instead we got Barbara/Carly and Margo/Emily which weren't nearly as much fun.

But Babs and Margo worked best with Hillary as Margo. That line in the scene above.....Margo said something like "you look like so many of us want to look" - almost a jealousy there. Lots of layers to that.

Margo was for some reason terribly neutered for a while, though, when she went off to Greece, and Scott Holmes made HBS more dull. No wonder she wanted to leave.

Same thing unfortunately happened on OLTL for her - Nora was really something the first few years and then she became a dumb dumb with the usual boring cliches.

R75 Honestly, I never stopped loving her Nora. The only time I felt they made her truly dumb was when they had her with the closeted murdering DA.

Huge Nora fan here too. What an intelligent and MODERN woman (for 1993!!)

NEVER WAS AN ATWT fan, I don't think that I ever watched ONE entire episode (die hard OLTL er here) however, I love following these P&G threads.

A different breed of people in all the best ways.

And I stand by, that the best Locher Room podcast was Elizabeth Hubbard and Martha Byrne.

Liz stands for everything about someone passionate for her craft/art- no matter what it is. She could be an inspiration to a medical technician or a CEO.

Just a truly great interview to watch someone so passionate and fucking fearless about her job.

She goes DEEP.

What a delicious fantasy image, though, of Hot Daddy Daniel Colson pounding College Jock Mark Solomon (Mark Dobies and Matt Cavenaugh).

I recently subscribed to a Youtube channel where the guy is uploading GL, AW, ATWT episodes

I watched one today but my memory fails me. Phillip had been in a mental hospital (I remember that) but then he was murdered (I don't remember that).

Alan was angry & despondent. Harley was arrested for his murder & Alan was lashing out at Buzz.

Can anyone refresh my memory? Who "killed" him & where was he?

R79 I can't remember the whole story but I think initially Phillip was actually murdered - this was when they fired Grant. Harley was framed for the murder, then somehow Alan confessed he was involved/murdered him and at some point after that Alan said Phillip was actually alive, that he had done it to whisk Philip away, but that Phillip had run off to escape him.

"I recently subscribed to a Youtube channel where the guy is uploading GL, AW, ATWT episodes"

Link, please

Who, R79?

No link please or it will get shut down.

Whisper it in our ear, Mary

R75, that was Doug. he knew how to tap into what women were feeling. Many women thought their husbands (and many men age better than women) would go off and find someone else; soaps represented strong women who could win over these rivals.

He did this well with Lesley and Monica on GH. Lesley knew there was an attraction between Monica and her husband Rick.

They were all at a party once and Lesley is across the room and Rick is yucking it up with Monica and there's an instrumental playing of Wives Should Always Be Lovers Too.

Doug left GH to take over GL before it could be played out, but Pat Falken Smith, another great writer, carried this story to fruition. I was living in Boston and Denise came to down to do a radio interview. First question she was asked was "When you are going to slap Monica?"

"I did. You missed it," Denise replied.

Here's a clip.

R56 Wow, that is a great one.

Hillary revealed recently in the Locher room that BRYAN CRANSTON was up for the part of Tom after Marx left. I can't believe they didn't go with him.

Jesus, how many bottles of wine did Colleen have before the latest Locher room interview? She was sloshed! And b.s. about her not wanting to do a west coast soap - it’s that no one wants her, given her history. Awhile back, she was trying to rally her fans to tweet Morina at Y&R and Valentini at GH to get her on either show. She was even interested in B&B. Of course, given her penchant for the sauce, she’s probably forgotten. She couldn’t even remember that Kavovit was 12 when he started on WT during the interview. Kavovit stated a few times and then a few minutes later, Colleen asked him again. Too much wine, dear.

WE could have had Bryan Cranston as Tom and instead got Scott Holmes?!?

Well, if he'd taken the Tom role, he might not have ever gone on to Malcolm in the Middle or Breaking Bad. So, I guess it worked out best in the long run.

But still, ATWT got stuck with bland Scott Holmes,.

Spicen and Vee were also once up for the role of Tom Hughes.

I did not start watching until 1989, so Scott Holmes was the only Tom I ever knew. I'd rather have watched him than hammy Justin Deas.

The blandness during most of Scott Holmes' time on the show came from the storytelling post-Lisa sues John, not from any particular actor...well, except for the new, unimproved Meg.

If CZ was day drinking, who can blame her? She was clearly in despair regarding the 10 th anniversary of her career defining show going off the air. Probably a bad idea to do so before appearing 9n a reunion show. Oh well. I thought it was one of the better LR shows.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, it’s 7:38am. Time for my second glass of Riesling.

Both Barbara and Nora wee excellent characters. At their best they were layered and strong. In RL Colleen is an exceptional, kind person. HBS not so much.

I have had cocktails with Colleen and would continue to do so given the opportunity. To know her is to love her.

A non-P&G aside, if Y&R is planning to keep the wretched Theo Vanderway character, they should bring Colleen on as his mother and love interest for Jack Abbott.

Isn't Colleen Traci's daughter, r94?

It would be nice if someone would start a new Y&R thread. The current one has been Murieled since July. OTOH, who wants to deal with Scoche Marin / Spicen?

Ha ha Colleen Zenk, not Colleen Carlton.

Well, you did say "non-P&G," r96. But I love your Colleen Zenk idea. And it would fit in perfectly with where Jack's trying to go right now, with this "love is the only thing that matters" theme.

Khan (the 45 year old male Taco Bell employee who lives with Mom) was up for a Lien Hughes recast. Serial Scholar - another dumbass - wanted to be Alexandra Spaulding. And dumb Dylan is still dumb.

There is an Y&R thread, dears.

R93 I've had the same experience.

She's withdrawn a great deal in the last few years. Losing Morgan was the straw that broke the camel's back I think.

In terms of Bryan Cranston, it is possible he turned the part down, even after auditioning for it

At the time they re-introduced the character of Tom Hughes, a Prime Time Pilot Cranston filmed was picked up for a Fall debut - so he would contractually obliged to do the series.

It was Cranston and the actor from Guiding Light that played Derek in the early 80s.

I just found Scott Holmes so boring and generic. Not a bad actor, and he did some good work in a few of the Margo in jeopardy stories, but he was sleepwalking for most of the last decade, and I mean.....going from Gregg Marx to Scott Holmes.....

I will say it again. When Scott Holmes was given material to work with he was terrific. But no one wrote for him.

He was such an asshole on the Locher Room it actually lowered my opinion on him.

If he couldn't stop chewing gum like a cow for an hour.......FFS

How was he an asshole?

Jesus. This really sucks. I figured this poster was a troll posting about Zenk's DUI's

If you google search, Zenk has had 3 DUI's since 2000. 2000, 2010, and 2017.. (The 2017 one in Florida shocked me- there is a link to her arrest with her mugshot. Its not pretty)

The woman has been through a lot and I suspect that alcohol is self medication for her. I

Shocked that after having oral cancer, that she would consume alcohol at all.

R106 I make no excuse for DUI's but I do think she's been through hell and I can understand her struggle, to a degree. I believe the 2017 one was right after her mother died - which was during/in the middle of a hurricane where the water in mother's house was almost up to second story.

R105 He came off as one. Very dismissive in a lot of his answers. Was chewing gum the whole time. Maybe that's more of an NYC attitude or something but to me he was just kinda......dickish

Hillary has never trashed Scott Holmes; but boy he's a boring Tom, and he comes off not so great in person; in fact, when Tom wasn't being boring he was being more pompous than Mike Bauer.

When Tom the d.a. realized there was shadow of doubt that Caleb didn't kill Henry Lange. There was a great scene where the defense tried to show that someone (Caleb) could hold a gun and another person (Henry) could reach between his fingers and pull the trigger, essentially killing themselves -- which is what happened.

Hughes relatives were saying Tom was so great to go for the law and truth - not the win. PLEASE. You have to cast your d.a.'s appropriately. That was an Avril Hobson move.

Would Hillary have left ATWT if Bryan had been Tom? Or if Gregg had stayed (and Doug had lived!)

Probably not.

What if they had signed Robert Woods as Tom? He was off OLTL and had just done a short run on Days. He’s only 7 years older than Gregg and he would have made a more believable father to Lien. Also he had chemistry with HBS.

[quote] Would Hillary have left ATWT if Bryan had been Tom? Or if Gregg had stayed (and Doug had lived!) Probably not.

She would, because CBS signed Hillary to a development deal to star in a Prime Time Sitcom - contingent of her leaving ATWT,

HBS came THISCLOSE to landing the lead in the Diane English sitcom "Love & War" - until they decided to go with Susan Dey at the last minute

Then she did pilot for the movie version of "Driving Miss Daisy" - that didn't get picked up, so then HBS decided to return to daytime.

[quote] How was he an asshole?

When Ming-Na Wen joined the cast as Lien, her first scene is Tom opening the door and her standing there

Apparently Scott Holmes decided to have fun, and when he opened the door and saw Ming-Na standing there he said "I didn't order Chinese food"

Tell me about the q-ratings of the actors.

R112 That definitely sounds racist out of context, however Ming Na's family owns a very well known Chinese restaurant in Pittsburgh and that was what the joke pertained to....he said he was trying to put Ming Na at ease.

(Of course, if she said she objected I would want to hear that, but just saying, the comment was not as random as you might think)

I forgot that Hillary actually landed the Gene Wilder show when she was under contract to OLTL.

There will be NO Colleen slander here. None.

[quote] (Of course, if she said she objected I would want to hear that,

Ming-Na says she took it at the time for what it was, as a joke to put her at ease. That said, Ming-Na also says it would not be politically correct, if he made the same joke today.

r117

how does anyone know all this stuff?

It was a few weeks ago, R118, and we watched them say it.

You know, like an interview. Are you familiar with the premise?

Never knew that Colleen has 3 THREE three fucking dui’s! I knew of TWO of them, but three!!!!! What an obnoxious cunt!! To go on Alan Lockerrroom drunk..........Colleen, get help.

I can see CBS/P&G execs thinking Holmes was more fuckable than Venton or Cranston.

I can't!

I dont know if she's drunk. She may actually have dentures because of the cancer and when she talks it sounds like it. Having said that she did sound boozed up. I really feel sorry for her.

It's not dentures. It was tongue cancer and she literally puts her tongue in a different place now when she speaks.

I noticed it in the final years of the show, but it's not so radically different than before, but yes a little more sibilant.

I have no tolerance fr DUIs. .. But why on earth would she want to live in Trumpville Naples. blech.

She lost half her tongue due to cancer.

R125 Her mother lived there for years and she cared for her as mom was dying.

R127 Yeah, but she didn't have to buy the place from the estate and move there permanently.

R128 Maybe she didn't buy it from the estate. Her mom could have left it to her.

R128 She isn't living there now. Or not permanently, anyway.

Correct. Colleen lives on the Pinot Grigio aisle. Can she drive up to see her good friend Eileen or does she have to breathe to start the car?

How much did Colleen get paid at her peak and then later?? Was she ATWT’s highest paid per episode at the end.?!?

[quote] How much did Colleen get paid at her peak and then later?? Was she ATWT’s highest paid per episode at the end.?!?

People were taking pay cuts towards the end of ATWT run, so nobody was rolling in the dough

Colleen saw her fortunes rise and fall based on the writers. She had played the perils-of-Pauline victim ad nauseum by the time Doug Marland came along. Marland's decision to change her character into a bitch, and give her TWO enemies (Margo and Shannon) was the best thing to ever happen to CZP. After Marland died, she slipped way back on the storyline backburner, until Hogan Sheffer rescued her again.

R134 though Colleen Zenk did say between Marland and Sheffer, Jessica Klein wrote her character romance with John Dixon and that was one of her favorite storylines

She did get a bit of play at the end too, and the Henry romance saved her character from being just a humorless cunt, which is kinda what Barbara devolved into with Howarth as Paul.

She’s had oral cancer twice but she’s still guzzling the pinot noir? Oh my!

R103 When, exactly? He was usually pretty boring. He was mediocre at best.

He was handsome. But that shouldn't have been enough to last 23 years.

Whoever the brainiac is who decided to name this thread sure hasn’t done Mrs Zenk Pinter any favors. All her dirt is dragged up on here. 3 dui’s!! And she’s still drinking as seen on her most recent chat with Miss Locher. Where is Siri Daley when you need her?

WEHT.

[quote]I did not start watching until 1989, so Scott Holmes was the only Tom I ever knew. I'd rather have watched him than hammy Justin Deas.

Was Justin Deas hammy when he played Tom in the early 80s? I watched off and on back then (didn't really become must see TV until Marland) but I did like Tom/Margo. I don't remember Deas being particularly hammy. Of course, I really liked Margaret Colin so that my have helped disguise any hamminess.

I did think Tom/Justin was kinda cute for a midget. He had really hit the wall hard by the time be came to Springfield.

r141

smoking(and maybe drinking) really caught up with him

[quote]There is an Y&R thread, dears.

And it has been locked down since July.

R143 I had no idea, and no one has started a new one? I can remedy that.

R140 No. It's WHET.

At Datalounge, it will always, always be WHET.

What do we know of the dick sizes and circumcision status of the ATWT cast?

Thank you, precious gift r144.

R147 You're welcome, hun. Always happy to help.

R145, Van Hansis mentioned somewhere that his smegma collector is still attached. Jake Silberdong is free of that concern, either based on that jerking-off video or merely the fact that he's Jewish.

I find it hard to believe that SDF or Andy Kavovit would be smegmatic. Kavovit is Jewish and SDF grew up in Newton, MA.

I wonder if Danny Markel is Jewish.

Oops. R149 was meant for r146.

R146 I would like to know for all P&G soaps.

r151, stop Bump Bitching and we'll think about it.

During the Marland era, there were a few actors that always made my big dick face radar twitch.

Mark Pinter for sure. William Fichtner, I'm guessing he has a very long dick that's a bit on the skinny side. And Tom Wiggin is likely packing a long, fat dick.

The only one that really made my radar twitch in later years was the original Brad Snyder. THAT man was packing.

"I'm very much alive!"

Cue theme music,

FABULOUS!

R153 him?

R155 yes indeed, him

As for GL, we know about Grant.

We know Rob Bogue (Mallet #1) is in the double digit club.

Sorry, that should read Mallet #2

That's a great back from the dead clip of James.

I wish the lighting had been a little less dark. But it was at night at Duncan's castle.

I'd love to see the clip of Lisa (Eileen Fulton) coming back and finding Whit's body. That made ET back in the day.

Eileen used to shit bricks and plug up the studio toilet. She now shits her diapers.

A friend's sister is an RN. In 1989 she took care of David O'Brien of "The Doctors" in the hospital when he was dying of AIDS.

40 years ago, when soaps were on the upswing.

A very skinny Zimmer and a very zaftig Judy Light!

R146 Here's some Paolo Seganti.

Ah, Paolo. Not unexpected that he'd look so nice.

All of you SH bashers seem to forget that he came straight out of "Ryan's Hope," where his character (Dave Greenberg? or something like that) was very popular. ATWT got lots of good press because of that....more than if they had picked up BC or others you've named who weren't well known at that time.

There was little writing for Tom Hughes the last 10+ years of the show. The only story I can think of that focused on him during that time period was that lame affair with Emily, which was badly written (one day they took off work to see a Buster Keaton movie, not knowing the other would be there....and three episodes or so later, they were in the sack). Otherwise, he was peripheral to Margo's stories or called in as a lawyer to make a few comments. IIRC, ED begged the writers to kill off Margo so it would give Tom a good story.

He is a very high energy person IRL, so I'm not surprised about the gum chewing. He was well liked by his ATWT (and RH) colleagues.

R165 that Emily affair storyline was pretty bad. Tom was such a freaking idiot and was so easily manipulated by her.

The Stewart women were just irresistible catnip to the Hughes men, I guess. Bob had Susan. Tom had Emily. Chris had Emily and Alison. Did Casey have Alison?

[quote] Did Casey have Alison?

Yes, as I recall, they were kind of played as "star crossed" for awhile with events and interlopers interfering, but did have sex and were engaged at some point. And by the time the show ended, they had rekindled things and were back together as a couple with their end story being that moving to Carbondale together where Casey was going to attend law school. (Get ready for the male version of Legally Blonde .. lol!)

Hogan Sheffer didn't write for Tom and Margo. He said in some interview that he couldn't envision them as a romantic couple so he didn't know what to write for them, or something like that. And no Sources troll, I can't give you the exact source which I'm paraphrasing from.

The subsequent HWs didn't know what to do with them as a couple either. I think that's why we got that lame Tom-Emily pairing.

Goutman hated Holmes, but was too chicken to fire him. He kept hoping Holmes would quit, but Holmes cashed the checks.

Holmes is still very fuckable.

When I worked in the production office, I didn’t get to know Colleen but she seemed absolutely lovely. And for as glamorous as Barbara was, Colleen would come into the office in sweatshirts and no makeup and was just as gorgeous, albeit in a more natural way.

Hillary would come by with her baby carriage and, again, I didn’t get to know her, but she didn’t give off approachable vibes.

Melanie Smith was an absolute doll, on the other hand. Same with Robert Tyler and Richard Burgi (who was dating Heche at the time). Swan was a real character but incredibly friendly and interested in others.

R168

If the HW can't envision them as a couple then WTF wouldn't he break them up? That would give them new directions & possibilities.

Van looks uncut - I find most pale, hippieish boys are.

Where is there a Jake Silbermann masturbating video? Where can we see?

R173 It's not Jake.

Latest Locher Room: Charlie's Angels' Jaclyn Smith. September 30 @ 2:30 eastern.

Alert Bootsie-Gumdrop.

An article about the Flash TV - the 1990 version - which mentions star John Wesley Shipp AND another soap veteran who was up for the same role....

r174 types "But It's Photoshoppppppppppppppppped!"er.

R168 I can’t really blame him for that because I can’t either. SH and ED just didn’t have that much chemistry.

R172 well we did get that storyline where Margo practically drooled over Doc Reese. It was so over the top. I won’t post the clips because I don’t want anything to get pulled, but there are some where I alternatively cringe and crack up laughing with how bizarrely horny Margo became out of nowhere. And still, at least it wasn’t dull as dishwater like Tom and Margo were.

[quote] If the HW can't envision them as a couple then WTF wouldn't he break them up?

But that would give Tom & Margo a storyline, which the HW wasn't interested in doing

[quote] An article about the Flash TV - the 1990 version - which mentions star John Wesley Shipp AND another soap veteran who was up for the same role....

The other person was James DaPavia (One Life To Live)

R180 You didn't read the article, the other person was not DePaiva, it was Richard Burgi.

A heads up for those who remember when these threads were banned.

We have a few posters who are apparently writers for a small TV website that focuses on reality TV and soaps. They are making dozens of threads every day. The soap ones will always have the same name - just the show name - so we have hundreds of threads now named "General Hospital."

So far none of these threads get more than a handful of traffic, but I'm worried that eventually Madame M et al will get the banning itch again, so just be aware. You may want to FF those spam threads if you see them.

Alan Locher's big announcement this morning was not a soap star but Jaclyn Smith

[quote] Alan Locher's big announcement this morning was not a soap star but Jaclyn Smith

Will he ask her if she remembers her first day?

No but he’ll ask her if she’s seen Tom Pelphrey in Ozark yet. And he’ll pass on Jill Lorie Hurst’s kvelling over her hair.

You bitches are HATEFUL and MEAN

and don't forget Hillary and Crystal Chappell tomorrow.

r185

Now I wouldn't mind seeeing if Tom Pelphrey in cut or not

Tyler has said that Van is uncut.

PRESS RELEASE

SIMPLY BARBARA RELEASES NEW PRODUCT LINE.....

Caftans.

Earrings.

Jay Hammer and Susie Pratt on Locher Room next week

R191

That location shoot to Barbados was so good.

Too bad Carrie Nye is no longer with us. A Zoom meeting with her would be a hoot. She'd complain about the technology and how everyone looks entirely too much at their phones. *fans self*

Oh, my dear, dear Carrie!

This was posted in another thread but I was amused and decided to share here:

Carolyn Jones and Joan Collins played scheming buddies in "The Opposite Sex". Marj Dusay replaced Carolyn as Myrna Clegg on "Capitol", and Joan briefly took over the role of Alexandra Spaulding on "Guiding Light" which Marj had previously played and returned to after Joan realized she couldn't handle all the dialog she was supposed to memorize.

Joan's "Dynasty" son Gordon Thompson played Marj's "Santa Barbara" son. Between the original and final Mason Capwell, there was Terry Lester who played the son of Marla Adams on "The Young and the Restless" before Peter Bergman played the part. Marla was the temporary sub for Myrna Clegg on "Capitol" before Marj was hired.

R196, didn't Joan leave because Rauch left and she had a book tour?

Joan signed a contract for six months but left early because she's Joan Fucking Collins and claimed it was planned that way all along.

Because, like Beverlee McKinsey, Joan was Alexandra Fucking Spaulding, and she'll so as she damn well pleases.

They can be as grand as they want to be, but *I* was the real deal.

Beverlee with black hair is a trip!

I'm sure she didn't leave early because she didn't realize how hard daytime is

[quote] Joan signed a contract for six months but left early because she's Joan Fucking Collins and claimed it was planned that way all along.

In the casting director's "Locher Room" the casting directors said Joan Collins had her agents call all the NY Soaps to express interest in doing a short term role

Of course all the soaps made offers, but GL was the only one that had a fleshed out character by resurrecting Alexandra

Soapsuds jerked off to Carl T Evans today. GROSS!!!

r204

to be fair, who hasn't??

Don't feed the trolls

Carl Tye Evans has gotten pussy all of his life! He!s straight and does not want OLD perverts like Soapsuds jerking off to him. Gross gross gross!!!!!!

Carl Tye Evans was offered to return to Guiding Light after Rick Hearst left, and he said no

He is not interested in acting anymore and has focused on screenwriting and directing

Instead we got Michael Dietz who later went on to producer reality shows.

So ironical.

As far as Alexandras go, let's not forget Lydia Bruce who stepped in for La Beverlee who took a few days off after her husband died.

You can FEEL the tension between Alex and India. Bruce did a great job walking into a blind situation.

Bonus shirtless and smooth chested Phillip at the top of the show. I usually associate the hairless look with twinks, but GA's all man, of course.

[quote] Michael Dietz who later went on to producer reality shows.

He is just one of those actors who get arrested outside of soaps, fired from every soap he worked on

Finally he had to get into producing, to make a living

[quote] Michael Dietz who later went on to producer reality shows.

In an old soap magazine interview he bragged that in 20 years he would be a movie star and live in a big mansion. Saying that is not arrogance, but confidence in oneself.

personally, he sucked the energy out of scenes; he didn't understand pace and vitality.

just don't read the lines; dissect the scrip. Decide your relationship. What it is. What do you want in this scene; and why does the other person not to give it to you.

I wouldn't call Carl a great actor, but he was good, especially as Phillip's pissed off younger brother whom Phillip saw so much of himself in. Alan Michael had figured out Phillip was the father of Meredith's baby and when PHillip is trying to steer Alan Michael clear of being used by their father, A-M says; "Phillip. you want to be my daddy. Go be a daddy to your own kid."

Powerful stuff. Pam Long knew how to write MEN as well as WOMEN.

Joan gave an interview to SPW and said that Alexandra (1984) was based on Alexis (1981), but what Joan didn't know is that Alexis was based on Iris (AW) played by Beverlee.

Ironical

And that the Carringtons of Dynasty were thus named because of Iris Carrington.

Thank god the old witch is dead. #Beverlee

I have no friends and I smell

Has there ever been a daytime male soap character that had his endowment discussed on screen?

"Has there ever been a daytime male soap character that had his endowment discussed on screen?"

Closest thing I can think of: Once on ATWT, Tonio Reyes was "entertaining" a female business associate in his hotel room, and they were staring out the window at the Walsh Tower. The woman asked him about another building that was in the works, and he said, with a leer, as he moved in on her, "It hasn't been ERECTED yet-- but it soon will be."

Can't believe they got away with that one, LOL.

[quote] Instead we got Michael Dietz who later went on to producer reality shows. So ironical.

Oh, dear and Oh, dear.

The ATWT censors must have been asleep.

I remember one scene where Craig said "pissed off" - I had to rewind my VCR a few times to make sure I heard it right!

[quote] I remember one scene where Craig said "pissed off" - I had to rewind my VCR a few times to make sure I heard it right!

How funny! I remember that too! It just stood out so much at the time!

Andrew Kavovit is registered to vote as a Republican in Florida. Just sayin'

Khan and Vee are going nuts over at SON. Poor poor Vee. He’s in the business, you know. lololololololol

R221 If I remember right, I think he was in Lyla's house when he said it. But I cannot remember who he was talking to.....

R222, I knew I wanted to punch him in the face repeatedly for a reason.

That is weird Kavovit is a Republican because be is very involved in Native American Issues, and that is a community IGNORED by the GOP

R219 'producer' was a typo; 'ironical' is my homage to Grape Antler.

Michael Dietz was a poor follow-up to Rick Hearst. i mean, he was so bad, show wrote him off after just six months and then the Alan- Michael character was rarely even mentioned again for the next eight years.

In fairness, Dietz was in way over his head with A-M. Rick Hearst had set such a high bar, anyone would have trouble filling A-M's shoes. Over at OLTL, Don Jeffcoat also had huge shoes to fill as Joey Buchanan when he was cast after Nathan Fillion left.

Dietz went on to star in Port Charles as Joe Scanlon. And he actually was very good in the part. Don't get me wrong, I was never under the illusion that Dietz was going to win multiple Emmys for his acting, but Joe was a much better fit for him than A-M.

^^^^

Speaking of Dietz, Kin Shriner tweeted a pic today of Dietz on a plane & watching Kin on today's GH

I worked with a cousin of Michael D's a long time ago. Short guy with a very deep voice.

Dietz was a pussy hound when he was on GL. He bedded a few cast members.

[quote] I worked with a cousin of Michael D's a long time ago. Short guy with a very deep voice.

Fascinating!

I didn't care for Michael Dietz as Alan Michael...until the day he didn't have a shirt on.

R232 Not really, but there you have it. LOL

I preferred Donnie Jeffcoat as Joey Buchanan. Seeing him on OLTL, I was given to wishing they'd gone with the original plan of making Joey gay, a thought Nathan Fillion never inspired in me.

The Locher Room with Ming-Na Wen, Andy Kavovit and Melanie Smith is delightful. And extra credit to all three participants for having decent lighting and a good internet connection!

I could only listen for about ten minutes, r236. Someone's radio or TV in the background drove me away. Did that eventually go away, or are you oblivious to such onslaughts?

R236, they were all delightful to work with when I was in the production office. Glad to see Ming-NA’s success. Couldn’t happen to a nicer person.

R238 I know all shows say "we're all a big family" but how true was it for ATWT when you were there?

I’m sure that for the most part, these shows are somewhat familial behind the scenes but there is always drama. It might not be seen or heard in the production office. I was at OLTL as an extra one day and Tonja Walker was holding up production for some reason. She was missing from the set (who knows - maybe she had a bad bout of diarrhea and was on the shitter) but finally the director came on to the loudspeaker for all to hear and quite forcefully told Tonja to get on the set NOW. A couple of the actors were mumbling that was par for the course with Tonja. That is just one of many many examples that I personally witnessed. Another is Jane Elliot being a diva at GL. Even Jerry verDorn very recently spoke about how the Carrie Todd Three Faces of Eve story was perfect for Jane since she had many personalities of her own. She could be a beyatch one minute and then another personality would kick in and she’d do a 180 and be nice. You never knew which Jane you’d get.

r233

I think he's adorable... he looks a lot like a BF I had in college

[quote] Someone's radio or TV in the background drove me away.

That was only when Colleen Zenk came on about halfway through.

I wouldn’t say one big happy family just because not everyone works together. There were lots of friendships among the cast and most people were nice but some people are closer just because they are in scenes together back in the day.

I’ll never forget on my first day when I needed to find the studio (which was in a different part of the building) and someone asked Kathleen Widdoes to walk me down since she was heading there. I asked how she liked working in the show and she said, “It’s a job.”

It’s not easy work. You come in at the crack of dawn and they block a scene...run through it once, twice max...block the next then the next...then makeup and hair, where they try to memorize lines and blocking...then they have a walk-thru with cameras and then shoot it.

There isn’t time to do lots of takes so they have to be more focused than they’d like on nailing blocking, getting every line perfect, leaning into lights, avoiding blocking another actor’s key lights, cheating to the cameras, etc. to get the acne in the can.

It’s hard to produce art under those conditions. And if you have a major role and work lots of days, consider that you get scripts maybe three days ahead and it’s tons to learn and you have to focus on one episode at a time.

Mo Garrett, Rick Hearst and Amelia Marshall in an upcoming Locher Room.

Alexandra LOVED Beth; she should have called AM to come back to town to break up Phillip and Harley; instead the writers had Beth reach out to Mallet and Phillip EXPLODED at her over it.

Phillip and Beth were almost ruined after he fell for Harley.

I never for one minute bought into Phillip & Harley.

R246 Same

Alexandra did love Beth as a daughter. That relationship was neglected by the writers. The writers criminally wrote Beth. It was shocking to see what they did to one of the show’s most popular characters of all time.

What the writers did to Alexandra when Marj returned in the late 90s was criminal.

What Ellen Weston did to her should have resulted in criminal charges.

The fault also lies with the execs who hire these people who do NOT know the shows or the histories.

Mal Young writing JT as a wife beater?

Ridiculous.

Jill painting over the Chancellor mansion into battleship gray/blue after Jeanne died? Insane.

I know a guy who is in the WGA, works in the industry and approached a head writer about getting a shot at pitching story or doing dialogue; the assholic head writer looked at him and said: "We don't hire fans."

Maybe they should? Fans know the show.

Is Mo Garrett still desperate for attention? How many Locher Rooms have she and Hearsty done? WTF.

Maureen Garrett has done one interview I think early on in the Locher Room series. If not for the remote nature of these she would not be involved at all. An attention whore she is not.

If you want over-exposed look at Zimmer, Newman, and even Ver Dorn and Keifer who have done 3-4. Rick Hearst has been dying to talk about himself for like 10 years now. He too has done several interviews lately.

R251 don't pay that poster any mind whatsoever. This is the same poster who goes on and on about snatches being eaten and all the people at other soap boards none of us give a remote fuck about.

Believe me, R251, those press whores who loved to talk were the lifeblood of the soap mags.

People like Maeve and Grant, who would never be called press whores, would step up once every 2 to 3 years to do an updated profile, especially if there was a big life change or if they had a big storyline coming.

Hey, there’s nothing wrong with eating snatch!

[quote]I know a guy who is in the WGA, works in the industry and approached a head writer about getting a shot at pitching story or doing dialogue; the assholic head writer looked at him and said: "We don't hire fans."

Oh, come on. Who was it?

Atta girl, Connie!!!

And mine is waiting', honey!

Don’t forget me! I love snatch eating!!

R251, Maureen Garrett has done two Locher Rooms previous to the one coming up.

[quote] I know a guy who is in the WGA, works in the industry and approached a head writer about getting a shot at pitching story or doing dialogue; the assholic head writer looked at him and said: "We don't hire fans."

And, that is a problem. They don't have to hire amateurs(though they might be better), but they should hire professionals who are actual fans of the show.

Who is this Vee person and Khan person everyone keeps mentioning?

You don’t know who Vee is? OMG! Everyone knows Vee. Or so he thinks. lol Just like Vee thinks that anyone cares what he thinks. Moron.

One person keeps mentioning, r260, and it's best to block the troll (and its manifestations when it erases cookies).

R259, you don't get to be in the WGA by being a total novice.

Industry folks use the word 'fan' like it's a slam; who the fuck is watching these shows if not for fans?

Look at the writers this industry has had over the last decade....incompetents like Josh and Dena...a hack like Pratt...

Love or hate B&B, you can't deny that Bell puts out the No. 2 show and the people who love it, love it. Ron saved GH from cancellation; he came up with stories inspired from what he watched the show from when he was a kid, a fan.

Being a fan means admiring these shows. Caring about them.

Most of the people running these shows today don't have that.

The shows have been run and written by people with contempt for the industry and hatred toward fans since the 90's. The Jill Farren Phelps's, Paul Rauch's, and Megan McTavishes of the world who used these soaps to get out their own personal hang ups and aggressions. They'd fuck up one show and then get hired at the next and got to repeat that cycle til retirement age.

Paul Rauch began producing Another World in 1972.

At AW Paul Rauch had Harding Lemay who was in charge of creative/writing. He wasn't afraid to tell Rauch to fuck off, so it worked. Everywhere else he went apeshit on the shows he produced because he took over and the writers amounted to his puppets.

R263 That was my point, if a professional is also a fan of the show that should be the people they are looking for.

Alan Sarapa, the hottie from twitter, should be a headwriter. lololololololololol Just kidding!

The anti-soapers running (and ruining) soaps started with Monty

I believe we may be Murieled

Not yet, r270. We've been spicened and Scoche Marined, which makes me click off the orange eye a lot, so I don't see soap threads often.

R268 Huh? No idea what you're talking about.

R272 Ignore the mentally ill poster. Unfortunately, the infestation won't go away.

For some reason, this demented clown thinks we care about his invisible friends and mortal enemies.

R267, my bad; misread your post. Please accept my my bad/apology.

Btw, I just recalled while my friend's ultimate goal was to write for a show, he had actually approached a hw about an ASSISTANT opening. Was not afraid to start at the bottom.

Zenk Pinter has no idea how she got covid because she hasn’t been ANYWHERE. lol Maybe she forgot to wash her hands after the alcohol delivery.

[quote] Was not afraid to start at the bottom.

Speaking of bottoms, where is Marty West these days?

Sitting on my face right now, R276. His $80 fee is so worth it.

R275 She lives in a red county of Florida. All you have to do is walk outside and breathe the deplorable air.

Watching the Ellen Parker Locher Room and Maeve K actually rolled her eyes when Alan asked someone about their first day.

Go, gurl!

Hahaha!

I wanted her to also issue a flat “No” when Locher asked her if she’d seen Tom Pelphrey on Ozark. And a blank look on her face when Locher brings up Jill Lorie Hurst for the 86th time.

I like her but it is sort of weird that he mentions her so much.

I had to stop the Parker one halfway through, they all seemed very frosty to each other and especially to Rachel Miner.

Is anybody watching the PBS mystery Van der Walk? It’s with British actors playing Dutch characters. The latest one reminded me a lot of the Sonni/Solita storyline. In this one “good girl” Aamina was found murdered. It turned out she had an identical twin, “bad girl” Zafira. Zafira had been turned away from her family by her very religious father. The mystery is was it really Aamina who was murdered or was it Zafira? It was nowhere near as satisfying as the Sonni/Solita storyline.

Tina Sloan would make an obvious ticked off face every time Rachel interrupted, which was frequently.

R282, I'll always believe that when soaps were great, there was nothing better.

Watch this scene between Bernau and McKinsey, their last, sadly, I believe from May 1988.

Alan is DOWN AND OUT yet he still is in command. And Alex KNOWS it.

When Alan says Spaulding's don't forget, Alex asks (in her best Iris) is that a threat? Just a statement of act. Brilliant.

ATWt 1986-90; GL 1984; summer 1987 to Feb. 1991.

Golden ages.

statement of FACT

Sonni/Solita was soap at it’s most soapy-in the best way. It was such a powerhouse story.

R284 I've seen that a few times recently. Such a great episode. Phillip's takeover of Spaulding was a great leap forward for him as a character.

Michelle Forbesvvs Kim Zimmer 4 days a week for 3 years in a riveting story was a lot of fun.

Michelle Forbes vs Kim Zimmer^^^

Not to be a killjoy, but I'm just not a fan of posting whole episodes from YouTube. It risks getting them pulled down.

Is the nutjob Serial Monticello back here? Ugh.

Yeah, Defacto. You're exactly who we're going to listen to about internet "good manners."

Defacto - I know there was an issue with one poster getting a lot of his/her videos pulled but there are many others still out there. Something else was going on with that particular YT poster.

Jay Hammer and Susan Pratt were on the Locher Room today.

Interesting conversation, the two certainly still have chemistry.

Susan Pratt looks fantastic! She's 64 but looks younger.

However, Jay Hammer looks like death warmed over. So pale. He's 75. Hope its just because he's been inside watching Netflix .

Upcoming is Krista Tesreau and the dude that played Kurt

He needs to get the original 4 musketeers. Seriously. Judi seems to be recovering nicely.

Ahhhh Sonni/Solita. Dayum. GL took it to another level. It would make a great movie. Michelle and Kim was the best. Powerhouses. You saw Oscar level work weekly. MARY! but true.

Wow. Susie Pratt threw some shade at Richard Van Vleet.

Interesting hearing Jay Hammer contrast Beverlee and Marj.

R294 I never understood his playing Allan Willis on The Jeffersons or Berlinda Tolbert playing Jenny, for that matter. Did Hollywood not have any mixed race actors at the time or did they just not understand that mixed race children are actually mixed?

Susan Pratt was a cunt. It’s not like she was a great actress or anything.

And Jay Hammer was bitchy too. It’s not like he won emmys or anything. Ok, Fletch was there for awhile. He had a hat. Ok. Next. I can understand why Rauch fired him. Who cared????

Jay Hammer was upset they never brought him back to when Matt Bomer started playing Ben (his son)

The problem with that is Hammer held out for a 13 week contract, take it or leave it, P&G preferred recurring, and if that was Hammer;s stand, they would leave it,

[quote] Seriously. Judi seems to be recovering nicely.

Judi has ZERO interest in revisiting her time on Guiding Light.

After her accident Judi received an outpouring of support from cast-members of ALL THREE shows she was on. So when Judi talked to Soap Opera Digest about her accident, she said how much she appreciated the love and support from her former cast members at Another World and Days of our Lives

She didn't mention the people at Guiding Light AT ALL.

She clearly didn’t have issues bad enough with Grant or Vincent as she posed for pics with them a year ago. She kept in contact with Krista it seemed from the Locher Room chat. She follows Tina in Twitter. Soooo, why wouldn’t she do a Locher Room with those she’s already proven to have decent relationships with? Her time ar GL was terrible mainly due to her ex producer boyfriend. He made her life hell.

[quote] She clearly didn’t have issues bad enough with Grant or Vincent as she posed for pics with them a year ago.

What is she suppose to say "No, I don't want to pose for a picture with you?" And it was Vincent who tweeted the photo out

[quote] She kept in contact with Krista it seemed from the Locher Room chat.

That is what Krista says, but the fact is the only person Judi follows on twitter from Guiding Light is Tina Sloan - NO ONE else from Guiding Light

There's one name missing from R303 and R304's post, and that name is, from all accounts, the name of the person who was the most hateful to Judi.

When said name appeared on an earlier Locher Room and her name was mentioned, they got out of their chair and left the room so.....yeah.

I hate when people drop Cindy Brady hints like r305.

Who was it-Charita Bauer? Lee Lawson? The old queen that played Henry?

there was another poster who said on another soap thread that he has encountered Judi Evans at fan events. But everytime he has tried to ask Judi a question about Guiding Light, Judi clams up and it is like pulling teeth,

Judi just doesn't want to talk about Guiding Light

R306 it is Michael O'Leary

R306- O'Leary, ya space cadet!

I didn't even watch GL and I knew this!

That old cunt Mo Garrett is doing another one of these???

I know Grant and Mikey teased her a bit but something went really ugly after she was dating Whitesell. I wonder if Mikey was dating her or had feelings for her. He left the show for a while not long after that all played out.

But I could see Judi just not wanting to revisit all that. Despite a good early storyline, it was not a pleasant experience for her overall.

Just as Michelle Forbes ran from GL as if she was on fire and never looked back.

I mean, REALLY, who does that?

Hearing about Susan Pratt and Jay Hammer unabashedly spilling the tea gets me thinking about her place in the soap world. I get the impression GH fans never had an issue with her, but her '70s-'80s character Anne Logan is almost universally loathed. Susan joked that her own daughter was bored by her work on AMC. How do GL fans feel about her/Claire?

I loved Susan Pratt on her original run on AMC. She was so beautiful!

Michelle Forbes was driven to exhaustion but GL. That was her only issue.

MOL didn’t just get up he also said how concerned he was. When Krista was giving her rundown of how Judi was doing, MOL got up for part of it but came back, said he was concerned and nodded along as Krista spoke.

I think it was Whitesell who made her time miserable and exhausted her. Beth was on at least 4 days a week. Her and Reva had the most airtime. That said, Judi seems fine with that crew now. And FFS it was 35 years ago. She’s over it.

R313 Claire was an interesting character when she was first brought in - a little edge to her. She was supposed to be for Kelly but then JWS left, and she was paired with Jay, which I don't think was ever meant long term but which really clicked. In some ways, Claire and Fletcher as they were originally written were sort of General Hospital type characters on GL.

Unfortunately when GL went through that terrible clusterfuck of writers between Long 1 and Long 2 they made Claire a villainess and just took any real depth to the character away. She was a cunt to everyone and no one was sad to see the character go.

They totally fucked up on her 90s return as well. But then again, in that Rauch era all the characters had the depth of a penny so it really wasn't her fault.

Anne Logan wasn't hated, though we've often made the joke here that her lady business had a Perma Seal on it because of her virginity. LOL.

R297

Can you expound on what Jay said about Beverlee and Marj?

Did they mention the Barbados remote for Fletch & Claire? The pools scenes were so sexy.

Did Jay talk about Pamela?

Jay was a bitch talking about Pam. Said she was always late for everything and that she’s still late for everything. That’s the mother of some of your children, asshole.

hmph

By all accounts from various Locher Room interviews, Michael O'Leary was a huge practical joker with his castmates. Thing about it is, practical jokers often cross a line with their antics. Their jokes can be very hurtful to some of the recipients.

Judi was just 18 when she started on GL. Had never been on her own before, had never even seen snow when she moved from California to NYC to take the part. The role of Beth was the hardest of the Four Mustketeers. Character was very vulnerable, very emotional. Judi had to dig deep inside to pull off her performance, which won her an Emmy just a year after she got the part.

From everything I've read, Judi was very sensitive to the good natured teasing from her castmates, especially Michael and Grant. And if Michael took some of the practical jokes too far, well that would have made it even worse.

The fact the show broke up its super-couple of Phillip and Beth less than a year into their pairing speaks volumes. Most shows would tell castmates who don't get along to suck it up and find a way to make it work. But GL didn't do that. They paired Beth with Lujack and found onscreen magic again.

Vince was said to have been very protective of Judi, which likely helped make their pairing work. The two hung out a lot thus giving Judi a friend her own age on the set. Meanwhile, the others of her age group -- Grant, Michael and Krista Tesreau -- hung out separately.

However, at the same time as they paired Beth and Lujack, show broke up the Four Musketeers. Judi continued to have some scenes with Grant until he departed in Dec. 1984 (as Phillip tried to win Beth back from Lujack). However, Judi rarely had scenes with Michael O'Leary ever again.

Add into this being in an abusive relationship with director John Whitesell, is it any wonder Judi doesn't want to revisit that dark time in her life.

I wish I had gotten to see Grant’s long dong.

I loved Jay and Susie's honesty especially around Richard Van Vleet and him being fired. They were refreshingly honest.

What did they say about RVV?

Wow. I just took a glance at the latest Locher Room and I would've never known that was Susan Pratt by looking at her.

Susan Pratt looks good considering she has 3 children, the youngest being 29!

I loved listening to Susan Pratt! I started watching GL just towards the end of her run as Claire so I missed the pairing with Fletcher. Susan clearly adores Jay Hammer. It’s too bad the show was such a mess when Claire returned in 99 that they couldn’t have brought Fletcher back then. Sounds like Jay would have basically worked for free at that point.

Matthew Crane (Matthew Another World) brother Anthony Crane who was/is a model - pictures from the 90s

She kept talking over Jay Hammer.

Susie looks good.

As Claire in the 80s her hair and makeup looked harsh - she came across as very ratfaced. But she looks better now than she did then!

Jay Hammer on Maureen being killed off: "The writers must've been high on crack!"

Queen Locher is an idiot. He edited out some of the tea that Sue Pratt and Jay spilled. The show is off the air Alan. Whats the big deal?

It’s his show r332. Don’t like it, don’t watch.

Is that you Miss Queen Locher?

That's the insane, demented loon that we all ignore, R333. Don't even give that bitch the time of day.

I’ve listened to most of the Jay/Susie session and really liked them. And I disagree with the poster who implied Jay was trashing Pam when he said how she’s always late. I have good friends who are always late and it’s a thing and we acknowledge it...it’s not trashing them.

And Susie is wonderfully dishy.

He was not trashing Pam. He said with a tone of affection.

Jay really did have great chemistry with a number of female co-stars: Susan, Bev, Ellen Parker, Maureen Garrett...

And he was absolutely right that Buzz took over what should have continued being Fletcher's place on the show.

Jay was really the only person who had genuine believable romantic chemistry with Beverlee - he softened her and made Alexandra more human. And he also worked wonderfully with Marj. Had he been paired with Marj instead of Maureen Garrett, perhaps Alex wouldn't have become such an OTT character.

Beverlee would have torn Don Stewart to shreds, which he recognized early on. They stuck her with the old guys for a long time - Hawk Shayne and HB Lewis - in an attempt to soften her, but while HB and Alex were charming as friends, she was 25 or more years younger than both.

She and Zaslow definitely had chemistry as screen partners, but as enemies - apparently not so different than real life.

I liked Jay (and Fletcher) but he was a little bit....I don't know. Not boring, a better actor than, say, Frankie D. But he was sort of always generically written and plugged in for whoever didn't have a partner at the moment. A lot of his bold flavor was wiped out when Fletcher married Maeve and I'm not sure he ever got it back.

A few actors (including CZ) have talked about these changes.....basically a lot of our older actors are in danger of losing health insurance.

Why was Richard Van Vleet fired? Other than being completely wrong for the role? What did they say?

[quote] Why was Richard Van Vleet fired?

Because Peter Simon agreed to come back

Ellen Parker debuted as Maureen at the same time that Peter Simon returned in 1986.

R324 Susie said she adored Peter Simon and that RVV was a pain in the ass and all he talked about was being a star on AMC. Never was prepared. Didn't know his lines, was unprofessional and just all around unpleasant.

She was a fucking hoot!

What did he edit out?

Susie said that all he talked about was being a star over at AMC, never knew his lines. He was difficult. I think he was fired because they got Peter Simon to come back which everyone adored.

[quote]And he was absolutely right that Buzz took over what should have continued being Fletcher's place on the show.

Yet another reason to dislike the Buzz character. Not only did Maureen get killed off for him, Fletcher got written off to accommodate him.

Justin Deas is a fine actor, but he never did anything for me as Buzz. A hammy character that was so un-interesting compared to all the others on the show.

I could tolerate the Cooper family for the first few years, but once Buzz arrived and he started eating the show, I came to really dislike the enitre clan including Harley.

Beth was definitely the hardest role of the younger set. She had to be tough yet extremely vulnerable. They put Beth through the ringer. Judi was battling exhaustion, an abusive boyfriend who just happened to be a director (I can’t believe the show allowed that- Beth was one of their top characters) and had some jealousy for winning th show’s first ever acting Emmy.

Someone mentioned they were thinking of killing Beth off after her 1989 return. Surely not. That would have been extremely cruel. Beth survived so much, was beloved, only to come back from the dead only to be killed? No way. That would have been an epic mistake.

I don’t believe Judi and Grant had a bad relationship. They had plenty of scenes together until he left. Phillip never stopped pursuing Beth.

[quote] Because Peter Simon agreed to come back

I should add that when Joe Willmore became producer of Guiding Light, he went on a hiring spree to get as many former fan favorites back on the show. In rapid succession he lured Grant Alexander, Peter Simon & Christopher Bernau (and later Robert Newman)

[quote] Yet another reason to dislike the Buzz character. Not only did Maureen get killed off for him, Fletcher got written off to accommodate him.

Once and for all - Maureen WAS NOT killed off for the Buzz character. Prior to Maureen getting killed off, Beverlee McKinsey, left the show - so there was plenty of money to pay Justin Deas his salary as Beverlee was no longer drawing a salary from GL

There was also a 6-7 span between Maureen being killed and Fletcher leaving.

JFP that fucking cunt killed Maureen.

Why did Chris Bernau leave originally?

[quote] Why did Chris Bernau leave originally?

He left the first time around, as he played the part for seven years and wanted to give L.A. a shot

Thats strange because if you go to IMDB it shows no credits other than GL during that time.

r354

well 353 said he wanted to give LA a shot but he didn't say he was successful

R354 that is why he came back - nothing happened for him in L.A.

Except unfortunately the AIDS.

[quote] Except unfortunately the AIDS.

I suspect that is why Chris returned to Guiding Light - not only for the salary, but the SAG medical benefits

R352 In his SOD interview, he said he left GL because he wanted to take a well-deserved vacation. indicating that he took off to travel around Europe. When he returned, he did go to California, but indicated that once there he only did a few local theater gigs and/or small films. If those were indies or shorts, then given their age, they might not be in IMDb. He also said that just prior to his GL return, he completed a film that was tentatively titled "The Key." Again, given that this was over 30 years ago, if it never actually got released-distributed, then it's possible it's never got added to IMDb.

So many soap stars lost in that era.

I guess it was understandable why press was vague about Bernau's death then. But still now....? Zimmer's book said he died of some odd disease.....bitch, please.

R360 regardless Zimmer as nothing but positive things to say about Bernau in her book -

R361 True. And about almost everyone else she wrote about.

She didn’t have anything positive to say about Ellen Wheeler.

and she didn't have anything positive to say about her second stint on OLTL and the "unnamed" actress who had affairs with her co-stars

It's possible Bernau used a different name for those films he shot while in LA. Not unheard of for soap actors to change their names in Hollywood.

Grant's full name is Grant Aleksander Kunkowski. He obviously used Aleksander as his soap name, but said in an interview (no sources queen, I don't remember which one), that once he got Hollywood and hit the big time, he intended to use a different name.

As for Kim Zimmer, I was shocked she said Chris Bernau died of some "tropical disease" in her book. It was common knowledge on that set he died of AIDS. So for her to say "tropical disease" was like a slap in the face.

We discussed that at length here on DL back in 2010 when the book came out. A lot of us were outraged, but one poster pointed out she would have been the first to say in print that he died of AIDS. She might have been reluctant to take that step, to publicly announce he died of AIDS. That would be a big responsibility outing him, especially not knowing how Bernau's family felt about disclosing his death from AIDS.

Or for that matter how his fans might have felt about getting that news. I mean, there are still some Edge of Night fans who insist Joel Crothers was straight and engaged to Veleka Gray, and even today, if you ask the other Edge actors about it, they sidestep the question.

So, instead, it was Roger Newcomb on the We Love Soaps site who outed Bernau as having died of AIDS. He did that as part of a 2011 World AIDS Day roundup of all the soap actors we've lost to AIDS, which is linked below. Roger also outed Joel Crothers as having died of AIDS at the same time.

From Kim's book:

My early days as Reva offered me the opportunity to work with some fantastically talented actors, including Chris Bernau, who was a real ballbuster. Chris lived and breathed his character. He was an amazing actor who scared a lot of the other actors he worked with because all he wanted was to do his scenes, do them right, and then move on. There was seldom any laughter working with Chris. If you did somehow make him laugh, it was the highlight of everyone’s day. Let’s just say that I made him laugh a lot! He’d give me shit and I’d give it right back to him. Although he probably never admitted it, I like to think Chris enjoyed working with me as much as I enjoyed working with him. I found him to be a wonderful challenge and loved every minute of working together. His death in 1989 was a huge shock. Chris traveled extensively, and although I never really knew for sure, it was rumored that he had caught some terrible bug on one of his exotic journeys. His loss was really painful.

[quote] and she didn't have anything positive to say about her second stint on OLTL and the "unnamed" actress who had affairs with her co-stars

Viki Sleestak, you hussy!

Well maybe Zimmer wanted to be sensitive to the Bernau family, even though he was outed as dying from AIDS - the official death certificate says Natural Causes

Who is Zimmer to out Bernau in print, as the only record of him dying from AIDS, is from the internet. Plus her book was obviously looked over by lawyers. If she wrote he died of AIDS, when the death certificate says something different, that would set her up for a lawsuit from the Bernau estate.,

r368 I largely agree with everything you said. Not Zimmer's place to be the first to out Chris Bernau. And lawyers probably vetoed it as well.

But Zimmer also didn't have to write that he "caught some terrible bug on one of his exotic journeys." (Thanks to r366 for posting the exact paragraph, thereby correcting my earlier phrasing). I mean, she could have left that sentence out entirely and just said "His death loss was really painful and I miss him."

[quote] But Zimmer also didn't have to write that he "caught some terrible bug on one of his exotic journeys." She could have left that sentence out entirely and just said "His death loss was really painful and I miss him."

Agree 100%

[quote] But Zimmer also didn't have to write that he "caught some terrible bug on one of his exotic journeys." She could have left that sentence out entirely and just said "His death loss was really painful and I miss him."

Agree 100%

[quote] Roger also outed Joel Crothers as having died of AIDS at the same time.

You can forget that claim that Roger Newcomb "outed" Joel Crothers' death from AIDS in his 2011 World AIDS Day tribute.

That fact had already been published in-print way back in 2003 in Craig Hamrick's biography of actor Louis Edmonds, "Big Lou."

I would also question that Roger Newcomb was the first to report on Bernau.

If you go to the excellent Dark Shadows wiki, their entry on Bernau includes the same information about his heart attack and AIDS. And looking at the editing notes there, that fact was part of the original version they put up in October 2010 -- more than a year before Newcomb's 2011 article.

Liz, you are so right, as always.

Herbert Augustine Bernau becomes Chris Bernau. I can certainly understand why he changed his name.

But maybe Herb Bernau is how he is credited in those films he did while in LA in 1984-86, Or maybe he went by Gus Bernau. Or maybe Herb August.

That Dark Shadows Wiki also outs Joel Crothers and acknowledges he died of AIDS. However, it presents the engagement to Veleka Gray as legitimate rather than the bearding situation it most likely was.

Also it casually mentions his role on Edge of Night in passing, even though he played Miles Cavanaugh for 7 years. Edge of Night is the role he is best known for.

We seem to be M'd - making a new thread now.

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