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Mighty Joe Biden Continues to Lead in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin

If Joe wins these three states, it’s game over for Donald Trump in November.

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by Anonymousreply 203Last Saturday at 12:19 PM
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by Anonymousreply 108/21/2020

Y’know, I thought this race would’ve been more exciting. Go, Joe.

by Anonymousreply 208/21/2020
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by Anonymousreply 309/06/2020

Don’t get too smug. The Russians haven’t weighed in yet

by Anonymousreply 409/06/2020

I think Joe can get Arizona as well.

by Anonymousreply 509/06/2020

Repeat after me.

LANDSLIDE

by Anonymousreply 609/06/2020

Arizona would be wonderful, R5. Might help offset trouble elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 709/06/2020

New poll: Joe Biden up 6 in Wisconsin.

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by Anonymousreply 809/06/2020

Lets not get overly excited since anything can happen between now and election day. I'm cautiously optimistic.

by Anonymousreply 909/06/2020

Why shouldn’t we be excited, R9? After four years of depression and misery, we’re finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel and we can’t be happy about it?

by Anonymousreply 1009/06/2020

I'm hoping for Texas, Florida and Georgia too!

by Anonymousreply 1109/06/2020

I'm talking about the polls R10. All the polls had Hillary winning and look what happened. I don't want anyone to become complacent. We need to vote as if Joe is trailing Trump so we get everyone out there voting.

by Anonymousreply 1209/06/2020

He's leading in Texas now!!!

-- Beto

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by Anonymousreply 1309/06/2020

[quote] He's leading in Texas now!!!

They’ve been flip-flopping in TX for a while now, though recent polls have given Trump the edge. It’s nice to see another one with a Biden lead, however small.

by Anonymousreply 1409/06/2020

Beto did a great job in Texas, he came close and he made a big dent. And I say this as somebody who wasn't that much into Beto, because he was a bit of a BernBro, he voted against Nancy Pelosi and the video he used to announce his candidacy was extremely cringey.

I hope he campaigns his ass off for Joe in Texas!

by Anonymousreply 1509/06/2020

New Rasmussen poll actually has Joe’s Wisconsin lead GROWING to 8 points. Let’s hope it’s the beginning of a trend.

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by Anonymousreply 1609/08/2020

R15 Beto is mobilizing his grassroots TX army to register as many new voters as possible and get out the vote. Donate here:

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by Anonymousreply 1709/08/2020

[quote] we’re finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel and we can’t be happy about it?

Why not? Just go for it. You were certainly happy each of the other lights at the end of the tunnel these last four years. Why omit this one.

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by Anonymousreply 1809/08/2020

Up by 9 in new PA poll.

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by Anonymousreply 1909/09/2020

[quote] After four years of depression and misery, we’re finally seeing light at the end of the tunnel and we can’t be happy about it?

If Biden wins, we can all be cautiously optimistic that the paid trolls with their quotas for starting several dozen new Trump threads on DL every day will have to take a break. Truly light at the end of the tunnel.

by Anonymousreply 2009/09/2020

Biden will win 100% of the popular vote and all of the electoral votes. Keep saying this.

by Anonymousreply 2109/09/2020

Good News. Now, work on Florida. Trump is flooding the airwaves there, all over Latin media, and going door to door.

by Anonymousreply 2209/09/2020

R19, as a pennsylvanian I'm scared until he wins, super scared

by Anonymousreply 2309/09/2020

The only thing mighty about Joe is his dementia.

by Anonymousreply 2409/09/2020

R24 is FF

by Anonymousreply 2509/09/2020

R22 The Latin vote REALLY concerns me. My favorite election forecaster Rachel Bitecofer is raising the alarm that Trump's growing support in this demographic. This could tip the scales in his favor in places like Florida.

That said, people need to stop treating Latinos like a monolith. You'd think they'd be more empathetic to the plight of immigrants, but a lot of them turn their nose up at the undocumented once they get their papers. And that goes double for Puerto Ricans who are already American citizens, and Cubans who've been able to gain permanent residence. Out west, there are Hispano-Americans who absolutely disdain people who cross the border (a lot of them happen to work for ICE and Border Patrol for Christ's sake...).

And since Latinos tend to be more religious, abortion is a bigger issue for them than immigration. If they're Evangelical, of course that's all they care about.

I say all this as a Puerto Rican. Growing up, I'd hear my family complain about all the "illegals" who freeload off of welfare... I'm estranged from a lot of these relatives (for obvious reasons), but I heard they've been doubling down on their Goya products since that whole fiasco. My only cold comfort is that they don't vote, but if they did, they'd definitely lean more towards Trump.

by Anonymousreply 2609/09/2020

Florida Latinos are different than NY Latinos, CA Latinos, AZ Latinos. Biden is correct: Latinos are a very Diverse group. Trump is focused on attracting Florida Cubans with specific messaging and events. He is flooding Latin media in Florida and going door to door. He is likewise going for Florida Venezuelans and Puerto Ricans. Very focused

by Anonymousreply 2709/09/2020

Florida is too hopeful for our Biden.

The temptation to go low and to vote for lies and hate appeals to more than white racists.

by Anonymousreply 2809/09/2020

Most Florida Latinos identify as white

by Anonymousreply 2909/09/2020

[quote] The Latin vote REALLY concerns me.

President Donald Trump’s campaign and Republicans are making inroads in Miami-Dade County, the state’s most populous, forcing the Biden campaign to scramble in response to the threat to the wellspring of Democratic votes.

A new poll of local voters found that Biden is underperforming Hillary Clinton’s 2016 margins over Trump in the county, where Democrats needed to run up the score to offset losses elsewhere.

Miami state Sen. Annette Taddeo, a Democrat, said the raft of polling and the late-breaking response to Trump’s threat in Florida has the party taking the matter seriously after months of discarding warnings.

“Some of us have been warning about this, but it was kill the messenger: ‘You just bitch about everything.’ And now they're like ‘Ahhhhh! What do we do?’” she said.

Trump’s traction with Cuban American voters, who tend to vote Republican, is driving his gains in Miami-Dade. After drifting toward the Democratic side during President Barack Obama’s 2008 and 2012 bids, many have returned to the GOP fold amid Trump’s crackdown on Cuba and his constant outreach. In Miami-Dade, about 72 percent of the registered Republicans are Hispanic, mostly Cuban-American.

“Throughout the 2016 election and during his time in office, President Trump has developed a personal connection with the Cuban community in Florida and he would never allow that to be ceded unilaterally to anyone,” Wiles said.

If there’s one person whom Republicans and Democrats credit with helping Trump among Miami-Dade Hispanic voters — specifically Cuban-Americans — it’s Alexander Otaola, who emigrated to Miami in 2003 and launched a popular Spanish-language YouTube show that morphed from covering culture and music into politics. Along the way, Otaola went from an Obama voter to an evangelist for Trump.

Otaola told POLITICO that Trump is proving relatively popular with Latinos in the county because he is “synonymous with prosperity and success. We are tired of politicians who say the right thing and do the wrong thing. And we have changed to whoever speaks the wrong thing; but does the right thing.”

n a poll of likely Miami-Dade voters by Bendixen & Amandi International released Tuesday for The Miami Herald, Biden led Trump by 17 points, a margin that gives Democrats shivers in a county that Clinton carried by nearly 30 points. Pollster Fernand Amandi found that Trump was winning Cuban-American voters 68-30 percent, while Biden was carrying what are called non-Cuban Hispanics 58-32 percent.

“There’s no path to victory for Trump in Miami-Dade, but there’s a path to manage Miami-Dade margins, which could allow Trump to carry Florida by minimizing his losses here,”.

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by Anonymousreply 3009/09/2020

Florida isn't a priority. It would be a nice get but i doubt its happening. Biden should focus on more certain places such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, Minnesota and possibly Ohio (though not required). He wins all these as it looks he should be able to and he doesn't need Florida.

by Anonymousreply 3109/09/2020

Also, while Latinos is definitely a concern, it's not the most active voting block. Just like youth, they don't alway show up. Biden performs better than Clinton with the voters that matter ( old, white educated, women of all colors, and suburbs).

by Anonymousreply 3209/09/2020

R20 Preach. I have been here since 2006 and I can safely say this site has gone downhill. Datalounge is nothing more than Trump 24/7. I'm so sick of it. I come to DL for gossip. I hate Trump. The less I read about him the better.

by Anonymousreply 3309/09/2020

[quote]The Latin vote REALLY concerns me.

Strange things happening in Florida.

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by Anonymousreply 3409/09/2020

[quote] Otaola told POLITICO that Trump is proving relatively popular with Latinos in the county because he is “synonymous with prosperity and success. We are tired of politicians who say the right thing and do the wrong thing. And we have changed to whoever speaks the wrong thing; but does the right thing.”

Disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 3509/09/2020

If you remove the Latin vote, the whole Southwest becomes red. Biden is not in any danger of losing Latino voters. He is gaining Arizona because of them.

by Anonymousreply 3609/09/2020

WRONG, OP.

Biden will also need either FLORIDA or OHIO.

Fortunately for you and the world, Biden is ahead in BOTH states again.

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by Anonymousreply 3709/09/2020

As a matter of fact, OP, Trump's convention bounce has evaporated in all swing states — even Florida, where Biden is ahead again.

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by Anonymousreply 3809/09/2020

R37, not really.

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by Anonymousreply 3909/09/2020

Oh, Arizona's a done deal for the Democrats, hunties.

If you told me just four years ago that McCain country and Deplorable ground zero Arizone would become a Blue State with 2 DEMOCRATIC SENATORS and a DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL VOTE, I would have had you committed.

Maybe Shitler should trash John McCain and Jeff Flake some more!

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by Anonymousreply 4009/09/2020

I was about to post almost the same map. Even if Trump somehow wins MN he'd still need MI or PA.

by Anonymousreply 4109/09/2020

Buy something. Show your support.

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by Anonymousreply 4209/09/2020

[quote]as a Pennsylvanian I'm scared until he wins, super scared

Come my child, I'll hold and comfort you.

by Anonymousreply 4309/09/2020

I have to admit, I don't understand PA. I thought it was like the other Northeast states and then 2016 happened. Has there been some kind of demographic shift there or something?

by Anonymousreply 4409/09/2020

The Florida Latino deficit is down to three things: 1) Cubans won't forgive Biden for Obama normalizing relations with Havana, and 2) Cubans and Venezuelan fascists who were exiled from their country prefer a fascist vs false claims of "SOCIALISMO", 3) Florida Latinos (more than in CA or TX) tend to see a zero-sum political game between AA and their interests and Biden-Harris's strength with Black voters is a slight liability.

Biden needs to bombard Orlando (PR) and Homestead/Okechobee (Mexican and Central American) with the paper towel video and the concentration camps for kids.

by Anonymousreply 4509/09/2020

There was no "law and order" bounce, either.

So Boris can quit cranking his penis already.

by Anonymousreply 4609/09/2020

R44 Western PA is essentially Appalachia. Trumptard Central. 🤮

by Anonymousreply 4709/09/2020

Will the troll who warns us against optimism in EVERY ELECTION THREAD just shut the fuck up already?

You're preaching to the converted. There's nobody who comes into these political threads that isn't going to vote or do as much as they can to help turnout.

Quit pissing on the parade — Trump is over by any legitimate means. Shenanigans are all he's got now.

by Anonymousreply 4809/09/2020

Or r12 could be just another Boris trying to demoralize Democrats, as usual.

by Anonymousreply 4909/09/2020

If Texas votes for Biden, it will be a beautiful statement about the integrity of America.

by Anonymousreply 5009/09/2020

These recent polls have affected the 538 prediction as well, which now gives Biden a 74% chance of winning, Trump 25%, and a tie 1%.

by Anonymousreply 5109/09/2020

Do you see how r18 is just another Boris trying to rain on America's parade?

WHAT ABOUT 2018 AND NEARLY EVERY ELECTION SINCE, BORIS? Why did Trump's party and endorsements lose?

Are you ever going to stop pretending America's rejection of Trumpism isn't real?

When Trump is locked up?

After Trump is dead?

by Anonymousreply 5209/09/2020

I find it suspicious that Republicans aren't the least bit worried. Their faces are suppressing a smirk, the cat who ate the canary. No one is putting forth a yuge effort- with all that money raised- to flood the country with pro-Trump propaganda. They're just manipulating the polls to look like Trump is juuust under Biden everywhere, to explain how he roars to victory on Election Day.

The machines are hacked and ready to go. If more people vote by mail they'll just have to tweak them for more Trump votes.

by Anonymousreply 5309/09/2020

I remember clearly the lovely party I gave on Election Day 4 years ago to usher in President Clinton.

by Anonymousreply 5409/09/2020

I don't think Trump has a path to victory without Pennsylvania. Even if Trump were to carry Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Minnesota, Texas, and North Carolina, he can't get over 270 without PA.

by Anonymousreply 5509/09/2020

Just remember. The Trump campaign and the RNC are pouring money into these states. And the ad I saw on TV the other night made me real angry. It was a retired Black cop whose daughter was shot by a gang wanting revenge. Then he did a number on Biden with the whole "defund the police." The theme of the ad is that Biden is "too weak." And those are the words it ended with. I'm 100000% for Joe, OK? But we need to counter these ads. We need to get our own shit up there and we need to donate $$$$ because I don't believe for a minute Trump is out of $$$$. I believe his own people are robbing him blind including his kids, but I think between the Kochs and the Russians he has money. So do the Senate races. We can't afford to let up. Keep fighting.

by Anonymousreply 5609/09/2020

Fuck off R49. If you are demoralized you have no one to blame but yourself.

by Anonymousreply 5709/09/2020

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and making comments here R48. 2016 is a great example of people being so optimistic that Clinton was going to win and look what happened. So no I am not going to take these polls seriously and I will continue to remind people not be too overly optimistic.

by Anonymousreply 5809/09/2020

Boris's sour grapes are really starting to show @ r21.

Whatever happened to losing with dignity? Cunt.

by Anonymousreply 5909/09/2020

Boris also wants us to lose complete faith in the polls, which were ACCURATE in 2016 if you read the fine print.

The polls before HIllary's loss showed that she was within the margin of error in enough swing states to lose.

And they were correct.

But today, and for the last 2 years, the polls have given Biden a victory over Trump in the electoral college ABOVE the margins of error almost all of the time.

Biden has landslide numbers, Hillary didn't.

Biden is not Hillary.

by Anonymousreply 6009/09/2020

Texas, the Deplorable Ground Zero and source of the Republicans' biggest electoral portion, has been trending Biden for 2 years!!!

BEFORE the pandemic!

That means Benedict Donald is in deep shit and the Senate's going to Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 6109/09/2020

CNN's Jeremy Diamond:

Amid a news deluge, Trump campaign announces (buries) its August fundraising numbers: Trump campaign pulled in $210 million, meaning they got outraised by Biden by $154 million last month.

by Anonymousreply 6209/09/2020

I think they key is, and always will be, the 18-22 year olds. They're majority blue, but they don't turn out. Add the fact that most music festivals and events where "Rock The Vote" type initiatives succeeded in registering are not happening this year. We have to tell every young person we meet to vote. Telling them "Our democracy is at stake" doesn't move the needle either. This is the school shooting generation. We need to focus on actual gun control. We also need to focus on healthcare. These are the things that I think will sway young voters.

by Anonymousreply 6309/09/2020

[QUOTE] Just remember. The Trump campaign and the RNC are pouring money into these states. And the ad I saw on TV the other night made me real angry. It was a retired Black cop whose daughter was shot by a gang wanting revenge. Then he did a number on Biden with the whole "defund the police." The theme of the ad is that Biden is "too weak."

I’m in a swing state and I can’t remember the last time I saw a Trump ad. They must be mostly on Fox News (which I avoid like the plague).

by Anonymousreply 6409/09/2020

I keep seeing Trump ads on YouTube!

by Anonymousreply 6509/09/2020

Only up 4 in Wisconsin in this new poll from Marquette.

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by Anonymousreply 6609/09/2020

NEW @RedfieldWilton Poll (LV, 8/30-9/4):

#AZsen: Kelly (D) 53% (+15) McSally (R-inc) 38% . #MIsen: Peters (D-inc) 50% (+12) James (R) 38% . #NCsen: Cunningham (D) 47% (+10) Tillis (R-inc) 37% . #NCgov: Cooper (D-inc) 54% (+19) Forest (R) 35%

by Anonymousreply 6709/09/2020

I’ve posted this before, but I know exactly what happened in PA. There were torrential rain storms in the Philadelphia area on Election Day, coupled with temperatures in the 40s.

by Anonymousreply 6809/09/2020

Is Bloomberg still chipping in for Joe?

by Anonymousreply 6909/09/2020

When has he ever chipped in for Joe, R69? He’s been MIA the whole time.

by Anonymousreply 7009/09/2020

Billionaire and former presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg is plotting a massive spending blitz to back Joe Biden’s quest for the White House.

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by Anonymousreply 7109/09/2020

"Then he did a number on Biden with the whole "defund the police." The theme of the ad is that Biden is "too weak."

So the Russiapublicans were behind he whole riots/Antifa thing in the "Democrat Mayor cities" after all. Fomenting chaos via the internet: organize a peaceful protest, then introduce operatives to loot and burn. I figured as much.

by Anonymousreply 7209/09/2020

The election is in God’s hands. We’ll have to wait to see what happens.

by Anonymousreply 7309/09/2020

[quote] The election is in God’s hands. We’ll have to wait to see what happens.

God and Yogi Berra

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by Anonymousreply 7409/09/2020

Yes R72, that's exactly what happens!

GOP/Russia is exploiting existing conflicts for their own benefit. I'm going even as far as Russia deliberately causing the massive refugee storm from the Syrian Civil War towards Europe to foster right wing unrest.

They were behind the Catalan Secession movement, a conflict that has been existing for centuries. But what happened in the last year was pushed by Russia's operatives.

It's not like the US doesn't do the same in other countries, remember the CIA coup in Iran that kept the Shah in power until Khomeini.

The difference between the US and Russia or China is that the US, esp under democratic presidents, promotes democracy and peace in other countries. Or at least tries to minimize an existing conflict. Russia and China never do. A lot of the problems in the middle East stem from Iran being the military and economical ally of Russia.

by Anonymousreply 7509/09/2020

So could we actually be looking at a 2021-22 without DJT and the Kardashians? What's this strange, unfamiliar feeling in my nethers, ma?

by Anonymousreply 7609/09/2020

#New Michigan @Rasmussen_Poll:

Biden 51% (+8) Trump 43%

by Anonymousreply 7709/10/2020

[QUOTE] President Trump’s weekslong barrage against Joseph R. Biden Jr. has failed to erase the Democrat’s lead across a set of key swing states, including the crucial battleground of Wisconsin, where Mr. Trump’s law-and-order message has rallied support on the right but has not swayed the majority of voters who dislike him, according to a poll conducted by The New York Times and Siena College.

[QUOTE]Mr. Biden, the former vice president, leads Mr. Trump by five percentage points in Wisconsin and by a wider, nine-point margin in neighboring Minnesota, a Democratic-leaning state that Mr. Trump has been seeking to flip with his vehement denunciations of rioting and crime.

[QUOTE]The president has improved his political standing in Wisconsin in particular with an insistent appeal to Republican-leaning white voters alarmed by local unrest. But in both Midwestern states, along with the less-populous battlegrounds of Nevada and New Hampshire, Mr. Trump has not managed to overcome his fundamental political vulnerabilities — above all, his deep unpopularity with women and the widespread view among voters that he has mismanaged the coronavirus pandemic.

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by Anonymousreply 7809/12/2020

Bloomberg donating $100 million to the Biden campaign in Florida to free up campaign funds to shore up the Democratic effort in other states, particularly Pennsylvania.

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by Anonymousreply 7909/13/2020

Yeah well Bloomberg is no stranger to talking a good game and not following through, so the Dems better not go pulling resources from Florida just yet.

by Anonymousreply 8009/13/2020

NEW Wisconsin poll:

Biden 50%

Trump 43%

margin of error 3.5%

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by Anonymousreply 8109/13/2020

Does anyone know what Erik Prince is up to? Because the threats of violence coming from the Trump people are getting pretty open. I'm talking about guys like Roger Stone or Caputo. Caputo is urging Trump supporters to "buy enough ammo now because there won't be enough on inauguration day when Trump refuses to leave and calls for armed resistance! Now, IMO that's a lot of bullsh!t because we'll know his plan before that. I guess they want to stoke the drama with a visual picture of him. But this is getting disgusting. The cops and the military are not to be trusted. I think they're as divided as the rest of the country.

by Anonymousreply 8209/15/2020

I don't have any faith in the polls so I just ignore them. I'm quietly hopeful and slightly confident but it all depends on everyone getting out and voting.

I can't how how it could be possible to live with another 4 years of Trump.

by Anonymousreply 8309/15/2020

What does PollTroll say? I want his interpretation.

by Anonymousreply 8409/15/2020

[QUOTE] Because the threats of violence coming from the Trump people are getting pretty open. I'm talking about guys like Roger Stone or Caputo. Caputo is urging Trump supporters to "buy enough ammo now because there won't be enough on inauguration day when Trump refuses to leave and calls for armed resistance!

R82 the talk of violence among Trump supporters is simply a reflection of the divisive tone coming from the candidate they support, who traffics in angry rhetoric and never denounces anything from his side. Trump believes that this kind of talk and atmosphere is good for him, so many of his supporters are following his lead and spouting this nonsense without fear of rebuke from the candidate. If the Republican candidate was a more sensible fellow like John McCain then these rightwingers would keep their thoughts to themselves for fear that he’d denounce them, but since they know that won’t happen with Trump they feel free to let their freak flag fly.

by Anonymousreply 8509/15/2020

Jeff Greenfield suggests taking the average between the top two conflicting polls to arrive at the correct number. So 8 up in one poll and 6 up in another =7.

by Anonymousreply 8609/15/2020

Loser trash threaten people with violence. It makes sense that it would be Dump's go-to and he would encourage his followers in that regard. They are the refuse of society and belong on the very fringes.

by Anonymousreply 8709/15/2020

Polls are tightening very fast which is always worrying but still Biden is performing consistently better than Hillary did throughout the entire race. Also, unlike 2016, there are significantly less undecideds left. Most voters already made up their mind it appears and early voting is already on the way with most voters opting for early casting.

by Anonymousreply 8809/15/2020

Polls are only “tightening” in a sense that pollsters are switching from registered to likely voter models, which lean more conservative. But they don’t really know what a “likely voter” is right now, so Joe could end up actually outperforming these polls if more people who don’t normally vote decide they want to cast a ballot against Donald Trump.

by Anonymousreply 8909/15/2020

[quote] And based on that, it's pretty clear that the race between President Trump and Joe Biden is coming down to just six swing states — Florida, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona. They are getting the lion's share of the TV advertising money from the campaigns and outside groups supporting them.

Are there states the campaign is overlooking? What are Biden's Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania (Hillary's campaign's blindspots), if any?

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by Anonymousreply 9009/15/2020

I don't see us getting Florida Georgia or Ohio. So how ever you calculate the Electoral votes, don't factor them in. I do believe North Carolina is doable, and we will get PA, Wisconsin and Michigan. No Indiana. No Dakotas. Yes to Arizona, and maybe Nevada. IMO Joe will win with 279-280 EV.

by Anonymousreply 9109/15/2020

I think NV is more likely than AZ, R91.

by Anonymousreply 9209/15/2020

R91, I agree. Florida, Georgia and North Carolina are distractions. If Biden can't win Nevada outright, he can forget about Arizona. So those two are important. But his main focus should be on Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Minnesota.

by Anonymousreply 9309/15/2020

Florida has such a long history of cheating that I don't think we should be considering it a possibility at all.

by Anonymousreply 9409/15/2020

I think this is the worst case scenario for Biden, barring any massive October surprise like Trump declaring Martial Law and trying to cancel the election.

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by Anonymousreply 9509/15/2020

Meanwhile, today's battleground states polling.

CNN/SSRS Wisconsin: Biden +11 RV; +10 LV N.C: Biden +5 RV; +3 LV

MORNING CONSULT Minnesota: Biden +5 LV

Wisconsin's polls range from +1 to +11 for Biden, how do you even average that?

by Anonymousreply 9609/15/2020

"That said, people need to stop treating Latinos like a monolith. You'd think they'd be more empathetic to the plight of immigrants, but a lot of them turn their nose up at the undocumented once they get their papers."

In one sentence R26 you manage to completely demonstrate your lack of self-awareness. Not every latino is a first generation immigrant or an "illegal" who only cares about being legalized. Jesus Christ, you must be white as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 9709/15/2020

In recent interviews on television, he was given the reporter's questions in advance and reads the answers from a TelePrompter. How will he do in a one-to-one debate?

by Anonymousreply 9809/15/2020

I don’t know, R98. He had one a few months ago against Bernie Sanders. How’d he do? Did he stroke out? Did he stop mid-sentence during a response and wander the stage asking the moderators who they were and when would they feed him? I’m sure you concern-trolled here that these things might occur.

Ahh, that’s right, it’s all coming back to me now—none of that happened and Bernie went on to lose primary after primary in devastating fashion.

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by Anonymousreply 9909/15/2020

For what it's worth I was listening to Michaelangelo Signorile's show the other day And he was saying the internal polls that the candidates pay for are more accurate and the Dump team must not be happy because they’re no releasing the info but the Democrats are.

by Anonymousreply 10009/15/2020

You can always tell who's leading by who releases internal polling.

by Anonymousreply 10109/15/2020

Florida poll tax.

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by Anonymousreply 10209/15/2020

PA analysis today.

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by Anonymousreply 10309/15/2020

I’ve been saying for years on here that Pennsylvania is now the most important state in the election. A lot of politicos and journalists still think it’s Florida—wrong. Pennsylvania is the key to everything.

[QUOTE] In fact, Pennsylvania is so important that our model gives Trump an 84 percent chance of winning the presidency if he carries the state — and it gives Biden a 96 percent chance of winning if Pennsylvania goes blue.

by Anonymousreply 10409/15/2020

I think the calculus is that if you lose PA, you need FL and vice versa. So, they are fighting for both, rightfully. Nothing changed. Biden's chances in PA are still higher than in FL.

by Anonymousreply 10509/15/2020

Since my state is pretty locked in and I'm planning to vote early, I would seriously consider going to PA to help with the GOTV operation on election day.

by Anonymousreply 10609/15/2020

R90 New Hampshire is surprisingly close. Biden is only up by 3% in the latest poll there. NH is easy to overlook because it's nestled in among the solidly blue New England states. Al Gore could tell you how dangerous that is.

by Anonymousreply 10709/15/2020

Do it, R106!

by Anonymousreply 10809/15/2020

R107, NH is always close but eventually usually delivers for Dems.

by Anonymousreply 10909/15/2020

Jesus Christ, Hillary won New Hampshire by like 3,000 votes.

by Anonymousreply 11009/15/2020

You've got a friend in Pennsylvania, R106.

by Anonymousreply 11109/15/2020

[QUOTE] CNN/SSRS Wisconsin: Biden +11 RV; +10 LV N.C: Biden +5 RV; +3 LV

I just saw these new CNN poll numbers from today. Remarkable. For Joe Biden to be doing that well in Wisconsin after Kenosha is proof positive that violence and looting on television is NOT good for Trump contrary to all the Eeyoring around here. Joe Biden neutralized that “law and order” bullshit with his speech in Pittsburgh followed by the visit to Kenosha. The American people see the chaos and they trust Joe to handle it by bringing us together, not Trump and his twitter rants.

Maybe this guy knows what he’s doing afterall.

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[quote] For Joe Biden to be doing that well in Wisconsin after Kenosha is proof positive that violence and looting on television is NOT good for Trump contrary to all the Eeyoring around here.

Well, what has Trump done about it, besides use it to try and scare white people? It seems like a sizable number of voters are seeing through all that.

by Anonymousreply 11309/15/2020

49 days left. Feels like an eternity.

by Anonymousreply 11409/15/2020

On election night, I want to see masses of kids in front of the White House screaming "fuck you, loser!" kind of like when Obama won (even though W wasn't running of course).

by Anonymousreply 11509/15/2020

[quote] 49 days left.

Early voting in Texas begins in 28 days. I’ll be there on the first day.

by Anonymousreply 11609/15/2020

Should Biden win, we need to keep the pressure on Cheeto to actually GTFO of the WH.

by Anonymousreply 11709/15/2020

Who will eventually declare who's president and who's not? Scotus?

by Anonymousreply 11809/15/2020

R118, FEC

by Anonymousreply 11909/15/2020

The polls are NOT "tightening." Biden is breaking away again, several points ahead of Trump in most battleground states, as he's generally been for 2 years.

The polls were "tightening" during the RNC Nazi Rally of August. Then Trump's bounce disappeared the very, next week.

Nice try, Boris!

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by Anonymousreply 12009/15/2020

[quote] Who will eventually declare who's president and who's not? Scotus?

Contrary to propaganda, no. The actual person who will literally declare the winner is the President of the Senate, i.e. VP Pence, on January 6th, 2021, after the Electoral votes are tallied.

3 U.S. Code § 15: ... the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States ...

by Anonymousreply 12109/15/2020

Biden really did have a good day of polling today. The polls are mixed up and down, but all of them are +Biden.

by Anonymousreply 12209/15/2020

Biden is winning Arizona and Florida.

by Anonymousreply 12309/15/2020

New likely voter polling from A+ rated ABC/Washington Post:

Wiss: Biden +6

Minn: Biden +16

by Anonymousreply 12409/16/2020

I fear what the Times is cooking-up to spring on Biden's campaign in October. Are they talking to GOP senators? Or even worse, are they talking to the Trump campaign about something with which to play "both sides"?

by Anonymousreply 12509/16/2020

Come to Wisconsin and go outside of Madison. Go around the state and talk to people. These polls are wrong.

by Anonymousreply 12609/16/2020

The weighted average is +6.9 Biden in WI.

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by Anonymousreply 12709/16/2020

Don't count your Democrats until they hatch.

by Anonymousreply 12809/16/2020

+8.9 Biden in MN.

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by Anonymousreply 12909/16/2020

[quote]I fear what the Times is cooking-up to spring on Biden's campaign in October. Are they talking to GOP senators? Or even worse, are they talking to the Trump campaign about something with which to play "both sides"?

I think the press threw everything they had at him during the primaries and nothing stuck. Everything Trump has tried so far, hasn't really stuck. Hunter appears to be behaving himself.

Uncle Joe is likable and a good guy and I think most people have made up their minds one way or the other. I'm not really sure what else could be left.

by Anonymousreply 13009/16/2020

The Times and other media outlets bought into Trump's scandal-o'-the-day press cycle, and now even if they do come up with some kind of last-minute surprise, they'll be somewhat hindered by the fact that nothing sticks in the news for more than a day or two anymore. Which is entirely on them.

Biden's team is using that to their advantage so far, I suspect they'll be able to keep it up just fine. What happens to the news cycle after the Trump era is anyone's guess, though.

by Anonymousreply 13109/16/2020

[quote]Jesus Christ, Hillary won New Hampshire by like 3,000 votes.

That was one of the states that had pretty fast polling turnarounds and we could see the huge hit she took when the Comey letter was released. I was kind of surprised she won it, she had only just barely started recovering from the hit her numbers took by the time Election Day came around.

by Anonymousreply 13209/16/2020

I'm hoping that if Barr or someone like him springs something (in Barr's case, it might be "A grand jury is looking at whether Joe/Hunter Biden should be indicted for XYZ") , and the Times of course gives him a bullhorn (and credibility, because "both sides"), most voters will be able to see through it and it won't change their vote ("Oh, another Comey ploy, yeah we've seen this. Not going to work").

by Anonymousreply 13309/16/2020

[quote] Biden is winning Arizona and Florida.

I think so, too, but FL will be close - like, within 3 points.

by Anonymousreply 13409/16/2020

[quote] I think they key is, and always will be, the 18-22 year olds.

They weren’t the key in 2016.

They won’t be the key in 2020.

They won’t show up.

Money pursuing the youth vote is money wasted.

I’m glad DNC isn’t wasting tons of money on them in this election.

by Anonymousreply 13509/16/2020

The NY Times is especially complicit in everything Trump. All of these endless attempts to understand the Trump voter - they are angry, bigoted white people in the last gasp of the US as they've known it. There's nothing to understand. Maggie Haberman and Maureen Dowd softball editorials. Words like "falsehoods," "misleading statements" instead of calling them what they are: lies. The Times pulled their punches because the endless Trump coverage is good for their numbers and their survival. (The Washington Post has pandered far less, to their credit). At the same time, the media holds Clinton and now Biden to the exalting standards that they would for any normal candidate, while the Trump circus gets a sort of wide-eyed fascination. Of course, the apathetic American public is equally to blame. We should have been marching on Washington with torches and pitchforks back when it all began.

by Anonymousreply 13609/16/2020

I want to marry R136.

by Anonymousreply 13709/16/2020

18-22 year olds couldn’t even be counted on to turn out for Bernie in the primary.

by Anonymousreply 13809/16/2020

The media are trying to pressure the Biden campaign to agree to a fourth debate moderated by Joe Rogan. Despicable.

by Anonymousreply 13909/16/2020

There's a hilarious 30 Rock where the suits are worried about an anti corporate type winning an election and regulating them. Then they see his ad which appeals to the youth vote and they all start laughing. And of course the guy loses.

by Anonymousreply 14009/16/2020

It would be nice if you could post some links to show your work R139.

by Anonymousreply 14109/16/2020

Why is anyone paying any attention to polling? I truly don't understand it. Pure idiocy.

We all know that polls are not reliable and haven't been for the past 5 years or so.

by Anonymousreply 14209/16/2020

Close elections are easier to steal. If Florida is "close" it goes to Trump. The corruption in Florida is deep and firmly established during Scott's terms as governor. They're filth. Now, if the fucking federal court of appeals had not supported the illegal (IMO) establishment of fees and fines for ex convicts, in Florida, blocking them from voting, we would have a chance.

by Anonymousreply 14309/16/2020

What are you talking about R142?

by Anonymousreply 14409/16/2020

R141, it's called Google News.

CNN: A Joe Rogan debate between Trump and Biden is just what we need

Opinion by Alice Stewart

Updated 3:36 PM ET, Tue September 15, 2020

by Anonymousreply 14509/16/2020

One opinion piece by a republican pundit on the CNN site is not media pressure.

by Anonymousreply 14609/16/2020

For the clueless one at R141, type "Joe Rogan Biden Trump debate" and then hit the "Enter" key. The search bar is at the top.

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by Anonymousreply 14709/16/2020

The professionals came to Wisconsin and talked to people outside of Madison, r126.

AND WISCONSINITES ARE SICK OF THE TRUMPSTER FIRE'S BULLSHIT.

by Anonymousreply 14809/16/2020

Biden hits 50% average in Wisconsin, something Hillary Clinton never came close to doing.

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by Anonymousreply 14909/16/2020

1. The Times has been schizophrenic as of late. For every wishy washy "OTOH, Trump said..." article, someone else calls him out for lying in the headline, something they most certainly did not do in 2016.

2. James Fallows' article in the Atlantic yesterday, which specifically calls out the Times for both-sides-ism and other sins should help to but a stop to it as it really laid into the NYT and compared them very unfavorably to WaPo, their main rival.

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by Anonymousreply 15009/16/2020

Great article YMF.

by Anonymousreply 15109/16/2020

Thank you R151

Two nits with it: I think the Times downplayed the Woodward story because it was a WaPo scoop and they were jealous, and (more important) I think the reason the media kept going back to Benghazi is because GOP politicians kept bringing it up and making a big deal over it.

That's something our team doesn't do enough of--they should be out there screaming about Putin's bounties and Trump's downplaying every single day. Instead they say it once or twice and then decide it would be unchivalrous or something to keep mentioning it.

by Anonymousreply 15209/16/2020

DO FLoridian latinos especially those in Miami-Dade not realize the virus and other bad stuff affects THEM more than any other demographic? and whose in charge of everything right now? trump! and yet? and yet? they support him? UH! do they not have eyes, ears or tv's?!

by Anonymousreply 15309/16/2020

There's two things that pollsters aren't asking respondents that should make everyone take these numbers with a grain of salt.

1) How enthusiastic are you about voting [bold] for [/bold] your candidate?

This question matters because if mail in voting gets fucked up and in person voting sees limited polling locations and long lines, a low enthusiasm number signals that people will just not vote, especially if they think Biden has it in the bag.

2) Are you voting in person or by mail?

If respondents say by mail, deduct at least 2-4% of their numbers in the final poll. There will be a ton of challenges by the Republicans and many absentee ballots will get tossed. That's on top of the margin of error that these polls normally take into consideration.

While Trump absolutely cannot win the popular vote, he's close enough in all but one of the swing states to pull off a victory in the electoral college. He may even win states like Nevada and Minnesota that he lost last time, which will make up for a loss in Wisconsin.

by Anonymousreply 15409/16/2020

So in other words, all hope is lost and Trump’s going to win, R154?

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by Anonymousreply 15509/16/2020

"Floridian Latinos" are not a unified bloc, R153

There are well-off white Cubans and even within that group, the older generations are conservative, the younger are liberal.

There are the poor Marielito Cubans

Wealthy South Americans from Venezuela, Colombia and other countries in trouble.

Puerto Ricans who left before and after Maria (mostly in Orlando)

Dominicans.

Other than the Spanish language they don't have much in common.

by Anonymousreply 15609/16/2020

[quote] While Trump absolutely cannot win the popular vote, he's close enough in all but one of the swing states to pull off a victory in the electoral college.

Would be ironic if gay men are Trump's margin of victory.

"Queer men to forgo their morals this November with a thumping 45 per cent vowing to back Donald Trump"

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by Anonymousreply 15709/16/2020

I suspect that poll has zero legitimacy R157.

I mean would you give honest answers to a Grindr poll?

by Anonymousreply 15809/16/2020

R155 I hate to burst the bubble, but you know it's coming.

R157 It's more likely that Trump pulls off enough homophobic black church bigots in key swing states, plus racist Cubans and Dominicans in Florida, to win at the margins. Trump will be lucky to get even 20% of the gay vote, which I think is too high considering his record.

by Anonymousreply 15909/16/2020

This is far more worrisome about the Latino vote in Florida, especially recent immigrants and older people who are not as web-savvy

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by Anonymousreply 16009/16/2020

I spend a minimal part of my day correcting Trump bullshit from his deplorable followers on Facebook. These people are tragically stupid.

by Anonymousreply 16109/16/2020

From the Politico piece, as per R156

[quote] Florida’s Latino community is a diverse mix of people with roots across Latin America. There’s a large population of Republican-leaning Cubans in Miami-Dade and a growing number of Democratic-leaning voters with Puerto Rican, Colombian, Nicaraguan, Dominican and Venezuelan heritage in Miami and elsewhere in the state. Many register as independents but typically vote Democratic. Those independents — especially recently arrived Spanish-speakers — are seen as more up for grabs because they’re less tied to U.S. political parties and are more likely than longtime voters to be influenced by mainstream news outlets and social media.

by Anonymousreply 16209/16/2020

The key thing the media is missing in discussing the electorate, besides the inevitable tossed ballots by mail and voter disqualification due to rising eviction numbers, is the small percentage of religious, homophobic black church goers. They overlook Trump's racism and corruption because he's been talking about crime in their neighborhoods and opposes abortion. It's crazy that this is the hill they choose to die on for supporting someone so odious, but they are unshakeable in their support.

In a close race, they will tip the scales to Trump in most of the swing states, with the exception of Nevada. Wisconsin is out of Trump's reach now with the Democrats successful efforts to throw Kanye and Howie Hawkins off the ballot, but it would have made a difference there too if they had failed to do so. It's also worth pointing this out because, for Democrats, black church people came out in droves for Biden before Super Tuesday in South Carolina thanks to the endorsement by Jim Clyburn. If Biden loses this fall, then they need to take a heavy amount of blame and responsibility for the loss. Even though the media will try to shut down that discussion, this defeat will be largely on their hands.

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by Anonymousreply 16309/16/2020

R163 has racial issues. Pray for him

by Anonymousreply 16409/16/2020

[quote] I think Joe can get Arizona as well.

Hmmm, who to pick -- guy who deeply respects and honors the memory of our sainted war-hero former senator, or draft-dodger who has done nothing but shit on him and his accomplishments from Day One?

by Anonymousreply 16509/16/2020

[QUOTE] Florida’s Latino community is a diverse mix of people with roots across Latin America. There’s a large population of Republican-leaning Cubans in Miami-Dade and a growing number of Democratic-leaning voters with Puerto Rican, Colombian, Nicaraguan, Dominican and Venezuelan heritage in Miami and elsewhere in the state.

Everytime I read about Latinos in Florida all I can picture is hot young Latin guys walking around shirtless with the sun glistening off their moist golden skin.

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by Anonymousreply 16609/16/2020

R166 = failed writer of romance novels.

by Anonymousreply 16709/16/2020

R166, Evander Kane is not Latin, dude

by Anonymousreply 16809/16/2020

Hot blonde chick, whom the news will cover, brings forth new allegations against Cheeto.

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by Anonymousreply 169Last Thursday at 8:09 AM

One thing I really hate: his disapproval/approval doesn't change.

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by Anonymousreply 170Last Thursday at 9:23 AM

It shows how cultish his 44% is

by Anonymousreply 171Last Thursday at 9:25 AM

I think his true cult is about 32%. I think there are voters out there who are totally clueless about politics, and they lean conservative. Evangelicals might be a good example. It's not that they love his filthy ass, it's about stupidly following their pastors, who have been paid off to support Trump and preach against Gays, Abortion, and "socialists." These people are also racists and those commercials are worrying them. The ones Trump is targeting towards older voters who believe the Blacks are coming after they to burn down their houses.

by Anonymousreply 172Last Thursday at 9:29 AM

I've been trying a different tack with a couple of Trump supporting cousins. They like his personality. They're the original "low information voters." I asked them if they would allow a close friend of theirs to handle their money, or their healthcare? Now this friend of theirs is an imbecile. They know he is an imbecile. I told them that I get it. They like Trump. But A. You can like someone and not give them the keys to your house. and B. No one agrees with a politician 100% of the time. Sometimes they mess up. You can still like them, but you don't have to vote for them. They seemed open to think about it, look at it differently. I hope it works. They also worry about peers and co-workers who support Trump. I told them, no one needs to know who you vote for. No one. They both work together at an assisted living facility and they have seen some bad shit. So maybe this approach will work.

by Anonymousreply 173Last Thursday at 9:34 AM

R173 here. I also thought about telling them to vote absentee and do it at the last minute...so their ballots will be at the top of the pile....I know.

by Anonymousreply 174Last Thursday at 9:36 AM

Turning Trumpists into silent Biden voters - good job, R173!

by Anonymousreply 175Last Thursday at 9:40 AM

Excellent, R173. I like that approach for the cultists: give them a permission structure.

by Anonymousreply 176Last Thursday at 9:43 AM

Bravo, r173!

Sow those seeds! People have to come to their own conclusions to change their minds but if you can plant a seed, it will grow.

by Anonymousreply 177Last Thursday at 10:05 AM

Another annoying "Is he doing enough for Latino voters" article.

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by Anonymousreply 178Last Thursday at 11:48 AM

Ay caramba!

by Anonymousreply 179Last Thursday at 11:52 AM

R173! THE REALLY SCARY AND SICKENING thing is that you or ANYONE knows people that like trump's personality! really? REALLY??? WHAT human would like a mean asshole, illiterate, weirdo loony bullshitter? SERIOUSLY if he was a nobody, NO ONE whose both sane and has a ounce of normalcy would think his personality is "entertaining"?..he's the weirdo at the end of the bar, that everyone would and should run away from!..

by Anonymousreply 180Last Thursday at 11:58 AM

I'm telling you these are not political people. They will spend their entire lives being victims of government policy with no desire or understanding of how to speak up and fight. They identify with The guy on the Apprentice. "YOU'RE FIRED!" They are totally steeped in tabloids and T bullshit, reality TV, etc. There are millions of them all over this country. In my family there are three. Get over yourself.

by Anonymousreply 181Last Thursday at 12:14 PM

Biden is a hollow man. Sadly I think Trump will win.

by Anonymousreply 182Last Thursday at 12:18 PM

R181.... so so true..... i have a sibling who likes trump and why? she liked him on the apprentice... Of course she's uneducated, never watches the news and is totally clueless about anything of politics, government, issues and of importance..

by Anonymousreply 183Last Thursday at 1:04 PM

[quote] Biden is a hollow man.

🙄 Yeah, right. 🙄 Whatever that is supposed to mean.

[quote] Sadly I think Trump will win.

I think that tRump is an idiotic moron, who is going to lose and will drag the Repuke Senate majority down with him.

by Anonymousreply 184Last Thursday at 1:10 PM

I'm tired of the Latino articles, because they're stupid. If Latinos want to vote for the guy who called them murderers and rapists, then do it. But here's the thing, voting for Trump isn't going to make them white and when the police pull them over, it's not gonna be all cool because they voted for Trump. It doesn't work like that. I get the Cubans, most of them pass anyway.

by Anonymousreply 185Last Thursday at 1:31 PM

R185... so so true! at the end of the day they'll still be "latinos" and they'll die in greater numbers with the virus and even without the virus under trump!..

by Anonymousreply 186Last Thursday at 5:04 PM

Trump isn't going to lose Wisconsin I'd put money on it.

by Anonymousreply 187Last Friday at 1:39 AM

R187, good luck.

by Anonymousreply 188Last Friday at 4:51 AM

77 chance now. I haven't seen it that high before.

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by Anonymousreply 189Last Friday at 5:33 AM

Biden is going to have to provide a reason to vote for him or else the default will be Trump.

by Anonymousreply 190Last Friday at 5:34 AM

[quote] Biden is going to have to provide a reason to vote for him or else the default will be Trump.

Seriously, find another site to troll.

by Anonymousreply 191Last Friday at 5:42 AM

Bloomberg's advertising people have been unleashed! Get the popcorn.

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by Anonymousreply 192Last Friday at 6:00 AM

^* That’s an updated version of the Priorities USA now classic “Exponential Theeat” ad, which will go down as the most memorable ad this election cycle. They’re running it anew thanks to a big donation from Bloomberg.

I remember when the original came out in the spring, there was a debate among Dems if we should start hitting Trump for the pandemic early or risk backlash if the country wants to rally around the so-called president. Priorities might have been the first to say “Fuck that” and unleashed the hounds with blistering Coronavirus ads, sinking Trump’s poll numbers instantly.

by Anonymousreply 193Last Friday at 6:09 AM

[QUOTE]That’s an updated version of the now classic “Exponential Threat” ad from Priorities USA*

by Anonymousreply 194Last Friday at 6:11 AM

CIVIQS 11-15 September (RV):

Wisconsin: Biden +7

Pennsylvania: Biden +7

Michigan: Biden +11

by Anonymousreply 195Last Friday at 8:00 AM

[quote] Evangelicals might be a good example. It's not that they love his filthy ass

No, Evangelicals are practically ready to declare that he’s the fourth member of the Trinity.

by Anonymousreply 196Last Friday at 10:53 AM

News from NC.

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by Anonymousreply 197Last Friday at 11:35 AM

[quote]Biden is going to have to provide a reason to vote for him or else the default will be Trump.

There's some truth to this actually. Hillary had built up her connections to the Latino community for decades.

by Anonymousreply 198Last Friday at 11:49 AM

Right. When I'm hungry and offered bread or horseshit I need a REASON to choose the bread. It isn't enough that the horseshit is, you know, HORSESHIT.

by Anonymousreply 199Last Friday at 2:05 PM

R199.. well said, then again, there ARE millions who can't decide between horse s hit and bread because more or less their equal in how bad they are! truly trumpsters and trump himself are a indictment of our country...

by Anonymousreply 200Last Friday at 2:21 PM

I kind of despise the youth vote: they’re all talk and purity tests. I’m so angry.

by Anonymousreply 201Last Friday at 7:49 PM

R201 = Boris, still waxing his boner to delusions of Democratic voters not showing up.

They’ve showed up all year and Republicans are toast.

by Anonymousreply 202Last Friday at 9:24 PM

[quote] DO FLoridian latinos especially those in Miami-Dade not realize the virus and other bad stuff affects THEM more than any other demographic?

It really doesn’t. Miami Dade& most FL Latinos are Cuban. Cubans have received preferred immigration status (immediately amnesty) since the early 1960s and were given scholarships & good jobs because they were considered anti-Castro when Castro was our enemy. They are middle class & upper class.

It’s illegal immigrant Latinos who are suffering because they don’t have health insurance & are afraid to get deported, so they don’t seek medical help. They don’t quarantine because they need to go to work; they don’t have sick pay. They have larger households because they have more children & several generations live together, so more people are present in one house. Also, several families are crammed into one house on different floors & in the basement. Diet is poor. One person gets covid, the whole household gets it.

Puerto Ricans are also better off than illegal aliens because they are citizens. Sometimes Puerto Ricans & Cubans get pissed that people mistake them for illegal aliens & get an attitude about them.

by Anonymousreply 203Last Saturday at 12:19 PM
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