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WHET Jamie Frame?

Is he still a doctor?

Does he ever come home to visit his mom?

And, most importantly....is it true he gave Cass Winthrop a handjob in the parking garage of Tops?

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by Anonymousreply 316September 20, 2020 10:30 PM

Continuing the discussion from here

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by Anonymousreply 1July 22, 2020 7:31 PM

Jamie should have been an important legacy character with the show until the end, like Tad Martin. Instead he become dull under Larry Lau and a non entity as played by Russell Todd. Imagine if Gregg Marx had taken over fo Larry Lau.

by Anonymousreply 2July 22, 2020 8:49 PM

[quote]Imagine if Gregg Marx had taken over fo Larry Lau.

I'll imagine Richard Bekins returning, if it's all the same to you.

And thanks to ORD for recentering us in Bay City.

by Anonymousreply 3July 22, 2020 9:07 PM

Mmmmm, Richard Bekins ...

by Anonymousreply 4July 22, 2020 9:21 PM

I thought this thread could use this.

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by Anonymousreply 5July 22, 2020 9:24 PM

It was absolutely ridiculous for Jamie to suddenly become a doctor after being an author. He was a sensitive soul!

by Anonymousreply 6July 22, 2020 9:32 PM

R3 You're welcome!

by Anonymousreply 7July 22, 2020 9:36 PM

Did anybody watch the Lewis family reunion on The Locher Room today?

by Anonymousreply 8July 22, 2020 9:47 PM

I wish someone could post a good quality video of the first episode of grown-up Jamie #1 when he was in Wyoming with Blaine. Tim Holcomb was yummy but a very tentative actor so he was gone after two cycles-or was it just one?

by Anonymousreply 9July 22, 2020 9:50 PM

The appeal of watching four Marahs was, I am afraid, lost on me. Eager to hear how it went, though.

by Anonymousreply 10July 22, 2020 9:51 PM

forget jamie frame! whatever happened to the gorgeous masculine long haired hunk stud dangerous derek? whew! so so sexy he was!....

by Anonymousreply 11July 22, 2020 9:55 PM

I want all four Jamies at their prime to take turns having their way with me!

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by Anonymousreply 12July 22, 2020 9:57 PM

I like the Marah’s they had on. Shame they could never do much with Shayne. Somebody said he should have been gay and Reva, of all people, having issues with it.

by Anonymousreply 13July 22, 2020 10:03 PM

Why’d you post a picture of that Jamie? Laurence Lau and Russell Todd were both so dreamy.

by Anonymousreply 14July 22, 2020 10:05 PM

Richard Bekins was hotness personified!

by Anonymousreply 15July 22, 2020 10:08 PM

The mention of Gregg M reminds me that I still need to see the Locher Room with Hillary, Gregg and Scotty B

by Anonymousreply 16July 22, 2020 10:11 PM

r15

how do we know that?

by Anonymousreply 17July 22, 2020 10:22 PM

@Alan can we Zoom reunion from my prison cell?

by Anonymousreply 18July 22, 2020 10:23 PM

I'm watching the Locher Room with Rick Hearst...Jesus Christ, he does not age! So dreamy still.

by Anonymousreply 19July 22, 2020 10:36 PM

There should be a Locher Room with once-closeted actors from these canceled soaps who are now out.

by Anonymousreply 20July 22, 2020 10:56 PM

R20 That would have been perfect for Pride.

by Anonymousreply 21July 22, 2020 10:57 PM

[quote] Shame they could never do much with Shayne. Somebody said he should have been gay and Reva, of all people, having issues with it.

Billy Kay would have been a good one to play gay Shayne. Marty West, of course, was a little too on the nose as gay Shayne

by Anonymousreply 22July 22, 2020 11:13 PM

I showed the fountain scene to a friend this weekend. He always says soap actors can’t act. His jaw dropped. He watched it twice. He’s a Star Wars fan so when I told him Lando was replaced by Darth Vader on GL he was in disbelief.

Yes we socially distanced.

by Anonymousreply 23July 22, 2020 11:27 PM

[quote] There should be a Locher Room with once-closeted actors from these canceled soaps who are now out.

And maybe Alan can get his old boss, Brian T. Cahill, former Senior Vice President of Procter & Gamble Productions-TeleNext Media, to appear as well.

In his spare time, he enjoys being an organizer of NYC Pride.

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by Anonymousreply 24July 22, 2020 11:56 PM

I keep thinking it would be quite interesting for someone to talk to Ellen Wheeler.

With all due respect to Alan, I don't think he can challenge his old boss. (well, she wasn't exactly his boss but still.)

by Anonymousreply 25July 23, 2020 12:06 AM

R18

Speaking of Jenson what is the latest on her criminal case?

by Anonymousreply 26July 23, 2020 12:39 AM

Last news items were that she sold a house in Brentwood and that she broke her probation.

by Anonymousreply 27July 23, 2020 12:41 AM

R27- She was found NOT GUILTY of breaking her probation.

by Anonymousreply 28July 23, 2020 1:13 AM

R16, that was the best of the Locher Rooms that I've seen so far. I like it when they talk about the show and behind-the-scenes drama, not so much when it's their current lives. Scott Bryce seems like a great guy, every time I've seen him interviewed. He was funny and polite this time (I loved it when he said the script was only a point of reference for the notoriously ad-libbing Elizabeth Hubbard), but I also saw another interview where he lets everyone know what he thought about exec producer Chris Goutman.

HBS had to cut out shortly before the Locher Room ended,which is a shame because they were talking about Ben Hendrickson's suicide. I would've liked to hear what she had to say about it.

by Anonymousreply 29July 23, 2020 1:13 AM

Clearly, if P&G would have continued my helicopter in perpetuity like they promised, I wouldn't have had to deal with the inconvenience of driving my OWN car!

Oopsie!

by Anonymousreply 30July 23, 2020 1:31 AM

R27 She tried to sell the Brentwood house in 2019, but it went off market without a sale. It was re-listed in June 2020, and the status was changed to pending just last week.

by Anonymousreply 31July 23, 2020 1:31 AM

I just posted what I found online. I honestly do not care that much, but thought someone here was asking about it.

by Anonymousreply 32July 23, 2020 1:35 AM

[quote] I like the Marah’s they had on.

O'dear.

by Anonymousreply 33July 23, 2020 2:42 AM

LBB should have been Marah for the remainder of GL’s run. Paul Rauch thought she was too fat.

by Anonymousreply 34July 23, 2020 3:50 AM

Shhhhh... I’m selling my house to move closer to the liquor store.

by Anonymousreply 35July 23, 2020 3:51 AM

If Jensen needs cash, she could be new Jennifer Horton on Days.

by Anonymousreply 36July 23, 2020 3:53 AM

I don’t need cash. I need BOOZE. But give me a helicopter ride to Days and I can have both.

by Anonymousreply 37July 23, 2020 3:55 AM

Russell Todd Shirtless Sauna Scene On Another World - where he cavorts with the other hot men on Another World - all just wearing a towel

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by Anonymousreply 38July 23, 2020 3:56 AM

Tom Eplin looked fantastic there, and so did Jamie Goodwin. And Russell too of course, though I like him better w/short hair.

by Anonymousreply 39July 23, 2020 3:58 AM

R29

What did they say about Hendrikson's suicide?

by Anonymousreply 40July 23, 2020 4:51 AM

New Locher Room announced: Lesli Kay and the chick that played Molly & Holden's daughter on the show

by Anonymousreply 41July 23, 2020 4:22 PM

Thats a Texas size hard pass.

by Anonymousreply 42July 23, 2020 4:29 PM

Oh god, that girl who played Molly’s daughter was so tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 43July 23, 2020 5:03 PM

On this week's Fichtner+Byrne reunion, Locher asked Martha Byrne about Michael David Morrison and she remembered him fondly. She said MDM acknowledged with humor that Caleb was always secondary to heroic Holden and he looked up to Jon Hensley. His death was her first experience w/ tragedy in a professional setting and she acknowledged how the cast helped each other through it.

by Anonymousreply 44July 23, 2020 5:43 PM

btw the little girl that played Marah, actress Ashley Peldon

She has a PHD in psychology and is a practicing psychologist

by Anonymousreply 45July 23, 2020 5:48 PM

Wow! And not so long ago she and her sister were sort of on their way to be the new Landers sisters - the Fug Girls used to make fun of them all the time.

by Anonymousreply 46July 23, 2020 5:57 PM

Oh, that made me cry a little, seeing them all grown up

by Anonymousreply 47July 23, 2020 6:01 PM

Just announced: EON reunion

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by Anonymousreply 48July 23, 2020 7:37 PM

Thanks, R48. I’m curious about how Mark Arnold’s life in London has been all these years.

by Anonymousreply 49July 23, 2020 8:27 PM

Sharon Gabet has crazy eyes that are not helped by her Sharpie brows.

by Anonymousreply 50July 23, 2020 8:30 PM

Sharon looks a bit like KKKrazy Karen in that photo above.

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by Anonymousreply 51July 23, 2020 11:13 PM

Mark Arnold gets more acting work living in London, than he got living in the USA

by Anonymousreply 52July 23, 2020 11:15 PM

What if Richard Marx had played Jamie Frame!!

by Anonymousreply 53July 23, 2020 11:18 PM

Richard Marx the singer?

by Anonymousreply 54July 24, 2020 3:37 AM

I don't remember this at all.....but more proof that John Bolger was stunningly beautiful.

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by Anonymousreply 55July 24, 2020 1:48 PM

Wow, r55. How delightfully 80s.

by Anonymousreply 56July 24, 2020 1:51 PM

Indeed.

by Anonymousreply 57July 24, 2020 2:07 PM

Series aired in 1987. I don't recall the show at all. It only aired 6 episodes before CBS canceled it.

Bolger would have landed the role shortly after GL let him go in Dec. 1986.

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by Anonymousreply 58July 24, 2020 2:21 PM

I love ALL the footage of John in that opening, but not sure which is my favorite shot....at :25 when he's all smiley with his big biceps, or at :40 when he's on the couch flashing his basket, legs apart.

R58 that would explain why I have no memory of it!

by Anonymousreply 59July 24, 2020 2:22 PM

I never miss a Tony Deacon Nittoli sitcom.

by Anonymousreply 60July 24, 2020 2:36 PM

Good grief! It aired on Saturday nights at 8:30 p.m. on CBS opposite 227 on NBC. No wonder it died such a quick death.

I certainly wasn't home on a Saturday night in 1987 to watch it. And my VCR was set to tape Facts of Life, 227 and Golden Girls on NBC.

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by Anonymousreply 61July 24, 2020 2:49 PM

All six episodes of Everything's Relative are on Youtube

by Anonymousreply 62July 24, 2020 2:56 PM

Jason Alexander looks ridiculous with hair.

by Anonymousreply 63July 24, 2020 2:56 PM

And John Bolger looks fantastic with hair!

He looks even better in this than he did when he was playing Phillip on GL.

by Anonymousreply 64July 24, 2020 2:59 PM

I wish that Alan would spice up his questions. For example, he could ask what is your favorite vodka?

by Anonymousreply 65July 24, 2020 3:03 PM

Episode 1 in full.

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by Anonymousreply 66July 24, 2020 3:03 PM

If anyone sees a clip of John shirtless, let me know.

by Anonymousreply 67July 24, 2020 4:01 PM

LOL at R66's clip - at the end the promo is "Stay tuned for Margaret Colin, you'll love her Leg Work!"

I forgot she had a series, too. As did Hillary (the Gene Wilder thing).

by Anonymousreply 68July 24, 2020 4:03 PM

R63 is that really his hair? Looks like a piece to me.

by Anonymousreply 69July 24, 2020 4:05 PM

John was stunning in Parting Glances.

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by Anonymousreply 70July 24, 2020 4:09 PM

long before I ever knew there was another adult Phillip, I knew him as the titty witty guy from Sex and the city

by Anonymousreply 71July 24, 2020 4:12 PM

John Bolger filmed Parting Glances in Sept.-Nov. 1984, just before he landed GL.

And then Parting Glances opened in theaters in big cities in Feb. and March 1986. Wonder how the P&G bigwigs felt about their leading man playing gay on the big screen.

Remember, in 1986, you could probably count the total number of American-made, overtly gay themed movies on two hands.

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by Anonymousreply 72July 24, 2020 4:34 PM

Virtually no one outside NYC and LA saw Parting Glances, so I don't think Bolger's participation was that much of an issue for P&G.

I'd think they were more concerned with how ill-suited he was for the role of Phillip.

But, man, he was good-looking.

by Anonymousreply 73July 24, 2020 4:46 PM

We cannot let the mention of Mr. Bulgy....I mean, Mr. Bolger go by without sharing this clip.

I mean, John thrusting his hips

AND

Bev getting DOWN.

Heaven, folks. Heaven on earth.

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by Anonymousreply 74July 24, 2020 4:48 PM

[quote] "Stay tuned for Margaret Colin, you'll love her Leg Work!" I forgot she had a series, too.

She caught the eye of network executives at CBS and signed her to a development deal - at the time CBS was heralding Margaret Colin as the new modern woman of the 80s.

She headlined two series for them "Foley Square" & "Legwork" - both flopped -

by Anonymousreply 75July 24, 2020 4:49 PM

R69 It has to be a piece, because two years before this series, Alexander appeared in ads for the off-Broadway production of "Personals," and his hair in the front was already pretty thin.

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by Anonymousreply 76July 24, 2020 8:27 PM

I figured r76. It reminded me of that old cartoon, The Hair Bear Bunch.

by Anonymousreply 77July 24, 2020 8:35 PM

Bolger was so handsome but. he. just. wasn’t. Philip.

by Anonymousreply 78July 24, 2020 9:05 PM

I liked him a lot, but his strongest chemistry in his time there was with India. (He was also great with Beverlee.) Didn't bode well for Philip/Beth. His Philip and Evans' Beth just seemed mismatched.

by Anonymousreply 79July 24, 2020 9:40 PM

Bolger has remained very close to Linda Dano.

Someone posted a video prior to the pandemic where Bolger & Snetzner surprised her at one of her favorite restaurants. She arrived to eat alone & they jumped out to surprise her. She was over the moon.

by Anonymousreply 80July 24, 2020 10:05 PM

R80 Remember they both went to OLTL after AW ended, where they played lovers.

by Anonymousreply 81July 24, 2020 10:14 PM

I wish there was still a soap in NY and that I wrote it.

I would cast Bolger and Grant as cousins or brothers or something.

Or maybe even lovers....

by Anonymousreply 82July 24, 2020 10:18 PM

After R75's post I saw a promo for Foley Square on YT.

And oh, wait......who's playing her boyfriend?

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by Anonymousreply 83July 24, 2020 10:24 PM

Bolger, Dano, and Robin Christopher all had great chemistry with each other.

by Anonymousreply 84July 24, 2020 10:25 PM

R84 I wish Robin Christopher had not retired. It would be nice to see her on GH again.

by Anonymousreply 85July 24, 2020 10:30 PM

She's at home with Matt Crane. I'd retire and never leave the house again too! LOL

by Anonymousreply 86July 24, 2020 10:34 PM

When Bolger was one of Samantha's hook-ups in "Sex and the City", they had him in a pair of tighty-whities.

(Season 4, Episode 6, if anyone's interested.)

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by Anonymousreply 87July 24, 2020 11:23 PM

If only R87's photo were scratch and sniff!

by Anonymousreply 88July 24, 2020 11:24 PM

Wow! I didn't know that Justin Deas landed a prime time series (but I do recall him departing Santa Barbara abruptly in 1988 with a sub filling in for his last few episodes).

The prime time show was called Studio 5-B and was set at a TV station. Jeffrey Tambor and George Grizzard were also in the cast.

It aired on ABC in 1989, airing all of THREE episodes before it was cancelled.

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by Anonymousreply 89July 24, 2020 11:55 PM

In 1991 my future husband took me to NYC for the first time. We had dinner at Sign of the Dove. Our waiter was Jon Bolger. I was so excited to see Phillip Spaulding I could barely eat.

by Anonymousreply 90July 25, 2020 1:54 AM

I admire John Bolger for taking a waiter job during a dry spell in his career

by Anonymousreply 91July 25, 2020 1:59 AM

Every actor in NYC has waited tables

by Anonymousreply 92July 25, 2020 4:54 AM

R78, boy ain't that the truth

the most miscast actor//character on soaps ever.

by Anonymousreply 93July 25, 2020 6:19 AM

The new Locher Room is spectacular. Big GL stars.

by Anonymousreply 94July 25, 2020 6:21 AM

[quote][R78], boy ain't that the truth. the most miscast actor//character on soaps ever.

I'd say that's debatable.

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by Anonymousreply 95July 25, 2020 7:13 AM

Seriously r95. What the fuck was up with that? And right after "my baby, my baby, my baby " with the cushions.

by Anonymousreply 96July 25, 2020 8:00 AM

The next Lochar Room is pretty impressive.

Tammy Blanchard, Paul Wesley, Joy Lenz, Brittany Snow, Paul Benedeti

by Anonymousreply 97July 25, 2020 12:38 PM

R95, I don't know what they were thinking with that recast,, Other strange AW recasts were Judi Evans as Paulina and Brian Lane Green as Sam Fowler.

by Anonymousreply 98July 25, 2020 12:51 PM

Poor Brand New Sexy Donna.

by Anonymousreply 99July 25, 2020 1:10 PM

I remember when Jamie was born to Russ and Rachel.

by Anonymousreply 100July 25, 2020 2:08 PM

Jamie really knew how to suck a mean cock.

by Anonymousreply 101July 25, 2020 4:12 PM

I REMEMBER WHEN MAC wore speedos! he looked pretty sexy for a hairy beefy older man...

now why couldn't they put long haired sex on a stick Derek in a speedo? or have a storyline where he HAS TO become a male stripper?!...

by Anonymousreply 102July 25, 2020 6:03 PM

Mac looked hot in that scene with him in just PJs

by Anonymousreply 103July 25, 2020 8:15 PM

Douglas Watson was an extremely handsome older man. His hair was gorgeous.

by Anonymousreply 104July 26, 2020 1:00 PM

Mac/Douglass Watson was my first daddy crush

by Anonymousreply 105July 26, 2020 7:49 PM

glad to hear it wasn't just me, that found douglass watson sexy even at his "advanced" age... how i wish i could find episodes online or on dvd to purchase showing him in his speedos... another hairy beefy sexy daddy of that era or shortly afterwards was michael swann on as the world turns! oh lordy! regularly showed shirtless and yes in speedos, i remember one episode him in green very very snug speedos! obscene it was so sexy!....with these 2 actors watson and swann a viewer could indeed believe they could have any woman they wanted, women young enough to be their daughters even and yes, take women away from young hunks....(i.e. unlike old wrinkled never handsome eric braeden's victor on Y and R!)

by Anonymousreply 106July 26, 2020 9:16 PM

Swan still looks great - some sexy shots of him shirtless with a cigar on his FB - but sadly, that's outweighed by the fact that he's deep in deplorable land.

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by Anonymousreply 107July 26, 2020 9:20 PM

The GL Marsh reunion was great. They did a really good job with casting that role. So good seeing them and they seemed genuinely affectionate about the show and Kim and Robert.

Boy Robert had a hard time coming up with nice things to say about Michelle Forbes. Basically said she was not cut out for daytime and she was miserable with how daytime shows work.

by Anonymousreply 108July 26, 2020 10:43 PM

Marah *

by Anonymousreply 109July 26, 2020 10:43 PM

R108 Where was the comment about Michelle?

by Anonymousreply 110July 26, 2020 10:51 PM

Just watched the Locher room with Yvonne Perry/Allyson Rice/Tom Wiggin/Judson Mills. I am totally blanking on Tom Wiggin being on Guiding Light. And I was totally watching at that time. Any clips of him?

by Anonymousreply 111July 27, 2020 6:59 AM

[quote]Swan still looks great - some sexy shots of him shirtless with a cigar on his FB - but sadly, that's outweighed by the fact that he's deep in deplorable land.

He still looks great! Post the link!

by Anonymousreply 112July 27, 2020 6:59 AM

R112 We can't post FB links here or I would.

by Anonymousreply 113July 27, 2020 2:35 PM

R111 It was near the end and he played a businessman that had some dealings, I am thinking it was with Olivia and the hotel but I could be wrong. Handful of appearances.

by Anonymousreply 114July 27, 2020 2:37 PM

R113 use tinyurl or something, eldergay.

by Anonymousreply 115July 27, 2020 2:38 PM

R114 ok so I wasn’t watching by then. He must have said the wrong date.

by Anonymousreply 116July 27, 2020 2:40 PM

R115 Or even better, let me NOT spend MY precious time doing 20 minutes of work for something that someone ELSE can do on their own. I provided all the information for them to find it. Boom, end of story.

by Anonymousreply 117July 27, 2020 2:43 PM

R116 Yeah it was 2008, I think. It was right before Olivia started to lez out.

by Anonymousreply 118July 27, 2020 2:44 PM

Tom Wiggin always did have a quirky look.....some BDF, for sure.

He looked good here

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by Anonymousreply 119July 27, 2020 2:49 PM

R119 I thought both Judson mills and Tom wiggin still looked fuckable.

by Anonymousreply 120July 27, 2020 3:39 PM

R117 in other words you don’t actually have the link to Michael Swan’s photos. Got it.

by Anonymousreply 121July 27, 2020 3:39 PM

R110 During the first segment with just Kim and Robert.

by Anonymousreply 122July 27, 2020 5:00 PM

I'll enjoy those hot photo, R121, while you are fucking off.

by Anonymousreply 123July 27, 2020 7:48 PM

I can't enjoy looking at him at all. The delplorableness comes through the photos.

by Anonymousreply 124July 27, 2020 7:50 PM

According to comments on the YouTube link to the Locher Room w/Tom Wiggin he was actually on GL twice.

Near the end, as I said above, but ALSO in 1999 (which I don't remember) and he apparently crossed paths with Holly?

See comments

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by Anonymousreply 125July 27, 2020 10:38 PM

Cady did the SOD podcast. She said she bombed auditions for GL and Loving. Anyone have any clue what roles they might have been.?

by Anonymousreply 126July 27, 2020 11:08 PM

Tom Wiggin first appear on my radar back in 1981. He played Joe on Texas, a low-life criminal whom Elena Dekker fell for. Joe and Elena have a love on the run storyline mimicking Luke and Laura's. But they eventually wrote Joe off.

Next Tom was Felicia Gallant's chauffer, Gil Fenton, on AW in 1983 when Felicia was first being introduced. I don't recall any storyline for him. He was just a short-term supporting character.

And then next I know of him, he was on ATWT as Kirk.

by Anonymousreply 127July 27, 2020 11:14 PM

I remember Cady saying somewhere that her GL audition was a few years before she landed AMC.

I am just guessing (chill out, Where Are Your Sources Queen) but wondering if she auditioned for Chelsea? Or, maybe Roxie or Jessie? Just trying to think of what youngish role would have been in that timeline.

Or heaven help her, Lacey Bauer. (In which case she dodged a bullet)

by Anonymousreply 128July 27, 2020 11:17 PM

Perhaps Dinah Marler, r128.

by Anonymousreply 129July 28, 2020 12:12 AM

If she could've played Roxie I bet the role wouldn't have been written out never to return.

by Anonymousreply 130July 28, 2020 12:40 AM

[quote] Next Tom was Felicia Gallant's chauffer, Gil Fenton, on AW in 1983 when Felicia was first being introduced. I don't recall any storyline for him. He was just a short-term supporting character.

He had a romance with Julia Shearer (first played by Kyra Sedgewick, then Faith Ford)

by Anonymousreply 131July 28, 2020 12:48 AM

Tom Wiggin's Kirk may have been the only soap character to use the term "faggot" on any daytime drama. It was when Iva had just discovered Hank Eliot was gay, and she told Kirk. Kind of shocking to hear at the time.

by Anonymousreply 132July 28, 2020 1:34 AM

Tom Wiggin's Kirk may have been the only soap character to use the term "faggot" on any daytime drama. It was when Iva had just discovered Hank Eliot was gay, and she told Kirk. Kind of shocking to hear at the time.

by Anonymousreply 133July 28, 2020 1:34 AM

R129 OMG yes, that might actually be the one.

by Anonymousreply 134July 28, 2020 1:38 AM

R132 Another time on ATWT was when Luke and Noah where stranded out on the road, and one of the frat boys who attacked them called them "a couple of faggots."

by Anonymousreply 135July 28, 2020 5:40 AM

Three other times the word was used was when (ATWT) Luke's high school buddy, Kevin, found out he was gay, and he posted material online that called Luke a "fairy" and a "faggot." Luke repeated the word when telling people about what Kevin had done as well as when he finally got an apology from Kevin. The word was also used on DOOL when Nick Fallon called Sonny Kiriakis a "faggot." Again, it was repeated by other characters (Sonny, Will) when referenced by them about what Nick had done. On GH,. the word was used when a young Lucas Jones was gay bashed by some guy in a bar named Frank. Here again, the word was repeated when what had happened was later investigated, because Lucas himself got thrown in jail for an attack on Frank.

by Anonymousreply 136July 28, 2020 6:57 AM

Let us say a prayer today for Alan Locher and Kim Zimmer who are no doubt having breakdowns over Tom Pelphrey not getting an Emmy nomination for Ozark.

by Anonymousreply 137July 28, 2020 6:26 PM

He was robbed. Seriously. His taxi scene was perfectly acted with high skill.

by Anonymousreply 138July 28, 2020 6:28 PM

Ozark is considered a poor man’s Better Call Saul, though.

by Anonymousreply 139July 28, 2020 6:56 PM

Ozark is great. Regardless, he deserved a nomination for that long scene alone.

by Anonymousreply 140July 28, 2020 7:30 PM

I love Tom P but seriously, I have never seen him in anything where he doesn't do the same yelling/angry/ chest thumping act(which he is VERY good act) so maybe emmy voters were tired of it

by Anonymousreply 141July 28, 2020 8:17 PM

R141 Except his taxi scene was nothing close to that. It was of the highest quality acting. MARY but it was mesmerizing.

by Anonymousreply 142July 28, 2020 8:22 PM

r142

true but do we know what he submitted?

by Anonymousreply 143July 28, 2020 8:26 PM

R143 I cannot imagine him not submitting that. It was the scene critics talked about.

by Anonymousreply 144July 28, 2020 8:34 PM

It's a weird year, Watchmen is going to get everything and a lot of good performances were ignored.

by Anonymousreply 145July 28, 2020 8:35 PM

Richard Bekins was the BEST Jamie.

by Anonymousreply 146July 28, 2020 8:59 PM

But who was the worst? I pick Larry Lau. So dull. Stephen Yates and Russell Todd were boring, too, but at least they were good looking.

by Anonymousreply 147July 28, 2020 9:06 PM

GL chat will be good tomorrow. All had film or prime time success kind of like the Marah chat. All but 1 had success in other genres outside daytime.

by Anonymousreply 148July 28, 2020 9:11 PM

R147 Agree! I never, ever bought that gorgeous Vicky would have anything to do with Dr. Butterface Frame.

by Anonymousreply 149July 28, 2020 9:16 PM

I liked Lau, though he was only interesting to me w/Heche.

Russell Todd was hot, but least believable to me as Jamie.

by Anonymousreply 150July 28, 2020 9:30 PM

I doubt Watchmen will sweep, R145. This is obviously Succession’s year.

by Anonymousreply 151July 28, 2020 9:49 PM

How was he related to Steven Frame, our (RIP) brother George Reinholt?

by Anonymousreply 152July 28, 2020 9:56 PM

Steve Frame was Jamie's father.

by Anonymousreply 153July 28, 2020 9:58 PM

I hope Succession sweeps.

by Anonymousreply 154July 28, 2020 10:50 PM

[quote] How was he related to Steven Frame, our (RIP) brother George Reinholt?

Rachel gave him the child Alice could not and boy did she let Alice know it.

by Anonymousreply 155July 28, 2020 10:52 PM

I just watched the Locher Room with Bill Fichtner. Other than annoyingly bad audio, it was pretty good. It was amusing to hear them try to correct Fichtner that he helped Heather Rattray out of a limo at Lily's first wedding to Holden, not Martha. And Martha's hatred of Goutman oozed out of her from time to time.

by Anonymousreply 156July 28, 2020 11:00 PM

re R155

(clears throat)

"WHERE is the son you've ever given HIM!"

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by Anonymousreply 157July 28, 2020 11:11 PM

Martha has to be tied with Zimmer now for the most Locher Rooms, I think they've both been on four times.

by Anonymousreply 158July 28, 2020 11:12 PM

In my book, Richard Bekins was the best Jamie by far. They should have moved heaven and earth to keep him (helicopter anyone?) or at least given him a 6 month break and then brought his Jamie back. Show should have been moving toward centering the show around his Jamie. The gold standard for Jamies. And for a lot of young actors too!

Stephen Yates was adequate in the role. Certainly handsome but I don't recall much of anything he did. I don't even recall who his Jamie was romantically linked with. For whatever reason, show didn't do too much with the Jamie-Sandy friendship/rivalry that I had enjoyed so much when Bekins was in the role, so his Jamie left me with a feeling of lack. Boils down to he wasn't Richard Bekins and would never measure up (sort of like all the actors who played Alan-Michael after Rick Hearst or all the actors who played Joey Buchanan on OLTL after Nathan Fillion).

Larry Lau surprised me by how good he was. I rolled my eyes at the casting initially (Greg Nelson as Jamie? Riddiculous!) But Lau proved himself very capable. Making Jamie a doctor was a stretch from what Richard Bekins had done with the character, but Lau made it work. Great chemistry with Joanna Going. And good chemistry with Anne Heche as well.

Russell Todd was my second favorite Jamie. Again, he was a far cry from Richard Bekins. Frankly, I can't imagine Todd ever being cast in the role if he'd been Bekins immediate successor; the two were so different. But with two Jamies between them, it worked. Todd really made the part work thanks largely to incredible chemistry with Anne Heche's Marley (one of my favorite pairings ever!). Also, he had a good rapport with Victoria Wyndham, which helped win me over.

by Anonymousreply 159July 28, 2020 11:43 PM

Stephen Yates’ Jamie was linked too Nicole Love but it fizzled.

I seem to recall Larry Lau having gained weight when he played Jamie, and the writers wrote him as this nagging scold to Vicky at times.

by Anonymousreply 160July 29, 2020 12:02 AM

No Jamie rocked short shorts like Stephen Yates.

by Anonymousreply 161July 29, 2020 12:08 AM

[quote]Show should have been moving toward centering the show around (Bekins’) Jamie.

Well, he got more airtime than anyone else, so I assume that was the plan. He was certainly a lot cheaper than Wyndham, Watson and McKinsey. But they worked him to death, I believe that factored into his decision to leave.

I really, really didn’t like Lau. He shared a lot of scenes with the show’s most dynamic actors — Heche, Eplin and Wyndham — and he melted into the background. He was all right with Going because she was pretty milquetoast (though I liked her).

by Anonymousreply 162July 29, 2020 1:48 AM

Bekins' Jamie was a thoughtful, sensitive and intelligent guy, but still not milquetoast. None of the other Jamies ever came close to matching this. They all played quasi-dumb and kind of useless. Bekins' Jamie had believable depth in his relationships with family members -- his mother and grandmother, Mac and Sandy. The other Jamies were just reading lines.

by Anonymousreply 163July 29, 2020 2:15 AM

R157

Has there ever been any female character on soaps that rivaled the trajectory of Rachel? I mean she went from being a cold hearted, evil cunt to being the show's heroine. Talk about a redemption arc.

I HATED her during the Steven/Alice/Rachel mess but grew to adore her.

by Anonymousreply 164July 29, 2020 2:29 AM

[quote] Has there ever been any female character on soaps that rivaled the trajectory of Rachel?

There was Meg on ATWT (when she was played by Jennifer Ashe)

by Anonymousreply 165July 29, 2020 2:30 AM

R164, I loved Rachel when she was played by Robin Strasser. That triangle launched AW into the soap stratosphere. Later on with milquetoast Wyndham, not so much.

by Anonymousreply 166July 29, 2020 2:33 AM

R136 I thought Kevin was cute. I wish they'd given him more to do.

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by Anonymousreply 167July 29, 2020 2:34 AM

I may have posted this before, but my Grandma never forgave Rachel. No matter what Rachel did, all the way to the final episode, Grammy hated her. You'd ask why and she would list all of Rachel's misdeeds from 1967 on and blamed Rachel for, as she said, running Alice out of town.

by Anonymousreply 168July 29, 2020 2:35 AM

[quote]milquetoast Wyndham,

I daresay you’re the only one ever to describe Wyndham this way.

by Anonymousreply 169July 29, 2020 2:38 AM

R168 I so miss this. Impossible now because there are no soaps left, but also because of the internet. The only way back then you knew the history of your soap was to hear it orally from your mother or grandmother.

by Anonymousreply 170July 29, 2020 2:51 AM

[quote] Has there ever been any female character on soaps that rivaled the trajectory of Rachel? I mean she went from being a cold hearted, evil cunt to being the show's heroine. Talk about a redemption arc.

I would say Wyndham made the most dramatic journey as Rachel in the way described above.

But GL's Nola went from hated evil bitch to heroine - Quint a part of her journey as Mac was to Rachel's. Of course Nola had not been an evil bitch for as long as Rachel had, and did not become the center of the show as Rachel did, but I think the reformation part was somewhat similar.

by Anonymousreply 171July 29, 2020 3:29 AM

I know I've said this before here but it bears repeating......

I still think sometimes when I hear "Rachel" of my dear, dear friend who is no longer with us. We became roommates soon after we met, and one afternoon, before a long night shift, he smoked his usual joint.

He told me he was "visiting Miss Rachel" and when I asked what he meant, he said "Visiting Rachel, because gurl, I'm off to Another World!"

xoxo my friend.

by Anonymousreply 172July 29, 2020 3:32 AM

To make us feel old

Rachel Miner, who played young Michelle (during Maureen's death) has a birthday today.

She turns FORTY.

by Anonymousreply 173July 29, 2020 2:20 PM

40! Wow!

But then Maureen Bauer died in January 1993, which was 27 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 174July 29, 2020 2:25 PM

For the handful of us on this P&G thread who watched Texas, the 40th anniversary of its debut is next week.

40 YEARS.

Debuted on August 4, 1980 with Iris flying back to Bay City but her rich ex-lover got the airline to turn the plane around in midflight and return Iris to Houston.

First episode linked below.

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by Anonymousreply 175July 29, 2020 2:36 PM

I know Aunt Liz loved Texas!

I should have been into it but never did get into it, although I think my market may not have carried it for a while.

Beverlee looks the best I have ever seen her in the AW(ish) era in those shots on the boat.

by Anonymousreply 176July 29, 2020 2:41 PM

Looking back on it now, why would they push for another spin-off while Another World was in such a vulnerable state? They use one of the best characters from the show, turn her into a boring, blousy romantic heroine, and expect that to compete with the juggernaut that was GH at the time.

The original idea for Texas was much more intriguing in my opinion. A period drama may have been the right amount of fantasy to compete with GH.

by Anonymousreply 177July 29, 2020 2:53 PM

I loved Beverlee, but Texas was just not worthy of her talents. Ironically, the show would get much better long after she left, when Pam Long took over the headwriting duties as the show careened toward cancellation.

by Anonymousreply 178July 29, 2020 2:55 PM

As big a fan of Texas as I was, I freely admit, it started off very weak. And it didn't help the show was up against Luke and Laura on the run on GH.

Even though many of the Texas characters debuted on Another World for a month in July 1980 before it was spun off into its own show, it was a weak debut. Not a whole lot to lure the new viewer (i.e., ones who weren't already watching Another World) into the series and get them to stick around.

They had to do some serious retooling of the show about three months into it. And even that didn't work to well.It wasn't until they got rid of Paul Rauch and hired Gail Kobe as producer in June 1981 that things really began turning around. (that had to have hurt Rauch's ego being replaced by a woman).

By Dec. 1981, everything was falling into place nicely. The final year, 1982, was amazing. I was glued to the show. Ironically, AW was having one of its worst years ever in 1982. So bad that Paul Rauch got fired.

by Anonymousreply 179July 29, 2020 2:56 PM

[quote] Ironically, the show would get much better long after she left, when Pam Long took over the headwriting duties as the show careened toward cancellation.

Well it got some juice when they axed Iris romance with Alex and returned her back to the schemer - watched some old episodes where she was battling Paige and the venom she spitted out was gold - I think Pam was responsible for turning Iris back into the villain, but by then it was too late to keep Bev on the show as she wanted out

by Anonymousreply 180July 29, 2020 2:58 PM

all i remember from TEXAS was beverly and guys wearing speedos....

by Anonymousreply 181July 29, 2020 2:58 PM

I was in grade school at the time. So I started watching Texas and the next time I saw it, maybe the following summer, they had changed the theme song and it was now Texas: The New Generation. And Harley Jane Kozak and some guy were searching for some ancient artifact. Was that all Gail Kobe?

by Anonymousreply 182July 29, 2020 3:03 PM

Harding Lemay said it best about Texas and Bev - that she was a wonderful actress but that she had an edge, and that edge was best used in a character that was unsympathetic. (I'm paraphrasing.)

Lady of the manor Iris just didn't work.

by Anonymousreply 183July 29, 2020 3:09 PM

It still seems kind of crazy to me that Pam Long was acting, then writing the show.

by Anonymousreply 184July 29, 2020 3:10 PM

Beverlee was a last minute addition to Texas. I think she was literally added to the story Bible within the last 2 or 3 months before Texas debuted in Aug. 1980.

They'd always planned to spin Texas off of Another World. That's why Carla Borelli's Reena came to Bay City in Oct. 1979; so viewers would know the character when they spun her off into her own soap. Reena was intended to be the Iris of the Texas show in that she was worshiped her father and was super obsessed with him, just like Iris was of Mac. They even introduced Reena's parents, Striker and Victoria, in a 3-month story arc in early 1980 so viewers would be familiar with the family dynamic when the show was spun off.

From what I have read/heard over they years, Beverlee was tired of playing Iris and didn't intend to renew her contract with AW in early 1980. Around this same time, Beverlee broke her collar bone and was out recovering for several months, with Carole Shelley subbing for her. I think that time off made Beverlee want to leave AW even more.

So, to lure Beverlee back, they offered her a lot of money and the lead in Texas even giving her star billing. Obviously it worked, but a longterm story for Iris was never really worked out in advance.

As a result of inserting Iris into the show at the last minute, Reena and the Bellman family, which was supposed to be the central family of Texas, got sidelined. Original plans called for the Bellmans to have four children -- Reena and her sister Samantha plus twin brothers. There was even passing reference to these characters while Reena was in Bay City. By the time Texas debuted character of Samantha was changed to Reena's cousin while the twin brothers were dropped entirely.

by Anonymousreply 185July 29, 2020 3:17 PM

I had no idea, Liz!

by Anonymousreply 186July 29, 2020 3:20 PM

Pam Long didn't start writing for Texas until summer 1982. So, it was only the last 6 months of the show that Pam had direct influence over. However, apparently Pam had been going to Gail Kobe with story suggestions for a good 6-12 months before that. Her ideas were good enough that Kobe let her try her hand at writing some scripts and those were good enough that Kobe then made her HW.

Those of us who watched will recall that Pam's character of Ashley disappeared in a flash flood in Oct 1982. That was to get the character off the show so Pam didn't have to split her time doing both acting and HWing. .

As for Harley Jake Kozak's Brett Wheeler and Randy Hamilton's Ricki Dekker searching for the Hitopah artifact, that was late 1981/early 1982 and was Gail Kobe's doing, but before Pam was HW.

Thanks to GH's Ice Princess ratings success, many other shows tried their hand at doing sci-fi type plots. The Hitopah storyline was Texas' answer to that.

by Anonymousreply 187July 29, 2020 3:30 PM

I don't remember, what did Hitopah do? Was it some artifact to control the world?

by Anonymousreply 188July 29, 2020 3:44 PM

This is fascinating stuff. I never watched Texas, but this sort of behind the scenes info is great. More, more!

by Anonymousreply 189July 29, 2020 3:45 PM

All I remember was Ruby and Lurlene, and was it Bubba Wadsworth? I also crushed on an actor who was there in the beginning. I was young and stirred things down there. He was a cowboy type, moustache, in his 30s, not much of an actor. And he said Paige was a snake. Either his first or last name was Curtis.

by Anonymousreply 190July 29, 2020 3:59 PM

Kate Marshall was the "Miss Ellie" character of Texas

They even had Lurlene call her "Miss Kate"

by Anonymousreply 191July 29, 2020 4:03 PM

Anyone recall that Ted Turner's WTBS station in Atlanta (carried on cable as Superstation TBS) started running repeats of Texas in half-hour segments in spring 1983, a few months after the show was cancelled. Those repeats lasted for about a year as I recall.

Rather than start with the debut episode, TBS started with episodes from Nov 1980 when Iris was marrying Alex Wheeler at the Top of the World club. A derranged Elliot Carrington shot Alex with long-range rifle from the building across the street just as the minister pronounced them married.

Elliot (Daniel Davis), back from being held as a prisoner of war in Cambodia (or maybe Vietnam), went crazy after learning that he was not Dennis Carrington's biological father, that Alex Wheeler was Dennis' father instead. But Iris believed it was Justin Marshall who had shot Alex and set out to get revenge. That was the beginning of turning Iris back into a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 192July 29, 2020 4:04 PM

Jerry Lanning as Justin Marshall was one of the best characters on Texas. They should've sub-planted his character on Guiding Light to fill the void left by Robert Newman - have Justin Marshall battle the Lewis family, with Reva stuck in the middle falling in love with Justin

Instead they created Kyle Sampson, to do that storyline

And Pam later wrote another character for Jerry Lanning to be a love interest to Reva, but that didn't work. It might have worked if they moved Justin Marshall at that point when Kyle & Maeve were together.

by Anonymousreply 193July 29, 2020 4:05 PM

[quote]Kate Marshall was the "Miss Ellie" character of Texas. They even had Lurlene call her "Miss Kate"

Calling an older neighbor you like and respect by their first name with the "Miss" before it is a very Southern thing to do.

by Anonymousreply 194July 29, 2020 4:07 PM

Rikki Dekker was hot, but the spelling of that name.

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by Anonymousreply 195July 29, 2020 4:12 PM

Pam Long wanted Jerry Lanning to play Billy Lewis, but the network vetoed it. Said they'd already brought in too many actors from Texas.

Jerry would have been perfect as Billy, although Jordan Clarke certain did a great job in the character. Billy Lewis and Justin Marshall were certainly cut from the same mold. Jerry had been FANTASTIC on Texas as Justin.

GL brought in Jerry Lanning as the Cain character in early 1986, apparently intending him for Reva. This was just as Pam Long was leaving on maternity leave. Subsequent HWs turned Cain into a psycho and got rid of him quickly. If Pam has stayed, I'm sure she could have made the Cain-Reva pairing work.

But when Pam got back from maternity leave, they asked her to HW Search for Tomorrow instead. But it was too late for that show. Thanks Brian Frons.

I was surprised when GL fired Jordan Clarke in 1993 that they hired a lackluster Geoffrey Scott (best known for playing Krystal's first husband Mark Jennings on Dynasty) to play Billy rather than Jerry

by Anonymousreply 196July 29, 2020 4:16 PM

[quote] I was surprised when GL fired Jordan Clarke in 1993 that they hired a lackluster Geoffrey Scott

He was let-go due to his drug addiction. When he cleaned up, they welcomed him back to the show - on a non-contract basis. So that if he slipped & re-lapsed, they could fire him again

by Anonymousreply 197July 29, 2020 4:20 PM

[quote]He was a cowboy type, moustache, in his 30s, not much of an actor. And he said Paige was a snake. Either his first or last name was Curtis.

The character was Clipper Curtis, an ex-football player who was manager of the Top of the World club. Actor was Scott Stevensen. He was a sleazy character (I think he blackmailed Paige Carrington over something) and they wrote him out after a year or so.

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by Anonymousreply 198July 29, 2020 4:22 PM

Thanks r198.

Not as I remember him. I'm embarrassed at my taste as an 11 year old.

by Anonymousreply 199July 29, 2020 4:26 PM

I’d love Another World to come back as a digital show

by Anonymousreply 200July 29, 2020 4:28 PM

[quote]I don't remember, what did Hitopah do? Was it some artifact to control the world?

It was an native American artifact of some kind. Not sure what its exact power was. Don't think the show ever made that clear. Ruby Wright's first husband Beau has stolen it from an ancient Indian burial ground known as Hitopah. Or somehow he was in possession of it. Anyway, when he tried to open the artifact, gas inside it killed him instantly and mummified his body in seconds.

Ruby and her best pal Lurlene found the mummified body. Scared the police would think Ruby had killed Beau, they tried to dump his body somewhere. But after dumping it in a deserted area, they retrieved it and dumped it someplace else. It was all done very humorously. Ruby and Lurlene were the Lucy and Ethel of the show.

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by Anonymousreply 201July 29, 2020 4:37 PM

R190, I knew Scott Stevenson briefly about 15 years ago. We’d meet up at the Actors Equity lounge in NYC. He hadn’t aged well. He was straight but I got the distinct impression he’d let men suck him off for job opportunities. He was featured in After Dark magazine in the early 70s when he was in the musical revival of Good News (he was also a football player in that).

by Anonymousreply 202July 29, 2020 4:41 PM

La Bev got final position in the Texas opening, just before they said "Texas Starring Beverlee McKinsey"

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by Anonymousreply 203July 29, 2020 4:46 PM

But after Bev left, it was a shirtless Randy Hamilton who got the final position in the opening.

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by Anonymousreply 204July 29, 2020 4:47 PM

And there's Pam, around :19.

by Anonymousreply 205July 29, 2020 5:00 PM

PS: I'll make a note to WHET a Texas character for one of these threads!

by Anonymousreply 206July 29, 2020 5:01 PM

Carla Borelli should have been a big star. Was surprised another soap didn't scoop her up after Texas was cancelled. Her Reena was amazing.

Instead, Carla had a short arc on Falcon Crest in 1985 or 86. And then she was back on AW as an entirely different character for about two weeks in 1987. And before Texas, she had played Mary Anderson on Days for about a year.

But Carla found true love on Texas. She and Donald May met on Texas and have been together ever since.

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by Anonymousreply 207July 29, 2020 5:03 PM

Jerry Lanning should have had a bigger career as well. He was certainly one of the break out stars of Texas.

Jerry had been on Search for Tomorrow in the late 70s as Nick D'Antonio. Then he got Texas, where he was one of the lead characters. In fact, he got the final line in the final episode of the series, saying "To Texas"

After that, other than his 6 months as psycho Cain on GL, Jerry's only other soap gig was briefly subbing as Russ Matthews on AW when David Bailey was out sick.

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by Anonymousreply 208July 29, 2020 5:11 PM

Don't forget Texas lured Kin Shriner away from General Hosptial to be one of its stars.

He played Jeb Hampton, the brother of Ginny Marshall. But the show never did anything with him. They tried pairing him with Catherine Hickland's Courtney Marshall but that didn't work.

Paid him some big bucks and then never used him. This is another example of how unorganized the show was when it was getting started. Bring in big names then don't have anything for them to do (Brad Bell often practices that philiopshy of casting on B&B).

Finally after a year, Kin asked to be released from his contract and they obliged. Kin went back to GH just in time to catch the wedding bouquet at Luke and Laura's wedding.

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by Anonymousreply 209July 29, 2020 5:25 PM

R192 Did TBS air the Texas repeats as a companion to their own little remembered original P&G soap The Catlins, which began in the spring of 1983.

by Anonymousreply 210July 29, 2020 5:34 PM

I'm surprised that AW or ATWT didn't pick up Pam Long to write at some point. I wonder if she lost interest in daytime.

by Anonymousreply 211July 29, 2020 5:36 PM

Yes r210. The Texas repeats aired immediately after The Catlins. So, the station had an hour long block of soaps there. The Catlins aired at 11 a.m. and Texas repeats at 11:30 a.m.

by Anonymousreply 212July 29, 2020 5:37 PM

Well, it was TBS, so it was 11:05 a.m. and 11:35 a.m.

by Anonymousreply 213July 29, 2020 5:38 PM

I would love to see more of The Catlins, for some reason it is rare for a soap to be set in the South. I'd imagine the South would be a natural for a soap, especially a Southern Gothic style one.

by Anonymousreply 214July 29, 2020 5:41 PM

Pam was HW the final year of Santa Barbara in 1992. She even brought in Kim Zimmer to play her heroine, Jodie Walker, who she tried to pair with A Martinez's Cruz.

But it was too late for Santa Barbara. Pam's writing style didn't blend with the over the top outrageousness of Santa Barbara.

Pam also wrote for OLTL for about 9 months in 1998. Pam's stories were excellent but JFP was the EP and the two didn't really mesh well. JFP managed to transfer blame for many problems at OLTL onto Pam and eventually fired her, hiring Megan McTavish instead.

by Anonymousreply 215July 29, 2020 5:43 PM

[quote] Jerry's only other soap gig was briefly subbing as Russ Matthews on AW when David Bailey was out sick.

He had a three month stint on Another World again in 1999

Ironically his 3 months coincided with the last 3 months of Another World - and he was in the same studio that Texas was filmed in.

by Anonymousreply 216July 29, 2020 5:52 PM

The Catlins is another show that P&G has locked away in its archives.

It was like what soaps must have been like in the 1950s. Ultra low budget. Everything done in one take, so mistakes aired routinely.

by Anonymousreply 217July 29, 2020 5:52 PM

[quote] Pam also wrote for OLTL for about 9 months in 1998. Pam's stories were excellent but JFP was the EP and the two didn't really mesh well. JFP managed to transfer blame for many problems at OLTL onto Pam and eventually fired her, hiring Megan McTavish instead.

There was a gap between Pam Long and Megan McTavish where there was NO headwriter - It was said in the soap press JFP was headwriter, but in actuality it was Harding LeMay who took uncredited head writing duties during this time (billed as "consultant")

LeMay was the one who wove the story of Dorian accidentally running down a pregnant Jessica, but Lindsay being accused of the crime instead.

by Anonymousreply 218July 29, 2020 5:54 PM

[quote] I'm surprised that AW or ATWT didn't pick up Pam Long to write at some point.

Her departure from GL had something to do in part with P&G - she was always butting heads with P&G and there was some kerfuffle about their reluctance to allow her to introduce the Weiss family, a Jewish family. You may remember a character named Matt Weiss who was on for a brief time and interacted mostly with Harley. That was originally supposed to be her love interest.

by Anonymousreply 219July 29, 2020 5:55 PM

[quote] LeMay was the one who wove the story of Dorian accidentally running down a pregnant Jessica, but Lindsay being accused of the crime instead.

Interesting, seeing as Lemay had a very limited view of Ms. Strasser's capabilities.

by Anonymousreply 220July 29, 2020 5:55 PM

Texas also had Lee Patterson as one of its big names and didn't do anything with him either. They just essentially used his name to help launch the show.

Patterson had been hero Joe Riley on OLTL since its beginning. But Patterson left the show and they killed off the Joe Riley character (thus making way for the introduction of the Buchanan family). Not sure if OLTL fired him or Patterson opted to leave. But P&G snatched him up quickly. Or maybe P&G offering him the lead on Texas was the reason he opted to leave OLTL.

Anyway, he debuted as heart surgeon Kevin Cook on AW in fall 1979 and quickly started a flirtation with Pat Randolph. Kevin's wife Reena got wind of this and came to Bay City from Houston (thus the introduction of Carla Borelli's character). Reena put the kabosh on that potential romance but remained bitter rivals with Pat.

When they sent Kevin and Reena back to Houston when Texas began, they tried pairing Kevin with Courtney Marshall (Catherine Hickland) but that didn't work. Soon they wrote off Kevin and Lee Patterson was out of a job.

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by Anonymousreply 221July 29, 2020 6:11 PM

I remember reading somewhere that Harding Lemay called JFP the best EP he'd ever worked with. That really surprised me.

And no, Where's Your Source Troll, I do not have the link to. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 222July 29, 2020 6:15 PM

He did say that R222.

I loved the Ruby character on Texas. The actress, Alexandra Neil, has had a decent career, post Texas.

by Anonymousreply 223July 29, 2020 6:21 PM

Wow. End credits for that first episode of Texas that r175 linked list Patrick Mulcahey as one of the writers. I didn't realize Mulcahey went that far back. I thought he started with GL.

by Anonymousreply 224July 29, 2020 6:38 PM

Mulcahey must not have been at Texas for all that long, because he went to GL as part of Marland's team at some point.

by Anonymousreply 225July 29, 2020 6:43 PM

[quote] The actress, Alexandra Neil, has had a decent career, post Texas.

Alexandra Neil has been on every single NY Soap, even Search for Tomorrow

by Anonymousreply 226July 29, 2020 6:49 PM

Alexandra Neil was that terrible Rose on GL. She was just such a dishrag of a character.

by Anonymousreply 227July 29, 2020 6:53 PM

Fascinating interview with Patrick Mulcahey linked below. It's very LONG, but has some juicy details about the shows and the personalities he worked with.

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by Anonymousreply 228July 29, 2020 6:53 PM

R222 The interview where Lemay calls JFP the best he's worked with is here.

It was a bit before she became well known (infamous?) in the soap world so I think he's saying it like "most people don't know her but this is who...."

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by Anonymousreply 229July 29, 2020 7:04 PM

Watch the Locher Room and Tammy Blanchard just said she was up against Anne Hathaway for the part of Louise in Sam Mendes "Gypsy" and beat her for the part!

by Anonymousreply 230July 29, 2020 7:52 PM

None of the roles Alexandra Neil played on any soap, especially Rose on GL, comes anywhere close to matching the dynamo she was as Ruby on Texas!

by Anonymousreply 231July 29, 2020 7:53 PM

R231 Alexandra Neil played Dawn who died of AIDS on ATWT

by Anonymousreply 232July 29, 2020 7:54 PM

as opposed to Dawn who died of AIDS on AW!

by Anonymousreply 233July 29, 2020 7:58 PM

On The Locher Room - Alan Locher BREAKS the news to Brittany Snow that her on-screen dad Anthony Addabbo (Jim LeMay) died a few years ago

Brittany had NO idea - just stunned.

The family of Anthony Addabbo have refused to release any details about his death, even to this day.

by Anonymousreply 234July 29, 2020 8:09 PM

I wonder if Patrick Mulcahey would show up in flip flops to work with Doug.

by Anonymousreply 235July 29, 2020 8:11 PM

R235 Probably more likely a black leather jockstrap with metal studs.

by Anonymousreply 236July 29, 2020 8:53 PM

I would have sucked young Patrick Mulcahey dry.

by Anonymousreply 237July 29, 2020 8:56 PM

Patrick Mulcahey is a Eucharistic Minister at Most Holy Redeemer. He is also a past Vice-President of the Pastoral Council.

by Anonymousreply 238July 29, 2020 9:05 PM

Porno personified with a prayer book cover, then. That’s how I was described once. Fricking poetic, isn’t it?

by Anonymousreply 239July 29, 2020 9:15 PM

I would have pegged Mulcahey as more of a Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence type.

by Anonymousreply 240July 29, 2020 9:18 PM

Is he still Vice Chairman & Special Events Chair of The 15 Association?

by Anonymousreply 241July 29, 2020 9:33 PM

R21

What is the name of the actress in that picture?

Thanks

by Anonymousreply 242July 30, 2020 12:05 AM

Classic scenes from Doug Marland where Kim Hughes rips into Seth Snyder

"You have gone from Frannie to Sabrina and now to Betsy - now you have gone after daughter number 3."

"Seth, GROW UP" says Kim

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by Anonymousreply 243July 30, 2020 12:43 AM

R242 thinking you might have typed the wrong number? R21 doesn't have a photo

by Anonymousreply 244July 30, 2020 12:45 AM

R243, I would love to have clips of every time Kim told somebody off. What do you think her greatest lecture was?

by Anonymousreply 245July 30, 2020 1:12 AM

R206 these threads should only be named after P&G legends IMO. There were no legends on Texas except Iris.

by Anonymousreply 246July 30, 2020 1:17 AM

If Mulcahy was anti gay let's let it be known. It wouldn't be the first time a gay writer was treated badly.

The Patrick Mulcahy fans are afraid of the shit he spewed earlier in in his career, yes it was SHIT. On someone else's dick. Because Patrick Mulcahy was too important to douche his ass. And he liked Black men.

That black, in his 40s, actor from Loving and GL, proud gay masculine man, had a rough time with mulcahy chasing him around, trying to see him naked, trying to play with his big solid cock.

He left more than one soap because Mulcahy was begging this guy to fuck him.

by Anonymousreply 247July 30, 2020 1:36 AM

r247

who is the proud gay masculine man?

by Anonymousreply 248July 30, 2020 1:44 AM

I'm not here to do your research , r248.

I'm sure the libraries in queens will let you back in tomorrow morning. Namaste.

by Anonymousreply 249July 30, 2020 1:51 AM

[quote] who is the proud gay masculine man?

Problem is the actor is married and not gay - not that the actor can't beard - but I would have a hard believing he is gay

by Anonymousreply 250July 30, 2020 1:58 AM

R201. I loved Ruby and Lurlene/Lurleen too ... they were quite funny to my high school self ... Im remembering that Lurlene had a meathead cowboy boyfriend who was hillbilly hot

by Anonymousreply 251July 30, 2020 2:04 AM

R250 just figured out who it was and came to post the same.

by Anonymousreply 252July 30, 2020 3:22 AM

Who is it, r250/r252?

by Anonymousreply 253July 30, 2020 3:42 AM

r251 Lurlene married Joel Walker in a Christmas wedding a week before the final episode of Texas. I believe Joel was first introduced as a hiking guide/trial guide hired to get the gang of Brett, Rikki and Mark to the Hitopah Indian burial grounds or something like that. Joel was hurt in some kind of accident at Hitopah and ended up temporarily blind. Lurlene nursed him back to health and they fell in love.

Someone asked up thread about Bubba Wadsworth. He was an oil wildcater. He interfered with Justin's plans at Marshall Oil and eventually raped Lurlene before being killed off

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by Anonymousreply 254July 30, 2020 3:47 AM

R253 I don't know if R247/R249 is pulling our leg or not, but the actor in question played Griffin (Marcus's father) on GL in the mid/late 90s.

by Anonymousreply 255July 30, 2020 4:15 AM

Lochar Room Reunion with the ATWT writers are up next: Possil, Cassiello, Dansby, Gibson.

by Anonymousreply 256July 30, 2020 9:28 PM

Addie Walsh would have been the writer to bring me in to that one.

by Anonymousreply 257July 30, 2020 10:44 PM

R256 sounds good!

by Anonymousreply 258July 30, 2020 10:49 PM

Possil?

by Anonymousreply 259July 30, 2020 10:51 PM

The only one I know is Cassiello.

by Anonymousreply 260July 30, 2020 10:55 PM

I recognize Dansby enough to recall its Susan Dansby. Other than Walsh and Courtney Sherman/Simon, I dont really know the longterm under-writers at WT.

by Anonymousreply 261July 30, 2020 10:59 PM

R259

Fossil not Possil (typo)

by Anonymousreply 262July 30, 2020 11:13 PM

Ah hope you and Reena won’t sto tawkin’ to me cos’ of all this ...

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by Anonymousreply 263July 30, 2020 11:29 PM

Fossil is Jean Passante

by Anonymousreply 264July 30, 2020 11:32 PM

Tom Cassielo, interned with Hogan Sheffer then moved up to writer. He also did a blog about soaps for a while in the late 2000s.

by Anonymousreply 265July 30, 2020 11:35 PM

Casiello was also a writer for WWE and currently writes for the Apex Legends video game universe.

by Anonymousreply 266July 30, 2020 11:38 PM

It's Casiello. And yes, he is best known for being part of Hogan Sheffer's team.

He also wrote at various times for Days and Y&R which I think was his most recent gig.

by Anonymousreply 267July 30, 2020 11:39 PM

[quote] ... and Courtney Sherman/Simon...

One of the homeliest soap actresses ever

by Anonymousreply 268July 31, 2020 12:11 AM

[quote] One of the homeliest soap actresses ever

Disagree. Did you see her on SFT?

by Anonymousreply 269July 31, 2020 12:14 AM

If Lochar is going to be having writers on then I wish he'd get them liquored up ahead of time. I really want to hear the dirt they had to spill about the power struggles behind the scenes--especially how the networks pulled the plug on stories, forced them to deal with characters that needed to be written out but the suits made them keep the actor. Or vis a versa.

by Anonymousreply 270July 31, 2020 1:32 AM

Who were the writers who served up all that crap at the end of ATWT? You know...Ameera, the Z Twins , Janet and Liberty, Gabriel, etc. Whoever they were, they have a special place in hell.

by Anonymousreply 271July 31, 2020 1:38 AM

Jean Passanante was the head writer for the last five years of the show (2005 to 2010)

however let's not kid ourselves, Goutman was head-writer and whoever was head-writer was just a "yes man (or woman)" to Goutman

Hogan Sheffer just happened to have better ideas than Goutman, but Goutman always had final say

by Anonymousreply 272July 31, 2020 1:52 AM

Have we been Murieled?

by Anonymousreply 273July 31, 2020 8:03 PM

[quote]Have we been Murieled?

No, oddly enough.

by Anonymousreply 274July 31, 2020 8:04 PM

Nope. Just quiet.

by Anonymousreply 275July 31, 2020 8:05 PM

I can never tell but want to be sure we have an open thread.

by Anonymousreply 276July 31, 2020 8:05 PM

Did we know about this twitter feed?

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by Anonymousreply 277July 31, 2020 8:11 PM

If this thread had been Murieled, you would not be reading this post.

by Anonymousreply 278July 31, 2020 8:15 PM

Thanks for sharing R277. I can't wait to spend a few days going down that rabbit hole. The only thing that bothers me is that I have no idea what happened to the last 25-30 years of my life. I remember so many of those storylines like they were yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 279July 31, 2020 8:28 PM

Interesting, R277! I second thanks for sharing.

by Anonymousreply 280July 31, 2020 9:39 PM

I just watched the AtWT Locher Room with Tom Wiggan, Judson Mills, Yvonne Perry and Allyson Rice and I thought it was his best one yet! No sound issues, no one talked over each other too much, and each person had a decent camera set up. They all seemed to really enjoy each other and had some fun stories! And I could stare at Yvonne's smile all day!

by Anonymousreply 281July 31, 2020 11:13 PM

I couldn't hear parts of it on my computer. What was Tom Wiggin saying about Kathleen Widdoes?

by Anonymousreply 282July 31, 2020 11:15 PM

[quote] What was Tom Wiggin saying about Kathleen Widdoes?

Whenever a new young hunk would join the show, Kathleen would life up her shirt in front of them - and she wasn't wearing a bra.

by Anonymousreply 283July 31, 2020 11:17 PM

R283 MARY!

I mean

EMMA!

by Anonymousreply 284July 31, 2020 11:47 PM

She wanted him but he's gay r282

by Anonymousreply 285August 1, 2020 6:46 AM

Finally a Beth profile!

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by Anonymousreply 286August 1, 2020 1:08 PM

Fuck Beth really did get around

by Anonymousreply 287August 1, 2020 1:18 PM

I just finished reading a bio of Elaine Stritch (yes I created the thread about it elsewhere where I was confused about Elaine vs Eileen Heckart).

Anyway, I had no idea that she crossed personal and professional paths with Eileen Fulton! Eileen played Honey in a production of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf where Stritch (unsurprisingly) played Martha. Later on, Eileen was Elaine's neighbor.

by Anonymousreply 288August 1, 2020 5:59 PM

Beth profile not very good. Long but clips were so fast it was dizzying. But it really showed the character assassination. I would have called her the Complicated not Confused. Or The Character Ruined.

by Anonymousreply 289August 1, 2020 9:14 PM

And Beverlee McKinsey played Honey in London.

by Anonymousreply 290August 1, 2020 10:15 PM

Those character profiles are so dumb. The point of them escapes me.

They're almost as weird and dumb as the total obsessive nerds who remake openings/endings to existing or defunct daytime shows and then point their own voices on it.

Someone did that with the 1960s era CBS identifier intro and his terrible, silibant voice blasted against the microphone - "Thispppth......is CBEthhhhh!"

by Anonymousreply 291August 1, 2020 10:19 PM

Oh yeah, one of McKinsey's obits mentioned she played the role. I wasn't sure if it was n NY or the West End.

by Anonymousreply 292August 1, 2020 10:19 PM

oh fuck, I remember this terrible Paul Valere storyline - it played out in late 86/early 87 if I remember right.

I remember watching the show with my friend's mom, who was a big GL fan and she said, "Never has so much fuss been made about two people that no one gives a shit about!" She was SO right.

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by Anonymousreply 293August 1, 2020 10:25 PM

R293... how these soap opera actors can't keep a straight face making these over the top cheesy promo videos i'll never know!...

by Anonymousreply 294August 1, 2020 11:07 PM

Its a different time, R294. The shows were PRETTY good. They could get away with this ridiculous shit. I was an OLTL/Y&R addict at this point. Also watched GH and GL (I forgot how much I sampled GL until the last year with these recent threads!- I loved Roger's return with that pumpkin/papaya/squash face mask?? I didn't even know who he was but am I insane? I remember Alex?? in a cave?? with Roger with a squash mask!!!! I got bored all the time with GH- it was those dragging "FAX" plots (FAB?") All of that fake FBI shit...in 88/89 so I checked out GL. It had a very OLTL vibe actually but not as over the top- and very similar background music. I learned later that Score Productions scored both OLTL and GL!!!!

by Anonymousreply 295August 1, 2020 11:53 PM

God, I hated that Paul Valere storyline. And Ariane Munker looked like an absolute cunt.

by Anonymousreply 296August 1, 2020 11:56 PM

I stopped watching GL with any regularity by the time I went to college in 1985. I only had time for one show and ATWT was so much better then. It wasn't until 4 or 5 years later that I started watching again because my mom still watched it when I stayed with my parents temporarily between college and grad school. So I missed a bunch of really bad years in between. Gave it up for good again when they killed Maureen.

by Anonymousreply 297August 2, 2020 12:01 AM

[quote] I remember this terrible Paul Valere storyline

That was during Pam Long absence - first P&G hired Mary Ryan Munisteri, then she got fired (it was a disaster), then they hired Sheri Anderson (Days if our Lives) Sheri Anderson wasn't any better.

Finally they got Pam Long to return, and she quickly dumped this story and wrote Christine out of town.

by Anonymousreply 298August 2, 2020 12:07 AM

I never even realized Kim Hughes' sister was on GL!

by Anonymousreply 299August 2, 2020 12:09 AM

[quote] I never even realized Kim Hughes' sister was on GL!

No that was Ellen Lowell Stewart sister that was on GL - Bess Lowell

by Anonymousreply 300August 2, 2020 12:14 AM

R298 Yes, most of the time between Pam One and Pam Two was a total mess. There were some good things like Alan's return, but not too many.

by Anonymousreply 301August 2, 2020 12:18 AM

I meant Ariane Munker, r300.

by Anonymousreply 302August 2, 2020 12:18 AM

R302 Kim Hughes sister was played by Gillian Spencer

by Anonymousreply 303August 2, 2020 12:24 AM

Ariana was on ATWT though at some time, wasn't she? or was it AW?

Not all that interested really, she was terrible.

by Anonymousreply 304August 2, 2020 12:26 AM

I cannot believe Claire Labine FIRED Mary Page Keller on Ryan's Hope, only to replace her with Ariana Munker

Of course look Mary Page Keller career went and Ariana Munker got stuck doing only soaps.

by Anonymousreply 305August 2, 2020 12:28 AM

She was Kim's niece Melinda, not her sister. A daughter of Jennifer.

She was also Marianne Randolph on AW.

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by Anonymousreply 306August 2, 2020 12:29 AM

On The Locher Room the other day they should have had Allison Rice Taylor on for 4/5ths of the conversation and then swappers her out for Susan Batten at the end.

by Anonymousreply 307August 2, 2020 12:30 AM

Ariane Munker also played Carol Ann Stewart on ATWT. Carol Ann’a name became Annie later on when another actress assumed the role. 17 year old Munker was also a temp replacement for 13 year old Jennifer Houlton as Greta on The Doctors-Greta was SORAS’d for just a few weeks while Houlton was away.

by Anonymousreply 308August 2, 2020 5:13 PM

It’s unfortunate they killed Melinda Gray off on ATWT when they did. She sounds like she was interesting-Barbara’s sister, John’s blackmailer.... it would have been fun to watch Kim tell her off during the Marland years.

Of course she would have needed a recast . From what I’ve seen Ariana Munker was underwhelming.

by Anonymousreply 309August 2, 2020 5:19 PM

Ariana Munker was what I like to call a Dishrag. Her parts always called for something more than she could give, but she usually stood doe eyed, like a limp, wet dishrag, and was always underwhelming as a result.

by Anonymousreply 310August 2, 2020 7:03 PM

Don't fight the temptation, you whores!

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by Anonymousreply 311August 2, 2020 7:09 PM

Have we been Muriel’d? Why crickets for the last three days?

by Anonymousreply 312August 5, 2020 4:52 PM

I wondered the same thing....I'll make a new thread to see if there's a jump start.....

by Anonymousreply 313August 5, 2020 9:45 PM

New thread, darlings

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by Anonymousreply 314August 5, 2020 9:50 PM

We also have a second thread

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by Anonymousreply 315August 6, 2020 2:59 PM

Picking up from three threads past (the Grillo thread) Grillo pinged to high heaven particularly when around other hot guys. He was very extra. I think he's bi.

Another one who pinged? Zaslow. Two threads back someone praised Zaslow as not being about ego but about the integrity of the storyline, blah blah blah. He had an enormous ego and was very vain. In his fifties he'd walk around the studio shirtless, which nobody wanted to see, showing off a thick spray tan. The upside to his ego is he had such confidence in his acting he wasn't selfish on camera. That's a huge upside. He was convinced he was the star of his scenes and wasn't insecure about anyone upstaging him. OTOH he was extremely entitled as to his expectation of backstage perks. Roger was meant to be a very vital, sexual middle-aged guy and I won't argue that Zaslow pulled it off on camera but in person was a whole other deal. Not that he was inappropriate around anyone but nobody wanted to see that oiled up torso.

Zimmer's honesty is always pseudo. While she had talent, the ratings never justified her being THE star of GL and if not for Pam Long and later Paul Rauch (whom it was rumored she was fucking) her drawing power would never have put her on the leading lady/A-list category. She was enormously turf conscious, IMO because she knew she had more of a cult following than general audience appeal. In the latter days of the soaps in the 1990s they started paying attention to fan bases instead of to who was raising the ratings when their storylines aired. Many many soap viewers aren't part of a fan base - they just like to watch what they like. Stories in the later days that drew them in were Matt/Vanessa and Brent/Marion. Kim didn't. Alan Michael played by Rick Hearst didn't. I think Holly/Roger did when their stuff was good. Fan bases did letter writing campaigns and phone campaigns and the shows started pandering to them even though the fan bases weren't large enough to lift the ratings.

by Anonymousreply 316September 20, 2020 10:30 PM
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