Coronavirus Freakout 46: Summertime, and the livin' ain't easy

Previous thread.

This is how we need to respond to the maskless. Point, Scream, Spray. " AHHH! Germ spreader! I feel threatened!" and then spray them with lysol"

Love the title! Thank you!

Politico:

Pelosi rejects White House's $1 trillion price tag for pandemic relief

OP, R3, You remind me of this moment from a simpler time, 2007. Fantasia had already beaten all the other contests standing up, this time she showed she could beat them all sitting down.

The Hill:

Republicans considering an outdoor stadium for Florida convention: report

The Guardian:

Some Republican senators to skip national convention due to pandemic

Hospitals in Georgia are filling up fast. Healthcare workers are pissed that it's not being carried on the news.

The Hill: DeVos urges school districts to 'think creatively' about reopening amid coronavirus

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Education Secretary Betsy DeVos urged schools to "think creatively" when it came to reopening procedures on Thursday, while indicating that she agreed with President Trump's threat to redirect the department's funding from schools that do not reopen in the fall.

My man Beto is calling for the Gov. of Texas to resign, talks about the GOP "death cult."

*SWOON*

R10 he looks haggard, but he’s still got 7.5”+

You'd look worn out too if you were single-handedly trying to save Texas from itself.

The haggardness suits him though.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JULY 9 ~ 3:15 PM EST

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🕺 FASHION DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 12,286,916

DEATHS: 554,619

CRITICAL: 58,217

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,193,554

DEATHS: 135,388

CRITICAL: 15,432

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CNN: The variability and "striking" transmissibility of Covid-19 makes the virus the "perfect storm," says Dr. Anthony Fauci.

"Not to be hyperbolic about it — it really is the perfect storm and [an] infectious disease and public health person's worst nightmare. It's a spectacularly transmissible virus. The efficiency with which this transmits is really striking," he said at an event hosted by The Hill.

Fauci explained that the range of people it affects — from those with no symptoms to those who end up in intensive care or die — make the virus "a very complex situation to really get control of."

Florida men busted for selling bleach as ‘miracle’ coronavirus cure

The WHO released a new report today detailing how coronavirus can pass from one person to the next — including through the air during certain medical procedures.

The report also notes that there are still many unanswered questions around airborne transmission and how exactly the virus spreads.

"Airborne transmission of the virus can occur in health care settings where specific medical procedures, called aerosol generating procedures, generate very small droplets called aerosols. Some outbreak reports related to indoor crowded spaces have suggested the possibility of aerosol transmission, combined with droplet transmission, for example, during choir practice, in restaurants or in fitness classes."

Still, "current evidence suggests that transmission of SARS-CoV-2 occurs primarily between people through direct, indirect, or close contact with infected people through infected secretions such as saliva and respiratory secretions, or through their respiratory droplets, which are expelled when an infected person coughs, sneezes, talks or sings," the report said. "Respiratory droplets from infected individuals can also land on objects."

Missouri sleepaway camp closes after 82 kids, staff get COVID-19

Well durrr, r17, they said that in the beginning of the pandemic- that's when everyone was furiously washing all their groceries, letting mail/packages stand for 2 days before opening them, shedding their clothes upon arrival at home and washing them.

Fake 5G coronavirus theories have real-world consequences

Conspiracy theories have driven people to burn cellular equipment. Telecom workers have had to bear the brunt of this.

Telephone engineer David Snowdon was just returning to his van after an assignment repairing a cell site when a car sped past him, spun around and stopped right in front of him. Two men got out of the vehicle and asked him if he had anything to do with 5G masts.

"You better not be or there will be fucking trouble," said one of the men, before kicking the door of Snowdon's van, smacking the mirror around and walking off.

Initially, the 56-year-old from Birmingham in the UK's Midlands region thought that what he experienced was an isolated incident. Then he did some research.

"The next day, I went onto Facebook and there it all was, this big 5G conspiracy," he said in a phone call with CNET. "I thought, I better report this, and when I reported it to our security team, they went, 'Yeah, there's been quite a few.'"

more at link

Unfortunately, many people on these threads proclaim to know all there is to know about this virus based on a report or study they read somewhere. I remember many posters stating that masks wouldn't do any good because so and so said say. That the virus is "definitely " not airborne. That antibody tests were the surest way to reopen the economy. That a vaccine would soon be delivered to save the world. That the virus is no worse than the flu. Etc, etc., Please do all us all a favor and shut the fuck up!

Or that the summer heat and sun would stop the spread. LOL!

Based on current trends, I fear that we will have +1000 deaths again in the US starting next Tuesday

[quote]Missouri sleepaway camp closes after 82 kids, staff get COVID-19

Damn! Respect, COVID-19

Dad - I TOLD YOU I HATE SUMMER CAMP!

I went to Quest Diagnostics today. I got there twenty minutes after opening (because I couldn’t find it). There was a line already of about twenty people. No social distancing. There was a sign saying masks were mandatory and an employee came out to remind people.

I went to the end of the line and stood maybe fifteen feet back from the next guy. After a short time, that guy turned around and saw me, removed his mask, put it on his forehead, and coughed loudly in my direction. There was a whole row of tall bushes to his side he could have coughed into. It was deliberate. I left.

Right now I’m taking medication that lowers my immune system. A lot. I was warned not to go out if I could possibly help it. Don’t even open the windows. I’d wait if I could, but I can’t. So now I get to drive thirty miles to one of the only locations with low traffic and be there at six am. I can’t get an appointment quick enough, I have to go now as a walk in.

I wish these worthless Trump-worshipping pieces of shit that think that’s so funny would get Covid themselves. I can’t even go buy food now. If I got Covid, I couldn’t fight it off. The whole process of trying to get a procedure done has been so slowed down thanks to Covid, I’m a lot worse off than I should have been and now I’m being told it’s urgent. So I don’t have any choice but to go to these appointments and hope to God there’s not some nut job like that at the next one.

North Carolina reports record number of Covid-19 hospitalizations

From CNN’s Eileen McMenamin

Gov. Roy Cooper announced that North Carolina reported the highest number of hospitalizations in the state and the second highest number of coronavirus cases.

“We’re continuing to watch with concern as Covid cases and hospitalizations increase,” he said. “And though North Carolina isn’t a surging hotspot like some other states, we could be if we don’t stay strong in our fight.”

As of today, the state has at least 79,349 lab-confirmed cases of the virus, including approximately 2,039 new cases and about 1,034 people in hospitals, according to the governor. At least 1,461 people have died from the virus.

North Carolina’s Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Dr. Mandy Cohen said the state is in a "critical period."

“We need all hands on deck so we can maintain capacity for our health systems, get our kids back to school and reignite the economy. Our collective hard work to slow the spread of the virus has allowed us to avoid what we’re seeing in other states. But ongoing attention is needed," Cohen said.

New York City mayor cancels large events through September From CNN's Sheena Jones

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio has canceled all large events across the city through September 30, according to a statement from his office.

"As New York has begun its reopening process, accessible open spaces are more important than ever," de Blasio said. "While it pains me to call off some of the city's beloved events, our focus now must be the prioritization of city space for public use and the continuation of social distancing."

Events that do not conflict with "open streets" or "open restaurant" areas can still apply for a permit, the statement said.

De Blasio said large events means things like street fairs, concerts and parades.

"Things that here in the city can mean not just thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people. It's just not time for that," he told CNN on Thursday.

When asked if people would be able to gather to protest, de Blasio said that was an area of sensitivity.

"We understand at this moment in history, people are talking about the need for historic changes," he said. "This is a historic moment of change. We have to respect that, but also say to people the kinds of gatherings we're used to – the parades, the fairs – we just can't have that while we're focusing on health right now."

Coronavirus may cause fatigue syndrome, Fauci says

From CNN’s Maggie Fox

There is evidence that some people develop a long-term fatigue syndrome from coronavirus infections, Dr. Anthony Fauci said Thursday.

“There may well be a post-viral syndrome associated with Covid-19,” Fauci told a news conference organized by the International AIDS Society. The group is holding a Covid-19 conference as an add-on to its every-other-year AIDS meeting.

Fauci said the symptoms resemble those seen in patients with myalgic encephalomyelitis, or ME, once known as chronic fatigue syndrome.

“If you look anecdotally, there is no question that there are a considerable number of individuals who have a post-viral syndrome that in many respects incapacitates them for weeks and weeks following so-called recovery,” Fauci said.

“There are chat groups that you just click on and see people who recovered that really do not get back to normal,” Fauci added. They report symptoms such as brain fog, difficulty concentrating and fatigue that resemble the symptoms of ME, he said.

r26, I'm so sorry that happened to you. Do you live in a stand your ground state? I'd be interested in seeing how a case would unfold if someone shot one of these assholes like you encountered. He was threatening your life so you'd be within your rights to defend yourself, I would think.

Hold me David. I'm scared.

R30, I don’t think so. I called the Quest office after I got to my car to tell them, but because it was so early no one answered the phone. Every extension went to voicemail. I was so pissed.

I just started these meds a few days ago, and every day my immune system is lowered more, so I’m trying to front load things as much as I can. I had to go straight home, leave my shoes in the car, strip naked and all my clothes straight in the washer, take a shower and wash my hair with lots of shampoo, take my sunglasses in the shower with me and wash them with shampoo all over, then put on new clothes and follow myself all around the house to everything I touched and wipe it all down with bleach wipes. After all that, I can’t go out again or I have to do it all again.

What makes this really bad is every appointment I go to is an emergency appointment and so early, if I can’t find the place, which has happened several times, I can’t call anyone because they don’t answer. Not even an answering service in most cases. Just straight to voicemail. You have no idea if they’re giving your appointment away because you’re lost, and you can’t tell anyone what’s going on because they don’t answer the phone. A couple days ago, some assistant gave me the wrong address to an early morning appointment, and it was twenty blocks away on a freeway overpass. I drove in circles for a half an hour trying to find it, and they wouldn’t answer the fucking phone until I missed the appointment. Then the answering service finally answered and gave me the right address. I showed up late and still waited an hour and a half. I wish I’d known that. If only someone would invent a device where you could call other people from your car. I was crying by the time I got there because it was an emergency appointment and the next one available was August 10th. I can’t wait that long. I’d be in the ER and get a huge bill.

Meanwhile Covid gets worse every day and they’re about to end elective surgery again. Luckily, I’m so sick now it’s not elective any more.

R26 Perhaps there's a drive-thru clinic in your area? I'd rather wait and social distance in my own car than stand in line with inconsiderate strangers. GoodRX has a list of clinics by state/city and there are many drive-thrus. I'm lucky there's one less than five miles away from me.

R33, These tests include a urine sample, so I hope not.

In another ten days, I have to get a CAT scan, so that one is definitely inside. I’m just burnt out and want to get my surgery. As soon as I get it, I can stay in and recuperate at home. Right now my diet is so restricted leading up to the surgery that I can hardly eat anything. I can’t eat fruit, spices of any kind, milk products, nothing salty or sweet, tomatoes, some other vegetables, the list goes on. I just want to get it over so I can have a decent meal.

R26, good luck to you. I’m rooting for you and I’m sure most* of DL is too.

Many Walmarts (yes, Walmarts) now have drive thru clinics operated by Quest.

R34 Nothing about urine in the other post at R26. I assumed you (or that poster) was looking to get a COVID test.

And now the deaths (over 100 today)

California +137

Florida +119

New Jersey +106

Texas +102

R26 I’m sure you’ve probably already thought about this, but would it be possible any new offices you have to go to a couple days ahead of time and tell the receptionist you’re a new patient and would like instructions to the office? Once upon a time I worked in a medical office briefly and there was always people calling and asking for instructions. Because we had gotten so many calls from people who got lost, the office staff was aware of the most common mistakes and best landmarks to tell people how to get there. (i.e., We are in a building in the back of the development, look for the blue awning. Use the door on the left side of the building.) There are lots of things you could learn from a telephone call that you can’t learn from google maps.

R34 best wishes to you! Three years ago I was on the “moosh” diet attempting not to die before I got well enough to have a resection. I remember the constant anxiety. I can’t imagine adding in the complications of this pandemic.

From Mark Urquiza's obituary:

[quote]Mark, like so many others, should not have died from COVID-19. His death is due to the carelessness of the politicians who continue to jeopardize the health of brown bodies through a clear lack of leadership, refusal to acknowledge the severity of this crisis, and inability and unwillingness to give clear and decisive direction on how to minimize risk. Mark's daughter Kristin Danielle and daughter-in-law Christine are channeling our sadness and rage into building an awareness campaign so fewer families are forced to endure this.

R39, actually I did do that. The office when I’m going is full of very cunty staff, so I’m afraid to get into it with them too much.

One sent me a nasty voicemail because I told my insurance company they never call back. She basically said I was a liar. I must be persona non grata over there, now every person I talk to there looks at my file and gives me a sour look. The last time I went, I gave my name, the receptionist looked at my file and then spoke in a very nasty tone of voice. I’ve never seen her before.

I told the insurance rep about them not returning phone calls. She kept me on the line with her and called every extension in the place. Straight to voicemail. I wouldn’t be having this surgery without her help, because they would not answer. It took about three days with three different insurance company reps calling before they called back. Now they’re cold and nasty, but they follow up.

The address I was given was twenty blocks from the hospital, and the office was behind the hospital. So they may have done it on purpose. There’s nothing there. It’s a freeway overpass. Maybe somebody thought that was funny.

That doctor is a specialist and he is continually extremely overbooked, and the staff are entitled, nasty people that know you have no choice. I’m really dreading the surgery because I know if I have complications, I’m on my own. They won’t return my calls or check on me, no matter what happens. I’ll have to hope I can guess right when it’s time to go to the ER if things go bad. The surgery is so specialized, probably nobody there can do anything either. I just want to get it over so I never have to go back there.

Thanks Elderlez!

Maryland man may be first person successfully vaccinated against COVID-19

A Maryland man believes he may be one of the first people to be successfully vaccinated against the coronavirus after participating in a trial that has reported promising early results in producing antibodies, according to reports.

David Rach, a graduate immunology student, was the first person to be injected in the trial at the University of Maryland in May, where US pharmaceutical giant Pfizer and German firm BioNTech are working together in the global race to create a vaccine, the Daily Mail reports.

Now, early indications show the vaccine is working by stimulating the growth of antibodies at rates equal or higher to those who have the illness, according to WJLA.

”There is a component of relief seeing that it’s actually producing results, that the vaccine is producing antibodies,” Rach told the news station.

Rach cannot be certain he was given the actual vaccine or a placebo saline solution but after a slight reaction from his second dose, he is convinced he is one of the very few people in the world vaccinated against COVID-19, the outlet said.

He is due to be tested in October to determine if he does have immunity against the virus.

If the trial proves successful, Pfizer said it will produce 100 million doses before the end of the year and more than a billion doses next year, WJLA reports.

And here comes the catch... how much?

I had a weird experience today. I had an appointment with my doctor to get med refills. Usually my clinic has a nurse that calls me once a month because I am 70 and have COPD. I told her that I very likely had covid in Feb. When I got to my appointment they made me go home because I had had Covid. I had seen the doctor in early march but didn't tell him at that time that I thought I had it because when I had it they were not acknowledging that it was even in the country. It didn't occur to me that I had it and it was a very mild case. They didn't call me in time to tell me that the doc was going to call me instead. I asked the nurse today why if I had it in Feb how I could still be contagious today and she said that people have remments and could remain contagious. I think that is bullshit but if that is the case then we are doomed.

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My doctor also said that I should take an aspirin a day because this virus hits your vascular system. I have been taking an aspirin a day and vit D for years and I think that is why I had such a mild case.

R45, I read recently that people still had remnants but they were broken and couldn’t transmit to another person. It’s like an aftertaste, not an active virus. That was about a month ago.

If that nurse is afraid you may have a relapse and be contagious again at any time, that’s like herpes. That could go on forever. What are people supposed to do, become hermits and talk to a basketball called Wilson for the rest of their lives?

I’m wondering if they heard something new recently. They’ve been talking on CNN a lot about aftereffects of the virus, just over the last week or so. Lots of cases of “recovered” people having neurological damage, clumsiness, dropping things, other brain issues. Chris Cuomo says he’s still having problems. I think his wife is too. It’s like it came back in some form for him.

Maybe the doctor is afraid if he gets it he will suffer from neurological issues and he will be unable to practice.

Somebody needs to be doing a Manhattan Project for making better forms of PPE in the U.S. Not only do we not have enough, it’s not good enough. A complete helmet would be nice, more people could wear that comfortably.

R47, baby aspirin is blood thinner. Covid makes blood clots. I wonder how it’s going for people taking Warfarin or similar drugs?

Records show another 11-year-child died from Covid-19 in Florida

From CNN's Denise Royal

An 11-year-old girl from Broward County died from Covid-19 complications, according to data released from the Florida Department of Health.

According to the latest health records, this is the fourth minor in Florida to die of complication from the virus.

Last week, an 11-year-old boy from Miami-Dade county, with severe underlying health conditions, died from Covid-19 complications, according to the Florida Department of Health.

The others were a 16-year-old girl in Lee County and a 17-year-old boy in Pasco County.

[quote][bold]Rach cannot be certain he was given the actual vaccine or a placebo saline solution but after a slight reaction from his second dose, he is convinced he is one of the very few people in the world vaccinated against COVID-19, the outlet said. [/bold]

Clickbait story to get people's hopes up and David Rach attention. Pisses me off.

Guardian-Plans for the fall semester at the University of California, Berkeley, are in question after 47 new Covid-19 cases tied to fraternity parties emerged in the past week. University officials warn the outbreak could jeopardize the ability to move forward with in-person classes in the months ahead.

I am trying to find a Covid 19 test for my sister but everywhere is booked. Who said a test is available for all that need them?

Call Mike Pence's office, r53, and find out where you need to go. He's the one still insisting everyone can get a test. Trump would prefer your sister not get tested.

Haha. Our governor did and it's at least a weeks wait even in the rural places. Then another 10 days to get results. Georgia is broken

r55: Wow. I received my results in 30 mins.

R56, is that the test the white house uses? I heard it's not very accurate...

If this White House uses it, you can rest assured it is not very accurate r57.

I saw Quest diagnostics was taking appointments to have it done if you have a doctors recommendation, R53. Go on Quest’s website and look up all the locations in your area. I found that some do the test, others don’t. I also found there are locations on the outskirts of town that are much less booked, and they have drive up appointment sites at some locations but not others. Go over all the locations in your area. It’s probably appointment only, but check every site. You may have to drive a bit. Some locations open as early as 5:00am.

CNN: Authorities in Kazakhstan have denied a report published by Chinese officials that the country is experiencing an outbreak of "unknown pneumonia" potentially deadlier than the novel coronavirus.

On Thursday, the Chinese Embassy in Kazakhstan issued a warning to citizens living in the Central Asian country that the pneumonia had killed more than 1,700 people.

New cases of the unidentified pneumonia have been increasing significantly since mid-June across the country, said the embassy, adding that in some places, authorities are reporting hundreds of new cases a day.

"This disease is much deadlier than Covid-19," the statement said.

R60 I wonder if it's pneumonic plague? THAT'd get American motherfuckers to wear masks, I promise you.

R60 Update. Apparently the "unknown" was a mistranslation, and/or else China was just trolling.

"It's caused by a careless translation of Kaz health official's updates on regular pneumonia, to which the embassy added the word "unknown" -- and became a misleading news story that some outlets didn't bother to check."

I hope that's the case, Sylvia, I can't handle another global pandemic at the moment, my plate is full.

Andy Slavitt:

In March we didn’t have enough tests or PPE & had hundreds of new cases/day because we hadn’t prepared.

In July we don’t have enough tests or PPE & tens of thousands of new cases/day because we haven’t prepared.

In October as people head indoors & flu season starts, we . . .

A bit OT but I found this “tasteful friends” home listing which seems a wee bit scummy. Yep, the carefree, easy elegance of the Beverly Hills COVID-19 lifestyle that we all aspire to.

“The Beverly Hills Estate is the epitome of what everyone wants right now: high-end features with amenities fit for our new COVID-19 lifestyle. The first ever luxury Covid cleaning room was designed to disinfect and keep all house guests safe. The home’s multi-functional screening room doubles as a “ZOOM ROOM” by day – for homeschooling and business convenience – and a movie theater by night. This almost 12,000 sq ft villa is equipped with a game room, gym, spa, temperature-controlled wine cellar, gourmet chef’s kitchen with La Cornue stove, 10-car garage and 2 staff quarters. Lavishly landscaped grounds with a cascading water pool, spa, shaded seating and bountiful gardens. Situated a block away from the Iconic Beverly Hills Hotel, 926 N. Beverly Drive is luxury living at its finest.”

R62. According to the Guardian, several doctors in the country believe that the extra pnemonia cases/ deaths are most likely misdiagnosed COVID-19 deaths due to faulty testing. I suspect they are right

Statistics in multiple states show an increase in COVID-19 cases predominantly from people in their 20s and 30s, and now doctors say they are also seeing different symptoms among their younger patients.

While fever was originally the first telltale sign of the novel coronavirus, now many don’t ever get one.

“The spectrum of symptoms continues to expand and so younger people often do come in now somewhat to our surprise without fever, and this abdominal pain seems to affect them a little bit more,” said Dr. William Schaffner, an Infectious Disease professor at Vanderbilt University.

Other symptoms include nausea, diarrhea, loss of taste and smell, and severe headaches. Clinics in Nashville say their phones are ringing off the hook with younger COVID-19 patients suffering from debilitating migraines, something they haven’t found a medication that works for yet.

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🐻 TEDDY BEAR PICNIC DAY

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CASES: 12,434,904

DEATHS: 568,416

CRITICAL: 58,806

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CASES: 3,224,334

DEATHS: 135,885

CRITICAL: 15,664

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I wonder if the headaches aren't actually new but that the older patients who were previously the ones coming in just weren't complaining about that part as much because they couldn't, ya know, breathe and stuff.

The statistics are eating themselves.

Look at R29, fishing for a Dorothy Zbornak reference. Well, there you go, dear.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on Friday toughened a requirement to wear masks during the coronavirus pandemic, mandating that businesses open to the public deny service or entry to customers who refuse to wear one.

The governor also expanded where people must have a face covering beyond indoor public spaces. Starting immediately, they have to wear one outdoors if they cannot consistently keep 6 feet (1.8 meters) from non-household members, and while using public transportation, a taxi or a ride-sharing vehicle — with some exceptions.

In a change, violators will now be subject to a misdemeanor fine of $500 but will continue to face no jail time. Children younger than five years old are exempt. You don't have to wear a mask while eating at a restaurant.

Businesses must comply beginning Monday or risk losing their license.

Quest Diagnostics were a nightmare of disorganization and filth before the pandemic, and the have not improved at all.

I had to go last month for my yearly routine labs. Made an appointment, received a reminder email telling me to wear a mask. Someone would greet me at the door, take my temp, ask me covid-related questions, instruct me to sanitize my hands after checking in, and take a seat until my name was called.

The reality: No one at the door, no one in the check in area, no hand sanitizer or wipes provided after registering at with the community iPads that everyone else touched. Fortunately for me, I always have Sanitizer, wipes, gloves. And face masks with me. God help you if you have to provide a urine specimen........you get a large paper cup. The bathrooms are filthy, the probably haven't been cleaned or sanitizer since 1993.

Not ever going back.

FYI, almonds and cherries are natural blood thinners.

Good to know r74.

And don't give grapes to your dog.

My 55-year-old brother got sick in February -- three weeks of flu-like symptoms plus a horrible dry cough and a massive headache. He never gets sick but this sent him to the doctor twice. Tested negative for the flu. They X-rayed his lungs and they were clear, though the cough continues to come back every so often.

Anyway, he takes a blood thinner because of a genetic clotting condition -- I wonder if that saved him from some of the worst complications.

I can't keep up, did they ban all travelers from China???

NUKE them!

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What’s the big deal?

I’m hoping a substantial number of them drown in the subway today/tonight because of Tropical Storm Fay. Rats, I mean.

Gilead Sciences claims to have data that shows remdesivir not only cuts recovery time but also reduces death rates of those infected with Covid-19.

From Forbes.com 7/10/20-

[quote] The market cut its early losses after Gilead Sciences said that its antiviral drug remdesivir—a potential coronavirus treatment—showed positive data in clinical trials.

[quote] The company said in a statement that remdesivir led to a 62% reduction in the risk of mortality compared to standard care, sending Gilead’s stock up 2%.

Florida reported 11,433 new cases of COVID-19 on Friday, just shy of the state’s single-day record of 11,458 new cases reported last Saturday. The state also reported 93 new deaths a day after announcing 120, which was a new high.

More than 45% of intensive care units in Florida hospitals were at capacity or had fewer than 10% of their beds available as of Thursday.

Hospital networks are scrambling to hire more health care workers to expand their COVID units. Last week, hospitals in several cities announced they would again halt or reduce nonemergency procedures to free up space.

Or, in the words of Gov. Ron DeSantis, "Nothin' to see here, folks!"

More on the recent studies of remdesivir: it may be a welcome, helpful treatment, but it is far from "the cure."

[quote] The findings show that 7.6% of patients treated with remdesivir died compared with 12.5% of patients in the analysis who did not receive remdesivir treatment.

🐁 The Christmas Mouse was reportedly spotted at a pizzeria in Brooklyn.

Stomp the little fucker r84!

A plasma shot could prevent coronavirus. But feds and makers won’t act, scientists say.

Scientists have devised a way to use the antibody-rich blood plasma of COVID-19 survivors for an upper-arm injection that they say could inoculate people against the virus for months.

Using technology that’s been proven effective in preventing other diseases such as hepatitis A, the injections would be administered to high-risk healthcare workers, nursing home patients, or even at public drive-through sites — potentially protecting millions of lives, the doctors and other experts say.

The two scientists who spearheaded the proposal — an 83-year-old shingles researcher and his counterpart, an HIV gene therapy expert — have garnered widespread support from leading blood and immunology specialists, including those at the center of the nation’s COVID-19 plasma research.

But federal officials have twice rejected requests to discuss the proposal, and pharmaceutical companies — even acknowledging the likely efficacy of the plan — have declined to design or manufacture the shots.

I just want to know detailed plans for safe delivery of Christmas presents this year. How do you fly a sled overflowing with gifts with reindeer 6 feet apart? How's it going to stay in the air? Do they even have masks to fit? What about Sanitizer, is Purell safe for hooves? And gloves ?

Has anybody even thought about it yet?

WaPo: Harvard Global Health Institute researchers say shutdowns should be mandatory in Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Louisiana and South Carolina, where severe outbreaks are unfolding. At least another 15 states should be weighing the possibility, they say.

R87 Due to the high rate of unemployment and unpaid rent, mortgages, and existing credit card bills, etc., there will be no Christmas presents this year.

How much would the plasma shot cost? for protection of only a few months? probably too expensive.

^THAT is how Trump's fatass has been protected from CV so far!

[quote]Harvard Global Health Institute researchers say shutdowns should be mandatory in Florida

No can do.

Right, R92, because it's Disney and not the motherfucking Repug government that is the problem.

There's nothing forcing Disney to be open right now. Even with spiraling infections and Orlando being very hard-hit, they went full speed ahead anyway.

Corpus Christi, TX is trending because a 6-month-old infant just died from Coronavirus, the morgue is full of dead bodies, people aren’t wearing masks, hospitals are full, GOP wants to hold a gathering to spread the virus more, no response from GOP Gov. Abbott, Senators Ted Cruz and John Cronyn for any help. Cronyn is too busy promoting the opening up of schools on time, telling everyone that kids don’t get COVID. They need to shut down the whole city today!

Utah reports record high number of new Covid-19 cases From CNN’s Konstantin Toropin

Utah has reported a record high number of new Covid-19 cases — 850 — over the last 24 hours, state health data shows.

This is the highest daily case increase the state has reported, according to records that go back to early March.

The previous record for new Covid-19 cases was 729 reported on June 8.

Utah does not have a statewide mask order in place, but at least two counties, Salt Lake and Summit, have been given permission by Gov. Gary Herbert to enact countrywide mandates, according to CNN affiliate KSTU. There is also a new mandate for masks to be worn in K-12 schools.

The governor challenged his state’s residents to get Utah’s seven-day rolling average below 500 cases by August 1 by, in part, wearing masks.

R26 you deserve some help and support. This is terrible that you have to go through all of this. Sending hugs your way.

USA +71,355 new cases today

This is just the beginning - the deaths are usually about 4 weeks behind.

This is horrible to say - but I'll say it again anyway - outside of healthcare and front line workers, I want to see these red states be shamed by their caseloads and deaths.

Every politician that has downplayed and ridiculed Dems needs to be called out and elected out of office. Massive deaths are the only way.

Some of these states’ increased infection rates are caused by Trump rallies, others are caused by Trump telling red states masks are evil.

71,000 is a record, isn’t it? Fauci said it could be 100,000 a day, didn’t he? He wins the Deadpool, because it’s not going down any time soon.

If Florida doesn’t want to shut down, let them stay open. Anyone with an ounce of sense, stay away from there. Let them die. Maybe the Trumpers will commit Coronacide and the rest of the state can be saved.

[quote] 71,000 is a record, isn’t it?

Yes. Back in April, when we were supposedly at the peak, we were averaging about 30,000-35,000 cases per day. Now, we're at double that number, yet a lot of people still seem to think that everything is getting better and there's little reason to worry.

Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms has reinstated Phase 1 reopening guidelines after a steady surge in coronavirus cases. In following Phase 1 guidelines, residents should wear face masks, restaurants should close dining rooms, non-essential city facilities should close and individuals are encouraged to leave home only for essential trips.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp says these guidelines are “unenforceable” — giving deplorables permission to flaunt them ... and dooming more state residents to suffering and death.

Blue states shouldn’t get so cocky. Riverside County in S California recorded another +1,400 new cases yesterday and ICU beds are now at 100% utilization. It’s like we’re all back to square one and the sacrifices of April May June were for naught.

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Illinois cases are going up again and it is freaking me out because I got it 3.5 months ago and didn't produce antibodies so I could get it again.

[quote]Blue states shouldn’t get so cocky.

Indeed:

I’d like to believe that R105 is the typical apocalyptic bs you see all over the Internet. And it very well may be — but as one health expert said on CNN today, summer was supposed to give us a breather from the virus, and look where we are. It will be catastrophic in fall and winter.

R105, this makes sense, because in April, I kept a journal and logged in the daily total at least once a day, sometimes several times a day. I was taking the Johns Hopkins figures off CNN, which we know are behind Worldometer.

You could visibly see the figures advance and multiply day by day. It wasn’t hard to figure out what they would be tomorrow at all. Just look at what it was yesterday and project forward.

While all the “experts” were making these ridiculously low estimates, it was plain as the nose on your face how it would be. And when Fauci or whoever it was made that extremely high prediction that it could be 100,000 a day, several weeks ago, that wasn’t in line with what was happening during the shutdown, but now it is, because they stopped the shutdown.

The original estimate that was shown to Trump back in March or April was 2 million-ish. That was if they did nothing. Remember when he was saying he was told 1 million would be low? He was serious then. Somewhere along the line he and his people decided to forget that.

So now what are we looking at without any shutdown? Two million? Three million? It’s a much more contagious strain now.

I went to the store today and there’s no large bulk bags of beans any more. I read on a prepper site recently that someone was looking for beans and couldn’t find any, so I decided to check. A couple of weeks ago they had a lot. People have been quietly prepping in the last month or so.

The US now has the strain that killed 46k people in the UK in just three months - the most virulent one.

[quote]It will be catastrophic in fall and winter.

Can people just stop with this bullshit. The spread going on now quite obviously demonstrates that Covid is in no way affected by weather, hot or cold. This isn't the flu. This isn't a cold. The reason flus and colds are worse in the winter is that people stay home and congregate indoors in groups. I'm hoping for a super cold winter to keep all the idiots huddling inside, unintentionally self-isolating due to the temperatures. To me, Covid seems to be acting more like weather related violence which goes way up when everyone is out and about during the nice weather and plummets during the cold weather when everyone stays inside.

Of course, that's only in the north. I guess with the inept leadership in the South and weather that never gets cold enough to force people to stay home, the same states that are exploding now will just continue to explode. Eventually the tinder will be gone. Real estate will be cheaper in the next few years in the South and Southwest because of the glut of dead people's homes going up for sale. And all they had to do was put a fucking mask on.

In the UK it killed 46k people out of a 66m population really quickly and now seems to be slowly burning itself out. Many vulnerable people in their 70s and 80s and the diabetics/obese have gone already. Care homes are having to shut down because the older population has been decimated.

The problem about wishing death on red states is that the largest number of COVID cases in places like Texas and Florida right now are in blue counties within the state.

The Top 5 counties for Covid in Florida right now are Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Hillsborough, and Orange - and they were all blue in the presidential election in 2016.

And five of the Top 6 counties for Covid in Texas right now are Harris, Dallas, Bexar, Travis, and El Paso - and they were blue in the presidential election of 2016.

Metro areas with lots of population where the virus becomes rampant - even in red states - are often blue.

Do any of the smartest on DL think we should stop and shut down again like in March, maybe for another month? The stats look ridiculous to me. It seems like a no-brainer. I feel like the US is taking all this too lightly. I believe the science and statistics. It's like we magically keep doing our daily stuff and think tomorrow this virus will simply disappear.

I thought we opened up a month early back at the end of May and I'm from Illinois which has acted relatively responsibly...until now. I feel like now we're just going to say fuck it. Wearing a mask is not the answer to everything. They are a great help but they aren't magic. It seems like everything else it pretty much fine now. Now, our numbers are going up and up. I hope this is just a blip and not a precursor of horror to come.

[quote] It’s like we magically keep doing our daily stuff and think tomorrow this virus will simply disappear.

Idiot Trump, VP and stupid governors are saying just that and their ignorant followers are listening and getting sick. +++cases

Unfortunately, nothing will happen on a national level while Orange Hitler is president. Every state is on its own. Smart states will shutdown when needed. Stupid states won’t shutdown when needed and suffer stupid consequences.

BTW: Nobody is going back to school in August/September. Shit will so bad by then, even deplorable parents, teachers and school boards will say “Hell No!”.

R116, it seems to me that all the schools are planning on having students come back in August. The news keeps talking about different schools plans every night. The archdiocese of Chicago just announced their plans today. U of I announced theirs last week. Students are already returning to campus.

“I hope this is just a blip and not a precursor of horror to come.”

Wait h til the covid zombies start going door to door for medical help and food. Not to mention all the newly homeless.

If schools insist on calling teachers back with no PPE or retrofitting, a lot of teachers are going to quit. Especially in low income neighborhoods, where there’s no money to change anything and the kids need them most.

r117: That’s the *plan*, but it will change as CV gets worse... Schools that are open - will close again due to high infections. And schools that haven’t opened yet - won’t. Watch

Goddamn it, I did NOT need to read that, r105

Has anyone considered that Trump and his administration's handling of the Covid Pandemic is deliberate? Not that he and/or his administration is not just incompetent, not just in denial, it's not that they don't care - they want millions of Americans to get sick from Covid, and to die from Covid.

The smaller the population, the easier it is to control - and to change a Democracy into an Autocracy!

There are some 330 million people in the US. It would take a Black Death level pandemic to make a serious dent in the population.

r122 Why hasn't the White House told Americans bullets will cure COVID-19?

I also think it is deliberate by Trump. He wants as many Americans to die as possible because that is what his boy Putin wants. Putin did not steal the election for shits and giggles. He wants to destroy us. That means you, too, deplorables!

Perhaps R122. More likely they are driven by fear of an anti red wave from two groups.

Group 1. They suspect infection-frightened people ultimately will oppose an anti-science GOP. (See, the 67% who disapprove of Trump’s covid handling.) A small but rapidly growing percent of the public is going to become seriously ill between now and November.

Group 2. They also know financially desperate people will vote against whomever they is view as causing their financial distress. Shutdowns, without relief, will make an ever larger percentage of the public vulnerable and angry.

Early on, the Trump Administration screwed up any hopes of containing the outbreak because tRump wanted “good numbers” - - - and a China deal.

At this point Republicans callously calculate that providing no more relief for ordinary households (thank you Moscow Mitch; and underfunded red state unemployment insurance programs); but instead, encouraging them to risk returning to possibly infected environments to get cash flow, is their only hope of preventing both groups from turning against Republicans in the Fall. It’s a weak hand, but it’s all they’ve got.

They know they will sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives by forcing children back into crowded classrooms. But creating a short term illusion of financial normalcy, even amongst death, is the only chance most of them see to get re-elected.

From Politico's. nightly newsletter, Coronavirus Special Edition: YOU’RE NOT SAFE — Vice President Mike Pence has often said that the latest surge in infections is a function of only a few hotspots, select counties in certain states that can be targeted and extinguished.

In reality, the virus is raging out of control in regions across the country. It isn’t a function of more testing, as President Trump claims. And it isn’t confined to one region, or places governed by one political party.

While [bold]Arizona, Florida and Texas [/bold]are in the spotlight, several other states are reporting alarming numbers, begging residents to change their behavior and warning of dire consequences if they do not.

State officials in [bold]Oregon[/bold] asked residents today to avoid indoor gatherings of more than 10 people and said at the rate the virus is spreading, daily infections could triple in the next month. If that were to happen, “we’d quickly fill hospitals across the state,” said Dean Sidelinger, state health officer.

Oregon’s reopening began on May 15 but the date is less important than people’s behavior, said Patrick Allen, director of the Oregon Health Authority. Too little social distancing and mask wearing has helped fan the spread.

In [bold]South Carolina[/bold], nearly half of all infections have occurred in just the last two weeks and more than 17 percent of tests are now coming back positive.

In [[bold]Alabama[/bold], state health officer Scott Harris said Thursday he is “extremely concerned” about hospital capacity. The state of 5 million people has fewer than 200 ICU beds available, less than at any time since the pandemic began. “This is not sustainable for very long,” Harris said.

Problems are also growing in the [bold]Midwest. Ohio[/bold] reported a record number of new infections today and the number of patients in ICU beds has reached new highs. Republican Gov. Mike DeWine, who has been praised for his deliberate handling of the pandemic, mandated masks for the state’s three largest counties.

In [bold]Indiana[/bold], state health commissioner Kristina Box said Wednesday that she is concerned that the percentage of positive tests has steadily increased over the last week.

In [bold]Wisconsin[/bold], the percent of positive tests more than doubled over the last couple weeks, and a record number of daily infections were reported on Thursday and then again today.

[italic]The one constant message from public health and elected officials in all these states is that the variable that matters most is personal precaution. The virus is everywhere in the country, and it’s spreading at an increasing rate. No matter how careful your governor is, or what party is in charge, or what coast you live on, or if you’re nowhere near a coast, the advice about mask wearing and social distancing remains the same. [italic]

This is a deliberate strategy to create chaos for the election.

The whole world needs to do an eight week New Zealand style shut down at the same time. As long as SARS-CoV-2 is active anywhere in the world none of us are safe. Poor Newfoundland just had its first case after 43 days after re-opening its borders.

Do you think Putin pays Trump for Americans dead?

I hate the its just more testing trolls, but I do think if there had been more testing available in the Tri-State in late March/early April we might have seen infections about 70,000 per day. That said I do think in a week we’ll be well past that.

The infection rate is reduced by 98.5 when both parties are properly masked. That’s better protection than many vaccines. Mask up people!

The “it’ll get better in the summer and come back in the fall” nonsense is based upon thinking a Coronavirus will behave like an influenza virus. It doesn’t and it won’t.

The reason influenza viruses go away in the summer has nothing to do with indoors vs. outdoors. It is based in how that particular virus responds to temperature and humidity.

[quote]Has anyone considered that Trump and his administration's handling of the Covid Pandemic is deliberate?

"The ruling Republican Party has all but given up on containment. Instead they are feeding the American people into the coronavirus meatgrinder.

From the start it has been obvious that Donald Trump would not do anything serious about the pandemic. He has never before faced a problem he could not squirm out of by lying, BSing, whining, or blaming others. He is neither interested in containment, nor would he be capable of doing so even if he were. What matters to him is appearances, specifically coverage of him on cable news. Thus his constant chatter about slowing down the rate of testing so that he won't look bad. And the rest of the Republican Party, because it has become a cult of personality atop an oligarchy, has no choice but to defend whatever he happens to say.

Businesses and schools will simply not be able to open back up this fall without a major containment effort. Trying to bludgeon them into doing so will merely create more outbreak clusters and force them to close right back down again. Which is why that is probably what is going to happen. You can always rely on Republicans to pick the worst of all possible options."

[quote]The “it’ll get better in the summer and come back in the fall” nonsense is based upon thinking a Coronavirus will behave like an influenza virus. It doesn’t and it won’t.

It's not a matter of the coronavirus behaving any differently, it's a change in circumstances that will enable it to spread even more efficiently –– cold and flu viruses will presumably make people more susceptible to covid-19 infection while further straining medical resources, we'll cram millions of kids and adults together in schools, and family and friends will gather indoors rather than having outdoor picnics, pool parties, etc.

R132, if what you say is true colder states could have a much tougher time.

Tokyo hits record daily number of infections as cases mount in Japan

From CNN’s Yoko Wakatsuki in Tokyo and Sophie Jeong in Seoul

Japan recorded 430 new coronavirus cases Friday, its health ministry said -- the first time the country has registered more than 400 daily new infections since April 24, when it was still under a state of emergency over the pandemic.

The nationwide total includes Tokyo’s 243 new Covid-19 cases on Friday, the highest daily jump in new cases in the capital since the outbreak began.

The total number of people infected by the virus in the country so far stands at 21,841 with 995 deaths.

India coronavirus cases top 800,000 as country posts highest daily infections for third consecutive day

From CNN's Manveena Suri in New Delhi

India has registered more than 800,000 Covid-19 cases so far, the country’s health ministry announced Saturday.

It reported a record 27,114 new Covid-19 cases on Friday, bringing the nationwide total to 820,916.

This is the third consecutive day that the country has recorded its highest single-day jump in new coronavirus cases.

As Covid-19 cases continue to soar, Indian cities and states are reimposing strict measures to curb the spread.

On Friday, India’s most populous Uttar Pradesh state issued several restrictions in the state for the weekend in a bid to contain the surge, with only essential services operating.

At least 515,000 people have recovered from the virus to date, the ministry said.

The South Asian nation has so far tested over 11.3 million samples for coronavirus, according to the Indian Council of Medical Research.

Angela Merkel:

"As we are experiencing firsthand, you cannot fight the pandemic with lies and disinformation any more than you can fight it with hate or incitement to hatred. The limits of populism and denial of basic truths are being laid bare."

Los Angeles Apparel factory ordered closed after over 300 coronavirus cases and 4 deaths

A garment manufacturer in downtown Los Angeles with more than 300 employees infected by the coronavirus has been ordered closed after an investigation into the deaths of four workers, county health officials said Friday.

The Los Angeles Apparel had three deaths in June and one in July, prompting an investigation, the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health announced in a statement.

"The death of four dedicated garment workers is heartbreaking and tragic," said Dr. Barbara Ferrer of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health. "Business owners and operators have a corporate, moral and social responsibility to their employees and their families to provide a safe work environment."

Los Angeles Apparel was founded in 2016 by Canadian businessman Dov Charney, who previously founded American Apparel. It was first shut down on June 27 after violating the county's mandatory health orders. The company failed to cooperate with the health department's investigation of a reported coronavirus outbreak, health officials said.

68% of patients at a New York clinic have tested positive for coronavirus antibodies

From CNN's Jacqueline Howard and Amir Vera

New data suggests that working-class and minority neighborhoods hit hardest by coronavirus in the borough of Queens in New York are now overwhelmingly testing positive for antibodies.

But that data doesn't mean those who have antibodies are immune.

The data, first reported by The New York Times Thursday, shows that more than 68% of people tested positive for antibodies at a clinic in Corona, Queens, while 56% tested positive at another clinic in Jackson Heights, Queens. CityMD, which operates dozens of walk-in clinics in New York, confirmed the data to the Times and CNN.

While these two working-class neighborhoods saw high numbers for their antibody tests, only 13% of people tested positive for antibodies at a clinic in Cobble Hill, a mostly white and wealthy neighborhood in Brooklyn. The data suggest that while minority and working-class communities were hit hard by the virus, they may be first to build immunity.

"When you're looking at a large population of people and a large percentage of those people are technically immune to a virus, you could start thinking it'll be almost impossible for the virus to penetrate and for people to get sick," said Dr. Daniel Frogel, senior vice president of medical operations at CityMD.

How coronavirus affects the entire body

From CNN's Maggie Fox

Coronavirus damages not only the lungs, but also the kidneys, liver, heart, brain and nervous system, skin and gastrointestinal tract, doctors noted Friday in a review of reports about patients.

The team at the Columbia University Irving Medical Center in New York City — one of the hospitals flooded with patients in the spring – went through their own experiences and collected reports from other medical teams around the world.

Their comprehensive picture shows coronavirus attacks virtually every major system in the human body, directly damaging organs and causing the blood to clot, the heart to lose its healthy rhythm, the kidneys to shed blood and protein, and the skin to erupt in rashes. It causes headaches, dizziness, muscle aches, stomach pain and other symptoms, along with classic respiratory symptoms such as coughing and fever.

"Physicians need to think of COVID-19 as a multisystem disease," Dr. Aakriti Gupta, a cardiology fellow at Columbia who worked on the review, said in a statement. "There's a lot of news about clotting but it's also important to understand that a substantial proportion of these patients suffer kidney, heart, and brain damage, and physicians need to treat those conditions along with the respiratory disease."

More details: Much of the damage wrought by the virus appears to come because of its affinity for a receptor — a kind of molecular doorway into cells – called ACE2. Cells lining the blood vessels, in the kidneys, the liver ducts, the pancreas, in the intestinal tract and lining the respiratory tract are all covered with ACE2 receptors, which the virus can use to grapple and infect cells, the Columbia team wrote in the review, published in the journal Nature Medicine.

“These findings suggest that multiple-organ injury may occur at least in part due to direct viral tissue damage,” the team wrote.

Wipe out the older population, the less Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid the government has to dole out.

I know two young people under twenty who have tested positive this week. They are asymptotic and have been running far and wide to beaches and parties. I just got tested again yesterday and am waiting for the results.

R140 - the only reason SS is in any bad shape is that they keep taking money out of the fund for other things. SS is easily remedied if they remove the $132,000 cap.

He pays for dead American soldiers, R129. The man hates us and wants to see us destroyed.

Nice graphics

And I could wish that everyone refusing to wear the mask, especially the young dolts between the ages of 18-25, hitting the bars, clubs, beaches, and graduation parties, would all catch a legal dose of Corona and roll over and die.

But I won't, because that would be cruel and heartless, even though it would save a boatload of money.

Oops ....."LETHAL Dose of Corona"

But you knew that.

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We just had our worst Coronavirus day ever in Ohio.

This week, we've seen a record number of cases in several places including the US, Mexico, South Africa , India, Victoria Australia and Tokyo Japan to name a few. The virus is truly spiralling out of control now. There is no end in sight. Sadly, it will get a lot worse before it gets better

[quote]DEATHS: 136,839

We thinking 140K Monday, or will it take until Tuesday?

At least the teachers unions in many states are strong enough to possibly keep this "open the schools" bullshit at bay. Again, though, they are only strong in the states that aren't exploding right now. Fucking Repugs ruin everything.

A friend who is a doctor said he and his colleagues are taking bets on when the second shutdown will occur.

I’d say at some point in the next few weeks. This is getting pretty bad. Unlike in March and April, when governors like Cuomo in NY and Hogan in Maryland we’re willing to take strict measures, the Repug governors in FL, TX, AZ, LA, SC, and AL, are loath to order another shutdown. Of course, their reluctance the first time around has let to the virus spreading out of control now.

Plus, we’re completely rudderless from the top, because the Dotard is in denial. He just wants more of Pence’s “happy talk” lies about the US flattening the curve. 🙄 Morons. All of them in his gigantic orbit are worse than useless.

R152: Yep - by August when the 3-4 week death lag kicks in

Isn’t it too late for shutdowns to be effective? I mean, the virus is everywhere now. There is probably no stopping it. We missed our big chance to contain it.

[quote] a clinic in Corona, Queens

Have they drawn up a petition to rename the neighborhood yet?

R154 I'd like to think that if NYC and Italy can can back from beyond the brink, then other places can. But I don't think those other places have the will, the brains or the balls to do so.

So true. We are fucked!

Statistical observation:

Remember how bad Washington State was in the very beginning? Now more than half the 50 states and DC have a higher "deaths per 1 million" population than Washington State.

Critical cases in the US are slowly creeping up again near 16K. Regardless of the "increased" testing , and the trend of younger people catching the virus, this is one of the most important barometers of future deaths to come. The increase is particularly relevant due to Florida's recent directive to hospitals that it was no longer necessary to report critical cases relative to hospital cases overall

Yep, R158. WIth younger people getting the virus we'll have a whole new trajectory to deal with. Fewer will die, but it seems the long term sequelae in younger patients can be really awful. Looks like we'll. be getting those data sets going forward.

A long-expected upturn in U.S. coronavirus deaths has begun, driven by fatalities in states in the South and West, according to data on the pandemic.

The number of deaths per day from the virus had been falling for months, and even remained down as states like Florida and Texas saw explosions in cases and hospitalizations — and reported daily U.S. infections broke records several times in recent days.

Scientists warned it wouldn’t last. A coronavirus death, when it occurs, typically comes several weeks after a person is first infected. And experts predicted states that saw increases in cases and hospitalizations would, at some point, see deaths rise too. Now that’s happening.

“It’s consistently picking up. And it’s picking up at the time you’d expect it to,” said William Hanage, a Harvard University infectious diseases researcher.

According to an Associated Press analysis of data from Johns Hopkins University, the seven-day rolling average for daily reported deaths in the U.S. has increased from 578 two weeks ago to 664 on July 10 — still well below the heights hit in April.

r140, that was originally the plan here in the US, and it started that way in Washington state, mainly killing old people in care homes, while the rest of us carried on oblivious. If it had continued that way, as it did (at least at first) in Sweden, we probably would have remained oblivious until younger people started stroking out in the streets. Because, surprise, turns out the virus DOESN'T just target the oldz and fatties, and it can fuck you up in a surprising number of horrifying ways without outright killing you (see article at link). But it exploded in NYC, in numbers too high to ignore, and so despite the best efforts of Trump and his obliging troops of COVID deniers, certain local governments and individuals started informing themselves and taking precautions. So though things aren't looking great right now, it could be a lot worse. And you are certainly not helpless to protect yourself.

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R162 I hope that nurse was laughing at him under her N95.

The guy who died, who had at one point thought it was a "hoax," could be directly blamed on Trump. First impressions and all that.

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Speaking of schools, do you think a lot of people will have to pull their kids out of private schools due to reduced income to afford such things like tuition?

[quote] Isn’t it too late for shutdowns to be effective?

I defer to the epidemiologists, but in spite of how far it has spread, a very real and an extremely strict lockdown for three or so weeks should help to seriously cut down on further spread. If we had done that in March and April we wouldn’t be in this mess now. Instead, we dithered away the months, ruined the economy, and failed to effectively stop the spread. Because while many people complied, way too many did not, and those people bitched and complained about it every step of the way. After a perfunctory shutdown, they screamed and yelled to reopen everything immediately. They then went about their lives as if it were 2019. And here we are.

But if the incubation period is 14 days, keeping everyone at home for two or three weeks should help. If everyone really complied, it should stop the rapid spread of the virus.

R122 Bears repeating

Miss Corona is not playing around with these Republican cunts.

Trump wearing a mask for a photo op at Walter Reed Hospital !

Was he told he couldn't set foot inside the hospital unless he wore a mask. Hope so. Hope they shamed the hell out of him.

But of course, Trump being Trump will claim that it was his idea to set a fine example for America because he is the Loathsome Leader.

I've seen some really troubling pictures in the media and SM today. Packed beaches in Barcelona with thousands of people not social distancing or wearing masks. Parties with hundreds of people in Ibiza and lots of partying and boozing in Palmas famous tourist area with thousands ignoring Covid rules and making fun of the few people who were wearing masks.

Tourists in Spain (and probably all over Europe) are acting like Covid is officially over and ignoring rules.

Also read an article about Covid rules in Austria today. Masks and social distancing is no longer required in public and stores and people immediately stopped wearing masks. It was reported that only few people are still voluntarily following the Covid rules.

I guess it's only a matter of time till all these party tourists spread the virus all over Europe again.

R165 Because Steve Fucking Bannon is such a pillar of truth and respectability, yeah ok.

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My school district's board voted in favor of distance learning for 2020-2021 school year.

Meanwhile, all of the students in France went back to school over a month ago.

FYI, Corona Poll Troll, National Free Slurpee Day was canceled due to COVID-19

Never personally have been a fan of the Slurpee, but I did indulge in two Eskimo Pie Ice Cream Sandwiches, which I highly recommend.

Slurpees ain’t what they used to be, anyway. They smell like armpits, for starters.

......

I was dying to try one of those Slurpees until a read the armpit comment.

😝 Even I can't get past that . . . . . . .

Has a little presidential seal on it ... lol!

😡 He's not smiling with his eyes.

Looks to me the death rate is still holding steady at 4% on the U.S. So for all of us who get the virus, 1 out of every 25 will die. Seems to me like horrible odds, especially if by wearing a mask, washing your hands, and staying 6 feet apart can keep you safe.

I just got a job offer and dread going in Monday. Any advice appreciated.

R169: Around 300 people attended that event, most of whom weren’t wearing masks, in a county currently having the second highest number of new cases in WI. JFC how stupid can you get?

R182, work from home as much as they'll let you, of course, but also ask (if feasible etc) if you can work an unusual shift -- for example, work, 2 pm to 10 pm, such that you aren't surrounded by your coworkers all day. Ignore any side-eye you might get for wearing a mask. Be cognizant of not touching your face. If anyone wants to shake your hands, say "Oh, I'm skipping handshakes for the time being, but I'm very happy to meet you."

Wear a face shield with your mask in situations where you may meet some moron with no mask, or have to be in close quarters with a lot of people.

R182 bring two masks, bring your own sanitizer, bring your own insulated lunch bag, utensils and snacks, bring your own drinks or keep them in your car. Our break rooms and fridges are all shut down even though some of us are in the office. Let coworkers know you take the virus seriously from the start.

Admiral Brett P. Girior, High Ranking Trump Ass Smoocher:

"The good news is that we now know how to treat you if you're on a ventilator."

"Dr. Fauci looks at Covid19 with a narrow point of view. I don't go by everything he says."

There, there now, doesn't that make you feel better.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JULY 12 ~ 10:30 AM EST

🤣 ORANGEMEN DAY

🥧 NATIONAL PECAN PIE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 12,884,275

DEATHS: 568,561

CRITICAL: 58,852

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,357,928

DEATHS: 137,429

CRITICAL: 15,819

📊 WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 SMILE WITH YOUR EYES !

WaPo: Nine states in nearly every major region of the country reported record new single-day caseloads on Saturday: South Carolina, Texas, Alaska, Arkansas, North Carolina, Idaho, Wisconsin, Oregon and Hawaii. Six of those states, along with 10 others, registered new seven-day average case highs.

Saturday also marked the first time since the beginning of the pandemic that multiple states reported more than 10,000 cases in a day, with Texas tallying a record 10,351 and Florida reporting 10,360.

These heights were attained even as weekly testing plateaued nationwide, offering more stark evidence that the United States was failing to control new waves of infection and death.

Disney fans will kill us all.

R190 Have you guys seen some of the great Disney opening/horror movie mashups people have made?

Another great one

The official Disney version was terrifying enough.

Those cast members are being cheery, basically at gunpoint.

Watch most of Europe pop in 4 weeks time. They are opening up way way too soon and all that travel across country is literally going to kill people.

15,300 new positive cases out of Florida, their highest record so far.

Trump is really pissed @r180.

The eyes are the mirror to this souless droid.

💘 The Grinch's heart might have been a few sizes too small, but at least he had one.

I just don’t see how opening up the gay saunas and hooker windows in Amsterdam won’t spread the virus.

Vox, 7-12-20

My patient caught Covid-19 twice. So long to herd immunity hopes.

[quote] “Wait. I can catch Covid twice?” my 50-year-old patient asked in disbelief. It was the beginning of July, and he had just tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, for a second time — three months after a previous infection.

[quote] While there’s still much we don’t understand about immunity to this new illness, a small but growing number of cases like his suggest the answer is “yes.”

[quote] Covid-19 may also be much worse the second time around. During his first infection, my patient experienced a mild cough and sore throat. His second infection, in contrast, was marked by a high fever, shortness of breath, and hypoxia, resulting in multiple trips to the hospital.

[quote] Recent reports and conversations with physician colleagues suggest my patient is not alone. Two patients in New Jersey, for instance, appear to have contracted Covid-19 a second time almost two months after fully recovering from their first infection....

[quote] (I)f reinfection is possible on such a short timeline, there are implications for the efficacy and durability of vaccines developed to fight the disease.

[quote] I am aware that my patient represents a sample size of one, but taken together with other emerging examples, outlier stories like his are a warning sign of a potential pattern. If my patient is not, in fact, an exception, but instead proves the rule, then many people could catch Covid-19 more than once, and with unpredictable severity.

I knew a girl back in the 70s who worked at Disneyland. Even then they referred to the place as The Tragic Kingdom.

15,300 new cases in Florida.

We are so fucked.

R166 - Hell no, there are enough wealthy parents that want there kids in school. My little niece will be starting kindergarten at one of the best private schools in LA this fall. Her parents felt there would be more protection and even if there isn't, they want to make sure she's in school and not at the whim of the school districts. A lot of parents of all socioeconomic backgrounds want their kids back in school whether they need to work or just need that 7 hour break each day. Especially with the dads/husbands finding a way to go into their empty offices or get away from the house during the day, for many young moms with money, this is their first experience dealing with their children 24/7. It's a tough situations for all parents, teachers, etc. It sounds miserable.

The link at R199 is fear-mongering bullshit. At the very least, according to a virologist in my family, only a very small portion of those infected can be re-infected.

R196 - Trump has the same look in his eyes with the mask on that Melania expresses even in the best of times. It also makes it more apparent that he had an eye lift or something similar - it's a little cat like, also similar to Melania.

R199 there is only about 6 to 7 weeks of immunity if that. This is a corona virus. Cold viruses are corona viruses. There are four cold strains that go around and around and most people get them throughout there lives so why wouldn't you get this virus over and over.

Any reports on how crowded Disney World has been this weekend?

Can you imagine spending lots of money to go to Disney World only to have everybody walking around in masks and being scared to touch anything?

Jeeze, these last few posts sure are depressing.

r200, there was an article that was written maybe 15 years ago chronicling how it was working BTS at a Disney theme park. Lots of vomiting and some diarrhea mishaps in the costumed characters because of dehydration or illness. The main thing pounded in their consciousness was to always stay in character when "on stage", then you can collapse when you get BTS.

[quote] there is only about 6 to 7 weeks of immunity if that.

You don't know what you're talking about. The shortest immunity known to man so far is two years for SARS. For all the other coronaviruses you're immune for life. Stop spreading bullshit.

Some people have a weak immune response to this coronavirus, and their immunity seems to fade. We just don't know enough about this novel virus yet.

R209 try reading something someday. read articles on cold viruses and then read articles on covid. You are trolling becasue this is well known to immunologists

For r209.

I’m not defending whoever you’re arguing with.

But your counter-argument needs facts.

R209 is a fucking TRUMPSTER MORON.

Immunity for life DOES NOT EXIST.

Go back in your hole you fucking loon.

R199 - I don't know so much if they caught corona twice - or if it takes awhile to test negative.

My aunt caught corona in mid March (works in a nursing home) numerous staff and residents caught it as well. She was sick 5 days, then recovered. She was told that when she was symptom free for 3 days she would be cleared to go back to work. She went back. They DO NOT test workers prior to returning to work. They just say if you're symptom free for 3 days you can go back.

Fast forward 2 months later memorial day week... she was told by her supervisor that one of her patients has tested positive. She was then tested. She also now tests positive - but she had no symptoms.

So we wonder - was she ever negative in that 2 month time span? Since they didn't retest her the first time before returning to work, maybe the virus was still in her system? We have no idea. She is in her mid 60's and has preexisting conditions (cancer survivor) - she was sick with mostly flu like symptoms fo r5 days. No cough. Made a full recovery.

We also wonder if her second test, the one when she tested positive again - is being treated as a "new positive" case in regards to the statistics.

Guardian (36 minutes ago) - A team of researchers from King’s College London has found that people who have recovered from Covid-19 may lose their immunity to the disease within months, according to research suggesting the virus could reinfect people year after year, like common colds.

More on R215's news:

Scientists analysed the immune response of more than 90 patients and healthcare workers at Guy’s and St Thomas’ NHS foundation trust and found levels of antibodies that can destroy the virus peaked about three weeks after the onset of symptoms then swiftly declined.

Blood tests revealed that while 60% of people marshalled a “potent” antibody response at the height of their battle with the virus, only 17% retained the same potency three months later. Antibody levels fell as much as 23-fold over the period. In some cases, they became undetectable.

The CDC has released a new report on the "Characteristics of Persons Who Died with Covid-19 in the U.S." Among the notable findings, per Andy Slavitt:

For people under 65, the median age of a non-white person who died was 31. For white persons, it was 44.

Andy Slavitt @ House with garden @ASlavitt · 3h The first conclusion you are drawn to is that this is dangerous for Hispanic & non-white (their term) populations under 65.

35% of Hispanics who died were under 65; 30% of non-whites who died were under 65; 13% of whites who died were under 65.

25% of victims had no underlying conditions, including 17% of those under 65.

The underlying conditions found most frequently, in order: 1) Cardiovascular 2) Diabetes 3) Chronic kidney/ESRD 4) Immunosupression 5) Chronic lung 6) Neurologic 7) Obesity 8) Chronic liver.

Too bad they are not keeping track of patients who "Tried to follow CDC guideline" or "Acted like a selfish idiot"

Here's a great idea from India. Don't wear a mask/volunteer at the hospital!

1. Kill the old people✅

2. Kill the people with health conditions✅

3. Kill the black people✅

4. Kill the Latina people✅

5. Kill the poor white people✅

6. Kill the children (and/or their teachers/parents/grandparents etc)✅

7...

Man, I feel sorry for all the small children who will be growing up in the next decade, they're going to be so badly socialized.

^Yeah, lots of orphans.

R219 Kill all those people, and they'll be no one to do all the new minimum wage, custodial-sanitizing-wiping-spraying jobs that needs to be done.

What are the projections for year end?

R223 Covid & Influenza mixing it up at a big, two-week, Christmas-New Years Potluck.

Like I’ve posted on other threads it’s my belief that there’s no uniform length of immunity which will be granted to survivors. I think some of the really critically ill patients will have little or no immunity because their t-cells have been attacked. Some will have small amounts of immunity and some will have larger amounts. This virus does so many things in so many ways why wouldn’t the same be true of immunity?

P.S. Antibodies aren’t the only way to get immunity with this, by the way. The Karolinsky group have reported on the major impact of T cell immunity.

Statistical observation:

Worldometer will have to readjust its Daily New Cases graph for Florida.

The graph currently only goes as high as 12.5K, and the state's nearly 3K over that today.

NYT: President Trump’s advisers undercut the nation’s top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, over the weekend, anonymously providing details to various news outlets about statements he had made early in the outbreak that they said were inaccurate.

The move to treat Dr. Fauci as if he were a warring political rival comes as he has grown increasingly vocal in his concerns about the national surge in coronavirus cases. He has also noted his lack of access to Mr. Trump.

Aides to Mr. Trump released to The Washington Post and later other news outlets a list of remarks Dr. Fauci made about the virus when it was in its early stages. It featured several comments White House aides had privately complained about for months.

An official told The Post that several other officials were concerned about how often Dr. Fauci had been wrong. For example, White House officials pointed to a statement by he made in a Feb. 29 interview that “at this moment, there is no need to change anything that you’re doing on a day-by-day basis.”

But they omitted a warning Dr. Fauci delivered right after.

“Right now the risk is still low, but this could change,” he said in the interview, conducted by NBC News. “When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread.”

Dr. Fauci works for the Trump administration, but the list of his statements was laid out in the style of a campaign’s opposition research document. Its release to new organizations by the White House was extraordinary.

Oh for goodness sakes! Dr. Fauci runs NIAID, not CDC. What is the complaint exactly? That he didn’t perform Redfield’s job well enough?

Brazil approaches 1.9 million coronavirus cases, tops 72,000 deaths

From journalist Marcia Reverdosa in Sao Paulo

Brazil is nearing 1.9 million cases of the novel coronavirus after its health ministry reported 24,831 new cases Sunday.

Brazil's nationwide total of confirmed cases now stands at 1,864,681, the world's second highest number of cases, behind the US.

The ministry also reported 631 new deaths from the virus Sunday, bringing its death toll to 72,100, also the second highest worldwide.

Meanwhile, Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro remains in semi-isolation after testing positive for the virus last week.

Hospitalizations 'substantially higher' than four weeks ago as 3,322 new cases reported in Los Angeles County

From CNN's Stella Chan and Hollie Silverman

There were 3,322 new confirmed cases of coronavirus and 18 new deaths reported Sunday in Los Angeles, according to a press release from the LA County Department of Public Health.

This is second highest daily case count reported in the last week. The agency reported 4,015 new cases on July 7, the largest single day case count increase, which they attributed to a backlog of test results.

There are currently 2,093 people hospitalized with 26% being confirmed cases of Covid-19 in the ICU and 19% confirmed cases on ventilators, the release said.

"This remains substantially higher than the 1,350 to 1,450 daily hospitalizations seen four weeks ago," the release said.

Covid-19 positivity rate reaches 22% in South Carolina

From CNN's Hollie Silverman

The total number of test results reported yesterday in South Carolina was 8,769 with the percent positive of those tests being 22.3%, according to a news release from the South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control issued Sunday.

A total of 538,022 tests have been conducted in the state, according to the release.

There were 1,952 new cases of coronavirus and 10 new deaths reported for a total of 56,485 confirmed cases and 163 probable cases. There was also 950 confirmed deaths and 11 probable deaths statewide, the release said.

A record number of Covid-19 cases globally have been reported to WHO in last 24 hours

From CNN’s Hira Humayun

Over the past 24 hours, 230,370 new cases of Covid-19 worldwide have been reported to the World Health Organization (WHO) according to Sunday’s report. That brings the total number of cases reported to WHO from around the world to 12,552,765.

The previous record for cases reported to WHO in a 24-hour period was on July 10 with 228,102 new cases.

Sunday’s report also had 5,285 additional deaths in the past 24 hours from the virus worldwide, bringing the global death toll to 561,617, according to WHO.

A good blog post on the antibodies situation by a scientist who is as "the real deal" as they come. People look at antibody levels in the blood because it's the easiest thing to look at, but there's so much more going on in the immune system. When the reports first came out that people developed antibodies to COVID, a lot of people were quick to point out "But we don't know what that means!" Which is true. But then why freak out about these antibodies' disappearing, if we never knew what they meant? The bottom line is that we just have a lot to learn.

Lack of or low levels of antibodies is just how shit works sometimes. You don't always have active antibodies floating around in your bloodstream for everything you've ever been infected with and that doesn't mean you're going to get infected again. You have T cells that remember. When they encounter the virus again, they kill it and also trigger the production of antibodies to rev up again. There are videos out there that show this process. It's like of like a military response to an invasion. The sentries shoot and send out for reinforcements.

It's surprising that Brazil's death rate is running about the same as the US, despite being a much poorer nation and supposedly having an inferior health care system. What's up with that?

R236, Brazil is lying even more than the Repug states and probably can't track all the deaths because they're probably just dropping like flies in the favelas and no one in Brazil cares. You know, kind of like Florida and retirement communities.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JULY 12 ~ 10:15 PM EST

🤣 ORANGEMEN'S DAY

🥧 NATIONAL PECAN PIE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 13,034,955

DEATHS: 571,518

CRITICAL: 58,928

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,413,955

DEATHS: 137,782

CRITICAL: 15,822

📊 WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 REAL MEN ALWAYS WEAR THE MASK !

Are we gonna have another shutdown in CA or what? The suspense is killing me.

Touch and go for CA. LA is in bad shape

R235, thank you for your clear and concise description of how T cells work and disproving the myth that antibodies are the be-all and end-all in warding off Covid-19 if you’ve already had it.

You're welcome, R241. I wish the news would stop taking the easiest route in explaining things but that's what news has become now so it's all "new cases" and "antibodies" as the be all and end all of information.

This threat of defunding schools if they don’t open is backfiring in my area. Moms are PISSED that this administration wants their children and their teachers to be sacrificial lambs, for what? Schools re-opening is not going to be a miracle for the economy, especially since many businesses will be wfh through the Fall.

We need a 3 week mandatory national shutdown. Do it in August. These selfish Free-dumb aholes around the country are going to be the ruin of us all.

[quote]These selfish Free-dumb aholes around the country are going to be the ruin of us all.

Going to be?

R243 That’s violating MY rights!!! Because it’s all about ME!!!!!

Trump retweeted this insane screed from Chuck Woolery this morning. He should be asked why and what "lies" he thinks are being spread.

R239 I've lost all faith in Newsom.

Jon Favreau:

The White House orchestrating a hit job on one of the country’s most respected public health officials in the middle of a pandemic isn’t just dangerous and repugnant - it’s one of the politically stupider moves they’ve made in a long time.

The south's coronavirus surge, which has been largely driven by young people, is now reaching a more vulnerable population:

WSJ: Covid-19 Cases Jump in Sunbelt Nursing Homes

Bloomberg: Covid-19 Cases Hit Record at Florida Long-Term Care Centers

Texas Tribune: Nearly 40% of Texas' Fatalities are Residents of Long-Term Care Facilities

The relatively low death rates southern governors like to point to as signs of their "success" won't stay low for very much longer.

There's no evidence that surviving a COVID infection imparts permanent and even long-term immunity. The concept of "herd immunity" that's being thrown around is based on the crackpot theory that if the virus is allowed to freely cull the unfit (the old, the fat, the immunocompromised, or whatever other subgroup you feel comfortable with dying in their hundreds of thousands), what's left will be superimmune supermen who can then carry on rebuilding a stronger, healthier society, after burning or burying all the corpses of course. It's very Naziesque and bloody-minded and ignorant and it won't work. It didn't work in Sweden, which has nothing to show for its anti-lockdown strategy than one of the worst death rates in Europe and an economy that's in just as bad shape as anyone else's.

Nobody knows nothin 'bout The Corona.

FDA gives "Fast Track" status to two Covid-19 vaccine candidates

From CNN Health’s Wes Bruer

Pfizer and BioNTech announced today that they have received "Fast Track" designations from the US Food and Drug Administration for two of their four Covid-19 vaccine candidates, according to a press release.

“This designation was granted based on preliminary data from Phase 1/2 studies that are currently ongoing in the United States and Germany as well as animal immunogenicity studies,” the release stated.

What this means: Fast Track designation allows for a more efficient development process between companies and regulatory agencies and makes drug developers eligible for accelerated approval with a rolling review process of submitted data.

Companies must request the designation and it is reserved for “any drug being developed to treat or prevent a condition with no current therapy obviously is directed at an unmet need,” according to the FDA’s website.

Next steps: Pfizer and BioNTech’s collaboration on Covid-19 vaccine development, dubbed “Project Lightspeed,” expects to begin phase 2b/3 of its trial later this month. The companies aim to enroll 30,000 participants, according to the press release.

Pending the success of ongoing studies, “the companies currently expect to manufacture up to 100 million doses by the end of 2020 and potentially more than 1.2 billion doses by the end of 2021.”

“The FDA’s decision to grant these two COVID-19 vaccine candidates Fast Track designation signifies an important milestone in the efforts to develop a safe and effective vaccine against SARS-CoV-2,” Peter Honig, senior vice president of global regulatory affairs for Pfizer, said in a statement. “We look forward to continue working closely with the FDA throughout the clinical development of this program, Project Lightspeed, to evaluate the safety and efficacy of these vaccine candidates.”

“We are pleased to have received Fast Track designation from the FDA for two of our vaccine candidates and look forward to working closely with the FDA, along with our partner Pfizer, to expedite the clinical development path forward,” Özlem Türeci, chief medical officer at BioNTech, said in the statement.

Gimme gimme gimme a vaccine in time for an October surprise.

Otherwise, it's just gonna be a full diaper which won't surprise anybody.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JULY 13 ~ 10:15 AM EST

🍟 NATIONAL FRENCH FRY DAY

🤓 EMBRACE YOUR GEEKNESS DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 13,081,886

DEATHS: 572,544

CRITICAL: 58,711

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,415,664

DEATHS: 137,797

CRITICAL: 15,822

📊 WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 DO IT NOW !

R250, curb your ignorance. Pay attention. Antibodies aren’t the only way to keep from being re-infected. Your attempts af fear mongering are tiresome.

🏅 Do Trump's BigBoy PullUps have the Presidential Seal across the ass?

[quote]Trump's BigBoy

Mutually exclusive.

Perhaps there's a flag on the inside of the diaper.

Well, myself and others said back in January that there would be no lasting immunity - typical or other members of the coronavirus family. Hopefully the T-Cell theory will offer some benefits.

12,624 new positive cases out of Florida today

Donald Jr. And Eric have pictures of lions, tigers, bears, and guns on their WimpyBoy PullUps.

R260 Hold me David. I'm scared.

I had hepatitis years ago and eventually became antibody-positive and antigen-negative. The former showed that I had had the infection, and the latter that I had no live virus in my system, and was therefore no longer communicable. It seems that this is what we should be testing for now, especially since the antibody test seems unreliable, either because the person never creates antibodies, or the antibodies fade away too quickly.

Consider all those people who get infected and then “test negative”, but get sick again. What is the basis of the negative test? It would only be a valuable test if it is an antigen test, not an antibody test. But I have no idea what, exactly they are testing for.

R246, regarding Chuck Woolery’s tweet, there’s an old saying, if you run into 2 or more jackasses in any given day, then you’re the jackass. Meaning, if “everybody” is lying, then Woolery’s the idiot who can’t accept the truth when told to him from numerous independent sources. And that goes for all Trumpsters, too.

Until now, Chump has claimed that the US has the most cases and deaths because the US has the best and most accurate testing in the world. However, this is going to change in the months and weeks leading up to the election. As the numbers will almost certainly continue to soar, his only option will be to question the figures. Based on his poll numbers, his blame Obama strategy didn't work. Neither did his blame China strategy. His current strategy is to blame the testing but this will only get him so far as cases and deaths continue to mount. In the end, he will claim that it is all a big lie.

Andy Slavitt says that NY is going to get hit again in the Fall. I wonder if the South and Southwest will even see a lull between the current Summer surge and the Fall surge which will inevitable happen once schools open back up?

And, R265, he thinks that the simple reporting of a fact, the number of cases, is a personal indictment, when it’s not. It’s just a fact. It does lead to a judgement of his response to the virus, but that’s really another matter.

Personally, I think most people understand that he isn’t responsible for the virus; however, he has bungled the response to it, and he continues to bungle it, for which he should be held responsible.

Clearly the administration is playing Fauci for a fool. For sure, his early statements of "optimism" were at the direction of the White House and consistent with the general false statements at the time which praised China for their handling of the crisis even though the administration knew that the situation was much worse than publicized. Fuck them all, Fauci included.

[quote]Andy Slavitt says that NY is going to get hit again in the Fall

I don't think it's going to take that long. I think it will start to spiral again by mid August at the latest.

Florida will pass New York in the most total positive cases by an individual state by the end of next week. The pomp and circumstance RNC convention is still being held in Jacksonville, Florida at the end of August.

What they don't tell you about surviving COVID-19: 'Recovered' doesn't mean healthy again.

“When they say ’recovered,’ they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant,” wrote San Francisco-based ICU nurse Sherie Antoinette in a Twitter post. “Or that you may come back after discharge with a massive heart attack or stroke, because COVID makes your blood thick as hell. Or that you may have to be on oxygen for the rest of your life.”

Antoinette’s tweet prompted a flurry of responses from former COVID-19 patients, family of patients and nurses working on the frontline of the disease. Read them at the link below.

I would be willing to participate in the vaccine trials. I’m old, so in the interest of humanity, sure, I’d be a test subject.

Back in the early 70s in San Francisco up at UC Med Center, I was paid to test new pharmaceuticals. The only downside was blood draws, daily or sometimes hourly. But since I worked up there, no big thing.

Is NYU opening up in the fall?

They can't even cure the common cold, or the gabillion variants of flu going around. Do they really think they're going to "cure" this?

I'm supposed to work in Atlanta sometime in August for a film, and I asked one of our producers if they're going to quarantine me, and she replied, "No". WTF???? That means all the crew that are not local are not going to be quarantined. Even, "Jurassic Park XXXXIII" quarantined their foreign crew and still got positive cases on the first day of shooting. And they're continuing to shoot.

Sorry but I do not trust any information from Florida or Texas or Georgia or Russia or Iran or China or Brazil or Mexico or the UK or India. Not necessarily in that order.

Former WH Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney:

"I know it isn’t popular to talk about in some Republican circles, but we still have a testing problem in this country. My son was tested recently; we had to wait 5 to 7 days for results. My daughter wanted to get tested before visiting her grandparents, but was told she didn’t qualify. That is simply inexcusable at this point in the pandemic."

Having the RNC in Jacksonville in late August won't matter by then since FL will be reopening schools the first and second weeks of August. This thing is never going to die down here in FL-- between the too-early re-openings (including the Tragic Kingdom) and idiots refusing to wear masks and socially distance. Even with tape on the floor in a store, people can't count off six feet!

The only good thing about FL reopening schools in early August - the rest of the country will see what a huge fuckup that is (as cases soar in those schools/communities) before other states go back to school after Labor Day.

After all is said and done I bet we end up with cures for COPD & Asthma in the next decade.

Why do we need to know every single one of the usurpers rweets?

Wouldn’t that make us consumers of his propaganda?

I just don’t get why we have to copy and paste every single one of his thoughts on this board.

Even if we had a vaccine today, how long would it take to roll it out and give it to everyone who wants it?

r276 - Hey Mick, three words. Get...over...it.

Hong Kong Disneyland is closing again.

Unfortunately, Disneyland is finished for this year. Closed and nearly empty parks will not foot the bill. I am fortunate to have visited every Disney park in the world. My favourite is DisneySea in Japan. Hate to see the parks struggling but this is an extraordinary year to say the least

Are people who live in college towns worried about this fall? How is Austin going to contain the virus with UT opening up for the fall semester? They're not allowing students to return to campus after Thanksgiving break in an effort to contain the virus, but won't the damage have already been done by then? You know that those 50k students aren't going to be careful and will be spreading virus all over Austin.

NEW: #COVID19 cases continue to spread at alarming rates.

CA is now closing indoor operations STATEWIDE for:

-Restaurants

-Wineries

-Movie theaters, family entertainment

-Zoos, museums

-Cardrooms

Bars must close ALL operations.

I wonder if there's a connection between all the missing and dead scientists (conspiracy theory) and Covid19?

Is Disney World requiring visitors to sign waivers to get in?

About time Newsom !👍

r288: They must or they are going to be sued big time in the future!

The Sunday Houston Chronicle obituary section was 43 pages long.

Had a follow up appointment today with my cardiologist (the virus left me with an arrhythmia) and asked her what she’s hearing from her colleagues about the antibodies study from England. She called it “total bullshit” and added that even if antibodies dwindled, leading to a strictly limited window of immunity, then there are many other ways in which survivors would still receive a considerable length of immunity. She singled out T cells and the immune system as the obvious methods.

Enough with this fear mongering.

[quote]Unfortunately, Disneyland is finished for this year. Closed and nearly empty parks will not foot the bill. I am fortunate to have visited every Disney park in the world. My favourite is DisneySea in Japan. Hate to see the parks struggling but this is an extraordinary year to say the least

I think Disney World will keep plugging away unless ordered to close. And they won't be.

Fear mongering??? Nearly 140K deaths already reported in the US when the "final" number was supposedly less than 60K according to Chump. Gurl please! Sadly, we will see an explosion of deaths in the US starting tomorrow after the normal weekend reporting delays. Many rocky days ahead

So CA is closing down again. I would guess Oregon/Washington will, too, as they were fast on the heels of the CA closure last time.

[quote]CA is now closing indoor operations STATEWIDE for: -Restaurants -Wineries -Movie theaters, family entertainment -Zoos, museums -Cardrooms. Bars must close ALL operations.

Also, 30 counties in CA must close fitness centers, places of worship, personal care services, hair salons, barbershops, malls and personal care services.

Is "cardroom" an Olde Timey Californian word for "casino"?

CNN's Manu Raju quotes Mitch McConnell in KY on wearing masks:

:Some people in the country tried to politicize that issue. Believe me, the coronavirus is not involved in American politics....But we have an obligation as individuals to try to protect ourselves and protect others.”

Quest Diagnostics says its average turnaround time for Covid-19 tests is now 7 or more days for non priority 1 patients. "We will not be in a position to reduce our turnaround times as long as cases of COVID-19 continue to increase dramatically across much of the United States. This is not just a Quest issue. The surge in COVID-19 cases affects the laboratory industry as a whole."

Unfortunately, the default death graph on Worldometer is starting to look like a butterfly. Not good

The Deadliest Place on Earth.

Wearing face coverings in shops in England will be mandatory as of July 24th. It’s already mandatory in Scotland and Wales.

When is spray can Lysol coming back?

R297 Before the tribal casinos were allowed in California, I think the only kind of gambling that the state had was horse racing and cardrooms or card clubs. The ones I remember hearing about in Southern California were located in Gardena (a little south of Los Angeles). I think some of them might still exist or have branched out to include other forms of gambling. But yeah, it's kind of an old timey thing in the area. I believe there were a few other cities that had them up in Northern California as well (e.g. Stockton)

R294, does it hurt your wittle head when you’re SUCH A FUCKING MORON? You totally failed to grasp the point of my post and I won’t be explaining it to you. Likewise to fear mongerers like you who are worse than Hitler.

White House Bunker, R287

Lordt at this rate, we're going to have 100 threads on this by November.

Your cells retain memory of a virus so even without antibodies often your immune system knows what to do when it encounters a virus you've had previously.

Also this virus might just be the first wave virus (that infects everybody). The next virus is the kill shot. It's all been planned.

[quote]Also this virus might just be the first wave virus (that infects everybody). The next virus is the kill shot. It's all been planned.

The first virus has been the kill shot for almost 600,000 people around the world (and counting). If the second one's deadlier, why not just start with that one?

[quote]Also, 30 counties in CA must close fitness centers, places of worship, personal care services, hair salons, barbershops, malls and personal care services.

Guess I missed my window for a haircut

Here are tonight’s high numbers from 1point3acres... Florida...12,636; California...6,901; Texas...6,101; Georgia...3,646; Tennessee...2,874; Alabama...1,958; North Carolina...1,820; Louisiana...1785; South Carolina...1,519; Arizona...1,357.

Total US new cases today, 57,743.

You snooze, you lose, R310.

r311: If the numbers are that high after a weekend delay, tomorrow and Wednesday are going to be REALLY bad.

USA: expect +80K cases one day this week...

r311: That is up to 65,488 total new US cases today.

[quote] I don't think it's going to take that long. I think it will start to spiral again by mid August at the latest.

You really think so? NYC keeps having zero death days.

Welcoming Pennsylvania to 100K Club!

A late addition to their numbers put them just over the top today.

I watch CNN and MSNBC, and they keep reporting that cases are rising, hospitals are overwhelmed, states like Florida and Texas are out of control, and another lockdown is imminent. And then they cut to a commercial break, and all it's all cheerful, smiley commercials about stores and restaurants reopening and welcoming us back.

What kind of retarded evil parents sent their kids to sleep away camp during a pandemic?

R318: THAT or reports about horrible/corrupt Trump destroying our country/democracy - cut to a BS Trump commercial singing Trump’s praises. Serious whiplash

r319: My kid’s usual day camp keeps sending me emails about discounted camp rates and how they are social distancing, yada yada yada...

Hell Yes!

[quote] [R318]: THAT or reports about horrible/corrupt Trump destroying our country/democracy - cut to a BS Trump commercial singing Trump’s praises. Serious whiplash

Yeah, I've noticed that too. I don't understand why Trump ads are airing on MSNBC, but there have been several of them lately.

IF we can go 30 more days with low mortality, I will believe the virus is weakening. Otherwise, I still fear the 3-4 week lagging indicator.

My boyfriend was tested Saturday in Phoenix. He was told his result would be ready in 8 days.

I'm not buying that the number of COVID deaths is dwindling to the extent that we're being told. Where is a reliable source of information that gives us overall number of deaths and specific numbers by cause of death for comparison of this summer's figures with last summer's? I tried to find this on the CDC website and got lost in a sea of data.

🎄 Plan on spending Christmas 2020 in your own homes, probably on lockdown.

🍾 Sorry, but, barring a small miracle, we'll probably have to have the Annual DataLounge Christmas Party online. BYOB !

I see more people on public transportation like buses and Subway, they are actually full in NYC.

You have those cunts downtown crowding the bars outdoors, like white horse inn. They had their liquor license suspended after multiple warnings. They had over 100 people outside their bar on many occasions.

Plague in USA

Does anyone have links to our old threads...like part one and two etc? I remember being active on the early corona threads, and wouldn’t mind looking at our old ones ... I’m feeling a bit nostalgic

If you go to r1 it links to the previous thread. Then r1 of that thread links to the thread before that and so on and so on... No idea how many total threads there have been so far but I was able to go back at least 6 threads

Again, who is willing to buy a cocktail a walk away with it to drink alone and safely? Selling cocktails on the street but not allowing people to hang out is dumb. Don't let the bars open if people can't hang out. Are people allowed to sit at a table on a terrace?

New York will probably have spikes but nothing significant until October at the earliest.

I think this is a link to the very first Coronavirus Freakout thread in January 2020.

This is how the thread started on 1/24/20:

[quote] Really need to calm the fuck down.

[quote] Remember when SARS, H1N1 and Ebola killed all those millions of people worldwide? Yeah, me neither. The media love to create pandemonium.

[quote] It's malpractice by the media, but no one ever sues them over it.

[quote] It’s almost funny reading the #coronavirus tweets. People are really acting like this Is going to kill off humanity. Folks, more people die from the regular flu each year than will corona virus.

What are the chances that the northeast gets pummeled again?

Thanks r331 we have 45 previous threads.

I remember back in the day during a the first few threads in February when Wuhan shut down, when it was a small group of posters..every so often someone would pop into the threads telling posters they were overreacting and wearing tinfoil hats..

Thanks r344!

Just what I was looking for!

[quote] Does anyone have links to our old threads...like part one and two etc? I remember being active on the early corona threads, and wouldn’t mind looking at our old ones ... I’m feeling a bit nostalgic

Are you disabled?

There will be at least a small spike in NYC, child care centers opened yesterday and a few branches of public library opened as well

R338 I tried searching but couldn’t find the really old ones.

Is Birx happy Fauci is being attacked so she’s now the sole official medical authority?

Quisling C.

Birx is not respected nearly as much as Fauci

[quote]So CA is closing down again. I would guess Oregon/Washington will, too, as they were fast on the heels of the CA closure last time.

Did Oregon and Washington open up too quickly and widely like California did or is there something else going on there?

And, for those like R333 and others saying things along the lines of "wait until the Fall explosion", why do you keep saying that with no factual backing and the very obvious evidence that season and temperature have zero to do with anything having to do with Covid? There would have to be a reason for an explosion in cases. What is the reason you're thinking will cause it?

[quote] I tried searching but couldn’t find the really old ones.

When DL shows you limited search results, just try searching all of Datalounge through Google.com.

Go to Goggle and type this into the Google search box:

site:datalounge.com (search terms)

For example:

site:datalounge.com Coronavirus Freakout

The above Google search finds all the coronavirus freakout threads even though a Datalounge search would not.

R334: Wow, very interesting reading the original CV thread! Poster 10 was so right!

I don't know why people in NYC are feeling so smug like they're all done. Even if kids go back to school for 2 days a week, that is going to spike cases. Kids have been largely unaffected because they were isolated. Those little shits breed disease, so even if they are asymptomatic, they can pass it on to their teachers, their parents, etc.

There's nothing to watch on TV anymore because they can't make new content. What are we supposed to watch when September rolls around? There won't be any of my favorite holiday baking shows on Food Network this fall. I could just cry.

Well - I learned on this thread that NYTechie has a child! That's pretty awesome - I used to work in IT and the hours were crushing and incompatible with having kids.

Hats off to you - I've always liked your mindset and most of your posts.

But now, back to the plague...

🍹 This is the summer to drink in the comfort and safety of your own home. Considering the circumstances, it's also perfectly acceptable to drink alone.

No one in NYC is feeling smug about this, R346. We are sad, worried and a bit worn out.

We know what we had to do to reduce the spread, and we know what could happen when the restrictions lift. We're capable of simple deductive reasoning.

[quote]Sharp questions for syringe suppliers

[quote]If there’s a COVID-19 vaccine, will there be enough syringes in the U.S.? Two small companies will be key.

[quote]As the Trump administration races to buy hundreds of millions of syringes for what is likely to be an unprecedented COVID-19 immunization campaign, success depends heavily on two small medical supply companies with little track record of fulfilling government orders of that magnitude.

newsletter at link

They found in China that you can be co-infected with another virus like the flu, and it causes more severe symptoms. That may be why it isn't as deadly in the summer, no flu or colds going around.

Trump has a massive supply of syringes in the White House Basement Medical Storage Facility. He'll be happy to sell them at a substantial markup to anyone whose got the CA$H in hand.

R348: Thanks! 😃 I mentioned my daughter a few times before. My nanny picked her up from school/took her to dance because I was always working late! I am saving a lot of money without nanny or dance fees now👍

Jesus Christ, does nobody know how to use Google??? Here ya go r330, I googled "Coronavirus Freakout", got #2 thread, which linked to the first thread.

Regarding T-cell memory:

I remember my doctor told me when I was diagnosed with HIV (actually AIDS), and my t-cell count was 9, that even if I gained more t-cells, they might be “naive” and not able to mount much of a response to diseases I’d already had.

This was about 17 years ago, so I have no idea if this is the case or not.

R354/NYTechie - I'm jealous. I missed the boat on having kids. I know it's easier when you have money - and being in NYC with a nanny, you're probably doing pretty well.

But, at 50 and now with the money, the ship has sailed for me. Probably for the best, to be honest.

R357: I am 50 too! I live in Jersey City. Although I am right across the river, I am saving a few thousand in rent by living here. I had my daughter with my ex-partner via surrogate. He lives in Brooklyn now, but most of the responsibility falls on me since I am her bio dad.

R356, that's becasue HIV destroys T cells, the basis of immune memory, so any new ones you made wouldn't be programmed. You lost the T cells that had been programmed over your lifetime against everything you'd been infected with. They were like baby T cells who hadn't been exposed to anything yet.

Covid does not destroy T cells. It's presence is what programs them to destroy it in the future.

UK guy here. Your death toll is still low compared to how many cases you have.

They are lying about the deaths, R360.

Florida alone in the first three months of this pandemic, BEFORE they went out of control to the extent they are now, had 5000 additional "pneumonia" deaths compared to the same time period last year. The Repug governors are all lying their asses off and hiding the numbers.

(Not) to mention this Florida mark of distinction...

R362 Look like pretty Christmas tree.

[quote]There would have to be a reason for an explosion in cases. What is the reason you're thinking will cause it?

Colds and flus layered on top of the coronavirus; millions of kids, teachers and support personnel back in school; people forced back inside because of the weather.

[quote] teachers and support personnel back in school;

This. Plus millions of college students returning to campus, partying, not wearing masks, not social distancing, and then spreading the virus throughout the community. Remember these spring break idiots? They'll soon be returning to a college campus near you! Prepare for hell!

R351 If the vaccine they're developing here in Pittsburgh works, it won't require syringes. It goes on like a little bandage. (And yes, I'm on a list to be called up for the human trials.)

It would be horrific to have the pandemic on top of flu season.

I may be wrong, but I suspect the flu season won’t be bad this year though because the R0 for flu is only slightly above 1 normally and with the increase in hand washing/mask washing and decrease in traveling I don’t see it gaining much momentum despite schools reopening.

That's what I was thinking/hoping too. Other contagious diseases will probably go down since people learned to wash their hands, wear masks and not to touch their faces. I hope those habits are here to stay.

About syringes, the US should be stockpiling them now, just in case they are necessary. Likewise for ventilators, PPE, hospital beds, and all the equipment we already know are necessary. Don’t count on it, though, especially with Trump in charge. He thinks like a businessman, by which I mean, like a guy who owns a bodega, not like a guy who owns a multi billion dollar enterprise.

I think we’ll see a spike everywhere that “opens” simply because there’s very little stopping the spread of the virus. All you need is a super-spreader on a bus, or elevator, or such. It seems that there are some people, at some point in their infection, who just shed the virus very strongly. It only takes one of them to infect an entire beauty salon, or bar, or whatever.

All it takes is a few infected idiots to get the flu season ball rolling.

Get your shot early ....... ASAP !

CNN==Hong Kong confirms 48 new cases. Half of them can't be traced

From Vanesse Chan and Isaac Yee in Hong Kong

Hong Kong on Tuesday reported 48 additional coronavirus cases, comprised of 40 locally transmitted cases and 8 imported cases.

The news comes after the government announced new social distancing measures to contain the latest outbreak, which will come into force at midnight on Wednesday.

Officials say 24 of the new locally transmitted cases could not be traced, and worries are high about about the number of asymptomatic cases.

Dr. Chuang Shuk-kwan, of Hong Kong’s Centre for Health Protection, said several of the new cases were linked back to clusters at elderly care home facilities and restaurants.

“The number of cases is quite high, [it] is around 50 [per day] in recent few days. More worrying is the proportion of unknown cases among those reported cases,” said Chuang.

She warned that “there are lots of unknown sources in the community that can spread easily, and they may be asymptomatic.”

“We are facing challenges of increasing infection control measures within the hospital authority,” said Chuang, who added that a patient in a general ward of Queen Elizabeth hospital was among the newly confirmed cases today, whilst another was a cleaner at another hospital.

The new cases brings the city's total up to 1,569.

Nearly 200 Jackson Health System employees in Miami have Covid-19

From CNN’s Rosa Flores Nearly 200 Jackson Health employees are currently out with Covid-19, according to senior director of communication Jennifer Piedra. Most employees who test positive are out for 10 to 12 days.

Since July 1, 887 Jackson Health employees have been symptomatic or exposed to Covid-19, the hospital spokeswoman said. The positivity rate of employees who have been tested is 23%.

The state of Florida has dispatched 100 temporary nurses to Jackson Health. More than half of these nurses are already on site, and the rest are expected to be on board this week, according to Piedra. Jackson Health has also recently hired 100 nurses.

On Monday, the health system's infectious disease expert said "Miami is now the epicenter of the pandemic," as she compared the south Florida metropolitan area to where the pandemic originated.

"What we were seeing in Wuhan -- six months ago, five months ago -- now we are there," Lilian Abbo, with the Jackson Health System, said during a news conference Monday.

Hong Kong tightens restrictions as it faces a third wave of cases

From CNN’s Jadyn Sham in Hong Kong and Sophie Jeong in Seoul

The past seven days alone have seen 236 new cases -- an alarming surge in Hong Kong, which has been lauded for its quick and effective response to the pandemic. For many weeks before this surge, cases were down to single digits, and sometimes zero, every day.

Under the new restrictions announced Monday:

Incoming travelers who have been in or transited through high-risk areas in the last 14 days must show proof that they tested negative before boarding. If they fail to do so, airlines will be penalized.

Public gatherings will be capped at four people again. The limit had previously been 50.

Restaurants cannot seat more than four customers together at a table, and must stop dine-in services from 6 p.m. to 5 a.m. every day.

Gaming centers, bathhouses, gyms, and other public recreational facilities will be closed for a week. Exhibitions and public events will either be canceled or postponed.

Masks are now mandatory on all public transport.

43 new cases in Michigan linked to one large house party

From CNN's Rebekah Riess and Hollie Silverman

In the US state of Michigan, 43 new coronavirus cases have been linked to a large house party from early July in Washtenaw County, health officials said in a press release Monday.

Most of the new cases are young people between the ages of 15 and 25, said the release. The party is believed to have taken place between July 2 and 3.

Spread from the party has impacted people outside the county and even the Midwestern state, according to the release.

Health officials are now asking anyone who attended the party to self quarantine and monitor themselves for symptoms of the virus for 14 days.

There were an additional 66 people who are believed to have had face-to-face contact with a confirmed case. That number does not include family members who are immediate household contacts of the newly identified cases, the release said.

"This is a very clear example of how quickly this virus spreads and how many people can be impacted in a very short amount of time" Jimena Loveluck, Health Officer with Washtenaw County Health Department, said in the release. "We cannot hope to accomplish our goal of containing COVID-19 and preventing additional cases, hospitalizations and deaths without full community support and cooperation."

US cases are surging so much that test results are delayed by up to 7 days

From CNN's Shelby Lin Erdman

“Soaring demand” for a Covid-19 molecular test is “slowing the time” the company can provide test results even after rapidly scaling up its capacity, Quest said Monday.

Increased capacity: The company has already doubled its testing capacity from two months ago, and now is able to perform 125,000 molecular diagnostic tests a day. By the end of the month, it expects to have the capacity for 150,000 tests a day.

Despite this increase in capacity, it's taking up to a day to process test results for its priority patients: hospital patients, pre-operative patients in acute care settings and symptomatic healthcare workers. For all other cases, it’s taking on average seven or more days, said Quest in a press release.

The company is facing challenges in trying to ramp up testing: Global supply constraints are still an issue, the company said.

The lab network is trying to add new technology platforms and is considering an expansion of its lab referral program.

But the company cautioned that it can’t reduce its turnaround time on testing results as long as Covid-19 cases continue spiking across the country.

"“This is not just a Quest issue. The surge in Covid-19 cases affects the laboratory industry as a whole,” the company said."

Scans Reveal Heart Damage in Over Half of COVID-19 Patients in Study

"Damage to the heart is known to occur in severe flu, but we were surprised to see so many patients with damage to their heart with COVID-19 and so many patients with severe dysfunction," wrote study co-author Professor Marc Dweck, consultant cardiologist at the University of Edinburgh, U.K.

"We now need to understand the exact mechanism of this damage, whether it is reversible and what the long-term consequences of COVID-19 infection are on the heart."

Opening schools will ensure that those flyover counties with 1 or 2 cases will explode like any city.

"RED STATE HOUSEPARTY COVID-INFECTED PREGNANT TEEN MOMS."

Pitch for a new Bravo or Learning Channel series.

Much suspense: will BrieAnna, Madlynne, Mistee, and Ambyrre live to see their own babies?

In Massachusetts, test results take less than 24 hours. Longer than that is another screw-up that they have had months to work out. Of course, Trump wants to ‘slow the testing down”. What a moronic thing for him to have said. And for his audience to have cheered.

I’m reminded of the ‘Ellen Jamesians” in the “World According to Garp”. These feminists cut their own tongues out in solidarity with a victim who was raped and had her tongue cut out. Later in the book, a character meets a mute woman and asks if she was one of them, and she writes, “I used to be.” That’s how I see the Trump supporters in the future. Either that, or the NAZI model where the all just deny ever being a Trump supporter in the first place.

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I wonder what happened to R10 of the first thread? I hope he's ok.

I recall we had a positive case poster from Victoria, BC in one of the early threads. Hope he's ok, too.

And add me to the list of people pleased to learn more about the life of NYCTechie! I feel like these are the most communal threads on the DL.

A word about drinking. Someone in one thread mentioned that drinking alone is ok, now. The thing about that is that you may wind up adding a new problem on top of the Coronavirus problem. And the creepy thing about alcoholism, is that people often think that they will be on the lookout if they are developing a drinking problem; however, I don’t think anyone ever really sees the problem until after they already have it. And alcoholism surely must be on the list of those preexisting conditions that makes one susceptible to a bad outcome from Corona infection.

Instead, take up knitting, or something.

R367 That's true however in the Southern Hemisphere flu cases are way down due to social distancing, people staying home, people working from home, avoiding public transport, etc.

I think aside from the actual pandemic the next most frightening thing are the long terms affects on some people.

And on top of that is the economic wreckage. Whilst I place health and well-being above the economy the harsh reality is that the impacts of the pandemic on the economy are going to cause hardships along with additional health consequences on countless numbers of people. Throw in climate change and we are doomed.

Reuters @Reuters · 9m More than 930 employees of private contractors running U.S. immigration detention centers have tested positive for the novel coronavirus, according to congressional testimony given by company executives

Q102 Philly @Q102Philly · 9m #BREAKING: Philadelphia announces all large events will be cancelled thru February 2021 due to the Coronavirus.

NPR @NPR Hong Kong Disneyland is temporarily closing its doors due to a spike in coronavirus cases within the city. As of Monday, Hong Kong has seen 1,469 infections and seven reported deaths.

CNBC @CNBC · 38m Qantas has removed the inventory for nearly all of its international flights until March 2021, as the coronavirus pandemic continues to batter air travel.

[quote] social distancing, people staying home, people working from home, avoiding public transport

I'd feel better if everyone was doing those things, and wearing masks, in the US, R383. Sadly, we're mostly not.

The Orange County (CA) school board voted 4-1 to resume in-person classes, without masks or social distancing.

Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[quote] The Orange County (CA) school board voted 4-1 to resume in-person classes, without masks or social distancing.

One of the reasons they cited for reopening was the need for parents "to model courage and persistence in the face of uncertainty and fear." They want kids to be proud of their parents for having the courage to send them back to unsafe classrooms where they can get sick or die.

[quote]One of the reasons they cited for reopening was the need for parents "to model courage and persistence in the face of uncertainty and fear."

This whole country has gone insane.

One person's courage and persistence is another person's poor judgement and reckless behavior.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JULY 14 ~ 11:00 AM EST

😵 NATIONAL PANDEMONIUM DAY

🦈 SHARK AWARENESS DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 13,280,061

DEATHS: 576,674

CRITICAL: 59,256

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,481,680

DEATHS: 238,291

CRITICAL: 15,934

📊 WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 FORGET SOMETHING ?

I just heard on TV that CA isn't requiring masks for school kids when school reopens. wtf gavin?

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A 43-year-old Michigan man is dead after being shot by a police officer following a fight over a face mask inside a Quality Dairy store.

The man got into an argument over wearing a mask with another man in the store. The 43-year-old stabbed the man he was arguing with and left to a nearby neighborhood.

There, the man pulled a knife on an Eaton County deputy, who then shot the man.

Too bad we don't have a President who was courageous enough to shut the country down and keep it shut down until the direction of this virus changed. Yes, the economy will suffer, it has suffered, but you've got to take strong bold steps to save lives and get a handle on things.

What do yo expect from a man who is so vain he won't wear a mask because it would detract from the look of his perfectly coiffed cotton candy hairdo? A man who hoards medical supplies in hopes of reselling them to the highest bidder? A man who keeps his own idiot offspring in positions of power, yet trashed and fires those who are intelligent and competent.

You get what you vote for ...... Remember that in November.

While it's apparently perfectly safe to go to Disney World, they also announced today they've suspended their Cultural Representative program indefinitely.

They shouldn't be allowed to have it both ways.

Study (early release) shows that SARS cov-2 has a higher aerosol efficiency than SARS or MERS and can stay infectious up to 16 hours.

[quote]SARS cov-2 has a higher aerosol efficiency than SARS or MERS and can stay infectious up to 16 hours.

Ugh.

You gotta do what you gotta do.

#DoOrDie

So the Republican Convention in Jacksonville will now be held outdoors? Just in time for hurricane season!

Mr. Colbert...

What time does the rain come on that coast? Jacksonvilleseems to be full of stupid people, so Republican convention would double that.

What time does the rain come on that coast? Jacksonvilleseems to be full of stupid people, so Republican convention would double that.

R394, it's Orange County not all of CA. And it's just a recommendation because there are so many psychos who have been threatening officials that a 4-1 vote in favor was not a surprise.

A couple of things.

Yes, most of us are social distancing, wearing masks, and washing our hands. Do no let the vocal moron contingent in some states make you believe otherwise.

Why the fuck are any countries allowing international travel? Idiotic.

And, Orange County is Repug central in California. Stop extrapolating Repug idiocy out to everyone else.

Poll Troll at 393, check your death number. Let’s not hurry this thing on...

Indeed, R393, over 100,000 US deaths overnight?

Packed outdoor bars blamed for NYC’s coronavirus spike among young adults

Young, upwardly mobile New Yorkers who flooded the city’s restaurants and bars last month — not those who attended weeks of massive anti-police protests — are responsible for the spike in coronavirus cases among 20- to 29-year-olds, a city health official insisted Tuesday.

“This isn’t directly related to any one event, but more a combination of increasing social mobility,” Dr. Jay Varma, Mayor Bill de Blasio’s senior adviser for public health, said at a briefing for reporters.

“We fully expect as people spend more time around other people, that there is a risk that they will acquire infection. If you go out and look around the city, people who are younger are going to be those most likely to go to, say, bars and restaurants, or have private gatherings, other types of activities or events,” Varma said.

The State Liquor Authority shut the famed White Horse Tavern in Greenwich Village last week for “numerous” violations of coronavirus social-distancing rules.

And on Monday, de Blasio flagged the “worrisome” trend of rising COVID-19 infection rates for 20-somethings.

“We’re seeing cases in parts of Manhattan, in parts of Brooklyn among that age group that doesn’t exactly overlay with our poverty and racial disparities,” Varma said Tuesday.

During the height of the pandemic, poor, elderly minorities in Queens and The Bronx were among the hardest hit.

🙊 Indeed, gentlemen @ R408 & R409, I stand corrected.

The correct figure @ 11:00 was 138,291.

I was dyslexic before it was fashionable.

Before anybody even knew what it was.

Johns Hopkins has been 3k behind Worldometer in US deaths and cases for like 2 weeks now. I know they lagged before, but not by this much.

What happened to our Belgium poster?

CDC Director Robert Redfield: “I do think the fall and the winter of 2020 and 2021 are going to be probably one of the most difficult times that we experienced in American public health.”

R413. I am fine here in Belgium. Thank you for asking. Cases and deaths are under control for the moment but people are a bit worried about the future. One of my colleagues left for vacation in France a few days ago, another is driving to Italy tomorrow and one more is heading to Spain next week. My employer is encouraging people to return to the office at least 2 days a week but I still do not feel safe especially with the start of the summer holidays. I will stay put at home

NYT: The Trump administration has ordered hospitals to bypass the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and, beginning on Wednesday, send all coronavirus patient information to a central database in Washington — a move that has alarmed public health experts who fear the data will be distorted for political gain.

From now on, H.H.S., and not the C.D.C., will collect daily reports about the patients that each hospital is treating, how many beds and ventilators are available, and other information vital to tracking the pandemic.

Public health experts have long expressed concerns that the administration is politicizing science and undermining the disease control centers; four former C.D.C. directors, spanning both Republican and Democratic administrations, said as much in an opinion piece published Tuesday in The Washington Post. The data collection shift reinforced those fears.

From Twitter: WaPo will not return to their offices this calendar year.

[quote]The @washingtonpost's Publisher Fred Ryan confirms that we will not be returning to our offices this calendar year.

It was reported on MSNBC a little while ago that the Federal government's stockpile of PPE is thin.

R416 I hope to hell that hospitals ignore Trump.

Just what have the Feds been doing with all the PPE they're accused of pirating from the states? Handing them over to Russia and the Saudis, I'm guessing.

A whole lot of people deserve prison time over the PPE seizures by the government. As far as I know they were seized (stolen) and sold off to the highest bidder. It really weird how Russia sent up PPE on April 1st and we turned around and sent a bunch back around May 21st, really really weird.

R416 Wouldn't that information also have to be sent to county health depts? So there will be a (hopefully) accurate copy of the data somewhere...

r422, but it won't be aggregated.

Under the guise of providing America with a Covid 19 "update" Trump is wasting our with a campaign speech and mini rally.

He's got a giant head like Frankenstein.

I was watching the Fox local news at a neighbor's house (that's the only local news she gets) and they were actually trying to say that Florida is OVERREPORTING the number of positive cases.

This is why I don't go anywhere anymore.

We should have the first vaccine by the end of the year! 2021 is shaping up to be a great year.

Majorca is a shit show. How's your German? Anyway, don't know why they opened these resorts to other countries, except financial hardship.

R416: That is VERY concerning...

The Hawai’i State Department of Health has traced 44 cases of COVID-19 on O’ahu to a single person. The state says 24 cases associated with a training program at Hawaiian Airlines are also linked to 20 cases at two Oahu gyms. The state says a person infected during Hawaiian Airlines meetings worked out at both gyms.

“I don’t think anyone would purposefully expose anyone else to COVID-19, often individuals are asymptomatic and don’t know that they’re infected. This is a classic situation in which I think emphasizes treating everyone around you as though they were infected,” Dr. Bruce Anderson, Director of the Department of Health, said.

Rush Limbaugh: Americans should “adapt” to coronavirus, like famous pioneers who “had to turn to cannibalism.”

"You’ve heard of the Donner Party? They made the mistake of trying to make the trip in the middle of winter. It was so bad that they had to turn to cannibalism to survive. If you read the diaries written by the leaders of the Donner Party, the only reference to how cold it was, was one sentence: “It was a particularly tough winter.”

It’s just what was. They didn’t complain about it, because there was nothing they could do. They had to adapt. This is what’s missing. There seems to be no concept of adaptation. There seems to be no understanding in the Millennial generation that we can adapt to this, and that we’re going to have to."

Have fun adapting to death by cancer, Rush!

r431, Really, it's easy for Rush to say since he's on his way out anyway.

Carl Quintanilla:

Limbaugh went from “it’s the common cold, folks” to the-Donner-party-never-complained .. in five months.

It’s time for him to hang it up. He should go enjoy his remaining years.

Just spotted some fat tourist fucks dining al fresco here in NYC. I hope the cops grow some balls and clamp down hard on these motherfuckers. Fine ‘em up the wazoo and send them on their way.

Rush Limbaugh needs to be skewered.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JULY 14 ~ 9:20 PM EST

😵 NATIONAL PANDEMONIUM DAY

🦈 SHARK AWARENESS DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 13,454,449

DEATHS: 581,118

CRITICAL: 59,574

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,545,077

DEATHS: 139,143

CRITICAL: 16,377

📊 WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 DO IT FOR YOU !

Someone on Twitter joked that Rush has brought up cannibalism so many times that it's now time to send cadaver dogs to his house.

[quote]NEW: The DOJ and the state of Arkansas have asked the Supreme Court to reinstate Medicaid work requirements. They want SCOTUS to reverse a D.C. Circuit ruling that blocked the policy based on that court's finding that work requirements do not advance the purposes of Medicaid. - James Romoser

Links to petitions on Twitter thread.

So disabled people can’t get Medicaid any more? You know, the people that actually need Medicaid?

R430, that IS the Republican position now: throw civilization overboard! Let’s go back to our feral roots!

Chris Cuomo says his battle with coronavirus has brought an onset of clinical depression, brain fog and a decreased ability to recover after exercise.

[quote]and a decreased ability to recover after exercise.

DEAR LORD IN HEAVEN!!

Reporting numbers from 1point3acres, here are the top ten new case states... Texas, 10,183; Florida, 9,194; California, 8,794; Arizona, 4,273; Georgia, 3,408; Louisiana, 2,224; South Carolina, 2,217; North Carolina, 1,966; Alabama, 1,710; Tennessee, 1,515.

New forecast from the University of Washington: 224,000 deaths by November 1.

What were the initial and current projected deaths? The Spanish flu of 1919-1920 killed 675,000 Americans., t looks like this virus will surpass that number eventually.

[quote] encephalitis lethargica, also known as “sleeping sickness”, is a disease that attacks the brain, leaving some victims in a statue-like condition, speechless and motionless. Between 1915 and 1926, an epidemic of encephalitis lethargica spread around the world. Nearly five million people were affected, a third of whom died in the acute stages. Many of those who survived never returned to their pre-morbid vigour.

This was a pandemic that ran concurrently with, or followed the flu pandemic in 1918-1920. Scientists can’t explain where it came from, nor where and why it went. There is speculation that is was related to the flu pandemic.

My grandfather caught it, and his case was exactly as described above. He used to stare at the radio as one might a TV, in a statue like condition. He lost his bus company and apartment rental.

So, while CIVID is not a flu, we can only imagine what possible side effects are in store for us,

Coronavirus: Blogger Emna Charqui given jail term over Koran-style post

A blogger in Tunisia has been sentenced to six months in prison after sharing a satirical post about Covid-19 written in the form of a verse from the Koran.

Emna Charqui, 28, was arrested in May for sharing a message on Facebook urging people to follow hygiene rules in the style of Islam's holy book.

Charqui said in a recent interview that she had no intention of provoking shock, but found the post amusing.

She was found guilty in a Tunis court of "inciting hatred between religions".

She is not yet in custody as she intends to file an appeal.

On 2 May, Charqui shared a post on social media mimicking a Koranic verse. In it, the text called for people to wash their hands and observe social distancing in response to the coronavirus pandemic.

The image was reportedly designed and originally shared by an Algerian atheist who lives in France.

Charqui's post appeared during the fasting month of Ramadan and while Tunisia was still largely under lockdown.

It caused a stir online, with some social media users labelling it offensive and calling for Charqui, an openly avowed atheist, to be punished.

Days later she was questioned by police.

On 27 May, following news that Charqui was facing trial over the Facebook post, Amnesty International released a statement calling for the Tunisian authorities to halt the prosecution.

"The prosecution of Emna is yet another illustration of how, despite Tunisia's democratic progress, the authorities continue to use repressive law to undermine freedom of expression," Amnesty's North Africa director Amna Guellali said.

Ms Guellali said the right to freedom of expression extended to what "some might consider shocking or offensive" and called on the Tunisian government to amend the law "so they are compliant with human rights".

R444 - interesting that, besides California which is doing their best, and Arizona, the rest are all former Confederate states.

It's embarrassing that California is having problems, but 15% of the entire US lives in this one state, so of course we're going to have some high numbers.

I'm cool with the Confederate states getting the pain.

So you enjoy hearing about African Americans dying in Mississippi?

[quote]encephalitis lethargica

Chris Cuomo said that his doctors keep mentioning myalgia encephalitis — “a fancy way of saying chronic fatigue syndrome” — when they talk to him about his symptoms.

guess that bleach bath didn't work for Chris Cuomo, huh? lol

So tender to the touch.

Are you ready for this sweetie? Some Tennessee rando teenager was telling me that when they swab you for the test, there is actually a chip on the end of the swab they insert into your skull. Then those thermometer guns download your brain data while they pretend to take your temperature. Explains the shortage of tests. They don’t want everyone’s information. I laughed in his face.

It's said that almost 50% of the positive in Nevada are Hispanic. Makes total sense as they are the ones on the front lines.

There is some evidence that herpes antivirals help with brain fog caused by a number of viruses. Possibly even prevent Alzheimers

We're fucking doomed down here.

[quote]The state's (Texas) positivity rate is 16.89%, according to the latest data from DSHS. Houston's is 26.8%, according to the latest data from the Houston Health Department.

You can have my stuff.

[quote]You can have my stuff.

Inventory?

Neurological complications of Covid-19 can include delirium, brain inflammation, stroke, and nerve damage, finds a new UCL and UCLH-led study.

Published in the journal Brain, the research team identified one rare and sometimes fatal inflammatory condition, known as ADEM, which appears to be increasing in prevalence due to the pandemic.

Some patients in the study did not experience severe respiratory symptoms, and the neurological disorder was the first and main presentation of Covid-19.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JULY 15 ~ 10:25 AM EST

🌭 NATIONAL HOT DOG DAY

🐱 PET FIRE SAFETY DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 13,504,987

DEATHS: 582,337

CRITICAL: 59,508

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,549,438

DEATHS: 139,199

CRITICAL: 16,377

📈 WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 LIFESAVER !

I believe relapses can happen with Covid but not reinfection. That’s not what viruses do.

Florida better hope a hurricane doesn't head their way. Crowded shelters would be a nightmare.

R461 The jury is still out on reinfects. I don't know of any but given the lockdowns everywhere its probably a little hard to get reinfected. Also, people who had mild cases may only get a mild cases or even milder cases the second time.

Too early yet really to know about reinfections, long term health consequences and immunity given the possibility to T cells may offer a level of resistance and on-going resistance at that for some people.

[quote]Also, people who had mild cases may only get a mild cases or even milder cases the second time.

A Washington, D.C. doctor was all over the media last week claiming he had a patient that was reinfected -- and that the infection was "much worse" the second time around.

Some Good News: Moderna Covid-19 vaccine shows promising immune response in phase 1 trial. All 45 trial subjects developed antibodies.

What happens if we get multiple vaccines that work? Because Pfizer's was also working, last I heard. Do the big pharma companies fight to the death to be THE vaccine, or will we have options?

Thanks for your reasonable view R463. I’m getting fed up with the fear mongerers on here.

In other news if this is Wednesday it must be Belgium getting a spike.

There's going to be some serious freaking out from anti-mask brigade.

Coronavirus updates: Walmart to require face masks

All Walmart and Sam's Club shoppers will be required to wear a mask beginning on July 20, the company said Wednesday.

[quote]All 45 trial subjects developed antibodies.

And, in fact, more antibodies than are typically found in people who actually get the disease.

Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt becomes first U.S. governor to test positive for Covid-19.

Stitt on Tuesday chaired a meeting of the Commissioners of the Land Office. He did not wear a mask.

"I'm not thinking about a mask mandate at all," he said today, addin that there was still "plenty of runway" regarding hospital bed and equipment capacity.

[quote]What happens if we get multiple vaccines that work?

The company that can deliver the vaccine with a single shot will end up the winner in the Vaccine Wars. Moderna's vaccine requires two shots a month apart. A lot of people will get the first shot and fail to get the second one. A one and done vaccine will always be more convenient.

I saw an article today that said the Covid vaccine may need to be reformulated every year like the common flu vaccine. I guess that means that some years the vaccine may not work effectively if they misjudge the formulation.

Well viruses do mutate, like the regular flu viruses, and this virus has at least 3 mutations, so r471's supposition is likely.

I just tested positive, despite PPE at work and minimal contact with the outside world. My guess is it entered via my eyes. Who knows, with all the dirty and sketchy PPE...

I was pretty convinced I had it in February, but there were a couple of the older coronaviruses going around, too. I’m open to the reinfection theory.

Anyhow, Florida is out one more nurse. We’ve already had whole departments decimated in the last month. Office workers and housekeeping have had to deliver patient meals, for example. I don’t think the patients notice yet, but I don’t know how much longer we can pull this off. DeSantis and Trump will collapse our healthcare system.

r473, so sorry to hear this. Were you wearing goggles, safety glasses or regular glasses?

R470, I live in OK, and stitt campaigned on making us a "Top 10 State", which has finally happened! We're the first state to have a covid19 positive governor! #winning

And as far as deplorable state leaders go, our Lt. Governor Matt Pinnell is better looking, and so so tall.

[quote]Fast Food Covidiot: 'We Don't Cover Our Faces In America!'

From the looks of her, she could easily cover her mouth for about six months.

^^^ lolz

She has "equal" written over her lopsided titties.

+800 deaths in Mexico. 600 deaths in India. 200 deaths in Iran. Brazil will certainly report +1000 deaths before the night is over. And the US is also headed for a +1000 day based on current data. It is going to get much worse before it gets better. Mask up!

R474, I wear regular eyeglasses and a full face shield. Seems easy for the particles from coughing and sneezing to get around. It can’t be good to have one N95 for the week, either.

I hate this country right now. I feel betrayed. I also very much would like to kick Miss Unequal Titties in her fat cunt.

Just in time for the summer holidays

Guardian-Spain has recorded 390 new coronavirus cases over the past 24 hours - the highest single-day figure since 22 May. Most of the new cases are in the northeastern regions of Aragón and Catalonia. To date, the country has confirmed 257,494 cases of the disease and 28,413 deaths, according to figures from the health ministry.On Wednesday the health minister, Salvador Illa, said there were 171 small outbreaks across the country, of which 120 were active.

Guess it's over, call it a day/ Sorry that it had to end this way/ No reason to pretend/ We knew it had to end some day, this way/ Yes, it's over, the kids are gone/ What's the use of tryin' to hang on?/ Somewhere we lost the key/ So little left for you and me and it's clear to see/ Too Much, Too Little, Too Late.../

[quote] R466, Sylvia: What happens if we get multiple vaccines that work? Because Pfizer's was also working, last I heard. Do the big pharma companies fight to the death to be THE vaccine, or will we have options?

If both work, they’ll want both. It will take far too long to vaccinate everyone in the US who is willing, but there are billions of people who want a vaccine. It will take months, maybe years, to vaccinate enough people to create herd immunity if 89% or 90%.

In that movie Contagion, the allocation of their vaccine caused all manner of violence. Seems predictive.

[quote]It will take months, maybe years, to vaccinate enough people to create herd immunity

Those who claimed the virus is a hoax and/or didn't wear masks can go to the back of the line.

Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey (R) mandates face masks as state exceeds 1,100 coronavirus deaths, more than 56,000 confirmed cases.

Deplorables are running out of safe spaces.

Soylent Green is people! Will you be the rich in the gated, clean accommodations, safe from COVID, vaccinated 4x a year? Or the poor in the virological soup?

Masks are the new normal here in Belgium. Even for a 1 minute trip to pay for gas. I have several masks in my glove compartment. It is second nature now.... On the otherhand, my local cafe/bar is packed with young people and there is no social distancing whatsoever. People are sitting close together on the terrace and are leaning over to talk to each other due to the noise. All it takes is a few super spreaders and we are fucked like before. Unfortunately, it is impossible for the bar owners and police to control this. People need to use common sense which becomes more difficult when people drink. And we like to drink here in Belgium. Especially the local beers.

^and restaurants as well. A few days ago, I went to a restaurant here in Belgium to celebrate by sister-in-law's birthday. We sat outside away from other tables but the meal lasted 4 hrs. This is how it goes in Europe. We laugh, we drink, we laugh some more. At the start of the night, the owner was in full mask gear. By the end of the night the mask was off and she was giving us free bottles of wine and birthday cake. Everyone means well. And I love her from the bottom of my heart but I will think twice about going out again. It's sad that we do not have the normal freedom like before but then again the situation is not like before, is it? Hoping to get my life back someday. In the meantime, I am fearful of my neighbours, and family because they could make me terribly sick or worse

Kroger joins Walmart in requiring customers to wear masks at all locations.

The government won't step up so it's encouraging that businesses are starting to.

The People of Wal-Mart can barely put on clothes, much less be bothered to put on a mask.

There is going to be a lot of foolishness and mayhem in these stores when the rules are enforced.

After last blast of summer "The Labor Day Weekend Blowouts" across the US, this country will be shut down again by mid September.

Right back to Square One. House Arrest, shortage of supplies from face masks and sanitizer, PPE supplies, groceries, and toilet paper. Colleges and schools shot down by late September/early October.

#ThankACryBaby

#ThankACollegeGrad

#ThankYouForNotWearingYourMask

I bought extra TP again today, in anticipation of another lockdown, or at least, more shortages.

The top 3 countries in terms of deaths according to Worldometer. US: 140K, Brazil: 75K, UK: 45K. Collectively, these 3 countries account for more than 50% of reported deaths worldwide. Leadership matters.

Another red line crossed. Where will it end? Nobody knows

[quote] Colleges and schools shot down by late September/early October

Students who refuse to wear masks definitely should be punished, but resorting to gunfire seems a little extreme.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JULY 15 ~ 7:25 PM EST

🌭 NATIONAL HOT DOG DAY

🐱 PET FIRE SAFETY AWARENESS DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 13,662,423

DEATHS: 585,618

CRITICAL: 59,502

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,611,066

DEATHS: 140,002

CRITICAL: 16,349

📈 WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 NOW !

R494 Public Caning In The Town Square !

Shits fired r494!

Does Betsy want to open the public schools so the teachers will quit? Seriously. Or is that too clever for her agenda?

Trump Administration strips CDC of Control of Covid Data.

R498, I don’t think it occurs to these people that teachers and bus drivers aren’t slaves and they can quit. A lot of school bus drivers are old.

And teachers have unions

R500, I do know that several teachers have said flat out they'll quit if they're forced to go back to work under these conditions, which is why LAUSD essentially said No way. But Orange County recommended they return.

😠 People need to stand up to Trump one and for all.

What's he going to do, arrest the entire nation?

USA: +71, 670 new cases, 997 new deaths

Houston schools announced today that all classes will done online. No students allowed on campus for the Fall semester.

Spain was idiotic to open for tourism. I know they need the cash. Cash = death.

150K by Sunday?

George Will in WaPo evaluates Trump's coronavirus response:

[quote] Never has a U.S. election come at such a moment of national mortification. In April 1970, President Richard M. Nixon told a national television audience that futility in Vietnam would make the United States appear to the world as “a pitiful, helpless giant.” Half a century later, America, for the first time in its history, is pitied.

[quote] Not even during the Civil War, when the country was blood-soaked by a conflict involving enormous issues, was it viewed with disdainful condescension as it now is, and not without reason: Last Sunday, Germany (population 80.2 million) had 159 new cases of covid-19; Florida (population 21.5 million) had 15,300.

[quote] Under the most frivolous person ever to hold any great nation’s highest office, this nation is in a downward spiral. This spiral has not reached its nadir, but at least it has reached a point where worse is helpful, and worse can be confidently expected.

The pundits can SUCK MY SAD OLD COCK. They made all this happen.

[quote]🌭 NATIONAL HOT DOG DAY

Ooh, yea-uh! Gimme some of that fat, greasy hot dog!

[quote]The People of Wal-Mart can barely put on clothes, much less be bothered to put on a mask. There is going to be a lot of foolishness and mayhem in these stores when the rules are enforced.

Nobody is going to enforce it once you make it past the entry checkpoint, if SoCal stores are anything to go by. Walmart, Ralph's and Vons employees, even the managers, wear their masks at half mast, and allow too many people in at once for effective distancing. Customers pull their masks off or down as soon as they grab their carts, then crawl up other people's asses instead of waiting 3 seconds for them to move.

Florida is digging in deep with the denial and anti-mask nonsense. Here's some state rep suing over mask mandates.

I also heard a clip played on MSNBC last night of Tucker Carlson claiming masks weren't effective. The clip was said to be from his Monday show when he also addressed his racist head writer. I haven't seen the clip posted anywhere else so maybe it was actually older.

Today’s top 10 state new cases, provided by 1point3acres: Florida, 10,181; Texas, 8,820; California, 7,117; Georgia, 3,876; Arizona, 3,267; Tennessee, 2,274; Louisiana, 2,089; South Carolina, 1,851; Alabama, 1,813; Ohio, 1,317.

Pretty indisputable proof of mask effectiveness. This needs to go viral.

As the rest of the Bay Area moves in the right direction, in San Mateo County you can now stop at the nursing home and visit Nana on your way to the gym.

Damn, I'm in OK and we're getting up there too. Today we had a record high daily new case count of 1,075.

R511, depends on where you are. I went to the market a couple of weeks ago and half the customers in Walmart had the mask below the nose. Now it’s 100% compliance. Didn’t see any arguing either. But now there’s bouncers in front of most stores, usually on the outside. And a big sign on the outside saying you’re not going in without a mask.

Our Democratic Governor is on his first term, and Repubs are apoplectic about the masks on Nextdoor. They keep blaming the governor and saying he’s up Newsom’s ass. But I haven’t seen arguments or fighting in person. Just rageaholic loudmouths online.

You know how to keep safe, r516. Spread that knowledge rather than the virus. Good luck.

The Karens and MAGAts can just go fuck off. I'm done with them. Engaging them just gives them the oxygen they don't deserve.

Karen - Mask Off Remix (Walmart Diss)

American Airlines to warn 25,000 workers of potential furloughs

From CNN's Pete Muntean

In a memo to employees Wednesday, American Airlines’ top two executives say it will issue WARN notices to 25,000 employees that they face potential furloughs on Oct. 1.

The memo, from CEO Doug Parker and President Robert Isom, also said that the airline hopes to avoid some of those furloughs.

“We hope to reduce the actual number of furloughs significantly through enhanced leave and early-out programs for represented workgroups, which we are announcing today,” the memo said.

The two executives also said the airline supports a union-led effort to lobby Congress to extend the CARES out relief money, which is set to expire at the end of September, through March 2021. They note the longer timeline is necessary due to the “much longer impact of the pandemic than was anticipated when the CARES Act was enacted.”

"We know American will be smaller going forward and we must right-size all aspects of our airline to adjust to that new reality," they said.

The possible furloughs include 10,000 flight attendants and 2,500 pilots.

Brazilian president says he again tested positive for Covid-19

From CNN's Shasta Darlington in Sao Paulo

Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro told CNN Brasil that he has tested positive again for Covid-19 a week after his initial test indicated he had the virus.

Bolsonaro told the CNN affiliate in a telephone interview today that he took the new test on Tuesday morning and got the results back that night, although the results had not been made public.

Bolsonaro said he was “doing very well” and that he hasn’t had a fever since the beginning of last week, according to CNN Brasil reporter Leandro Magalhaes, but that he was anxious to get back to work. He said he hasn’t had other symptoms, such as shortness of breath or loss of taste. He said he plans to take another test in “coming days.”

The president has been working remotely from the presidential residence since last week, holding video conferences and occasionally walking in the gardens, where he has been seen wearing a mask.

He said he continues to take the controversial drug hydroxychloroquine, although it has not been proven to be effective against coronavirus.

R500, my dad has driven a school bus on and off during retirement, because he wanted something to do, and enjoys kids. He has taken his name off of the available list for the fall.

[quote]The company that can deliver the vaccine with a single shot will end up the winner in the Vaccine Wars.

The company that can deliver the most effective vaccine, with the longest effective period will win the so-called "Vaccine Wars".

A single-shot vaccine is of course preferred, but if it only confers a fraction of coverage and protection that a multi-shot vaccine would, many will prefer the latter. This is a potentially deadly virus, no one wants to risk infection.

I have a feeling that the most effective vaccine will likely be one that is repeatable by necessity, due to the quick weakening seen in antibody levels so far in known-infected folks. A one-shot deal, but with boosters delivered 2 to 3x per year depending on age, susceptibility and other factors. People will line up at dedicated Vaccine centers at designated times to get their shots and subsequent boosters. The new normal.

R524, you just pulled all of that right out of your ass and seem to have no idea what you are talking about. There are no vaccines that work as you described. And, again, antibodies are not the entirety of immune response. Why do people just keep saying shit that isn't true? For attention? Dramatic effect? Fun?

"We All Want To Pretend This Isn't Happening": Mask-Free Pandemic Parties Are Popping Up In NYC

"We All Want To Pretend This Isn't Happening": Mask-Free Pandemic Parties Are Popping Up In NYC

[quote] it comes as a shock to us that these venues that cater to out-of-towners are disregarding the rules that we need to abide by to get out of the pandemic together

R527: They are so damn reckless and stupid!! I bet you MAGAts/Trump supporters are behind these underground Covid-spreader events in NYC. They want NYC numbers to increase - until they (or their loved ones) find themselves on ventilators.

Sleep well NYCTechie. I respect your posts and hope to see you tomorrow.

Not sure about winning, but I hope lots of the vaccines work so that there is a rush to ramp up production quickly and an incentive to not over charge.

They had the Chief Medical Officer from Moderna on CNN last night...it sounds hopeful

ElderLez is right about flu decreasing, at least in Australia, where it's winter.

Shame on Sanjay Gupta and CNN last night for their TV equivalent of clickbait story of the lady who’s been “reinfected.” Bitch doesn’t know her virus is still shedding cells so that’s why she got a second positive diagnosis. Enough of this fucking fear mongering.

I thought Sanjay and Chris Cuomo made it clear they didn't think she was reinfected. Sanjay even said if reinfection was possible, we'd have a lot more cases of people claiming to be reinfected ... as it is, there's only a handful.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp signed an executive order last night banning local and city officials from issuing their own mask mandates ... while reiterating that residents of the state "are strongly encouraged" to wear face coverings.

The order also voids existing mask mandates, such as the one issued by Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms.

Kemp’s new order comes as cases are surging in Georgia.

We are going to die because of conservative psychos.

My favorite reaction to Kemp is this conservative critical of Kemp's decision....only because he couldn't be more typical of conservative self-centered "sanity." In other words, only when they have personal experience, do they understand the importance of something like masks :

@michiganmike04 This is pretty asinine to say the least. Masks work, I'm a Conservative, this is whack. Wear a mask when going out in public please. Don't look to politicians for leadership, look within yourselves, read the Bible, pray! Folded hands

@michiganmike04My entire family wore one for over 3 years while my little girl fought Leukemia, masks work. They did prevent her from getting infections. She had no immune system for 3 years & 2 BMTs. You do as you want and I'm going to go out but im also going to take precautions. Prayers to u

This is what we are up against. Fucking lunatics who think masks and science are up for political debate. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that NY's #s started to go down when most heeded the advice, wore masks, stayed home and/or soc. distancing.

I think Kemp wants people dead.

I try not to watch Chris Cuomo...he's unwatchable, he's not credible after that shit he pulled during his illness.

I try not to watch Chris Cuomo...he's unwatchable, he's not credible after that shit he pulled during his illness.

More than 100 scientists call for Covid-19 vaccine "human challenge trials"

From CNN's Wes Bruer and Emma Reynolds

More than 100 scientists signed an open letter to Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, calling for the use of “human challenge trials” they believe will speed the development of a Covid-19 vaccine.

"If challenge trials can safely and effectively speed the vaccine development process, there is a formidable presumption in favor of their use, which would require a very compelling ethical justification to overcome," the scientists wrote to Collin.

More than 2,000 challenge trial volunteers also signed the letter, which was published by 1Day Sooner, an organization advocating on their behalf.

What this kind of trial means: So-called human challenge trials would intentionally expose healthy participants to the Covid-19 virus to determine a vaccine’s efficacy, as opposed to conventional clinical trials, where volunteers receive an experimental vaccine or a placebo and are tracked over a period of time to see whether they become infected.

The letter urged the US government and international groups to “undertake immediate preparations for human challenge trials, including supporting safe and reliable production of the virus and any biocontainment facilities necessary to house participants.”

Earlier this month, members of the NIH's Accelerating Covid-19 Therapeutic Interventions and Vaccines (ACTIV) Vaccines Working Group said that challenge trials would not speed up vaccine development.

"A single death or severe illness in an otherwise healthy volunteer would be unconscionable and would halt progress," they wrote in a perspective piece published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

They wrote that large, randomized controlled trials of Covid-19 vaccines are “the most efficient, generalizable, and scientifically robust path to establishing vaccine efficacy.”

More than 100 scientists call for Covid-19 vaccine "human challenge trials"

From CNN's Wes Bruer and Emma Reynolds

More than 100 scientists signed an open letter to Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, calling for the use of “human challenge trials” they believe will speed the development of a Covid-19 vaccine.

"If challenge trials can safely and effectively speed the vaccine development process, there is a formidable presumption in favor of their use, which would require a very compelling ethical justification to overcome," the scientists wrote to Collin.

More than 2,000 challenge trial volunteers also signed the letter, which was published by 1Day Sooner, an organization advocating on their behalf.

What this kind of trial means: So-called human challenge trials would intentionally expose healthy participants to the Covid-19 virus to determine a vaccine’s efficacy, as opposed to conventional clinical trials, where volunteers receive an experimental vaccine or a placebo and are tracked over a period of time to see whether they become infected.

The letter urged the US government and international groups to “undertake immediate preparations for human challenge trials, including supporting safe and reliable production of the virus and any biocontainment facilities necessary to house participants.”

Earlier this month, members of the NIH's Accelerating Covid-19 Therapeutic Interventions and Vaccines (ACTIV) Vaccines Working Group said that challenge trials would not speed up vaccine development.

"A single death or severe illness in an otherwise healthy volunteer would be unconscionable and would halt progress," they wrote in a perspective piece published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

They wrote that large, randomized controlled trials of Covid-19 vaccines are “the most efficient, generalizable, and scientifically robust path to establishing vaccine efficacy.”

Russian cyber attackers are targeting Covid-19 research centers, UK security officials say

From CNN’s Luke McGee in London

Russian cyber actors are targeting organizations involved in coronavirus vaccine development, according to UK security officials.

A UK National Cyber Security Centre (NCSC) advisory published Thursday details activity of a group known as APT29, also named “the Dukes” or “Cozy Bear”.

It said known targets of APT29 include UK, US and Canadian vaccine research and development organizations.

The NCSC, which is the UK’s lead technical authority on cyber security and part of the UK’s Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), assessed that APT29 “almost certainly operate as part of Russian Intelligence Services”.

This assessment is also supported by partners at the Canadian Communication Security Establishment (CSE), the US Department for Homeland Security (DHS) Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) and the National Security Agency (NSA), the NCSC said.

“APT29’s campaign of malicious activity is ongoing, predominantly against government, diplomatic, think-tank, healthcare and energy targets to steal valuable intellectual property,” according to a news release.

“We condemn these despicable attacks against those doing vital work to combat the coronavirus pandemic,” NCSC Director of Operations, Paul Chichester, said in a statement.

The press release said the NCSC has previously warned that APT (Advanced Persistent Threats) groups have been targeting organizations involved in both national and international Covid-19 responses.

APT29 uses a variety of tools and techniques, including spear-phishing and custom malware known as “WellMess” and “WellMail”, according to the NCSC.

The report concluded that: “APT29 is likely to continue to target organisations involved in COVID-19 vaccine research and development, as they seek to answer additional intelligence questions relating to the pandemic.”

Why would you volunteer to get a placebo and get infected?

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Florida's Thursday report

13,965 new positive cases

491 new hospitalizations (highest yet)

156 deaths (highest yet)

Yay! We are open for business everyone!! Come in down! 🎉🎊

DeSatan

India has joined the 1M cases club (alongside the US and Brazil) after reporting +31K cases and 660 deaths so far today.

R534, thank you for the clarification. I admit I was only going by the teaser. And that was still reprehensible TV-style clickbait. The chyron read something like Covid Patient Tells Sanjay Gupta She’s Been Reinfected.

CNBC: Previously public data has already disappeared from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s website after the Trump administration quietly shifted control of the information to the Department of Health and Human Services.

Since the pandemic began, the CDC regularly published data on availability of hospital beds and intensive care units across the country. But Ryan Panchadsaram, who helps run a data-tracking site called Covid Exit Strategy, said that when he tried to collect the data from the CDC on Tuesday, it had disappeared.

Target today announced a mask rule for all customers that goes into effect August 1.

Later than Walmart, Kohl's and CVS', which start Monday. Kroger's rule starts Wednesday. Starbucks and Best Buy's mandates started yesterday.

Target wants that deplorable, no mask wearing, back to school money. That's why they are waiting until August 1 to start their mask mandate.

R550 Can people start bombarding the CDC with Freedom Of Information Act claims to get that data, I wonder?

OMG, You can't make this ship up. :)

From THE HILL: Game show host retweeted by Trump deletes his account after announcing his son has coronavirus

ormer game show host Chuck Woolery announced Wednesday his son has tested positive for COVID-19, just days after Woolery accused medical professionals and Democrats of lying about the virus in an effort to hurt the economy and President Trump's reelection chances.

Woolery, who hosted several popular game shows including "Love Connection" and “Wheel of Fortune” and who is a staunch supporter of the president's, has since deleted his Twitter account following the announcement about his son.

“To further clarify and add perspective, Covid-19 is real and it is here. My son tested positive for the virus, and I feel for of those suffering and especially for those who have lost loved ones," Woolery tweeted before his account disappeared.

ADVERTISEMENT The message comes after Woolery tweeted Monday denouncing "outrageous lies" being told about the coronavirus, comments that Trump retweeted to his more than 83 million followers.

“The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most, that we are told to trust. I think it’s all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I’m sick of it," Woolery wrote.

CBS News correspondent Catherine Herridge asked Trump about the retweet in an interview on Tuesday.

“You reposted a tweet yesterday saying that CDC and health officials are lying. You understand this is confusing for the public. So who do they believe? You, or the medical professionals like Dr. Fauci?” Herridge asked, referring to National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Anthony Fauci.

“I didn’t make a comment,” Trump responded. “I reposted a tweet that a lot of people feel. But all I am doing is making a comment. I’m just putting somebody’s voice out there. There are many voices. There are many people that think we shouldn’t do this kind of testing, because all we do, it’s a trap.”

[quote]Why would you volunteer to get a placebo and get infected?

Everyone gets the active vaccine in a challenge trial before being exposed and isolated. The placebo is used in the random, longitudinal trials.

Depressing that a few weeks ago scientists were worried about running out of access to places to test the vaccines due to the numbers of infections going down. Look where we are now. All because of stupid fucking deplorables. I guess when we get a vaccine we can thank the dumb fuckers for being the petri dish for the world.

[quote] “I reposted a tweet that a lot of people feel. But all I am doing is making a comment.

"A lot of people" also think Elvis is still alive and the moon is made of cheese, that doesn't mean the fucking president retweets it as opposed to listening to EXPERTS.

Fucking shithead.

R555 here. I was wrong. I guess they do use placebos in challenge trials. I'm not only not sure why someone would willingly put themselves in that position but I can't figure out why scientists would need to use the placebo in a challenge trial? Are they trying to prove that people aren't psychologically defeating the virus? That's crap. Anyone know what the point of a placebo in a challenge trial would be?

Without a doubt, Chump is one of the most dangerous leaders in history. If Barron were to die tomorrow from this virus, Chump would say something like Barron's last words to me were "dad, please don't let this Chinese virus ruin our great economy...". Same thing for his golden child Ivanka. He doesn't give a shit about anybody but himself. We will have to drag him out of the White House in January or in 4 years, God forbid. He will not go willingly. And to think, WE, THE PEOPLE, gave him this power! WE are to blame for all of this.

R558, WE did not. Republicans did.

R554

Wheel!

Of!

Fuckery!

R558 We the People voted for Clinton by a margin of nearly 3 million votes.

No comment....

If you haven't watched the video from OP, I encourage you to do so. One of the grittiest performances of this song. As much as I love Ella (and others), I find this version from Sarah to be the best for this moment in time. Thank you so much for posting Sylvia Fowler.

[quote]"I didn’t make a comment,” Trump responded. “... But all I am doing is making a comment."

People voted for this man.

Anyone know the whereabouts of Lee Van Cleef?

R565 Forest Lawn, Hollywood Hills, California.

It’s amazing to me that people watch this Orange Moron and think yeah I support him...no sentient being could reasonable support him. I fucking hate his supporters more than him

Even if a vaccine were unveiled tomorrow that would allegedly provide 100% protection against COVID and the FDA waived all testing requirements aside so it could be put on the market immediately, are you going to trust it? Who's going to make all that vaccine, and are you going to trust them? What are they going to charge for it, and will you be able to afford it?

Sorry, but not feeling this optimism for a rushed to the market vaccine. Even under the best circumstances, 100% effective against the virus AND affordable, it will takes many years for it to show any real benefit throughout the world. I want to be hopeful and not a Debbie downer but I am also realistic. This problem is not only in the US or other in other rich countries. I am looking at the issue from a worldwide perspective and it does not look good in the short or longterm despite the recent news.

According to the current US administration, the recent surge is due to the high number of tests. The tests are the real problem not the lack of PPE equipment for medical staff or clear directives to the public to wear fucking masks and to practice very basic social distancing. The motherfucker is still shaking hands in public! Why does common sense have to be so difficult? I feel like I am living in a Twilight Zone episode with that crazy powerful kid who controlled the weather, turned his enemies into jack-in-the-boxes and wished people to the corn field because of their "bad" thoughts.

Just divide the number of tests by the number of positive results to get the positivity rate-- that is the number. Anything over a single digit is not good!

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JULY 16 ~ 7:30 PM EST

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CASES: 13,920,405

DEATHS: 591,640

CRITICAL: 59,900

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CASES: 3,682,463

DEATHS: 140,977

CRITICAL: 16,432

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😷 KEEP WEARIN' - DON'T BE A KAREN !

I'm really surprised CA's numbers are so high...wtf happened?

I'm really surprised CA's numbers are so high...wtf happened?

California had a much lower than anticipated COVID infection rate for months. I think people got too cocky since we had so few cases compared to other states.

Majority of the new infections are within the Latino community - and that needs to be addressed.

CA still has fewer daily COVID cases than FL or TX, and CA has over double the population.

Here’s the daily top ten of new cases, reported by 1point3acres: FL, 13,965; TX, 7,488; GA, 3,453; AZ, 3,259; TN, 2,479; LA, 2,280; NC, 2,161; AL, 1,933; SC, 1,812; CA, 1,808.

In terms of total population within states, California is still below the national average of "cases per million". That's around 11K and California is around 9K. And California's number for "deaths per million" is 188 where the USA Total number is much higher at 426.

Weren't there problems with a rushed vaccine for Swine flu, or something just as recent?

R578 WaPo ran this article about the Swine Flu vaccine back in May:

"The last time the government sought a ‘warp speed’ vaccine, it was a fiasco"

(I believe it's unlocked and can be read w/o subscription.)

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Is anyone else having trouble finding toilet paper again?

R582, no but I'm having trouble finding my preferred brand, Scott Comfort Plus. I'm in northern NJ (Morris County).

Toilet paper sparse. hand sanitizer and Dukes Mayo all gone.

'Majority of the new infections are within the Latino community - and that needs to be addressed.'

All surveys have proved that being black or Latino or Indian makes you more susceptible to the virus. Add overweight to that and these people are corpses.

[quote] All surveys have proved that being black or Latino or Indian makes you more susceptible to the virus

Actually, it's being poor that makes you more susceptible to the virus.

Yes, living in cramped environment doesn't help, like 20 people crammed into an apt or house etc

It also doesn't help that a lot of black and latino communities and areas are simply not listening to what they need to do to stop the infections. Yes, white young people are acting like idiotic pieces of irresponsible shit but the older whites, minus the Trumptard contingent, are acting responsibly. At least here in Chicago, the entire west and south sides are just running around, playing at the park, playing basketball and volleyball all over the neighborhoods, shopping, hanging out, etc. without a mask in sight and zero social distancing.

It's like something cultural against listening to what neds to be done. And, these are populations already at a higher risk of exposure due to their predominance in service jobs. I just don't get why, young and old alike, they aren't taking this seriously even when they are dying at a higher rate. Even the aldermen in those areas who are black or latino themselves don't understand why their constituents don't seem to give a fuck.

[quote]It also doesn't help that a lot of black and latino communities and areas are simply not listening to what they need to do to stop the infections....It's like something cultural against listening to what needs to be done.

R588, I think you presume all communities have access to the same information as you, gotten the same way you get it. Even well-off English speaking folks are getting wildly conflicting messages and, as we see daily, adhering to very different standards of behavior.

Successful community prevention hinges on consistent information that's

1) coming from trusted sources; and

2) coming in the community's language

That's not rocket science. Successful community efforts are disseminating COVID information via, for example, Spanish language radio stations! Spanish language flyers! What a concept. And local churches! And community-based service providers that residents know and trust. Outreach workers who can door-knock. But these efforts require coordination. Funding. Low-barrier testing and health care. And places for low-income people living in overcrowded situations to self-isolate, with stipends so exposed workers in high risk jobs can take time time off without their families starving.

Part B is much harder, because it's the reason many public health entities are calling income inequality a public health crisis. You can google COVID + income inequality to get that picture.

I posted this in the California thread, but I'll link again to an article about a community based effort to get COVID information and supports to residents of the predominantly Latino Mission neighborhood in San Francisco, one of the city's COVID hotspots. It's not perfect, but is making strong inroads in concert with the City and UCSF's neighborhood hospital. It's definitely a start, and a model that can be replicated to address public behavior you seem to view as willful intransigence. I live not far from the Mission, and when I go over I see about the same mask and distancing adherence as I do in my more upscale neighborhood.

[quote] I think you presume all communities have access to the same information as you, gotten the same way you get it.

Please stop. Even the Amish know what's going on. Of course they have access to information at this point. Don't make excuses for ignorance and arrogance within any community. Accept that there are lot of selfish assholes who come in every color.

R590, there are plenty of actual medical and public health experts who document the lack of information in different communities. Seriously, there is plenty of expert testimony if you take the trouble to find it. You might want to check your own arrogance level. Here's an easy place to start

R591, I live in Brooklyn. You don't think I encounter different communities? You even see within those communities, some people wearing masks and then a lot of others just not giving a shit. There is just an arrogance with certain people which has nothing to with any specific race, religion, economic level, etc. There are just people within every community who simply choose to be selfish.

Honestly, the group I think who are above everyone else and really take this seriously are Chinese people. I live in an area which is now becoming predominantly Asian and they take this seriously. Some of the younger people don't, but the overwhelming majority do wear masks.

R583 I wonder if we will start having to 'settle' for ANY brand since our preferred choice may not be available once again...

I'm in L.A. so we are on the brink of being in the highest 'red zone', while currently still riding it out in the orange zone.

Gyms closed this past Monday which frustrated a lot of people, but it was 50/50 on the mask wearing during so the closing kind of settled that issue I suppose...

On the Westside of LA, all the Latinos wear masks. They take public transportation, which requires it, but at their jobs, whether domestic, gardening, etc. they always are wearing their masks. What happens at home, may be a different story but compliance is very high in public. Overall, compliance is excellent on the Westside in general.

R594 I live in a SoCal area with a large population of Hispanics as well, and I've noticed they're generally ALL wearing masks in public. When I've seen people not doing it, it's usually been three types: straight twentysomething couples hanging on each other, overweight white men between the ages 50-60, and fugly women around 40 who would look better with a mask on.

I live in an apartment near Hollywood and a lot of my neighbors are Hispanic. One family is great with their mask-wearing (they have two young kids so they're setting a good example) but the other family is horrible. They threw a huge party on Mother's Day with lots of people (extended family or not, they all don't live together), and obviously there was no mask wearing or social-distancing. I don't think this makes a difference, but they are also extremely overweight; especially the females. The mother can't even go up and down the stairs without breathing heavily. And now someone over there occasionally coughs up a lung every now and then. They just seem...ignorant compared to most who live here.

I was in an elevator recently and most people were wearing masks, except one time a young black girl wore it on her chin. I wanted to point out she should wear her mask like her boyfriend did (he was proper). but didn't feel like arguing. Another time a guy had his hand over his mouth and apologized to everyone in the elevator for forgetting his mask. This was poolside so he didn't even have a shirt on that he could have covered his mouth with. He honestly seemed to be ashamed for it, which is rare with young people. He sincerely just seemed to have forgotten it and was heading back up to get it.

So it varies quite a bit.

We used to never leave without our wallets and keys. Then add the phone into the mix. Now it's the mask, sometimes sanitizer...

[quote] We used to never leave without our wallets and keys. Then add the phone into the mix. Now it's the mask, sometimes sanitizer...

Does everyone have their mask for formal occasions yet?

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