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Coronavirus Freakout 41: Death Takes A Holiday

Happy Memorial Day, DLers!

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by Anonymousreply 59006/07/2020

The general vibe seems to be "we're all good; let's get back to normal - NOW."

by Anonymousreply 105/22/2020

Previous thread

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by Anonymousreply 205/22/2020

🎊 Just watched a news story reporting that fireworks sales in my area are brisk and booming.

I'm sure the neighborhood is going to be booming in the next few days.

by Anonymousreply 305/22/2020

Man drowns after defying NYC swimming ban.

by Anonymousreply 405/22/2020

Texas bars opening today! Viva la Texas. There are times we get it right. It’s been 95 degrees for weeks and we have had less than 500 cases despite abundant testing after closing in March - reopening is right and fair. It’s not NYC - we have plenty of space to have 25% capacity limits, outdoor seating and social distancing.

by Anonymousreply 505/22/2020

ElderLez.....It's R587 from Part 40. I really do hope you will give your thoughts on this. I remember you being rational in some other threads and think you're more "real" than many of the posters on DL and people don't accuse you of being a troll. Unfortunately it seems like I get accused of being a troll on nearly every post because I'm only "moderately left". To some I guess that means I'm radical right-wing and think Trump is a god. I'm not and I don't. I think he is a fucking idiot and needs to be gone. I am becoming very disillusioned with DL because of all this. So maybe you can help me understand. Here was my post from before so it's all in the same thread:

ElderLez, what is your proposed course of action on dealing with COVID-19? I'm asking in a respectful manner. Do you think we should continue mandatory shelter in place, with all non essential businesses closed indefinitely? If so, how long? What is your proposed criteria for lifting shelter in place? Do you think we should wait until there is a cure or vaccine? What if that takes 2 years? Or 5 years? How should the economic devastation that would follow be handled? I'm trying to understand other points of view since mine (which I consider a well balanced approach) is being summarily dismissed by many as "right wing troll" opinions (which is bullshit).

by Anonymousreply 605/22/2020

Walked by a Fogo de Chao earlier. It was almost packed AND the salad bar was in full effect. We're fucked.

by Anonymousreply 705/22/2020

Ohio is a mostly red state...I won't shed a tear if lots of voters get the virus and can't vote!---

Ohio to allow wedding receptions of up to 300 people starting in June

Ohio leaders announced reopening dates Thursday for several activities such as wedding receptions, bowling alleys and high school athletic training if they can meet required safety protocols.

Beginning Tuesday, May 26, miniature golf, batting cages and bowling alleys may resume operations. So can skills training for all sports, including contact sports.

Tournaments, games and competitions for contact sports are still prohibited.

Beginning Monday, June 1, catering and banquet centers may reopen and hold events like wedding receptions with a cap of 300 people if they meet required safety protocols currently in place for restaurants.

“We recognize that people want to go on with life and we are trying to provide guidelines and recommendations as to how you can do so as safely as possible,” Lt. Jon Husted said at Gov. Mike DeWine’s news conference. “We want to proceed with cautious optimism that when we follow the proper protocols, we can resume the activities in life that we love without negatively impacting the health of our loved ones.”

The state’s ban on mass gatherings of more than 10 people still remains in place, so tables must be 6 feet apart with no more than 10 people per table, said Dan Tierney, a spokesman in Gov. Mike DeWine’s office.

And since congregating is prohibited, that likely would eliminate dance floors in most facilities. Self-service buffets or salad bars also not allowed. Buffets must be staffed by workers serving food.

Weddings have always been permitted and that will continue without restriction on the number of guests at the ceremonies, Tierney said. Those are often religious ceremonies, which are protected by First Amendment Rights, he notes.

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by Anonymousreply 805/22/2020

r5, that's right, you're not New York. Your state is a freeper hellhole.

by Anonymousreply 905/22/2020

R5 and r6 would have failed the marshmallow test

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by Anonymousreply 1005/22/2020

My post was directed to ElderLez, R10. Please stay out of it if you have nothing constructive to add. She said she will respond tomorrow. I honestly want her point of view on what we should do.

by Anonymousreply 1105/22/2020

Basketball Hall of Famer and Georgetown men's basketball coach Patrick Ewing is hospitalized with Covid-19, per CNN.

by Anonymousreply 1205/22/2020

I think we have to remember that the reason we all had to stay home was so that the hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed with everyone getting it at once, it was not to keep us all from getting it. I think there comes a point where we have to go back to living as normally as we can. More will get the virus and it will thin the herd but we can't all hide for one or two or three years. I think it is the natural course of things. I think we are going into a new existence which will be better and this was to help prepare us. We can still take precautions and can do that for as long as we choose.

r11 This board is for everyone and isn't anyone's personal board. One of the lessons we are all supposed to learn from all this crap is to be kind to one another. If you only want her answer then don't read anyone else's response. I'm not ElderLez but I responded anyway.

by Anonymousreply 1305/22/2020

I'm going to continue to avoid crowds until it's safe. It's not safe yet.

by Anonymousreply 1405/22/2020

r13, no one's talking about hiding for years. If you need to use a straw man argument...

by Anonymousreply 1505/22/2020

R13 Your thoughts in your first paragraph are similar to mine. I got screamed at on the last thread for being a right-wing troll (not by ElderLez, at least I don't think it was her).

I understand your point in your 2nd paragraph. But R10 was being a snark and adding nothing constructive. Sounds like a troll to me so I called him out on it. In hindsight perhaps I should have not made that statement.

by Anonymousreply 1605/22/2020

What is your recommended time period, R15?

by Anonymousreply 1705/22/2020

How can a bar / restaurant even make a profit operating at 25% occupancy?

by Anonymousreply 1805/22/2020

They can't. Many of them will fail.

by Anonymousreply 1905/22/2020

[quote] I'm trying to understand other points of view since mine is being summarily dismissed by many as "right wing troll" opinions

Perhaps you’re getting that reaction because you keep repeating fringe right talking points along the lines of “we can’t just hide in our houses until there’s a vaccine.” Nobody is advocating that. Most would be happy to phase in reopening according to the guidelines the Trump administration introduced two or so weeks ago (and then summarily ignored).

by Anonymousreply 2005/22/2020

Since when was every business guaranteed a profit?

Many business are opening up to realize the demand isnt even there?

I feel terrible for small businesses, I’m just confused as to when we guaranteed every business to be profitable at all times and must never go out of business?

by Anonymousreply 2105/22/2020

I wouldn’t waste my time responding to the rightwing spaz upthread. Life is too short.

by Anonymousreply 2205/22/2020

the fireworks and grillers are already popping off.

by Anonymousreply 2305/22/2020

Wow, classic idiot @R22. Nice waste of a post there. You don't even understand what rightwing means. Hint: it is nothing like my point of view. Obviously DL has become a cesspool of narrow minded people who just want to scream "TROLL" at everyone. I used to love coming here, for years. It was fun and lots of good humor. The virus thread self-righteous troll accusers have ruined it.

by Anonymousreply 2405/22/2020

Happy Memorial Day back, SylviaFowler! I appreciate your hanging in here with us.

by Anonymousreply 2505/22/2020

So R20 you're saying the Trump Administration has a good plan for re-opening?

by Anonymousreply 2605/22/2020

A Great Clips hairstylist exposed dozens of clients to coronavirus while showing symptoms, Missouri health officials say.

The stylist at a salon franchise in Springfield served 84 clients and exposed seven coworkers, the Springfield-Greene County Health Department said Friday. The hairstylist also visited a Dairy Queen, Walmart and fitness center, officials said.

by Anonymousreply 2705/22/2020

Hilarious...someone calls another poster rightwing and in the same post says that "Most would be happy to phase in reopening according to the guidelines the Trump administration introduced". DL is a sad mess of ridiculousness. Are people just saying anything that pops into their heads? Carry on......

by Anonymousreply 2805/22/2020

I don’t think R20 is saying that, R26. The CDC issued rational guidance, which Trump himself instantly disavowed. His lobbying for a rapid, across the board reopening is contrary to what the CDC recommended.

by Anonymousreply 2905/22/2020

You’re not doing your “I’m not a troll!” stance any favors, R26.

by Anonymousreply 3005/22/2020

Yeah, whatever troll R30

by Anonymousreply 3105/22/2020

To R595 from the previous thread-I’d describe my symptoms, which lasted from early April to early May, as moderate, not mikd and not severe. I had chest tightening, in and out fever, head buzzing, heightened tinnitus and conjunctivitis. And it gave me a final kick in the nuts. Well, I actually mean the heart. I now have something called “premature contractions” and have a bit of angina going on. It’s like a nasty heartburn. I was in the ER on Tuesday, discharged that night and I have a cardiologist appointment tomorrow. I was told my condition isn’t life threatening and I’m assuming I’ll be put on medication for life but I know it could have turned out so much worse. I’m 59 years old and in relatively good health except for some skin cancer issues (1 excised melanoma, numerous basal cell bits).

by Anonymousreply 3205/22/2020

When do other posters think the economy should re-open? Now, with precautions like social distancing, etc? In a month? Wait until after a vaccine? I would love to hear the recommendations from DL.

I think we should allow re-opening of non-essential businesses now, with appropriate safety precautions in place. No large group events for a while still. High risk people may need to continue to shelter in place until they or their physicians feel it's safe for them to stop doing so. I support that. Focus extra efforts on mitigating risks in nursing homes since a high % of deaths are in that population. Think about the balance of risk/reward. Ramp up testing all around and use that data to inform decision making.

Everyone's a critic....look forward to hearing proposed solutions.

by Anonymousreply 3305/22/2020

Dang does Trump want churchgoers to die? By insisting on opening chirches up asap he is ensuring thousands of deaths. They were already dumb enough to be going to church so they are easy pickins to manipulate.

by Anonymousreply 3405/22/2020

Stay-at-home orders intended to curb the spread of the coronavirus could end up causing “irreparable damage” if imposed for too long, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNBC on Friday.

“I don’t want people to think that any of us feel that staying locked down for a prolonged period of time is the way to go,” Fauci said during an interview with CNBC’s Meg Tirrell on “Halftime Report.”

He said the U.S. had to institute severe measures because Covid-19 cases were exploding then. “But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

However, Fauci also cautioned states against reducing social distancing measures too quickly, adding they must take “very significant precautions.”

by Anonymousreply 3505/22/2020

Fauci has been around DC for decades, he knows how to play the game, which cocks to suck and ass to kiss...he's an expert!

by Anonymousreply 3605/22/2020

Kuntleigh McEninny....

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by Anonymousreply 3705/22/2020

The problem with Churches opening....these folks may spread among themselves and then go back to work/shopping/casinos/hookers/weddings etc and then spread the virus. Why can’t they continue to enjoy the online services?

by Anonymousreply 3805/22/2020

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 22 - 10:30 PM EST




CASES: 5,303,988

DEATHS: 340,003

CRITICAL: 44,584


CASES: 1,645,094

DEATHS: 97,647

CRITICAL: 17,109



by Anonymousreply 3905/22/2020

Just Leave r24.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass.

by Anonymousreply 4005/22/2020

[quote]My post was directed to ElderLez, [R10].

Fuck off, hall monitor. This is not a private conversation.

by Anonymousreply 4105/22/2020

I saw my doctor today, a fine, intelligent human. It was for my annual check-in. We talked a bit about Covid-19, re-opening, etc. I'd say follow our governors. Test. Identify. Isolate those positive Covid19. Contact trace. Dr. said a vaccine should be available probably by Jan.2021. We should open up as numbers go down. Each area will be individual in these choices and levels of opening up. Finally, you do you. If you want to hibernate until there's a vaccine, do it. If you want to open your business or go out to eat, do it. But continue to wear masks/gloves when within 6 feet of others. Outside is more difficult to catch this virus than inside. Be kind. Be helpful. Test. Vaccinate. This is my take so far.

by Anonymousreply 4205/22/2020

Thank you R42.

by Anonymousreply 4305/22/2020

I don't leave home without masks, gloves and sanitizer.

And that's not going to end anytime soon.

by Anonymousreply 4405/22/2020

Some here are accused of being Trolls perhaps because they spend too much time espousing either/or scenarios. (Open/Shut; Isolate/Die; etc.)

Most of us can comprehend more than an either/or world.

For example, Air Travel will return. But airlines will need to earn the trust of those who would fly that it’s medically safe to do so; just as airlines in an earlier era had to convince the public that flying was physically safe: that only an infinitesimally small percentage of planes would crash.

It’s going to take time.

No one can tell you if it’ll be five months or five years. If several airlines will go bankrupt. Or, if future planes will be limited to first class, physically separated seats with ultra high filtration, air circulation and cleaning.

We only know that some variation will happen, eventually. We know that many will die en route to normal. And that normal will look different than it does now.

by Anonymousreply 4505/22/2020

Everyone at one time or another has been accused of being a troll.

It no longer has an impact.

It means nothing.

by Anonymousreply 4605/22/2020

NO, you cannot do you. Not in the middle of a pandemic where one simple person could cause a cluster of infections, there is no you.

You only have facts to deal with, and the fact is 90k+ Americans have died because of the pandemic. There is no choice. There is only carying about others or not.

by Anonymousreply 4705/22/2020

The problem is Americans are generally dumb fucks. Anthony Fauci provides good guidelines, but the problem is you have to have a BRAIN to understand .

Said Re-opening is not flipping a light switch, it’s using a dimmer.

If a person understands social distancing and agrees to wear a mask and has common sense , smart and slow Re-opening is doable . But wah wah, people just want to go back to normal. Sorry - ain’t gonna happen

by Anonymousreply 4805/22/2020

Ignore them, r24. You raise good points. People who have no answers to them resort to name-calling.

We’re all just a little tense around here. Chill. We may not have good answers just yet.

by Anonymousreply 4905/22/2020

Death Becomes U.S. was a really good read.

by Anonymousreply 5005/22/2020

R42, tells us what has changed in your doctor's office, did everyone wear a mask? Was your doctor wearing one?

by Anonymousreply 5105/22/2020

Cuomo announced that gatherings of 10 people are now allowed. It's all over! Ditch those masks and start partying!

by Anonymousreply 5205/22/2020

GRAVEDIGGERS in Brazil are working 12-hour shifts in a race to keep up with the death toll from the coronavirus pandemic.

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by Anonymousreply 5305/22/2020

Any theories on why Trump wants religious people to get sick and die? Is he simply satanic?

by Anonymousreply 5405/22/2020

R51 What changed? Yes Dr. & all assts. wore masks & gloves. So did I. Otherwise, same old, same old. It was nice to see them again. Funny, the assistant said she knew of nobody who has tested positive yet, when I asked her. I know if nobody either. Everyone otherwise acted in the office like it was just another day. Everything seemed cleaner than clean, too.

I'm in northern CA btw.

by Anonymousreply 5505/22/2020

The current President of Brazil is an absolute monster. Possibly worse than Trump (I know.) I wonder how long he stays alive. This is South America after all.

by Anonymousreply 5605/22/2020

Bolsanaro should probably sleep with one eye open. This is Brazil we are talking about. They'll have him out within 3 months.

by Anonymousreply 5705/22/2020

Trump and the Republican governors think they can hide the dead bodies from everyone - it's only a few percent who die, after all. People might know a family where one or a few people died but, overall, most people will be okay. The thing is, once these churches start turning into COVID-19 hotspots, there will be entire communities of churchgoers who will be very aware of the deaths among their congregations - and they will know who to blame for allowing this to happen.

by Anonymousreply 5805/22/2020

Trump is trying to score extra votes by opening Churches.

Our Bishop of the local Catholic Diocese is not ready to open Churches to the public just yet. Churches will livestream masses for the present time until it's considered safe to reopen the doors. Worshippers have been told to expect some changes in how services are conducted when they are permitted back inside the Churches.

Personally, I applaud this decision place the health and safety of parishioners a top priority.

by Anonymousreply 5905/22/2020

Reuters @Reuters · 1h Brazil jumps to world No. 2 in coronavirus cases, behind the U.S.

by Anonymousreply 6005/22/2020

KTLA @KTLA · 1h Dodger Stadium will serve and Los Angeles' newest and largest coronavirus testing location starting next Tuesday

by Anonymousreply 6105/22/2020

anyone been to the dentist yet?

ABC News @ABC · 29m Even the most routine procedures can produce aerosol particles and droplets, which linger in the air and can spread coronavirus from asymptomatic patients to anyone who sits in the same operating room—and some hygienists are pushing back:

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by Anonymousreply 6205/22/2020

We just started phase II which is supposed to be curbside pickup, but when I drove downtown people were thronging restaurants, not social distancing, and not wearing masks. Young people. They don't care if old people die.

by Anonymousreply 6305/22/2020

Yes, it's just the young people. Not this old cunt.

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by Anonymousreply 6405/22/2020

Coronavirus kills pastor who claims he cured coronavirus with faith

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by Anonymousreply 6505/22/2020

There are a shit ton of right wing trolls. I read without being logged in, logged in and poof a bunch of stupid, cavalier fuck tards tweets were gone. Some of the responses alone show that these people are provocateurs. There are also all of a sudden people saying shit like we can’t live inside for two or three years and Texas only has 500 deaths. If you don’t want to live inside for a prolonged period, you have to stop the spread. Texas has 1,460 REPORTED deaths. Freedom isn’t the right to put others in harms way. Now, everyone watch out for these fucking traitors. If they’re advocating for back to normal remember they aren’t epidemiologists, they’re trolls here to be divisive and cause chaos. If someone has a tone in their writing that is off and is advocating for even a part of any trumpist malevolent shit, block them; they’re paid trolls.

by Anonymousreply 6605/22/2020

That is quite the conspiracy theory you've got going there, R66. I was accused of being a troll but as time progressed it turns out there are others who agree with some of my points as a self-described moderate/slightly left. And the people who have no rational response are the ones who scream "troll! block him!". I have never been a paid troll. So put on your tinfoil hat and try to calm down. If your ridiculous post was not directed at the likes of me, then pardon my response and carry on. If it was directed at me, fuck off and go back to hiding under the bed.

by Anonymousreply 6705/22/2020

[quote] I'm trying to understand other points of view since mine

You've shown no evidence of this. Any time someone makes a rational argument (like arguing that we should follow the White House's own (ignored) guidelines and not reopen until there have been at least two uninterrupted weeks of declining cases), you simply launch into one of your "We can't stay locked up forever!" tirades. You've made no attempt to listen to or respect anyone's opinions but your own.

by Anonymousreply 6805/22/2020

I was just pondering something. With businesses starting to re-open with safety protocols in place (physical distancing, masks, etc.) some are concerned that there will be a spike in cases. Forget about large group events for a minute (concerts, theaters, conventions, etc.). We've been going to the grocery stores and pharmacies for months and that hasn't caused a spike in cases. Hospitalizations and deaths in LA county are down 15% according to the county health director today on her noon briefing. Why would similar physical circumstances in other types of businesses cause a problem? IF people follow the common sense guidelines.

Here's something else to consider. People are concerned that sometimes people are starting to congregate in groups and disregard guidelines. But is that related to businesses opening, or just behavior related to restlessness after 2+ months of shelter in place? Point is that because some bad behavior coincides with the timing of business re-openings, that doesn't mean cause and effect.

Points to consider as society tries to figure out how to proceed......

by Anonymousreply 6905/22/2020

R68 it appears you have not read all my posts. I have not gone into "tirades". Just stop it. And I have asked others to post their enlightened plans on how the world should proceed (see my R33 post) so I can consider those points of view. Nobody has put forth their DL plan for the world yet. Just the usual drama and things like stating that we should follow the Trump whitehouse plan (really? I thought Trump was an idiot? oh my, the irony!). Hopefully ElderLez will have some thoughts worth listening to tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 7005/22/2020

So apparently many businesses that rushed to reopen in Georgia have no customers.

So what was the point in the rush?

by Anonymousreply 7105/22/2020

more stores open = more opportunities for corona to spread= increase in cases.

by Anonymousreply 7205/22/2020

[quote] Nobody has put forth their DL plan for the world yet.

[quote] Hopefully ElderLez will have some thoughts worth listening to tomorrow.

Why does ElderLez, or any other DL'er, owe you a "plan for the world"? And why have you appointed yourself the boss of DL and the final judge of those plans?

by Anonymousreply 7305/22/2020

I'm not demanding anyone do anything. I am ASKING for people to share their points of view. It's what people do as part of discussion on a topic. Why are you so bitter towards me R73? I haven't done anything to you. You sound so ridiculous. If you had a crappy day and want to talk about it, feel free to share. Maybe someone can help give some perspective.

by Anonymousreply 7405/22/2020

Thanks R72. But shouldn't the physical distancing and masks mitigate that risk for the most part? It seems to be working at grocery stores and pharmacies. Obviously there's no way to know anything with 100% certainty but it seems logical it should work.

by Anonymousreply 7505/22/2020

[quote] I am ASKING for people to share their points of view.

You are asking for people to share their points of view so that you can criticize them and then repeat your talking points.

by Anonymousreply 7605/22/2020

R62, Made an appointment for next month (original appointment was in mid-March).

I have some fillings that should be done, and although I'm not sure if I feel 100% ready to go in, I also lose my health/dental benefits at months end. So I'm in a bind.

by Anonymousreply 7705/22/2020

R76 that is an incorrect assumption. Do you have ideas on what we should do? Everyone is a critic but nobody is bringing forth solutions. That's one of my points. You are confirming it.

Would you like to discuss why you're so bitter towards me? It's starting to seem a bit unhinged. I had a shitty week too and hope things will get better for everyone.

by Anonymousreply 7805/22/2020

^ including you R76.

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[quote] Do you have ideas on what we should do?

Yes, I have a great idea. Everyone should drink a gallon of bleach. You can go first, R78.

by Anonymousreply 8105/22/2020

What a helpful comment R81. Is there a reason for being so childish? Do you need help with something? Maybe we can help you sort something out.

by Anonymousreply 8205/22/2020

R75, did you not read the report posted by someone in the previous thread about how an ASYMPTOTIC person went to a restaurant to eat and managed to spread the virus to 45 people in 2.5 hours. I think the ventilation in the restaurant was also an issue.

you can't wear mask while you're eating...

by Anonymousreply 8305/22/2020

But then's easier to deflect and make someone else the bad guy, when you have no helpful suggestions. We are all in a shitty situation. If my middle-ground approach doesn't work for you, by all means tell us what we should do.

by Anonymousreply 8405/22/2020

Yes, I saw that story R83. I think there are physical environments where the risk might be too high. It might have to be case by case. Some of the restaurants in my area are working with the city to be allowed to use outdoor space on sidewalks and maybe even the right lane of the road for seating so people can be outside and spread out (we have a number of cases where that's already been done successfully, so it's a matter of expanding that due to our current situation). It is an interesting idea.

by Anonymousreply 8505/22/2020

Alert!!! R69 (aka moderately left) has created 22 out the 85 posts on this thread so far.

by Anonymousreply 8605/22/2020

[quote] Is there a reason for being so childish?

Says the person who has called other posters "classic idiots" and has told them to "take their meds," and who has called DataLounge a "sad mess of ridiculousness." Yeah, you've really elevated the dialogue, R82.

by Anonymousreply 8705/22/2020

Anything else you want to get off your mind R87? Did you consider that I chose those words while being under relentless attack by others on DL for posts not intended to provoke drama, but just thought and discussion?

Do you want to discuss anything meaningful or just attack me?

by Anonymousreply 8805/22/2020

R85 here. Parklets is what I was referring to about restaurants expanding their seating outdoors. I thought it sounded crazy until I saw it done, and it can be really cool in the right spot.

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by Anonymousreply 8905/22/2020

...and it gives restaurants the possibility of expanding their physical space while maintaining their table count. If for example, health guidelines are for restaurants to only operate at 50% capacity so that people are not crammed too close together, they might be able to get back to 100% capacity if they can utilize space outdoors that's outside their original footprint. Some city planners love it because it creates a village-like atmosphere in what might otherwise be a dreary streetscape.

by Anonymousreply 9005/22/2020

Why is anyone entitled to money simply because they fell out of the vagina of someone who has lots of it?

by Anonymousreply 9105/22/2020

^ OOPS!!!! Wrong thread. That was for the Tori Spelling thread. My apologies!

by Anonymousreply 9205/22/2020

[bold]Trump's tower of folly.[/bold]

(I'mont responsible for this but I like it).

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Not responsible

by Anonymousreply 9405/22/2020

Good catch R86. But verbose disingenuity =/= Troll

by Anonymousreply 9505/23/2020

[quote] Dr. said a vaccine should be available probably by Jan.2021.

I don't see how that is even remotely possible. It has to be developed, tested and manufactured all in 8 months?

by Anonymousreply 9605/23/2020

From The Guardian: Why we might not get coronavirus vaccine (warning its a depressing read)

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by Anonymousreply 9705/23/2020

[R86], it's the Johnstown flood attached to some overworked keyboard. I'm enjoying it, though. Whoever it is, they're creepily fucked. I feel a bit sorry for the keyboard, though. Processing megatons of disingenuous rant won't be easy...

by Anonymousreply 9805/23/2020

You need a new doctor, R42. There is no reason to think that there will be a vaccine developed, tested, and ready to market at the end of this year. Not even Tony "I'm a Government Mouthpiece and Will Say Almost Anything" Fauci is predicting it can be done that quickly. In fact, he is cautioning that it will not be done that quickly. So if there is no reason to think such a thing could be done, there is even less reason for a physician to be handing out un-honey-glazed fantasy about it to his patients.

"You do you" is even worse advice. You go to your doctor to be given the real facts on the matter, not to be told to do any goddamned thing you want. If that doctor visit went the way you have reported it here, your doctor is a public health menace.

Were you at a physician's office or were you seeing your chiropractor?

by Anonymousreply 9905/23/2020

[quote]We've been going to the grocery stores and pharmacies for months and that hasn't caused a spike in cases.

"Over the course of April and into early May, the numbers hovered around 25,000 new cases per day, which indicates that the U.S. is riding steady in its peak. New cases are beginning to decline in hard hit areas such as New York City. But the steady overall tally for the nation means spikes are occurring elsewhere."

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by Anonymousreply 10005/23/2020

Appalled but not shocked: yesterday Fauci was pimping for Moderna, saying it was "promising." Just needed "peer review." In a journal somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 10105/23/2020

[quote]So what was the point in the rush?

To keep small businesses unable to make insurance claims and prevent workers from getting unemployment.

by Anonymousreply 10205/23/2020

Another report on using shed virus in local sewage as a way to predict the severity of a city's outbreak. This was first done in Paris, this paper is from Yale. Municipalities everywhere really need to start doing this.

[quote] ..when adjusted for the time lag, the virus RNA concentrations were highly correlated with the COVID-19 epidemiological curve and local hospital admissions

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⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 23 - 10:15 AM EST




CASES: 5,339,093

DEATHS: 340,695

CRITICAL: 44,604


CASE: 1,647,212

DEATHS: 97,696

CRITICAL: 17,109



by Anonymousreply 10405/23/2020

R99 Except for the comment about a vaccine, that doctor's advice was perfectly reasonable.

by Anonymousreply 10505/23/2020

If a vaccine is rushed out there late this year, will you be comfortable getting it right away? I will wonder what corners were cut in the testing process, specifically the safety testing.

by Anonymousreply 10605/23/2020

Something about Fauci's demeanor lately that made me wonder if he was transitioning to the Dark Side.

R101 just confirmed my suspicions.

by Anonymousreply 10705/23/2020

Fauci started his career on the dark side. He was Ronald Reagan's mouthpiece on HIV. It doesn't get any darker than that. Then he segued to being Bush's mouthpiece, and continued spewing support for the conservative administrations. His dark side bona fides are SOLID.

He has adapted as necessary. Between being confronted with ACT UP and Bill Clinton, he changed his tune a bit. Now he's solidly back on the dark side.

Where he should be is back in the lab producing that HIV vaccine and cure that he has been optimistically talking about for 39 fucking years.

by Anonymousreply 10805/23/2020

Acting out in defiance of the evidence and proven scientific facts of COVID-19 is now fully baked into the Republican brand. The public health repercussions of this are unimaginable now, but you just watch.

And Darkness and Decay and the Orange Death will hold illimitable dominion over all.

by Anonymousreply 10905/23/2020

Girls, girls, stop fighting. You both can have Coronavirus.

by Anonymousreply 11005/23/2020

Guardian-More than 40 people have been infected with coronavirus after attending at a mass in Frankfurt, Germany earlier this month. Six were admitted to hospital. The service was held on May 10, a few days after the reopening of places of worship in Germany, the daily Frankfurter Rundschau reported.

by Anonymousreply 11105/23/2020

R106, I’m with you. Normally I’m all for vaccines, and I’m about to go back to my pre-Coronavirus regime of catching up with vaccines ASAP, but Trump has pretty much eliminated any type of oversight related to Coronavirus. All those tests out there with false positives and negatives happened because Trump insisted on hamstringing the FDA and wouldn’t let them quality control any of the tests.

So now I’m supposed to just trust the vaccine won’t be dangerous? Only if Trump is gone.

by Anonymousreply 11205/23/2020

They're talking about closing streets in DC so cafes can have more outdoor seating. I'm all for that

by Anonymousreply 11305/23/2020

Though I hope as much as anyone that we could come up with a vaccine for this virus, my only fear is that Trump will take personal credit if it happens while he's still in office (and the media, for the most part, will allow him to get away with it).

by Anonymousreply 11405/23/2020

[R113] That sounds fun! I would love to be sitting outside with privacy enough to not have people eavesdropping on conversation.

by Anonymousreply 11505/23/2020

Guess what Trump is doing today? Golfing.

Guess what Trump tweeted about Obama in 2014

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by Anonymousreply 11605/23/2020

Trump doesn't own this pandemic, and the United States isn't the only country racing for a cure.

by Anonymousreply 11705/23/2020

A hairstylist worked while symptomatic and exposed 91 people to coronavirus

(CNN)A hairstylist with coronavirus worked for eight days this month while symptomatic, exposing as many as 91 customers and coworkers in Missouri, health officials said.

The case highlights the threats of community spread in the United States as businesses reopen after weeks of restrictions to combat the spread of coronavirus.

In this instance, the 84 customers exposed got services from the hairstylist at Great Clips, said Clay Goddard, director of the Springfield-Greene County Health Department. In addition to the customers, seven coworkers were also notified of exposure.

It's unclear when the stylist tested positive but the infection is believed to have happened while traveling. The stylist worked May 12 through Wednesday, health officials said Friday. At the time, businesses such as barbershops and hair salons were allowed to operate in the state.

"The individual and their clients were wearing face coverings. The 84 clients potentially directly exposed will be notified by the Health Department and be offered testing, as will seven coworkers," the Springfield-Greene County Health Department said in a statement. "It is the hope of the department that because face coverings were worn throughout this exposure timeline, no additional cases will result."

Goddard did not provide details on the identity or the condition of the stylist. He said health officials have reached out to the people who were exposed, adding that the hairstylist had kept impeccable records that made contact tracing possible.

But he cautioned about the risks of overwhelming resources.

"I'm gong to be honest with you: We can't have many more of these," he said at a news conference. "We can't make this a regular habit or our capabilities as a community will be strained."

Health officials provided a detailed timeline of all the places the stylist visited, including a local Dairy Queen, a Walmart and a CVS pharmacy.

They urged those who may have gone to those places to be on the lookout for coronavirus symptoms.

Goddard said he was pleased with the deep cleaning measures taken by Great Clips, adding that he now considers the business safe.

by Anonymousreply 11805/23/2020

who the fuck are they polling?

MSNBC @MSNBC · 41m President Trump has maintained a positive approval rating for his handling of the economy through the coronavirus pandemic, polls show.

by Anonymousreply 11905/23/2020

Bloomberg QuickTake @QuickTake · 9m Coronavirus is killing Brazilian nurses faster than anywhere else in the world as the pandemic spreads.

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The Associated Press @AP Chief Justice John Roberts tells graduating seniors at his son’s Connecticut high school that the coronavirus has “pierced our illusion of certainty and control.” He counseled students to make their way in the world with humility, compassion and courage.

by Anonymousreply 12105/23/2020

The Associated Press @AP Chief Justice John Roberts tells graduating seniors at his son’s Connecticut high school that the coronavirus has “pierced our illusion of certainty and control.” He counseled students to make their way in the world with humility, compassion and courage.

by Anonymousreply 12205/23/2020

R67 is exactly what R66 is talking about. A Trumpbot voting moron. Thanks for pointing yourself out, dipshit. Another easy block and ignore for the “BACK TO WORK” psychos. You first, nutbag. Have fun with that.

by Anonymousreply 12305/23/2020 @ComicBook · 3m Universal Orlando is set to reopen June 5th, but the theme park is warning visitors, making it clear that visiting the park poses an "inherent risk" of coronavirus exposure.

by Anonymousreply 12405/23/2020

I know a bunch of people are going to show up without masks to make a scene and go viral on Deplorable Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 12505/23/2020

CNBC International @CNBCi · 39m More than 1 in 4 Americans are raiding their retirement accounts after a coronavirus-related job loss

by Anonymousreply 12605/23/2020

Newsweek @Newsweek · 7m More than 40 people diagnosed with coronavirus after attending church service in Germany

by Anonymousreply 12705/23/2020

Things are definitely bubbling in India. So far, today's cases and deaths are more or less in line with yesterday's figures according to Worldometer. However, today's figures also include nearly 9K seriously ill/critical patients which is the second highest in the world after the US. Yesterday, there were no such cases reported. Not surprisingly, both cases and deaths are rising as more testing becomes available. A real disaster in the making.

by Anonymousreply 12805/23/2020

R128, India’s going to be a case of cases exploding after widespread testing is available. The cases are already there, they just couldn’t measure them.

I think that happened in Russia too.

by Anonymousreply 12905/23/2020

R128: And the average temp in India, as of today, is 94 degrees. So much for warm weather making the virus go away.

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[quote]Brazil jumps to world No. 2 in coronavirus cases, behind the U.S.

But, but, but...heat was supposed to save us all. I'm so sick of stupid people.

Speaking of stupid people...the ignorance here about a vaccine is astonishing. I mean, have some of you not even read anything before commenting? No, it's not going to be years and years. The reason? They already had vaccines in late stage development for SARS and MERS. The research was already there and completed through early human trials for many of them. The Oxford vaccine is already in late phase human trials. That is one of the last steps before production begins. I mean, really, at least google 'covid vaccine' and read the first article or two before you start commenting about how the vaccines are years and years away and everything is being rushed and it's never going to work. Ignorance is unbecoming.

by Anonymousreply 13105/23/2020

Congratulations on your results NYCTechie!

I got swabbed this morning for clearance on my procedure on Tuesday, but it'll be a day before I get my results.

Let me preface what I am saying below by restating that I am a lay person and these are my personal imperfect views.

Dear moderately left., I have to say I am a little confused by your bringing your politics into this. The virus doesn't care about who you vote for and your view on ideal tax policy. Decisions about health in general and infectious diseases in particular should be apolitical. No one says give me chemo rather than radiation because I like Ike.

The very disappointing fact is that the majority of US population hasn't had this virus and if given a chance to regain a toe hold it will explode again. What is the general US exposure rate? About 3%, right? And there are 100,000 dead already with the ICUs having held. When the ICUs get overrun the death rate goes from 1ish% to 5ish%. The flattening needs to be done very slowly until we hit about 60% of the population infected to keep the number dead to not much more than a million if we don't have a medical break through.

So I think these are the options before we get back to life somewhat like we knew it:

1) Effective, safe vaccine approved, manufactured and widely adopted 2) Effective, safe mitigation technology (fingers crossed on far UV) discovered and widely adopted plus effective, safe treatment approved 3) Continuation of social shut-down for several years (in a smarter manner hopefully) to maintain an R-0 of 1 or under until we hit the 60% (or 70% or whatever it takes to slow the spread down to an R-0 of 1 or below without a shut-down) 4) 5 million plus dead in a horrifically short time leading to who knows what level of societal break-down.

So our priorities ought to include increased funding for biomedical research to get us to outcome number 1 or 2 (or both) as fast as possible. Non-specific and/or factually inaccurate bad mouthing of researchers, NIH, Fauci and pharma companies is horribly counterproductive.

Our other priority ought to be on the getting this shut-down smarter side. This virus spreads through respiratory droplets that linger in indoor air for 8 - 12 minutes. We all should be wearing masks whenever we are outside our homes distanced or not. Face shields over masks should be worn when social distancing is not possible, like on public transportation. Face shields should be worn when eating and drinking in public. Subways, airplanes, elevators etc, should be cones of silence. We can all learn basic ASL to minimize public talking.

I have a lovely, ergonomically correct, multiple screen, fast internet office. At home I am literally underneath the stairs next to the bathroom, with a single screen and choppy VPN access. It takes so much longer to do everything and it is miserable. And I am absolutely prepared to work from home for the next two years because I CAN work from home and I am not a whiny bitch (just a regular bitch) My working from home means I am unlucky to become a vector of transmission which makes it safer for a cancer researcher to get to her lab to do her experiments that can't be done at home.

I am going to stop here and put the rest in a second post.

by Anonymousreply 13205/23/2020

lol I wouldn’t go near a vaccine rushed out in less than a year. Good luck with that.

by Anonymousreply 13305/23/2020

[quote] Universal Orlando is set to reopen June 5th, but the theme park is warning visitors, making it clear that visiting the park poses an "inherent risk" of coronavirus exposure.

In these challenging times, your health and safety is our No. 1 priority. But we also really, really want your money, so we're reopening on June 5th! We understand that some of you may be reluctant to visit because you don't feel safe. But we hope and pray that most of you don't give a flying fuck about the risks, because we really, really need your money. Bring your neighbors, your kids and grandma on June 5th to our reopening! Remember: We're all in this together!

P.S. If you get sick, don't even think of suing us. We warned you of the risks.

by Anonymousreply 13405/23/2020

R130. And cases and/or deaths are also on the rise in several other hot countries including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Kuwait, Pakistan, and Brazil (of course)

by Anonymousreply 13505/23/2020

[quote]lol I wouldn’t go near a vaccine rushed out in less than a year. Good luck with that.

The ignorant show up so quickly. It's not a new vaccine, genius. It has ten years of prior research behind it. It was developed during the original SARS and MERS outbreaks but they didn't need the vaccine after those viruses self-limited. They are just picking up the research again. Would you take a vaccine that has been researched and tested for a fucking decade? Because that's what these vaccines they are talking about are.

by Anonymousreply 13605/23/2020

Most of the twitter accounts urging America to "reopen" may be bots

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It? Which particular potential vaccine are you referencing, R136? And which particular potential vaccines are other posters here discussing? Your post appears to mean something, but only so long as one does read it carefully.

by Anonymousreply 13805/23/2020

Contact tracing is the main way to control this. Why the fuck is any state allowing groups of 300 to gather? Do you have any idea what it would be like to contact trace a group of 300 people at, say, a wedding where they attend and then scatter back across the country a day later? Fucking morons.

by Anonymousreply 13905/23/2020

ElderLez, what kind of test are you getting? is that a more accurate one?

by Anonymousreply 14005/23/2020

The Oxford vaccine, as previously mentioned.

by Anonymousreply 14105/23/2020

Jonathan Lemire is so damned hot.

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by Anonymousreply 14205/23/2020

Trump has been caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place.

He wants to win on the economy, but causing unnecessary American deaths by pushing for the early opening of businesses won't help him, nor will record unemployment and concomitant compensation.

He wants a vaccine, but pushes quackery in hopes of fooling enough voters, causing illnesses and even deaths (hydroxychloraquine, disinfectant, etc.).

He wants the religious vote, but worshippers' deaths will put a damper on their enthusiasm.

He desperately wants to defeat Biden, but cannot make a dent in the popularity of the Obama/Biden Administration in voters' collective memory.

by Anonymousreply 14305/23/2020

R34, I think he doesn't care, but primarily wants to let his nutty "religious" contingent know he's "with them," unlike the godless "Democrat" governors.

by Anonymousreply 14405/23/2020

Not the Abbott one for sure! I am not sure about which one it is though. I went to the Mount Sinai South Nassau drive through. It is just to be able to have the colonoscopy, not to diagnose a possible infection. I'll be floored if I have it.

Amen R136!

Moderna's also for instance R138 although I think that one was developed for Ebola.

Some of the economic damage is unavoidable, but a lot of it is because fear causes decreased spending even among people who have money to spend. I am getting take out at my favorite restaurants and tipping as if I were eating there in person because I want them to survive. I am keeping up my LIRR pass because I want it to still exist when I go back. The US ought to be paying people who need to stay home to stay home, It'll be cheaper and better for the economy in the long run.

Also in regards to workers who need to be on site there are simple things like allowing people to work non-standard hours to maintain productivity despite lowered density.

Now more controversially: We don't know for sure that antibodies give immunity, but it is more likely than not that someone is more at risk if they don't have antibodies than if they do. We could waive parts of HIPAA and the ADA to allow employers to assign tasks based upon risk. In a grocery store, with antibodies employees would be at check out and without antibodies employees would stock the shelves overnight.

And yet more controversially If with genomic screening and big data we could determine who the 35% asymptomatic cases would be (and were sure that antibodies = immunity passport) we could pay them to get infected in group quarantine for two months. They'd be a half way to that 70% number and could then staff lots of public facing jobs.

And most controversially If ICU care does break down and there aren't enough beds, doctors, etc. to go around we could ration based upon social media posts. That seems more ethical to me than age, which is what Italy did. I think a lot of the lets re-open now trolls are really wimps who reassure themselves with the thought the doctors will save them if things go wrong. Such a policy might put some sense in them.

by Anonymousreply 14505/23/2020

R124: Really? Ugh! Forget Florida an dtheir damn theme parks! They don't give a damn about their vistor's safety - just making money. Future trips are to California. I am done with Florida until they have a democratic governor with some sense.

BTW - Just canceled our Florida plane tickets. No refunds, but they offer certicates that can be applied to future United flights in the next 24 months. Since we plan on traveling to Califronia next year, I am not pissed about it.

by Anonymousreply 14605/23/2020

*and their

by Anonymousreply 14705/23/2020

Trump’s only strategy is to sow divisions and complete chaos. As ordered by you know who.

by Anonymousreply 14805/23/2020

NYCTechie I hope the airline doesn't go tits-up in the meantime.

by Anonymousreply 14905/23/2020

Trumpbot retard R136. Another block and ignore.

by Anonymousreply 15005/23/2020

Thanks ElderLez! Keep us posted!

R149: I hope not!🤞

by Anonymousreply 15105/23/2020

From the WSJ

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by Anonymousreply 15205/23/2020

R150. Thank you! I find these threads much more enjoyable and informative without the noise.

by Anonymousreply 15305/23/2020

Elder your ideas are crackpot and illegal.

by Anonymousreply 15405/23/2020

The US and Brazil are duking it out for the most deaths today. The prize is the most fucked in this truly fucked up world. I predict that the US will eek out a win today but all bets are off for the next 2 days due to the Memorial holiday. All states will want to put their best numbers foward for the "good of the country" and shit like that.

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Karens harass a reporter for wearing a mask in Albany, MN. Hillary was too kind when she called them deplorables.

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by Anonymousreply 15705/23/2020

The worst aspects of American culture are on full display. Racism (the Chinese did this to us!), blind consumerism (if the President says hydroxycholoriquine works it must be true!), religious fanaticism (God will protect me!), and general infantile Karenism (you can't tell me what to do because I'm special!)

by Anonymousreply 15805/23/2020

R158, the virus is from China, that's a FACT! and they tried to cover it up and all kinds of telling the world no human to human transmission, all kinds of BS. They need to be called out for their crimes and other behaviors.

by Anonymousreply 15905/23/2020

Texas needs to take its foot off the accelerator!

In Texas, Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said he consults with doctors and experts from area hospitals, "and what they tell us is that we're reopening too fast, and we're reopening in the wrong order."

Local jurisdictions in Texas do not have the authority to issue more stringent restrictions than the state, which began aggressively reopening this month. So Dallas has focused on messaging. The county has a daily "covid-19 risk level" that is currently red, for "stay home, stay safe." Officials are working on seals that businesses can display to indicate they are meeting local public health guidelines, not just state mandates.

The Imperial College estimates for Texas are in line with internal modeling conducted by university experts advising state leaders.

Rebecca Fischer, an epidemiologist at Texas A&M University and part of a team partnering with the governor's office, said the daily caseload was fluctuating, but "it looks like we're not cresting a peak and coming down the other side."

A week ago, Texas reported a single-day high in new cases as well as deaths - about 14 days after the beginning of the state's phased reopening. The state has now reported more than 52,000 cases and nearly 1,500 deaths.

by Anonymousreply 16005/23/2020

Britain, France issue strict quarantine rules for post-pandemic travel

Post-pandemic travel in Europe is shaping up as the battle of the quarantines with France imposing two-week reciprocal lockdowns on its neighbors when travel resumes next month.

Travelers to France from the UK will have to self-isolate for 14 days from June 8, the French government said last week. The announcement came on the heels of a similar quarantine plan announced by the British government from the same date for travelers from France, the BBC reported.

Upon arriving in the UK travelers will be required to inform government authorities where they will quarantine, and face enforcement through random spot checks and fines of more than $1,200, said Home Secretary Priti Patel at a press briefing in London Friday.

Truck drivers, health workers, seasonal farm workers and travelers from Ireland will be exempt from the UK quarantine measures, she said.

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Coronavirus immunity could disappear after six months, study finds

Immunity to the coronavirus could only last up to six months, scientists say.

A study at the University of Amsterdam found that those who survived the coronavirus could become reinfected within six months, casting doubt on the concept of “immunity passports” to allow survivors of the virus to return to normal life, according to a report in The Science Times.

For 35 years, University of Amsterdam scientists, led by Lia van der Hoek regularly tested 10 men for four coronaviruses that cause the common cold. While most were reinfected within three years, there were “significant” drops in antibody levels after six months, the study found.

“Coronavirus protective immunity is short-lasting,” van der Hoek said. “We saw frequent reinfections at 12 months post-infection and substantial reduction in antibody levels as soon as six months post-infection. Achieving herd immunity may be challenging due to rapid loss of protective immunity.”

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Some of you idiots like R150 think that my posting about the science of the Oxford vaccine, among a few others, is Trumptard behavior? You've gone round the bend. You might want to check my posting history, geniuses. You actually look troll-like by spewing your ignorance and then gaslighting people who actually counter with, ya know, facts.

by Anonymousreply 16305/23/2020

R162 yeah immunity to the cold coronaviruses is short-lived. Immunity to SARS-CoV-1 (original SARS) is longer lasting, but not long enough.

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The “Oxford” vaccine is completely unproven, and is NOT going to be the answer. This ridiculous six month vaccine hysteria needs to stop. And especially coming out of the mouths of morons like you R136. That’s why you need to be blocked. Enough.

by Anonymousreply 16505/23/2020

[quote] the virus is from China, that's a FACT!

Wrong. The virus is from God, the creator of everything. The same God the christers waddle to church and worship three times a week. The same God they pay to support when the plate comes by.

The virus came from God and it's going to kill all the Republicans!

by Anonymousreply 16605/23/2020

1411 from 100K deaths. USA on top.

by Anonymousreply 16705/23/2020

Meanwhile deaths the last 5 days:

Texas 152

NY 684

by Anonymousreply 16805/23/2020

Yep. NY numbers are dropping and TX numbers are increasing.

by Anonymousreply 16905/23/2020

R169. The very questionable Texas numbers given their number of reported cases relative to other large states. Putin, is that you?

by Anonymousreply 17005/23/2020

ElderLez, thanks for sharing your thoughts. The thoughts on duration of shut-down is hard for me to get my mind around. But as I'm re-reading your R132 post, I think you meant that list of options to mean we need to do at least one of those 5 options, right, not all 5? If so then I agree more closely.

Most of all, thank you for being rational and thoughtful in the way you replied. I remember some of your posts on other threads and had a very good opinion of you, and you just confirmed why! FYI, I agree I don't like politics being a part of this. I hate politics in general. I started using the "moderately left" signature because some of my views were being misconstrued on the prior thread as "rightwing" or "trumper" which is far from the truth. I allowed those troll attacks to get under my skin and tried to nip it in the bud by declaring my moderately left standing, so to speak, to steer people away from perceiving me that way. It failed but I will keep using that signature line in this thread just so I'm not "hiding" as anonymous. I will try to settle down and not let the trolls get to me.

Someone else upthread made a snarky comment about how many posts I made on this thread. Who cares? It's a discussion and sometimes I do a lot of thinking at night and that's when I start posting.

I 100% agree that we need to increase funding on research (treatment options as well as vaccine development). I have similar views on antibody testing. We don't know for sure if antibodies = immunity but there logically is a likelihood of some level of immunity and that factor could be taken into account when determining how people could proceed and manage risk. Staggering shifts for people who cannot work from home is another way to move along with re-opening while reducing risk (acknowledging that risk cannot be completely eliminated).

What did you think about the idea of allowing restaurants to re-open with added capacity by expanding outdoors (the "parklets" idea in my R85/R89 posts)? I like the idea of the safety (distancing) aspect but also helping the businesses succeed. It's one of those meet in the middle compromises that I like.

by Anonymousreply 17105/23/2020

R165, just making proclamations doesn't make them true, moron. You know nothing and you're not basing your opinions on science or facts. You are a troll. And and obvious one.

by Anonymousreply 17205/23/2020

R112 The scary thing is how crazy fast they’re rushing to get a vaccine out. Normally these things take years. I can’t help but wonder how many corners are being cut in the mad rush.

by Anonymousreply 17305/23/2020

Weren't we "supposed" to hit 100K around 1 August?

by Anonymousreply 17405/23/2020

Asa Hutchinson, Republican governor of Arkansas, says his state is experiencing a second peak of Covid-19 cases.

We're having a second peak right now and they're really about 30 days apart," Hutchinson said at a briefing Saturday.

by Anonymousreply 17505/23/2020

R173, go read up on the vaccines that are being worked on now. Again, these are not new vaccines. They have been researched for over a decade because the research began during that initial SARS/MERS outbreak.

Really, is there some Repug troll agenda to shit on the idea of a vaccine and make proclamations based on their uneducated opinions rather than reality, science, and the actual facts as they currently exist?

by Anonymousreply 17605/23/2020

R176 I agree. Unfortunately some people choose to live in a self-created world of fear and "reaction" without first trying to understand at least some of the underlying facts and data or thinking about the overall picture.

by Anonymousreply 17705/23/2020

^ R177 = moderately left, forgot to sign my post

by Anonymousreply 17805/23/2020

Anyone wish that with all the media attention that muscle freak nurse who got Covid at the Winter Party and who has now been putting out the pictures of his massive weight loss while sick, that even one of them would have asked him about how much his obvious steroid use contributed to his lessened immune system and his huge amount of muscle loss during his sickness?

by Anonymousreply 17905/23/2020

One final viral infusion: Trump’s move to block travel from Europe triggered chaos and a surge of passengers from the outbreak’s center.

Trump botched Oval Office address announcing Europe travel restrictions, leading many US citizens to believe they were about to be locked out of country. Air travel surged – from 30K on 3/11 to 45K on 3/12. Many carried infection, reentered country w/ no medical checks.

Jack Siebert, NYU student studying in Madrid, caught covid in Spain with temps of 104 degrees. After Trump oval speech, his parents raced to get him flight home. He spent 5 hrs in crowded lines at O’Hare. CDC screeners just took his temp and waived him thru.

The sequence was repeated at airports across the country that weekend. Harrowing scenes of interminable lines and unmasked faces crammed in confined spaces spread across social media.

The images showed how a policy intended to block the pathogen’s entry into the United States instead delivered one final viral infusion. As those exposed travelers fanned out into U.S. cities and suburbs, they became part of an influx from Europe that went unchecked for weeks and helped to seal the country’s coronavirus fate.

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[quote]Really, is there some Repug troll agenda to shit on the idea of a vaccine and make proclamations based on their uneducated opinions rather than reality, science, and the actual facts as they currently exist?

R176, you could be on to something:

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by Anonymousreply 18105/23/2020

Dump must be furious. He survived Mueller and impeachment, and just when he thought he was home free gets taken down by a damn virus. Lol

by Anonymousreply 18205/23/2020

"Moderately left" is accusing others of not understanding the issues when he doesn't understand them himself

by Anonymousreply 18305/23/2020

Isn't it crazy? The impeachment seems like it was years ago but it was just several months ago. The current virus situation has taken over a very high % of media attention and other things that would otherwise be big issues kinda got swept away into history.

by Anonymousreply 18405/23/2020

Examples, R183? I don't claim to understand everything, or even claim to be right about everything. I have opinions, of course. I'm learning along with everyone else. This is just one forum for exchange of ideas.

by Anonymousreply 18505/23/2020

I found the Disney surgical masks. I do t think they have room for a filter? But they would probably be ok under a shield. They are for children and adults.

They have Star Wars and the Incredible Hulk.

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Here’s some of my favorite Disney masks.

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by Anonymousreply 18705/23/2020

R185, if you are claiming to be an expert why are you accusing others of not being informed?

by Anonymousreply 18805/23/2020

[quote]The current virus situation has taken over a very high % of media attention

A very high % of media attention? It's Covoronavirus 24/7.

I especially love CNN, how it alternates between stories about how we MUST STAY LOCKED DOWN!! with stories about how THE ECONOMY IS TANKING!!

It is insane. No wonder people are fed up.

by Anonymousreply 18905/23/2020

I see now, you're just trolling and trying to get a reaction. Have a nice day!

by Anonymousreply 19005/23/2020

But R189 - they are right.

by Anonymousreply 19105/23/2020

^ that was me, R185

by Anonymousreply 19205/23/2020

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 23 - 8:15 PM EST




CASES: ,5,397,857

DEATHS: 343,599

CRITICAL: ,53,562


CASES: 1,667,801

DEATHS: 98,674

CRITICAL: 17,134



by Anonymousreply 19305/23/2020

[quote]I found the Disney surgical masks


by Anonymousreply 19405/23/2020

NPR: A day after entering its second phase of re-opening, North Carolina has reported its highest one-day spike in new COVID-19 cases: 1,107

by Anonymousreply 19505/23/2020

Why was the last thread so good and this one so bad. We don’t care about your name or your petty fights with strangers.

by Anonymousreply 19605/23/2020

R195 I wish media would cite numbers that mean something. More “new cases” is a function of more testing being done. New cases as a percentage of total tests done would mean something, or #s of covid hospitalizations. This “big spike in new cases!” bullshit is meaningless.

by Anonymousreply 19705/23/2020

R197, New York has their own tests, and today Andrew Cuomo was telling people they can get tested again if they think they’ve been exposed, like hospital workers or others with public contact. So they seem to have plenty of tests there.

Today, the previous day death number was down again, it was 84. It’s gone up and down a tiny bit for the last couple of weeks, but the trend is down. That’s the first day it was under 100 deaths. Hospitalizations and intubations are also down.

New York has been criticized a lot, but because they are such a dense city, and everyone uses public transit, it’s very hard to get control of a pandemic. But they did it. Now we’ll see if people are trained enough to be able to go out and still keep the numbers down. Lockdown is like training wheels to learn how to live with this.

The places on the upswing are places where people didn’t learn the lesson. If you just can’t live without going to church and breathing all over people from one inch away, you’re screwed. Tomorrow all the evangelist preachers will demand people come in person and give them money, and some of their parishioners will die. Old people like to go to church. And they can be guilted into giving money, and they have a steady income of social security and pensions. They’re a preacher’s best bet to get money. If they die, they’re just killing the goose that laid the golden egg, but I guess they’re too shortsighted or desperate to care.

People should learn from this that churches have denigrated into a clique of people that take pride in making their neighbor sick and looking down on people outside the clique as expendable. How these people can sleep at night is beyond me, let alone call themselves Christian.

by Anonymousreply 19805/23/2020

2020 stolen by a virus.

by Anonymousreply 19905/23/2020

So glad I am not a high school senior now - no prom, senior class trip, graduation! 17 year old me would've just died!!

by Anonymousreply 20005/23/2020

YES, thank you R197. WW.

by Anonymousreply 20105/23/2020

[italic] Corona Freakout Fatigue Syndrome

by Anonymousreply 20205/23/2020

R195 I appreciated this post. Will we have more evidence that un-hibernating will correlate with higher # of cases? Higher hospitalizations? Higher death rate?

by Anonymousreply 20305/23/2020

I think that should become an official term R202!

by Anonymousreply 20405/23/2020

"moderately left" = seriously trollish.

by Anonymousreply 20505/23/2020

I have a watched thread called "Where to retire in proximity to NYC". It all seems so quaint now.

by Anonymousreply 20605/23/2020

Hi R205. I have no idea what your comment meant, but thanks for sharing your thoughts. Hope you're having a great Sat night. I'm just now eating dinner finally and drinking wine.

by Anonymousreply 20705/23/2020

Right now, it means you're blocked, troll.

by Anonymousreply 20805/23/2020

Ok, bye R208. I don't know what I did, but whatever. Have a good night.

by Anonymousreply 20905/23/2020

Dear Moderately Left, I don't think you're a troll, but why not try typing your posts as "anonymous" for a while. Just a suggestion. I think your'e getting picked on because you choose to stand out.

It's fine to share ideas and be anonymous. Then, after you've been on DL awhile, take yourself a moniker. Ideas are more important than names here. It sounds like you want to share ideas, which is great.

Trolls come on DL to make trouble. Others will generally agree if someone is a troll. Then just put them on block.

by Anonymousreply 21005/23/2020

There's no drollery in trollery skirmishes.

by Anonymousreply 21105/23/2020

Funny how we've hovered at 100,000 dead for a week now. Somebody is cooking the numbers to keep them down.

by Anonymousreply 21205/23/2020

[QUOTE] block them; they’re paid trolls.

Welp Troll! You think everyone who disagrees with you is a paid shill. Pathetic, paranoid spaz.

by Anonymousreply 21305/23/2020

That’s what happened in other countries early on, R203. In Wuhan they were super careful when they opened up and very restrictive, and even they had at least some bump.

The countries that have opened up and are still doing fairly well are countries where everyone wears a mask to go outside and they curtail unnecessary close socializing and travel. Those places practice social distancing and have a lot of contract tracing. And they take people’s temperatures when they go places. It doesn’t catch all the cases, but it catches some.

The U. S. doesn’t have any of that. And too many refuse to wear masks. Masks are the best weapon we have.

by Anonymousreply 21405/23/2020

R174, A badge of honor, really. Because we tested, and we found new cases. Other countries don't test as much, we have the most tests, tremendous, right, Debbie? in the world, more than CHEYE-na.

I have a great relationship with Xi, get along well, but I had to tell him this morning, Xi, don't lie. Don't lie. I told him. He wasn't happy about it, but that's okay. He hid this plague, I call it a plague, some call it a disease, or flu. Xi hid this vicious enemy from us, but America will defeat this invisible nasty enemy.

We have our churches, some people go to different buildings, but our churches have been perfect. Democrat governors don't want you to go to church, they want you to go to bars and abortion clinics. Sleepy Joe likes to sleep late on Sundays, read Fake Newspapers like the Bezos Post. No church, no church.

So everybody, get out this weekend, golf, I'm going to golf on my beautiful Trump course. Miss the Derby, though, I told Mitch he should make them hold it, but it's now in September, right, Mike?

Have a perfect Memorandum, Memory Day.

by Anonymousreply 21505/23/2020

[quote] Weren't we "supposed" to hit 100K around 1 August?

As recently as about 3 weeks ago, we were "supposed" to have a grand total of about 60,000-70,000 deaths, according to Trump and according to most of the models. Then, almost overnight, the models doubled the number of projected deaths to about 130,000-140,000. Nearly all of the models are based on the assumption that there will be a steady downward slope in the number of deaths between now and August, similar to the steady upward slope back in March and early April. They also assume there will be no second (or third) wave. But over the past month, the daily numbers have bounced around and dropped only slightly. We've basically been in a plateau for the past month. If that plateau continues, or if deaths begin to spike upward again as more states reopen and people stop taking precautions, we might hit 200,000 dead by Aug. 1.

by Anonymousreply 21605/23/2020

R216, the reason the predictions jumped almost overnight was because the models originally took strong social distancing measures into account. When the fucking idiot states starting opening up without restrictions, the models had to remove that variable from their equations. The new models had to put stupidity in place of responsibility, hence the doubling of deaths.

by Anonymousreply 21705/24/2020

Who is the juvenile idiot @ R22 who keeps calling everyone a "spaz"? I haven't heard that since I was in grade school decades ago.

by Anonymousreply 21805/24/2020

[quote]I feel terrible for small businesses, I’m just confused as to when we guaranteed every business to be profitable at all times and must never go out of business?

God, how dumb are you? Demand is raging, fool. People can't be near each other--at this moment in time. Businesses aren't going to fail because of lack of demand. They will fail because they can not survive indefinitely without close contact. Who is going to cut your hair or serve you dinner at a restaurant when this is all over?

Let me illustrate it more clearly by substituting a few of your own words:

[quote]I feel terrible for people who are out of work, I’m just confused as to when we are guaranteed everyone stimulus checks and extra unemployment. Why should they expect to feed their families at all times and never go hungry?

by Anonymousreply 21905/24/2020

Why are all the countries of the world considered separately when reporting on Covid but then they lump all of Africa together?

by Anonymousreply 22005/24/2020

R219, interesting when you edited another's post, it sounds just like a Republican Ayn Rand lover. Are you Paul Ryan?

by Anonymousreply 22105/24/2020

[quote]Funny how we've hovered at 100,000 dead for a week now.

If that's an honest statement, R212 needs to improve his news sources or his reading comprehension.

All week long, there has been a prediction in the press that we would hit the 100,000 during the Memorial Day weekend. And all week long, the numbers have been going up and up, ever closer to the 100,000 mark. Not hovering. Increasing.

by Anonymousreply 22205/24/2020

We'll soon learn whether the warmer, more humid weather knocks out COVID-19 the way it does with the flu and common cold, which seems to be the assumption the Trump administration and its cultists are going on here. It would be great as it would buy us more time to get down to doing the things we should have been doing all along--increase production and distribution of things like PPE, hand sanitizer and disinfecting wipes, design and implement safety systems to put in place so we can carry on with our normal lives in case of a surge in infections, and assemble what we've learned about this virus into clear public health messaging to educate and protect against the sewer of lies and scams out there (including Trump's.)

by Anonymousreply 22305/24/2020

[quote] the sewer of lies and scams

Well stated. That's where Trump has dumped us all.

by Anonymousreply 22405/24/2020

Ah. but the sewers don't LIE about Covid!

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by Anonymousreply 22505/24/2020

[quote] I wish media would cite numbers that mean something. More “new cases” is a function of more testing being done. New cases as a percentage of total tests done would mean something, or #s of covid hospitalizations. This “big spike in new cases!” bullshit is meaningless.

r197 Moreover, the lack of uniform test protocols and reporting makes the # of cases meaningless. Florida is NOT reporting all their cases. A typical drive for me on Commercial Blvd has one or two ambulances w/sirens heading to Holy Cross. Yet, Broward's cases are declining and we are reopening.

There are no valid comparisons to be derived, either over time or between reporting jurisdictions.

by Anonymousreply 22605/24/2020

R226 The inane headlines we keep seeing such as, "Deplorable State's New Cases Jump 2 Days After Reopening!" are so misleading. Any new cases being reported are, as everyone in these threads knows by now, people who got sick weeks before the opening. Even though I'm an anti-reopening doom-monger, the media need to stop implying causation with these types of headlines.

More accurate would be, "Despite Surge In New Cases, Governor Proceeds with Reopening."

I don't think we'll see accuracy and accountability in news reporting again in our lifetimes.

by Anonymousreply 22705/24/2020

Dumps handling of the crisis is in line with his approval ratings...under water.

by Anonymousreply 22805/24/2020

Here's a twitter thread that I like a lot.

By the way talking about summer weather, Influenza viruses are very susceptible to heat and humidity. (I can link the article again if anyone missed it before.) Coronaviruses, not so much. But all viruses are susceptible to UV. I think going to the beach on a sunny summer day while maintaining 15 feet distance from others and wearing a mask should be relatively safe.

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by Anonymousreply 22905/24/2020

r229, we've seen the pictures on those beaches--nobody's wearing a mask or social distancing. And what do you think's going to happen when they get in the water? All kind of shit's going to be floating around in there and spraying around.

by Anonymousreply 23005/24/2020

Did Japan Just Beat the Virus Without Lockdowns or Mass Testing?

Japan’s state of emergency is nearing its end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.

No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a center for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2% of its population -- one of the lowest rates among developed countries.

While the possibility of a more severe second wave of infection is ever-present, Japan has entered and is set to leave its emergency in just weeks, with the status already lifted for most of the country and likely to exit completely as early as Monday.

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by Anonymousreply 23105/24/2020

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 24 - 10:25 AM EST




CASES: 5,436,911

DEATHS: 344,548

CRITICAL: 53,244


CASES: 1,669,311

DEATHS: 98,746

CRITICAL: 17,049



by Anonymousreply 23205/24/2020

A little off topic. Someone posted Coronavirus one-liners on another website. I thought a few were funny.

[quote]I don’t like the fact that my chances of survival seem to be linked to the common sense of others.

[quote]Breaking News: Wearing a mask inside your home is now highly recommended. Not so much to prevent coronavirus, but to stop eating.

[quote]With so many sporting events cancelled, they’re having to televise the World Origami Championship…It’s on Paperview.

[quote]I can’t believe I can walk into a store to buy weed, but I have to meet my hairdresser in a dark alley with unmarked bills to get a haircut!

[quote]Police confront nudist sunbathers over not wearing facemasks amid coronavirus outbreak.

[quote]And just like that…having a mask, rubber gloves, duct tape, plastic sheeting and rope in your trunk is OK.

[quote]Shout out to all the parents who never taught their kids respect and now they’re stuck at home with the little shits!!!

[quote]People keep asking “is coronavirus really that serious?” Listen up! Casinos and churches are closed. When heaven and hell agree on the same thing, it’s probably pretty serious!

by Anonymousreply 23305/24/2020

Wow, I guess the US is severely underreporting so we don't hit 100,000 on Memorial Day.

by Anonymousreply 23405/24/2020

R231 The irony of that article coming from The Houston Chronicle! Japan could pull that off because Japanese people follow directions, consider the greater good, and believe in science unlike TEXANS.

by Anonymousreply 23505/24/2020

R230 perhaps I should have clarified that I meant beaches where that is possible. I live a few blocks from the ocean and so I was thinking of my beach, not the Florida or Texas beaches. Please do keep in mind though that depending on the angle those pictures can look worse than they really are. Drone footage is the best for determining if people are staying apart or not. Salt water is safer than fresh water since salt concentrations do kill viruses. There is risk in going into the water nontheless. See 5.3.3 of the attached.

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BBC-Americans are being warned to be wary of hungry rats who have become angry due to a lack of their usual restaurant food to feast on during the coronavirus lockdown. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said there had been "reports of unusual or aggressive rodent behaviour" due to a decrease in food available, "especially in dense commercial areas".

by Anonymousreply 23705/24/2020

That NYT article is devastating. Hats off to them for taking the time to put that together.

by Anonymousreply 23805/24/2020

In Japan, they'd already been wearing masks for years so easily complied. Weather there is also hot and sunny now, which limits transmission, however much the doomsday troll here claims it does not.

by Anonymousreply 23905/24/2020

I have been tracking FL for a week now. Funny how it is approx. deaths 40-48 every day. They should at least try to lie more convincingly. When the hospitals get overwhelmed in June/July, the truth will come out. Same with GA.

by Anonymousreply 24005/24/2020

Sunny weather limits transmission because of UV rays. Hot weather doesn’t because corona viruses are not influenza viruses. (Heat over 150 F is effective though)

by Anonymousreply 24105/24/2020

Oxford scientists working on a coronavirus vaccine say there is now only a 50% chance of success because the number of UK cases is falling too quickly

The first human trial of the hAdOx1 nCoV-19. vaccine from the Oxford Vaccine Group. YouTube/University of Oxford Oxford scientists working on a coronavirus vaccine say the chances of success are now 50%. They say that's because the number of people with the virus in the UK is falling too quickly. "At the moment, there's a 50% chance that we get no result at all," scientist Adam Hill said this weekend. His colleague Sir John Bell said vaccine scientists might have to "chase" COVID-19 around Britain. Oxford scientists have teamed up drugmaker AstraZeneca Plc to develop an experimental vaccine called ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

Scientists involved in one of the world's leading studies into finding a vaccine for the coronavirus say there is currently only a 50% chance of success because the number of people in Britain with the virus is falling too quickly. The Oxford University mission to find a vaccine for the COVID-19 virus is in "a race against the virus disappearing, and against time," Adam Hill, director at Oxford University's Jenner Institute, said this weekend. Hill told The Telegraph newspaper that the number of people in the UK with the virus was falling at a rate that meant there might not be enough people to test the experimental vaccine known as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. "At the moment, there's a 50% chance that we get no result at all," he said.

Hill's colleague Sir John Bell, an Oxford University regius professor of medicine, made the same observation in a weekend interview with The Times of London newspaper. "You wouldn't start [trials] in London now for sure," Bell told the newspaper. Cases of the coronavirus in England's capital are currently falling faster than anywhere else in the country. Bell said that scientists might have to "chase" the virus around the nation for the vaccine trials to be successful. "The latest figures show 634 confirmed cases in the capital in the past fortnight," Bell told the newspaper.

"In contrast, there was an increase of 163 on Friday alone in the northwest of England, taking the total in the region to 24,295 confirmed cases. "The question is: can you chase the disease around the UK? Then there's the question about whether you chase it internationally." Scientists at Oxford are working with global pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca Plc to produce the vaccine. It's one of several studies around the world with the aim of developing a vaccine for the COVID-19 virus. The Oxford Vaccine Group says it hopes to complete human trials on the hAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine in September.

The first two humans were injected with the vaccine at the end of last month. About 1,100 people in the UK are expected to take part in the trial, which is funded by Boris Johnson's UK government.

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by Anonymousreply 24205/24/2020

[QUOTE] When the hospitals get overwhelmed in June/July, the truth will come out. Same with GA.

With temps in the high 80s and 90s every day? Forget it. You've been forecasting Florida hell for 41 threads. It's not happening.

by Anonymousreply 24305/24/2020

Which is why Texas barely has any cases now.

Oh, wait.

by Anonymousreply 24405/24/2020

The reason the death toll is falling in London is again, high temps. Every afternoon it gets up to at least 25c with eight hours of bright sunshine and is forecast to do this for at least the next three weeks. I live there and only about 50% of people are wearing masks. Elsewhere in the north, temps struggle to get above 20c and it's much more overcast.

by Anonymousreply 24505/24/2020

[italic] Just tell the people what they want to hear !

by Anonymousreply 24605/24/2020

R244: Same with India. Oh, nevermind...

by Anonymousreply 24705/24/2020

Wuhan lab admits to having three live strains of bat coronavirus on site

The Chinese lab eyed as a potential source of COVID-19 has admitted having three live strains of bat coronavirus on-site — but insisted none are the source of the global pandemic.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology has since 2004 “isolated and obtained some coronaviruses from bats,” its director Wang Yanyi said in an interview that aired Saturday, according to Agence France-Presse (AFP).

“Now we have three strains of live viruses… But their highest similarity to SARS-CoV-2 only reaches 79.8 percent,” Yanyi said, referring to the coronavirus strain that causes COVID-19.

“It’s an obvious difference,” she said, according to AFP.

Yanyi trashed the conspiracy that the pandemic started in her lab — one pushed by President Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo — as “pure fabrication.”

Her scientists had never “encountered, researched or kept the virus” until it received samples on December 30, when it had already unknowingly taken hold on Wuhan, the contagion’s epicenter, she said.

“In fact, like everyone else, we didn’t even know the virus existed,” she said of the new virus that as of Sunday had infected more than 5.3 million and killed more than 340,000 worldwide.

“How could it have leaked from our lab when we never had it?”

Chinese scientists have always said that the virus first emerged at a wet market selling live animals in Wuhan.

But US authorities raised suspicions over the lab at the heart of the epicenter — claims that the World Health Organization have insisted are purely “speculative” without evidence being offered.

Chinese Foreign minister Wang Yi on Sunday claimed US politicians chose to “fabricate rumors” about the origins to “stigmatize China.”

He said China would be “open” to international cooperation to identify the source of the novel coronavirus, as long as any investigation is “free of political interference.”

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by Anonymousreply 24805/24/2020

50% chance of a vaccine is 100% bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 24905/24/2020

Coronavirus patients no longer infectious after 11 days: study

Coronavirus patients stop being infectious 11 days after contracting the disease — even if they still test positive for COVID-19 on day 12, according to a new study.

Singaporean infectious disease experts said they found that the virus “could not be isolated or cultured after day 11 of illness,” according to a joint paper from the country’s National Center for Infectious Diseases and the Academy of Medicine.

Researchers looked at the “viral load” in 73 COVID-19 patients to measure whether the bug was still viable and could infect anyone.

“Based on the accumulated data since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, the infectious period of [coronavirus] in symptomatic individuals may begin around 2 days before the onset of symptoms, and persists for about 7-10 days after the onset of symptoms,” the researchers wrote.

Patients may still test positive after two weeks, but tests could be picking up fragments of the virus that are no longer viable for spreading the infection, researchers said.

“Active viral replication drops quickly after the first week, and viable virus was not found after the second week of illness,” researchers wrote.

The researchers suggested that the findings could inform hospitals’ decisions about when to discharge patients.

In the US, many hospitals require patients test negative for the virus twice to be considered recovered from COVID-19.

Though the sample size was small, researchers are confident that their findings will be replicated in larger studies, NCID executive director Leo Yee-Sin told Singaporean newspaper the Strait Times.

“Scientifically, I’m very confident that there is enough evidence that the person is no longer infectious after 11 days,” she said.

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by Anonymousreply 25005/24/2020

Georgia’s Push To Reopen Falls Flat As Consumers Stay Home

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Georgia Opens For Business, But Patrons Are Far And Few

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Missouri among states that conflated coronavirus test results, report says

The percentage of people coming up positive for the coronavirus in Missouri was artificially low because the state combined two kinds of testing results, according to a report.

The state was mixing the results of tests for the COVID-19 virus, which show active infection, with those from antibody testing, which demonstrate prior infection, the Kansas City Star reported.

State data as of Friday showed about 6.5 percent of tests were positive. But after separating the two types of tests, the data revealed 8.3 percent of tests for active infection were positive along with four percent of antibody tests, the newspaper reported. Missouri has had more than 11,700 confirmed coronavirus cases, and more than 600 deaths. At least seven other states have also conflated the testing results and the CDC has been lumping together results on one of its coronavirus trackers, The New York Times reported.

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by Anonymousreply 25305/24/2020

Good! The black people in Atlanta are listening to their mayor.

by Anonymousreply 25405/24/2020

Hey man, did I tell ya ......

Hunter's in the basement right now working on a cure with my daughter-in-law. He told me when I asked him what they were doing down there.

Exciting, man !

by Anonymousreply 25505/24/2020

R219, Businesses need to figure this out so we’re not supporting every single business owner in America. There’s no reason for that.

And I agree, businesses should have at least a couple of months of padding. If you don’t, you’re not making it. Look at JC Penney’s. That’s a multi million dollar business. Obviously, if they can’t survive a couple of months on online shopping, they were done for no matter what. Same with restaurants. What are they paying for? Rent? If they’re closed, they’re not using electricity or gas, and if they lay off their workers, they’re getting unemployment.

A lot of them are open for delivery. They’re selling restaurant supplies out the back door. People want meat and flour and they have it. And you still can’t make it a couple of months? What was your business plan?

Same with nail and hair salons. Sell beauty supplies online or at curbside delivery at a discounted price and the workers can file for unemployment. They still have their wholesalers’ license. And probably have wholesale medical supply house sources for gowns, masks gloves and disinfectants. And they can’t think of any way to make money?

Sell handmade masks made by employees. There’s a garment making company in Los Angeles, Suay, who’s published a free mask pattern and is selling masks. They’re doing great.

This Republican idea of giving free money away to any huge corporation that wanted it, and doesn’t want to change their business model temporarily, is insane. The whole country is going bankrupt over that, and they’ll just open more branches in some country that’s still solvent. The money should go to a narrow group of businesses that’s tightly regulated. Not everyone who wants it. And companies should be pushed towards rolling with the punches, not just putting their hand out.

The impression I’m getting is half the companies in America aren’t profitable and after one month they’re through. Large and small. If that’s how badly you’re doing, you’re not making it. And you never were.

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by Anonymousreply 25605/24/2020

Those Georgia articles are almost a month old.

by Anonymousreply 25705/24/2020

Opening up doesn’t mean recovery. Georgia proves it.

“President Trump’s theory of reopening businesses and other public venues rests on the assumption that government’s intervention to protect the public by instituting social distancing rules was forced upon an unwilling public; remove the rules and people will return, Trump insists.

When they return — presto! — the economy will bounce back, and he will get reelected.

None of that is accurate.”

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^WaPo article from today

by Anonymousreply 25905/24/2020

There are 7.8 billion people on Earth and we're at over half a billion documented COVID-19 infections.

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by Anonymousreply 26005/24/2020

Texas back in business? Barely, y'all, as malls, restaurants empty

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by Anonymousreply 26105/24/2020

🦇 It's not a contest r234.

There are no winners here.

by Anonymousreply 26205/24/2020

JCPenney has been going down the tubes for years.

I'm surprised it lasted this long.

by Anonymousreply 26305/24/2020

r245, so we should believe you and not the Oxford scientists?

by Anonymousreply 26405/24/2020

Head down to the Ozarks, y'all.

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by Anonymousreply 26505/24/2020

R260 where are you getting half a billion from? There are around 5.5 million cases.

by Anonymousreply 26605/24/2020

R242 For a second, I thought that was a pic of Jakey G, and wondered what Jake on a coffee run had to do with COVID-19. Anyway, can't they ship some of the proto-vaccine to Georgia for testing? Or India?

by Anonymousreply 26705/24/2020

Meanwhile, thousands of Hebrews flock to the sea without social distancing.

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by Anonymousreply 26805/24/2020

Guardian- The Brazilian president, Jair Bolsonaro, was branded a “killer” by his opponents after he popped out for a Saturday night hot dog on the day a further 965 of his citizens were reported to have died from Covid-19, Tom Phillips reports. Insults hurled at Bolsonaro as he grappled with his fast food dinner included: “assassino” (killer), garbage and fascist. One female dissenter can be heard screaming: “Get to work, you bum!”

by Anonymousreply 26905/24/2020

“Get to work, you bum!”

Love it!

by Anonymousreply 27005/24/2020

ABC - Birx: 'Difficult to tell' if country may need to close again

Poor dear's run out of Aqua-Net.

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She is such a frumpy mess. It’s always seems like she’s got lint and crumbs all over her.

Her hair is constantly looking like a birds nest.

And you add in the cheap, dated knock-off scarfs from Chinatown and it’s just a disaster.

I bet she’s always late for everything and her car is filled to the brim with to-go trash.

by Anonymousreply 27205/24/2020

U.S. Death Toll From Coronavirus Nears 100,000 | MSNBC

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by Anonymousreply 27305/24/2020

R243 Florida is fudging their numbers and I got that from a neighbor who had temporarily relocated there to take care of her father who was dying and developed an untreatable pneumonia, which happened a month or more ago. They're treating the elderly with outdated tools and not reporting cases. She was wanting to sell her home here (CT) until this last trip down there ( one of those types who does winters in FL).

As for myself, saw an eye dr as soon as I could get that over with bc there were points where masks had to come off. Aside from getting a cut I've rescheduled 4 times to fit the date of reopening, I'm going to just stay hunkered down as much as possible.

The amount of toxic arrogance around masks, freedom and the 2nd ammendment (I'm still not entirely sure how that factor weaseled its way into this, but conspiracy nutjobs had to keep themselves entertained I suppose), unnecessary chances are not worth it to me for a while longer.

by Anonymousreply 27405/24/2020

Two Missouri hairstylists may have exposed 147 people to coronavirus

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R274 I think 2nd amendment got into this because when businesses were ordered into lock-down, gun stores weren't on the list of "essential businesses" that were allowed to stay open. I don't know if that was everywhere, but it became a 2nd amendment issue in my state (California).

by Anonymousreply 27605/24/2020

omg, they say actresses are stupid but this is just retarded!!!!

Alyssa Milano trolled on Twitter for wearing crochet face mask

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by Anonymousreply 27705/24/2020

omg, they say actresses are stupid but this is just retarded!!!!

Alyssa Milano trolled on Twitter for wearing crochet face mask

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by Anonymousreply 27805/24/2020

The husband of the woman who leads the Reopen NC movement says people should be willing to kill, if necessary, to resist the “New World Order” and emergency orders imposed by state government to contain the coronavirus pandemic.

“But are we willing to kill people? Are we willing to lay down our lives?” he asked in a string of Facebook Live videos posted Friday, May 22. “We have to say, ‘Yes.’ We have to say, ‘Yes.’"

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by Anonymousreply 27905/24/2020

So he admits he wants to kill people?!

by Anonymousreply 28005/24/2020

[quote]So he admits he wants to kill people?!

What other conclusion can anyone draw from their actions? There was even a placard at one of the rallies, "Sacrifice the weak".

by Anonymousreply 28105/24/2020

Those people are an inch away from terrorists. Just wait until they find someplace like Costco, where you have to wear a mask, and start shooting.

by Anonymousreply 28205/24/2020

99,031 bottles of beer on the wall, 99,031 bottles of beer ...

by Anonymousreply 28305/24/2020

Things could always be worse ..........

by Anonymousreply 28405/24/2020

I live in Trumpland in a true blue state (Oregon). They only wear masks at Safeway and, I hear, Walmart, nowhere else. No one is social distancing, and They are also still planning on holding a September festival that brings in 10s of thousands. Fun! I am staying at home. We stocked up on groceries before the Stay at Home was lifted for rural Oregon.

by Anonymousreply 28505/24/2020

Birx, in addition to how she looks, sounds like a ditzy Millenial. The Uptalk, "Little Girl" hesitancy, and nasal enunciation makes her sound like a fool.

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Milano's mask has a carbon filter. Nobody around here wears any kind of mask.

by Anonymousreply 28805/24/2020

I wonder how the Granny Vanderpump restaurants are doing. Any WEHO posters here? Is she serving takeout with Shaena as a carhop? Goat cheese balls to go? Ken in the kitchen with Jiggy furiously preparing pasta meals for Villa Blanca, Pump and Sur????

by Anonymousreply 28905/24/2020

R289 I drove by Pump yesterday and I didn't see any curbside takeout.

by Anonymousreply 29005/24/2020

R139 BBC News today is running a story on Turkey reporting that contact tracing is what's proving to work to slow the spread and get things under control in that country. .. Turkey already had an organization in place to do this due to how they've been using contact tracing to fight the spread of measles So when COVID hit they immediately switched gears and began doing it for that.

by Anonymousreply 29105/24/2020

Unfortunately, contact tracing is going to infringe on freedom as per Deplora-Twitter, so that's a no-go in the US.

by Anonymousreply 29205/24/2020

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 24 - 6:10 PM EST




CASES: 5,486,245

DEATHS: 346,225

CRITICAL: 53,197


CASES: 1,684,020

DEATHS: 99,243

CRITICAL: 17,134



by Anonymousreply 29305/24/2020

In today's edition of the New York Times, the name of every single Covid19 victim who passed away in the United States was published.

by Anonymousreply 29405/24/2020

Interesting query, r220. Possibly because we simply don't study the continent in school (except for a unit on "Ancient Egypt").

And possibly because "African-American" is the common nomenclature, as opposed to, say, Nigerian-American, Liberian-American, Congolese-American, etc.

by Anonymousreply 29505/24/2020

[quote]In today's edition of the New York Times, the name of every single Covid19 victim who passed away in the United States was published.

No, they listed 1,000 of the 100,000 victims, culled from obituaries published across the country.

by Anonymousreply 29605/24/2020

100,00 - That's a lot of people.

by Anonymousreply 29705/24/2020

🙊 Oops !

I'm sorry, man.

by Anonymousreply 29805/24/2020

R276 I believe that was also the case in my state but if you had the hours for a permit you've most likely got the gun, and inexperienced, untrained consumers don't qualify for ownership or purchase anyway. It's like me complaining that I cant buy a car and get it road legal at the age of 12.

Not to mention if it comes to it, the government has access to drones and chemical nerve agents. The guns are really only good for killing other people who are not as armed as 'you'.

by Anonymousreply 29905/24/2020

It will be rather fitting when we hit 100,000 dead on Memorial Day. It would be even more fitting if the 100,000th death was Trump.

by Anonymousreply 30005/24/2020

I feel like the universe is sending a message with 100K deaths on Memorial Day. That message is a giant wake up for voting out Trump. Only fanatics embrace death of their own families and friends.

by Anonymousreply 30105/24/2020

I get really pissed off with the pundits and media people who sit in their fucking parallel universe and act like it's business as usual. Do they really think we're fucking stupid? This maniac has done terrible things to this country. But nothing so heinous as the way he deliberately lie and mislead his country about the Pandemic. He is a fucking criminal. A mass murder. In case the media hasn't noticed more than 40 Million people are unemployed. more than 100,000 have died and almost 1 .5 million have been stricken with a disease. All that fucker had to do was begin contact tracing and testing in fucking February and we could have avoided the deaths of thousands. He is rotten. And the Media is worried about some gaffe Biden made in a radio interview with an asshole? Really? There is no way this election should even be close. But eh media keeps propping Trump up and they are ignorant pieces of shit.

by Anonymousreply 30205/24/2020

R286, someone needs to tell her she is not in a college sorority and to stop talking like she thinks she’s the cool girl on campus.

It’s pitiful.

by Anonymousreply 30305/24/2020

R302 So true. .. Reminds me of the following ....

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I went to the store Thursday and while most people were wearing masks, about half of them were just covering their mouths not their noses. I don't know if that is some sort of protest or just stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 30505/24/2020

R305, I think it’s Trumpers. If someone has trouble breathing through a mask, even a bandanna is acceptable, and if you can’t breathe through that you need to be in the hospital.

by Anonymousreply 30605/24/2020

On the contrary, our country is full of mouth-breathers.

by Anonymousreply 30705/24/2020

Add to the metaphor, R300, with Trump at his Virgina club perfecting his putt as the 100,000th death tolls.

by Anonymousreply 30805/24/2020

[quote]This maniac has done terrible things to this country. But nothing so heinous as the way he deliberately lie and mislead his country about the Pandemic

I doubt we know half of what he has done.

by Anonymousreply 30905/24/2020

Two-time Tony winner Kelli O'Hara made this beautiful tribute to honor those lost this year to Covid-19. A fitting memorial for Memorial Day weekend.

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[quote]"reports of unusual or aggressive rodent behaviour" due to a decrease in food available, "especially in dense commercial areas".

Late stage capitalism.

by Anonymousreply 31105/24/2020

First Murder Hornets.

Now Murder Rats.

by Anonymousreply 31205/24/2020

2019 NYC: New York City is so safe now! It's not the crime-ridden shit pit it was in the '70s!

1975 NYC: At least we didn't have to worry about getting mugged by rats.

by Anonymousreply 31305/24/2020

Nature bites back, r312, with the virus on its side.

by Anonymousreply 31405/24/2020

It is curious that the US is banning travel from Brazil while continuing to allow flights from Russia even though their cases are also exploding.

by Anonymousreply 31505/24/2020

Both Russia and Brazil should ban Americans since the USA is #1 in infections.

by Anonymousreply 31605/24/2020

R235, don’t forget clean! Japan is a amazingly clean country. They were also one of the first countries to close the schools.

by Anonymousreply 31705/25/2020

How the coronavirus spreads in those everyday places we visit.

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Dear NYCTechie it was the Roche Cobas 6800 PCR test. The results were negative as expected.

by Anonymousreply 31905/25/2020

R312, I told ya I was hard-core!

by Anonymousreply 32005/25/2020

Genome sequence study in Israel estimates that between 1-10% of infected individuals were responsible for 80% of secondary infections. "Transmission dynamics were driven by an extremely high level of viral superspreading ... suggesting that focused measures to reduce contacts of select individuals/social events could dramatically mitigate viral spread."

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⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 25 - 10:40 AM EST





CASES: 5,532,121

DEATHS: 347,245

CRITICAL: 53,218


CASES: 1,689,581

DEATHS: 99,381

CRITICAL: 17,351


by Anonymousreply 32205/25/2020

I know it's a weekend and a holiday weekend at that, but we should be around 105k with the way things have been going. The last 4 days we've barely moved from 97k. Is the government paying Johns Hopkins and Worldometer to not officially post 100k until Memorial Day is over?

by Anonymousreply 32305/25/2020

Reporting is always sluggish over the weekend, this being a holiday weekend makes it worse. We'll be over 100,000 deaths tomorrow.

by Anonymousreply 32405/25/2020

What's the obsession about setting a new death record today ?

Memorial Day is about remembering our Fallen Heroes who died in service to our country.

🗽 Let's keep today reserved for those who have given so much, and their families who still endure the loss.

by Anonymousreply 32505/25/2020

Gee...what happened? I thought it wasn't supposed to be this way....

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I look at the stats and shake my head in deep sadness but let’s not make it into a reality show or numbers contest. It’s Trump’s Virus now. Need to hang this around his neck. The virus kills and he supports it.

by Anonymousreply 32705/25/2020

Making it into a contest is fun.

by Anonymousreply 32805/25/2020

[quote]It’s Trump’s Virus now.

Can we blame him too?

by Anonymousreply 32905/25/2020

That's great news ElderLez! Good luck with your procedure.

by Anonymousreply 33005/25/2020

Where are all the PSAs declaring that wearing a mask is our patriotic duty? That young Americans have the power (and responsibility) to keep their parents and grandparents alive? That tough times require sacrifice from us all?

The president can't (or won't) articulate it but surely some ad agencies can produce effective spots?

by Anonymousreply 33105/25/2020

R327, but it IS a reality show/game show. It's what happens when a Reality Show/Game show host is elected POTUS.

by Anonymousreply 33205/25/2020

R302, Tell that to Chris Hayes, who still thinks that Bernie has a shot at being the nominee.

by Anonymousreply 33305/25/2020

Joe and Mika address that a bit here, r302...

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British man loses 70 pounds during six-week coronavirus battle

An obese British man says he unexpectedly has a new lease of life after losing a stunning 70 pounds during a six-week near-death battle with the coronavirus.

Kim Wai Li, 43, first fell ill from the virus on March 12 — and spent almost two weeks in a medically induced coma before finally leaving a London hospital on April 22.

He went in weighing 210 pounds at just 5-foot-6 — but was 140 pounds by the time he finally made it home. His waist also dropped four inches.

“I didn’t recognize myself in the mirror when I saw how much weight I’d lost,” Li told UK agency Triangle News, recalling the shock on the faces of his wife and two young kids when they finally saw him.

His battle with the bug initially left him too weak to shower or even feed himself. But now he is getting stronger, he appreciates the fresh start his staggering weight loss is offering.

Li blames his obesity for getting hit so hard by the contagion in the first place — along with causing the high blood pressure that vanished along with the weight.

“I’m determined to keep my weight where it is. It’s a second lease of life,” he told the UK agency. “I was on pills for my blood pressure when I went in and it’s now within normal limits.”

“How else can you take it? You can either sit there and think ‘Wow that was a really depressing episode of my life’ and let it affect you or take it for what it is — that you’ve been very, very lucky,” he said.

Kim Wai’s wife of five years, Ceri, 38, said she barely recognized her husband when he first returned to their home in south London.

“There’s no more junk food for him,” she said. “He’s got a second chance. It’s a wake-up call.”

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Hundreds of public companies keep coronavirus loans from federal program

Hundreds of publicly traded companies appear to be keeping government-backed loans meant to help small businesses weather the coronavirus crisis.

Only 68 of the 424 public firms that disclosed receiving $1.3 billion in loans from the federal Paycheck Protection Program had pledged to return them as of early Monday morning, according to regulatory filings compiled by data-analysis company FactSquared.

That suggests 356, or roughly 84 percent, of those companies are holding onto the money amid the Trump administration’s pledge to crack down on abuse of the $659 billion program. Officials gave firms until May 18 to repay loans without facing further scrutiny.

Some 76 of those companies had enough cash and cash equivalents on hand to cover operating expenses until at least June, a Reuters analysis found.

The firms keeping loans include upscale restaurant operator ONE Group Hospitality, which got $18.3 million from the pool of money meant to help small businesses cover payroll and overhead costs, FactSquared’s database showed. There’s also Hallador Energy, a coal firm that got $10 million, and high-end hotel company Sotherly Hotels, which got nearly $10.4 million, according to the data.

Those are likely to get a closer look from the US Small Business Administration, which has pledged to review all Paycheck Protection Program loans larger than $2 million to ensure the rules were followed. The feds will try to get outstanding loan balances back from companies that they find didn’t actually need the funds to keep operating amid the pandemic, according to officials.

But the SBA won’t scrutinize firms that borrowed less than $2 million because they’re “generally less likely to have had access to adequate sources of liquidity in the current economic environment,” officials have said.

That indicates many public companies like Wilhelmina International — the big-name modeling agency that snagged just under $2 million in loans — will effectively get a free pass.

The Paycheck Protection Program drew fire for initially helping big companies such as Shake Shack and Ruth’s Chris Steak House while struggling small businesses were left out in the cold after its initial $349 billion budget ran out in two weeks. Those two restaurant chains have since returned their loans.

But the second round of $310 billion has lasted longer, with $135.7 billion still available as of May 19, according to the SBA. The average loan size as of last week was $118,000, though the majority of those distributed have been for $50,000 or less, the agency said.

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Dutch government finds second mink-to-human coronavirus transmission

The Dutch agriculture ministry on Monday said it had found what it believes to be a second case of a human becoming infected with the new coronavirus after coming in contact with a mink that had the virus.

In a letter to parliament, minister Carola Schouten repeated that the country’s National Institute for Health believes the risk of animal-to-human transmission of the virus outside the farms on which they are kept is “negligible.”

On April 26, the Dutch government reported mink on a farm in the south of the country had been found to have the disease, prompting a wider investigation of such farms, where mink are bred for their fur. Last week the government reported its first suspected case of mink-to-human transmission.

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by Anonymousreply 33705/25/2020

Unfortunately for PETA, this just means they'll cull a bunch of minks and make coats.

by Anonymousreply 33805/25/2020

Coronavirus and AYDS are great for dropping the pounds, r335!

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by Anonymousreply 33905/25/2020

For my region in southeastern PA that is composed of 6 counties, the infections per day has dropped from 1000 at peak in early May to 300 today.

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by Anonymousreply 34005/25/2020

Trump has lost the support of senior women so it appears over for him. All this attacking and pushing people to kill themselves seems like the work of a lunatic, definitely not a politician who is fighting for his survival. He’s killing himself which is fine with most.

by Anonymousreply 34105/25/2020


Trump Visits Baltimore, Dismissing Mayor’s Concerns About Virus

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R340. Happy for you! But it is the weekend and a big holiday weekend at that. Unfortunately, I think there will be significant increases in cases and deaths across the country in the coming days

by Anonymousreply 34305/25/2020

R341! True, let Trump be Trump. He just keeps hurting himself and his supporters. Next up - R parents who don't want their kids/teachers to get sick because Trump says schools "must reopen ASAP!"

by Anonymousreply 34405/25/2020

Spain is determined to open their borders to foreign tourists in July "by any means possible". Curiously, no mention about the discrepancy between excess deaths and reported Covid-19 deaths. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Sadly, this is where we are at right now

Guardian- Health authorities in Spain have revised downward the country’s death toll from the coronavirus by nearly 2,000, bringing the total number of deaths recorded to 26,834, AFP reports. A new system of gathering data had allowed them to identify cases that were counted twice and exclude deaths wrongly attributed to the virus, said Fernando Simon, the health ministry’s emergencies coordinator. “A variation of 1,900, that’s a lot,” he added. “We are trying to check that it’s correct, but these are the figures that we have at the moment.” The health ministry, which gathers data from regional health authorities, also revised downwards the number of confirmed cases of coronavirus, from the 235,772 announced on Sunday to 235,400.

by Anonymousreply 34505/25/2020

[quote]The virus kills and he supports it.

True. But then he's never had Americans' best interests in mind, has he?

by Anonymousreply 34605/25/2020

[quote]Spain is determined to open their borders to foreign tourists in July "by any means possible".

Italy is opening its borders to International travel in June.

No 14 day quarantine required.

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by Anonymousreply 34705/25/2020

Certainly going to be an interesting summer with travel resuming. Can't wait to see how everything turns out.

by Anonymousreply 34805/25/2020

The photo at R347 ... Maybe the Catholic Church can switch from blessing the congregants with incense to spraying them with Holy Disinfectant?

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by Anonymousreply 34905/25/2020

S.F. Chronicle:

Newsom issues plan for places of worship in California to reopen at limited capacity

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[quote]Newsom issues plan for places of worship in California to reopen at limited capacity

Even if they aren't doing this in response to Trump's blabber, I really wish the governors would not even give the impression they are responding to the piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 35105/25/2020

[quote]Newsom issues plan for places of worship in California to reopen at limited capacity

This, as a COVID cluster is traced to a Northern California church service:

Nine cases of COVID-19, the infection caused by the coronavirus, are now linked to the May 10 service held by the Assembly of God in the Mendocino County city of Redwood Valley. The service was livestreamed to congregants and included singing, county public health officials said today.

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[quote] Can't wait to see how everything turns out.

I'm going to take a wild guess that Americans and British will go right back to flocking to Italy and Spain in droves, milling about in crowds, and behaving like idiots, having learned absolutely nothing from this entire experience.

I feel really sorry for the Italians who have to work at the tourist spots.

by Anonymousreply 35305/25/2020

Churches are cesspools of ignorance, even more so than usual now.

by Anonymousreply 35405/25/2020

Church services are already happening in Europe.

by Anonymousreply 35505/25/2020

[quote]I feel really sorry for the Italians who have to work at the tourist spots.

The Italians are thrilled that tourists can come back.

by Anonymousreply 35605/25/2020

[quote]I'm going to take a wild guess that Americans and British will go right back to flocking to Italy and Spain in droves, milling about in crowds, and behaving like idiots, having learned absolutely nothing from this entire experience.

And what do you think, the Italians are sitting home?

Torino Italy May 25th

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by Anonymousreply 35705/25/2020

The title of this thread is definitely appropriate in more ways than one. For sure, the focus in the US now is the Memorial Day holiday. Deaths are taking a back seat...for now. Despite the euphoria, the reporting lags, and the "fixes" in the red states, I haven't gone anywhere. I am still here, better and stronger than before. See you tomorrow and beyond.

by Anonymousreply 35805/25/2020

Italy is so hot in the summer that I think the virus will die out from the heat. It may come back in the fall, but things should be fine for a few months.

by Anonymousreply 35905/25/2020

Which flavor of gelato will I choose when I go to Italy this summer? I love pistachio, frutti di bosco, pineapple.

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No R359

by Anonymousreply 36105/25/2020

Gelato kills coronavirus.

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by Anonymousreply 36205/25/2020

Memorial Day 2020: When thousands of ignorant Americans think "sacrifice" means staying home; "freedom" means not wearing a mask to avoid infecting other Americans with a deadly virus; and "liberty" is getting a haircut.

Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light

How so sadly we failed from Corona's first breaking....

by Anonymousreply 36305/25/2020

R357 All the more reason to stay the fuck away.

by Anonymousreply 36405/25/2020

By Mid June, around June 15th we should be at 125,000....and that's an undercount.

by Anonymousreply 36505/25/2020

In the UK all non-essential retail shops can open on June 15th.

by Anonymousreply 36605/25/2020

Sadly, we are all doomed

by Anonymousreply 36705/25/2020

Your destination awaits, R360...

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[quote]Unfortunately for PETA, this just means they'll cull a bunch of minks and make coats.

That's what the farms are for anyway. My friend and her husband worked on one in Washington last year.

by Anonymousreply 36905/25/2020

(R360) I love gelato from Italy. Whenever I visit, I eat it for after lunch and dinner!!!

I prefer melon. It tastes just like the fruit.

by Anonymousreply 37005/25/2020

[quote]I know it's a weekend and a holiday weekend at that, but we should be around 105k with the way things have been going. The last 4 days we've barely moved from 97k. Is the government paying Johns Hopkins and Worldometer to not officially post 100k until Memorial Day is over?

It's like a car odometer built before 1991. The count will max out at 99,999 and restart at 00000.

by Anonymousreply 37105/25/2020

Missouri Hair Salon Customer: Stylist With COVID-19 ‘Should Have Stayed home’ | MSNBC

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Won’t we know by the end of June whether people flocking in crowds this weekend will lead to mass infections? From the news it looks like there are spreading parties happening all over the USA.

by Anonymousreply 37305/25/2020

We'll know by the middle of June. Look at the hospitalization and death rates, being aware that the fuckers in the red states are lying. The infection rate means nothing since testing is all over the place.

by Anonymousreply 37405/25/2020

Cases exploding in Tennessee already.

by Anonymousreply 37505/25/2020

[quote]Missouri Hair Salon Customer: Stylist With COVID-19 ‘Should Have Stayed home’

Why didn't YOU stay home, perpetual victim customer? There may have been asymptomatic spreaders there, even if that stylist had taken the day off. Nobody can guarantee a pathogen-free environment for you, especially this early.

by Anonymousreply 37605/25/2020

Brazil has over 15,000 new covid cases in just the last 24 hours. Ye gods!

by Anonymousreply 37705/25/2020

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 25 - 8:00 PM EST





CASES: 5,582,381

DEATHS: 347,564

CRITICAL: 53,167


CASES: 1,706,158

DEATHS: 99,804

CRITICAL: 17,114



by Anonymousreply 37805/25/2020

[quote] Italy is so hot in the summer that I think the virus will die out from the heat. I

It's already in the 90s in India, and things don't look to be slowing there.

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In another year you can explain weather temperature fluctuations vs viral survival patterns.

Right now we know almost nothing.

by Anonymousreply 38005/25/2020

CNN: More than half of states investigating cases of pediatric inflammatory syndrome associated with COVID-19.

by Anonymousreply 38105/25/2020

[quote] Texas bars opening today! Viva la Texas. There are times we get it right. It’s been 95 degrees for weeks and we have had less than 500 cases despite abundant testing after closing in March - reopening is right and fair. It’s not NYC - we have plenty of space to have 25% capacity limits, outdoor seating and social distancing.

In Texas, the ACCURATE number of deaths from corona virus is more than 1530 - not "less than 500." This is the THIRD time I've seen this holiday weekend of idiots just making up a number, with all too many deplorables eager to lap it up. Stop fucking around with statistics that affect other peoples lives, R5.

by Anonymousreply 38205/25/2020

Joe & Jill

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🤓 [bold] Good Luck, Texas.

Remember The Alamo, Round Two !

by Anonymousreply 38405/25/2020

Stylin’ Joe

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He looks ridiculous in those Ray-Ban Aviator shades. They were a thing in 1972. Someone should tell him that was 48 years ago. He's been wearing them all through the campaign and grinning every time he puts them on. Oh, yeah. He's a stud. NOT.

by Anonymousreply 38605/25/2020

Ray Ban aviators are still a thing, actually. They’re classics.

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by Anonymousreply 38705/25/2020

Jill's Memorial Day outfit was FABULOUS. Not many women in their 60s can do horizontal stripes around the midsection.

by Anonymousreply 38805/25/2020

Brit Hume of Fox News basically mocks Biden for wearing a mask:

[quote] This might help explain why Trump doesn’t like to wear a mask in public. Biden today.

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by Anonymousreply 38905/25/2020

Brit Hume is another outdated relic from the past.

by Anonymousreply 39005/26/2020

For R349

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Right, R387. But there are no aviator glasses in the article you linked and no 77 year old men, either.

In any event, the black glasses and the black mask don't photograph well. And his appearance yesterday was a photo op. He should have paid more attention to his presentation. Had he done so, he might have avoided all this foolishness in the press.

by Anonymousreply 39205/26/2020

Brit Hume is a wise and compassionate man. Just ask his son. Oh, wait.....

by Anonymousreply 39305/26/2020

R392, Aviators are still cool, and the 70s are in style again.

[quote] all this foolishness in the press.

You mean made up bullshit?

by Anonymousreply 39405/26/2020

Aviators have never been "cool" on 77 year old men.

by Anonymousreply 39505/26/2020

R386, Too bad for you! They're Joe's symbol now!

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by Anonymousreply 39605/26/2020

R386, Too bad for you! They're Joe's symbol now!

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by Anonymousreply 39705/26/2020

It's kind of a trademark for Biden, I like it personally. You know Memorial Day is to pay respect for our service members who passed defending our country - not the BS wars that followed WW2 IMHO - so wearing a black is appropriate.

by Anonymousreply 39805/26/2020

R386, Too bad for you! They're Joe's symbol now!

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by Anonymousreply 39905/26/2020

I hope they become Joe's symbol now!

by Anonymousreply 40005/26/2020

He looks fine. It's Trump who looks like he's wearing a feedbag.

by Anonymousreply 40105/26/2020

Mike Pence, April 24: “I think honestly, if you look at the trends today, that I think by Memorial Day weekend we will have this coronavirus epidemic behind us.”

by Anonymousreply 40205/26/2020

"Honestly" is a word that Mike Pence should never use. It's just laughable when he does.

by Anonymousreply 40305/26/2020

Reuters: Brazil’s daily coronavirus deaths were higher than fatalities in the United States for the first time over the last 24 hours, according to the country’s Health Ministry. Brazil registered 807 deaths over the last 24 hours, whereas 620 died in the United States.

by Anonymousreply 40405/26/2020

CNN reporter debunks Alabama beachgoers' Covid 19 theories

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⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 26 - 10:10 AM EST




CASES: 5,618,141

DEATHS: 348,545

CRITICAL: 53,131


CASES: 1,708,488

DEATHS: 99,847

CRITICAL: 17,116


by Anonymousreply 40605/26/2020

From the article at R387:


“Aviators were originally crafted in 1936 to reduce visual distractions for pilots in the sky, mitigating the harsh blue and white light they are exposed to. The lenses are large, and slightly convex, covering and protecting the pilot’s eyes. This style was one of the first types of sunglasses to become a fashion trend, transitioning from practical military gear to a style sold commercially. Today, they are still immensely popular, a style of retro sunglasses for men that truly does suit anyone.”

If you open the picture at the link, the man on the left is wearing aviators.

Seriously, why do trolls do this? Just make up shit, misrepresent and lie about statistics, links and facts?

Yesterday someone called out a troll who completely pulled a number out of his ass about state Coronavirus cases. He posted a number that was ten times smaller than reality and claimed it as fact.

Follow the links people post and make up your own mind about what it says.

by Anonymousreply 40705/26/2020

R404: There is a weekend/holiday lag for USA reporting, but yeah, things are bad in Brazil.

by Anonymousreply 40805/26/2020

I thought Joe & his wife looked sharp. He’s trim and was dressed appropriately, UNLIKE the unkempt, untailored Tub o lard president who has major swaying issues when attempting to stand still.

by Anonymousreply 40905/26/2020

I cannot believe all those European countries planning to open their borders up to each other. Watch for a massive second wave in Europe (except for Iceland) and the US, Iran and any other countries that are lifting lockdown too early and who are unable to trace, test and contain.

by Anonymousreply 41005/26/2020

The numbers dropped because of the social distancing and mask rules, not because the virus is weakening or going away. You remove the safeguards that lowered the numbers, the virus will infect with a vengeance and those numbers will go up again. I don't get why counties, states, countries and people don't get this.

by Anonymousreply 41105/26/2020

[quote]I don't get why counties, states, countries and people don't get this.

I think they do. The unspoken truth is that they've made the determination that losing a certain percentage of their populations is preferable to further economic damage.

by Anonymousreply 41205/26/2020

Yep, r412. But of course they really can't say that out loud.

by Anonymousreply 41305/26/2020

to be honest, I saw pic of trump golfing over the holiday weekend and I thought he lost a bit of weight, his belly isn't as big unless he's wearing looser clothing...he's still fat though....

by Anonymousreply 41405/26/2020

R411 i believe if states:businesses are open then they can stop paying unemployment benefits too.

by Anonymousreply 41505/26/2020

R412, Which percentage perforce will include medical staff, educators, transportation workers, Armed Forces personnel, and sundry other "human capital stock" required to maintain societies and their economies.

Then there are those who will die because they simply must go on their cruise, or go to church, or gamble in the casino, or attend a concert, or eat inside a restaurant, etc. Yes, all fine and dandy ways to forget we are mortal.....until they aren't, because we are.

by Anonymousreply 41605/26/2020

R414, Either not he, or from the past.

Compare to his known Memorial Day appearance.

by Anonymousreply 41705/26/2020

Chinese researchers find live coronavirus on feces of patients who died - suggesting the pathogen can be spread through human waste

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by Anonymousreply 41805/26/2020

Is there no dignity in death, r418?

by Anonymousreply 41905/26/2020

WaPo: 11,000 COVID cases are linked to three meat processors: Tyson Foods, Smithfield Foods and JBS.

"Meat companies have spent hundreds of millions of dollars on measures such as protective gear, paid leave and ventilation systems since they were forced to shut dozens of plants that were among the top coronavirus hot spots outside urban areas. But the industry has still experienced a surge in cases, and some companies say they are limited in just how much they can keep workers separated from each other.

"Meat supplies in grocery stores could shrink as much as 35 percent, prices could spike 20 percent and the impact could become even more acute later this year as the knock-on effects on the U.S. agriculture supply chain are felt."

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by Anonymousreply 42005/26/2020

Any updates on the Swedish goal of achieving herd immunity? I am niether for or again the Sweden model. I'm just interested in how it is working out. The last article I read implied they were far from the 60% infection rate a country needs to get herd immunity. Meanwhile, their deaths per 100,000 number is getting worse.

by Anonymousreply 42105/26/2020

No news beyond last week's revelation that just 7.3% of Stockholm residents had developed antibodies.

“I think herd immunity is a long way off, if we ever reach it,” Björn Olsen, a professor of infectious medicine at Sweden's Uppsala University, told Reuters after the release of the antibody findings.

by Anonymousreply 42205/26/2020

...and the US passes 100K reported deaths

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No known animal host and 'almost perfect' human adaption: Top Australian vaccine scientist reveals how COVID-19's unique structure means it's either man-made - or a 'complete fluke' of nature

Coronavirus is so 'perfectly adapted' to infect humans that the possibility it was made in a Chinese lab can't be ignored, Australian vaccine researchers conclude.

Professor Nikolai Petrovsky said the virus was better at attaching itself to human cells than to any other animal, explaining why it has infected five million people.

The vaccine expert warned the investigation into where COVID-19 started, as proposed by Prime Minister Scott Morrison, was as a result urgently needed and should have begun months ago.

The startling results of his research were first revealed by the Mail on Sunday on the weekend - and on Wednesday his team gave Daily Mail Australia fresh details about why it must be considered a possibility the virus escaped from a lab in Wuhan.

The team at Flinders University in Adelaide and Latrobe University in Melbourne studied how well SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, infected different animals.

Coronavirus binds itself to the ACE2 receptor molecule in lung cells using a spike protein - the tighter it can attach itself, the less likely it is to be washed away and the sicker it makes its host.

Professor Petrovsky expected to find an animal that was most susceptible to this, such as bats, and was likely the original source of the virus - but was shocked when humans came out on top.

Furthermore, viruses tend to get better at infecting new species as they adapt over time, but COVID-19 started 'completely optimised from day one without the need to evolve'.

'This is a new virus that has never been in humans before, but it has an extraordinarily high binding to human receptors, which is very surprising,' he told Daily Mail Australia.

'It is almost perfectly human adapted, it couldn't do any better.

'We have to ask how that happened. Was it a complete fluke? It can be as nature has many shots at goal and you only see the ones that land.

'Another possibility which still cannot be excluded is that SARS-CoV-2 was created by a recombination event that occurred inadvertently or consciously in a laboratory handling coronaviruses, with the new virus then accidentally released into the local human population.'

The Wuhan Institute of Virology, a short trip from the city's wet markets, is the lab known to study several bat coronaviruses and is theorised to be where it was actually created.

Most scientists believe COVID-19 started naturally in an exotic animal market in Wuhan and was not man-made, and the WIV has rubbished claims it caused the outbreak.

However, Professor Petrovsky said no one had properly disproved the lab theory and his research showed it was plausible and there was just as little evidence for it to have naturally occurred.

The closest disease to COVID-19 is BatCoV RaTG1, found in bats, that is 96 per cent similar to the strain rampaging around the world in humans.

However, its spike protein is considerably less effective than COVID-19's and would need significant adaptation to become something that would easily infect humans.

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The next most susceptible animal to humans were pangolins, a small scaly animal found in many Chinese wet markets, but a coronavirus that affects its specials is only 90 per cent similar to SARS-CoV-2.

Professor Petrovsky said while it was possible the wrong bat met the wrong pangolin 'thereby conferring the bat CoV with high binding for both pangolin and human ACE2' - this was statistically improbable.

'The probability of one pangolin creating the virus and that then comes into close contact with a human to infect them is ridiculously low,' he said.

'We would expect it would have to be in lots of infected pangolins and we've not found any.'

Such pangolins would be an 'intermediate host' - a species that caught it from the originators of the virus and gave it to humans.

An example of this is Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) that began with bats who infected camels who then pass it on to humans by spitting on them

Not only have researchers not found an intermediate host for COVID-19, they haven't even found the disease rife in any animal species - not even the leading suspected culprit, in bats.

Professor Petrovsky said animals didn't move between communities as much as humans so it was possible we just haven't 'found the right bat cave' yet. Until that happens, the Wuhan lab theory had to be considered, he said.

'Viruses don't come out of nowhere, so we have to look harder to find the natural source, or we need to investigate further to find the unnatural source,' he said.

Richard Ebright, one of the world's top biosecurity experts, told the Mail on Sunday that the odds of COVID-19 containing such unusual features and occurring naturally were 'possible – but improbable'.

The professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, in New Jersey, said scientists at the WIV were creating chimeric coronaviruses (new hybrid micro-organisms) and seeking funding to test their ability to infect human cells while using procedures that leave no sign of human manipulation.

China has stubbornly resisted calls for an inquiry as it is accused of covering up the severity of the epidemic, and only agreed to a watered-down version of Mr Morrison's proposal last week.

Professor Petrovsky argued the investigation should have begun months ago to give it the best chance of gathering evidence that may now be lost for good.

He said his research added to a body of 'circumstantial evidence' and coincidences, but was nowhere near proving the that the WIV had anything to do with the pandemic.

'There's no smoking gun inside the virus as they evolve and pick up genetic material from everywhere, just studying the virus itself won't tell us anything further,' he said.

'I don't think we'll have definitive proof either way, so we have to investigate to determine what is more probable.

'No one can say a laboratory leak is not a possibility.'

Professor Petrovsky claimed scientists were reluctant to discuss the possibility of botched lab experiments or leaks since any backlash could lead to research restrictions and threaten crucial research.

by Anonymousreply 42505/26/2020


Coronavirus government response updates: Trump tweets states 'should open up ASAP' as death toll nears 100,000

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Watch out for a Tweet storm from Trump tonight. He is going to throw everybody under the bus

by Anonymousreply 42705/26/2020

AFP news agency @AFP · 4h #BREAKING President Putin says Russia has 'passed peak' of #coronavirus infections

by Anonymousreply 42805/26/2020

Alex Macheras @AlexInAir · 11h Breaking: Latin America’s largest airline LATAM, files for bankruptcy — the largest airline to do so in #COVID19 pandemic

• The airline has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in US, also for its affiliates in Chile, Peru, Colombia & Ecuador.

by Anonymousreply 42905/26/2020

Sure, Vlad.

by Anonymousreply 43005/26/2020

COVID-19: Canada makes a deal to produce 10 million face masks Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced that Canada has signed a contract with General Motors to make 10 million face masks.

by Anonymousreply 43105/26/2020

[quote] Any updates on the Swedish goal of achieving herd immunity?

Anders Tegnell, chief epidemiologist at Sweden's Public Health Agency, has commented on the herd immunity goal, set at about 60%.

[quote] "No that will not happen," Tegnell said Monday in an email to NPR. "Current investigations show different numbers, but (Stockholm's immunity rate) is likely lower (than 30%). As you might be aware, there is a problem with measuring immunity for this virus."

[quote] Sweden's Public Health Agency last week released the initial findings of an ongoing antibodies study that showed that 7.3% of people in Stockholm had developed antibodies against COVID-19 by late April. Tegnell later described the study's figure as a "bit lower than we'd thought," adding that the findings represented a snapshot of the situation some weeks ago and he believed that by now "a little more than 20%" of Stockholm's population should have contracted the virus.

[quote] The study's results have provided further fuel for the critics of the Swedish approach. With 39.57 deaths per 100,000, Sweden's mortality rate is not only higher than that of the U.S. (30.02 deaths per 100,000) but also exponentially higher than those of its neighbors Norway (4.42 per 100,000) and Finland (5.58 per 100,000), which both enacted strict lockdown measures, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University....

[quote] Earlier this month, Tegnell admitted he is not sure Sweden's strategy was the right call. "I'm not convinced at all — we are constantly thinking about this," he told Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet.

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So, to recap--by killing a higher percentage of people, Sweden failed to achieve what they set out to do.

Yes, this is what we should be doing here alright.

by Anonymousreply 43305/26/2020

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 26 - 3:00 PM EST




CASES: 5,643,956

DEATHS: 350, 022

CRITICAL: 53,024


CASES: 1,715,270

DEATHS: 100,187 ☹️

CRITICAL: 17,084


by Anonymousreply 43405/26/2020

US deaths, 29 Mar: 2,438.

US deaths, 29 Apr: 60,207

US deaths: 26 May: 100,000+

by Anonymousreply 43505/26/2020

From the article at r432

[quote] A majority of Swedes, 63%, according to one recent poll, support the measures Tegnell's agency has recommended.

Sweden is the new Tennessee.

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by Anonymousreply 43605/26/2020

R436 Much better than being the new New York.

NY deaths 23,282

Tennessee deaths 329

by Anonymousreply 43705/26/2020

R385 Why does the theme from ‘Shaft’ pop into my head every time I see that pic of Grandpa Joe lookin’ like a pimp in those aviators?

by Anonymousreply 43805/26/2020

Why is Johns Hopkins always like 2000 behind Worldometer?

by Anonymousreply 43905/26/2020

When I see Joe in those aviators, the theme from "Top Gun" pops into my head.

by Anonymousreply 44005/26/2020

A new study produced by business school profs at Columbia and University of Chicago suggests that viewing Fox News is strongly correlated with ignoring social distancing guidance during the first weeks of the COVID19 epidemic and is in fact driving that non-compliance.

The researchers looked at geospatial data derived from anonymized cell phone data and cable channel position by ZIP code around the country. They found that a 1% increase in Fox News viewership in a zip code reduced social distancing by 8.9%.

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Bloomberg: Almost all doctors and nurses who got mild forms of Covid-19 produced antibodies that could prevent reinfection, according to a study conducted on hospital staff in northeastern France.

The study of 160 volunteers shows all but one developed antibodies within 15 days after the start of infection. Almost all of the staff tested had antibodies that were capable of neutralizing the virus within 41 days of developing symptoms.

by Anonymousreply 44205/26/2020

👽 "160 hospital staff members/test study volunteers, who developed antibodies capable of neutralizing Covid19, mysteriously disappear in France."

by Anonymousreply 44305/26/2020

Trump is now announcing new "protections" for senior citizens, including a cut to out-of-pocket insulin costs for people enrolled in Medicare. Among his comments:

"I don't use insulin. Should I be? Huh? I never thought about it."

"Insulin. So many people. So necessary."

"You know, if you don't take insulin - I just wrote this down - go blind, stroke, amputation, kidney failure, and other things."

by Anonymousreply 44405/26/2020

💉 President Trump recently diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes ?

by Anonymousreply 44505/26/2020

Yet, other studies ...

[quote] A chief concern is that coronaviruses do not tend to trigger long-lasting immunity. About a quarter of common colds are caused by human coronaviruses, but the immune response fades so rapidly that people can become reinfected the next year.

[quote] Researchers at Oxford University recently analysed blood from recovered Covid-19 patients and found that levels of IgG antibodies – those responsible for longer-lasting immunity – rose steeply in the first month of infection but then began to fall again.

[quote] Last week, scientists at Rockefeller University in New York found that most people who recovered from Covid-19 without going into hospital did not make many killer antibodies against the virus.

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by Anonymousreply 44605/26/2020

But I need a haircut and we gotta take the kids to see the fireworks and I refuse to pay for my son's college classes if they're gonna be online!

[quote] Many people think COVID-19 kills 1% of patients, and the rest get away with some flulike symptoms. But the story gets more complicated. Many people will be left with chronic kidney and heart problems. Even their neural system is disrupted. There will be hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, possibly more, who will need treatments such as renal dialysis for the rest of their lives. The more we learn about the coronavirus, the more questions arise.

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by Anonymousreply 44705/26/2020

There's a new study from Yale that appears to show studying municipal sewage can be a predictor of new COVID cases.

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by Anonymousreply 44805/26/2020

Every study is promising.

Until it isn't.

by Anonymousreply 44905/26/2020

I read that antibodies may only be effective for 6 months

by Anonymousreply 45005/26/2020

R450, it’s all just speculation right now on that. I think maybe different people will have different lengths of immunity. This is one baffling motherfucker.

by Anonymousreply 45105/26/2020

^^That's why even if my antibody test is positive, I will continue taking the same protective measures.

by Anonymousreply 45205/26/2020

Re: R444 Trump's desperate to win senior votes.

They're not particularly fond of the man who constantly tries to reduce their benefits.

Someone on his staff must have explained to him the number of seniors who actually get out and vote.

by Anonymousreply 45305/26/2020

MLive: The same sheriff who was a keynote speaker at a Grand Rapids rally against the Michigan Governor Janet Whitmer's stay-at-home COVID-19 order is, himself, working from home over fear of the virus.

Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf, 55, confirmed that he is working most of the time from home, despite having no underlying conditions that could make him more vulnerable.

The sheriff, who is a Republican, spoke last week to a reported crowd of 300 at the rally against Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-home order. He compared the order to mass arrest. It got him national attention.

by Anonymousreply 45405/26/2020

🤠 The sheriff is lying.

He's got the symptoms, and is waiting for his test results.

by Anonymousreply 45505/26/2020

[quote]That's why even if my antibody test is positive, I will continue taking the same protective measures.

Good -- per CNN, the CDC this afternoon the antibody tests might be wrong half the time.

by Anonymousreply 45605/26/2020

Some numbers that actually mean something: daily tests done is increasing, daily positive tests (new cases) holding steady and daily positivity rates decreasing.

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by Anonymousreply 45705/26/2020

R450 and others, we get a flue shot every year in spite of the fact that most of us have already had the flue at least two or three times in our lives. But every year we get a shot because there are different flue viruses and the vaccine has to be recalibrated to imunize us and even then it doesn't work 100% of the time. I believe the anti bodies we develop from getting the flue don't last or stay as strong. I mean I know people who got the flu twice in one year. So it won't surprise me if the COVID19 antibodies don't last.

by Anonymousreply 45805/26/2020

^^^ Thank you, Mr. President and Mr. Vice President.

by Anonymousreply 45905/26/2020

R457, I'd like to see that chart with NYC removed.

by Anonymousreply 46005/26/2020

Chris Cuomo has said numerous times he has “funky bloodwork” after his covid experience but he never explains any further.

by Anonymousreply 46105/26/2020

R456 Cite a reference or it didn't happen.

by Anonymousreply 46205/26/2020

When the hell is Johns Hopkins going to admit we're over 100k?

by Anonymousreply 46305/26/2020

R462, it's on the CDC's website.

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[quote]we get a flue shot every year

Black lung?

by Anonymousreply 46505/27/2020

Seasonal influenza mutates so much every year it is essentially a new virus. Immunity to each individual Influenza strain is actually very durable.

There are lots of antibody tests (FDA allowed, but not FDA approved) on the market. Many of the cheap, fast commercial ones are cross reactive with cold Coronaviruses and those tests have lots of false positives. If you are antibody positive on one of the crappy tests, get re-tested with an FDA approved version.

by Anonymousreply 46605/27/2020

South Korea, which won praise for containing the coronavirus without mass lockdowns, reported its biggest daily surge in infections in seven weeks, underscoring the challenge in permanently taming the illness in the absence of a viable vaccine.

The Asian nation reported 40 new cases for Tuesday, the biggest one-day increase since April 8.

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by Anonymousreply 46705/27/2020

Re: the marshmallow test. If I had been a child in the test I wouldn't have touched the marshmallow. I have never liked them, always threw away bags of hardened ones after the making of s'mores in the summer. However, if there had been a Hershey's chocolate kiss (or two), I would have capitulated in seconds. For the record, I have a high IQ and have always been an achiever.

by Anonymousreply 46805/27/2020

Interesting. Not sure if this has already been posted

Guardian -As researchers around the world race to perfect a coronavirus vaccine, new polling suggests that only half of people in the United States might actually take it. The results of the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll, released on Wednesday, found 31% weren’t sure if they’d get vaccinated, while one in five said they would refuse. Among Americans who say they wouldn’t get vaccinated, seven in 10 worry about safety. Among those who want a vaccine, the AP-NORC poll found protecting themselves, their family and the community are the top reasons.

by Anonymousreply 46905/27/2020

"Among those who want a vaccine, the AP-NORC poll found protecting themselves, their family and the community are the top reasons."

Would there be any OTHER reason???

by Anonymousreply 47005/27/2020

R463: Exactly! Morning Joe is still saying 99,773 deaths or something like that as of right now. Deaths have been over 100K since yesterday afternoon. John Hopkins is always late with updates.

by Anonymousreply 47105/27/2020

The marshmallow test was found to be bullshit. It was rich kids who passed because they knew there were marshmallows available to them everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 47205/27/2020

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 27 - 10:15 AM EST




CASES: 5,717,804

DEATHS: 352,983

CRITICAL: 53,048


CASES: 1,729,035

DEATHS: 100,686

CRITICAL: 17,158


by Anonymousreply 47305/27/2020

John Hopkins is still reporting 99,710 deaths as of right now. That is almost 1000 unreported deaths. WTF? Did Trump threaten them to keep it under 100K or something?

by Anonymousreply 47405/27/2020

R474. Don't worry. By tomorrow, the entire world will know

by Anonymousreply 47505/27/2020

Fauci probably told the folks at Johns Hopkins to put a lid on it or there wouldn't be any more research grants in the future.

by Anonymousreply 47605/27/2020

MayorOfLA @MayorOfLA · 11h Our new COVID-19 testing site at Dodger Stadium will allow us to test up to 6,000 people per day quickly and efficiently.

Tests are free and no insurance is needed.

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by Anonymousreply 47705/27/2020

Nearly 600 deaths already reported in the US and none so far from the top 5 states. The weekend/holiday lag is real. This is so far from over despite what Trump and Pence say.

by Anonymousreply 47805/27/2020


U.S coronavirus deaths top 100,000

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by Anonymousreply 47905/27/2020

R479: About time! The JH and CDC sits are 2000+ behind! I sent a text to Rachel Maddow about it earlier.

by Anonymousreply 48005/27/2020

Ugh, *sites

by Anonymousreply 48105/27/2020

The IHME model apparently lowered the total USA death projection from (I think) 147,000+ to the current estimate of 131,967.

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^Unless JH/CDC plan on lying/suppression, that projection will go back up by June/July.

by Anonymousreply 48305/27/2020

I live In Europe. Today, I heard 3 radio ads about McDonald's opening back up in our country. Thousands and thousands of deaths here but I am supposed to feel good about fucking McDonald's? Their shit food is contributing to the health problems around the world. What a crazy world we live in.

by Anonymousreply 48405/27/2020

[quote]U.S coronavirus deaths top 100,000

Called it: before June 1st!

Will we hit 200k by 4th of July or Labor Day?

by Anonymousreply 48505/27/2020

R485: Depends on where you get your numbers...

Worldometer: by July 4th or Labor Day

CDC/JH: by Thanksgiving or Christmas

by Anonymousreply 48605/27/2020

USA - Almost 1400 deaths today, so far

by Anonymousreply 48705/27/2020

[quote]Called it: before June 1st!

wow. you win.

by Anonymousreply 48805/27/2020

Now,1500 (twice as much as yesterday))

by Anonymousreply 48905/27/2020

Disney World will be reopening starting July 11th. That's almost four months since they had to close.

by Anonymousreply 49005/27/2020

I booked my Disney trip for 2021 last week. They said they were giving full refunds up to 9 days before and no fees to change the dates. Even the cancellation insurance was movable to the revised dates. I figure I can just keep pushing back the trip as needed.

by Anonymousreply 49105/27/2020

I booked my Disney trip for 2021 last week. They said they were giving full refunds up to 9 days before and no fees to change the dates. Even the cancellation insurance was movable to the revised dates. I figure I can just keep pushing back the trip as needed.

by Anonymousreply 49205/27/2020

Fuck the Republicans, from the local/state to the Federal level

https:/ /www. facebook. com/brian. k. sims/ videos/ 683102628927090/ (remove spaces since DL is refusing links(

by Anonymousreply 49305/27/2020

Amy Cooper's crappy life continues. Earlier:

[quote] Amy Cooper had a “romantic relationship” with Wall Street trader Martin Priest from 2008 to 2012, “while unaware that he was still residing with his wife,” according to a fraud suit she filed against him in 2015.

[quote] Cooper alleged in her suit that Priest also said that he’d since gotten another girlfriend pregnant, that she “had likewise abused him” and that he desperately needed $100,000 to “protect himself and his children from his wife” and to pay his girlfriend “to abort her unborn child.”

[quote] In order to convince Cooper to part with the cash, Cooper alleged, Priest allegedly lied and told her that he “wanted to get back together after all his marital and extramarital problems were resolved.” In response, Cooper loaned him a total of $65,000 between Feb. 12 and July 30, 2014, her suit said.

He married the new girlfriend who gave birth to his child and he allegedly kept the money he got from Cooper, so she sued him. The case was dismissed because no one showed up in court.

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AUSTIN -- The Texas Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that lack of immunity to COVID-19 is not a physical disability that qualifies people to vote by mail.

The ruling is a major victory for Attorney General Ken Paxton who has argued that only a physical illness or disability that prevented voters from going to the polls should qualify people to vote by mail. It is a loss for the Texas Democratic Party and voting rights groups who had pushed for expanded mail voting during the coronavirus pandemic and had won temporary victories in lower courts.

by Anonymousreply 49505/27/2020

In case you were wondering what Brian Sims was up to...

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by Anonymousreply 49605/27/2020

RIP Larry Kramer

by Anonymousreply 49705/27/2020

This virus is fucked up.

Our leaders don’t give a fuck, they are all bowing to pressure and reopening without any solid plan to get a handle on this plague.

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by Anonymousreply 49805/27/2020

Yikes! Another rat story

Guardian-In Australia, empty offices and restaurants in the city of Sydney are driving hungry rats into homes and suburbs, and the loosening of restrictions could create “a new rat plague”, according to a leading rat-catcher. As city centres have closed due to the Covid-19 pandemic, suburban rat infestations have spiked, according to Geoff Milton, a Sydney rat-catcher with 35 years’ experience. Prof Peter Banks, a rodent expert from the University of Sydney, said rats had begun eating each other.

by Anonymousreply 49905/27/2020

Now for some British humour.

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by Anonymousreply 50005/27/2020

Typical day in 'murca

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by Anonymousreply 50105/28/2020


Trump extends National Guard's coronavirus deployment after outcry

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From r501:

Soros-Funded Deep State Operative in Quarantine @ExGOPer ·

Replying to



Texas is the Alabama of Floridas.


by Anonymousreply 50305/28/2020

Still far from the truth. But a nice gesture I guess

Guardian-Health officials in Moscow updated their figures on coronavirus deaths on Thursday, seeking to dispel doubts about Russia’s comparatively low Covid-19 death toll, the Associated Press reports. On top of 636 deaths in April directly caused by Covid-19 reported earlier, the Moscow health department added the deaths of 756 people who tested positive for the virus but died of other causes.

by Anonymousreply 50405/28/2020

Regardless of what some countries and states are reporting, the excess deaths relative to previous years are happening. Despite fewer deaths in other areas including traffic accidents and homicides. Sadly, there is no getting around the truth despite what some people in power are saying. It's much worse than we know.

by Anonymousreply 50505/28/2020

Meanwhile, in the PA House of Representatives, GOPers failed to inform their fellow congressmen when one of their own tested positive. Meetings continued, maskless, for a week until the truth came out.

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by Anonymousreply 50605/28/2020

Is Florida cooking the books to list Covid-19 deaths as pneumonia deaths?

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by Anonymousreply 50705/28/2020

NYT: Live Coronavirus News: World Updates

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by Anonymousreply 50805/28/2020

I think there's a thread on this, but here's a link with no paywall.

* WaPo - ‘Sorry, no mask allowed’: Some businesses pledge to keep out customers who cover their faces

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by Anonymousreply 50905/28/2020

R509: Such businesses should fail. They are too stupid and reckless to remain in business. They sure as hell wouldn't get my money.

by Anonymousreply 51005/28/2020

Steve Bell on Donald Trump's social media threat – cartoon

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I like how cartoonists always give Trump tiny hands

by Anonymousreply 51205/28/2020

I see on the news that cases are rising in the South, of course where the restrictions were lifted first.

regarding the six feet thing...I think of how you can smell someone with a nice perfume or cologne on, sometimes you can pick up the scent as soon as you enter a room. In my unscientific opinion, that is the same distance an airborne virus can linger in the air. That's a hell of a lot of distance people need between them, way more than the recommended six feet

by Anonymousreply 51305/28/2020

Holy hell, R506. The NYT covered that too. I wonder how common this kind of info suppression will turn out to be in red-state legislatures.

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by Anonymousreply 51405/28/2020

Where are they getting this 136,000 projected deaths by August from? At an average rate of 1000/day, we will be at almost 200K by Labor Day!

by Anonymousreply 51505/28/2020

Worldometer added another link - "2 days ago". New cases increased by 2000 in one day.

by Anonymousreply 51605/28/2020

Boston Herald had an article yesterday quoting from a model showing the U.S. death rate dropping with the quote being:

[quote] The model from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington now projects there will be 131,967 deaths from the virus across the country by August, down from a prediction of 143,357 on May 18.

The link is in the second paragraph of the article. I looked at it, and they see deaths falling to around 300 per day by July 1, and under 100 a day by August 1.

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by Anonymousreply 51705/28/2020

Numbers are going up in Wisconsin

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by Anonymousreply 51805/28/2020

In another report from Wisconsin, 7 bar/restaurant workers came down with it after a busy weekend.

by Anonymousreply 51905/28/2020

Still 625 new cases reported in PA yesterday. Where are they coming from?

by Anonymousreply 52005/29/2020

[quote]Where are they coming from?

Pussy r520. Same as you, same as me.

by Anonymousreply 52105/29/2020

Oh dear

Guardian-Health authorities in South Africa said the country has a backlog of nearly 100,000 unprocessed tests as it and other countries on the continent face difficulties in obtaining essential supplies. “This challenge is caused by the limited availability of test kits globally,” the health ministry said.

by Anonymousreply 52205/29/2020

FUX News:

Trump announces US ‘terminating’ relationship with WHO

by Anonymousreply 52305/29/2020

Distract, distract, distract...

by Anonymousreply 52405/29/2020

Lots of new cases in Florida

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by Anonymousreply 52505/29/2020


Coronavirus started spreading in the U.S. in January, CDC says

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He is so completely full of shit.

Guardian-Trump’s announcement that he is pulling the US out of the WHO came three weeks ahead of an ultimatum he laid down earlier this month. On 19 May, the US president sent a four-page letter to the WHO director general Dr Tedros warning he would permanently cut US funding of the WHO and reconsider US membership if the organisation did “not commit to major substantive improvements within the next 30 days”. He has made the break only 10 days later, falsely claiming that “China has total control over” the global health body.

by Anonymousreply 52705/29/2020

[quote] ~6700 covid/flu/pna deaths in 2020 (feb-may) vs ~1050 flu/pna deaths in 2014-2018 (feb-may)

[quote] only ~1950 covid deaths in FL as of May 23 per "provisional" CDC reporting. leaving ~3700 flu/pna deaths above avg

[quote] in other words, significant undercounting of Covid deaths in Florida

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by Anonymousreply 52805/29/2020

And the state of Georgia is only reporting 1 death so far today according to Worldometer. Totally out of line with other states above and below Georgia on the list.

by Anonymousreply 52905/29/2020

R529 Right now, it says 11 deaths in Georgia for today.

by Anonymousreply 53005/29/2020

R530: Yep! and the usual-bogus 43-49 death range for Florida

by Anonymousreply 53105/29/2020

Guess what Trump said about China in the past

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by Anonymousreply 53205/29/2020

Variably old data but an ongoing phenomenon--Georgia and Florida deserve dishonorable mention. I bet there's even greater disparity in the fully updated data. From what I can see, it's 87,000 uncounted deaths in question now rather than 40,000.

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by Anonymousreply 53305/29/2020

Article on transmission in New York in the first half of March.

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by Anonymousreply 53405/30/2020

Trump must be as happy as possible to see all of these protests around the country as possible Coronavirus hot spots. He may just hit a quarter million deaths by the elections.

by Anonymousreply 53505/30/2020

From the Dept. Of The Obvious, but nice to see it in black and white.

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by Anonymousreply 53605/30/2020

WaPo: The pandemic isn’t over. But America sure seems over it.

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“I think everybody is kind of over it, you know what I mean?” says a realtor named Toni Mock, on the phone from Jacksonville, Fla.

She wants that roaring Trump economy back. One thing that helped her get over it was the “boaters for Trump” flotilla May 16. She hopped in a friend’s 40-foot sportfishing boat with some chicken wings and Corona beers (lol) and joined a fleet of vessels in the Intracoastal Waterway. The sun, the breeze, the “Trump 2020” and “Stop the Bulls---” flags, the kayaks and Jet Skis, the boats dubbed with carefree puns like “Knot to Worry” — it was “almost biblical,” according to Mock.

Study: 24 states have uncontrolled virus outbreaks Atlanta mayor steps into national spotlight with plea to protesters The Washington Post logoThe pandemic isn’t over. But America sure seems over it. We’re over it. The masks, the kids, the Lysol. Over it. The tragic hair, the diminished hygiene, the endless construction next door, the Zoom meetings from hell, the mind games with the unemployment office, the celibacy, the short tempers and long evenings, the looking forward to the mail, the feeling guilty about the mail carrier working double time, the corporate compassion pushing products we didn’t need even before the world went funky and febrile.

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The now-more-than-everness, the president-said-whatness. Over it. Does 99.1 count as a fever? Over it. Some of us have reached the outskirts of Netflix, and we’re over it. Some of us can’t make rent; over it. And so we are deciding to have a summer after all, it seems. A summer of playing freely, of living dangerously. One hundred thousand dead, 40.8 million jobless claims. Not past it, but over it.

“We can’t keep fighting the virus from our living room,” Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R), clearly over it, said Wednesday.

“There is a pent-up demand” to resume normal life, said President Trump, also over it, in the Rose Garden on Tuesday. “And you’re going to see it more and more.”

“I think everybody is kind of over it, you know what I mean?” says a realtor named Toni Mock, on the phone from Jacksonville, Fla.

She wants that roaring Trump economy back. One thing that helped her get over it was the “boaters for Trump” flotilla May 16. She hopped in a friend’s 40-foot sportfishing boat with some chicken wings and Corona beers (lol) and joined a fleet of vessels in the Intracoastal Waterway. The sun, the breeze, the “Trump 2020” and “Stop the Bulls---” flags, the kayaks and Jet Skis, the boats dubbed with carefree puns like “Knot to Worry” — it was “almost biblical,” according to Mock.

“It’s all a part of getting out there and letting everybody know we’re not going to die from this.”

And what if the coronavirus surges back, because we’re all over it and having a summer, and we do die from this?

“I have God in my heart, so God could take me out any day,” Mock says. “He can take me out in any way he wants to. And if it’s my time to go, it’s my time to go. I don’t think anyone I know is personally concerned. None of us are afraid, because we have God in our souls and God in our hearts. And we don’t watch CNN.”

by Anonymousreply 53805/30/2020

^ Sorry about that...


“I think everybody is kind of over it, you know what I mean?” says a realtor named Toni Mock, on the phone from Jacksonville, Fla.

She wants that roaring Trump economy back. One thing that helped her get over it was the “boaters for Trump” flotilla May 16. She hopped in a friend’s 40-foot sportfishing boat with some chicken wings and Corona beers (lol) and joined a fleet of vessels in the Intracoastal Waterway. The sun, the breeze, the “Trump 2020” and “Stop the Bulls---” flags, the kayaks and Jet Skis, the boats dubbed with carefree puns like “Knot to Worry” — it was “almost biblical,” according to Mock.

“It’s all a part of getting out there and letting everybody know we’re not going to die from this.”

And what if the coronavirus surges back, because we’re all over it and having a summer, and we do die from this?

“I have God in my heart, so God could take me out any day,” Mock says. “He can take me out in any way he wants to. And if it’s my time to go, it’s my time to go. I don’t think anyone I know is personally concerned. None of us are afraid, because we have God in our souls and God in our hearts. And we don’t watch CNN.”

by Anonymousreply 53905/30/2020

[quote] “It’s all a part of getting out there and letting everybody know we’re not going to die from this.”

Not so fast, Sparky.

"COVID-19 was initially conceptualized as a primarily respiratory illness, but the Mount Sinai analysis laid out in detail that it also causes damage to the thin layer of cells that line blood vessels (endothelium), which underlies the clotting abnormalities and hypoxia observed in severely ill patients who develop multi-organ failure that leads to death in some patients....the totality of findings in the autopsy series as a whole, with blood clots in multiple other organ systems—most notably the brain, kidney, and liver—reflects endothelial damage as an underlying process, which would also correlate with the activation of the coagulation cascade and persistent elevation of blood markers of inflammation. "

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by Anonymousreply 54005/30/2020

The truth is that nobody wanted to attend his shit show. Merkel said yesterday that she wasn't going.

Guardian-US president Donald Trump has postponed the Group of Seven summit that he wanted to hold in June and will also expand the list of countries invited to attend the rescheduled event to include Australia, Russia, South Korea and India. Speaking to reporters on Air Force One during his return to Washington from Cape Canaveral in Florida, Trump said the G7 in its current format was a “very outdated group of countries”. “I’m postponing it because I don’t feel that as a G7 it properly represents what’s going on in the world,” Trump said

by Anonymousreply 54105/30/2020

I had no idea that the whole 6 ft rule was based on outdated technology from the 1930s.

[quote] The World Health Organization (WHO) recommendations for social distancing of 6 ft and hand washing to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2 are based on studies of respiratory droplets carried out in the 1930s. These studies showed that large, ~100 μm droplets produced in coughs and sneezes quickly underwent gravitational settling (1). However, when these studies were conducted, the technology did not exist for detecting submicron aerosols. As a comparison, calculations predict that in still air, a 100-μm droplet will settle to the ground from 8 ft in 4.6 s whereas a 1-μm aerosol particle will take 12.4 hours.

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by Anonymousreply 54205/31/2020


Minnesota Reports More Than 1,000 Coronavirus Deaths


Fourteen new deaths from the novel coronavirus were confirmed in Minnesota on Sunday, raising the state's overall death toll to 1,040 since the onset of the pandemic.

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by Anonymousreply 54305/31/2020

Tear gas is a bad idea during a pandemic. Who knows how many asymptomatic people are in the crowds now coughing and infecting others.

by Anonymousreply 54405/31/2020

Chris Jansing and Ali Velshi better be careful out there. They are older (63 and 50) and around IDK how many asymptomatic protestors in those crowds!

by Anonymousreply 54505/31/2020

[quote]Fourteen new deaths from the novel coronavirus were confirmed in Minnesota on Sunday, raising the state's overall death toll to 1,040 since the onset of the pandemic.

LOL. That's practically nil in a state with 6 million people. But you keep on stoking those panic fires.

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"LOL. That's practically nil in a state with 6 million people. But you keep on stoking those panic fires."

Republicans panicked over fewer than 3000 people dead on September 11th.....but 100,000 dead (and over 1000 people from just one state) is no biggie and nothing to panic over.

by Anonymousreply 54706/01/2020

That's because they get all excited to start a war but there is nothing they can do for a virus. They're completely incompetent and have no interest in actually governing.

by Anonymousreply 54806/01/2020

And let's not forget DJT's criticism of Obama regarding 12,000 swine flu deaths in the entire country over the course of one year as "a full scale disaster". That was less than 8% of swine flu deaths worldwide for a pandemic that started much closer to home. Current US death toll exceeds 28% of worldwide COVID-19 fatalities.

by Anonymousreply 54906/01/2020

Publicly the UK announced 111 deaths today. Privately they apparently released 556 deaths according to Worldometer. Where did these extra deaths come from? How many other surprises will there be down the line that they somehow find later on based on today's actual reality? Everyone is shaping the numbers to fit the narrative. Sadly, this is where we are at right now

by Anonymousreply 55006/01/2020

R456 true. But it only took 1 death in Minnesota to create a storm around the world

by Anonymousreply 55106/01/2020

Sorry, I meant R546.

by Anonymousreply 55206/01/2020


Michigan governor largely rescinds lockdown, retailers to reopen

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by Anonymousreply 55306/01/2020

Keep cowering in your basements, losers. No one will notice or care. New infections are dropping daily. In my state the rolling 14 day average is down 30% ....just in the last two weeks. The rest of the world is moving on. Thank God.

These stale Covid-19 threads are on life support. This one needs a ventilator.

by Anonymousreply 55406/01/2020

The only one cowering in a basement is mango Mussolini.

by Anonymousreply 55506/01/2020

Georgia's are up. We also have 1500 more "pneumonia deaths" already than in years past. They're jooking the numbers.

by Anonymousreply 55606/01/2020

R554, shouldn't you be marching around with a gun and a Confederate flag? The real losers are the ones repeating right-wing talking points on a gay board.

by Anonymousreply 55706/01/2020

Same in Florida...lots of death from Pneumonia all of a sudden

by Anonymousreply 55806/01/2020

At least 16 West Point cadets have tested positive. Thanks, Trump

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Saturday I drove to a farmers market about 30 miles away because I wanted the scenic trip as well as the veggies, maybe moreso. First non-medical place I've been to since the first week of March.

Not everyone wore a mask. The young Amish girl selling me my carrots and onions said she didn't because "I'm outside." Yeah, okay. I told her if I'd noticed it beforehand I wouldn't have stopped there. Inside, mostly masked, but zero "social distancing." No gloves on any customers that I could see (I wore some).

This market is in a Conservative area of Eastern Pennsylvania.

by Anonymousreply 56006/01/2020

550 here. Worldometer has updated its figures for the UK to reflect 111 deaths for the UK. I guess there was a glitch with the first update

by Anonymousreply 56106/01/2020

Glad you finally popped the hatch on your underground bunker, Rip Van, I mean R560. What you describe is pretty much the norm now. No one is wearing masks out side where I live. And absolutely no one is wearing gloves. They don't do anything anyway. They're just the same as hands if you don't take them off after every encounter with .....anything or anyone. Just use sanitizer when you get back in your car. Not a big deal. We've all been doing it for months.

SE PA has steadily declining daily infections and most of them are in care homes. If you drove a car to the market you were more likely to die in a crash.

by Anonymousreply 56206/01/2020

R562 must be Dr. Phil. People are still wearing masks where I live, and my county voted for Trump.

by Anonymousreply 56306/01/2020

This doctor sounds like an idiot.

[quote] Zangrillo, who is well-known for being the personal doctor of Italy’s former President Silvio Berlusconi, said the study showed the virus was weakening and that, “in reality, from the clinical point of view, the virus no longer exists.”

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by Anonymousreply 56406/02/2020

550 here. More information about the UK numbers reported yesterday on Worldometer. So not a glitch after all. Lies and more lies. Still a massive gap between death certificates with Covid mentioned and the "official" figures from the government

BBC-At yesterday’s briefing, UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced that there had been an increase in coronavirus deaths of 111 in the last 24 hours. The total number of people who have died after testing positive for Covid-19 stood at 39,045 – according to government figures. But the previous day’s total was 38,489 – which was 556 lower (as Piers Morgan, among others, pointed out). So, where did the extra 445 deaths come from? It turns out that until yesterday, the figure for the number of people who died after a positive test only included those whose test had been processed in an NHS or Public Health England laboratory. On 1 June, the system was changed so that it also included tests processed by a commercial lab (since 24 May). That change meant a total of 445 extra people were counted as having died after testing positive, which was why the cumulative number rose by so much more than the daily figure.

by Anonymousreply 56506/02/2020

Today, the ENTIRE country of Spain reported no deaths. Not a single one. As if......

by Anonymousreply 56606/02/2020

Still dreading my trip to Brazil and Argentina in November. So far, the travel agency in France has not cancelled the trip. Still hoping for a miracle. I was really looking forward to this vacation as I have never traveled to South America before. But now is certainly not the time

by Anonymousreply 56706/02/2020

Nearly 700 deaths already reported in the US due in part to the weekend reporting delays. Still a ways to go for us.

by Anonymousreply 56806/02/2020

R567: Why can't you cancel the trip?

by Anonymousreply 56906/02/2020

R569. We booked our trip last year with Exoticca FR. As from March 2020 bookings, they offer free cancellations like Travelzoo and many others. But, not for bookings made earlier. If WE cancel now, we lose 6K€. We have to wait until THEY cancel. Also still waiting for a refund from United for a trip from Paris to Atlanta that was cancelled in April by United due to the travel ban. They informed me that I would not receive a credit before February 2021. CRAZY!

by Anonymousreply 57006/02/2020

And in other news: USA - 921 deaths so far today

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by Anonymousreply 57106/02/2020

R570 That sucks. I'm supposed to be in Alsace right now, but American Airlines gave me a full refund with no haggling. My deposit with the French tour company is being held until Oct. 2021 due to a law passed in France to let travel companies have some operational funds.

by Anonymousreply 57206/02/2020

Somebody, please ....... unplug the respirator on CoronaFreakout#41.

by Anonymousreply 57306/02/2020

Observation: The UK had already surpassed much-publicized Italy in "deaths per million" population, but they're tied with and poised to overtake Spain in that column.

Maybe Trump can send a 1,000 ventilators to his buddy Boris Johnson like he's doing for fellow madman Bolsonaro down in Brazil.

by Anonymousreply 57406/02/2020

570 here. Feeling beyond sad. Already 25K cases reported in Brazil. The pain and suffering is real. Fuck the refund! I will survive either way . My concern now is with the people of Brazil and for South America as a whole. The peak is not yet reached!! My heart bleeds.

by Anonymousreply 57506/02/2020

(R570) I had to cancel my June trip to Paris and my July trip to Tokyo. I wanted to travel somewhere this summer, so I booked a month stay in Seattle.

by Anonymousreply 57606/02/2020

Russia, Brazil, the US, the UK - let this be a lesson. Don't elect right-wing assholes!

by Anonymousreply 57706/02/2020

Freakout continues, part 42

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by Anonymousreply 57906/03/2020

R567 - see if you can eliminate Brazil from your trip - due to Bolsonaro, COVID will continue to rage there. Argentina is doing very well at control, though Buenos Aires' caseload is rising. I'd head south to Patagonia, which will be fantastic in November.

by Anonymousreply 58006/03/2020

R580. Thank you for your message. Unfortunaely, we can not change the itinerary which includes: Buenos Aires, Patagonia, Rio and the Iguazu falls. Hoping that the situation will drastically improve but I am not very optimistic at this point.

by Anonymousreply 58106/03/2020

Might as well visit the penguins in Ushuaia when you're in Patagonia. They're magical little creatures. We stayed here, really lovely place:

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by Anonymousreply 58206/03/2020

This was mentioned in previous threads, but here's a new article in the New York Times about blood type and coronavirus-

[quote]Geneticists have been scouring our DNA for clues. Now, a study by European scientists is the first to document a strong statistical link between genetic variations and Covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus.

[quote] Variations at two spots in the human genome are associated with an increased risk of respiratory failure in patients with Covid-19, the researchers found. One of these spots includes the gene that determines blood types.

[quote] Having Type A blood was linked to a 50 percent increase in the likelihood that a patient would need to get oxygen or to go on a ventilator, according to the new study.

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by Anonymousreply 58306/04/2020

Looks like a lot of casinos opened up in Las Vegas on the 4th.

Judging from the news, employees were wearing masks as they are required to, but as for the guests? Barely any of them. It was interesting seeing them gambling through the partitions now, but I guess it's something people will have to get used to.

Unsure about pools being opened; I know spas are still shut down, and about 1/2 of restaurants are open for business.

Probably best to wait until things go back to 'normal' the best they can before visiting.

by Anonymousreply 58406/05/2020

The Corona poll troll is trash. Not to be trusted. Don’t depend on his false information for anything important.

Can we get some real numbers please?

by Anonymousreply 58506/05/2020

No fan of the corona poll troll, but his numbers come from Worldometers.

You don't like his numbers, come up with better ones.

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by Anonymousreply 58606/05/2020

The UK is officially the most plague ridden country in the world. 40k deaths for a population of just 65m.

by Anonymousreply 58706/06/2020

The UK is officially the most plague ridden country in the world. 40k deaths for a population of just 65m.

by Anonymousreply 58806/06/2020

So tragically shameful it was worth stating twice r587 and r588.

by Anonymousreply 58906/06/2020

R588 I rolled my eyes when a day or two ago the BBC made a big deal about how Brazil (population 212m) had surpassed Italy's death numbers, all the time not mentioning that the UK has been ahead of Italy in that column for awhile now.

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