Happy Memorial Day, DLers!
Coronavirus Freakout 41: Death Takes A Holiday
by Anonymous | reply 590 | June 8, 2020 4:44 AM |
The general vibe seems to be "we're all good; let's get back to normal - NOW."
by Anonymous | reply 1 | May 22, 2020 9:59 PM |
🎊 Just watched a news story reporting that fireworks sales in my area are brisk and booming.
I'm sure the neighborhood is going to be booming in the next few days.
by Anonymous | reply 3 | May 22, 2020 10:11 PM |
Man drowns after defying NYC swimming ban.
by Anonymous | reply 4 | May 22, 2020 10:35 PM |
Texas bars opening today! Viva la Texas. There are times we get it right. It’s been 95 degrees for weeks and we have had less than 500 cases despite abundant testing after closing in March - reopening is right and fair. It’s not NYC - we have plenty of space to have 25% capacity limits, outdoor seating and social distancing.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | May 22, 2020 10:50 PM |
ElderLez.....It's R587 from Part 40. I really do hope you will give your thoughts on this. I remember you being rational in some other threads and think you're more "real" than many of the posters on DL and people don't accuse you of being a troll. Unfortunately it seems like I get accused of being a troll on nearly every post because I'm only "moderately left". To some I guess that means I'm radical right-wing and think Trump is a god. I'm not and I don't. I think he is a fucking idiot and needs to be gone. I am becoming very disillusioned with DL because of all this. So maybe you can help me understand. Here was my post from before so it's all in the same thread:
ElderLez, what is your proposed course of action on dealing with COVID-19? I'm asking in a respectful manner. Do you think we should continue mandatory shelter in place, with all non essential businesses closed indefinitely? If so, how long? What is your proposed criteria for lifting shelter in place? Do you think we should wait until there is a cure or vaccine? What if that takes 2 years? Or 5 years? How should the economic devastation that would follow be handled? I'm trying to understand other points of view since mine (which I consider a well balanced approach) is being summarily dismissed by many as "right wing troll" opinions (which is bullshit).
by Anonymous | reply 6 | May 23, 2020 12:33 AM |
Walked by a Fogo de Chao earlier. It was almost packed AND the salad bar was in full effect. We're fucked.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | May 23, 2020 12:44 AM |
Ohio is a mostly red state...I won't shed a tear if lots of voters get the virus and can't vote!---
Ohio to allow wedding receptions of up to 300 people starting in June
Ohio leaders announced reopening dates Thursday for several activities such as wedding receptions, bowling alleys and high school athletic training if they can meet required safety protocols.
Beginning Tuesday, May 26, miniature golf, batting cages and bowling alleys may resume operations. So can skills training for all sports, including contact sports.
Tournaments, games and competitions for contact sports are still prohibited.
Beginning Monday, June 1, catering and banquet centers may reopen and hold events like wedding receptions with a cap of 300 people if they meet required safety protocols currently in place for restaurants.
“We recognize that people want to go on with life and we are trying to provide guidelines and recommendations as to how you can do so as safely as possible,” Lt. Jon Husted said at Gov. Mike DeWine’s news conference. “We want to proceed with cautious optimism that when we follow the proper protocols, we can resume the activities in life that we love without negatively impacting the health of our loved ones.”
The state’s ban on mass gatherings of more than 10 people still remains in place, so tables must be 6 feet apart with no more than 10 people per table, said Dan Tierney, a spokesman in Gov. Mike DeWine’s office.
And since congregating is prohibited, that likely would eliminate dance floors in most facilities. Self-service buffets or salad bars also not allowed. Buffets must be staffed by workers serving food.
Weddings have always been permitted and that will continue without restriction on the number of guests at the ceremonies, Tierney said. Those are often religious ceremonies, which are protected by First Amendment Rights, he notes.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | May 23, 2020 12:52 AM |
r5, that's right, you're not New York. Your state is a freeper hellhole.
by Anonymous | reply 9 | May 23, 2020 12:53 AM |
R5 and r6 would have failed the marshmallow test
by Anonymous | reply 10 | May 23, 2020 12:55 AM |
My post was directed to ElderLez, R10. Please stay out of it if you have nothing constructive to add. She said she will respond tomorrow. I honestly want her point of view on what we should do.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | May 23, 2020 12:58 AM |
Basketball Hall of Famer and Georgetown men's basketball coach Patrick Ewing is hospitalized with Covid-19, per CNN.
by Anonymous | reply 12 | May 23, 2020 1:01 AM |
I think we have to remember that the reason we all had to stay home was so that the hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed with everyone getting it at once, it was not to keep us all from getting it. I think there comes a point where we have to go back to living as normally as we can. More will get the virus and it will thin the herd but we can't all hide for one or two or three years. I think it is the natural course of things. I think we are going into a new existence which will be better and this was to help prepare us. We can still take precautions and can do that for as long as we choose.
r11 This board is for everyone and isn't anyone's personal board. One of the lessons we are all supposed to learn from all this crap is to be kind to one another. If you only want her answer then don't read anyone else's response. I'm not ElderLez but I responded anyway.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | May 23, 2020 1:03 AM |
I'm going to continue to avoid crowds until it's safe. It's not safe yet.
by Anonymous | reply 14 | May 23, 2020 1:07 AM |
r13, no one's talking about hiding for years. If you need to use a straw man argument...
by Anonymous | reply 15 | May 23, 2020 1:08 AM |
R13 Your thoughts in your first paragraph are similar to mine. I got screamed at on the last thread for being a right-wing troll (not by ElderLez, at least I don't think it was her).
I understand your point in your 2nd paragraph. But R10 was being a snark and adding nothing constructive. Sounds like a troll to me so I called him out on it. In hindsight perhaps I should have not made that statement.
by Anonymous | reply 16 | May 23, 2020 1:11 AM |
What is your recommended time period, R15?
by Anonymous | reply 17 | May 23, 2020 1:11 AM |
How can a bar / restaurant even make a profit operating at 25% occupancy?
by Anonymous | reply 18 | May 23, 2020 1:12 AM |
They can't. Many of them will fail.
by Anonymous | reply 19 | May 23, 2020 1:13 AM |
[quote] I'm trying to understand other points of view since mine is being summarily dismissed by many as "right wing troll" opinions
Perhaps you’re getting that reaction because you keep repeating fringe right talking points along the lines of “we can’t just hide in our houses until there’s a vaccine.” Nobody is advocating that. Most would be happy to phase in reopening according to the guidelines the Trump administration introduced two or so weeks ago (and then summarily ignored).
by Anonymous | reply 20 | May 23, 2020 1:15 AM |
Since when was every business guaranteed a profit?
Many business are opening up to realize the demand isnt even there?
I feel terrible for small businesses, I’m just confused as to when we guaranteed every business to be profitable at all times and must never go out of business?
by Anonymous | reply 21 | May 23, 2020 1:16 AM |
I wouldn’t waste my time responding to the rightwing spaz upthread. Life is too short.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | May 23, 2020 1:17 AM |
the fireworks and grillers are already popping off.
by Anonymous | reply 23 | May 23, 2020 1:21 AM |
Wow, classic idiot @R22. Nice waste of a post there. You don't even understand what rightwing means. Hint: it is nothing like my point of view. Obviously DL has become a cesspool of narrow minded people who just want to scream "TROLL" at everyone. I used to love coming here, for years. It was fun and lots of good humor. The virus thread self-righteous troll accusers have ruined it.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | May 23, 2020 1:23 AM |
Happy Memorial Day back, SylviaFowler! I appreciate your hanging in here with us.
by Anonymous | reply 25 | May 23, 2020 1:23 AM |
So R20 you're saying the Trump Administration has a good plan for re-opening?
by Anonymous | reply 26 | May 23, 2020 1:26 AM |
A Great Clips hairstylist exposed dozens of clients to coronavirus while showing symptoms, Missouri health officials say.
The stylist at a salon franchise in Springfield served 84 clients and exposed seven coworkers, the Springfield-Greene County Health Department said Friday. The hairstylist also visited a Dairy Queen, Walmart and fitness center, officials said.
by Anonymous | reply 27 | May 23, 2020 1:31 AM |
Hilarious...someone calls another poster rightwing and in the same post says that "Most would be happy to phase in reopening according to the guidelines the Trump administration introduced". DL is a sad mess of ridiculousness. Are people just saying anything that pops into their heads? Carry on......
by Anonymous | reply 28 | May 23, 2020 1:32 AM |
I don’t think R20 is saying that, R26. The CDC issued rational guidance, which Trump himself instantly disavowed. His lobbying for a rapid, across the board reopening is contrary to what the CDC recommended.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | May 23, 2020 1:34 AM |
You’re not doing your “I’m not a troll!” stance any favors, R26.
by Anonymous | reply 30 | May 23, 2020 1:34 AM |
Yeah, whatever troll R30
by Anonymous | reply 31 | May 23, 2020 1:35 AM |
To R595 from the previous thread-I’d describe my symptoms, which lasted from early April to early May, as moderate, not mikd and not severe. I had chest tightening, in and out fever, head buzzing, heightened tinnitus and conjunctivitis. And it gave me a final kick in the nuts. Well, I actually mean the heart. I now have something called “premature contractions” and have a bit of angina going on. It’s like a nasty heartburn. I was in the ER on Tuesday, discharged that night and I have a cardiologist appointment tomorrow. I was told my condition isn’t life threatening and I’m assuming I’ll be put on medication for life but I know it could have turned out so much worse. I’m 59 years old and in relatively good health except for some skin cancer issues (1 excised melanoma, numerous basal cell bits).
by Anonymous | reply 32 | May 23, 2020 1:47 AM |
When do other posters think the economy should re-open? Now, with precautions like social distancing, etc? In a month? Wait until after a vaccine? I would love to hear the recommendations from DL.
I think we should allow re-opening of non-essential businesses now, with appropriate safety precautions in place. No large group events for a while still. High risk people may need to continue to shelter in place until they or their physicians feel it's safe for them to stop doing so. I support that. Focus extra efforts on mitigating risks in nursing homes since a high % of deaths are in that population. Think about the balance of risk/reward. Ramp up testing all around and use that data to inform decision making.
Everyone's a critic....look forward to hearing proposed solutions.
by Anonymous | reply 33 | May 23, 2020 1:50 AM |
Dang does Trump want churchgoers to die? By insisting on opening chirches up asap he is ensuring thousands of deaths. They were already dumb enough to be going to church so they are easy pickins to manipulate.
by Anonymous | reply 34 | May 23, 2020 1:52 AM |
Stay-at-home orders intended to curb the spread of the coronavirus could end up causing “irreparable damage” if imposed for too long, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNBC on Friday.
“I don’t want people to think that any of us feel that staying locked down for a prolonged period of time is the way to go,” Fauci said during an interview with CNBC’s Meg Tirrell on “Halftime Report.”
He said the U.S. had to institute severe measures because Covid-19 cases were exploding then. “But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”
However, Fauci also cautioned states against reducing social distancing measures too quickly, adding they must take “very significant precautions.”
by Anonymous | reply 35 | May 23, 2020 1:54 AM |
Fauci has been around DC for decades, he knows how to play the game, which cocks to suck and ass to kiss...he's an expert!
by Anonymous | reply 36 | May 23, 2020 2:08 AM |
The problem with Churches opening....these folks may spread among themselves and then go back to work/shopping/casinos/hookers/weddings etc and then spread the virus. Why can’t they continue to enjoy the online services?
by Anonymous | reply 38 | May 23, 2020 2:26 AM |
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🎇 HAVE A HAPPY & SAFE MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND !
by Anonymous | reply 39 | May 23, 2020 2:33 AM |
Just Leave r24.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass.
by Anonymous | reply 40 | May 23, 2020 2:39 AM |
[quote]My post was directed to ElderLez, [R10].
Fuck off, hall monitor. This is not a private conversation.
by Anonymous | reply 41 | May 23, 2020 2:40 AM |
I saw my doctor today, a fine, intelligent human. It was for my annual check-in. We talked a bit about Covid-19, re-opening, etc. I'd say follow our governors. Test. Identify. Isolate those positive Covid19. Contact trace. Dr. said a vaccine should be available probably by Jan.2021. We should open up as numbers go down. Each area will be individual in these choices and levels of opening up. Finally, you do you. If you want to hibernate until there's a vaccine, do it. If you want to open your business or go out to eat, do it. But continue to wear masks/gloves when within 6 feet of others. Outside is more difficult to catch this virus than inside. Be kind. Be helpful. Test. Vaccinate. This is my take so far.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | May 23, 2020 2:45 AM |
Thank you R42.
by Anonymous | reply 43 | May 23, 2020 2:49 AM |
I don't leave home without masks, gloves and sanitizer.
And that's not going to end anytime soon.
by Anonymous | reply 44 | May 23, 2020 2:50 AM |
Some here are accused of being Trolls perhaps because they spend too much time espousing either/or scenarios. (Open/Shut; Isolate/Die; etc.)
Most of us can comprehend more than an either/or world.
For example, Air Travel will return. But airlines will need to earn the trust of those who would fly that it’s medically safe to do so; just as airlines in an earlier era had to convince the public that flying was physically safe: that only an infinitesimally small percentage of planes would crash.
It’s going to take time.
No one can tell you if it’ll be five months or five years. If several airlines will go bankrupt. Or, if future planes will be limited to first class, physically separated seats with ultra high filtration, air circulation and cleaning.
We only know that some variation will happen, eventually. We know that many will die en route to normal. And that normal will look different than it does now.
by Anonymous | reply 45 | May 23, 2020 2:59 AM |
Everyone at one time or another has been accused of being a troll.
It no longer has an impact.
It means nothing.
by Anonymous | reply 46 | May 23, 2020 3:02 AM |
NO, you cannot do you. Not in the middle of a pandemic where one simple person could cause a cluster of infections, there is no you.
You only have facts to deal with, and the fact is 90k+ Americans have died because of the pandemic. There is no choice. There is only carying about others or not.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | May 23, 2020 3:10 AM |
The problem is Americans are generally dumb fucks. Anthony Fauci provides good guidelines, but the problem is you have to have a BRAIN to understand .
Said Re-opening is not flipping a light switch, it’s using a dimmer.
If a person understands social distancing and agrees to wear a mask and has common sense , smart and slow Re-opening is doable . But wah wah, people just want to go back to normal. Sorry - ain’t gonna happen
by Anonymous | reply 48 | May 23, 2020 3:27 AM |
Ignore them, r24. You raise good points. People who have no answers to them resort to name-calling.
We’re all just a little tense around here. Chill. We may not have good answers just yet.
by Anonymous | reply 49 | May 23, 2020 3:27 AM |
Death Becomes U.S. was a really good read.
by Anonymous | reply 50 | May 23, 2020 3:38 AM |
R42, tells us what has changed in your doctor's office, did everyone wear a mask? Was your doctor wearing one?
by Anonymous | reply 51 | May 23, 2020 3:42 AM |
Cuomo announced that gatherings of 10 people are now allowed. It's all over! Ditch those masks and start partying!
by Anonymous | reply 52 | May 23, 2020 3:43 AM |
GRAVEDIGGERS in Brazil are working 12-hour shifts in a race to keep up with the death toll from the coronavirus pandemic.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | May 23, 2020 3:45 AM |
Any theories on why Trump wants religious people to get sick and die? Is he simply satanic?
by Anonymous | reply 54 | May 23, 2020 3:46 AM |
R51 What changed? Yes Dr. & all assts. wore masks & gloves. So did I. Otherwise, same old, same old. It was nice to see them again. Funny, the assistant said she knew of nobody who has tested positive yet, when I asked her. I know if nobody either. Everyone otherwise acted in the office like it was just another day. Everything seemed cleaner than clean, too.
I'm in northern CA btw.
by Anonymous | reply 55 | May 23, 2020 3:53 AM |
The current President of Brazil is an absolute monster. Possibly worse than Trump (I know.) I wonder how long he stays alive. This is South America after all.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | May 23, 2020 3:54 AM |
Bolsanaro should probably sleep with one eye open. This is Brazil we are talking about. They'll have him out within 3 months.
by Anonymous | reply 57 | May 23, 2020 3:57 AM |
Trump and the Republican governors think they can hide the dead bodies from everyone - it's only a few percent who die, after all. People might know a family where one or a few people died but, overall, most people will be okay. The thing is, once these churches start turning into COVID-19 hotspots, there will be entire communities of churchgoers who will be very aware of the deaths among their congregations - and they will know who to blame for allowing this to happen.
by Anonymous | reply 58 | May 23, 2020 4:51 AM |
Trump is trying to score extra votes by opening Churches.
Our Bishop of the local Catholic Diocese is not ready to open Churches to the public just yet. Churches will livestream masses for the present time until it's considered safe to reopen the doors. Worshippers have been told to expect some changes in how services are conducted when they are permitted back inside the Churches.
Personally, I applaud this decision place the health and safety of parishioners a top priority.
by Anonymous | reply 59 | May 23, 2020 5:03 AM |
Reuters @Reuters · 1h Brazil jumps to world No. 2 in coronavirus cases, behind the U.S.
by Anonymous | reply 60 | May 23, 2020 5:03 AM |
KTLA @KTLA · 1h Dodger Stadium will serve and Los Angeles' newest and largest coronavirus testing location starting next Tuesday
by Anonymous | reply 61 | May 23, 2020 5:04 AM |
anyone been to the dentist yet?
ABC News @ABC · 29m Even the most routine procedures can produce aerosol particles and droplets, which linger in the air and can spread coronavirus from asymptomatic patients to anyone who sits in the same operating room—and some hygienists are pushing back:
by Anonymous | reply 62 | May 23, 2020 5:05 AM |
We just started phase II which is supposed to be curbside pickup, but when I drove downtown people were thronging restaurants, not social distancing, and not wearing masks. Young people. They don't care if old people die.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | May 23, 2020 5:08 AM |
Yes, it's just the young people. Not this old cunt.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | May 23, 2020 5:11 AM |
Coronavirus kills pastor who claims he cured coronavirus with faith
by Anonymous | reply 65 | May 23, 2020 5:46 AM |
There are a shit ton of right wing trolls. I read without being logged in, logged in and poof a bunch of stupid, cavalier fuck tards tweets were gone. Some of the responses alone show that these people are provocateurs. There are also all of a sudden people saying shit like we can’t live inside for two or three years and Texas only has 500 deaths. If you don’t want to live inside for a prolonged period, you have to stop the spread. Texas has 1,460 REPORTED deaths. Freedom isn’t the right to put others in harms way. Now, everyone watch out for these fucking traitors. If they’re advocating for back to normal remember they aren’t epidemiologists, they’re trolls here to be divisive and cause chaos. If someone has a tone in their writing that is off and is advocating for even a part of any trumpist malevolent shit, block them; they’re paid trolls.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | May 23, 2020 5:52 AM |
That is quite the conspiracy theory you've got going there, R66. I was accused of being a troll but as time progressed it turns out there are others who agree with some of my points as a self-described moderate/slightly left. And the people who have no rational response are the ones who scream "troll! block him!". I have never been a paid troll. So put on your tinfoil hat and try to calm down. If your ridiculous post was not directed at the likes of me, then pardon my response and carry on. If it was directed at me, fuck off and go back to hiding under the bed.
by Anonymous | reply 67 | May 23, 2020 6:08 AM |
[quote] I'm trying to understand other points of view since mine
You've shown no evidence of this. Any time someone makes a rational argument (like arguing that we should follow the White House's own (ignored) guidelines and not reopen until there have been at least two uninterrupted weeks of declining cases), you simply launch into one of your "We can't stay locked up forever!" tirades. You've made no attempt to listen to or respect anyone's opinions but your own.
by Anonymous | reply 68 | May 23, 2020 6:13 AM |
I was just pondering something. With businesses starting to re-open with safety protocols in place (physical distancing, masks, etc.) some are concerned that there will be a spike in cases. Forget about large group events for a minute (concerts, theaters, conventions, etc.). We've been going to the grocery stores and pharmacies for months and that hasn't caused a spike in cases. Hospitalizations and deaths in LA county are down 15% according to the county health director today on her noon briefing. Why would similar physical circumstances in other types of businesses cause a problem? IF people follow the common sense guidelines.
Here's something else to consider. People are concerned that sometimes people are starting to congregate in groups and disregard guidelines. But is that related to businesses opening, or just behavior related to restlessness after 2+ months of shelter in place? Point is that because some bad behavior coincides with the timing of business re-openings, that doesn't mean cause and effect.
Points to consider as society tries to figure out how to proceed......
by Anonymous | reply 69 | May 23, 2020 6:20 AM |
R68 it appears you have not read all my posts. I have not gone into "tirades". Just stop it. And I have asked others to post their enlightened plans on how the world should proceed (see my R33 post) so I can consider those points of view. Nobody has put forth their DL plan for the world yet. Just the usual drama and things like stating that we should follow the Trump whitehouse plan (really? I thought Trump was an idiot? oh my, the irony!). Hopefully ElderLez will have some thoughts worth listening to tomorrow.
by Anonymous | reply 70 | May 23, 2020 6:28 AM |
So apparently many businesses that rushed to reopen in Georgia have no customers.
So what was the point in the rush?
by Anonymous | reply 71 | May 23, 2020 6:30 AM |
more stores open = more opportunities for corona to spread= increase in cases.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | May 23, 2020 6:35 AM |
[quote] Nobody has put forth their DL plan for the world yet.
[quote] Hopefully ElderLez will have some thoughts worth listening to tomorrow.
Why does ElderLez, or any other DL'er, owe you a "plan for the world"? And why have you appointed yourself the boss of DL and the final judge of those plans?
by Anonymous | reply 73 | May 23, 2020 6:36 AM |
I'm not demanding anyone do anything. I am ASKING for people to share their points of view. It's what people do as part of discussion on a topic. Why are you so bitter towards me R73? I haven't done anything to you. You sound so ridiculous. If you had a crappy day and want to talk about it, feel free to share. Maybe someone can help give some perspective.
by Anonymous | reply 74 | May 23, 2020 6:42 AM |
Thanks R72. But shouldn't the physical distancing and masks mitigate that risk for the most part? It seems to be working at grocery stores and pharmacies. Obviously there's no way to know anything with 100% certainty but it seems logical it should work.
by Anonymous | reply 75 | May 23, 2020 6:43 AM |
[quote] I am ASKING for people to share their points of view.
You are asking for people to share their points of view so that you can criticize them and then repeat your talking points.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | May 23, 2020 6:47 AM |
R62, Made an appointment for next month (original appointment was in mid-March).
I have some fillings that should be done, and although I'm not sure if I feel 100% ready to go in, I also lose my health/dental benefits at months end. So I'm in a bind.
by Anonymous | reply 77 | May 23, 2020 6:49 AM |
R76 that is an incorrect assumption. Do you have ideas on what we should do? Everyone is a critic but nobody is bringing forth solutions. That's one of my points. You are confirming it.
Would you like to discuss why you're so bitter towards me? It's starting to seem a bit unhinged. I had a shitty week too and hope things will get better for everyone.
by Anonymous | reply 78 | May 23, 2020 6:49 AM |
^ including you R76.
by Anonymous | reply 79 | May 23, 2020 6:51 AM |
[quote] Do you have ideas on what we should do?
Yes, I have a great idea. Everyone should drink a gallon of bleach. You can go first, R78.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | May 23, 2020 6:55 AM |
What a helpful comment R81. Is there a reason for being so childish? Do you need help with something? Maybe we can help you sort something out.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | May 23, 2020 6:57 AM |
R75, did you not read the report posted by someone in the previous thread about how an ASYMPTOTIC person went to a restaurant to eat and managed to spread the virus to 45 people in 2.5 hours. I think the ventilation in the restaurant was also an issue.
you can't wear mask while you're eating...
by Anonymous | reply 83 | May 23, 2020 6:59 AM |
But then again.....it's easier to deflect and make someone else the bad guy, when you have no helpful suggestions. We are all in a shitty situation. If my middle-ground approach doesn't work for you, by all means tell us what we should do.
by Anonymous | reply 84 | May 23, 2020 6:59 AM |
Yes, I saw that story R83. I think there are physical environments where the risk might be too high. It might have to be case by case. Some of the restaurants in my area are working with the city to be allowed to use outdoor space on sidewalks and maybe even the right lane of the road for seating so people can be outside and spread out (we have a number of cases where that's already been done successfully, so it's a matter of expanding that due to our current situation). It is an interesting idea.
by Anonymous | reply 85 | May 23, 2020 7:02 AM |
Alert!!! R69 (aka moderately left) has created 22 out the 85 posts on this thread so far.
by Anonymous | reply 86 | May 23, 2020 7:17 AM |
[quote] Is there a reason for being so childish?
Says the person who has called other posters "classic idiots" and has told them to "take their meds," and who has called DataLounge a "sad mess of ridiculousness." Yeah, you've really elevated the dialogue, R82.
by Anonymous | reply 87 | May 23, 2020 7:18 AM |
Anything else you want to get off your mind R87? Did you consider that I chose those words while being under relentless attack by others on DL for posts not intended to provoke drama, but just thought and discussion?
Do you want to discuss anything meaningful or just attack me?
by Anonymous | reply 88 | May 23, 2020 7:28 AM |
R85 here. Parklets is what I was referring to about restaurants expanding their seating outdoors. I thought it sounded crazy until I saw it done, and it can be really cool in the right spot.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | May 23, 2020 7:31 AM |
...and it gives restaurants the possibility of expanding their physical space while maintaining their table count. If for example, health guidelines are for restaurants to only operate at 50% capacity so that people are not crammed too close together, they might be able to get back to 100% capacity if they can utilize space outdoors that's outside their original footprint. Some city planners love it because it creates a village-like atmosphere in what might otherwise be a dreary streetscape.
by Anonymous | reply 90 | May 23, 2020 7:35 AM |
Why is anyone entitled to money simply because they fell out of the vagina of someone who has lots of it?
by Anonymous | reply 91 | May 23, 2020 8:10 AM |
^ OOPS!!!! Wrong thread. That was for the Tori Spelling thread. My apologies!
by Anonymous | reply 92 | May 23, 2020 8:10 AM |
[bold]Trump's tower of folly.[/bold]
(I'mont responsible for this but I like it).
by Anonymous | reply 93 | May 23, 2020 8:20 AM |
Not responsible
by Anonymous | reply 94 | May 23, 2020 8:22 AM |
Good catch R86. But verbose disingenuity =/= Troll
by Anonymous | reply 95 | May 23, 2020 10:36 AM |
[quote] Dr. said a vaccine should be available probably by Jan.2021.
I don't see how that is even remotely possible. It has to be developed, tested and manufactured all in 8 months?
by Anonymous | reply 96 | May 23, 2020 10:37 AM |
From The Guardian: Why we might not get coronavirus vaccine (warning its a depressing read)
by Anonymous | reply 97 | May 23, 2020 11:01 AM |
[R86], it's the Johnstown flood attached to some overworked keyboard. I'm enjoying it, though. Whoever it is, they're creepily fucked. I feel a bit sorry for the keyboard, though. Processing megatons of disingenuous rant won't be easy...
by Anonymous | reply 98 | May 23, 2020 11:15 AM |
You need a new doctor, R42. There is no reason to think that there will be a vaccine developed, tested, and ready to market at the end of this year. Not even Tony "I'm a Government Mouthpiece and Will Say Almost Anything" Fauci is predicting it can be done that quickly. In fact, he is cautioning that it will not be done that quickly. So if there is no reason to think such a thing could be done, there is even less reason for a physician to be handing out un-honey-glazed fantasy about it to his patients.
"You do you" is even worse advice. You go to your doctor to be given the real facts on the matter, not to be told to do any goddamned thing you want. If that doctor visit went the way you have reported it here, your doctor is a public health menace.
Were you at a physician's office or were you seeing your chiropractor?
by Anonymous | reply 99 | May 23, 2020 12:16 PM |
[quote]We've been going to the grocery stores and pharmacies for months and that hasn't caused a spike in cases.
"Over the course of April and into early May, the numbers hovered around 25,000 new cases per day, which indicates that the U.S. is riding steady in its peak. New cases are beginning to decline in hard hit areas such as New York City. But the steady overall tally for the nation means spikes are occurring elsewhere."
by Anonymous | reply 100 | May 23, 2020 12:17 PM |
Appalled but not shocked: yesterday Fauci was pimping for Moderna, saying it was "promising." Just needed "peer review." In a journal somewhere.
by Anonymous | reply 101 | May 23, 2020 12:42 PM |
[quote]So what was the point in the rush?
To keep small businesses unable to make insurance claims and prevent workers from getting unemployment.
by Anonymous | reply 102 | May 23, 2020 1:44 PM |
Another report on using shed virus in local sewage as a way to predict the severity of a city's outbreak. This was first done in Paris, this paper is from Yale. Municipalities everywhere really need to start doing this.
[quote] ..when adjusted for the time lag, the virus RNA concentrations were highly correlated with the COVID-19 epidemiological curve and local hospital admissions
by Anonymous | reply 103 | May 23, 2020 1:54 PM |
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by Anonymous | reply 104 | May 23, 2020 2:14 PM |
R99 Except for the comment about a vaccine, that doctor's advice was perfectly reasonable.
by Anonymous | reply 105 | May 23, 2020 2:14 PM |
If a vaccine is rushed out there late this year, will you be comfortable getting it right away? I will wonder what corners were cut in the testing process, specifically the safety testing.
by Anonymous | reply 106 | May 23, 2020 2:16 PM |
Something about Fauci's demeanor lately that made me wonder if he was transitioning to the Dark Side.
R101 just confirmed my suspicions.
by Anonymous | reply 107 | May 23, 2020 2:18 PM |
Fauci started his career on the dark side. He was Ronald Reagan's mouthpiece on HIV. It doesn't get any darker than that. Then he segued to being Bush's mouthpiece, and continued spewing support for the conservative administrations. His dark side bona fides are SOLID.
He has adapted as necessary. Between being confronted with ACT UP and Bill Clinton, he changed his tune a bit. Now he's solidly back on the dark side.
Where he should be is back in the lab producing that HIV vaccine and cure that he has been optimistically talking about for 39 fucking years.
by Anonymous | reply 108 | May 23, 2020 2:23 PM |
Acting out in defiance of the evidence and proven scientific facts of COVID-19 is now fully baked into the Republican brand. The public health repercussions of this are unimaginable now, but you just watch.
And Darkness and Decay and the Orange Death will hold illimitable dominion over all.
by Anonymous | reply 109 | May 23, 2020 2:47 PM |
Girls, girls, stop fighting. You both can have Coronavirus.
by Anonymous | reply 110 | May 23, 2020 4:22 PM |
Guardian-More than 40 people have been infected with coronavirus after attending at a mass in Frankfurt, Germany earlier this month. Six were admitted to hospital. The service was held on May 10, a few days after the reopening of places of worship in Germany, the daily Frankfurter Rundschau reported.
by Anonymous | reply 111 | May 23, 2020 4:36 PM |
R106, I’m with you. Normally I’m all for vaccines, and I’m about to go back to my pre-Coronavirus regime of catching up with vaccines ASAP, but Trump has pretty much eliminated any type of oversight related to Coronavirus. All those tests out there with false positives and negatives happened because Trump insisted on hamstringing the FDA and wouldn’t let them quality control any of the tests.
So now I’m supposed to just trust the vaccine won’t be dangerous? Only if Trump is gone.
by Anonymous | reply 112 | May 23, 2020 4:43 PM |
They're talking about closing streets in DC so cafes can have more outdoor seating. I'm all for that
by Anonymous | reply 113 | May 23, 2020 4:51 PM |
Though I hope as much as anyone that we could come up with a vaccine for this virus, my only fear is that Trump will take personal credit if it happens while he's still in office (and the media, for the most part, will allow him to get away with it).
by Anonymous | reply 114 | May 23, 2020 4:51 PM |
[R113] That sounds fun! I would love to be sitting outside with privacy enough to not have people eavesdropping on conversation.
by Anonymous | reply 115 | May 23, 2020 5:16 PM |
Guess what Trump is doing today? Golfing.
Guess what Trump tweeted about Obama in 2014
by Anonymous | reply 116 | May 23, 2020 5:34 PM |
Trump doesn't own this pandemic, and the United States isn't the only country racing for a cure.
by Anonymous | reply 117 | May 23, 2020 5:35 PM |
A hairstylist worked while symptomatic and exposed 91 people to coronavirus
(CNN)A hairstylist with coronavirus worked for eight days this month while symptomatic, exposing as many as 91 customers and coworkers in Missouri, health officials said.
The case highlights the threats of community spread in the United States as businesses reopen after weeks of restrictions to combat the spread of coronavirus.
In this instance, the 84 customers exposed got services from the hairstylist at Great Clips, said Clay Goddard, director of the Springfield-Greene County Health Department. In addition to the customers, seven coworkers were also notified of exposure.
It's unclear when the stylist tested positive but the infection is believed to have happened while traveling. The stylist worked May 12 through Wednesday, health officials said Friday. At the time, businesses such as barbershops and hair salons were allowed to operate in the state.
"The individual and their clients were wearing face coverings. The 84 clients potentially directly exposed will be notified by the Health Department and be offered testing, as will seven coworkers," the Springfield-Greene County Health Department said in a statement. "It is the hope of the department that because face coverings were worn throughout this exposure timeline, no additional cases will result."
Goddard did not provide details on the identity or the condition of the stylist. He said health officials have reached out to the people who were exposed, adding that the hairstylist had kept impeccable records that made contact tracing possible.
But he cautioned about the risks of overwhelming resources.
"I'm gong to be honest with you: We can't have many more of these," he said at a news conference. "We can't make this a regular habit or our capabilities as a community will be strained."
Health officials provided a detailed timeline of all the places the stylist visited, including a local Dairy Queen, a Walmart and a CVS pharmacy.
They urged those who may have gone to those places to be on the lookout for coronavirus symptoms.
Goddard said he was pleased with the deep cleaning measures taken by Great Clips, adding that he now considers the business safe.
by Anonymous | reply 118 | May 23, 2020 5:42 PM |
who the fuck are they polling?
MSNBC @MSNBC · 41m President Trump has maintained a positive approval rating for his handling of the economy through the coronavirus pandemic, polls show.
by Anonymous | reply 119 | May 23, 2020 5:43 PM |
Bloomberg QuickTake @QuickTake · 9m Coronavirus is killing Brazilian nurses faster than anywhere else in the world as the pandemic spreads.
by Anonymous | reply 120 | May 23, 2020 5:44 PM |
The Associated Press @AP Chief Justice John Roberts tells graduating seniors at his son’s Connecticut high school that the coronavirus has “pierced our illusion of certainty and control.” He counseled students to make their way in the world with humility, compassion and courage.
by Anonymous | reply 121 | May 23, 2020 5:45 PM |
The Associated Press @AP Chief Justice John Roberts tells graduating seniors at his son’s Connecticut high school that the coronavirus has “pierced our illusion of certainty and control.” He counseled students to make their way in the world with humility, compassion and courage.
by Anonymous | reply 122 | May 23, 2020 5:45 PM |
R67 is exactly what R66 is talking about. A Trumpbot voting moron. Thanks for pointing yourself out, dipshit. Another easy block and ignore for the “BACK TO WORK” psychos. You first, nutbag. Have fun with that.
by Anonymous | reply 123 | May 23, 2020 5:46 PM |
ComicBook.com @ComicBook · 3m Universal Orlando is set to reopen June 5th, but the theme park is warning visitors, making it clear that visiting the park poses an "inherent risk" of coronavirus exposure.
by Anonymous | reply 124 | May 23, 2020 5:47 PM |
I know a bunch of people are going to show up without masks to make a scene and go viral on Deplorable Twitter.
by Anonymous | reply 125 | May 23, 2020 5:50 PM |
CNBC International @CNBCi · 39m More than 1 in 4 Americans are raiding their retirement accounts after a coronavirus-related job loss
by Anonymous | reply 126 | May 23, 2020 5:53 PM |
Newsweek @Newsweek · 7m More than 40 people diagnosed with coronavirus after attending church service in Germany
by Anonymous | reply 127 | May 23, 2020 5:58 PM |
Things are definitely bubbling in India. So far, today's cases and deaths are more or less in line with yesterday's figures according to Worldometer. However, today's figures also include nearly 9K seriously ill/critical patients which is the second highest in the world after the US. Yesterday, there were no such cases reported. Not surprisingly, both cases and deaths are rising as more testing becomes available. A real disaster in the making.
by Anonymous | reply 128 | May 23, 2020 6:00 PM |
R128, India’s going to be a case of cases exploding after widespread testing is available. The cases are already there, they just couldn’t measure them.
I think that happened in Russia too.
by Anonymous | reply 129 | May 23, 2020 6:07 PM |
R128: And the average temp in India, as of today, is 94 degrees. So much for warm weather making the virus go away.
by Anonymous | reply 130 | May 23, 2020 6:17 PM |
[quote]Brazil jumps to world No. 2 in coronavirus cases, behind the U.S.
But, but, but...heat was supposed to save us all. I'm so sick of stupid people.
Speaking of stupid people...the ignorance here about a vaccine is astonishing. I mean, have some of you not even read anything before commenting? No, it's not going to be years and years. The reason? They already had vaccines in late stage development for SARS and MERS. The research was already there and completed through early human trials for many of them. The Oxford vaccine is already in late phase human trials. That is one of the last steps before production begins. I mean, really, at least google 'covid vaccine' and read the first article or two before you start commenting about how the vaccines are years and years away and everything is being rushed and it's never going to work. Ignorance is unbecoming.
by Anonymous | reply 131 | May 23, 2020 6:23 PM |
Congratulations on your results NYCTechie!
I got swabbed this morning for clearance on my procedure on Tuesday, but it'll be a day before I get my results.
Let me preface what I am saying below by restating that I am a lay person and these are my personal imperfect views.
Dear moderately left., I have to say I am a little confused by your bringing your politics into this. The virus doesn't care about who you vote for and your view on ideal tax policy. Decisions about health in general and infectious diseases in particular should be apolitical. No one says give me chemo rather than radiation because I like Ike.
The very disappointing fact is that the majority of US population hasn't had this virus and if given a chance to regain a toe hold it will explode again. What is the general US exposure rate? About 3%, right? And there are 100,000 dead already with the ICUs having held. When the ICUs get overrun the death rate goes from 1ish% to 5ish%. The flattening needs to be done very slowly until we hit about 60% of the population infected to keep the number dead to not much more than a million if we don't have a medical break through.
So I think these are the options before we get back to life somewhat like we knew it:
1) Effective, safe vaccine approved, manufactured and widely adopted 2) Effective, safe mitigation technology (fingers crossed on far UV) discovered and widely adopted plus effective, safe treatment approved 3) Continuation of social shut-down for several years (in a smarter manner hopefully) to maintain an R-0 of 1 or under until we hit the 60% (or 70% or whatever it takes to slow the spread down to an R-0 of 1 or below without a shut-down) 4) 5 million plus dead in a horrifically short time leading to who knows what level of societal break-down.
So our priorities ought to include increased funding for biomedical research to get us to outcome number 1 or 2 (or both) as fast as possible. Non-specific and/or factually inaccurate bad mouthing of researchers, NIH, Fauci and pharma companies is horribly counterproductive.
Our other priority ought to be on the getting this shut-down smarter side. This virus spreads through respiratory droplets that linger in indoor air for 8 - 12 minutes. We all should be wearing masks whenever we are outside our homes distanced or not. Face shields over masks should be worn when social distancing is not possible, like on public transportation. Face shields should be worn when eating and drinking in public. Subways, airplanes, elevators etc, should be cones of silence. We can all learn basic ASL to minimize public talking.
I have a lovely, ergonomically correct, multiple screen, fast internet office. At home I am literally underneath the stairs next to the bathroom, with a single screen and choppy VPN access. It takes so much longer to do everything and it is miserable. And I am absolutely prepared to work from home for the next two years because I CAN work from home and I am not a whiny bitch (just a regular bitch) My working from home means I am unlucky to become a vector of transmission which makes it safer for a cancer researcher to get to her lab to do her experiments that can't be done at home.
I am going to stop here and put the rest in a second post.
by Anonymous | reply 132 | May 23, 2020 6:24 PM |
lol I wouldn’t go near a vaccine rushed out in less than a year. Good luck with that.
by Anonymous | reply 133 | May 23, 2020 6:25 PM |
[quote] Universal Orlando is set to reopen June 5th, but the theme park is warning visitors, making it clear that visiting the park poses an "inherent risk" of coronavirus exposure.
In these challenging times, your health and safety is our No. 1 priority. But we also really, really want your money, so we're reopening on June 5th! We understand that some of you may be reluctant to visit because you don't feel safe. But we hope and pray that most of you don't give a flying fuck about the risks, because we really, really need your money. Bring your neighbors, your kids and grandma on June 5th to our reopening! Remember: We're all in this together!
P.S. If you get sick, don't even think of suing us. We warned you of the risks.
by Anonymous | reply 134 | May 23, 2020 6:26 PM |
R130. And cases and/or deaths are also on the rise in several other hot countries including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Kuwait, Pakistan, and Brazil (of course)
by Anonymous | reply 135 | May 23, 2020 6:30 PM |
[quote]lol I wouldn’t go near a vaccine rushed out in less than a year. Good luck with that.
The ignorant show up so quickly. It's not a new vaccine, genius. It has ten years of prior research behind it. It was developed during the original SARS and MERS outbreaks but they didn't need the vaccine after those viruses self-limited. They are just picking up the research again. Would you take a vaccine that has been researched and tested for a fucking decade? Because that's what these vaccines they are talking about are.
by Anonymous | reply 136 | May 23, 2020 6:31 PM |
Most of the twitter accounts urging America to "reopen" may be bots
by Anonymous | reply 137 | May 23, 2020 6:31 PM |
It? Which particular potential vaccine are you referencing, R136? And which particular potential vaccines are other posters here discussing? Your post appears to mean something, but only so long as one does read it carefully.
by Anonymous | reply 138 | May 23, 2020 6:33 PM |
Contact tracing is the main way to control this. Why the fuck is any state allowing groups of 300 to gather? Do you have any idea what it would be like to contact trace a group of 300 people at, say, a wedding where they attend and then scatter back across the country a day later? Fucking morons.
by Anonymous | reply 139 | May 23, 2020 6:34 PM |
ElderLez, what kind of test are you getting? is that a more accurate one?
by Anonymous | reply 140 | May 23, 2020 6:34 PM |
The Oxford vaccine, as previously mentioned.
by Anonymous | reply 141 | May 23, 2020 6:35 PM |
Trump has been caught between the proverbial rock and a hard place.
He wants to win on the economy, but causing unnecessary American deaths by pushing for the early opening of businesses won't help him, nor will record unemployment and concomitant compensation.
He wants a vaccine, but pushes quackery in hopes of fooling enough voters, causing illnesses and even deaths (hydroxychloraquine, disinfectant, etc.).
He wants the religious vote, but worshippers' deaths will put a damper on their enthusiasm.
He desperately wants to defeat Biden, but cannot make a dent in the popularity of the Obama/Biden Administration in voters' collective memory.
by Anonymous | reply 143 | May 23, 2020 6:38 PM |
R34, I think he doesn't care, but primarily wants to let his nutty "religious" contingent know he's "with them," unlike the godless "Democrat" governors.
by Anonymous | reply 144 | May 23, 2020 6:42 PM |
Not the Abbott one for sure! I am not sure about which one it is though. I went to the Mount Sinai South Nassau drive through. It is just to be able to have the colonoscopy, not to diagnose a possible infection. I'll be floored if I have it.
Amen R136!
Moderna's also for instance R138 although I think that one was developed for Ebola.
Some of the economic damage is unavoidable, but a lot of it is because fear causes decreased spending even among people who have money to spend. I am getting take out at my favorite restaurants and tipping as if I were eating there in person because I want them to survive. I am keeping up my LIRR pass because I want it to still exist when I go back. The US ought to be paying people who need to stay home to stay home, It'll be cheaper and better for the economy in the long run.
Also in regards to workers who need to be on site there are simple things like allowing people to work non-standard hours to maintain productivity despite lowered density.
Now more controversially: We don't know for sure that antibodies give immunity, but it is more likely than not that someone is more at risk if they don't have antibodies than if they do. We could waive parts of HIPAA and the ADA to allow employers to assign tasks based upon risk. In a grocery store, with antibodies employees would be at check out and without antibodies employees would stock the shelves overnight.
And yet more controversially If with genomic screening and big data we could determine who the 35% asymptomatic cases would be (and were sure that antibodies = immunity passport) we could pay them to get infected in group quarantine for two months. They'd be a half way to that 70% number and could then staff lots of public facing jobs.
And most controversially If ICU care does break down and there aren't enough beds, doctors, etc. to go around we could ration based upon social media posts. That seems more ethical to me than age, which is what Italy did. I think a lot of the lets re-open now trolls are really wimps who reassure themselves with the thought the doctors will save them if things go wrong. Such a policy might put some sense in them.
by Anonymous | reply 145 | May 23, 2020 6:51 PM |
R124: Really? Ugh! Forget Florida an dtheir damn theme parks! They don't give a damn about their vistor's safety - just making money. Future trips are to California. I am done with Florida until they have a democratic governor with some sense.
BTW - Just canceled our Florida plane tickets. No refunds, but they offer certicates that can be applied to future United flights in the next 24 months. Since we plan on traveling to Califronia next year, I am not pissed about it.
by Anonymous | reply 146 | May 23, 2020 6:53 PM |
*and their
by Anonymous | reply 147 | May 23, 2020 6:56 PM |
Trump’s only strategy is to sow divisions and complete chaos. As ordered by you know who.
by Anonymous | reply 148 | May 23, 2020 6:58 PM |
NYCTechie I hope the airline doesn't go tits-up in the meantime.
by Anonymous | reply 149 | May 23, 2020 7:00 PM |
Trumpbot retard R136. Another block and ignore.
by Anonymous | reply 150 | May 23, 2020 7:05 PM |
Thanks ElderLez! Keep us posted!
R149: I hope not!🤞
by Anonymous | reply 151 | May 23, 2020 7:06 PM |
R150. Thank you! I find these threads much more enjoyable and informative without the noise.
by Anonymous | reply 153 | May 23, 2020 7:12 PM |
Elder your ideas are crackpot and illegal.
by Anonymous | reply 154 | May 23, 2020 7:26 PM |
The US and Brazil are duking it out for the most deaths today. The prize is the most fucked in this truly fucked up world. I predict that the US will eek out a win today but all bets are off for the next 2 days due to the Memorial holiday. All states will want to put their best numbers foward for the "good of the country" and shit like that.
by Anonymous | reply 155 | May 23, 2020 7:29 PM |
Karens harass a reporter for wearing a mask in Albany, MN. Hillary was too kind when she called them deplorables.
by Anonymous | reply 157 | May 23, 2020 7:52 PM |
The worst aspects of American culture are on full display. Racism (the Chinese did this to us!), blind consumerism (if the President says hydroxycholoriquine works it must be true!), religious fanaticism (God will protect me!), and general infantile Karenism (you can't tell me what to do because I'm special!)
by Anonymous | reply 158 | May 23, 2020 8:07 PM |
R158, the virus is from China, that's a FACT! and they tried to cover it up and all kinds of shit...eg. telling the world no human to human transmission, all kinds of BS. They need to be called out for their crimes and other behaviors.
by Anonymous | reply 159 | May 23, 2020 8:10 PM |
Texas needs to take its foot off the accelerator!
In Texas, Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins said he consults with doctors and experts from area hospitals, "and what they tell us is that we're reopening too fast, and we're reopening in the wrong order."
Local jurisdictions in Texas do not have the authority to issue more stringent restrictions than the state, which began aggressively reopening this month. So Dallas has focused on messaging. The county has a daily "covid-19 risk level" that is currently red, for "stay home, stay safe." Officials are working on seals that businesses can display to indicate they are meeting local public health guidelines, not just state mandates.
The Imperial College estimates for Texas are in line with internal modeling conducted by university experts advising state leaders.
Rebecca Fischer, an epidemiologist at Texas A&M University and part of a team partnering with the governor's office, said the daily caseload was fluctuating, but "it looks like we're not cresting a peak and coming down the other side."
A week ago, Texas reported a single-day high in new cases as well as deaths - about 14 days after the beginning of the state's phased reopening. The state has now reported more than 52,000 cases and nearly 1,500 deaths.
by Anonymous | reply 160 | May 23, 2020 8:15 PM |
Britain, France issue strict quarantine rules for post-pandemic travel
Post-pandemic travel in Europe is shaping up as the battle of the quarantines with France imposing two-week reciprocal lockdowns on its neighbors when travel resumes next month.
Travelers to France from the UK will have to self-isolate for 14 days from June 8, the French government said last week. The announcement came on the heels of a similar quarantine plan announced by the British government from the same date for travelers from France, the BBC reported.
Upon arriving in the UK travelers will be required to inform government authorities where they will quarantine, and face enforcement through random spot checks and fines of more than $1,200, said Home Secretary Priti Patel at a press briefing in London Friday.
Truck drivers, health workers, seasonal farm workers and travelers from Ireland will be exempt from the UK quarantine measures, she said.
by Anonymous | reply 161 | May 23, 2020 8:20 PM |
Coronavirus immunity could disappear after six months, study finds
Immunity to the coronavirus could only last up to six months, scientists say.
A study at the University of Amsterdam found that those who survived the coronavirus could become reinfected within six months, casting doubt on the concept of “immunity passports” to allow survivors of the virus to return to normal life, according to a report in The Science Times.
For 35 years, University of Amsterdam scientists, led by Lia van der Hoek regularly tested 10 men for four coronaviruses that cause the common cold. While most were reinfected within three years, there were “significant” drops in antibody levels after six months, the study found.
“Coronavirus protective immunity is short-lasting,” van der Hoek said. “We saw frequent reinfections at 12 months post-infection and substantial reduction in antibody levels as soon as six months post-infection. Achieving herd immunity may be challenging due to rapid loss of protective immunity.”
by Anonymous | reply 162 | May 23, 2020 8:22 PM |
Some of you idiots like R150 think that my posting about the science of the Oxford vaccine, among a few others, is Trumptard behavior? You've gone round the bend. You might want to check my posting history, geniuses. You actually look troll-like by spewing your ignorance and then gaslighting people who actually counter with, ya know, facts.
by Anonymous | reply 163 | May 23, 2020 8:22 PM |
R162 yeah immunity to the cold coronaviruses is short-lived. Immunity to SARS-CoV-1 (original SARS) is longer lasting, but not long enough.
by Anonymous | reply 164 | May 23, 2020 8:36 PM |
The “Oxford” vaccine is completely unproven, and is NOT going to be the answer. This ridiculous six month vaccine hysteria needs to stop. And especially coming out of the mouths of morons like you R136. That’s why you need to be blocked. Enough.
by Anonymous | reply 165 | May 23, 2020 8:41 PM |
[quote] the virus is from China, that's a FACT!
Wrong. The virus is from God, the creator of everything. The same God the christers waddle to church and worship three times a week. The same God they pay to support when the plate comes by.
The virus came from God and it's going to kill all the Republicans!
by Anonymous | reply 166 | May 23, 2020 8:45 PM |
1411 from 100K deaths. USA on top.
by Anonymous | reply 167 | May 23, 2020 9:19 PM |
Meanwhile deaths the last 5 days:
Texas 152
NY 684
by Anonymous | reply 168 | May 23, 2020 9:20 PM |
Yep. NY numbers are dropping and TX numbers are increasing.
by Anonymous | reply 169 | May 23, 2020 9:23 PM |
R169. The very questionable Texas numbers given their number of reported cases relative to other large states. Putin, is that you?
by Anonymous | reply 170 | May 23, 2020 9:40 PM |
ElderLez, thanks for sharing your thoughts. The thoughts on duration of shut-down is hard for me to get my mind around. But as I'm re-reading your R132 post, I think you meant that list of options to mean we need to do at least one of those 5 options, right, not all 5? If so then I agree more closely.
Most of all, thank you for being rational and thoughtful in the way you replied. I remember some of your posts on other threads and had a very good opinion of you, and you just confirmed why! FYI, I agree I don't like politics being a part of this. I hate politics in general. I started using the "moderately left" signature because some of my views were being misconstrued on the prior thread as "rightwing" or "trumper" which is far from the truth. I allowed those troll attacks to get under my skin and tried to nip it in the bud by declaring my moderately left standing, so to speak, to steer people away from perceiving me that way. It failed but I will keep using that signature line in this thread just so I'm not "hiding" as anonymous. I will try to settle down and not let the trolls get to me.
Someone else upthread made a snarky comment about how many posts I made on this thread. Who cares? It's a discussion and sometimes I do a lot of thinking at night and that's when I start posting.
I 100% agree that we need to increase funding on research (treatment options as well as vaccine development). I have similar views on antibody testing. We don't know for sure if antibodies = immunity but there logically is a likelihood of some level of immunity and that factor could be taken into account when determining how people could proceed and manage risk. Staggering shifts for people who cannot work from home is another way to move along with re-opening while reducing risk (acknowledging that risk cannot be completely eliminated).
What did you think about the idea of allowing restaurants to re-open with added capacity by expanding outdoors (the "parklets" idea in my R85/R89 posts)? I like the idea of the safety (distancing) aspect but also helping the businesses succeed. It's one of those meet in the middle compromises that I like.
by Anonymous | reply 171 | May 23, 2020 9:59 PM |
R165, just making proclamations doesn't make them true, moron. You know nothing and you're not basing your opinions on science or facts. You are a troll. And and obvious one.
by Anonymous | reply 172 | May 23, 2020 10:17 PM |
R112 The scary thing is how crazy fast they’re rushing to get a vaccine out. Normally these things take years. I can’t help but wonder how many corners are being cut in the mad rush.
by Anonymous | reply 173 | May 23, 2020 10:19 PM |
Weren't we "supposed" to hit 100K around 1 August?
by Anonymous | reply 174 | May 23, 2020 10:20 PM |
Asa Hutchinson, Republican governor of Arkansas, says his state is experiencing a second peak of Covid-19 cases.
We're having a second peak right now and they're really about 30 days apart," Hutchinson said at a briefing Saturday.
by Anonymous | reply 175 | May 23, 2020 10:23 PM |
R173, go read up on the vaccines that are being worked on now. Again, these are not new vaccines. They have been researched for over a decade because the research began during that initial SARS/MERS outbreak.
Really, is there some Repug troll agenda to shit on the idea of a vaccine and make proclamations based on their uneducated opinions rather than reality, science, and the actual facts as they currently exist?
by Anonymous | reply 176 | May 23, 2020 10:26 PM |
R176 I agree. Unfortunately some people choose to live in a self-created world of fear and "reaction" without first trying to understand at least some of the underlying facts and data or thinking about the overall picture.
by Anonymous | reply 177 | May 23, 2020 10:32 PM |
^ R177 = moderately left, forgot to sign my post
by Anonymous | reply 178 | May 23, 2020 10:33 PM |
Anyone wish that with all the media attention that muscle freak nurse who got Covid at the Winter Party and who has now been putting out the pictures of his massive weight loss while sick, that even one of them would have asked him about how much his obvious steroid use contributed to his lessened immune system and his huge amount of muscle loss during his sickness?
by Anonymous | reply 179 | May 23, 2020 10:35 PM |
One final viral infusion: Trump’s move to block travel from Europe triggered chaos and a surge of passengers from the outbreak’s center.
Trump botched Oval Office address announcing Europe travel restrictions, leading many US citizens to believe they were about to be locked out of country. Air travel surged – from 30K on 3/11 to 45K on 3/12. Many carried infection, reentered country w/ no medical checks.
Jack Siebert, NYU student studying in Madrid, caught covid in Spain with temps of 104 degrees. After Trump oval speech, his parents raced to get him flight home. He spent 5 hrs in crowded lines at O’Hare. CDC screeners just took his temp and waived him thru.
The sequence was repeated at airports across the country that weekend. Harrowing scenes of interminable lines and unmasked faces crammed in confined spaces spread across social media.
The images showed how a policy intended to block the pathogen’s entry into the United States instead delivered one final viral infusion. As those exposed travelers fanned out into U.S. cities and suburbs, they became part of an influx from Europe that went unchecked for weeks and helped to seal the country’s coronavirus fate.
by Anonymous | reply 180 | May 23, 2020 10:59 PM |
[quote]Really, is there some Repug troll agenda to shit on the idea of a vaccine and make proclamations based on their uneducated opinions rather than reality, science, and the actual facts as they currently exist?
R176, you could be on to something:
by Anonymous | reply 181 | May 23, 2020 11:16 PM |
Dump must be furious. He survived Mueller and impeachment, and just when he thought he was home free gets taken down by a damn virus. Lol
by Anonymous | reply 182 | May 23, 2020 11:16 PM |
"Moderately left" is accusing others of not understanding the issues when he doesn't understand them himself
by Anonymous | reply 183 | May 23, 2020 11:19 PM |
Isn't it crazy? The impeachment seems like it was years ago but it was just several months ago. The current virus situation has taken over a very high % of media attention and other things that would otherwise be big issues kinda got swept away into history.
by Anonymous | reply 184 | May 23, 2020 11:20 PM |
Examples, R183? I don't claim to understand everything, or even claim to be right about everything. I have opinions, of course. I'm learning along with everyone else. This is just one forum for exchange of ideas.
by Anonymous | reply 185 | May 23, 2020 11:21 PM |
I found the Disney surgical masks. I do t think they have room for a filter? But they would probably be ok under a shield. They are for children and adults.
They have Star Wars and the Incredible Hulk.
by Anonymous | reply 186 | May 23, 2020 11:29 PM |
R185, if you are claiming to be an expert why are you accusing others of not being informed?
by Anonymous | reply 188 | May 23, 2020 11:46 PM |
[quote]The current virus situation has taken over a very high % of media attention
A very high % of media attention? It's Covoronavirus 24/7.
I especially love CNN, how it alternates between stories about how we MUST STAY LOCKED DOWN!! with stories about how THE ECONOMY IS TANKING!!
It is insane. No wonder people are fed up.
by Anonymous | reply 189 | May 23, 2020 11:48 PM |
I see now, you're just trolling and trying to get a reaction. Have a nice day!
by Anonymous | reply 190 | May 23, 2020 11:48 PM |
But R189 - they are right.
by Anonymous | reply 191 | May 23, 2020 11:49 PM |
^ that was me, R185
by Anonymous | reply 192 | May 23, 2020 11:49 PM |
⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 23 - 8:15 PM EST
🐢 NATIONAL TURTLE DAY
🎷 NATIONAL JAZZ DAY
🌎 GLOBAL
CASES: ,5,397,857
DEATHS: 343,599
CRITICAL: ,53,562
🇺🇸 UNITED STATES
CASES: 1,667,801
DEATHS: 98,674
CRITICAL: 17,134
📊 STATS@ WORLDOMETER.COM
🎇 MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND - KEEP YOUR DISTANCE !
by Anonymous | reply 193 | May 24, 2020 12:14 AM |
[quote]I found the Disney surgical masks
#LateCapitalism
by Anonymous | reply 194 | May 24, 2020 1:46 AM |
NPR: A day after entering its second phase of re-opening, North Carolina has reported its highest one-day spike in new COVID-19 cases: 1,107
by Anonymous | reply 195 | May 24, 2020 2:06 AM |
Why was the last thread so good and this one so bad. We don’t care about your name or your petty fights with strangers.
by Anonymous | reply 196 | May 24, 2020 2:46 AM |
R195 I wish media would cite numbers that mean something. More “new cases” is a function of more testing being done. New cases as a percentage of total tests done would mean something, or #s of covid hospitalizations. This “big spike in new cases!” bullshit is meaningless.
by Anonymous | reply 197 | May 24, 2020 3:30 AM |
R197, New York has their own tests, and today Andrew Cuomo was telling people they can get tested again if they think they’ve been exposed, like hospital workers or others with public contact. So they seem to have plenty of tests there.
Today, the previous day death number was down again, it was 84. It’s gone up and down a tiny bit for the last couple of weeks, but the trend is down. That’s the first day it was under 100 deaths. Hospitalizations and intubations are also down.
New York has been criticized a lot, but because they are such a dense city, and everyone uses public transit, it’s very hard to get control of a pandemic. But they did it. Now we’ll see if people are trained enough to be able to go out and still keep the numbers down. Lockdown is like training wheels to learn how to live with this.
The places on the upswing are places where people didn’t learn the lesson. If you just can’t live without going to church and breathing all over people from one inch away, you’re screwed. Tomorrow all the evangelist preachers will demand people come in person and give them money, and some of their parishioners will die. Old people like to go to church. And they can be guilted into giving money, and they have a steady income of social security and pensions. They’re a preacher’s best bet to get money. If they die, they’re just killing the goose that laid the golden egg, but I guess they’re too shortsighted or desperate to care.
People should learn from this that churches have denigrated into a clique of people that take pride in making their neighbor sick and looking down on people outside the clique as expendable. How these people can sleep at night is beyond me, let alone call themselves Christian.
by Anonymous | reply 198 | May 24, 2020 4:18 AM |
2020 stolen by a virus.
by Anonymous | reply 199 | May 24, 2020 5:06 AM |
So glad I am not a high school senior now - no prom, senior class trip, graduation! 17 year old me would've just died!!
by Anonymous | reply 200 | May 24, 2020 5:09 AM |
YES, thank you R197. WW.
by Anonymous | reply 201 | May 24, 2020 5:10 AM |
[italic] Corona Freakout Fatigue Syndrome
by Anonymous | reply 202 | May 24, 2020 5:17 AM |
R195 I appreciated this post. Will we have more evidence that un-hibernating will correlate with higher # of cases? Higher hospitalizations? Higher death rate?
by Anonymous | reply 203 | May 24, 2020 5:18 AM |
I think that should become an official term R202!
by Anonymous | reply 204 | May 24, 2020 5:18 AM |
"moderately left" = seriously trollish.
by Anonymous | reply 205 | May 24, 2020 5:29 AM |
I have a watched thread called "Where to retire in proximity to NYC". It all seems so quaint now.
by Anonymous | reply 206 | May 24, 2020 5:29 AM |
Hi R205. I have no idea what your comment meant, but thanks for sharing your thoughts. Hope you're having a great Sat night. I'm just now eating dinner finally and drinking wine.
by Anonymous | reply 207 | May 24, 2020 5:31 AM |
Right now, it means you're blocked, troll.
by Anonymous | reply 208 | May 24, 2020 5:34 AM |
Ok, bye R208. I don't know what I did, but whatever. Have a good night.
by Anonymous | reply 209 | May 24, 2020 5:35 AM |
Dear Moderately Left, I don't think you're a troll, but why not try typing your posts as "anonymous" for a while. Just a suggestion. I think your'e getting picked on because you choose to stand out.
It's fine to share ideas and be anonymous. Then, after you've been on DL awhile, take yourself a moniker. Ideas are more important than names here. It sounds like you want to share ideas, which is great.
Trolls come on DL to make trouble. Others will generally agree if someone is a troll. Then just put them on block.
by Anonymous | reply 210 | May 24, 2020 5:53 AM |
There's no drollery in trollery skirmishes.
by Anonymous | reply 211 | May 24, 2020 6:02 AM |
Funny how we've hovered at 100,000 dead for a week now. Somebody is cooking the numbers to keep them down.
by Anonymous | reply 212 | May 24, 2020 6:07 AM |
[QUOTE] block them; they’re paid trolls.
Welp Troll! You think everyone who disagrees with you is a paid shill. Pathetic, paranoid spaz.
by Anonymous | reply 213 | May 24, 2020 7:08 AM |
That’s what happened in other countries early on, R203. In Wuhan they were super careful when they opened up and very restrictive, and even they had at least some bump.
The countries that have opened up and are still doing fairly well are countries where everyone wears a mask to go outside and they curtail unnecessary close socializing and travel. Those places practice social distancing and have a lot of contract tracing. And they take people’s temperatures when they go places. It doesn’t catch all the cases, but it catches some.
The U. S. doesn’t have any of that. And too many refuse to wear masks. Masks are the best weapon we have.
by Anonymous | reply 214 | May 24, 2020 7:17 AM |
R174, A badge of honor, really. Because we tested, and we found new cases. Other countries don't test as much, we have the most tests, tremendous, right, Debbie? in the world, more than CHEYE-na.
I have a great relationship with Xi, get along well, but I had to tell him this morning, Xi, don't lie. Don't lie. I told him. He wasn't happy about it, but that's okay. He hid this plague, I call it a plague, some call it a disease, or flu. Xi hid this vicious enemy from us, but America will defeat this invisible nasty enemy.
We have our churches, some people go to different buildings, but our churches have been perfect. Democrat governors don't want you to go to church, they want you to go to bars and abortion clinics. Sleepy Joe likes to sleep late on Sundays, read Fake Newspapers like the Bezos Post. No church, no church.
So everybody, get out this weekend, golf, I'm going to golf on my beautiful Trump course. Miss the Derby, though, I told Mitch he should make them hold it, but it's now in September, right, Mike?
Have a perfect Memorandum, Memory Day.
by Anonymous | reply 215 | May 24, 2020 8:30 AM |
[quote] Weren't we "supposed" to hit 100K around 1 August?
As recently as about 3 weeks ago, we were "supposed" to have a grand total of about 60,000-70,000 deaths, according to Trump and according to most of the models. Then, almost overnight, the models doubled the number of projected deaths to about 130,000-140,000. Nearly all of the models are based on the assumption that there will be a steady downward slope in the number of deaths between now and August, similar to the steady upward slope back in March and early April. They also assume there will be no second (or third) wave. But over the past month, the daily numbers have bounced around and dropped only slightly. We've basically been in a plateau for the past month. If that plateau continues, or if deaths begin to spike upward again as more states reopen and people stop taking precautions, we might hit 200,000 dead by Aug. 1.
by Anonymous | reply 216 | May 24, 2020 8:52 AM |
R216, the reason the predictions jumped almost overnight was because the models originally took strong social distancing measures into account. When the fucking idiot states starting opening up without restrictions, the models had to remove that variable from their equations. The new models had to put stupidity in place of responsibility, hence the doubling of deaths.
by Anonymous | reply 217 | May 24, 2020 9:18 AM |
Who is the juvenile idiot @ R22 who keeps calling everyone a "spaz"? I haven't heard that since I was in grade school decades ago.
by Anonymous | reply 218 | May 24, 2020 9:23 AM |
[quote]I feel terrible for small businesses, I’m just confused as to when we guaranteed every business to be profitable at all times and must never go out of business?
God, how dumb are you? Demand is raging, fool. People can't be near each other--at this moment in time. Businesses aren't going to fail because of lack of demand. They will fail because they can not survive indefinitely without close contact. Who is going to cut your hair or serve you dinner at a restaurant when this is all over?
Let me illustrate it more clearly by substituting a few of your own words:
[quote]I feel terrible for people who are out of work, I’m just confused as to when we are guaranteed everyone stimulus checks and extra unemployment. Why should they expect to feed their families at all times and never go hungry?
by Anonymous | reply 219 | May 24, 2020 9:39 AM |
Why are all the countries of the world considered separately when reporting on Covid but then they lump all of Africa together?
by Anonymous | reply 220 | May 24, 2020 10:56 AM |
R219, interesting when you edited another's post, it sounds just like a Republican Ayn Rand lover. Are you Paul Ryan?
by Anonymous | reply 221 | May 24, 2020 11:35 AM |
[quote]Funny how we've hovered at 100,000 dead for a week now.
If that's an honest statement, R212 needs to improve his news sources or his reading comprehension.
All week long, there has been a prediction in the press that we would hit the 100,000 during the Memorial Day weekend. And all week long, the numbers have been going up and up, ever closer to the 100,000 mark. Not hovering. Increasing.
by Anonymous | reply 222 | May 24, 2020 12:13 PM |
We'll soon learn whether the warmer, more humid weather knocks out COVID-19 the way it does with the flu and common cold, which seems to be the assumption the Trump administration and its cultists are going on here. It would be great as it would buy us more time to get down to doing the things we should have been doing all along--increase production and distribution of things like PPE, hand sanitizer and disinfecting wipes, design and implement safety systems to put in place so we can carry on with our normal lives in case of a surge in infections, and assemble what we've learned about this virus into clear public health messaging to educate and protect against the sewer of lies and scams out there (including Trump's.)
by Anonymous | reply 223 | May 24, 2020 12:23 PM |
[quote] the sewer of lies and scams
Well stated. That's where Trump has dumped us all.
by Anonymous | reply 224 | May 24, 2020 12:26 PM |
[quote] I wish media would cite numbers that mean something. More “new cases” is a function of more testing being done. New cases as a percentage of total tests done would mean something, or #s of covid hospitalizations. This “big spike in new cases!” bullshit is meaningless.
r197 Moreover, the lack of uniform test protocols and reporting makes the # of cases meaningless. Florida is NOT reporting all their cases. A typical drive for me on Commercial Blvd has one or two ambulances w/sirens heading to Holy Cross. Yet, Broward's cases are declining and we are reopening.
There are no valid comparisons to be derived, either over time or between reporting jurisdictions.
by Anonymous | reply 226 | May 24, 2020 1:08 PM |
R226 The inane headlines we keep seeing such as, "Deplorable State's New Cases Jump 2 Days After Reopening!" are so misleading. Any new cases being reported are, as everyone in these threads knows by now, people who got sick weeks before the opening. Even though I'm an anti-reopening doom-monger, the media need to stop implying causation with these types of headlines.
More accurate would be, "Despite Surge In New Cases, Governor Proceeds with Reopening."
I don't think we'll see accuracy and accountability in news reporting again in our lifetimes.
by Anonymous | reply 227 | May 24, 2020 1:48 PM |
Dumps handling of the crisis is in line with his approval ratings...under water.
by Anonymous | reply 228 | May 24, 2020 1:50 PM |
Here's a twitter thread that I like a lot.
By the way talking about summer weather, Influenza viruses are very susceptible to heat and humidity. (I can link the article again if anyone missed it before.) Coronaviruses, not so much. But all viruses are susceptible to UV. I think going to the beach on a sunny summer day while maintaining 15 feet distance from others and wearing a mask should be relatively safe.
by Anonymous | reply 229 | May 24, 2020 1:53 PM |
r229, we've seen the pictures on those beaches--nobody's wearing a mask or social distancing. And what do you think's going to happen when they get in the water? All kind of shit's going to be floating around in there and spraying around.
by Anonymous | reply 230 | May 24, 2020 2:09 PM |
Did Japan Just Beat the Virus Without Lockdowns or Mass Testing?
Japan’s state of emergency is nearing its end with new cases of the coronavirus dwindling to mere dozens. It got there despite largely ignoring the default playbook.
No restrictions were placed on residents’ movements, and businesses from restaurants to hairdressers stayed open. No high-tech apps that tracked people’s movements were deployed. The country doesn’t have a center for disease control. And even as nations were exhorted to “test, test, test,” Japan has tested just 0.2% of its population -- one of the lowest rates among developed countries.
While the possibility of a more severe second wave of infection is ever-present, Japan has entered and is set to leave its emergency in just weeks, with the status already lifted for most of the country and likely to exit completely as early as Monday.
by Anonymous | reply 231 | May 24, 2020 2:25 PM |
⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 24 - 10:25 AM EST
👨👨👦 NATIONAL BROTHERS DAY
🐌 NATIONAL ESCARGOT DAY
🌎 GLOBAL
CASES: 5,436,911
DEATHS: 344,548
CRITICAL: 53,244
🇺🇸 UNITED STATES
CASES: 1,669,311
DEATHS: 98,746
CRITICAL: 17,049
📊 WORLDOMETER.COM
🐝 BE NICE
by Anonymous | reply 232 | May 24, 2020 2:26 PM |
A little off topic. Someone posted Coronavirus one-liners on another website. I thought a few were funny.
[quote]I don’t like the fact that my chances of survival seem to be linked to the common sense of others.
[quote]Breaking News: Wearing a mask inside your home is now highly recommended. Not so much to prevent coronavirus, but to stop eating.
[quote]With so many sporting events cancelled, they’re having to televise the World Origami Championship…It’s on Paperview.
[quote]I can’t believe I can walk into a store to buy weed, but I have to meet my hairdresser in a dark alley with unmarked bills to get a haircut!
[quote]Police confront nudist sunbathers over not wearing facemasks amid coronavirus outbreak.
[quote]And just like that…having a mask, rubber gloves, duct tape, plastic sheeting and rope in your trunk is OK.
[quote]Shout out to all the parents who never taught their kids respect and now they’re stuck at home with the little shits!!!
[quote]People keep asking “is coronavirus really that serious?” Listen up! Casinos and churches are closed. When heaven and hell agree on the same thing, it’s probably pretty serious!
by Anonymous | reply 233 | May 24, 2020 2:26 PM |
Wow, I guess the US is severely underreporting so we don't hit 100,000 on Memorial Day.
by Anonymous | reply 234 | May 24, 2020 2:36 PM |
R231 The irony of that article coming from The Houston Chronicle! Japan could pull that off because Japanese people follow directions, consider the greater good, and believe in science unlike TEXANS.
by Anonymous | reply 235 | May 24, 2020 2:51 PM |
R230 perhaps I should have clarified that I meant beaches where that is possible. I live a few blocks from the ocean and so I was thinking of my beach, not the Florida or Texas beaches. Please do keep in mind though that depending on the angle those pictures can look worse than they really are. Drone footage is the best for determining if people are staying apart or not. Salt water is safer than fresh water since salt concentrations do kill viruses. There is risk in going into the water nontheless. See 5.3.3 of the attached.
by Anonymous | reply 236 | May 24, 2020 3:05 PM |
OMG!
BBC-Americans are being warned to be wary of hungry rats who have become angry due to a lack of their usual restaurant food to feast on during the coronavirus lockdown. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said there had been "reports of unusual or aggressive rodent behaviour" due to a decrease in food available, "especially in dense commercial areas".
by Anonymous | reply 237 | May 24, 2020 3:27 PM |
That NYT article is devastating. Hats off to them for taking the time to put that together.
by Anonymous | reply 238 | May 24, 2020 3:31 PM |
In Japan, they'd already been wearing masks for years so easily complied. Weather there is also hot and sunny now, which limits transmission, however much the doomsday troll here claims it does not.
by Anonymous | reply 239 | May 24, 2020 3:35 PM |
I have been tracking FL for a week now. Funny how it is approx. deaths 40-48 every day. They should at least try to lie more convincingly. When the hospitals get overwhelmed in June/July, the truth will come out. Same with GA.
by Anonymous | reply 240 | May 24, 2020 3:38 PM |
Sunny weather limits transmission because of UV rays. Hot weather doesn’t because corona viruses are not influenza viruses. (Heat over 150 F is effective though)
by Anonymous | reply 241 | May 24, 2020 3:40 PM |
Oxford scientists working on a coronavirus vaccine say there is now only a 50% chance of success because the number of UK cases is falling too quickly
The first human trial of the hAdOx1 nCoV-19. vaccine from the Oxford Vaccine Group. YouTube/University of Oxford Oxford scientists working on a coronavirus vaccine say the chances of success are now 50%. They say that's because the number of people with the virus in the UK is falling too quickly. "At the moment, there's a 50% chance that we get no result at all," scientist Adam Hill said this weekend. His colleague Sir John Bell said vaccine scientists might have to "chase" COVID-19 around Britain. Oxford scientists have teamed up drugmaker AstraZeneca Plc to develop an experimental vaccine called ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.
Scientists involved in one of the world's leading studies into finding a vaccine for the coronavirus say there is currently only a 50% chance of success because the number of people in Britain with the virus is falling too quickly. The Oxford University mission to find a vaccine for the COVID-19 virus is in "a race against the virus disappearing, and against time," Adam Hill, director at Oxford University's Jenner Institute, said this weekend. Hill told The Telegraph newspaper that the number of people in the UK with the virus was falling at a rate that meant there might not be enough people to test the experimental vaccine known as ChAdOx1 nCoV-19. "At the moment, there's a 50% chance that we get no result at all," he said.
Hill's colleague Sir John Bell, an Oxford University regius professor of medicine, made the same observation in a weekend interview with The Times of London newspaper. "You wouldn't start [trials] in London now for sure," Bell told the newspaper. Cases of the coronavirus in England's capital are currently falling faster than anywhere else in the country. Bell said that scientists might have to "chase" the virus around the nation for the vaccine trials to be successful. "The latest figures show 634 confirmed cases in the capital in the past fortnight," Bell told the newspaper.
"In contrast, there was an increase of 163 on Friday alone in the northwest of England, taking the total in the region to 24,295 confirmed cases. "The question is: can you chase the disease around the UK? Then there's the question about whether you chase it internationally." Scientists at Oxford are working with global pharmaceutical company AstraZeneca Plc to produce the vaccine. It's one of several studies around the world with the aim of developing a vaccine for the COVID-19 virus. The Oxford Vaccine Group says it hopes to complete human trials on the hAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine in September.
The first two humans were injected with the vaccine at the end of last month. About 1,100 people in the UK are expected to take part in the trial, which is funded by Boris Johnson's UK government.
by Anonymous | reply 242 | May 24, 2020 3:41 PM |
[QUOTE] When the hospitals get overwhelmed in June/July, the truth will come out. Same with GA.
With temps in the high 80s and 90s every day? Forget it. You've been forecasting Florida hell for 41 threads. It's not happening.
by Anonymous | reply 243 | May 24, 2020 3:43 PM |
Which is why Texas barely has any cases now.
Oh, wait.
by Anonymous | reply 244 | May 24, 2020 3:44 PM |
The reason the death toll is falling in London is again, high temps. Every afternoon it gets up to at least 25c with eight hours of bright sunshine and is forecast to do this for at least the next three weeks. I live there and only about 50% of people are wearing masks. Elsewhere in the north, temps struggle to get above 20c and it's much more overcast.
by Anonymous | reply 245 | May 24, 2020 3:47 PM |
[italic] Just tell the people what they want to hear !
by Anonymous | reply 246 | May 24, 2020 3:48 PM |
R244: Same with India. Oh, nevermind...
by Anonymous | reply 247 | May 24, 2020 3:48 PM |
Wuhan lab admits to having three live strains of bat coronavirus on site
The Chinese lab eyed as a potential source of COVID-19 has admitted having three live strains of bat coronavirus on-site — but insisted none are the source of the global pandemic.
The Wuhan Institute of Virology has since 2004 “isolated and obtained some coronaviruses from bats,” its director Wang Yanyi said in an interview that aired Saturday, according to Agence France-Presse (AFP).
“Now we have three strains of live viruses… But their highest similarity to SARS-CoV-2 only reaches 79.8 percent,” Yanyi said, referring to the coronavirus strain that causes COVID-19.
“It’s an obvious difference,” she said, according to AFP.
Yanyi trashed the conspiracy that the pandemic started in her lab — one pushed by President Trump and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo — as “pure fabrication.”
Her scientists had never “encountered, researched or kept the virus” until it received samples on December 30, when it had already unknowingly taken hold on Wuhan, the contagion’s epicenter, she said.
“In fact, like everyone else, we didn’t even know the virus existed,” she said of the new virus that as of Sunday had infected more than 5.3 million and killed more than 340,000 worldwide.
“How could it have leaked from our lab when we never had it?”
Chinese scientists have always said that the virus first emerged at a wet market selling live animals in Wuhan.
But US authorities raised suspicions over the lab at the heart of the epicenter — claims that the World Health Organization have insisted are purely “speculative” without evidence being offered.
Chinese Foreign minister Wang Yi on Sunday claimed US politicians chose to “fabricate rumors” about the origins to “stigmatize China.”
He said China would be “open” to international cooperation to identify the source of the novel coronavirus, as long as any investigation is “free of political interference.”
by Anonymous | reply 248 | May 24, 2020 3:49 PM |
50% chance of a vaccine is 100% bullshit.
by Anonymous | reply 249 | May 24, 2020 3:49 PM |
Coronavirus patients no longer infectious after 11 days: study
Coronavirus patients stop being infectious 11 days after contracting the disease — even if they still test positive for COVID-19 on day 12, according to a new study.
Singaporean infectious disease experts said they found that the virus “could not be isolated or cultured after day 11 of illness,” according to a joint paper from the country’s National Center for Infectious Diseases and the Academy of Medicine.
Researchers looked at the “viral load” in 73 COVID-19 patients to measure whether the bug was still viable and could infect anyone.
“Based on the accumulated data since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic, the infectious period of [coronavirus] in symptomatic individuals may begin around 2 days before the onset of symptoms, and persists for about 7-10 days after the onset of symptoms,” the researchers wrote.
Patients may still test positive after two weeks, but tests could be picking up fragments of the virus that are no longer viable for spreading the infection, researchers said.
“Active viral replication drops quickly after the first week, and viable virus was not found after the second week of illness,” researchers wrote.
The researchers suggested that the findings could inform hospitals’ decisions about when to discharge patients.
In the US, many hospitals require patients test negative for the virus twice to be considered recovered from COVID-19.
Though the sample size was small, researchers are confident that their findings will be replicated in larger studies, NCID executive director Leo Yee-Sin told Singaporean newspaper the Strait Times.
“Scientifically, I’m very confident that there is enough evidence that the person is no longer infectious after 11 days,” she said.
by Anonymous | reply 250 | May 24, 2020 3:51 PM |
Georgia’s Push To Reopen Falls Flat As Consumers Stay Home
by Anonymous | reply 251 | May 24, 2020 3:51 PM |
Georgia Opens For Business, But Patrons Are Far And Few
by Anonymous | reply 252 | May 24, 2020 3:52 PM |
Missouri among states that conflated coronavirus test results, report says
The percentage of people coming up positive for the coronavirus in Missouri was artificially low because the state combined two kinds of testing results, according to a report.
The state was mixing the results of tests for the COVID-19 virus, which show active infection, with those from antibody testing, which demonstrate prior infection, the Kansas City Star reported.
State data as of Friday showed about 6.5 percent of tests were positive. But after separating the two types of tests, the data revealed 8.3 percent of tests for active infection were positive along with four percent of antibody tests, the newspaper reported. Missouri has had more than 11,700 confirmed coronavirus cases, and more than 600 deaths. At least seven other states have also conflated the testing results and the CDC has been lumping together results on one of its coronavirus trackers, The New York Times reported.
by Anonymous | reply 253 | May 24, 2020 3:52 PM |
Good! The black people in Atlanta are listening to their mayor.
by Anonymous | reply 254 | May 24, 2020 3:53 PM |
Hey man, did I tell ya ......
Hunter's in the basement right now working on a cure with my daughter-in-law. He told me when I asked him what they were doing down there.
Exciting, man !
by Anonymous | reply 255 | May 24, 2020 3:53 PM |
R219, Businesses need to figure this out so we’re not supporting every single business owner in America. There’s no reason for that.
And I agree, businesses should have at least a couple of months of padding. If you don’t, you’re not making it. Look at JC Penney’s. That’s a multi million dollar business. Obviously, if they can’t survive a couple of months on online shopping, they were done for no matter what. Same with restaurants. What are they paying for? Rent? If they’re closed, they’re not using electricity or gas, and if they lay off their workers, they’re getting unemployment.
A lot of them are open for delivery. They’re selling restaurant supplies out the back door. People want meat and flour and they have it. And you still can’t make it a couple of months? What was your business plan?
Same with nail and hair salons. Sell beauty supplies online or at curbside delivery at a discounted price and the workers can file for unemployment. They still have their wholesalers’ license. And probably have wholesale medical supply house sources for gowns, masks gloves and disinfectants. And they can’t think of any way to make money?
Sell handmade masks made by employees. There’s a garment making company in Los Angeles, Suay, who’s published a free mask pattern and is selling masks. They’re doing great.
This Republican idea of giving free money away to any huge corporation that wanted it, and doesn’t want to change their business model temporarily, is insane. The whole country is going bankrupt over that, and they’ll just open more branches in some country that’s still solvent. The money should go to a narrow group of businesses that’s tightly regulated. Not everyone who wants it. And companies should be pushed towards rolling with the punches, not just putting their hand out.
The impression I’m getting is half the companies in America aren’t profitable and after one month they’re through. Large and small. If that’s how badly you’re doing, you’re not making it. And you never were.
by Anonymous | reply 256 | May 24, 2020 3:54 PM |
Those Georgia articles are almost a month old.
by Anonymous | reply 257 | May 24, 2020 3:54 PM |
Opening up doesn’t mean recovery. Georgia proves it.
“President Trump’s theory of reopening businesses and other public venues rests on the assumption that government’s intervention to protect the public by instituting social distancing rules was forced upon an unwilling public; remove the rules and people will return, Trump insists.
When they return — presto! — the economy will bounce back, and he will get reelected.
None of that is accurate.”
by Anonymous | reply 258 | May 24, 2020 3:54 PM |
^WaPo article from today
by Anonymous | reply 259 | May 24, 2020 3:55 PM |
There are 7.8 billion people on Earth and we're at over half a billion documented COVID-19 infections.
by Anonymous | reply 260 | May 24, 2020 3:59 PM |
Texas back in business? Barely, y'all, as malls, restaurants empty
by Anonymous | reply 261 | May 24, 2020 4:00 PM |
🦇 It's not a contest r234.
There are no winners here.
by Anonymous | reply 262 | May 24, 2020 4:01 PM |
JCPenney has been going down the tubes for years.
I'm surprised it lasted this long.
by Anonymous | reply 263 | May 24, 2020 4:05 PM |
r245, so we should believe you and not the Oxford scientists?
by Anonymous | reply 264 | May 24, 2020 4:07 PM |
R260 where are you getting half a billion from? There are around 5.5 million cases.
by Anonymous | reply 266 | May 24, 2020 4:22 PM |
R242 For a second, I thought that was a pic of Jakey G, and wondered what Jake on a coffee run had to do with COVID-19. Anyway, can't they ship some of the proto-vaccine to Georgia for testing? Or India?
by Anonymous | reply 267 | May 24, 2020 4:23 PM |
Meanwhile, thousands of Hebrews flock to the sea without social distancing.
by Anonymous | reply 268 | May 24, 2020 4:30 PM |
Guardian- The Brazilian president, Jair Bolsonaro, was branded a “killer” by his opponents after he popped out for a Saturday night hot dog on the day a further 965 of his citizens were reported to have died from Covid-19, Tom Phillips reports. Insults hurled at Bolsonaro as he grappled with his fast food dinner included: “assassino” (killer), garbage and fascist. One female dissenter can be heard screaming: “Get to work, you bum!”
by Anonymous | reply 269 | May 24, 2020 4:31 PM |
“Get to work, you bum!”
Love it!
by Anonymous | reply 270 | May 24, 2020 4:51 PM |
ABC - Birx: 'Difficult to tell' if country may need to close again
Poor dear's run out of Aqua-Net.
by Anonymous | reply 271 | May 24, 2020 4:54 PM |
She is such a frumpy mess. It’s always seems like she’s got lint and crumbs all over her.
Her hair is constantly looking like a birds nest.
And you add in the cheap, dated knock-off scarfs from Chinatown and it’s just a disaster.
I bet she’s always late for everything and her car is filled to the brim with to-go trash.
by Anonymous | reply 272 | May 24, 2020 4:59 PM |
U.S. Death Toll From Coronavirus Nears 100,000 | MSNBC
by Anonymous | reply 273 | May 24, 2020 5:26 PM |
R243 Florida is fudging their numbers and I got that from a neighbor who had temporarily relocated there to take care of her father who was dying and developed an untreatable pneumonia, which happened a month or more ago. They're treating the elderly with outdated tools and not reporting cases. She was wanting to sell her home here (CT) until this last trip down there ( one of those types who does winters in FL).
As for myself, saw an eye dr as soon as I could get that over with bc there were points where masks had to come off. Aside from getting a cut I've rescheduled 4 times to fit the date of reopening, I'm going to just stay hunkered down as much as possible.
The amount of toxic arrogance around masks, freedom and the 2nd ammendment (I'm still not entirely sure how that factor weaseled its way into this, but conspiracy nutjobs had to keep themselves entertained I suppose), unnecessary chances are not worth it to me for a while longer.
by Anonymous | reply 274 | May 24, 2020 5:38 PM |
Two Missouri hairstylists may have exposed 147 people to coronavirus
by Anonymous | reply 275 | May 24, 2020 6:04 PM |
R274 I think 2nd amendment got into this because when businesses were ordered into lock-down, gun stores weren't on the list of "essential businesses" that were allowed to stay open. I don't know if that was everywhere, but it became a 2nd amendment issue in my state (California).
by Anonymous | reply 276 | May 24, 2020 6:08 PM |
omg, they say actresses are stupid but this is just retarded!!!!
Alyssa Milano trolled on Twitter for wearing crochet face mask
by Anonymous | reply 277 | May 24, 2020 6:09 PM |
omg, they say actresses are stupid but this is just retarded!!!!
Alyssa Milano trolled on Twitter for wearing crochet face mask
by Anonymous | reply 278 | May 24, 2020 6:09 PM |
The husband of the woman who leads the Reopen NC movement says people should be willing to kill, if necessary, to resist the “New World Order” and emergency orders imposed by state government to contain the coronavirus pandemic.
“But are we willing to kill people? Are we willing to lay down our lives?” he asked in a string of Facebook Live videos posted Friday, May 22. “We have to say, ‘Yes.’ We have to say, ‘Yes.’"
by Anonymous | reply 279 | May 24, 2020 6:22 PM |
So he admits he wants to kill people?!
by Anonymous | reply 280 | May 24, 2020 6:23 PM |
[quote]So he admits he wants to kill people?!
What other conclusion can anyone draw from their actions? There was even a placard at one of the rallies, "Sacrifice the weak".
by Anonymous | reply 281 | May 24, 2020 6:28 PM |
Those people are an inch away from terrorists. Just wait until they find someplace like Costco, where you have to wear a mask, and start shooting.
by Anonymous | reply 282 | May 24, 2020 6:45 PM |
99,031 bottles of beer on the wall, 99,031 bottles of beer ...
by Anonymous | reply 283 | May 24, 2020 6:54 PM |
Things could always be worse ..........
by Anonymous | reply 284 | May 24, 2020 7:17 PM |
I live in Trumpland in a true blue state (Oregon). They only wear masks at Safeway and, I hear, Walmart, nowhere else. No one is social distancing, and They are also still planning on holding a September festival that brings in 10s of thousands. Fun! I am staying at home. We stocked up on groceries before the Stay at Home was lifted for rural Oregon.
by Anonymous | reply 285 | May 24, 2020 7:32 PM |
Birx, in addition to how she looks, sounds like a ditzy Millenial. The Uptalk, "Little Girl" hesitancy, and nasal enunciation makes her sound like a fool.
by Anonymous | reply 286 | May 24, 2020 7:43 PM |
Milano's mask has a carbon filter. Nobody around here wears any kind of mask.
by Anonymous | reply 288 | May 24, 2020 7:57 PM |
I wonder how the Granny Vanderpump restaurants are doing. Any WEHO posters here? Is she serving takeout with Shaena as a carhop? Goat cheese balls to go? Ken in the kitchen with Jiggy furiously preparing pasta meals for Villa Blanca, Pump and Sur????
by Anonymous | reply 289 | May 24, 2020 7:57 PM |
R289 I drove by Pump yesterday and I didn't see any curbside takeout.
by Anonymous | reply 290 | May 24, 2020 8:21 PM |
R139 BBC News today is running a story on Turkey reporting that contact tracing is what's proving to work to slow the spread and get things under control in that country. .. Turkey already had an organization in place to do this due to how they've been using contact tracing to fight the spread of measles So when COVID hit they immediately switched gears and began doing it for that.
by Anonymous | reply 291 | May 24, 2020 9:45 PM |
Unfortunately, contact tracing is going to infringe on freedom as per Deplora-Twitter, so that's a no-go in the US.
by Anonymous | reply 292 | May 24, 2020 9:48 PM |
⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 24 - 6:10 PM EST
👨👨👦 NATIONAL BROTHERS DAY
🐌 NATIONAL ESCARGOT DAY
🌎 GLOBAL
CASES: 5,486,245
DEATHS: 346,225
CRITICAL: 53,197
🇺🇸 UNITED STATES
CASES: 1,684,020
DEATHS: 99,243
CRITICAL: 17,134
📊 STATS: WORLDOMETER.COM
🎇 CELEBRATE SAFELY !
by Anonymous | reply 293 | May 24, 2020 10:07 PM |
In today's edition of the New York Times, the name of every single Covid19 victim who passed away in the United States was published.
by Anonymous | reply 294 | May 24, 2020 10:34 PM |
Interesting query, r220. Possibly because we simply don't study the continent in school (except for a unit on "Ancient Egypt").
And possibly because "African-American" is the common nomenclature, as opposed to, say, Nigerian-American, Liberian-American, Congolese-American, etc.
by Anonymous | reply 295 | May 24, 2020 10:38 PM |
[quote]In today's edition of the New York Times, the name of every single Covid19 victim who passed away in the United States was published.
No, they listed 1,000 of the 100,000 victims, culled from obituaries published across the country.
by Anonymous | reply 296 | May 24, 2020 11:01 PM |
100,00 - That's a lot of people.
by Anonymous | reply 297 | May 25, 2020 12:09 AM |
🙊 Oops !
I'm sorry, man.
by Anonymous | reply 298 | May 25, 2020 12:20 AM |
R276 I believe that was also the case in my state but if you had the hours for a permit you've most likely got the gun, and inexperienced, untrained consumers don't qualify for ownership or purchase anyway. It's like me complaining that I cant buy a car and get it road legal at the age of 12.
Not to mention if it comes to it, the government has access to drones and chemical nerve agents. The guns are really only good for killing other people who are not as armed as 'you'.
by Anonymous | reply 299 | May 25, 2020 12:24 AM |
It will be rather fitting when we hit 100,000 dead on Memorial Day. It would be even more fitting if the 100,000th death was Trump.
by Anonymous | reply 300 | May 25, 2020 1:00 AM |
I feel like the universe is sending a message with 100K deaths on Memorial Day. That message is a giant wake up for voting out Trump. Only fanatics embrace death of their own families and friends.
by Anonymous | reply 301 | May 25, 2020 1:10 AM |
I get really pissed off with the pundits and media people who sit in their fucking parallel universe and act like it's business as usual. Do they really think we're fucking stupid? This maniac has done terrible things to this country. But nothing so heinous as the way he deliberately lie and mislead his country about the Pandemic. He is a fucking criminal. A mass murder. In case the media hasn't noticed more than 40 Million people are unemployed. more than 100,000 have died and almost 1 .5 million have been stricken with a disease. All that fucker had to do was begin contact tracing and testing in fucking February and we could have avoided the deaths of thousands. He is rotten. And the Media is worried about some gaffe Biden made in a radio interview with an asshole? Really? There is no way this election should even be close. But eh media keeps propping Trump up and they are ignorant pieces of shit.
by Anonymous | reply 302 | May 25, 2020 1:18 AM |
R286, someone needs to tell her she is not in a college sorority and to stop talking like she thinks she’s the cool girl on campus.
It’s pitiful.
by Anonymous | reply 303 | May 25, 2020 1:47 AM |
R302 So true. .. Reminds me of the following ....
by Anonymous | reply 304 | May 25, 2020 2:08 AM |
I went to the store Thursday and while most people were wearing masks, about half of them were just covering their mouths not their noses. I don't know if that is some sort of protest or just stupidity.
by Anonymous | reply 305 | May 25, 2020 2:41 AM |
R305, I think it’s Trumpers. If someone has trouble breathing through a mask, even a bandanna is acceptable, and if you can’t breathe through that you need to be in the hospital.
by Anonymous | reply 306 | May 25, 2020 3:02 AM |
On the contrary, our country is full of mouth-breathers.
by Anonymous | reply 307 | May 25, 2020 3:26 AM |
Add to the metaphor, R300, with Trump at his Virgina club perfecting his putt as the 100,000th death tolls.
by Anonymous | reply 308 | May 25, 2020 4:40 AM |
[quote]This maniac has done terrible things to this country. But nothing so heinous as the way he deliberately lie and mislead his country about the Pandemic
I doubt we know half of what he has done.
by Anonymous | reply 309 | May 25, 2020 4:41 AM |
Two-time Tony winner Kelli O'Hara made this beautiful tribute to honor those lost this year to Covid-19. A fitting memorial for Memorial Day weekend.
by Anonymous | reply 310 | May 25, 2020 5:29 AM |
[quote]"reports of unusual or aggressive rodent behaviour" due to a decrease in food available, "especially in dense commercial areas".
Late stage capitalism.
by Anonymous | reply 311 | May 25, 2020 5:59 AM |
First Murder Hornets.
Now Murder Rats.
by Anonymous | reply 312 | May 25, 2020 6:08 AM |
2019 NYC: New York City is so safe now! It's not the crime-ridden shit pit it was in the '70s!
1975 NYC: At least we didn't have to worry about getting mugged by rats.
by Anonymous | reply 313 | May 25, 2020 6:12 AM |
Nature bites back, r312, with the virus on its side.
by Anonymous | reply 314 | May 25, 2020 6:17 AM |
It is curious that the US is banning travel from Brazil while continuing to allow flights from Russia even though their cases are also exploding.
by Anonymous | reply 315 | May 25, 2020 7:21 AM |
Both Russia and Brazil should ban Americans since the USA is #1 in infections.
by Anonymous | reply 316 | May 25, 2020 7:39 AM |
R235, don’t forget clean! Japan is a amazingly clean country. They were also one of the first countries to close the schools.
by Anonymous | reply 317 | May 25, 2020 9:07 AM |
How the coronavirus spreads in those everyday places we visit.
by Anonymous | reply 318 | May 25, 2020 12:43 PM |
Dear NYCTechie it was the Roche Cobas 6800 PCR test. The results were negative as expected.
by Anonymous | reply 319 | May 25, 2020 1:19 PM |
R312, I told ya I was hard-core!
by Anonymous | reply 320 | May 25, 2020 1:53 PM |
Genome sequence study in Israel estimates that between 1-10% of infected individuals were responsible for 80% of secondary infections. "Transmission dynamics were driven by an extremely high level of viral superspreading ... suggesting that focused measures to reduce contacts of select individuals/social events could dramatically mitigate viral spread."
by Anonymous | reply 321 | May 25, 2020 2:42 PM |
⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 25 - 10:40 AM EST
🎉 HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY
👥 NATIONAL MISSING CHILDREN'S DAY
🍷 NATIONAL WINE DAY
🌎 GLOBAL
CASES: 5,532,121
DEATHS: 347,245
CRITICAL: 53,218
🇺🇸 UNITED STATES
CASES: 1,689,581
DEATHS: 99,381
CRITICAL: 17,351
📊 STATS @ WORLDOMETER.COM
by Anonymous | reply 322 | May 25, 2020 2:43 PM |
I know it's a weekend and a holiday weekend at that, but we should be around 105k with the way things have been going. The last 4 days we've barely moved from 97k. Is the government paying Johns Hopkins and Worldometer to not officially post 100k until Memorial Day is over?
by Anonymous | reply 323 | May 25, 2020 2:46 PM |
Reporting is always sluggish over the weekend, this being a holiday weekend makes it worse. We'll be over 100,000 deaths tomorrow.
by Anonymous | reply 324 | May 25, 2020 2:49 PM |
What's the obsession about setting a new death record today ?
Memorial Day is about remembering our Fallen Heroes who died in service to our country.
🗽 Let's keep today reserved for those who have given so much, and their families who still endure the loss.
by Anonymous | reply 325 | May 25, 2020 2:54 PM |
Gee...what happened? I thought it wasn't supposed to be this way....
by Anonymous | reply 326 | May 25, 2020 2:55 PM |
I look at the stats and shake my head in deep sadness but let’s not make it into a reality show or numbers contest. It’s Trump’s Virus now. Need to hang this around his neck. The virus kills and he supports it.
by Anonymous | reply 327 | May 25, 2020 3:04 PM |
Making it into a contest is fun.
by Anonymous | reply 328 | May 25, 2020 3:08 PM |
[quote]It’s Trump’s Virus now.
Can we blame him too?
by Anonymous | reply 329 | May 25, 2020 3:15 PM |
That's great news ElderLez! Good luck with your procedure.
by Anonymous | reply 330 | May 25, 2020 3:19 PM |
Where are all the PSAs declaring that wearing a mask is our patriotic duty? That young Americans have the power (and responsibility) to keep their parents and grandparents alive? That tough times require sacrifice from us all?
The president can't (or won't) articulate it but surely some ad agencies can produce effective spots?
by Anonymous | reply 331 | May 25, 2020 3:20 PM |
R327, but it IS a reality show/game show. It's what happens when a Reality Show/Game show host is elected POTUS.
by Anonymous | reply 332 | May 25, 2020 3:22 PM |
R302, Tell that to Chris Hayes, who still thinks that Bernie has a shot at being the nominee.
by Anonymous | reply 333 | May 25, 2020 3:27 PM |
British man loses 70 pounds during six-week coronavirus battle
An obese British man says he unexpectedly has a new lease of life after losing a stunning 70 pounds during a six-week near-death battle with the coronavirus.
Kim Wai Li, 43, first fell ill from the virus on March 12 — and spent almost two weeks in a medically induced coma before finally leaving a London hospital on April 22.
He went in weighing 210 pounds at just 5-foot-6 — but was 140 pounds by the time he finally made it home. His waist also dropped four inches.
“I didn’t recognize myself in the mirror when I saw how much weight I’d lost,” Li told UK agency Triangle News, recalling the shock on the faces of his wife and two young kids when they finally saw him.
His battle with the bug initially left him too weak to shower or even feed himself. But now he is getting stronger, he appreciates the fresh start his staggering weight loss is offering.
Li blames his obesity for getting hit so hard by the contagion in the first place — along with causing the high blood pressure that vanished along with the weight.
“I’m determined to keep my weight where it is. It’s a second lease of life,” he told the UK agency. “I was on pills for my blood pressure when I went in and it’s now within normal limits.”
“How else can you take it? You can either sit there and think ‘Wow that was a really depressing episode of my life’ and let it affect you or take it for what it is — that you’ve been very, very lucky,” he said.
Kim Wai’s wife of five years, Ceri, 38, said she barely recognized her husband when he first returned to their home in south London.
“There’s no more junk food for him,” she said. “He’s got a second chance. It’s a wake-up call.”
by Anonymous | reply 335 | May 25, 2020 4:24 PM |
Hundreds of public companies keep coronavirus loans from federal program
Hundreds of publicly traded companies appear to be keeping government-backed loans meant to help small businesses weather the coronavirus crisis.
Only 68 of the 424 public firms that disclosed receiving $1.3 billion in loans from the federal Paycheck Protection Program had pledged to return them as of early Monday morning, according to regulatory filings compiled by data-analysis company FactSquared.
That suggests 356, or roughly 84 percent, of those companies are holding onto the money amid the Trump administration’s pledge to crack down on abuse of the $659 billion program. Officials gave firms until May 18 to repay loans without facing further scrutiny.
Some 76 of those companies had enough cash and cash equivalents on hand to cover operating expenses until at least June, a Reuters analysis found.
The firms keeping loans include upscale restaurant operator ONE Group Hospitality, which got $18.3 million from the pool of money meant to help small businesses cover payroll and overhead costs, FactSquared’s database showed. There’s also Hallador Energy, a coal firm that got $10 million, and high-end hotel company Sotherly Hotels, which got nearly $10.4 million, according to the data.
Those are likely to get a closer look from the US Small Business Administration, which has pledged to review all Paycheck Protection Program loans larger than $2 million to ensure the rules were followed. The feds will try to get outstanding loan balances back from companies that they find didn’t actually need the funds to keep operating amid the pandemic, according to officials.
But the SBA won’t scrutinize firms that borrowed less than $2 million because they’re “generally less likely to have had access to adequate sources of liquidity in the current economic environment,” officials have said.
That indicates many public companies like Wilhelmina International — the big-name modeling agency that snagged just under $2 million in loans — will effectively get a free pass.
The Paycheck Protection Program drew fire for initially helping big companies such as Shake Shack and Ruth’s Chris Steak House while struggling small businesses were left out in the cold after its initial $349 billion budget ran out in two weeks. Those two restaurant chains have since returned their loans.
But the second round of $310 billion has lasted longer, with $135.7 billion still available as of May 19, according to the SBA. The average loan size as of last week was $118,000, though the majority of those distributed have been for $50,000 or less, the agency said.
by Anonymous | reply 336 | May 25, 2020 4:26 PM |
Dutch government finds second mink-to-human coronavirus transmission
The Dutch agriculture ministry on Monday said it had found what it believes to be a second case of a human becoming infected with the new coronavirus after coming in contact with a mink that had the virus.
In a letter to parliament, minister Carola Schouten repeated that the country’s National Institute for Health believes the risk of animal-to-human transmission of the virus outside the farms on which they are kept is “negligible.”
On April 26, the Dutch government reported mink on a farm in the south of the country had been found to have the disease, prompting a wider investigation of such farms, where mink are bred for their fur. Last week the government reported its first suspected case of mink-to-human transmission.
by Anonymous | reply 337 | May 25, 2020 4:28 PM |
Unfortunately for PETA, this just means they'll cull a bunch of minks and make coats.
by Anonymous | reply 338 | May 25, 2020 4:40 PM |
Coronavirus and AYDS are great for dropping the pounds, r335!
by Anonymous | reply 339 | May 25, 2020 4:48 PM |
For my region in southeastern PA that is composed of 6 counties, the infections per day has dropped from 1000 at peak in early May to 300 today.
by Anonymous | reply 340 | May 25, 2020 4:52 PM |
Trump has lost the support of senior women so it appears over for him. All this attacking and pushing people to kill themselves seems like the work of a lunatic, definitely not a politician who is fighting for his survival. He’s killing himself which is fine with most.
by Anonymous | reply 341 | May 25, 2020 5:35 PM |
Bloomberg:
Trump Visits Baltimore, Dismissing Mayor’s Concerns About Virus
by Anonymous | reply 342 | May 25, 2020 5:52 PM |
R340. Happy for you! But it is the weekend and a big holiday weekend at that. Unfortunately, I think there will be significant increases in cases and deaths across the country in the coming days
by Anonymous | reply 343 | May 25, 2020 6:10 PM |
R341! True, let Trump be Trump. He just keeps hurting himself and his supporters. Next up - R parents who don't want their kids/teachers to get sick because Trump says schools "must reopen ASAP!"
by Anonymous | reply 344 | May 25, 2020 6:18 PM |
Spain is determined to open their borders to foreign tourists in July "by any means possible". Curiously, no mention about the discrepancy between excess deaths and reported Covid-19 deaths. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Sadly, this is where we are at right now
Guardian- Health authorities in Spain have revised downward the country’s death toll from the coronavirus by nearly 2,000, bringing the total number of deaths recorded to 26,834, AFP reports. A new system of gathering data had allowed them to identify cases that were counted twice and exclude deaths wrongly attributed to the virus, said Fernando Simon, the health ministry’s emergencies coordinator. “A variation of 1,900, that’s a lot,” he added. “We are trying to check that it’s correct, but these are the figures that we have at the moment.” The health ministry, which gathers data from regional health authorities, also revised downwards the number of confirmed cases of coronavirus, from the 235,772 announced on Sunday to 235,400.
by Anonymous | reply 345 | May 25, 2020 6:25 PM |
[quote]The virus kills and he supports it.
True. But then he's never had Americans' best interests in mind, has he?
by Anonymous | reply 346 | May 25, 2020 7:20 PM |
[quote]Spain is determined to open their borders to foreign tourists in July "by any means possible".
Italy is opening its borders to International travel in June.
No 14 day quarantine required.
by Anonymous | reply 347 | May 25, 2020 7:53 PM |
Certainly going to be an interesting summer with travel resuming. Can't wait to see how everything turns out.
by Anonymous | reply 348 | May 25, 2020 8:45 PM |
The photo at R347 ... Maybe the Catholic Church can switch from blessing the congregants with incense to spraying them with Holy Disinfectant?
by Anonymous | reply 349 | May 25, 2020 8:47 PM |
S.F. Chronicle:
Newsom issues plan for places of worship in California to reopen at limited capacity
by Anonymous | reply 350 | May 25, 2020 8:47 PM |
[quote]Newsom issues plan for places of worship in California to reopen at limited capacity
Even if they aren't doing this in response to Trump's blabber, I really wish the governors would not even give the impression they are responding to the piece of shit.
by Anonymous | reply 351 | May 25, 2020 8:52 PM |
[quote]Newsom issues plan for places of worship in California to reopen at limited capacity
This, as a COVID cluster is traced to a Northern California church service:
Nine cases of COVID-19, the infection caused by the coronavirus, are now linked to the May 10 service held by the Assembly of God in the Mendocino County city of Redwood Valley. The service was livestreamed to congregants and included singing, county public health officials said today.
by Anonymous | reply 352 | May 25, 2020 8:57 PM |
[quote] Can't wait to see how everything turns out.
I'm going to take a wild guess that Americans and British will go right back to flocking to Italy and Spain in droves, milling about in crowds, and behaving like idiots, having learned absolutely nothing from this entire experience.
I feel really sorry for the Italians who have to work at the tourist spots.
by Anonymous | reply 353 | May 25, 2020 9:01 PM |
Churches are cesspools of ignorance, even more so than usual now.
by Anonymous | reply 354 | May 25, 2020 9:01 PM |
Church services are already happening in Europe.
by Anonymous | reply 355 | May 25, 2020 9:05 PM |
[quote]I feel really sorry for the Italians who have to work at the tourist spots.
The Italians are thrilled that tourists can come back.
by Anonymous | reply 356 | May 25, 2020 9:08 PM |
[quote]I'm going to take a wild guess that Americans and British will go right back to flocking to Italy and Spain in droves, milling about in crowds, and behaving like idiots, having learned absolutely nothing from this entire experience.
And what do you think, the Italians are sitting home?
Torino Italy May 25th
by Anonymous | reply 357 | May 25, 2020 9:14 PM |
The title of this thread is definitely appropriate in more ways than one. For sure, the focus in the US now is the Memorial Day holiday. Deaths are taking a back seat...for now. Despite the euphoria, the reporting lags, and the "fixes" in the red states, I haven't gone anywhere. I am still here, better and stronger than before. See you tomorrow and beyond.
by Anonymous | reply 358 | May 25, 2020 9:20 PM |
Italy is so hot in the summer that I think the virus will die out from the heat. It may come back in the fall, but things should be fine for a few months.
by Anonymous | reply 359 | May 25, 2020 9:23 PM |
Which flavor of gelato will I choose when I go to Italy this summer? I love pistachio, frutti di bosco, pineapple.
by Anonymous | reply 360 | May 25, 2020 9:29 PM |
No R359
by Anonymous | reply 361 | May 25, 2020 9:29 PM |
Memorial Day 2020: When thousands of ignorant Americans think "sacrifice" means staying home; "freedom" means not wearing a mask to avoid infecting other Americans with a deadly virus; and "liberty" is getting a haircut.
Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
How so sadly we failed from Corona's first breaking....
by Anonymous | reply 363 | May 25, 2020 9:31 PM |
R357 All the more reason to stay the fuck away.
by Anonymous | reply 364 | May 25, 2020 9:32 PM |
By Mid June, around June 15th we should be at 125,000....and that's an undercount.
by Anonymous | reply 365 | May 25, 2020 9:32 PM |
In the UK all non-essential retail shops can open on June 15th.
by Anonymous | reply 366 | May 25, 2020 9:37 PM |
Sadly, we are all doomed
by Anonymous | reply 367 | May 25, 2020 9:43 PM |
[quote]Unfortunately for PETA, this just means they'll cull a bunch of minks and make coats.
That's what the farms are for anyway. My friend and her husband worked on one in Washington last year.
by Anonymous | reply 369 | May 25, 2020 10:00 PM |
(R360) I love gelato from Italy. Whenever I visit, I eat it for after lunch and dinner!!!
I prefer melon. It tastes just like the fruit.
by Anonymous | reply 370 | May 25, 2020 10:08 PM |
[quote]I know it's a weekend and a holiday weekend at that, but we should be around 105k with the way things have been going. The last 4 days we've barely moved from 97k. Is the government paying Johns Hopkins and Worldometer to not officially post 100k until Memorial Day is over?
It's like a car odometer built before 1991. The count will max out at 99,999 and restart at 00000.
by Anonymous | reply 371 | May 25, 2020 10:30 PM |
Missouri Hair Salon Customer: Stylist With COVID-19 ‘Should Have Stayed home’ | MSNBC
by Anonymous | reply 372 | May 25, 2020 10:36 PM |
Won’t we know by the end of June whether people flocking in crowds this weekend will lead to mass infections? From the news it looks like there are spreading parties happening all over the USA.
by Anonymous | reply 373 | May 25, 2020 11:09 PM |
We'll know by the middle of June. Look at the hospitalization and death rates, being aware that the fuckers in the red states are lying. The infection rate means nothing since testing is all over the place.
by Anonymous | reply 374 | May 25, 2020 11:21 PM |
Cases exploding in Tennessee already.
by Anonymous | reply 375 | May 25, 2020 11:42 PM |
[quote]Missouri Hair Salon Customer: Stylist With COVID-19 ‘Should Have Stayed home’
Why didn't YOU stay home, perpetual victim customer? There may have been asymptomatic spreaders there, even if that stylist had taken the day off. Nobody can guarantee a pathogen-free environment for you, especially this early.
by Anonymous | reply 376 | May 25, 2020 11:43 PM |
Brazil has over 15,000 new covid cases in just the last 24 hours. Ye gods!
by Anonymous | reply 377 | May 25, 2020 11:56 PM |
⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 25 - 8:00 PM EST
🎇 HAPPY MEMORIAL DAY !
👥 NATIONAL MISSING CHILDREN'S DAY
🍷 NATIONAL WINE DAY
🌎GLOBAL
CASES: 5,582,381
DEATHS: 347,564
CRITICAL: 53,167
🇺🇸 UNITED STATES
CASES: 1,706,158
DEATHS: 99,804
CRITICAL: 17,114
📊 STATS @ WORLDOMETER.COM
😷 DON'T FORGET !
by Anonymous | reply 378 | May 26, 2020 12:11 AM |
[quote] Italy is so hot in the summer that I think the virus will die out from the heat. I
It's already in the 90s in India, and things don't look to be slowing there.
by Anonymous | reply 379 | May 26, 2020 12:54 AM |
In another year you can explain weather temperature fluctuations vs viral survival patterns.
Right now we know almost nothing.
by Anonymous | reply 380 | May 26, 2020 1:51 AM |
CNN: More than half of states investigating cases of pediatric inflammatory syndrome associated with COVID-19.
by Anonymous | reply 381 | May 26, 2020 2:01 AM |
[quote] Texas bars opening today! Viva la Texas. There are times we get it right. It’s been 95 degrees for weeks and we have had less than 500 cases despite abundant testing after closing in March - reopening is right and fair. It’s not NYC - we have plenty of space to have 25% capacity limits, outdoor seating and social distancing.
In Texas, the ACCURATE number of deaths from corona virus is more than 1530 - not "less than 500." This is the THIRD time I've seen this holiday weekend of idiots just making up a number, with all too many deplorables eager to lap it up. Stop fucking around with statistics that affect other peoples lives, R5.
by Anonymous | reply 382 | May 26, 2020 2:26 AM |
🤓 [bold] Good Luck, Texas.
Remember The Alamo, Round Two !
by Anonymous | reply 384 | May 26, 2020 2:53 AM |
He looks ridiculous in those Ray-Ban Aviator shades. They were a thing in 1972. Someone should tell him that was 48 years ago. He's been wearing them all through the campaign and grinning every time he puts them on. Oh, yeah. He's a stud. NOT.
by Anonymous | reply 386 | May 26, 2020 3:51 AM |
Ray Ban aviators are still a thing, actually. They’re classics.
by Anonymous | reply 387 | May 26, 2020 4:37 AM |
Jill's Memorial Day outfit was FABULOUS. Not many women in their 60s can do horizontal stripes around the midsection.
by Anonymous | reply 388 | May 26, 2020 4:52 AM |
Brit Hume of Fox News basically mocks Biden for wearing a mask:
[quote] This might help explain why Trump doesn’t like to wear a mask in public. Biden today.
by Anonymous | reply 389 | May 26, 2020 7:52 AM |
Brit Hume is another outdated relic from the past.
by Anonymous | reply 390 | May 26, 2020 10:48 AM |
Right, R387. But there are no aviator glasses in the article you linked and no 77 year old men, either.
In any event, the black glasses and the black mask don't photograph well. And his appearance yesterday was a photo op. He should have paid more attention to his presentation. Had he done so, he might have avoided all this foolishness in the press.
by Anonymous | reply 392 | May 26, 2020 12:09 PM |
Brit Hume is a wise and compassionate man. Just ask his son. Oh, wait.....
by Anonymous | reply 393 | May 26, 2020 12:13 PM |
R392, Aviators are still cool, and the 70s are in style again.
[quote] all this foolishness in the press.
You mean made up bullshit?
by Anonymous | reply 394 | May 26, 2020 12:16 PM |
Aviators have never been "cool" on 77 year old men.
by Anonymous | reply 395 | May 26, 2020 12:23 PM |
R386, Too bad for you! They're Joe's symbol now!
by Anonymous | reply 396 | May 26, 2020 12:36 PM |
R386, Too bad for you! They're Joe's symbol now!
by Anonymous | reply 397 | May 26, 2020 12:36 PM |
It's kind of a trademark for Biden, I like it personally. You know Memorial Day is to pay respect for our service members who passed defending our country - not the BS wars that followed WW2 IMHO - so wearing a black is appropriate.
by Anonymous | reply 398 | May 26, 2020 12:36 PM |
R386, Too bad for you! They're Joe's symbol now!
by Anonymous | reply 399 | May 26, 2020 12:36 PM |
I hope they become Joe's symbol now!
by Anonymous | reply 400 | May 26, 2020 12:41 PM |
He looks fine. It's Trump who looks like he's wearing a feedbag.
by Anonymous | reply 401 | May 26, 2020 12:44 PM |
Mike Pence, April 24: “I think honestly, if you look at the trends today, that I think by Memorial Day weekend we will have this coronavirus epidemic behind us.”
by Anonymous | reply 402 | May 26, 2020 1:03 PM |
"Honestly" is a word that Mike Pence should never use. It's just laughable when he does.
by Anonymous | reply 403 | May 26, 2020 1:36 PM |
Reuters: Brazil’s daily coronavirus deaths were higher than fatalities in the United States for the first time over the last 24 hours, according to the country’s Health Ministry. Brazil registered 807 deaths over the last 24 hours, whereas 620 died in the United States.
by Anonymous | reply 404 | May 26, 2020 1:55 PM |
CNN reporter debunks Alabama beachgoers' Covid 19 theories
by Anonymous | reply 405 | May 26, 2020 1:58 PM |
⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 26 - 10:10 AM EST
🚀 SALLY RIDE DAY
🦇 WORLD DRACULA DAY
🌎 GLOBAL
CASES: 5,618,141
DEATHS: 348,545
CRITICAL: 53,131
🇺🇸 UNITED STATES
CASES: 1,708,488
DEATHS: 99,847
CRITICAL: 17,116
📊 STATS @ WORLDOMETER.COM
by Anonymous | reply 406 | May 26, 2020 2:09 PM |
From the article at R387:
“1930s:
“Aviators were originally crafted in 1936 to reduce visual distractions for pilots in the sky, mitigating the harsh blue and white light they are exposed to. The lenses are large, and slightly convex, covering and protecting the pilot’s eyes. This style was one of the first types of sunglasses to become a fashion trend, transitioning from practical military gear to a style sold commercially. Today, they are still immensely popular, a style of retro sunglasses for men that truly does suit anyone.”
If you open the picture at the link, the man on the left is wearing aviators.
Seriously, why do trolls do this? Just make up shit, misrepresent and lie about statistics, links and facts?
Yesterday someone called out a troll who completely pulled a number out of his ass about state Coronavirus cases. He posted a number that was ten times smaller than reality and claimed it as fact.
Follow the links people post and make up your own mind about what it says.
by Anonymous | reply 407 | May 26, 2020 2:17 PM |
R404: There is a weekend/holiday lag for USA reporting, but yeah, things are bad in Brazil.
by Anonymous | reply 408 | May 26, 2020 2:19 PM |
I thought Joe & his wife looked sharp. He’s trim and was dressed appropriately, UNLIKE the unkempt, untailored Tub o lard president who has major swaying issues when attempting to stand still.
by Anonymous | reply 409 | May 26, 2020 2:21 PM |
I cannot believe all those European countries planning to open their borders up to each other. Watch for a massive second wave in Europe (except for Iceland) and the US, Iran and any other countries that are lifting lockdown too early and who are unable to trace, test and contain.
by Anonymous | reply 410 | May 26, 2020 2:23 PM |
The numbers dropped because of the social distancing and mask rules, not because the virus is weakening or going away. You remove the safeguards that lowered the numbers, the virus will infect with a vengeance and those numbers will go up again. I don't get why counties, states, countries and people don't get this.
by Anonymous | reply 411 | May 26, 2020 2:31 PM |
[quote]I don't get why counties, states, countries and people don't get this.
I think they do. The unspoken truth is that they've made the determination that losing a certain percentage of their populations is preferable to further economic damage.
by Anonymous | reply 412 | May 26, 2020 2:37 PM |
Yep, r412. But of course they really can't say that out loud.
by Anonymous | reply 413 | May 26, 2020 2:42 PM |
to be honest, I saw pic of trump golfing over the holiday weekend and I thought he lost a bit of weight, his belly isn't as big unless he's wearing looser clothing...he's still fat though....
by Anonymous | reply 414 | May 26, 2020 2:44 PM |
R411 i believe if states:businesses are open then they can stop paying unemployment benefits too.
by Anonymous | reply 415 | May 26, 2020 2:46 PM |
R412, Which percentage perforce will include medical staff, educators, transportation workers, Armed Forces personnel, and sundry other "human capital stock" required to maintain societies and their economies.
Then there are those who will die because they simply must go on their cruise, or go to church, or gamble in the casino, or attend a concert, or eat inside a restaurant, etc. Yes, all fine and dandy ways to forget we are mortal.....until they aren't, because we are.
by Anonymous | reply 416 | May 26, 2020 2:49 PM |
R414, Either not he, or from the past.
Compare to his known Memorial Day appearance.
by Anonymous | reply 417 | May 26, 2020 2:51 PM |
[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]
by Anonymous | reply 418 | May 26, 2020 3:39 PM |
Is there no dignity in death, r418?
by Anonymous | reply 419 | May 26, 2020 4:14 PM |
WaPo: 11,000 COVID cases are linked to three meat processors: Tyson Foods, Smithfield Foods and JBS.
"Meat companies have spent hundreds of millions of dollars on measures such as protective gear, paid leave and ventilation systems since they were forced to shut dozens of plants that were among the top coronavirus hot spots outside urban areas. But the industry has still experienced a surge in cases, and some companies say they are limited in just how much they can keep workers separated from each other.
"Meat supplies in grocery stores could shrink as much as 35 percent, prices could spike 20 percent and the impact could become even more acute later this year as the knock-on effects on the U.S. agriculture supply chain are felt."
by Anonymous | reply 420 | May 26, 2020 4:18 PM |
Any updates on the Swedish goal of achieving herd immunity? I am niether for or again the Sweden model. I'm just interested in how it is working out. The last article I read implied they were far from the 60% infection rate a country needs to get herd immunity. Meanwhile, their deaths per 100,000 number is getting worse.
by Anonymous | reply 421 | May 26, 2020 4:20 PM |
No news beyond last week's revelation that just 7.3% of Stockholm residents had developed antibodies.
“I think herd immunity is a long way off, if we ever reach it,” Björn Olsen, a professor of infectious medicine at Sweden's Uppsala University, told Reuters after the release of the antibody findings.
by Anonymous | reply 422 | May 26, 2020 4:28 PM |
[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]
by Anonymous | reply 424 | May 26, 2020 4:31 PM |
The next most susceptible animal to humans were pangolins, a small scaly animal found in many Chinese wet markets, but a coronavirus that affects its specials is only 90 per cent similar to SARS-CoV-2.
Professor Petrovsky said while it was possible the wrong bat met the wrong pangolin 'thereby conferring the bat CoV with high binding for both pangolin and human ACE2' - this was statistically improbable.
'The probability of one pangolin creating the virus and that then comes into close contact with a human to infect them is ridiculously low,' he said.
'We would expect it would have to be in lots of infected pangolins and we've not found any.'
Such pangolins would be an 'intermediate host' - a species that caught it from the originators of the virus and gave it to humans.
An example of this is Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) that began with bats who infected camels who then pass it on to humans by spitting on them
Not only have researchers not found an intermediate host for COVID-19, they haven't even found the disease rife in any animal species - not even the leading suspected culprit, in bats.
Professor Petrovsky said animals didn't move between communities as much as humans so it was possible we just haven't 'found the right bat cave' yet. Until that happens, the Wuhan lab theory had to be considered, he said.
'Viruses don't come out of nowhere, so we have to look harder to find the natural source, or we need to investigate further to find the unnatural source,' he said.
Richard Ebright, one of the world's top biosecurity experts, told the Mail on Sunday that the odds of COVID-19 containing such unusual features and occurring naturally were 'possible – but improbable'.
The professor of chemical biology at Rutgers University, in New Jersey, said scientists at the WIV were creating chimeric coronaviruses (new hybrid micro-organisms) and seeking funding to test their ability to infect human cells while using procedures that leave no sign of human manipulation.
China has stubbornly resisted calls for an inquiry as it is accused of covering up the severity of the epidemic, and only agreed to a watered-down version of Mr Morrison's proposal last week.
Professor Petrovsky argued the investigation should have begun months ago to give it the best chance of gathering evidence that may now be lost for good.
He said his research added to a body of 'circumstantial evidence' and coincidences, but was nowhere near proving the that the WIV had anything to do with the pandemic.
'There's no smoking gun inside the virus as they evolve and pick up genetic material from everywhere, just studying the virus itself won't tell us anything further,' he said.
'I don't think we'll have definitive proof either way, so we have to investigate to determine what is more probable.
'No one can say a laboratory leak is not a possibility.'
Professor Petrovsky claimed scientists were reluctant to discuss the possibility of botched lab experiments or leaks since any backlash could lead to research restrictions and threaten crucial research.
by Anonymous | reply 425 | May 26, 2020 4:32 PM |
ABC:
Coronavirus government response updates: Trump tweets states 'should open up ASAP' as death toll nears 100,000
by Anonymous | reply 426 | May 26, 2020 4:35 PM |
Watch out for a Tweet storm from Trump tonight. He is going to throw everybody under the bus
by Anonymous | reply 427 | May 26, 2020 4:35 PM |
AFP news agency @AFP · 4h #BREAKING President Putin says Russia has 'passed peak' of #coronavirus infections
by Anonymous | reply 428 | May 26, 2020 4:38 PM |
Alex Macheras @AlexInAir · 11h Breaking: Latin America’s largest airline LATAM, files for bankruptcy — the largest airline to do so in #COVID19 pandemic
• The airline has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in US, also for its affiliates in Chile, Peru, Colombia & Ecuador.
by Anonymous | reply 429 | May 26, 2020 4:39 PM |
Sure, Vlad.
by Anonymous | reply 430 | May 26, 2020 4:39 PM |
COVID-19: Canada makes a deal to produce 10 million face masks Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced that Canada has signed a contract with General Motors to make 10 million face masks.
by Anonymous | reply 431 | May 26, 2020 4:41 PM |
[quote] Any updates on the Swedish goal of achieving herd immunity?
Anders Tegnell, chief epidemiologist at Sweden's Public Health Agency, has commented on the herd immunity goal, set at about 60%.
[quote] "No that will not happen," Tegnell said Monday in an email to NPR. "Current investigations show different numbers, but (Stockholm's immunity rate) is likely lower (than 30%). As you might be aware, there is a problem with measuring immunity for this virus."
[quote] Sweden's Public Health Agency last week released the initial findings of an ongoing antibodies study that showed that 7.3% of people in Stockholm had developed antibodies against COVID-19 by late April. Tegnell later described the study's figure as a "bit lower than we'd thought," adding that the findings represented a snapshot of the situation some weeks ago and he believed that by now "a little more than 20%" of Stockholm's population should have contracted the virus.
[quote] The study's results have provided further fuel for the critics of the Swedish approach. With 39.57 deaths per 100,000, Sweden's mortality rate is not only higher than that of the U.S. (30.02 deaths per 100,000) but also exponentially higher than those of its neighbors Norway (4.42 per 100,000) and Finland (5.58 per 100,000), which both enacted strict lockdown measures, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University....
[quote] Earlier this month, Tegnell admitted he is not sure Sweden's strategy was the right call. "I'm not convinced at all — we are constantly thinking about this," he told Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet.
by Anonymous | reply 432 | May 26, 2020 5:56 PM |
So, to recap--by killing a higher percentage of people, Sweden failed to achieve what they set out to do.
Yes, this is what we should be doing here alright.
by Anonymous | reply 433 | May 26, 2020 6:07 PM |
⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 26 - 3:00 PM EST
🚀 SALLY RIDE DAY
🦇 WORLD VAMPIRE DAY
🌎 GLOBAL
CASES: 5,643,956
DEATHS: 350, 022
CRITICAL: 53,024
🇺🇸 UNITED STATES
CASES: 1,715,270
DEATHS: 100,187 ☹️
CRITICAL: 17,084
📊 WORLDOMETER.COM
by Anonymous | reply 434 | May 26, 2020 6:59 PM |
US deaths, 29 Mar: 2,438.
US deaths, 29 Apr: 60,207
US deaths: 26 May: 100,000+
by Anonymous | reply 435 | May 26, 2020 7:05 PM |
From the article at r432
[quote] A majority of Swedes, 63%, according to one recent poll, support the measures Tegnell's agency has recommended.
Sweden is the new Tennessee.
by Anonymous | reply 436 | May 26, 2020 7:33 PM |
R436 Much better than being the new New York.
NY deaths 23,282
Tennessee deaths 329
by Anonymous | reply 437 | May 26, 2020 7:46 PM |
R385 Why does the theme from ‘Shaft’ pop into my head every time I see that pic of Grandpa Joe lookin’ like a pimp in those aviators?
by Anonymous | reply 438 | May 26, 2020 7:53 PM |
Why is Johns Hopkins always like 2000 behind Worldometer?
by Anonymous | reply 439 | May 26, 2020 8:03 PM |
When I see Joe in those aviators, the theme from "Top Gun" pops into my head.
by Anonymous | reply 440 | May 26, 2020 8:08 PM |
A new study produced by business school profs at Columbia and University of Chicago suggests that viewing Fox News is strongly correlated with ignoring social distancing guidance during the first weeks of the COVID19 epidemic and is in fact driving that non-compliance.
The researchers looked at geospatial data derived from anonymized cell phone data and cable channel position by ZIP code around the country. They found that a 1% increase in Fox News viewership in a zip code reduced social distancing by 8.9%.
by Anonymous | reply 441 | May 26, 2020 8:14 PM |
Bloomberg: Almost all doctors and nurses who got mild forms of Covid-19 produced antibodies that could prevent reinfection, according to a study conducted on hospital staff in northeastern France.
The study of 160 volunteers shows all but one developed antibodies within 15 days after the start of infection. Almost all of the staff tested had antibodies that were capable of neutralizing the virus within 41 days of developing symptoms.
by Anonymous | reply 442 | May 26, 2020 8:24 PM |
👽 "160 hospital staff members/test study volunteers, who developed antibodies capable of neutralizing Covid19, mysteriously disappear in France."
by Anonymous | reply 443 | May 26, 2020 8:48 PM |
Trump is now announcing new "protections" for senior citizens, including a cut to out-of-pocket insulin costs for people enrolled in Medicare. Among his comments:
"I don't use insulin. Should I be? Huh? I never thought about it."
"Insulin. So many people. So necessary."
"You know, if you don't take insulin - I just wrote this down - go blind, stroke, amputation, kidney failure, and other things."
by Anonymous | reply 444 | May 26, 2020 8:49 PM |
💉 President Trump recently diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes ?
by Anonymous | reply 445 | May 26, 2020 8:54 PM |
Yet, other studies ...
[quote] A chief concern is that coronaviruses do not tend to trigger long-lasting immunity. About a quarter of common colds are caused by human coronaviruses, but the immune response fades so rapidly that people can become reinfected the next year.
[quote] Researchers at Oxford University recently analysed blood from recovered Covid-19 patients and found that levels of IgG antibodies – those responsible for longer-lasting immunity – rose steeply in the first month of infection but then began to fall again.
[quote] Last week, scientists at Rockefeller University in New York found that most people who recovered from Covid-19 without going into hospital did not make many killer antibodies against the virus.
by Anonymous | reply 446 | May 26, 2020 9:10 PM |
But I need a haircut and we gotta take the kids to see the fireworks and I refuse to pay for my son's college classes if they're gonna be online!
[quote] Many people think COVID-19 kills 1% of patients, and the rest get away with some flulike symptoms. But the story gets more complicated. Many people will be left with chronic kidney and heart problems. Even their neural system is disrupted. There will be hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, possibly more, who will need treatments such as renal dialysis for the rest of their lives. The more we learn about the coronavirus, the more questions arise.
by Anonymous | reply 447 | May 26, 2020 9:22 PM |
There's a new study from Yale that appears to show studying municipal sewage can be a predictor of new COVID cases.
by Anonymous | reply 448 | May 26, 2020 9:37 PM |
Every study is promising.
Until it isn't.
by Anonymous | reply 449 | May 26, 2020 9:41 PM |
I read that antibodies may only be effective for 6 months
by Anonymous | reply 450 | May 26, 2020 9:44 PM |
R450, it’s all just speculation right now on that. I think maybe different people will have different lengths of immunity. This is one baffling motherfucker.
by Anonymous | reply 451 | May 26, 2020 9:47 PM |
^^That's why even if my antibody test is positive, I will continue taking the same protective measures.
by Anonymous | reply 452 | May 26, 2020 9:52 PM |
Re: R444 Trump's desperate to win senior votes.
They're not particularly fond of the man who constantly tries to reduce their benefits.
Someone on his staff must have explained to him the number of seniors who actually get out and vote.
by Anonymous | reply 453 | May 26, 2020 10:22 PM |
MLive: The same sheriff who was a keynote speaker at a Grand Rapids rally against the Michigan Governor Janet Whitmer's stay-at-home COVID-19 order is, himself, working from home over fear of the virus.
Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf, 55, confirmed that he is working most of the time from home, despite having no underlying conditions that could make him more vulnerable.
The sheriff, who is a Republican, spoke last week to a reported crowd of 300 at the rally against Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s stay-home order. He compared the order to mass arrest. It got him national attention.
by Anonymous | reply 454 | May 26, 2020 10:23 PM |
🤠 The sheriff is lying.
He's got the symptoms, and is waiting for his test results.
by Anonymous | reply 455 | May 26, 2020 10:26 PM |
[quote]That's why even if my antibody test is positive, I will continue taking the same protective measures.
Good -- per CNN, the CDC this afternoon the antibody tests might be wrong half the time.
by Anonymous | reply 456 | May 26, 2020 11:08 PM |
Some numbers that actually mean something: daily tests done is increasing, daily positive tests (new cases) holding steady and daily positivity rates decreasing.
by Anonymous | reply 457 | May 26, 2020 11:38 PM |
R450 and others, we get a flue shot every year in spite of the fact that most of us have already had the flue at least two or three times in our lives. But every year we get a shot because there are different flue viruses and the vaccine has to be recalibrated to imunize us and even then it doesn't work 100% of the time. I believe the anti bodies we develop from getting the flue don't last or stay as strong. I mean I know people who got the flu twice in one year. So it won't surprise me if the COVID19 antibodies don't last.
by Anonymous | reply 458 | May 26, 2020 11:52 PM |
^^^ Thank you, Mr. President and Mr. Vice President.
by Anonymous | reply 459 | May 26, 2020 11:54 PM |
R457, I'd like to see that chart with NYC removed.
by Anonymous | reply 460 | May 27, 2020 12:45 AM |
Chris Cuomo has said numerous times he has “funky bloodwork” after his covid experience but he never explains any further.
by Anonymous | reply 461 | May 27, 2020 1:21 AM |
R456 Cite a reference or it didn't happen.
by Anonymous | reply 462 | May 27, 2020 3:22 AM |
When the hell is Johns Hopkins going to admit we're over 100k?
by Anonymous | reply 463 | May 27, 2020 3:31 AM |
[quote]we get a flue shot every year
Black lung?
by Anonymous | reply 465 | May 27, 2020 9:44 AM |
Seasonal influenza mutates so much every year it is essentially a new virus. Immunity to each individual Influenza strain is actually very durable.
There are lots of antibody tests (FDA allowed, but not FDA approved) on the market. Many of the cheap, fast commercial ones are cross reactive with cold Coronaviruses and those tests have lots of false positives. If you are antibody positive on one of the crappy tests, get re-tested with an FDA approved version.
by Anonymous | reply 466 | May 27, 2020 9:59 AM |
South Korea, which won praise for containing the coronavirus without mass lockdowns, reported its biggest daily surge in infections in seven weeks, underscoring the challenge in permanently taming the illness in the absence of a viable vaccine.
The Asian nation reported 40 new cases for Tuesday, the biggest one-day increase since April 8.
by Anonymous | reply 467 | May 27, 2020 10:03 AM |
Re: the marshmallow test. If I had been a child in the test I wouldn't have touched the marshmallow. I have never liked them, always threw away bags of hardened ones after the making of s'mores in the summer. However, if there had been a Hershey's chocolate kiss (or two), I would have capitulated in seconds. For the record, I have a high IQ and have always been an achiever.
by Anonymous | reply 468 | May 27, 2020 11:36 AM |
Interesting. Not sure if this has already been posted
Guardian -As researchers around the world race to perfect a coronavirus vaccine, new polling suggests that only half of people in the United States might actually take it. The results of the Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll, released on Wednesday, found 31% weren’t sure if they’d get vaccinated, while one in five said they would refuse. Among Americans who say they wouldn’t get vaccinated, seven in 10 worry about safety. Among those who want a vaccine, the AP-NORC poll found protecting themselves, their family and the community are the top reasons.
by Anonymous | reply 469 | May 27, 2020 11:52 AM |
"Among those who want a vaccine, the AP-NORC poll found protecting themselves, their family and the community are the top reasons."
Would there be any OTHER reason???
by Anonymous | reply 470 | May 27, 2020 12:36 PM |
R463: Exactly! Morning Joe is still saying 99,773 deaths or something like that as of right now. Deaths have been over 100K since yesterday afternoon. John Hopkins is always late with updates.
by Anonymous | reply 471 | May 27, 2020 12:53 PM |
The marshmallow test was found to be bullshit. It was rich kids who passed because they knew there were marshmallows available to them everywhere.
by Anonymous | reply 472 | May 27, 2020 1:01 PM |
⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 27 - 10:15 AM EST
🙈 FEAR NOTHING DAY
👴👵 NATIONAL SENIOR DAY
🌎 GLOBAL
CASES: 5,717,804
DEATHS: 352,983
CRITICAL: 53,048
🇺🇸 UNITED STATES
CASES: 1,729,035
DEATHS: 100,686
CRITICAL: 17,158
📊 WORLDOMETER.COM
by Anonymous | reply 473 | May 27, 2020 2:14 PM |
John Hopkins is still reporting 99,710 deaths as of right now. That is almost 1000 unreported deaths. WTF? Did Trump threaten them to keep it under 100K or something?
by Anonymous | reply 474 | May 27, 2020 2:32 PM |
R474. Don't worry. By tomorrow, the entire world will know
by Anonymous | reply 475 | May 27, 2020 2:46 PM |
Fauci probably told the folks at Johns Hopkins to put a lid on it or there wouldn't be any more research grants in the future.
by Anonymous | reply 476 | May 27, 2020 2:47 PM |
MayorOfLA @MayorOfLA · 11h Our new COVID-19 testing site at Dodger Stadium will allow us to test up to 6,000 people per day quickly and efficiently.
Tests are free and no insurance is needed.
by Anonymous | reply 477 | May 27, 2020 3:41 PM |
Nearly 600 deaths already reported in the US and none so far from the top 5 states. The weekend/holiday lag is real. This is so far from over despite what Trump and Pence say.
by Anonymous | reply 478 | May 27, 2020 5:14 PM |
R479: About time! The JH and CDC sits are 2000+ behind! I sent a text to Rachel Maddow about it earlier.
by Anonymous | reply 480 | May 27, 2020 5:38 PM |
Ugh, *sites
by Anonymous | reply 481 | May 27, 2020 5:39 PM |
The IHME model apparently lowered the total USA death projection from (I think) 147,000+ to the current estimate of 131,967.
by Anonymous | reply 482 | May 27, 2020 5:46 PM |
^Unless JH/CDC plan on lying/suppression, that projection will go back up by June/July.
by Anonymous | reply 483 | May 27, 2020 5:57 PM |
I live In Europe. Today, I heard 3 radio ads about McDonald's opening back up in our country. Thousands and thousands of deaths here but I am supposed to feel good about fucking McDonald's? Their shit food is contributing to the health problems around the world. What a crazy world we live in.
by Anonymous | reply 484 | May 27, 2020 6:18 PM |
[quote]U.S coronavirus deaths top 100,000
Called it: before June 1st!
Will we hit 200k by 4th of July or Labor Day?
by Anonymous | reply 485 | May 27, 2020 6:20 PM |
R485: Depends on where you get your numbers...
Worldometer: by July 4th or Labor Day
CDC/JH: by Thanksgiving or Christmas
by Anonymous | reply 486 | May 27, 2020 6:41 PM |
USA - Almost 1400 deaths today, so far
by Anonymous | reply 487 | May 27, 2020 10:17 PM |
[quote]Called it: before June 1st!
wow. you win.
by Anonymous | reply 488 | May 27, 2020 10:27 PM |
Now,1500 (twice as much as yesterday))
by Anonymous | reply 489 | May 27, 2020 11:19 PM |
Disney World will be reopening starting July 11th. That's almost four months since they had to close.
by Anonymous | reply 490 | May 27, 2020 11:31 PM |
I booked my Disney trip for 2021 last week. They said they were giving full refunds up to 9 days before and no fees to change the dates. Even the cancellation insurance was movable to the revised dates. I figure I can just keep pushing back the trip as needed.
by Anonymous | reply 491 | May 27, 2020 11:45 PM |
I booked my Disney trip for 2021 last week. They said they were giving full refunds up to 9 days before and no fees to change the dates. Even the cancellation insurance was movable to the revised dates. I figure I can just keep pushing back the trip as needed.
by Anonymous | reply 492 | May 27, 2020 11:45 PM |
Fuck the Republicans, from the local/state to the Federal level
https:/ /www. facebook. com/brian. k. sims/ videos/ 683102628927090/ (remove spaces since DL is refusing links(
by Anonymous | reply 493 | May 27, 2020 11:49 PM |
Amy Cooper's crappy life continues. Earlier:
[quote] Amy Cooper had a “romantic relationship” with Wall Street trader Martin Priest from 2008 to 2012, “while unaware that he was still residing with his wife,” according to a fraud suit she filed against him in 2015.
[quote] Cooper alleged in her suit that Priest also said that he’d since gotten another girlfriend pregnant, that she “had likewise abused him” and that he desperately needed $100,000 to “protect himself and his children from his wife” and to pay his girlfriend “to abort her unborn child.”
[quote] In order to convince Cooper to part with the cash, Cooper alleged, Priest allegedly lied and told her that he “wanted to get back together after all his marital and extramarital problems were resolved.” In response, Cooper loaned him a total of $65,000 between Feb. 12 and July 30, 2014, her suit said.
He married the new girlfriend who gave birth to his child and he allegedly kept the money he got from Cooper, so she sued him. The case was dismissed because no one showed up in court.
by Anonymous | reply 494 | May 28, 2020 12:19 AM |
AUSTIN -- The Texas Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that lack of immunity to COVID-19 is not a physical disability that qualifies people to vote by mail.
The ruling is a major victory for Attorney General Ken Paxton who has argued that only a physical illness or disability that prevented voters from going to the polls should qualify people to vote by mail. It is a loss for the Texas Democratic Party and voting rights groups who had pushed for expanded mail voting during the coronavirus pandemic and had won temporary victories in lower courts.
by Anonymous | reply 495 | May 28, 2020 12:41 AM |
In case you were wondering what Brian Sims was up to...
by Anonymous | reply 496 | May 28, 2020 12:44 AM |
RIP Larry Kramer
by Anonymous | reply 497 | May 28, 2020 1:30 AM |
This virus is fucked up.
Our leaders don’t give a fuck, they are all bowing to pressure and reopening without any solid plan to get a handle on this plague.
by Anonymous | reply 498 | May 28, 2020 3:55 AM |
Yikes! Another rat story
Guardian-In Australia, empty offices and restaurants in the city of Sydney are driving hungry rats into homes and suburbs, and the loosening of restrictions could create “a new rat plague”, according to a leading rat-catcher. As city centres have closed due to the Covid-19 pandemic, suburban rat infestations have spiked, according to Geoff Milton, a Sydney rat-catcher with 35 years’ experience. Prof Peter Banks, a rodent expert from the University of Sydney, said rats had begun eating each other.
by Anonymous | reply 499 | May 28, 2020 4:20 AM |
Politico:
Trump extends National Guard's coronavirus deployment after outcry
by Anonymous | reply 502 | May 28, 2020 5:12 PM |
From r501:
Soros-Funded Deep State Operative in Quarantine @ExGOPer ·
Replying to
@MollyJongFast
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Texas is the Alabama of Floridas.
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by Anonymous | reply 503 | May 28, 2020 5:17 PM |
Still far from the truth. But a nice gesture I guess
Guardian-Health officials in Moscow updated their figures on coronavirus deaths on Thursday, seeking to dispel doubts about Russia’s comparatively low Covid-19 death toll, the Associated Press reports. On top of 636 deaths in April directly caused by Covid-19 reported earlier, the Moscow health department added the deaths of 756 people who tested positive for the virus but died of other causes.
by Anonymous | reply 504 | May 28, 2020 5:32 PM |
Regardless of what some countries and states are reporting, the excess deaths relative to previous years are happening. Despite fewer deaths in other areas including traffic accidents and homicides. Sadly, there is no getting around the truth despite what some people in power are saying. It's much worse than we know.
by Anonymous | reply 505 | May 28, 2020 5:39 PM |
Meanwhile, in the PA House of Representatives, GOPers failed to inform their fellow congressmen when one of their own tested positive. Meetings continued, maskless, for a week until the truth came out.
by Anonymous | reply 506 | May 28, 2020 6:47 PM |
Is Florida cooking the books to list Covid-19 deaths as pneumonia deaths?
by Anonymous | reply 507 | May 28, 2020 7:24 PM |
I think there's a thread on this, but here's a link with no paywall.
* WaPo - ‘Sorry, no mask allowed’: Some businesses pledge to keep out customers who cover their faces
by Anonymous | reply 509 | May 28, 2020 8:17 PM |
R509: Such businesses should fail. They are too stupid and reckless to remain in business. They sure as hell wouldn't get my money.
by Anonymous | reply 510 | May 28, 2020 8:25 PM |
Steve Bell on Donald Trump's social media threat – cartoon
by Anonymous | reply 511 | May 28, 2020 11:33 PM |
I like how cartoonists always give Trump tiny hands
by Anonymous | reply 512 | May 28, 2020 11:55 PM |
I see on the news that cases are rising in the South, of course where the restrictions were lifted first.
regarding the six feet thing...I think of how you can smell someone with a nice perfume or cologne on, sometimes you can pick up the scent as soon as you enter a room. In my unscientific opinion, that is the same distance an airborne virus can linger in the air. That's a hell of a lot of distance people need between them, way more than the recommended six feet
by Anonymous | reply 513 | May 29, 2020 12:40 AM |
Holy hell, R506. The NYT covered that too. I wonder how common this kind of info suppression will turn out to be in red-state legislatures.
by Anonymous | reply 514 | May 29, 2020 12:43 AM |
Where are they getting this 136,000 projected deaths by August from? At an average rate of 1000/day, we will be at almost 200K by Labor Day!
by Anonymous | reply 515 | May 29, 2020 1:19 AM |
Worldometer added another link - "2 days ago". New cases increased by 2000 in one day.
by Anonymous | reply 516 | May 29, 2020 1:42 AM |
Boston Herald had an article yesterday quoting from a model showing the U.S. death rate dropping with the quote being:
[quote] The model from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington now projects there will be 131,967 deaths from the virus across the country by August, down from a prediction of 143,357 on May 18.
The link is in the second paragraph of the article. I looked at it, and they see deaths falling to around 300 per day by July 1, and under 100 a day by August 1.
by Anonymous | reply 517 | May 29, 2020 2:03 AM |
In another report from Wisconsin, 7 bar/restaurant workers came down with it after a busy weekend.
by Anonymous | reply 519 | May 29, 2020 7:04 AM |
Still 625 new cases reported in PA yesterday. Where are they coming from?
by Anonymous | reply 520 | May 29, 2020 10:35 AM |
[quote]Where are they coming from?
Pussy r520. Same as you, same as me.
by Anonymous | reply 521 | May 29, 2020 10:58 AM |
Oh dear
Guardian-Health authorities in South Africa said the country has a backlog of nearly 100,000 unprocessed tests as it and other countries on the continent face difficulties in obtaining essential supplies. “This challenge is caused by the limited availability of test kits globally,” the health ministry said.
by Anonymous | reply 522 | May 29, 2020 6:39 PM |
FUX News:
Trump announces US ‘terminating’ relationship with WHO
by Anonymous | reply 523 | May 29, 2020 7:13 PM |
Distract, distract, distract...
by Anonymous | reply 524 | May 29, 2020 7:15 PM |
NBC:
Coronavirus started spreading in the U.S. in January, CDC says
by Anonymous | reply 526 | May 29, 2020 8:11 PM |
He is so completely full of shit.
Guardian-Trump’s announcement that he is pulling the US out of the WHO came three weeks ahead of an ultimatum he laid down earlier this month. On 19 May, the US president sent a four-page letter to the WHO director general Dr Tedros warning he would permanently cut US funding of the WHO and reconsider US membership if the organisation did “not commit to major substantive improvements within the next 30 days”. He has made the break only 10 days later, falsely claiming that “China has total control over” the global health body.
by Anonymous | reply 527 | May 29, 2020 9:30 PM |
[quote] ~6700 covid/flu/pna deaths in 2020 (feb-may) vs ~1050 flu/pna deaths in 2014-2018 (feb-may)
[quote] only ~1950 covid deaths in FL as of May 23 per "provisional" CDC reporting. leaving ~3700 flu/pna deaths above avg
[quote] in other words, significant undercounting of Covid deaths in Florida
by Anonymous | reply 528 | May 29, 2020 9:41 PM |
And the state of Georgia is only reporting 1 death so far today according to Worldometer. Totally out of line with other states above and below Georgia on the list.
by Anonymous | reply 529 | May 29, 2020 9:56 PM |
R529 Right now, it says 11 deaths in Georgia for today.
by Anonymous | reply 530 | May 29, 2020 11:26 PM |
R530: Yep! and the usual-bogus 43-49 death range for Florida
by Anonymous | reply 531 | May 29, 2020 11:52 PM |
Variably old data but an ongoing phenomenon--Georgia and Florida deserve dishonorable mention. I bet there's even greater disparity in the fully updated data. From what I can see, it's 87,000 uncounted deaths in question now rather than 40,000.
by Anonymous | reply 533 | May 30, 2020 12:10 AM |
Article on transmission in New York in the first half of March.
by Anonymous | reply 534 | May 30, 2020 3:20 PM |
Trump must be as happy as possible to see all of these protests around the country as possible Coronavirus hot spots. He may just hit a quarter million deaths by the elections.
by Anonymous | reply 535 | May 30, 2020 7:07 PM |
From the Dept. Of The Obvious, but nice to see it in black and white.
by Anonymous | reply 536 | May 30, 2020 10:51 PM |
WaPo: The pandemic isn’t over. But America sure seems over it.
by Anonymous | reply 537 | May 30, 2020 11:10 PM |
^
“I think everybody is kind of over it, you know what I mean?” says a realtor named Toni Mock, on the phone from Jacksonville, Fla.
She wants that roaring Trump economy back. One thing that helped her get over it was the “boaters for Trump” flotilla May 16. She hopped in a friend’s 40-foot sportfishing boat with some chicken wings and Corona beers (lol) and joined a fleet of vessels in the Intracoastal Waterway. The sun, the breeze, the “Trump 2020” and “Stop the Bulls---” flags, the kayaks and Jet Skis, the boats dubbed with carefree puns like “Knot to Worry” — it was “almost biblical,” according to Mock.
Study: 24 states have uncontrolled virus outbreaks Atlanta mayor steps into national spotlight with plea to protesters The Washington Post logoThe pandemic isn’t over. But America sure seems over it. We’re over it. The masks, the kids, the Lysol. Over it. The tragic hair, the diminished hygiene, the endless construction next door, the Zoom meetings from hell, the mind games with the unemployment office, the celibacy, the short tempers and long evenings, the looking forward to the mail, the feeling guilty about the mail carrier working double time, the corporate compassion pushing products we didn’t need even before the world went funky and febrile.
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The now-more-than-everness, the president-said-whatness. Over it. Does 99.1 count as a fever? Over it. Some of us have reached the outskirts of Netflix, and we’re over it. Some of us can’t make rent; over it. And so we are deciding to have a summer after all, it seems. A summer of playing freely, of living dangerously. One hundred thousand dead, 40.8 million jobless claims. Not past it, but over it.
“We can’t keep fighting the virus from our living room,” Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R), clearly over it, said Wednesday.
“There is a pent-up demand” to resume normal life, said President Trump, also over it, in the Rose Garden on Tuesday. “And you’re going to see it more and more.”
“I think everybody is kind of over it, you know what I mean?” says a realtor named Toni Mock, on the phone from Jacksonville, Fla.
She wants that roaring Trump economy back. One thing that helped her get over it was the “boaters for Trump” flotilla May 16. She hopped in a friend’s 40-foot sportfishing boat with some chicken wings and Corona beers (lol) and joined a fleet of vessels in the Intracoastal Waterway. The sun, the breeze, the “Trump 2020” and “Stop the Bulls---” flags, the kayaks and Jet Skis, the boats dubbed with carefree puns like “Knot to Worry” — it was “almost biblical,” according to Mock.
“It’s all a part of getting out there and letting everybody know we’re not going to die from this.”
And what if the coronavirus surges back, because we’re all over it and having a summer, and we do die from this?
“I have God in my heart, so God could take me out any day,” Mock says. “He can take me out in any way he wants to. And if it’s my time to go, it’s my time to go. I don’t think anyone I know is personally concerned. None of us are afraid, because we have God in our souls and God in our hearts. And we don’t watch CNN.”
by Anonymous | reply 538 | May 30, 2020 11:13 PM |
^ Sorry about that...
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“I think everybody is kind of over it, you know what I mean?” says a realtor named Toni Mock, on the phone from Jacksonville, Fla.
She wants that roaring Trump economy back. One thing that helped her get over it was the “boaters for Trump” flotilla May 16. She hopped in a friend’s 40-foot sportfishing boat with some chicken wings and Corona beers (lol) and joined a fleet of vessels in the Intracoastal Waterway. The sun, the breeze, the “Trump 2020” and “Stop the Bulls---” flags, the kayaks and Jet Skis, the boats dubbed with carefree puns like “Knot to Worry” — it was “almost biblical,” according to Mock.
“It’s all a part of getting out there and letting everybody know we’re not going to die from this.”
And what if the coronavirus surges back, because we’re all over it and having a summer, and we do die from this?
“I have God in my heart, so God could take me out any day,” Mock says. “He can take me out in any way he wants to. And if it’s my time to go, it’s my time to go. I don’t think anyone I know is personally concerned. None of us are afraid, because we have God in our souls and God in our hearts. And we don’t watch CNN.”
by Anonymous | reply 539 | May 30, 2020 11:15 PM |
[quote] “It’s all a part of getting out there and letting everybody know we’re not going to die from this.”
Not so fast, Sparky.
"COVID-19 was initially conceptualized as a primarily respiratory illness, but the Mount Sinai analysis laid out in detail that it also causes damage to the thin layer of cells that line blood vessels (endothelium), which underlies the clotting abnormalities and hypoxia observed in severely ill patients who develop multi-organ failure that leads to death in some patients....the totality of findings in the autopsy series as a whole, with blood clots in multiple other organ systems—most notably the brain, kidney, and liver—reflects endothelial damage as an underlying process, which would also correlate with the activation of the coagulation cascade and persistent elevation of blood markers of inflammation. "
by Anonymous | reply 540 | May 31, 2020 1:27 AM |
The truth is that nobody wanted to attend his shit show. Merkel said yesterday that she wasn't going.
Guardian-US president Donald Trump has postponed the Group of Seven summit that he wanted to hold in June and will also expand the list of countries invited to attend the rescheduled event to include Australia, Russia, South Korea and India. Speaking to reporters on Air Force One during his return to Washington from Cape Canaveral in Florida, Trump said the G7 in its current format was a “very outdated group of countries”. “I’m postponing it because I don’t feel that as a G7 it properly represents what’s going on in the world,” Trump said
by Anonymous | reply 541 | May 31, 2020 4:33 AM |
I had no idea that the whole 6 ft rule was based on outdated technology from the 1930s.
[quote] The World Health Organization (WHO) recommendations for social distancing of 6 ft and hand washing to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2 are based on studies of respiratory droplets carried out in the 1930s. These studies showed that large, ~100 μm droplets produced in coughs and sneezes quickly underwent gravitational settling (1). However, when these studies were conducted, the technology did not exist for detecting submicron aerosols. As a comparison, calculations predict that in still air, a 100-μm droplet will settle to the ground from 8 ft in 4.6 s whereas a 1-μm aerosol particle will take 12.4 hours.
by Anonymous | reply 542 | May 31, 2020 12:56 PM |
Newsweek:
Minnesota Reports More Than 1,000 Coronavirus Deaths
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Fourteen new deaths from the novel coronavirus were confirmed in Minnesota on Sunday, raising the state's overall death toll to 1,040 since the onset of the pandemic.
by Anonymous | reply 543 | May 31, 2020 9:20 PM |
Tear gas is a bad idea during a pandemic. Who knows how many asymptomatic people are in the crowds now coughing and infecting others.
by Anonymous | reply 544 | June 1, 2020 12:41 AM |
Chris Jansing and Ali Velshi better be careful out there. They are older (63 and 50) and around IDK how many asymptomatic protestors in those crowds!
by Anonymous | reply 545 | June 1, 2020 2:15 AM |
[quote]Fourteen new deaths from the novel coronavirus were confirmed in Minnesota on Sunday, raising the state's overall death toll to 1,040 since the onset of the pandemic.
LOL. That's practically nil in a state with 6 million people. But you keep on stoking those panic fires.
by Anonymous | reply 546 | June 1, 2020 8:44 AM |
"LOL. That's practically nil in a state with 6 million people. But you keep on stoking those panic fires."
Republicans panicked over fewer than 3000 people dead on September 11th.....but 100,000 dead (and over 1000 people from just one state) is no biggie and nothing to panic over.
by Anonymous | reply 547 | June 1, 2020 5:21 PM |
That's because they get all excited to start a war but there is nothing they can do for a virus. They're completely incompetent and have no interest in actually governing.
by Anonymous | reply 548 | June 1, 2020 5:45 PM |
And let's not forget DJT's criticism of Obama regarding 12,000 swine flu deaths in the entire country over the course of one year as "a full scale disaster". That was less than 8% of swine flu deaths worldwide for a pandemic that started much closer to home. Current US death toll exceeds 28% of worldwide COVID-19 fatalities.
by Anonymous | reply 549 | June 1, 2020 5:48 PM |
Publicly the UK announced 111 deaths today. Privately they apparently released 556 deaths according to Worldometer. Where did these extra deaths come from? How many other surprises will there be down the line that they somehow find later on based on today's actual reality? Everyone is shaping the numbers to fit the narrative. Sadly, this is where we are at right now
by Anonymous | reply 550 | June 1, 2020 5:53 PM |
R456 true. But it only took 1 death in Minnesota to create a storm around the world
by Anonymous | reply 551 | June 1, 2020 5:58 PM |
Sorry, I meant R546.
by Anonymous | reply 552 | June 1, 2020 6:10 PM |
Reuters:
Michigan governor largely rescinds lockdown, retailers to reopen
by Anonymous | reply 553 | June 1, 2020 6:27 PM |
Keep cowering in your basements, losers. No one will notice or care. New infections are dropping daily. In my state the rolling 14 day average is down 30% ....just in the last two weeks. The rest of the world is moving on. Thank God.
These stale Covid-19 threads are on life support. This one needs a ventilator.
by Anonymous | reply 554 | June 1, 2020 7:35 PM |
The only one cowering in a basement is mango Mussolini.
by Anonymous | reply 555 | June 1, 2020 7:37 PM |
Georgia's are up. We also have 1500 more "pneumonia deaths" already than in years past. They're jooking the numbers.
by Anonymous | reply 556 | June 1, 2020 7:38 PM |
R554, shouldn't you be marching around with a gun and a Confederate flag? The real losers are the ones repeating right-wing talking points on a gay board.
by Anonymous | reply 557 | June 1, 2020 7:51 PM |
Same in Florida...lots of death from Pneumonia all of a sudden
by Anonymous | reply 558 | June 1, 2020 8:27 PM |
At least 16 West Point cadets have tested positive. Thanks, Trump
by Anonymous | reply 559 | June 1, 2020 8:32 PM |
Saturday I drove to a farmers market about 30 miles away because I wanted the scenic trip as well as the veggies, maybe moreso. First non-medical place I've been to since the first week of March.
Not everyone wore a mask. The young Amish girl selling me my carrots and onions said she didn't because "I'm outside." Yeah, okay. I told her if I'd noticed it beforehand I wouldn't have stopped there. Inside, mostly masked, but zero "social distancing." No gloves on any customers that I could see (I wore some).
This market is in a Conservative area of Eastern Pennsylvania.
by Anonymous | reply 560 | June 1, 2020 9:20 PM |
550 here. Worldometer has updated its figures for the UK to reflect 111 deaths for the UK. I guess there was a glitch with the first update
by Anonymous | reply 561 | June 1, 2020 11:26 PM |
Glad you finally popped the hatch on your underground bunker, Rip Van Winkle......er, I mean R560. What you describe is pretty much the norm now. No one is wearing masks out side where I live. And absolutely no one is wearing gloves. They don't do anything anyway. They're just the same as hands if you don't take them off after every encounter with .....anything or anyone. Just use sanitizer when you get back in your car. Not a big deal. We've all been doing it for months.
SE PA has steadily declining daily infections and most of them are in care homes. If you drove a car to the market you were more likely to die in a crash.
by Anonymous | reply 562 | June 2, 2020 12:23 AM |
R562 must be Dr. Phil. People are still wearing masks where I live, and my county voted for Trump.
by Anonymous | reply 563 | June 2, 2020 12:56 AM |
This doctor sounds like an idiot.
[quote] Zangrillo, who is well-known for being the personal doctor of Italy’s former President Silvio Berlusconi, said the study showed the virus was weakening and that, “in reality, from the clinical point of view, the virus no longer exists.”
by Anonymous | reply 564 | June 2, 2020 4:32 PM |
550 here. More information about the UK numbers reported yesterday on Worldometer. So not a glitch after all. Lies and more lies. Still a massive gap between death certificates with Covid mentioned and the "official" figures from the government
BBC-At yesterday’s briefing, UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock announced that there had been an increase in coronavirus deaths of 111 in the last 24 hours. The total number of people who have died after testing positive for Covid-19 stood at 39,045 – according to government figures. But the previous day’s total was 38,489 – which was 556 lower (as Piers Morgan, among others, pointed out). So, where did the extra 445 deaths come from? It turns out that until yesterday, the figure for the number of people who died after a positive test only included those whose test had been processed in an NHS or Public Health England laboratory. On 1 June, the system was changed so that it also included tests processed by a commercial lab (since 24 May). That change meant a total of 445 extra people were counted as having died after testing positive, which was why the cumulative number rose by so much more than the daily figure.
by Anonymous | reply 565 | June 2, 2020 6:24 PM |
Today, the ENTIRE country of Spain reported no deaths. Not a single one. As if......
by Anonymous | reply 566 | June 2, 2020 6:34 PM |
Still dreading my trip to Brazil and Argentina in November. So far, the travel agency in France has not cancelled the trip. Still hoping for a miracle. I was really looking forward to this vacation as I have never traveled to South America before. But now is certainly not the time
by Anonymous | reply 567 | June 2, 2020 7:04 PM |
Nearly 700 deaths already reported in the US due in part to the weekend reporting delays. Still a ways to go for us.
by Anonymous | reply 568 | June 2, 2020 7:13 PM |
R567: Why can't you cancel the trip?
by Anonymous | reply 569 | June 2, 2020 7:16 PM |
R569. We booked our trip last year with Exoticca FR. As from March 2020 bookings, they offer free cancellations like Travelzoo and many others. But, not for bookings made earlier. If WE cancel now, we lose 6K€. We have to wait until THEY cancel. Also still waiting for a refund from United for a trip from Paris to Atlanta that was cancelled in April by United due to the travel ban. They informed me that I would not receive a credit before February 2021. CRAZY!
by Anonymous | reply 570 | June 2, 2020 7:33 PM |
And in other news: USA - 921 deaths so far today
by Anonymous | reply 571 | June 2, 2020 8:56 PM |
R570 That sucks. I'm supposed to be in Alsace right now, but American Airlines gave me a full refund with no haggling. My deposit with the French tour company is being held until Oct. 2021 due to a law passed in France to let travel companies have some operational funds.
by Anonymous | reply 572 | June 2, 2020 9:24 PM |
Somebody, please ....... unplug the respirator on CoronaFreakout#41.
by Anonymous | reply 573 | June 2, 2020 9:25 PM |
Observation: The UK had already surpassed much-publicized Italy in "deaths per million" population, but they're tied with and poised to overtake Spain in that column.
Maybe Trump can send a 1,000 ventilators to his buddy Boris Johnson like he's doing for fellow madman Bolsonaro down in Brazil.
by Anonymous | reply 574 | June 2, 2020 9:47 PM |
570 here. Feeling beyond sad. Already 25K cases reported in Brazil. The pain and suffering is real. Fuck the refund! I will survive either way . My concern now is with the people of Brazil and for South America as a whole. The peak is not yet reached!! My heart bleeds.
by Anonymous | reply 575 | June 2, 2020 10:42 PM |
(R570) I had to cancel my June trip to Paris and my July trip to Tokyo. I wanted to travel somewhere this summer, so I booked a month stay in Seattle.
by Anonymous | reply 576 | June 3, 2020 12:11 AM |
Russia, Brazil, the US, the UK - let this be a lesson. Don't elect right-wing assholes!
by Anonymous | reply 577 | June 3, 2020 12:47 AM |
BAJOUR!
by Anonymous | reply 579 | June 3, 2020 1:59 PM |
R567 - see if you can eliminate Brazil from your trip - due to Bolsonaro, COVID will continue to rage there. Argentina is doing very well at control, though Buenos Aires' caseload is rising. I'd head south to Patagonia, which will be fantastic in November.
by Anonymous | reply 580 | June 3, 2020 6:42 PM |
R580. Thank you for your message. Unfortunaely, we can not change the itinerary which includes: Buenos Aires, Patagonia, Rio and the Iguazu falls. Hoping that the situation will drastically improve but I am not very optimistic at this point.
by Anonymous | reply 581 | June 3, 2020 7:14 PM |
Might as well visit the penguins in Ushuaia when you're in Patagonia. They're magical little creatures. We stayed here, really lovely place:
by Anonymous | reply 582 | June 4, 2020 2:40 AM |
This was mentioned in previous threads, but here's a new article in the New York Times about blood type and coronavirus-
[quote]Geneticists have been scouring our DNA for clues. Now, a study by European scientists is the first to document a strong statistical link between genetic variations and Covid-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus.
[quote] Variations at two spots in the human genome are associated with an increased risk of respiratory failure in patients with Covid-19, the researchers found. One of these spots includes the gene that determines blood types.
[quote] Having Type A blood was linked to a 50 percent increase in the likelihood that a patient would need to get oxygen or to go on a ventilator, according to the new study.
by Anonymous | reply 583 | June 4, 2020 6:37 PM |
Looks like a lot of casinos opened up in Las Vegas on the 4th.
Judging from the news, employees were wearing masks as they are required to, but as for the guests? Barely any of them. It was interesting seeing them gambling through the partitions now, but I guess it's something people will have to get used to.
Unsure about pools being opened; I know spas are still shut down, and about 1/2 of restaurants are open for business.
Probably best to wait until things go back to 'normal' the best they can before visiting.
by Anonymous | reply 584 | June 5, 2020 9:47 AM |
The Corona poll troll is trash. Not to be trusted. Don’t depend on his false information for anything important.
Can we get some real numbers please?
by Anonymous | reply 585 | June 6, 2020 3:00 AM |
No fan of the corona poll troll, but his numbers come from Worldometers.
You don't like his numbers, come up with better ones.
by Anonymous | reply 586 | June 6, 2020 7:23 AM |
The UK is officially the most plague ridden country in the world. 40k deaths for a population of just 65m.
by Anonymous | reply 587 | June 6, 2020 11:14 AM |
The UK is officially the most plague ridden country in the world. 40k deaths for a population of just 65m.
by Anonymous | reply 588 | June 6, 2020 11:14 AM |
So tragically shameful it was worth stating twice r587 and r588.
by Anonymous | reply 589 | June 6, 2020 1:48 PM |
R588 I rolled my eyes when a day or two ago the BBC made a big deal about how Brazil (population 212m) had surpassed Italy's death numbers, all the time not mentioning that the UK has been ahead of Italy in that column for awhile now.
by Anonymous | reply 590 | June 8, 2020 4:44 AM |