Coronavirus Freakout 40: Death Becomes U.S.

Previous thread.

Glad you’re back Sylvia. And ‘Death becomes U.S.’ is brilliant!

Didn't Sylvia start thread #39 ?

R3 Yes. Some unsung hero very adamantly and repeatedly suggested this title many threads ago, but it never came to pass. I was out of appropriate Police songs, so....

I think the Police tune "Murder by Numbers" might have been appropriate, considering who is running/ruining this nation.

You're a walking lie Helen, and I can see right through you.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 15 - 6:40 PM EST

🚔 POLICE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY

🍕 NATIONAL PIZZA PARTY DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,617,077

DEATHS: 307,977

CRITICAL: 45,018

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: ,1,481,831

DEATHS: 88,391

CRITICAL: 16,142

📉 📈 STATS BY WORLDOMETER.COM

Like the title

CDC Director Robert Redfield just tweeted that 12 different forecasting models all forecast an increase in deaths in the coming weeks and a cumulative total exceeding 100,000 by June 1.

Given that we're already at 88,000, I'd say we'll eclipse that long before June 1.

Meta analysis of COVID-19 PCR tests reveals a rather unsettling number of false negatives. Also, a negative result in the first 5 days after know exposure is utterly meaningless.

^^ after KNOWN exposure

Memorial Day will be rolling in within days. Even though many areas of the country have loosened the reigns, people are already showing defiance for the rules. It's going to become increasingly difficult to control crowds as people gather to celebrate summer. This won't be good for the numbers.

Unfortunately we cannot believe any of the numbers coming out of states with Republican governors. Some may be telling the truth but how would one be able to tell since we know some aren't telling the truth.

Funny you should mention that, R13....

R9, at 2,000 deaths a day, that’s roughly one week to hit 100,000. At 1,500 a day, it’s about nine days.

Where are these guys getting their numbers? All you have to do is follow the numbers for a few days in a row and you can predict pretty easily.

Let me pull out my mysterious crystal ball:

If it’s 1,500 deaths per day x 15 days = 22,500

If it’s 1,800 deaths a day x 15 days = 27,000

If it’s 2,000 deaths per day x 15 days = 30,000

If it’s 88,000 today, then

88,000 + 22,500 = 110,500 by May 30

88,000 + 27,000 = 115,000 by May 30

88,000 + 30,000 = 118,000 by May 30

My crystal ball says it’s pretty close to 118,000 by May 30.

I’m guessing they’re trying not to panic people, because anybody can figure this out. And considering a lot of states are opening or just opened, unless states just stop reporting or start faking their numbers (like China, ironically), the numbers may well go past that. A lot.

I'm not sure that all the numbers where they are just comparing this year's deaths to previous year's deaths are all from covid. I think a ton of people are dying from heart attacks and strokes and infections, etc. at home who wouldn't have previously died because they are scared to go to the hospital. Sure, some of it is missed covid deaths but I don't think the states that are acting responsibly otherwise are purposefully undercounting.

The Repug states are fucking lying.

Where CPT?

Off topic but I really appreciate these threads. I took heed from you folks on the first two threads and prepared. I didn’t hoard but became adequately supplied and more importantly, educated my immediate “family”/community of the trouble & terror to come. They in turn took precautions (cancelled Vegas trips, air travel etc) and stocked their pantries. Again, thank you to all.

R16, good point. But I also wonder if a lot of people aren’t having heart attacks and the flu because they’re not going to their stress-filled, germy jobs.

I saw a doctor on TV who was really concerned about this, saying, where are all the regular patients? She was worried people were sitting at home not going to the doctor because they were afraid. That’s probably true. But, no driving means no car accidents, staying in means no athletic injuries. No skiing means no broken legs, no swimming in the lake means no drowning, no stress filled job with crazy boss may mean no heart attack. No co-worker that refuses to stay home when they’re sick means no cold or flu. No going out late at night means no mugging.

Some of this stuff will come back with a vengeance later, but maybe people are safer at home too.

Where are we? I know people that are being summoned back to work and it all still seems sketchy.

And Trump continues on in his enabled fantasy land.

Scary time

Will this be the deadliest pandemic in US history since the Spanish flu?

What actually is the plan? Asking for a friend.

Those are good points R19. There are many hazards and risks in life that are avoided if one stays in the house and never goes out. We assume risk daily if we leave the house and accept it as part of life. At least some of us do.

R14 - that's behind a paywall - can you post the salient bits of the article please?

I know some places are doing fever checks for employees or asking people to self report fevers. Seems like an HR nightmare.

It also seems rather ineffective R25. If the risk is mostly about asymptomatic people spreading the virus, temperature checks would not catch/prevent any of those transmissions. But it does make it look like places are "doing something" and have some plan in place. Whether said plan is effective is questionable.

I agree. I think it’s a CYA kind of approach. For urban areas, no one wants to ride public transportation or deal with bathrooms etc. It’s very complicated to maintain six feet of distance in all the various office spaces, hallways, bathrooms, elevators etc.

On a national level, it’s pathetic. I don’t see any kind of plan or leadership for all to follow guidelines for a consistent approach.

This is surreal - orange clown with masked men behind him

R24, The New York Times is giving free access to their coronavirus articles. As long as you register on their website, you should have access.

The article looks at CDC statistics listing the total number of deaths reported per state and compares states' more recent death statistics to their pre-Corona death statistics. The conclusion is that the delta is at least in part a result of unreported Corona deaths. The data they've pulled, though, doesn't really speak to red states obfuscating data since the red states' CDC data was outdated in its slower path to the CDC. And of course the epidemic has been slower to infiltrate before it makes up for lost time in many of those red areas.

Trump thinks he can bully his way thru this virus but the virus isn't listening.

My dentist told me that there have been no flu deaths this year. No idea where he got that info

This article finally explains for me what the hell I’m dealing with. I’m fairly certain I’m in either my sixth or seventh week of symptoms. Just when I have a decent day where I think I don’t have symptoms anymore they return-chest tightening, fevers coming and going, rapid heartbeat, weird headaches in the front of my head and a strange heavy feeling in my head/body. My conjunctivitis/pink eye appears to have cleared but maybe not 100%-I had that delightful conditionfor at least three weeks. I’m beginning to think that for some of us this thing behaves sort of like Lyme disease-instead of attacking and going away it decides to stick around inside the body until it’s damn well ready to go,

Good luck. I have to go on a diet. I order all the foods I loved as a kid but never ate for years. Ice team etc, I am sure everyone is getting fat.

It feels very strange. I know Joy Reid is on a kick that other countries feel sorry for the US.

We know so little about this disease. Every day is a learning experience for everyone, from the experts to the common man. That's precisely why we need to listen, and take recommend precautions. No one can accurately produce a timeline for the vaccine.

Stunning PETA video shows Asian wet markets still selling bats, monkeys

Investigators with People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) recorded video footage showing markets selling live dogs, monkey, civets, snakes and bats — one of the animals that has been widely blamed for spreading COVID-19.

“PETA is calling on government officials to shut down these Petri dishes for pandemics,” PETA President Ingrid Newkirk said in a press release.

The video opens showing the Jatinegara Bird Market in Jakarta selling bats, monkeys, and civets — which have been linked to SARS — despite the city being the epicenter for COVID-19 in Indonesia.

Birds and cats, which are also eaten in parts of the country, are shown in tight cages covered in feces and food which appears to be rotten.

One rabbit convulsed and seemingly died on camera right in front of the investigator.

Elsewhere, butchers gutted fish on a street in Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam — where the cooked heads and other body parts of dogs were piled on a counter near living animals.

At a market in Zhejiang, China, workers mopped animal blood and guts into a walkway and prepared raw meat. Workers wearing flip-flops on blood-soaked floors were seen in the Philippines, where they also cut up pig and bird carcasses.

PETA Asia has called on health ministers in Asian countries including China, Indonesia and Thailand to close wet markets.

The coronavirus pandemic is believed to have emerged in a “wet market” in Wuhan, China that sold live animals in disgraceful conditions.

Environmentalists and scientists have also issued dire warnings to stop the illegal wildlife trade — fearing it could lead to another pandemic that could wipe out civilization.

PETA also made news this week for selling a $160 Halloween costume mocking “Tiger King” subject Joe Exotic.

Trump is like the grim reaper trotting around without a mask. Why is this old fat man still living?

R33 You are spot on. We also don't know how long immunity lasts, or if even if you get immunity in the first place. There are reports of people getting reinfected which sound more like the virus returns than they get other dose, so we don't how common that is going to be. We don't know the long term effects of have contracted the virus. There have also been cases of people catching COVID-19, getting sick, getting better and then dying. A study is currently being undertaken in Australia on that one. We don't know what long term damage is done to the lungs and other organs. There was so many 'don't know' factors.

I just saw some photos of the people entering Arizona casinos today. They were essentially old as hell, fat as pigs or both. It really did look like the thinning of the herd. None were wearing masks and in interviews, all essentially said that if God wants them to die of Covid19, that's His Will. Unbelievable.

Right m, we may not know anything, but back to work! US is number one in super duper missiles and deaths. MAGA!

Despite all this and all the opinions and bickering, the world keeps on turning. People who use common sense have a very high likelihood of being fine and life will go on.

Nice of you to slam the people who have become ill or died as lacking in common sense. Of course, Trumpsters don't give a shit about thousands of people dying. Why would they?

I didn't slam anyone. I stated that most people will be fine which is statistically true. I'm not a Trumpster (I despise him and everything about him). Your post was a fail, troll.

And R40, YOU and people like you are the problem on this board. Trying to pick a fight with every poster and deliberately misconstrue everything to try to make people look bad. You are the one who looks bad. Go to bed little troll.

People who use common sense = people who follow the health guidelines as prescribed by the medical experts. Most of them will be fine.

That old bat M is a virus carrier.

Would that it were that simple, R43. Plenty of snake oil salesmen and Dr. Oz types out there purport to be experts, then there are the Faucis and Birxes who've equivocated and accommodated. There's been plenty of bullshit to slog through before getting to the common sense, and it's been easy to get lost on the way.

Where I am in California, common sense looks to be in short supply. Very few are social distancing, wearing masks or gloves, etc. It's mind boggling.

Yes R45 but if you dare to admit that you evaluate data and different points of view as part of the process of making decisions and forming opinions, on this site you will get IMMEDIATELY accused of being a Trumpster (which is insulting to any rational human being), a Repub, or a troll. You must ONLY and I mean ONLY conform to the liberal far left talking points, or you will get accused of being a Trumpster or troll. I'm sick of it. Those posters who constantly scream "TROLL !!!" are out of control and need to be banned from the site entirely. Rant over, thanks for listening.

I'm in Brooklyn and everyone wears a mask and steps away when you come near them in the stores. It's all become second nature which will serve us well since we'll have to keep it up for many months. Would *love* to know where our new infections are coming from.

I stil have neighbours hosting garden parties. Also there are still groups of children in the playgrounds. Oh yes and when I get my groceries delivered those guys don’t keep 6ft distance

I'm in SoCA and have noticed a lot more people out and about but for the most part haven't noticed people clustering in groups (other than little groups who are obviously families so they've already been exposed to each other at home). Every person in the grocery store last time I went was wearing a mask. But I have no doubt there are people in various places not using common sense.

R48 can't you request no contact delivery where they just leave the package outside your door and walk away? I personally wouldn't worry about someone handing me a package....as long as they don't cough or sneeze on me it's not a big concern to me. It's no different than being in the grocery store.

[quote]Even though many areas of the country have loosened the reigns, people are already showing defiance for the rules. It's going to become increasingly difficult to control crowds as people gather to celebrate summer. This won't be good for the numbers.

[quote]Trump: "I want to make one thing clear: vaccine or no vaccine, we're back."

And thus with a culpable pseudo-showbiz type slogan, the latter drivel enables defiance. When those numbers surge high again, just wait for: 'People knew what they were getting into. They knew the risks.'

Auburn's Jordan-Hare stadium seats 87,451 people. That's approximately how many people have died from coronavirus in the U.S. the last two months.

I just came back from walking my dog and saw some sort of running club for middle-aged overweight people, about ten of them, no masks, all jogging slowly in a clump. Talking while jogging, huffing and puffing all over each other. Egad!

When Trump made that “we’re back” comment, he was essentially saying people were going to be forced back to work whether they liked it or not, and if they die, so what.

Yesterday, he was asked about schools reopening and children passing the disease to elderly or sick teachers. He said if you were old or sick, maybe you could stay out a little longer. How? There’s no policy or infrastructure to do that at all. If your workplace calls you back, your unemployment is cancelled. Who can afford to live with no job and no unemployment? He was essentially saying, if you’re older and don’t go back to work, no one has to pay you. Like those people are just going to disappear out of the economy. He was saying there is no place in society for them.

A year of that and you’re going to see older homeless people everywhere. And he’s training society to think it’s fine, because everyone else “went back” and these older people are just there holding everyone back, they’re a drag on society, and they’re in the way.

Considering how MAGATs believe everything he says like it’s the word of God, there’s going to be some really bad consequences to that long term. Society is about to take a drastic turn long term, and this sociopath is deciding what it will be, and who it will be acceptable to toss to the curb. And he’s decided anyone who gets in the way of his re-election is disposable. But MAGATs won’t understand it’s about the election, they’ll think it’s a new lifetime philosophy from now on. This guy is doing untold damage to American culture.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 26 - 8:50 AM EST

🏅 ARMED FORCES DAY

💜 WEAR PURPLE FOR PEACE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,649,079

DEATHS309,047

CRITICAL: 45,053

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,484,579

DEATHS: 88,523

CRITICAL: 16,139

📊 STATS : WORLDOMETER.COM

The US only reported 213 deaths to the Worldometer yesterday - what's going on?

UK Stats for today are dire again:

Total cases: 240,161

New Cases: 3,450

Deaths: 34,466

New deaths: 468

I live in London and at this very moment there's four African men yell-talking in each other's faces on the pavement outside my house.

A new article about antibody testing.

NYT, 5-11-20

[quote]One-Third of All U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Nursing Home Residents or Workers

[quote] At least 28,100 residents and workers have died from the coronavirus at nursing homes and other long-term care facilities for older adults in the United States, according to a New York Times database.

Quite a while ago I learned about the Gerasimov Doctrine from a poster on the Treason Threads. I have a hot temper at times so I have to remind myself about it whenever there is a lot of bickering and nonsense statements on a thread. Not everyone is a Russian troll, that is absolutely true, but you don’t need to be a RT to do an RT’s work.

It's always amusing to teach the OP new words and watch them IMMEDIATELY show up as the subject of a new thread.

For instance, the OP stole "pestilence" from me in his plague beak thread: What a desperate, borderline nutjob!

R55: Worldometers reported +1595 deaths in the USA yesterday.

R59/ElderLez: I am the same. Very true!

It’s continually troubling how Trump is making science take a back seat. The CDC used to be so respected. Now he won’t let them publish their own guidelines. I do think this is exactly what Russia has told him to do. Create chaos and divide or else they will expose him.

Gagged

Why did we ever decide Nate Silver was brilliant? He's on Twitter this morning stating that the number of cases isn't as dire as it seems because it's only due to an increase in testing.

Those cases would still exist even if testing wasn't happening.

A lot of cases means a lot of ongoing infection. He is a douche.

r43 and r46 are the same troll. This is an idiot shrieking about "leftists" while getting upset if you call him a Trumpster

Elderlez, can you translate and distill your antibodies r57 link?

r63, he's also debased the CDC to the point that his base thinks that anything they put out is fake news.

Trump Declares 'Vaccine Or No Vaccine, We're Back,' As Coronavirus Deaths Approach 90,000 | MSNBC

R68, it bssically debunks the theory that you can be reinfected after recovery. That’s always been bullshit spread by fear mongerers. The build up of antibodies builds immunity, plain and simple, just like every other virus does. The big question is for how long.

By the way, those cases in Asia where supposedly some people had recovered and tested positive again was from faulty testing which couldn’t distinguish between live cells or dead cells.

😍 Who is the nutball on this thread (and on practically every other thread) who gets a massive hard on every time he uses the words "Trump" and "troll" in the same sentence?

The word pestilence ,R60, dates back to ancient Biblical times.

Are you familiar with the [italic] Seven Plagues of Egypt?

r71, the "fear mongerers" are the ones with common sense. The ones accusing others of being fear mongerers are the ones who listen to Dr. Phil and Trump. The same ones saying there would be hardly any deaths or that it wasn't worse than the flu

WaPo 5/16/20

Summer weather could help fight coronavirus spread but won’t halt the pandemic

[quote] In recent weeks, numerous research studies, based on laboratory experiments, computer models and sophisticated statistical analyses, have supported the view that the coronavirus will be inhibited by summer weather.

[quote] A new working paper and database put together by researchers at Harvard Medical School, MIT and other institutions examines a host of weather conditions, from temperature and relative humidity to precipitation, at 3,739 locations worldwide to try to determine the “relative covid-19 risk due to weather.” They found that average temperatures above 77 degrees are associated with a reduction in the virus’s transmission.

[quote] However, like previous studies, the research from Harvard and MIT found that the transition to summer weather won’t be sufficient to completely contain the virus’s transmission.

[quote] Other coronaviruses, such as SARS and MERS, have exhibited seasonality, ebbing during periods of warmer weather much like the seasonal flu. Many experts have suspected for months that the novel coronavirus might do the same.

(more at link)

The Associated Press @AP · 19m Los Angeles is providing free coronavirus tests to anyone who wants one regardless of whether they have symptoms.

more 🔆 from r75

“Clearly, I believe weather is impacting it — it’s just not impacting it enough to completely eliminate transmission,” Rubin (director of PolicyLab at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia) said. “That’s why we’re still seeing cases in Florida and Texas and Tennessee. It seems to be preventing a big exponential rise in cases.”

Multiple early studies provide evidence of statistical ties between temperature and humidity ranges and the geographic regions where this virus has thrived. While none of these studies has been conclusive, they all point to the same general possibility: The pandemic could ease in parts of North America and Europe during the summer months, although it could come roaring back in the fall.

Rich Sorkin, co-founder of Jupiter Intelligence, a risk management company that is helping clients understand the effect of weather on covid-19, said, “There’s a certain element of geography-is-destiny here.” The countries with the largest outbreaks and highest mortality rates to date are all in cooler climates, he said.

Brazil would like a word.

Bullshit, R74. Your argument is a waste dump of nothingness.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 16 - 2:40 PM EST

🏅 ARMED FORCES DAY

💜 WEAR PURPLE FOR PEACE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,685,883

DEATHS: 310,801

CRITICAL: 44,835

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASED: 1,495,981

DEATHS: 89,013

CRITICAL: 16,060

📊 STATS : WORLDOMETER.COM

Then Brazil is even in more trouble. They start winter in June, and the historical average temperatures for June are below 70 degrees.

WaPo: "They (researchers) found that average temperatures above 77 degrees are associated with a reduction in the virus’s transmission."

r79, you probably believe everything Laura Ingraham tells you

Doesn’t it feel like a large swath of the US, including young people, feel like “if I get it, whatever.” Things are so bad that many seem to be shrugging it off, or worse, calling it a hoax or not that bad. I hope young people don’t sit out the election because it’s going to be a repeat of 2016. Battleground states (which don’t contribute much) decide to go for Trump again.

As an academia worker drone, I support this article.

[quote]I just came back from walking my dog and saw some sort of running club for middle-aged overweight people, about ten of them, no masks, all jogging slowly in a clump.

It doesn't sound like the way to jog, certainly, but you're probably the first to bitch about fat people deserving to die from this, you cunt.

CNN:

Protesters harass local reporter at reopening rally

"They're invading my personal space!"

The reporter isn't any smarter that the protesters, putting himself out there in the midst hostile crowd. He's damn lucky things didn't get any uglier. Probably what he was hoping for, doing his up-to-the-minute report, live from a hospital bed.

USA Update 16/5

16,192 new cases

763 new deaths

'They found that average temperatures above 77 degrees are associated with a reduction in the virus’s transmission'

Finally! The doomsday trolls here have been ignoring this for months and swearing it can't be true, despite the bottom hundred countries with barely any cases being all hot countries.

R89, Then let’s see what happens in Arizona.

It’s very hot there for months. I saw a map of the U.S. yesterday showing that California, Oregon and Nevada were holding steady or reducing cases, but Arizona wasn’t. Texas wasn’t either, IIRC.

Right now it’s 93 degrees in Tucson, Arizona, and it gets much hotter there in the summer. That’s a dry heat. Most of their population is in the southern part.

R71 not all viruses result in immunity. Dengue for instance doesn’t.

R68 the article talks about the fact that other Coronaviruses appear to cause immunity that lasts for years. It also talks about studies that show that people who were infected produce antibodies, but at various levels. It says that we don’t know yet if severity of disease correlates with antibody levels.

It also explains that different antibody tests are very different; some are simple yes/no, others measure antibody levels and the specificity (doesn’t catch false positives) and sensitivity (doesn’t miss real positives) also vary.

R67 is the obvious troll, not the posters he is accusing of being trolls. Get a grip honey.

R68 the article goes on to state that urgent research is needed to determine what level (if any) of antibodies constitutes an “immunity passport” and to model how long that immunity is likely to last.

And finally the article suggests that you could broadly do the cheap, fast, easy, crappy tests broadly and then just re-test the positives with the good test.

I hope I’ve done justice to the article, I am just a lay person so try to read it yourself and see if you disagree.

Maybe you R72?

[quote] Doesn’t it feel like a large swath of the US, including young people, feel like “if I get it, whatever.”

If I get corona, I get corona.

Perhaps some people need a refresher on SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes the disease known as COVID-19.

Consider getting your information from reputable scientists and organizations made up of such people. For example this little place known as the Center for Disease Control (the CDC). This is a much better place to get info than rando posts on this or any other forum where everyone thinks they are an expert and so many of them engage in partisan bickering and trolling (which accomplishes nothing).

For convenience I have provided a link to the CDC COVID-19 information page. There is a plethora of information on the virus, including the source, how it is spread, how to protect yourself, symptoms and testing, immunity, and many other items all conveniently categorized in the FAQ section.

R92, get a grip. You're the one posting in a thread called "coronavirus freakout" while repeating talking points from the right and claiming the deaths of 100,000 people is no biggie.

R97 you are simply ridiculous. There is nothing "right wing" about me. Just stop. And I have never claimed "the deaths of 100,000 people is no biggie". You are a nasty ignorant troll and need to knock it off.

#Trolls💞Trolls

Stop trolling R99

Girls, girls, stop fighting. You both can have Corona!

R98, still trolling. For someone who isn't a right-winger you seem to enjoy attacking people for taking a deadly virus seriously

🍺 My Corona

I'll tell you this. Switzerland is as lackadaisical as any deplorable US state. Everything is open and mobbed. Except hair salons, which are open and empty. All the little shops are mobbed. 1 in 30 wearing a mask - as they are not required. Cafes put their tables outside and there really is no distancing although its supposed to be required. About the best that can said is they used the lockdown time to put up some pretty good plastic to protect cashiers and people who work behind counters. But in crappier stores and ethnic stores, the staff is just mingled in with the customers, stocking as usual, and no masks. 1/3 of waiters wearing masks, but no restaurant diners of course. We have no contract tracing in place, as far as I know.

How's the cheese R104?

the cheese is FUNKY

R102 looks like YOU are the one trolling. Stop.

Funky fresh, R106?

"contact" not contract

r107, stop.

R110 you stop.

speaking of funky fresh

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Take your meds R113

I guess I blocked R107 for a reason.

Donald Trump: A Study in Leadership

R115 needs to be blocked.

Trump’s Censorship Of CDC Guidelines 'Puts The American Public At An Extreme Disadvantage' | MSNBC

It’s awfully trolly out today

🦇 [italic] I Think You're All Batty !

CNN: China still faces the "big challenge" of a potential second wave of Covid-19 infections, the country's top respiratory authority has warned, with the lack of immunity among the community a serious concern as the race to develop a vaccine continues.

"The majority of ... Chinese at the moment are still susceptible of the Covid-19 infection, because (of) a lack of immunity," said Dr. Zhong Nanshan, the Chinese government's senior medical adviser and the public face of the country's fight against Covid-19. "We are facing (a) big challenge, it's not better than the foreign countries I think at the moment."

Zhong also confirmed in an exclusive interview with CNN on Saturday that local authorities in Wuhan, the city where the novel coronavirus was first reported in December, had suppressed key details about the magnitude of the initial outbreak.

Did the infection go much beyond Wuhan in China? There are over a billion more people spread over hundreds of thousands of square miles still open to infection in China.

Those thinking that heat will save them don't understand why the heat has an effect. It's not because when it's 77 degrees outside the virus suddenly shrivels up and dies. It's because once it hits 77 degrees on average, people start spending way less time crowded inside buildings together. However, unlike some of the poorer island countries throughout the southern hemisphere, we have air conditioning and will still be sitting in our petri dishes even after it warms up outside. You'd have to stick yourself in an oven for a while to actually kill off the virus.

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😾 Big Wuhan Wet Market Meeeoowww

Well, I had it from about the 5th of March and recovered around late March. I am sitting here with severe heart palpitations again and shallow breathing. I feel like it will never completely go away and the article linked above scares the shit out of me. I also caught Dengue many years ago and the similarities were quite amazing - similar body aches, headaches etc.

I was also the poster that had a weird rash/blisters/hives come out in the final days of the illness. Frankly, I feel depressed and fucked.

[R126] I’m sorry for you. It sounds awful. How do they treat you for all those symptoms?

r126 don't allow yourself to feel like that or you are giving into it. Fight it KNOWING that it will eventually be gone and you will be well again but you have to fight those feelings.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 16 - 10:30 PM EST

🎖️ ARMED FORCES DAY

💜 WEAR PURPLE FOR PEACE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,720,077

DEATHS: 313,216

CRITICAL: 44,828

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,507,773

DEATHS: 90,213

CRITICAL: 16,248

📊 STATS @ WORLDOMETER.COM

r124. Does this mean this is lab created?

Wow, 90,000 deaths. So incredibly sad. Who would have predicted this horror on thread #1.

R130, no, it doesn’t mean that.

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Lolz 2020 keeps gettin' better and better

r133, so much for herd immunity.

Jeepers Creepers, r134, that was one of the scariest movies I've seen.

An while we're on the subject of origins, the Spanish Flu didn't start in Spain.

R126,I read that they found that all the people that died had a vitamin D deficiency. Go sit in the sun. It’s so easy to become deficient if you never go out. And take vitamins.

Could be false positives, R133. So many tests are faulty. Or maybe those with a massive viral load (I know, that sounds porny) can be reinfected? I doubt that would be true of everyone. This virus is one baffling motherfucker.

They are thinking now there could be 250,000 deaths by Election Day. Please don’t let Trump win again.

🤞With any luck, r140, Trump will be one of them.

'My bad ?

Corona is a brand new bitch.

We're barely acquainted, let alone had enough time to get to know what makes her tick.

The 250,00 deaths by election day is plausible, considering where we are today. The numbers are certain to rise throughout the summer.

It’s 171 days to Election Day. For there to be 250,000 deaths, there would have to be approximately 1,462 deaths a day. That’s actually plausible.

[quote]The numbers are certain to rise throughout the summer.

But the other guy on the other thread who was just pulling crap out of his ass said the numbers would go down because it was summer. It's so hard to keep track of which guy pulling crap out of his ass and pretending he knows what he's talking about is right.

Article at r75 mentions that some scientists believe the virus could recede in summer but not completely go away, then return big in the fall-winter.

Guardian-In Rio de Janeiro state, which has the second highest number of deaths in Brazil, most hospitals accepting Covid-19 patients have run out of intensive care beds, Associated Press reports. According to the states health secretary, as of Thursday, 369 people thought to have the virus were waiting to be transferred to an ICU. AP reports from the Sao Jose facility, which was just inaugurated, on May 4, and where already 90% of its 128 beds are occupied. More than 15,000 Brazilians have died from the disease so far, though many experts say the figure is probably significantly higher, with cases missed because of insufficient testing. In recent days, more than 800 people have been added to the death toll every 24 hours and the crisis peak has yet to hit Latin Americas largest nation, the experts say.

Brazil is completely fucked. 233K cases from only 735K tests according to Worldometer. The true number of cases and deaths is significantly higher than reported. And now some hospitals are at capacity.

[quote] virus could recede in summer but not completely go away, then return big in the fall

Coronavirus is back and sassier than ever! All new episodes ... coming this fall to NBC.

Hang in there, Les @ R126. Some cases seem to ebb and flow like yours, but do eventually resolve. Thanks for updating us. Despite all the jerks on DL, there are plenty of caring people who want to support each other. I'm rooting for you.

R126 use vitamins and zinc. If you have a diffuser, put some water and tea tree oil(viruses and bacteria don't like it) in it. Did your doctor prescribe anything? Do you have an inhaler, if not maybe ask for one? the latter can give some temporary relief. Hang in there.

So, "heat will keep it away" cultists...is it Brazil's arctic air that's causing it to explode? Brrr.

R151 nothing will keep it away. We just need to take the precautions we can to minimise the change of getting infected

*chanCe

The Corona Freakout Threads have brought out the best and the worst in Datalounge.

R128 is Marianne Williamson.

[quote]guy pulling crap out of his ass

Pics please.

Temps above 77f need to be consistent throughout the day and night. That's why Caribbean and African countries have barely any cases, despite living on top of each other.

R150 tea tree oil is good for humans but please don’t use it in your home if you have pets, they can die from just being in the same room as the aromatherapy diffuser

Coronavirus Cases Slow in U.S., but the Big Picture Remains Tenuous

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 17 - 10:15 AM EST

🍒 CHERRY COBBLER DAY

👩‍👧‍👧 NATIONAL STEPMOTHERS DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,750,411

DEATHS: 313,805

CRITICAL: 44,796

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES : 1,509,422

DEATHS: 90,142

CRITICAL: 16,248

📊 COURTESY OF WORLDOMETER.COM

R158 I know and I don't have any pets currently. Thank you for mentioning this.

[quote]Temps above 77f need to be consistent throughout the day and night. That's why Caribbean and African countries have barely any cases, despite living on top of each other.

Nope. It's just getting started in those areas. In case you haven't been paying attention, this thing hits in sequence as it moves around the globe. It's called spreading for a reason. Just wait. India, Africa, and South America are next up to bat.

I'm not a scientist nor do I play one on DL, but it seems to make sense that the experts would need at least a full year to track this virus around the world to see exactly how weather patterns vs countries effect the spread.

As r162 stated, it's just getting started.

Spain to bar tourists from entering country until at least June 15

r164. Smart. If this measure had been used earlier, we may have been able to contain this virus. So many mistakes were made and continue to be made to combat this disease. People were being sent home from areas where this virus was active. No quarantine was required for these travelers. Airlines did not require passengers or crew members to wear face coverings during flights until very recently.

China admits to destroying coronavirus samples, insists it was for safety

China confirmed Friday it had ordered unauthorized laboratories in the country to destroy coronavirus samples early in the outbreak.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has charged that Beijing refused to provide virus samples taken from patients when the pandemic began in China in late 2019, and that Chinese authorities had destroyed early samples.

Liu Dengfeng, an official with the National Health Commission’s science and education department, told the South China Morning Post the samples were destroyed at unauthorized labs to “prevent the risk to laboratory biological safety and prevent secondary disasters caused by unidentified pathogens.”

He insisted it was done for biosafety reasons and not to hide them from the US and other countries.

When the coronavirus was first reported in the city of Wuhan, “national-level professional institutes” were working to identify the pathogen that was causing it, Liu said.

Pompeo launched his charge during a briefing in late April.

“Based on comprehensive research and expert opinion, we decided to temporarily manage the pathogen causing the pneumonia as Class II — highly pathogenic — and imposed biosafety requirements on sample collection, transport and experimental activities, as well as destroying the samples,” he said.

“We strongly believe that the Chinese Communist Party did not report the outbreak of the new coronavirus in a timely fashion to the World Health Organization. Even after the CCP did notify the WHO of the coronavirus outbreak, China didn’t share all of the information that it had.”

President Trump, after initially praising China’s response and President Xi Jinping, in recent weeks has turned to pointing a finger at Beijing, asserting that China should have stopped the virus within its borders and blaming the country’s Communist government for the global pandemic.

“He’s very frustrated with China,” Trump spokeswoman Kayleigh McEnany said Friday from the White House.

[quote]India, Africa, and South America are next up to bat.

The Guardian: Confirmed Covid-19 cases in Brazil have surpassed the total in Italy and are surging in Mexico and Peru as Latin America struggles to contain its fast-growing coronavirus outbreak.

Brazil announced nearly 15,000 new infections on Saturday, taking its total to more than 230,000, the fourth-largest confirmed caseload after the US, Russia and the UK. Its true number of infections is feared to be much greater, given that the country had carried out fewer than a 500,000 tests by the start of last week, compared with about 1.9m in Spain and Italy.

India’s official caseload passed that of China at the weekend. Nearly a third of the country’s 90,000-plus cases have been detected in the financial capital, Mumbai.

R166 - God damn that China is a worthless lying piece of shit!

It's sort of interesting, in a horrifying way, to watch nation after nation's ruling class watch what's going on and evidently come to the conclusion that the virus will not show up on their own doorstep next.

Here's one thing I've learned from this.

Globally speaking, there is no "over there."

If it is "over there" it is already right in fucking front of you. The means disease, climate change, supply collapse, economics, politics, what have you.

The days of news from Ye Olde Distant Nations not being your problem are well and truly over. Air travel, global finance/industry and the internet have seen to that.

Do they even know yet what animal Corona comes from?

People going to beaches and red states are the next wave. I really don’t believe Kayleigh that it will disappear over the summer.

So these sailors that had tested positive again- where they just asymptomatic?

R171, they showed symptoms, that's why they were tested again.

Azar is a buffoon...

Jake Tapper to Alex Azar: Why was the US hit harder by coronavirus?

R167, Interesting to contrast Brazil with neighboring Argentina, which took swift, sweeping measures despite its recent economic woes. First reported case was in early March; by March 20 Fernández instituted a national lockdown -- with over 80% approval -- that is just beginning to loosen, and the loosening is tied to metrics. Buenos Aires, with a population of 3 million (regional is 15 mil) is still on lockdown. Air travel is still banned until SEPTEMBER. Net result is the curve has successfully flattened, with about 7,000 cases in a pop of ~44 million.

The Peronists' return to power was a mixed blessing, but in this situation, the tight coordination among national and regional governments has been impressive. As has the populace's (including a huge % of "informal" workers) willingness to follow gov't restrictions without coercion.

Glad they figured it out. Kayleigh needs to wake the fuck up and develop a plan for the U.S.

Now for some humor .. UK Gogglebox reacts to Boris.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 17 - 7:00 PM EST

🍒 CHERRY COBBLER DAY

👩‍👧‍👧 NATIONAL STEPMOTHERS DAY

🌎 GLOBAL:

CASES: 4,796,714

DEATHS: 316,434

CRITICAL: 44,820

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,526,181

DEATHS: 90, 931

CRITICAL: 16,353

📊 STATS: WORLDOMETER.COM

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R175, you can't wake the brain dead.

r170, Homo sapiens.

The Llamas will save us from coronavirus!!

'Nope. It's just getting started in those areas. In case you haven't been paying attention, this thing hits in sequence as it moves around the globe.

You're the one not paying attention. The Caribbean islands got their first cases back in February, as did places like the Seychelles. They still only have caseloads in double or triple figures three months later.

R180, don’t tell China. They’ll be eating llamas before you know it.

I really really love llamas and alpacas for some reason. I'd like one for a pet.

[quote] Temps above 77f need to be consistent throughout the day and night. That's why Caribbean and African countries have barely any cases, despite living on top of each other.

It seems pretty warm in Mexico right now. Over 2000 new cases yesterday, same today. 278 deaths yesterday.

R181, let me be more specific so you can figure it out. Their acceleration starts now. Everywhere in the world had a few cases before they exploded. You are literally watching it happen all over South America right now. Anywhere that didn't shut down. Population density factors and travel in and out mitigated the initial takeoff in a lot of these smaller places. It's slower to start but warmth has nothing to do with it.

This isn't the common flu.

Remember that.

Good luck Georgia with your grand experiment of throwing caution to the wind. See you at midnight.

Me too R183 Alpacas especially are like big fluffy dogs.

My niece did 4H wrangling Llamas and alpacas and showing them or a few years. Alpacas have a naturally sweeter disposition, llama can be super stubborn. Many farms will let you lease a llama/alpaca, meaning they will care, house and feed it and you can swan in and hang out with it as you wish. Might be a fun socially distanced safe activity to explore.

DLers should all chip in to rent an Official Freakout Llama mascot! Or two. We can name them Bette & Joan.

Everything old is new again.

HIEEEEEEEEE

R191 I can't wait for more drive-ins to open. What would be even better is if the theaters had an app, so you could order your snacks from your phone and get car-hop service, rather than wait in line at a concession stand.

[QUOTE] Their acceleration starts now. Everywhere in the world

You've been saying this since March, Doomsday Troll. It's not happening.

Just 60% of the 36.5 million people who have filed unemployment claims since March 15 have been paid any of the benefits they're owed, according to Bloomberg News.

Financial hardship is undoubtedly fueling a lot of the return-to-work fervor. Imagine not being able to pay your rent/mortgage, your utility bills, your grocery tab. Our federal and state governments have really dropped the ball on financial assistance to individuals. We should have followed Canada's model and immediately started paying everybody with an SS# a set amount a month. Yes, people who don't need money would get it -- hopefully they would donate it -- but we wouldn't have left so many people in the lurch.

The more “modern” and heavily utilized the transportation infrastructure (trains, highways, air travel, and sophisticated supply chains) the faster the virus gets “seeded” around a country’s regions.

I can’t believe the local casinos are all opening in my area. Fat, old, ciggie smoking people in a confined space. What could possibly go wrong.

they thought they were losing money during the shutdown. wait until all of their customers die.

Washington State was supposed to get a supply of nasal swabs from the feds.

They received boxes of Q-tips.

Read this yesterday - it may have made the rounds already on the internet, but I love it:

"If you expect elementary school children to endure the trauma of active shooter drills for your freedoms, you can wear a mask to Costco."

Unfortunately, R200, the reality is more like, "We'd rather elementary school children die than accept any constraint on absolute gun rights and we'd rather old people die than miss hair salon appointments."

Anybody who’s been on Facebook since the COVID-19 pandemic started has likely seen the claim that “the coronavirus is no worse than the flu.”

Michigan death records show otherwise.

Since 2000, Michigan has had 2,179 people die from the flu. Michigan’s deadliest influenza year was 2018, when state vital records show 346 people died from it.

Michigan’s first novel coronavirus death was March 18. By April 18, state death records show nearly 2,500 Michiganders had died from COVID-19 – more deaths than the flu caused in 20 years.

" We" don't believe in facts or science. We believe in alternative facts, until this directly impacts us.

R203 - well, I'm glad he KNOWS that God has forgiven him, even though he probably infected his wife through his carelessness and she will die.

The problem is - some people on the internet will immediately call this a hoax because it doesn't fit in with their narrative.

Social media has caused all of these conspiracy theories, disinformation and indignation. It's a cancer.

WaPo: A preview from Georgia about how America might reemerge from the coronavirus – eating, drinking, touching and throwing caution to the wind.

Beth Painchaud was pushing her 88-year old mother in a wheelchair around carousels of floral blouses.

“How are you feeling, Mom?” said Painchaud, 60, placing a bare hand on her shoulder.

“Feels good to be out browsing,” said her mother, Joan Painchaud.

They had already had cocktails and appetizers at Kona Grill, and now they were drifting around, not buying anything — “just escaping,” said Beth, who wheeled her mother out of the store and onto a sidewalk that was only getting busier, filling with mask-free walkers, mask-free shoppers and mask-free children running around a fountain.

Here you go, R203.

r205.

That's really sad, I can understand people needing to leave their homes and window shop but there is no harm in slapping a face covering on while doing this.

"A ounce of prevention".

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 18 - 12:00 NOON EST

🇨🇦 VICTORIA DAY

💉 VACCINE AWARENESS DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,841,015

DEATHS: 317,367

CRITICAL: 44,402

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,532,297

DEATHS: 91,077

CRITICAL: 16,355

📊 STATS @ WORLDOMETER.COM

What r207 said ......

☹️ It's one thing not to give a damn about your own health, but to be so thoughtless about the health and well being of everyone you will come in contact with while you're out and about is a crime.

[quote]to be so thoughtless about the health and well being of everyone you will come in contact with while you're out and about is a crime

Since when do Americans care about other people?

#BritBoy

They should've told Americans that wearing a mask would protect them from getting Covid-19.THEN everyone would wear them to protect themselves not everyone else.

It's NOT exclusively an American "problem."

Stupidity an thoughtlessness exist worldwide.

I’d rather talk about alpacas today :/

🤣 [italic] Get Your Alpaca On !

NYT: Iran Sees New Surge in Virus Cases After Reopening Country

Three weeks after reopening, eight provinces in Iran are considered red zones.

Iran reopened without meeting the benchmarks recommended by health experts, such as ensuring that widespread testing and contact tracing was in place,

(Sound familiar?)

[quote]Financial hardship is undoubtedly fueling a lot of the return-to-work fervor. Imagine not being able to pay your rent/mortgage, your utility bills, your grocery tab. Our federal and state governments have really dropped the ball on financial assistance to individuals. We should have followed Canada's model and immediately started paying everybody with an SS# a set amount a month.

Exactly. But dumb Americans are like hamsters on a wheel. Instead of demanding the government do its job, we'd rather risk our lives to go back to soul killing jobs to make CEO's richer, with ever shrinking or non existent health benefits to help us if we catch it.

Trump really is a murderer for pushing his followers into danger like this, isn’t he?

r202, thanks for posting that. I don't know why people are still making the flu comparisons

How's this for Vaccine Awareness Day: the challenge for the Oxford vaccine has failed miserably. After an initial investment of £92M, they are to be given an additional £65M.

Where are the lawsuits against Fox News for spreading false information!

Already filed, R221.

I think Fox News labels themselves as, "Entertainment".

Has anyone ever found Tucker Carlson "entertaining"?

Michigan Gov. Whitmer says businesses in the state's Upper Peninsula and northern Lower Peninsula can reopen this Friday, the start of the Memorial Day weekend. I suspect downstaters will travel north in droves this weekend, overwhelming businesses.

We really need to start seeing what the outcomes of these BCG trials are. I have no faith in a COVID-targeted vaccine.

[quote]I can’t believe the local casinos are all opening in my area. Fat, old, ciggie smoking people in a confined space. What could possibly go wrong.

Darwin at work. Maybe that's the steady exit they would want. Shame though that it plays into Trump's look-the-other-way death prospectus.

All these people yelling “freedom” don’t want to wear a mask or gloves. What they really mean is freedom to infect other people.

I went to Home Depot a few days ago and there was a fat frau and her fat partner, no masks or gloves. She had a half empty fast food soda with a straw she had been drinking out of. She was in the section where tiny packages of bolts and screws are hung high on the wall, staring at them for a good ten minutes, with her dirty cup and dirty straw on the shelf a few inches from the merchandise and she would not move. An employee told her to move her drink, and another asked if they needed help. She said no but moved the drink. She had on shorts a summer top, and sandals, so not much was covered.

I gave up at that point and went to a different Home Depot.

I read an opinion piece somewhere recently which suggested that to the Deplorables, wearing a mask would be an admission that Trump was wrong, and the fools would quite literally rather DIE.

I’m wondering whether Deplorables are just going to start dropping like flies when everything is open, R229.

It would be ironic if Trump lost the election because all his followers killed themselves to please him.

[quote] I’m wondering whether Deplorables are just going to start dropping like flies when everything is open

Dear god, I hope so. But I don't want them to take a bunch of innocent healthcare workers out with them.

[quote]A Butte County pastor who defied public health officials and held an in-person Mother’s Day service that potentially exposed 180 congregants to the coronavirus has spoken out about his decision on social media.

[quote]In a Facebook post on Friday, pastor Mike Jacobsen of Palermo Bible Family Church said that an asymptomatic congregant who attended the May 11 service woke up the next morning “needing medical attention” and was tested for the coronavirus that day. The congregant received positive test results for COVID-19 two days later.

Oops!

The Moderna vaccine trials are showing promise:

"At day 43, or two weeks following the second dose, levels of binding antibodies in the 25 microgram group were at the levels generally seen in blood samples from people who recovered from the disease..."

"....The vaccine also produced neutralizing antibodies against Covid-19 in at least eight participants, the company said. Experts have said neutralizing antibodies appear to be important in acquiring protection."

".....is moving to start phase two trials that would include 600 participants. If the vaccine is found to be effective and safe to use, it could be ready for the market in early 2021, the company said."

Obviously still a lot of research to be done and a lot to learn. But I find it encouraging when I read stories like this.

[quote]an asymptomatic congregant who attended the May 11 service woke up the next morning “needing medical attention” and received positive test results for COVID-19 two days later.

That was in California, here's a church down south with a similar story:

The Christian Post reports that Catoosa Baptist Tabernacle in Ringgold, Georgia restarted in-person services on April 26 but decided to suspend “in-person worship services for the foreseeable future” on May 11 after learning several families had contracted the virus.

The reopening is going really well., obviously.

The LA County Health Director is giving her daily update today. She's still speaking but stated that most of the increase in cases is due to increased testing, particularly in skilled nursing facilities and jails. Many have no symptoms (which could mean they never will, or could mean they are pre-symptomatic).

[quote] NYT, 5-11-20: One-Third of All U.S. Coronavirus Deaths Are Nursing Home Residents or Workers

[quote] WaPo, 5-18-20: Canada’s nursing home crisis: 81 percent of coronavirus deaths are in long-term care facilities

Trump just announced that he has been taking Hydroxychloroquine for the past few weeks. Don't get your hopes up, it could be a low dose.

Wow R237 isn't that linked to heart attacks? And he doesn't look like he would be particularly low risk, given his weight which is approaching that of a beached whale.

CNN: The Navajo Nation has surpassed New York and New Jersey for the highest per-capita coronavirus infection rate in the US -- another sign of Covid-19's disproportionate impact on minority communities.

The Navajo Nation, which spans parts of Arizona, New Mexico and Utah, reported a population of 173,667 on the 2010 census. With 4,002 cases, the Native American territory has 2,304.41 cases of Covid-19 per 100,000 people.

By contrast, New York state now has a rate of 1,806 cases per 100,000 and New Jersey is at 1,668 cases per 100,000.

He’s probably taking HydroxyCut. Godspeed.

R328, yes, it's been linked to heart attacks, and the FDA cautions against using it outside of a hospital.

Daniel Dale:

Asked if the WH doctor recommended he take hydroxychloroquine, he said he asked and the doctor said, "Yeah, White House doctor...no, I asked him, 'What do you think?' He said, 'Well if you'd like it.' I said 'Yeah I'd like it. I'd like to take it. A lot of people are taking it.'"

Asked what evidence there is that hydroxychloroquine has a preventative impact, Trump says, "Here's my evidence: I get a lot of positive calls about it."

Trump notes the VA study that showed hydroxychloroquine wasn't effective and that there were higher death rates for people taking it, but suggests the people who did it "aren't big Trump fans." It was "a very unscientific report."

There’s no proof hydroxychloroquine actually does anything but give people heart problems. But Trump probably thinks he’s totally immune and that’s why he’s walking around with no mask everywhere.

I hope he goes around breathing in the breath of all his non-mask wearing staff and fans at every possible opportunity.

I hope they gave him a placebo...

Yes, I read about the church goer infecting 180...and NJ just reopened some churches! I think Catholic churches if I'm not mistaken.

AP:

Trump says he's taking malaria drug in case he gets virus

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Trump is probably lying abut taking the drug but since he has money invested and has it stockpiled he knows his followers will start taking it. If they could only see him for what he is. People are just dollar signs to him.

R248, I agree he’s making a big deal out of it because he wants his cult members to buy the stock, but I still think it’s weird that he thinks he’s immune.

My guess is whatever he’s taking is not foolproof but he thinks it is. I hope it is hydroxychloroquine. I’ve never heard it prevents Covid so it’s useless.

The Hill:

US coronavirus death toll tops 90,000

I know this may sound stupid, but seeing that clip of Trump saying he takes hydroxychloroquine - he seems REALLY crazy. I mean CRAZIER than usual...

It’ll turn out later that hydroxychloroquine in high doses makes people crazy.

R249, it's more likely that this is the result of him being insane. Simultaneously dealing with the pandemic and his struggle for re-election has been too much for him. He has retreated to fantasyland; he believes his own lies.

OMG I just watched that clip of Trump saying he is taking the drug and he used that voice that he does when he is 100% LYING. Trump has officially just become the new Jim Jones

I hope that someone will start studies following up on all of the asymptomatic people over the years. I want to know if in some people the virus just lies dormant for a while and then...

R255, I bet it’s like shingles. Get the disease, thirty years goes by and it comes back

(As an aside, have animated gifs stopped working for everyone else?)

🙉 Why do the test every freaking vaccine on monkeys ?

I'm calling PETA !

Donald TRump is available

Whoops, same difference

I don't believe a word that orange turd says...

He's fucking lying about it.

What kind of fucking doctor would advise his patient to take that shit when you don't have symptoms?

This kind, R260:

🦍Trump is like King Kong.

He destroys everything in his path.

Just caught a glimpse on TV of Doc Fauci , standing behind Trump, wearing a pink mask with the front bearing a striking resemblance to a pig's 🐷 nose.

Silent Protest?

r256 but by then they will have a vaccine

He's snorting it. It probably gives him a rush similar to Sudafed.

A woman wears a mask reading 'Fascist Muzzle' at a protest against restrictions implemented in response to the coronavirus outbreak near Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker’s house in Swampscott, Massachusetts. REUTERS/Brian Snyder

[quote]Trump is probably lying abut taking the drug but since he has money invested and has it stockpiled he knows his followers will start taking it. If they could only see him for what he is. People are just dollar signs to him.

Exactly what I was thinking.

R258 PETA is already stalking/harassing Francis Collins at his home. You don’t need to call them.

Chris Martinson is also pushing hydroxychloriquine for whatever reason. It’s like forsythia only better I guess.

And Disney World is re-opening (but not the actual parks) this weekend.

US lockdown protests may have spread virus widely, cellphone data suggests

Devices associated with protesters travelled up to hundreds of miles after rallies where few precautions were taken

It’s really obvious he’s trying to get people to buy it. I don’t know why it automatically follows that he’s not taking it as well.

Trump is a person that deals in absolutes. Either something is the absolute cure or it’s worthless. There’s nothing in between. I don’t think he’s smart enough to understand the concept of “it can work a little sometimes for a few people,” or, “ it seemed promising at first, but then it turns out that study wasn’t done properly.” These are subtleties he just can’t get through his head. If someone said once it might work, it’s The Cure to him, period.

I bet he heard that one early study, bought a ton of stock, and now he’s flogging it like crazy because he doesn’t have nearly as much money as he claims and he’s in over his head.

Also, Trump, it seems to me as an observer, is exactly the kind of person who lies to people, forgets it’s a lie, convinces himself, and eventually decides the lie he’s spouting is the absolute truth.

He’s fucked up and I’m fucking sick of it. I just want it OVER ALREADY and his death can’t come soon enough now.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 18 - 8:10 PM EST

🇨🇦 VICTORIA DAY

💉 NATIONAL VACCINE AWARENESS DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: ,4,877,654

DEATHS: 319,957

CRITICAL: 44,761

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

DEATHS: 91,973

CRITICAL: 16,864

📊 STATS 4 U @ WORLDOMETER.COM

^^^ 🇺🇸 UNITED STATEs

Cases: 1,549,895

100K by Sunday

Is the Belgian poster still around? I haven’t seen any updates in a while.

Georgia fired their Covid data person and is fucking with the numbers to make it look like their case numbers are declining.

R276> That is what's so fucked up. They are lying to the public and infecting/killing people as a result.

With Georgia fiddling its COVID stats what better time for a dramatized reading of James and the Giant Peach! Featuring DL favorites Meryl Streep and the Hemsworth brothers.

Here’s an article about vitamin D deficiency and Covid.

I hope all the people who are out protesting social distancing and wearing masks have also taken the opportunity to sign a simple Advance Healthcare Directive saying that if they get the COVID they don't want to receive any medical treatment, or waste doctors' and nurses' time, or use up any other hospital resources trying to save their lives.

Hydroxychloriquine is a very cheap medicine(there in lies the problem probably)and according to several (international) doctors the only remedy. Most people who end up on ventilators die and it is not a solution.

R281 that's totally wrong, outdated information. One early study said it might be promising. Subsequent studies have shown it has little to no effect and may increase the likelihood of heart failure.

So far the only ACTUAL treatments that have science behind them are 1) antibody plasma transfusions and 2) the antiviral remdesivir. And they aren't a guarantee.

🤭 OMG ....She Said It Out Loud On National Television !

Nancy Pelosi says Trump shouldn't be self medicating with Hydroxychloriquine because of his age, and because he is [italic] Morbidly Obese.

And hydroxychloroquine is used for Lupus and patients now can’t get their meds because Trump has started a run on the stuff. Lupus is a very serious disease if not controlled, and not every person can change meds effectively. And it can be difficult to figure out the correct dose. Once somebody is stabilized, the last thing you want to do is fuck that up.

Lupus patients are having to live in fear that they can’t get their meds, because a *morbidly obese* person won’t leave their meds alone.

R284 isn’t it most commonly used for malaria? I’m sorry for the lupus patients but can people simply get hydroxychloroquine without a prescription in the US?

It's also commonly used to treat rheumatoid arthritis.

Hydroxychloroquine works very well on covid patients if its used properly. It needs to be given to patients early in the disease with erythromycin and zinc.

And a nice big syringe full of Pine-Sol.

R287 that’s what I have read too

R282 remdevisir has not been properly tested on humans. It worked for animals.

Anyway it would be great if there would be a proper treatment available anytime soo

Trump is just making up shit. He’s mentally infirm.

Guardian-More than three times as many people may have died from Covid-19 in Mexico City than have been accounted for in official estimates, according to death certificates issued since the start of Mexico’s epidemic, the Associated Press reports. The anti-corruption group Mexicans Against Corruption said in a report on that it got access to a database of death certificates issued in Mexico City between 18 March and 12 May. It showed doctors had included the words SARS, COV2, COV, Covid 19, or new coronavirus in explanatory notes attached to 4,577 certificates. The federal government acknowledges only 1,332 confirmed deaths from Covid-19 in Mexico City.

"The study showed that if the neutralising antibody was injected before the mice were infected with the virus, the mice stayed free of infection and no virus was detected."

CNN: Enlargement of one of the heart's four chambers -- the right ventricle -- was the best predictor of which patients with severe Covid-19 infections were most likely to die, doctors reported Monday.

Enlargement of the right ventricle was the only variable that was significantly associated with mortality in the group of Covid-19 patients studied.

"Clinicians can use bedside echocardiography as a readily available tool to identify patients with COVID-19 infection at the highest risk of adverse hospital outcomes," said a lead author on the study.

[quote]Georgia fired their Covid data person and is fucking with the numbers to make it look like their case numbers are declining.

And Florida fired the data scientist who designed the states Covid-19 dashboard because she refused to censor data and manipulate numbers to generate support for reopening.

R287 you are wrong. Stop spreading misinformation, Trumpista.

They are shameless with their lies, aren’t they?

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You say azythromycin, R287 says erythromycin....

Nearly 300 recovered coronavirus patients who tested positive a second time hadn’t infected others, South Korean health officials have found.

The preliminary findings, released Monday by the Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, give a boost to the notion that those infected with coronavirus develop immunity to the disease.

The officials monitored 285 recovered patients who again tested positive and found that none of the 790 people they came into contact with were infected with coronavirus.

As a result, South Korea lifted quarantine requirements for discharged patients, according to the Wall Street Journal. They also swapped out the term “relapse” for “redetected” in describing patients who tested positive again.

South Korea has a total of 11,065 confirmed cases of COVID-19.

More than 470 recovered patients have tested positive a second time and health officials have questioned whether the virus may have been reactivated, as opposed to patients being reinfected.

LA clothing brand putting Fauci, Cuomo and Newsom’s names on underwear

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 19 - 11:25 AM EST

🥕🍅🌽 PLANT A VEGETABLE GARDEN DAY

⛹️ NATIONAL BOYS CLUB DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,928,701

DEATHS: 320,964

CRITICAL: 45,145

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,544,951

DEATHS: 92,188

CRITICAL: 16,868

📊 WORLDOMETER.COM STATS

Coronavirus particles spread by talking can remain in the air for up to 14 minutes, researchers find

A recent study by researchers at the National Institutes of Health has found that particles of the coronavirus released by talking can remain in the air for 8 to 14 minutes, a warning sign that airborne transmission may be even more widespread than previously thought. While it’s been long accepted that coughing and sneezing can transmit respiratory viruses through droplets, it’s less known that just regular talking produces thousands of oral fluid droplets, the scientists behind the study said.

“There is a substantial probability that normal speaking causes airborne virus transmission in confined environments,” the research, published in last week’s edition of the peer-reviewed Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, concluded.

“Speech droplets generated by asymptomatic carriers of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) are increasingly considered to be a likely mode of disease transmission,” the study, entitled “The airborne lifetime of small speech droplets and their potential importance in SARS-CoV-2 transmission,” found.

And loud talkers present a bigger risk: “Highly sensitive laser light scattering observations have revealed that loud speech can emit thousands of oral fluid droplets per second,” it said.

While Covid-19 is less deadly than SARS, it is far more easily transmitted, and scientists are still working to understand the extent to which it can be spread and how long it can survive. This information has huge ramifications for how we interact with one another and what kinds of spaces and activities are considered safe.

The researchers used a closed, stagnant-air environment, and found that the droplets stop being visible after 8 minutes to 14 minutes, which they say “corresponds to droplet nuclei of ca. 4um (micrometers) diameter, or 12um to 21um droplets prior to dehydration.” One um, or micrometer, equals one millionth of a meter. The coronavirus is even tinier than that — a mind-bendingly small 0.125 um.

The velocity and length of time droplets stay in the air are also dependent on a range of factors, including the volume of the talker, their age, and how dry the speaker’s mouth is.

“Speech droplets generated by asymptomatic carriers of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) are increasingly considered to be a likely mode of disease transmission,” the study found. “Highly sensitive laser light scattering observations have revealed that loud speech can emit thousands of oral fluid droplets per second.”

Public transport and rooms with poor ventilation are considered high-risk areas for this kind of transmission. Scientific studies continue to produce new and sometimes varying findings on the fast-spreading coronavirus — scientists at Princeton University, UCLA and the National Institutes of Health reported in the New England Journal of Medicine that the virus could survive for up to three hours in the air “post aerosolization.”

And a team of researchers at the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in Beijing found that droplets can travel as far as 13 feet, meaning that many governments’ social-distancing recommendations of six feet may not be enough.

States are grappling with this information as they try to balance reopening their economies after months of lockdown with ensuring the safety of their populations. The respiratory virus has infected more than 4.8 million people worldwide and killed more than 300,000.

Coronavirus particles spread by talking can remain in the air for up to 14 minutes, researchers find

A recent study by researchers at the National Institutes of Health has found that particles of the coronavirus released by talking can remain in the air for 8 to 14 minutes, a warning sign that airborne transmission may be even more widespread than previously thought. While it’s been long accepted that coughing and sneezing can transmit respiratory viruses through droplets, it’s less known that just regular talking produces thousands of oral fluid droplets, the scientists behind the study said.

“There is a substantial probability that normal speaking causes airborne virus transmission in confined environments,” the research, published in last week’s edition of the peer-reviewed Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, concluded.

“Speech droplets generated by asymptomatic carriers of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) are increasingly considered to be a likely mode of disease transmission,” the study, entitled “The airborne lifetime of small speech droplets and their potential importance in SARS-CoV-2 transmission,” found.

And loud talkers present a bigger risk: “Highly sensitive laser light scattering observations have revealed that loud speech can emit thousands of oral fluid droplets per second,” it said.

While Covid-19 is less deadly than SARS, it is far more easily transmitted, and scientists are still working to understand the extent to which it can be spread and how long it can survive. This information has huge ramifications for how we interact with one another and what kinds of spaces and activities are considered safe.

The researchers used a closed, stagnant-air environment, and found that the droplets stop being visible after 8 minutes to 14 minutes, which they say “corresponds to droplet nuclei of ca. 4um (micrometers) diameter, or 12um to 21um droplets prior to dehydration.” One um, or micrometer, equals one millionth of a meter. The coronavirus is even tinier than that — a mind-bendingly small 0.125 um.

The velocity and length of time droplets stay in the air are also dependent on a range of factors, including the volume of the talker, their age, and how dry the speaker’s mouth is.

“Speech droplets generated by asymptomatic carriers of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) are increasingly considered to be a likely mode of disease transmission,” the study found. “Highly sensitive laser light scattering observations have revealed that loud speech can emit thousands of oral fluid droplets per second.”

Public transport and rooms with poor ventilation are considered high-risk areas for this kind of transmission. Scientific studies continue to produce new and sometimes varying findings on the fast-spreading coronavirus — scientists at Princeton University, UCLA and the National Institutes of Health reported in the New England Journal of Medicine that the virus could survive for up to three hours in the air “post aerosolization.”

And a team of researchers at the Academy of Military Medical Sciences in Beijing found that droplets can travel as far as 13 feet, meaning that many governments’ social-distancing recommendations of six feet may not be enough.

States are grappling with this information as they try to balance reopening their economies after months of lockdown with ensuring the safety of their populations. The respiratory virus has infected more than 4.8 million people worldwide and killed more than 300,000.

Is the WHO still not recommending wearing masks? Useless fucking cunts!----

CNBC @CNBC · 27m Wearing a mask can reduce coronavirus transmission by 75%, new study claims

The U.S. outpaces the rest of world in newly reported cases.

Lolz

Today, Trump declared they would be going after Virginia's crazy governor because, and I am not making this up, "You'll have nobody guarding your potatoes."

He does know that Virginia and Idaho are different places, right?

WJZ | CBS Baltimore @wjz · 9m NEW: Beginning Thursday, some coronavirus testing sites in Maryland will begin allowing people to get tested without an appointment and without a doctor's referral, Gov. Larry Hogan's office said.

You are a moron, R307. You don't play the Data Lounge game well. Not at all.

There is a large amount of potato farming all along the East Coast. And there has been for a long, long, time.

Trump also asked a Virginia potato farmer if he could grow Idaho potatoes. That might have been a better choice for you. His dig about guarding the potatoes was about the Democratically controlled Virginia government creating some minimal gun control rules. No armed guards for potatoes.

There was rich material in that press conference. You blew it, R307.

4ocean @4ocean · 8m Here’s some positive news for your Tuesday: Global CO2 emissions are down by 17% as a result of coronavirus lockdowns!

Here's some bad news R310...both the CO2 and deaths will go up starting now. Worst of all worlds. That should be Trump's motto.

R275 Thank you for your concern. I am alive and kicking here in Belgium! Although we have the most deaths per capita, the situation is slowly improving. Spending a lot of time with my four adorable dogs and taking it day by day.

CNN:

By Memorial Day weekend, all states will be partially reopened despite at least 17 recording upward case trends

The 3 countries with idiots in charge (Brazil, UK, US), have the most reported deaths so far today. Brazil is leading the way with nearly 700 deaths already reported. It is going to be a long day/night.

R296. They certainly are but excess death analysis is the key! Surprisingly, the excess deaths for the red states was in line with the early figures for Covid-19 deaths as reported in the New York Times. Nothing was out of order. It will be interesting to see the updated figures for the past few weeks once the data is available. Fortunately, this is not China or Russia where shit like this is swept under the rug. The data is public and it will be thoroughly analyzed by multiple sources.

Watch out for India! So far, they have only performed 2.4M tests out of a population of nearly 1 4B. By comparison, the US (330M population) has performed 12.5M tests. Even with the limited data, cases and deaths have increased in recent days.

+1000 deaths already now in the US. The weekend reporting lag. Just ask the UK about this.

Nicole Wallace interviewed a reporter today who said an investigation is underway that Florida has been fudging it's numbers to fewer cases/deaths.

WSJ:

States Ask U.S. for Repayment Over Marked-Up Coronavirus Supplies

Can’t we create a continent for sane people

Bloomberg QuickTake @QuickTake · 40m Trump says he's considering a ban on travel from Brazil after it became the third country with the most cases of coronavirus

ABC News @ABC · 3h France's highest administrative court rules Paris police could no longer use drones to surveil public compliance with coronavirus-related restrictions.

Twitter Moments @TwitterMoments · 17h Historical sites, churches and beaches in Greece were re-opened to the public for the first time in months.

Donald fucking Trump knew this was coming! He is doing everything possible to distract people from his failures. Can somebody please end this? Please! I will sleep better knowing that he is no longer in this world that we live in

Are any of you letting your housekeepers clean your house? I'm thinking about restarting with mine at the end of the month. I can't go much longer than that.

I wish there were a Corona Graph Troll 📈📉 . If there were, they'd post useful daily stuff like daily cases and daily deaths.

R325. No and no. Cleaning my own house!

Don't despair, R307/R309/DJT. I have it under control.

Qatar Airways flight attendants to wear hazmat suits on flights

Peanuts, pretzels — and PPE.

Flight attendants with Qatar Airways will wear disposable hazmat suits, safety googles, gloves and masks over their uniforms to help prevent the spread of coronavirus, the airline announced this week.

The safety measures coincide with efforts to limit crew members’ interactions with passengers, who will be required to wear masks on board starting May 25.

Passengers in business class will have the option of hitting the “Do not disturb” sign if they want to limit contact. And meals in business class will be served on a tray, instead of the usual table setup, and cutlery will come wrapped.

Bottles of hand sanitizer will also be made available in galleys for crew members and passengers.

Cabin crew have been wearing the personal protective equipment for weeks now, the airline said. Crew members have received training on preventing the spread of COVID-19 and are thermally screened before and after flights.

“As an airline, we maintain the highest possible hygiene standards to ensure that we can fly people home safely during this time and provide even greater reassurance that safety is our number one priority,” said Qatar Airways CEO Akbar Al Baker.

Other airlines including Philippines Airlines and AirAsia are also requiring their crew to wear PPE.

r326 I did supply a day's stats for six countries once, a direct answer to a question here. It was ignored as at least a third of the DLers' cranial hamster-wheels spin off when they read anything longer than three lines.

[quote] A recent study by researchers at the National Institutes of Health has found that particles of the coronavirus released by talking can remain in the air for 8 to 14 minutes, a warning sign that airborne transmission may be even more widespread than previously thought. While it’s been long accepted that coughing and sneezing can transmit respiratory viruses through droplets, it’s less known that just regular talking produces thousands of oral fluid droplets, the scientists behind the study said.

But how many individual virus particles (virions) does it take to get infected? And how many are there in a few droplets in the air? I thought a sneeze released millions of virions, making coughs and sneezes highly infectious.

Glad to hear that R312. Well wishes to you and your 4 dogs.

AXIOS: 35 of the 92 people (38%) who attended services at a rural Arkansas church March 6–11 tested positive for the coronavirus, ultimately killing three, according to a case study released Tuesday by the CDC.

Contact tracing found that an additional 26 people were infected after interacting with attendees of the church, and one person from that group died.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 19 - 7:10 PM EST

🌽🍅🥕 PLANT A VEGETABLE GARDEN DAY

⛹️ NATIONAL BOYS CLUB DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,980,269

DEATHS: 324,432

CRITICAL: 45,068

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,569,632

DEATHS: 93,466

CRITICAL: 16,888

📊 STATS @ WORLDOMETER.COM

100 workers at 3 Louisiana crawfish farms have coronavirus

The stricken employees, from three farms in the state’s Acadiana region, include migrant workers but state officials released no details on how they may have contracted the potentially deadly bug.

Nothing says "I love Jesus" like killing your constituents

It’s all gravy, baby.....woooohooo! Those are some ample broads ready to PAR-TAYYY.

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The Edenville Dam in Midland, Michigan has collapsed and there are calls for evacuation for the surrounding areas and shelters are opening up. I wonder how many Covid cases will come out of people not being able to social distance.

[bold] Per Associated Press - Trump allies lining up doctors to prescribe rapid reopening[/bold]

Pay no attention to the Trump doctors on TV.

A study of hundreds of coronavirus patients at US veterans health administration medical centers showed those treated with the anti-malaria drug, which Trump has repeatedly promoted, were no less likely to need a ventilator and actually saw a higher death rate. The president criticized the negative hydroxychloroquine study as a “Trump enemy statement.” 🙄

[bold]Update: Florida Health Department manager told to delete coronavirus data forced to resign, she says [/bold]

She said she was offered a settlement and the option to resign in lieu of being fired.

Hmm. Doesn’t it seem like True Blood where the Russians, corporations, fundamentalists and right wing are taking over? They are dismantling media, national and counter intelligence, oversight, justice and science. I can’t stress enough how much Trump is a Russian stooge. Everything that’s happening is from the Russian playbook.

I never see it mentioned anywhere in the media that the reason all these churches are so eager to open and kill their parishioners and their families is so they can start passing that collection plate again. Gotta make their money!

[QUOTE] Doesn’t it seem like True Blood where the Russians, corporations, fundamentalists and right wing are taking over?

Fucktard, you sound so dumb lumping all those people together. Right wing AND Russians? Moron.

Over 5M reported cases now according to Worldometer.

I was always ambivalent about stupid right wingers unnecessarily exposing themselves to the virus. I was kinda glad because they would get sick and die. However, the fact they would expose countless others to the virus made me realize this was not something I could be happy about.

But if they decide to dose themselves with hydroxychloroquine and start dying in vast numbers, I am TOTALLY fine with that. The more, the better. All would be great.

@ R325, Yes, she came to clean yesterday. I just left the house while she was there. Have done similar with other workers who have come in for various repairs.

R337 the sheriff warned, “have a good time, but don’t get silly. Our jail has lots of holes to fill” By the way is it the norm now for young women to be that heavy? Sheriff Quote ~1:15

Fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a bumpy foreseeable future.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 20 - 8:30 AM EST

🐕 NATIONAL RESCUE DOG DAY

🍓 NATIONAL PICK STRAWBERRIES DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 5,011,405

DEATHS: 325,457

CRITICAL: 45,421

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,571,131

DEATHS: 93,558

CRITICAL: 17,249

📊 STATS: WORLDOMETER.COM

While touching infected surfaces has always been part of the messaging on how the COVID-19 spreads, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently shifted its stance online. The CDC now says that COVID-19 spreads from person to person contact, and then lists touching infected surfaces under a section titled, "The virus does not spread easily in other ways." The CDC adds: “This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about this virus.” The language is a subtle change from the organization’s warning in early March, when it wrote simply that it “may be possible” to spread the virus through contaminated surfaces.

That's lovely, R352, and thank you for posting it. It is an interesting read.

But Donald Fucking Trump is in charge of the CDC and that newly revised message reads like just the message he would want to push as he agitates for opening up business across the country. I will not be looking to the CDC for guidance for the duration of his purloined presidency.

Just imagine how US numbers will skyrocket after Memorial Day (May 25), Father's Day (June 21), and the 4th of July.

Or not, R354. Look at Florida. There is no reason for numbers to cause problems. for GOP governors. They just record their own numbers.

[quote]Our jail has lots of holes to fill

Pics please.

[quote]I will not be looking to the CDC for guidance for the duration of his purloined presidency.

Sadly, I agree. We're at the point where we can trust nothing that originates from within this administration when it comes to this virus (and anything else, for that matter). Each of us is really on our own in terms of navigating through this. We're not getting good guidance or assistance from the government. Businesses are rushing to reopen without implementing necessary safety protocols. Too many of our fellow citizens are not complying with recommended public health measures.

It's going to become increasingly difficult to avoid infection. Just hope you're one of the 80% who experience "mild to moderate" symptoms.

CNN: In interviews with CNN, CDC officials say their agency's efforts to mount a coordinated response to the Covid-19 pandemic have been hamstrung by a White House whose decisions are driven by politics rather than science.

The result has worsened the effects of the crisis, sources inside the CDC say, relegating the 73-year-old agency that has traditionally led the nation's response to infectious disease to a supporting role.

"We've been muzzled," said a current CDC official. "What's tough is that if we would have acted earlier on what we knew and recommended, we would have saved lives and money."

For example: In the early weeks of the US coronavirus outbreak, CDC staff members had tracked a growing number of transmissions in Europe and elsewhere, and proposed a global advisory that would alert flyers to the dangers of air travel.

But about a week passed before the alert was issued publicly -- crucial time lost when about 66,000 European travelers were streaming into American airports every day.

The Netherlands will start checking all mink farms in the country for the coronavirus after research from an ongoing probe found a person probably caught it from an infected animal.

Screening of mink for antibodies will be mandatory in "the interest of the health of employees", the Dutch government said in a statement late on Tuesday (May 19). A farm worker was infected with a strain that was genetically similar to one circulating among mink, suggesting the animals were the source.

The minks strike back.

The right wing and Russians are linked, whether they want to admit or not. It’s all about chaos, control and dismantling democracy.

r281, you are fully packed with shit. Hydroxychloroquine isn't proven to help COVID-19 patients and it has potentially lethal side effects. Trump's promotion of it is about on the same level as his advice to inject yourself with bleach or hack open your chest so that the sunlight can shine on your lungs.

This doesn't sound good.

r360 - Shit!

R362 it never had anything to do with Trump. I couldn’t care less about your idiot president(yes I do feel for America having to suffer this guy). People have taken this medicine for years for malaria and rheumatoid artritis for example. While patients were fine using it the past 40 years now it’s all of a sudden become a dangerous medicine? It doesn’t make any sense.

R362 it never had anything to do with Trump. I couldn’t care less about your idiot president(yes I do feel for America having to suffer this guy). People have taken this medicine for years for malaria and rheumatoid artritis for example. While patients were fine using it the past 40 years now it’s all of a sudden become a dangerous medicine? It doesn’t make any sense.

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Florida Scientist Says She Was Ousted After Refusing To Manipulate State’s COVID-19 Data | MSNBC

R345 The Russians and the American right-wing have been best friends for at least the last 5 or 6 years. Have you not been paying ANY attention?

Ugh. I hate this hiding the data shit. I hope all the FL/GA/LA etc. Covid numbers come out somehow.

Interesting news about New Orleans reported in Forbes yesterday:

New Orleans, which once held the unfortunate distinction of having the highest per capita coronavirus death rate of any city in the country, hasn’t reported a new death from coronavirus in the past three days — highlighting a remarkable turnaround for a city that was one of the hardest hit during the early weeks of the coronavirus outbreak.

R371 Maybe everyone who had it died, thus halting the spread. Or else science will soon reveal that overpriced rum drinks cure COVID.

Director Michael Bay is cashing in on the increasingly viral pandemic movie craze with a bleak new thriller about a virus that never goes away. The Paramount film’s announcement comes just as world governments are starting to reopen in anticipation of the end of the coronavirus scourge.

The dystopian downer, entitled “Songbird,” will purportedly depict a world just two years in the future where the pandemic has mutated into something even worse after lockdowns are lifted prematurely, reports Deadline.

Not much is disclosed beyond that, however the apocalyptic flick will reportedly be in the vein of films like “Cloverfield” and “Paranormal Activity,” sans the supernatural elements. Instead, Deadline suggests that the more realistic “Songbird” will be rife with “government conspiracy and paranoia” much like the prescient pandemic thriller “Contagion.”

The IHME model has changed a bit. You have to click the "Trend" tab to see the way the data was previously presented. The default display "Compare" now shows comparative deaths per 100,000 instead of total deaths, which is in the "Trend" tab.

On the Compare tab or Map tab, you can compare deaths per 100,000 of various countries.

For example, PROJECTED deaths per 100,000

Italy: 58

Sweden: 56

United Kingdom: 64

Canada: 31

France: 47

US: 44

R370. The hiding problem is all over the world. Not just in the 3 states that you mention. No government wants to show a regression now, especially as they start to open back up. It would be political suicide. As a result, this is the most dangerous time of the pandemic. Wear your masks, wash your hands and don't believe ANYTHING that you read or hear.

Madame Speaker...

CBS NEWS: Day two back on the job for thousands of workers at Chicago’s Ford assembly plant did not go as planned. Many were forced to leave early after two employees tested positive for COVID-19.

CBS 2’s Charlie De Mar spoke with some employees who have mixed feelings about being back on the line. Some of those employees, of course, are thrilled to be back working and earning a paycheck, but they are asking at what cost to their own health and safety?

“I’m worried right now,” said employee Timothy Shy. “This is the second day, and we are already hearing about this.” Production was temporarily halted at part of the facility and the main plant.

So much for that herd immunity bullshit

Guardian-Just over 7% of people in Stockholm are carrying antibodies that would protect them against coronavirus infection, a survey by Sweden’s public health authority has found. The findings come from the first results of the agency’s investigation into the presence of antibodies against the virus in the population. They will be likely to be seized upon by critics of Sweden’s “herd immunity” strategy. The country has eschewed the kinds of lockdowns imposed by government’s elsewhere in the world to curb the spread of the virus, in favour of allowing it to spread throughout the population in the hope that natural immunity will be achieved.

Research teams led by a Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center vaccine specialist have published two studies of laboratory monkeys that suggest coronavirus antibodies provide protection, whether they are triggered by an infection or a vaccine.

Both studies, which appear to be among the first peer-reviewed papers studying immunity to COVID-19 in primates, were published Wednesday in the journal Science.

“We have to be careful about making predictions for humans,” said Dr. Dan Barouch, head of Beth Israel’s Center for Virology and Vaccine Research. "But I can say these data increase our optimism that natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity can be achieved in humans.”

Research teams led by a Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center vaccine specialist have published two studies of laboratory monkeys that suggest coronavirus antibodies provide protection, whether they are triggered by an infection or a vaccine.

Both studies, which appear to be among the first peer-reviewed papers studying immunity to COVID-19 in primates, were published Wednesday in the journal Science.

“We have to be careful about making predictions for humans,” said Dr. Dan Barouch, head of Beth Israel’s Center for Virology and Vaccine Research. "But I can say these data increase our optimism that natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity can be achieved in humans.”

Reuters:

WHO reports most coronavirus cases in a day as cases approach 5 million

R381, FUCK CHINA! CHINA should be nuked to bits!

They have a dog meat eating festival every year! Need I say more?!

Damn, I wouldn’t want to buy a car built over the course of weeks and weeks with stop and go and sick employees.

“Now, where did we leave off a month ago on those breaks and that steering thingie...”

Just scheduled Covid 19 and antibody tests at my doctor's office. I had to do a phone Covid-19 questionnaire and doctor Zoom before the tests could even be ordered.

Please don't, r382. And if you do, please use your indoor voice.

Just a reminder...

I don't like the idea either, R382. But do be on the watch for angry Hindus with nuclear weapons. They might not think highly of your food choices.

‘How Can I Be Sick?’ Woman Who Took Hydroxychloroquine For 19 Years To Treat Lupus Still Got COVID-19

Even though she took precautions when leaving the house for the grocery store, she thought she would be safe because of what President Donald Trump has said about the drug. Then she tested positive for COVID-19.

“When they gave the diagnosis, I felt like it was a death sentence. I was like, ‘I’m going to die,'” she said. “I’m like, ‘How can I be sick? How? I’m on the hydroxychloroquine.’ They were like, ‘Well, nobody’s ever said that was the cure or that was going to keep you safe’ and it definitely did not.”

Songbird!?! They stole the title!

Reuters:

Michigan hit with '500-year' flooding in midst of COVID-19 pandemic

AP-NORC poll: Americans harbor strong fear of new infections

Strong concern about a second wave of coronavirus infections is reinforcing widespread opposition among Americans to reopening public places, a new poll finds, even as many state leaders step up efforts to return to life before the pandemic.

A new poll finds that 83% of Americans are at least somewhat concerned that lifting restrictions in their area will lead to additional infections, with 54% saying they are very or extremely concerned that such steps will result in a spike of COVID-19 cases.

[quote]Michigan hit with '500-year' flooding in midst of COVID-19 pandemic

Do you think we're living in the end times depicted in the book of Revelations?

I told my doctor I had random mild chills and 99 degree temp for 2 months and she said I have to get the Covid test first, as a precaution - wait for anti-body test 3 weeks later if positive, antibody test next week if negative. Good thing is, Covid test results in 15 mins! So glad it is not a 2-3 week wait anymore. Going Friday morning. Dreading the nasal swab😣

Good luck, NYCTechie.

Texas church that rushed to reopen cancels masses after priest dies

R395 I know it's not funny but I laughed.

Thanks SylviaFowler!

[R394] NYCTechie I got tested two weeks ago and was negative. The nurse who stuck the swabs up my nose was a grouchy Russian. She was very annoyed I kept flinching. Not pleasant, but good to have some certainty.

[quote]The nurse who stuck the swabs up my nose was a grouchy Russian.

Pics please.

WaPo: Nearly 860,000 additional travelers flocked to parts of Maryland and Virginia over the weekend as the states began to reopen Friday, according to researchers tracking smartphone data. Many were from the Washington suburbs, which remained shut down due to their significantly higher coronavirus caseloads, the data shows.

“It’s a really bad scenario,” said Lei Zhang, lead researcher on the University of Maryland project.

By reopening some parts of states considered at lower risk ahead of coronavirus hot spots, Zhang said, “It actively encourages people to travel from high-risk areas to these otherwise safer, more rural areas without many cases. That’s certainly not a good trend.”

70% of all deaths in Pennsylvania occurred in nursing homes.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 20 - 7:45 PM EST

🐕 NATIONAL RESCUE DOG DAY

🍓 NATIONAL PICK STRAWBERRIES DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 5,079,895

DEATHS: 329,180

CRITICAL: 45,798

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,591,252

DEATHS: 94,918

📊 STATS @ WORLDOMETER.COM

CRITICAL: 17,810

Good luck R384. I have a colonoscopy scheduled for Tuesday and the nurse called to say I have to have the test before so I am hoping to be able to do it out here on Long Island rather than losing a day traveling into the city just for that.

I really don't get the big rush to reopen churches. Didn't Jesus say to go pray in your closet -- ALONE.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy

closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray

to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father

which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Seems like self-isolation would be just peachy.

I think those “have to pray in front of the world” people see church as a social occasion and want to dress up and show off to their friends. And the pastors are pushing attendance because they want money. And a lot of them are Trumpers and anything a Democrat or scientist says is wrong.

So if a Democrat says, “oh please don’t kill yourself,” their answer is “I’m going to kill myself and I’m going to drag as many with me as I possibly can, and you can’t stop me!” If they were only killing Republicans I wouldn’t complain,

If they had any brains, the pastors would find a way for people to tithe online or over the phone, for the elderly. Don’t those television preachers have people call in with their credit card numbers?

Not every church is full of covidiots. My church will continue having on-line services for the foreseeable future even if the governor starts allowing in person. It isn’t ideal, but it is the right thing to do. We are talking about moving the streaming from the parsonage to the sanctuary and having the two members who don’t do technology sit on opposite sides way in the back (at least 20 feet apart), but that is as far as our recklessness extends.

New Harvard research shows that the virus finds it hard to transmit in temperatures over 77f. So the spastic braindead cunt upthread can fuck off. No coincidence that Italy and Spain are practically over the epidemic while the tepid UK flounders on.

[quote] [[R394]] NYCTechie I got tested two weeks ago and was negative. The nurse who stuck the swabs up my nose was a grouchy Russian. She was very annoyed I kept flinching. Not pleasant, but good to have some certainty.

Did you get tested three times? If not, I wouldn't bank on too much certainty.

[quote]New Harvard research shows that the virus finds it hard to transmit in temperatures over 77f. So the spastic braindead cunt upthread can fuck off. No coincidence that Italy and Spain are practically over the epidemic while the tepid UK flounders on.

Brazil would like a word.

R407, the Harvard research found that higher temperatures somewhat lowered transmission.

[quote] New Harvard research shows that the virus finds it hard to transmit in temperatures over 77f.

Better turn off the AC and run some fans this summer then.

Wow, you really misinterpreted that research, R407. Or did you intentionally misrepresent it?

Did the Russian Nurse offer you a shot of vodka to ease the pain?

What's the best site for Covid deaths? I've been using Worldmeters.info but it's always higher than other websites like CDC.gov or covid19.healthdata.org.

Worldometer updates constantly in real time, 24/7.

What is the accuracy of the do-it-yourself test kits?

Does anyone really shove the giant Qtip far enough up their nose to get trusted results?

[quote]I really don't get the big rush to reopen churches.

Collection plates don't fill themselves, now do they?

[bold]The French Connection: Trump Family Trusts Are Invested in Hydroxychloroquine Maker[/bold]

(Cause you knew there was an angle)

That's the rumor that was floating around back when the so-called wonder drug made its appearance, R418. There was also a panic over the fact that " someone" was buying the drug in mass quantities, and shortages were reported. Guess we now know who that "special someone" was.

[quote]Didn't Jesus say to go pray in your closet?

Always suspected the fucker was a closet queen.

Wow, these threads have really slowed to a crawl.

Corona the Barbarian.

R421 That's because some huge percentage of Americans think it's all over. The rest of us are just in a holding pattern until the next wave hits.

How about The China Syndrome. 'People who know the meaning of the China syndrome are scared - now you are living it'

So far my university is adamant that their goal is to have all (20,000+) students return in the fall. SOMEhow, they claim that they're going to acquire enough PPE for all of the staff (HAHAHA), limit classes to 15 students, and forbid any other meetings of more than 10 people. Oh, and ramp up cleaning. I think I find the last bit hardest to believe; we have to put in a requisition months in advance to have our damned office suite vacuumed in normal times!

They plan to set limits on the number of people in elevators (enforceable how??), and in particular, cap off my 36-story building at the 5th floor. People with offices above 5 (such as yours truly) will be allowed to work in them, but there will be no classes held in the upper floors to limit elevator use.

And finally, we're supposed to forbid anyone to use our department kitchenette. So not only do they expect us to come to work in a plague-infested campus, but we have to skip lunch too? None of us get paid enough for this bollocks.

My office is planning on a limited re-opening and has offered us the right to choose whether to return or work from home.

On a conference call, they said that before ANYONE can return the entire office will be deep cleaned and sanitized. When asked if that would become standard procedure, we were advised that such a program would be cost prohibitive.

R426 My department head thinks that if we don't make at least some show of being present on the campus and carrying on our normal functions, we'll seem unessential and get the axe in the coming budget cuts. Fair enough, but I argued strenuously for staggered staffing so that we each only have to go to the office one or two days per week. He seemed open to it for now. If he changes his mind, I'm going to look into how to get myself clinically diagnosed with PTSD so I can stay at home.

[quote]Oh, and ramp up cleaning. I think I find the last bit hardest to believe;

Yeah, I don't believe any business/organization that trumpets increased cleaning and sanitations procedures. It may – may – happen for a week or two but it will quickly fall by the wayside.

I had to go to doctor to check a lump and the place was filthy. People coughing, a guy who looked terrible came in to ask where to get checked for coronavirus, uh the giant white tent outside? Had to touch about 50 doorknobs. It was not good.

R427 You have to actually have PTSD. You could easily be diagnosed with OCD or GAD given you're willing to the measure of faking a mental disorder to avoid going out in public- itself a symptom of disorder.

R425 Your University is trying to limit the number of students it loses in the fall.

There is ZERO need to "deep clean" offices that have been empty for weeks.

R421 ........

We're simply and inevitably suffering from CFS

😵 [italic] Corona Fatigue Syndrome

The Moscow Times is reporting that Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, who led an anti-LGBT purge in his country, has been flown to Moscow and is hospitalized with the coronavirus.

I'm #TeamCorona on that one.

I shopped @ Aldi's yesterday, and they always have someone outside sanitizing grocery carts and monitoring the number of people entering and exiting the store. It was a good experience not having the store crowded, and their shelves were very well stocked with all products, including fresh meat. As always, reasonable pricing. Plexiglass Shields @ every check out.

This is the only grocery store in my area actually living up to their promise of customer and employee safety.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 21 - 10:10 AM EST

🚑 EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES DAY

🤡 RED NOSE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 5,123,414

DEATHS: 330,798

CRITICAL: 45,698

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,595,081

DEATHS: 95,016

CRITICAL: 17,815

📊 STATS: WORLDOMETER.COM

R434 Thoughts and prayers.

R432, don’t knock the deep cleaning, some of those places are probably never cleaned. The cleaning comes in to rid the place of roaches that crawled up the dry pipes after weeks of vacancy, drawn in by the smell of soda drips and cookie crumbs.

Another bad sign for the fall/winter

Guardian-If Sweden was disappointed with the results of its seroprevalence studies for Covid-19 antibodies, its close neighbour Denmark, which did institute a strict lockdown, is even worse off. A study reported on Wednesday shows that only about 1% of Danes had contracted the coronavirus, raising concerns that the country is vulnerable to a second wave. The report was released by the Danish health agency SSI, which operates under the health ministry and is responsible for the surveillance of infectious diseases, AFP reported. Out of 2,600 randomly selected Danes, 1,071 had so far agreed to be tested for antibodies. Only 12 of those tested positive, corresponding to a rate of about 1.1%.

[quote] So far my university is adamant that their goal is to have all (20,000+) students return in the fall.

Colleges that think they can safely return to face to face instruction in the fall are delusional. I was watching an interview on MSNBC yesterday with some idiot who said he is a "consultant" to schools that are deciding what to do in the fall. He claimed that universities can definitely have students return in the fall as long as they reduce class sizes and keep students a safe distance apart. He insisted that can easily be accomplished by holding some classes outdoors, scheduling some classes at night and on weekends, and dividing large classes into multiple smaller sections.

College classes outdoors? In the fall and winter? When it's raining or snowing? With no access to computers, whiteboards, labs, etc.? Yeah, that'll work.

Classes on weekends and at night? Yeah, I'm sure students won't mind that their class that was supposed to meet Monday and Wednesday at 2 p.m. now meets Saturday and Sunday at 8 p.m. They'll definitely show up for those classes.

Dividing classes into multiple sections? Yeah, faculty will love it when they find out that instead of teaching 4 classes in the fall, they're now being asked to teach 12 or 16 -- including nights and weekends.

NYU is planning to have in person classes this fall, heard that on the news but don't know how it will work.

New dining bubble a potential coronavirus solution for restaurants

A new dining bubble that resembles the Cone of Silence from the 1960’s TV series “Get Smart” can serve as a safe haven from the coronavirus when restaurants begin opening up, according to a report.

Christophe Gernigon, who invented the see-through contraption called the Plex’Eat, said designs that were already on the market looked like booths in prison visiting rooms.

“I wanted to make it more glamorous, more pretty,” he told Reuters about his invention, which will go into production next week.

Gernigon said he has already received interest from France, Belgium, Canada, Japan and Argentina.

The Plex’Eat, which hangs from a cable on the ceiling, features a scoop cut out of the back that allows a diner to sit and stand up without having to bend over.

France is beginning to ease some of the restrictions it imposed to curb the spread of the coronavirus, but the government has not yet given the green light to restaurants and bars to reopen because they pose particular problems for disease control.

Customers can’t eat while wearing a face mask, and if tables are removed to ensure diners are a safe distance from each other, many business owners say they would not be able to make enough money to cover their expenses.

Mathieu Manzoni, owner of the H.A.N.D restaurant near Paris’ Louvre museum, invited Gernigon this week to hear his pitch about the device.

He said he was planning to place an order.

“Will people like it? I can’t say but I want to believe that it can add something because I find it fun,” Manzoni said in his eatery, which is only open for takeout orders.

Cambridge University in the UK has said that all lectures will be online until this time next year.

Chinese city of Shulan now under Wuhan-like coronavirus lockdown

The northeastern Chinese city of Shulan is now under a Wuhan-like lockdown as it battles its own coronavirus outbreak, according to new reports.

All villages and residential compounds in the city of 700,000, located in Jilin province near the Russian border, were closed off Monday afternoon, its coronavirus prevention and control group said in a statement obtained by the South China Morning Post.

One person per household is allowed to leave every other day for two hours to buy necessities, according to the statement. No one is permitted to enter or leave villages or compounds with suspected or confirmed coronavirus cases, and local stores are delivering necessary supplies to those residents.

Another nearby city, Jiaohe, introduced protective measures Tuesday due to “severe circumstances” in the areas surrounding it, according to the Guardian.

China’s northeast region, which borders Russia and North Korea, is the latest area of concern in the country, as cases appear to have been brought in from elsewhere before spreading locally.

The virus is manifesting differently among patients in the northeast, Qiu Haibo, a top critical care doctor, told state television Tuesday, according to Bloomberg.

Patients there are showing mostly lung damage, while Wuhan patients experienced multi-organ damage across the heart, kidneys and stomach, he said.

Additionally, they take a longer time to develop symptoms upon infection, and appear to carry the virus for a lengthier period before testing negative, according to Haibo.

[quote]There is ZERO need to "deep clean" offices that have been empty for weeks.

I deep clean for you, no worry!

The virus is long dead in those empty offices, but who knows what else has grown in the meantime.

Everyone's waistlines r447.

🤔 Why don't people care if they die from their own stupidity?

[quote]People have taken this medicine for years for malaria and rheumatoid artritis for example. While patients were fine using it the past 40 years now it’s all of a sudden become a dangerous medicine?

It has never been safe. That's why it's not given for mild to moderate cases. My friend with severe lupus has been on it for 12 years and is going blind as a result. One of my supervisors was on it for 3 weeks and developed a heart issue that never went away, even though they switched her to another medication. I was also a candidate for it but my doctor didn't feel my arthritis is serious enough to warrant the risk. It's not harmless and people shouldn't get their information on drug safety from a guy who thinks injecting disinfectants is a viable option.

I’m bringing my own bleach spray/ wipes when i have to go in June 1. Our office manager is a trumper so I don’t trust that she will care about having the office cleaned right.

Luckily I don’t have to go in the office more than 1x a week.

Never stop being you, Florida!

NBC News @NBCNews · 1m A huge spike in coronavirus cases in the Middle East leads countries to extend and reinforce lockdown measures to prevent its spread during this weekend's Eid holiday.

The White House @WhiteHouse · 31m We've sent $2.6 billion to support those fighting Coronavirus on the front lines in Michigan.

NBC News @NBCNews · 25m NEW: Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will start allowing many of its 50,000 employees and new recruits to work from home on a permanent basis, adding to the companies that have embraced decentralized work during the coronavirus pandemic.

Rebecca Ballhaus @rebeccaballhaus

· 17m Fresh data from Michigan, one of the states hardest hit by the new coronavirus, show that a testing shortfall there is likely fueling a substantial undercount of deaths attributed to Covid-19, a @WSJ analysis shows.

Thank you Donald fucking Trump!

Guardian-Had the US begun social distancing just one week earlier, the country would have prevented 36,000 deaths through early May, according to researchers at Columbia University, writes Kenya Evelyn in Washington for the Guardian US. Had action been taken two weeks earlier, by 1 March, 54,000 fewer Americans would have died of the virus, the researchers determined. “It’s a big, big difference,” Jeffrey Shaman, an epidemiologist at Columbia and the leader of the research team, told the New York Times. “That small moment in time, catching it in that growth phase, is incredibly critical in reducing the number of deaths.”

Can someone please just shoot him in the head?! He is a clear and present danger to the people of United States and to the world at large.

BBC-More than 3,600 cases of disinfectant exposure were reported in April to the US poison control centres, compared to 1,676 in February. Experts warn against using cleaning products beyond their intended use, such as wiping down groceries. Dr Kelly Johnson-Arbor from the National Capital Poison Center said there was no medical reason to be "drinking or bathing in disinfectants". In April, President Trump seemed to suggest injecting bleach as way of "cleaning" Covid-19 from the inside. But the next day, he told journalists: "I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen."

The Hill @thehill · 2m Mount Everest visible from more than 120 miles away after coronavirus lockdown clears air

This needs to be a thing everywhere.

Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk · 25m 1 in 44 people in New York City have tested positive for coronavirus, 1 in 165 people in New York City have been hospitalized for coronavirus, and 1 in 400 people in New York City have died from coronavirus, according to data from the city and the US Census Bureau.

Guardian-Latin America has reported more new coronavirus cases than either the United States or Europe for three days in a row, driven by high numbers in Brazil, Peru and Mexico, CNN analysis of Johns Hopkins University and World Health Organization data shows.The region reported at least 32,854 new cases on Wednesday, with more than half of them in Brazil.The United States reported 22,534 new cases that day, according to Johns Hopkins University, while Europe, including Russia, reported about 17,900, according to the WHO. Both agencies rely on national governments for their data.

Rachel Maddow MSNBC @maddow · 4m "Thursday’s daily total of newly confirmed cases is the highest Florida has seen since April 17"

The New York Times @nytimes · 4m The average number of daily new coronavirus cases worldwide over the past week — more than 91,000 — is higher than it has ever been, according to data compiled by The New York Times.

It is interesting, as noted above, that the countries with the craziest leaders (US, UK, Brazil) are leading the pack.

R465 With Russia coming up strong.

Russia and their fake ass numbers. Lots and lots of "pnemonia" deaths in the last few months. Hmm...

The US just zoomed past 95K deaths. Over 96K now! Sadly, 100K is just days and hours away.

On April 10, President Donald Trump said that the projected number of deaths related to the coronavirus will be “substantially under” early estimates that indicated 100,000 people in the U.S. could die from COVID-19.

“The minimum number was 100,000 lives and I think we’ll be substantially under that number,” Trump said during a White House press conference. “Hard to believe that if you had 60,000, you can never be happy, but that’s a lot fewer than we were originally told and thinking.”

^ Trump's so full of it. Remember when he said there would be zero deaths?

And with every lie, more people die.

Is it me or has there just been too much contradictory news.....It’s tiresome tbh.

How is Sweden doing f.e good or bad. Many European countries are opening up to tourists again this summer. I think we’ll have the second peak by the time it is mid June.

[quote] Is it me or has there just been too much contradictory news

That’s one happens when one side just lies

Dallas, Houston, Southeast Florida’s Gold Coast, the entire state of Alabama and several other places in the South that have been rapidly reopening their economies are in danger of a second wave of coronavirus infections over the next four weeks, according to a research team that uses cellphone data to track social mobility and forecast the trajectory of the pandemic.

The model suggests that most communities in the United States should be able to avoid a second spike in the near term if residents are careful to maintain social distancing even as businesses open up and restrictions are eased.

But the risk for resurgence is high in some parts of the country, especially in places already seeing fast-growing numbers of cases, including the counties of Crawford, Iowa; Colfax, Nebraska; and Texas, Oklahoma, and the city of Richmond, Virginia.

[quote]The model suggests that most communities in the United States should be able to avoid a second spike in the near term if residents are careful to maintain social distancing even as businesses open up and restrictions are eased.

Considering how many people did NOT maintained social distancing here even before restrictions eased, I'm already planning for that second spike... and possibly a third one.

[quote]The model suggests that most communities in the United States should be able to avoid a second spike in the near term if residents are careful to maintain social distancing even as businesses open up and restrictions are eased.

Considering how many people did NOT maintained social distancing here even before restrictions eased, I'm already planning for that second spike... and possibly a third one.

R476 Me too. All the covidiots visting the woods and the beaches etc. Insane. People will not take responsibility apparantly. Not anywhere in the more democratic world anyway.

Where I am, there are lots of people visiting the beach and the walking and bike paths on the beach. But I don't see people clustered together in groups. Most are either solo or in small groups that are obviously family units or partners who are already together regularly. So the fact that people are stepping out of the house after 2 months of lockdown does not equate to "DANGER!" simply because they're outside.

That said, yes of course there will be some irresponsible people, just as there have been since the beginning of time.

Where I am, r478, lots of people bring their extended family shopping with them, wear their masks below their noses if at all, and crawl up my ass in line, so it isn't just "some irresponsible people" that I'm worried about- it's at least half the customers. Even well-meaning people, assuming that their homemade mask is enough protection, get way too close. I have flash my MedAlert bracelet at people before they will back the fuck up.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 21 - 7:00 PM EST

🚑 EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES DAY

🤡 RED NOSE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 5,186,837

DEATHS: 333,976

CRITICAL: 45,607

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,618,687

DEATHS: 96,213

CRITICAL: 17,875

📊 STATS @ WORLDOMETER.COM

At that rate, we’ll hit 100,000 deaths by Monday, Corona Poll Troll. At best.

🎉 Happy Memorial Day.

Watch those numbers really soar in another week or two.

Florida Governor Rick Desantis blasts the media for its coverage of Florida's coronavirus response. Florida's death rate- death per 1 million- is lower than many big population states and pretty close to California's death rate. (He doesn't address the charge that his state may have been manipulating death data to support re-opening.)

(Correction- I think Desantis does address the manipulation of death data charge at the start of the video r483. He denies it.)

The year over year numbers will reveal the truth

The year over year numbers will reveal the truth

[quote]There is ZERO need to "deep clean" offices that have been empty for weeks.

I really don't want the cleaning company that low-balled to get the contract anywhere near my desk. The only germs there now are mine so please keep your filthy rag that you half-heartedly ran over every other surface in the place rubbed all over my work space.

Where are all the people who kept going on and on about heat making the difference now that South and Central America are the world's hot spots?

And, I'd like to take a moment to thank our idiot brethren in the South for sacrificing themselves on the altar of stupid so the rest of us can verify that opening early is a huge fucking mistake.

I don't understand why Republican Governed states would manipulate their Dept of Health COVID-19 statistics. Do Republican voters not respond favorably to both fear and liberty messaging? Their voters are truth-averse and believe whatever benefits them anyway, and social psychology would hold that most people think they won't catch COVID-19, or if they do, their "super-American he-man ultra-stud superior genes" will fight off any infection. Sure, maybe 25-38% people are those who are elderly, have known underlying conditions and know better, but that leaves 62-75% of the citizens to be patriotic and foolhardy. A 5-7% death rate won't scare them off.

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R488 - it's not Republican voters - they are in the bag. It's the media, their legacy, and independent voters that's gonna hurt them big time.

Nobody wants to be a laughing stock or look stupid.

The Trump strategy seems to be to fire up his base? It’s sad we are at a point where a lunatic is solely focused on winning and himself. I don’t really have faith in Joe Biden apart from he is the alternative. Why we ended up with two feeble old men is sad.

Here’s the picture Trump didn’t want you to see: him wearing a mask today in Michigan. This is the mask he took off for the cameras because he didn’t want to give reporters the satisfaction of seeing him in a mask.

Someone should tell him he looks better in a mask. An entire bag would be even better. Preferably, a plastic one.

R487, the Southern hemisphere is now in fall and about to get to winter. About the Southern Hemisphere:

“For the southern hemisphere temperate zone, spring begins on 1 September, summer on 1 December, autumn on 1 March, and winter on 1 June.”

“The coldest part of the South American continent is in the extreme southern tip, in the area called Tierra del Fuego; in the coldest month of the year, which is July, it is as cold as 0°C (32°F) there. The highest temperature of the continent is reached in a small area of northern Argentina, and is about 42°C (108°F).“

Does this mean Coronavirus will die out here as it heats up? Who knows. But they’re just heading into winter there, and it’s going to get worse down there. And if they travel here? They’ll spread it back our way. Even if it doesn’t live well in the heat, they can still cough on us.

So the question will be, with international travel, and cruise ships opening up again, are we also going to be affected by another continent’s winter flare-up? Maybe.

R494, actually, the current scientific view is that, at most, transmission of the virus might be somewhat reduced in warmer weather. No current study predicts that the virus will "die out" during the summer months.

R495, I was being unrealistically optimistic. I don’t see how living in enclosed air conditioned rooms and working with germy people that never wash their hands, is affected much by the weather.

They’ve said recently that they think most transmission is person to person and not as much by fomites. If that’s true, the weather may not matter much at all. The only virus that’s likely to be killed by the hot weather, is most likely virus sitting on hot metal burning in the sun, like on car door handles or metal handrails.

But the inside of people’s lungs are a nice toasty 98.6, or more, and it seems to do okay in there.

Guardian-Italy’s death toll from Covid-19 in March and April could be nearly 19,000 higher than the official figure of 32,000, the national social security agency said Thursday. The Istituto Nazionale della Previdenza Sociale (INPS), the largest social security and welfare institute in Italy, said in a new study that the official death figures were not “reliable”. Its study showed that 156,429 total deaths were recorded in Italy in March and April, which is 46,909 higher than the average number of fatalities in those months recorded between 2015 and 2019. But only 27,938 deaths linked to coronavirus were reported during that period by the Civil Protection Agency, whose toll forms the basis of national statistics

Trump would look even better wearing a sack over his head, his hands tied behind his back, his body tossed into the trunk of a car.

[quote][R487], the Southern hemisphere is now in fall and about to get to winter.

Let's not pretend that Brazil's Fall is the equivalent of Maine. The average temperature in May, as their winter begins, is 80 degrees and that's where it stays for the entire "winter". It's pretty much Fall and Winter in name only.

R498 I watched the reports from Italy during the worst of it and people said the real death count was obviously much higher than being reported. The same is true of Iran I'm sure.

Interesting research. The risk the virus spreads when outside and maintaining social distancing is apparantly very small. Inside is where the shit hits the fan.

All countries with hundreds or thousands of deaths are under reporting numbers. In some cases they are so overwhelmed it is virtually impossible to give an accurate number. Then there are those countries (like Russia, Iran, Brazil, parts of the US) that are partially in that category but are also deliberately under reporting cases for 'internal purposes' and/or not to 'lose face' internationally.

The only countries where the death numbers would be very near accurate and those with low numbers (Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Taiwan). Even then they may have missed a couple of deaths.

Internal purposes is code for domestic political reasons.

R502 I read that article earlier in the week, it has convinced me I will not be eating inside a restaurant for at least a year.+

As of June 1st, Ohio will allow wedding receptions with a limit of 300 guests.

Large wedding reception? Yum.

R504 not planning to attend any inside gatherings or pubs/restaurants either

Talk about Bridezilla! What could go wrong?

Today my co-worker sent around a perky email: "PS, I just saw the headline that Gov. Wolf may be green lighting some of the counties soon!"

I want to throw up.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 22 - 8:00 AM EST

🕵️ SHERLOCK HOLMES DAY

⛵ NATIONAL MARITIME DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 5,219,900

DEATHS: 335,108

CRITICAL: 45,598

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,621,333

DEATHS: 96,363

CRITICAL: 17,907

📊 STATS: WORLDOMETER.COM

Inflammatory syndrome found in young Corona victims in now being seen in young adults in their early 20's.

[quote]Inflammatory syndrome found in young Corona victims in now being seen in young adults in their early 20's.

WaPo: A 20-year-old is being treated for the condition in San Diego, a 25-year-old has been diagnosed at Northwell Health’s Long Island Jewish Medical Center, and several patients in their early 20s are hospitalized with the syndrome at NYU Langone in New York City.

Younger children with the condition seem to have symptoms that look more like traditional Kawasaki, which is characterized by inflammation of the blood vessels. But teens and young adults have more of an “overwhelming” response involving the heart and multiple organs.

Physician Jane Burns, who runs the Kawasaki Disease Research Center at University of California at San Diego, worries the condition may be underdiagnosed in adults.

The challenge, she said, is that many doctors who treat adults have “never seen Kawasaki disease before because that’s a disease of children.”

And Trump wants to green light the entire country, as figures are rapidly on the rise?

We're going to be in even bigger trouble, Gurls.

🌅 Have a great summer, everyone !

I wonder if these syndromes hitting kids and now young adults has to do with a second infection. Like, they had an asymptomatic run the first time but that primed their system to react horribly the second time they are exposed. Kind of like some allergies work where it takes multiple exposures before the really bad reaction takes place. So many of the kids and younger people didn't bother protecting themselves because it wasn't affecting them so they may be exposed to a high viral load multiple times.

wait, so Kawasaki disease only seen in US and European countries? What about China and rest of Asia?

Former White House butler who served 11 presidents dead from coronavirus

Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton A study of 96,000 coronavirus patients found that those who received a drug Trump has promoted as a treatment had a “significantly higher risk of death compared with those who did not.”

The president needs to stop playing a doctor on TV.

Hillary Clinton @HillaryClinton A study of 96,000 coronavirus patients found that those who received a drug Trump has promoted as a treatment had a “significantly higher risk of death compared with those who did not.”

The president needs to stop playing a doctor on TV.

Alexander Marquardt @MarquardtA · 18h Unbelievable drone shots of thousands of freshly dug graves in Sao Paulo. @npwcnn is there and reports the city is expecting the peak in 1-2 weeks. Today they saw funerals about every 10 minutes.

KTLA @KTLA · 1m BREAKING: California's jobless rate soared in April to 15.5%, higher than at any point during the Great Recession

Globalnews.ca @globalnews · 35m #BREAKING: Ontario reported 441 new cases of the novel coronavirus on Friday — the highest case number reported this week.

The Japan Times @japantimes · 13m Tokyo reports three new coronavirus cases, lowest for two months

The Guardian: Preliminary evidence suggests under-20s are 56% less likely to contract Covid-19, according to scientists who reviewed data gathered by contact tracing and population screening studies around the world.

In line for an hour and a half at Hoboken test site. They just did the test. Q Tip - not fun! Eyes watering/nose running and I can't wipe until I wash my hands. Results in 10 mins.

R524, is that the antibody test? Is it free?

R525: Covid-19 test. Antibody test is a blood test. My doctor wouldn't let me take the antibody test until after the Covid-19 test. My insurance covered it.

Negative! Now, I can get the antibody test.

Congrats r527!

I want to be tested too but I heard from someone who took it that her results came in 2 min. that's the one white house uses...not very accurate...so i'm hesitating

An experimental vaccine for COVID-19 under development at Oxford University hit a milestone Friday with researchers announcing it will be progressing to advanced stages of human trials.

It will be tested in 10,260 volunteers across the United Kingdom to determine how effective it is at preventing infection, the university said in a statement. If successful, it could be on the market as early as September.

More details about the study that Hillary Clinton tweeted about.

Guardian-A study of nearly 100,000 coronavirus patients has shown no benefit in treating them with anti-viral drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. According to the new study, published on Friday in The Lancet, the drugs actually increased the likelihood of patients with Covid-19 dying in hospital. Hydroxychloroquine is normally used to treat arthritis but pronouncement from public figures including the US president, Donald Trump, who announced this week he is taking the drug, has prompted governments to bulk buy the medicine. Chloroquine is an anti-malarial. Both drugs can produce potentially serious side effects, particularly heart arrhythmia. “Treatment with chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine does not benefit patients with COVID-19,” said Mandeep Mehra, lead author of the study and executive director of the Brigham and Women’s Hospital Center for Advanced Heart Disease in Boston. “Instead, our findings suggest it may be associated with an increased risk of serious heart problems and increased risk of death.” The authors estimated that the drugs put patients at up to 45% higher risk of dying from COVID-19 compared with underlying health issues.

🌴 Kelly Ripa and the entire family have been " quietly sheltering in place" in the Caribbean. Ripa's been broadcasting her remote from this location, and has been attempting to keep it a secret but her daughter spilled the beans when she posted pictures online of her family in this tropical setting.

Gives new meaning to "working vacation."

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

'This on its own was odd, given that in China there were only several thousand deaths, and the mortality rate outside of Wuhan was very low,' the report says.

'In the absence of conclusive data, these lockdowns were justified initially. Nonetheless, many of these efforts were inefficient or late.'

Kolanovic says that lockdowns had remained in place even as 'our knowledge of the virus and lack of effectiveness of total lockdowns evolved'.

'Despite the conditions for re-opening being mostly met across the US, it is not yet happening in the largest economic regions for example California and New York,' he said.

'While our knowledge of the virus and lack of effectiveness of total lockdowns evolved, lockdowns remained in place and focus shifted to contact tracing, contemplating second wave of outbreaks and ideas about designing better education, political and economic systems.

'At the same time, millions of livelihoods were being destroyed by these lockdowns.'

The US and other countries in lockdown are having to blow huge holes in their budgets to counter the economic standstill that is forcing millions of people into unemployment.

The report cites 'worrying populism' as an obstacle to re-opening the economy, for example in the US where senators passed an anti-China measure this week.

It warns that economic activity in the US is 'now largely following partisan lines' as Republican and Democratic governors adopt different strategies for their states.

As well as casting doubt on the wisdom of imposing lockdowns in the first place, the report suggests that economies could now be re-opened more quickly.

In other parts of the world, Denmark is among the countries that has started re-opening its economy without seeing a new surge in virus cases.

Zoos, museums and cinemas have re-opened early in Denmark with many children now back at school after scientists said the R rate had continued to fall.

Germany has also been confident enough to scale back the lockdown after the R rate mostly stayed below 1.0 following an initial lifting of restrictions.

However, chancellor Angela Merkel has repeatedly urged caution and warned that a second wave of virus cases could leave hospitals overwhelmed.

The UK government has similarly warned that some restrictions could be re-imposed if there is a 'sudden and concerning' rise in new cases.

Sweden has never imposed a lockdown, and its per-capita death rate is better than Britain's - although worse than that of its Scandinavian neighbours.

The World Health Organisation has urged 'extreme vigilance' about lifing lockdowns, saying there is 'always the risk that the virus takes off again'.

WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that some countries such as Germany and South Korea had systems in place to respond to a new surge.

Tedros said that a 'comprehensive package of measures' is needed until a vaccine becomes available, which is likely to be many months away at least.

It is not yet fully clear how many people have been infected or to what extent they are now immune, but most people remain susceptible.

[quote]Unbelievable drone shots of thousands of freshly dug graves in Sao Paulo. @npwcnn is there and reports the city is expecting the peak in 1-2 weeks.

Ah, I remember the good ol' days back in the beginning of April when they were saying our peak here in Illinois was only 1-2 weeks away. Brazil is fucked.

And, yes, I take all my medical advice from JPMorgan. The red states, which are the ones that opened early, are fucking lying about their numbers. I would bet they have even stopped recording deaths or are pushing the reporting of deaths off to a later date. They will quietly release much increased numbers some time around October and blame it on paperwork errors or something.

Evey study is hopeful.

Until it isn't.

JP Morgan? Certain to be fair and unbiased when it comes down to capitalism vs human lives!

Hydroxychloroquine needs to be taken early, at the first onset of symptoms. If left until people are hospitalized it is too late, as it works more of a preventative than a cure. It also needs to be combined with Azithromycin and zinc. A lot of the clinical trials have been shoddy.

r535 keep Brasil out your filthy e-mouth.

Guardian-Senior government officials in Russia have said that the country will see a sharp rise in mortality figures for May, as the Covid-19 pandemic continues to spread. “There will be a significant mortality increase in May” the deputy prime minister, Tatiana Golikova, was quoted by AFP as saying at a government meeting with the president, Vladimir Putin, referring to official analysis and the country’s coronavirus curve. “The illness and chronic conditions don’t always have a positive ending,” Golikova said, despite doctors trying to “save the maximum number of patients.”

R538, thanks DJT ! Don't you have other things to do like shoving your pie hole with big macs?

I see heart attack in your future! please don't forget to take your pills! it will be good for the country!

[quote] Hydroxychloroquine needs to be taken early, at the first onset of symptoms. If left until people are hospitalized it is too late, as it works more of a preventative than a cure.

That's not what "preventative" means, Mr. Trump.

*cough*regression to the mean*cough*

🤣 Scientists now saying that strong strains of cannibus may be effective to prevent and treat Covid.

Who knows?

Have we tried pixie dust yet for a little elfin magic?

R538 heard and read it too. People with symptoms cured within 4 days. It’s too cheap to make it worthwhile for the pharmacy industry it seems. Let’s just remember the ventilator isn’t helping.

CNBC:

Trump slams governors, demands they open houses of worship 'right now'

He is officially the anti-Christ. He will have a massive amount of blood on his hands.

By the way he has no power to override the governors.

He’s toast. Buh bye

R546 He already has massive amounts of blood on his hands.

Minnesota lifted its stay-at-home order on Monday. The Minnesota Health Department said today that ICU beds in the Twin Cities are getting tight as COVID-19 surges locally.

Another reason to hate China!

Hong Kong: Pompeo condemns China’s law as ‘death knell’ for freedoms

China is seeking to pass a law that would ban "treason, secession, sedition and subversion" in Hong Kong.

Critics say the law would strip Hong Kong of the rights it currently enjoys, that are not seen in mainland China.

[quote]Like, they had an asymptomatic run the first time but that primed their system to react horribly the second time they are exposed. Kind of like some allergies work where it takes multiple exposures before the really bad reaction takes place.

This is referred to as kindling, and I agree with your theory about it being the likely reason for these cases.

Just read that Spain reported 688 deaths today according to Worldometer. However, this amount is significantly higher than the official figure released this morning. Reporting delays?

New poll shows that 44% of Republicans believe Bill Gates is plotting to use a mass COVID-19 vaccination campaign as a pretext to implant microchips in billions of people.

Most of them have shown up on my Facebook feed.

[quote]New poll shows that 44% of Republicans believe Bill Gates is plotting to use a mass COVID-19 vaccination campaign as a pretext to implant microchips in billions of people.

My Dem aunt believes the same thing. She's an anti-vaxxer, also. 🙄

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 22 - 4:00 PM EST

⛵ NATIONAL MARITIME DAY

🕵️ SHERLOCK HOLMES DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 5,268,785

DEATHS: 338,106

CRITICAL: 45,176

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,637,593

DEATHS: 97,293

CRITICAL: 17, 689

📊 STATS: WORLDOMETER.COM

[quote]My Dem aunt believes the same thing.

19% of Democrats believe it! SMH

Gov. Tom Wolf of Pennsylvania, just now announcing @ Daily PA Corona Update, that with precautions, seventeen PA counties will soon move into the green zone.

[quote]New poll shows that 44% of Republicans believe Bill Gates is plotting to use a mass COVID-19 vaccination campaign as a pretext to implant microchips in billions of people.

As they share conspiracy theories from their smartphones which are already tracking everything they do.

R557 Has Wolf ever laid out what the criteria for Green Zone status is? I think he's just knuckling under to Deplorable shit-stirrers.

Kawasaki-like illness linked to coronavirus now appearing in young adults

Doctors across the country are now reporting patients in their early and mid-20s, the Washington Post reports.

The new illness, recently dubbed multisystem inflammatory syndrome in children, or MIS-C, has impacted a 25-year-old at Northwell Health’s Long Island Jewish Medical Center, a 20-year-old in San Diego and several patients in their 20s at NYU Langone in the Big Apple, according to the outlet.

Jennifer Lighter, a pediatric infectious disease doctor at NYU Langone, said MIS-C in younger kids causes symptoms very close to the traditional Kawasaki disease, which leaves blood vessels inflamed. But the teens and young adults who’ve contracted the illness are seeing an “overwhelming” and more serious response that attacks the heart and multiple organs.

“The older ones have had a more severe course,” Lighter told the Post.

There are at least 157 suspected cases of MIS-C being probed in New York but the cases doctors are seeing now present very differently from those of the few kids who presented with COVID-19 early on in the crisis, the outlet said.

Typically, those children had pre-existing conditions, active coronavirus infections and trouble breathing, but the children and young adults who are now being examined for MIS-C were healthy before suddenly developing a fever, abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting and rashes.

Many of the patients have antibodies for the coronavirus, meaning they’d previously been infected with the bug. The prevalence of antibodies in MIS-C cases suggests the conditions could be a delayed immune response, the outlet said.

Jane Burns, a physician who runs the Kawasaki Disease Research Center at the University of California at San Diego, is concerned the illness could be underdiagnosed in adults, primarily because children’s doctors are the ones most familiar with it.

Further, it’s difficult to get clear images of adult hearts because of thicker chest walls, making ultrasounds harder to read.

“[What] internists need to be aware of is that maybe this is coming their way,” Burns told the Post, adding she is working with public health officials to expand warnings about the condition to include young adults.

More than 20 states have reported MIS-C cases, with the nationwide total estimated to be several hundred, the outlet reported.

While for now the disease appears to be rare, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is alarmed about how quickly MIS-C patients are declining. They’re urging parents to quickly seek medical care if they think their child is affected, the outlet said.

In my area we have been on stay at home lockdown since mid March. We have had a cumulative death count of 68, with 50 of those in nursing homes. There has been no surge in cases. Those numbers do not indicate that this lockdown should continue especially considering the economic devastation that is taking place. Remember the initial intent was to "flatten the curve" and prevent overwhelming the health care system. It was not to "shelter in place" until a cure or vaccine is found. Even the experts are beginning to reflect this in their messaging . Hospitalization and death rates are down 15% and 12% respectively, according to today's LA County update. Plans to continue opening more businesses even restaurants and retailers are moving along. So yes, use precautions and continue avoiding large group gatherings. If you are high risk, by all means shelter in place at home as long as you feel is necessary for your situation. But we live in an industrialized civilization where, like it or not, our lives are dependent on the parts of this "machine" continuing to run.

Stay-at-home orders intended to curb the spread of the coronavirus could end up causing “irreparable damage” if imposed for too long, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNBC on Friday.

“I don’t want people to think that any of us feel that staying locked down for a prolonged period of time is the way to go,” Fauci said during an interview with CNBC’s Meg Tirrell on “Halftime Report.”

He said the U.S. had to institute severe measures because Covid-19 cases were exploding then. “But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

However, Fauci also cautioned states against reducing social distancing measures too quickly, adding they must take “very significant precautions.”

[quote]Stay-at-home orders intended to curb the spread of the coronavirus could end up causing “irreparable damage” i

[quote]“I don’t want people to think that any of us feel that staying locked down for a prolonged period of time is the way to go,”

[quote]“But now is the time, depending upon where you are and what your situation is, to begin to seriously look at reopening the economy, reopening the country to try to get back to some degree of normal.”

Fauci's words are going to be quite a disappointment for some here....

Imperial Valley and Riverside County in CA. Going around....”Don’t take the virus test. They are saving your DNA for a national registry for Bill Gates so he can force you to be chipped and vaccinated”. Huh? I’m sure Gates has bigger fish to fry than worry about Uncle Festus and Aunt Milly’s phlegm DNA.

People who can’t admit they were wrong, so they just get crazier and crazier.

I think some people have spent so much time thinking and worrying about coronavirus that they have lost perspective. Sort of like OCD. It can start out with a rational concern about safety and well being, but then cross over into thought processes that are no longer in synch with the realities of the true level of risk. News stories that paint worst case scenario are what resonate and it all starts feeding on itself until people can't see any other way of viewing the world and can't see that their thought process is becoming irrational and detached from reality. For people experiencing this, it's hard to even recognize it and then it's common to become even more entrenched in it.

We cannot eliminate the risk of COVID-19. We need manage the risk but learn to live with the reality that it's not going to suddenly disappear and we can't hide at home for a year or more until there's a vaccine.

^Well said

Or maybe some people just don't want to go back to their horrible offices.

Gotta love trolls like r566 who are worried about people who are concerned about the virus.....but not about the liars who said there would be no deaths or that it was no worse than the flu

No, R567. What R566 posted is not well stated.

It would all be fine if we were one year or more into this pandemic and if much, MUCH, more were known about Covid-19. But we're not. It's new. It's poorly understood. We have not been living with it nearly long enough to "have lost perspective." That statement is outrageous.

We have not co-existed with it nearly long enough to know what it will do to us. The emerging Kawasaki-like illness that is now afflicting young people who have Covid-19 is proof of that. There is an enormous grey area, presently almost entirely unknown, between good health and well-being and not having died during your Covid-19 hospitalization.

Being cautious about this new and sometimes very serious illness is nothing at all like OCD. Shame on R566 for even suggesting such a thing. We don't have national leadership. We don't have answers about the illness. We don't have the information we need to be sure to avoid this virus. All we have is the opportunity to exercise prudence around our choices. We should support one another as we struggle to be prudent and stay safe.

Even though PA Gov Wolf is moving some areas of the state into the green zone, it sound as though the restrictions will still be tight. It appears, at this point, that the immediate difference won't actually be much different at all. Maybe it's just a psychological mind boost.

In my county, the numbers have been relatively low, but in the past few days there has been a noticable increase. Many of our active cases also are in the teens to fifty year old range.

[quote]or that it was no worse than the flu

[quote]but not about the liars who said there would be no deaths or that it was no worse than the flu

NPR "Worried About Catching The New Coronavirus? In The U.S., Flu Is A Bigger Threat"

Anthony Fauci....Feb 15th

"Disease Expert: Flu a Bigger Risk in the US Than Coronavirus"

I hate to say it but we have to rely on volunteers to see if masks and social distancing work in the workplace. Not everyone works at a Google where they are allowed to telecommute through December or longer. My work is expecting people to return to work later this summer, in a staggered fashion. We hope it works but everyone is a guinea pig.

r566 and r570, the problem is not merely that we don't know enough about the virus and how it operates, it is the appalling lack of leadership at the Federal level, andthe mendacity of red state governors and legislatures. There is an attitude of 'do what you think feels right,' with little coordination and consistency. You have idiots like the Las Vegas mayor, who is all in for letting Mr. Market decide public health policy, officials in several states who are fudging the infection statistics, and a Federal government that contradicts itself on a daily basis.

People do not know what to think or which information sources are trustworthy. There is no doubt that states are going to try to get back to normal, but based on our experience so far, one can't help but feel this may be a recipe for disaster.

I saw on the news the other day that people in their 40s are the most likely to be infected. Great. I wonder if it's that we're the sandwich generation right now and we're surrounded on all sides, all the time, by kids and old people.

R570 Indeed. We haven't even gained any perspective on this thing in the first place, how could we have lost it?

R571 Big difference is that hair salons, etc. will be open, and dining will be allowed in restaurants, but at limited capacity.

R575, Sams Club has plastic face shields in stock in the stores now. They are a temporary item, but if you’re going to have to go to work in the office, I’d get one before they run out.

They come in a box with four I believe. You still should wear a mask with them, but you can use a lightweight cotton mask and be able to breathe better.

Next thread

R569 you realize that simply having a different point of view on a horrible situation in the world does not make someone a "troll", right? That's a bit extreme.

That's as bad as referring to Democrats as Deplorables because they don't hold the same political point of view as you do.

Despite R570's nasty attitude towards me and my post, I stand by what I said. Perhaps consider re-reading without a "COVID lens". I don't think some people's internal response to this crisis is healthy. Yes, of course we need to support each other and be prudent about managing risk. Did I state otherwise or did you add that part? Did you read the closing comment in my post, the part where I said we need to learn to manage the risk? Not everyone is dealing with this crisis in the same way. You are entitled to your opinion, and so am I and the billions of other people on the planet.

R570 perhaps you should read Dr Fauci's thoughts at R562. He's an expert at the forefront of this pendemic.

Jesus Christ. A case study about spread from the very informative article at R502 —"A single asymptomatic carrier" infected 45 people in a room in 2.5 hours, even with social distancing:

The community choir in Washington State. Even though people were aware of the virus and took steps to minimize transfer; e.g. they avoided the usual handshakes and hugs hello, people also brought their own music to avoid sharing, and socially distanced themselves during practice. They even went to the lengths to tell choir members prior to practice that anyone experiencing symptoms should stay home. A single asymptomatic carrier infected most of the people in attendance. The choir sang for 2 1/2 hours, inside an enclosed rehearsal hall which was roughly the size of a volleyball court.

Singing, to a greater degree than talking, aerosolizes respiratory droplets extraordinarily well. Deep-breathing while singing facilitated those respiratory droplets getting deep into the lungs. Two and half hours of exposure ensured that people were exposed to enough virus over a long enough period of time for infection to take place. Over a period of 4 days, 45 of the 60 choir members developed symptoms, 2 died. The youngest infected was 31, but they averaged 67 years old.

R581, you need to learn what a concern troll is.

And something like 98% of people who contract the virus survive. Something like 80% have no or mild symptoms. Something like 80% of deaths in some areas are in nursing homes (people who are already in frail health). Of course there are exceptions. But these types of statistics do give some perspective for people willing to think about it and weigh the risk regarding lifting the shelter in place ordinances. I realize some want complete shelter in place until there's a cure or vaccine or until we somehow know everything there is to know about the virus. But that's not going to happen. Life is going to go on, with necessary precautions to mitigate risk in place. And yes we need to be supportive of each other. And those of us ready to rejoin the world need to respect that some want to shelter at home for the forseeable future. And the shelter in place people need to respect that some of us will not be doing that. Responsible re-entry into the world does not equate to "reckless, selfish, uncaring" behavior. It does not mean lack of caring about people who are sick or people who have died. It does not mean lack of disgust about certain government officials. It does not equate to being a "troll" or a "trumpster" or any other bullshit terms that keep getting spewed out. Just stop it.

R585 Why does that article leave out the following information

From CNN:

"No one reported physical contact between the attendees at the practices, but they sat close together. The report said the chairs were 6-10 inches apart"

"The choir broke into two groups for part of the practice. Members moved closer together for that 45-minute session, they said."

"Their median age was 69,"

R587 wants to spew right-wing crap without the stigma of being called a right-wing troll

R587 wants to spew right-wing crap without the stigma of being called a right-wing troll

I'm not a "right wing troll". And I didn't "spew crap" in any of my posts. Some of you just don't like reality.

80% mild is so much a February 2020 talking point. We all know now that mild is a mistranslation of The Chinese’ word for not hospitalized. 20% hospitalized is insanely high. Why can’t we get the trolls with updated talking points?

With all due respect, ElderLez, those overall statistics haven't moved much. And please stop with the "troll" accusations.

R591, you don't like reality. That's why you believe right wing lies.

Yes, 20% hospitalized, 35% asymptomatic, 45% In between including incredibly severe symptoms up to and including pneumonia that doesn’t require hospitalization. Mild as a catch all phrase for not hospitalized is extraordinarily misleading and inaccurate.

What reality are you referring to R594? The one that lines up with the statistics that I posted? I don't think you even understand what "right wing" even means. Does it mean anything that doesn't line up with your personal point of view?

ElderLez, what is your proposed course of action on dealing with COVID-19? I'm asking in a respectful manner. Do you think we should continue mandatory shelter in place, with all non essential businesses closed indefinitely? If so, how long? What is your proposed criteria for lifting shelter in place? Do you think we should wait until there is a cure or vaccine? What if that takes 2 years? Or 5 years? How should the economic devastation that would follow be handled? I'm trying to understand other points of view since mine (which I consider a well balanced approach) is being summarily dismissed by many as "right wing troll" opinions (which is bullshit).

Sincerely, R587

R596 won't listen to anyone who tells him Trump is wrong.

You would have failed the marshmallow test. "Let's open things up so I can go to bars. Waaaaaaah!"

R596 won't listen to anyone who tells him Trump is wrong.

You would have failed the marshmallow test. "Let's open things up so I can go to bars. Waaaaaaah!"

I’ll answer in the next thread tomorrow. My wife is annoyed with my computer use at the moment.

Trump is a complete idiot and wrong on nearly everything. Just stop it.

Ok, thanks ElderLez

[quote] I realize some want complete shelter in place until there's a cure or vaccine or until we somehow know everything there is to know about the virus. But that's not going to happen.

I don't think I've seen anyone on DL argue that everything should remain closed until there's a cure or a vaccine or until "we somehow know everything there is to know about the virus." Just because someone says that it's too early to start reopening everything right now doesn't mean that person is saying we should NEVER reopen things. It's perfectly rational to argue that we ought to wait until cases and deaths begin to decline consistently and significantly (rather than simply plateauing) before reopening. In fact, that's what the White House's own recommendations said (but they have now been ignored by Trump and by most governors). It's also perfectly rational to argue that we ought to wait until testing is more widely available before reopening.