Coronavirus Freakout 39: When the World Is Running Down, You Make the Best of What's Still Around

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Muriel!!!!!

Dumbass title!

But after 2+ weeks, you STILL haven't finished thread #38.

^^^ because Muriel liked it up!

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Maybe Muriel eventually realizes that paywalling a thread does not only hurt "freeloaders" but also paying customers. Less replies, articles and opinions for paying folks to enjoy who are basically paying for dead threads without any movement.

The Columbia U famotidine (Pepcid) study.

"Famotidine use is associated with reduced risk of intubation or death in hospitalized COVID-19 patients. Randomized controlled trials are warranted to determine whether famotidine therapy improves outcomes in hospitalized COVID-19 patients."

CNN: Robert Redfield, the director of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "will be teleworking" for the next two weeks after he was exposed to a person at the White House who tested positive for Covid-19, a CDC spokesman told The Washington Post.

The decision comes after the FDA announced that its director, Dr. Stephen Hahn, planned to self-quarantine after coming in contact with an individual who tested positive for coronavirus.

Neither agency has named the person or people with whom Redfield and Hahn came into contact.

Trump's valet? Trump himself?

Given that the Orange Cancer spends 3/4 of his day tweeting from the toilet, you'd think he'd welcome the chance to "telework" too.

There was a big Pepcid recall, at least in Canada, and the 20mg formulation was off the shelves for months, as recently as early March.

🙉 This pony died about three or four threads ago.

How long are you going to continue beating this dead horse?

This valet was touching Dump's plate, silverware and McDonald's packages and breathing all over his food and the motherfucker is still not infected?

The worst part of Trump Getting the Coronavirus?

Are any of you getting a haircut in a salon/barbershop soon? I think I might in a week or two. My hair is now longer than David Muir's.

Barbers and salons are still closed in California. I’m about halfway to having Albert Einstein hair.

Yassssssssss I have missed these threads.

Now Fauci is self-quarantining for 14 days after coming into contact with Miss Katie ‘I don’t need no stinkin mask’ Miller. That makes 3 members of the Coronavirus task force that are now self-quarantining- the FDA head, CDC head and Fauci from NIH. Of course Trump and Pence think they’re above such foolishness and these protocols are for everyone else, not them.

I was thinking , this economy shut down is going to result in very high pressure sales tactics to make up for lost time when things open up again.

Furniture stores, auto dealerships, anyone who works on commission is going to be more aggressive which will in turn drive some people to just stay away altogether making the situation even worse.

Auto mechanics and trades people (plumbers, HVAC, electricians) will be fabricating even more repairs that need to be done to make up for lost business.

Makes me want to stay in the house forever.

CNN:

Anthony Fauci to begin 'modified quarantine'

Geez, he looks like death on a cracker.

Map Shows Even 'Regular People' Can't Avoid Coronavirus Spread | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

New antigen test. Let's hope there're fewer false positives.

R20, exact opposite. There will be sales galore to get people to come in and buy shit. It will be a buyer's market across tons of industries.

* Yassssssssss I have missed these threads *

[italic] Said No One

Some semblance of cosmic order must be maintained in the face of this invisible enemy which you couldn’t really have seen coming even though everyone said it was and we really needed to get our shit together like fast man. -Stewart Lee

Carnival Cruises bookings surge 600%.

I presume that's 600% from $0.

Everyone furiously booking their Carnival Cruise.

[quote]Maybe Muriel eventually realizes that paywalling a thread does not only hurt "freeloaders" but also paying customers. Less replies, articles and opinions for paying folks to enjoy who are basically paying for dead threads without any movement.

MARY! That is the problem that was created on the day Muriel's mother instituted "Prime Time." Years and years ago. For some inexplicable reason, the management goes out of its way to make unpopular that which has been very popular. Another gay business that goes out of its way to alienate its customers. There are many.

NYT: In Chicago and Los Angeles, Virus Spread Is Slower, but Persistent

Cook County, Ill., which includes Chicago and its closest suburbs, has added more cases of the coronavirus than any other county in the United States on some recent days. On Friday, Cook County added more new cases than the five boroughs of New York City combined.

Together, the counties around Chicago and Los Angeles and the five boroughs of New York City accounted for about 15 percent of the country’s newly identified cases on a recent day.

Cook County has about 51,600 total cases and has been mostly adding between 1,400 and 1,900 new patients each day. Los Angeles County has more than 31,000 total cases, with average daily growth of about 850 cases over the last week. And New York City has more than 188,000 cases and 19,000 deaths, but its new cases have slowed to about 1,700 per day in the past week.

r20, as the lockdowns are lifted those businesses that have survived are all going to be competing for a shrinking pool of customers. We've lost 80,000 people and counting to COVID-19, we have an estimated unemployment rate of 20%, and with the exception of a few lucky ones, like the Congress critters who took advantage of insider trading info, those in the investing classes have taken a major hit.

Guess which 3 of these countries refused to follow best practices advised by public health experts?

I cannot believe anyone is booking a cruise after what's happened.

[quote]I cannot believe anyone is booking a cruise after what's happened.

It's astonishing to me as well, just like Shanghai Disney reopening day tickets selling out within three minutes. People obviously have very different ideas of health and safety than I do.

[quote]those in the investing classes have taken a major hit

Not as much as you might think, R33. The S&P 500 is down just 10% since the beginning of the year and the Nasdaq is actually up slightly. If you look at it from the peak in mid to late February, it's a bit worse, of course, with the S&P down 13.5% and the Nasdaq down 7.1%.

Personally, I have a fairly balanced portfolio, with stocks and bonds both foreign and domestic. For the year, I'm down just 2.2%. That actually worries me, since I think the market have not yet priced in just how long the ripple effects will last and how much more damage the economy will suffer.

BooHooHoo for you r37

R37 watch The Big Short. The market is juiced to allow billionaires and big hedges to dump to smaller investors before it crashes to earth.

R38, I do know just how lucky I am, both because I can work from home in the current situation and because I actually have a little money to put in the market. The market is badly overdue for a major correction and the longer this goes on, the worse the ultimate crash is likely to be. That's really all I meant.

UK still on a life glug. 31k deaths, 215k cases.

[quote] There will be sales galore to get people to come in and buy shit.

The same companies that have been airing those "In these difficult times, your health and safety is our #1 priority" commercials will be airing commercials that urge people to "Bring your family and friends and crowd into our store this weekend for our grand reopening sale!"

Guardian-New coronavirus infections are accelerating again in Germany just days after its leaders loosened social restrictions, raising concerns that the pandemic could once again slip out of control. The Robert Koch Institute for disease control said in a daily bulletin the number of people each sick person now infects – known as the reproduction rate, or R – had risen to 1.1.

Interesting idea

BBC-Belgium is allowing every household to invite up to four guests to their home from Sunday, as part of the country’s strategy to ease coronavirus restrictions. Prime Minister Sophie Wilmès announced the plan to allow “social bubbles” last week, noting that separation from friends and family had become “unbearable” for some. But Belgian police have said plan will be impossible to enforce. On Friday, government’s Covid-19 spokesman Steven Van Gucht urged people to “think very carefully about which household you want to meet”. “Preferably, choose one family or one household you meet, and stay within that fixed bubble,” Van Gucht said

Why is the whole world so fucking stupid? Stay the fuck home for another month. Fucking assholes. I mean, when Germany doesn't get numbers right, there's not a lot of hope for the rest of us. I so wish this thing killed based on IQ.

Next week Ohio will start random sample testing with antibody tests to get the infection rate of the virus throughout the state. The tests will pick up anti-symptomatic people who were infected but did not realize it.

[quote] The blood test checks to see if a person who is no longer sick has had the virus, and will help doctors better understand how the disease spreads. State health officials will pick 1,200 random volunteers starting next week.

[quote] Residents will receive cards in the mail, then health workers will come to the house and pick a random family member to test. Again, this is strictly voluntary.

People have been gathering in each other's homes for parties and dinners. They never stopped, and they don't plan to.

Unless they die.

Friends in Germany told me there is not much social distancing going on anymore. Public parks are packed, people go shopping, hang out with friends and traffic is back to normal. He witnessed hundreds of people hanging out by a lake during a recent bank holiday, barbecuing and enjoying the sun like on a normal spring day.

Lockdown here in France ends at midnight. No longer need to sign a paper before going out anymore, no more fucking cops on people's asses, fining them. That was tough. Wonder what will happen if people go crazy tonight or what.

I went to the store this morning not to have to go outside next week. I found masks in a pharmacy (surgical, 100pcs). Also bought 4 FFP2/N95 that I posted to my father. I couldn't buy more because the prices are insane and I lost one of my two jobs.

I'm feeling very depressed today I don't know why. I feel like shit.

[quote]Lockdown here in France ends at midnight. No longer need to sign a paper before going out anymore, no more fucking cops on people's asses, fining them. That was tough. Wonder what will happen if people go crazy tonight or what.

If experience is our guide, people going crazy is inevitable. Has there been a single place that didn't wait until the rate of new infections was practically zero that didn't spike? Even Korea had to shut down things in Seoul again.

A big hug to you, R49. Everything we know and that we count on to fill our days and give meaning to our lives has been either taken away or completely upended. Feeling like shit is a reasonable response to it. One of many.

Linear time drags us unwillingly into some awful shit. But, eventually, it drags us on to the next thing, too.

We will get there. We will prevail.

I hope you're right, r51

R52, Ol' Man River really does keep rolling along.

As hard as it is to get people to stay locked down, it will be even harder to reopen everything, then order people back into lockdown again when there's another spike. That will create even more chaos and make everybody even more angry. it's like freeing a prisoner and then telling him he has to go back to prison. That's why it's better to err on the side of caution and keep the lockdown in place as long as you reasonably can because once the lockdown ends, you may never be able to successfully reinstate it.

Yes, r53, it does. At 18:05...

Oh the irony if this crud disease really killed the shit head

[quote]As hard as it is to get people to stay locked down, it will be even harder to reopen everything, then order people back into lockdown again when there's another spike. That will create even more chaos and make everybody even more angry. it's like freeing a prisoner and then telling him he has to go back to prison. That's why it's better to err on the side of caution and keep the lockdown in place as long as you reasonably can because once the lockdown ends, you may never be able to successfully reinstate it.

There'll be no more lockdowns.

Country after country sees that they can't sustain shutting down their economies.

We will simply have to live with this virus the best we can. There will be more deaths. It's the ugly truth but there is no alternative.

R49 here in Italy we have done this on Monday 4th and for now things are going good, today is the first with less than 1000 cases. On Monday and Tuesday the park near my house was full of people now deserted again. I have a friend in France that can't find masks and there is Region in Italy in wich they are scarce too. Tuscany give 30 free surgical masks for month with our EHIC so there everyone wears one.

Unless things get worse than what NYC is going through this time around, there won't be another shutdown anywhere anytime soon. Now that things have already opened back up, there won't be any going back. The train, as they say, has already left the station.

One in every 137 New Yorkers aged 45-64 has been hospitalized for covid19, per Dr. Scott Gottlieb. About .25% of the city's total population has perished from the disease.

R57 isn’t a true patriot unless he’s already killed his grandmother.

I HOPE the worst is over and that all the people who are happily out shopping and getting their hair done and hanging out with family and friends aren't going to end up being scraped off their mattresses by specialty cleaning services.

R60 The NYTimes reports this:

"Nearly All Patients Hospitalized With Covid-19 Had Chronic Health Issues, Study Finds"

" and most — 88 percent — had at least two."

"Only 6 percent of patients at one New York area health system had no chronic conditions. Hypertension, obesity and diabetes were common."

I posted this in another thread because I couldn't get into this one so am posting it here now too.

Through the summer things are going to look like they are getting back to normal but the virus will still hang around some because we opened too soon. But people will become comfortable. Again I am going to tell you to slowly stock up thru the summer so that you can get thru the entire winter without having to go shopping if you can. They think it is going to come back with a vengeance starting around Sept. so be prepared. This time you will know what you need. If you think you have too much stuff don't worry because you will eventually use it all as long as you don't buy too much that can spoil. Paper goods will always keep. Even if we wake up one day and it has disappeared think about how you won't have to go shopping for a while. I think worrying about running out f items causes a lot of anxiety so better to have too much than not enough.

It'll just go away. I have a very good brain and a natural ability.

It's really about risk tolerance, at this point. So, it looks like in NYC - 20% of population was infected, around 5% required hospitalization and/or serious care at home, the death rate is about 1%, ranging from 5% to practically 0, depending on age.

Some people will say - I'll take those odds. No problem.

However, others will look at the disease itself: the hospital costs, the incredible suffering even if not hospitalized, the terrifying symptoms occurring in children, and say - Sorry, not taking any chances.

We'll see where everyone falls. I think risk mitigation on an individual level is best.

R64 easing the lockdown no will create another peak in summer and then another lockdown, afterwards easing up and a big peak in the fall because the virus mutates. at least that's what I read some virologists said. So yeah stocking up for the rest of 2020 sounds like some sound advice.

^*now

[quote]We will simply have to live with this virus the best we can. There will be more deaths. It's the ugly truth but there is no alternative.

You have posted dozens of posts on this topic, r57, on multiple threads and over several weeks, and you still are as ignorant as when you first posted. You have learned, and will continue to learn, absolutely nothing.

I have to return to the office for two days a week starting Monday. It will be a skeleton crew but I work in a big building and there is no social distancing in the elevators. I will only ride on my own but what if someone gets in on another floor. I was there briefly on Thursday and saw multiple people getting off the elevators without masks.

Basically Sayonara to the 70+ crowd. All Trump voters.

I'm not exactly sure, but I think this picture means that Macron will punch you if you don't wear a face mask like he is.

[quote]Unless things get worse than what NYC is going through this time around, there won't be another shutdown anywhere anytime soon. Now that things have already opened back up, there won't be any going back. The train, as they say, has already left the station.

True.

For our friend in the peanut gallery at R69: Didn't you already announce that you've blocked me? If you haven't, I suggest you do.

[quote]I am going to tell you to slowly stock up thru the summer so that you can get thru the entire winter without having to go shopping if you can.

Yeah, I used to shop every few days for whatever I needed in the very short term. I will never do that again.

[quote]"Nearly All Patients Hospitalized With Covid-19 Had Chronic Health Issues, Study Finds" " and most — 88 percent — had at least two."

I assume a majority of Americans over 50 have chronic health issues, even if they don't know it.

The CFR in the United States does seem to be about 1.2% if the hospitals are able to provide adequate treatment to all, based upon the NYS antibody rates. So that leads to the question of when we get to herd immunity? Is it never, because antibodies don’t confer immunity? Is 60% Infected and NYC is a third of the way there? Is it 80% and NYC is a quarter through?

r76 - we don't know yet if herd immunity for SARS-COV-2 is even possible. Most coronavirus do not confer immunity, reinfection is common and the virus mutates requiring new flu shots every year. It's too knew to say -- yeah, we're almost there.

The other thing is that NYC is incredibly dense, I was surprised to find that it's geo-footprint is much smaller than London's. For example LA and Chicago have not experienced the blow-up NYC did, but the virus is steadily marching through those suburbs, not caring if it's Compton or Pacific Palisades. (Albeit better health care & resources are available to wealthier suburbs.)

Nor are rural areas immune - as I've mentioned before. Nor, wealthy compounds. At any rate, the Masque of the Red Death makes for timely reading.

One thing to keep in mind is that the flareups won't be universal but will almost certainly be in local pockets. So some locations will open up with very little consequence. Others will see a significant hit and will take action again. So it will be action and reaction for quite some time.

[quote]For our friend in the peanut gallery at R69: Didn't you already announce that you've blocked me?

No. Like everything else you've posted here, that is incorrect. I have no intention of blocking you, as I find your abject stupidity amusing.

Not sure where all of the optimism about antibody tests is coming from. Last week, one of the largest studies in Europe in the Czech Republic, concluded that herd immunity is very slow to build and that no more 3-4% of the population had been infected, even less in the two major cities. Unfortunately, do to lack of testing, a lot of people are assuming that the flu or other illness they suffered was Covid-19.

R80 LOL.

We get to herd immunity through mass vaccination. The rest is just wishful thinking.

[quote]Unfortunately, do to lack of testing, a lot of people are assuming that the flu or other illness they suffered was Covid-19.

Yes, a number of my family members and friends are convinced they had the virus and are being lax with their (and others') health and safety as a result. I point out to them that the vast majority of very sick people who were able to get tests in the early days of the pandemic turned up negative for covid-19. (Even factoring in a 30% false negative rate, there were -- and are -- way more people testing negative than positive in most locales.) Nope, they just "know" they had it. And of course, they won't go to the "hassle" of getting an antibody test.

So I move on to the fact that we don't know if having had the virus confers immunity. That doesn't faze them either.

A few weeks ago, a caller to the Thom Hartmann radio show told Hartmann he was convinced he had the coronavirus -- he was sick like he'd never been before, with a fever, body aches and a horrible cough that brought up blood. He called the show again this week to share that he had been tested, and he was negative for covid-19 ... but positive for influenza A.

New York State is doing good quality antibody testing. The rate is different different places and New York is not Europe. The rate of infection based upon the antibody test is about 11% in my suburb which makes the CFR here consistent with the CFR in the city; a little over 1%. If antibodies don’t confer immunity (or at least significant protection) that does not bode well for vaccine development.

My wife sent me this article on Coronavirus immunity.

And just in case it wasn’t clear. I am NOT in favor of allowing 1% of the population to die to get to herd immunity and if we don’t maintain social distancing the hospitals will be overwhelmed and the CFR will go to 5%. We got pretty close to the tipping point of of hospital collapse in New York in the first half of April. I don’t want to go there again.

[quote] So some locations will open up with very little consequence. Others will see a significant hit and will take action again. So it will be action and reaction for quite some time.

That strategy won't work. People will never go along with a strategy of reopen, then lock back down, then reopen again, then lock back down again.

I think when people say "herd immunity" they really mean "thinning the herd." Always assuming of course that they're not the ones who might get thinned.

CNN: Boris Johnson called on people across the UK on Sunday to return to work if they cannot do so from home, as the Prime Minister laid out his vision for gradually restarting the economy.

"We now need to stress that anyone who can't work from home, for instance those in construction or manufacturing, should be actively encouraged to go to work."

Also from Wednesday, people in the UK will be able to sunbathe in their local parks, exercise as much as they want and drive to other destinations, he said. Other measures include:

People returning to work should avoid public transport where possible.

Quarantining people entering the country by air would come into place "soon."

A new five-tier alert system, like one the UK uses for terror threats, will be employed by a biosecurity center.

The advice and slogan "Stay at home" to save lives is now "Stay alert."

Primary schools could open from June 1, but that is the best-case scenario.

More shops and the hospitality sector could reopen in July, depending on circumstances.

[quote]That strategy won't work. People will never go along with a strategy of reopen, then lock back down, then reopen again, then lock back down again.

Of course it will. It's being employed elsewhere in the world today and it's been used in the past in the United States. And, of course, it will work at smaller scales, as individual corporations or retailers deal with an outbreak among their employees.

[quote] And, of course, it will work at smaller scales, as individual corporations or retailers deal with an outbreak among their employees.

It may work for some small businesses, but a lot of big businesses won't be able to endure a schedule of reopen, then close again, then reopen again, then close again. How can a business do any kind of planning and scheduling if they never know when they'll be open or closed? And this strategy would never work for schools and colleges. You can't send students back to campus for a few weeks, then order them to leave, then order them to return again, then order them to leave again.

😵 It doesn't take long for the for the nutballs to come crawling up the basement stairs, and into the light of day.

If you reopen and suddenly most of your workers are out sick for two weeks and others quit or go on strike because they're terrified to go back, that's also going to interfere with productivity.

Some things can't be rushed.

Everything takes time.

And nothing will be like it was before.

Are we supposed to feel sorry for these assholes?

Bloomberg:

Pence Self-Isolating After Aide is Positive for Coronavirus

Losing my Civilians

I don't want Pence et al to self isolate. Spread the "love" around at the WH and get as many as possible (except the regular work staff of course).

[quote] I don't want Pence et al to self isolate.

Exactly. Pence needs to be a "warrior" and set a brave example for the rest of us.

Pence should self-immolate.

[quote]Are we supposed to feel sorry for these assholes?

As of May 10th

Death rate (per 100,000 people)

New York - 137

Texas - 4

Brian Stelter:

Per CNN's Jeremy Diamond, anonymous Trump admin official "says there is extreme sensitivity inside the White House right now at the current state of affairs — officials recognize the contradiction in telling states to reopen while the WH enhances protocols to prevent spread of the virus."

Mike Pence is now in self-isolation, as of May 10, due to his aide testing positive.

South Korea orders bars and nightclubs to shut down again, for a further 30 days, after health officials tracked 13 new #Covid19 cases to a single person who attended five bars/nightclubs in Seoul.

Record crowds went to the C&C Restaurant in Castle Rock, a Republican Armpit south of Denver for Mother's Day. It was a family affair with lots of young people. Seeing newsclips of the event, people were shoulder-to-shoulder, with not one mask in sight.

Tarrant County (Ft. Worth) and next door neighbor Dallas County are showing record increases of Covid-19 cases, 10 days since Texas Governor Greg Abbott took the shackles off the cowboys and cowgirls. There have already been instances of closing down parks and lakes. Putting the brakes on more activities are in the works.

[quote]Mike Pence is now in self-isolation

Good. Been trying to get him there for over 30 years.

[quote]Record crowds went to the C&C Restaurant in Castle Rock, a Republican Armpit south of Denver for Mother's Day. It was a family affair with lots of young people. Seeing newsclips of the event, people were shoulder-to-shoulder, with not one mask in sight.

Footage:

CBS' Paula Reid:

VP Pence’s office says he is NOT in quarantine. “VP Pence will continue to follow the advice of the WH Med Unit & is not in quarantine. Additionally, VP Pence has tested negative every single day & plans to be at the White House tomorrow.”

TAKE HIM NOW, GOD. TAKE HIM NOW!!!

R106 Dump called him up and said enough of this self-quarantine bullshit. You are NOT self-quarantining. And Pence like the good little lap dog he is said Yes, sir!

[bold]Jennifer Jacobs @JenniferJJacobs[/bold]

NEWS: A rapid test just ahead of Trump meeting with military leaders Saturday is what caught Gen. Lengyel's positive reading, I'm told.

Coronavirus scare is getting VERY close to Trump when one of his generals tests positive *at White House,* as well as a valet and a VP aide. ==========================================

Leslie Stahl just admitted she had the VID as well other 60 min. co-workers.

Is DC a hot zone?

‘Scary to Go to Work’: White House Races to Contain Virus in Its Ranks

By the hour, the White House is looking more like an assisted-living facility where the residents, caretakers and visitors are all being infected with the Coronavirus and the numbers are mounting. It's a great look while trying to promote a safe, open America.

OP, that video is terrible!

This plague is really showing how stupid, arrogant and entitled Americans are, and it's all amplified x1000 by the psychotic sociopath in the White House feeding his dedicated followers disinformation and politicizing every facet of this tragedy he can. Wearing a mask in public to reduce transmission rates? Guess what, you're a faggot liberal snowflake. Only REAL Americans who love this country and love Trump will proudly visit their local Golden Corral and say fuck you to anyone wearing a mask.

This country is lost. At this point I'm beginning to believe we're getting exactly what we deserve.

R113, don't lump the responsible people under all Americans. This is something like 15-20% (not even the entirety of Trump's 40% moron brigade is on board). They just give the idiot class disproportionate coverage because stupid sells. The media needs to be held responsible for not pointing out that his is a minority in the country acting this way and that these idiots should be ignored.

[R49], nous t'aimons...

Germany's coronavirus reproduction rate doubled in less than a week after easing lockdown.

On Wednesday, as Chancellor Angela Merkel announced the easing of restrictions, the rate was 0.65. By Friday, it was 0.83. It climbed to 1.1 on Saturday and 1.3 on Sunday.

[quote]It may work for some small businesses, but a lot of big businesses won't be able to endure a schedule of reopen, then close again, then reopen again, then close again. How can a business do any kind of planning and scheduling if they never know when they'll be open or closed?

The businesses that figure out how to keep their employees safe will handle this just fine. Those that do not, or will not, will struggle. This won't be a daily thing.

[quote]And this strategy would never work for schools and colleges. You can't send students back to campus for a few weeks, then order them to leave, then order them to return again, then order them to leave again.

Sure you can, particularly now that they've got video teaching.

So now Mike Pence is not going to quarantine after all. He's reportedly going to the White House of Death today.

Selfish Bastard.

Ahem- who’s going to take out $250,000 in tuition loans for a video degree?

R119, welcome to the new normal. The institutions that get it will thrive; those that don't will struggle. And a degree from, say, Harvard will still be just as valuable even if it was achieved in part through video teaching.

Harvard will be on it. Harvard has long operated a thriving evening degree program. It functions quite separately from the regular 4 year program. But when you graduate, your degree is from... Harvard.

The management of the school will not miss the chance to exploit a new way to cash in on the name.

I don’t doubt Harvard will try very, very hard.

I graduated from an Ivy. The degree has been valuable. The contacts, invaluable.

r109, actually, DC IS a hot zone, sixth in the nation in COVID deaths per million. That's probably because aside from the moneyed government enclaves it has a high rate of poverty, but diseases from the working class have a way of walking into palaces via the servants' entrance.

I have been having dreams every night that start out rather banal and then I realize I'm out and about with no mask and no gloves and everyone is bearing down upon me, and they don't have masks or gloves and I'm trying to escape. I keep wondering if there's going to come a night where I dream and everyone just automatically is wearing protective gear.

R116 we're on our way to a new lockdown while the first one has barely ended

Some good news on the potential treatments front.

The Kill Your Grandmother Troll needs to shut the fuck up. Probably some spazzy 90 year old in a care home.

[QUOTE] This country is lost. At this point I'm beginning to believe we're getting exactly what we deserve.

There's a ventilator with your name on it, Doomsday Troll!

[QUOTE] That strategy won't work. People will never go along with a strategy of reopen, then lock back down, then reopen again, then lock back down again.

Why not? Better than being closed all the time for months.

I'm in North Dallas. I went out yesterday. This was the first 'official' time I had really been out since March 8, excepting the time had to pick up an online-order purchase at a contactless Walmart kiosk when every single smoke detector in my house abruptly 'expired' and started beeping.

I went to a nursery, thinking since it was mostly outside I would be able to keep my distance. It wasn't super crowded, but half of us were wearing masks and half weren't, and the half who weren't didn't give a fuck about breezing right past within inches of others when there was a ten-foot 'aisle' between the shrubs and the trees.

I'm an avid gardener and I spend hours at this place every spring. Yesterday I was there for about 5-7 minutes and I didn't enjoy it at all. I can't imagine going back out any time soon.

News stories this morning reporting clusters of Covid cases popping up in various areas of the country, traced back to gatherings of several people. One even reported in Wuhan.

This disease has our country, as well as the entire world by the balls, and it's not loosening it's grip. The next round is going to hit just in time for summer holidays.

South Korea gays, you're in danger, girl.

I'll probably never fly again, but if I did, I'd boycott United.

R131 yup lockdown nr 2 better buy an extra freezer and stock up

Our lives weren't that bad, weren't they? before this madness.

R133 What are people expecting though? Airlines are still businesses who try making a profit with selling their seats. Flying empty planes across the country to guarantee social distancing means they're losing money with every flight and what company would offer a service they're losing money with?

R135 There's also ethics, Economically it doesn't make sense no.

R135 That's the sort of argument that's been made against every business safety improvement in the industrial era, from child labor laws and getting lead out of tin cans on foreward. Industries suck it up and adjust.

YEs, R135, but people bought those tickets with the understanding that the middle seats would remain empty. Maybe United would prefer people switch to an airline that doesn't lie to them. Then they'll know what losing money is like.

R138 I agree they shouldn't lie no and I mentioned ethics because it's not just about the airline but also about the passengers. This is my personal opinion, I wouldn't go on a full plane anytime soon. I wouldn't want to infect others or be infected. A good alternative would be good tests. In Korea they have these 5 min tests and they test people all the time.I think our government is cheating us out of freedom thb

"Industries suck it up and adjust."

A possibility, yes, but it probably means that most people cannot afford air travel in the foreseeable future. If it's only 1 person per row, they have to triple their fares (probably even more since not all people pay the same price for a ticket).

I can’t see the OP of this thread.

CNBC: Urgent care provider CityMD accidentally told 15,000 people in New York and New Jersey who tested positive for coronavirus antibodies that they’re immune to the virus.

Public health officials say it remains unclear whether those with antibodies against the coronavirus are immune to reinfection.

Since CNBC reached out for comment, CityMD has corrected the language and is reaching out to affected patients.

R142 bye CityMD! That’ll be one hell of a class action.

[quote]And this strategy would never work for schools and colleges.

LAUSD already has backup plans in place for this, via online instruction. My cousin in a much smaller district in Ohio was told the same. Many colleges are already enrolling for their fall semesters with extra online classes. It may not be a smooth process for all schools, but it's far from impossible.

[quote]I can’t see the OP of this thread.

Have you tried glasses?

Speaking of trolls:

[quote]The Kill Your Grandmother Troll needs to shut the fuck up. Probably some spazzy 90 year old in a care home.

[quote]There's a ventilator with your name on it, Doomsday Troll!

[quote]Fuck off False Flag loon

[quote]MARY! Massive cowardly spaz.

[quote]So many cowardly little spazzy Marys on these threads.

[quote]R77 = Welp Troll

[quote]R89 = Millions Will Die Troll

[quote]R89 won Most Annoying Troll in this poll.

[quote]Fuck off, Welp Troll. Go get a prescription for your paranoid delusions.

[quote]Don't let the Russian Bot Accuser Troll get your thread shut down, guys.

[quote] I graduated from an Ivy. The degree has been valuable. The contacts, invaluable.

It will be the same for me. My Zoom contacts will open so many virtual doors for me.

" it remains unclear whether those with antibodies against the coronavirus are immune to reinfection." And yet they are still working on a vaccine? Is this not how vaccines work? I know they are just being cautious, but come on.

Oh, R148. The vaccine is not to help you, except that if it does confer some benefit, the pharmaceutical company can get rich off it.

[quote]"it remains unclear whether those with antibodies against the coronavirus are immune to reinfection." And yet they are still working on a vaccine?

Of course, because waiting until immunity is proven beyond a doubt will waste too much time.

R150 but injecting the world population with a hardly tested vaccine with a.o consequences like narcolepsy and infertility are much better.

[quote] It may not be a smooth process for all schools, but it's far from impossible.

I didn't say it would be impossible for schools to go online. They're already doing online instruction now. I said it would be impossible for them to have students move back to campus in the fall, then lock down again and tell them to go back home, then tell them to return again, then tell them to leave again. You can either reopen or you can stay closed. But you can't keep alternating back and forth, as some have suggested.

Face masks are now compulsory on the Paris metro system and commuters will need certificates from their employers to explain why they are traveling in rush hour. Those who don't risk being fined 135 euros ($145)

The number of New York City residents who were hospitalized yesterday for Covid was in the 50s yet the State number was over 500. NYC used to be responsible for more than half the cases,. Cuomo should talk about this a little more and explain what's going on.

The good news is that at this rate in about 2-3 weeks the daily death rate for NYC should be down to 10 people a day which would be fantastic.

R153 Should we assume the entire country of France won't be taking their month-long summer vacation this year?

And I said, r91, that several schools have already addressed that very issue. I'm not talking about current online instruction. I'm talking about what we have been told about the inevitable spikes that may require us to go back to online instruction again.

[quote]"it remains unclear whether those with antibodies against the coronavirus are immune to reinfection."

The majority opinion is that you do have immunity once you've been infected. There was some confusion because some patients kept testing positive, but that was chalked up to the test not being able to differentiate between new infection and existing antibodies.

ABC:

New White House precautions include requiring masks in Trump's West Wing

[quote]The majority opinion is that you do have immunity once you've been infected.

Indeed. But for now, that's just opinion and not proven fact.

CNBC: Many recovered Covid-19 patients are reporting a longer road to “full health” than expected and some appear to have relapsed, the World Health Organization said Monday.

“Certainly, there have been some reported cases of putative relapse, so, people who have fallen sick again,” Dr. Mike Ryan, executive director of the WHO’s emergencies program, said during a press conference at the agency’s headquarters in Geneva. “A lot of work is going now to see whether people have been reinfected or whether it’s just a chronic part of the condition.”

Overall, the WHO has observed that about 40% of patients develop “mild disease and will recover just fine,” said Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of the WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit. She said another 40% of patients develop moderate symptoms, including pneumonia, but do not require hospitalization or intubation. An additional 15% develop severe disease, and 5% are “critical.”

R157, do you have citations for that?

There has certainly been speculation that immunity might exist when antibodies are formed, but a "majority of opinion" is not at all my reading of it. I think immunity is an open question. As is, how long that immunity might last and how strong it would be.

[quote] that several schools have already addressed that very issue. I'm not talking about current online instruction. I'm talking about what we have been told about the inevitable spikes that may require us to go back to online instruction again.

It's not the instruction that's the challenge. It's the students who live on campus. You can't tell students to move back into the dorms in the fall for a few weeks, and then, when cases spike, collect all their belongings and move back home with their parents for a few weeks. And then, when things subside, move back to campus again for a few weeks. And then move back home again. I mean, you CAN tell students to do that. But they won't stand for it. They will quit and drop out. I'm a college instructor, and the consensus at my school is that we can either stay online or go back to face to face in the fall, but if we have to keep alternating between the two as cases increase and decrease, it will be a clusterfuck.

A horrifying story from the LA Times:

The decision that Celia Marcos made, the one that would ultimately steal years from her life, had been hard-wired after decades working as a nurse.

On the ward that she oversaw at Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center, a man with COVID-19 had stopped breathing. Marcos’ face was covered only with a thin surgical mask, and obtaining a more protective N95 mask before entering his room would have wasted valuable time, her colleagues say.

The 61-year-old charge nurse knew the chest compressions and other breathing treatments the patient needed would likely spew dangerous virus particles into the air that could land on her face and clothing. She would be at high risk of catching the coronavirus.

Marcos raced into the room. Fourteen days later, she was dead. Marcos died in the same hospital where she had worked for more than 16 years, one of at least 36 healthcare workers in California who have succumbed to COVID-19.

Nurse Marcos should have spent more time hanging around Data Lounge. I'd wager that had she done that, she would have made a very different choice when the patient went bad.

Thank you for clarifying, r91/r162. It wasn't clear in your original comment you were only referring to college campuses.

Unfortunately, spikes have been predicted and the reality of lawsuits will probably make many colleges and universities offer the safer online option, rather than deal with the hassles you described or risk getting sued.

r163 So, did the man live or die? Cause if he died anyway then what a waste.

The article didn't say, R166.

LA county is opening its beaches on Wednesday. Fuck you, Gavin Newsom.

The US death toll is going down day by day. The Millions will Die Troll won't be happy.

Well R168, it's must have been cold there in my shadow.

Thank you, President Trump.

Meanwhile, for those who live on this plane of existence....

During this entire pandemic, we haven't heard anything about the refugess and kids in cages in Texas. I guess they are all dead by now.

'we haven't heard anything about the refugess and kids in cages in Texas. I guess they are all dead by now.'

Stupid Doomsday Troll. Most of them are young so would be 100% bucking the trend if they'd all died.

R172 Just in the news today.

Thanks R174!

[quote]The US death toll is going down day by day. The Millions will Die Troll won't be happy.

Yay, what we're doing is working...let's hurry up and stop doing it as fast as possible! Idiots.

On CNN this morning they had a state attorney from Palm Beach county who said the reason Florida has a low count is because they don't count private lab testing.... 90% of the testing in Florida is done in private labs.

^Wow. Shady fuckers

Florida is practically one big nursing home and we've seen what's happening in nursing homes.

Well, actually, in Florida, we mostly haven't, because the state has been fighting tooth and nail against sharing that data.

So what else is new?

Guardian-New York City’s death toll from the coronavirus may be thousands of fatalities worse than the tally kept by the city and state, according to an analysis released Monday by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Between 11 March and 2 May, about 24,000 more people died in the city than researchers would ordinarily expect during that time period, the report said. Thats about 5,300 more deaths than were blamed on the coronavirus in official tallies during those weeks.

BBC-India confirmed its biggest number of daily infections yet on Monday, as 4,213 fresh cases were reported by the health ministry.The country now has nearly 70,000 cases in total - this includes more than 20,000 patients who have recovered or been discharged, as well as 2,206 who have died. Infections have been steadily climbing - almost 8,000 new cases were reported in the last two days.

What Dr. Fauci intends to tell the Senate today

NYT-“The major message that I wish to convey to the Senate HLP committee tomorrow is the danger of trying to open the country prematurely,” he wrote. “If we skip over the checkpoints in the guidelines to: ‘Open America Again,’ then we risk the danger of multiple outbreaks throughout the country. This will not only result in needless suffering and death, but would actually set us back on our quest to return to normal.”

I'm noticing more of that too where I live, R130. People, overwhelmingly younger men, almost aggressively defying the social distancing requirement. Entitled assholes, acting like they own the space and not giving a shit. A few times I've gotten a cold glare like, "I dare you to say something"

[quote]What Dr. Fauci intends to tell the Senate today

Is Fauci still showing up today if he's self-isolating?

White House task force report shows coronavirus cases spiking in these cities, which recorded surges of 72.4 percent or greater over a seven-day period compared to the previous week:

-Nashville

-Des Moines

-Amarillo

-Kansas City

-Charlotte

-Omaha

-Minneapolis

-Phoenix

-Columbus

-Montgomery

-Central City, KY

CNN: As Fox News stars echo Trump's call to "reopen the country," Fox extended the company's work-from-home directive through June 15. The date could be delayed further.

r186 I heard them say this morning he would be doing it remotely

The second wave is already happening.

the lockdown was only to unburden the health care system a bit, it had little to do with public safety so more lockdowns to come when the hospitals can't handle the amounts of patients anymore.

[quote] it had little to do with public safety

Yes, R191, because it’s not in the public interest to have available hospital beds. 🙄

the other option would be to invest in healthcare and get more medical staff and more beds R192

Putin spokesman hospitalized with COVID-19

Well, we were on that path as a country until you assholes elected Trump

Will today's hearings actually make any difference, or will Trump continue to bow to pressure?

And then, of course, he will certainly consider how any actions taken will positively or negatively effect his personal financial interest.

After all, money make$ the world go 'round.

Trump is not really bowing to pressure. To make that statement, one must explain just who is applying that pressure. The only likely candidate is Trump's own ignorance. The best way to make his poll numbers go up is to do his job and lead the country through a time of crisis. But he can't because he's too deranged mentally and emotionally, too limited by learning disabilities, and too insecure to accept help.

He didn't file bankruptcy six times because he was cleverly using the weaknesses in the law to his own advantage. He filed bankruptcy six times because the fucker failed six times. He went bust six times. He bankrupted himself six times. And now, he's doing it to all of us.

He is that dumb. He is just as ignorant as he appears. Accept. This wannabe king has no clothes. He's just a pig wandering aimlessly in the pig pen, snarfing down goodies when he finds them and shitting all over the place.

Loeffler, Braun, Burr, Paul, Cassidy and Murkowski are not wearing masks.

I thought at least Murkowski would be smarter than that.

Sing, little birdie, sing

BBC-Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders starts by asking Dr Fauci if the number of US deaths is correct, or could be as much as 50% higher. "Most of us feel that the number of deaths are likely higher than" the official count, says Dr Fauci. "Given the situation - particularly in New York City when they were really strapped with a very serious challenge to their healthcare system - there may have been people who died at home who had Covid but who were never diagnosed [...] because they never got to a hospital." He adds that the idea of the disease vanishing on its own is nearly impossible because it's such a "highly transmissible virus". "Even if we get control over the next few months it is likely there will be virus somewhere on this planet that will get back to us," Fauci warns. He adds that it's "entirely conceivable and possible" that a second wave of the pandemic will happen.

Susan Collins is very concerned about people forgoing dental care. Must be she gets a lot of $$$ from the American Dental Association.

Dr. Fauci

BBC-"There is no doubt, even under the best of circumstances, when you pull back on mitigation you will see some cases appear," says Dr Fauci, as he warns that the infection rate will climb. "Responding to those cases with good identification, isolation and contact tracing," is necessary to stop isolated outbreaks from spreading further, he continues.

It does appear that the number of cases and deaths has started to fall. For the past couple of days, the number of new deaths in the US has dropped to about 1000 a day (instead of 2000) and the number of new cases has dropped to about 20,000 (instead of 25,000-30,000). We'll see how long it lasts. I suppose that in a couple of weeks, it will start rising again as a result of states reopening things.

R202. The figures for the last 2 days may have been affected by reporting delays due to the weekend. Some members here have also mentioned under-reporting, etc., from red states. A review of excess deaths will shed more light on this

BBC- The official coronavirus death toll in the UK has risen to 32,692 - up 627 on yesterday's figure. But if "excess deaths" - all those which would not have occurred without the virus - are added, the number of people who have died as a result of the UK pandemic is more than 50,000.

The truth is THERE. We just have to find it

The Hill:

House Democrats unveil $3 trillion coronavirus relief package

R206. No! This is just crazy! The economy is already on pins and needles as it is.

Bye bye Broadway.

Russia knocks UK out of third place.

I hope that cunt Svetlana Khorkina is lying in bed, gasping for breath.

Sorry, here’s the link:

[quote]Russia knocks UK out of third place.

Is it the semi-finals yet?

Svetlana Khorkina in space!!!!

r202

Yes, cases are going down - but when you carve out the tristate area (NY, CT, NJ) cases are still trending up. You need to add that Florida has reported fully yet.

See chart below from Talking Points Memo

Exactly R214: Maddow covered this the other night. With NY, NJ included, trending down. Remove those 2 states, trending up.

Yep. Already +1000 deaths now in the US. We still have a long way to go

LA Times: Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will “with all certainty” be extended for the next three months, county Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer acknowledged during a Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday.

Los Angeles County last week loosened some stay-at-home rules, reopening some trails and allowing some retail stores to begin curbside services with social distancing. But Ferrer warned Tuesday that further loosening of the rules will be slow.

Guess we'll never see Fauci at the White House again:

SEN. MITT ROMNEY: "The President said the other day that President Obama is responsible for our lack of a vaccine. Is President Obama, or by extension, President Trump, did they do something that made the likelihood of creating a vaccine less likely?"

FAUCI: "No, no, Senator. Not at all."

Correction: +1300 deaths now

Correction: +1300 deaths now

Yes, LA has extended the stay at home order and all CA State Universities are extending online classes through the fall, yet shithead Newsom is making plans to get restaurants open for dine in service. I hate that fucking asshole.

AP:

Choir practice in March seen as superspreader event

Rand Paul goes after The Fauci

[quote] Paul then targeted Fauci personally: “As much as I respect you Dr. Fauci, I don’t think you’re the end-all, I don’t think you’re the one person that gets to make the decision. We can listen to your advice. But there are people on the other side saying there won’t be a surge and we can safely open the economy.”

[quote] Fauci asked for a chance to respond, and pushed back. “I never made myself out to be the end-all,” he said. “I’m a scientist, a physician, and a public health official. I give advice according to the best scientific evidence.”

[quote] Fauci then turned Paul’s own phrasing on him. “You used the word we should be ‘humble’ about what we don’t know. I think that falls under the fact that we don’t know everything about this virus, and we really had better be very careful, particularly when it comes to children,” Fauci said.

[quote] “Because the more and more we learn, we’re seeing things about what this virus can do that we didn’t see from the studies in China or in Europe. For example, right now children presenting with Covid-19 who actually have a very strange inflammatory syndrome, very similar to Kawasaki syndrome,” Fauci said.

[quote] “You’re right in the numbers, that children in general do much, much better than adults and the elderly and particularly those with underlying conditions,” Fauci concluded. “But I am very careful, and hopefully humble, in knowing that I don’t know everything about this disease. And that’s why I’m reserved in making broad predictions.”

Fauci 3

Paul 0 (and deserved surgery)

CNN: The onset of five Covid-19 cases in five separate counties in Ohio happened as early as January. This meshes with a growing body of research suggesting the virus was spreading in the United States and elsewhere at least weeks, if not months, before official case counts started picking up in February and March.

Who gives a shit when it started? I want it to fucking END.

R218 Until Biden takes over.... My 72 year old mom is not political at all but she knows the word on the streets. Regardless of what the polls say, she says that people are sick of Trump and his shenanigans. She also thought the Hillary wouldn't win despite her lead going in to election day. So who knows. Maybe just maybe people are ready for a change. Lets hope!

Corona poll "troll". I miss you! Please come back!

Collins is playing dumb.

Collin's is playing dumb.

She doesn't have to try very hard.

This was an outbreak of Covid-19 from 70 Nike employees travelling to Edinburgh back in February, which we in Scotland are only just beginning to find out about now. Makes me wonder what else the authorities have been covering up.

[quote]No! This is just crazy! The economy is already on pins and needles as it is.

Um ... that's precisely why we need this.

Not exactly sure what Putin is up to, but the numbers from Russia are puzzling and misleading to say the least. Hundreds of thousands of cases and relatively few deaths. Despite their close ties with China, they went from virtually no reported cases to multiple thousands of cases overnight. Oh, and with tons of "pnemonia" related deaths in early part of the year. And now, despite all of the record number of so called cases, they will open up again. Total bullshit! Remember the Diamond Princess! So far, this is the best case study we have regarding the mortality rate. Even with constant testing and immediate hospitalization for those who tested positive, nearly 2% died.

R232. Oh really? The national debt of the US is already 25 trillion dollars. Where do you think all of this extra money will come from? Foreign investors maybe? China perhaps?

Massive Inflation

R233 What was the average age of the Diamond Princess population? Don't cruises tend to skew old?

It can all be paid off in a couple of years when we start taxing the fucking rich people at the rates they should have been being taxed fo the last 50 years. I only wish we could make it retroactive to make those assholes pay up.

sorry if this has already been answered but if someone uninsured gets coronavirus, how much will the hospitalization cost if assuming 2 week stay? If the virus doesn't kill you, the hospital bills will.

Canada looking at "stronger measures" for US border as states reopen, prime minister says

From CNN’s Paula Newton

Canada is looking to strengthen surveillance at US border crossings as discussions continue between the two countries about when and how to reopen the border to nonessential travel.

“We are looking at stronger measures to make sure that we’re following up appropriately on people who come over,” said Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau during a press conference in Ottawa Tuesday.

The Canadian government is looking at administering questionnaires, contact tracking apps, temperature and medical history checks.

“We’re going to be very, very careful about reopening any international travel, including the United States before we feel that it is time,” Trudeau said.

Some background: Canada and the US agreed to close the border to nonessential travel in March and the current agreement, already extended, expires May 21. There is still no decision on whether the border agreement will remain in place beyond that date.

Canadian premiers and mayors across the country have expressed concern about fully reopening the border as the US continues to deal with Covid outbreaks and significant community spread.

“Preventing transmission from outside of Canada into Canada, once we have controlled the spread within Canada, will be an essential part of ensuring that we don’t fall back into a second wave that could be as serious as this wave we’re going through, or even more so,” Trudeau said.

Nearly 27,000 deaths from coronavirus reported in France

From CNN's Eva Tapiero in Paris

The French death toll from coronavirus is now at least 26,99, with an increase of 348 reported deaths, according to the French Health Ministry.

In addition to the number of deaths, the ministry also said that 21,595 people remain in hospital.

AT YOUR REQUEST, R228 . . . . . . . . . .

⏳CORONA TIME - MAY 12 - 4:45 PM EST

😷 INTERNATIONAL NURSES DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,326,966

DEATHS: 291,818

CRITICAL: 46,336

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,404,386

DEATHS: 83,211

CRITICAL: 16,449

👍 #GoLittleAnthony ! GIVE 'EM HELL

Are restaurants in CA gonna have shower curtains like in OH?

R237. Aw, you're so sweet. But, never gonna happen as long as Mitch and his millionaire buddies are around. I guess we will be China's bitch, one way or another. Sad.

R241. SO glad you are back!!!

CNN: Coronavirus model touted by White House no projects 147,000 U.S. deaths by August 4.

How 'bout we stop building that stupid wall and use some of that money.

Is that new Dem deal the one that includes 2K a month to people?

[quote] Until Biden takes over ... Maybe just maybe people are ready for a change. Lets hope!

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but the coronavirus is such a nasty bitch, and so much of the damage that Trump has done is irreversible, that I don't expect Biden to truly turn things around for quite awhile (of course, he will be 1000% better than Trump). Even with Democrats in charge, It's going to take years to undo what's been done just in the past few months. And it probably doesn't help that Biden will be pushing 80. He won't exactly be a ball of energy. No matter what happens politically, things will be grim for the foreseeable future.

[quote] CNN: Coronavirus model touted by White House no projects 147,000 U.S. deaths by August 4.

That model, from the IHME, is projecting 1,000 or more deaths a day through June 10. The downward slope is going to be much, much slower than the upward slope was.

Yay! Corona Poll Troll is back!

R248, Biden will appoint a fantastic cabinet, which will make all the difference.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Something stinks around the r241 area.

These people cannot keep away from each other.

NIH has stopped texting Remdesivir as the potential standard and stepping stone for Covid-19 treatments. Their own testing, and another test in China, show little or no help and it doesn't justify further testing.

[quote]Oh really? The national debt of the US is already 25 trillion dollars. Where do you think all of this extra money will come from? Foreign investors maybe? China perhaps?

*sigh* Sending the U.S. into a deeper recession because you don't want to add to the national debt ... adds to the national debt. You spend now so that you don't have to spend as much later.

As for the debt, we get out of it the same way we've gotten out of it before. Once the crisis is over, you cut back on the spending and you raise the taxes. It's just not that complicated.

😙 [italic] You load sixteen tons, what do you get?

Another day older and deeper in debt

Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go

I owe my soul to the company store

R255 Do you have a source for that?

Guardian-Brazil reported a record 881 Covid-19 deaths in 24 hours on Tuesday, its health ministry said, taking its total to 12,400 and making it the world’s sixth worst-affected country in terms of deaths, according to John Hopkins University figures. Its total of 177,589 confirmed cases is the world’s seventh-highest. Earlier far-right president Jair Bolsonaro – who has attacked social isolation measures introduced by state governors – issued a decree declaring beauty salons, gyms and barbers “essential services” that could open. Several governors said they would ignore the decree.

BBC-The vice mayor of China's Jilin city has warned of a "huge risk" that the virus could spread further, amid a spate of cases in the province. Gai Dongping told reporters that authorities in Jilin city would step up measures to curb and contain the virus, according to a Reuters report. The city - which shares the same name as the north-eastern province - has already stopped outgoing train services. The province reported six new virus cases today - last week, 11 local cases were reported in nearby Shulan, all said to be linked to one local laundrywoman. Shulan has implemented a more severe lockdown than Jilin city.

This is interesting. It calculates the number of deaths and births for every country. I wonder what the average daily death rate in the US was, prior to Covid19.

1000 people dying a day sounds horrible, but since we all die anyway, what was the number prior to Covid19 - a baseline of sorts.

Considering how much money dump has shoveled to his cronies’ corporations, it’s a little specious to complain about giving money to actual people.

Pray tell, R256, how does it work when corporations and the1% continue to get tax breaks? Then who takes care of that debt?

R241 I humbly suggest our Corona Counter start reporting Daily Deaths for International and US as well? The numbers are getting so astronomical. Thank you for the stats.

UK Coronavirus Update 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

Tuesday 12/05/20: 226,463 cases

3,403 new cases

Deaths: 32,692

New deaths: 627

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 13 - 8:00 AM EST

🍎 NATIONAL APPLE PIE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,363,011

DEATHS: 293,348

CRITICAL: 46,344

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,408,745

DEATHS: 83,499

CRITICAL: 16,473

🐝 BE SAFE !

From today's NYTimes:

Lots of myths about testing:

"Whether you think the country is reopening too fast or too slowly (or whether you think “it depends”), almost everyone agrees that testing should be critical to the next phase of our coronavirus existence. In particular, antibody tests that detect whether a person has developed immunity to the virus seem to offer a promising path forward."

"But what does a positive antibody test mean? It means you should feel confident that you can work, shop and socialize without getting sick or infecting others, right?"

"Not so fast."

🏊New guidelines issued to establish and maintain a safe environment at public pools/aquatic centers. Seriously?

I'm sure people will rejoice and descend upon these areas, but you can count me out of this one. I wouldn't even go under "normal" circumstances

People are going to wear a mask in a swimming pool while swimming?

MSNBC's Kaitlan Collins:

Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell said this morning that almost 40 percent of households earning less than $40,000/year (as of February) lost their jobs in March.

R261, ya idjit, that's 1000-2000 people dying every day from ONE THING. No comparison.

ONE BRAND NEW THING.

Pelosi On $3 Trillion Relief Bill 'The American People Are Worth It' | Morning Joe | MSNBC

MSNBC: In his testimony tomorrow, Dr. Rick Bright, the ousted director of a key federal office charged with medial countermeasures, is expected to warn that the U.S. will face "unprecedented illness and fatalities" without additional preparations.

"Without clear planning...2020 will be darkest winter in modern history."

R274. Should be interesting. Looking forward to what he has to say

SkyNews @SkyNews · 9h Buses in London are packed with passengers this morning, despite the govt asking people to avoid public transport if possible when the #coronavirus lockdown eased

He is literally trying to kill us all!

BBC-The Guardian’s US live blog has now started, with news of a gulf opening between the country’s public health body, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the White House on how to safely reopen the economy amid the coronavirus pandemic. My colleagues across the Atlantic report that advice from the nation’s top disease control experts included detailed instructive guidance and more restrictive measures than the plan released by the White House last month. The guidance, which was shelved by Trump administration officials, also offered recommendations to help communities decide when to shut facilities dyown again during future flareups of Covid-19.

ABCNews @ABC

AU REVOIR LOCKDOWN: Drone footage shows life returning to the streets of Paris, after France eased its coronavirus restrictions.

Exclusive: U.S. airlines tell crews not to force passengers to wear masks

(Reuters) - The top three U.S. airlines have told their flight attendants not to force passengers to comply with their new policy requiring face coverings, just encourage them to do so, according to employee policies reviewed by Reuters.

American Airlines Group Inc (AAL.O), Delta Air Lines Inc (DAL.N) and United Airlines Holdings Inc (UAL.O) have told employees that they may deny boarding at the gate to anyone not wearing a face covering, and are providing masks to passengers who do not have them, the three carriers told Reuters.

Inside the plane, enforcement becomes more difficult.

“Once on board and off the gate, the face covering policy becomes more lenient. The flight attendant’s role is informational, not enforcement, with respect to the face covering policy,” American told its pilots in a message seen by Reuters explaining its policy, which went into effect on Monday.

“Bottom line to the pilots: a passenger on board your aircraft who is being compliant with the exception of wearing a face covering is NOT considered disruptive enough to trigger a Threat Level 1 response,” referring to some kind of intentional disruption by a passenger that could cause the captain to divert the flight. American spokesman Joshua Freed said: “American, like other U.S. airlines, requires customers to wear a face covering while on board, and this requirement is enforced at the gate while boarding. We also remind customers with announcements both during boarding and at departure.”

A United spokeswoman also said that any non-compliance by travelers would be addressed at the gate and that flight attendants had been counseled to use their “de-escalation skills” on the aircraft and to reseat any passengers as needed.

Delta said it had a similar policy.

‘ENCOURAGE THEM TO COMPLY’

All three airlines offer certain exemptions for young children or people with medical conditions or disabilities, and when people are eating or drinking.

“If the customer chooses not to comply for other reasons, please encourage them to comply, but do not escalate further,” American told flight attendants in a message on Friday that it provided to Reuters.

“Likewise, if a customer is frustrated by another customer’s lack of face covering, please use situational awareness to de-escalate the situation,” it said.

U.S. travel demand has fallen by about 94% in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, prompting carriers to slash their flying schedules to roughly 30% of normal this month. With fewer planes in the skies, some are flying near capacity.

Global airlines body IATA came out last week in favor of passengers wearing masks onboard, as debate intensifies in the United States on the role that government agencies should play in mandating new safety measures for flying before a vaccine is developed.

While major U.S. airlines have individually mandated facial coverings, the Federal Aviation Administration has declined to implement the requirement, and it is not clear if the agency has the authority to compel passengers to wear face masks.

In a statement on Tuesday, the FAA said it would continue to engage in discussions about protecting the health and safety of flight crews and the traveling public and was “lending aviation expertise to federal public health agencies and airlines as they issue guidance for crew members, including health monitoring, screening protocols and aircraft cleaning.”

Several airline union groups have called for a federal mandate on measures including masks, social distancing and cleaning.

“Airlines are implementing policies on the fly with essentially no coordination or direction from the federal government,” said Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, representing nearly 50,000 flight attendants at 19 airlines. “We need federal requirements that mitigate risk during this pandemic and put the safety of crews and the traveling public first.”

I've been very far away for a while but happened to catch Alec Baldwin on SNL recently. So glad to know that this is all just a bad joke and that President Hillary Clinton is in charge during this very critical time. I couldn't imagine a world with that other buffoon...... Wait......WHAT? Seriously???You're kidding right?

Abbott Test Still Misses Many Covid Cases, NYU Study Says

The coronavirus test from Abbott Laboratories used at the White House to get rapid answers to whether someone is infected may miss as many as half of positive cases, according to a report from New York University.

The analysis, which has yet to be confirmed, found that Abbott’s ID NOW missed at least one-third of positive cases detected with a rival test and much as 48% when using the currently recommended dry nasal swabs, according to the report posted on BioRxiv, a server where researchers post early work before it has been reviewed by other scientists.

The results, if confirmed, indicate that the Abbott test may still suffer from very high false negative rates despite changes recommended by Abbott to avoid such a problem. In April, after other academic researchers raised concerns about high false-negative rates, Abbott recommended that clinicians avoid storing samples in so-called transport media, a liquid used to keep a sample, as that might dilute the test and lead to false negatives.

But when the NYU authors attempted to account for changes recommended by Abbott to avoid false negatives by using dry swabs, the performance was even worse. It missed the virus in 48% of the samples that were positive using Cepheid GeneXpert, a standard reference test sold by Danaher Corp. The NYU study hasn’t yet been reviewed by outside experts or published in a scientific journal.

Abbott didn’t immediately comment on the study.

False negatives have been a concern. Doctors have reported patients with obvious signs of the disease testing negative. While the scale of the problem hasn’t yet been determined, experts agree that it is prevalent.

False negatives not only hinder the diagnosis of disease in individual patients and an accurate understanding of the full scope of the outbreak, but they also risk patients who think they aren’t ill further spreading the virus.

Doctors at hospitals around the country have reported patients testing negative sometimes multiple times before eventually testing positive. Some doctors have instead at times turned to other methods of diagnosis, such as chest X-rays or CT scans.

The White House is frequently testing staff, governors, lawmakers, reporters and others who come in close contact with the president using ID Now. The testing machine, which is roughly the size of a toaster, is also more portable and doesn’t require deep nasal swabs, about which the president once said there is “nothing pleasant.”

White House staff are tested roughly once a week and aides who interact with Trump on a regular basis are tested daily. Safety protocols have been ramped up at the White House after Vice President Mike Pence’s spokeswoman, Katie Miller, tested positive. Reporters, who were not tested regularly, are now tested daily using ID Now.

Trump touted the Abbott machine with great fanfare in the White House Rose Garden after the Food and Drug Administration approved it for emergency use, saying it could be a godsend for hospitals and workplaces because it “delivers lightning-fast results in as little as five minutes.”

“That’s a whole new ballgame,” the president said at the March 30 event.

Until there is a vaccine developed, tested, and proven effective beyond a doubt, there is no " returning to normal" for the United States, or any other country in the world.

NBC:

Democrats accuse Republicans of 'bad faith' as they invoke national debt to pause pandemic aid

R282. And then we would need to effectively distribute it throughout the entire world. Not an easy task

The hardest task will be fending off those struggling to gain control of the vaccine to manipulate the market for profit.

So much for accomplishing the task for " the greater good of mankind."

Another reason to hate the Chinese cunts!-----

Chinese hackers may be stealing coronavirus research, FBI says

Although deaths and cases are definitely under-reported in the US, we are very fortunate that the data is provided by the individual states rather than one figure provided by the federal government like many other countries do. You can only imagine the shenanigans that would occur with this administration.

R278 It's good to see France reopening.

Interesting to note these figures:

Death rate per 1 mil.

US: 254

France: 414.

Testing per 1 mil.

US: 30,372

France: 21,213

Deaths yesterday:

The US: 1,630

France: 348 - equivalent per population: 1,670

Since this thread is open to everybody as opposed to the last one and since I don't know if it's going to last, I'm just popping in to say I hope everybody's doing ok.

Wishing well to all of you reading these threads since January.

R289 ........

🖖[italic] Live Long & Prosper

NY state now has the 4th highest number of deaths in the world, ahead of Spain and France. The US is 1st, followed by the UK and Italy.

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R274 I'll be watching.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 13 - 5:45 PM EST

🍎 NATIONAL APPLE PIE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,412,866

DEATHS: 297,008

CRITICAL: 45,932

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,426,899

DEATHS: 84,962

CRITICAL: 16,349

🎭 DON'T FORGET YOUR MASK !

Reuters:

Trump calls Fauci remarks on risks to reopening economy unacceptable

[quote]Trump calls Fauci remarks on risks to reopening economy unacceptable

And yet I find the remarks totally acceptable.

[quote]Pray tell, R256, how does it work when corporations and the1% continue to get tax breaks? Then who takes care of that debt?

You vote for Democratic candidates and you push for a return to the Clinton-era tax levels. Prematurely giving up and going with austerity is a disastrous strategy, as we saw very clearly in the aftermath of 2008.

R286? Which kind of troll are you, Russian or Trumpista? I don't have you blocked yet, but now I will.

If the Chinese are "stealing" our research, more power to them. Scientific research, particularly in this instance, should be shared by all for the benefit of everyone. The sooner a cure/vaccine is found for this, the better.

The only assholes who want to keep this information to themselves are the selfish fucks who seek to profit from others' misfortunes. And you all know who they are.

That's a good start, R297 , but this trend began before the Clinton era. Since Clinton approved repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, he'd hardly be considered a champion of the underdog except in comparison to Trump.

WaPo: Ordinary speech can emit small respiratory droplets that linger in the air for at least eight minutes and potentially much longer, according to a study published Wednesday that could help explain why infections of the coronavirus so often cluster in nursing homes, households, conferences, cruise ships and other confined spaces with limited air circulation.

The report, from researchers at the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases and the University of Pennsylvania, was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, a peer-reviewed journal. It is based on an experiment that used laser light to study the number of small respiratory droplets emitted through human speech.

The answer: a lot.

Louder speech produces more droplets, they note. The paper estimates that one minute of “loud speaking” generates “at least 1,000 virion-containing droplet nuclei that remain airborne” for more than eight minutes.

R300 if everyone would just stop running their mouths so much, the risk would go down. Most of what comes out is useless BS anyway.

THIS:

Well goodbye to gyms. Thank the gods I live in L.A..

AFP news agency @AFP · 4h The new coronavirus may never go away and populations around the world will have to learn to live with it, the World Health Organization warned

JUST IN: Wisconsin's Supreme Court has overturned the state's stay-at-home order, ruling the order "unlawful" and "unenforceable"

The deciding vote being cast by the lame-duck justice that the WI GOP was willing to sacrifice the populace in order to protect.

He still lost.

That was a very brief decline, R169. Those few days were an anomaly. It's back to the 1600-2100 daily death rate again over the last couple of days (1772 today as I post this).

R298,

If someone isn’t going to benefit from the vaccine, they’re not going to invest in the research. Welcome to the real world.

In academia, it’s well known not to trust research coming from China. Many American PIs don’t want to hire Chinese in their labs because they know there’s a high chance the data will be falsified.

r298 do you think that the Chinese will stop at stealing JUST COVID-19 research? They will get everything they can, about anything. The labs all work on many things at once. No, no we don't want China stealing US research or tech, and they've been doing it for far too long already.

🈲 No surprise here. Every ting made in China.

Starting now, we're going to be seeing the deaths linked to Easter gatherings. They took a week or so to get sick. Another week or so hospitalized. Then, to the ICU. Then dead. One month, start to finish. That's why shit is spiking again now.

It will be way worse about three weeks from now after all the idiot states started opening up on May 1st.

In a week or two, we're going to see the sizeable fallout from Mother's Day.

You know they were gathering and nesting with Mom.

Guardian-The city of Moscow said on Wednesday it had ascribed the deaths of more than 60% of coronavirus patients in April to other causes as it defended what it said was the superior way it and Russia counted the number of people killed by the novel virus, Reuters reports.

[quote] In a week or two, we're going to see the sizeable fallout from Mother's Day.

And then, once that dies down, there will be the fallout from Memorial Day weekend.

The Millions will Die troll must be weeping. No chance of even 1m worldwide.

R315. Not the troll you mentioned but sadly you are totally wrong about your prediction. Worldwide deaths will most likely exceed 1 million before this is done. And this doesn't even take into account the massive amount of under-reporting.

I was listening to an epidemiologist on a virology podcast and he said that for herd immunity to be achieved in the U.S. at least 70% of the population would need to contract the virus (that's assuming that there is even such a thing as a durable immunity from reinfection after recovery, which is far from certain right now). The U.S. has a population of 328 million, so at a conservative fatality rate of 1%, that will amount to 2.3 million deaths in the U.S. alone if this disease continues unabated through the population.

This is the strategy that Trump and the GOP are pursuing.

R317. As well as a lot of other Americans regardless of political affiliation. It is a foolish strategy given the low number of infections till now, including undetected cases. It's crazy that only a handful of countries seem to appreciate the seriousness of this threat.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 14 - 8:25 AM EST

🐥 DANCE LIKE A CHICKEN DAY !

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,454,735

DEATHS: 298,847

CRITICAL: 45,784

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,430,348

DEATHS: 85,197

CRITICAL: 16,349

🐣 DANCE LIKE EVERYBODY'S WATCHING

About the Chinese stealing research, are they doing it to manufacture a cure, or are they doing it because they’re having a resurgence or anticipate one in the fall? Maybe they expect a severe fall and winter and are trying to come up with a treatment for themselves. They are ahead of the rest of us in watching this disease progress. It sounds like desperation.

New CBS poll shows Trump's approval numbers for handling the coronavirus outbreak continue to fall.

While we wait for a safe vaccine, which may either take years or never come at all, why can't we all get the BCG shots? It couldn't hurt.

This year we might possibly e facing the worst winter we've ever experienced, and it has nothing to do with snowfall.

This year we might possibly e facing the worst winter we've ever experienced, and it has nothing to do with snowfall.

Washington state -- which has one of the better responses in the US -- is averaging 32 cases per million per day. Italy is at 16.

Germany and France are below 10 cases per million per day.

The US is doing it wrong.

[quote]This year we might possibly e facing the worst winter we've ever experienced, and it has nothing to do with snowfall.

This is the entirety of your helpful post? Are you doom fetishist idiots all frustrated poets on the verge of killing yourselves or something? Was it also the winter of our discontent? I think you missed an opportunity for a little extra punch there. How fucking miserable a person are you?

Oh no, that’s terrible r321.

*bites fist*

yes, I heard about the BCG, weren't they doing studies about it regarding this virus?

Please post it here. One of my older friends got it when he was a teenager but he's now closer to 50, I wonder if it's still effective against anything?

🙉 [italic] Contact your doctor, R326, to see if Cymbalta® is right for you !

SkyNews @SkyNews · 26m Coronavirus: A quarter of COVID-19 patients who died in England had diabetes

R325 Please explain exactly what "cases" mean.

Guardian-Medical workers in Indonesia are complaining of persistent delays to an increase in coronavirus testing promised by their president, Joko Widodo, Reuters reports. The south east Asian nation, the world’s fourth most populous, has the highest coronavirus death toll in east Asia outside China, and one of the lowest global testing rates. Indonesia reported 568 new coronavirus cases on Thursday, taking the total to 16,006, with 1,043 deaths. It has so far conducted around 50 tests per 100,000 people, compared with 2,500 per 100,000 in neighbouring Singapore.

Guardian-Africa has so far largely been spared a widespread outbreak of Covid-19, even as Europe and the US have been gripped by the respiratory disease. However, the World Health Organization’s regional office for the continent says transmission in Africa is now picking up steam. Yesterday, the virus was confirmed to have spread to every African country after Lesotho, a tiny kingdom in the south of the continent. WHO: There has been a 42% increase in the number of confirmed cases of #COVID19 in the African Region in the past week. The West African region is most affected, accounting for 43% of cases.

But, but, but heat and humidity make it go away.

is OP a The Police/Sting fan?

R335 Yes, OP is. See also, Freakout 35: Don't Stand So Close to Me.

Over 300K deaths now according to Worldometer. And these are just the reported figures

Richard Burr's insider trading has cost him his committee chairmanship. Shame he was just re-elected, and sadly, even if he resigns, NC state law says a Republican has to be appointed to replace him.

+428 deaths in the UK. +262 deaths in Italy. +217 deaths in Spain. And thousands upon thousands of new cases. Still a long way to go in Europe.

Why is the disgusting CPT allowed to stick up the place?

Isn’t he in several other threads trumpeting the praises of rethugs.

[quote]Please post it here. One of my older friends got it when he was a teenager but he's now closer to 50, I wonder if it's still effective against anything?

The vaccine lasts about 10 years or so. There may be a slight bit of lingering immunity after that but, no, he is not protected.

As far as Africa's infection rate picking up, I really don't understand why anyone is surprised. This thing has followed a pretty obvious course. It's a slow, steady spread. It starts in larger cities and then spreads to the less populated regions in every country and on every continent. It is taking longer to spread in the warmer regions but not because the warmth is having an effect on the virus but because when it's warmer people don't congregate in indoor, enclosed areas as much. Africa and the southern US are both fucked.

Yes r340, he does add a special odor to the Datalounge. Especially when you can see more accurate, detailed and up-to-date information without all of his cutesy crap.

r320, we should be sharing our research with the rest of the world, yes, including China. That's the way science is supposed to work, especially when it involves something vital to human health and survival.

Colombian company creates bed that can double as coffin

BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — A Colombian advertising company is pitching a novel if morbid solution to shortages of hospital beds and coffins during the coronavirus pandemic: combine them.

ABC Displays has created a cardboard bed with metal railings that designers say can double as a casket if a patient dies.

Company manager Rodolfo Gómez said he was inspired to find a way to help after watching events unfold recently in nearby Ecuador.

Families in the coastal city of Guayaquil waited with dead loved ones in their homes for days last month as COVID-19 cases surged. Many could not find or were unable to afford a wood coffin, using donated cardboard ones instead.

“Poor families don’t have a way of paying for a coffin,” Gómez said.

Gómez said he plans to donate 10 of his new beds to Colombia’s Amazonas department, where resources are in short supply. So far there is no indication whether the beds will be put to use and no orders have been placed.

African countries might fare well better than others in terms of mortality because their populations are much younger -- the media age for the continent is just shy of 20 years old.

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[quote]+428 deaths in the UK. +262 deaths in Italy. +217 deaths in Spain. And thousands upon thousands of new cases. Still a long way to go in Europe.

Note that those 262 deaths in Italy would represent around 1310 deaths in the US.

And that's after 2 months of the strictest lockdown.

But even so: Italy is reopening.

Lockdowns are not sustainable.

R348. True. But neither is dying. People are only willing to stomach so much of either. It's a delicate balance.

I saw on the news that cats can spread the virus to other cats.

I had pink eye and still had symptoms (on/off fever, chest tightejning) even after I tested negative. I gather that probably happened because I still had the virus in my eyes as opposed to my nose where the swab test was conducted.

So much lying around the world. It is much, much worse than reported

NYT-The Mexican government is not reporting hundreds, possibly thousands, of deaths from the coronavirus in Mexico City, dismissing anxious officials who have tallied more than three times as many fatalities in the capital than the government publicly acknowledges, according to officials and confidential data reviewed by Azam Ahmed of The New York Times. Mexico City officials have tabulated more than 2,500 deaths from the virus and serious respiratory illnesses that doctors think are related to Covid-19, the data reviewed by The Times shows. Yet the federal government is reporting about 700 deaths in the area, which includes Mexico City and the municipalities on its outskirts.

WTF? Why are the fucking French exempt from quarantine in the UK as opposed to Germans? The Germans have had far fewer deaths and infections.

3 takeaways from coronavirus whistleblower Rick Bright’s testimony

NYT: At least 74,000 more people have died during the coronavirus pandemic than the official Covid-19 death counts report, a review of mortality data in 22 countries shows — providing a clearer, if still incomplete, picture of the toll of the crisis. Over the last two months, far more people have died in most of these countries than in previous years, The New York Times found.

Deltas: (UK: 18K) (Italy; 11K) (Equador: 8.5K) (Spain: 6 3K) (France: 5.8K) (Brazil: 5.7K) (NY: 4.3K) (Holland: 4 2K) (Indonesia: 2.9K) (Peru: 2.5K) (Germany: 1.4K) (Turkey: 1.4K) (Moscow: 1K)

"WTF? Why are the fucking French exempt from quarantine in the UK as opposed to Germans?"

Maybe they're concerned a quarantine could bankrupt the Eurostar.

Unlike the previous 2 threads, this one is moving along nicely. Thank you Slyvia!

Even more Evan Hansens singing Forever to each other. Ben Platt refers to this as speed dating.

CNN:

Coronavirus death toll passes 300,000 globally, as countries wait in lockdown

R356, but what about passengers that leave on Eurostar from the Netherlands as well as Belgium?

351 deaths reported in France. Here we grow again!

From the Guardian UK:

The private firm contracted to run the government’s stockpile of personal protective equipment (PPE) was beset by “chaos” at its warehouse that may have resulted in delays in deploying vital supplies to healthcare workers, according to sources who have spoken to the Guardian and ITV News.

The allegations from delivery drivers and other well–placed sources raise questions about whether Movianto, the subsidiary of a US healthcare giant, was able to adequately manage and distribute the nation’s emergency stockpile of PPE for use in a pandemic.

The investigation by the Guardian and ITV News also established that in previous years Movianto temporarily stored the emergency pandemic equipment in a smoke-damaged warehouse that was found to contain asbestos.

The stockpile was later relocated to a giant, purpose-built warehouse elsewhere in Merseyside, where it was being held when the government realised that supplies were urgently needed to respond to the Covid-19 outbreak.

However, in late March, after the company was ordered to begin distributing PPE and amid complaints of dire shortages in hospitals, the British army had to be scrambled to Movianto’s warehouse to help organise and deploy the PPE.

According to delivery drivers responsible for delivering PPE to hospitals that month, Movianto was not ready to get the deliveries out to hospitals as demand for PPE rose, owing to “bad management” of the stock and short-staffing at the warehouse.

[quote]351 deaths reported in France. Here we grow again!

Considering population size, that would represent around 1,680 deaths in the US.

Meanwhile France is reopening schools, factories, shops.

37 percent of coronavirus patients at NYC hospitals had kidney failure

The coronavirus is causing devastating damage to patients’ organs — particularly triggering kidney failure, a New York hospital study released Thursday reveals.

Researchers found that 37 percent of the more than 5,449 patients treated at Northwell Health hospitals from March 1 to April 5 developed acute kidney injury or kidney failure.

The fatality rate was high. Of the 1,993 patients with kidney failure, 694 — 35 percent — died.

Another 26 percent of the patients were discharged and 39 percent were still hospitalized.

Kidney failure was linked to respiratory failure. About 90 percent of patients on ventilators developed AKI, the analysis by Northwell Feinstein Institutes revealed.

Only 21 percent of non-ventilated COVID-19 patients developed kidney failure.

AKI is a sudden episode of kidney failure or damage, which leads to the body’s inability to filter out the waste.

Risk factors for developing AKI include age, diabetes, heart disease and hypertension.

Older males and black patients with COVID-19 were at high-risk for kidney failure, the study said.

Researchers discovered an “alarming number” of hospitalized COVID patients developed kidney failure during the height of the pandemic — rates higher than reported from China, according to the new data published in Kidney International, the official journal of the International Society of Nephrology.

The report said that 285 of the patients — or 14 percent with AKI — required dialysis treatment.

“Working amidst the COVID-19 epicenter was an experience we will never forget. Nephrologists and the dialysis staff were on the front lines of this battle trying to help every patient we could,” said researcher Dr. Kenar Jhaveri, MD, an author of the paper.

“We hope to learn more about the COVID-19 related AKI in the coming weeks, and that by sharing what we have learned from our patients, other doctors and their patients can benefit,” he said.

Feinstein Institutes CEO Kevan Tracy said, “Dr. Jhaveri’s findings, based on the largest defined cohort of hospitalized COVID-19 patients, highlights the danger of kidney injury in this setting, an important new insight into this disease.

The Northwell/Feinstein Institutes COVID-19 study is the largest of its kind in the country. Northwell runs New York State’s largest network of hospitals that include Lenox Hill, Long Island Jewish and Staten Island U. facilities.

Northwell/Feinstein researchers are conducting a number of studies of patients. They recently found that nearly all coronavirus patients had at least one underlying medical condition that put them at risk of contracting the killer bug.

Jesus Christ, now it's affecting men with low testosterone more? I'm never leaving the house again. I'm gonna be a fucking prisoner.

I had chemo a couple years back and it damaged my testosterone production. I was terrified to go on any supplements because of the stroke/heart attack blood clot issues. I had blood clots while on chemo (but not since). I also have issues with my immune system being such that I would have an immense cytokene storm if I ever got this. This is a fucking nightmare that just keeps getting worse every day.

Some doctors still think there is a seasonal aspect to the virus and cases will lessen in the summer monthes.

I live in NYC and that's the epicenter but I don't think the rest of the country has to follow the rules here. I also believe there should be mondified rules based on age. For example, I think teachers over 50 or those with underlying conditions should be offered incentives to retire early. It seems like discrimination but it makes sense.

R365 I think I'd wait until some of these studies are peer-reviewed and replicated. .. It was just last week when another study posed the question, "Could Lower Testosterone Help Men Ward Off COVID-19?"

R342 I posted that exact same link (Worldometer) in another thread yesterday and people started screaming "TROLL!!!" "BORIS!!!!" at me because numbers and statistics don't necessarily support their narrative or agenda. People have become unhinged and completely out of touch with reality and common sense.

I don't understand why that doctor didn't think about eye transmission- early in the pandemic, it was posited that it was spread through the air and can go in the eyes. When I do venture out (about every two weeks or so), I always wear glasses, which while not totally effective, must provide a little protection (like our cloth masks). It also prevents me from touching my eyes.

Guess I'll continue my tradition of totally covering my face with a scarf when I fly (I'm a drooling ugly sleeper).

gjkkk

R369 I thought the same thing too, especially since it said he was involved with Ebola. I think those people always have some type of goggles on, if not a suit that covers the entire head.

[quote] [R365] I think I'd wait until some of these studies are peer-reviewed and replicated. .. It was just last week when another study posed the question, "Could Lower Testosterone Help Men Ward Off COVID-19?"

Thank you R367. I was doing further research after I read that earlier post and apparently they are linking Low T to cytokene storms in general, which would make sense for me. However, you are correct in that it is too early to start panicking. I appreciate it. I have not been handling this whole thing terribly well.

You rang r340 & r342 .......

As I previously stated on another thread, your reading comprehension skills need a lot of polishing.

My stat come directly from Worldometer, as they always have.

Put your dicks back in your pants, fellas. And wash and sanitize those hands.

Doesn't pay to lie, does it? Get used to it, I'm back and I'm here to stay, regardless of how many lies you tell, or how many times you try to set me up by copying and pasting my posts to your own accounts.

Have an above average day, ladies !

[quote]Considering population size, that would represent around 1,680 deaths in the US. Meanwhile France is reopening schools, factories, shops.

So are we...I know stereotypical DLers live in NYC or LA, but many states are in some phase of reopening as we speak. Lots of us are have to go back into the world. Don't worry, you'll be thrust into the fray soon enough.

Yikes! More cases of the inflammatory syndrome in children. But, yeah, let's open the schools back up??? Still much to learn about this virus.

Guardian-Doctors in northern Italy, one of the areas hardest hit by the new coronavirus, and in France have reported spikes in cases of a rare inflammatory syndrome in young children at appears similar to one reported in the United States, Britain and Spain, according to a report in The Lancet. The condition shares symptoms with toxic shock and Kawasaki disease including fever, rashes, swollen glands and, in severe cases, heart inflammation. Reports of cases have raised concerns that Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, could pose a greater risk to children than had been understood. It has so far taken its greatest toll on the elderly and those with chronic health conditions.

Glad to read that some countries are taking this shit seriously

BBC-Qatar has made the wearing of face masks compulsory, warning that anyone defying the order could face up to three years in prison or be fined more than $50,000 (£41,000). The Gulf state has currently more than 28,000 infections, with 14 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University's worldwide tally. More than 2.5 million people live in Qatar, one of the world's richest countries.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 14 - 4:50 PM EST

🐥 DANCE LIKE A CHICKEN DAY !

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,507,274

DEATHS: 302,298

CRITICAL: 45,546

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,450,231

DEATHS: 86,584

🐣 EAT A BURGER !

[quote]Yikes! More cases of the inflammatory syndrome in children. But, yeah, let's open the schools back up??? Still much to learn about this virus.

Yes, schools must reopen if the economy is to restart.

Schools were open during the epidemic of 1957 and 1968 and they were open during the polio epidemic too.

Do a little research on polio. The world didn't come to a standstill.

r366, MDs have a functional understanding of health sciences but they don't necessarily have the whole picture. Some of them are frankly dumbasses. Look at Rand Paul.

R374 Besides NYC and L.A., it's probably time to include Chicago (Cook County) in that category.

So it's safe for everybody to go back to their normal routines. Except overweight people. And people with conditions like diabetes and asthma and compromised immune systems. And people over 60. And some children, though we don't know which ones. Oh, and men of course, as they're twice as likely to die of COVID-19 for some reason. So get out there and get back to work! Without PPE of course...we still don't have enough for health workers, let alone you guys. And you can forget about hand sanitizer and disposable wipes. Remember not to touch your face!

[quote]So it's safe for everybody to go back to their normal routines.

As long as the virus is out there and we have no vaccine, it will never be safe. That's the ugly truth. What do you think? That it's just going to go away?

But no society can afford months of lockdown. No matter how much the reality bothers you, those are the facts.

R378 I had the Hong Kong Flu in '68 and as bad as it was COVID is much worse.

A little levity.

[quote]But no society can afford months of lockdown.

How do you know what a society can afford, R382? How do you know what a society needs and values most?

For those who think that Pence and the Trump family are magically immune to COVID-19, or have access to a secret treatment, remember that the WH is relying on a coronavirus test that produces numerous false negatives. We do not know how many people in the WH have been infected.

And we don't care, R386. We just want to see Trump and Pence and Kellyanne Conway all on ventilators.

I'm surprised that the UK is opening up and sending everyone back to work although their infection rate is still not declining and they have the highest death rate in Europe. Johnson ended the lockdown and I noticed people on social media immediately posted pics of them meeting up for coffee and hanging out with friends again in their apartments. When the pubs are open, we'll will see crowded pubs and restaurants within hours.

MSNBC Massive crowds hit Wisconsin bars as WI Supreme Court throws out stay-at-home order.

I don’t think pubs will reopen in the UK until August 1st.

A lot more people have a death wish than I ever realized.

No, I don't think they do. I think they understand that that this may never go away. Other plagues have happened and people just went on living their lives the best they could.

I think they're in denial -- they believe they're strong enough to fight off the disease. There was another protest at the Michigan capitol today, and a reporter interviewed a pregnant woman who was there with additional kids in tow. The reporter asked if the woman was even a little bit worried for her family. "No, we work on our immune system, we know we're healthy."

No, I don't think they do. I think they understand that that this may never go away. Other plagues have happened and people just went on dying their deaths the best they could.

There was an article about how men are less likely to wear masks, even though they are more likely to die from covid-19 than women

Jersey Shore Beaches are scheduled to open for Memorial Day Weekend.

R394, if people were politely resigned to dying, civilization would not exist.

For all the Henny Penny people out there, get a grip. Certain businesses are re-opening with precautions in place. People who are not in high risk categories are going to start leaving their houses after 2 months of quarantine. People who are in high risk categories are free to lock themselves up in their homes for years if that's what they feel is best for them. And they have the right to demand that nobody enter their home who might bring in some germs. Meanwhile some of us will follow the CDC guidelines: physical distance for now when out of the house, PPE where appropriate, wash hands, don't stick your fingers up your nose or in your eye. If this is upsetting to you, please try to get a more balanced perspective. Not everybody will be spending the next year curled up in the closet in the fetal position regardless of what you think.

Florida man....

[quote]they have the right to demand that nobody enter their home who might bring in some germs.

Thanks for the stupidity r399.

Thanks for your stupid post R401.

Bars and restaurants that reopened this week are packed without the benefit of social distancing. People aren't wearing masks, and patrons don't seem to care.

R399 thinks repeating right-wing talking points is a balanced perspective.

R404 thinks repeating left-wing talking points is a balanced perspective. BTW, common sense is not left or right. And I'm human, I don't have wings. And I don't lean left or right. I stand up straight and thing about things rationally. Sorry that disturbs the snowflakes.

And I'm pre-emptively telling you now so I don't have to tell you later: fuck off. Done with the group think bullshit.

394 That is the point. The human race went on .

r405, thanks for your "both sides" lies.

I'd say common sense aligns pretty well with left-wing views.

Using "snowflakes" as an insult pretty much proves that you're a right-wing troll.

The world is going to keep on turning. Some people will live in the world. Some people will hide in their homes. People can make their own decisions. All of will die in the end.

R409 is one of those idiots who use "We're all going to die in the end" as an excuse to make stupid decisions

Calling me right wing means you don't have a clue. Shocking to see so many people incapable of even thinking for themselves. If anyone thinks differently on any topic, they must be right wing and a troll? Wow what a narrow minded fool you are. Good luck with life. Now stfu and lets move on.

Many people hitting the crowded bars, clubs, and restaurants will probably be bringing a little extra something home to share with family and friends.

And it won't be a pizza or a six-pack.

R410 is one of those fucking idiots who has a brain that barely functions and needs others to tell him what to do.

[quote][R409] is one of those idiots who use "We're all going to die in the end" as an excuse to make stupid decisions

More likely as an excuse to get other people to make stupid decisions while he never leaves his house.

You know, like the Fox News hosts who are encouraging Americans to get out and get the economy going again while they sit in front of remote cameras in their guest bedrooms.

R413 is one of those right-wing nuts who won't listen to experts but will listen to Tucker Carlson. The smart people are taking this seriously. The stupid people aren't. I side with the experts and scientists. You side with people who think homosexuality can be cured through prayer.

So many pointless trolls. Time for the FF button.

And there he is again. Hi R415, the "TROLL!!" troll who thinks everyone is a troll and twists everything into "OMG he's RIGHT WING" because someone formed an opinion different than what the media told him. Please.....

FF

I eat piles and piles of virus infested shit!

Could everyone calm down now and stop being so delicate and bitchy?

Let's discuss something relevant, like: how likely do you think it will be that a vaccine will be available by this fall? Some researchers are saying it's possible. Others think it may be 2+ years.

What do you guys think? Would you take it if it seemed "rushed"? I would if I got comfortable that the research was solid.

Even if a vaccine is produced by the fall there won't be mass deployment of the vaccine. There is no manufacturing in place to produce hundreds of millions of individual vaccines. Everyone will be waiting a long time to get a vaccine and the first people getting it can be the genuine pigs.

Does anyone else think we should be making more use of face shields? They protect the eyes and if the forehead cushion is thick enough you can eat behind the shield. You can’t eat dinner out in a mask.

Yep R420, that's a huge concern (the large scale production and deployment). Some of the researchers seem to be exploring going into production before they even prove effectiveness, so that if it works they're ahead of the curve.

Figuring out the logistics is where the federal gov't could be useful. I think on something like this a national approach is needed. But that fucktard in the white house couldn't figure out a logistics chain if he had 10 years to work on it. That's the scary part.

Like these, R421? I was thinking about that.....

I wouldn't be surprised if it took around five years for a vaccine to be safe. There are still too many unknowns about this disease. In five years I don't even want to think of the number of healthy people left to receive it. This pandemic isn't going anywhere fast.

[quote]Some of the researchers seem to be exploring going into production before they even prove effectiveness, so that if it works they're ahead of the curve.

Bill Gates is helping fund new factories for seven potential coronavirus vaccines, even though it will waste billions of dollars.

Exactly R423

I just noticed there are gallon jugs of hand sanitizer on that site! I have no idea who they are.....I just did a google search on face shields and it's one of the pics that came up.

We should all order a full face shield to wear to the Annual DataLounge Christmas Party.

DataLoungers love anything see-thru !

We can't keep stressing about what other people are doing or not doing. To what end? If they want to go out and do their thing, so be it. If they want to stay home or wear a mask, so be it. I just do me and they do them (as I keep 6 feet between us as much as possible). Arguing and stressing about it won't change a thing. It is the same as people worried about Trump voters changing (that demographic applies to both scenarios, actually). Vote blue and they will do what they do. It sucks in a bad way, but you can't change it. So, do the best you can - despite ignorance and stupidity.

[quote]God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference.

Maybe people have just given up. They've lost their jobs, loved ones, hope due to the virus and really don't care if they live or die so might as well go out and get sloshed.

We'll be lucky enough to have an adequate supply of flu vaccines by September.

R417, how about people like you whose opinions are formed based on what Fox News tells you....

Who remembers the Swine Flu vaccine debacle?

And how long did it take to get everyone the polio vaccine who needed it?

I told my wife that Cuomo should legalize concealed carry and stand your ground so i can shoot anyone who gets within six feet of me without a mask, and she said I was just as bad as the Trump people. Perhaps I shouldn’t have had that second glass of Sancerre.

R429 I've had to adapt to that for my own sanity.

All 10 million Los Angeles County residents must wear face masks when outside their homes, Health Director Barbara Ferrer says

question: how will they enforce this and what will the penalty be for refusal to comply? Fines? Tickets handed out by the LAPD?

And do the cops need the extra burden of face mask policing on top of what they already do?

For comparison, here’s some info about polio.

From the CDC:

Polio. Polio vaccine was licensed in the United States in 1955. During 1951-1954, an average of 16,316 paralytic polio cases and 1879 deaths from polio were reported each year. Polio incidence declined sharply following the introduction of vaccine to less than 1000 cases in 1962 and remained below 100 cases after that year. In 1994, every dollar spent to administer oral poliovirus vaccine saved $3.40 in direct medical costs and $2.74 in indirect societal costs. The last documented indigenous transmission of wild poliovirus in the United States occurred in 1979. Since then, reported cases have been either vaccine-associated or imported. As of 1991, polio caused by wild-type viruses has been eliminated from the Western Hemisphere. Enhanced use of the inactivated polio vaccine is expected to reduce the number of vaccine-associated cases, which averaged eight cases per year during 1980-1994 .

U.S. population in 1950: 152.3 million

Cases of polio per year: 16,316

Deaths per year: 1879

U.S. population today: 331 million.

Cases of Covid -19 as of today : 1,405,961

Deaths as of today : 85,194

The first known case of Covid-19 in the U.S. returned from Wuhan on January 15, 2020. So that figure is for four months.

[quote]All 10 million Los Angeles County residents must wear face masks when outside their homes, Health Director Barbara Ferrer says

This is so unreasonable. There will be quite a backlash.

[quote] Meanwhile some of us will follow the CDC guidelines: physical distance for now when out of the house, PPE where appropriate, wash hands, don't stick your fingers up your nose or in your eye.

And don't the guidelines also say that we should wait until 14 consecutive days of declining cases before we start reopening things? But I guess we're just supposed to ignore that part of the guidelines?

Most likely, the mask requirement will be "enforced" by public shaming and scorn. Take a look at some of the threads on Nextdoor, for example.

[quote]During 1951-1954, an average of 16,316 paralytic polio cases and 1879 deaths from polio were reported each year.

It must be noted that polio attacked children.

Children paralyzed, children dead.

Schools remained open.

CNN just did a live report from a busy restaurant, I think in Colorado. Tables were spaced six feet apart but they were full. Reporter Gary Tuchman went into the kitchen where everybody was wearing a mask but the manager he was interviewing had let the mask slip below his nose.

I was nervous just watching.

[quote]Most likely, the mask requirement will be "enforced" by public shaming and scorn.

Isn't that lovely.

Maybe this?

Polio happened mostly in the summer. Nobody knew why. Eventually it was discovered that polio was transmitted through fecal-oral contact. Hand washing could have prevented it, but nobody knew. This also explains why children were more likely to get it.

Covid-19 is transmitted by airborne droplets, a much easier means of transmission. You can transmit it by talking or breathing in the general direction of another person.

This is not “not as bad as polio.”

Polio was much worse than the coronavirus.

I remember reading that pools were closed during the summer because that was considered "polio season". If the route of transmission was fecal-oral, that kinda makes sense.

So the key is figuring out the primary means of transmission and dealing with it. If the primary way coronavirus is transmitted is via respiratory droplets, maintaining distance and/or wearing masks should very dramatically cut the transmission.

Le Colonial in Atlanta, R442. The manager must have been thrilled when Tuchman walked into the kitchen and said, verbatim, “It’s more clean than usual.”

Average % polio cases in the U.S. in 1950: 0.010%

Average polio deaths 1950: 0.001%

Covid cases first four months of 2020: 0.42%

Covid deaths first four months of 2020: 0.02%

By all means, check my math which is admittedly not great, here’s a percentage calculator website.

As you can see, both cases and deaths of Covid are actually much higher than polio deaths, even measuring four months of Covid against a full year of polio. And we’re expecting it to be worse this winter.

A lot of us heard our parents and grandparents talk about how scary polio was and how scared parents were. I wonder what people would say if most Covid cases were children. Adults are apparently expendable.

R447, I read somewhere today that if everyone wore a mask, transmissions would drop 80%. At that point we could open pretty safely.

There’s two things stopping safe opening. One is Trump telling people masks are evil, and if you’re a Republican, evil Democrats are trying to take your freedoms away. So don’t wear a mask and you’ll sure show those evil commie-lovin’ Democrats! Commies I say!

Second is, there’s no rational education coming from the government about why and how to wear a mask, how to remove gloves safely, when to change them, how to set a mask on your face. (Not below the nose, which I’m seeing everywhere and saw at Costco today). How it helps and what it does to stop transmission. That transmission is from airborne droplets causes by breathing and speaking. None of these MAGATs are learning anything about this because they watch Fox all day.

I see some of this on CNN, but there should be 60 second public service ads demonstrating glove and mask use and removal on every channel all day. Since the government won’t do it, I wish Bill Gates would. There’s probably nothing he could do that would be more useful.

There should be printed government signs with pictures in English and Spanish everywhere with pictures showing how to do this. Put them in store windows.

R398, it seems that many recent events point to the logical conclusion that civilization, in fact, does not exist.

Not R398. I do believe all these ingredients exist:

A civilization (or civilisation) is any complex society characterized by urban development, social stratification, a form of government and a symbolic systems of communication such as writing.

[quote]As you can see, both cases and deaths of Covid are actually much higher than polio deaths, even measuring four months of Covid against a full year of polio.

Polio attacked healthy children, making it a more horrible disease.

And if you are only counting deaths, then you don't understand polio and the damage left in its wake.

R453 And BTW: are you considering the population of the US in 1950? It was less than half of what it is today.

Post R454 is directed to R449

[quote]I read somewhere today that if everyone wore a mask, transmissions would drop 80%. At that point we could open pretty safely.

Then why were we originally directed by the WHO not to wear masks?

[quote]There’s two things stopping safe opening. One is Trump telling people masks are evil, and if you’re a Republican, evil Democrats are trying to take your freedoms away. So don’t wear a mask and you’ll sure show those evil commie-lovin’ Democrats! Commies I say!

Please link to where Trump has said any of that.

From TheGuardian:

"Face masks cannot stop healthy people getting Covid-19, says WHO"

"Organisation’s evidence review shows wearing mask outside does not prevent infection"

I remember taking the polio vaccine when I was a kid. We had the newer vaccine that was put on a sugar cube placed in a tiny paper condiment cup, and you just ate the cube. No shots required.

R455, read the post at R449. Then comment afterwards.

It’s in percentages because it was calculated as a percentage of the population at that time. No, I was not calculating 1950s polio with 2020 population levels. That makes no sense. And yes, I’m aware there are more people alive now than seventy years ago.

I also mentioned the number of cases, as well as the number of deaths. Read the post. Everything you want to know is in the post.

I don’t agree that adult lives aren’t as important as child lives. Yes, if children die it is sad, but it is not automatically going to be fine if the people that die are adults. Adults are the parents of children. Large numbers of orphaned children is not a great situation either.

Look at what happened to Pete Davidson after his father died on 9/11. He’s a wreck. Drug abuse, obvious mental issues. He probably would have been fine if his father was still alive.

That’s what would happen to some of these kids. The repercussions could go on for the rest of their lives. And where would they live? With who? Would they be safe with people who are not their parents? Some would not.

Thousands of orphaned kids would turn into a mess. There’s no infrastructure for that. There’s not thousands of extra foster care parents available. Where would they end up? Plus the trauma.

There’s so many consequences here. Widowed parents turning to drug abuse and neglecting their kids. Increased alcoholism. People ending up with long term depression due to family members dying. It’s like throwing a pebble in a lake, the ripples go out for miles.

[quote]I don’t agree that adult lives aren’t as important as child lives.

I believe most would find what you say as being completely wrong.

Probably 80 percent of Covid deaths are people over the age of 70.

Polio attacked children. Healthy children.

It left paralysis for life, to children who were just starting out in life.

Texas death toll is rising

R456, Covid has been politicized by Trump. He fired Dr Richard Bright, the Director of the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, who was a whistleblower and testified about his opinions about Covid. He thinks it will take ten years to have a widely available vaccine due to testing and distribution issues. He was asking important questions very early on about dire mask shortages and he asked his superiors what was going to be done. He refused to promote hydroxycholorquine, which Trump has been pushing like a snake oil salesman, because he knew it wouldn’t work. So he got fired.

We were told not to wear masks because they wanted them for medical personnel, who presumably needed them more. I’ve read since that China was hoarding masks early on, and so were other countries that manufactured them. They stopped selling them to us because they work and they needed them. We were lied to. There’s no evidence masks are useless or worthless. If that was true, hospital workers wouldn’t need them.

The CDC says, “An N95 FFR is a type of respirator which removes particles from the air that are breathed through it. These respirators filter out at least 95% of very small (0.3 micron) particles. N95 FFRs are capable of filtering out all types of particles, including bacteria and viruses.”

An N95 mask filters out 95% of viruses. Ask yourself, how can that possibly be worthless in the middle of an epidemic? That makes no sense.

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[quote]We were told not to wear masks because they wanted them for medical personnel, who presumably needed them more.

The WHO said nothing of the kind.

They said "evidence review shows wearing masks outside does not prevent infection" and "Face masks cannot stop healthy people getting Covid-19"

And I asked if you could please provide a link to the quote of Trump " telling people masks are evil"

Thanks in advance.

WHO and CDC don't even agree on the topic of masks. (I'm not the poster you quoted, R463)

R463, Dr Bright’s testimony:

“Before the House Committee on Energy and Commerce's health subcommittee, Bright urged the Trump administration to consider a number of actions, including increasing production of essential equipment and establishing both a national test strategy and a national standard of procurement of supplies. He calls on top officials to "lead" through example and wear face coverings and social distance.

Bright claimed that the administration missed "early warning signals" to prevent the spread of the virus. He said that he would "never forget" an email from Mike Bowen, the hearing's other witness and the vice president of the medical supply company Prestige Ameritech, indicating that the US supply of N95, the respirator masks used by health care professionals, was at a perilous level.

He said, 'We're in deep shit,'" testified Bright. "'The world is.'"

Bright said he "pushed" that warning "to the highest levels" he could at Health and Human Services but received "no response."

"From that moment, I knew that we were going to have a crisis for health care workers because we were not taking action," said Bright. "We were already behind the ball."

In his written statement, Bright blamed the leadership of HHS for being "dismissive" of his "dire predictions." Bright wrote that he knew the US had a "critical shortage of necessary supplies" and personal protective equipment during the first three months of the year and prodded HHS to boost production of masks, respirators, syringes and swabs to no avail. He alleged that he faced "hostility and marginalization" from HHS officials after he briefed White House trade adviser Peter Navarro and members of Congress "who better understood the urgency to act."

Want to know why you were told you didn’t need a mask? Look up here. ^^ Because there weren’t any and they dropped the ball. So they lied to you.

Republicans at the hearing were claiming we don’t need to hear from this guy. Of course they don’t want to hear from him. Because he said they botched everything and they don’t want to be held accountable for the deaths that resulted.

I was disappointed doing grocery shopping today, here in Texas. There was a smaller percentage of masks being worn than in previous weeks. More blacks were using masks than whites. Of the whites, those not wearing them appeared older, overweight and had a redneck swagger. None of the younger men were wearing them, still of the invincible stage. It's not scientific, only my observation.

My grandmother remembers being sent away during the polio epidemic. Her parents wanted her to be “safe” so they sent her out of the city to a small one-room school house with a water trough in the front of the classroom that had a single ladle for the kids to drink from.

Obviously that seems absolutely ridiculous and woefully inadequate in retrospect. I wonder what sort of things we will look back at and laugh at like this.

If you don’t know that Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the director general of the World Health Organization, was whitewashing everything China did, praising them when it was obvious they were covering up and wouldn’t let Americans in there to observe, you don’t know what’s been going on.

“In Japan, Taro Aso, the deputy prime minister and finance minister, recently noted that some people have started referring to the World Health Organization as the “Chinese Health Organization” because of what he described as its close ties to Beijing. Taiwanese officials say the W.H.O. ignored its early warnings about the virus because China refuses to allow Taiwan, a self-governing island it claims as its territory, to become a member.

“Critics say the W.H.O. has been too trusting of the Chinese government, which initially tried to conceal the outbreak in Wuhan.“

“ The W.H.O. has not pushed China on early missteps. When cases of a mysterious viral pneumonia first appeared in Wuhan in December, Chinese health officials silenced whistle-blowers and repeatedly played down the severity of the outbreak.

“Even as late as mid-January, as the virus spread beyond China’s borders, Chinese officials described it as “preventable and controllable” and said there was no evidence it could be transmitted between humans on a broad scale.

“The W.H.O. endorsed the government’s claims, saying in mid-January, for example, that human-to-human transmission had not been proven.“

Anyone who thinks WHO was honest has no idea what’s been going on all this time. Read the article. It just skims the surface. China was throwing doctors in prison for trying to alert the world, and WHO was saying they were doing a great job and praising them. WHO has no credibility in any of this.

"China was throwing doctors in prison for trying to alert the world, and WHO was saying they were doing a great job and praising them. WHO has no credibility in any of this."

Gee, guess who else was praising China?

I will continue to wear a mask, will practice social distancing, will walk out of anyplace that I personally feel is too close for comfort. I'll only do grocery shopping, household essentials, and Rx's pickups. I'll shop on line whenever possible, and continue to stay safe@ home.

It's not that difficult. I'm simply choosing life over death.

As far as the surgical masks, does anyone know, for sure, which way they should be worn?

Blue side out, or white side out? I’ve seen them being worn both ways.

T.I.A.

Most people wear the blue side out, and that's usually how they're worn on websites that sell them. I've also seen masks of the same style that are all white on both sides. As long as it's secure on your face and covers the essential areas, it probably isn't a big deal.

But, then again, I could be wrong ..........

Internet consensus: the masks should be worn blue side out.

And this week he hates China, R469, probably because he’s going to lose the election over their pandemic.

But in this case virtually every world leader could see that there was a coverup in China, not just Trump.

The stories and videos coming out of there were horrific. People being welded inside high rise apartment buildings, Covid victims dragged out of their house and put in locked metal boxes in the back of a truck and driven away, screaming. Doctors that were trying to get the word out were arrested, getting Covid and dying in custody. The police got more and more abusive towards Covid patients, who were treated like criminals, marching them through the streets, beating them and dragging them into vans. Even throwing old people on the ground and beating them. At some point, somebody decided Covid victims were troublemakers or criminals.

I saw some video of an elderly Chinese woman in one of the “newly built Covid hospitals.” It was a prefab building. It rained and water poured through the seams. No plumbing inside. The woman said they kept telling her they would help her later, but no one was seeing doctors or getting meds. It was a warehouse for the dying.

WHO was describing the Chinese as doing a great job as this was going on.

I’ll give the Chinese this though. They tried to save the rest of the world from this pandemic at the cost of untold suffering for their own citizens. But nobody took the necessary steps to stop it in their own countries. It was politicized and covered up all over the world.

[quote] I'll only do grocery shopping, household essentials, and Rx's pickups. I'll shop on line whenever possible, and continue to stay safe@ home.

It's wonderful that you're so privileged. Many aren't.

"WHO was describing the Chinese as doing a great job as this was going on."

So did Trump, so why are Trumpsters turning on the WHO?

It's just a pathetic attempt at deflection, R476. What's important is that Trump administration is continuing to waste time right now. It's dithering and failing to offer any leadership or guidance..

God knows, R476. I think Trump is just sick of it all and looking for somebody to blame. But to be fair, they do share the blame. Way too much politicizing was done from the start.

It would be one thing if Trump was the only one doing it, but he isn’t. But Republicans and conservatives around the world are handling this as badly as they possibly can. What’s the point of lying? It’s a virus, it doesn’t care what you say. Give it an opening and it will reproduce. So why tell everyone to give it an opening?

I think either they think the virus watches Faux News and will commit suicide so Trump can win the election, or they think if a bunch of people die, they will all be Democrats. Their actions are irrational and can’t possibly work out.

Viruses don’t talk. If this one did, it would be saying, “thank you, Mr Trump for giving me lots of fat old people to eat. Don’t wear gloves or masks anyone, they’re bad. Go out and mingle with lots of people so I can spread.”

It's not about privilege, r475, it's about survival.

I'm retired, living on a fixed income, living alone and supporting myself. And my two cats. Also living with arthritis, that's a real delight.

Did I mention my 12 year old car?

We should all live a life so privileged.

The colored side of a surgical mask is hydrophobic and always faces out. The white side is absorbent and goes against your face.

[quote] Please link to where Trump has said any of that.

Trump never actually came out and said, "Don't wear a mask. Masks are for sissies." But he didn't have to, because the message was clear. At his press conference, immediately after saying that the CDC was now urging people to wear masks in public, Trump dismissively said, "But I'm not going to wear one." When Trump visited the mask factory in Arizona, he was the only one not wearing a mask. When Pence visited the Mayo Clinic, he was the only one not wearing a mask, even though it is the Mayo Clinic's policy that visitors wear masks. Trump and Pence's actions have sent a clear message to deplorables that "real Americans" don't wear masks.

[quote] The colored side of a surgical mask is hydrophobic and always faces out. The white side is absorbent and goes against your face.

Why does everything have to be about race? About the "whites" vs. the "coloreds"?

FF@TrollR482

[quote]I wouldn't be surprised if it took around five years for a vaccine to be safe. There are still too many unknowns about this disease. In five years I don't even want to think of the number of healthy people left to receive it. This pandemic isn't going anywhere fast.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. You just say shit to hear yourself talk. Even now, the good ol' TB vaccine used throughout the world seems to have some protective effects. The MERS and SARS vaccines that had already been heavily researched to the point of human trials before they become unnecessary are already in human trials. We had the entire genome of this virus coded in two weeks. It took years for HIV. Medical science has advanced beyond your tiny brain's seeming ability to comprehend it.

And, speaking of the advancement of medical research, can you idiots comparing today's development timelines to those of polio go read a book or something. They didn't even know what DNA was when polio was running rampant. Doctors already have settled on something of a treatment regimen including antivirals, anti-clotting agents, etc. The 1950s might as well have been the Dark Ages compared to now as far as medical science is concerned.

Careful R484, someone will start screeching at you and calling you "republicunt!!" or "troll !!!" or "Boris!!" or some other BS if you dare to speak such common sense on DL! You must adhere to radical far left agenda talking points only! No rational thoughts allowed on here! It happens to me daily. I am about done with this BULLSHIT site.

Thanks for your rational post.

I think that I will go with this dangerously attractive look. Add some safety goggles and I'm ready for the new world. I bet it holds a lot of corn nuts, or maybe a cocktail shaker.

Order your feed bag now, before they sell out.

I didn't know SJP was doing fashion again- her Bitten line has really lived up to its name, finally!

Apologies if I missed this upthread, but I don't think I saw it. Trump saying the reason we have so many cases of COVID is because we're doing more testing than anyone, and if we weren't testing so much, then we wouldn't have so many cases. It boggles the mind.

[quote]Many people hitting the crowded bars, clubs, and restaurants will probably be bringing a little extra something home to share with family and friends. And it won't be a pizza or a six-pack.

String cheese?

R420 totally agree. Personally I also don’t like a hardly tested vaccine. Might need a new vaccine every year if this is anything like the flu virus.

"Trump and Pence's actions have sent a clear message to deplorables that "real Americans" don't wear masks."

Also tweeting shit like "liberate Michigan", retweeting videos of people hanging out without face masks in crowded bars, ridiculing his own health officials and governors who encourage citizens to wears masks and stay home is so helpful. If your president behaves like that, you don't need a direct quote. Everyone should know he's an asshole and dumbass who thinks this is all a big joke.

[quote]Polio attacked healthy children, making it a more horrible disease.

The CDC issued a Health Advisory yesterday telling doctors to be on the lookout for "Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C) Associated with Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)." At least three children exhibiting the symptoms have died in NY and doctors are investigating it in at least 150 children mostly in New York. Italy says it's akin to Kawasaki disease, but more severe, with more frequent heart involvement, and compared to Kawasaki disease, the incidence is 30 times higher.

It's still considered "rare" at this point. But so was covid-19 in America two months ago. We have no idea where it will go from here, how fatal it will ultimately be, or what long-term complications might be.

The “Kawasaki disease” version of Covid is so unlike the symptoms that have been publicized for Covid, that it’s likely many more children have had it and doctors thought they had something completely different. So it may take a while before real numbers of cases are available.

We're people rioting in the streets in the 1950's, or did they exercise good common sense?

We're people rioting in the streets in the 1950's, or did they exercise good common sense?

Covid-19 was discovered in the U.S. and South Korea on the same day, January 20, 2020.

As of yesterday, South Korea covid-19 deaths totaled 260. U.S. deaths totaled 86,541.

The population of South Korea is one-sixth that of the U.S. If South Korea were our size, it would have about 1,700 deaths.

Stunning incompetence in the U.S.

All the rightwingers are crowing about Georgia's numbers being down despite being open for two weeks.

US pilot jailed in Singapore for breaking coronavirus quarantine

SINGAPORE — An American cargo pilot who admitted to “poor judgment” in breaking a quarantine order to buy medical supplies became the first foreigner imprisoned in Singapore for breaching its restrictions meant to curb the coronavirus, his lawyer said Friday.

FedEx pilot Brian Dugan Yeargan, 44, of Alaska, was sentenced to four weeks Wednesday after he pleaded guilty to leaving his hotel room for three hours to buy masks and a thermometer, defense lawyer Ronnie Tan said.

Singapore has one of the largest outbreaks in Asia, with 26,000 cases. More than 90% of those infected are foreign workers living in crowded dormitories, while the government recently began easing restrictions for the local population

The tiny city-state has strict penalties for those who breach quarantine rules, don’t masks in public or fail to adhere to social distancing measures. Quarantine violators face up to six months in jail, a fine of up to Singapore $10,000 ($7,000) or both.

Tan said Yeargan and his two co-pilots were taken to an airport hotel to serve 14-day quarantines upon arriving from Sydney on April 3. It was required because they stated in their health declarations they had visited China, Hong Kong, Macau, Japan and the United States in the two-week period before their arrival, Tan said.

Health officials checking on Yeargan found him missing from his room on April 5. Yeargan told the court he took the metro downtown to buy a thermometer and a few boxes of masks before he was to fly home on April 6.

Tan said Yeargan needed the items because they were in short supply back home and his wife has been ill. Yeargan’s wife had breathing difficulties but tested negative for the coronavirus in March, he said.

Tan said Yeargan lost his daughter in a tragic incident four years ago and the possibility of another death frightened him. Yeargan told the court his two co-pilots had flown out on April 6 as scheduled but he has been held back in his room. He also said he has to give up an assignment to fly a humanitarian aid mission to COVID-19-hit countries for the U.S. Air Force due to his blunder in Singapore.

“In his address in court, Yeargan said he was sorry, he made a poor judgment and that he shouldn’t have gone out,” Tan said. The American also said he has “the highest regard for the Singapore people and its laws,” Tan added.

The court said in its ruling Yeargan should have asked someone to obtain the items for him.

Tan said Yeargan was relieved as prosecutors had sought a sentence of up to eight weeks. He said he will apply for a remission for good behavior, which could see the American ending his sentence in three weeks.

The Anchorage Daily News reported Yeargan is from the Eagle River community and serves with the Alaska Air National Guard. It said he last spoke to his parents on Mother’s Day. “He’s taking care of himself,” Jim Yeargan was quoted as saying.

FedEx spokeswoman Davina Cole told the newspaper the company adhered to all regulations from government authorities related to containing the virus.

Yeargan was the first foreigner sentenced for violating quarantine orders, but several Singaporeans have been jailed for between five and six weeks for leaving their homes.

Singapore imposed a partial lockdown on April 7 and loosened restrictions Tuesday, with food manufacturers, barbers and laundry shops opening doors three weeks before the lockdown ends June 1.

Chicago’s Cook County passes Queens with most coronavirus cases in US

Chicago’s Cook County has surpassed Queens as the county with the most reported coronavirus cases in the United States, according to a report and the latest available public data.

Cook County, Illinois, on Thursday reached 58,457 reported COVID-19 cases, according to the Chicago Sun-Times.

Queens’ tally, meanwhile, reached 58,084 cases, according to the state Health Department.

The Sun-Times was first to note Cook County’s grim leapfrog to the title of worst-hit US county.

Statewide, though, New York still far exceeds Illinois in cases.

As of Thursday, New York had recorded 343,051 cases compared to Illinois, where there were 87,937.

[QUOTE]This year we might possibly be facing the worst winter we've ever experienced, and it has nothing to do with snowfall.

Sure, trashtard, worse than winter 1986 when I lost twenty friends under 35 years old to AIDS. Let's hope covid leaves you gasping on a ventilator, troll.

[quote]All the rightwingers are crowing about Georgia's numbers being down despite being open for two weeks.

If that's the case, shouldn't we all be happy about it?

What you prefer, that the numbers are worse?

⏳ CORONA TIME - MAY 15 - 9:30 AM EST

🚔 POLICE OFFICERS MEMORIAL DAY

🍕 NATIONAL PIZZA PARTY DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 4,558,483

DEATHS: 304,234

CRITICAL: 45,490

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 1,459,669

DEATHS: 86,968

CRITICAL: NOT UPDATED @ 16,240

📊 STATS: WORLDOMETER.COM

[QUOTE] I was nervous just watching.

MARY! You cowardly little spaz. Surely you must be some frail nursing home frau?

[quote]As of yesterday, South Korea covid-19 deaths totaled 260. U.S. deaths totaled 86,541.

It is simple minded to compare South Korea to the US or France, Italy, Spain, the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands...or whatever. You might want to inform yourself about Korea's methods for controlling the virus.

[quote]I saw on the news that cats can spread the virus to other cats.

A team of researchers studied the transmission of the coronavirus between cats and found that felines are capable of infecting each other with the virus. The research team inoculated three cats with the virus, and then introduced three other uninfected cats to the group. In five days, the three previously uninfected cats had caught the virus. None of the cats ever showed any signs of illness.

There have not been any known cases of a cat spreading COVID-19 to a person, but the scientists say it’s possible felines could be “a silent intermediate host” for the virus, and they believe more research is needed.

[quote]it’s possible felines could be “a silent intermediate host” for the virus

The quiet little bastards.

r421, sure, but it's harder to come up with the materials to make a face shield. You can't just throw one together with a needle and thread and an old t-shirt.

[quote]You might want to inform yourself about Korea's methods for controlling the virus.

Methods like these? Yeah, I could very easily live with them:

Unlike China and the US, South Korea never implemented large-scale lockdowns, aside from shutting down schools and imposing a curfew in some cities. Instead, the government quickly implemented large-scale coronavirus testing, and communicated how many people were infected in each geographic area and city in real-time, constantly updating national and local government websites that tracked cases and the number of residents tested. It also provided free smartphone apps that sent people emergency text alerts about spikes in infections in their local area.

Officials also communicated important social-distancing protocols via text, instituted a comprehensive telemedicine network and implemented a well-organized contract tracing program.

The result: "South Korea successfully flattened the curve on COVID-19 in 20 days without enforcing extreme draconian measures that restrict freedom and movement of people."

💊 [italic] Call your doctor r500, to see if Cymbalta is right for you !

The US only reported 113 deaths today. Looks like the pandemic is over for you guys.

At least 153 cases linked to nightclub cluster in South Korea

From CNN’s Sophie Jeong

At least 153 confirmed cases of Covid-19 have been linked to the Itaewon nightclub cluster in the South Korean capital of Seoul, according to the country's Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (KCDC).

So far, about 46,000 tests have been conducted in relation to the cluster in the Itaewon district, KCDC Director Jung Eun-kyeong said Friday. An estimated 5,500 people visited the five affected nightclubs and around 4,300 of those have been tested.

Some of the clubs are frequented by members of South Korea's gay community, a detail which has led to an outpouring of hate speech towards the country's already-embattled LGBTQ population.

Germany plans to ease quarantine for some travelers

From CNN's Nadine Schmidt

Germany will ease quarantine restrictions for incoming travelers from the EU, the Schengen passport-free zone and the UK, the country's interior ministry announced at a Friday press briefing.

Ministry spokesperson Björn Grünewälder said Germany would only ask travelers to go into quarantine if they arrive from countries with elevated numbers of infections.

A two-week mandatory quarantine still applies to arriving visitors from countries outside the EU.

Interior minister Horst Seehofer announced earlier this week that Germany had “set the clear goal of free travel in Europe by mid-June” and would start easing border controls this week.

The country's Foreign Minister Heiko Maas has also raised the topic of travel restrictions, calling for a dialogue with his European counterparts to discuss how the limits can be eased for popular holiday destinations.

Germany's foreign ministry has invited representatives from Spain, Italy, Austria, Greece, Croatia, Portugal, Malta, Slovenia, Cyprus and Bulgaria to a video conference on the topic on Monday. The goal of the meeting is to coordinate the opening of borders for tourists.

But Maas has already warned that travelers cannot expect to take holidays as normal this summer.

Germany has extended its worldwide global travel warning until at least June 14.

Outcry from unions over plan to reopen England's schools in June From CNN's Max Ramsay

Britain's largest trade unions have called on the government to reconsider its plan to partially open English schools on June 1, over health and safety concerns for teachers.

The UK government currently hopes to partially reopen schools in England next month but its clash with unions over the issue has become a tense political issue in the country.

“We all want schools to re-open, but that should only happen when it is safe to do so,” the unions said in a statement. “The government is showing a lack of understanding about the dangers of the spread of coronavirus within schools, and outwards from schools to parents, sibling and relatives, and to the wider community.”

The joint statement released on Wednesday was signed by major trade unions, including the National Education Union which describes itself as the largest education union in Europe, with more than 450,000 members.

The groups are calling for a set of principles over safety to be met including: additional resources for PPE, local autonomy to close schools with clusters of cases, a taskforce to produce statutory guidance and no increase in pupil numbers until a national test and trace scheme is implemented.

Education Secretary Gavin Williamson accused the unions of “scaremongering” in parliament on Wednesday, but struck a conciliatory tone in a op-ed published in the Daily Mail newspaper on Friday.

Williamson said he had organized for union leaders to meet with the UK’s Chief Medical Officer and other experts to be briefed on the scientific advice.

“I know some teaching unions still have concerns, just as I know parents and teachers have some worries,” Williamson wrote. “I intend to carry on talking to all of them and working with them on any issues they may have.” “All of us in education have a duty to work together to get children back to school,” he added.

[quote]Methods like these? Yeah, I could very easily live with them:

You don't have a clue. Comparing South Korea's response to that of the US or Europe is ridiculous.

NO western country could get away with this. Read carefully:

Germany enters recession as economy shrinks 2.2% in first quarter of 2020

From CNN's Robert North and Nadine Schmidt

Germany is in recession after its economy saw two consecutive quarters of negative growth.

The country's GDP shrank 2.2% in the first quarter of 2020, the German economy's worst performance since the financial crisis.

Growth for the fourth quarter of 2019 was also downgraded to -0.1%.

At a press briefing on Friday, Federal Statistics Office official Albert Braakmann warned that the country's economic downturn due to the coronavirus pandemic is expected to accelerate in the current quarter.

Most forecasts predict the economy contracting by about 10% in the second quarter of 2020, although Braakmann said the final result will depend on how coronavirus restrictions are eased.

China's factories are producing more but the economy remains fragile amid Covid-19 From CNN's Laura He in Hong Kong

roduction at China's factories is growing for the first time since the coronavirus pandemic began. But there are still major challenges ahead for the country's economy.

Industrial output increased 3.9% in April from a year ago, according to data released Friday by the National Bureau of Statistics. That's well above the 1.5% uptick that analysts polled by Refinitiv expected, and the first time output has grown since December.

This growth can be attributed to the political pressure that Beijing is putting on factories to resume production, Julian Evans-Pritchard, senior China economist for Capital Economics, wrote in a research note on Friday.

He expects factory output to continue to grow, since policymakers in China have signaled that more stimulus measures are on the way.

But it wasn't all good news: Domestic demand remains very weak, and retail sales in China dropped 7.5% in April from a year earlier.

And the official unemployment rate -- which tracks jobless numbers in urban areas -- reached 6%, up from 5.9% in March and just shy of February's record of 6.2%.

Evans-Pritchard said that the true unemployment rate is "likely double" what was announced Friday, since the urban rate does not include people in rural communities or a large number of the 290 million migrant workers who work in China.

on CNN right now, 5 USS theodore roosevelt sailors test positive for a second time!

So there is probably no immunity...

supposedly, they tested negative twice, went back on the ship and got the virus and test positive again.

or maybe there are problems with the tests...

[quote]NO western country could get away with this.

Sure they could, and quite easily. What you linked to describes the process for incoming international travelers, not what they are doing for their resident citizens. What South Korea is doing isn't at all controversial, has been done at various times by quite a few Western governments, and could easily be done today. And should have been done in the U.S. at the same time that South Korea was doing it.

[quote]The US only reported 113 deaths today.

I'm sorry but are you genuinely this stupid or are you just playing stupid on DL? There were over 1700 deaths reported in the US in the past 24 hours.

NY beaches will be open for memorial day weekend per Cuomo press conference.

They will also be open in NJ, CT, and DE

However, the regions that can't open will be locked down at least until May 28th, unless they hit the benchmarks sooner.

CNN: A nine-year-old boy French boy is the first child in the country to die from the "rare" inflammation condition linked to coronavirus. He was hospitalized for seven days after suffering cardiac arrest and subsequently died of a “neurological injury” as a result of the cardiac arrest on Saturday.

The child had tested positive for coronavirus, but he did not develop symptoms.

[quote]What South Korea is doing isn't at all controversial, has been done at various times by quite a few Western governments, and could easily be done today. And should have been done in the U.S. at the same time that South Korea was doing it.

Shoulda, woulda, coulda.... neither the US nor any Euro country will be adopting such measures.

And no one would have in January, that's for sure. But keep up your delusional dreams.

The rush in the US and Europe...even in those countries hardest hit.... is to reopen.

But keep dreaming of wrist bands, ankle bracelets, quarantine dormitories, fines and jail time.

It ain't gonna happen.

ABC:

Coronavirus government response updates: Trump to appoint 2 vaccine officials

Time's print edition isn't pulling any punches.

Evening Standard: German cafe asks customers to wear 'swimming pool noodle hats' to help them follow social distancing.

[quote]Shoulda, woulda, coulda.... neither the US nor any Euro country will be adopting such measures.

Thank you for admitting that your original statement was ridiculously false.

[quote]And no one would have in January, that's for sure. But keep up your delusional dreams.

*shrug* So they adopt them in February, as South Korea did. It doesn't change the fact that the measures were effective, that they were a common-sense response to the pandemic, and that any country could have, and should have, adopted them.

[quote]The rush in the US and Europe...even in those countries hardest hit.... is to reopen.

That's because we have a monumentally narcissistic moron at the helm. Go a head: argue that we *should* be reopening. You can't, of course.

[quote]It ain't gonna happen.

It has already happened at various times, both in the past and in the current crisis, here in the U.S. But keep dreaming that "it can't happen here."

What's interesting about you is that you will not, and can not, argue that the measures weren't effective and appropriate. You're instead whining that "NO western country could get away with this" when, in fact, other Western countries, including the U.S. have indeed quarantined international travelers.

This is the second time we've had this conversation, R523. Are you still going to try to pretend that the U.S. handled everything just fine? I showed you the data in the other thread about quarantines, at the city, state, and federal level, showed you the stories about Trump getting warned about the pandemic in January, showed you that the U.S. is currently handling this pandemic worse today than even the hardest-hit European countries, showed you the countries in the world today that handled the outbreak properly from the very beginning, and you want to go through all of that again?

You're not very bright, are you?

[quote]Are you still going to try to pretend that the U.S. handled everything just fine?

I never said such a thing but that's what you do.

[quote]What's interesting about you is that you will not, and can not, argue that the measures weren't effective and appropriate.

The measures carried out in South Korea taken as a whole, were of course extremely effective. Who has argued otherwise?

Appropriate? For South Korea yes.

But the US and Europe are not...and will not... resort to wrist bands, ankle bracelets, quarantine dormitories etc.

Not gonna happen.

[quote]I never said such a thing but that's what you do.

You said, and I quote: "No it [the U.S.] has handled it [the pandemic] much better." in response to my post about just how poorly the U.S. has handled the pandemic compared to the rest of the world.

But go on and keep lying, as it seems to be what you do best.

[quote]Appropriate? For South Korea yes.

For any country serious about the pandemic. Appropriate for everyone. You cannot argue that, of course, so you'll keep playing silly games.

[quote]But the US and Europe are not...and will not... resort to wrist bands, ankle bracelets, quarantine dormitories, etc.

Moron, they already have, when it comes to international travelers, both currently and in the past. In the U.S., though, they just did it sporadically rather than systematically, so it didn't help. Let me put it in bold for you so that you might actually read it: "[bold]Yes, the U.S. has "resorted" to placing travelers in enforced quarantine at government-controlled facilities.[/bold]"

Some other idiotic notes from R523

[quote]Weird that Walmart and DollarStore are more important than small shop owners.

Gee, I wonder what Walmart sells that those "small shop owners" do not. That couldn't possibly have anything to do with why they are still open, could it?

[quote]Testing means little.

I don't even need to comment on how genuinely stupid that remark is. He doubles down on it later.

[quote]I think a lot of people are going to be wary of taking a new vaccine that's been rushed into production.

[quote]The testing thing is a ruse. Testing only means so much.

[quote]I personally know no one in Italy who has been tested.

[quote]One month from now, most of Europe will have decided to take Sweden's path.

No, they really won't. He is something of a moron.

[quote]No one believes that. Get real. There's plenty to blame Trump about, but failure to contain the virus?

Yup. He had the opportunity and the means and he didn't do jack shit, wasting nearly two months before he took any real action. Meanwhile, those countries that actually acted aren't facing nearly as much trouble and are already opening up again.

[quote]Meanwhile actual criminals are being let OUT of jail because of the coronavirus... but they're putting her in. You just can't make up the absurdity. Yes the asshole judge should be shamed.

The "asshole judge" was facing someone who defied a court order. She wasn't jailed because she opened her shop; she was jailed for contempt of court, because she told the judge that she wasn't going to obey the law and was refusing to obey his court order.

[quote]No it [the U.S.] has handled it [the pandemic] much better.

I don't even need to point out just how genuinely stupid this remark is.

[quote]For population size Spain, Italy, France and the UK are still having more deaths per day than the US.

No, they really aren't. All of them are doing better than the U.S. This was a rather ridiculous lie, since it was so easily disproven by simply looking at the daily stats.

I repeat: He has posted dozens of posts on this topic, on multiple threads and over several weeks, and he still is as ignorant as when he first posted. He has learned, and will continue to learn, absolutely nothing.

"You must adhere to radical far left agenda talking points only! No rational thoughts allowed on here! It happens to me daily. I am about done with this BULLSHIT site."

Says the person promoting a far right agenda

Our resident crazy with the South Korea fetish wonders why the US or Europe doesn't do the following:

"After the 2015 MERS outbreak, South Korea developed new procedures and revised laws to enable more aggressive contact-tracing. The government was given the ability to access citizens’ credit card records, cellphone GPS data, bank records, and the wide-ranging network of security cameras."

"South Korea has the highest proportion of cashless transactions in the world and one of the world’s highest rates of cellphone ownership, along with millions of security cameras.

"During dangerous epidemics, authorities have warrantless access to the private data."

"Once someone is confirmed with COVID-19, the government can retrace their movements and alert, notify, and if necessary, quarantine others who may have come into contact with them. Quarantined people are required to download a monitoring app that alerts authorities if they break isolation. "

"As South Koreans move about the country, they receive new geographically linked alerts about those who have been infected. "

"The granularity of the information is impressive, if not intimidating. An individual’s movements, purchases, and images can be minutely detailed, including whether they were wearing a mask or not at a given time. "

How many of you would stand for this? Please raise your hands.

R533, some of that isn't needed. What South Korea did, that every medical expert recommends, is test, trace, and isolate. You can't argue with that, so you'll continue to play silly games. You also can't bear to admit that you were wrong on oh so many things, like just how badly the U.S. fucked up its response to the pandemic.

[quote]How many of you would stand for this? Please raise your hands.

Test, trace, and isolate to save over one hundred thousand lives? Hell, yes.

To those of you who feel compelled to post digests of your responses to various posts:

NO ONE BOTHERS TO READ THEM!

R146, you can add innumerable further posts to your tally. I guess it's good to know there are only one or two highly prolific fuckwits on this thread.

I particularly like his combo of ageist posts like this one: [quote]MARY! You cowardly little spaz. Surely you must be some frail nursing home frau?

With this one:

[quote]Sure, trashtard, worse than winter 1986 when I lost twenty friends under 35 years old to AIDS. Let's hope covid leaves you gasping on a ventilator, troll.

Generously, if this compassionate gem of a poster was 30 in 1986 he's ~65 now, not exactly a spring chicken or low-risk.

The valid part of his comparison is that like the Reagan gov't, this one doesn't care about diseases where the most vulnerable people are seen as "other" by the 1%

R535

R531Is a stalker nut who has done that numerous times. He takes comments from other threads out of contexts that have nothing to do with the present thread. He thinks others care. A true weirdo.

On the American news morning, on NBC, they said that France might have discovered an earlier Patient Zero than the one they previously stated (late Dec), on 11.15.19, but I cannot find any online links to support this.

LOL.... You wrote the comments, R537. There is no "context" that makes any of those comments anything but the stupidity they are. You know that, of course, which is why you will continue to play these same silly games you've been playing all along, because you know you cannot defend any of your remarks.

Here's a thought: if you don't want your ridiculously stupid remarks to be brought back again, perhaps you should focus on not writing such ridiculously stupid remarks.

T cells found in COVID-19 patients ‘bode well’ for long-term immunity.

Immune warriors known as T cells help us fight some viruses, but their importance for battling SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been unclear. Now, two studies reveal infected people harbor T cells that target the virus—and may help them recover. Both studies also found some people never infected with SARS-CoV-2 have these cellular defenses, most likely because they were previously infected with other coronaviruses.

“This is encouraging data,” says virologist Angela Rasmussen of Columbia University. Although the studies don’t clarify whether people who clear a SARS-CoV-2 infection can ward off the virus in the future, both identified strong T cell responses to it, which “bodes well for the development of long-term protective immunity,” Rasmussen says. The findings could also help researchers create better vaccines.

[quote]Immune warriors known as T cells

Did Trump co-author the paper?

[quote]On the American news morning, on NBC, they said that France might have discovered an earlier Patient Zero than the one they previously stated (late Dec), on 11.15.19, but I cannot find any online links to support this.

Interesting about France:

Deaths yesterday: 351....that would be the equivalent of around 1,680 deaths in the US.

After 2 months of strict nation wide-wide lockdown.

Interesting about France: the day before that showed 83 deaths, which is far better than the U.S. is doing. I love how you try to cherry-pick data. And even your cherry-picked data still shows France doing better than the U.S. The average over the past week is roughly 200 deaths/day. A lot less per capita than the U.S.

For all of the faux-concern trolls who claim contact tracing will never work in the US, here is a good primer on approaches that do and do not bake in privacy protections.

Yes, contact tracing is essential to any COVID control plan, and hence any economic recovery plan. Yes, privacy and governmental data abuse is very much a concern. And yes, there are solutions that strike an acceptable balance.

See link to overview published today by ProtonMail, a leading data protection proponent. This is only one example; just google "contact tracing and privacy protection" .

[quote]And even your cherry-picked data still shows France doing better than the U.S.

*sigh*

France deaths per 1 mil pop: 420

US deaths per 1 mil pop: 264

..............

France tests per 1 mil pop: 21,219

US tests per 1 mil pop: 32,512

Sylvia, please start the new thread soon. We need to prevent the OP of the last dead threads from starting the next one

R509 Are you "playing" dumb? It was still morning when you posted. Over 700 deaths now in the US and it is still early.

I noticed that this thread really started to pick up steam once the Corona Poll troll came back.

Georgia's numbers are probably bullshit too.

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R538, I posted a link last week but I don’t remember anyone commenting on it.

No the CBT came back AFTER it started to pick up.

Enough with the false info!

Remember when DataLounge used to be fun?

Then along came the new wave of borderline psychotics who see themselves as self proclaimed experts everything.

R549. I have a lot of family in Georgia. None of them trust the "official" information, thank goodness. They know bullshit when they smell it.

Remember when DataLounge used to be fun?

Now we've been invaded with a new wave of psychotics who see themselves as self proclaimed experts on everything.

Remember when DataLounge used to be fun?

Now we've been invaded with a new wave of psychotics who see themselves as self proclaimed experts on everything.

A New York barber who defied lockdown and "illicitly" cut hair tests positive for coronavirus

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What is the CBT ?

🎳 The Corona Bowl Troll ?

Guardian-Transmission rates of Covid-19 remain dangerously close to the levels that could cause the epidemic in the UK to start to grow again, according to the government’s latest estimates, raising questions about the extent to which restrictions can be safely eased in the coming weeks. The latest official estimate places the national R value - the rate at which people are passing on infections to others – at between 0.7 and 1. An R value above 1 means the epidemic will start to grow exponentially again, which would result in a new surge of cases.

We will learn the hard way

Guardian-European countries could face a deadly second wave of coronavirus infections in the winter, the World Health Organization’s top official in Europe has said. Dr Hans Kluge, director for the WHO European region, warned countries beginning to ease their lockdown restrictions that now is “time for preparation, not celebration”.

Shady grady

BBC-UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock says 133,784 tests for Covid-19 were carried out on Thursday. That's a further record high after the 126,064 tests on Wednesday, with both tallies exceeding the target set last month for 100,000 tests per day. However, the number of people actually tested was just over half of the headline figure – with 69,590 people tested yesterday. People are often tested twice, sometimes more, to confirm test results as they are not always reliable, while the headline testing figure includes home tests that are counted when they are sent out but have not yet been returned or processed.

Shady grady

BBC-UK Health Secretary Matt Hancock says 133,784 tests for Covid-19 were carried out on Thursday. That's a further record high after the 126,064 tests on Wednesday, with both tallies exceeding the target set last month for 100,000 tests per day. However, the number of people actually tested was just over half of the headline figure – with 69,590 people tested yesterday. People are often tested twice, sometimes more, to confirm test results as they are not always reliable, while the headline testing figure includes home tests that are counted when they are sent out but have not yet been returned or processed.

A sinking ship thanks to the jackass President

Guardian-Brazil’s health minister has abruptly resigned after less than a month on the job – and a day after the country announced it had recorded nearly 14,000 deaths. The sudden resignation of Nelson Teich was announced in a curt WhatsApp message from the health ministry on Friday morning, and is likely to deepen the turmoil around Brazil’s flailing response to the pandemic. Teich was Brazil’s second health minister to leave office in less than a month. His popular predecessor, Luiz Mandetta, was fired by he country’s far-right president, Jair Bolsonaro,on 16 April following disagreements over social isolation measures, which Bolsonaro has dismissed as unnecessary.

[quote] There is growing evidence that the virus causes a far greater array of symptoms than was previously understood. And that its effects can be agonisingly prolonged: in Garner’s case for more than seven weeks. The professor at the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine says his experience of Covid-19 featured a new and disturbing symptom every day, akin to an “advent calendar”. He had a muggy head, upset stomach, tinnitus, pins and needles, breathlessness, dizziness and arthritis in the hands. Each time Garner thought he was getting better the illness roared back. It was a sort of virus snakes and ladders. “It’s deeply frustrating. A lot of people start doubting themselves,” he says. “Their partners wonder if there is something psychologically wrong with them.”

Parking Part 40 here.

I'm feeling oddly nostalgic about thread 1. It feels so long ago.

We were so young an innocent then...

R559, CBT stands for "Cock/Ball Torture."

Back in the Part 1 days, it seemed like people were screaming at each other less.

[quote]France deaths per 1 mil pop: 420; US deaths per 1 mil pop: 264

*sigh* Moron, we were talking about how those countries are doing *right now*. France is doing better than the U.S. Italy is doing better than the U.S. Spain is doing better than the U.S. The countries hit hardest in the early days of the pandemic are *all* now doing better than the U.S.

r558, great news if true, but I'm skeptical. They did this in a petri dish, not in an actual human body.

[quote]However, this is a significant 'if.' Promising though its effects on the virus were in lab tests on human cells, the company can't rightfully say that it has blocked the the infection in the human body.

[quote]The antibody has not yet been tested in people, so how it might behave inside the body and its potential side effects are totally unknown.

R572 Weren't there some researchers in Australia who also stopped or killed the virus in a petri dish a month or so ago? WEHT them?

Since you seem to have so much trouble remembering what you wrote just a short time ago, R545, here it is again:

[quote]For population size Spain, Italy, France and the UK are still having more deaths per day than the US.

You were wrong. Embarrassingly, stupidly, wrong.

Which, come to think of it, describes pretty much all of your posts.

Damned if I know, R573. There have been too many stories about coronavirus "cures," almost all of which have fallen through a short time later. If there was such a cure a month ago, I'm guessing it, too, fell through, since we otherwise would have heard a lot more about it.

Remember back in February when we started stocking up on groceries and supplies? I bought enough to last through April and May, but now I wish I had at least another months worth. It is impossible to find Chlorox wipes and some other stuff now. It was just hard to imagine at that time. It’s only been 2 months, but it is obvious this is going to be a problem for a long time.

I don't think we need to wait and see what happens in the fall. All of the people who are out there throwing caution to the wind will show us before then.

R576 as far as the chlorox goes you can also use washable wipes/cloths and a bit of alcohol 96%, you can get is at the pharmacy(well you can here).

R576 as far as the chlorox goes you can also use washable wipes/cloths and a bit of alcohol 96%, you can get is at the pharmacy(well you can here).

France has had for population size nearly twice as many deaths as the US.

Still doesn't do as much testing as the US.

And yesterday had 351 deaths...the equivalent of 1,684 deaths in the US. . After 2 months of lockdown.

After nearly twice (yikes!) as many deaths as the US...it's good to hear they're doing better.

Yesterday Italy had 262 deaths (equivalent of 1,300 deaths). Today not much better: 242.

Yesterday, Spain the equivalent of 1,400 deaths.

These numbers rise and fall. And yesterday was particularly harsh, but after such strict lockdown measures and numbers of deaths through the roof, it's not a very good showing.

But it's good to see lockdown measures are coming down.

R576, back then I bought a pack or two extra of some items I didn’t normally use much, like bleach wipes. Now I use them every day. I had no idea I’d need that many.

I bought laundry soap, for example, and now I do laundry a lot more, because I’m constantly rewashing dish towels, and wash my towels much more. I even wash my pillows more. I use much more liquid soap, but at least I have a lot of bar soap so I do have something. I had no idea I’d have to take two showers a day on shopping day, one before and one after, or throw every bit of clothing I was wearing straight into the washer on my return. Or that we’d be looking at May as time to prep for fall, not the beginning of the end.

Some of the things I needed more of, I didn’t predict correctly. I did buy some Purell type antibacterial wash. I thought I had plenty, but I’m going through it much faster than I ever have. And we’re all cooking more now. I’m using a lot more vegetables than I usually do.

What items are DLers using more of, that they didn’t predict they’d need?

NYC is considering requiring reservations for using the subways. Like in restaurants.

[quote]The MTA chief said Thursday he was considering a reservation system for mass transit, as agency officials try to figure out ways to keep riders safe as commuters return to subways and buses, once coronavirus restrictions are lifted in the city.

[quote]MTA officials concede it's difficult, if not impossible, for riders to stay six feet apart on train cars and buses, leading them to consider this unorthodox idea to meter access.

[quote]MTA Chairman Pat Foye discussed the idea during a virtual panel hosted by Crain's New York, saying that it would employ technology used in the MTA's new tap-and-go fare payment system, known as OMNY, and the household name for scoring tickets to concerts. "S combination of OMNY and Ticketmaster technology may work and in that scenario, customers, at least for some period of time, would be asked to make a reservation," Foye said.

[quote]The MTA chairman also said that commuters may need to wait on line if they want to travel on the subway, using cameras to measure crowds in stations. "We'll be exploring things like metering the number of people that enter a subway station that go down to the mezzanine, that go down to the platform and get on a subway car," Foye said."We'll be exploring things like metering the number of people that enter a subway station that go down to the mezzanine, that go down to the platform and get on a subway car," Foye said.

Is he serious? Could you imagine such a thing happening in NYC?

R581 I know I'm in an extreme minority here, but I don't do any of those things. I don't clean the house or myself any more or less often than "before". I do find myself eating more vegetables, as the freezer at the grocery store was sold out except for a 5 pound bag of mixed vegetables which I find oddly delicious.

[quote]Is he serious? Could you imagine such a thing happening in NYC?

No.

R583 I do wash towels more often because of the increased hand-washing, but that's about it. And I had to buy a lingerie bag to launder all of my masks in so that the ties and elastic don't get all tangled up in the regular laundry.

I'm going through a lot more coffee, but that was to be expected.

I wish I’d bought more soft shorts. And some comfortable sandals for around the house. I spend a lot of time on my feet now.

I don’t usually spend a million hours in the kitchen tenderly washing carrots and celery in a soapy bath, rinsing them in a strainer, then lovingly drying each one until they’re sparkling clean and dry, as if they are small children being bathed in the sink. Then bagging them for the fridge or freezer.

I’ve never eaten such clean food in my life. It’s like each bite sized carrot is a precious treasure. I guess we’re learning to appreciate what we have.

R582, that might actually work if the office workers who can work at home keep doing it.

A lot of employers just like to see their workers in person, but it’s not necessary. If you talk on the phone and look at a computer, you can do it at home and there’s really no reason to go to work except for Luddite employers.

This is another case of employers making selfish decisions because of non-existent leadership at the top.

If Obama was President, he’d be telling people to work at home and reminding employers they’re saving money by not having employees there in person. But Trump is a backwards asshole and he just wants to see the streets bustling.

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Saudi Arabia reports highest daily increase in coronavirus cases

From Ruba Alhenawi and Mostafa Salem (CNN)

Saudi Arabia has announced 2,307 new coronavirus cases in the past day — its highest daily increase yet, the country's health ministry tweeted Friday.

At least nine new deaths related to the virus were also confirmed, bringing the death toll to at least 292, the ministry said.

The additional cases bring the total number of known Covid-19 infections in the country to more than 49,000.

Saudi Arabia on Tuesday announced a new 24-hour nationwide curfew starting May 23 and during Eid holidays to control the spread of the virus, state-news agency SPA reported, quoting the Ministry of Interior.

The kingdom had last month eased lockdown measures during the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, which started from April 23. The important Eid holidays mark the end of Ramadan.

With ramped up testing, reported coronavirus cases continue to rise in Saudi Arabia, and the authorities have called on residents to limit gatherings, an important custom during Ramadan and Eid holidays.

Italian museums to reopen Monday after two-month lockdown

From CNN's Livia Borghese and Sharon Braithwaite

Italian museums are preparing to reopen on Monday, but the world-renowned Uffizi Gallery in Florence will "probably" wait another week because the government has not issued safety guidelines, the museum's press office told CNN on Friday.

Uffizi is planning to allow a maximum of 450 people at one time once it reopens, compared to the capacity of 900 before the pandemic, the press office said, adding that the museum has suffered a loss of 10 million euros (about $10.8 million USD) during the lockdown, mainly due lack of revenue from ticket sales, but also from the missed sales of merchandising and books in their shops.

In 2019, the Uffizi was visited by 2.2 million people, the press office said.

The archaeological site of Pompeii is planning to reopen on May 26 with a two-week trial during which visitors will be allowed only on the main streets of the ancient city.

After that period, some of the main “domus” – roman houses – will be opened, with separate entrance and exit paths for visitors.

The Vatican Museums have not set a date for reopening yet.

[quote]France has had for population size nearly twice as many deaths as the US.

And has responded better than the U.S. to the crisis, successfully bending the curve downward. Meanwhile, we still have a moron in charge, one who has no idea what to do and has no plan for how to handle the outbreak.

[quote]And yesterday had 351 deaths...the equivalent of 1,684 deaths in the US. . After 2 months of lockdown.

And the days before that, which you still can't bring yourself to acknowledge, had far fewer deaths. France is doing better than the U.S. You were simply wrong. Embarrassingly, stupidly wrong.

[quote]These numbers rise and fall.

You still cannot bring yourself to admit you were wrong, can you? You were simply wrong. Embarrassingly, stupidly wrong. It's really not that hard to admit it. Come on, now. You can do it!

The Hill:

White House adds new members to coronavirus task force

Denmark records no coronavirus deaths over 24 hours for the first time since March

From CNN's Niamh Kennedy

Denmark has recorded zero deaths from coronavirus in the past 24 hours, the Danish Ministry of Health's press office told CNN, adding that this is the first day since March 13 that the country has recorded no fatalities from the virus.

Denmark switched to a mitigation strategy on March 12 and accelerated testing according to an epidemiology report from the Statens Serum Institut in Denmark, which works under the auspices of the Danish Ministry of Health to ensure preparedness against infectious diseases and biological threats.

As of April 1, extensive testing was carried out on patients with mild symptoms, the report adds

Yes R591, France's 27,529 deaths so far (the equivalent of circa 132,140 deaths in the US) is a job well done!

[quote]Britain finally approves 100% accurate coronavirus antibody test... but experts slam PHE for taking too long as UK languishes TEN DAYS behind EU and US

The US doesn't have a 100% accurate coronavirus antibody test.

CNN: New forecast from the CDC predicts 100,000 coronavirus deaths by June 1.

June 1? More like by next weekend.

Farewell thread

Adieu

See you in Pt 40