Ryan Murphy's "Hollywood" on Netflix Reviews: Not good.

"A dud."

Mistake #1...giving Janet Mock more of a platform. It will fail for that alone.

Yes, yes!

Darren Criss review.

Wanted this to be good, but not surprised. Actually glad reviewers aren’t grading on a curve the way they do with the writing and acting in Pose.

Based on the reviews, I think at the very least we’ll see nudity from Corenswet and maybe Darren Criss.

there's nothing more boring than Ryan Murphy's hard-on for Hollywood.

Why would anyone think anything from Ryan Murphy would be good? I’m unclear on this?

I want Murphy and Mock to do a revisionist take on the Civil Rights movement. Billy Porter as Martin Luther King Jr., who becomes Martha halfway through.

I've read MUCH worse reviews. In fact, both reviews above cite as many, if not more, positive comments than negative ones.

I might also question why people on this forum are so disdainful of Ryan Murphy, when he is one of the only producers around with enough clout to actually bring gay and lesbian characters to the screen consistently?

The positive response in the reviews is for production values and some performances. Which is what you can typically count on in a Murphy show.

[quote]I might also question why people on this forum are so disdainful of Ryan Murphy, when he is one of the only producers around with enough clout to actually bring gay and lesbian characters to the screen consistently?

Because she's a bitch with no taste.

That Hollywood Reporter review isn't exactly a pan...

The Ryan Murphy haters here are Trumpies with trans issues. Just ignore them.

Ryan Murphy makes slightly above average soap operas.

Go woke and..

Murphy will never do anything as good as the first season of Nip/Tuck. That season was so beautifully acted and plotted, I wonder if he didn't have someone in his production company with an eye for continuity, someone he lost later on.

I gave up on Murphy after The Politician. What a piece of shit that was.

[quote]That Hollywood Reporter review isn't exactly a pan...

And nobody claimed the reviews are outright pans?

None of the reviews are outright positive or raves either. The thread title is basically correct.

Does Netflix even worry about reviews?

The thread title is not correct. The reviews are fine.

The BBC calls it “a disaster.”

R21 I’m always confused about BBC in gay settings, if they mean the British Broadcasting Corporation or Big Black Cock, and here it’s only the latter’s opinion I’m interested in knowing.

The reviews are middling r20, therefore it is accurate to say they are "not good".

I came a little.

I don"t bother with reviews. I don't care what some stranger thinks of something I want to see, never did.

Darren Criss looks dead inside at R24

I'm not a Ryan Murphy hater and am FAR from being a "Trumpie", but got sick and tired of all the trans drama a long time ago. They could all drop off the face of the earth as far as I'm concerned.

R26 So you are saying he’s doing a great job acting as a whore?

Writer-director Janet Mock? I thought he was an escort.

Thoughts?

I vote, not quite.

R30 In some pictures he looks more like Brad Davis. I would love to see Ryan Murphy do a biopic on him and cover the early AIDS era in Hollywood and how it impacted gay and bisexual closeted actors.

Murphy would just ruin that by casting Darren Criss as Brad Davis.

I like several shows and movies that have average reviews so I dont care what random critics think. I'll make up my own opinion, thanks.

I'll give it a few episodes. Murphy is wonderful at coming up with concepts and ideas, but something always gets muddled along the way. That other poster was right - the first season of Nip/Tuck is the best thing he's done. Even season 2 was fairly solid, but 3 was when things started taking a turn and, by season 4, it was nothing but an impressive array of guest stars with no substance.

No, r33! We are trying to violently force you to share these critics' opinions just by posting them!

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

[quote]Murphy would just ruin that by casting Darren Criss as Brad Davis.

Seriously? Darren Criss can act, he’s proved that many times in his last movies.

Darren Criss was just playing himself in Versace.

Did any reviews mentioned gratuitous gay sex scenes?

R38 no one has described the sex scenes but several of them vaguely mention both gay and straight scenes that are "colorful", "numerous" and "graphic". So I guess it depends on what these people's perception is with those descriptions.

Ok, BBC, if it’s such a “disaster,” how come you gave it a star?

Just the one, dear.

Hopefully this means the end of Darren Criss.

[quote]he’s proved that many times in his last movies.

Which many movies would that be?

R37: He’s basically playing himself in Hollywood too.

It seems 'playing himself' when Murphy is doing the writing doesn't yield the same results. No review is singling him out so far - unlike McDermott and a few others.

R42: Fingers crossed

A Hollywood woke-fantasy show where we get to imagine: "what if we had always been woke?" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[quote]no one has described the sex scenes but several of them vaguely mention both gay and straight scenes that are "colorful", "numerous" and "graphic". So I guess it depends on what these people's perception is with those descriptions.

If they'd seen the sex scene with Patti LuPone, they'd have had to add "disgusting" to that list of adjectives.

R48 you've seen it or are you grossed out by LuPone having a sex scene and assume its "disgusting"?

[quote] Murphy would just ruin that by casting Darren Criss as Brad Davis..... Seriously? Darren Criss can act, he’s proved that many times in his last movies.

Stop, just stop, you will never win. Queens here are convinced he's gay and closeted, worse yet, gay, closeted, successful AND he works with Ryan Murphy. And if he came out they would attack him because he gay, out, successful AND works with Ryan Murphy. See how that works?

[quote] or are you grossed out by LuPone having a sex scene and assume its "disgusting"?

For all we know, it's a scene that gay men everywhere will find a huge turn-on!

I'm turned on by the thought of Dylan McDermott as a 40s pimp. I hope we also get to see him service clients. I'd be much more turned on by that then the nobodies who are playing Rock Hudson and his other employees.

R28 What makes you think he's acting?

As I said before, scottie Bowers deserves a truthful show solely about him.

So do Henry Wilson and Rock Hudson.

We should have realistic depictions that tell the original And true stories before anyone makes any “ historical fiction” or Tarantino history rewrite porn.

We’ve told you a thousand times, r10, a.k.a. Ryan Murphy.

Style is not substance. Affirmation is not entertainment.

You don’t do quality or originality so you don’t get respect.

Nobody owes you approval because you depicted queers. You owe us quality and you could have done true, informative biopics about Bowers and Wilson.

Can we ever truly get a show about Rock Hudson until Lee Majors dies?

How many projects has Murphy produced for Netflix now? I know Rachett still has to air. There's a documentary series he did that's about to premiere.

Has he put a Netflix project out yet? I still see his FX bullshit airing all the time. I know he has a big deal at Netflix.

r55, their stories are entertaining as is. You don't have to make up a load to bullshit when there's plenty of there there already.

Murphy's "Feud" was embarrassing. Using a fake parody letter created by a Joan Crawford Facebook group was the final straw for me.

OMG, he hired tranny Janet Mock to write this dreck???!! Jesus Christ, no wonder it's awful. Her claim to fame was hacking off her genitals and being black.

Mock is also an antisemite.

I LOVE Pose and American Horror Story, I loved both seasons of American Crime and also Feud. I've not seen The Politician yet, but I was interested in seeing Hollywood - might still give it a chance, I have been known to like critical 'duds'.

R62 But what about the critical dudes?

R48 We’ve all seen her tits in Summer of Sam. Wild.

[quote]How many projects has Murphy produced for Netflix now? I know Rachett still has to air. There's a documentary series he did that's about to premiere.

This is Murphy's first project from his Netflix deal. The Politician was done while he was still at Fox.

The only other projects from his Netflix deal that have been filmed are Murphy's film of "The Prom" with Meryl Streep, and the Joe Mantello-directed "Boys in the Band."

Here is a thread for what he's announced

[quote]I LOVE Pose and American Horror Story, I loved both seasons of American Crime and also Feud.

Sweetie, this is Datalounge, you're not supposed to admit it.

And yet lots of DLers have said what they like in his work and which shows / seasons impressed them, R67. The victimhood isn't real.

Is there to be an “official” thread? Will someone prepare it?

Just use this one. Or pay the $18 and start one yourself.

The nude scenes are being posted on Auscaps

There’s something very unsexy about them. Like the boys are mannnequins or something.

Started a thread

“A baffling Hindenburg of TV.”

Too gay for some critics perhaps?

Yup, it’s already considered “way too gay” from many soccer mom critics.

[quote]Too gay for some critics perhaps?

Here comes the strawman.

The reviews have a problem with the naivety of ideas, the concept and its execution. They know a Murphy show is as gay as they come, and nobody has an issue with that.

R76 Exactly. I dont mind the overall concept but it leaned in way too hard and execution is awful

I'm just now starting on the second episode. I really enjoyed the first one. David Corenswet is a less swole and more charismatic Henry Cavill.

[quote]The reviews have a problem with the naivety of ideas, the concept and its execution. They know a Murphy show is as gay as they come, and nobody has an issue with that.

It's 2020 you think some critic is going to write..."ewww boys fucking"?

There was enough there to do a miniseries about Bowers or Henry Wilson without all the revisionist history. Henry‘s in particular is a fascinating story. Every time I read something new about old Hollywood I discover yet another male star who was a client of Wilson’s.

[quote]“A baffling Hindenburg of TV.”

Oh, the humanity!

So basically the re-imagining is Murphy made himself an excuse for adoring old Hollywood.

[quote]What stuck with me most about Hollywood — more than McDermott's snarly charisma, Mantello's buttoned-up sensitivity, or LuPone's imperial swagger — was the feeling of Ryan Murphy admiring and despairing of the studios of yore. He's a student of film history who loves this period: A cafeteria full of costumed extras from seven different pictures, young contract players learning Mid-Atlantic accents, parties at George Cukor's house with no press and no judgment. So much of that is tied up with cultural travesties, whole peoples ignored and subjugated, generations of artists who had to hide for their work (or never got to work at all).

[quote]Everyone who loves film history grapples with this. My family just rewatched the ever-splendid Singin' in the Rain here in our quarantine bunker. For the first time, I wondered if Jean Hagen's loathsomely cheetah-voiced Lina Lamont was getting a raw deal, this shrill grotesquerie of daffy-damery. I believe that thought was incepted in my brain from years of watching Ryan Murphy TV — and just imagine his Lina Lamont Netflix prequel!

I loved The Politician. When is season 2?

Like many gay white men of his generation, Murphy has strong reactionary tendencies. It’s no surprise he was a Buttigieg supporter.

R83, I think it wrapped filming in January. I'm guessing late summer?

Does anyone think the actor David Corenswet who plays Jack Castillo gives that Henry Caville vibe? He looks like him.

Yes he’s like a twunky Henry. He always reminded me a little of Clint Walker at time but then Henry is very like Clint so it figures.

They could play brothers.

Who?

Am I the ONLY gay man that doesn't give a FUCK about old Hollywood--gay, straight, and bearded?

Except for the unsolved murders, of course.

Yes, yes you are.

Old Hollywood is very interesting. Studio system pr closet etc. I love old Hollywood movies, those people knew how to make movies.

R10 Gays should NOT support mediocrity just because it comes from a gay man who gives roles to his gay friends and some trannies , get a fucking clue!

Come no, R93, there's no reason to call poor Patti LuPone a tranny just because she looks like an old Sicilian man now.

Lupone is the only decent thing about the show. The rest of it is all pastiche. And there are many projects based on the various subject matters superficially handled in the show (Rock H., the Scotty Bowers story). Murphy is such a pig. And it's SO fucking calculated how he puts Janet Mock in the director's chair to protect himself from criticism. Because God forbid someone critique Ms. He She. and the genital denial/ destruction movement.

I’m sort of watching it; it’s not good enough for a full attention watching.

Official thread here...

[quote] Gays should NOT support mediocrity just because it comes from a gay man who gives roles to his gay friends and some trannies , get a fucking clue!

And some will never be satisfied and refuse to enjoy themselves out of spite of their empty lives.

What, r98 says!

Already out of the top ten on Netflix, after just two weeks LOL (Ozark still in the top ten after two months) Netflix royally fucked up giving all the money to a hack like Murphy.

I would still diddle Darren Criss. Sue me.

I actually like David Cornswet..I don't think he is that bad of an actor. I find him charming.

its doing massively well on Netflix. its not Shakespeare.....its gayola and chock a block with hotties.....great fun.

and has la lupone!

That Netflix top ten stuff is pure b.s.

F teh reviews... i loved this show!

I need a dvd of just cornsweth's scenes to jak off to

[quote] I actually like David Cornswet..I don't think he is that bad of an actor. I find him charming.

I think he’s hot, very Henry Cavill

Rock Hudson was spectacularly gorgeous. It's unfair to cast an actor to play him, since no one could possibly meet that goal.

rock tried picking up my dad in an antique store. . dad loved telling that. dads not gay dammit!!!! he said rock was quite aggressive and I must admit dad has a big cock and big hot ass.

did I fantasize bout sucking dad? no. he was hairy.

[quote]saw him once coming out of the shower, i almost fainted

Almost fainted because he shortchanged ya, huh?

no it was ten inches soft, how did momma take it????