Gen Z and bisexuality

Only the hot guys actually crave cock. The fat ones and the ugly ones are just attention whores.

Why do you assume they “crave cock?” Maybe they just crave boogina!?

Who cares which way larvae wriggle?

I thought people have stopped having sex now.

What’s a tip tok?

Forget guys being Bisexual. Now they're Heteroflexible.

They are mostly straight

I have noticed that many of the young guys come out as bi instead of gay. I'd even say more come out as bi than gay. Is there a reason? I just find it odd. Are some of them gay but come out as bi to get attention? Do they think it makes them more attractive or woke or whatever? We all know gay men worship straight men, so it's probably the same with bi guys. Some of these "bi" guys are femme and only dating guys. Seem more gay than bi to me. Then you have those who claim to be bi but are really just straight. You never see them with guys, they are always dating women. I think some claim to be bi for attention and just to seem more woke.

They do it to seem edgy. Look, at the office here, we have a fag hag with green hair who is super jealous of any woman who is not obese like her and back stabs everyone. Has jeopardized projects both me and my roommate worked on and says she is a "socialist" who won't go to the mall (which is bullshit because in this Romanian town, the local version of Target, big pharmacies (which gave the flu shot which she said she got) and bigger supermarkets are all at the back of malls). She constantly says "I am LGBTQIAXYZF" and everything is "offensive" so she would run to HR all the time. She would follow one of the twinks in our office to the only gay club in town and drink and draw attention to herself when, in fact, she was totally unwanted and the few girls there either worked the coat room or would just stop in a sort of separate outdoor terrace place for a beer and pizza and keep to themselves (it's a different set up here). Totally inappropriate, attention seeking behavior that drew stares (which was what she wanted). One of the twinks at work told me that a few years ago a conservative Dutch fellow in his 60's asked her to live with him and have a baby (she's a very good housekeeper and cook and not ugly in the face) and she abandoned her principles immediately and went with him to Holland but was so odious that he kicked her out.

That is Gen Z....they feel "cool" usurping the LGBTQ identity.

Being bi feels less threatening than all out gay.

I think it's more the fact they're more aware of their sexuality.

Heterosexuality is the norm set by society, but it's not the human norm. A majority of people who call themselves straight are in the spectrum of bisexuality. But be it because they don't understand themselves, are bigots, or some other personal reason, they don't figure it out or refuse to accept their bisexuality.

With gen z tho, they're against against society's norms in general, so they're more open to admit they're not heterosexual, they're more open to experiment with the same sex, and they're more accepting of each other.

So even if their family and friends doesn't accept their bisexuality, they can turn to the internet and find others their age that are also on the same situation.

What the fuck does rolling up/cuffing your pants have to do with being bisexual?!?

(and almost all the guys in that video come off as gay, gay , GAY)

Cis straight oppressors are BORING!

LOOK AT ME NOT BEING BORING! VALIDATE ME!

I believe that has a lot to do with it. Not everything, but much of it.

Yeah, the guys at my school are all bi or fluid, even the straight guys.

I watched the TikTok but I couldn't see any cock.

Bi is so 90s. The kids today are all pan.

If only I'd known that all the dudes that cuffed their jeans in the 80's and 90's were bi, high school and college would've been way more fun.

It's not much different from the past except now a few more males like to pretend they are bisexual just like females. They're really just pandering heterosexuals or cowardly homosexuals. But, at least they aren't calling themselves pan. Progress!

GAY means you have to prance and mince and lisp. They don't want that

I hope for the next generation being the sex-negative generation. We need Sex negativity to progress as a society.

They're too unformed and lazy to BE anything specific.

It's a devolution to amoebae.

Where do you guys live?

Male bisexuality is still extremely taboo

Mostly because women simply won't tolerate and want no parts of it

Even a liberal magazine like Cosmopolitan did a survey and found that almost 70 percent of women wouldn't date a man whose been with another guy at least ONCE

Women won't allow it

They can be bi, and straight guys love that, but men can't

They were lectured to that the existing labels around them were offensive and derogatory. So they created new labels for themselves they feel are inoffensive. Only, the don’t view them as labels, lest they hurt their own feelings.

No one on the DL seems to realise that most people are secretly bi.

Uh, no, R24. Most people are heterosexual. Some people are homosexual. A few people are bisexual. Also, there is a difference between sexual orientation and sexual behavior.

Oh whatever, it's been this same things all the way back to the 80s, when it was briefly cool and edgy to be "bisexual" (without ever acting on it).

Datalounge.

Where a dozen or so attention whores on TikTok are clearly representative of an entire generation.

Well, some DLers clearly spend all fucking day on Tik Tok.

Call me when they're actually taking a cock up the ass. Otherwise, it's performative bullshit for people with no personalities. Most of these kids have not even had sex, with anyone, well into their early twenties.

Again women won't fuck with bi guys, so even if a guy was curious, he probably would never act on it because if it gets out it'll destroy his chances of getting pussy

Ask female friends, they'll all so NOPE

My gay friends always try to dismiss male bisexuality, even when they have romantic and sexual attraction towards woman, I guess if you want to be in a community you have to be 100% gay, there is a thing called bi erasure in the lgbt community

All these posts and opinions are violence! LITERAL VIOLENCE!!!!

R14 and you do understand that they are only calling themselves such in a desperate attempt to find an identity and seem cool, right?

And boomers and Gen X keep asking why why why on every bloody issue. Sometimes you don't have to understand every thing, nan.

Another fad like gluten, every kid having ADHD, yoga, it all goes in cycles, next year it will be something else.

I have a Gen Z brother that's ten years younger. I don't think the men are more likely to be bi than millennial men. There is definitely less stigma around it though so guys that fool around are more likely to be open about it. My brother called himself bi for a while and has definitely hooked up with guys in college. He has a long term girlfriend now, idk what he identifies as currently. In the past, guys who hooked up with guys in college would not openly discuss it or call themselves bi because of it.

I think the whole issue of Gen Z and bestiality really shows the failure of parents in today's world.

All that fur and all those feathers and scales! Such a mess! Disgusting!

It’s cause the guys are so hot these days and the girls drab as dishwater like the DAmelio girls and that Rae creature. Who wouldn’t rather fuck with the beautiful boys?

It's all for likes and followers on social media.

I don't really get what's surprising about this to people. Twenty years ago, If you were bi there was a huge amount of pressure to say you're straight so almost every single bi person did that. Most of us gay men would have done it too if it was possible for us to get it up for a women and enjoy sex. Society did not tolerate people who weren't straight.

Now there is no stigma attached to being attracted to the same sex so lots of people that were bi that would have called themselves straight 20 years ago now instead are openly bi. This is obviously the case and I don't get pretending you don't understand it just to make some lame joke about Gen Z wanting likes on social media or something else stupid.

This is funny. You usually see the women do the bi panic schtick but this time there's a guy in the middle.

And yes, he's actually bi. He's in a relationship with a guy.

I'm starting to think that only female bisexuality is genuine. 90% of bisexual men pine for pussy the whole time you're with them and end up ceasing same-sex attraction, marrying women, having kids and staying that way for life.

The acid test comes when the experimenting is done and family pressure often forces them to marry their much more socially acceptable female partners. We just knew you were straight hon!

Bisexuality is like alien life. For sure it exists but like UFO's, most bi's turn out to be sounding balloons...

R44 True, but I have a feeling many of these bisexuals are actually gay leaning. I'm a Millannial so I'm out of the loop, but I do follow quite a few male bisexual gen z guys on tiktok. Many of them admit they are more attracted to one over the other, they usually prefer guys. I think the shift is happening where bi guys who are like 70-30 before would call themselves just gay but are now identifying as bi, even if they do lean gay. I could see it the other way around too. The guys who lean hetero are identifying as bi when they would have identified as straight a decade or two ago. But as I said, at least for guys, many (if not most) of the bi guys I follow do have a preference, a gay one.

Because all people are bi, OP. Just you wait. Another 30 years max and most will be comfortable realizing and admitting they are bi.

I think it’s they’s calling themselves “bisexual”, it’s not necessarily true. Most “bisexuals” are in straight relationships according to Gallup.

[quote]Because all people are bi, OP.

No, I’m not bi. I’m gay.

A combination of factors, one being a desire not to say no on the principle that, whether they are prepared to act upon it or not, it's negative (and somehow reflects poorly upon them). The other is that same sex attraction grows when there is room provided to act upon the opportunity. (All the bloody whining about "Why would anyone want to be born like this!?" overlooks the possibility that people steer away from/suppress or act upon feelings in some proportion to the idea that they perceive it to be a possibility.

[quote]Another 30 years max and most will be comfortable realizing and admitting they are bi.

No. I don’t what this is referencing but I suspect it’s that gay or straight men are not into transmen or transwomen.

[quote]The other is that same sex attraction grows when there is room provided to act upon the opportunity.

If I were trapped on an island with all women, I would never have sex again.

Song

Why? Because society is now more accepting of something that is inherent to some degree in all humans. The pressure to suppress these tendencies is not as intense as it once was.

Probably lots of bi now straight laters.

Bisexuality was always rampant in the "straight male" community, but the world was too puritanical to accept it. Times change though, Bisexuality is more accepted now so men are willing to explore their inherit same sex attraction.

I teach at a major university in a big blue city and yeah, they're all pansexual and fluid now. Getting a little more rare to see a jock and sorority girl together, which used to be the norm. Just a lot more diversity and acceptance of nearly everything now with the young college-agers.

R20 what is that?

More like this please

They’re just trying to be cool it’s not sincere. It reminds me of that line from Not if You Were the last Junkie on Earth “ You never thought you'd get addicted, just be cooler in an obvious way I could say, shouldn't you have got a couple piercings and decided maybe that you were gay,”

Not gay. Bi or mostly straight

This generation will be even more insufferable when they reach middle age.

No, they are cool

Only on DL does the notion of defining a generation based on a handful of thirst trap TikTok stars seem like a good idea.

Now that gay is normal for them and they see their seniors are getting married with kids and Monday night football, bisexuality is the new frontier.

Nice

Side dude

I think that trend is overly reported. It’s better than in the past, but the boys in this gen are still pretty homophobic. The girls far less so (homophobic), toward gay boys-particularly fems.

Bi athlete

I love Gen. Z

Bi guys who are romantically heterosexual are the least likely of any group to come out. They often view their interactions with men as something purely sexual so they think there's no need to share that with friends, family, or even the women they date / marry.

There's been a movement to get more of them to come out as bisexual if only to raise awareness that it exists and to destigmatize male bisexuality. Most gays are out with family and work, most bi guys are not. so expect to see a lot more coming out

my friends brother did this. he's got a girlfriend but informed the family he was bisexual.

the real reason why Gen Z straights don't have girlfriends and are forced to sleep with each other

Bisexuals treat their girlfriends as badly as they treat their boyfriends.

Anyone who thinks people are just pretending to be bi to score cool points is an idiot. Clearly more people are just reporting as bi now that it's more socially acceptable to do so, whereas in the past people hid that side of themselves. End of story.

I think more people are just open about finding the same sex attractive which is causing them to call themselves "bi". But way too many people seem to not understand acknowledging someone as attractive is not the same as being sexually attracted to them. Also, it's probably the same people who mislabel close same-sex friendships and intimacy as a sign of bisexuality. That's extremely regressive as well. Being bisexual means you enjoy having sex with both men and women. Thinking someone of the same sex looks attractive or being emotionally close to the same sex is not the same as actually being bisexual.

[quote] I think that trend is overly reported. It’s better than in the past, but the boys in this gen are still pretty homophobic. The girls far less so (homophobic), toward gay boys-particularly fems.

I've noticed that too. I think the girls are still a bit homophobic in that they only acknowledge fem gay boys and love to appropriate drag culture and stereotypes. When they met boring/low-key gay boys who don't fit their stereotype and lack interest in feminine things, they tend to act surprised or annoyed.

it's because there's no meaningful way to be cool or different like there was in the past with grunge or emo or other subcultures. everything is available to everyone now because of the internet so all this "open" bisexuality stuff is just a way to signify edginess due to there still being a notable "taboo" around it in most places. also, there is a certain subset of women (mostly women who identify as "bisexual" themselves or dye their hair weird) that is into these very feminine bi seeming guys. zoomer girls LOVE timothee types.

Sexy

I think most everyone is on the spectrum, as Kinsey hypothesized. Gen Z is generally more tolerant of a wide range of diversity, so if they're feeling like they're a 3/10 or a 8/10, it's easier to come out and say it than it was for previous generations. They're not as judgmental . . . well, perhaps it's more accurate to say they judge you for different criteria (e.g., insta-worthiness, etc.)

I agree that most everyone falls somewhere on the bell curve but the lower you are on either side will override any attraction to whichever side you fall on if that makes sense. In other words, there will always be a bias for your preference. Your mind will assume you are straight or gay the lower you are on either side.

I work with Gen Z'ers. 90-95 of the guys are still straight. Anyone who claims he is bi is either really gay or just seeking attention.

I meant 90-95 percent.

R81,Dont be a loon dude

R20 that is the next trend on the horizon, I think.

Can’t remember the author or the title anymore, but years ago I read a cheap low-rent sci-fi paperback about a fictional future Earth where society had eliminated the need for sex to reproduce, and so sex had become this atavistic backward act that was societally frowned upon (like shitting in the street or in open sewers). People who discovered to still engage in sex on the underground were considered untouchables, and those conceived by sex were derisively called ‘orgs’ and treated like savages.

I assume that a LOT of people would respond to A LOT of different types of people sexually, but is that really bisexual? I don't know. I can identify beautiful people, especially beautiful women. But I am not attracted to them. It's just an acknowledgement or maybe envy. I still think if you really want to know what your sexuality is, you should think about who you used to have crushes on. OMG my nosy fifteen year old son just looked at what I was typing.

I have crushes on women and dudes

I can relate to that R85. My dad always had playboy models pics in his garage. I used to pick out the most beautiful would just stare at them. In my early twenties, I sometimes wondered if I was bi or a lesbian, So I had sex with a woman and was seriously bored. I decided that my attraction to women was that I saw their beauty as purely artistic.

Did you get it up, bro?

R87 is female.... bro.

R87 I went to a strict girls’-only school from age 12-18, and there was a lot of girl-girl romantic & sexual activity going on that in retrospect I would now describe as half-hearted situational convenience.

Many fellow girls I knew at the time engaged in lesbian activity, and dozens even openly called themselves bi or lesbian to friends & family, but a decade on from that time only a handful of all those girls are still actively pursuing women for sex or love. A lot are ‘queer’ women in Hetero marriages with kids.

Interestingly, the few of my old class who are currently dating women or openly calling themselves lesbian were the ones in deep the closet and not the ones having causal lesbian sex or dates back then. The real gays were in hiding as vulnerable kids, because they had much to fear and something to protect.

[quote] I work with Gen Z'ers.

You work at Pizza Hut?

Gen Z is lit

Bi King

Gabe

Gabe

It’s queer pressure.

If you are anything other than full hetero, it gives you an opportunity to maintain that you are misunderstood, perhaps even discriminated against — dare I say (fully tumescent here) oppressed. That’s the pole position in modern social discourse.

Huh?

Hottie

What label applied when you date non-binary folks?

My personal experience as a Millennial with Gen Zs seems to confirm this with some particular observations. Let me remind you that the oldest Gen Z is 26 already, this is not exclusive of teenagers.

I rent from a veteran who seems to love army guys, so basically all my neighbors are either in the military or somehow connected to it. They're between 23-28. My next door neighbor says he's straight, but keeps asking me, an out gay guy what I think about bisexuality, all the time. He's 24, never dates, he's kind of gloomy and sad and once told me he had fucked women for sex only and it was the worst feeling for all of them. He wants true love.

They smoke weed so I've joined them before and that's how the real scoop comes in. Theres an openly gay army guy there, who even hugged me when we met. He's very hot but not really my type, but I was aware that he dated another army guy now in prison for whatever he did, he was also a dirt biker, it has to do with drugs and violence. I sometimes hear him fucking women, I even mentioned this before on DL on other threads, he still calls himself gay and so do his friends, even though he fucks women randomly.

Why? You tell me. Then the other 3 we hang out with, claim to be straight, but all have told me in private they had same sex relations and one of them even is in love with a guy who's married. So in my experience they're really blurring the lines, and this is coming from guys with a very masculine perspective.

I forgot to mention this dude who's really into showing his videos fucking girls, he really shows them, then one day the other army dude came to me and said they had fucked many times while drunk and that even though he loves to fuck women he thinks the other dude is a closet case with a reputation for rough sex with guys.

[quote] I'm starting to think that only female bisexuality is genuine. 90% of bisexual men pine for pussy the whole time you're with them and end up ceasing same-sex attraction, marrying women, having kids and staying that way for life.

Not my experience at all. Most of my exes were true bisexual men. Are you from an old generation?

Some are married to women today, others are dating guys. There is a spectrum though on how they relate to it. Some have emotional attractions to one gender and only fuck the other and the other way around. It's as diverse as anything else.

The oldest GenZ is turning 23, by some definitions 21

I believe that straight people mostly fake it out. Just because of religious constraints and “how my family will judge me” are why so many men are unhappy with women and in return, their sexuality. A great amount of men are gay — they just choose to fake it out their whole lives.

R11 That is bullshit. Most people are straight.

[quote]R56: Bisexuality is more accepted now so men are willing to explore their inherit same sex attraction.

Oh, dear.

Inherent

Alors on danse

Just what we needed, more queenie bottoms...

"It's not only girls anymore, a ton of guys are openly bisexual too"

Mmmmmm......no

[quote]R45 Bisexuality is like alien life.

Is it really that scary??

I’m only into bi and mostly straight bros

[quote]R104 The oldest GenZ is turning 23, by some definitions 21

#iStandWithThem

Pansexual

Social media bi

They’re not.

This Russian twink is in dangerous territory with this type of vids. His account was just restored after he got banned probably ordered from the Gulag.

Fine AF

Cutie

Sexy

No labels bro

[quote]Why are so many gen z bisexual?

Because they are 20 years old! No one knows fuck about themselves at that point. Round them all up by ten years and you’ll see heteronormative square men and women all through them, just like counterculture boomers started out hippies and later because Wall Street lawyers

Not really r123. This is much different, as researchers note.

Mass thirst

It’s called pink money.

Boner Alert 🚨

Everyone is bisexual. Except Bruce.

Bruce?

Bisexual, not biromantic

Keeping their options open?

Apparently sex rates have plummeted for guys as a whole (though the ones getting sex are getting more) Which makes sense with hookup apps, social media, online dating.

R129. Yea, bruce. That one. We all know one.

Meme

I wonder if the current wave of sexual fluidity we're experiencing might have happened in the mid 1980's if AIDS hadn't slowed the progress of acceptance of homosexuality and bisexuality. It certainly seems like that's where things were headed until AIDS became associated with non-heterosexual sex, and pushed people back in the closet or away from their true sexuality.

I don't believe everyone is as fluid as they say. Not that no one is; fluidity probably has increased overall, but not as much as it might seem. Kids on social media in this day and age - if they fuck girls, but think a guy at school is cute (or turn that around) - they're bisexual .

[quote]Apparently sex rates have plummeted for guys as a whole (though the ones getting sex are getting more) Which makes sense with hookup apps, social media, online dating.

I read that study or at least a study on it.

It came down to, young men and women drink less than they previously did so the rate dropped for both groups. Men also play more computer games and live at home with their parents longer. Student debt and financial insecurity didn't play a role. Women who use the internet a lot actually had more casual sex than women who didn't.

Gen Z's parents are Gen X and Older Millennials and I think that plays a huge role in how they have grown to be more open about their sexuality. Both groups grew up in a time where people were pushing for more acceptance. They didn't have Billy Crystal on Soap. We had Ricky on My So Called Life, LGBT clubs in school, A Shot at Love with bisexual Tila Tequila, and Will & Grace. All of that had to make an impression. Gen Z gets to grow up with gay marriage, gay apps and Pride sales from Nike. I'm sure things are terrible in some parts of the country but things are improving from a few decades ago.

My nieces and nephews have a cousin who came out as gay. My aunt whispered it to them since she saw it on Facebook. One asked her, "Why are you whispering?" My niece said, "He's gay? Oh." Then they went back to talking about whatever random show they were talking about. They have gay and bi friends at school. They see people on TV. Their moms and dads don't care because they were already prepared for it from seeing it beginning to be brought out more into the open growing up.

R23 is ancient

These are kids just playing around and having a quick joke.

Seven of them have already been taken down.

They are fickle and not to be trusted.

Not bi, Homiesexual or Brosexual

Some of it is a fad. A guy jerks off with a buddy and now he's bi or pan or whatever.

It doesn't even count unless they're capable of sustaining long-term romantic and sexual relationships with both women and men. There are tons of men and boys who will (gladly) mess around with the same sex, but those who are able to go beyond that with both sexes are relatively rare (women, of course, are a different story).

That’s garbage. Being bisexual or homiesexual or mostly straight does not depend upon ability or preference for romantic relationships. It’s defined by sexual attraction, including sexual attraction that one may never act upon. The majority of mostly straight, homiesexual, and bisexual men will never have a committed relationship with another men. They still aren’t straight or totally straight

R1 It's the opposite for lesbians. The fat ugly ones are the real deal. The pretty fit ones are in it for clout.

Bi Panic

Israel

[Quote] The majority of mostly straight, homiesexual, and bisexual men will never have a committed relationship with another men.

Like homosexuals then.

Hehe good one

It’s like being back in the Roman Empire times everyone iis fucking everyone.

People are more open about their sexual attractions, but there is much less actual sex

Because being gay isn't woke enough for them. You have to be open and fluid to all ~experiences for gen Z to take you seriously. Notice how a vast majority (85%+) of bisexual women are in heterosexual relationships. A lot of these bisexual men and women will never be caught dead with the same sex. Being straight or flat out gay isn't cool anymore.

I have to laugh when old gays mirror old straights ("Oh, everyone's X to be fashionable!").

R150, it’s the opposite of wokemess. Most guys want to avoid identifying as “gay” because they associate it with being uncool or unmanly. Hence, they embrace alternative identities that allow them to express same-sex interest without taking on the crippling baggage and stigma of gay male identity.

Nah. It's more about maintaining female interest.

Grindr

Get outta your bubble OP! Homophobia's never been the problem for rich White cisgender identifying males that it's been for everyone else.

Everyone else has always been fucked by a homo-hating society which STILL discriminates and bashes gay/bi people.

The tick-tock attention whores will do anything to drive traffic to their pages! Those freak shows don't represent the masses. All are exploiting homosexuality and many are likely not even gay/bi.

I don't believe the younger generation is any more accepting than their parents. They are just more "tolerant." There is a difference.

R154 lol

There are not more bisexuals- there are fewer closeted homo- and bi- sexual. While we have a way to go, things have gotten easier for the non straight.

Whoa

Bi muslims

R159, I was excited until those words appeared to come out of his mouth.

As always, the freudian trolls never disappoints in such threads.

Also, women who avoid "bi" men are queens and have self-respect.

Cute

Legs wide open bro

Stop posting TikTok links.

Because gay and bi guys are far more prone to become TikTok attention whores than straight guys OP

Nothing to do with Gen Z or there being a lot more bisexuals.

That’s a fanciful lie

This is a mix of people.

Some are gay (putting their pinky toe outside the closet - fully prepared to say "it was just a joke" if needed).

Some are clearly not gay.

I don't believe ANY of these guys are bi. BTW, are guys really still trying to say "Bisexual" is a thing? Are we still believing that shit? Really?

One thing is clear - they are all attention whores and using the "I may be gay" as a way to generate discussion & traffic to their pages!

It's working! So they will keep doing it!

The Kiss or Slap bro

R167 is so ignorant. Bisexual and mostly straight identity and behavior has skyrocketed over the last decade. In fact, many current surveys show more males identify as bi or mostly straight than gay.

R169 Are you serious right now? "Mostly straight?" What the fuck is that? LOL Do you realize how stupid you sound right now?

You are either sucking dick or you aint! This aint complicated.

You must be young. The earth has been populated for millions of years. We don't need new terms & phrases. Just admit you're a homosexual. You may still do other things too and that's cool, but you're gay. There is nothing wrong with that. Accept it.

Try telling the a young woman and her parents that you want to marry her and you're "mostly straight!"

They'd throw your looney ass out faster than Uncle Phil threw Jazzy Jeff out on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air! LOL

R170 is so very ignorant and outdated

I read that as Gen Z and bestiality (shudder). And no, most of them are not bi, they're just attention whores.

More hot, masculine athletic dudes available is a great thing! These are awesome times

Oh, the stink of the sad, jealous rage coming off this thread.

Come to terms with it Eldergays: the world is better now (in some ways), these kids are sincere, and they are definitely happier than you were at their age. I'm sorry your own youths were so awful, but at least try and take some kind of grandfatherly pride in society's progress.

Gay adjacent

R171, you can call yourself whatever you want, but if you are a man taking another man's cock in your mouth, you are Gay Gay Gay! LOL

‘Gay adjacent’ sounds like you’re just unwittingly standing next to a gay person in line at the store or sitting next to them on the subway..

“ [R171], you can call yourself whatever you want, but if you are a man taking another man's cock in your mouth, you are Gay Gay Gay! LOL”

What if you never want to suck Dick, never have, and never will? What if you ONLY liked to be sucked by dudes?

Dominican

Love the hot pan dudes

[Quote]What if you never want to suck Dick, never have, and never will? What if you ONLY liked to be sucked by dudes?

It is the same thing. If you are attracted enough to have sex with another dude, you are gay.

I want all you new fangled people thinking you have come up with something new to look up the definition of "homosexual."

That's what you are. You may not want to be, but you are. You may want to rename it, but that is what it is.

Things get renamed and parsed all the time

R182 And it changes nothing. All these knew names are inconsistent with GAY pride. Be who you are and be proud.

Not really. They are being who they are. Sorry that upsets you dude

Personally I take no issue with horny young guys getting it on and telling the world all the wet messy details—I think it’s hot.

It’s the way these wains have to turn it into a suddenly-important personal crusade for identity while pretending an enormous historied homoerotic/romantic culture doesn’t already exist having nothing to do with them that irks. You can tell these ignorant slutty hormonal himbos have never actually picked up a history book or read a novel or seen a play with m/m content.

Huh ?

[quote] you can call yourself whatever you want, but if you are a man taking another man's cock in your mouth, you are Gay Gay Gay!

R176 None of these millennials doing their one-joke little Tik-Toks are shown taking a man's cock in their mouth nor touching one nor showing one.

Claiming bisexuality is becoming like another box that kids feel they have to tick in order to be "edgy", without actually doing anything that involves, well, sex with other people. My straight friends have a son and a daughter who claim to be bi (20 & 18). Both have never been out on an actual date, kissed anyone and can't even even look someone in the eye while they're talking to them. I can't imagine how crap they're going to be as sexual partners one day.

So? Your ignorance about the definition of bisexuality is on full display here

Nah but your denial and/or ignorance is on full display R189

Naw dude

Pan

Media brainwashing!

More!

Fine ass bro

No. They are just self centered attention whores who like more people to comment on their thirst traps. Most of them are just straight guys who like the adulation.

Mostly straight bros are hot, and are most of the dudes I mess around with

It's the same as it ever was. They just might be more open about it than their grandfathers. The amateur pron sites are chockful of videos "married bear cums over to get his ass plowed".

Baseball fan

I get it that a lot of gay guys wanna feel "normal" in a heterosexual world that calls you a freak.

But sucking a guys cock who also sleeps with women (while it may make you feel straight-adjacent) does not make him any more straight than it makes you "normal" in a heterosexual world.

Seems like the bi guys on tiktok are either mostly gay or mostly straight. Some of the guys who claim to be bi only date women, and some only date men. I think the 90 % straight bi guys claim to be bi because they want to see more woke, and they want attention. The 90 % gay bi guys claim to be bi because bi men are more accepted than gay men, and the fantasy for some of the fangirls will still be alive.

You realize being bi doesn’t mean you’re equally attracted to both sexes or necessarily open to being in romantic relationships with both sexes? Most bi people are more attracted to one sex than the other, or more willing to be in committed relationships with one sex than the other. In fact, most bi guys tend to only date women, but acknowledge samesex attractions to some males. Many bi people have never had sex with the samesex, despite attractions. It’s 2021. You should already know these basic facts about bisexuality.

R202 True. And many bi guys love using gay men for sex, yet only officially date and marry women.

And a huge number of gay men lust over and pursue bi and straight-identified men. So many gay men only want straight and bi men.

The exact same things were being said about Gen Y/Millennial—“they’re all bi for attention and because they’re sluts!”. In fact feel like older people have been saying this about young people since the 1960s at least.

Actually I feel like more current teens & college kids identify as ‘trans’, ‘asexual’ or ‘pan’ than bi.

After all, bi is so passé, like something their babysitters or older cousins would have called themselves.

R202 It’s 2021 and you do not know the basic fact that male sexuality is mostly bimodal between heterosexuality and homosexuality? Please educate yourself:

“Rather, most bisexual men appeared homosexual with respect to genital arousal, although some appeared heterosexual. In contrast, their subjective sexual arousal did conform to a bisexual pattern. Male bisexuality appears primarily to represent a style of INTERPRETING or REPORTING sexual arousal rather than a distinct pattern of genital sexual arousal.”

In other words: Male bisexuality is for show in most cases.

R205 It’s called “transitional bisexuality” and serves as a cover up for gay men while they are still figuring themselves out. Please look it up.

R206, you think contrary what the current scientific polling and surveys on the topic

R206, you think contrary to what the current scientific polling and surveys on the topic

R207, the article cited has to be considered in the full context of recent studies, not considered a last word.

Wishing that human sexuality follows one's biases or declaring it to be so while ignorant of what the research actually says is as fascist as Trumpians. Barking what year it is does not prove anything; sequential or temporal biases reflect bad reasoning and false conclusions.

Many papers on these subjects are based on less-than-robust designs, tainting some results. Larger studies have noted both comparable physical responsiveness among self-identified bisexual men to heterosexual media (FM, FF and FFM) and homosexual media (MM) and a differential response among self-identifying bisexual men.

Bisexual men exist. Research does not indicate anything as simple as bisexuality in men generally being a station on the route to homosexual acceptance. Subjective and/or cultural factors may affect bisexual expression (of course). For samples studied, bisexuality appears to be an individuated node in the complex of human sexuality.

R199…why did I find that hot?

MMA fighter can’t wait for his future man to hold his championship belt for him.

[quote] And boomers and Gen X keep asking why why why on every bloody issue. Sometimes you don't have to understand every thing, nan.

Nope. Gen Xers know why. It is because they are attention seeking whores who are hooked on social media. Nothing enigmatic about it.

I love it!

None of these kids claiming to be "bi" won't be doing so in ten years.

1. They will have lost interest and be with their girlfriends.

2. Someone will invent a new label.

3. The 'bi' label belongs back in the days of Alfred KInsey.

R211 cute claims. Then why don't you show us the receipt?

Meme

I think it is more common for men identifying as bisexual who marry women end up cheating with men or getting divorced to be "gay."

Far too often men call themselves "bisexual" because they can't admit to themselves (and often to others) that they are in fact "gay."

No white dudes

They are 'queer' porn addicts whose sexuality has been deformed from growing up in a debased and dying culture.

I just think Gen Z is more open about their bisexuality. I've hooked up with a lot of married men over the years, most of them were away from home and just playing around so they were very cautious about their identities.

R222 That's actually not new and not specific to Gen Z. It's called being on the downlow.

R219, I used to know a C-list actress in Hollywood who divorced her ex-husband after he came out to her as bisexual. However, from what I observed, the ex-husband was only in relationships with women afterward. Also, he was very straight acting.

You should get some reading comprehension skills, r223. I just stated that Gen Z seems to be more open about their bisexuality.

R222 is amoral

Gay guys love DL dudes

R207/R217, you're the sniveling snipe who is playing all your jokers in your bigotry.

You try proving something other than your varied impotences, Mme. Cunt.

R228 Loosing your cool, I see, lol. Again cute assumptions but nothing to back up - that's your signature for sure ;-)

Stop 🛑

Bi introvert

Kyoto

Frat

Brandon Ortega

Beautiful

R225 Get some communication skills. I quoted what you wrote... can you even read? What you described IS the "Downlow" google it and learn some gay history while you're at it. That is not a new thing. You ignorant twit!!!

Oh snap

Conversion

Zach Dodson

When I was a young guy. so many other guys had acne and ugly braces, they didn't whiten their teeth or color their hair, they had monobrows, ugly clothes and hairstyles, and they didn't work out. Today guys are so cute and they tend to be more narcissistic, no wonder they're more attracted to each other.

Thot stuff

Inked

R240 what kinda trolls were you hanging around with in high school? lol There have always been beautiful guys with nice physiques and big bulges in every era. the jocks, for example, at my school were hot - especially the seniors. Who cares about clothes and hairstyles? Attraction is not based on that stuff. I don't even care about that stuff now. If he's hot, he's hot.

These young guys kissing and touching all over each other are trying to be edgy and push envelopes. Young people have always tried to be edgy. Some are probably not gay (kissing a guy doesn't make you gay), but most of them probably are gay. Straight guys are about as interested in doing these kinds of tiktoks as most gay men are interested in "wasting" an entire afternoon (and part of the evening) at a sporting event.

This is less about bi-sexuality and more about all of these young people being... young! I wouldn't read too much into this behavior.

This guy would always say he's straight when someone asked him if he was bi or gay. Now he has a boyfriend...

Its just an easy identity in their cohort's zeitgeist. Maybe there are a few more bisexuals. A FEW. Most of those kids are straight, and few are gay. Most of the young teen boys claiming to be bisexual will end up gay. Gay guys used to be "bi" in college and their 20s. Now they can identify as "bi" at 12 and nobody cares.

r11 "Heterosexuality is the norm set by society, but it's not the human norm. A majority of people who call themselves straight are in the spectrum of bisexuality."

Heterosexuality is the norm set by biology, dumbass. Most people are heterosexual and have zero attraction to same sex couplings. Imagine questioning gay guys for lusting after other men or for not being attracted to trans or women. Heterosexuals DO exists and are the majority.

Regarding gen z, they are a bunch of deranged poseurs and everything that comes out of their mouths is crap.

Angel Garcia

Bisexuals of every preceding age group are the most likely group to be in the closet. Here, you've got all the bisexuals coming out and not feeling stigma about it.

R246 Thank you for saying that. Some on DL need a wake up call.

Many gays are obsessed with the number of gays there are as if that's a way to get mainstream society to acknowledge or approve of them. "Oh see, we're gaining on them." STOP it! You don't need that! Heterosexuals are in the majority. PERIOD! Accept that.

But also understand that the numbers are really irrelevant.

Homosexuals are in the minority world-wide, but in the majority at a gay pride parade. Black and Brown people are in the minority in the United States but they make up the majority of the world! Nobody with a functioning brain is suggesting that the color of someone's skin (or color of their eyes or hair) effects their status as a human being based on the number of them in a particular location.

The number of gays in the world should not impact your self worth.

Heterosexuality is normal. Homosexuality is also "normal." Stop worrying about numbers and just be YOU!

Fine

Gabe

It's a fact that all hot guys secretly crave other hot guys. The ones who think they are straight are just repressed, poor guys.

Hehe

For anyone like me who only clicked on the link because of the guy in OP's pic, the timestamp on the video is 6:58.

They are accepting of bisexuality the same way you eldergays are always on here praising any black person.

Two best friends

R255 are you suggesting that many of the elder gays are racist? [Clutching reams of pearls and pretending to be shocked!!!]

Teacher

Cody gene

Its "trendy" that's why. Its the "in" thing now. Check back with all of these kids in 10 years and you will find the vast majority happily married to a member of the opposite sex.

So? Being married to the opposite sex Doesn’t mean someone isn’t bisexual. Duh

In my book, being married to opposite sex for most of ones life means one is likely hetero. A guy doing a bit of gay stuff in his youth doesn't make him bisexual, it makes him a trendster. That's it.

[quote] what kinda trolls were you hanging around with in high school? lol There have always been beautiful guys with nice physiques and big bulges in every era. the jocks, for example, at my school were hot - especially the seniors. Who cares about clothes and hairstyles? Attraction is not based on that stuff. I don't even care about that stuff now. If he's hot, he's hot.

I guess it's hard to explain. You're talking about being gay. This thread is about why there seems to be more bisexuality these days. Maybe some bi guys are a little different. (I'm bi.) Today guys are a bit more feminized. They take better care of themselves, their skin, their hair, their clothes, their bodies. A guy who's attracted to women might be more attracted to guys who smell better, dress better, have better skin, etc., because they're closer to what a guy is attracted to in a woman. Get it, now? The more feminized straight guys get, the more they would be likely be attracted to each other.

R262, you have a weird mind

R263, that might partly explain the rise in mostly straight or bu guys. But the majority of mostly straight males I know and have encountered aren’t exactly expressing interest in fem or girly guys. I think the male aesthetics and fitness model culture has really made appreciation for the male physique more prevalent and prominent. Guys are openly appreciating each others’ physiques in a way that is very often erotic. Social media is making men complimenting each others’ looks and desirability mainstream and popular. And part of this is not only male appreciation for huge biceps and ripped abs, but also for huge glutes, aka, bubble butts. Male aesthetics is not only narcissistic; it’s also intensely erotic.

There was a tik tok vid about male bisexuality being real and the comments mostly consist of bisexual males that preferred females and females dating or married to bisexual males.

R265 Yeah I'm not denying that's also probably true. But part of what I see with young guys on social media (including influencers) is pretty boys, and there are several Tik Toks on this thread attesting to that. Young guys are painting their nails, wearing pearls, and posing seductively in "feminine" ways.

R267, I guess it depends upon your personal algorithm. My social media is full on ultrajacked jocks and muscle dudes being adored by mostly other males who usually don’t identify as gay.

I think many young people are just looking for an ‘edge’ or a way to be *~*different*~* now that a lot of subcultures are mainstream and the online world (incl. TikTok) has created really big communities. It’s currently a bit uncool to be a basic straight white person, and many are either looking for something to be oppressed about, or are just a little embarrassed to belong to that ‘status quo’ group that has maligned other groups for centuries.

As a bi man (mid 30s) who has had relationships with both men and women, what I would tell these kids is that it’s probably quite far from the fun, flirty tik tok trend to ACTUALLY be a bi man. Gay men don’t particularly want you (unless they are just coming out and attracted to your ‘straightness’ lol), and the straight women are even more repulsed by the fact that you’ve had any gay activity, despite how progressive they purport to be. You may end up getting less of both pools, than you would if you were just gay/straight.

Playing ‘dress up’ is fun when you’re young, and this is mostly just attention seekers trying to look hot and boost engagement on Tik Tok (more likely to make gay/bi viewers check their tik toks out), so I give it a pass.

[quote]As a bi man (mid 30s) who has had relationships with both men and women, what I would tell these kids is that it’s probably quite far from the fun, flirty tik tok trend to ACTUALLY be a bi man. Gay men don’t particularly want you (unless they are just coming out and attracted to your ‘straightness’ lol), and the straight women are even more repulsed by the fact that you’ve had any gay activity, despite how progressive they purport to be. You may end up getting less of both pools, than you would if you were just gay/straight.

As an older bi man, I'm confirming this. This is exactly how it is.

I laigh when I read complaints about 'biphobia' on Datalounge. Straight women in general are way more 'biphobic' than anyone here could be; they do NOT want a down-low husband.

Why are DLers much more biphobic than gay men in the real world? Older, more bitter? On dating sites, bi men are highly sought after by gay men.

Dating.... sites? I believe we use apps in 2021.

Nasty bro

[Quote]A guy who's attracted to women might be more attracted to guys who smell better, dress better, have better skin, etc., because they're closer to what a guy is attracted to in a woman. Get it, now? The more feminized straight guys get, the more they would be likely be attracted to each other.

R263 No, I don't get it. In my experience [and everyone I know] that is not how attraction works. It doesn't matter how much hair spray or cologne he uses or how tight his pants are, "straight guys" are not sexually attracted to guys no matter how feminized they are. There is a huge difference between a woman and a feminized man. Hence the whole "straight" thing.

Just like gay men are not attracted to women no matter how butch she is. Hence the whole "gay" thing. LOL You are in fantasyland man. If a gay man wants the world to accept him as a gay man then he's gotta accept straight men as being straight. A gay man wants a man and a straight man wants a woman. Bisexuality [though it is more complicated] means you are attracted to men and women.

But understand, if you are bisexual, "straight" dudes don't want you. They want women.

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[Quote]I guess it's hard to explain. You're talking about being gay. This thread is about why there seems to be more bisexuality these days. Maybe some bi guys are a little different. (I'm bi.) Today guys are a bit more feminized.

Each generation thinks they have come up with something new. LOL But there have always been gay, bi and straight people. Despite the media's attempts to confuse things, there are only two sex organs. You either like dicks or pussies or both. How you dress it up is your choice. Those are the options though, but I digress.

Bisexuality is more complicated because for the general public there is no difference between bisexuality and homosexuality.

Historically, people could not be openly gay or bi. They had lifelong "roommates" or were "confirmed bachelors." Then some homosexuals evolved and began saying they were bisexual because it was deemed easier for society to accept. But even today where more people accept bisexuality as a thing, many gays will date bisexuals, many women will not. They see that as gay.

So when you say you are bisexual, a lot of people are gonna just say you are gay. With "straight" as the default and "gay" as the aberration, nobody cares about the straight side. They only care about the part of you that wants to suck dick. Do I think more guys wanna suck a dick because they like that their buddy smells like "Irish Spring" when he gets outta the shower? LOL No!

My point is that gay and bisexuals have always been around. There are not more of them now. The internet just makes everything more visible. No one is alone anymore. Whatever your group is, you can find them more easily by going online.

Tik Tok , FB and YouTube are not cranking out or turning more guys gay or bi. They are just making some more visible. BUT you have some straight guys who are just there to entertain their largely gay male following. Same thing happens in Hollywood. You're not gonna see many A list actors say anything bad about LGBTQ because those are often their most vocal fans (or critics).

There has always been a myth that gays and bisexuals dress better and take better care of themselves than straight men. I think that is very person specific and is not true across the board. But every generation has had men like this. Even during WWII when our great grandfather's talked about the standard to get ready for a date being to "shower, shit and shave," there were always men that did a little more. LOL

The bottom line is that you shouldn't confuse enlightenment with recruitment. LOL We are a full generation past the beginning of the AIDS crisis and lots of work by gay rights groups which has raised awareness of homosexual humanity. Thank those pioneers who went before us (and the elder gays) for educating the world!

This raised awareness and technology has made homosexuality (and collaterally bisexuality) more palatable to society. But none of that is not gonna create more of them and that isn't gonna make "Straight" men want you.

Young people are freer about admiring each other, supporting each other's sexual preferences, and being on trend with the whole LGBTQ movement (and maybe flirting with it to be "cool") but don't be deceived, men taking good care of themselves and being goofy on the internet doesn't mean they're trying to sleep with their male friends. They're mostly just being young. 🙄

They call themselves bi or pan to get a foot in the door of LGBT discussions, but the vast majority will never date, fuck or marry the same sex. Chickenshits.

R277 Very true.

Young people are always dong something to make older generation uncomfortable. Previous things included, rock and roll music, interracial dating, doing drugs, long hair, rap music. This gender "fluidity' is the latest trend. Once it dies down they will move onto the next trend.

The same hippies running around with long hair and doing drugs grew up to put on three piece suits and drive BMWs. The more things change the more they stay the same. No. Bisexuality is not a new thing. No. The percentage of gay and Bisexual people in the world has not changed. While these social media platforms can expose it, they can't control it. People are what they are.

[quote] [R263] No, I don't get it. In my experience [and everyone I know] that is not how attraction works. It doesn't matter how much hair spray or cologne he uses or how tight his pants are, "straight guys" are not sexually attracted to guys no matter how feminized they are. There is a huge difference between a woman and a feminized man. Hence the whole "straight" thing.

Oh, that's right, straight people never have same sex experiences or are ever attracted to the same sex.

R279 is making a valid point. The mostly straight category reflects that many straight men are sometimes attracted to other men, albeit infrequently

R279 Well DUH! Of course straight people don't have sex with same sex or have same sex attraction. That is why they are "Straight."

The homosexual (or bisexual experience) is not unique, but it is YOURS. Everyone does not share it.

Why is it that certain homosexuals are determined to claim everybody is at least a little bit gay? Does that make it ok in your mind to think "well everyone is this way?" NO! They aren't.

Everybody is not gay. You're not sick to be gay or have "Gay feelings." That is normal, but everyone doesn't have them. You're sick for trying to project your orientation onto everyone else. That is not normal. It is ok to be gay. Stop looking for mainstream assurances or approvals.

R280. Straight means straight. What is it you fail to comprehend about that?

Besides why do you care if some "straight" guy in Bumfuck North Dakota has a fleeting thought about m2m sex? So what? They have probably think about fucking the sheep & the dog too. What does that do for you? Does that make you feel better about being gay? LOL

You gay men and your obsession with straight men and what they think about is crazy. Calling Dr. Freud, calling Dr. Freud! LOL

We are utterly devoted to straight men. Gay men repulse us.

[quote]Of course straight people don't have sex with same sex or have same sex attraction. That is why they are "Straight."

This first line of this thread literally says "Why are so many Gen Z bisexual?" If we're operating on that assumption at all, then there must be a reason why more Gen Z people are saying they're bisexual, or have same-sex attractions or relations. Are the people being referred to seen as formerly straight? Or were they born bisexual? Are there more bisexuals being born in the Gen Z era? If so, why? And if not, then why are more STRAIGHT people turning to bisexuality as a choice? I believe those are the questions this thread is posing.

R283, I know you are being sarcastic from a personal standpoint, but what is really ironic about gay men's obsession with straight men is that most straight men are repulsed by gay men.

So this obsession comes from a place of self-hate starving for the straight man's approval and plays out in a destructive self-fulfilling prophecy.

Many gay men seem to never be ok with just having a straight guy as an ally and friend. They gotta go the extra step of trying to sleep with them. This is what makes many straight men repulsed by gays. These assholes and their obsessions really do everyone a disservice with being so gauche. It's sick!

NeoStraight Movement

[quote]Many gay men seem to never be ok with just having a straight guy as an ally and friend. They gotta go the extra step of trying to sleep with them.

Hogwash!

[quote]My social media is full on ultrajacked jocks and muscle dudes being adored by mostly other males who usually don’t identify as gay.

R268 But are these Gen Z-ers identifying as bisexual? Most of the Gen Z actors (for example) currently coming out as "queer" or gender fluid or bi or whatever are the less-than-macho pretty boys or vaguely feminine, not-too-masc guys.

R284 Stop cherrypicking.

A whole series of questions are being addressed in this thread.

My response was specifically in response to someone talking about same sex attractions and experiences. By definition that makes your orientation at least bi-sexual (if not totally gay).

You seem to be glossing over the "other" question asked by the OP which really is driving this discussion:

[Quote]Are we seeing a shift in acceptance?

For people who claim to be proudly gay or bisexual a lot of you seem very ashamed of it if you have to pretend straight guys are interested in you for you to accept yourself. That is not how it works. If he is straight, he doesn't want you. He is not attracted to you. Face facts.

It is ok for you to be gay or bi. There are plenty of masculine gay and bi men for you to have sex with. It's ok. Really, it is. LOL

BiTok

R285 Nice homophobic rant there cunt, like str8 men are any different. All men are the same str8 and gay, no need to single us out. And lol if you think we want to sleep with a str8 guy just because he's str8. Cunt please we have standards

R287

I am not seeing your point or why you attached that thread. It has nothing to do with my statement which you quoted. People flirt everyday all day long with people, not knowing their orientation. It gets a variety of responses but the vast majority people are flattered by someone flirting.

But that was not what you quoted from me.

My statement specifically deals with gay men trying to sleep with straight allies/friends. If a straight man is your friend then obviously you know he is straight. Why would you come onto your friend by touching and trying to kiss him etc? Why would you put him in the uncomfortable position of crossing that line and trying to sleep with him? It is a violation of trust. I think he would be repulsed not only by you coming onto him but even more by you're violating your relationship and disregarding his stated interest.

Straight men don't want you! Get that through your thick head. Trying to "get them" is only gonna make them resent you.

R291 you ignorant CUNT! LOL

I had to read your statement twice because you can't communicate clearly. Work on your writing skills honey because they are atrocious!

You need only to just read a few DL threads to realize that the "straight" man is the holy grail of the homosexual experience for a lot of dumb fuckers on DL.

Getting a straight man's cock in your mouth is the equivalent of a fat ugly straight guy pulling a skinny blonde with big tits. You are gonna slobber all over that penis. Gay men worship at the alter of straight men (most of whom couldn't give a shit whether you live or die).

The truth is straight men are not having sex with gay men. The adoration is one way. You seem angry because you think you are the exception huh? You are pulling "straight men?" LOL Those are not straight men. Wake up Bitch!

Someone here doesn’t realize the basic reality that many flirt for sport, for an ego boost. Many gay men flirt with women because it is fun and makes them feel desired and attractive. All groups do the same

Bisexual men exist, but there's a whole lot of gay men going down the bi/pan pipeline to remain open to women for their fans. I suspect we will see Mendez coming out as queer/fluid within the next 5 years. When gay as a label is back en vogue, they will all switch over.

R293 You sound like a raving lunatic, posting an idiotic paragraph. Take your pills loony cunt. And only self loathing fags are obsessed with straight men. You're most likely one of them. Sad ancient elder queen.

R296 The bitter OLD straight cock worshipping queen is you! I don't know what has you so angry. Is it that I am forcing you to recognize that straight men don't want you?

I'm pretty sure you get with your circle of other old useless bitter queens and high five about the "straight dick" you had last night. And of course the "Gay" man you sucked played along because he doesn't give a shit about you. He's not gonna tell you any different. He'll let you fantasize since he knows he'll never see your crazy ass again! LOL

Why is someone trying to convince gay men straight men don't want them? Who's arguing that they do? Your assumptions make very little sense. Are you drunk? This thread is not about that. You glommed onto this issue by misinterpreting some post or other. This is supposed to be about why Gen Z seems to have more bisexuals.

R298 Your bitch ass quoted me outta context! So don't fucking cry oppression now. Know what the fuck you are talking about before you jump into a discussion you stupid CUNT! LOL

R299 No one is crying oppression. You're seriously loony tunes.

Fine AF 🔥

R293 = Types unhinged.

R300 The Looniest of the Toons is indeed, YOU! HAHAHAHA!

R302 is pathetic!

Stop it

Nah, let's let this play out and see where it goes. At least it's not a series of boring Tik Tok links.

More hot TikToks!

You're the only one posting them, buddy... Everyone else scrolls right by them. Ever notice how very few of them get W&Ws?

Yes, there are a lot of oldheads here, but it doesn’t have to stay that way yo

Well, it's clear that DL's younger posters aren't responding to those links either. Too bad, so sad.

How many DLers are “younger”? 8 percent?

R305 Go away!

Younger than what, R311? It only takes one to give your Tik Tok posts a W&W or a response, neither of which happens, clearly, in any sort of consistent basis.

But good luck in your crusade to make Datalounge into TikTokLounge. Everyone needs a hobby, BRO.

At the club

Polo from the 305

Jose Antonio

[quote]Do they think it makes them more attractive or woke or whatever? We all know gay men worship straight men, so it's probably the same with bi guys.

Pretty much. Gay is bad to them. They don't think gay means dick for dick like it should, they think it means stereotype. That's probably why all the guys who identify as gay now are embarrassments 99% of the time.

Huh 🤔

R260 It's the invincibility of the young and pretty.

I had no idea so many straight guys are desperately curious to know how to kiss their guy friends on the lips without looking gay until I read this comment section.

Cutie

By himself

i only have gay sex with 100% hetero gen z guys... the key is never making eye contact!

I only like muscled homiesexual bros

There have always been gay men who cannot (for as many reasons as there are men) acknowledge being gay. This is not generational.

They can call themselves whatever they want as long as their dicks goes in the hole! LOL

Naw this is special

Anyway my broskies

Black bi dudes are having a moment

They are gay, OP. Calling themselves bi makes them trendy and cool, so they think.

I learned the phrase “bi cunt” from DL and I love it.

I really love vibin with Mostly Straight guys. I’m kicking it with this very hot dude who has never had sex with a guy but says he finds elite hot guys attractive. He doesn’t want to have sex with guys but is open to making out. He is the best kisser I have ever experienced.

A hole is a hole.

No, looks matter

Star fuckers don't care what gender they are spreading their legs for.

R329 Yup! It is the 1950s version of a "confirmed bachelor" in his 40s with a male "roommate."

Nope, they have girlfriends and wives

And baby mamas. Plural.

My stepsons are Gen Z and are super straight—at least as far as I know—but super open minded. A lot of their female friends are “fluid” or bi, and they have even had some guy friends who have openly dabbled with guys. My stepsons aren’t bothered by it. They have a couple of guy friends who have have come out as totally gay. I wasn’t surprised about either of them. I clocked that when they were kids! Another kid is now transitioning to female. That one did take me by surprise.

Location?

Dance

I think some of those TikToks are just queer baiting for money. I bet all those guys have their Cash App listed somewhere and Amazon Wish Lists.

As king as they are hot

All these supposedly bi guys looks incredible gay….

Baseball player

R343

I don't think these TikTok guys are incredibly gay. They are probably just regular gay...

If you're in a college or upscale urban area, you'll see a lot of guys claim to be bisexual or queer (even if they're not). If you're in a blue-collar urban or rural or suburban area, not so much... TikTok is not reality, it's basically the online version of a high school popularity contest, no substance, all show.

The bi gaze

Looks like Charlie Puth's little brother

R347 Does lip synching on your porch with no shirt mean he is bi or gay?

C'mon fellows a lot of you are reaching with this theory that all these young guys are bi or gay. They are just having fun. Is it their fault that you and others openly lust after them? That is not new.😁

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R348 He'd certainly get laid in WeHo.

Much hotter than Puth

Puth should definitely fuck him.

It must be liberating to have so much self-confidence. We do reward pretty white boys quite well.

I thought I was quite full of myself in my glory days but these boys make me look like a piker ! Id sell my soul to Satan to look like I did at 21 again and have social media at my fingertips. I was quite the slut,but if I had Tinder and the like Id have been THE slut !

Times change

It’s all a fad if you ask me. The cool thing to do nowadays is be queer apparently. God, I was so ahead of my time. 😒

Boss Baby

The only thing I like about TikTok is that the sound is off by default.

R347 Is it like Samson, does he lose his power if his hair is cut?

The first guy on TikTok I really noticed being seductive and provocative on TikTok was Vinnie Hacker. My first thought is he's at least bi because straight guys don't pose in this way - usually it's gay guys or women. But he's straight as far as I know. I think this is a weird trend in a way because at one time guys who considered themselves straight and masc would have considered acting like this to be too narcissistic and fem.

(...And now it's just thoughjt of as a normal way guys are, on social media. Seductive, eye-fucking the camera, touching yourself, etc. It became normalized pretty quickly. lol)

R361 There definitely has been an emergence of the straight man as a sexual object. The idea that an attractive young man might actually earn $$$ just from videos not involving sex has surely helped as well. Which is not to say that guys like R347 wouldn't still get mocked and/or bullied for it in a public school.

This is who the gays on tik tok are recently going nuts over. He has the ultimate twink ideal looks and is 19 but looks younger in the face that twitter even banned him .

R364 Nice body, but the face is basic meh. Scary to think how much ink he'll have in 5 years.

Too young for me

big hands big feet.

R361, times change. Social media has changed the world. Why do people on DL like to cling to old, tired motions and mindsets?

Pesky social media. These pretty white boys are supposed to peak in school and then go sell cars while their gf gets fatter with each of her 5 pregnancies.

R368 Did you mean notions?

I'm not clinging to anything. I'm noting a change over time in behavioral norms. It's just interesting to me. Never said I wanted to return to the past.

I’m sure many researchers are studying how social media has changed culture and society. It’s quite profound

Well I want to return to the past R370 ! the 70s and 80s had their issues no doubt but at least hope was still alive. these last 5 years have been unbearably depressing with no end in sight.

You should use the WayBack Machine.

R354 Cute White guys have a very short shelf life. They look their best between about 18 and 25. That's through college and the 1st job.

And if they are a really pretty White boy during this period then the world is at their feet. They can do no wrong. Jobs/raises/promotions fall in their laps. They can commit crimes. Cheat on women. Be total assholes and everyone says "boys will be boys." They get a total pass!

However after 25 they are no longer the hot fresh idealistic White boy that the world was waiting for. By then there are younger, prettier, fresher White boys that everyone is noticing.

At 25 he's stale. If he hasn't began his hustle (scam) by then (or has family money) then he's gonna have to work a lot harder to get that hustle.

By 25 he's really past his prime. His douchey frat boy behavior is annoying. His ditzy decisions, farts and bad breath are no longer cute. LOL

And the visual signs of aging will be kicking in HARD after 25. Many will start wrinkling, have yellow teeth, receding/balding hair, and effort will be required to keep a physique. If they didn't develop good habits when they were younger chances are they won't start them after 25.

Once White guys start to decline, that drop is RAPID. It's like every 5 years is double time. LOL They drop A LOT faster than any other race.

This is why you have a lot of bitter angry old White Queens. So cut them some slack. They probably weren't always that ugly. LOL

R374 Ohoho, do I see a little frustrated racist. You Americans are crazy, you went from full black hating to white hating, never in the middle.

I used to think I was miserable being born in Balkans. But the more I am on this forum the more I realize how much healthier as a society we are. Ok, everybody knows we were literally slaughtering each other some 30 years ago, but we never enslaved and abused colored people and neither would be such pussies to allow to be spat upon for the white skin color. I mean if you want to offend based on the skin color we can talk differently and not kissing asses of racist assholes no matter their race.

A lot of these guys are ugly in real life. Those lights, angles, filters, hats, and all kind of tricks go a long way.

Uh, colored people???!!!

Kids will be kids. They still don't know what they want, they are exploring and experimenting. That doesn't make them bisexual really. And it is fashionable to say you 're bi if you once held a girl's hand.

More hot bisexuals and mostly straights!

R378 It is really more shocking to use the term color than to enslave, mistreat and kill, uh what is the correct term,... people for centuries. You hypocrites!

I was a cute white boy and at 25 I was just getting started. Looked better at 25 than I did at 18, and even better at 30. It's like this person never saw an attractive white man over 25. lol

R382 He/she is just rabid anti white.

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Some posters here mentioned how women discriminate against bisexuals. You bet I do. Do I want a guy that will crave dick and catch each opportunity to go and chase men. No way!

R387 A straight guy is just as likely to crave someone else's pussy and chase women. If he's that type. Bi people are no more promiscuous than anyone else. There are promiscuous straight people as much as gay or bi people. There are also monogamous people of all orientations. Don't be so ignorant.

Exactly

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Lady on 387 is right. A straight man might be whore, but there is a chance he will be a devoted husband. With a bisexual she will surely get a whore.

R387 Has every right to discriminate in her love life. Everyone does. I just don't like when people are unnecessarily cruel.

"No fats no fems no Blacks, no Asians etc." is just bullshit.

On an app people should say what they are looking for, not what they are "not looking for." I cannot believe we are in 2021 people are still being ignorant and nasty in their dating profiles.

If someone contacts you that you don't want for whatever reason. "No thank you" is the appropriate response.

My question for R387 though is - if you are only into straight men, why are you on DL? You're not likely gonna find any of those on here talking with the "gurls." LOL

R391 Exactly. A bi guy will choose to be with a woman because it's socially more acceptable and easier to live this way, but how long before he starts cruising guys? So, no thanks.

R392 I didn't come here to search for guys, but to chat, because it's an interesting forum.

[quote][R391] Exactly. A bi guy will choose to be with a woman because it's socially more acceptable and easier to live this way, but how long before he starts cruising guys? So, no thanks.

What you're describing is a closeted gay man. Not a bisexual man. They're not the same thing. Unfgortunately, many gays here think they are. They think they know what bisexuality is all about, even though they aren't bisexual - and they don't. Or they think bisexuals are just closeted or confused gays - which they aren't.

*unfortunately

[Quote]He/she is just rabid anti white.

Not at all. R383 I was actually being complimentary.

I never said a White man could not be attractive for his age after 25. I said he is at his peak between 18 and 25. That is usually when he looks his best.

And I am not the first one to ever say that. There is a whole "twink" phenomena. Ever heard of it? LOL

"Some" White guys are really cute in that age range. And while he can do all the working out, get all the face lifts and hair plugs in the world after 25, he is never gonna be that pretty again. And the difference can be quite drastic! You know I'm right.

Stop assuming everything is racist and looking for things to flame about. Geez Louise!

R395 Maybe not closeted but confused and undecided.

R394 You are right about that. It is interesting. LOL

R397 Well, I am afraid it applies to everyone.

R395 Are you a bisexual. If you are didn't mean to offend you.

I meant R392

Bisexuals ARE attracted to women. And men. Hence, "bisexual". If a man is not attracted to women, and uses them to cover for his homosexuality, he's not bisexual. This is not the description of a bisexual.

R397 There are so many movie stars and athletes and other examples of attractive and hot men, WAY over 25, that your whole argument is nonsense.

R403 Ok, maybe I haven't explained it well. Even if a guy is attracted to women and has a relationship with her, how long before he doesn't start wanting to meet guys secretly. There is something hypersexual about these guys. And, of course there is always this doubt that a bisexual man is a gay man in denial. I believe most women have these doubts about bisexuals.

R400 actually it doesn't apply equally to everyone. All the other races have some melanin in their skin so they generally don't wrinkle up as fast. The original comment had to do with shelf life.

R405 Now you prove you are racist. White people don't get wrinkled at 25.

And it's not just about the wrinkles, but the face expression as well. Darker people have firmer skin, but they have rougher features which make them look older. Just as mediteranian nation, they are darker and have thicker skin than nordics, but they look coarser with age.

The Racist is you R406 / R407

[Quote]Darker people have firmer skin, but they have rougher features which make them look older. Just as mediteranian nation, they are darker and have thicker skin than nordics, but they look coarser with age.

Get the fuck outta here! LOL

R404 What you're suggesting is a misunderstanding. Bisexual doesn't always mean you're attracted to men and women at the same time, all the time. If you're in a relationship that makes you happy, with a woman or man, you're not more likely to miss being with the other gender, unless you're *heavily* leaning to that gender all the time. This is what makes a lot of gay and straight people wary of bisexuals. It's a very old misperception, that whichever gender you're with, you will miss being with the other gender, and want to break up/cheat. But it could just as easily happen with the same gender. Every case is actually different, so it's wrong to stereotype.

"All the other races have some melanin in their skin so they generally don't wrinkle up as fast. The original comment had to do with shelf life."

And this is less racist than mine?

Btw, I am mediteranian.

And watch your language.

It's not true that tons of guys identify as bi, but believe what you want. Girls are still significantly more likely to identify as bi

[Quote]And watch your language.

R410 Watch your language mother fucker! What the fuck are you even talking about?

I am talking about science. Go talk to a Doctor about White skin. They will tell you it wrinkles faster - especially if it is in the sun!

Don't blame me because you are fact resistant.

R412 And why does this matter. What are you trying to prove. Why does it matter to you how fast do the white get wrinkles.

I love bicurious men

Cuties

R412 See you are a twink lover. But what about us older wrinkly guys. You would put us to sleep?

I am also into young guys, but the other day I was in the company of this guy who is almost 50. Lean and tall and moderately wrinkly. Ex blonde, now grey, grey eyes. Eloquent, educated. Charmer. An architect. Alas, I think he is straight.

R416 I am not really into twinks. My commentary is simply based on White male beauty as others were addressing a twink on tiktok.

Generally speaking, White men look drastically different as they age. What may have started out pretty is often not pretty for long.

I like good looking men which means I am open to all ages, races and sizes. And There are "some" older White men who are attractive but in my opinion a lot more of them are NOT. Most blondes and red heads are destroyed.

Beauty is subjective and others are free to disagree. That is fine. But the arguing is unnecessary. It is not gonna change my opinion, But to those who want to argue, if it makes you feel good, knock yourself out!

R415 Ah the "desperate to look cool" flipping off in a video never gets old. No doubt their lives have many challenges to overcome.

R368 times changing: obviously gay guys now claim to be queer, pan, bi etc.

R417 I won't force you to like old white guys, but you gained attention by putting the limit on 25 yo. Most of people aren't really wrinkled and bloated at 25. Maybe they lose some freshness of first youth, but it's the same for other races, even with the firmer and thicker skins and bodies. But hey, you don't like what you don't like.

For me, event though you're right that some white guys age horribly, there are some middle aged white guys that have certain easyness, smoothness and elegance that is rare in ther races. Like Daniel Day Lewis, middle aged Jagger, Clooney when he was few years younger. Of black guys Obama had it. Well, to each their own.

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R420, Yes but both of your examples kinda show that honkies don’t age well. They both looked like hell early on.

I think it’s the sun. White people get destroyed by the sun until they look like complete hell by 28. Some make it to 38 but that’s the end of the road for whitey.

Don’t get me started on the blondes with light eyes. They are lucky to make it to 30. And then they look horrible. Many fair blondes hit the wall at 21. I’ve seen it happen at 18. Totally bald. Wrinkles not far behind. I wish I was joking.

R419, but the number of people claiming to identify as gay hasn't gone down, which disputes that theory. The number of people identify as gay AND bi have gone up. Also women are more likely than men to identify as "pansexual" or whatever

R423, depends on the survey or poll. At best, it has plateaued, while bi, fluid, and mostly straight identity have skyrocketed

R423 only if you assume that the number of visible, obviously gay men hasn’t gone up…..Social Media gives these people a kind of publicity that they wouldn’t have been given years ago.

I believe it's called DENIAL.

R422 You are really full of hate for whities honkies. I pity you, because a hater is a sad person. Must have had a horrible life to speak so bitchy about other human beings because of their skin color.

Maybe they are not so ugly, it is just that you don’t have taste.

Everybody speaks about racism on DL, but so far I have noticed more posts of blacks hating whites than the other way around. I know, the history and all, but get a grip guys, time to move on and stop hating on the whole race for the injustice done to you by a small percent of white people in power.

And you R422 only a truly ugly person can say such ugly things as you.

And you white Americans gays are sissies for letting someone insult you and staying mute as a fish.

R429 Girls, Girls - you are BOTH fucking ugly!

No, R422 is fuckin ugly and full of hate, I am not.

R431 Maybe you have your white liberal guilt but I have never done anything wrong to a black person and I won’t take their insults and spitting silently.

R433 The guy is a jealous bitch who, unlike "honkies" couldn't end destroyed cause he already started this way.

Back on topic. I have noticed that Gen Z girls are more likely to claim bisexual or pansexual as well as nonbinary and genderfluid. Gen Z guys are still mostly identified as straight but many have no issue with gays or bisexuals hence the queer baiting among the male social media whores. I think more bisexual men and masculine gays are out now though due to less stigmas.

R435, have you just realized this? Have you missed this conversation and observation over the last decade, since the advent of Instagram? Not to bust your balls, but you said it like it’s breathing news

R436 I don't live on social media and it's something I've just noticed in recent years. Plus this thread got derailed. I really don't see what is your issue anyway.

This account is satire of all the gay pron situations. In this hilarious clip he discussed one of his sexapades in Steve Irwin style.

[quote] I have noticed that Gen Z girls are more likely to claim bisexual or pansexual as well as nonbinary and genderfluid

Because they're annoying little bitches in desperate need of attention!

R438 Does anyone think this flaming homo is bisexual?

I'm pretty sure that astronauts can see his limp wrist and cum-stained teeth from outer space.

R440, I like their step dad and step son skits

R441 The woman's voice at the beginning was weird. Why would she even be there?

R422 You trolling cunt.

30 yo blondie

30 yo guy with superior genes

LOL This thread is hilarious. But you must admit he's got a point about MOST white guys, especially blonds. And r444? True, Tyler the Creator looks a hot mess now. But here's the twist: he'll look exactly the same at 60.

There is no hotter guy than this middle aged white guy from Balkans.

I really don’t find Gen Z guys attractive. I guess I’ve never really been into younger guys, but while millennials got a bad rap, we have nothing on the narcissist Tiktok floppy haired obligatory he/she/them pronoun generation. I’m officially ready for my pipe and slippers.

Darko in his twinkish days

And in his 30s

Beautiful at any age

[quote] But you must admit he's got a point about MOST white guys, especially blonds.

There's a line in All About Eve (1950) spoken by a woman who's turning 40, about her boyfriend: Bill's 32, he looks 32. He looked it five years ago. He'll look it 20 years from now. I hate men.

This was about a white guy. It always gets a laugh because people recognize the truth of it. White guys don't suddenly fall apart at 25, not usually even at 45. Blondes? Robert Redford looked good for years. Brad Pitt. Ryan Gosling. Why persist in this stupidity?

How did this get twisted into a racial matter?

Some rabid anti white wanted to prove that white guys become ruins at their 25 th birthday, while he will remain forever young.

R446 The guy has beautiful eyes. We girls, unlike you guys, love mature sophisticated white guys.

Every bisexual guy I know bud closeted and no one knows and I’ve known a lot, so of course more women are going to IDENTIFY (key word here) as bisexual than men

There was a period when I was hooking up with bi guys like crazy

And the women who don’t want to date bi guys have nothing to do o worry an since almost every bi guy I’ve known is secretive about, the women would have no idea

R454 Women have absolutely nothing to worry about

R443

Here is your non-movie star average 30 yo Blond White guy!

R465 I don't get it. What's his age? Are there pictures of him when he was younger that were more attractive? (He's not bad looking.) You're not proving anything posting a random picture of a guy.

And this is our Slavic average 30 yo blond guy

R456 He is about 40.

R459 And...what's your point?

He is not bad for 40

R443 Here's another 30 year old White guy!

This one is 35 (1986)

R462 Sweet bear

Ilya Shakunov (13 August 1970, Leningrad)

This one is average 50 yo, well 51

R457 Who are you asking?

Here is another "gorgeous" 30 year old White guy! LOL

My grandpa. He works in Germany

I think we found the missing link! LOL Look at this 30 year old cro magnon looking motherfucker! HAHAHAHA

Somebody please feed this ugly bitch! LOL

I don't know what this thread has become, but post number 600 can't come fast enough for me.

The pictures of these guys don't prove they deteriorated with age. They probably looked the same when they were 21. I don't want to say you're stupid, but - you're stupid.

R471 Is one of those pictures you???

You seem a little too vested in this. Calm down you ugly motherfucker.

Ugly is not a sin. It will be ok. HAHAHAH

R472 Keepin it classy yo

R473 Why don't you keep it classy by not calling people "stupid" who you don't know. You fucking moron. If you don't like or care about what I posted then why are you responding directly to me? Quit being a dick. You get what you give!

R474 I didn't even put a number in my post. What makes you think I was talking about you? Then you call me a stupid motherfucker. lol

Bonkers thread

R349 embarrassed himself and exposed his eldergayness. LOL.

Zan .

R477 exposed he is old and feeble minded. LOL

There is no fool like an old fool!

A lil

^ again the fucking horrible permed mop top. That hair looks good on no one.

R480 HAHAHA

Mothers go through so much with gay sons. Many moms wanna think it is a phase or maybe he can still meet a nice girl who can "change his mind." Although most moms say right away that they accept it, I think they have a hard time doing so and still hold out hope for a while.

Dads are usually one note. They either accept it or reject him because Dad's know how dicks work. If the boy says he's gay then that means he's getting hard thinking about guys. It's a wrap! The boy is gay. Bisexuality is rarely a consideration since a lot of people consider that gay. LOL

R482 Think that fathers know how busexuslity is rare and there is mostly a single thing that makes a guy hard.

R480 I don't even need to look at the video to want to slap him across the room.

R483 That too! LOL

R483 I don’t think bisexuality is rare

According to people, if a guy does stuff with a guy just once he’s gay

And. Recent poll found 33%?of men have had at least ONE sexual experience another guy, but yet only 9% claimed to be fully gay

That leaves 24% as… bisexual at least

The big problem with bi men, because of the stigma, that ironically gay men promote, they are never never ever rarely open about it so they fly under the radar since most bi guys are indistinguishable than your typical straight guy and they’re almost always in relationships with women

I posted in another thread how I was hooking up with bi guys, real masculine pussy loving dudes too, in my old neighborhood like crazy, it was like every guy I became friends with turned out to be secretly bi and opened to fooling around with another guy

It actually got annoying after awhile because we were all closeted bi’s and a lot of times I just wanted FREINDSHIPS with these guys

R486 here, also as a masculine bi guy, I hear straight men talk all the time about how pussy is so wonderful that it makes sense for a woman to be bi and like both pussy and dick

But wouldn’t that apply to gay men as well? I mean pussy is so great then why wouldn’t men who also like dick like pussy , why does one have to cancel out the other

I actually know a mostly gay guy, who came out and is in the scene and sometimes will hook up with women be he loves the feeling of pussy but he’s scared to tell people that’s he’s basically bisexual and he won’t even comment on a woman’s attractiveness on social media or in public

Yet straight women can constantly comment on a woman’s attractiveness

Society is really freightened by any type of male sexuality that’s fluid

It’s really weird

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[quote]^ again the fucking horrible permed mop top. That hair looks good on no one.

I'm always reading variations on this comment on DL threads- maybe it's all the same person. Finally I'm going to reply. I think this haircut is really cute. I don't think it's usually a perm, either. It can be cut this way with curly, wavy, or straight hair. I think it's flattering and cute and I like it.

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R487, you sound stupid as hell. FUCK OFF with the gay conversion bullshit. You're that damn dense you don't understand why gay men are gay?

R495 Oh God, all that fluidity, bi and multi sexuality, pan(demic) etc. I must be getting old for all this.

Bi men do these stupid flexes, I hate it when someone else in the lgbt whatever world tries to regulate gay men. Just because you can pass for straight doesn't mean you dictate to me who to fuck or that I need to be "fluid." I am a gay man who wants male MEN with a dick.