Coronavirus Freakout 31: Covfefe-19 Plagues America

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Nice pic, OP.

Thanks Sylvia.

Fuck the haters.

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, as well as being the first WHO director without a medical degree, also has a somewhat political background compared to his predecessors. On his online biography, the WHO lays out his qualifications as Ethiopian Minister of Health from 2002 to 2012, impressive stuff.

Aside from his medical credentials, Tedros happens to be a member of the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) which is an organisation about as peaceful as its name suggests. Founded as a communist revolutionary party that came to power in 1991, it led a guerrilla campaign against the Mengistu dictatorship and formed a coalition with two other ethnic parties after his exile.

Over time, the TPLF began to exert more and more influence over the other two parties. Most military generals and key leaders within the government are Tigray, including the Prime Minister who ruled the country for 21 years before his death. The Tigray represent only 6% of the population of Ethiopia, one of the major ethnic groups are the Amhara who mostly made up the Mengistu regime.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 4 - 6:30 PM EST

🤥 NATIONAL TELL A LIE DAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,196,944

DEATHS: 64,850

CRITICAL: 42,110

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 308,124

DEATHS: 8,395

CRITICAL: 8,113

Architect Michael McKinnell is the latest coronavirus victim. RIP.

what did orange fat fuck have to say today?

Did they press him on his attempted sneaky move of firing that intelligence inspector general?

is he still saying cities and states have to make their own stockpiles?

If this is a National Crisis, why is there no blanket order for the entire nation to Stay-at-Home?

Just because Trump doesn't think it's necessary ..........

Trump clearly has been off his meds for several days.

we're on our way to 10,000 deaths. Definitely by end of Monday

Police want to question Jessica Chastain over the rotten food that she hand delivered to first responders

There are young people below me having a party. I also know some younger people with roommates and they are all not social distancing- I think they assume they have it and/or don’t care.

It's official. Pelosi is fucking Trump. It helps to explain his complete turnaround regarding the dangers of the virus and her plegde to pass more stimulus bills in the near future. Sadly, Trump eats women like her for breakfast, I mean literally with his tongue. What she doesn't realize is that Trump will spin any plan passed by Congress as his idea. You can not out maneuveur the Devil. She needs to hold her cards close to her chest and swoop in when the going really gets tough. Why act now? She needs to let people suffer and to choose the right time to act.

Any predictions on when this will end and we can go outside?

WSJ:

Virus Toll Climbs as Trump Sees 'A Lot of Death' Ahead

Orange Clown of Death

The drug treatment and medical research thread. 15 people indicated an interest in something specific,

R13: June 1

I asked a friend of mine who works at New York Presbyterian in Manhattan if it's been busy at the hospital and he told me, "Not really. Last night it was almost empty."

Can that be true?

The fact that men are more likely to get sick and die from this leads me to think maybe it was a bio-weapon designed to take out soldiers and politicians, most of whom are men; it was in the early stages of research and somehow escaped the lab.

I can make it to June 1.

R19 Gee, you don't think it might have something to do with the already-recognized "gender gap in health"? I'd particularly think the part related to men's overall "behavioral factors" (outlined in link) could be playing a role in why we're seeing more men die.

Watch it be June 2nd, r20.

June 1st? More like August 1st.

Does anyone know of someone who is died of or is very ill with Covid? I only know if one friend and he recovered.

A German Exception? Why the Country’s Coronavirus Death Rate Is Low

CNN:

Why these 8 Republican governors are holding out on statewide stay-at-home orders

[quote]Does anyone know of someone who is died of or is very ill with Covid? I only know if one friend and he recovered.

Yes.

Sorry for your loss. My agency is over 800 people and there has not been a single case that we know of.

For some perspective, COVID was the third leading cause of death in America today, behind heart disease and cancer. I know that doesn't sound like that big a deal, but from an infectious disease standpoint, that's INSANE. And at some point this week, COVID likely will end up overtaking the other two.

I wonder what that letter said that the military man got relieved over. He probably has every right to be very angry.

Dr. Becky Scarf, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator, warned the hardest hit U.S. hotspots could reach their mortality peaks, simultaneously, in the next week.

“The Detroit area, the New York area, the Louisiana area ... They’re all on the upside of the curve of mortality,” Scarf said at a White House briefing. “By the predictions that are in that healthdata.org, they’re predicting in those three hotspots, all of them hitting together in the next six to seven days.”

New York leads the country in terms of coronavirus cases, with more than 113,000 confirmed cases, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University. At least 63,000 of those cases are in the New York City area. Michigan has more than 14,000 confirmed cases of the virus, and Louisiana has more than 12,000.

“What we’re seeing today are the people who were infected two or three weeks ago,” Scarf said. “If mitigation in New York worked, and we believe it is working, the cases are going to start to go down, but the mortality will be a lag behind that because of the co-morbidities and other conditions.”

Georgia governor has opened the beaches. This pandemic will never leave us at this rate.

Mr. Magoo

Yes R24

I still think smoking being a gendered behavior is driving at least some of the increased mortality for men.

I'm getting sick of seeing Trump on TV everyday.

All he does is lie anyway.

[quote]R590 Marianne Faithfull Hospitalized After Testing Positive for Coronavirus:

Why’d ya SPIT ON MY SNATCH ? !

[quote]R31 “The Detroit area, the New York area, the Louisiana area ... They’re all on the upside of the curve of mortality,” Scarf said at a White House briefing.

wut?

R22 June 1, 2021

R37, I guess that’s a polite euphemism for “they’re all going to die.” Death is on the upswing!

She should keep in mind she’s speaking to average Americans, not presenting findings to a medical board.

[italic]”The upside of the curve of mortality”[/italic] ? ?

I knew this was horseshit. All this did was hurt people who need the Plaquenil for lupus.

[quote]A small trial finds that hydroxychloroquine is not effective for treating coronavirus

Marianne Faithfull was a Gap model in 2002.

So, this isn’t over?

Marianne Faithfull was a Gap model in 2002.

R32, what an idiot! Seriously, what is he thinking?

So this is the most 1st world problem ever ...

I have naturally curly, blonde/red hair. Give it two months (and we are into month one), I will start to look like Bozo the clown.

Thinking about just shaving my head myself. It will grow back. I’m already in my 40’s and a little budgy so not worried amount “impressing” anyone.

Thoughts? Just curios if anyone has done it before with basic (non professional) tools.

R45 Georgia's governor, Brian Kemp, ordered a stay in place, then in the next breath opened all of the state's beaches, countermandering several mayors' orders to close the beaches. Then, there are still 8 Red State Republican governors who don't believe in restricting their citizens at all. This is going to be a long, bumpy ride before we can ever start trying to get back on our feet in terms of the economy.

I’m going to Greece July 1st ....why not? It’s a risk but what the hell

Dr. Becky Scarf is quite fond of repeating the word "Elisa."

Even if you gotten “sick” r48 and were now immune (which ... is not a bad bet but still), is it worth going if everything will be closed?

I learned by email that a guy I used to study with recently left London to wait this out with his family in rural Vermont. He must have taken COVID back with him because he subsequently tested positive for it. Happily seems to be recovering, but this was his verdict on Day 11:

"There were a few days last week that were pretty harrowing, but I'm happy to say I'm feeling better now, although I'm not out of the woods yet: as I'm sure you know, the process is non-linear, there are false recoveries, etc. I'm on day 11, and things can still happen at this later stage. But I've been fever-free for 72 hours now, and with minimal coughing, as opposed to last week. I really hope that none of you get this: it's....unpleasant. It's the breathing - physiologically and psychologically - that's the hardest to deal with. I'm literally on top of a mountain in Vermont, with loving family helping me out, so you couldn't ask for a better place to recover/isolate. "

We will never be rid of this virus...A city can get it under control etc, but you'll just have people from other states who didn't do any "stay at home" measures and they will travel to infect people in other states...

Yeah. I feel like the best hope is signs of herd immunity in a few months. Does anyone know what the models are for number of deaths for these at risk states in the next two weeks? Trump is useless with his vague “there will be a lot of death” proclamations.

Astrologers on one of the prediction threads have said the pandemic will plateau off but still continue through June, then begin to slowly taper off through the summer and fall. It won't be really under control until November.

[Tybee Island] Mayor's Statement on Beaches Reopening

As the Pentagon ordered 100,000 body bags to store the corpses of Americans killed by the Coronavirus, Governor Brian Kemp dictated that Georgia beaches must reopen, and declared any decision makers who refused to follow these orders would face prison and/or fines.

While the beaches have to reopen under the Governor’s order, Tybee will not have beach access and parking lots will remain closed until further notice. It should also be noted that Tybee currently is not properly staffed with Emergency Medical Services and there are no life guards in place. At no time has the state designated a single point of contact to orchestrate the implementation of the Governor’s plan.

Additionally in spite of the serious health situation facing our community and the world, Governor Kemp has rescinded all restrictions put in place by local municipalities since March 1st.

Tybee City Council and I are devastated by the sudden directives and do not support his decisions. The health of our residents, staff and visitors are being put at risk and we will pursue legal avenues to overturn his reckless mandate.

Shirley Sessions

Mayor Tybee Island

Tybee City Council

Terrible

Culling the herd of Deplorables...

I hope the Deplorables infect each other and start dying off.

Church should interesting tomorrow. You know how they like to pack themselves in the pews to “fuck with the libtards.”

R52, it's like trying to get rid of crabs. All you need is to miss one louse and you have to start all over again.

went to a hardware store today to get something for my kitchen. saw that they were selling some surgical masks. it was wrapped in plastic and looks like only 3 or 4 inside...they were charging 44.50 for the pack! I thought it was 4.50 and wanted to buy it but when he rang it up, it was 44.50. I said...no thank you!

I know a few deplorables. Some are not bad people maybe misguided or stubborn or think Rump won't make them give up their beloved guns or make abortions. Illegal.

The only reason these states are refusing the stay at home order is to please Rump who won't override that decision because he doesnt want to those them election time. He must be really scared he will go to prison if not reelected. Can you imagine Rump going to prison? What a great great day that would be.

R48 Do you have travel health insurance coverage?

So China is reportedly entering the next phase of Corona?

Might as well cancel baseball season in the USA.

R25 screw this, that is racist af. Thai has only 20 death, Viet has 0 death, despite both can see China from the porch. Yet, Germans are applauded for having 1446 deaths?

China has thirty new cases, and three new deaths.

I'm guessing a lot of the peasant class don't even make it to the hospital. They're dumping corpses on the street in Ecuador

And I can see Russia from my house.

Is anyone else having a hard time remembering what day it is? The days all run together now. Sometimes I have to remind myself what month it is.

I can't imagine how disorienting the holidays are going to be this year, especially right after the big election. I'm just holding on for dear life at this point.

Hopefully the coronavirus sees you S. Palin.

[quote]Dr. Becky Scarf is quite fond of repeating the word "Elisa."

‘Granular’ too. Becky loves ‘granular’ (and ‘granularity.’)

Here in NYC I look at the homeless people (especially the old ones) along with the pigeons and I just don’t think any of them will be here by the time the summer’s over.

^With 40% unemployment, plenty will be around to replace them!

Can someone help me interpret the following (taken from the linked report):

“ The overall cumulative COVID-19 associated hospitalization rate is 4.6 per 100,000, with the highest rates in persons 65 years and older (13.8 per 100,000) and 50-64 years (7.4 per 100,000).”

Is this saying that the overall hospitalization rate is 4.6%? If so, that is much lower than the 20% figure...

[quote] Sorry for your loss. My agency is over 800 people and there has not been a single case that we know of.

Oh, please. I have people in my family who have it, colleagues, multiple people in the business I work in. I find it impossible to believe not a single person you know has it. The denial is fucking ridiculous.

The healthdata.org site with projections on the number of deaths was last updated on April 1. It has a message saying to check back on Saturday, April 4, for their next update. But Saturday has come and gone with no update. I hope the people running the site didn't get sick with the Corona.

R73 No I think that is 4.6 per every 100,000 people in the population will be hospitalised: it is not a percentage of all COVID cases which will be hospitalised.

Palin was recently congratulating herself with I told ya so's because she can go out and hunt for her own food.

Hopefully tread 32 will be started by someone other than SylviaFowler

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 5 - 12:10 EST

🌴 PALM SUNDAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,202,433

DEATHS: 64,729

CRITICAL: 42,290

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 311,635

DEATHS: 8,454

CRITICAL: 8,206

What difference does it make who starts the thread?

Doesn't R80, except there are those here that are sucking SylviaFowler's cock and asking him to start threads. Anyone can start a thread so I am perplexed they are relying on a man with a woman's name to start one.

Because that is all she has left dear r81

[quote]The overall cumulative COVID-19 associated hospitalization rate is 4.6 per 100,000

How can this be accurate? This would imply that the number of people hospitalized in NYC would be around 4.6*8*10 = 368, but more people than that are dying each day.

R74 you don’t know anything

That was answered above, R83 (and thank you ConcernedEuropean). That 4.6 hospitalized is per 100000 of total population in the US, not of COVID cases. Interesting statistic but quite abstract.

[quote] The healthdata.org site with projections on the number of deaths was last updated on April 1. It has a message saying to check back on Saturday, April 4, for their next update. But Saturday has come and gone with no update. I hope the people running the site didn't get sick with the Corona.

Perhaps it’s my unhealthy frame of mind right now, but I assumed that the findings were bad and they’re vetting them before release. No concrete reason to feel that way, just thst everything related to this is bad and getting worse.

lolz

[Quote] Once Mexican restaurants open back up and you see me at a table with 10 bowls of cheese dip and 10 bowls of salsa, mind your business.

She peaked at the Ingmar Bergman one and she has bored me since. It should be around 570 580 whoever does it first. Doesnt matter if it's good or bad. Also let the old thread die out naturally. i suspect this is the work of more than one control freak(or one person having more than one account like she has accused of others)running the show

Slyvia isnt even the second interesting character in The Women. There is Crystal, Mary played by the wrongfully disliked Norma and then maybe Slyvia Much like the real world nothing is fair. Someone pointed out we have more important issues and let it go. Maybe he's right. This thread is very important to me and I hate how its controlled by a not very nice person.

[quote]The overall cumulative [bold]COVID-19 associated[/bold] hospitalization rate is 4.6 per 100,000

It's not across the entire population. It's 4.6 of laboratory-confirmed cases in ~100 counties in the ten IEP-participating states (CA, CO, CT, GA, MD, MN, NM, NY, OR, TN) and the four IHSP-participating states ((IA, MI, OH, and UT), across all age groups, with the caveat that the numbers are skewed due to the availability of testing.

Maybe it's real name is Sylvan Fowler.

R61 If you eat shit and die don't blame the shit.

Are you sure it wasn't Ingrid Berman?

I live on the UES and it’s been quiet here. I went to the bodega today and everyone was wearing a mask and the Koreans who run the shop were almost beating us into 6ft apart. I felt safe. They did a good job. I went on scruff just to check and there will still people looking. Imagine. Gays will probably die in higher numbers, starting with that Miami party

Anything more reported concerning the 🚢 TWO 🚢 cruise ships that supposedly docked in Florida today?

That whole situation was messed up R93. Floridians should be embarrassed by their governor.

[quote]I went on scruff just to check and there will still people looking. Imagine. Gays will probably die in higher numbers, starting with that Miami party

Meanwhile, lesbians and our new supreme leader, Lori Lightfoot (Chicago's lesbian mayor), locked ourselves up with nine months of supplies that we started gathering last November, just in case, and haven't stepped outside without full protective gear. We also built ourselves some new storage sheds for all our toilet paper.

This summarizes current confusion about masks

[quote]Palin was recently congratulating herself with I told ya so's because she can go out and hunt for her own food.

I hope she is hunting for bats.

R92 Meanwhile in Soho/the Village, I saw lots of young people out and about, not wearing masks (for the most part, people have been wearing them the last two weeks) or observing social distancing. There were also several tourists meandering around. WTF? Why are there tourists?

R95 Sounds like a New Age Revival of MichFest BootCamp + More.

R88

That was hot!

R95 is not too far off the mark. The 2 lesbians I know are freaking off the charts with gear, masks, rubber gloves, sanitizer, hair covered up, hot liquids, lemon juice, Apple cider vinegar, spraying everything with alcohol including the inside of an elevator which they wont go in if any other person is inside of the cab. Making themselves sick with all the shit they are doing not to get sick.

Coronavirus Freakout 32: No matter what the future brings, as time goes by

Here’s what’s up in the state of Georgia, or what I now call, George-AHHH!!!

The numbers are so fucked up, it’s not even fathomable that they are doing this.

Currently, about 280-300+ persons are being held in mandatory quarantine in a government building placed on a fairground.

They are not reporting the county. It is a building bordering 2 counties, and they are sending anyone from nearby counties to this building for “testing”.

I’m order to receive a prescription for testing, a suspected CoVid-19 carrier must have a fever that is being monitored hourly, and sustaining at 102 to 104 degrees Fahrenheit, for over 8 hours. Once the local hospital, which is the smaller than the parking structure at Cedar Sinai in Beverly Hills/WeHo, determines that you are qualified for the test, they give you a prescription number that is entered into a database. All persons in your household must report their health status, and are subject to quarantine in this facility on the fairgrounds, or are ordered to shelter in place, with both timelines at 14 days

The sick patient is tested, and if the test proves positive, they are treated in an area of the fairgrounds, in makeshift ICU/Triage units. Only when it is assessed by medical staff that the person cannot sustain breathing without intervention, in the patient transferred to this tiny hospital. Once there, the patient is intubated, and no one is allowed inside the building, but essential medical staff. The patients are intubated, and are kept alive with life support systems, hence the number of deaths are not actual or true numbers.

Only essential staff are allowed in the other units for triage/ICU, and the others who are in mandatory onsite quarantine due to possible false-positives, and erratic testing results, are in other buildings, with no contact with anyone other than essential staff. The bathrooms are limited, and the cots are, well, cots. Not the best situation if you are sick, and need sleep, or if you just have a flu with a high fever, that renders you vulnerable to the Covid-19, due to the proximity of others who may actually be sick.

[quote]I'm getting sick of seeing Trump on TV everyday.

Why are you watching? There's nothing he says at his rallies—I mean press conferences—that you can't learn elsewhere. Giving him your attention and ratings = giving him more power. The first rule of disconnecting from a narcissist/sociopath is to act as if they don't exist.

Continued from post R103

Currently, NOT ONE NEWSPAPER OR LOCAL NEWS CHANNEL, is reporting this, here in Georgia. This is about an hour west of Savannah and Pooler GA, two main port entryways for shipping and exporting.

The fairgrounds are right next to the non reported county, which is a large agricultural area, along with meat and poultry processing plants, which distribute to Walmart, KFC, and that Christian chicken fast food place, which the name of, currently escapes me. Oh, Chick-Fil-A.

Here are the stats (below). I did not believe any of this, until I started digging around, and found corresponding data, based on the information I was receiving from someone who has a contact in the hospital.

2 Large refrigerator trucks are currently docked at the fairgrounds.

All true. No one is discussing this, and apparently, very few people even know. This is about 15-20 minutes away from my home, and I deliberately made my employer terminate me 3 weeks ago, because I had guesstimated that this would not be dealt with in an expedient nor ethical manner, being that 60% of the employees working in these processing plants, are actually prisoners in the Georgia State Corrections prisons throughout various counties, and are forced to work while sick, in some of the most vile working conditions imagined, along with others who are not prisoners, and are free to leave work, pick up their kids from school, go grocery shopping, attend church, etc. Deplorables and working poor, or administrative staff, and security.

No way are these beef and poultry plants closing down, nor are they providing protections to the immigrant workers who pick crops and work the farms, while living in decrepit and unsanitary trailers, packed in with as many as 10 or more migrant farm workers, per trailer. They, too, shop at the local Walmart, etc.

This is fucked. Georgia is ran by a canal of criminals, and I am actually appalled that this isn’t getting any news coverage, because Tyson Farms, or others, have MAJOR pull in these towns, as do universities that have big football teams.

These economies depend on these companies and sports programs at the universities, and everyone is acting as if this is NOT happening, and this is why Kemp and the rest are flat out lying and fudging the numbers.

UPDATE: as of a few minutes ago, the “unknown” cases were 288, and are now 88. Where they are now, is unknown to me, and the people being given the data, I’m sure.

The devil went down to Georgia, just saying

Do you have to be paid member to post links? It never works for me if I try. Figure I might as well paying I love you DL.

No R107. If it is primetime you can't do shit, but when it isn't you can do what paid members can do.

The problem for me now is - where the hell am I supposed to buy a mask?

I had one N95 mask from my last trip to Asia that I gave to my 81 year old mother. I see plenty of people with masks, but I don't know how they got them. Thermometers are also gone. And HAIR CLIPPERS (not trimmers) are all out of stock.

R106, this is happening in many areas throughout the South, from what I am hearing, AND in other states, heading Midwest.

Red states, basically.

The virus will do some slow moving yet significant damage through America’s heartlands within the next several months. Then by October through December, round two and mutation number(s) ___ & ___, will hit the ground running, and we will see another hard hit for a few weeks, affecting the rest of the homeless it didn’t wipe out in round one, more elderly, and perhaps a mutation surprise, that LOVES kids under 10, just in time for Christmas.

Vaccine in by 1st quarter 2021, & at home testing kits in all stores before Halloween 2020.

[quote] It's not across the entire population. It's 4.6 of laboratory-confirmed cases in ~100 counties in the ten IEP-participating states (CA, CO, CT, GA, MD, MN, NM, NY, OR, TN) and the four IHSP-participating states ((IA, MI, OH, and UT), across all age groups, with the caveat that the numbers are skewed due to the availability of testing.

Thank you, but...4.6 out of every 100000 confirmed COVID cases are hospitalized? The numbers for that don’t make sense. Sorry, I’m dense.

China is producing masks again, R109. You might try Alibaba sellers who will ship to the US. I have a shipment of masks on the way from China via FedEx.

R109, I bought my thermometer a couple of weeks ago. Ordered it from Best Buy and it got here within a week. It's one of those Kinsa thermometers that they've been talking about so much on the news lately. I love it. Don't know how many they still have in stock, though.

I agree with you about the masks. I ordered some off of Amazon last week but due to backlog, they're not due to arrive until sometime near the end of April. Like you, walking on the streets and seeing virtually everyone around you wearing one, you have to wonder where the hell they got them so fast.

Do you trust them R112?

I have ten N95 mask that I bought after reading the threads on DL earlier this year R109. From what I understand I can prolong their life by wearing a bandanna over them. With shipping those 10 N95 mask cost me around $3.50 each. I'm not looking for a profit, but if someone feels they need a mask I will send it to them at cost plus shipping.

Many people are making them. There are many DIY tutorials on it. You also can use a scarf or bandana. The president likes to raw dog, but I actually don’t.

Let’s take a minute and celebrate the fact that deplorables in red states will be wiped out in greater numbers than their urban counterparts (who have been taking this shit seriously for weeks.)

By the lice cream.

Use it on your skin as a thin layer after you get out of the shower, and are dry for at least 20 minutes.

I’m not going to get into my whole theory as to why this will work. Do not consume it orally, or stick it up your ass, or in your eyes.

Use a thin layer on your face, arms, hands, neck, and any area where skin may be exposed, because you must leave your home.

Drink lots of Gatorade and fluids. Do not allow your skin to become dry, thin due to dehydration, sunburned, or crepe like, where you might have tiny, unnoticeable cuts.

If you had MRSA, or staph, discuss protocols with your specialist.

This virus? It gets in the skin. Pores. Beneath hair follicles. Sweat. Dehydrated skin, exposed to cold.

The lice treatment works as a part of a comprehensive preventative measure, and not as a cure, for now.

I’ve been wrong before, but I do not believe that we understand why this is so contagious, with such a long incubation period. My guess? Skin. Our largest organ, and our first line of protection

Right now R177 it is those in blue states that are dying in greater numbers. I posted weeks ago asking why New York City had not one case of the coronavirus. Statistically, unfortunately it is those in blue states that will outnumber the deaths in red states as of right now only because of the population difference.

R119 is correct.

I’m not sure where these numbers are coming from leading people to believe Deplorables are at risk. Nope. The states hit worst will be blue.

I’m interested in watching what happens in Missouri, within the next few weeks. Ohio, too.

Son of a bitch, I meant R117.

R118 is recommending the daily application of a topical pyrethroid insecticide. I don't know how it is people grow to be so stupid, but there's an entire nation of them right outside your door.

If you're talking about Quell, it can cause permanent nerve damage, r118. When a client got scabies at a group home I worked at, we were warned to apply the thinnest layer possible to his skin, and to only the affected areas. It's not meant to be slathered on your entire body every day.

R120

I'm in Missouri. I feel like we're in the calm before the storm. I am terrified of where we'll be by the 1st of May.

Then there's the even more toxic ivermectin, which is also used as an insecticide for particularly severe cases of lice and scabies. I picked up crabs traveling in SE Asia (or from the guy I was dating before I left for the trip; probably the latter). None of the usual remedies worked and my doc finally gave me ivermectin. He warned that I needed to be utterly fastidious about laundering clothing and sheets before taking it, as it was so toxic, he may not be able to prescribe again within six months.

why anyone would listen to R118 is beyond me. Block his stupid ass.

IIRC, ivermectin was a now-banned ingredient contained in certain once-monthly, topical flea and tick medications for dogs. Nasty stuff that sickened many pets.

Thanks r126 - you made me re read r118. I now see that he wasn’t recommending we slather our post shower bodies in ice cream.

Oh shit, I just realized that what I typed at R88 was unintentionally misleading, no doubt because I had one eye on Netflix.

The two reporting groups (the Emerging Infections Program and the Influenza Hospitalization Surveillance Project) that provide the cases COVID-NET is using represent around 32 million people, or a little less than 10% of the population.

In any case, until widespread serologic testing is done and we start to get an idea of the scope of asymptomatic and very mild infections, numbers are meaningless.

Just to spell it out: the SARS-CoV-2 virus cannot penetrate the skin so FF and block R118. Our skin is a good barrier against infectious agents.

SARS-CoV-2 most easily infects people via the ACE2 receptors contained in your mucus glands, which are located in your eyes, your nose and your mouth. Your ear canals don't have any mucus glands and are safe.

It warms my heart to read all of the well wishes from the people in blue states to those who live in red. You fuckers! I’m a gay who lives in a blue dot surrounded by red, and you shouldn’t wish destruction on me. I’m a critical care nurse, so destruction is a real possibility. I alternate between thinking that the next few weeks could be a real shitshow, or it might not be a disaster, because the numbers don’t look too bad, and we are equipped (supposedly.) I’m about to get ready for work, where it’s still been relatively calm, and everyday someone will inevitably make the statement “ This is like the calm before the storm.” Tom Petty got it right when he said the waiting is the hardest part. I want to get this over with. And if covid wins, you bitches can’t have my stuff. I’m leaving it to the poster from Missouri who knows the pain of living among deplorables. But seriously, my heart goes out to New York and it’s medical personnel, and to all the people suffering. I only want Trump and his sycophants to suffer.

Some relatively good news for Spain. Of course, it is the weekend so there could also be a lag with some of the reporting

Guardian-Spain’s coronavirus death toll has risen by 674 to 12,418 in the past 24 hours, according to figures which recorded the lowest number of victims in nine days. It is also the first time since March 28 that daily deaths have dropped below 800. The number of registered cases rose to 130,759 from 124,736, Spain’s ministry said. The five percent rise in infections was the smallest increase since the start of the health crisis.

Our Health Secretary here in the UK has said outdoor exercise will be banned if people continue to break the rules, so they ain't messing around.

One born every minute

Guardian-A man has been charged after allegedly wiping his saliva on food products in a supermarket in Dorset, in south-west England. The 20-year-old wore a face mask and gloves when entering the Lidl store in Bridport on Friday afternoon, police said. He was then seen licking his fingers before "purposefully" rubbing them onto an item in the store, they said. The man was arrested and charged with an offence of contaminating or interfering with goods with intent. He is due to appear in court on Monday.

I think he should be sentenced to lick the filthiest public toilets in London. He’s one I’m willing to risk to corona

R131 is a good example of the emotional, spiritual, or human fall out from thoughtless posts like I hope Red staters die. This is awful. Do not hope anyone dies, not even in cynicism or jest. I don’t for a minute have any time for Red Staters who vote that way but Jesus, do you really want to be that person, putting that out there, right now? Have a think. And if it’s still ok by your disordered, dark value system, just shut up. You’re the same as some fundie you despise who’s wishing this thing clears out the gays.

R131 I agree and I’m a NP who applauds you and other ICU nurses. R136 Thank you for saying this. It’s bad enough that we have to deal with this without having so-called enlightened liberals demonstrate ignorance and hatred. I don’t wish death or suffering on people even Trumptards, no one who’s been through death or illness with loved ones would either. Fuck, even just having basic compassion and reason would disallow you from wishing death on Republicans who those who have to or choose to live in red states.

Could OP name the next thread the Chinapocalypse please? Whiskey kisses from Ireland.

^We're are all currently experiencing an indoor apocalypse.

Economist Stephen Moore warns US could be headed toward a Great Depression

Economist Stephen Moore warned that the US is barrelling headlong toward a Great Depression if the economy isn’t revived by next month because of the damage caused by the coronavirus pandemic.

“At some point soon, we’re going to have to make some real decisions about what kind of a calamity we are causing through the lock-down of our economy. I’m not saying we should be inattentive to the public health concern…But at some point, we have to worry about what we’re doing to our society, and what kind of economy we’re going to have after this is all over,” Moore, who has advised President Trump on the economy, told host John Catsimatidis on his AM-970 radio show “The Cats Roundtable” in an interview that aired Sunday.

“If we go much past May 1, we are facing a potential Great Depression scenario,” Moore said.

Wall Street markets plummeted on Friday after the feds released the March jobs report that showed the US economy lost 701,000 jobs last month, ending a nine-year hiring streak.

Moore said the country’s unemployment rate could get worse as the coronavirus spreads, rising as high as 23 percent.

The rate hit 24.9 percent in 1933 during the Great Depression. see also White House: Americans should avoid grocery shopping as coronavirus hits apex

The president during a White House coronavirus task force briefing Saturday said hard decisions must be made on the economy.

“Because you know, at a certain point, you’ll lose more people this way through all of the problems caused, than you will with what we’re doing right now,” Trump said of the stay-at-home orders issued by governors across the country.

“What we’re doing right now, I think is going to be very successful, but you know what? I don’t know. We have a big decision to make at a certain point. OK? We have a big decision to make. We went this extra period of time, but I said it from the beginning, the cure cannot be worse than the problem itself.”

“We have to open our country again,” Trump continued. “We don’t want to be doing this for months and months and months.”

Trump had called for opening up the economy by April 12, Easter Sunday, but reversed himself and extended the restrictions until April 30.

Elton John launches $1M coronavirus emergency fund to protect those with HIV

Elton John is stepping up once again in the battle against coronavirus.

The “Rocket Man” singer announced Saturday that his Elton John Aids Foundation has launched a $1 million COVID-19 emergency fund to protect individuals with HIV.

“For almost 30 years my foundation has prioritized the most vulnerable people to HIV, to end the AIDS epidemic and we’re committed to this during the COVID-19 crisis too,” John said in a video posted on Twitter.

He noted that “distributing medicine, testing and preventive treatment is not as simple as it was a few weeks ago,” and the emergency fund is meant to help.

“Our new COVID-19 emergency fund will help frontline partners to prepare for and respond to the pandemic and its effects on HIV prevention and care for the most marginalized communities,” he explained. “We’re with you, we’re thinking of you, we will not leave anyone behind.” Additional details on the fund can be found here.

Earlier this week, John hosted a coronavirus relief concert called “Fox Presents the iHeart Living Room Concert for America.”

The star-studded March 29 event featured Billie Eilish, Mariah Carey and Alicia Keys performing from their homes. Other performers included Tim McGraw, the Backstreet Boys, Sam Smith, Dave Grohl, Green Day’s Billie Joe Armstrong, Camila Cabello and Shawn Mendes.

The event raised more than $10 million for the fight against coronavirus.

Just popping in to say how much I love this thread title and photo.

How about Come Flu With Me.....

Oh Wait.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 5 - 10:00 AM EST

🌴 PALM SUNDAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,224,938

DEATHS: 66,502

CRITICAL: 44,657

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 311,656

DEATH: 8,454 ? UNCHANGED SINCE MIDNIGHT *

CRITICAL: 8,206

Reported this am that US has been slow to update, and figures are not accurate.

R137 let’s not try the false equivalence scam right now, ok hun? We have an emergency going on, it’s not the time for you to try to drag liberals. It’s pretty messed up to use a crisis like this so spread propaganda against democrats.

So much for compassion.

You're going to save the economy and die at work r140 !

Surely you don't want to see people jumping to their death from those high towers ?!

Stephen Moore would like to see millions die. To keep unemployment below 5% before the election.

Trump will listen to him more than Dr. Becky Scarf and Dr. Tony.

Save it, R145. Where did you read propaganda against Democrats in my post? Unless you have a reading comprehension problem or like to be perpetually offended, no one is dragging liberals. Only fake liberals who wish death on Trumptards and those who have to or choose live in red state, which is both the height of ignorance and yes, lacking compassion. if you have a problem with my post then it is you who needs a compassion check.

Exactly... Stephen Moore is a hard core, right wing extremist. His view will be survival of the fittest.

Sky News @SkyNews · 4m The number of #coronavirus deaths in Spain has fallen for the third day in a row - a glimmer of hope in the hard-hit country where more than 12,400 have died

If we weren't in the middle of a pandemic, we could roll out a brand new television spinoff, " The Masked DLer"

IMO, Jabba and 🚶Darfur O would be the easiest to identify. Jabba would be literally bursting at the seams of his costume, while poor little Darfur would collapse under the weight.

She was so beautiful...

Thank you to poster r496 from the last thread. I have been looking for that info from an old post about OTC meds to stop a cytokine storm but couldn’t find it. I bought those meds at Costco that week in preparation must have been mid Feb? Sorry throwing back to a previous thread by prime time was in full force yesterday.

r149 is right. Stephen Moore an Stephen Miller probably get along quite well. Read up on trump supporting Stephen Moore who amongst other things would like to get rid of child labor laws.

In certain cities, you might want to check that you're not choosing local gang colors when selecting bandanas for crafting your fabulous DIY face masks.

Are the Repug Governors who refuse to issue stay-at-home orders now prospectively, and secretly, concocting lies about how they'll deliberately misidentify the deaths that will occur due to Covid-19?

When the Covfefe-19 shit hit hits the fan in their states, I would not put it past them to lie about causes of death that are actually due to Corona, just so they can shield themselves, Trump and their stupid Trump Rabidian voters who'll buy it.

For instance, (and I don't mean to give them ideas, they've probably already thought of this) I can see Repug Governors threaten health care providers with charges of violating state and federal HIPAA prohibitions if they attempt to release actual cause-of-death attributable to Covid-19.

Or, am I being too accusatory?

Several European countries are reporting decreases today in cases and/or deaths including the UK. Definitely encouraging news but we need to wait and see as it is Sunday and the information may not be completely up to date for many countries.

Regarding the UK figures:

BBC-Both last weekend and the weekend before that, reported deaths fell on the Sunday only for the backlog of reporting to come through in a Tuesday spike. So we should wait a few days before reading too much into these figures. It is the second day in a row of below-trend growth. The long-term trend has been a doubling every three-and-a-half-days, which would put us above 900 deaths on Sunday. Any number below that is welcome, but we won't know for a few days whether it's a real fall or delays in reporting.

Forgot to add, they'll lie and attribute to co-morbidities, diabetes, hypertension other maladies, as the causes of death when the cause is actually directly attributable to Covid-19.

Did that astrologer predict a fucking pandemic? Not in the chart??? Surprised

George W. Bush in 2005: 'If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare'

In the summer of 2005, President George W. Bush was on vacation at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, when he began flipping through an advanced copy of a new book about the 1918 flu pandemic. He couldn't put it down.

When he returned to Washington, he called his top homeland security adviser into the Oval Office and gave her the galley of historian John M. Barry's "The Great Influenza," which told the chilling tale of the mysterious plague that "would kill more people than the outbreak of any other disease in human history."

"You've got to read this," Fran Townsend remembers the president telling her. "He said, 'Look, this happens every 100 years. We need a national strategy.'"

Thus was born the nation's most comprehensive pandemic plan -- a playbook that included diagrams for a global early warning system, funding to develop new, rapid vaccine technology, and a robust national stockpile of critical supplies, such as face masks and ventilators, Townsend said.

The effort was intense over the ensuing three years, including exercises where cabinet officials gamed out their responses, but it was not sustained. Large swaths of the ambitious plan were either not fully realized or entirely shelved as other priorities and crises took hold.

But elements of that effort have formed the foundation for the national response to the coronavirus pandemic underway right now.

"Despite politics, despite changes, when a crisis hits, you pull what you've got off the shelf and work from there," Townsend said.

When Bush first told his aides he wanted to focus on the potential of a global pandemic, many of them harbored doubts.

"My reaction was -- I'm buried. I'm dealing with counterterrorism. Hurricane season. Wildfires. I'm like, 'What?'" Townsend said. "He said to me, 'It may not happen on our watch, but the nation needs the plan.'"

Over the ensuing months, cabinet officials got behind the idea. Most of them had governed through the Sept. 11 terror attacks, so events considered unlikely but highly-impactful had a certain resonance.

"There was a realization that it's no longer fantastical to raise scenarios about planes falling from the sky, or anthrax arriving in the mail," said Tom Bossert, who worked in the Bush White House and went on to serve as a homeland security adviser in the Trump administration. "It was not a novel. It was the world we were living."

According to Bossert, who is now an ABC News contributor, Bush did not just insist on preparation for a pandemic. He was obsessed with it.

"He was completely taken by the reality that that was going to happen," Bossert said.

In a November 2005 speech at the Institutes of Health, Bush laid out proposals in granular detail -- describing with stunning prescience how a pandemic in the United States would unfold. Among those in the audience was Dr. Anthony Fauci, the leader of the current crisis response, who was then and still is now the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

"A pandemic is a lot like a forest fire," Bush said at the time. "If caught early it might be extinguished with limited damage. If allowed to smolder, undetected, it can grow to an inferno that can spread quickly beyond our ability to control it."

The president recognized that an outbreak was a different kind of disaster than the ones the federal government had been designed to address.

"To respond to a pandemic, we need medical personnel and adequate supplies of equipment," Bush said. "In a pandemic, everything from syringes to hospital beds, respirators masks and protective equipment would be in short supply."

Bush told the gathered scientists that they would need to develop a vaccine in record time.

"If a pandemic strikes, our country must have a surge capacity in place that will allow us to bring a new vaccine on line quickly and manufacture enough to immunize every American against the pandemic strain," he said.

Bush set out to spend $7 billion building out his plan. His cabinet secretaries urged their staffs to take preparations seriously. The government launched a website, www.pandemicflu.gov, that is still in use today. But as time passed, it became increasingly difficult to justify the continued funding, staffing and attention, Bossert said.

"You need to have annual budget commitment. You need to have institutions that can survive any one administration. And you need to have leadership experience," Bossert said. "All three of those can be effected by our wonderful and unique form of government in which you transfer power every four years."

Bush declined, through a spokesman, to comment on the unfolding crisis or discuss the current response. But his remarks from 15 years ago still resonate.

"If we wait for a pandemic to appear," he warned, "it will be too late to prepare. And one day many lives could be needlessly lost because we failed to act today."

Guardian-Authorities in Ecuador’s biggest city are distributing thousands of cardboard coffins and have created a helpline for families who need corpses to be removed from their homes, report Tom Phillips and Blanca Moncada in Guayaquil. The city has emerged as a regional hotspot for coronavirus, and hospitals and mortuaries have been overwhelmed, forcing some families to store bodies at home. “It looks like a warzone hospital. The things we have seen are straight out of a horror film,” a doctor at the Teodoro Maldonado Carbo hospital, one of city’s biggestfacilities, told the Guardian.

Silly Sweeden

Guardian-Sweden’s government is drawing up new legislation to allow it to take “extraordinary steps” to combat Covid-19, local media have reported, amid concern that its relatively soft approach may be leading to a higher death rate than in other Nordic countries.Denmark and Norway are among the many countries to have imposed tough lockdowns, closing borders and shutting schools, and Finland has isolated its main urban area around Helsinki. But Swedes are still able to shop, go to restaurants, get a haircut and send children under 16 to class. On Sunday Sweden reported a total of 401 deaths so far from Covid-19, and acknowledged delays in reporting mean the actual number is likely to be considerably higher. The figure was up 8% from Saturday and is greater than the totals of the other three Nordic nations combined. Sweden’s toll per million inhabitants is 37, compared with 28 in Denmark, 12 in Norway and 4.5 in Finland.

I finally managed to buy N95 face masks on EBay last night for a fairly reasonable price of $4 per piece and have 12 now. But aren't we supposed to use them only once? That is ridiculous if this pandemic lasts another couple of weeks or even months. How are you guys handling your masks? I thought about using maybe 5 different masks and putting them in a plastic bag and storing them on the balcony for a couple of days after each use? Would any virus still be active on a mask after 3-5 days? My masks have a ventilator so other options like washing them in hot water or putting them in the microwave are not possible I guess.

How many masks do you all have? Do you use them only once or the same mask all the time? How do you "care" for it?

Yeah, I want to know how to clean the mask in between uses. I only have one.

A doctor on Face the Nation a little while ago said he doesn't see any changes until Fall at the earliest. That's if some sort of medication is proven to be safe and effective. Even then, people will still have to follow protective measures. Every doctor, without naming a name (Trump) is pointing out that his info is incorrect.

If you have a smart cotton mask, be sure to wash it with your normal laundry load. Wash colors with color items. And never accept food from strangers like Jessica Chastain.

I have tightly woven fabric masks and one-time use disposables.

The fabric masks are washable, and conformto you facial shape, but they do get really warm. The disposable masks aren't as warm, and I find I prefer those. Either way, I'm still protected.

I bought early enough that I didn't pay inflated prices.

I would love if the astrologer could tell me the actual number of people that have been infected. Three of my coworkers had tests come back positive today. One was expected since he’s been down for the count, but the other two are completely asymptomatic three days post test and more than a week after exposure. It really makes you wonder how many people have been infected and had no idea. I’m trying to think positively, (as department heads are huddling and not contributing to an atmosphere of calm) that if there’s been a significant amount of these cases, we might achieve herd immunity at a faster rate than anticipated.

If Svlvia Browne were still here, she would know what to do.

R136, your Mary Sunshine diatribe offers nothing at all we can use to protect ourselves in a pandemic that is being exacerbated by large portions of our society who are willfully stupid and trained from childhood to accept 'alternative facts' and follow the herd. Without something helpful, your nasty admonition is pointless and useless and graceless.

I suggest that If these megachurches hold huge Palm Sunday services, we step back and allow it. First Amendment, Establishment Clause, and all that. Let them. But once they are in there, they are quarantined in there. They should not be allowed to leave. Public Health, National Security, and all that.

Call me cruel, if you want, R136. But wringing one's hands and whining, "Can't we all get along," will not cut it in a health emergency the magnitude of this one.

The virus only lives on cloth for up to 24 hours. Even if you don't wash it, the mask should be virus-free after a day. I don't see the need to overuse detergents, soaps and wipes needlessly.

R169. Not trying to bring you down, but the herd strategy is not a good option for this virus because it is too deadly. Just today, there were 29 deaths in the UK for people with no underlying health conditions. Besides, we are miles and miles away from any sort of herd immunity. True, lots of people have already contracted the virus and survived but there are millions upon millions of people just in the US who have not

R164 Read this. Remember, N95 masks are made of paper and the virus only survives on paper for 24 hours. So the easiest thing is just to number and rotate your masks to give the virus time to die. Masks can also be 'baked' in a very low temp oven for 30 minutes to kill virus.

Homemade cloth masks can of course just be washed with your regular laundry.

R169, AS IF an astrologer or psychic would know...

r99, that HAS to be a thread on its own!

r127, ivermectin is one of the SAFEST antiparasitics... and it's not used for "flea control", it's a wormer. Some "flea collars" USED to include it in the hope the animal WOULD ingest it & get protection against worms, but now it's used only in tablets/chew-treats and topical "spot" type liquids to reduce the risk that a child (or breed of dog with a genetic mutation that makes it dangerous to them) will ingest it. Collars had too much risk of long-term shedding into the dog's environment & ending up in a child's mouth.

You're probably thinking of either organophosphates or imidacloprid.

Organophosphates are cheap, but have always been known to be somewhere between "not good" and "really bad" for pet health (tempered against uncontrolled flea infestation, which is arguably worse). I'd never expose my pets to OPs.

Imidacloprid (and other neonicotinoids) s a more complicated situation. To mammals, it's basically harmless. At worst, it's like low-dose nicotine. To insects, it's absolutely deadly. The objections to neonic products is purely due to potential for broader environmental harm (esp. things like honeybee colony collapse).

The catch-22 for environmentalists is, the only safe (to humans & animals) viable to neonics & OPs are DDT-like insecticides, which arguably have even bigger environmental issues. Flea products using imidacloprid, fipronil, etc. are effective and safe for pets & humans, but bad for wildlife. Flea products using OPs are harmful to pets & humans, but break down quickly in the environment. Personally, I care more about my cats (and I) not dying from cancer or heartworms, so THEY get imidacloprid and ivermectin, honeybees be damned.

How the fuck are people gonna survive? There won't be any jobs to go back to...how are they going to pay rent? The stimulus isn't gonna do jack shit. Heard there was a lot of problems for those small biz trying to for loans.

I don't think USA is gonna make it. Trump is just the worst. USA must never elect a fucking useless cunt for a president.

Well, R171, if being a hard hearted cunt helps you cope, fill your boots. You’ve gotta live in that skin. I’ve got block.

And Trump fucks up, once again.

[quote]a glimmer of hope in the hard-hit country where more than 12,400 have died

Spain’s total death count so far would translate to 85,000 here. And we’re at least a week behind them in the curve. Seems like the prediction of at least 200,000 deaths here could be about right.

R178: They need to remove Trump's corrupt, rambling, incompetent ass (25th amendment), put the USA in lockdown and invoke the Defense Production Act to produce the PPE and ventilators that are needed. Anything less is just prolonging the inevitable. I keep hoping Trump will have a serious breakdown during one of his bullshit pressers so that he can be removed, finally.

R182 His daily appearances alone should justify using the 25th amendment to remove him. The guy is clearly deranged.

Coronavirus death rate for New Orleans is double that of New York City

New Orleans has emerged as one of the country’s coronavirus hotspots, with a death rate per-capita double that of New York City, according to a troubling new report.

Gary Wagner, an economics professor at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette, said the parish of Orleans, which encompasses the Big Easy, saw a coronavirus death rate of 37.93 per 100,000 people as of Friday, the Wall Street Journal reported.

Meanwhile, the death rate for the Big Apple was 18.86 per 100,000 people, the outlet reported.

Louisiana has reported more than 12,400 cases as of Sunday with the death toll climbing over 400, according to Johns Hopkins University.

The state is second only to New York for the number of deaths per-capita, the newspaper reported.

Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards attributed his state’s troubling death rates to the prevalence of other health conditions among residents, according to the report. The state sees high rates of obesity, diabetes, hypertension, heart disease and kidney disease.

“We have more than our fair share of people who have the comorbidities that make them especially vulnerable,” Edwards told the outlet.

Dr. Alex Billioux, who is the state’s public health chief, said they’ve taken aggressive steps, such as increasing testing, to prevent Louisiana from becoming the next Italy, which has seen more than 15,000 deaths.

“We all look at the video of what’s going on in settings like Italy. We really, really, really hope that we are doing what we need to do to not be on that trajectory,” Billioux told the outlet. “By the end of this epidemic, every family is going to be touched.”

Tom Dempsey, former NFL kicker, dead from coronavirus at 73

Tom Dempsey, who became a record-setting NFL placekicker for the New Orleans Saints despite being born without toes on his right foot, died Saturday after contracting the coronavirus, the team announced. He was 73.

Dempsey had been suffering from Alzheimer’s disease and dementia since 2012 and had been in hospice care for several days after testing positive for COVID-19 on March 25. The former Pro Bowl kicker is among at least 15 residents at the Lambeth House retirement home in New Orleans to die after contracting the pandemic virus, NOLA.com reported.

In addition to his wife, Dempsey is survived by three children and three grandchildren.

These thread titles are embarassing.

They’re ok but the person who did the treason threads is much better.

We made a run to the grocery store this morning. We have a car (for...reasons) and can and usually do go to a store in one of the more suburban-y parts of Queens. We got there around 9:30 and it looked like a bomb had gone off. There was almost nothing in the meat case. The ONLY chicken was in the the kosher case, and I couldn't be an assole, so we left that for the people who need it.

We had a run to Costco about three weeks ago and got about a two week emergency supply, but we're trying to conserve that for if things get worse or one of us (probably me) gets sick.

If nothing else, the head cashier got really saucy on the intercom about people being idiots waiting in line, so that was cool.

Best wishes for your health Voice Of The Night

Is it bad to have a car r188 ?

Is it time for Larry Kramer to write another 1,112 and Counting article?

[quote]Is it bad to have a car [R188] ?

It is if you're trying to street park in my part of Queens, especially right now.

r125, you weren't told to wash everything "because ivermectin is toxic", you were told to do it because you had unhatched eggs everywhere in your environment ready to re-infest you after taking your last dose of the meds.

In the US, oral ivermectin isn't commonly prescribed for lice because it has to be taken for a month or two to REALLY clear up an infestation, and most people who don't already take some other meds daily eventually miss too many doses, then complain when it fails to work. It's also generally been absurdly expensive... the patents expired, but AFAIK there was only one FDA-approved US mfr, so it ended up costing pennies per tablet in Africa, and $5-10/tablet (or more) in the US. Finally, in the US, if you get sent home from school or work due to lice, they won't allow you to return until you're lice (and egg) free, so you STILL need at least one round of topical insecticide and manual egg-removal. So... in most cases, prescribing oral ivermectin would be expensive & redundant.

R134 What a little bitch

R164, R165, I’m going to post this again for you. It’s the inventor of the N95 mask describing how to safely clean and recycle masks.

I’m no scientist, so don’t quote me, but apparently these masks work best when completely dry. So any cleaning involves making them completely dry. There also seems to be some sort of electromagnetic element involved, as in the mask repels the virus, it doesn’t just cover you up. So how you clean the mask matters, you can’t just do it any old way, because that will damage its usefulness. I don’t u sweat and it myself, maybe someone like Elderlez can explain it better. Anyway, here it is.

R173 Maybe I was unclear in my wording, but I was in no way advocating for a herd immunity strategy. The CDC and various other sources are estimating that around 25% of infected patients are asymptomatic. These cases are not being counted, because we’re not doing widespread testing. The only reason my asymptomatic coworkers got tested, is because they’re healthcare providers and were exposed to an infected patient. I’m not sure if people realize how far behind we still are on testing. I’ve had two patients die before their test results came back. Two weeks ago it was taking 10 days to get results, and now we’re down to 3. The vast majority of testing conducted in the ER and even the ICU of my hospital is on patients we deem likely to be infected. My whole point was that I’d love to know the true number of infections we’ve had in the US vs the reported number which is not accurate. R175 I hope you’re a troll, because someone upthread kept mentioning a psychic, so I said it as a joke.

Understand it ^^

Over 9000 deaths in USA now

" Heard there was a lot of problems for those small biz trying to for loans."

Lies. And you're a nasty person. Bank of America is doing a fantastic job and getting these loans is really simple and working beautifully. All banks are great and doing a fantastic job. Reports that Bank of America is denying small businesses without credit cards or a previous relationship with BoA loans are pure fabrication and as usual fake news by the far left fake news media. No one as ever done anything like this before and we're doing a tremendous job.

“This is going to be the hardest and saddest week of most Americans’ lives. This is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment, our 9/11."

Surgeon General Jerome Davis on Fox News Sunday this morning.

This virus is really weird with it's wide range of severity. Some people have no symptoms, some have mild symptoms, some say it hit them like a freight train and some die. I want to know what causes the disparity, it isn't always about underlying conditions like high blood pressure.

I don't know why this week will be the worst? Aren't we still several weeks away from peak?

Sounds like he's trying to tie in Easter somehow in a weird and illogical way.

Unfortunately, the Trumo cabinet would never remove him. They were specifically chosen for blind loyalty to him at any price, like a dictatorship. I also fear that Biden will struggle to beat him. Joe looks and sounds feeble. The virus unfortunately may help to get Trump re-elected because Mainstream people oddly sympathize with him now.

R201 is this where we talk about viral loads?

Navy captain fired by Trump over coronavirus letter tests positive for COVID-19: report

Good grief they keep saying how bad it will be but have no specifics. Clearly they are going off models with projections, but are not sharing those projections for the next two weeks. I am not a child! Tell the truth

[quote]“This is going to be the hardest and saddest week of most Americans’ lives. This is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment, our 9/11."

Does he realize that for the vast majority of Americans, 9/11 was our 9/11?

R41 Trump & Kushner needed a non-patented Drug to deflect to while they load up on Gilead stock.

Does having the flu shot make a difference on the severity of Corona.? Has there been a study on how many victims did or didn’t get a shot?

The numbers were a little better in NYS today so hopefully we're nearer to the peak and new cases will start to go down.

Hope so anyway.

[quote]Does having the flu shot make a difference on the severity of Corona.?

No. They're two completely separate viruses.

[quote] [R125], you weren't told to wash everything "because ivermectin is toxic", you were told to do it because you had unhatched eggs everywhere in your environment ready to re-infest you after taking your last dose of the meds

R193, yes, genius. If I hadn’t been fastidious with laundry, I could have missed a louse or a nit, in which case the doc couldn’t prescribe more of the pesticide because it was toxic.

You’re like a two-year-old “explaining” to an adult how her dollhouse works.

R210 - what stats are you looking at? It is just 1pm EST and today's numbers are close to yesterday's numbers (11 hours left). The NY and USA numbers are worse every day!

We need to declare war on China!

We need to declare war on China!

Former NFL player Tom Dempsey has died from the coronavirus

We might hit 10,000 deaths by the end of today.

It’s shocking to me the disparity between NY and CA. Over 4K deaths compared to a little over 300.

R216 i remember that game! A rare bright spot for long suffering Saints fans

R218, CA isn’t a tightly cramped hellhole where even the wealthy live in cupboards

I got my numbers about NY from Cuomo's news conference today. Both new cases and deaths declined from yesterday's numbers.

Donny @ R199. Got news for you. I have a small business and I'm lucky to have an account with PNC. They let me through the narrow gate ONLY because I have a business relationship with them. Same is true for most banks. But all they've done at this point is take my application and give me a number, like at a deli counter. I'm told it could be months before we see any money. No one knows what the next steps are. They're making it up as they go. Lots of documentation is required---payroll reports, taxes, etc. that all has to be uploaded to a site that keeps crashing. I finally got the app submitted late last night, after several hours of unsuccessful attempts. Many business owners have been paralyzed by all the red tape and confusing guidelines. But if they don't act quickly, chances are there won't be any money left for them.

R223.

I don't feel like the death toll will be as bad as they think. Probably because we have mostly stayed home.

[quote]I don't feel like the death toll will be as bad as they think.

We're grateful and honored to have such a brilliant, scientific mind like yours to help guide us through the crisis.

[quote]I don't feel like the death toll will be as bad as they think

Well, as long as you don't think it.

Ireland's openly gay prime minister, Leo Varadkar, has returned to practising medicine in order to help treat COVID-19 patients.

CNN:

Jake Tapper to Trump: This requires a plan. Do you have one?

We don’t need a plan, we are doing a beautiful job

What a fucked up, intolerant, backwater the USA is!

Trump is taking us straight to hell.

Off topic

Could the poster who knows about flea meds explain If advantage is safe for cats?

I swear my baby boy died at 14 years old from that stuff, or rather he was too frail to handle.

Thanks

back OFF

[quote] I don't feel like the death toll will be as bad as they think

Bill Gates thinks it's possible that the death toll will be less than currently being advertised.

Politically, there is no downside to releasing large ranging death toll numbers. Even if false, they may scare people into doing the right thing- masks, social distancing, etc. And if the real numbers come in much less than "projected," the Trump Admin will look like saviors, especially to themselves and in all future political ads.

Anyway, here's what Bill Gates says, and we hope he is right about this.

[quote] Trump last week predicted that the U.S. could see between 100,000 and 240,000 deaths from COVID-19 before the outbreak is under control, echoing forecasts from White House health advisor Anthony Fauci.

[quote] “If we do the social distancing properly, we should be able to get out of this with a death number well short of that,” Gates told Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday. He said it’s “very important” those figures are out there so people understand the severity of the situation.

The death toll may be more than 9/11 but this is different because it’s ongoing over days and days.

[quote]NY Gov @andrewcuomo: "Hurricanes, earthquakes, floods—they happen, they are fast, they’re over, you start rebuilding. This is different. This is ongoing, and the duration itself is debilitating and exhausting and depressing."

and this:

[quote]An ER doc: "The one thing that always comes to mind about this disease is how lonely it becomes. You see old people, young people, middle-aged people, just slowly wither away. There’s no family, there’s no one here to just sit by their side and hold their hand."

[quote]Laura Merrill, whose father died of COVID-19 last weekend: "I was hysterical. It just started sinking in: We can’t have a funeral. We can’t mourn as a family. I have to stay in my apartment. My stepmother has to stay in her apartment. We can’t grieve."

Realistically, how do we get back to normal (or a new normal)? I cannot find any information about the length of immunity. If immunity only lasts a finite amount of time, and a vaccine (if feasible) is years off, and the virus is highly contagious - how does the virus die off or go away? I wish scientists would figure out how long immunity lasts. Apparently, SARS immunity lasts 2 to 3 years. For those more versed in epidemiology, what do you envision is our path forward.

For R191 -

A LETTER FROM LARRY KRAMER

WE MUST GET RID OF TRUMP IMMEDIATELY. Not tomorrow, not next week, but immediately.

He is destroying our country.

Each day he delivers yet another nail in the coffin that is his responsibility to guard and protect.

I realize that being an activist via facebook is not easy and probably not very effective and what we accomplished in the days of ACT UP is out of range now. Reading all the posts of what people are going through is heartbreaking and not very effective as an activist tool.

I’ve been trying to come up with some ways we can fight for ways to get rid of this murderer. Emailing every elected official is not going to do it. Whatever happened to Nancy Pelosi’s promise to put impeachment orders on the agenda appears to have disappeared just at a time when there must be enough congressional votes to support her. What’s happened to her? She seems to have turned into a weenie. All of Congress have turned into cowards. It’s just amazing to watch how much Trump can get away with it.

One idea I’ve had as this.

Many of us know some one person who is important (and probably a Republican). How can you shame him into action? I’ll give you an example. Jordan Roth, who owns Jujamcyn Theaters, is a friend of mine. Every actor in New York is beholden to him. His father Steven Roth is one of the richest men in the world. He is in business with Donald Trump. They own buildings together. I have tried to shame Jordan into action. “Take off all those dresses you seem to wear, get a haircut, and be a man and beg your father to help us,” I wrote to him. That’s the kind of tactic I’m thinking about. We did stuff like this all the time in ACT UP and it worked. We got the drugs. Go after the important person you name and shame him. Don’t be nice about it. Shame is a powerful tool to use.

I’d like to remind everyone that AIDS is still a virulent plague that’s infecting millions of people. Trump promised to get rid of it. Yeah. And put Pence in charge of that.

Too many of us are now living two plagues. What kind of monster allows such as this?

We have to get rid of this murderer. We have to find a way to do it fast.

r231, my cat has had Advantage or Revolution every spring, summer and fall since she was a kitten and she's now 20. We had a dog that died of heartworm in the 1970s. Never again.

Oh, Larry, You're so fierce. Come here.

They can grieve at home.

That’s harsh, but it’s the same as all these people that just “have” to go to church. You claim you’re god-fearing and faithful, but you don’t think you can talk to God in your house? Why not, he can’t hear you? Bad wi-fi connection?

I saw a movie from the 1930s recently. The father of the house sat down and read a Bible verse every evening to the family, assembled at the kitchen table. The adults all had their Bibles there, the children listened along. That’s the earliest form of church service. That was a pretty common form of church service back in the day, when people often lived in remote areas.

If you are alone, sit down at a set time every evening and read a bit of the Bible or your religious text out loud. Or fix up a small altar in your house. At a set time every night, pray at your altar.

Most people have a cross, a Bible, or a Koran or other holy book. They can make a small altar out of a small table, desk or niche in a corner. Put a couple of reminders of your religious belief there. Candles, a religious picture, or copy out a religious verse that has special meaning to you and put it in a frame. Put a tablecloth or pretty piece of fabric over the surface and arrange your religious items. It says in the Bible that people should pray in a closet in private. Time to try that out.

Some people seemed to have worked themselves up to believe that if you’re not praying in a crowd, it doesn’t count. That’s not true at all.

[Quote]“This is going to be the hardest and saddest week of most Americans’ lives. This is going to be our Pearl Harbor moment, our 9/11." Surgeon General Jerome Davis on Fox News Sunday this morning."

This is what our Surgeon General wrote on his Twitter at the beginning of February?

Roses are red

Violets are blue

Risk is low for #coronarvirus

But high for the #flu

So get your #FLUSHOT! 🙏🏽

The Sky was so Flu that Day.

R240 Is that real?

MOTHER?! MOTHER?!

Damn, BoJo's in the hospital now.

That's a big "if", Mr Gates (as quoted at r233). People are still up my ass at the grocery store, but you think everyone is going to social distance any better now than they've been doing?

The death toll will be far greater than anyone thinks.

CNN:

Fact-checking Trump's claims on national stockpile of medical supplies

The sky was so flu... so DL... so meta...

Advantage II should be safe for cats.

The reason for most of the cautions is due to the fact that it's totally safe at low doses, but CAN become a hazard if the cat consumes a large dose.

When you apply it to the back of their neck, it gets absorbed into the skin (forming an on-cat reservoir), then slowly excretes back out in sebum over the next few weeks. Little/none gets systemically absorbed through the skin itself.

One risk is that if you apply it to two cats who are able to groom each other before it gets absorbed, they might lick a large amount from the other cat and get ill. The caution is even greater if you have a dog, especially a large one. If you applied it to something like a cat-friendly doberman and allowed the cat access to the dog soon afterwards, it could absolutely lick off a quantity that would make it ill.

Think of it like nicotine-containing vape juice. When vaporized in small quantities, it's safe (at least, in the sense that consuming small amounts of nicotine isn't particularly dangerous). If you sat down and DRANK vape juice, you'd run a real risk of ending up having seizures, a heart attack, or both (among other nasty & unpleasant things). It's effective as an insecticide because it takes almost none to shut down an insect's nervous system, but takes a much larger amount to harm mammals.

Generally, you don't EVER want to use a "dog" flea product on a cat. Even if the list of active ingredients is the same, and the doses appear identical, there's always the risk that there might be an INACTIVE ingredient that's harmful to cats.

This is one of the things that has hampered research into finding an effective antiviral treatment for FIV. Everybody knows that human protease inhibitors, and most other HIV meds, effectively suppress FIV as well. The problem is, some of the OTHER ingredients that go into many human HIV meds to make them shelf-stable at room temperature (so they don't require refrigeration, and can be dosed as tablets or capsules instead of requiring injection) are unquestionably known to be toxic to cats.

The canine version of Frontline, in particular, must never, EVER be given to a cat. The feline version is an excellent and safe product for cats, but the canine version really shouldn't even be given to dogs who live in the same HOUSE as a cat, just due to the risk of a cat coming into contact with it.

Reuters:

UK PM Johnson admitted to hospital with persistent coronavirus symptoms

[Quote][R240] Is that real?

It sure is r242.

I love what people posted in response:

Roses are red

Violets are blue

You downplayed the threat

These deaths are on you

The cats have the advantage.

We've always known this.

I'm not saying I want a monarch, but watching the Queen's speech, I wish the US had someone who could do that right now.

I mean, even George W Bush could have pulled it off.

Boris Johnson admitted to hospital.

His illiteracy seems even worse when an address like that is given. He has no capacity to offer anything to the country. For God’s sake man, just go!

Tragically, R246, I'm afraid you're right.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 5 - 4:40 PM EST

🌴 PALM SUNDAY

GLOBAL: 1,265,976

DEATHS: 69,047

CASES: 45,530

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 332,993

DEATHS: 9,258

CRITICAL: 8,262

I'm being following the Worldometer website. On about March 14 the entire country had just over 14,000 active cases, and California, where I live, it was a fraction of that. Now, 3 weeks later, California has 14,000+ cases. If this thing is not slowed down, CA could have the total 333,017 cases that the US has today. Sobering thought.

One good thing resulting form the stay at home measures that began 3 weeks ago, the CA death rate per million is much lower than other states. Our death rate is lower than Louisiana.

Got a bad feeling about Boris. There were rumbling rumours earlier today about how awful he was looking and reports that he was ‘coughing and spluttering’ through video meetings. He admitted to still having a high temperature but was downplaying his condition. Feeling uneasy now that hospitalisation confirmed.

R258, doesn't Louisiana have a relatively higher rates of underlying health conditions like diabetes and obesity than other states that are particularly problematic with regard to COVID-19?

I'm worried too r259. Ten days and no let up of symptoms is no bueno. His pregnant gf has the virus as well.

R260, very possibly. They also were all reveling at Mardi Gras while the virus was taking hold.

BoJo IN hospital.

Dumbass might skip the klan rally today.

Interesting article about ventilators The majority who go on them do not recover.

WaPo's Fenit Nirappil:

D.C. projects a coronavirus surge in July instead of mid-April because the city government relies on a model that assumes many people will not comply with social distancing. Yesterday's crowds at the fish market are a prime example of that.

(The fish market was closed after yesterday's shameful display.)

Suggestion:

Coronavirus Freakout 32: The Exterminating Angel

(Luis Bunuel's 1962 surrealist classic is very real now).

I’m in DC and those fish markets photos went viral almost immediately here. I think for the most part that people have been following social distancing guidelines here. But that group of idiots was kind of a wake-up call.

I would recommend for the new thread: Death Becomes U.S.

Is there anything they sell at those fish markets that are so fucking good that people would risk being infected? I hope those idiots at that DC fish markets are shamed publicly like we shame Trumptard idiots who disregard warnings. There are some people in that photo from R266 who look like they may have diabetes and hypertension, they don't look all that fit to be taking chances of getting infected. There is dumbassery in both Dem and Rep areas, that much is obvious.

The United States Department of Agriculture’s (USDA) National Veterinary Services Laboratories has confirmed SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19 in humans) in one tiger at a zoo in New York. This is the first instance of a tiger being infected with COVID-19. Samples from this tiger were taken and tested after several lions and tigers at the zoo showed symptoms of respiratory illness.

Public health officials believe these large cats became sick after being exposed to a zoo employee who was actively shedding virus. The zoo has been closed to the public since mid-March, and the first tiger began showing signs of sickness on March 27. All of these large cats are expected to recover. There is no evidence that other animals in other areas of the zoo are showing symptoms.

Why is Trump of all people immune to this? He is 72, overweight and eats junk food.

Apparently #FireFauci is trending on Twitter and maybe humanity is beyond saving.

Not on the Los Angeles trends R273.

If Trump had C-19, like we would ever even know. Those people lie about absolutely everything.

The majority of American C19 deaths won't be next week. It'll be NEXT YEAR. Quite ironically, after we'll probably HAVE multiple effective treatment regimens (especially when it's caught early and treated aggressively), and maybe even after a virus exists.

Why? Right now, if you think you have it, you can run to the hospital & they'll treat you unquestionably along with everyone else, and everyone is so freaked out about it, they WILL run to the hospital. Next year, we'll be back to the American healthcare norm, where you don't go anywhere NEAR a hospital unless you LITERALLY see the grim reaper impatiently tapping his foot, because you know that even with good insurance, the moment they slap that wristband on you, you're going to end up hundreds or thousands of dollars poorer AND (in some cases, almost worse) be dealing with a seemingly ENDLESS torrent of itemized bills (because even within a hospital, everyone bills separately).

So... people will get it, figure they CAN wait since "there are now treatments", and end up waiting too long. Or they'll arrive, and go from "seriously ill" to "code blue" waiting for the billing department to figure out whether they're sick enough to HAVE to be treated, or whether they can be turned away and told to go elsewhere. Or while the hospital is on the phone trying to get pre-auth from the insurer to do a chest CT scan or MRI on-site, instead of scheduling an appointment at the insurer's designated outpatient imaging provider.

The American fatalities won't be an explosion, they'll be a tsunami. Remember, the dangerous part of a tsunami isn't really a single big wall of water crashing down (most of the time, the water crashes down long before it reaches the shore). Rather, it's the post-crash flow of water surging inland... and surging inland... and continuing to surge inland for several minutes, instead of reversing direction and flowing back out to sea a few seconds later. A block inland from the beach, most tsunamis are just inland floods, and aren't even necessarily all that deep... but the water MOVES, and drags stuff along with it. That's the metaphor to envision for C19 in America next summer.

Or maybe it'll even happen this Christmas. The virus will resurge due to Thanksgiving travel, and most people will get treated... but infected people will be EVERYWHERE spreading it around, so that people will get infected around December 18-22, go into Christmas Eve feeling kind of sick, and defer getting treatment because they won't want to ruin everyone else's Christmas... then they'll end up ruining everyone's Christmas for the next 20 years by dying a day or two later.

Ugh, r276 typo. The last paragraph of the first sentence should end with, "... after a VACCINE exists".

Fire Fauci for what? Because he's not kissing the Orange Fuhrer's ass?

We already know it is going to taper off R276 and then come back with a vengeance.

Official counts understate the U.S. coronavirus death toll:

R279, it will not come back with a vengeance. It will never be as bad as it is right now because so many people will have had it. You do not get the same cold twice in your lifetime and you're not getting this twice in your lifetime. Stop being a fucking drama queen.

CNN:

Mark Esper defends removal of Navy captain

Yale white board presentation of Covid-19. It may explain why some people have only minor symptoms and others are more severe.

Of course he does, R282, he's one of trump's "acting" ass-kissing trump pleaser.

Stop being an idiot R281.

wow approaching 10K deaths

USDA: “Anyone sick with COVID-19 should restrict contact with animals, *out of an abundance of caution including pets,* during their illness, just as they would with other people."

a gay hero:: Ireland’s premier Leo Varadkar has re-registered as a medical practitioner and will work one shift a week during the coronavirus crisis, Reuters reports.

Varadkar worked as a doctor for seven years before becoming a politician.

According to the Irish Times, the Taoiseach re-registered in March as the outbreak spread and will work in Ireland’s Health Service Executive.

Varadkar is reportedly helping out with phone assessments, as anybody who may have been exposed to the virus is initially assessed over the phone

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Do those people that want to fire Fauci think if he’s fired, the virus will miraculously go away? Do they think the world is like one of those Grimm’s Fairy Tales where you kill the witch and everything magically goes back to normal? Unbelievable.

I guess they subscribe to the “it’s not my responsibility at all” theory of Trump. While Fauci stood there in the background and grimaced as Trump lied, misled people and withheld supplies.

R281, you can almost unquestionably get it again. Maybe not right away, but eventually. And the evidence seems to be that having a mild case once doesn't necessarily guarantee that future cases will be equally mild.

Perfect example: influenza. Most people who die from it while elderly have LITERALLY had it dozens of times in their life by that point. All "novel" means in this case is that it spreads like wildfire, because nearly everyone who gets exposed to it is likely to end up catching it. In the future, the spreading rate might slow down, because you'll always have some random subset of the population at any given time that still has residual immunity from their previous encounter.

What I'm arguing is that the REAL wave of deaths will be sustained and in slow motion... long after people have stopped living in fear of it, and instead have started to just write it off as something they've had a few times that ended up being "nothing". THAT is when people who wouldn't have died from it with upcoming treatments WILL die from it, because they won't bother to even SEEK those treatments until it's too late.

R281 - I read a long interview last week with an epidemiologist MD who used to be a high-up official in the FDA, I think. He was talking about the long-range needs for dealing with this virus. He said that the science indicates that people who gain immunity from a low-dose exposure, and don't become seriously ill, would likely only be immune for a period of time, and that the immunity would wear off; he said he couldn't speculate about how long such immunity would last. The cycling of infection would not stop until a vaccine could confer permanent or long-term immunity.

R266 This is why we need to shut EVERYTHING down now, like China did. This voluntary shit, appealing to people to please stay home, pretty please does not work because people are assholes and will keep doing whatever they want as long as they are allowed to. It’s too late for what Korea did with widespread testing, contact tracing and isolating everyone who tests positive. Our choices now are either shut everything down or accept prolonged waves of this epidemic and increasing daily death tolls for weeks or months.

A friend who is in Spain right now, in Madrid, told me this afternoon that she and her husband can't walk out of their building together, nor walk on the sidewalk together, without getting a ticket from the police. You can only go out to buy food or medicine, and only by yourself.

R281, the Spanish flu had its initial outbreak in the Spring of 1918. Then it tapered off in the summer before coming back with a more deadly wave in the fall. Why wouldn't that be a possibility with COVID-19?

It *is* a possibility, R295, but no one is sure how it will go. The virus is spreading in Australia, where it's summer now, so there is reason to think that the warm weather may not put much of a dent in its ability to spread. (It's also spreading in Indonesia, which is in the tropics).

Why don't all you armchair quarterbacks stop fucking speculating? Don't you get enough tragedy porn from CNN that you don't have to make this thread your personal Nifty space?

The epidemiologist interview I referred to in R292 seemed very confident that, whatever the virus does in the summer, it will return hard in September.

NYC surgeon reveals workers forced to ration care for non-coronavirus patients

A Columbia University surgeon has described in a heart-wrenching letter how he and other doctors are now being forced to choose which non-coronavirus patients, including infants, deserve medical procedures.

“We have had to make decisions that I personally have never had to contemplate before,” Manhattan Dr. Emile Bacha wrote to friends and coworkers, according to CNN. “We have had to ration care and make decisions about who is considered an urgent or emergent case.”

Bacha — director of pediatric and congenital cardiac surgery at Columbia University Irving Medical Center in Washington Heights — said his pediatric-heart-surgery program is down to one operating team, and “only truly life-threatening problems are allowed.”

“We have to decide what to do about endless other cases, such as shunt-dependent infants, children with ventricular septal defects in heart failure, teenagers with bad valves, and so on — all families in need, looking for our help,” Bacha wrote.

The hospital recently gave new guidelines to its workers saying that nurses must focus on coronavirus care, leaving countless other procedures and surgeries to be postponed or canceled.

Across the country, states, have ordered the delay of non-urgent procedures, according to the Ambulatory Surgery Center Association, in an effort to combat the outbreak.

Mrs. Kittner from Jaws dead from COVID-19

R299 I’ve been wondering just what kind of ‘elective’ surgeries and procedures have been getting cancelled, and how many over the past couple of weeks.

CNN:

Blackwell presses pastor: How can you be pro-life and keep your church open?

[quote]several lions and tigers at the zoo showed symptoms of respiratory illness.

I wonder what symptoms they are showing? Fever, decreased O2, cough? How do you check a tiger’s temperature and 02 levels? Do they cough? They can’t tell you if they have body aches. I guess they might get lethargic and less active, and maybe eat less.

[quote] I wonder what symptoms they are showing?

They're probably getting on IG Live and documenting their every minute.

Coronavirus Truthers!

> How do you check a tiger’s temperature and 02 levels?

Very, very carefully. The hardest part is attaching the pulse oximeter to their penis or vagina. No, seriously... that's the preferred location to attach an oximeter, though obviously it only works for cats that are EXTRAORDINARILY debilitated and/or sedated.

[quote]Got a bad feeling about Boris. There were rumbling rumours earlier today about how awful he was looking and reports that he was ‘coughing and spluttering’

How long has it been since he tested positive? A week to 10 days after diagnosis is when you start to go downhill if you’re going to be one of the ones who get severely ill.

[quote] How long has it been since he tested positive? A week to 10 days after diagnosis is when you start to go downhill if you’re going to be one of the ones who get severely ill.

I handled it much better!

Lung-draining ‘turning teams’ may be the next evolution in COVID-19 care

As they became inundated with patients suffering severe respiratory distress from the coronavirus last month, a group of nurses at a Long Island hospital snapped into action and created a “turning team.”

The eight-member squad at Huntington Hospital — including nurses, doctors and orderlies — works to turn critically ill patients in the throes of COVID-19 on their stomachs to allow gravity to remove mucus buildup in their lungs.

“We think this is helpful because in other similar lung conditions, we have found it to work in the past,” said Michael Grosso, the medical director. “Keeping patients prone opens both the airways and gets more oxygen into air sacs and improves circulation to the lungs.”

The relatively simple procedure, which is also being used in some New York City hospitals when overwhelmed staff is available, was found to help patients at the epicenter of the outbreak in Wuhan, China, according to a study published last week by the American Thoracic Society’s “American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine.”

A lung specialist at NYU Langone told The Post that the hospital is “proning patients” both in and out of intensive care.

“Most of the proning we are doing is manual and takes several people to do,” said Dr. Daniel Sterman.

Although some hospitals have special beds that will turn the patients automatically, patients who are intubated and hooked up to a respirator and other life-saving devices need to be turned manually, with the aid of a dedicated team, health care professionals said.

“Don’t forget that these are patients who are usually already receiving mechanical ventilation, with a breathing tube in their wind pipe, and tubes that are placed into their blood vessels, and when you are turning a patient under those circumstances, it requires several people,” said Grosso, whose 270-bed hospital has 200 patients suffering from COVID-19.

[quote]There were rumbling rumours earlier today about how awful he was looking and reports that he was ‘coughing and spluttering’

Oh, is he sick?

R307 Guy reporting from London on CNN says BoJo hasn’t been looking well recently but then he never looks particularly well.

I wonder if people are being put on ventilators too soon for the circumstances, especially since once they are on, they are on for a long time. Under normal conditions, there is some baseline that determines being put on a ventilator to rest the lungs and force more oxygen. But that's when there are enough ventilators to go around. Do we know if hospitals changed their normal protocols for assigning a patient to a ventilator early on in anticipation of the dearth of ventilators to come?

Influenza mutates very quickly. Every year’s seasonal influenza is basically a new bug. You won’t get the same flu strain twice though. The 1918 flu didn’t come back because people were reinfected. It came back because it started in the spring of 1918 and flu doesn’t spread well in warm weather so very few people got immunity on the first Evidence so far is that Coronavirus mutates slowly, which is great news.

R228 Another Irish guy returning to doctoring is Olympic rower, Philip Doyle.

David Lat is on the mend. Excellent news.

Open questions -

1) Can reinfections occur in the time between initial infection and significant antibodies?

2) Can SARS-CoV-2 remain in the system and surface later to cause problems? (Think herpes zoster with chicken pox first and then shingles later or HPV with cancer)

3) How long will immunity last? (Let’s hope this is an open question for a long, long, long time.)

I highly doubt that anyone on a respirator was put on prematurely. For heaven's sake, haven't you heard, there's a shortage? You know, as in running out.

The brother and SIL with the small business who were trying to re-finance mid-March said their small business loan application was much easier than my niece’s homework portal fwiw, but they are tight with their bank.

R317, my point was whether there was an actual ethical discussion about waiting longer than they normally would have under regular circumstances, knowing what was coming. Like, if usually on a scale of 1 to 10 of respiratory distress, you are put on a ventilator at 5 out of an overabundance of caution, a decision was made to wait until it reached 6 or 7 now while they tried everything they could to keep that person off a ventilator that would be in huge demand in the very near future hoping they could keep them from taking up a ventilator?

I remember NYC mayor was asking people to go to chinatown in Jan coz nobody was going there...in fact they did not cancel the chinese new year parade...he also delayed closing of schools...worst mayor ever!

😞 "Hardest & Saddest Week"

Trump has no one to blame but himself.

America blames him, too.

Chinatown in New York was safer than New Rochelle.

Open questions -

1) Can reinfections occur in the time between initial infection and significant antibodies?

2) Can SARS-CoV-2 remain in the system and surface later to cause problems? (Think herpes zoster with chicken pox first and then shingles later or HPV with cancer)

3) How long will immunity last? (Let’s hope this is an open question for a long, long, long time.)

Open questions -

1) Can reinfections occur in the time between initial infection and significant antibodies?

2) Can SARS-CoV-2 remain in the system and surface later to cause problems? (Think herpes zoster with chicken pox first and then shingles later or HPV with cancer)

3) How long will immunity last? (Let’s hope this is an open question for a long, long, long time.)

"I highly doubt that anyone on a respirator was put on prematurely."

People can't breath and feel like they're suffocating. This must be a horrible feeling and I'm sure doctors know when patients need the ventilator and the relief.

TMZ @TMZ · 1m 'Jaws' Actress Lee Fierro, Alex Kintner's Mom, Dead at 91 from Coronavirus

Pat Robertson would like you to know that oral sex is the reason that this is happening. Curiously, oral sex being performed on women, so apparently it wasn't our fault.

[quote]Lung-draining ‘turning teams’ may be the next evolution in COVID-19 care

I've been wondering if they might consider using the same kind of chest PT that people with cystic fibrosis get. I lost a friend earlier this year who had CF but had gotten a lung transplant a number of years ago. I've been thinking a lot about how scary this would have been for her.

Johnson’s pregnant fiancee also has symptoms.

R316, as for how long immunity lasts, apparently, antibodies are still present 15 years after infection with the original SARS. It's not clear, though, whether that feature is enough to prevent reinfection.

I just read an article that Italy accounts for a quarter of all the deaths worldwide. Fucking hell.

R330 that's nothing compared to what numbers the US will have when this is all said and done

Now they're reporting that pink eye may be yet another symptom of coronavirus. They also say it may be a sign that a person will have a severe bout with the disease.

r312, a lot of kerfuffle has been made about ventilators (which reportedly aren't saving that many COVID-19 patients as the virus fucks up their lungs so badly that by the time they need a ventilator it's more likely than not that they're going to die while on it) but the really crucial thing that's needed and that there's a looming shortage of is medical oxygen.

Once we get past the "hardest and saddest week," what percentage of people will think, "well, that's that," and begin socializing again, disregarding space, numbers of people in groups, throwing away their masks and so forth? The government's stating what a bad week it'll be is closing the door on "the problem," and beginning another round of community spread. On or about May 1st we truly will be shouting May Day!

Here is the link to regulations for medical oxygen. It would take a company months to comply with the thousands of regulations.

The FDA is a terrorist organization.

David Lat is the Rula Lenska of the Coronavirus Era.

The thing about medical oxygen is, if push truly comes to shove, welding-grade and SCUBA-grade oxygen is abundant, and arguably no more dangerous to breathe than New York's normal polluted air. It's mostly just about enforcing ideal standards & having proper certifications.

Put another way, a hospital isn't allowed to buy, say, SCUBA-grade oxygen for normal use... but it's not going to intentionally suffocate patients by refusing to use lesser-grade O2 if that's literally all that's available, and the alternative were nearly-certain death.

I'm not sure, but I suspect large hospitals have their own on-site large-scale oxygen concentrators anyway.

At the end of the day, the only difference between "regular" and "medical grade" stuff is usually just paperwork & official certification... 99.999% assurance, vs 99.995% assurance.

Lord Bath has died from the coronavirus

R291 People get the flu multiple times in their lives because of the different strains of the flu virus. Not only different strains but influenza viruses mutate in a specific mechanism that leads to fast mutation rates, something that the SARS-CoV-2 virus isn't capable of doing.

Fauci says coronavirus deaths will keep rising even as new U.S. cases stabilize

R340, all I have to say to that is 'duh!' That's like reporting that sick people die. Shocking.

My cousin tested Poz, is on a ventilator and on a malaria drug as we speak. She’s doing better.

A week ago: 2,438 deaths (cumulative total, hospital-certified) in USA:

Tonight (Palm Sunday): 9,562.

R343 Oh boo hoo. Spain has had more than that many deaths (per capita) over the past two days.

Wait and see, 344, wait and see.

What's Trump going to say after the very sad week coming up? "OK, it's over. We won! Let's open everything up. Go on back to work! Remember what I did for you this week and vote for me in November.

There's not enough winning for R344 !

So, NY state issued a lockdown on March 22nd, which was a Sunday, exactly 2 weeks ago. Today is the first day we're seeing a drop in cases, deaths and hospitalizations.

I'm nervously optimistic about this - the timing is too coincidental, don't you think? Symptoms can take up to 14 days to appear.

so Trump was cutting off Fauci today in the press conference?

he keeps hyping up drugs that haven't been fully tested yet

kudos to CNN's hottie Jeremy Diamond for keeping his foot on Trump's fat orange neck

[quote]I'm nervously optimistic about this - the timing is too coincidental, don't you think? Symptoms can take up to 14 days to appear.

We've been told to prepare for this being the worst week.

R326, please see R300.

Has he ever acknowledged the 10k dead Americans and offered "thoughts and prayers" to the families? A true leader would not only talk about the economy or bogus drugs or "ungracious" governors, he would address the families who lost lived ones and offer them support and condolences. A real leader would also unite the country and Americans in a time like this and forget petty political rivalries.

In Texas City, Texas this weekend, an assisted living residency was discovered to have 83 CD19 cases. I'm waiting for hundreds and hundreds like them to be discovered. They are out there.

[quote]Has he ever acknowledged the 10k dead Americans and offered "thoughts and prayers" to the families?

Come on, do you need to ask that?

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 5 - 9:10 PM EST

🌴 PALM SUNDAY

🌐 GLOBAL:

CASES: 1,272,861

DEATHS: 69,424

CRITICAL: 45,619

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES,: 336,673

DEATHS: 9,616

CRITICAL: 8,702

Good to see you posting here VOTN, and contributing. Nice to see old friends from earlier DL. Hope all is well.

R303, from the CNN article: "The 4-year-old female Malayan tiger tested positive after developing a dry cough and is expected to recover, the Wildlife Conservation Society's Bronx Zoo said in a news release."

Since animals like dogs and now a tiger can contract COVID-19, I wonder if mosquitos can get it too. Mosquito season is about to start.

Nominee for thread 32 - NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN

The Cormac McCarthy novel and film. Given men over 80 are far and away the most likely to die from the plague.

Wow! What a class act Queen Elizabeth is and her speech from the heart will be remembered. She makes a certain person look like pond scum.

Thank you for posting that R228.

R346 "What's Trump going to say after the very sad week coming up?"

Happy Easter!

' She makes a certain person look like pond scum.'

FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF

WE DO NOT WANT THE INSANE KLAN GRANNIES HERE

FUCK THE FUCK OFF

PLEASE F AND F THE EVIL RACIST R360

Sorry. I meant r223.

Just yesterday they were telling us pets were immune. Today it's .. NEVER MIND. Beware the so-called "experts".

Wouldn't we be hearing thousands of stories of sick pets from all over the world if it was making pets sick?

362 is trying to get this thread shot down or me blocked. They are some very bad people running things on this board.

I think one or two dogs, one cat, and now a tiger have tested positive. That would indicate that animals CAN get it, but probably aren't likely to.

R366, you are one of those Meghan Markle hating maniacs and they are NOT welcome on these covid threads. Take your racist hatred to the brf threads please. Meghan was who you meant by 'pond scum'. If you'd meant Trump you'd have said so. Fuck off, racist cunt.

Seven lionhead rabbits have also tested positive.

I hope not animals. I have a friend who is married but his dog is his whole life. Both have been sick recently.

I had to think twice about r360’s post. At first I thought he might have meant Meghan Markle, but that didn’t make any sense in the context of this thread. So I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was referring to Dump. So r360, who were you referring to?

If you do not want that content in the thread R371, why are you bringing it up again? Move on, and quit being dramatic.

' At first I thought he might have meant Meghan Markle, but that didn’t make any sense in the context of this thread. So I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was referring to Dump'

Nope. They didn't say Meghan Markle because they know it wouldn't be received well whereas everyone slags off Trump 24/7. Check their posting history and you'll see they are bitching about Meghan on other threads too.

Thanks, r373. Well, screw me for being an optimist. R360 is now blocked.

R372, but, but, I’m a Broadway actor!

So when can we expect an announcement from Pat Robertson announcing that he has tested positive?

Hopefully he's tested positive for death, r376.

371, are you serious this is a political thread and I didn’t feel like typing his name but of course I meant Rump. Are you one of those crazy people who got all the MM threads deleted?

I bet Pat Robertson ever asked Oral Roberts how he got his first name?

The Russian Trolls or whatever they are crying racism that is not there.

Hope your cousin pulls through ok, R342.

Reuters @Reuters · 9m South Korea reports fewer than 50 new coronavirus cases for first time since Feb. 29 peak: KCDC

Muriel, please block the loud all-caps poster at r362, who infects nearly every thread with their insane threats and rants.

I don’t know what’s insane about mentioning the Queen was much more inspirational and eloquent than the Orange Menace, but ok R362. It doesn’t take much.

I think of Obama and how well he would have handled the compassionate end of this. Or any Democrat really. Even some Republicans. Trump is a psychopath and he has no compassion for anybody. He just hasn’t got it in him. Neither do any of his family. His grandkids are probably going to grow up to be corporate raiders at best, series killers at worst. I’m not even kidding. What horrible genes.

I'm worried sick about the great apes getting Covid. The gorillas, orangutans and chimps could be wiped out. I know that gorillas have to have park rangers following them to keep poachers away, but what if the rangers are infected? I've heard that the gorilla tours in Ruwanda have been stopped and I hope it's true.

R362, you can’t really support Trump yet attack supposed “racists.” That’s just . . . Insane.

Why is everyone on this thread all of a sudden confused?

The Seattle Times @seattletimes · 2m As the novel coronavirus outbreak explodes — and in a major U.S. election year, no less — other states are looking at Washington's vote-by-mail system as a potential model.

I really don't give a shit about the fucking Queen, why hasn't she donated any money to help her people? She's worth billions, ain't she? Talk is cheap! She and the fucking royal layabouts are doing fuck all...they are benefit scroungers!

The mosquito question is an interesting one. But in general, I wish the "experts" could get their shit together once and for all and declare something only when they know it. You don't need masks, you do need masks. N95 are the only ones that will work. A ripped up old t-shirt will be just fine. Animals can't get. Animals are getting it. The need for 24/7 news is causing harm and nothing else.

Bloomberg @business · 10m Japanese PM Shinzo Abe is set to declare a state of emergency within days, media reports say. Coronavirus cases in Tokyo jumped over the weekend to top 1,000 for the first time raising worries of a more explosive surge

Now other animals?

I hate humanity. Truly.

Is it blowing up in the red states yet?

Oregon has vote by mail too and it is fucking awesome. You can take your time and research then fill the ballot out when convenient. We can either mail it in or drop it off at a drop box.

[quote]R389 I really don't give a shit about the fucking Queen, why hasn't she donated any money to help her people? She's worth billions, ain't she? Talk is cheap! She and the fucking royal layabouts are doing fuck all...they are benefit scroungers!

They are indeed disgusting.

R394 And then when the candidate you voted for drops out of the race you can reflect on the fact that your awesome mailed-in vote was 100% wasted.

Oh God! If this can be transferred by mosquitos I'm never going out again.

Rump blocks Fauci from answering question

[quote]Seven lionhead rabbits have also tested positive.

Why the fuck are they testing rabbits when sick humans can't even get tested?

[Quote] Why the fuck are they testing rabbits when sick humans can't even get tested?

It may have something to do with Easter being next week. And lionhead rabbits are fucking adorable.

R389 thank you !

really not sure why the US press is in such awe over Lizzy speaking out. Is she more graceful than Trump? DUH

does it matter what she says in the US? no.

I'll never understand or like how many Americans are obsessed with that inbred leeching family. Anyone's better than Trump. Doesn't make Lizzy great at all

I could be the last person some of these patients ever see, or the last voice they hear. A lot of people will never come off the ventilator. That’s the reality of this virus. I force myself to think about that for a few seconds each time I walk into the ICU to do an intubation.

This is my entire job now. Airways. Coronavirus airways. I’m working 14 hours a night and six nights a week. When patients aren’t getting enough oxygen, I place a tube down their airway so we can put them on a vent. It buys their body time to fight the virus. It’s also probably the most dangerous procedure a doctor can do when it comes to personal exposure. I’m getting within a few inches of the patient’s face. I’m leaning in toward the mouth, placing my fingers on the gums, opening up the airway. All it takes is a cough. A gag. If anything goes badly, you can have a room full of virus.

Our team had a meeting on March 16th to figure out a staffing plan, once it was clear where this was going. Chicago’s becoming a hot spot now. Our ICU is almost full with covid patients. The pediatric ICU has been cleared out to handle overflow. The wave is just starting, and we need to limit our exposure or we’re going to run out of staff. Everyone basically agreed we should dedicate one person to covid intubations during the day and another at night, and I started thinking: I’m 33 years old. I don’t have any kids at home. I don’t live with older relatives. About an hour after the meeting, I emailed my supervisor. “I’m happy to do this. It should be me.”

Continued:

I’ve been shocked sometimes when I walk in and see the patients. Most of the ones I’ve intubated are young — 30s, 40s, 50s. These are people who walked into the ER because they were coughing a day or two ago, or sometimes hours ago. By the time I come into the room, they are in severe respiratory distress. Their oxygen level might be 70 or 80 percent instead of 100, which is alarming. They are taking 40 breaths a minute when they should be taking 12 or 14. They have no oxygen reserves. They are pale and exhausted. It puts them in a mental fog, and sometimes they don’t hear me when I introduce myself. Some are panicky and gasping. Others are mumbling or incoherent.

The first thing I do is pull up a stool and get right down to their level at the bed. Most of the time, the look in their eyes is fear. But sometimes, honestly, it is relief, like, “Thank God. I can’t do this anymore.” They don’t have the energy to be hysterical.

I put an oxygen mask on the patient and give 100 percent oxygen for a few minutes. You want to tank them up, because they won’t be able to breathe on their own. Next I give medication to put them to sleep. We’re trained to touch the eyelashes a bit to make sure they’re down. Then I give a muscle relaxer and take a look down the airway for the vocal cords. When I start to put the tube in, that gives an opportunity for the virus to release into the air. The patient’s airway is wide open at that point — no mask or anything. People can cough when the tube goes in toward the trachea, a deep, forceful cough. My mask and hood can get covered in fluid. Usually it’s tiny droplets. Aerosolized virus can float around. You’re basically right next to the nuclear reactor. I go in confident and fast, because if you miss on the first try, you have to do it again, and then you’re bringing out a ton more virus.

R249 I think you should do some research before you give veterinarian advice. This is the very reason no one should take some anonymous schmuck's "advice" on the internet. R249 look up the ingredients of the cat and the dog versions of Frontline Plus or Frontline, it is the exact same ingredients and strength, fipronil and methoprene, it only differs in the amount of product between the two. Are you a fucking vet? Stop acting like it. This time it would not have hurt the animal but your ADVICE next time could kill.

The Queen is of interest because she is of an age group for whom this appears to be largely fatal.

An appearance by her is an appearance on behalf of her generation.

#3

Each night I try to do rounds with the doctors in the ICU to check on the patients I’ve intubated. They’re not allowed to have family or visitors. Mostly they’re unconscious on the vent, but each day for an hour or two they get what we call a sedation holiday, which means we bring down their medications so we can check on their baseline level of consciousness and see how they’re doing on their own. In other words, for a little while, they might wake up.

They can’t talk with the tube in, but I have seen a few patients before write messages on a piece of paper. “Vent?” Or: “Surgery?” Or: “How much longer?”

Usually, before this, patients would be on a vent for three to five days. Now we’re seeing 14 to 21. Most of these people have acute respiratory distress syndrome. There’s inflammation, scar tissue, and fluid building up in the lungs, so oxygen can’t diffuse easily. No matter how much oxygen you give them, it can’t get through. It’s never enough. Organs are very sensitive to low oxygen. First comes kidney failure, then liver failure, and then brain tissue becomes compromised. Immune systems stop working. There’s a look most people get, called mottling, where the skin turns red and patchy when you only have a few hours left. We have a few at that point. Some have been converted to “do not resuscitate.”

R403, that reads like a horror story. Fuck all those people acting like this pandemic isn't a big deal and that we have to get back to work to "save the economy". Fuck them, and fuck this economy if it means people dying needlessly, alone and in fear.

Anyone been wondering WEHT Rudy Giuliani? He’s been busy as always. This time he’s been in Trump’s ear hyping ‘hydroxy.’

[quote] Rudolph W. Giuliani, who was in the center of the impeachment storm earlier this year as an unpaid private attorney for President Trump, has cast himself in a new role: as personal science adviser to a president eager to find ways to short-circuit the coronavirus pandemic.

[quote]In one-on-one phone calls with Trump, Giuliani said, he has been touting the use of an anti-malarial drug combination that has shown some early promise in treating covid-19, the disease the novel coronavirus causes, but whose effectiveness has not yet been proved. He said he now spends his days on the phone with doctors, coronavirus patients and hospital executives promoting the treatment, which Trump has also publicly lauded.

[quote]“I discussed it with the president after he talked about it,” Giuliani said in an interview. “I told him what I had on the drugs.”

Two nutcases amping each other up, just like the good old Ukraine days. Only this time peoples’ lives are at risk.

Isn’t there SOMETHING that can be done about this psycho and his batshit crazy sidekick?

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 6 - 12:35 PM EST

🐟 NATIONAL TUNA DAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,274,022

DEATHS: 69,464

CRITICAL: 45,592

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 336,830

DEATHS: 9,618

CRITICAL: NOT UPDATED @ 8702

[quote]Fuck all those people acting like this pandemic isn't a big deal

Agreed, R407. One of the local news channels here in NYC tonight interviewed a doctor who advised that every person over the age of 18 should update their living will and make a plan in writing with regard to potential end-of-life issues. So yeah, this is most definitely a "big deal."

Really R402 You are doing all this to help people and you find time to post on DataLounge? Fake fucker troll!!!

North Korea is telling the world it doesn’t have a single, solitary case of coronavirus. It’d be hilarious if the lie didn’t stand for untold human suffering.

“Not one single person has been infected with the novel coronavirus in our country so far,” Pak Myong Su, a senior health official in North Korea, told AFP.

Right. North Korea’s only major trading partner is next-door China, where the epidemic started and which let the virus spread for weeks without raising any alarms. And its other neighbor, South Korea, has more than 10,000 confirmed cases.

Said Gen. Robert Abrams, commander of US forces in South Korea, “I can tell you that is an impossible claim based on all of the intel we have seen.”

Fine, the bizarro regime in Pyongyang eventually closed its borders and set up inspections and other precautions — but for all that it loves to pretend to supercompetence, the only thing it actually excels at is telling bald-faced lies.

North Korea never even ’fesses up about its periodic famines — even when it’s accepting massive emergency food aid. And it has reportedly asked for help fighting the virus now: Back in February, Russia said it sent 1,500 coronavirus diagnostic kits, at North Korea’s request, “due to the persisting risk of the new COVID-19.” Doctors Without Borders and UNICEF have both sent other supplies.

Most likely, the bug is spreading almost unchecked in a nation where routine malnutrition has left much of the populace immune-challenged and a beyond-rickety health-care system is collapsing.

Someday, when the people of North Korea are finally freed of the monsters who rule them, maybe the world will be able to distinguish the coronavirus mass graves from all the other evidence of routine atrocities.

R411, are you a moron? R402, R403, and R406 are a copy and paste of a Washington Post story (as cited in 406).

Too bad Trump isn’t capable of reading R403’s story and making sense out of it. But he isn’t.

My dad died shortly after being put on a ventilator years ago. After three weeks, they took me aside and said they would have to put in a permanent feeding tube and at that point I made them take him off it. He died after a few weeks.

He ended up having kidney failure and heart failure. They told me that the lungs, heart and kidneys are all connected in a way, that is, if one fails, the others fail too. If you don’t get enough oxygen it just kills your organs. Your heart pumps harder trying to move oxygen around but there isn’t enough, so it wears out. The organs are starved of oxygen so they fail. You end up with just everything collapsing all at once, but it’s slow and gradual.

When people are on ventilators they essentially put them in an artificial coma. They have to. People fight the ventilator or try to pull it out, they panic. They don’t really know what they’re doing. Of course these days people know what’s going on, but it’s very uncomfortable.

With that experience, I think it’s really interesting that they’re being so delicate and not really saying the truth, which is, if you go on a ventilator and are young and strong, you have a chance. But in most cases, if you’re old or have a lot of pre-existing conditions, you just fall apart from the inside out. People have the idea the ventilator is just a temporary helper. But it can’t put off the inevitable for people who don’t have a lot of stamina and good basic health. It’s not a cure all as they’re presenting it at all. Notice some countries are talking about not giving seniors ventilators at all. That’s why.

I wonder what the protocol is about taking people off the ventilator when they are not responding and somebody younger could be using that ventilator. At some point it’s going to have to be hospitals making decisions and not patients’ families, which is going to be a rude shock for these people that want their relatives on life support for years. We can’t do that now.

Trump wants so badly to discover the cure for The Corona, he would probably kill to get his tiny little mitts on it. Even Jared and Trump's Senior Advisor Donnie Jr. wouldn't be safe.

"There's never, ever been a U.S. President in history as great as me. I single handedly saved the world. Yes, that's right, the entire world!"

Is there some money to be made on pushing this malaria drug? It's gone beyond reason at this point. But isn't the drug readily available?

I'm just confused - and, knowing Trump, it seems like there is some money-making scheme from this.

[quote]A Rikers Island inmate died today following complications from #coronavirus, according to sources. So far, 4 NYC correction staff have also died. 273 inmates, 321 correction staff + 53 health workers have tested positive for #Covid_19. Half of the jail population is quarantined.

How the hell do you quarantine half the jail population? They’re two to a cell.

R416, the malaria drug is used today for lupus patients. It’s really important they stay on their drugs steadily without interruption or they get a flare up and can become seriously ill.

Their drugs put them in temporary remission, but any interruption blows that up, and then you don’t know how they’ll respond if they get them back. It’s like starting over again from square one.

I’ve read that thanks to Trump, they now can’t get their drugs, because doctors are writing scripts for it to make money And there are shortages. God knows what’s going to happen to them. And those drugs have horrible side effects, so if users aren’t carefully supervised, they could get heart damage or even die.

It seems really evident that Trump is making money off pushing drugs. So who’s paying him? The drug manufacturer? He’s so getting paid.

Yeah, there’s some shady reason behind him pushing that drug. Who knows. This is how I know we do t get “real” leaks from the White House. Just palace gossip.

I’m more interested in the medicine that starts with an R.

Corona map. NY looks like a gaping open wound. Halt of the total US corona deaths yesterday were in NY (594.)

The great president of the country, who once denied the existence of Corona, is fiddling " We're In The Money" at a manic pace, on the balcony of the White House, imagining how much money he can scoop up when Professors Jared and Don Jr. discover the cure!

R411 must be huffing gasoline again.

One of Trump’s economic advisers, Peter Navarro, is pushing this malaria drug. They don’t know if it works, but are far more interested in restoring the economy due to Trump’s re-election. Navarro hates Fauci for throwing cold water on touting the drug as a cure since it’s unproven.

R425 - Or they are pushing this as potential cure so they can shift the blame about ventilators and everything else on the medical establishment, saying that they could have used this earlier to cure people.

There's something fishy here. But the supporters will definitely believe the lie, so they have to come up with something.

BEIJING (Reuters) - Mainland China reported 39 new coronavirus cases as of Sunday, up from 30 a day earlier, and the number of asymptomatic cases also surged, as Beijing continued to struggle to extinguish the outbreak despite drastic containment efforts.

The National Health Commission said in a statement on Monday that 78 new asymptomatic cases had been identified as of the end of the day on Sunday, compared with 47 the day before.

Imported cases and asymptomatic patients, who have the virus and can give it to others but show no symptoms, have become China’s chief concern in recent weeks after draconian containment measures succeeded in slashing the infection rate.

Mainland China has now reported a total of 81,708 cases, with 3,331 deaths.

Daily infections have fallen dramatically from the peak of the epidemic in February, when hundreds were reported daily, but new infections continue to appear daily.

One nation didn't take advice from WHO. It's now the leader in containment due to good leadership, population that treats the viral threat seriously, and again, not taking anything that comes from WHO as the truth. No mask shortage there too, now they're exporting masks to the rest of the world.

I think Trump is pushing that drug because he spent 30 hours learning how to pronounce it so, damn it, he's gonna pronounce the shit out of it! Fucking imbecile.

Fuck off back to LSA Sharkeisha @ R362. You and your ilk are are a cancer here. This thread is about covid-19. No one GAF about your idol MM.

Peter Navarro is absolute scum.

He has stock in that pharmaceutical company.

Apparently ferrets can get infected too!

Update for Belgium. +185 deaths (1632). +1123 new cases (20814) in the last 24 hrs. The death toll is the highest so far. But there is a bit of hope as the number of people in intensive care decreased by 4. Still a ways to go here in Belgium

Guardian-Indonesia on Monday confirmed 218 new coronavirus cases, the biggest daily jump since the first cases were announced a month ago, taking the total number of infections to 2,491, a health ministry official said. Achmad Yurianto said 11 deaths had been recorded, taking the total to 209, while 192 people had recovered.

Meanwhile, the Philippines’ health ministry reported 11 additional deaths and 414 new infections on Monday from the coronavirus outbreak. Total deaths in the Philippines have reached 163, while cases rose to 3,660, with 73 patients recovered.

Animated link comparing daily Covid19 deaths to other causes.

The death count is all wrong...they were labeling pneumonia and flu in Feb and March when is all likelihood it was CV. We will never know.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 6 - 8:20 AM EST

🐟 NATIONAL TUNA DAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,287,112

DEATHS: 70,525

CRITICAL: 46,408

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 336,851

DEATHS: 9,620

CRITICAL: 8,702

The administrator of the first nursing home in Washington state tried to cover up the deaths from Corona, claiming that the were simply deaths due to "old age."

If you know anything at all about nursing homes, covering their tracks is typical behavior.

[quote]North Korea is telling the world it doesn’t have a single, solitary case of coronavirus.

Excuse me? So is WEST KOREA. But nobody wants to acknowledge that this President singlehandedly built the economy that we all see in front of us today by how he guided the country through this admittedly pretty bad flu breakout - in a way that no other president in the history of the presidency could have guided the country. We’re working 3/7 to get the message out but the Democrats want to hoax the election because they’re focused about guns and infectious illegals and media can’t hear it because they’re too busy reporting [italic]their[/italic]facts. Plus, these are some of the most humid conditions I’ve ever worked in but everything’s fine.

[quote]North Korea is telling the world it doesn’t have a single, solitary case of coronavirus.

Excuse me? So is WEST KOREA. But nobody wants to acknowledge that this President singlehandedly built the economy that we all see in front of us today by how he guided the country through this admittedly pretty bad flu breakout - in a way that no other president in the history of the presidency could have guided the country. We’re working 3/7 to get the message out but the Democrats want to hoax the election because they’re focused about guns and infectious illegals and media can’t hear it because they’re too busy reporting [italic]their[/italic]facts. Plus, these are some of the most humid conditions I’ve ever worked in but everything’s fine.

My favorite pointy haired bariatric surgeon has an interesting interview here with a Westchester surgeon who's treating COVID patients.

Is MSNBC any better than CNN for coverage? CNN’s grief porn is not helping. I’m hoping there’s coverage that is more fact focused than ‘tell me about your dead parents dying within days of each other?’ CNN just did that. I don’t know how it’s helping. I’m sure they’d rationalize it as if we tell these stories, people may think and reflect about their own choices and behaviours. Or, you can’t figure out how to fill time.

So I am watching this interview and as a non-American baffled. Why there is so much fighting over this drug? And why this trade guy trying so hard to sell it?

Mueller She Wrote figured it out. The government is buying Plaquenil from Novartis, which gave a lot of money to the slush fund set up by Michael Cohen.

An indication about the situation in India

Guardian-In Mumbai, India’s largest city, a major hospital was declared a coronavirus containment zone and closed to new patients, AFP reports. Three doctors and 26 nurses at the Wockhardt hospital tested positive for Covid-19, according to Vijay Khabale-Patil, a spokesman for the Mumbai city authority. “Three hundred staffers have been quarantined and the hospital is shut,” he told AFP.

Well, that’s grim.

That poor hospital staff! I wonder who treats them, since you’d think everyone in the city’s medical community is busy at their own hospitals and clinics.

r444, clearly Trump has been paid off by some manufacturer of the drug to pimp it.

Corona Virus Freakout 32: COVID's Metamorphoses

BTW, do Ignore-dar on the Lice Cream Troll. S/he is totally insane.

Super-crazy division troll.

[quote]I’m not going to get into my whole theory as to why this will work.

Thank god for small favors.

Lice Cream.

Ewwwwww!

Coronavirus Freakout 32: My Corona.

For those earlier in the thread wondering why they are testing animals -- it's because the worst case scenario is that this virus jumps species easily, which, if it does, means it will mutate much faster and in utterly unpredictable ways and we will never see an end to it. We'll be dealing with random outbreaks from now on, and each time it will be as bad as this or worse. Eventually it will produce a real killer and we will see the massive die-off that will end civilization. Most likely that real killer will come from birds, or smaller prey animals that huddle together in large numbers throughout the world like rats, rabbits, or mice.

I beg you... do not upset the Goddess with the temerity to make suggestions about the threads! Are you trying to get us all killed?

This needs to be done in major cities

I know nothing will happen, but there's a member of the Ohio House who stated she's going to as the Hague to investigate Trump for crimes against humanity for his bungling of this.

That's what we've come to.

Now the U of Washington forecasts only 81K deaths! Victory is mine!

The predictions of over 100,000 deaths was always too high in my opinion. Trump will declare personal victory when it ends up being lower.

‘Aliens’ actor Jay Benedict dead at 68 from coronavirus

Actor Jay Benedict, who appeared in “Aliens” and “The Dark Knight Rises,” is the latest celebrity to die from the coronavirus.

He was 68.

“It is with profound sorrow that we must announce Jay’s death on the 4th of April due to complications arising from a COVID-19 infection,” his official website announced.

His agency, TSG, also shared the news “with great sadness,” saying, “Our thoughts are with his family.” No further details were given.

Benedict appeared in a number of major movies, including as Newt’s father in James Cameron’s “Aliens,” and as “rich twit” in the final film of Christopher Nolan’s Batman trilogy, “The Dark Knight Rises,” IMDb shows.

The California-born actor had moved to Europe as a child and conceded that he sounded “more English than American.” In the UK, he found fame in one of the biggest TV soaps, “Emmerdale,” as well as TV detective drama “Foyle’s War,” and was married to actress Phoebe Scholfield.

His voice was as famous as his face, he conceded in his bio, having provided audio for documentaries, ads and video games.

“The irritatingly soothing voice requesting that you take your seat and switch off your mobile phone is quite probably him: so now you know who to blame,” his bio said of his voice-over work in announcements

Duran Duran bassist John Taylor took to Facebook on Sunday (April 5) to reveal that he had tested positive for coronavirus, and is currently on the mend.

Taylor was diagnosed with COVID-19 “three weeks ago,” and has been self-quarantining as per medical protocol.

“Perhaps I am a particularly robust 59 year old — I like to think I am — or was blessed with getting only a mild case of COVID-19, but after a week or so of what I would describe as a ‘Turbo-charged Flu’, I came out of it feeling okay,” wrote Taylor. “Although I must admit I didn’t mind the quarantine as it gave me the chance to really recover.”

“I am speaking out to answer to the enormous amount of fear being generated by the pandemic, some of it entirely justified, and my heart goes out to everyone who has had to deal with real loss and pain,” he continued. “But I want to let you know that it isn’t always a killer, and we can and will beat this thing.”

He concluded on a positive note, telling fans that he “cannot wait to be back onstage again.”

Duran Duran was formed in 1978 and went on to worldwide fame and acclaim during the 1980s and 1990s releasing such hits as “Is There Something I Should Know?,” “Planet Earth,” “Hungry Like the Wolf,” “Rio,” “The Reflex” and “Ordinary World” and “Come Undone,” among others.

The entertainment community has been rocked by the unpredictable virus, which has taken the life of Fountains of Wayne’s Adam Schlesinger, country star Joe Diffie, former Sony/ATV Music Publishing executive Neil Lasher, jazz legends Alan Merrill (who penned the hit “I Love Rock and Roll”), New Wave artist Cristina, jazz musicians Ellis Marsalis Jr. and Wallace Roney, and “Jaws” actor Lee Fierro. Celebrities who also tested positive for COVID-19 and are recovering include Bon Jovi keyboardist David Bryan, Pink, Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson and Jackson Browne. Marianne Faithful has been hospitalized in London and is being treated for the COVID-19 virus. She is “stable and responding.” Filed under cel

They seemed to have refreshed the IHME COVID-19 model. It used to show about 93,000 projected deaths in the US by August 2020, and now it has reduced the deaths to 81,000. (The model changes with new real-world information coming in.)

Ohio

It also shows an ending dates for death in Ohio to be May 1st instead of June 1st, and it reduced the projected deaths there as well. Total projected deaths for Ohio: 543. Total projected deaths for Michigan: 2,963.

R459 exactly. Setting disastrous expectations, and when he ends up only doing terribly, it looks good by comparison. That’s how he operates in normal life too. If he’s not completely fucking up, we say, “not bad for Trump.”

I'm not even a Warren fan, but read this interview with her if you want to feel enraged that we can't just march into the WH, kill the Orange Cancer, and install her as President today.

Novartis - Paid Michael Cohen 1.2 million for access to Trump in 2018 They are the makers of planequil Also some 2mill of Novartis stock purchased by Trump people in Feb

As much as I hate to say anything good about Donald Trump, I totally agree with his stance about promoting drugs like hydroxychloroquine (and starting any hour now, Ivermectin).

We now know of two drugs that are cheap, relatively abundant, have been used safely for years to treat other conditions, weak evidence that they might help, and good evidence that at worst, they're mostly a harmless waste of money if they don't.

We have an economy whose likelihood of exploding into 1970-style stagflation increases by the day, and people who are feeling hopeless & freaking out.

Under those circumstances, it's CRIMINAL to not widely encourage people to try those two drugs whenever nothing better is available, and possibly in addition to anything else that might be better and available. Collect the data, and disseminate it widely. With millions of people and a rich collection of data, the truth will rapidly become apparent... or at least, the dead ends will.

If the experiment fails, we're really no worse off than we'd have been anyway. If it works, we'll be enormously better off.

Truth be told, trials for a new vaccine are two+ orders of magnitude riskier than guerrilla mass trials of HCQ, Ivermectin, etc. There's the risk it'll cause harm of its own, and the risk it won't work. We'll unquestionably have a vaccine "soon", but doing nothing besides wait in the meantime while people are dying & the economy is going up in flames won't make things better.

The fact is, there are a LOT of drugs that don't work very well, and might not work at all, but we use them anyway because they're generally regarded as safe. Pretty much the entire "cold remedy" market falls into this category.

Go ahead, I dare you... cite peer-reviewed research indicating that phenyleprine is effective as a systemic decongestant. Or if you find one, find another that doesn't conclude that it's EGREGIOUSLY inferior at that task to pseudoephedrine or phenylpropanolamine.

Find anything that suggests antihistamines like diphenhydramine or chlorpheniramins do ANYTHING for a cold besides MAYBE knock you out enough to sleep & cheer you up a bit (hint: both are ACTUALLY antidepressants whose side effects are sedation & antichol.).

My point is, this isn't the time for long, formal studies. Get the drugs out there widely, make them readily available for both prophylaxis & treating mild cases, collect data from everyone, and publish that data quickly & frequently so the truth can organically emerge on its own.

Leave the FORMAL research studies to finding new/better drugs, and improving our use of the existing ones. Let the mass guerrilla studies quickly discern whether existing drugs, taken at dosages known to be safe already, are helpful or not AT those dosages.

It doesn't have to be black/white, either/or. We can, and should, pursue BOTH strategies with the utmost urgency and speed.

If this ends up being Trump's equivalent of making the trains run on time, so be it. He'll still be regarded as a failure. That doesn't mean his use of the office as a bully pulpit to raise awareness about those drugs is WRONG.

NYC to begin temporarily burying coronavirus victims in local parks

Officials will begin burying the city’s mounting coronavirus dead in local parks — as morgues and hospitals struggle to house the corpses, Councilman Mark Levine said Monday.

“Soon we’ll start ‘temporary interment’,” Levine (D-Manhattan) wrote in a series of tweets. “This likely will be done by using a NYC park for burials (yes you read that right). Trenches will be dug for 10 caskets in a line.”

“It will be done in a dignified, orderly–and temporary–manner. But it will be tough for NYers to take,” Levine wrote, adding in another tweet, “The goal is to avoid scenes like those in Italy, where the military was forced to collect bodies from churches and even off the streets.”

Mayor Bill de Blasio was asked about the grim matter during a coronavirus press briefing Monday at the Brooklyn Navy Yard.

“We may well be dealing with temporary burials, so we can deal with each family later,” the mayor said in response.

“I’m not going into details,” de Blasio said. “I don’t think it’s a great thing to be talking about.” Hizzoner added, “It’s going to be tough, but we have capacity.”

R466, I’m sure a lot of people will pile on and refute your position, but it definitely gave me a perspective to mull over.

The Trump's have a vested financial interest in the drugs for the instant miracle Corona cure ....... They bought up a ton of these drugs as soon as there was the slightest indication that they might possibly work, despite what Fauci said.

Scientist Donald Trump $aves the World !

The story @ R467 is really appalling, a slap in the face wake up call for anyone not taking this virus seriously.

The anti-malaria drug has side effects, one of which includes death. It's not like taking an Advil.

No one is saying that doctors shouldn't try everything they can. But Trump promoting it daily on television rather than sending notifications to doctors and nurses about potential treatments like normal, is not designed to make people healthy.

R466 is Trump's water-carrier.

Troll.

No one should be taking medical advice from Trump. He is a complete idiot that doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. He is an empty vessel that gets filled with nonsense from his idiot staff and Fox New personalities.

[quote]an empty vessel that gets filled with nonsense from his idiot staff and Fox New personalities.

And his main man Rudy Giuliani most of all.

r469, hydroxychloroquine isn't fucking Daraprim. There IS NO "pharma bro" standing to make billions of dollars from it. It's a fucking cheap generic commodity that's about as profitable per dose as dollar-store ibuprofen and cheap vitamin C supplements.

The REAL pharma dollars will be in the NEW drugs. If you have a deep emotional need to buy into a conspiracy theory, blame THOSE companies for seeding FUD about potential cheap meds that might work too (at least, for prophylaxis & keeping mild cases FROM turning into major ones). Because, frankly, Fauci's own stubborn FUD campaign against those cheap drugs is starting to get seriously annoying. For many people, reasonable & documented historical safety is all the evidence we need to convince us those drugs are worth trying in a pinch. And "pinch" succinctly describes our situation right now.

R467 This is really grim and upsetting.

From NYC city council member:

[quote]It’s not just deaths in hospitals which are up. On an average day before this crisis there were 20-25 deaths at home in NYC. Now in the midst of this pandemic the number is 200-215. *Every day*.

[quote]Early on in this crisis we were able to swab people who died at home, and thus got a coronavirus reading. But those days are long gone. We simply don't have the testing capacity for the large numbers dying at home.

[quote]Now only those few who had a test confirmation *before* dying are marked as victims of coronavirus on their death certificate. This almost certainly means we are undercounting the total number of victims of this pandemic.

[quote]And still the number of bodies continues to increase. The freezers at OCME facilities in Manhattan and Brooklyn will soon be full. And then what?

It's interesting that at every presser, Dump usually mentions certain companies for doing "an amazing job". Last night for example he mentioned Johnson&Johnson. Someone should really keep track of all these random mentions and investigate. I'm pretty sure this isn't coincidental and they all pay some kind of kickback to someone close to the grifter family.

> The anti-malaria drug has side effects, one of which includes death. It's not like taking an Advil.

Ok, so it's like Tylenol (paracetemol). Which will absolutely kill you horribly, in slow motion, a month or so after overdosing.

[quote]We now know of two drugs that are cheap, relatively abundant, have been used safely for years to treat other conditions, weak evidence that they might help, and good evidence that at worst, they're mostly a harmless waste of money if they don't.

My friend with lupus takes Plaquenil and she's going blind as a side effect. It can also cause heart failure, permanent nerve damage, and seizures. The testing phase for its use on COVID19 is necessary, but it certainly isn't "harmless."

Chairman of NYC health council health committee:

[quote]NYC’s “city morgue” is the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME), which luckily is the best in the world. But they are now dealing w/ the equivalent of an ongoing 9/11. And so are hospital morgues, funeral homes & cemeteries. Every part of this system is now backed up

This is what happened in China and, later Europe. And now it’s our turn.

My hospital ran out of body bags.

R462 - I saw that as well. I've been looking at these stats every day and they've been changing.

California was predicted to have 6,190 deaths over the next few months. Now it is 1,783 which is dramatically different.

What I hate about the modeling is that it updates the model as new data comes in. I'd rather see the original projections and then the actual data plotted against the projections. Otherwise we're missing what the isolation and other measures are impacting the crisis.

It is still a very useful tool and it makes me feel better about the timeline and impact.

Last note: the hospital beds and ICU beds by state are a really poor metric of impact. The virus is concentrated in cities - the fact that there are open hospital beds and ICU beds in Rochester or Buffalo, NY are of no importance to people in the NYC area.

[quote]The Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly blasted the now ousted commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as "stupid" in an address to the ship's crew Monday morning, in remarks obtained by CNN.

[quote]In remarks that were piped over the vessel’s PA system, Modly told the crew that their former commander, Capt. Brett Crozier, was either "too naive or too stupid" to be in command or that he intentionally leaked to the media a memo in which he warned about coronavirus spreading aboard the aircraft carrier and urged action to save his sailors.

[quote]The acting secretary accused Crozier of committing a "betrayal" and creating a "big controversy" in Washington by disseminating the warning so widely.

This guy sounds almost as crazy as Trump. He said all this over the ship’s PA system so the thousands of crew members were all subjected to it (the same crew members who cheered the Commander as he left the ship. And who were all trapped on board in tight quarters with Corona circulating.)

Gives a new meaning to the words “red state”

[quote]Last note: the hospital beds and ICU beds by state are a really poor metric of impact.

People with mild and moderate cases are mostly at home, adding more confusion as to the impact because they aren't seen.

R484 - wow. Talk about killing morale. Now all the COs are going to have to go around doing damage control.

Modly put in the bare minimum of 7 years after the Naval Academy and then got out as soon as he could to go into corporate world. He has no experience dealing with the upper ranks of the Navy.

If he ordered the 'firing' - then this is 100% political.

Rolling Stone @RollingStone · 6m Paul McCartney, Elton John and Billie Eilish are among the many artists set for Global Citizen's 'One World' coronavirus charity special

Billie Eilish, Paul McCartney, Elton John and more will participate in a COVID-19 charity special organized by Global Citizen and the World Health Organization: One World: Together at Home, set to air on TV and livestream online April 18th at 8 p.m. ET/5 p.m. PT.

The event boasts a star-studded lineup curated by Lady Gaga and hosted by late-night titans Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert, plus the cast of Sesame Street. It will serve as a celebration of healthcare workers, with several doctors, nurses and families affected by the coronavirus outbreak speaking throughout the special. Donations raised will benefit the COVID-19 Solidarity Response Fund, as well as local and regional charities providing food, shelter and healthcare to those in need.

Other musicians and celebrities set to take part in the special include Stevie Wonder, Eddie Vedder, Chris Martin, John Legend, J Balvin, Kacey Musgraves, Idris and Sabrina Elba, Lizzo, Keith Urban, Billie Joe Armstrong, Alanis Morissette, Kerry Washington, Maluma, David Beckham and Burna Boy.

In a statement, Global Citizen’s co-founder and CEO Hugh Evans said: “As we honor and support the heroic efforts of community health workers, One World: Together at Home aims to serve as a source of unity and encouragement in the global fight to end COVID-19. Through music, entertainment and impact, the global live-cast will celebrate those who risk their own health to safeguard everyone else’s.”

The One World special is a spin-off of sorts of the “Together at Home” series Global Citizen has been running online for the past several weeks. The campaign has raised support for relief efforts with at-home concerts from artists like Legend, Martin, Niall Horan, Charlie Puth and Common. So far, Global Citizen has raised over $30 million for the WHO’s coronavirus response efforts.

World Health Organization (WHO) @WHO · 7m "We encourage countries that are considering the use of masks for the general population to study their effectiveness so we can all learn.

Most importantly, masks should only ever be used as part of a comprehensive package of interventions"-@DrTedros #COVID19 #coronavirus

I just saw the oddest thing on TV. Some Indian guy from the WHO talking about celebrities and how the "biggest celebrity in the world was here - Lady Gaga"

J.K. Rowling:

Please watch this doc from Queens Hospital explain how to relieve respiratory symptoms. For last 2 weeks I've had all symptoms of C19 (tho haven't been tested) & did this on doc husband's advice. I'm fully recovered & technique helped a lot.

CUOMO: 130, 689 confirmed cases statewide, 4758 deaths via today's press conference

I’m really tired of my American friends who can’t accept that people have COVID-19. They can buy into lockdown as long as it’s about them and their lifestyle but mention that you actually have it and are dealing with it and they’re all like, “How do you know? Are you sure? Maybe it’s...” What? Some unknown thing that ticks all the boxes and makes me feel super shit? And then they expect you to be better overnight “Checking in! Are you feeling better?” No nation is in bigger denial than the U.S. Oh and then people I’ve known for decades and shared intimate details of my life with suddenly asking me, “Do you have someone to take care of you?” W. TF?! I’m single. In my 50s. Why would I suddenly have someone taking care of me? What the fuck are they talking about? Denial and privilege is strong in the U.S.

USA: 10,313 deaths, 8830 critical

R493, they are just showing concern by asking how are you etc, as we know, many people with this virus can feel good and then deteriorate rapidly overnight, even die etc.

Do you have it? Please take care and I wish you a speedy recovery...

R490 yeah, I saw that too! Turned it off before Fatty Boom Boom came onscreen.

R491 Thanks for that. I'm glad I've always been a stomach-sleeper.

You sound like a psycho, R493. They're asking how you're doing because they care, and you're here on Datalounge saying they're all awful for it.

CUOMO: fines for social distancing violations increased to $1000.

Schools, non-essential businesses closed until April 29.

R487 I mean, what kind of Navy Secretary goes on an aircraft carrier’s loudspeaker to call their (former) Commander “stupid” and “naive”? Unbelievable.

POLITICO @politico · 5m California is loaning 500 ventilators to states like New York where the coronavirus is exacting a deeper toll

R500 a political appointee who is channeling Trump. He fired the commander because Trump wanted it and now he's bashing him because Trump was bashing him.

After this is over he should never hold any government office again. He's "acting" because Trump thinks they will do what he wants if he dangles the full job title in front of them.

Cuomo just denied the burial in NYC parks story.

"Now is not the time to be playing frisbee with a friend in the park" -- Andrew Cuomo as he increases fines to $1,000 for violating state's social distancing directive.

Cuomo just said he hasn’t heard anything about NYC mortuaries being overloaded or plans for mass graves in parks.

It was the NYC council chairman of the health committee who tweeted all that this morning, not some random troll.

[quote] The virus is concentrated in cities - the fact that there are open hospital beds and ICU beds in Rochester or Buffalo, NY are of no importance to people in the NYC area.

Not so. New York City is exporting critical care patients to cities in the state which have available ICU beds. Albany has accepted a number of them.

r493, because of the deliberate lack of strong and consistent public health messaging here in the U.S. everybody's left to improvise their own response. So you've got the religious fanatics going around believing that Jesus will protect them, the conspiracy theorists saying it's a hoax/Chinese bioweapon/fill in the blank, the racists roaming the streets hunting for random Asians to attack, the quacks and con artists running their games, etc. It's utter chaos and it's not going to get any better. Because the billionaires HAD to have their evil clown in the White House. Admittedly they are cleaning up right now thanks to that clown facilitating their self-dealing.

Reuters:

U.S. death toll from coronavirus tops 10,000 -Reuters tally

[quote] R488 The event boasts a star-studded lineup curated by Lady Gaga

Can some of the funds be used to keep her rich dad off GoFundMe, where he’s begging for handouts to pay the staff he laid off from the restaurant he owns with her?

A lot of people can't post today, so here is thread 32 in case nobody with thread starting privilege is around when this one ends.

It has a poll and a quotation, yay!

“He later clarified his tweets, saying this “is a contingency NYC is preparing for BUT if the death rate drops enough it will not be necessary.”

Why was this left out of the park story? It was in the article.

Also the poster changed “may” to will.

Hold this troll accountable for spreading false info on purpose about the park burials. That posting was a hack job.

I hope that someone waits until r580 to start the next thread.

NYC Health + Hospitals @NYCHealthSystem · 1h .@Uber is donating more than $1 million in rides and food to NYC health care workers. The app sent another $250,000 in promo codes for 10,000 free meals to our health system and gave $20,000 in free meals to Elmhurst, @ConeyIslandHosp and Jacobi.

My name is now on a list...

I've been seeing references to post-recovery active viral shedding for weeks, yet my friend's Kaiser docs haven't heard a thing about it. Wtf?!

Some bad news, some good news for Italy. As Italy goes, so does the rest of the world (except for China who obviously lied about their figures)

Guardian-There were 636 more deaths from coronavirus in Italy on Monday, 111 more than the number registered on Sunday, bringing the death toll in Italy to 16,523, Angela Giuffrida reports from Orvieto. The number of current new infections increased by 1,941, a rise of 2% since Sunday and the lowest day-to-day rise registered since 30 March. For the third day in a row, there was a decrease in the number of intensive care beds in use. The total number of coronavirus cases in Italy to date, including deaths and 22,837 people recovered, stood at 132,547 as of Monday, according to figures from Italy’s civil protection authority.

r475 is a Trumpster troll who thinks he knows more than Dr. Fauci.

BBC News (World) @BBCWorld · 7m Spanish coronavirus deaths fall for fourth consecutive day

Pastor dies after claiming that the virus was overhyped

AFP news agency @AFP #BREAKING France reports 833 new coronavirus deaths, bringing total to 8,911: minister

[quote] R512 I hope that someone waits until r580 to start the next thread

Thoughts & Prayers!

Lolz

[Quote] Y'all voted for a reality show president, congratulations now we're all on Survivor.

R466 = a true “tard” / Trump bootlicker. Go down in a fire, cunt.

Variety @Variety · 14m CBS Drama ‘All Rise’ to Produce Virtual Episode Amid Coronavirus Pandemic

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 6 - 1:50 PM EST

🐟 NATIONAL TUNA DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,323,605

DEATHS: 73,608

CRITICAL: 42,486

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 352,249

DEATHS: 10,372

CRITICAL: 8,836

So Michael Cohen is sitting in jail for taking $1million from Novartis. The producer of hydroxychloroquine. I guess it all paid off for them now, didn't it?

I love that “caught red-handed” pic of Michael Cohen. It has such an “I’m Totally FUCKED” quality to it.

Nearly 3,000 new NYC coronavirus cases overnight, total approaches 68,000

Nearly 3,000 more New Yorkers were diagnosed with the coronavirus overnight Sunday into Monday, with an additional three succumbing to the contagion, City Hall statistics show.

As of 9:30 a.m. Monday, there were 67,820 confirmed cases in the five boroughs, with 2,475 now dead, as compared to 64,955 and 2,472, respectively, on Sunday evening.

The toll continued to mount as City Councilman Mark Levine (D – Manhattan) said that the Big Apple may be forced to temporarily bury its dead in public parks.

Queens remains the hardest-hit borough, with 22,767 confirmed cases, followed by Brooklyn, with 18,215, according to City Hall.

The Bronx has the third most diagnoses (13,397), followed by Manhattan (9,624) and Staten Island (3,780).

Look, r475, I know this is hard for someone with blind loyalty to an ideological cause to accept, but it's entirely possible for reasonable adults to think someone (Trump) is a blathering chimp-like idiot without feeling compelled to blindly take the opposite view of everything he says.

Fauci has a point... TO a point... but make no mistake, HE has agendas of his own, too. They might be generally benign, like concern for lupus patients now facing shortages of a med THEY need to live, and a deep belief that it's ethically preferable to let 10 people passively die from inaction than to intentionally gamble the lives of 5 for the sake of 20... but it's completely naive to pretend he doesn't have biases and an agenda that don't necessarily align 100% with your own.

Here's another way to look at it. When Shit Goes Down (a-la-9/11), the people most likely to survive aren't the ones who obediently wait for official permission to save themselves (or knights in shining armor to save them). It's the people who realize they have nothing to lose, and take direct action on their own to save their own ass. They'll probably fail, but for some people, risking failure is preferable to accepting it as inevitable.

How can they bury people in the park? that is just a waste of time and resources...I mean, they say it's temporary, so they dig, they put in dead bodies, the body rots, and they dig it up again when family claims it? I'm just guessing here...surely there is a better way to handle the dead bodies?

the city has been burying unclaimed dead bodies in porter's field for decades...surely they can continue...

These are not unclaimed bodies R530.

r529 has blind loyalty to Trump. Why else would you be spewing that horseshit?

Who is this really long winded trumpy troll that keeps popping up?

POLITICO: Wisconsin Gov. Tony Evers issued a last-minute order halting in-person voting on Tuesday amid coronavirus concerns, calling for suspending statewide and local elections until June 9.

If you read the park story it’s completely different than what the posted cut and pasted and then edited.

The poster assumed you wouldn’t click on the link and spend all day believing fake propaganda.

But it’s really on you for being so stupid and gullible as to believe that they would be burying bodies in the park.

I mean COME ON ALREADY.

I’m going to find a bridge to sell r530. If people are seriously so stupid then I shall make a fortune.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 6 - 2:10PM EST

🐟 NATIONAL TUNA DAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,328,437

DEATHS: 73,759

CRITICAL: 46,494

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 356,007

DEATHS: 10,467

CRITICAL: 8,832

Dave Weigel @daveweigel · 14m BREAKING: Wisconsin governor suspends in-person voting in Tuesday’s elections amid escalating coronavirus fears by @amyegardner @eliseviebeck

From r519 article about pastor calling the virus a hoax, going to Mardi Gras to prosthelalize, then dying from covid-19

[quote]"He loved to laugh. He loved to play guitar. He played guitar even when he wasn't supposed to," says Jesse Spradlin of her father, Landon. "He was just the best man in the world."

And he surely, needlessly, infected scores of others.

R529, can you - oh, I don’t know - GO AWAY?

Amazon faces another NYC warehouse strike as dozens of workers have coronavirus

[QUOTE] "He was just the best man in the world."

Yeah, um, that’s debatable.

There is no reason to think the funeral homes in the five boroughs are not strained to the breaking point. The city officials should be making contingency plans.

I just wish they had chosen to use eminent domain to take the lobby of Trump Tower and pile the bodies there for the time being. The brass and glass and ugly pink marble are already cold, cold, cold. Throw in a refrigerator unit and... problem solved!

Stock markets are up even though corona deaths are at 10 000 and CNBC just told mortgage markets are close to chaos. How can markets be up?

Trump and friends keep saying that this week will be the worst week ever in terms of deaths in the US. We'll see. We'll see

yes, they are only thinking about burying people in the park at this point but who thought of this idea? Can't they put the bodies in a warehouse that is temp controlled?

This is de basio we are talking about, anything is possible with this cunt. He encouraged people to go to Chinatown parade, go about normal daily lives, refused to close schools, the list goes on...

India has banned exports of all forms of hydroxychloroquine.

According to data compiled by Bloomberg Intelligence, 47% of the U.S. supply of the drug last year came from India makers.

They could put the dead bodies in all of our empty grocery store freezers.

When life hands you a lemon, make lemonade!

Richard Simmons’ YouTube channel returns to help people during the coronavirus

Richard Simmons is coming out of retirement (sort of) and doing his bit to help people stay fit during the coronavirus pandemic.

The 71-year-old fitness mogul has been re-releasing workout videos on his YouTube channel for the past three weeks. This, after Simmons has been largely silent on social media for the past six years.

“We have had an overwhelming request for Richard to return in some way as a comfort to all dealing with the pandemic,” a representative for the star told Fox News in a statement. “We thought we would start by re-releasing some workouts and other inspirational content on his YT channel. Richard is very touched by the outreach.”

Simmons has not made any public appearances since 2014 and has only posted the occasional message on social media. This, following his ongoing battle with tabloids and rumors that he was undergoing gender reassignment surgery.

Baby hospitalized with coronavirus after dad goes to grocery store

A British baby boy was left hospitalized with the coronavirus — after his dad got the whole family infected with just one quick grocery run.

“We have been in isolation for 3 weeks, I brought the virus home after a single short visit to Tesco,” dad Peter Jones wrote on Twitter of breaking his otherwise strict lockdown to go to a supermarket.

He said that “3 of us recovered fast our 1 yo was less lucky,” writing, “My baby boy is in hospital tonight recovering from an infection following #coronavirus.”

The Devon dad said he was publicizing his family’s nightmare to highlight how even a quick break of a lockdown could have tragic consequences.

His message echoes the one made in the US, with White House coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx telling Americans it is “the moment to not be going to the grocery store” or even the pharmacy.

“I want people to know that just one trip out can risk it all!” Jones warned in his series of tweets starting Friday.

“Please don’t go out! Stay at home, and protect your love ones! Please share so others can avoid our experience!”

Jones — whose initial message was liked more than 23,000 times — later updated followers that his son was discharged and recovering at home after getting oxygen and antibiotics.

“We must try & limit visits and follow the guidance to limit risk,” he said, urging people to only leave isolation for real emergencies.

“Please stay safe and please try to avoid going out as much as possible,” he wrote.

This wouldn't have happened of Peter Jones went into a Waitrose.

Sky News @SkyNews · 7m Coronavirus: 1.3 billion smokers urged to quit to reduce COVID-19 risks

R535 The NYC Councilman and chairman of the health committee put out this tweet:

[quote]Soon we'll start “temporary interment”. This likely will be done by using a NYC park for burials (yes you read that right). Trenches will be dug for 10 caskets in a line. It will be done in a dignified, orderly--and temporary--manner. But it will be tough for NYers to take.

at 9:36 AM. The NY Post article about the tweets came out at 11:05 AM. The council member’s tweet clarifying that the previous tweet was a contingency plan came out at 11:18 AM.

Relax. Nobody’s trying to troll you.

It takes time after quitting for your lungs to show improvement. Doubtful quitting now is going to have an affect if someone gets the coronavirus within the next month or two R552.

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R544. May have something to do with the Japanese stimulus plan for 1 trillion $? Also, deaths and infections are on the decline generally in Europe which is giving investors a false since of hope in America and around the world . Regardless of what any models say, the US is no where near the peak. We haven't even reached it yet in several European countries which have direct access to Italy and Spain. Not to mention the half way lock downs that are currently in place for many US states and cities or the growing problem in India and Southeast Asia. The first wave will hit the Southern Hemisphere hard between July- September. And then there is the second wave that will come back with a vegence in the Northern hemisphere later in the year. Tough days ahead for investors and for the economy in general

R546, but that is not what the poster said. The poster changed the wording from “may” to “to begin” which was a blatant edit to try to mislead readers.

R467 CHANGED THE HEADLINE AND TEXT OF THE ARTICLE TO WILLFULLY MISLEAD AND CONFUSE READERS.

In the middle of a crisis. ON PURPOSE.

R530, did you bother to click on the link? You would have seen that r467 was purposely misleading you. You can’t make it so easy for these trolls to trick you.

I don’t understand how people are still being so foolish and gullible during such a serious crisis. There’s a lot of scammers out there. You’re gonna get your clock cleaned.

This site seems like it's ready to crash.

R467 is a LIAR. who does that? IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC?

Jesus. Talk about sickening.

Tim Cook ✔ @tim_cook

Apple is dedicated to supporting the worldwide response to COVID-19. We’ve now sourced over 20M masks through our supply chain. Our design, engineering, operations and packaging teams are also working with suppliers to design, produce and ship face shields for medical workers.

CBS:

Doctor says he's "afraid of this week," as coronavirus cases rise in U.S.

The Kroger executive is thinking outside the ICEbox.

It's asinine of private companies competing with states to buy masks. They are just driving the price up for states and the federal government so they can win PR points. Unless they are manufacturing them, they need to not be "sourcing" anything since they are wringing blood from the same stone as everyone else.

Buck would never have gotten COVID-19.

Do you see your Federal government sourcing supplies? Of course, they say they are ..........

Of course the costs are higher now.

How much is YOUR life worth.

The next thread has to be: Death Becomes U.S. as someone suggested earlier on this thread!

Someone already started a part 32 R567.

Tomorrow is going to be a rough day for Europe after the weekend reporting delays. Keep an eye on the UK

R470 is another gullible fool.

I should have went into snake oil sales. Who knew there were so many mindless idiots among us?

That thread has been canceled for jumping the gun.

Almost time to make a new one.

You're really grossing me out with your blood & stones comment.

Do you realize how much Stone Soup is consumed in my village?

Just saw Gov Murphy on the local news saying that NJ just topped the 40,000 mark - 41,090 infected as of today - and that the peak is likely weeks away.

Stone Soup is not dependent on "Just In Time" supply channels and inventories, Darfur Orphan, so you have it better than you think.

R568. The new thread title is good but does not capture the moment. Right now all eyes are focused on the US numbers. The title must be Death Becomes U.S.

Slyvia can you please help?

Not looking good for Boris

CNN-British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is in intensive care at St Thomas’ Hospital, in London, 10 Downing Street said. "Over the course of this afternoon, the condition of the Prime Minister has worsened and, on the advice of his medical team, he has been moved to the Intensive Care Unit at the hospital," a spokesperson said in a statement.

If something happens to BoJo, does the hottie Chancellor of the Exchequer get promoted?

wow this really hits it home for the naysayers. Everyone pays attention to the UK, almost as much as they do the US.

Now grocery store workers are starting to die

R574 Well I certainly hope that someone doesn't tell the Big Orange BlowHole of the United States that finely ground stone powder, derived from the stones in the Village of Darfur, possess magical properties that may possibly wipe The Corona completely off the face of the Earth.

Boris is in ICU.

R580. Only if Jared told him so and/or he has money on the line

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My apologies, DL. In case you hadn't already guessed, that's me at r580.

I forgot to sign my post. Hunger makes me forget so many things, except the fact that I'm hungry.

R583 Except lab animal model supports the opposite, meaning antibodies developed against the virus. More likely information from experts is that those negative tests after recovery were false negatives, meaning when the patients weren't cleared. By the time they were retested they still were in the recovery period but had accurate tests that were positive.

Has it been brought up yet about Trump's press conferences and how none of them are practicing social distancing? They're all crowded together and using the same podium and mic.

In my country, we get daily updates from the PM, his cabinet, and the chief medical officers, but they're (the cabinet and doctors) are all seated at a long table, a good distance apart and have their own mics.

R586 Obama left him with an antiquated podium and mic system.

lol, R587.

I’m eating the mask for the first time today. I have got to Bill collector, DR appointment, blood work and of course I have to get something to eat.

I tried to make a mask out of a tee shirt the you tube lady made look so easy. It was a disaster and I ruined 2 shirts.

Wearing wearing.

Is Sylvia lurking or has she already lurked?

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