**OFFICIAL PRIMARY THREAD, PT IV **

Previous thread:

Is anyone happy Joe Biden won or are they just happy Bernie lost? I see no winners.

Everyone who voted for Biden is happy.

You see no winners, cool.

I see a big loser... BURNIE.

R2 The latter. I preferred Kamala tbh

I'm happy for one reason: the people we need to vote in November to win are showing up in large numbers for Joe.

I’m happy Biden seems to have such broad appeal. I would have preferred others (Pete, Warren, Kamala) but I am a NYC college educated woman so we don’t “need” people like me to win. I’m happy to see the black voter turnout and his appeal to white suburban voters in swing states. Happy to see former Repugs happy to back him. I think he gives us the best shot to win in Nov and, at this point, that’s my only priority.

I’ve always personally hated Bernie but also have always felt that he had no appeal beyond the very left, which seems to be correct.

Oh boy, Carville on MSNBC next.

He hypers me into a frenzy. I don't know if If I can watch.

Dave Wasserman:

[quote]The big story in Michigan: the shifting allegiance of working-class white Dems since '16.

[quote]Pretty much the entire Upper Peninsula voted for Sanders in '16. So far, huge Biden margins.

James Carville is going on MSNBC...he looks 1000 years old in the teaser.

I agree R6 He is building a coalition, and that is very important.

I am LOVING these results!

Go Gentleman Joe! Win every state!

I can’t believe that Biden is gonna be the nominee, and probably the president.

This sucks.

The media would not get off Pete’s dick about his problems with black voters yet mf Sanders is barely treading water anywhere

Fuck Bernie Sanders and his free shit. I will not pay for it. Buh-bye Bern, get off the stage, NOW! You’re un-electable

Besides the free shit malarkey, trump would make mince meat out of Sanders. We need someone to kick trumps lady balls inside out, and that’s Mr. Biden

I think we have our Democratic nominee...

[quote] I think he gives us the best shot to win in Nov and, at this point, that’s my only priority.

r6 That's the problem. What will he actually DO if he beats Trump? He'll be a one-term president if he's lucky, and then the country will vote red again in 2024.

Even when I don't like what he's saying, I love James Carville.

Bernie barely holding onto viability in Mississippi.

Updated delegate count per MSNBC:

Biden: 755

Sanders: 631

I wish Florida voted today, too, so Bernie could see just how much the majority of Democratic voters do not want him as nominee.

Biden and Bernie both sucked the life out of the Democratic Party instead of working to promote the next generation of candidates. They both suck.

MSNBC is saying Joe Biden will be speaking soon.

Will Putin see to it that Biden gets the Corona virus, or pneumonia; like he did with Hillary?

Carville is hilarious. Whether or not I agree with him, I could listen to him all day.

R16 - he will not be Trump, first of all. No more kids in cages. He won’t be a criminal. No gaslighting and ridiculous lies. He will have credibility with allies.

He can at least prevent more Kavanaughs (we know Moscow Mitch will block anything he can).

Biden will build a top notch team around him. He would be handling this coronavirus really well. If he wins, that will probably help us down ballot to at least keep the House.

Andrew Yang has endorsed Joe.

That's everyone but Warren.

Calm yourself Debbie Downer @R16. Do you type with latex gloves while wearing a mask? If Bernie can’t win, and it’s apparent, then I’m for Joe. I’ll vote for the fucking gum stuck to my shoe, if that is the nominee.

One of the other parts about Biden that I find appealing is that--in addition to appointing competent people--he'll also likely appoint people that don't agree with him 100% of the time, which is a GOOD thing.

Bernie only wants yes-men.

Biden's 2020 MI win vs HRCs MI loss is a combination of everything you've all been saying-- "I Hate Hillary" + "OMFG Trump Is A Million Times Worse Than My Worst Nightmares" + "Let's Just Pick Someone And Be Done With It" + "Bernie 2016 Was A Novelty, Bernie 2020 Is A Rerun"

Carville is hammering away about Nov. He is right, too.

r28, another thing he has in common with you-know-who.

Pretty much, YMF.

Why has everyone stopped talking about Russian meddling? Are we all in denial?

Why hasn't ND reported anything? They've been closed almost two hours.

Is the Paycom.com spokesfrau someone we're supposed to recognize or just an actor?

Biden about 13 points ahead in Michigan now.

The Monmouth poll showing a 15-point Biden lead is looking pretty accurate so far.

What is up with ND?

Have you ever seen "Fargo" R34?

The last polls in North Dakota close at 10 PM, so hopefully we will learn something then.

Yang's YangGangers versus the BernieBros on Twitter will be VERY entertaining.

They laughed at the poor guy testing the mic!

[quote]I can’t believe that Biden is gonna be the nominee, and probably the president. This sucks.

I know! After having the best president EVER for more than three years now!

Nobody except the most paranoid Democrats really cares that much about Russians and their meddling.

I"m so excited about Biden. The brigading against him here today was amazing. There were several lockdowns, the last of which was only just lifted.

He was a perfect president R42. A stable genius!

Biden may not be that exciting, but at least he's competent.

And that alone puts him miles ahead of that mess in the White House now.

[quote]I can’t believe that Biden is gonna be the nominee, and probably the president. This sucks.

= Donald Trump

Trolls are pissed their one lines aren't having the impact they used to. They'll need some other way to afford their one serving of borscht.

[quote]Is the Paycom.com spokesfrau someone we're supposed to recognize or just an actor?

Barbara Corcoran from Shark Tank.

Burnie doesn't even have a big lead in college towns where he's supposed to.

The youth has spoken... nobody wants Burnie - even his own supporters.

[quote]Barbara Corcoran from Shark Tank.

Is she related to the right-wing Canadian columnist, Terence Corcoran?

Bernie was so delusional. He believed all these white working class voters in places like rural Michigan and Missouri were socialists in all but name and that's why they all voted for him in the 2016 primaries - that they all wanted Medicare for All, free college, etc. He believe he and only he could turn these voters out. When really they just fucking hated Hillary! And voting for Bernie was the best way to say FU to Hillary.

Socialism is dead. So AOC and her ilk all need to be voted out and go away.

Polls have closed in North Dakota, but long lines are being reported in Fargo and Grand Forks that could delay vote counting:

Yang Gang has now endorsed Biden.

Biden has put the “Obama coalition” back together.

Nice of Yang to endorse after it's basically over.

[quote]That's the problem. What will he actually DO if he beats Trump? He'll be a one-term president if he's lucky, and then the country will vote red again in 2024.

That’s why his VP choice is SOOOO important.

So are we getting 1k a month after all!?

Clyburn named several African American women politicians who he believes could be potential vice president picks for Biden, including California Sen. Kamala Harris and Georgia Democratic gubernatorial nominee and voting rights activist Stacey Abrams.

Clyburn also referenced Reps. Marcia Fudge of Ohio, Val Demings of Florida and Karen Bass of California as potential choices, as well as Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms.

Women were a big reason for Joe Biden’s win in Michigan Tuesday night.

Sanders edged Biden, 48% to 47% with men in Michigan, but Biden won women by almost 20 points, 57% to 39%, according to exit polls.

Biden also won white women by double-digits. Sanders won white women in Michigan in 2016.

Because Biden won them by double-digits on Super Tuesday, it was a group we identified as one that could very well decide the election in Michigan — and it appears they did.

[quote]Carville is hilarious. Whether or not I agree with him, I could listen to him all day.

Carville is right though. The voters have spoken and want this over with. Step aside Sanders.

Thank you R49

The Atlanta mayor would be a boon for Datalounge.

There would be competing "Bottoms For Bottoms" and "Tops For Bottoms" movements.

It could get confusing.

Good point made earlier by Nicole.

Burnie tries to make himself sound like he's the Grassroots candidate and he's not... Biden is.

Heidi Pryzbyla on MSNBC has that intangible air of "I get laid. Often." and I write that with admiration.

So, Michael Moore, where's your Mojo now?

And for those of you who want to vote for a gay man now that Pete is out the picture, there's Green Party candidate Dario Hunter.

He is (and I swear I am not making this up) a gay half-Iranian, half-black Muslim from the same affluent NJ suburb as Jason Alexander and Chris Christie who converted to Judaism and became a rabbi before deciding to enter politics.

WTF is wrong with all the fucktard douche cunts in Iowa? What a LOSER state!!!!!!!!!

Dave Wasserman:

[quote]Livingston Co., MI (conservative outer Detroit suburbs) is 100% in. In 2016, Sanders won it by 21.3%. In 2020, turnout went up 45% and Biden won it by 17.0%.

I don't get why Abrams is even being included in a VP conversation with the likes of Harris, Demings, etc.

Well this should put an end to enthusiasm and fund raising as the end all and be all of election metrics.

If Yang and Bernie had their way, we'd all have free housing, college, healthcare, *and* a monthly stipend. Why even go to work? You can just keep getting diplomas until you retire.

If Yang and Bernie had their way, we'd all have free housing, college, healthcare, *and* a monthly stipend. Why even go to work? You can just keep getting diplomas until you retire.

Pete dropped out and he's leading in Iowa. WTF people!

[quote]Biden will build a top notch team around him. He would be handling this coronavirus really well. If he wins, that will probably help us down ballot to at least keep the House.

I do really feel like Biden will put together a great team of advisors and Cabinet members that can get a lot accomplished. He’s not a paranoid egomaniac like Trump (and Sanders) who only want loyalists and no dissenting ideas.

Has there been any talk of Burnie speaking tonight?

[quote]Clyburn also referenced Reps. Marcia Fudge of Ohio, Val Demings of Florida and Karen Bass of California as potential choices, as well as Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms.

Representative Fudge and Mayor Bottoms will need to change their names before they can expect to get anywhere near a Presidential ticket.

Turnout for the Michigan Democratic primary is 1.7 million, Edison Research estimates, compared to 1.2 million in 2016 and 1.46 million in 2008.

Carville's Burn of Bernie (and Maddow) is trending on Twitter right now

Carville is right. It's time to end this and put together the best and brightest to lead the charge against Trump and the Republicans. This is going to take "all hands on deck" to get Biden into 1600 Pennsylvania. Progressive policies ie the "Green Deal" can all be moderated so that they're acceptable to everyone. But, the money, computer skills, marketing, EVERYTHING, has to be brought together to win. Let VP Biden nap (we'll bring him out when needed) and let the rest of us get the job done!

i really think Bernie is going to throw in the towel tonight. Going forward he's only favored in 3 states. I don't think his ego will allow him to continue. It"s not a good look for his "movement".

I love Carville. He cuts right to the chase.

[quote] Is anyone happy Joe Biden won or are they just happy Bernie lost?

I won't be happy until Trump is kicked out the White House in a resounding defeat, until then I will stay unhappy.

[quote]WTF is wrong with all the fucktard douche cunts in Iowa? What a LOSER state!!!!!!!!!

Yep. The state that gave us Joni Ernst. Loserville.

I'll take your Joni Ernst R83 and see you one Steve King. Also from Iowa.

White people like Pete. Even Biden likes Pete.

WTF are you smoking R73? Iowa was in February.

R12 - “ I can’t believe that Biden is gonna be the nominee, and probably the president. This sucks.”

Yeah, I hear your sonny.... So sorry you’re free shit isn’t coming. Now, you hear me, Skippy... Pay for your own goddamn shit.

Stupid young people were already spending their student loan money on weed.

For the first time, eligible Michiganders were able to register to vote today — the same day they cast their ballots.

Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson announced that 13,000 people used the new rule to vote today, with almost half of those votes coming after 4:30 p.m. ET. That led to some long lines, Benson said, especially at county clerk offices in college towns such as Ann Arbor and Kalamazoo.

Benson spun those lines as a net positive.

“I think this reflects the significant amount of interests that young voters have had in our election today, first time voters as well,” Benson said.

Those first-time and young voters were not able to carry Sen. Bernie Sanders to victory in Michigan however, despite him winning the under-30 vote by 77% according to CNN’s exit polls.

The KING MAKER speaks!

Clyburn: DNC should 'shut' down primaries, debates if Biden sweeps states

Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) said that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) should step in to end the primary process if former Vice President Joe Biden sweeps the six states holding primaries and caucuses Tuesday night.

Clyburn, the No. 3 House Democrat and a prominent Biden backer, said on NPR that the DNC should cancel the remaining contests and debates if it becomes clear that the former vice president has an insurmountable delegate lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.).

“I think when the night is over, Joe Biden will be the prohibitive favorite to win the Democratic nomination, and quite frankly, if the night ends the way it has begun, I think it is time for us to shut this primary down, it is time for us to cancel the rest of these debates — because you don’t do anything but get yourself in trouble if you continue in this contest when it’s obvious that the numbers will not shake out for you,” Clyburn said.

Bernie is not going to speak tonight.

Hmmmmm.

My husband, who is a Bernie fan (although not a bro) and is generally very tuned into politics, including blogging about elections for DailyKos, just told me he thinks Bernie will drop out tomorrow.

Line of the night:

It's election night, which means James Carville is once again having an on-air meltdown but he's right about everything, while Van Jones is once again having an on-air meltdown and he's wrong about everything.

I voted for Biden, largely because he has the best shot at helping Dems carry the Senate.

[quote]I voted for Biden, largely because he has the best shot at helping Dems carry the Senate.

That's why this needs to end tomorrow. We need to aggressively go after the Senate too. Get rid of Mitch, Lindsey, and the many others that have gotten on my nerves!

I actually think from Bernie's perspective it makes the most sense. He'll get to have a much bigger say in the rest of the campaign if he doesn't decide to do a scorched earth run until the convention.

And yes, his being willing to do that is likely predicated on Biden being a man.

Refusing to speak tonight almost looks like a November 2016 Hillary move

So maybe he will concede tomorrow after all

Or he's in hiding because he caught the Wu Flu

Yes, the DNC should shut it down but if they did that, the BernOuts would just scream about how it's proof the whole thing was fixed.

Thanks and respect to Bernie and his movement, who changed the Democratic Party and American politics forever. Changed for the good. Called us to morality, justice, and human and compassionate values. He and his supporters should have a feeling of great accomplishment. He needs a significant role in the platform and the fall election. Biden's moment of truth is coming soon - he needs to reach to Bernie and his supporters in an effective way. I think if Biden does this successfully, we'll win in November.

Yeah, not like there were questions surrounding November 2016.

I just want to be able to go to the optometrist and the dentist without having to pimp myself out to afford it.

That's it, that's all I want.

[quote]Bernie is not going to speak tonight.

He might be dead.

Bernie just flew home to Vermont.

He's tossing in the towel tomorrow.

If Bernie wants to debate and go another week, the DNC should respect that. But they should make it clear that that will be the end if there is no sea change.

I'm very happy Joe won. He has always been my personal preference. And I believe deeply his decency is what the moment demands. The torch can pass in 2024 and then who knows what can happen? But now the ship must be righted. It is listing badly. We've got to get back to something close to normal and old school Joe, unawake and indifferent to everything everyone younger than him gets distracted by (in the quest for office, not in society) I think that's what we need for just a few years.

So, yes, I'm fucking thrilled Joe won. And I'm pleased Bernie lost decisively and demonstrably. His youth revolution failed to man the barricades.

R100 The question of the moment: so did we learn anything from 2016?

[quote]He needs a significant role in the platform and the fall election. Biden's moment of truth is coming soon - he needs to reach to Bernie and his supporters in an effective way.

Bernie’s not a Democrat. So no, he doesn’t need a significant role in the platform. Voters rejected him.

Creepy convo on MSNBC that there might not even BE elections in November because of covid

Yes, Burnie wasn't viable then and he isn't viable now.

Bernie 2024

[quote]Creepy convo on MSNBC that there might not even BE elections in November because of covid

What's the constitutional basis for such a thing?

[quote]The question of the moment: so did we learn anything from 2016?

Democrats this time are unified behind the candidate who can win, and voters are turning out in record numbers. So yes, some lessons were learned.

R111 none. Elections are run by states. We don’t have federal elections.

Pete will be Biden's VP pick, and together they'll represent boomers passing the torch to millennials. Biden will not run for re-election and Pete will take over in 2024.

Why are the Christmas light still up in Burlington Vt?

[quote]He needs a significant role in the platform and the fall election. Biden's moment of truth is coming soon - he needs to reach to Bernie and his supporters in an effective way.

Not really. IMHO, Biden should have a two hour closed door luncheon with ALL of the presidential candidates to thank them and tell them how much he will need all of their help and operations to help US ALL when the White House.

That'll freak Republicans out!

I'm relieved. It's almost over. Now we have to try to accommodate Bernie and his people to some extent in some policy areas.

R114 the dnc would never allow two white men on the ticket

Biden said no to Pete being the VP. I bet he gets a more substantive role.

Why should Bernie get a big say in the platform again?

[quote]That's why this needs to end tomorrow. We need to aggressively go after the Senate too. Get rid of Mitch, Lindsey, and the many others that have gotten on my nerves!

Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, Joni Ernst, Susan Collins, Martha McSkanky. Time to take out the trash.

David Pluff is gorgeous.

If Pete gets a role in a Biden administration, it will likely be a really visible one. Biden clearly really likes him and seems to want to help his career out.

Chief of Staff would be a good guess. I don't think he's quite experienced for one of the bigger cabinet jobs.

Pete will be Secretary of State or Secretary of Defense under Biden. Count on it.

Bernie not speaking tonight clearly indicates he’s thinking about ending this

We have to accommodate Bernie a bit in perhaps climate change policy and free community college.

Pete literally saved Biden’s candidacy. If he was still in on Super Tuesday, Klobuchar would be too and they would have splintered the vote so many ways, Bernie would have won Super Tuesday and he would have won today too. The moderate vote was being split too many ways for any one candidate to win.

Biden better not give him some bullshit position. At least give him something he can use as a platform to run from. He can’t run from Indiana, it’s too red.

R124, I can see that. Truly valuable experience compared to VP.

Pete does not have a resume for SoS.

What qualifications does Pete have to run the state department? Good god you Pete freaks are nuts. Biden’s cabinet is going to be stacked with experienced people. Our standing on the world stage is in shambles. He’s not going to appoint a 38 year old mayor with no experience and zero relationships with any of our allies. Get a grip.

[quote]Pete will be Biden's VP pick,

No. Not if I take him out first with a stapler.

O'Donnell basically pointing out that Burnie is really good at pointing out problems but never having a solution for them nor is he good at taking action and doing anything.

[quote]Pete literally saved Biden’s candidacy.

Ahem....

I have seen Amy campaigning for Biden but no campaigning for Biden from Mayor Pete, has anyone seen Pete campaigning for Biden?

R130 No dear, your Liz Warren gets nothing.

[quote] I can’t believe that Biden is gonna be the nominee, and probably the president. This sucks.

You would rather have four more years of Trump?!

Do you think Steve Kornacki would play my body as artfully as he plays that board?

Dr. Jill looking lovely in lilac and soft waves as Joe speaks.

I would expect Pete will get a cabinet position, but not VP or SoS. More likely Homeland Security or Veteran Affairs.

I'm also very happy about Joe winning. I think he's going to make a wonderful president. #GentlemanJoe2020

At least Jill won't have to get between Joe and any vegans tonight.

I guess Liz won't be endorsing Bernie now.

OH! LOOK HOW GOOD THE BIDENS LOOK!!!! Very presidential!

Where’s hunter? They surely can’t hid him the next 6 months.

No, R137, he won't.

It's really odd that Burnie isn't speaking tonight. He must be near dropping out.

Here's Joe, doing the presidential thing, and trying to build a coalition.

I wonder if Bernie has communicated anything to Joe about tomorrow. The unity talk seems kind of pointed.

The Ruskies and Brietbarters are showing: Adapt Bernie's platform, bash the white gay former candidate, etc.

I thought old senile Joe Biden couldn’t speak in complete sentences?

while we wait for the 11 pm polls to close...i just want to say that a coworker was diagnosed with covid.

[quote]What qualifications does Pete have to run the state department? Good god you Pete freaks are nuts. Biden’s cabinet is going to be stacked with experienced people. Our standing on the world stage is in shambles.

My predictions are Susan Rice for Sec of State, Kamala for Attorney General, Tammy Duckworth for Sec of Defense, and Amy for VP. Pete maybe Homeland Security or Veterans Affairs as someone said above.

[quote] Do you think Steve Kornacki would play my body as artfully as he plays that board?

only if you have buttons that he can push.

Amy Klobuchar will be the VP. Mark my work. A woman and a Midwesterner.

[Quote] while we wait for the 11 pm polls to close...i just want to say that a coworker was diagnosed with covid.

...get off The DL.

Why is Joe dressed as The Joker?

He owes Clyburn, r154. it will be a woman of color.

R152 Pete has no qualifications for a high profile cabinet position. I know trump has made it seem like you can just throw anyone in any position but that’s not how it’s supposed to work. Nor should it.

Pete should do HHS and get some minority goodwill going if he wants a future.

[quote]Why is Joe dressed as The Joker?

I like Joe Biden in his role as "Joker."

I would like to see Susan Rice for VP, that will help bring out the black vote. Plus she has no voting record that people can drag up.

Tissue! I NEED TISSUE, DAMN IT!

Joe is doing a pretty great job with this speech.

I'm going to repurpose something stupid Van Jones said probably about exactly three years ago:

This is the moment Joe Biden became President.

[quote]I wonder if Bernie has communicated anything to Joe about tomorrow. The unity talk seems kind of pointed.

It doesn’t seem like a coincidence that Joe returned to Philadelphia and canceled his Florida events.

Joe's speech sounds like a pivot to the general election.

The VP slot is substantial for a President as old as Joe. Potentially, Pete could be VP for four years and shadow Joe. Then he’d be well prepared to run. Because it appears as a change of administration, it’s possible he’ll get a second four years, too.

Amy will not be VP. She'll be offered a cabinet post. Amy supporters still obsessed about demeaning Pete. That's old news and irrelevant now.

This isn't a victory speech. This is an acceptance speech.

[quote] I know trump has made it seem like you can just throw anyone in any position but that’s not how it’s supposed to work.

Actually, Trump showed us over and over again why doing that doesn't work at all.

I know this is never going to happen, but I think if Sanders was smart he would withdraw now. He's got to know there's no hope of winning now. Instead of another debate (which wouldn't help him anyway) he should take some of his dough and book TV time and give a very dignified and measured farewell address. He should release his delegates to Biden NOW and exit with class and dignity. He's 78 years old - why keep slogging along on a campaign he know is lost? They should let him speak at the convention in Milwaukee during prime time (instead of sitting in the gallery pouting like he did with Hillary) and he can still keep his Senate seat.

But, as I said, this is never going to happen.

Trump Endorses Jeff Sessions’ Opponent In Alabama

LOLOLOL

OMG I just realized that Steve Kornacki isn't wearing his usual brown pants.

CNN says Idaho & Washington are too early to call yet.

I don't quite understand how we have exit polls from Washington State when we're 100% mail in?

Biden now leading by double-digits in Washington.

Biden's winning Washington, just based on what Steven is saying.

Seriously. are they using snails to deliver ND's vote?

Burnie losing WA by double digit... doing way worse than he did in 2016 (Caucus).

MSNBC recently said that Biden is polling 35 points ahead of Sanders for next week's Florida primary.

Tone of Biden’s speech indicates Sanders is conceding soon

How humiliating for Burnie to overall do WORSE than he did in 2016.

Per Bernie Bros it was supposed to be his coornation!

If Bernie can do the humble thing, I will gain a lot of respect back for him.

I don't believe he will, but I'm giving him the chance.

r175, it's through phone calls.

My proposal for VP, for the future, is that a select group of party members choose four candidates, then send the list to the presidential nominee for him to choose one; with the option to repeat this one more time with other possibilities. I imagine they do something like this already, informally, but the VP slot is too important for one man to have the power to decide. (A convention will never vote a nominee down.)

Klobuchar, Warren and Harris need to keep their asses in those Senate seats. They'd be wasted as VPs. I'm not all that nuts about Stacey Abrams, but she checks a lot of boxes, and apparently she's done a lot of anti voter suppression work, so that helps. We need every Senate seat we have.

R107 and others... yes, Bernie does deserve an important role. Almost 40% of democratic voters chose to vote for him. To discount 40% of your party is crackpot, asking to lose. Again, did we not learn anything from 2016?? Magnanimity, unity, caring for each other in this struggle against the kind of plutarchy and criminal state that Trump has given us.

Great speech by Biden - gentle and respectful to Bernie - pivoting to general election. And for fuck's sake, quoting the Irish poet Seamus Heaney. Oh to have a President who reads, values, and gives us a bit of poetry.

[quote]I would like to see Susan Rice for VP, that will help bring out the black vote.

Joe already has the black vote. They want Trump gone. They’re not staying home.

Amy is going to be the VP. She delivered a decisive win for Joe in Minnesota after Sanders had been ahead just days before. She’s an effective campaigner and can deliver the Midwest which is crucial.

Posted in the MI thread but I'll post it here too.

Unrelated but MI had their first 2 cases of coronavirus confirmed tonight in Detroit area counties. This means that the virus could have spread A LOT today at the ballot boxes

AP has them tied in WA.

Joe's speech was PERFECT. He and Jill both looked classy as hell!

Biden with a narrow lead in Idaho, but only a small number of votes in so far.

[quote]OMG I just realized that Steve Kornacki isn't wearing his usual brown pants.

He said they were at the cleaners.

Washington results are pouring in, Biden ahead by three points.

Washington results are pouring in, Biden ahead by three points.

Anyone have a link to Biden’s speech?

Ladies and Gentlemen, the 46th President of the United States Joe Biden, and First Lady Dr. Jill Biden!

That sounds nice.

AP has Biden ahead by 10% in Idaho.

Who were those losers wandering through the shot?

Dr Jill is really a strikingly beautiful mature woman.

Dr. Jill does sound nicer than Slovenian Whore

I'm seeing Sanders ahead in Washington now. So far closer than I expected though, because I figured that was the one state where he'd crush it.

AP still has them tied in WA with 64% in.

Biden should strongly consider Obama as Vice President. The Republicans would have massive heart attacks!

WA is a dead heat right now.

No one is getting a delegate lead out of it.

tied in WA at 32.7 with 67% in

So Bernie’s not even going to speak tonight? What’s the deal with that?

[quote]Biden should strongly consider Obama as Vice President.

No. It will be challenged to no end, and the Supreme Court will end up deciding who is the Vice President. We don’t need that.

[quote] Biden should strongly consider Obama as Vice President.

The VP has to be eligible to be President and since a person can only serve two terms Obama is not eligible and if you are talking Michelle, she isn't interested.

Bernie can’t win in a Primary. Only in caucuses.

Bernie staffers are going hard on twitter tonight. I don’t think Bernie is going anywhere

This has been a good night for pollsters -- particularly in Michigan, Missouri & Mississippi.

The polls predicted the Biden margins almost exactly.

Always the victim. Everyone is against him. Because he isn't given what everyone owes him.

Cheeto.

sanders with a .1% LEAD IN WA.

With 60% of WA votes in, Sanders leading by 1%.

I feel such relief. Now comes the real challenge.

Sanders should be glad if long lines prevented him from getting humiliated by even larger margins.

Why are Sanders supporters such whiny babies? I'm already seeing "I will never vote for Biden" on Twitter. Earlier today the Bernie Bros were making a Biden dementia hashtag trend. They're like petulant brats. He seems to appeal to the people who want a cult leader and who aren't that intelligent, but think they are.

sANDERS AHEAD BY .2%

Rachel Maddow is really an embarrassment.

Washington allows votes to arrive by postmark, folks who mailed their ballots locally today or from distances farther away will be counted in a day or two. Those votes will skew strongly Biden.

R218 Give them time. It's a huge disappointment. They need to be listened to, embraced, and then we all man up for the struggle ahead... together.

Michael Moore up next. Should be an appearance for the history books

r154, Hope not, she's such a bore.

and a bitch.

[quote] Why are Sanders supporters such whiny babies? I'm already seeing "I will never vote for Biden" on Twitter.

That is why I don't think Biden will make concessions to Bernie to get his support, Bernie supporters will either support Biden or they won't, those who won't wouldn't anyway.

R218 they wouldn't even vote for Burnie so it isn't really a big deal.

[quote]Why are Sanders supporters such whiny babies? I'm already seeing "I will never vote for Biden" on Twitter.

Stop looking at idiots on Twitter. Those people aren’t real voters anyway.

I loved Biden’s speech tonight

Why is everyone coronating Joe? He’s only up by less than 100 delegates. Bernie can catch up.

What happens to the votes in Washington for Warren? Right now she has 12 percent.

I want to re-watch it, R228. It was perfect

[quote]Why is everyone coronating Joe? He’s only up by less than 100 delegates. Bernie can catch up.

No, he cannot.

[quote] Why is everyone coronating Joe? He’s only up by less than 100 delegates. Bernie can catch up.

None of the coming states are favorable to Bernie, tell me what state you think Bernie can win that will make up the difference?

r229 For your reading pleasure:

There are still so many states to go. Of course he can catch up. This is only the tip of the iceberg lettuce. There are elections next week and every week after that! Go Bertie!

Daddy Bernie will win 8,000 delegates from winning Wizarding World! #BernieSurge

Bernie isn't winning some of the states like Michigan that he won in 2016, when he lost the nomination. So he would have to flip states that he didn't win in 2016, that isn't happening.

......

No word from Bernie tonight.

[quote] There are still so many states to go. Of course he can catch up.

You should try living in the real world for a while.

Bernie not speaking tonight means he'll either drop out tomorrow, OR he'll go Super Saiyan and be out for blood.

R241, Super what?

Bernie isn't speaking tonight because he's been dealing with his heart issues. Remember, he's elderly and gravely ill.

Rachel Maddow still trying to make Bernie Sanders happen.

How are the Bernie Bris taking the news? Provide links please.

I hope this is the last night anyone in the media has that slob Michael Moore on. They act like he speaks for the Democratic party and he does not. Let him go the way of Bernie- gone.

I think Bernie"s decision will depend on if he wins WA and by how much. Going forward only Oregon, RI and and WY look good for him. He's expected to be trounced in Fla.

R61 that’s because women always vote for the better looking candidate. Even if it’s between two geriatrics.

[quote] R204: Biden should strongly consider Obama as Vice President. The Republicans would have massive heart attacks!

I want Obama for Supreme Court. Former Presidents have served before. I hope Trump can't pack it due to openings caused by the virus.

See, even Rachel Maddow says Bernie still has a chance. Never say neber!

Rachel just doesn't want the attack of the BernieBros so she is acting like there is still a chance. The only chance Bernie has is if Biden drops dead, that is the only chance.

I love Rachel, but she has a blind spot for Bernie.

Delegates are handed out proportionately, so Bernie could technically win if you bent over backwards and imagined some scenario in which he miraculously tripled his support with black voters and waved a wand to make Biden supporters disappear. If anyone thinks Bernie has a chance, they can't be looking at FL numbers, which are horrendous for that Castro loving lunatic. Rachel is a tin hat wearing conspiracy theorist, so she's always twisting things around to see them as she wants.

Time for Bernard to go. SHouldn't have even been in this at all.

Sanders would have lost CA if there were only same day voting. I remember being ready to mail in my vote and put in Bernie's name (reluctantly) but only because I thought Biden's campaign was dead. Thank God, I didn't.

[quote] Why is everyone coronating Joe? He’s only up by less than 100 delegates. Bernie can catch up.

Because they know what they are talking about, it is over for Bernie, you should listen to people who are wiser than you.

Sanders ahead by .3 in WA

[quote]I hope this is the last night anyone in the media has that slob Michael Moore on.

He gets so agitated and rambles almost as bad as Trump.

Washington may be a wash, with split delegates. So we might have Biden winning 5 and splitting WA. Nearly worst case scenario for Sanders.

Why is Burnie running as a Democrat again?

And wasn't he supposed to switch over to the Democratic party the last time he ran and he swore that he would?

Bernie only uses the Democratic party to run for president; otherwise he has no use for it.

He'll go back to being an independent shortly after he drops out of the race.

Former candidates who have endorsed Joe Biden:

Amy Klobuchar

Kamala Harris

Beto O’Rourke

Andrew Yang

Corey Booker

John Delaney

Deval Patrick

Tim Ryan

Pete Buttigieg, and

... Not Liz Warren

Bernie will concede tomorrow. That’s how it goes. A candidate considering conceding often skips the evening concession speech, and then concedes the next day.

And which of Burnie's colleague's have endorsed him?

Michael Moore coming up on MSNBC.

Get ready for some ranting.

R261 You might add Bernie to that list soon... and still not have Liz. She doesn't need to … she'll be out there in fall, working her tail off for Biden and a Democratic Senate..

R261, that's because lizzo is gonna blame it on her juice!

Votes for candidates who dropped out are spoiling Washington, North Dakota

[quote]And which of Burnie's colleague's have endorsed him?

He has Jesse Jackson. Oh and Jane Fonda.

Oh, is that what happened to Bernie, R267?

Susan Sarandon?

Haha. Bernie has 14.8% in Mississippi. Kornacki said they will NOT round up. So if he doesn’t get to 15%, he’ll get ZERO delegates.

R246, Michael Moore called Michigan in advance in 2016, so maybe he’s worth listening to.

MSNBC saying Burnie in danger of not making the 15% cut off in MS.

Michael Moore is just as full of shit as Burnie is. Just like Burnie, he rails against the rich and yet demands limos and special treatment.

Goddamn it, turn off MSNBC, and bring me another young lover!

[quote]Michael Moore called Michigan in advance in 2016, so maybe he’s worth listening to.

He’s not. A broken clock is right twice a day.

Moore pushing the idea again that Burnie shouldn't bow out until ALL states have voted.

Michael Moore FLAILING

Elizabeth warren had as much excitement as voting in your elementary principle as president. It was never going to happen for her.

r246 Lots of poll watchers outside of Hillary's team were worried about Michigan. I can't stand the fat fuck because he does nothing but stir up division within the Democratic party. Oh- and he should pay his crews what they are owed.

R274 No, not railing against the rich, but making it clear about the struggles of the middle class and poor. It's different, and the prior disguises the truth of the latter.....

I said this in another thread, but Michael Moore also convinced a lot of people to vote for Nader instead of Gore in 2000, helping Bush II win. He can STFU.

Moore is sadly rambling

Moore pushing the line... you can't win without the young vote... so don't piss them off.

And yet they don't turn out to vote.

Who turns out? OLDER voters so actually.... you can't win without them.

Michael Moore is an elephant. Good god his chins are grotesque!

she was the smartest one in the room at any time, and she was exciting eviscerating michael bloomberg in real time on TV

Michael Moore is deflated. (sad trombone)

that was intended for R279

HAHAHA..

MOORE revising history.

NO ONE in Burnie's camp has EVER said they would vote for Trump over the other nominee.

Really?

REALLY

Why did Biden choose a purple suit and purple tie? Not very Presidential!

No, Moore has rallied against the rich plenty. And he's a hypocritical piece of shit, just like Burn Out.

A large cane needs to come out and pull Moore off the screen....

Stacey Abrams = VP

No Winner To Be Projected In Washington State Tonight

Bernie world:

The dream is over What can I say? The dream is over Yesterday I was the dream weaver But now I'm reborn

And so dear friends You just have to carry on

to turn red states blue, you have to pass thru purple

MSNBC has Biden at 812 Delegates and Burnie at 672.

Really, criticizing SUIT colors? I guess that worked on Obama, Fox News Watcher, didn't it? Does Joe have the audacity to use spicy mustard as well>?

stacey abrams has only won a race for a GA house district, with a population of 40k

pete was deemed unprepared because he only won as mayor of a city with 101k

R382, he did nothing of the sort. Don’t you remember him and Maher begging Nader not to run.

I told you MIchael Moore was just going to be one BIG rant.

I didn't expect him to start blubbering tho.

That’s why Joe wore a purple suit and tie, R296?

Bernie is a multi multi multi millionaire. He owns multiple properties including a lake. Why are the young voting for someone who's rich? They claim to hate all rich people.

Michael Moore said he would not support Biden if he’s the nomination. His rationalization is that Biden, Pete, and Amy supporters would not support Bernie if he won.

I meant r282 @ r300

r300, in 2000 Moore endorsed and voted for Nader.

Moore CRIED? For fuck's sake...

Bern's concession speech: the establishment, Washington insiders, corporate Dems, our movement will not die, blah blah bla...

Bern's concession speech: the establishment, Washington insiders, corporate Dems, our movement will not die, blah blah bla...

Biden doesn’t seem to have much appeal according to exit polls. He does worse than Clinton did with black voters and loses the white working class vote across the board. He’s just barely getting the college educated. Not good at all.

Don’t forget the billionaires!

Moore apologized to Gore for supporting Nader/The Green Party. I went to one of Moore's rallies in 2000, and it was calling for us all to support Nader.

Bernie's movement needs a new spokesperson; preferably one who doesn't look like he's at death's door.

R310... all of what you wrote is wrong.

Thanks for checking in, r310/Vlad.

[quote]she was exciting eviscerating michael bloomberg in real time on TV

oh yeah, that was awesome bro.

bloomberg funded 20 candidates that won the house for pelosi in 2008. what has hectoring liz ever done for other dems?

"Mike Bloomberg has poured $2 million into efforts to boost turnout by African-American voters in eight key states, an indication of his intention to continue bankrolling Democratic causes ahead of November’s elections, CBS News reports."

[quote]Rachel is a tin hat wearing conspiracy theorist, so she's always twisting things around to see them as she wants.

Rachel is a Bernie Bro. That’s why she shat on her own kind and is telling everyone Bernie still has a chance. Chris Hayes is a Bernie Bro too. How is he doing tonight?

[Quote] Rachel is a Bernie Bro. That’s why she shat on her own kind and is telling everyone Bernie still has a chance. Chris Hayes is a Bernie Bro too. How is he doing tonight?

Yes! Rachel is technically a Bernie "BRA." She's also part of the reason Hills was vilify though of course Rachel will never admit it because she's the CUNTEST CUNT THAT HAS EVER CUNTED! If there's one person who deserves a grease fire it's that CUNT!

Bernie is so not a team player: zero flexibility, no emotional intelligence. Michael Moore too. So toxic. Borderline-esque.

Nice of you to stop by, Megyn Kelly @R318!

[quote]So of course they're throwing temper tantrums all over the internet tonight, but again

Like all the pundits said, Liz was more interested in taking Bloomberg down than running for President.

[quote]she was exciting eviscerating michael bloomberg in real time on TV

Like all the pundits said, Liz was more interested in taking Bloomberg down than running for President.

Biden leads by over 200 delegates now.

[Quote] Nice of you to stop by, Megyn Kelly @

Is that the best you can do? Really? Fucking LOSER CUNT!

Caucuses are so undemocratic, like the Electoral College. Yeah, we're a republic but still. So blatantly exclusionary.

Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire are retrograde.

Biden is a staunch Roman Catholic. Purple, in the RC Church, is a traditional color to wear during Lent.

Personally, I love purple, in small doses. So, I liked Biden's tie.

Perhaps my color controls need adjusting but Biden's suit turned up purple on my TV. If he actually wore both a purple tie AND suit, well, that's Too much.

.1 separating the two in Washington. North Dakota evening out as well...

It wasn't a purple suit. He's a Catholic who's denied the eucharist every Sunday because he supports reproductive rights.

His suit looked Royal Blue with a lighter blue tie.

Prince wore purple suits, why not Biden?

Idaho is evening out, r327. ND is heavily toward Bernie right now.

Purple suit and tie? No. Neither.

Buy a Samsung or LG television next time. Don't buy some off-brand Insignia or Vizio crap.

Sanders has cut Biden's lead in Idaho from 6% to 4%, but Biden still the favorite in ID for now.

When Joe wins, he will be only the SECOND Roman Catholic president since JFK!

And somehow, it doesn't even seem to matter much anymore.

No one cares about Protestant, Catholic, etc. anymore. This is 2020. We have robotic cars and YouTube.

[quote] He's a Catholic who's denied the eucharist every Sunday because he supports reproductive rights.

No, r328, only by the occasional grand-standing right-wing Opus Dei asshole Priest who hangs out with Bill Barr and used to with the now dead Scalia.

R336, thanks for the correction.

Lol, r332. You must psychotic, er, I mean psychic.

My TV is a cheap Vizio!

I thought his jacket and tie looked blue too.

"Orange Freak Terrorizes Country? Wait'll they get a load of me!"

"This country needs an enema!"

"Have you ever heard of the healing power of Obamacare?"

Who's Sam Seder?

R340 is triggered and has a cheap TV.

Sam Seder is cute

I have a highest res iPad Pro and it was a purple suit and tie.

R316, so a measly $300,000 per state? Oh, that’s really going to make a difference.

If each of those states have 3 major metros each, then that will be a whopping $100k for each metro area which will not go far. Hopefully this is in addition to other efforts.

We have no polling places in Washington. Ballots are sent to All voters in the mail for every election, even the most minor off-season referendum. We can either deposit are completed ballot in a u.s. mailbox with the state paying the return postage, or drop them in one of the ballot boxes provided by each county (not always so convenient). They feel the ballot drop off boxes on Election night at 8 p.m., but ballots sent in the mail must be postmarked election day, and can be received up to a week later. It is common enough for folks to wait until election day to mail their ballots, which won't be counted for another day or two.

I am a notoriously poor proofreader, so my apologies in advance for the few typos above.

Biden back up to a 6-point lead in Idaho.

AP calls idaho for Biden

Biden Projected To Win Idaho. Idaho, with 20 delegates, held a primary for the first time this year instead of caucuses. Sanders won the state in 2016.

NYT calls Idaho for Biden.

NYT calls Idaho for Biden.

[quote]Perhaps my color controls need adjusting but Biden's suit turned up purple on my TV. If he actually wore both a purple tie AND suit, well, that's Too much.

No, he did wear a purple suit and tie and Jill wore a matching purple dress! They’re the first eggplant 🍆 family.

Trump won't win again. In a few weeks, the hospitals will be overwhelmed, and people will start blaming him for his incompetence and a lot of his supporters will start dying. Many of them still believe the virus is a hoax.

Go Joe!

Terrible TVs, DLers. Pic at link. Clearly blue, suit and tie.

Order new TVs on Amazon. Proper ones. LG. Samsung.

You can recycle your Vizio TVs at Best Buy.

Boris sees purple tonight, red on November 3.

Blue on November 3.

CNN just called Idaho for Biden.

Remember, Remember, it’s all about November!

R357, I see purple suit and tie there. Are you saying my MacBook Pro is wrong?

And why would Jill wear a purple dress if not to match Joe’s purple suit and tie?

R229 - “ Why is everyone coronating Joe? He’s only up by less than 100 delegates. Bernie can catch up.”

Yes, sure he can. In the election held in the afterlife. Not!

lmfao Biden wins Michigan and even Yang endorsing him now

Bernie Bros brains must be exploding with rage

R351 why does Bernie do so much better in caucuses? Why is everything about him and his supporters so fucking whack? Why can’t he win a normal primary?

Oh by the way, NYT calls Idaho for Biden. Or Biden for Idaho...or whatever!!!!!!!

Things about Bernie that seem . . . odd

-wins caucuses, not so much primaries

-giant rallies of nonvoters

-SO many donors, so few voters

-that whole thing with breaking into the DNC server and stealing Clinton data

-the FEC fines, never explained

-the health reports, never released

-the tax returns, never released

-the rape-porn writing

-the first job at age 40

[quote]Who's Sam Seder?

My next boyfriend

[quote]And which of Burnie's colleague's have endorsed him?

I finally heard an answer to this.

Apparently Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont) has endorsed him.

Michael Moore is telling you now so he doesn't have to tell you later:

He is NOT a Sanders campaign surrogate!

[quote]The torch can pass in 2024 and then who knows what can happen? But now the ship must be righted. It is listing badly.

And how are things in Metaphoria, dear?

[quote]Biden has put the “Obama coalition” back together.

No, it self-assembled.

[quote]Good point made earlier by Nicole. Burnie tries to make himself sound like he's the Grassroots candidate and he's not... Biden is.

This is correct.

[quote]Delaware is right across a bridge from Philadelphia.

???

I want Biden to stop losing his temper and saying things like "You're full of shit", they won't be calling him Gentleman Joe for long. Also I wish he would not stand so close to all of these germy people. It was funny when he told his aid to shush.

I picture him rolling around on the floor punching the crap outta Trump in their debates.

[quote]At what point though does it actually become insurmountable for Burnie?

Remember in 2016, maybe May, when he was sending fundraising emails outlining the scenario where he would make superdelegates change their minds, and that's how he would win the nomination, so please send $37?

At that point he needed to win something like 65% in every future primary, but there he and Jeff Weaver and Tad Kyiv Devine were with their "paths."

Point being, it is NEVAH insurmountable, nothing is in a REVOLUTION.

R365, I’m not R265, but I’ll answer you anyway. Caucuses skew very much towards younger voters.

In 2016, Bernie was promoting the idea that all primaries should be caucuses. He also pushed the idea that primaries should be open, that is, that republicans and Independents should be allowed to vote in Democratic primaries. That was to benefit himself, but it harms the Democratic Party because naturally Republicans vote for the weakest, most unelectable candidate. Luckily, some of those states changed back after 2016, but there are still a few. Trump even mentioned that Republicans should go to those open states and vote for an unelectable candidate in the Democratic primary.

Caucuses are very difficult for older voters. They can drag on for hours, people have to pick up their kids from daycare, go home and cook dinner, and tend to their households. It’s very difficult for people to get open ended childcare for an unknown number of hours so they can vote. And the babysitters have to be gone at the same time to vote as well.

And for the elderly it’s worse. They can’t stand for hours. Many don’t even show up because they know they physically can’t do it. Same with disabled people. It’s a barrier the old and infirm can’t get over. It’s essentially a form of “poll tax.” Make such a physical barrier to voting, many people don’t even try to vote, knowing they can’t possibly physically endure the process.

Bernie knows this. He just doesn’t give a shit and thinks that if the most reliable, older voters are eliminated, only young unattached voters, his most devoted supporters, will be allowed to vote by process of elimination. He doesn’t care about stripping people of their right to vote to benefit himself. That’s a feature, not a bug.

Caucuses proved to be such a barrier to voters, that many states have eliminated them since 2016. I can only imagine the ADA must have sued in at least some places. Only a few caucus states are left, which is why Bernie did much worse in some states. When everyone can vote, older people turn out in greater numbers and they don’t support him. Also, historically he did not do well in the South in 2016. So the next states coming up are not good for him.

Everybody vote for the hot old Catholic.

Biden celebrates ‘another good night’ after primary wins in Michigan, Missouri.

Many jokes on Twitter this AM about how lazy BernieBros expect other people to go out and vote for them, just like they expect other people to pay for them.

And how are the Bernie Bros reacting to those jokes?

They haven't read them yet, R380. Their parents don't wake them until noon.

R366 we clearly already knew that per the PollTroll.

Poll: Bernie Sanders does well with Latinos — but not in Florida

A new poll shows Latino voters are backing Joe Biden over Sanders in Florida.

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is the favorite to win the Latino vote in the Arizona primary next week, as he has in several states so far.

But things are different in Florida, where former Vice President Joe Biden is currently besting Sanders among Latino voters by an 11-point margin, according to a Telemundo poll released Wednesday.

The state polls, which were conducted in early March and sampled hundreds of likely voters, show Sanders is preferred by 47 percent of Latino registered voters in Arizona, a state that Democrats are hoping to turn blue in 2020. Biden, meanwhile, has 40 percent of their support. And in a direct matchup with President Donald Trump, a majority said they would support either Sanders or Biden at rates of 68 percent and 72 percent, respectively.

But in Florida, Biden is preferred by 48 percent of Latino voters in the state, compared to 37 percent who support Sanders. And the poll shows Sanders in a tie with Trump in a direct matchup in a general election. Biden, however, would win in a landslide with Latino voters there, with 58 percent support among Latino voters compared to 38 percent who would back Trump.

It’s not surprising that Sanders is performing poorly among Latino voters in Florida, a swing state, despite successfully capturing the Latino vote in the Nevada, California, and Texas primary contests. Whereas Mexican Americans made up the vast majority of Latino voters in those previous contests, Florida’s Latinos are primarily Cuban, Puerto Rican, and Venezuelan, and they have different political preferences.

Cubans in particular tend to lean more conservative and backed Trump in 2016. Both Cubans and Venezuelans are also wary of socialism, so it follows that Sanders, a self-identified democratic socialist and progressive, isn’t getting their support.

According to the poll, Sanders is performing particularly badly in southeastern Florida, where there is a large Cuban community. Only 19 percent of Cubans — compared to 65 percent of Puerto Ricans — would vote for him in a contest against Trump. And 70 percent of Latino voters in the state said they wouldn’t vote for a candidate who described himself as a socialist.

Cubans are also more satisfied with their health care options than other Latino groups in Florida, a plurality of whom cited health care as their top priority in the poll. That means that Sanders’s signature issue of Medicare-for-all might not resonate with Cubans.

In Arizona, voter preferences play much more in Sanders’s favor. Roughly half of Latino voters say their communities are being “widely persecuted or discriminated against” under Trump and want to “change the direction [he] is leading the nation.”

Sanders has been trying to appeal to Latino voters with a progressive policy platform on immigration, but that isn’t the only issue that motivates them. He has also been speaking to their core interests, including health care and jobs. Starting last summer, he has poured resources into spreading his message, in both Spanish and English, to Latino communities. And he’s hired Latino staff from the grassroots advocacy community and integrated them into every facet of his campaign.

Fudge Bottom 2024!

IIRC, there were only three states where the R's won by one point in 2016: Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania. So maybe, in the long run, thank God for Bernie's love affair with Fidel Castro? (I would have loved Bernie as pres but I think Biden is a more likely winner against Trump so I'll take him - what choice do we have - Gabbard?)

Biden is winning white men, and non-college-educated whites, who would not vote for Hillary Clinton. White men who declined to vote for Clinton flocked to Biden this year.

Trump is still tweeting about Pocahontas. What a warped mind.

Do you suppose there's a single person around Bernie who isn't a sycophant, and can have an honest conversation with him?

I mean, just put aside MS and MO for a minute. He lost every. single. county. in Michigan. There is no revolution in the offing.

Even Ilhan Omar was on Twitter last night saying "Of course we need to support the nominee."

Bernie has won ND.

I WANT AN INVESTIGATION!

How is this possible? How were those stadiums filled with Sander supporters? Who are they? Where did they go on election day? Who are these small donors? How is all of this money being raised by Sanders and yet he can't bring out the vote?

G-d BIden still looks good for his age. That man definitely didn't have to buy his wife like that fat tub of shit who's squatting in the WH. I'll bet that Anusmouth will be having extra McDonald's delivery in his jealous rage over how much more attractive his competitor is going to be.

EAT YOUR FEELINGS, FATTY 45! EAT THEM ALL UP!

Also, Bros: Did you notice that after unrelenting attacks for six months, Warren supporters didn't end up rushing into your waiting arms?

Thoughts?

[quote]Bernie has won ND.

The dream is still alive!!!

Biden’s winning big because people want 45 out of office. Also because of Obama sentiment.

It has little to do with him as a candidate.

"Bernie has won ND."

That might matter if they had something in ND called "people"

Biden is winning big because he's also not Burnie.

Thank God!

Biden is winning big because he's also not Burnie.

Thank God!

Burnie winning ND is still him losing ND.. nets him the same 5 delegates there as Joe!

Burnie winning ND is still him losing ND.. nets him the same 5 delegates there as Joe!

Joe is the opposite of Trump. Thank God.

Shall we place bets as to whether or not Burnie suspends his campaign before this thread maxes out?

California: Bernie’s 186 vs Biden’s150 delegates. That's made up for just by Mississippi.

So African Americans built this country - and now they're gonna save it?

I don't want to get carried away, but I'm starting to think Biden could defeat Trump. I had pretty much resigned myself to Trump's re-election, but I don't think Biden will generate the same backlash that Hillary did.

Biden has the support of white working-class voters and suburban voters who didn't vote for Hillary.

[quote]So African Americans built this country - and now they're gonna save it?

As ever.

Apparently #DemExit is swirling on Twitter this morning.

That's depressing.

R405, me too, but only if we show up in large enough numbers to counter any rethug/Russian interference.

It’s clear that “rigged system” is Russian asset code for getting more votes.

Jane, Weaver, what's the real source of all that campaign cash? Where does it go later?

Some Bernie people are trying to focus on Biden's youth numbers, but I counter that if Bernie's youth numbers were all that great he would have had a better showing. I think the truth is Bernie is having just as much trouble getting young people to the polls as the other candidates. What we're seeing with Biden is black people, the suburbs. and people who wouldn't vote for Hillary coming back together. Will this hold in the general, we'll see. But I like where this is headed.

Is Bernie going to acknowledge this before his next thrashing.

[quote]Will this hold in the general, we'll see.

It will hold. Trump as is despised. As long as Biden can hold up he can count on going to 1600 Pennsylvania.

Trump is so scared of Biden. He still can't accept that Bernie lost and keeps on tweeting about people stealing his nomination. He must be really terrified that people already rally behind Biden to get his fat orange ass out of the WH.

I mean Nicolle Wallace and Rachel have pointed out over and over that he was so desperate not to run against Biden, he was willing to get himself impeached.

Can't Twitter connect those dots?

Sanders surrogates are now demanding a series of one on one debates between Sanders and Biden where Biden has to explain his past positions and why he aligned with Republicans so many times.

Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.), co-chair of Bernie's presidential campaign, said today that there is “no doubt” that Biden has “polling and momentum” in the Democratic presidential primary race but that Sunday's debate in Phoenix is still happening.

Way to go, Bernie. That's just what we need now. You causing more division among Democrats by attacking Biden in a televised debate when you don't have a fucking prayer of getting the nomination.

We’re they expecting future debates to be something other than one on one?

*Were

That's what the side who knows they are losing does. Demands more and more debates.

Will Burnie have to answer to his NRA ties?

I'll paraphrase this but I'll try to be as complete as possible. I'm in my office and a work colleague (he has to talk to somebody about this--so far, it's the air) is going on about Biden.

-He thinks that Biden has dementia and that the MSM is covering for him. He has gone on and on about Biden's gaffes and not knowing who his wife is versus his sister. He mentions Joe's cursing and calling a woman some name and says that this is a sure sign of dementia. Had Trump done this the MSM would run headlines for weeks.

-Joe's campaign is only allowing him 7 minute speeches because they know that is all that he can handle. The debate is sit down because Biden can't stand long. He believes that Biden will drop out because of mental illness. It's very obvious that he has dementia.

-Trump was right about coronavirus. Other countries now wish that they would have closed their borders too. The United States isn't suffering as badly because of what Trump has done.

There's more. But, I have now tuned him out.

[quote]We’re they expecting future debates to be something other than one on one?

Hey! I'm still in this race! I'll debate!

Of course it was going to be too much to expect Burnie to bow out with any sort of dignity. All he knows is disruption and kicking and screaming like a toddler.

Sound familiar?

[quote]-Joe's campaign is only allowing him 7 minute speeches because they know that is all that he can handle.

He spoke for over 10 last night.

Trump can’t talk less than twenty minutes even for a 3 minute Fox segment. It doesn’t make him Anymore coherent Or truthful.

"Morning Joe" nailed the debate issue. Bernie is hoping for Biden to mess up and cause people to have buyer's remorse. What many seem to forget is that this debate format is one where Biden excels! Sure! It's been a some years but look at video tapes of when Biden debated Paul Ryan in this format (made mince meat out him) and there is no need to mention Caribou Barbie--who actually held her own when she went toe to toe with him. That's because NO ONE knew what she was talking about!

[quote] Trump was right about coronavirus. Other countries now wish that they would have closed their borders too

Does he realize that this is NOT what happened, that we did not in fact close our borders, hence the spread of the disease?

2016: A whole lot of people hate Hillary, think that Trump is just saying things to get elected but will grow into the job.

2020: Most everyone likes Joe Biden, realizes what a complete and utter danger Trump is to America.

Nothing to do with "you ran a moderate and she lost" or "Russia interfered"

This will all be about a "Return To Normalcy" and Joe Biden is about as normcore as you can get.

People are tired of someone yelling and creating drama on a daily basis. Hence the anti-Bernie backlash.

[quote]Does he realize that this is NOT what happened,

Oh, honey... You just let a person like my colleague rant until they lose their voice, get tired, and fall asleep. Let them get it out of their system. You don't feed into it.

Biden has the coalition that rejected Clinton and voted for Trump. Biden wisely offered a hand to Sanders and his supporters last night. Does Bernie want his legacy to be four more years of Trump? Sanders would need to over-perform miraculously on the 17th including Florida to become delegate relevant again.

[quote]Sanders would need to over-perform miraculously on the 17th including Florida to become delegate relevant again.

Well, in fairness, Biden had a 24 hour turn around. So, just maybe....

Biden had a fabulous day yesterday- beat Bernie handily, brought in strong numbers from demos we need that HRC couldn't get in 2016 and gave a brilliant speech that is perfect for this time and against the raving moron currently in the White House. Seemed humble, extended olive branch to perennial sore loser Burnout and his cult. Perfect time for Bernie to do the simple math and step aside but, of course, he won't. He's as disgusting and delusional as his followers.

Coronavirus really has me down and scared, but at least sane Dems came together to put up a candidate who could actually win in Nov. Bernie would have been George McGovern all over again, losing in embarassing fashion and costing us up and down the ticket. Jim Clyburn is a national hero.

R423 That person is deep into the Trump psychosis, and would never in a million years vote for a Democratic challenger.

Joe's speech last night was one of the best in this election cycle. He's getting better of sticking to what's on the teleprompter and making it seem authentic, like it's coming from his heart. His essential likability is unassailable , despite his slips, which do seem more than just an old stutterer with a lifelong inclination to gaffes.

Main point - he's not got the native distrust and annoyance that many felt about Hillary. Oh, there'll be versions of "Joe sells children out of pizza parlors! He's washed his email server in acid!! Wikileaks says he... says he... um, wait a minute...." The Ukraine stuff about his son is weak, and will just point out the monetary gain the Trump children are gaining.

Joe is Teflon, unlike Hillary. Anything can happen still, but Trump is, and should be, very, very nervous.

Biden is bringing out the voters the Democrats will need in November.

Hey R423. Tell your ranting co-worker that Joe (and the rest of us) says he's "full of shit".

R430. A lot of people are not enamored of Biden. Many don’t even think he’s the best democratic candidate. They just think he’s the only one who can beat 45. The guy bombed in his last two tries. Let’s put away the fangurl talk.

If Hillary was running this time out, she would win too.

Well, there’s a leap in logic (or lack thereof) you don’t see every day.

[quote]If Hillary was running this time out, she would win too.

I don't know about that. I voted for Hillary but I'm not really a fan--never was. She just never really inspired me. But, the woman is definitely competent and probably the most qualified person to have ever run for president. But, clearly the nearly 30 year campaign by the Republicans to make her a villain has worked and it has stuck. So many people HATE that woman and 98% of them can't tell you why. They just HATE her!

Totally agree with you R430. People are tired of the anger and non-stop outrage that's coming from all directions daily. Joe's demeanor and character are pitch perfect for this election season.

Biden dominates Ryan in 2012 debate

Joe Biden dominated Paul Ryan during a vice presidential debate in 2012. Director of Virginia Center for Politics Dr. Larry Sabato, Author of "Landslide: LBJ and Ronald Reagan at the Dawn of New America" Jonathan Darman and presidential historian Doug Wead join CBSN to discuss.

If Bernie and his whining 'Progressive' shitheads fuck up our chances of ousting Anusmouth from the WH I hope the karma they reep is swift and merciless.

[quote]If Bernie and his whining 'Progressive' shitheads fuck up our chances of ousting Anusmouth from the WH

We're working on it!!!

R443 Oh, it would catastrophic and toxic. Everyone connected to Bernie would be a target of the public and the media. There wouldn't be any peace for any of them.

And on top of that. Bernie isn't even a Democrat. Why can't he just go away quietly? We want Trump gone in November.

Washington is tied, splitting the delegates. What do you think the chances are Biden edges out Sanders in the final count?

r446 - I think there's a good chance Biden wins WA. I certainly wouldn't put money on Bernie winning anything at this point.

Burnie still has an excellent shot at winning FL!!!!

To all the people bashing Hillary now please remember the strong economy and leadership of Bill Clinton during the 90s. A time I will always remember as incredibly stable, peaceful and prosperous. I was in high school and college during the 90s and did not have a care in the world. Also remember the huge surplus when Clinton left office in 2001. I strongly believe Hillary could get the country back on track, restore US reputation in the world and unite the country with strong leadership after 4 years of Trump. She would probably easily achieve the same Bill Clinton did in the 90s - unite the country in a time of crisis and prepare the country and economy for a uncertain future of climate change, international crises and shifting economy challenges.

There’s a certain percentage of BernieBros that have never been Democrats, and they think if Bernie can’t win, they would like the country to be destroyed by Trump out of revenge.

This idea has some historical precedence. When Hitler knew he was going to lose WWII, he gave the order to destroy large swaths of Germany, destroying food, roads and anything else the invaders could use to support themselves. He didn’t care about the resulting suffering by the German populace, who would have starved to death. He actually said if Germany lost, that proved they were inferior and deserved to be destroyed. (Luckily, his generals didn’t carry out those orders).

The interesting thing about this situation is that I don’t think Bernie himself wants the country to be destroyed by Trump, it’s his cultist followers. They worship Bernie and think, as Hitler did, that if the U.S. doesn’t elect Bernie, the U. S. deserves to be destroyed because it has proven itself to be inferior and should be destroyed. They don’t care about the resulting suffering to innocent people either.

The irony is that they say their movement is to “save” people, but if they can’t win, they want those same people to have their lives ruined or outright endangered.

We were never going to get those votes no matter who the nominee is. We need to quit pretending those people are Democrats. They aren’t. They’re a third party that has infiltrated the Democratic Party at the invitation of Tom Perez, who invited them in. That level of fixed, extreme belief, with an inability to adapt to new circumstances, or compromise in any way, suggests a form of mental illness that’s unrelated to politics.

Rep Clyburn said the debates should be cancelled and to "shut down" the primary and get behind Biden. This is not a way to get voters behind Biden. Millions of people have still not voted and they want their voices heard. Once again we have a coronation of the nominee. The dem establishment wasn't for Biden, but they were afraid Sanders would win the primary and that is the reason they got behind Biden.

R451 Biden was very careful last night to "be humble" and not declare it was over prematurely. If Bernie on his own decides to stop, with some "unity agreement" with Biden, that'd be good. Otherwise let it play out. How they handle the inclusion of the Bernie movement into the general election will be telling about the Biden campaign's strategic wisdom and skills.

And yet, Bern Bros were gleeful that Sanders would get a Coronation.

Funny how that worked out eh?

It's funny that when Warren suspended her campaign Burn Bots were screeching:

[quote]She wasn't silenced. She ran a bad campaign and made terrible decisions

And yet they can't accept the fact that their dear Daddy Burn Out ran an even worse campaign and made terrible decisions.

Burn Outs are too stupid to know how stupid they are.

The Bernie Bros are really starting to put some of the Trumpers into perspective for me. At least some of the Trumpers have jobs. Thanks, hypocrites, for making me hate them a little less in comparison.

Right-wing media is playing the "Democrats are making a horrible mistake nominating Joe Biden" card today, so you know they're upset it isn't Bernie.

Move on guys. Burnie and his Bros will be history in a couple of days. Not really worth our time and energy anymore. Let's focus on defeating Trump.

I can understand where Clyburn is coming from. The nominee is going to have a lot of ground to make make up. Trump has been campaigning for years now and has amassed a huge war chest. The sooner the nominee and DNC are able to pivot to the general election and start fund raising the better. Ego and "feels" are going to put the nominee at a disadvantage.

r4567 Exactly the kind of short-sighted miscalculation that will deliver the election to Trump. 200k Sanders voters in PA, MI and WI voted for Trump in the general election. We need a broad coalition to win. Strategically reaching out to the 40% of the Dem electorate who voted for Sanders, and feel very passionate about policy, is simply the smart thing to do.

Biden should meet with Warren, with AOC and discuss policy and the best ways to properly implement progressive policies into his administration.

It would push him further to the left and win more support.

The notion of incrementalism to achieve any of the causes important to Bernie, his supporters and truthfully many centrist Democrats should be embraced.

Warren can and should help with that.

Bloomberg should help by spending his money on no-nonsense ads that bluntly point out how Trump hates everything Bernie and his supporters wanted, and that he’s only lying to them to steal their votes from the only candidate that can possibly make even some of Bernie’s vision a reality - Joe Biden.

Bernie to speak at 1PM/ET

Has Bernie had any kind of official statement at all today?

Posted too soon

Do the betting markets have anything about what he’s going to say?

People may not be in love with Biden the way they were with Obama R438, but there isn't a 20 year history of strong negatives the way there was with Hillary.

She'd still struggle in 2020

I am always baffled as to why her DL Stans can't accept the fact that although it may be based in completely fallacious logic, misogyny and irrational thoughts, there are millions of people who otherwise vote for moderate Democrats who hate her and the fact that she thought she could ignore that is why we have Trump.

Bernie is going to piss me off. I already feel his narcissistic rationalizations coming.

Will Bernout put America over his ego?

AOC sounds deflated in the wake of Bernie's disastrous showing last night

""There's no sugar-coating it. Tonight's a tough night. Tonight's a tough night electorally," Ocasio-Cortez told about 8,000 viewers on Instagram Live on Tuesday night.

[bold]But the congresswoman declared "generational" victory [/bold], arguing that the future of the party supports the kind of radical change she and Sanders are pushing for and has already won "enormous, decisive arguments on many, many issues."

Amazing. Losing is "victory" bringing about generational change by the generation that didn't fucking bother to vote.

[quote]Will Bernout put America over his ego?

Why would he start now?

That's either some talented spinning or total delusion she's got going on there, R468

It’s Over

For Bernie Sanders, for the second consecutive election, “there is just no path to victory.”

RONALD BROWNSTEIN 9:06 AM ET

After two insurgent campaigns that rattled American politics, Bernie Sanders’s dream of becoming the Democratic presidential nominee is effectively over.

Tapping an enormous wave of grassroots energy in both bids for the White House, Sanders galvanized young people, transformed online fundraising, and changed the terms of debate in the Democratic Party on issues ranging from health care to college affordability. But as his defeats last night made clear yet again, his unflinching call for a “political revolution” could not build a coalition broad enough to capture the ultimate prize.

Former Vice President Joe Biden remains well short of the 1,991 delegates needed for a nomination on the first ballot at the Democratic National Convention in July. But his resounding victories last night, and his widening delegate lead, prompted even some of Sanders’s ideological allies to question whether the senator from Vermont should continue his campaign.

“Sanders should start thinking through what outlet he has to draw concessions from Biden, and it’s not clear to me that continuing a presidential campaign that does not have a path to victory is one of those options,” says Sean McElwee, a co-founder and the executive director of the liberal research and advocacy group Data for Progress, which has been polling extensively in the primary states. “I think he should … think soberly about the reality. I don’t think there are any states right now he is favored to win.”

Others on the left did not go so far. The Progressive Change Campaign Committee, which had endorsed Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts before she withdrew, issued a statement urging Sanders to remain in the race at least through this Sunday’s scheduled CNN debate in Phoenix. Robert Reich, a leading liberal economist and a former labor secretary under Bill Clinton, likewise told me Sanders should push forward through the debate.

“People are going to be asking themselves as they watch that debate who is going to be better able to take on Trump one-on-one,” Reich said. “The stampede toward Biden was remarkably fast. That shows that his support is not absolutely steadfast, so it’s at least possible that if his debate performance is very bad on Sunday, Bernie Sanders could have a renaissance.”

But across much of the party, Biden’s triumphs in Michigan, Missouri, Mississippi, and Idaho confirmed the message sent by his victories on Super Tuesday: that the question is no longer whether, but when, the former vice president becomes the party’s nominee against Donald Trump.

She's engaging in ageism and it will work against her. People tend to become more conservative in their views as they age.

Also, 8000 isn't huge considering it was a national address.

If Biden can’t keep moderates, he will lose. Biden does not need to be Bernie 2.0. Bernie 1.0 lost being Bernie.

Biden is trying to bring in moderate Republicans who hate Trump. That way, he not only gets votes, he takes them away from Trump.

You may not approve, but taking disenchanted Trump voters away from Trump is how to win. A lot of those people are now registered Independents and Democrats. Swinging the party wildly to the left will drive them out. Along with most of the Biden voters.

Bernie himself is pushing the party to the center by being so uncompromising and extremist. Many Democrats don’t want to vote for Socialism. Socialists need to form their own party.

[quote]It would push him further to the left and win more support.

He doesn't need to do that, and it would hurt him with white suburban women, who don't like Sanders, Warren and AOC.

The things that Biden needs to do now is pick a female running mate and increase his outreach to Latino voters. If he does that, then he will be in good shape going into November. White suburban women were the ones who gave Democrats a resounding victory in 2018 and they will be the deciders in 2020 as well. Harris and Klobuchar are the potential VPs who appeal to this demographic. Stacey Abrams is not appealing to them, and she doesn't have the experience to become president should something happen.

As in last week’s contests, Biden last night dominated among African Americans; led among college-educated white voters; and even topped Sanders, albeit more narrowly, among blue-collar white voters, who had preferred the senator in each of the year’s first four contests. Compounding Sanders’s problem across the country, the young voters who generally preferred him by large margins over Biden consistently represented a smaller share of the total vote than they did four years ago, according to exit polls conducted by Edison Research for a consortium of media organizations.

“If he’s not going to win working-class [white voters], and he’s going to lose [black voters] massively, and the turnout is all with his opponent’s people and not his … there is just no path to victory,” says Tad Devine, who served as a senior strategist for Sanders in 2016 but is unaffiliated with any campaign this year. “It’s just that simple.”

Biden tried to project confidence in his victory speech last night, delivering conspicuously calm and measured remarks focused on the general election. And he offered the kind of conciliatory praise for Sanders that usually comes at the end of a primary race. “We share a common goal, and together we will defeat Donald Trump,” Biden said. “We will defeat him together.” Sanders, meanwhile, spoke volumes about his precarious situation by choosing not to speak at all last night.

While Democratic leaders more or less tolerated Sanders’s continuing his 2016 campaign against Hillary Clinton until June of that year, the party’s desire to beat Trump will likely make it much less forgiving of another extended crusade, Devine told me. “Biden needs the spring and the summer without Bernie,” he said. “I think Bernie is smart enough and reasonable enough to recognize that [it’s irrational] to keep this thing going for the sake of—what?”

Another option for Sanders could be to remain in the race in order to keep attention on the policy issues he cares about, but to mute his criticism of Biden. Jesse Jackson, who endorsed Sanders last weekend, followed that model in the latter stages of the 1988 Democratic primary, which Michael Dukakis ultimately won. Several Democratic operatives, though, say one major difference between 2020 and 1988 could complicate this approach: Sanders’s aggressive network of supporters is unlikely to muffle its criticism of Biden even if the candidate himself does. That could translate into escalating demands for Sanders to quit.

Beyond Democrats’ concerns about Trump, McElwee believes that Sanders will likely face more pressure to cede the field because of the coronavirus outbreak and the new constraints on campaigning. Such concerns prompted both Biden and Sanders to cancel events yesterday.

“Two things that are different about this year than 2016: One is … there are not going to be any races that he has any plausible shot at winning where he is going to be able to rebound,” McElwee told me. “And I think you had a little bit more mood among the electorate and establishment at large [in 2016] that said, ‘Let’s have a guy out there making a moral case.’ At this point … I think the Democratic base is much more terrified of Trump this cycle than last cycle and [is] going to respond less well to a long, drawn-out primary, particularly in the midst of a pandemic.”

The calendar doesn’t offer Sanders any reprieve. Next Tuesday, he must compete in Florida, where polls show him facing a cavernous deficit following his recent comments praising aspects of Fidel Castro’s rule in Cuba; Ohio, where he lost badly in 2016; and Illinois, where the state Democratic leadership has rallied around Biden and polls show the former vice president holding a hefty lead. Only Arizona, with its large Latino population, seems like it could be hospitable to Sanders, but even there the most recent survey found Biden comfortably ahead. Georgia, whose large black population establishes Biden as the clear favorite, follows a week later.

Vehemently agree, R473! W&W

Excellent points stated at R474, too

For Sanders, the losses last night were especially stinging because they came mostly in states where he ran well against Clinton four years ago. In that race, Sanders narrowly won the primary in Michigan; captured about two-thirds of the vote or more in Idaho, North Dakota, and Washington (where the elections were held as caucuses last time); and finished only 0.2 percentage points behind Clinton in Missouri. Only in Mississippi was he routed.

This time, though, Sanders continued to struggle to expand his support beyond the enthusiastic base that has filled his arena-size rallies and swelled his fundraising totals. Even at the outset of voting this year—when Sanders finished in a virtual tie for first place in Iowa and then won the subsequent contests in New Hampshire and Nevada—he attracted only between one-fourth and one-third of the total vote.

The big question for Sanders at that point was whether he could add to his coalition once the race consolidated, which it did with stunning speed when both former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota ended their candidacies and endorsed Biden just before Super Tuesday. Warren followed them off the field that Wednesday, after failing to win a single state the night before.

So far, Sanders, in key states, has failed to add to his base. On Super Tuesday, he exceeded 37 percent of the vote only in his home state of Vermont. In a two-person race last night, he drew only about 37 percent in Michigan, 35 percent in Missouri, about 33 percent in Washington, and an anemic 15 percent in Mississippi. Only in the smaller contests of Idaho (which he lost) and North Dakota (which he won) did Sanders cross 40 percent of the vote.

Demographic patterns largely followed the grooves cut on Super Tuesday. Biden ran up significant margins among college-educated white voters in Missouri and Mississippi, and carried them more narrowly in Michigan, a state where Sanders posted a double-digit advantage among them in 2016. Preliminary exit results also showed Biden winning those voters in Washington. Starting on Super Tuesday, Biden has won white-collar white voters in 13 of the 16 states in which exit polls have been conducted.

Biden last night also maintained his substantial advantage among African American voters. He won the support of nearly nine in 10 of them in Mississippi. As in 2016, Sanders has run more competitively among black voters outside the South. But even so, the exit polls last night found Biden winning about two-thirds of them in Missouri and Michigan, almost exactly matching Clinton’s performance last time. Biden has carried African Americans in every state with enough of these voters to measure in an exit poll.

Perhaps most disappointing for Sanders, the exit polls in Missouri and Michigan found Biden also narrowly winning the support of white voters without a college degree. (Not enough of them voted in Mississippi for the exit poll to record their preferences.) The preliminary exit results also showed Biden winning them by a slim margin in Washington.

Sanders carried non-college-educated white voters in Missouri and Michigan last time (no 2016 exit poll was conducted in Washington), and he targeted them this year by lashing Biden over his support for free-trade agreements and his earlier openness to cutting Social Security as part of a “grand bargain” with Republicans to reduce the deficit. Since Super Tuesday, Biden has carried blue-collar white voters in 12 of the 16 states in which exit polls were conducted (assuming his lead in Washington survives the final exit-poll revisions).

The sweep of Biden’s victory last night was best captured in the Detroit metro area. He beat Sanders by about 20 percentage points both in Wayne County, which includes heavily African American Detroit, and Oakland County, a white-collar suburb that has moved toward the Democrats in recent years. He also beat Sanders by about 17 points in Macomb County, the home of white, blue-collar “Reagan Democrats” who have drifted toward the GOP.

Bets that he's going to give a speech about continuing and flipping the Super Delegates?

One final headwind battered Sanders. In a repeat of Super Tuesday, Biden dominated among voters who self-identified as Democrats in Missouri, Michigan, and Mississippi alike, and he carried them more narrowly in Washington.

After losing partisan Democrats badly in his 2016 run, Sanders had performed more competitively among them in the first contests this year. But at his moment of greatest triumph this cycle, after winning New Hampshire and Nevada, he sent a series of belligerent signals to the party. Among them: insisting he is running against “the Democratic establishment,” renouncing any general-election help from the billionaire Michael Bloomberg, and declaring that he would only pick a vice president who supports Medicare for All.

These factors likely contributed to Biden’s winning streak: He’s now won self-identified Democrats in every state with an exit poll since Super Tuesday, save for Vermont, California, and Colorado.

“The other flawed theory of this [Sanders] campaign is that you can win the nomination of a major political party by running against that political party,” Adrian Hemond, a Democratic consultant in Michigan, told me. “Democratic activists have invested the last 25, 30, 40 years of their lives in the party, and he was saying this was all bullshit. How’s that supposed to work?’”

On Tuesday, at least, the answer was that it didn’t work. Now, at 78, with his second campaign facing a lower ceiling of support than his first, Sanders and his leagues of ardent supporters are confronting the near-certainty that after years of organizing and struggle, he will never conquer the Democratic Party as its presidential nominee.

R474 White suburban college-educated voters formed the core of Warren's base. Polling as of Jan 2020 show that 56% of Americans support Medicare for All... higher numbers for a public option. Many of the anti-Bernie posters here on DL are to the right of where most Americans are. Again, the skill with which Biden is able to bring the party together is important. If he's able to bring the party together, it will be a huge asset in establishing his principal message in the fall... he can "heal" and unite the country. Even on a small scale of a backwater bulletin board like DL, we should support that effort.

Also, over 30% of Dems have voted for Bernie. They need to be respected and invited in, not told to shut up and take it.

R479 Lots of revisionist history and partisan filters in that analysis. For example, there's not way to understand Trump other than he did run against the Republican party... successfully. Bernie and Trump had a lot in common... only the Democratic party was more strategic in its response. Does that mean success in Nov? We'll see.

[quote] Polling as of Jan 2020 show that 56% of Americans support Medicare for All... higher numbers for a public option.

Support for Medicare for All craters when people are told that they can't keep their existing insurance. Bernie supporters always fail to mention this. And of course, Bernie has no way of paying for it.

Of course Bernie has a way to pay for it, the stock market. Good luck selling that this week, Bernie.

R482 - yeah, alot of Americans are stupid. Many people didn't realize that the ACA was Obamacare. They don't realize Medicare for All means no private insurance for anyone. And old people vote, are already getting Medicare and generally don't give a shit about younger folks they think would mooch.

Can this thread be the Burnie finally speaks watching thread? Those that can stomach him feel free to keep the rest of us up to date.

Many of you seem to be forgetting that no one thought Trump had any chance of winning in 2016

So the idea was that whoever won the Democratic primary would be president regardless and so let Bernie and the kids have their fun because it won't matter in the end.

Per sources, he is announcing he is staying in the race, even though he cannot win, we desperately need to unite to beat Trump and we are facing a national health crisis and tanking economy.

Every time I think he's not a fucking asshole and Russian plant, he proves me wrong.

Apparently Sanders is not announcing he’s dropping out today ... will this bitch ever put country over self?

[quote]Apparently Sanders is not announcing he’s dropping out today ... will this bitch ever put country over self?

Why should he? There are donations to be had and new homes to build!!!!

Also, the person posting the M4A poll didn't say that support for M4A is unchanged in the last year yet opposition to it has grown slightly. The other thing to note is that in this year's poll, Kaiser left out the questions that showed that support for M4A drops when people are told that taxes will increase, loss of private insurance etc. Instead they asked the questions more vaguely like 'do you expect taxes to increase' and do not show if people think that is good or bad. So if 80% think taxes will increase under M4A there is no way to gauge how much of that 80% favors a tax increase.

Bernie will probably be a turd and call for even more debates since rallies are being canceled.

Unreal that I now hate Bernie Sanders as much as I hate Trump. That's quite an accomplishment. Other than those post office names, I guess the old hunchback did manage to do something, eh?

Bernie is speaking now live.

[quote]Apparently Sanders is not announcing he’s dropping out today

We need a special announcement for this?

Most ridiculous speech ever. Trumpian in hubris and arrogance.

They have a new summer house to build and a private jet to charter in order to stalk the Pope.

Told you, bitches!

Bernie completely misrepresented the youth vote. Typical progressive liar.

I hope Joe's ask Bernie how the fuck he expects to get his ideologically pure bullshit passed.

Bernie is counting on Vladimir, and the spirits of Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, and Jiang Qing, to ramp up the intervention in his behalf.

I this this is a long concession speech. He's trying to push Biden to answer his areas of concern before he drops out.

just a 10-minute free ad for Bernie. Can't believe his chutzpah.

That's what it sounded like to me, R499

Cannot believe that evil gnome made it sound like a concession speech, even admitting tons of voters tell him they prefer BIDEN?!?!!? Then he turned it to , of course, refuse to give up. Selfish egomaniac.

Classless, narcissistic hunchbacked bitch

Classless, narcissistic hunchbacked bitch

If there is a minimum age of 35 to run for potus, the oldest you can be and still run should be 60.

Also, we need fucking term limits. None of the geezers in power now will support that though.

I guess it's up to Florida, Arizona and Illinois to put the final nails in this fucker's coffin next Tuesday. I hope it's a total wipeout.

I guess it's up to Florida, Arizona and Illinois to put the final nails in this fucker's coffin next Tuesday. I hope it's a total wipeout.

[quote]I hope it's a total wipeout.

I live in Arizona, I'll do my part.

Bernie never, ever explains the costs of his twenty-five years old talking points. By now, he should be able to express the price tags for each. And how he will get any of it through Congress is still a mystery.

Not only will this cause him and his Bros to be hated but the stink will cling to his 'movement' and endorsers as well.

Instead of burning down 'the establishment', by risking our very nation to four more years of the treasonous clownfuck in the White House, he is burning down everything he says he cares about and everything those around him hold dear.

What a garbage bag of rotten assholes Bernard Sanders turned out to be.

R480, democracy means the majority wins and the non-majority does have to shut up and take it.

What Bernie supporters want is not democracy. They want the losers to win and the majority to shut up and take it. We’ve had enough of that from Trump and don’t need it from Socialists who don’t identify as Democrats, like the Democratic party or anything it stands for, or have any respect for the Democrats in the Democratic Party who have spent their lives voting for Democratic ideals in the Democratic Party.

Socialism is a completely different and separate form of government and the Bernie-centric version has nothing in common with the Democratic Party. Bernie just wants to use the Democratic Party to undermine the Democratic Party, insult its members and attack the Democratic candidates and eventual nominee.

Bernie wants to have a debate with Biden, knowing he (Bernie) will lose the nomination, so he can insult Biden and alienate voters on the fence, and help Trump. He wants to perform for Trump campaign ads. That’s disgusting. He might as well endorse Trump. He wants to act as a spoiler because he can’t win.

Form a Socialist party and have any rules you want and run anybody you want. Socialists do not agree with the Democratic Party platform anyway, many will never vote for Biden or any Democratic nominee. Run your own candidate.

Has anyone seen the latest numbers of the Washington state primary? Bernie said he was winning.

Joe and the DNC should just kindly disengage from Bernie.

I heard a lot of people in Washington mailed their ballots at the last minute and it takes days to count them all. As long as they are postmarked by Election Day, they count even if they’re late.

[quote]Has anyone seen the latest numbers of the Washington state primary?

Bernie leading by a thin margin, 69% reporting.

Right now, the Washington results are:

Bernie 335,498. 17 delegates

Biden 333,414. 17 delegates

That’s not really definitive. 67% counted as per AP.

Bernie haters here need to give it a rest. You are sounding like Trump deplorables - mean and cranky old farts. (I am a 69 year old white guy who did not vote for Bernie).

Sander's speech was masterful politics. Many of his supporters (over 30% of Democratic voters in primaries) are angry and disappointed. In 2016, 200k Sanders voters in PA, MI and WI voted for Trump, essentially giving him the election. That absolutely can't happen in 2020. He graciously pitched a high slow ball right over the plate for Joe... tell us the answer to these questions on Sunday. Essentially given him an open book final, eh? It's up to Biden and his campaign to craft a message now... this is the smartest was to build a coalition. Bernie saying today "ok, I lose, you win" and walking would only further distanced his supporters WHO ARE 30% OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.

Time for Joe to show us how smart he really is.

If you look at the results at R515, there’s a lot of votes for candidates that dropped out. Must be early voting.

That just shows, moderate candidates dropping out and endorsing Biden turned the tide. That primary moderate vote was split among Biden, Buttigieg, Bloomberg, Klobuchar. If it was held with live-only votes today, Biden would be beating Bernie like a drum. And even with hundreds of thousands of moderate votes split away, he’s still neck and neck with Bernie.

The only reason why the Sanders voters who went third party or Trump in 2016 matter is because many more moderates and POC just stayed home. That's not going to happen this time.

And this time around the 70% is pretty sick of the shit being pulled by the 30%.

Also, wat to go Bernie on making that generational divide even larger. You just alienated the reliable voters in favor a demographic that has declined even for you.

R517, nothing Biden can ever say will make rage filled, antagonistic Bernie Bros suddenly love moderation. Biden is not a Socialist and never will be. If someone is Bernie or Bust, let them take their vote to Trump or Gabbard as they’re are going to do no matter what, and concentrate on winning votes of actual Democrats. Democrats have to have somewhere to go between fascism (Trump) and Socialism (Bernie).

Some more reality-based Bernie voters will vote for Biden as the lesser of two evils. Many will stay home. Biden has to concentrate on getting the votes he can get, not shoot himself in the foot trying to get ungettable votes at the expense of loyal voters.

R520 You make a critical error of thinking there is "one mind" of a Bernie supporter. And I'd guess you typify that mind as of a certain kind of Twitter post. There are so many different kinds of Bernie supporters... but all of them care about the questions Bernie posed for Joe to answer on Sunday. It was, really, such a helpful thing to do for this sensitive coalition building.

#Bernieisfullofshit

R521, No, you’re assuming Bernie will be gentlemanly and have a civil discussion with Biden at the debate. No he won’t. He could have a CNN Town Hall with Biden if he wanted to do that, at any time along the campaign trail.

Bernie doesn’t need to go to a debate stage and bash Biden and claim Democrats are Republicans and Democrats are against the working man, and Biden hates the poor, or never heard of them his entire life and needs Bernie to inform him that the poor need help, because Biden is some entitled billionaire living in an ivory tower. That’s bullshit.

Every time Bernie goes on television he says the same thing: that if he wasn’t around, Democrats would be the enemy of the poor and downtrodden. That is ridiculous.

Democrats fought for the minimum wage, unions, Medicare, Social Security, welfare, unemployment insurance, Medicaid, OSHA, and every bit of social safety net there is while Republicans fought it tooth and nail and still fight it. And every thing the Democrats ever achieved was over the prostrate dead bodies of Republicans.

So Bernie claiming Biden wouldn’t do one damn thing to help the underprivileged if Bernie wasn’t there to make him, is insulting as hell. It’s the Democratic Party, not the Republican Party. Why doesn’t Bernie attack Republicans if he wants to help the poor? They’re the enemy of the poor, not Democrats. Stop attacking Democrats and claiming they don’t care about the poor. History does not back that up. If he really wanted to help instead of just stirring up shit, he’d attack Trump.

Bernie needs to quit using up all the oxygen in the room talking about himself so we can hear about foreign policy and Corona virus. Neither are being discussed enough considering what a big deal they are. Domestic economic policy isn’t the only thing that exists.

Burn Outs trying to make out that everyone ELSE sound like Trumptards.

Sure, Jan.

Washington results should be updated around 8 p.m. Eastern to include ballots received at the last minute.

R524 I am the one who suggested that the anti-Bernie flamers here sound like Trumpers. I am not a Bernie person. I am a Democrat, what a concept.

Sanders has no altruistic motives behind pushing for this useless debate. He's hoping Joe f*cks up big time. Hell, he probably secretly hopes Biden dies from coronavirus.

I fully expect him to be aggressive and nasty, as always, not trying to "bridge the gap" between Biden and his cult following.

R527 We'll see.

[quote]nothing Biden can ever say will make rage filled, antagonistic Bernie Bros suddenly love moderation. Biden is not a Socialist and never will be.

I am no Sanders fan but I don't think he wants to burn the house down, this time. I think he wants to be able to say I'd do it better, but I think you can see we've assured the direction of government under Biden, so lets turns our attention to defeating Trump.

Joe needs to stay calm and quiet on Sunday. Bernie has one speed: yelling. It will be tempting to tell Bernie to fuck himself but that's not what's needed this time. He can't run the show either, but in the short term, it's got to be a lot of talking about what they have in common.

I heard a commentator last night on CNN say the primary debates matter more than the presidential debates because by the time the presidential debates are held, the mind is made up. The presidential debates are confirmatory, for the most part, unless someone does something self destructive. I wonder if that isn't the situation with this last, final primary debate? Seems to me the matter is settled. I think Bernie knows it. He's trying to salvage some element of his platform but his remarks suggest he knows what he's offering is not what a majority wants. However, fairly, he points to a minority with whom he is resonant and I don't think he's wrong to try to preserve some of his platform reflecting their concerns.

R529 What a reasoned and thoughtful comment. What are you doing on DL?

[quote]Joe needs to stay calm and quiet on Sunday.

He must be presidential. He must look and come across as he did last evening. He must lead the conversation/discussion and always lead it back to Trump and respectfully ignore and be condescending towards Sanders.

Who is running this debate and who are the moderators?

I think the lack of an audience will probably help with either of them getting shouty.

[quote]Biden is trying to bring in moderate Republicans who hate Trump.

[quote]Bernie himself is pushing the party to the center by being so uncompromising and extremist. Many Democrats don’t want to vote for Socialism. Socialists need to form their own party.

Like it or not, many in the democratic party want it moved to the left. Not as much as the Sanders fringe, but many want REAL change. And they want the appeasement of Republicans to stop.

You can keep demonizing it as "socialism" all you want, but it's not going to stop the number of people who are disenchanted with the way the government bends over for the rich at the expense of the poor from growing.

We've played "to win" before. We've bent over backwards trying to appease those moderate Republicans. And we know where this road leads. The Republicans get absolved of all their dirty behavior time and time again in the interest of wanting to be "bipartisian".

The democrats keep shitting on members of their own party at the expense of a party that doesn't give two craps about them and certainly wouldn't do the same in return.

Timing is everything R533

While there are plenty of people who have gotten left behind in the new knowledge economy and the top 15%-20% seems to have put up a moat around affluence, the fact remains that after four years of Trump what more people want is four years of calm. If that means seemingly setting the clock back to 2016, so be it. They just don't want another angry New Yorker creating drama every single day.

Bernie did accomplish a lot. Many ideas, like M4A, that were once considered the domain of crackpots are now mainstream. That's a huge achievement.

[quote]what more people want is four years of calm. If that means seemingly setting the clock back to 2016, so be it.

To where the Republicans were obstructing Obama at every turn? They vowed to make him a one term President the day he was elected . They denied him a pick for the Supreme Court. They went so far as to say he wasn't even a citizen of this country.

As much as I loathe the Sanders "My high or the highway" crap, I equally loathe the "I just want peace or normalcy" bullshit. This era of where Republicans and Democrats worked happily hand in hand without any controversy has not existed for a long, long time. It's a fantasy, and there's too much to deal with right now to waste time projecting tall tales.

Yes R535

The nonsense that was going on in 2016 looks like an era of calm and normality after four years of Trump.

DL is always Fantasy Island when it comes to politics though.

Bernie Bros can't see why people don't want revolution after four years of insanity,

Hillary Stans can't accept that, right or wrong, lots of people who otherwise voted for Democrats hated her. Period. It doesn't matter why they hated her and if any of those reasons were valid or if all of them were grossly injust and unfair. They did and they decided that a failed reality TV show host was a better choice for president as a result.

Burn Outs can't seem to grasp that millions hate him and that's why he got his ass handed to him not only in 2016 but even bigger in 2020. It's so sad.

It's really awful that they're making the old, feeble, Burnie continue his senseless race.. all so Jane can score another $27 from morons and build another house. It's really elder abuse at this point.

R536. Talk about low standards.

Doesn’t say much for Biden either.

Biden now ahead by about 8,000 votes in Washington state:

BIDEN - 361,807 (33.66%)

SANDERS -353,754 (32.91%)

Yes, but Bernie is cleaning up with 20somethings who didn't vote.

Wasn't Burnie supposed to run away with WA?

How humiliating.

r541 I'm surprised, honestly. My WA election-watching experience is that those further left mail their ballots later.

Maybe Sanders would have run away with WA if Elizabeth Warren were still in the race. Many mailed their ballots in before she officially ended her campaign.

r541 I'm surprised, honestly. My WA election-watching experience is that those further left mail their ballots later.

Maybe Sanders would have run away with WA if Elizabeth Warren were still in the race. Many mailed their ballots in before she officially ended her campaign.

R531, spot-on.

CNN again but with annoying Univision. Guess what the latter will ask about, endlessly?

Nate Wasserman called Washington for Biden. "A comfortable victory." He's been right on all the other states.

Nate Wasserman called Washington for Biden. "A comfortable victory." He's been right on all the other states.

I groaned when I saw that Jorge Ramos will be in on the act again, R546.

By Thursday they should be able to declare that Biden has conclusively won Washington State.

[quote] Maybe Sanders would have run away with WA if Elizabeth Warren were still in the race.

Again, for the non vote-by-mail states last night, there was no evidence of a surge of Warren supporters flocking to Bernie.

Biden now leading in Washington by 11,000+ votes. So it looks like Bernie's only Tuesday win is North Dakota, which, surprise surprise, is a caucus state.

And in CA it looks like Burnie's lead has shrunk down to only 7 points. Pretty remarkable for Joe considering Bloomberg and Warren were still in the race at that point.

I could picture Sarandon, Sirota, Nina Turner, Glenn Greenwald going to Tulsi should Bernie drop out.

[quote]Biden now leading in Washington by 11,000+ votes. And in CA it looks like Burnie's lead has shrunk down to only 7 points.

I declare! I want an investigation! On what basis was a scenario pushed that new voters and young people were swarming to Bernie? Who were all of these people at the Bernie Sanders' rally? Whose money has the Sanders' campaign been collecting? I really want some answers here!

WHO IS IN CHARGE?

The people who show up to Bernie rallies turned out to be literally the only ones who voted for him.

Well, R555... maybe only half of them per his actual numbers.

But....but....he's so popular on Twitter! How can this be?

I'm even more popular on Twitter R557

And now I'm endorsing Biden

The Week Bernie Sanders Realized He Was Losing

Interviews with nearly two dozen aides, allies, and progressive operatives reveal a campaign struggling to reconcile reality with the emotions of a movement that simply fell short.

BURLINGTON, Vermont — The hard reality of Tuesday night wasn’t losing.

And he did lose. He lost Idaho. He lost Missouri. He lost Mississippi so badly that he may only barely pick up delegates. And he lost Michigan, the state that revived his first presidential campaign four years ago. The hard reality, evident days earlier, was much tougher to accept.

You could see it last week, when his motorcade arrived for a rally at the fairgrounds in Salt Lake City, and all they could do was watch as a seven-person field rapidly shrunk to a two-man race, with candidates flying in secret to line up behind Joe Biden in Dallas. As the news broke, a senior aide stood in the fairgrounds parking lot near a line of SUVs, visibly shaking with nerves.

You saw it back in his Washington headquarters, where staffers reassured themselves by digging back in, as if by muscle memory, to an old trench: “Did we really think they were going to let us have it?” they told one another. You saw it after Super Tuesday, a loss across 10 states, when some senior aides began to worry that Biden wouldn’t even show up to the next debate simply because he wouldn’t have to. And even as the campaign made a hard last play for Michigan, some aides said they could see “the writing on the wall” — and wondered if the boss did too.

Bernie Sanders promised a singular and unprecedented ability to bring young and working-class people into the political process, an antidote to the “same old, same old status quo,” a campaign of “energy and excitement.” But it was Joe Biden, not Bernie Sanders, who was expanding the electorate. It was Joe Biden who was turning nonvoters into new voters. Everyone knew who Bernie Sanders was. The other guy was just getting more votes — and how could he explain that?

A few days ago, when reporters asked in Phoenix, he couldn’t.

It was supposed to be his coronation!!!!

And now that he won't have his coronation... he'll scream and yell and try to destroy everything in his path.

So instead of Bernie's coronation, we get Biden's.

Warren would have made a much better choice than either of these fossils.

If so many people wanted such a big change in the Democratic party, why the fuck aren't they turning out to vote or getting involved at the local level?

Are these the same people who bitch that they've been working somewhere for a whole year and can't understand why they aren't the CEO yet?

Stop whining, bernvictims! Stop whing on the internet and GTFO and WORK! Shit posting on social media is NOT fucking work!

Find a local candidate who has your values and get involved in the campaign. Hand out flyers, organize meetings for like minded people and come up with a plan to elect AT A LOCAL LEVEL the people you want.

This means hosting fund raisers, knocking on doors, calling people, participating in debates, Town Halls and getting out of your fucking basement!

Right now, the MAJORITY of the Democratic party isn't buying what shoutyspitty is selling. Part of that is him. Part of that is the endless whining and entitlement of bernvictims.

Change only comes about through blood, sweat and tears. Not stomping your feet and pouting. Ask John Lewis about that sometime, why don't you?

If so many people wanted such a big change in the Democratic party, why the fuck aren't they turning out to vote or getting involved at the local level?

Are these the same people who bitch that they've been working somewhere for a whole year and can't understand why they aren't the CEO yet?

Stop whining, bernvictims! Stop whing on the internet and GTFO and WORK! Shit posting on social media is NOT fucking work!

Find a local candidate who has your values and get involved in the campaign. Hand out flyers, organize meetings for like minded people and come up with a plan to elect AT A LOCAL LEVEL the people you want.

This means hosting fund raisers, knocking on doors, calling people, participating in debates, Town Halls and getting out of your fucking basement!

Right now, the MAJORITY of the Democratic party isn't buying what shoutyspitty is selling. Part of that is him. Part of that is the endless whining and entitlement of bernvictims.

Change only comes about through blood, sweat and tears. Not stomping your feet and pouting. Ask John Lewis about that sometime, why don't you?

[quote]Warren would have made a much better choice than either of these fossils.

No, she wouldn't have--and, I like Elizabeth too. Warren's proposals were too drastic of a shift. But, that's one of the things I liked about her. I loved her quote (paraphrase); "I don't understand why people run for president if they're unwilling to go big." Well, she went big and it did not work for her. However, I believe that many of her ideas could be massaged and/or scaled to such a point that they could pass. I also LOVED Warren's energy! Of all of the candidates she came across to me as the one who loved meeting all of the people and was genuinely having fun!

But, this is another mystery; Warren basically wants the same thing as Bernie. Yet, she was crucified and Bernie is still around being a pain in the ass.

Prince Charles will invite all the septuagenarian male candidates to HIS coronation, somewhere between 2020-2026.

This is an interesting bit from the BuzzFeed piece at R559 and hope that Bernie may campaign for Biden for real

[quote] Meanwhile, a small group of senior aides had been pushing Sanders for months to go harder on Biden. The problem: Sanders actually liked him. Personally, they got along better than he ever did with Hillary Clinton, aides have said. (The former vice president falls into an exclusive category for the Vermont senator: the people who were nice to Sanders before he mattered, as two aides put it recently.) Back in January, it was the candidate’s decision to personally apologize to Biden after one of his surrogates, Zephyr Teachout, wrote an op-ed about Biden’s “corruption problem.”

[quote]Personally, they got along better than he ever did with Hillary Clinton, aides have said

Hmmmm, what's different about Biden....

Maybe Biden or Sanders can get Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan to duet a slightly-adapted hit by Annie Lennox and Aretha Franklin for their campaign song: "Geezers are Doing it For Themselves!"

Bernie gets along better with someone who isn't a woman.

SHOCKED!

[quote] Hmmmm, what's different about Biden....

It's the in next sentence of the article Cecil B.

[quote] [bold][italic] The former vice president falls into an exclusive category for the Vermont senator: the people who were nice to Sanders before he mattered, as two aides put it recently [/bold][/italic]

Biden is actually a nice human.

[quote]The former vice president falls into an exclusive category for the Vermont senator: the people who were nice to Sanders before he mattered, as two aides put it recently

Typical. And I bet the list of people Sanders has actually been nice to is just as short.

If Joe can win over Bernie Sanders, who hates 90% of everything, then I'm confident he can get enough Americans to fall in love with him to vote for him in November. Trump's toast.

[quote] one of his surrogates, Zephyr Teachout,

You're making that up.

Going by fivethirtyeight projections for March 17, when AZ, FL,IL and OH have their primaries, those under-30 urban Bernie supporters better start sucking up to African Americans and union people, maybe elbow-bumping and handing out (using gloves) stickers and flyers in person instead of coming here to DL and railing in all-caps. The AZ folk can sub in as assisted-living care employees and fill in the ballots while their charges aren't paying attention.

No, she ran for Governor of New York a few years ago. And then for Congress in 2016 and got shellacked.

R570 = Tell that to Anita Hill, Becky Bidengurl

[quote]then I'm confident he can get enough Americans to fall in love with him

Becky's got a crush!

Yes, dear, Uncle's looking great with that fourth facelift and new set of hairplugs! Very Wink Martindale meets the Joker!

Sanders has been in D.C. for 30 years. He has one endorsement from fellow Vermonter Pat Leahy and eight endorsements from House reps. 30 years, nine endorsements. Hillary was right, no one who knows him likes him except for a handful of socialist/communists.

Sanders has been in D.C. for 30 years. He has one endorsement from fellow Vermonter Pat Leahy and eight endorsements from House reps. 30 years, nine endorsements. Hillary was right, no one who knows him likes him except for a handful of socialist/communists.

Vermont DLers, what has Bernie done for your state? Why have y'all kept voting him into office?

R577, your MAGAt jealousy is giving me a giggle!

New thread in case it's needed:

I'm not bashing democrats like you are Becks. What your beef against Hills aside from her probably being a hundred pounds less than you?

I'm amused by irrational fangurls of candidates. "Falling in love with Biden". You orgasm over the dentures, toots?

Er, you have me confused with another poster, R583. I like Hillary and have never based her, anywhere. Check the poster's history to track the HilHater.

Dentures are ok, I guess. Better than gummin' it. 😘

Well, this is a gift... (sort of)

Apparently VP Biden had already scheduled a coronavirus speech for tomorrow. Who knew that Trump was going to give an address tonight? Talk about an opportunity to upstage?

Mike Memoli@mikememoli·1h

The Biden campaign didn't plan on @realDonaldTrump speaking on eve of @JoeBiden's coronavirus speech tomorrow when they scheduled it. But it ends up playing into what they had set up as a "presidential moment" and clear contrast

-He has a real opportunity tomorrow. Absolutely a gifted opportunity to truly Excel in what will be crisis management when he enters the White House.

-I think he could win the election tomorrow

OH! And, with 78% of the Washington vote count in Biden is leading Sanders by a little over 16K votes.

It looks like a big tranche just came in from King County, which flipped it to Biden.

If there's any place I thought Bernie would do well...

R587 Joe's a nice guy... more progressive now than he used to be. But all this momentum is about the intense hope that he's the best choice to beat Trump. Liberal socialist King County just wants to beat Trump.

The people have spoken....

Everyone wants to humiliate Burnie.

It bears repeating:

Burnie is deathly ill and hiding a serious medical condition.

Pass it on.

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California has 89% of the vote in and has Burnie leading at 34.2 with Biden at 27.4 which is actually really humiliating for Burnie as he was supposed to run away with it.

All Biden needed to do was keep it within single digits, which he has, to make it not even worth Burnie having won.

[quote]Thanks and respect to Bernie and his movement, who changed the Democratic Party and American politics forever.

Yeah, they elected Donald Trump President!

What are you smoking?

Don't lie, R593. Burnie accomplished a lot.

Making millions off of moronic cultists for one!

Burnie also accomplished being humiliated two weeks in a row!

And then deciding to stick around for even more humiliation! That's an accomplishment!

I sort of feel bad for Burnie being so goddamn humiliated. Especially considering his poor health.

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