**OFFICIAL SUPER TUESDAY THREAD, PT III. **

Previous thread linked below:

I would bet good money that Biden knows which state the Kansas City Chiefs are from. Really, the bar is beyond low with Trump on the other side.

With Trump , it's really not even about being old. Trump was never smart to begin with, and he's beyond intellectually lazy. Trump makes Sarah Palin look like a whiz kid.

It's Brit Hume on Fox news wants to bring up dementia and Alzheimer's Biden should sue his ass for slander.

What is Warren's endorsement worth at this point?

She has 4 delegates and didn't even when her home state. If she continues to stay in it whatever cache she has will just continue to fall. How much of an impact does she have staying in it over the next few primaries? She's not expected to win anything, right? So, what does she offer now in terms of a bargaining chip?

Brit Hume has issues himself: he needs to remember to close naughty browser windows for screenshots.

Just looked at my social media feed. One of my friends posted how they really hope that Bern Bros can come united this time around.

A few of this person's friends responded with things like, "Fuck the Establishment. I'm voting for Jill Stein AGAIN."

Someone should sit Brit Hume down 'A Clockwork Orange' style while showing him video of All of Trump's gaffe's on an endless loop.

"[R596] you're wrong and uneducated. Tulsi is young!!!"

Yeah, Tulsi for president, fucktard!

If Biden and Bernie voluntarily agree to take the SLUMS Test, it would put dementia fears to bed.

Or awaken them ........

IMO, I think yesterday was more about electing someone who can beat Trump, rather than a rejection of Sanders and Warren's policy ideas.

I wouldn't be surprised if in four years, after Biden's first term and we've mellowed out as a country, a "democratic socialist" gets major support across the country.

AP:

Bloomberg out, Biden resurgent after Super Tuesday victories

[quote]IMO, I think yesterday was more about electing someone who can beat Trump, rather than a rejection of Sanders and Warren's policy ideas.

It was a rejection of Sanders and sadly, mostly by the people who said they were going to vote for him but couldn't be bothered to show up.

R10, Bernie and Warren combined never had the numbers the moderates had as a group. And this time around, Bernie's support is even lower than 2016. There is no revolution.

Not a popular opinion on Datalounge, but much of Bernie's success in 2016 was from people who hated Hillary Clinton with the heat of ten million suns.

No one hates Biden.

Or to put it another way, Oprah is NOT going to be telling people "hold your nose and vote for Biden"

Also, Bernie Bros were mostly just snarky back then, backing Hillary's perceived uptightness and phoniness. ("I'm a progressive too! A progressive who gets things done!!!")

But today they sound like the NKVD or Mao during the cultural revolution and that is super offputting.

^^bashing

Has Maine finally finished its count yet?

If Biden really only wants to serve one term, they should pick the VP wisely. Someone who can run for president after those 4 years and profits from the name recognition and reputation and beat the next GOP candidate. We need a Dem in charge for at least the next couple of years to get rid of all these corrupt Republican house members and senators like Mitch McConnell or our democracy is really fucked.

It was a deliberate ambush by Joe Biden and his future cabinet members to ambush Bernie, but Bernie's not caving under the pressure. At least not yet ........

I have mixed feelings about either one of them as president. But if Bernie does pull this off, you can bet that none of his former running mates will be offered cabinet posts.

[quote]but much of Bernie's success in 2016 was from Russian Bots

Fixed it for you.

The prediction last night was that if Biden took TX and kept CA close the delegate count moving forward would be insurmountable for everyone else.

He accomplished that, no?

R18 Former running mates? You mean former opponents?

And you could absolutely count on "mainstream" democrats to fill up the cabinet of a Sanders administration. Albeit that looks pretty moot at this point.

The fact that Trump is pushing Bernie in his tweets is going to backfire badly on both of them.

Per Bloomberg Business:

At today's campaign update in Vermont, Sanders says there has never been a campaign in history “that has had to deal with the kind of venom that we’re seeing in the corporate community. This campaign has been compared to the coronavirus on television. We have been described as the marching Nazi army across France."

Sanders also says he has not been as successful as he would have hoped in increasing youth voter turnout. "I have to be honest with you we have not done as well in bringing young people into the process, it isn’t easy."

Howard Stern denounces Bernie Sanders as 'Karl Marx Jr.' and says he can't beat Trump

Howard Stern laid into Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders during a recent episode of his show, referring to the self-proclaimed democratic socialist as “Karl Marx Jr.”

The host was discussing the coronavirus during a segment on his popular SiriusXM show ahead of Super Tuesday before some big wins in key states allowed Joe Biden to contest what had been Sanders’ runaway victory to that point. Stern noted that he was less worried about the virus and more concerned with what’s going on in politics.

“I’m more concerned that Karl Marx. Jr. is going to get the Democratic nomination,” he said in a clip shared by Twitter user Barry Rubin.

In another reality, Bernie would be giving migraines to the other condo board members at The Glades at Boca Pointe, a Community of Important Estate Homes in Boca Raton West, demanding higher wages and pensions for the illegal immigrants who worked at the golf club and demanding that unoccupied units be used as "sanctuary condos."

Perez Is Confident That Sanders ‘Will Abide By The Rules’ At Convention | Andrea Mitchell | MSNBC

Perez needs to go.

Perez is an idiot if he does...

If it weren’t for early voting Biden would have probably actually WON California!

And according to Bloomberg’s staff he’s been surging so much that within 12 hours any polls were inaccurate because they couldn’t catch up with the momentum.

Sanders' share in states he won last night vs. his share in 2016: CA - from 46% to 36%. CO - from 60% to 36%. UT from 79% to 35%. VT - 86% to 51%, his share in his home state was down 44 percent... cue the reaper.

Like someone said above, his supporters are loud - but few. Let them decide if they are going to walk out or not. So be it, move forward.

Why does Sanders do so well in Utah?

Is it because all the Mormons are Republicans and the few Democrats are all very liberal and/or students?

[quote]If Biden really only wants to serve one term, they should pick the VP wisely. Someone who can run for president after those 4 years and profits from the name recognition and reputation and beat the next GOP candidate.

That’s why it needs to be Amy. She’s already been vetted during her own campaign and is qualified to take over on Day One if something happens to Biden.

And she’s strong in the Midwest and has crossover appeal to moderate Republicans, for when she runs in four years.

Re: R29

Wow! That's amazing! Hell yeah, Gentleman Joe!

Should it be said already? Bernie is practically out. Surely he will continue and in theory can win the nomination. Yet Joe has the momentum, is well liked and has a potential to win Trump, which is the most important thing. Liz should be out but it doesn’t really matter at this point.

I liked Biden more when he was the underdog. Now he is acting all cocky and confident, yelling his speeches and being just as annoying as Bernie. Tone it down Joe.

[quote] Now he is acting all cocky and confident, yelling his speeches and being just as annoying as Bernie. Tone it down Joe.

I disagree. He has to show that he has that fire in his belly for the position.

Fuck Bernie.

R31, LDS has long had a system of Socialism in place that actually works. (For this post I'm not going to go into the obvious downside of the top-down extreme control of sexuality and rigid system of beliefs.)

Anyone can get free food from their private storehouses, including beans, rice, oatmeal, canned vegetables. You're expected to volunteer a certain number of hours however to get the "free" food.

LDS members all give 10% of their income but get a number of services in return. They have excellent resources to find you a job which includes top level resume writing, job interviewing skills, etc by former HR Managers. So yes you're expected to always be working and improving your abilities. church leaders will be involved in all aspects of your life to help you so sloth is never tolerated.

In an emergency church leaders are there to provide services and resources. Likewise you're expected to be on volunteer committees offering the same help.

You'll notice that all small countries where socialism based on sharing is successful also has rigid controls in place to prevent the lazy from taking advantage of others. Similar backgrounds and values helps too.

Biden wins Maine!

So exactly at the moment Bernie should have shifted to be more open to all democrats, he doubled down and made "his movement" a takeover insurgency against the party. I think he, and his followers, believed that they would win... only problem they didn't get enough votes. Much more than the "establishment" working behind the scenes to boost Biden, it was this fatal lack of perspective. Exactly the voters Bernie needed for the insurgency to be successful, either didn't show up (the youth and first time voters down in 2020 from 2016) or were turned off and want "gentleman Joe" instead of the Revolutionary.

In short, Bernie did the "Cause" a disservice. Short-sighted lack of understanding that he needed to open up his appeal, rather than claim a victory he hadn't yet earned.

Jill Biden and Michelle Obama are close friends, no?

I wonder if Michelle has been calling Jill and offering advice.

WHEW! The Bernie people are spinning their asses off! "Let's wait for the full delegate picture." "There are tons of delegates out there and we believe they are Bernie Sanders." "Sanders has strong support in the Muslim community." "We feel very good about the upcoming races."

R42 I don't know if you say this as some kind of gleeful comeuppance or mean it... but I've been taken as to how so many Bernie advocates are being more reflective about yesterday. At least in all my social media feeds...

"Reflective"?

Are they still arrogant and threatening any Democrat who DARES to vote for other than Socialism?

Are they still threatening to vote for Trump?

You're one of them, R43.

[quote]I liked Biden more when he was the underdog. Now he is acting all cocky and confident, yelling his speeches and being just as annoying as Bernie. Tone it down Joe.

This is the Joe Biden that people want to see. His numbers were tanking when he was all low-energy and “Sleepy Joe”.

[quote]You'll notice that all small countries where socialism based on sharing is successful also has rigid controls in place to prevent the lazy from taking advantage of others

Are the Bernie Bros aware that they can’t refuse to work and be lazy under a socialist system?

[quote]In short, Bernie did the "Cause" a disservice. Short-sighted lack of understanding

That sounds like who should be running the country: someone short-sighted who lacks understanding.

The Dem voters in Utah are largely non-LDS.

R35 is a troll.

I kind of think Joe has teflon skin. I mean he has a 40 year history behind him and nobody seems to care. The Hunter Biden shit is BS and everyone knows it....the people who watch Hannity minds are made up anyway. The mainstream media better wise up and not take the bait

Wasn't UT an open primary? That may explain why Bernie won there.

My neighborhood Facebook group has a number of big Bernie supporters, and one of their chief complaints was that he was associated with that terrible Obama person. Is Obama not liked by the left?

[quote]The Hunter Biden shit is BS and everyone knows it...

But, here's the Republican strategy, and... it works. They just keep saying the same thing over and over and over gain. They take the attitude that if you say it enough that it will become the truth. Why do you think that they still pull out the old trick of Hillary Clinton's emails (as short as yesterday) and it can STILL generate headlines? It's the same with President Obama's birth certificate. Unfortunately, this strategy works. Until Democrats figure some type of rebuttal to extinguish this strategy the Republicans will continue to use it. Make no mistake we will all be hearing about Hunter Biden by this weekend.

R52, Obama's a moderate.

Those attacks only worked among their base, not with the general public, R53.

The problem with Hillary's emails was the way she handled it, more or less ignoring it, dismissing it, just assuming it will eventually go away, rather than confronting it directly herself. Moreover, Joe has the reputation of being a really decent guy.

I agree now with whoever suggested the virulent hatred for Hillary was a determining factor in 2016. Joe can get more votes than her just by not being the subject of intense loathing across the board. Remember that she only needed 77k votes in PA, MI and WI, and those places are already more Biden-friendly.

Plus now we know the threat of trump is real: in 2016, lots of people stayed home because “that bitch” was going to win anyway and didn't need their vote.

R55 is correct.

One thing we will see over the next few months is how much dislike of Hillary helped Bernie to carry on and how she was a perfect victim for Trump's bullying.

Not that it was justified, but it happened and we can't pretend it did not.

Has Warren dropped out yet?

Why haven't they reported more votes in California?

[quote]Has Warren dropped out yet?

She's "weighing her options." So, any day now.

Joe doesn't have to overcome the obstacles and challenges of being a woman. He can be decisive and strong without being called a bitch. Everyone knows Hillary was the superior candidate.

Joe doesn't have to overcome the obstacles and challenges of being a woman. He can be decisive and strong without being called a bitch. Everyone knows Hillary was the superior candidate.

[quote] Why haven't they reported more votes in California?

California is like its own country, with 40,000,000 people.

It'll probably take weeks until all the votes are counted.

Also, Voters can mail in votes through election day. As long as they're post-marked and arrive by Friday, they'll be counted. The state's been heavily encouraging mail-in and drop-off ballots, so there are a ton of votes out there. Since most of the mail-in vote will be from late-deciding registered Democrats, they should help Biden narrow the gap.

Yeah, but there is 13% of the vote still outstanding and the numbers haven't moved at all today.

And of course people will fail to mention the role Russia played in taking down Hillary.

That's actually a good thing, R64.

That way, Comrade Sanders couldn't claim victory on election night, even if he won!

I hope Biden beats him in California too

[quote]Those attacks only worked among their base, not with the general public, [R53].

I don't know about that, R55. That stuff can become so bad that it could possibly shake the die-hard of die-hards. I recall reading an article that when President Obama went back home to Chicago he found something in an old box in the attic that confirmed his birth in Hawaii and how relieved and excited he was.

The strategy works, It's unfortunate. Maybe the best action is to jump on our media for publishing such nonsense? I mean... we ALL know, (or, should know) that the Hillary email nonsense is just that--nonsense. But, publications raise the issue again as late as yesterday? Also, the press writes nothing about the egregious abuses of email by the Trump Administration? Maybe, it has to begin with us and our demanding truth and accountability with our media.

So, what is the point of Tusli Gabbard? I don't understand why she's in the race. She got one delegate from American Samoa, and that's it. Other than Putin, who is donating to her. Is this really just an extremely long audition for Fox News? Why hasn't she dropped after so many other, better candidates have exited the race.

Will she hold on to the bitter end? She's a non-factor, but I just don't understand why she is still in the race.

[quote] I just don't understand why she is still in the race

Because she's an arrogant cunt, and her pride won't let her quit.

She honestly believed that she stood a chance.

But hey, as long as Putin is paying her bills, it's not costing her a dime.

[quote]What is Warren's endorsement worth at this point?

Plenty. Warren attracts the progressives who aren't rabid like a lot of Sanders group is plus moderates who are on the fence with Biden and know that there needs to be substantial change in Washington and like the fact that Warren has plans for her changes.

If she endorses Biden, it could pretty much finish off Sanders campaign. But if she goes with Sanders and he chooses her as his VP, his campaign would no doubt be reignited and give Biden serious competition.

Remember Warren was pretty much finished at one point prior until she came back swinging. Do not underestimate her.

BernieBros have pretty much guaranteed that the vast majority of Warren's supporters will go to Biden.

According to the B-Bros, Liz is worse than Hitler, Pol Pot and Vlad the Impaler combined

Warren and Sanders are advertising heavily in AZ. Neither one stands a chance, Biden will take it without even airing an ad.

Pete has 10% of vote in Utah from early voting alone. He also has more than 10% of the early voting in almost all super tuesday states yesterday. He was on track to perform much better than Warren did yesterday.

He dropped out so Biden could win. I just don't know what to say.

For realz R75?

Because had Pete and Amy not dropped out, Bernie would have won

And Pete realized he was not going to win and that getting more votes that Liz Warren didn't matter

Sanders campaign will be mostly dead by the 17th. The primary calendar does not favor him. There will be no way he can catch up, but of course he will stay in until he drops dead any day now.

Sanders campaign will be mostly dead by the 17th. The primary calendar does not favor him. There will be no way he can catch up, but of course he will stay in until he drops dead any day now.

[quote] [R35] is a troll.

R49 is an idiot, I posted my opinion, someone disagreed with me and I let it drop, as I will this now. I am entitled to express my opinion, just as you are entitle to post your idiotic opinion. Everyone with an opinion is not a troll. I will vote for Biden if he is the nominee and I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee.

R75 R76 You do realize you said the same thing? That was cute.

Again for the anti-Bernie Pro trolls... you need to understand that Bernie supporters are really very diverse. Young DACA kids in Tucson and bearded wokesters in Williamsburg and old lefties in Oakland... may seem the same to the outside, but have radically divergent lives.

[quote]you need to understand that Bernie supporters are really very diverse.

If that is true then why is he so dependent upon the support of young people? Have difficulty attracting the middle age and elderly? His support among African-Americans and Asians is almost non-existent? And, has difficulty attracting White college age women?

R61 His support among communities of color is higher than white voters. I saw a pretty interesting analysis that his support among younger voters is because of a higher % of Latino, Asian, Black voters in that demographic, NOT because the young are inherently more leftist than their parents. As in, the difference between what young white voters think and their white parents is much less than the generational cohorts in general. Folks do make a mistake when they think Bernie supporters or one kind of voter.

Someone in the Part 2 Thread asked how the BernieBros were taking the results. I lurk Reddit b/c twitter turns into a cesspool faster than reddit. Even if you post an honest criticism of Bernie you get pounced on by a militant army of twitter warriors. I made a comment that winning 60% of 17% (youth vote 18-28) is barely 9% . But winning 70% of 60% (45+) is massive. I got hounded for it and opted to just browse reddit.

I can't post reddit threads apparently, but if you go to /r/politics you can see the delusion they have. There is a story on the frontpage that claims " Bernie Can Still Win the Nomination and Presidency". Go to that thread.

Of the states left Benie MIGHT win are WA, OR , and MI. 3 states, that's it. Bernie can only maybe get those 3 and it's a maybe. GA , FL and IL will demolish any gains from those 3 states Bernie might win. However, his win will not be like Biden's Virginia win. So it will cancel any sizeable gain. They also don't like to hear that Pete and Amy's vote totals from CA are the only reason Bernie "won" CA. They also don't like to see the congressional district map of TX which means Biden's ~5% win is massive as opposed to Sanders's ~9% lead in California.

Bernie's supports don't like logic and facts when it doesn't support their delusion. Sound familiar to anyone else's supporters????? Take a glance at this thread. There were foreigners commenting of the delusional level of bias that the politics sub-reddit had since they don't have frontpage stories celebrating Joe Biden. They have shit about youth vote failing Bernie and the states Bernie won. If you go to /r/SandersForPresident it becomes a sad comedy. I'll try to find the interesting posts. One guy was mocking them that upvotes on reddit don't mean shit if you don't get off bum and go to a poll. Lol, he go downvoted massively for pointing out they are living in a bubble on /r/politics. Oh and Liz is now a corporate Dem. who is revealing her true colors and apparently she has "always hated Bernie" , yet somehow they want her to endorse him. How very silly.

[quote]I am entitled to express my opinion

Mom?

At this very moment, somewhere in the U.S., there is a billionaire wannabe BernieBro whose feelings are hurt because Bernie wants nothing to do with them.

Think about that. #firstworldproblems #revolution

WHAT?!?!

R52, Obama's administration wasn't known for being totally anti-war.

Why rule changes will Bernie demand at the convention this year, even though he lost?

Bernie won't be winning Michigan. He probably will win Oregon and Washington's up in the air--Bernie won the Washington caucus, but lost its doesn't-count primary in 2016. He'll be clobbered in Florida.

What I noticed about the BernieBro Reddit crowd is that they are completely incapable of blaming Bernie or themselves for Bernie's failure. It doesn't occur to them that it's Bernie's fault for doing so badly with Black voters in the South. Or with white women. Or anyone who's not already a Bro. They can't admit that Bernie making excuses for Castro was the dumbest thing ever if you're going to make a run at Florida.

It's just whine and blame, whine and blame. Just like that orange oaf who also can never admit he's wrong, even as people die because he dismantled the CDC.

I am damn happy that Biden's getting a shot; he ain't perfect, but he's a grown-up.

Politics is ugly. It is not pure. It is about being in the game. You leave the game you have no role to shape the game going forward. "Establishment" voters were Blacks and College educated Whites who voted overwhelmingly for Biden. Stop with the "Establishment" or "Corporate" Dems- the VOTERS were Black and College educated Whites. The VOTERS have spoken. I love Bernie's message and ideas but we have to win. Incrementalism works. It really does. Once people actually see and feel something they feared (Obamacare, gay marriage) the dam breaks and they embrace it in exponentially higher numbers in a short amount of time.

Someone was asking about Secret Service for candidates

Back in 2008, I got to drive in Hillary's SS motorcade in Tucson and Bill's motorcade in Phoenix. Memorable. He's a night owl, wanted to hang at the hottest spot in Scottsdale at midnight. She walked way ahead of her (mostly rude) staff and the SS, like 50 feet at least. Not scared one bit.

Back in 2008, I got to drive in Hillary's SS motorcade in Tucson and Bill's motorcade in Phoenix. Memorable. He's a night owl, wanted to hang at the hottest spot in Scottsdale at midnight. She walked way ahead of her (mostly rude) staff and the SS, like 50 feet at least. Not scared one bit.

People on the far left don't understand we have not been able to experience a true Democratic Presidency since Johnson because we are always cleaning up the mess left by the previous GOP President (Watergate, Iran Contra/ Savings and Loan, Tax cuts for the rich, Tax cuts for the rich, tax cuts for the rich, wars no Dem president would ever have gotten into.......). As soon as we have total Dem control, the voters get angry because things are going "fast enough" for them or the Dems are "radical" for Obamacare WITHOUT the public option and we lose Congress. Clinton gave us actual Gun Control and tax raises on the rich, attempted health care reform and a budget surplus and lost his ass in the mid-terms. Obama gave us Obamacare and tax raises on the rich, saved us from a Depression AND did it while the deficit was going down steeply. These things are NEVER taken into consideration when the far left bashes the Dems.

Do you really expect us to believe that it was just a happy coincidence that most of the Democratic presidential candidates just happened to drop out at the same time, and equally coincidental that they're all supporting Biden ?

I know an good old fashioned ambush when I see one.

R96 Guess what, snowflake, that is the game of POLITICS! This is par for the course. It happens. The majority of voters and of voters in the Dem primary are not down with Bernie's brand of policies. You want to give up and not vote? Fine. But you are only enabling the side who actually does great harm to the causes you champion. Have no fear, Russian troll, purity comes to the snowflake which melts at the slightest temp change.

The GOP is the enemy. Period. If that is not CRYSTAL CLEAR by now you are hopeless. Fuck off. Voting means you will vote for more people you consider "lesser of the two evils" than for those you love. Even in a parliamentary system, you vote for the candidate that makes you feel good then they turn around and form coalitions with parties either more right or more left than you. You end up, you GUESSED IT, with what is essentially the Dems and GOP either way. Stay in the game, vote and fight for YOUR causes or not. OUR community didn't write off the Dems in 1990 because they didn't sign on to gay marriage. It took incrementalism to get us to the point many of us thought would never happen- gay marriage in every state. It is about JUDGES!

I love how the trolls scream ambush and yet weren't these same bros just recently saying Warren should drop out to help Bernie? That's right it's only not an.ambush when it benefits Daddy Bernie, right?

Fuck off.

Repugs are meddling in this election because they are wusses and didn’t demand a primary of their own.

Remind of them of that when they whine about “not having a good choice”

Pete really fell on his sword for Biden. Admirable.

R96, Of course it's not incidental. Biden showed that even with no money he had major pull with Black voters. Unlike you, they all know that if one candidate has that kind of pull with Black voters, that means they've got the South. So, no path forward for them.

Add in the fact that they all understand, unlike Bernie's idiot zealots, that a Marxist isn't going to win a general election in this country. The far left is 9 percent of the electorate--everyone else is to the right. 80 percent of Democrats are moderates or conservatives.

That means they don't want Bernie. So when Biden showed his strength (his win is truly remarkable given that he had no money and wasn't even trying to campaign in some of the states he won.), Pete, Amy and Tom Steyer did what they needed to do to support the strongest moderate candidate.

No secret conspiracy--the majority of Democratic voters don't want Bernie. He's unrealistic, divisive and made it clear that he was coming for the "Democratic Establishment"--i.e. moderates, educated white women, African-Americans--anyone who didn't buy into his Marxist framework.

He didn't give a fuck that his divisiveness gave us Trump. He's a fucking do-nothing revolutionary, after all. He *knows* he's right.

He's a total asshole, which is why his loudest supporters are assholes. He enables it. No wonder he admires dictators. He and Trump have that in common. It's not an accident.

Still no comment from AOC.

Biden rules; Bernie drools.

[quote]and equally coincidental that they're all supporting Biden ?

What made you think that Amy for example would side with Bernie? Did you not get that most of the candidates were centrists and didn't call themselves socialists?

By the way, why has Bernie insisted on calling himself a democratic socialist instead of a social democrat? I may be wrong but his platform sounds like the Nordic / West European social democrats?

It was smart of Pete to drop out and help Biden. He is still very young and has all the time in the world. Get a good cabinet position first, do a great job in office and work on your name recognition and he could run again in four or eight years with much better chances and support.

I feel like this election is over for me. No longer interested. Didn’t even get to vote in a primary. It’s always everyone else that gets to decide the outcome.

I know you'll be shocked this happened in Houston. FWIW, I voted at a grade school in a predominantly black area. Most of the poll workers were black with one Mexican-American guy. I showed my registration card and ID and voted without waiting late morning Tuesday. For Houstonians, I voted near West Little York at Antoine.

Watching Bernie Bro Shaun King's hours-long meltdown on Twitter was a thing of wonder. He even picked a fight with Rachel Maddow.

I could not help deliver my state to Bernie. I am worthless.

[quote]Watching Bernie Bro Shaun King's hours-long meltdown on Twitter was a thing of wonder. He even picked a fight with Rachel Maddow.

I ended up blocking him a long time ago, but I still got to see some of it because I follow her. She was responding personally to him, not having an assistant or her wife or whatever do it. It was nuts.

[quote]Make no mistake we will all be hearing about Hunter Biden by this weekend.

ABC News' Libby Cathey:

In a phone conversation (on last night's show), Sean Hannity asks Trump how he plans to use Hunter Biden “as a campaign issue.” Trump questions why Dems aren’t attacking the former vice president’s son, before offering a preview of his 2020 strategy: “I will bring it up all the time.”

I walked into the room and heard "9 to 5" playing on the news.

And heard them saying "She has yet to decide who to endorse in the 2020 Democratic primary. After the break, find out if our panel thinks it will be Bernie or Biden."

My heart stopped.

Then I looked at the TV and it was just footage of Warren at a rally shaking her hand at the sky.

If Hunter is an issue, then Don, Jr., Eric, Ivanka, and Jared are issues. Hunter is a mess, but if you want to bring the children into it, then let's bring the children into.

The only way to beat a pig is get into the mud with pig. No more we aim high when they go low bullshit. Democrats its time to get in the mud. I'm talking low down shit, in addition to all the shady business stuff. Flood the internet.

That's VERY DL R113

And it made me laugh.

Thanks!

Bernie Twitter was attempting to spread a rumor that she was about to drop out and endorse Bernie, despite there not seeming to be any evidence of that. Which is so unlike them.

I think she's enough of a pragmatist that she's more likely to go in for Biden or not endorse at all.

[quote]Bernie Twitter was attempting to spread a rumor that she was about to drop out and endorse Bernie,

They may have read this WaPo article:

Top surrogates and allies of Sens. Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are discussing ways for their two camps to unite and push a common liberal agenda, with the expectation that Warren is likely to leave the presidential campaign soon, according to two people familiar with the talks.

The conversations, which are in an early phase, largely involve members of Congress who back Sanders (I-Vt.) reaching out to those in Warren's camp to explore the prospect that Warren (D-Mass.) might endorse him.

Welp, if true, that clinches my disdain for Liz, R117.

Enjoy kissing up to trash who are openly abusing you, Darling.

That's not saying her campaign is.

[quote]If Hunter is an issue, then Don, Jr., Eric, Ivanka, and Jared are issues. Hunter is a mess, but if you want to bring the children into it, then let's bring the children into.

And, no one asks about the taxes anymore...

I'm telling you! Republicans KNOW how to play this.

R103, R110 That's two down: it appears members of "The Squad" don't have much influence in their own states. Bernie lost Minnesota and Massachusetts. We'll see about Michigan next Tuesday and New York next month, but I suspect all four of them will prove to have been useless in getting the voters who know them best to support their candidate.

Why, then, does anyone think they have a future or that their ideas are viable or that their endorsements translate to votes? They will be further marginalized assuming they are re-elected.

Because they are held to a different standard, r120. Do you think a democrat would be allowed to get away with not holding daily press briefings? Do you a think a democrat would be able to get away with all the massive fuck ups and blatant lies this administration has gotten away with. The media has let us all down. They have enabled this presidency.

Hunter is fresh fruit, ripe for the picking, but he's rotten on the inside.

He will continue to be the thorn in Joe's side. I doubt it will be enough to derail the campaign, but it will once again prove to be a huge embarrassment.

No one cares about Donnie Jr. and Eric anymore. The world knows they are huge assholes whose time has come and gone.

Trump is the incumbent. Joe's got to fight a lot harder to prove himself worthy.

[quote]The media has let us all down. They have enabled this presidency.

Nope. We have done this to ourselves. We should be at the point of burning down houses because we have not seen those taxes. Republican Ron Johnson; "I think that Democrats have the right to know the full story about Hunter Biden prior to voting."

Ahem... what about the Trump taxes?

Oh I agree with you R125. Democrats should have taken to the streets years ago, but they can't seem to turn Twitter rage into boots on the ground. The fact that we have not seen Trump's taxes and gotten a thorough heath report on him is awful.

NEW FLA POLL:

Biden 61%, Bloomberg 14%, Bernie 11%, Warren 5%

[quote]Biden 61%, Bloomberg 14%, Bernie 11%, Warren 5%

A 27% bump for Joe ... and 2% drop for Bernie.

I think the Democrats need to commit to some tough lines that drag the Trump spawn into that line of attack.

They also need a short, sharp Burisma bullet proof line that puts Hunter's activities in a box (which I don't think are that ghastly... look a guy like Hunter Biden didn't have the capacity to offer much corruption... who did he know? His old man wouldn't have got in on the gig. Hunter offered marquee value (and a sad representation of that.) There's ways to phrase it.

And the thing to do is reframe it anyway: The Republicans are terrified of losing the election because they fear [italic] their[/italic] corruption will be exposed. So they're purposely telling lies about this. The fact is (one sentence goes here). But Donald Trump/Mitch McConnell/Mike Pence/frightened Republicans know if they lose power they're at real risk of real trouble and they're terrified.

The big threat to handling Burisma will be Joe's desire to be a gentleman, I worry.

I think there is a really opportunity here to leverage Beto, Pete (and even Chasten) as working surrogates on the campaign... fanning out to rallies and meetings as if they were the candidate. More bang for the buck, helps them establish their political brands. I hope they take them on and use them heavily. It can't all be the Joe show, doesn't need to just be the Joe show and could be a marvellous rich showing of Democrats of all kinds.

Not every Dem is a rockstar, but those three are.

The nice thing is no matter what they throw at Biden Dems and surrogates can just roll their eyes and say: Well what did you expect? This is what they always do.

AOC is voting blue no matter who.

Someone on Twitter was making fun of Bernie who supposedly released a campaign video edited to make it look like Obama was endorsing him. Has anyone seen this? The ridicule was about making the misleading effort and at the same time rallying against, "the establishment."

The Bernie Obama video is embarassing and reeks of the desperation that his campaign clearly feels. One of the clips of Bernie walking with Obama is supposedly from the "talk" they had in 2016 when Obama asked Bernie to back off and give Dem nomination to HRC. Pathetic that Bernie is now using this to pretend Obama would back him in any way. This coming from the lunatic who tried to primary Obama in 2012. Delusional egomaniac asshole.

The Bernie Bros are somehow justifying this ad. They really have the mentality of Deplorables- Bernie could shoot someone in broad daylight on Fifth Avenue and they are so brainwashed it would somehow be justified "for the cause."

You're judged by your enemies:

Republicans, rooting for Sanders, see Biden wins as setback. From "The Hill"

by Alexander Bolton 4 hrs ago

Republican lawmakers are surprised and disappointed by the results of Super Tuesday, which firmly re-established former Vice President Joe Biden as the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination and dealt Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) a major setback.

[bold]Republican senators conceded Wednesday they would rather face Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, as the opposing nominee, instead of Biden, whom they consider more mainstream and tougher to draw a contrast with. In the battle for the Senate, Republicans would like to tie Democratic candidates to Sanders and socialism, and generally see Biden as a stronger candidate. Similarly, Democrats were uneasy about Sanders as their standard-bearer, and Biden has made this a point of attack on the campaign trail, arguing he would help Democrats take back the Senate.

“I think Bernie is the easiest to contrast with. Biden would be a little harder to contrast with,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.). “Truly, I think it’s better for us for Bernie to be the nominee in terms of down-ballot.”[/bold]

The day after Biden’s big wins, Democrats received the welcome news that Montana Gov. Steve Bullock is poised to enter the race against Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.). Bullock would be a huge recruit for Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.). Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said last year he wanted to make the 2020 election a “referendum on socialism,” a plan that would be helped immensely if Democrats nominate Sanders, who advocates for “Medicare for All,” free college, student debt forgiveness and a wealth tax.

[bold]With Biden re-emerging as the favorite to win the Democratic nomination, GOP lawmakers acknowledge 2020 is likely to be more of a referendum on President Trump.[/bold]

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) called Biden the “safe pick” for Democrats. He said Sanders was “an easier target because he admits his socialism.” Other Democratic candidates “believe in most of the things he believes in, but they don’t call themselves socialists,” he added.

[bold]GOP lawmakers thought they even had a chance of winning the House with Sanders as the Democratic nominee. Now that hope is fast fading, according to a GOP senator who requested anonymity to assess the presidential race.

“Anybody who wants the president to have an easier time with reelection, I think Sanders clearly helps that outcome,” said the Republican senator.

He said the speculation among Republicans on Capitol Hill on Wednesday morning was “if it’s not Sanders, Republicans probably don’t get the House back.”

“If it is Biden, that makes it a different outcome in the House,” the lawmaker added. “I don’t think the country is at all close to where Sanders is.” [/bold]

But...but...but...I thought Bernie and his Bros hated Obama and his policies, R133?

Until he can mooch off of Obama, right? Just like he hates the Democratic party but mooches off of it, every four years for a few months.

Disgusting little hunchback mooch.

NYT Twitter: Scoop: 🚨 WARREN will do call with all staff call shortly and announce afternoon visit to her Chalreston HQ. News: she's dropping out

Warren out according to CNN.

Elizabeth Warren, Once a Front-Runner, Will Drop Out of Presidential Race

ELIZABETH IS OUT!

Warren will have a press conference later today.

I'm just cryin' so hard, on behalf of mommas and babies everywhere...

Warren better not endorse Bernie. He and his Bros have treated her and her supporters like trash.

If she endorses Burn Out it means she enjoys the abuse.

[quote]Trump is the incumbent. Joe's got to fight a lot harder to prove himself worthy.

He simply has to [italic]breathe[/italic] to prove himself worthier.

Someone made a good point in another thread:

In 2016 Burnie couldn't get a single one of his colleagues to endorse him.

How many endorsements from his fellow Senators did he get this time around? Anyone know?

No paywall....

Maybe she won't endorse.

If she endorses Biden I hope it isn't because he offered her VP.

I hope I am wrong but based on the timing of the announcement, I think she will endorse. Or, there's a deal.

Announcement of the announcement (now)

Call with staff (shortly)

Press conference later today... kinda gives Bernie time to hop on a plane, doesn't it?

[quote]Press conference later today... kinda gives Bernie time to hop on a plane, doesn't it?

Hop on a private plane and what? Stalk the Pope (again)?

The Sanders' supporters unfettered attacks on fellow democrats have an impact. There are repercussions . Liz is not going to endorse Bernie today. Lots of Warren supporters (like me) are not going to rush into the Bernie camp, even though his policy positions are much closer to what I want to see.

"If Hunter is an issue, then Don, Jr., Eric, Ivanka, and Jared are issues."

That's why we're here.

Someone said 80 percent of Dems were moderate or conservative. No, dear. Moderate and liberal, yes. Not far left just you average liberal. When someone says they are conservative I always quiz them on issues and policies. They are usually pro-liberal issues or policies by 80-90%. If they are not down with liberal policies on a few issues they usually use sweeping generalities or platitudes when supporting a conservative position. Ex: "I just think we should have a secure border." They believe this is a conservative position when that is bullshit. Also, conservatives don't want a secure border. Certainly not for the cheap labor it provides big business and certainly not for the FL shores where Cubans can step foot on land and are citizens because, oh yea, they vote GOP so that is A OK.

r127, I early voted for Biden in Hillsborough county today.

Biden will take Florida easily in the primary.

The general is another question.

I have a feeling that Liz is leaning towards Bernie.

[quote]I have a feeling that Liz is leaning towards Bernie.

I have a feeling it's not going to make much of a difference either way.

If she supports the man who allowed his followers to repeatedly call her a, "cunt," well then she isn't as bright as I thought she was!

So one of the criticisms about Bernie is that he hasn't bothered to do anything to address pursuing the black vote... so the logical thing for him to do is cancel his one event in the south.

R159 well 1) a lost cause is a lost cause (it’s like a Dem trying to win Alabama in the general) and 2) it’s not a huge delegate getter anyway. There’s only so much time he has to prioritize, even I get that.

Regardless if it's a, "lost cause," it's about the optics... which obviously Burn Out doesn't understand... or care about.

R161 look...Biden didn’t even go to half the states he won. If Bernie loses again it’s not because he didn’t go to MS.

R162 look... Biden hasn't been dealing with criticism for ignoring a certain section of voters for two election cycles.

Further, if your strategy is to win the nomination and then the Presidency... you're NOT going to do so by making black voters feel ignored.

With all the boo-hooing going on in the Bernie and Warren camps now, I realize I’m actually a Democrat who enjoys liberal tears!

Hillary 2020!

Seriously, is it too late for this? She would absolutely level Plump this go round.

It would be sweet justice.

[quote] Seriously, is it too late for this?

Seriously, yes. You don’t build a Presidency winning organization from scratch in the spring of an election year. Not to mention that she’s missed the filing deadlines for most if not all of the upcoming primaries.

[quote] Seriously, is it too late for this?

Seriously, yes. You don’t build a Presidency winning organization from scratch in the spring of an election year. Not to mention that she’s missed the filing deadlines for most if not all of the upcoming primaries.

I'm so HAPPY that Bernie and his supporters are being called out for their nasty and vile behavior! GOOD!

[quote]No, dear.

I pretty much hate gay men who call other men "dear". It makes me think of my Aunt Mable.

I think Liz is staying out of it. Biden isn't progressive enough, and Bernie is... Bernie. If she was going to endorse she'd have done it yesterday, I think. But she said lets take a step back or some such. That's a pause button. And now the Maddow interview calling out Bernie for failing to manage his maniacs.

She'll do a pro forma endorsement late in the game, for either of them. But I don't think she's going to lend what support she can to either bid to win the nomination.

I'd like her as VP if Bernie somehow does this. She'd be the right side of the spectrum with that gang of Clampetts.

What’s wrong with Aunt Mable, I wonder.

^ Big bush supporter. Closeted pussyhound.

The black vote did not harm the Bernie Sanders campaign, the douchebro culture of his followers did. Once California is fully counted they'll be close again and the momentum can always turn around.

The douchebro vibe of the Sanders people won't change though...

I feel so much better about Joe's chances (in primary and general) now that I see that people are finally getting real about Bernie. He has alot of really loud, evil supporters who will go as low as possible in his name. This could have gone so badly for the Dems, had the moderates all stayed in to divide the vote and if they hadn't endorsed Biden. I can't fathom the appeal of Sanders to anyone (even those looking for free college- they can get that from Warren, who is less insane, actually tries to get along with people and provides details (too much IMO)).

Dems so easily could have been Rethugs in 2016- a divided moderate vote forces us to put up a lunatic fringe player with an angry, aggressive cult following. I bet the Berners split in 3 ways- some going to Dump (they like an old white man who yells at them and just complains), some go to Biden (those who are not totally insane) and some stay home. In any event, Bernie's sad not so Super Tuesday numbers show he's alot less popular than he was 4 years ago.

Does anybody really think Bernie's going anywhere? I don't. He can't be forced to quit and his army will stay solid. He will refuse to go anytime before the remaining debates, I'd guess in the belief he can weaken Biden in a showdown.

Then he'll probably run as an independent. This is a movement, not a campaign. You don't let a little thing like democracy and votes and majorities get in the way of that.

I agree, R176. People like Nina "Kunta Kinte" Turner are not going away anytime soon. The BernieBots want revolution and they are probably already planning the numerous disruptions upon Vice President Biden and the Democrats.

Please don't agree with me, R177. The Kunta Kinte remark was ugly and unnecessary at best, racist at worst.

The Bernie bros won't vote for either of them, R175. And some of 'em, anyway, know he's a goner already. But their revolution rolls on...

They're proving that they don't vote anyway. So, why waste any more time on them?

Their movement would be better off if they ditched that lipless spitting hunchback and started small.

You're not going to convince anyone your way is better by screaming, insulting and attacking them.

[quote]The black vote did not harm the Bernie Sanders campaign

It most certainly did. How do you think Biden swept the South and made himself viable again?

The black vote didn't harm Sanders... it decimated him.

The black vote is the only reason Biden won South Carolina making him viable and therefore the only reason Pete and Amy dropped out. Their dropping out and endorsing Biden went on to help Biden take TX, MN, MA, and make it a closer race between Joe and Sanders everywhere else. That would not have happened without the black vote being behind Joe.

Further, it's because of the black vote that Biden can put so much distance between himself and Sanders. By winning those states by huge margins, he's grabbing more delegates away from Sanders. Sanders' win in other states is negligible as Joe's keeping it close in those states so Sanders can't make up the delegate difference.

So to say the black vote hasn't harmed Sanders is very uninformed.

It was the Douchebro movement that hurt Bernie Sanders. It is pretty clear that if only his people were a bit more humble, Bernie would be running away with it.

What hurt Bernie is Bernie. It's pretty clear nobody is interested, despite his cult following. He can't even get the people who support him to vote for him.

The entire thing that Bernie was trying to sell was that he had this legion of new voters who were going to storm the ballot box and kick off a revolution. Well, legions of voters showed up...for Biden. Bernie's even lost support in areas where he was strong the last time. Hell, his win in his own state wasn't even as big as it was in 2016.

He's had four years to build his movement, and if anything, it's cratered.

Lazy people want $$$ and perks without having to work for them. That includes seeing their fav elected...without actually doing the getting off their ass and voting part. Too much like 'work', KWIM? No free concert at the polls and if they left their room, Mommy and Daddy might expect them to look for a job.

Tweeting and engaging in various forms of harassment is as 'active' as these people get.

R186, excellent point. What has Bernie been doing these last four years? He had four fucking years to build a coalition, and he’s done squat.

Clearly, he put together a powerhouse fundraising operation. I'd say I would like this looked into a bit more. Once again, he's filled stadiums to capacity, and has raised a helluva lot of cash, but he can't get his people to turn out and vote? It's not adding up.

This question has been posed over and over...

In 2016, Burnie could not get a single one of his colleagues to endorse him. It's been four years so how many was he able to get this go around?

That in itself should be telling about what Burnie does and doesn't do.

[quote]Clearly, Russia put together a powerhouse fundraising operation.

[quote]This is a movement

It is so not.

Go read up on actual revolutions.

[quote]What has Bernie been doing these last four years?

Hey!

I have a name, you know!

[quote]Bernie recently said whoever wins a plurality of the delegates on the first ballot should become the nominee (though he said otherwise in 2016). Once it’s clear he can’t possibly win a plurality on the first ballot, will he flip yet again? Asking for an opportunist friend.

R194 brilliant.

This thread by a Bern Victim who voted Drumpf in 2016 is classic:

Can't wait until next Tuesday, when Bernie will get his ass handed to him again.

I hope people are telling Brad Lee he is a fucking moron.

Brad Lee said he voted Drumpf to spite Hillary. People called him a moron and he got pissed at them saying people shouldn't attack others for their mistakes when they voted with good intentions.

He then called out for sayong he had good intentions yet clearly saying he voted to spite Hillary.

He then went on to saying he had no idea that Drumpf was who he is and it was an honest mistake he shouldn't be blamed for .

Everyone pointed out that Hillary warned everyone who he was and what he would do... And moron Brad Lee said he never heard her say that.

Will the coronavirus thing have an effect on the race? Seems pretty stupid to be holding rallies under these conditions. What if Joe or Bernie gets it?

Apparently Brad Lee got his ass handed to him because those tweets are gone.

Idiotic fool needs to get the shit kicked out of him. I fucking here these stupid bernvictims.

Fuck all of them and their endless victimhood.

I see TheYoungTurks are now pushing the "Biden has dementia" angle.

Bernouts and Trolls are doing the same on Reddit, R202.

The morons also keep screeching about the "Establishment," keeping Daddy Burn Out DOWN... and yet they cant acknowledge that their fellow supporters didnt turn out to vote.

So fucking gross.

[quote]So exactly at the moment Bernie should have shifted to be more open to all democrats, he doubled down and made "his movement" a takeover insurgency against the party.

Yeah, but no. Bernie's "takeover insurgency against the party" was always his singular goal, and in candid moments he and his supporters have even cheered on "dismantling" the Democratic Party! The bizarre thing is they act surprised everyone didn't just go along with them.

It's called "hubris".

[quote] So when Biden showed his strength (his win is truly remarkable given that he had no money and wasn't even trying to campaign in some of the states he won.), Pete, Amy and Tom Steyer did what they needed to do to support the strongest moderate candidate.

Pete, Amy and Tom Steyer did what they needed to do to support the strongest Democratic candidate.

FIFY!

[quote]I feel like this election is over for me. No longer interested. Didn’t even get to vote in a primary. It’s always everyone else that gets to decide the outcome.

I bet you have a rotating list of reasons why you don't vote. I can smell a non-voter's logic a mile away.

No one should want Trump to die. He would be a martyr for all eternity if he dies.

[quote]What if Joe or Bernie gets it?

As long as Joe Biden picks a qualified younger running mate...I’d be fine if he dies early on and the VP takes over from Day One.

His undoing is partly a result of the rules.he himself demanded. Amazing.

"Bernie Sanders was dreaming up picking up a net 300 delegates over Joe Biden in CA, but Biden’s surge has limited him to a 56 net delegate gain. The delegate rules that Bernie Sanders helped to craft, including the 15% viability threshold for a candidate to earn delegates, have been his campaign’s undoing. The Sanders strategy to win the nomination was always to stay consistently at 25%-30% support in a large Democratic field where the vote was split. Sanders has never received 51% of the vote in any contest so far. Even in his home state of Vermont, Sen. Sanders finished at 50.7% of the vote. Bernie Sanders invested millions upon millions of dollars in California. The state was critical to his entire argument for the nomination, but Biden’s momentum was more powerful than Bernie’s cash, and the tiny net delegate advantage that Sanders is getting out of California is why it is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible for him to catch Joe Biden."

My favorite part of the primary season so far is Bernie getting screwed by the rule changes that he himself insisted upon.

HA! It is finished...

Jesse Jackson endorses Bernie Sanders for president

Washington (CNN)Civil rights leader and former presidential candidate Rev. Jesse Jackson Sr. on Sunday endorsed Sen. Bernie Sanders for the Democratic presidential nomination.

"With the exception of Native Americans, African Americans are the people who are most behind socially and economically in the United States and our needs are not moderate. A people far behind cannot catch up choosing the most moderate path. The most progressive social and economic path gives us the best chance to catch up and Senator Bernie Sanders represents the most progressive path. That's why I choose to endorse him today," Jackson said in a statement.

"The Biden campaign has not reached out to me or asked for my support," he added. "The Sanders campaign has, and they responded to the issues I raised."

The Sanders campaign said Jackson plans to speak alongside the senator at an event in Grand Rapids, Michigan, on Sunday. The state will hold its Democratic primary on Tuesday -- a key state for both former Vice President Joe Biden and the Vermont senator.

In an interview Sunday with CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union," Sanders said he's "proud" of the endorsement, and lauded Jackson as "one of the great civil rights leaders in our country."

It's hilarious that Burn Out reaches out to Jesse Jackson to woo the black vote rather than... reaching out to black voters himself.

The thing about Bernie getting slapped by the rules HE WANTED is he assumed Pete, Amy, and Mike would have egos as big as his and not do something for the greater good. Just like he refuses to do anything for the greater good.

When they all saw what was happening (or got the call), they knew what they had to do to win the WH back.

Bernie doesn't GAF about anything but himself so of course he's going to be mad and blame the team players for his own hubris. Same thing with his cultists. Now they're attacking Joe on social media because "he made Pete and Amy drop out!!11!"

[quote]Same thing with his cultists. Now they're attacking Joe on social media because "he made Pete and Amy drop out!!11!"

They've gone crazy today (Sunday). It seems as if the whole campaign is in a state of hysteria. They're throwing darts at anything in hopes that it hits. The campaign must see data that it doesn't like.

I’m so glad Jesse Jackson endorsed Bernie. If he had endorsed Biden, the Bernie campaign would have called Jackson anti-Semitic. This way Jesse gets to show he’s evolved and Bernie can’t use that weapon.

I don’t think Jackson will move the black voting population much at all. Win-win-win.

Is Jesse Jackson even relevant anymore?

Joe Biden is senile. I hope Biden's advisors don't make him debate Trump

Bernie is gravely ill and going to have another heart attack any day now.

R218, Russians are really pushing the senile talking point these days--saw it come out of the Russian propaganda-fueled Zero Hedge.

Trump really is senile (as well as a classic case of NPD). Bernie really does have serious medical issues, which is why he won't release his medical records.

Biden has a stammer for which he compensates by grabbing the wrong phrases. Something he's done his entire career. And yet he was a highly effective senator and vice president.

I realize the repeat-a-lie-so-often-people-think-it's-true is standard GOP dirty politics, but try to be a slightly better person.

That stammer line is bullshit, and everyone knows it.

R221, No, we don't know that. Here read this--actually read it and then tell me how it's "bullshit"--include your expertise on the issue.

Dementia would show up on health records, which Joe Biden has released.

Try again, desperate bitches.

Health Records? What are those?

Anybody is better than Plump. Don’t let that get lost in the propaganda.

Propaganda's flying fast and furious today--Putin and his Rethug Puppets are worried that his left-wing puppet is about to drown in the chilly waters of Lake Michigan.

Bernie's younger voters are unaware what heart attack + Bernie's age + stent as opposed to bypass + stress actually =

Unaware OR more likely, just ignoring reality again.

Like Bernie is, by not releasing his health records. If he doesn't show them, the dire results aren't true!

The number of pro-Sanders articles and comments on r/politics has plummeted about 95 percent over the last week. All they are talking about today is Jesse Jackson's endorsement, like that's something to touting. How many $27 donations did Jesse get? Let's see whose endorsement means more - James Clyburn and Kamala Harris or Jesse Jackson? Hmm...

The number of pro-Sanders articles and comments on r/politics has plummeted about 95 percent over the last week. All they are talking about today is Jesse Jackson's endorsement, like that's something to touting. How many $27 donations did Jesse get? Let's see whose endorsement means more - James Clyburn and Kamala Harris or Jesse Jackson? Hmm...

Sanders paid Jackson for the endorsement. That's how Jackson works.

Jennifer Granholm gave a helluva interview to SE Cupp on her show Saturday about how much Biden was involved and did for Michigan during the auto crisis and beyond. He should put that in a campaign ad and run it nonstop. Biden did so much and doesn't get the credit he deserves.

I could be wrong but I think that Bernie is going to get his ass WHUPPED tomorrow...

CNN poll: Biden has double-digit lead over Sanders for Democratic nomination (Keep in mind it's a poll)

(CNN)Former Vice President Joe Biden has a double-digit lead over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders for the Democratic presidential nomination, a new CNN poll of Democratic voters nationwide conducted by SSRS shows.

Biden is now the choice of a majority of Democratic voters nationwide, according to the poll, which was taken in the days after the former vice president's stronger-than-expected showing across Super Tuesday contests and as the field of Democratic contenders with a realistic shot at winning the nomination narrowed to two.

and....

Cory Booker endorses Joe Biden

"Cory Booker endorses Joe Biden"

Uh-oh! Didn't Booker's Lady Love, Rosario, get arrested for Bernout Sanders around the 2016 election? Will THIS be what cause these two soulmates to be torn asunder? 🤔

[quote]Biden is now the choice of a majority of Democratic voters nationwide, according to the poll, which was taken in the days after the former vice president's stronger-than-expected showing across Super Tuesday contests and as the field of Democratic contenders with a realistic shot at winning the nomination narrowed to two.

Bernie, you in danger, girl.

[quote]Will THIS be what cause these two soulmates to be torn asunder?

Honey, you're late. Cory dropped his quest for the presidency and the next day Rosario dropped him. She then has gone on to tell us her love for the womens and their body parts.

According to multiple polls out yesterday and today, Biden holds double digit leads in several of the states which vote tomorrow.

Shall this remain the OFFICIAL thread for tomorrow's voting too? I mean it will be Tuesday and there is still a lot of opportunity to post here on this thread.

As kon as we don't have a separate Greek chorus moaning about the title like on the coronavirus thread. Title complaints are their one joy in tis new life it seems.

[quote]Honey, you're late. Cory dropped his quest for the presidency and the next day Rosario dropped him. She then has gone on to tell us her love for the womens and their body parts.

Why, if I didn't know any better I'd be led to believe that Rosario was BEARDING!!!!!

R236, are they delegate rich states?

R240:

Mar 10 - Michigan ( 125), Washington ( 89), Missouri ( 68), Mississippi ( 36), Idaho (20), N. Dakota ( 14)

Mar 17 - Arizona ( 67), Florida ( 219), Illinois ( 155), Ohio ( 136)

I mean the polls that have Biden ahead. Is he ahead in delegate rich states?

Biden and Booker campaigning together today in Michigan... dry run?

Prediction: Bernie is below viability in in FL, and Biden gets all the delegates.

Is Washington a caucus this time or did they switch over? Bernie won the caucus in 2016, but there was a non-binding primary at the same time that I think Hillary won.

The problem for Burnie is that the states he's leading in, Joe isn't far enough behind for Burnie to walk away with the majority of delegates.

The states that Biden is ahead in he is WAY ahead over Burn Out and will take the majority of delegates in those states.

On Super Tuesday, the pundits said that if Biden won TX and kept CA close, he'd basically have an insurmountable lead. He did that.

Let me add to that given the COVID situation, I certainly HOPE Washington isn't a caucus, no matter how the vote goes.

Washington is a primary now. Latest polling shows basically a dead heat with Biden having a one to two point lead.

Is Idaho the only caucus on Tuesday?

Wow, r247, that's huge. Washington was supposed to be all Bernie.

This poll gives Biden a 24 point lead in Michigan, a must win state for Sanders. That much of a lead doesn't really seem likely, but who knows.

Joe Biden holds 24-point lead vs. Bernie Sanders in Michigan primary, Free Press poll says

Keep in mind that polls in Michigan has HRC with a huge lead of Sanders in 2016 and she ended up losing there.

There have been two polls which show Biden with over 20 point leads in Michigan.

But, the question is (well, for me anyway...) if Bernie doesn't do well tomorrow will he close down his campaign come Wednesday or Thursday?

And the answer is, of course, "NO"

No. Even if Biden gets a majority of delegates (which it seems abundantly clear he will) Bernie will keep going and then demand a brokered convention.

He'll forget about his statements about the plurality winner being the nominee, just as he forgot about releasing his health records.

R255 he'll claim the people have spoken and want him to stay in and he just has to do what the people say!

Despite the fact that all the votes say the people want him to take his ass back to VT and go away.

Latest Michigan poll. Biden up +30.

I'm already calling it that Washington has a low turnout.

It appears Biden is leading polls in Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri and Washington. If he sweeps those, Sanders is just about done. Hard to hang your hat on caucuses in scarely-populated North Dakota and Idaho.

Jesse jackson endorsement is not a positive any longer.

Vice President Joe Biden is predicted to be the winner in Michigan. The exclusive ABC12 EPIC-MRA poll shows he has 51% of the vote to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' 27%. The poll has a 4.9% margin of error

Poll: Michigan Democrats more concerned with beating President Trump than policies

MID-MICHIGAN (WJRT) (3/9/2020) - Both Democrat front runners are hoping Michigan will help them secure a solid lead in the race to get the nomination.

All eyes are on the state ahead of Tuesday's primary vote.

ABC12 wanted to know how you're planning to vote, so we commissioned a poll to find out.

From March 4 to 6, after the Super Tuesday results came in, EPIC-MRA spoke with 400 Michigan voters about which box they'll check in Tuesday's primary.

The results show former Vice President Joe Biden is predicted to be the winner in Michigan. The exclusive ABC12 EPIC-MRA poll shows he has 51% of the vote to Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders' 27%. The poll has a 4.9% margin of error.

Even if all 13% of undecided voters swing to Sanders, he's still polling behind Biden.

One interesting thing the poll shows is voters aren't concerned about the issues, they just want a candidate that will beat President Donald Trump.

ABC12's EPIC-MRA poll shows only 34% of the voters polled care if the Democratic candidate they vote for shares their views. But 57% of voters are checking the box next to the candidate they believe will beat the president in November.

Poll participant Khaled Khirfan said he's voting for Sanders because he believes where Sanders stands on the issues will be why he beats Trump.

"I think both parties have done a disservice to Bernie Sanders marketing him as you know, maybe too leftist or his ideas are too extreme and he can't really compete with Trump," Khirfan said. "But really, if you sit down and look at his policies and his, his information and how he presents it and how it all makes sense, he's very very competitive and he seems to be genuine in his, his attempt to to serve the people."

But, EPIC MRA pollster Bernie Porn said of the 400 Michigan voters polled, only 21% are in favor of Sanders’ Medicare for All plan.

"You have a lot of union members in Michigan who have fought to negotiate health care proposals or health care benefits. And to think that they would have to give up those benefits and have to go to Medicare for All, I think having a pause about that," Porn said.

He said that might explain why Biden has only a 12% unfavorable rating, compared to Sanders' 25%.

Porn expects when it comes down to November, Trump will continue to target Sanders as a socialist and that will turn Democratic voters away from him.

Khirfan said even if Biden does win the nomination, he'll check the box next to his name.

Looking forward to November, Porn is already predicting Michigan will go blue with a Democrat win.

Read the 538 story with all the "IF THE ELECTIONS WERE BEING HELD TODAY" disclaimers.

It seems that Sanders best hope is tomorrow because the rest of the primary calendar looks pretty bleak for him.

With 38 states and territories yet to vote, Biden leads in 33 of them.

[quote]But, EPIC MRA pollster Bernie Porn said of the 400 Michigan voters polled

"Bernie Porn" ???

Yeah, that sounds legit.

Well, R264, if you like your porn from 1972 mimeographed, there is Bernie porn out there...

We're going to rally all across the country for Bernie and Jane!

Hmm....

Polling in Michigan was an EPIC fail in 2016. IF the youth vote turns out like it did in 2016 then Bernie takes Michigan.

Bernie can take Michigan and it STILL won't do him any good.

The polling in Michigan shows Biden winning big there, but keep hoping Bernie bros.

[quote]IF the youth vote turns out like it did in 2016

Why would they start now?

If Bernie wins Michigan we will know the Russians are able to manipulate elections in that state. This would be the third time polling failed incomprehensibly in that state.

Exactly. Burnie is staying in because he knows Rusher has promised him to pull through for him!

Even if Bernie somehow barely pulls it out in Michigan (not likely), he will be pulverized in Florida the following week.

r270, i'm not a Bernie Bro. I'm pointing out a fact. In 2016 the polls had HRC leading Michigan much the same as they have Biden winning now. Bernie won the state by a slim margin. The failure of Michigan's pollsters in 2016 has been well documented.

r271, because that's what everyone thought in 2016 and in Michigan they ended up turning out.

[quote]IF the youth vote turns out like it did in 2016 then Bernie takes Michigan.

Sure, Jane.

Praying for a miracle tomorrow. Americans cant take another 4 years of Trump.

If by some bizarre chance you got your miracle... You're getting that 4 years.

2016 is NOT 2020. The voters gave Bone Spurs the benefit of the doubt. Hillary was hurt every week by false slams at her. Bernie will not repeat 2016. We know what Bone Spurs is like and no one wants more of that. The mystery is gone.

[quote]—Go Bernie!!

Going, going, gone.

If Biden wins Michigan, is it all over?

Chris Cillizza Analysis by Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large Updated 11:00 PM ET, Mon March 9, 2020

Washington (CNN)Eight days ago, the political world was preparing for one of two scenarios:

1) Bernie Sanders runs away with key Super Tuesday states like California and Texas -- and, in so doing, builds a delegate lead that begins to look insurmountable

2) Joe Biden shows some strength on Super Tuesday, staying within shouting distance of Sanders in the delegate count and setting up an extended delegate battle between the two men.

Instead, a third scenario developed: Biden racked up a series of unexpected wins in places likes Texas, Minnesota and Massachusetts and kept it relatively close in California -- producing a delegate lead for the former vice president heading into Super Tuesday II tomorrow.

All of which brings us to this: Does Sanders have to win Michigan on Tuesday to continue to make the case that he is a viable alternative to Biden?

The answer is probably.

Here's why: Sanders beat Hillary Clinton in the 2016 Michigan primary. The electorate -- 70%+ white and more than one-third white non-college-educated -- should favor Sanders' demonstrated base of support.

And it's more than just the raw numbers. The dominant story in the national news media since Super Tuesday is of an energized Biden -- buoyed by the support of many of his former rivals including, most recently, Sens. Kamala Harris (California) and Cory Booker (New Jersey).

If Sanders loses Michigan by a wide margin -- and several post-Super Tuesday polls suggest that is what will happen -- while also losing badly in places like Mississippi, which also votes on Tuesday, the Vermont senator could find himself in a deeply unenviable position: too far behind Biden in the delegate chase to make a reasonable case to all but his most loyal supporters that he has a chance to make a comeback.

The Point: Sanders' fundraising ability and the loyalty of his core supporters mean he can stay in the race as long as he wants. But hanging on is very different from having a chance to win.

Sanders did squeak out a win in Michigan in 2016, though it only netted him a couple of extra delegates. I'm expecting a big Biden win tomorrow.

[quote]the Vermont senator could find himself in a deeply unenviable position: too far behind Biden in the delegate chase to make a reasonable case to all but his most loyal supporters that he has a chance to make a comeback.

It didn't stop him from sticking around to stink up the party in 2016... won't stop him in 2020.

Isn't the difference this time, and I hate to say this, because Hillary was so polarizing? A lot of votes that Bernie got in 2016 were anti-Hillary votes? Biden just doesn't have that kind of baggage. And for the record, I was a strong Hillary supporter.

R284 You mean Hillary was made to look polarizing? They will attempt to do the same with Biden but he is teflon.

The difference was Bernard had Russher helping him in 2016 but now in 2020....

Oh, wait, nevermind.

Over on Reddit, Bernie's support has evaporated in r/politics. Were they really Russian bots and Putin realized his chances are over? Odd such a vocal, downright nasty group just gave up...

538's odds for the nom: Biden 99 in 100, Sanders <1 in 100. He's toast.

R287 Yes, going by voting alone, they were mostly Russian bots. So strange somebody who could get so many people at his rallies cannot get enough votes to win? Hmmmmm. I would love for them to actually vet every attendee. Were they paid?

Mike Bloomberg@MikeBloomberg·13h

This November, the stakes are too high. My presidential campaign is over, but I’m not about to sit on the sidelines. That’s why I’m supporting Collective Future in registering 500,000 Black American voters in 8 crucial states. This can be a game changer.

(He's committed $2MM thus far for this effort)

OH!

REPUBLICAN MAYOR DROPS DONALD TRUMP FOR JOE BIDEN IN KEY SWING STATE OF MICHIGAN

BY JEFFERY MARTIN ON 3/9/20 AT 9:21 PM EDT

With Tuesday's Democratic primaries hours away, former Vice President Joe Biden has found an unexpected supporter in Sterling Heights, Michigan Mayor Michael Taylor, a Republican.

"Since announcing my endorsement of Joe Biden I have received an outpouring of encouraging messages and believe even more strongly that Joe Biden is the candidate who can defeat Donald Trump in Macomb County and the State of Michigan," Taylor said in a statement to Newsweek on Monday.

While Taylor, a life-long Republican, voted for President Donald Trump in 2016, he said he would cast his ballot for Biden this year because Trump is "deranged."

"I think Joe Biden is the candidate who can unify all of the Democrats and he's the candidate who can appeal to moderates and Republicans like me who don't want to see four more years of President Trump," Taylor said, according to the Chicago Tribune on Monday.

Bravo, Bloomberg!

MOTOWN!

College kids looking for freebies. Last week in Phoenix Bernie drew a crowd of 7,500. Trump drew a crowd of15,000 to the same venue last month.

College kids looking for freebies. Last week in Phoenix Bernie drew a crowd of 7,500. Trump drew a crowd of15,000 to the same venue last month.

What feeble rationale will the sad Bermers trot out Wednesday when Bernie loses Michigan badly tomorrow?

[quote]IF the youth vote turns out like it did in 2016 then Bernie takes Michigan.

Yeah, but no. In Super Tuesdays fourteen states' elections, not only did the percentage of younger voters (ages 18-30) actually DECLINE almost everywhere from 2016, but Bernie actually won a SMALLER percentage of them compared to 2016, even in Vermont! Although the number of younger voters was up, the number of older voters was WAY UP, and they overwhelmingly did NOT show up to vote for Bernie Sanders!

What rationale does he have for staying in when he can't win other than being a major asshole?

[quote]What rationale does he have for staying in when he can't win other than being a major asshole?

The Establishment DNC is trying to keep him down but the people have spoken and they want change! They want Burnie!

The people who have spoken with their votes would seem to be saying they don’t want Bernie.

When your key demographic can’t be bothered to put down their phones and vote for you - and your presence in the race drives other candidate’s supporters to get out and vote for someone else - you lose.

[quote]When your key demographic can’t be bothered to put down their phones and vote for you

And, that's what is about, isn't it? Maybe the young people will do better tonight given all of the negative publicity. But, there is something very wrong with the internal Bernie operation if they can't figure out why "their main selling point" isn't coming out to actually vote. That's why I've come to the conclusion that there is more to this. It's just not adding up. Big crowds; Off the chart fundraising; But, no voting?

It is absurd for Bernie to make these ridiculous claims that only he can defeat tRump because he has enthusiasm on his side. Except, all that “enthusiasm” has not translated to a sufficient number of votes to win in the primaries. If he can’t beat Joe, he sure as hell won’t beat the Orange Baboon.

[quote] That’s why I’m supporting Collective Future in registering 500,000 Black American voters in 8 crucial states. This can be a game changer.

I applaud Bloomberg for this effort. I hope that they consider registering voters in South Carolina and Kentucky so we can be rid of Miz Lindz and #MoscowMitch.

I wish people would stop claiming young people are for Bernie because they want freebies. It’s a bunch of horseshit. They want relief from school loan debts, which are killing them, and Medicare for all, which as a country, we should move towards. Bernie’s ideas are actually good ones, and we need to address both school costs and medical costs if we care about the future. If only Bernie learned to work with others, he might see some of his ideas implemented.

And he is right on about the wealth inequality in this country. Everyone is afraid to say they’ll do something about it, but it will destroy us, just as it has in every country in history that also had the same socio-economic profile.

^ I do want to make a point about Bernie that wasn’t strong enough in my post at r301. His ego prevents him from doing some real good for this country. He’s so sure he’s the only one who can fix it, that he won’t accept what’s right in front of him—that he’s a losing candidate in November. It’s infuriating.

"They want relief from school loan debts, which are killing them, and Medicare for all, which as a country, we should move towards. "

In other words, "freebies."

[quote]He’s so sure he’s the only one who can fix it, that he won’t accept what’s right in front of him

Reminds ya of someone else, eh?

Bernie doesn’t want to move towards MFA. He wants to dictate it.

What makes even more ridiculous, he hasn’t done any of the work that would be necessary to implement it. He’s been in politics for decades and running for POTUS for four years and still has still more than a slogan and a vague idea of funding it through the stock markets, which doesn’t look like such a great ide after yesterday.

R303, you’re an asshole Trumpster. Both of those things would benefit mankind, but ok, they’re “freebies”.

I agree r305. Again, his ego is standing in the way of participating in true reform. He wants things his way, or it’s the highway.

^ and by the way, I wouldn’t benefit from either of those reforms, just in case you think I’m the one looking for a “freebie”.

So, R306, anyone who thinks that he has no practical solutions is automatically a Trumpster. Anyone can talk a good game, but, if you have no solutions, except tax the rich, then you're a fraud.

[quote]They want relief from school loan debts, which are killing them, and Medicare for all, which as a country, we should move towards. Bernie’s ideas are actually good ones, and we need to address both school costs and medical costs if we care about the future.

I agree, R301. But, here's what gets me... Elizabeth Warren wants the same things and had plans about how to pay for them, etc. She was slaughtered. Yet, Bernie is very vague about costs and how he will get things done and he is still standing? Something isn't right...

R309, that IS my answer. Tax the rich. Who else are you going to tax? The poor? And r303 IS a Trumpster.

Bernie is an aristocrat at a ball asking the czar if he can borrow money and a battalion for a revolution he read about in a book.

Even if the czar gave him the money and battalion, Bernie wouldn’t have a clue what to do with them once he got them.

“Only in America can a millionaire with three houses claim to be a Socialist” (-Michael Bloomberg) and have millions of fools waste their money donating to his campaign.

Maybe someday Socialism in the US will get a leader it deserves but crackpot Bernie has done as much damage as he been helpful in promoting it.

R310, Elizabeth was a hypocrite. She said she never would take corporate pac money and placed purity tests on other candidates to the point where they had to drop out of the race.

Then right before super Tuesday she uses 2× more pac money than everyone in the race.

She also spent too much time talking about intersectionality and gender theory. Nobody has time for that bull. Just talk about class issues, liz

Ya know, R313.... Here's my response to that; Why don't the Republicans ever have these issues? This Democratic belief that every candidate must walk on water is... Well...

I listened to "Morning Joe" this morning and DeBlasio, (a Bernie supporter), just ripped into Joe Biden with the purity test stuff. It just did not make any sense to me.

If Bernie doesn't get the nomination, how will you, who support him, behave? That's what I would like to know. If Biden doesn't get the nom, we will all support Bernie. Will you support Biden or whine/complain and obstain, or dick move and vote for Gabbard, who will announce 3rd party run soon?

I don't like either of them, and I accept that our first woman president will be whomever the nominee selects, so that is what I find interesting at this point. I want Kamala to kick all these assholes' asses as Atty General, but VP would be ok.

R314, Warren's purity tests drove some good candidates out of the race. It pissed me off that Maddoe covered for her last week, saying Warren's campaign accepted 14 million dollars without her knowledge!.

Yeah fucking right, Rachel.

*whichever woman the nominee selects as VP. The next POTUS won't likely finish his term, no matter who is elected.

[quote]But, there is something very wrong with the internal Bernie operation if they can't figure out why "their main selling point" isn't coming out to actually vote.

Bernie's large support doesn't translate to votes because Bots can't vote.

I'd rather have Jill Biden pulling the strings over Lady Jane, if we get into Reagan territory with the nominee.

I feel for Biden. He's wanted to be the President his whole life and now he has the chance, but he's too senile to know where he is or what he's doing or to enjoy it.

[quote]I feel for Biden. He's wanted to be the President his whole life and now he has the chance, but he's too senile to know where he is or what he's doing or to enjoy it.

Considering what we currently have? I'm willing to work with Joe Biden.

[quote]Bernie's large support doesn't translate to votes because Bots can't vote.

But where's all the money coming from? He's raking in a fortune.

I feel for Bernie.. he's been wanting to take over the country his entire life but now he's so gravely ill and will most likely have a heart attack and die before he even makes it half way there.

R322 you really have to ask?

Mysterious donations in 2016 are mysterious donations in 2020.

[quote]I feel for Bernie.. he's been wanting to take over the country his entire life but now he's so gravely ill and will most likely have a heart attack and die before he even makes it half way there.

Bernie has 570 delegates despite the media drilling it into peoples' heads that he's unelectable 25 times a day. But yeah he doesn't have any voters.

Near nothing progressive, even in slight ways, will get passed as long as Mitch McConnell is Senate Majority Leader. If Biden wins, #MoscowMitch will sit on federal judge nominations as much as he can get away with, including ones for the Supreme Court. Mitch is a matter at stalling;. but also railroads through judges supported by the Federalists Society (extensively pro-corporate).

Mitch, and this Elaine Chao, must get booted and investigations commence.

One positive for Biden though, he knows hidden dirt on McConnell that has never been in the news.

Tom Nichols:

Hey, I wonder why @DrJillStein is trying to make a hashtag about Biden's mental health start trending. Eight tweets in a row raising the issue in one day.

It's a mystery, really.

[quote]@DrJillStein

CUNT

master, not matter

@327

[quote]Near nothing progressive, even in slight ways, will get passed as long as Mitch McConnell is Senate Majority Leader

Ya know... maybe THAT's the Democrats problem? Everything must have a label on it. Why label universal healthcare a progressive idea rather than just a good idea?

I just voted for Bernie's ass

Stein, Trump, and Gabbard, are within Vlad's network. And Bernie is not so much divorced from this either, given his anti-sanction votes or no-show for voting on the matter.

R331 It doesn't matter how legislation is called. Mitch resists any legislation his donors and lobbyists are against, whether the NRA, big Pharma, deregulation activists, fossil fuel industry, etc.

CNN correspondent: Based on the people he's interviewed in Michigan, voting has been split 50/50 between Biden and Bernie.

Joe Biden as the nominee means democrats won’t be able to run against trumps corruption because Biden is just as corrupt. What a mess.

[quote]Joe Biden as the nominee means democrats won’t be able to run against trumps corruption because Biden is just as corrupt. What a mess.

That's not going to work Trumpster/BernieBro. Joe Biden has only recently come into some meaningful money with the writing of his book. It wasn't very long ago that Joe was about to sell his house in order to help his son's Beau and family with their medical bills. President Obama stopped him from doing that and arranged a private loan with him. Which leads me to ask; What kind of son is this Hunter Biden (who has made MILLIONS according to Republicans) to not throw a few Andrews and Benjamins towards his dad's and bro's way to help them out?

MMPH! I'M JUST LOVIN' THIS LOOK, YOU ALL!!!!

R338, just reminds me of Jonathan and Jennifer! Let's do this and get to WORK everybody!

[quote] because Biden is just as corrupt.

Beyond incredibly absurd. What corruption exactly? The nonsense that tRump tried to peddle about Hunter Biden? Ridiculous. So perhaps Joe Biden as VP ignored the appearance of a conflict of interest with regard to Hunter, Burisma, and Ukraine. Unfortunate, but hardly disqualifying. On the other hand, we have a catalog of tRump’s crimes and corruption that would rival the length of War and Peace.

There is absolutely no comparison. The two are galaxies apart.

If Trump tries to run ads about Hunter/Burisma the response should be ads about Ivanka /Chinese Patents and Jared/Saudi money.

There is, quite literally, nothing Trump can throw out there about Biden that can't be thrown back at Trump 10 fold. And in Trump's case everything said about him will be the truth.

[quote]If Trump tries to run ads about Hunter/Burisma the response should be ads about Ivanka /Chinese Patents and Jared/Saudi money.

And, we will all be thankful to Mr. (Mayor) Bloomberg!

Biden was so corrupt that in the rankings of the wealth of the 100 Senators, he was always at the bottom.

[quote]I just voted for Bernie's ass

And we should give a shit, because....?

More on the Biden crime family

Let’s not even get started on that prince Hunter

R345, where's the article about the dog? I heard he got some bitch pregnant...

Did you know the In the Trump crime family that Jared's family was trading off the Trump name to promote real estate investment visas in China?

Did you know that Jr. Left the mother of his children for an affair?

Faux News, R345? Oh, yes, VERY credible. 🙄

News flash: James Biden isn’t running to me President of the US. Neither is Hunter.

I just blocked r345 and it crashed my browser.

Omg I just checked and r345 is a TULSI GABBARD supporter. How’s it feel to be in the company of one delegate?

FOX News, which in the words of Roger Ailes, manufactured and spun stories to gin up support for a war that the Republicans created and misled other Americans into believing necessary?

That FOX News? Wow, impeccable sourcing. Next up, R345's granma gives us 'straight up facts' that Biden eats kittens for breakfast every morning and Jill isn't a REAL doctor.

Let's be fair, r350...Tulsi has TWO delegates.

Biden went up 10 points

Biden, accused of wanting to end 2nd Amendment, responds: "You're full of sh**"

Detroit — Joe Biden had a heated exchange with a construction worker who accused him of trying to take Americans' guns away during a campaign stop in Michigan, one of six states holding primaries on Tuesday.

The former vice president was touring an assembly plant under construction for Fiat Chrysler, shaking hands with and praising the electrical workers union members who are building the plant. As Biden was working the room, one man confronted him about his stance on gun ownership.

"You are actively trying to end our Second Amendment right and take away our guns," the worker told Biden

Biden replied: "You're full of sh**."

"I support the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment — just like right now, if you yelled 'fire,' that's not free speech," Biden continued. "And from the very beginning — I have a shotgun, I have a 20-gauge, a 12-gauge. My sons hunt. Guess what? You're not allowed to own any weapon. I'm not taking your gun away at all."

The man repeated his accusation that Biden was "trying to take our guns," and Biden pushed back. "I did not say that. I did not say that."

After the worker told him that he had made the remark in "a viral video," the former vice president replied that "it's a viral video like the other ones they're putting out that are simply a lie."

"This is not OK, alright?" the man said, to which Biden replied, "Don't tell me that, pal, or I'm going to go out and slap you in the face."

"You're working for me, man!" the worker said.

"I'm not working for you," Biden said. "Don't be such a horse's ass."

It was a remarkably candid exchange that comes just a few hours before Biden is scheduled to meet with the leaders of gun control organizations at a stop in Columbus, Ohio.

Before the argument, Biden was greeted by hundreds of hooting-and-hollering IBEW members excited to meet the Democratic frontrunner.

"You're the best damn workers in the world," Biden said. "I promise you if I become your president you will never have a better friend in the White House. I'm union from, as my — I won't say what my grandfather used to say — but from belt buckle to shoe sole, man."

Good for him for standing up for himself and unions

Viral video = doctored to shit

And I bet he saw it on Facebook.

I love that Biden is pushing back against the lies.

R345 is a fucking right-wing loon.

Maybe R345 sent it to him on Facebook Messenger, R355. It sounds like something R345 would automatically believe and do.

This is why Joe is going to need us--especially, Mike Bloomberg

Trump and GOP mount coordinated campaign to paint Biden as senile--The president settles on a schoolyard strategy to take out his likely general election opponent.

By ALEX ISENSTADT

03/10/2020 04:30 AM EDT

President Donald Trump stood before about 500 of the Republican Party’s biggest patrons at his Mar-a-Lago resort on Friday and raised a topic few in the audience expected: Joe Biden’s mental capacity.

Trump walked the donors through a list of Biden’s recent verbal stumbles, such as his recent declaration that he was running for Senate and his assertion that 150 million Americans had been killed by gun violence since 2007. Trump questioned whether the former vice president had the mental stamina to sustain the rigors of a general election campaign.

Then, the president appeared to give donors permission to leak his remarks about Biden to the media.

“I would hope you not repeat that,” Trump said sarcastically according to an attendee.

With Biden emerging as the likely Democratic nominee, Trump has launched a concerted, near-daily campaign to raise doubts about the 77-year-old’s mental acuity. The president has been bolstered by a conservative echo chamber flooding social media with video clips highlighting Biden’s gaffes.

The effort provides a window into how Trump — who’s been dogged by questions about his own mental fitness — regularly picks apart his political opponents. He has an unmatched ability to zero in on his foe’s biggest vulnerability or insecurity, and through sheer repetition bake it into the public consciousness. Unfortunately for Biden, his performance on the campaign trail has given Trump plenty to work with.

It’s similar to the tack Trump used in 2016 against Hillary Clinton, whom he tagged as “low energy.” He also suggested she “doesn’t have the stamina” to be president.

Former Clinton advisers see a replay of that campaign, and warn that Biden needs to take the attacks seriously.

“He’s not responding to the threat strong enough, because it is absolutely a problem now and [is] going to be a problem” going forward, said Philippe Reines, a former top Hillary Clinton adviser who prepped her for the debates with Trump. “You have to defend yourself, because that stuff absolutely sticks.”

Trump has long branded Biden as “Sleepy Joe.” But in the week following Biden’s win in the South Carolina Democratic primary, Trump has taken it a step further by questioning the former vice president’s mental faculties. The president took to Twitter to say that Biden “doesn’t know where he is, or what he’s doing,” and said Biden would destroy entitlement programs "and he won’t even know he’s doing it!"

The president went at Biden again during a rally in Charlotte, N.C. last week, saying that once elected, Biden would be put “into a home and other people are going to be running the country.”

Then, during a Fox News town hall Thursday evening, Trump pointed to a string of recent Biden gaffes, including the former vice president’s remark that Super Tuesday was taking place on “Super Thursday.”

“There's something going on there,” Trump said.

Trump is getting backup from his sprawling political apparatus. The Republican National Committee last week circulated a clip showing Biden appearing to confuse his wife and his sister, distributed social media posts making fun of the former vice president for his Super Thursday remark, and cut a video depicting Biden botching a line from the Declaration of Independence.

Some of the president’s conservative allies are taking the attack even further. During a Saturday appearance on Fox News, Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani said Biden is showing “obvious signs of dementia.” Fox News host Sean Hannity, meanwhile, devoted an entire segment of his show to documenting how Biden has “a very questionable grip on reality.”

Tucker Carlson, another Trump-friendly Fox News host, said Biden is "clearly losing it."

Trump allies say the president’s attacks are damaging because he homes in on vulnerabilities in a way that sticks with voters.

“The president is expert at indelibly tagging his opponents with nicknames that resonate in flyover country. He is similarly adept at identifying and highlighting his opponents’ shortcomings in unavoidable and ubiquitous commentary,” said Michael Caputo, a Trump 2016 campaign aide.

With Trump’s “constant reminders,” Caputo added, “voters won’t be able to look away from Biden’s guaranteed gaffes, and this will amplify existing concerns to weigh down the former vice president.”

Trump campaign officials said the president is merely highlighting the mistakes Biden is making.

“Joe Biden was a terrible candidate the first two times he ran for president,” said Tim Murtaugh, a spokesman for the Trump reelection effort. “I don’t know why anyone expected he would be better the third time around.”

Biden has laughed off the attacks. During a recent appearance on Fox News Sunday, the former vice president was asked to respond to a clip of Trump saying that he would “be sitting in a home someplace” if elected.

“Is that the stable genius saying that?” Biden shot back.

Those close to the Democratic frontrunner dismiss the attacks, saying that voters see Biden’s verbal hiccups as part of his charm. The assault, they argue, reflects the profound degree to which Trump is threatened by the former vice president. Trump was impeached by the Democratic-led House last year over allegations that he pressured the Ukrainian government into investigating Biden and his family.

“With the Democratic Party galvanized by the best candidate to win crucial battleground states, it’s not surprising that Trump’s reelection campaign is resorting to more disinformation about the vice president — after all, Trump himself is so panicked about Joe Biden that he got himself impeached by trying to force a foreign country to lie about him,” said Andrew Bates, a Biden campaign spokesman.

The attacks on Biden bear a striking resemblance to the ones Trump launched against Clinton four years ago. In 2016, Trump was similarly echoed by an array of conservative allies. The pro-Trump Breitbart News published a series of articles about Clinton’s health, including one that linked to a story on a conservative website alleging the former secretary of State was engaging in “bizarre behavior” and questioned whether she had a seizure.

Infowars, another pro-Trump site that peddles in conspiracy theories, piled on with a piece exploring whether Clinton had Parkinson’s disease.

The onslaught only intensified after Clinton suffered a bout of pneumonia while attending a Sept. 11 memorial event.

Clinton allies said the attacks took a toll. Reines urged Biden to respond forcefully by raising questions about Trump’s mental fitness and about why the president hasn’t been more forthcoming about his health.

“It’s an absolute layup,” Reines said. “And the vice president, bless his soul, doesn’t seem to take to … what he probably thinks is mean or adversarial. But, ‘This is the business we’ve chosen,’ as The Godfather said.”

Other Democrats, however, aren’t so sure Trump’s offensive will work.

Jennifer Palmieri, who served as communications director on Clinton's campaign, pointed out that Trump has been savaging Biden for months with questionable results. Democratic and independent voters, she said, were tuning out the attacks.

“The Trump campaign has been hitting Biden and his family for over a year and the attacks don’t seem to weaken him with voters,” Palmieri said. “He just gets stronger.”

It's funny to me how the Rethug and Bernie Bro talking points are always the same.... and yet Burn Outs don't seem to notice or care.

Democratic primary voters continue to say nominating a candidate who can beat Donald Trump was a more important factor in their votes than supporting someone who agrees with them on major issues, according to the NBC News Exit Poll.

Across Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri and Washington, 61 percent said they prioritized beating Trump and 36 percent said they prioritized issues, the NBC News Exit Poll found. This is nearly identical to exit poll results from prior contests, which showed 63 percent prioritized defeating Trump while 34 percent preferred issue alignment.

March 10 primaries live updates: Preliminary exit poll analysis shows Biden trusted over Sanders in crisis

[quote]This is nearly identical to exit poll results from prior contests, which showed 63 percent prioritized defeating Trump while 34 percent preferred issue alignment.

Poor Trump. His feelings are going to be hurt.... GOOD! LET'S ALL ROOT FOR A BIDEN BLOWOUT!!! It's time to end this and move to the next step of taking the White House, Senate, and keeping the House!

CHARGE!!!!!

Interest in return to the policies of the Obama administration varies widely in tonight’s states. In Mississippi, in preliminary results, 61 percent say they’d like to see the next president return to the policies of the Obama administration – the most in any state so far this year for which we have exit poll results. In Washington, this falls to 41 percent, with 44 percent instead saying they’d like to see more liberal policies, according to preliminary exit poll results.

The results also find general dissatisfaction with the country’s economic system. Only 4 to 10 percent say it works well enough as is; among the rest, 45 percent or more in Missouri, Washington and among in-person voters in Michigan say the system needs “a complete overhaul,” with the rest calling for minor changes. (The question wasn’t asked in Mississippi.)

In terms of race and ethnicity, in contests to date, white voters have split by a close 30-28% between Biden and Sanders, and Hispanics have gone 44-25% for Sanders. (Hispanics are disproportionately young, and Sanders does best with young voters.) Blacks, by contrast, have voted overwhelmingly for Biden, 56-17% according to preliminary exit poll results.

Blacks have accounted for 15% of Democratic voters in previous contests this year. In preliminary exit poll results tonight, their numbers range from 64% in Mississippi to 18 percent in Michigan (excluding the estimated 40% overall in Michigan who voted early or absentee), 17% in Missouri and 4 percent in Washington. (The share of blacks in Mississippi, preliminarily, is down from 71% in 2016.) Hispanics are less prevalent.

Another, potentially, is gender: Women have accounted for 57% of voters in previous primaries and caucuses for which we have exit or entrance polls and have supported Biden over Sanders by 35-26%. Men have supported Sanders, more narrowly, 34-30 percent. In preliminary results so far, women account for 52 to 58% of the turnout today.

When should the first results start coming in?

Joe Biden is seeming to be pretty immune to the attacks that are being brought against him. I'm hoping he a little more teflon than Hillz, she was more like velcro. But that's because people wanted to believe the bad shit about her and the Clintons in general.

R370, shit doesn't even stick to Bill. It's just Hillary. Probably because she's a woman.

Pundits are saying that even if Burnie takes MI and WA tonight, it won't be in a margin large enough for him to grab enough delegates to catch up to Biden at the end of the night.

I'm greedy. I want Biden to take them all! It'll REALLY scare the shit out of the Republicans and hopefully shut Bernie down. We'll have parting gifts at the door.

Washington, Idaho and North Dakota might be trouble spots for Burnie. He won them in 2016, but that was when they were Caucuses. This year they're primaries.

This is per Steve Kornacki (who I saw again in the steam two days ago!).

From your lips, R373.

MI is going to be a tough state because they laxed their early voting rules so anyone can early vote PLUS they allow you to change your vote up until today.

Early votes can't be counted until today so final numbers might not be in until tomorrow.

Nicole Wallace just shaded Burn Out by saying the way he tries to blame the media for coverage over his own mistakes (bringing up Castro four days before Super Tuesday) was essentially the same behavior Drumpf has.

The week between Nevada and South Carolina for Bernie is one of the biggest fumbles in politics. He was on top of the world, he could have pivoted to a unity message but instead he spent the week defending Castro. He didn’t even ASK Clyburn for an endorsement. I like Bernie’s ideas but he clearly is stubborn and expects 100% loyalty from people around him. I think he’s always had a 30% ceiling but he didn’t even attempt to expand it.

They have announced that the next debate will not have an audience due to COVID-19. Honestly, I would have preferred no audience at the majority of the debates.

The black vote is apparently up in MS.

MSNBC has Joe at 65% and Burnout at 16% IN ms.

Theyre talking about how Burnie's numbers were the same in MS and he's had 4 years to improve on those numbers and didn't.

I think there might actually be a substantial debate for a change, since no one (Bernie) will be playing for the audience.

Here's Claire McCaskill spilling the tea.

Claire on MSNBC is saying that she thinks Biden is going to beat Burnie by double digits, up to 20% in MS.

And Nicole is nailing Burnie once again for the stupid shit he says.

Why does MSNBC employ people who lost their elections to lecture us all on what it takes to win elections?

First results are expected within an hour.

[quote]Why does MSNBC employ people who lost their elections to lecture us all on what it takes to win elections?

Claire won two elections she wasn't supposed to. She can say whatever she wants.

They just said that Biden could win MS in a landslide and lose the other states tonight, and as long as the other states are close, he'll net more delegates than Burnout.

R387 she lost in the biggest blue wave in modern history. Her re-election campaign was embarrassing and a masterclass in how to piss off your base. She should NOT be brought out as an election expert.

Ali Vitali on MSNBC looks like a crazy eyed loon. No wonder she skews Burnie.

If Burnie can't have rallies because of Corona, he's screwed, per MSNBC.

MSNBC saying that Burnie hopping on a plane back home to VT is a stupid move and he should have stayed in MI.

Nicole keeps comparing Burnie to Drumpf and I'm living for it.

[quote]I like Bernie’s ideas but he clearly is stubborn and expects 100% loyalty from people around him. I think he’s always had a 30% ceiling but he didn’t even attempt to expand it.

That sounds exactly like Trump.

[quote]MSNBC saying that Burnie hopping on a plane back home to VT is a stupid move and he should have stayed in MI.

I think he’s dying.

[quote]Nicole keeps comparing Burnie to Drumpf and I'm living for it.

Well, they're more alike than you'd like to think.

[quote]MSNBC saying that Burnie hopping on a plane back home to VT is a stupid move and he should have stayed in MI.

He's getting readouts of the results.

Trust, R396, I already know they're exactly the same. I'm just glad someone is calling it out.

If Biden were the one going home Burn Outs would be out in full force spinning it so what's good for the goose...

"Burnie returns home because of heart failure."

Ten minutes away from polls closing in 3 states.

R397 do you think you’re some original thinker for saying trump and Bernie are the same? People have been saying that since 2016. You’re just another establishment brainwashed shill. Have fun with 4 more years of trump. We will punish the DNC again.

Where's Poll Troll?

R400 proving Burn Outs have reading comprehension issues.

MSNBC talking about how poorly Burnie did in 2016 with certain demographics and he's had 4 years to improve on those numbers and hasn't. In some cases, it's gotten worse. Considering how badly he did in MS in 2016, in 2020, he didn't spend a single day in MS.

Ya know... this all appears to be working out in Biden's favor. Having no rallies not only hurts Bernie but Trump too. A debate without an audience and where they can sit down? Joe Biden is in heaven! He excels in this format! THIS will be a very substantive debate which can be used against Trump.

Unless Sanders does better than expected today, there isn't going to be another Democratic debate.

Polls about to close in MISSOURI, MISSISSIPPI & NORTH DAKOTA.

We need Poll Troll. I hope he hasn't suffered a relapse of his pneumonia.

Everything has aligned so far in this race to help Biden and everyone seems to be unifying behind him. It’s really divine intervention to get rid of Dump.

PollTroll makes it in under the wire!

YIPEE!!!! HE'S HERE!!!!! HIYA, POLL TROLL!!!!

As far as Michigan goes, I think we're going to see some numbers, but lots of caution that it's going to be a long night and full day tomorrow before anything is decided for sure.

Well, that was quick, Poll Troll!

Did CA numbers ever come through?

Burnie going home to VT?!?! Concession time?!? Today’s numbers will be grim for the Bros.

I don’t get why Joy Reid doesn’t attempt to hide the fact that she is bald. If you’re going to spend all the money and time getting a weave, why not get a style that covers more than half of your head?

Burnie's health crisis has come to a head hence the return to VT.

Pass it along.

CNN calls MISSISSIPPI for BIDEN

They're going to call MS right away, right? I mean, there's no way Joe doesn't overwhelm the thing.

MSNBC Projecting will win MS and get 21 delegates.

MSNBC saying that another moment of Divine Intervention for Biden, Corona Virus is pushing voters towards him and not Sanders.

Missouri and North Dakota still too close to call.

R415 funny you say that... I was just staring at her six head and thinking about how she doesn't cover that up.

[quote]Did CA numbers ever come through?

Yes, they've been slowly counted over the past week. Bernie has won CA, but his win in CA turned out to be 7 points over Biden instead of the expected double digits.

Fox News already called MIssouri for Biden, although MSNBC and CNN aren’t yet.

NYT has called MO for Joe.

WAPO has called Missouri for Joe

Good, R423, they said Biden only had to keep it within single digits and Burnie was screwed in CA.

Biden has been polling about 30 points ahead in Missouri, so it's expected he will win there.

He's been polling about 50 points ahead in Mississippi, so it wasn't surprising the networks called it right away.

MO showing that Burnie dropped 10 points from 2016 with Black Voters.

He had four years to improve on that and did NOTHING to help his cause.

MSNBC saying they question that Burnie will hit the 15% threshold in MS.

Definitely over for Bernie

If Biden gets 30 delegates out of MS will destroy anything that Burnie can pick up tonight.

I wonder if Bernie will surprise us and actually read the writing on the wall.

I mean, going back to VT seems kind of ominous.

MS too close to call but MSNBC saying that both will get delegates.

The map for Bernie gets tougher after tonight, so that's why he needs to put up a good showing in Michigan.

Correction, that's MO, R434.

Bernie picks up 15 delegates from Missouri and none so far from Mississippi.

Biden has picked 41 delegates so far and now leads Bernie by over 100.

Yes, MO!

The exit polls for MO & MS match up well with the recent polling for those 2 states so far.

[quote]I wonder if Bernie will surprise us and actually read the writing on the wall.

I think the corona virus has changed things, and he might drop out. He’s very old and frail, and probably doesn’t want to travel as the virus spreads. He has no chance of winning, so just drop out tonight.

Biden pulls ahead in MI

Sanders would best avoid a Florida shellacking next week.

Burnie is gravely ill and had to head home for treatment. He might not make it until next week.

Total Delegate count at the moment per MSNBC:

Biden: 693

Sanders: 590

Again with the tea-spilling from Claire: Biden does well with EXACTLY the demographics Democrats need to win.

Bern Bros need an uplift.

Biden wins Missouri according to MSNBC!

Brian Williams remains insufferable.

MSNBC calling Missouri for Joe.

Sanders needs an outright MI win, not a close, delegate splitting contest.

[quote]Sanders needs an outright MI win, not a close, delegate splitting contest.

He will not get a win.

Biden is also outperforming Hillary’s numbers from 2016.

Burnie isn't projected to get that big of a win out of MI.

Was this MO guy on MSNBC right now stung by a bunch of bees?

Someone is nervous...

Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump·

If you like automobiles, how can you vote for a Democrat who all want to get rid of cars, as quickly as possible, especially if they are powered by gasoline. Remember also, no more than one car per family. I, on the other hand, have new plants being built all over Michigan, Plus!

Best unemployment numbers in the history of our Country. Best employment number EVER, almost 160 million people working right now. Vote Republican, unless you want to see these numbers obliterated!

Biden is really benefiting from a bunch of random events.

Biden is leading the polls in Michigan by 7-15 points going into tonight, so the question is whether the Michigan polls are as accurate tonight as they have been in Missouri & Mississippi.

Hopefully the MI polls are accurate but MSNBC keeps pointing out how MI has been impossible to poll for 30 years.

Kellyanne is rooting for Sanders tonight.

The young people shall save our Bernie!

Biden back in philly now. Could tonight be the end of the primary?

If Biden is going to be speaking back home in Wilmington...and Bernie's back in Vermont...

I'm starting to wonder.

[quote]Hopefully the MI polls are accurate but MSNBC keeps pointing out how MI has been impossible to poll for 30 years.

Yes, that's one of the reasons why the Biden campaign doesn't want to predict victory in MI and then get a surprise.

They are keeping expectations low just in case.

Vlad has been trying to fix Michigan for Bernie.

Can we send Nicolle Wallace a fruit basket as an incentive to actually go all the way to the dark side and become a Democrat?

R462 Biden HQ is in PA not Delaware

R465 I thought she already declared herself a Democrat now?

[quote]Biden back in philly now. Could tonight be the end of the primary?

Biden cancelled a Florida event scheduled for Thursday. I think the Primary is over.

[quote][R462] Biden HQ is in PA not Delaware

The guy following him for MSNBC said he's going to be back in Delaware in a few days.

Why does MSNBC have different Missouri numbers than the NYT site?

[quote][R465] I thought she already declared herself a Democrat now?

Maybe she has. Maybe I'm mixing her up with Ana Navarro, who still calls herself an independent.

Biden doesn't need a rally in Florida to shellack Sanders. But he does need to work the Midwest.

Delaware is right across a bridge from Philadelphia.

Biden up now in MI over Burnie.

Damn. Hillary Clinton was truly hated. Deeply. We’re seeing almost 50% of sanders support in 2016 was anti-Hillary vote.

BIDEN BLUE!

Hard for them to know what to do with this damn virus skewering everything. I think rallies are over.

If Burnie pulls out of the primary early this time, it's only because Biden is a man.

CNN said Biden would broadcast from Wilmington, DE, attended by staff and news media. Rally in Philly was cancelled due to virus concerns.

If Bernie can’t do rallies then his entire campaign strategy is over. That’s what he does.

[quote]If Burnie pulls out of the primary early this time, it's only because Biden is a man.

Correct.

[quote]Damn. Hillary Clinton was truly hated. Deeply. We’re seeing almost 50% of sanders support in 2016 was anti-Hillary vote.

Yes. And Dump should be scared. Because 50% of his support was also anti-Hillary votes.

"Damn. Hillary Clinton was truly hated. Deeply. We’re seeing almost 50% of sanders support in 2016 was anti-Hillary vote."

Exactly, and I've been saying it since before the 2016. Literally the only person who could possibly lose to Dump.

Ooooh, I think they're going to call MI when the UP closes.

Biden is just performing too well in the areas where Bernie should be doing well.

Michigan numbers coming in fast.

Biden opening up a lead.

Yeah, with Russian influence of course. But let's always conveniently leave that out.

Burnie only leading Kalamazoo, a college town, by only a couple hundred votes. Not a good look.

[quote]If Bernie can’t do rallies then his entire campaign strategy is over. That’s what he does.

It’s also Trump’s strategy.

CNN gets around to calling MISSOURI for BIDEN.

Burnie wouldn’t really go tonight would he?

Harry Enten:

[quote]Biden's got a strength in rural areas across the north (MI included) that Clinton never had... A lot of Sanders' strength in 2016 continues to look like it was anti-Clinton.

Is CNN lagging behind MSNBC in calling states?

[quote]Damn. Hillary Clinton was truly hated. Deeply. We’re seeing almost 50% of sanders support in 2016 was anti-Hillary vote.

Her “unfavorable” numbers were actually worse than Trump’s. It shouldn’t have been such a shocking surprise to everyone when she lost to him.

Bernie's going to get crushed in Wayne County.

Claire going in on how Burnie's narrative was that he could bring in the young vote and that the young vote is DOWN in MI.

So he's basically done nothing.

Yikes this will be a hard night HRC if that distinction is being drawn.

Yikes this will be a hard night HRC if that distinction is being drawn.

Yes, R491. CNN tends to be more cautious in making early calls compared to other networks.

Kornacki says Biden should be “ecstatic” with the numbers so far from Michigan.

Wasserman has called MICHIGAN for BIDEN.

And Burnie is doing WORSE than Clinton did in some counties.

Washerman has already called MI for Biden, says he’s seen all he needs to see.

Wasserman has been pretty dead on. I think he even called some of the percentages.

MSNBC has Biden at 52% in MI and Burnie at 38%.

I don't think Bernie will stand down tomorrow, even though Biden is flattening him. I think he'll cling on.

Yup, Dave Wasserman is almost always right on his predictions. He's rarely wrong. I follow him a lot.

Of course he will, R504.

At what point though does it actually become insurmountable for Burnie?

If Biden can maintain this coalition then the deplorables are going to get crushed in November. Truly impressive. I think we all underestimated how much people just want trump gone no matter what. Definitely not the year for a revolution.

Is Bernie expected to win ND, Idaho, and particularly Washington?

Governor Whitmer, Amy, Pete, Beto all stumping for Joe in Michigan has really turned out the vote.

[quote]At what point though does it actually become insurmountable for Burnie?

If not tonight, then certainly after Florida.

R507 it already is. Joe Biden will be the nominee. Next weeks states are even better for Biden than tonight. The primary is over.

I don't think Bernie will stand down either. He will put it all into the debate in the hopes of grabbing delegates in the midwest on the 17th. He will need blowouts in IL and OH to fight off the delegate gains Biden will receive from FL.

Burnie was projected to win WA but that was before last week. I think Biden has narrowed the lead.

[quote]Is Bernie expected to win ND, Idaho, and particularly Washington?

No polling in either of the former. The latter is vote-by-mail, which is a bit of a confounder.

[quote]Yikes this will be a hard night HRC if that distinction is being drawn.

Biden’s performance is “double digits” ahead of Hillary’s in Michigan, according to MSNBC.

Bernie will be crushed in Florida.

Let's see how this plays;

Trump announces new campaign event after Democrats cancel rallies over public health concerns

CNN)President Donald Trump's reelection campaign announced Tuesday that he will hold an event with supporters in Milwaukee the same day Democrats Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former Vice President Joe Biden announced they were canceling events in Ohio out of concern for public health amid the coronavirus outbreak.

Trump has privately insisted that there be no changes to his schedule, despite warnings from health officials about large gatherings as the virus has spread throughout the United States. He said Tuesday that the public should "stay calm" because the coronavirus will "go away," though officials on the Sanders and Biden campaigns said they were acting on advice from public officials who were worried about convening big crowds during the outbreak.

Trump will launch the "Catholics for Trump" coalition on March 19 at the Wisconsin Center. It will be a "large campaign event," campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh told CNN when asked if it was fair to characterize the coalition rollout as a rally. Initially a person familiar said the campaign would announce a rally Tuesday, not a "campaign event."

As health experts have raised concerns about the spread of coronavirus for weeks, Trump and his Democratic rivals had continued to hold sizable events on the campaign trail. Members of Trump's own coronavirus task force have been reluctant to say whether politicians should move forward with these kind of events -- and risk putting themselves and their supporters at risk.

[quote]. Definitely not the year for a revolution.

In truth and fairness Sanders has tapped into much that needs doing in the country.

But not this year, his way.

[quote]At what point though does it actually become insurmountable for Burnie?

Last week.

Once again, not enough of Bernie's "youth" voters are coming out for him today.

And the older demographics are coming out in droves.

Thx r515

Michigan also changed it's mail in process since 2016. That has had to have had an impact.

True R519. The pod save America guys were talking about how they didn’t think 2008 Obama couldn’t win this year. People just want safety and normalcy.

Voter turnout for the young vote has gone DOWN since 2016.

So what does that say about Sanders?

[quote]Is Bernie expected to win ND, Idaho, and particularly Washington?

Bernie beat Hillary by large margins in Idaho & Washington in 2016, so he was expected to do well again in 2020, but that was before the Biden surge.

Also, WA was a caucus in 2016.

WA and ID are now primaries and not caucuses this year so that should take numbers down for Burnie.

The only person more humiliated tonight than Bernie is Hillary Clinton. Love it!

R521: "And the older demographics are coming out in droves. "

Bernie did better in 2016 because voters didn't like Clinton.

Biden's doing better in 2020 because voters don't like Bernie.

Voters who vote, that is.

993,000 Absentee ballots were requested this year than in 2016. Absentee voting was up over 100% this year.

[quote]I don't think Bernie will stand down either. He will put it all into the debate in the hopes of grabbing delegates in the midwest on the 17th

That debate should be cancelled. This is a one-person race now.

No one can be more humiliated than Sanders. This was supposed to be his coronation!

Joe has CRUSHED his ass completely in this entire primary process WITHOUT SPENDING A DIME in the majority of states.

He's left with nothing but to run home to VT to deal with his dire health concerns.

Bernie will stay in the race even after Biden gains the majority of delegates to win the nomination. Bernie will not stop before the convention. Bernie is extremely stubborn and resentful.

Michigan results so far tonight are matching up well with the polling from the past week.

MSNBC has Biden at 695 Delegates and Burnie at 590.

Actually the numbers for Hillary make me a bit sad. I thought her stAns here were / are obnoxious. Up there with bros. But I feel bad for her being show to be such a not great choice.

Nicole Wallace pointing out how humiliating it is for Burnie to be doing worse than he did 4 years ago.

[quote]Voter turnout for the young vote has gone DOWN since 2016. So what does that say about Sanders?

Sanders actually REPELS his own base. That’s impressive for a politician.

FOX already called Michigan for Biden.

Michigan too close to call per MSNBC.

Joe Biden WINS MICHIGAN!!!!!

sorry Bernie.

NBC calls michigan

MSBC calls MI for Joe.

CNN not ready to call Michigan yet.

Dave Wasserman called it some time ago, though.

I knew it was going to happen when they closed the UP.

Damn, that went from too close to call to Biden in record time.

I think the fat lady is getting ready to sing for Bernie.

NYT calls MI for Biden.

Bad night for Sanders...

So did Burnout know it was over and go home to prepare to concede?

I know that's too much to expect from someone like him, but still.... he went home to VT for a reason.

Berners are already "questioning," the vote in MI.

“White, no-college” voters went for Bernie in 2016, but Biden is doing far better this time. It was probably mostly anti-Hillary vote last time.

That is the same demographic that helped Trump, but it seems they are going for Biden now.

Yes, because White, non-college voters hating women is a surprise.

r549, I only wish. But he already knew he wasn't going to have a rally tonight, so maybe he just decided to go home and get some rest.

And Bernie concede....does Bernie EVER concede?

The Monmouth poll this week had Biden winning Michigan by 15 points.

It will be interesting to see how close to that margin Biden can get tonight.

They both went to their headquarters. Something is going on.

Yes, R553, but every pundit said it was strange for him to go home rather than going on to OH where he desperately needed to.

Why are people comparing HRC in 2016 with Biden tonight? Compare Biden today with Biden in 2016. HRC and Bernie beat Biden in 2016. Joe, for all his charms, is doing well because moderate voters - always the majority - want to get rid of both Trump and Bernie.

Doesn't Burnie only concede only when he makes sure to make demands?

R557 because people with Mommy issues and a hard on for Hillary always have to bring her up.

CNN is usually more cautious in calling projected winners..Florida 2000 has them nervous about quick calls.

Seriously r550? Fuck them.

And you're right, R557, people were not aware exactly how bad Drumpf was nor did they take him seriously as a candidate so OF COURSE that factors in to the turn out for Joe... as does him being a man... as well as them just hating her.

CNN calls Michigan for BIDEN

Wallace pointing out that Drumpf got IMPEACHED to prevent Biden from running against him.

Nicole also being the only level head to point out that it's not necessarily about hating Hillary but also looking at what Dotard has done in 4 years.

Now Rachel changing her tune after Nicole pointed out that the coalescence is more about beating Drumpf than it is HRC.

[quote]Why are people comparing HRC in 2016 with Biden tonight? Compare Biden today with Biden in 2016. HRC and Bernie beat Biden in 2016.

Ummm, Biden didn’t run in 2016.

LOVE Nicole HAMMERING in how Bernie is a moron for spending 4 days defending his Castro comments.

Maddow is embarrassing herself tonight with how obvious she’s being about wanting to eat Nicole wallaces pussy.

Claire saying that she wouldn't be surprised if Biden wins every state tonight including ID.

Biden didn't run in 2016. It was "Hillary's turn". Again.

Claire, who's been right about everything tonight, is expecting Biden to sweep the night.

[quote]Maddow is embarrassing herself tonight with how obvious she’s being about wanting to eat Nicole wallaces pussy.

Hey, I'm as gay as they come, and there are time *I* want to eat Nicolle's pussy.

And Pete is running ahead of Tulsi in Michigan. She can't even beat dropped out candidates.

r557, Biden didn't run in 2016.

Damn, it's only been 4 years.

Biden was considering running in 2016 but Hillary threatened his life so he chose not to run and cited his grief as the reason.

I've been willing to eat Nicole's pussy for years.

[quote]Maddow is embarrassing herself tonight

Just tonight?

Why is Joy's hair so crooked on her head?

MSNBC showing Biden with 733 Delegates to Burnie's 623.

The full court press should be put on Burnout. We are in the middle of a national health crisis and economic turmoil. Do we really need to put peoples health at risk for rallies and voting when he can’t win? Does he, a heart attack survivor In his late 70s, need to expose himself to the virus by going to rallies and shaking hands when he cannot win?

Last week Burnie was giving speeches at this point, will we hear from him at all tonight?

MSNBC is basically writing Bernie's eulogy. Yikes.

Why isn't Burnie a registered Democrat? Didn't he swear last time in 2016 that he would after the campaign was over?

Link to new thread to continue discussion:

[quote] Biden didn't run in 2016. It was "Hillary's turn". Again.

He's said multiple times he did not run because his family begged him not to run in 2016. But of course you are blaming her anyway.

When Biden ran in 2008 then! He's run for the Democratic nomination before but never won. The point being that he's doing well now not so much because he's considered such a great candidate (supposedly he was down and out just ten days ago) but because people want to stop not just Trump but Bernie too. 2016 and 2020 are not the same. Very few at this point in 2016 thought Trump would win and the real damage that Bernie could do hadn't been fully revealed. People are sick of his efforts to fragment the Democratic party and drag it into an aggressive, extreme direction. It's almost like 2016 was a more innocent, naive time...

[quote]And Pete is running ahead of Tulsi in Michigan. She can't even beat dropped out candidates.

Yes, Pete is getting votes along the Michigan-Indiana border -- eg. Berrien County.

MSNBCs current delegate count:

Biden 752 and Sanders 631.

Feel the bern Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

New thread:

Why are people throwing their votes away by voting for dropped out candidates?

Those could me mail in votes, R590.

Although he has rejected notions he could drop out of the race if Tuesday goes badly, Sanders says he is now battling the “Democratic establishment."

"In a general election, which candidate can generate the enthusiasm and the excitement and the voter turnout we need?” Sanders asked.

I think the voters have answered that question tonight.

Good point r591.

Bernie spent FOUR days in MI to rally the troops. And he couldn't do it.

But someone needs to ask the question on every thread...

What is Tulsi still doing in the race?

What's her end game?

She's a cunt r595.

And she wants to be this election's Jill Stein.

[quote]What is Tulsi still doing in the race?

Providing some comic relief.

[quote]And she wants to be this election's Jill Stein.

We have Jill Stein being this election's Jill Stein. She was just flapping her gums about Biden.

R596

Jill Stein resents that.

New thread.

Bernie is getting spanked tonight. The shame must be epic.

Where are all those young voters, Bern?