**OFFICIAL SUPER TUESDAY THREAD, PT II. **

Previous thread.

Wondering if there are any Texas results yet

I'm going with this one. Less nasty.

Socialism has been defeated!

Well, we still have California to go.

Interesting note about Vermont:

In 2016, Sanders swept all 16 of Vermont's delegates. Today, Biden will get 5.

Thanks for linking back, R1!

Lawrence O'Donnell seems to be happy Biden is getting more momentum

it might just be Joe. Did not want Joe originally. Wanted Elizabeth, but it might just be Joe. Might need to deal with that.

It's not over yet. There are quite a few states left to go before we have a nominee...I do hope Biden's momentum holds.

it really is quite something that Biden won Massachusetts against a sitting senator of that state AND a sitting senator of a neighboring state PLUS Biden spent no time or money there

[QUOTE] I'm going with this one. Less nasty.

What’s wrong with nasty?

R11 don't forget Bloomberg was BORN in MA!!!!

my dream is that everyone gets a grip and does not whine and squirm and pretend what happened did not happen. that is my dream.

^ OMG, is that MIles????

Bernie wins Texas AND California. Biden wins the little southern states that people for years have been saying don't matter

BERNIE: CA, CO, TX, UT, VT

BIDEN: AL, AR, MA, MN, NC, OK, TN, VA

Is that Bel Ami's Kevin Warhol at R12?

Damn, Gentlemen Joe is kicking ass across Super Tuesday!

Also, Jill and Joe's sister were ready to throw down on those two Dairy wackos. Those trashy bitches were lucky they didn't end up having to be squeegeed off of the stage.

Loved his speech! So much better than that whiny humpback's

Robert Gibbs said they should get both Bernie and Biden SS protection starting tomorrow after what happened tonight at Biden's rally. But as a former vice president, why doesn't Biden have SS protection already? Or do former vp's not get it for life like former presidents?

Bloomberg to “reassess campaign,” per CNN.

[quote] my dream is that everyone gets a grip and does not whine and squirm and pretend what happened did not happen.

And what happened exactly, Mary Lou?

CNN: Bloomberg assessing next steps... does not want to assist Sanders.

Warren recognizes no path forward.

Zeleny.

[quote]Bernie wins Texas AND California.

Texas hasn't been called yet.

(Although Dave Wasserman is projecting BIDEN will win TEXAS).

Texas is so close but I think Sanders might unfortunately pull out a win

damn It's Joe. I got worries, but if it's Joe, it's Joe. we will all have to deal.

[All the morons here supporting Biden - are you millionaires? I doubt it. Joe Biden doesn't give a shit about you.]

LOL! Bernie is a multi millionaire! WTF are you babbling about, fucktard?

Biden now viable in UT, which was the only Sanders state where he wasn't

[quote]Bernie wins Texas AND California.

Neither TX nor CA has been called.

There was just a commercial for Fox News on MSNBC. WTF?

Close isn't a win for Bernie. Not based on expectations.

I am enjoying what tonight is doing to Trump’s riddled psyche.

[QUOTE] CNN: Bloomberg assessing next steps... does not want to assist Sanders

Then you shouldn’t have run in the first place, asshole!

Joe happened r21. It happened. we're done here.

[quote] Texas is so close but I think Sanders might unfortunately pull out a win

Even if Bernie wins, Biden will get almost as many delegates.

Will Warren ultimately endorse Bernie? I really don't see her endorsing Biden.

[quote]Texas is so close but I think Sanders might unfortunately pull out a win

Steve Kornacki made it sound a few minutes ago as if it doesn't even really matter at this point who wins Texas -- whoever wins will do so by a hair and they'll both get a good amount of delegates out of it.

Wasserman:

One of the keys to Biden's win in TX is rural counties, where he's mostly rolled up good margins on relatively few votes.

2,260 votes separate Sanders and Biden in Texas

I kinda do r35, and maybe being Vice President.

[Quote] All the morons here supporting Biden - are you millionaires? I doubt it. Joe Biden doesn't give a shit about you.

LOL! Bernie is a multi millionaire! WTF are you babbling about, fucktard?

Itll be interesting if Warren endorses the person whose supporters call her a cunt.

Warren is toast. I can’t stand her.

Same day voting turned huge for Biden in most places esp TX. Harris County (Houston) is sitting at 0%. Same day seems to go big for Biden.

I am not in love with Biden but he has finally been showing life. He seems confident and relaxed.

Biden now down .1% in Texas and less than 2000 votes

If Warren endorses Sanders she's spineless.

Biden was never my first choice, but don't try to turn him into Trump. Definitely does care about people who are not billionaires. That is not the problem here.

Who called TX for Burnie?

A Bernie Bros, R47

[quote] Wanted Elizabeth, but it might just be Joe. Might need to deal with that.

You don't just elect a President, you elect his whole team. I get Pete, and even whatever Amy can contribute with a Biden Presidency. I bet Biden recognizes how sharp Liz is and would include her, too, if she doesn't use a flame-thrower on him in the debates.

wtf r46, put down the pipe. Biden grew up working class himself - remember all the "Scranton" references back in the day?

He may now be somewhat rich himself (as is Bernie, Warren and most of the rest) but he's never lost sight of his roots. You got proof of your assertions, there?

These Biden wins shatter much of the “conventional wisdom” of 2016 — apparently you don’t have to have huge rally crowds, don’t have to show up in a state and don’t even have to have a ground game in a state.

I think you are agreeing with me r50.

If I mis-read you r46 apologies, the board is moving fairly fast tonight.

I think a lot of us are coming around to Biden. I was definitely not on board a few months ago, I'm not sure I'm entirely on board now, but here we are. I think it is Biden, and I think we need to get on board with that.

Biden takes the lead in Texas 29 to 28.8

CNN: Texas now a tie.

no problem r53 we are all adjusting to new realities.

Texas a surprise tie between Warren and Tulsi.

Holy shit, R55! Yes, Joe!

CNN has been behind all night. Biden has the lead

[Quote]  I get Pete, and even whatever Amy can contribute

Amy brings WAY more to the table than Pete! C'mon now.

Example: Minnesota

CNN: Biden ahead in Texas

Biden has also pulled ahead in Maine by roughly 400 votes per WaPo

Biden now slightly ahead in Texas

450 votes separate them in TX.

Wasserman:

Total 2016 VA Dem primary votes cast: 782,895 2020 VA Dem primary votes cast (99.9% in): 1,321,958

I really hope the people who did all of Bloomberg's ads go to work for Joe. Those commercials are all spectacularly good.

Dave Wasserman's early prediction of a Biden win in TX is looking pretty good right now.

Yes, Joe! Yeeee-haw!

[quote] Amy brings WAY more to the table than Pete! C'mon now. Example: Minnesota

Minnesota ALWAYS goes Democratic. it even went for Mondale in 1984--the only state in the union to do so.

wish everyone was more progressive but they ain't. well, so be it. we need to get that asshole out of the White House.

Amy brings nothing but combs and staplers.

More like 2000 votes separate them

[quote] Amy brings WAY more to the table than Pete! C'mon now.

But I hate her so, and was trying to be (grudgingly) positive about her. Baby steps.

Sanders supporter Ilhan Omar slamming Liz without mentioning her by name:

Imagine if the progressives consolidated last night like the moderates consolidated, who would have won?

That’s what we should be analyzing. I feel confident a united progressive movement would have allowed for us to #BuildTogether and win MN and other states we narrowly lost.

I wanted Biden months ago. I wrote him off because it didn't look like he could rally. I'm so happy to see him doing so well tonight. He'll win over swing voters and help in downticket races.

[quote]Amy brings nothing but combs and staplers.

And hot dish.

Biden increases lead by .3

Minnesota hasn't gone to a Republican presidential candidate since Nixon in 1972.

@PollTroll I'm so glad you're back and feeling better. Take care of yourself. You're one of DataLounges's National Treasures :).

I couldn't post in the other thread, but I was going to say since I live near Memphis that Biden was going to stomp it and Alabama. I know Sanders gets creamed outside of the East and West Coast, but this year I was floored by how many primary voters ( overwhelmingly over age 32) made up their minds to vote Biden and Bloomberg ( I was shocked shitless) in the last few hours. People are discounting Bloomberg. I get spammed with very impressive ads that he is targeting toward southern voters. He's also sending cute letters in the mail. I will never vote for Bloomberg, but I must give credit for his effort.

The interesting takeaway for me is that Sanders is not brining the youth vote. While he does win the youth group, he is not brining out new voters. He also seems to have alienated older ones too. I'm not sure how that happened, but based on the trend of over 35's making up more than half of the primary voter block I don't see how he can win. We all know if a brokered convention happens it's going to a mess which Biden is crowned winner.

I really don't understand how Sanders can stay in this race when he essentially handily loses the black vote. If Pete had to drop out for a similar reason then so should Sanders, but we all know he won't. Sigh... despite his talks of unity he's not showing it with his actions. I will still vote Warren if she's in the race come my primary, but I know it will be for naught. I'm in a sure Biden win state.

Oh well, does Sanders have any path forward now? Logic says no b/c he already won the largest state he was ever going to win, and he didn't handedly win it ( CA). What happens do Pete's , Amy's, and Warren's delegates during a brokered convention?

per 538, AP actually still has Sanders ahead in TX, but by only a few hundred votes.

oh come on, people are still arguing Amy or Pete? really???

R71: Don’t get hung up on words. By its very nature the Democratic Party is progressive. If it wasn’t progressive there would be no need for a democratic party.

Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, unions, civil rights movement, march against the Vietnam war, and marriage equality are all progressive.

How did Biden turn this around so quickly? Are these votes stemming from a belief in him and his candidacy or are they more tactical to keep Sanders from advancing to the main event against Trump where we would be more viable?

Yes, r70, but Minnesota was looking to be a horse race today between Bernie and Amy. Amy dropped out, endorsed Biden, and Biden walks away the state's winner.

Bloomberg will help Joe, who passionately and graciously said he'd work with any Democrat who wanted to work with him to restore dignity to America and take down Trump.

Humpback Sanders droned on about not accepting help from billionaires and the 1%, so if he's the nom, Bloomberg will probably not help him.

oops! I mean more *vulnerable (not viable)

Which is exactly the problem with the Bern Unit, R75. They don't play well with others. It's a movement, you see.

also, too, of course Poll Troll is a national treasure. Wish he would do some predictions now and then, but if that ain't his style, well, so be it.

weird, im following AP and they have Biden ahead by .3

This guy on MSNBC in speculating if Biden gets the nomination Bernie will do the right thing.

Why? He didn't in 2016.

R80, thanks for the good wishes. : )

R89, I've been more cautious about making predictions after 2016, but one thing I will say is that Dave Wasserman is almost always right. So if he says Biden will win TEXAS, you can probably count on him to be right.

[quote] How did Biden turn this around so quickly?

Nationwide hatred of the nasty behavior and sleazy tactics of the Berniebros.

it's biden. wish it were Warren, but it ain't. it's Biden. Wrap your head around the Biden, bitches.

sorry to hear that you were ill, PT. i was wondering where you were. glad you are back.

Not a Biden fan, but he’s turning out people in the suburbs and that’s what we need. I appreciate Bernie’s progressive ideas but it’s not the year for it. Tonight proves we all just want trump gone and Biden is seen as safe. It’s still gonna be tough but Biden is the best we’ve got.

Why in the world did these doodooheads assume Bernie would win Texas...how stupid are the pundits.? They still believe they know what happened, they do not know that old white voters wanted Joe. These idiots count old white voters, out.

[Quote] How did Biden turn this around so quickly?

I'm in OK, and the overwhelming number of early votes went to Joe. Those votes were cast before S. Carolina. Joe had the name recognition, the resume, and a quiet momentum; the media just didn't cover it.

I didn't vote for Joe personally, but he had a huge base of supporters, and we've seen that tonight. Pete and Amy dropping out and endorsing helped too.

fair enough poll troll. you are one of the people, actually the ONlY person on this site that I think everyone actually likes.

so that. but whatever, you are wonderful.

Biden at 30% vs 28.8

I think this is 1 time when the media did influence. We began seeing people freak out on news shows about Sanders. We also heard them report that Russia was trying to ensure Sanders wins the primary. I think those are 2 big factors. The South Carolina demolition then gave him momentum

I don't hate Sanders but he hasn't passed many bills in his many years in the Senate. He says a lot of things that simply won't happen at this time. Biden is too moderate for my tastes BUT I think he could be pushed to be more progressive should he win the nomination and presidency so I'll take him gladly

Is Warren pulling a Hillary and refusing to speak tonight?

Poll Troll and Treason OP are the only two people I enjoy on this site.

Liz already spoke in MI earlier tonight r102. No clue if she's going to speak again though.

I love PollTroll and FCI the most.

Laughing so hard at Warren. What a pathetic woman. She had the nerve to ask for more money tonight, after getting 3rd in her home state!!!

Oh R89 the wall of text @R80 xD was just my observations from the night since I couldn't post earlier. I didn't mean to make it seem like I was asking PollTroll to make a prediction.

I was going to comment the gap between Sanders and Biden across the South ( including VA and NC) was going to be MASSIVE. I still have friends in NC and VA and based on our convos Biden was going to steamroll through those states. I was on reddit earlier and tried to tell Bernie fans get ready for disappointment , and I got downvoted into oblivion. I'm a vote blue no matter who type so I have no problems with Sanders, but his supporters (online) can be so toxic sometimes even in the face of facts.

I prefer Pete and that’s who I voted for in Nevada. But if Biden can beat that motherfucker in the White House I am all in.

R102 Warren spoke earlier at an event in Michigan, and put a statement a little bit ago saying she’s going to fight on. Bernie has not been seen or heard tonight though.

I'm pretty sure it is safe to call 2020 reelection for Trump now. Thanks, Biden.

I think Bootsy-Gumdrop has the cutest name on this site.

Warren must be smoking Pooh Pooh weed.

Anyone thinking Sanders has a chance in hell at not giving Drumpf another 4 years is delusional.

Biden will win Texas 32 to 28 percent.

So, it's ok for Omar to stoke the Bro Hate against Warren, but she bitches about people hating on her, after some of her comments?

I cannot with that lady.

Warren chose the wrong group to cosy up to. Sad for her. I hope she chooses better for who she gifts her delegates to.

As long as Warren stays in she takes votes away from Burn Out. I'm here for it.

Even with all of the races being called so far tonight, Pete is still in third until the few delegates Bloomberg and Warren have picked up are sorted out.

[quote] Nationwide hatred of the nasty behavior and sleazy tactics of the Berniebros.

Exactly.

Every time I see a Bernie supporter on television, they're either yelling, screaming, talking over people, or telling others how wrong they are.

It's so fucking obnoxious.

Still, it's no surprise that Bernie Sanders would attract that type of person. He's the same way.

[Quote] Bernie has not been seen or heard tonight though.

Bernie spoke at a rally in Vermont a couple of hours ago.

Bernie spoke in VT r109 a few hours ago. He did his whole rail against everyone else/only I'm politically pure schtick. Jane looked frumpy. Pretty typical stump speech of his.

Credit to Mayor Pete (and eventually Amy) for stepping aside and helping unite the moderate lane. If they’d stayed in, we’d be looking at a very different picture tonight. The Democrats did what the Republicans were too stupid to do in 2016. Bravo.

R110, you're DELUSIONAL. The reason Biden's winning is precisely because everyone knows Trump would CRUSH Sanders in November, if not sooner.

Stop and ask yourself why Trump's been defending Bernie on twitter over the last 2-3 months, and then get back to us.

[quote] Warren must be smoking Pooh Pooh weed.

We Natives call it Peyote, stupid paleface.

So I guess our hopes are pinned on Biden now. It’s gonna be a long slog until election day. I wonder if he’s up to it. It’s fucking painful watching him try to speak and losing his train of thought mid-sentence.

Chief Sitting Bull Warren surely has to drop out tomorrow right? I mean what world is she living in

Thanks, R119 and R120. I missed it.

yup, i know r124, but here we are. we have GOT to make this thing work.

Biden ahead by .3 in Maine. Do they use carrier turtles in Maine?

R122 or why the russians want Bernie to win..

Biden/Michelle Obama Will beat Trump.

Lizzie is honing the blade on her axe for future political gain.

She's so upset she's sending mixed smoke signals.

Did Pete give Biden his campaign money?

[quote] Joe had the name recognition, the resume, and a quiet momentum; the media just didn't cover it

That's precisely why I don't pay attention to them. They clearly have an agenda.

I LOVE that Joe keeps calling them out on it. In his speeches he keeps repeating that the "pundits and the media" were counting him out, and saying his campaign was dead. He really fucking showed them!!!

I laughed when Chris Hayes tried to pull a "well I've been saying all along, not to count Biden out." BULLSHIT!!!! All of MSNBC and CNN counted him out.

Fortunately, the American voter is smarter than that.

We're catching on, not to listen to the media or Trump.

Whenever they say something, DO THE OPPOSITE. That usually means it will be the right choice.

R98 that was my sentiment about the media. It's like they have blinders and don't try to investigate shit. I encourage very Datalounger to go to the /r/politics section of reddit and view the Iowa caucus threads ( they had more than 12). The ones after part 6 were full of " Pete is a rat", " Pete is a corporate shrill, " "establishment Dems. rigging" and etc. Then when Sanders won Nevada which used a similar system , magically no rigging at all. It was insane. Then they promoted stories about Bernie in the lead , and how the popular vote winner should win the Dem. Nomination not the Delegate leader. I almost never post their now, but I wish the media would do a story on it and how a lot of shit you see online is not indicative of real life voters. I knew Biden was gonna stomp tonight b/c I talked to people over 34 who are more likey to vote than a college student xD! I sometimes want to say to the media ", the polls are full of sampling error."

PollTroll@R111 I almost made my name FanOfThePollTroll but opted not to since I didn't have your consent and others might flame me for it. Lol, to be clear, my background is in inferential statistics , so I view you the a lens of jazz student witnessing Ella Fitzgerald give a masterclass.

why are the lines so long to vote in LA? Democrats are supposed to encourage voting. I understand why the lines in Texas suck because of suppression. California has to do better

[quote]Bernie spoke in VT [R109] a few hours ago. He did his whole rail against everyone else/only I'm politically pure schtick. Jane looked frumpy. Pretty typical stump speech of his.

Reporter: nJane, who are you wearing?

Jane: My favorite - Holstein!

Just wait until the entire Cherokee Nation get out there and votes!

What makes ya say that, R556, First Thread, ya little PIGGIE? Just 'cause my middle name is "Squeaky?"

I don't understand the hate directed at Warren. Unless you're the CEO of Wells Fargo or Mike Bloomberg's mother, what is with the vitriol and cheesy and offensive Native American allusions? That's the kind of lame shit desperate Trumpsters resort to.

I am a moderate democrat, but I have nothing against what Bernie believes in or claims to want to do. I just think that he's the wrong driver of this particular movement. He alienates people. If these folks want to start a revolution they need to find a new frontperson with charisma who appeals to a broad range of democrats and one who actually is a democrat. That probably could have been Liz Warren, but she couldn't keep her ass off Twitter long enough.

[quote] Credit to Mayor Pete (and eventually Amy) for stepping aside and helping unite the moderate lane. If they’d stayed in, we’d be looking at a very different picture tonight.

Even more credit to whoever (Obama?) brokered that shit and secured Beto's endorsement as well.

Like Clinton, Biden did well in super red states that will never vote Democratic. Looks like 2016 all over again.

R109 he spoke and ofc covertly attacked Biden. I can't remember his exact phrasing, but it was one of those "establishment is against our revolution" type of sentiments.

Its Bernie Bros being pissy, R138. I can understand why you mistook them for Trumpers, though. Very similar and twice as fug.

Remember when Burnie ran in 2016 and couldn't get a single one of his colleagues to endorse him?

That's telling.

How many endorsements has he gotten this go around? That'll tell you even more.

I really hope that Joe will be able to start raising a TON of money, from this point forward. He's really going to need it.

DUMP is raising a shitload of cash, and he hasn't spent any of it yet.

Democratic donors are going to have to empty their pockets and give to Biden's campaign.

The other thing is that he is going to have to pick the right person as his running mate.

One wrong move, and he won't beat DUMP.

He needs to pick another moderate, and I hate to say this, but he has to make a safe choice.

A pick like Lieberman in 2000, can completely tank his campaign.

I would pick a young Midwesterner like Tim Ryan from Ohio, or someone along those lines.

It's critical that he does not fuck this up!

r137, it wasn't funny the first time...give it a rest.

Dave Wasserman:

Projection: Joe Biden will win the most delegates at stake today and exit Super Tuesday with the overall delegate lead.

It's such a fucking joke anytime the Rethugs try to make hay of the fact that the Russians are attempting to help Bernie's campaign. They know damn well the only reason they're doing so is to help Trump, not Bernie. He's just a tool to help their real candidate, not because they give a damn about him.

Well, bitches, I've got a long day trying to outrun the Coronavirus... interesting night, not what I expected really.

R145, Biden already represents the moderate wing of the party. He should pick someone much younger and at least a bit more to the left.

MSNBC's Robert Gibbs looks like Chasten will look in 20 years if he grows a beard

R148 and Burnie is more than happy to receive that help!

R141 like Massachusetts and Minnesota ??

🙋 Isn't being the Reigning Cherokee Princess of the United States enough for Liz?

well, I know this is not the most mature thing, but damn, look at that ass.

[quote]Like Clinton, Biden did well in super red states that will never vote Democratic. Looks like 2016 all over again.

Minnesota and Virginia are pretty much blue states now. if they like Biden and he wins the nomination, that should help keep them that way. North Carolina went Democratic for Obama so maybe it's still a possible swing state. The only state Bernie won tonight that matters is a general election us Colorado.

He'd lose moderates, r150. also the goal is to win swing states not more votes in California.

With all of these close numbers in Maine and a state as big as Texas, I'd like to remind all of you that

EVERY FUCKING VOTE FUCKING MATTERS!!

SO fucking VOTE and do your part to GOTV, goddamn it!

honey, nobody can predict anything because of what happened in that other year. It just never works like that.

Biden lead growing in Texas 30.6 vs 29

Eat shit Nina Turner

MSNBC has Biden at 34 and Burnie at 29 in TX.

He needs at least [italic] some[/italic] of the progressive vote, otherwise Hillary 2.0 happens, IMO. He needs to go YOUNG to counteract the age attacks which will probably be headed his way. Just my $0.02.

I'm so hopeful that Biden will take Texas so that it can't be said that he only won the "little" prizes but not one of the two big ones. Either way this has been a great night for him, no doubt, just saying that would be the icing on the cake.

[quote] I really hope that Joe will be able to start raising a TON of money, from this point forward. He's really going to need it.

Thanks for reminding me. Ill go donate now.

Just read that Biden didn't spend a dime in TX. And he's winning.

R166 he didn't spend a dime in MN, TX, OR MA.

Not a dime. No offices. Not a single ad.

Compare Sanders's and Biden's speeches tonight.

Did Warren win the district in Oklahoma where her tribe is from?

AP has Biden at 30.8 in texas with Biden 29.2

California voters have had at least two weeks to vote ahead of today. Jesus.

I think Bernie will be ahead after Super Tuesday...but CA will take a week or more to count

R168 watching CNN on that right now. If Van Jones is being critical of Bernie’s speech and strategy you know it’s a problem. Bern is on the defensive now.

R171, and I'm glad I didn't vote early, because it would have been for Pete and a wasted vote otherwise.

[quote] Just read that Biden didn't spend a dime in TX. And he's winning.

[quote] R166 he didn't spend a dime in MN, TX, OR MA. Not a dime. No offices. Not a single ad.

I'd like to say that it wasn't because Biden didn't WANT to spend money there. He didn't do it on purpose.

That's just how cash poor his campaign is. Biden couldn't afford to spend money in those places. In a way, it's pretty fucking sad.

But on a positive note, it also shows the level of support he has from the Democratic electorate. They didn't even have to hear from him in ads, because most people already feel comfortable with Joe Biden.

You can't buy the kind of exposure and name recognition that he had, from being Vice-President for eight years.

It also shows how much people do not want Bernie Sanders to be our nominee.

I'm just ecstatic about the Super Tuesday results!

MSNBC said that Joe could suffer a blowout in CA and still be ahead of Burnie tonight.

[Quote] I would pick a young Midwesterner like Tim Ryan from Ohio

Big fan of Tim Ryan here. He'd definitely help Joe bring out the zaddy lovers of America, an often overlooked, and frankly undervalued voting block.

Are the Bernie people claiming Biden stole delegates tonight?

Democrats are craving STRENGTH and UNITY. That’s why Biden is super surging. Democrats have been desperate for a unifying leader. That just happened in the last three days.

[quote]MSNBC said that Joe could suffer a blowout in CA and still be ahead of Burnie tonight.

Dave Wasserman is also predicting that Biden will win the delegate count.

R177 the Senatrice would definitely get behind that.

Biden's speech was hopeful and welcoming, but a clear warning to Trump that he and the united Democratic party were going to work to oust his ass from the White House. His appeal to the public to help them do so made me wish that it was already November and I could vote tomorrow for him and the Dem Party to do it asap

Bernie's was same old, same old. He looked terrible, BTW

I just love that the Bern Unit is losing Texas!

Will we know Texas's final results tonight?

R184, it's possible the networks will call Texas, although at only 66% of the vote in, it may take a while longer.

MSNBC's Garrett Haake is cute but looks a bit like Robert Reed.

What do they need to call TX?

Warren really tanked. I bet her pride won't let her go until Bloomberg is out first.

[quote] MSNBC said that Joe could suffer a blowout in CA and still be ahead of Burnie tonight.

Yes, and it's probably not going to be a blowout. He'll pick up some delegates in CA, too.

Of course Bernouts are going to claim that the vote was fixed and not reliable.

The only votes that are accurate are the ones where Daddy Bernie comes out ahead.

I hope so or Im staying up for nothing.

Biden will probably win Maine, too.

Pete has 10% in California...the folly of early voting.

I like that I'm already seeing people who adore Bernie say that they will vote for Joe if he's the candidate. They understand 4 years of Trump not worrying about getting reelected and what that would look like...no way.

It's also my personal hope that Bloomberg will give Joe large sums of money, since he won't be spending it on his own campaign. He said he would invest heavily in the frontrunner.

How will the media spin this to try to tear down Biden?

31.1/29.3 in favor of Biden in texas

Tim Ryan would be great but Joe should be able to pull Ohio on his own since he's from PA.

Joe needs a younger southerner on the ticket. Maybe someone from NC or even Tennessee (weird, I know).

I think that's why a lot of people mention Abrams (that and she has charisma in heaps). How about Gillum? He's been a mayor of a large city, he is well known in Florida and (more importantly) easy on the eyes.

[quote]I really hope that Joe will be able to start raising a TON of money

Bloomberg and Steyer have both said they’ll spend whatever it takes to defeat Trump, and I’m sure there are other billionaires who will do the same.

Brian Williams is still pretty hot. Damn.

Ohio is gone for the Democrats. Biden isn’t winning there. Too many young people are fleeing that hell hole. Biden’s path is the former blue wall.

What is the Bernie cult saying online?

Biden's very candidacy has risen from the dead due to the black vote. He must acknowledge that and choose a black running mate.

Biden said he'll nominate a black woman to the Supreme Court.

Gillum has a lot of corruption allegations against him. And Stacey Abrams is just a loser.

[quote] Will Warren ultimately endorse Bernie? I really don't see her endorsing Biden.

Bernie has been screaming at Liz for the last 72 hours to drop out and endorse him.

You just know Burnie is taking this all out on Jane tonight.

Who are Bernie bros hating on the most right now?

Jane may be taking it out on Bernie, r206.

Nah, R208, we've already seen how Burnie shoves her around on stage.

[quote] Ohio is gone for the Democrats. Biden isn’t winning there.

Absolutely not true. Obama won there in 2008.

Biden can win there, and Tim Ryan from Ohio, along with Biden from Pennsylvania, would do wonders in helping to win back both of those states in 2020.

[quote] It's also my personal hope that Bloomberg will give Joe large sums of money

Claire McCaskill made it abundantly clear, early on in the night, that Bloomberg CANNOT give Biden money.

That would be a clear violation of campaign spending laws.

However, he (and other billionaires) can create Super PACS to put out pro-Democratic messages.

r207 I just saw one compare this to The Empire Strikes Back in which Barack Obama is the Empire who made phone calls over the weekend and forced millions of us to vote for Joe Biden. Or something. It's Obama's fault, basically.

R201, the cultists on my FB feed are screaming that everything was rigged behind Sanders back.

They're raging at Pete and Amy for dropping out at the last minute and Beto is a "fraud".

The DNC hates Bernie and they rigged this because they're afraid of him. Oh, and Bernie is still going to win big on the 17th when other states vote.

And if he doesn't win, they will disrupt the convention. Again.

I say, if the lipless spitter couldn't motivate his base enough or make any converts in four years, he won't win anything.

It's not rigged, people either just don't buy the shit he's selling or they hate the salesman.

Hang on, RBG! Help is on the way!

What the name of the cute short guy at the board on cnn?

David Plouffe is handsome.

R214, that's Phil Mattingly.

[quote] These Biden wins shatter much of the “conventional wisdom” of 2016 — apparently you don’t have to have huge rally crowds, don’t have to show up in a state and don’t even have to have a ground game in a state.

This is not the general election. Candidate viability was the only criteria for Democrats. Uncle Joe and his surrogates are gonna have to hammer PA, OH, MI, FL and WI between now and November.

idk. I tend to think Biden can't excite people enough to beat Trump. But I could be wrong. I thought his campaign was dead after Iowa/NH and I was wrong about that.

Thanks, r216. I'm going to JO to him lol.

And in case it was not clear, his surrogate MUST have the surname Obama.

Where's the Voto Ladeeno lady who always on MSNBC saying Democrats like Biden aren't "speaking to the Ladeeno community"?

How is it that Texas is counting votes quicker than Maine. i want to go to bed.

R201 Their typical talking points with a few things added:

1) DNC and Establishment Dems rigging !

2) Pete and Amy dropped out and are working with the Establishment install Biden

3) Warren is hurting Bernie by staying in

4) Biden is Hillary 2.0 omg !!! try a moderate/centrist like 2016 this time will be different /s

5) Progressives need to unify like moderates did

6) omg ! people over 34 are fucked up (b/c older people voted Biden)

7) I refuse to vote for an establishment candidate

8) Corporate shills are manipulating the vote

I mean, point 2 and point 3 are demonstrably true, even if the rest of that is just opinion, r223.

Dave Wasserman calls MAINE for BIDEN:

I think people, Pundits included, aren't giving Bernie his due credit for getting voters to the polls in droves and increasing voting turn out like he said he could.

Of course their hitting the polls to vote AGAINST him, but still!

Bernie's whole thing since 2016 was about being able to inspire people and get into this election without using corporate dollars....

Well Joe did all of this tonight with NO dollars! So he's the one the young people should follow!

I can’t believe warren has the nerve to ask her supporters for more money. What a con artist.

Bernie and his supporters screaming about the Democratic "establishment."

If he (and they) hate the establishment so much, why did he run (again) as a Democrat?

Tim Ryan is a big fucking bore. Zero charisma. Biden needs Pete!

[quote] I tend to think Biden can't excite people enough to beat Trump

Joe definitely is not the most exciting speaker in the world. He doesn't excite crowds.

However, with Obama, Beto, Pete, Liz Warren, and maybe even Bernie Sanders going to bat for him - speaking to different demographics - that would definitely generate a ton of excitement.

One person I would love to see campaigning for Joe, is Hillary. She doesn't "hate" Joe, so it would be nice to see her on the trail again.

Joe Biden is one of the few people in politics, who is generally liked by everyone.

Oh R201 I forgot that somehow Pete is still a rat. Lol, they are acting like Pete's helping of Biden is PROOF that the "Dem Establisment" are working behind the scenes to manipulate voting results and ultimately rig the convention. It's honestly scary some of their conspiracy theories just don't make sense. They don't attack Amy as much, but they HATE Pete.

Nevermind that these rules were written in part by Bernie. They conveniently leave that out. God forbid you mention it then it's "fake news" or an establishment talking point. Try it on twitter or reddit if you don't believe me.

Hillary is poison. She should sit this one out.

Biden pulling ahead in Texas 31.9 / 29.4

They sound like the QAnon people.

Who is this chick on MSNBC with the stupid pom pom beanie reporting on Elizabeth Warren? The way she speaks about Elizabeth seems like she's a Burner just dying to call Warren a cunt on air.

The ticket!

I'd never heard of him before today, but the more of these results Dave Wasserman gets right, the more attractive he gets.

Hillary stumping for Biden would be a disaster. That woman needs to stay home this entire cycle.

Heading off to bed, but before I do, I'll drink a nice big glass of ice cold whole milk in honor of those two frau dairy cunts that stormed the stage during Joe's speech tonight. Hopefully they've gotten a hold of some horrificly tainted soy product and spend the next eight hours shitting their brains out on a jail cell crapper while awaiting bail.

Joe owes Pete a big thank you!

You still drink milk, R240? I can't remember the last time I even bought milk.

What parts of Texas are left?

[quote]What parts of Texas are left?

Just Austin

Voto Ladeeno lady is on now lol

R224 the reddit thread keeps moving and assorting by new/best if you scroll down too far. I would copy and paste the comment and its replies that echo it's the Establishment and Amy/Pete are loyal soldiers. The way they are phrasing points 2 and 3 at R223 is that they are all in cahoots making shady deals that lead to Hillary with this time it being Biden b/c "it's his turn" . They are not framing it as Dems helping Dems, but rather centrists with corporate donor interests being loyal shills. Point 3 is somehow Warren's fault ! she is being spiteful to Bernie ! No matter how objectively true a thing is, Bernie is somehow always the victim of hatred.

All Bernie has proven tonight is that he has a very low support ceiling. Aside from one or two states, he's never really gotten much above 30% of the vote this cycle. The reason for that? Who knows. Disgust with 2016, a combative style reminiscent of Trump, boosters that are as welcome as a slap in the face, a doubling down on the socialism stuff, and an absolute inflexibility. He's an ideological steamroller, and we already have one of those in the White House.

Or maybe it's just that nobody likes him. Maybe Hillary was right.

The cult leader is always the victim. Cheeto and Bernie say the same thing.

[quote]I'd never heard of him before today, but the more of these results Dave Wasserman gets right, the more attractive he gets.

I've followed Dave Wasserman for a while and have really come to trust his mathematical mind. He called Texas for Biden way before most other people tonight.

I can't believe Bernie is getting as many votes in Ca as he is. WTF is wrong with Ca? I live in Ca and voted for Liz.

how is turnout for Bernie vs. 2016?

I do not understand how anyone can support Biden. He has no policies other than I know Obama and he will be destroyed by that ape Trump in debates. But this party never seems to learn from its mistakes.

Wasserman predicts Biden will win Texas by 5%.

If Trump actually shows up to debate anyone, you can be sure he won't destroy them.

Remember people...

It was Biden who pushed Obama to legalize gay marriage.

Biden, Bernie, Lizzy, etc. None of these relics will beat Trump. Get ready for four more years.

A thought I just had is how Bernie had the largest group of supporters when there were multiple candidates, but once people dropped out, the race shifted incredibly quickly away from him.

Can you imagine if more Republicans had dropped out after the early states how different 2016 could have gone? Change a few small things and history would be completely different. It's amazing.

Slate, always woke, is pissed. Their god isn't leading tonight.

Twitter saying that Texas is a win for Biden.

wasserman may be on the nose with TX. biden is up 3% now.

NBC projects Biden the winner in Texas.

The Bros on Reddit a really kicking shit out of Elizabeth Warren. They have a massive hate on for her because she should drop out and give all her support to Bernie. She's not a real progressive anyway, didn't you know? Not to mention that she's a huge liar because of all of the Indian stuff.

She should probably just go die.

they really are remarkably similar to the hardcore Trumpies.

Austin ❤s Joe!

Holy shit Bernie was supposed to win Texas easily.

I was just about to post that, R261!!! Yay!!!

Biden's surrogates yesterday, really came through for him.

Amy in Minnesota and Beto in Texas. That's the power of surrogacy.

If he eventually gets the nomination, it will be amazing to see Obama and Biden on the campaign trail again.

Ahhhh... the glory days.

With texas called I'm going to bed. Nighters DL

I'm going to bed. Thx for an entertaining election thread, y'all.

Jinx R266. Buy me a bump of coke.

Maine has got to be the laziest state. One of the earliest to close their polls, such a small population, and they're still lagging behind everyone else in tallying votes.

What states are left?

Biden's going to taunt Trump till November.

BREAKING: Biden Wins Texas!!!

Next primaries are on 3/10.

Texas appears to be going to Biden, and the next batch of primaries look tougher for Sanders.

Voto Ladeeno lady is saying Biden needs to do more to reach out to Ladeeno voters.

3/10: ID, MI, MS, MO, ND, WA

This must be a proud moment for Joe.

He has run for President quite a few times, and never got anywhere close to the nomination, nor has he ever earned any delegate votes, before this year.

Good for him!

Pod Save bros are going to be pissed tomorrow.

Most of the Texas counties going for Bernie over Biden are the predominately Hispanic counties in South Texas along the border and the counties with big universities (Travis, Brazos, Lubbock, and Denton).

The polls say that both of them beat plump so.

Latinos really do like authoritarian candidates.

Band Bro Bashes Beto's Biden Boost

Biden is 77, and Bernie is 78. They're both a couple of old buzzards who should have retired 10+ years ago.

Do you really want another old man leading the country?

Yes, R283, yes we do.

Yes, if an old guy can beat Trump and serve one term with a good team behind him.

I don't care if they have to roll Biden or Sanders into the Whitehorse on a gurney, as long as whoever it is beats Trump.

Warren's still trying to convince herself that she's on the road to the White House.

She needs to pack up her tepee and go back home.

Americans are so glibly dismissive of the wisdom of older people.

People in a certain area of the world with higher IQs than Americans revere their elderly.

Warren now just seems a bit crazy.

Here's the cold hard truth, Democrats need a candidate who can win the White House AND flip the senate. If Democrats can't get the Senate, it doesn't matter who is in the Oval Office. For better or for worse, it appears that candidate is Biden. It's only Bernie's hardcore supporter who don't get this and fail to understand it's either get behind the nominee, whomever that is, and vote Trump out, or a a decline into fascism.

The Color of Change guy on MSNBC sounds like a moron/airhead.

[quote]I do not understand how anyone can support Biden. He has no policies other than I know Obama and he will be destroyed by that ape Trump in debates. But this party never seems to learn from its mistakes.

And I don't understand how people can support Burnout who has spent 30 years in politics accomplishing not a single thing. Or how his supporters continue to give him money so he can buy homes and fly private to stalk the Pope, but those cultists never seem to learn from their mistakes.

R288 I was gonna say basically that, thank you.

And if the “young-ins” are so much smarter, why do they never get off their asses and actually vote??

Whitehorse, r286 ?

Chief Whitehorse. Liz Warren's great uncle?

Twitter was very interesting tonight. At first the talk was, "Texas and California have all the delegates yet the media is talking like Biden is winning lol," and then a trending topic (after Texas was lost to them) was "BERNIE WINS CALIFORNIA" (literally in all-caps)...and now suddenly there's a ton of resignation. It's either something like "I'm going to puke when I vote for Biden" or "I'm not voting for Biden!" (But don't worry, anybody. This is a small, small slice of the electorate.)

Biden is the youngest man in the race!

[quote] Whitehorse, [R286] ?

We'll shit ... sorry, I'm old and about half-blind (seriously nasty eye surgery). I swear it was auto-correct's fault.

The Young 'Uns I'm my home town are amazingly very much into politics, very well informed, and know the candidates. They are extremely excited to reach their 18th birthday so they can vote. We have two colleges, and the students are very active around election time.

That gives me hope for the future

"Biden is the youngest man in the race!"

....and only had two brain surgeries for aneurysms. But thank God nothing serious. Lol.

R289, Warren is the most intelligent candidate, perhaps the most intelligent Senator. She's a Harvard professor for God's sake. But she's always been a little crazy what with the Induan lying and policy plans that don't add up, and saying she'll give baby trans veto power over cabinet members. She's an odd bird. But the woman has written several scholarly books.

I couldn’t wait to vote when I turned 18.

I agree with everything you wrote, R290. Except for the part where you used the objective "whomever" instead of the proper subjective "whoever".

Texas and California may both have the delegates, but California has the Corona.

Warren’s excitability is exhausting.

popular vote across all states today so far -

Biden: 3.8M Sanders: 2.9M Bloomberg: 1.5M Warren: 1.4M

A very interesting night. Thanks, everybody.

Good night.

HAHAHA YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

Biden gets Texas!

Is it odd that only 49% of Vermont voters wanted someone other than sanders

Stick a fork in cranky Uncle Bernie!

It seems Pete and Amy withdrawing helped Biden most.

You guys think that Bloomberg joined the race too late? I think he would be leading right now if he had been a candidate from the beginning and people had a better chance to get to know him. He missed so many debates and didn't use the chance to present himself and his plans to a broader audience and also lost momentum by not running in the first few primaries. He only took part in one debate and fucked that up, it wouldn't matter that much if he had learnt how to present himself during the early debates and people would forget one bad performance if he had several good ones to make up for it. He really fucked up his chances to win the nomination by joining soooo late. Very bad planning on his part and a tremendous waste of money.

It'll come down to Biden, Bernie and maybe Bloomberg. What a glaring lack of youth and diversity!

Bloomberg spent 700 million so far and won 4 delegates. LOL.

[quote]Pod Save bros are going to be pissed tomorrow.

The Bernettes on Mueller She Wrote will also be sighing heavily tomorrow, especially that mug-cradling Canadien.

Yeah R312, cause Trump and Pence are so young and racially diverse.

Somewhere AOC and Susan Sarandon are crying buckets. 😢

There plot to primary Nancy Pelosi FAILED!!!

R315 So fight poison with poison.... There's something really wrong with this country.

Their

so you all like to clown Symone Sanders on this site but look at her acting as security for the Bidens! She's in the striped jacket. You see her initially at the bottom of the stage. She grabs the leg of the first protester then she charges on stage to almost tackle the second protester. Symone is TOUGH. Love her She got to the second woman before the security guards. WTF but good on Symone

[quote]It'll come down to Biden, Bernie and maybe Bloomberg. What a glaring lack of youth and diversity!

The oldest President in history is the one currently in the White House.

Symone is fine but broke a nail lol

2/23/20.

The Guardian sucks sometimes.

Bernie is like the ConMan wizard in the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain. I cannot stand him and his finger pointing.

Bloomberg’s commercials didn’t help him as a candidate but their pro-Democrat, anti-Trump messages were still good for the party.

It's ovuh for Bernie

Bloomberg is going to drop out tomorrow and put his billions to work for Biden

Bernie has no shot now that Biden has awoken the Army of Karens and Chads in suburbia who all vote unlike the Bros who mostly tweet.

California was Bernie's big win and it happened mostly due to votes cast weeks ago

But Bernie has zero path forward in states like CT, NJ, MD, IL, NY where black voters in the cities will team up with affluent whites in the suburbs and older rural voters to provide blow out wins.

I’m so giddy that Bernie got his ass kicked.

I am too R326. I have hope again.

[quote]Bernie has no shot now that Biden has awoken the Army of Karens and Chads in suburbia who all vote unlike the Bros who mostly tweet.

Biden owes that to the endorsements of Amy and Pete who has the support of those Karens and Chads.

Amy and Pete need to be given top positions in a Biden Administration.

This is one wacky primary season.

R50, Along those lines, I drove past the Biden "summer home" in Rehoboth Beach, DE, a couple years ago. It's in a regular neighborhood, no exclusive enclave, nice and normal, nothing fancy.

A metaphor.

[quote]Symone is fine but broke a nail lol

THIS is the Sanders I'll be delighted to support. 💅🏻

R124, Yeah, I wonder if Biden thinks the flu vaccine can get rid of the Corona virus; or if vaccines can be made and in use within three months; or if CNN and NBC are the "enemy if the people"; or if his preferred meal comprises hamberders and covfefe; or if he thinks Concord, NH, is Concord, MA; or he'll physically mock the height or the medical condition of another person, stooping or flailing his arms; or ...

If he'll refuse to debate, as your demented hero will.

I'm watching Morning Joe, and both Joe and Mika are giddy.

They have been pushing Biden for months, and I think that they're actually relieved he did so well on Tuesday.

Joe really can't stand Bernie, mostly because of his political positions. But he also knows that Bernie could never win against Trump, and Joe hates Trump more than ANYTHING.

We can probably expect Biden to be on Morning Joe a lot, before November.

R129, A Biden/Michelle ticket would sweep every state.

But fuhgeddaboutit. She might be popular, she might be brilliant, but MO is not a politician. I know, I know: Trump. Well, we aren't them.

Biden/Buttigieg? Biden/Beto? Biden/Harris?

Biden/Warren, if she drops out this week and endorses him. This would be her only window.

I'm of a mind to think that Team Biden is looking to a VP not yet in the race.

Warren needs to go back to the Senate. She’d be poisonous VP. She won nothing. She’s not even popular in Massachusetts.

Will Bernie make it through the Primaries? He looks deeply worn out, labored breathing too. If I were one of these candidates I’d be worried about the Corona Virus too.

I'm telling you all, Biden/Ryan '20 would be a winning ticket.

Tim Ryan is from the crucial state of Ohio, and he's a Midwesterner.

Hillary lost, because she didn't win Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin.

Joe is from PA. Tim Ryan is from OH.

Tim was also running for President before he dropped out, so he must not have any skeletons in his closet. He just didn't have the name recognition to outshine Sanders, Warren, and Biden.

Picking Tim Ryan is a no-brainer.

It’s going to be Biden/Klobuchar. I’m not sure why people are even doubting this.

That's a dangerous ticket, R338.

Amy brings nothing to the table. Minnesota is not a state that is in play.

He NEEDS Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

I assume you meant to say Wisconsin r339.

No one really expects the Dem ticket to win Ohio. It is Wisconsion, Penn, and Mich that are the big three.

Many young voters sat out Super Tuesday, contributing to Bernie Sanders' losses

Ledyard King USA TODAY

WASHINGTON – Young voters cheer Bernie Sanders' anti-establishment message. They turn out in throngs at his rallies. And they form the core of his grassroots efforts to win the Democratic presidential nomination.

But their fiery passion did not translate into the robust turnout he needed on Super Tuesday to win a number of key states, notably in the South where a strong showing by former Vice President Joe Biden has made the nomination contest a two-man race.

Exit polls for five southern states that Biden won – Alabama, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia – found that young voters did not show up at the polls in the numbers they did in 2016.

^ As I posted earlier, the money and supposed support for Sanders just doesn't add up in my opinion.

Most of Sanders’ money is coming from Russia, and his polling numbers are inflated by online trolls. His real-world support just doesn’t exist.

What doesn't add up r342?

Young people have never voted at the rate older people vote. Sanders thought he would somehow change that, but he didnt.

It's going to be Biden/Buttigieg after saying on cam he reminded him of his son. That's a major complement and when it comes to a VP, the best ones are the ones are the ones you would be friends with outside the office. The ani-Pete black vote thing is nullified because they want Biden and they will live with Pete if they have to. Pete brings all the intellectuals to the table. Plus his youth, and military background and he is more progressive than Joe without being a Socialist. Biden didnt talk that glowingly with the other candidates who suddenly endorsed him, not at that level.

I just don't buy that he needs to have a cliche black woman on the ticket to win like Stacy Abrams. She dose nothing for the ticket. Joe already has the that group of voters in his back pocket. Now he needs to find a way to entice the younger people and Bernie Bros. At least Pete is close their age, and he was a Sanders fan in his youth.

R343 a lot of the bernie bros on twitters are also russian bots/fake accounts.

Don't discount Susan Rice

Who is not only a black woman who was part of the Obama administration, but a Rhodes scholar as well.

Susan Rice unfortunately has the same name as black George Bush ass-licker Condaleeza Rice.

People are going to hear Biden/Rice and stay home.

[quote]I just don't buy that he needs to have a cliche black woman on the ticket to win like Stacy Abrams. She dose nothing for the ticket.

....Except GUARANTEE the Black vote. What are you even talking about, dude? How in the universe is she "cliche"?

Please explain this idiocy.

[quote]It's going to be Biden/Buttigieg after saying on cam he reminded him of his son.

As much as I love Pete, and I'm SO PROUD of him, I just don't see this. But, in his defense, there were many who felt that the country wasn't ready for a black man either. While I don't think that he will be VP I do think that Pete will have a very well featured/spotlighted position in a Biden Administration. I believe that Joe wants to give a younger generation experience.

[quote]I just don't buy that he needs to have a cliche black woman on the ticket to win like Stacy Abrams. She dose nothing for the ticket. Joe already has the that group of voters in his back pocket.

Nuh-Uh... don't take that vote for granted. While it might not be Stacey Adams (I agree with you. She brings nothing a ticket) I wouldn't discount a Black woman being added to the ticket.

[quote]What doesn't add up [R342]? Young people have never voted at the rate older people vote. Sanders thought he would somehow change that, but he didnt.

Stadiums filled to capacity and even overflowing with excited young people and millions of dollars that pour into that campaign at the snap of fingers, and then... they don't show up to the poll to vote? Nuh-Uh... something is not right here.

[quote]Most of Sanders’ money is coming from Russia, and his polling numbers are inflated by online trolls. His real-world support just doesn’t exist.

I starting to really believe this.

[quote]...Except GUARANTEE the Black vote. What are you even talking about, dude? How in the universe is she "cliche"?

Biden already has the black vote. He doesn’t need loser Stacey Abrams.

The voters he really needs to focus on are the white Midwestern working class and suburban voters.

Of course they showed up r352. There were young people who voted and they overwhelmingly voted for Sanders. But when you look at rates, the percentage of young people in the electorate does not match the percentage of older people who vote. Just because they are the loudest, that does not translate into them being the biggest group. The thousands of young people who might show up to rally does not represent all the younger voters who simply don't vote.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump· 1h

So selfish for Elizabeth Warren to stay in the race. She has Zero chance of even coming close to winning, but hurts Bernie badly. So much for their wonderful liberal friendship. Will he ever speak to her again? She cost him Massachusetts (and came in third), he shouldn’t!

The Democrat establishment came together and crushed Bernie Sanders, AGAIN! Even the fact that Elizabeth Warren stayed in the race was devastating to Bernie and allowed Sleepy Joe to unthinkably win Massachusetts. It was a perfect storm, with many good states remaining for Joe!

R354, Bernie's shtick is that he can bring in many new and younger voters. A new voting coalition.

What happened? Where were they?

What the hell happened to Krystal Ball? I ended up unfollowing her on Twitter because she got so toxic.

I'm only seeing things now because of people that I do follow responding to her.

[quote]So selfish for Elizabeth Warren to stay in the race. She has Zero chance of even coming close to winning, but hurts Bernie badly.

Trump tweeting this tells you all you need to know. He’s pissed as hell that he’s not going to get to run against Bernie. He would crush Sanders like a bug.

It never happens r356. If you are counting on young voters to outvote older voters, you are going to lose.

Susan Rice is a brilliant suggestion for VP. She ticks absolutely every box and has terrific National experience. She is ready to be president on day one should the job fell to her.

Yep r358.

Trump has always been most scared of running against Joe Biden, he clearly feels he will be the hardest to beat.

Ah, I see #RiggedPrimary is trending.

What a surprise.

Well... there's still LOTS of work to do! I hope the VP doesn't let all of this publicity go to his head and think that he can rest on his laurels.

LGBTQ voters flock to Bernie Sanders

Lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Americans — long a reliable voting bloc for Democrats — made up a disproportionately high 9 percent of the electorate in the Super Tuesday contests, and more than 40 percent of them voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, according to the NBC News Exit Poll.

The poll, which was conducted in 12 of the 14 Super Tuesday states, found that slightly less than 1 of every 10 voters identified as "LGBT." In addition to the 42 percent of such voters who went for Sanders, I-Vt., 22 percent backed Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts — meaning two-thirds of all LGBT votes went to the two most progressive Democrats on the ballot.

Democrats flipped a state house seat in Maine by 15 points that Trump previously carried by 8 points. Susan Collins is reportedly very concerned.

R353 He does? Is it November 3 already? see R363

R359 Bernie Bros = young voters can’t think beyond election day. They don’t realize that it would be 4 years of complete DEADLOCK--no matter how many seats the Dems get--if Sanders is elected. Can you imagine?

[quote]Ah, I see #RiggedPrimary is trending.

The BernieBots are nasty and vile people. They are probably worse than the Trumptards or one in the same. But, always take note that Bernie really does nothing to stop them.

But, we're going to see that. Republicans are already raising Hunter Biden and the tried & true "Hillary Clinton emails." They're also about to make "The Best of Joe Biden's gaffes" go viral. The Vice President, the campaign, and his supporters, have to be ready for this and ready to combat it.

[quote]LGBTQ voters flock to Bernie Sanders

Hmm... I don't know about this...

[quote]susan Collins is reportedly very concerned.

Today, and every day, babe.

I really think Collins is going to be knocked out r365.

She is the only Republican in Congress from New England. An endangered species.

GAY!!!

#NeverQueer

#NeverBernie

Nate Cohn

It's been noted that turnout hasn't been up very much in Sanders '16 areas--and even down--so here's a provocative hypothesis for you: a small but nonetheless notable proportion of the Sanders '16 rural vote is now just Trump vote, and it's not going back even if he's the nom.

[quote]and more than 40 percent of them voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, according to the NBC News Exit Poll.

That means 60% voted for someone other than Bernie Sanders.

Michelle as VP would be AMAZING. Can you imagine an Obama kicking Dump out of the WH? Dump would exlode into a million pieces.

Does anyone know if she has political ambition and would consider running for office?

The Democrats will put half a dozen people on Hunter 24/7 until Election Day to make sure he doesn't so much as take a baby aspirin or side eye a working girl. They will spin the narrative of his drug abuse as survivors guilt and Joe can either shame Trump & Co for bringing it up or appeal to voters as the father of a son who is an addict.

Hunter is a mess but he's Joe's mess and America will see him fight for him, just like he'll fight for America which is also a friggin mess right now, because of Trump. He's gonna fight for America, too.

Joe and the Democrats are going to fight, together, finally. They're going to win. Oh God, they are.

[quote]Does anyone know if she has political ambition and would consider running for office?

She has made it QUITE clear. SHE HAS NO INTEREST!

[quote]Does anyone know if she has political ambition and would consider running for office?

She has absolutely no interest in it.

[quote]The Democrats will put half a dozen people on Hunter 24/7 until Election Day to make sure he doesn't so much as take a baby aspirin or side eye a working girl.

The Democratic Party survived Roger Clinton, we can survive Hunter Biden.

Additionally, we have the counternarrative of the Trump spawn being busted for running a scam charity.

[quote]and more than 40 percent of them voted for Sen. Bernie Sanders, according to the NBC News Exit Poll.

Well... there were Blacks who willingly fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War. There are gay Trump supporters.

You can't get 'em all....

Everyone is talking about the blacks, the blacks, you cant win without the BLACKS! Ok, you had your say, now stop hogging the spotlight and shut the fuck up. How about Hispanics? Asians? Where are they in this picture? And for that matter, now that Pete is gone, what about the gays? Where is our piece of the pie?

I think my favorite moment of the night was Jill Biden and Symone Sanders body-checking those vegans.

The financial markets appear as if they are going to be up this morning. Were I Biden's people I'd be all over this!

" The World Is Beginning To Breathe A Bit Easier"

"Biden will bring stability"

"Corporate America take interest in Biden victories"

I could work with this...

Doesn't that play into Bernie's narrative?

[quote]Everyone is talking about the blacks, the blacks, you cant win without the BLACKS! Ok, you had your say, now stop hogging the spotlight and shut the fuck up. How about Hispanics? Asians? Where are they in this picture? And for that matter, now that Pete is gone, what about the gays? Where is our piece of the pie?

Sit down.

I HOPE that the Biden campaign will exploit that line that Joe said last line; "DACA people. DON'T GO ANYWHERE! I'm coming!" Beautiful! Just beautiful!

Asians, will be here soon. They just have not made themselves a voting block yet.

Gays? What do you want? I'm confident that Pete will have a MAJOR position in a Biden Administration. Joe supports gay rights, etc. What are you looking for?

[quote]I HOPE that the Biden campaign will exploit that line that Joe said last line; "DACA people. DON'T GO ANYWHERE! I'm coming!"

Moments like that are what helped me get over my apprehensions about supporting him. I had said that if Warren was in a better position, I'd be for her, but that kind of stuff could have gotten me to switch even if she was still viable.

The latino vote has been strong for Sanders. Many people have been talking about that r379.

That helped him in Nevada, it helped him in CA, and he helped him make it close in Texas.

One potential loser tonight is campaigns. Like, in general.

Joe Biden had ONE field office in Virginia. Was outspent 7-to-1 by Sanders and almost 100-to-1 by Bloomberg in all super Tuesday States. Had barely campaigned in any states. And yet...

Biden needs a VP and partner that can excite the campaign crowds. He needs somebody that is like minded and he gets along well with. There's only one person that fits that bill and it's Pete.

That comment is plagiarized r386.

R316, AOC should be crying because the knives are out for her in NYS. Rumors are the establishment Democrats in Albany want to redraw district lines after the census (when the state is expected to lose at least one Congressional seat) to eliminate her district altogether. That would force her to run against another establishment incumbent and the NYS Democratic Party would put all resources into that race.

R380, those ladies are badasses. They were willing to die for Joe or tear those protesters apart. 100% willing, without thought. Would ANY of Trump's family's have stepped in FRONT of him, if there was a threat? Or run away? Pushed him towards it? We all know that answer.

R387, I believe Joe wants Pete as his VP. The Beau comparison and ...some [choices] are worth losing over...". He wants it to be Pete, even though he knows that some want him to chose an older/straight/female/other ethnic background. He knows Pete is a 'risk', but one losing over. IMO

*one worth losing over, sorry

I think the relationship between Biden and Buttigieg is very endearing. I would really look forward to seeing them campaign together.

Well Pete was the strongest moderate other than Biden.

[quote]I think the relationship between Biden and Buttigieg is very endearing.

Yes, we know all the 70-somethings on DL want a 30-something boyfriend. Cue the Joe & Pete slashfic.

Amy is the best VP choice. She delivered a Minnesota win for him, where Bernie was polling higher just days before.

Who said Susan Rice? Bwahaha! Epitome of sounding like Ms. Milquetoast!

Biden/"Beau" Buttigieg!

Once again an AOC-backed candidate LOSES, this time in Texas. Nobody is into Socialism.

Wow, r395. (See: Mondale, Walter)

Of course Pete and Amy bowed out to give Joe an edge on Super Tuesday. Of course Elizabeth is staying in the race to take votes away from Bernie. Welcome to politics. This is what it’s all about, Bernie. Geez you’ve been a Senator for 100 years, you should know how things work. Politics is building alliances... it just is. But you’d rather make enemies of everyone who could be helping you. Good luck with that.

I had to turn off Twitter again. Bros, please explain to me how this was "rigged"?

[quote]I had to turn off Twitter again. Bros, please explain to me how this was "rigged"?

Because Bernie didn't win. Duh.

Bros: Warren needs to drop out so her supporters get behind Bernie.

Also Bros: Amy and Pete dropping out prove that this contest is rigged.

Cause more people voted for Biden than Sanders, so y'know "rigged"

R379? You got some issues.

Biden wins MAINE!

Odds that if Biden gets an actual majority of delegates, Bernie pushes again for a contested convention again?

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F-U! I've already chosen my Inaugural dress!

[quote]I'm of a mind to think that Team Biden is looking to a VP not yet in the race.

I think this is likely.

He said explicitly he won't pick Pete. There's a place for him. It's not Veep. Harris doesn't bring enough tangibles to an election campaign to justify her. Maybe Amy... but I think the pressure on him to choose a black person will be huge and justifiable. I don't think it will be Stacey Abrams... she's young and doing important work now... and pragmatically all she brings is being a black woman. She couldn't carry Georgia in a state election... there's no reason to think she can flip it in the general. Andrew Gillam's experience is modest given his youth and picking him would be a massive, unnecessary slap in the face to Booker.

I read this: the establishment isn't changing this election, black people are. It would be potentially disrespectful not to run with a qualified black running mate. The claim cannot be made they don't exist.

But first he's got to get the nomination. I am very worried about the next debate. Biden's poised to be a fine president but he's usually a terrible debater and his campaigning is uneven. I love the guy and want him to win but I am nervous, especially if Warren is determined to cling on to the end and tries to do a Bloomberg on Biden. She is capable of making mistakes now for which she won't be forgiven within the party.

Tulsi won a sovereign nation KKK encampment in Idaho.

I like Hakeem Jeffries or Val Demings for VP. Val Demings would guarantee the critical electoral votes from Florida.

R389, how lame. I'm no big fan of AOC, but that just sounds like Republicans and their love of gerrymandering.

If AOC would not have showboated, they wouldn't be coming for her.

"... but I think the pressure on him to choose a black person will be huge and justifiable."

He's got the African Americans; they want a connection to Obama again (don't believe the fake Blacks-4-Bernie; it's Vlad's Russian hackers).

Joe needs to win white blue collar Independents, and anti-Trump Deplorables and Undecideds.

I forgot about Jeffries and I forgot about Eric Holder... Jeffries is regarded as a rising star in the party... rumoured as a successor to Pelosi.

So there's Jeffries, Holder, Rice, Patrick, Sellers, Jones, Demming, Booker... that's eight... some longer shots than other but it's evident a Biden VP will be black, with plenty of talented people to choose from.

R413, regardless of her own personal behavior, the will of the people in her district showed that they wanted her. If they want to get her our, run a good centrist and let the constituents choose vs. Republicanesque tactics.

*out

Sorry, R411, I like Val Demings, but I do not think she would be a particularly good candidate, and I seriously doubt if she would guarantee a Florida win. Her experience is almost entirely in law enforcement. She’s been in Congress for three years. She is simply not ready to be the President of the United States. She did a decent job in the impeachment trial, but I don’t think she was she strongest part of that team by far.

Did you see Bernie’s new ad? It’s downright Trumpian. That old fucker has no shame.

Did you see Bernie’s new ad? It’s downright Trumpian. That old fucker has no shame.

At least Val Demings is more qualified than Aunt (Abrams) Jemima.

That's just lowdown R419.

And I thought Bernie and Bros were anti establishment? Who is more establishment than Obama?

Bloomberg is OUT!

Bloomberg is OUT!

Bloomberg notified supporters he's out. Bernie probably even more pissed now.

VP = Tammy Duckworth. Put money on it.

Bloomberg endorses Biden!

Well damn!

[quote]Val Demings would guarantee the critical electoral votes from Florida.

If black people refused to support a Prosecutor (Kamala), they are certainly not going to support a Cop.

Stick a fork in Bernie after the 10th.

[quote]I read this: the establishment isn't changing this election, black people are. It would be potentially disrespectful not to run with a qualified black running mate. The claim cannot be made they don't exist.

I don't think that Biden "HAS" to choose an African-American BUT he MUST seriously consider an viable African American candidate.

r430 Val Demings is well liked by everyone in Central Florida r430, not just black people. She has served the community for decades and Central Florida is very important for the candidate to win the state.

If Biden and Obama can’t get the black vote no VP black candidate is going to do it for them.

[quote]Sorry, [R411], I like Val Demings, but I do not think she would be a particularly good candidate,

Her awful wigs will kill the ticket.

Hakeem Jeffries/ VP.

What are you all going on about... Biden already has the black vote.

This creates the room for Warren to step out too, if she's willing. Her animus toward Bloomberg was so whack I didn't think she'd go til he did (Liz and Bloomie were the new Pete and Amy.).

I still worry she'll stick around to try to do a takedown at the next debate. She's got some money and Biden proved you don't need much to muddle through.

R437, agreed. I think it's the Latino, youth, and progressive vote he needs to focus on now.

[quote]What are you all going on about... Biden already has the black vote.

He cannot take it for granted and he must show respect for it. There will be a black American on his ticket. It's almost certain unless there's polling that show blacks really don't give a damn about the ticket so long as it boots Trump.

[quote]Did you see Bernie’s new ad? It’s downright Trumpian. That old fucker has no shame. And I thought Bernie and Bros were anti establishment? Who is more establishment than Obama?

Bernie and BernieBots don't care. I'm telling you... they're just as nasty and vile, if not more, than the Trumptards!

[quote]There will be a black American on his ticket. It's almost certain unless there's polling that show blacks really don't give a damn about the ticket so long as it boots Trump.

At the very least, Biden will have to appoint (and, make it very known) a couple of Black Ambassadors.

LOL @ the Bernie ad... the slippery old bastard.

Bad choice... it's going to become a laughing stock.

Oh Lordy, the Burnout stans got this thread closed. So sensitive!

Mother Maxine for VP!

[quote]I think it's the Latino, youth, and progressive vote he needs to focus on now.

No, it’s the white Midwestern vote he needs to focus on now, which is why Amy Klobuchar will be the VP.

Biden will have Obama campaigning for him... which will be enough to shore up the black vote. He doesn’t need a black VP too.

[quote]I think it's the Latino, youth, and progressive vote he needs to focus on now.

Yep. He REALLY needs to push his line from last night;

"DACA people. DON'T GO ANYWHERE! I'm coming!"

One, because he truly believes it. Two... Obama tried, but couldn't get anything more concrete done because of politics. They need to get Biden on Univision and Telemundo asap!

[quote] How will the media spin this to try to tear down Biden?

Not this time. Trump called media "the enemy of the people." "Fake news" hits their bottom line. Media is all-in on Biden.

R437 You're right, Biden has the black vote wrapped up no matter what. They can be counted upon to vote pragmatically. A POC VP would be to placate woke whites.

Biden owes his victory to blacks people. He will pick a black woman for VP. You Pete queens are delusional if you think it’s going to be him. Do you know anything about politics?

Bloomberg's billions will crush Bernie, exposing his dubious past and being unfit to be President.

Go Mike!!

[quote]Biden will have Obama campaigning for him...

Well, that will scare the shit out of Trump and the Republicans, but nuh-uh... Biden has to show that he can do this on his own. Obama, must work from the shadows.

R446, so states like AZ, NV, CO, TX don't matter?

[quote]Two... Obama tried, but couldn't get anything more concrete done because of politics.

That’s why Biden needs Amy on his team. She knows the current Senate inside-out and knows how to get bills passed with bi-partisan support.

R448 That’s why Biden needs Pete on the ticket because he can speak fluent Spanish.

Bloomberg needs to keep his focus on taking down Trump and supporting Biden. No negative ads against Bernie. Bernie will continue to diminish against the Joementum.

R456 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[quote]That’s why Biden needs Pete on the ticket because he can speak fluent Spanish.

Pete, at this point would be like Daddy Bush's VP (except he's MUCH smarter) He wouldn't be used effectively and in an area that would gain him the most exposure. He's still too green at this point.

I'm still not opposed to Beto. Beto is a GenXer and he gets asses in the seats, he's photogenic. But I have a feeling that the DNC is going to push Kamala.

It’s pretty much over. I like senator sanders but joe beat him fair and square. We could wrap this up in the next couple weeks and start the general election. I think it’ll come down to Florida whether or not this ends soon. If Bernie isn’t even viable there then he has no chance.

Just disgusting... Take Sanders down. TAKE HIM DOWN HARD!

Bernie Sanders @BernieSanders·1h

I'm proud to have fought my entire career against cuts to Social Security. Joe Biden cannot say the same.

I’m just happy we get to see sexy Beto sweating on the campaign trail for the next 8 months.

Beto needs to take his hyper self and hide.

Bernie's only going to look desperate. He proved last night he can't expand his base and his base proved it like rallies, not showing up to vote.

All Joe needs to do is look at the audience and say: Do you think I'd do that?

Bernie can you talk about how hard you fought against the NRA and how Biden can't say the...

Oh nevermind.

Oh please R462. It’s a fair critique of Biden. It’s not “disgusting”. The sanders team was way too arrogant. They should have been attacking joe all along instead of Bloomberg. It’s way too late now. They blew it. I’m also guessing they’re REALLY regretting pushing the talking point about the person with a plurality of delegates should automatically be the nominee.

Hope Biden team has a plan to win over young people. It’s the one demographic he got destroyed in.

Young people don't vote.

And Bernie did such a great job with young people getting them to the polls and...

Oh wait, nevermind.

[quote]Hope Biden team has a plan to win over young people. It’s the one demographic he got destroyed in.

Young people don’t vote. So hopefully Biden’s plan is to ignore young people and focus on the issues important to the voters who show up on Election Day.

They think they've stopped Bernie but they haven't.

R468, if you keep believing that tired trope, you risk tens of millions of votes at your own peril.

We vote by not voting. That's how powerful our disdain is.

Take that, boomer.

Air pods in, everybody.

Bernard isn't stopping until he can collect more $27 donations from morons and build that 4th home!

Biden MUST speak directly and hard about 3 issues... and, 3 issues only; Healthcare, Climate Change, and DACA (speaking too heavily about immigration might be too problematic at this point)

IMHO, Biden needs to make a call Republican Bill Weld.

In reality, not Burner Fantasy Land, Biden did not get destroyed by the young vote, they helped him. Burn out was the one that got destroyed by the young vote who decided not to turn up and vote for him.

Um, R472...That argument took another hit Tuesday. The biggest reason was lack of young voters. Exit polls showed only about 1 in 8 voters were between the ages of 18 and 29 years old. By contrast, nearly two-thirds were 45 or older, and about 3 in 10 were 65 or older.

R476, true. But who do you think will get hurt more by voters not showing up in November? Trump or Biden?

Biden will need the young people that did show up, especially the young Latinos that went to Sanders.

R477, at least half of voters over 45 will likely vote Trump in November. I don't know where people think that votes for the Democrats will materialize from, but I don't think this sort of flippant dismissiveness of Latino, youth, or more progressive voters is going to help.

R479, it seems some people are more interested in appeasing the older voters in Deep Southern states which will never go Democrat in any shape, in any way.

Young voters overwhelmingly supported Bernie Sanders on Super Tuesday, but not enough turned out to overcome Joe Biden

But turnout among young voters on Super Tuesday was low across the board, and this hurt Sanders big time as former Vice President Joe Biden came out the big winner.

Latinas are going to vote for Biden in November or get deported by Trump.

Does anyone have the actual % on how many young voters turned out? I heard it was as low as 13%. We're screwed.

I don't want Biden. I'm angry today.

R478 they couldn't even be bothered to show up for their "Daddy" Burnout... they're not going to show up regardless of whatever pandering any other candidate does.

And that's why no one takes them seriously.

The only power the young vote has is in their own delusional belief in their power. All the screaming and yelling that they won't vote means nothing because everyone knows they wouldn't anyway.

[quote] I don't think this sort of flippant dismissiveness of Latino, youth, or more progressive voters is going to help.

Who has?

R485, OK. It's settled then -- Biden is somehow going to win in November with only people over age 45 voting...

R486, most of the threads about choosing Biden's VP is about how he must choose a black VP because of black voters, despite so many of them being concentrated in southern states which -- while important in a primary -- will go Republican in the presidential general. Not entirely blue/almost blue states with heavy Latino and youth populations like AZ, NV, CO, TX get ignored.

YO! Don't PLAY with that Home Depot gal!!!

Has Steyer given his endorsement? Just wondering.

Show me the numbers again about how the young vote show up?

I am stunned by the turnaround in the party - I am centrist left but know Bernie can't win the general and was despondent just two weeks ago when it looked like 4 more years of Trump.

Bernie Bros are already out in force- tossing around lies about losing the youth vote (what vote- the 13 percent that showed up yesterday?!?!) and the "establishment" (of black people and women?!?!).

I hope Warren drops out after getting embarassed in her own state. I hope she doesn't endorse Bernie (or anyone) because I know alot of Warren supporters who will be heading to Biden if she's out.

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R491, that uptick in the young vote sure helped in 2018.

Burnie fanatics want to screech that they won't vote... and then they get pissed off that nobody cares about their threats and they think everyone else is the asshole.

Typical behavior.

Yes, and those young voters who showed up in 2018 were not showing up for Burnout.

MSNBC said there were no statistics backing up the idea that the majority of Warren voters would move to Sanders.

[quote]Burnie fanatics want to screech that they won't vote... and then they get pissed off that nobody cares about their threats and they think everyone else is the asshole. Typical behavior.

They're just vile and nasty...

[quote]Burn out was the one that got destroyed by the young vote who decided not to turn up and vote for him.

That’s probably why Bernie has been such a failure at getting anything accomplished. He has no strategy. I mean, who bases a campaign around the support of young voters?? A demographic that has always had a reputation for not voting??

R495, I am very anti-Bernie, wanted Pete, and settled for Biden. But I'm also anti this delusion that some posters have, that they don't think we need a more robust showing (at least at the level of 2018) in the presidential general from young voters.

If only voters over age 45 voted, Trump would win easily.

Warren will endorse Biden or no one. She wants a cabinet position.

It’s too bad Warren spent most of her campaign licking Bernie’s taint, when she should have been attacking him.

No one is saying that we only need voters 45 and over. Obviously you need as many voters as you can get, including young voters, HOWEVER, the point is that those young voters screeching that they're not going to vote are assholes who think they have more power than they do... the ones screaming that they won't vote in protest would not have voted anyway. THAT is the point. Those same people could not bother to turn out for the person THEY WANTED.

So to give these assholes any serious attention is a waste of time.

Exactly. The same assholes screeching they now won't vote were the same ones just last week harassing people for saying they wouldn't vote for Burnie if he got the nod.

They're hypocritical morons.

I'm not worried about the youth vote. 2018 had a higher youth vote but Dem victories were mostly moderate progressives, AOC and her crew notwithstanding. In the actual swing states, moderates did best. I'm not worried about all the young Berners in CA and NYC not voting.

Turnout yesterday was particularly strong where Biden won. Shows me that Dems really, really want to get rid of Trump, which is why alot showed up, and they think Biden is our best chance to do it. Certainly the right has no fears about Bernie- Hugh Hewitt went on national tv saying he was voting for him and the Rethugs were urging Bernie voting in open states.

Never Trumpers are ecstatic on Twitter. They wanted Biden and definitely didn't want Bernie. To me, that gives us a real shot at any former Repugs (and there are many) who hate Trump becuase he doesn't govern like a true conservative, particularly fiscally.

I'm not saying Biden will beat Trump. I'm just saying there's no way in hell Bernie would.

[quote]Warren spent most of her campaign licking Bernie’s taint

Pics please.

I am beginning to think Warren may endorse Biden, which would be a further blow to Sanders. But I think Warren will hold her cards close to her chest for another month or so...but she needs to be careful that she doesn't fall so far off the map her endorsement becomes minimized to the point it doesn't matter who she endorses.

I think getting young voters to vote is one part enthusiasm, two parts ground game. The ground game equals the surrogates you send out to speak them, getting them registered and voting early.

[quote] No one is saying that we only need voters 45 and over.

I have definitely seen that sentiment repeated enough here over the last four years where I wonder if some people actually believe it. But I agree with the rest of your post. The screeching BernieOrBust voters were a lost cause from the word go. But there are many decent Bernie voters who will feel alienated, and in the spirit of party unity, I hope Joe makes a couple of overtures to reach out to the more decent ones. We're going to need every vote we can get.

Bernie will be finished on March 10.

I hope he's finished on March 10th. But he won't act like it. Will be the baby he was in 2016, crying conspiracy with his cult backing him up.

[quote]but she needs to be careful that she doesn't fall so far off the map her endorsement becomes minimized to the point it doesn't matter who she endorses.

She’ll fall off the map. She’s run a terribly non-strategic campaign.

Correct, r397. No matter how much an equitable tax structure we could put into place that would mean no further burden on the Middle Class while offering universal health care (not "healthcare insurance"), Americans would out of hand reject all the above because...."Socialism" Bogey Man!!!

For such a smart lady, Liz was a total dimwit to throw in with Sanders. So many layers of stupid.

[quote] It’s too bad Warren spent most of her campaign licking Bernie’s taint

Others have pointed out Warren's value to Biden. She almost single-handedly took down Bloomberg in the debates and helped contrast the Bloomberg in the slick commercials with real-life Bloomberg. Maybe Biden appreciates that.

She's got to be careful... there is no measurable argument for her to hang in there... at some point she risks looking petty, divisive or clueless. Another Bloomberg type attack on Biden or Bernie or both would play poorly. Pete and Amy both made what at least appear to be surgical decisions to make clean exits. I hope Warren has the common sense to know it's time to go. It's a hard decision, especially for someone who believes so deeply in her mission (Burn is in the same boat) but there comes a time you have to accept you couldn't sell it.

Medicare for all is a loser position right now and Warren was done when she went there. Yes, healthcare is a mess for millions of Americans but there are union folks (teachers, etc.) who have ridiculously cheap and good healthcare and they are the backbone of the Dem party.

[quote]Pics please.

NO! NO! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NO!!

Sorry... even in death I forgot Bloomberg... same surgical assessment and exit. You have to respect him even if you don't like him.

Liz: don't go all Norma Desmond on us now.

My guess is Liz was expecting to be Bernie's VP because strategically it made no sense for her to go after the moderates once it became clear that Bernie had the progressive lane locked up. She's a terrible strategist if she thought otherwise.

[quote]Pete and Amy both made what at least appear to be surgical decisions to make clean exits. I hope Warren has the common sense to know it's time to go.

Warren may be the smartest one in the room, but she has absolutely no common sense.

Pete and Amy are both far more strategic and pragmatic.

If I had the time I would make a complete list of all of Warren's missteps. This is textbook 101 how not to run a national campaign. I would have originally said don't run a Massachusetts campaign nationally, but it appears that it won't even fly in Massachusetts. That was just embarrassing. Third in her own state? Gurl?!?!

I would be shocked if a backroom deal wasn't made with Pete and Amy, securing them cabinet positions for backing Biden. It's brilliant, actually, and a way to really unite the party and bring together great political minds and support. I don't think Liz has a place in a Biden cabinet and who the hell knows what Bernie would do.

[quote]I would be shocked if a backroom deal wasn't made with Pete and Amy, securing them cabinet positions for backing Biden.

You can be sure that a deal was made.

I wish Bernie and the rest would drop out now and unite the Dems to focus on Trump and the general election. Bernie won't win the nomination. Just give up already and make sure Trump isn't going to be reelected in Nov. Don't waste any more time and resources.

I wish Bernie and the rest would drop out now and unite the Dems to focus on Trump and the general election. Bernie won't win the nomination. Just give up already and make sure Trump isn't going to be reelected in Nov. Don't waste any more time and resources.

[quote] but she needs to be careful that she doesn't fall so far off the map her endorsement becomes minimized to the point it doesn't matter who she endorses.

Her endorsement is already irrelevant. She turned off way too many voters than she won over, as the results obviously show.

[quote]I wish Bernie and the rest would drop out now and unite the Dems to focus on Trump and the general election.

He's not going to do that. He's probably looking at ways to position himself to try and extort something from the DNC

I know the media wants to make this into a race, but honestly there is no way forward for Bernie.

He's backed himself into a corner.

Biden wins the entire Northeast and Midwest with a combination of blacks, affluent suburbanites and older blue collar/rural voters. Bernie may have some play in places like Oregon or Idaho, places with few black people and lots of Mexican-Americans, but that's about it.

Warren voters are as likely to go to Biden as Bernie--if they were True Believers they would not be voting for Liz.

And now Bloomberg's Billions to support Biden.

I think the race is done, stick a fork in it, except that Bernie will try to to do Biden what he did to Hillary.

The difference is people LIKE Biden so it won't stick. (And 2020 BernBros are far more obnoxious and unlikeable)

Amy will be AG.

Pete will be Chief of Staff.

If Warren ends up endorsing Joe, she’ll go to Treasury.

I suppose Amy could also be ambassador to Mexico.

Amy will be VP, and Kamala will be AG.

I want to believe that Bernie hates Trump enough and regrets any responsibility his behavior in 2016 contributed to Trump being elected. I suspect Bernie will be better to Biden than he was to Clinton. I predict Bernie is out by April.

Pete could be in charge of carrying the President's bag or the Vice President's purse.

Bernie Sanders @BernieSanders 2h

You cannot beat Trump with the same old, same old kind of politics. What we need is a new politics that brings working class people and young people into our political movement.

(1hr)This campaign is different. We have received 8.7 million contributions from over 1.9 million donors. We don't hold high-dollar fundraisers. We don't have a super PAC spending millions of dollars on TV ads. We don't have a single billionaire donor. We have the people.

Biden IS a man, so you may be onto something.

[quote]I suspect Bernie will be better to Biden than he was to Clinton. I predict Bernie is out by April.

The old fucker still believes he was a victim in 2016. He doesn’t regret anything. And he’s pulling the same bullshit again this year.

[quote]We have the people

Where were they yesterday?

[quote]We have the people.

Where we there yesterday?

Bernie is going to do exactly what he did in 2016 -- damage the nominee and waste their money.

Say what you will about HRC, but the one thing you can't take away is that her convention was a historic moment for women, and Bernie did everything he could to ruin it.

[quote]We have the people.

He sounds like Ma Joad at the end of "The Grapes of Wrath."

Deep down, I think Bernie is relieved that he isn't going to win the nomination. He just had a heart attack a few months ago, for crying out loud. He stayed in the race because he didn't want to let his passionate followers down. But you know he was scared to death of running a general election campaign against Trump, and possibly winning and serving a grueling 4 years after that health scare.

I'm sure Biden is scared, too, but it's clear that he only intends to serve one term.

If he does it again, that is how we all and history will remember if he is remembered at all. It’s sad that he could have been viewed as instrumental in expanding socialism in the US If he had mentored younger, more pleasant acolytes instead of trying to be the face and voice of it. Doesn’t seem very socialist to be so self centered.

Bernie supporters remind me of the Beyhive. They are loud fans, not loyal fans. Super Tuesday is to Bernie wHat the spirit album was to Beyonce.

R542 he could have turned it over to Warren to carry on...but he didn't. He wants this. He's ego driven.

R542 - I wish I agreed with you. Bernie should never have been in this- he hurt us bigly in 2016 and is one of a handful of reasons why we have Trump. He should have stepped out after the heart attack. He's a miserable egomaniac faux Democrat who would rather burn it down and help elect Trump again than admit he just doesn't have the support.

I would bet good money that his "youth base" is concentrated in states we don't need to win over anyway- NY, CA, VT.

His “youth base” is concentrated in the Kremlin.

Warren's poor performance on Super Tuesday wasn't inevitable. She was polling higher in a lot of the Super Tuesday states until the seismic shift that occurred in the race after South Carolina. That wasn't baked into anyone's calculus. I presume there was a fair chunk of her voters that switched over to Biden as a tactical maneuver against Sanders (or vice versa) when it was finally morphing into the two person race between Sanders and Biden that everyone had initially suspected it would be at the very start of this election cycle (a year ago). She was collateral damage yesterday and I say that with a heavy heart as someone who voted for her.

The Never Trumpers at Project Lincoln have produced an ad in response to yesterday's GOP video attacking Joe for gaffes:

I'm also surprised the media is not pointing out that much of Bernie's victory in CA came from people who voted prior to the Joe-pocalypse, probably weeks ago,

[quote]the very start of this election cycle (a year ago)

It was only a year ago?

[quote]She was polling higher in a lot of the Super Tuesday states until the seismic shift that occurred in the race after South Carolina.

She was failing WAY before South Carolina.

Biden should pick Bernie as his running mate. Unify the a Dems. Get elected. Wait for Bernie to be debilitated and then replace him with Pete.

I don't want Bernie anywhere near the ticket or party. Certainly don't want him to be next in line to an elderly president like Biden.

[quote] Biden should pick Bernie as his running mate.

No.

r552, but she was never expected to perform well in South Carolina. It was always the Super Tuesday states where she was thought to be the most viable. It didn't pan out that way for a variety of reasons, some of which couldn't have been foreseen at the outset.

I would like to take a moment to tip my hat to Obama and Harry Reid, the real power players in the Democratic Party. Reid has one foot in the grave, yet can still pull off masterful political maneuvers. He even pushed Obama to run, not that he wasn’t going to anyway. Reid played defense for 6 years on behalf of the Obama Admin and did his best to get the ACA through the Senate while holding the majority in 2010.

But this resurrection of Biden’s campaign was really something else. The timing was perfect and all of the players hit hit their cues. Don’t underestimate the intelligence of the Democratic Party establishment.

To Sanders, Reid and Obama didn’t forget your crazy idea to primary the first black president in 2012. Thank goodness Reid read your ass the riot act to walk you back from that stupid idea. But some things simply can’t be forgiven. I know my black ass will never forgive Bernie for even considering such a proposal, but I’d vote for him if he’s the nominee. Thankfully, it looks like Biden might be our guy.

Beto should resurrect his band and campaign in a dress.

What's going on with Joe?

Dementia, Alzheimer's, Residual Effects From Surgery.

I've worked for almost 25 years with patients in these categories, and I'm seeing the signs of something noquite right. I hope that I'm wrong, but if he is on the brink of aserios illness, I hope they're not skirting around the issue for political gain. Early treatment for anyone is your best hope.

This might explain why Jill is such a fierce mamma cougar around her man.

This was the lipless spitter's last rodeo. He isn't going to be around to scream and spit at any more debates after this cycle.

What other disliked grifter will step up to take his place?

Aw, the Bernie Bros are circling back to that whole "Joe has dementia" bullshit.

Aw, you're adorable, r559. Now run outside and play.

AOC will be of age for the next go around.

Liberal radio host/Bernie supporter Thom Hartmann's posits these reasons for Biden's Super Tuesday success:

1. Lots of Republicans showed up to vote for Joe in states with open primaries.

2. Jim Clyburn's endorsement was huge.

3. MSNBC & CNN have been "very unfair" to Bernie and Joe "got wall-to-wall positive coverage."

4. People are frightened of the coronavirus and don't want to take a chance on revolution & change with the new guy.

R561- yep, they are so predictable. As pathetic as their screamer in chief.

When your candidate is also in his 70s and had a heart attack last year, spare us your "concerns" about any candidate's health.

AOC seems to be a bad luck charm for those she endorses. As I recall it didn't work out well for her 2018 endorsements either.

[quote] Dementia, Alzheimer's,

Yes, this is the new push from FoxNews. (I can't tell if you are a concern troll or serious.)

Brit Hume said that last night's acceptance speech was concerning because Biden confused his wife and sister for a second. Britt's panelists were skeptical, but Brit pushed on. I wonder if Trump, who watches a lot of FoxNews, will change Biden's nickname from Sleepy Joe to something else.

I thought this thread on twitter explained the why joe and not warren surge had to happen. I liked e warren but she went too progressive/sjw for me:. Some of her followers are very disheartened but it’s the right time for Joe:

[quote]How did Biden turn this around so quickly?

What was there to be "turned around," except a bullshit narrative on the part of the media, to sell soap, that winning a few bumfuck caucuses, in states that don't matter, means anything?

If you had turned off the news on February 1 and tuned in again on March 4, you'd be in the same position -- you'd know that Biden was favored to win the nomination. In between has been all these false hysterics claiming that Biden was dead because Bernie won eight more delegates in Iowa than Biden did -- when almost 4,000 delegates are up for grabs.

It will be former Congresswoman AOC by 2024.

The Never Trumpers are ready for Rethug attacks about Biden's gaffes. I'm not surprised that Bernie and his Bros are going that low this quickly-- he did get his wrinkly crazy ass handed to him last night. These Never Trumpers have a great compilation of all the stupid gaffes and insanity that's come out of Trump's half dead brain.

"I've worked for almost 25 years with patients in these categories, and I'm seeing the signs of something noquite right."

You and your fake expertise can fuck right off.

R569 - I hope. AOC is poison for the Dems.

I do think Joe's health (especially cerebral deterioration) is a big variable if he's the nominee. Gaffes that the Trump Machine will leverage to the degree of Hillary's email BS (and Comey's communications on that caused Trump to win in 2016 - you don't think Trump as President will use everything to win... Barr charging Joe with child molestation... get ready for the shitshow).

But the Dem party really needs a big tent. Thanks to Bernie and all his supporters for bringing critical issues forward. Bernie has changed American politics forever, for the better.

If Joe is the nominee, it's going to be very hard to beat Trump. His message has to be "decency over dirt" - I think Booker would be a good choice for VP because he's very good at exactly that message. Appealing to our higher angels. And importantly, he's from a state who will replace him with a Dem as Senator.

When the burned bros go in on Biden’s health, ask them about Bernie’s medical records? If he’s so healthy why is he beet red and unable to breathe? Worrisome to me as a voter.

Anyone know where to find what the Republican voter turnout was yesterday?

Can't stop laughing at the post saying Burner should get the VP slot. Why?

Democrats have clearly stated their boundaries.... they aren't interested.

For as l can recall "gaffe prone" has always been used to describe Joe. Go back to when he ran in 2008, it's no different. It's what makes him relatable. Joe has this Jimmy Stewart quality to him.

To anyone thinking that Burn out feels badly about his place in 2016, WRONG!

He would need a conscience to do so.

He felt entitled then and he feels entitled now.

Plus he needs another summer home.

And just as a point of amusement - The Sanders campaign was insistent that the candidate with the plurality lead of delegates be awarded the nomination before the convention. I wonder what they say now...

[quote] I don't think Liz has a place in a Biden cabinet and who the hell knows what Bernie would do.

Liz was already in a Cabinet position in the Obama administration.

[quote]But the Dem party really needs a big tent. Thanks to Bernie and all his supporters for bringing critical issues forward. Bernie has changed American politics forever, for the better.

[quote]f Joe is the nominee, it's going to be very hard to beat Trump.

True delusion is believing that Bernard has changed anything "for the better."

Also delusional to think that Biden will have a harder time beating Dotard than Burn out would.

AOC can be annoying sometimes, but so can everyone else. I basically like her. That said, her very left statements, and occasional gaffes, have been used as a stick by the rightwing agitprop machine to beat the entire democratic party.

It was also the extreme left that was beating the IMPEACH NOW drum right from the start, despite Nancy's warnings that it was courting disaster, and look where impeachment got us. Trump's numbers went up, not down. So I have to admit, I would not miss her either.

Middle America finds gaffes by old white men endearing. Ask Trump's base.

It's the coastal elites who are bothered by Joe's gaffes (I am one of these people). But who cares about us, we show up and will vote for him in states that he would win anyway.

The Trump campaign should think twice about using Biden's health or gaffes for their attacks or ads when Trump himself is a big demented retard who can't formulate two coherent sentence or even process simple facts or train of thoughts.

[quote]If Joe is the nominee, it's going to be very hard to beat Trump.

Typical misunderstanding by people who think a presidential election is a national election. It's not. It's a state by state election. And as we all (should) know, there are certain states that are battlegrounds. They have proven, again and again, that they prefer a guy like Joe to a guy like Bernie.

So, no.

R580 - Liz didn't run against Obama. She had a much lower profile back then. Hard to wrap her into several cabinet positions after the super left side of the Dem party got shellacked yesterday. To me, yesterday was a firm rejection of Warren and Sanders by most voters.

A reel of Trump’s gaffes would be ghe length of a film festival. Bloomberg probably already has it compiled.

New thread in case we need one:

I think maybe Biden won't have an African-American as VP. I think he's going to talk with Rep. Clyburn and other AA leaders and explain that he's going to nominate an AA woman to the SC (he said this at the SC debate), but first he needs to win, and he really thinks his non-AA VP pick (I'm thinking Duckworth as well) would cinch it. I think he'll sincerely ask them to please be patient with him and accept this so that he can win for them and all of us. I think they love and trust him, and they'll graciously accept his decision and his reaching out to them.

I hope he picks well and that he engages his base in this sincere manner.

Liz could be Secretary of Education or Housing. I think she would be a great AG, but I get people don't want her in the front row. She is smart and deserves a part of the cake.

Bernie and Joe are both way too old to be president.

They can deny it all they want, but neither one of them is physically or mentally fit to take on the responsibility of the presidency.

[quote] 3/10: ID, MI, MS, MO, ND, WA

I think Biden will win in MS, MO, ND.

Bernie will win in ID, WA, MI.

Of course they'll both reach 15%.

Well we wont have to worry about age if McConnell is still Majority Leader since he won't let anything happen anyway.

Well we wont have to worry about age if McConnell is still Majority Leader since he won't let anything happen anyway.

Bernard is going to get killed in FL.

^We've been point this out for months. Fact is they're no other, younger candidates so deal with it.

R596 you're wrong and uneducated. Tulsi is young!!!

Link to new therad:

New therad:

Closed.

Jesus, autocorrect *pointing out, *there're

[quote]Well...there were Blacks who willingly fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War

Link, please.

Not closed yet! Nyah nyah

AP:

Bloomberg out, Biden resurgent after Super Tuesday victories

[quote]We don't have a single billionaire donor.

I hope some billionaire will go online and donate $37.26 or whatever so he can't say that anymore.