Coronavirus Freakout 2: WuFlu Boogaloo

OP

Thanks for consigning my double post to ignominy.

The title is perfect.

The Boogaloo is what gun rights activists call the inevitable confrontation with government enforcers, created by a breakdown of social order due to some manmade catastrophe.

WuFlu is the Black Swan.

If we have 2 billion people infected in the next 30 days (that is what models predict) then the worst case scenario is wave after wave of diseases and incidental deaths, with a quarter of the population of the planet dying over the next 2 years.

Nothing to worry about. Not at all.

Buy Zantac.

I once saw some TV show about the 16th century depopulation of the Americas from diseases brought from Europe. There was a scientist who stated that a 20% population loss would have destroyed the Indian societies because people had specialized skills, and there weren’t a lot of spares. For example, if they lost their medicine man and his apprentice, then all that information assembled over lifetimes and passed down, is lost.

Americans today are even more specialized than the Indians were. For example, most people today would not know how to farm, if they had to. On the plus side, we have books now, so not all knowledge would be lost.

If you lived in China but were here in the US visiting, what do you do if there are no flights? Live at the airport? Pay for a hotel? That could get expensive real quick.

R1, Just spent about $50 on generics from Amazon of the 3 recommended meds in my previous post. Always good to have stomach relief meds on hand for severe indigestion. Prices are increasing, supplies on some are back ordered.

Interesting that food-grade concentrated bleach also went up in price significantly. It was recommended online elsewhere for those who are concerned about purifying their water supply if SHTF. Also used as a better method to totally disinfect everything.

Just shows the general public is catching on to being prepared although MSM isn't covering this issue.

Maybe you call the nearest Chinese consulate?

How long does it take to die? I’m weighing my options.

OP, I applaud your thread title.

Bravo!

A rather extreme take on the Boogaloo.

Eager to try bat soup after this all blows over!

China now admits to 7,771 cases across the country, Adding nearly 1,800 from 5,974 yesterday. The death toll has climbed to 170, and 170 patients have been cured. Some 31 cases were labeled "severe" and nearly 82,000 are under observation. What is perhaps most shocking is that the number of suspected cases soared by nearly 3,000 overnight from 9,239 to 12,167.

R3, a lot of rich Chinese already have a second home in the U.S.

If you know someone in that situation and they need a cheap place to stay, some hotels rent rooms by the month that have kitchens, that’s probably the most practical solution. In Las Vegas, there are a lot of cheap hotel rooms, away from the Strip. If you want to save money, you might want to go to neighborhood casino places, like Station casinos which are pretty reasonable. There’s also hotels in Primm and Laughlin. There’s not much to do there but if you don’t want to go out, it may not matter much.

If you don’t like casinos or want to hole up somewhere, a lot of people rent houses and apartments out. The price might not be too bad, especially if you share. People list private homes for short term rentals on Travelocity.

Some quiet suburbs are Summerlin (retired people, golfing and big shopping center), Green Valley (nicer suburb), or the next town south of the Strip, Henderson, also a suburban nice area.

If you want a quiet, quaint area, try Boulder City, about thirty minutes south of the strip on the I-95. It’s an old town, built for the Hoover Dam workers, now antiques shops and has a small town vibe. Historic hotels and motels, little or no gambling. There’s a local museum that’s also a hotel, they have plays sonetimes I think. It’s touristy for people that like to walk, there’s a small park. It’s very quiet, the whole thing is architecture from the 1930s when the town was built. It’s kind of like Mayberry in the older part of town, with a main drag that has all the business on it.

Other outdoorsy areas off the beaten path would be Lake Las Vegas, or Lake Mead. Look at Hotels.com or Expedia something similar, all these areas have houses people rent out, someone might be able to make a deal if they rented by the week or month.

Most Asian love gambling, but there’s probably older people that are stranded too, or people with young kids.

If someone really has money to burn and wants to stay off the beaten path, Death Valley has a resort that’s supposed to be nice.

8200 plus global cases.

central govt ordered the ramp up of medical goods like masks, googles, protective clothing, ambulances, medications. Central govt will take control of allocation of those resources from local authority.

from cnbc

confirmed cases in Japan--14.

2 of the infected patients have NO SYMPTOMS.

a 2nd plane brought back 210 Japanese Nationals from Wuhan, 26 with symptoms were hospitalized. 3rd plane coming back on Friday.

info from NHK world.

Trump Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross tells Americans to look on the bright side -- coronoavirus could bring jobs back to America.

“I don’t want to talk about a victory lap over a very unfortunate, very malignant disease,” Ross told Fox on Thursday morning. “But the fact is, it does give businesses another thing to consider when they go through their review of their supply chain.”

Can anyone share any twitter accounts that have had good info on this from China/Drs?

[quote]“I don’t want to talk about a victory lap over a very unfortunate, very malignant disease,” Ross told Fox on Thursday morning...

...but being a proud member of this douchebag administration, of course I will."

R16, This is the best site currently for Wuhan updates.

Harry Chen PhD@IsChinar · Riots at hospital construction site over worker health and safety as people are pushed to the very edge.

There used to be a lot of videos posted (see GodLikeProductions for those that have been embedded) but almost all were wiped off of Twitter.

Riot at Chinese construction site. PLEASE help in linking video.

DL Scientists, your analysis please 44 genomes of virus.

Original link was from my Twitter post at R18.

Riots at hospital construction site over worker health and safety as people are pushed to the very edge.

I’m taking my first overseas vacation in 5 years to see family... not in China but still. Will I be alive in 3 weeks to go?

R16, Linked is a full page of Wuhan videos from seriously worried medical personnel. Can't find the Twitter account of the actor/activist from which several videos were linked in the last thread. He said he was way too busy for even MSM interviews. I'll keep trying.

R20, Thank you for your posting help. Westerners may not realize how dramatic it is to riot in a communist country. Rioters tend to "disappear." See Hong Kong students recent rioters as an example.

The White House announced the creation of a coronavirus task force to help combat the deadly and fast-spreading virus.

“The Task Force will lead the Administration’s efforts to monitor, contain, and mitigate the spread of the virus, while ensuring that the American people have the most accurate and up-to-date health and travel information,” White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement issued late Wednesday.

She said members of the task force, headed by Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, have been gathering daily since Monday. President Trump chaired Wednesday’s meeting, and tweeted photos of officials meeting at the White House.

“Just received a briefing on the Coronavirus in China from all of our GREAT agencies, who are also working closely with China,” Trump said in the posting. “We will continue to monitor the ongoing developments. We have the best experts anywhere in the world, and they are on top of it 24/7!”

Grisham’s statement said the task force includes “subject matter experts from the White House and several United States Government agencies, and it includes some of the Nation’s foremost experts on infectious diseases.”

The World Health Organization is holding an emergency meeting Thursday to determine whether the virus should be deemed a global emergency.

THEY SHOULD ALL BE FIRED!

[quote]Grisham’s statement said the task force includes “subject matter experts from the White House and several United States Government agencies, and it includes some of the Nation’s foremost experts on infectious diseases.”

I assume this means that both Ivanka AND Jared are on this task force.

R16, Check out the Twitter page of the actor/activist below for more videos. Max Howroute▫️@howroute · JUST IN: A Chinese man collapsed on the street in MOA, Philippines. #coronavirus (Video by Thang Pham).

Chinese authorities are cracking down on negative media coverage and social media commentary about the coronavirus outbreak, threatening anyone who breaches their rules with up to seven years in jail.

On Wednesday the government authorities issued an order for an article that looked at the possible negative impact of the outbreak on China’s economy to be scrubbed from the internet.

The article, published by state-owned weekly news magazine Sanlian Life Week, considered what might happen to the Chinese economy if the Word Health Organization declares the Wuhan coronavirus to be a “global health emergency.”

The alert, leaked to California-based monitoring group China Digital Times, is just the latest effort by Beijing to censor criticism of the outbreak.

Beijing is eager to avoid a repeat of what happened during its 2003 SARS crisis, when it was heavily criticized for its delayed reaction to the outbreak and its effort to hide its true scale.

Globally, its efforts seem to be working.

On Wednesday, the World Health Organization was effusive in its praise of the Chinese government’s response to the coronavirus outbreak, but inside the country, the government is working overtime to make sure any shortcomings in its response don’t come to light.

These efforts include arresting dozens of social media users who spread “false information without verification.” One of those arrested turned out to be a doctor on the front line of the fights to contain the virus, who shared information about the unknown illness with a private WeChat group. The doctor, who was forced to sign a document saying he would abide by the law, has since been infected with the coronavirus and remains in a critical condition.

This week, police in the port city of Tianjin detained a man for 10 days for “maliciously publishing aggressive, insulting speech against medical personnel” after he criticized the response to the outbreak in a WeChat group he shared with his friends.

China’s huge online censorship system, known as the Great Firewall, is also censoring any information the government deems to be “rumor.”

Examples of this include posts by families of infected people seeking help, by people living in quarantined cities documenting their daily life, and by those criticizing the government’s handling of the crisis.

In a bid to make sure people don’t even try and spread such “rumors” on Chinese social media, the government announced this week that anyone who tries to "disrupt social order" by posting on social media information from sources other than state-run media, will face between three and seven years in jail.

Critics of the government’s efforts to stifle online discussion and sharing of information say these actions threaten basic human rights.

“The coronavirus outbreak requires a swift and comprehensive response that respects human rights,” Yaqiu Wang, a China researcher with Human Rights Watch said in a statement. “Authorities should recognize that censorship only fuels public distrust, and instead encourage civil society engagement and media reporting on this public health crisis.”

In a bid to counteract any negative commentary about the government’s response to the outbreak, state-backed media outlets have been producing gushing reports about Beijing’s efforts to address the crisis.

These include numerous videos of the new hospital being built in Wuhan, all set to stirring background music.

These efforts also include sharing fake images of the new hospital.

The images, which actually show a modular apartment building more than 600 miles away in Qingdao, were posted by the verified Twitter accounts of the Global Times and the People’s Daily, both state-run publications, in an apparent bid to show the hospital construction as more advanced that it really was.

JUST IN: A Chinese man collapsed on the street in MOA, Philippines. #coronavirus (Video by Thang Pham).

The guy who on the ground is young! they keep saying only old people are dying...

No one says "only" old people are dying.

There is no way of knowing if that guy has the coronavirus. People collapse on streets around the world every day.

And here’s another video of people under quarantine sealed off inside their residence due to #coronavirus.

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I don't understand the purpose...they can still take the hinges off the door and go out, if they really want to...

Most of these videos are fake and or videos of other non related things. There was no passenger plane in Toronto landing with 7 confirmed cases. There have only been 3 confirmed cases in Canada. Stop using youtube and twitter as your news sources.

i can’t keep up so have following queries:

is it airborne? some actually got cured?

Anyone know what antiviral mask is good? Most places around me are out of stock and I would like to buy some for an upcoming flight .

R34, Guess you didn't see the video on board the quarantined airplane in Toronto? Or read the texts of the passengers stuck on board?

R34, Where are YOUR media sources that the lock down of the Toronto jet is false?

My favorite YouTube channels about China are ADVChina and serpentza and LaoWhy86.

R35, yes, some recovered.

It can be spread even if they are not showing symptoms...and you can get it from surfaces too.

From BBC:

Coronavirus: Death toll rises as virus spreads to every Chinese region

The death toll from the coronavirus outbreak has risen to 170, and a confirmed case in Tibet means it has reached every region in mainland China.

From BBC:

A flight to bring about 200 British nationals back to the UK from coronavirus-hit Wuhan is unable to take off as planned on Thursday.

It is understood relevant permissions from Chinese officials have not yet come through.

Downing Street said it was "working with Chinese authorities so the flight can take off as soon as possible".

The virus has caused at least 170 deaths, spreading to every Chinese region and at least 15 other countries.

The flight from Wuhan, the city where the virus first emerged, had been expected to arrive on Thursday morning.

BBC health editor Hugh Pym said when the passengers do return, they are due to land at RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire and be transported to former NHS staff accommodation in the north west of England.

They will be put in "supported isolation" for 14 days with "all necessary medical attention", a Downing Street spokesman said.

A small team of military medics is flying out to Wuhan to accompany passengers on the repatriation flight, the Ministry of Defence said.

English govt so fucking useless...Japanese are already on the 3rd plane getting their citizens out!

I'm hungry!

Meanwhile the US will let the contaminated out in THREE DAYS!!! Wtf

R36, just DIY, cut some pieces of cloth and tie with rubber bands (hook them over your ears). cover yourself in large plastic bags as seen in photos from last thread. or water bottles.

"Where are YOUR media sources that the lock down of the Toronto jet is false? "

The fact it was never reported on any media site what so ever.

Stop spreading misinformation.

"and you can get it from surfaces too."

You can get a common cold this way too. It's not special to this virus.

Coronavirus: Passengers rush back to UK on British Airways' last flights

"I think we made the right decision," said Daniel Maloney, who flew back with his two children on British Airways' final flight out of Beijing on Wednesday.

The airline has cancelled all direct flights to and from China until Friday because of the spread of the new strain of coronavirus.

"The village we are in is in lockdown," said Mr Maloney, who lives in northern Beijing where he teaches at an international school.

"All the roads in and out are barricaded off. You can't go outside. They have shut down the malls.

"We have been inside our apartment for a week. There's only so many jigsaws we can do."

Mr Maloney, 50, said he made the decision for the family to leave China and stay with his parents, in Scarborough, North Yorkshire, after he saw the statistics of the number of people infected "stacking up".

"I wanted to get the kids out," he said, speaking from the arrivals lounge in Heathrow Airport on Wednesday afternoon.

"I got the kids out this morning with a special driver. All the motorways were empty. [There were] about 20 people at the airport."

He had been stockpiling food for just under a week, and as he left he gave all his fresh supplies to neighbours.

Asked whether he and others back in China are scared, he replied: "I think now, yes." For many Chinese people, "Sars is still in their minds", he adds.

He said staff in Beijing carried out temperature checks before the flight and - like most of the passengers - the family wore masks, plus goggles for the children.

But on the flight. he said he did not see any checks - although were told some were carried out before landing.

"We have just come from customs. They were joking, saying they have just been given some blue gloves," he added.

The government says it has a team of health experts in Heathrow to support anyone travelling from China who feels unwell.

Mr Maloney said he has already arranged for his children Isabella, 12, and Freddie, 9, to see a doctor later this week.

Edinburgh University student James Marmol, 22, decided "last-minute" to cut short his year abroad in Beijing because of the virus.

"I wasn't actually returning from China until August," he said, also speaking at Heathrow.

"My main worry was I was going to get trapped and not be able to get out of China again, not necessarily as scared about the virus.

"Obviously my parents are, but I was not too afraid."

But he said: "Beijing is pretty scary at the moment. No cars on the street, very different to normal."

And the student accommodation where he lives has closed its doors, with staff taking temperature checks whenever people go in or out.

"It's a little bit scary but mostly because the closing down of things. It's very apparent the government is clamping down," he said.

He said masks have sold out in China - "I was hearing about people who are buying them from Japan in bulk" - but he managed to get hold of one while abroad, which he has been wearing.

Among the masked passengers walking into the arrivals lounge at Heathrow was Joel Hao, 21, a first year business student at Swansea University.

Mr Hao, from the city of Tangshan, said he was in China celebrating Chinese New Year with his family, but changed his flight to come back early.

"I'm quite happy because I changed my flight, but for those who didn't it's too unfortunate," he said.

Salesman Gil Qiao, 40, from Oxford, also changed his flight to come home nearly two weeks early, after the strict travel restrictions in China meant he could not do business - selling laboratory instruments.

"I will keep myself away from family for at least a week," said Mr Qiao.

He said that, before flying, staff "checked the temperature and [made] us write down all the detailed information; if you had been to Wuhan, if you had contact with anyone with infection, if you knew anyone who had been quarantined.

"I don't remember I was given any information on the plane. Before landing I was told someone would check. We sat there for about five minutes where we were told to [stay seated]."

[quote]Anyone know what antiviral mask is good? Most places around me are out of stock and I would like to buy some for an upcoming flight .

Try this -- you'll get your Vitamin C at the same time!

R38, DL ATTENTION:

Kirsten @Kirsten2002

I googled Serpentza and found - Channels like China Uncensored and Serpentza blatantly attack Chinese people, behavior, and politics, often pedaling fake news that does not come with any measure of proof.15 Jun 2019. Advchina is a youtube channel, looked shite. Leowhy #s but wut?

singapore evacutes 92 citizens from Wuhan. they must be in quarantine for 14 days regardless if they show any signs or they will face thousands in fines (7300) and 6 months of jail if they do not comply. govt also implementing 2 wk absences for all students and teaching staff who went to China the past 2 weeks.

very strict...just what I expected.

R46, So I have to trust and believe MSM? You mistakenly think 100% of everything on YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook is false? You're a PAID SHILL or/and 100% CLUELESS.

Trudeau and other world leaders are trying not to scare the public, fearing an economic downturn. That's why MSM isn't thoroughly covering Wu Flu cases and dangers, and why I trust social media and Twitter instead.

[quote]I trust social media and Twitter instead.

And we wonder how Trump got elected?

Thanks everyone for your twitter resources!

R50 et al, Doctors have repeated stated that the masks do a minimal amount of good because infections have been transmitted through the eyes and ears. Also when you remove the mask without special gloves you can transfer miniscule contaminants. Of course all masks are only for 1-day use. Personally I wouldn't fly at all.

Uber drivers in China have been filmed wearing complete Hazmat Suits.

Some who have to work with the public are ordering Israeli-made masks created to withstand a gas attack. Sounds alarmist? Yes but I'm not convinced less expensive ones are really worth the price.

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R51 I've been watching those channels for over a year, and they are honest men who lived in China each for over a decade, speak the language fluently, and are married to Chinese wives. It is CCP propaganda that censors and spreads lies.

"Trudeau and other world leaders are trying not to scare the public, fearing an economic downturn. That's why MSM isn't thoroughly covering Wu Flu cases and dangers, and why I trust social media and Twitter instead. "

Or maybe the information from the msm is actually factual? If this was an ELE, an economic downturn would be the least of everyone's problems. It's much less deadly than SARS and the regular flu at this point. So relax.

Hallmark is making a new line of cards to mark the occasion. A popular one reads, “I was so sorry to hear that your entire family got wiped-out by that virus thingy.”

r10, it's not surprising at all that the number of infected jumped significantly. It's a bell curve and not a straight line. Question ia how near peaking are we.

We’re no where near the peak. Give it another week or so.

Excuse me, you don't get pneumonia with regular flu. I haven't had the flu in years and I've never had pneumonia.

Hot Doctor Mike says don't freak out.

R64 we can all sleep peacefully now.

Whew! So good to know that secondary bacterial pneumonia doesn’t exist.

R65, I agree. Hot young doctors always give the best medical advice.

R66, not everyone is poo shoes.

If you are going to wear a mask R36, you’ll want an N95 or N100. It is not perfect, but better than nothing if in an area where the Wu CV is prevalent.

I am attaching an article on protease inhibitors and Coronaviruses since my current understanding is that is how it will be treated in the States.

I agree, r62, it's just the fear mongers in this thread don't seem to understand how reproductive values work.

And the Twitter account that DL's resident Vegas troll, D@vida, has been pushing has been debunked by the The Atlantic. This is how panic starts...usually with one asshole spreading fake info for attention.

And the reason why many if the videos have been pulled from twitter is they're fake, especially the those showing people supposedly collapsing from the disease. I read the comments to one that was eventually pulled and people were translating either what was being said or writing that appeared and none had anything to do with this outbreak. a few people even noted that one of the people in tbe video was actually a drunk guy falling down and was posted to Weibo last year.

CDC : First U.S. case of human to human coronavirus transmission. In Chicago.

From CNBC breaking news.

"Excuse me, you don't get pneumonia with regular flu. I haven't had the flu in years and I've never had pneumonia."

Yes you do dummy. How do you think people get pneumonia in the majority of situations where it's viral, in the first place???

R69, also because China is cracking down, arresting dozens of social media users who spread “false information without verification.”

In a bid to make sure people don’t even try and spread such “rumors” on Chinese social media, the government announced this week that anyone who tries to "disrupt social order" by posting on social media information from sources other than state-run media, will face between three and seven years in jail.

The CDC and Prevention and Illinois public health officials confirmed Thursday the nation’s first person-to-person transmission of the coronavirus.

The new patient is the spouse of the Chicago woman who brought the infection back from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak, CDC and Illinois health officials said during a press briefing. Public health officials are also monitoring 21 patients in Illinois for possible infections.

yes but most people don't get pneumonia with regular flu. All of these people infected developed pneumonia.

No not all. Just a high percentage of those hospitalized.

[quote]All of these people infected developed pneumonia.

No.

Are all the infected people Asian?

I did, r74. And I have friends to have as well. Was it last year or the year before when people were dying of pneumonia related to the flu. It was on the news like everyday for months.

How can you tell if you are gonna develop pneumonia? pain in the chest?

Is this an Oriental only virus???

My Japanese friend told me that a few people had asked him if he was Chinese at work and elsewhere...

No you didn’t, r78. If r63 didn’t get it, you didn’t either.

And all of those seasonal flu deaths caused by pneumonia? They also didn’t happen.

R72, it's not because of China cracking down on information. These videos and accounts are being debunked by people OUTSIDE of China. The Atlantic article debunking the twitter doctor isn't China, it's doctors and scientists here saying the info doesn't make sense.

so are you guys buying masks?

I’m I’m upstate NY and my local Lowe’s and Home Depot are sold out of masks already

6 cases in USA. number will definitely go up.

Everywhere near me in MA the masks are all sold out. It’s getting harder to find them online too. Only the expensive ones are still available. People ARE freaking out no matter what the MSM says.

That's because people get their info from shady sources these days, r87. Just look at this thread and part 1...you have people pushing sketchy twitter accounts, an authenticated user pushing antacids and benadryl and people discrediting actual legit sources. MSM can say fuckall and people will still not pay attention as long as they get their info from social media.

As someone said up thread...this is how we got Trump.

WHO finally declares it Public Health Emergency via CNBC

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R90 way to make it about themselves. SMH

To possibly save lives, I'll endure more insults to link the following scientific study. Asians are at higher risk because they have more ACEZ..

Same situation with SARS affecting more Asians in Canada than Caucasians. Native Americans with some of the Asian ACEZ are therefore more at risk than Caucasians but less so than other Indo-Asian groups.

The cocktail of 3 OTC drugs I recommended originally from a FB post, Thewatchtowers" works to suppress ACEZ.

DL Scientists, A potent inhibitor for ACEZ, more prevalent in Asians. . .

Yes, r92, cause everyone should be getting medical advice from a Vegas hotel maid with delusions of grandeur.

Anyone other than Chinese have died from this?

R94, You know very well I never worked as a hotel maid, nor as a maid anywhere else.

Medical advice isn't from me but a copy and paste.

Never said NOT to go to a hospital if one suspects Wu Flu symptoms. Quite the opposite. However not everyone reading these words has quick access to an ER.

Right now there's a Chinese casino dealer in lock down at UMC in Vegas. Russia and Mongolia have closed their borders to desperate Chinese. So go ahead and believe MSM if you wish.

This virus seems promising. Now, how do we get it in to The White House?

[quote]The cocktail of 3 OTC drugs I recommended originally from a FB post, Thewatchtowers" works to suppress ACEZ.

R96, above is what you said in a previous post. The Watchtowers is a pro-Trump faith-based group that knows no more about medicine than you do.

Take your bullshit peddling elsewhere, D@vida.

R95, I don't believe the stats out of China nor the downplaying of the virus from the CDC. So we don't know whether or not any Caucasians in China have gotten severely ill or died.

Early cases of Wu Flu in China date back to very late Oct (Halloween?) and early Nov, when 8 Chinese journalists were arrested for posting the truth on social media. That's why I trust Twitter links over MSM.

It will take awhile to determine if non-Chinese around the world are dying as there's a lag period between infection and death. Hopefully superior health care and cleanliness standards in the West will prevent tragedy.

It's confusing as many schools around the US are being closed due to hundreds of the severely ill. Those who haven't been to China and are not Asian haven't been given a test for Wu Flu. NOT saying these kids are getting Wu Flu. Just that I expect to see misdiagnosis in the US and elsewhere.

R99 = mouthy Frau. STFU, Cunt!

R98, Please block my posts if you don't like what I write. I try to block yours and the other trolls and it never works. I only post from just one laptop.

DL, Please read the scientific studies I linked and decide for yourselves whether or not less than $50 of meds which can be used for later cases of severe heartburn is worth it for you. For those on other prescribed drugs the studies may help you determine what will be assist you.

Nope, r101, I'm here to remind everyone that you are DL's resident conspiracy theorist who knows shit about any of this but is stupid enough to recommend antacids and benadryl because you read it on Facebook.

At the risk of being laughed at by you big mean jerks, I feel I just have to ask the following questions in order to SAVE LIVES!

Can lizard people catch Wu Flu, or even worse, the dreaded WU CV?!?

Is Wu Flu being spread via chemtrail? If you say no, disprove it.

Aren’t Zantac and Benadryl made by Big Pharma? How can I trust them?

My sister-in-law’s neighbor used to work at PetSmart, so she knows vectors. She said Wu Flu can be cured with DoTerra essential oils. She sells DoTerra essential oils. She’s probably right, right?

To date, not a single Rothschild has contracted Wu Flu. Coincidence? Hmmmmmm.

Y’all are laughing now because we’ve become so desensitized to these outbreaks. This one is spreading like wildfire. Good luck 🍀

WHO now says it’s a Global Health Emergency. What say you? A little late?

Yes, Rose @R80, only "Orientals" can contract this virus because it only binds to rice receptors. *rolls eyes* Stop being such a dumbass and believing bullshit, like the parody sentence I just posted.

Are people currently on anti-virals or protease inhibitors - such as HIV+ - less likely to catch this, or at least survive with mild symptoms? Due to already being on strong anti-viral cocktails, in advance.

WuFru Boogaroo

[quote] R79: How can you tell if you are gonna develop pneumonia? pain in the chest?

When I had pneumonia, I didn’t have chest pain, though I had the worst, deepest cough I ever had. Plus flu symptoms - fatigue, fever, aches. Finally, I was coughing up a little blood. Sorry to repeat myself, but...

I went to the ER with a week’s old cough that was keeping me awake and flu symptoms. They sent me home without treatment. I went back in two weeks, and they admitted me for 5 days, and I needed another 30 days off work before I returned. It was pneumonia and I almost died. A few years later, I felt similarly, and when they wanted to send me home again untreated, I described the situation above and told them they had almost killed me the last time and I wasn’t leaving without treatment. In the future, if I feel like I need ER treatment, I’ll retell that story and demand treatment again.

R107 wouldn’t that be hilarious! Prep whores rejoice!

STAY AWAY FROM STRAIGHT PEOPLE!!!

The gays will continue partying at our gay bars and the straights will be dying in the streets.

I have figured out how to get a seat fast in a small crowded restaurant: have my Chinese national friend meet me there, say to him "Welcome back! How was Wuhan?" and giving him a big hug and peck on the cheek.

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Why is the US the only country not doing a TWO WEEK holding period??? Australia isn’t even letting them into the mainland. They have to go some island. God I hate this stupid country.

Ah, no, r105, in order for it to be a global emergency there needs to be more than just a handful of cases in more than just a handful of locations. So, no, r105, they still know better than you.

The very overweight, four pack a day ,older Caucasian has Wu Flu. His wife returned 17 days ago from Wuhan. She also has it. Estimates are that the man had contact with hundreds of people in 2 states because he's a supervisor at a construction co and inspects job sites. He also flew on an airplane at some point re his work responsibilities.

Chicago MSM and NHS are not being as open as social media. That's why I don't rely on them for pertinent news.

Very specific details are on a GodLikeProductions thread. I expect to get insults from posting this info but have blocked all of the trolls.

R92 so selfless! I hope you can continue to endure the slings and arrows of vicious Dataloungers up there on your cross.

Can we nail r116 to the other side of that cross, r117?

4 packs a day? I don't believe it.

R115, Please explain to me why you trust WHO when they're not even allowed into Wuhan to examine the situation and verify what the less than honest Chinese Communist Party claim to be true?

Also are you aware that there's a delay in time between someone has clear symptoms, then is admitted to a hospital, and finally gets confirmation from the CDC?

R118 plenty of room up there for the cranks.

Aww, sweetie, @r120, you want to know why I trust the WHO and CDC when you are getting your info from godlikeproductions?

Actual description of GLP...

[quote]Godlike Productions (GLP) is a website/community of conspiracy theorists and various other kinds of woo-believers. Its main feature is a forum, though it also provides image and video hosting and a podcast service. In many ways it's similar to Above Top Secret.

'Nuff said.

Woo-believers??? As in WU-believers?!!?1!

R120 Who are you working for??? Trump? The Queen? Soros? The Freemasons? Putin?

[R116] so the fat white guys who troll Asia for sex slaves are going to bring it on home.

R116 [italic]is[/italic] R92, meaning there’s room for one more, honey!

R123 believers in Wu-Tang Clan? I’m so confused.

R120 your info is incorrect. WHO is now allowed in. keep up!

R122, GodLikeProductions gets an average of 600,000 visitors daily. Sure many are "out there" attracted by the tabloid headlines created as a marketing ploy.

Doesn't mean that there aren't many medical professionals from around the world sharing their knowledge with links to a wide variety of scientific journals. Just like on DL, not all posts should be viewed equally.

R127, World Health Organization repeatedly praised China's efforts in combating the virus. No, I don't trust anything WHO says just for that reason.

Again China arrested 8 journalists who tried to spread the truth re Wu Flu through social media in the 1st week of November. AI then contributed to alerting the vigilant.

Did you know that USA, Inc is announcing bankruptcy? Will China call in their massive loans to the US? Or claim the State of CA in exchange? Yes that last statement was intended to be a joke. Just was wondering how much of CA is owned by the Chinese, and how much of NY.

R129 you are quite you really shouldn’t!

R124, I believe you. Do you know how many Chinese were kicked out of the Philippines this week? Big consumers of the sex trade.

Sure, r128, and the Queen of England posts here regularly as YourMillennialFriend.

Death Toll in China surpasses 200...via NHK world news.

^right not quite

21 people under investigation for Wu Flu in Chicago. Hope it's "just the annual winter flu" and not Wu Flu.

MSM is finally catching up as is an IL Health Official.

Social media and the Communist government of China are both terrible sources of information. Arguing which one is preferable is like arguing whether to serve alpaca poop before or after the dessert course. Just no.

R107 I would assume that is likely based upon the structure of the Coronavirus. But what we think we know can be misleading and clinical trials need to be done.

This is where I make a plea again for every one to get their flu shot. Whatever happens with the Wu CV avoiding preventable serious illness is especially important this year so resources, including tests, are properly directed.

[quote] R129: Did you know that USA, Inc is announcing bankruptcy? Will China call in their massive loans to the US?

I can’t find where I posted this the other day, so I have to conjure it up again. The Chinese cannot “call in” outstanding loans. The worse they can do is:

1. Not renew loans when they come-due. The due dates on debt instruments are staggered. This would mean their holdings of US debt would gradually shrink.

2. Sell all this debt on the secondary market. Since there would be a large supply of debt for sale at once, the value of the debt would decrease. This would mean the US would have to increase the interest we pay on new debt, so as to motivate people to buy our new debt rather than buy the old debt from China. It would cause inflation. It would mean budget cuts. The stock market would probably fall. But it wouldn’t be a total disaster.

China and Russia should both know that a bankrupt US would need less Russian gas, oil, and raw materials; and less Chinese consumer products, so a depressed US economy would mean their own economies would slow, too. If China sold all our debt at once, it would greatly reduce the value of that debt to them (what they could sell it for). And their governments would probably be in greater danger of overthrow, than the US’, in a depression. There simply isn’t any reason why China would want to wreck the US economy.

It’s the most natural thing in the world to want to get back to your own home when you are sick. Not that these people should flee home when sick, but that’s the challenge.

Remember some 5-10 years ago, when that guy had drug-resistant TB-infected lungs, and he did something sneaky to fly from the US to Europe? He got married there, and flew back, I think through Canada, because he’d been put on a watch list. They finally caught and quarantined him, and had to remove a lung to cure him. Then I don’t know what happened next. I thought he should have gone to jail, as he knowingly put so many others at risk.

Man uses diaper as mask LOL

OMG loo at this LOLOLOL!!!

R140 well if she starts coughing up blood, it will be perfect.

From:China Global Television Network, or CGTN, is a multi-language, multi-platform media grouping.

--5,806 confirmed cases

- 204 deaths

- 5,486 hospitalized

- 116 discharged from hospitals

R134, you are fucking stupid. why don't you do your own research!? are you in a cave with no wi-fi?

How to use a mask.

Some good disaster movies from the 60s or 70s were “The Omega Man” with Charlton Heston, and “The Andromeda Strain”, if you want to see how this all ends.

I bought Thieves Oil today, cheaper than making it myself. It may be only as effective as what the pharmacies and drug stores are out of, but it's also good for keeping flies away from food waste and garbage, and to relieve muscles sore from arthritis or strenuous workouts. Thieves oil is a variant of four thieves vinegar, mythologized from its reputation as effective protection against the Black Death.

!st human to human transmission of Wu Flu in the US.

MSM is finally waking up and reporting the truth.

So, this is a bit of a tangent up bear with me.

In 1983, the movie “The Day After” aired in TV. It was mostly commercial free, because it was so dreary, they couldn’t find commercial sponsors. It was during the Reagan Presidency, when there were a lot of European protests for Cold War peace. The move starts with a nuclear missile exchange between the US and the USSR. The attached clip still looks good, I might rewatch it soon.

*spoiler* What I am reminded of, is that the main characters all seem to spend most of the movie after the bombs, searching for their loved ones, and adjusting to their new reality. The sad part is, IIRC, that not one of them found their family again. Even when they all survived the blasts, they still couldn’t find them. There was also a memorable scene when a mother and her son find a battery operated record player that still had a charge, and they danced to a Beatle’s record. That was sad because it was such a treat for them, after having had no electricity for quite a while at that point.

So I’m reminded of that vivid depiction of the breakdown of American society when I read about the worst case resultant from this disease. At least it’s not a man-made debacle.

R147, that's old news! we've known this since this morning!

Anyone else following this guy's vlog from inside Wuhan? He first did an interview on UK tv a week ago and he has been posting daily updates since.

For the past few months my workplace has been like a hospital ward. The constant coughing and sneezing is disgusting. If the CDC dropped by, I estimate 75% of the staff would be quarantined. Americans will not call out sick no matter what. If the the WU FLU gains traction here, kiss your asses goodbye.

Oh, another good disaster movie is the more recent “The Road”. In it, the disaster seems to be both due to a nuclear missile exchange, and a massive blight that kills plants and other animals but not humans. It’s left vague, and the movie depicts non-scientists, so there is nobody to technically explain to the audience what the cause was, and it doesn’t matter, as all you need to know is that the characters are living with the consequences.

Coronavirus Is Scary! CDC Budget Cuts Make It Scarier | Full Frontal on TBS

R151, normally I don’t blame people for passing along a disease, because that happens, but my boss spent weeks leaning over me looking at my computer while he coughed all over me, before I finally caught it from him, and almost died. [italic] Then, [/italic] that fucker had the nerve to cite my absences due to illness in my yearly review, as a demerit! That fucker. I still hate him.

R154 that’s awful. Luckily I have a job that requires virtually no human interaction and I can just hide in my cube from the viral plague. In my home country, these sick people would be encouraged to stay home. Most of us can work from home anyways. Why come into work? Insane!!!

Does anyone know the rationale at work in the US's much shorter quarantine/observation period than the rest of the countries with infected citizens? WTF?

WuFlu

WTC7

DL Scientists, your analysis please.

Originally from thread on GLP, link to Romanian scientists working on a cure. Yes the article's in English.

The caption of R50’s image is praising his intellect 😂

DL Scientists, Another link to Romanian scientists working on a cure. Claim there are differences in how those of various racial groups react.

I watched “ The Day After” recently for the first time. I don’t recall a Beatles/dancing scene. I liked how depressing it was - there was no rah-rah happy ending or escape for anyone.

I was going to watch The Andromeda Strain on Amazon Prime, but the trailer looks DREADFUL

R156 I’m also surprised and disgusted that the US is being so lax about this. There’s talk of another plane being sent. Two weeks is not that long and quite frankly it’s alarming that these possible carriers are being allowed to leave so soon. Don’t get me started on the news that one of them tried to escape. Wtf? We spend trillions on a military but this is allowed to happen? Fuck no.

R158, why do you keep asking when you’re only going to discount the opinions of people who know how to read and analyze the papers you post?

Just carry on with your uneducated guesses, Twitter videos, inaccurate translations, and conspiracy theories. It’s what you do best.

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R163 The lack of safeguards around potential carriers/infected is dumbfounding. I'd have thought that Rumps people would be using this like Bush did with the daily terror ratings of 2001-02. Its negligent, and based off of the incubation period which is known, its criminal wreckless negligence!

The andromeda strain is still good. My only negative critique is that movies from that era weren’t as sophisticated as they are today, so it has one substantial twist at the end, whereas today, a good movie may have multiple twists (e.g., “Atomic Blonde” had two or three twists). Also, the book on which that movie was based was written before the first moon landing, so it uses old technology.

R156, I'd imagine it has to do with the lawsuits that Ebola nurse brought against the government and won when she was forced into a quarantine situation.

R166, I’ll bet there is much debate about whether it’s physically safe, and politically save, to bring people from the hot zone back home where the virus hasn’t taken hold just yet. There are merits to both alternatives.

R169 Thanks for the info, I'm unfamiliar with that case/nurse. Its hard to take our justice system seriously at times.

Yeah, when you consider that in quarantine, you’ll be mixing with your fellow airline passengers. If just one on the plane has it, quarantine might doom you all!

I couldn’t find “The Day After” to rent, so I’m streaming “The Road”.

R164, Obviously you're not a trained scientist so why are you responding? Others have asked for the info. These are not from Twitter but a re-post from GLP, and originally from technical medical journals. Summary:

This is an individualized population vaccine. That is, we have taken the immune characteristics of the Caucasian population in Romania, which is found throughout Europe and North America, broadly.

Taking into account the immune characteristics, the immune response to various antigenic stimuli, in this case to the coronavirus, and using published data (the genomic structure of the coronavirus), we proposed a series of peptides, reaches, small proteins, a mixture to cover, in practice, the entire population of Romania ", explained Prof. Dr. Virgil Păunescu, head of the OncoGen Research Institute in Timisoara.

I can tell you that my friend who works in Bloomberg told me that employees coming back from China are being told to stay home for 2 weeks.

R174 “Threads” is another nuclear holocaust movie, produced for the BBC, made at same time as Day After. It’s currently on Amazon Prime

The Road is about a meteor strike and the nuclear winter that follows.

"Contagion" is the movie I'm told is most like this virus progression.

Oncologists don’t know how to read medical journals now. Cool.

I watched Contagion last night...holds up extremely well after 8 years. Soderburgh is a genius. Matt Damon can't act worth shit. Seeing Goop's head sawed off is the best part.

R172 I can understand that from the detainees point of view but it's a bit selfish. At the current scale keeping individuals in confinement for the sake of observation is feasible. Two weeks, unless sick, which is nothing compared to how long month from now that may not be true still, but the government has the resources to isolate, use prophylactic medication, use oxygen tents, tyvek, etc. They're also able and equipped financially for provide protective gear to those in quarantine.

The US Government under Dump would love nothing more than for CA to become an epidemic zone. Why only 72 hours? Hmmm

Thanks, R177. Is that something I missed in the movie, or is it only in the book?

Taiwanese doctor discusses Wu Flu cases in Taiwan and the number of cases expected in coming months. Will die down in the heat of summer.

R19, since it seems none of the other DL scientists have weighed in, I will. However, let me start by saying, I am a geneticist, and not even a microbiologist, and certainly not a bio-informaticist, which is what we need to explain in layman's terms, the genomic analysis you linked. But I can give you some basic take home messages.

A little Coronavirus primer: The entire genome is about 250,000 nucleotides long. I did make a mistake in the last DL thread, in that I thought this was like most retroviruses, which have to be reverse-transcribed to replicate in the host cell. This virus has a poly A tail and a 5'methylated cap, allowing it to be immediately translated into protein in the host cell, using the host cell’s ribosomes (protein mmanufacturing machinery). The genome encodes a specific replicase that allows it to replicate its RNA strand for assembly with the new proteins into new virions. The genome encodes 8 proteins: 5 are structural and make the envelope and the spike components we have all seen. Then there is the RNA replicase, and there is a proof-reading protein and finally a protease. The RNA strand is translated as one long polypeptide and the protease chops it into individual proteins. So the RNA molecules, and the 5 structural proteins all assemble into new viral particls and head on out to infect more cells and start over again. The thing scientists are looking at in trying to figure out the historical and geographical path of infection, is the rate of mutation in that 250,000 nucleotides.

So the paper: the paper is not what I would call rigorous in its explanations or data presentations. For example, in figure 1. it presents the big piece of data, namely a comparison of the complete genomic sequences of 44 genomes (that can now be accessed on a number of public platforms.). I assume that these are the genomes of isolates obtained from 44 patients they have definitively diagnosed as carrying the coronavirus ---- but it does not come right out and say that anywhere. So it tells us there were 18 from Hubei Province China, 14 from Guangdong Province in China, 5 from the USA, 2 from Zhejiang Province China, 2 from Thailand, 2 from France and 1 from Taiwan. The international cases are all people who are known to have been to Wuhan recently. Now the cases appear to be color coded by country of origin in the phylogenetic tree they present in figure 1, but there is no color code figure legend anywhere. However, since there are 18 blue dots, I am assuming those represent the Hubei Province China cases. There are 16 yellow dots, so I am guessing those correspond to the Guangdong Province cases (of which there are only supposed to be 14, so I could be very wrong in this assumption). There is no cluster of dots that are five of the same color, so I do not know where the US group fits in there. There are groups of two dots of green, orange, red, gray dots (so one extra 2-dot cluster) and there are several singlets (pink, purple, light blue and brown)……...

The point of this is that they are trying to define a common ancestral sequence and then look at divergence from that sequence as an indication of 1. how mutable the virus is (i.e, how fast do base changes occur, just spontaneously) 2. how much mutating it has been doing lately in these patients (i.e., how long has it been around) and are there clusters of specific variants in particular times or places that provide clues as to how it is spreading and how it is changing as it spreads. In the right half of figure 1, we see that analysis. They plotted time on the -axis in DAYS (which is pretty amazing for this kind of analysis. As a geneticist, I am typically looking at this kind of analysis over millions of years in evolutionary studies). And then the rate of change of nucleotide sequence on the y-axis.

part II of response: They make conclusions that I cannot really attribute to these figures, namely: "We can conclude therefore, based on available genome sequence data that the current epidemic has been driven entirely by human to human transmission at least since December. Although this virus may still exist in one or more non-human animal species this will not be of major consequence until the current human epidemic is brought under control." What they are saying is, it does not look like snakes or wolves or any other non-human hosts were involved in this.

Really, I would be willing to bet that close to 100% of the science world knew, as soon as it was reported that there was a BSL-4 lab in Wuhan and that it worked on coronaviruses, that this was negligence in proper procedure from that lab. They have had a hell of a time getting certified anyway, and got nailed by international inspectors for sloppiness and improper handling of reagents. All it takes is one contaminated tissue being discarded in non-biohazard trash, or in this case, just having it somewhere on your hands...… and boom. You start an epidemic. I could see myself making EXACTLY this kind of mistake. So no judgments here.

But that the WHO is giving them such a pass is fishy. I remain convinced this was not just run of the mill coronavirus research. If they were using CRISPR to change that reference sequence in some way, this becomes the long-dreaded referendum on CRISPR Gene editing we knew was inevitable. We were warned that editing genomes could be dangerous; what if these proteins have been changed in a way that makes them more virulent, or more stealthy in relation to detection by the immune system (e.g., like kids do not appear to mount an immune response), or able to cross the blood brain barrier (accounting for the unusual encephalitis). I think this paper would have been way more powerful and would have addressed a way more controversial set of issues, if they had done a comparison of these new genomic sequences to the original sequences from several years ago.

Sorry to have gone on and on.

Interesting, R186. How scared should we be?

R173 I watched The Day After by searching on ok dot ru - they have tons of stuff

R185, R186, Sincere thanks for your analysis. This is why I continue to post links on DL requesting scientific based opinions.

So was it meant to be a bio weapon, and it got loose? If so, what were they going to do with it and how could they use it as a bio weapon if it was just going to do this anyway? It seems wildly contagious.

I remember during the avian flu, I read a lot of info about it at the time, and they said the one thing Chinese scientists had always feared was a severe avian flu like H5N1 that was airborne. Most avian flu is harder to catch than Corona virus.

This Corona virus seems incredibly easy to catch and has a long period where people are contagious but not showing any symptoms. The other thing I’ve noticed in recent reports is that stories about doctors in hospitals in Wuhan are calling treating Corona patients “a suicide mission,” which makes me wonder, what’s their protocol there for contagious patients, and why do they assume they’ll die if they catch it? We’re being told only something like 20% become seriously ill. The rest seem to very slowly recover. So why is this being portrayed as, if you treat patients you’re going to catch it, and, if you catch it you’ll die. They were showing crying wives saying goodbye to their doctor husbands, on the way to treat Corona patients, thinking it was inevitable the husbands would die.

The biggest issues are running out of supplies and reusing contaminated supplies, or being so tired they drop their guard and do something careless. I saw a photo of doctors sleeping on the bare floor wearing hazmat clothing and face shields. They were getting 2-3 hours sleep a day. That’s tired enough to make a mistake, and with insufficient changes, a suit probably isn’t worth much. They must have been lying in virus tracked in on the floor. I doubt they’re keeping up their cleaning protocol. They’ve said doctors are wearing diapers to avoid opening their suits, because there’s no replacements.

I can’t imagine how bad the sanitation must be, but why such a high death rate?

R187, How scared should we be? I don't know. None of us knows. Which is not to say we should be panicking.

I think the problem is that we only know a tiny little fraction of the whole truth. It could be just a cold virus. Or it could have all kinds of hidden little bombs we aren't yet aware of. If it came out of a lab as an edited virus, then we just need to figure out what those changes might do.

I don't trust the Chinese government or the WHO.

R185-6.

R190 and you believe these stories

***BREAKING*** CNBC: State Department issues 'do not travel' advisory for China, asks those in the country to consider leaving

Developing...

China is a big country to issue a blanket recommendation not to travel there! This really is a big deal!

They arrested 8 doctors not journalists. One of the eight doctors is still in ICU.

I didn't say they were weaponizing this virus. I did think that at one point, but honestly, I cannot put my mind in the heads of government types.

I suspect they may have been working on editing the coronavirus for some reason. Could have been a totally innocuous reason. Part of a larger project to cure the common cold? Who knows? But it is almost certain that that lab was the source of this contamination. What they were doing with it would only be guesswork at this point.

I was nervous about posting that long response regarding the paper. Thanks for not going negative!

R185,6.

R190, the death rate is less than SARS.

R195, Thank you for your correction. Weren't the 8 doctors arrested for making honest statements on social media? Do you know the dates of the arrests?

Do you know the fate of the doctors? Prison can be a death sentence in China.

R196, and now I call absolute bullshit on you. If you knew anything about a coronavirus and if you were really a geneticist then you would know that absolutely no gene editing needs to take place to make a coronavirus virulent and / or deadly.

Thanks for playing...bye.

Legitimate news reports about about the plane full of infected people in Toronto will be along any minute now, won’t they?

I can wait.

R196 As an expert, what are you watching for? Rate of transmission? Severity of illness? What might be reassuring signs?

ok, well there it is.

I never said coronavirus was not on its own dangerous.

R196.

Over 2 weeks required for those few in Wuhan getting tested for Wu Flu.

Explanation of medical procedures the patients lucky enough to be seen endure.

Same story is carried by various online media sites so if you hit a paywall please try anther online news source.

R199, Can you please comment on any of the scientific articles I linked?

R201. I told you all, I am not expert on this. I work on neurodegenerative diseases. But I know how to read a paper.

As I said, the problem here is we are not being given the full picture. So I don't know what to believe or what a reliable indicator of progress would be.

There is an Australian group that reported they are generating high titres of virus from cell free preps, i.e., in vitro. This would be an important step towards making a vaccine. So there is that.

R202, there are two biotechs that developed a smallpox antiviral. I worked for one of them. Don't try to bullshit me.

[quote]As I said, the problem here is we are not being given the full picture. So I don't know what to believe or what a reliable indicator of progress would be.

And r205 continues to lie.

OK, well, I'll g back to lurking now. The small pox virologist and the other guy can take over from here.

More scientific data re-copied from GLP.

Thought as much, r209.

R208, PLEASE do not stop posting. Notice others are not posting their analysis for DL non-scientists.

Dr Cattan of Australia has already completed a start to finish scientific profile of Wu Flu virus. Will post a link as soon as I get it from GodLikeProductions.

Pilot's Union sues American Airlines demanding an immediate stop to all flights to China. Linked is MSM source.

R211, that's because most of what you are posting IS analysis, dipshit. Read your own links, D@vida.

Oh great, more from GLP -- the conspiracy theory website. Yea!

Crap. I just found out the hotel we’re staying in next week in Montreal is near their Chinatown. In fact, just two blocks from the “Montreal Chinese Hospital.”

Should I be worried?

They just got their wish. Story from CNN:

State Department elevates China travel advisory to 'Do Not Travel' due to coronavirus

CNN) - The State Department announced a highest-level warning on Thursday not to travel to China due to the recent coronavirus outbreak.

“Do not travel to China due to novel coronavirus first identified in Wuhan, China," the Level 4 alert states, noting that the World Health Organization declared the coronavirus a public health emergency of international concern earlier that day.

Travelers should be prepared for travel restrictions to be put into effect with little or no advance notice. Commercial carriers have reduced or suspended routes to and from China," the alert notes stated. "Those currently in China should consider departing using commercial means."

The number of cases of the virus, which has killed at least 213 people, shot up to more than 8,100 in mainland China alone by Thursday evening. While the virus originated in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December, there are now more than 100 cases in 20 other countries and territories spanning Asia, North America, Europe and the Middle East. India and the Philippines were the latest countries to confirm the virus had reached their shores.

R214, My request is for simplification in layman's terms as not all of DL posters are scientists, "dipshit." GLP is my source for re-postings from SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS all over the world so they deserve credit.

Another link from GodLikeProductions to MSM. Airline Workers Union in Australia threatening to walk off the job if flights from China don't stop.

This CNN story was just released

Chinese authorities reported more than 40 deaths Thursday, all of them in Hubei, the province at the center of the outbreak of which Wuhan is the capital, bringing the total death toll to 213, with almost 10,000 cases confirmed worldwide.

As of Thursday night, there were more than 9,600 coronavirus cases confirmed in China, authorities said, an increase of almost 2,000 from the previous day. That surpasses the 2003 severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) outbreak that began in southern China, which infected 8,098 people worldwide, killing 774.

This chart that showed 50million infected and 1million dead by 2-21 is spot on with numbers currently.

Well, I am no scientist, but I do live in the US and have health insurance, and this I do know. Our system medical sytem teeters on collapse on any given day. Many people have no health insurance so they go to the emergency room. A month ago I was in the emergency room for a kidney stone and the ER was like from an insane asylum. I sat in a chair for seven hours, had one shot of tramadol and they did a blood test. I passed the stone there after three hours. Bill? Five thousand.

We have a system waiting for the slightest push to knock it over. Hospitals are understaffed on most normal days. Doctors are impossible to see unless you wait a couple of weeks. All it is going to take is a pulse of many cases in a large metropolitan area and then we are off to the races. ER's will be swamped, the CDC will be swamped, and supplies will start to run low. I have absolutely no faith in our Federal government, especially after Orange Fucker fired the staff that took care of this and the department heads.

If you trust the government to tell the truth, you are living in a fool's paradise. Why do you think we are still accepting flights from China? We CAN'T let China look bad even if it means us being idiotic and not taking the precautions that we should of a couple of weeks ago. Yes, I know, I am a chicken little. But look at the history of how we got here, and do you expect that the people calling the shoots suddenly got smarter?

I don't think so. So I only know what I observe from a society and government that is, pardon the pun, bat shit crazy.

Ditto the thanks to r185/r186. Please keep contributing. We can use all the information we can get from those that have a scientific or semi-scientific background. If someone else want to dispute a point, do so clearly and with reasons for doing so. Quit the vague ad hominem attacks.

Let readers here decide what to believe.

The old saying is that the Chinese character used for “crisis” is the same character used for “opportunity”. It doesn’t happen to be true, but it’s a good story. It reminds me that this appears to me that it will rock the stock market. Specifically, Boeing and airline stocks should drop tomorrow.

[quote]We have a system waiting for the slightest push to knock it over.

Very good points r220. Its unfortunate, but I think this is a good time for the US healthcare bubble to bust. We have been at the brink for so long. This virus may take a lot of lives, but in the long run a crisis would force the US government to come up with a better solution for how the system works.

Anyone know the proper way to utilize Thieves Oil for this?

R218, I previously linked a YouTube video of a doctor who said a week ago that 90,000 people had already died in China. Shills claimed she meant 90,000 had seen a doctor.

However a native Chinese speaker and specialist in ancient languages and Wuhan dialect just confirmed the correct translation is 90,000 deaths.

Remember Mao killed more than 1,000,000 Chinese signaling out the intellectuals and educated to be hunted down and murdered 1st.

Thank you R221 and others. I am lurking. I can tell the naysayers are itching for a pissing contest. They have something to prove, a contest to win.

I AM a geneticist. I used to be a professor, but am now a consultant and work (in a way) for the government. I have no problem conceding my mistakes and owning them. But I do not appreciate being called a liar and will therefore venture in only when I have something to offer. Meanwhile, lurking is interesting too. And as to the learned scholars working for companies making small pox vaccines.... seems I have a few grant applications to review. Careful who you piss off my friend. Science is a small world.

DL is always full of those trying to one-up everyone else. Even if the world were ending, they'd be at it here. The trick is to keep on posting, blocking out the negative attacks and interacting with the positive. It's a free-for-all here, open posting which is great but leaves space for the side tracking. Keep on keeping on.

Aw, the only post r221 co tribured to this thread is r221.

Piss away, r226. Piss away.

[quote]And as to the learned scholars working for companies making small pox vaccines.... seems I have a few grant applications to review. Careful who you piss off my friend. Science is a small world.

r226, don't be a dick. You would really turn down grant money requests that could fund research to help us all because you felt slighted by a comment on DL? Grow the fuck up.

It's not a contributing contest r228. Clue in. Anyone can post to add what they'd like. Others can read or skip as they wish.

R226, That's great you have a career and work for the government. I think it's wonderful that you have a career that helps millions. But the point is that maybe we are in a new place now with this. Maybe things would be different if China was more transparent, and our government more honest and forthcoming. The US government on a whole does not have a track record of being honest with it's own citizens. Also the fact that we have a barely functioning healthcare system should not surprise anyone.

[quote]You would really turn down grant money requests that could fund research to help us all because you felt slighted by a comment on DL? Grow the fuck up.

He'd threaten to do so to get other posters to get their shit together and shut the fuck up. Take a hint.

SHUT UP, CUNTS! WE’LL ALL be eaten by maggots soon enough.

Yes, r230 and a lot of what's been posted is conspiracy theory nonsense that is helpful to no one.

Such an educational global crisis, brushing up on microbiology and learning so much. I love an opportunity to learn!

Believe me R231, I am not a fan of our government. And I agree with everything you said regarding our healthcare system.

I said I worked only indirectly for the government.

And R229, if you are an incredibly sophisticated scientist, who works for a small pox vaccine company (!!!) and all, and conferring "dipshit" status so easily, it ought to be no surprise to you that study sections are FILLED with personal gripes and attacks that have nothing to do with the science and everything to do with competitiveness, perceived slights, pissing contests. I once saw a PI ding a grant in a study section because he was short and the author of the grant was tall and good-looking. I am not saying I would ever be so petty. But YOU should be aware that there are many who are. As you yourself so brilliantly demonstrate.

That is why "dipshit" comments, shouts of "liar!" and general meanness are best kept to yourself.

Yup, r236, I use bad language. Get over it. You still lied.

What don't you clearly articulate what he lied about, r237, so we can figure it out for ourselves? Add to the conversation, which so far has been informational.

About what R237?

Were all about to die and all you bitches can do is be petty. Typical!

R240, don't panic. We're not all about to die.

Really instead of declaring credentials, stomping indignantly calling out liar-liar, why not present the 'actual' layman synopses various critics?

To the geneticist, thank you for taking the time to explain.

That's easy, r238, and ai already called it out.

[quote]But it is almost certain that that lab was the source of this contamination. What they were doing with it would only be guesswork at this point. I was nervous about posting that long response regarding the paper. Thanks for not going negative!

There is zero evidence that this is true given what is known. Nobody is thinking this. This is conspiracy level bullshit.

THAT is your complaint? You think this is conspiracy theory bullshit?

Yeah, ok. Go away now, little boy. You are a child.

Yup, your "geneticist" is bullshit, r244. It's completely false and irresponsible. But, I guess it doesn't fit your narrative, but please let's continue to have more posts here showing people fainting and blaming it on the virus. That's what this thread needs more people with bullshit.

R245, you are exposed. Rant and rave, it makes no difference.

LMFAO, r246. Nice try.

From CNN international: The total number of Wuhan coronavirus cases has risen to 9,692, China's National Health Commission has announced -- a jump of 1,982 from the previous day.

People have mentioned HIV meds. I wonder if PrEp might offer protection? It's a steady stream of anti-viral. Wouldn't that just be an awesome twist for all the anti-prEp loons. R226, any thoughts?

Wu Flu attacks the central nervous system. Linked is Science Daily, a re-post from GLP.

Next post will expand on it.

Real Hong Kong News @RealHKNews Claw crane (offering pastel-coloured #facemasks instead of stuffed animals or toys) spotted by a netizen.

Hey shills who yelled fake, re my previously linked videos of people with uncontrollable full body shakes, or suddenly falling face first dead.

For the first time, researchers have found proof of a direct association between strain OC 43 of the human coronavirus (HCoV) and neurological disease in humans.

This breakthrough was made by British and Quebec researchers, including Professor Pierre Talbot of the INRS-Institut Armand-Frappier Centre, who was the first not only to demonstrate the virus's ability to invade the human central nervous system, but also to suggest the neuropathological effects of this virus responsible for approximately 20% of common colds and more severe respiratory conditions in certain vulnerable individuals.

The discovery was recently featured in the New England Journal of Medicine.

"Bio weapon that gives you flu like symptoms but then it attacks your neurological system. It's like it shuts your brain off." (GLP comment.)R

R246 my post was asking for you to explain how/why the provided explanation isn't correct. Which you have this far made zero attempts to do while trolling anyone else asking for you to 'correct' the other explanations inaccuracies.

You also come off as unnecessarily paranoid and defensive. What narrative are you referring to? The fact that people want to understand something and have taken seriously the ONLY attempt at an explanation?

Not many people recovered...the future is bleak...

You know how else I knew you were a fraud, r253? Cause, you wrote this...

[quote]How scared should we be? I don't know. None of us knows. Which is not to say we should be panicking.

This should have been an easy answer, especially for a geneticist.

R220 Its not just the US health care system that barely functions. It a worldwide issue across all countries. If this flu takes a turn for the worse the best thing to do is probably stay home for all long as people can.

R250, what bearing does a paper published in 2016 on OC43 HCoV have on 2019-nCoV? Let me guess, there’s a single strain of HCoV and her name is Wu Flu?

Please explain. I’m on tenterhooks waiting to hear how this whole thing works.

R254: the estimates are that as many as 95% of the people who contract the coronavirus never develop symptoms severe enough to seek medical attention. So the overwhelming majority DO recover and never develop acute illness. Remain calm.

R186

Damn, those are some harsh allegations.

God help is all...

R257: Not sure either. Talbot's hypothesis is that all viruses can enter the brain easily via the olfactory epithelium. He thinks this may have something to do with age-related neurodegeneration. He hasn't published all that much, but there is another group that seems to agree with his model. Am reading his 2019 review. Will report back.

Early on (like about 2 weeks ago), people were claiming that the way Coronavirus patients were keeling over was similar to the way that encephalitis patients collapsed, without defensive postures like outstretched arms to brace their falls. This is under review by Snopes, because the video of these patients falling is so limited (like 2 people I think, and the rest of the reports are anecdotal). So I suspect Talbot's model is getting some attention for this reason.

R197

WuFlu has now exceeded SARS, spectacularly.

I lived in China for a few years and have traveled there frequently for work for the last several years. In all, I've known hundreds of Chinese people. In my experience, they are thoroughly indoctrinated to fear and obey the state. They're generally naive and are prone to believing their government's propaganda, even in the midst of widespread ineptitude and blunder. The text quoted below is an excellent example of how the Chinese government operates. If they're lying about the construction of an emergency hospital, they are surely lying about the real statistics of this outbreak and their knowledge of the coronavirus itself.

[quote]In a bid to counteract any negative commentary about the government’s response to the outbreak, state-backed media outlets have been producing gushing reports about Beijing’s efforts to address the crisis.

[quote]These include numerous videos of the new hospital being built in Wuhan, all set to stirring background music.

[quote]These efforts also include sharing fake images of the new hospital.

[quote]The images, which actually show a modular apartment building more than 600 miles away in Qingdao, were posted by the verified Twitter accounts of the Global Times and the People’s Daily, both state-run publications, in an apparent bid to show the hospital construction as more advanced than it really was.

Sorry for the Vice link.

R252, if you go back years, there have been some bad flus out of China that have had symptoms like this before. It’s not unheard of.

The difference is that this one is really contagious and spreads really easily. So although the mortality rate may not be as high as some other flu (which is impossible to know right now, because of poor documentation coming out of China), if many more people get it, many more people are likely to become very sick or die.

Right now it looks like this thing is spreading like wildfire. Even 5% of a couple million cases is a lot worse than 10% of 8,000 total. And it may come to that.

It really does look like a bio weapon, in that it is so specific in its destructiveness. Flus can have a lot of different bad symptoms. A lot of times the bad side effects are interactions with pre-existing conditions. There is nothing about dropping over dead suddenly that’s a result of a pre-existing condition, especially if it’s young people.

FYI, it’s very common with bad flus generally for women to miscarry. With bird flu, there was an extremely high rate of miscarriage. It has to do with the body’s immune system throwing the baby out with the flu water, basically. While the immune system is getting rid of the threat to survival, it sees the fetus as another threat to survival and gets rid of it too.

If you know pregnant women, it would be good to encourage them to exercise extreme caution when going out. Wash hands, carry disinfectant. Wear a mask if it comes to that later. Maybe wear one to the doctor’s office if it spreads your way.

R257, I'm linking anything that might be relevant. Since I never took physical science classes I'm only making a quick scan of the material. My next link will be even older.

"You could release a biio-weapon to kill many if your chosen elite had the knowledge of how the bioweapon researchers have the CCR5-DELTA 32 gene, making their group immune unlike the public. Especially if you could share your immunity without telling the secret to select people who haven;t inherited it." (See link next post.)

R262, I saw a Chinese video earlier today that I didn’t post. It was Chinese doctors operating on a woman with Corona virus and giving her an emergency C-section. The woman was heavily draped and pretty much invisible. A commenter pointed out that the “delivered” baby shown in the video was completely clean, washed and bloodless, as it was supposedly removed from the woman.

I wondered what the point of that was.

Link to previous post explaining why 10% of those with certain European heritage never got HIV. It's relevant although the article is several years old because Wu Flu is supposedly similar to an air born AIDS virus.

Come on Ms. Geneticist.answer the question...

R260, I've seen several different videos of the infected falling. Some were relatively young too.

GodLikeProductions' poster said the video looked like what happened to him when he suddenly had a blood clot in his head. Co-workers had to show him their cell phone videos as he didn't believe it. Luckily he got immediate medical attention and recovered.

Still think CCP is way, way understating the number of dead and afflicted. Too many reports of covered trucks carting away dead bodies in the middle of the night to be burned in open pits in a remote location. Relatives never allowed to see their deceased loved ones. No funerals allowed either.

Linked is a video from MSM with Chinese' new official numbers.

Think about this.

The only thing known for sure about the initial cases of this virus is that they occurred in Wuhan. The Chinese government said this was related to a food market that sells wild game and that there were snakes, or bats, or wolves that were infected with corona virus and passed it to human populations via that market. The specifics of how that conclusion was reached have not been made public. The local wildlife was not noted as suddenly appearing to be dying off in large numbers.

On the other hand, some would say coincidentally, there is a BSL-4 lab in the same city and it researches coronavirus. BSL-4 labs are not common. There are between 50 and 60 in the entire world. There are between 4 and 7 in China. There is no other BSL-4 lab in China that studies coronavirus (at least as far as has been publicized). There is no other legitimate source of coronavirus in China (legitimate because there are unsubstantiated rumors that China stole the coronavirus from Canadian researchers.). So in a country the size of China, the one BSL-4 lab that studies coronavirus happens to be less than 10 miles from where bats and snakes putatively infected human populations by a completely independent pathway. Just to be clear, if coronavirus made it out to the wild by air, or water from the lab, that should also be distinguishable from the other possibilities: the rate of mutation would distinguish that possibility based on how many mutations were detected in comparison to reference strains in the lab freezers. The paper R19 posted made special mention of saying that their observations did not support non-human transfer of virus. There might be coronavirus infected animals, but for the purposes at hand --- that was not relevant. The patients sequenced thus far were infected by human exposure.

Today, the WHO revealed that of the 44 confirmed cases they were reporting as confirmed cases in the Wuhan area, only 2/3 could be traced, even peripherally, to any contact (even remote) with the animal market.

The belief that the Wuhan lab screwed up somehow and released contaminated material, by air, or water, or bioharazardous solid waste, is just simply the most parsimonious explanation. Not harsh. Not judgmental. But realistic. It cannot be proven with the data we have so far. But it CAN be proven eventually. (To be honest, I suspect the authorities have already got this data.) Remember that this virus has a mutation rate that is detectable in only days. If the sequence of the coronavirus genome in the lab strain matches the Chinese variant observed in the patients sequenced thus far, and IF there are no coronavirus variants found in the wet market, or in local wildlife, the conclusion is clear. Occam's razor. I pointed out that if the researchers in R19 had published the old reference genome as the standard for comparison, they would have been able to address a whole series of different questions.

Nothing is set in stone. Yet. Sooner or later, that data will be available to determine the truth. And the only reason this is a question at all is that the government does not want the burden of responsibility for human error.

R267, forgive if I don't just throw crap at the screen and become belligerently aggressive in demanding a fight to the death defending it. You can rest assured that if a question has been addressed to me, and if it is something I can discuss clearly, I will, though not necessarily immediately.

By the same token, if you can come up with a MORE parsimonious explanation for the observations I noted in R270, I would appreciate your insights.

From GLP, Askenazi Jews are high in this HIV resistant gene CCR5-delta 32 gene.

Several Cherokee groups also have it. (Some claim there's evidence certain Native American tribes could be related to Jews.) 23AndMe no longer names Askenzai and Native American heritage in their analysis. US Military advised recruits not to use any of the gene identifying companies.

You can use live cell analysis and watch the cells not being able to attach once dosed, if you don't know if priming person has the gene or not. The test is available online.

Those doctors getting killed the past few years all went to a certain live cell analysis workshop and this knowledge was shared. The doctor who improvised to see if giving the autistic children injections once a week with vitamin D and this CCR5-delta32 gene product was killed. It worked dramatically blocking nagalase secreters.

"Severe infection by 2019-nCov could result in acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and sepsis, causing death in approximately 15% of infected individuals"

The cytokine storm from the sepsis explains the fainting. The blood pressure radically collapses. My dad survived sepsis, and his blood pressure was 55/40 when it peaked. Luckily he already had an IV by that point.

Please read the entire linked Twitter page which quotes multiple medical journals.

Question, Why would individuals from the same household have be so different? Disease mutating that quickly or does it immediately adapt to the host?

r256 this is gonna test the US system as a whole. And the F rating will show spectacularly. Good thing it's an election year, but after this everyone will be beginning for some progressive legislation.

Airlines that have either completely or mostly suspended flights to mainland China:

British Airways United Airlines American Airlines Lufthansa Air Canada Air India KLM Swiss Air Asia Finnair Cathay Pacific El Al Lion Air EgyptAir Turkish Airlines Kenya Airways

Countries that have unilaterally banned all flights to and from China, regardless of the airline: Israel Italy Pakistan

Expect restrictions to other countries next week as certain airlines and countries become very pro-active for safety.

We did the math last night.

Bleach, check

Alcohol, check

Canned goods, check

Pet food, check

Vinegar, check

masks, check

goggles, check

gloves, check

rice, potatoes, quinoa, check

I'm thinking 12 Monkeys

good luck all.

R276, Been overbuying on special sales. Could shelter in place without leaving my gated community for about a year. A couple months without power too.

Guardian reports passersby in China don't react when seeing another dead body on the street. It's become a common sight. Picture shows everything.

What does that tell you about the CCP lack of honesty in revealing the true death rate?

What

Most of the ten recommended steps I could do. I'm getting more thieves oil and balm, wipes, and maybe some more disposable gloves -- someone in our family works at a kitchen.

R278 paywall, copy & paste please

R276, if you’re going to do a long term prep, here’s some suggestions: “Thanksgiving food.” That means canned yams and cranberry sauce, both have vitamin C, very important. Green beans are always good. Dehydrated mashed potatoes are easy to store and cook.

Sun Vista makes canned no-salt black beans and pinto beans and you can get them a lot of places. They’re easy to cook. Grits and pasta are also good. Grits (and grains in general) should be frozen in a zip lock bag for at least three days to kill bug eggs. Then they can be removed and put in a canning jar for long term storage. Oatmeal and other instant hot cereals like cream of wheat have iron and they’re very dense for storage. Freeze those too. Don’t store grains in the original packaging or you could end up with meal bugs. Glass jars, or re-package in zip lock bags and put them in something like a Vittle Vault (pet food store, dry food storage with a spinner (screw on) lid. Or buy five gallon food grade pails. You can get them at Winco fairly cheaply with spinner lids. The ones at Home Depot are not food grade. Any plastic pet food storage container is food grade.

I really recommend Winco if there’s one nearby, they carry prepper supplies like plastic containers with lids, five gallon and two gallon.

Buy lots of water. If you have space, a lot of times stores like Sportsman’s Warehouse have water storage containers in various sizes. If you don’t have much room, Walmart has plastic water storage containers out of heavy plastic. In the camping department usually.

I invested in glass canning jars, which you can buy in a pack at Walmart in different sizes. They’re heavy glass and uniform sizes. Don’t try to re-use jelly jars for long term storage, they’re very thin glass and can crack. Storage in clear glass jars should be kept in the dark, since bright light destroys the vitamins. Walmart also carries brown glass canning jars in smaller sizes, brown glass is better for food storage.

Check out Sams Club and Costco for spices, they’re much cheaper. Better than Bullion is good for cooking too. If you’re going to do scratch cooking, get salt and oil.

Be sure and get OTC meds like Imodium, flu meds, cough drops, neosporin and bandaids, decongestant, and make sure you have aspirin and Tylenol at least. Painkillers are like gold if you’re sick. So is Kleenex.

r279 just use Reader View.

DL Scientists, Binary virus conjectures 1/26/20

DL non-scientists, relevant comments from GLP.

The problem people don'tt get is

1) corona viruses are present in the common cold,

2) this strain has particularly virulent airborne and resistance qualities from a specific bat corona virus wall.

3) inside there is a pandora of edited RNA making it actually different strains. They are mostly decoding the container not the content.

4) it is like a slot machine. If you get one and survive you probably are still vulnerable to others, those probably designed to target different immune system susceptibilities and races.

Would this explain why "the RNA sequences of the #coronavirus isolated from 6 patients of the same household are different from each other"?

Because they used a pool of them with different targets...brain, central nervous system, lungs, blood, organs.

R1 Zantac? I thought that it has been pulled.

Two cases have been confirmed in the UK today. I live in Glasgow, and we have a large community of students from mainland China attending our universities. I haven’t heard of anyone panicking.

R280. A lot of that stuff expires (meds). What a waste of money to stockpile it.

R280 Band-Aids? Why?

So they will bleed out instead of hiiiiiiiiiiiiiim

Walked by the Chanel store in Vienna yesterday and the sales assistant was wearing a mouthguard(no cc-logo). Seemed strange untill i noticed all the clients were tourists from asia. Still a weird sight.

Apologies for the completely off topic post.

R185 what do you think of the upcoming discontinuation of continuous submission status for substantial service to try to diversify the study sections?

Wow this thread really sucks. A bunch of assholes fighting amongst each other. Bye Felicia!

Guardian: Russia reports first cases – Russia has reported two cases of patients infected with the coronavirus. The two people are Chinese and have been isolated, authorities said.

R185, just curious, given your unusual depth of knowledge on this subject - what precautions are you taking?

Are you washing your hands really well and going about your life or is your larder fully stocked and doors barred and windows taped? Are you still going to the grocery store? To restaurants?

R287, most people already have bandaids. But most people never check to see if they’re expired. Bandaids can expire. If Bandaids are too old, or have been kept in a hot place, they can lose their adhesive property and then don’t stick. Then they are useless. Every year or so you should check the bandaids you have, put one on and see if it sticks. Bandaids are really cheap, you can buy generic ones at the dollar store. You should always have some around. If you get a cut, it’s very important not to go outside with an open cut in the middle of an epidemic. That’s really, really asking for it, because you have an opening directly to your bloodstream. Cover up wounds.

Neosporin also goes bad. It’s an antibiotic cream to stop you from getting an infected wound. Its medicinal properties can expire over time. There are a lot of generics that are cheaper.

This is a case where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Want to go to the doctor’s office over an infected cut in the middle of an epidemic? Want to go to the drug store when you’re sick?

A couple of years ago I came down with the flu very suddenly, over a couple of hours. I didn’t even realize what it was at first, I had a headache. Then I got a high fever and couldn’t go out. I already had flu meds, aspirin and cough medicine in the house, that held me for a few days until the fever dropped and I could go outside. Tylenol lowers fever, but you can’t take it every day or you’ll get liver failure. So get a different kind of painkiller as well. There are very cheap generics, generic aspirin is very cheap.

First aid stuff is very cheap at the dollar stores, but you want very fresh aspirin and Tylenol and it comes in small bottles. Walmart is a good place for that.

Well ElderLez, it'll take a year or two till the effects of that are known. They just did it. I can't imagine the continuous submission thing was that huge an advantage to PIs; people on that many study sections have post-docs and more senior personnel writing their grants anyway. And they have multiple RO1s and other funding, so this won't be such a big deal to them. They've got money to get them over humps.

It will theoretically motivate senior people To step down from some study sections, but i think serving was in and of itself their reason for doing it. Socializing, political maneuvers, higher level scienctific communications, inside tracks,.... It is a huge amount of work, but it was obviously worth it to them to do it every three months or so.

Why? It IS off topic, but what were you thinking?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Wuhan is the centre of the outbreak of the new coronavirus, which is believed to have jumped from wild animals at a city market into humans.

China has suspended schools nationwide and extended the Lunar New Year holiday in an effort to limit people travelling.

Thousands of foreigners have been trapped in Wuhan since it was sealed off last week, and countries have been scrambling to arrange evacuation flights.

France on Friday airlifted around 200 of its citizens from the city. They will be placed under two-week quarantine back home.

A total of 18 South Korean evacuees who arrived from the Chinese city of Wuhan have been hospitalised after showing symptoms, Seoul's health authorities said today.

Hong Kong unions have threatened strikes unless the border with mainland China is closed to stop the spread of coronavirus.

Unions say workers on the Hong Kong metro are 'in a panic' because of the risk of being infected while at work.

Hospital workers' union HAEA has also called for the entire border to be closed, saying strike action could begin as early as next week.

The crisis poses a fresh challenge for Hong Kong's embattled leader Carrie Lam, who has so far resisted calls to shut the border.

However, the high-speed rail service to mainland China and all cross-border ferry services have been suspended since midnight last night.

Countries like France, Germany, Australia, the UK or Japan rush to get their citizens out of Wuhan, but if you're from a poor or third world country you're basically fucked.

R276, if you have a water softener, don’t forget to buy extra bags of salt.

On the Thanksgiving theme, canned pumpkin is good if you can do something with it. It’s very high in vitamin A.

Tortillas can be frozen, boxed cornbread mixes last a long time, you just need eggs and milk. Soy milk can work in a boxed mix recipe.

“Egg substitute: What is a good substitute for eggs in baking?

“For recipes which use eggs primarily as a leavening agent you can try a commercial egg replacement product (see above) or the following mixture: 1-1/2 tablespoons vegetable oil mixed with 1-1/2 tablespoons water and 1 teaspoon baking powder per egg. Note: this mixture calls for baking powder, not baking soda.”

You can also use applesauce.

After freezing grains, usually I take the bags out of the freezer and then put them on a towel on the kitchen table for a day or two. Then the condensation from the freezer on the outside of the bag is completely gone and they’re ready to decant into a glass jar or store as is. A vinyl tablecloth will protect your table for this too.

If you’re seriously interested in storage foods, look up the minimum vitamin requirements for humans, and store accordingly. It’s not going to help if you get scurvy. And people need vitamin A,C, and D and sufficient magnesium and other minerals. Too many people only think about being hungry and not enough about balanced meals. A generic one a day vitamin helps, but humans get most of their vitamins from food.

I have instant oatmeal, those individually packed ones... those will end up with meal bugs?

17 cases in Japan via NHK.

Is it too much to ask China to copy from Japan? We know how much Mainland Chinese love to steal ideas from others. But why did they not at least copy the most important and noticeable aspect of Japanese culture? Japan must be pissed at constantly having to deal with imported diseases from China all the time. Japanese should be mad because their country is considered to be the cleanest in the world.

19 cases in Thailand.

R300, most of the time if you’re only storing a few months it’s okay. Any more than that, you really have to be concerned because a big infestation can ruin all your other food too.

Here’s what I do. I put the grains in a zip lock bag, push all the air out, then put that zip lock bag upside down into another ziplock bag, push the air out, and write the date on it. I buy zip lock bags at Costco, so they’re pretty cheap.

I freeze them a couple weeks, which will kill anything in there. I take them out, leave them on the kitchen table on a towel, and let them dry at least 24 hours. When they are completely dry, I either decant them into a glass jar or put the bags in a five gallon pail with a spinner lid. I’ve never had any waste doing this and I’ve stored white rice two years with no spoilage and it’s still good. No bugs, ever, using this method.

One thing I learned from various prepper sites is that buying in bulk saves a lot of room, so I buy a lot of grains in a big bag or box.

As far as storing brown rice, peanut butter and olive oil, any product with a lot of oil in it will go bad if it gets too hot . Look at the expiration date. For long term storage, if you want oils to last and not go rancid, store at low temperatures and they’ll last longer. You can store unopened peanut butter in the fridge and it won’t go rancid. Same with nuts. Corn oil can be refrigerated, but olive oil will turn thick. So keep in mind you can’t store oils a long time unless they’re at low temperatures.

White rice, while not being as healthy, can be stored outside the fridge because it’s been processed and stripped of its natural oils. Brown rice really needs to be in the fridge or freezer unless you’re going to use it pretty soon. Otherwise if the oils go rancid, it’s inedible. Think of crackers that have gone stale. It’s the same thing, rancid oils. Look at expiration dates for “shelf stable” foods with oils. They can be as short as six months. A year is usually the max. If you have crackers in the pantry that have been there a while, try one, if they’re rancid, throw them out and buy more.

Expiration dates for high acid foods like tomatoes should also be paid close attention to. If it’s tomatoes or pineapple, go by the date. Don’t overlook it.

R185/Geneticist,

What precautions are you taking?

I am stocking up on meds, shelf stable food, canned proteins, masks, gloves , sanitizer, antibacterial soap etc. I have a wood stove and tons of wood, water comes from a well and we have a generator if needed. No i am not a prepper i just live in a rural part of New England and we always lose power in storms.

Suspect end of feb/early march they may tell people in the US to stay home and stay put. I just want to be ready for that scenario.

I am stocking up on meds, shelf stable food, canned proteins, masks, gloves , sanitizer, antibacterial soap etc. I have a wood stove and tons of wood, water comes from a well and we have a generator if needed. No i am not a prepper i just live in a rural part of New England and we always lose power in storms.

Suspect end of feb/early march they may tell people in the US to stay home and stay put. I just want to be ready for that scenario.

Thanks for the storing tips and info, I learned so much!

R306, peroxide is actually the most effective for sanitizing surfaces. Be careful with it because it can discolor some surfaces, but if you’ve got ceramic tile it should be ok.

R398, another mistake people make is storing canned food in a garage or shed. Low temperatures can be just as bad for canned food as high temperatures. If canned food freezes, there’s no guarantee the seal isn’t damaged. If the cans are stored over 80 degrees, the expiration time is shortened. Never store canned food in a place that isn’t climate controlled.

Ideal food storage is a basement or root cellar. A lot of people don’t have those. Second best is a bottom shelf with a closed door on an inside wall of the house. Some closets with an outside wall can get really hot or cold. The temperature is usually lowest towards the floor.

Sorry, that comment was for R308^

The prepper community refers to "SHTF": when the shit hits the fan. They say this can refer to anything: civil war, nuclear annihilation, giant asteroid hits the planet, plagues. So presumably this is an example.

I just don't think we are at SHTF.

I stock up on a lot of things: canned foods (that I can myself, because I like to do it!), chest freezer with proteins and vegetables, lots of clear plastic bins in the garage containing dry goods; the bins protect them from mice. I have beans, rice, pastas, oils, cereals, baking ingredients, assorted legumes. Also shelves with pasta sauces, pickled things, condiments. But I do that primarily as a way to save money. I buy things when they are on sale and store them in quantities that are the limit of what I can store without it going bad.

I am surprised at how many people here are panicking. It is too early to panic. It is counter-productive to do that: you expend too much energy in anxiety before anxiety is a suitable tool for planning and problem-solving. So maybe have a plan for when the SHTF in general, with your loved ones and friends. Be reasonably prepared, deal with things when you have to, but not before.

Live your life.

Please stop with the scientific crap and continue with the hysterics. Thank you.

^Yes. Don't forget to build a bunker to store all your prepper food and goods. If shit really hits the fan, people who did not store anything will run out of food and supplies whitin days and will start to pillage houses immediately. Also this might be the time to buy a gun. My brother lives in Texas and after the last big hurricanes everyone in his neighborhood slept with a gun or shotgun next to the bed. Looting started hours after it was safe yo go outside. Some areas are more civilized than others, but if people run out of food.....be prepared.

R302, when there were more horses in the US cities, and horse crap everywhere, city people would clean their steps and sidewalks each morning.

Here's another fun viral outbreak film (it's been years that I've seen it) aptly titled, "Outbreak", starring Dustin Hoffman and Rene Russo. It was made around the time that Ebola was the big bad boogeyman:

Horses can climb stairs?

Actually yes horses can climb stairs.

See, I can be a feckless idiot too!

Preppers. The thing I always ask myself is if people they didn't know, asked them for food, or water, or even shelter and if turning them away might mean they wouldn't survive, would you really be able to turn them away? I couldn't. So then everything I prepped with would be gone in minutes. Which is why hard-core preppers buy guns. They would defend sacks of flour and cans of corn to the death.

I think if things ever got to that point, I would rather starve. Maybe the best tool for prepping is to constantly reinforce your belief that tough times won't last forever.

if your fear of catching Weflu prevents you to live your life normally then the virus have won.

I’m too drained by panic to go the store. My husband thinks prepping is a mental illness.

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Please stop with the scientific crap and continue with the hysterics. Thank you.

The prepper community refers to "SHTF": when the shit hits the fan. They say this can refer to anything: civil war, nuclear annihilation, giant asteroid hits the planet, plagues. So presumably this is an example.

I just don't think we are at SHTF.

I stock up on a lot of things: canned foods (that I can myself, because I like to do it!), chest freezer with proteins and vegetables, lots of clear plastic bins in the garage containing dry goods; the bins protect them from mice. I have beans, rice, pastas, oils, cereals, baking ingredients, assorted legumes. Also shelves with pasta sauces, pickled things, condiments. But I do that primarily as a way to save money. I buy things when they are on sale and store them in quantities that are the limit of what I can store without it going bad.

I am surprised at how many people here are panicking. It is too early to panic. It is counter-productive to do that: you expend too much energy in anxiety before anxiety is a suitable tool for planning and problem-solving. So maybe have a plan for when the SHTF in general, with your loved ones and friends. Be reasonably prepared, deal with things when you have to, but not before.

Live your life.

[R276], if you have a water softener, don’t forget to buy extra bags of salt.

On the Thanksgiving theme, canned pumpkin is good if you can do something with it. It’s very high in vitamin A.

Tortillas can be frozen, boxed cornbread mixes last a long time, you just need eggs and milk. Soy milk can work in a boxed mix recipe.

“Egg substitute: What is a good substitute for eggs in baking?

“For recipes which use eggs primarily as a leavening agent you can try a commercial egg replacement product (see above) or the following mixture: 1-1/2 tablespoons vegetable oil mixed with 1-1/2 tablespoons water and 1 teaspoon baking powder per egg. Note: this mixture calls for baking powder, not baking soda.”

You can also use applesauce.

After freezing grains, usually I take the bags out of the freezer and then put them on a towel on the kitchen table for a day or two. Then the condensation from the freezer on the outside of the bag is completely gone and they’re ready to decant into a glass jar or store as is. A vinyl tablecloth will protect your table for this too.

If you’re seriously interested in storage foods, look up the minimum vitamin requirements for humans, and store accordingly. It’s not going to help if you get scurvy. And people need vitamin A,C, and D and sufficient magnesium and other minerals. Too many people only think about being hungry and not enough about balanced meals. A generic one a day vitamin helps, but humans get most of their vitamins from food.

I once saw some TV show about the 16th century depopulation of the Americas from diseases brought from Europe. There was a scientist who stated that a 20% population loss would have destroyed the Indian societies because people had specialized skills, and there weren’t a lot of spares. For example, if they lost their medicine man and his apprentice, then all that information assembled over lifetimes and passed down, is lost.

Americans today are even more specialized than the Indians were. For example, most people today would not know how to farm, if they had to. On the plus side, we have books now, so not all knowledge would be lost.

[R1], Just spent about $50 on generics from Amazon of the 3 recommended meds in my previous post. Always good to have stomach relief meds on hand for severe indigestion. Prices are increasing, supplies on some are back ordered.

Interesting that food-grade concentrated bleach also went up in price significantly. It was recommended online elsewhere for those who are concerned about purifying their water supply if SHTF. Also used as a better method to totally disinfect everything.

Just shows the general public is catching on to being prepared although MSM isn't covering this issue.

Matthew, who looks like Austin Wolf (except without the horrible tacky tattoos, and of reasonable height), has a series called "Camp Chaos" for men.com, where he re-enacts crucial sexual episodes of his past while artistic images are projected on top both himself and his chosen re-enactor fucking.

First, though, we get to see him choosing among various slutty men on social media, so he can find just who is fully worthy of having sex with him and re-enacting his epochal sexual history.

What sayeth Datalounge"?

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R335, does he have the Coronavirus?

R305, I am not doing anything special.

I have stored food, but only because I don't like to pay full price for things I can get on sale. When flour goes on sale, I buy 50 pounds of it (I like to bake). When chicken goes on sale, I fill my freezer. At Christmas, when butter becomes a loss-leader item, I but about 50 pounds. I have a fabulous raised bed garden and I can fruits and vegetables (though I usually give a lot away; friends love my apple pie filling and my tomato sauce). I have woodchucks living in my gardening shed, so I have had to increase the size of my garden to accommodate their hefty appetites.

This is all true, whether there is a coronavirus or not. I don't own a gun and never will.

Good luck to those who vape...you're gonna die if you get this shit.

R295 I was interested in your opinion given your comments regarding the influence of non-merit based considerations in your peer review experience. Whether or not the change in policy will make that problem better or worse (assuming it actually achieves its goal of a larger reviewer cohort) is certainly a lively topic right now.

Like you (an assumption about your age sorry) I remember a time before continuous review existed for anyone so I’m not overly worried about the impact on people’s funding.

Now back to our irregularly scheduled pandemic.

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^I saw this on SkyNews and almost none of them were wearing suits and not all of them even had face masks. WTF? Why even quarantine them? Just send them home.

r345 As a uk citizen I am utterly shocked and concerned at the lax standards regarding infection control in this dangerous situation. I dont know if anybody has posted that there are now 2 confirmed cases of coronavirus in uk via chinese tourists who were staying in a hotel in popular tourist city York.

Wuhan residents typical diet may be partially to blame. Their bodies are flooded with fish parasites from improperly prepared and cooked fish.

Those with Asian genetics are 5 times more likely than Caucasians to get Wu Flu.

Garlic along with 5-spice powder, specifically star anise, should be included in all preps. Tamiflu is made from star anise by the way. More details and links on GodLikeProductions along with "boring" scientific analysis.

Read a wild rumor that the FEMA trailers being shipped to Los Angeles area supposedly for the homeless may in fact be given to anyone quarantined. Anyone know anything yet?

"More details and links on GodLikeProductions along with "boring" scientific analysis."

OMG. Please fuck off with that conspiracy theories site. There is absolutely no evidence at this time that Asians are really 5 times more likely than Caucasians to get infected or for any other conspiracy theories. Garlic? Really? Your posts are utter bs.

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So are those Americans now being quarantined for longer than 72 hours? God I hope so.

Trump's lame response.

Fashionable Face Masks. Amazon, Ebay, and Etsy offer lots of choices of colors and styles.

Doctors say without goggles and ear coverings they do a minimum of good. Masks are required in Wuhan and most of China so that YOU don't spread germs.

The 19th century homes in Boston often had shoe scrappers outside the front door. Some still do. When you return home, you’d scrape the horse crap off your boots before going inside. Lovely.

See link.

What’s the definition of “ear coverings? A hat? A turban? Or does it have to be an entire helmet or some sort of ear muffs?

CNN's Betsy Klein:

NEW: Trump admin just announced a ban on foreign national travel for those who have been in China w/in the last 14 days. The US, HHS Sec. Azar said, is "temporarily suspending the entry into the US of foreign nationals who pose a risk of transmitting the 2019 novel coronavirus."

Glad to see those people from China are getting quarantined for 2 weeks now.

According to reports, the baby who was in contact with the chicago patient, now has developed a fever...I heard this on CNBC. the reporter asked the question and the person said she (she was the person in charge in chicago) was only answering questions about confirmed cases.

Do you know that the Chinese cunts did not tell the world about SARs for 3-4 months?!

Dow plunges 600 points.

The Chinese knew about WuFlu back in Nov last year...

R355, Doctors have said face masks are useless because you can get infected through the eyes, ears, and other body cavities. Face masks only reduce the chances YOU will infect someone else which is why they're required wearing in Wuhan.

In any case you can't reuse a mask and still have it be viable. Removing it can transfer germs too.

Uber drivers in Bejing were papped wearing full Hazmat suits. GLP recommended Israeli gas masks designed to protect one from chemical warfare. Wu Flu particles are extremely microscopic. and you'd need instruction on how to properly prepare and remove the full external coverings. Not practical unless you work in bio-hazard labs.

Just wear a plastic bag over your head when you go out! cheaper!

Again Patient Zero was said to be infected by Halloween. When 8 doctors tried to spread the word via social media there were all arrested. By then they knew death was inevitable.

AI helped to inform the public as they picked up an unusually large number of activity re Coronavirus.

Wuhan has been boarding up homes of those sheltering in place. Residents cannot leave even if there's a fire. They will be shot if they try to climb out a window. CCP claims that they will deliver food but how will that be accomplished?

"GLP recommended Israeli gas masks designed to protect one from chemical warfare."

Please STOP. GodLikeProductions is not a reliable source and your info and recommendations are total bs. You think millions of people can just order your Israeli gas masks on Amazon?

r364, Death was inevitable to whom? Patient Zero or the doctors? Thanks

This is kind of weird:

LAS VEGAS (FOX5) -- A sick passenger was removed from a Southwest Airlines plane as a precaution after a flight from Las Vegas to Baltimore on Saturday morning.

In an email, Southwest Airlines confirmed medical personnel met the plane when it landed in Baltimore...

Kelly Rowe was flying back to Baltimore after visiting her mother in Las Vegas.

She said flight attendants talked with officials in Baltimore about the situation on board.

"He kept putting his head on the seat and kind of leaning back like he wasn't feeling good," Rowe said.

The flight crew brought the ill passenger some medicine, according to Rowe.

"And the lady said, 'My husband's not going to take these.' And she said, 'No, you will take these otherwise this plane is landing right now.' It was scary because they didn't even tell him what he was taking. So that was kind of weird," Rowe said.

Rowe said plane landed in Baltimore and was greeted by police, medical and hazmat officials.

The sick passenger and his wife were taken off the plane first, but other passengers were held on the plane while doctors talked on the intercom.

Officials from the Maryland Department of Health weighed in on today's incident:

This afternoon, a passenger arrived on a flight from Las Vegas to BWI who showed flu-like symptoms and had recently traveled from Beijing, China.The person did not meet the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention criteria for 2019 novel coronavirus testing but was referred to a medical facility for evaluation to determine whether additional follow-up was necessary. Per guidance from the CDC, no special action was indicated for this person or for any other passengers or crew on the flight.

Following evaluation by medical personnel, the person was released.

R366, One of the doctors recording a video already had a terrible hacking cough . A nurse was breaking down, hysterically crying re being abandoned by hospital administrators, the long departed CCP officials.

China made a show of sending in military and medical reinforcements all wearing basic face masks. Did they actually have any replacements? How about for their flimsy hospital gowns? Loved ones were papped crying as the doctors left, knowing their fate. They're not allowed to refuse an assignment nor a hospital shift.

Okay, I'm all set.

R355, Please read the linked MSM in as to why the CDC does not recommend face masks.

Which doctors are recommending ear covers?

7th case in the USA confirmed in Santa Clara....you in danger gurl CA!!!

CDC confirms 7 cases of coronavirus in US.

R355, Watch this video to learn a much more accurate answer to why face masks don't work.

"They have to be specially fitted to one's face. There's a whole process which must be learned in putting it on and taking it off to prevent risk of infection."

R371, Video from Bejing proved that doctors who did not travel to Wuhan but just sat next to those who did were infected despite all wearing new face masks and full scrubs. Therefore it was clear that the virus was transmitted through the eyes and ears. (Links to medical professionals explaining the whole process are on GLP but i'm being dissed for saying that fact. So I'll try to find the original links.)

[quote]seriously, the english are so inept and stupid and useless. ---- Where are their face masks? 83 Brits step off Wuhan airlift from the heart of the coronavirus outbreak after 12-hour flight - only to be met at RAF Brize Norton by medics and bus drivers with NO protective clothing on.

Poppycock! A nice cup of tea, perhaps Irished up a bit, and a bracing walk will be enough to stem the virus! Keep calm and drink tea! Pip pip! Cheerio!

How long do we have left? 21 days?

Also, we don't know how often those doctors change their masks or gloves, they could have touched the patient and then touched themselves somewhere etc, fix their eyeglasses etc.

I never knew ears were vulnerable.... You learn something every day...

MSM verifies my previous post where Bejing taxi driver wears a full Hazmat suit.

R367’s post raises a fact that I think is of concern. CDC is being strangely restrictive in who they are willing to test. I am hearing (at least in my state and I could have misunderstood) that doctors have to ask the State DOH to ask the CDC to run the test, that it is a pain and the answer is generally no. Why??? Do they not have enough testing kits? It makes no sense to me.

R367’s post raises a fact that I think is of concern. CDC is being strangely restrictive in who they are willing to test. I am hearing (at least in my state and I could have misunderstood) that doctors have to ask the State DOH to ask the CDC to run the test, that it is a pain and the answer is generally no. Why??? Do they not have enough testing kits? It makes no sense to me.

[quote] R360: Dow plunges 600 points.

I sold off about 3/4 of my most aggressive investments today. The market fell about 2% today. One notable exception to this mess was Amazon, which was up 7.38% on wicked better than expected earnings released yesterday after market close. I had a lot of Amazon stock within the mutual funds I own, so I’m eager to see how it all shakes out when the funds are priced in 30 minutes or so...oh, I see I’m down 1.44%. That’s not the end of the world.

My hunch is that the disease will continue to spread quickly, it will take 3 months to develop a vaccine, so the market indexes will continue to fall, led by travel-related companies (Boeing, Delta Airlines, etc.); and group-entertainment companies (Disney, Loews Theaters, etc.). The Super Bowl is coming at a bad time and could easily be a source of transmission, but you couldn’t cancel that. It wouldn’t be acceptable.

R346 Compared to the Japanese team greeting government-chartered plane carrying evacuated Japanese citizens, the British look like fucking morons.

A 7th person tested positive for the virus after returning from Wuhan to the SF Bay Area. But sounds like he's young, healthy, and not presenting with serious symptoms. I'm thinking that's why the officials here let him be quarantined at home. This is a lower standard of safety compared to the Japanese response, article linked at R383 is that the Japanese evacuees even if showing no symptoms are still put under quarantine to make sure: "Those without symptoms were to be driven home in a government-chartered bus if they live in the Tokyo area. Evacuees residing outside the capital area were to be temporarily housed in government-designated hotel accommodations." Whereas here they tell the guy who has tested (+) to self-quarantine at home.

[quote] R109: When I had pneumonia...

Oh, I wanted to add: at first, they thought I might have TB, so I was in quarantine. My room had a double door with an air lock. It was depressurized so that the air flow would be in to the room from the rest of the hospital ward; not into the ward, from the room. Hospital workers and visitors were required to wear face masks and not touch me unless they were wearing gloves. If I tried to leave, they were authorized to have the police enforce the quarantine.

It was a teaching hospital, so the doctors occasionally brought in gaggles of students. In one such large gaggle, the students in the rear of the pack looked like they were in complete terror! Turns out, the were pharmacy students who probably though they’d never have to meet a sick and contagious person through their job (relative to the doctors, I mean).

My bill for 5 days was, IIRC, $35,000. It was all covered by my insurance, thankfully. I paid nothing. It was an interesting experience and I was too fatigued to be bored, as I slept a lot.

I listened to the California Department of Public Health statewide conference Call to all health facilities a couple of weeks ago when all this hadn’t quite erupted yet. At the time there were no restrictions on who would get tested as ElderLez mentioned above, but it was pretty theoretical at that point since only one person in Washington state was confirmed infected.

We were told that all specimens needed to be sent to CDC since normal coronavirus tests available in hospitals wouldn’t pick up this “novel” strain.

Since then it’s been radio silence. Very few updates on the state intranet site, and what’s there is just generic Handholding pablum.

I find that odd and more than a little worrisome.

I just ordered 24 mushroom kits, logs with mushroom spores that I can grow and harvest my own fungi for consumption. I strongly implore you all do that as well. Mushrooms are a rare natural source of vitamin D of which we'll all be deficient if we are locked in our homes for four months. Conserving water out of necessity, they shall be "watered" and fertilized with my own urine. I want to get a head start on it so I can have mushrooms should I need them sooner rather than later, so I went ahead and laid some Costco trash bags flat on the floor of the spare bedroom as a barrier and sprinkled a generous amount of kitty litter on the barrier , set down a mushroom log and relieved myself upon it. I could have a harvest in as soon as three days but the moon is waning so it might take three and a half days.

Another thing half pallet of Savoy Coconut Cream cans. It's 900 calories and 90g fat per can, yet the cans are about the same size as a can of tomato soup. I could eat four cans a day in addition to my mushrooms and case of onion dip powder if I haven't mentioned it and actually come out on the other side of this fucker FATTER than when I went in.

The SJW's on Twitter are raging at the colonialism and racism of all of us during this crisis!

I went to the doctors today. I really like this doctor. She’s a young women and must be really smart, as she does spinal surgery. I was joking around with her, and asked her if she’s seen the Corona virus yet. Something like that. The question was just out of my mouth when I realized that she was Asian and the virus originated in China and OMG I’m not racist, I swear! I didn’t say that last part out loud. Haha.

R388's link prompts a file download.

R390 it's a fucked up picture of a bat prepared as food, I think. You don't want to see it anyway.

Based on this self/home quarantine business with only 72 hour quarantining is starting to really look like the CDC, and the governmental powers that be in the US are intentionally letting this get a toe hold here.

WTF!

The assays for coronavirus are a little complicated: They are essentially doing 3 antibody tests.

They test for the envelope protein and one of the spike proteins using ELISA (I wrote a background paragraph on the structure of the coronavirus at R185 in this thread). Then they do an antibody stain called a neutralizing antibody stain.

The reason they have to do three tests is that this coronavirus and SARS and MERS coronaviruses are very similar and you could get false positives using the antibodies against the structural proteins. But being able to block its function by inhibiting its access to its binding site (which is what the neutralizing antibody stain is testing) is definitive evidence.

The CDC apparently made up a kit to send to places with suspected cases but as you can imagine there is a lot of risk in doing these tests. First of all, you have to isolate specimens from these very sick people and treat it like a BSL-4 lab would, with very rigorous protections for personnel and the environment. The CDC is recommending they do tests on sputum samples from alveolae (meaning you have to do alveolar lavage, which is sort of like an endoscopy for lungs), as well as from upper respiratory branches, nose samples, and then I guess GI samples too.

The criteria for positive diagnosis is that you have to have at least 1 positive ELISA result and a neutralizing antibody stain. If you have two positive ELISAs, I think they still require confirmation from the neutralizing antibody, just to make sure it's this virus and not SARS or MERS.

ELISAs are just the biological sample, placed in wells of a multi-welled dish, which are immobilized by a substrate of some kind. Then you add the antibody for the structural protein (let's call it anti-structural protein A antibody, made in a mouse), then a second antibody specific for the species of the animal the first antibody was made in (so anti-mouse antibody); this second anti-mouse antibody is linked to an enzyme, like alkaline phosphatase or horse radish peroxidase). You rinse everything out of the wells. Then you add the enzyme's substrate and if, after thorough rinsing, the enzyme is still in the well (I.e., stuck to the anti-mouse antibody, which is stuck to the Coronavirus protein which is in the biological specimen that has been attached to the bottom of the well), it will produce a colored reaction product.

The neutralizing antibodies are more specific because they are made against the virus' binding site on the cell proteins. So if a positive sample from the first two tests can have its staining results titrated down to nothing with increasing amounts of neutralizing antibody, it means it is specifically competing with the neutralizing antibody for binding at its specific receptor, and is therefore NOT SARS or MERS. And that is then a confirmed diagnosis.

Bottom line?

The care you have to take in collecting specimens, and then doing the assays is what makes this painstaking work. I personally would be afraid of the responsibility. Imagine being the pulmonologist who has to do the alveolar lavage. Back in the day when a positive pneumocystis carinii diagnosis was required to get AZT, the same tests were done, but with way less danger (practically zero). Pneumocystis doesn't live outside of lungs and HIV was relatively easy for medical personnel to contain. This is a totally different story.

A few days ago, I was on Nextdoor and someone mentioned that there was a story on Facebook of a fire fighter who took his picture in front of a patient suspected of having the Corona virus at one of the local casinos. He was supposedly taking that person to the hospital, as they had fallen ill at the casino. It is a big hotel/casino south of Chinatown. The hotel denied anybody with Corona virus stayed there.

The next day or so, it was admitted that a person suspected of Corona was moved from a smaller hospital here to an “unknown hospital.” Here, the crisis hospital is UMC, down by the Strip.

Today, I learned that patient was sent to UMC, as I suspected they would be, but I’ve never heard again whether it was confirmed if that patient had Corona. The casino can technically say “nobody with Corona was there,” because it was never confirmed.

If you live in Vegas, there’s a lot of things that never get in the paper that would make the city look bad. Crimes, murders, muggings. They just sweep it under the rug.

If casinos are going to host Asians with Corona virus, and it becomes known, casinos are going to be ghost towns. So we’ll see.

Virologists, epidemiologists, molecular biologists, and geneticists are heavily debating the discovery of “novel” sequences that resemble the part of HIV that allows it to infect cells.

Some think bioweapon, some think carelessness by the Wuhan lab, but most seem to agree that the genetic sequence is unlikely to be natural.

CRISPR editing gone rogue.

They have to report if anyone is tested positive for the virus. So it's been a few days...did the CDC report cases from Vegas?

There are some great posts here.

There are some great posts here.

R392, They don't want to deal with any lawsuits and bad press. Uncle Intel said that some wanted nationwide cancellations of school, church attendance, concerts, anything with a lot of people attending, even future quarantines on cities with a large number of cases. Not going to happen. "Shelter in place" will all be voluntary.

Expect Wu Flu to be in 80 countries by next weekend. China Airlines is still flying in those with US relatives to America. Universal quarantines and even testing doesn't always exist.

Across the internet medical personnel are reporting suspected Wu Flu cases in their local hospitals. They're not allowed to discuss who is quarantined nor how many are at which hospitals. Occasionally the fact that someone is "a suspect" leaks out. on the local news. It's not always followed up upon as individual testing is still voluntary.

So don't believe the numbers of cases in the US are so low. Look instead at the reactions of US officials, just like in China. Remember that the Superbowl makes a lot of people a lot of money and that there's a lot of large gatherings of people.

OMG! A friend who works at the CDC just called me and said that they've just discovered that those who have sucked cock in the last 3 years are completely immune to this virus.

Could this be true?!

R399 is full of shit.

R394 you do understand the difference between “Asians” and “Chinese”, don’t you?

No, of course you don’t.

Okay, so what about body disposal. Funerals. Will putting them on ice for a week kill the virus? How will funeral directors deal with this?

My friends and I were discussing the Uighurs and those concentration camps they've set up for them. It's in every region in China now so what fresh hell awaits those poor souls.

I saw a video of an American single mother working in China who tried to make the flight out but couldn't find her 8-year-old daughter's passport so they couldn't get on the flight. Now the entire embassy staff is gone. Yikes.

R399 China Airlines is the national carrier of Taiwan, not China. You do understand the difference between Taiwan and China, don’t you? No, of course you don’t.

R404, OK so it was 2nd hand information. I'll go back and find out the correct name of the airline for you. I've always had a block with names but not with other details. Doesn't mean that the in-laws didn't arrive in FL without being tested or quarantined. Prove me wrong.

More importantly, did you know that McCarren Airport was thoroughly sprayed down with disinfectant earlier this week? The workers were wearing full Hamat suits. Yet some on DL sill think a simple face mask would protect them against disease in public encounters.

Correcting my previous post of R399, United will operate its last flight from China to the United States this coming Wednesday. The last flights from the United States to China will be Tuesday. The airline said it expects to resume service March 28 but will continue to monitor the situation.

March 28. That's almost 2 months away. What does that tell you?

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ZqMaybe they don’t want to admit there are cases until after the Super Bowl.

Today I went to the market. As I was walking through the aisles, I heard a child an aisle or two behind me with a very phegmy, loose cough. This child and its mother followed me through the entire store, a aisle or two behind. I heard a cough emitting from it every few seconds. When I approached the cash registers, I couldn’t see the child, but I could hear it. The constant hoarse coughing sounded like a dog barking.

When I got to the cash register, the mother was paying and the child walked over to the electric carts and started wiping his hands all over the handles, pretending to drive a car. He wiped his hands all over the steering handles, then went to the next cart and the next, smearing his hands all over each set of steering handles. The child was about seven or eight years old. When the mother finally looked around to see why her child disappeared, she went running to him as he sat on yet another electric cart. Not a word about “stop.”

I got out of there as quickly as I could.

[quote]Prove me wrong.

That's not how it works.

CDC updates on restrictions flying to the US from China. NBC link.

R407, Videos of Wuhan being sprayed nightly have been online since early last week. No word of exactly what disinfectant is being used and if it actually works. Horror stories of what's happening to Wuhan's pets suspected of being possible carriers.

OMG, r410. What are they spraying? Disinfectant, my ass.

What have they been saying about the people's pets, R410? Indoor pets? Or just outdoor ones?

Any word on the infected passengers of Flight WuFlu202 in Toronto? Still on the tarmac?

Has anyone bothered to check on them? Should DL take up a collection and have pizzas delivered? They must be getting hungry.

R402, actually I do understand the difference. I worked for a Japanese company for a decade, and a lot of the employees came from different Asian countries around the world. Some were of American origin, many were not.

There’s a world of difference between Japanese and Chinese culturally, but specifically, Chinese and some other Asians love to gamble. Chinese in Vegas are often extremely wealthy and they gamble large sums. Nobody is going to say no to a high roller in a casino that’s been going there for years.

Japanese are extremely clean, fastidious people. The kind of people where you can eat off their floors. Chinese are not. There’s been stories about them in these threads elsewhere.

One young person I worked with (from Vietnam) told me her mom would go to Chinatown and get a lot of herbs and ingredients to make special soups for her. For menstrual cramps, for feeling ill, for if she thought her daughter looked poorly. She was younger and didn’t necessarily believe in them all, but she took them dutifully. She would describe them sometimes and they weren’t all just generic stuff, some of it was weird stuff.

To some extent, there’s a melting pot culturally between some Asian countries. A lot of them follow Chinese cultural beliefs to some extent (Chinese New Year, for example), even if they’re not Chinese themselves.

There’s more than one “Asian” culture, but there’s some overlap in the U.S. at least.

R412, Indoor pets. Too horrible to post the pictures.

Link is from New Zealand newspaper proving China's lying.

Worth noting is that the first symptoms of coronavirus can include cough, fever and/or difficulty breathing. A runny nose and/or sore throat are not symptoms of this disease.

R394, R414, Agreed. Remember Sherman Adelson owns the Las Vegas Review Journal the one main newspaper in Clark County. Adelson also owns Venetian Casino and one casino in Macau. Nothing that hurts tourism will ever be printed in the LVRJ.

Living due North of Venetian and Wynn the streets are kept very clean and homeless aren't allowed to congregate. Police response time has always been excellent too. There's a surface image that needs to be maintained.

Question, Will private planes that have always flown in whales from China still be allowed to operate? This weekend is one of Vegas' biggest moneymakers and plenty of Chinese gamblers might not want to go home so fast especially if they're winning. Casinos will want to keep them occupied & happy until they win back the losses.

whales?

R408 I was in a store recently where a mother and child were shopping and her little princess did the same thing.

I improvised and pulled my shirt collar over my mouth. Mommy muttered about people being "so rude" and she's lucky I was with a friend and didn't tell her what a selfish whore she was, not to mention a bad mother.

R418

Whales mean wealthy clients.

High rollers, R418.

The question might be, R418, do those people even want to go home? A lot of them have luxurious homes in Vegas, LA or someplace else in the U.S., which are kept empty most of the year. Some of those people might say, I’ll just stay here a couple of months until things settle down.

R418, "Whales" refers to the "big fish" or high rollers who gamble a lot in Vegas. If you establish a certain level of play at one particular casino, which varies depending on the property, you will be assigned a casino host to attend to your needs throughout your stay.

Biggest whales are flown in by private plane. "There is no such thing as "No" was the rule when I worked at Bellagio with the VIP's at the private casino mansion-like suites. Even authentic Cuban cigars were on the menu. So I can't see whales being denied private plane trips to Vegas. Such mini-vacations are usually done quietly if that's what the whale desires.

Sorry, that post at R421 was for R417. A lot of Chinese also have homes in Vancouver.

I think the question will be, can they find an airport that won’t ask questions, then travel from there.

R423, Here's the main private airport right near McCarren. Doubt they'd ask questions of a whale as casinos own Clark County. Could mean Signature would lose a lot of casino business too.

R406 it doesn't tell us anything because airlines are not in the business of public health policy and surveillance.

Regarding face masks, don't bother spending money to buy them. When I worked as RN we had to be refitted annually with special PAPR masks in case we had to care for TB or other airborne/ droplet infectious patients.

Don't work yourselves up over this virus, as in don't go scouring for out-there, unscientific, speculative so-called sources. As imperfect as the CDC and WHO are, it's better than conspiracy theorist websites and YouTubers.

Yes humongous differences between Chinese and Japanese cultures. Japan is a nation of people who are essentially germaphobes, anal-retentive clean freaks and neat freaks, it's ingrained in their culture going back almost 2000 years. Mainland Chinese culture is made up of the worst of dynastic Chinese culture and communist Maoism culture. Selfish, harsh, boorish, and unrefined. Another difference: Japanese people love to drink and get sloshed, Chinese people love to gamble.

Today I had a 6 year-old male patient who came in for cold/ flu symptoms, the mom was a moron who thought that he may have the Coronavirus from playing with a neighbor's kid who happens to be Asian. The stupid woman was being an anxious fear monger. I imagine she'd be one of those PTA moms in the 1980s who protested against having gay teachers because they probably have or will have AIDS. She should've spent time teaching her spawn how to blow his nose because he sneezed about 10 times while I was examining him. Afterwards he'd have dripping discharge and snot that he sucked back instead of blowing his nose. I had to demonstrate to him how to blow his fucking nose and he acted like it was the first time he'd been shown how to do it. On his way out I saw nasal discharge dripping out of his nose, he wiped it off with his hands and proceeded to touch every fucking surface on hi sway to the receptionist. I diagnosed the little germ spreader with just a cold instead of a flu and a case of dumbass mommy.

R404, you’re being rude.

so many DUMB, crazy fuckers in this thread LOL.

Esp those about vegas...Do you read the news? anyone who has been in CHINA for the past 14 days will not be allowed in, even if they come via private planes, they still have to go through customs and immigration check points.

R426, R404 here - how is stating the truth “being rude”?

R428, ignore that dumb cunt, you're fine.

Solid advice, R387 about the need for natural vitamin D. I ordered two mushroom kits after reading your post. One Shitake and one just oyster mushrooms in case there are varying micronutrients.

Eat a clove of raw garlic in the morning and another at night. Crushed raw garlic releases ancillin, a proven antiviral chemical. Take six teaspoons of raw local honey throughout the day. Honey also contains antivirals, antibacterials, antimicrobials, lowers blood pressure, and numerous other health benefits. Cook with tumeric, as the spice also has antiviral properties. Make sure you drink orange juice as well and get your vitamin D.

A Chinese human right activist reported from the epicenter Wuhan. I've heard he is chased by police. He is hiding somewhere in a small hotel in Wuhan. Dead body at 22:40

"There is no such thing as "No." That's what "Whales" are told. Getting around immigration laws is nothing for a casino. I could tell you stories. . . .

By the way since forever Clark County swap meet is where you go to buy fake ID cards so you can get a casino job.

Call me any childish name you wish but I know what goes on in this city.

R431 Thanks for the raw garlic tip. Remember after eating to lean in closely and breath through your mouth when interacting with others. Human to human transmission can be avoided with appropriate preventive measures.

I buy vitamin D3 supplements at the drugstore for $2 during winter months. Growing my own mushrooms in my apartment is a bit much lol. You guys are hysterical. Are you guys still leaving the house? If we have to stay inside for months, vitamin deficits are the least of our problems.

With all the evacuees from various countries arriving home, have we heard from any of them or even their family/ friends they have communicated with regarding the actual conditions and if China is covering up a bigger crisis or not?

R432 that video is heartwrenching. We've all forgotten about the nightmare the people who are sick are going through.

Are Lysol and Clorox useful to combat Wu Flu? Linked article answers this question.

Haj, the annual mass migration of Muslims to Mecca, begins in a week. After gathering together they'll then return to Canada, Europe, the US, and elsewhere in the Middle East.

If the WuWhales are barred from flying, they’ll just swim in.

If you live in The Lakes - beware!

Spanish Trail - beware!

Lake Las Vegas - beware!

Rhodes Ranch - beware!

Canyon Gate - beware!

Boulder City is safe because the WuWhales can’t get over the dam.

If you’re a tourist, you’ll be putting yourself in grave danger if you stay at one of the many hotels with a water feature, including BELLAGIO!

Australia has followed the U.S. lead and will not be letting any Chinese nationals into the country as of now.

Health workers (doctors and nurses) with medical equipment are being flown to Christmas Island in preparation for Australian's (as well as citizens from some Pacific Islands) being flown from WuHan in the coming days.

Although I've been dismissing about 90% of the news here and elsewhere as conspiracy theories and hoaxes, my Taiwanese sister-in-law who lives in my town, showed me video from one of her fellow Chinese church-parishioners. He is from Wuhan and the video was from a visit from his parents. The video is from their visit to the US last summer. Both parents were hale and hearty in the video I watched, mid-60s, picking up grandchildren and playing with them. They acquired the coronavirus about 2 weeks ago (maybe longer, given the incubation period). Last week, she shared that the son of this couple was communicating with them daily by Skype because they were both still in their home in Wuhan, both sick with cough and fever. I asked her about him tonight, and she said that his father died two days ago. He got pneumonia, somehow was able to get an ambulance to take him to the hospital, but in triage, they decided he was not as bad as some of their other patients, and just put him in a room. 12 hours later he was dead. His mother is sick, but she's still alive.

That report has sent the Chinese community in my town into shock and hysteria, because many people in that community had met his parents last summer, and this report has made the virus real for them, as it makes it real for me. It is capable of killing previously healthy people, if they happen to get the more severe version which brings on pneumonia. I'm rather pessimistic about the odds of the world being able to contain it, because it spreads so quickly, it spreads from asymptomatic people, and our current world is a travel world, where business is international and people are flying from every continent to every other continent by the hundreds of thousands every day. Therefore I do think people should make plans for self-isolating if the virus begins to show up in their towns, at least for a few weeks. I'm a goner, because I teach for a living. (Unless they shut down my school). I have plenty of food in my pantry, enough to survive for a few months, but I have siblings and a very aged parent, and I just don't know how this will all play out. I'm sure they are working very hard and very fast to find a vaccine - but, realistically, how soon could that be?. I think it took them 6 months to get an Ebola vaccine. Concerning..... (as Susan Collins would say).

Australians are badass. Flying those passengers to a remote island. Compare that to US patients asked to self quarantine or the British "welcome crew" not even wearing face masks.

Seems like one big problem here is medical attention. Patients who have access to good care and treatment usually survive. At least we haven't heard of any patients outside of China dying so far. The biggest problem is when more and more people are infected there simply isn't enough room, meds or oxygen for everyone.

In retrospect,, it was wise for the who to act slow with china. This obviously was a bioweapon gone rogue. If they closed off China immediately who knows what other bioweapon the Chinese will release upon the world. If we are to ban china from biotech, we need to tread carefully after this blows over.

r337- actually 28 Days Later...

Deaths from the coronavirus in the U.S.: 0

Deaths from the flu in the U.S. since October 2019: 10,000

R447, I also believe in keeping calm by putting things in perspective. But.

In 2019, estimates are that there were 30,000,000 cases of flu. 10,000 died. therefore, 10 people died for every 30,000 infections. In Wahun, they are estimating 300 dead after 12,000 infections (and both numbers are likely severe underestimations). So at a minimum, this virus would kill about 900 in 30,000 infections. Thus about 90 times more lethal.

However, the risk of dying from flu are highest in old and compromised patients. And they typically die from complicating illnesses.

So while it is best to not panic, it is also disingenuous to dismiss this virus as just another flu.

Based on what r448 said, there could be some buying opportunities in Palm Springs next year.

Sorry. Wuhan. Not wahun. Apologies.

Bill Gates predicted this...in a documentary on netflix. He even said it would come from a wet market in China...a pandemic.

That’s interesting. I guess he has an informed perspective because of his vaccination work.

It’s ironic that he had to be shamed into doing charity, and now it’s become such an important part of his reason for being.

*BREAKING*!!!!! Hollywood to rush Lifetime movie of the Coronavirus epidemic starring Tori Spelling as an epidemiologist who travels to Hubei province to investigate a mysterious new flu virus. She falls in love with the head of the Chinese Ministry of Health and becomes inconvenienced by quarantine upon her return home. Tentatively titled: Touched by an Asian. Expected to air March 2020.

Thousands of Hong Kong Hospital workers voted to strike in an effort to pressure the government to close all borders with China to prevent the coronavirus from spreading.

The pro-democracy Hospital Authority Employees Alliance voted Saturday for a strike that could start as early as Monday the South China Morning Post reported.

Workers in Hong Kong are ‘in a panic’ because of the risk of infection on the job, unions said.

The city’s health minister, Sophia Chan, shed tears as she appealed to staff not to strike prior to the vote.

Chief Executive Carrie Lam rejected the demands to close all mainland border checkpoints, citing recommendations from the World Health Organization to avoid unnecessary interference with trade or travel, even as the agency declared the virus a global health emergency.

Nevertheless, Lam ordered the suspension of high-speed rail service to mainland China and all cross-border ferry services, Reuters reported.

Many airlines have canceled most or all flights to China and after the WHO’s declaration, the US and several other countries banned entry by foreign nationals who have visited the country.

The official death toll in China from coronavirus is 259, with 11,791 confirmed infections, according to the Associated Press. Hong Kong has 10 confirmed cases, with one person in critical condition.

were can I get the face shield the nurse is wearing in R454? she's also wearing a shower cap, covers the ears and hair. It was linked in the first virus thread...but I can't find it now.

R451, Having you seen the YouTube series where Bill Gates and other CEO's role play a pandemic with China origins?

If being quarantined will keep the deadly coronavirus from spreading in the US, Matthew McCoy is happy to spend a couple of weeks at a military base in California.

McCoy and nearly 200 other Americans evacuated from Wuhan, the city in China where the international outbreak started, will spend the next two weeks at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside, according to new reports.

“All of us really want to stay here and make sure we’re all medically clear and the public safe,” said McCoy, a theme park designer who lives in China.

The US flew the group out of China on a chartered flight earlier this week to the base, where federal officials had ordered them to stay for three days for monitoring and testing. Health officials expanded the order to two weeks because the virus can take up to 14 days to make a person ill.

“We understand this action may seem drastic. We would rather be remembered for overreacting than underreacting,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s Center for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases.

The federal quarantine order is the first since 1963, when a woman returned from a trip to Sweden during a smallpox outbreak and couldn’t prove she had been vaccinated. The group is staying in hotel-style housing at the base, which about 60 miles east of Los Angeles. Some wear protective medical masks while they pass time walking and exercising.

Doctors are still awaiting test results for each evacuee; so far, all the results have come back negative.

Football player Jarred Evans, who was playing in a professional league in Wuhan, also said the evacuees “completely understand” that staying on the base is “the right thing to do.”

“People want to go home. But it’s better than being stuck in the epidemic center,” Evans said, adding that Wuhan was a ghost town when he left. “Imagine New York City being shut down.”

Postal Service in China will be shut down very soon.

Apple shut down all its stores in China.

From the Guardian, what other countries are doing to address the coronavirus:

The Russian military will evacuate Russian citizens from China on Monday and Tuesday.

Vietnam has suspended all China flights.

Qatar Airways has suspended flights to mainland China from 3 February.

Iraq’s Basra International A airport said it was denying entry to passengers of any nationality travelling to Iraq from China.

Turkmenistan Airlines has suspended flights to and from Beijing.

The government of Uzbekistan has instructed the state airline to suspend flights to and from China.

The evacuation of Thai nationals from the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak in China could take place “in a matter of days."

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Feb. 1 video from Chen Qiushi on conditions in Wuhan. Heavily implies the death toll is much higher than is being reported without actually saying it since he has no concrete proof. Patients with suspected coronavirus are mostly going undiagnosed due to a shortage of test kits.

Once the virus spreads to other countries, a ban on travel from China won’t stop it.

In terms of MSM reporting, DL got to publication, the Daily Mail, has only started ramping up WuFu coverage, but not as hard as I would have expected and only in the last week. For most of January, every day, if Meghan M queefed we got an update. WuFu nada. Their bigger WuFu stories are now covered in the smaller block prints. This might be a good thing b/c there doesn't seem to be any new news today. The UK tab vs. the default US for us Americans seems to have better coverage.

As much as I don't trust China, I do not think the US will ever tell us the truth about this or any major crisis that would directly effect us. For better or worse, Americans do not wait patiently in line while people collapse around us. We are a country of "me first" - we riot, we steal, we do what it takes. There is no keeping calm and carrying on here. When I saw "Contagion" they were spot on as to how Americans would react in a serious time of crisis where each person could be directly effected and it is not a pretty picture.

Side note - everyone keep shaming those typically white mothers who let their sick kids cough/sniffle all over the place and spread their germs everywhere in public places. I doubt they have WuFlu, but this is how we get regular colds & flus, which is annoying . We always are told to turn a blind eye b/c "they are children" and "what can they do?". Same on airplanes. These are the same bitches who come to work sick and then spread it on to everyone. We need to take a page from the Japanese. As much as we are dissing the Chinese for their lack of cleanliness, some Americans are absolutely disgusting with theirs. We need to start getting better with the basics (caughing into elbows, not touching your face in general, really washing yours hands in the bathroom/not just a rinse under the water).

R464, which state are you in?

R464, you mean, YOU will "steal, riot, etc" first. you are projecting...

The US wont sound any alarms to citizens until after the superbowl and the state of the union are over. You’ll start hearing lots starting feb5/6.

[quote] For most of January, every day, if Meghan M queefed we got an update.

LOVE you!

I was at the grocery store today and some woman was pushing her brat in a cart (he looked way too old to be pushed around), as I walked by he coughed hard on me and I glared at the mom. She goes "oh ha, ha, he does that to everyone, he's not really sick, honey don't do that".

Can you imagine if NYC was Wuhan? The entitled assholes living there would never agree to being confined. It would be a major shit show.

R461, that link is to transport of a patient, not the paper, which I am linking here. It is not really a paper, more like 1 picture and 2 paragraphs. However, you got one or two details wrong: the white blood cell count was elevated (as you would expect), not depressed.

The picture of the lungs is interesting only in where those red boxes outline the infiltrate. That is the pneumonia, not the white spaces. Not all that remarkable as pneumonias go. I have had pneumonia often (I had undiagnosed asthma for my entire childhood), and my lungs looked like this too. What struck me is that this is symmetrical pneumonia. That IS unusual. I have no idea what this means.

Most interesting of all is that the journal provided links to 4 other papers that are now using PCR against the coronavirus RNA strand as a diagnostic, rather than having to do ELISAs against coat proteins, etc. I am sure someone is comparing them for specificity.

Why are they giving dogs masks? That shit worries me.

R464, Don't trust MSM, look at countries' actions.

There's a doomsday prepper company that advertises on GLP. They will shut down in 3 weeks. Various branches of the US government has been constantly badgering them multiple times daily for ALL of their supplies. What does that tell you?

Too much of a downer for you?There's discussions Trump will declare martial law by Easter, and not all the State Democratic Primaries and Caucuses will go off as planned.

Don't believe me? Why hasn't 2020 Census started national interviewing and full month of training yet? Friend in small town of AR was promised a response by early Jan. I'm not surprised at the "delay."

^Damn, and we all thought the conspiracy theory troll had finally left DL and fucked off to conspiracy land. Yet here he is again posting his conspiracy bs from his fucking conspiracy gospel GLP.

Please r473 FUCK OFF already and stay on GLP with your nutty buddies.

R474, Do you own DL? Please show me proof that you own this site and have the authority to boot posters off of it. Otherwise have the maturity to block me. I've tried to block you. Unlike me you and the other obviously mentally ill trolls post from multiple sites.

Estimates of 50% of the meds used in the US come from China. Warning to those dependent on meds to stock up. Expect shortages if they come from Hong Kong or 3rd World countries which are sadly going to be negatively affected by Wu Flu outbreaks.

Walmart and similar stores will see significant shortages in about 3 weeks time. Expect food prices to increase.

If you block R47, the rest of this thread is pretty good. Anyone who can link to legitimate scientific/medical articles will be appreciated.

^ Sorry, R473

Washington State public health and CDC experts just released a report on the first U.S. case of coronavirus infection. The authors describe the clinical features of this first case:

R476, Who do you think has been doing the vast majority of posting to scientific journals despite trolls complaining that it's boring?

Yes I cited GLP because that was my original source for the re-postings and they deserve credit for doing the extensive research of the online medical and scientific journals.

I will not block you r475 bc I won't let you get away with your non-stop promotion for this totally unreliable source GLP. And you will not be indoctrinating DL posters with your bs conspiracy theories without constantly being called out for it.

And no, I don't own DL, but many, including r476, have already told you that we don't appreciate your stupid posts here. So fuck off to GLP and post your shit there.

R478 - So the patient presented with not especially alarming symptoms but there was a rapid onset of pneumonia, which was treated with a battery of antibiotics, hydration and fever reducers. He got himself treated early.

And recovered, I should add.

how old was the patient?

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A Boston man in his 20s is the eighth confirmed case of coronavirus in the United States - and the first in Massachusetts.

According to officials in the commonwealth, the man, a resident of The Hub, recently traveled to Wuhan, the Chinese city where the virus first emerged.

The Massachusetts Department of Public Health and the Boston Public Health Commission were notified by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention of the positive test results late Friday evening.

After returning to Massachusetts, the man sought treatment, according to health officials.

Since his return, he has been placed in isolation and his symptoms are being closely monitored.

'Our priority is not only to protect and inform the residents of Boston but also to help this man continue to recover. We are pleased that he is doing well,' Boston Public Health Commission Executive Director Rita Nieves said.

'Right now, we are not asking Boston residents to do anything differently. The risk to the general public remains low.

'And we continue to be confident we are in a good position to respond to this developing situation.'

Elsewhere in the US, three confirmed cases have been reported in California and one each in Washington State and Arizona.

There have been two cases reported in Illinois - the second case being the first time that the disease has been transmitted from person to person in the US.

The viral outbreak that began in China has infected more than 11,900 people globally.

R483 - 35 and healthy except for what, pre-diabetes?

According to a study which appeared in The Lancet on Saturday, the number of infected people in Wuhan is likely to reach as many as 75,815 people.

The number is the result of a study conducted by scientists from the University of Hong Kong.

It is based on the assumption that each infected person could have passed the virus on to 2.68 other people.

Meanwhile, the Pentagon said on Saturday that it had approved a request from the Department of Health and Human Services for assistance for housing support for 1,000 people who may need to be quarantined after arriving from abroad due to the coronavirus.

In a statement, the Pentagon said that HHS had asked the Pentagon to provide several facilities capable of 'housing at least 250 people in individual rooms' through February 29.

It said that Defense Department personnel would only provide housing support, while HHS would be responsible for all care and transportation.

The statement added that four military installations had been selected in case they were required, including two in California, one in Colorado, and one in Texas.

I have no dog in GLP's and the other poster's fight, but it just occurred to me that it might not be a bad idea to those of us here on regular maintenance meds ( thank you middle age!) to ask our PCPs for 3 month refills next time we go in. If it's really true China produces so many of our meds and their generics, I'd be guessing that production is going to be slowing down pretty soon.

Just a reminder, Wit and Wisdom (W&W) on DL is not intended to be a "like" or even a "thank you". W&Ws are for well-earned cuntistry or spit-your-coffee-out laughs. TIA

[quote] R188: [R173] I watched The Day After by searching on ok dot ru - they have tons of stuff

I googled that and it says it’s a social media site for Russians. I don’t want a virus. We’re you just kidding?

Most generic meds are manufactured outside the US in places like India and China. From my experience trying to get specific meds for my patients on Medicare or certain HMO type plans, they’ll only cover for generic drugs over the brand names. It’s always a good idea to work with your MD or NP who prescribe your meds to figure out ways to get exceptions from your insurer. With my psych patients it’s easier than with my medical patients. But like I say it never hurts to ask.

Viral pneumonia can be hard to differentiate from other infections in the lungs. That’s why sputum cultures are done to support diagnosis and even more invasive testing with biopsy in serious cases. The lung imaging photos of the Coronavirus patients do not show anything that deviates from bilateral pneumonia that shows up on imaging as ground glass opacities.

Also, an infection doesn’t always mean your WBCs are automatically elevated. In a patient with pneumonia, we often suspect it is viral in origin when there are decreased WBCs (due to lower lymphocyte count).

According to this article, scientists in Japan have isolated the virus and they’re working on testing and vaccines. The isolated virus has not mutated and matched to the ones released by the Chinese authorities. This is reassuring. Like I said, stop freaking out about this virus just yet. The most reassuring thing is no one with the virus outside of China has died. It’s not on the same level of virulence as say, the Ebola virus which neutralizes our innate and adaptive immune responses before causing irreversible, inflammatory cascades that kill those who are infected.

I'm not getting excited, after the last 5 years of the news grabbing the doomsday flu! is coming: Swine flu, H1N1, Ebola, the big measles "scare" in NY last year. All of those killer flus/measles uproars were nothing. The news loves that shit, like the weather alerts to keep people tuned in and this corona nonsense will be a memory in about 1 month.

Swine Flu was a motherfucker. I remember being so ill. That bug lingered, mutated and swung back around for years.

It's in NYC fuckers!!!

A woman arrived from mainland china two days ago, went to hospital late last night. The mayor is talking about this LIVE now.

First suspected case!

Fuck off, hall monitor R489.

The patient is at Bellveue.

They wouldn't say which part of china she was from.

Apparently, this bitch didn't have family in NYC.

I didn't see the beginning of the news conference...I do not know if they mentioned the hotel or wherever this bitch was for 2 days before she checked herself into hospital.

IF It’s in NYC get ready for these threads to fill fast.

Boston too has had its first confirmed case. This Boston guy went to Wuhan, then came back to Boston and got medical care. He came back and immediately sought treatment. Suggesting he was feeling sick and managed to hide his symptoms long enough to make it back. Don't know enough about the NYC case yet to know if she felt sick when she left. And frankly, anyone leaving Wuhan has to know there is a risk they could be infecting unexposed populations. But if they felt sick, they KNEW and that is a whole different level of ethics.

There is a guy (Ben) on the Chan4 youtube channel, from Ireland, who said he would not agree to be airlifted out by the UK government unless they could be sure he would be quarantined for 2 weeks so he could be sure he wasn't responsible for infecting anyone at home. He would stay in Wuhan before he would endanger anyone at home.

Am wondering how long before people become so desperate and don't care WHO or how many they infect......

I watched part of the news conference, the mayor asked his aides if he could reveal which part of China she came from and was told NO. So he only said she flew in 2 days ago and checked herself into hospital late last night. I want to know where the fuck she's been, which hotel? Said she has no family or friends in NYC. Then why the fuck did she come here? So she wasn't in close contact with any family here.

They were also wondering why she chose Bellevue. They said, we don't know why she chose to come here...

I wonder if her first port of entry was NYC or somewhere else and traveled here.

The suspected coronavirus sufferer is a person in their 40s who recently returned from mainland China and experienced telltale symptoms including “fever, cough and a runny nose,” said Oxiris Barbot, the city health commissioner.

What an inconsiderate CUNT

can someone link the funny pictures of people using fruit as masks?

So, do we need to start wearing masks in the city now? Did they say if this woman rode the subway?

Gdammit I'm supposed to be in the city next weekend. Romantic weekend getaway may be pfft.

[quote]So, do we need to start wearing masks in the city now?

Masks don't help.

Also, starting a sentence with "so" makes you sound like a vapid twink.

I understand she probably wanted to get away from the craziness in China. But why did she come to New York? Go to a remote town in the middle of nowhere if you don't even have friends or family here and hide in a cheap motel for 2 weeks. Decline room service, order take out and pay online. Go back to civilization when you're sure you won't infect and potentially kill thousands of people.

We will know for sure on Monday.

The public has a fucking right to know. where the fuck did she go for 2 days?!

Oh, I stopped off at a Walmart, rode on the subway, went into a fast food place and ate, used the airport restroom, and infected about a million people all by myself.

According to NY1, she called 911 to report her illness.

Was she in a hotel? airbnb?

Unless she’s been living in a desert island in China, she must know how contagious she is. So where has she been getting food? McDonalds? Did she squeeze the fruit at the local market?

Wouldn't a face mask and goggles work fine? Like swim goggles that seal off your eye, you could just dip them in alcohol when you got home.

The guy in Boston almost certainly knew he was sick too, and purposefully came back here, and sought medical attention immediately. I am guessing they don't stay in China because they know there is little likelihood of being treated at this point. The president or prie minister or whatever he is asked the world to provide assistance, including facemasks.

They don't have enough facemasks. They certainly aren't going to be optimizing healthcare for the infected. Especially if it turns out thy have 100,000 sick rather than the 10,000 they are owning up to.

Normally, I wouldn't wear a mask but I was walking in the street the other day and some cunt coughted without covering his mouth and I was near enough to catch something...I think that a mask could help in a situation like that. Also in the past, some guy coughed right as he walked past me and didn't cover his mouth either...

oh my, those who were on the flight with the woman and guy from Boston...just think about that! We know that they can spread the virus when they don't have symptoms...and she got sick 2 days ago so she was definitely contagious on the plane.

That report on the first U.S. patient in Washington in the NEJM posted uothread is quite hopeful. It sounded like a new anti-viral. drug was used or maybe I misunderstood and it was one that they have been using for HIV. In any event, it sounds like the patient is or has recovered well. If they can quaratine enough travellers from China to keep the numbers of Corona infected patients down, there might be a chance to suitably contain and treat them in the U.S. Fingers Crossed.

[quote]Wouldn't a face mask and goggles work fine?

Sure, if it's an N95 respirator and custom-fit to your face, and if you observe strict laboratory protocols when you take it off. Otherwise you might as well just wear your panties over your mouth and nose.

I've asked this every day since the news broke about this - Wuhan is some mega travel destination?!?

Masks are all sold out anyways...I will just wrap a bandana over my nose. or thick scarf. and wear sunglasses.

R517, I understand it’s a travel hub. A lot of people pass through.

The main issue with someone staying in China is they’re out of everything, including hospital beds. That woman knew if she stayed she’d get no care at all. P

They’re trying to build a couple of isolation hospitals for contagious people right now, but that’s complicated because the air doesn’t recycle in those rooms. So an entire hospital full of that type of rooms must be difficult to build so quickly.

When they do open those hospitals, do they have any supplies to put in them? Have they been holding back on supplies to put in the new hospitals?

I want to buy the face shield and wear that for my halloween outfit this year.

I heard the hospital in Wuhan is gonna be open on Monday and another one wed.

The structures they're quickly building are not hospitals in the traditional sense. They are, at best, triage centers with only the absolute basics. I find it strange that they're building from scratch though since China is notorious for empty and under-occupied developments.

R522, one is a converted apartment building.

R518, You might as well walk around naked.

The way those masks work is, they are capable of screening out extremely fine particles the size of a virus. I read that doctors in full head gear and protective clothing are still getting it. A bandana has huge holes in it and does nothing, basically. People are getting infected in their eyes and ears. So you have to wear a full hood with a face shield.

They think either the virus is so tiny it’s sneaking through the usual masks and protective gear, which basically makes all protective gear useless, or the doctors are contaminating themselves when they take it off. Plus they’re so short on gear, a lot of it should be thrown away every day at the least, but they don’t have any extras so they’re re-wearing it, which makes it useless. When they go to the bathroom it’s very easy to contaminate themselves, which is why they wear diapers. But you have to change them some time, and they should be putting on all new gear when they change the diaper, but they don’t have any.

If you wanted to get something, try Home Depot, paint department. I went last week and they also had goggles, like scuba gear, one big glass piece across the eyes, instead of two eye pieces like most goggles. I thought that was unusual. Don’t know what they have now, but you can try Lowe’s, Ace, or maybe some paint specialty stores. Also you can try medical supply stores in your town, they might have something.

People in some foreign countries are cutting the bottom out of plastic gallon water jugs and putting that over their heads. Some are just putting a clear plastic garbage bag over their heads. It’s not perfect, but it would definitely stop some psycho spitting in your eye, like patients were doing in China.

No R517. But before people started leaving it was a city of 16 million people. There are estimated to be about 9 million people there now. It seems to be an industrial hub, situated at the nexus of the Yangtze and Han rivers.

The attached travel brochure is positively creepy now. Especially the motto of Wuhan: "Wuhan: Every day something different."

Stuff all of your holes with garlic.

[r451] So Mr. "There'sTooManyPeopleWeNeedAGoodPandemic" "predicted" this huh? Is anyone surprised? Anyone?

Godlike Productions has been around since the Y2K threat and thrives on putting the fear of god into its readers. Every few years they promote a new global threat you need to buy overpriced supplies for. Don’t follow this bullshit, you fucking sheep/deplorable!

It’s not so contagious that every person a sick patient comes in contact with gets it. Ordinary face masks are not perfect, but they are much better than nothing. In Boston and in Washington, it seems that the patients did not infect anyone else. The one reported case of person to person contact was the wife of a patient in Chicago. Probably close and frequent contact increase the chance of transmission. There is reason for concern, but not panic.

R527, Of course there's a ton of garbage on GLP as I've repeatedly said on DL. However there's also a ton of valuable info on practical prepping, buying on sale items you normally use for a minor illness or bad weather.

Currently among the 600,000 daily visitors there are a lot of scientific discussions with links on virus progression. from medical journals around the world. Much more advanced and up-to-date than on this site. Also the current info on who's making a vaccine and a cure around the world.

GLP also has extremely accurate economic predictions re the stock market with links. Anyone with brains on DL should be able to weed through for the most valuable info and those truly knowledgeable posters.

All of the posters must use a handle or AC or Anonymous Coward with a specific number attached to identify them. Then skip those racist, sexist, idiot jerks who unfortunately also post.

GLP was linked ONLY because some of the info should help DL posters. All of the questions posed on this thread have been thoroughly answered by the vast array of international medical professionals on GLP. I've only linked some of the quoted scientific journals on these 2 threads. Look back and see how many linked posts I've made.

R526, Guess who has a patent on both the virus and the vaccine. Bet he also has a patent on a guaranteed cure. You wouldn't believe the dates of the above.

Sure not all are in his name but he provided the majority of the funding for the company in England who did most of the work.

Did you see all of the simulations of world-wide pandemic on YouTube? Top dog from Johnson&Johnson stated that his 3 drugs would prevent the accompanying Cy. Storm. Look back on the posts for the 1st thread and you'll see what I'm referring to and of course it's only an emergency substitute if you can't get to the ER ASAP.

I ordered some masks from Walmart, they are n95 but won't come until 2/13. I could always wear water bottles if it comes to it. I already have swim goggles.

“ vast array of international medical professionals on GLP. ” = CNA in a trailer park

R522, Have you actually read through the medical and economic threads on GLP this week? Do you understand all of the scientifically referenced linked updates from Poland and Australia, those who've completed a sequence of development and possible mutations?

Why it differs from both SARS and HIV? How it's both air-born and can be transferred by water? What temperature is most conducive to its growth?

R528, Panic is always counterproductive. Concern is more sensible.

However 14 days is the current estimate of how long it can take to show any symptoms. There should be a more accurate picture by mid-Feb. I do hope it's a nothingburger. I'm taking sensible precautions just in case.

A lot of people have been extremely ill in the US since the actual outbreak in China of early Nov (when 8 journalists were arrested for exposing the extreme dangers on social media)

It's going to be difficult to tell without testing if the suffering have the "regular" flu or Wu Flu. Most Americans don't go to the hospital with flu symptoms. Are all of the 300 dying daily the result of "regular" flu some of which has turned into pneumonia?

GLP reported with links to medical journals that so far pre-pubescent children are carriers but haven't been dying of it in China, so far.

Compassion Use med from Washington case

Home Depot has the masks as of this am. Can’t order them online anywhere anymore w/o a backorder.

You’ll notice from the Wikipedia link above an alternative treatment possibility is Kaletra (two protease inhibitors)

I know you loose hussies in NYC will spread this shit around in no time! 😷

END OF DAYS

No, this individual did NOT do precisely what we wanted them to do.

If they were in the midst of a virulent outbreak, and under quarantine, we would want them to stay within the boundaries of quarantine and not infect unexposed people! The NERVE!

The more I think about these people, the more pissed off I get!!!!

Is this Dennis “I’m a chub” Olson posting from his RV?

I wouldn't believe GLP if it told me the sky was blue.

I wouldn't believe GLP if it told me the sky was blue.

First death outside China. So it begins.

Trump locks immigrants up in camps. Nothing happens.

Trump starts locking up Americans in quarantine. Nothing happens.

Trump directs the military to set up "quarantine" camps that can hold 1000 people each. Nothing happens.

Trump declares a national emergency. Nothing happens.

Trump declares martial law. Nothing happens.

Trump cancels 2020 election. Nothing happens.

Watch America end.

oh my, the guy who died in Philippines was only 44! The article didn't state whether he had existing health issues etc.

More info would have been more helpful.

My local home depot is all out of masks.

Order an N95 off Amazon. Yes the wait times are a couple of weeks. Still enough time before the epidemic reached critical mass in the West.

R541, Your choice what to believe. No, the sky isn't really blue.

However you'd be smart to follow their stock market and economic predictions as they've been extremely accurate so far during this Coronavirus. My thread last week on it was dissed so I stopped posting his updates.

We’re dissing you on this thread and you’re still posting.

Any word yet yet on that plane in Toronto?

I find the Chicago case more troublesome, the husband wasn't isolated until 1/30, the wife returned on 1/13. All that time walking around and he was working and traveling too.

r546 If you look on Amazon, they've all jacked up their prices to hundreds of dollars and adding hundreds for shipping. Walmart is a better option.

R541, Did you know this fact originally posted with links on GLP? Please be careful if you need a blood transfusion in the next few months. Most of it comes from China.

R549, Those of us who read GLP knew all of the details of the Chicago couple before it hit MSM. The poster in fact is the one that called the news and gave him all the details re his brother-in-law's coworker and the multiple job sites in 2 sites which he visited.

The media is reporting that facemasks are effective at keeping your germs to yourself, but do not do much to filter contaminants out of your breathing intake. So in a country like the US, with I guess 12 confirmed cases? Only those 12 people would do well to wear a mask. The rest of us wouldn't benefit much. Virions are much smaller than the filter size of the masks, so aerosoled virus will still get in, even thru multiple masks.

Jeff Bezos made $13 billion yesterday. I don't think you need to help him any further.

ElderLez, Read the article from the New England Journal of medicine.

ANtibiotics, oxygen, did not work for the patient from WA.

Symptoms quickly resolved for the most part with this Remdesivir. Amazing change after other treatment did not help.

[quote]Jeff Bezos made $13 billion yesterday.

That is genuinely stomach-turning.

WUHAN, China — A mysterious illness had stricken seven patients at a hospital, and a doctor tried to warn his medical school classmates. “Quarantined in the emergency department,” the doctor, Li Wenliang, wrote in an online chat group on Dec. 30, referring to patients.

“So frightening,” one recipient replied, before asking about the epidemic that began in China in 2002 and ultimately killed nearly 800 people. “Is SARS coming again?”

In the middle of the night, officials from the health authority in the central city of Wuhan summoned Dr. Li, demanding to know why he had shared the information. Three days later, the police compelled him to sign a statement that his warning constituted “illegal behavior.”

The illness was not SARS, but something similar: a coronavirus that is now on a relentless march outward from Wuhan, throughout the country and across the globe, killing at least 304 people in China and infecting more than 14,380 worldwide.

A reconstruction of the crucial seven weeks between the appearance of the first symptoms in early December and the government’s decision to lock down the city, based on two dozen interviews with Wuhan residents, doctors and officials, on government statements and on Chinese media reports, points to decisions that delayed a concerted public health offensive.

In those weeks, the authorities silenced doctors and others for raising red flags. They played down the dangers to the public, leaving the city’s 11 million residents unaware they should protect themselves. They closed a food market where the virus was believed to have started, but told the public it was for renovations.

Their reluctance to go public, in part, played to political motivations as local officials prepared for their annual congresses in January. Even as cases climbed, officials declared repeatedly that there had likely been no more infections.

By not moving aggressively to warn the public and medical professionals, public health experts say, the Chinese government lost one of its best chances to keep the disease from becoming an epidemic.

“This was an issue of inaction,” said Yanzhong Huang, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations who studies China. “There was no action in Wuhan from the local health department to alert people to the threat.”

The first case, the details of which are limited and the specific date unknown, was in early December. By the time the authorities galvanized into action on Jan. 20, the disease had grown into a formidable threat.

It is now a global health emergency. It has triggered travel restrictions around the world, shaken financial markets and created perhaps the greatest challenge yet for China’s leader, Xi Jinping. The crisis could upend Mr. Xi’s agenda for months or longer, even undermining his vision of a political system that offers security and growth in return for submission to iron-fisted authoritarianism.

On the last day of 2019, after Dr. Li’s message was shared outside the group, the authorities focused on controlling the narrative. The police announced that they were investigating eight people for spreading rumors about the outbreak.

That same day, Wuhan’s health commission, its hand forced by those “rumors,” announced that 27 people were suffering from pneumonia of an unknown cause. Its statement said there was no need to be alarmed.

“The disease is preventable and controllable,” the statement said.

Dr. Li, an ophthalmologist, went back to work after being reprimanded. On Jan. 10, he treated a woman for glaucoma. He did not know she had already been infected with the coronavirus, probably by her daughter. They both became sick. So would he.

Re my previous post, linked is the correct page of the NEJM on successful treatments.

Note that CCP has only touted just a few patients who supposedly have completely recovered.

Interesting r553. How quickly could that unapproved antiviral be fast-tracked through the FDA, and how quickly could it be manufactured in large quantities? The wikipedia entry said it had some success against ebola as well, of all things.

Hu Xiaohu, who sold processed pork in the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, sensed by late December that something was amiss. Workers were coming down with nagging fevers. No one knew why but, Mr. Hu said, several were in hospital quarantine.

The market occupies much of a block in a newer part of the city, sitting incongruously near apartment buildings and shops catering to the growing middle class. It is a warren of stalls selling meats, poultry and fish, as well as more exotic fare, including live reptiles and wild game that some in China prize as delicacies. According to a report by the city’s center for disease control, sanitation was dismal, with poor ventilation and garbage piled on wet floors.

In hospitals, doctors and nurses were puzzled to see a cluster of patients with symptoms of a viral pneumonia that did not respond to the usual treatments. They soon noticed that many patients had one thing in common: They worked in Huanan market.

On Jan. 1, police officers showed up at the market, along with public health officials, and shut it down. Xinhua news agency reported that the market was undergoing renovation, but that morning, workers in hazmat suits moved in, washing out stalls and spraying disinfectants.

Hu Xiaohu, who sold processed pork in the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, sensed by late December that something was amiss. Workers were coming down with nagging fevers. No one knew why but, Mr. Hu said, several were in hospital quarantine.

The market occupies much of a block in a newer part of the city, sitting incongruously near apartment buildings and shops catering to the growing middle class. It is a warren of stalls selling meats, poultry and fish, as well as more exotic fare, including live reptiles and wild game that some in China prize as delicacies. According to a report by the city’s center for disease control, sanitation was dismal, with poor ventilation and garbage piled on wet floors.

In hospitals, doctors and nurses were puzzled to see a cluster of patients with symptoms of a viral pneumonia that did not respond to the usual treatments. They soon noticed that many patients had one thing in common: They worked in Huanan market.

On Jan. 1, police officers showed up at the market, along with public health officials, and shut it down. Xinhua news agency reported that the market was undergoing renovation, but that morning, workers in hazmat suits moved in, washing out stalls and spraying disinfectants.

City officials struck optimistic notes in their announcements. They suggested they had stopped the virus at its source. The cluster of illnesses was limited. There was no evidence the virus spread between humans.

“Projecting optimism and confidence, if you don’t have the data, is a very dangerous strategy,” said Alexandra Phelan, a faculty research instructor in the department of microbiology and immunology at Georgetown University.

“It undermines the legitimacy of the government in messaging,” she added. “And public health is dependent on public trust.”

Nine days after the market closed, a man who shopped there regularly became the first fatality of the disease, according to a report by the Wuhan Health Commission, the agency that oversees public health and sanitation. The 61-year-old, identified by his last name, Zeng, already had chronic liver disease and a tumor in his abdomen, and had checked into Wuhan Puren Hospital with a raging fever and difficulty breathing.

The authorities disclosed the man’s death two days after it happened. They did not mention a crucial detail in understanding the course of the epidemic. Mr. Zeng’s wife had developed symptoms five days after he did.

She had never visited the market.

Because of a Descovy prescription that I fill but don't use, I have a few months' worth in medicine cabinet. I wonder if it could work against 2019-nCoV like other protease inhibitors seem to.

About 20 miles from the market, scientists at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were studying samples from the patients checking into the city’s hospitals. One of the scientists, Zheng-Li Shi, was part of the team that tracked down the origins of the SARS virus, which emerged in the southern province of Guangdong in 2002.

As the public remained largely in the dark about the virus, she and her colleagues quickly pieced together that the new outbreak was related to SARS. The genetic composition suggested a common initial host: bats. The SARS epidemic began when a coronavirus jumped from bats to Asian palm civets, a catlike creature that is legally raised and consumed. It was likely that this new coronavirus had followed a similar path — possibly somewhere in or on the way to the Huanan market or another market like it.

Around the same time, Dr. Li and other medical professionals in Wuhan started trying to provide warnings to colleagues and others when the government did not. Lu Xiaohong, the head of gastroenterology at City Hospital No. 5, told China Youth Daily that she had heard by Dec. 25 that the disease was spreading among medical workers — a full three weeks before the authorities would acknowledge the fact. She did not go public with her concerns, but privately warned a school near another market.

By the first week of January, the emergency ward in Hospital No. 5 was filling; the cases included members of the same family, making it clear that the disease was spreading through human contact, which the government had said was not likely.

No one realized, the doctor said, that it was as serious as it would become until it was too late to stop it.

“I realized that we had underestimated the enemy,” she said.

At the Institute of Virology, Dr. Shi and her colleagues isolated the genetic sequence and the viral strain during the first week of January. They used samples from seven of the first patients, six of them vendors at the market.

On Jan. 7, the institute’s scientists gave the new coronavirus its identity and began referring to it by the technical shorthand 2019-nCoV. Four days later, the team shared the virus’s genetic makeup in a public database for scientists everywhere to use.

That allowed scientists around the world to study the virus and swiftly share their findings. As the scientific community moved quickly to devise a test for exposure, political leaders remained reluctant to act.

As the virus spread in early January, the mayor of Wuhan, Zhou Xianwang, was touting futuristic health care plans for the city.

It was China’s political season, when officials gather for annual meetings of People’s Congresses — the Communist Party-run legislatures that discuss and praise policies. It is not a time for bad news.

When Mr. Zhou delivered his annual report to the city’s People’s Congress on Jan. 7 against a backdrop of bright red national flags, he promised the city top-class medical schools, a World Health Expo, and a futuristic industry park for medical companies. Not once did he or any other city or provincial leader publicly mention the viral outbreak.

“Stressing politics is always No. 1,” the governor of Hubei, Wang Xiaodong, told officials on Jan. 17, citing Mr. Xi’s precepts of top-down obedience. “Political issues are at any time the most fundamental major issues.”

Shortly after, Wuhan went ahead with a massive annual potluck banquet for 40,000 families from a city precinct, which critics later cited as evidence that local leaders took the virus far too lightly.

As the congress was taking place, the health commission’s daily updates on the outbreak said again and again that there were no new cases of infection, no firm evidence of human transmission and no infection of medical workers.

“We knew this was not the case!” said a complaint later filed with the National Health Commission on a government website. The anonymous author said he was a doctor in Wuhan and described a surge in unusual chest illnesses beginning Jan. 12.

Officials told doctors at a top city hospital “don’t use the words viral pneumonia on the image reports,” according to the complaint, which has since been removed. People were complacent, “thinking that if the official reports had nothing, then we were exaggerating,” the doctor explained.

Even those stricken felt lulled into complacency.

When Dong Guanghe developed a fever on Jan. 8 in Wuhan, his family was not alarmed, his daughter said. He was treated in the hospital and sent home. Then, 10 days later, Mr. Dong’s wife fell ill with similar symptoms.

“The news said nothing about the severity of the epidemic,” said the daughter, Dong Mingjing. “I thought that my dad had a common cold.”

The government’s efforts to minimize public disclosure persuaded more than just untrained citizens.

“If there are no new cases in the next few days, the outbreak is over,” Guan Yi, a respected professor of infectious diseases at the University of Hong Kong, said on Jan. 15.

The World Health Organization’s statements during this period echoed the reassuring words of Chinese officials.

It had spread. Thailand reported the first confirmed case outside China on Jan. 13.

The first deaths and the spread of the disease abroad appeared to grab the attention of the top authorities in Beijing. The national government dispatched Zhong Nanshan, a renowned and now-semiretired epidemiologist who was instrumental in the fight against SARS, to Wuhan to assess the situation.

He arrived on Jan. 18, just as the tone of local officials was shifting markedly. A health conference in Hubei Province that day called on medical workers to make the disease a priority. An internal document from Wuhan Union Hospital warned its employees that the coronavirus could be spread through saliva.

On Jan. 20, more than a month after the first symptoms spread, the current of anxiety that had been steadily gaining strength exploded into public. Dr. Zhong announced in an interview on state television that there was no doubt that the coronavirus spread with human contact. Worse, one patient had infected at least 14 medical personnel.

Mr. Xi, fresh from a state visit to Myanmar, made his first public statement about the outbreak, issuing a brief set of instructions.

It was only with the order from Mr. Xi that the bureaucracy leapt into action. At that point the death toll was three; in the next 11 days, it would rise above 200.

In Wuhan, the city banned tour groups from visiting. Residents began pulling on masks.

Guan Yi, the Hong Kong expert who had earlier voiced optimism that the outbreak could level off, was now alarmed. He dropped by one of the city’s other food markets and was shocked by the complacency, he said. He told city officials that the epidemic was “already beyond control” and would leave. “I hurriedly booked a departure,” Dr. Guan told Caixin, a Chinese news organization.

Two days later, the city announced that it was shutting itself down, a move that could only have been approved by Beijing.

In Wuhan, many residents said they did not grasp the gravity of the epidemic until the lockdown. The mass alarm that officials feared at the start became a reality, heightened by the previous paucity of information.

Crowds of people crushed the airport and train stations to get out before the deadline fell on the morning of Jan. 23. Hospitals were packed with people desperate to know if they, too, were infected.

“We didn’t wear masks at work. That would have frightened off customers,” Yu Haiyan, a waitress from rural Hubei, said of the days before the shutdown. “When they closed off Wuhan, only then did I think, ‘Oh, this is really serious, this is not some average virus.’”

Wuhan’s mayor, Zhou Xianwang, later took responsibility for the delay in reporting the scale of the epidemic, but said he was hampered by the national law on infectious diseases. That law allows provincial governments to declare an epidemic only after receiving central government approval. “After I receive information, I can only release it when I’m authorized,” he said.

The official reflex for suppressing discomforting information now appears to be cracking, as officials at various levels seek to shift blame for the government’s response.

“It might have been a better way to prevent and control the new coronavirus today if the public had believed the ‘rumor’ then and started to wear masks and carry out sanitary measures and avoid the wild animal market,” the commentary said.

Dr. Li is 34 and has a child. He and his wife are expecting a second in the summer. He is now recovering from the virus in the hospital where he worked. In an interview via text messages, he said he felt aggrieved by the police actions.

“If the officials had disclosed information about the epidemic earlier,” he said, “I think it would have been a lot better. There should be more openness and transparency.”

This article is based on reporting and research by Elsie Chen, Sheri Fink, Claire Fu, Javier Hernandez, Zoe Mou, Amy Qin, Knvul Sheikh, Amber Wang, Yiwei Wang, Sui-Lee Wee, Li Yuan, Albee Zhang and Raymond Zhong.

With the crisis worsening, Dr. Li’s efforts are no longer viewed as reckless. A commentary on the social media account of the Supreme People’s Court criticized the police for investigating people for circulating rumors.

[quote]How quickly could that unapproved antiviral be fast-tracked through the FDA, [bold]and how quickly could it be manufactured in large quantities? [/bold]

The tragic reality is the country most capable of manufacturing this quickly and in large quantities, is the one that's most crippled by the virus.

R564, Other countries working full-speed on a cure like Romania and Australia will get it on the market faster.

VACCINE announced.

NaturalNews! Now all we need is AboveTopSecret for the trifecta.

Re my previous post,

Virus is based on SARS. Been waiting on SARS virus for 17 years.

There isn’t even a vaccine for SARS, MERS, or the common cold which can be caused by Coronavirus.

How to they have a vaccine if it keeps mutating?

These reports are just whoring for investment money. The SARS vaccine never materialized as it caused injury. It cost $200 - $500 million to bring a vaccine to market.

It's binary component of the first part that is barely lethal.

Until the get the infections below R1 , they are only guessing at what strain might develop as a result of rapid mutations.. Making Vaccines all but useless.. Unless they make some really well educated guesses from lab mice..

It might be wise to start stockpiling your antiretrovirals. If you're not already on Truvada or Descovy for PrEP, get a prescription and save your pills. They might help with 2019-nCoV (coronavirus), especially if Chinese pharmaceutical manufacturers stop producing for a while. Giliead produces in the US, Canada, and Ireland (though that doesn't mean the flow of raw materials coming from China won't be interrupted).

R567, Natural News is seeking clicks and more viewers, so obviously they're going to run a legit newsworthy story and jump on a very hot topic. Not saying 99.99% of the rest of their articles aren't garbage. Use discernment.

If you read my 2nd post it's clear that Natural News quoted a much more legitimate health news media source.

Or you could wait for the New York Times to pick up the story, almost 2 weeks after everyone GLP already knows the same information.

I doubt they will be able to come up with a vaccine, just like they never came up with a vaccine for the common cold.

Linked is the corrected source from where Natural News got all of their info. I'm sure you'll find this source much more legitimate.

Continuing from my previous post, Uncanny similarity of unique inserts in the 2019-nCoV spike protein to HIV-1 gp120 and Gag out of University of Delhi, India

The race is on to develop a new vaccine for novel coronavirus, and leading the pack is Professor Yuen Kwok-yung and his team from the University of Hong Kong (H.K.U.), which reportedly already developed a vaccine that’s just awaiting testing.

The chair of infectious diseases at H.K.U., Yuen told reporters that he and his colleagues were able to isolate the new virus from his city’s first imported case, and transform it into a vaccine that, upon being tested and approved, can be publicly released.

“We have already produced the vaccine, but it will take a long time to test on animals,”

National Institutes of Health also working on a coronavirus vaccine

The Navy Times is also reporting that the National Institutes of Health (N.I.H.) is involved in developing a vaccine for novel coronavirus, using similar methods of Yuen.

With the recent announcement by U.S. authorities about plans to fast-track a coronavirus vaccine into human trials within three months, the expectation, according to one expert, is that the soonest the world could see a coronavirus vaccine is one year.

Remember the first time the swine flu came in the 1970's and they made a vaccine really fast for it. Nearly 100% of those that got the vaccine died from swine flu shortly after it. I'm sure it will be different this time around, right?

Once someone has recovered naturally they have the antibodies for it in their system. Then you grow them. It used to be a well known practice in a nation behind an Iron Curtain. You took body parts, put them in an incubator and injected them with what you wanted to cure. Later you recovered the antibodies and used them as the cure.

After the Iron Curtain fell those labs were destroyed by agents of the western pharmaceutical corporations as those cure were too cheap for them to sell and hard to patent.

They claim some people are at risk for reinfection due to losing antibodies after a short time...

The last I heard, from a John Hopkins doc, was that NIH was 3 months away from having one. Having one and it being safe and effective and keyed to the current mutation...those aren't the same thing.

The Navy Times is also reporting that the National Institutes of Health (N.I.H.) is involved in developing a vaccine for novel coronavirus, using similar methods of Yuen.

Makes sense, they can’t develop efficacious vaccines for animal Coronas either that are systemic or respiratory. Feline FIP - no vaccine that works......bovine respiratory corona - no vaccine at all.

""When Mr. Zhou delivered his annual report to the city’s People’s Congress on Jan. 7 against a backdrop of bright red national flags, he promised the city top-class medical schools, a World Health Expo, and a futuristic industry park for medical companies. Not once did he or any other city or provincial leader publicly mention the viral outbreak. “Stressing politics is always No. 1,” the governor of Hubei, Wang Xiaodong, told officials on Jan. 17, citing Mr. Xi’s precepts of top-down obedience. “Political issues are at any time the most fundamental major issues""

Thank you R555. The NYTimes is still capable of doing great work. Sad that they so often choose not to.

r564 that's a good thing. These urgency and the chinese govt. isn't screwing around. They'll do whatever it takes to solve teh problem even if it falls into a morally gray or black area.

BNO Newsroom@BNODesk NEW: American tourist in Vietnam diagnosed with coronavirus after transit through Wuhan Airport on January 15

Plus 2 new diagnoses at Kent State.

Much more info at above Twitter link.

To add to China's trouble..."Chinese authorities are culling thousands of chickens after an outbreak of the highly pathogenic H5N1 strain of bird flu in Hunan Province, which neighbors the coronavirus-hit province of Hubei."

Coronavirus update:

- 14,550 confirmed cases worldwide

- 19,544 suspected cases

- 304 fatalities

- 2,110 in serious/critical condition

- 328 in China treated and released

- Biggest daily increase so far

- 24 countries reporting cases

Funny how they can “rush” this vaccine for a disease alleged to be highly similar to HIV, but yet over 30 years later only treatments and PrEP for HIV/AIDS. Like Chris Rock said “they ain’t curing shit, ain’t no money in the cure”... unless everyone worldwide is about to croak.

Ozone Generators kill ALL germs in the air and on surfaces. Just make sure to read ALL the instructions and warnings.

Fake news to try to take away China as the successor as the world power from the US

We have 20 posts to come up with ideas for part III thread titles.

Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding@DrEricDing 4) I just read this NEJM CDC case report of deeper- it’s Table 2 on the RT PCR test actually was interesting. They consistently picked up positive test with nose swab, but other fluids were quite inconsistent. Hope they standardize the sampling worldwide.

Much info on this Twitter Page. Please read.

r489 is wrong about everything. And no one fucking actually spits out their drink unless they're retarded.

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Part 3 for when this one fills up.

Check out the exact subject matter of this research paper from a Chinese virologist and the date he wrote it. More than a coincidence?

here's my offering for the sequel title -- Coronavirus Freakout 3: Wuhan Ban and the Chan Clan

I would just call it [italic]Your SSDI Dollars at Work[/italic].

Coronavirus Freakout 3: Big Trouble in Little China

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