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The ballad of Diane Ballard

She couldn't handle her boys, booze or guns.....and met an untimely end!

Sometimes those marvelous Midwestern towns have a seedy underbelly, you know.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 272a day ago

I always loved her character!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 111/14/2019

I feel like two actresses from that time period have morphed into Donna Love. Sofia Landon with very big hair during one of her two stints as Donna. She would have been fabulous over Philece Sampler, but nobody can do Donna like Anna Stuart!

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 211/14/2019

I totally forgot about that character. She was fantastic

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 311/14/2019

Back in the good ol' days where you could expect a character like this to stir shit up for a while and then get their just desserts.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 411/14/2019

"Guiding Light" had a lot of very good actors on at the time. I was a teen, but not so much into Kelly & Morgan (him yes, her eew.....). Around the same time that Diane was killed off, they wrote out Barbara, Adam, Andy & right after Diane, Joe. I believe that Adam simply faded into the woodwork even though still being married to Sara who remained on for another year (in a minor capacity, supporting Carrie Todd's story). But Geraldine Court was phenomenal as Jennifer Richards, almost topping her performance as Anne Larimer on "The Doctors".

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 511/14/2019

I was REAL into Kelly Nelson!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 611/14/2019

Was Diane Ballard a resident of Bay City or Springfield?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 711/15/2019

She was Alan Spaulding's secretary on Guiding Light.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 811/15/2019

Thanks, r8. That was before my time (1988 or '89).

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 911/15/2019

R7 Actress Sofia Landon crossed through Bay City twice, first as Jennifer Thatcher, who thought that her son Kevin was actually hers by birth. Her husband David (Lewis Arlt) impregnated both her and Sally Frame at the same time and when Jennifer's baby died, switched it with Sally's. This all took place during a time when Sally was out of town. Jennifer and David moved to Bay City in mid 1983, Jennifer befriended Donna Love who had found out about what happened and arranged for Jennifer to meet Sally, then cruely told Sally that Jennifer's son, Kevin (who was with her in the Love mansion) was actually hers. Jennifer found out about David's affair and the baby switch and sped off with David, hiding out at a relative's. They killed her off in a quick, unexpected car accident. I had hoped that Jennifer would be a long-term character. Years later, when Sofia was writing for "AW", they needed a sub for Anna Stuart who had to take off a month for medical issues. Realizing that they highly resembled each other, the casting directors convinced Sofia to step in, and she was very good. She returned once again two years later, and it was not jolting at all, especially considering the Philece Sampler fiasco.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 1011/15/2019

I started watching in '83 (I think?) when Quentin McCord (?) and Nola were a thing. I really missed out...

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 1111/15/2019

"Back in the good ol' days where you could expect a character like this to stir shit up for a while and then get their just desserts."

Yes, R4, redemption can be a good thing on a soap, but somewhere in the Nineties they started taking it too far. Pretty soon you had at least one rapist running around every soap town planning romantic dinners with the heroine or gushing about the life-changing birth of his first child.

But maybe I should have said "somewhere in the Eighties" because when I think about it, it was really Josh Snyder/Rod Landry on ATWT that got the ball rolling. No one loves Marland more than I do, but that redemption was disturbing and wrong.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 1211/15/2019

[quote] it was really Josh Snyder/Rod Landry on ATWT that got the ball rolling

Um, hello? (from The Netherlands)

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 1311/15/2019

You are of course correct as far as ALL soaps, R13, but I referred to the first redeemed rapist on a P&G soap because this is a P&G thread. (Now here's the part where we argue about whether and when John Dixon and Roger Thorpe were redeemed.)

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 1411/15/2019

With John Dixon, I can almost see a redemption, because it was marital rape, and you could perhaps say it was a misunderstanding between two married people (not at all to minimize the violence and ugliness behind that).

But the thing about Roger was that 1989 GL forgot that Roger hadn't just raped Holly. He also raped Rita and Peggy. They swept that under the rug, unfortunately. (And that was probably a big reason why Rita was never brought back to the canvas.) I loved Roger and Holly (and Zaslow and Garrett) but that story was more disturbing for what they omitted.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 1511/15/2019

Darlings, we're not behind The Wall already, are we?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 1611/18/2019

Oh, ORD. It's that darned Lucinda Walsh. She started a thread entitled "Celebrating the holidays in Bay City, Oakdale and Springfield" later the same day that you started this one. We are not behind the paywall—I would not be posting if we were—but five will get you ten not as many of us are as familiar with Diane Ballard as we are with that old Lucy.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 1711/18/2019

Thanks, Lisa. Had no idea.

That damn ole Lucy!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 1811/18/2019

Since the other thread is paywalled, I thought I'd see about rebooting this one.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 1912/01/2019

Oh, that's an idea.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 2012/01/2019

It would help if a paying member linked this thread on the celebrating the holidays thread.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 2112/01/2019

Diane had a big ol’ schnozz.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 2202/23/2021

^ Ugh...did I unmute spicen?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 2302/23/2021

I ain’t Spicen, just layin’ out the facts.

Her big schnozz always distracted me. Good actress, though.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 2402/23/2021

Dumb dylan is stupider than rocks. lolololol what a dummy

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 2502/23/2021

R23 Let's just continue to shun That Thing, shall we?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 2602/23/2021

From the end of the last thread.....we were talking about Tangie Hill.

Whatever for? Not sure! But we were.

I was so bored by both GL and ATWT that year. GL was so bland and ATWT was stumbling after Marland died.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 2702/23/2021

Casting big stars so closely identified with their roles on other networks’ shows was a big mistake. I never saw Paul Stenbeck, I only saw Todd Manning from OLTL.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 2802/23/2021

[quote] I never saw Paul Stenbeck, I only saw Todd Manning from OLTL.

Podd

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 2902/23/2021

Vee facilitated Howarth’s jump from ABC to P&G. He’s in the biz, you know.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 3002/23/2021

1993 was the beginning of the end for P&G soaps. That's when Ed Trach retired as the P&G executive who oeversaw their soaps.

Kenneth Fitts initially replaced him as head of production, but he did a poor job. Then in 1996, Mary Alice Dwyer-Dobbin was hired and she did an equally poor job.

Also in that same 1993ish time frame -- Marland died, AW changed HWs (after several stable years of Donna Swajeski writing from Harding Lemay's Bible), JFP killed off Maureen Bauer and brought in Justin Deas to eat the show.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 3102/23/2021

So true, Liz.

And that had an immediate impact - all the things you mentioned, plus GL was shoved into morning timeslots in several markets in the country, the first of several cuts that would eventually kill it.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 3202/23/2021

ORD - fuck off! You annoy the fuck out of us.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 3302/24/2021

PG soaps started to die when they stopped wanting to be PG soaps. PG soaps were always in their own little bubbles. They were the last soaps to abandon organ music and always were a little old fashioned and less glitzy than the other shows, which was part of the charm. Then some executive in Cincinnati saw an episode of GH and did a bunch of changes that wrecked those poor shows. "Remove the "the!" "Give our guys perms!" "Shorten those scenes!"

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 3402/24/2021

R34 Yup.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 3502/24/2021

[quote]PG soaps were always in their own little bubbles.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 3602/24/2021

That McKinsey interview is so fascinating to me.

And a bit sad. She was clearly hoping for a career reboot - not without good reason, as she'd had lead billing in a show and was featured in Bronco Billy.

Then her husband became ill, and she had to give that up and get back to work. That's heavy stuff.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 3702/24/2021

[quote]And that had an immediate impact - all the things you mentioned, plus GL was shoved into morning timeslots in several markets in the country, the first of several cuts that would eventually kill it.

And New York City was one of them, IIRC. That had to hurt especially since that was where they actually taped it.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 3802/24/2021

Wie auch immer....

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 3902/24/2021

My heart bleeds for McKunty. She had to work 3-4 days a week and only get 8 weeks of vacation a year. Wah wah wah. She was an entitled bitch. Karma sure as fuck got her! To top it off, between AW,/Texas and GL, she worked about 15 years with that entitled schedule. Think about the actusl hard working people who work an actual 5 day work week with 2 weeks off a year for 40 plus years. It doesn’t compare to the whiny bitch.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 4002/24/2021

As if you have a heart, nutbag.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 4102/24/2021

ANYWAY, the grownups are speaking.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 4202/24/2021

Sofia Landon looks like both Anna Stuart and Victoria Wyndham. She could have played Pammy Davis or a long lost Love daughter.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 4302/24/2021

Pam Davis would have been a great character for the show to revisit.

It's one thing for Rachel to act all high and mighty around the Frames, but it would be quite another if her own sister - loud, brassy, gum chewing tart - was under her nose constantly.

Sort of Hyancith vs Rose, if you will - lady of the manor who's forgotten her beginnings and her slutty younger sister.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 4402/24/2021

Justine should have been Pammy, but known as Pamela. She should have been Spencer Harrison's wife and Carl's obsession... all of this should have been unknown to Rachel. Miss opportunity, but I get that most writers don't like to delve too deeply into the past.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 4502/24/2021

There's also supposedly some monetary thing if a writer uses a character created by someone else.

I've heard conflicting bits about whether this is true or not. But that would explain the reasoning sometimes behind using or not using a character.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 4602/24/2021

Philece Sampler would have been a good Pamela.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 4702/24/2021

I love it!!! Deflect when you idolize the dead bitch. Facts are facts and you can’t handle them so you deflect. The entitled cunt was never over worked. Ever. After leaving Texas because she was over worked, she knew god damned well what she was getting into at GL. Compkain complain complain. The bitch was never happy. There is a pattern there with her compkaining about working too hard but any commoner would jump at the chance to have her work history. Fucking cunt.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 4802/24/2021

And then using the system to get health insurance. She’s a piece of work.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 4902/24/2021

Philece is in the same category as John Bolger re: Philip at GL.

I liked Philece, she's talented, but she was just not Donna.

I would have loved what John was doing on GL, he had chemistry to burn with MKA, and in some ways he captured the sort of arrogant richie-rich vibes that the Spauldings have very well. But Grant had made Phillip his. John should have been cast as some Spaulding cousin. Or Alan's lover. LOL

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 5002/24/2021

Philece was great as Renee on Days, as Donna it just didn't work. Does anyone know any behind the scenes info about why Anna Stuart left the show? It's probably been discussed and I missed it.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 5102/24/2021

R51 According to her We Love Soaps interview with Damon Jacobs, she left for the reasons so many NYC based actors did: to try to land TV or film work in California.

Damon's interviews were always really good. There are multiple parts to this one, and most of the others.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 5202/24/2021

[post]I would have loved what John was doing on GL, he had chemistry to burn with MKA, and in some ways he captured the sort of arrogant richie-rich vibes that the Spauldings have very well. But Grant had made Phillip his. John should have been cast as some Spaulding cousin. Or Alan's lover. LOL

I would have loved to see John Bolger as a recast Dr. Rick Bauer. Rick Bauer should have been a stud, not a doughy wimp like Michael O'Leary.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 5302/24/2021

Rick was just such a meh, limp character.

He was the grandson of Bill Bauer and son of Ed, and should have been more than he was. But he ended up just being Phillip's shadow. I can't think of a single thing about Rick, beyond him chasing Mindy, that really stuck out over the years.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 5402/24/2021

I loved Michael O'Leary as Rick, though it is true to say that Rick was usually in Philip's shadow. I know others hated this pairing, but I absolutely loved Rick and Abby and desperately wanted Abby to step into the matriarch role. But the actress had other ideas.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 5502/24/2021

My”sources” tell me that McKunty averaged 100 episodes a year on GL. Overworked, my ass. Imagine having to work 100 days a year!!! Blasphemy! Oh for us mortals to be over worked for 100 days a year.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 5602/24/2021

Diane Ballard? Which Supreme was she? The bitch who sang lead and went solo or the one who got fired and then died?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 5702/24/2021

The cunt who was NEVER over worked.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 5802/24/2021

Rick and Mel didn’t exactly set the show on fire, either. I agree about Bolger. I think Rick should have been studly like Philip so there would always be more of an even playing field between them. Of course that was the intent with the first Rick but unfortunately a purse dropped every time he opened his mouth.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 5902/24/2021

Hey! I worked hard, too!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 6002/24/2021

I was the better Alex.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 6102/24/2021

I worked the longest days and hours as Alex.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 6202/24/2021

We work the hardest in all of Springfield!

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 6302/24/2021

[quote] Of course that was the intent with the first Rick but unfortunately a purse dropped every time he opened his mouth.

I can't remember ever seeing him. Is there a YT clip featuring Pursealina?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 6402/24/2021

I liked Phil MacGregor as Rick a lot. I wouldn't say there were purses falling out of his mouth, but he never projected a macho man image either

Phil was cast as the SORASed Freddie Bauer (renamed Rick) around the same time they cast Grant as the SORASed Phillip.

Just from the casting of those two alone, Rick was always going to play second fiddle to Phillip. And all the subsequent writing held that up too.

Phil MacGregor was only on the show for six months before they recast him with Michael O'Leary. I've never stumbled across GL episodes from that early 1983 period before.

In fact, the only GL video I've ever seen that included MacGregor was the poor quality Christmas 1982 episode that was posted on a P&G thread not too long ago. The show featured the entire cast celebrating Christmas. MacGregor was in the background in a few scenes and had a few lines.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 6502/24/2021

I must commend people on reviving a two-year old thread. Very smart.

However, since the thread watcher no longer works, you have to search for this thread to find it. But the thread is so old, even when you search by the exact title, you still get a message saying "no recent post found."

The only way I'm find this thread is by going to the previous Rachel thread and clicking on the link provided to this one.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 6602/24/2021

We're sneaky like that, Liz!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 6702/24/2021

R65, McGregor was brought on at EXACTLY the same time as Aleksander. Both boys had been expelled fron Lincoln Prep and shipped back to Springfield.

OK, maybe he wasn’t all THAT nelly but he was certainly a totally inept actor. Now Sean whatsisname, one of the Harts-a whole platoon of purses fell out whenever he opened HIS mouth.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 6802/24/2021

Phillip had the more interesting story to play. Maybe a way to make Rick more interesting was to do a repeat of the Ed/Bill story and have Rick/Ed constantly at odds. Ed was a drunk and used to beat his mom.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 6902/24/2021

That’s not the backstory I chose to use!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 7002/24/2021

R68 yes, I was about to mention him.

I was crashing with an older friend and coworker for a while at the time he was on, and watched a scene with him one day - Hart and Julie I think. My friend roared with laughter.

"Are we supposed to believe Miss Mary is into HER? He's a big girl!"

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 7102/24/2021

“You can’t own someone you don’t have, Dylan” was one of Nelly Hart’s lines. So funny.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 7202/24/2021

I want that Dylan Lewis in me quite deeply.

And his uncle Jarsh too.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 7302/24/2021

Sean McDermot's nelly Hart was only on the show for two months in Aug-Oct 1993 to finish up the Hart storyline after Leonard Stabb's hang gliding accident. After that, they wrote Hart off for two years.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 7402/24/2021

Marj Dusay logged about 130 episodes on GL in 1994 as Alex. 30 ish more than McKunty. I don’t recall Marj complaining about being over worked. Some people complain about everything! I loved Marj as Alexandra. She even got an Emmy nomination as Alex, where as the cunty cunt who complained about everything never got an Emmy nomination.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 7502/24/2021

And if he wasn’t so nelly he might have stayed a LOT longer.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 7602/24/2021

Phil MacGregor/Grant Alexsander scene.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 7702/25/2021

Purses fell out of MacGregor’s mouth.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 7802/25/2021

The dialogue the scene at R77 sounds like bad gay porn.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 7902/25/2021

I have thoughts. I had never seen that Rick before. Maybe my gay spidey senses are off, but I didn't hear any purses in that particular clip. That actor actually looks the part, better than O'Leary -- more believable as the Ed and Leslie's son.

Finally, what was that thing Josh was typing on?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 8002/25/2021

In my fantasy world, I wanted to be Diane and Alan’s love child.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 8102/25/2021

R80 That was my thought too. He looks like Peter Simon's Ed's son, anyway.

Interesting to see a pre Reva Josh.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 8202/25/2021

Josh was a bad guy pre-Reva. An ambitious bastard, sort of what Ross was like before he got de-fanged.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 8302/25/2021

Will you Vee in da biz trolls just FUCKING STOP ALREADY. It was never fucking funny now you're getting on my last nerve!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 8402/25/2021

Was the set in that clip the same that became the carriage house that Ross lived in?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 8502/25/2021

R84 It's mentally ill - just FF and block. Speaking to it or engaging it in any way is useless.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 8602/25/2021

[quote] Was the set in that clip the same that became the carriage house that Ross lived in?

I thought that was the set that used to be Reva Bend.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 8702/25/2021

That definitely looked like the carriage house set that Ross and Carrie Marler lived in.

Ross, Josh and Amanda were business partners in LTA (Los Tres Amigos), so perhaps they were working out of Ross's house. Don't recall what kind of business LTA was, but they were all partners.

The Reva Bend set didn't even debut until late 1985 or early 1986.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 8802/25/2021

I didn't notice any purses falling out of Phil MacGregor's mouth in that scene either.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 8902/25/2021

Vee will not be ignored! He’s in the biz, you know.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 9002/26/2021

[quote]Was the set in that clip the same that became the carriage house that Ross lived in?

Wasn't it originally the carriage house that Ben and little blind Evie moved into on the Wexler Estate?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 9102/26/2021

I may be confusing Ross and Carrie's carriage house with the house where he and Blake eventually lived.

Thanks for setting us straight, Liz!

I did miss a lot of the 80s sets. Reva Bend always seemed so homey and so Reva. And that was the era where I really felt the Spaulding Mansion was at its best.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 9202/26/2021

Since we're on GL. I came across the Hall of Mirrors/Enough is Enough episode on Youtube last night. What happened to Rita? Did she leave town or was she murdered or something? Was the character dropped when the show switched focus to become Texas?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 9302/26/2021

[quote] Was the character dropped when the show switched focus to become Texas?

Huh?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 9402/26/2021

No, Rita left well before Pam Long came on as head writer and brought over her friends from the show Texas.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 9502/26/2021

Rita was written out not long after Roger "died" - Holly was, too. That was 1980.

Pam Long arrived in March 1983.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 9602/26/2021

Rita last appeared on June 30, 1981 when she boarded an airplane for parts unknown,

So, Marland wrote for the character for her final 18 months on the show.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 9702/26/2021

I didn't understand Rita. Was she a bad girl turned good girl? Was she a floozy? The show revolved around her for a bit.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 9802/26/2021

Rita was a sexy beast.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 9902/26/2021

Yes the carriage house was on the Wexler estate and Ross lived in it with Carrie and the Blake up until his death.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 10002/26/2021

Rita was a slut.

See from 18:00 for my heart to heart with her!

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 10102/26/2021

For the Soap Opera Network sluts: whoever Kirk B is ——— Thank you thank you thank you thank you! Soapsuds is a FAT pervert in his 50’s who lives with his parents. He’s fugly. And lives off his parents tit. Thank you Kirk B. I love you.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 10202/26/2021

[quote]Bert Bauer's Good Leg

Best name ever. 🤣😁😂

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 10302/26/2021

R103 I use it as a signature every so often.

It was the name of a thread a while back. It just fits!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 10402/26/2021

I don’t think some of you realize how hard it can be on a soap, especially back in the days where they had big budgets and could afford tons of overtime.

Actors would get their scripts a few days before taping. If you’re heavy in the day, that’s a lot to memorize. (And if you’re heavy in multiple successive days, it’s that much harder because you’re juggling multiple scripts.)

Your call is around 7, and you block the first scene, run it once, then block the second, etc. Then after hair and makeup you get on the soundstage and run through your first scene then shoot it, then second scene, etc. It’s not so bad if you’re a minor character but a lot for those carrying major story.

A major character like Alex will typically shoot both morning and afternoon sessions and the pm session often extends until 8 or later.

It’s actually pretty grueling just to get through it, let alone deliver a great performance.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 10502/26/2021

R105 That poster is mentally ill. They've posted over a dozen posts about the overwork comment. Ignore them and FF/block.

Most of us do know and understand the challenges (since some of us have actually worked on shows or been on sets).

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 10602/26/2021

[quote]I didn't understand Rita. Was she a bad girl turned good girl? Was she a floozy? The show revolved around her for a bit.

Rita was ... complicated. In the best way. She definitely wasn't a floozy. And she wasn't altogether bad or good. She was just full of human foibles, good and bad. She was an awesome character.

The writing on GL during the Dobson era was exceptional. Marland was great too (although better on ATWT). There weren't a lot of dud stories or characters back then.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 10702/26/2021

Rita definitely wasn’t a bad girl. She was just bored with being fabulous in a dump like Springfield.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 10802/26/2021

She was with Ed, but it always like he was the default choice. It was as if she was looking for someone else or someone more exciting to show up and take her away. And Ed was always getting involved with women who I thought were using him as a safety.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 10902/26/2021

Why did Alan pick a dumpy frau like Hope when he could have had Rita?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 11002/26/2021

Wasn't Hope like 18 or 19 when she and Alan got together?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 11102/26/2021

No, she was older by then, more like 22 or 23. Elvera Roussel was in her mid 20s.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 11202/26/2021

I still find it amusing that the Alan and Hope on the beach story apparently had many a female viewer's loins ablaze.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 11302/26/2021

R105 Don’t go on a soap if you can’t memorize lines.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 11402/26/2021

Alan wasn't exactly the most masculine guy in the world, but I can see why the ladies at home ate this stuff up.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 11502/26/2021

Vee, who is in the biz, blocked Hope’s return during GL’s final years.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 11602/27/2021

STFU r116.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 11702/27/2021

Chris Berneau had presence, gravitas, that made him a believable leading man.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 11802/27/2021

Seeing those Chris Bernau clips leaves me scratching my head wondering how they could ever cast Ron Raines as Alan.

They were playing two completely different characters who both happened to be named Alan Spaulding.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 11902/27/2021

R118 he did, in the same way James Mitchell did. It's just hard rewatching now to not see his occasional bitchy/queeny moment.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 12002/27/2021

Bernau came across as a queeny queen. He had the aids.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 12102/27/2021

One of Grant's stories is about tormenting Chris - Grant came into a rehearsal and some actor (it may have been O'Leary) asked where he'd been last night and he said, "Oh, I was at [name of NYC gay bar known for muscle men and/or leather)." I guess Chris almost passed out right then and there, until he realized it was a joke.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 12202/27/2021

I just watched the Philip/Rick youtube video. Phil was cute as Rick, but way under performing opposite Grant's screen presence as Philip. Not sure about the purses though.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 12302/27/2021

I remember the scene where Phillip gave Rick a teddy bear or something....we all thought they were gonna fuck

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 12402/27/2021

No, R122, Bernau was standing with the actors Brian Murray and Ben Hendrickson (it was during the Tanquir storyline). All three actors were gay. Aleksander strolled by and said to Bernau “I’ll be napping in my dressing room, Chris. Had a hell of a night at The Anvil.” And he walked away leavimg Murray and Hendrickson with their jaws dropping and Bernau with a knowing smirk on his face-this wasn’t the first time Aleksander said stuff like that.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 12502/27/2021

R125 thanks for the correction. I knew it was something along those lines.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 12602/27/2021

I am being completely serious when I say this, but when I watch Chris Bernau I get Ben Masters as Julian Crane vibes. Ben was playing comedy and camp, but maybe Julian Crane was an homage to Bernau's Allen Spaulding.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 12702/27/2021

I often got Chris Bernau vibes off of Ben Masters as Julian on Passions, too.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 12802/27/2021

r125

that is funny!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 12902/27/2021

So many homos and lezzys on GL.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 13002/28/2021

Who's had Ben Masters?

He actually would have made for a far better Alan recast. The list of good Alan recasts was a long one, and Ron Raines was never on it. I somewhat enjoyed him with Cynthia Watros' Annie, and he and Grant had some sort of chemistry, but in most other storylines, he had one performance level - foghorn. Incapable of subtlety.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 13102/28/2021

Vee, who is in the biz, signed off on Ron Raines’s casting.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 13202/28/2021

Vee, the show runner of all remaining soaps, has a PR nightmare at GH these days. What will this Jewish guy do? Oye vey!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 13302/28/2021

anyway.....

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 13402/28/2021

I was never a big fan of Ron's Alan.

I suspect Ron Raines was capable of better performances if only the directors had reigned him in. Just like Marj Dusay. By the final decade of the show, his Alan was almost a cartoon character.

But the first couple of years he was on the show, especially when paired with Cynthia Watros, he was decent in the role.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 13502/28/2021

I think Ron Raines was way more a Billy Lewis or a Mike Bauer than an Alan Spaulding.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 13602/28/2021

Ron was a musical theater actor and never adjusted for TV. Ben Masters woud have made for a great Alan. Nicolas Coster would have been an interesting choice. Beverlee lobbied for Daniel Davis after Chris's death.

I also thought Mark LaMura would have made for an interesting Roger Thorpe recast if one was necessary, though by the time Zaslow died so many of us were so furious w/TPTB that any actor would have had an uphill battle.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 13702/28/2021

I’d never have accepted LaMura as Roger. He was way too identifiable as Mark on AMC.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 13802/28/2021

Maybe to you, but probably not to most CBS viewers.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 13902/28/2021

You're probably right, R138. But strictly from an actor's perspective, I think LaMura had some of Zaslow's ethnic looks, and the emotional complexity needed to play Roger.

(Not that Dennis Parlato was a bad actor....actually he would have made for a better Alan than a Roger!)

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 14002/28/2021

I seriously doubt that, R139. And he would have been very bad casting as Roger. LaMura was in no way right for that character.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 14102/28/2021

“I’d never accept Jed Allan as CC Capwell. He was way too identifiable as Don on DOOL.”

“I’d never accept Robin Strasser as Dorian Lord. She was way too identifiable as Rachel on AW.”

“I’d never accept Cady McClain as Jennifer Horton. She was way too identifiable as Dixie on AMC.”

And on and on and on and on....

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 14202/28/2021

I think "Roger" was unrecastable (which may not be a word).

What about Larkin Malloy as Alan?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 14302/28/2021

I said what I said. You are free to disagree

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 14402/28/2021

R143 He was too young, but interesting idea as clearly he had some of the same sort of qualities as Bernau.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 14502/28/2021

Malloy would have been fine, I wish he played that part instead of the other one.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 14602/28/2021

Kyle was such a weird role. Clearly a victim of writing changes and you could tell about halfway through that he no longer gave a fuck. Apparently he wasn't well liked on the GL set.

But he remains the only actor Zimmer ever had that really deep chemistry with on GL other than Newman. (Well, she and Grant had great chemistry too - if only they had done Phillip/Reva instead of Phillip/Harley, though Reva was inconveniently dead at the time.)

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 14702/28/2021

I bet PG probably wedged Malloy on GL and Gabet on AW in some way. Maybe they had pay or play deals on their Edge contracts or something.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 14802/28/2021

I always thought Peter Brown would have been a good recast for Alan.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 14902/28/2021

Ron Raines always reminded me of someone and now I realize it's Drake Hogestyn and his I Smell A Fart school of acting.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 15002/28/2021

Gabet said on Alan’s show that P&G was the reason she did AW and she really ended up regretting it.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 15102/28/2021

Larkin Malloy said he enjoyed playing the part of Kyle, the first year. But he didn't like the second year when they saddled his character with Maeve Stoddard to do the Maeve/Kyle/Reva triangle

For the third and final year of his contract, (and Pam Long was long gone by this time) TPTB lured Robert Newman back and planned a Kyle/Reva/Josh triangle - with his character being the odd person out

Larkin Malloy wanted no part of a storyline like that, as asked to be released from his contract. TPTB agreed, and Larkin had only one scene with Robert Newman before departing and never seen on Guiding Light again,

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 15202/28/2021

I remember that, R152. The change was SO abrupt.

I know Josh and Reva had some great scenes with the fountain, etc. but when he first came back, they were so, so boring. I think Digest named them worst reunion or most boring. It took Pam Long's return to change that.

It remains one of those times where literally, you could tell the second a new writer's work hit the screen. Within a week or two we had the "old" Reva back. We had Kyle playing a role in breaking up Josh and Reva without actually being there (since Alan was pretending Kyle was Marah's father). And then we got Sonni, and bitch, it was ON!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 15302/28/2021

[quote] Within a week or two we had the "old" Reva back.

When Reva put on her old red dress, you knew Pam Long was back

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 15402/28/2021

Yes. And that was before all that red dress/fountain stuff became a lazy parody of itself.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 15502/28/2021

I’m still shaking my head over the Mark LaMura is Roger Thorpe idea.

One of the reasons that shows like GL and ATWT sunk so badly in their final years was that producers cast actors from other network’s shows (most of them hugely identifiable with their show), to play characters we had already watched for years. And this, as a result, diluted the identity of Oakdale and Springfield. To the one upthread-a LOT of the GL viewers also watched other shows, believe it or not, especially AMC.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 15602/28/2021

Good thing Beverlee McKinsey hadn’t played a character of note on another soap before being cast as Alexandra.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 15702/28/2021

What kind of NUT would want Mark Lamura on GL? Fuck NO

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 15802/28/2021

Vee told Dylan to go watch All My Children if he was going to talk about the Pine Valley reboot ha ha ha ha. What a dummy. He keeps crossing Vee, who is in the biz.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 15902/28/2021

I think it's different when a P&G actor goes from one P&G show to another.

But then again, I loved Jane Eliot as Carrie...

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 160Last Monday at 2:46 AM

R156 I think you're interpreting my suggestion as a ABC actor to P&G thing. You may disagree with my suggestion, but that wasn't my motivation for suggesting him.

I just thought that lookswise, I thought there was a similarity, and LaMura had acting chops.

The other actor who always reminded me of Zas in terms of physicality - name escapes me but he briefly played Carla's husband on Cheers.

Obviously looks are only a part of the picture, of course.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 161Last Monday at 4:34 AM

Jane Eliot is a difficult actress. Total complete bitch. Alan Potter fired her for being such a cunt and gay Marland had a hissy fit and stomped his stilettos and left GL. Marland had issues with women because he didn’t like women. He hated Monty, he hated Agnes. He hated anything that had a pussy.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 162Last Monday at 4:36 AM

Wie auch immer....

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 163Last Monday at 4:39 AM

20+ years later and it's funny how often recasts for Alan and Alex come up in conversation.

But they really should have never recast Roger, anyway. Zaslow really was one of a kind. He was eccentric but brilliant and it was impossible to duplicate his energy, I think.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 164Last Monday at 4:41 AM

Zas became a wizened old man.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 165Last Monday at 4:53 AM

she's on her bullshit again this morning

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 166Last Monday at 5:13 AM

oops sorry wrong thread

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 167Last Monday at 5:13 AM

40 years ago. Chris Bernau pretending to eat out Geri Court’s snatch!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 168Last Monday at 6:35 AM

Holy shit, I actually remember that episode!! I must have been home sick from school.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 169Last Monday at 6:41 AM

Jennifer Richard’s cooter was revealed 40 years ago.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 170Last Monday at 6:54 AM

Santa Barbara was canceled in the fall of 1992 and off the air by January of 1993, leaving Pam Long and the Dobsons out of jobs. Doug Marland died in March of 1993.

What if Pam or the Dobsons had taken over AW or ATWT (returning to ATWT in the Dobson’s case)?

What do you think they would have done with those shows.

I’d guess that the Dobsons would have introduced a bunch of strong male characters to either show-that was one of their hallmarks. I could see them really enjoying writing for Donna and Cass on AW, and Kirk and Lucinda on ATWT.

I think Pam would have done a good job with Lucinda and the Snyders on ATWT, and Vicky/Lorna on AW. What are your thoughts.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 171Last Monday at 12:19 PM

[quote] It remains one of those times where literally, you could tell the second a new writer's work hit the screen.

Interesting. Can people think of other such examples? I remember the transition from scabs to Harding Lemay being really noticeable when SoapNet aired AW fifteen or so years ago. It went from being mindnumbingly stupid to pretty compelling in the blink of an eye.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 172Last Monday at 12:23 PM

Pam at AW would have actually been quite interesting.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 173Last Monday at 12:37 PM

Pam Long would have never written AW, you dumb fucks.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 174Last Monday at 12:38 PM

anyway.....

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 175Last Monday at 1:03 PM

According to an AW account on Twitter, the You Are My Way opening for AW was last used 25 years ago today.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 176Last Monday at 1:09 PM

The versions of "You Are My Way" that came before that version:

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 177Last Monday at 1:43 PM

Thank GOD that JFP got rid of that stupid theme! I love, love, love that final theme.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 178Last Monday at 1:45 PM

R177, watching that reminded me of how annoyed I was by that single shot of Stephen Schnetzer making that stupid right arm/hand movement. What the fuck was that?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 179Last Monday at 2:14 PM

Vee ordered JFP to get rid of that AW opening. He is in the biz, you know,

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 180Last Monday at 2:35 PM

[quote] It remains one of those times where literally, you could tell the second a new writer's work hit the screen.

[quote] Interesting. Can people think of other such examples?

When Claire Labine returned to Ryan's Hope - they immediately fired the actor playing Pat Ryan, after luring the original Pat Ryan (Malcolm Groome) back to the show

Whatever long-term storyline was created, got scrapped immediately. Christine Jones had just been hired as the matriarch of the Kirkland family, but instead Claire used the character to usher the entire Kirkland family off the show. With the character announcing the entire family was moving back to Switzerland.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 181Last Monday at 2:59 PM

I think when Lorraine Broderick went back to AMC toward the end.....I didn't watch it regularly by then but I watched her first week back and was so pleased I kept watching for a few more weeks.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 182Last Monday at 3:46 PM

I wish those two first weeks of Pam's 1987 return to GL were on YT. It's literally one of the only stretches of time that never made it to YT.

Some queen who was a teen gay in that era has to have it SOMEWHERE on carefully labeled VCR tapes!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 183Last Monday at 3:48 PM

[quote] I wish those two first weeks of Pam's 1987 return to GL were on YT. It's literally one of the only stretches of time that never made it to YT.

You are in luck - someone has uploaded the entire 1987 year of GL on Youtube - Link to the entire 1987 playlist below

Start at episode 2113 for Pam stuff to start (at the end Reva puts on the red dress)

Now the BAD NEWS - it is entirety in ITALIAN - so unless you understand Italian - you can only watch and not follow along

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 184Last Monday at 4:41 PM

I can't believe it took me up until today to not see a slight resemblance between Michael Zaslow and Jay Thomas. They absolutely could have played brothers.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 185Last Monday at 5:03 PM

And bravo to whomever came up with the idea of Ben Masters as a replacement Alan. What could have been!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 186Last Monday at 5:05 PM

R184 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 187Last Monday at 5:12 PM

That old pimp Chad Rollo really aged well.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 188Last Monday at 5:13 PM

R184 thank you for finding that. Been looking for that for....well, since it was first on.

BTW that's German.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 189Last Monday at 5:21 PM

R189 - thanks for clarifying

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 190Last Monday at 5:22 PM

[quote]BTW that's German.

Damn. I've been studying Italian for the past two years. I was all excited.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 191Last Monday at 9:01 PM

Diane Ballard was such a cunt.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 192Last Tuesday at 12:10 AM

R191 I'm no language expert but heard a few German words and was like oh, wait. And then the RTL network ident on screen confirmed it.

I believe GL was caled Sentieri in Italian.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 193Last Tuesday at 4:57 AM

Trying to remember if the AW theme was written for the show, or if someone decided it would make a good theme and licensed it?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 194Last Tuesday at 7:21 AM

Out of all the PG soaps, the first AW theme was the best of all of them, following by The Edge of Night themes. The second Texas theme was pretty good. The worst was the GL disco theme, wrong tone for the show.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 195Last Tuesday at 7:25 AM

I loved both the GL themes that followed the disco themes, though. Well, the slower version of the one that followed (not the Let's Do Aerobics version with the blue sky background that came later). And then "Hold On To Love."

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 196Last Tuesday at 7:38 AM

[quote] Out of all the PG soaps, the first AW theme was the best of all of them

Thems fightin words.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 197Last Tuesday at 9:11 AM

I do love the 70s AW theme.

And still chuckle at whoever said that when Victoria Wyndham farts, it sounds like that tune.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 198Last Tuesday at 9:36 AM

“You Are My Way (to Another World)” was written for the show. I remember ET running a segment on the recording session at the time.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 199Last Tuesday at 10:08 AM

Gail Kobe’s first GL theme was its best ever.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 200Last Tuesday at 11:21 AM

I agree, R200. It was absolutely beautuful. Sweeping, a little mournful but ending on a triumphant note. I know-MARY! But I really loved it. Those later bastardizations of it were ghastly. Fuck you, Joe Willmore.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 201Last Tuesday at 11:50 AM

Enough Is Enough!

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 202Last Tuesday at 12:23 PM

Was that the episode that eventually won the Emmy?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 203Last Tuesday at 3:29 PM

STARRING

CHARITA BAUER

as

Bert Bauer's Good Leg

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 204Last Tuesday at 3:30 PM

Ver over at SON needs to fuck off!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 205Last Tuesday at 4:41 PM

Go there. Tell them, there.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 206Last Tuesday at 4:54 PM

[quote] Those later bastardizations of it were ghastly

What, you didn't like the Let's Do Aerobics version?

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 207Last Tuesday at 4:56 PM

R204 is so tiresome.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 208Last Tuesday at 4:59 PM

The funny thing about that Enough is Enough episode is that I remember as so much bigger and scarier than it actually is upon rewatching it. I was probably 8 when I saw it the first time. You could tell that it was done in the era before big soap budgets, or at least big soap budgets on NYC soaps.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 209Last Tuesday at 5:18 PM

When will Vee, who is jn the biz, get Dumb Dylan banned from SON?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 210Last Tuesday at 6:24 PM

Geoffrey Scott, who played Krystal's ex husband Mark Jennings on Dynasty and played Billy Lewis for about a 6 months (1993-94) on GL, has died.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 211Last Tuesday at 6:26 PM

Sorry, R208. I was poking fun at the DAYS poster who did that aaalllll the time.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 212Last Tuesday at 6:30 PM

R211 RIP... he was quite fuckable back in the day.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 213Last Tuesday at 6:33 PM

Just dawned on me that both he and Joan Collins were on GL for a while. Both as recasts too.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 214Last Tuesday at 7:03 PM

Has Joan Collins commented yet?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 215Last Tuesday at 9:30 PM

Joan Collins and Marj Dusay commented and said they were the best and most hardworking Alexandra Soaulding portrayers.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 216Last Wednesday at 12:21 AM

Marj was always breathy. Hyperventilating. She must have smoked.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 217Last Wednesday at 4:28 AM

Has almost 90 year old Joan Collins commented about losing Bert’s leg?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 218Last Wednesday at 8:37 AM

We found the leg, it had been shoved up your ass.

That's why I always loved Bert. She knew how to kick ass!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 219Last Wednesday at 8:43 AM

I didn't really get into soaps until the early 80s when I discovered AMC, but my mother, brother, and cousins watched GL and I totally remember a lot of these characters from GL in the 70s. I think a lot of it went over my head (I was born in 1969) but I remember Diane. Also Rita, and that drip Eve. Ben made me tingly. And of course the summer of Morgan, Kelly, and Nola. I lost interest around the time of Beth, Phillip, Rick, Mindy...and REALLY lost interest when Reva came on, and so many of the old characters were written out.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 220Last Wednesday at 8:50 AM

I had the same experience as r220. Luckily we got a VCR right about then and Marland took over ATWT.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 221Last Wednesday at 9:26 AM

I was a baby gay living in a miserable little town and getting bullied every day.

My escape was visiting Oakdale and Springfield every day for two hours. I burned a hole in more than a few of my VHS tapes back in those days, just from taping those shows every day!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 222Last Wednesday at 10:03 AM

R222 - hope you kept those VHS tapes somewhere - they are worth gold now

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 223Last Wednesday at 10:14 AM

Vee sabotaged Beverlee McKinsey behind the scenes of GL and made JFP force her out. But he got his when MADD and Paul Rauch assigned him to scrub the residual poo from the bottom of Joan Collin’s exclusive dressing room toilet bowl. Vee is in the biz, you know.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 224Last Wednesday at 11:05 AM

Unfortunately no R223 - I taped over them over and over

like P&G did lol

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 225Last Wednesday at 11:12 AM

I just stumbled on to this Youtube Clip of Somerset. You guys have probably already seen it, but's wonderful.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 226Last Wednesday at 12:10 PM

That link has a link to another episode, featuring one of our favorites Lois Kibbee, plus recently dearly departed Christopher Pennock.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 227Last Wednesday at 12:23 PM

Wow. Thanks r227 for sharing that Somerset episode.

I never watched Somerset. It didn't air where I lived. But it was great to see Lois Kibbee in a a different role and Jordan Charney as Sam Lucas, a character that started on AW and returned to AW.

But I must say, the most amazing thing was hearing the announcer's voice. He was the same guy who announced Another World each day, so very strange to hear him say "This is Somerset" rather than "And now, the continuing story of Another World."

But at the same time, it brought back fond memories hearing him say "We'll return to our story in just a moment" before the commercial break.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 228Last Wednesday at 12:45 PM

Hold up! Is that DL Bulge Fave Gary Sandy around 7:53 in the link at r226???

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 229Last Wednesday at 12:52 PM

Vee, who is in the biz, can fuck the fuck off! He’s an asshole. Fuck you Vee and take dumb Dylan with you. Two fucken morons. Keep scrubbing shitty toilets Vee. That’s your life work asshole.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 230Last Wednesday at 1:22 PM

Thanks, R226. Damn, I’d have drained Ed Winter’s throbbing dick dry. I’m sure the chorus boys in Cabaret were all too eager.

Marie Wallace replaced Lainie Kazan as Crystal Allen two years later in a Broadway revival of The Women.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 231Last Wednesday at 1:23 PM

Hello my dear lovelies! I am having a glorious time playing the new, but definitive Katherine Chancellor on THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS, television’s number one daytime drama. I, Scoche Marin, will be sweeping the Daytime Emmys for this wonderful Bell creation. Cheers for now!

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 232Last Wednesday at 1:52 PM

That is indeed bulgetastic Gary Sandy, who played Randy Buchanan on Somerset from 1970-72.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 233Last Wednesday at 1:56 PM

We LOVE you, Scoche!!!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 234Last Wednesday at 2:28 PM

Next, on most of these CBS stations.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 235Last Wednesday at 3:20 PM

In the 60s and 70s, Orbach's did the clothes for most of the New York Soaps. Days used The Broadway. Y&R used Giorgio Beverly Hills and Buffums. At some point the New York soaps switched to Barneys and Botany 500. ATWT and GL used Suzy Perette and Lillie Rubin a lot.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 236Last Wednesday at 4:12 PM

It’s gotten to the point where the majority of the posts on P&G threads are from the psycho trolls now. Sad 😞

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 237Last Wednesday at 4:17 PM

Somebody tell Errol to ban Vee and Dumb Dylan from SON!!!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 238Last Wednesday at 4:54 PM

Add fucking pervert Soapsuds (ugh - he’s old and lives with his parents!!!!) banned from SON and I’ll start posting again. And fuck you to Victoria Foxton - a male pervert named Michael. They have ruined the SON boards. Completely ruined those boards. Vee, Dumb Dylan, Soapsuds pervert and Victoria Foxton need to be banned now. Add in Carl the loser later. SON is a mess!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 239Last Wednesday at 5:55 PM

Tell us how you really feel, R239. Come on now, let it out!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 240Last Wednesday at 6:01 PM

R237 You have to block that person. He's severely mentally ill.

We all enjoy it when we shun them like the absolute socially awkward lunatic they are, and just read the sane comments.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 241Last Wednesday at 6:04 PM

The P&G threads, and all of the soap threads for that matter, got much more pleasant after I hit the ignore button. If you block the two worst posters by hitting ignore, 99% of the crazy junk on the threads disappear.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 242Last Wednesday at 6:12 PM

Those SON posters ruined the ATWT discussion thread. Add in DramasDreams and that virgin who writes TGL instead of GL! And those dummies John and Raven! Vee, who is in the biz, got every good poster banned.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 243Last Wednesday at 6:19 PM

Wow r241 and r242. I blocked him. You’re right. I really can’t believe that was all one troll. A bit akin to Eileen Davidson playing 5 different roles on DAYS.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 244Last Wednesday at 6:20 PM

Why can’t I block that loon? The buttons gone!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 245Last Wednesday at 7:00 PM

I can only see the block buttons, W&W, etc, when I’m on a PC. I have none of those options on my new iPad...

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 246Last Wednesday at 7:06 PM

The problem is....... they never block! The asshole, Vee, tells you to block but he never does! Welcome, Vee, you asshole!!!!!!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 247Last Wednesday at 7:06 PM

[quote]I can only see the block buttons, W&W, etc, when I’m on a PC. I have none of those options on my new iPad..

Same thing happens when I surf DataLounge on my phone. Must be something about the smaller screen.

So, block/ignore the people on your PC and then it should carry over to all your other devises. It did mine.

However, I am a paying member, so the info carries over from device to device when I log in. Don't know if it will happen if you're not a member.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 248Last Wednesday at 7:11 PM

What was the name of the guy who fell to his death? Dean Blackman or Blackford or something. I think he was married to Sara. We used to recreate his falling by dropping our dog onto the couch.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 249Last Wednesday at 7:28 PM

Fuck you Vee! Yup. We’re talking about you. Fuck the fuck off, Vee!!!!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 250Last Wednesday at 7:32 PM

I'd forgotten about Camille Paglia, of all people, discussing a favorite of ours. (Scroll down, lots of other content before the relevant part comes up.)

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 251Last Thursday at 5:03 AM

From Paglia:

[quote]As her father's goody-goody wife Rachel lies in critical condition on the verge of losing her baby, rich and idle Iris Carrington causes trouble in the hallway outside the hospital room: "Really--Rachel's servants are becoming as rude she is."

That's the first time I've seen Rachel described as "goody-goody."

I can almost hear Bev reciting that dialogue.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 252Last Thursday at 5:08 AM

[quote] Two years later, while attending a Lily Tomlin show in New York with my friend Stephen Feld, I spotted the actress who had briefly played Loretta on "Another World" and had acted in that very scene. I leaned over the hapless two patrons sitting between us and (to her astonishment) enthusiastically recited both parts of the Saint-Tropez dialogue.

LMAO!

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 253Last Thursday at 5:37 AM

Loretta was played by a friend of mine, E. Katherine Kerr, who went by Elaine Kerr back then. She died of cancer two years ago.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 254Last Thursday at 6:54 AM

Where’s Penberthy's gay homo nephew? He needs to get her on here and share stories about Connie Ford touching Geri Court’s titties.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 255Last Thursday at 7:19 AM

I'm sorry about your friend, R254. Did you ever discuss the backstage happenings at the show with her?

Has anyone else here ever been friends with an actor or crew person? I know a few of the costume people and a few writers, some very casually and some relatively well. And I mean know as in met them face to face, have socialized with them, etc not just "I follow them on Twitter"

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 256Last Thursday at 7:23 AM

That idiot perv at SON thinks that he’s friends with Rick Hearst and Jacob Young because he’s ‘chatted’ with them on twitter. Rick Hearst follows tens of thousands of people for chrissakes. He’s not friends with all of them. Soapsuds perv is delusional.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 257Last Thursday at 11:16 AM

anyway.....

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 258Last Thursday at 11:42 AM

Eat me.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 259Last Thursday at 11:49 AM

Eat me! I know you all miss me!

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 260Last Thursday at 12:00 PM

I know it's stupid to respond to the madness, but why not address these grievances with all these people you have problems with on the board where they all post. What is bringing this shit here going to solve? We don't know who these people are.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 261Last Thursday at 2:10 PM

Silly r261, trying to use logic with spicen.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 262Last Thursday at 2:45 PM

R256, no, we never discussed it in detail. She was only on AW for a bit. She had a lot of great stories about being directed by Tommy Tune for the Off-Broadway hit Cloud Nine, though. I think she won an Obie for her performance. A really good actress but too many excellent ones in her age range so she had trouble getting good roles in film and TV.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 263Last Thursday at 2:46 PM

R261 I have no idea why that loon brings it here because N O N E of those people post here. From what I gather, he thinks some of the posters here are his enemies from that board, but there are like six or so of us that post here, and none of us are the people he mentions all the time.. I never could post at SON as my profile was never approved, but never much cared for it anyway.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 264Last Thursday at 3:47 PM

Thank you, R263.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 265Last Thursday at 3:48 PM

Gil Rogers - who played Hawk Shayne on Guiding Light - has died.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 266Last Friday at 5:47 AM
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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 267Last Friday at 7:43 AM

Wanted to add: Marie Wallace was cast as Crystal Allen in the 1973 Broadway revival after both Tammy Grimes and Lainie Kazan were fired.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 268Last Friday at 10:36 AM

Do we have a Marie Wallace Troll now?

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 269Last Friday at 2:38 PM

There was a photo posted somewhere of the young actors on GL circa 1995 which included Little Billy, Michelle and Ben Reade.

The guy who played Ben as a teenager grew up to be handsome and looks not terribly unlike Matt Bomer, as well. Guess he's busy on the production side now.

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by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 270Yesterday at 10:09 AM

Thanks r270. Wow. He really does look like Matt Bomer.

I was disappointed when they SORASed those young teens. We'd been watching Michelle, Ben and Little Billy grow up for 7 years, I wanted to continue watching those actors in the part.

Rachel Minor, Bryan Buffington and Gregory Burke were all so good in the parts, so personable. They were one of the many highlights of those glory years of the early 1990s.

Was a shame the show threw that all away by recasting and SORASing.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 271a day ago

I certainly wish they hadn't killed off Ben.

He would have been a great character to continue since he was connected to several families but related to few characters. And how hard could it have been to find a Black Irish actor who was handsome with blue eyes once Bomer left?

But by then we were already in the era of burning the frame of the house to keep warm, hoping every time a character was killed off it would goose those ratings.

by Scary Todd, Carrie Todd's alter ego reply 272a day ago
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