Within Treason: If You Don't Know Me By Now (The Impeachment Inquiry, Part 6)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Let’s remember this fat Orange Daughter-Fucking Orangoutang’s Administration is fighting to make sure WE can be fired to protect the “Religious Freedom” of the Christian whackjobs.

Is this like a pinata when just a few good pieces of candy fall out first and then with a few more good whacks it all comes out in a beautiful cascade of yum?

Pres Bone Spurs seems to be pouring the gasoline on the USA and the world while reaching for a match.

Hey FCI did you hear anything on Fiona Hill’s testimony? Its been super low key compared to the former ukrainian ambassador’s day of testifying.

R6 Not a peep so far.

Hjjk

Bolton blew one of the whistles.

R8 is choking! Quick, someone do the Heimlich!

Drug deal LOL

If Bolton of all people helps Dem tighten the noose around Cheeto's neck, I'll take it. Gifted horse and all that.

I think Sondland's family had to have an intervention to get daddy to come clean. No more delusions about being a world politics power player.

Fiona Hill, President Donald Trump's former adviser on Russia and Europe, on Monday testified White House officials were so alarmed by efforts to press Ukraine into opening an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, they raised their concerns with National Security Council lawyer John Eisenberg, reports The Wall Street Journal.

Hill, a former intelligence officer under ex-President Barack Obama, also raised concerns about Rudy Giuliani's role in U.S. foreign policy toward Ukraine during her nine-hour deposition and viewed the recall of Amb. Marie Yovanovitch from Kiev as an egregious abuse of the system by Trump’s allies who were seeking to remove a perceived obstacle.

The impeachment proceedings center around a July 25 phone call Trump had with Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy where Trump asked Zelenskiy to launch an investigation into Biden and his son.

Hill, who resigned in August, told lawmakers of a July 10 meeting with Ukrainian officials, then-National Security Adviser John Bolton, and other U.S. officials in which the U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland raised the issue of such a probe.

Following the meeting, Hill said Bolton told her to speak with Eisenberg over concerns she expressed regarding the sit-down.

And now Mulvaney gets drawn into this mess!

When John Bolton is the voice of reason, you know you’re really in trouble.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, r14. Bolton is quite useful in this instance. But I’ll be very happy to never see him hold a government office again.

The WH tried the executive privilege maneuver with Fiona Hill.

[quote]Attorneys for President Donald Trump's former top Russia adviser argued in a letter sent on Sunday that no executive privilege issues were in play for her testimony, citing potential "government misconduct" as one reason for their decision. Read the letter here.

[quote]Trump reportedly came into the October 6 conversation with Erdogan underprepared. According to an administration source who spoke to Fox News, his talking points amounted to “Tell Erdogan to stay north of the border.” Unsurprisingly, “he went off script.” That night, the president announced the troop withdrawal, conveniently aligning American policy with Erdogan’s plan for the region for at least two years.

Erdogan, Putin, MSB and Lil Kim couldn't have gotten more out of a US President to hurt us and help them. And to think of the things we don't know!

According to Ronan Farrow's new book, The National Enquirer's top editor directed staffers to shred documents when the Wall Street Journal called for comment before publishing the first story about the Enquirer's "catch and kill" relationship with Donald Trump.

Farrow cites editor Dylan Howard as saying he needed to empty the safe and that the editor expressed a need for a shredder.

Howard "appeared to be in a panic," Farrow reports in his new book, titled "Catch and Kill," in a reference to the tabloid world practice of buying and burying stories.

Without explaining exactly how he knows, Farrow writes that "a Trump-related document from the safe, along with others in the Enquirer's possession, had been shredded."

[quote]And now Mulvaney gets drawn into this mess!

He would have been eager for lucrative, dirty dealings . His political history and financial dealings in S.C. are by no means pristine. The prior controversies are multiple.

Trump doesn't pick the squeaky clean for jobs.

Of course they shredded documents! Not just at the Enquirer. It is my belief, just based on my conviction that we're dealing with some actual gangsters here that people in the WH probably took top secret and other important documents off premises, took them home, etc. and had them destroyed.Computers were also probably wiped and new ones purchased. We are dealing with a serious criminal element here and they've been in the bubble so long, and associating with like-minded people for so long that they don't even recognize it as illegal. They're going to do anything they can to hang on to power. This is not the Nixon gang.Not by a long shot. And now that they're openly invoking Jesus on the opening pages of the State Department's website, and Barr and Pompeo are mouthing Opus Dei sentiments, I'm sure they believe God's on their side. This is like a B movie except Seal Team 6 won't be riding to the rescue.

Zuck, the gentleman caller.

[quote]Mark Zuckerberg has been holding off-the-record dinners with influential conservatives including Tucker Carlson and Lindsey Graham.

[quote]Attendees of these meetings, hosted at Zuckerberg's California homes, have included Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham, the Fox News host Tucker Carlson, the right-wing commentator Ben Shapiro, and the conservative CNN contributor Mary Katharine Ham, Politico said.

CNN had picked up Mary Katharine Ham, an old Bill O'Reilly right-wing frequent guest on Fox.

uncle fester looking motherfucker

What is with that Christian bullshit that Barr and Pompano have been pushing? These two snakes are destroying our Democracy while pushing Jesus. At least Jesus had morals...something Republicans do not have.

The criminal enterprise is cracking and concrete crumbs are falling from the inner core. And fat, farty Barr can't put it back together again.

R24 I’m waiting for Mel Gibson to be added to the cabinet with all of this uber conservative Catholic bs flying around.

R22, what’s with posting stuff we ALREADY KNOW ABOUT over and over?

These this thread is so full of duplicate information. It’s getting ridiculous.

I'm just glad that this thread is so full of *serious* information and comments. The one on the Syrian capitulation is crawling with trolls exulting over Erdoğan's sticking it to the CIA and the neocons.

Liz Cheney now blaming the disaster in Syria on Democrats. If it weren't for that pesky impeachment inquiry Trump would never have made such a decision.

It's so pathetic it's not even funny.

Does Liz Cheney realize that her argument basically accuses Trump of throwing our armed forces to the mercy of the Turkish invaders just out of spite? Surely that's impeachable?

R27 you are obsessed with contolling what other people post, especially referencing Graham. You are repetitive with the projecting scolding. Count your own tedious trolling posts. That takes up a heck of a lot is space. Either you for deflecting for Graham or you think you have been anointed by Muriel to control what others say. Doubtful your stalking is endearing. You would not last very long in a credible workplace. Next time you troll, somebody will not be as polite as my reply, sweetie.

I figured that troll was the same troll trying to divert people to some other thread.

Anyone objecting to posts about the Zuckerberg operation, and fails to see the tie-in to Russian intereference and pro-DJT propaganda, looks rather baffling.

The most devastating thing I've seen so far this morning, is the video on Twitter of Russian Troops gloating now they have taken over an American military base in Syria. Yes. It is the most humiliating thing I've seen. It sort of encapsulates the whole debacle for us in about 2 minutes. If you can find it again lease post it. I want it to go viral. I want the fucking News Media to run it and ask #MoscowMitch about it. Or #LeningradLindsey. Ask Lamar Alexander, and Susan Collins and Little Marco, and BenSasse, and all the faux hand wringers running around talking about sanctions. It took less than two weeks. Two fucking weeks or less for Trump0 to announce an order that was already a fait accompli, in progress, and war crimes and atrocities and betrayal, and now the downward slide into full out humiliation.

R34, this?

Reuters:

U.S. House impeachment inquiry into Trump to question career diplomat

Yes, R35.

That video makes me boiling mad, R35. I just sent it along. Thanks.

Maddening.

We really need to see Trump's tax returns. If it can be proved that a financial interest from foreign powers (Russia, etc) is part of his life, it will be over for him and his arguments.

Is Kent, the diplomat testifying today, likely to reinforce the claims of Yovanovitch and Hill?

[quote]Is Kent, the diplomat testifying today, likely to reinforce the claims of Yovanovitch and Hill?

NYT: George Kent raised concerns to colleagues as far back as March about the pressure being directed at Ukraine by Trump and Rudy Giuliani to pursue investigations into Trump's political rivals.

Kent was pointing to Giuliani's role in what he called a "disinformation" campaign intended to use a Ukrainian prosecutor to smear targets of Trumps. Those included Biden, Marie Yovanovitch and Ukrainians who disseminated info during 2016 about Paul Manafort.

Frankly I, I hope the us military feels the sting of this humiliation of goddamned Russians taking over those military bases. They need to feel that humiliation and shame.

Those fucking idiots voted for this lying, useless cunt and now they can see the consequences of their actions. This bullshit and humiliation is the direct result of your continued blind alligeance to rethugs.

Do you get it now?

Geo. Conway reminds Rudy of his Miranda rights.

It is like saying "you're guilty as hell, so shut the f*ck up for your own good".

They’re never going to get it. They are willfully blind. They have such allegiance to tRump that they will not believe the evidence no matter how solid it may be. This really is a cult.

Ole Kellyanne keeps trying to disparage the Bidens for days, but few are buying it except for the base nitwits.

Asking Obama to defend Biden? Obama doesn't need to, isn't taking bogus bait, and Biden doesn't want it or need it.

Further proof that all the chest pounding by the conservatives about patriotism and traditional values are just blatant and meaningless rhetoric to manipulate their followers to do the Neo Cons' bidding.

Jim Jordan and Devin Nunes have been very quiet about the testimonies given to the three combined Congressional Committees (Intel, Oversight and Foreign Affairs).

While Trump is bitching about no transparency, it appears that Republican members are stunned by the consistency of the testimonies.

I wonder how long it takes Nunes to relay info to Trump?

Guilani’s personal lawyer has quit!

Charles Koch must be really happy with those tax cuts and environmental and banking deregulations.

Adam Schiff kicking Matt Gaetz out of the hearing room for his antics would have been great video.

Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT):

Fiona Hill describes this scene:

In a White House meeting, Sondland tells Ukrainians they will get a Trump meeting if they open the investigations Trump wants. Then, Sondland follows the Ukrainians out of the meeting to privately make clear he's talking about Hunter Biden.

Matt Gaetz spoke at conference where fake shooting Trump video was shown.

Sons land is in WAY over his head with this thing. Flailing and has no idea what he’s doing.

*Sondland

R47 The silence of the Repubs -- who have never been a quiet lot -- means this testimony is compelling and worrying to them. Also means that the WH has no organized war room....except Trump's tweets. The Kangaroo Court bullshit found zero traction. I suspect WH is increasingly being all about covering personal asses.

I am getting the vibe from Sondland that he realizes that protecting the president will get him nothing. That giving honest answere will vindicate him as a witness to Trump corruption.

He is one ugly rich dude and if you see pictures of his family, you know how lucky he knows he is.

I don't think he would have donated the million bucks if he knew he was going to be played for a stooge.

Sondland does not have a discernible neck.

[quote]I don't think he would have donated the million bucks if he knew he was going to be played for a stooge.

He should have spent it on having a chin made.

I think Syria and Turkey have really thrown the Republicans in disarray. They might have been able to bullshit us about the Deep State out to get Trump, but adding Trump's betrayal and the foreign policy disaster in Turkey...who has our nukes... is making things exponentially worse.

The more the media focuses on things like the Russians taking a video tour of an abandoned American military base, and the slaughter of our Kurdish allies, calling us cowards, etc. feeling betrayed the domino effects of all this, then it makes it way too hard to defend.

And a lot of these assholes implicated in this are going to have to lawyer up and you better believe Trump won't be footing the bill. He will betray them too. I fully expect KellyAnne to run down the driveway waving her arms shouting "We are all Kurds!" LOL!

The one encouraging thing about Sondland is that during the 2016 campaign Sondland and his wife decided to stop supporting Trump after Trump went after the Gold Star Family. It was only after the election that Sondland went back to supporting him.

If it happened once...

It is all about the power not the chin.

The Rand Paul -- Lindsey Graham feud is flaring again.

Will Mitch McConnell or Mike Pence intervene?

The Hill:

Giuliani says he won't comply with subpoenas from Democrats

R63 I'm shocked! Absolutely shocked!

Giuliani and Dershowitz converse. No surprise.

Suppose with Epstein now gone......

Now, Guiliani has no chance of an executive privilege shield. When they hold him in contempt, if DoJ refuses to intervene, we will be in a constitutional crisis.

Giuliani & Dershowitz are buds.

@R62: Girls, GIRLS! You are BOTH pretty!

I almost feel sorry for the ordinary people in Kentucky to have people like Rand Paul and Mitch McConnell representing them. Sheeesh....I said almost...

R63, that must be why Rudy’s lawyer abruptly quit. Rudy wouldn’t take his advice.

R69 don't even "almost" feel sorry for them. Most of them keep voting them in.

I don't feel sorry the dumbass deplorables. Hetero white baby boomers are some of the most gullible and moronic people you'll ever encounter

WP opinion piece from yesterday:

Opinions | In a month, Trump has destroyed ‘America First’

If he is not going to honor a Congressional subpoena then Giuliani needs to imprisoned for not complying.

Period.

Looks like Lindsey Graham agrees with you, R74. This was today.

Let’s see how fast he reverses himself.

Anyone know who this tall guy is, he seems to be escorting everyone in to testify so I am assuming he works for Schiff, or Pelosi? He has been photographed with everyone as they walk in to testify.

Why don’t that go to Sen. Burr’s office and ask questions?

He is a slime bag and is getting ZERO coverage.

He could put all this to a stop.

The Congressional Lurch R76

Remember Mayor Giuliani's son who attracted attention due to his behavior during the oath of office when the mayor was inaugurated? Well Andrew Giuliani that son, works in the White House now, he is is the Public Liaison Assistant to President Donald Trump.

and when John Kelly was Chief of Staff he took away Andrew's un-escorted access to the West Wing, wonder if it has been restored since Kelly is no longer Chief of Staff. Man he has one of those faces you just want to smack the smirk right off of.

"America's Mayor!"

I NEVER drank that ridiculous post 9/11 patriotic bullshit.

That ridiculous sad, quiet season opener of SNL in 2001.... America sure fell for Rudy's BS.

Reuters:

Erdogan says Turkey will never declare ceasefire in northern Syria -NTV

AP:

Democrats weigh formal impeachment vote as probe quickens

I think since Weds is the day they can convene to discuss formalizing the vote, since there are no testimonies that day?

VP Pence is also refusing to comply with the subpoena to hand over documents.

Pence is one thing, but Giuliani has increasingly no cover and he should be raided.

NYT:

Impeachment Investigators Question George Kent, State Dept. Ukraine Expert

The Hill:

McConnell tees off on Democrats over impeachment

Rudy couled show in drag. Announce his heart belongs to Mulvaney.

Claim he is transitioñing and the changes have caused conflicting decision-making and confusion.

McConnell and the Republicans and their "partisan inquiry complaints" are so cold and old...and it is not gaining any traction beyond the hard core Trumpists.

This is also due to the fact that there is no organized war room or decent talking points coming from the WH.

Oligarchs are generous.

Miz Lindsey is not beloved of a certain Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

well Erdoğan is no fan of the gays

Pelosi speaking NOW

That begs the question, r78, is there a "Congressional Thing" as well?

Pelosi refers to Trump’s “wet noodle” sanctions against Turkey. Heavy Freudian innuendo there.

Schiff speaking now. Reveals the Ukraine call had preparation and follow-up. Not isolated...

Ukraine president was presented with conditions to get a meeting the WH...

Why did MSNBC cut in on Schiff's talk? Too much going I guess...at least its all shitty for Trump...

Mitch will try procedural bullshit to impede any trial after a House impeachment vote. Republicans in the Senate majority will not challenge it. They really don't want to go on record.

We are dangerously close to not even having a functioning govt with the shit the GOP pulls.

Politico:

Pelosi holds off on vote to authorize impeachment inquiry

WSJ:

Ex-Rep. Sessions Subpoenaed Over Interactions With Giuliani

r40'

[qoute] If it can be proved that a financial interest from foreign powers (Russia, etc) is part of his life, it will be over for him and his arguments.

We are past the time of proving anything; everything is obvious now. Our challenge, to get the vote out in 2020 and try to somehow to discourage the deplorables from voting. It's on all of us, now, spreading the word, making things go viral, influencing the influencers, call your reps - put the fear of God in them.

(All an I can do, I'm sorry to say. I'm not young, I can't go to Syria to die for the Kurds nor would I recommend that action for anyone. But we have a responsibility to protest.)

R47

[quote] I wonder how long it takes Nunes to relay info to Trump?

I imagine Trump has access to real-time updating. I wonder why Jordan/Nunes are [bold] relatively quiet now[/bold].

r56

[quote] I don't think he would have donated the million bucks if he knew he was going to be played for a stooge.

Sondland is a rich guy, he just doesn't realize how expendable he is to the Russian mob who want to keep Trump in power. Sure, he's surprised! Wants to have his cake and eat it, too. Testify, but not say anything that might make RU colleagues angry. Too bad - you're not a veteran at criminality otherwise you wouldn't have put yourself out in the open. Useful idiot.

Oh how the tides are turning against the Dotard, Yet another , legal woe for him. The Emoluments suit still has a chance to be brought against him.

If only they were digging their political graves.....

Someone really needs to photoshop a tombstone for Donald into that picture.

[quote] This is also due to the fact that there is no organized war room or decent talking points coming from the WH.

Which shows their general ineptitude. But, the real reason there are no good talking points coming out of the White House is because none exist. They’ve tried a lot of nonsense so far and none of it has worked. They don’t have a defense. If they had done nothing wrong, they’d come clean with the document requests and allow everyone to testify. As it is, they look guilty as hell.

[quote]But, the real reason there are no good talking points coming out of the White House is because none exist. They’ve tried a lot of nonsense so far and none of it has worked. They don’t have a defense.

At this time they simply rely on McTurtle to put a kibosh on the House impeachment when it comes to the Senate.

Which is why this is going to keep building

AP:

Sondland prepared to deny he was warned about Ukraine work

Politico:

Republicans buckle to Trump on Syria

Washington Post:

‘I can’t even look at the atrocities’: U.S. troops say Trump’s Syria withdrawal betrayed an ally

Washington Post:

Giuliani pressed Trump to eject Muslim cleric from U.S., a top priority of Turkish president, former officials say

Politico:

Prosecutors flag that DOJ is not in sync with Trump on tax returns claim

Quick correction - Pence has not yet gotten a subpoena. He turned down request for docs.

I think Pence is afraid Trump will dump him so he's playing good soldier. But he's a damned fool. He has to walk a tightrope between being part of the Trump team, and distancing himself so he doesn't get swept up with the rest of the garbage. Right now Pence acts like a very willing accomplice. He can lie all he wants, but not only did he know, he participated.

[quote]A person close to Sondland said Tuesday that neither Bolton nor Hill raised any concerns with him. To bolster his account that officials did not sound the alarms to him about the Ukraine activities, Sondland is prepared to describe the aftermath of a meeting he had with Energy Secretary Rick Perry and Kurt Volker, the former special representative to Ukraine.

So Sondland is playing semantics. He's protesting that Bolton & Co didn't come to HIM with their concerns about HIM.

Is he dumb or what

George Will doesn't yet think this Ukraine thing merits impeachment. Wow.

Pence was subpoenaed for documents, no?

Interesting to read in the NY Times that the WH is planning to do an internal investigation about the Ukraine call.

It could be a search for a scapegoat, but it also could be the beginning of a lot of backstabbing and finger pointing and more WH chaos as people increasingly cover their own asses.

I think it’s just an attempt to look like they’re doing the right thing. "We had a perfect investigation by people who actually investigate these things. That’s what they do for a living, you know? But it was a perfect investigation. And it turns out I did everything right. Some people are saying it was the best phone call. So you can call off your impeachment now, okay."

God ,Trump is such an imbecile.

Pence has just guaranteed that BOTH of them are impeached.

Once and Trump gone at the same time? Just as I had hoped!

Giuliani is referred by Congress to DoJ for criminal prosecution.

Barr rejects referral.

BARR is the first person impeached by Congress.

Chris Christie publicly advised the White House weeks ago to conduct an internal investigation. Looks like someone finally listened, albeit several weeks too late.

Barr and Pompano are very evil guys, how can we be done with them? They are not normal, they are more like Steven Miller, pure evil.

Not subpoenaed yet, R120; there's just been a request made. The key will be if he refuses to produce the documents even after having been subpoenaed. That would be obstruction.

Both Barr and Pompano are truly evil and probably, like Trump, work for Putin. I fear that our Democracy will not stand between these three traitors along with Moscow Mitch. Putin had a plan and it is coming to fruition.

Is it possible Rudy Giuliani is the truest Patriot of all? The he is secretly working for the Democrats? That he's been undercover and on our side all along? How else to explain his extreme, and supreme incompetence?

Nah.........................

So, Moscow Mitch is railroading through another judge nominee, Steven Menashi, a Stephen Miller acolyte?

Pence press secretary, Katie Waldman, who is allegedly dating Stephen Miller, created quite a stir when at the University of Florida.

Barr is now using a projection: blames moral upheaval on conspiring U. S. secularists.

This thing is suppose to represent high Christian morals?

[quote]George Will doesn't yet think this Ukraine thing merits impeachment. Wow.

But he does think withholding documents from Congress, as Trump is doing, is impeachable.

With the sheer (if incompetent) evil of Rudy Giuliani now on display for all to see, it's worth looking back to see how revered he was in right-wing circles:

On this day in 2008, he led the field of Republican presidential contenders by 9.8 points.

Pro-Publica:

Newly released Trump tax documents show major inconsistencies

Newsweek:

Donald Trump Tweets 'Impeach the Pres,' Twitter Responds Accordingly: 'I Bet Melania Typed That'

Ewww - he looks DISGUSTING at R137.

[quote]Barr is now using a projection: blames moral upheaval on conspiring U. S. secularists.

He should be sued for violating the 1A.

Can an Atheist or just Non-Religious organization launch a suit?

Reuters:

Pompeo aide who quit suddenly last week testifies at impeachment inquiry

Nice.

Pelosi is a master in death of a thousand cuts. The longer she waits, the more comes out and the more guilty will the Senate look for not convicting Trump (after Pelosi finally held the impeachment vote in the House).

What was the calculation on not having a full House vote on authorizing an impeachment inquiry?

I realize that they do not have to do that, but pro/con on not having a vote? It takes that talking point off the table for Republicans.

How many vulnerable House Dems are there who risk trouble putting their vote down?

[quote]Can’t stand it anymore. 2 hours is enough.

Lindsey, you are slipping. Try some smaller ones for awhile until the soreness subsides.

R145, it would be seen as a meaningless capitulation to the WH. Trump et al. would invent some other vapid excuse for not complying.

Trump sniffing very hard at news conference. What's the source?

I know I shouldn't be shocked by this, but I am:

Today, nearly 3 years into Trump’s presidency, @senjudiciary considered the FIRST Latinx circuit court pick since Trump took office. He's nominated ZERO African Americans to the circuit courts.

Washington Post:

Mulvaney emerges as a key facilitator of the campaign to pressure Ukraine

USA Today:

Trump says longtime allies the Kurds are 'not angels,' says Turkey's invasion of Syria 'not our problem'

The Hill:

McConnell leans into impeachment fight

R152: he's beyond revolting.

NBC:

Cuomo signs law aimed at weakening Trump's pardon power, closes 'double jeopardy' loophole

Off topic, I know, but..... How come brothers Chris and Andrew Cuomo look very much alike, yet Chris is incredibly handsome, and Andrew is not?

US News & World Report:

Erdogan Walks Back Refusal to Meet Pence for Syria Talks

BILL TAYLOR is on his way back to the US from Ukraine to testify before the House committees next week.

R159 when does Erna testify?

It’d be cool if Datalounge got Trump impeached, like how we solved the Soft Butch Sous Chef Murder.

WELL HELLO, R159. ON MY WAY! WHO COULD EVER HAVE PREDICTED THAT "WIFI" WOULD BE AVAILABLE WHILE FLYING "THE FRIENDLY SKIES," AS THEY SAY. STILL NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I THINK IT'S "FLEEK." MAYBE I'LL POST A "SELFIE" OR TWO WITH THE "DIET COKE" I'M DRINKING. YOU HAVE A "GREAT" DAY! BLESS, BILL TAYLOR.

@ r153 Moscow Mitch knows the trial is in the Senate and not the House. The House ie collectiñg testimony and evidence for the record. Exclaiming no Due Process is a red herring. If Trump and his cohorts want their say, then cooperate with submitting documents and providing testimony and their viewpoints under oath. Every person giving testimony is allowed legal counsel to come with them. And all those House Committees have Republican members. Impeachment is a political process, not a criminal trial, though alleged criminal behavior is spurring the impeachment investigative process.

Politico:

House condemns Trump’s Syria withdrawal

This is funny: Trump's adviser Peter Navarro quoted a supposed expert named "Ron Vara" in some of his writings....turns out there is no such person.

NYT:

Ex-Aide Saw Gordon Sondland as a Potential National Security Risk

If Trump played the anagram game as well as Peter Navarro we would have had Lord Damp-Nut and Pan Moldturd instead of John Barron and John Miller.

NYT:

Former Top State Dept. Aide Tells Impeachment Investigators He Quit Over Ukraine

Gordon Sondland is a VISUAL risk as well. I feel like his ugly face is going to make me go blind.

[quote] "They've got a lot of sand over there.... There's a lot of sand they can play with."

WTF?

[quote] Trump is slurring badly, couldn't pronounce "reception." Then said US-Italy ties go back to ancient Rome.

Ah, yes, remember all those deals the US made with the Roman emperor in 20 A.D?

Moscow Mitch will not hold the trial for impeachment.. We will see how the voters accept that. Mitch is liked by 35% in Ky, so why do they vote for him?

Moscow Mitch will not hold the trial for impeachment.. We will see how the voters accept that. Mitch is liked by 35% in Ky, so why do they vote for him?

Sheesh and people get on MY ass?!

What did I miss? I just heard someone say, "Damn, Miss Lindsey just went Rogue on Drumpf... "

Also had to laugh because I've never heard a random stranger call him Miss Lindsey.

Oh, this must have been what it was...

Sure you will, Senatrice... sure you will.

Like this, r170.....

Fox News reporter Jennifer Griffin bucks the corporate line:

President Trump: “PKK (Kurds) are a greater threat than ISIS.” Not a single National Security adviser to the president would agree with that statement. Turkish talking point.

Schumer, Hoyer, and Pelosi were just on live after walking out on Trump due to his unhinged behavior in their meeting...

Schumer: Trump called Pelosi a "third-rate politician" and said "Communists are involved; that might make you happy."

Hoyer: "Offensive" "Diatribe." "Offensive accusations" "Never have I seen a President treat so disrespectfully a coequal branch of the government of the United States."

Pelosi: "What we witnessed on the part of the President was a meltdown, sad to say."

Politico:

Trump smacks down Graham after latest Syria broadside

The Hill:

Gallup poll: Majority of Americans now support Trump's impeachment, removal

Thanks, R177. I shouldn't post with one eye on the TV!

Oh my!

Well, you really shouldn't leave it on the TV, r183, it'll roll off. Anyway....from Reuters:

Pelosi says Trump had 'meltdown' over House vote on Syria

R184 god, he is a FUCKING RETARD!!!!!!!!

On the other side of the letter, it says, "Just kidding. You do you."

Fox Nation's Diamond & Silk attend a Pennsylvania conference of extreme anti-abortion activists that has included Rick Santorum as a speaker prior, and some Catholic priests.

Thus, Fox is not simply doing coverage, they are part of the program. A bunch of legislators were there with the clergy and activists. They sure are not drawing lines between church and state

R184 That letter looks like it was written by an idiot. Oh wait,....

Now Trump has told Stephen Miller and Kellyanne that he wants photos of him riding a big horse like Putin and Kim Jung Un have done. But Trump is afraid to ride a horse. Guess he wants it photoshopped.

Pence has actually ridden horses.

Oh no!

Ronan Farrow's new book Catch and Kill: Lies, Spies and a Conspiracy to Protect Predators claims that American Media Inc. (AMI), the former publisher of the National Enquirer, tried to help Donald Trump bury allegations he raped a teenager

Farrow claims in the book that AMI CEO David Pecker was in close contact with Trump when the rape allegations were made public in a 2016 lawsuit, and that then-National Enquirer editor Dylan Howard assured Trump's personal lawyer at the time, Michael Cohen, "that they would track down the woman with the rape allegation and see what they could do about her." An AMI spokesperson told Newsweek Tuesday that Farrow's claims are "completely untrue."

[quote]But Trump is afraid to ride a horse.

Problem solved!

But can Putin or Kim drive a truck? I think not.

Ride a horse AND drive a diesel truck....

Jimmy Carter & George W. Bush

Trump rides elevators and golf carts. Oh, and that escalator in Trump Tower.

[quote]Then said US-Italy ties go back to ancient Rome.

In so far as this makes even a modicum of sense, it goes back to some distorted, alt-right version of the idea of America's debt to Roman republican values.

[quote] it goes back to some distorted, alt-right version of the idea of America's debt to Roman republican values.

I can perhaps buy the underlying factual premise, but NOT that tRump would even have a remote clue about Roman republican values.

Goes *indirectly* back to, I should have said. Of course Trump himself didn't come up with the notion.

Trump declared he doesn't know the two Giuliani associates who got arrested but several separate photos of Trump with them have already emerged.

What in the actual hell happened today? Just when you think it can't get more insane he tops himself.

Wow. Just Wow.

He is going to get us in some serious trouble. More serious than he has already. But I guess, according to Lizzy Chinny, it is the Dems fault they upset Pr. Snowflake.

Our allies should never trust another GOP administration again. WE should never trust another GOP administration again. Anybody who voted again her last time (But her emals.....) or voted 3rd party or didn't vote can fuck off and die in a grease fire of epic proportions. Those who say they will do the same if they don't get their preferred candidate will be treated as a likely Russian troll.

Sorry if someone else already posted this, but I rarely if ever peek at Fox news, but tonight I just checked Tucker Carlson for two seconds and saw he was pounding Elizabeth Warren about her health care plan....it never ceases to amaze me what a propaganda outlet that channel is......how do they sleep at night?

Trump's major meltdown disturbed Pelosi and Schumer today. And that letter! Oh boy...it is being received as both chillingly incompetent and hysterical.

That letter looks like it was written by a 4th grader.

Apologies to 4th graders.

Time to #twenty-five45!

+1, r200. 👍

+1, r200. 👍

r200...and yet they do...over and over again. Every single Republican administration in the modern age has been a disaster. You would think people would learn their lesson, but nope. HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF.

Holy shit that letter to Erdogan. WTF.

Business Insider:

US troops bombed their own anti-ISIS headquarters as Turkey-backed fighters closed in during Trump's hasty retreat

But her EMAILS!

He writes just like me!!

Maddow is reporting on all these interventions WH has done for Turkey....what is going on?

Does Erdogan have info implicating Kushner in regards to Khasoggi or something? Btw the kids have been made invisible lately...

R211, don't be silly. Your post should say...

He write just like I writes!1!11!

Apparently DJT had the idea that The Nobel Peace Prize was in the bag if he successfully brokered the meeting between the grieving family of Harry Dunn and his killer, Anne Sacoolas.

Maddow is scary tonight. She has on Brett McGurk, a former Trump envoy to ME to end ISIS, and he is excoriating Trump.

I think you’re on to something R212.

and R201 [quote] . . . how do they sleep at night?

Vampires sleep sleep by day

R208 Yes! Yes! Yes!

He apparently called Pelosi a derogatory name which prompted the walk out.

I think she owns his ass. She unleashed this on him at the perfect time.

Don't ever mess with Nancy.

Mitch McConnell expects Trump to be impeached by Thanksgiving. He has a whole PowerPoint presentation about the coming trial.

FCI, any thoughts or info on what the word was? Was it the c-word?

She will cut your throat and you wont even know you're bleeding

Watching O'Donnell. This is an aside.

Raja Krishnamoorthi needs to find a "Serious Face." It is clear someone told him to smile as much as possible., BUt in these circumstances it is weird. No problem with him otherwise.

R221 Yes, I was on the phone with my friend who said she heard it was that word. I said I found that hard to believe even for him, and I was serious for a few seconds, then burst out laughing because it is very much in line with how he is currently acting.

Expect the tipping point soon. The Syria/Turkey debacle has sent DC into a "meltdown" as Nancy so aptly said today.

If he really called her the "C" word why on earth didn't Nancy Pelosi come out and tell the reporters gathered there what he said? He'd be FINISHED with everybody in this country but his base. If he really said that, I'd hope even some Republicans would be ready to kick him out. There are just some things you don't say; especially to a lady.

Probably took the high road, r225, and knows it will be leaked.

What Trump needs at this stressful time is a pee pee girl.

Ha ha who is the adult here and who is the whiny bitch?

THE LETTER WORKED; ERDOGAN CAVED; WILL MEET PENCE/POMPEO

Mark Hultmark 🌈 @hultmark_mark Turkey's Erdogan says he won't meet with Pence and Pompeo, then immediately doubles back #SmartNews

One has to admire Putin's stage management

Why didn't Erdogan respond when the letter was mailed? Why does he respond after it becomes public?

Why didn't Pence and Pompeo confirm that Erdogan would meet with them? Even if they were unsure, they could have gone to Turkey privately and be rebuffed privately.

Why didn't they immediately after Erdogan said no! Why hang out an extra day.

As always, thanks FCI for the inside info! I thought as much—and I think Nancy should make it clear what was said.

The Hill:

House Oversight asks court to expedite subpoena order for Trump's finances

Kevin McCarthy was in the room. He has loose lips and loves to gossip. All on Capitol Hill know as does the media.

Be assured, Joe Scarborough will make it obvious tomorrow morning if he shows to work.

NBC:

Sondland asked Ukrainians during private White House talk about gas firm linked to Hunter Biden

Daily Beast:

John Bolton ‘Increasingly Likely’ to Get Subpoena From House Democrats

My friend heard about the c word from a current GOP staffer. Again, rumors are flying hot and loose in DC. I have my doubts about him using the actual word but with her very clear and deliberate use of the word "meltdown" after she got in his face about "all roads lead to Putin" makes me think he absolutely could have called her that.

You say "bitch" like it's a bad thing!

Nancy must've had him SHOOK!

WSJ:

Perry Called Giuliani at Trump's Direction on Ukraine Concerns

Trump is going up in flames, Jesu Cristo!

Do the Rethugs really think that they are going to defend the Dotard by arguing “transparency” grounds. Well, that may be all they have.

Look at how this has unraveled in the last several weeks. Their initial argument was that the July 25 call was fine and you should not remove a president for a phone call. In the ensuing weeks we have seen enough evidence to demonstrate that this wasn’t some random one-off request but rather a piece of a much larger coordinated scheme/conspiracy to shake down Zelensky.

Many of the people who have provided this evidence are well-respected career diplomats and civil servants. Their bias is going to be difficult to establish for the Repukes.

When Schiff and his prosecutors lay out the evidence I suspect that it will be so devastating that these cocky, boastful Senators are going to be running for cover.

In the last month this has gotten appreciably worse. Expect Cheatolini’s prospects to take a further downward slide.

That photo of Nancy standing in the meeting and the comment "all roads with you lead to Putin" will become historic.

Nancy is THE one politician that really intimidates bully-mouth Trump.

The "nervous Nancy" nickname he tries to label on her, fall hollow. He's afraid of her, and for good reason.

She surprised me a little bit the last few years. She is very smart, has great timing, and is so astute politically.

On Lawrence O's show, he showed another presser with her talking about his meltdown and her language suggests it was probably more unstable and insane than what has leaked out so far (except for the c word which still wouldn't surprise me).

[quote]Nancy must've had him SHOOK!

Not to mention SHOOKETH!

So he is holding a rally in Dallas next Thursday. Dallas. There are some great routes he can take, with the top down (Dallas has nice weather this time of year). Though, what would Melania scoop up? Pumpkin innards? He'd be just fine.

He's actually in Dallas tomorrow. And the Deplorables are already lining up outside the arena.

Look at that table pic. Look at the facial reactions. He TOTALLY called her the "c" word. As she read his fat ass to filth.

I hope Nancy ends up as interim President, and she seems to have stepped up her wardrobe in anticipation. The green dress and the jade beads? Gorgeous!

She's lovely. I just don't understand how anyone dislikes her. I really don't.

From today. Essential.

There has to be video or audio of that meeting, please God let it leak!

Looking for a lover for one night. My naked photos and videos here - na­.­to/gayfottos

Scumbag Trump takes his talking points from Erdogan and Putin.

I fell asleep with MSNBC on and had a dream that two people on the Trump side of the meltdown meeting had just resigned and were promising video.

Too bad it was only a dream.

I don't have a link yet, but I got a Breaking News alert that Elijah Cummings has died.

By seniority, Carolyn Maloney will take over as the head of the Government Oversight.

Junior Turd, give it up.

Leslie N. as Trump vs Nancy

If he does get impeached by Thanksgiving, there's gonna be major political fights at the dinner table.

“There Is Definite Hanky-Panky Going On”: The Fantastically Profitable Mystery of the Trump Chaos Trades

"Traders in the Chicago pits have been watching these kinds of wagers with an increasing mixture of shock and awe since the start of the Trump presidency. Tthe precision and timing of these trades, and the vast amount of money being made as a result of them, make the traders wonder if all this is on the level. Are the people behind these trades incredibly lucky, or do they have access to information that other people don’t have about, say, Trump’s or Beijing’s latest thinking on the trade war or any other of a number of ways that Trump is able to move the markets through his tweeting or slips of the tongue? Essentially, do they have inside information?"

From the meeting: Trump's minions study the table's wood grain while Trump lashes out at Nancy.

And I think the bust of Franklin is shedding real tears.

I have been wondering this R257. Trump is manipulating the market every time the trade deal new gets leaked....you could short the market when you know the bad news is coming and when good news comes you win too!

At least one Republican is professing outrage.

Sondie likes nice things.

R262 can you post a bit more context with your posts? This is getting annoying.

Those old Republicans sitting next to Trump in that picture fascinate me. They’re either wallowing in shame and embarrassment or they’re bowing their heads in deference to their anointed alpha male like the little bitches they are.

Looks like pained shame and embarrassment to me R264 Also looks like "Oh, shit" realization, as well.

I am guessing the photo was taken at point when any chance of moderating the discussion went down the tubes and everyone was just waiting for it to be over.

IMO knowing what kind of people Trump likes to surround himself with, and the way that woman, the former Ambassador to the Ukraine was treated by Pompeo and Trump, etc. Looking at those bowed heads makes me wonder if they would like to lunge across the table and smash Nancy in the face. My father had an alcoholic brother, and when my Aunt pointed her finger in his face he went apeshit crazy and became violent. I also believe they were embarrassed and ashamed of Trump and their own complicity, but having her speak it outloud and call them on it probably unleashed Trump's filthiest reaction. I'd love to have been the proverbial fly on the wall, after she left the room.

RIP Elijah Cummings.

Cummings was only 68. Maybe Diabetes complications, heart disease, cancer. Nancy loved him. he represented Baltimore.

NYT: President Trump largely delegated Ukraine policy to Rudy Giuliani, the ambassador Gordon Sondland will testify, saying he disagreed with the move.

Reacting and thinking about Elijah Cummings passing, I have to say, that in general, if you're looking for statesmen, for people who understand government's purpose, who really love the Constitution, who are dedicated to making things better for as many people as they can, look for a Democrat. Because I haven't ever seen any Republican who can even get beyond their fake platitudes ( A thousand points of light) and their bullshit.

Reuters:

U.S. ambassador to tell House impeachment panel Trump said no 'quid pro quo' on Ukraine

Sondland's testimony will be a textbook example of craven/cover-own-ass

He will distance himself from Yovanovitch, Ukraine and anything else he can possibly think up.

Essentially he would rather look moronic than complicit.

Let's keep an eye out for Republican spin after this testimony, too, as they grasp for any straws ("Sondland said Trump told him no quid pro quo!")

The fact that they’re still hanging onto the “there was no quid pro quo!” talking point of like three weeks ago, really means that they have absolutely nothing. No response, no alternative narrative. Nothing. It’s really quite pathetic.

[quote] U.S. ambassador to tell House impeachment panel Trump said no 'quid pro quo' on Ukraine

Wait, does he claim there was no quid pro quo or that he wasn't aware of any quid pro quo dealings? I think those are two very different statements.

NYT: Trump Lashes Out on Syria as Republicans Rebuke Him in House Vote

Mr. Trump dismissed concerns that his decision to pull back had opened the way for Russia, Iran, the Syrian government and the Islamic State to move into the abandoned territory and reassert influence in the area. “I wish them all a lot of luck,” Mr. Trump said of the Russians and Syrians. “If Russia wants to get involved with Syria, that’s really up to them,” he added.

You know what, I consider Trump a national security crisis.

To hell with the law or the constitution, someone needs to find out what influences or holds people and gov'ts have on him and spill it to the people.

We sure as hell didn't care about thousands of innocent Japanese-Americans, why so much deference for a clearly compromised, bad actor in the WH??

Politico: Gordon SONDLAND will break sharply from Trump during his testimony today, criticizing the decision to run Ukraine policy through GIULIANI and saying military aid to Ukraine should not have been withheld for any reason.

If Giuliani isn't arrested before the end of the year I will be incredibly surprised.

Gordon Sondland clearly had some sort of awakening in the past 48 hours. I bet all the negative news coverage was getting to him and his family (including his twink son).

Lots of retweeting of @PresVillian tweets today -- he takes Trump's words and puts them into existing comic scenes:

Sonderland was a willing agent for Trump. He carried the message, he worked with Rudy, Mulvaney, Pompeo, and actually ignored Bolton in that meeting, when Bolton said he wasn't ready to arrange a meeting between the POTUS and the Ukrainian President, and the Sondland Took the Ukrainian reps down to some basement room and told they he could get them their meeting with Trump IF they started investigating Hunter Biden and the gas company he was on board with. So he was Mr. Quid Pro Quo. Nothing he says today to exonerate himself even matters. And if he says Trump told him "no quid pro quo" that is the weakest bullshit there is. Because Sondland was working with Rudy and Rudy threw Trump's name around promiscuously. he's a wealthy hotelier who wanted to buy his way in, and be a mini Trump real estate mogul. Fuck him. His wife is a Democrat. He claimed he found Trump's political views repugnant, but he gave him a million dollars? Fuck him.

George, tell your wife, who lies, spins, and deflects for DJT, and gets well paid doing so. Surely, you have some influence with Kellyanne.

[quote]"He lies because he’s a sociopath, a con man—to deceive others," George Conway tweeted.

[quote]"But he also lies because he’s a pathological narcissist—to deceive himself, to protect his fragile ego from narcissistic injury," he added.

As I said he will cover his ass, throw Rudy, Trump, etc under any and all buses as needed.

If that isn't enough he will plea bargain to gain immunity for spilling it all - if any is left. He might find himself in a bit of a pickle.

Kellyanne, WH Senior Advisor, is on the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT payroll, yet she spends her time on Twitter blasting Hunter & Joe Biden, attacking polls (near all of them) not favorable to Trump, and doing propaganda exhibitions for Fox News.

Sonderland doesn't want to end up in jail and will throw Trump and anyone involved under the bus.

Oh, some Turkish Junior officials and diplomats will be barred from the U.S. outside a 25 mile radius of the U.N., and no trips allowed to Disneyland, for six months.

That will teach 'em!

Lawrence O'Donnell.....

Did he call Nancy a cunt or a bitch?

I love that she said that about Russia. She knows that little nugget of truth is what triggers him. Keep going, Nancy! He’s gonna go full Colonel Jessup one of these days.

Everything triggers Trump. But it's the so called Liberal Snowflakes that are so silly and fragile. Typical projection.

LOLOL! R289

Sondland's opening statement

Troll at R290.

There’s been no public allegation of this, R288, and a lot of people were at that meeting. Trump’s insults tend to be very babyish, anyway. He calls people “losers” and so forth.

r293 clearly ignored the "wooooosh" sound before posting.

r293 clearly ignored the "wooooosh" sound before posting.

R287, I saw that last night. Lawrence was masterful.

[Quote]Did he call Nancy a cunt or a bitch?

The only insult we heard about is that he called her "a third grade politician". They all left the meeting after that. Someone here asked if he called her the c-word and the insider troll here said her "friend/source" confirmed it or heard it was the c-word.

I'll bet he did his male fuckfaced thing and called her a third rate politician and then leaned to his asswipe Munchin and theatrically whispered 'and a cunt'

It's just what he would do and there are no doubts here.

RIP, Rep. Cummings. We've lost a true patriot, a devoted American and a wonderful human being.

R298 is for people who can’t scroll up for two seconds?

I bet he had plenty of shit to say once she left the room. That's how he rolls.

They just announced the next G7 will be at one of Trumps resorts. SHAMEFUL.

Oh without a doubt.

L.A. Times:

G7 summit will be held at Trump's Doral resort in Florida, White House says

R302, He's going to steal every dollar he can out of America. He is without sense or shame.

He’ll invite Putin as a guest and they can meet on his property without surveillance equipment to worry about.

I wonder if trump saw #moscowMitch ‘s power point about how impeachment is starting at Thanksgiving time? We know he needs a refresher on how government works.

I think promising him the G7 is trolling because he will probably be outta here by then, but let’s placate the crying baby for a bit!

THE LETTER WORKED. ERDOGAN MET WITH PENCE! TRUMP SCARED HIM!

One has to admire the stage management.

That letter was so ominous that it brought Erdogan to the negotiating table. This is all kabuki theatre. From the letter, to leaking it to the press, to Pence heading there despite Erdogan refusal to meet with him (DOES NOT HAPPEN IN DIPLOMATIC CIRCLES), to finally Pence/Erdogan photographed together. Nothing will happen. But, hey, Trump will say it did the trick: the Kurds are safe, except that ones that are no angels.

Posted on another thread ---

[quote] Don't worry if you don't read well -- it's written at a 4th grade level, complete with taunts and exclamation points.

[bold] The letter is not addressed to Erdogan, it's directed at the deplorables.[/bold] The letter shows Trump tried to make a deal with Erdogan, takes the heat off the House resolution condemning the President's inaction by showing Trump working on a peaceful solution. That's the reason for the 4th grade level text.

[bold]It also disrespects the Kurd overture to Erdogan. Trump encloses Gen. Mazloum letter to Erdogan. Think how the Kurds feel seeing the President of the US sending their desperate offer to Erdogan with this cover letter. [/bold]

--- Last night Fox News was referring to the letter as "ominous. "

WaPo's Greg Miller:

All in plain sight today: Trump awards major global summit to his own golf resort in Miami; WH chief of staff admits aid to Ukraine held up for Trump political ends ("Get over it.") EU ambassador testifies was told by Trump to take orders on US-Ukraine relationship from Giuliani.

R308 that twitter account shows how that Pence/Erdogan meeting is so similar to the hostage-like photos and meetings we have with North Korea!

If Erdogan has incriminating information on Kushner involved with Saudia Arabia's killing of Khasoggi -- someone PLEASE release it.

My favorite from r308:

It looks like they are both in the waiting room for a colonoscopy

Mother Pence’s nasty little boy is announcing the ceasefire and he looks like he’s aged thirty years. His whole face looks sunken and there’s something weird going on with his eyes.

Pompeo looks like he’s been on a bender and someone threw a bucket of water over him to wake him up and snap him out of it.

Their master sucks the life out of everything around him.

So after hundreds of thousands of Kurds had to flee, after Russia swept in , after some ISIS prisons escaped, and after we had to blow up our very own ammunition bunkers, we now have want to make peace and end the violence? Talk about genius. Sheesh. Trump really is a very unstable moron.

AP:

BREAKING: Vice President Pence says United States and Turkey have agreed to a cease-fire in Syria.

Pence meets with Erdogan, seeking Syria border cease-fire

R312, I would think Pence would be looking forward to a colonoscopy.

r308 are you drunk? He got the letter on October 9th and went ahead with the invasion. Now that he's done what he wanted, he'll "ceasefire". The letter got tossed in the trash.

The arsonist saves the day!

Trump created the problem and now what, should he and his administration be declared heroes for making the cease fire happen?

US-Turkey ceasefire?

Are we speaking for the Kurds?

Turkey got what it wanted, the Kurds are going to be systematically destroyed without bombing any further and the repukes got some inane optic they think 'fixes' this debacle.

Forget it.

This wasn't a "ceasefire." We just formalized selling out the Kurds. It was a surrender.

So again...its all about avoiding sanctions by Congress. Thats the ONLY reason for the cease fire.

DEFLECTION

And now Trump is screaming that the Kurds are so happy with HIS deal, the deal that they’ve always wanted and no one else could deliver. They’re so happy that he has saved their lives.

It’s a great day for the Kurds! It’s a great day for civilization! Turkey is so happy that they won’t have to kill thousands of people now.

No sanctions. No sanctions. No sanctions are needed now.

Trump proclaiming his brilliance live right now: "Everybody agreed to things that three days ago they wouldn't have agreed to do. This is a situation where everybody is happy."

A great day for Turkey. A great day for Turkey! Because they were being killed. Nobody wants to talk about that, but they were being killed.

"A great thing for civilization!"

An amazing outcome! Civilization is very happy. It’s a great thing for civilization.

CNN reports that Turkish Foreign Minister is saying there is no ceasefire, just a pause in operations

[quote]CNN reports that Turkish Foreign Minister is saying there is no ceasefire, just a pause in operations

Boy, he can't even go two hours without his story falling apart.

R330, that would seem to be the correct interpretation. There's a five-day pause. They re-load and go back to killing Kurds, only without the threat of sanctions hanging over their heads. Trump probably begged them for something cosmetic that he could brand a "victory."

Sarah Huckabee Sanders announces she's been appointed by Donald Trump to the J. William Fulbright Scholarship Board.

She's a scholar, ya know.

^from above:

“When we violate the law ourselves, whatever short-term advantage may be gained, we are obviously encouraging others to violate the law; we thus encourage disorder and instability and thereby do incalculable damage to our own long-term interests.” - J. William Fullbright

R317

[quote] are you drunk? He got the letter on October 9th and went ahead with the invasion. Now that he's done what he wanted, he'll "ceasefire". The letter got tossed in the trash.

Sadly, no. Been sober quite a while. To me, it looks like kabuki theater.

Trump's letter WAS REALESED YESTERDAY AND DESCRIBED AS OMINOUS by Fox. The deplorables will be credit it with the ceasefire.

From the letter, to leaking it to the press, to Pence flying to Turkey despite Erdogan public refusal to meet with him, to Pence/Erdogan photographed together and a cease-fire...(and let's not forget Lindsey pushing for sanctions, which are no longer the table - a production so many parts for everyone!)

[bold]Final analysis - The Kurds lost 20 miles around the Syrian border, the US troops are gone, and ISIS prisoners are liberated. Oh, yes, the Kurds are terrorized and know they are at RU & Assad's mercy. No sanctions, no monitoring of the agreement. [/bold]

[bold]Let's look at what happened not what the principal actors say happened. [/bold]

Jamie Gangel is reading from her notes after speaking to a Republican who was in the meeting:

[quote]Everyone left completely shaken; shellshocked He is not in control of himself. It is all yelling and screaming.

JG: Has it changed or gotten worse?

[quote]100%

JG: Are you worried about his stability?

[quote]Yes

"Look everybody sells out the lives of their allies and then scrambles for a deal to look better. Get over it."

[quote] CNN reports that Turkish Foreign Minister is saying there is no ceasefire, just a pause in operations

Erdogan and Trump are playing to their home audience. This goes with "The Incredible, Marvelous, Perfect Letter" that Erdogan threw away but the deplorable credit for the ceasefire b/c Turkey didn't want sanctions.

Kabuki theatre - they were all in on it. Look at the timing.

Absolutely! The letter never told Turkey that they'd get their asses kicked if they came near us or the Kurds...it only threatened ECONOMIC sanctions...

IT WAS PERMISSION. You have to be completely blind not to see it.

And it all started not because he got played, which he did, but because he was told to roll over.

Is this true?

Turkey is granting 120 hours of not slaughtering Kurds to let them flee (sans U.S. help) in exchange for squashing the Halkbank scandal?

Can imagine Trump huddled with Sean Hannity, Jeanine Pirro, Tucker Carlson, Lou Dobbs, Greg Jarrett, Jared Kushner, Steve Miller, and Kellyanne, while on the phone with Lachlan Murdoch.

You do know that Neomi Rao, who replaced Kavanaugh on the D.C. Court of Appeals, and railroaded through confirmation by McConnell, supports dwarf-tossing?

[quote]You do know that Neomi Rao, who replaced Kavanaugh on the D.C. Court of Appeals, and railroaded through confirmation by McConnell, supports dwarf-tossing?

Trump is a mental midget. Can we toss him?

^ from above:

SHE’S GONNA GET CONFIRMED, FOLKS. She’s not overtly racist enough to engage with Tim Scott’s selective sight, nor openly rape-y enough to lose the support of GOP women. She’s just a “normal” Republican. She thinks that if a woman didn’t want to be raped, she shouldn’t have worn that. She thinks that if a gay person wants human rights, they shouldn’t have kissed each other. And that if a little person didn’t want to be tossed they shouldn’t have been so little.

Neomi Rao is 45 years old. We are so, totally, screwed.

Game over - Mulvaney just admitted to quid pro quo.

Final summary/ punch line for the Trump Administration:

“The Aristocrats!”

Yes, R347, several hours ago at this point.

Latest rat fleeing the sinking ship: Rick Perry. First he was out, then he was back in, now he's out again.

r347 they don't need quid pro quo for it to be treason.

Conspiracy only needs intent.

[quote]they don't need quid pro quo for it to be treason.

Senate Republicans don't care about your stinkin' quid pro quo or treason.

Was that meant for me, r344? Are you threatening me?

Gym, you are a dumpy, short thang, and your suits are too long and baggy for you. Daddy Orange prefers his sychophant boys way more snappy looking.

Trump: [starts drowning a cat]

Everyone: whoa stop!

Trump: [still drowning the cat]

Everyone: wtf seriously stop now!

Trump: [stops drowning cat] I would like to announce that the cat is now saved. MOAR WINNING!!!!

Dee Plorable: the world respects us again.

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Mulvaney: What you all just heard me say? I never said it. No quid pro quo!

Mulvaney is trying to switch the quid pro quo reason. Claiming. the bribe is about the ²16 DNC server, and not trying to manufacture dirt on the Bidens.

I actually think they plan these sorts of shitshow days for when Trump has a rally at night. Now Fox News won’t cover these stories in prime time because they’ll be covering the rally live. Thus, Fox viewers will ONLY get Trump's slant on things and not even the basic, bare facts.

I'm honestly expecting Trump to call Pelosi a bitch on camera at some point, either during a rally or during an interview. He's going to be even more crazed tonight so it could happen

the sad part is deplorables would love it.

The ever-youthful Mrs. Greenspan has pronounced on this "deal" with Erdoğan and she doesn't think much of it.

Live - from Diamond & Silk Fox TV or whatever it is called.

Deplorables line-up for Trump rally tonight.

Whew, cleaned that right up, Mulvaney! We'll never hear about quid pro quo again

DJT 'deals' with Kim are going so dandy...

You'd never know Mulvaney and Pompeo are lawyers would you..

Sure you would r367. I work for lawyers.

Mulvaney and Pompeo seem EXACTLY like lawyers.

LOL, it only took a few hours and she's sucking-up hard to Trump again.

The media has been presenting and quoting her as a principled challenger to Trump's bungling and corrupt mess. They never learn.

Randy Rainbow takes on Ghouliani.

Jeez what a complete whore Miss Lindz is. At least hold out for a hush money payment from the Enquirer, you stupid bitch.

Ill leave this here....

Someone find out what Turkey has on Kushner and Saudia Arabia's torture, muder and dismemberment of Khasoggi!

Shimon Prokupecz @ShimonPro

New: prosecutor in Giuliani associates case tells judge that the government intends to produce “fairly voluminous” discovery material that includes 10 search warrants, email & other communications from more than 10 accounts and financial records from more than 50 banks.

R367, Gym Jorden and Matt Gaetz, the “kangaroo court” clowns, are lawyers, too.

Hope you all know that part of the mission for Pompeo and Barr flying all over Europe, was to gather evidence to discredit the Mueller investigation and to confirm that the Democrats (Hillary & Obama) were responsible, not the Russians.

They want to make sure the Russians are cleared when it has been confirmed from multiple Intelligence agencies as well as the Special Counsel, Mueller, that it was the Russians. So they want to re litigate the 2016 election as well as manufacture "evidence" for 2020 and they want help doing it.

Ukraine has a long standing reputation for corruption and it is all due to the organized crime figures who work with Putin and his oligarchs. Ukraine is rich in natural gas. They've been exploiting it for maybe two decades. Even before Putin became the leader of Russia.

Seeing Giuliani's worthless old ass thrown in a jail cell would be a delight to 90 percent of New Yorkers I'm sure, and at least a few ex wives

"I'm honored to be considered that by Donald Trump because he also called Meryl Streep an overrated actress. So I guess I'm the Meryl Streep of generals, and frankly that sounds pretty good to me," Mattis continued.

Daily Beast: Nunes Raised Steele Dossier in Sondland Hearing

Nunes, the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee that is leading the impeachment probe, said some of the dossier’s contents dealt with Ukraine, and that the Clintons paid for it. Some attendees said it seemed oddly divorced from the topic at hand–namely, whether Trump pressured the Ukrainian government to investigate one of his political opponents.

“It was nutso,” said one person familiar with the exchange. “It was awkward.”

That source added that Amb. Gordon Sondland—America’s envoy to the European Union, who was questioned at the meeting—appeared perplexed by Nunes’ commentary.

AP:

Trump, in Texas, bashes Democrats as 'crazy,' unpatriotic

^ At his rally, Trump credited his "unconventional" approach for the announcement of a cease-fire Thursday. And he repeatedly painted the Turkish assault on the Kurds as something that had its benefits.

"Sometimes you have to let them fight, like two kids in a lot," he said. "You got to let them fight and then you pull them apart."

we really are blessed with the stupidest opponents r379. Devin Nunes? Matt Gaetz? Jim Jordan? Trump? There really is a wide world of stupid out there, and the biggest morons in politics have all found themselves in the Trump Camp. It is marvelous in our eyes.

Oh noes, Trump is calling out Dems for everything they say about him! It's like he's playing three dimensional dumbfuck and we're all playing impeachment!

R375, Gym Jordan went to law school, but never took the bar exam. So, technically, he’s not a lawyer.

I think Nunes, and the Trumpist Republicans, thought Sondland might give them "something" for pushback...didn't get any, and so pressed on with lunatic theories, confusing everyone.

They would be very unhappy with Sondland if it wasn't for Mulvaney :)

I hope they checked Cummings for poison.

Jesus Mitt really ripped into Plump today. Between him and Graham, It’s like 2015 all over again.

Mick Mulvany looks like a slimey weasel.

So now he goes after Mattis, one of the most respected members of the military. How does he not get more blowback from retired military with the shameful way he speaks of some of their own?

If Hillary or Obama said 1/9000000000000000th the shit he says about others, the uproar would be blasting from our TVs and from "middle America" nonstop for years. Well, not years, as they would be removed from office.

I dunno r389. I sometimes think we're all trapped in an endless loop of the 1960s. Republicans strong, pro military, let us kill gooks. Democrats weak, hippies, won't let us win stupid useless war. Grrr.

As some wit on Twitter pointed out, we're clearly in the "flush the meth down the toilet" stage of this Presidency.

Also worth pointing out that locating the G7 at Doral means Putin will be invited to join in.

I seriously don't know why any European leader would bother to show up at a G7 with Trump. There is absolutely no reason to talk to him about anything. He's dumb as shit, stubborn, angry, hopelessly dishonest, nothing he says is worth anything or can ever be believed. Even if you spent the time and effort to teach him basic economics or climate change or politics or anything else and he wound up agreeing with you on some obvious point that any third grader would understand after ten minutes, he'd just get in some stupid ass mood the next day and totally reverse everything he'd just agreed to. There is absolutely no reason to go through the pretense any more. Just tell him to fuck off and make whatever deal you have to among yourselves.

Just so we get a real sense of the character of Putin, as he assumes his leadership role in the vacuum we left by abandoning the Kurds, He had his GRU/former KGB guys plant bombs in several apartment buildings that killed more than 300 people, and tried to make it look like the Chechens did it. He did this to build support for persecuting the Chechens. Of course we know about the poisoned political opponents and people who lost their balance and fell off balconies to their ndeaths, but my point is he was willing to do that, or have it done on a much larger scale if it suits his purpose. Which begs the question: Since we have no plan to deal with ISIS, I wonder if he does. And honestly, I wonder how many acts of terrorism can be traced back either directly or indirectly to him and his policies.

R391, I thought of that, and I wonder if other nations will boycott. Hell. G7 nations can meet in Europe. And he rarely participates, although I guess he has staff who participate.

I don't know how Dems got a rep as weak on anything. Both WWs were won under Dem Presidents. Nixon cut and ran on Vietnam. At one time, the deplorables were staunchly against military intervention. I guess "talking tough" gets them wet.

They're now making out-in-the-open plans to steal the election again.

I think that’s a genius idea for what’s it worth. They should refuse to come and have it somewhere else. Democracy might need to cut off its arm to survive so it can come back later and save us.

They should boycott the G7 also because Plump is just going to stink up the place and agree to nothing while I’m sure they will hack all their phones while on the property.

Have the G6 in Europe and band up and prepare to come rescue us as we did Europe.

Yep, r396.

It's gonna be Frau Merkel and badass Nancy saving the US I have a feeling.

Another reason to boycott is the rodent infestation.

Gen McRaven says our Republic is under attack by the President.

[quote]I don't know how Dems got a rep as weak on anything.

Reagan's lies.

R396, that’s terrifying.

[quote] I don't know how Dems got a rep as weak on anything.

(1) Vietnam; (2) the social upheaval of the 1960s and 1970s; and (3) Nixon taking advantage of the Democrats’ stumbles and hesitations. Those years formed this erroneous opinion of the Dems as being “weak.” Reagan further piled on, but the opinion was pretty much set by then. McGovern, Carter, Mondale, and Dukakis did nothing to dispel this impression — and I worked to get each of those guys elected.

Wouldn't it be bad ass if Cheeto actually got impeached and removed and shortly after his boot licking starfucker VP got busted with his pants down at an airport restroom? Welcome Madam President Pelosi!

r360

[quote] I actually think they plan these sorts of shitshow days for when Trump has a rally at night. Now Fox News won’t cover these stories in prime time because they’ll be covering the rally live. Thus, Fox viewers will ONLY get Trump's slant on things and not even the basic, bare facts.

I hadn't thought of that. You are probably right, everything they do needs to be seen through the deplorable lens. So they time a rally for the day Pence announces a phony cease-fire and the Incredible Letter brought Erdogan to his knees.

r379

[quote] Daily Beast: Nunes Raised Steele Dossier in Sondland Hearing

[quote] “It was nutso,” said one person familiar with the exchange. “It was awkward.”

Why do people use this phrasing? Nunes is not crazy, he brought up the Steel dossier to give the Right-wing media a hook to deflect from Sondland's testimony.

[bold]RE Doral[/bold]

Doral is an aging country club in dire need of renovations, belonging to another era when country clubs weren't as luxurious as they are today.

It was reported if Trump Doral requires upgrades to hold the 2020 G-7, taxpayers can be billed for that

Of course, the deplorables believe Trump is saving us money by offering it at cost.

Even the deplorables, if they recognize Trump's lies, call it out as such.

[quote]So now he goes after Mattis, one of the most respected members of the military. How does he not get more blowback from retired military with the shameful way he speaks of some of their own?

Blissfully, Mattis effortlessly roasted Trump at a NY gala dinner. Best riff of all was to point out that he never served.

The fact that a General and former cabinet member is so rightly minded to mock a sitting 'President' - to such knowing laughter - underlines for the millionth time how out of joint the times are.

Sociopaths fear accurate mockery, specially from alphas. Trump will tweet a pathetic comeback, but the mockery landed. Such accurate disrespect should and must be variously sustained.

Thume warns Miss Lindz against her effort to haul the Bidens before the Senate Judiciary Committee to please Giuliani and Trump. Thume says it could backfire.

Thume warns Miss Lindz against her effort to haul the Bidens before the Senate Judiciary Committee to please Giuliani and Trump. Thume says it could backfire.

To add to 405's point: this Doral business is just a government bailout of a failing Trump resort. The other G7 countries—assuming that Trump is still in office when this happens next year, and that the US is still solvent enough to qualify as a G7 economy—should just decline and go somewhere else.

I can't believe it. I just CANNOT FUCKING BELIEVE it. So according to R396, the Trump Administration is poised to outsource election security to FSB and Russia? What could possibly go wrong?

I think Mattis has the key. Don't get angry at Trump just make fun of him. It'll drive him crazy

I would really love to hear from Merkel and Macron about this Doral situation. They should know he will use them for advertising his resorts and his typical propaganda. They should team up and refuse his invitation if he insists to host G7 at Doral. Johnson is a ass kisser so he would show up anywhere, but Merkel, Macron and the other leaders should let the world know they don't support corruption. Climate change is also a very big issue in France, Germany and other countries and Mulvaney already said they won't discuss climate change at this G7. So what's the point? Just tell Trump to go fuck himself and meet somewhere else. But I bet none of them has the balls to do this.

So that's the trick re the G7: do it "at cost" but use federal funds to renovate it.

The emoluments violations should be one of the indictment counts.

[quote]"...we are restoring these (cyber security) relations," FSB chief Alexander Bortnikov said.

After the full Putty takeover, he will dump the Trumps, to put it mildly

The latest attempt to move focus away from the conspiracy. The media are running with it.

[quote] Diplomat tells investigators he raised alarms in 2015 about Hunter Biden’s Ukraine work but was rebuffed

Right-winger Charles Kirk, who heads the organization, Turning Point USA, and is a Fox News contributor, is touring with Junior Mint Kirk is making his second trip to Colorado State University where his masked supporters prior attacked students who were protesting Kirk's appearance peacefully.

The chances of Giuliani speaking to any Senate of House Committee at this point is less than zero.

At least until after he is arrested.

Media scrutiny prompted Sondland to testify. Not sure if he revealed all, however (doubt it).

The media need to latch onto Rick Perry. Start from the outer edges of the conspiracy as presently understood and work inwards.

That CNN article on Perry is striking to me in how tepid his support for Trump is now.

He sounds like someone who will testify once he has his finger-pointing/under-the-bus-throwing excuses properly lined up.

We need to impeach that fucker and get him out REMOVE him before the fucking election. I saw some ads from some Conservative Republicans attacking Trump!!! Now that's what we need. Time to bring it. He is getting nuttier and nuttier. Mattis is going after him too. And doing it with class.

Gotta hand it to Trump for sticking it to the Libtards and making them pay for renovating his hotel! I'm proud that my tax money is going to such a worthy cause!

[quote] I think Mattis has the key. Don't get angry at Trump just make fun of him. It'll drive him crazy.

Trump trolls them and they troll him back. That's the language he "understands".

Delete Facebook and Instagram from your phone. Delete or suspend your accounts.

r411....that was actually reported 2 YEARS AGO, but when it became public that Trump was attempting it, it was forgotten....UNTIL Pompeo brought the head of FSB to the CIA ....then it was forgotten....now its back in the news because IT WAS NEVER FORGOTTEN BY TRUMP. Its the same with sanctions...Trump tried to immediately lift sanctions...until news leaked out...but hes been lifting them quietly behind everyones back since then....and continues to do so even if he has to fabricate things to do it. He also has help now....McConnell lifted sanctions against Deripaska....and all the members of the GOP who received Russian money backed him up.

Reuters:

Energy chief Perry says departure has 'absolutely nothing' to do with Ukraine

Washington Post:

Analysis: The impeachment inquiry is making Nancy Pelosi more popular

419, arrested by the SDNY.

It appears that all of Trump's "personal attorneys" end up being arrested by them.

Call for Mr. Sekulow.

It should be legal to slap every high almighty conservative in the face when they try to defend Trump by using what-about-isms and Fox News' made up Fake News.

Every once in a very great while I will switch over to Faux News and I did so the other night when all the Syria mess was unfolding. Not surprisingly, both times I checked that channel it was all about Elizabeth Warren. Scary that's all their audience sees.

Trump speaking to the press today:

"There's a cease-fire or a pause or whatever you want to call it….We have ISIS under control. We've taken control of the oil in the Middle East, the oil that everybody was worried about. The US has control of that. And there are no shots being fired."

What in the world does "taken control of the oil in the Middle East" mean?

"or whatever you want to call it"? What a fucking retard idiot. This guy did not get out of school without someone doing his homework or Daddy just giving them a huge some of money for a diploma.

[quote] giving them a huge some of money for a diploma.

Oh dear!

[quote]Blissfully, Mattis effortlessly roasted Trump at a NY gala dinner. Best riff of all was to point out that he never served.

How about instead of roasting Trump like it's some Vegas lounge act, Mattis, a very respected man and general, actually speak out against the dangerous, outrageous, treasonous, criminal behavior of Trump? You know, something that actually matters in some way to the world as a whole instead of just trolling Trump's bloated ego for laughs.

Trump's legal team has sent a letter to CNN, vowing to sue the company for "a substantial payment of damages" over its "sustained barrage of unfair, unfounded, unethical and unlawful attacks" against Trump.

LOL R434. Yeah, typo I missed. I found it funny too. DL really needs an edit button.

Another lawsuit that won't go anywhere

Trump is a Ferengi, he lives according to the Rules of Acquisition.

He is all about the money.

Oil=Money

[quote]Another lawsuit that won't go anywhere...

It doesn't matter if they go anywhere. They don't expect them to go anywhere. They are there to waste time and push everything away into the future. It's what Trump has done his entire life. He seems to have always gotten away with it, too.

AP:

Hillary Clinton implies Gabbard is favored by Russia

R438, but this won't even turn into a lawsuit. It's just a threatening letter, which is pathetic.

NBC:

Trump says Erdogan wants cease-fire to work after reports of violence on Syria-Turkey border

Washington Post:

Impeachment inquiry shows Trump at the center of Ukraine efforts against rivals

From The link at R444. Really too delightful. Now remove the felonious fucker.

[quote] Nick Akerman, a prosecutor who investigated President Richard Nixon, said that unlike Watergate, when prosecutors struggled to figure out Nixon’s role in the events they were investigating, a growing body of evidence points directly to Trump.

[quote] “Here, you’ll have that in spades,” Akerman said. “All these individuals, all testifying that this is what happened. . . . It’s just cascading at this point.”

[quote] Akerman said that unlike Nixon’s loyal cadre of aides, Trump’s outer circle of aides and advisers is increasingly unwilling to shield him from what some view as his own dubious behavior.

[quote] “This is a situation where you’ve got a lot of people who are career people, extremely smart people who certainly don’t want their reputations smeared,” Akerman said. “Trump had to use these foreign services people and professionals. He didn’t speak Ukrainian and Russian. He couldn’t communicate his threat without these people. He was forced to use people whose loyalty was to the U.S. government and Constitution and not to him.”

[quote] And, he added, each new witness and detail seems to reveal a common thread: “You’ve got Trump clearly involved.”

R435, Mattis' joke/roast was a preamble to an incisive analysis of the depth of BLOTUS' corruption and betrayal. Here's his speech in its entirety. The serious part starts around 6:00. Apologies that, ironically, the link is Faux News Facebook. It's the only place where I could find the entire speech instead of the useless sound bite.

CNN:

Trump campaign threatens to sue CNN, citing Project Veritas videos

LOL. Trump is pulling the same stunt as Meghan Markle?

[bold]AFP news agency[/bold]

@AFP #BREAKING Turkish bombardment violating truce: Kurdish spokesman

r411

[quote]The Trump Administration is poised to outsource election security to FSB and Russia? What could possibly go wrong?

The FEC is underfunded, its Chief is going around saying the elections are vulnerable and she won't be silenced. r426 has Trump's & the GOP's number

The conventional wisdom is settling on "the damn is breaking" or "we are at the smash & grab" part of Trump tenure. IDK. Maybe the criminal gang in the WH is simply no longer afraid of consequences, like they were earlier on, because they have consolidated power.

r413

[quote]. So what's the point? Just tell Trump to go fuck himself and meet somewhere else. But I bet none of them has the balls to do this.

And you just know he's planning different humiliations, why given him such a strong home court advantage?

r430

[quote] It should be legal to slap every high almighty conservative in the face when they try to defend Trump by using what-about-isms and Fox News' made up Fake News.

It should be legal to slap every high-almighty conservative the face, regardless of circumstances.

r447 jesus fuck, go to the Meghan Markle bashing threads, you freak. I swear they've infested every bit of the DL lately.

Mulvaney has a shadowy past in SC politics. He came from a gerrymandered district designed to eliminate an incumbent Democrat. He had a controversy with shady land deals.

Say what, r451?

Clearly I meant r448.

R447 Shakedown/extortion letter.

CNN laughed back.

Clear to me but maybe not other posters, r454.

There was a court hearing today in Columbia whereby a former SC GOP Congressman is challenging the South Carolina Republican Party for cancelling the 2O20 Republican presidential primary.

Unable to get the most recent link to post on DL.

Scott Dworkin @funder BREAKING: GOP Congressman Francis Rooney announces support for impeachment inquiry, citing Mulvaney’s disastrous press conference: “I want to get the facts and do the right thing. Because I’ll be looking at my children a lot longer than I’m looking at anybody in this building.”

Alternative link.

I watched the whole Mattis speech from the other night, and I admire his serious sentiments after the funny sound bites, but I agree that he should say what he said much more plainly and in a non-performative setting. Just drop the analogies with Lincoln and the high-minded talk about coming together, and say exactly what Trump is doing wrong and how we can stop him.

[quote]Trump's legal team has sent a letter to CNN, vowing to sue the company for "a substantial payment of damages" over its "sustained barrage of unfair, unfounded, unethical and unlawful attacks" against Trump.

But was it written in Comic Sans MS?

Yeah, R447, that's what this administration is all about: fairness and ethics.

Washington Post:

Trump says he’ll host G7 summit at cost at his resort — but provides few details

Why doesn't he host it for free, if he's so rich?

Has any journalist asked him that?

Trump will remodel the resort at taxpayer expense. calling it prep expense for the summit. Government will pay for the bedbug spray also.

So apparently the Democrats in Congress who support impeachment have consolidated their position in the race to election even in the most competitive districts. The message that needs to be hammered in those districts is "Trump is abusing his authority and putting himself above the law. We need to do what’s right and uphold the rule of law." On the other hands, the Republicans who do NOT support impeachment seems to be on shakier ground. That article is like catnip to read.

Good luck with suing CNN - then all the truth about him would come out.

The Hill:

McConnell: Trump's troop pull back in Syria a 'grave strategic mistake'

It drives me nuts that so many newscasters are missing the point of Trump/Barr/Pompeo racing around the world trying to uncover the secret (and non-existent) DNC server in Ukraine. It’s not that they’re trying to manufacture dirt on Hillary or vindicate Trump or anything. No. They’re trying to absolve Russia of all blame and thus remove all sanctions. They’re doing what they’re doing for Putin's sake.

[quote]Dear @LindseyGrahamSC,

This is your monster.

You built him.

You supported him.

YOU FUCKING GOLFED WITH HIM WHILE BOMBS FELL ON WOMEN AND CHILDREN.

You fought right minded people who tried to get rid of him.

You championed his evil policies.

This is all you motherfucker.

Reuters:

Republican group slams Trump over Ukraine, G7 in new ads

Can't the cable media bimbos convey the same truth with their frequentt references of LG?

_________

Newsweek:

Politico:

Trump campaign embraces Mulvaney's explosive 'Get over it' comment

^frequent

ABC:

Perry rejects congressional subpoena, insists resignation not related to Ukraine

[quote]McConnell: Trump's troop pull back in Syria a 'grave strategic mistake'

Every time I hear someone mention Trump or his "administration" and the words "strategy" or "strategic" in the same sentence, I have to laugh like the man in the green shirt.

Hillz cleared of buttery-males malfeasance for the millionth time

the Trump campaign is now selling t-shirts that say Get Over It.

[quote]Hillz cleared of buttery-males malfeasance for the millionth time

For now. But after President Trump finds the DNC server in Ukraine with Seth Rich's fingerprints all over it (not to mention suspicious pizza grease stains), THEN you’ll all see!!!!

Mitch McConnell releases an editorial against the invasion... on the Friday news dump. I guess so he can say he said something?

Maybe I’m being naive, but I think Moscow Mitch is gently hinting here to GOP Senators that they have room to vote to convict if that’s what they need to do, politically speaking. Maybe Vlad told him to cut bait.

Of course, it’s Moscow Mitch we're talking about, so who the hell knows?

Moscow Mitch talks out of both sides of his mouth all the time.

Nah I don't buy it. I think he's saying the minimal amount necessary to show he's paying attention.

Moscow Mitch would throw Trump under the bus if it guarantees his own reelection, no questions asked.

Exactly R469.

By the way. Pete Sessions is t he son of William Sessions former FBI or DoJ head. He went in to private practice and was representing oligarchs. No wonder they thought Petey might be helpful to them.

R460, I don't fault Mattis. I've been reading about him a lot, and the only reason he said anything at all is because Trump called his name and attacked him. He is known as "the warrior monk." He lives an almost monastic existence, he hasa code, and he is revered and respected by his fellow generals and by the rank and file soldiers. He has a code. I think his speech said a lot about the current situation and Trump. He's not McRaven. He's an historian and an intellectual and he's going to express himself that way. Go back and listen to the speech. His referencing Lincoln's Lyceum speech was pretty damned profound and important. We haven't seem much in the way of that kind of intelligent presentation. Mattis is a good man. He's a patriot, and almost an anachronism.

Caroline Orr @RVAwonk · 1h It’s important to point out here that a Russian “asset” is not the same thing as a Russian “agent”. An asset can be witting or unwitting; it’s any person or org who can be used to advance Russia’s interests. It’s pretty clear that Tulsi satisfies that criteria.

exactly r487, Putin never went up to Trump and said I want you to be my stooge.

But we are there.

Per Jeremy Peters of NYT:

Tulsi Gabbard -- Democrat, Sanders supporter and combat veteran -- is under consideration for UN ambassador, per senior Trump aide.

r489....thats from 2016....yes, it was true.

Lindsey Graham was golfing with Trump as the Syrians were dropping bombs on the Kurds. Don't listen to him. There's nothing there beyond being a Trump sychophant.

They're just covering their asses so they can say "we spoke out but I'm only one man!"

See if it ever comes up in a vote. Congress should take control of the war.

Congress should take control of every war, but it never will. Cowards. Surrendering warmaking and all of foreign policy to the President is probably the thing that would horrify the Founders the most. But it may be too late to turn that clock back.

Now there is video footage of Florida governor Ron De Santis hugging Giuliani's Ukrainian homies

hmmm, another stolen election r494. Wonder where else these guys have been.

Remember...DeSantis was so far up Trumps ass he made Gaetz and Jordan look like fangurls.

Re: the Military.....

NYT: The Navy Wants to Push Out Problem SEALs. But Trump May Get in the Way.

The gist of the attached: McConnell, who once thought that he could quickly shut down any impeachment trial, has changed his tune. He now thinks that impeachment is inevitable and that the Senate trial will be prolonged. Vulnerable Republicans must put on a show of fairness.

Mitch may think he's going to wrap this up by the end of the year, but I really doubt that. Clinton's trial lasted about five weeks. This is going to involve more witnesses and more charges.

That maniacal asshole Michael Moore, who was INSTRUMENTAL in Hillary losing is on MSNBC now claiming "we need women to run for high office and not a moment too soon" after EVISCERATING Hillary and being a total Bernloon!

Naturally, Katie Tur hasn't the brain power to take him to task on it! IDIOTS!

House will definitely pass impeachment charges.

I think the Senate will not get the votes BUT it will be close. Frustrating but scary for Trump. And who knows...if Trump keeps being crazy and the impeachment polls keep rising...

At the rate Trump is committing impeachable offenses, they may have no choice but to impeach.

Trump will have to be dragged out of the White House by the army.

Wow, it's now Michael Moore's fault Hillary lost? Inconceivable.

Unless he resigns first like Nixon — which is completely unlikely — the House will impeach him. Guaranteed.

A few weeks ago, McTurtle and the Senatrice were floating the motion of simply dismissing the indictment counts. Not so much any more because they have seen the detailed reports of what the career diplomats have been saying. They now know they are not going to be able to sweep this under the rug. And, yes, this is going to take a while. Moscow Mitch thinks that this could be wrapped up by Christmas if the House impeaches by Thanksgiving. Yeah, good luck with that. Pelosi controls the timing and she is going to drop the articles of impeachment on her schedule, not Mitch’s.

Impeachment does have a momentum of its own. Moscow Mitch is discovering that. He's usually on top of things, but this he can't control. Deep down, he knows it's not going to be nearly as calm and orderly as he pretended at first. It's still very unlikely Trump will actually be removed, but there's still that little but as things get crazy and more and more and more of the horseshit that is this administration comes out.

True, and the Republicans are getting nervous...the polls, the admissions, Trump acting up, etc...

Before the House vote, Trump will call for violence ("They're trying to cancel your vote — make your voice heard!") from his followers. Mobs in front of the Capitol. His scary biker supporters will be there.

The Secret Service will have to escort the monster out of the White House.

[quote]Now there is video footage of Florida governor Ron De Santis hugging Giuliani's Ukrainian homies

Yeah, called that one on election night. No way he or that pointy headed serpent who got elected to the Senate that night in Florida (whose name I will not even bother to look up) actually won. All kinds of obvious irregularities in the returns coming in that night.

And, does Moscow Mitch actually think there is anyone alive who can't see through his crap about "impeaching Trump by Thanksgiving" being him trying to force it by setting up expectations? When he isn't, it will all of a sudden be "What's taking so long?" or "Why are the Democrats dragging this out?". Nancy isn't falling for your bullshit, Mitch, and either are we. (Unfortunately, it seems the media is since they keep reporting him saying this without confronting the reason he's saying it.)

[quote]scary biker supporters will be there.

Don't worry so much about it.

Those circles around the eyes. Recent.

CPAP machine?

Yeah, I would stay away from Deplorables. They may attempt to shield their beloved Trump and, in their ineptitude, literally shoot themselves in the foot or at each other since their testosterone is sky high and they are looking for a fight to establish their (white, male) dominance.

Come to think of it. Wouldn't it be something if some Deplorables try to offer their protection to Trump in person and shoot him by accident, because they are so overeager to please?

Trump: That idiot shot me! That fucking idiot shot me!!!

When all the TV networks are broadcasting the trial and the evidence against not only Trump, but the GOP in general, is heard in gory detail, Mitch is gonna long for these halcyon days of testimony being given behind closed doors.

[quote]Come to think of it. Wouldn't it be something if some Deplorables try to offer their protection to Trump in person and shoot him by accident, because they are so overeager to please?

And so inspired by their hallowed leader boasting he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it.

I still don't Trust McConnell. We need to keep up the #MoscowMitch type pressure because it upsets him. And #LeningradLindseyGraham acts like someone with dementia. He could take a nap, then wake up and contradict himself. No, what needs to keep happening is the polls have to keep getting worse for them. Not just Trump but the polls for the Senate races. And the second thing that has to keep happening is for willing witnesses to desert this rotten hulk of a sinking ship. Because the true heros here are not the Senate or House GOP poll watchers who decide to offer tepid criticism, but the people who ignore Trump's order to stonewall, and come forward in spite of the threats so they can tell the truth. You can bet Trump is going to call for something outrageous. And Nancy needs to tack the Puerto Rico stuff to the Ukrainian stuff. Trump withheld aid to people who needed it and his motive was political.

When I saw the news bullet about the Kurdish journalist and his wife and baby it broke my heart. Richard Engel was on last night talking about how disgusted and sickened the kurds are because of Trump's comments, and this betrayal. There are 250,000 Kurds running for their lives through all kinds of hostile territory, with Turkish militia gangs and other Syrian factions not knowing who to trust, etc. International community and most foreign policy professionals are calling this an ethnic cleansing, and all are holding Trump responsible. People are also talking about the meeting Erdogan and Putin are having in a few days. BTW: Trump and Erdogan have been frenemies for years and know a lot of the same Russian Mafia guys.

I understand Pelosi has to keep the focus on just a few things, but we have a criminal in the White House and if there are similar actions, like withholding aid from Puerto Rico, or other abuses of power they need to go on her short list, because the same thing happened with Watergate. It wasn't the break in...or the cover up...it was also demonstrating a pattern of behavior, and we have that pattern here.

Yes, there are a lot of Russian assets sprinkled throughout government, but Trump is a fucking agent. He has orders and an agenda and he is carrying out his Mission for Putin. He's is a fucking traitor and that word needs to assigned to him. Russia is a criminal state. Organized Crime and the government have merged. This has been true for almost the entire time Putin has been in power....19 years. It started when the old Soviet Union collapsed and all the gas and oil and metals, etc that had been nationalized, owned by the state, were now being broken up and sold off. The billions being made from all of that and the private good squads of professional assassins, who were former KGB or GRU or FSB are all part of it. Putin's control of fuel supplies threatens all of Europe. There's the President in Hungary who is mobbed up and so is Erdogan. We need some strong laws passed and enforced with clear penalties once we get through this.

It could happen -- remember what happened with Cheyney and the shotgun!

What R514 is talking about, in case y'all didn't hear

I would love it if this HUD stuff took down Ben Carson.

Anyone in bed with Trump deserves to be dunked in shit.

A derivative of something Sinclair Lewis wrote is apporpriate here. When Fascism comes to the United States it will be wrapped in the Flag and Carrying a Cross. This so explains Popmeo and his ilk.

R518 so true. So so fucking true.

As long as Barr is AG, corruption will flourish throughout this administration. He hàs turned the DoJ into a 'fixer network' and a campaign functionary for DoJ. He defies constitutional law. His damaging behavior will pose judiciary problems for many years to come.

Barr needs to be impeached himself. Hold this character accountable. Every day he remains in office, the greater the harm happens.

[quote] Barr needs to be impeached himself.

A-fucking-men!

.... functionary for DJT (not DoJ)

.... functionary for DJT (not DoJ)

How do we get rid of Pompeo and Barr? Is the impeachment process the same?

Does anyone else think Barr looks like a cat?

There is something feline about his face.

He'll never get the Nobel Peace Prize, but now Dump is up for the distinction of War Criminal.

I order to get rid of Trump by House's impeachment (and Senate's conviction) a whole lot of government officials need to get fired / impeached themselves. Barr, McConnell for once. This chain of firing / impeachment procedures would take as long (if not longer) than the 2020 election (which needs to be safeguarded against Putin and the GOP's meddling by some out of this world Hollywood magic). So, there is a whole lot do and Pelosi and Schiff are rather hoping for the election to take care of some of their problems.

Yes R525. The Cheshire Cat.

He reminds me of the fugly Queen of Hearts.

I need a silly break from all of this, so I randomly found myself wondering how the Hall of Presidents at Disney World will cope if Trump does end up convicted.

They can move that animatronic figure to the Hall of Shame

WaPo: State Department probe of Clinton emails finds no deliberate mishandling of classified information.

Lock her ... oh, wait.

Meow!

The problem with Pence replacing Trump, is that Pence will retain much of the cabinet for the year, and new appointments would be drawn from the same pool. Kuchner, Ivanka, Miller, and Mulvaney would be out of the WH quickly.

Though they were say it on record, or in public, many of those House and Senate Republicans wish Trump just resigns, Pence then finishes Trump's term, and Romney runs for 2020. They know Pence is covered in Trump slime himself, and could not win in 2020. Romney would look like an experienced fresh start. He could contrast well vs Elizabeth Warren, or anther Democratic nominee, who could be clearly running left of center.

^Though they 'won't' say it on record

534

I knew a cat once who looked like Bill Barr.

Then she died.

Pence would be a frozen ineffectual placeholder for the most part. I am ok with that compared to the insanity we have now.

And I do agree, it would solve many problems for the Republicans if Trump resigned, and they could run Romney...

Too bad the deplorable base, and their *independent* cronies, had no idea he would drain the swamp right into their basements.

Exactly, R537. It's clear that Romney is positioning himself for just that scenario.

We need Trump to stay in office through the 2020 election so he can be defeated by the Democratic candidate and, hopefully, the Senate flips too.

With a comparatively "sane and steady" GOP candidate in place of Trump, a Democrat winning the WH is much less likely IMO, especially if Sanders or Warren is the candidate.

The independents and suburbanites who helped flip the House in 2018 might choose Sanders or Warren over Trump, but not Romney. Mittens will be the seemingly moderate "comfort food candidate" to counter those "damned Socialists" even though he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Plus we'll have 4 more years of right wing judges getting placed to ensure the Federalist Society takeover of the Judicial Branch.

I wonder if Pence ever questions his assumption that God wants him to be President. Maybe's God's plan is for Pence to simply tell the truth about Trump, as Pence publicly resigns to prove that he isn't saying these things to take Trump's job.

Ole Kellyanne Conway has violated the Hatch Act over 50 times this year alone.

Suspend her Twiitter account.

Newsweek is noting the Kellyanne Hatch Act violations on Twiiter as well.

Kellyanne Conway should be viciously cunt-punched whenever she goes out in public.

Could this be why she's been quiet lately? She must have known about those articles coming out.

This is a right-wing link trying to smear CNN. Not endorsing it.

If it happened, it is funny though.

[quote]BREAKING: CNN Media Coordinator states ‘Jeff Zucker goes into the control room while Jake Tapper is interviewing Kellyanne Conway’; tells Executive Producer to skip commercials, extend 7 minute interview to 25 minutes to “just f**king nail her”

r545 don't post that trash here.

Adam Weinstein @AdamWeinstein · 3m Read this thread. War crimes and atrocities appear to not only have been expected, but part of the plan when Erdogan called Trump

Rukmini Callimachi @rcallimachi 1. A US official with direct knowledge of events tells me that the US has knowledge that Turkey transported Arab militiamen from one part of Syria west of Manbij into Turkey, to then cross back into Syria alongside the Turkish military in order to fight Kurds.

2. These are the militiamen carrying out atrocities like the execution of a Kurdish female politician (her difficult-to-read autopsy is below). We know Turkey backs these militias. But actually moving them from one part of Syria to another is complicity of a different order.

3. According to the official, the movement of the militia fighters occurred around 2 weeks ago. Turkey didn’t just invade. If true, it planned an offensive *with* these militias, moving them across international borders to get them properly situated in the battle zone.

4. I keep on going over the autopsy of the Kurdish woman. Having traveled to these areas myself, I’ve sometimes nurtured the erroneous thought that my gender would offer me some protection. Who’d kill an unarmed woman? She was dragged by her hair until part of her scalp fell out.

5. For the kind people who are DM’ing messages of concern for my safety, I am thousands of miles away from the battle zone on maternity leave caring for my baby, but between feedings it’s very hard to look away from this.

That unbelievably horrifying and heartbreaking photo of that poor child should be blown up and placed over Trump's face forever.

Impeach, jail, indict on war crimes !

As stated and a reminder, Project Veritas is a right-wing disinformation outfit. Beware, what they are doing. Jake Trapper hasn't interviewed KAC lately, and CNN is not going to relinquish contracted and lucrative commercial time. Such is not breaking news.

This is noted because Kellyanne avoids, or is not invited, or is banned from certain newscasts, external to Fox & related. She has been turning increasingly to Twitter as an outlet to spew, violating the Hatch Act in the process. I posted r541 & r542 as well.

"When the Office of Special Counsel recommended that Trump remove Conway from serving due to the violations, he said the office was threatening her right to free speech. Neither Trump nor Conway have indicated any intention of addressing or changing her conduct on Twitter."

There are a LOT of people who are absolutely clueless if they think its as easy as voting Trump out in 2020. THE 2016 ELECTION WAS RIGGED....2020 will make 2016 look like a clerical error.

R551 Good point. The forces intending to rig again are not really hidding their intent. Some even gloat about it. Barr will allow it, and appears to be part of the conspiratorial behavior at work. Investigators will be constrained, even pursued for prosecution, if they effectively monitor Trump and his sinister network, domestic and foreign. 2000 & 2004 were domestic cheating. 2016, introduced foreign inteference along with he domestic irregularities. 2020 will have nastier efforts. Operations such as Facebook will do their part again with social media disinformation, despite announced cosmetic changes.

Certain states and precincts will have penetrations and altered tallies. Discovery will be blamed on faulty machines. Then post-election results inquiries will be subdued, declared inconclusive, or not be fully reported.

r552 you sound awfully fatalistic and almost like you're trying to make people despair and not bother voting.

r552 is a concern troll.

The Hill:

Trump embarks on Twitter spree amid impeachment inquiry, Syria outrage

Richard Engels's tweets about the Kurds are horrifying. Here are a couple:

he top Kurdish commander in Syria, General Mazlum Kobane told @NBCNews he is trying to pull his forces back from Ras al-Ayn, but Turkey is not allowing it. He alleges Turkey does not want Kurdish fighters to withdraw - a condition of the ceasefire - but to kill them.

US officials tell me ALARM BELL RINGING among diplomats in DC that U.S. could one day be held responsible for Crimes Against Humanity for ethnic cleansing of Syrian Kurds by opening the door to it, watching it, encouraging it (Trump's tweets and statements) and not stopping it.

The cease-fire has not stopped. Turkey doesn't want Kurds to be able to leave Erdogan wants to kill them.

Washington Post:

Add risk of government shutdown to impeachment and other legislative logjams

He thinks he can halt the impeachment process if he shuts down the government?

CNN:

Here are the lawmakers who are not seeking reelection to Congress in 2020

[556] It is horrifying!

[quote] The cease-fire has not stopped. Turkey doesn't want Kurds to be able to leave Erdogan wants to kill them.

[quote]The top Kurdish commander, Gen Mazlum as he is generally known, called for the "urgent opening" of a “security corridor” to allow for the withdrawal of Kurdish forces, a condition of the White House brokered ceasefire with Turkey.

[bold]ERDOGAN IS MEETING PUTIN IS SOCHI ON OCT 22[bold]

This whole thing looks extremely coordinated, stage managed. Either Erdogan is planning to massacre to Kurds before meeting Putin OR Putin will "convince" Erdogan of creating the security corridor for encircled Kurds. Putin has played "peacemaker" before.

Erdogan is not grateful to Trump for green-lighting his war crimes campaign. He was deeply insulted by Trump's ridiculous "don't be a fool" letter. I can only imagine what the Saudis are thinking of Trump's brag that he "controls" the oil in the Middle East. Even the people he grovels in front of must hate him.

Whoever started linking Washington Post and other news sources through MSN — THANK YOU!!!! Brilliant idea.

I don’t think that tRump is hoping to stop impeachment by shutting down the government, but instead is going to try and hold the impeachment inquiry hostage to needed legislative actions. He’s going to be in for quite a shock if he thinks that’s going to work.

[r561]Even the people he grovels in front of must hate him.

Trump is beneath contempt.

[quote]Whoever started linking Washington Post and other news sources through MSN — THANK YOU!!!! Brilliant idea.

I add my voice to this appreciation.

FYI, a few years ago, maybe tenor so, Kelly Anne Conway and her husband George owned a condo in Trump Tower in NYC, one floor below a Russian Mafiosi. Fact. I will go back and check to see what the dates were.

Thanks, R559. We need to have that up in every thread.

[Quote]Rep. Francis Rooney of Florida announced on October 19 he will not seek reelection, after suggesting he was open to supporting the impeachment of President Donald Trump.

What the hell happened here? Trump tweeted this morning that Republicans must stick together. Who got to him?

R553 No, not the intent. Suppose it sounded dismal. It is something that has to be addressed before voting to enhance integrity in the system. The media needs to press the matter constantly, not as discouragement, but awareness of the vulnerabilities surfacing. McConnell allowed the vote to distribute the funds after Grover Norquist demanded it. Each state decides how they will use it. A bunch of states still will not be using back-up paper ballots. Not encourging with that complacency, given the recent report on hacking. Congress and watchdog groups must keep the pressure active. Turn-out depends, in part, on accessibility. Combating voter suppression is certainly a motivator.

R554, you are not worth addressing.

[quote]Trump tweeted this morning that Republicans must stick together.

... or, most assuredly, hang separately.

We need the fucking Senate. I'm glad House members' support is crumbling. Especially among the assholes who are "retiring." Remember. Barr met with Murdoch. Until we see Fox turning against Trump he can still affect public opinion. I'm betting Barr's strategy is the hang Guliani, and even Sondland. And Trump walks away.

It'll be Scooter Libby over again in that case. Although I bet Rudy won't be as loyal as Scooter.

I think Rudy is so mentally handicapped at this point that he won't even know how to defend himself or what he's defending himself against.

When in 2016 Trump repeatedly claimed that the world was laughing at us and that the Democrats had lost us our power in the world, he was predicting what he himself would do. Everything he says is projection.

[quote] I'm betting Barr's strategy is the hang Guliani, and even Sondland. And Trump walks away.

I just don’t see how that would work in this case. There is simply too much evidence from multiple sources all pointing to tRump being integral to the scheme. We know what happened. Rudy pumped Cheatolini full of these nonsensical conspiracy theories about Biden. As Bill Maher said, once this dunderhead gets an idea in that empty cranium he won’t let it go (tiny hands, the size of the electoral victory, the inaugural crowd size, etc.). He became obsessed with Hunter and Joe Biden. I don’t think Rudy will be able to save him. And Sondland — he’s not taking the fall for this clown. He has no intention of spending one minute in federal prison. As soon as they start to squeeze him he’ll sing like bird.

r574, and it appears that Sondland told the truth or in Republican parlance, he sang like a canary.

No one is going to believe that Rudy was the mastermind of anything.

Sondland was trying to avoid getting himself in trouble for this mess. Because he's in the middle of it.

As soon as Trump's team reveals what they uncovered in Hawaii about Obama's birth certificate, they’ll let us know what they found out in Ukraine. In the meantime, they’ll be whispering about "blockbuster revelations" coming any day now.

Rudy is the type to keep records - it's the lawyer in him. He's not going to go down for anything - he'll cut a deal first.

Has this been posted? Don't read if you've just eaten.

NYT: In Bracing Terms, Trump Invokes War’s Human Toll to Defend His Policies

Washington Post:

Inside Joe Biden’s brawling efforts to reform Ukraine — which won him successes and enemies

R579, Rudy has threatened that already, by waving around his phone boasting that he had kept all his messages from the State Department. The urge to keep records is the last thing to go in a lawyer.

The Hill:

Trump says his Doral resort will no longer host G-7 after backlash

The entire point of that Doral shit was to give him a distraction from the Syria issue, which he got. And Republicans spent the entire week looking like weenies for defending it. (I'm looking at you, The Federalist).

LOL. He probably was made aware of that he'd have to cough up the money to spruce it up himself.

Trump has caved on holding the G7 at Doral. Blames media and Democrats.

At least the world leaders won't get bedbugs now

Oh sorry for the redundancy, the thread wasn't showing me those last few posts and I thought I was posting something new.

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R583, you mean Mulvany was lying when he claimed that they did an elaborate study and concluded that Doral was the absolute best location? That's such a shock!

Get Over It™, r590!

[quote]Trump has caved on holding the G7 at Doral. Blames media and Democrats.

All the Democrats? Not just Obama and Hillary?

“I thought I was doing something very good for our country by using Trump National Doral, in Miami, for hosting the G-7 leaders”

How, exactly??

He's a greedy miser, and will always try to squeeze the last penny out of a situation.

I heard a pundit say last week that the Doral was not a good place to have it. The event is usually held in an isolated or hard to get at locale, and the Doral is in the middle of a busy neighborhood next to an airport.

Good Lord in heaven!

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