Stranger Things Season 3 (Part II)

Link to Part I

Sad to see the actress who plays Nancy looked normal weight (at least facially), just a few years ago, as posted in the previous thread . Now...she's skeletal. DL's Darfur Orphan probably outweighs her!

Does that not impact her ability to get insured?

But at least she’s not a fatty, R2. Nobody likes a fatty.

Not true, R3. Everyone loved Barb.

R2 I thought the reverse. I thought she filled out a little for the last season. She looked very sick in the first and second seasons.

Good point, R4. Her weight wasn't as noticeable in Season 3. I don't know if that's because she was healthier or the producers dressed her in clothes with more coverage.

I only watch this show because of the 80s.

The biggest star is the 80s. I probably wouldn't watch if it was set in present day. The story lines are kind of ridiculous. They're recycling the same old stuff.

And Omg please, could we just not make 11 bleed from the nose every single time she uses her power? Like I am just cringing from the amount of purported blood loss she has. Could we just save the blood for the major times? Little moves here and and there shouldn't have blood. Can we just reduce the blood please? It's just too over the top.

They're recycling stuff on the show. It's getting to less organic. That Steve Harrington though. He is so sweet and nice. I don't care if the Sheriff doesn't return. They made him so stupid it's more believable that he's following Darwin's laws by dying.

R5 I don't think she filled out. I think they covered her up more, as R6 said. I think she always wore a long-sleeved/baggy shirt. But I agree that she has always looked sickly on that show.

R8 Maybe the digitally altered her face. I haven't seen her red carpet photos so maybe she looks different.

I agree, R7. How many times is that monster going to keep coming back? The damn gate was locked in Season 2.

Yeah. A new villain is needed if they continue. Might be cool to see more people with powers.

The Russians have at least one Demagorgon, so we're in for more of that/those in S4.

Thank God the one the toothless kid raised from a pup (?) died in s2. I couldn't take anymore of him squalling over 'Dart' this and 'Dart' that. Nauseating.

Too bad that Will didn't gain any actual power to fight as opposed to just being able to sense the Mindflayer (and company). Something for his suffering, IOW.

She should have fights with the other numbered children. Right? Where's 8,9, 10, 12 etc??

She should be the most powerful one. There should be like a new secret purpose they were all created for. Not the monster or Russians but some type of evil.

Or maybe 11 becomes the bad guy possessed. That would be a twist. The show ends by 11 dying. All the other numbers kids the 2 or 3 of them (the rest were killed, you couldn't keep track of that large a group anyway). 11 is like Dacre this time around. The monster wanted 1, the monster finally got 11.

Maybe it wouldn't have to be so bad. Maybe the boy in love her would try to save them, and you think they're dead, but actually they're bitter sweetly in the upside down, together forever.

Should it end happy or should it end sad?

R7 recycled in his own post.

R14 Stranger Things writing must be contagious

[quote]And Omg please, could we just not make 11 bleed from the nose every single time she uses her power?

You'd think she'd have learned to stuff some tissue or a cotton ball up her nose when she does the trance thing.

Not sure if this was mentioned in the earlier thread, but Robin is the daughter of Uma Thurman and Ethan Hawke.

R17, she's a more likable actress than Uma so far...

Yeah. Whatever.

R5 She only looks healthy because most of her scenes are next to Jonathan who looks like he’s been a 48 hour bender.

To be fair, Jonathan does look appropriately haggard for someone who keeps getting attacked by monsters... everyone else is suspiciously fresh-faced.

Thanks, R17. You're the first one to mention it... today.

A delight

According to rumors, Season 4 is supposed to start filming in October.

They're already cordoning off and working on sections of that mall in Georgia.

I was hoping they would at least mix-up Eleven's nose with cotton or toilet paper plugs in her nostrils, r7.

Does she even wipe? We don't know, because it's the same, minor bleed every time. Do something different or funny with it one of these times.

It's the same thing with Will grabbing his neck, it's gimmicky and ham-fisted, but you have to remember a lot of kids watch this show so I guess it can't be too subtle.

Did anyone else pop a boner when Billy pulled his Alpha moves?

Can we discuss "it's not my fault you don't like girls" followed by a pregnant pause? Is this a prelude to the character coming out in S4?

Wow, what an observation, R29. I can't believe it's never been brought up here.

He meant to say "it's not my fault you don't like girls"...YET!

R31 Yeah, I read that that was the case, but it's as much about the pause that Mike does after the line as if he's thinking 'whoops, the cat's out of the bag now' as it is the line itself

R26, I'm seeing an opportunity here for Kleenex product placement. (This show loves its product placements.)

R29, that doesn't necessarily mean he likes boys. Maybe he's just a late bloomer. But, as was discussed in Part II of this thread, in Season 1, his mom tells Hopper that Will's dad bullied him because he seemed gay, and his mom dodges Hopper's question as to whether he's actually gay. At that point, the character was only about 10 years old, but a mother knows...

It would be very uncommon for a boy that young to come out in the 80s, but if his family is moving to a bigger city, who knows. At this point, if I were the producers, I would keep it ambiguous. Put enough out there so that gay viewers can claim the character, but also enough so that straight viewers can claim him. That way, people will continue to analyze the show years after it has ended.

Yes, let's make any excuse to ungay Will *rolls eyes*

R34 Would they actually have the balls to write the character as a 15/16-yr old gay boy in any case, given his age?

I would hope that Will, as a gayling, would have better taste than mooning over Mike, with his doofus haircut, odd looks and stork-like legs.

R37, the heart wants what the heart wants. But maybe he'll meet someone in the new city after his family has moved.

r32 I think you can debate whether Mike was just on the spur of the moment calling Will an immature idiot, or calling him gay because it's what everyone else in Hawkins calls him. What I think is pretty obvious from the cut of that argument they used. Is that straight afterwards Mike realised he'd just called his best friend who he always promised to be there for the thing every dickhead in Will's life has used as an insult, which is why he looks so sorry, and ends up running out after him into a hurricane to apologise. Which he never actually dose because they apparently forgot to write scenes for Noah after episode 4... Not that I'm bitter.

So yeah that scene in itself doesn't prove Will's gay. But lets be real. Will is gay.

If the fucking Disney Channel has the balls, it would be rather pathetic if Netflix didn't, r36.

r37

But Will has the same dorky haircut, and Finn Wolfhard is the new face of YSL.

He looks ridiculous though lets be honest.

^^^What are the pronouns?

Yikes! Finn looks like Bob Dylan, or Ric Ocasek from The Cars, in the campaign.

[quote] Yikes! Finn looks like Bob Dylan [...] in the campaign

Why "yikes"? Bob Dylan ca. 1965 (which is the look they seem to be going for) looked great.

[quote] Bob Dylan ca. 1965 (which is the look they seem to be going for) looked great.

This guy ?!

Like the rest of his castmates, Finn is not conventionally pretty, but he's got an interesting, expressive face and is lanky and somewhat androgynous, and that's what's in for male models right now whether we like it or not.

Finally watched this show to see what the fuss was. Season 1 was great. Season 2, except for that one awful episode, was a subpar rehash. Season 3 started off badly but in the end it’s the 3rd best.

They should explore the underworld more. Do something with the mythology. And tone down the rom-com stuff. That took over. It was fun because it was playing with those 80s horror / SF tropes. They’ve drank their own kool aid.

Thinking about it, maybe they just HAVE to have this family go to the city in order for Will to see a life beyond his town. That is, that gays *exist*. First (Season 3), Will has had to get over his overall arrested development (which he does - at least enough for a paced tv show at least).

I think Finn has a really striking face, with crazy bone structure. I've seen some pictures where he looks beautiful, but it's definitely unconventional.

It’s just that he’s young and everything is tight right now. When his skin starts to sag in his later years, his cheekbones and thin lips will make him look like Mick Jagger. Blegh.

These kids are going to be full-on high schoolers by the time this thing ends.

Who is Max supposedly living with anyway? Have they ever shown her parent(s)?

I thought it was interesting that the Duffer Brothers made no mention of the Season 2 B-plot with Eleven running away with that underground gang. I guess they got so much flak for it that they let that storyline die.

I'm still betting the Byers move to Chicago in 4, and she'll be back. I hated that episode but to just leave it hanging is bad writing.

R52

She lives with her mother and Billy's abusive father. Although, from previous scenes, it seems like the father is only abusive to Billy.

R25, they're actually finally tearing everything down. It's been blocked off since last fall when filming ended. There was talk of leaving everything up and making it a tourist place where fans can visit but I guess that fell through. They've been throwing shit in dumpsters. The mall was destroyed at the end of the season so there's no need to go back there.

[quoteFinally watched this show to see what the fuss was. Season 1 was great. Season 2, except for that one awful episode, was a subpar rehash. Season 3 started off badly but in the end it’s the 3rd best.

Funny about different reactions. I thought Season 1 was OK, loved 2 and thought 3 was better than 1 but not up to 2.

Wait a minute, I think Will might be gay. Did anybody else catch that??

That's ridiculous, R58. There's nothing on the show that ever hinted at Will being gay.

Mike telling Will "It's not my fault that you're not into girls" is simply Mike admitting that he thinks Will is gay. If they're going to pursue Will's sexual orientation as a plotline, they're going to bring in a new character for him to crush on, maybe at his new school. He's a bidding artist so it wouldn't be a stretch for him to meet another art fag.

Will has been bullied for being queer all his life.

I just found out I'm older than the guy who plays the sheriff by three years and it really ruined my day.

I love David harbour

[quote]These kids are going to be full-on high schoolers by the time this thing ends.

They will be highschoolers next season, this season was set in the summer between middle school and them starting highschool.

Some of them will be over 17 by the time they start filming season 4 ( Caleb turns 18 in a few months) I started college at 17 lol

It was awkward in this season, but it'll be easier with high school. Changed fashion and the fact that lots of even 20-somethings can somewhat-plausibly portray high schoolers (though the younger the 20-something and the later the high school grade, the easier it is).

They could also try a season which doesn't just take place over x days but instead over the course of a school year.

In any case, the old world is gone (like the castle byers). Until they start getting D&D nostalgia. And Will will always be a gaymer.

Caleb looks much younger than 18, at least. Unlike Charlie Heaton, who looked like a rough 36 when he was supposed to be 15.

Caleb looks like a normal teenager. The thing is people are so used to seeing the Hollywood depiction of highschoolers that are played by 20-somethings that we forget how young real highschoolers typically look.

Granted, but Caleb looks not at all older than his actual 14yo costars.

r69 He looks a bit older than the rest of them character. Or it could just be that he decided facial hair was the way to go for season 3 promo stuff.

Haha yes, he looks his age with a little scruff, but clean shaven he could easily pass for a freshman. I like his character. I know the DL said he was useless, and S3 gave him very little to do, but I think he has a place on the show. Every friend group needs his brand of "are you guys crazy?!" realist.

I asked this on the other thread, but it filled up before I could get a response.

Would Will coming out as a gay teen really be that much more unlikely than Robyn coming out as Lez (to a straight guy nonetheless) in this small '80s town?

I asked this on the other thread, but it filled up before I could get a response.

Would Will coming out as a gay teen really be that much more unlikely than Robyn coming out as Lez (to a straight guy nonetheless) in this small '80s town?

I asked this on the other thread, but it filled up before I could get a response.

Would Will coming out as a gay teen really be that much more unlikely than Robyn coming out as Lez (to a straight guy nonetheless) in this small '80s town?

Will is about 13/14, Robin is about 17/18.

People are upset that Will isn't already out, even though he is quite young.

r74 I think it should be pointed out Robin came out under the effects of truth serum drugs, to a guy she'd only been close to for a few days, while they were hiding from the Russians when any possible negative reaction would be limited. That's a different scenario to a 14 year old with massive ptsd and bullying issues giving away a secret that could potentially drive away his only friends.

Plus it’s the 80’s didn’t most young gay guys back then stay hidden till they got to college or later?

Never ending story. La la la da da da

Hi Arequipa,

I am sure you were looking for a multitude of responses, but I thought I answered you from my own personal experience near the end of the prior thread.

R71 he is good in small doses because he is not a great actor, same with Erica but we got way too much of her in season 3.

[quote]Never ending story. La la la da da da

The Fag in me loves unexpected musical scenes, like Lange doing "The Name Game" in AHS and this from a low budget horror movie called "Strange Behavior".

I prefer it

R79, thanks Elderlez. I must have missed your post in the end of the last thread. That was a good explanation.

Well the third time he came out would certainly not be a big deal. Folks would be tired of hearing about it.

r84 What?

They are making a joke about the triple posting Rose.

R86, lol. Sorry for the triple post (!).

The "Neverending Story"interludes were quite corny and grating.

Like r78.

I loved it, I've never laughed harder

[quote] his thin lips will make him look like Mick Jagger

What the fuck? Finn and Mick Jagger are both famous for their full lips.

[quote] 16 year old Finn Wolfhard is famous for his full lips

r90 What horrifying discord group have you stumbled in from?

when was he slapped?

r91

His character is literally called "frogface" by a bully in S1, and he has sold merch with a caricature of himself as a frog...

I mean, I get it, I too find it scandalous that actors on TV don't have to wear burqas until the age of 18 so we don't know their physical characteristics, but it is what is is.

Frogface means he has a big mouth. Not full lips. I don't know where you went to school. But bullies rarely start talking about how succulent their targets lips are.

unless they are cocksuckers

That would explain why Troy was so adamant about Will being gay.

Eleven is becoming very pretty. I always found her homely in the past.

it was possibly her hairdo?

This is Billy's Story

I'll never get how anyone can think he was anything even approaching a good character. He was a generic cool man on campus with bullying overbearing tendencies because of an abusive dad, and that's his entire role in season 2. In season 3 he flirts, gets possessed and dies. Oh and we also get an over dramatic scene find out his mum abandoned him as a way to try and force sympathy before that. Dacre did the best with what he was given. But Christ the writing fucked him over.

I liked it, but was happy that the story arc ended

The new season sucked. Hopper and Joyce barely had anything to do and the new annoying kid was not needed. Don't even get me started on them introducing a dyke when they didn't have the balls to make Will gay. Will is an original character. If they wanted to have an LGBT character without making Will gay the least they could do is introduce a gay MALE character. Fuck this shit. I have been a loyal viewer since season one. I will not watch this homophobic show next season.

Did you slap will’s face?

So apparently the decision to make Robin gay came from Maya Hawke and Joe Kerry themselves, the Duffer brothers had written them becoming a couple but they thought it worked better as a platonic relationship with her as a lesbian.

Brilliant. That's definitely the only way a man and a woman can ever have a platonic storyline, is if at least one of them is gay.

They should have made them get together purely on the basis it they wouldn't have to introduce 2 new characters as love interests for them for season 4 that way.

They are cuties

I blasted through these three seasons in the past couple of months. Hadn't seen the first or second when it aired so I'm late to the Stranger Things train. I thought, overall, that it was a good show. Not one of the best ever, but they did a great job casting the show, and that went a long way when it came to the more underwhelming narrative decisions the creators made in Seasons 2 and 3. I thought Season 1 was pretty superb, and I barely remember Season 2, but it continued with the same tone.

Season 3, however, started off so bizarre. All of the characters felt like extreme versions of themselves. I remember having a big issue with Hopper's characterization, and his relationship with Will was so strange. There seemed to be a genuine respect for one another at the end of Season 2 after Hopper owns up for lying to him. It'd have been interesting if they developed that relationship further instead of the childish, disrespectful shouting in the van over Eleven. The nonstop bickering between Hopper and Winona wasn't cute. At all. Everything was just so shrill.

That being said... I thought they nailed the finale. Visually it was quite beautiful, and the visual effects were really well done. I don't know that it was all that fun to watch episode to episode, but they ultimately stuck the landing.

Also, Joe Keery's hot.

Agree, R106.

I agree, r108

R108 Watching Joe Keery spend the entire time running around in a sailor-boy outfit showing off his sexy hairy legs was definitely a major part of the appeal of season 3.

R106 PREACH! They had amazing chemistry. Good luck finding that next season. Also but not least if they needed a character to be gay so they could have a platonic relationship why couldn't it have been Steve? We were robbed of Will being gay. The least they could do is make Steve gay. Or hell... any other male character. The last thing I wanted was a fucking dyke.

Steve was a huge pussyhound.

They should have made Billy bi-sexual. And had Flayed Billy fuck people, to turn them. Missed opportunity, Duffers!

The duffers were beating off to Billy boy

The part of the dyke being jealous of the boy getting all the girls was cringe.. I wanted them together just so they wouldn’t have to indroduce more love interest characters next season. They barely got enough of Will in season 3.

Uhhhhhhh... I'm going through some press for season 3 and I did NOT know that Charlie Heaton was British.

He's 50% British. 50% Cocaine.

Haha does he do coke? He does perpetually look disheveled. He's strangely attractive though.

I'd say it might be due to having a young child, but he's probably always looked like that.

R120, sometimes you need a bump of coke when raising a young child.

^^^ Was that Andy Cohen’s excuse for adopting?

Charlie Heaton seems like he's one of those people who were born looking old and exhausted.

He's probably been snorting coke since kindergarten.

How did this show cast so many fugs? Too unpleasant to watch.

Cuties

How did this show cast so many fugs? Too unpleasant to watch.

You sound sad.

honey bunnies

Just admit it: Adding a lesbian instead of a gay guy after teasing Will being gay for three seasons was a cop out. It was pathetic, hypocritical and offensive. I will never watch the show again now that I know the producers are bigots.

R128 just squatted to piss her line in the sand. Don't cross her.

God you are so tiresome r128. This must be the 127th time you have written that post on this board.

If you could put that energy into something constructive think about how much better your life could be.

R128, they are gay themselves so stop hyperventilating

Are the Duffer brothers gay?

Is this seriously Datalounge? Since when is a straight relationship more important than a gay person coming out? I know you're all pissed that it's not Will, which I get, but how is more heteronormativity a good thing?

If the brothers weren't the ones to propose the girl being a lesbian, it could be that they are just clueless even about what Will sexuality is and its not really on their radar to think in terms of gay representation.

Oh they'll do a gay character.

The entire of season 3 can be boiled down to: boys are pretty much incompetent dopes, girls are smarter and have what it takes to save the world. It's that false, bro-style "feminism", straight guys trying to appease women with unrealistic, exaggerated portrayals of their abilities relative to males. Empowering female characters, yes, but a little TOO much, a little TOO pointedly.

When they do a gay character, it'll be a Magic Faggot (for those of you who recall the "Magic N-word" idea from literary and film theory), just the the girls in season 3 were all Magic Bitches.

Nah, the Duffer Brothers original breakdown for Stranger Things had Will as a gay character r134. They have been envisioning him as gay since the very beginning.

I swear this conversation always goes in the same damn circles.

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So, in other words, they've already done their Magic Faggot character, they just haven't revealed him as gay yet.

[quote] I swear this conversation always goes in the same damn circles.

That's because the mixed signals are so fucking weird. Putting that unambiguous implication into the screenplay in S2, then not filming it. Filming that line of dialogue (and the shocked reaction to it) in S3, then having both actors involved go on record saying it doesn't mean what it obviously means.

Why are they so all over the place with this?

I'd say there's still a fair amount of evidence in show he's gay. What I possibly think is they don't want to confirm he's into Mike which so far is they way they've tried to out him. Because lets be honest that's a relationship deadend they'll never break up the creepy romantic blackhole that is mileven. Poor Will doesn't deserve that level of suffering on top of everything else.

They should introduce a new guy in Season 4 for Will to fall for. Him being into Mike is boring... cause Mike is boring. Will should be into someone outside of his core group who understands him or something.

Also... strangely enough, the Duffer Brothers are apparently straight. One is married to and the other is dating a woman. Could have fooled me since they sound super gay in their interviews, but whatever.

R135 The term is Magical Negro, we're all allowed to use that word.

r141 He's going to a new school in 4. Going by his love of art and dressing up I can see him joining theatre and having a "close" new friendship wth a boy there. Granted we'll probably only spend all of 2 minutes on that. But it's all Suzie got too... So long as he doesn't sing.

And on Mike being boring I think he's being set up to struggle next season. He can no longer spend his time protecting Will, or making out with El. He's grown out of his identity of dungeon master, Lucas actually has a girlfriend, and Dustin has Steve. So Mikes on his own and is going to have to grow into something new as well for all that he yelled at Will to do the same.

Will will have to either move on and join a new group of friends (school theatre clique?) or become the creepy loner who everybody avoids at school, even the bullies.

r144 that's what his older brother was, it would sort of make sense for Will to fallow in his footsteps...

At the very least he's stuck with Eleven. And To be fair even Will takes the piss out of how much of a loner Jonathan is.

[quote] Is that why you don't have any friends? - Will Byers showing his gayling sassyness.

>>>>kicks thread of curb on account of trolls

These kids are going to need so much therapy by the time this show is over.

holy fuck!

[quote]Why are they so all over the place with this?

If you look at everything he has said about it, it seems pretty clear that Noah Schnapp himself doesn't really want Will to be gay.

Everybody on this show is ugly. Has anybody else noticed that?

Poor Noah, always getting pestered by strangers in public bathrooms. Good thing he's got such a happy-go-lucky attitude.

They're not ugly, they're just actual teen-agers--and that means the guys, in particular, are going through that gawky phase. The hair and shorts don't help.

But there's a reason shows like Glee didn't cast real teens. It's not a pretty phase for most of us.

Teenagers are ugly

Noah is weird kid and so very gay. His team will have a hard time keeping him closeted lol

If any of the cast is anything but straight, I wouldn't expect them to come out until well after the show is over.

I don't think the Duffer Brothers were "beating off to Billy Boy."

1) They have been busted or accused of sexually harassing females on their production.

2) The whole Billy characterization smacks of the typical Bullied Nerds casting the Popular Jock as a bully and douchebag, so that the audience, and themselves, can enjoy it when Billy is taken down. It's been a very common trope since the 1980s — especially in horror flicks and Stephen King novels.

So I thinks it's "revenge of the nerds,"not homoerotic romance. But with the rock soundtrack and "Van Halen video" aesthetic at the swimming pool, I think the Duffer Brothers definitely admire the sex appeal of the Billys in the world.

Will DOES have that psychic link to the monsters LOL

They did a great job with Billy in season 2. I remember guys *just fucking like that* (but nowhere near as goodlooking) in the mid to late 80s when my asshole older brother was in high school and friends with guys like that (and he was one himself, he even had the same hair and jean jacket as Billy). The Duffer's (and Dacre) totally nailed the evil 80s rocker jock asshole type. The part of Colorado where I grew up was crawling with em back then.

For one thing, r139, they want you to keep tuning in instead of giving away the plot.

It may very well be that they're under contractual obligation not to divulge Will's sexuality ... yet.

After being neutral about her for years, I've really become a fan of Winona Ryder and her one facial expression on this show!

R154

I was going through my old high school yearbooks shortly before my ten-year reunion, and I realized that all the kids we considered hot back then were really fucking ugly.

There's a reason they cast 20 somethings as teenagers

R161 I don’t see Joyce when I watch this I see Charlotte Flax, she just changed her name to joyce after she murdered her mother.

I want more Dusty Bun/Suzy Poo duets!

Good show, but the bath house scenes were way too short. And they completely forgot to show the room with videos.

[quote] Noah is weird kid and so very gay

r155 What this walking epitome of heterosexuality? Though I hope for his sake he is gay. Otherwise this friendzone level is off the charts.

R167 Wow, he looks 5 years older and as gay as a window. Good for him.

How are windows gay?

Straight people are the ones with flaps over their portals.

It's the hair R168

R169 Please see:

Bless, that video was so cute, R167. He's obviously gay and you can see they're great friends. They're adorable together.

Why is nobody talking about Gatan? He's way cuter than the other boys, omg!

Omg, that video at R167 is soooo cute! They're just silly best friends, it's adorable!!!

If I was a gay teen I would want Millie as my bff fag hag.

Millie looks like Winona Ryder and Natalie Portman.

Millie looks way too old- that center part is doing her no favors.

She might like girls.

Bring back the supernatural stuff.

let's make one thing clear. If Will isn't gay then the Stranger Things writers are guilty of some of the biggest queer baiting in TV history. And don't give me this BS about Will being to young to know what he likes and he was in the upside down so maybe blah blah blah.

We sure as Hell know that Mike and Lucas and Dustin like girls. Why is sexual ambiguity only appropriate when it comes to a possibly gay character? This Gaslighting of the gay audience has got to stop. And adding a lesbian character does not in any way diminish the potential queer baiting.

I disagree r75

People aren't mad that Will hasn't come out. People are angry that the show hasn't confirmed that his character is gay. There are a dozen different ways to confirm a character is gay without them saying it.

It was the 80. Will ain't coming out until after college.

No, High School, R182.

I came out the day after I graduated high school. Once I was out of that cesspool of homophobia, I came out. Even though it was 1983, and the peak of anti-gay AIDS hysteria. (younger people have absolutely no clue how bad it was). And yes, this was in the middle of the mid-west.

The thing is there are different stages of coming out. Coming out to your friends, coming out to your parents, coming out at school / at your job, etc. I would guess that Will's mom, brother, and his friends would be ok with Will coming out, but I could see them having concerns about him being out to others who could hurt him ... or force their hand to pick a side to either side with the gay-boy or their new peers.

Some celebrities are out to their family and friends and their management and other industry insiders, and yet are still considered closet cases, because they are not out to the whole world.

Uh r183, I grew up in Chicago, graduated high school in 1983, and one my friends was gay (I knew he was), but he denied it vehemently (had a girlfriend and would make out with her all the time) and didn't come out until years later after college. Being gay was a huge stigma - nobody came out, and sadly I remember some kids making fun of one guy in the the cafeteria with a giant banner that he was gay to proclaim to the whole school of 4000 kids.

Most gays came out of the closet in college in the '80s and '90s, if they came out at all.

It wasn't until the mid-'90s that you started to hear of high schoolers coming out. I wouldn't have had any friends if I came out in high school. But then again -- I was oblivious to the other queers right under my nose.

Stranger Things shouldn't center around Will's sexual orientation. It can be a complement to the story but the really interesting stuff is the Upside Down and its mysterious creatures.

Like I said. Will's character doesn't have to come out in order to let the audience know he's gay. There are plenty of ways to do that without him coming out.

R184, don’t forget coming out to yourself. Will’s character may still be conflicted about a lot of things, including how he feels about boys, the coolness of D&D, and whether he still has pieces of the mind-flayer all up in his guts.

r187. The initial show's charm was the friendship of the kids and how they worked together to defeat the enemy from the Upside Down World. That and the great 80s set-up.

Of course, in a way the Durrell Brothers wrote themselves in a corner, because they can't give the audience "authentic" 80s vibe (or what the mainstream audience perceives as proper and authentic 80s nostalgia) and be 2019 civil rights progressive at the same time.

I was born in the 80's but I was younger that these kids in the show so I don't really have many clear memories of the 80's. Most of the 80's vibe I experienced it in the early 90's through 80's movies and TV shows. 80's nostalgia is not precisely a factor for me although I like the creativity of those days. What firstly attracted me to this show was its evident anime influences such as AKIRA and Elfen Lied. Then the concept and mystery of the Upside Down and the supernatural scary creatures captivated me. The 80's atmosphere adds nostalgia and more credibility to the story. The latter not the main thing for me but a great addition. R190

R191, fair enough. But, as an '87 baby, I still love seeing actual shopping malls, neon signs, drop ceilings, JCPenny catalogs, big hair, the lack of cell phones. I think this was the same basic aesthetic in the early 90s as well, so I am loving it.

Also, I had actively think past all the severed limbs and heads on Elfen Leid to remember that there was a child experimentation angle lol. Great anime, though. Akira as well, of course.

Personally, I was hoping that they would have some other sci-fi/fantasy issue happen in the follow-on seasons, unrelated to the upside down (aliens, hauntings, magical artifacts, etc.) I think that kind of yearly reset (almost like AHS, but located in the same town) would give the show better legs. But, oh well.

The Durrell Brothers, R190? Oh fucking dear.

Have to say the mall and theater was accurate, well except for the Nazi's in the basement . I worked in one and we would comb the back halls. Some I knew would get into the gym after closing and work out and then just go back into the hall and back into the theatre and none the wiser.

I would have basically been in between the older kids and the younger kids in school at the time. I do think they have done a pretty good job with the 80's feel, although I thought it was a bit more organic in the first season. The first season you felt you could have been watching something made in that time, whereas by season 3 all of the 80's stuff is pushed forward with the subtly of a sledgehammer. It has a bit more of an homage feel rather than feeling like something made in that time. It is not subtext, it is overly talking about New Coke -- it is having a Material Girl video montage while shopping. Although the difference in style between 1982-3 to 1985 is a lot louder - neon -- over the top -- so maybe that fits the move over the top way it is presented.

The Russian stuff fell kind of flat for me. I know a show having these creatures does not necessarily have to be realistic, but it was so over the top and unlikely, that it took me out of it. Plus, what was the Russian plan to use these creatures. As creepy as the upside down creatures can be, a lot of their origin and what they are does not make a lot of sense and does not seem that well thought out. I do wish they would have moved on to something else. There has kind of a rinse, lather, and repeat dealing with them at this point.

I am fairly confident that Hopper is in the Russian cell, but would not mind if he stayed dead. He was pretty over the top and annoying most of the season, and the pairing of him and Joyce seemed forced. Joyce seemed pretty out of character most of their adventure -- she was a basket case worrying about her kids the previous seasons, and this year, until the end, she seemed to forget they might be in danger and was largely supposed to be comic relief with bickering with Hopper. Really, the lack of interaction between and her sons - and the brothers with each other - was pretty lacking compared to how they were in season 1.

I did like Robin, but if they are going to keep bringing in new kids, they need to cycle some of them out. Half of them did not have much to do. Erica can definitely go somewhere else next season and Max was kind of annoying as well. It also might be time just to send Jonathan and Nancy off to college.

Has no one behind the scenes ever had a bloody nose on this show. Even a small one, the blood does not just stop a half an inch from the nostril in a dark something thick state. It is bright red and goes all the way down your face onto you shirt. Unless 11 have special blood, I have forgotten much of her and the upside down world background from season 1.

I did not find the season horrible, but I don't think it is this great piece of art that it gets through the media.

This is a code red!

[quote] WILL: Dustin used to make Code Red's

MIKE: Who's Dustin?

[quote] LUCAS: Remember? He was our friend in the time before Will started having an existential crises and we still had personalities outside our girlfriends. Now he hangs out with my 9 year old sister, a lesbian and some older guy in shorts.

Stranger Things is falling into the wrong practice of using fillers only to take advantage of the show's success, but fillers hinder the natural development of a story and, when a story doesn't go anywhere people get bored.

[quote]Have to say the mall and theater was accurate, well except for the Nazi's in the basement

Those were Soviet Russians under the mall, dummy.

R167 I thought she was best friends with the redhead chick?

[quote] Have to say the mall and theater was accurate, well except for the Nazi's in the basement.....Those were Soviet Russians under the mall, dummy.

Oh, well we had those, so the whole thing was accurate.

r200 They all list their cast best friends at 2.30 in this. Both Sadie and Millie say each other and Noah. Finn and Caleb say each other, and Gaten. Noah just does the polite thing and says the people sat next to him. Much to Finns shock.

Will is already acquiring a more masculine face.

Noah bffs with the girls, what a power bottom.

r180 I most certainly do not know for sure that Mike likes girls, he seems conflicted. They are setting up a gay puppy romance, and I think that is the furthest thing from boring. It would be a major plotline with payoff, unlike some random new love interest.

Who will come out first, the character Will or Noah Schnapp?

Lol, what the hell...

OK, this kid is weird.

All teen bottoms are weird

r148 r207 I feel someone should have hammered stranger danger into this kids head a lot harder.

R210 how do you mean?

He's a young kid who apparently walks up to strangers

r211 Like r212 says. It's great he's so open and friendly to people. But in the last month alone he's had late night conversation with a drunk guy in a mens rooms who know his name, and ask his age. Now he's approaching random Cougars and taking food from them. He's the biggest 14 year old kidnapping risk I've ever seen.

Dustin will have a nice chest when he grows up

HOLY SHIT!!!

STRANGER THINGS joins the video game DEAD BY DAYLIGHT today with a brand new map, 3 new characters and massive changes to the game!!!!!

You can now play as the Demigorgon, Steve Harrington, or Nancy Wheeler!

You can even play as Steve Harrington in his "Scoops Ahoy" outfit!!

LOL

[quote] Demigorgon, Steve Harrington, or Nancy Wheeler!

What a weird choice of playable characters.

R218 why weird?

They are all far from main characters?

r219 Steve I can somewhat see as he's a breakout character. ButI'd have thought pretty much the rest of the cast would have been ahead of Nancy and the Demogorgon as choices people would prefer.

Also theres the fact it looks like they're pairing Steve up with Nancy as a duo without Jonathan around. Which hasn't been a thing since about mid season 1.

Eleven would have made a better female character to play. They could have invented some awesome perks to counteract the killers.

But maybe she's too powerful for Dead By Daylight, where the victims are all supposed to be weak and mortal. And maybe Nancy is the more adult female that players can relate to, versus a child, which might be stupid.

R222 That’s because Jonathan sucks

It’s cool because Dead By Daylight replaced their main menu theme song with a “Strangers Things” version played on ‘80s synthesizers.

Presumably, it’s only for this week while they have the Hawkins Laboratory promotion going on.

This is really unprecedented, because no, other Chapter in Dead By Daylight has offered two, new Survivor characters, let alone from a popular franchise. So Stranger Things gets to have two, different heroes in the game.

R237 What's, with, all, the, commas?

Commas go between two adjectives or modifiers.

I should trim down my language, I know.

No, R229.

R227's post is riddled with not just unnecessary commas, but commas in all the wrong places, that renders the post a complete difficult-to-read mess.

R230 who gives a tuck you prissy

It's not being prissy to point out the fact that the text was virtually unreadable and painful due to the completely ignorant over-use of commas.

We get it. Commas are triggering.

I like commas, now, quotation marks are just annoying over achieving commas.

Just don't mess around with periods. You know what it means if someone misses a couple of periods.

My sister texts me without using any punctuation. They can be quite lengthy, too, and it's like trying to decipher the Rosetta Stone sometimes.

Commas will be the new Demogorgon!

[bold]'Stranger Things' Renewed for Season 4 as Creators Ink Nine-Figure Netflix Deal[/bold]

[quote]The streaming giant has handed out a fourth-season renewal to breakout hit Stranger Things and signed its creators, brothers Matt and Ross Duffer, to a multiple-year film and TV overall deal that sources say is worth nine figures. The news arrives nearly three months after the third season of the streamer's 1980s-set sci-fi drama returned after more than a year off the proverbial air. A return date for season four has not yet been determined.

[quote]after more than a year off the [bold]proverbial air[/bold]

😒

Announcement video. They're leaving Hawkins?

R239 what's wrong?

r241 I just hate the way "proverbial" was used in that particular case, that's all. And it's just pure filling up of the word count; it adds literally nothing to the sentence.

Well Joyce/Eleven/Will don't even live in Hawkins anymore.

Are they really going to have a season of them rescuing Hooper in Russia?

Eh, it could just mean they are in the upside down or whatever. I think the last episode, Mike said something about visiting for Christmas so I imagine the new season will be set along there as ST loves to set their seasons during holidays

The surviving demogorgons were in Russia, right, r240? So maybe the action has to take place there.

Or maybe the aliens or their possessed people have spread anywhere in the world and the cast is called upon/ rises to try and stop it.

But "We're not in Hawkins anymore" sounds like an allusion to "We're not in Kansas anymore." Which means the cast will be fish out-of-water in some adventurous, new place. Like Dorothy.

That would be cool if they had to fight their way out of the Upside Down or whatever world the Mindflyer inhabits.

Stranger Things needs to go back to the supernatural stuff.

Possible foreshadowing of Will in season 4.

r248

Will will be gay and would want to suck on Dustin's tits

Demogorgon.

THE TURNING trailer is out. Is Finn Wolfhard Hollywood's latest Scream Queen?

He's certainlly Wolfing down those horror roles Hard.

I didn't find it scary and that's big problem today's horror films face. Higher technology rather ruins them. R252

R253 could you elaborate?

How did you see it, r253?

Horror is not about how sophisticated noises and apparitions you can generate with a computer.

Netflix said on Wednesday that Season 3 of Stranger Things was viewed by 64 million households in its first four weeks on the platform, the hit series’ best numbers to date.

Netflix look into growth blocking hormones. "Don't fuck this up for us puberty" say execs.

Caleb looking hot:

He does look sexy doesn't he

You're lucky that he's 18 now

What's the point of season 4? They're all old men now!

.....

r253 = Huge liar. He should work at the Hawkins Laboratory.

It looks like r222 was right about Dead By Daylight!

They've just released two, new outfits for Steve Harrington and Nancy Wheeler called "The Battle of the Exes," and they make note of their "short-lived relationship."

I don't think their choice of playable characters is "weird" for Stranger Things. Steve and Nancy are young adults who are more like the video games' target demographic. Steve has become a romantic hero of the show, so he should absolutely be there. And they have to be "Survivors," the victims, so they couldn't pick somebody with superpowers like Eleven.

And the Demogorgon is the most logical choice to play the killer side — because the giant Mindflyer spider is way too big and body-snatched Billy would be lame.

Here is some gameplay with the new Stranger Things costumes:

It looks like you can also play as the Demogorgon or Hopper in Fortnite -- a hugely popular game.

There's also a Mindflyer map on Rocket league!

Here is some Fortnite gameplay with the Demogorgon.

And Chief Hopper's dances:

Apparently, Season 3 has its own video game. But it's retro-'80s, so it sucks!

Yesterday was "Stranger Things Day," because Nov. 6 was fictionally the day Will was drawn into the Upside Down or whatever.

Who is the wacko slandering Millie Bobby Brown as a drug-addicted mess on Datalounge?

Why would anyone think that?

Look at them SAG nominations!

BTW a synthwave music channel I love just did a Stranger Thinks mix. Enjoy!

Well Noah just spoiled Hoppers obvious fate for anyone interested.

R276 I couldn't understand what he said.

r277 He was answering questions about season 4s script.

[quote] Hopper has a really good story... Oh fuck

So yeah Hopper is definitely alive if that counts as a spoiler

Anyone who thinks Hopper is dead is just stupid.

R278 Thanks!

Yeah, I didn't think David Harbour would be out so soon.

Haha, Noah is such a bimbo.

R281 How do you mean?

r282

Well, giving away the plot "twist" (in combination with posting thirst traps on IG and TikTok).

I always get the feeling that Finn finds him and Millie a bit cringy, which is why he's not that close to either of them.

Does Noah have a boyfriend?

Do you think he's gay?

He's very obviously Millie's GBF. I think they're cute in that obnoxious but naive teenager way. That best friends tag video they did made them seem so normal.

The fact that Hopper isn't dead is just pathetic writing and it makes me really just lose interest in this show.

r285 He could be straight. It's hard to judge teenagers sexuality. But he seems like such a baby gay.

All Gen Z males seem gay. It's impossible to tell with them.

I don't know if Noah is gay or not but he's an adorable bubble headed boobie

This is the look of a young gayling

r291 Apparently he's a Chalamet fanboy.

r292

He looks very stylish and age appropriate unlike MBB who looked like she was cosplaying Alexis Carrington Colby at the same event. And if you need any proof he's her gay bestie, they spent their spare time before the awards show making up a dance routine together for TikTok. I'll give you all one guess which one's the better dancer.

Alt gossip is saying the Noah is now being "mentored" by Bryan Singer

[quote] SAG AWARDS: I always talk about this foreign born, not old enough to drive A-/B+ list actress who stars on a very hit streaming show. Apparently though, one of her male co-stars who is roughly the same age has been getting acting advice and mentored by the disgraced director. The actor was talking about it last night. Millie Bobby Brown ("Stranger Things")/Finn Wolfhard or Noah Schnapp/Bryan Singer (Millie Bobby Brown and the 'Stranger Things' cast reunited and looked stunning on the SAG Awards red carpet) ('Stranger Things' Star Finn Wolfhard Fires Agent Over Former Actor's Sexual Abuse Claim) ("The Atlantic" Bryan Singer article)

r295 I'd honestly say Wolfhard is more likely. Schnapp lives in New York, and only really travels for Cons. Wolfhard is in LA a lot more as he's got a lot more projects. Though Schnapp is certainly more Singer's type, and has previously demonstrated 0 awareness of staying away from creepy adults s it's not impossible I guess.

Why would any parent let their kids near Bryan Singer? Doesn't everyone know by now what a massive creep this guy is? Why are studios still hiring someone lime Singer? Totally irresponsible.

r296 If you've ever seen the kinds of boys Bryan singer likes and hangs with Noah looks just like his type. Noah is young and pretty in a conventional kind of way. Finn is more exotic looking than Bryan usually goes for but you never know. Plus Finn is older and he's already fired one agent who was accused of being a boy molester.

r298 I'd say theres a fairly big gap between his parents firing an agent when he's 15. And who 17 year old Finn Wolfhard chooses to hang around with.

Yeah but he knows why his agent was fired. He's not stupid.

Look I have no idea who Alt Gossip is talking about. For some reason they weren't specific as they usually are. I'm just speculating that it's Noah based on Singer's usual choice of meal. I could be wrong.

I just picked up my tickets to the World Premieres of Joe Keery’s new film, [italic]Spree[/italic] and Finn Wolfhard’s new movie [italic]Omnibus[/italic] at the Sundance Film Festival!

Jealous, bitches?

I’ll be sure to keep you girls posted as to whether they’re any good.

[quote] Spree: Thirsty for a following, Kurt Kunkle is a rideshare driver who has figured out a deadly plan to go viral.

[quote] Ominboat: Chronicling the life of Lay'n Pipe, a 47 foot TopGun Cigarette speedboat, from its conception through the end of human civilization. It's not just a speedboat ride, it's a Miami adventure.

I'll pass. Might give The Turning a go if the reviews are good.

I would pay to watch Joe Keery eat crackers.

Unfortunately, that means I will sit through this abomination in the works:

[quote] Noah has previously demonstrated 0 awareness of staying away from creepy adults

"Shit if you need to!"

And FYI, that means Joe and Finn will be there live, taking questions from the audience.

Joe Keery will be at my screening of [italic]Spree.[/italic] But I didn’t get the star-panel screening of [italic]Omniboat[/italic] because Redford will be there and it will be a total madhouse. Plus, Finn isn’t hot enough for me OR Bryan Singer!

Finn is more or less legal (though not in California); I doubt Singer would be as bold as making the moves on a 15-year-old like Noah with all the scrutiny on him now.

They're going to have to do a time jump in season 4 right? Dawsons Creek wouldn't sell these guys as Highschool Freshmen.

R309, they still look half the age of the 90210 cast.

R309 Why not? Unlike other shows, they're actually still teenagers. I often wonder if filming takes so long bc almost all of them are still minors and working around parents, school and schedules must be hell. How long are they allowed to work each day/week? DO they have private tutors on set and a parent present?

When does season 4 start filming?

Everyone between the ages of 9 to 18 can work 9 to 10 hours per day, which is still overtime.

They can get school lessons and homework on-set while they’re waiting to shoot.

r312 Starts next month in Europe (specifically Lithuania). So I assume they're doing the free Hopper scenes first.

Did you guys realize Weezer made Scream Queen Finn Wolfhard the star of their video for covering “Take On Me?”

‘80s realness.

Speaking of my God was The Turning a let down.

They shot this fast.

Are they done in Lithuania and back in the ATL?

What's the ATL?

R319 Atlanta

r318 Presumably they're doing all the outside prison scenes then going back to either Atlanta or New Mexico is rumored as well to film the rest. Though no one else in the cast other than Harbour looks to have filmed anything yet. So either they don't help Hopper escape, or they'll be going back later?

When is Season 4 coming out?

Last time, they took like, 2 years to complete Season 3.

How do you think Hopper got to Russia?

Yes, r316, [italic]The Turning[/italic] wasn't very good and there was no payoff.

But the Henry James novella it's based on may be the first ever "The monster was just schizophrenic hallucinations" story — practically a sub-genre of horror. The first time you see one of those movies it's impactful. So maybe [italic]The Turning[/italic] didn't move me because I saw [italic]The Shining[/italic] and others first.

R311 it’s dumb they don’t film 2 seasons back to back to make the most of these kids youth. I guess the reason for the long delays are that the writers are just slow as hell.

From the producers of Stranger Things, stars kids from IT, has a girl with Telekinesis.

Another Netflix movie with lesbians? How quaint.

The next season will suck. They're going through the awkward teen phase and aren't nice sweet kids anymore.

They need a significant character death that's eaten by the monster, then becomes the face of that monster. 11 has to destroy her monster possessed love interest or something.

He dies and it's sad. Maybe 11 dies with him saving the town.

They already kind of did that with Billy, who was leading an army of pod people possessed by the Mindflyer or whatever.

The love interest/sacrifice angle you suggest would be better, but it would feel too close to what they're already doing with the possessed townspeople.

They ought to send some of the cast into the Upside-Down and on to the aliens' planet to explore and destroy.

R329 that would be nice. I like that. Some weird alien space portal and the mystery of figuring out why they want this town in particular.

And how it ties into the weird mystery experiment children. Maybe they were experimented on using some stolen alien material and that's why the aliens want to destroy them. The alien goo they used was supposed to feed their larvae. Something like that. Make the humans the original bad guys and the poor aliens just retaliating and defending their world.

I honestly think either Will or Eleven will die or leave to another dimension at the end.

Yeah, they can't be happy in love. That's boring.

No space; no aliens Some mystical parallel world with mystical creatures we cannot fully comprehend.

r331 It isn't really the kind of show to kill off main characters. since the only person of any importance to actually die in 3 whole seasons is Billy. Who was only a minor side character anyway. Then again after last season side character now includes Jonathan, Nancy, Mike, Will, Lucas and Max so not impossible I guess.

I'm tired of this show. Another season of the kids battling that monster? Yay.

Dear r333,

“Some mystical parallel world with mystical creatures we cannot fully comprehend” is still alien.

It’s a different world. But one that clearly has an intelligent life form(s) with an agenda in our world.

I would like to see the humans go into the Upside Down or wherever the Mindflyer is from, discover its beef, then unravel its beef curtains.

They killed Sean Astin.

That's why they'll never kill Hopper or any of the Byers. Joyce Byer has suffered one big personal loss already, they're not going to keep torturing the same character.

If anyone's dying, maybe it's Mike or the lesbian character played by Maya Hawke. Or maybe after having a bunch of fakeouts they'll finally kill off Steve.

Kill the sassy black girl, everyone will be happy.

[quote] I'm tired of this show. Another season of the kids battling that monster? Yay.

So you are not going to watch it then and bore us with your opinion afterwards? YAY!!!!!!!

Oh no, I'll be watching it, don't worry. For all you know, you've W&W me in other threads.

r337 Yeah but he was created to die, like the fry cook in s1ep1. The core cast are pretty much immune to that.

The way Hopper was written last season, I would not have minded him staying dead. I kind of liked Joyce and Sean Astin, because it was not the obvious hooking her up with Hopper - which they then did the next season in the most cliched way - we are bickering but really fighting our attraction to each other. They also needed to give Joyce a bit more time to grieve red-shirt Sean's death. It seemed odd that she would want to be with Hopper right after that, esp. since she was not fighting any attraction to him the first two seasons.

I don't think they need to be killed off, but it is time for some of the older kids to be written off. Have Jonathon and Nancy go off to college. I like Steve, but it might be time for him to stop hanging out with the younger kids and move on as well. They have added a number of kids the last few seasons and don't really have time to do things with all of them. A couple of the characters that were part of the main group originally did not have much to do last year except make a couple of wisecracks.

Oh for fucks sake.

Are you upset that's she's black or that she's female, r344? Or both?

He's upset because she's named Pariah.

r345 No Priah's agent. I'm upset because your client was the worst character in s3 by a mile, she's a borderline stereotype of a sassy preteen girl from a 90s sitcom. I'm also upset because upping her to a main character means they have to justify giving her more screentime in order to justify paying her increased salary. Which means in a 9 episode season they have even less chance to develop other characters who actually need it. Like for example Lucas who despite being a main African American character who's been around since the start has had zero development and just spent s3 belching and shilling Coca-Cola. Will who spent 1 & 2 being a plot macguffin, and who's entire character arc last season became a let's play D&D meme. Jonathan and Nancy who managed to somehow devolve from season 1 to irrelevance. Mike who I'm not sure has a life or character trait outside his girlfriend anymore. The Duffer brothers would apparently just like to keep introducing new characters rather than having to do any work developing the ones that people actually liked from the start.

Erica was the best thing about Season 3. Her character was authentically 80s.

Agreed R349, unlike Nepotisma Hawke's character, who rang very false. They didn't even try with her styling.

So when is Season 4 being released? I saw something online about an April 2020 release, but not sure how accurate that is.

No, r351, I don't think they've even started filming yet.

They've released an entire teaser trailer with S4 , so yes, they've certainly started filming, but only overseas with the Hopper subplot. They haven't started back in Atlanta yet which is where most of the filming will take place. In fact, the setup of the Atlanta sets and casting for extra haven't even begun yet. According to TVLine, the production is slated to wrap in early August, which will likely mean a Christmas 2020 or early 2021 release.

Child endangerment!

I wish they would put a Down Syndrome, special needs or autistic kid in. That would have been more authentic.

A kid with cystic fibrosis or muscular dystrophy. That's very 80s. There's no one like that in the whole town? Not a neighbor or something?

People were about the telethon.

And the lack of gender role issues? Come on.

No teens seen watching ABC Afterschool Specials?

And the lack of gender role issues? Come on.

No teens seen watching ABC Afterschool Specials?

They wrapped filming in Lithuania. They start filming in Atlanta next week. Season 4 won't be released until 2021.

Probably late 2021 given how they mentioned Thanksgiving/ Christmas at the end of last season, and this shows love of releasing around holidays. God even Noah Schnapp is going to be 18 by the time 5 is released.

Ugh, he is?

They wrap in August and they'll be releasing it 15 months later? I don't' think so. Netflix doesn't hang on to its finished seasons for that long. They release them as soon as they're done with the CGI and editing. I'm thinking it'll be a New Year's 2021 release. Thanks R359!

I didn't mind Erica /Priah at all. I thought she was hilarious and fun.

But then again, my joy and self-esteem does not depend on disparaging women and blacks like half of Datalounge.

Just a reminder: Russian trolls are paid to divide Americans with as much rancor and hatred as possible, including racist attacks against popular entertainment.

Like Russia paid them to make Americans think STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI was a bid film because some characters were Vietnamese or women.

I thought Erica was a lot of fun too. The little kid who plays her has pretty good comic timing for a young actor and I thought she fit in really well with the rest of the cast. I liked that they had younger characters AND the older out of high school characters AND the core group of middle schoolers - very true to the 80s kid adventure films.

[quote]I'm upset because your client was the worst character in s3 by a mile, she's a borderline stereotype of a sassy preteen girl from a 90s sitcom.

LOL! I thought the same thing. She seemed jarringly out of place, like she's in a sitcom and the rest are in a horror show. And her sassiness got old fast. But, of course, you get the usual knee-jerk reactions of racism/sexism because she's back and female; how dare anyone criticize a back female. But if she had been a white/Latin/Asian boy and been equally as annoying and incongruous, I'd bitch, too.

[quote]she's back and female; how dare anyone criticize a back female

Oh,, dear; oh dear.

Anyway here's Noah Schnapp wearing the gayest suits since Liberace.

Hopefully Noah will come out soon.

Season 4 is coming out next year? What a drag. Hopefully season 3 of Dark and season 2 of Russian Doll will be out this year.

r369 Listen the journey of self discovery is long.

Go sassy black girl!

r371 droll emoji from Noah. lol

Wasn't Noah saying some things last year on social media that made it look like he had a major crush on Asher Angel?

Stranger Things ups Brett Gelman to series regular, shares behind-the-scenes clip of season's table read

Who will he tell to fuck in front of him next season?

Howard Stern announced that Finn Wolfhard is "getting disturbing-looking" today. LOL!

Gelman was hilarious on EAGLEHEART you have to see it!

He doesn't look that bad. Like Edward Scissorhands but not weird.

I've decided that Finn just doesn't have it. Sorry, buddy, but everyone else on the show outshines you. Though I haven't seen It, so maybe he's good in that. What do we know about the next season? I watched all three in a mad dash this past summer. Missed the zeitgeist when it started. IT'S FUN! The first season's rather brilliant. The second's okay for some drama and character growth, but gets bogged down in its own mythology and self-seriousness. The third's goofy. That was almost a campy mess, but they brought it home in the end, and I liked the colors, so I can't hate!

Will season 4 be like... early 90s? That'd be fun! But probably more late 80s huh? Or will they even time jump? I'm curious to see how everyone is being split up. Presumably the scope of this season should be vast. International even!

That kid that plays Will is the best of the male actors, I think. Eleven's obvs great. Are all the teens returning? Need Steve and Uma Thurman's daughter please.

Productions are starting to shut down. Filming on Season 4 may be halted even though it's just begun. We may not see it until late 2021 if we're lucky.

r380 They've already stopped

r380 We don't really know much so far. But Hoppers alive. The Byers+11 aren't on set until May. So either they're not in the first episode or two. Or they're just doing all the Hawkins scenes first and then everyone's going to where the Byers moved to for the rest of the season. Which looks to be New Mexico.

r382 Meant for r379

I don't like the cop guy.

That kid up at r378 should play the title role in "The Tim Curry Story." In a few years. He looks like a credible Dr F in RHPS.

So did they finish filming this next season before the coronavirus brought the world to a halt?

They had to put filming on hold

They only got part of the first episode. Maybe we'll see it on 2023.

People thought the de-aging CGI in IT 2 was bad imagine what they're going to have to do for post pandemic 33 year old Finn Wolfhard playing a highschool Freshman.

R387, well that sucks. But obviously understandable given this crisis.

By the time this show is over, these kids will look like grad students.

It's their own damn fault for waiting so long. After the American government, the Stranger Things producers get no sympathy from me.

It's going to be a long haul until the next season of a lot of people's favorite shows...

Hopefully Dark finished filming their final season.

Is this next season the last season?

They always wait so long between seasons that I forget what happened in the previous season. It makes me less likely to watch.

r394 Yes.

Very frustrating indeed, they could have filmed it before.

Production starts back up in Georgia on Sept. 17.

But I still think a 2021 release date is a longshot.

If they still plan for season 5 a timeskip to college, and digital deaging of Caleb Mclaughlin may be required.

The fuck?

People are trying to cancel him. He apparently supports a transphobe slut shaming fan on social media.

“Supports” AKA said what they said was bad but that they didn’t deserve death threats.

This is... interesting.

ir400I f anyone can stand the summary from tween twitter. Basically he's a bit of a self centered idiot. And someone should have told him to not become personally involved with his fangirls.

Is Noah a baby gay?

Yes.

Stranger Things season 9 or the effects of the Upside Down on the Yugoslav wars.

They should film seasons 4 and 5 back to back. These kids will be 20 before they debut. They already shot themselves in the foot waiting so long in between seasons. Now it will be even long with Covid.

They want the kids to be older for the gay love story probably.

They just have to wait because of COVID restrictions. And now the Screen Actor's Guild is demanding on-site rapid testing for COVID every three days, which isn't available yet in an accurate or cost-efficient way.

This is only going to benefit the show, because they will have more time to develop and write the scripts instead of a mad rush with shoddy results like the last 3 seasons of GAME OF THRONES.

Yes, they might have to flash forward in time because of actors aging but yes, they may also get to shoot 2 or 3 seasons more or less back-to-back.

r407 He'll be 16 by the time they start filming again. And anyway he went out for the role of Theo in the Goldfinch years ago so as long as Will doesn't start visiting bathhouses straight away I doubt he's bothered age wise.

All the juicy tween girl drama in that twitter link.

Jesus H. Christ, as Quint would say.

Yeah Stranger Things is meant for older tweens and above, they're not going to have any hardcore porn in it or anything. Even the Billy/Mrs. Wheeler stuff was pretty tame. 16 is plenty for a gay love story on this show!

#Noahschnappisoverparty 2.0

Although he didn't actually say the N'word in that last video. Why is Noah always involved in some shit?

Is he cancelled yet?

r413 He's gay and loves drama. But honestly I think its that him and his friends are all social media whores who film themselves 24/7. That combined with the fact that doesn't seem to know how to deal with fangirls who loved him as an innocent 11 year old hating him as a 15 year old party boy, and you get a toxic mix of idiot meets angry audience.

How is he gay? Has he come out?

Um, have you heard him speak or seen what he wears on the red carpet?

He's a kid, give him time. He's not going to pretend to have a girlfriend or anything.

The he's gay statement was so definitive that I thought he had come out or something. So it's speculation based on the fact that he's cute and has a wild fashion sense. Got it.

Well seeing as I'm not one of those people who sees being assumed as gay as some sort of horrible accusation, I'm fine with it.

R419 has no gaydar.

Intriguing new photoshoot from Noah:

Intriguing new photoshoot from Noah:

(Sorry for the double-post, don't know what happened there.)

He pulls off the tortured goth look pretty well for such a himbo.

That photo wasn't intriguing enough to post once, let alone twice, R421.

Future twinks of America aside. They're filming again. Don't know if its the costume but Maya Hawke looks pretty rough.

Maya looks like a very authentic 1980s babydyke to me. Much more so than her modern hair from last season.

Apparently Mayas brother is also in this season (rampant nepotism but whatever). But he seems to be playing this character "Another potential ally to our heroes, “Eddie” is an 80’s metalhead who is into Metallica, but also loves D&D." Which sounds like Will's perfect Grindr matchup.

So are they going to make Will gay or not. At this point they are queerbaiting his to death.

I wouldn't be shocked if they don't address it at all. Though I would be pleasantly surprised if they did.

Unless a show is specifically about male homosexuality it's likely that a show won't address it in a male lead. Lesbian's are OK but gay guys especially teens are a no no. At least that's the way it seems.

Especially when it's a coming out story R431

I think Will seems gayer as Noah Schnapp seems gayer IRL.

Will seems less gay than Noah. Perhaps Noah doesn't want to play gay afraid he will get typecast. They should have picked an older actor for his part.

Will seems less gay than Noah because Will is a severely traumatized bullied gay kid living in rural Reagan America. While Noah is a Gen-Z New York gay.

For a Gen-Z New York gay, Noah does a lot of drooling over women.

Are Chloe and Noah twins? She's really cute, too.

The only character Winona Ryder can play is Winona Ryder. It's so bad that, regardless of the plot, writing, or cast, it's still just Winona Ryder being Winona Ryder. Pass.

Yes, they're twins, r437.

Gaten Matarazzo is going to stream gameplay of DEAD BY DAYLIGHT with Twitch gaming star Ninja on Halloween morning!

I'd love to see how he plays.

This is surprising, because Gaten's character isn't even featured in DEAD BY DAYLIGHT — Steve Harrington, Nancy Wheeler and the Demogorgon are.

Winona Ryder is a small part of this ensemble show.

I'm now officially scared for Mike and Wills haircuts.

If Eddie is an '80s metalhead, why is he dressed like a punk?

Gaten Matarazzo streaming DEAD BY DAYIGHT gameplay with Twitch star Ninja now.

🎃Happy Halloween!🎃

Gaten is a noob to this game and he's screaming like a little girl LOL

The stream was a shitshow. Gaten's internet could not stay connected to the game, so he had to stop playing.

He was able to join the stream and just answer fans' questions. He was very charming and funny, however. He is in Atlanta shooting Season 4 of STRANGER THINGS.

r446 Did he answer anything interesting?

He said he is 18 and he has a girlfriend in Utah, as that where his charity is located.

He said he is happy he doesn't have to do schoolwork on set anymore because he's an adult and he's pulling 15-hour shoot days for the first time with Season 4. He says it makes the work more creative and made his friendships with the rest of the cast closer, "like a family," etc.

You can watch a recording of the shitshow here. Lagging out enabled him to do a Q&A with fans instead of play the video game.

[quote] “I’ll just say the pandemic definitely massively delayed shooting and therefore the launch of our current Season 4, date still TBD. But it impacted very positively by allowing the Duffer brothers, for the first time ever, to write the entire season before we shoot it and to have time to rewrite in a way that they rarely had before so the quality of these screenplays are exceptional, maybe better than ever.”

So in every other season they've gone into it with unfinished scripts and no rewrites?

A lot of Netflix series start shooting before all the scripts are completed.

Sad thing for me is a year and a half ago, this was my most favorite show of all time. Now, I couldn't give one single fuck less.

r450 I mean I wouldn't mind if they were rushing these things out. But every season has had at least a 2 year gap, and its not like the Duffers have much else going on. Actually writing ahead of time might help solve issues like half the cast having nothing to do. Or maybe stopping to think if an entire side episode on El's sister was a good idea.

r428 Never mind Eddies being played by Mark Zuckerberg's doppelganger, least we get Mason Dye as Dacre's replacement.

Robert Englund is a great addition to any cast.

Yes, hooray for Robert Englund joining the cast.

It's been many years since he was in a quality production.

I thought Englund was dead for some reason.

He's alive and well, discovered the con circuit a few years ago and is quite popular now that a lot of the people who liked his films as kids/teens/young adults now have older kids of their own. Being on an 80s nostalgia heavy show like this one is perfect for him. He's in his 70s but apparently in very good shape still. Good for him.

People predicting she was going the way of Britney or Lohan were a lot more on the money than I expected.