A Treasonable Mind (The Mueller Investigation Part 112)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous Thread Titles for Reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

Treasons I Speak (The Mueller Investigation Part 84) (February 19, 2019)

Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85) (February 23, 2019)

Treasons for Redemption (The Mueller Investigation Part 86) (March 1, 2019)

Treasons to Watch (The Mueller Investigation Part 87) (March 7, 2019)

A Treasonable Amount of Time (The Mueller Investigation Part 88) (March 11, 2019)

Treasons I Have Veto Power (The Mueller Investigation Part 89) (March 18, 2019)

Treasons I've Submitted My Report (The Mueller Investigation Part 90) (March 22, 2019)

Treasons to Continue On (The Mueller Investigation Part 91) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons For a Barr Cover (The Mueller Investigation Part 92) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons to Protect Our Assets (The Mueller Investigation Part 93) (March 26, 2019)

Treasonable Interference (The Mueller Investigation Part 94) (March 31, 2019)

Tax Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 95) (April 6, 2019)

Treasons You May Leave (The Mueller Investigation Part 96) (April 11, 2019)

Treasonable Redactions (The Mueller Investigation Part 97) (April 18, 2019)

Treasons We Won't Abandon Him (The Mueller Investigation Part 98) (April 19, 2019)

Treasons to Subpoena (The Mueller Investigation Part 99) (April 24, 2019)

Treasons She was Right... About Everything (The Mueller Investigation Part 100) (April 30, 2019)

Treasonable Returns on Your Investment (The Mueller Investigation Part 101) (May 3, 2019)

When It's Treasonable to Assert Your Privilege (The Mueller Investigation Part 102) (May 9, 2019)

Treasons You May Have a Rat (The Mueller Investigation Part 103)(May 17, 2019)

Treasons to Like Subpoena Coladas (The Mueller Investigation Part 104) (May 22, 2019)

Treasons She Gets Under Your Skin (The Mueller Investigation Part 105) (May 28, 2019)

Treason It's a Crime (The Mueller Investigation Part 106) (May 31, 2019)

A Treason for Hope (The Mueller Investigation Part 107) (June 5, 2019)

Trolling Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 108) (June 9, 2019)

An Ogre Leaves Her Treasons (The Mueller Investigation part 109) (June 17, 2019)

Treasons to Delay (The Mueller Investigation Part 110) (June 23, 2019)

Treasons You're Unwanted (The Mueller Investigation Part 111) (July 7, 2019)

A Treasonable Mind (The Mueller Investigation Part 112) (July 18, 2019)

Thank you, OP!

You truly do the Lord's work!

I certainly hope Graham isn't doing this shameful act just to hide the fact he is gay. Dear, we ALL know.

Pres Bone Spurs is right on cue ramping up the ugly. The X factor for 2020 is going to be Pres Bone Spurs fatigue. He is likely to get much worse than this. When enough people see this and think of another 4 years of it, will the voters pull the lever for him again?

We just haven't seen this one enough!

L.A. Times: Times Investigation: Trump administration has gutted programs aimed at detecting weapons of mass destruction

Lindsey says DJT is "like me" in her spin endeavor in his behalf.

Nonstop Lindsey!!!!!

boy those tax cuts sure are coming at a high cost to the rest of us. how many years is it going to take to repair all the damage this idiot has done

We get the point. BTW, #111 still isn't finished.

[quote]We get the point.

Well, I should hope so.

NO, LG's every Tweet is not important political news that needs to be posted here.

I've already seeing them set the stage to force action on the deficit. Little by little, some are starting to talk about dealing with the extremely high deficit (during good times which is just insane). Expect the GOP and conservatives to suddenly get deficit fever again so the Dems need to immediately start countering them. First, roll back the tax cuts and watch the deficit plummet. They will be coming for your SS and Medicare.

Btw- there is an odious candidate running for Houston mayor, Tony Buzzbee. On the surface, he seems liberal with his background and rhetoric. He even ran as a Dem for a few races years ago. Yet, he supported our current WH resident, then disavowed him after Access HW tape yet donated $500,000 to his inauguration. He is wealthy and has been blanketing the Houston market with ads. He is a stealth deplorable. Fuck him.

Washington Post: Democrats hope Mueller testimony will put bright spotlight on Trump’s efforts to derail investigation

What is Plumpy shrieking about in OP’s pic? He’s in full blown tantrum hysteria.

r32 The EU leaders, for the most part, hate him and rightly so. Every leader in the world, though, should love him. This is the perfect time to use him to weaken the US since he has no idea what he is doing.

Politico: House Democrats demand Hope Hicks clarify testimony after Cohen document dump

From another thread:

[quote]For the record;

"Lindsey Graham: 'To the extent that it matters, I'm not gay'"

Carry on....

--Anonymous replies 147 Nov 23, 2018 8:30 AM +00:00

Is this you, R28?

Sounds like someone doesn't want LG's tweets critiqued.

I just have no use for LG. We know who and what he is. We see it daily. Nothing new here. He is boring.

Exactly. Why the nonstop reports on his nightly appearances on Hannity? It's not news.

Washington Post: Trump supporters’ newest rallying cry — ‘Send her back!’— reverberates across a nation fraught with racial tension

Politico:

Trump accuses media of siding with freshman congresswomen in 'sick partnership'

President Donald Trump on Friday accused the media of siding with Rep. Ilhan Omar and the other freshman progressive congresswomen with whom he has feuded this week, criticizing reporters’ coverage of the "send her back" chant that broke out at his most recent campaign rally.

“It is amazing how the Fake News Media became ‘crazed’ over the chant ‘send her back’ by a packed Arena (a record) crowd in the Great State of North Carolina, but is totally calm & accepting of the most vile and disgusting statements made by the three Radical Left Congresswomen,” the president wrote on Twitter.

“Mainstream Media, which has lost all credibility, has either officially or unofficially become a part of the Radical Left Democrat Party," he continued. "It is a sick partnership, so pathetic to watch!”

Donald Trump wearing a suit and tie: President Donald Trump attacked the media after news reports showed attendees at his North Carolina rally chanting "send her back," referring to Rep. Ilhan Omar. © Tasos Katopodis/Getty Images President Donald Trump attacked the media after news reports showed attendees at his North Carolina rally chanting "send her back," referring to Rep. Ilhan Omar. Beginning last Sunday, Trump has targeted a quartet of high-profile House Democrats — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, Omar of Minnesota, Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts and Rashida Tlaib of Michigan — with inflammatory rhetoric, alleging the women of color hate America and should “go back” to their countries of origin.

Of the four lawmakers, only Omar was born outside the U.S. A refugee from Somalia, she became a citizen at 17.

The clash culminated Wednesday night in cheers of “send her back” by the attendees of Trump’s rally in North Carolina as he slammed Omar in his remarks.

The president on Thursday said he “was not happy” with the chant and falsely claimed he “started speaking very quickly” in an attempt to silence the audience. In fact, Trump paused and turned away from the microphone as the crowd yelled, allowing the refrain to build up inside the arena.

Trump’s disavowal followed statements of disgust from several congressional Republicans over the rally display, as well as a meeting earlier in the day in which House GOP leadership conveyed their concerns to Vice President Mike Pence.

Upon her return to Minnesota on Thursday evening, Omar was met by a throng of supporters at a Twin Cities airport chanting, “Welcome home, Ilhan.”

“They even covered a tiny staged crowd as they greeted Foul Mouthed Omar in Minnesota,” Trump wrote online Friday, referring to members of the media.

The president went on to argue that he will win Minnesota in next year's election “because they can’t stand her and her hatred of our Country, and they appreciate all that I have done for them (opening up mining and MUCH more) which has led to the best employment & economic year in Minnesota’s long and beautiful history!"

Hope Hicks, you in trouble gurl! They don't let you have have eyebrow pencils in prison.

He has jumped the shark and you could almost see a bit of panic in his eyes yesterday when he walked this back. That chant hits LEGAL immigrants hard. This may be the moment he truly fucked himself. All those Cubans, who love to rub it in that they are LEGAL immigrants, got smacked with this chant.

Good! They don't care if you are LEGAL or not- they want you to "go back home" so never forget that, LEGAL immigrants.

When are all these people going to wake up and realize how their lives are ruined by protecting Trump? Every single one of them are all tainted in some way by Trump's toxicity.

Don't worry, Hope! Maybe your cellmate can give you a big, cartoony set of prison tattoo eyebrows.

As much as SC Senator Graham loves the camera and being quoted in the media, he may be elated over the attention.

If you are posting pics, get some fresh ones. Not good Google skills being displayed. You are complementing him making him look 20 years younger and 30 lbs. thinner.

I'm about to block the LG bullshit. I was on your side before but it is too much. He is not important now.

I think having Hope indicted would be more of a blow to Trump than having any of his sons indicted. There is no way in hell he wasn't hitting that. If not, then she was constantly being harassed by Trump. He even said it himself...When I see a beautiful woman, I can't help myself. NBC released a tape the other day of him with Epstein. It was part of a larger segment on Trump for a morning-type talk show. Trump was all over the woman hosting the show. He even admitted to kissing her while her husband wasn't looking. Tape also showed him basically "grabbing a woman by the pussy" when he was dancing with her. If you put that tape together with the Access Hollywood tape, you have visual evidence of him doing what he says he does to women. The second part of the tape with the interview was actually more important than the part of him oogling women with Epstein.

I cannot believe ( or maybe I can) the media saying Nancy "opened the door" for him to start in on the Squad. Oh fuck OFF media. My GAWD, really? So Nancy is responsible for giving him an opening for being racist? What the actual fuck is going on with the media? They cannot let him own this despicable action. No, no, no. They must somehow try to blame "both sides". This "both sides" bullshit is WHY we have him.

Huffpo has been having articles saying, "The Dems are ignoring Muslim voters" or "Which side are the Dems on?" nonstop. Just SHUT THE FUCK UP already with this crap. I am not suggesting the Dems are above being criticized but this shit is getting old.

Dems cannot be everything to every group. No one can. So the media needs to just can it. I even heard yesterday someone say, " I mean, if the Dems don't focus on AA women and speak to them, they may stay home." WHAAAT? The media feeds the purity police.

I wonder why Faith Daniels was silent all this time.

[quote]This may be the moment he truly fucked himself. All those Cubans, who love to rub it in that they are LEGAL immigrants, got smacked with this chant. Good! They don't care if you are LEGAL or not- they want you to "go back home" so never forget that, LEGAL immigrants.

Doubtful. With people like that it's always, "They're not talking about us they're talking about..."

Which in their minds makes it okay.

I have a colleague who is Mexican, came over as a child, and supports Drumpf. Whenever shit like this comes up he says, "He's not talking about me, he's talking about the Cubans.." OR he'll say, "Well, he's talking about THOSE Mexicans and they SHOULD be deported."

Keep in mind his parents came over illegally.

When the media uses "both sides" without explaining that the blame is not close to being equal, in the minds of the voters, it is a wash so they have no incentive to change their votes. To them, they hear "both sides" are EQUALLY as guilty so why change who they vote for?

The right wing has perfected this. They know they cannot defend their policies (they don't work) or positions so the brilliant thing they do is just say "both sides" are to blame, implying equally to blame, so no one gets blamed.

So now we have the mainstream and even liberal media doing the same, blaming "both sides" or nitpicking the fuck out of the Dems. THIS will be how we get him reelected. It is 2016 redux.

r52 Oh, I totally believe you. I hear it all the time. All.the.time. It is sickening. You want to grab them, shake them and either Cher slap the fuck out of them and say "snap out of it" or say, "They're coming for you whether you think so or not." It is the same for gays or blacks who vote for the GOP or him. Or women. They hate us. They tolerate us like those in the Jim Crow South tolerated blacks as long as they stayed "in their place."

The cognitive dissonance they exhibit is truly something. That is why this chant aimed at a legal immigrant resonated. He is slowly chipping away at those assholes who think he isn't talking about them. As we saw last election, it doesn't take much to win.

Yeah, whatever, R53. He's toast. I went to the local cafe this morning and there was someone signing people up for voter registration and rides to the polls....already. I've had three emails from Move-On about rallies and activism and I'm rural!

The good people of America have been woken up and shaken up by this thug and his corrupt administration of lackeys. The opposition to this shit understands what's at stake.

r55 Let me be clear, I am not suggesting he will be reelected. I don't see how he will be BUT I was making the point that if the fucking media doesn't wake up and stop the both sides shit, this could be 2016 redux. The media is already going hard in on the Dems.

A-fucking-men, R56! This is an actual headline by the Washington Post:

> The Daily 202: In the era of no regrets, Acosta and Pelosi are not sorry

Yeah. The Washington Post, who has been critical of Trump, equated what Acosta did (covered up for a pedophile) to what Pelosi did (chastised some members of her party). It's the most frustrating, infuriating thing - but for some, it's "just all the same".

You're right, R56, and I thank you for being civil about your clarification. Was just 'whinging' (thanks, trolls for a new word) about this to a friend this morning over coffee. It's been noticed that they just keep the focus on certain assholes.

I think the MSM is going all in for the ratings because of the embarassment they suffered in 2016 over their terrible polling and being constantly scooped by SM. We may be watching a battle for the control of the information industry and it's fascinating, frustrating, and will probably only get worse before we see some sensibility creep back into their 'cover both sides' mandate.

"Whinging" is how it is spelled in England and Australia.

In Australia, they even pronounce the first 'g' - whyng-ing. Whine-g-ing.

Patti LuPone:

Then Fox calls her homophobic.

[quote]I have a colleague who is Mexican, came over as a child, and supports Drumpf. Whenever shit like this comes up he says, "He's not talking about me, he's talking about the Cubans.." OR he'll say, "Well, he's talking about THOSE Mexicans and they SHOULD be deported."

R52, this sounds made up.

If you have said Central Americans it would have had more credibility. Mexicans had no problem adopting Cubans. You do know lots of Eastern coast Mexicans have Caribbean roots, including Cuban, Native America refugees, and black slave refugees from the South, right?

I am sure there are Mexicans-now Americans that voted for Trump, but your story shows a few cracks.

r58 Not a problem. I knew where you were coming from.

r60 Patti is vile. She seems like a bitter, unhappy bitch. Her acting and singing leave something to be desired. An acquired taste for sure.

r61 That is harsh and your point is meandering.

[quote]Democrats hope Mueller testimony will put bright spotlight on Trump’s efforts to derail investigation

Spoiler Alert: it won't.

Mueller will say as little as possible and Trump will throw out some new outrage for the media squirrels to chase after.

Queerty and right-wing media did this before when Chelsea Handler, a Democratic Underground editor (who is gay by admission), Stephanie Rhule, and others, who have implied, correctly or perhaps a little incorrectly, Lindsey G. is closeted or is compromised someway.

Gays, not the deflectors, Putty trolls, on DL and some other political social media, are pointing out Graham's hypocrisy, not labeling him gay as a slur. His behavior has some stereotypic features such as the hissy-fit at the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. Graham has a long anti-gay record in terms of voting and disturbing rhetoric.

Whose running Queerty? They don't get it or want to get it.

Someone is really committed to keeping the focus on Lindsey Graham in these threads.

Ridiculous.

Boris? ^

Mueller next week. Talk about shrinking while the iron is ice cold. Dems need to get it together and start aggressively fighting tooth and nail. There is too much at stake.

*striking

If Mueller indeed acts in a way that does not completely dispel any confusion over his report, he will not go down well in history.

Latest per Stormy

I cannot post the link to the story for some reason, but this is from the Daily Beast:

[quote]George Nader, who was a key witness in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation, was hit with new federal charges of sex trafficking for allegedly having sex with a 14-year-old boy he transported from Europe.

[quote[An indictment unsealed Friday morning in Eastern District of Virginia also charges Nader with counts of child pornography and obscenity. The charges come on top of separate child-porn charges leveled by the same prosecutors last month.

[quote]Nader pleaded not guilty to all charges during a court appearance Friday.

[quote]Nader, a 60-year-old Lebanese-American businessman with deep political and financial ties to the United Arab Emirates, was a key cooperator in Mueller’s probe of foreign influence in the 2016 election. Nader met several times with individuals associated with the Trump campaign throughout the election and into the early days of the administration. He spoke with officials and advisers on matters ranging from a pitch by a foreign firm for the campaign to use social-media manipulation to regime-change in Iran. (He met with Donald Trump Jr. and other campaign advisors about the plan, which included a proposal to use fake avatars to garner support for Trump, but Trump officials deny they ever considered it.)

R12, I sure hope you're right about Bone Spurs fatigue affecting the 2020 election. As the 2016 election approached I deeply hoped Clinton would win because I knew if Toxic Don won it would be nonstop 24/7 coverage of that sick asshole for a long time. And that is exactly what happened. Most of us had Bone Spur Fatigue before he was elected. The cheaters prevailed, we can't let that happen again.

The outrages continue every day and the media acts like it's something fresh and new, this time he's gone as low as he can go. He IS as low as a person can go. Sick fuck in the gutter, bringing us down to his level. I am sick to death of him and his enablers and try to limit my exposure but he takes up all the air on the planet. It's like nothing else happens anymore but the latest crap spewing from his anus mouth.

Science, art, beauty, nature, literature, music, creativity, they all still exist, hiding in the shadows until this moment of disgrace fades from memory. Let it begin in 2020, I can't take it any more.

more from the Daily Beast

[quote]He also helped broker a key meeting between Erik Prince, the former Blackwater CEO, and Kirill Dmitriev, the head of one of Russia’s sovereign wealth funds, in the Seychelles in January 2017. That meeting came under intense scrutiny by Mueller’s team and was described in its report as one of the ways the Russians tried to influence the incoming Trump administration. Federal prosecutors in Virginia argued last month in court that Nader should be held in jail before trial, based in part on his prior criminal history. That history includes a 2003 conviction in the Czech Republic on charges of abusing minors, including a charge of transporting of a minor boy to the U.S. for sexual purposes. Federal prosecutors said Nader has had “hands-on contact with more than a dozen minor boys.” Nader’s lawyers called the U.S. government’s argument weak because he was later acquitted of the Czech sex-trafficking charge.

[quote]Nader is also charged with transporting child pornography—a charge he’s faced in the past. In 1984, Nader was indicted for possessing child pornography in D.C. The charge was later dismissed after his attorneys argued that the material was found through an illegal search conducted on Nader’s possessions at Dulles. In 1990, again at Dulles, law enforcement caught Nader with films featuring minor boys. Nader pleaded guilty the following year.

[quote]Nader most recently faced allegations of possessing and transporting child pornography in 2018. Authorities stopped him at Dulles in January of that year and questioned him about his time working with the Trump team. Soon after, Nader began cooperating with Mueller, and in the spring of 2018 he departed for Dubai, where he lived until he attempted to re-enter the U.S. last month.

[quote]When stopped at Dulles, the FBI executed a search warrant on Nader’s electronic devices, including three iPhones. After analyzing the phones, the FBI found 12 videos that appeared “to be visual depictions of minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct,” according to a criminal complaint filed in 2018 that remained under seal until last month. Nader is also charged with violating federal obscenity law.

[quote]On June 3, he was arrested at JFK International Airport in New York and transferred to a Virginia jail, where he remains locked up. Last month, prosecutors told a court that FBI agents found dozens of child-porn videos on one of Nader’s phones, with some depicting children as young as 3 years old.

FCI at R72, why don’t you sign all of your posts?

r72 wasn't me. They were responding to me.

I just don't sign them all. It seems a bit narcissistic. No judging, of course. Sometimes when I want to, I just forget.

I do think Pres Bone Spurs fatigue is going to be a real thing this election. I do believe it will be the X factor no one is talking about. I don't know who wants more of this. Aside from his true hard core base, his soft supporters may not find 4 more years of this something they want to gamble on esp with his overt racism showing. He is ripping us apart and they may decide to either not vote, vote 3rd party, or vote Blue.

R61 it may sound made up to you, but it's not. You think all racists follow the same rules of who they're racist against?

R70 I can't open the link. Can you give us the gist? Thanks.

Why is everyone in the Trump administration in cahoots with either child molesters or Russians? Seriously, it’s beyond the pale how much contact they have with these freaks.

NYT: Trump’s Electoral College Edge Could Grow in 2020, Rewarding Polarizing Campaign

R78 easier to blackmail them with.

Question is, why are all the molesters and Russian taint lickers, Rethugs?

Jesus Christ onna crutch!

Charlotte Observer:

Trump called out by some Christians for using 'Lord's name in vain' at fiery NC rally

Newsweek:

Hope Hicks' Lawyer Says She Didn't Lie to Congress About Trump's 2016 Hush Money Deal: 'Simply Wrong'

Washington Post: Trump calls rally crowd ‘incredible patriots,’ a day after trying to distance himself from ‘Send her back!’

r82....She was very clear in her testimony....and yes, she lied.

[quote]Trump's new Facebook ad targeting women features Diamond and Silk.

[quote]The duo recently called Nancy Pelosi a "non-functioning alcoholic" based on a doctored video

Right, R78, the corruption affiliated with trump simply illustrates the corruption and evil of trump himself. It's disgusting. His base is now smeared with the same evil he projects. The entire lot, trump, his family, his cabinet, the republican senate and congress, the deplorables etc, all sick and evil.

[quote]His base is now smeared with the same evil he projects.

Pics please.

Kyle Griffin:

Elijah Cummings sent a letter to the U.S. Attorney's Office for SDNY requesting info about whether a DOJ policy against indicting a sitting President played any role in the decision not to indict Trump for directing Michael Cohen to pay off women during the 2016 campaign.

r79 I don't believe he has more of an electoral advantage.

I don't see how he wins MI, WI or PA again. I just don't. IA also went heavy Blue (3 out of their 4 seats and the 4th one, the reddest, was close). Plus, NC is in play and FL will be razor close again. AZ is in play for Dems. He is not well liked there. I also think Dems have a shot at GA.

Ivanka and her oily husband have gone quiet.

Ivanka and her oily husband have gone quiet.

One thing Hillary had is gravitas. She had the "it" factor. She was so popular until the right wing smears/Russian propaganda got to her. We down her campaigning style (it wasn't that bad- she narrowly lost to Obama and beat Sanders) but her campaign was hit from all directions in 2016. Who could navigate that? Yet, she lost by 77,000 over 3 states and won the popular vote by the largest margin ever in a losing campaign.

[quote]Trump's new Facebook ad targeting women features Diamond and Silk.

Speaking of Trump's African American braintrust, they've stepped forward to clear up any confusion we may have about racist language. They tweeted:

Nancy Pelosi said the WORDS that the President used were racist. But those same words are in the Dictionary. Does that mean that the Dictionary is now racist? Should all Dictionaries be banned since Democrats are offended by words?

I think it best not to give Diamonds and Pearls any more attention.

When will this all end?

soon.......

R89, Trump will keep Ohio, I think. But Representatives from Michigan and Pennsylvania just voted against tabling the recent impeachment motion, and they must know where their bread is buttered.

R61 The Caribbean islands black population was not composed of southern states refugees in any large numbers. Those island sugarcane plantations imported basically forced labor directly.

[quote]The Caribbean islands black population was not composed of southern states refugees in any large numbers

Eastern Mexico is an island ???

Mueller, your country needs you. All you have to do is tell the truth. Lay out in the clearest terms what you found. Get it all out in the light. You don't have to exaggerate or any other bullshit. Tell the truth clearly and concisely. That's all. No hemming and hawwing. Make your report as clear as day to the avg person who doesn't pay much attention.

It amazes me that people here seem to believe that the 2020 election will be free of Russian (or other nefarious) interference. I live in Florida where election results have been manipulated for many years (2000 and thereafter, for sure). Why do you think the 2020 national presidential election apparatus will somehow turn squeaky-clean overnight?

It saddens me that most people seem to think that the 2020 elections are our last, best hope for getting rid of that orange asshole. I sure as hell wouldn't bet my life on it. Here's hoping that fucker is somehow gone (where's the Grim Reaper when you need him?) before the next election is stolen by the Republicans and their shady partners-in-crime.

r101 No one is taking things for granted. Of course the Russians (and others) will meddle.

Who here thinks that, R101? I think most of us are smart enough and skeptical enough to know that all of the things you listed are likely to happen. I think very few DLers argue that the 2020 election will be "squeaky-clean", and the ones that do are most likely trolls.

I can imagine what this thread will look like next Wednesday.

I know what it shouldn't look like:

[quote]WASHINGTON — Nervous Republicans, from senior members of Congress to his own daughter Ivanka, urged President Trump on Thursday to repudiate the “send her back” chant directed at a Somali-born congresswoman during his speech the night before at a rally in North Carolina, amid widespread fears that the rally had veered into territory that could hurt their party in 2020.

Ivanka may be keeping a low profile lately, but she managed to get her name mentioned in the first sentence of this NYT story yesterday.

[quote]The historical record, of course, tells another story. In the sixteenth century, New Spain--as Mexico was then called--probably had more enslaved Africans than any other colony in the Western Hemisphere. Blacks were present as slaves of the Spaniards as early as the 1520s. Over the approximately three hundred years it lasted, the slave trade brought about 200,000 Africans to the colony. Many blacks were born in Mexico and followed their parents into slavery. Not until 1829 was the institution abolished by the leaders of the newly independent nation.

[quote]Ivanka may be keeping a low profile lately, but she managed to get her name mentioned in the first sentence of this NYT story yesterday.

Asha Rangappa:

Translation: “While making sure she is physically nowhere to be found, Ivanka plants a story with ‘anonymous sources’ that she spoke up so that she has plausible deniability when she runs for POTUS and the issue comes up again.”

Diamond and Silk = Aunt Jemima and Mammie

Diamond and Silk= Tovah McQueen and Belma Buttons.

R107, is there supposed to be context to your post or did you meant to post that in some other thread ?

Diamond & Silk vs Whoopi & Wanda

I'll take Whoopi and Wanda ANY day.

R107, there are few errors in your link.

Mexico's second president was a black man and Mexicans named the state of Guerrero after him. While the native population took a hit, the Mestizo (Spanish/Native) population was the largest workforce throughout Mexico. Many Spanish speaking Mexican Mestizos traveled North making them the first minority to arrive to the US when the majority was Native Americans.

Imagine that, apart from the native languages from Native Americans, Spanish was probably one of the first foreign lenguages spoken in the Southwest. Ahahaha. Poor Deplorables.

Ivanka's name should always be accompanied by the appellation: "Unwanted."

Unwanted Ivanka got her name in the papers.

Ivanka, who is probably a Dem (we don't want her) is just a grifter with no talent like daddy.

so what will Trump do and say on Tuesday-Thursday to counter the Mueller hearing? His rally this week was supposed to be the rebuttal but with the hearing moved, he simply used it to continue launching racist and xenophobic attacks.

Always have this if you are within 20 yards of W. Barr or pass through wherever he's been in the last hour.

R117, he's ramping up the Iran crap again.

r117 Buckle up. He will pull some serious shit, IMO. The Iran story today may be a preview.

One scary thing about him is- he walked back the chants yesterday. Then, after watching the cable shows and late night talk shows say he threw his deplorables under the bus, he completely back tracks again today. He is so easily yanked around, that is deeply frightening. Look how easy it is. It is all about him. What situation will we be in where he, instead of walking something like this back, he gets goaded into doing something with deadly ramifications?

My goodness!

Yeah, they took down Iran drone and then the fucking Iranians took took control of 1 or 2 UK oil tankers. motherfuckers.

I don't think Trump's gonna do anything. he's too chicken. The economy is already slowing....if he starts anything Iran, the world economy is gonna go in the shitter.

well he'll have to do something to distract from the Mueller hearing. Unless the Democrats act like fucking morons and ask stuff that Mueller can vague and convolute his way out of, then there's going to be very damaging info about his conduct revealed to the majority of Americans who haven't been following or reading the report.

This is a decent analysis of the situation with SDNY and Cohen. Oh, and as I recall, I thought the SDNY " had opened new avenues of inquiry based on information developed during the Cohen investigation..." and also that Cohen was cooperating in terms of giving them more information. But I also remember the really unusual level of hate the SDNY had when they wrote up Cohen's charging and sentencing documents. They thought he was lower than shit if I recall. Personally I believe Barr shut it down.

I hope Hicks gets in trouble for perjury but I bet she'll skate through just like Trump and his kids

btw isn't it funny Pence hasn't gotten into trouble? Remember he headed the transition team when some of this shit went down!!!

I hope Trump collapses from heat stroke on his golf course in NJ this weekend.

Hope Hicks probably wasn't charged because she didn't know she was breaking campaign finance law but Michael Cohen apparently did because he's a lawyer and I guess she (who was working as the head of communications for a presidential campaign) couldn't have been expected to know anything about laws governing the campaign. Not with her being so pretty and everything. I guess this is another example of being in a position that you're not qualified to have and being too stupid to know the law so you get a pass - kind of like Trump.

Today it dawned on me that the dread and unease I feel about the current administration is akin to being under siege. We can't let this go on. The American democracy will be destroyed and replace by a hateful dictatorship.

From dictionary.com (edited): noun: the act or process of surrounding and attacking a fortified place in such a way as to isolate it from help and supplies, for the purpose of lessening the resistance of the defenders and thereby making capture possible. any prolonged or persistent effort to overcome resistance. a series of illnesses, troubles, or annoyances besetting a person or group: a prolonged period of trouble or annoyance.

verb (used with object), sieged, sieg·ing. to assail or assault; besiege.

Of course the slob Barr shut down SDNY. It's what that worthless shitbag was hired to do

Frankly, I hope he, his spawn and anyone who has ever worked with him are personas non grata after the orange traitor goes to jail. Barr needs to be in prison as well but that fat fuck will probably drop dead of a heart attack and thus be out of reach.

We should dig his rotting corpse up and drag it through the streets anyway.

I hate him almost more than the orange traitor.

sadly I don't think that will happen. I expect most of them to get jobs working other repub politicians whether part of their administrations or campaigns. At the very least they can get Fox gigs as commentators. Look at fucking Sean Spicer. He is widely viewed as a pathetic joke but not only does he get to occasionally appear on Fox, he was hired as a correspondent for the entertainment news show Extra! I don't know if he's still with them though as I stopped watching the moment I found out they hired him.

Now he was more of a joke than 1 of the more evil ones (like Stephen Miller) but the point is, I think most of them will be just fine. Kellyanne will probably crawl back to Ted Cruz.

these repubs HAVE NO SHAME and the politicians know that Trump is so popular with their base they'll want to try and gain favor with them by hiring his people

I hope I'm wrong but...

I wish the international Red Cross could sweep in and properly care for those caged kids in detention. Actions like that would give this country a good kick in the ass and embarrass Dump and his Pigs. I was oddly happy too that no other country would join us if we declared war on Iran. Yes, yes Ditler, that's how much ill will you have created in just two years of your fuckery.

r129. It would be sweet if the media would cast a daily spotlight on how pappy Donald Barr saw fit to give Jeffrey Epstein a teaching job at Dalton School when he has no previous teaching experience and no college degree. Now his son Billy is the US Attorney General? Hmmmmm.......

It'd be doubly sweet if they remind the public that Jim Acosta was Dumps Labor Secretary who let Epstein off the hook so he could go on to rape and abuse hundreds of other victims. The two could be run on the chyron throughout Epsteins trial.

aaaaaand speaking of people we despise? Guess what? Trump's new labor secretary nom is expected to Eugene Scalia, that's right, son of Antonin. He inherited the mega asshole gene too

'Swinging' Roger

Pence & 'Mother',in behalf of Trump, are heading to Colorado Monday to campaign for Corey Gardner.

Miss Thang is not happy Spurs has been hosting Rand also in Bedminster. That was Miss Thang's and Spurs special place to meet up.

Miss Thang is not happy Spurs has been hosting Rand also in Bedminster. That was Miss Thang's and Spurs special place to meet up.

Jake Tapper on Lindsey

Karen Pence leads the U.S. delegation for Special Olympics.

Trump needs to die.

That is all.

You would think when he was being criticized for being racist, he would maybe think twice about retweeting someone like Katie Hopkins. He says and does so many things, it is hard to cover everything, but I wish it would be pointed out more how often he retweets racists or conspiracy theorists.

OT, but this is so funny yet sad and pathetic. Asap Rocky was arrested in Stockholm because of the fight. Trump the Idiot has promised to call to the Swedish PM to solve this and get AR free. In a democracy, which Donnie knows nothing about, politicians cannot be involved with justice system. Swedish PM has already told he cannot and will not take part to the process.

Here is Swedish tabloid’s news. PM Löfven basically informs PM cannot do anything. Everything must be done by the law.

Trump's statement that he was going to talk to the Swedish PM shows a little bit of how his mind work. He says the "very intelligent" PM as if he thinks flattery will get him what he wants - which when used on him does work.

R129

You get the following post grade which is very good.

Hope,

You carrying out orders that the Trump administration will discipline their own, is not what most people expected.

They recycle in and out of government and corporate jobs. Hope Hicks is with 21st Century Fox in some high level position and getting PAID. Not Fox TV or Fox News, but the corporate parent.

[quote]Actions like that would give this country a good kick in the ass and embarrass Dump and his Pigs.

After all that's transpired the last few years, you still think Trump and his deplorables are capable of embarrassment?

Bless your heart.

The Swedish government respect the rule of law? How quaint! I'll show them how it's done here, in the greatest country of the world!

Why is he taking an interest in this guy? I don't buy the Melania asked story. Does he think it will make him seem less racist or something?

They rake their lawns in Norway. - DJT

Michael Cohen tweets from behind prison walls.

[quote]I welcome the opportunity to return to Congress to once again testify under oath truthfully and honestly regarding the hush money payments, which was performed at the direction and in accordance with @POTUS @realDonaldTrump. Justice will be served.

[quote]Why is he taking an interest in this guy?

Because Kim Kardashian called him personally to ask him to intervene.

Seriously.

Has Sarah Huckabee Sanders found a new job?

She was reportedly in NYC earlier job hunting.

Perhaps modeling and show girl opportunities are tight this time of year.

Maybe you should clog up the thread with memes of her as well.

Washington Post: Federal judge temporarily halts congressional Democrats’ subpoenas of Trump financial records

Politico: Inside the IRS's audits of the president

R156 you are a troll trying to dictate what people post. That's been long evident. Either you are trying to counter depictions of Trump related figures or obsessed with demented control. Your intent is to be a thread killer Why don't you unclog your nasty ass but away from humans and the animal kingdom?

r154, yup, this is the perfect embodiment of how Trump wants the whole system of justice to operate. It should all be based around the personal intervention of the Dear Leader, and personal appeals by people who have enough fame and money and show enough veneration that they are allowed to make personal appeals to the Leader.

I’d love to believe the rumor that Trump let Epstein bang his 14 year old daughter Ivanka and then made her get an abortion.

I do wonder if that was the falling out that nobody will specify, Epstein wanted to fuck Ivanka and that was just too far for the pussy grabber.

I doubt VERY much that Trump allowed anyone to touch Ivanka when he couldn't have her himself.

R127....STOP..... Ignorance is no excuse under the law...besides, she isnt that stupid, and she knows exactly what shes doing. They use the same excuse for DJT,Jr....IF ANYONE ELSE BROKE THE LAW, THEY WOULD ALREADY BE IN PRISON. There were/are PLENTY of peole surrounding all of them that have experience and know better...IT IS NO EXCUSE.

r132....Did you know that at the time Donald Barr enlisted Epstein at Dalton he (Barr) wrote a book about sex slavery ?....seriously....look it up.

I wonder if Donald Trump has ever been friends with anyone who isn't a complete asshole.

According to Orange turd, lots of people called him regarding that rapper's arrest in Sweden, even Melania asked him about it.

I never knew this about Sweden, they can jail you for 2 weeks without any charges? damn!

But jail in Sweden is probably really nice and clean.

Something I have learned:

If you are a Republican nominee for President – or President – you will be accused of being a racist.

John Lewis compared John McCain’s campaign to being like that of George Wallace.

It comes with the territory unfortunately.

Speaking with @seanhannity in just a few minutes.

Tune in!

That Melania is just so so compassionate!

[quote]Radical leftists are taking over Democratic Party marching towards impeachment in spite of Mueller Report. Hope cooler heads prevail.

R127, R164 and others....

What many of us keep forgetting is the reason they were so careless in breaking these laws is because they didn't give them a second thought. Nobody was gonna be charged because there would never be an investigation. Why? Because Trump was NOT supposed to win! They all expected to get paid, get away with their crimes, and continue on. His "victory" changed the stakes.

still Hicks should be charged with perjury. She got away with her actions during the campaign but she knows lying to Congress is a crime. I'd like to know who the fuck her lawyer is since he obviously advised her what to say

I’m too pretty to be sent to jail.

R163 please. Drumpf would, and probably has, sold little lapdancer's pussy for $20.

Hicks will never be charged with Barr as attorney general.

t179, which is why the next Democratic president should encourage investigations into Trump Criminal Corruption.

What world is this that justin bieber is the voice of reason???

[quote] but while your at it

Oh dear, Justin!

To all those who think Trump never expected to win, I call bullshit. He knew he was "getting help" and he may have thought it was a 50-50 proposition at first, but by, maybe the convention of 2016 he fully expected to win.

Fuck A$AP ROCKY let him rot. This is ridiculous! We are fucking trash now, complete trash. This whole country is basically the Paris Hilton Carl’s Jr commercial and a Ludacris music video. Trump jumped the shark and is now running the White House like a reality show, he’s not even pretending to play President anymore.

Miller

Trump to world: Let our piece of shit thug criminals out of your jails!! (Btw, can we ship some of the children we are incarcerating to take their place?)

I hope a Democratic President won’t let these crooks get away with it and not pursue it ‘for the good of the country.’ Fuck that,

That is the face of evil, r188.

r190, Ford made that mistake. Obama made that mistake. I hope Democrats have wised up.

Mrs. Jada has spoken, you know Jada with the Heterosexual husband and son.

@jadapsmith Hold it ... G-Eazy got to strike a deal a day and half after possession of drugs and assault charges??? But you’re holding Rocky. We got the message loud and clear Sweden. Trust me ... we got it.

R128, look up the definition of “Fascism“, too. It fits that fat slob perfectly, too.

Why is everyone upset that some rapper is being held in Sweden ? Im sorry, but you break the law, you go to jail...especially if youre in another country....abide by their laws or pay the consequences. Bigger stars have been charged and jailed while traveling.

Depends on what he's being held for. Drugs, especially, pot, well that's a stupid reason to throw anyone in jail, so yes free him, not because he knows Kim Kardashian just because it is stupid to enforce stupid laws. Something else? Well that depends.

Speaking of Kardashian:

One wonders if Caitlyn will play Melania in "the movie"?

[quote] R130: sadly I don't think that will happen. I expect most of them to get jobs working other repub politicians whether part of their administrations or campaigns

Similarly, it bugs me that Repub candidate for President always says, when their predecessor is mentioned, that they aren’t them. I want the Dem candidate to say “You’re going to hire the same people that screwed up (whatever, usually the debt, maybe the economy, Iraq, world, whatever)”. They’re the same staff! That needs to be highlighted!

Same thing with the Congressmen. I didn’t realize how parties worked when I was younger. Now and for a while, I vote straight Dem ticket. Only if the Dem is a real wacko do I look elsewhere.

Trump Outings Count

At taxpayer expense.

Stop with the Lindsey pics. Wasn’t funny then and it’s not funny now. He’s a huge cocksucker! We get it.

[quote] R164: STOP..... Ignorance is no excuse under the law...

Actually, it may be. The law about campaign finance is written so that ignorance is explicitly a viable excuse. Ridiculous, I know.

R194, so does psychopath. Really. It's no joke and scary how much he fits the profile.

Stepen Miller looks like he was timewarped from Germany circa 1939. All that's missing is the SS uniform.

Russian intelligence has been hacked! Exposes social media projects. I wonder who is behind this?

[quote] R190: I hope a Democratic President won’t let these crooks get away with it and not pursue it ‘for the good of the country.’ Fuck that,

We really need to set an example and prosecute.

I’m unhappy that a Congresswoman can hate her country. And puppies. And God.

[quote] DJT: “You can’t talk that way about our country. Not while I’m President.”

Is there any evidence that he’s anything other than a coward and bully?

Wow! R207 thanks for posting that.

I hope it was one of our Allies and not us. Because fat Donnie will burn that asset if it was us.

I sure hope the remaining good guys can use this info to fuck Putin up bigly.

Was I wrong to block the poster who posts non-stop La Senatrice memes? Like 40 posts disappeared when I did. Is he well meaning? Should I unblock?

Do what you need to R212. He's trying to prove a point but it's obviously gotten annoying.

Der do beez sum smaart peoplez dat likes Donald Trump. Der do beez.

I’m jusa on da porch.

r214 So much ignorance, so little time. This reeks of her being paid to say this. Not that it matters. Ignorance knows no bounds.

There is a poster that opposes any post about Lindsey Graham that isn't flattering. Another poster (Mat-type?) is doing the chain Igmur pics to troll whomever she determines has posted comments, articles, tweets, mentioning, or joking about Graham prior. It is projection. A pic of the Miss Lindsay in antebellum attire is suppose to be horrifying?

I, among others, have previously referenced Graham and linked articles. Most are relevant to the news. Graham is Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He is targeting issuance of FISA warrants and pursuing investigating and/or prosecution in tandum with Barr, Jordan, Meadows, etc. of earlier DoJ staff and federal agents. That is not minor activity, and it is all to protect Trump, McConnell, cohorts, and themselves.

The aim of the trolls is not to stop themselves from seeing Graham, McConnell, and such critiqued in posts. They could simply block. It is about YOU NOT seeing it. Keep that in mind.

Washington Post: Democrats hope Mueller gives credence to their claim of an unlawful Trump

R216, You post anything and everything about Lindsey Graham and post every fucking meme on the planet about it, thinking it's hilarious.

I hate Graham and there is no need for endless memes and thrice-daily posts of "Miss Lindsey is going to be on Hannity tonight!" again and again and again.

The trolling is because of YOU and your nonsense posts that have very little bearing on anything.

I'm not "protecting" creepy Graham. I'm showing how idiotic your endless posts about him are.

You are a stalker @218.

[quote]Lindsey's office couch in Washington, D.C. is light yellow with uniform brown leaf prints. The texture looks quite soft. The pillows make it look so inviting and comfortable. Some famous and important people have experienced it.

[quote]What are your thoughts about this couch?

LOL! The Miss Lindsey Troll tried to make his own comical thread about LG's couch and it was a monstrous flop!

NO ONE CARES about Lindsey Graham, okay, Miss Lindsey Troll?

Try to carry on like a good Southern Belle.

Washington Post: ‘He always doubles down’: Inside the political crisis caused by Trump’s racist tweets

Unhinged, obsessed with another poster, latches on.......218/220 must be La Senatrice.

He’s been studying Hitler films. Ex-wife claimed Trump kept a book of Hitler sayings at bedside.

So they're all tweaking their brains out in the WH, right?

I mean, KellyAnne's a poster child for Faces of Meth.

Trump is Pissed that the squad criticizes him.

Well, he’s no TR, is he?

Trump is pissed that Mueller moved his Congressional appearance and the rally Trump counter programmed could not be rescheduled.

He needs to keep this race baiting front and center for TWO weeks.

Not gonna work.

R217. There is "new" footage now of Julian Assange receiving visitors and packages from not-before-seen persons hiding their identities visiting Assange in Ecuador embassy. If this is not the holy grail, then I don't know what else we need to nail Tramp. Plus, Cohen drop identifying Tramp as Individual 1.

These stupid Repugs simply cannot assimilate facts -of course not written facts, but actual videotaped fuckery going on. Images, not words. How in the hell did they ever get anywhere? This footage and details became public after Meuller's Report was finalized. I even have a suspicion that Barr demanded Meuller to shut down prematurely. This backfired and allowed everything still under investigation to be made public and served to hasten Tramps unraveling.

Thank God for stupid racists and pervs and grifters.

There has been a lot of radio silence from the Republican establishment on Trump's racist tweets, even from folks who have left the government and have nothing to lose. I think that the establishment is rethinking its decision to not primary Trump.

I think this is a huge opportunity for the Democratic nominee and it's this: to call out the Republican Party for its complete moral failure in the last four years. You don't even have to dress it up with a bunch of adjectives, they've been so awful. Just repeatedly express sadness and regret at the death of the Grand Old Party... a rival worth having (we say plenty of things in politics we don't mean but sound great!). Let them argue their way out that. They can't. The whole damned cabal can now defend what they've become. They can't.

Sadly, r228, even if they are, the Republican Party is pretty much comprised of Dump supporters at this point. So they may want to, but if they’re realists, they get the odds are pretty long. The centrists have pretty much left the party.

Yeah, I don't know what Republicans people keep waiting for toi "speak up" or "stand up " or WTF ever. There IS no Republican Party like the one they're thinking of. Go read George Will. A man I cannot stand but he at least is out here working hard to encourage the Delusionals to wake up and Vote for the Democrat. I divide them into two groups: The Deplorables, whom we all know; and the Delusionals who are waiting for The Republicans to "do something."

My thrd "D" is the Despicables. These are elected officials and government officials and political and religious leaders who publicly support and defend Trump.

In politics, one should not resist the temptation to grind your opponent into dust.

Never, R233. It's a blood sport.

He looks like Porky Pig with his nutz caught in a ringer in that pic.

Chris Wallace Just said Fox News is showing The Mueller testimony LIVE on Wednesday.

(Hopefully, Mueller is a little more forthcoming.) Or the Repubs have set up some kind of trap?

r236 We will see. Just be ready for anything. Fingers crossed Mueller paints a damning portrait of a criminal President.

I feel like Trump's racist comments have backed the establishment into a corner. Not only have they lost the mushy independents, they're losing an entire generation. If they don't run a serious candidate to primary Trump and stand up to his racism, it will be decades before the party can recover. Even if their primary candidate lost, at least the establishment can separate themselves from Trump in the future by saying, see, we tried.

Some Republican is going to have to take one for the team and rip Trump to pieces. That Republican's career may take a fatal hit, but sometimes you have to cut off the limb to save the tree.

Gee, that fat piece of shit Chris Christie wasn’t on ABC This Week. Funny, he appears on it every other week. Maybe he’s self-aware enough that even he can’t defend the indefensible? I’m sure he’ll be right back there next Sunday claiming Mueller’s testimony was a nothingburger.

Miami Herald Editorial Board Just Called out Sen. Marco Rubio response to Trump's Tweets

"As Trump’s reliable sycophant, Rubio drags us further into the president’s swamp"

Well, R240, that's what it's going to take. The local media, in Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, etc.etc.etc. have to go batshit crazy and rip the shit out of people like McConnell, RUbio, Rand Paul, Lindsey, etc.

And while were at it let's not forget "Socialism." It is going to be the battle cry of the Republicans. THey are going to use AOC, and others as poster children and keep screaming about "socialist ideas" and ridicule, marginalize and smear. They wouldn't recognize a "socialist idea if it shit on their faces. We need to nip that shit in the bud and begin refuting it now. They have to be made to look ridiculous.

There are finally some conservatives saying judges and tax cuts aren't worth this. SE Cupp is on CNN ripping the prez and good ol Christian Santorum is just shaking her head no.

While we're on the so-delicious-it-should-be-illegal topic of GOP primary challengers, who's signaled their possible intentions at this point? Bill Weld, John Kasich, who else?

Christie's silence has been very notable. Even if he was on vacation this week, he could have tweeted something but he didn't.

Christie has made it clear that he wouldn't primary Trump, but if Christie wants to ever be President, I think this is going to be his only shot. If he tries to run in 2024, some Dem candidate will just show a commercial of Trump saying racist things with the crowd behind him chanting and the commercial asking, Where were you Christie? Why were you silent? The general 2024 election is already a lost cause for any candidate who doesn't condemn Trump's racism. The timing isn't optimal for Christie - Bridgegate is going to be all over the news next year as the Supreme Court considers the issues - but this is the best it's ever going to get. And he's one of the few candidates with the stature and charisma to take down Trump. The white nationalists will never vote for him, but the Trump voters who fall for authoritarians might be persuaded to jump ship.

Jordan, Meadows, Gaetz, Gohmert, etc., are planning to aggressively attack Mueller with the "seventeen angry Democrats" deflection, and the "blame the investigators" bullshit. That could backfire. Mueller could get pissed at the personal attacks, and unload some sordid details not in the report. Democrats need to stick to probing questions. Congressmen love to granstand before the cameras. Use your 5 minutes to ask the right questions. Extract as much information as possible out of Mueller in the short time allowed. It's a single chance.

^grandstand

Weld is running against Trump, but since he endorsed Obama in the past, he hasn't a prayer of getting the nomination.

Kasich and Christie both said they wouldn't run unless they saw a path to victory - they weren't going to run for the hell of it. Christie said early on that he wouldn't primary Trump. Kasich confirmed right before Trump's announcement rally in June that he wasn't going to primary Trump. He had considered running as an independent, but somebody with brains must have talked him out of it.

Kasich has 3 problems if he runs - 1) he's anti-Trump, so he won't win over any Trump voters; 2) apparently, he's not very likeable; 3) in the general election, his religion might turn off Dems. But if Christie throws his hat in the ring, Kasich might jump into the ring right behind him, thinking he can clean up what's left after Christie and Trump rip into each other. However, if Kasich was backed by the establishment, I don't think Christie would challenge the establishment.

Maryland's Governor Hogan also expressed interest, but around the same time as Kasich, he said he wouldn't primary Trump. Hogan's problem is that outside of Maryland, nobody knows him. He sounds likeable, but with all of the criticism likely to come down on him for primarying Trump, he doesn't really have the national statute to withstand what's coming.

Flake was talked about as a possible contender, but he's like a damp squib that nobody pays attention to.

r236....I think you misunderstood...Fox said they are NOT airing the Mueller testimony.

R245 Girlfriend, you are so on.

Santorum was just ass licking on CNN earlier. What is his motivation? How can someone who is soooooo devout in their Christianity stan for him so hard? It just goes to show, conservatives put party and their policies over country AND religion. They're a bunch of phonies.

One word, r250.

Abortion.

[quote]How can someone who is soooooo devout in their Christianity stan for him so hard?

He's a good Christian... hypocrisy is their 11th commandment.

r251 It cannot be just that. No way. Pence would do exactly as the current resident. I don't even think abortion is the true motive, ever. That is cover for other things.

Party>conservatism>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>abortion. I am not even including country because, as we've all seen, they really don't care about it.

Once again...

Republican Mueller is NOT going to say anything to endanger a Republican POTUS.

He has even already told you that if called before Congress all he will say is please refer to his report.

Try not to be too disappointed on Wednesday.

Just make sure to vote and get all your friends and family to vote for the Dem nominee next November.

AP:

Mueller's testimony poses risk for Trump, but also Democrats

Washington Post: Ahead of Mueller hearing, Nadler says there is ‘substantial evidence’ Trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors

NYT: In 88 Trips to Capitol Hill, Mueller Grew Weary of Partisanship

The Hill: Two Democrats vow to press forward on Trump impeachment

Politico:

Adam Schiff wants Mueller to bring his report ‘to life’

I'm seriously not getting my hopes up for Mueller. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Politico: Trump adviser Stephen Miller says outrage over 'racist' remarks meant to 'silence and punish'

Santorum is a well-paid hack for CNN to do the "both sides" bit on panels and staged debates in behalf of Trump and Republicans. Some things he says are reasonable, but he can also make outrageous comments from time to time.

CNN has not had great success in picking Republican panelists. But having the job to defend Trump's dirty deeds can't be particularly endearing.

The Hill: Giuliani: Mueller should not testify before Congress

I would like for Mueller to answer that one question: did Barr asked him to shut down the investigation or not. Because I think he did.

I would like to know how many of the investigations that Mueller referred out have since been shut down by Barr.

Not getting my hopes up either. Mueller has basically shown he is unwilling to stick his neck out to publicly state what is obvious to the rest of the world. He wouldn't even put it in the damn report, making it as vague as possible.

Good, then treat him as a hostile witness and grill his damned racist protecting motherfucking ass.

John Pistole, who served as Mueller’s deputy for years when he was FBI director, told the Washington Post: “For anybody hoping he’s going to provide new information or evidence against the president, I think many people will be very disappointed."

It really is just a waste of everyone's time to have him appear.

Nothing new will be learned or gained from it.

R262, are you kidding re: Santorum? He comes across as a fucking moron every time he appears and his arguments are constantly shut down by the likes of Kirsten Powers and Max Boot.

r254 I think we all understand not to get our hopes up. The only thing we can control is who we vote for.

r268 No one is looking for any *new* evidence rather we want clarity from Mueller.

The Dems should have the questions laid out in advance, in series. They shouldn’t be making their own questions up. There ought to be a theme, as the questions progress from one Dem to the next. The questions ought to be like:

When you said you couldn’t clear the President was that because you would have charged him if he was not the President? Etc.

Mueller accepted the job. Got paid. Worked on it many months. He has a responsibility to elaborate and answer Congressional questions about the report. This attitude of "I'm done", and "I am above it all" is annoying, delaying, and being de facto protective of Trump and cohorts. Give a damn straight-up recommendation instead of vagueness which allows too much 'pick and choose' based political leanings. If Barr forced him to shut-down early, say so and give details.

R274, Mueller said in his presentation that he was not asked or told to shutdown, early or otherwise, so I think that is out.

“The Dems”...

For the past FOUR years r229? Since St. Alzheimer’s they’ve been screwing the country openly, and without lube. Dubs STOLE an election. I can’t stand AOC or the squad (except Pressley she seems sane), but the one thing they’ve done is yank the Dems leftward. They’ve been too complacent and corporatized themselves to really raise hell, and now maybe they’ll show their fangs at last. The GOP are compromised and bordering on enemies of the state.

I’d love to hear one of the candidates describe Trump as the enemy of the People.

r268, I'm adopting a "nothing new here" attitude. I believe Mueller will not divulge any surprises and if they push too hard we may hear something we don't want to hear. So this needs tobe done with care.

I don’t believe that all the indignation we’ve heard, all the upset, anger, shock, and so forth, is just because Trump is vulgar. He is that, but the Dems know more than they can say and more than they can prove, but they know it.

I'll tell you one damned thing. If we ever get out of this mess, if we ever get a Democratic controlled Congress and a Democratic President,I hope they re-write the damned law for appointing and supervising a Special Prosecutor. Because this situation points to the folly of having him investigating the executive branch and being supervised by the Executive branch, Presidential appointed AG.

It is total bull shit. and the part about whether to shut down an investigation was not followed. There are guidelines for when, if, and how an investigation can be shut down and they were not followed. The decision to make the findings public in a report, and to bring that report to Congress, none of that was done because it wasn't required. Too much was left to the discretion of the Attorney General. It leaves Congress looking important, and the Attorney General with too much power.

I'm not getting my hopes up either but if Democrats can just get Mueller to confirm the most damaging parts of the Mueller report, that will be blockbuster news because 90% of the fucking country hasn't even read a summary, never mind the whole thing. For the vast majority of the country, the headlines coming out of hearing will be the first time they've heard it

Mueller will not go past what he wrote but he doesn't need to. If he's content to let the repubs attack his character then he's an idiot.

This is the final chance for Democrats to turn the country onto impeachment though. If they allow repubs to be the headline grabbers with the bullshit about "the origins of the investigation (even though we already know it started with a drunken Georgie Paps spilling to the Aussie diplomat), the Steele dossier and the Strzok/Page nothingburger, then they deserve to lose the 2020 elections.

Democrats have very skilled attorneys working with them to practice and anticipate. Let's hope they don't fuck up

Mueller worked for the American people who paid for the report. His obligations lie with the people - not the DOJ or Barr or the GOP. One of the dems needs to remind him of that at the beginning. He left a lot of questions open in his report and the tax payers would like some clarification.

Dems better be prepared for this. No fucking showboating. No long speeches. Republicans will do enough of that. I want the dems buttoned up and asking short, probing and relevant questions. Politicians in front of a camera are worse than actors.

Thought: If Obama had admitted PR and DC as states in 2009, none of this shit would have happened.

Mueller could respond with, it is in the report, did you read it? I think the attack dog Repubs may make Mueller reveal even more information..wouldn't that be fun?

I don't trust Meuller at all. He is smug and self- righteous. He can't call a spade a spade. Bill Barr is his best pal. If Meuller can't see how much destruction Barr has inflicted on this country, than the both of them should join the KKK.

Also, I can't understand Stephen Miller. He's Jewish and is insisting that Trump is not racist. Talk about self-loathing. Trump thinks he can exonerate himself from Epstein because he called him a "Jew bastard". Go figure

Trump is particularly unhinged this morning on twitter. He probably started the day with a big fat line of Adderall. I hope he shows up for a press conference, red, sweaty, sniffling. Good thing though that he can hide the jaw movement in his fat jowls.

R285 It was up to Congress to take up statehood considerations. And it wasn't until 2012 that Puerto Rico had a vote that requested statehood, and by that time Teabaggers were in charge of the congress, and as such, it would have never even been entertained.

Reuters: Explainer: Send him back? What it would take for Congress to impeach Trump

NBC: The one Democrat who can get Trump's state taxes doesn't want to. That's infuriated the left.

The Hill:

Trump renews Mueller attacks days before testimony

Politico:

Inside the preparations for Mueller’s history-making testimony

The Hill:

Key numbers to know for Mueller's testimony

We need to stop calling the 4 congesswomen , AOC, Omar, Pressley,Tlaib, the squad. They are 4 duly elected individual congresswomen. Calling them the squad is meant to demean. We should no give any credence to Trump's insults and normalize them.

[quote]Calling them the squad is meant to demean.

AOC is the originator of the "squad" designation.

USA Today:

Former special counsel Robert Mueller's testimony, like his report, promises an ink-blot test for partisans

WGN9 Chicago: Illinois GOP group removes post calling congresswomen ‘Jihad Squad’

I know Trump serves up a daily smorgasbord of outrage, but it continues to amaze me how little attention the media and public pay to his unprecedented graft. The latest:

The Trump administration, which next year will host the leaders of the world's most powerful economies for the G7 summit, is down to its final few choices after completing site surveys of possible locations — and Trump National Doral, President Trump's 800-acre golf club in Miami, is among the finalists.

The Republican party has been smeared beyond redemption by the orange shit ball. They are all odious.

R291 wtf is wrong with him.

I wish the media would stop calling him President Trump, or refer to him as The President. He's not the legitimate POTUS and he doesn't deserve that kind of respect.

R300, The Republican Party has always been exactly like this. Maybe not back during Reconstruction, when it was still the party of Lincoln, but it has not been too different. OK. The Republican Party has never cared about shit.

DJT: “The (Mueller) report was written. It says no collusion...”

He should be impeached for this lie alone. If not a chronic liar, he’s delusional. Both are reasons to remove him.

Yeah, tRump...that was the Bill Barr comic book version of the Mueller report!

Oh, Lord, Trump is saying He could win the Afghanistan war “in a week if he wanted to kill 10 million people”. I’m sure he’s alluding to nukes. He’s such an idiot.

I mean, any President could have done so, and chose not to, because it’s monstrous.

He also just said in the press conference that he likes the reporters from Pakistan much better than ours. OMG, I wish he would disappear.

DJT: “The (Mueller) report was written, and it said ‘No collusion’, and the Attorney General was able to very easily find that there was no obstruction...”

I am guessing that he thinks that, if he repeats it often enough, if will become true.

My young nephew is a Deplorable. I think he is to try to get his Deplorable father’s love/approval. Plus, he doesn’t know much different, and that’s really sad.

the problem is that a lot of people in the media and even some politicians CONTINUOUSLY mix up "collusion" and "conspiracy". Every time I hear it, it's maddening. I can't believe anyone who follows this wouldn't know there's a difference by now. Look out for that during the hearing. It will mostly be repubs doing it but even in recent media appearances I've head a few Democrats doing it too. Hopefully all the Democrats asking questions won't be that stupid on Wednesday. They need to be precise. Let the repubs interchange the 2 words if they want and look dumb

"I'm the best thing that's ever happened to Puerto Rico". I shit you not, he just said that.

About the cash, it was Iran’s money we seized in the 1970s. It didn’t belong to us. We returned it in cash because our laws/sanctions prohibit banks from dealing with the Iranian government. Finally, the World Court was about to rule that we had to return the money to Iran. He might not know this. Why do I know more about this than the President of the US?

It's bad enough that Trump is a moron but what's worse is that he's a lying, mean moron.

Oh Lord, he offered to mediate in Cashmere. Can you imagine? He’s an idiot.

Trump just said there was no missile testing in North Korea, whereas there was. There should be someone standing over his shoulder shouting out the truth every time he lies.

^Kashmir.

[quote]he offered to mediate in Cashmere

Pics please.

In all their soft, luxurious richness.

R314 He’s trying another angle for that Nobel Peace Prize he covets.

r289, thank you for the clarification. In your opinion, would two Democratic Senators from DC have turned the tide in 2009?

ugh. Trump is pulling that "reverse racism" bullshit talk now

I hope it backfires but too many white Americans are racist so who knows. It may help him

I had no idea Chelsea was pregnant again.

^wrong thread, sorry.

Four more years of Trump and his enablers, voting as we know it may be gone. Hold the House and try to regain the Senate. The Presidential election could be third, maybe fourth time, it was stolen.

Biggest victims: Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, and the Democratic process.

wow listening to an analyst on MSNBC now. He's saying Trump could lose the popular vote by an even bigger margin in 2020, something like 5 million but still win the electoral college

He does think Arizona is a new bright spot for Democrats though

I just hope Democrats can secure Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Arizona would be a bonus

we've been so close in Georgia and North Carolina too

The GOP is now starting their recall election bullshit again.

Losing PA, MI and WI were flukes. They are long time Blue states. Dems just swept up in those places 9 months ago. What makes anyone think he is in a good position there? He isn't this new, exciting outsider like he was back in 2016 when he barely won with an assist from everyone.

Thank god for some of you! All my friends are on the "he's gonna win again bandwagon" I can't even converse with them it pisses me off. I mean how the fuck are we expected to win with that attitude?

[quote] Losing PA, MI and WI were flukes. They are long time Blue states.

Pennsyltucky will be staying red. PA ain’t Philly.

I have always voted. I’m in a deep blue state, and I voted for Hillary so that she’d have a mandate. Well, that didn’t work out so well, but my point is that there’s always a reason to vote. If it’s close, or not close, vote!

The Dems don’t really need to win too many seats to take the Senate, but this prediction, far in advance, predicts no change.

With this idiot in charge, you’d think there’d be a counter-reaction, but no.

R319 Theoretically, yes, it might have made a difference.

Assume DC: Two Democratic Senators, and one Democratic Representative.

Assume PR: One each, Democratic and Republican Senators, and 3 of 4 Democratic Representatives. The extra four Representatives wouldn't have gotten us much, though it would have been good to have the extra votes. But with three Democratic Senators? We would have gotten the public option as part of Obamacare. And that? That would have made all the difference in our healthcare today.

Just my thoughts. YMMV

Trump is saying he won't watch Mueller's testimony. How many minutes do you think he'll be able to refrain himself to say it's boring (just like he did with the Dem debates who he swore he would never watch)?

- 0.000000017 seconds

- 0.17 seconds

- 17 seoncds

- 17 minutes

- 170 minutes.

I'll go first: 17 seconds after Gym Jordan asks his question to Mueller about when did he know there was NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION (capitalization included).

I am sick of the cable news hosts just letting his campaign and surrogates spew lies and conflate issues. They all use the same talking points -extreme left, far left, radical left, socialists- and now suddenly the squad are racists. FUCK THEM!

Didn't Miss Lindsey said they were communist? I hope that at least his master was happy to hear it.

[quote]I just hope Democrats can secure Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Arizona would be a bonus

Arizona is as likely as Wisconsin. It's part of the equation.

[quote]Losing PA, MI and WI were flukes

The GOP was making gains at the state level for years. Why do you think all three got to be so shitty in the first place? The fluke was that they voted for Obama.

Politico: Justice Department officials have communicated to Robert Mueller that the department expects him to limit his congressional testimony this week to the public findings of his report, according to one current and one former U.S. official familiar.

Thanks r330. Considering how Trump and the Republicans have treated PR, and considering that it will be Dems who make them a state, do you think that today they would send two Dem PR Senators?

The Hill: Ukrainian officials and Giuliani are sharing back-channel campaign information: report

how would that work though? Both PR Senators would be elected in the same year? Doesn't every other state have them staggered?

R338 of course. No one thought for a second when Giuliani canceled his trip that that was the end of his collusion attempts. Now he's just doing it openly. I hope this story catches fire especially after Mueller's hearing

L.A. Times:

Democrats hope Mueller's testimony will make more Americans want to impeach Trump

CNN:

DOJ has not seen Robert Mueller's opening statement for Wednesday's hearing

CBS:

Trump says he won't watch Mueller testify, but he might

R337 In 2008 when we in the US were busy electing Barack Obama, Puerto Ricans elected a Republican governor 52% to 41% (the other 7% split amongst other candidates). Fortuño was part of what's called the New Progressive party, but politically, it's the equivalent of being a Republican.

So yeah, I can honestly see Puerto Ricans sending one Dem and one Republican to congress *back then*. But in today's political climate, it would be two Democrats for sure.

Mueller needs to tell the DOJ to kick rocks and slob Billy to suck it.

He is no longer a DOJ employee so those traitors don't get to dictate his testimony.

I really hope something like this DOES NOT happen:

Q: Mr. Mueller would you say AG Barr mischaracterized your report?

A: My assessment of what happened is in the report and I will refer you to that for my conclusions. AG Barr can interpret the report however he chooses and I am not in control of that

walterh, @ r344, Thank you

NYT: In Conservative Michigan, Voters Want to Love Trump, Not Leave Him

The Hill: House Oversight schedules Thursday vote to hold Kellyanne Conway in contempt

r348 I do not give a fuck what the deplorables think. Fuck them with a cheese grater.

r335 MI, PA and WI were won by Dems since forever. He barely won them this last time with A LOT of help. WI has seen a lot of cheating as well. Still, it was a fluke he won them.

You are all assuming that Mueller is one of the "good" guys here.

That's your first mistake.

He's still a Republican.

r351 Maybe, but it is his time to step up. We have to expect people to do the right thing even when they won't.

He could blow this thing wide open, but will probably hold to this:

Can’t prosecute the President while in office

And

Can’t address his crimes while he can’t defend himself in court.

What has he been doing, but defending himself!?

Simple question: “Would you have brought charges against Donald Trump if he were not President?”

If he can not answer that he’s a POS.

I hope Mueller's role in America's 'passion play' isn't that of Pontius Pilate....Only time will tell, but I'm getting too afraid to hope anymore. As time goes on it seems as if nothing short of revolution will remove Dump and his rogue's gallery of lackeys.

R355

A: I don't answer in hypotheticals. The OLC policy prevents a sitting President from being charged so I cannot even consider that option

Sadly I expect him to answer like this

That DOJ letter sent tonight will fuck up the testimony further.

That letter from the Justice Department is just infuriating!! He can't talk about squat!

Rachel is discussing this development right now. DOJ is claiming executive privilege applies, but Matt Miller is saying they can’t control what Mueller says now that he’s a private citizen.

Seeing the DOJ debased like this is disgusting.

"Without a presence at the hearing, administration officials would have little recourse to prevent Mueller from going off-script and revealing details of his investigation that the White House considers off-limits. They are poised instead to rely on Mueller to self-police his remarks, indicating that they are confident the former special counsel will stick to carefully planned comments that mirror the already disclosed findings of his investigation."

It's time to impeach Bill Barr. Grow some balls Senators and Congressman.

This DOJ letter MUST be disregarded. They have no jurisdiction over Mueller. I hope it pisses him off. Plus, it is such a transparent move...Barr needs to be removed from office.

Mueller will obey.

some people think Mueller wanted that DOJ letter so he could give it as an excuse not to answer anything outside the report

Hopefully that theory is wrong but who knows

the DOJ letter now allows him to avoid answering hypothetical questions like "would you have indicted Trump if not for the DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting President?"

R366, I could swear I heard one of the guys on Rachel tonight (sorry -- don't remember who) say that Mueller asked for the letter.

Expect nothing from Mueller.

but that's why it's gonna look even crazier when repubs attack him. I mean Mueller is basically protecting Trump as much as possible because he doesn't want to "appear political". So why the need to go at him? I hope they cross the line and embarrass themselves, showing the public once again they're full of shit. I want to see how Mueller handles them trying to delegitimize his investigation and tarnish reputation

I wouldn't trust Mueller as far as I could throw him.

These Repukes have already shown they have no misgivings about tarnishing their own reputations and debasing themselves for the opportunity to lick Trump's dirty asshole. Mueller included.

[quote] Q: Mr. Mueller would you say AG Barr mischaracterized your report?

[quote]A: My assessment of what happened is in the report and I will refer you to that for my conclusions. AG Barr can interpret the report however he chooses and I am not in control of that

Remember, though, Mueller wrote a letter to Barr telling him that he thought Barr was misrepresenting his report.

Total waste of time.

Either just impeach Barr or drop it already and focus on 2020.

Mueller cannot be trusted to honestly assess his fellow Republicans.

Basically if all they do is get Mueller to confirm the material in his report that he himself has already given, it will be enough. He can sit there and read the fucking report on live TV and the media can run clips of it for a week. The point is to get more people to PAY ATTENTION to the information in the report.

All the hypotheticals are a waste of time. If the Dems go down that road he will resist and they will look bad. Let the fucker read his own report. That report is damning.All he has to do is confirm. Do not try to get him to go somewhere he doesn't really need to go, nor legally that he can resist.

He has said he will not deviate from the report. Respect that. (I'm no Mueller fan, but they're trying to game us so we need to be smart.) Let him "clarify" if you can get it, but the report has some incredible shit and it needs to be publicized better. He can do that if he is handled the right way.

All Barr's posturing means nothing. He lied and mischaracterized the report. Now we get the full deal by the fucking author. He isn't going to take it back, and he will only soften his language if he is pushed too hard. Barr looks real bad right now. Right out in public he is looking very desperate. I don't think Mueller asked for the latter. I think Barr wants us to think Mueller asked for it.

I have little faith in Meuller. However, isn't Meuller allowed to verbally recite the parts of the report that emBARRASS has previously redacted. I know the House was doing what they could to see the redacted portions, but in their usual losing fashion, they let it go and forgot.

Mueller asked for that letter from DOJ. It is in response to a memo he sent them on July 10 asking them to clarify the DOJs perameter in testifying. He wanted something official to use as an excuse not to state anything outside the report. However, since the Justice Committee has oversight of the DOJ, I think it is more than appropriate for them to ask him questions regarding process i.e. why didn't you subpoena Trump? Why did you give Manafort, Gates, and Flynn "sweetheart deals" in exchange for their testimony if you weren't going to for anyone above them? You state in the report that you have evidence of Trump's Intent in the Obstruction case, yet you never state what that intent was. Was it to Obstruct the investigation? Barr stated that you didn't do your job in not coming to a conclusion on the Obstruction cases, since he seems to believe that the DOJ memo wasn't a factor in determining whether a sitting president can be indicted, why do you? Why was the Russia portion of your investigation limited to two official Russian governmental agencies? Common knowledge of Russia, knows that Putin works primarily through a series of UNOFFICIAL Russian oligarchs who seemed to be all over the Trump Campaign. Why was the evidence of Trump's Campaign manager providing Russia with campaign updates and proprietary election data not considered Coordination? Who lied to you during the investigation? Were these lies detrimental to the case? Why didn't you subpoena Don Jr., Jared, Ivanka? There are lots of process questions that Mueller needs to answer. The public paid for this report and has a right to understand how the process worked or what caused it to fail.

Dear God, please don't let Trump appoint Devin Nunes as Director of National Intelligence. The man is the least qualified and its a really important position. I would hope he couldn't clear Senate confirmation but you never know...

R375, you raise good points. If Mueller tries to stone wall the committee, they can make him look bad simply by reciting those kinds of points. There were so many loose ends left out here the committee ought to responsibly push on those. If they can't get Mueller to deviate from the report, they can at least make it clear this was a whitewash, and a sloppy, incomplete mess, and make Barr & Mueller look bad. Mueller's reputation and the reputation of his lawyers is going to be spotlighted. If Mueller is bullied by Barr, I'm expecting some of those lawyers to start leaking big time.

[quote]I would hope (Nunes) couldn't clear Senate confirmation but you never know...

Trump will just appoint him acting director like he does everyone else.

R377 yeah they could do those things but they won't. We know they won't.

Like father like.....

The Hill:

Pelosi, Democrats launch Mueller messaging blitz

Washington Post:

The names you’ll hear in the Mueller hearing

AP:

Wray's testimony could be preview for Mueller hearing

Wray has been doing a decent job under impossible circumstances. He's far from perfect, and he obviously has to deal with the reality of Barr, but I have this fantasy, where Wray is the guy who will bring Barr and the rest down, and he will do it in such an invisible way, no one will realize he was even involved.

Why don't they call the other lawyers who worked with Mueller to testify?

R385, I think most of them are trying to not have their careers derailed. A lot of them respect Mueller too much, but I think they will push back eventually. There was one in particular who had a reputation for being tough in court, and he was among the first to leave as things wrapped. I would love to hear from his ornery ass. Don't remember his name.

Junior just called Democrats "scumbags" in a tweet. He doesn't explicitly write Democrats, but you can read it between the lines.

This guy was all up in arms when Hillary called half of the Trumpists "deplorables".

I also love that Donnie keeps tweeting there is no "there there" in the report, nothing, nada, but instead of asking everyone to read it (because, you know, since there is nothing at all incriminating, all the people should read it), he urges people NOT to read it. Non sequitur much?

[quote]If they can't get Mueller to deviate from the report, they can at least make it clear this was a whitewash, and a sloppy, incomplete mess, and make Barr & Mueller look bad.

Well, they can try. But if they don't get Mueller to reveal anything new and shocking, the media (not just Fox) is going to paint it as a fail for Democrats.

Frank Figluzzi said yesterday on Nicolle Wallace’s show that Mueller is not some wilting flower who is going to let people mischaracterize him or his report (and he stated this as someone who had experience being on the other side of a forceful Mueller moment back when he was his boss.) He said that Mueller would be cutting, and extremely clear if he is confronted with some complete bullshit (see whatever Gym Jordan pulls out of his hole). So, although my expectations are rather low for this from a bombshell perspective, it was encouraging to hear that from someone who knows the man quite well.

Trump lickspittle Jim Jordan tweets:

Rumor is that Aaron Zebley (Mueller’s Chief of Staff) will be on the witness panel with Mueller. You don’t get to change the rules right before kickoff, especially after a 22 month, $30 million investigation.

(Something's got Jim spooked!)

I think the Republicans on the Committee will probably slobber up to Mueller first and try to get his good graces. If things start to go south, then they will rip into the whole thing and say it was a waste of money. witch hunt, etc

How can they say it was some huge ware of money when, if you factor in the Manafort seizures, the whole thing actually MADE money? I hope someone has a nice, clear statement about that fact ready to go. It makes the GOP look like lying assholes yet again.

*waste

An old pro like Mueller will probably make a point of saying how many arrests, indictments, convictions, etc were accomplished...but then he must be confronted about the incompletes the loose ends, etc.

I've been thinking about it. Especially since Boris Johnson just became Prime Minister in the UK. I wish we had a Seal Team Six type operation to go and take out Vladimir Putin and his top oligarch guys. He started all this shit. He has been fucking with us in the Middle East making a peace plan impossible since the late 70's mid-80s. He runs his terrorist operations through Iran and Syria and he always has. He subsidizes Hezbollah in Lebanon and he was instrumental in flooding Europe with refugees from those countries and the African countries . He weaponized the internet and has become expert in cyber attacks. Completely rogue nation with a shit economy and a population of long suffering alcoholics and dissidents. His goal to destabilize Europe and America is right on schedule. He has energized and helped grow the Extreme Right globally, and will take us back to the late 30's. He's a filthy piece of shit and so is anyone associated with him. Including Trump, Manafort, Flynn, and the rest.

omfg I hope that rumor about Devin Nunes being a top consideration for DNI is fucking false. He cannot be trusted!! We already know he's a dishonest and underhanded piece of shit. He should be in jail. Does the House ever investigate its own? He is the #1 candidate to be under investigation for his behavior

[quote]He cannot be trusted!! We already know he's a dishonest and underhanded piece of shit.

And that's exactly why they want him in.

Bloomberg:

Trump Sues to Block House From Getting State Tax Returns

Politico:

Barr: Mueller asked for guidance on testimony

[quote]Mueller is not some wilting flower who is going to let people mischaracterize him or his report

Except he has and Drumpf does it daily.

R399 Yes, it's in the letter that they sent back to him. First line says that this is in response to your July 10th request for clarification.

Fuck Mueller!!

it really is a great question to ask why Mueller let so many of these people off the hook if Trump, his son and Kushner were never getting charged.

but with the DOJ letter, Mueller has "an out" now so he might not have to answer that

This literally unfathomable

Filthy swamps often are, R404.

CBS:

Pelosi distributes memo to House Democrats ahead of Mueller hearing

NYT:

Key Aide Will Appear Alongside Mueller During Hearings

Buckle up, folks. Mueller needs to bring it. Fingers crossed he presents a damning case against Pres Bone Spurs no one can deny.

IF all he does is read the report, slowly and deliberately, I'll be happier than I've been since the Barr blowoff.

It will become apparent, as the convictions and spin-off investigations are listed and noted, what the fuck they've been doing over at FOX and in the administration to brainwash and obfuscate supporters. They will see, for themselves, what wasn't shown and what was covered up or excused in the propoganda. Maybe it will change a few minds.

Since the Iran-Contra scandal, the lack of indictments for the bankers in 2008/09, and our WMD delusion in Iraq, I've given up hope for real justice and put all the coins in the karma box for an impeachment in name only. Let the historical record be made that this is a corrupt administration and that the people were not happy.

I would also want a ban on all deplorable 'panels' of support from MSM. No one cares what these racists think anymore.

BREAKING: Michael Flynn's business partner Bijan Kian was convicted on both charges of illegally lobbying for the Turkish government, per @FossumSamuel. Case appeared to be on very thin ice but jurors in Virginia returned 2 guilty verdicts. Case originated from the Mueller probe.

So what is this fuckery going to be about?

And no, I don't have any hopes that it benefits us.

Mueller is a Republican. Their loyalty to the party trumps all.

R411, this actually undermines Barr, who has been trying to stop anyone from testifying about anything.

Tomorrow will be something: Either very elating or very disappointing. I will need copious amounts of wine either way...

I anticipate, “very disappointing”. Someone tell the “concern troll” that I’m concerned.

The report is cagey. You need to be a lawyer and smart to understand how bad it is for Trump. How it discreetly calls for impeachment. He should dumb it down for the audience, but he won’t. In my dreams:

“Why, yes, Senator, if the President wasn’t President, I would have charged him with conspiracy with a foreign power, being an unregistered foreign agent, emoluments violation, and with obstruction. It’s as plain as day. Even a Republican should understand this.”

R413, he's not going to be sworn in and he's not going to testify.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chair wants Papadopolus to come forth for a session.

DJT: “I have the right to do whatever I want, according to Article two. But I don’t even talk about that.”

What is he trying to communicate here? That he’s stupid beyond belief? That he finally read Article two? He talks like a child.

R416, has that been decided? The story linked at R411 specifically said that Mueller wanted the aide to be sworn in and testify.

R419 I saw it being reported on MSNBC that he would appear but would not be sworn in. Now I'm reading this which was posted a few minutes ago.

Seems confusing but again, I have no expectations that Mueller is doing this as anything to help give what Democrats actually need.

Side Note: Pro-Drumpf sites are spreading headlines like, "Clinton Attorney will Sit Along Side Mueller..."

House Oversight Committee meets Thursday to vote on holding Kellyanne Conway in contempt for refusing to show over multiple Hatch Act violations.

The Yapper fears yapping before Committee Democrats.

He's more optimistic than I am.

Half the shit Abramson said was going to happen never happened so I take anything he says at this point with a great amount of salt.

[quote]Frank Figluzzi said yesterday on Nicolle Wallace’s show that Mueller is not some wilting flower who is going to let people mischaracterize him or his report (and he stated this as someone who had experience being on the other side of a forceful Mueller moment back when he was his boss.) He said that Mueller would be cutting, and extremely clear if he is confronted with some complete bullshit (see whatever Gym Jordan pulls out of his hole). So, although my expectations are rather low for this from a bombshell perspective, it was encouraging to hear that from someone who knows the man quite well.

Remember when everyone said Barr could be trusted to be professional because of his reputation and professionalism. Uh huh.

[quote]Senate Judiciary Committee Chair wants Papadopolus to come forth for a session.

Is he going to bring his Russian spy wife with him to act as his ventriloquist like usual? Better check the room for bugs afterward.

I mean, seriously, Papadopolus has the least credibility of everyone and is working for the Russians. Clearly there's something to be said for Lindsey's sudden about face from being a Never Trumper to his most ardent supporter in the Senate (besides McConnell, who seems to exist solely to "own the libs" now).

Is it wrong to be so excited about Mueller day? I know people are saying it could be a big nothing, and blah, blah, blah, but I think it will actually be kind of exciting. At least the word is out there that this a big deal. We shall see.

How creepy is it that he was speaking in front of Turning Point conservative youth group where they cheered in almost cult like fashion for all of his blatant lies and as he mocked various people. I saw a few clips of the crowd this evening. It did not seem overly diverse.

I'm actually really curious how Mueller deals with the repubs who try to tear his work apart.

lmfao at desperate reporters today saying they had BREAKING NEWS that the repubs were going to zero in on 1) how the investigation started 2) the Steele Dossier and 3) Page/Strzok

I mean anyone who's been following this already knew that's what they're going to try doing

but I want to see Mueller deal with that. Will he give vague answers and let them trash him? Will he get pissed off ?

Chest bumps for Trump!

Nothing homo here.

I fucking hope Mueller doesn't give some vague ass answer like this:

Q: Did you intend for Congress to act on your report?

A: My job was to finish the investigation and give it to the AG. Afterwards my work was complete. I have no say on what Congress does.

if he answers like that I'll be so fucking pissed. That would allow Barr to claim authority instead of Congress doing its oversight

R430 that's exactly how I think he's going to respond.

and see that's the issue. Trump, Barr, repubs and Fox "News" count on the fact that the majority of the country does not know how our government works and the laws. They therefore can act out of order and defend breaking protocols convincingly.

the mainstream media better cover this the right way.

The Hill:

Schiff tells Mueller that DOJ directive should have 'no bearing' on testimony

L.A. Times:

Mueller's testimony could make or break Democrats' impeachment push

The Hill:

Trump has open schedule during Mueller hearings

Trump is a Nazi at heart. He truly believes that he is beyond all criticism and all dislike. It is kind of amazing. Mueller can fuck him up just by criticizing him.

Why would the hearing have any bearing on Impeachment hearings? Republicans aren't going to be swayed and they still won't have the numbers.

You only need the House to impeach and the Democrats have enough votes if all of them vote for impeachment.

But it won't happen. Nancy Pelosi won't allow it, and a good many Dems don't want to vote for it either, they'd rather let this lying cretin of a president get away with all his crimes.

it doesn't matter what Republicans think r437, it matters what people at home think. not that that is guaranteed.

And again, they still won't have the numbers. Mueller's testimony isn't going to change anyway.

Wednesday’s Word of the Day: EVASIVE

So sue me, but I think that Mueller's testimony will amount to a big, fat nothing burger tomorrow.

R442 seems to be the consensus.

it's not about repubs. The moderate Democrats and Pelosi do not want impeachment either. They will only go for it if the public opinion polls show a significantly higher desire for impeachment. If the needle doesn't move after this hearing, we're not getting impeachment. I'm curious how many people out there are undecided. Obviously the overwhelming amount of the country has not read even a summary of Mueller's report. We know the 40% Trump cultists won't change. How about independents?

I'm really unhappy with Pelosi and the moderate Dems being so cowardly. If Trump gets reelected and they never had even an impeachment inquiry, this will fall on them. We know the repubs are scum. Democrats are supposed to be much better than that.

I'm not getting my hopes up for tomorrow but I'm just curious to see if there's ANY change in public perception

If the Dems do nothing and Trump gets reelected, there won't be a Democratic Party anymore, because as President-for-Life Trump will declare them illegal.

i think there will be a big something. may be wrong, but I think there will be.

Ah, the trolls have returned. "Nothingburger." "Evasive." "Amount to nothing." Fuck off.

[quote]Turning Point conservative youth group

The birth of Hitler Youth.

Like what R446? Expectations have been tamped down to next to nothing across almost all media. Mueller knows his every syllable will be analyzed to death...

I think despite everything Mueller is ready to hold forth. they are doing everything to supress that, but I think he's ready. it will be interesting.3

R447 it's not trolling to be unhappy with the fact that Mueller is barely cooperating. Those of us who are skeptical will gladly eat crow if tomorrow's hearing ends up being a major momentum gainer for Democrats to start impeaching.

I wonder how long it will last though. Remember summer vacation is just around the corner. It will be a hard sell to tell the country how terrible Trump is yet not stay in DC to take care of things

I will gladly take back all my complaints if I'm wrong and Mueller helps the country tomorrow. If he gives vague, confusing answers that will not help anything. Hopefully Democrats ask questions in the right way for him to say what's in the report. They're not going to get much else that isn't in the report.

I personally don't see how anyone can look at what has happened in the past few years and then take issue with people being skeptical that tomorrow is going to change anything.

Nah. The trolls showed up en masse right as the morning shift started Moscow-time. They have their mission. Look when the mass of posts, all in a row, started.

well again I think it's right wing media that has changed the game. Nixon didn't have this back in the 70s though he wanted it. The repubs didn't have to bow to right wing media pressure and social media from angry right wingers yelling at them for not loyally following the president into the abyss.

Trump is insulated with the assholes on Fox screaming conspiracy theories and bullying repubs into not speaking out against him. Then the repub base is getting that loop of Trump and Fox saying the same things so they believe it.

Right R454, but why doesn’t the Right marginalize Trump so as to favor Pence? Pence seems like a. Ore traditional, sane republican. Trump is A wild card because he’s so mentally ill.

I wonder if this is how Hitler was? And if the public knew he was batshit crazy?

It's really sad when over 50% of the population think the president is batshit crazy and there is no way to get rid of him.

Will be interesting to see what type of sentence Bijan Kian receives. He can get up to 15 years. He was business partners with Flynn who actually did far more serious crimes. Since Flynn reneged on his cooperation agreement, I say throw the book at him.

Let’s just admit that this country is going down the shitter and is basically late 1930s Nazi Germany. The camps and executions are coming. It’s time to move on to somewhere else. A fucking Baby Boomer ego (Trump) has ruined everything. After all this shit plays out, like Germany, you won’t be able to speak about this time in history. Sorry but there is no immediate remedy for all this. WE ARE FUCKED.

I am worried (call me a concern troll if it makes you feel better as I don't give a fuck) that if a Democrat asks Mueller would he have indicted Trump if not for the policy stating we don't indict sitting Presidents, he'll give some fucking vague confusing answer that could be interpreted as a no by people who are stupid and by the right wing media trolls. That would be a clip they would play over and over again. A lot of people simply do not understand or have patience for nuance and we have learned by now Mueller likes to give nuanced answers.

Let's hope that doesn't happen but who knows

what I'm hoping for is that the repubs really overreach with their attacks and end up looking stupid. I want it to backfire big time on them but who knows

[quote]It's really sad when over 50% of the population think the president is batshit crazy and there is no way to get rid of him.

It's even more sad that over 50% of the population (by representation, at least, because so many fuckers can't be bothered to vote) knew he was batshit crazy and voted that way and it didn't matter then, either.

R459, Mueller could say, "Fuck yeah, I would have indicted his ass faster than he can tweet a lie!" and the criminal right wing media would still find a way to spin it.

I can hardly sleep, DL. No matter what, we have truth on our side. No matter what. We have facts on our side.

Here we go- hold hands!

I'm with you FCI, r462

What times does it start?

5:15am PT

It's live, bitches!

Are we all using this thread to live commentary or should we just use one of the other threads that are sure to be opened?

It's either too early or DL is on PrimeTime?

Anyway, what feed are you all watching?

MSNBC here. I like Nicole Wallace's commentary.

Mueller is in the room.

It was smart of Nader to state early on that the investigation ended up costing zero dollars.

Mueller looks like he's paying more attention to what the Rethug is saying to him more than he was when Nader was speaking.

Really these Rethugs want to act indignant that "gossip," should not be used to set off uncalled hearings?

HAHAHAHA.

[quote]You only need the House to impeach and the Democrats have enough votes if all of them vote for impeachment.

The House had a vote on whether to move forward with impeachment last week. Only 95 Democrats voted in favor of it. You think the Mueller testimony is going to sway the other 136?

So Mueller just confirmed he's not going to say anything about anything.

r473, I didn't say that. I said that hypotheticially, if all the Democrats in the House voted for impeachment, they could carry the vote for it. Which is absolutely true.

I know they're not all for it, and sadly, I doubt this Mueller testimony will cause enough of them to change their minds. At least as long as Pelosi is so adamantly against it.

Uh, that would be Trimp er Trump

Trump obviously conspired with Russia.

Hey, can we say Altzheimers?

Trump obviously conspired with Russia.

Hey, can we say Altzheimers?

Trump obviously conspired with Russia.

Hey, can we say Altzheimers?

Over 100 contacts with Russia re: the election but totally no conspiracy!

Is he bumbling on purpose? He really fucked things up, while trying to show he has no balls. What an idiot that he did not accuse Trump of corruption! He knows his decisions screwed America.

It seems like Mueller needs a Red Bull or something. He’s not speaking very forcefully and there are lots of ums, uhs, and “what page again?”

Because R482, he knows the Rethugs are lying liars and he doesn't trust their quoting. He's also very well aware that they'll ask him lying, misleading, questions to trap him.

But he'll still wont turn away from them.

R471, the Republicans are hostile to him—of course he is going to pay more attention to them.

Yes, the central figure who started all this, who lied... was not charged.... Would you have preferred I charged Drumpf, Jordy?

R453 I’m curious about what you said re the trolls showing up en masses on Russian time. I’m only in the treason threads, and maybe a few others. Where are they showing up? The treason threads seem to have one or two, but luckily that’s about it. Just curious—and Would love to downvote them if I could recognize them!

R486 he was saying that anyone that said they didn't expect much out of Mueller today was a troll.

Is there a Mueller testimony thread or is this it?

There's a thread, R488, but you can obviously use either.

Here’s the official Mueller testimony thread.

Got it, thanks r487.

From @SethAbramson: --- LIEU (D-CA): "The reason, again, that you did not indict Donald Trump is because of the OLC opinion stating that you cannot indict a sitting president, correct?

MUELLER: That is correct.

I love Jim Wright's response to Scarborough:

[quote]Oh, just fuck off. You want forgiveness? Then you have to repent your sins. It wasn't about being a Republican. You don't have to beg forgiveness for that. No, it was the lies you told in their service. That's the crime. You knew you were doing wrong and you did it anyway, for fame, for money, for yourself. You've never taken responsibility for helping create this monster. You just want forgiveness now without doing any of the work. I repeat, fuck you.

And what happened today is exactly why the person screeching, "Troll!" was completely wrong. People were not wrong to not have any expectations that Mueller was going to do anything other than refer to his report and choose to not answer questions.

What they needed to make clear was:

Robert Mueller has said that if he could have said Drumpf DIDNT commit a crime he would have. He didn't do that which means Drumpf committed crimes.

He was asked that, R495, and acknowledged that the report does indeed say just that.

Yes, R496, but they needed to hammer it over and over for those who don't pay attention.

hearing 2 went better

hearing 1 the repubs really put on a theatrical show and that will unfortunately work with some of the public.

Will Nancy do anything now?

Ole Puss is tweeting away:

Yes, R499. Nancy is going to dust off her magic wand and instantly get the 218 votes she needs to Impeach. Then she can hold a news conference and tell us how the House did their job, but McConnell is blocking them. Yet again. (At last count we didn't even have 100 votes for Impeachment.) People think the House Democrats will march robotically toward what ever Pelosi wants as if she can hypnotize people into doing her will. These are Democrats. Not Republicans.

R501: So, do not do the job of the House (start impeachment for wrong doing) because the corrupt Senate won't remove. Sounds like a winnimg strategy! Let's see how that works out in the next election. The House flipped for a reason. This is not it.

No, R502, it has to get passed in the House first and the votes aren't there. How will that strengthen the Democrats' position or Pelosi if they initiate Impeachment hearings the the articles of Impeachment FAIL in the House? Think. Don't be stupid.

Declaring an impeachment inquiry will facilitate testimony and strengthen court avenues to compel witnesses to testify. Executive Privilege can no longer be cited to avoid testimony.

Declaring an impeachment inquiry will facilitate testimony and strengthen court avenues to compel witnesses to testify. Executive Privilege can no longer be cited to avoid testimony.

OK R503. You're right. Do nothing. Smart.

Thanks R505. You get it.

Eric Swalwell just said on MSNBC that he sees impeachment inquiry as the next step.

R503, I DID NOT say "do nothing." I simply pointed out that the votes are not there and that the possibility of an Impeachment vote failing in the House would be a disaster for Pelosi and the Democrats. Anyone who cannot see that is either delusional or is not on our side. Soi the objective right now is to get the votes. DO not move before you're ready to move. I never said do nothing asshole. Why not start calling the fucking members of congress and get them on board.

R507: It should be!

R508: When you go to caps and start calling people names - you're ignored.

Josh Marshall makes a good point -

"Among other things, these two hearings illustrate a basic, important point. Obstruction is very important. But the real issue is the collusion, the active encouragement and acceptance of help from a foreign power. In other words, the underlying substance.

Obstruction is important in large part because it blocked getting the full story. The most important point here has never been narrowly statutory crimes. It’s the President’s betrayal of his country to get elected. That’s what matters."

Bernie Madoff asks Trump to reduce his prison sentence for massive Ponzi scheme

The DOJ has sent a letter to Speaker Pelosi informing her that there will not be a prosecution going forward on AG Barr and Treasury Sec Ross over contempt for ignoring subpoenas by the House Committee on Oversight and Reform.

But is it their decision to make?

[quote]But is it their decision to make?

Yes. That's the problem with subpoenaing any from the Trump administration. It's the Trump administration that makes the decision on whether to proceed.

Thanks R514. Let that sink in.

Fox News frontpage tonight: "Nunes: There is Collusion Between Russia and the Democratic Party". Nice spin Faux News!

Fox had 'The Five' on, and didn't even show the news conference with Pelosi, Nader, Schiff, Lewis, etc. Fox was talking about Mueller's testimony focusing on Trump's attorney's statement and the deflections of Nunes, Gohmert, Collins, Jordon, etc

Quelle suprise!

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department will not pursue criminal charges against Attorney General William Barr and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, after Democrats in the House of Representatives voted to hold them in contempt in a dispute over documents concerning whether to include a citizenship question on the 2020 Census.

In a letter on Wednesday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Deputy Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen said that responses Barr and Ross made in response to congressional subpoenas over the Census issue “did not constitute a crime.”

“Accordingly, the department will not bring the congressional contempt citations before a grand jury or take any other action to prosecute the Attorney General or the Secretary,” he added.

The didn't call it the "Democrat Party" r516?

Is that progress?

Probably an intern. He's new.

So the Department run by Barr decided not to prosecute Barr...

The lack of justice and enforcement is mind blowing! How long until a Repug commits murder because they feel above the law?

Nunes' batshit conspiracy theories are mind-boggling. The Democrats conspired with Russia to...elect Donald Trump president so they could investigate him?

If you're huffing paint it makes perfect sense.

r521 yeah I can't believe that either. Doesn't the House have its own internal law enforcement they can send to arrest them?

r522 the Republicans constantly accuse others of what they are guilty of. Nunes is such a stooge.

This country is broken and nobody seems to want to fix it, can I leave?

More Trump family grifting, this time Trump, Trump Jr, Ivanka and Eric.

[quote]U.S. District Judge Lorna Schofield ruled today that a class-action lawsuit — one that accuses Trump and the other related defendants of scamming the plaintiffs into spending money on fraudulent, multilevel marketing ventures and a dubious live-seminar program that would teach them the “secrets of success” of the Trump Organization’s real estate empire — could move ahead with claims based on state law, including fraud, unfair competition, and deceptive trade practices.

[quote]According to Bloomberg News, the plaintiffs filed their suit last October “using the names Jane Doe, Luke Loe, Richard Roe, and Mary Moe, claiming they feared Trump’s habit of criticizing opponents on Twitter and exposing them to potential retaliation by his followers.”

[quote]The complaint — which they hope to turn into a class-action suit – alleges that the Trumps defrauded thousands of aspiring entrepreneurs with the bogus and worthless Trump University program.

Where do we go from here?

r526 This isn't where we intended to be.

Politico:

Trump wants restraining order to keep his New York tax returns away from Democrats

Washington Post:

House panel postpones Kellyanne Conway contempt vote amid talks with White House

Why do they keep doing this postponement bullshit? Pull the fucking triggers already. All of them.

When do the actual lawsuits they've brought to get these fuckers to do what they are required to do by law actually get in front of some fucking judges? I'm so sick of this shit. Blow it up, already.

Reuters:

Trump must face marketing scam lawsuit, escapes racketeering claims: NY judge

The Hill:

House panel to go to court to enforce McGahn subpoena, Nadler says

[quote]House panel to go to court to enforce McGahn subpoena, Nadler says

WTF have they been waiting for? And, now they are all going home for the entire fucking month of August. Well, if they don't think this is all important enough to stay in Washington, then neither will Americans. The House should cancel August recess tomorrow and subpoena everyone.

yeah the WH is not going to stop the bullshit. I don't get why they don't just hold Kellyanne in contempt. Stain her record just like Barr and Ross. Even though it'll never be prosecuted so what. It's a stain

So what is the Dem plan for when McGahn ignores their court-ordered subpoena that the DOJ won't enforce?

Nancy needs her vacation time.

Nancy needs a permanent vacation from being Speaker.

You play nice with Trump and his enablers, you lose. When Republicans demanded investigating the origins of the inquiry and the Steele Dossier; Democrats should have said: "why yes, we need to know more about the details of the pee pee tapes. We need to know more about DJT's urine fetish. That's where it started, right, Jim? Did you ever see such in the Ohio State locker rooms?"

Meet absurdity with flagrant assertions of your own.

David Crosby gets it.

Reuters:

U.S. lawmakers poised to hold top Trump adviser Conway in contempt

AP:

What's next after Mueller? Lawsuits, investigations and more

AP:

Trump soaks up Mueller hearings, claims them for a win

Washington Post:

How did Trump end up in front of a presidential seal doctored to include a Russian symbol?

Politico:

Mueller's finally done. Here's how his probe lives on.

R542 it is shared goals.

Will part 112 be the end of these threads? Should be.

Also, time for MSNBC and their "panels of experts" who aren't really experts to give it a rest. You lost. Go out gracefully.

Face it. Trump and his band of liars/thieves outfoxed/outplayed the Democrats.

Why? You sound bothered.

I’m hoping this isn’t really the ending. Evil wins?

(Mueller: “I’m afraid that might be the case.”)

Actually, the NBC corporation could release the off-show tapes of DJT, per the Apprentice, using offensive language, allegedly including racially derogatory remarks. NBC doesn't want the embarrassment and the fall-out that would come with that.

Can't say if R112 is a right-winger, pro-Miss Lindsey-McTurtle, troll type, but he is correct about MSNBC's over-sensationalism of certain stories, targeting emotions moreso than pressing Congress to act.

Having Chuck Todd anchor MTP daily is not the epitome of investigative journalism.

Most of our White House needs to be in prison, for obstruction. At least, I hope these people will be shunned.

Mean R545 referencing thread 112.

At this point, releasing the Apprentice tapes won't matter. It's not going to change anyone's mind. Those that hate him will continue to do so and those that support him will cheer.

‪How about a quickly produced HBO or Netflix or Amazon movie docudrama depicting the Mueller investigative process and frustration? Not just reading the report but showing the context.‬ A lot of points could be made with more mass appeal if some well known actors were involved.

The criminals have taken over the courtroom. trump and his brazen repuke allies are flaunting their blatant misdeeds while being propped up by stupid hate filled deplorables. To what end? To restore a feudal system where the rich take all and the rest live as peasants?

Good people have never looked so weak while the bad people lie and cheat with impunity. It's disgusting.

Republicans just outlie, Democrats. A juicy, made up lie is easy, the truth is hard. Nazis were evil, Republicans are evil. Evil wins for awhile but eventually, true Americans will take over.

[quote]Good people have never looked so weak while the bad people lie and cheat with impunity. It's disgusting.

Democrats are the nerdy kids who let the Republican bullies steal their lunch money and kick sand in their faces because they're too scared to fight back.

McConnell refuses to bring security bills to the Senate floor to help combat election interference by foreign entities.

It is simple. He wants the cheating to win. Treasonous, crooked, same ole.

The Hill:

Senate Intel finds 'extensive' Russian election interference going back to 2014

CNN:

2020 election security: GOP senators block bills hours after Mueller warns of Russian interference

AP:

House Dems back subpoenas for Ivanka, Jared private emails

r556, Same as it ever was.

here's an interesting chart showing media bias.

Meet the man who created the fake presidential seal.

Moscow Mitch is blatantly trying to undermine the election process.

The paywall has shut it down!

Yes.....

Yes.....

Hope lies

Lock her up!

No, lock THEM up! He's colored and she eats Satanic baby cookies!

No, lock THEM up! He's colored and she eats Satanic baby cookies!

We all love her....except a bunch of mean ole Democrats.

We all love her....except a bunch of mean ole Democrats.

Moscow Mitch

Moscow Mitch

I love it that Moscow Mitch is trending.

So nothing from the Sunday shows? I can't believe it's this quiet...

I mean, the bulk of people may not be aware DL is up and running again.

Ive also been wondering if this thread has gone to subscription only.

Chris Wallace: "Infested. It sounds like vermin. It sounds subhuman and these are all six members of Congress who are people of color."

Mulvaney says he's "spending too much time reading between the lines."

Wallace: "I'm not reading between the lines. I'm reading the lines."

AP:

AP FACT CHECK: Mueller's words twisted by Trump and more

Julián Castro on Trump's attacks: "I absolutely think it's important for us to call it out for what it is, which is racism ... This guy is the biggest identity politician that we have seen in the last 50 years and he engages in what's known as racial priming."

Nadler: "I think it was very important that [Mueller] testified ... He broke the lie that the president and the attorney general have been saying to the American people."

We're still at "fact checks", "falsehoods", and "false claims".

Jerry Nadler on Trump's attacks on Elijah Cummings: "The president is as he usually is or often is, disgusting and racist. He makes these charges with no base at all. And they are designed to distract attention from the very serious allegations about his conduct."

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out:

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R581 Okay, so even FOX hosts are pushing back. GOOD. Maybe the casual supporters will catch on soon that their savior is nothing but a racist, misogynistic asshole.

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