Yet another article about Incels

Inshelsh.

It won't help them.

There are billions of unattractive people who have sex and are in relationships worldwide because they don't give off the faint aura they are serial killers.

It is society and their families who failed to socialize them. Now they think they can buy it. It is just like all the douches who spend their whole loves trying to be buff. Then they get buff and discover they are still unfuckable losers.

They all think it's about looks or money. But that Elliott Rodger, for example, was cute in a way young girls like and he drove a BMV. The truth is that these weird dudes repel women with their personalities.

R4, So true. Who'd want to be with a deeply angry, bad mannered jerk who expects his date to look like a 10?

Check this incel in the comments section [quote]University women not considering dating men who are socioeconomically below should be considered a problem too. If society is really for equality, we should not tolerate this type of discrimination against lower status men. Women, if not voluntarily, need to be forced to give love and sex to all types of men. Some ideas are quotas, affirmative action, same opportunities for men... Seems extreme but this is how the monogamous system was crated in the past for the sake of social stability. Hypergamy is bad in the same way the violent impulses of men are. Both need to be controlled for healthy social living.

I think it is all about status. Thanks to billionaires like the Kardashians, they have elevated every bimbo whore trash to think they also can be billionaires. There are a few high status males who have high paying jobs, groom well, drive nice cars, wear fancy suits and clothes. Arguably most girls want this high status male and laugh at all the low status males working shit jobs, with no education, taking the bus, cannot afford a nice apartment, living in the ghetto part of town....and on and on. To me it has to be more about status to explain why these "Incels" cannot get laid to save their life. And speaking of status, of course these Incels also want a high status female! Not some fat, pock marked, trailer trash with a bad dye job working at Walmart.

IF its about sex: crack whores are cheap. Its about power

I think that it's more that women can sense a violent angry guy a mile away and wouldn't go there no matter if he was hot.

Incels apply to both males and females. After a certain age, maybe 50-55, it seems women just stop having sex if they haven't found a mate. They then become old maids or hausfraus. I don't think females are much better off than these loser males. The difference is females accept their celibacy and move on to other shit whereas males never quit their quest for pussy.

[quote]The difference is females accept their celibacy and move on to other shit whereas males never quit their quest for pussy.

That's because women never had that much to give up in the first place.

Sex actually matters to men, so they're going to do whatever they can to get it.

R11 you chauvinist piece of crap, bullshit. Women are just as sexually active as men. Don't push your women are maidens waiting to be plucked BS. That is not fucking true. Women will go after a hot, high status male 100 times more than men going after high status females. I have seen it 100s of times. When women forcefully assert themselves it is still ok for them to do it.

[quote]Arguably most girls want this high status male and laugh at all the low status males working shit jobs, with no education, taking the bus, cannot afford a nice apartment, living in the ghetto part of town....and on and on.

Eh r7? No one's laughing at hardworking poor men. Your argument is belied by the article. The incel complained that he wanted to spend his life on a tropical island fucking blonde European models. He also supervised an attractive woman at work. Did he try and make friends so she likes him and maybe introduce him to her hot friends? No, he became ENRAGED. "An 8/10 girl works for me since today. I’m going to dominate the hell out of her. Trust me, I’m going to kill her confidence.”

Uneducated men working blue collar jobs in the ghetto get laid all the time, only they don't spend their lives feeling sorry for themselves on Mens Rights Activist blogs; instead they take the occasional shower and put themselves out there just like gay men who want to get laid have to.

[quote]you chauvinist piece of crap, bullshit.

So [italic]there[/italic] you are, angry man-hating lez. I knew you were hiding in this thread somewhere.

R14 fuck you cunt, gay man who knows more people than you, you fucking piece of crap.

I've met you before, r12. You love to rage against incels, both real and imagined.

Nope. R15 is a mean, aaaaaaannnnngry dyke. HATES men. Off her meds.

R17 I will stick my boot deep in your cunt. Anytime bitch. :-)

R16 unlikely, cunt. I doubt you have the social skills to talk to anyone.

People talk big online, let's see them fight in real life. LOL. Most gay men IRL if you tap them they will fall over and die.

[quote]I doubt you have the social skills to talk to anyone.

Well, you and I seem to be clicking along in the dialogue department, Rage-ina Lezbiana, so I guess that scuttles your silly theory.

[quote]I will stick my boot deep in your cunt.

Well, you're the one with the boots, and you're the one with the cunt. So I guess that proves my point that you're a rageaholic lez with a penchant for attacking men.

R21 LOL. No need to attack a little bitch like you, cunt. That is like beating up a 4 year old girl. What is the point?

Yeah, right. Is "shrill, man-hating lesbian with rage issues" is one of your multiple personalities, or is this pretty much a full-time thing for you?

[quote]Truth4lie’s preferred Chad was a common incel favorite: David Gandy, the face of Dolce & Gabbana’s Light Blue cologne ads, in which the British model has a bronzed six-pack, a plump Speedo, and crystal-blue eyes. (That Stefano Gabbana and Domenico Dolce are gay designers best known for an aesthetic of homoerotic high camp was an irony most incels missed.)

LOL

R4, I totally agree. Instead of bitching and moaning online, these twits could be getting therapy to work on their issues.

But that would be taking responsibility, and we can’t have that! It must be the rest of the world that’s fucked up.

So basically, on the left, we have incel Squidward and on the right, we have chad Squidward.

R24, So ironic.

What do you think of the 2 models' pictures posted next to David Gandy? Speaking of Jordan Barrett, and Lucky Blue Smith.

[quote]I think that it's more that women can sense a violent angry guy a mile away and wouldn't go there no matter if he was hot.

Yeah, the reason women give these guys a wide berth isn't because they're ugly or working blue-collar jobs. It's because the women are picking up on their mental 'wrongness' like an animal catching a predator's scent. They can feel the underlying danger vibe and they're protecting themselves. Plenty of ugly guys have women running out of their ears - but those guys actually talk to women, make them laugh, even -gasp!- listen to women. They don't hate women like these guys do.

Here here R4! The only thing that wasn't cute about him visually were his eyes. He has big eye little eye but I could see how white girls would find him cute (he had that 1980s asshole look). ---but don't act like incels don't gravitate here. There's a lot of threads about awful mother's but not about awful dad's, plus haven't you ever noticed the excessive yet bitter "Frau" threads? Not threads like the funny Laura Doyle one (she IS cradling a mug). This thread shows how incels operate, attack those who aren't in line with their beliefs and try to keep those going off topic TO STAY ON THEIR HATEFUL POINT of topic. The constant accusations that R so and so is a "Frau" because they challenged the incel. Also look how the immediately attack...look at the time stamp. They have nothing going on but to sit there for hours and spread misery. They, oddly feel at home here because a lot of gay men have issues with hetero women. I'm sure for many it's valid issues but if there's anger and nastiness behind it and many respond affirming that...incel infestation. Here's the thread letting you know their pattern of behavior:

R29, by "this thread" I meant the one I linked to and not the Laura Doyle thread. Also to clarify I'm not saying that no one on DL hasn't had awful mother's (mine is criminally insane, not being funny). I'm talking about when it's excessive threads about bad mother's and little to no threads about awful dad's.

[quote]don't act like incels don't gravitate here.

Honey, straight men don't spend time on DL.

This is wishful fiction on your part.

R31, incels DO get to s of support on here. The smart incels eventually become trans, then they can harass women w impunity.

Oh, good lord.

Just stop.

'incel' as a term has now lost all meaning givin it's overuse by hystrionic middle class millenial women to attack any man the deem 'less' than or unworthy of them. And given their astronomical entitlement that is pretty much 80-90% of the male population.

I'm with the 'incels' (not some of the more demented ones mind), but I've read their stuff and in large part they're right about a lot of the behaviours in modern women. Not the women's fault either mind you, I don't blame them for wanting the best (or hypergamy as the incels say) they can get, it's just what they think they can get and what their actual worth is has been badly distorted by 3rd wave feminism.

This is having an adverse effect on both sexes, but anyone can see it comes down harder on the young men than the women.

Anyway, to all the angry, 2nd wave, man hating lesbians that clog up this forum for whatever reason f&f away ladies, this is my opinion from my own observations.

R34 types with Cheeto stained fingers

I like you trolls better when you're more subtle.

I just can’t even be bothered to muster any empathy for these morons.

Not everyone who expresses a viewpoint different from yours is a troll, r36.

R34 isn't exactly wrong, especially about the angry, 2nd wave, man hating lesbians that clog up this forum.

Lol at R34, pathetic.

I hope somewhere that Straight men are as "supportive" of Gay men who have gone crazy through not getting any tail as the misogynistic twat on this thread is of Straight men who can't get any pum pum.

He's not pathetic, he's honest. And the ladies don't like it because his views are inconvenient to them.

r40 has used the term 'my gays' before

R40 there are no misogynists in this thread, just guys whose views you don't like.

By contrast, I don't see you going after the extremely hostile misandrist(s) in this thread, so it looks to me like you tipped your hand.

The Republican Party is full of these guys. Women as equals and partners is scary for them.

The surgeon in this article, Barry Eppley, had a horrible reputation for years. He was responsible for the neck lift that left a patient in agony that led to suicide. She is mentioned here, but not by name. Her name was Lucille - and she used to post on the old plastic surgery boards & other sites to try to figure out what was going on with the neuromuscular damage Eppley inflicted. We all saw her CT scans and MRIs. She posted *everything* - and she was 100% transparent. She had many videos too. They were very sad. In the end, she killed herself since she couldn't take it any more with the endless failed attempts to help her, barely being able to breathe & needing to prop her head up with a cane because Eppley fucked up the muscles and nerves in the neck. Yes, she lost her case against him because 90% of plastic surgery malpractice loses since the jury sees it as elective and judges plastic surgery patients harshly...given that they "elected" to risk those complications (which are real complication risks in a neck lift)

So, now Eppley is removing ribs that protect vital organs and operating on "incels" with body dysmorphia who think they're entitled to a harem of women on a desert island? Hmm... Lucille, dear, you unfortunately were ahead of your time, in the worst possible way.

That all being said, plastic surgery is something I wholeheartedly approve of (I just admitted to reading plastic surgery forums 20 years ago, so you can do the math on that). However, these people, I would think, have about 80% of the problem in their heads, likely stemming from how they were raised (developing a highly entitled mentality from overprotection - this was the going theory - these people aren't new). Notice I am being much more precise about their issue than the blanket "dysmorphia" label. In dozens of discussions on the topic, I simply think people go too far with the imprecise body dysmorphia label that Katharine Phillips (PhD) pushed for fame and fortune with her books right when plastic surgery was going mainstream & doctors needed something to blame their unhappy patients on (many of whom they legitimately botched). Phillips' goal by selling thousands of books on the topic wasn't solely to help people, let's just be clear on that. Her research methods are sloppy (others failed to replicate her work in a few occasions) and her definitions are imprecise.

As for me - I did not like my appearance around the horrible braces & acne years. Once all that went away, I was somewhat damaged from the 2-3 years of looking so bad. But still, I realistically had things I could improve about my face. I did some research into plastic surgeons for years on and off - while I was earning money in my first job after college. Finally, I had enough money to afford what I wanted. Everything came out well & it did make a difference in how other people treated me. This actually had the odd side effect of making me cynical toward people & their superficiality, which is a sentiment shared by a few other people I've spoken with who have had a lot of work done (way more than I did). Now, it is almost 20 years later and my aging basically eclipsed the the work I had done (and 20 year old nose jobs sometimes look a little weird, thanks to scar tissue aging over time). At this point, I'd need more surgery - and much more drastic / expensive surgery if I wanted to make a sad attempt at recapturing those years. I do not intend to pursue that, though every time I realize I am completely invisible in some gay environment, I have to admit - it crosses my mind. I was invisible before the work and now that I'm a lot older... so am I still the crazy one for thinking plastic surgery would benefit me? It clearly did... no personality required. (You know those vapid instagays with perfect faces and bodies have no personalities, right? And they're huge bitchy cunts if they do talk to you.... yet people fawn all over them.)

In conclusion - I think some of these incel people are fucking insane, but I also think there's a wide range of people out there for whom plastic surgery will improve their lives (within reason - I think they also have unreasonable expectations). The Incels give men who seek plastic surgery a bad name. In fact, there was a journal article one published by a doctor (who refuses male rhinoplasty patients) that "50% of men seeking rhinoplasty have body dysmorphia" based on a survey he gave out in his office. Again, all that "research" proves to me is that label is imprecise & misapplied (aka applied often when it is convenient for a doctor). A lot of these incels are dealing with severe social anxiety, rejection sensitivity, and introversion. The body dysmorphia and anger is a front for the anxiety that they don't want to deal with, along with other issues. Anger is the easiest emotion to feel for men, who bury any kind of shame or vulnerability.

Sorry for the dissertation... I exceeded DL's limit... but it's a topic I've heard about / debated for a long long time. Not this incel shit - but the BDD thing, among other topics above.

R9 how would you explain Ted Bundy then? Even AFTER it came out that he liked to abduct, rape, torture and murder young women (and return afterwards to perform necrophilia with their headless corpses), he still had young females fawning over him.

Even today there's Pinterest and Tumblr accounts dedicated to him.

Yeah the "vibe" thing is bullshit. Unless you are talking about confidence. Women love the confidence Ted Bundy had. Nobody true sexual predator (who is good at what they do) has invisible rays emanating from them which tell women that they're about to be killed and raped.

It explains a lot on gay bashing. Incels hate gay men for either a. being beautiful or b. have a subculture just for them, (bears, leather, fems, drag).

Some of these inches are actually very attractive, but their social skills are off. Some of them aren't as attractive, but they still expect to date "10s". Because of that, they miss out on lots of opportunities to date great women and fall in love with them.

It's true that a lot of women won't consider dating a nice, funny, smart, attractive man if he doesn't make enough money. And it's also true a lot of men won't consider dating nice, funny, smart women if they don't consider them attractive enough. That's why our society has so many couples that look like The Trumps: younger prettier women with rich old, fat, bald, ugly slobs with ZERO warmth or charm. I would have thought this trend would have died off as women have more social and financial opportunity over the past few generations, but it's still going on strong.

“An 8/10 girl works for me since today. I’m going to dominate the hell out of her. Trust me, I’m going to kill her confidence.”

What a fucked up piece of shit.

People on this thread need to read Gavin De Becker's book The Gift of Fear.

Some people do set off our alarms. Obviously there are women who have their own issues and the alarm doesn't go off (think the Ted Bundy freaks). But others do get a bad feeling when they encounter these guys, and they're not wrong to fear them. These dudes literally believe that the women of their choice should be forced to have sex with them, or they don't have the right to exist. That quote about men being afraid that women will laugh at them, but women are afraid that men will kill them was made for the incels.

I’m sorry but I have as much empathy for the plastic surgery freaks as I do these incel lunatics

Clinicians and law enforcement have about as much success spotting psychopaths as the average schlub. which is to say not much. Prison psychologists are routinely duped by low-level psychopaths, so imagine the damage a high-functioning charmer can do at liberty in the world.

r54 is correct. However, some women don't want to concede this fact because it will make them feel more vulnerable. So, they uphold the belief that their intuition and "sensing of bad vibes" will keep them safe. Ok. Well, tell that to the 1000s of sexually assaulted girls and women around the world. Must be their fault they couldn't "sense" the monsters around them. It's all very Oprah and very stupid. Socially awkward, unattractive, low-confidence men will give you "bad vibes" - but those are likely not going to be the rapists at all.

[quote]r34 And given their astronomical entitlement

It's eyebrow-raising when men consider women to be entitled.

I support feminism, etc. but I think these guys are a result of a lot of social changes in a very short time.

Most guys could expect to land wives with reasonably little effort. Now they need to exert more effort, because women's standards, generally speaking, are higher.

A lot of the so called incels seem like they aren't especially ugly, but as someone said on Twitter last night, they likely didn't get trained well in the basics. A little Queer Eye type influence from someone that could suggest flattering hair styles, clothing etc for them as they are now would be a help. Trimming eyebrows, etc. All the kind of stuff that even the most bro-ish dudes are learning these days.

I don't support the incel types who get very Men's Right/alt right, but I sort of feel a tiny bit sad for some of these guys.

Alas, personality disorders are not amenable to makeovers. Give these guys Accutane and Armani and they would still repel people.

r56 Men (in particular young men today) take what they can get and settle for far less than their worth in life generally, especially since the world now seems poised against them.

Women expect the earth and are socialized to expect it from childhood while putting no effort of their own in. Millenial 3rd wavers turn that entitlement up 100 fold and this is where we are now with straight men realising the odds stacked against them and opting out the rigged game.

Sluthate is less extreme than Lookism. I am ashamed that I know this.

[quote]especially about the angry, 2nd wave, man hating lesbians that clog up this forum.

You bitches drove away most of our lesbians a long time ago.

You know that's not true. Look no further than upthread for proof.

r57, you're thinking of geeks. Geeks can be helped. These guys are completely different. They are just extremely negative people who blame everyone else for their problems. I have a cousin like this. He is in shape and bathes regularly, but his personality sucks and so he can't attact normal women.

[quote]For other incels, the anger they held on to even after their cosmetic surgery suggests their motivation may be something closer to what feminist writer Jessica Valenti has described: “Incels are not a community of sad men that reflect a societal problem with loneliness. They’re a community of violent misogynists that reflect a societal problem with sexism and sexual entitlement.”

This.

I would say that their patron saint might be Stern. There is no denying that Howard's show spent several years rating the looks of women and making strippers and porn stars mainstream through his show. Once he went to satellite radio things really got wild. Stern is a guy who was an incel (even though he got married it shows in he mentality) and got his revenge through his show.

So how many of these guys are extremely repressed closet cases who can't admit what they really want to themselves, and who turn to misogyny and blaming women for their plight because of their massive mommy issues? I mean, some of them come here! Where every other thread is filled with naked hung men and discussion of gay porn stars! But noooooo, they're not gaaaay, they're just here to complain about women!

I'm guessing between 25% and 50%. Of all incels, not incel Datalounge visitors.

Video games and porn and the general lack of basic socialization have doomed the incel. One thing a girl's boyfriend must have is the acceptance of her circle of chatty friends. And at least one of the circle can spot a loser a mile away, so he becomes an unacceptable candidate.

And from what I see it's the general basement-type nerd who's online all day with the above-mentioned

No r57 I think, as some have pointed out, that it really isn't their looks that hurt them, it's the shitty vibe they give off. I work a blue collar job and you should see what some of these straight guys look like who are married with kids. They got someone to fuck them. But the incels don't want just anyone, they want hot women. The fault is theirs, they can pay for a dinner and get laid like the rest of the hetero guys do.

[quote] So how many of these guys are extremely repressed closet cases who can't admit what they really want to themselves, and who turn to misogyny and blaming women for their plight because of their massive mommy issues? I mean, some of them come here! Where every other thread is filled with naked hung men and discussion of gay porn stars! But noooooo, they're not gaaaay, they're just here to complain about women!

Exactly. This is why I don't believe there are any real straight men who would come to this site. A quick scroll of some of the threads here with nude men and pron gifs and even the most open minded straight man would go running in the other direction. Every "straight" man here is a closet case.

"A lot of the so called incels seem like they aren't especially ugly, but as someone said on Twitter last night, they likely didn't get trained well in the basics. A little Queer Eye type influence from someone..."

And that's one of the problems with the existence of an Incel "community", the fact that they prevent each other from taking the simple steps necessary to improve their appeal and get rid of that loser aura. Quite a lot of them would be able to find a woman if they learned to bathe and wear decent clothes, if they spent a little time at the gym instead of the game console, and if they spent enough time around sane people to develop basic conversational skills. But their fellow incels tell them that they're hideously ugly and women just want looks, that they should be full of rage and entitlement, and call anyone who is nice to a woman a "beta male".

So yes, some of them are batshit crazy or not neurotypical, and some are just awkward guys who could be perfectly normal with a little effort. But the effort will never happen, as long as they pay any attention to their incel "pals".

R65 - Have you read sluthate or looksism? Compare / contrast it with DL. They are not even closely similar in any way. A lot of those people are also very homophobic. You seriously have no idea what you are talking about, yet you keep posting this over and over again.

[quote]r57 these guys are a result of a lot of social changes in a very short time. Most guys could expect to land wives with reasonably little effort. Now they need to exert more effort, because women's standards, generally speaking, are higher.

So, they suddenly have to put forth some effort, and they're shaken to their bones?

It's all so [italic]unfair!

r71 Compare that to women who only need exist to coast through life.

r70 the most homophobic are often that way because they are afraid of their own latent homosexual feelings. The violence they express outward helps keep a lid on the sexual impulse.

r69 the gym cult is just as toxic as the gamer cult. I find men at both ends of the spectrum to be as repellent as the other... the so called 'ideal man' and the outcast man.

[quote]r63 I have a cousin like this. He is in shape and bathes regularly, but his personality sucks and so he can't attact normal women.

This sounds like someone who never related to women, from Day 1. If I were a parent, I would engineer my son cultivating female friendships early in life. Like, immediately. It would help bypass so many problems later on if they did not see females as "the other".

The only good thing that came out of other boys rejecting me as a child because I was gay was having a lot of female friends. It really expanded my view of everything, and has doubled the number of friendships I can have now.

I really love my female friends and relatives. It doesn't sound like the incels love women at all. Which is really too bad, as they're sexually attracted to them.

Good luck with that!

I hope you are joking r72. Are you log cabin Republican by any chance?

If not I'd love some examples of how women coast through life. Are many women you know like that?

A tangential thought: Incels and Autism, first or second cousins or just different expressions of the same spectrum?

[quote]r72 Compare that to women who only need exist to coast through life.

Yes, because each of them knows they can be President some day.

Oh, wait...

Definitely related r77

[quote]I hope you are joking

oh no..... have I commited wrong think?! I'll be sure to self flagellate and correct my subversive self

There are plenty of misogynists who hide behind an attractive affable mask, but incels can’t even be bothered to learn basic social skills. I recall an interview with a member of an online incel community and the guy’s behavior was deeply weird. He seemed to live a very isolated existence and appeared to have scant knowledge of how to conduct himself around a female human being (in this instance the journalist whose unenviable task it was to interview him and his fellow incels, one of whom decided it would be a good idea to defecate while he was being filmed on a webcam).

What is amazing is that you can look at human history and go long periods of time before you find the name of any women who has any power or influence in society. Once you find that first name you will go a long time before you find another.

All over the world thousands of years of history nothing about women being in power appears in history's annals yet a bunch of pathetic guys who can't get laid by the most attractive females suddenly declare that women have all the advantages.

Roe v Wade is one advantage they won't have soon.

Still waiting for those examples r72 r80

r82 I'd say that reflects far worse on the nature of women rather than men....

Incels/misogynisits/religious conservatives/etc. want to block women from working and earning their own money, period. So that women will be economically coerced into marrying men they otherwise wouldn't. That's one way to "redistribute" women for men's mating needs.

Blocking women from getting their own resources is how they've done it for the last several thousand years at least. It's what feminists originally fought against and are still fighting against.

That's why incels and lets face it, many "normal" men, hate feminists. Most men want to compete FOR women as a resource, not compete WITH women for resources in general.

Normal men tolerate it, the most enlightened ones accept it, but deep down they all pretty much don't like it and would much prefer women to be dependent and at their mercy like in the past.

Incels are just the deepest, ugliest, most extreme manifestation of this view.

[quote] And that's one of the problems with the existence of an Incel "community", the fact that they prevent each other from taking the simple steps necessary to improve their appeal and get rid of that loser aura

Yeah, I think the main difference is that they love to wallow in that feeling of victimization.

Why wouldn't they? They can blame others for their failings.

[quote] And that's one of the problems with the existence of an Incel "community", the fact that they prevent each other from taking the simple steps necessary to improve their appeal and get rid of that loser aura

Crab mentality

I had blocked the two trolls posting on this thread earlier. The other one had anti-Hillary posts and the other had posted ten posts about how totally forgettable the movie The Craft and its black star Rachel True were (I'd blocked him earlier than that, though).

[quote] It explains a lot on gay bashing. Incels hate gay men for either a. being beautiful or b. have a subculture just for them,

I'm not an expert but aren't incels mostly loners in real life? Gay bashings are many times done by groups of drunk men. Incels seem to be more of the lone wolf type who suddenly go off and commit a mass murder.

Incels don't leave the house. The article even talks about how terrified that guy was to fly to Indiana because people in the airport would think he was ugly. And he found the distance from the car to the office door to be extremely far as well. Granted, he's European but most of them are similar. Some have to go to school, though that's the most interaction they have.

These guys are think they should attract sweet, successful, nines or tens with scant numbers of previous sexual partners, while bringing things like the following, to the table: miserable and hateful attitudes, untreated mental illnesses, thinking all women are whores, and poor social skills. No person who has options, even the option of being alone, wants to partner with a loser like that.

We all know straight guys who are poor, fat and ugly who end up with nice women. They don't have ^those issues, though. That's why the straight 'lesser' guys aren't alone, whereas the Incels, are. Plastic surgery won't help what ails them.

Women who are attracted to or express interest in trash like Ted Bundy are few and far between and obviously don't have all of their oars in the water. They're most likely to have a sun porch stacked full of decomposing cats and probably save their used tampons in old handbags. But, sure. Let's point them out as examples of 'normal' ladies.

[quote] These guys are think they should attract sweet, successful, nines or tens with scant numbers of previous sexual partners, while bringing things like the following, to the table: miserable and hateful attitudes, untreated mental illnesses, thinking all women are whores, and poor social skills. No person who has options, even the option of being alone, wants to partner with a loser like that.

They expect all women to look like genetically modified prostitutes AND have a PhD.

And they somehow think these women should fall for them, even though they have little to no sexual experience and would probably last all of 30 seconds inside an actual vagina.

If incels hate gays it’s because gay men, being men, can get no-strings-attached sex whenever they want.

Why are eldergays so obsessed with this group?

Age they seen as easy prey for those desperate and thirsty for cock?

[quote]Normal men tolerate it, the most enlightened ones accept it, but deep down they all pretty much don't like it and would much prefer women to be dependent and at their mercy like in the past.

I work in entertainment (crew) I've met a lot of guys that would love to stop working if their wives made enough money to do so. Maybe that is because we are working physical jobs and they are feeling worn out but many still say it. At this point in time I think there are more men getting smarter realizing, somewhat like these incels, that having all the responsibility and stress sucks. But unlike the incels they are ready to sit back and relax and give women the power. Let them make the money, let them figure shit out. These are smart guys who like women.

Do incels want better jobs for women and better pay so that women can finally get off their asses and take up the slack? Or do they want women powerless, financially dependent and submissive? Cause if they aren't promoting opportunities for women, so women will stop being so privileged and lazy (according to them) then they need to face the fact their community is a joke.

[quote]Women who are attracted to or express interest in trash like Ted Bundy are few and far between and obviously don't have all of their oars in the water. They're most likely to have a sun porch stacked full of decomposing cats and probably save their used tampons in old handbags. But, sure. Let's point them out as examples of 'normal' ladies.

To clarify...are you then blaming the victims for failing to avoid Ted Bundy? We're not talking about the girls in the court gallery... but the people who were attracted to him in social environments and didn't get any signs.

Neither, R77, but there is probably some overlap. I believe most incels are mentally ill, whereas autism is a developmental disorder. That's not to say that mental illness can't develop.

[quote] No [R57] I think, as some have pointed out, that it really isn't their looks that hurt them, it's the shitty vibe they give off.

Absolutely. Yes, looks matter in our society, but they're not the ONLY thing that matter. These plastic-surgery-obsessed incels will ultimately learn that no matter how expensive and "Chad" like their new faces are, they still aren't going to get anywhere with women because they're too weird and angry and fucked up, and because they have no spent time interacting face-to face-with other humans and developing useful social skills and normal interests. And then, unfortunately, they are probably going to be even angrier and more dangerous than they were before.

[quote] Why are eldergays so obsessed with this group?

I think gay men are fascinated with this group. I've heard younger gay men talk at length about them, but for them they think it's all appearance based. They can't understand why the guys wouldn't hyst change their looks. They don't understand or perceive the psychological aspects.

I think for older gay men it's interesting to see men act in relation to women in almost exactly the same way that a lot of gay men in mainstream gay culture have acted over the years. For those of us who came out and were club kids in the late 80s or 90s, we can relate to being in communities where pretty much all the gay men in town chased 3 or 4 "A gays" who were perceived as the cream of the crop. Everyone ran after the guys that looked like porn stars. Everything was "how can I change myself to be noticed?" The parallels are strong.

That’s both scary and explains the DL

[quote] Incels apply to both males and females. After a certain age, maybe 50-55, it seems women just stop having sex if they haven't found a mate. They then become old maids or hausfraus.

While it's true that it's harder for single women to find dates and sex after age 50 or so, those women are not incels because they haven't formed an angry, misandrist community around their lack of sex, and don't feel that men deserve to be punished or even killed for not wanting them.

Sure they have... they are called lesbians, Rose

R95, I was only talking about the current crop of women who have expressed desire for Bundy, knowing what a violent psychopath he was. Not his victims. They are totally blameless. Sorry for the confusion!

r84 can you elaborate on that?

You think women just didn't try hard enough? For thousands of years right into the present?

[quote]And that's one of the problems with the existence of an Incel "community", the fact that they prevent each other from taking the simple steps necessary to improve their appeal and get rid of that loser aura.

YES. They spend all day in their misogynist echo chamber and just get angrier and creepier and then they have even less chance of gaining any social skills.

[quote] Sure they have... they are called lesbians, Rose

My post and the one I was responding to were clearly about straight women, numbnuts, not that your post about lesbians was accurate, original, or witty, anyway.

The projection of the women in this thread is incredible... it's the 'incels' who are entitled and expect a 10/10 to just fall into their lap?! Have any of you actually ever met a straight woman, the singularly most entitled, lazy, histrionic creature on this earth.

You might hate men, and use this 'incel' phenomenon or what ever it is to wallow further in that hatred, that's your business, but this drivel anout women being such angels when women are evreything you claim the 'incels' are ten fold.

Why do you lot even post here when you hate men so much? Every fucking thread with you cunts

Not one poster here has expressed hatred for men. in general. We just don't care for the subset of men who are incels. And, yes, they're whole deal is that they feel entitled to hot women and enraged that they can 't get them.

[quote] Have any of you actually ever met a straight woman, the singularly most entitled, lazy, histrionic creature on this earth.

I know hundreds of straight women and maybe two who fit your description.

^THEIR whole deal, duh.

[quote]While it's true that it's harder for single women to find dates and sex after age 50 or so, those women are not incels because they haven't formed an angry, misandrist community around their lack of sex, and don't feel that men deserve to be punished or even killed for not wanting them.

Really? you've never heard that repeated thing women whine that when they reach 35-40 they feel 'invisible', and that is a symptom of a 'misognistic' society. When really they're having to deal with what average straight men have to deal with all their lives. Their entitlement knows no bounds, straight men not wanting to form a relationship with a woman past child bearing age as nature drives them to do, how very dare they!

[quote]formed an angry, misandrist community around their lack of sex, and don't feel that men deserve to be punished or even killed for not wanting them.

...well you should hang out on r/GenderCritical for a while and read the whinging of the older straight women on their. There's a reason they earned the nick name 'Femcels'

"Incel", like "feminazi" and "alt-right" is just lazy journalese.

People are the same as they were ten years ago.

This whole 'incels' expect hot women, while straight women golly gee are just so humble they settle for what ever... was blown out of the water by that infamous '80 - 20 split' OK Cupid data that more or less proved what the incels had been arguing all along. What was the n number sample size on that? I think it was something like 120k.

That study was so corrosive to the feminist narrative OKC deleted it from from their website. It was napalm to the type of deluded what about the whamens twats infesting this thread.

[quote] Why do you lot even post here when you hate men so much?

That's funny coming from you. I thought you were "straight".

[quote] Really? you've never heard that repeated thing women whine that when they reach 35-40 they feel 'invisible', and that is a symptom of a 'misognistic' society.

Sure, I've heard some women make that complaint, but they're not spending their whole lives in reddit subforums bitching about it, or applauding some non-existent "supreme gentlewoman" for mass murdering dudes who rejected them. Normal woman and men will always have some complaints about the other gender, but incels are in a whole different category.

And, yes, women, just like men, have standards for whom they'll date but if they can find men who meet their standards, why exactly shouldn't they date those men? Whey are they supposed to settle for an incel-ish guy "just to be nice and protect his feelings? Would you advise a guy to dump his hot girlfriend for some angry fat chick, just to make her feel better about herself?

[quote]R109 you've never heard that repeated thing women whine that when they reach 35-40 they feel 'invisible', and that is a symptom of a 'misognistic' society.

Well, they don’t go out shooting up bars over it, or raping.

So there’s that.

If Donald Trump weren't rich, he'd be an incel. They're obsessed with "hot" women, whom they consider to be trophies. They won't settle, but they expect women to settle for them. Their obsession prevents them from dating nice girls who are plenty cute. They'd probably marry a woman they can't stand (if they like any women at all) as long as they think other men are jealous of them. A short older coworker once married a younger, beautiful, woman he'd known just 3 weeks. She moved in, spent his money, and frequently beat the crap out of him. But he was OK with that because she was "hot". After she left, he eventually "settled" for a sweet, charming, attractive (but not "hawt") woman who was the same age as him, and she adored him even though he was short and bald and old.

I think that the Isla Vista incel shooter, Elliott Rodger was a closeted gay man. He pinged from space, and everyone saw it except for him.

Well, straight women over 40 have a reason to whine. Most of the straight men aged 40 - 70 on the dating sites won't consider dating a woman over 40. It's as if they think they should be with someone young enough to be their daughter (or granddaughter), even if they have nothing in common with her and they might not even be physically able to perform sexually (which kind of makes dating a "hawt" woman a moot point, except to make other men jealous). And Hollywood perpetuates the attitude by casting "wives" and "girlfriends" who are 20 or 30 years younger than the leading man.

Some gay men are like this, too, I know.

Porn is the root cause.

r116 cry harder frau.

Straight men are genetically predisposed to not be attracted to woman past fertility, it's what keeps the species going. You lot take great joy in pointing out that it's the woman that do the pickng and straight men just have to sit and wait their turn (if it ever comes), if a woman hasnt got her shit sorted out and settled by 40 when they have had all the men at their beck and call then tough shit, boo hoo hoo.

Straight men are not interested in post menopausal women they can't have sex with or raise children with, why the fuck would they? Straight men suddenly have a slight upperhand post 40 and the women go mad and can't handle it after holding all the cards in the mating game for so long, boo fucking hoo.

[quote]Some gay men are like this, too, I know.

I would bet you know zero gay men irl mein fett fraulein.

Incels are what happens when a society gets rid of mental institutions.

R118 sounds like an incel.

I wonder why r118 can’t get laid. 🙄

To use your argument, Incel R118, straight women are genetically predisposed to chose a mate that earns more, would be a better father to her young and would would produce physically and emotionally healthier offspring. Those attributes aren't going to be found in incel-ish guys.

If youre going to argue "genetically predisposed", you gotta go for it fairly. Or not, I guess. You do you, brother.

[quote]And, yes, women, just like men, have standards for whom they'll date but if they can find men who meet their standards, why exactly shouldn't they date those men? Whey are they supposed to settle for an incel-ish guy

No one has a problem with that, the problem is that for various reasons women now massively over estimate their attractiveness and massively underestimate men's. See the OKCupid study with them rating 80% of men as below average (ie 4/10 or below), while themselves 2 points above on average.

Now we have a whole generation of entitled, deluded women, angry, intransigent, sold a lie about how hard they have it and how special they are, and this is the result. They have no impetus to imrove themselves as by simply existing as women is good enough. Turning down perfectly suitible men of comparible attractiveness because their told they deserve more, willing to wait for a man out of their league that will never come. Leaving a whole generatin of young straight men on the shelf, these 'incels' have every right to be angry.

Of course the angry lesbians of DL find all this hillarious given their sociopathic hatred of the straight men who thye believe have 'wronged' women kind. Oblivious to the misery this situation has brought to both sexes, ofcourse they don't actually care about the yung straight women that will eventally end up with nothing just so they can hurt the 'incels'.

Men have a much longer biological clock ladies... Why are these entiltled, stuck up princesses being defended on DL I wonder?

[quote]"just to be nice and protect his feelings?

...yes if there's one thing modern women give a shit about it's others feeling much less the 'evil menz'.

r121 sounds old

A lot of the incels are shut-ins, for real. They have extreme anxiety and as much as they want surgery, they don't want medical help with their mental and emotional problems.

r123 But that is exactly how staright women operate, and certainly have done post sexual liberation in the west. WTF were you trying to argue that's not how women select a mate or something there?.. fucking hell.

I agree with upthread person that porn is involved -- these guys learn about sex from these preposterous scenarios in which women are desperate to have sex with men. Women are not desperate to have sex with men.

But another part of it is the social isolation so many younger guys are experiencing now, because they engage socially with screen time rather than face time.

The whole incel movement is an attempt to blame the world for that, rather than their own behavior. They're wrong, but not ridiculously wrong -- it is the environment they were steeped in, after all.

[quote] "Incel", like "feminazi" and "alt-right" is just lazy journalese. People are the same as they were ten years ago.

Sorry, no. Spoken like someone who hasn't really noticed the changes in the world in the Internet age.

Things like 4chan, etc. have changed the landscape, at least for young men. Men's rights online movements, too. Not to mention some of the white supremacist sites.

[quote] Straight men are not interested in post menopausal women they can't have sex with or raise children with, why the fuck would they?

Newsflash, women can have sex post-menopause; it's older men who have trouble in that area. As for raising children, why are men age 50+ still interested in using their deteriorating sperm to impregnate women with kids the men will be too old and tired to deal with?

I wasn't saying that many of them don't, R127. Just that it's why incel like guys aren't getting chosen by the females they feel entitled to, just as R118 was saying Incels were only wanting what they did, because of biology. They can whine all they want but the women they pine after wont chose them because, in America today, they arent forced to do do. They would rather be ALONE than with a loser.

And, make no mistake, an incel, unlike an average unmarried straight guy who is looking for a partner, is a LOSER.

*to do so

[quote]Newsflash, women can have sex post-menopause;

They physically can maybe, but do they want to on a regular basis? (or do the men want to..)

I always wondered that about men like Macron, I assume he's some kind of asexual as are men like him in relationshps with woman so much older than them. Macron's wife is 25 years older than him, when they married he was 29 she was 54. I assume he can count on one hand the number of times they've had sex.

[quote]They would rather be ALONE than with a loser.

Yes but the point is these men aren't really 'losers', the scales are so tipped in favour of the women that perfectly average men are deemed 'losers' and excluded from the dating pool. and by women that are really not all that themselves.

And then they are left to stew and some of them turn into this.

[quote]And, make no mistake, an incel, unlike an average unmarried straight guy who is looking for a partner, is a LOSER.

Any and all single men that aren't 9/10 attractive are now 'incels' the word just gets thrown about with out meaning.

[quote] Now we have a whole generation of entitled, deluded women, angry, intransigent, sold a lie about how hard they have it and how special they are, and this is the result.

We actually have no such thing.

[quote] Now we have a whole generation of entitled, deluded women, angry, intransigent, sold a lie about how hard they have it and how special they are, and this is the result. They have no impetus to imrove themselves as by simply existing as women is good enough. Turning down perfectly suitible men of comparible attractiveness because their told they deserve more, willing to wait for a man out of their league that will never come. Leaving a whole generatin of young straight men on the shelf, these 'incels' have every right to be angry.

Well, if what you were saying is true, all those women would be keeping themselves on the shelf, too, but actually you're full of shit. Have you never seen an attractive woman with a schlubby bf or husband? Happens all the time. As for the "right to be angry," everyone's got the right to reject potential mates who don't meet their standards (however ridiculous those might be) and no one, male or female, really has the right to be furious that someone would rather remain single or wait a long time for a better mate, than date them.

[quote]One thing a girl's boyfriend must have is the acceptance of her circle of chatty friends. And at least one of the circle can spot a loser a mile away, so he becomes an unacceptable candidate.

Yes this is definitly causing it, driven by 3rd wave feminism, no man is ever good enough, women always entitled to better and their friends will serve as echo chamber to push this. No man ever good enough they get excluded from the local dating pool and left to turn 'incel', or just check out completely and persue their own things (go MGTOW and they're still called incels and losers).

Disagree, R134.

Perhaps you aren't able to differentiate between the normal, straight single guy who is out there, dating around and looking for a partner, who has realistic expectations and no tendency towards rage or murderous feelings and the actual Incels, but I can. So can many on DL and so can many females.

The former are regular guys we know, work with and are friends with. The latter are true losers.

[quote] No man ever good enough they get excluded from the local dating pool and left to turn 'incel', or just check out completely and persue their own things (go MGTOW and they're still called incels and losers).

Well, either women are also excluding themselves from the dating pool or they are actually finding men who meet their standards, in which case, why date somebody they perceive as a loser?

R40, Wouldn't most gay men reject another whose social skills and manners are totally lacking yet expects to pair up with hotties like what he sees in the media? Truth being straight Incels are the opposite of charming but expect immediate sexual access without paying for it.

Incels also widely condemn White women for choosing Black men over them. Clueless Incels don't get that Black men won't constantly dis a woman for being a little full-figured & curvy. Nor do Black men constantly whine & complain about their lot in life, given that they've typically had far greater struggles to overcome than the average Incel. Notice how relatively few minorities are Incels.

Like how many Incels have had to deal with the horrors of military service? You don't find even disabled soldiers who are Incels. Why not?

[quote] I would bet you know zero gay men irl mein fett fraulein.

Gurl! He just called you a fat sow!

One of the attractions of a hot guy is that he carries himself with the confidence borne of a lifetime of others deferring to him. Guys who acquire their looks artificially will not have that same quality.

Why don’t men who feel passed over target women older than themselves? Men as a rule aren’t CRAZY about having kids, as so many women are, so you’d think the fertility thing shouldn’t be such an issue.

Curious how older men are being discussed as wanting to date women under 40 because of the fertility issue. Most older guys I know who are either divorced or widowed, the last thing they want is the expense of more kids. After divorce these straight guys take a while to get their money back on track if they ever do. From what I have over heard, most older guys want a young woman because it makes them feel younger. Women their own age just remind them of where they are in life.

[quote]Well, either women are also excluding themselves from the dating pool or they are actually finding men who meet their standards,

Women seem to be content to be alone, and 80% of the women are happy to share the top 20% of the men and leave the rest on the shelf. That is the kernel of the problem, men are disposable, as society constantly reminds them, their biological programming drives them, while women are content to wait for a mate or not find one at all. Feminists laud this trait yet fail to see how it plays out in reality, men are simply expected to suck it up and be alone for ever, and if they dare ever complain then they're branded incels and misogynists.

[quote]From what I have over heard, most older guys want a young woman because it makes them feel younger. Women their own age just remind them of where they are in life.

Men aren't allowed to have preferences, only the precious innocent women are, if men do then they're pigs.

R144 Others have stated that too, but yes, so true.

[quote] Women seem to be content to be alone

Which is their right, ffs. They don't need to partner up strictly for the benefit of men who don't want to be alone.

A good contrast to explain why females do not pair up with losers is by looking at lesbians. Probably 80% of lesbians tend to always be in relationships or are trying to launch one at any given time. That encapsulates how females like to be with somebody who is at their level and what better than another female? How do straight men measure up to other females?

I was around the incels at the beginning of the movement back in 2012-2013 long before Elliot Rodger. Giving these guys attention is a BAD IDEA. These guys really want the attention of the mainstream media. These articles are EASY to do and contribute nothing to understanding or combatting the movement. The journalists are part of the problem.

R68, There are 100% straight men reading DL. Like the straight women posters, they have the maturity to skip over threads that aren't of interest. However both are enlightened enough to not fear seeing that which isn't appealing, as the vast majority of intellectual discussions are extremely informative.

Since Incels are hateful towards the female gender and filled with endless, entitled rage towards 'Chads', 'Stacy's and everyone they feel has such an unfair advantage in life, why whould a woman with any sense of self preservation, self-esteem or thought of future (possible) children, force themselves to settle for them? What is in it for them? Companionship with a mouth-frothing, rage-a-holic who hates 80% of humanity?

Sounds totally not exhausting and repellant! However can a regular gal be passing these gems up? What bitches.

[quote]How do straight men measure up to other females? r148

Let's be honest even the most slovenly, greasiest, basement dwelling troglodyte incel is a picture of pleasantness, humour and good personal hygiene when compared to your average lesbian, it's not even close.

[quote]Black men won't constantly dis a woman for being a little full-figured & curvy. Nor do Black men constantly whine & complain about their lot in life

Is this supposed to be funny

R152 is that supposed to be humor? Get off the thread, you revolting cunt.

Submitted without comment.

[quote] why whould a woman with any sense of self preservation, self-esteem or thought of future (possible) children, force themselves to settle for them?

The incels' answer is that women only care about LMS (looks, money and status). Women don't care about nice guys-- in fact, being nice puts you at a disadvantage.

Best thread yet about Incels.

I tried to find it just now, but couldn't: there used to be this guy on Youtube who had a whole series of videos about being an incel, and he was undeniably hot--he had a great body and a nice face, and yet was going on in their weird jargon about how we was not an alpha and had to suffer through low self-esteem. It was so bizarre. I would have fucked him in a second.

r130

R159 why did you post that stupid crap exactly. As others have pointed out, both sexes are driven by biological drives. Men want young sexually available hotties. Women prefer emotionally mature men who have 'resources' or status. That is the way it has always been.

Arwa Mahdawi is not a columnist whose ideas I would put much trust in. She's an SJW always castigating men for everything.

r160 types old.

truth.

What the hell does that graph even mean, r163?

Get lost SJW cunt, no one cares about your bullshit ideas.

ARRRRRRHHHH!! You don't want this peeeeeennnnnniiiiiiiiisssss but this penis wants you!!

[quote] What the hell does that graph even mean, [R163]?

It means women find 60% of all men repulsive.

Only 60% that's quite generous.

r164 it means men rate women fairly while women rate men ridiculously, the actual breakdown off the data shows women's perceptions are completely off base with reality

[quote]It shows a spread of how attractive members of one group are considered to be by the other.

[quote]What the graph shows is that women generally rank men as being substantially below what they would consider "average" in attractiveness, while men rank women in a way that is more evenly distributed, i.e. some unattractive, some very attractive, most somewhere in the middle of the scale.

[quote]It shows that women's expectations of what the "average" is is apparently quite a bit higher than reality, because the alternative explanation would be that OKC is populated entirely by the least attractive men in society.

tl:dr; straight women are deluded entitled cunts on a path to misery. (but we all knew that already)

r164

[quote]“As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh. On the other hand, when it comes to actual messaging, women shift their expectations only just slightly ahead of the curve, which is a healthier pattern than guys’ pursuing the all-but-unattainable. But with the basic ratings so out-of-whack, the two curves together suggest some strange possibilities for the female thought process, the most salient of which is that the average-looking woman has convinced herself that the vast majority of males aren’t good enough for her

R169 You got all that from some stupid graph posted by a ghetto trash thug, you really are stupid. Good thing you will never breed.

r171 its from a famous OKCupid study you retard, see r170.

Probably 1% of the population posts on OkCupid, retard. Doesn't mean shit.

Why don't you fucking cunts want me?? WHY!!!!!!!! I NEED CUNT!

R172 unless you are a mechanic, don't comment on how an engine works. Unless you have been around thousands of females, you have no insight into any females. Retard.

For the sake of argument, so what if women's views of men are deluded? So what? They still don't want you. It doesn't make them wrong. It just makes them not interested in you. You can spin all the theories you want, post all the graphs you want, be angry as you want...they still don't want you.

They got a nasty needy cock in between their legs and a set of stinky balls secreting testosterone that is hormonally brainwashing them into wanting to fuck cunts.

If they castrate themselves, or take testosterone suppressing pills literally all their interest in women would vanish and they would be so much happier and women would be so much safer as well.

[quote]Best thread yet about Incels.

Really? Because the subtext is about misandry and angry, man-hating lesbians.

[quote]If they castrate themselves, or take testosterone suppressing pills literally all their interest in women would vanish and they would be so much happier and women would be so much safer as well.

No one cares, man hater.

r176 I have no dog in this fight, how ever your point seems to concede that the incel phenomenon is entirely the fault of women, which was the point I made way back at r34. Now the how and the why women got so far off track from reality is where the real productive discussion around incels lies.

Be careful r180, because the pro-castration dyke who's off her meds will not tolerate dissent in this thread.

r181 Just like evrey day on DL these days tbh, its frau/radfem central.

[quote]so what if women's views of men are deluded? So what? They still don't want you. It doesn't make them wrong.

Yes. It does.

Deluded = wrong.

[quote] It means women find 60% of all men repulsive.

No they think 60 of all men on OKCupid are repulsive. Ever looked at the straight guys who are active on that site? Limiting one's disgust to 60 percent is generous.

Besides, as r176 points put, so what if women don't rate men "fairly" (in men's perception)? Nobody is obligated to date someone who doesn't interest her (or him), just because others think s/he ought to be good enough. And, no, that doesn't mean women are to blame for incels. Do YOU feel the need to date people you're not interested in, just because it might make them feel angry and bad if you don't?

That was not my point at all, r180. The incel phenomenon is entirely the fault of the deluded losers that fill its ranks. Women aren't responsible for these men (or anyone else for that matter). Can you not understand why they want nothing to do with you guys?

What I don't get is why you all are so angry in this day and age. You have unlimited porn, dolls, fleshlights...It's not as if you don't have other outlets.

Believe me, men hate other men more violently and effectively than women hate them. The military spends trillions of dollars designing and maintaining man killing equipment. Machinery which sole purpose is to kill military aged males. If they accidentally kill women it's just collateral damage. My brother served in Iraq and killed over 20 Iraqi men and it makes him happy and he's proud of it. Most male soldiers join the military with hopes that someday they will be allowed to fight and kill other men.

In the old days there were mass cullings of useless surplus males every generation. And the world was better place because of it.

[quote]these days tbh, its frau/radfem central.

Well then drive the bitches off. It's just like at a gay bar, where they show up and won't leave, no matter how unwelcome they are.

[quote]In the old days there were mass cullings of useless surplus males every generation.

So, you'll be in that number for the next one?

Since there seem to be some incels in this thread, let me ask: Do you hate lesbians? After all, they are rejecting you, too. If not, is it because you are for lbgtq+ rights? If you are for lbgtq+ rights, i.e., the right to be with whomever, how do you square that with your incel rights? Shouldn't straight women get to choose who they want to be with? Face it, you're bigots and you need to get off this board.

[quote]It's true that a lot of women won't consider dating a nice, funny, smart, attractive man if he doesn't make enough money. And it's also true a lot of men won't consider dating nice, funny, smart women if they don't consider them attractive enough. That's why our society has so many couples that look like The Trumps: younger prettier women with rich old, fat, bald, ugly slobs with ZERO warmth or charm. I would have thought this trend would have died off as women have more social and financial opportunity over the past few generations, but it's still going on strong.

I know or have known women who have very classist views towards men who don't make a lot money. I worked at a law firm in college and there were two female lawyers on staff who frequently said shitty things about men who didn't make a lot of money or who didn't have college degrees. When we had plumbers, electricians, or other repair men in the office fixing things, those two lawyers would make fun of them in their offices or in our breakroom. Some of the senior partners would get pissed when they did shit like that and I remember a shouting match between one of the partners and one of the asshole female lawyers. He said whenever contractors or other third parties were in the office doing work for the firm, that they had to be treated with respect.

My sister had a friend who had the same attitude as the two lawyers. She would talk about how she and her husband met in their college engineering programs and how they were going to have a financially secure lifestyle. She and her husband moved to Michigan because he got an engineering job in the auto industry. He ended up losing his job and had trouble finding similar work. She filed for divorce and he committed suicide soon after that. Some people in my sister's friend circles cut ties with that friend because they said that during the guy's struggles to find a job, she was giving him a hard time for not getting another good paying job. I get that people want to date and/or marry people with certain careers or education backgrounds, but I still think it's shitty to cut down people who are working honest jobs.

r189 There are no hetero 'incels' here or anywhere else on DL.

[quote]Face it, you're bigots and you need to get off this board.

You first.

[quote] I get that people want to date and/or marry people with certain careers or education backgrounds, but I still think it's shitty to cut down people who are working honest jobs.

Yeah, but I don't think much you've written really applies to the problems of incels, most of whom sound as thought they would benefit greatly from getting up from their computers and into the world as plumbers or electricians or whatever. They still might not be able to attract successful female lawyers or doctors, but a nice woman in their own league? Perhaps.

Gaycels are sad little creatures.

R190 I think that's less about money than status. I'm a public defender, so know a lot of people that work in public interest law and there are a shocking number of people with those jobs that look down on people they view as lesser status, even though I know they don't make a lot of money because I don't make much money either.

r185 I like how you look at the situation where women have become so intransigent, entitled and deluded men have had to find other options, like say fucking an inanimate object, you however look at that situation and think "hmmm.. it's the men who are wrong".

Because the precious little wimins can never be in the wrong about anything can they? They have no flaws, no agency and are perpetual victims all the time no matter how much data and graphs tell you otherwise.

Guys expectations are warped by porn. Incels want women who are out of their league and would not show interest in a woman whose visual appeal is comparable to their own.

[quote] They still might not be able to attract successful female lawyers or doctors, but a nice woman in their own league? Perhaps.

But the women objectively in their 'league' already deluded themselves (or been convinced) that they are worth more and can do better so will not touch the plumber/electrician etc. That's the whole argument the incels are making, and to be honest it looks as though they're right.

r197 Except all the studies that have consistanly shown the literal opposite of that is true. It's the women with the unreasonable expectaions.

[quote]A lot of the so called incels seem like they aren't especially ugly, but as someone said on Twitter last night, they likely didn't get trained well in the basics. A little Queer Eye type influence from someone that could suggest flattering hair styles, clothing etc for them as they are now would be a help. Trimming eyebrows, etc. All the kind of stuff that even the most bro-ish dudes are learning these days.

It might be 20% their looks that may be off putting but it’s 80% their personalities. Look at that impel who wanted to dominate and destroy his cute co-worker for no reason. He also said his room was a pig sty and he had fruit flies everywhere so he Skyped with the surgeon from the back yard.

“Straight men are not interested in post menopausal women they can't have sex with or raise children with, why the fuck would they? Straight men suddenly have a slight upperhand post 40 and the women go mad and can't handle it after holding all the cards in the mating game for so long, boo fucking hoo.”

Men over 40 should not be breeding, the fact that they do is partially responsible for the rise in autism. Even old celeb dads like deNiro and Baldwin have special needs children but are loathe to admit that their age has something to do with it.

[quote]"We women have every right to be picky....... why should we settle?..... We can do better...... Its the Incels who are deluded about their sexual value............. they would turn down a woman in their league ...... they watch too much porn blah blah blah"

[quote]Except all the studies that have consistanly shown the literal opposite of that is true. It's the women with the unreasonable expectaions.

Stop clouding the issue with facts, r199 ; women hate that.

Everyone knows that men are irredeemable villains and porn is worse than Hitler.

[quote]r194 Gaycels are sad little creatures.

I wonder what they look like? I'm seeing adorable little creatures in baby bonnets...

[quote]But the women objectively in their 'league' already deluded themselves (or been convinced) that they are worth more and can do better so will not touch the plumber/electrician etc. That's the whole argument the incels are making, and to be honest it looks as though they're right.

You haven’t posted any facts, though.

It doesn’t look like they are right at all. The guys in this article complain about the lack of beautiful women who won’t make eye contact with them, then when one works with a beautiful woman he treats her like shit.

In the very first paragraph of the story, he reads some Pick Up Artist book and immediately goes to a bar and uses “negging” techniques to insult the women he comes across.

I work in a working class area and the supermarkets, gyms, parks and malls are filled with blue-collar men wearing hi-vis and IT office dudes with wives and girlfriends and boyfriends.

[quote] [R185] I like how you look at the situation where women have become so intransigent, entitled and deluded men have had to find other options, like say fucking an inanimate object, you however look at that situation and think "hmmm.. it's the men who are wrong".

What is it you don't understand about women are not obligated to fuck men they're not interested in just because the men might end up turning to rubber dolls? Again, do YOU feel obligated to have sex with every guy who expresses an interest, because heaven forfend he might have to go home and use his hand or a dildo if you turn him down?

[quote] Because the precious little wimins can never be in the wrong about anything can they? They have no flaws, no agency and are perpetual victims all the time no matter how much data and graphs tell you otherwise.

Of course women have agency; it's what allows them to turn down dudes they're not into instead of becoming victims of men's unreciprocated desires

Let's face it, all of your arguments can be summed as "women are total cunts if they're not willing to date any guy who pursues them (or sits in his parents' basement waiting to be pursued)."

[quote]all of your arguments can be summed as "women are total cunts

well if the glove fits fishy. btw why are you pretending to be a man on a gay mens forum to defend other women?

[quote]But the women objectively in their 'league' already deluded themselves (or been convinced) that they are worth more and can do better so will not touch the plumber/electrician etc. That's the whole argument the incels are making, and to be honest it looks as though they're right.

Oh, please; how many incels have actually worked as plumbers or electricians or done anything reasonably normal with their lives to have any idea how women would react? Like r205, I have rarely come into contact with a blue-collar guy past his early 20s who didn't have a partner; there are plenty of women out there willing to date/marry a blue-collar man, just not a blue- (or white-) collar FREAK.

Minus the attempts at doxxing and threats of violence (some of which turned out to be true), the turn this thread has taken is very similar to what you'd find on early incel message board.

[quote] well if the glove fits fishy.

Well, hey, at least you admit to believing all women are cunts if they think they should have any say-so in whom they date.

[quote btw why are you pretending to be a man on a gay mens forum to defend other women?

I'm not. I'm a bi woman and perfectly happy to acknowledge that. And this is not a gay men's forum.

R178 like you have any idea who is posting, dumbfuck. This is an anonymous forum.

I wish my middle sister had been pickier, in choosing men. Her husband and father of her child had the audacity /s/ to die from an aneurism at a freakishly young age, leaving her to date a tub of human shit, next. He abused her and my nephew and, when she finally dumped his loser, good-for-nothing ass, he stalked her, and threatened to kill her, her son and our entire family.

So, I am ALL FOR her being picky as fuck when or if she ever dates, again.

After her grief cleared, she saw what a mistake she had made by dating trash, she saw his potential for violence and tried to avoid it. That's what everyone says to and about battered women: why don't they leave? She did. He refused to respect HER CHOICE.

On this forum, where we bitch endlessly about the Righties and Rethugs not respecting our choices in life, our ability to express loves towards our BF or partner, or Fundies taking away our our human rights and dignity and women's right to safe, affordable abortion, anybody who wouldn't afford another human being, their choice to not mate with someone they found repellant is in the wrong place.

r212 you've posted this sob story the other day here.

Thank you, r212. One must lead a very sheltered life to believe that one silly, non-scientific "study" on OK Cupid is proof that most women are overly choosy about whom they'll date/marry.

R212 tells his sob story to anyone who will listen. Mostly homeless guys and drug addicts who have OD'd.

Several studes with sample sizes in the thousands.... vs. one guy's boring sob story about his sister.

'well this clearly proves I'm right' Now why don't people take women seriously? boo hoo hoo

Of course women standards are higher, because every irrelevant quickie could end on a pregnancy and take at least 10 years of the women life, in my opinion is the closest to a sentence. I know they have contraception and abortion, but still, no method is 100% effective and abortion are not an option for everyone. Why take such a risk with a loser.

[quote] Several studes with sample sizes in the thousands

Several? How about some links?

Think what you like about r212's story but anyone who steps outside their home on a regular basis can see that plenty of women are in fact paired with loser men, not that they should be, and not that all the studies in the world can "prove" that women should be more open to dating men whom they do not want to date.

Found the Incel in this thread. ( R11 )

Incels don't want women in their league. They want virgin supermodels who will worship the ground they walk on. They go on and on about women lowering their expectations, but their own expectations for Barbie doll slaves are supposed to go unquestioned.

If they want that, they should just get a Real Doll and get it over with. If they want a real woman, they have to grow up and bring something to the table: respect, humor, a decent job, a sense of personal responsibility. If they did that and kept their expectations about their potential dating pool realistic, they'd be spoiled for choice. Most women aren't nearly as turned on by looks as they are by funny, responsible, financially stable men who don't treat women like shit.

r218 The infamous OK Cupid mentioned upthread

r218 The test repeated across several sites OKC, Tinder, DateHookup, Match etc. same results

r218 A more expansive test done on Tinder

As you cans see none of these show the modern single woman in a particularly good light, but you don't need studies to tell you that.

r220 here posting from the opposite dimesion where women posses all those things normally...

[quote] why are you pretending to be a man on a gay mens forum

Why are you pretending to be a straight incel, even though you are an obvious closet case?

L'Chaim!

Oops, wrong thread.

R223 Your spelling and pushing these nonsense "studies" show you to be a fucking moron.

speling is bad but truth hurts

R190 Engineering degrees are useless for the most part. Not many options but suicide.

R229 both your parents are probably low IQ morons like you, the dummy didn't fall far from the stupid tree.

R228 it shows that women are actually pickier and more shallow than men. What is 'fake news' about this? It was always said that men are but these facts that were reported shows the opposite.

That was a welcome breath of fresh air, R226.

R11 isn't just an incel. He also is inexplicably angry at lesbians. Eight of his posts in this thread contain language like "dyke" and "man hating" "lesbian".

Why's he so mad about lesbians? Are they recruiting away some of his potential girlfriends?

R232 edit: always said that men are more shallow.

RE: The discussion at the top about women in their 40s demanding men date them

R234 he is a gIncel. Gays who lust after Incels. Nothing lower than that except maybe guys who have anonymous sex in parks or washrooms.

So what if women are picky? So what if men only want young women? Being able to choose your partner freely is a basic right. It's a matter of desire, not charity.

[quote]So what if women are picky? So what if men only want young women?

r238 The first one is OK the second is misogyny in the current year apparently

R238 the point is that the myth of men being pickier and more shallow than women is a lie. Men do not ask or expect a lot of things that is not going to happen as strongly as women. If i want to maybe date a guy, all i expect is that he is healthy minded and cute with a sexy body which can be subjective. I do not ask for their other things or become delusional and overestimate my attractiveness and underestimate others 80% of the time.

R29 Oh fuck you, cunt. Don't conflate Incels with gay men's (on DL) legit hatred of Fraus and their cuntish topics, thinking all men are gay etc. Nice try, cunt. There are other reasons to hate you not attached to Incels. It is completely logical for men to hate you repulsive delusional cuntfraus.

Actually, this summary of the study you incel-defenders are so enamored of indicated that women think lots of men are ugly, but will date them anyway, while men think lots of women look okay, but will nonetheless pursue only the hottest ones. Not exactly proof of women being the pickier sex:

[quote] Every few weeks Internet dating site OkCupid uses the power of anonymized data to share a few truths about the online dating scene and human nature in general. To be sure, these reports are often highly controversial and aren’t going to be showing up in scientific literature any time soon, but they’re generally interesting (and often amusing) reads. The latest report to come out addresses ‘Your Looks And Your Inbox’, charting the number of messages users receive in relation to how attractive other members rate them.

[quote] Some of the conclusions aren’t surprising. The “most attractive” women receive five times as many messages as the average female does, with 2/3 of all male messages going to the top 1/3 of women. And women tend to favor the most attractive men, though the ratio is less extreme.

[quote] But there are a few interesting phenomena. For one, men on the site tend to be more generous than women when it comes to rating attractiveness, leading to a nice bell curve with the bulk of ratings falling around ‘average’. But despite their fair ratings, they tend to ignore many of the women they find reasonably attractive and primarily target the most attractive females.

[quote] Women, on the other hand, are harsh with their ratings. According to the study, they rate a whopping 80% of men on the site as ‘below average’. My first guess was that there was an issue with self-selection here (i.e. unattractive men congregate on the site for whatever reason). But the study includes photos of four pretty normal looking guys who were all rated to be unattractive. And perhaps more telling: women don’t seem to be opposed to actually contacting these men that they’ve just deemed unattractive.

[quote]r241 Don't conflate Incels with gay men's (on DL) legit hatred of Fraus

I don't sense there are really very many gay men here who hate women.

In fact, there's just one or two who hiss hysterically at whoever disagrees with them ... after deeming them "a frau".

R240 Well, people still have a right to be as picky as they want to, I see no problem here. Also "heathy mind, cute, sexy body" is what we all want, but that's already quite a few requirements.

Well I just ran my face through several facial analysis checkers and they firmly place me between 8 and 9. I've worked out for 25 years so the body is fit. Now I've run the guy I'm interested in's face through those same checkers, and he came out a high 7/low 8. So, I'm playing in my own ballpark, thank you.

Here's one fact against your theory that all women choose men out of their league.

Thanks for actually reading it, there was no way I was going through that R242

r245 begone frau

^^ shut up, and learn some manners. Like not derailing threads with your Mommie Issues.

You're welcome, r246. I was amused but not surprised to learn that the study actually shows men are pickier than women when it comes to actually pursuing someone.—though I fully agree with r244 that people of both sexes have the right to be as picky as they want to be. Nobody is obligated to set aside their own standards and wishes to save someone else from a lifetime of loneliness, hurt feelings, sex with plastic dolls or whatever the hell.

R244 attractiveness is subjective and i do not require further things like if "how much more money he makes than me" for example. Women ask for more requirements despise being am average looking woman. Gay men just do not worry about if they want to land a rich and and beautiful prince but just the former. We got our own money and do not need the money of others. I thought feminism was "being independent and having your own money" but it seems that many want it both ways. Thank god i am into men or i kill myself if i was straight by falling of a bridge.

So once again, r247, I ask why you are pretending to be straight when you are clearly not?

I believe in redemption. I think as a society we're too quick to condemn people, in fact, it even gives us personal validation to do it ('cancel culture' exists for this reason). Whatever fuck ups people are, who get off on labelling and oppressing certain types of men or women, their targets of derision must be given a chance to prove themselves. Nobody ever is.

R250 you should kill yourself anyway. It would make me happy.

Before Bundy was known as a serial killer, His victims couldn't have necessarily known that he was dangerous. Bundy had good social skills and was a charmer. Typical Psychopath. A lot of psychopaths are charming. Ann Rule knew him because he worked on a suicide hotline with her. They were work friends so to speak and she thought he was a nice guy. The women who liked him after they knew of his crimes were probably mentally off. He was also in law school, he was smart. Some people who were mentoring him saw him as a future politician according to Ann Rule's book.

R247 You're just mad because I'm dating in my league.

R254 what the fuck does that have to do with Britney Spear's bleached asshole? This is a thread about Incels, moron.

r190 Even if some cunty female lawyer made fun of an electrician, I have to say I do not know a single plumber, carpenter or electrician who would give a shit. They would tell their contact at the law firm and go about their day.

I have no pity for plumbers and electricians and carpenters and bricklayers. These people work in trades have trained for 4+ years to become qualified, make quite good money, work for themselves and have unions backing them. They work in the outdoors and have necessary social skills as they have to negotiate for wages and contracted work. Most of them have little trouble socializing and having sex or dating. Most of them are pretty right-wing, but are generally quite happy with their lives

MRAs who can't get a woman don't like women to begin with.

R257 most are right wing? Have you met every single one of them, you stupid cunt. Could you be more full of shit?

They're in unions but right wing apparently....

I do not think the image you have of women is acurate. All the women I know (except from one who has serious health issues) have their own jobs, money, and are independant. Those who are in a relationship are definitely pulling their own weight. I hear a lot of people talking about these lazy, superficial women whose only purpose in life is to snag a rich, handsome guy so they will not have to work a day in their lives, but I haven't met one yet. Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe it's a dated stereotype.

I meant R250

Er, yes a lot of trained workers in trades are pretty right-wing. They're not especially interested in civil-rights or gay equality or giving waitresses and big-box employees minimum wage or being pro-immigration.

Why does it come as a surprise to r258 and r259 that a lot of electricians and plumbers have conservative leanings? Most of them operate as small business owners and don't want to pay much tax. They're in a physical, "macho" business. They don't want to lose potential work to (illegal!?!!!) migrants. They disdain administrators as being pencil pushers (as they would some bitchy female lawyer). Their rights they have from their unions (which are not what they were 50 years ago) are taken correctly as their due.

[quote] Gay men just do not worry about if they want to land a rich and and beautiful prince but just the former. We got our own money and do not need the money of others.

Yeah, sure, no gay men are ever "kept" and no straight women ever work and earn their own money.

R263 do you not have same other place to go? You are not welcomed here, woman. I am sure you women would be so happy if i went to a female space and decided to put my opinions, right?

R262 I am so sure, you are full of shit.

R85, Many women especially those living in small towns, who are from deeply religious and/or socially Conservative families , were raised with the mentality that they should be lucky to find a man willing to marry them. Yes this attitude still persists today especially if the girl is from a poor family. Incels aren't even offering marriage but expecting immediate sex on demand.

There are a certain amount of kept gay men, most of them with mental issues and unemployable as a result. I have known quite a few over the years. Once they lose their youthful good lucks they are put in the trash where they belong.

r264, this not an exclusively male space and never has been. I don't hang out in any female-only spaces, so have no thoughts about you posting in one. I do think it's pretty cowardly and lame, but hilarious, that you want to run women out of here for rebutting your ignorant opinions with simple facts; e.g, the OKCupid nonsense actually showed that men are pickier than women, and not all gay men earn their own money, while many of not most straight women do.

[quote] Maybe I'm lucky, or maybe it's a dated stereotype

It's the latter, r260. Some of the posters here have their heads stuck firmly in the 1950s or before. And while they hate women for supposedly living off men, when they do have to acknowledge women with successful careers, they immediately stereotype those women as ball-busting shrews who are taking away jobs that should be rightfully men's.

r266 So? All women in this day and age (and economy) should consider themselves extremely lucky a man is willing to marry them, given what a nightmare pain in the ass most of them are.

This is what Incels would do with a beautiful woman. Go right for the ass.

It's weird seeing supposedly gay men who are against someone's right to sleep with whomever they want. I guess since there's women who are attracted to us gay men, you think we should fuck them. I'm sure you're out there fucking and marrying ugly men too.

Women in general tend to be more forgiving if a guy doesn't look Instagram-perfect as long as he has other attractive qualities, e.g., funny, engaging, good in bed, and doesn't talk about himself ad nauseam. Being gainfully employed helps too.

Basically you can't be ugly, broke, AND an asshole. It's that simple.

[quote]this is not a gay men's forum.

Once again we endure the entitlement of women who think they belong in spaces designed for gay men.

^This space was designed for gay people, which includes gay women.

Exactly.

incels>women

Yeah, dude, you've made it abundantly clear that you think that. Still not going to convince any women to date incels.

incels>r278

R111, The previous posters who quoted hook up "dating" sites should realize that the majority of the women on those sites are accepting of extremely casual one-night stands. Therefore there are far, far more women then men on the sites, and the former are flooded with responses from the latter. That's why the women using those sites are so picky re a man's looks.

You'd find similar results if you checked out sites catering to single women into swinging & for married women seeking extra-marital affairs. Those women seeking relationships & marriage have different standards and criterion than the ones going after casual sex.

So many of them are non white and believe they must look more white to get hot girls. They always talk about blonde girls they want. They want blondes because they watch porn all the time which shows blonde, big tittied women morning and growing and begging for sex. They think that’s real life. They’re never looking for a relationship, just sex with hot blondes.

morning and growing

moaning & groaning.

Lol, every blonde I've ever known has been ugly. One had a pretty good body, butter face, fug.

The media loves this actually niche and small group. They cream themselves when they get to write about ‘incels’. It’s not really a thing. Even half the guys who post on the threads are joking and shit stirring

The women who think they should be posting here would have us believe otherwise, r284.

[quote]r250 Thank god i am into men or i kill myself if i was straight by falling of a bridge.

You can still do that.

No one will really miss you.

R284 fuck you. Whether they call them Incels or loser who could not get laid to save his fucking life - these losers do exist. They have always existed. It is simple biology that most men were never gifted with the looks, intelligence, physical superiority that these Incels imagine are all that is needed to score like Mick Jagger or David Beckham. It is not about the actual sex with Incels; it is only about the status or bragging rights.

Women value more than just looks in a partner. Most want someone they can talk to and who makes them feel valued.

That's why you all make fun of "bull dykes" and "diesel dykes". They know that most of the time looks don't matter to other women so why bother putting on a pretense?

Men just want arm candy to make their male friends jealous.

Incels are mad because the women they want will never want them. And women who might want them are "too fat", "too ugly" or "too boring" to make their male friends jealous.

Maybe at some point they will grow up.

R284, Jewish culture has many slang words to describe what modern women would call "a zero" like nebbish. I've met many Incels at group social events and on public transportation. Yes they used to get out of their mothers' basements before the huge expansion of certain internet sites. No, none of them ever visited the gym, participated in sports, sought out a fashion consultant.

Look at all the misfits buying wives in Asia and other foreign countries. Have you actually seen some of those videos? READ the Comments and tell me there aren't tons of Incels.

Truth be told, the Viet Nam war killed off a lot of good prospects for women. Now the ratio of women in the het dating pool is nowhere near as big as the number of men in most cities.

R289 Retard. Fuckers in the Vietnam War would be in their 60s to 80s. I doubt anyone gives a fuck about these dinosaurs.

R130, you go!

Incels complaining that woman should be forced to sleep with them against their will just because men deserve to fuck the woman they want to is the same as trans labeling anyone who doesn't want their mismatched genitals as transphobic. No-one should have to screw someone they aren't sexually attracted to because of a false sense of "injustice". The world doesn't work that way.

R290, I won't resort to your super childish name-calling but obviously you missed the entire point of my post. That is post-Viet Nam war there was a surplus of single women competing for men. Definitely not the case today in most cities.

Incels have not adjusted to the changes in the ratio of men to women which now favor the latter. This has been exaggerated by the fact the many single women no longer wish to pair up with or even to have sex with men. Incels grew up with the mentality set by their much older relatives that they had to do very little to get women. Especially accurate in the Jewish culture and hence the many dissing names for Incels in Yiddish.

Likewise foreign born men or the 1st generation from many different cultures were raised with very low expectations of what they had to do to be rewarded with women. Public schooling focusing on entitlement & rewards for all made the situation much worse.

R293 Bullshit. Everything you say is wrong. Incels have nothing to do with the ratio of men to women, it has always been 50 50. Incels only refer to white men, so bullshit on other cultures. Incels never learned to be Incels from older men either. You are categorically full of shit, grandpa.

R294, Do you lack intelligence or reading comprehension? The man portrayed in OP's article was not 100% White and had serious ego issues because of it. Neither were many of those pictured in that same article. Plenty of Incels aren't 100 White, even if you're including the ones considered White Adjacent.

Moreover many sub-cultures and Conservative religions still preach male entitlement and that women must get married. Incels take it to a whole new level without following the dictates that men must financially support their wives & future children.

R295 You are tiresome, old man. Isn't there a casket or urn waiting for you? Everything you say is wrong.

R234, Read the linked article. I can back up what I write but you can't even read correctly. You can only call strangers childish names. Really you need to grow up.

R295 Jesus Christ STFU already. You keep writing but everything you say is wrong. Give it up, Mary! Yada yada yada...I'm wrong. Is all you write. We don't need your mansplaining on top of everything else.

See, Incels are white. So fuck off. Incels are members of an online subculture[1][2] who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, a state they describe as inceldom.[3] Self-identified incels are largely white and are almost exclusively male heterosexuals.[4][5][6][7][8][9] The term is a portmanteau of "involuntary celibates".[1]

Discussions in incel forums are often characterized by resentment, misanthropy,[1] self-pity,[10] self-loathing,[11] misogyny,[12] racism,[12] a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people.[8][9][13][14][12] The American nonprofit Southern Poverty Law Center described the subculture as "part of the online male supremacist ecosystem" that is included in their list of hate groups.[15][16]

R298, You sound exactly like the Incels who feel completely powerless and therefore try to control the narrative. Please learn some manners which Incels totally lack. Goodbye. I wont' be responding to your silly rants any longer.

R299, "Largely White" is not the equivalent of 100% White. Didn't you read the article before you posted it? Also does "White" include those who are partly Middle Eastern like the subject of OP's article? At best they are White adjacent.

R281 explain Japanese porn

Stubborn old queens go to bed already. Fuck. We don't want what you're selling.

The one arguing against incel won here.

Take a bow

"It is not about the actual sex with Incels; it is only about the status or bragging rights. "

Ain't that the truth! If all they really wanted was sex then they could hire whores or get mail-order brides from the world's hellholes. But they're all terrified of sex and intimacy, and lots of them are repressed GAAAAAAYS and some seem to be pedophiles, they do their damndest to avoid relationships with real live women.

I mean, they all say they're straight and that someone should hand them a beautiful blonde, but if you actually DID give them a porn star to be their slave, they'd recoil and try to find some flaw in her appearance or behavior that justifies them rejecting her as not good enough for their precious dick. They don't want real women, they just want real life to be more like a hentai porno.

R305 As if, delusional queen. 97% of the general population are heterosexual. None of the Incels are gay.

Like the article term "swallow the black pill". I've witnessed fugs (mostly borderlines) land in the psych ward over this realization.

"None of the Incels are gay. "

Oooh, someone's feeling threatened!

Someone who comes to a gay forum where there's tons of free pictures of naked men and discussions of gay sex. Funny about that.

R308 The whole world is not gay. So fuck your propaganda, queen.

Ladies, instead of doing what you do in every other place designed for gay men, which is barge in and begin throwing your weight around, get the fuck off DL.

You don't belong.

Nobody wants you.

R307, Please run that by me again. Exactly why did you see Incels land in the psych ward?

She saw them in her [italic]imagination[/italic], r311 .

R312 LOL. We get so many crazy stories from these schizoid queens off their meds. They don't know what is real and what is just their evil dark inner selves.

Yeah, what's this "black pill" business?

Some sort of reality check?

R314 the black pill is some sort of reference to The Matrix; never cared enough to learn any more about it.

R314 et al, According to The Urban Dictionary's definition of The Black Pill,

An incel philosophical conclusion based around dogmatic hopelessness about dating and life in general based off of a form of Catastrophizing. Step of reasoning The Black Pill is based on

1. Experience of rejection and isolation. 2. You are unattractive to women. 3. You will never be attractive to any woman. 4. You will be forever alone. 5. You will always be unhappy. 6. Women did this to you. 7. Feminism empowered women to do this to you. 8. The social trends that made this possible are getting worse. 9. Humanity itself is doomed. 10. Your only option is to lie down and rot.

R316 Hilarious. Sounds like most DLers on a Friday night.

R313 with the exception of the dreaded Matt Anscher, the "schizoid queens" you mention are female.

They come to DL, where they aren't welcome, and begin dumping.

They have issues with anger, issues with men, issues with sexuality, issues with sanity & meds. It would appear that one or two are posting in this thread.

R318 way to deflect queen, you are probably one of them. Many gay men are schizoid queens too, don't try to sugar coat the high rate of psychopathy and assholery in the gay community.

Schizoid Personality Disorder applies to the Incels as well as a great many DLer gays.

Schizoid Personality Disorder Schizoid personality disorder is a pattern of indifference to social relationships, with a limited range of emotional expression and experience. People with schizoid personality disorder rarely feel there is anything wrong with them. The disorder manifests itself by early adulthood through social and emotional detachments that prevent people from having close relationships. People with it are able to function in everyday life, but will not develop meaningful relationships with others. They are typically loners and may be prone to excessive daydreaming as well as forming attachments to animals. They may do well at solitary jobs others would find intolerable. There is evidence indicating the disorder shares an underlying genetic architecture with schizophrenia, and social withdrawal is a characteristic of both disorders. Crucially, people with schizoid personality disorder are in touch with reality, unlike those with schizophrenia or schizoaffective disorder.

Look in a mirror, strident female @ r319.

The biggest asshole here is you.

R321 Fuck you, cunt. You are talking out of your ass, as the Brits say. You are weak and could be crushed like the cockroach you are.

You're talking out of your ass is a long time common American saying too.

R323 only in your schizoid imagination, cockroach.

R320, I think there's a whole rainbow of psychiatric and psychological disorders going on in the Incel community - autism spectrum disorders, a variety of personality disorders including schizoid, untreated depression and other mood disorders, and plain pathological assholery. Plus a few normal awkward guys who just need a bit of life coaching, but who are being fed this "black pill of despair" bullshit.

Plus a fair amount of repressed homosexuality. Which, I can't make this point too many times, is why some of them are drawn here.

Lots of angry lesbian penis envy in this thread.

R325, Interesting post. Ran across multiple Incels in my lifetime. Never considered that they might be heavily closeted & in denial rather than just asexual or sexually dysfunctional and unwilling to change.

[quote]Never considered that they might be heavily closeted & in denial

That's because they aren't.

Incels don't ping, and not because they are in the closet, but because they aren't gay.

R324 I'm not r321, so save your unhinged stupidity for someone who gives a shit.

R325 Wrong, dipshit. No, most of them don't have a litany of personality disorders, quit projecting. 97% of the population are heterosexual so fuck your everyone is gay psychopathy.

R330 did you wander here from 4chan?

[quote]It is society and their families who failed to socialize them.

See...normally, I would be all about blaming those two things but they’re also cop-outs. The Internet is the main culprit. BUT so is shit like homeschooling, untreated anxiety, etc--so maybe the family is to blame. It's just frustrating because it seems like people are looking for something or someone else to blame other than the entitled little pieces of shit.

ABSOLUTELY R328. I don't get this obsession with being closeted as the genesis of all social disorder. So stupid.

R331 Did you wander here from the MGM lot in 1960?

[quote]Did you wander here from the MGM lot in 1960?

Explanation, please.

Some seriously deluded queens on here. Yikes.

[quote] All women in this day and age (and economy) should consider themselves extremely lucky a man is willing to marry them

Just come out of the closet, "straight" guy. This is the gayest statement I've read yet.

Wow, this thread has attracted at least two MRA incel crazies (or maybe it's just one, posting from two different devices?).

Anyway, if you prefer your discussions sane, try blocking r11 and r34. Works like a charm.

Well then r336, that means you can't see this fun incel meme I found:

[quote] None of the Incels are gay.

What a silly statement. How could you possibly know? I'd guess that many or most incels are straight and just really fucked-up, but to assert that NONE are closet cases is foolish,

[quote] Ladies, instead of doing what you do in every other place designed for gay men, which is barge in and begin throwing your weight around, get the fuck off DL. You don't belong. Nobody wants you.

A handful of misogynists have been trying to run women off DL since its inception 20+ plus years ago, but none have succeeded. Best of luck you, though.

I already had at least one of the trolls in this thread who hate women on block. I was looking at my ignore list and realised he's posted on this thread at least 50 time (yes, I am procrastinating from other things). Chill dude, we all know you hate women, why don't you go outside for a breath of fresh air, you might feel better?

What cracks me up about the woman haters is that they assume every post they read that is not flamingly anti-woman must come from a man-hating lesbian feminist. Sorry, dudes, but most gay men don't share your misogyny and I'm sure this thread contains quite a few anti-incel posts written by your fellow gay MEN.

There are plenty of ugly, pimply, stupid low-earning men who get laid. They get married and have kids.

r341 is the "bi" frau from upthread

[quote]I'm not. I'm a bi woman and perfectly happy to acknowledge that. And this is not a gay men's forum.

Imagine the gall to come to a forum for gay men and try and police the discussion and throw a tantrum because the gay men there don't kowtow exactly to your greivence politics, the hubris and entitlement.

Gay men aren't swayed by female manipulation and faux helplessness, hence the clarity of discussion re: the 'dreaded evil incels' and the women that infest the DL these days throw a fit over it.

r341 Kindly take you pretend "bi" heterosexual female self and fuck off. There are thousands of sites that would acomadate your whinging and join you in hating on these 'incel' men. Why must you be here, why must you lot control every little last thing, no one wants you here.

Look who's talking, r343. You're stinking up this board with your "straight" male entitlement. There are a million boards that cater to straight men. Of course, they don't have the gay male pron gifs you're looking for. Again, you haven't answered why you are pretending to be straight on a gay board.

Is the cartoon stud at the OP supposed to be the big dicked psychopath from How To Get Away With Murder?

[quote] [R341] is the "bi" frau from upthread

Yep, that is true. Well, I am a bi woman, anyway. "Frau" is a matter of opinion.

[quote] Imagine the gall to come to a forum for gay men and try and police the discussion and throw a tantrum because the gay men there don't kowtow exactly to your greivence politics, the hubris and entitlement.

Again, this forum is not just for gay men and never has been, no matter how many times you say otherwise. And expressing opinions you find offensive does not constitute "policing" a discussion or throwing a tantrum, merely contributing to the discussion with thoughts you don't share. Seems to me that you are one trying to police the discussion by insisting that anyone who doesn't agree with you should leave.

[quote]Gay men aren't swayed by female manipulation and faux helplessness,

How do "female manipulation and faux helplessness" have anything to do with this topic? I'd say one of incels' biggest problems with women is that they are NOT helpless and are quite willing and able to reject an incel. As for manipulation, how exactly does one manipulate someone one has chosen to ignore and avoid? Your accusations make little sense.

[quote] [R341] Kindly take you pretend "bi" heterosexual female self and fuck off.

Sorry, not sorry, not going anywhere (and not pretending to be bi).

[quote] There are thousands of sites that would acomadate your whinging and join you in hating on these 'incel' men.

Perhaps, but I'm not obsessed with incels and don't come to DL specifically to hate on them; this is just one of many threads that caught my interest recently. If you are determined to show your support for these hateful freaks, however, and cannot stand to have anyone express a contrary opinion, you might be happier on an incel board than on DL, where few posters, male or female sympathize with incels, and in a thread that begins, "Yet another article about incels—jesus christ, these guys are fucked." Along with your many other failings, you apparently lack common sense.

[quote] Why must you be here, why must you lot control every little last thing, no one wants you here.

LOL. You're trying to kick people off Dl, but MY "lot" wants to control every little last thing?

*once had a fleeting feeling of finding a girl she knew 'cute'.

Married to a man, has only had sex with men and only ever will.

Thinks that makes her "bi" and therefore an oppressed equal member of the "LBTQIAIO+++"

turns up on DL to chastise those unsuffciently obeidient to her dull 3rd wave feminist fauning of women and hating of straight men.

DL in 2019.....

"It’s not really a thing. Even half the guys who post on the threads are joking and shit stirring"

Coming from someone who posts on 4chan, that doesn't mean much. Of course you side with your fellow dirtbags

"Public schooling focusing on entitlement & rewards for all made the situation much worse."

Sad how Republicans need to blame all of societies ills on public schools. It's especially funny since the people you are talking about seem to share your right-wing views

[quote] turns up on DL to chastise those unsuffciently obeidient to her dull 3rd wave feminist fauning of women and hating of straight men.

And once again, I ask, why are you pretending to be "straight"? Obviously, there are tons of sites that cater to straight men and don't have photos of naked men everywhere.

[quote] *once had a fleeting feeling of finding a girl she knew 'cute'. Married to a man, has only had sex with men and only ever will.

LOL. I've never been married and have had sex with more women than men.

[quote] turns up on DL to chastise those unsuffciently obeidient to her dull 3rd wave feminist fauning of women and hating of straight men.

Yeah, that makes so much sense with your previous assumption that I'm married to and will only have sex with men. In truth, I like both the pole and the hole, and have no problem with men as dates/sex partners, friends, or humans (unless they are assholes, which also applies to women).

I put just one of the assholes on "ignore", and the thread literally vanished! So many posts vanished that my cheap computer couldn't cope!

And that wasn't even the idiot who insists that all the Incels as straight. As if, bitch.

"And that wasn't even the idiot who insists that all the Incels as straight."

The real trolls are the freaks trying to pretend these guys are on our team. Are these the same people insisting that Hitler and the Columbine killers were gay, too?

R9 Domestic violence stats would most likely prove otherwise.

"The flat part of the summit, which he estimated at about the size of two Ping-Pong tables, was packed with 15 or 20 people. "

R353, no all-male group is 100% straight, we know that.

Look at the Catholic priesthood and the Marines!

^ Actually, the Marines have the lowest % of gay men in all the branches of the service

They should become Muslims so their parents can arrange a marriage for them.

^ Or just "Quiverfull" fundies

[quote]Actually, the Marines have the lowest % of gay men in all the branches of the service

Since knowing who's gay among the Marines would require a culture conducive to voluntary disclosure, there's no way to establish that. The best one could say is that the Marines have the lowest % of admitted gays in all the branches of the service.

r360, not long ago there was a large survey done about lifestyle habits of people in the armed forces - mostly about things like drinking and smoking but there was also a focus on gay/bi service members. I posted it here. The Navy had the highest % of gay men overall (no shit) and the Marines were ranked dead last. Overall, however, the % of gay/bi men in all the branches of the service combined was very similar to numbers from the general population. I guess some people could have lied, but I don't see why gays in the Marines would be that much more likely to lie than ones in, say, the Air Force or the Army.

And I'd wager the % of gays in the incel community is pretty tiny. Why would gays sit around whining that women won't have sex with them?

[quote]I guess some people could have lied...

Ya think? We're decades away from reaching the kind of social equilibrium where even a survey of the general public would be anything approaching accuracy in terms of truthfulness. Admitted homosexuality is still only the smallest part of a submerged iceberg. The branches of the military are all to a greater or lesser degree repositories of toxic masculinity in terms of culture, the Marines more so than most.

[quote]The branches of the military are all to a greater or lesser degree repositories of toxic masculinity in terms of culture, the Marines more so than most.

.... yeah I sure do wish the military would gt rid of theat 'toxic masculinity'. That's definitely something I want as a tax payer.

Mm-hmm. The Simpsons is sooo reflective of reality.

The satire of The Simpsons does reflect reality.

Or, all r354...men have violent tendencies??

Don’t they commit 90% of all homicides?

Isn’t that why we now have fewer women on the planet than men?

And three women are killed every day in the USA?

r366 r/GenderCritical is that way fishy fishy fish fish ===================>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

no one here cares tubbs

And why you are STILL pretending to be "straight" on a gay site, r367? Hmmmmmm

???? R367?

Who knew it was possible to make MPC/Erna look sane and coherent by comparison?

367

Blocked

r370 oh noes!!

go take your anti male, anti sex shit elsewhere. Why the fuck you think we're a place your type would wecome just because we share some views about the trans agenda

Check her post history, full of whining about 'porn' and "pornsick males" a term invented on GenderCritical by the insane radfems.

These people are very depressing, because, in a social sense, they're probably beyond salvation. There is some socialization gene in their head that's simply missing. I don't know if it's a lack of empathy or what, but they can't relate to other human beings in general.

I mean ... where to begin?

A more normal person would figure, "Okay, I'm unlucky in love, I'm not naturally attractive or glamorous, but I can still clean myself up, go out there and get other satisfactions and achievements in life, or have other friendships until things turn my way. " But the despairing incel mindset doesn't allow that.

What's a mystery to me, r371, is why you think DL welcomes incel defenders when it's pretty clear you and one other freak are the only ones in this thread?

Most gay men are fine with women, and have had friends who are women ... whether they're straight, lesbian, or just supportive family members. Or at the very least, there's female performers they're fans of.

Gay people tend to be tolerant in general, and certainly aren't going to hold something as fundemental as someone's gender against them.

There is a very old fashioned stereotype from the 1950s and 60s (?) of gay men being vicious, hissing women-haters, but I don't think that was a widespread reality, even then.

It's just not realistic to hate half the worl's population.

I should add the caveat that there's one woman all gay men hate, unequivicably:

that vicious monster with a mushroom haircut, ANN ROMANO

R28 is the only person in this thread to understand the psychology behind why men like this are avoided and should be.

Men don’t seem to get that women are socialised and conditioned to be on guard 24/7 around men who are not kin because of very real and omnipresent danger. A female can usually with an 8/9 out of 10 success rate sniff out a man who despises women and wants to control or harass her (and when she can’t, it’s either wilful blindness on her part, impairment from substances or the man in question is an intelligent sociopath/psychopath). So-called incels basically are just clumsy, stupid, incompetent hyenas who could actually get them some strange by an average girl if they related to her and learned charm instead of treating her like a damn warthog.

[quote]women are socialised and conditioned to be on guard 24/7 around men who are not kin because of very real and omnipresent danger.

This is hysterical, you've either been drinking too much feminist kool aid, or this is projection and your an actual danger to women. Normal well adjusted women, i.e. not upper middle class histrionic feminists desperate to feel oppressed, are not in "very real fear of omnipresent danger" around men no matter what the current cultural zeitgeist says.

R372, your strangely deterministic comment (that some people truly lack X quality and are beyond salvation) doesn't help. That kind of attitude only reinforces Incels' sense of genetic predestination.

Show a bit of empathy.

And how the fuck would you know, r377?

[quote]stinking up this board with your "straight" male entitlement

See, this is what none of you delusional bitches can figure out: gay guys are as sick of your shit as straight guys are. You just assume that the push back you get for showing up on DL, the gay men's forum, is somehow inexplicably coming from straight guys who like to hang out on a gay forum.

Or, possibly, from, oh, I don't know, coming from closet cases who fit what you think is the incel profile. Or something. Who the fuck can figure out your convoluted attempts at rationalizing why men don't like you?

You've spent this thread, from post #1, demonstrating why men don't want you, either here, or anywhere else.

Who's the asshole at r379 who keeps stinking up the thread with her radfem entitlement?

She thinks every guy in this thread is a closet case.

That person said they were "straight", r380, who I'm guessing is you after clearing your cookies.

[quote]See, this is what none of you delusional bitches can figure out: gay guys are as sick of your shit as straight guys are.

Um, no, not gay guys in general, just you, nutbag.

[quote]r380 ...the push back you get for showing up on DL, the gay men's forum

What's this "pushback" you're talking about? It seems to basically come from you.

An aversion to women in general is not normal. Most DLers don't display it.

You seem to think me and r380 are the same person.... because of course no way could more than one person be fed up with the feminist women that clog up every thread on DL could they?

Everyone on DL *must* loves the women and really wants their cookie cutter opions plastered everywhere. It's not like we couldn't find them on just about every website on the internet is it?

[quote]r378 your strangely deterministic comment (that some people truly lack X quality and are beyond salvation) doesn't help. That kind of attitude only reinforces Incels' sense of genetic predestination. Show a bit of empathy.

I did say "probably" beyond salvation. One reason they will most probably never change is they seemingly have no desire to - they're clueless that there's a problem with their thinking.

And as they seem to be such shut-ins, it's unlikely they're going to rouse themselves to seek help in the first place. Therapy/counseling is a long, ongoing, sometimes uncomfortable process I doubt they could muster the energy and bravery to stick with.

[quote] Therapy/counseling is a long, ongoing, sometimes uncomfortable process I doubt they could muster the energy and bravery to stick with.

'Therapy' is a con/racket, it along with psychology will be reguarded a kin to lobotomies and blood letting in a hundred years.

Self absorbed narcasists and fraus love it, can't think why...

[quote]r385 You seem to think me and [R380] are the same person.... because of course no way could more than one person be fed up with the feminist women that clog up every thread on DL, could they?

1 or 2 people is still a minority.

Just because you keep endlessly banging the same "I Hate Women" gong doesn't make that a DL consensus. It's just makes you strident.

[quote]r387 'Therapy' is a con/racket

Well, how else do you think those damaged people (incels) are ever going to be able to leave the house and interact comfortably with others?

They're seriously damaged, and they're not going to simply outgrow that on their own.

The women of DL:

"yeah wooo everyone loves us here, they love hearing our unique female perspectves, am I right my gays"

Also women of DL when anyone disagrees with them

"OMG gay men are so misogynst, I can't believe this we're your allies, I cried during the AIDS thing reeeeee...."

^^

I have literally never seen post like that on DL.

r389 I don't think they need help tbh, why would they? Avoiding women seems fairly sensible at this point. Those MGTOW lot might have some strange ideas but they seem the best form of 'therapy' for shut in incels, they seem quite upbeat and positive about self imrovement. That's the best kind of theapy for men, not sitting in a chair talking to some judgemental SJW type with an agenda to mould them in a certain way.

[quote]Therapy/counseling is a long, ongoing, sometimes uncomfortable process I doubt they could muster the energy and bravery to stick with.

Well, clinical depression does generally rob you of your will and motivation, and when you've been chronically depressed months or even years, after a while you'll no longer even be aware that you're depressed. Your negative self-beliefs, nihilistic world-views and black-and-white thinking will become so deeply ingrained, you'll just conflate it with your own personality.

Contrapoints was right. Inceldom is more than just a socio-political phenomenon; it's pathological to the bone.

*for months or even years

So basically they're gay men.

Me neither, r391, and there are def no such posts in this thread.

Summary of r392: "Incels shouldn't seek therapy, because the therapist might convince them that women are people."

Women are not people r397 ... ugh how could you even think that.

[quote]r395 So basically they're gay men.

If they were, I think they'd be more fun. Or at least more self aware.

But no, they're just boring straight men that cannot identify with others.

One thing that comes from being gay (a member of an oppressed group) is that you have a sensitivity toward what other people's life experiences are ... basically, what others go through. These men lack that.

[quote] You seem to think me and [R380] are the same person.... because of course no way could more than one person be fed up with the feminist women that clog up every thread on DL could they?

So, sorry, perhaps there are a whole two of you nutjobs. You still don't represent the viewpoint of most gay male DLers.

R320? Schizoid is withdrawn. Schizotypal is the mincing queen who brings her tarot cards with her everywhere. Best is these readings are given free at every gathering. Cocktails, weed, professional glycolic peels are the currency here.

R401 Yeah ok. We don't need a moron's opinion about these things.

No one has the time or gumption to check post histories. R371, you're one of the top 5 regulars here who fall under the "all around tragedy" umbrella. No words, you poor lost soul.

Get better soon

Whenever they start spouting off, I always wonder what happened to the poster above who has a virulent hatred of women.

Were they beaten by a foster mom or something? Did they never get over their high school crush dating a cheerleader?

It's weird.

Then you aren't looking, willfully blind person posting @ r391.

Absentee bio dad w/domineering, usually vulgar mother.

You asked

R371 why are you commenting to r370 after he blocked you? He won't see it. Are you fucking retarded?

[quote]Absentee bio dad w/domineering, usually vulgar mother

No, that would be the explanation for the women in this thread

the incels will end in tears - -

[quote]Absentee bio dad w/domineering, usually vulgar mother.

So basically Danny DeVito in Throw Momma from the Train, but gay.

[quote][R371] why are you commenting to [R370] after he blocked you? He won't see it.

Maybe they saw it, maybe they didn't.

But [italic]you[/italic] did.

r407 *she* blocked me you mean.

[quote] That's the best kind of theapy for men, not sitting in a chair talking to some judgemental SJW type with an agenda to mould them in a certain way.

That's hilarious coming from someone who sucks the fun out of a thread and uses DL like their own personal therapy session.

R413 Just block the unhinged psychotics. They are speaking gibberish at this point.

[quote]That's hilarious coming from someone who sucks the fun out of a thread and uses DL like their own personal therapy session.

......which describes every female in this thread.

I have an idea. Let us invade and put our male opinions on LCHAT AND LSA and see how they severily react. I am foreshadowing that it will be bad.

LSA shoot the whtie man on sight

I think the females can take the abuse of the gay men on DL. They must just ignore it after awhile.

I remember watching a documentary on American men that went to Russia on one of those meet Russian women trips. They were the prime example of incels. The expectations they had were ridiculous. They all wanted sub-serviant young girls who looked like models and would blow them on demand. It was eye opening.

[quote]They all wanted sub-serviant young girls who looked like models and would blow them on demand. It was eye opening.

Just wait until you see what millenial straight women demand in a man....

No one cares, honey. That's the part women refuse to understand.

So why don't they just hire hookers if they want to stop being celibate? I mean, it's just common sense, right? If you hate being celibate, have sex! If you hate having sex with demanding people who have expectations of their own, have sex with someone who will do whatever you want for a few bucks!

Several possible answers: 1) They're terrified of sex and intimacy, and don't so much want sex as the social status and manly status points that come with sex. 2) Some have paraphilic desires that can't be fulfilled in real life, best not to think too hard about what. 3) If they hire a prostitute, they have to let her go when they're done! There seems to be a pathological need for control with a lot of them, they can't let themselves be intimate with someone unless they're 100% in control of the relationship and the other person, which again, isn't happening in real life. Which brings us back to #1, the terror of sex and intimacy.

R422, Have known several Incels in the days before the internet. They're constant put downs of women were far worse than the most misogynistic on DL.

The suggestion that they were expected to please a woman in and out of bed was beyond their comprehension. Pay for the 10's they expected? Never, as she'd be "used" beyond those on the "cock carousel" of Chads.

In reality some would be paired up by going to a Conservative church where some virginal girls with barely a high school education and few available prospects would be thrilled to be married to any man who claimed to follow her cult-like religion. We're talking Jehovah's Witnesses, some of the small-town LDS groups, Pentecost Baptists. Of course the Incels would be secretly angry as the available young women wouldn't be the 10's he feels he deserves.

This thread is just two psychotics at this point. Nothing to see here.

R424, If that's your prognosis on this thread, then why would someone so brilliant like yourself be continuously reading so many posts?

r422, you're probably right about some incels. Others, I think, won't hire hookers simply because they don't think they should have to pay for it. If they were all truly terrified of sex or had fetishes too weird to be fulfilled, I don't think you'd see them getting plastic surgery in hopes of getting laid.

[quote]r426 If they were all truly terrified of sex or had fetishes too weird to be fulfilled, I don't think you'd see them getting plastic surgery in hopes of getting laid.

I imagine their dreams for plastic surgery are about getting a whole new life, not just about getting sex. But they are so impractical minded, they cannot use plastic surgery for what it is; a simple, straightforward upgrade.

In the article, 1 incel resents that people are making more eye contact with him post surgery, raging inside that he's the same person they ignored before. Another isn't happy with his first jaw inplant and has 3 more operations on it, until his chin is an open wound that takes a month to close.

They're too far gone for simple solutions.

Agreed, r427, that for most of these guys, plastic surgery is not going to do what they're unrealistically expecting, but I do think some of them genuinely want sex and relationships, even if they haven't a clue how to achieve those goals.

This is mental illness, think mtf, you can't fix it. No amount of surgery, or attempts at solutions can fix what's wrong with them, because the call is coming from inside the house.

Just like mtf, and anorexics, and any other mentally ill people, it can't be fixed. Even if they actually got what they want, it wouldn't fix them.

Being transgender is not a mental illness. Although the Republicans who are obsessed with trans people do seem to be mentally ill.

Perhaps their mtf stands for Magnetized Target Fusion.

From which there is obviously no recovery.

ALTHOUGH - passable drag queens might offer incels a "halfway there" refuge. Someone who looks feminine, but isn't physically a woman underneath it all (which would cause the incel to panic.)

Have they tried this?

As has been pointed out, if incels merely wanted a blow job and/or the 'girlfriend experience' they could pay for it. I'm far from an incelologist but what they appear to want is elevated status in the eyes of other men via the acquisition and parading of a trophy. It's still a transactional view of relationships, but it's difficult to see what consideration the trophy gets from such an arrangement since these men truly loathe women on a primal level and are proud of it to boot.

Still, they'd make great fathers - -

Others who say this thread is full of gay Incels are right. Classic projection. These fucks recognize themselves in these sickos so they personalize it and it becomes about them. Good call whoever pointed that out.

[quote]'Therapy' is a con/racket, it along with psychology will be reguarded a kin to lobotomies and blood letting in a hundred years.

BULLSHIT. Spoken like someone who needs it OR tried it and decided it was a waste of time (aka I’m too smart for it to work on me).

I watched that Parkland school shooting documentary on Prime last night, and it was really well done despite its obviously low budget. It re-ignited my rage that this toilet baby is still breathing and communicating with "fans" after systematically slaughtering 17 fucking teenagers and two teachers.

Now, why isn’t Florida executing this waste of flesh by firing squad, again?

There have always been men who were too stupid, ugly, crazy, or nasty to be attractive to women. But previous generations didn't let them hide from reality, they had to serve in wars or work the family farm or conform to workplace standards of behavior … or they'd starve. There was no avoiding dealing with life's ugly realities, they had to do whatever it took to earn a living like anyone else in a world that had no tolerance for their bullshit, and they had to interact with sane people whether they liked it or not. If they didn't learn to behave like a normal person, they ended up in the workhouse or nuthouse, or starving on the streets.

But now they have the internet, so they can wall themselves off from sane people mentally and only interact with each other socially, and they have parents who are afraid to chuck them out or force them to change, because indulgent useless parenting is now socially obligatory. The internet and other social changes have made them much more toxic.

R426, hey..are you around? Wanna talk to you about something

R427 as well. Too bad we can't have private chat here. You up?

People who were community annoyances used to get pelted with rotten food or flogged in public. There were also private madhouses where you could have your crazy asshole relatives locked up indefinitely.

While I'm not suggesting these old-fashioned remedies are the optimal way to deal with incels and other toxic dirtbags, not nearly enough people are getting their asses kicked nowadays for being obnoxious morons. Instead of the pillory in the village square you end up being made fun of on YouTube and Reddit.

R435, the same individual. R387 author as well..

Answer the Bat call please

Well, you'll read this. You hang on every word I say. Writing style, phrases, word for word. You wear my life essence like a cheap incarnation at a costume ball. Donning my character in your parallel plane traipsing from thread to thread.

It's creepy as all get out. You must be in agony to not notice that we notice.

Word for word from another thread, same time last night. In a span of mere minutes you're plagiarizing my identity here. What gives? How can we help?

I'm sharing this because my precious allotted time on DL to shoot the shit has been hijacked by the feeling of attending to...

Feeling like a single adoptive parent of a special needs child of color from East NY.

That's it^ right there

Diagnosis of SNC. Axis I

R433, R440 is here. Thought you were Black Parrot #2. #1 & #2 same entity at different stages of substance intoxication.

Feel nothing but pity for you, ya damned fool

R440..you admit it. You and your LSA ilk have polluted Reddit & Youtube with constant relentless jigaboo commentary.

Can we have NOTHING to ourselves anymore?

If my special needs COC needs reminding of her creep factor.

Here's another e.g

WARNING: creepy contexts that may be disturbing to some

Reply R285 in this thread. Follow the link.

Shivers

[quote]You and your LSA ilk

I have no idea what LSA means.

Lip Stick Alley

.....

Oh, goody, a totally incoherent loon has entered the the thread at 442.

Once again, a thread devolves into two assholes arguing with each other. Thanks for ruining Datalounge.

I wish Muriel could bring back Flames & Freaks. Once a thread devolved into two assholes arguing, it got turfed over to Flames and Freaks where the assholes could continue arguing and leave the rest of us in peace by not junking up the forum with their craze.

Are you NOT in control of yourself R452 or something? Are you being forced? One only has control over themselves..not a website or property of others. Even just others

As a potential parent to you this universal law must be understood and acknowledged. Until then will refrain sending a car to fetch you

[quote]Once again, a thread devolves into two assholes arguing with each other.

I've got news for you: this thread began that way. The asshole female OP had a very definite agenda when she posted.

I'm curious to know, if say I were a straight 'incel' male, what would the ladies of Data Lounge (ie this entire thread) advise me to do about it?

Don't hold your breath. They aren't interested in doing anything other than pissing all over DL, and bitching about how awful men are.

[quote]Are you NOT in control of yourself R452 or something?

Strong words from the guy who has posted a dozen racist slurs on this thread alone.

But you're ALSO the sexist on the other side of the argument, aren't you? It's not like you haven't done this before.

What I don't understand is how you can possibly feed and clothe yourself when you clearly don't have a job or responsibilities or friends.

[quote]Once again, a thread devolves into two assholes arguing with each other. Thanks for ruining Datalounge.

What you mean is the thread didn't go the way you wanted it to go and you're dismayed at the resistance to the dull never ending man bashing, and the way we didn't all jump in time to attack a group of misguided, harmless, lonley straight men like the obedient lap dogs you thought we are.

R452, if it's any consolation, the "radfem lesbian cunts are taking over Datalounge" guy has been here for years and years, I'd say nearly a decade. He used to be on the Michfest threads saying nasty things about lesbians, and I think he's #24 on this old thread from 2010, as one example.

You're probably right about the F&F forums, though. We had a lot of people pretending to be both sides of an argument once we got rid of the dedicated forums that the troll posts would get moved to.

R465, Are you an Incel or know one and seriously seeking advice & direction? Join a gym or a hiking group and work on your physical body. Seek out a professional clothing & hair stylist. Learn to make platonic friends with women of varying ages to increase your social skills. Read books or listen to internet videos on how to please a partner in bed. Most of all take a course in diplomacy.

Charming, diplomatic, well-mannered people go a lot farther in life towards achieving their goals and making friends than those who are handsome/cute.

There's a course in diplomacy? 😂

Datalounge Academy of Arts & Sciences

What the hell is that little creature at r243??!

R433 gets to the heart of the matter. The incel experience is nothing more than envy writ large, straight out of Cain and Abel. These incels are angry that they aren't favored, and they hate everybody who reminds them of that, including the women they want and the other guys who get those women. They need vicious face-slappings, all of them.

My husband wants to know why these guys don't just go gay.

Tell him that being gay is not a choice (?)

R465, Would your husband want the kind of extremely immature, socially deficient man that claims to be a doctor or a lawyer because he mistakenly thinks that's the way to get a sexual partner? One who refuses to diet & exercise or make any real effort to improve his physical appearance because he resents the fact he wasn't born good looking and therefore didn't have the good life handed to him? Of course he'd ignore the truth that most Chads spend a lot of time & energy & money to look appealing.

"Everyone gets a trophy" mentality has had disastrous results of the total belief in entitlement without any effort.

My bf is a little emotionally immature, mostly for effect. I think he thinks that this is only about sex, and like many gay men, if you can't get sex here, then maybe you can get sex there. He wouldn't claim to be a doctor or a lawyer. He'd just say, I'll suck you so hard your head will cave in.

R468, Claiming to be a 10 in bed works more for gays than for straight women. Or maybe the former are more tolerant of extreme immaturity?

The guy in the article who slept with 50 women isn’t an incel. He just wants to bat above him s league, which is pretty common.

My husband sees a former student of his a lot through his job. The guy’s divorced, paying child support, working a low level job where he does overtime to pay his bills, lives with his mother in her retirement village condo, is overweight, cross eyed, learning disabled and has a speech impediment. I know that sounds fake, but it’s true. The guy obviously had some kind of fetal damage and was in special ed classes (that’s how my husband knows him).

He only wants to date hot women. His ex-wife was pretty, but he cheated on her, so she left and remarried a plumber who makes 💰 💰. The plumber is bald, out of shape - she doesn’t care. Between the two of them, they make good money, have a nice house, own some animals like chickens and ducks, dogs and cats and there’s a horse farm next door,

Can you see the difference? Pretty ex wife doesn’t care about looks, marries a regular guy, has a good life, sends daughter off to college. Her ex-husband only cares about looks, lives with mom and ignores plain, working class women who might date him if he was interesting in any way. He could date a plain woman, they could live together, pool their money and have a nice life. But he told my husband he cannot be sexually interested in a woman who isn’t at least an 8. He dated a woman about 3 years ago who was, according to my husband, very beautiful and sexy. She was a whack job who claimed to have been abused by everyone on the planet since she was born, No man with a good brain would get involved with someone like her, but she was hot and he was turned on.She would tell him all of her past sexcapades like orgies with athletes, lots of threesomes, etc. He liked that. She eventually shaved her head and went off the deep end and he was sad he couldn’t bang her anymore.

I mean....you reap what you sow. Sow peas and expect orchids, you’re gonna have an unsatisfactory life.

I should mention we went to the wedding of the guy and his ex wife and that’s why I know so much about them. My husband said, “This marriage will never last.” We ran into a counselor from the school at the wedding. He smiled at the couple, turned around, rolled his eyes and said, “What the hell is she thinking?”

I've known gay men who won't date anyone below an 8, R470, and their love lives are always unsatisfactory.

But gay men deal with involuntary celibacy MUCH better than these bozos, and so do women. If gays and women can't get someone to love, they fill their lives with friends and family and animals and work and hobbies and porn (or "Outlander", if straight female), and they go on with life in a sane fashion. IMHO that's because nobody ever tells gay boys that they're entitled to the perfect spouse or lover just for showing up, in fact gay boys are all too frequently told that they don't deserve love at all. And women are told that they have to earn love, to work at attracting men.

But the straight men are not only told that a subservient woman is part of the deal of just being a straight man, they're taught to regard women as a replaceable commodity. And a lot of these incel idiots openly think of women as a commodity, thinking that they should be able to get a girlfriend with food stamps or something.

r472 no woman anywhere in the west is an 'involuntary celibate', all a woman need to is download a dating app or go to a bar no matter how hideous they are. The idea of a female 'incel' is absurd, life is set on easy mode for women, and woman's socialized entitlement keeps it that way.

As for the rest of that feminist dreck I can oly laugh at it, your type wouldn't last five minutes as going through life as a man.

Why do you cunts post here on a forum filled with men when you hate us so much? Is there no stone unturned on the internet without your incessant female nagging and preaching? No one here cares about you 'poor oppressed wimins' spiel, most of us can plainly see society is poised dramtically in woman favour now.

R472, You're so right. I can't see gay men on an internet site complaining endlessly that super hotties wont's screw them, and how entitled they are just for having been born. Nor do I believe gays from 1 - 10 don't all know how much effort, energy, skills, and $$$$ it takes to maintain a very appealing appearance.

Would gay men take an expensive & super cheesy course on how to give silly pick-lines to hotties in bars? I'd think they would have much more self-awareness and common sense.

R473, If a woman wants just to get laid it's almost effortless no matter what she looks like. That's because most women are looking for something more from a man even in 2019.

r475 exactly, and to then have the gall to attack and belittle lonely men who have no such options as 'incels' 'creeps' etc, while their entitlment drives them to expect/demand more than their worth while constantly playing the victim. They're fucking pigs.

R474 You would be wrong on all accounts.

R473, I think homosexuals have an intrinsic understanding of potential sex partners that straight men do not, most gays and lezzes are in pursuit of someone who is enough like themselves that they understand that their potential fucktoy is a human being with feelings not unlike their own. And women are socialized to turn themselves inside out to understand men's feelings, while the reverse is not true, certainly not with straight men.

Even normal straight men will assure each other that it's impossible to understand women or to please them, and that even trying to understand what their wife wants is wasted effort. I've heard this first-hand, frequently. Of course these incel bozos don't even get to the point of dismissing women's feelings, they think women are something they should be able to buy like they buy porn.

Oops, I meant to address R474. R473 is on "ignore".

[quote]And women are socialized to turn themselves inside out to understand men's feelings, while the reverse is not true, certainly not with straight men.

Such piss poor trolling, you don't post the literal opposite of reality in order to get a rise out of people, that's just crude and lazy.

Although I have noticed the perma-victim 'spoiled little rich girl' type feminists do genuinly believe stuff like this, not from personal experiences of course, they just regurgitate what they've read online.

R465 for the same reason your useless appendage/tinymeat could never get hard enough to fuck any girl.

Stop answering Triumph the Wonder Troll’s posts. Everyone should get it by now. Your opinions are fine...for him to poop on.

R482 this thread is nothing but unhinged psychotics. They have revealed themselves. They ARE gay incels.

R476, I think it's morally wrong to verbally attack anyone and am always calling out DL Trolls who use childish names in a vain attempt to degrade others.

However if a woman aims unreasonably high in her choice of men that's on her to deal with the results, as long as she's civil to those she rejects.

I used to be friendly to Incels I met only to be a victim of their unreasonable anger when I very politely rejected their offers of more than strictly platonic friendship. I had always made it clear from the beginning that I had a boyfriend at the time. Being Incels they were delusional, believing no matter what I said that I would want to sleep with them when I broke up with my steady man.

Had to learn that I couldn't even say "hello" to a man I wasn't interested in. Why so many women wear headphones whenever they're in public so as not to appear rude to men.

R484 everything you say is nonsense. You need to up your anti-psychotic meds, lady.

R484, I've never in my life taken anti-psyche meds. I am only taking vitamins like biotin.

Don't understand your objection to my post. Exactly how many straight nerds & Incels have you talked to in your life? Considering that my 4 older sisters dated & married intellectually & therefore financially more successful versions, I've met dozens & dozens in my life. No, I'm not exaggerating either.

R477, Why do you disagree with my post? Realize everyone's experience is very different.

I 💩 on your theories and demand you die of a female-only disease like ovarian cancer, bish. That’ll learn you.

R484, You're a classic example of the unreasonable, deep-seated anger Incels hold re all women. Have you had a restraining order put on you? Do you beat up women in real life too?

R488, Praying all women stay far, far away from you, and LE carefully monitors all of your actions. You fit the classic profile of a serial killer.

R478, You are very insightful. Thanks for your post.

R487 all your claims are bogus. Nobody "knows lots of incels" as it goes against being an incel. They have the symptoms of Schizoid personality disorder so they have no social skills or ability to be social with most people. You are clearly nuts with a questionable grasp on reality.

[quote]if it's any consolation, the "radfem lesbian cunts are taking over Datalounge" guy has been here for years and years, I'd say nearly a decade

You have no idea what you're talking about. You're so out of touch that you think it's all coming from one guy, and that the rest of us are either okay with it, or stay dutifully silent.

Fuck you.

No, fuck you Incel. It is one type of guy who infests these boards. They should always be ignored.

fuck me?

Not even with your strap on, sweetheart.

At least guys belong here.

“Lots of angry lesbian penis envy in this thread.”

Pena’s envy isn’t a thing, old man.

Go ahead and ignore the people who disagree with you; then you can't see what guys post about your bullshit.

But everybody else will.

R492, Before the age of the computer Incels existed and it was possible to interact with them through high school & college classes and certain jobs. Many were dragged to church by their mothers.

R492, Clearly you have very serious anger issues. Please get help.

R498 Running your bitch ass over with a Zamboni would make us all happy.

[quote] Pena’s envy isn’t a thing, old man.

Yes, it is. Just like angry lesbians are a thing.

And just like proper spelling is a thing.

Can't the poor dears just fuck each other?

RadFems "penis envy isn't a thing"

also RadFems "Let me tell you about autogynephilia, and MtF womb envy"

R499, Happy you're expressing your extreme anger against all women on a online site rather than harming others in real life. Please continue to rant to get all of your misogyny out of your system.

R496 thinks men have to be old to smell her bullshit.

R501, Not sure if the "poor dears" actually are capable of sex with anyone. They envy Chad and want what the seemingly easily achieves without putting out any work. Remember the rock 'n roll line, "money for nothing and the sex for free?" Like, everyone gets a trophy & praise despite achievement levels. That's what Incels expect.

[quote]Remember the rock 'n roll line, "money for nothing and the sex for free?"

No, because that's not the line. Are you a woman, or a gay man with a very feminine brain?

R503 you don't represent all women, just one big psychotic cunt.

Where are the two psychotic cunts who comprise most of these posts gone? Hopefully someone has shot them up.

I think the rageaholic lesbian has manic phases where she's awake for days on end, spinning out of control, then she crashes.

She's done the same thing in several threads over time.

Of course, there could be more than one rageaholic lesbian.....

Based on how stupid and irrational these bitches are, they are easily recognizable. None of their claims are true.

[quote][R484], You're a classic example of the unreasonable, deep-seated anger Incels hold re all women.

The hell? R484 is a woman talking about incels.

Not that she's sane because she thought the guy making a sarcastic comment (complete with a poop emoji) was a serial killer, which is just a crazy thing to say, but they're neither a man nor an incel.

I'm single and not looking, but I have done some things mentioned in the OPs article like face pulling to widen my out face, also I've done a lot of NCR - neurocranial restructuring to even out my symmetry, and if you keep going you get cheekbones that "pop" out.

I started face pulling and NCR around a decade ago when it was little known, since then Incels have taken over and some really obsessive guys have started getting the scary alien faces like the guy in OP's picture. I started it to even up my features somewhat. I found out how to do it online and it's free if you do yourself, right?

People a generally kinder and nicer the more Alpha and sporty you look. I think it has altered my features by about 20% over a decade. My jaw is better looking, my cheekbones are like Deborah Harry's now and it's even spaced my eyes slightly further apart which is impossible to do with even surgery. If I keep doing it for another decade I might end up looking freakishly angular like in OP's pic, but I've noticed there are lots of guys around at the moment who look like me.

Females butt hurt over incels instead of being amused by incel peculiarities expose their rage as belonging to a demographic deemed undesirable by society at large.

R512, thanks for the input. It's really railing against accepting that not everyone can hit the genetic lottery. A result of our ancestor's decisions in the last 3 centuries combined.

Hope you R512 aren't a follower of that crazy Brit dentist spouting that if you hold your tongue to the roof of your mouth you can correct dental and jaw alignment. You can tighten a double chin with tongue exercises or taking up gum chewing but you cannot alter bone. You can rebuild and strengthen existing bone with a few rounds of Boniva or a malfunction of the pituitary. You cannot realign your orbital sockets. Stop wasting your time and save for a jaunt in South Korea.

Thanks again R512, opened the article you mentioned above. I think they're turning Korean.

Here's a 'shopped image from the article. The tweaks needed to bring the altered self into fruition for this guy can be had for no more than 10K.

We'll get into this gullible false belief that women have abandoned en masse following later in comments with e.g.

-"Nature isn’t fair,” Truth4lie, who is half-Dutch and half–North African, tells me. “Some races are more attractive than others,” and biology, he says, determines beauty, not cultural norms.

In 1993, a 34-year-old neo-Nazi made an appointment with a Chicago plastic surgeon and murdered him, saying later in court that he was motivated to protect “Aryan beauty.” Incels tend to venerate the same European features, but they also revere the surgeons who bestow them. Only a handful are white supremacists — “stormcels,” as they’re known. Far more are like Truth4lie: not white, but convinced that most paragons of male beauty are.-

⬆We're gonna have a grand ole time dispelling these beliefs.

Back to R515. What we see here is the rejection of ones own phenotype a la Michael Jackson et Nicole Kidman. Permanent not make up but race up.

This guy hails from an area around India but his ideal with alterations belong to those uniquely common to Puerto Ricans. This universal beauty is 500 years in the making. Ricki Martin almost touches it and Jennifer Lopez is not inclusive to this group. This brand of PR aesthetics mainly consists of Basque and indigenous admixture. Perfect sculpted noses and high cheekbones. An exotic almond shaped tight eye often with black colored retinas with no discernible pupil. Strong jawline. Well delineated hair line on the forehead.

For this guy to start experiencing La Vita Bello:

Hair transplants to bring down forehead

Nose tip sculpting by Dr. speciality Middle Eastern nose

Upper and lower lid tightening removing bags & outer eye contour

Small sized cheek implants (optional)

Brows waxed and reshaped

"women are not into nice guys" - yes, they are. you're just not one of them even if you claim to be. and they can tell.

From R517 article quote.

-"Nature isn’t fair,” Truth4lie, who is half-Dutch and half–North African, tells me. “Some races are more attractive than others,” and biology, he says, determines beauty, not cultural norms."

He drank the kool-aid. Race isn't a factor. You either have it or you don't. What about gorgeous China dolls? Does their race factor in? No it does not. Wonder how Truth4Lies justifies this American's heritage. Again people, 400+ years in the making. You just can't buy this. A billionaire heiress can source the DNA, of course.

Sorry, meant black colored IRIS. Sometimes a rare shade green iris is produced in conjuction with the PR bone structure. These kinds develop a persecution complex mistaking the reason why people can't take their eyes off of them.

r448: It's a completely different discussion board. Trolls from 4chan are obsessed with DL and LSA and out themselves by bringing LSA up apropos of nothing in DL threads. It's repeated reference in this thread and the incel defending shows that trolls from that shithole site have a presence on this board and that their misogyny (typically manifesting as anti-lesbian posts/threads) shouldn't be tolerated here.

I’m sorry, but I don’t find that convict attractive at all.

So what is the standard of universal beauty today? Who sets those standards?

Star Spangled and a Maple Leaf that's who

r522 yes why would anyone on DL hate the scolding, misandrist, self pitying women?.... no clearly they must be 'incels' 'from 4chan' or 'alt right'. At least we've moved on from branding 'russian agents' at anything disagreeable.

The entitlement of women is really on display here, thinking they can come on a board for gay men and everyone must find their deluded copy paste feminist opinions new or interesting, and then when people disagree they scream and cry abuse, truly pathetic sheltered creatures they are.

Women are so used to getting everything their own way, society bending over backwards to make sure they never feel the slightest discomfort or accountability in life. Hence the demands their insane victim complex view of life be accepted on DL, gay men's space is their space, and gay issues/discussions must take a back seat to histrionic female BS. They can not ever not be the centre of attention and centre of pity and sympathy, it would kill them.

Right R522 but these outliers seek refuge here because there's no registration. It's up to us to moderate them. They converge here when they're banned from their preferred stomping grounds.

Tumbleweeds hit you on your ass here come weekends. Infested with the porno sex addicts in heat and poor blacks dwelling in poverty. None of these souls working maintenence of the status quo. Being laid up and recovering daytime and weekends you'll notice the shift. Your shallow gay man in heat coupled with angry black people with an agenda. In other words, inundated with societal outcast stagnant lazy beings existing in perpetual agony. Filthy fuckers to boot.

525, but you ENVY women for having the option of homemaker or visionary career gal. Here is why.

The world owes you a living

"Women are so used to getting everything their own way, society bending over backwards to make sure they never feel the slightest discomfort or accountability in life"

And this KILLS you. You know why, right?

I am convinced that 99% of Incels problems is the psychological mind-fuck they do to themselves. As an alternate example I present to you my rather unattractive yet stunningly wommanizing Father. At 5'6" and what I often reference to friends as a " " Hispanic George Jefferson" I knew early in life, he was cheating on my mother, left and right. The man did not come home one time, before midnight and certainly not without reeking of booze and women. His face was pock-marked from early teen acne, and in the 70's they styled his Hispanic hair as an afro. But the man knew how to DANCE. And he was a flashy dresser and utterly charmung Not unlike many narcissists ( which is probably key here) he is broadly complimentary and equally flatters the postal worker, the hotel clerk, or the gorgous, wealthy socialite, till they are putty in his hands. He is without a doubt one of the most keen intellects I have ever met, and had the balls (and ego) to stand down a literal mob of Mexican thugs to get back millions for his company. His current wife is gorgeous.

Do I sound like I admire him? I don't, I loathe him. He broke my mother's heart and beat me as a small child. We are estranged, but I bring him up to point out sexual prowess, confidence,and success, has NOTHING to do with stature, beauty, attractiveness, etc. IT IS IN THE MIND.

A Borderline personality is disabled in providing for itself. Interferes in employment, personal relationships and having a roof over your head. No consistency, forced to rely on others. Now women have an accepted excuse bestowed upon them by society. Not the disordered BPD gay male.

Just saved you buckets of time dwelling on introspection. If you had it together you wouldn't pause to compare your present disabled,weak self to females and fraus. You envy them, slacker.

R529, not our heritage. Not our legacy. You've got so much more on your plate provided by your ancestors and social class. Dysfunctional beginning we wouldn't wish on a shelter pet.

Basically a lot of self loathing minorities voicing their anguish of being born into less than ideal stations. That's all this is here of late.

R529 skeeved us all out with that visual of Papa. Eeeew

r529 You can't compare woman and sexual attitudes of the 70s to woman today. With modern woman your dad wouldn't do anywhere near as well, 90% of millenial woman would discount him immediately just for his height, he probably might have ended up an 'incel' himself if around today.

R529's 3rd world brag fail went over like a lead balloon. Ethnocentric support of illegal migrants stealing from our pockets is lost on this one. Same for the blacks blaming whitey for why their neighborhoods ensconced in litter and trash. Must suck to have inherited such legacies.

R534, in 1st world societies then and now dear ole dad would be known as 'the gardener'. The crux of the problem is incels glorifying white women. They're worshipping the white race. Why this thread is popular with WOC & INCELS.

Both camps fighting over scraps taken for granted by majority population. Both so deluded as to cause confusion in a caucasian. If only..if only it were so easy for white people amongst their ilk. Forced into a cut-throat hustling society those white people. Damaging to life perception when minorities assume your lifewalk is a cakewalk. Makes life's blows even more insurmountable due to lack of support & expectations. Please know this.

In general..broad generalization, expectations are heightened for a large percentage of white and asian children. Minorities are unaware of this burden placed upon by birth. This is why people are shocked when those who have so much more than they could ever dream of off themselves. A fascination for the have nots. The haves completely understand the dynamics.

For whites and asians, the vacation ends abruptly at the 24 month mark. Hence the real reason for the stage known as the 'Terrible Twos'. Pull back and observe.

There has been little to no general man-bashing in this thread. Incels are not normal men.

The incel defenders' point of view can be summed up as "Women should live to serve and obey men. Any woman who chooses to put her own needs and desires ahead of a man's is a spoiled, entitled cunt."

This board is for gay men AND women and clearly wasn't designed with the intention of keeping anyone in particular out or creating a fucking "safe space" for any particular demographic.

The vast majority of gay men on DL find views such as the incel defenders' as insane as everyone else does, and most don't give a shit about women posting here, as long they don't get too frau-ish or feel the need to comment in threads about gay male sex.

Sleepover parties and camping as a worldly child differed wildly by demographic. Seen it all.

White WASP, German Immigrants, Chinese middle class, Hoighty Hispanics, 2nd generation Italians and lower middle classed mixed neighborhoods. This was basically the menu prior to 14 years old.

You adapted on your sojourns within a 20 mile radius in NE US. Sun is down, streetlights lit up and you're still outside playing with the gang! Not one adult bellowing on a porch. No one is coming for you here. Such freedom. At a price of danger.

Sword cuts both ways

R539, you're out of your depth here but thanks for the filler

Where's the two manic depressive psychotics gone? Come back bitches, let's get this to 600.

Our dental cosmetics really don't stem from Hollywood..Just go back in history viewing the US. Noting american character. Not only do people not realize those aliens are just us in the future they can't grasp where American dental obsessions were born. Come on, incels!

R542 ♡ now let's bring it

R542, i wanna talk about the "aryan myth" swallowed whole by POC.

Poor Erik is a gay Incel, 28 and never been kissed.

R542, think you might get lost here

R546, go wash your bed linens. Crawling with mites

R548 this thread is crawling with maggots, like you.

Really can't stay here live. Maybe Sunday night a/catching the news b/bed

[quote]I’m sorry, but I don’t find that convict attractive at all.

He has the kind of freakish face you'd see in a cartoon character lampooning handsomeness, or in a dark but campy 70s movie dealing with shallow narcissism.

r542 Well I've bailed out of the thread. My point was these guys are harmless and I don't like everyone ganging up on them, much less the nasty entitlement of millenial women that constantly whinge and moan about everything despite society being stacked in their favour.

But now the thread has taken a wierd turn with some unkown elements entering the fray. So I'm out.

Still incels>frauen any day of the week.

[quote]they prevent each other from taking the simple steps necessary to improve their appeal and get rid of that loser aura. Quite a lot of them would be able to find a woman if they learned to bathe and wear decent clothes, if they spent a little time at the gym instead of the game console, and if they spent enough time around sane people to develop basic conversational skills.

Agreed, but back when I tried Reddit out for a while a few years ago, there were quite a few men who were giving pointers like this to other "loser" or "incel" men. There was this whole "I got your back, brother" kind of vibe and it turned up everywhere, even in cooking threads or a thread about an old Simpsons episode or whatever.

It's interesting that the more recent exposure I've had to incels on Twitter threads and occasional Reddit visits hasn't shown much of that at all. If there's any improvement suggested it's something weird like the stuff mentioned in this article, not "eat right, exercise and get a personality."

Not being attracted to blackish convicts is racist!

“Women are so used to getting everything their own way, society bending over backwards to make sure they never feel the slightest discomfort or accountability in life. “

Let me know what planet you are talking about.

Poor gay incels. Should be a law that the wealthiest super male models have to sleep with them.

Holy shit, has this thread devolved into pure insanity.

It would be both funny and surreal, if it weren't for the scarily toxic obsessions these posters are displaying...

It has been insane from post one. The fact most DLers are basically Incels is what attracts them like flies to shit.

Came back to see if this thread had evolved, but nope, still a dumpster fire.

[quote] Well I've bailed out of the thread.

How nice. After you've wrecked it, you decide to bail. You're one of the two psychotics clogging up the thread, in case you didn't realize it.

[quote] My point was these guys are harmless and I don't like everyone ganging up on them

Of course you don't like it. You are one of them.

R560 Best comment.

[quote]You're one of the two psychotics clogging up the thread,

You mean I had a view counter to established feminist dogma?

R559 Cum dumpster fire.

This article is bogus.

A major cause of incels, both gay and straight, is growing up in an all digital environment since around 2005, after smartphones. Previous generations, even Gen Xers, did not have smartphones, apps, billions of pornos at their disposal on both PCs and smartphones. In order to meet previous generations had to go outside, have some social skills to bed somebody, either casually or long term. This involved a game of cat and mouse. The hunter and the hunted. Now though kid's minds are warped by porn and supermodel perfection in media being portrayed as the only option. Males are mostly visual creatures so when they watch porn it is like it is really happening. So this warps their mind again because now porno whores are portrayed as the only option. Those born after 1990 are just fucked by unrealistic guides to relationships and sex in the all digital age. Most of them probably have no social skills. So they are 2s thinking they only deserve 10s every time.

r565 wtf are you talking about, It's clearly the women that are rejecting the men not the other way around. The 'incels' aren't rejecting women because they don't look like porn stars, the women are now happy to reject someone of similar attractiveness so they can have a brief shot at a man above them on the attractive scale. Partly because they're simply happy to be alone and wait, and partly because they massivley over estimate their own attractiveness and under estimate men's. All the data, and anecdotal, and irl observations shows this.

Rightly or wrongly it's the straight women that are causing the 'incel' phenomenon. Now what is up for debate is whether you think they're right to do so, or if you think it will cause them unhappiness in the long run. It certainly hurting straight young men right now.

Instead of spending money on plastic surgery for themselves, why don't the incels find a heavyset girl they 'click' with, sexually, who doesn't mind their horrible personality, and pay for plastic surgery (liposuction, face, tits and vagine rejuv) for HER? Bleach or color her hair, too, I guess. Whatever.

Then, he'd have his Frankenstein Stacy to fuck and parade around for his buddies, and she would have...plastic surgery paid for and whatever she was getting out of the connection prior to the surgery.

Incel poster, why not do that? Honest question.

I'd expect straight guys to be HAPPY that women are no longer financially dependent on them, not angry.

R566 who gives a shit if the girls are rejecting them. That is not part of the equation. The problem is the Incels perception and view of life that has been warped by modern life/technology. Previous generations never had these problems and girls have not changed that much. Girls have been saying no forever, that has never changed.

r569 The usual feminist spiel is how great it is that women no longer have to settle down with someone they don't like in their early 20s like in the past.

It's a completely different ballgame now, and one poised greatly in women's favour. Feminists cheer this, but the rest of us who have some empathy wonder what will happen to the guy's left on the shelf all through their 20s and early 30s until the women are ready to compromise and settle down, if at all.

r564 Good article, not sure about the pro prostitution hints at the end, but it shows anyone offereing a hellping hand to these young men gets attacked.

I'm no fan of Jordan Peterson or his politics, but it strikes me that the main reason hes so reviled by the liberals and feminists is simply because he held out a helping hand to young straight white males, who are we're told on step down from hitler and to be attacked and shunned at every level of society.

Those born after 1990 also have the distinction of being the fattest and unhealthiest generation ever. They will probably start rapidly dying out even more than the Boomers and Xers due to lifestyle choices. That is yet another problem Incels have, they are not active at all, eat nothing but processed shit, don't sleep properly, spend 20 hrs a day gaming! What a nightmare of a generation.

[quote]Hope you [R512] aren't a follower of that crazy Brit dentist spouting that if you hold your tongue to the roof of your mouth you can correct dental and jaw alignment. You can tighten a double chin with tongue exercises or taking up gum chewing but you cannot alter bone. You can rebuild and strengthen existing bone with a few rounds of Boniva or a malfunction of the pituitary. You cannot realign your orbital sockets. Stop wasting your time and save for a jaunt in South Korea.

But orbital sockets do realign over time. They either move closer together or further apart as we age. Mine were destined to draw closer, but I've managed through dozens of tiny balloons inflations behind my sinus cavity to reverse that, and even space them a little further apart. It's only a fraction of a mm but I'm happier than what would have been otherwise.

Hillary Lampers is one of the foremost practitioners on NCR inflations. She's done thousands of treatments for her patients and herself as well, and her own nearly perfect facial structure speaks volumes about how good her treatments are.

R484 capitalizes "trolls" and uses the expression "steady man." Poo Shoes alert.

R574 did you actually read all the way to 484? Wow. Ankle deep in trolls. And Miss Poo of course.

I found it repellent but insightful, R575, and it contains some interesting links. It's one of the more "noteworthy" threads on the board right now.

R576 Idiocracy was supposed to be 500 years from now but thanks to consecutive corporatist govts, it got here way sooner than that. People no longer have the ability to think for themselves or argue with the Socratic method. Now it is psychotics in a vegetative brain dead state or ad hominem attacks.

There's a difference between nice guys (sane, affable, genuinely like being around women = women like them) and 'Nice Guys' (entitled, resentful, often scary = give women the creeps) who are such a clearly defined type that they have their own subreddit:

You hit the nail on the head with your comment R578, and anyone who doesn't believe this sub-type of human exists should read the posts you linked.

I don't understand this phenomenon - are these incel types downright insane? Surely, at some point they must realize that they have severe mental problems, and that no amount of misogyny and aspiring to reach an extreme ideal of male beauty will solve their issues. As many people have mentioned before, they should go to therapy and concentrate exclusively on dealing with their problems, as opposed to trying to force others into validating them in the most bizarre, creepy and immature way imaginable.

So yes, women don't want them, but that's not because they're ugly and/or poor - there are plenty of men like that who have lots of girlfriends, and even pretty ones. The real issue here is that no one has a right to DEMAND admiration, love and desire from others from the onset, all the while describing those people as "sluts", "greedy" and whatnot, and representing them as morally contemptible sex objects who are undeserving of respect. Anyone who goes through life with that attitude won't be liked AT ALL, period. You can't expect the best from people while only being willing to give your worst in return, and then act shocked when everyone avoids you like the plague.

I also think that these people are downright selfish. Instead of spending hours whining because women don't like their unpleasant, egotistical, obnoxious, insulting and potentially violent selves, they could do something useful by volunteering in a homeless shelter, a food bank or some other charity organisation. There are plenty of people who have much bigger problems than a weak chin or a feminine nose (whatever that means), and maybe being exposed to the lives of those who face truly important matters every day, such as "how do I feel myself?" and "how do I spend the night in a safe place?", would show these incels that there are things bigger and far more valuable than themselves. It woudl also show them that, in spite of their social ineptitude, most incels have the tools to enjoy a pretty decent life - if they are willing to make an effort and use them, of course.

I'm sorry, but I find these situations downright repugnant and it's impossible for me to feel any respect for these incel people. The world is in turmoil and we're facing the real danger of world wars, economic collapse and a devastating energy and environmental crisis, and all they care about is the fact that virgin, teenage supermodels don't want them because they are "nice guys"? That is just pathetic.

R580 you are trying to get blood from a stone. None of your stupid suggestions mean anything to anybody out there. More than that, they are ignorant and absurd.

R581, why are my suggestions ignorant and absurd? Saying that these people ought to go to therapy, learn to respect others and work helping the needy so they can realize that their problems are not that big, is negative for which exact reason? Unless you have better suggestions, I would advise you to save your insults for someone else. Your behaviour is immature and childish. Grow up and learn how to contribute to a thread with something valuable, as opposed to merely barking nonsense for the sake of being a contrarian.

As others have stated, R580, the problem there is... the internet!

Any normal person would tell one of these awkward, ugly, unsuccessful guys to either get therapy or work on himself and either way stop whining, but the internet allows these guys to get together and reinforce each others' worst qualities. They tell each other that they don't need therapy and the real problem is that women are allowed to decide who they sleep with, and as with any other closed echo chamber full of crazy people, they bring out the worst in each other and the groupthink gives rise to absolutely insane beliefs. That's why these guys are becoming a minor menace to society. I mean, to the point that urging law enforcement to pay close attention to them is the way to go, as polite suggestion of therapy have failed.

Unless you are God and can make this shit happen, trying to tell some controversial group how to not be what they are is just stupid. No one is asking for your stupid opinions that will never fucking happen. You are clearly an idealist with useless ideals no one cares about.

Thank you, R584, for proving so many of my points.

If you plant ice, you’re gonna harvest wind

R469, black parrot 1 or 2?

R580 Ww

My sister dated one of these assholes for two years. They finally broke up and she moved on to marry a great guy, but Christ were we worried about her.

She chalked up the incel phenomenon to overindulgent parents and internet available porn and video games. All in all, a very millennial personality disorder.

Yes, others have stated that a few times.

Chichi's account is protected. No one can follow her, what a cunt.

Knew a protoincel. Would be late 40s. Never knew love. Envied pets. Even when this pure unadulterated love was smothered upon this person, reaction was confused. Twisted it into Duper's Delight. You just can't fix someone like this. Later on in couples counseling childhood trauma was revealed. You can't quiet that rage. All efforts were seen as manipulation. The concept of love was lost on such a soul. Actually resented those with ability to feel true love. Thought our love for others was a sucker being played. Scoring love and care later in life went unnoticed. Unappreciated. A feral cat has a better chance on this earth.

r592 What childhood trauma caused it?

R591 this was supposed to be on this thread. ~ Who has blocked you on twitter and why? WTF.

R493, a shitty mom

Shitty mom, absentee father a serial killer makes

R592 that is a great description of Schizoid Personality disorder. Most Incels seem to have it and many others. They are unable to give or receive love. Probably not even to their pets.

Watch a few vids about Schizoid Personality disorder, you will understand the Incels and many others who cannot love or be loved.

There is schizoid. There is aspergers. There is psychopath

R599 you are probably all three, right.

This is exactly the point though, millenial woman now have a ton of 'traumas' (mostly imagined) and they're treated with kid gloves, and the rest of the world has to change to accomodate their lengthy histrionic needs.

A male on the other hand has geninue trauma and pain that makes him act in a particular way and he's attacked, shunned and ganged up on as the feminists that hold the cultural capital right now rouse all kinds of hate against them.

This is why I genuinly prefer the r/GenderCritical/TERF/2nd wave feminists over the 3rd wavers. The 3rd wave libfems drive this demonasion of men in society and then pretend to give a shit about male suicide statistics, while blaming men entirely for it of course. At least 2nd wavers are honest about it and revel in the suicide figures of young men while at the same time help drive the demonisation of men that causes it. They're not two faced about it and you know where you stand with the 2nd waveers old school types.

Right R600. Goodbye

They have mommy problems