Fraus ruined Go Go Boy night last night

ITA. Since gay men are seldom welcome at Chippendales type strip shows, the hags need to stay away from gay spaces and go to their own.

It's a public place, Cunt.

Make the unwelcome frauds UNWELCOME !

Except it's not a public space, idiot R2. It's a privately owned bar and I'm letting the owner know how I feel as a longtime patron.

Frau not fraud

I don’t get the whole we don’t want them but we will let it go on.

They didn't tip well or buy drinks either and when they did queue up at the bar, at least the bartender ignored them as much as possible.

When you champion inclusivity you have to lead by example. "Longtime patron" sounds like a euphemism for alcoholic lech.

I was at a drag show in Hillcrest and one of the performers told me that guys like it when a woman’s necklace sits a top their bosoms. I think women should only go to shows and not hang out out in men’s gay bars. I saw Oscar De La Hoya outside the Lions Den in Costa Mesa, Ca in his blue corvette.

R8, at least they are in the right bar to do that. The fraus are not

Yes I have some drinks on a Saturday night, Mother Temperance R8

Exactly, we don’t want to be a safe space entertainment for your bridal shower

Women don’t belong in gay bars. PERIOD.

Well I don't know if I would say all of them but a lot tend to kill the vibe and try to make it all about themselves.

Oh and the plural of frau would be frauen. Just think men, women, frauen, children.

I condole you, OP

Thanks R16

Good for OP that he still has an actual gay bar to go to in a time where gay bars close all over the US, because no gays spend enough gay dollars in them.

I am sure there some gays who thank these fraus for keeping the lights on in that gay bar. If they don't these gay bar owners wouldn't bother with them in the first place.

This bar is not dependent on frau patronage R18

Straight women, aka middle-aged fraus, do not belong on the DL either. Yet here they are. But gay men could not post on their websites or invade their sites. The few women I know who are LSA members said they gang up on any poster whom they suspect might be a male and they get run off the thread or banned.

r19, says who. The chip on your shoulder? You seem to know an awful lot about these women. Did you stalk them all night? Kept tabs on them? How many offers did you have to decline in order to make sure you don't miss a single thing these frau do?

R9, are you an Aspie? WTF?

Fraus are FRAUDS

Team OP here.

Thank you R19 and for that matter, R their ANY gay bar closing due to lack of frau patronage?

R22, I’m just awkward.

Sorry a bit off topic, but have we DLers officially welcomed all these new incel trolls who start anti women threads right now? I think a proper presenting hole salute should do it!

I did none of those things and proclaimed nothing of the sort. You seem very angry at my annoyance about annoying fraus R21

This is the result of the bizarre new "fish friendly" attitudes of modern sisters. You have nobody to blame but yourself. In our day sisters loved men and hated fish,,,,,,and things worked out very well!

Why are you complaining though OP? You got what you paid for. Getting outraged at fraus so you can share your outrage with DL. Money well spent. Apparently.

When fraus get together in groups they get real loud. And obnoxious too. They over talk each other and even though they are in their 30s, 40s, maybe 50s, they act like out of control teenagers. Whatever their age, 30 or 50, they are too old to be acting the way they do when they get together in groups. The entitled fraus don't belong here and don't belong in gay bars either.

R30 Why does DL exist except for people to complain about trivial things? Are you new here

I think fraus are fine here. but at gay bars, ladies, give it a fuckin rest.

^ No, they are not fine here. Lez women yes, fraus, no.

Fraus feel entitled to attack and name call and are immature and argumentative. You can sense the entitled attitude in their replies and can also tell it's a woman posting because a guy would not have posted the comment.

seriously r34, re-read your post and imagine how it just might, oh a little bit, apply to the gay men who post here. In fact, I'll go ahead and admit it. It applies to me sometimes.

You are so absolutely assured in your access to a truth you have no way of knowing. Are you drunk right now or just another prick confusing his opinions with facts like Trump and his deplorables.

You sound obnoxious, defensive and triggered, R36. Also, maybe you should learn how to refer to posters with the whole R thing so people know who you are responding to.

please specify, r36. The hell you talking about, or to?

I think R36 is a Frau.

MY PUSSY STINKS!

I'm sorry you can't identify the troll making sweeping generalizations about "fraus" and asserting them as facts. My comment was aimed at R34

I can't be the only one reading R36's posts with Sarah Huckabee's face in mind.

NOBODY WANTS TO FUCK ME! WAAAAH! AND IT'S ALL THE FRAUS' FAULT!

R42 your powers of deduction are so incredibly poor. You must be drunk. Are you the OP?

Fraus have a lot of nerve and entitlement, OP. That is their hallmark character.

R44, are you sure you meant R42?

r45, the same can be said about incels. Your point? As a gay man I take my fellow fag hags (aka fraus) over those incel losers.

Yes, no fish at the beef market!

Thank God the ladies show up. Better them grabbing our dicks than some drunken, nasty old fart like OP.

The ladies tip better, since they're not on disability or Social Security, trying to spread their $10.00 allowance on drinks AND tips.

[quote] The ladies tip better,

Said no stripper or bartender at a gay bar ever.

No blacks in the swimming pool. No gays in the military. No women in the work force!

Post it on the door:

W&W r13

R49 is obviously female and doesn't belong here for the same reasons she doesn't belong in a men's bar.

R51 False equivalence. I'd say 'nice try', but it really wasn't.

Datalounge is about as gay as a Lipstick Alley is black.

Gay bars are a dying breed most gay males troll straight cock so what the fuck?

Datalounge is no longer gay? oh DEAR to the max.

See, this is one of the problems; too many attitudes like r55.

I'm with OP, as long as he's talking about groups of straight women who come to ogle the strippers, and not individual women friends of gay guys out for a drink.

Here's my experience: in Provincetown a few summers ago, I saw a (very artistic—tee hee) strip show, "Male Call" (anyone else catch it?). Evidently some sort of bachelorette party was in the audience—they had matching t-shirts—and really made their presence known, with loud running commentary and catcalls and so on. Guessing they'd been to a few bars already that eve. It didn't exactly ruin the magic for me, but I couldn't help wondering what the vibe would have been if the atmosphere hadn't been so heteroerotically charged. The sporadic straight women with their gay friends were fine, quietly enjoying themselves—and there were even middle-aged, very middle-American straight couples there—wtf, but okay. It was just these fraus whose pov took over the whole scene that irked me.

This is why gay should be underground and illegal again. So we can party in testosterone peace without stupid annoying smelly vagina.

Let gay guys into all your women-only shows and we'll talk about women at gay bars. Until then, get the fuck out.

Women go to the THE EAGLE now, for Pete's sake.

Talk about first world problems.

I truly condole you pour souls.

R62 They add wifi over there in the Darfur orphanage?

^^^It's not my fault I was born in America.

OP so true! We fags are under attack here in the US of A. Bombardment! And they think they have it rough in Syria!

Why the fuck would women want to go to the Eagle, of all places?

^^^To be annoying and gawk.

Sort of like when they show up here.

Gay bars are dying because gay men don’t want to hang out in places full of women.

Same thing on DL.

^^^YUP

No. It's Grindr, etc, R69.

[quote]I think R36 is a Frau.

women are not our enemy. just cause you didn't get laid last night is not the fault of all fraus everywhere. it might be you.

Throw drinks on them. Seriously.

Or, r74, it might be the fact that women, being women, get in the way. They kill the vibe. They have no concept of men, or what it means to be male, or what male sexuality is about in general, and they sure as fuck have no notion about real, honest, dirty sex between two or more men, or the social environs which lead to it.

And yet.......

[italic]There they are[/italic] insinuating their fat asses [italic]right into the middle of that very milieu[/italic], as if they have the right to breathe.

They definitely kill the vibe as do drag queens.

Call 911. These fraus are ruining my vibe! Send the SWAT team stat. I'll be by the door in a glorious floral caftan. Hurry! Before the ice in my drink melts!

Presumably gay bars aren't 'men only' for a reason, whether it be legal or just that women buy drinks and spend $$$ too.

That still doesn't make them welcome.

Sort of like it us here.

Fuck you R13

Not even with your strap-on, ladyfingers.

Now leave.

"Or, [R74], it might be the fact that women, being women, get in the way. They kill the vibe. They have no concept of men, or what it means to be male, or what male sexuality is about in general, and they sure as fuck have no notion about real, honest, dirty sex between two or more men, or the social environs which lead to it."

Taken straight from the Womyn's Michfest playbook.

.....whatever that means.

did r76 seriously just imply that women have no right to breathe. Bitches can be annoying, but seriously?

R85 Of course they have a right to breathe. Fresh air outside the gay bar ladies, buh-bye.

With our fight for equality, came the realisation that the spaces we used to occupy solely for us gays, now have to be shared with all.

In the same way we cannot be denied access, so to, we cannot deny.

^^^ Of course we can, just watch.

R87. Wrong. The fight for equal rights does not mean we lose what we have. That argument means that women have to give up all their access as well. No more *women gyms” and *ladies nights* or discounts, maternal parking or special consideration either.

The idea that we have to kow tow to women taking over gay spaces is specious logic on a bad day. It’s as stupid as saying that because African Americans have civil rights, white people can just run right in and take over every club they want. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

Do you even think about logic before you start typing?

you know, it's actually okay to be gay and not hate all women. It's okay.

R90. Yes, I make a great living at it. But I don’t think from a “woman’s logic” which is mostly “screaming loudly” and demanding everyone do things she wants.

This has gotta stop. I even saw a frau at The Cock (no, not the sassy British doorwoman). Obviously, she was there with her husband since they were (or at least she) pretending to be turned on by watching a bareback daisy chain; I had the balls to ask her, “What are YOU doing here?” to which she nervously laughed and her husband pretended to be into her and grabbed her ass before he said, “Oh, we like to watch.” WE? Yeah right. If she wasn’t there he would’ve been getting raw loads till he prolapsed.

R93 hilarious

R91 nobody said anything about hating all women. Hyperbole much?

r83 I've been reading the delusional weirdos on r/FtM recently and your post really resonates.

This has been an ongoing nightmare for a while now. The high-pitched chirping and squealing and over-effusiveness just kill the mood. Besides, it's not cool to fawn over a go-go boy esp if you're an eldergay.

R97. Eldergays usually tip way more. Ask the dancers.

Go go boys and male bartenders love eldergays, it's a running joke r98

Some of those boys probably feel like having a good de-lousing before showering after an evening of grasping gay uncles.

R100. Perhaps. Not everyone, regardless of their job, enjoys getting grabbed. Disrespectful behavior is never welcome. Slipping a buck into a dancer’s g-string and thinking that makes you entitled to finger his hole is way past obnoxious - it’s assault.

I usually hand the dancer $10 or $20. I don’t slide it in their g-string or jock. They usually take my hand and slide it in for me. I tend to be popular with the dancers and I have no illusion why. I’m a gentleman, I don’t drink, I tip well and I’m respectful.

The boys aren’t my type. They’re too young by far. But I respect it’s not an easy gig.

All women need to be banned from male gay clubs. No idea why these hoes were allowed in in the first place.

What do they expect R100, they shake their ass for a living

R103 Not saying they are surprised, just saying it's grimy. Guys probably dunk themselves in Purell in between dances.

The interaction between male dancers/strippers and male patrons is irrelevant here. Stay on topic. Women don't belong in spaces meant for gay men.

It may be necessary to say it again (because some of the females who are present in this thread refuse to take the hint, and want to distract by pointing fingers at male patrons) :

Women don't belong in spaces meant for gay men.

^^ Truth. The exits are clearly marked.

[quote] [R103] Not saying they are surprised, just saying it's grimy. Guys probably dunk themselves in Purell in between dances.

Bitch, please. Over half of them do more than just get groped while "dancing" afterhours. That's a fact. A lot of them go back home to their girlfriends with cockbreath.

R102 AGREED

Faaaack, loud women ruined my fucking lunch at Schlubway today!

r85 He clearly meant "be there" and was autocorrected into "breathe. "

The poster who mentioned testosterone-fueled male sexual energy was right on the money. This is something that females can never truly understand. Many men will never get there either, but it's at least possible for them.

I'm old enough to remember when saying "gay males love to fuck and occasionally romance other males, and should be allowed to do so in peace" wasn't a hate crime. But then again, heterosexual women are largely homophobic (although they would SWEAR that they aren't! How about that?!) and being so entitled that you think it's totally-like-fine to enter and perform heterosexuality in a gay space is, at best, homophobic-adjacent. Get the fuck out (also leave DL).

[quote]He clearly meant "be there" and was autocorrected into "breathe. "

NO. He did not. And it was not autocorrected. I posted it, and I mean it. Women, stay the fuck out of exclusively male spaces. You aren't wanted.

[quote]I'm old enough to remember when saying "gay males love to fuck and occasionally romance other males, and should be allowed to do so in peace" wasn't a hate crime.

^^^Loving this.

Unfortunately, women have other ideas.

About 60 % of the people at work are fraus. Every negative stereotype of them is true.

If I'm in a gay bar the last thing I want is to see those cunts there too.

Oddly, this thread has passed 100 posts and still no sign of the shrieking " you're a misogynist incel with mommy issues" troll who usually begins snapping at everyone immediately when any honest assessment of women is brought to light.

If you haven't met her yet, you will......

I know someone mentioned that they don't mind lesbians in the bar earlier up but is this true for all of you? I understand how groups of straight women coming into gawk can feel unsettling. But there are no lez bars where I live so I end up going to gay bars and I worry about it.

R115, Lez are welcome in any gay bar, sweetie.

r114 They've been busy all over the MeToo thread that's going on right now.

R117 oh good. Maybe I'll pay them a visit, explain how they shouldn't breathe.

R115 Dykes are cool x

R117 Gods that thread is a cluster fuck

Can str8 guys go into dyke bars and put the moves on the patrons? If so, then fruit bars should import horny str8 guys to put the moves on the stink-fish there! This would solve the stinkfish problem! Both should be 100% OK and legal

If more gay guys Would calmly approach the manager, explain that bachelorette parties have been banned from many gay bars with good reason, And leave, then more managers would go ahead and ban them. The issue isn’t women entering the space, it is them doing it as a group, often in costume, and often extraordinarily drunk and disrespectful. If men would just leave the bars after explaining to the manager why they were leaving, I’m sure helluva lot more managers would just ban the bachelorette parties. Bachelorette parties are also awful because you have a lot of amateur drinkers going nuts and because it’s women, they aren’t Even necessarily paying that much in terms of buying alcohol. Or they show up a few drinks in which is all they need to ruin everyone’s night

[quote]Can str8 guys go into dyke bars and put the moves on the patrons?

No. Women want special rights involving a double standard when it comes to them moving in and throwing their (considerable) weight around in a space which didn't originate for their gratification. But men aren't allowed to do the reverse.

[quote]The issue isn’t women entering the space

Yes it is.

Read upthread about how women in a gay men's space kills the vibe.

Women are boner killers, and don't belong in gay men's spaces, if only for the reason that no gay man wants to look around and see women staring at them like they're at a zoo.

Women should not be at gay sex clubs (like The Cock). It’s not appropriate... actually, it is literally the only inappropriate thing that can happen there. I’m not sure if lesbian sex clubs like The Cock exist, but if they do I can’t imagine they would tolerate a man (let alone a “straight” man) viewing the goings on under the guise of “just watching” with his spouse. No.

BTW I wouldn’t have an issue with lesbians at a gay sex club, but I honestly don’t think they’d be into it. But straight couples or bachelorette parties? No. I should rephrase above to say “Straight women”.

Not really into having vadge around in a place where men have their cocks out, either literally or figuratively.

R125 I was just talking about bars or dance clubs not sex clubs. I agree that that seems inappropriate and I have no interest in going to a gay male sex club.

Lines are blurred now. Maybe The Cock is the only place of its kind... Club Cumming and The Eagle have raunchy action late night, but I always see women there. Maybe they don’t really know about The Cock. I’ve seen groups of women turned away, so they know.

[quote]I was just talking about bars or dance clubs not sex clubs

That's right; the lines frequently blur and dicks come out at bars and dance clubs. And even if they don't, there's still going to be plenty of cruising and groping and humping, and women don't belong.

That’s true. I’ve seen dozens of dicks out (especially after 1 am) at Industry and even The Ritz, which are quintessential NYC “gay bars”. There are always fraus around too and it’s not conducive to the vibe.

If sisters would start having sex in front of the fish and order them to join in, they would flee!!!!!

Women have no fucking clue about sex.

Why would a woman want to have a bachelorette party at a gay bar? Of all the choices.

Because they think it's their personal playground.

And because all those same dumbfucks sat around watching that one episode of Sex and the City where the writers had the four women crash a gay club, and then, the script and director made the actors and extras pretend that everyone LOVED having those stupid bitches in their bar. Frau fantasy. What a crock of shit.

R114, you must have missed R27.

Weird analysis, since anyone complaining about groups of loud women in gay male spaces obviously isn't resentful that the women won't fuck them, as incels are.

This is my opinion...

Straight women - not welcome at any gay bar. I don’t think gays should bring their hags with them and all-frauen groups are even worse.

Lesbians- welcome at gay bars except the sex-type ones (like the Eagle, the cock).

In the mind of the deranged female who flies around screaming that every non-compliant man is an incel, gay men who criticize women for invading their spaces are misogynists for refusing to comply, which equates in her mind with incel behavior.

Or something. I don't know; she's some sort of radical feminist. Or maybe she's just nuts.

Or all of the above.

Insiders viewpoint here...

I’m a resident DJ at Paradise nightclub in Asbury Park, NJ. For years, the crowd at Paradise was majority gay men, with some straight women thrown in. However, as Asbury Park has become gentrified over the past few years, the club has become overrun with shrieking, screaming bachelorette parties and entitled drunk straight girls DEMANDING to know why we aren’t playing hip hop. It’s disheartening to say the least. One evening, before the club opened we hosted a benefit for a leather organization. After the event ended, many of the men in leather stayed to dance and drink when the nightclub opened. That ended quickly, as the straight girl crowd filtered in and started gawking and pointing at the men in leather like they were animals in a zoo. There is nothing more obnoxious than a group of drunk straight girls in a gay club. The screaming. The shrieking. The entitlement. I hate it.

Again, key word "group." These women who come with other women and treat us like we're there to perform for them, live up to their crass expectations. Hie thee to a Chippendales, wench!

That’s a shame. ™

Womp. Womp.

Try stopping women going into a gay bar in the UK.

Good luck with that. If you're the owner you could find yourself in trouble.

.......explanation, please.

Are there "women only" spaces in UK?

[quote] The shrieking. The entitlement. I hate it.

Not to mention the woo-hooing

It’s not misogyny to say women don’t belong in a gay bar. They belong there about as much as Pee Wee Herman fit in at a biker bar.

Establishments like gay bars are profit oriented businesses. The fact remains that if women would not spend any money in these bars no bar owner would put up with them when the actual paying customers stay away because of them. That means that these screaming banshees contribute so much financially that gay bar owners don't give a fuck about gay drama queens who complain about fish. That and the media backlash if gay bars would openly discriminate against women in a time where states make abortion illegal again.

And that's how this whole thread feels like, a divide & conquer scheme where gay men are supposed to go against their greatest gay ally group: Fag hags and "fish" who love gay shows, gay porn, and their gay friends.

[quote]That and the media backlash if gay bars would openly discriminate against women in a time where states make abortion illegal again.

Actually no... this era of abortion-bans, is the perfect time to ban women outright from gay bars.

[quote]Fag hags and "fish" who love gay shows, gay porn, and their gay friends.

Except that you're conflating two kinds of people. The complaint is against groups of straight women who don't necessarily "love" anything gay, aren't necessarily "fag hags"; they just want to see hot guys strip. With their loudness and numbers they turn a gay male space into a heterosexual space. If anything they disrespect the male-male vibe.

But you make a good economic point. Is it possible that if gay guys stay away from these places when groups of straight women come in and get loud the management will do something? Or will the women pay and tip enough to make it worth it?

R147 YUP. It's time to stop the woman nonsense and bullshit. I was a gogo dancer for a few gay bars in NYC and Jersey. Women were the most obnoxious and disrespectful. Demanding I kiss them. Flashing their boobs at me. Grab my dick. Take pictures and when I would tell them not to they became even bigger bitches. Next were the bitchy fem queens. Go figure.

[quote] Fag hags and "fish" who love gay shows, gay porn, and their gay friends.

[quote] Except that you're conflating two kinds of people. The complaint is against groups of straight women who don't necessarily "love" anything gay, aren't necessarily "fag hags";

How do you know that they are not one and the same? Do you have some magical powers that make you see each and every single of these "fishes'" backstories? No? So you do what, generalize?

Also, this one time I was at SECRETS in DC where a LOT of bachelorette parties come through. I was in the restroom and this group of girls walked in and one asked why I was in the women's restroom. I flipped. I had to school her that this was a gay bar and there was no restroom for her. She was soooo offended. Ugh.

Us gays don't own gay bars. And if we do we do a really bad job to maintain them when we prefer (Chinese owned) grindr and posing for instagram posts instead of supporting our local shops, establishments, our community.

Whining about fish in gay bars is not helping. Spending gay dollars in local, gay friendly shops and bars and showing up at gay events to support each other is helping.

This "Fraus celebrating their bachelorette parties at gay bars" shit has got to stop.

It's time we start a rumor/urban myth type of thing that if you celebrate your bachelorette party at a gay bar there will be a very gig chance that your husband will turn out to be gay.

R115 Lesbians are always welcome, including the leather bars.

[quote]The ladies tip better, since they're not on disability or Social Security, trying to spread their $10.00 allowance on drinks AND tips.

Since when do women tip ANYONE?

You might want to verify your assertion with bartenders and dancers R155. You won’t get much support. Women are CHEAP and terrible tippers.

[quote]Women are CHEAP and terrible tippers.

That's what I'm saying.

TIt for tat. The ladies never appreciated our male patronage at Charleston Garden.

I was at SWINGING RICHARDS with my guy friend at a table. Two obnoxious girls (one more so than the other) came and sat in the two other empty chairs. I was so annoyed. They kept talking about which dancer they were gonna get to sleep with them. Then asked me to give them MY singles so they could tip. So there u have it. HATE THEM.

W&W, r158.

Awful r159

The only reason the stinkfish are allowed to infest is because the bar owners feel it is profitable.

[quote]How do you know that they are not one and the same?

Don't be obtuse. Of course individual members of these mobs of obnoxious women could be friends of gay guys or whatever. The point is that that's not how they're behaving when they're out in these groups. The occasional women in gay bars or watching strip shows with gay male friends are not the problem.

WOOHOOO! SHOW ME YOUR COCK AND I’LL FLASH YOU!