Treasons We Won't Abandon Him (The Mueller Investigation Part 98)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

Treasons I Speak (The Mueller Investigation Part 84) (February 19, 2019)

Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85) (February 23, 2019)

Treasons for Redemption (The Mueller Investigation Part 86) (March 1, 2019)

Treasons to Watch (The Mueller Investigation Part 87) (March 7, 2019)

A Treasonable Amount of Time (The Mueller Investigation Part 88) (March 11, 2019)

Treasons I Have Veto Power (The Mueller Investigation Part 89) (March 18, 2019)

Treasons I've Submitted My Report (The Mueller Investigation Part 90) (March 22, 2019)

Treasons to Continue On (The Mueller Investigation Part 91) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons For a Barr Cover (The Mueller Investigation Part 92) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons to Protect Our Assets (The Mueller Investigation Part 93) (March 26, 2019)

Treasonable Interference (The Mueller Investigation Part 94) (March 31, 2019)

Tax Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 95) (April 6, 2019)

Treasons You May Leave (The Mueller Investigation Part 96) (April 11, 2019)

Treasonable Redactions (The Mueller Investigation Part 97) (April 18, 2019)

Treasons We Won't Abandon Him (The Mueller Investigation Part 98) (April 19, 2019)

Impeachment. It's not about removing Trump. We know there aren't enough votes in the Senate. It's about putting all of Trumps Dirty Laundry on TV 8 hours a day for the six months before the election. It's what the republicans wanted to do to Hillary Clinton with Bengazi but this time there are actual crimes.

[quote]In their twisted talibangelical mind, they see themselves as martyrs to this great white cause. And they will ALWAYS vote repug because rethugs promise to strip everything from everyone.

If that were the case, the Repugs could act ethically because they'd be secure in the knowledge that they'd still hold onto those votes. Don't let the Repugs in Congress off the hook. They are unethical, amoral assholes all on their own because they do everything they do knowing that they won't lose the talibangelical vote.

Do you think it changes anything if, when Mueller is sitting there before multiple Congressional committees, he is asked if he would have charged Donald Trump if he had not been the president and if he believes the president needs to be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and his answer is a resounding "Yes." to both questions?

And, since people are arguing that Jr. didn't get indicted because he was too stupid to have knowingly colluded, has the old 'ignorance of the law is no defense' also been thrown out by this illegal administration and the party that protects it?

R4 In impeachment hearings, is Trump forced to testify?

New rule: people are no longer allowed to claim that there is massive support for President Dump without evidence.

This myth has carried out too long in the media, and with one troll on here whom should be smoked out.

They insist that rural communities worship and are prepared to do battle for Dump! It’s a lie. They don’t care that much. They are pissed about the collapse of farming, steel and manufacturing. They are resentful of yet another political letdown.

The media missed their sentiment last time, and they are missing it again.

thanks op

OP - A big W W to you for posting these threads. Pure gold!

- R4

This is why the evangelicals like Bachmann are pushing this narrative about Pres Bone Spurs being the greatest Godliest president- to insulate him from attacks and during a possible impeachment. The martyrdom would be yuge. A very attack on Christ!

Fuck Romney. What is he going to actually do? Nothing. I guess, "thanks" for calling him out but do something.

Never trust any conservative, ever. Wimpiest bunch of lemmings........

MAGA Warriors!

Romney just put a very large constituency on notice regarding the morals of this putrid presidency. He's taking out the very Conservative Mormon vote.....if nothing else, they will stay home on election day if he tells them, R11. Wishful thinking on your part that there is no effect from Romney's condemnation.

More will come. Maybe not enough to convict, but we will see a trial.

Seriously, they should hold hearing after hearing after hearing from spring of 2020 through the week of the election and then schedule a vote on impeachment for the Wednesday after the election.

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Romney could surprise us. He probably won’t, but the possibility exists.

Reparations to the whole fucking country should be paid out for this bullshit administration and to the press for having to put up with Lying Sarah Sanders.

R18, he already has. He's a sociopath, so it's fun to watch him turn on the dotard and unleash the power of the LDS on his faithless ass.

Don't underestimate Mitt. He's got some brass ones in that shiny suit and he's admired in the sainthood.

The next time Sarah holds a press conference, the very first question from the very first reporter should be, "Why should we, or the American people for that matter, ever believe a single word that comes out of your mouth?"

And once again there's old Mitch smiling his snide lipless smile while Trump does his best to burn the world down, Why doesn't someone stop him, he's done so much to protect Trump and hurt anyone who opposes him yet it's like he's fucking invisible?!

When it comes to impeachment you can't really compare Clinton to trump. Clinton's big crime was lying about a blow job. Trump is guilty of massive crimes. Money laundering, tax evasion, conspiracy to commit election fraud with Russia and RICO. Clinton didn't have ties to the Russian and American mob.

Younger Trump with Roy Cohn.

They were close.

R23 Lest we not forget: a consensual blowjob.

And yet the GOP thinks nothing of a thrice-married, pussy grabbing, adult film star bangin' liar holding the most powerful office in the world. Dump cant even name his demonination and his "pastor" revealed he never actually attends church. He's too busy spending tax payers' millions on his Sunday golf jaunts to Mar A Lago.

Oh yeah. Dump doesn't pay taxes either. That's for stupid people!

R6, neither Clinton nor Andrew Johnson, the only Presidents ever tried after being impeached, appeared at trial. I do not see how Trump could be forced to appear and testify against himself without violating the Fifth amendment.

Just to keep the record straight....Clinton was impeached for LYING under oath about the blowjob. Petty.

Mueller should have indicted Jr. That the fastest and easiest way to drive Trump batshit. Not because he gives a shit about the son but because it sullies his brand.

Noam Chomsky Calls Dem Focus on Russia a ‘Huge Gift’ to Trump: ‘They May Have Handed Him the Next Election

Speaking at a forum in Boston with Amy Goodman, Chomsky stated his view that he always believed there was going to be little to no proof of collusion in the Mueller Report.

“[T]he Democrats are helping him,” Chomsky said. “They are. Take the focus on Russia-gate. What’s that all about? I mean, it was pretty obvious at the beginning that you’re not going to find anything very serious about Russian interference in elections.”

“The Democrats invested everything in this issue,” Chomsky said. “Well, turned out there was nothing much there. They gave Trump a huge gift. In fact, they may have handed him the next election. … That’s a matter of being so unwilling to deal with fundamental issues, that they’re looking for something on the side that will somehow give political success.”

More attention needs to be paid to the correlation between MAGA country and counties mired deep in crystal meth/opiate addiction.

I mean seriously. Is there anybody working in that WH who [bold]ISN'T[/bold]] tweaked out of their skull??

Mike Huckabee claps back

R18, the possibility exists that I will lose 20 pounds this summer, too.

The ‘president is infallible, his base will never leave him’ troll is really going into overdrive to hold onto that false narrative. Go out to deploraville and see for yourself.

OP, what makes you so sure they won’t abandon him? Once a few see that he is no longer as popular as claimed, they will race to throw him under the bus.

The focus right now seems to be on how Barr totally covered for Trump in that press conference. That wasn't a smart move on his part because now he's written his own legacy.

The next big moment will come when/if Mueller testifies. If it's true that he and Barr were friends, I don't see that friendship lasting much longer given what happened.

R35 I think Barr may be making himself the big fat target to draw attention from the one he's protecting. The GOP is in complete chess mode to save their "King". They will consider a win if they get Trump to re-election even if they lose a piece here or there.

A lot of how the GOP will react will depend on how much their voters are hurting economically. Did they get the tax cut they were promised? Are any farmers going bankrupt because of the tariffs? Are any farms going under because they can't get enough foreign workers to pick peaches? Is anyone in construction hurting because of steel tariffs?

Once the GOP hears back from them, that's when they might quietly start supporting a way to kick out Trump.

We are going to find out just exactly how large his base is....very soon. Once the investigations get into swing, all hell is going to break loose. It will start moving fast once Mueller testifies. All its going to take are a few hearings with key people and even a portion of his base will abandon him. The true tell will be Fox News....when they turn, its over. The cracks are already starting to show...it will either be quashed, or it will accelerate.

r35....Barr classifying his relationship with Mueller as "friend" doesnt mean what you think it means. They are both career prosecutors. They have worked within each others areas most of their careers. Being professional "friends" who occasionally see and work together isnt the same as someone you hang out with.

I will NEVER believe that Mueller just up and and wrapped his investigation in what? Some 30 days of Barr being appointed and left it in a final tidy package with a tidy bow for Congress to finish up and take Action on. Bullshit! The amount of work he did- the Subpoenas he had filed, even the fire and brimstone that he had come down on Stone- to what? Leave Trump and his and his Progeny untouched? I will ALWAYS BELIEVE that Barr and a few others exerted some final influence on Mueller, perhaps that we will never know, to get him to cave, relent, and leave us with this Constitutional Purgatory.

Chomsky declares Democrats made a big mistake focusing on Trump-Russia. What are they suppose to do? Ignore alleged criminal activity that influenced the 2016 election? Let the corruption in the executive branch slide? Treat Assange as a hero because he hacked an American campaign's Emails while conspiring with Russia?

It was the media that was sensationalizing the Mueller investigation and Trump's antics. Congress does have an oversight job.

R29, Chomsky is a gifted and famous writer. But his political opinions are not always right.

When Mueller testifies, one of the first questions needs to be phrased properly.....instead of "did Barr or anyone else shut you down ?....they need to phrase it like " If you were allowed more time, Do you think you could have closed the gaps on your "collusion" investigation ?" and see how he responds.

We need to hear from the man himself. Plain and simple.

Only 37% Approval

Meanwhile Michael Cohen keeps piping up on Twitter about all the recordings he has.

If Cohen really, truly has recordings of Trump agreeing to criminal behavior, it's Nixon time.

We will, R42. Barr testifies may 2 to the house judiciary committee, and Nadler has invited mueller to come talk.

R29, I can't even describe how sick I am of old white men bloviating. I don't care if they are supposedly on our side. They just don't get it anymore. They have failed to evolve over the last two decades and now their time is coming to an end. They can either start evolving, figure out that they and their opinions are not the sacrosanct truth they've been lead all their lives to believe they are, or they can sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up while the rest of us try to save the country from the decrepitude that has emerged almost solely from their actions.

Does anybody know what Muellers response was when asked to testify??

I have heard more out of mimes than we have Mueller.

Even if Trump had a 70% approval rating his dementia is getting worse. He can barely speak in complete sentences. I bet he's in diapers at this point.

I have to agree with previous posters, sadly, there's no way the GOP will vote to impeach, none. Trump could literally, and I mean literally, suspend the 2020 elections, impose marshal law, and throw Democrats in prison for treason, and the Republican wouldn't vote to impeach.

R49: But if the House dragged every witness in the Mueller report into open televised hearings for the next 2 years....

I am still aghast at the republican hubris to smear, harass, libel, slander, and criticize brilliant, honest, caring Democrat candidates, senators, and congresspeople then turn around in 2016 and present a roster of ludicrous candidates, followed by the election of the most unfit stupid idiot to ever sit in the White House.

What a bunch of evil, arrogant, hypocrites. No one should ever listen to or take seriously any republican ever again. They are unworthy of respect, their words are dirt.

R49 has been tirelessly grinding into everyone’s mind that trumps popularity is not weakening with the GOP and deplorables.

Fortunately for us in reality, it’s not so.

FF the “there’s no hope” troll.

I hope whoever posted doesn't mind that I am reposting your comment. I think it's too important and is spot on. Everyone needs to read it. This Trump cult is as simple as this:

Those of you who think any rethug is going to come to their senses needs to listen to Chris Hayes' "why is this happening" interview with Jonathan Metzl.

The rethugs are terrified of their white trash voters who would rather literally DIE than vote for a Democrat. Even when they know rethug policies are literally killing them and their children. They simply care more about denying black and brown people humanity and help than they do about saving themselves.

In their twisted talibangelical mind, they see themselves as martyrs to this great white cause. And they will ALWAYS vote repug because rethugs promise to strip everything from everyone.

They simply care more about killing black and brown people than they do themselves.

Thanks for re-posting that, R54, I missed it the first time.

I brought to mind the anger some people have towards those that have good pensions. Instead of supporting unions or companies offering pensions for all and protesting the taking away of such benefits, they'd rather take away the pensions from people have them. I have a pension but I paid into it throughout my career. I'd rather see companies step up rather than further stiff their employees.

The mindset that they'd like to drag everyone into the gutter rather than lift up all of us simply confounds me.

Does anyone know what Muellers respond was?

Anyone else find it very strange that through all the chaos that nobody knows if we’re going to hear from this man or not?

Nobody knows?

Is that not super bizarre? Shouldn’t that be PRIORITY ONE?

They are stupid and ignorant is the problem. They have no thinking skills. They are easily manipulated by the amoral assholes that make up the entirety of the Repug party at this point. The death of education and knowledge as things to strive for combined with religious zealotry is the Repug's entire strategy and its working. If we don't stop it, the country ends. It's as simple as that.

r56...They just sent the notice....and they just said today that they are already in negotiations for his testimony date.

If Mueller was ordered to end the investigation early, which is fairly obvious, and did not immediately make that known, he's as culpable as the rest of them. I assume he will refuse to answer a whole lot of questions when brought before the committees. He's used to taking orders. I hope he finds his way sooner rather than later or that he's been doing stuff behind the scenes that all comes out in an explosion that takes them all down, Deep Throat style.

Is there any way Barr can block Mueller from testifying?

Look, 24% of the country identifies as Republican. If 70% of those people support him we have a whole 16% of the country supporting trump. They control by fear and intimidation. We will win this

R57 It started with the glorification of guns by deplorables. Like those are the root of "freedom" and the best America can offer. But now we have entered the GOP twilight zone with the glorification of cheating and lying. and getting way with treason. It's sickening. America became a superpower by attracting hardworking people and the best minds from around the world... but all that achievement is now being squandered by the small-mindedness of a corrupt "billionaire", provincial meatheads and religious nuts.

R61, the problem is that the electoral college is currently tabulated by Russians.

[quote] It started with the glorification of guns by deplorables. Like those are the root of "freedom"

That's pretty much what the statue says.

Here's the thing. Trump is not accountable and respects no laws, customs or traditions. If we have learned nothing else, we've seen how fragile our system is because he has been willing to push it to the limits and dare us to stop him. Nothing that comes out of his mouth is true. If Mueller was prevented from subpoenaing him, he will never testify to Congress. And no, a President does not testify during an impeachment.

I have said this before but it's worth repeating: The House of Representatives acts as a sort of grand jury. They hear testimony, they investigate, and gather evidence, and then they draw up charges, called Articles of Impeachment. Now the Speaker can appoint a Select Committee on Impeachment, or the House Judiciary committee can oversee those hearings.

Once they have drawn up Articles of Impeachment, which are comparable to charges or indictments, against the POTUS, the committee votes on them, and then sends it to the full House for a vote. Once the House votes to impeach, the charges are delivered before the Senate for a trial. Not sure what their process is, but I know Lindsey Graham is now chairman of Senate Judiciary.

If there's a Senate trial, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presides over the trial. Witnesses are called, evidence is presented, and then there is a vote to convict. The President, if convicted by the Senate, must leave office. Once he leaves office he can be charged with criminal offenses by the appropriate authorities. He will no longer be a "sitting President." In order for the Senate to convict him, and run him out of office they need 67 votes. So 20 Republicans would have to vote with the Dems to get rid of him.

As long as Impeachment is cast as a purely partisan political issue it will never happen. They need to start talking about what is contained in the report. First they need to hit hard about Russian interference. Remind the public of the convictions and guilty pleas. Then they need to talk about obstruction and how many times Trump attempted to obstruct justice.Make sure the public is very much aware of the fact that Russia will do it again. They have attacked us and we have been too busy arguing among ourselves to respond to the attacks. The media and the politicians need to repeatedly emphasize that it is not a partisan issue.It is about the country. The law, and being attacked. The Democrats need to make sure this is not viewed as partisan by the majority of Americans.They need a strategy and a PR campaign because the Republicans certainly have one.

It's important to get the grand jury evidence and witness statements on the record. It is important to get everything into the official record. It is important to let Americans see, feel, and taste the distain the Republicans have for them. It is important for Americans to realize republicans sold out their country for opportunity to lick putins taint. However this turns out, Americans need to know the names of these traitors.

That was me, r54. Thanks for reposting it in this thread.

Metzl's book is called "dying of white" and I have it on hold at the library. He did a lot of research into the subject and traveled around the country asking people about their situations. His interview with Hayes was illuminating as well as sickening.

It's so weird. something like half the country, okay maybe 40 percent, will forever believe he was unfairly persecuted. The rest of us know he's a total grifter cunt, but we will never, ever convince that 40 percent. This is some civil war shit.

We will hear from Mueller at some point. Congress can subpoena him.

don't you all think everyone is pretty much locked in at this point? Does anyone think anyone will actually change their mind about anything, no matter what happens next?

It's so weird that you think anyone's buying your trolling at this hour.

R68, it's called Dying of whiteness. I just got it thanks for the recommendation.

and if we are in a world where facts just don't matter any more, is it all just force? this honestly is starting to worry me. Because I seriously don't think there are Republicans who give a shit anymore, beyond, Trump is the Messiah and liberals suck.

Just read the actual report. It’s all in there. Once we hear from Mueller we will have what is needed to make the next decisions.

But people need to read this report. Even the table of contents is dizzying.

Will we ever get to see the exhibits and related evidence? Has the AG already thrown it into the incinerator?

so let's play this out, for serious. The Democratic House impeaches, with all the obvious proof that the grifter cunt did everything we all know he did. Mitch McConnelll's Senate announces: We Don't Give a Fuck! So then he's still there and this country has pretty much announced, We Don't Give a Fuck. Then what?

This report is submitted to the Attorney General pursuant to 28 C.F.R. § 600.8(c), which states that, “[a]t the conclusion of the Special Counsel’s work, he ... shall provide the Attorney General a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions [the Special Counsel] reached.”

The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion. Evidence of Russian government operations began to surface in mid-2016. In June, the Democratic National Committee and its cyber response team publicly announced that Russian hackers had compromised its computer network. Releases of hacked materials—hacks that public reporting soon attributed to the Russian government—began that same month. Additional releases followed in July through the organization WikiLeaks, with further releases in October and November.

In late July 2016, soon after WikiLeaks’s first release of stolen documents, a foreign government contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.

That fall, two federal agencies jointly announced that the Russian government “directed recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including US political organizations,” and, “[t]hese thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.” After the election, in late December 2016, the United States imposed sanctions on Russia for having interfered in the election. By early 2017, several congressional committees were examining Russia’s interference in the election.

Within the Executive Branch, these investigatory efforts ultimately led to the May 2017 appointment of Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller, III. The order appointing the Special Counsel authorized him to investigate “the Russian government’s efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election,” including any links or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the Trump Campaign.

As set forth in detail in this report, the Special Counsel’s investigation established that Russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election principally through two operations. First, a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Second, a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations against entities, employees, and volunteers working on the Clinton Campaign and then released stolen documents. The investigation also identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.

OK....it been 2 days ...Isnt anybody going to mention the fact that Ivanka offered a proffer to Mueller ? Who was she willing to throw under the bus and who was she looking to save ? She can be an ice cold bitch...maybe she was going to give up both Daddy and Jared and even throw Junior in for good measure so she ends up with it all. Remember, through Mueller we learned Ivanka was at that Trump Tower meeting too.

and people are acting like this is a COURT OF LAW with rules and shit. This is the crucible. This is people deciding, Fuck the Constitution, fuck the Rule of Law, Fuck everything, we like our Messiah. And I seriously do not know what happens next.

goddammit, people are acting like this is the most normal shit in the world. It ain't. This is the leadup to 9/11. This is everyone dicking around while shit is actually about to take place. This is some damn civil war shit. we are not okay, this is not okay, this report is not just some damn thing submitted to Congress like the HUD budget, this is not okay. do we seriously not get this?

Twelve of the referrals remain secret.

They cannot let him get away with this. If they do, the rule of law in this country is dead. The whole premise of this country is that it is a country of laws.

This is the Founders' nightmare, incidentally. that the president is a complete cunt and nobody gives a shit, cause we are so damn decadent and stupid that we can't be bothered. This was always the thing that the constitution was most supposed to prevent.

Empires die.

Thanks for the clarification, r73.

yeah, well, Bernie Bro at r85, maybe that's the deal here, maybe we're fucked because we've all been assholes for about 50 years. Hope not. Hope we get a second chance. Hope we're about 15 minutes before the end of It's a Wonderful Life.

Elizabeth Warren is now my frontrunner.

It is also a deep hatred of and need to control women, R54.

So basically, Ivanka Trump = Cersei Lannister with a chin implant.

Love Liz. She is out front saying this thug is a crook.

We’ve been under a psychological attack for three years. We forgot that the stuff in the report is so horrible that it would mean instant impeachment/resignation for any other president once it came to light.

Liz is great. Might vote for Pete, but Liz is great. The important thing: stop being a country of, by, and for the 1 percent.

Democrats Subpoena The Full Mueller Report And Supporting Evidence

I know, MARY! But we are seriously having a moment in this country. Do we actually care about the rule of law, the constitution, and democracy, or do we not? that is actually the question right now. I'm not sure where we are going to come down on that question. Happy Easter!

For Trump voters, it's about three things: murdering unborn babies, guns and black/brown people. I recently moved from California to a very red state. Most people here are republicans and it seems they have blinders on to anything other than those damn unborn babies. This is how Trump gets the female vote of republican women. For men, it's all about hunting and protecting their guns. These two issues player to lower class, lower educated people. The race issues seems more important to middle class people who may have been laid off from a plant or manufacturing job. They will vote against their own welfare (health care, education, public assistance) just to ensure that no one murders unborn babies and they get to keep their guns and no brown people live near them.

"Fighting only the battles that you know you will win is a sure way of ensuring you lose. Preemptive surrender, in a rapidly consolidating autocracy, is permanent surrender."

You should just give up then r95. Just throw your hands in the air and blow your bangs.

Bob Woodward on Mueller Report: Now We Wait For The Tapes

Michael Cohen’s Defense Fund

Lol.

R100 One line to be immortalized on a monument someday!

Trump is frolicking in Mar-a-Lago. Those weekend excursions cost taxpayers millions. And visits by Rudy, Miz Lindz, Junior Mint and Pooh Bear, plus many others, cost!!!

Anecdotally, after 2-3 years, I’m thinking most who support Fatty are the equivalent of opioid-addicted Long Island housewives. Since they’re ALL psychologically vulnerable, why can’t they be influenced to vote the other way?

One thing we need to recognize. Trump does not have the support of 40+ of the voters. That is a fallacy that seems to sit out here uncorrected. More than 58% of likely voters say they will definitely not vote for him, including those who did vote for him in 2016. His base has not grown it has shrunk. The only way he wins again, is through fraud, suppression and foreign interference. And about 8% of likely voters are "not sure."

I will say again, the Democrats need to "package" the findings in the Mueller report into digestible bites for the public and sell it. I'm surprised that people are surprised by Barr's behavior. This is what he was hired to do. I'm surprised people are surprised that they would lie and spin this as vindication when it was really condemnation. Kelly Ann going on TV talking about how this is the worst of it and the President should be breathing a sigh of relief!

The other thing is that if the Media wanted to get rid of Trump and fuck with his support, they could make it happen. The relentless pounding they do on others, framing the narrative, heading in a particular direction, repeatedly looping certain damaging evidence they are very capable of neutralizing Fox and changing the narrative. We have to pressure them to do that.

They complain saying they're swamped with too much important news and there's so much happening, the big stories don't get the oxygen they need, and to an extent it's true. But they need to prioritize. Barr's ties to Alpha Bank, the significance of Alpha Bank, his ties to Russian businesses needs to be highlighted. One more thing: Stop being afraid of the Trumps. They're public figures. They can't sue. And stop promoting the concept that Trump's aides "stopped him" from Obstruction. They didn't. That's like saying that a guy tries to rob a bank and he's unsuccessful so he committed no crime. He was in the act of it. He would have completed the act except he was stopped. He is definitely guilty, legally guilty of Obstruction.

R104 I COMPLETELY agree. Well stated.

I wish we knew about the other 12 criminal cases that were referred out.

Someone asked why Mueller didn't subpoena Trump. I think the answer is it would have been held up in the courts and he didn't feel he had the time.

BREAKING: Susan Collins is concerned! Says the Mueller Report paints "an unflattering portrayal of the President."

R102 I've heard Deplorables whine that Dump could've gotten his stupid wall funded if it weren't for the millions wasted on the Mueller report.

Yet when I point out that million$$$ of taxpayer dollars were spent (on a Pres that crows proudly that he does NOT pay taxes) on security for Melanie and Barron to remain in NYC AND to finance all thsts involved for his golf jaunts to MarALago: *crickets*.

Putin's International Research Agency in St. Petersburg (the troll farm) were solidly behind DJT and Bernie Sanders. Mueller's information confirmed this. Yet, the cable media is still all enthralled with Bernie Sanders (even Fox News sponsored a recent primetime town hall for him). Sanders has a record of opposing sanctions on Russia.

Democrats appalled by Trump's behavior involving Russia, then exclaim, by 20%+ of them, "feel the Bern", are showing hypocrisy or know little about Sanders background and voting record.

I think a Warren/Buttigieg ticket is the way to win back our country.

R110, the media has cherry picked the most sensational aspects of the report, and glossed over other parts. But the public hasn't yet walked through it and digested it. It is up to the Democrats to start packaging the report in digestible bits and start educating the public. The report is very important, because Russian interference was confirmed. And honestly, Mueller didn't even bother to mention certain things that are sitting out here about Facebook,Cambridge Analytica, and other people who blatantly lied. He can't just go after Manafort and Gates and some Russian agents and not bring Brad Parscale and Steve Bannon or the Mercers into this. And there was so much lying to Congress and to the investigators, and some, like FLynn got busted, but others Like Don,Jr. didn't. At this point Trump and his immediate family feel bullet proof,against prosecution. Meaning they will go even further. And Trump is already accusing those behind this investigation of committing treason by daring to investigate him. He is out for blood.

The bottom line IMO is that we have to affect public opinion. Before we can initiate Impeachment proceedings we have to lay the ground work and soften up public opinion. Those in favor of impeachment believe people will be riveted to their TV sets like they were during Watergate, and the hearings will get "the people " on our side. But I have my doubts about such reasoning. All the sensational revelations are pretty much out here. Michael Cohen testified. The only"big enchilada who hasn't is Mueller himself. But I just don't see the public getting too much more excited about hearings so we have to prepare them the same way you do advance publicity for a superhero movie. We need "tracking polls" to determine what we need to do and where and how we need to do it. We need the Pro impeachment forces who have deep pockets to get involved.

NYT: A Darker Portrait Emerges of Trump’s Attacks on the Justice Department

R111 completely agree. I love her passion. I love his common sense decency. It would be refreshing to bring sanity back to the White House. I’m seriously burnt out at this point.

I could see either Warren or Buttigieg at the top of the ticket and either as VP. I agree it’s a strong governing ticket, but I wonder if Harris isn’t poised to consolidate more support and turnout from the major voting blocs needed to win.

Most conservatives couldn't care less about Trump's lack of morals or ethics. As long as they think he's doing everything in his power to fuck over liberals he could drink piss straight from a whore's cooch on live TV and they'd still support him.

To the poster up thread, Barr can prevent Mueller from testifying as long as Mueller is an employee of the Department of Justice. While Barr suggested he had no problem with Mueller testifying at his hasty Thursday morning press conference, he’s likely to employ a strategy that delays the process or otherwise plays it as much into Trump’s favor as possible.

Speaking of testimony, the Democrats should consider securing either one or two members or a hired lawyer to do the majority of the questioning. The stakes are too high for five minute rounds with every backbencher trying to get their moment. We need a clear evidence and testimony gathering congressional investigation (in the Judiciary or a select committee) that uncovers and sets forth its findings in a clear and accessible manner to the American people.

Bring in each Mueller witness. Post the video, with relevant clips, online and through social media. Pull the damning quotes. Build a narrative. Sell the narrative with every member in every interview. The next 18 months are a great time for Americans to learn about the longtime criminality in Trump’s orbit. Have the public braying for impeachment before the election.

R116 I agree so many or just out for owning liberals. My guess is its a hard 35%. However we can still win. I don't think much will change with impeachment...as long as 35% of the country get its new from right wing radio and Fox they won't even hear the evidence.

Rick Wilson:

The most striking part of the last two days is how Donald Trump and his allies are acting like losers, more aggrieved, bitchy, and petulant than ever. Somehow, “total exoneration” sounds like less like a win and more like a whine.

Mueller didn't interview Mike Pence. Interesting.

I do think that Barr cut Mueller's investigation short. Mueller was in no way ready to finish. There are still too many loose ends. But Barr is his boss and had no choice, IMO. I would love to hear from the other members of Mueller's team, not just Mueller.

But how will we be able to elect Democrats when the voting systems have been hacked??

I truly believe this has been happening in FL for twenty years. I don't know how we can fight it. I mean, I can go to visit the supervisor of elections in my county and ask what that office is doing to prevent election fraud, but I won't be able to tell if anything is actually being done.

So many Republicans have gotten rich here in Florida by getting elected to public office (through all the interesting perquisites that go with it -- yes, I'm looking at you, Rick Scott) that I'm in despair that anything here will actually change. I attached the video of Clint Curtis and his story of voting machine code tampering for an illustration of just how long this has been going on here in Florida, and nothing's changed since then.

So tell me again how we're going to vote this fucker out.

I've been in the ITMFA camp since January 2017. (Impeach The Motherfucker Already) However, the more debate I hear the more I lean towards just letting Nadler and the House bury President Horseshit in investigations through 2020. Destroy him with evidence. An endless parade of facts and testimony explaining in clear, simple messaging why the President of the United States is a traitor and a criminal.

As he keeps reminding us, Michael Cohen has tapes. If he's got one thread of evidence catching shithead agreeing to criminal activity....

r95, they don't give a flying fuck about unborn babies. They want to enforce God's will as stated in the Book of Genesis: "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." In no way do birth control and abortion on demand fit into this scenario.

Call me crazy but I believe those 12 ongoing cases are pence (inaugural), junior, parscale and others we have discussed. One is also cyclops stone.

They have been handed off to DC but since round Billy runs the DOJ, he's probably trying to reign those in. The state AG'S need to get that info and run with it.

Even if they don't prosecute the fuckers, leak some of the info so this doesn't get buried.

Bernie is Russian Dirty too. So sick of him being portrayed as "pure".

Mike Huckabee: "April Ryan threatened my daughter's life!"

April Ryan: "Don't EVEN try it!"

I hope Susan Collins shakes herself to pieces that lying sniveling cunt.

Rick Wilson said we need a reality show style candidate who can punch back at Trump during the debates. Any ideas?

Ana Navarro....Cardenas. She is a RINO, but I bet she'd happily jump on a ticket to flay that POS. OK. I know that's impossible, but she is wonderful. If you aren't following her on Twitter, you should.

I think Elizabeth, Kamala,and Amy are tough and smart enough to take him on. I think Biden is only witty when he's scripted. I think the ticket we may end up with is Biden and either Elizabeth or Kamala, because Biden may very well not finish his term. No, I'm not suggesting he will die or get sick,I'm suggesting he might serve for two years and deliberately step down to allow a woman to become President. It's a pipe dream of mine.

R130, I can't think of a more patronizing way for a woman to become president. But, then again, Biden is patronizing to women, so...

What we need is a racist, total social conservative to rise in the GOP. Yes, this is typical but here is the other part. This person needs to be completely economically liberal. I'm serious. Deplorables have been killed by GOP economic policies as have all of us. They will never let go of their abortion obsessions, their gun obsessions, their fear of anything other than white. But they do not favor conservative economics. I know these people. I live in a very red (though hurtling towards purple) state. We need to chip away at them over this. If they had a candidate (and I would pray they lost) who ran like this, was charismatic, and espoused social conservative/liberal economic views, even if they won, it would be a landslide for getting liberal economic polices enacted.

R110, please post a link showing Bernie colluding with the Russians. I really need to see that. I had no idea.

R116/r118 has to be the same “his base will never leave him” troll that just keeps at it. Why bring that point up every dozen posts or so?

r133....google TAD DEVINE..one of Bernies campaign heads.....that will illuminate everything you need to know....he was Paul Manaforts partner in the Ukraine...and helped orchestrate the election tampering there. I think its coincidental that after years, he leaves Bernies campaign a month before the Mueller report drops. Then theres Bernies trips to Russia, and his refusal to vote for sanctions.

Ok so there is no link? Did you dream it?

r135....Are you an idiot, or just lazy ? You obviously have an internet connection....LOOK IT THE FUCK UP YOURSELF....We are not your secretaries or tutors..... Its also been discussed extensively in previous threads, been mentioned in court filings by Mueller, and he was even mentioned in the Mueller report.

I apologize...I just realized you are either a Berniebro or a troll because if youre not, then you are too stupid to live.

Tad Devine INNOCENTLY found his way to Bernies campaign DURING RUSSIAN INTRUSION. Nothing to see here...move along.

I didn’t see in the report that Bernie colluded.

R135 blocked for sheer laziness and stupidity.

Who doesn't already know by now that Davine was Manafort's partner?

R130 Lollipop Guild President!

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They keep quoting poll after poll where Trump has about 40 percent. I am not surprised because so many people are completely ignorant.

I will always look on cowardly Mueller with complete disdain. He sees our country going down in ruins, yet Mueller refuses to come to our rescue.

R129, How about Marc Cuban?

The Trump administration just lies about everything...like Kellyanne insisting Thursday was the best day in Trumps Presidency. Or Sanders insisting she nor the President have ever lied to the American People. Of course thanks to Mueller, maybe it was the best day for Lowlife, Trump. Honest to God, both of those ladies expressed those ridiculous opinions.

Kelly looks like she is dying, I hope that is true.

I flipflop between wanting the Democrats to impeach in hope of get rid of him or waiting it out til 2020 in hope of a Democrat becoming President. Neither scenario is a sure thing. Either way it's a gamble and the Republicans know that the ball is in the Democrats court so they don't need to do anything.

Sarah S is such an amoral piece of excrement. Wow. Fuck off you satanic bitch. Busted flat out lying then has the fucking audacity to go on morning shows the next day and get huffy.

But that is a typical conservative.

So many trolls out in full force. That means something's coming. I can't wait!

Michael Cohen needs to release every tape he has.

Speaking of tapes, WHET Omarosa?

Trump & his golfing guests, including the voluptuous Miss Lindz.

Let the bitch be huffy, R146....her lying and complicity in this fuckery is now a matter of historical record and established fact. She will never live it down. The name Huckabee is now equated to LIAR

What picture would you put next to the GOP in the dictionary to convey the decay and rot? The Crypt Keeper?

Just a giant, steaming pile of human excrement.

I think that is the anger with all this r146. There is no consequence to even a government employee. No shame. No integrity. Yet she continues in her position. Why is she still taking taxpayer salary? She’s a liar.

The Constitution being eaten away by paper mites.

What did the released/redacted document say about the Pee Pee Tape?

r156....its been discussed already upthread or in the last thread....yes there is a tape.....heres a thread about it.

Those poor pee pee girls. Putty Poop probably silenced them.

I love the response to Cohen when he was informed by the Russians..."we stopped the flow"....

I have a lot of relatives who are Trump haters. Nothing philosophical. THey just hate his personality. They love to see him mired in scandal. But now with this report out, all they're talking about is the Huckabeast. "Did you see how she lied about lying?" Well fuck me. We have known for sometime she was a chronic liar. I'd much rather see people start honing in on the critical information in that report but the media drives discussions and the people who hate him still hate him,and the people who support him still support him, and we need to reach with people in the middle who a re not watching the news every night for five hours, about the offenses he committed not Huckabeast. The way it's being handled the media is trivializing the Report.

No one here is unaware of the big fat elephant in the room, R160, but thanks for the reminder.

The Huckabeast is our distraction from the frustration of not seeing all of them marched off to federal prison.

I'm with Woodward and await the tapes.

Now Barr is an admitted accessory to obstruction:

Barr is a filthy Turkish toilet.

Barr is making a target of himself to draw attention from Trump. That is the only explanation for this clumsy and filmsy cover up for the Mueller Report that he knows would never hold up. It just bought Trump a little more time while Barr created a buffer of lies and misdirection around the Report. This is how Team Trump works. They commit their crimes in public view and dare you to call them on it. It's bully tactic by amoral thugs.

That's my impression, too, r164.

Barr is trying to draw some heat from fat Donnie but it isn't going to work.

Whatever happened to Rod Rosenstein? Do the Russians have dirt on him too?

I think he did it because the Clown made him do it, r164. Whether or not the Clown thought it would draw attention away from himself is another question.

R167 Barr voluntarily took the job specifically to thwart the Mueller investigation and its effect on GOP/Trump at whatever costs. He's just daring the Dems to do something about his own obstruction of justice. He obviously think the Dem leaders are too chickenshit.

Dems are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Pelosi in a week or two will say "vote Trump out" and "try him within the statue of limitations, as soon as he's not POTUS"

I think its too early to see if the Dems can field a strong candidate but Biden, Warren and Sanders are way too old and not strong in my opinion.

Dems ignore the blue wave that enabled them to regain control of the House at their peril. Those voters didn't vote in droves to give Dems the majority in order for Dems to punt on impeaching Trump - regardless of what the Senate does. The Mueller report has made it as clear as day that Trump is unfit to occupy the White House. If Dems don't get busy holding hearings and issuing subpoenas ASAP - fuck this "we'll think about it tomorrow" bullshit - it's their own voters they'll be sacrificing. I don't know why the fuck they are so terrified of voters who never voted for them and will never vote for them, when it's their own voters they risk alienating if they display political cowardice instead of true leadership over the criminal-in-chief.

R170 Dems always default to defensive posture even when it's time to attack. Someone should tell them impeachment will excite their own base! Their problem is they have no faith in their own liberal base, even while whining about Trump's stupid base.

The Dems will never start impeachment hearings against Trump because Nancy Pelosi has already all but put it "off the table again".

Adam Schiff doesn't want impeachment hearings either.

Wow. Yet another new low for the POTUS:

In times like this, I return to my mantra: "NO WAY BACK FROM THIS, NO WAY BACK." I mean it in terms of Donald not likely getting a public redemption period, but I also have to believe we (on the whole; idiots will always get attention) can be smarter in the future.

If the Democrats want to escape voter ire about not acting against Trump, then they need to place the focus where it belongs.Squarely on McConnell,Graham, and Barr. One of the reasons we won in 2018, is because people detested the Senate leadership so much as well as the House. We hated Nunes, Jordan, Ryan, etc.etc. Well Ryan is gone and McCarthy is a cipher. If I were Pelosi I'd say it out loud. We are more than willing to start an Impeachment investigation, hold hearings and draft articles of impeachment. But we know that the Senate will not act. They will block us,stop us,e tc.We need the Senate. It's that simple. And it happens to be true.

Exactly. Get the Senate's nuts and ovaries in a vice!

Je suggère que nous passions au français, la langue de l'esprit et de la diplomatie. Allons avec le maire Pete et menons nos affaires en français.

Eloquent

You're a troll if you don't have faith in the Dems. Fuck you. This is an extremely tight political game they must play. The stakes are sky high. No time to gamble. They have to get a strike the first roll. They will. Give them space.

The official investigations are just starting in the House. They are getting his financials now. They'll have his taxes soon. They'll get the unredacted report soon. They are calling both Mueller and Barr to testify. And, Trump is losing his shit more and more every single day. These investigations are what lead to impeachment. If they take the next year investigating the shit out of everything, they can impeach him right before the election and have the Repug candidate on trial during the election with indisputable evidence. That last part if very important because they can't risk it being played off as a political game. They need concrete, indisputable evidence that's clear enough for the Trumptards, in the country and the Senate, to be able to understand and not excuse.

Remember, we've only had the House for three months and the Repugs dragged their feet for a month in getting the committees up and running, so we've really only had two working months. It takes time.

R180 Thank you. The trolls expecting the Dems have the power to snap their fingers and get results are delusional or actually, doing their troll work.

You all better be thankful we have ONE party who believes in all things America at this point. Of course, that is the Democratic Party.

I know these investigations take time but I really want them to impeach him by the end of the year. I'm afraid they would be too afraid to do it in 2020 as it's an election year.

R182 That's why the GOP is doing everything they can to delay and obstruct the Mueller Report. If the Dems don't decide on impeachment soon... they will be stuck with this cheater and liar going into another election. That is the best case scenario for the GOP. You can bet the GOP will cheat and lie even more in 2020 because their fate depends on it. They have placed all their bets on Trump... they are dead if he loses and the deplorable spell is broken.

Trump will be done whenever Fox News turns on him. Right now he’s money in the bank

unfortunately at every turn so far Fox has been able to wiggle and spin the truth. Since Mueller followed OLC policy and did not indict Trump on obstruction of justice and since he cut Trump/his family and associates slack whenever possible to appear fair, Fox can claim "there's no evidence of collusion and obstruction so this was all a witch hunt that is over". That is the message they're selling. Even though it's clear from the report that collusion did occur as well as obstruction. If we had had the Democratic version of Ken Starr in Mueller's place, a lot more people would have been indicted. Even with the extreme fairness Mueller showed, Fox is still claiming the investigation was highly unfair and partisan. So we've now learned that Democrats don't win when they play fair which is why I want the House Dems to play hardball. Fuck the repubs who don't extend us the same courtesy. I cannot wait until Trump's taxes are revealed.

My biggest concern is Barr will (or already has( interfere in the other ongoing investigations. Only NY state is independent from him. We don't know if any of the other investigations filed any indictments before Barr got there but I hope so. I wouldn't put it past him to block any new ones now. We know he's that fucking corrupt and immoral

R185 You can bet Barr will interfere and obstruct as much as he can by abusing his power in his passive aggressive way. That why the Dem House has to investigate him and keep him on the defensive for as long as he is in office until he is removed. It's a chore but it's a must when you have someone so diabolically biases and amoral heading the DoJ.

R185, I hear you. But this is what I don't get. Does Barr really have the power to stop an investigation into criminal wrong doing if a Grand Jury and the court are overseeing it? I think not. So if Mueller protected the investigations by empaneling Grand juries, then we may be OK. And if the FBI believes there is criminal wrong doing, or has reason to suspect criminal activity it doesn't need Barr's permission to investigate. I think Christopher Wray would protect the FBI.

[quote]and if we are in a world where facts just don't matter any more, is it all just force? this honestly is starting to worry me. Because I seriously don't think there are Republicans who give a shit anymore, beyond, Trump is the Messiah and liberals suck.

Facts do matter, as Mueller's report - blacked out bits especially - shows. Trump wanted to shut down those facts from the word go; and hired Barr to rush Mueller's 'conclusion.' If facts didn't matter, Trump wouldn't lie so much.

The 'Messiah' drivel is sacrilegious even surely for atheists. Easiest thing in the world for someone of influence to list the seven deadly sins Trump embodies in full - more facts - and suggest his diabolism. If Trump doesn't embody the banality of evil, no-one does.

I'm more shocked at those that thought Barr was going to act independently. DUH he all but had FIXER stamped on his forehead! Dems need to go on the offensive against these criminals.

Barr = fat, dumpy, piece of shit.

They need to impeach Barr, then Trump...Trump needs to publicly spoil himself when he realizes his 'fixer' can be removed.

Her mission is to protect Trump, Barr, Kavanaughty, etc. What a lady.....

Rudy is making the rounds of Sunday shows, claiming that Trump was "framed," Mueller did a terrible job and Don McGahn is reprehensible.

Look. We know what Rudy will say. What I want to know is who is getting in his face and challenging his assertions? I'm not talking about "disagreeing with him" I'm talking about getting in his face!

I think the Democratic message ought to be the Truth. They need to say they are more than ready to start the process toward impeachment, but they are running into a brick wall because Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Graham, are blocking them.

Then specifically say that they believe Trump broke the law and obstructed justice, but even more important the not only did Trump's campaign under his direction, cooperate with the Russian interference in our election, but that he has taken $500 Million out of the Homeland Security budget to try to combat the interference in 2020. His administration has done a very inadequate job of dealing with cyber attacks.

The punchline is there's no way anyone should get away with this. I think most people hate to see someone they know is guilty, actually get away with a crime.

They need that British guy who interviewed Eric Prince to sit down with Rudy. He would be completely flummoxed!

I could see Buttigieg / Warren, but that's mainly because I've always loved how great Warren is as the "attack dog," just like how Biden was for Obama. Biden said the thing we all thought, but that Obama couldn't say if he wanted to win. Warren could be that same person for Buttigieg.

Meanwhile, an armed vigilante group has been detaining immigrants at the border in New Mexico...Dogs listening to their master's voice.

R197

America has gotten so racist and mean, I am thinking we just need to be destroyed...but not by the lowlife Putin. Someone with a better character should destroy us...like Canada or Mexico.

Why does anyone but Fox have Guilliani on? He is a real dirtbag.

[quote]America has gotten so racist and mean, I am thinking we just need to be destroyed.

America was always racist and mean.

You just didn't have as many people emboldened to share it as they do now with this President.

Stop generalizing, R201. It won’t do any good.

Someone released the video of Robert Kraft the day after a judge refused to release it. They are selling it to the highest bidder. Thank god for good people!

The media could confront Rudy, and other camera hos like Miss Lindz, with their contradictions, spin, and falsehoods. Some, such as Dana Bash, swoon over Rudy rather than pressing him to justify his outrageous claims and absurd propaganda.

The media needs to report the facts, and not entertain for ratings and show those silly debates between hired, washed-up pundits.

Trump actually encourages people to be small minded and cruel.

I got smugly told I am wasting my time fighting Trump since both parties are corrupt and that the problem is so many people pointing fingers at each other. I thought the past few years showed there is a big difference between the two.

Bothisiderism is a Russian propaganda tool.

Resist it. How many Russians do you hit when you swing a Democrat? 0 When you swing a Democrat since 1990? O

How many Russians do you hit when you swing a Republican since 2015? The population of the city of Minsk.

How many Republicans are desperately trying to remove Russian influence from the 2020 election? 0

How many Democrats? EVERYONE

Both parties are not corrupt.

Someone at my job hit me with that bothsiderism nonsense the other day. This was after complaining about how much she and her husband had to pay in taxes this year. I pointed out that she had the Republican Congress to thank for that and she went right to the "but they're all corrupt". Of course she's a typical suburban frau so her "both sides are corrupt" mantra could just be her cover for the racism mentioned in the Metzl book and referenced upthread.

[quote]America has gotten so racist and mean

More racist and mean than when we lynched black people for imagined offenses?

What we're experiencing now is just the last gasp of a dying hegemony. The death throes are painful and unpleasant, but we're going to emerge into something much better. (I don't have a clue how long that will take, however.)

R209, I keep thinking about it in comparison to the advanced cultures of Europe. They are thousands of years old. We are a little over 200.

Starting the process of impeachment and keeping the spotlight on trump's illegal and unethical actions is the best things Democrats and our allies can do for the country right now.

trump & co are destroying our institutions and corrupting the legal system and rolling back protections as quickly as they can. There is nothing more important now than preserving our democracy and the rule of law.

Getting rid of trump, McConnell and their ilk is priority number one. if Democratic legislators can manage to make progress on other issues, great, but we all know that repukes will block anything they can so the main focus needs to be on exposing their crimes outvoting them.

Please excuse the typos above.

"Swinger" Roger Stone is broke. He's giving a speech at a Richmond, VA strip club to earn some cash.

You could have asked, "But weren't your taxes LOWER under the other corrupt regime?" r208.

Thinking Mike Pence replacing Trump will be some kind of great leap forward, one could be sadly mistaken. He won't show Trump-type rhetoric and antics, but his views are quite primitive. Denying and reversing gay rights has consistently been his prime mission in the name of his religious doctrine.

If Impeaching Trump Is Pointless, Then Bipartisanship Is Worthless

Former Congressional Intern...

Any new info from your sources?

Rosie is being quite brief.

[quote]Stop generalizing, [R201]. It won’t do any good.

R202, you'll get along better once you realize that Trump didn't "create" anything. He simply played on what was always there.

And of course you went for the tweet accepting that rather than the tweet saying he made it happen.

Sorry to tell you this but there's a lot of bad people in this country and they've been here for a long time.

See: R209's comments.

Remember that one person who said very early on in one of these early threads that “Trump will die in prison”?

for the posters who think that the Senate voting not to remove Trump from office would backfire politically on Democrats, don't you think it could backfire politically on repubs? If the House Dems put on a show during hearings to air out all the evidence with testimonies from Mueller and multiple witnesses (some of whom were in the Trump administration), it would be damning. I think seeing and hearing it on tv would move the needle more with the public and show just how awful Trump is. Then they'd back the House impeaching. If the Senate chose to keep him, it would only encourage more voter turnout in 2020 against them

Impeaching Trump for obstructing an investigation into his campaign's collusion with Russia is nowhere near the same as impeaching Clinton for lying about his affair

Pelosi is holding a press conference Monday.

I think the House will eventually do the right thing after exhausting all other options, to paraphrase Will Rogers. Investigate the living shit out of Trump and company, then impeach the motherfucker after the evidence has been laid out on national TV for weeks.

R221 I think Pelosi is just gonna stall... announce more investigations and demand full Mueller Report and its supporting evidence from DoJ. It will end up being a game of delaying the inevitable from both sides, waiting for the clock to run out (i.e. too close to the election).

Reporters who do interviews are always cowards and they never confront these assholes with the truth. Why do they never confront Lindsay with the truth? Most people think he is being blackmailed and it is not just me.

Tramp's daughter was called upon for the church picture show...how much did he pay her? She looked awful, I am sorry to say.

"House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) said Sunday that Democrats "may" take up impeachment proceedings"

I think that's a sign of something happening behind the scenes. Didn't Schiff say before that they weren't going to do hearings? But after the Mueller report has had time to sink in, now they seem to be heading there.

Even if Republicans don't say anything publically, maybe they're telling Schiff something privately.

Pelosi may be waiting for the Southern District of New York, to come up with something?

Mueller is a cowardly douche.

I’m all for the Dems holding impeachment over Trump’s head until he strokes out bigly, preferably over the summer.

[quote]Pelosi may be waiting for the Southern District of New York, to come up with something?

LOL

R227 I do think Mueller should have been more forcefully in his conclusion. He wording was often speculative when he could have been direct. There was no need for him to word things in deference to the office when the occupant is an unrepentant criminal suspect who continues to this day to obstruct justice through his cronies. Mueller's saving grace was that he was very methodical in analyzing all the charges against Trump that could be tried ether in the House or after the presidency.

R230 Yes! Agreed!!!

Gross hypocrisy

[quote] I think Pelosi is just gonna stall... announce more investigations and demand full Mueller Report and its supporting evidence from DoJ. It will end up being a game of delaying the inevitable from both sides, waiting for the clock to run out (i.e. too close to the election).

R223, Completely agree.

Elijah Cummings laid it all out:

First they want to talk to Barr again because for some weird reason they think that will do some good or that he'll magically start telling the truth.

Then they want to talk to Mueller.

Then they want to see the results of their investigations assuming they even get everything that they're asking for.

They're delaying this as much as they can while pretending as if impeachment hearings wouldn't take quite a long time by themselves.

R233- The Barr thing might be more about boxing him into his lies. Mueller's report didn't give him any wiggle room and they gave the Democrats a lot to play with.

S.E. Cupp, conservative CNN anchor and commentator, turns on Trump and calls for his impeachment.

Rudy Giuliani should show up on her show and try to argue.

R231 Mueller has the forbearance of a saint for not producing a more scathing condemnation against someone like Trump who tried to derail, obstruct, and obfuscate Mueller's investigation and the subsequent report every step of the way and still has every intention to continue to gaslight the nation with the help of the corrupt GOP until 2020. Maybe Mueller just doesn't appreciate the rot this corrupt individual has brought into the executive branch and the DoJ. It's not about just determining charges for collusion and obstruction, but about rampant corruption at the highest level of government. Even if he felt it was out of the scope of his investigation, when the corruption directly attacked the integrity of his work and stymied its progress, Mueller should have every right to condemn it and prosecute it in retaliation.

R235 Cupp calls DJT "unfit", but does not call for impeachment.

(correction)

was Pence's role and knowledge in the transition team mentioned at all in the Mueller report?

Doubting it, R238: The scope of the Mueller report was strictly limited to Russian interference, Russian connection to Trumpito and obstruction of justice.

On the other hand, we have no fucking clue who the 16 referred SDNY defendants are, do we?...

The Southern District of NY is part of the Justice Department headed by Barr. Barr can meddle with their staffing, funding, and other methods of interference.

By now, they should be more advanced with indictments and prosecutions. Is that staff timid, inept, hamstrung, lazy, or what? Some productivity needs to be seen.

Cupp saying "he's got to go" is about as close to impeachment as you can get without saying the word. It's a waiting game now to see how many Republicans in Congress decide whether Trump can weather the storm...or not.

This Easter, all the President's cronies are hard at work cleaning up his stinking pile of shit.

R240- I think Barr is less likely now to try and fiddle with anything. He would have had an open field to do just that if he hadn't made that statement where he came off as Trump's personal lawyer. But that statement has got him ham-strung now.

Trump impeachment hearings would be the best thing on TV.

Don't look at me. I'm headed out on a two week cruise.

See ya suckers later...

[quote]The Southern District of NY is part of the Justice Department headed by Barr. Barr can meddle with their staffing, funding, and other methods of interference.

Hoping one of the first things House Dems do is to demand that Barr recuse himself from any and all SDNY TrumpRussia cases.

Those of you talking about how the Democrats are just stalling and not going fast enough...do you remember that they have literally only had the power to do anything for a little over two months and just got the redacted Mueller report a few days ago? They do actually have to make a case, with strong, indisputable, hard to spin evidence. That will come from the hearings and all the information that they have been subpoenaing for the last two months. Nothing is instantaneous in government, especially when you are dealing with the level of absolute corruption that is the entire Repug party at this point. Stop pushing for things to go fast and just pay attention to how much is actually happening.

R246 he'll either refuse or not give an answer. What can they do other than demanding? I mean it will make him look bad but he's shown he doesn't give a shit

If Barr stonewalls on recusal the House could do two things in response:

a. start impeachingment proceedings against Barr (granted, extremely unlikely)

b. defund the Justice Department (also highly unlikely).

*impeachment proceedings. Crikey.

R247 The Dem leaders have been saying impeachment was off the table since they won the House. Not wait and see, but a flat no. That's why people feel they have to push. By pushing and demanding, the Dems will know there is support for impeachment from their base! And repercussions if they don't.

R251, no, they haven't. They've been saying that until they see all the evidence and until there is any chance at bipartisanship even in the House that it would be futile. They've always said it depends on the evidence and, right now, we have the attorney general hiding the evidence. What do you think all the subpoenas and investigations are for? Shits and giggles? This is a legal proceeding. You have to do it the right way.

R252 If you believe all the equivocating, I have a bridge to sell you. Good luck waiting for the GOP controlled government to hand over the "evidence". They will stall and obstruct until the end of time if they could. Subpoena is only as good as the spines of the Dems and we know how spineless they could be. The Dems will keep changing the goal post until the cows come home.

He is rather strange......

Democrats should inundate Fox “News” with interview requests. Go on Tucker, Hannity and Ingram, and don’t let them talk over or change the subject. Stay in their face. They’d freak out because they can’t debate on substance. Suddenly all these liberals would be on Ma and Pa Kettle’s TV making sense on real issues.

R253, you really don't know what you are talking about. They've had two months. You are a troll.

R255 if they do that, Fox would just cut off their mics and end the interviews saying "look at these unhinged, angry Democrats with an agenda". No matter what we do, Fox will find a way to spin shit

Fox needs to be taken out. How do we do that with the fairness doctrine gone?

NYT: Barr Is Full of Shit

That’s all I think about r258. Either jamming all of Russia’s in or out internet traffic (impossible) and shutting down Fox. They’re doing it in increments, between Donna Brazile and other Dem contenders doing town halls, and AOC going to Kentucky, but they need a Southern rural strategy to combat the constant onslaught. And certified deprogramming techniques.

I've sprinkled my former boss' (sparse) information throughout this thread lately by not specifically saying it is from her. She is crazy busy with the redacted "report" coming out. Have faith in the Dems. Whatever they decide know they do it because there is a shit-ton of evidence to support impeachment or not. They have a ton of tools to work with. Let them sort this out. They are the true patriots.

Thanks R261.

"Have I missed Trump’s tweets about punishing Russia for conclusively interfering in the 2016 election, or about a bipartisan plan to protect our election system from Russian interference going forward?"

Trump keeps blaming Obama for supposedly not doing anything about Russian election interference in 2016, but what the hell is he doing about it now?

Thank the great grey owl in the sky r261.

Kick their flabby Republicunt asses!

R261 ♥️ Thank you!

R263 Speaks truth!

I'm R261 and forgot to tag myself. I am glad you all figured out it was me (like it was difficult but who knows how many newbies we have).

The Dems are working hard on this my former boss said. Trust Nancy. Trust Schiff. Trust Maxine. Trust Nadler. There is so much more going on behind the scenes non of us know about. It is why Pres Bone Spurs is acting more psycho than usual. It is why Rudy was frothing at the mouth over it all. It is why the GOP is silent.

Dems are very dismayed at the total rot within the GOP. They are a bit stunned. They knew it was there in the Freedom caucus on the House side. There are some truly vile, anti-American reps who are GOPers. We just thought there were some good ones. Newsflash- Romney is not one of them despite his statement the other day.

Have faith! We will win this.

Darn ^^^^^ I'm FCI.

Tulsi Gabbard: Mueller report found 'no collusion took place,' Dems shouldn't push to impeach Trump

"the conclusion that came from that Mueller report was that no collusion took place. Now is the time for us to come together as a country to put the issues and the interests and the concerns that the American people have at the forefront, to take action to bring about real solutions for them."

R270, yes, and the real concerns that the American people have at the forefront is that there is a mad man in the White House who is destroying our country country.

I thought I Read that a lot of Mueller's hand overs to the various jurisdictions went through the courts and grand juries. If that's true, they may be out of reach,andBArr won't be able to do too much. Not sure. Someone with superior knowledge can correct me.

On one hand, I would like the House Judiciary Committee to tell Barr to pound sand and cancel his hearing because his testimony isn't worth the time as he will do nothing but lie for the president. On the other hand, I would like to see them tell this to him in person in front of the Committee. I'd like to hear them ask him about his statements and how they are different from what was actually in the report. Ask him if he is representing the people or Trump. Put his corruption front and center on TV for all to see.

R273

I want Mueller to go before Barr. Then, there will be a truth out there to hold Barr to or throw at him and see how blatantly he'll lie.

Doesn't Bill Barr look like he could be the lovechild of Fred Flintstone and Elton John?

(with apologies to Fred and Elton).

Barr is a complete and total asshole. He should be in prison with Trump.

There are corrupt Democrats but the entire Republican party is corrupt, down and dirty. They are deplorable.

R227 These soulless old white men practically dare you to put them behind bars. They think they are so above it all.

I went to Easter dinner at a friend's house and everything was fine until one Republican outed themselves and said that "ALL politicians lie".

Thank god it was after dinner because I said "I know many politicians and the ones I know, do not lie".

Next thing out of my mouth was how lovely it was and that I had to go.

I was triggered out the door...

R280 Or they don't lie 24/7 even when there is no reason to! Trump is wore than a pathological liar. He an existential liar. He lies therefore he exists. He only exists to lie.

r276, you are right. I was thinking Fred Flintstone and John Goodall, but Elton John is even better,

r280, I just got off a cruise. The people next to us were talking on their balcony. They were mean spirited and racist. No wonder they love trump, he has really legitimized people like them.

R268 are they working on outing Barr for having fired Mueller and ending the investigation prematurely?

Thanks FCI! Not sure how we will get past the embedded evil in the GOP before 2020 but your post made me feel a little better.

I will believe it when I see it. Show me you got spines, Dems.

[quote]These soulless old white men

Watch it, you are on DL.

FCI do you live in Union Row?

Tulsi's chaos agent nonsense would be cute, if it wasn't working in some lesser circles.

emptywheel:

The Mueller Report does not include the investigation’s counterintelligence analysis. It says that explicitly. The most significant thing that doesn’t show up in this report is whether Trump was undercutting the investigation as a favor to Russia, reportedly one of the concerns Rod Rosenstein had when he first hired Mueller. This report does not explicitly treat that concern, at all.

That’s most evident in the way the report deals with Vladimir Putin in the post-inauguration period. The report itself invokes Putin at least 163 times, often describing the many different efforts to set up a meeting between Putin and Trump. But when Trump actually started meeting with top Russian officials — and Putin specifically — the report gets quiet.

If anything, new details released in this report provide even further reason to think Trump obstructed the Russian investigation to halt the counterintelligence analysis of his ties with Russia. But the report itself doesn’t ever explicitly consider whether that’s why Trump obstructed this investigation.

I'm sure there's a lot going on behind the scenes, but what I want to see is more focus on the Republicans. Right now too many talking heads are talking about what the Democrats are or a re not doing, and no one seems to be calling the Republicans out. That needs to happen. I know behind the scenes Nancy is talking to Republican House members, and Schumer is talking to Senators, but I think there needs to be a huge public blast at them too. Media needs to start harassing them with questions. If Graham realizes the votes aren't there and his colleagues start shunning him, he will cave. He's a nasty little whore but he knows when the writing is on the wall. In fact he may be the one to help Trump cut a deal and resign. If Trump did resign you can bet Graham would be on the ticket with Pence. Of course he'd have to cut Nicki Haley to do that.

The media giving airtime anymore to Rudy Giuliani, Kellyanne Conway, and Sarah Huckabee Sanders, is absurd. They lie over and over. The media is no better than they are when they are knowingly and deliberately exposing their audiences to repeated flagrant lies.

As a trained journalist who got out, it's obvious to any of us that no matter what the reporter thinks, the spin masters are conservative assholes in all the media outlets.

I left when they allowed the monopolies across all media outlets.

You cannot have a debate with lies. To give these liars a platform is outrageous and wholly against journalistic standards and ethics....there is no fairness or equality when they refuse to even address the issues brought up and continue to spout propaganda.

Since I've been accused of being a defeatist troll on this issue, can R52, R53, or anyone else show me any evidence that Trump's base is abandoning him? I haven't met a single Trumpette Asshole IRL who has turned against him. His polling is down a bit, but it hasn't crashed the way it should have. His loyalist primitives are still supporting him. That doesn't mean there's no hope. I have every reason to expect that a solid Dem candidate will destroy the fat OrangeShitGibbon, but that doesn't mean his base will have turned away. They'll still be there no matter what. He's their guy, their Racist in Chief.

[quote] I was thinking Fred Flintstone and John Goodall

Or Fred Flintstone and Jane Goodall ...

Dump's "approval" rating is 41.6?!

Wow.

For now. Wait until more shit hits the fan. The fickle public might like him less. Again.

His approval rating is much much lower than that.

BREAKING: President Trump and his private business are suing House Oversight and Reform Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) to try and block a subpoena requesting financial records from the president’s accountant.

R296, Really? I saw a poll yesterday that said it slipped down to 37%. But even that’s only temporary. These people never turn away from him no matter what.

Our best chance is to get a few of the “loves Trump but knows nothing about politics” types and give them a white male candidate that fits their narrative of religious family man. Even if Trump croaks, they’d still be running against Pence.

Those people are never going to vote for a woman, they see women as too weak. Get him out of there and then spend eight years deprogramming the cultists. A lot of them are easily led sheep and they just go with a winner.

Rick Wilson:

"We're super innocent and totally on the up and up and not trying to hide Trump's real financial shenanigans."

R298 I'm R296 and I'd heard it was down to 37%.

Shocked to see almost 42% but I know it must go down!

Reuters has it at 37%. They are usually on target.

Trump's base is approximately a third of the electorate. They are not abandoning him. Another 8% to 10% are "softer" Trump supporters, of which a portion of them could flip on their own or persuaded to reconsider based on new developments.

Democrats must produce a good candidate that generates wide appeal and enthusiasm. Voter turn-out is critical.

Security analyst Asha Rangappa:

[quote]Congress not beginning impeachment hearings sends a double signal to foreign countries that they can interfere with our elections, and as long as the candidate wins he can obstruct any investigation into it and no one will do anything 👍🏾

RCP average approval 43.5

[quote]NYT: Barr Is Full of Shit

How I wish the NYT would have the guts to use that exact wording in a banner headline.

Speaking of full of shit......

[quote] How I wish ......

Wouldn't it be interesting to know how many of the 59,000 posts in this series of threads came down to wishing for something. how many were hating somebody, and how many were praising Mueller.

So juvenile ...

FINALLY, a reporter gets to Mueller.

We need to see more of this.

R310 15K retweets and 60K "likes". Utterly delusional!

R311, yes!!!

R311 well Mueller is a Christian do not completely sane

You know, even Stevie Wonder and Andrea Bocelli can see that Mueller was discouraged and thwarted during his investigation.I can absolutely see Rosenstein telling Mueller that "Trump is a half step from shutting this down and we have to be really careful." I want you to do your job, but do it carefully. Mueller knew going after the family was verbotten. He knew insisting on a subpoena for Trump was not going to happen without a huge time consuming fight. But it is absurd that andGates are indicted, guilty pleas, convictions, etc. and Flynn lied to Congress (just like Don,Jr.) and they a re getting punished yet Trump walks away? Nonsense. Mueller has been operating with a hammer over his head since he walked thru the door. He knew very well the kind of pressure McCabe and Comey were under. He knew what people inside the DoJ were saying. I think one day the truth will come out about the internal workings with Rosenstein and Mueller, and eventually Barr. But Rosenstein is probably thinking about how he saved the Mueller investigation.And maybe he did.Because it' s pretty obvious Barr was the one who shut it down. Barr probably told Mueller to give him a "final report" within 30 days. And he did.

Never forget, Mueller and Rosenstein are Republicans. First. Last. Always.

Love that the reporter was fearless and even though it was church, he had a right to try to get answers given the situation.

Remember that R315 is a troll. Always.

the media is going to focus a lot of attention on Trump's taxes and rightfully so. It'll be fun seeing him freak out about this. Eventually 1 committee will get them

Trump is totally losing his shit today.

STROKE OUT, DONNIE T! Mummy’s waiting!

R319 I don't want him to die. I want him to face consequences for the crimes he's committed throughout his life. Nothing would be more glorious than to see him behind bars in a few years

You have a stroke you don't necessarily die. Maybe you sit drooling in a wheelchair for a few years. While Melania screws the bodyguards right in front of you.....

[quote]STROKE OUT, DONNIE T!

Pics please.

He is really off his rocker today. Not exactly the behavior of someone “fully exonerated” or “winning.”

A stroke that would that cause him to live his life in the manner he mocked the disabled reporter would be poetic justice.

The media can deliberately drive him crazy. Seriously. And if they're smart, the Congress & the media will be pressuring Jared and Steve Miller at the same time.DriveMiller out into the open,callhim the"shadow President"and the "Puppetmaster"and Trump will go after him with an AK 47.

Questioning Mueller as he's leaving Easter service and getting into his car is an annoying way to be approached. Of course he's going to say "no comment". He's to testify before Congressional committees, then he'll speak guardily and to his script. Doubt he's the type that will be full of surprises. He won't be any kind of Trump cheerleader such as Barr. Mueller will be matter-of-factly.

^guarded, not guardily

They'll have a public hearing for him, and hopefully a closed door session so we don't have to hear him deferring on the basis of national security regarding the redacted portions of the report. I hate that it would happen and more than likely will.

From where I'm standing, this is ALL about our national security....release the report.

Washington Post: Trump sues in bid to block congressional subpoena of financial records

^^Trump is behaving like someone who is guilty as fuck and has something MAJOR to hide!

MSNBC Criticized for ‘Ambush’ of Robert Mueller After Easter Church Service: ‘Disgusting and Rude’

MSNBC’s man-on-the street style reporting on Sunday is more commonly found on celebrity websites like TMZ. And while the network may have been looking to burnish its “truth to power” credentials, the moment was panned online with many on the right and the left criticizing the aggressive approach taken just after church services — with some wondering why the left-wing media organization didn’t get in Mueller’s face before the conclusion of his investigation.

“It’s always a good look for a media outlet @MSNBC to go and ambush someone on his way to church especially Easter service,” Fox Nation host David Webb said in response to the video.

“This is probably not the best look,” noted author and liberal columnist Molly Jong-Fast.

“This is very gross. Don’t do this,” Vox senior correspondent German Lopez added.

whatever lol being a journalist isn't about being polite. A Mueller sighting is like spotting the biggest celebrity on the planet right now. The reporter decided to shoot his shot and I'm not mad about it.

I loved that Mueller couldn't figure out how to get into his own car. It all makes sense now! LMAO!

AP: Trump 'not even a little bit' worried about impeachment

NYT: Pelosi Cautions on Impeachment as She Decries Trump’s Ethics

I can't find it now, but I read this morning that 20% of Bernie supporters have declared that if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, they'll vote for Trump. I don't know what kind of bullshit this is, but I do know Bernie supporters that sat out the last election.

This is the type of thing I don't understand. WTF, people.

Melanie is looking chunky around the middle. Maybe they are having a pity baby so noone will want to throw them in jail.

R336 we can't base it solely on those idiots. The key will be to get more people who stayed at home in 2016 to come out and vote. 2018 imdterms was a positive sign as more liberals tend to sit out those. I expect even more to show up in 2020

R325 great idea. TIME cover: ‘Steve Miller: The Real President’

do we know if the press has been trying to find out who Trump might be having sex with? We know he and Melania aren't doing it. We also know he's never been faithful. I think it would be interesting to see what kind of younger woman these days would be interested in being his mistress given how physically repulsive he is combined with his despicable personality and behavior/actions. Trump's ego is far too big to be celibate. Even though he likely can't get it up anymore he'd try.

Old, fat, entitled, white "law and order" guys like Trump and his supporters always tell minorities that if you don't have anything to hide, let the cops pull you over and search you and your vehicle. If they don't find anything you go free.

Same thing applies to this fat asshole and every other old, rich white guy who thinks he's above the law: if you don't have anything to hide, let them look at your taxes. The fact that you're screaming like the whiney little bitch that you are only means you have something to hide.

Exactly, R321. I want him to stroke out and suffer twice as long as he’s made us suffer. I think eight years would be a nice number.

^perhaps this, r340

I saw that article too last week, R336. It quoted some woman who said she would just have to vote for Trump if it can't be Bernie, because burn it all down, escalate the problem, etc.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

Lots of Capitol Hill types live in Union Row, whoever asked about that upthread. It’s also in a really fashionable/hip part of town. So, I would not be surprised if FCI lives there.

Sen. (Moscow) Mitch McConnell advises to 'move on' from impeachment talk.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) on Monday hit back at calls from some Democrats to start impeachment proceedings against President Trump, saying it's "time to move on."

"Well, look, I think it's time to move on. This investigation was about collusion, there's no collusion, no charges brought against the president on anything else, and I think the American people have had quite enough of it," McConnell told reporters in Kentucky, according to NBC News.

McConnell is one of 14 GOP senators, some of whom were members of the House at the time, who in 1998 either voted to either impeach or convict then-President Clinton on obstruction charges.

Impeachment proceedings would have to be initiated in the House. If the lower chamber passed impeachment articles against a president a trial would then be held in the Senate, which has successfully never voted to remove a president from office.

Investigate his and his flat-asse'd wifes Russian connections, pls.

^^Of course that is Mitch's response. I wouldn't expect anything more or better from him.

Wasn’t Mitch discharged from the military for sodomy?

Is there anyone who relishes being despised more than Mitch McConnell? It honestly just feels bizarre to me that an actual human being could thrive so openly and enthusiastically on such cruelty and indecency like he does -- it's like oxygen to him. He's a straight up happy-to-do-it Cartoon Bond Villain. He ALWAYS manages to find the grossest thing to say in every circumstance -- it might be kind of awe-inspiring if it weren't responsible for ruining our country and political system.

That's been rumored for years, R349, but it's never gotten any buzz or traction. Supposedly the senator he had interned for a few years earlier arranged a bogus medical discharge and got the sodomy charge expunged from his record.

Mitch McConnell: another example of old, fat, dumpy, rich and entitled white men behaving badly without suffering any consequences. Why is that?

[quote]Is there anyone who relishes being despised more than Mitch McConnell? It honestly just feels bizarre to me that an actual human being could thrive so openly and enthusiastically on such cruelty and indecency like he does -- it's like oxygen to him. He's a straight up happy-to-do-it Cartoon Bond Villain. He ALWAYS manages to find the grossest thing to say in every circumstance -- it might be kind of awe-inspiring if it weren't responsible for ruining our country and political system.

He is resplendent in his cuntiness, not unlike Star Jones or Donna Mills as Abby Ewing.

He is a prick!

I will never ever forgive Mueller for his Republican ways...how could anyone be so cowardly in the face of so much wrongdoing. I despise Mueller.

I think I saw Chuck Todd yelling at Guilliani yesterday...or was I dreaming.? I want to see Guilliani dead on a slab.

Hanging by their necks...lined up in a grim display of justice. How many could be line up as traitors to our country? The entire administration is packed full of criminals and we know the Trump family, should be put out of our misery...the photos would be fabulous!

The human race is pathetic...we elected (supposedly) this criminal clown into the White House and now over in Ukraine, they voted a moron into office! Humans are simply, silly, idiots.

Was Muller getting into an entry level Nissan? I mean, no offense, it’s not exactly what I would picture.

You would think he’d either be in a black suv or if own his own time, maybe an Volvo?

"I am very healthy and I have the best memory. My dick is YUGE, and my hands, too! I am a stable genius. I know the best words. With the exception of the great President Lincoln, I can be more presidential than all the Presidents."

He couldn’t get that car door opened fast enough.

This reporter is a hero. I noticed all the right wing sites (hypocrites) complaining about the venue.

As if this is not a national crisis.

R361 as if they’re religious

We need to stop forgiving traitors. We shouldn’t have forgiven Civil War traitors. Look at the ripple effect it’s had on our history, All traitors should be publicly executed. Fuck them.

R361 Isn't it his own fault for letting liar Barr manipulate his report and not even speak up? There is a time to be a company man... and there is a time to fight for what's right... I fear he is too close to those who are corrupt to really see their evil intents and the danger in letting it go unchallenged.

Well, Evil Mitch McConnell has promised to keep being evil.

Evil is a good word for that pos. Do the right thing, Kentuckians!

The what, r366?

"Grim Reaper" sounds great in attack ads.

Just sayin'.

Don McGahn has been subpoenaed. No wonder Trump has gone off the rails.

That’s exactly what the Democrats should be doing; subpoenaing everyone and anyone with dirt on Fat Donnie. Put the evidence DIRECTLY in front of America where Fox and Barr can’t interpret or spin it.

It's my understanding that's exactly what they have been doing since the report came out, r370. Let the subpoenas fly!

Fat Donnie can't block them. He thought no he is King and can do whatever he wants.

Subpoena his brats, too, and the shit will really hit th fan and threaten to throw them in jail for lying to Congress.

Now, now,Trump's an angel.

[359] - Muller was fumbling to get into his Subaru Forester - not a base level Nissan. It was appalling to see him being badgered by that reporter/news rep. As the Forester is a somewhat tall vehicle, Muller seems to be of modest stature - not a bad thing but he's certainly not tall.

Elder abuse is wrong. BUT, if Trump has a stroke then by God, I hope those caregivers know how to use a cigarette.

I can’t believe that msnbc reporter is catching so much flak for confronting Mueller. Is it because the media is a bunch of quivering little pussies who afraid of losing access? Mueller is not some deity or a saint, exempt from contact with the public. Sorry, bitch, but we have questions. Mueller is not the fucking Sphinx.

Mitch McConnell threatens to block everything if Trump loses in 2020

Mitch McConnell is already threatening to bring the country to a screeching halt if voters get rid of Trump.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell is threatening to kill popular legislation and policies if voters elect a Democratic president in the 2020 election.

"If I'm still the majority leader in the Senate [in 2020], think of me as the Grim Reaper," McConnell told voters in Owensboro, Kentucky, on Monday. "None of that stuff is going to pass."

That stuff McConnell is so eager to kill? Popular progressive ideas like the Green New Deal and Medicare for All, which would help to clean up the environment and provide even more access to affordable health care. Even if voters reject Trump and the Republican agenda in 2020, McConnell is determined to do what he wants rather than what the voters want.

"I guarantee you that if I'm the last man standing and I'm still the majority leader, it ain't happening," he said. "I can promise you."

McConnell’s rhetoric is a throwback to his obstruction during President Barack Obama’s tenure, when he refused to even hold hearings on the Supreme Court nomination of Merrick Garland................................................

R376 The progressive train will just roll over this sociopath.

God, someone needs to knock Mitch the fuck off his pedestal.

Mitch McConnell is a CUNT of the highest order possible.

All the more reason for voters to end his time in the Senate, r376.

Is he running for re-election? He needs to be primaries by a moderate Republican that isn’t crazy. Even a semi-crazy one is better than him.

I want Trump to stroke out and suffer for years but I think I want McConnell to have a brain aneurysm and die immediately.

I want the "Grim Reaper" moniker to be firmly affixed to McTurtle from now to the elections when hopefully he'll be heading to the turtle soup pot, not to the Senate.

R375 !

McConnell made this speech TO HIS CONSTITUENTS in Kentucky....thats what they want....thats why theyve been electing him for decades.

R384, does that mean you have me on block? I’m not a troll. I live in D.C. and have been anti-Trump since day one. Feel free to check my history.

#DitchMitch2020 #MoscowMitch

Mitch the Bitch needs to go, I hope the real Grim Reaper takes offense to his good name being besmirched and decides to take that evil bastard out once and for all.

[quote]McConnell made this speech TO HIS CONSTITUENTS in Kentucky.

If these constituents rely on Medicare, social security, any government benefits, and if they still support the Turtle, they will only have themselves to blame when he takes everything away.

"The best way to handle Dems' questioning of McGahn would be to delegate all questioning to Judiciary Committee Counsel Barry Berke. He has years of experience as a trial lawyer. McGahn won't be feisty, but he's not on the Dems' team. Whoever questions him needs to be agile."

This was the best point---the Democrats need to lose this idea of certain members getting their share of the spotlight when they're useless at questioning. Giving all - or most - of the time over to a trial lawyer sounds like a good plan.

1967 Mitch was booted out of the Service for sodomy! Had his records expunged by the Senator he first worked for.

Dig Dig Dig,

#BJslostmitchachin

Mitch is a Kentucky KKKunt

Can you imagine anyone eating out McConnell's ass?

The trolls are all over the CNN Townhall thread. They are full of right wing talking points, saying how crazy the Dems are, they just want to spend money when we have a trillion dollar deficit and huge debt, blah blah blah.

[quote]I want Trump to stroke out and suffer for years but I think I want McConnell to have a brain aneurysm and die immediately.

I want him exposed in a filthy, humiliating, repulsive sex scandal. Think ill-fitting lingerie. Think Wet 'N' Wild lipstick and Party City wigs. Think Payless pleather heels. Think ruffled rubber panties filled with Number Two.

Exactly r375. it is telling that there is only ONE journalist in the U.S. that has the guts to demand some answers to this nightmare.

Republicans treat the rest of us like we are lucky to take whatever scraps they give us of our own goverment.

I think it was a repeat show but Jimmy Kimmel just described Barr by saying it was like Trump wished his My Pillow was a real boy. Ha.

^ told you so

RCP Trump approval 42.9. Still within its normal range.

Keep holding on to that dream.

Even if he does win the election, the joke will be on deplorables. He won’t need them anymore after 2020.

He will be able to take his unbridled role as a foreign country’s puppet to carry out their bidding. He will finish off the country as per his assignment.

They will suffer the most. And will have no one to blame but themselves.

So now it’s a “range.”

CLING to that fantasy.

I think for the first time in a while that Yertle is in trouble in KY. He will pull out all the stops. But still might not be enough.

Bitch McConnell better tread carefully. Putin’s head bitch Deripaska is opening a steel mill in McTurtle’s district. If he overplays his hand. He might get slapped by the long arm of the subpoena himself.

Keep going MCConnell, it’s not like people are watching you like a hawk or anything.

[quote]I think for the first time in a while that Yertle is in trouble in KY. He will pull out all the stops. But still might not be enough.

I think, fortunately for us, the dumbass is pulling out all the stops in the wrong direction. I think Amy McGrath can beat him. It will be a war veteran female fighter pilot against a turtle. What's Mitch going to pull out? "Hey, look at my shiny new Russian plant!"? I think, if Kansas can elect a Native American lesbian, Mitch might have more problems in Kentucky than he thinks.

I'm ready for the IRS Director to be held in contempt of congress for not answering the request for Trump's taxes.

Think I'll call in sick to the office tomorrow.

I need a mental health day.

[quote]Can you imagine anyone eating out McConnell's ass?

Perhaps r394, another creature of his species? One that's confused, visually impaired, and lost his sense of smell.

Militia group detaining immigrants the border was training to assassinate Obama and Clinton, leader says

In addition to suing to block release of this taxes, the WH has instructed Carl Kline, who waved through Jared Kushner's security clearance, not to comply w/ a subpoena to appear before the House Oversight Committee.

Mitchgasm

I want to see Trump like the dude in the wheelchair with the bell on Breaking Bad. Except I would withhold the bell.

I'm ready for Carl Kline, Trump's security clearance guru to be held in contempt if he doesn't testify today. The Dems have to start throwing some of these folks in jail when they ignore a subpoena or they will lose all power.

Wow, Fox is really pushing capitalism makes for happy people and socialism makes people unhappy this morning.

R336, this article doesn't mention the Emerson poll regarding Bernie supporters threatening to vote for Trump, but it does quote several "escalate the problem" supporters who said they voted for Jill Stein or wrote in Bernie in 2016.

R410 isn’t that blatant obstruction?

Washington Post: What to do about Sarah Sanders? White House reporters have a few ideas.

Politico: Trump unleashes on the media in morning tweetstorm

I wish Democrats would do a full-on, 24/7 screaming hissy fit full of the tiny, simplistic sound bites that even the GOP could understand to decry that the sitting President MUST be held responsible for his actions. Let his approval ratings and stock market plummet. Let the GOP get the message that his baggage will not get them reelected. Then and only then will we be rid of this treasonous gritting piece of SHIT!

*grifting

Mz Lindz was on Sean Hannity last night as Mz Lindz does frequently weeknights. Now Mz Lindz is back to tweeting this morning. Mz Lindz is after Bernie over prisoner voting.

But Mz Lindz, wouldn't Dylan be voting for you & DJT in 2020 if this happened?

Pete Buttigieg was prepared and smart in answering the felon inmate question.

UGH to that pic, R421.

And I still don't understand why ol' Lindz wasn't nominated for a Razzie for the Kavanaugh hearing. Bitch deserved it.

[quote]Politico: Trump unleashes on the media in morning tweetstorm

This "total exoneration" thing doesn't seem to be working out so well for him.

Wow, he was on a Twitter rampage this morning. Pulling that “enemy of the people” shit again. He’s going to get a journalist killed.

Why are the powers that be treating Diaper Don with kid gloves?

If it were a Democratic President, s/he would be well on their way OUT.

Trump tweeted "The Radical Left Democrats, together with their leaders in the Fake News Media, have gone totally insane! I guess that means that the Republican agenda is working. Stay tuned for more!" His corruption has always been out in the open but here he's tweeting that the Republican agenda is to destroy our country by fomenting civil war and attacking his fellow citizens. What kind of madness is this?

The Russian plant in Kentucky is of concern. Is it there goal to open the US to Russian investment and turn this country into a similar authoritarian state like Putin'S? Can they be that off the rails?

Impeach now!

Please, please, please call your representatives:

I lost my mind this morning listening to CNN report that Queen Liz invited Trump for state visit in June. Given his nasty streak and abhorrent politics, why the fuck would the UK, or any country for that matter extended an invitation? The body language demonstrated by the Queen during Trumps last visit clearly demonstrated she hates him.

Obviously the source of your information was wrong, R428. Was it perhaps MSNBC? They don't have a very good track record in all matters Trump.

I heard about the British state visit too and ON FOX (which was on the radio in my Uber this morning, unfortunately). R429, are you a Deplorable? You sure sound like one.

Stuff it R429 with your “obviously” and “perhaps” bullshit. It was CNN you troll.

The state visit hosted by the Queen was announced days ago. Thank goodness the Daily Mail is there to keep us in the know far in advance of the US "news" networks.

Why do this? How awful for the Brits. Is she hoping he will be surrounded by Trump Baby balloons everywhere he goes?

And the Brits are happy he's coming.

Eric Idle @EricIdle

I am ashamed that the First Criminal has been invited to the UK. This is totally disgusting. Next Putin?

Yep, sounds like they’re ecstatic all right.

^^Fine. Trump can arrive late AGAIN and walk in front of her AGAIN.

That's what she deserves, and more disrespect, for inviting him AGAIN.

I'm at a loss as to why The UK State Visit is now going ahead again after Trump was blissfully downgraded last time. It's a deeply depressing prospect. Charles refused to meet him last time; it's not as though Trump has in any way improved, because of course he can't.

I gather HOC Speaker Bercow has done all he can to prevent Trump from addressing The House of Commons. Excellent. And there will be deep wide anti-Trump demos all over the country. It'll be high summer, and we Brits love our demos.

Hope the Trump Blimp re-appears. He'll know he's not welcome. An unenviable duty for our 93 year-old Queen. Trump is bound to stink the place up with his toxic vulgarity somehow.

The support continues ...

Mark Hamill @HamillHimself

6m6 minutes ago

Note to self: Stay far away from London Monday 3rd June to Wednesday 5th June 2019 to avoid largest protest crowd in the history of the United Kingdom. 🇬🇧 #ImpeachDonaldTrump

Cheeto orders administration to boycott this year's Correspondents' Dinner even though there's no comedian to hurt their delicate feelings

For British readers, Trump balloons of various sizes are now for sale, everything from very large to hand held size in a range of prices. Buy one now (or as many as you can afford to hand out).

I can’t link to Amazon which has better prices. But this guy raises money to buy billboards to demonstrate against Trump, like the “Impeachment Now” one he put up on the road to Mar-A-Lago, that Trump had to pas.

Here’s some lovely attire to wear to Trump’s visit:

They should put on a comedian then, R439. I bet Colbert would do it.

[quote]largest protest crowd in the history of the United Kingdom

Indeed, to join or improve on 1) Anti-Iraq war, and 2) Anti-Brexit.

Cretin Trump loves yuge numbers, so he'll attempt to spin it as as winning. Nope. Sheer hatred.

Does anyone have any idea why the OP is grayed out in my account?

QEII is probably thinking that she must meet with the head of the US from time to time, regardless of who is in the office. She's seen them come and she's seen them go.

It really annoys me that the White House Correspondents Association has decided to forego a comedian this year in response to the hurt fee-fees from Trump.

Michelle Wolff was dead-on last year and especially when she called out the media in general for being pandering whores who were salivating at the money to be made from non-stop Trump coverage. Her Aunt Lydia joke about Sarah Fuckabee Sanders was very on-point and has been borne out by the characterization of Sanders by Mueller’s report that she is a consummate liar and a sloe-eyed cunt.

This is absolutely fucking crazy! Kushner is a complete piece of shit.

OP is grayed out because the Russian and right wing trolls hit F&F on the poster and thread in a futile effort to block negative discussion of their saviour, the treasonous Donald Trump. Please W&W the thread.

As usual, Muriel does nothing about all the Russian trolls.

[quote]As usual, Muriel does nothing about all the Russian trolls.

What the fuck? I've screwed a few of them, what the hell else do you want?

You miserable worm.

QEII is a figurehead for British colonialism and the face of the City of London. She's invited the dotard because they want good relations for possible future trade deals once Brexit is done.

It's all about the MONEY.

I hope Christopher Steele (ex-MI5) of dossier fame is invited to the State Dinner. He has such a unique distinctive link to Trump.

Maybe the will old QE2 will convince the dotard that the US is still under British rule so he can't do anything without her consent.

The Trumps and the Kushners are all lying, corrupt pieces of shit.

This story NEEDS to be on the front of every newspaper in the country.

Sorry, OT. But a few threads have been closed early today. Before the 600 post mark. Has anyone else noticed this on any other threads you are following?

R444 Lots of the trolls and deplorables who have invaded DL as of late downvoted the thread to oblivion - and thus OP appears in grey. Try and upvote - we can kill off the trolls if we can get to them all.

geezzz they're all losing it

Sen. Lindsey Graham Bewilders Ivanka Trump’s Women’s Conference With Terrorism Rant

More harmful to him, maybe.

E455 As shown at the international women's conference, Miss Lindz is going through the change---menopause. She's a bit agitated. All show understanding.

Toots, that menopause train left the station YEARS AGO.

She's just a hollow, dried-up shell of her former juicy goodness.

Pres. Obama once said shortly after he was elected the first time someone from Congress said to his face "you don't belong here". He never said who it was, but I fully believe it was McConnell.

Reuters: IRS fails to meet congressional deadline for Trump tax returns

R456 They all sound guilty as hell... Even all the tricks Barr played to downplay the redacted Mueller Report have failed to slow the growing momentum against them. Mueller's Report did its job in crying out the emperor has no clothes on. People can now see the crooks for what they are. They will just get *angrier* with every lie these crooks tell in their feeble attempts to contradict Mueller's finding. They can sense the guilty desperation when Trump sues to keep his finances secret in order to hide wrong-doing from Congress. These crooks will find they can't sell their lies so easily anymore on mass/social media now that the majority of the people are on to them.

THIS....

R463 Reminder, Ben Benczkowski is the head of the DOJ criminal division and previously worked for Alfa Bank. Talk about conflict of interest.

Bob Woodward: FBI, CIA Reliance on ‘Garbage’ Steele Dossier ‘Needs to Be Investigated’

Veteran reporter Bob Woodward said Monday that the intelligence community’s reliance on the infamous Steele dossier “needs to be investigated” in the wake of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s failure to corroborate many of the document’s key claims.

Woodward told Fox News’s Chris Wallace that he was disturbed to learn that the CIA cited information included in the Clinton-funded dossier in a rough draft of their January 2017 intelligence-community assessment detailing Russian election-interference efforts.

“What I found out recently, which was really quite surprising, the dossier, which really has got a lot of garbage in it and Mueller found that to be the case, early in building the intelligence-community assessment on Russian interference, in an early draft, they actually put the dossier on page two in kind of a breakout box,” Woodward said.

“I think it was the CIA pushing this. Real intelligence experts looked at this and said ‘No, this is not intelligence, this is garbage,’ and they took it out,” he continued. “But in this process, the idea that they would include something like that in one of the great stellar intelligence assessments, as Mueller also found out, is highly questionable. Needs to be investigated.”

Congressional Republicans have long demanded answers from the Department of Justice regarding how heavily the CIA and FBI relied on the Steele dossier when deciding to launch a counter-intelligence investigation into Russian interference in the election and possible collusion with the Trump campaign. Those lawmakers, led by Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, are now focused on determining to what degree information from the dossier was used to justify the FBI’s application for a FISA warrant to surveil former Trump national-security adviser Carter Page.

Republicans have escalated their demands for transparency in the wake of the release of the Mueller report, which disproved a number of key claims included in the dossier, including the allegation that Michael Cohen traveled to Prague to meet with Russian hackers.

Attorney General William Barr told Congress earlier this month that he has formed a team within the Department of Justice to look into the origins of the counter-intelligence investigation, and mentioned the dossier specifically as a point of inquiry.

uuu a is a dipshit asshole. Why did he not get Trumps Tax Returns? Why in the world does the IRS not turn them over to Congress today? Come on! It is so sad that Democrats have no teeth at all. They are completely inept and it breaks my heart. There should be a coup but it would have to be bloody and uI am all for that. Please! SOMEONE NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING! Why are democrats so powerless?

Said by a Navy veteran

Someone said that if anyone tries to block getting this information, Congress has subpoena power but they also have the power to cut off money to departments like the IRS. But it seems the tricky part of that is you don't want to cut off the salary of clerks- just cut off the salary of the head of the IRS.

The question about McGahn---he's a private citizen so how would the WH be able to stop him from testifying?

I actually think Pelosi is being smart about impeachment. She's letting it cook in the public's mind like a nice stew. Get people used to the word being out there first ---and "impeachment" is in the headlines every day. That way, it won't be such a shock when they actually do it.

Perhaps there is a downside to impeaching Trump.

R470 That's a Russian talking point. People also forget Mike Pence was chosen by Manafort and the Russians, and implicated in all the many Russian-related scandals. He will also be investigated once Trump is out of the way. Furthermore, Pence will a lame duck with little hold over the deplorables once Trump is impeached. In fact, the deplorables and the GOP twill be completely devastated with Trump gone. You want to see these assholes crying for the asshole leader? Impeach!

Yes, Pence and Pres Bone Spurs are exactly the same! There would not no difference. None.

r469., I agree. With the tax records, Mueller, McGahn and evidence of 10 obstructions of justice, the House can and should continue to investigate as is their constitutional duty since anyone with half a brain can see Trump is acting like a guilty person and Barr clearly covered it up and is Donnie's stooge. This doesn't smell right to most and although few are going to take the time to read the SCO report (unless the unredacted version has info about the pee tapes and worse), they want the full truth to come out.

The more that comes out (and it will every day for the next year at least), Pelosi will slowly decide on Impeachment and at that point it will be inevitable.

Sadly, 50% of the populace will not understand why "obstruction of justice" is a crime especially when Trump says he was just trying to shut down an "illegal" "witch-hunt" about "collusion" so he could get un with being presidential.

A lot less than 50% are that stupid R474..

People are not very clever. The current media culture is making them more stupid. We're suppose to appalled that enemy Russians trolls "influenced" our election (they did) yet professional American media and citizens on social media are themselves trolling 24/7 with low information literacy. The sad fact is that people are easily trolled. Who is going to fix that? It will/would take a generation.

R475 you are going to be surprised. To the PUBLIC, The republicans will all toe the party line on that (made up collusion witch-hunt so who cares if Trump tried to shut it down) and they will drag their feet and be completely duplicitous, as they are now. And people believe them, since they elected them and Fox tells them it's da troof.

Contempt of congress = jail time. Start dragging trump toady asses to the f-ing clink if they don’t show up when subpoenaed or if they dont hand over documents. We need to make some examples of these aholes.

I don't understand how McGann's appearance before the house can be blocked by Trump.

[quote]so he could get un with being presidential

I think he's actually been great at getting un presidential.

I don't either R479, Trump can't use Attorney/Client privilege since McGann was not his personal attorney.

R477 They are still the minority. You give them too much credit. Trump would not even be in the WH if the Russians didn't help his campaign. His base is limited and as we know stupid. It's the corrupt GOP political/propaganda machine that is still propping crazy Trump up, still trying to make him seem "presidential". Break up that GOP machine and illusion goes away. Then Trump is done.

Report: 5,000 Twitter bots pushed ‘Russiagate hoax’ after Mueller report

Andrew Wyrich — Daily Dot

More than 5,000 Twitter bots criticized what they called the “Russiagate hoax” following the release of the highly-anticipated report from Special Counsel Robert Mueller last week, according to a new report.

NBC News reports that a network of bots that had at one time pushed pro-Saudi Arabia messages sent out the messages following the release of Mueller’s investigation’s findings.

The bots were taken down on Sunday by Twitter, according to NBC News.

Most of the bots had a low number of posts and blasted the “Russiagate hoax” against President Donald Trump. Some of the accounts were rebranded and others were made seemingly just to boost the engagement of related tweets. One account, according to NBC News, was made to look like a news company.

R483 Diminishing returns to these bot operations. These days they are often drowned out by real anti-Trump voices on social media and get ignored. People are on to them anyway. Actually, these days the GOP politicians' real accounts are blasting out the same false narrative as these bots, so the bots are kind of superfluous.

Yes, we are all on to them. I assume most idiots are bots. It is easy that way. They brought it on themselves.

The GOP is starting to get more fucking insanely ruthless. That whole citizenship question is going to take as much as $650 million from blue states to red states and they are going to lose congressional seats. Though, Texas (and probably FL) will get fucked as well so it isn't all bad.

Oh, Lawdy.

Roger Stone:. Says God is using him to expose certain epic truths at trial.

Hillary shared her thoughts on impeachment.

Why is Diaper Donnie allowed to Tweet AT ALL?!

Judging from today's meeting, R488, I'd assume it's because the head of Twitter is a Trump supporter.

Whenever I see Jared Kushner, I feel like I'm watching a malevolent spirit trapped inside an escapee from Madame Tussauds. He's like a more refined Chucky or less intelligent Hannibal Lecter trapped inside a dewy Ken doll.

Trump is under the impression that Twitter has been silencing republicans. He was especially concerned because he suddenly lost a chunk of followers....not realizing Twitter recently deleted a bunch of Bot accounts. He gets that impression from people like Matt Gaetz and Jim Jordan....its then echoed by people like Mark Meadows and John Cornyn....of course Fox gives them a platform and that in turn goes straight to Trump. Its funny because Trump has one of the highest rates of Bots following him....its like a third of his followers. Yeah, he knew nothing about what the Russians were doing.

So how long before Russia controls too much in our own country? I guess they really did pick the perfect political party to pull this on.

The GOP is all in on cementing conservative, oppressive values the sell us out to the Russians thinking they are getting a bargain. Nope.

We will win this but, as we all have said, it will get worse before better. Some hero will emerge. They always do........

Ladies and Gents, The Wanderer:

I wish 'The Wanderee' would wander on off in front of an 18 wheeler.

I can't get over fat Donnie's declaration that " No one disobeys my orders". He really does think he's a king

[quote]I can't find it now, but I read this morning that 20% of Bernie supporters have declared that if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, they'll vote for Trump.

Yeah, just like last time!

R496 Prepare for them go bonkers when the field thins down but the support go to a real Dem instead instead of their false prophet...

R495 That statement he made was totally incriminating, embarrassing, and easily disproved, as noted in the Mueller report. Plenty of people in his and administration refused to carry out his underhanded demands. Lying loser.

R460, it could've been John Boehner. Both he and McConnell treated Obama with contempt. Thank God Boehner is gone.

Boehner made that funny video with Obama about leaving their jobs. I'm betting it was McTurtle.

R499 Boehner seemed way more human than this turtle mutant freak.

A couple of things happening---an Iowa GOP rep has now switched over to the Democratic Party because he just can't stomach Trump any longer. And the House is going to do a contempt vote on Kline.

It looks like a contempt charge gets you arrested by the Sgt. At Arms and you get either a year in jail and/or a $100,000 fine.

Good. Let them all be held in contempt and see if they're all willing to go to jail for a year just so Trump won't be mean to them on twitter.

R502 It's happening the sinking the Trump Titanic. The Russians are gonna bail on him at some point, leaving him with just GOP cronies to circle the wagon. But eventually, that will also crumble if the Dem House keeps up its attacks, and the GOP might actually contemplate sacrificing Trump for the sake of the party.

And when the Democrats do vote to hold the IRS head in contempt of Congress and hopefully arrest him and throw his ass in jail, let's watch the Repug hypocrites spew since this was the last time it was done in and actual Repug witch hunt.

Someone named Verret who was on the Trump transition team is now calling for Trump to be impeached. He said he was waiting for the Mueller report and now that he's seen it, he feels Trump needs to be impeached.

So would this be the first GOP to call for impeachment?

It really feels like the dam is starting to break.

[quote] It really feels like the dam is starting to break.

This time for sure !

^^^Fingers crossed.

R505, there have been tons of Repug pundits and background players against Trump for a long time. As far as I know, though, there are no actual Repug politicians saying anything.

R506 is a troll who props up Trump as unsinkable on this thread. But the Titanic has already hit the iceberg. Team Trump still can't bring themselves to acknowledge that truth. They would rather stick to their own lies.

[quote]I can't get over fat Donnie's declaration that " No one disobeys my orders". He really does think he's a king

He comes across as an imitation mafia boss who fancies himself a king. (Not for one second does he come across as a President.)

Such pathetic grandiosity is of course an intrinsic part of his narcissistic sociopathy.

When is a deadline not a deadline? When Dems set them.... Dems just don't understand how to yield power. Act first, ask questions later. Especially in these critical times.

R512 *wield power

Kakistocracy

I think taxes or financial records are going to show lots of money flowing from Russia to Trump.

R515

We've just got to keep putting the heat on the Senate.

Before Dept. of Homeland Security Chief Kirstjen Nielsen was forced out, she tried to focus the White House on one of her highest priorities as DHS secretary: preparing for new and different Russian forms of interference in 2020.

HW Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney told her not to bring it up in front of the president.

R511 FTW!!! "...pathetic grandiosity" is a perfect description! Poetic.

Trump on a tear again this morning:

The Mueller Report, despite being written by Angry Democrats and Trump Haters, and with unlimited money behind it ($35,000,000), didn’t lay a glove on me. I DID NOTHING WRONG. If the partisan Dems ever tried to Impeach, I would first head to the U.S. Supreme Court. Not only......

.....are there no “High Crimes and Misdemeanors,” there are no Crimes by me at all. All of the Crimes were committed by Crooked Hillary, the Dems, the DNC and Dirty Cops - and we caught them in the act! We waited for Mueller and WON, so now the Dems look to Congress as last hope!

Wait - he’s going to head to the Supreme Court. WTF does that even mean? He literally has no idea how the Constitution works.

Not to worry r521. The wanderer in chief may wander in the general direction of the Supreme Court but it is highly doubtful he will ever find it.

Conversing with Sarah Huckabee Sanders----- "don't bother".

Taxpayer wasted money.

Where's Mike Pence's tax returns since 2015?

Miller

She'll be employed for life by Repug think tanks and non-profits. Don't worry about the golden heifer; she'll always find green pastures. You do know that cows graze where they shit, right?

[quote] Diminishing returns to these bot operations. These days they are often drowned out by real anti-Trump voices on social media and get ignored. People are on to them anyway. Actually, these days the GOP politicians' real accounts are blasting out the same false narrative as these bots, so the bots are kind of superfluous.

"IF it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck". It fits for both bots and trolls. The so called official politicians should be mocked for repeating these bots' and trolls' rhetoric.

Bloomberg: Trump Erroneously Claims U.S. Supreme Court Role in Impeachment

I wish I could remember the last day when I wasn't confronted with a trump-tweet.

No, he made no errors. He totally believes that he packed that court to benefit himself and the GOP. He did. Where's the error here?

They are in his pocket.

So when are Barr Mueller and McGann coming to testify? The sooner the better and how many people who have ignored supenas for information and have ignored it should be tossed in jail for contempt?

Washington Post: Trump says he is opposed to White House aides testifying to Congress, deepening power struggle with Hill

As I understand it, R530, his error is procedural. He can’t “appeal” his impeachment or removal to the Supreme Court. The Chief Justice (Roberts) would preside at his impeachment trial. There’s no higher court to which he can appeal.

As horrific as this period in history is, I am so thankful that Trump is so fundamentally stupid that he will continue to build the case against him. He is stupid on an almost international level.

[quote]almost international level.

Almost?

And the problem with his supposed stupidity is that he'll ultimately use it as an excuse. He'll claim he didn't KNOW anything he did was illegal and therefore had no INTENTION of committing a crime....

And he'll get away with it.

I wish Putin would dump Trump and loop the pee tape on Russian tv. Talk about ratings and going viral.

Trump is a serial liar and I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

At this point the release of the Pee Pee tapes would probably just make Deplorables stick even tighter to Drumpf.

Two minutes of HRC a R487 reminds us of what Putin and the redneck Electoral College installed in her place.

It's amazing that Dotard and the Rethugs are STILL using Hillary's name to stoke their Deplorables. It goes to show how fucking stupid their cultists are.

Okay, so clearly they’re just all going to do it now.

Barr is a hypocrite. That's shocking.

Stonewalling is all these scumbags have left in their arsenal.

A Republican a hypocrite!!! Imagine that?

I hate their faces all of them.

From Kyle:

[quote]As Trump complains on Twitter that he allowed "everyone to testify" before Mueller, remember that the Mueller report says Donald Trump Jr. declined to be voluntarily interviewed by Mueller's team. And remember that Trump himself would not sit for an interview with Mueller.

Because Drumpf's a lying liar. Why would he sit for them when it's just a WITCH HUNT!!!!

Jesus, they have no shame.

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Dumpy just met with Twitter CEO to whine that his loss of followers was a conspiracy. Nope, Twitter was just dumping bots, too little too late.

Obama has more followers and that infuriates him.

If Hillary also had more followers that would also upset his treasonous turd!

Re: R552, it's hilarious that Trump still thinks he can impersonate a President of integrity when his would-be killer points are contradicted publicly in seconds.

He piles up verifiable evidence of his stupidity to mountainous levels.

Such a small, small man.

[quote]All of the Crimes were committed by Crooked Hillary, the Dems, the DNC and Dirty Cops

But Donald, Donnie, Don, D - you appear to be forgetting Cohen, Manafort, Flynn and Stone. Your close associates. We do hope this forgetfulness isn't too embedded. Maybe have some tests?

C'mon, great big stroke!

I still believe the “He will die in prison” prediction.

Thank you to all the people posting links to pertinent articles. It’s a great way to keep caught up.

R336 here. I found the article, which is, ironically, in The Advocate. Why ironic? Because the new owners for the magazine are republicans/donate to anti-GLBT causes.

Pressure has to be put on the U.S. Senate. Republican Senators are allowing Trump and his administration to diminish the Constitutional authority of the Legislative branch.

Senate Republicans don't care.

They know this is their end game and want the interference they claim Democrats did nothing to stop (!) - We need to be out there and registering anyone who just turned 18 and educating everyone why it matters.

Senate GOP = Traitors.

Yes r566. It would appear Bernie is willing to lead his bros and sis's as well as the rest of the country right back into the abyss.

I called his office since I'm a Vermonter who voted for his silly ass, and told his aide, DAYS ago, that the story in LGBTQ was trending. I feel betrayed by him, by his supporters, and for anyone giving this old coot a platform.

Why, when we have roads closed that cannot be fixed, no transportation infrastructure for jobs, and one of the highest rates of embezzlement in the nation (highest, I believe) by lying, thieving fraus who then get bullshit for time....why, ol' Bernie, do you think that record is good enough to run on?

Come home and fix this shit up and then you can say you actually DID something. I'm so fucking done with him and that's no lie.

Dems must bang the drum of Russian interference. The Mueller report is clear there was hacking and interference, the Rethugs can't spin it as 'No interference' conclusion.

Drag all admin officials responsible for protecting against interference, hacking, manipulation and such in front of the committees and grill them.

They need to hire a few of us to plan the campaign of truth, R573. Where is the DNC for fucks sake? I should be seeing attack ads against this asshole, his minions and his whole damn family yesterday.

Play the bit where they tabled the resolution to strengthen voting protection in the Senate. Play it over and over again. Play that bit where McTurtle says a voting holiday is out of the question and other drivel. Pence and Graham whining about Bill's infidelity and unfitness for the presidency.

Make them eat crow every damned day.

R572, when you talk about lying, thieving fraus, are you talking about Mrs Sanders? Because the only reason she’s not in prison right now is her last name.

How can you vote for that piece of shit? Run yourself if there’s nobody decent.

I am talking about her. She got away with it, just like a few others like her. Biggest grifters going.

I won't vote Republican, but damned did I hate having to choose him this round.

He's now done with me after not saying a damned thing about that report regarding 20% of his voters going for Trump if he isn't nominated. His behavior in not endorsing Mrs. Clinton, right away, should have been my clue.

Look around. Maybe there’s somebody that willing to primary him. If not, run yourself. I’m not kidding AOC used to be a waitress.

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Bitch wasn't going to get my vote in the primaries, either. He needs to retire from public life. He's embarrassing.

I called his office last year, asking if he was going to be stupid and run again for the Oval office and they told me he wouldn't. At that point, Jane was still on the hot seat with the big payout and investigations into their finances. There were rumors in the state that she was also sick. I told everyone here he wasn't running based on those comments. I now see he and his staff are a bunch of meglomaniacs and liars.

I hope he strokes out and takes the dotard with him. I want all old, white assholes considering a run this round to stroke out and die.

You know something funny, R577? You're not the first person who's suggested it to me. I'm finishing up a degree right now and considering law school, and I'm no spring chicken, but I'm a heck of a lot younger than that fool.

I'll think on it.

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Thanks, R581. Do we also get a free can of RAID with that?

LOL, you bitch.

Good for you, R580. The only reason Bernie is still there is no one decent has the balls to run against him. I bet if people had an option, there are a lot of people that are sick of him and Jane. He’s a grifter.

Even if that person only did well, it would weaken him and he’s not going to live forever. Somebody has to replace him eventually.

People's first clue about Bernard should have been that he wasn't a Democrat running on their ticket. Second clue was his history of having accomplished nothing in the Senate. Third clue was hacking in to HRCs database. Fourth clue was his shady business dealings. Fifth clue was his wife's shady business dealings. Sixth clue was refusing to release his taxes. Seventh clue was illegally using campaign funds to charter a private plane to stalk the Pope. Eighth clue was repeatedly breaking campaign finance law and refusing to submit required paperwork despite being asked numerous times. Ninth clue was his refusal to drop out of the Primary even when it was mathematically impossible for him to win and knowing it was splintering the party (to which he was never a part of). Tenth clue was.....

NBC: Trump blasts Democrats for probes, says White House is 'fighting all the subpoenas'

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Thanks, R584, but I was talking about in-state shit and I could take up the argument about a few of your assertions, but won't. It's history. What's clear, absolutely, is what an asshole he is now.

I wanted to see the party of my youth and its old liberal values re-established away from the centrist platforms pushed by the Clintons and Bidens of the world. What I didn't want to see is the pie in the sky bs he advocated; like forgiving student loans and medicare for everyone.

Support your most needy, not those foolish enough to take out loans they couldn't afford. Change the usary rate, but no to forgiveness that just leaves the rest of us holding the bag. Do something to actually fix health care, establish a single payer system, and stop playing around with the freebie shit. That's just pandering.

No votes for incarcerated felons. You do the time, you get out, you can vote again. No one is denied any guaranteed freedoms, just the privilege of voting with other, law-abiding citizens. Telling folks you'd let the Boston Bomber vote is insane!!!! You have to be going senile to say shit like that.

R585 Wake me up when the Dems put some teeth in their subpoena. Stop being polite, and start being real! We are dealing with criminals here, not honorable people.

[quote]Thanks, [R584], but I was talking about in-state shit and I could take up the argument about a few of your assertions, but won't. It's history. What's clear, absolutely, is what an asshole he is now.

Yeah, all of that shows he was always an asshole and always a grifter.

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You could do the same for just about any of these old farts. I always wonder why they choose to run when their bullshit will be scrutinized.

Yeah, Jane took her payout and that was legal. But she did lie about the school's assets and got away with it. She claimed she made the projections based on promised donations, etc., and so the courts believed her.

This state has a big problem with bitches who steal. They take millions (I'm looking at you, Joyce Bellavance) and then the whole community closes ranks and they get away with it.

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R574 Yes, a thousand times YES!