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Lot Lizard

Where has this documentary been all my life? Have any of you ever met a real life lot lizard?

Lot Lizard Trailer

Lot Lizard is a feature documentary directed by Alexander Perlman about truck stop sex workers in the United States. More info available at: http://www.lotli...

by Anonymousreply 21208/15/2019

crack whores are not profound

by Anonymousreply 102/24/2019

No but they sure are interesting to watch.

by Anonymousreply 202/24/2019

I was a truck stop manager in Texas. I worked nights at one of the locations. Our back lot had 150 parking spaces for trucks. I would get calls from truckers most nights about the knocks on their doors. I'd go out looking for the lot lizards. Some would hide or a truck driver would let them get in their cabs while I was on the prowl. Eventually, I'd catch them and escort them off the lot. The other 3 corners of the intersection also had truck stops, so they'd go to one of the other ones.

Drugs, alcohol, theft and prostitution are typical things that come with the territory--oh, and once in awhile a drunken fight between truck drivers. I'm gay, so there were no favors to stay on the lot. But even if I were straight, they lacked enough appeal.

by Anonymousreply 302/24/2019

r3, tell us more about being a gay truck stop manager in Texas (seriously). Very curious as to the life.

Was it a big city? Small "four corners" wayside? Did you ever encounter gay truck drivers?

by Anonymousreply 402/24/2019
I hitch-hiked cross-country and directed a feature-length documentary about truck stop sex workers in America. AMA.

Not sure if anyone is following this thread but MAJOR update: the film was released! Here's a link to where you can watch...

by Anonymousreply 502/24/2019

That stop was outside the Houston city limits. Yes, there were a bunch of gay truckers, many cross-country, and their looks and hygiene were about the same as the lot lizards. No thank you.

by Anonymousreply 602/24/2019

r3 / r6 -- How did you end up working there? How long did you stay?

Any amazing stories?

by Anonymousreply 702/24/2019

Is a “lot lizard” a prostitute who focuses on truckers?

by Anonymousreply 802/24/2019

I think either that or Rhodes Scholars in zoology, Rose.

by Anonymousreply 902/24/2019

Truck drivers fcking is so hot

by Anonymousreply 1002/24/2019

Aileen Wuornos was a prostitute and killed several truckers.

by Anonymousreply 1102/24/2019

Correct R8 and in our convenience store we even sold window decals with a woman's figure that said, "No Lot Lizards!" R7 Truckers keep their engines going all night long to keep their a/c and appliances generators charged. Those lots are noisy and smell of exhaust fumes. Some truckers are professional. The rest of them simply add to the sometimes charged atmosphere. To give you an idea of how busy a truck stop is, our daily sales ran between $250,000 and $400,000. I wandered into truck stop management at a time I needed a job and they paid quite well. After doing that for 7 years I became of retirement age and retired with no regrets. When things get dicey, you must not show fear. I previously worked in 3rd world countries that made the truck stops pale in comparison, so not a problem. (When terrorists bomb your hotel when you are sleeping...)

by Anonymousreply 1202/24/2019

When I was going to college I met some gay guys that, unbeknownst to me at the time, would go hang out at the Adult video store and try to pick up the truckers that frequented there. It was close to the highway. One day we went over there and one of the guys went to a truck and got the guys attention, and offered him a blowjob.

Then when we were driving home there was a guy walking on the side of the road. They stopped and tried to pick him up. He was obviously straight and looked kind of crazy. Thankfully, he didn't try kicking our asses. I made sure not to hang out with them after that. That's how gay guys get killed.

by Anonymousreply 1302/24/2019

R12, what were the most popular and/or expensive items purchased at your convenience store? $250K to $400K per day sounds like an amazing amount. Was it the gasoline sales?

Thank you in advance!

by Anonymousreply 1402/24/2019

I wanna hear more R12! I want to hear about your work & experiences in Third World countries. What did you do there?

by Anonymousreply 1502/24/2019

Me, too. Please, tell us more stories, r3.

by Anonymousreply 1602/25/2019

R12 and others. We had 15 diesel islands in the back of the store. The average 18-wheeler gets 8 miles to the gallon, so they usually have double tanks, each with 150-200 gallon capacities. $$$$$. The convenience stores at truck stops can be huge. We sold 12-volt TVs, power inverters, CB radios. More $$$$. Each truck stop has a restaurant, or at least fast food. We had 12 showers that were non-stop busy at $10 each. Food and drink, lots of beer.

Truckers buy wide-mouthed bottled water. When they are empty, they are turned into urinals. I called them Hepatitis Bombs and you could always find some tossed on the parking lot. One of the high theft areas had decorations for the trucks. I had a security camera monitor above my desk. When I saw someone jack goods I called the armed security guard. Catching up to them before they reached their truck was what he did. I'd also chase some. One of the maintenance guys chased a local resident with an 18-pack of beer. The guy threw the beer at my maintenance guy to slow him down and hit him in the head. He got away; my guy went to the hospital.

The area behind the truck stop was rough and cops couldn't enter the neighborhood alone. I lost count of the times my car was broken into. At least it was never stolen.

by Anonymousreply 1702/25/2019

Feed our beast r17. More please! You are fucking fascinating and you write very well.

How scuzzy do the lot lizards look? Scary methy, or just worn out trash? Do they skew young or old?

by Anonymousreply 1802/25/2019

Amazing stories! Was your truck stop in East Texas? Why did the truck drivers call to report to you lot lizards? Did they not like being woken up when they were trying to sleep?

by Anonymousreply 1902/25/2019

I agree with R18. This is a facet of life I'm not likely to ever experience myself, and you tell your stories well!

Plus I have a co-worker who's a tubby middle-aged woman, who occasionally talks about quitting her healthcare job and becoming a long-distance trucker. I doubt she'd like sleeping in a truck stop with methhead "lot lizards" knocking on her doors.

by Anonymousreply 2002/25/2019

R18 The lot lizards on average were 5' tall and usually very skinny, late 20s. Scraggly hair, gaunt eyes, acne scars, missing a few teeth, old raggedy clothes. Without offending anyone, they overall looked like Meth losers. The Meth winners were the several dudes selling it. One always backed into the parking space in front of the store where the gasoline pumps for non-truckers were located. He wouldn't even shut his engine off. Within seconds, a person would show up at his car door, the window would roll down, a quick handshake when the money and dope changed hands, and he was off probably to another truck stop.

Some of the truckers were teams--one drove while the other slept. And sometimes the teams would be husband and wife having a few hours downtime and needed to catch up on their scripture reading. Others may have been gays, some trying to sleep, or the door knocker didn't look too saleable. In any case, they didn't want to be disturbed and the truck stop had to give them a pleasant stay.

by Anonymousreply 2102/25/2019

I was a bit disappointed to see this is a documentary. It could have been a great horror movie. A prostitute who was murdered (or maybe a bunch of them) come back from the dead to seek vengence on the truck driving serial killer.

by Anonymousreply 2202/25/2019

R21, "5' tall and usually very skinny, late 20s" goes against the trucker stereotype. Is "husband and wife having a few hours downtime and needed to catch up on their scripture reading" a euphemism for something? Are these husband and wife truck driver teams really reading the Bible or some other holy book?

Despite making good money, it sounds like your job was a hard job.

Thank you in advance!

by Anonymousreply 2302/25/2019

I'm loving this! Thank you!

Did your truck stop have one of those "Trucker's Chapels" in the back (usually just a trailer with a table and some folding chairs, where Christian truckers would go pray)?

Offsite Link
by Anonymousreply 2402/25/2019

I'm truly in heaven and I hope we get more from our new love, R21 (etc) "Truck Stop Guy", and any other people with stories to share of course.

Truck Stop Guy, you have such an evocative way of telling your stories. Any other subjects up your sleeve? If it's totally OT from this, we could always start another thread. Why yes, I am begging.

by Anonymousreply 2502/25/2019

R23 I was picking out sort of a generic look/attitude of those who complained. It seems there are certain types who are more apt to show they are special and above others. Maybe the lot lizard description was the same gal who was successful enough to have more than one set of clothing. It's been a few years, and it wasn't the type of work you look back on too fondly. Thanks for your comments.

by Anonymousreply 2602/25/2019

R24 Yes, we had the Sunday Chapel. Even though I worked truck stops about 12-18 years ago, the types and nationalities had already begun changing where I'm not sure if they are still worth the effort.

by Anonymousreply 2702/25/2019

R25 Thank you very much for your positive comments. I'm fairly new to DL and still getting over being called a "fucking cunt" when someone doesn't like the truth. But I digress. I started writing 64 years ago when I was 10. No matter what the occasion, I try to step back and look at a situation with a writer's eye, thinking there might be an idea or use for it in a book or article I might write.

I'm semi-retired and most of the writing I have done lately is "giving back to the community at large" in scientific education called "harm reduction" for drug users. I explain what the drug is, what it does to you, how you can safeguard your health, minimize severe addiction, and how to get back up out of the rabbit hole if you so desire. It's nothing preachy, simply laying out the reality of it. Being woke.

Let's hope I can dig back into the memory for something else. Again, thanks for your encouragement.

by Anonymousreply 2802/25/2019

Truck Stop Guy, let the "cunts" roll off your back and share all you like here. Thank you!

by Anonymousreply 2902/25/2019

For r22:

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by Anonymousreply 3002/25/2019

Okay, someone needs to make R30's movie!

TSG, you're a writer, wanna try a screenplay?

by Anonymousreply 3102/25/2019

What r29 said! I know "get a blog" is a DL traditional insult when someone goes on too long in a post. In your case, I mean it sincerely GET A BLOG! Just the few tidbits you have thrown our way tells me that you have many, many stories to tell. Hell, with your writing skill, you could write about a trip to the store to get some milk and it would be interesting. On top of it, from hearing what you are doing now, you sound like a really fucking nice guy.

Sorry for the gushing.

Get to writing! *cracks whip*

Thank you OP for starting this thread, and by doing so, delivering TSG to us!

by Anonymousreply 3202/25/2019

I can see R30's movie in my head now, the gay manager of a truck stop wonders why so many truckers are being found dead a few miles out of town. When it becomes clear why a genuinely attractive woman who doesn't seem to use drugs would want to spend her nights working as a lot lizard, our hero TSG realizes that the only people who might possibly assist him in fighting the vampire are the holy roller truckers who won't use her!

Will he bother to enter the fight at all, knowing he'll have to have assholes as his vampire-fighting sidekicks? Will the handsome straight trucker he likes fall prey? Will saving the guy's fucking life get him anywhere on that front? Of course not!

by Anonymousreply 3302/25/2019

R23, in my rural hometown, "reading scripture" is a euphemism for having sex, especially in a car. (Real example from my youth: Cop catches teens going at it in remote corner of parking lot, scares them into thinking they might be arrested for public indecency, and then, when he's satisfied, radios "Nah, turns out they were just reading some scripture.")

So I figured TSG meant that those husband and wife driving teams wanted to be left alone to have sex.

by Anonymousreply 3402/25/2019

Love it R33!

Cool, r34 see kids? DL can be bitchy *and* educational.

by Anonymousreply 3502/25/2019

R34, thank you for the explanation.

Truck driving actually sounds like a cool job, in some ways. For example, the good diners en route. Sounds like there are tons of pitfalls to avoid.

by Anonymousreply 3602/25/2019

Not to hijack the thread but this Lot Lizard movie looks terrible. Did they really have to include an extended close up of the dirt and dust on the floor in the trailer?? Gross!

It’s so annoying when a documentary is made by amateurs.

by Anonymousreply 3702/25/2019

I remember the weirdest thing I ever found at a Truck Stop was a santa muerte statue. It was in Montana I think. I was just driving through and we stopped there.

by Anonymousreply 3802/25/2019

I always thought the girls were called Pavement Princesses.

by Anonymousreply 3902/25/2019

R32 Your comments are appreciated. Thanks for taking the time to write. Getting a blog is something I've thought about and you are very encouraging. There's a lot I've written that I want saved and it would also be fun to run a truck stop theme. We can see other creative juices flowing in this thread, which I'm enjoying.

by Anonymousreply 4002/25/2019

Yes - please continue to add details like you have done here to this and other threads TSG. You sound like a thoughtful, insightful - and skilled - writer. Glad you are putting it to use. (And glad you learned to ignore the DL cunts)

by Anonymousreply 4102/25/2019

R41 Again, thanks so much. You guys are great. I will keep in touch. Have a good night!

by Anonymousreply 4202/25/2019

TSG, did you have issues with young gay men hanging out at the truck stop? If so, tell us about that.

by Anonymousreply 4302/25/2019

Hey I'm another new fan of truck stop guy😊. I'm watching this thread. Gonna watch Lot Lizards later tonight in honor of TSG. More stories if you can, truck stops are interesting places, to say the least.

by Anonymousreply 4402/25/2019

Fucking great "slice of life" thread. Occasionally, the DL serves up a gem. Thanks, TSG. Hope you'll start that blog and post your URL for us.

by Anonymousreply 4502/25/2019

TSG, what r43 asked (and of course: who was your hottest trucker?).

by Anonymousreply 4602/26/2019

I did watch the movie on Amazon Prime. Interesting, but nothing surprising. The saddest story involved a woman who supposedly actually got out of hooking at the truck stops. She was having a hard time finding a job and was comparing the amount of money she made in one day hooking to the minimum wage jobs out there. I felt like she was going to slide back into hooking and drugs.

The other women (only one male prostitute was featured, very briefly) were such damaged individuals, it was hard to see how they would ever turn their lives around. I'm actually in favor of legalized prostitution, but this type of prostitution (truck stop) just seemed depressing and dangerous.

The male prostitute didn't say what state (U.S.) he was in, but said, "There are no gays in this state."

by Anonymousreply 4702/26/2019

Hi TSG, I hope you got a good night's sleep. I am so glad you feel encouraged by us. Don't feel pressured or anything, just know we are here for it when you feel like filling our kibble bowl. I have this thread on "watch".

Also, I think that is one of fastest assignments of a nickname that I've seen on the DL in years.

by Anonymousreply 4802/26/2019

Is TSG the new Cackle Cackle?

by Anonymousreply 4902/26/2019

Yeah r47 it wasn't the best documentary but at least TSG came out of all of this!

by Anonymousreply 5002/26/2019

R43. I wished we had young gay guys hanging out at the truck stop. There was one young trucker who came through occasionally who was gay. He'd have his door open and sit sideways looking for attention. I talked to him a time or two, but I guess I was too old for him. (Now I'm too old for everyone and too poor to be a sugar daddy--but life is so less complicated.)

One night I was BSing with a couple of the cashier's. One said, "You should meet my cousin. He's gay." "You'll have to bring him in some night," I replied. She said, "I don't have to. He works here in the restaurant!" It turns out he became my lover for a couple of years.

by Anonymousreply 5102/26/2019

R45 Having my own blog is something I've debated over the past couple of years. With the encouragement here in the Truck Stop Lounge, (behind the Data Lounge) it has made me start thinking of ideas. I'd need to be able to publish where sex, drugs and rock 'n roll are allowed to be discussed. I also like to talk about health and pets, plus some glimpses of my past, but not Perhaps it could be interactive where others could add to the narrative and share life experiences. My philosophy of life is to do everything in moderation, but be sure to do everything.

by Anonymousreply 5202/26/2019

TSG, Do you mind saying which state(s) you lived in / operated truck stops from?

I once did a night time road trip from San Francisco to L.A. and was surprised at the number of trucks on the road at night. Seems like it might be safer, in a way, to drive at night and sleep during the day.

by Anonymousreply 5302/26/2019

Truck Stop Guy, this is truly fascinating. Thank you for taking the time to answer our questions.

by Anonymousreply 5402/26/2019

My aunt and her long term bf team drove. Curious if they went through Truck Stop Guys place. We all live in Houston and they would visit. They talked about lot lizards too.

by Anonymousreply 5502/26/2019

R53 I managed at a couple in California, then was transferred to Texas to clean up a few operations about a year after Hurricane Rita. I decided to stay in TX when I retired as real estate prices are a lot lower and I knew people here. But I'm still deep down a Californian. You never really get over the culture shock here.

A lot of the truckers prefer overnight driving. They say it's safer with less traffic. There was a team that stopped at my CA location delivering US mail from Jacksonville FL to the SF Bay area and were always on the road at night. Our truck lot still was 30% full or higher during the days.

by Anonymousreply 5602/26/2019

TSG, thank you for answering my questions. Not to be too nosy, but what part of California is your favorite? San Francisco is so different from Los Angeles. The middle part is so different from SF and LA.

I can understand how Texas prices would have been tempting, compared to CA.

by Anonymousreply 5702/26/2019

FWIW my aunt said the truck stops could have some pretty amazing food and amenities. They did team driving so they could save money. No overhead and the truck was surprisingly spacious with a tv, DVD player, small microwave and fridge and some drivers had their pets too.

by Anonymousreply 5802/26/2019

Seems like gaining too much weight (as a truck driver) would be a major job hazard. All that good food along the way, grabbing from a bag of chips while driving, taking bites off of candy bars, etc.

by Anonymousreply 5902/26/2019

Truck drivers are a microcosm of people. Some look healthy; some look like they'll die any minute. Some do die in truck stop parking lots. Team drivers talk about trust. Could you sleep while the other guy had the reins? There are drivers who bring pets along with them. Remember the truckers who would pull over to help you if you and your car were stranded? There are still a few of them. As we've seen in our lives, many of today's people appear to be too self-centered to be good Samaritans.

They come into the store to pay for their fuel and some look frustrated. Was it fighting the traffic they were in? If you looked a little deeper in their eyes, you see frustration over their lives. They have a lot of time to think while on the road. Who and what they could have been. Over the years, being cooped up in their cabs, they lose contact with people and their social skills. One day I was doing my rounds and walking the diesel islands. Most of the trash cans were in good shape, but one was overflowing. A trucker must have finally cleaned out his personal quarters. Sitting on top of the trash was an opened pizza box. There were still a couple of pieces left. On top of them was an extra topping. It was his shit.

by Anonymousreply 6002/26/2019

[quote]I once did a night time road trip from San Francisco to L.A. and was surprised at the number of trucks on the road at night. Seems like it might be safer, in a way, to drive at night and sleep during the day.

I once worked at a truck stop, and the guys on the graveyard shift were always talking about the famous musicians who had come in to eat at 2 or 3 am, big stars like Willie Nelson and Johnny Cash. The best was July and August when the big acts were doing the State Fair circuit.

by Anonymousreply 6102/26/2019

TSG, How many of the truck drivers did you see were on some sort of drug, aside from caffeine? If so, what? Sorry if already asked

by Anonymousreply 6202/26/2019

r61 I know it is a stupidly minor question, but I would love to know what they ate. There are no small details in this convo for me.

by Anonymousreply 6302/26/2019

R61 That is so true about the musician buses. If they had done a concert in San Diego or Los Angeles, they'd stop at Lost Hills for fuel on the way north. Some if them would come into the store; others stayed in their buses. One night a crowd of younger people started coming through the diesel doors. I was mostly concerned about security and safety. Then I saw a couple coming toward me. One was Lance Bass. Then I saw another heading toward the rest rooms. Justin Timberlake

by Anonymousreply 6402/26/2019

R62 There were always people on drugs, not to mention alcohol. Meth has always been a favorite to keep them awake over hill and dale and that's one drug I know well. I could see it in their dilated pupils, mouth movements and walk. I'm sure there were also uppers of every sort. Our local drug dealers kept busy and I'm sure some called ahead and placed their orders on their way in. Even though I knew the guys who dealt, for a couple of reasons they passed by unnoticed. In California, one guy driving a flat bed came back from the north with a load of lumber and some of the best weed I had ever smoked. He usually had customers waiting for him.

One day there was a ruckus outside and a trucker said another trucker was going crazy. By the time I got to his truck, he had pulled his pants off outside of his truck and was screaming there was a snake in them. I examined them and there was no snake. He said there were more snakes in his cab. There was a highway patrol unit that came and searched too. I don't know what kind of drug he was on.

by Anonymousreply 6502/26/2019

R63 Although a couple of the truck stop companies have full restaurants, the one I worked for only had fast food restaurants. Depending where I worked it was Wendy's, Subway, DQ or McDonald's. Only the foods that make truckers more obese... The only time I saw them exercise was to stretch when they got out of their cabs.

by Anonymousreply 6602/26/2019

Remember mini-thins? Those things were shit; almost all truck stops sold them until they started cracking down on the ingredients for meth (which I never tried).

by Anonymousreply 6702/26/2019

At the start of the great recession I lost my job. I wasn't too worried thinking I would pick up something soon and just laid back and drew unemployment. That ran out and I started looking for work. I couldn't find anything. I looked into a vocational class that would not take up much time and enrolled in truck driving school in Oklahoma. I drove for two years and am still thankful for that job. Without it I would have ended up homeless. And yes, lot lizards would knowck on my door sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 6802/26/2019

r38 Would love to hear your stories! I was hoping a driver would chime in. Please tell us anything else, we are hungry beasts, and you write well too! What was it like on the road? What happened when you got sleepy between stops? How horrible was the paperwork/logs you had to fork over to...DOT? (I may be wrong there). So many questions!

by Anonymousreply 6902/26/2019

Sorry, I meant r68, but you too r38 and anyone else that has a story in any shape or form

by Anonymousreply 7002/26/2019

I wish I had some great stories about two years of truck driving but it was pretty much all one long Interstate. I did appreciate the job being work was hard to find during the recession.

It mostly was two years of eating greasy food and sleeping in noisy parking lots.

by Anonymousreply 7102/27/2019

My ex boyfriend was a truck driver for six months during college to raise money to transfer to a better school. He was a young, hot piece of ass back then and did get hit on by a couple of truckers. His first trainer tried to get handsy once, but was a homophobic Repub and blamed it on cocaine. That guy was a hideous, drug addled nightmare, so my husband was able to transfer to a different trainer. Once he got to drive solo, I joined him for a couple of months during summer break. It was an adventure for two young college kids especially since he frequently drove the Nevada route and we got to stop and party in Vegas a dozen times. I don't know how older people do it. Truck driving is a young man's game. It takes a physical toll on the body.

by Anonymousreply 7202/27/2019

^BJ and the Bear

by Anonymousreply 7302/28/2019

Most truckers are unsightly. You all need the Lord!

by Anonymousreply 7402/28/2019

Be sure to go to our chapel Sunday mornings at the back of the lot. It's non-denominational. Agnostics and atheists welcome. Lot lizards, too.

by Anonymousreply 7502/28/2019

The truck stop pastor in Lot Lizard was creepy, the hug was too much, too lingering.

by Anonymousreply 7602/28/2019

Whoever mentioned a screenplay, or a book--god, I am SO on board with that. Hey, TSG even if the truck stop was just a chapter in your life, you could publish one hell of a short story / novella about it and sell it on Amazon via Kindle. (With my eyesight getting so bad, I have finally embraced books I can read on my laptop. I wish I hadn't had such disdain for the format for so long). One of Stephen King's best work was a short story, "The Body" which became a huge film hit "Stand by Me" (I know, news flash, sorry)

by Anonymousreply 7702/28/2019

I bet SYFY would actually make "Vampire Lot Lizard", they'll make anything that involves a monster-movie theme and that allows for women in skimpy clothing!

Although I doubt they'd pay more than $500 for a finished script.

by Anonymousreply 7802/28/2019

For fantasy, you would have to make them life-size lizards that slither into the truck cabs and do unthinkable things to the men...

R77 Stand By Me is one of my all time favorite movies. It is perhaps one of the best coming if age films ever. Rob Reiner did an excellent job of directing, and Stephen King's writing. I just went and bought a Blu-ray copy of it about a month ago.

by Anonymousreply 7902/28/2019

Oh wow, truck stop stories ! I have a few.

by Anonymousreply 8002/28/2019

Spill r80 !

R49 Loving the synchronicity TSG. I have read both the story and seen the movie so many, many times. Each time I laugh my ass off, and I cry (yeah, I know, Mary! shaddup you bitches who thought that) even thought I know how it turns out. So many buried gems in both I discover every watch/read.

by Anonymousreply 8103/01/2019

Gah! I meant TSG at R79. Sorry!

But do spill r80!

by Anonymousreply 8203/01/2019

R17,why don't you write a book?

by Anonymousreply 8303/01/2019

When I was in college I was a nighttime dispatcher. It was an insane job. Mostly because I had to deal with truckers. They are the weirdest, angriest people on the face of the planet. I think it's because they sit alone in that cab all day dealing with the stress of being on the road and just sitting behind that wheel thinking how life had done them wrong. When their random drug test came up half of them would offer me bribes to pick someone else.

by Anonymousreply 8403/01/2019

R53 To catch up on a couple of things l favorite part of California is Los Angeles, as that's where I grew up. 90065 to be exact. I went to Eagle Rock High and then on to Cal State-LA. Eagle Rock has been mentioned a few times on DL, so it's a familiar place to some. We lived 2 houses from the Glendale city limits, which has also been mentioned a lot lately. I think I left the area when l moved north in '68, as I started a career as a rock 'n roll dj on AM radio.

IIRC, my folks bought that house in 1957 for $32,000. Out of curiosity, I recently looked up the house online. It sold last year for $825,000. I bought a nicer, larger house here in SE Texas 6 years ago for under $100,000. I'll probably never get back to Cali, but it was a great experience growing up there and one I'll always cherish.

by Anonymousreply 8503/01/2019

Another TSG tidbit! *swoon*


I know, Mary! Whatever. I have little to be happy about these days, it is so lovely to have these nuggets to enjoy.

by Anonymousreply 8603/02/2019

r86’s penguins face NORTH.

by Anonymousreply 8703/02/2019

Where is this gem showing? AMC? I can't find it on Fandango.

And there's no info about where it's showing on the website either.

by Anonymousreply 8803/02/2019

I would imagine that diarrhea would be a strong incentive against eating too much, especially too much junk food.

by Anonymousreply 8903/02/2019

TSG, thank you for answering my California questions.

R88, Lot Lizard is available on Amazon Prime. It's about an hour long.

by Anonymousreply 9003/02/2019

My ex was a truck driver before we got together. After the 07 crash he went back to get his CDL and hired on with a company that required six weeks on the road with a trainer before he got his own rig.

His trainer was overweight and wore diapers because of stomach issues. Their diets were just as described above—Subway, fast food and truck stop grease. My partner slept on the top bunk and was disgusted when his trainer would jack off.

My partners’ trainer pushed hard to cover lots of miles and they generally had no downtime. I would love for TSG to explain how drivers with GPS and computers can still break the travel rules?

One of the strange things I remember about training for driving through the mountains was to be aware of runaway ramps, and that if it came down to causing an accident with other cars or driving off of the mountain then you should drive it off of the mountain.

When he got his own rig we spent the whole weekend fixing it up for his first trip. We filled it with healthy snacks, water, a plug-in cooler, little racks to help organize his clothes and accessories. I put Velcro everywhere holding things like his phone, GPS, etc.

This was in October and weather had delayed a load of beer and candy from Denver to Utah, so he picked up the trip. Arriving in Utah, it was too late for the truck to be unloaded. He spent the night to make an early delivery the next day. Because that was now the fourth day they had been without inventory, he got yelled at and blamed and called everything in the book.

The next leg of that first trup took him from Montana over to Ohio and then to North Carolina. That year there were huge thunder storms rolling across the northern parts of the country and a couple of times he was stuck for hours waiting for the bad weather to pass.

Something snapped in Ohio, however. He called and told me that he could not do this anymore, that he was driving to UPS to pack up his cab and ship everything home. He surrendered his truck and keys to someone somewhere, spent the night in a hotel and flew home the next day.

It is a tough life and I don’t know how people do it with the stress, anxiety, pressure and unhealthy routines.

The next summer my ex got a call from his trainer’s wife—he had fallen asleep and was killed in an accident.

by Anonymousreply 9103/02/2019

Gosh, R91, must be hard when people blame you for the damn weather.

by Anonymousreply 9203/02/2019

Why on earth did the hooker who supposedly left hooking, show her tween aged daughter in this documentary? Money? It DOES NOT benefit her child. How awful for that kid.

by Anonymousreply 9303/02/2019

When driving in North Carolina, on what must have been some of the first highways built in the interstate system, I was unnerved a bit to see huge piles of dirt placed near some curves in hilly sections. If truckdrivers coming out of a curve couldn't control their trucks, they were supposed to drive their trucks into the piles of dirt. I suppose that would be a relatively "soft" crash. I'm a flatlander and had never considered this possibility.

I made the run from Texas to North Carolina several times in the 90s for a small business I had, often driving at night in my pickup truck. There was less traffic, but there were still too many idiots on the roads. I couldn't handle the stress of full-time driving. I don't know how truck drivers manage.

by Anonymousreply 9403/04/2019

There are official runaway truck ramps on the steeper parts of I80 as it goes through the Sierra Nevada mountains, with signs announcing their presence. They have two or three berms of gravel in a row, intended to slow down and then stop a truck that had lost its brakes, while keeping everyone in the truck and on the freeway alive.

I once saw a couple of idiots letting their toddler play in the fucking gravel heaps, having now clue that it wasn't a fucking sandbox! I wrote the state department of highways and asked them to put up some "DANGER KEEP OFF YOU GODDAMN IDIOTS" signs up along the ramps, because if a truck had come crashing through and flatted the baby the idiots who let it play in a danger zone could probably have sued the state and won.

by Anonymousreply 9503/04/2019

A serial killer turned out to be a truck driver. Surprise surprise. He tied some of his victims under his truck and just drove. The friction on the pavement turned their remains to bits and pieces.

by Anonymousreply 9603/04/2019

R96 This guy? I didn't see your chewy little nugget about the bodies in the article. Maybe I missed it, or maybe it's a different guy?

Police Believe Trucker Samuel Legg Is a Cross-Country Serial Killer

Authorities have tied him to four bodies and a rape but say there may be more secrets to uncover.

by Anonymousreply 9703/04/2019

Google found this dude for me. The Truck Stop Killer. How he avoided the death penalty is beyond me.

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by Anonymousreply 9803/04/2019

this one dragged some of his victims

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by Anonymousreply 9903/04/2019

I drove from VA to NC on the textile routes for about 10 years. Being gay, never really saw anything hot except one time. I was in deep farm country and I passed a hot young guy just in shorts standing on the back of a farm truck, arms outstretched holding the frame. In hindsight I should have honked as I drove past. Too busy every day hauling cotton for sex I guess. Saw strange shit. Once a peacock just strolling down the interstate. "wild" turkeys? They are as tame and as mean as Canada geese. Far too many deer, often in groups. A damn buzzard eating road kill waited until the last second to get out of the way and dropped a bloody bone, cracking the windshield. Far too many fat ass people leaning over their mailboxes checking out the mail. Think about it, trucks 2 or 3 feet away doing 55. Get your mail and get back to your house!

by Anonymousreply 10003/04/2019

I was behind a larger truck once. I kinda saw ahead, he didn't. There was a bathtub! in the right lane. He hit it head on and pushed it 50 feet or so before slowing down to a stop. What could I do? nothing, drove to the factory with an interesting story.

by Anonymousreply 10103/04/2019

It makes me sad to see what a popular thread this is . I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. It is the DL.

by Anonymousreply 10203/04/2019

Why the hell does it make you sad r102? These are some very interesting stories. What the hell do you want? Just ignore the thread and let us have our fun.

by Anonymousreply 10303/04/2019

Have fun you sleazy thing

by Anonymousreply 10403/04/2019

Are a lizard lot and a pickle park the same thing?

by Anonymousreply 10503/04/2019

r104 is just jealous because his stupid thread isn't getting any interest.

This water is warm as piss!

Gramna don’t like her water warm!

by Anonymousreply 10603/04/2019

R106 Suck my ass! I know you like it.

by Anonymousreply 10703/04/2019

r106 you wonderful bitch!

by Anonymousreply 10803/04/2019

Is this a thing?

10 Serial-Killing Long-Haul Truckers - Listverse

At least 25 long-haul truckers are currently imprisoned for serial murders. In 2009, the FBI revealed their database, the Highway Serial Killings Initiativ

by Anonymousreply 10903/05/2019

Thinking of you TSG!

by Anonymousreply 11003/09/2019

What a great thread.

This is why I come here.

And Truck Stop Guy, just ignore the creeps. I do. I've been called everything.

Your story is very well written, interesting an really different from our usual stuff.

And thank you for signing your posts. Welcome.

by Anonymousreply 11103/09/2019

BHmanny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love your posts and dish. More please! You should start your own thread. "Ask the BHmanny" or whatever.

I find those who make fun of people that sign their posts beyond tedious. I love it when you guys check in!

TSG, you have an "old timer" (I mean that in the nicest way, BHM) backing you up! Yay!

by Anonymousreply 11203/09/2019

Good to hear from some of the gang tonight. It's really heartening to know you can find a forum and start bonding with a few of the members. What I enjoy are the varied topics that pop up here to keep us entertained every day. There is a definite warmth about this place. Getting things in order for the night, hoping to turn in early an hour to compensate jumping ahead to daylight saving time. Still have to get to work on time. Stay healthy.

by Anonymousreply 11303/09/2019

TSG, are you nostalgic for your childhood in California? The California where working class people could live a decent life and the kids could attend good neighborhood public schools?

About the lot lizard who was tempted to return to prostitution on the truck lot, it's terrible to say but she would have been better off. Who can live on minimum wage? Why work for minimum wage all day when you could service two truckers and be done with it? Their downfall is the drugs.

by Anonymousreply 11403/09/2019

A few years back, driving across the upper Midwest, I took a break at a state rest stop in Wisconsin. Walked inside, there was a road whore sitting on a bench in the central area, between the wings for the mens and womens toilets. Knew she was a whore because she was wearing a totally see-through blouse, nothing underneath. Red lipstick smeared around her mouth. Pinned eyes. Being the Midwest, she was blonde and corn-fed - huge saggy boobs, fat ass. In short, a total wreck. I figured it'd be a hard up trucker or traveller who took her on. This was the middle of the day, so I expect she had nothing to do but wait for business to pick up.

by Anonymousreply 11503/09/2019

[quote]Pinned eyes.

I have no idea what this means.

by Anonymousreply 11603/09/2019

Worked for a cross border trucking company in South Texas. A crazy business. And one that takes a very specific set of knowledge and insight to manage well. All the technology in the world can’t stop drivers from breaking rules. Getting paid by the mile creates weird incentives. Used to think I would like the solitude. But seemed like all of them were pretty unhappy people.

by Anonymousreply 11703/09/2019

[quote]Pinned eyes.

[quote]I have no idea what this means.

Some drugs make eyes look teeny tiny as in pin pricks.

by Anonymousreply 11803/09/2019

Rode shotgun with drivers for the company I white collared for. The management wanted to see if I would like a chance to become a salesman and spend the week on the road. Was approached by many sorry looking ladies that reeked of rotting fish. Sad people, very degrading life. It turned my guts sour, so I stayed in the office for less pay.

by Anonymousreply 11903/09/2019

Fascinating thread. Thanks for the stories. My grandfather was a trucker. We lived in Brooklyn and he would be gone for a week then off for a week. I wish I had asked him more questions when he was alive. I believe his routes were all to California. My dad went with him in his teens but chose factory work over truck driving, said it was a horrible life.

I have a VW bus that I inherited and I take a lot of road trips during the summer. I have my go to truck stops that seem safe and clean because when I first got the bus and got on the road I had a few hairy experiences at truck stops/gas stations, witnessing drug deals. Never seen a lot lizard but then my bus probably puts them off and lets them know it’s a dopey millenial tourist.

My coolest experience was when my brother was with me and hurt his ankle hiking. Put us hours behind schedule and we stopped for ice at a gas station somewhere north of Phoeonix at about 2am. There were several massive, sparkling clean buses pulled in gassing up. Inside the convenience store there was a group of men dressed in cowboy hats but nice shirts and pressed jeans. My brother said “are you guys a country band or something” and they said “We’re on tour with Dolly Parton”. So I was once separated from a sleeping Dolly by only a sheet of metal! As they left, Dolly’s bus pulled out first. The guys told us she hates hotels and sleeps on the bus every night but everyone thinks they are getting to stay at the Ritz as a perk of the job.

by Anonymousreply 12003/10/2019

Pinned pupils, i.e., pupils the size of pinpoints, are a sign of drug abuse, e.g., opiate abuse.

by Anonymousreply 12103/10/2019

Growing up in Kentucky, I can tell you that the best truck stop of all is in Cementville -- where any trucker, or anyone else, can have whatever sex they want, from straight to gay to kink. I always thought it would make a fascinating documentary. I took all my visitors there and they'd come away just amazed. Amazed.

by Anonymousreply 12203/10/2019

Re: pinpoint pupils.

[quote] One of the most likely reasons someone might have pinpoint pupils is the use of narcotic pain medications and other drugs in the opioid family, such as: codeine[,] fentanyl[,] hydrocodone[,] oxycodone[,] morphine[,] methadone[, and] heroin[.]

Pinpoint Pupils: Treatments, Causes and Symptoms

Pupils that are abnormally and involuntarily small under normal lighting conditions are called pinpoint pupils, or myosis. They can be caused by certain medications and other underlying conditions. Learn more about what causes pinpoint pupils, how to recognize the signs, when to seek help from your doctor, and more.

by Anonymousreply 12303/10/2019

I did meet one in Kentucky. Her name was Jennifer Lawrence. Then, she got a Dillard's cosmetics counter makeover and the rest is Hollywood history.

by Anonymousreply 12403/10/2019

R124 lol

Also, count me in as another fan of R106 for telling off that one killjoy bitch. Like most people, I've never really given the subject of truckstops/trucking any real thought before, so I never imagined I'd find it so interesting.

As a result of this thread, I decided to look up images of sleeper cab interiors and was legitimately shocked and how nice some of them are (I'll post examples when I'm less busy here at work)

by Anonymousreply 12503/11/2019

Sending warm thoughts your way TSG, hope your week has been a good one so far.

by Anonymousreply 12603/13/2019

Count me as another fan of TSG. I love all your detailed anecdotes of a way of life that I know nothing about.

by Anonymousreply 12703/13/2019

Thanks for the comments, guys. I've been playing The Science Gay over in another part of the lounge the last couple of days. Wait until I tell them that the rectum is an erogenous zone. Butt, I guess most bottoms already know this. Are we ever going to get out of this truck stop parking lot? All the drug dealers have here is meth! Maybe the dispatcher will call and send us across the country for a pickup. So. Cal so we get to see some of the Superblooms...

by Anonymousreply 12803/14/2019

TSG, thanks to you and your anecdotes this is one of the best DL threads (in my opinion) in recent memory. I'm obsessed with Lot Lizards and the whole idea of a nomadic style life and hope you'll post anything of interest you can think of

by Anonymousreply 12903/14/2019

I liked the documentary Big Rigs r129

by Anonymousreply 13003/14/2019

R129 I'm glad to be a part of this thread and holding a couple of people's interest. Life, to me, has been doing things I might like and taking chances along the way. I went to school as a journalism major, was sports editor of the University Times, was one of the organizers of the closed system radio station on campus and left college to become a rock 'n roll dj, working at several stations on the west coast.

I'll have to find my resume to remember some of the other things I did. Oh yeah, I ran a big tropical plant nursery, spent a decade in international business, owned one of the biggest humor sites on the infant internet back in the 90s. The truck stop thing was one of the later things--a bridge to retirement. Since I retired, I've worked a couple of part-time jobs, written on various subjects online, got burned out on Twitter and found Data Lounge, where we share a good comfort.

My private life: I grew up in a conservative religious home. I knew I was gay by the age of 10, but didn't broach the subject with family until my 20s, and never told them I was atheist. Because of the family and it was pre-Stonewall, the frustration of being stifled was ended when I left home for the radio part of my life. It was like being a big fish in a small pond and I certainly made up for lost time by bedding down as many guys as I could. It was a good run for more than 50 years of my life. Now in my mid-70s, I prefer to spend most of my time with my dog.

by Anonymousreply 13103/14/2019

r131 That seals it TSG, you absolutely MUST write that book. What haven't you done? A life truly lived that's for sure, and you aren't done yet. I am *very* intrigued to know which humor site you are referring to, but I realize that might fuck up the "anonymous" part. I'm intrigued about the nursery, and having lived in California my entire life, I'm intrigued about the DJ gig. Hell, I'm intrigued about everything. Do consider the blog soon! Put one of those PayPal donate thingies (I'm so fucking technical) on there. I would most certainly throw in a few clams here and there to keep your buddy in chow and dog toys.

*Waving a Guinness in front of the screen* Cheers!

by Anonymousreply 13203/17/2019

OP, your thread got mentioned in the Gambino Crime Boss thread, pretty cool!

From reply 252: "This is like the "Lot Lizard" thread, a chance to use the Datalounge to look into a world that I will never experience in real life.

I live in a small town in the unfashionable parts of California, what do I know about New York mobsters except what I hear second hand?"

Gambino Crime Boss Shot Dead

Gambino crime boss Frank Cali, 53, is shot dead outside his Staten Island family home by a gunman who sped off in a blue pickup truck in the first major hit on a NYC Mafia don in more than 30 ...

by Anonymousreply 13303/17/2019

Thanks for popping in with more colorful details about your life, TSG. Another interested Californian, here, too, should you start that blog.

by Anonymousreply 13403/17/2019

R128 Do you mean you've been posting in the Chris Burrows thread, TSG? That's a fun weird thread. Not for the faint hearted. Would love to stalk, sorry *cough* follow your posts on other threads.

by Anonymousreply 13503/17/2019

I lived in the DC Metro area. For about a decade I would make several trips a year to my relatives in East Tennessee, and given the insane traffic on 495/66, I would sleep until midnight and then leave DC around midnight to avoid the insane traffic. Most of my time was spent on route 81, and the only vehicles on that route in the middle of the night were truckers. It was obvious that they all were on cruise control, and I enjoyed the eerie experience of passing them. I often wanted to stop at the truck stops because it sounded like the food and amenities were better than the occasional gas stations or Denny's that were open at 3 AM, but I was afraid to stop there. It was astounding the number of trucks that are on the road.

This is the sort of thread on DL that I live for and stay here for the opportunity to read. PLEASE share your stories!!!!

by Anonymousreply 13603/17/2019

TSG, of all of the many different jobs you had, what was your favorite and why?

If you could do anything over what would it be?

Sorry if these questions are boring, I am so fascinated. And this doesn't just go out to TSG, anyone who wants to chime it, I would love to know.

by Anonymousreply 13703/20/2019

TSG you said the showers were always full, did you witness a lot of hookups?

by Anonymousreply 13803/20/2019

R65 (TSG) The guy who thought he had snakes in his pants and truck was probably on bath salts (basically a cheap form of meth that can be purchased over the counter). My ex husband went through a year long spell on that shit and lost his mind for awhile. He was convinced his car and truck were infested with rats and tore them both apart from the inside out. There were no rats, but he remained convinced. Thank God he went back to normal when he stopped, we were genuinely terrified he was permanently crazy from it.

by Anonymousreply 13903/20/2019

R65 I had forgotten about bath salts, but I remember when they became popular, knockoff brands came out that were dangerous. That's some trippy stuff and I'm glad I never tried it. Thanks for the info and crazy story. It sounds like it wasn't a very pleasant time in your life.

by Anonymousreply 14003/20/2019

R138 Walking down the hall where the showers were, you could hear some crazy sexcapades going on. When we were busy I used to help the maintenance man clean the showers and would find wastebaskets with empty condom wrappers, empty boxes that were from sex toys, stuff like that. And to think the lot lizard got a free shower, too!

by Anonymousreply 14103/20/2019

R137 Hey it's fun looking back. Being a DJ was a hellalottafun for a young guy, especially with some of the fringe benefits like sex and drugs. I'd do it again. Skip ahead to my grown up years and it was a chance of a lifetime to work international for a decade of my life. The company was giving me all expense paid "working vacations" all over the globe. OK, so some of the work wasn't a vacation, but it worked out in the end.

This was back about 20 years when the political climate was different, so you understand that at the time, working in 3rd world countries made the USA the unquestionable place to be from. Sometimes when my homeward bound plane touched down on US soil I was so fucking greatful I was a citizen and wanted to kiss the ground. The experience did make me more patriotic and I'd be the first to tell people here how fortunate they were compared to living in the rest of the world.

Without a doubt, that job gave me a world view, a chance to sample other cultures, other foods, other sex, and greater respect for each and every person on the earth. I don't know how anyone could be a racist after immersing onesself into other cultures. That was my greatest job and an opportunity more should have.

Since we can't go back and change anything, we must accept all that we did as it was all a part of our learning and growing--good or bad. It produces our uniqueness.

by Anonymousreply 14203/20/2019

Lizard bump

Sending good vibes your way TSG and fellow travelers!

by Anonymousreply 14303/25/2019

See what we can do?

Smart, interesting and civil.

As I said before, welcome TSG.


by Anonymousreply 14403/25/2019

formerBHmanny, you've been posting more lately it seems, which makes me happy, as I love your insight and takes. You have some great stories to tell. I wish you would start a thread of them. Or even here would be great. It's becoming a fun story swap thread.

by Anonymousreply 14503/25/2019

TSG, did you lose a lot of friends to AIDS? The nostalgia for those days must be more sad and bitter than sweet.

by Anonymousreply 14603/25/2019

More, TSG! More!

by Anonymousreply 14703/25/2019

Thank you r145.

I posted something on a Michael Jackson thread and am now in trouble with some of my L.A. friends.

My big mouth.

by Anonymousreply 14803/26/2019

R148 formerBHmanny, I wish to chime in here and say I've noticed your posts in the last few days and think highly of them. Especially when you're in a controversial thread and along comes a comment you totally agree with, you want to see who wrote it, and that's how I became familiar with you. I probably read the Michael Jackson comment and last night I was reading a trans thread where your comment stuck out and made sense. So, let's add one more who is looking forward to your writing.

by Anonymousreply 14903/26/2019

Thank you TSG.

I've had a full life and have lots of stories.

I hope you do to.

Let's play.

by Anonymousreply 15003/26/2019

Keeping up with Justin Bieber and Joey Mills on here only makes me get behinder.

Sunday night I limped out to my car when I finished work, only to scream out when I bent my knee to get inside. My weakening knee just told me that enough was enough. I sped home, let my dog know I home, sat down and typed out my 2-week resignation form and sent it to my boss.

Two days were spent mostly in bed, then on Wednesday went to see my go-to surgeon for repairing bones. I told him it was just as bad as the left knee 10 years ago that convinced us to have a knee replacement, and I was ready to change out the right. Not so fast, he cautioned. We have other remedial tricks in our bag. I sighed, but settled on one to make him happy and give me some time to think about the future.

In short order I got a cortisone shot to the knee. "Come back in 6 weeks and we'll sort this out." At that moment my stubborn streak blurted out in my head...more like 2 weeks. Hmpf. I don't want to start feeling a bit better and think I'm ready to look for another job. There is a lot of yard work to do and I need the time off. But the knee was a great true excuse to bail out of a job that was driving me bonkers. You might say I needed a little kick and that raging pain from the knee did it.

Sometimes we put up with some things that we keep rationalizing to make a change that sounds a little scary, even though it might be a change for the better. Know what I mean?

by Anonymousreply 15103/28/2019

Damn, TSG. Sorry to hear about that. Sending healing vibes. And yes, I do know what you mean.

by Anonymousreply 15203/28/2019

formerBHmanny: thanks for the shout back. I'm sorting through old resumes, trying to get a timeline of what I was doing when. ---- Have you heard that new hit song, "Sucker For You"? It's by a group called Jonas and the 3 Beards. ---- R146...No, I did not lose friends to AIDS. About the time it was becoming a thing, I moved from Orange County to work on a start-up out in the boonies, where the only ones catching it were pigs and goats. I did have a lover I split with and about 6 months later (the last time I spoke with him) he had gotten HIV. I looked him up on Google a couple of years ago. Still alive and about double his weight. ---- I really got tired of the Twitter political scene I was in. You couldn't be amazed anymore and everything was a re-hash. New people were joining like crazy and couldn't follow what we were talking about. THEN, I discovered datalounge! I prefer to laugh than cringe about what a madman is doing. There is a certain comfort being with a lot of people who have gone through similar things growing up. Lately, I've fixated on the early 70s, wishing there was a time machine. There are a lot of things on here reminding me of my supergay times when we were starting to come out of the shadows. Spending weekends in West Hollywood, always with someone new.

by Anonymousreply 15303/28/2019

I really wish you well.

I turned 47 this month. Still viable, but the hot is gone.

It's a new world and the parts start to go.

And don't let the elder gay shit get you.

My life is better now. I hope yours is too.

by Anonymousreply 15403/28/2019

Do you guys worry a lot about money in older age? Seems like you’ve lived full lives. But I seem to always worry about retirement rather than enjoying life today.

by Anonymousreply 15503/28/2019

I'm going on faith that this is real.

Buy something. A condo, a house, a lot of land or a business.

I pissed through so much money it's sick.

The new car, awesome clothes and going out all the time get's you nothing.

My apartment in Boston is now worth a little shy of a million. I payed 125K for it and only because my parents made me.

And btw, I really don't feel old and still look good at the beach.

by Anonymousreply 15603/28/2019

My comments are almost identical, except the numbers are a lot lower, based on where I live. I also pissed through a lot of money, but don't regret it, and I never expected to live this long. I also had some financial losses, one being my 401 plan was decimated by the company I worked for, which incidentally, was a truck stop company. This happened during the recession a little before I retired.

Six and a half years ago I scraped together a down payment to get the house I live in. It is bigger and nicer than the one I grew up in within the Los Angeles city limits. Today that one is worth $825,000. The price I paid for this house was around $100,000, but it's Texas. After Hurricane Harvey hit the area (after the strike in Houston it went back out to sea, moved north and came back on land where I live), it wiped out a lot of houses and created a shortage. Also, the oil production within driving distance of here, has created 100s of jobs, also setting off a seller's market. In these 6 and a half years, the valuation of my house has increased 50%. The past couple of months it has been increasing at a rate of $100 per DAY.

Of course, those valuation dollars don't buy the groceries. This is where my social security comes in, along with a part-time job I just quit, more than enough to take care of me with extra money each month going into my savings account. I'm not sitting pretty, but I'm also not surviving paycheck to paycheck. I'm frugal now--something I never was most of my life. I lived a rollercoaster, so not so panicked like some people would be. The only thing I owe on is my mortgage--no credit card debt.

by Anonymousreply 15703/28/2019

Thanks guys. Both educational. I think people actually live on a lot less in older years. I’ve shifted to going out less often and spending more time at home cooking and watching tv. Not as exciting but much cheaper. I find my need to buy anything but the most basic of necessities has slowly waned. Still spend more then I should - in part because of the temptations of living in an expensive city. But you guys are encouraging that money isn’t the biggest issue in your life (which is why capitalism today makes us terrified of old age)

by Anonymousreply 15803/28/2019

R158 Hey, thanks for the comments. It may have taken me a few more years to get to this point, but I was still playing Daddy until a couple of years ago.

R156 That new car. But wasn't it worth it? I drove into the parking lot of a W. Hollywood nightclub in a brand new 1973 orange Datsun 240Z. I never got to park the car. A group of guys came over to the passenger side. I rolled down the window, did a little chit chat, then winked at the one I wanted. The others left the circle, he got in the car, and we took off to my place. After a wild romp on my bed we returned to the club. He rejoined his friends. Within a few minutes I found the second guy I would take home--and he hadn't even seen the car yet! You decide. Did I really need that car? It may have helped my confidence, but my numbers were looking good in 1973.

by Anonymousreply 15903/28/2019

Another TSG fan here!! (And BHmanny too)

by Anonymousreply 16003/28/2019

The NYT is doing a two-part series on Lot Lizards and the people who try to help those that are being trafficked. The title of the article is "Fighting Sex Trafficking at the Truck Stop"; installment 1 was posted yesterday.

Posting from my phone so I can't copy it here but someone with a subscription might do so

by Anonymousreply 16104/03/2019

As you wish, sir.

Opinion | Fighting Sex Trafficking at the Truck Stop

Truckers are urged to report sex trafficking on their routes. It’s not “the world’s oldest profession,” one says. “It’s the world’s oldest oppression. These are slaves.”

by Anonymousreply 16204/03/2019


by Anonymousreply 16304/03/2019

There used to be a website for gay/bi truckers to hook up I think they even had a newsletter.

by Anonymousreply 16404/03/2019

Thanks r162

by Anonymousreply 16504/04/2019

A great read for fans of this thread.

Robert Ben Rhoades: The Truck Stop Killer

He was methodical, he rode the highways, and he preyed on teenage girls. Girls who'd run away. Girls no one would miss. In the summer of 1985, the author was such a girl. One night on I-95, she hitched a ride from a stranger and endured the most terrifying moments of her life. Now, years later, she returns to the scenes of her fugitive youth looking for clues to that terror—and the girls who lost their lives to it

by Anonymousreply 16604/09/2019

r166 Thanks!

Sending warm thoughts to TSG and formerBHManny

by Anonymousreply 16704/09/2019

I'm so glad this is still going.

by Anonymousreply 16804/09/2019

r168 It will be FOREVAH! if I have anything to say about it.

by Anonymousreply 16904/09/2019

I wish I had a great story to tell.

I'll work on it .

Sick of tRump, trans stuff and politics in general.

by Anonymousreply 17004/09/2019

R170 Same here. You have had many wonderful stories in the past. A lot of the new kids may not have heard them. Don't be shy about reposting your stories. Sending cozy vibes to you and TSG and everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 17104/09/2019

Okay, this is bothering me from way upthread. Truckers who are sleeping in their trucks run their engines all night to power their tv/fridge/dvd player/ac/whatever. That seems wasteful and polluting. Why not have elec hookups like they do for RVs and boats in slips? charge per kwh or something but at least they're not burning diesel.

by Anonymousreply 17204/09/2019

R172, in my state that’s illegal unless the temperature is below a certain degree or above a certain degree so they don’t freeze or roast.

I forgot what the degrees are off the top of my head but there is a number.

by Anonymousreply 17304/10/2019

OMG I’m so glad somebody posted about this documentary. I got a little stoned the other night and came across it on amazon prime. I was literally screaming with laughter at: “my name is T....... short for Tequila”. I also throughly enjoyed the toothless elderly lot lizard who was blind from untreated advanced syphilis. Great laughs!

by Anonymousreply 17404/10/2019

Is the serial killer mentioned the one who took a photo of a girl that was posted here awhile back? She was in what looked like a barn and dressed in a black dress. Supposedly taken right before her death.

by Anonymousreply 17504/10/2019

Yes r175 Robert Ben Rhoades

by Anonymousreply 17604/10/2019

Yeah r174 it wasn't exactly a poignant documentary. I feel for all those women but most of them didn't come off too well. I felt bad for the mother trying to go straight but Christ why show your kids face? Also someone is going to find out and her kid will be teased eventually.

by Anonymousreply 17704/10/2019

TSG resurfaces. It's been 2 weeks since the cortisone injection to my knee and I'll be calling the doctor's office tomorrow to see how soon I can get in to see him. The cortisone shot didn't have any healing attributes, but was full of side effects. The most pronounced was the gas it was creating. They weren't popcorn farts, but long ones with trailers and it lasted 5 days. At work I had to be ready to back away from people when I felt another one rip, beyond my control. If only I could have had farts like these as a preteen, I could have been the biggest nuisance around.

I was so amazed by these farts, I googled "does cortisone give you gas?" Sure enough, and many other side effects. It wasn't my imagination I also had mild headaches (something I hadn't had in years), but dizziness, lack of appetite and a few other things that put me out of sorts. But the pain from my spent knee persists. Now that the Doc has proof to convince the insurance company that other treatments don't work, they can approve my new, custom-made artificial knee. I think we're making progress.

by Anonymousreply 17804/10/2019

Glad you are still with us TSG and not gone with the wind (I'll show myself out). Steroids can have so many weird side effects. Prednisone gives me a rare one: severe bone pain, as in the you wish for death kind of pain. I'm sorry it didn't work for you, but you'll be better off in the long run. New knee! Do you have an idea of the timeframe to have the procedure done?

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As soon as the Doc agrees with me, he sends me to the lab for an MRI of the knee, which goes to the custom knee people. It takes them about 3 weeks, then the operation date is scheduled. The replacement, done in the morning, takes about an hour and a half. Later in the day they have you walking. You are kept overnight and sent home the next morning. A therapist shows up at your house for a couple of weeks, then you go to a therapy clinic for final follow up. After that, I guess you can take dance lessons if you want.

by Anonymousreply 18104/10/2019

Just found this thread. Love it! Good luck with the knee TSG. Keep writing, please.

by Anonymousreply 18204/10/2019

I am sapping out. I guess I am feeling my age and how fleeting it all is. These stories by TSG, formerBHManny, and everyone else, are not just fascinating but help me remember a certain time, that we aren't dead yet, and that there are more adventures in store.

*Sees the hook coming for me* MARY!

by Anonymousreply 18304/14/2019

Just checking back.

Off topic but TSG, knee surgery has come a long way and is almost always successful.

The rehab takes time and sucks. Cortisone shots are just postponing what will need to be done.

Love your writing and I wish you the very best.

by Anonymousreply 18404/14/2019

R183 you brought up a good point about bringing us back to earlier years. There are a lot of threads here that shake up the memory. It seems quite a few I've recently read are nested in the 70s and have really been flipping the switches upstairs. There is just so much we have experienced, yet not dwelled upon for many years. I have to go back to some of my earlier work resumes to try to put things in order.

by Anonymousreply 18504/14/2019

R185 TSG, hope you'll be out of pain soon and glad you're in a nostalgic state of mind. We long to hear your stories.

by Anonymousreply 18604/14/2019

Thanks R186. When you get older, you always have pain. With arthritis you can usually put it in with the "background noise" and not even bother to acknowledge it. Bare kneebones rubbing against each other is a different story. Speaking of getting old, there is a great thread I've been following this week called "Aging gays." I'd give you the link if I knew how to... Dealing with not just pain, but all of the things that can adversely affect eldergays, is a lot better when you have others to commiserate with. I'm surprised that men in their 40s and 50s are already getting a taste of what's ahead. Give it a browse. I can guarantee there's something there that we can share with you.

by Anonymousreply 18704/14/2019

Just seeing this thread for the first time tonight. Enjoyed it. The serial killer stuff is freaky, dark side of the human condition I suppose. I agree with the sappy one above - about realizing how time - just gets past us in a big hurry and we didn't really realize it would rush to pass so fast. My grandmother warned me about this when I was 23 and she was 77 - she told me, life really goes fast. And I yeah, yeah her. Sorry gram, I get it now.

by Anonymousreply 18804/14/2019

Thanks, R187, I'll look for it. Time marches on.

by Anonymousreply 18904/14/2019

TSG, is it this thread about aging you are referring to?

Aging gays

What are the signs you notice that remind you that you're getting older?

by Anonymousreply 19004/15/2019

Yuppers, that's it! Thanks for the extra effort.

by Anonymousreply 19104/15/2019

I miss you all! *sniff*

by Anonymousreply 19204/23/2019

Hope all is well with you TSG, formerBHmanny and everyone else who have contributed their stories, or have read the stories here.

This thread is a treasure.

by Anonymousreply 19304/26/2019

R193 Thanks for checking in. Other than all of the pollens blowing around here (and probably everywhere else), there's not much else to complain about. We've got so many good threads on DL right now, it's been tough keeping caught up, which is a good thing. Movie Dance Sequences has been spectacular. Still noting all the common ailments in Aging Gays. Hope everyone else is doing OK.

by Anonymousreply 19404/26/2019

Sending good thoughts your way TSG, and to all who lurk on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 19505/13/2019

Thanks for the good thoughts! We can always use them. Nothing serious, but my schedule has been in disarray of late. Maybe things get back to normal. Doctors' offices are not very efficient around here and you have to keep after them all of the time to get things done.

Example: I went to my regular doctor for a pre-operation exam to make sure I am fit for surgery. I had to keep on them to get the results sent to the surgeon. Medicare denies moving on to the next step because we haven't waited long enough to see if the cortisone injection did any good after a 6-week waiting period. The cortisone didn't do any good on day 1, but it has no affect on their decisions. Medicare will make sure to drag this out as long as possible so I can't go back to work in a timely manner.

Life goes on, we eat and sleep and throw in a little entertainment. See you around DL.

by Anonymousreply 19605/18/2019

Any updates on how you are doing TSG, or are you still gutting through the waiting game?

I am currently drinking Seagrams 7 and eating these fabulous Korean shrimp chips (TRY THEM!), getting a double high from the alcohol and the MSG. Yes, I am trash, bitches.

Hugs to all of my fellow Lizardians.

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by Anonymousreply 19706/02/2019

Those Korean shrimp chips look wonderfully unhealthy, r197. Can't wait to try them with cold,unhealthy vodka and tonic. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 19806/02/2019

R197 Here, back, slightly buzzed. I forgot to mention that I like these dipped in Sambal Oelek. If you don't have that, Sriracha will do, but Sambal Oelek is 5x the flavor depth of Siracha. It is only a little hotter, but much tastier, a bit less sweet. Not usually too hard to find. I think you will like it. I swear I am not a shill.

R198 I would TOTALLY snuggle with you. Wafting shrimp, MSG, booze and Sambal vapors in your face. I know, so hot.

OK, maybe I am a bit more than slightly buzzed...

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by Anonymousreply 19906/02/2019

Great threat thank you TSG I enjoy your writing and insights into a culture we know so little about. Please keep writing in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 20006/03/2019

Good Luck TSG hope your operation is successful and you are 100% again.

by Anonymousreply 20106/03/2019

Hope all goes well, TSG.

R199 thanks for the extremely decadent snack recommendations.

by Anonymousreply 20206/03/2019

I'm sure you could interest some truck drivers in your snacks, especially when you describe them as unhealthy. The Medicare finally approved my knee replacement next week. They had turned it down once, wanting more info from the doctor. They keep throwing up roadblocks, hoping you give up and limp off into the sunset. Eldergays relying on Medicare be sure to get a Plan D insurance provider right away when you get your Medicare. It can really help, cost-wise, even though they do challenge the doctors.

by Anonymousreply 20306/04/2019

Lot Lizards are the ones who've been exiled to the Island of Misfit Whores.

by Anonymousreply 20406/04/2019

r203 GREAT news TSG! Please keep us posted. All gory details welcome. I'll continue sending you healing vibes, I just don't want to nag you while you are recovering (after you are knitted up, all bets in the nagging department are off, however.)

There is a guy on here recovering from tongue cancer, and the Frauen are doing the whole, are you better yet? Are you OK? We haven't heard from you in 5 hours and we are worried. Never mind that you can't swallow, take that trip to London you've always wanted to go on! You've got this! etc. Oy fucking Vey. I'm sure they mean well (*cough*) but It would make me fucknuts.

Sending hugs, vibes, and snacks.

by Anonymousreply 20506/08/2019

Oops, forgot to include this thread I have been reading on Medicare. Some good info here for any of us heading that way.

Are you on medicare?

Do you like it? Happy with the care and choice of doctors? Do you have a supplementary plan? How much do you pay for that per month?

by Anonymousreply 20606/08/2019

Hi TSG, thinking of you, I figured you would post any updates if you had any or felt like it, so just continuing beaming healing vibes your way!

by Anonymousreply 20706/21/2019

Didn't former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevy used to hand out at truck stops?

by Anonymousreply 20806/21/2019

To bad with Auto driving trucks, this whole industry, and the industry that supports them will be a thing of the past in 10 years. It will be the LARGEST "out of a job" group that will put a strain on this countries less then stellar humanitarian, financial and health safety net. Close to 4 million truck drivers, and close to 8 million that support the industry. Lot lizards, no more.

by Anonymousreply 20906/21/2019

Saw this and thought of my fellow fans on this subject. Some interesting stuff in the comments.

TSG, how are things with you?

Let’s Get REAL About Lot Lizards

Let’s Get REAL About Lot Lizards

by Anonymousreply 21007/06/2019

I ain't never seen a lot lizard that pretty.

by Anonymousreply 21107/08/2019

Love's truck stops...this guy has NEVAH! been approached by a lot lizard or *gasp* seen needles at their stops. A shill for Love's? Deluded? Too ugly even for the lizards? Maybe a combo.

Why yes I possibly do have a Google Alert set for lot lizard news, but I'll never tell!

Truck stop would benefit community

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