Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

Treasons I Speak (The Mueller Investigation Part 84) (February 19, 2019)

Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85) (February 23, 2019)

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Another great title OP!

Paul Manafort's new look.

^Manafort may not get the chance to become recluse and have companionship cats, r6.

R1 R2 R3

Please tell me r8 is a parody!

^^^What is that???

Yes, it is, R9!!!

I was trying to mimic the guy who says our OP is a racist and woman-hater.

Thanks for getting the joke!

What happened to the midnight thing?

Well?

The judge has to do heavy redacting, R12, before release.

I found an article that summarizes what we know so far.

That is the 'genius' of Trump and his cronies, I suppose. By doing their worst right out in the open for all to see, the lemmings just assume there’s no wrong there. Cuz, you know, if they were doing something illegal, surely they wouldn’t be so brazen, right?

I remember him nattering away on some NY news show a long time ago about how The Apprentice was the number one show in the rating that week, when all you had to do was look at the TV ratings in Entertainment Weekly to see that it was hovering somewhere around #20. It was bewildering to me back then because he tossed this stuff out so casually and so unblinkingly; rather than suspect him of lying, it made you distrust the Nielsen ratings.

Manafort filing coming very soon. Between now and the next couple hours.

If the Lindsey Graham obsessive posts something about him today, I’m blocking him.

I'm with you, R17.

I bet Lindsay will say something about the Manafort filing. How shameful it is to drag this very decent man through the mud.

Actually, the Senatrice is probably already asking Uncle Peter to be prepared with her smelling salts.

He probably will, R19, but who cares. We certainly don’t need 4 or 5 posts about him in this thread once he does. Again, start a dedicated LG thread. He is not relevant to the Mueller investigation.

[Quote] I find it odd that there seems to be a spike in the number of Pro-Trump and divisive tweets posted around 2-4am EST. This would be between 10am and Noon Moscow time. Russia is either still trying to influence Americans' minds or the bulk of Trump supporters are on Moscow-time.

I'd like to say something in defense of the Lindsay updates: it's because he's always out and about doing something stupid. It gives (me, at least) something to direct my annoyance/anger at while we wait. Honestly, if Ivanka was as much of a media whore as the senator, I'd feel the same way.

Start a thread just about him and your annoyance/anger then.

[QUOTE] Russia is either still trying to influence Americans' minds

Russia, China, Israel, and more, and the Russians aren't just targeting America, Europe has been getting a big dose of right-wing money and propaganda as well.

I made a Lindsey Graham Thread for all your Senatrice needs, because I used to enjoy posting as Miss Lindsey, but not after the golf outing.

There's more 'I don't want Lindsey posts' than there are actual Lindsey fun and information posts.

You 'Closet Queen Anonymous' deflectors for Miss Lindsey are a hoot.

When will the judge finally be finished redacting, and how many Sharpies did it take?

800 page memo just published

And thank god MSNBC has the ever capable Kendis Gibson on to tackle it all.

Link to document:

Any lawyers here good at speed-reading?

Unless the thing is half redacted.

Lol

Kendis talking about his colleagues staying up all night waiting for this to be filed- “Last time I did that was waiting for Beyonce at Coachella.” Love him.

"An ARRAY of felonies over a decade through to the Fall of 2018!!!!!!!!"

800 pages? WTF?? Why?

R35, lots and lots of crimes, I suspect.

Just think if Manafort hadn't become Trump's campaign manager his crimes might never have come to light. For every Manafort who gets caught I wonder how many are still out there, a hundred, a thousand?

Most of the 800 pages are already public-facing documents, we're not learning much new - MSNBC legal analyst.

Here comes Ken Delanian to pour cold water on all of us. Ken says there is NO RUSSIAN CONSPIRACY AT ALL in this document! None! No collusion!

Ken has spoken!

R39 He says there’s no mention in the document of Russia or collusion.

How long before Trump tweets “NO COLLUSION!”?

R39, well, he’s certainly totally reliable. How long ago was he wrong about something? Two days ago?

I just about puked listening to Ken. It was unreal. I had to check to make sure I hadn’t accidentally changed the channel to Fox News.

Ken is really saying Mueller has nothing on russian collusion. He literally said that.

WHET QAnon?

When will Mueller REVEAL that he is secretly working with Trump to expose and jail THE DEEP STATE?!?!!

That nut on the last thread said that Bill and Hillary will be in prison before 2020 and most likely dead, thanks to the efforts of The Alliance and the rest.

Fun activity: search “Ken Dilanian” on Twitter, set results to ‘Latest’, and read the responses to his assholery from the last few minutes.

What it boils down to is that the law is enforced selectively, rich and well-connected people being exempt from its consequences, and that a third or more of Americans are fine with that because they see government in tribal terms and not in terms of the rule of law. Fairness and single standards have to be part of the Democrats' constant message.

I've always thought collusion was the weak link in the Trump criminal chain, so I won't be surprised when it's reported there is no collusion.

If Trump & Company go to jail, it will be for tax evasion, money laundering and fraud.

Of course there's fucking collusion between the campaign and Russia. Duh.

The question is: is there any evidence that TRUMP knew what was going on?

R37 you make an excellent point. I 'm mystified. If I'm late paying my income tax I get busted. There isn't a single basic felony in this world that an ordinary citizen would get away with for the most part. Yet guys like Trump and Manafort and hundreds of others steal tens of millions and skate. My question is why wasn't Manafort caught sooner. Same with Trump, for sure.

Kendilanian must be a "stooge," programmed by NBC's execs and corporate overlords to keep Trump from harrassing them too much, or singling them out, on Twitter and at rallies.

That’s the only explanation I can think of, r49.

Here’s the collusion between the campaign and Russia that we know of, just from COURT FILINGS. This is not counting all the lies the Trump campaign, transition team, and administration have told about their RU contacts, or attempts to conceal them:

Manafort passed internal, private polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik and lied about it.

Roger Stone was in contact with the GRU hackers and WikiLeaks, and lied about it.

That is criminal conspiracy with Russia at the campaign level.

OP, thank you for your treasonable threads. They help me get through the Trump madness.

DL, thank you for your posts. They help me, too.

Now, I have some theories to throw out there. And, I'd like to ask DL to help make sense of them. I'll do one now and more later.

I believe that US/Russia involvement started long before Trump. And, that was at the 2009 Obama inauguration. When Senator McConnell and other GOP senators swore to make Obama a 1 term president. In that the GOP were willing to do anything to hurt President Obama. Even conspiring with Russia.

DL dreamboat Andy McCabe on the possible connections between Russian organized crime, Donald Trump, and figure skating:

when the fuck is Corsi getting indicted? He should be in jail just for spreading lies about Kerry and Obama alone

I guess Dilanian requires a video of Trump and someone recognizably Russian discussing how they will hack the voting rolls and steal the election. Nothing less will suffice for him. What an asshole.

I had a paperroute as a kid. I’m Catholic, but only the Easter weekend was sacrosanct. I recall trying to collect on a regular Sunday for my papers from an old, troublesome lady. She did bother to open the door, before closing it in my face saying “Not on a Sunday, not on a Sunday. It’s a great line to use.

So, whenever anything like this news breaks on a Sunday, which I know today is not, I always think of shrieking that at whomever. DataLounge doesn’t get it, unfortunately.

Mueller is using his filings as partial public reports.

They are breadcrumbs for the future for the redacted portions. .

Mueller is brilliant.

IMO the best person to make sense of this and put it in context is Seth Abramson. Here's his latest Twitter thread about Mueller's new Manafort report. In a nutshell, Seth says you can't read much into this report, because Mueller is obviously still keeping things very much close to his vest - but considering there is already so much evidence for Trump/Russia collusion (Seth has already written one book documenting it and is working on a second book), anyone who still doubts it or tries to sow doubt (like Dilanian) is a shitty and lazy journalist.

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I think this was the last updated thread before DL got frozen... Okay, what did R57 do? ;-D

Any updates?

For some comic relief...

Vladimir Putin threatened to nuke the United States last week.

And it barely registered for 10 seconds on the network news.

I'm still trying to process that.

That’s OK, R62. A nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan seems more likely in the near future.

Joyce says this means that Mueller is holding back the Russian charges. He doesn't want that out there yet. She said the fact that there is not one word is the big clue to that being the case. There will be further indictments that will be about Russia but not till Mueller is ready to bring it all down. So take deep breath.

Link to Joyce Vance comments

The Apprentice ratings lying is laughable. I don't think it was ever number one, not even for a week. It had a few solid seasons then stopped fast down the charts.

Pres Bone Spurs must be itching for another fix. When is the next klan rally?

Ganga Tarot on Barr

This thread is odd — it was deselected automatically in my “threads to watch”, and was frozen for hours last night.

Just when it gets juicy, too.

Datalounge was on the frizz r69.

Did somebody say ‘Frizz”?

it’s Fritz!

I had trouble getting DL access. Then I remembered someone saying "go to the Kellyanne's Pussy thread". I googled it, and amazingly it worked!

David Corn:

Not saying it was appropriate conduct, but the @amyklobuchar fork story has now received more coverage in less than a day than Donald Trump's mob ties received during the entire 2016 campaign.

R73, Kellyanne's pussy can work all sorts of wonders.

I love Joyce Vance! Ken Dilabian can suck it.

[quote]Kellyanne's pussy can work all sorts of wonders.

I share her rage.

And, I'm "Anonymous", the author of the famous NY Times Op-Ed.

I saw that live, r78. It was thrilling.

She is, of course, 100% right. The media just accepted this shit as being normal and covered the Trump campaign like any other. Their crimes were not just evident, they were framed with fucking chaser lights. And what did the press do? Equate, chuckle, ignore.

Why are liberals so willing to give the opposition the benefit of the doubt, all the while bashing their own? To appear fair and even-handed?!? How is it fair to ignore blatant wrongdoing? It’s maddening. JFC.

Alan Dershowitz was just on ABC This Week. What a moron. He was bleating on and on about how the Repugs should be able to file a simultaneous response to the Mueller report. Yeah, like that would work.

Let's see, DL threads go into unhinged, hissy rage if Miss Lindsey is mentioned and shuts down DL, but Kellyanne's Pussy is something to cherish?

I hope whoever interviewed Dershowitz on ABC ended the interview by saying, "And just to remind our viewers, Alan, you vigorously defended in a court of law your good friend, child rapist Jeffrey Epstein. Thanks for coming in. And now, here's Stacy with the weather!"

I was watching This Week on ABC, but the panel was hard to watch because the Obama guy kept talking over everybody, even his fellow democrat Heidi Heitkamp. He was like the democratic version of Kellyanne Conway.

Yeah, he was bad but he had to counter that Repug blowhard Alex Castellanos.

For those who didn't see This Week, Castellano was talking about the three democratic lanes in the primaries. He identified the Establishment primary, the Progressive primary and the "Obama/black" primary. It was such a tactless, old white guy thing to say.

Per Scott Dworkin:

BREAKING: Chairman Schiff just said he will have Mueller testify in front of Congress if the report isn’t made public. Schiff made it clear any attempts to obstruct the report from being publicly released will not be tolerated. He’s willing to subpoena and sue anyone. Awesome.

Could Barr put a gag order on Mueller to prevent him from sharing the entire findings at a hearing?

R88 I don't think that is possible. Gag orders typically come from a judge in a trial. I don't think the AG has the power to issue a gag order on Mueller. If so, Trump would have tried that by this time by having Barr order Cohen not to testify. They can do things like totally classify it so Mueller can't testify about it in public but I think there will be outrage if the report isn't released publicly. It was funded by tax payers. We have a right to see it. Government officials don't own it, we do.

When Peter Strozk testified, he kept referring to the fact that there were things the FBI wouldn't clear him to talk about. I expect the FBI to be a bigger issue than Barr.

If Mueller's report is complete, and he leaves the DOJ, wouldn’t he then be a private citizen? How could Barr prevent him from testifying?

I'm afraid that the government might find it so damaging that they will suppress it for "the good of the country." If what we know is reported 1) Russia assisted Trump by using social media "fake news" 2) Russia tampered with registration rolls in key states that Trump won marginally 3) Trump campaign coordinated the release of stolen emails 4) Trump and Campaign were willing to work with Russia on stolen emails from Hillary Clinton 4) Russia funneled millions of money to the NRA which used it to elect Republicans 5) Republicans knew where the money was coming from accepted it anyway 5) Trump and/or campaign passed sensitive information to Russia and/or Saudis 6) And so much more. I'm afraid that the report could be so damning that it would destroy government (Lots of republican senators and reps indicted and the president/vice president being illegally elected. The constitution doesn't have a remedy for this so the report must be hidden to "protect the republic."

Americans went psychotic when they didn’t get a good explanation for LOST.

I’m pretty sure they will demand to see the full report.

Once you've had top secret clearance, you have to hold those secrets for life - whether you're a government employee or not. McCabe was discussing this when asked if he had seen additional information that indicted Trump. He alluded that he had but couldn't elaborate.

R92 - these are EXACTLY the reasons the Mueller Report NEEDS to be released. These assholes must be punished with the LOSE of their power in 2020 and it must NEVER happen again.

Some content of the Mueller report may be withheld for national security reasons, I. e. cetain surveillence techniques and technology applied, applied, names of informants including international intelligence sources, names of agents on the ground, avoid compromising auxillary investigations that are ongoing, etc.

Otherwise, culprits, rationales, findings, prosecuting recommendations, and related, need to be shared.

LOL, R93!

It’s incredible to me how much the media is talking about this stupid meeting between the dotard and the murderer of North Korea. Why aren’t they condemning this meeting? The leader of North Korea is a torturer, murderer and all-out despicable human being. Then the media is talking about the possibility of the US lifting sanctions. What the fuck! Will there be someone in that room with the two fat pigs, or is this going to be like a Putin meeting? That dotard is a traitor.

I'm totally hoping for a "wheels up" moment from Mueller when AF1 takes off for Vietnam. North Korea president is traveling by train because they don't have planes which can make it to Europe or apparently Vietnam for that matter. And we're worried about their long range missiles?

Be honest R99 - would YOU get on a North Korean commercial airplane?

R100 LOL I don't think I'd get on a North Korean train.

[quote]Let's see, DL threads go into unhinged, hissy rage if Miss Lindsey is mentioned and shuts down DL, but Kellyanne's Pussy is something to cherish?

I was annoyed by the Kellyanne pussy comments, and I was even gonna complain about the David Corn post re: Klobuchar as it is not at all relevant to Trump/Russia...but there’s a huge difference: you post about Lindsay Graham, what, 5-10x every day? The Kellyanne shit seems to have been a momentary thing, right? Do you not understand the difference?

W&W for R93. Bravo.

[quote]Could Barr put a gag order on Mueller to prevent him from sharing the entire findings at a hearing?

He can't stop Mueller from complying with a Congressional subpoena and answering whatever questions are put to him. How much of that would actually be released is uncertain,. but Barr can't order him not to comply with Congress. He'd be in hot water if he tried.

I don’t think AGs can issue “gag orders” per se. That’s something only a judge can do.

[quote]I was annoyed by the Kellyanne pussy comments, and I was even gonna complain about the David Corn post re: Klobuchar as it is not at all relevant to Trump/Russia...but there’s a huge difference: you post about Lindsay Graham, what, 5-10x every day? The Kellyanne shit seems to have been a momentary thing, right? Do you not understand the difference?

I am not the poster you are persistently trolling, but I have posted on Lindsey Graham at times, including recently. You trying to control what people post is a frequent pattern and an obsession. You are rude and offensive. Block whomever you disagree with, but perhaps stop posting their reply #s to see what they say. By the way, I have been a dues paying member for years. Are you?

You can't grasp the role Graham plays as it relates to the investigation. He's out there being dismissive that the forthcoming Mueller Report. Unlike the poster you are attacking, I won't offer a link for you. Graham is Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. The Mueller report goes to Congress. Because you fail to grasp the connection, it is not the fault of the thread contributor.

Kellyanne's Pussy is a synecdoche for the Trump Administration.

It lies, it stinks...

W&W for R102. Thank you.

Heck, I will post something on fricking Lindsey to give the bitches something to complain about. Am not the Graham news informer, but am in SC and know him. Am a Democrat, upper middle aged lesbian, 23% Cherokee, I know him, and 40 miles or so in the hills from his home community in north Georgia just over the line.

Even on a Sunday, Graham is on Fox News or wherever. He doesn't miss a day or opportunity. To add, I don't find Kellyanne's Pussy appealing whatsoever.

FF R106, R109.

I've been on vacation and missed most of the last thread and this one.

What is this crap about complaining about Graham posts? That has been a staple on ALL these threads and I'm suspicious that someone now is trying to control what people posts about him.

Graham is heavily involved in all of this and continues to enable Dotard. People can and will post about Graham all they want if you don't like it, ignore it. The posts bitching about it take up way more space than those actual posts about him.

I guess the Senatrice googled and found the, "I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons," thread and didn't like it one bit!!!

FF R111.

Exactly r111

Look at R108's history and you'll have no doubt it's a troll.

FF R108 and get The Senatrice out of here.

Something people tend to ignore....If Barr in any way tries to hinder Mueller, he himself can be charged with obstruction. FACT. Other AGs have been charged with crimes in the past....NOBODY IS ABOVE THE LAW.

McConnel BUSTED giving sweetheart deals to KY cronies.

This is really explosive, and any other year would have been a major scandal.

Let’s hope this story makes it through the news. Quid pro quos are still illegal. For now.

I think it’s the stupid Lindsay jokes that are getting old to people. It’s just not funny anymore.

If you have any actual news about him, which good luck because the media is not getting to the bottom of his switch.

I don’t care personally but the Lindsay jokes are played out.

In case you need a Randy Rainbow break:

A thousand times what r117 said!

Yes, it's the Lindsey jokes that are played out and boring at this point.

Politico article about the McConnell cronyism

R61, I texted her about actually doing it. She would.

They need to get Rosanne Barr to do the intro to R61's audio book. It'd be nothing but a collection of angry shrieks.

Even now the media portrays a lot of this as "partisan squabbles." The Republicans engage in petty small time political tit for tat. Dershowitz or Giuliani suggesting they produce their own response to the Mueller report? Are they fucking shitting me? The Mueller report is definitive. This is NOT partisan politics as usual. I love Sarah Kenzior and she is brilliant. Ken Dilanian could not lick the shit off the soles of her shoes.

R117 gets it. That’s all I’ve been trying to say. Look, even if Graham says something bitchy abiut Republicans or Democrats who don’t support Trump’s emergency declaration, that STILL has nothing to do with the Russia investigation. I’m sorry, it just doesn’t. Neither does anything about Kamala Harris’ candidacy or Klobuchar’s or anything else.

These threads are about THE MUELLER PROBE; they are not a depository for any and all political news or snark you feel you need to get out. There ARE other threads for those topics. Find them, and use them.

I know some of you just don’t understand this, and you really can’t help it, but this is REALLY not that complicated.

You guys need to let it go. I sympathize but your complaint posts are far more abrasive and disruptive than the LG posts.

No these threads are not solely about the Mueller probe, they never have been. They've always been about EVERYTHING all the Rethugs are doing to destroy America.

Stop trying to dictate what people talk about in here. You're the minority.

# of silly LG snark posts with links to pictures of him that slow the loading/scrolling of the thread = 1,000

# of complaint posts about the bullshit LG posts = like maybe 15 total?

If we keep these threads clean and focused on news and speculation about the Mueller probe, we wouldn’t need 70 threads. So much of what gets posted here is bullshit clutter. Once again, because I know this is difficult for you: there are other threads about politics. Use them.

Yes, I know I’m not the boss of all of you, but I should be. My strict managerial style would only improve things around here. Now WHERE ARE MY SALAD UTENSILS

You're being a pill, r127.....

[quote]Yes, I know I’m not the boss of all of you, but I should be. My strict managerial style would only improve things around here. Now WHERE ARE MY SALAD UTENSILS

Is the type of person who is totally unaware of how moronic and tedious everyone else thinks he is.

Block away.

STFU r125.

This is why Datalounge is great.

Keep at 'em boys and girls. History will prove us right.

Again, we are the smart people. Never, ever give up.

LG posts, Lady Gaga? It is the Academy Awards tonight.

She'll win for the song.

Leave her alone.

r131 No one cares about her.

Lilian Gish?

Lee Greenwood?

Lee Grant?

Linda Gray

Leif Garrett

Louis Gossett

Lecy Goranson!!!

R127, then block all you want. You don't have to declare it as if you are getting an Oscar tonight. You emulate Graham himself with the attention craving. You've posted more LG poster complaints than any single person has done posting Graham stories/links. And your figures are gross exaggerations and tedious.

So now he is announcing a huge 4th of July party? Probably with tanks. He is as transparent as Casper. What a joke.

So, if you like fireworks, call your congressperson and tell them not to impeach me. Otherwise, NO FIREWORKS!!!

[quote]Otherwise, NO FIREWORKS!!!

That's a small price to pay.

Posted without comment

Oh my, R138.

I found this Tweet and linked thread ...quite interesting. And it’s even related to Russia, imagine that! Has this been discussed here before?

“Dear @TedCruz : As a US citizen, I demand to know why your campaign gave US voter data to a guy in Russia named Yaroslav Leontenko.

I encourage all of my followers & everyone who else who sees this post to do the same. I look forward to ur response. ”

—Jennifer Cohn

R134, I could go through the last five Mueller threads and count the number of unrelated-to-Russia snark posts about Lindsey Graham and compare them to the number of complaints about them in the last 2 Mueller threads. I’m willing to do it, in the name of accuracy. I would hate to have misrepresented all the off-topic and pointless/unfunny Lindsay Graham comments.

Thanks

He's desperate not to appear desperate. His re-election campaign has already started. Actually it began with his first rally of 2017. We really need to put pressure on the media. They have to up their game. I want to know why there hasn't been more coverage about Jared and Michael flynn trying to broker an illegal deal to sell our nuclear technology to the Saudis. I want to know more about Trump's attempted interference with the Mueller investigation, and his attempts to tamper with the SDNY investigations. There are even more stories that go unexplored that the media neglects because they're chasing Trump.

Yeah, it’s odd that there hasn’t been more coverage of that, but this week was all about Barr being confirmed, Manafort’s sentencing memo, and whatever other shit Trump hogged the airwaves with.

When the investigation turns to Saudi Arabia, the media will circle back to this revelation, and the public will have no clue. I’m really not looking forward to the Saudi chapter...

It’s not like it’s encyclopedia Britannia you need to store. Give it a break. FFS

Go lady @r39.

Everybody should be doing that.

Should be R139

That’s great that she is doing that at R139.

I don’t have a Twitter account, but I encourage all of you who do to join her. I am convinced there was direct vote general election vote-hacking (votes being changed) in Florida 2016.

Posting this in response to R147.

This used to be posted frequently in the earlier Treason threads:

[quote]Yes. There's already proof. I work in the industry. I sat in a meeting with the head of cyber security investigations for the FBI in Florida. Their systems were hacked in 2016. What's difficult is proving that (or more accurately stated "how") the votes were manipulated. But go back to election night and remember how Trump pulled ahead in Florida, NC, MI, PA and WI. It happened almost like clock work once the precincts reporting crossed the 50% threshold. This shit is deep. Putin had already done this in his own election and also in Ukraine. We should be very worried about the EU elections coming up.

[quote] I could go through the last five Mueller threads and count the number of unrelated-to-Russia snark posts about Lindsey Graham and compare them to the number of complaints about them in the last 2 Mueller threads. I’m willing to do it, in the name of accuracy. I would hate to have misrepresented all the off-topic and pointless/unfunny Lindsay Graham comments.

Please, please do. We are all breathlessly awaiting. Don't forget conducting an analysis of variance and analysis of co-variance in your scholarly study. Please don't forget this post. I want to be included. Please add an addendum of all LG cartoons. Thank you in advance.

In the meantime, Graham declares that Barr has to report to HIM with a chosen summary report. Of course, Dianne Feinstein will receive a courtesy copy.

On surface, it looks like a set-up to comfort Trump.

The House leadership better demand Mueller's full report, and any redacted portions satisfactorily explained.

"SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM: Under the regulations, the Attorney General has to report to me and the ranking member Dianne Feinstein a summary of what was found [by the Mueller investigation]. Who is going to be pursued criminally, if anyone at all. Kind of a summary. He doesn't have to give us the entire report.

But my belief is that "collusion" really is "conspiracy" and nobody has been charged with the crime of conspiracy. Everybody who has been charged has been process crimes or financial crimes, so my belief is that there is no collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians, and if there had been, somebody would have been charged by now with conspiracy, but we'll know in a couple weeks. "

Thank you for re posting that, R149. For those of us working on the campaign in our state elections, we were stunned. We watched those numbers change before our eyes, horror stricken. In that moment, I said out loud what all of us felt in our bones. I stood there watching the numbers and turned to my fellow workers and said, "They stole it! They fucking stole the damned election!"

Every exit poll, ever bit of data we had showed Hillary winning. Just 77,744 votes. So fucking easy to alter out of the tens of millions cast. Remember. Michelle Obama gave a campaign speech sometime in that last month before the election. She was telling her audience how important their vote was. She pointed out that if Barack Obama had received just 11 votes per precinct less, he would have lost the election. Eleven votes per precinct.

If they hacked in to the voting rolls of at least 21 states, which the Election commission readily admits they did, and many believe it was 37 states, why invest all the effort into helping Trump if they weren't going to guarantee the outcome. I hate it when people say, They got in but there is no evidence they changed any votes, there's no proof. "There is proof. It may be circumstantial, but it is valid.

And we're marching into 2020, with very little, if anything, being done to stop it from happening again. In fact Trump's trained pig, Steve Bannon already announced Trump will win in 2020, "by an even bigger margin than he won in 2016." They're not hiding.

R150, that's the GOP line, "Process crimes." They conveniently overlook all the Russian GRU agents and the hacking operations that were set up in Moscow and coordinated with the campaign. They conveniently ignore all the specific , well documented times top Campaign staff and others closely associated with Trump met with Russian contacts.

r150.....Paul Manafort and Rick Gates were both charged with conspiracy against the United States.

Indeed, R153. And Flynn's activities with Turkey in an alleged conspiracy to kidnap a resident in the U.S., and perhaps other activities involving finances, doesn't make his behavior endearing either.

r150.....As you note, none of the players are charged in the Russian Conspiracy.....why, you ask ? Because Mueller hasnt released those charges YET. You can rest assured that when he does...and he will...that we will see all of these criminals again, and then some....Flynn, Gates, Manafort, Stone, Prince, Kushner, Junior, the list goes on and ends with Trump himself. You dont understand how all this works do you ? Mueller does NOT need to reveal his hand to charge Flynn, Manafort, et al....they are all dirty with other crimes. He uses that as a tactic to get them to cooperate. (i.e. Flynn flipped to protect his son). That does not preclude them from being charged when the BIG ONE drops....it will be called a superseding indictment and it will ensnare them all....and a few we are clueless about. If Mueller wanted to show his hand, he would have referenced Russian Conspiracy in the charging documents and sentencing documents. Anyone with half a brain cell knows there are more crimes for each of these individuals. They pled to their other shit, and unless they were granted total immunity from other crimes....they werent....they are in for a world of hurt.

Interesting IC related grant opportunity with due date yesterday.

I wonder if as part of the evaluation of proposals they background check the Institutional Officials for evidence of foreign compromise.

R155

[quote].....why, you ask ?

Bless your heart, but you weren't asked. Nor was anyone else.

[quote]You dont understand how all this works do you ?

Your lame attempt at being condescending is rather pathetic. I did not elaborate on any of the assumptions you projected.

[quote]Anyone with half a brain cell knows there are more crimes for each of these individuals.

I did not address any of the culprits. Again, you are erroneously mislabeling and making assumptions.

Please confirm you are not the "don't post anything about Graham troll" who is the self-designated counter of posts whereby Graham is mentioned. I am not bragging about being clever and informed, as you do. Your obsession with control of what other people post is strange, unhealthy behavior. Disagree as you may, that is largely welcomed actually. But do so respectfully without the insulting efforts, and cordial replies shall be be returned.

A Kim impersonator is booted from Vietname ahead of the US-North Korea summit. Kissing Shitstains.

^fortunately, there is not an abundance of short & fat Koreans in Vietnam.

Thank you, R150. That is actually on-topic, and not a waste of space. See the difference?

R158 is not on topic.

More about Cambridge Anal:

“BIG & BREAKING on MSNBC. Trump directly implicated in conspiracy. The attorney for Brittany Kaiser, from Cambridge Analytica, said Bannon briefed Trump on CA’s capabilities. Trump wanted the info here right away & the connection to CA & Mercer hidden. Kaiser has met w/ Mueller”

And yet R160 is off topic and a waste of space.

We need more C-Anal r161!

And yet r162 is pompous and a waste of life.

Says the person at R164 who bitches about posts wasting space, continues to waste space and clears cookies to do so.

That does it!!!

Girls, girls, girls, girls girls!!!!

Brittany Kaiser is much more relevant than your mutual twattage.

R167 go eat Moogan's pussy.

Muriel told me I could wast as much space as I want to.

I pay a buck-eighty-nine for the privilege.

There's actual news at r161. Could you idiots take your playground games elsewhere?

Poor R169 thinks that's clever.

Ignore the diversionary trolls.

I can't wait for Rachel tonight.

The 800 page Manafort sentencing came out after her show on Friday.

Now the C-Anal probe moves front and center with the connection to Trump.

Already had R169 on block.

It's also too bad she's overpaying.

And what is with the influx of trolls suddenly complaining about "on topic" posts and trying to dictate what other people post?

That's not suspicious at all.

[OT-is there any website that monitors out of country activity for American websites? I remember a stats site called, Aleksa, Alessa, Agressa, something like that.]

R174, there is no “influx of trolls”. It’s just a few of us finally speaking up the waste of space —the stupid Lindsay Graham posts, which we havent seen any of today so far, except for the people championing such posts—in these threads. Ugh. Now back to the topic:

Another Russian journalist has mysteriously died.

So if this is true, then Bannon,, at the very least lied to the FBI. If I recall, he claimed or it was reported that he met with the Mueller investigation for a total of 11 hours back in the early days, didn't he? I always felt like he was implicated. After all, he and the MErcers, Brad Parscale and JAred were all involved with Cambridge and with data and hacking.

A few, sure.

And you haven't seen any because DL is on primetime.

I'd like to see Brad Parscale do the perp walk. He's so fucking cocky and such a total douche that I want to see him rot along side Manafort.

Ditto r179.

MSNBC is getting flack on Twitter for a propaganda-ish puff piece on Mar-A-Lago that aired yesterday.

It is nice to see Mar-a-lago before Trump donates it to the US government as a designated prison for convicted ex-presidents.

I want Trump Tower NYC and Mar A Lago to eventually be demolished and repurposed. I hope the Trumps don't get to keep all their property when the investigations, convictions and sentences are complete

How about both are turned into temporary housing for immigrant families?

Robert & Rebekah Mercer keep a low public profile, but their political activities and financing of operations, inclusive of the former efforts of Cambridge Analytica, raises questions. Rebekah has been tied directly to Bannon (Breitbart & related) and is tight with Kellyanne Conway. This may give the Mercers on-site WH influence, assuming they use it.

Recent articles about the role of the Mercers are scarce. News organizations appear to avoid explaining how the Mercers were involved with the Trump campaign, and how they may have been helping Trump outside the visible aspects. Breitbart has been a long-time investment of the Mercers.

Perhaps it is all legit as to the Mercers, but isn't some clarifications are in order to set the record straight?

Leaving questions hanging, renders the impression that involvement by the ultra-wealthy funders are off-limits for scrutiny. Has anyone on the Mueller team interviewed the Mercers? Surely, they would possess certain information that would be germaine to the inquiry.

This December, 2018 article may have been posted prior, but it is only a couple of months old.

[quote]I want Trump Tower NYC and Mar A Lago to eventually be demolished

Bite your tongue, R183!

R157

R162

R164

I do not understand why when Michael Cohen testifies in front of Congress, later this week, in front of three committees, two of those appearances will not be open to the public or televised. Michael Cohen is not a government official, he has no state secrets and he has no classified information. So why the hell is the public being kept from what he has to say? We have a right to know what is going on, I understand when state secrets are being discussed but nothing Michael Cohen knows should be classified, congress just doesn't want us to know.

Back on topic for Christ’s sake:

Trump Organization ***DEMANDS*** that the House Judiciary cease their investigation into the Trump Org.

Hilarious.

—“In a letter Monday to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), Trump Organization lawyer Alan S. Futerfas objected to the committee’s hiring of Berry H. Berke on the grounds that his law firm, Kramer Levin, has represented the Trump Organization on an array of issues.

“This state of affairs violates recognized ethical obligations and irreparably taints the Committee’s work,” Futerfas wrote, adding that it “requires that the Committee cease and desist from any and all activities that are adverse to the Company.” —

More at link below.

R190, Cohen WILL be discussing very sensitive things that are part of ongoing criminal and congressional investigations, and I imagine the need for 2 closed settings stems from the investigators desire’s to keep subjects/targets of the investigations from knowing what Cohen is telling them. Of course, with Nunes in one room, and whichever Senate GOP toadies there are in the other, it’s likely a moot point.

Cohen’s own status as a private citizen has nothing to do with protecting his testimony.

R190, the House and Senate Intelligence Committee hearings will be closed because Cohen will be testifying about Russia.

That is exactly my point R192, Trump and his attorneys know what Cohen says, shortly after he says it, then shortly after that Jared and Trump Jr will be told, the public is the only party that will not know.

R190 Russia and Putin know what they did, and they know what Cohen knows, if anything. Again it is the public that is being kept in the dark. I just think our government, all of it keeps too many secrets from the public and many people who have worked in government will agree with that.

I just saw Sarah Huckabee Sanders called a "Dollar Store Picasso" on Twitter.

That’s inspired, R195.

Dollar Store Picasso Head on a Botero Body.

Though it is not written, or verified, it looks like a PR firm is image building in behalf of Lindzey. The WP, NYT, and Salon, within the last 24 hours, have written explanations as to why Lindzey has become Trump's most adamant supporter. The timing of this unison this delivery on the natural metamorphosis of Lindzey doesn't look staged since there have been questions for many months. Each mention the golf outing, but sound dismissive of Lindzey being saddled with compromise. The image re-make effort appears to be pressed currently in DL.

All this as Congress may soon receive a Mueller Report summary. Coincidence? The WP and NYT on the same day? There are declared presidential candidates that crave to have such print coverage and don't receive it.

^does, not doesn't; drop one 'this'

...?

Good Trumpcast with Dahlia Lithwick today

Detailed reading of Manafort's current woes.

Mueller Appears After Something Really Big: Reading Between the Lines in Advance of the Special Counsel’s Report

The trick to understanding Mueller’s intentions may lie not in his hundreds of pages of previous indictments and filings, but in the material that he has omitted from them. Is the great unwritten story of Russian collusion hiding in plain sight?

R204 just read it thanks. It's awesome.

[quote]Back on topic for Christ’s sake: Trump Organization ***DEMANDS*** that the House Judiciary cease their investigation into the Trump Org.

But ah say, I do recall, ah say, Judiciary Committees have been declared off-topic!

So he cares about Kim but Maduro is a no? What? How does that makes any fucking sense?

I wonder about that too, r80. All through Hillary's run, the media was just cruel and unfair to her...so we got the complete moron, Trump.

Trump just does as Putin tells him...he does not know or care if it makes sense.

Are we going to have to wait another year to see if Flynn gets time? The way Washington works is really maddening.

I wish I were so wealthy, I could just move out of this country.

It will be interesting to see if Trump declares an end to the Korean War. I'm betting he does. Also, interesting to note that the Kremlin released a statement saying that Trump had "consulted" with Moscow on how to handle the North Korea summit. Also, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov just happens to be in Vietnam at the same time as Trump. How many fucking clues do we need to see that Trump is a Russian asset? Why aren't the media screaming about this. If they spent half as much time as they did with Hillary's private email server...maybe we wouldn't have Putin Jr. in the White House.

I am betting he says American troops will come home...then we will see an invasion of South Korea and a horrible Korean war.

R210 The justice system is corrupt... when you have money/connections, the system grinds to a halt and let the crook run around trying to "negotiate" or avoid his punishment. Of course, if you're poor, then it's off to prison no arguments.

Off to prison, or the needle...unless you are a white man who killed a black man, if you are the white man, you get a pat on the head.

Most people have known for over two years that Trump is a Russian asset.

I'm hearing some rumblings that Ted Cruz also gave voter data to the Russians. He was also using Cambridge Analytica. They're all corrupt to the bone. Hopefully more will come of this story soon. Perhaps, it's why Beto isn't announcing his run just yet.

You'd think just a couple of Democrats would be involved in the Russia crap, even if just by accident. Like, some lobbyist gave the some info or some money and they didn't report it correctly or think anything of it. But, nope. It's all Repugs. Almost like it was known and planned and, ya know, covered up extensively by the perpetrators. When they all start screaming about how they just had no idea the money or information was coming from Russia, I really hope someone thinks to ask them why, if that's the case, they seem to have been so damn good at covering it up?

Does the UK have an equivalent to the special council? Some monkeying around went on there as well. Hopefully they are doing an inquiry as they say over there.

The reason only Republicans are involved in this mess is because Putin took advantage of an already established network of Republican corruption and criminal activities (like voter fraud) of which Putin was well aware of in advance and therefore sent assets and spies to target specific people who could help him to execute his plan.

r217...there are some peripheral Democrats involved, mainly from lobbying....like Podestas brother, but not many.

Didn't the dossier say something about help from inside the Democrats?

[quote]I'm hearing some rumblings that Ted Cruz also gave voter data to the Russians. He was also using Cambridge Analytica.

What do Trump and Cruz share?

Kellyanne.

Eeeeww! Please don’t put that image in my head.

President Trump's former personal attorney Michael Cohen will publicly accuse the president of criminal conduct for the first time during his public hearing on Wednesday, CBS News has confirmed.

Cohen will provide documents, prepared by Mr. Trump's accountant, that will show the president may have engaged in tax fraud. This could be the basis for lawmakers or investigators to pursue Trump's tax returns.

Woah! r224

Fantastic news, r224!

Trump lies and cheats like he breathes.

If Trump collapses, the Republicans have three candidates ready to go: Pence, Kasich and Christie. Pence has traveled all over the world, and he's going to use Venezuela as proof he can be a strong president. Kasich is pitching his arguments to moderate Republicans and independents, jumping on the climate change band wagon. Christie is pitching his message to the Republican donor base - everything would have been different if only Jared Kushner and Steve Bannon hadn't thrown out the greatest transition plan that ever existed.

Think how many of these greedy Republicans have been paid off, to destroy our country.

Republicans have been extremely corrupt since Reagan. Anyone paying attention, would know that Republicans are freakish liars and easily bought.

In the Republican primary, I don't think Republican greed is going to be an issue. That's an issue for the general election.

In the primaries, Evangelicals would go for Pence. The moderates would split between Kasich and Christie. The real question is going to be where the non-religious Trump fans go. Pence has been a loyal servant to Trump, but Trump fans like a strong authority figure - which is why Pence is working on building up his international credentials. Christie is a friend of Trump and a strong authority figure - but he might be too establishment now to excite them. Kasich is not a Trump friend, so he's out of luck. If Trump drops out, I think it's down to Pence and Christie.

[quote]Pence has been a loyal servant to Trump, but Trump fans like a strong authority figure

Well, don't look at me.

Oh, what the fuck. Go ahead and look at me.

isn't it strange that all Presidents age rapidly in the Presidency due to the stress related to the responsibility of the job governing a nation and yet Trump is rapidly aging from worrying about his own ass.

I WAS looking at you!

Mother Pence should write a book like everyone else.

"My Life as a Frau," forward by Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

Michael Cohen is expected to tell Congress that Trump broke the law while in office:

Former Trump personal lawyer Michael Cohen on Tuesday starts a three-day gantlet of congressional appearances by giving a closed-door interview to the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Trump's former "fixer" is expected to detail what he claims to know about Trump's contacts with Russia, hush payments made prior to the 2016 election and other sensitive matters.

Cohen is also expected to provide evidence of alleged criminal conduct by Trump since he became president, according to NBC. In addition to his testimony, Cohen will reveal information about Trump's financial statements

Could the FBI and other intelligence agencies be secretly spying on Trump at this moment?

Of course they are, R237, don't be naive

[quote] What do Trump and Cruz share?

[quote] Kellyanne.

Kellyanne and Rebekah Mercer are BFFS and very likely business partners or partners in crime.

Thank god the two of them can't breed r239, can you imagine?

I guess Mango Mussolini’s bone spurs didn’t keep him from going to Vietnam this time around.

R222 Good observation. KAC worked on Lyin' Ted's presidential campaign before switching to Bones Spurs.

I don't want to get my hopes up about Cohen saying much about Trump's Russia contacts. I can't see the FBI allowing Cohen to say anything that hasn't yet been revealed.

Hey, Trump is paranoid. When it has been so publicly accepted that Kelly Anne is one of the biggest leakers in that administration, or in D.C. in general, and he has not yet dumped her ass,that ought to tell you something. She probably has him believing that her leaks are "to protect you, never to hurt you," and he'd understand that because Trump himself was once a strategic leaker back in the day.

Secondly, her ties to the Mercers keep her very safe. Trump would never fuck with the Mercers. One more thing. Steve Bannon and Trump still talk, and Bannon still "advises" him. Bannon, Brad Parscale and Steve Miller are all close.

As for the 2020 Presidential run, IO, Kasich has the upper hand. Media will flock to him, and "make" him. Christie has too much dirt, and honestly, his ties to Trump will not help him of GOP voters are looking for an alternative. Especially if Trump is busted. Pence is a cipher.

Who owns Ken Dilanian?

R245, he may not be owned, just trying to carve out his own niche. I have deniers in my own family. Conservative Democrats who "hate to think the President would ever do sucha thing..." My 73 yr old aunt's exact words.

I predict this fat mouth will take up her case and be a strong advocate for "justice."

Adnan Syed is going to be let out of prison thanks to her!

Don did it, R247!

Sorry, wrong thread.

R244 good ponts.

Kasich is one of the GOP politicians whose PAC accepted money from the oligarch tied to Putin. That is not frequently mentioned. Kasich portrays himself as squeaky clean and very religious. That noted, he has major experience in Congress and as Governor, and is possibly the best "old establishment" Republican the party could put forward. He can be odd at times, but is pragmatic and competent, and not crazy.

Pence rises and falls with Trump. Hardcore evangelicals like him due to his anti-abortion stance, his record of being anti-gay rights, and his efforts to mix state and religion. Christie has major baggage, but is much less troubling than Pence.

Kasich is a closet case...the GOP will never get behind him....no pun intended.

R251 He's long-term married with grown kids. That passes in the GOP unless he is caught in a sex scandal.

We need to keep tying Pence to Trump. They were a team. They were elected together by the same illegal campaign. Remember, Manafort was the one who wanted Pence as Vice President. There is a Russian reason. Pence took over the transition when they found that crooked Christie wasn't quite crooked enough for them. He wouldn't siphon money off the inauguration directly to Trump. Also, there were rumours during the transition that Pence was floating cabinet nominees past the Russians for approval. That's how we got Secretary of State Rex Tillis who had no connection to anyone in the administration nor was he actively involved in Republican politics. Name came as a surprise to almost everyone - except Putin.

r252...there are scandals...they were able to quiet them in the past, but if he becomes a serious contender, they will surface again.

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I had posted that I wasn't going to comment but to read the story and think about Florida, then think about the story again. That story was published a year ago and the investigation started 8 months ago for Florida. I wonder who tipped them off to start.

Kasich is the epitome of old and boring politician. Unless there are pictures, I can't see him being touched by a sex scandal. The Russian angle is more intriguing.

Graham is running to the Fox cameras that he intents, as the first order of business, to subpoena Comey as to why the F-B-I "spied" on the Trump campaign. Graham declares he's going to get to the "bottom" of this.

Comey has already testified before Congress for hours on this matter. Why would Comey need a subpoena; he's always volunteered to provide testimony when requested?

Graham has not scheduled any hearings to directly investigate DJT's campaign and Russia.

Kasich is deeply closeted and that will be used to exploit him if he becomes a serious challenger. I’m sure KellyAnne is already working on it.

For me, it’s his hands that are the gay giveaway. The way he places and uses his hands (which are also always red and sweaty-looking).

Graham thinks if he does all of this he will come across like Trump. He won't.

The FBI spied on the Trump campaign because they were working with Russia to illegally impact the 2016 election. Graham may not want the answer to that question.

We've been talking about Pence, Kasich and Christie prepping their presidential runs if Trump goes down. Do you think Graham is also thinking along those lines, and sucking up to Trump is his way of laying the groundwork?

R259 Just curious and a serious question. Why would red and sweaty-looking hands be indicative of being gay.

I certainly understand the stereotypes of limp wrists, hand gesturing, and raising the pinkies, but red and sweaty-looking?

Good R258. I hope they do. It will just give Comey another opportunity to talk about Trump's connections to Russia and why the FBI was so concerned about Trump being indebted and open to blackmail by Putin. Comey always comes across as very credible when talking about this.

You would think running for President would be the last thing Graham would want if he's afraid of people looking into his past.

Also, why do we still not know which Republican candidate it was that first commissioned the Steele Dossier? It was most likely Jeb, right? But why hasn't it come out?

[quote]I had posted that I wasn't going to comment but to read the story and think about Florida

Is that like thinking of England while having sex?

R262

[quote]. Do you think Graham is also thinking along those lines, and sucking up to Trump is his way of laying the groundwork?

Interesting read. Democrats in SC are trying to mount a challenge to Graham for 2020. His potential challenger has Graham pegged (see the quotes). Unfortunately, Republicans much dominate in SC.

R266 It was Marco Rubio. Then he dropped it.

Nothing surprises me anymore. I was even thinking that Lindsey was compromised a long time ago and his "friendship" with McCain started out as sincere, as much as any relationship in D.C. is sincere, but over time Lindsey was compromised and he was keeping an eye on McCain because the Russians hated him. I know. Byzantine but hey, there is an element of the unreal to all of this. But as far as Pence goes, I'm told Manafort wanted to stay on the good side of the Kochs, so when their political director gave Campaign chair, Manafort a list of potential VP candidates he grabbed Pence as the one who'd satisfy the Evangelicals. Trump was not someone who, back in 2016 was going to attract those evangelicals.

R263, not indicative of being gay, of course. Just a little additional description of what they look like to me. The way he holds and gestures with his hands does seem fey to me though.

Kasich strikes me as a perv. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if they ever found kiddie porn on his computer. He's a big phony too. Trying to seem like he is more moderate, but his record needs to be scrutinized carefully because he loves to call himself a Reagan Republican, but he is even worse. And Reagan was no picnic.

Rubio denied any involvement with the dossier. It was initially funded by one of his supporters. Interestingly, Rubio's super pac was also partially funded by the Russians.

Kasich is like Pence, in that they both believe God has a plan for them, and that plan involves becoming President of the United States. Dueling plans.

Kasich was outed by an opponent when he was in congress.....they hushed it up and before you knew it, he was married. It is common knowledge he was boning his chief of staff in DC, whom he lived with for YEARS.

BUSTED: Woman says Trump supporter Jacob Wohl tricked her into going along with bogus Mueller rape claim.

Carolyne Cass, the woman at the center of Trump supporter Jacob Wohl’s bogus rape claim against special Robert Mueller, has told USA Today that he tricked her into going along with his scheme to smear the man investigating President Donald Trump. In her interview with the newspaper, Cass revealed that Wohl first approached her by pretending to be a man named Matthew Cohen, who was purportedly a private detective who had received training from Israeli intelligence agencies.

“They made it up,” Cass said of a sworn statement about a sexual assault by Mueller that she purportedly signed and that was given to reporters at Wohl’s infamous press conference. Despite this, however, Cass says she has still not been contacted by the FBI, which received a referral from the special counsel’s office last year.

How was she tricked if she knew it was made up?

Now that shit is getting real for Donald with Cohen's testimony and evidence, the Russian trolls are being told to start pointing at Democrats again. Note the sudden influx of "Didn't the Democrats commission the Steele dossier etc.?" anything to point the blame elsewhere instead of the criminal in the White House.

Also - Kasich is not gay. More Russian deflection.

Just checked my email and I had a promotion from Directtv (my provider) promoting a new show with the tag line “two sides to every treason”. I thought of our threads.

Off topic and not to derail.

I've been to Mara Lago. My friends have a house near by.

What I don't get is why private families would want to live in that kind of place.

Like Newport or the Ringling Mansion in Sarasota. Way too big. Nothing intimate. So uncomfortable.

Also, it's across the street to the beach. There's that too.

When will Jacob Wohl get his due?

R282, could be decades. He might have a long and lucrative career of making lurid bullshit stories like Roger Stone.

From today:

R268 BMW workers are not too fond of Trump in South Carolina. He is responsible for shutting down a major factory there.

Eagle Scout Comey would leave the South Carolina Stunt Queen majorly embarrassed. The Senatrice should go for it.

There are a lot more Dems in SC than you might think.

Wohl is the new Stone and Corsi wannabee.

Admirable aspirations indeed r287.

What a disgusting being...

R286 correct. The Democratic Party in SC is not where it should be in terms of organizing their constituents, particularly on a state-wide level. Nationally, not much investment has been made in SC from the Democratic party. A Congressional seat was picked-up in Charleston during the 2018 midterms.. The upstate is the biggest Republican stronghold. Many of the fervent Republicans are retirees and transplants from the midwest and the northeast. They are vigorously anti-tax, don't support more funding for public education or infrastructure improvements, are not proponents of environmental protection, and were opposed to the state accepting Medicaid supplements.

There are white Democrats. They are about 6 to 8 percentage points short in helping to win most state-wide races. Turn-out from black voters needs to be stronger.

Judge in the Maria Butina case agreed with prosecutors just now, who asked that her sentencing be delayed because she is still cooperating in ongoing investigations.

I love how with each passing day and new item, it becomes more clear that this investigation is nowhere near over, no matter how much Trump's team keeps pushing this narrative.

Oh-so-dignified Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz threatens Cohen in a tweet: ‏ Hey @MichaelCohen212 - Do your wife & father-in-law know about your girlfriends? Maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. I wonder if she’ll remain faithful when you’re in prison. She’s about to learn a lot...

Geez Matt, if trump did nothing wrong then you shouldn't feel so threatened.

R293 That's pretty blatant witness tampering... Also R279I remember the story about Kasich living with his chief of staff while in congress that R275 mentioned. It seems to me that there was some romance involved.

Fight Lindsey.

MATT GAETZ, HE OF THE many times pulled over, charged with drunk driving, gets off because of his daddy's money and connections, and nutjob conspiracy theorist to boot, has THE GALL TO CRITICIZE OR JUDGE ANYONE! THAT 'thing" shouldn't even have ANY job much less representing a state and it's people!..and how would he know about cohen's personal life in the first place??!

So no news from today's close committee session in the Senate?

Sorry -- *closed -- Cohen testimony

Looks like Jacob Wohl's Twitter account just got shut down. Not a moment to soon.

Investigate this fucker.

R297 Sounds as if Gaetz is trying to intimidate and blackmail a witness who is preparing to render sworn testimony. This parallels with winess tampering.

Gaetz is use to sliding on offensives, including prior DUIs. His dad had influence.

R284, I live near the BMW plant and it's still very much open and running.

That said, I wouldn't be too such of big Trump victories here in SC. Dems did flip a seat in Congress, and I don't see many Trump not stickers around, at least not like I used to. Even though I'm in the Upstate (where Ms Lindsay is from), he's not that well liked. He's selling down on Trump's base, and even that is getting smaller here. But tying themselves so firmly to Trump, theyre slowly but surely sinking their own ship.

Is Kevin McCarthy going to do anything to denounce Gaetz's behavior? Nope.

Gaetz could be charged for contempt of Congress and be censored. It won't happen. It is the era of Trump, and anything related to Trump gets a pass from Republicans, and too much of the media treats it as more theatrics than disdain.

Gaetz is a closet case, no?

Gaetz definitely has skeletons in his closet. What a creep. And considering he’s a Congressman, can’t the Democrats do something about him? Can he only be reprimanded by his own party?! Why is it up to McCarthy?

Gaetz is committing witness tampering. It’s clear, for fuck’s sake.

R305

Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. I shan't tell.

Exactly, Rachel @ R308! This should be a hair-on-fire moment for Democrats and possibly Republicans in Congress. This is witness tampering.

I don't think Gaetz is going to face any consequences. People like him get away with anything.

Of course Gaetz thinks he'll get away with it. Trump did the EXACT SAME THING a while back and nothing happened.

R312, Gaetz isn’t theoretically protected by his office. He’s just some chump Congressman. He can be censured by the House.

Fuck that asshole Gaetz. WTF??????

Witness tampering out in the open and no one cares.

He's getting a shitload of pushback on twitter. This wont go away that easily

Just when you thought Ohio was stupid as it could get with gym Jordan, Florida comes along and says, "hold mah beer!"

Tomorrow is going to be lots of fun, if only to see Republicans contort themselves to try and deflect from criminal activity by their leader, before and after he was elected.

I hope Gatez gets a karma ass kicking and all kinds of shit about him comes out or he gets caught up in this Russia stuff and ends up in jail himself.

Everyone talks about Matt Gaetz and his DUIs that daddy covered up.....HE ALSO HAD A DEAD ROOMATE....they were investigating it as a homicide, then suddenly it was suicide......hmmmm.....people do say it was a boyfriend and it was a lovers spat...it was his college roomate....seriously.

Heres an archived article about it......

Why does twitter let him do that? Did they release a statement? This is crazy.

PopeHat:

Note that the various obstruction of justice statutes all require proof of specific intent (through, for instance, the "corruptly" language), so if @mattgaetz is drunk again he may have a defense.

Tom Nichols, responding to Gaetz' tweet:

Starting to think that calling the Republicans a mafia is something of an insult to the Mafia.

Gaetz is single. Look who he brought to the SOTU address last year.

What's with these fanatical Trumpians in Congress?

r313, Matt Gaetz thinks he's Trump Jr. and he can say whatever the fuck he wants and get away with it.

Let's face it, he's right because the media never goes after Repugs when they say things like this.

Seems the media actually is going after him, though?

Really? r326, that would be a first.

Rightwingers are worried that if Trump is allowed to have his "national emergency" on wall funding, a future President may declare a national emergency for granting transgender bathrooms.

In the article, read the role of Matt Gaetz in this initiative.

You know, closeted, Republican, gay men don't want FtMs watching them pee.

Gaetz is a fat closet case. I just tweeted the asshole that he should ask Aaron Schock for fashion advice, and help with other issues.

He was gleeful when he found out his tweet had been retweeted.

He's a fucking asshole who needs to get his.

Will Michael Cohen's son Jake be supporting him by his presence tomorrow?

Again, thanks for all the info everyone posts, and the links. I get angry and sad and can't even watch the news. I come here and I get up to date info and I feel hope.

Gaetz, with a history of DUIs and being a "confirmed bachelor" doesn't need to throw stones from his glass house.

OMG ALL THE STUFF BREAKING NOW!!!!!!!!!

Preview of Cohen's testimony tomorrow released. Cohen is bringing all kinds of documents with him

The takedown is going to be EPIC

I cannot wait wowowowowow

Cohen is bringing financial statements, which should re-energize the call for Trump’s tax returns.

omg I can't wait this is going to be amazing

COHEN IS GOING TO SAY HE KNEW TRUMP WAS TALKING TO STONE ABOUT THE WIKILEAKS DUMPPPPPPPPPP

I really hope you guys are right but I never count my chickens before they are hatched.

Yeah r339. I don’t want to be disappointed and say “is that all?”

Does he have protection for the drive in? I'm serious.

I am most interested in the Moscow Trump Tower.

I am almost afraid someone will kill Cohen before he talks.

Rachel was pretty great tonight.

Her immediate takeaway on the promised testimony: we're about to find out if the US still follows the rule of law.

One option Rachel floated is that prosecutors could go through negotiations with President Shithead quite similar to Agnew's in 1973. Where prosecutors finally agreed to drop all charges except one against Agnew in exchange for his immediate resignation.

[quote]Does he have protection for the drive in? I'm serious.

I've gotta think that SOMEBODY in Mueller's office is taking care of this kind of stuff. They prosecuted the NY mob, for feck's sake.

r342 They all know what he is going to say. They have the receipts.

Trump will do something awful in Viet Nam, tomorrow.

[quote]I am most interested in the Moscow Trump Tower.

Apparently that's the one thing Cohen won't be discussing in tomorrow's session. He's certainly discussed it with Mueller, but we're not getting a peek at that deal quite yet.

And, R346, it will have just as much effect as the idiot who cried wolf over and over.

"Well, Donald Trump did something stupid and fucked up in Vietnam today...now back to coverage on Cohen burying this motherfucker!"

So Stone coordinated the email dump between Assange and Trump! He told Trump beforehand

omg I hope Cohen has the best protection right now. Deplorables are probably already trying to find a way to get to him and harm

Even more than the Democrats asking Cohen questions, I'm looking forward to the Repugs trying to take him out in the name of Trump. I hope Cohen slips any facade of cordiality and tells them to fuck off in full New York accent, along with hand and arm gestures!

lmfao Cohen is going to show how Trump threatened to sue publications if they published his real grades in school

Cohen is going to say Trump knew of and directed Trump Tower Moscow deal and that he lied about it because he never thought he'd win the election

these goddamn deplorables ar e the dumbest people on Earth

I called in sick already...need to watch all of this live.

I really wonder how Fox and the repubs are going to handle this. More people than not are going to believe Cohen because he's bringing documents. Are they going to try and say the documents are fake too?

Can't wait to hear what horseshit the GOP members of the committee come up with. And how he responds to that.

He's off to the big house. Zero fucks left to give.

Cohen will also say Don Jr walked behind Trump's desk and spoke in a low voice "the meeting is all set" about the now infamous Trump Tower meeting. Trump had told Cohen before that Don Jr had the worst instincts and would never set up the meeting on his own. He concludes Trump knew of the meeting beforehand

Fuck all this! Hillary should be sworn in as POTUS!

It’s incredible. Thank fucking god the powers that be at Datalounge turned off prime time.

Direct link to opening statements below. Twitter is blowing up.

Intelligent people knew that Trump most certainly knew about the meeting and he was in the building...probably listening into the meeting as it was going on.

but let's just hope nothing happens to Cohen between now and the time of the testimony

who knows. Hopefully he'll go through with this

So as Rachel pointed out tonight....

Once Congress has been handed public evidence of the president of the United States engaged in felonies as President...

Then what?

Trump and bank fraud...we must have known that was going on...and all of his bankruptcies are criminal in my opinion. A Billion dollar bankruptcy? The man should be in prison.

R362, the House will vote to impeach and McConnell will block any attempt at removal.

Matt Gaetz is a licensed attorney in Florida. His Bar Number is 48962. He violated 18 U.S.C. § 1512.

He could be charged with a felony for witness tampering but this is also grounds for disbarment. Feel free call the Florida Bar and file an official complaint.

The number is 1-866-352-0707. This is all public information but I figured it would be helpful to provide it for others. Thank you.

At the risk of hyperbole, this could be the end of the country. I hope not.

I probably won't sleep tonight. Trump and his family need to be indicted right away...tomorrow.

Impeached? NO! HE MUST BE INDICTED AND SENT TO JAIL...NO BAIL!!

So there are receipts he committed a crime while President.

Very good.

And it doesn't matter if anything happens to Cohen before he gets to Testify... be sure that if he's offering this tomorrow, Mueller already has it all and much more.

Good grief! trump is a common criminal, a thug, a cheat, a liar, a thief...a traitor to our country. He needs to hang by his neck until dead.

I'm all for a gofundme campaign in favor of Florida sinkholes. Is there a more wretched and useless state among the 50? The difference between Hell and Florida? Hell's nice.

A lot of ignorant, racist, soulless people voted for the monster and they all own guns but the FBI...knows about the most violent among them

How much are we going to hear that all presidents commit crimes in office by Miss McConnell and Miss Lindsey.

Meanwhile, in Moscow:

[quote]Moscow court sentenced an ex-top manager of Kaspersky Lab to 14 years in prison for state treason. He allegedly passed on to the Americans the info about the hacking of the U.S. Democratic Party servers in 2016. If Russia was not behind the hack as the Kremlin says, why treason?

Cohen better not back out of testifying now. It wouldn't shock me if something happened and he canceled. This needs to happen tomorrow

It should have happened before the 2016 election....what a horrible election day it was n 2016.

This is why he released his statement to the public. It might be a situation of “ in case I don’t wake up tomorrow.”

I hope Cohen's family is being protected.

Miss Nancy does not play, henny

He really should be disbarred (how the fuck did he ever get a law degree?) and kicked out of Congress. He is the EPITOME of rich white boy privilege. If his daddy didn't have money and connections he would have been in jail for all those DUIs and no career in politics

Cohen's opening statement, as above, but from the Times's site (maybe safer).

Cohen needs to cooperate with the SDNY fully before they cut his sentence.

Did he threaten Nancy too?

But, don't ya see, Gaetz was just "witness testing" not "witness tampering". Said so himself. Now, don't you feel silly?

Cohen is the guy who recorded everything, too. And, he kept all the records for everything. Remember how much shit they took out of his office. Didn't he have like four different cell phones, all filled to the brim with emails and voice recordings, no doubt. I hope he has recordings to play tomorrow to go along with the documents.

As to how it's going to play out, is this going to be the five minute at a time per questioner, alternating between Democrats and Repugs? Can they reopen lines of questioning after their time is up so the Democrats can call the Repugs on the bullshit they are going to throw out to try to cover Trumps ass?

Most importantly, will Lindsey run into the room, screaming incoherently and rending his clothing as a distraction?

Kyle Giffin... This is quite the statement Michael Cohen will allegedly make about the Trump Tower meeting and Trump's possible knowledge of it.

Dumb, criminal men using Twitter will be the end of Trump and the Repug party. Fucking hilarious. A little blue twitter bird takes down a big red elephant. Where's that cover art?

Fun new Trumpcast tonight.

Gaetz represents a far-right, #1 Congressional district in the Florida panhandle. One has to cross the line into south Alabama to find any glimpse of enlightment. Gaetz's district has an abundance of rabid deplorables.

^enlightenment

Jim (Gym) Jordan will be the lead Republican attack person on Cohen's testimony today.

Jordan needs to just stick with giving ex-County Clerk Kim Davis, tickets to SOTU addresses.

I was discussing last night, do you think this will be dossier release big (a collective wow) or OJ chase big (everyone stopped to watch)

Will people who haven't been following every day since November 2016 GET that this is really a fucked up situation for our country?

Gosh I hope we are near the end, that POS has to go, the damage he has inflicted on US Foreign policy alone is terrifying.

But Lindsey is tweeting about Trump's big victory.

13 Republicans voted with all Democrats.

Let's be sure to keep this thread up top - trolls are going to try and bury it today.

Is there an ***Official*** Michael Cohen Testimony post? I did do a search.

[quote]Are (the Republicans) going to try and say (Cohen's) documents are fake too?

SPOILER ALERT:

Yes.

MSNBC's Michael Del Moro:

UPDATE: Michael Cohen is expected to show a *2nd check* signed by Donald Trump Jr. and Trump Org. COO Weisselberg from March 1, 2017, which Cohen says was also installment for the hush money payments.

Maggie Haberman:

The second check was found in the last 72 hours, per a source familiar with the events. Cohen lawyers asked him about who made the payments and how. They also learned there never was a retainer agreement, as some Trump officials have said there was.

[quote]Once Congress has been handed public evidence of the president of the United States engaged in felonies as President...

[quote]Then what?

What else? BENGHAZI!!!!

Cohen is in the building, he arrived on the Hill. CNN's Gloria Borger obtained a copy of the check signed by TRUMP in 2017 to pay off Stormy. Cohen will also tell us Trump and Stone were in communication about Wiki Leaks, and that Donnie, Jr. came in to tell Trump the meeting was "all set" with the Russians at Trump Tower.

I'm going to be watching CNN for this because Toobin is excellent on legal analysis, and Gloria Borger is an excellent reporter/ analyst. I will pop in to MSNBC from time to time. Tonight, I'l be all over MSNBC.

Meanwhile Trump has asked that the United States Press Corp be blocked from attending his events with Kim, etc. including meetings. The White House grudgingly agreed to finally let one reporter in. Trump blocked them because they shouted out questions about Cohen this morning and he claimed they were attempting to embarrass and undermine him. It's ironic because it is always the United States that insists the media be allowed in the room and now he is the one blocking them.

We need to find enough Republican Senators to vote against the anticipated veto or the resolution to rescind the state of emergency. If we had enough to override, 2/3 that would send a message to Trump that if we can get the votes for this resolution curbing his power, we can also get the votes to convict him are potentially there.

OK, if CNN persists in having assholes like David Axelrod on to comment, then I'm gone. Tapper & Wolf are on. I like them. But Not Axelrod. Axelrod was horrible in 2016. He hired on with CNN, and trashed Hillary every damned day with his snide, sarcastic remarks.

Here's a thread for the Michael Cohen testimony, if needed.

Are we going to comment on the hearing here, or will somebody set up a new thread specifically for the hearing?

LOL Somebody anticipated my question, thanks r400 !

Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows are the two biggest DJT enablers on the Committee. Expect them to be interrupting, disruptive, deflective, and troublesome throughout the day. The Chair knows this, and hopefully the hearing moves along with substantive revelations.

^and the cuddly Matt Gaetz.

Ah,Gaetz..pudgy, pasty, republican

How that fat smirk faced loser Gaetz ever got a law degree I'd love to know.

Did Daddy buy that for him too?

If there was a God, Jim Jordan would be struck dead...he is evil from head to toe.

Roger Stone violated the gag order on ABC this morning. Contact Judge Amy Berman Jackson's office and notify them of the violation!!

LOL! Good. Stone can't help himself. We were taking bets on how long he would abide by the gag order. I said a week.

Mike Pence’s incoming Chief of Staff, Marc Short, attacked AIDS victims for ‘repugnant’ gay sex in college column:

Short, at the time, said he felt “sympathy” for ... people with AIDS. But, he added, “that does not mean that we glorify homosexuals' repugnant practices of frequent anal intercourse nor should we consider them brave for coming out of the closet.” Short concluded his column with a warning: “Homosexuals who pursue unhealthy lifestyles and engage in high risk sexual behavior, specifically anal intercourse, may very well end up like Mr. Wright." (Wright was a fellow alumnus of Washington & Lee University who was diagnosed with AIDS.)

If nothing else comes of today’s testimony, Stone going to jail would make it all worth it.

R410, wonder if he's hiding something.

Rick Wilson:

TONIGHT ON FOX: "Will the new gay Antifa MS-13 Caravan kill your children to cover up Hillary's emails?"

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Jim Jordan is channeling the Chihuahua god that inhabits Meghab McCain.

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If Stone doesn’t go to jail now, I’m gonna scccrrreeaaaammmm!

Meanwhile, across town...

R417 I think you can add Don Trump, Jr. to that list.

All of this is sickening. repugs have fucked up this country and don't give a fuck about it. They are truly organized criminals.

The luckiest day of Chris Christie's life was the day that Jared Kushner got him fired.

Stone can't control himself.

Why doesn't he offer testimony to a House Committee? Well, he is still under gag order.

Do these reality-defiant compromised people tweet about how day is night and up is down for the same reason Russian troll farm employees do through their hijacked accounts? That there's some Moscow paymaster quantifying tweets as part of surveillance for contractual obligations?

Hunny, Michael Cohen mentioned Donnie Jr., ...and Ivanka. He never called JAred's name, but he sure threw her under the bus!

Any court action on Roger Stone's violation of the gag order?

I can’t imagine we’ll know anything more about Stone until tomorrow morning, but he must be going through Depends at an alarming rate tonight.

what did Cohen say about innocent perfect princess Ivanka?

#428 that she and jr were there and knew all about the trump tower meeting and the plans for a trump building in moscow and more....MULTIPLE times, multiple meetings..

What a coincidence:

The whole rotten lot of grifters and their accomplices are going down!

Ladies and gentlemen, the master negotiator at work:

The U.S. is no longer demanding that North Korea agree to disclose a full accounting of its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs as part of talks this week between President Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un.

The decision to drop a significant component of a potential nuclear deal suggests a reality that U.S. intelligence assessments have stressed for months is shaping talks as they progress: North Korea does not intend to fully denuclearize, which is the goal Trump set for his talks with Kim.

Please President Trump, enough winning! We're tired of all the winning!

[quote]The U.S. is no longer demanding that North Korea agree to disclose a full accounting of its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs

Jennifer Rubin:

Pompeo and Bolton are weak. They should have quit rather than concede something they RAILED at Obama for doing in Iran negotiations. They'll go down as appeasers and saps.

well pompeo is a idiot and bolton is nuts so there you go.. don't forget mulvanney whose there because???? who has the qualifications because???

The repugs are far, far worse than I ever imagined. They are just crooks and thieves and cowards and sociopaths. 99.9% of the party is completely this way. How could any one ever vote for a repug again? They have no moral center. None. They don't even try to pretend to be good people.

Apathy and corruption got them so far, but it CAN be stopped.

Miz Lindzay said today to Fox (twice a day thing) that Democrats having these hearings are damaging U.S. foreign policy. He wants the focus on the big summit between Trump & Kim.

Didn't know the House Oversight Committee was also meeting in Hanoi.

Anderson Cooper has Rick Santorum on the panel. Yuck.

Stormy Daniels tweet message to Cohen:

r439, I hate CNN panels; they always feel the need to have at least one deplorable on them so the loony tune right wing can feel they are being represented, like they don't get enough of that from FOX.

"The U.S. is no longer demanding that North Korea agree to disclose a full accounting of its nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs."

These negotiations never have been about national security. Now, more than ever, they are about Trump burnishing his image and his brand, so he can claim to be a peace maker of epic proportions which he can flaunt his diplomatic accomplishments in the 2020 election and maybe even get a Nobel Prize (or at least a nomination) in the process.

Trump and his advisors through national security out the window a long, long time ago.

should be "threw national security"

The thirst from Cheeto Benito is so entertaining. He's going to get a Time cover, the Nobel or an invite again to the Met Gala come hell or high water. #PresidentBasketCase

If there are any decent repugs (yeah, right), now is the time. Just fucking do it. Bail. Call him out. You all KNOW all the bad shit is true.

Start thinking of your legacies, people!

Chickenshit Republican Members of Congress care about one thing: Going to jail. Being stripped of assets. These are some brazen fuckers. They get indicted for crimes like Hunter, or Jordan being involved with the OSU sex scandal, and they think they're teflon. They believe they're above the Law. They've become brazen because they want to be like Trump. He's their Viagra. So I want to see them frog marched in cuffs out of the capitol by federal marshals, and face the strong possibility they might go to jail. They may have all their assets stripped, and their pensions rescinded.

Preach R447 baby preach

There's a battle cry, R447!!!

Any chance Air Force One goes down over the Pacific on its way back and we spend the next 20 years hearing about Trump sightings in Moscow?

r450 Who would look?

Jim Jordan's hypocrisy:

Where's Rudy Giuliani out before the TV cameras?

R453, that article is just sad. Why doesn't Slate just start masturbating and yelling "Thank you, AOC!" ?

EVERYONE already knew all of that and the process, using that criteria, is already in motion. Has been for weeks.

Hypocrisy from the repugs? What? No way!

Seriously, they are jaw-droppingly, breath-takingly, in your face hypocrites. They are not held to the same standards as the Dems. They will jump all over a Dem if they believe in man-made climate change and drive a car that doesn't get at least 125 miles per gallon. repugs can do literally anything and everyone gives them a pass or just goes ehhh.

Haven't seen Rudy in a while. HAs he been exclusive to Fox, or has he finally figured out that he is getting his ass handed to him? IMO betcha he and Donnie have had a falling out and there's suddenly a distance growing there.... I'm thinking the SDNY is going to RICO Trump's ass and people are going down.

I think somehow Giuliani learned what the SDNY has and he recognizes that even in his dotage his special style of denial and his Nosferatu impressions aren't going to help much

Ghouliani, if he had an ounce of snap left, would fake something and bow out. He did more damage than good and that is saying something in this fuckery.

Esquire **RIPS** the Republican Party

“The Republican Party Completely and Utterly Disgraced Itself at Michael Cohen's Hearing”

“The questioning from these products of the conservative bubble world was so bad it made a career hoodlum look good.”

But we had our bit 'Liar, Liar Pants on Fire' poster!

Did Charlie Pierce write that @ R460? I saw him standing behind Cohen (or was it Cummings?) post-hearing.

(I have viewed all my free Vanity Fair articles this month. Never mind that I just paid $55 to renew my yearly print sub.)

Great article r460! This was a vivid look into the chronic ward of the prion disease that has eaten away the higher functions of American conservatism—and, thus, those of the Republican Party as well—since Ronald Reagan first served up the monkey brains almost 40 years ago. These are the complete creatures of the talk-show culture, the perfect products of two and three generations of gerrymandered in-breeding. These are the monsters from inside The Bubble. You could see this moment coming during the Obama years, in which the country returned the two worst Congresses in American history, full to the gunwales with Bible-banging crazy people. Sooner or later, this was going to be all that was left, and it was going to have to confront a serious crisis with unserious people. That's what Wednesday was about.

For anyone wondering how the Cohen testimony is being viewed around the world, it's on the front pages of all the major UK newspapers, including the Times, Telegraph, Guarduan and FT, and is being reported as very bad for Trump.

R436, The Republican Party is strictly and without exception about themselves living in stately pleasure domes.

As long as they can have their estates, their private schools, their vacation homes, their country clubs ....

It doesn't mean anything to them whence their wealth, nor its consequences to others (pollution; murder of indigenous peoples; contracts with enemies; avaricious tax laws; WARS).

...and Dump’s summit with North Korea just blew up. Worst week ever for Dump? Hah there’s quite a bit of competition for that coveted prize.

A sad! week for Trump: no Nobel Prize AND proof of criminal conduct!

"The Republican Party is strictly and without exception about themselves living in stately pleasure domes."

Agreed, but I will also add they are about maintaining (at all costs) fat, white, older male privilege. Once you remove the old white male privilege and these guys have to compete on a level playing field, they will be the losers. They know it and that's why they are defending the old order so much.

And just so you know: I'm an old, fat, white male.

Fox Noise got spicy last night!

It will be awfully nice when "white" isn't an automatic guarantee of privilege.

r469, the consequences of prolonged willful ignorance morphing into profound cognitive dissonance is delicious.

more and more i'm CONVINCED that most politicians, strike that, the repubs (99.9% of them) get into politics because they LITERALLY cannot do anything else! they would be failures at any other career long term and are basically a) losers b) beyond stupid c) actually evil and d) a combination of some sort of a, b and c....

R472, most of them are already millionaires before they enter Congress.

Ugh Vaughn Hillyard is on MSNBC interviewing elderly Ohio voters if Cohen's testimony changed their minds. WTF is he expecting?

r474 saw that. Very few elderly/retiree Trump supporters will change their minds unless their social security checks are cut-off and Medicare is terminated. One elderly woman said sh would never vote for any Democrat.

For 33% to 36% of the electorate, they will not abandon Trump. His soft supporters from 2016, 10% to 12% or so, may be convinced to switch.

They're dying off, at least.

I'm shocked that fux noise even bothered to talk about Cohen's testimony.

Why aren't they screaming about her emails or Benghazi?

Mama June watching Jim Jordan

Jordan and Meadows now want Cohen prosecuted for perjury.

So I wonder what Putin got from Wikileaks on these two Repubs. Any guesses?

Wow, they're really desperate R479. First of all, it was proved that they were WRONG about what the disclosure form says. They had it wrong, not Cohen. And funny how they want to prosecute him for that but they didn't care that Kushner lied on his forms 30 times.

Second, I doubt Cohen is lying about not wanting a job in the Administration. There's no reason for him to lie about something like that at this point.

Yes, Cohen was proved correct about the form. Whatever Cohen was doing wrong...Trump was doing far worse and so far he has not been arrested.

Jordan and Meadows need to tread lightly or they will find themselves in the company of Gowdy and Nunez.

And what has happened to Gowdy and Nunes?

Patience grasshopper, patience.

R483, Jordan and Meadows are just nuts. Drunk with religion and racism. I don't think either was smart enough to be worth bribing. Sometimes there are "true believers" who don't need to be bribed. They do it for free. Nunes is not the brightest bulb in the box, but he is cunning and sneaky and crooked. Gowdy is smart and crooked. LOL! All of them are ideologically rigid POS assholes.

From his pics, Gowdy looks that he is going the way of trans.

He's from Miz Lindz country, and politicians from the upstate have their flamboyant ones.

Gowdy was in a safe seat and beloved by Republican colleagues. It is curious why he abruptly decided not to seek re-election.

Gym's shenanigans in the showers and wrestling mats all over the country should be the focus of our attention.

Who's the Utah guy who abruptly left his House seat and went to Fox? Something was done in the background to prompt him to leave. the same type of program needs to be applied to the aforementioned House members and senators.

R489, the one with the black curly hair and the upturned pig nose?

The Jewish Mormon Jason Chafe Its.

[quote]I doubt Cohen is lying about not wanting a job in the Administration. There's no reason for him to lie about something like that at this point.

He apparently told many reporters that he wanted such a job -- but he may have now convinced himself that he didn't.

The whole lot should be shipped off to a godforsaken island where they only have each other to torment.

Eh, he may have said publicly he wanted it, but privately he didn’t. It would look weird if he were asked by reporters and he said, “nah...”. With the skeletons in his closet, he might have rightly been worried about a background check.

R479 What does Cohen care about the Republican "perjury" goose chase, when he's already going to jail? Don't these Republicans already know they have lost all credibility except with their brainwashed base, and that their party is a sinking ship as long as they keep bending all laws to prop up a criminal in the WH.

Was Jordan himself accused of improprieties with the OSU wrestlers? I thought he was only accused of overlooking the team doctor's long-term fondling and scoping, not of doing it himself.

Oh, you know he liked to watch.

Why hasn’t Stone's bail been revoked yet?

Jim Jordan is short. Suppose that is why he is mostly shown sitting. So, he was a light weight class wrestler?

There is something supremely phony about Gym Jordan's face and smile. He is false.

r499 The jacket is a joke, right? One cuff is down to his knuckles, the other is half way up his forearm. I guess they are making fun of Jordan never wearing a jacket in Congress.

The thing is, Putin advised Trump to tell his followers that if he was not re elected, it meant the vote was not fair, something crooked. So he is telling these people to cause a revolution, wreck our country and kill people . That is something Putin and Trump have in store for Americans. This Trump nightmare is not about to end soon.

Mark Meadows new prop that he can take with him to all Congressional hearings.

Which will make Trump's followers terrorists.

“Will make”?

Like the evangelicals in this country, they are already terrorists.

hey R481 - not sure what the 30 number you are referencing for Jared lying (on his financial disclosure form), but it's been consistently reported that it was closer to 90 times that he revised that form.

Now it is finally also confirmed today that the Resident forced the approval of Jared's security clearance. Can't timagine what congressional committee or jury he will be in front of soon.

So let me get this straight- Trump says he believes Putin over our own Intel community. He says he takes Kim at this word about not knowing about the treatment of the American who died after being returned in a coma. How is there not a complete uproar over this?

He is normalizing crazy. The repugs are reduced to foaming at the mouths idiots who make it clear they don't give a fuck about the USA. Pres Bone Spurs could actually say he hates this country and his deplorables would scream, "YEAH".

R507 because Trump, some repubs and Fox "News" have been creating the narrative that our intelligence agencies are all corrupt and trying to commit a coup against a duly elected, very respected and successful President.

Yes, r508, but you left out the X factor. He was hand-picked by God. How can one argue with that?

r508 And it is fucking getting nuts. FNC opened up a can of worms with this shit. They have cultivated this for so long the damage is done and they aren't going to be able to fix this (as if they want to). They've sown such doubt and division there isn't enough hyperbole in the world to express the damage that has done. People literally do not believe their senses any more. Most of the deplorables I know absolutely know he is a horrible, dangerous president. They have tuned it all out. See no evil............

Go on Twitter and read what the qanon odd balls post to Brennan, Comey, and even people like Sally Yates. They are unglued. And as an aside, Gym Jordan has the pallor of a man who lives in his parents' basement. Why are republicans so freaking ugly???? Did Michelle Obama scare them away from fruits and vegetables? Is getting your clothes tailored a signal you agree with the "gay agenda" ? Are decent hair cuts a sign of the anti christ?? Polyester, Mountain dew, and Cheetos are the Republican way of life

R511 don't forget Michelle Obama had the NERVE to try and get our schoolchildren eating healthier lunches at school!!! How DARE she? She wanted to be a dictator clearly!

R512 Especially with those gorilla arms of hers that she so brazenly bared. Melania can show the beave but yet Michelle arms caused the vapors.

I was channel surfing earlier and got a glimpse of Martha MacCallum of Fox hosting Jim Jordan. What I saw briefly was Martha showing selected clips of Adam Schiff and then both criticizing. Earlier, I suppose, they were bashing Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer and fixer for a decade. I quickly left.

Rupert Murdoch and his NewsCorp/Fox are the problem.

They really are. I was visiting my parents in their nursing home today and the glimpses I caught of Fox News out in the lobby were just disgusting. They are a HUGE part of the problem, I dare say the chief cause.

And they get away with all their lies because they label themselves as "entertainment" not "news."

Tell that to the idiot mouth breathers and deplorables who only watch them for all their info and news.

I like Sheppard Smith. Chris Wallace can ask some tough interview questions. Judge Napolitano draws the line on the obvious criminal behavior with DJT and cohorts.

The rest of Fox, from Fox and Friends in the mornings, through their evening cast of propagandists, spinners, and distorters, are pure trash tv having done immense damage to this country.

R512 Paraphrasing Bill Maher, "Hey Republicans: Michelle Obama wanted your schoolchildren to EAT a carrot, not stick it up their ass!"

Fox has always leaned to the right, but since Trump came on the scene they've become Trump State TV.

It took Rachel Maddow fourteen freaking minutes to get to the point of her A block tonight, but it was pretty juicy. Provided Cohen's documentary evidence is the real thing, it appears that Trump is flat out guilty of bank and insurance fraud. Very simple, very cut and dried.

Paging Mr. Weisselberg.

Just came here to say the same thing. Brilliant. Trump is soooooooo fucked.

Rachel is a graduate of the Paul Harvey "Now you know the rest of the story" School of Journalism.

She starts out with an odd out of the way totally seeming irrelevant factoid and she spins and weaves her tale of the day into a cogent, tight and easily understood expose.

She is brilliant in how she does what she does.

Agree about Rachel but sometimes my patience wears thin with the build up.

The best part of the windup tonight was learning it was Trump who rented the property to Ghadaffi in 2006. Doesn’t that just make perfect sense?

Bottom supplement to the stars!

Fuck this bullshit. Aren’t you tired of these treason threads? And how come these posts still appear in my feed eve though I’ve blocked the unhinged Queen OP several times?

r526 Then why are you posting in them if you are sick of them? Post in the hundreds of other threads.

There's no one more unhinged than R526 who feels the need to post that in every thread. Get help, dear.

Also, R526 maybe you might want to stop clearing your cookies. But then again, it's obvious to everyone you're addicted to these threads and the OP.

It's sad you need this much attention, nyet?

It’s morning in Moscow...

The OP of these threads is a loose group of people who keep the thread connected. You need to go back to all the threads and block all of them.

Sorry

And to the OPs, THANK YOU

Gym Jordan really is tiny. I had no idea.

For those of us who didn't see Rachel tonight, will someone who did be kind enough to explain what she revealed about Trump?

R526 has a tangential point. Only one thread features Miss Lindsey's face and name in the thread pic and title. Posters don't want to risk inflaming the control freak, in Chris Crocker-type style, exclaiming, "leave Miss Lindsey alone!" Compromise, feature Miss Lindsey every third treason thread.

[quote]The best part of the windup tonight was learning it was Trump who rented the property to Ghadaffi in 2006.

Can someone make a greatest hits reel of all his hypocritical business deals—starting with his deals with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard in Baku—and just play them over and over on every news channel until even the Republicans have to admit he's anti-American or (more likely) admit that they're anti-American themselves?

Gym Jordan is the scrappy little guy who will do anything to fit in.

Even if that meant turning a blind eye to men, more powerful and higher status, who were sexually abusing boys.

He was probably the guy in the wet jockstrap with the drum of lube on his back in the bath house days...

What the fuck did anyone catch Lawrence ODonnell did Hanity just lead Trump to say that Cohen told Sean Hannity that he paid the checks to hush up the porn stars??

R533, you can listen to the podcast of Rachel's show on iTunes or most other podcast apps. Download one and give it a try.

I listen to her show every night on the way home from work.

This is outrageous.

Can the House call Hannity to appear ?

This fucking disaster we find ourselves in is the blame of the bothsiders. repugs have always been sociopaths. The bothsiders are the ones who made and continue to make their criminality (to put it mildly) pay off. To be clear, bothsiders, or the concept, was likely hatched in a right wing think tank. In order to get away with as much brazen shit as they can, they must have a large swath of the public believe "both sides" are equally as bad or to blame.

And here we are..........

"Hillary is even WORSE than Trump!"

Which one of you bitches replied in r430 with a "Sure, Jan" gif?

President Trump called @mattgaetz last night from Hanoi to talk the Cohen testimony and the threats (since rescinded) Gaetz made about Cohen.

"I was happy to do it for you. You just keep killing it," Gaetz was heard telling him. (Gaetz told me he doesn't discuss calls w/POTUS)

August 2016

Cohen is coming back next Wednesday.. because what he said in the closed Intelligence Committee hearing was so.... interesting.

Something related to, among other things, suborning perjury.

Lanny Davis won't say anything further.

Lanny was good on Rachel tonight. Very informative.

Lawrence O'Donnell is great tonight too.

Are MAGA people freaking out about AOC's committee performance yesterday? I don't observe them or know a single one of them.

I thought we already knew about the clearances thing.

Wasn’t that a story about a year back?

What am I missing?

Me, too, R553. Is it something we were talking about here that hadn't reached the mainstream or something?

A year ago it was not known that Trump directed an employee of the issuing panel to issue clearances to JaIvanka.

The employee who would not issue the defective and unwarranted clearances was fired.

She, I believe, has filed suit.

This is fairly recent.

I could have sworn...

It wasn't a year ago but this was discussed a while back. I think it is just coming back up because they now have an official memo from Kelly about him being against it.

We're getting into this weird territory in the news where brand new information comes out - and it sounds exactly like something else that came out 1 year, two years ago. The sheer overwhelming volume of shit coming out every day doesn't help that.

I wonder if anyone will get indicted. today...?

I think this is the story we're thinking about concerning the Kushner clearance story being something we've discussed before. It's from a little over a month ago which, in Trump disaster time, feels like fucking years.

R560 Yes, but the new information is that Kelly and McGahn both wrote contemporaneous notes to document the process and to be able to state that they had objections. Comey and McCabe also wrote contemporaneous notes after their meetings with Trump. Unfortunately, the president has the power to grant security clearances. He has the ultimate power to declassify information as well. What I'm hearing is there isn't any legal jeopardy here for Trump other than his continued efforts to go against any recommendations for the Intelligence Community. It certainly doesn't speak well of Jared that he can't get a normal clearance or of the president to not take national security seriously. What it basically spells out is the Jared is compromised and shouldn't be anywhere near classified info. And that Trump favors family over country always. Jared has to stay in administration as he was tasked with getting as much $$$ out of the government for Trump as possible.

I would love it if tomorrow started off with an indictment with the catalyst having been Cohen's testimony.

That’s wonderful, R564.

I know we've only had power for a little over a month but I'm starting to get fits! Take em out, already!!! Everything just seems to be talk, talk, talk so far. When do we get them dragging unwilling Trump associates before these committees to publicly testify? There's so much shit that they've got to get going or we'll all be dead for five years before they get done!

You cannot be serious R567.

For whatever reason, I already had r567 blocked.

I have to say, I am always stunned to read George Conway’s Tweets about all this. He’s at it several times a day, every day. He HATES Trump. It’s fascinating. How in the hell is he Kellyanne’s husband? I mean, how does TRUMP reconcile this?

What is going ON? It doesn’t make sense that Trump would tolerate someone working that close to him whose spouse denigrates him and makes predictions about the legal jeopardy he’s in. It’s completely out of character for Trump to put up with George and, by association, Kellyanne.

It's been covered several times throughout these threads. George is giving Kellyanne cover. That's all.

La Senatrice is so fucking gross.

Heads are now going to explode, R572! ha.

What happened with Stone once again breaking his gag order?

I went to look up what Avenatti was up to.... he's repping 3 women against R Kelly now? I had no idea.

Does Avenatti even still rep Stormy?

In an exclusive interview on MSNBC’s The Beat, the former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, David Kelley, made news by stating that the office he used to run may legally indict a sitting President, if warranted by a serious charge, regardless of a DOJ policy memo suggesting the opposite. That issue has been a major controversy as Michael Cohen details the SDNY’s probe into Trump, and Kelly also says if new allegations against Trump ally David Pecker are true, the SDNY could cancel his immunity deal.

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I wonder if they're going to subpoena the secretary.

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With regard to R587 it's not like Drumpf cares about protecting Kushner.

I'm still betting that Kush has already turned on all of them to save his own ass.

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