Feminist Kara Dansky: Transgender activism is a men's rights movement

How sad that these brave women feel they have nowhere to go except the awful Heritage Foundation, because they have been de-platformed and demonized by the Left. I don't agree with their choice, but I understand it. They are desperately trying to be heard.

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Trans activism is philosophically shaky, and trans activists are personally cunts (or dicks, I don't know). But all the talk that it is a conspiracy to "purposely" ERASE WOMEN is too much - such talk is itself a conspiracy theory.

From what I read, trans autogynephiles get off on the idea of being women. So it is unlikely that they truly want to erase women. They want to join women, to be considered part of the female bunch, and so it is in their interests that the concept of femaleness is not erased.

Their attempts to join the sisterhood may harm women at times (check what happens to women's sports events when a huge tranny joins the competition), but such harm is, believe it or not, incidental. If it was intentional, they'd be admitting they're men at core, which is something they desperately want to deny.

R3 Read more, your ignorance is astounding

r4 No, yours is.

I know you are but what am I?!

5- No, yours is. Any movement that seeks to deny females right to female only association is trying to erase females. No amount of "play nice" and "they don't mean it" is wrong. I really get astounded when white men forget how capable of evil the worst go them often are. I mean you do it to your own before you try it on others. And It is astounding when everybody forgets how much the world hates women, but needs them . It is this dynamic which enables females to be played off against each other to the point that some will cut of the clitoris and sew up the openings of vaginas of girl children.

The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

R5 Sigh, it is really simple to see this has nothing to do with women as trans activism is all about men, nothing helps women, addresses wage gaps, the endless violence against them, both from partners and in areas like female genital mutilation, ALL trans activism is about is men in fright wigs bashing women, literally and figuratively and demonizing them if they dare say NO, to the trans men in fright wigs

r6 That person didn't make any argument before calling me ignorant, so how else could I have answered, retard?

r9 No honey, I told you to educate yourself fully before commenting with total fantasy bullshit.

[quote]Any movement that seeks to deny females right to female only association is trying to erase females

But trans activists don't agree that's what they're doing. They believe the concept of "female" should be wider than it is traditionally, so as to encompass trans women. These activists are not calling for an end of female spaces - they're calling for trans women to be allowed inside, because they define trans women as women. You may say they're in practice denying female-only spaces the right to exist, but you have to admit they're consistent with their own gender philosophy.

I guess trying and refuting a philosophy is harder than pulling out of your ass this ridiculous narrative that The Patriarchy is recruiting men to dress as women in order to undermine all-powerful female spaces, so that's why you prefer doing the latter.

By all means, be as anti-trans as you please, I don't have a dog in this fight. But do you really have to be an obtuse conspiracy monger at it?

And may I ask this - why don't you stay on /r/GenderCritical? Why do you need Datalounge to have these conversations - the same sorts of you already have all over Reddit and Wordpress? Do you want to have gay men rally for your cause? But I thought "Left Wing Men Aint Shit"?

R11 Because this is one of the few places gay men can talk about this stupid shit without being shut down straight away, as you are trying to do. These threads are always very informative and usually cause a few to reach peak trans as they are seeing actual info and facts about the fantasy for the first time

"I guess trying and refuting a philosophy is harder than pulling out of your ass this ridiculous narrative...." Well, at least you admit it is a philosophy and not based in science or medical research

I support Kara. Enough of these cross-dressing male fetishists imposing themselves on women and their spaces.

r12 LOL, do you want me to believe that the OBVIOUS LESBIAN who posted as "Left Wing Men Aint Shit" is a gay man??

[quote] "I guess trying and refuting a philosophy is harder than pulling out of your ass this ridiculous narrative...." Well, at least you admit it is a philosophy and not based in science or medical research

You don't understand what philosophy means. Philosophy is not supposed to grow separately from science, it is supposed to be an aesthetic rearrengement of scientific knowledge (that's why Nietzsche compared science to a jungle and philosophy to a garden).

Conceptual and cultural questions about what is male and what is female can only be decided in philosophy, not in science. Science deals with experiments, not with conceptual analysis or cultural criticism.

And for what is worth, both trans activism and radical lesbian feminism adopt positions inconsistent with science. The idea that trans women have female brains and personalities is inconsistent with science, but so is the radical feminist idea that male and female brains have no average differences and that all behavioral or cognitive differences between men and women are the result of Patriarchal Socialization.

R14 Except feminists aren't trying to tell men how to behave and what to except, OH, except to stop beating and murdering women,

Sorry but I do believe science and medicine can prove differences betwixt men and women, and so do you

[quote] Except feminists aren't trying to tell men how to behave

I'm pretty sure that's inaccurate. After all, you can't address women’s issues without trying to change their supposed oppressors somehow.

I agree, r3 is profoundly stupid.

r17 I'm actually far smarter than anyone here, as this discussion shows.

R18 Tell yourself that love, going into intellectual wanking proves nothing, cause, as you yourself said trans activism is based in thinking, feels and thoughts, not facts

r19 Do your grandkids know you're on Twitter?

R19 Why would I have grandchildren, as I am a gay man...unlike you

Wait, so then FTMs are actually part of a women's rights movement. They are trying to get some of that sweet male privilege and infiltrate the patriarchy!

The T's will make it very hard for sexual orientation minorities to hold on to our rights.

I can't believe that someone would believe that a movement trying to shut down woman's access to private spaces, succeeding at taking real women's sports and sport's scholarships out of the hands of women and shutting down any discussion of it by attacking women who speak out, to be pro women's rights. According to trans activists women don't deserve rights. They don't want ot be part of a women's movement - they want to stamp out the rights and voices of real women.

"They want to join women, to be considered part of the female bunch, and so it is in their interests that the concept of femaleness is not erased."

Femaleness isn't a "concept"-- it's a cold, hard FACT. Women are not ideas in men's heads; they are human beings in their own right.

"...this ridiculous narrative that The Patriarchy is recruiting men to dress as women"

The "men who dress as women" ARE the Patriarchy; no recruitment necessary.

15 - I'm a straight woman , you prat. I loved some men some I don't. Liking penis hasn't lost me my natural mind enough to not recognise that unlike Right wing men who think that women and children are private property, Left wing men tend to think that women are public property. Hence a plumb fool like you saying stupid shit like transwomen want to expand what it means to be female...based upon what, exactly, you cretin? At least most Right Wing men KNOW what a woman, female, lesbian, gay man, boy and girl ARE. And yes, it isLeft Wing " nice guys" who are okay with "female" and "Woman" being a mere thought in a white male academic's mind . So how are females going to fight for our rights if we can't name ourselves? There is no other "civil rights" discourse that insists on validation as the axis on which the whole thing hinges on. Hence ANY questioning of the Narrative is bullied into the ground because it doesn't make sense. It isn't the fault of women, gay or nay, that men are so insecure with femininity to the point that they expect women to shimmy up on the bench and accept these people into our spaces and all the perverts that will come right behind them, just because you refuse to see transwomen as the subset of MEN that they are. And you have exposed you self hate as a gay man and your lesbophobia . Of course a woman who takes cock obviously has absolutely NO problem with how the world is set up and HAS to be a spiteful man hating lesbian, no? For the first time in mine and many other people's lives, Females are in number less than men. And now WhiteMan Inc of the Left Wing persuasion wants to erase us as a meaningful category that doesn't include males. That is the definition of HATE. And this hasn't occurred "organically". So you will have to stand in line with all the other whinging male idiots and their female "pick me's" whilst I pretend to give more than a five minute , moonlit fuck what you are saying.

"Woman" and "female" is a biological reality. Hence so much of the "pro trans in the tweets, no trans between the sheets " narratives of "nice guy" pro trans men like you. You gonna fuck a transman with a fat clit? You gonna fuck a transwoman who doesn't foist herself upon females with a Lesbian Fetish? Yeah, thought not. And even if you do, so what? Why do I have to deny my biological/social reality to give succour to whatever you do with your cock? You are so stupid that you should have more than one head to fit it all in.

You make a sad mistake if you think yet again females are going to "pause for the cause" a la Left Wing Male "left wingism". We know how well that plays out for us as much as we know what Right wing male anti abortion rhetoric does for us. Left Wing men like you have been looking for a legitimate way to express your disdain for females and you have got it with Transactivism. Well you can take your Momma hatred and kiss out my Pussy Claat !

R24 Don't forget, it's not okay to refer to women's biological functions, like menstruation, pregnancy, uterine, cervical or ovarian cancer even in the context of healthcare. "Not all women have unteri." Please.

"So how are females going to fight for our rights if we can't name ourselves?"

This just might be the most profound comment regarding this topic that I have ever come across. Not only does it sum up the problem, it sums up the motive of the problem. Most excellent post R26!

Controversial action by Posie Parker and Julia Long at the office Sarah McBride of HRC:

MichFest

The Cotton Ceiling

Stef-on-knee

Jazz

Men's rights activism is based in white supremacy, colonialism, and toxic masculinity, everything Trans warriors have nothing to do with...

How is referring to women as 'menstruators' supporting female rights?

It is Orwellian

Men have vaginas but women have front holes Transwomen are women but according to the Greens, women are not-men Men getting notices to come in for Pap smears University mens rooms being stocked with tampons Men grabbing all the Title IX scholarships

All this chaos feels like it is meant to distract us, from what? To fundamentally change and in some cases criminalize, the use of factually correct biology based language. The why is not to mysterious there.

The promotion of sterilizing young lesbians and gay men under a progressive mantle is horrifying.

Misogyny kills women.

It kills you, it kills me. It kills all of us.

Stop it.

[quote]Men's rights activism is based in white supremacy, colonialism, and toxic masculinity, everything Trans warriors have nothing to do with...

"Trans warrior" activism is based on White male domination, toxic and mentally unstable masculinity.

Ah, those "trans warriors" who threaten to beat, rape, and kill uppity women. Very womanly of them. I'm so done with these violent, mentally ill, incels in drag.

Are the arguments getting too good, r37?

The issue is step by step progress. You can't expect full acceptance and legal rights overnight. It didn't happen for the gays and it will not happen for the Transgender Community. Start with some achievable ground rules by reaching out to women's right groups to find common ground and acceptance and go from there.

Of course trolls trying to stir up shit for their conservative overlords will do their best to disrupt any kind of progress like they do when it comes to gay rights and gay acceptance.

[quote]Start with some achievable ground rules by reaching out to women's right groups to find common ground and acceptance and go from there.

Trust me. The bridges have been burned. Apart from the SJWs, they have alienated women.

Look some Lesbian & BI women protesting outside HRC. HOORAY!

Declaration of no confidence in LGB movement leadership

The common ground is mostly lost. The kind of TW that were around years ago (mostly full time gay crossdressers) might have had a chance of bridging any divide. Most TW now (and particularly the ones agitating for batshit legal changes) are straight, white men with lesbian fetishes. Quite a lot are fairly wealthy and influential too. They piggyback off the TWOC sex workers to appear marginalised but in reality are anything but.

I read an interesting piece from some older lesbians who said these type of men have always harassed them in one guise or another through the years whether it was in bars, dating sites, hobby groups etc.. They used to use the old trope about being a lesbian trapped in a man's body to justify the fetish. Now they get to call themselves women and call the cops on Lesbians for transphobia.

"The T's will make it very hard for sexual orientation minorities to hold on to our rights."

The T will make it very hard for G&L to hold onto our rights"

The alphabet soup is turning into a "sexual minorities" of T and P and Incest.

Posie and Julia are taking a lot of shit on social media for the HRC action, and the feminists who appeared at Heritage are taking a lot of shit for that. The gender critical community is split on it. Look, I get the criticism, but most people don't even KNOW what has been happening to lesbians in the LGBT community, and most people have no understanding of what "trans activists" are really up to. "Build you own platform"-- oh, yes, that's been working so well, hasn't it? The other side has millions, and were able to get Posie, Meghan Murphy, and Jen Isaacson thrown off Twitter. What are they supposed to do at this point?

Seeing Cheslea Clinton kiss Sarah McBride's ass over this on Twitter just made me sick. She is the embodiment of Third Wave elitism.

Hell, it's worse than a men's rights movement.

It's criminals and lunatics and peeping Toms wanting access to spaces where females undress, and sexually assault lesbians and children.

Yeah, fuck Chelsea Clinton.

Why did Jen Isaacson get kicked off? She seemed quite intelligent and polite.

"ALL trans activism is about is men in fright wigs bashing women, literally and figuratively and demonizing them if they dare say NO, to the trans men in fright wigs" said the right wing troll.

"Ah, those "trans warriors" who threaten to beat, rape, and kill uppity women. Very womanly of them. I'm so done with these violent, mentally ill, incels in drag."

Lie after lie after lie, just like Trump.

"Trans warrior" activism is based on White male domination, toxic and mentally unstable masculinity."

You literally have no idea what the words you say mean. I suppose you think it's clever and confusing but you just sound like an idiot.

"All this chaos feels like it is meant to distract us, from what? To fundamentally change and in some cases criminalize, the use of factually correct biology based language. The why is not to mysterious there."

Feelings aren't facts. Feelings, yours in particular, means you try to manipulate emotion for political gain. Another Trumpian move.

"The T's will make it very hard for sexual orientation minorities to hold on to our rights."

Another lie to back up an indefensible argument.

Trans warrior ISN'T a real term

"Why did Jen Isaacson get kicked off? She seemed quite intelligent and polite."

For saying that men can't be women and deadnaming a convicted rapist.

Well, that is quite creepy, R54

"Read how NBC news covered yesterday's powerful event at the Heritage Foundation. They ignored all of the parent stories, harms to children, & the indefensible medical scandal while attempting to defame the brave panelists. This is journalistic malpractice."

Thank you, r41 and r42 for the links.

r49, if you think women haven't been threatened, vilified, and even physically attacked for pointing out that there are differences between transwomen and natal females, then you really need to pay more attention .

R58 Ignore the troll, they have nothing real to add to the discussion

Vincent D Onforio says FUCK TERFS

Someone got kicked off Twitter for saying "smash gender stereotypes." She questioned Mermaid saying children at 3 years old are "transgender."

It's just depressing.

Yes, very depressing.

Vincent D Onforio a loony?

You learn something new everyday.

I am sick of the media lying about crazy, violent men attacking people and having a headline that they are a "woman"

r64 I don't think he is particularly loony. He is just virtue signalling and happens to accidentally be on the wrong side. He is most left-wingers/liberals.

Vincent took his post down but has no understanding of why women are so upset over it. The radfems are laying into him-- good!

All of Hollywood and all of the media and a lot of beloved politicians will be expressing similar tweets as the Gender law comes up for passage in the US.

Andrew Sullivan weighs in; calls the women speaking at Heritage "courageous" (and is called a "tiresome cis man" in the comments):

R66

Whether or not he's a loony, I can't stand right Wing "Patriots" and left Wing "Virtue Signalers.".

Once either starts speaking, the party in the room is over.

I didn't even hear about this one:

"California Becomes First in Nation to Guarantee Gender Affirming Healthcare for Transgender Foster Youth"

September 17, 2018 Governor Brown Signs Landmark Transgender Rights Bill by Assembly member Gloria Providing Transgender Foster Youth Expanded Access to Healthcare Services

AB 2119 establishes the right of youth in foster care to access gender-affirming healthcare, behavioral health, and mental health services. “Gender-affirming healthcare” specifically refers to healthcare that respects the gender identity of a patient as experienced and defined by the patient. This includes interventions to align a patient’s physical appearance with the patient’s gender identity and interventions to alleviate symptoms of gender dysphoria – the conflict between a person’s physical gender and the gender with which they identify.

In addition, AB 2119 requires the California Department of Social Services, in consultation with the California Department of Healthcare Services, to develop guidelines on how to identify, coordinate, and support foster youth who wish to access gender-affirming healthcare. This written guidance is designed to help caretakers better navigate the process of accessing gender-affirming healthcare for foster youth and must be issued by the Department by January 1, 2020.

[This sound really nasty - targeting a vulnerable population and "identifying" and "coordinating" "foster youth". It sounds very sinister like a lot of sinister medical and political stuff in the past]

And re R71 post....And they are MINORS, in foster care!

Is this thread all fish or Russians trying to the divide the Democratic voting base?

Health dept sending men-who-say-they're-women pap smear reminders? And trans orgs are ok with this? Wtf. Now it's plain as dog balls that this isn't about being sensitive to transsexuals with crippling dysphoria. They know they're male. They know they have prostates, and no cervix. They already feel fucked up about it and generally try to avoid the intrusive thoughts. And unnecessary reminders. So now they get this in the post . deal with the dysphoria and then feel obliged to call and explain their personal details to a stranger, yet again. This is how you know it's not about consideration for transsexuals but about non-dysphoric transvestites who love collecting souvenirs of forced compliance/'passing'. Because it's actually cruel to transsexuals. Naturally, homophobic misogynist TRAs don't care. So long as straight male bank managers in fishnets get their own way.

[quote]It sounds very sinister like a lot of sinister medical and political stuff in the past

To say nothing of the liability, litigation and massive payouts this woefully stupid decision causes the State and taxpayer.

This is a MASSIVE PROBLEM! HYSTERIA HYSTERIA! THE SKY IS FALLING!

Now, that that is over, a reality check. 2000 trans operations in the US happen/year, out of a population of 325,000,000 people. Approximately the population of ONE CITY BLOCK in NYC. That's it. ONE BLOCK of people. That's what these hundreds of threads and thousands of posts are about. The population of ONE BLOCK in NYC.

THEY'RE TRYING TO ERASE US! THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE AWAY ALL OUR RIGHTS! THEY'RE GETTING RID OF WOMEN!

The population of ONE BLOCK in NYC.

Really, y'all. Get lives. Stop bringing this bullshit to Datalounge. We're not your target audience, because we can actually do the math. This is much ado about nothing. Yes, there are undoubtedly a lot of crazies in the TINY population of trans activists. 1/10th of a block in NYC! There are also a lot of lesbians who have not done the math and think this is a much bigger problem than it is. Your problem is with one another. Get a room - or don't get a room. Just stop bringing this stuff up here. It's not our issue, and it's a TINY issue, and it has no basis in any kind of reality, other than that it's giving publicity to the crazies.

[quote]It's not our issue, and it's a TINY issue

As long as the "T" remains part of LGB, it most certainly is OUR issue.

It's not an issue as an ISSUE (capital letters) because it's much ado about nothing. Trans people exist, they are not going away just because some lesbians don't like them, they will always experience some level of societal discrimination, as gay people do, and as trans people always have, because what they do and want to do is so foreign to both straight and gay people, their numbers are not increasing, only their visibility, and they represent neither a threat to the continued existence of gay people or to lesbians, except in the minds of some people who can't do math. They deserve our sympathy, not our condemnation. We can't really understand what drives them, but the fact that this segment of society has always existed, means, that like gay people, they have felt different from early childhood. I had heard of and read about Christine Jorgensen by the time I was 13 years old. As a gay teen/pre-teen, I had NO desire whatsoever to follow her as a role model - nor to most gay kids.

But, we, as gay people, need to constantly remind the wider world that we don't have the same interests, needs, or desires as trans people. We only recognize that their battle for safety from criminal prosecutions, from street crime and bullying is similar to our own - which is why we have included them in the same umbrella.

LGBT is an umbrella for sexual minorities - not for people who are identical to one another in history or any other facet. Society punishes those who don't conform. Freud wrote one of his most important books about this. Civilization and its discontents. And the punishment of society is severe. Rejection by family, by church, by friends, by employers, by the medical profession, by the criminal justice system. These are real punishments and they can make life a living hell. The history of the LGBT movement is to make the world recognize that the numbers of people in sexual minorities is large and their contribution to the wider world is significant. But none of us will ever be part of the heterosexual majority.

[quote]Is this thread all fish or Russians trying to the divide the Democratic voting base?

And yet you claim TRA is not misogynistic.

F&F.

Webmaster, this thread is hateful. Please close it.

r78 It's not nothing, when it becomes part of the law and education. When science is corrupted and language is changed. It's in no way about a handful of people, but everyone. And the feminists explain why it's a problem for women specifically.

Still the medical abuse of gender dysphoric children is up there with the worst parts of this mess, even if they are few..

Posters, FF Thought Nazi R81

Transgenderism is a mental illness that must be treated with compassion and care. The most extreme example of identity disorder which I've come across and which throws everything in to sharp relief is this middle-aged man who now identifies as a 6 year old girl. Whatever happened in his life to generate this identity crisis merits compassion but also those dealing with him must NOT collude with what is basically his personal rupture with reality.

He certainly should not be allowed anywhere near other children, for example.

Supporting transwomen is good for Gay Men.

Supporting lesbians is good for gay men too.

But R86, I thought you believed "trans women are women" ? Then what have they to do with gay men? Surely you mean to list all the ways in which it benefits gay men to support and welcome 'trans men' into gay men's organizations, bars, and saunas ?

More tampon machines? More vagina? More being reminded that "Not every gay man has a dick, you cis-privileged penis-fetishist" ?

Silly me. It's obviously fantastic for homosexual males when gay organizations redirect scarce gay dollars to be soaked up by female heterosexuals with gnome-beards and a yaoi fetish. It's been so hard for the heterosexuals of the world over the last thousand years. They need this.

[quote]and they represent neither a threat to the continued existence of gay people or to lesbians

Not when they force parents to think and ACT on the thought that femme boys are nothing but transgender girls, and that tomboy girls are nothing but transboys. This is the definition of an actual threat to human beings.

Protests at HRC? Guess there are a lot of folks who agree with R89 & R90.

I still feel guilty for giggling at the MichFest threads. Denying and minimizing will not work as tactics when this is being written into laws, education curriculums, etc.

"I still feel guilty for giggling at the MichFest threads."

If I had known just ONE thing-- that the vast majority of transwomen are straight, not gay, men-- I would have believed every word the womyn said. Instead, I idiotically thought, "Who cares if a few drag queens get into Michfest? It's not like they'll sexually harass them or something!", never asking myself why the fuck gay men, of all people, would want to get into a lesbian music festival in the first place.

I think I'm falling madly in love with Julia Beck.

Do any FTM activists freak out the way MTF activists freak out?

How come FTM are calm, collected and less likely to be in your face? They react to challenges the way most women do.

And it’s the opposite for MTF. Always aggressive and in your face. You know just like most entitled males.

Feminists who believe that transgender women are still men should not be barred from speaking at universities because their views do not break the law, students have been told.

A 51-page set of guidelines also informs students that views that “offend, shock or disturb others” are not grounds to prevent someone expressing them. Concerns have been raised that free speech at universities is being restricted because groups have deemed that some opinions are too offensive to be heard or amount to hate speech.

The guidance says that peaceful protests at events are a healthy part of debate but that they cannot be allowed to stop events taking place, “shut down debate or infringe the rights of others”. It also says that student complaints about lecturers should not limit academic freedom or lead to self-censorship. The guidance has been written by the Equality and Human Rights Commission with the National Union of Students and university leaders.

The guidance says that hate speech has “no legal meaning. The criminal law balances the right to freedom of expression with the protection of individuals and communities from threats, abuse and harassment both on and offline. Where this line is crossed, the perpetrator may be prosecuted.”

Universities have struggled most with the issue of transsexual rights. Linda Bellos, a feminist, has had invitations to speak revoked, and there have been attempts to stop Germaine Greer speaking. In November Dame Jenni Murray, the broadcaster, pulled out of an event at the Oxford University History Society after demonstrations were threatened. All have been accused of transphobia for expressing the view that trans women cannot lay claim to full womanhood. The guidance makes clear that this view is “lawful” and that a decision to “no-platform” the speaker or revoke an invitation would breach their right to free speech and that of students to “receive ideas”.

Trigger warnings to signal that lectures or materials may include scenes or references to sexual contact are lawful and do not undermine free speech.

The anti-extremism Prevent programme has been invoked to prevent Islamic speakers. The guidance says: “When considering speakers who express extremist ideas, providers should be mindful that the Prevent duty and guidance are only relevant if there is a risk of people being drawn into terrorism.”

Sir Michael Barber, chairman of the Office for Students, welcomed the “important and timely guidance”.

“Freedom of speech is one of our most cherished values, and our higher education system should be at the forefront of its promotion and protection,” he said. “A key part of a quality higher-education experience should be that students debate opinions and ways of thinking which may be different to their own. This guidance ensures that universities and student unions are clear on their responsibilities.”

Chris Skidmore, the universities minister, said: “Free speech is a value integral to . . . the higher education sector in the UK, fuelling academic thought and challenging injustice. This guidance is a symbol of the commitment to protecting freedom of speech.”

The UK has been in the forefront of putting TIMs in positions meant for women as student leaders. Remember Anna Lee? These people are sick fucks with their dupers delight smirks. Hate to say it but I think this is what Milo, a Brit, was saying at American universities.

This is a positive change.

Have any FtT's convicted of a crime ever insisted on being sent to the men's prison?

Lol, no and we all know why, R96, the physical risks are far too high to play pretend.

I'm all for trans people living their lives as they see fit and being safe, but I see too many arguments rising up that are outright misogyny, and denying genetic females a voice they've only just now discovered for the first time in all of human history.

There are trans people who get upset if women mention reproductive rights because it's "transphobic" or "not inclusive". Republicans are passing heartbeat laws and there is one only abortion clinic left in 7 states, but trans women don't want women's marches and organizations talking about reproductive rights because it excludes them. There were people "offended" by signs at the women's march that said "Keep your laws out of my uterus" because it was transphobic.

I can't think of anything more blatantly male than wanting to silence women fighting for their rights over their own bodies.

You get it, R98, and do not forget the corrective rapey Ceiling panel, at a PP conference in Toronto, no less!

There are profound anti-women, anti-gay/lesbian, anti-child - pro-pedo agendas at play.

RIP MichFest. May you rise from the ashes one day, boundaries defended.

The world is going to hell in a handbasket, yet the elites distract us with Stef-on-knee and other white men screeching about their feelings and pronouns. Bread and circuses.

Public pressure on Stonewall and HRC is long overdue. How about the T oriented NCLR and Lambda?

More and more I wonder if gay rights progress was fast tracked as a Trojan horse for all this. After all the T, pedos and incest crowd rushed in to try to bootstrap on some legal rulings, yet the laws allowing discrimination against gays and lesbians were never addressed. HRC began to address gay rights overseas with so much undone here. In most ways, power never shifted to protect Western gays and lesbians in terms of housing, employment, custody, etc, everywhere. Marriage, yes, but not full legal protection.

Never forget the $ and power behind the T movement. Where did the tech for all the hypno sissy porn vids come from? Oddly enough, many guys have found that desisting from porn magically erases their ROGD, it does not just strike young girls and it seems to be a SM and porn phenomenon. Who benefits?

Cotton Ceiling panel

Straight men will always protect straight men, esp against the voices of women. Even if one is wearing a dress.

Remember: Men are afraid women will laugh at them Women are afraid men will kill them

In a time of rising crime and funding cuts, this is what the popo are up to in that great music city, Manchester.

Remember the T cop in DC showing recruits homemade porn and taking them out to get them drunk? Everything old is new again, I suppose.

[R76]

The 2000 getting the operation aren't the problem.

It's the men in dresses who are the problem.

The enormous number of autistic girls &/or girls with psychiatric diagnoses being mutilated, sterilized and put on cancer causing hormones is like something done in China.

Originally the numbers of male and female (those pesky words!) children turning up at gender clinics was roughly equal, now it skews heavily female. The misogyny of the T movement itself and Tumblr likely play leading roles.

How long until the real health impacts of cross-sex hormones breaks through the media embargo? Add in the sterilization of so many kids and it is like some cinematic population cull. As a lifelong Dem who used to work in politics I can say that the left really scares me. And why is the new Congresswoman from NY heavily supporting Mermaids, a UK charity whose mission is to encourage the transing of children?

[quote] Femaleness isn't a "concept"-- it's a cold, hard FACT. Women are not ideas in men's heads; they are human beings in their own right.

Really?

Can you go around and spot "femaleness"? Can you grasp "femaleness" with your hands? Can you see it with your eyes?

No???

THEN IT IS A CONCEPT, YOU MORON.

Femaleness is only something you can apprehend with your intellect, because it is NOT a REAL WORLD OBJECT - it is an ABSTRACTION, ie, A CONCEPT, just like humanity, horseness, etc.

This PHILOSOPHY 101.

GOSH, why do people who KNOW NOTHING of philosophy insist on portraying themselves as such big authorities in it?

Go to school already!

[R104]

I'll bet women aren't a concept when you're screaming at your mother to make your dinner.

'It's not nothing, when it becomes part of the law and education. When science is corrupted and language is changed. It's in no way about a handful of people, but everyone. And the feminists explain why THEY THINK it's a problem for women specifically."

There r82, fixed it for you.....

So penis carrying rapists in women's prisons and shelters are not really a problem?

R104 Hilarious.

Love this thread, the best of DL

R104 Such anti-essentialist nominalism is actually at the root of this transgender nonsense - and much else besides.

According to the Transgender Lobby itself (the National Center for Tr*nsgender Equality) 89% of trans"women" keep their male genitalia and 63% are attracted to women.

And yes, the Trans numbers are increasing because of social contagion, termed Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, among children and teens. Now, a staggering 2% of US schoolchildren identify as transgender, when the estimate was less than 0.3% before.

Trans is in for the moment, like Goth or piercings or anorexia. The difference is that the Trans Lobby is rewriting the laws, on the local level too, so that a kid caught up in this fad can be released from their parents' control and encouraged to start on very dangerous puberty blockers immediately.

A course of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones are about $500,000 for ten years, so the Trans fad among kids is very profitable for Big Pharma.

But it destroys the kid. Who would probably have grown up to be a gay kid.

And it's the Democrats pushing this madness. Pelosi is determined to pass the Equality Act, where biological sex will now include "gender identity."

So if you don't care about gay kids lives and women's rights, care about this: The GOP will use this Transgender palaver to ride to victory in 2020

If chicken identifies as trans-beef and trans-beef IS beef then chicken is beef.

r103, people from Russia can't be lifelong Dems. Nor is the trans issue a centerpiece of any aspect of left wing politics, other than to acknowledge that transpeople are here and with us and therefore deserve basic protections from the criminal justice system and the ability to live their lives without facing overt discrimination in housing and employment.

Math people, math. There are very few trans people. I don't deny that some straight men with beards wearing dresses and construction boots might be trying to use the trans label to access women, but their numbers must also be tiny. I have NEVER seen one in person. EVER. And I have spent plenty of time in NYC, Seattle and other places where supposedly this is epidemic.

In other places where trans have been allowed to be out, 10,000 trans in the US military and reserves equates to 1 out of 200 and that is in a situation that until recently has been protected by law. That's a small percentage. .5% of the population - which sounds about right.

I agree with r110 that this is a fad. Even if laws are rewritten, people will soon come to their senses. I don't think that laws permitting the state to seize children from their parents in order to transition will be successful - we can't get laws protecting children from their parents when the parents are actually harming them, as in the Jehovah Witnesses and Christian Scientists who will not treat their children with life-saving medical measures. Most of the 2% kids that identify as transgender will arrive at age 18 and realize that they are simply gay or lesbian. .

ROGD affects men too, R110. Lots of men who are heavy porn users experience it, it goes away when they stop the hypno sissy vids. Goes away when the parents of the teens cut the wifi to Tumblr too, unless doing so causes them to lose custody. In many cases of ROGD the victim, young or old, female or male, has some degree of social isolation - due to autism, social anxiety, depression, etc. which renders them particularly susceptible to the mind control. The powerful dopamine hits from the social connection on SM or the orgasms from watching porn can be literally addicting. T adults are all over SM aimed at kids grooming and coaching.

Look at Jazz as an example. The social, emotional and brain maturation that NEEDS to occur during puberty was literally blocked and all that energy was focused on something that literally can never happen. Bio sex exists on a cellular level, it is not about hormone tinkering or plastic surgery. Jazz is sterile because physical maturation needs to happen during those years. Something like 80% of kids desist once they go through puberty, hormones are powerful things. The drug used to block puberty carries cancer risks and the administration of cross sex hormones causes irreversible sterility quickly. There is no research whatsoever on the impact on the brain during puberty, normally a time of great development.

When it is all twee and fanciful and sexless, like preschooler Jazz, it is easier to swallow. When you think about the real social, sexual and employment implications for the same kid and the loss of an option for biological children (an enormous drive for many) the picture starts to get darker. That the suicide rates go UP after transition is a stat that needs to be known. More and more are desisting but their stories and voices are being blocked.

While the T act as chaos vectors, what else is happening that we are all being distracted from? The T legislative and legal victories were quiet stealthy...

R104 So, growing breasts and other secondary sex characteristics, releasing fertilized eggs, menstruating, or, having the eggs become fertilized and implanted in the uterus, resulting in a spontaneous or medical abortion or brought to term and birthed as a living baby that will feed on breastmilk, then decades later terminating the fertility period with menopause is a CONCEPT?

We have a word for these types of people and animals: female. If we are not to use this conceptual word, what shall we call this lifelong chain of biological events?

"Woman" is the word that has socially been applied to these female humans, but "woman" also comes with a lifetime of stereotypical "gender role" indoctrination, just like "man" does. A person may "feel different" than those imposed gender roles and may prefer to "look different" than the body they were born with, but making that decision doesn't erase the original biological makeup of the person or the life experience lived to that point.

Like another poster said eloquently above: I do not support bullying of trans people and believe people have a right to name and dress themselves as they wish. But the CONCEPT of "trans people" being "excluded" from women's health issues and demanding that women not fight legal bodily autonomy over reproductive far oversteps "trans women's" issues and oppresses the greater portion of all "women." It cannot be supported.

quite stealthy, wish there was an edit feature

R112, you do realize that the Russian bot accusation is past tired. FYI: Intelligent people don't follow the checklist approach to politics, wholeheartedly endorsing their party's entire platform without thought. Instead, after thoughtfully considering each issue, they make their own decision.

R112 is now trying a new Trans Lobby tactic: accuse opponents of exaggerating the problem, much like what happened in the Bathrooms Debate, where the Trans Lobby claimed opponents were hysterical because Trans people "Just wanted to pee."

The Trans Lobby used the Bathroom Debate to paint their opponents as daft, hysterical moralists, in the meantime sneaking legislation through, often on a state level, that would go way past bathroom access. But, in fact, lack of access to bathrooms were used to keep women out of public life.

Oh, and the guy who pushed the infamous North Carolina Bathroom Debacle is a convicted child molester.

Here is a history of how women were kept at home because of lack of bathroom access from THE YALE LAW AND POLICY REVIEW.

[quote] Sexism in the 'Bathroom Debates': How Bathrooms Really Became Separated By Sex Yale Law & Policy Review, Vol. 37, No. 1, 2018 71 Pages Posted: 17 Jan 2019 W. Burlette Carter George Washington University Law School Date Written: November 15, 2018

R112 You are an idiot

"Can you go around and spot femaleness'? Can you grasp 'femaleness' with your hands? Can you see it with your eyes?"

Yes, yes, and yes. Humans, like all other mammals, have necessarily evolved so that they can almost always instinctively and immediately recognize the sex of other humans. And this obviously enrages you.

They want to completely dumb G&L and use those orgs for a new "brand": "sexual minorities:" T, nullo, pedo, incest etc etc

DUMP, though they would have to be DUMB to go along with it as well

r117, talk about stealth. You are using history of same-sex bathrooms from 1790 to show that women are being excluded from public life today? Really? It's quite possibly that that article is correct - ABOUT CONDITIONS AND LIFE IN 1790. We might possibly be in a different situation now. The situation was well on its way to being solved (designating some bathrooms as all-gender). That's still a great solution, but unfortunately derailed in many areas by Trumpism latching on to this issue.

r118 I like that you support your opinion with solid reasoning.

[quote]Can you go around and spot "femaleness"? Can you grasp "femaleness" with your hands? Can you see it with your eyes? No??? THEN IT IS A CONCEPT, YOU MORON.

A "chair", a "table" are also concepts. The individual things behind these concepts are very much real. Or maybe I am under the delusion that I eat dinner sitting on an imaginary thing I cannot grasp?

What the fuck is "all-gender"? Another word for men in women and girls' bathrooms?

Did you read the Yale paper linked at R117, R122? Apparently not.

Same sex bathrooms and changing areas are deemed absolutely necessary

Here are some more quotes for your wee brain:

[quote] “We have learned from so many mistakes in the past that women are at a greater risk for sexual assault and violence if they don’t have separate bathrooms,” says Gauri van Gulik, Amnesty International’s deputy director for Europe and Central Asia.

[quote] UN Special Rapporteur on the human right to safe drinking water and sanitation has reported that the absence of sex-segregated bathroom facilities constitutes one of the ‘primary barriers preventing young girls from claiming their right to education’

[quote] The founder of The First 100 Years, Dana Denis-Smith, said: “As we collected stories of women in the legal profession, one story came up repeatedly - and it stood out: the lack of sanitary facilities for women as a reason to reject them when applying for jobs in law firms. The artefact is a visual representation that we felt empowers women to share their own experience in a dignified but striking way. It represents the collective voice of those that faced such a ridiculous obstacle."

Here is another good bathroom article, if anyone is interested. Lots of good points in it.

So we are supposed to fight for women and girls to have safe bathroom space in developing countries, R125, whilst denying it to women and girls in Western countries? These Gender Equality bills in the US and UK are truly dangerous and the name is chillingly Orwellian.

r124. All gender bathrooms are usually single-stall bathrooms that exist in places that also have womens rooms and mens rooms. There is one in the college building I work in. They may be used and the door locked behind by anyone. They provide safety for women, they provide safety for trans people. Many people in the arguments above are pretending that trans people don't face any dangers when THEY access a bathroom. Does anyone really think that a feminine looking teenage boy in a dress and high heels is going to be perfectly safe if he goes into a men's room? That's ridiculous. Again, all-gender bathrooms are the way to go. But that would be too simple and too civilized a solution. wouldn't it?

I agree that women face risks when they are in a bathroom in a public building, especially in off hours, when there is little traffic. Police statistics bear out the fact that the vast majority (99 out of 100 or more) of attacks on women in women's bathrooms are by straight men in men's clothes who wander into an unlocked women's room and attack the woman in there. So women are right to be nervous about men in their bathrooms. But statistics prove that the risk of attack by transpeople is very small compared to that of a regular old straight perv. When the people freaking out about trans people here demonstrate EQUAL concern about prevention of straight men dressed as straight men using women's bathrooms, I'll take the rest of their arguments seriously .

r128 here. I should have said all-gender SINGLE STALL bathrooms are the way to go to solve the problem of trans people not being safe in men's rooms and not being welcome in women's rooms.

R128 Good that you admit that men in bathrooms are dangerous, part of the reason women do not want them in their bathrooms

Thousands of South Korean women have been marching against spy cams in bathrooms, R128. It's actually being blamed for a resurgence of the radical feminist movement in South Korea, much like the Transgender Lobby's threats to women's rights have led to a resurgence of radical feminism in the UK.

Spycam porn is a thing, including in the US - it happened in a women's locker room near a relative's home. In South Korea, spy cam porn is called "molka porn" and it's ubiquitous.

R129, you don't make sense, when the transgender self-ID laws go through ANY MAN CAN ENTER A WOMEN'S BATHROOM or locker room. When penises are normalized in women's spaces, and again, 90% of transgender "women " keep their male genitalia, how, pray tell, will women be able to tell the difference from a transgender man and a sex offender?

Women are legally allowed not to wear bras in public but how many do? Women wear bras because they fear harassment, so why can't transgender "women" fly their freak flag at home, and follow society's codes when they step outside? Especially given that their demands are endangering more than half of humanity.

Some info on spy cam porn/ South Korean feminist resurgence at link.

Regarding transwomen being automatically and universally imperiled by using men’s public lavatories: Fionne Orlander (see link) is a lovely eminently sane MtF trans person who presents as feminine and non-threatening. Fionne reports using men’s public lavatories without being harassed in any way by other men, and this is in places like Manchester.

Certainly that is another reason that pervy men want to access womens bathrooms and locker rooms, R132.

Who really wants Stef-on-knee next to their granny in a nursing home or in the bed next to their tween who had scoliosis surgery? Who would not see a very large and heavy man, with a history of setting a house with his wife and children inside on fire, as a threat, hair bows and teddy bears aside? Their agenda seems to make it illegal even to express concern or to object.

R128 you know that the reason we don’t have single-cubicle all gender bathrooms is that MtT demand to have access to female-only spaces to validate their feelings, yes?

If it’s so dangerous for a femme looking man to use the men’s room why is it considered safe for mentally ill and/or fetishist men to use the women’s room?

R110 ugh, does that gender legislation have a chance?

Fionne is a great find! It is a perspective that needs to be heard. That is what being brave looks and sounds like, rather than re-framing the word for narcissistic bullies.

Men in frocks can and do safely use the mens room or single use loos.

It is the aggressive fetishists who insist on invading safe spaces for women and children and compelling them to participate in their fetish by validating them.

Total side note, funny how people from Manchester all say erm all the time, dead giveaway.

The Equality Act will probably pass the US House because it's one of Nancy Pelosi's priorities.

For centuries, women sought to get equal rights under the law, and now, the only reason they might get them IN NAME ALONE, is because the definition of sex has been changed by so-called "liberals" to include men who think they're women.

I always used to think feminists were exaggerating when they talked about "the patriarchy" but Dansky is absolutely right that the Transgender Lobby is a Men's Rights Movement and it's only because the definition of woman would now include men that women are even being considered for "equal" rights, which won't mean shit precisely because they include men.

R137, Fionne is also on Twitter (see link). She really is lovely inside and out. We need to hear from more trans voices like hers.

R139 No we need to listen to women, not men in dresses, they control the narrative quite enough

In High School, boys play in girls sports to get the scholarships. Scholarships they couldn't win playing sports with their own sex. I may have a penis but I feel female today.....really. Hasn't anyone noticed Pelosi is ill, slurring her words, facial contorsions, head shaking? Gay and Lesbians big mistake was allowing the mentally ill transgenders to piggyback on what the G & L had worked long and hard for. Can the lid get back on the bottle and the mess they created get cleaned up?

I wonder if she has had a stroke, R141?

R140, I meant that I would like to hear more from rational, reality-based trans people like Fionne who accept that they can never actually be the opposite sex, who support women and want to coexist peacefully with women, who are not trying to silence women, who are not trying to usurp the position of women and destroy everything that women have fought so hard for. I would much rather hear what Fionne and others like her have to say than the majority of trans activists who take the strident hard line ‘trans women are women, TERFS need to die in a fire’ stance.

[quote] [R104] So, growing breasts and other secondary sex characteristics, releasing fertilized eggs, menstruating, or, having the eggs become fertilized and implanted in the uterus, resulting in a spontaneous or medical abortion or brought to term and birthed as a living baby that will feed on breastmilk, then decades later terminating the fertility period with menopause is a CONCEPT?

What you describe is not femaleness in itself but merely a list of biological processes that SOME females go through. And by the way, many people we think of as females, eg prepubertal girls, don't yet go through such processes. So considering that you define femaleness with a list of those processes (to give a generous interpretation of your nonsensical post), that means that girls are actually boys before going through puberty.

Your clumsy attempt at defining femaleness reminds me of this very funny (but very likely apocryphus) anecdote on ancient Greek philosophers:

[quote] When Plato gave Socrates’s definition of man as “featherless bipeds” and was much praised for the definition, Diogenes plucked a chicken and brought it into Plato’s Academy, saying, “Behold! I’ve brought you Plato's man.” After this incident, “with broad flat nails” was added to Plato’s definition.

[quote][R110] ugh, does that gender legislation have a chance?

Didn't the Dems get a majority at the mid-terms? They will all vote for it. Of course there will be more propaganda for it in the media because the past 10 years was not enough.

Oh DO fuck off, R144. Go wank to your hypno sissy vid.

No one knows what a woman is. It is a concept of some kind. What is known is that a man is a woman.

[quote] A "chair", a "table" are also concepts. The individual things behind these concepts are very much real. Or maybe I am under the delusion that I eat dinner sitting on an imaginary thing I cannot grasp?

You can actually touch a chair and a table, which are very much material things. You can't touch femaleness, which, like all other concepts, are conventions, intellectual constructs, in sum, fictions which facilitate language and rational thought - but fictions nonetheless. Individual women are real. But we call them "women" by making reference to what is nothing but a linguistic convention. Sorry that disappoints you and that femaleness is not some sort of snowflake concept, special, prettier and more real than all other universal categories.

Agree, R145 but it will not pass both houses. In fact, like the upcoming Olympics, dominated by huge men competing in womens sports, it may actually help huge numbers reach peak trans.

The reading of I Am Jazz in orchestrated indoctrination of schoolchildren is so fucking creepy. Spearheaded by a gay rights org - the backlash will be fierce and those that do not agree, like Fionne, need to be speaking out.

But can you rape a chair or a table, R148?

R145 after it passes congress doesn’t it have to pass the senate for it to actually become law? And can’t the president veto?

I’m not American. I’ve only been in the us a short time, so excuse my ignorance.

R148 sure sounds a lot like our favorite philosopher/cyclepath Rachel McKinnon. But I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

R151 here. I meant the house where I wrote Congress.

It's funny how these Trans-rights debates ALWAYS come down to the Trannies access to Ladies/female childrens' toilets and showers.

Prevention is key to safeguarding. Trans rights activists’ hand-waving dismissal of women’s very real safety concerns— that sexual predators already attack women and children in public spaces like women’s toilets and women’s changing rooms, and that women should simply suck it up or report being raped and sexually assaulted to police after the fact— exposes their undiluted misogyny. Sacrificing safeguarding for women and girls in order to center the need for trans women to feel validated is abhorrent.

The better to rape you there my dear...failing that I will stick up a camera and make bank off the creeper vids. If you dare to protest my presence I will call the police on you on my pink Iphone!

The raped disabled woman in the nursing home is just more proof of what we all know, men pose a threat to women and girls in vulnerable places. Even chemically castrated rapists and pedos or those with ED figure out work arounds.

R144 femininity is a subjective concept, female is a biological reality.

Your attempts to change the meaning of words that define 51% of the human race to twist them into your world view mark you out as a misogynist and a bully.

R151, the way both parties get this kind of tripe passed is by naming the bill something that the other party can't vote against without being called names.

For instance, the GOP named a bill that devastated the US Bill of RIghts, the "Patriot Act" - who would be courageous enough to vote against that name even though it was a heinous piece of legislation?

The Democrats are calling this bill the Equality Act and loading all sorts of other stuff on it, which will make it very difficult to vote against, so, if it passes the House, who knows what will happen in the US Senate.

Donnie Fatso doesn't give a flying fuck about women or children or the First Amendment right to free speech, which is also under attack by the Trans Lobby, so who knows what he'll do if the Equality Act gets to his desk.

BTW: for all the Kamala Harris/ Cory Booker fans, at the last minute they coded "gender identity" into an anti-lynching bill, which infuriated a lot of Republicans because how could they vote against an anti-lynching bill even though what Harris and Booker snuck in would have serious ramifications for unrelated law?

I'm linking to a rightwing publication, because, as these feminists and parents found, they're the only ones willing to help lesbians, feminists and parents on this issue. Other US media are the Trans Lobby's trained seals.

R151, the answer to your question is yes.

R158, Harris & Booker did no such thing.

R158, do you have a link?

Are others finding that they are being intermittently blocked from posting on DL after posting on this thread?

[quote]Individual women are real. But we call them "women" by making reference to what is nothing but a linguistic convention. Sorry that disappoints you and that femaleness is not some sort of snowflake concept, special, prettier and more real than all other universal categories.

W-o-m-a-n is a sound string which once upon an ancient time became a language convention. As a collection of sounds it's a label, or signifier in semiotics. It's arbitrary that this particular sound string got to denote a specific concept. But the concept itself (the signified) isn't arbitrary. The concept is a cognitive abstraction of the traits that a group of individual things have in common. The common unique traits that are the essence of the concept aren't just any arbitrary collection of traits, they are fundamental and intrinsic to the whole group of these objects.

Of course not all concepts relate to strictly material objects. But the principle of classification and abstraction is the same. That's how the human brain works.

And that's why "chair" is a concept. And that's why it's possible to have a label (word) like "chair" to refer to a myriad of individual objects. If we had to have unique labels (words) for each individual chair and individual object ever in existence throughout time, , the human brain would explode.

Found my own link. Uh yeah, that is exactly what Booker and Harris did.

The right, parroting the LGBT label, wants both gender identity and sexual orientation out of the anti-lynching bill. It is exactly as described above, mean to be impossible to vote against or to brand one racist or anti-gay for doing so. No one is FOR lynching of anyone, but Booker and Harris are trying to force a stealth adoption of gender identity protection, bad for women, children and gays. The camel nose analogy is apt when it comes to the T. The power behind this T movement and what that likely signifies is astonishing.

R148, R104, R162

Again, all inheritors of Nominalism and thus muddled. We're back with the problem of universals. Natures are inherent in things. They are then abstracted by our intelligence and discovered NOT invented and that's why we know them via universal concepts. Thus, whilst I only ever have concrete experiences of individual men and women and dogs and cats and trees my intelligence retains from those individual realities which I've experienced both what is proper to them as individual realities and also, crucially, what they share according to the nature they have in common. This is Aristotle.

Ockham denies all that and to paraphrase his Nominalism gives rise to this kind of thinking: we only experience with our senses. And all we experience is the sense data coming from individual realities. In so far as our minds notice resemblances we then CONSTRUCT a shared common label or NAME - hence Nominalism. But this is NOT inherent in the nature of the reality but is a construct of human convention.

In short the Aristotelian tradition is objectivist and saves us from the Trans madness. (And, crucially, could help in saving many trans from that madness, too). The Nominalist tradition is subjectivist which is what leads to this crazy free for all where if someone 'identifies' as X they have to be treated as X - because it's all just mental 'constructions' anyway.

[quote]the way both parties get this kind of tripe passed is by naming the bill something that the other party can't vote against without being called names. For instance, the GOP named a bill that devastated the US Bill of RIghts, the "Patriot Act" - who would be courageous enough to vote against that name even though it was a heinous piece of legislation? The Democrats are calling this bill the Equality Act and loading all sorts of other stuff on it, which will make it very difficult to vote against, so, if it passes the House, who knows what will happen in the US Senate.

The same trick has be done with "Anti-Conversion Therapy" bills in the US and Canada. They push a more extreme anti-conversion therapy than ever existed before. The cover was the old, somewhat rare fundie religious attempt at "conversion-therapy." The thing that people did not understand was attached to it was a trans push that children can only be counseled that they are trans - not gay, not tomboy, not anxious etc. They can only be counseled that they are trans.

Gays are constantly being used as a social cover for these bills, while the reality is that they are anti-gay, anti-lesbian, anti-women and anti-children.

Many young people, girls in particular, who have experienced sexual assault at a young age, get caught up in the T movement. Their current safety and treatment of PTSD should be the focus, but therapists, along with parents, are being eliminated as gatekeepers.

There was even a child with Downs who was medically fragile and in the PICU who was slated to have a double mastectomy. In what world would that be framed as helpful or a priority. It is dupers delight over and over, they see how far they can push, while most people thing of T as a tomboy or some Bruno Mars character, not a threat.

Thank you are R158 and R163. Booker and Harris do not deserve any support. I do not see the Dems giving this up at all. And people criticize the women who spoke at the Heritage conference. They were desperate to be heard. None of them were stupid, they know very well about the Heritage Foundation. I think they also know that the Dems, will never ever give this up for some rea$on. So there is really nowhere to go, to be heard, to speak....?

I think this is more of an opportunity to build genuine support for gays and lesbians on the right to be honest. The left seems to be using gays as a means to an end, in name only. The gay organizations and womens organizations have sold both out.

The more women and lesbians work with the right, the more understanding and support with grow. Lots of conservatives have gay and lesbian kids, think Dick Cheney. It is the framing of it as LGBT that is currently the most problematic. The T are the threat to gays, lesbians, women and kids and the left does not care.

[quote] The T are the threat to gays, lesbians, women and kids and the left does not care.

Yes.

They want to give them more power to control, harass and harm, the full power of the state, with gatekeepers disempowered or eliminated. They want them to have the power to re-define reality, compel obsequiousness and criminalize biologically based language, enforced by police and courts. Orwell is here, and is being ushered in in our names.

The women at Heritage are fucking brave heroes, not pedo Harry Hay or cross-dresser Jenner. Right on ladies, and props to Heritage. Never thought I would type that!

Btw guys, while we are all being distracted by the shrieking T, more and more $ from the Saudis is flowing to US ivys to support Sharia law. Google it with a whisky in hand. Anti-gay, anti-woman, anti-child movements, taking over the West in lockstep. Remember, in Iran, the state will kill you if you are gay, but loan you money for SRS.

The same left is cheering on both movements, that literally want to erase and/or kill us. So progressive. I for one would rather go back to the days of Michfest and tea dances on the down low.

Agree 100%, R171

R170, A group of radical feminists, mostly in the UK and mostly in academia, are just horrified that US feminists held this event at the Heritage Foundation. They were also pissed off that a British feminist, Posie Parker (not her real name) had the temerity to question Sarah McBride, a trans"woman" and paid lobbyist for HRC, when Parker saw her at the US Capitol.

God forbid a woman ask a man questions about a bill that would destroy women's lives.

These actions didn't pass the academic feminists and supporters purity tests, even though they had been told that the Heritage Foundation was the only organization willing to sponsor this event and that the American Left were vitriolic in their hatred of anyone who questioned the Trans Agenda.

Years ago, I actually worked with a group composed of groups from across the political spectrum to defeat a truly heinous piece of legislation (sponsored by Democrats by the way).

We were successful and, despite huge political differences, ended the effort as friends, with respect for each other as people, and also with the ability to discuss other issues.

This ability to talk to each other across party lines is being lost because of fanatics on either side of the political spectrum, even though it is incredibly counter-productive for any group to not be willing to reach across the aisle and coordinate opposition, especially on this issue.

I watched the Heritage panel and thought that the HF coordinator was genuine in his concern. Also, this statement released by Wolf (Dansky and Chavezs' feminist organization) explains their rationale and is very eloquent to boot. They met with GOP congresspeople and found a lot of genuine sympathy for their cause.

At this point, we all need to do whatever we can, in whatever way we can, to stop the redefinition of "sex" in the Equality Act to include "gender identity."

Talk to people, call Congress, get them to call Congress. Make sure to tell congressional offices (and I call them all, not just my own stupid Congress ass) that you yourself are gay and you are worried about how redefining "sex" to include "gender identity" will affect homosexuals.

Huh? This is the left wing's biggest priority in Congress? My bad, I missed it on this list: Here is House Democrats’ upcoming agenda, briefly explained.

Top tier priorities House Democratic leadership made their top priorities clear starting in May of last year, in the middle of the 2018 election season: They plan to focus on bread-and-butter issues including jobs, fixing roads and bridges, and lowering health care costs. They are also putting a major focus on anti-corruption legislation.

Tackling corruption: This is HR 1, the first bill House Democrats will take up in early January — a broad anti-corruption and pro-democracy reform bill. It does three main things: institute campaign finance reform, institute new anti-lobbying rules, and expand voting rights in the country, including things like automatic voter registration.

It has little chance of passing the Senate or being signed by Trump, but Democrats are trying to make a statement: They are serious about getting money out of politics and Republicans aren’t (assuming they don’t cooperate on the bill).

Protecting voting rights: The Voting Rights Advancement Act would restore key provisions of the landmark 1965 Voting Rights Act that were invalidated by the US Supreme Court’s 2013 Shelby County v. Holder decision. Essentially, the bill would give the federal government the ability to really scrutinize states with a history of voter discrimination, assigning election observers to states or municipalities with repeated problems.

It was initially part of HR 1, but Democrats recently took it out because they anticipate a long and drawn-out legal battle for the bill on the unlikely chance it passes Congress and Trump signs it.

Infrastructure and jobs: Democrats want to work with Trump on one of the few areas where the two parties agree: the need for better infrastructure in the US. Democrats want to fix ailing roads and bridges and put in rural broadband, something that would likely be paid for with an increase in the gas tax. Democrats also want to expand access to education and skills training and spur entrepreneurship as part of a larger effort to create jobs.

Trump has frequently put infrastructure as one of his top priorities, but Republicans couldn’t even agree with his administration’s proposal when it came out in February 2018. Action on this issue depends on whether the White House feels like negotiating with Democrats.

Lowering prescription drug prices: This is another area where Trump and Democrats have said they agree: lowering skyrocketing drug prices. It’s a very politically popular thing to do, and could come in the form of changes to Medicare or certain drug rebate laws. But the Pharma lobby is powerful, and it has so far convinced Trump to take a softer approach.

But with Democrats controlling the House, a new opportunity could arise. It’s perhaps the most doable thing for Trump and Democrats to compromise on in 2019, but so far, Democrats are waiting for concrete signals the White House is ready to take action.

Stabilizing the Affordable Care Act: The ACA is under assault from the Trump administration and conservative states, who have filed a lawsuit asking the law to be declared unconstitutional. Democrats are looking at passing a bill to stabilize the law, and fight back against the lawsuit. Remember, the ACA was Nancy Pelosi’s signature piece of legislation passed in 2010, so keeping the health care law alive is very important to her.

Also, expect Trump to fight her very hard on this front — he has shown very little interest in the details of health care.

Other priorities Common-sense gun reform: Reflecting on the six-year anniversary of the Newtown shooting at a recent press conference, Pelosi committed to bringing gun legislation to the floor, including a universal background check bill. She’s also working with members of a Democratic task force on gun violence that will introduce even more bills in the coming year.

They plan to have the universal background check bill be bipartisan, but again, it has a tough path to even make it to the Senate floor.

Action on climate change: One of the burgeoning fights within the Democratic Party during the start of the new session is how far the party should go to address climate change. Progressive star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is lobbying hard for a plan called the “Green New Deal,” and the establishment of a select committee to push climate change legislation. Much of that could be wrapped up into an infrastructure bill, putting Americans to work building renewable energy sources.

But also expect Democrats on the House Energy and Commerce Committee to conduct oversight into the Trump administration’s rollback of environmental regulations.

Immigration reform: After a drawn-out and bitter fight over immigration in 2018, House Democrats eagerly want to fix the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program and give young, undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship. But this is running up against Trump’s desire for $5 billion for a border wall, something Democrats say they won’t entertain.

There could be a bipartisan bill that contains a DACA fix and increased border security out later in the session, but many immigration advocates say they want a clean DREAM Act for a pathway to citizenship.

Appropriations and spending bills: Trump’s border wall has been at the root of the January government shutdown, and that was even at a time when Trump’s party controlled all three branches of government. Trump is again fighting with Democrats and Republicans alike over how much money should be put aside for his border wall, and more grandstanding over this is sure to come.

Foreign policy: There are two big areas Democrats plan to focus on when it comes to foreign policy; passing a resolution to end US involvement in Yemen, and slapping tougher sanctions on Russia.

This is the rare place where they will be in agreement with Senate Republicans. The Senate already passed a resolution to end US involvement in Yemen’s ongoing civil war, and Senate Republicans have been eager to put sanctions on Russia after its meddling in the 2016 election. Trump isn’t so happy about either of these, but Congress is a powerful player in matters of starting or ending conflict.

Funny, I looked and looked and looked at the Democratic agenda, and I didn't see ONE word about trans legislation being a top priority. So why do we have people above claiming the opposite? A LOT of posters. Where are they getting their information?

Some good points raised here, funny how the media outlets with feminism in the title say the opposite. Up is down, left is right, I suppose.

Trans people have supposedly existed forever, but only in recent years- now that cis women have relatively equalish rights- are trans women fighting for their right to be accepted as women. Where were they when women didn't have the right to vote or couldn't open bank accounts on their own or could legally be paid less or not hired for being a woman? Certainly not marching for women's rights. Where are the trans activists in the Middle East- fighting for the right to wear burkas and not be allowed out of their house without a male escort? Where are the trans women in the Congo, dressing as women and getting snatched up and mass raped by warlords?

They are perfectly happy to benefit from their male privilege until women's rights progress- thanks to centuries of hard work by cis-women- and when there's a viable alternative, they have the option to jump ship. And instead of joining with cis-women in the still ongoing fight to make the world a safer, more equal space for all women, they selfishly hijacked the agenda.

Maybe if cis-women didn't have to fear sexual violence nearly every day of their lives, they wouldn't have to care about the gender of the person in the bathroom stall next to them. Maybe if trans women want their bathroom access, they should start with that.

R178 Per this NBC article, yes it’s from October, but dems are saying the Equality Act is top priority.

Fuck them

Where is the proof that Booker and Harris, specifically, support Gender Identity legislation? The gender identity bill was later inserted in the Anti-Lynching Bill. Stop trying to smear those two.

Why do you see it as a smear, R183?

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

Cory Booker and Kamala Harris sponsored the anti-lynching bill, R183. At the last minute, at a time when only small clarifications are supposed to be made to a bill as its finalized, "gender identity" was added, to the GOP's fury because how could they vote against an anti-lynching bill?

It was a sneaky trick by Booker and Harris, and deserves to be called out, especially given the impact of including "gender identity" as a protected category will have on women, gays and "gender non-conforming" children.

The bill passed in the last Senate, now it will need to be voted on again in both chambers. Adding gender identity to sexual orientation, race, etc, makes it teflon as to be against those other things is seen as bigotry. Remaining yoked to the T has allowed gender identity to be bootstrapped in. It is clear why the Drop the campaign was shut down with quickness. It is imperative that gays, lesbians and women speak out against the danger posed by gender identity being elevated in legislation in this way.

How bizarre to have a lynching bill - and then to sneak gender identity in.

These are the games they play. Political games.

We are all primed to watch for them from the right, but...

Yes, R189

WOLF (Dansky' feminist organization) has a petition up to declare no-confidence in the current leadership of gay organizations.

They can use this petition to show Democrats that rank-and-file gay people are not supportive of the Transgender Agenda.

[quote] To: The political, civil society, foundation funding, and media leadership of the former gay liberation movement for same-sex attracted persons, sometimes now called the LGBTQ or the LGBTQIAPK movement, among other acronyms, and including, but not limited to:

Good r191

Bookmark the WOLF petition at R191 because you know this thread is going to go bye-bye. Then send the petition to your fellow gays.

It's time to take back gay organizations.

Look at this

She is already pushing the transing of kids in the UK, of course they will be comparing lipstick shades and trying to put DC restaurants out of business any day now, they are meant to be besties!

Why is she associating with the absolute worst ones & orgs?

I guess DL was right all along - she is a dingbat.

She is advancing socialist ideals, R196, so are they. Voila!

Actually, R198, the Communist party in the UK has taken a stance AGAINST the LGB and T, but I would take bets that it's the T that sent them over the edge.

They're the only part that has. The Lib Dems on the other hand have told any Brits who don't swallow Trans ideology whole (Girl Dick!) that they are not welcome in the party.

UK Communist party statement:

[quote] While being totally opposed to discrimination on grounds of race, sex or sexual proclivity, this congress declares that obsession with identity politics, including sexual politics, is anti-Marxian. Congress therefore resolves that the propagation of identity politics, including LGBT ideology, being reactionary and anti-working class and a harmful distraction and diversion from the class struggle of the proletariat for its social emancipation, is incompatible with membership of the party, rendering those involved in its promotion liable to expulsion.

Clymer’s post about how a tatty gift-with-purchase gold lamé clutch bag sealed the deal as the ultimate expression of his twoo twanz femininity was one of the most absurd things I have ever seen. One would almost think that Clymer is a TERFy agent provocateur, the shit he posts is so ridiculous it has the power to peak-trans people virtually instantly

R199, I love that the communists clearly give zero fucks about trans navelgazers and their pronoun policing. Such solipsism is inimical to their materialist stance. Now if only we could lure them into a steel cage death match...

TERFS take America

(seriously, that is the title of the piece)

Now, who was asking about Kamala Harris's views on the Transgender Agenda?

[quote] Kamala Harris ‏ Verified account

@KamalaHarris Jan 31 More Passing the Equality Act won’t only end discrimination against sexual orientation and gender identity, it’s a pivotal part in ending homophobia and transphobia and moving our culture forward to be more inclusive and respectful. 1,001 replies 4,909 retweets 23,709 likes

Sign this petition to take back DL from these ridiculous trans threads and the endless back and forth about the sanctity of women's bathrooms. .

I, the undersigned, have no interest in reading about the radical feminist war against the radical trans folks or the imaginary threat that .5% of the population poses to the 99.5% of the rest of us.

^ R204, Doesn't care about harm to women, or children, or gay rights/existence. He downplays the alarming growing numbers, and says out of the tiny few, they will grow out of and become gay, so don't worry about it and don't talk about it. That USED to be the case; the current anti-gay political trans push is making the numbers go up higher than they ever were AND the push to drug and mutilate when they are younger will make it harder for them to regain any other life, be it gay (what they would most likely have been) or straight. I just read recently, that starting younger will increase the chances that they will not become gay and instead see themselves as T in adulthood. So it truly is a barbaric anti-gay push.

TRANS women need an open space for dialogue, away from cis men and women, queer or heteronormative. This talk about "scarce" dollars being taken away from cis gays and given to Trans women is nothing but a scare tactic. Trans spaces are welcome to gay men, cis or otherwis as a place to learn, listen and connect. What benefits the Trans communities benefits queer ones as well.

Link, R205?

If I can find it, I will link it. I am crazy busy at the moment AND I have bookmarked a lot of stuff on this topic (and hope I bookmarked that one). If I have the time, and if I remembered to bookmark it and can find it in my tons of bookmarks, I will definitely link it.

I’m not cis.

I’m not queer.

If I have to call you by your “preferred” pronouns, then you must not call me cis or queer.

R206, your hypocrisy is stunning. And it’s also why your movement will ultimately fail.

Women simply wanted their own fucking music festival for one freaking week a year. But the Ts protested it. Vandalized it. Ended it.

True story: a T activist who boycotted MichFest, Dana Rivers, viciously murdered two lesbians & their son. A couple years ago. In Berkeley.

Where are their vigils? Memorials? *crickets*

And YOU want T exclusive space??? Now that you have successfully wiped out female exclusive space?

Y’all are certifiably crazy. Fuck. Off.

Say their names:

[italic]Patricia Wright

Charlotte Reed

Benny Diambu-Wright [/italic]

Thank you R209.

Appreciate it, R208.

We are the ones who are certifiably crazy? You bring up some Trans outlier who doesn't represent us in order to prove what? That Trans people are all murderers? What about gay serial killers? Look that up. Why do you so strongly oppose Trans warriors' right to simply EXIST; as long as you do so I will refer to you as what you are, a CIS person who has no understanding of what it is to be Trans.

Cis people cannot comment on what is right and wrong for Trans people, that is up to the Trans community to decide.

Thanks, R209.

I used to be supportive of the T, but our Lesbian sisters are getting screwed.

There is no such thing as "cis." We are sick of your made up words that stem from homophobia and sexism and anti-science.

[quote]Cis people cannot comment on what is right and wrong for Trans people

Mentally ill lunatics deciding "right from wrong", i.e., the lunatics running the asylum.

R104 = triggered and has stated zer boundaries

If you stop commenting on what is right for women, children, gays and lesbians, we may have a deal!

R212 Trans people cannot comment on what is right and wrong for sane people, that is up to the sane population to decide.

Anti-trans is pro-gay.

Put it on a shirt and I will wear it, R219. THAT is the message that lawmakers need to hear.

Trans have a 19.3 % incarceration rate, while women have a less than 1%, R211

A study done by the prominent UK newspaper the TIMES, using FOIA requests, found that 40% of imprisoned transgenders in the UK were sex offenders. These same men do not hesitate to request transfer to women's prisons.

There are many examples of brutal trans crimes, crimes that are statistically rare for women to commit.

A US website tracks transgender US crimes. women are human . com

A UK site for Trans crime tracking is at the link.

The T not only destroyed MichFest, they also went after The Vagina Monologues. Transphobic, you know.

Mentally ill bullies with the full power of the state behind them, what could possibly go wrong?

R212 Is a deluded tranny apologist. Mentally unstable people do not get to call others cis or erase homosexuality.

Everyone better go W&W OP.

By the way, about that unicorn myth about just wanting to pee and no harm ever coming to women and kids in restrooms from men in frocks, well, we all knew that was BS. Are T sex criminals, even with child victims, being given favorable treatment by the authorities?

Please go and W&W OP now, lest the thread vanish soon. Already greyed out.

That is serious at R224. And no justice. No protection even for small children. This is a huge important part of this issue that is getting silenced.

[quote]When she came out of her cubicle, Dolatowski shoved her back in and told her there was a man outside who would kill her mother. The brave schoolgirl, however, punched Dolatowski in the face, stomach and groin and ran to her father and siblings waiting just outside the toilets.

That little girl from R224's article is awesome and should be commended for her courage. I love that the freak got his ass handed to him by a 10 year-old girl.

Me too, wish she had a stun baton.

People are really waking up, including in sports. This is exciting.

Magdelene nailed it here

R212, women’s restrooms belong to women. Transwomen & men have no right to decide who gets to use the women’s restrooms.

On a global basis they have the full power of the state behind them, so a bit of the bull in a china shop.

I just saw from the Wolf link upthread that "Charlotte Clymer" is working for HRC. That is T/MRA organization now, period.

"Charlotte" Clymer is so hated that he has a Twitter hashtag cataloguing his misdeeds. Check out #StopClymer on Twitter

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez really needs to do her homework before she yet again endorses creeps like Clymer posing as "feminists," and "charities" like Mermaids normalizing the transing of gay kids.

The TIMES in the UK is not having this transgender BS any more. Here's an article about how Labour (the UK's sort-of Democrats) leader Jeremy Corybn's own policy advisor is telling him that transgenders are not women.

[quote] Jeremy Corbyn is at odds with his own domestic policy adviser, Lachlan Stuart, who has said that trans women remain “biologically male”.

The Labour leader’s adviser said that a trans woman could not identify as a woman until she is “subject to the same structural oppressions (sexisms) as are all women”.

Even then, he clarified, she would be a woman only in a “limited socio-cultural sense”.

Loving those comments in The Times article at r233. They are not having ANY of this bullshit.

Just want to make sure that everyone read and bookmarked the link at R42. It says everything and you can direct people to it when they ask "What's the big deal?".

Here's Kara Dansky explaining the situation in the US regarding the dangers of legally changing the category of "sex" to include "gender identity" via the "Equality Act," changes to Title IX and on the local level.

For instance, Aspie weasel, California State Senator Scott Wiener, managed to get a bill passed in CA that forces women to share nursing home and longterm disability facilities with men who claim to be women, the "THROW GRANNY UNDER THE TRANNY" bill.

Since Wiener claims to be the LGBT Senator, the coming backlash against his despicable bill will hit the L and G too.

9 minutes only and well worth it.

Well, what do we have here?

As one of the last places standing up for lesbians who don't want to suck dick, does anyone know what's going on at Afterellen? One of the last posts was a response to being attacked from defending lesbians against trans attacks and now it hasn't been updated in over a week (it's usually updated at least every other day). Did they take down another lesbian/woman defending website?

[quote]"Charlotte" Clymer is so hated that he has a Twitter hashtag cataloguing his misdeeds. Check out #StopClymer on Twitter

But... but... Charlotte has a [italic]gold lamé clutch purse![/italic] He simply MUST be a woman, and a superior sort of woman at that! Because womanhood is all about accessorizing, am I right ladies?

I'd say a good 80% of women dress casually and don't wear a ton of makeup and just put their hair up in a ponytail on an average day. Why do the MtTs ALL go full-on stereotype? I mean, we know why, because they are parodying what they think defines womanhood. But, what do they say about that fact? You never see a MtT say they are now a woman and show up without makeup in baggy jeans and a sweatshirt.

Transwoman ordered to delete ‘hateful’ tweets about gender

A transsexual woman who was told by Twitter she was breaking its rules on hateful conduct for tweeting that “sex and gender are not the same” has accused the social media platform of taking a “sexist, absurd and Orwellian” approach to the public debate on transgender issues.

Kristina Harrison, 53, an NHS worker from Berkshire who was born male but underwent gender reassignment surgery 21 years ago, has been a vocal critic of activists’ claims that “transwomen are women”, arguing that the two groups cannot be regarded as the same because they have different biology and backgrounds.

"As one of the last places standing up for lesbians who don't want to suck dick, does anyone know what's going on at Afterellen? One of the last posts was a response to being attacked from defending lesbians against trans attacks and now it hasn't been updated in over a week (it's usually updated at least every other day). Did they take down another lesbian/woman defending website?"

Here is the Twitter account of Memoree Joelle, the editor of AfterEllen. If something is amiss, she hasn't said anything.

Kristina Harrison is terrific. I feel so bad for what he's going through. Now even transwomen can't say they're male, can't define themselves.

Thanks for raising the alarm,, R242. AfterEllen has been an important voice in this campaign. Has it been silenced by the T?

It is not joking to say this is Orwellian, it is absolutely chilling. Changing language, ruthlessly silencing opposition, it is as though the West has become Korea or China whilst pushing an issue that poses such a threat to women, gays and lesbians and children.

Professional Woke Bro, Patton Oswalt, has followed Woke d' Arc Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's lead in praising Charlotte Charles Clymer.

This is going to be a problem for Democrats if politicians are taking Trans lobbyist money in return for political clout.

Cortez, Harris, and Booker support Trans rights at the cost of gay rights women's rights, children's rights?

Following the lobbyist money trail could be interesting to see which politicians are on the payroll.

It will be sad because it will be all of them.

Gillibrand is taking a male-to-trans with her to the sotu.

Gillibrand is actively fighting against women's and G&L rights. She called Linda Sarsour a "modern day suffragist."

Here's the money trail. LGBTQ organizations are raking in the bucks.

However, as I mentioned in another thread, HRC is at the forefront of this madness, and if you go to their site, it's as if lesbians don't exist, but there's a "TRANSGENDER" tab on the homepage, the only letter of the Soup that gets mentioned.

If the current activism, which centers the Trans, is any indication, the insane amount of $$$ donated seem to be going straight to the Lady Dicks.

LGBT FUNDING REPORT 2018

$524 million dollars, 511 foundations, 15 government agencies, and 12,964 grants

They (politicians) are probably getting money from Big Pharma to push T as well

see top recipients

When are the democrats going to realise that by alienating women in favour of trans has the potential to lumber you guys with another 2 years of republian rule?

[quote]If the current activism, which centers the Trans, is any indication, the insane amount of $$$ donated seem to be going straight to the Lady Dicks.

We are being robbed blind.

At a time when gay rights face a deplorable backlash.

r252 Looks like Gillibrand is the top recipient in the senate...and look who she has accompanying her to the state of the union speech.

R253 I know Republian was a typo but I read it as reptilian and it was still apt.

So apt!

Two weeks now since Afterellen was last updated.

[quote]Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez really needs to do her homework before she yet again endorses creeps like Clymer posing as "feminists," and "charities" like Mermaids normalizing the transing of gay kids.

This makes her look as naive and dangerous as the right believes her to be.

[quote] Two weeks now since Afterellen was last updated.

Let me guess: Sponsors threatened them.

Zinnia Jones: Democrats need to stop pretending that they don't want to kill newborn babies.

Yes, that should keep Trump from winning again! Good work, Zinnia!

That's very odd about AfterEllen. It makes me nervous.

The amount of lens filtration he uses has exceeded Lucy's closeups in [italic]Mame[/italic].

But he swears that everyone at the community college he's attending thinks he's 20 years old, R262!

This is all happening globally, although following the money trail in US is useful.

Even recently people on this board spoke about withholding their $50 or what have you from HRC. The narrative of them being a charity focused on LGB funded by individual donors was false. These groups are fronting for extremely powerful interests with astonishing money in play and the agenda is unmistakable. HRC had at least one founder with a pedo problem and another board member (a parent!) using her PR firm on his behalf.

Anti-women, anti-gay and lesbian and anti-children

Take a look at NCLR, or PP or NOW, they are all T all the time. Think of the power and money being brought to bear using these groups as pawns/fronts.

I fear a huge backlash with HRC going into schools for a nationwide propoganda push with I am Jazz readings. The public will understandably associate it with an LGB agenda. It is our voices that need to be heard.

The Equality bills are frightening. The UK is ahead in organizing but the US bill is on a similar track. The Times of London has become a critical voice, The Guardian has softened, we need to leverage that. I do not think we have the same in US media and it needs to be developed.

Quickly

I do not want trans spaces, I want yours.

This article neeeds to be read widely and a gay equivalent written. One focused on the T/pedo push to lower age of consent and remove parents as protectors - hope the folks who were at the HF have that coming.

Women are afraid to share things like this on social media. Large, unhinged men threaten them. Guys, it is time to step up, before they steamroll over all of us and our right to speak and the meaning of words is gone.

For many of the most aggressive autogyns leading the movement, it is a fetish.

This is very different than what people may remember from times gone by.

For this large subgroup, controlling others, coercing our participation in the fetish, like the UK banker, gets them off. In prior times they would have been transvesites, cross dressing at home or getting their kink on in sex clubs.

I shared the article at R266 on Facebook and a previously very pro-trans colleague 'liked' it, so that was a pleasant surprise. It's a good one to share around because it's so clear and might finally make some of female SJWs think about what is really happening and that their desire to please people is hurting them

Little by little, R268, if people knew, the tide would turn. If people understood that all legal protections from women, gays and lesbians and the age of consent issues re: children were at stake, only the T would support this.

Finally some sanity:

by Nicholas Hellen, The Times:

The royal college for family doctors has scrapped a course it says is making its members uneasy.

The professional body for family doctors has dropped a course provided by a transgender activist charity because GPs felt it pushed them to guide patients towards gender reassignment.

The course on gender variance, which the Royal College of General Practitioners had hosted on its website since 2015, has been withdrawn.

The college’s decision represents a significant response by the medical establishment at a time of growing disquiet about the surging number of children who are transitioning.

Dr Jonathan Leach, honorary secretary, said the online module, developed and paid for by the Gender Identity Research and Education Society (Gires) “risked creating unrealistic expectations for patients regarding the role of the GP in initiating treatment”.

Good for those doctors. And more spotlight on those who pressure them into "gender reassignments" on kids.

WHO is funding all these pro-trans initiatives?

Government and Pharma

R271, I think this is the in-depth article that's been linked to elsewhere about the money behind the trans movement.

The USA Powerlifting decision is under attack.

Let T have their own category.

It is a worldwide push, R271, with US, UK and Canada seeming esp bad, but open to hearing from EU folks. It is pushed by govt, media, education, military, medicine and NGOs and it is policed relentlessly in SM.

Wish the article linked were true. Without using the ideas and legal protections of LGB rights movements, it would be much harder to so aggressively and quickly push for T.

It's strange how a country founded in 1776 took about 230 years to recognize equal rights for gays and lesbians, and on the day after suddenly decided any man who puts on a dress is to be recognized as a woman and given access to all of THEIR rights.

Nobody can see the sabotaging of gay rights by making women seem the victims of giving gays those rights using men in dresses?

Women are also the victims of the T push, R276, along with LGB and kids.

I thought I made that point twice in my post R277.

Women are victimized by the T under the guise that this is a result of GAYS getting full rights.

The Ts are the Foxes in the Henhouse.

So let me get this straight R71.

Parents have, for example, a young elementary school-aged son who is feminine, likes to play with dolls, and wear his sister's dresses. He exhibits this behavior while in school, and attracts the attention of a school staff member. The staff decides that the child is trans and discusses this with the parents, who don't agree. Staff reports parents to Children's Services/OCY, who then proceed to remove the child from the parents' care into FOSTER CARE because the parents are denying the child his "trans rights". While in foster care, the son begins transitioning via hormones and even possibly surgery when he is older and there is nothing that the biological parents can do to intervene. Do I have this right??

"Aluminum Tubes" New York Times spews Transgender Lobby bullshit yet again. Not going to link to the op ed because don't want to give the Trans propaganda outlet formerly known as the NYT, clicks, but the author's name is Sophie Lewis, and she (zhr? they?) lies with impunity.

Points for mentioning MitchFest, Trans-Maiden, Sophie Lewis, but gloating over the womyn losing their harmless music festival is ghoulish.

BTW: one of the trans , "Dana" Rivers, involved in taking down Mitchfest, murdered two lesbians and their son. Brutally murdered.

Patricia Wright

Charlotte Reed

Benny Diambu-Wright

Say their names

OP What make is he?

There have been such cases, R279. I imagine there may be more.

Girls Who Are Uncomfortable Advised To Change Elsewhere

Female pupils who feel uncomfortable in changing rooms with a trans child should use staff facilities instead, official guidelines have recommended.

The guidance, contained in a document Supporting Transgender Young People, has provoked claims that trans schoolchildren’s welfare is being prioritised over that of their classmates.

The 2017 guidelines, written in partnership with LGBT Youth Scotland and Scottish Trans Alliance, say: “If parents of other children voice concerns about their child sharing toilets and/or changing rooms with a trans learner, they should be reminded of the school’s ethos of inclusion, equality and respect.

“Additionally, schools may wish to allow time to set up a meeting with any parent who has questions in order to address any concerns or misconceptions.”

The feminist campaign group Women and Girls in Scotland argues that the guidelines undermine ten articles of the United Nations Convention of the Rights of the Child, including the rights to privacy, to have children’s views respected and to recover from abuse. They also claim it is reasonable for a girl who has experienced sexual harassment to feel uncomfortable sharing a single-sex space with a trans girl, particularly because at school age many trans children have not yet transitioned physically, inviting confusion.

Schools are not compelled to follow the guidelines, which were part-funded by the Scottish government.

More than half of females aged 13 to 21 had faced some form of sexual harassment at school or college in the past year, according to a survey by the Girlguiding charity in 2014.

There were 222 children referred to gender identity services in 2017, including some as young as six, according to a report published by the Scottish Public Health Network. Trans children’s rights are also poorly protected because of the advice, the group said.

Teachers are encouraged to “allow a young person to decide for themselves about whether or not to wear a [breast] binder, and help them join in”, despite research by the National Female Genital Mutilation Centre, the Binding Health Project and the NHS that found the side-effects of breast-binding include rib fractures (leading to punctured lungs), scarring, skin infections and pain.

Máire McCormack, head of strategy for the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland, which works to protect the human rights of children, said the Scottish government should ensure an assessment is undertaken for all practice guidance materials and resources to be used in schools. She added: “We recognise that concerns have been raised about the application of the current guidance in practice and it is clear further work must be done.”

LGBT Youth Scotland declined to comment although it has previously stated that schools are not compelled to follow its guidance. James Morton, of Scottish Trans Alliance, previously told The Sunday Times that the guidelines had been “misrepresented”.

The Scottish government did not respond to a request for comment.

What about the rights of young girls to change at school without being exposed to penises or providing a show for them?

R280, I didn't want to give the WMD NY Times clicks, either, but I read it, curious what the latest propaganda was. What a stupid, ignorant piece of propaganda. I also found out the dunce who wrote it has a trans (a man) bf. NY Times is really on a junk level now.

Now some nutcase surgeon wants to harvest women's body parts for men because apparently it's their human right. Total bullshit of course because wombs aren't plug in devices for those who don't have the additional required plumbing. The sheer arrogance is astounding. Great idea to create yet another thing women will be trafficked and murdered for.

It is so grotesque, insane, and horrific. When will this insanity end?

This incredible level of pandering to mental illness is astounding.

I stopped reading once hypno sissy porn started getting thrown around.

Nope, it is not a gay phrase, it is how formerly straight dudes with a porn addiction are convinced that they are T.

Not only is it not a G phrase, it is not an L or B one either.

Cotton ceiling all the way right?

That feminist PP held that conference. The lesbians were all sold out long ago.

R290 it's not that either. It's the evolution of MK Ultra for idiots who don't get reality.

It's also hilarious.

Joe Biden's foundation (the Biden Foundation) is getting into the act. I put the link on the Andrew Sullivan: Milky Loads takes on the T thread.

These politicians are going to look like fools soon, but we need to act now to make sure they're aware of the level of craziness they are championing by advocating, carte blanche, for the Transgender Lobby.

For instance, here are Trans talking about faking their "periods." (at link) Some steal women's used menstrual products from bathrooms.

And yet, on February 28th, school children across the US, thanks to "gay" rights group, HRC and the teachers' organization, are going to be read "I Am Jazz" about a little boy who thinks he's a girl and got his penis scrambled on TV even though his faux-gina is apparently rotting, as faux-ginas tend to do.

LGBTQTI++ heroes, R292! Heroines!

How long until they try to grow a baby themselves? Oh wait, the fist step is this:

WoLF, Kara Dansky's organization, the Women's Liberation Front, responds to the supremely fatuous NYT op-ed that attacked the two British feminists who ran into HRC lobbyist "Sarah" McBride on Capitol Hill and asked him some tough questions.

The NYT Op Ed, written by Sophie Lewis, a whiny, navel-gazing, Post Modernist, surrogacy advocate (who, incidentally, dates a lesbian with a penis) has caused quite a stir, mostly because it is full of fallacies and makes absolutely no sense, including seeming to make a claim that white people introduced the notion of biological sex to their colonies. Including Ireland.

Here is WoLF's response.

It's time to call out the US media, especially and including the New York Times, on their uncritical, un-factual, and unfathomable advocacy of the erasure of biological sex. Our futures depend on it.

British Feminist wrote about it, too. Yes, the NY Times is propaganda. It was really stupid, too.

another important point

"So the author of the NYT article has an interest in a ‘rare’ kind of ‘lesbian’ sex involving ‘bio-cock’ I... see"

I put this on another thread but it belongs here too. This is from a Quillette article about a gay man having to defend drag from a trans activist who calls it cultural appropriation because white men lip sync songs by black women. It’s insane. Apparently we shall not mourn for the victims of the Pulse shooting because they were violating SJW PC norms. This is just one nutty trans activists, sure, but it does seem like they have a disproportionate share of nuts.

“When I tried to defend drag queens from the podium, saying that “camp” culture was an important part of our heritage, a trans member of the audience—a person who asked to be identified as “they”—made a statement that still sticks in my mind.

From the article:

“Remember that the people who died at Pulse nightclub were listening to appropriated music,” they told them room. The speaker was referring to the June 12, 2016 massacre of 49 innocents at a gay dance club in Orlando, Florida, a tragedy that was then still fresh in everyone’s minds. The victims were queers and queer allies. It stands as one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.

I asked them, “Do you mean to say we shouldn’t mourn the queers who were murdered at Pulse nightclub because they were listening to appropriated music?” There was no clear response—silence and a shrug. No one in the room said anything about this completely shocking display.”

They are anti-gay, bullying, and crazy.

Can you imagine the response if there was a slaughter where 50 MtTs were killed and another 50 injured at one time, R298?

Globally, erasing the political gains made by women.

I'm confused R301. If they are legally recognized as a 3rd gender, WHY would they be eligible for the 50 seats reserved exclusively for women and not the 300 that are for men? Doesn't that make more sense to cut into the men's seats since they already have 250 more than the women?

R302, because their goal is to erase real women while simultaneously being declared women themselves.

Why is it always the womens restroom that is declared gender neutral whilst the mens is left alone?

Globally, so many dupers delight smirks

Right R303, I'm just surprised they are being so damn blatant. Cutting right into the women's seats, obviously the goal is to make it so that REAL women have no voice at all.

Just fyi, the Andrew Sullivan thread is gone

Proving that this is Stalinism pure and simple.

This is getting creepy. Way to prove we are wrong about there being something sinister about the trans push, mediapolis!

Finally, some firm pushback from a prominent medical professional against the immediate leap to transition "gender non-conforming" (i.e., gay) children.

[quote] As working with people with gender dysphoria requires a different model of understanding, it remains legitimate to listen, assess, explore, wait, watch development, offer skilled support, deal with co-morbidities and prior traumas, and consider use of a variety of models of care. While respecting individuals’ right to a different viewpoint, it is neither mandatory to affirm their beliefs nor automatic that transition is the goal, particularly when dealing with children, adolescents and young adults. These risk closing the ‘open future’, as well as life-long physical problems including lack of sexual function, infertility and medical dependency. With 85% desistance amongst referred transgender children (8) and increasing awareness of detransitioning (9, 10), unquestioning ‘affirmation’ as a pathway that leads gender dysphoric patients to irreversible interventions cannot be considered sole or best practice.

USA Today

The account of a detransitioner, like so many with dysphoria, he suffered sexual abuse, in his case, as a child.

That is a misleading headline at R312. I hope she wins.

The thread on the woman arrested in front of her children and held for 7 hours for saying a man was actually a man was also deleted r307.

This is a different approach

R309 Yeah, They are part of the Transtapo, probably. Or they could be Illuminati: top YouTube minds have been saying the Illuminati is working on bringing about the Transageddon.

KXII News 12: Transgender woman allegedly sexually assaults teen inside Walmart bathroom

This is a nightmare face r318, nobody wants any of that no matter how he’s dressed up.

Interesting that the "trans woman" assaulted a 16-year-old BOY R318. Because REAL women hang out at Wal-Mart bathrooms all the time, sexually assaulting teenage boys.

And the teenage boy's family is having NONE of it. Filed charges, is speaking out to the media. GOOD!

From Graham Linehan twitter:

Unbelievable. Another woman is visited by the police, this time for discussing the ethics of womb transplants

R319 is an example of why fat jokes exist.

Scottish ethics experts have warned that people who go through irreversible gender reassignment surgery could be at greater risk of suicide in later life.

From 4thWave twitter:

"There's been a lot of talk about the UK organization Mermaids. But the US equivalent is Gender Spectrum, which if anything has even more influence on policy in the US (including conferences, school policy, and more). Zero coverage of this org outside our website (so far)."

[DLers: Did you know that the "Joe Biden Foundation" supports the transing of kids and is teaming up with the above mentioned "Gender Spectrum"?]

[quote][DLers: Did you know that the "Joe Biden Foundation" supports the transing of kids and is teaming up with the above mentioned "Gender Spectrum"?]

This makes me believe the rumors about him being a creeper. And it makes it hard to hate the GOP in good faith when the other side is doing something that's arguably worse.

It's still very easy for me to hate the GOP, r325. Just because the Dems are wrong on this one issue, it does not make the GOP any less toxic to women, gay men, and children.

Graham "Father Ted" Linehan is now known primarily for being obsessed with trans.

No, he’s not r327. He’s known as a seriously talented writer who also understands that wearing a barrette and a duper’s delight smirk doesn’t make a man into a woman.

Since women are routinely shouted down and threatened with rape and murder by the transtapo, good for Lineham.

By the way, one of the heroic incels in drag who beat up a 61-year-old woman in Hyde Park finally got sentenced. Not enough but it's a start.

Any more news on the Olympics and whether they are going to let men compete in all the women's competitions so they don't hurt the feelings of men in dresses?

Yes, they are going to let them into women's events, R330. It is insane and completely unfair.

This twitter account is excellent in general and has some information on trans taking over women's athletics, including Olympic rules.

It links to a lot of other good twitter accounts too.

If they truly do let these men dressed in spandex showing their dick bulges and lack of breasts compete and beat the real female athletes in the nationally broadcast Olympic events, it might be the end of this nonsense.

^^^ fingers crossed

I don't think the new women's beach volleyball team is going to be too popular.

An Olympics takeover by trans-identified males stands a good chance at peak-transing the entire world. Not everyone is on board with this insanity yet.

R42 that is excellently worded and you fucking bet I signed..BUT somebody needs to remove Ian Huntley’s name from that list. The TRAs, in typical smokescreen fashion, are attempting to use the ostensibly false reports of Huntley’s transition as propaganda cudgel to discredit everything else from our side

R336: The IOC has been corrupt and homophobic for decades now. They need to be shut down.

Take the AMPAS with them for honoring movies about trannies and pedos at the expense of movies about adult gay male relationships.

Could someone please post the entire article from the (London ) Times by Martina Natralova?

R339 there’s this one for now

Oops I meant here’s a thread for now. But yes someone needs to post that piece.

Yes, please. The entire text of this

Ah, actually you can see it here

^Mumsnet usually has share tokens

Share token. Get it while it lasts. My RAM is fucking up so I can’t paste the article. Someone please.

The rules on trans athletes reward cheats and punish the innocent martina navratilova

Letting men compete as women simply if they change their name and take hormones is unfair — no matter how those athletes may throw their weight around

SShortly before Christmas I inadvertently stumbled into the mother and father of a spat about gender and fair play in sport. It began with an instinctive reaction and a tweet that I wrote on a serious forum dealing with the subject. “You can’t just proclaim yourself a female and be able to compete against women,” I tweeted. “There must be some standards, and having a penis and competing as a woman would not fit that standard.”

Perhaps I could have phrased it more delicately and less dogmatically, but I was not prepared for the onslaught that followed, chiefly from a Canadian academic and transgender cyclist named Rachel McKinnon.

McKinnon won the Masters Track cycling world championship in Los Angeles last October in the 35-44 age category. It was a victory that gave rise to controversy — not least because the woman who came third, Jennifer Wagner-Assali, said it was “not fair”.

McKinnon has vigorously defended her right to compete, pointing out that, when tested, her levels of testosterone, the male hormone, were well within the limits set by world cycling’s governing body. Nevertheless, at 6ft tall and weighing more than 14 stone, she appeared to have a substantial advantage in muscle mass over her rivals.

My tweet brought an angry response from McKinnon, whom I had not named (I had no idea who she was at the time). She accused me of being “transphobic” and demanded I delete my tweet and apologise. Since I have spent much of my life fighting injustice, on my own behalf and for others, I was pretty put out, especially when the bullying tweets from McKinnon continued, like incoming fire.

Ever the peacemaker, I promised to keep quiet on the subject until I had properly researched it.

Well, I’ve now done that and, if anything, my views have strengthened. To put the argument at its most basic: a man can decide to be female, take hormones if required by whatever sporting organisation is concerned, win everything in sight and perhaps earn a small fortune, and then reverse his decision and go back to making babies if he so desires. It’s insane and it’s cheating. I am happy to address a transgender woman in whatever form she prefers, but I would not be happy to compete against her. It would not be fair.

Simply reducing hormone levels — the prescription most sports have adopted — does not solve the problem. A man builds up muscle and bone density, as well as a greater number of oxygen-carrying red blood cells, from childhood. Training increases the discrepancy. Indeed, if a male were to change gender in such a way as to eliminate any accumulated advantage, he would have to begin hormone treatment before puberty. For me, that is unthinkable.

Hundreds of athletes who have changed gender by declaration and limited hormone treatment have already achieved honours as women that were beyond their capabilities as men, especially in sports in which power rather than skill is paramount. McKinnon is just one example. That may uphold the International Olympic Committee’s charter, which holds that “the practice of sport is a human right”, but it is surely unfair on women who have to compete against people who, biologically, are still men.

I know the argument is made that sport is always unfair and that the notion of a level playing field is a myth. Someone who is 5ft tall has next to no chance on a basketball court. But I still believe that fairness should always be valued and strived for, and that unfairness introduced through human action and chemical means should be condemned and outlawed.

Let me make a critical distinction between transgender and transsexual athletes. Transsexuals have decided to change their gender and have had the deed done, surgically. They have made the full commitment. They are few in number and rarely enjoy a competitive advantage.

Back in the 1970s, when I was competing, Renée Richards appeared on the women’s tour. Originally a man named Richard Raskind — a strong but not outstanding player who competed at the US Open — Raskind changed his sex through surgery, changed his name (Renée means “reborn” in French) and began to compete as a woman.

I had no objection (she later became my coach and a friend), but some players refused to compete against her and the United States Tennis Association prevented her from competing at the US Open. She took the organisation to court for discrimination and won. She competed once more at the US Open, with very similar results to those she achieved two decades earlier as a man.

Judgments are difficult and dilemmas abound (Richards, now an ophthalmologist, these days has misgivings about her actions herself), but the ruling principle most be fairness.

That brings me to the most controversial current case, involving Caster Semenya, the Olympic 800m champion. She was designated female at birth and has been raised as female throughout her life. Suspicions were aroused because she was such a dominant runner and her body shape looked male.

It turned out that Semenya has a condition called hyperandrogenism, which produces naturally occurring, but elevated, levels of testosterone. She has never taken medication or sought an advantage. She has just trained and run.

Unfortunately, the International Association of Athletics Federations decided to bring in a rule requiring female athletes with naturally high testosterone levels to take hormone therapy for six months and then to maintain lower testosterone levels.

The new rule, which was due to come into force last November until it was legally challenged by Semenya and Athletics South Africa, was to apply to track events from 400m to a mile. Leaving out sprints and longer distances seems to me to be a clear case of discrimination by targeting Semenya. And can it be right to order athletes to take medication? What if the long-term effects proved harmful?

Semenya’s case will come up tomorrow at the Court of Arbitration for Sport. It is expected to last a week and the outcome is expected on March 29. I hope she wins.

Semenya, Richards and many others have been subject to vilification, ostracism and the awful human inclination to identify anyone who is different and start a witch hunt. I had problems of that kind myself when I came out as gay in 1981, and it hurt, terribly.

McKinnon, who says she received more than 100,000 hate messages on Twitter after winning the world championship, has presented herself and other transgender athletes as victims of prejudice. Certainly, there can be no excuse for such ignorance and nastiness.

But I also deplore what seems to be a growing tendency among transgender activists to denounce anyone who argues against them and to label them all as “transphobes”. That’s just another form of tyranny. I’m relatively tough and was able to stand up for myself in my Twitter exchange with McKinnon, but I worry that others may be cowed into silence or submission.

Here’s how I concluded my Twitter spat: “Rachel, you may be an expert on all things trans, but you are one nasty human being. Attack, attack, attack. I will not take it from you. You did not engage; you bullied. Not blocking you [though I later did, because who wants all that negativity], but enough already. All I want is fairness.”

Oh wow. What a fucking star!

Balls 👀 in your court Mr McKinnon

Wow. She went in and rightly so.

Outsports (Transports) headline

"Martina Navratilova on trans athletes: ‘Letting men compete as women is unfair’ The tennis legend says transgender inclusion in sports is “insane and it’s cheating.”

[That is correct!]

Then they say:

Martina Navratilova, who first came out as lesbian in 1981, came out again Sunday as a transphobe.

["transphobe" because they cannot dispute what she is saying and want to shut down reality-based discussions]

Transphobe is the new dyke.

She is a genuine hero in the LGB community. Few were out at that time.

Sports have a real likelihood of peaking folks.

Hope this and the Heritage thing start to convey to the public that there is no cohesion with LGB and the T and that the T actually undermines the legal basis for the rights gained by LGB and women.

The ideal of playing with hormones and that somehow having magic properties to erase reality is the core of the whole movement, no? That and thought and language policing.

Yay for real heroes like MN not media creations like BJ and JS.

"Athena Del Rosario, an NCAA hockey goalie who came out in Outsports in 2017, tweeted her disappointment to us, upon seeing Navratilova’s op-ed: 'Oh geeze she thinks I’m a cheater without even knowing shit about me. What a loser. As an athlete being called a cheater is just about the worst thing. Martina, you re trash. I’m not above insults. You’ve got a more manlier body than me you bag.'"

Of course I already knew that Outsports, like all mainstream LGBT outlets except AfterEllen, was anti-feminist and anti-lesbian, but my God, to be so blatant about it! "Trash." "Manly." "A bag." It just sickens me that it's come to this. Such betrayal.

They are not even trying to hide the misogyny or homophobia.

YAY MARTINA!!!

She totally aced it.

A true gay hero.

😀

She blocked me on Twitter for saying the same thing. What changed her mind?

True, r355.

Most Ts these days are straight men who hate women, especially lesbians.

What Athena considers brave

Worth a read

She was probably a bit overwhelmed with that first tweeting fight from that idiot, and with all the responses. (Women were begging her to talk about it) I don't think people are aware of what is going on with all the T bullying and lies and how it is affecting so many things.

PS: Is the US media covering Martina's remarks in this article? When I google, I only see UK and Irish media reporting on it....

More coddling, is it because so many are in IT?

Poor me, I get stared at? Well, by choice!

So much not even veiled fascism seems to be the go to response.

The Equality bill in the UK is similar to the one in the US but there people actually seem aware of it. Here, not so much.

Just a heads up. Outsports (the only dedicated gay and lesbian sports site) is literally under new trans management, Cyd and the other one are taking a backseat to a trans sports writer/manager who will be taking the site in a new direction ..🤔hmmm I wonder what that will be

Trans Row

Athletes swapping sides

February 17 2019, 12:01am,

The Sunday Times

Lauren Jeska, a transgender woman, won four English and British fell running championships. After officials asked to test her hormone levels, she attacked three with a knife and is serving 18 years for attempted murder.

Laurel Hubbard, a New Zealand weightlifter, set junior male records before transitioning at 35. She won 2017’s Australian Open and was expected to take Commonwealth Games gold last year, until injury made her withdraw.

Hannah Mouncey played 22 times for Australia’s male handball team before transitioning in 2015-16 and joining the women’s side. She also plays Australian rules football but was banned from the women’s league.

[quote]The Equality bill in the UK is similar to the one in the US but there people actually seem aware of it. Here, not so much.

That is the way they like it. All the positive , misleading propaganda about "transkids" for 10 years, Bruce as "Woman of the Year" etc. But absolute silence about the law that they will rush to pass and how it will affect many people negatively. (Esp gay progress, women's rights, and children)

There was no discussion in Canada about it in the media about it (though some women tried, like Meghan Murphy). It was rushed through. 99.999% of people do not know that it was passed, what was in it, or how it will affect people or society.

Well, the lynching bill pushing through gender identity seems unlikely now, so at least there is that, R366.

G*nd*r is a form of cultural lynching. They are trying to medicalize androgynous children. This is a war crime, not a civil rights movement.

Definitely, R368.

Express: Girl pupils 'are afraid of using unisex loos'

GIRLS are staying away from school or not going to the loo during the day because of the growing trend of mixed-sex toilets. Problems include cruel "period shaming" from boys, sexual harassment or a lack of privacy.

A growing number of schools are phasing out single-sex toilets as it is claimed unisex ones reduce bullying and are more inclusive to transgender children. But a consultation by feminist campaigners Women's Voices Wales found pupils, parents and staff are not consulted or are too embarrassed to complain. It called for the policy to be reviewed. One parent of a secondary school girl said: "She won't use the toilets and tries to last all day. Boys are always speculating on whether girls are having their periods according to how long they take in the toilet."

They say it never happens and we're bigots and fearmongers for claiming it does. And then they go and do it. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. It is literally like letting the fox in the hen house.

Background on the Brave and Stunning new editor of Outsports

More on Dawn/Don:

I can't believe the 2 gay guys at Outsports handed over their gay website to a straight man who is now harassing a lesbian sports legend.

Yeah, R374. Fuck them.

Dawn/Don needs to be sectioned and have access to the internet restricted, not be running a website. You could not make that narrative up! His poor wife. Talk about crazy eyes!

Don Cheadle wears a “ support trans kids” t shirt on SNL last night. He is the king of SJW crap. We need to drop the T! Never refer to yourself as lgbt, just use gay, les or bi

Helpful hint for Dawn/Don: Buy fewer wigs, but make each wig more expensive.

Note: This article is behind a paywall.

Telegraph: 'Why are we so scared to admit many people regret changing their gender?'

T his week – as has been the case on some 50 previous occasions since he first made headlines for attempting to conduct research into people who had regretted changing their gender – James Caspian received a poignant email.

Confidentiality is paramount to Caspian, a trained psychotherapist, and so he is careful on which details he discloses. The note was written by a British woman who transitioned to a man after being sexually abused as a child. It was only much later, the correspondent informed him, that they realised it was a terrible mistake. The decision to transition was an attempt to escape the trauma of the abuse. But at the time, no professional who assisted in the process had attempted...

[quote]Don Cheadle wears a “ support trans kids” t shirt on SNL last night

I DON'T GET IT. I think the most obvious parts of problems with the T propaganda are: 1. Saying kids are "trans" and 2. Men in women's sports (Men in women's bathrooms and changing rooms should be obvious, too, but they have silenced liberal/left women about that)

How does some kid who wants to wear whatever or play with whatever toy automatically make him or her the opposite sex? This is brain-dead sexist thinking with a very strong undercurrent of homophobia. And also "puberty blockers" and cutting off body parts, hormones, drugs are supposed to be ok for minors. How? How do supposedly hip and liberal actors, surrounded by gay people think this is ok? I do not get it.

This is going to be the lobotomy scandal of the future.

Don Cheadle is a well known homophobe. He was part of a film board that unanimously voted to defend a leader that donated to prop 8. It's not surprising that homphobes embrace the trans movement.

R381 absolutely. I said that exact thing here on DL. And that motherfucker received the Nobel Prize for it. So they can fuck off with the “well the DMS manual says it’s totally not a mental illness and don’t agree with Autogynophilia so there “.

It’s all politics, money, and creepy dangerous as fuck

Transing kids with dangerous chemicals is cruel child abuse!!

*DSM manual

CHeadle is a vile man ! We must be vocal on the trans lunacy. It’s dire situation. I feel it’s the biggest social issue out there. The T is truly demonic.

here's the idiot

This article claims that the IOC is going to cut the level of allowable testosterone in half but it's from April so I don't know if it's actually happening. I can't find anything about it posted after that. And, even with that, the minimum level will still be double the testosterone level found in the average woman. If they follow through with it, at least it's a start.

Can a person who went through puberty as a male who still has testicles suppress their testosterone that much? It doesn't help with larger bones, bigger muscles, more red blood cells, larger lungs, etc. because those are permanent. Hopefully sanity will soon reign.

It would be sanity if there were no men in women's sports. The IOC can go to hell.

"Rachel McKinnon" is trying to get Martina fired from broadcasting in sports

Let him just try it, R390. I think he's met his match!

I'd say Martina is the *teensiest* bit more influential than McKinnon, so she'll probably be like:

That t-shirt was a shot across the bow. Protect is another word rendered meaningless apparently.

R393 Oh, I presumed it mean protect children from their fucking insane parents and the agenda pushing tranny activists. As they are the danger to children

[quote] The next big push from the mainstream left is going to be the total normalization of childhood transition.

This true. This is so scary and Nazi. I can't believe it is happening.

"The next big push from the mainstream left is going to be the total normalization of childhood transition."

"This true. This is so scary and Nazi. I can't believe it is happening."

The irony in all of this is that parents might feel they have no choice but to suppress effeminate little boys' and tomboy little girls' behaviors in order to hide them from the trans police. Or risk their kids be taken away and "protected" (transitioned) without the parents' consent.

I don't think people are thinking that way. I think parents are doing it to their kids because it is in the media and celebrated, and/or they are sexist and homophobic.

FairPlayForWomen @fairplaywomen

1) Yesterday pm our spokeswoman @asknic was booked onto @bbc5live @StephenNolan late news show to discuss @Martina Navratilova's comments about trans participation in female sport. We were then disinvited after Rachel McKinnon publicly refused to participate if we were included.

R398, did McKinnon just get the whole segment to himself or did they cancel the whole thing?

The Julia Beck thread appears to be gone, so I'll put this here. It's an article on heroines Meghan Murphy and Julia Beck.

Could someone paste the whole article below - I think it is important to read.

I don't know R399

Nevermind, I found R401 on a reddit thread

"did McKinnon just get the whole segment to himself or did they cancel the whole thing?"

He got the whole segment. He's bragging about it on Twitter.

That's just insane, R404, but not surprising.

That is insane and disgusting.

A slap of the face of the intelligent, truthful organization. And women's rights.

In a rational world, they would have told McKinnon to fuck off and given the entire segment to the lesbians. Maybe other outlets will see what fools these people were played for because the fucker couldn't stop from gloating about it. Not likely but still hope.

The woman that started that group has a scientific background and is very articulate. I am so sick of this incel stuff.

started which group r408?

It's called Fair Play for Women, R409.

twitter

thanks r410.

i'm a guy (homo) and shocked at all this. I cant believe the McKinnon doesn't see the unfair advantages. They are trying to pretend biology is just another false 'ism'.

"The most farcical discussion has just taken place on @BBCRadio2 @theJeremyVine show. @elliscashmore saying the definition of male and female is in flux and we should abandon sex classes in sports altogether. Listen here starting 1.41

how can Rachel not know she looks and sounds like a dude, but with purple hair? How can you be so un-self-aware? bizarre.

It is mental illness

People are too polite to say it and rights will be taken away from women and gay people

This is the kind of thing that could destroy any chance of beating Trump in 2020. Do not think for a minute that the right isn't going to use this to their advantage. If trans are going to be allowed to compete as women in the Olympics that will bring world-wide attention to the matter and people who otherwise haven't been paying attention are going to NOTICE. And many are going to be outraged. The left will double down as usual and defend the trans "women". Ironically, these trannies could get Trump re-elected.

^^^^ definitely. I think it would be a concern that women might just choose not to vote if the only option is voting against their rights or voting Trump. The Democrats need to get with the program and start listening to their female voters.

And, along with extorting the Democratic party to the point where they end up alienating their own base of women, the trans will also be voting for Trump outright. They are white, straight males just like Bruce.

"how can Rachel not know she looks and sounds like a dude, but with purple hair? How can you be so un-self-aware? bizarre."

Even his gestures, like when he swipes at his nose... I mean, you can just totally tell that this person was socialized as a male from birth. But Rachel insists that dating as a "lesbian" isn't a problem for him, because he lets the women "get to know" him before he reveals the penile truth (as if ANY of them didn't know immediately). He's absolutely delusional.

Too bad there aren't any women's groups that stick up for women, or gay groups that fight for L&G. Such an attack and there is no one. I guess that is how it works, they are infiltrated and then they attack begins.

I guess in the US there is just WoLF

In the UK, the women are smart enough to realize they have to start all over again and organize

What woman would want to be with him?

A 'woke' straight woman r421. who maybe thinks of herself as bi. many famous AGP trans have handmaiden/GFs.

R419, it's probably especially difficult when he does that one gesture that all men seem to do without thought...adjust their junk! I can see him on a date with a woman who supposedly has no idea he's a dude rolling her eyes and looking for an escape route as he subtly grabs and shifts. This scene jumped to mind (starts at the :50 mark.)

OP is now posting links to alt-Right sits. Christ.

[quote] I should have said all-gender SINGLE STALL bathrooms are the way to go to solve the problem of trans people not being safe in men's rooms and not being welcome in women's rooms.

No. Not really. Women do things in bathrooms that aren't necessarily confined to peeing or shitting or changing tampons which you'd do in a stall. Women do other things adjust things like bras, pantyhose, actually change clothes, etc. out in the open in a bathroom. The stalls are too confining and sometimes not all that clean. I've even washed under my arms and applied deodorant. Those are not things I'd do in front of males. Women are comfortable in bathrooms as they are in women's changing rooms. It's just not all about stalls.

r425 the activities you describe are precisely why pervy autogynephile transwomen want entry. it's not enough to have a solitary safe space to pee. they demand access to where bio women are doing the things you list.

R25, by single stall I think that poster meant individual bathrooms. One person at a time, door locked. I wouldn't think a row of small single-occupancy bathrooms would be that much more expensive than community bathrooms. Wouldn't have to make them very big. Wouldn't have to put stalls in which would cover the cost of the additional doors and locks. Same number of sinks and toilets used in six individual bathrooms as in two regular multi-person bathrooms.

McKinnon is an attention whore who desperately wants to a media star. The clown kept trying to punch up and get into a twitter war with Martina, but she ignored this transbian. McKinnon is a third rate academic teaching gender studies at a third tier college in South Carolina.

The British feminists who dragged HRC's Sarah McBride are fierce.

Here, Julia Long grills Manroe Bergdorf.

We need to import the British feminist MO - they are on the offensive everywhere, as we should be.

Shes right. Big pharma has funded the trans wave along with George Soros.

Julia Long rocks. She is great. There is another clip where she said a nurse (working in Marin county) said that they were performing 4-6 double masectomies a day on young women because of the trans craze. This is truly Nazi stuff.

Tr*nsph*b** is a made-up prejudice that describes criticism of a made-up people. That's like being Naziphobic or Klanphobic.

I have a crush on Julia Long. 🥰

Me, too. K. Stock as well.

"Have any FtT's convicted of a crime ever insisted on being sent to the men's prison?"

No, because mens prisons are dangerous to all trans people, mtf or ftm. It would be far too dangerous to send me to a mens prison. After 3 years of hormones, I have lost most of my body strength and developed breasts and other female secondary characteristics. I have lived full time as a woman for over two years and have developed female mannerisms to the point that I pass all the time. It would be very dangerous for me in a men's prison. There is no doubt I would be raped and abused on a daily basis. At this point, I am no threat to natal female prisoners. The HRT has made it so I am impotent and sterile. I have zero interest in sexual relations with natal females. All I want at this point is to lose enough weight so I can have SRS and complete my transition. I dont want harm women, I AM a woman!!

There are numerous cases of T assaulting women in womens prisons. 90-95 keep their dick, others can use an object to act out their misogyny. It violates the internationally recognized human rights of women to be housed with male prisoners.

Many men who access womens rest rooms have assaulted women and girls or used or placed cameras. They do not have to pass or even wear earrings or lipstick, they can just claim to feel like a girl. Check out the itsafetish sub on Reddit, very informative.

90-95%

This is worth a read.

Do you have any CREDIBLE information? I am sorry but a subreddit called itsafetish is not credible. There have been very few, if any incidents of transgender women attacking natal women in bathrooms or in prisons. The numbers just arent there. Of course your personal bias on the subject is apparent. You do not consider transgender women to be women so you will search for information, credible or not to support your position. It is sad that you are allowing your fear and hatred to slander people who just want to live their lives authentically.

That link was not to give crime stats, obviously.

This link does.

Who is [ troll 5492 ] and why is he grayed out?

So in feminist Kara Dansky's mind... there are no FTMs making up a "women's right's movement"?

Sounds about right. Most things far left feminists do today are half assed.

I'm glad I've been a political independent for the past 20 some years & don't get tied to the extremes from both of our major "parties" (more like asylums).

R1 bigots can always find a home on the right. I guess they have found theirs.

Fuck you r442.

You don’t give a shit about women.

Transwomen are men.

Poor R425. She can't adjust her bra or put on deodorant in her home/car before going out in public. What would she do in towns under 1,000 people (around the world) that don't have public bathrooms of any kind?

R444 = typical man.

Since you have no clue what it’s like to be female, you have no say in who uses their restrooms.

It’s impossible to change sex.

Restrooms are segregated according to sex.

Transwomen are men.

Men don’t belong in women’s restrooms or sports team.

Just like [R425], I also need to adjust my bra, adjust my pantyhose or stockings or (gasp) add more deodorant. Trans women are women. We are not men. Heck, my Estrogen level is probably higher and my Testosterone level is probably lower than most natal women here. Last count my E was over 600 and my T was undetectable. I have lost so much body strength that I had to ask my roommate to open a jar last week. I also have no sex drive at all. I am impotent and sterile. I am more likely to be the victim of violence than the perpetrator of it. One asshole supposedly trans woman who raped women does not make the majority of trans women rapists, perverts, or whatever other dirty names you want to call us. 99.9% of us are non violent and should not be in a mans prison. I agree that the bad apples should be weeded out as no rapist should be allowed in a womans prison. I do believe that standards need to be adjusted to allow trans women to compete in womens sports as current policies are not working. As I said, trans women are women, we want to fight for womens rights along side you. Not against you,

[quote]As I said, trans women are women, we want to fight for womens rights along side you. Not against you,

Total and utter bullshit. Where are the trans voices speaking out against the transtapo. That's right - nowhere. You couldn't give a shit about real women.

There has been a real need for someone to say this...and sinister is right! Orwellian works too.

R447, you are no more female than Rachel Dolezal is black.

Show me one medical doctor who says it’s possible for humans to change sex.

You can’t switch your reproductive organs to their opposite.

No male will ever give birth. No male will ever menstruate. No male will ever know what it’s loke to have a vagina. Or budding breasts at early puberty.

I’m willing to wager that all of the sex slaves rescued last week in south Florida are female. No tranny will ever experience that fear, terror & abuse.

Males consume porn. Females are victimized by porn. I’m willing to wager that “transwomen” consume much much much more porn than women. Because “transwomen” are males.

No tranny will be raped & impregnated while in a coma for decades.

Even eldery women in nursing homes aren’t out of the woods. Rape occurs in nursing homes and nobody’s doing anything to stop it, including you, because nobody cares, including you.

Women don’t want you in their spaces. Ignoring them is more than just rude & disrespectful. It’s dangerous & harmful.

You, sir, are not a woman. Anyone born male will die male. I know you’re used to getting your own way, you being a man in a man’s world and all. But now is your opportunity to learn something new. Something that gays, lesbians & straight & bi women of all colors & backgrounds have always known: you don’t always get what you want. Sometimes you have to accept circumstances beyond your control. You can’t coerce free will. You can only accept that not everyone agrees with you.

You cannot force me to believe anything I don’t want to believe. Men are not women and never will be.

R449's link is shocking - even more shocking that it's coming from Amnesty International. Any historical accomplishment made by a women was actually made by a man. How anyone can deny that those claims are misogyny at it's worst is mindboggling.

@HelenaBrors

I was called ”trans-excluding” for writing an article about menstrual hygiene in developing countries without mentioning all the women who do not menstruate because they have penises.

It is so obviously insane, bullying, and woman-hating. It is quite revealing who is promoting this or doesn't care.

It is not just women being impacted, the legislative changes will also eliminate the legal basis for LGB rights and age of consent laws are also being rolled back. These changes are happening in Western countries, while in Muslim countries one can be jailed or killed for being LG but the state will loan citizens funds for SRS.

Yes, I agree. It is all very scary and most people (including LGB) do not know this is going on.

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 More Some lesbian and gay folk I speak dont share this dismissal of biological sex - if you cannot define sex how can you define sexual orientation?

Scotland

TIF on trial for transphobia.

Sued by Mermaids worker.

Judge incredulous.

Actually, it's a TIM, R458. Miranda Yardley, who was unfairly banned from Twitter.

Thanks for the correction, R459, I tend to get them mixed up. That the CPS took Miranda to court is astonishing.

Yeah, it's pretty scary when trans people are getting banned from Twitter for misgendering THEMSELVES and dragged into court by people who are not even trans!

It is a whole new level, R461. Thank God the judge was sane. Miranda got court costs too. Hopefully it has a bit of a deterrent effect.

Mermaids is a bit scary.

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‘Europe’s first jail in a jail’ for trans women

Britain is to create its first transgender “jail within a jail” in what may also be a first for Europe.

A unit housing only trans inmates will open this week at Downview prison near Sutton, south London, in a building previously named after Josephine Butler, a Victorian feminist.

Downview is a women’s jail, and one source reported “significant concern” among its 320 female prisoners at the arrival of male-bodied trans inmates. Almost half of trans prisoners are sex offenders, compared with 19% in the prison population as a whole. Prison governors and doctors say some sex criminals transition to get access to women.

However, the new trans wing is understood to be in a separate building within the prison perimeter, with an inner fence dividing it from the rest of the jail. The first three residents are due this week.

Andrea Albutt, president of the Prison Governors Association, said the success of the new unit would depend on how effectively the prison protected its biologically female inmates.

“They’re going to have to have some kinds of safeguards to make sure that a Karen White event doesn’t happen again,” she said. “That is the number one priority.”

White, born Stephen Wood, a convicted child sex abuser on remand for rape, was sent to a women’s prison after self-identifying as female, even though she still had her male genitalia.

Within weeks, she had sexually assaulted two women inmates. The case triggered a revision of prison guidelines, which said the “great majority” of trans prisoners should be allowed to “experience the system in the gender in which they identify”.

Edward Argar, the justice minister, has said the new policy would “strike the right balance between ensuring that all female prisoners are kept safe [and] transgender prisoners have their rights respected”.

The creation of a “third space” for trans inmates reflects the fact that they too can be at risk. One, Tara Hudson, who had lived as a woman for years but not legally changed her gender, was placed in a men’s jail, where she said she was treated “like an animal in a zoo”.

Mike Reynolds, until recently deputy chairman of Downview’s independent monitoring board, said he understood the new facility would be in the former Josephine Butler unit. It was previously used for female young offenders but has been emptied and renamed E wing.

The unit has 15 single cells and one two-bedded cell, Reynolds said. This is too small to hold the 139 prisoners recorded as trans, but almost enough for the estimated 20 trans prisoners who are housed in the women’s estate — raising the prospect that all women’s jails except Downview could be emptied of trans inmates.

A few American big-city jails have transgender wings, but it is believed that Downview’s could be the first in Europe. Italy considered introducing one but did not go ahead.

Nicola Williams, of Fair Play for Women, which has campaigned for reform, said she “cautiously welcomed” the move.

The Ministry of Justice said three transgender prisoners with gender recognition certificates would initially be housed in the new wing and would not have access to other offenders at the prison.

It said wider policy on trans prisoners was still in development and “no final decisions have been made”.

Seems like a good idea but a separate unit in a mens prison would be wiser. Doctors treating inmates would be familiar with male dosages, etc and there would not be a risk to female inmates.

Update: Cross-dressing Bathroom Voyeur Sentenced to Three Years

But, but, that NEVER happens!!! Eyeroll. From a post elsewhere, not mine:

Update re: Shawn Hallett case. Dressed in women’s clothes and makeup, Hallett was caught filming women in a South Carolina bathroom last summer.

At the time of his arrest, there was speculation that Hallett was part of some sort of right wing stunt, trying to make a point about bathroom bills.

Nope. Just a garden-variety pervert, willing to do what it takes to gain access to women’s private spaces. We have no idea how he “identifies”, whether he believes he is actually a woman or not. But it doesn’t matter- a woman in a bathroom heard a male voice, which caused her to be on guard. Her vigilance caused her to notice his hand holding a cellphone so it faced into her stall. She trusted her instincts and called the cops, and sure enough, he had video of her on his phone.

A disturbing component of this case is that Hallett was a carnival worker, who traveled all over the US South East and Texas. I doubt this was his first victim.

After the initial reporting on this case, there has been no media follow up. I learned that he plead guilty last month and was sentenced to three years, by checking South Carolina court records and the South Carolina DOC inmate search.

2018 report about the Shawn Hallet case described at R466,

Does anyone have a link to data on what percentage of MtFs keep their penises?

89% of trans"women" keep their male package, according to a 2015 survey of 28,000 transgenders by The National Center for Transgender Equality. It's on page 102 of the link, R469

The same link also has the stat. that 63% of trans"women" are gay, bi or pansexual i.e., biological men attracted to biological women.

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Great link, R471. The Equality Act has really raised awareness in the UK. It does not seem as though the Equality Act pending in the US has done the same. Completely unrelated legislation, like the anti-lynching bill, is starting to create gender identity as a protected class. There does not seem to be as much organizing in the US. It is clear why Gender Trender was targeted so aggressively, such a key source of info, eliminated when it was needed most.

Congresswomen Jackie Speier and Angie Craig read "I AM JAZZ" on the US House floor. Apparently the book was read this month for "Jazz & Friends National Day of School and Community Readings" and some schools also made it part of March's Women's History Month. WTF.

So Congress and schools across the US, just had a day to celebrate that a teenager, after years of very dangerous and expensive drugs, just got his micropenis made into a faux-clitoris, and his peritoneal lining made into a faux-vagina, on national TV. Which are now rotting, apparently.

Speier's twitter claims she's a "fearless fighter for women's equality" and "LGBTQ rights", but she's obviously too much of a dunce to notice that, with her carte blanch support of the Transgender lunacy, she's throwing women and gays, but especially gay children, like Jazz, who's been effectively castrated, under the bus.

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The WoLF women are the only ones who seem to get it in the US and are organized. They should find a way to do what the British women did, having talks in different cities.

The Transgender Lobby in the US has been unbelievably successful at passing stealth laws on the local/state level, R475.

The fucking Democrats in government are relying on their lbgTQ designated staffer (probably a tran themselves, or at least an ally) to steer them, so our lawmakers don't even know what they're endorsing when they bang on so enthusiastically about the Transgender Agenda.

If Americans knew what had already been passed, on a local level, there'd be hell to pay. If Americans wake up after the heinous Equality Act passes, we will have the GOP in power until Donnie Dump blows up the world. Because no one, outside of the blue-haired queer girls and the Cocks in Frocks themselves, is truly cool with a naked man sharing a shower with granny.

I think the athletic stuff is going to be the catalyst for Americans to wake up, and then, WoLF might have a point of entry, but right now WoLF is just a tiny, self-funded group of women fighting the Transgender Lobby, which has the weight of hundreds of millions of dollars, the media, the government, the medical-industrial complex, the $2.5 billion the pharmaceutical industry gives to Congress, the teachers unions, etc.. and ad nauseam, behind it.

WoLF needs help. We need to get behind WoLF in order to defeat the Transgender Lobby well before the 2020 elections. We (and the world) cannot afford another four years of the GOP and Donnie Fatso.

And British women should come again and explain it to people.

Too bad they didn't come to Canada before that crap was passed. Total censorship and brainwashing in Canada.

I want it to be fought in the US before it is passed. You are right, the Dems all have some trans advisor brainwashing them and controlling everything T-related. People on the Biden thread were saying "He was for gay rights" . Yeah well now he is for trans - a conflict with gay rights and women's rights (his foundation is "partnering" with a transing kids organization and he wrote an introduction for a book by a transactivist. AOC is pushing Mermaids. I just read Gavin Newsom appointed a trans as director of digital media in the governor’s office, the highest-ranking transgender appointee in the state’s history. I checked and all the Dem candidates are supporting this trans bill coming up.

The UK media is smarter - there were places where the gender-critical could get their message . Less likely in the US but it has to be tried. What about the adult human female t-shirts and poster. That is a good idea, too.

Wouldn't you know it, here's comes OP with its umpteenth hate screed, and me literally without any more F&Fs to give.

Don't worry, the massive backlash is coming.

The Gender Critical sub Reddit has blown up in the last year or so, from a few thousand posters to close to 28,000. It's adding a few hundred posters a week, which is encouraging.

(Gender critical feminists advocate that biological sex is immutable, however society should be accepting of everyone, i.e., if men want to wear dresses and glitter nails and become pole dancers, go for it, but no competing against women in sports, or colonizing women's intimate spaces.)

However, the new members of the GC sub Reddit seem to be mostly very young women who were propagandized by the educational system to be Lib Fems and trans allies, but who then had some innate sense that Lib feminism was a bunch of bullshit and most Trans were batshit crazy, and then somehow found their way to the Gender Critical sub Reddit.

These baby feminists are too young to know the system and how to fight it, but the good news is that older, 2nd Wave feminists are slowly waking up too, and some of them are veterans of other political battles, so might be able to show the way.

R479, but the backlash will also engulf the G and L. The stupidest fucking thing was letting the rest of the letters glom on.

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Another female athlete speaks out

Surprising, and telling, that this is being pushed in a rural area.

Emma Thompson is brain dead. Didn't she support Polanski, too? Anyway, typical brainwashed Guardian reader.

I don't recognize any of the other women, and I think some of them are trans (are men).

More Martina

R484 I think she once signed an open letter calling for an Israeli theatre troupe to be uninvited from a Shakespeare festival as well.

The piece that r483 posted is well worded and heartbreaking. I'm bookmarking it.

I HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH!!

Please copy and paste, R488, he has me blocked.

R489 Just this from RoboCyclist

Blocked means I cannot see the tweet, which is why I asked you to copy and paste the text. Another link still does not work.

Here are a few gems:

[Quote]These are all FACTS that I can back up with all of the latest scientific data.

[Quote]Evidence shows us that there is NO RELATIONSHIP between athletic performance and endogenous testosterone (there is a relationship between *exogenous* testosterone, though, which is why it's doping).

More:

[Quote]So Abigail Shrier falsely claims that she can cite endocrinologists who've published evidence that there's a persistent unfair advantage, due to testosterone, for trans women even after HRT.

[Quote]She's lying (or has deceived herself).

[Quote]No such research exists.

[Quote]Transphobes, and I'm sure Abigail, love to reference Alison Heather, a physiologist with NO PUBLISHED WORK ON TESTOSTERONE AND PERFORMANCE.

[Quote]...and all she's written are some BLOG POSTS. That is not published, peer-reviewed, scientific research.

[Quote]And this is where we are: people who claim that trans women have an unfair advantage can't produce any published, peer-reviewed research to back it up.

[Quote]They rely on "common sense," which is NOT an argument.

[Quote]If it's so obvious, why can't you show it w/ scientific research?

McKinnon is such a smug twat and yet he was absolutely nothing to be proud of and everything to be ashamed of.

Even if the testosterone levels of ‘transwomen’ were lowered to that of actual women, they would still have huge physical advantages. No amount of estrogren is going to undo all the major changes their bodies went through during puberty.

*yet he has

R493 Ha, a tranny talking about scientific peer reviewed research, now that is hilarious

According to this woman on the Tucker Carlson show, there is one study that show MtFs retain more muscle mass after going through treatment than cis-women.

I thought there was an aggressive push to limit research into such things, including into desisting and regret?

Brave civil rights heroines, or for a lot is it the f word?

The testosterone levels argument is being used as a decoy to deflect from the other arguments regarding FtM's musculature and bone density, compared to that of cis-females. We won't even bring logic or the ability to see the truth with one's own eyes into the mix.

There's going to come a point when trans-women declare it's their right as "women" to simulate pregnancy, and healthcare providers will have to indulge their fantasies and allow them full access to birthing rooms in hospitals and deliver their pretend babies. The healthcare industry has the ability to speak up and nip this in the bud before it spirals out of control. So far, they have chosen not to. Same goes for parents of daughters who were born biological females.

The Transtapo makes it quite difficult for anyone to speak up.

Female student athletes hoping for a scholarship cannot risk what is now termed hate speech.

In the UK, tweeting that a woman is an adult human female can get the police to your door.

Those who minimize the impact of the laws already in place or who scoff at the risks in speaking up need to pay close attention. Look at Martina, kicked off a board she had long served on, as a true LG sports hero. People have lost jobs and been arrested for speaking out. Parents have lost custody for raising concerns about a young teen having a double mastectomy, while a mother who takes her son to Thailand for castration at 16 is a hero and her advocacy group just received almost 200 million pounds from the government. They are the ones calling the shots now, with the authorities as their enforcers.

Yeah this is crazy Nazi stuff being encouraged at the highest levels of society - govt, education, health, media, law, ACLU, Amnesty, international govt orgs, UN, EU, etc

R501, then others need to take a page from their playbook. Why are they allowed to use hate speech to describe biological women (cis-women) and lesbian feminists (TERFS)? Women need to start filing criminal complaints any time a FtM posts either of these terms, and FtMs should be verbally reprimanded for saying either terms outloud. Biological men need to be more vocal as well. They should have come forward when that FtM assaulted that elderly feminist at the rally in England.

[quote]They should have come forward when that FtM assaulted that elderly feminist at the rally in England.

"Tara the TERF slayer" as the whiny "Tara Wolf" calls himself, was convicted of assault and fined 430 pounds.

"What a criminal conviction for a violent offence means is that Wolf can never work in a school or care setting, such as an old person’s home, and cannot work with other vulnerable groups. It also means travel restrictions, for example, not being able to enter the United States, and that he will be subject to immediate interview on arrival in many countries.

Afterwards, we were ordered by police to stay inside the court due to the danger posed by the trans activists outside, almost all of whom were members of Class War. Some held a banner with the words, “Squatters Against the Gendered Existent.” When I asked what it meant, they declined to explain."

Reporter's whole story at link.

Then there's Transgender activists, the Degenderettes ,and the display that the San Francisco PUBLIC library allowed them to put up, with baseball bats, one covered in barb wire, that Trans hoped to use to bash women who don't buy their bullshit.

Oh, BTW: I think that the Degenderette's public library exhibit @ R505 was in Nancy "Equality Act" Pelosi's district.

The Democrats need to get a handle on this trans shit because the Degenderette's exhibit alone could sink them in 2020.

Remember how they tried to erase gay history and replace it with made up stories centered on T? Which, sadly, many young people believe since the T spread their stories widely and loudly.

Welp, the history of women is fairing no better. Gotta wonder if the purported girlfriend is a blow up doll since the T is such a charmer.

Why do you rarely see FtMs getting riled up like this? Where is their guerrilla tactics response to the trans-exclusionary all boys network, or their violent insistence that they be let into male spaces? Show me the video of a transgender male giving an interview or on a panel spouting off that "some men have vaginas, deal with it."

Here, R508. There was a thread about this article recently.

Book prize nominee

This is a funny video (well, funny-sad I suppose...)

Pose actress Indya Moore has gone viral after tweeting that transgender women’s penises are “biologically female.” The trans star wrote on February 17 that “if a woman has a penis, her penis is a biologically female penis.”

@fairplaywomen

This @BBC video content was on air last night & is now on-line. It consists entirely of the view of a trans athlete saying they retain no physical advantage & that "I think they need to look at the science". Dr Williams was filmed but footage not used.WHY?

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Desisting and regrets

So, the "trans girls" at R515 are allowed to wear shorts, but the girls must remain sexual objects in their leotards. If that isn't proof that everyone who claims to see TIMs as women/girls actually see them as men/boys...

The Martina thread has been closed, surprised it lasted as long as it did

Well it is a men's rights movement, so naturally we're not allowed to have a thread in which most of us support the lesbian. Even though this is a gay site. The heterosexual male who says he's a lesbian takes precedence over the actual lesbian, who's done decades of work in advocating for LG B and T rights. Actual homosexual men and women don't count anymore. Except as T's camouflage. And so they can use our organizations and our donations to them, against us.

Everyone has been too polite.

From the article above...

"Women and girls travelling to official competitions have also been told they must share accommodation with boys and men who identify as female.

Controversially, the edict by British Gymnastics, which has a membership of more than 350,000 – the vast majority of whom are under 16 – bans coaches from telling parents their daughter is sharing a room with a boy who has declared themself as female."

R521, I've seen TRAs arguing on Twitter, "But lesbians have always shared rooms with other girls, and I don't hear you worrying about that! What's the difference?" Um, RAPE? PREGNANCY? Shove the difference up your woke ass!

What a fucking mess.

I wonder if the end game is to help usher in Sharia law in the West. Girls are being pulled out of activities now, one day will women and girls need male escorts for protection when leaving the home? Nothing seems too far fetched at this point. And it has happened so quickly! Including the criminalizing of criticizing it in the UK.

TRA authoritarianism is disturbing. I hate the way they've decided that because a few Western countries legislated to allow $ame-$ex marriage to boost their economies, we've got 'all the rights,' So now we're "the oppressive cis gays". As if we're not still being slaughtered all over the world , gay kids bashed, subjected to conversion therapy/harassment from themselves and other faith based bigots.

[quote]The Transtapo makes it quite difficult for anyone to speak up.

Including here at DL.

The average person is becoming more aware of this hate filled regressive lunacy. When the backlash comes - and it will - it will hit all of us. We need to take a public stand and say no, this is not about homosexuality it’s about mentally unstable fetishist men sticking it to the women they hate.

The females who allows these trannies on their sports teams can go to hell.

No, R528, these are mostly young girls who aren't equipped to handle the backlash from men and boys.

Point

Gallus Mag fans rejoice! She's back!

A lesbian reported harassment and being called a TERF to Twitter, attaching the link. The other account was suspended. Did pigs just fly?

Amy Dyess is good value. Well said, Amy.

Thanks for posting that r531 — I’ve been wondering when Gallus would resurface!

me, too, R534. Thanks, R531!

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So, any time your name is ordered to be placed on the sex offender registry, you can just change it and gender?

I would think that T would NOT want to be associate with crimes in public against women and children and would want these individuals to be accurately identified. Protecting pervs and skewing stats by calling them women (at least this article says T) makes it seem like that is the goal of the movement?

Trying to close loopholes re: indecent exposure, esp in the presence of children, T fighting back hard. How many pedos and fetishists see this movement as a free for all?

Strawman diversionary argument

Org corruption?

I will take Pervy Fetishist for $200 Alex!

Canada and its war on women is really troubling. Hope donors can make up the shortfall.

Glad the fact that T is incompatible with LG right and rights of women is getting more coverage.

LGBTQ+ does the LB NO favors.

Too bad it did not get into Planned Parenthood hosting the Cotton Ceiling conference in Toronto.

Thanks r539

Always good for a chuckle, sometimes if you did not laugh @ all this you might cry...

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So ridiculous, R546.

I'm not too happy that the AfterEllen thread was closed. Memoree is doing something really important for lesbians and ALL women, and for gay men, too! We should be able to talk about it.

Fine, United, I identify as having paid for a ticket. In first class. Around the world, with limitless stops. Can you identify, even for one year, as an airline who won't be in the news for treating your own customers in an appallingly manner, or having a plane-full of passengers crash because of poor maintenance?

What a good idea!

When you are too old for the school to indoctrinate you with readings of I am J@z.

For everyone who minimizes, saying, oh, there are hardly any of these people or I am gonna w/hold my $20 from HRC, wake up. Animal Farm, Brave New World and 1984 might provide helpful context, lol.

How about engaging with reason and argument, R478, instead of trying to close down debate.

Trans issues affect all LGBT people and the myriad cases cited above, once again prove there is need for discussion.

Could it just be that you haven't got any good arguments?

Seems the way things are headed, anyway...love Titania, so on point and funny.

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12:17 PM - 24 Mar 2019

Martina is still calling out "Rachel" McKinnon for his promotion of gay conversion therapy:

[quote] Cope or adjust?!? This is unreal. What needs to adjust is the asinine idea that lesbians need to adjust to a penis. Who that penis is attached is not the deciding factor here.

I love that she couldn't give a fuck if she gets called transphobic, she just stands up for what's right.

Awesome r553...thanks for sharing

Yay, thank goodness Martina knows about this bs now and it speaking out very clearly.

They have been granted so much social control, it is chilling.

Wow, good for those women for bringing this to light...the fact that black women are being silenced to even just talk about women’s issues...due to fear of violence!

If women aren’t safe around these men, if these men are so dangerous & violent...why are these men allowed in women’s restrooms, shelters & sports teams?????

Remember the baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire in the library exhibit?

Many schools still prohibit same sex couples at prom but are all in on T.

Oh I get it. She's a real boy because she pulls that face. That's what real boys do.

Washington Post erases women's history. This really deserves its own thread, but...

Jesus Christ, R561. I'm embarrassed for these people.

How truly sad r561.

I love the comments thought.

We shall overcome.

The Guardian did the same thing, about a doctore.

DOCTOR

where it that e come from?

Hodgers' Wiki page is a model of how to write an entry without using a single pronoun.

Wow, R561.

Loved this guy's comment in that Washington Post tweet thread:

Thank you so much for this. Just like you, I hate women too and relish in the idea of removing them from the past under some flimsy pretext. I have to say, using your style guide as your excuse is a masterstroke. Look forward to your next installment of rewriting history!

Yes I saw that r567 😆

Take a look at the replies to this tweet about a trans "female" athlete. They are overwhelmingly of the opinion that this is unfair.

Chase sez: "Watch and learn, gays!" Teen Vogue is at it again.

Because it is. How revolting that SCHOOLS support this and the media cheers it on.

R570, The propaganda is HEAVILY aimed at teens, children, women and L&G - those who will be most hurt by it.

Why is that garbage even in "Teen Vogue"?

Julia Beck, the lesbian kicked off of Baltimore's lgbTQ+++ committee for being a lesbian, is testifying before the House Judiciary Committee tomorrow about how the Equality Act will harm women.

Watch live at link: 10 AM Eastern, TOMORROW (or LATER THIS MORNING for some), Tuesday, April 2

Thanks, R573.

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Thanks R573. Julia was great but she did not have enough time to explain it in detail, especially to a bunch of dumb people who cannot understand women's or gay rights, apparently. I skipped around looking for Julia's parts and also ended up seeing some real idiots like the dumb woman what was defending it and that bitch of a Rep that was dismissive of Julia and ignored when she said it also had a negative effect re gay rights. Ugh she was repulsive.

By Rep I meant representative. I assume she was a Dem.

Haven't watched yet - who was the Rep who dissed Julia, R576?

Madeleine Dean, R578.

I saw stupid comments from Ted Lieu and the woman from the "National Women's Law Center" who was pushing T (obviously in conflict with women's rights)

PS the sponsor of the bill is Rep. Cicilline, David N. - a gay man.

(Women and gay men pushing this are too dumb for words).

Great article. I’m thinking about printing it out and mailing it to my Dem state reps.

Yes, great article

A lot of the Dems might throw it away when they see "National Review." Maybe combine it with something on the "Fair Play for Women" website or twitter.

R580, here is a response the article got:

Call your congress people and get in their faces. Gay people have to regain control of the narrative, because the Transgender Lobby have only gotten this far using gays, while they stab gays in the back.

The Democrats shot down provisions that would block transgenders from women's shelters and jails in the fucking VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT.

So women who have escaped a horrific situation, most probably caused by a male, will now have their last refuge invaded by males.

I'd love to know how trans advocates are going to argue to lawmakers that trans "women" need the right to expose their genitals (eg R538 )to girls and women in the female locker rooms. And why it's "transphobic" to expect them to behave like they're not just degenerate sex offenders. Why is that so difficult for these "trans" people?

R584, watch even a little bit of the Equality Act hearings - the Democrats don't care that women are going to be exposed to not just the ball sacks and little willies of the cocks in frocks, but any other male who wants to take a gander.

1 million registered male sex offenders in the US who might want to get a peak at naked ladies - Progressives don't care.

Spy cams turning toddlers bodies into porn - Dems don't care.

The Transgender Lobby, USING GAYS - because these lawmakers think they are being Gay-friendly when they do this shit - has successfully turned every women's space into free porn.

Yes, R585, those Dem politicians and braindead "progressives" can go to hell. As well as any ultra-stupid woman or gay man that supports this.

I have only watched the Julia parts but I am going to watch the whole thing.

I am also sick of all the stupid know-nothings that repeat all the T propaganda.

For all the morons who cry, "But they used to say gay men were pedophiles, too!" Did Greg Louganis wear a cheap, sparkly, ToysRUs-lookin' tutu for competition? Does Gus Kenworthy carry a Hello Kitty backpack? Did Brian Boitano sport over-sized barrettes as he skated? And don't give me "Johnny Weir," because Johnny does not dress like a three-year-old girl. Why? Because being gay is a sexual orientation, not a fetish. Those men are GAY.

What you see below is a straight man who fetishizes little girls. And he is completely protected as he parades that fetish and steals spots at events from the grown women he despises.

His fashion mentors seem to be Stephonknee...

...and Elliot Offen.

50 years ago they tried to physically stop women from running in the Boston Marathon. Now they just cheat then out of their places..

Finally...

"It feels like conversion therapy for gay children, say clinicians"

"Ex-NHS staff fear that homophobia is driving a surge in ‘transgender’ young people"

YES, R591!!! There is a paywall, so if anyone could post the article, I would be very grateful. TIA. But just the headline is awesome!

The only NHS gender clinic for children is risking a “live experiment” by sending hundreds for life-changing medical intervention without sufficient evidence of its long-term effects, experts have warned.

The Times has spoken to five clinicians who resigned from the service because of concerns over the treatment of vulnerable children who come to the clinic presenting as transgender.

They believe that some gay children struggling with their sexuality are being wrongly diagnosed as “transgender” by the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) clinic.

All five former staff were responsible for deciding which trans-identifying youngsters should be given hormone blockers to halt their sexual development. The vast majority of those who begin blockers go on to irreversible cross-sex hormones once they reach 16.

The NHS specialists warned that vulnerable children and teenagers had been sent down the path towards transition before experts had time to assess the causes of their gender confusion.

An Oxford professor has also raised concerns about the safety of drug therapies used by the clinic, saying the treatments were “supported by low-quality evidence, or in many cases no evidence at all”.

The number of young people referred to the clinic in north London has soared. In 2010 there were 94 referrals. By last year there were 2,519. The youngest was aged three. The five clinicians are among at least 18 clinical staff who have resigned over the past three years.

In an internal review, seen by The Times, the GIDS admitted it needed to improve its referral system and the way it obtained and recorded informed consent before young people were sent for life-changing medical intervention.

“I felt for the last two years what kept me in the job was the sense there was a huge number of children in danger. I was there to protect children from being damaged,” one clinician said.

“This experimental treatment is being done on not only children, but very vulnerable children,” another said.

All five said they believed that transgender charities such as Mermaids were having a “harmful” effect by allegedly promoting transition as a cure-all solution for confused adolescents. The charities deny the allegation.

The clinicians said they were often under pressure to refer young people for life-altering treatment, even though they did not always believe it was in the individual’s best clinical interests.

The clinic said it used licensed precocious puberty drugs whose long-term effects were known and insisted that its service was safe and that, “in the growing evidence internationally on the outcomes . . . there is little reported evidence of harm”. “We always place a young person’s wellbeing at the centre of our work,” it said.

The specialists expressed concern that many children decided they wanted to change gender after suffering homophobic bullying. Yet these young people were still referred down the route of hormone treatment, they claimed, without clinicians always exploring the possibility they may simply be gay. One clinician said that she feared the use of hormone therapy for such children could result in a scandal.

The GIDS denies the claims, saying it offers a “safe” service that recognises and respects the complexity of its cases.

Under the clinic’s rules, a young person who has already started puberty may be referred for hormone blockers. These are physically reversible, insofar as the body will continue to develop if they are discontinued, but the long-term effect on brain development is unknown. Irreversible cross-sex hormones can be prescribed from 16.

Carl Heneghan, director of the Centre of Evidence-based Medicine at the University of Oxford, said: “Given paucity of evidence, the off-label use of drugs [for outcomes not covered by the medicine’s licence] in gender dysphoria treatment largely means an unregulated live experiment on children.”

The service insisted that its internal review “did not identify any immediate issues in relation to patient safety or failings in the overall approach taken by the service”.

The GIDS said that time and care was taken at every stage to ensure that individuals grasped the potential consequences of their choices. It said that its staff had no preconceptions as to the appropriate treatment and that discussions around sexuality “now form a more explicit part of our approach to assessment and exploration”.

Addressing concerns over the scarcity of evidence, it added: “It is only in recent years that the number of young people attending specialist services worldwide has dramatically increased. Prior to this the numbers have been small and it has therefore been difficult to collect sufficient evidence to fully evaluate treatment pathways. We and other specialist services worldwide are actively engaged in research to better understand the characteristics and needs of young people attending specialist services.”

The Department of Health said that “the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust is subject to inspections, monitoring and regulation”.

Related thread with Times article text

https://www.datalounge.com/thread/23519791

The page r595 linked appears to have been deleted.

This cannot possibly remain suppressed for much longer. There are scores of young people who are realizing that they’ve been coerced into sterilization and permanent mutilation by a lie—the lie that says it’s possible to change sex. They’re mostly being silenced and ignored but their numbers are growing.

[quote]The youngest was aged three. The five clinicians are among at least 18 clinical staff who have resigned over the past three years.

I hope they’re called to testify for a public hearing.

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R593/R594 Thank you for posting the full article, it needs to be read by as many people as possible.

R596 The thread is still here.

The "Equality Act" is a trap. A huge anti-gay and anti-women nightmare set of laws.

I hope now it’s finally happening.

Years ago, I thought this would be over when transwomen demanded to use women’s spaces — I was certain the masses would resist the obvious delusion that transwomen are men.

I’m shocked it’s gone this far.

And I’m so grateful our message is finally about to actually get heard. After years of censorship & accusations of bigotry. Maybe finally people will wake up to biological truth ...that’s it’s impossible to change sex.

Nor should people even want to change sex. Anything a man does is masculine. Anything a woman does is feminine. If a man likes pink, then pink is manly. If a girl likes football, then football is for girls.

We want to abolish gender, not deny biological facts.

Indeed people will look back on this T craze as & marvel how society could have been so deluded & cruel. This will go down as a dark period in gay history...and in all history. Like the Salem Witch Burnings. McCarthyism. Jim Jones. Lobotomies.

So much suffering for nothing. It’s impossible to change sex. A male will never be female. You can’t switch from one set of reproductive organs to its opposite. Learn to accept your body as it is. Trust, it won’t get better with age.