Introducing Tiffany Welles!!

Lord, she was vapid..

Try east coast sophistication, bitch!, r1!

Puleaze She lasted one season and barely had any lines the first 5 or 6 episodes.

The season 4 intro with Miss Shelley Hack! Yay!

She was pretty.

Tiffany Welles could kick ass too!

Couldn't you just have bumped the Tiffany thread from just from a few weeks ago?

But since there's this thread, Tiffany was by far at her most entertaining in this episode as purse twirling street hooker who tough talks the abusive pimp. Too funny.

Poor Jaclyn has a massive camel toe in those tight pants. That couldn't have been comfortable.

I think DL talks about Shelley Hack more than any other cast member from CA. We are obsessed.

I know I am. Long live Tiffany Welles!

I noticed her as a pre-gay boy. I think she was acting like a "gay man", or maybe she is really lesbian. Who knows.

I always think how great it would have been if they'd gone with Barbara Bach. Or I wonder what would have happened if the show went another season without Smith. Poor Cheryl Ladd.. Tiffany never made any appearances again like Farrah, did she?

J'adore Tifanny.

Tiffany has the French streetwalker look down pat.

Today Tiff is driving an 18 wheeler.

Kim Basinger was runner-up to Cheryl to replace Farrah. They gave her a consolation prize the following season with a guest starring stint.

Kim appeared on the 1st season with Farrah.

DIdn't Cheryl and Jaclyn have any say in the matter? I mean, they just are suddenly told that their co-star has been fired and they didn't have ANY input?

R18 TV actors rarely have any say in anything. Only if they're producers as well. It's mostly up to the network.

She was the prettiest angel so long as she got to wear her Northeast clothes and hair. That she didn't get to do on Charlie's Angels. They just put her in the same shit style the other girls had and it looked horrible on her. She was her prettiest in the casual preppy look.

They just didn't dress the gals like this on Charlie's Angels.

and a glamour shot with all three of them. she's the one that clearly stands out in the photo.

R22 Cheryl looks awful in that pic - Shelly was beautiful

Tiff!

She was lovely to look at, but the walking and talking side of acting is what did her in.

In OP's clip she can't even sit down on the couch without looking like she really had to think about it hard.

I was just going to post what R26 did. She's more meant for stills.

R26 eats shit!

"Kidnapping for prostitution...white slavery."

The last few episodes she did she locked herself in her dressing room and did her own hair and makeup.

Shelley trashed in Charlie's Angels The Truth Behind the Rumors TV special. Her part starts 14:00 in.

Don’t believe everything you hear. Fools.

Did they not invite Shelly back when she had TWO more episodes to film before the season was over? That had to be rough..

Eat shit!

We call it doo doo.

Her hair was awful on CA - limp, lifeless. As if she was anorexic.

Exactly R36. That's why midway through she started doing her hair and makeup by herself. THAT'S what really pissed them off.

Shelley was stiff.

They recycled Farrah’s intro for Shelley with the just finished typing, oh here’s another stack bit.

That should’ve been her first clue.

It could have been much worse, r39.

God that Tanya Roberts is fucking awful.

[quote]I wonder what would have happened if the show went another season without Smith. Poor Cheryl Ladd.

I posted this before in another CA thread but I think a sixth season could've been interesting. Jaclyn would've left, Cheryl would've moved up to top billing followed by Tanya and I think a black actress joining the cast (which had been talked about for years) could've brought fresh attention to the show, though at that point such casting would've viewed as too gimmicky and perhaps backfired, so who knows.

Vapid is the word... and unnatural.

She seemed uncomfortable in her own skin.

R26, I'll never forget that clip that someone posted one time of Tiffany holding a gun. He entitled it..... Do you think Shelly Hack had ever held a gun before?

It was hysterical. I still laugh about it.

From her last episode.

Aaron Spelling said even before Season 5 started production, that it would probably be the last. He knew at that point Jaclyn was leaving and that the ratings were dropping quickly. They needed another Season to break the 100 episode mark to get a good syndication deal.

Did Shelly Hack REALLY do her hair and make-up herself the 2nd half of the season? She look SOO much better, she started on the show with an over teased frizzy mop. Poor thing never had a chance. I honestly can't believe the other girls didn't have any say when they decide to hire her.

I think they wanted Hack to flop, I mean releasing such an unflattering photo like this to the press wasn't going to get people enthused about her.

Lord, the fucking wrinkles around her eyes and that limp hair..

Nolan Miller is in that clip a bit. But in his Television Academy Foundation interview, he talked at length about how when Shelley Hack started, he LOVED her. He loving having such a beautiful woman to dress, and that she made all his creations look good. And for the first couple of weeks she was humble.

He said suddenly, she became very difficult and demanding. He laughed at how quickly it happened, and how different she suddenly became.

I think she does quite a great job in King of Comedy as Fred DeCordova's associate producer. She really captures that personality type- coldly professional. The way she blows off Rupert is perfectly done.

Here you go, r44.

r51's link also leads to this picture. Now there is an idea for the next angel. And she knows how to carry guns.

R49 Plus that veiny hand and she's barefoot. She has big, unattractive feet (with a weird scar on one) and has a bandage around her toes. So many unsightly things in that photo.

yes she did do her own hair and makeup later in her season. What that means though is she brought her own person in who knew her look and she had input in how they were doing it. She was a model since she was 14 and made a fortune doing it. She knew how to make herself look good. What she did with a lot of her modeling money was to pay for travel while she was still a teen and then pay for her over the top education. I've forgotten the wheres of her education but it's impressive. The travel that she did as a teen on her own is what impressed me the most. That was probably a big reason to why she didn't fit in. She probably didn't know how to chit chat about Bootsie Gumdrops in the cafeteria. I'm a Shelley Hack troll and love posting in her threads. Her look not fitting in was simply the biggest reason it didn't work out.

Now THAT is a porn name.

I love me some Shelley Hack!!

That's it, R51.

But, the front view is even more hilarious.

Hack was born in Greenwich, Connecticut. She graduated from Greenwich Academy, Smith College with a BA in History, and an MBA from NYIT. I guess maybe she could have helped Cheryl balance her checkbook in her dressing room.

As much as I like her I'd kill to see the Night Court tapes.

Shelley in her next show. With Assorted foxes. Cutter to Houston. At least they got her look.

Wait, WTF happened on Night Court?

Again, another part written with her in mind from the start. She originated the role of Christine that Markie Post would fill. They made a couple of episodes with her and it was so bad they let her go. I'd love to see the tapes of of Tiff being a comedic actress on a sitcom.

Shelley in her third TV series. Again the role written with her in mind from the start. Jack and Mike.

She

was

TERRIBLE

Again, Tiff in SeaQuest. Sort of an underwater STar Trek with Tiff as the captain. What was it with the producers, writers, and directors that all thought they were going to be the ones pulling the performance out of Shelley?

Tiffany Welles has always been kind of an inspiration to me throughout my life.

In the clip with Jaclyn and Cheryl obsessing that Tiffany has SEEN Charlie, Jaclyn's overacting and attempt at ad-libbing is laughable. Four seasons in, and still all she can do is pose and look troubled...

She had all these NEW parts AFTER being fired from "Charlies Angels?" What the fuck potential did they SEE in her?

I actually thought she did fine in “Jack & Mike.”

[quote] Again the role written with her in mind from the start. Jack and Mike.

With ME in mind, you mean, since that show was nothing but a Moonlighting wannabe.

Never did an “actress” have a more accurately descriptive last name than our Shelley.

OMG a Love Boat crossover!

They pulled out all the stops.

A Starsky and Hutch crossover would’ve been better, or all three shows at once !

R68 She might have had a good and aggressive agent who really pushed her.

Someone has been so kind to upload episodes of Jack and Mike starring our Shelley.

I've begun to suspect that the poster who keeps starting Shelley Hack/Tiffany Welles threads and then keeps posting in them can be no one else than Shelley herself...because who the eff else would care?

J'adore Tiffany Welles.

R75 Shelley/Tiffany has seemed to picked up fans over the years, and although a smallish group, seem to be very vocal online. See the various CA sites/forums and youtube. She was not very popular when the she was airing at the time. People Magazine noted she came in dead last on their annual poll for TV stars at the time.

I am watching an episode on MeTV. I had not realized that Shelley was taller than Jaclyn. Robert englund is in this one.

You must be watching the "Disco Angels" episode - I think he plays Freddy? Cheryl does a roller disco routine. Tiffany looked awful, that frizzy hair.I think she wore over-alls? Awful

R79 - Harrigan’s Angel

“The Angels team up with alcoholic private eye Harrigan to investigate the robbery of an electronics plant. Kris takes a liking to the old man and tries to get him back on track.”

I think “Disco Angels” featured Rene Auberjonois.

Rene was in Angels on Skates.

Who was in Angels on the Toilet?

Margo the tranny was.

Yes I think Zalman King was in “Disco Angels”

also from a doing her own hair episode

Is this Margo the tranny?

and one where she didn't do her own thing

Oh my^

This is hysterical. A hyper intelligent, independent, worldly Shelley Hack sitting through an interview in Nebraska on one of those junkets they do. The interviewer is like a drunken, country cousin of Edith Prickley.

Season 4 was weak because it was mostly solo Angel episodes, but that wasn’t Shelley’s fault.

One of the all time best episodes was “Angel Hunt” which had all 3 Angels stranded on an island and hunted by a man who has a beef with Charlie (a plot that the first Drew Barrymore film stole from!) And Shelley had an action scene that this gayling re-enacted in the privacy of my room on several occasions!

The bad guy in that scene was a total stud.

He looked like a 70s porn actor. I bet he had a big ol dick.

I thought Shelley became a better actress after Charlie's Angels. She was very good in both the first The Stepfather film and one of the best episodes in HBO's Tales From the Crypt.

R90, great clip.

Shelley contradicts almost everything the interviewer says.

Throw her a bone, Tiffany. Geez!

(And the interviewer needs to give Shelley some breathing room. Boy, those chairs were close together.)

R91, I agree that that was a very good episode but always felt that scene you posted where the guy knocks out Tiffany and she disappears was just another gimmick cooked up by the writers (on orders from the producers) to cut down on Shelley Hack's screen time and focus most of the episode on Cheryl and Jaclyn.

Apparently the first time Jaclyn Smith met Shelley Hack on the set of Angels she turned to Cheryl Ladd within earshot of Shelley and said, 'Didn't we just do a TRANSVESTITE episode?'

Shelley spoke about that interview at R90 much later and spoke about how after the camera stopped rolling the woman--whose breadth reeked of gin--asked her if she'd ever experimented with a woman and then proceeded to mime scissors on each hand using her index and middle fingers and then grind them against each other.

I'm the vajayjay coloring book Kim bought for Kris for Valentine's Day.

R97 I wonder if she took acting lessons like Aaron Spelling asked her to do? Boy, that had to be embarrassing for her. She did improve a little later on in the season when they gave her a little more to do. Less stiff in general.

Studying acting with some good acting teachers is never a bad idea. Farrah Fawcett went to NY and studied at HB Studio in the early 80s and managed to turn her career around and be taken seriously as an actress. Of course she had more "name value" going for her that Shelley did to get a big showy roles to prove herself.

R95 Funny you should mention The Stepfather! I just watched it for the first time this past weekend. A bit off topic, and I realize the 80s were a different time, but I was FLOORED when they showed the 15 year old daughter taking a shower with full on ass and tits shots!! Completely gratuitous and unnecessary, it lent nothing to the scene. Shelley was good in it though. Terry O'Quinn was positively terrifying.

The episode in the old fashioned dance club was so embarrassing for poor Tiffany. One scene they say she is in the bathroom. It has no payoff. There is no scene of her speaking with someone there or picking up on a clue on her way back. They just talk without her. No reason she could not be in the scene.

R103, but when Kelly said that Tiffany was in the bathroom didn't she gesture with two fingers and mouth the words, 'Number two'?

I don’t excrete waste matter and I don’t care for people who do.

Shelley Hack was just good.

r98, I find that very hard to believe. By all accounts, Jaclyn Smith is a class act.

Jaclyn Smith is thrice divorced Trump fan. So she's not all that classy.

.... and what's your take on Kate Jackson?

She got some of this D

Sabrina Duncan was too lesbian for me. Tiffany Welles was feminine.

Jaclyn may have been fine but Kelly Garrett was a downright cunt to Tiffany and very likely the reason our Tiff fled to Boston!

r133, I did get quite the laugh during that Angel Hunt episode when Tiffany got knocked out by the hunter and Kris wanted to go save her but Kelly was like 'fuck that bitch we need to go NOW'. LOL!!!!

lol r114

Did they explain why Tiffany had left the Townsend Agency after one year?

R114, me, too! Every time I think about that episode, that's the first scene that comes to mind.

Charlie told Bos, Kelly and Kris that Tiff was still in Boston and going to stay there a few more months. She was never mentioned again. She disappeared from the Townsend agency like Lucille Bremer left MGM and no one minded.

“Which of you Angels just let out a silent one?”

Did Farrah ever show up during the Julie Rogers season?

I forgot she and the Tifster were in some of the same episodes.

No, IIRC, Farrah's appearances ended during the Shelley Hack season.

Nowadays they would make it a season-long story arch when an angel leaves. In episode one, she mysteriously disappears. It turns out she has been investigating a cold case. Her brutally tortured body would be found no sooner than episode six or even ten.

Tiffany Welles......WHAT A PIECE OF SHIT!

I still watch the CA reruns. On MeTV they're currently showing the Tiffany Wells season. OMG! That episode where Tiffany and Kelly had to go undercover as hookers was hysterical. Shelley was so damn campy, strutting down that sidewalk, swinging that purse, and chewing gum like a cow. The editor for that episode must've been drunk or on coke because there were jump cuts all over the place. One sudden close up in particular showed Shelley with this campy shit eating grin. I was DONE! LOL!!!

R124 That's by far my favorite Shelley/Tiffany episode. Then was her hilarious tough talking to the pimp. "Well, I was talkin' to you!"

r125, She had quite the sass in that episode. LOL!!!

[quote]Who was in Angels on the Toilet?

Veronica Moser

Shelley Hack was good. She was just good..

R114 They also never even try to find her body. To me the funny part of this episode is that at the end, once he finds out they are all alive, Charlie turns his boat around and leaves them on the island with the big cats. It was more important they didn't see his face then their safety.

Shelley was never given a chance. It should have been Tiff who was secretly injected with heroin or who had to infiltrate a women’s prison on her own!

They did treat her poorly. Even in the Angel Hunt episode. She's captured and tied up in the cabin. She doesn't even get to escape and capture the last guy. She just lies there until Kris and Kelly come in.

this world was never meant for one as beautiful as Tiff

Now my curiosity is piqued. Where are those NIGHT COURT eps?

In Lee Radziwell's safety deposit box.

R133 Probably in a vault somewhere. They've never been shown anywhere. I think she filmed two episodes, tops. Hack said they changed her character's personality between episodes and she didn't like the change at all. Obviously the producers didn't like her take on the new version of role, so she left and they recast.

I think the Angels Go Truckin' episode is particularly bad. This was before the producers realized that Tiff was not cutting it with viewers, so she has some things to do in the episode. It's clear they wanted her in the Sabrina Duncan mode (someone who can play campy undercover characters).

I just find it funny how they took someone who was one of the most glamorous models for years and made her look like a frazzled frau managing too many carpools.

They made her hair looks so shitty.

Well Shelley didn't help much when was hunched over at times also. With her being a model, you'd think she'd have better posture.

This thread is LOL funny.

She also was scary skinny.

Daughter Rose.

R141- Yes.

I just scratched my asshole then smelled it

I love Tiffany.

But I think Shelley is a bit of a bitch.

She was a hack.

R114, it's as if you did a ghetto translation lol.

As far as I'm concerned Tiffany Welles was a big improvement over Sabrina Duncan who was too manish for my tastes.

I remember not really caring for her much in the original episodes. Maybe it was just about me being a moody teen. I lover her now in the MeTV reruns. I lover her look and I think she did a good job. I have a soft spot in my heart for most of the actors that come in as replacements, it's just a tough position to be in.

I do love Tiffany but I can admit Shelly Hack can't act and is very stiff, which I find endearing. But didn't they screen test her. They had to have seen it. Watching these episodes again, I think Cheryl Ladd was the best actress of the bunch, given the material. I also think Farrah is better in the episodes she was forced to come back to do then in her season.

r150, I do think Kate Jackson was the best in terms of acting but Cheryl Ladd was very good. One of the reasons I took to Cheryl so fast coming in behind Farrah leaving and all the tea spilt from that was her acting ability. Looking at the reruns, I'm reminded of how natural she was. I do agree that Farrah did seem better in the episodes she was forced to do and as we saw, she became an even better actress after that. I mean The Burning Bed. Wow! Jaclyn Smith has always been my favorite angel. Acting wise, she wasn't consistent but she could pull it out sometimes. I really thought her forced heroin addiction episode was her best work.

Kate was good but overall I think Cheryl really captured the spirit of the show and made it work. Cheryl's at the Chiller Theatre autograph show in NJ in April. Can't wait.

I believe that Dierdre Hall served as Jaclyn's acting coach for quite some time and vice-versa. They would do scenes together from Shakespeare, Ibsen and Chekov and then afterward give each other notes.

Cheryl was the best because she was enjoying what she was doing and the check she was getting out of it. She landed in a pot of jam and she knew it. It came through.

It could have been Marie Osmond as Tiffany!

"Mr. Pipkin?"

she was just so good in her modeling stills. too bad it didn't come out in charlie's angels.

she was also so damn cute when she was a young model.

Fierce!

OMG, that hooker episode had everything.

Scary 70s burned actor who was all over TV back then. Annoying Sissy Spacek clone actresss who had already been on CA in the football episode. None of the sharp detectives realizing who Rose is. Madlyn Rhue Jaclyn and Tiff as streetwalkers.

Nancy Fox - Jaclyn’s bestie and recurring CA guest star, r160.

Tiffany twirling her purse around, but ugh, that ugly top. Jaclyn and hot pink camel toe.

She looks underfed.

Sorry but in my opinion, Shelley gets high marks for that walk at R162. Girlfriend was WORKING IT. Don't see anything wrong with her in that scene.

As for Tiffany's predecessor, here are 8 things you might not know about Kate Jackson:

#9 - She is fucking NUTS.

Have there been any updates on crazy cat lady Kate? She really hasn't been working or in the public eye at all in several years. It's wild when you think of what a big star she was and that she was a veteran of 3 major series (Rookies, Angels, Scarecrow) plus plenty of other high profile work.

"Mr. Pumpkin?"

Kate is still studying her script for Kramer vs. Kramer. Kate's big problem is she was one of those who could never enjoy her success. Not even when she was "best friends" with Olivia Newton John.

In addition to her debut episode of CA, Shelley was an actual guest star on “The Love Boat”. She was actually quite funny, playing a scientist who pretends to be an airhead in order to get men interested in her.

R167 She was snapped by paparazzi as recently as 2 years ago looking thin and drawn. Tabloids claimed she has/had a pain pill addiction and is a hoarder. She had to sell her nice house and move into smaller place due to money problems.

As much as she worked from the 70s through the 90s, she should be getting a nice pension from SAG. Even if she blew all the money she made of the years, that pension would keep a roof over her head and fed at least.

If by blew you mean Andrew Stevens stealing it all.....LOL. Lesbian got taken in by some pretty dick.

And Shelley is the only Angel to ever appear in a film that won the Oscar for Best Picture. "I have no opinions..."

Many of us at DL still cherish the unauthorized quote from his cool mom, Stella Stevens, when Andrew began his acting career. Sage advice: "You're not very talented so you'd better learn to suck dick."

I wish there was video of him taking her advice!

BTW, “The Seduction” comes out on Blu Ray in May!!!

Maybe she saw this before saying it.

R39, I agree and they cut away just as the guy's arm (the guy carrying the stack) gets in the way; awful editing.

R39, R177 At least she didn't have to balance a book on her head or run on a janky treadmill like I had to.

The original and the Tiffany version openings were the least clunky. Once they got into two went to LA, one in SF, I was like why wasn't Kris in LA, too? Having them spread out made the most sense, but the third version! Yikes! "The other to a top school for modeling...and the each reaped the blah blah...."

I do think that shot of Jaclyn Smith turning her head around in the opening is such a classic shot; what a beauty!

My favorite angel was Sabrina. Kate was really the only one who could act.

I was secretly attending the prestigious police academy in SF, unbeknownst to big sister Jill who would not have approved. The original three girls went to the Steve Guttenberg location, lol!

"Mr. Pidkin?"

"I do think that shot of Jaclyn Smith turning her head around in the opening is such a classic shot; what a beauty!"

r179, that shot is ICONIC! I was a fan of CA during it's 5 year run and watch the MeTV reruns on an almost daily basis. That shot never fails to give me life. Also, watching it in the context of the episode is even better. Kelly gives a sharp elbow to the ribs of a deadly masseuse who tried to sneak up on her, does the iconic hair flip in that classic closeup, then says "I hope you liked your massage Inga." Season 1, Episode 6 - The Killing Kind. One of my favorites.

Oh, it was episode 6, R182? Interesting. I'd always thought it came out of the pilot.

And you're right, it never gets old.

Tiff's tits

CLASSIC!

Yeah, she was definitely one of the world's most beautiful at that point.

The other MeTV article says the first season Kate got 10k per episode, while Farrah and Jaclyn got 5k.

She was flat as a board

R188 Most TV stars didn't get paid much back then. Especially on a new series. So, not far fetched. It makes sense Kate made more because she was only one who was really known at that time. Farrah was only known as Lee Majors wife and unproven and Jaclyn was a total unknown.

Tanya Roberts supposedly made $12,000 an episode during the last seasons. I'm sure Jaclyn and Cheryl were making considerable more than she was,

[quote]r3 Puleaze Hack lasted one season and barely had any lines the first 5 or 6 episodes.

Well, Mr. Smarty...she had Ladd and fuckin' little Miss Butter-Wouldn't-Melt-in-Her-Mouth Smith gunning for her on the set...getting her lines and best bits of business cut right out from under her. They were threatened to the [italic]core[/italic] by a REAL thespienne.

Kate Jackson also wanted to go down in the annals as THE actress from the series, so she was sure as ALL hell pulling Spelling's strings from the sidelines.

Probably had some serious dirt on him. [bold]MeToo[bold] (?)

[quote]r189 She was flat as a board

Well, she was a top model.

Some stars don't need silicone!

while I didn't buy poor Jaclyn in the 'thugs hook Kelly on cocaine' episode, and I thought Kate was the only one who could pull off playing an undercover character -- 'I want that baby, John - see that I get it' or the naïve fake Janet LeMarr (sp?) in the pilot -- I did think Jaclyn had occasional really solid moments like cracking to the lesbian matron in Angels in Chains 'how long has it been since you've been sprayed?'

I think Spelling said he'd give each of the first four angels a million each if three of them would agree to a reunion movie. I wish that had happened.

Shelley did have nice legs though.

R193, was that after Farrah had gone from one of the world's most iconic beauties to crunchy haired dipstick?

I think it's refreshing Shelley doesn't have a face full of fillers and botox, but if she'd do something about those eye bags, she's look great.

R193 Kate and Farrah never wanted to do it. Jaclyn was game and I'm sure Cheryl would've too (and she was very popular with most of the fans of the show, it's too bad they discounted her). They didn't even seem to consider Shelley or Tanya at all. I think Tanya would've done it for sure. But they weren't interested in any other combo.

February photo of Cheryl and Jaclyn. Cheryl looks like she just returned from an undercover mission impersonating the villain’s executive assistant.

r196, time is cruel to the face.

R185, those are Kate Jackson's arms

Shelley had the most versatile of the angels' looks. And was, truth be told, probably the most psychologically sound (?)

Husband.

vs Husband

Damn, that's scary, R196.

Tanya Roberts really did have the best body of the bunch, as far as that goes.

OMG R158

That pic is lol horrible.

Tanya Roberts was a disgusting, odd mix of ghetto and trailer trash.

Cheryl looks damn good there.

Tanya also had the worst intro. They had her running on the K Mart treadmill. I don't even remember what her name was on the show. I just thought she was not angel material. She had better tits than Tiff though.

[quote]r206 OMG [R158] that pic is lol horrible.

Look, if it's horrible clothes and regretable hairstyling you want...

Kate Jackson would have been the prettiest if she had kept her long hair.

"Mr. Pimpnik?"

R209, JULIE ROGERS!

All the angels were (obviously) beautiful, but it's also notable that NONE of them ever REALLY set the screen on fire, acting wise.

Compare them to Sharon Stone in [italic]Casino,[/italic] who somehow, even though she was discovered as a de rigueur blonde model bimbo, tore it up as Ginger. It really is a remarkable performance, made up of many varied scenes and moods.

But, you know, a good script and director can help you get there.

I’m not gonna compare the CA women to fucking Sharon Stone in Casino!

[bold]#BecauseYouCAN'T[/bold]

I don't even particularly like her, but Stone is the real deal in that movie, acting wise.

It's like she acts with her (non-existant) soul.

Okay, Sharon, get out of this Charlie Angels thread.

Go to the zoo or something.

Go to the Gambino thread Sharon. You're no angel.

I remember hating that haunted house episode, r213, because of the ending.

At the end of the episode, the team is back at the agency recapping all of the events that occurred at the haunted house. Bosley, typical as ever, offers his skepticism that the house was actually haunted. Suddenly his desk starts rollicking violently to suggest the ghost is not happy at his comments! Does anyone freak out? No, the Angels start laughing at Bosley! Freeze frame to end credits.

Even the ten year old me did a major eye roll at that.

Tanya’s tits look weird at r209. I think Cheryl probably had the best body.

Tanya was wonderful on That 70s show.

Watching the episodes on MeTv, I was wondering about the Tiffany segment of the opening. Does anyone know if that was the original one for her ? It contains scenes from "Angel Hunt" and "Angels on Campus" that were from the middle of the season. I didn't think they shot that many in advance to have those scenes ready for the premiere.

To say nothing of the scene with all the dancing "ghosts" that Tiffany sees, R221. All this highly trained private eye had to do was touch one to tell that they were flesh and blood and the jig would be up. But does this walking rugburn do it? NOPE.

Ladies and gentlemen: I'd like to introduce my asshole....

I could never figure out if the problem was Hack couldn't act or if it was her God-given odd, breathy voice and too big smile and odd facial expressions. But there was never any exciting or memorable moment, involving her, from that entire season.

That’s your opinion r227, not mine.

R224 They initially had one different shot of her in the first half of the first season, then they changed it midway though. That one is the one that was shown in syndication and on the DVD's.

Here's the original opening that aired for the first half of the season. It bad quality since it's from an ancient VHS or BETA tape.

Her hair was styled like shit

I always wanted to give her a hot oil treatment.

My favorite show open evah! The theme song! The Jaclyn Smith hair flip! The Farrah smile! The Kate Jackson laugh! The Cheryl Ladd bikini, which seemed racy for it's time. This young man loved the glamour (not the girls)!

The best part of the show, and it always made me laugh, was Sabrina in the weekly car chase. She would either be chasing some V8 land barge or be chased by some V8 land barge. She always held her own IN HER FUCKING PINTO! Not just a Pinto. AN ORANGE PINTO.

I wish Zora would have beat the crap out of Tiffany instead of poor little Kris.

The Angels looked their worse in Season 4. Cheryl really aged after seasons 2 and 3. She was still an attractive woman but no longer the cute young thing she was when she joined the show. I’m not sure if it was her hairstyle or bad makeup. She look better in Season 5, though. Jaclyn was full on soccer mom in season 4. And Tiffany and that unfortunate hair crimp!

Did JS gain weight in season 4?

Season 2 Kris

Season 4 Kris

Shelley looked good here; Jaclyn and Cheryl not so much.

[quote]r240 Shelley looked good ... Jaclyn and Cheryl not so much.

By then those other two were exhausted from the long hours. Whereas Shelley was fresh meat, and hungry.

She wiped the floor with them.

Tons of promo pics for Season 4, I actually think they had high hopes for Tiffany Welles.

And why not? SHE WAS A GODDESS!

Till those jealous harpies Cheryl and Jackie tied a tin can to her tail and ran her off the show.

Cheryl and Jaclyn didn't have that much power.

She wasn't very well liked by viewers (especially at the time) had pissed people off behind the scenes and the ratings were dropping fast. Honestly she wasn't the only reason for the drop, but she got most of the blame.

I think they underestimated how important Kate was to the show. She brought some seriousness and legitimacy that kept the show balanced. But I think Season 3 was really when the show started it's decline. There were some bad episodes that Season.

Kate had the best voice on the show.

I didn't like how the producers tried unsuccessfully to force lesbianism down our throats with Sabrina Duncan for a while.

R229 Thanks fot that. I guess maybe "Angel Hunt" was shot earlier and held off airing until later in the season.

Speaking of opening credits, does anyone know what episode that first shot of Cheryl running down the hill is from ? I can't remember ever seeing it in an episode.

One problem with Tiffany is that she was more of a Kelly than a Sabrina. The show needed a Sabrina.

Today starts poor Tiff's last episode (2 parter) where she has the indignity of being in an episode where a guy falls in love with 2 angels and she's not one of them. And then at the end, Kelly and Kris both quit but it's poor Tiffany who doesn't come back. I remember as a kid knowing she wasn't coming back when the episode aired. I thought they were going to kill her off when that bulldozer was going to drop the bricks on her.

r249, you didn't know shit as a kid.

Sorry to disappoint you but it was public knowledge she wasn't coming back before the season was over.

well i'm not talking about the public. i'm talking about you.

Thanks for reminding me that as much fun as this place can be, there are always assholes lurking around

R248 They don't always shoot episodes in the order they air. For example, Cheryl Ladd's first episode taped was actually Circus of Terror.

really, r254?

R255 Yes, Cheryl herself said that was the first one she taped. A bit odd since it was 5th episode that aired that Season.

R256 True but "Angel Hunt" was the 11th episode plus one of the better ones, I'm surprised they sat on it for so long.

Smith got pregnant almost immediately after ANGELS was over. She was 35 when the series finished, which is very different from 35 now. She maintained a bikini body right up to the end of the series, with those S5 eps shot in Hawaii, but she does tend to be much more covered up in her "everyday" costumes from later seasons: full sleeves, blouses up to the neck. And you have to love Kelly's habit of dispensing random beatdowns in S5.

The last episode aired in June 1981 and Smith had her first child in 1982 at age 36--which was late to be having a first child, back then--and another in 1985 at 40.

One big problem according to Leonard Goldberg is that the show was doing the same thing in S5 as it was doing in S1, it didn't really change, and they simply ran out of logical, creative milieus to put the angels into. The Hawaii location shift only helped for a while (HAWAII FIVE-O had been canceled and they wanted to use that location facility but ended up using it for only 7 eps), but then they were back at the office for the end of the season. Also, the timeslot kept changing in S5.

The hours on the series were really long, and several actors who guested on the show have commented that they would shoot really fast, and on film, which was costly. They'd even shoot rehearsal sometimes just to get it done. Whether that was a case of no time or not caring, who knows?

It is remarkable when you watch the series today how much of the exteriors are on location, and not just outside on the backlot. The interiors are studio sets almost always, but the workweek had to be grueling with the location travel, the occasional learning of special skills, plus all the PR and career maintenance. The angels were everywhere back then.

Also there's a real decline in script quality, even by CA standards, in S4 and a feeling of repetitiveness sets in. So many episodes similar to previous ones. So many friends of the angels engaged or married to bad men.

R257 It was one of the better episodes that Season. Strange they didn't air until after the November sweeps. They should've bumped Angels on Skates in favor for Angel Hunt.

R258 They should've stayed in Hawaii permanently for Season 5. It freshened up the show some and the Hawaiian episodes were fun. Most of the episodes after returning to the office were lackluster or total duds.

Does anyone have Bea Arthur’s screen test for CA? I thought that she was considered for a replacement for Kate.

God'll get you for that R260

Semi recent pic of Kate.

I've told this story before but I had a friend who worked in the proximity of the CA world back in the day, and the original plan was to replace Kate Jackson, with Sada Thompson of Family. Sada had a bit of celebrity at that time because of the tv show family, so they shot a series of scenes with just her as Angel Lorraine...I forget whether she was supposed to be Sabrina's mother or not. Anyway, in the end the powers that be, nixed the idea, primarily because Thompson didn't like the wardrobe she was stuck with: twin sets, jeans and pumps, nor did she like all the running she had to do (in pumps, no less!). Also, there was a lot of unexpected sexual tension between Angel Lorraine and Bosley which they thought would throw off the dynamic of the show so they took the safer route and hired Shelley Hack.

Hack excited absolutely NO ONE..... except the pathetic OP.

She was a complete and utter snooze(in looks and personality).

Now, look here Tizzie Lish, R263

I'm surprised they let her stay the entire season, they should have hired another Angel, and transitioned Shelly out the fucking door

I'm a HUGE Kate Jackson fan. She can act and she would have had a totally different career had she done Kramer.

That said, I liked Shelley Hack. They were afraid to give her a chance and by the time they did it was over.

I never could stand to watch any of her episodes, so please tell me that Tiff drowned when that hottie knocked her cold.

A piece of cardboard has more warmth than Shelley Hack. I don't know what the fuck the producers were thinking. They nailed it with Ladd and then colossally bungled it with Hack and Roberts.

Shelley was a beautiful woman in that WASP sort of way...but a terrible, terrible actress. But it wasn’t as if Jaclyn and Cheryl were Mrs. Patrick Campbell. Especially Jaclyn. How she got hired for all of those TV movies and miniseries is jaw dropping. And Cheryl Ladd as Grace Kelly? 🙄🙄🙄🙄

R269 To be honest, it's very hard to replace a popular actor with someone new and it flops more often than succeeding. They got very lucky with Cheryl. She was a great fit for the show and fans accepted her immediately.

R270 Jaclyn was very popular among a diverse group of people. Back in the 80s, she had one of the highest "Q Scores" on television. That's why she kept getting so much TV work. I'd guess Cheryl's was fairly good also. In a People Magazine 1988 Charlie's Angels retrospective, they quoted an anonymous Hollywood executive that said Cheryl would be his first pick out of all the others that he would've hired for a project.

Correct, R270; I don't get it when people slam Shelley's acting and yet Jaclyn and Cheryl had long careers, still working now, I think.

Bitchy and funny review of Shelley's first significant role in "If Ever I See You Again."

Too funny r273...Shelley was as emotional as a bottle cap...lol.

R259 If they stayed in Hawaii, we never would have gotten this

[quote]They nailed it with Ladd and then colossally bungled it with Hack and Roberts.

I think it just shows how difficult it was to replace Kate Jackson. She may not have been the lead, technically, but she was the most believable as a detective and she pretty much always played the alpha of the trio. As someone else pointed out, Hack was too much like Jaclyn Smith’s character and it wouldn’t have been logical for her to come in and assume that leader role anyway. Why the writers didn’t recognize that and attempt to move Ladd or Smith in that direction probably reflects how little they thought about the characters. There’s a quote from one of the writers in the Charlie’s Angels Casebook where he had to ask his wife the name of Smith’s character when he was working on a script. And that happened in either the 4th or 5th season. To them the women were interchangeable.

[quote] Speaking of opening credits, does anyone know what episode that first shot of Cheryl running down the hill is from ? I can't remember ever seeing it in an episode.

It was the Sammi Davis Jr episode. She was pretending to be a passing jogger but was actually doing security detail at Sammi’s estate as he’d been recently kidnapped. They hired a lookalike to make the kidnappers believe they had the wrong guy.

r277 Thank you so much. I've missed that episode since they've been repeating them.

Maybe they didn’t like one another...but these two looked good together!

This is a real question, please don't flame me but ... just curious, here's a long thread about a trashy tv show from the 80s -- is this a lesbian thing? A gay male thing? I mean, 280 posts about a replacement actress on a crappy show? I don't get it, but I'd like to understand it.

Don't flame me but...is it your first day on Datalounge, r280? Otherwise forgotten TV actresses is what we live for!

[quote]r260 Does anyone have Bea Arthur’s screen test for CA? I thought that she was considered for a replacement for Kate.

That would have been the most amazing thing EVAH!

omg

Someone should create a project for Shelley and Karen Cellini.

Martin Kove was so hot on the Sammie Davis Jr episode!

It's said that for most of season 3, Cheryl and Kate barely had scenes together - sad since they were the two best actresses on the show.

David Doyle always said he thought Cheryl was the best actress.

Cheryl's eyes turned into slits very shortly after Angels ended. I don't know if it was a bad facelift or what, but she never looked the same again.

Cheryl wasn't very nice to Ritchie Cuningham

I loved Tiff in glasses

Tiff was smart and attractive

Tiff should have stayed on and run the agency ... she was THAT good!

unretouched candid:

Oh please. I love Shelley but that photos been touched more than Wade Robson

PROVE IT!

I love the idea of shelley just letting herself grow old naturally. It must be a relief when you're famous and you just say enough. Take a look.

I’m growing old kicking and screaming all the way.

R280

You had to be a kid/young adult in the mid 70s.

The show was an absolute phenomenon.

Keep in mind, there was no internet, no cell phones, no movies to rent, no video games.

When my nieces and nephews were young I got a kick out of telling them....

Look, when we were kids, we had exactly once chance a year to watch Wizard of Oz, or Rudolph, or the Grinch who Stole Christmas.

If you missed it, you missed it.

Better luck next year.

r235, Zora kicked Kris' ass! I crack up every time I watch that scene. I think that was the worst ass whupping any Angel had got and all Zora did was popped her 3 good times and threw her across the whole length of the room. LOL!!!

Tiff would have intellectually reasoned with Zora.

“And you have to love Kelly's habit of dispensing random beatdowns in S5.”

r258, I lived for those beat downs when I see the S5 reruns. There was the one where Kelly whipped the Asian guy’s ass in his own shop. He blocked all his punches and hauled off and bopped the crap out of him. If that wasn’t enough, she walked up on him like she dared him to take another shot. Dumb ass did and she karate flipped him into the bookshelves. LOL!!!

Then there was that moment when the crook was trying to escape by running around the pool. Kelly met him on the other side and punched him in the stomach like a street thug from The Wire. I love me some Kelly Garrett.

Both episodes are from the ones set in Hawaii. Those Hawaii episodes were pretty good. I loved those Kelly kick ass scenes because it was almost like a throwback to the first season where she was mainly known as the cool collected ass kicking one in the group.

The very end shot.... just flat out beautiful.

r260, here's Bea Arthur's screen test:

“I wonder how long it took for Tiffany to drown.”

Anyone have a picture of Tiffany in that beautiful champagne colored silk halter necked sheath evening gown? I remember being mesmerized at how beautiful she looked in that episode. I believe she was dancing with Bosley.

R298- Was that from season 1? Who was the woman who assaulted Kelly?

Here you go.

R298 I think you mean who was that lesbian who attacked Kelly.

Yes. Season 1... Night of the Strangler.

Yes. Season 1... Night of the Strangler.

JS looked amazing in season 1.

Even after getting shot in the head!

Tom Selleck was also in love with Kelly(Season 1).

R303, thanks. You could really see the former model in that episode. Only she could pull that dress off.

R308 She didn't even bleed after being shot in the head. And somehow miraculously doesn't even have a hint of a scar afterwards.

The writers were so lazy that Kelly got shot in the head AGAIN in the series finale. She didn't bleed that time either, but grabbed the sides of her head like she had a killer migraine and screamed.

Tiff and Boz contemplate the unfavorable hairstyles of the Munroe sisters.

Cheryl said Farrah wasn't particularly friendly to her during her returns. She didn't want to be there at all. There was even some tension between Farrah with both Kate and Jaclyn at first.

Really? I never heard anything other than Farrah was cordial.

My favorite Charlie's Angels episode is Little Angels of the Night. S2, ep 21.

In an apartment building where many of the tenants are prostitutes, someone is killing them, so the owner calls Charlie. Kris and Kelly move in and they have their eye on the creepy guy who works at the nearby restaurant who delivers the food there.

Freddie is the creepy pizza delivery guy and the whores at the apartment building scream FREDDIE YOU CREEP!!!

[quote]r235 I wish Zora would have beat the crap out of Tiffany instead of poor little Kris.

I once read an article by a doctor about unrealistic violence in movies. One thing he pointed out was (aside from people not dying immediately after being shot) that if you knock someone unconscious, you may well have given them brain damage.

But people in dramas are always getting hit on the head, then coming to with a slight headache.

Kelly was shot in the head...twice? That explains so much...

Don't forget Beamish was fingerbanging her when she was little.

You should really STOP telling that story, R263.

Yeah, and I never liked the mom on Family. Something about her was off.

And she was injected with heroin multiple times, r316 and r317!

I think today is last of Tiffany on MeTV.

Julie got off to a good start, but then they made character very inconsistent. They should've had the character kept the tough edge she had at first. Tanya Roberts was willing to be physical and did most of own stunts on the show (like Kate Jackson).

I found Julie to be an odd choice - she was a sexpot with more T&A to get male viewers, but she came off as dumb. The reason Cheryl Ladd was so successful is that men AND women liked her and she seemed smart (actually a lot smarter than Jill) enough to solve mysteries.

Smart is never a word that I would use to describe Julie.

Cheap whore with early onset of old lady voice is how I would describe Julie. I hated everything about her.

Julie Rogers was my fave

R314 - Both Cheryl and Jaclyn looked great in that episode.

Valley of the Dolls

Season 4 needed more fun moments like this.

R314, I loved that episode, too. I remember thinking that the actor who played Freddie was actually kinda cute.

R321, yes, today was the last of Tiffany. Checking the online guide, oddly, they are not starting with Julie's introductory episode tomorrow. They're jumping to episode three when Kris was kidnapped by that psycho and his crazy kids.

It would be better with Shelley Hack, Rose!

[quote]r325 Julie Rogers was my fave

She made those other dried-up bitches look like the crones they were.

She didn't even look good in her prime, R331.

STFU - she was gorgeous, with an incredible body.

The hell she was.

She came off as a cheap, stupid skank.

Julie kind of looks like a tranny there...

and her voice was terrible.

Tanya was a pretty big sex symbol for a while. So obviously a lot of people found her attractive. She was in Playboy, and in high profile stuff that she got for her looks, like being in the James Bond movie. Even in the 90s she did the softcore movies that played on Cable all the time. Even on That 70s Show, she was Donna's hot mom.

[quote]r336 She was in Playboy, and in high profile stuff that she got for her looks,

Notice Kate, Cheryl and Jackie were never featured in [italic]Playboy.[/italic].

Simply not good looking enough!

[quote]r335 Julie kind of looks like a tranny there...

All the best people do - -

At least Tiffany got to solve the case in the last episode all by herself. Of course, they couldn't bother putting her in the last shot.

That episode really missed a chance to have a Dynasty like catfight in the mansion pool between Kelly and Kris. I also love how they both never stop to realize what a sleaze the Patrick Duffy character was.

Did Madison (Demi Moore) replace Kelly after she got shot in the face again?

Also when I rewatched Little Angels of the NIght, Sabrina is SCARY skinny. I know Kate was tall, but her waist was TINY! I never thought Cheryl or Kate looked anorexic, but Kate must have been doing tons of coke to be that skinny.

R339, I'm actually glad they didn't. I would never have wanted to see Kris and Kelly coming to blows over a man.

In contrast, I did like the brief fight between Kris and Julie when Julie was being mind-controlled by Eric what's his name.

I can’t believe I saw Jane Wyman on the episode today. Was this post Falcon Crest?

R342 - that was one of the more entertaining episodes of Season 5.

Actually, Julie’s goofy character would have fit right into the Drew Barrymore/Cameron Diaz/Lucy Liu CA universe.

Right after Julie sucker punches Kelly!

Team Tanya Roberts.

R343 - Before FC

Jaclyn was sporting some big 80s hair that’s for sure.

The most interesting thing about Shelley was the constant interest in Shelley to turn her into a real actress. They just never gave up. A ton of TV movies and four series, after Charlie's Angels, with the female leads written for her. She had steady work offered to her until she retired from the business. Too bad. I would have liked to have seen her in some old lady roles.

Shelley Hack was Cybill Shepherd minus charisma.

The vibe I get from Tiffany is she’s like let’s get this case over with so I can go meet my real friends at the ballet and then the yacht club.

Shelley is missing the Jane Hathaway accent to complete her character.

A brief appearance but Woody Allen's ultimate dream girl in Annie Hall. The guy Shelley was with sure looks like he was packing something.

This swimsuit doesn't look very flattering on Tiffany.

r342, Julie kicked Young and Restless' Victor Newman's ass. I give her props for that.

[quote]r352 Shelley Hack was Cybill Shepherd minus charisma.

And, tits.

Seeing this image I want to say that choosing Nancy Reagan for costume designer killed the show.

Cybill S would have been the right age. Would hace been interesting with her as an angel.

Big boned Cybill opposite petite Cheryl Ladd would have been visually interesting...

What a mess Cybill would have turned that set into. "MY CONTRACT SAYS MS. SMITH HAS TO BE AT LEAST THREE FEET AWAY FROM ME AT ALL TIMES!"

R360 - It would have been.

I'd love to know how Shelley Hack suddenly popped up in a plum role in a Martin Scorsese film (King of Comedy)

I just think Shelley was their idea of a perfect girlfriend. Pretty, sophisticated, and highly intelligent. She would love them for who they were because she was so intelligent. Fine. That didn't necessarily equal a great actress. I think they all just thought they would be her Svengali and bring out that one perfect performance they all though she had. Shelley was fine when she was playing Shelley: King of Comedy.

R358 They sure made Jaclyn and Cheryl look matronly at times towards the end. It didn't help Tanya looked noticeable younger than both. Funny thing is that Tanya is actually two years older than Cheryl. Tanya shaved several years off her age. She could pull it off because she looked younger than her age. One newspaper writer joked about how she was 26 in 1980 and still managed to stay the same age two years later when she was doing Beastmaster press.

You could make the case that Jaclyn Smith was technically the most beautiful of the angels, but 1 deadbeat actress was all that show could carry. She was incredibly placid. Kate, Farrah and Cheryl had a certain spark that livened up the paper thin material.

Subtler (cough cough) ones like Shelley and Tanya just didn't bring enough to the party, no matter how attractive.

Jaclyn could convey warmth somewhat and had some likeability. She sure did a lot with what she had, though. She was a regular on the TV movie circuit for quite some time and made millions upon millions on her K-Mart clothing line alone.

I wouldn’t call Jaclyn warm

I would call her...amoebic.

She really did come across as partially lobotomized. (In the nicest way, of course.)

Jaclyn was a great contrast to Kate and Farrah during that first season.

Next to Angels In Chains and Game, Set, Death my fave CA ep is soon...Angel on The Line with the fabulous Margo.

I felt sorry for and disgusted by Margo a.k.a. Paul Factor.

The Margo episode really makes me question the Angel’s detective skills.

Who couldn’t clock Margo?

They don't have detective skills. They keep asking questions until one of them gets captured. Then the others notice her gone and save her.

They also go through file cabinets a lot R374

Uh...I don't think anyone's surprised that Kelly couldn't figure out Margo was a dude...

Lol, r376

Both Vega$ and CA had somewhat sordid trans episodes in their final seasons.

Y’all are hilarious.

All of the seasons are fairly cheap to buy on DVD, with the exception of Season 5 which is $35 and up. Even though it has the least number of episodes...and Tanya Roberts 😑

Tiffany was diet pills. Julie was BJ's Wholesale Club treadmill.

R343

I saw it, too.

As long as I live, I will always have a soft spot for Charlie's Angels and the Bionic Woman.

Hell, I was in love with Jamie Sommers.

[quote]All of the seasons are fairly cheap to buy on DVD, with the exception of Season 5 which is $35 and up. Even though it has the least number of episodes...and Tanya Roberts 😑

You're better off buying the complete series for under $30. I remember there was a long delay before season 4 was finally released on DVD. Someone claimed Shelley Hack was holding up the release but I think it's more likely Sony didn't trust there would be much consumer interest in the lackluster final 2 seasons. Season 5 is only available online as a made-on-demand burned DVD-R collection but you get legit pressed discs for all 5 seasons if you buy the complete series.

R383 I always heard that's why they didn't release it, because Season 4 and 5 are seen as disappointments by many CA fans. Supposedly they rushed it when they did to capitalize on Farrah Fawcett's death. If not it, probably would've been released much later, maybe along with Season 5.

The Angels were just jealous of Margo's elegance and beauty.

Me too R382

[quote] The Angels were just jealous of Margo's elegance and beauty.

Cheryl side eye.

Wow, Margo looks a lot like Martha Raye in that pic, R385

If only this had happened. Tiff could have left the agency and become their Bosley! !

Always thought Tanya Roberts looked like a young Peg Bundy. With about as much class also.

It's interesting that they went from a high-brow vibe when hiring Hack to...well...just this side of porn with her replacement...

Ranking the replacement Angels:

1. Tanya Roberts

2. Cheryl Ladd

99. Shelley Hack

One of Tanya Roberts' Johns keeps posting on here to try to build her up.

R391, you’re saying graduating from a top school for models is whore-like?

Loved me some of Tanya’s tig ol’ bitties!

Before Shelley was cast, they were supposedly set on casting Barbara Bach. I'm guessing the network thought she was too exotic looking and nixed her casting.

Here's an interesting article by Liz Smith detailing Kate Jackson's ouster from the show and notes the raises Jaclyn and Cheryl would be getting for Season 4.

I don’t think Barbara Bach would have increased the ratings either. Basically a Kelly Garrett clone looks wise. Interesting that the Liz Smith article states Spelling had wanted to get rid of Kate for awhile - since season two.

r385, Margo is a DL icon! She has her own thread here:

R397 I'm not so sure she would've either.

Kate wasn't afraid to speak up and tell them what she need to be improved to make the show better. Mainly the scripts. She'd even go off if press was on set - she didn't care. People Magazine recounted a fit Kate threw when they were on set early during season two to do a story on Cheryl Ladd joining the show. I linked it below.

[quote]Kate: “Why do I have to say this garbage? This is shit, shit, shit.”

She got even worse during season three, when they would let have time off to do the movie Kramer vs Kramer. She threw a huge tantrum during the episode Marathon Angels, which had a thin script even for the shows standards and was basically an excuse to show a bunch of women running in tight shirts and shorts bouncing around. That might have been the straw the broke the camels back.

Whoops. The People Magazine article.

Liz Smith certainly had a hard-on for Barbara Bach in that article. I wonder how/if she followed up once Hack was announced instead.

The reported final 5 finalists for Season 5 new Angel. Mostly relative unknowns.

Tanya Robert's (who we know ultimately got the part)

Jayne Kennedy (probably the best known one at the time, was considered as Farrah's replacement also)

Cornelia Sharpe (a Faye Dunaway look-a-like)

Irena Ferris (was mostly known a model at the time, kinda looked like a blonde version of Tanya back then)

Susie Coelho (british actress, best known as Sonny Bono's girlfriend)

R401 Not that I can find. She seemed pretty sure about Barbara having the role, someone high up must've told her that. I seen an article where Leonard Goldberg confirmed Barbara was indeed one of the ones considered, out of the 75 they screen tested. He said no decision had been made yet (which was correct).

Claudia Jennings was rumored to have been a front runner as well for Aaron Spelling anyway, but ABC didn't want her since she was a Playboy Playmate.

I love Jennings but I don't know if she would have been a good fit either. Too similar in looks/stature to Cheryl Ladd and with even more of the softcore (?) porn quality that made Tanya seem out of place.

Boy, the press was off on their bets for Season 5 as well. They believed Susie Coelho would land the gig. I bet Sonny Bono resented Tanya when he filmed his Season 5 guest spot, for snagging the role of Julie over his girlfriend Susie.

at the end of the day, Kate was irreplaceable; Farrah was not as we learned with Cheryl.

Kate brought intelligence, acting ability and gravity to the whole 'beautiful women as private eyes' thing.

Once Kate left, the show was doomed to fail; season 4 was glamorous. I liked Shelley. I guess I'm one of the few. But Tanya? She would have been the most believable after Kate as a cop. But they made her a model.

Yes, they needed at least one person to believable as a cop/private detective. Kate was that.

I read in another newspaper article they told Jayne Kennedy that she was too tall, especially next to Cheryl and that's why they didn't ultimately pick her.

Apparently Priscilla Barnes made it pretty far too, according to the same article. I think she might have been a good choice. She was a bit sophisticated, but could be tough also and good enough actress that she could handle the material without any problems.

The guy who wrote this article manages to take a shot somehow at every person he mentions! What a bitch (although he's often right)!

[quote] Here's an interesting article by Liz Smith

Sorry, I only read Rona Barrett.

[quote]r402 The reported final 5 finalists for Season 5 new Angel ... Cornelia Sharpe (a Faye Dunaway look-a-like)

She eventually married some big producer or studio head, or something...

It wasn’t lack of Kate, it was the lousy scripts.

I read somewhere that Joanna Cassidy auditioned too. She might have been interesting. She played a villain in Season 5 in one of the Hawaii episodes.

Liz Smith was full of shit.

Jaclyn signed a five year contract and stayed the whole time. She got raises but didn’t resign.

She did her five and then was out. If the show continued it would have without her.

Jaclyn was such a boring person. I mean, there’s absolutely nothing notable about her besides her looks ... and that low, mellow voice that’s like a liquid sleeping pill.

Irena Ferris married Mike Medavoy and she's a true Hollywood wife.

She and her hubby were Obama supporters and spent a weekend at the White House where they had to reveal actual birthdates and I think it was discovered Irena had shaved about 9 years off her actual age.

I'm just fucking glad Tanya Roberts got it.

Once she got CA Tanya's hourly rate must have skyrocketed.

Kelly Garrett will fuck a bitch UP! I will love her always.

I love fan appreciation videos.

Tanya's Roberts over Jayne Kennedy???

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Jayne is 7 foot tall

r416, Kelly Garrett was always the toughest Angel. She delivered more beatdowns than all the other Angels combined.

Here's another fan-made video of Kelly in action. This one even has the infamous Kelly-fighting-Margo scene at 3:10.

Seasons 1and 2 Kelly was mysterious, savvy and tough. Seasons 3 and 4 Kelly was a PTA mom who owned a handgun.

Those montages make the stunt doubling so obvious, especially where the double was a man. Cheap wigs!

Why would they use stunt MEN? Surely there were stunt women in Hollywood looking for work at the time.

Is it true they were bringing back a 'reformed' Margo after Shelley Hack's departure? I seem to recall there was quite a bit of buzz about this at the time, something along the lines that Margo would have done her time and then come back and helped out the Angels as part of her parole agreement. I think that would have been good.

Paul Factor spent time in that mud puddle clutching his wig.

Margo should have been the replacement Angel instead of Julie Moreno. She already had the Farrah look so it would have not been awkward.

Margo had better hair than Tiffany, at least.

Was Paul Factor Mx's sister?

Paul Factor was Margo!

WHo is Julie Moreno?

Didn't Jaclyn do commercials for Paul Factor Makeup?

Paul Factor always said Kelly was very pretty. Then the dumb fuck fell in a mud puddle later that day as Margo.

We lied...hated her with a passion...

The worst stunt double in all of film or television was when Jill was skateboarding to get away from the bad guys. Was so easy to see it was a guy.

R434 If you look closely during the part where they're holding on to the back of the truck while on the skate board, you can see it's a man with a beard. lol.

Lol I loved the famous CA canned scream.

Shelley's classic made for TV film Death Car on the Freeway, which she made about the time around her time on Charlie's Angels, is on youtube. What a cast!

Also starring god awful Trump supporter Morgan Brittany.

and now it's a Trump thread.

Poor Tiffany, Bosley says she decided to stay back east for awhile and that's the last anyone ever mentions her again. At least Sabrina got to be married and pregnant.

staying back east translates to "sick of those bitches in LA".

I'm gonna stay back east and finger my pussy.

Demi Moore should have played Tiffany (after extreme plastic surgery) in the 2nd CA movie- out to get revenge on Charlie and the Angels for leaving her for dead on that island! And for Kelly’s cold shoulder for an entire year! And for giving her the Pinto!!!

Where did MODEL Julie Rogers get her cop training from? How did she learn to hold a gun and kick ass while modeling?

r444 - Harry taught her everything!

Except how to act.

How dumb do you have to be to have to go to 'school' to learn how to be a model?

They really did Julie a disservice by giving her that ridiculous opening. The first part was to show the Angels learning their skills, shooting, self defense, defensive driving. Julie gets walking with a book on her head. They present her as a joke from the start.

They should've just brought Tanya on as tough cop from NY. She played a cop with Michelle Phillips in an episode of Vega$, which was apparently considered a potential new show for the network but never got off the ground. Aaron Spelling remembered her from that episode, which probably tipped the scale with her getting cast on the show.

They decided to mostly just having her be TNA though. The times when they let Julie be tough and physical, she showed real potential.

^ I did not know that. They should have just had her play the same character.

The thing I remember most about Julie is her junky treadmill in the opening. That's about it.

The episode today with Kris and Julie dancing.

Yikes!

Kris Munroe vs. Margaret Chenowith!!!

Joanna Cassidy doing her own dangerous stunts!

And I love how Cheryl tells her to stay down...and the bitch surrenders!

r452, i found that so fucking hilarious. "Stay there!' lol.

I love how in that episode, they are suppose to be finding a kidnapped guy, other girls are getting taken, and the Angels are back at the office in their swimsuits. I've noticed rewatching the Julie episodes that she got way more to do then poor Tiffany. Even when Julie was taken, they tried to save her, not let her float down the river.

I think they were trying, purposely, to off-Tiffany.

But did Julie know what the Pythagorean Theory is?

The fight choreographer for CA was brilliant! The fight at R452 is almost as realistic as the one with Margo and Kelly wherein Kelly hits Margo, who reacts about 10 seconds later proceeds to shamble over to the mud puddle, pause for another ten seconds and then proceeds to slowly 'fall'/sit down before finally lying down in the mud puddle and begin groaning.

Margo slipped and fell into the mud puddle ad it was trying to escape from Kelly.

And I don’t think they ever showed the kidnapped “dancers” after they were snatched .

We’re they rescued?

I don’t think the Angels gave a shit.

I think Stacy killed them.

I've never known a Stacy that wasn't a bitch.

Stacy rhymes with Tracy and Macy and all those other jive names that hookers like to latch onto!

Jill takes a bow.

Joanna Cassidy Is always a delight.

And she was hilariously pissed off throughout that whole episode.

I loved all the angels and the whole series but Season One is just fucking iconic in every way imaginable.

R466 I think I'd have to agree. The chemistry between the original 3 angels were definitely the best and the first season had a very few mediocre or dud episodes.

Season One's "Angels in Chains" is the most iconic episode in the entire series.

(I'm loving the bitch-face on that butch prison guard!)

[quote] r446 How dumb do you have to be to have to go to 'school' to learn how to be a model?

Kim Alexis was discovered in a modeling school in Savannah or something.

Get out of here Kim. Go to the hemorrhoid thread where you belong please. Back to our Tiff and assorted angels.. except Julie.

Cheryl, you’re not pulling off that hat.

WHY would they agree to this???

Sheesh, R475, Jaclyn's camel-toe is off the hook! You can practically see her kidneys!

Now this should have been the spin-off series! Jill, Kris, and the Cobra

I remember how disappointed I was with all of Farrah’s guest appearances in Seasons 3 and 4. The storylines were boring and there wasn’t enough interaction between her and the other actresses.

And the hair! I hated the hair! Farrah never looked good in any other hairstyle other than her trademark ‘do. On the other hand, I’ve never seen any other actress pull off the Farrah ‘do well.

Farrah did not want to be there so and they knew interaction with Cheryl and Shelley might be awkward. So I bet they wrote those epis as more of a Farrah showcase with limited interaction with the the other angels.

Farrah shat in people's yards.

You better believe it, r481!

Poor Jaclyn had a camel toe on the show a few times. During "the walk" part of the opening credits for seasons 2 and 3 and the hooker episode in season 4 already discussed earlier in the thread.

This one, r483?

While "Angels in Chains" is iconic, the season 4 prison episode "Caged Angels" is great too. Kris goes undercover for this one and is harassed by predatory, obese lesbian Big Aggie (Shirley Stoler). DL icon Sally Kirkland also stars as tall, clumsy lesbian Lonnie.

And then there are lines like this.

"Start shucking, down to the pink. Just pretend I'm your mama."

Sally turned up again in S5 in the episode where the Angels go undercover as taxi drivers.

A friend of mine did hair and makeup in the 70s, and the talk amongst professionals back in the day was that Jaclyn Smith had the ideal face.

On the other hand, a review of her TV movie about Jackie Kennedy mentioned that staring at her face for 2 hours made one sadly aware of the difference between prettiness and a deeper beauty.

R486 That one isn't a bad episode either. Probably the best episode after they returned to LA after "Angels on the Line" and "Attack Angels". Julie has a good scene where she tells the guy with the pipe "Drop it, or you'll go down with it!" and she means it.

I like the Julie scene when she's on top of the car, holding the wipers, get driven around the parking garage. Swaying back and forth.

Hey guys- I have my own thread now, y’know!

Totally psyched to be here!!!

Hi Tonya! Is it the "Flash in the Pan: Forgotten "Celebrities" thread?

I will drop you like a sack of potatoes, Tiffany - do not fuck with me, bitch. You may have an Ivy League education but I’m from the mean streets!

I just bet you are.

I liked both Tiffany and Julie and wonder why Shelley Hack and Tanya Roberts never did a tastefully done nude pictorial together.

If Tiffany stayed back east on the prostitution/ model case, why didn’t she ever come back? She missed out on Hawaii.

She did come back for Season 6!

This is thread that keeps on giving! 😂😂😂

Tiff and Julie could have had some good scenes. It would have been fun teaming up a cheap whore from the streets with an over-educated, upper crust Connecticut Yankee. I wouldn't have minded a season of Chris, Tiff, and Julie.

Kate was the rugged one. Heh.

Angels in Chains

[quote]r402 The reported final 5 finalists for Season 5 new Angel - Tanya Robert's, Jayne Kennedy. Cornelia Sharpe, Irena Ferris, Susie Coelho ...

Kennedy and Sharpe did some cheesy TV movie together 1977 called COVER GIRLS. [italic] ("Two beautiful fashion models work undercover as secret agents.") [/italic]

Maybe someone at ABC saw that and it put them both in contention?

R459 The "kidnapped" dancers were the other girls in on the kidnapping.

Jayne would have never let Tiff just float away. I hate to say it but neither would Tøanya.

Jayne was shit. Only liked her as a guest on Wonder Woman and 227.

Neither would Buck, r503!

R487 that's a bit silly. She was beautiful and considered as such. Nobody said she was some deep great artist.

I wonder what a spinoff starring Tiffany and Julie would have been called.

Charlie's Assholes? R507?

Boobs and the Brain

Charlie’s Angels: The Other Ones

I would rather that instead of going back east Tiff headed south and took a job at Mel's Diner. Driving everyone crazy with a week thesis defense. "You dingy broad. No one is interested in another lecture on Drosophila". " Mr. Sharples. If you please! A live unexamined is not worth living!"

Imagine if Sabrina returned to lead an East Coast Angels division with Tiffany and Julie!

Julie on the East Coast? As what? A hooker in the Bronx?

Is it true Beth Howland was in the running to become the newest angel, Vera?

The hairdressers on the show must've hated Shelley, right?

She backed out when Aaron Spelling drew the line at the straws. She wanted spilled straws, her trademark, in her little bio opening.

"And they were each assigned very hazardous duties"

cut to Vera at Mel's.

I took them away from all that. Now they work for me. My name is Charlie.

Then Linda Lavin starts singing the CA theme with the new lyrics she wrote.

bump bump bump bump baahhhhh

Vera and Tiff could have just traded places.

You got the feeling that the hair/makeup staff did make Hack look awful on purpose at times, but the montage above at R476 has her looking pretty great consistently.

Perhaps the stories of her finally bringing aboard her own hair/makeup people from the modeling world (after the show's people had failed or sabotaged her) are true.

Farrah looks like she doesn't want to be there, and a bit drugged, in the return episodes.

I can barely keep up with gay culture. My dick is constantly in softball players. Who is this now?

MD = Mommie Dearest?

JACKIE! Ooohhh!

JACKIE! Ahhhhh!

JACKIE vogue-ing!!!

Cheryl and Jacks look perfectly at home in that plastic pant ensemble. Who the fuck though it was a good idea to put Shelley in those? As has been pointed out many times though when you put Shelley in a proper style for her she clearly is the standout. So long as it is still photography. As a model she knew just how to tilt her head, where to look, how to hold her arms, etc etc etc that experience comes through.

Taking a squat.

Rewatching the Julie episodes and she's really not that bad. She fits in really well. They utilize her better than they did my poor sweet Tiffany.

I loved all of them except Sabrina Duncan.

Tiffany suffered for their sins.

Sabrina is the only character who was strong from the beginning to the end of her run.

Jill was great S1 but all of her subsequent guest appearances sucked. Kelly was the tough brunette with a mysterious background in S1 but became full time PTA mom by S4. Kris was cute during her first 1 &1/2 seasons but was indistinguishable from Kelly by S4. They also stylized her in a way that aged her about ten years. Tiffany and Julie were consistent but weak because of poor utilization and bad storylines.

face it - they were all cheap whores.

Except Our Tiff.

They should have hired Selma. She already had her intro filmed.

Marsha Warfield would have made a terrific angel too!

Patrick Duffy's character was a sleaze. But he was painted as a confused romantic.

Miss Reed killed him because he was jealous of his relationships with the Angels?

What if he had pulled a Biff and did them all in one episode? Including Bos and Charlie over the phone?

MARGO IS ON RIGHT NOW!!!

R537 thank you! Love Margo - "Poor thing!' I forgot her fantastic line delivery and that big bird costume. Whoever heard of a hypnotist at a singles club?

I’m glued to what’s happening at the hotline club. Margo is very strange.

You are welcome.

My mother with dementia saw her and said "Is she a man?" LOL

Margo is sexy in that cowboy hat.

Kelly is very pretty.

I'm still reeling from the Beamish episode.

Damn writers strike shortened the final season.

R540 your mother is a better detective than Ms. Kelly 'how did you get this number?' Garrett.

Factor, Paul Factor. Very strange

Paul Factor is preoccupied with the word pretty.

R545, i know, right? LOL

Nothing like a tranny in a mud puddle.

Margot looks like Jimmy Fallon in that knife “fight”.

Lol, 552

I watched today’s episode with my grandma. She can’t believe they showed that shit on tv.

Arrêtez!

Is Margo more ladylike in French?

Prt 2, Tiffany and Company, featuring Margo the Wonder Hypnotist!

Will somebody do a part 2? Tiffany and Company?

I sure hope so!

When Charlie died he left the agency to Tiffany. She's going to reunite all the angels. They'll be Charlie's Golden Angels.

Sabrina was not invited. Too butch.

Farrah and Ryan kind of looked alike.

Lee is gay - surprised more people aren't aware of that. She needed a career boost - he needed a beard.

I knew, I knew!

Please. No homosexual husbands on a Tiffany Welles thread.

Lee wasn't gay. He worshiped Barbara Stanwyck!

Please, Robert. No pass around bottoms on a Tiffany Welles thread either.

No, that’s belongs in the Julie Rogers thread.

Favorite recipes for spam belong in the Julie Rogers thread too.

With everything Kelly has been through, why was she so upset about phone calls. She's been shot, hunted on an island, kidnapped multiple times, almost drowned, had her car explode multiple times, Beamish. But a voice on the phone sends her over the edge.

Well a girl can only take so much

r569 those were my thoughts too. It's like bitch, this isn't squat.

I liked her better when she was selling Charlie perfume.

Sad to hear Margo committed suicide in real life.

Is Lee Majors really gay?? I googled it and it seems inconclusive. Holy shit I feel like my childhood was a lie!

Who was Margo - Paul Factor?

Fucking Chorus Line Angels is today’s episode! 🤢

There's someone here that doesn't know Lee Majors is gay and for a short period sold his ass?

Why did they show that shitty dance routine twice at the end?

check

David Doyle told them to. Pals fuckers and friends to the end. And stupid Nancy Fox was in this episode!

r574 - Rock Hudson himself befriended and dated Lee when he was in college and then brought him out to Hollywood. Although Lee seemed to have that cleansed from his official A&E Biography

I like this picture. You knew dad knew what was going on. Lee was EXACTLY Rock's type. A lot of other players on the football team got pimped too.

Yes , was this Nancy’s third appearance?

Who did she have the dirt on to keep showing up?

Was Lee adopted, cause he sure looks better than his parents.

R583 Nancy Fox was a long-time friend of Jaclyn Smith's, so that's why she showed up so much on the show.

I wish Nancy Fox and Jaclyn Smith had never even known each other!

Pals, Bottoms and Friends!!! 💃 👯 🕺🤹🏻‍♀️

I wonder if that whore, Julie's thread is about to close with 600 posts. Funny. Our Tiff is the only Angel that can close out a thread.

r525, Jaclyn's trying to hide her massive camel-toe.

WTH, Sabrina?

At least Sabrina had something else to fall back on if the detective thing didn't work out.

Shelley wasn’t the only top model!

Did they ever explain how Kelly's car exploded so many times and then reappeared in front of the office by the end of the episode? Did Charlie purchase in bulks and kept replacements in storage?

Unaired footage from the Season 4 episode where Kelly is injected with heroin.

The was the first time in a long time I've seen the Margo episode. 3 things that stand out for me.

1. That crazy bitch Margo fell into that mud puddle HARD! I cracked up! LOL!!!

2. Damn Kris. She was a true pioneer in the art of snatching wigs. She actually, well, snatched wigs. She just walked up and snatched Margo's wig off so nonchalantly. Hilarious!

3. Kelly Garrett. GURL! She's always been my favorite angel but as others have pointed out, she's been through much worse. That little collapse she did in Bosley's arms was just doing too much.

4 more replies, then I’m on the first flight back to Boston!

Is anyone gonna start a Part 2?

Good night Angels.

i think it’s time to bid Tiffany farewell for good.