Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74)

Previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Wow, that was a fast one. Thanks, OP!

As asked on the previous thread:

[quote]Linz is trying way too hard. What does Trump have on him?

Rumors are it's video of Miss Lindsay getting spit-roasted.

Seriously, R5, or are you just being droll?

At this point, if that’s what it is, I wouldn’t be surprised. I have never seen anybody do a 180 as fast as Miss Lindsey did on Trump. One minute Trump’s an asshole, the next, he’s God’s gift to humanity.

I can’t imagine any sex act, other than sex with little kids, animals, or dead people, that isn’t survivable for a Republican politician. Probably even scat, as long as it’s with a consenting adult. Just go on Fox and act all offended that your private life is being judged and you’re given a pass. Look at Trump.

What the hell could Miss Lindsey possibly have done, fucked a gerbil? Just own up to it and get your self respect back.

It all started the day Dump invited Miss Linz for an afternoon of golf. Wonder what was discussed on the 15th hole.

[quote]Wonder what was discussed on the 15th hole.

The Senatrice's hole, obviously.

[quote]Seriously, [R5], or are you just being droll?

I'm completely serious. This comes from a gay DC Congressional aide.

R5, Vid has the 'sydney harbour bridge' in it and the 'double adaptor'. That's quite intense.

R10, was there a woman involved with either one? With Miss Lindsey?

It's not hard to picture (unfortunately, since I don't want it in my head) the Senatrix being into the Adult Baby thing.

[quote][R10], was there a woman involved with either one? With Miss Lindsey?

*blinks several times*

Well, "spit-roasting" is a slang term for double penetration, which means you've got two....

...you know what? Skip it.

All male cast, 11. Unless the pivot/two-end receptor is fantacizing fem.

Sorry, I stand corrected. "Spit-roasting" and double penetration are quite different sexual actions.

Double penetration always looks so uncomfortable in porn flicks.

Spit roast is taking it in the ass and giving a bj at same time.

Spit roasting is for amateurs. Add one for the ass plus two in each hand, now that's the hayride. Those 5, I call it the royal flush.

Checked it out on Urban Dictionary.

We all know what spit roasting is. “Double adapter,” according to Urban Dictionary, is one in the ass and one in the vagina. Men don’t have a vagina. That’s why I asked.

Is the Sydney Harbor Bridge the same thing as "Eiffel Towering?"

R19, it’s spit roasting while the two tops hold hands.

So now Pres Bone Spurs is saying well, no, Mexico isn't paying for it and his deplorables will still say they knew it all along. What a fuck show. This is just fuckery at its most fucked.

I am the former Congressional intern who, after having dinner with my former colleagues who, at the time, worked on the hill (or did, their Dem boss retired and she has a MUCH better, scoopier job), asked her what they had on La Senatrice. Spit roasting was brought up, I asked if it was true, she just laughed and said she even if she knew she couldn't say then laughed again. I usually know her "tells" meaning her signs when something is true but she won't say. This time I couldn't tell and she just kept laughing when I asked. Each time I asked her if her laughing was a tell, she just laughed again. I put in a call to her to meet soon and she said she would because "there is so much to talk about!"

You know why this Part 70 fucking 4? Because you're all waiting for something to happen, when it's been 2 1/2 fucking years of NOTHING. There's a macrame class at the senior center, why don't you all get a hobby.

Thank you r21.

I'm another Aussie on here and even I know R22 is wrong wrong wrong. Events have moved at an astonishing pace. Justice is being served. Perhaps you need to get a little distance to see the mills of god grinding?

Someone sounds VERY concerned, haha. Nice try, R74.

I know you need to always get that in there at the start of every thread. I wonder what happens if you don't? Missed rations for a week?

*R22, obviously.

R22 gets extra bowl of borsht tonight. And perhaps maybe we not beat him so much.

R21 Yes R21 thanks for a blind item that doesn't even say anything. I could have gone to CDAN, but you saved me some time. Oh, and how much did that retired woman want to get away from you? You didn't even know her. and you bring up sex at the dinner table. Classy.

Not another tro---person saying this has all been a waste of time, that nothing has happened when, in fact, these threads are filled with news sometimes going so fast we run through threads in days, sometimes hours.

How many convictions/indictments? Pres Bone Spurs IS an unindicted co-conspirator. That is BIGLY! Suck on THAT!

Yes, R24. There have been inditements of Russians, and of Trump associates. Guilty findings and pleas. And things should pickup from here, through end of March. R22 is a troll.

R29 What are the sentencing guidelines for unindicted co-conspirators ? Oh yes, they have him by the balls.....

r28 Awwwww that hurts! I am so deeply wounded by your oh so clever, biting post. That'll teach me!

Spit roasting a man means ass and mouth.

I hear Miss Lindsay was a total slut when she was part of the House of Representatives

Let's please remember--- as was pointed out in the other thread --- this is the time that the trolls start posting. Just be aware of it.

Yes, the trolls know this is usually a quiet time of the day because they would get their asses handed to them any other time. They have to post off hours and during shift changes at the Crimea troll farm for the low IQ. I realize low IQ and Russians is a bit of an oxymoron.........

Currently 7:30am in St. Petersburg, so I guess we get the morning shift.

I'm wondering if Put Put is thinking this is a lost cause and has started to cut rations for this project. In the past there were several shifts, now it just seems to be the one.

Good morning my minions!

Vee get turnip and potato, with butter from beaver milk, r36.

it seems horrible and stupid and worthless and ridiculous now, and it is. but in a few years, I really think we will look back and think, fuck, why were we actually afraid of this bitch. I think it will be like Joe McCarthy, asshole, asshole, asshole, danger, danger, danger, then suddenly total joke.

r37 Russia is a broke shithole. Puty is trying to make us one as well through Pres Bone Spurs. These trolls come from a shithole so having a room to sit in that likely has one log on the fire so they can type out terrible, tired propaganda is better than whatever shithole they live in for a home.

Are you still accepting title submissions?

"Treason, nothing more than treason, I wish I'd never met you..."

ooo, r21, you gotta spill when you get the gossip!

I'm excited at the thought of some inside dish!

I hope you are right r40

Concerning those seventeen new lawyers just hired at the White House, unless I'm wrong those lawyers do not work for Trump. Those are our lawyers, we are paying for them, and no one in the White House has attorney/client privilege with them. I'm also fairly certain Trump has no idea what any of that means.

R21 has a constitutional duty to spill the goddamn motherfucking impeach the bitch TEA.

This is good to remember.

The dark and dreadful judgment day may yet come in which Lindsay Graham's sextape drops.

You all should emotionally prepare for that moment in whatever way you need to.

Bets on whether he cries Federal Emergency on February 7?

Ewwww r48.

Will we have to see his hole?

R50 it'll probably be covered in the load of 30 men so you probably don't need to worry about it.

Former Congressional Intern here (r21) - as soon as I have anything, I will spill it. She, and they, are in much better positions NOW to spill some major tea than before. When she says, "we have a lot to talk about" that is a sign she has got some goodies. We shall see. She did say things on the Hill are bonkers as she has ever seen it in her over 25 years there. She doesn't use words like that unless it is nuts nuts nuts or as La Senatrice says, tea bagging delights.

When did "spill the dirt" become "spill the tea"?

was it ever not, r53? guess I really don't know. was spill the dirt a thing?

I look forward to your future posts r52.

FCI here- I don't know but I use spill the tea because I'm young enough to get away with it (early/mid 30's). I thought it was always, "spill the beans" not "spill the dirt"?

can we all get Bruce? Is that okay? just sort of love Bruce.

Might be a little tipsy.

Just spill. No one here cares how you package it r56.

Lawrence O'Donnell was good tonight. Things are moving quickly to impeachment.

R56, you're right. I meant 'spill the beans'. It's 'dish the dirt'. I think 'spill the tea' just sounds really stupid. Just looked it up and it says "spill the tea" is a gay/drag thing that started in Texas in the 2000s and is based on gossiping at southern tea parties. Eh. Still sounds stupid.

r58 I haven't met with her yet.

oh r60, you are young and stupid. Spill the Tea. Spill the Truth. come on, bitch, don't be young and stupid forever.

Time to ignore the troll r62.

you are right r63, I believe in constant redemption, but that is a mistake. you are right.

Good Trumpcast tonight.

Maddow was good. Mnuchin didn't properly testify at the House today.

R22 blocked. I just block troll posts now rather than get involved in debate.

Thanks, R21! I'd completely forgotten where I'd heard this bit of dirt on Miss Lindsay, and it was you.

So right now apparently the Mueller team is reviewing Donnie's statements to get at intent. Part of Obstruction charges I would guess. I keep hoping there is a smoking gun. I want to read that when Donnie Jr. made his phone call to a blocked number the phone records will show it was Trump's phone. I want Michael Cohen's tapes to clearly indicate Trump knew everything that was going on with the Russians. I'm hoping Rick Gates has verified Trump knew. He is the missing link. All the stuff we're learning continues to verify the Russians helped Trump steal the election. They were involved at every level in every standard campaign activity. The only true question remaining, and we at DL know it's not really a question, is Trump's personal knowledge of the criminal activity, his involvement, etc. We know this is his operation from top to bottom. I hope there's tape. OMG, I want Trump on tape talking about his Russians SO MUCH. IMO the two people who are golden for the Mueller team a re Rick Gates who was at Manafort's side, and Cohen, who was around Trump. I'm convinced there is a smoking gun out here...or several smoking guns. WEHT that young guy with the strange hair, the IT guy who worked with the data, with Cambridge or with Parscale, etc. He had turned on them and was talking. Does anyone remember? I'm betting they will shortly have enough to indict Trump, and they can also continue investigating because there are so many lines of inquiry into real criminal activity.

What if, as a strategy, the dems did nothing after Trump declares his little state of emergency? Government would open back up, Trump could raid the bloated military budget for his wall, the military would be pissed at him, he could go about the task of confiscating private property, etc. What’s the downside for Democrats?

R62 blocked.

I want to know who the blocked call was to...

[quote] R68: I want to read that when Donnie Jr. made his phone call to a blocked number the phone records will show it was Trump's phone.

Actually, you can’t call out to a blocked number, it was a blocked number that called into Jr.

Suppose we find it was DJT Sr. who called Jr. From that blocked number. Is that enough to find beyond a reasonable doubt that Sr. was informed? Seems reasonable to me. Anyone know how long the call lasted?

Ry1, even though the number was blocked, wouldn’t the phone company records show who called? I would bet Dump had a burner phone or two, or is he that clever?

Trump isn't smart enough to use a burner phone. The problem is that the phone company can purge its own records, and they would have a lot of incentive to keep Trump happy by making sure that his records are purged.

[quote]Thanks, [R21]! I'd completely forgotten where I'd heard this bit of dirt on Miss Lindsay, and it was you.

No offense, but that gem didn't come from the person with the friend on the Hill. That rumor about Lindsay was floated around, even in these threads for a long time before the former intern said he took it to the person he knew currently working on the hill and asked for confirmation, to which that person only smirked or whatever.

I don't think we've ever gotten actual "new info" that hasn't already been floated around here. Only "smirks" and "smiles" as possible confirmation.

People please. Can we thin before we say "Trump isn't smart enough to do this, or think that or say WTF ever?" He would certainly know about burner phones. He has been an underhanded crook all his adult life. He's also been a womanizer and a cheater. Having burner phones works well for him. So if he was cheating with a Playmate he'd give he'd say," Here's my private number. I never give this to anyone, only you. And when you call me I'll answer it personally, not some secretary or personal aide...." Can you imagine how flattering that would be? Shit. Burner phones were definitely in his toolbox.

Now as for this wall bullshit, and the shutdown, and the idea of calling a state of emergency, hell, they've been tossing that one around for months. IMO. I believe that once they knew the possibility of losing the House was a strong possibility, he started ginning up his panic speeches. He was screaming about illegals and getting really crazy, remember? Then that fucking caravan (we haven't yet heard the full story there.) and he campaigned hard. No one can accuse him of sitting out the Midterms. He went all out with his message of fear and crazy. Make no mistake this shutdown is about losing the House. He doesn't care about a wall. He cares about crushing Pelosi. And a shutdown, as long as he holds the Senate and they don't desert him, is exactly what they will do to fuckup Pelosi. They will never agree to anything she proposes. Ever. Mitch and Donnie are ging to hardline her and make her look bad. That is their goal.

Yeah, everybody and his brother, not just on DL, assume Trump and/or Putin are holding sex-related "dirt" over Lindsay's head. I think the truth is much more prosaic. I think our Miss Lindsay is just a garden-variety craven politician who loves his cushy Washington life and is deathly afraid of being primaried by an even Trumpier Republican in his next Senate race.

I don't know if I agree with that. The Senatrice's behavior is much more than someone who just wants power. He acts like someone who is terrified to death that something is going to come out about him. His actions always come across as someone being held hostage.

I'm more likely to believe that Pence is just a power hungry asshole without any secrets than I am to believe that about Lindsay.

R77 Yes and "everybody and their brother" are likely right. It's something more than just the usual politician hypocritical, go with whichever way the wind is blowing" . As is noted, Miz Linds did a complete ass licking change overnight after a private golf game with the moron. No sir. I know the girl is compromised. As are a number of other GOP'ers. The Russians have been infiltrating the GOP for many years. Dana Rohrbacher is another one. Its sick but it is what it is.

It's tragic that the world needs so much proof for Trump being a crook and yet Obama would hang by now for even the slightest rumor of doing 1/1,000th of what Trump already has pulled.

Just get rid of that asshole.

I think we need to get over wringing our hands about that, r80. That ship sailed about two million years ago, when the first humans evolved. We hold people up to different standards based in part on what we have come to expect from them.

It's unfair, yes, but so is life.

Instead of fuming about it, as we tend to do, we need to move past it and sink him anyway.

[quote]It's tragic that the world needs so much proof for Trump being a crook and yet Hillary was crucified twenty times over even though the blatant lies told about her were repeatedly debunked as insane ramblings.

Being guarded here as to what is termed the Senàtrice. There are old and some newer stories. If one is older and perhaps connected to the gay political gossip circles particularly in Columbia and in Charleston, Myrtle Beach, Hilton Head, and pockets of the very conservative upstate where she's from, one may hear more specific and tantalizing details. Around the captitol and state legislature, those people, predominantly Republican, gossip on the subject matter. People on DL want names. I am aware of a couple, but am not going to mention people that are largely unknown and not politicians. It is dated gossip, and presenting proof is not there unless the individuals show a willingness to speak about it. One guy is pretty obscure, private,and works for a large company.

A salacious video is gossiped about, but not thought to be of SC origin. Speculation is that it could be foreign and made without the knowledge and consent of the subject matter. Perhaps it was a hotel room set-up. Again, that's taking liberties with pure speculation. If one is looking for an old lover to come forward, one may also expect to be disappointed. Something is assumed to have happened at that golf outing to turn the Senàtrice into an immediate sycophant for Cadet Spurs. If this scenario is close to being correct, it is old-fashioned blackmail whereby someone is holding provided dirt that implies something is illegal, and/or is very embarrassing, and could derail a career.

While certain closet cases of politicians make slip-ups and get exposed, the Senàtrice is quite careful about displays in private. Her many years with a now deceased mentor/colleague can be explained as chums/buds, like-minded, work-foused, political allies, etc. The conservative electorate accepts that. After all, the other guy was married.

With an unproven secret spit roasting video, if true, it would be by an entity intending to entrap. Doubtful it was by someone seeking to re-live a sexual conquest in which he is a participant. Who has such a motive? And don't count on it being some southern Democrat with some bruised feelings because he lost a race to the Senàtrice.

Uh... thanks for the recap on the Senatrice.......

The poster pretending to be a”Former Congressional Intern” is the one with all the smiles and smirks. He has never had even ONE piece of the puzzle to share with us. He’s never had anything to bring to the table.

Some people like T rump are evil and don’t need blackmailing. There is no spit-roasting tape. Graham is just EVIL.

So according to "insiders" Trump is prepping right now to declare an emergency to build his wall and is looking into having the military do the construction of it, as he rummages around looking for the funds. (yawn.) This is where he was headed all a long and IMO there is no guarantee that he will reopen government or agree to anything proposed. Graham professes to be disappointed his proposal was rejected by Trump. Hah.

As for why is Lindsey being Lindsey? I think it's a combination of things. I have no reason to doubt that "someone" might have compromising pictures of him. I have no doubt he has been getting money from Russian oligarchs for years. Especially in recent years. But I also believe he is an opportunist of the first degree. His political ideology is simply a collection of personal issues he's cobbled into something resembling "I'm a Conservative."

He's a whore. He wants to satisfy as many factions within the Conservative movement as he can. Clearly McCain was the only thing stabilizing him. And when you really look at Graham, think about how he betrayed that friendship. McCain saved the life of a Russian journalist/ political activist, the guy was a pallbearer at his funeral after surviving two state sanctioned assassination attempts by poison.

Putin and Trump hated McCain so much Trump insulted him, mocked him, and ridiculed him for years, even while the guy was on his deathbed. That, IMO tells me exactly what kind of man Lindsey Graham is. He is slime. He is a filthy despicable rat, and he is exactly on the same level as Trump,including in his need for media attention.

R85 I don't know everything that that person has shared but all of the posts I have caught have only ever re-stated theories tossed around here. I don't know if that person is claiming to present this information here as new or if he's just saying he's taken what we've talked about and asked for confirmation -- which is never actually confirmed, but rather we are to guess confirmation based on a smile.

God, enough with the LIndsey shit, who cares? Let's get back to the Muller stuff...

If you don't like it R88, skip it. Nobody cares that you don't care... of course you have no other posts in this thread so your caring is suspect.

oh screw you r89, I have participated in every single one of these threads right from the beginning, go back and check if you don't believe me.

But the "Ms. Lindsey" stuff is old. I hate the fucker but enough about his sex life! He's ugly as sin but I'm beginning to think that some of you find him hot or something, since you talk about his sex life so damn much.

WTFever.

I did, R90, You have no other posts in this thread.

And again, if you don't like it, don't read it or don't respond. Your analysis that people talking about it means they find him "hot," shows your limited your thinking skills are.

But you do you and keep trolling, ok?

R89 don't go away mad. ..

Sorry, that was meant for R90.

R76 - Making Pelosi look bad isn't really working at the moment. She's the only one who appears to be a strong leader with everything under control. She looks like someone who is in charge of the situation.

Trump looks like a weak, desperate, unhinged crybaby. The Senatrice looks scared, exhausted and defeated. McTurtle looks like a lazy and incompetent dog with his tail between his legs.

I'd much rather be in the Democratic position than the corner in which Trump and Co. have dug themselves.

the fat, racist piece of shit will declare victory no matter what. But, tub-of-lard will certainly be seen as losing and he will lose the 202 election (but, I think he will resign before then). The Sentate will go Blue and McGurgle will be gone. He is as much of a disgrace and traitor to the US as is this fake president.

Only the Deplorables will believe what Trump says since they created a support system around them (aka "the bubble") where others like conservative pundits, Fox News and Breitbart affirm their right wing snowflake beliefs.

Yes, the Deplorables are cranky snowflakes who threaten violence whenever their precious safe space is threatened.

One cannot separate Graham from the DTJ-Putty Poop saga. There's that campaign finance money from an oligargh. The attacks on DoJ/F-BI/Steele dossier/, complaints about judge-aporoved surveillance of Carter Page, his committee work that tries to counter the Mueller investigation, support of the Sessions firing/support for Trump's temporary and nominees at DoJ, urging the DoJ firings, campaigning for Republicans in 2018 as the Kavanaugh confirmation hero, his meltdown on the committee, his daily appearances on major TV networks defending and promoting Trump/his golf outing 180 flip. Can go on and on. He is the new chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee. His priorities? Approve Federalists Society named judges, investigate DoJ and intelligence services personnel, and of course, investigate HRC's Emails for the upteenth time.

Humor about his speculative sex life and life-style is to be expected due to his immense cravings for attention and political shananigans that are extremely partisan and contradictory. This is Datalounge for Pete's sake. People will gossip about celebrities and politicians.

Graham latched onto DJT. He has to know sexual escapades are part of the drama generated by DJT. Some of it is in court right now. Graham receives speculation because of his own perplexing actions, either directly or indirectly.

The US need some to heal. A guarantee for this to happen is if the dems take the Presidency and both houses. If will happen and these traitors will be vilified forever.

Donald is really drama-queening it up this morning:

Humanitarian Crisis at our Southern Border. I just got back and it is a far worse situation than almost anyone would understand, an invasion! I have been there numerous times - The Democrats, Cryin’ Chuck and Nancy don’t know how bad and dangerous it is for our ENTIRE COUNTRY....

...The Steel Barrier, or Wall, should have been built by previous administrations long ago. They never got it done - I will. Without it, our Country cannot be safe. Criminals, Gangs, Human Traffickers, Drugs & so much other big trouble can easily pour in. It can be stopped cold!

Shut up you piece of shit, lying and fake president. Stop lying, you gutless, scared little crumb. You are a criminal and after Mueller”s report comes out, you’ll be in jail.

good thread

I personally love the pictures of the wall sawed with a gaping hole. The military was instructed to test the prototypes using “common tools” and they cut a big section right out of it using a common hacksaw. It’s a fucking JOKE. And I’m pissed at Cher, no Cher, none of us want the workers suffering, but I will be goddamned if I’m going to give this pig a fucking penny for his stupid wall!!! Cher tweeted that Nancy should just give him his fucking money so the workers can buy food for their families. It is terrible. But I’d rather send money to food banks or GoFunds to help them that pay for it. And we aren’t the assholes for feeling this way, if Orange Marmalade wasn’t such a bastard, NONE of this would even be happening.

Gotta laugh. Old military guy here. He wants the military to build his wall if he declares a state of emergency? These new hillbilly red neck nose picking recruits couldn’t build a sand castle much less some impenetrable wall. Every day seems to be a new sitcom adventure with Dumpity Doo.

The media should stop humoring Trump and his Deplorable snowflakes. Announcing that Shumer and Pelose got higher ratings for their rebuttal segment is a step into the right direction.

New TIME magazine cover -- Trump flinging tweets at Nancy while she responds with a "subpoena-pult."

[quote]As for why is Lindsey being Lindsey? I think it's a combination of things. I have no reason to doubt that "someone" might have compromising pictures of him. I have no doubt he has been getting money from Russian oligarchs for years. Especially in recent years. But I also believe he is an opportunist of the first degree. His political ideology is simply a collection of personal issues he's cobbled into something resembling "I'm a Conservative."

I think it's also that cozying up to Cheeto serves Ms Lindz's presidential ambitions which I believe is his ultimate goal. Aligning himself with Trump means getting the deplorables on board, should any of these cases happen:

a) Trump won't run in 2020 (impeached, decides not to run, whatever the reason). Ms Lindz takes Trump's mantle.

b) Trump will run, so Ms Lindz makes a play for Veep, with an eye to 2024.

Lindsey will never be elected, if he’s thinking that, he’s out of his mind. The rest of the country isn’t as stupid as his home state.

I read that in a few years drones will be strong enough to fly people over the wall. Then all a coyote has to do is buy a few drones and rake the cash in. It will be like a money printing machine.

And we will have a two trillion dollar paperweight and a bankrupt country.

Why doesn’t it occur to any of these politicians that the problem isn’t a wall, the problem is the countries south of the border are in a never-ending state of turmoil. They live next door and they always will. While technology becomes more and more advanced.

If we could rebuild on the Marshall Plan after WWII, why can’t we put the money where the problem is? Stabilize these countries and people will stay home. Rather than throwing money down a hole, attach strings so aid can’t be misused.

About the Marshall Plan: “The years 1948 to 1952 saw the fastest period of growth in European history. Industrial production increased by 35%. Agricultural production substantially surpassed pre-war levels. The poverty and starvation of the immediate postwar years disappeared, and Western Europe embarked upon an unprecedented two decades of growth that saw standards of living increase dramatically. Additionally, the long-term effect of economic integration raised European income levels substantially, by nearly 20 percent by the mid-1970s.

“[...] Economic historians J. Bradford DeLong and Barry Eichengreen call it "history's most successful structural adjustment program." One effect of the plan was that it subtly "Americanized" European countries.”

r106. The Deplorables would never support Ms Lindz. They were the ones who practically outed him when he was still one of Trump's enemies in the primary election. Remember when Lindz smashed his phone, because his now dear friend released his mobile phone number on social media?

Bitch gets blackmailed into submission I have no doubt about it.

There's another angle to the Lindsay story -- the man lives to start and extend military conflicts. (The lion's share of his campaign money comes from defense contractors.) In the Woodward book, he's always whispering in Trump's ear, trying to get him to send troops somewhere or other. He thinks he can influence Trump to do so by staying on his good side.

Delete Mueller’s name from these threads and rename them “Graham” something.

This is ridiculous.

Pelosi and Schumer and the Dems need to emphasize all the workers going without pay, and the services that are affected. Period. Just like they focsued on healthcare for the mid terms, they need to hammerthose issues home and just dismiss his wall with quick comment, like it's not important.

And they also need to highlight the way services are affected. THAT is a national security issue. Humantarian crisis? WTF about Americans going without? Frame that fucking message, because this is a campaign right now. It is a competition to dominate the media. So ifI was advising Pelosi and the House leadership etc. I'd say:

So far the media focus is on Trump, but at some point people (like Cher) are going to start waivering and may tell Nancy to "please don't be stubborn. Please negotiate so people can get paid and services can resume."

For most people who aren't politically active and just want to deal with their own kitchen table, the fact that the media is framing this as a "both sides " issue is harmful to Nancy and the Dems. That's important. These kinds of situations don't remain static. They are fluid, and can turn on a dime.

Dems need to do something that is pro active. Trump visited the border yesterday? I'd do some visuals too. I'd visit airports and food pantries and stuff like that. Senators and House members have the right to go out and investigate. They ought to do that. People who won't get their food stamps, people who are TSA agents working without pay.

When we fight them we have to do it effectively. We hate Trump. He's a monster. We see him through a different lens than his supporters, and different from the people in the middle who are mostly indifferent and frustrated. Those a re the people we need to own.

When this started Trump looked so bad and so childish. We need to keep him in that frame. We need to be three steps ahead of him because honestly, he is very predictable. And really, why would anyone ever expect Mitch McConnell to be open to reason.

The House passes legislation and delivers it to Mitch and he keeps saying "No." Fine. But after a certain point, escalate. Get the Senators to boycott anything except the shutdown. Two days ago Nancy had a bi-partisan coalition. McConnell insisted Trump go to the Hill to have a talk because his people were deserting him. They talked strategy. We need to blow t hat shit up.

Excellent post r112, I especially love how you flipped the script on “Americans going without.” You’re a hellcat. I love it.

[quote]Can we thin before we say "Trump isn't smart enough to do this, or think that or say WTF ever?" He would certainly know about burner phones. He has been an underhanded crook all his adult life.

His arrogance and a lifetime of getting away with everything would have made him not care about such things.

I really hate 99% of the media. They keep buying into the premise of Trump's plans and arguments as if they aren't the insane rantings of a modern day Quixote chasing his big giant windmill (aka wall). I swear, when they keep talking about both sides being intractable and unwilling to compromise, I just want to strangle them all.

I've know arrogant guys like Trump, and they have burner phones and probably three or four e-mail accounts under different names. He is sly and sneaky because he is a control freak. He's the type who'd give each one of his kids a burner phone number so they'd think they were special. It's not really about burner phones or blocked numbers, it's the fact that in addition to being arrogant, he is a sneaky underhanded bastard.

Have we discussed the hot gay air traffic controller on MSNBC today? He was interviewed in his apartment.

Would a McCain presidency in 2008 have prevented Russian interference in 2016?

Here’s what I don’t understand. I am no McCain fan. At all!!! But clearly, the man was a patriot. He was a lot of other things too, but he WAS a patriot. So how did he build this alliance that was so deep with Lindsey???? I don’t understand it.

R115, he's not sneaky, though. He's stupid and arrogant. He does everything out in the open sure of the fact that he'll just get his way and get away with anything. It's the entire basis of his personality. That's why there's so much fucking evidence of all his wrongdoings.

I agree R112, it's frustrating that democrats are still on the defensive. I think people are desperately waiting for them to get on the offensive.

Democrats need to dominate the narrative!

R118, Hillary said something like that as well in several interviews. Saying she worked with some republicans on legislation and these people seem totally compromised now. That's why I believe there is a lot of bribery, blackmail and extortion going on. That's how Putin gets them. Happened in Europe as well with the Hapsburg group.

FUCK

CHER

When was the last time we saw or heard from a Rick Gates? I seriously think it’ll be someone like him, relatively low profile and quiet (unlike Michael Cohen, say) who brings Trumpie down.

Do we know what Gates has been up to?

Gates is awaiting sentencing on his plea deal for conspiracy against the U. S., expected to be 57 to 71 months, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller in the meantime. He knows a lot, having worked for Manafort for years in his "business” (money laundering, bribery, shakedowns), and then for Manafort (and later Kellyanne) during the campaign and transition. He’s also being sued by his lawyers for unpaid legal bills. I wouldn’t be surprised if working on a book.

Wasn't trump just using is private non-secure phone to conduct government business? I mean he can't be all that smart.

Yes, and yes, R125.

Such CONCERN about “the Dems.”

Does anyone else think it’s possible that KAC is working for Russia? I’ve been trying for months to make sense of her husband’s actions. And the more I think about it, what better way to hide than to have your spouse posting comments that utterly contradict what you say as the POTUS spokesperson? Is this possible or have I reached Level Ten Paranoia?? Or is she Team Mueller even?

R128, Kelly Ann is alll about money and access to power. Remember how she trashed Trump on TV ...until she decided to join him? I'd love to know how much she got paid. If she has not been interviewed by the Mueller guys I'd be very surprised. She has been around for a while, but has never enjoyed such national prominence before. Yeah, Bill Maher and Chris Matthews used to have her on because she traded a lot of political gossip with them. She got along with the media because she leaked. And she hung out. She was on the fringe of a lot of political circles and was a pollster. She did a good job. She was successful as a consultant, but not at the level of the A listers.

R128 it'd be surprising, but not exceedingly so. She speaks like RT reports.

But how do you explain the dynamic of her husband’s Twitter feed? I agree with you though too, no doubt she’s spent her life fapping over power. But I wonder at times if she has ALSO been compromised by Russia.

I feel like her husband is now tweeting as he does to be an end game for her. Either to be positioned as the new James Carville and Mary Matalin, or to give plausible deniability when KellyAnne has to say, to save her ass, "actually I was there protecting America. I had to say all those things to stay undercover. Look at my husband's positions in his tweets, those are my real thoughts!". Either way she sucks.

Personally I don't trust Kellyanne and her husband, because they look like scheming gamblers who bet on both sides (conservatives and liberals) and think they are winners either way.

Ahhhhhh, now that makes sense r132. It gives her an “out” when Orange Marmalade goes down. And I wouldn’t be shocked if that’s part of why her husband is doing it, he might really believe what he’s saying, but he’s a lawyer, so this is also his way of protecting his wife too. I despise her with every bone in my body.

Why would her husband's opinions and ideas give her cover?

Yet R107, the media loves him, and his Republican peers in the Senate put him out there as their voice.

When he ran in the early 2016 Republican Presidential primaries; South Carolina results for him were in the single digits. His major donors include the Koch Bros, NRA, and the production industries that sell to the military.

Graham was a House leader in voting to impeach Bill Clinton. He's less about ideology, and much more being an opportunist. Whether there's compromising information being held over his head, and/or he has higher political ambitions; he's leaving trail of baggage even many deplorables will find annoying.

R136, because after DJT goes down, she could simply say that she didn’t actually believe most of what she was forced to say, which is “obvious” when you read her husband’s feed. She could theoretically say that she didn’t believe anything she’s saying.

I think the end of American government began when news became rating-based entertainment. I'm not sure how to get it back, especially when even the Democrats are looking for a "rock star" to run in order to play the game.

R137, it's not 1953 where the man's opinion is the official family opinion. And, how exactly is she being forced to do anything? She's just an evil woman and her shit is her own. No one will ever believe otherwise.

[quote]the media loves him, and his Republican peers in the Senate put him out there as their voice.

The media doesn't love him, he loves the camera. Very few of his Republican peers are willing to talk to anybody but Fox, so Lindsay gets to be the belle of the ball.

The sensitive is being blackmailed. Make no mistake. A closeted Queen - who has a profound love of the high life and power - was always gonna be in danger of compromised. And has been. At minimum - Russians and/or their agents have everything on him. Every text, every email - every bank account detail. There’s a good chance they also have actual audio and video of misdeeds - political - financial - and sexual. He’s compromised. And shit scared.

Re: KAC and her husband - they remind me of those ‘clever’ characters from past conflicts - who saw there was gonna be a conflict and saw that family members were well placed on every side of the potential combatants - so that no matter whoever won - there was barely a hiccup in overall family fortunes - as there’d always be someone who sided with the winners and was able to continue business as usual. It’s happened since the Romans. WW1. The Nazi regime. There’s always been cynical double dealing.

It’s the same with some of the huge corporate donors now - the way many give a ton to the rethugs - but also donate some to the Dems as well so they can hedge their bets - and always claimed to have been supporters when the winds of fortune change - and start to lobby for whatever benefits them. It’s purely cynical self interest.

r139....you just don't get it. It doesn't matter how plausible it sounds to you or us, from a defense perspective, its very plausible and believable.

R139, you best step back bitch. I’m on a thread about Orange Marmalade asking questions about the Jersey Mc-Dego Fiend KAC along with her stumpy and portly and suddenly anti-GOP spouse. This is where we discuss strange behavior.

So, the Distraction Trolls get called out about Graham, so the subject of their NONSENSE POSTS switches to KAC.

How VERY telling.

R142, you can keep saying it but your theory makes zero sense in the real world. None. "Oh, yeah I committed all these crimes and lied continuously but my husband said good stuff on Twitter, so I'm going to retroactively go with that!" That's absolute nonsense in defense of anything and is showing a weird, antiquated bias on your part as to the importance of her husband's opinions in defining her as a person. It's ridiculous and you know it.

R144, what exactly is the discussion of KAC currently distracting from on this thread? Not a whole lot happened today so the discussion wanders to the other criminals involved in the Mueller investigation. The troll accusations are getting more annoying than the actual trolls at this point. At least the trolls are entertaining at points in their sheer obliviousness.

Yes, R132 someone said the same thing here in the last thread. KAC and George's schtick is to give KAC cover. They'll claim they were working together and that she was the only thing holding America together.

GAWD r144. Remind me to not invite you to my next BBQ. I mean holy fucking shit, this is a thread for discussion about all the players.

R144 thinks more highly of himself than he should. You didn't "call out" any of the Lindsay posts. No one cared about your stance on the matter. Looking at your history in this thread kind of sums it up.

[quote] r137: She could theoretically say that she didn’t believe anything she’s saying.

I don’t think you can throw yourself under a bus and survive.

Good one, R149. That theory is insane.

KAC will just say she was doing her job and saying what she was told to say and then turn it around and deflect to the person she's talking to. Lather, Rinse, Repeat.

Moron.

"I said what I was told to say and did that because it was necessary for me to have Dotard's trust so that I could continue staying on staff and help protect the country. I needed to ensure that I maintained good favor with him so that I could guide him from making decisions that would have been disastrous for our country. The fact that I was able to stay on longer than anyone else shows how good I was at my job and the sacrifices I made. I AM A HERO and what about YOU can you say the same? I will not be questioned by anyone when I was spending 24/7 protecting this great country!!!"

I can totally see it.

WHERE OH WHERE HAS NUNES GONE TO????

He slithered under a rock now that Democrats are in charge....hes hoping they dont go after him for aiding and abetting.

[quote]WEHT that young guy with the strange hair, the IT guy who worked with the data, with Cambridge or with Parscale, etc. He had turned on them and was talking. Does anyone remember?

Christopher Wylie is still around, still doing interviews & testifying. This rather odd article showed up in the Guardian in November about the links between Steve Bannon, CA, Trump and the fashion industry.

Kellyanne has been spewing her right of center Republican propaganda for over two decades. Her polling company has had clients all over the country. She was working for Ted Cruz prior to Trump. She was on Fox and even CNN doing her deflections, spin, and twisting of the truth.

As to Lindsey Graham, CNN, MSNBC, Fox extensively, and elsewhere quote and mention him throughout the day for quite awhile now. While he craves the camera, there is a media infactuation with him and that's not based on ideology with the exception of Fox in particular. It's a repeated false narrative that he's a sensible Senator influencing Trump and that his focus is having all sides working together. He may propose something that is moderate leaning, then abrubtly abandon it if opposition comes from Trump, McConnell, the GOP majority, etc. He presents himself as a military and foreign policy expert, but is essentially a proponent of military spending and injecting the U.S. military into foreign conflicts. Even with this, he will succomb to Trump on Syria, N. Korea, and Russian intervention policies.

The jokes just write themselves.

Photo caption: Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani participates in the White House Sports and Fitness Day on the South Lawn on May 30, 2018, in Washington, D.C.

Kevin McCarthy still has Nunes and cohorts on the House Intelligence Committee. Trump will still have his pipeline from the committee for information, but can't set the agenda anymore and is regulated to vote with the minority. Schiff has some pay-back to do with Nunes.

538 article about what it would take to primary Trump, basically a major event combined with a strong challenger.

I still suspect that McConnell is helping the shutdown continue to weaken Trump.

R158 Rudy was more likeable in drag.

wanna bet they are Trump supporters????

National park visitors cut down protected Joshua trees during partial government shutdown

Pompeo is a disgusting pig, who needs to retire.

in the world did the bastards cut down the Joshua Trees? Was there money to be made? I know people who nave been robbed of expensive timber.

Nunes should be hung by the neck untill dead.

Lindsay is being blackmailed. More than likely Putin has video of him having kinky gay sex, therefore Lindsay obeys. I think McConnell has been taking Russian money for years.

Lindsey is depressed. Now wants the emergency called This Senator was once a proponent of mass migration. Gotta have those peaches picked cheaply.

Hey when you have air time to fill, and you can't get anyone from the Republican side to talk to you, Lindsey is always available. That's why we see him so much. He's there. LOL! Is the word I want "Ubiquitous?"

Well today was a payless payday for most government workers. Shit is about to get very real. Pelosi has positioned herself on the side of the workers. Trump is talking about slats. Steel slats....

Fuck Lindsey, seriously.

Lindsey reminds me of a semi erect, very pink and white Penis with just a hint of purple in the nether regions...

Cheetolini has moved on from steel slats - now it's all about "concrete-reinforced steel", aka steel injected with concrete.

It's like he has no idea how a building is put together or something.

A rumor has it Miss Lindz wants to be nominated by DJT to be on the SCOTUS to replace RBG. Miss Lindz will work next to Kavanaugh. How delicious.

[quote]It's like he has no idea how a building is put together or something.

It's like his brain fell down the stairs.

Just got an alert from the NYTimes: the FBI was evidently so freaked out when Trump fired Comey, they suspected Trump was working for Russia. In other news; well, duh.

"Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence." @benjaminwittes

Funny that there is no third option.

But, but, but....

Russia is our friend.

Here! here! R165

*sips from flask full of whiskey*

omg we're in for a crazy ass weekend lol

Friday night surprise!

HOLY SHIT the response from White House:

That's fake, right?

We wish, R181.

No. All over Twitter, where I screengrabbed it

Isn't she a TINY bit afraid that there's a Hell?

She’s already there.

R168, I think it’s “omnipresent”.

You know, I don't often advocate for a blacklist, but it would be wonderful if Sarah Huckabee Sanders couldn't even get a job at a drive thru window when this is all over.

Sarah needs to receive The Red Hen treatment in perpetuity.

[quote]You know, I don't often advocate for a blacklist, but it would be wonderful if Sarah Huckabee Sanders couldn't even get a job at a drive thru window when this is all over.

I'm fairly certain she's already there. Otherwise, why hasn't she just quit?

Can't someone just out the Senatrice? I really don't need video of two hung masc tops spitroasting her, just someone who has texts about a late-night tryst in her boudoir.

Sarah fears having press conferences anymore. She's stuck with this job. Not even Fox will hire her. She's too obese, lacks charm, and lacks a reputation for veracity.

She can co-host her Daddys show.

What this means:

The FBI hasn’t just been investigating whether the Trump campaign worked with the Kremlin.

The FBI has ALSO been investigating whether Trump himself is an actual operative on behalf of Russia.

This is big.

Hmm. Trumpito Shitgibbon is a Russian operative?

So that means Putin's the one who shut down the US government.

Kinda puts this mishegas in perspective doesn't it?

so this makes Trump a target now, not just a subject

and that dumbass reaction statement from the ogress is as pathetic as ever

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Citing unnamed former law enforcement officials, the New York Times reported on Friday that the FBI opened the combined criminal and counterintelligence probe in May of 2017.

Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani dismissed the alleged investigation as baseless, pointing out that no evidence has publicly emerged in the 20 months since to support the idea that Trump is a secret Russian agent.

'The fact that it goes back a year and a half and nothing came of it that showed a breach of national security means they found nothing,' Giuliani told the Times.

Trump fired Comey on May 9, 2017, citing a letter from Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein that sharply criticized Comey's handling of the Hillary Clinton email investigation.

However, sources tell the Times that two events raised alarm at the FBI that Trump had fired Comey in an attempt to stifle their investigation into possible Russia election meddling.

The first was a draft of the letter Trump wanted to send Comey informing him of the firing, which the Times reports mentioned the Russia investigation.

The draft was never sent, after Rosenstein purportedly urged Trump to drop mention of Russia in the letter.

The final version of the letter that was sent, and made public, does mention the investigation obliquely, thanking Comey for 'informing me, on three separate occasions, that I am not under investigation.'

If Trump's lawyers get to redact much of Mueller's report on claims of executive privilege before it is released, it will be a very messy situation. Also, Whitaker and/or Barr gutting or withholding it will also add to the messiness.

One would expect the House Intelligence Committee, under Schiff, will subpoena the original and call Mueller to testify.

And the NYT and WP have their ways of getting their hands on such. The original will get leaked quickly.

Plus, expect more indictments. Some may happen post-report being released.

Trump's team are banking that the Supreme Court will side with them on process appeals.

That doesn't have to stop the House from pursing impeachment.

The second issue that reportedly concerned the FBI was Trump's May 11, 2017 interview with NBC News, in which Lest Holt pressed him on the timing of the firing.

'I was going to fire Comey - there was no good time to do it,' Trump said.

'And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself - I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should've won,' Trump continued.

Trump's detractors have taken this statement as proof that he fired Comey out of anger over the Russia investigation.

However, the President's supporters have said that he was indicating that he knew the timing of the firing might look bad, but decided to move forward with it anyhow because there was nothing behind the Russian collusion allegations.

Also fueling the FBI's concerns was Christopher Steele's 'dirty dossier' of unsubstantiated allegations, which had been funded by Democrats but at that point was justifying probes across the Justice Department.

In response to the events, according to the Times, the FBI began investigating whether Trump was a secret Russian agent.

That statement by Huckster Sanders is damn inflammatory. It does nothing to restrain Mueller's team, and if the investigators/prosecutors had any iota of empathy or deference for Trump remaining, Sarah's statement killed it. Intimidation, bullying, and lying have expiration dates, and thus protesting too much loses its effectiveness.

Rome is burning.

WTF FBI!

Welcome to the reality the rest of us have been stuck in since November, 2016.

Glad you could finally get with the rest of us.

Lawdy, depressed Miz Lindz won't have a casual weekend. She'll have to run to the Fox News B-team in a damage control endeavor. Will Kellyanne sit this one out?

Got to believe Steve Miller helped Sanders with that statement.

This is obviously one of the FBI cases Mueller inherited when he was commissioned. One of his objectives is whether or not any Americans or members of the Trump campaign helped the Russians.

No one on the left is disparaging Lindsey Graham for whatever his lifestyle choices are. But recent behavior raises the question of motive. If he’s been compromised because of personal choices he’s ashamed of & therefore is taking actions that undermine our laws, we need to know.

Ivanka Trump is reportedly under consideration to lead The World Bank

[quote]There's another angle to the Lindsay story -- the man lives to start and extend military conflicts.

The idea of all that sweaty muscle makes the senatrice’s lady parts go pitter pat.

The state of American democracy:

—A President who serves Putin

—A Sec. of Defense who serves contractors

—An EPA admin. who serves the coal industry

—A Sec. of HHS who serves pharmaceuticals

—A Sec. of the Interior who serves Big Oil

—A Sec. of Education who serves for-profit colleges

Ivanka as head of the World Bank?!?!?

Do they mean the world cheap shoe copy bank?

R207 you forgot to mention our "acting Attorney General who's being sued for scamming people

[quote]Also fueling the FBI's concerns was Christopher Steele's 'dirty dossier' of unsubstantiated allegations, which had been funded by Democrats but at that point was justifying probes across the Justice Department.

Is this from the right wing trash rag the Daily Fail, R198? That characterization of both the Steele memos and the DOJ inquiries screams “Fox News apparatus”.

Sarah Sanders should be in prison...she can work on the food line or doing laundry...not much chance to lie in those positions.

We all know that the Steel Dossier is correct, all that is missing is the video of lowlife Trump, peeing.

Anyone have a link to what Sanders' said? I can't seem to find it.

Or being peed upon, more likely, R212.

And my money's on the Senatrix's kompromat footage being interracial, intergenerational, or interspecies.

R213

She’s terrified of being Red Henned in perpetuity. And she will be.

Thanks, R215, but I meant, where was it actually posted?

It was a white House press release.

Found it:

I just want to see Sarah in prison, like the rest of them but what law did she break? Maybe she is just a filthy, lying pig?

Please god, I want to see Ivanka in prison without access to any 'beauty' products.

wait who the fuck decides who becomes the World Bank head? Surely no one who's not connected to Trump thinks it's a good idea to have Ivanka there

Just a few possible points for discussion.

Is it too early to surmise what Cohen's testimony before Congress will render?

Also, regarding the Senatrice: I recall as soon as the DNC was hacked by the Russians she was deeply alarmed that they could hack the RNC and was scared shitless.

If KAC worked with Cambridge Analytica, then she is working for Russia and Concorde. A Russian owned media company that is being investigated by Mueller.

Also of interest, exactly how did Hannity have Cohen as his personal attorney?. It can not be by coincidence. I heard it had to do with buying real estate...Trump related.

The corruption runs deep and wide. I tnink it will take YEARS to get to the bottom of it all, and that's why the House hearings beginning with Cohen next month. The shit that will come out will bury Dumps ass. I hope!

[quote] Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani dismissed the alleged investigation as baseless, pointing out that no evidence has publicly emerged in the 20 months since to support the idea that Trump is a secret Russian agent.

[quote] 'The fact that it goes back a year and a half and nothing came of it that showed a breach of national security means they found nothing,' Giuliani told the Times.

But there was good reason looking into HILLARY'S EMAILS again and again!

I want Trump to stroke out during the State of the Union address.

Clemson University's national championship football team is heading to the WH Monday. Did Miz Lindz fast pace that set-up?

Jim Carrey's new artwork.

Pushing Graham to the wall.

R200 ...and Trump is fiddling like a Motherfucker.

I haven't read the NY Times article yet but is the investigation ongoing or has it been concluded?

R229

The initial FBI investigation was handed over to Mueller.

R229 I think it was folded into the Special Prosecutor's investigation. There are so many branches to that damned investigation, and it seems as if it's become international in scope, that I can foresee it going on for years, even after the Trump White House is gone.

Do you think they've been looking into Saudi Arabia this entire time and it just came out after the Kashoggi murder, or were they blindsided?

I mean, the photo of Trump rubbing the palantir was enough to creep me the fuck out.

r210, just FYI I have r198 on ignore, which I usually do when I have pegged someone as a right wing troll.

OK. People. While reviewing my morning news feed on Twitter, I see that now, the White House staff is "concerned" because they're saying Trump is reluctant to re open the government and look like he is cooperating with the Democrats even AFTER he declares an emergency for his wall. In other words, he is thinking of declaring an emergency, and still not opening the government. At this moment I'd like to rip McConnell's face off.

I’m just glad we woke up not finding Trump started a war with North Korea or Montenegro, or another distraction.

Yet.

Oh way Ivanka will be world bank leader. she is so fucking stupid.

What has led you to believe that Trump makes appointments based on intelligence, R237?

Once you google the world bank and do some research on what it is they do, you will fully appreciate how outrageous this idea is of putting Ivanka there.

I think we should infiltrate rightwing sites with the suggestion that Dump show everybody just how serious he is about the sanctity of white America by putting up the money for the wall himself, from his very own billions, and beginning to build the wall himself, by hand, whether its "concrete-reinforced steel" or whatever you want to call it, a barrier. It's time for the Orange Komrade to show America just how alpha he is.

Reading that Ivanka is being considered for that WB role is just the latest "craziest thing evar" I've read. Will this shit ever stop? Last night I attended a concert that opened with Ives' "Variations on 'America'". Talk about a piece of music generating a flood of mixed emotions!

Republican Tom Nichols:

I still find it astonishing that we are in this situation because millions of voters were not in on the joke.

The shutdown isn't about the Wall or abut border security. It's about Trump losing the House and refusing to deal with Pelosi. So emergency powers, shut it down, etc. What's really scary about this is he can bypass the entire legislative process. At least he thinks he can. That's his goal. And the Extreme Conservatives in Congress and their donors, including the Kochs, all of whom are anti government, who are determined to starve government out of existence with outrageous tax cuts, will sit this out and do nothing. And when we are three months in and Social Security and Medicare are affected, then maybe people out here will see what Trump and the Extreme Right are really up to. This is no joke and the only hope we have is to continue to contact members of the Senate urging them to do nothing until they reopen the government. Put McConnell on his fucking knees. Make him look bad for not getting anything done. Trump shuts down government blocking programs and funds Congress has already voted on and approved. So let's shut the GOP Senate down and humiliate McConnell into doing his job.

SO BASICALLY IT'S , trump is 100% innocent of everything and it's only everyone around him that is bad? so that would make him the stupidest most clueless person of all time then wouldn't it? since it was HE after all who CHOSE all these people to surround himself with? so which is it president baby supporters? either he's as pure as the virgin snow and monumentally stupid OR??... and as far as comey and mccabbe being "partisan"? partisan to who???? THEY ARE BOTH REGISTERED AND AVOWED REPUBLICANS!!..

George Conway is getting even more pointed.

#245: and yet his wife, HIS OWN WIFE, keeps on working for this man her husband hates and disparages with a passion? is that how it works KAC?.. what kind of "person" works at a job for a boss that their own husband thinks this way about and does so publicly? she doesn't care what her own partner/husband thinks or feels? she can't get ANY other job? anywhere? what a whore she must be....

R102, Cher can, then, write a check. Her beaded curtain, at least, would be fabulous, but I am not paying.

i literally think trump wants to put the word TRUMP in monumental big letters on this wall and hope it stays there forever.. a monument to him, the ultimate power trip vanity project....

....and kickbacks from no-bid contractors?

I luv it!

Richard Painter tweet...

It's at times like this I return to my mantra: We have a 72-year-old man who will never be able to come back from all this. Ever.

R252 I just hope he lives to see prison.

The racist, ignorant scumbag ran for president and the people around him knew he was damn nuts...a man with no morals running our country. Deplorables win it.

I'm shocked that this bloated, overweight, unhealthy fucker has lasted two years into this extremely stressful job. He eats garbage fast-food, refuses to exercise, doesn't want to walk or climb stairs, and he's still here. We know that he obsesses about Mueller's investigation, which must be preying on his mind constantly. That kind of stress can't be good for anyone, let alone a 72-year-old man.

And, yet . . . nothing. I suspect that he is living on spite, hate, and evil alone. The fact that he can screw with so many peoples' lives must invigorate him.

[quote]I'm shocked that this bloated, overweight, unhealthy fucker has lasted two years into this extremely stressful job.

But it's not stressful for him. He Presidents for about two hours a day, and spends the rest of it drinking Diet Coke, watching Fox News, and tweeting.

Trump just Tweeted.....Elections have consequences!

Yes, and breaking laws and your Oath has consequences too, bitch.

Another commentary conjectures that because the FBI started an investigation on Dump after he fired Comey, the FBI obtained a FISA warrant which Mueller inherited.

How delicious to think that the FBI has audio recordings of every phone call His Orange Stupidness has made. If only.

Just a random thought about the above comments that Lindsey Graham must be compromised by sex tapes, etc. I have no doubt that he is gay but couldn't his weird comments and changes also be due to a fear of being exposed as part of the Russian shit show? Wasn't there 22 Senators or something?

Does anyone else think the NYT article about the FBI investigation could be an early and rare leak from the Mueller team starting to set the stage for their findings?

Maybe not a direct leak from Mueller, R261, but certainly a strong clue that trump will go down. It's just taking so damn long.

I posted in another thread, the NYT is also being used for Pay Ops. IC is goading him into bigger tantrums because the more his fat ass is kept off balance, the easier he will be to pin. Someone, somewhere, is sitting in a shitty federal office with cinderblock walls, drinking coffee from a paper cup, with a shit eating grin watching him Tweet this morning. That’s right, they’re poking the fucking FAT BEAR.

A spit-roasted Sénatrice, and the pee pee girls w/DJT, are two videos that would make delightful entertainment. There's got to be a couple of good laughs from the pain generated by this grand, sordid mess.

It is taking so long, I don't believe Trump will ever be brought to justice.

R259: Who needs FISA? The shitgibbon is using his unprotected iPhone. Mueller's people are hearing him at the same time the Russians do: real time.

R265: "The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine"

Give them time to do it right so that some other dotard doesn't rise in his place.

R259!!!!! Yes!!! I hadn't thought of that. A FISA Warrant. Not only that but if the Counter Intelligence division did that, then they have audio of Trump talking to people and...wait for it...they have the fucking Russians talking about Trump. OMG I'd love to hear those audios. And even more interesting?I'd bet that other countries have the Russians talking about Trump. I hope I live long enough for those recordings to be made public and we can listen to them mocking him.

R267, I have that cunt on block, you should too. Trolls are here people!!! Block block block block block.

Re R265, yes a bit frustrating. We want instant gratification. I don’t know anything personal about Mueller BUT I’d be willing to bet the farm that his ego would not stand unless he has the total and complete goods on Dump. Anything less would subject him to ridicule and mocking.

He ain’t gonna release his findings until they are airtight. And airtight and a direct kill they will be.

R270, you’re replying to a troll.

Mueller has not shown his cards. He may have irrefutable evidence that Spurs is a Puttie Poop asset.

Giuliani may hope it's all conjecture and explainable with lies, but Mueller has shared with Spurs legal team only what he cares to share, or the information is revealed from the prosecutions of other culprits in this saga.

There is an investigation into what extend, a U.S. President is working in behalf, and under the direct influence or control, of a long-time hostile foreign power.

In normal, past times, a House and Senate, regardless of party affiliations, would be moving at jackrabbit speed to remove/purge all Puttie/threatening foreign assets and other compromised individuals from any branch of government, particularly people with access to intelligence and are formulating and executing foreign policy.

And you have to remember that Mueller has taken down organized crime organizations and families.

There is nothing to show that he hasn't approached Trump in this manner.

There is much to show that he HAS approached trump in exactly this manner.

The thread titles have been right all along. It's fucking TREASON.

[quote]What has led you to believe that Trump makes appointments based on intelligence

Whoever may be nominated for the post has to be approved by the Board of Executive Directors. Ivanka may get nominated somehow, but she almost certainly would never be approved. Partly because she's utterly unqualified tor the position, and partly as a fuck you to Forrest Trump.

Streisand/Gaga 2020

I just finished listening to Maddow's show last night. She had some congressman on who pointed out that most of this stuff was shared with the house intelligence committee who took everything to fat Donnie.

Now that Nunes is gone and the democrats are running the show in the house, shit is starting to come out.

Think about that for a minute. Look at yourself in the mirror. If you donated, canvassed, wrote postcards, phone banked or pushed candidates on social media - YOU helped makes this possible.

It's true.

Psy ops or no, WE have given cover to get this shit in the open. All of us. E pluribus unum.

Agree R276. Ivanka can get nominated, but her experiences and education are extraordinarily shallow for such a post.

That's another thing I'm going to love -- when the last name has absolutely no value for Ivanka, Donald Jr. and the rest.

Soon, R255. Soon.

When she starts calling herself Ivanka Kushner, you'll know it's over.

Ha r282 indeed!

at this point we seem to know pretty much and are just waiting for the proof from Mueller.

What I want to know is what Trump has Shared with Putin. He has had 2 years to give him a Lot of secrets

R282 she can call herself whatever she wants. IN PRISON.

Putty may have received all the prime secrets of military/Defense, State Dept., Intelligence services, financial, contingency and policy secrets. and intelligence shared by allies. Such compromising could set the U.S. back maybe 50 years in the safety apparatus. Who knows how many intelligence agents and informants have been compromised if this is so?

R286: If Trump was a suspect of the FBI, I doubt everything was shated with him.

shated = shared!

That Trump Tower Moscow hotel will NEVER get built.

shated = sharted!

We'd hope that the intelligence community was able to shelter information from President Shitgibbon, but who knows.

They've proven themselves constantly to be massively incompetent boobs, so there's that.

Wow, a Rusian concern troll...

Федя, отпусти ситуацию!

R287, that's what I think, too. I believe or at least I hope that our Intel people held back. One thing I'm almost certain of, is that the international intelligence community that used to share information and work cooperatively with us, probably stopped doing that once Trump became POTUS. They were watching him from at least 201t5 and during his campaign.

Also agree that Mueller's case will be airtight. Mueller is old school. This is the President of the United States. So even if the occupant is a disgusting turd, Mueller will have respect for the office and he will want to go before the American people with an airtight case. Not to be taken lightly. He will show his proofs, he will be very specific and he will submit his charges in a clear narrative that connects everything.

I'm impatient because as R272 has said, in another time, with a different Congress there is no way Trump would have been allowed to occupy the White House for two damned years. They'd have run his ass out long ago.

[quote]Agree [R276]. Ivanka can get nominated, but her experiences and education are extraordinarily shallow for such a post.

You've obviously prejudiced, but it is worth noting her extensive experience in international money laundering.

This is a scary Twitter C-SPAN poll!

Voters are blaming Democrat Congress not Trump!

An unscientific Twitter poll. I'm shaking in fear.

A Twitter Poll made for a bunch of Boris Bots to spam. Yeah, not exactly scientific.

twitter is overrun with bots.

538 has the real deal.

Voters are blaming [bold] Democrat [/bold]Congress

Oh, really? Hmmm. The "Democrat" Congress? Why, how very revealing.

Even if it were correct, how do you think people will react when the Republican-led Senate doesn't vote...and doesn't vote...and doesn't vote...on the spending bills the House has already passed?

The spending bills that would end the shutdown.

Most Americans polled don't want the wall: only 28% of those polled answered that the border wall should be an immediate priority, while 19% replied it shouldn’t be an immediate priority, and 50% said it shouldn’t be a priority at all. Every single Congressperson whose districts include the US - Mexico border doesn't want the wall. Lots and lots of landowners on whose land the Wall would be built don't want the wall and will sue to stop it.

Humpty-Trumpty was set on building a wall,

But Humpty-Trumpty had a great fall.

All the king's horses and all the king's men

Couldn't put Humpty-Trumpty together again.

Every day in every way, Democrats need to go before cameras and show a bipartisan bill in the House has been passed to open the government and sent to the Republican Senate and there is no action. No other message than this.

I love when it proven Hillary Clinton was right...ALL ALONG.

The Clinton campaign put out this 6 min video about Trump/Russia A MONTH before the election....

Yes, R302. Hillary's sequel to "What Happened" could be very short:

[quote] Trump cheated. Russia helped. That's what happened.

The End.

Hillary Clinton was right about a lot of things. She correctly noted that Trump is "Putin's puppet" and she called out his supporters as Deplorables. History will prove she knew what she was talking about.

I was watching CNN earlier covering an interview with Mike Pompeo. Obviously, he was dismissive of the NYT story and claimed Trump was no asset of Russia. Asked twice if he, as then CIA Director, knew the FBI was investigating Trump about working in behalf of Russia against U.S. interests, his replies we're evasive: and saying smilingly with deceptive comfort, Trump has not done this.

Pompeo in the House was a Teaparty type and was openingly hostile to gay rights. He appears way too eager to please Trump on a number of fronts, I. e. N. Korea, Syria, border wall, etc.

Pompeo is part of all of this and is in bed with Russia.

[quote]r245: and yet his wife, HIS OWN WIFE, keeps on working for this man her husband hates and disparages with a passion? is that how it works KAC?..

Kellyanne Conway’s husband is being paid to act the way he does. It’s quite obvious when you think about the amplitude and frequency of his posts and the fact that you are NEVER, EVER allowed to ask her about this, she just EXPLODES.

[quote]Putin and Trump hated McCain so much Trump insulted him, mocked him, and ridiculed him for years, even while the guy was on his deathbed.

It wasn't insulting-insulting.

Instead of emailing the different spending bills on to the Senate each day, why are Nancy and that new gloriously diverse House leadership not marching together over to Mitch’s office, knocking on the door, and handing it to the Senate Majority Leader in person?

Every.goddamn.day.

Invite the cameras.

[quote]in the world did the bastards cut down the Joshua Trees?

The trees were in the way of the vandals' illegal offroading.

[quote]No one on the left is disparaging Lindsey Graham for whatever his lifestyle choices are.

Did Ken Olin just call Mis Linz's homosexuality a "lifestyle choice?"

[quote] "We have a core problem. We have a President without shame, who is backed by a party without spine, that is supported by a network called Fox News, without integrity," says author @tomfriedman, of Donald Trump.

More of this please. We need a steady drumbeat to force the Rethuglicans to get rid of tRump one way or the other: impeachment and removal or resignation. He is a cancer on this country.

Trumpty Dumpty had a great fall

McTurtle has the power to resolve the shut-down. Most Senate Republicans would vote for something similar (again) to the House version but fear opposing Trump. McTurtle won't advance a resolution in the Senate. Trump does not have to approve a compromise bill that is veto-proof.

I think it has been obvious that Russia not only corrupted Trump but also corrupted many in the House and in the Senate, Mitch McConnell for sure.

At this point Sarah Sanders is shitting herself...she will say anything, she is beside herself with fear.

exactly, r314.

Turtle won't bring any bill to the floor because he knows it will pass.

He knows it will PASS. The fucker is refusing to do his damn job because he is also afraid of that idiot base.

He has the votes to override the veto and refuses to do it.

I hope a few people in Kentucky will wise up about McConnell, he needs to be impeached.

Any of you bitches live in KY? I’ve been asking for a while now how we get him voted out!!!! I want Amy McGrath to run again, she just needed more coverage.

McConnell is despicable and he always has been, has he ever in his life ever done the right thing?? Not that I remember.

Does McConnell have any businesses or major assets? I'm just thinking of things I want seized when this is all done (like all Trump properties, everything belonging to NewsCorp ...).

STOP SAYING THINGS ARENT DONE BECAUSE OF "THE BASE".......IT ISNT THE BASE....ITS THE CORPORATE DONORS.

Do you honestly believe that Mitch McConnell is doing what hes doing because of a bunch of hilljack deplorables ? Dont delude yourself. MONEY DOES THE TALKING....LOTS AND LOTS OF DARK MONEY.

The Democrats should be investing resources into challenging McConnell in 2020. It seems futile at first glance BUT McConnell is the most unpopular senator in the country right now, and that includes low approval numbers from his own state. Considering what Beto did in TX, it's time for the Dems to think long-term about flipping KY.

R321 the base is their voters , particularly primary voters. Keep up

McConnell hasn’t announced whether he’ll seek re-election when his term is up in 2020. He’ll be 80 years old then.

No, but r321 makes a good point, I actually believe the truth lies in both his/her post and r323. The base votes for that them, but corporations control the agenda.

How do we get this fucking turtle out? I will give every dollar I can.

I wonder if Trump will use the shutdown as a way out. All he has to say is, either fund the wall or I'm out of here - dems don't fund the wall, then Trump resigns in "protest." Trump gets out of a job he hates, the Republicans rally around Pence, government workers get their paychecks, and Pence eases the tariffs, giving the base some relief. Trump goes back to his penthouse and tweets mean things about Pence.

I hope Mitch ends up in a nursing home and gets Mrs. Baylocked with an air syringe.

r277 Where the fuck did that VP pick come from and why? A handicapped narcissist who is a drug addict and cannot handle one ounce of criticism who needs validation nonstop and who doesn't even know who she is. I'm sick of her crazy fan base pushing in into every thread our of the blue. Streisand is infinitely more intelligent and isn't fucking crazy.

Lets see, he couldn't get his wall when the repugs controlled everything. Govt shutdown on total repug control. Now they control 2/3 and he still can't get his way. I saw on the View Meg Mc tried ONCE AGAIN to do the bothsideism (in the name of healing and coming together). NO! We are in this situation because everyone always "both sides" everything. 99.9% of the blame is squarely on the repugs. You don't shutdown the govt in order to get your way.

Fuck the sociopathic repugs. Is there ONE of them who isn't a sociopath? The party of sociopaths.

Well, the ones who aren't sociopaths are spineless wimps. They are afraid of tRump and his base coming after them. Oh, I'm not talking about McConnell and those folks -- they are complicit. They took money and help from the Russians just like Cheatolini did. I'm talking about the milquetoast Repuke Senators and Representatives you never hear about, but who quiver in the background afraid to ever cross Trumplethinskin for fear of angering him and his mob of deplorables.

Drama Queen

Anita Wall

[Quote] Not to worry. Tapes exist of the meetings, and they reveal Trump passing classified info and Putins orders. We can thank NATO for that.

r333 That would be like the greatest orgasm.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

President Donald Trump confiscated his translator's notes about at least one of his meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and order the linguist not to discuss the conversations with other top U.S. officials, a new report has claimed.

Citing unnamed current and former U.S. officials, the Washington Post reported on Saturday that Trump had taken extraordinary measures to conceal the contents of his meetings with Putin.

Trump has met Putin in person five times since assuming office, and the report claims that there is no detailed record of those meetings, even in classified files.

A White House spokesman disputed the Post's account and said that the Trump administration has sought to 'improve the relationship with Russia' after the Obama administration 'pursued a flawed 'reset' policy that sought engagement for the sake of engagement.'

Greg Miller just had this published on the Washington Post site (link too long) Part 1

"President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said.

Trump did so after a meeting with Putin in 2017 in Hamburg that was also attended by then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. U.S. officials learned of Trump’s actions when a White House adviser and a senior State Department official sought information from the interpreter beyond a readout shared by Tillerson.

The constraints that Trump imposed are part of a broader pattern by the president of shielding his communications with Putin from public scrutiny and preventing even high-ranking officials in his own administration from fully knowing what he has told one of the United States’ main adversaries.

As a result, U.S. officials said there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trump’s face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years. Such a gap would be unusual in any presidency, let alone one that Russia sought to install through what U.S. intelligence agencies have described as an unprecedented campaign of election interference.

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is thought to be in the final stages of an investigation that has focused largely on whether Trump or his associates conspired with Russia during the 2016 presidential campaign. The new details about Trump’s continued secrecy underscore the extent to which little is known about his communications with Putin since becoming president.

[A beefed-up White House legal team prepares for battle with special counsel]

Trump and Putin had undisclosed meeting at G-20

President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin on July 7 had an undisclosed meeting that followed a first conversation during the G-20 summit in Hamburg. (Bastien Inzaurralde/The Washington Post) Former U.S. officials said that Trump’s behavior is at odds with the known practices of previous presidents, who have relied on senior aides to witness meetings and take comprehensive notes then shared with other officials and departments.

Trump’s secrecy surrounding Putin “is not only unusual by historical standards, it is outrageous,” said Strobe Talbott, a former deputy secretary of state now at the Brookings Institution, who participated in more than a dozen meetings between President Bill Clinton and then-Russian President Boris Yeltsin in the 1990s. “It handicaps the U.S. government — the experts and advisers and Cabinet officers who are there to serve [the president] — and it certainly gives Putin much more scope to manipulate Trump.”

A White House spokesman disputed that characterization and said that the Trump administration has sought to “improve the relationship with Russia” after the Obama administration “pursued a flawed ‘reset’ policy that sought engagement for the sake of engagement.”

The Trump administration “has imposed significant new sanctions in response to Russian malign activities,” said the spokesman, who spoke on the condition of anonymity and noted that Tillerson in 2017 “gave a fulsome readout of the meeting immediately afterward to other U.S. officials in a private setting, as well as a readout to the press.”

Trump allies said the president thinks the presence of subordinates impairs his ability to establish a rapport with Putin, and that his desire for secrecy may also be driven by embarrassing leaks that occurred early in his presidency."

Greg Miller Washington Post - Part 2

"Both President Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke about Russian interference in U.S. elections at a news conference on July 16 in Helsinki. (The Washington Post) The meeting in Hamburg happened several months after The Washington Post and other news organizations revealed details about what Trump had told senior Russian officials during a meeting with Russian officials in the Oval Office. Trump disclosed classified information about a terror plot, called former FBI director James B. Comey a “nut job,” and said that firing Comey had removed “great pressure” on his relationship with Russia.

The White House launched internal leak hunts after that and other episodes, and sharply curtailed the distribution within the National Security Council of memos on the president’s interactions with foreign leaders.

“Over time it got harder and harder, I think, because of a sense from Trump himself that the leaks of the call transcripts were harmful to him,” said a former administration official.

Senior Democratic lawmakers describe the cloak of secrecy surrounding Trump’s meetings with Putin as unprecedented and disturbing.

Rep. Eliot L. Engel (D-N.Y.), the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said in an interview that his panel will form an investigative subcommittee whose targets will include seeking State Department records of Trump’s encounters with Putin, including a closed-door meeting with the Russian leader in Helsinki last summer.

“It’s been several months since Helsinki and we still don’t know what went on in that meeting,” Engel said. “It’s appalling. It just makes you want to scratch your head.”

The concerns have been compounded by actions and positions Trump has taken as president that are seen as favorable to the Kremlin. He has dismissed Russia’s election interference as a “hoax,” suggested that Russia was entitled to annex Crimea, repeatedly attacked NATO allies, resisted efforts to impose sanctions on Moscow, and begun to pull U.S. forces out of Syria — a move that critics see as effectively ceding ground to Russia.

At the same time, Trump’s decision to fire Comey and other attempts to contain the ongoing Russia investigation led the bureau in May 2017 to launch a counterintelligence investigation into whether he was seeking to help Russia and if so, why, a step first reported by the New York Times.

It is not clear whether Trump has taken notes from interpreters on other occasions, but several officials said they were never able to get a reliable readout of the president’s two-hour meeting in Helsinki. Unlike in Hamburg, Trump allowed no Cabinet officials or any aides to be in the room for that conversation.

Trump also had other private conversations with Putin at meetings of global leaders outside the presence of aides. He spoke at length with Putin at a banquet at the same 2017 global conference in Hamburg, where only Putin’s interpreter was present. Trump also had a brief conversation with Putin at a Group of 20 summit in Buenos Aires last month.

He's a Russian agent.

He's probably asking Putin to make witnesses disappear.

R320 McConnell is quite wealthy. He married Elaine Chao (current Sec. of Transportation). He is invested in the in-laws' international shipping business.

WTF is going on with Mueller? How much money has he spent on the investigation? IF he doesn't come up with anything good, then Trump will win 2020. Can he please hurry the fuck up? I want Jared to go to jail too.

^^^ shut up, Boris.

[quote] U.S. officials said there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trump’s face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years. Such a gap would be unusual in any presidency, let alone one that Russia sought to install through what U.S. intelligence agencies have described as an unprecedented campaign of election interference.

Wow. Color me surprised! We have a Russian asset in the White House.

I don't think it is just some random coincidence that these stories about his fealty to Putin are coming out now. I'd say it was being done to prepare the 60 percent of the country -- those who haven't lost their damn minds -- for his inevitable removal. The only question is who else will go down for treason right along with him.

UNFUCKING REAL r344

I hope intelligence has recordings of Trump's discussions with Putin. That Post story is scary.

r311, being rabidly anti gay while in the closet IS a lifestyle choice.

[Quote] Since March of 2016 specifically, I have been dealing w Trump/Putin/Trump Campaign/Kremlin/media/related group hacks because this shit matters to all of us. My kids, your kids, grandkids. There is deep, digital forensics record that will come out. Politics won't matter then.

We're concerned!

After closed door mtg with Putin, Trump took his interpreter's notes, told linguist not to reveal what had transpired to other administration officials. Pattern of concealing communications with Putin.

look, man, most of us who have been paying attention know this fucker is a goddam traitor.

When is Fux noise going report this? Hannity needs to have a gun held to his head as he reads that WaPo article verbatim on the air.

Until those brain dead retards at Fux start reporting the facts, there will still be 30% of the country that has zero clue what is going on.

r350, that was outrageous then and it is still outrageous now, but WHERE has the media been on this? They focused on it for about a week and then never mentioned it again. We STILL DON'T KNOW what Trump and Putin said in that private meeting! Think about that.

R352 no we don't. But based on Trump's behavior, his statements, his actions it's obvious that the tariffs, the trade policies, the nonsense with our allies in Europe, the Anti-Nato posture, the anti EU posture, his negative disruptive anti immigration stance, his anger at the sanctions, etc. even his animosity towards individuals like John McCain are all informed by his relationship with Putin and the oligarchs. Period. Announcing abruptly that he was pulling troops out of Syria? Pulling out of a treay with Russia about missiles, shit like that. He is Putin's operative here and everything he does including his ridiculous theater with North Korea, is designed to benefit Putin.

I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell doesn't run again, similar to Paul Ryan.

[quote] Did Ken Olin just call Mis Linz's homosexuality a "lifestyle choice?"

Since Graham isn't openly gay Olin called Graham being in the closet a lifestyle choice and he is right. Gays have the choice to either be openly gay or stay in the closet.

I'm hoping there will soon be a race to see who can spill the most beans in order to cut the best deal for themselves.

Get the interpreter in front of a House committee pronto!

YU know, if it looks like Trump is going to gain any ground at all, I have a feeling the leaks will come from the international intelligence community. I guess what I'm saying is even if those dumb asses suppress or redact or try to block anything, it's going to come out and soon. I think the only reason they've been holding back is because they are trying to let Mueller have his day. Complete his investigation. But those other countries are cooperating with the Mueller investigation, and with our own Counter Intelligence operations, and there is no way Trump can even begin to appreciate the enormous effort worldwide that is going in to taking him down. I believe that.

This seems like its planned.....like theyre preparing the public for whats to come. Think about it....WE HAVE ALL KNOWN THESE THINGS FOR OVER 2 YEARS....suddenly, the media is coming out and saying it after pussy footing around the subject when evidence has been right in front of them all along.

Yes, r358. I've been juggling a similar post in my head but I'm glad you made it first.

I suspect or hope there will be a convergence of forces that will give Humpty Trumpty a valuable lesson in vectors.

now we're doing call in talk shows. Trump called into Pirro's fox show tonight. Tells her that Cohen's father in law needs to be investigated.

He’s adopting a brave new PR campaign. On Monday, he’s going to stand outside the window at The Today Show holding up a sign that says "No Collusion!"

Hmmmmmm....all of your posts are showing as FF for me. Is Siberia getting warmer?

Famous American Saying: if you can’t stand the heat, get the fuck out. That’s for YOU Russia.

oh my, I bet the translators are in hiding...I would hope they wrote down what they heard in the meeting and put the paper in a bank vault somewhere or send it anon to NYT. or leak it to a friend of a friend who is a reporter or something...

Also, perhaps it's possible that we have moles in the Russia? who can tell the CIA the truth about the piss dossier? Maybe our friends in Mossad can help us?

What's happening to that case that was heard in the highest court of the land regarding the bank? They are just being fined X amt everyday?

I'm sure there's a completely innocuous reason Trump doesn't want his conversations recorded.

[quote] What's happening to that case that was heard in the highest court of the land regarding the bank? They are just being fined X amt everyday?

It was not heard by the U.S. Supreme Court. They turned down the appeal. The DC Circuit's decision stands -- allowing the fines to be imposed on the corporation unless and until they comply with the subpoena. So, yes, the fines keep multiplying each day they refuse to comply.

Are the translators still alive?

Riiiiiiiiight. Lots of legitimate reasons a President would do that, yes? We must DITCH MITCH. He’s AS big a traitor, if not worse. I need to see someone come for Mitch. I actually need that to happen.

The House needs to have the linguists testify NOW. Sorry for the caps.

Our President is a damned Traitor.

Wouldn't foreign intelligence agencies have been listening in on the Trump/Putin meeting? In this day and age I find it hard to believe that the only ones who know what was said in that meeting are Trump and Putin.

The Democrats need to keep hammering home the bipartisan bill agreed to by both the GOP and Democrats is ready to be signed by the President. They need to hit that point over and over again, that EVERYONE agrees to the plan to reopen the government......except Trump.

R333 The name of Steve McQueen's character in The Great Escape was Captain Hilts.

Have no idea what that means just that I think that every time I see that guys Twitter.

Does everybody know that Mitch McConnell's wife is Trumps Secretary of Labor! She sits on Trups cabinet.

Huge conflict of interest, always has been. But does the average person even know that? Maybe we should all hit Twitter with it.

I have to imagine those translators are in witness protection/the equivalent right now.

People on Twitter saying these NYT and Post article strongly suggest something big by Mueller is imminent.

Are these the kinds of people like Seth Abramson, the kind of people like Louise Mensch, or the "some people are saying" people?

Because I'd believe the first type, but none of the others.

Wait!!! Will I get a Certificate of Apology, printed on lovely ivory linen paper from DL and signed personally by Muriel, should the shit hit the fan in February?

I have a $10 bet with my brother that Junior Mint will be indicted by mid-February so I hope you are a perceptive troll, R379.

Has Trumpinski's translator been subpoenaed yet?

R377, I hope so. But wanna bet-- he will do something chaotic and dramatic to distract.

The Senate needs to apply pressure on Trump and McConnell for a vote. Forget Trump.

I predicted the Ides of March.

Ides of March The Ides of March is a day on the Roman calendar that corresponds to 15 March. It was marked by several religious observances and was notable for the Romans as a deadline for settling debts. In 44 BC, it became notorious as the date of the assassination of Julius Caesar which made the Ides of March a turning point in Roman history.

If the shutdown continues, it will ruin the US Economy and put the nation at risk. Trump doesn't care if that happens, he's only concerned about himself. Trump was/is the perfect foil for Putin. Putin uses people's weakness to get what he wants and Trump is aiding him in destroying the US whether is knows it or not.

There were protests last week but there needs to be MASSIVE protests to open the government and put pressure on McConnell and the Senate..

I believe that one of the biggest things on Putin's "shopping list" or his "To Do " ilist for Trump, was to uncover the network of intelligence both human and electronic that we have spying on him. The meetings Pompeo has had at CIA headquarters when he was CIA Director, with top Russian Intel people including some asshole Russian who was under sanctions and they had to get a waiver to let him in? That's gold! Putin would definitely want that information, the Who, When & How. Putin would also want to know the scope of our intelligence cooperation network. When Mueller can get so specific about how the Russians did certain things, and actually name names dates and times, etc. That pisses Putin off. So yes, Trump would have been trying to compromise our intel gathering capabilities, and blow our network open. Fortunately the Europeans are a lot smarter when it comes to Putin and they would have figured out the game and taken measures to block him or misdirect the information. Fortunately Trump himself is dumb, but he would send them to someone else. Which brings me to another important point: Anyone who is still with Trump knows exactly what he is. So they're all part of it. Pompeo, Mnuchin, De Vos, Wilbur Ross, McConnell, all those fuckers.

r385 I agree. Look into the face of your friends and you will see yourself.

Very insightful yet frightening post R385.

Was it Ken Olin who tweeted MAGA = Makes A Great Asset?

Please continue r385.

MeTV missed a great opportunity. They've been airing "Trackdown" on Saturday mornings for a while now and should have shown that episode mentioned at R344 this morning since it's currently in the news. But of course they didn't.

[quote]there is no way Trump can even begin to appreciate the enormous effort worldwide that is going in to taking him down

You think it's a coincidence he made a beeline for CIA headquarters within 214 hours of being sworn in?

January 21, 2017.

Is Lindsey Graham being held captive?

Blink if the enemy is holding him hostage.

After hearing yesterday's news about the FBI opening an investigation into rump after he fired Comey, and after witnessing the idiotic, narcissistic, repulsive behavior of rump for decades, I lost any respect I ever had for Putin. Actually, I never had any respect for Putin but what a ninny for counting on a numb-skull like rump to pull off his grand schemes. It's like watching the Two Stooges trying to take over the world. This can't last, folks. The Keystone Cops are in their dying days and the good guys are going to win. If I didn't believe that I would be in a catatonic coma because I am so upset watching this criminal shit go down.

Does anyone recollect during the Comey hearings that Repugs kept asking Comey if Dump was also being investigated (along with HER E-MAILS!), like the rupugs really had to make it clear that Dump was not part of it. The Russians needed to be calmed, me thinks. As it turns out, Comey didn't really know. Seems the FfF,BBB.Ii. actually were investigating his ass all along.

Trump and his family all ought to have their passports seized.

And Jeanine Pirro’s head should be on a skewer.

You cannot email him and when you call, his box is always full. He does not care about the voters of Kentucky at all, he is sewage.

McConnell

Anyone here an expert criminal procedure?

When it comes to the interpreter, he’ll likely claim either executive privilege or 5th amendment right against self incrimination, methinks.

But the 1st Privilege doesn't cloak criminal behavior, and the second’s been waived by virtue of his having told the interpreter

. . . not to mention Putin.

I saw a PBS documentary about Putin that talked about his rise to power and how he disarmed his enemies by stealth attack, tactics he learned from the KGB. His infiltration of our system is like a stealth attack, probably something he planned for years. The man is pure evil and Trump is his puppet. I don't know how the Russian people have allowed him to stay in power for years.

If there are 22 people in Congress who are compromised by Russia, maybe that's why Mueller is taking his time.

Russia or the world will never be safe until Putin is dead. He is pure evil, yet Trump loves him.

For two years I have known Trump was working for Putin...how come these news people are acting so shocked?

Does anyone remember the last days of the 2016 primary? Bernie Sanders was being crushed and hadn’t had any path to winning for 2 months, but still wasn’t conceding.

Obama invited Sanders to the White House, Bernie emerged looking downcast, and soon after he conceded and (temporarily) toned down his rhetoric. I say temporarily because Bernie Sanders was still dog-whistling people to vote for Trump a day before the general election on Twitter, as did his wife, and Bernie campaigned half-heartedly for Clinton, never once mentioning her name and achievements in all personality-cult rallies leading up to the general election. Well, he’s a sexist and thought she was “unqualified”, so I’ll just let that one go for now.

The point is, Obama told Sanders something in that meeting. I believe he told Sanders that Russia had compromised the election, including Sanders’ own campaign. And I believe too that Sanders felt this hacking was all “for the greater good” — he is an immature socialist (I am one myself; this is not a critique of socialism) with the near-“burn it all down” attitude of college sophomores. Sanders does not distinguish between the hyper-capitalism of Putin and the Soviet Union, and places both on a pedestal (he supports non-functioning states such as Venezuela just because of socialism and even where it hurts “the people”; he honeymooned in the USSR in the 1980s, which was almost unheard of).

I think Bernie Sanders therefore is a “fellow traveller”. He knew Tad Devine’s pro-Putin background when Devine was hired as Sanders’ campaign manager. In the last decade, Sanders has voted twice to remove sanctions against Russia. Sanders is explicitly tied to the NRA, who themselves are tied to Putin. Sanders’ former campaign manager Tad Devine was inducted by Mueller as a cooperating witness and is currently informing on his former business partner Paul Manafort. Like Jill “Putin dinner” Stein, Sanders was a spoiler candidate who used far-right rhetoric and outreach to “whiteness” under the guise of progressivism to make Trump’s election more possible.

Sanders is likely dirty. I hope people start discussing this SOON, because he is part of the puzzle, and the longer his fans (including Seth Abramson) sit on their hands and whine, or stick their heads in the sand and ignore the fact that Sanders himself likely is involved, the longer it will take this festering Trump pustule to burst.

As per the interpreter, I am in the parallel profession of translation. As stated in the WaPo article, diplomatic interpreters have very strict codes of practice that include confidentiality and neutrality. I consider them the "elite" linguists because they train thoroughly and intensely to achieve that. It is not an on-the-fly profession, and if they break that confidentiality or neutrality themselves or are forced to, they could ruin their careers forever. I'm personally hoping that the interpreter(s) in question are not hauled into the spotlight and that there is enough evidence gathered elsewhere that they can continue to just do their jobs.

Let's see what DT defenders show for the Sunday morning talk shows.

Madamè Lindzee and Kelly Anne were unusually quiet earlier for the weekend. Pompedoo was out there Saturday as awkward as it sounded,

Sarah, w/Miller, aggressive, reactionary statements from the WH were to be expected.

The cowardly obstructionist, McTurtle, has his head withdrawn into his shell. The SML needs to be out there explaining his actions, or lack of, in getting a re-opening of the government bill through the Senate, and working with the House to do so. He can resolve this almost immediately. Schedule a vote.

I want to see how Chris Christie handles this on ABC. I thought his last statement on Trump, that Trump was like your 72-year-old stubborn uncle, was telegraphing how the establishment was going to talk to the base - yeah, you elected Trump to be a disruptor, but forget that image of him on the Apprentice - he's really like your stubborn Uncle Jim-Bob who shouldn't be driving but won't listen to you.

A huge story comes out on Friday and no one to cover it over the weekend. That is simply not right.

The thing is though who takes their stubborn Uncle Jim-Boob or their cooky, nonsense rambling Aunt Mabel serious? You really want them to have the power to govern YOUR life by being POTUS?

Huh, R408 and R409.

I think that's the point R409. The establishment is telling Trump voters that Trump was elected to be a disruptor and did what disruptors do … but now Trump has wandered into Uncle Jim-Bob and kooky Aunt Mabel territory, which suggests he needs to be replaced. This is the exit ramp for Trump voters... the establishment doesn't want to tell them that they were idiots for voting for Trump in the first place, which might cause Trump voters to double down... instead, Trump voters can console themselves that they weren't wrong for voting for Trump in the first place, Trump just got old and stubborn. At least, I think that's the line that Republicans are going to take.

Sorry, I can't get behind a comparison of Trump with some crazy uncle. He's committed crimes. He broke the law. His lunatic supporters have to face that. Comparing him to your crazy uncle seems too benign. It makes him seem like a "basically good dude who has become too eccentric to be left on his own."

At some point the coverage of his lawlessness and corruption has to saturate the news media, including Fox, in such a way that in a few years, you will rarely find anyone who supported Trump out here who is willing to admit it. I know right now that seems unrealistic, but it will happen if there is a concerted effort by all the media, including Fox.

Now I know the outliers like Rush, Pirro, Ingraham, Jones, and the blonde beast who shall not be named, will refuse to go along with this, but here's the thing. We have always had those extremists, there are fringe people both on the air and in our own communities. If they're deprived of oxygen many of them will crawl back under their rocks.

In fact, I believe there were a lot of first time voters who supported Trump who will walk away pissed off at the world, his "grievance voters".So I think our task is to keep pressuring the media and members of Congress. We have to just make a stink, raise hell. Get in their faces...figuratively speaking.

Great post R404.

[quote] The establishment is telling Trump voters that Trump was elected to be a disruptor and did what disruptors do … but now Trump has wandered into Uncle Jim-Bob and kooky Aunt Mabel territory, which suggests he needs to be replaced.

Still seems rather embarrassing since one of the anti-Hillary talking points was that she was too old to even try to become POTUS? Now supposedly Trump has turned into an old fool practically overnite in his first term? No Deplorable can save face in any way shape or form when Trump isn't fit to finish his one and only term. They have to admit that they were betting on the wrong horse and that makes them look stupid and inferior.

Trump supporters will either not accept the truth or try to convince themselves Hillary would have been just as corrupt and bad as Trump is anyway. They won’t accept any responsibility either way.

Bingo, R414, and I've already started hearing that from a few I work with. "We had no real choice, Hillary was so corrupt!"

In one week Trump will cross the two year threshold. At that point, Mitch can safely swap him for Pence. Why? Because Pence can then be eligible to run for president for two full terms. Mitch skittered out of town this weekend like a cockroach, knowing full well that these two stories were about to hit.

He must be absolutely delusional if he thinks Pence is electable as president, but there it is. If this theory pans out, expect him to expel Trump after this week. This means Trump gets cut loose with no deal and will not get a Pence pardon unless Pence loses in 2020. That pardon again, will only be for Fed charges. Trump will spend the rest of his life in prison.

R415, should ask them, what exactly was this 'corruption' and where are the receipts?

How would McConnell force Trump out? I would imagine even if he was impeached and convicted, he would have to be physically removed (probably with multiple Marines having to carry him) from the White House, kicking and screaming the entire time.

He will not go willingly. Not even for Ivanka.

I think the GOP can’t lose Trump’s fan base. They will keep going along with him unless that changes.

Mitch will just tell Trump that they have the votes to impeach him and that he can leave under his own terms if he just leaves.

Trump will make up some story about leaving for health reasons. They are already laying the groundwork to do so.

Nothing matters more to Mitch than losing his majority in the house and he is in jeopardy of losing just that right now. He was on some damage control mission this weekend. The polls are all blaming the GOP for this shut down. I'm hopeful that there might be an indictment for him wrapped up in the NRA investigation, but who knows. Never underestimate Mitch to play the long game.

Trump hates the job, so they just have to persuade him to leave in a way that Trump thinks saves face. So Trump says if the Dems don't fund the wall, he'll resign in protest - it's all or nothing. Or he pulls a Sarah Palin and says that the liberals are making it impossible to do his job, so he's stepping down, and he'll keep fighting from the private sector.

R416 McConnell would be 90 by the time Pence serves two years plus two terms. He'd be fortunate to still be around as would Sheldon Adelson, the Koch Bros, and Robert Mercer. Daughter Rebekah won't be any kind of spring chicken either. Tick-tock. Very doubtful, though, Pence will ever get elected again to any state-wide or federal office.

Maybe they think it all goes with them wherever.

R419 The Republicans got beaten badly in November. Prospects for the Senate in 202 look bad. Anyone who assumes the "mechanisms" that they had in place to win in 2016, and to a much lesser degree in 2018, will still be in place in 2020 is deluding themselves, admittedly a practice familiar to Republicans. So they have a base, but the base is shrinking more every day. The Republican Party as it is constituted today is a small fringe party. They only win through trickery. That was the message of 2018 for the Republicans. The base is shrinking and you can't win elections by appeasing the base and ignoring the rest of the country. Democrats write off a segment of the population they know will never vote with them. Well, so do Republicans, and they a re now faced with a lot more people not supporting them. I don't think Mc Connell will personally turn on him but Mc Connell will tell him that the other members of the Senate won't. It was evident last week that Trump cannot hold the Senate. They are ready to vote and McConnell will not be able to stop it for too long. He's good at saying no. He's one of those passive/aggressive Southerners. If he is faced with a complete rebellion he will simply walk away and let it happen. The biggest immediate problem we have here is Egos. Trump & Mc Connell needs to figure out a way to save face in spite of the fact that there is no win in this. If I were Trump, I'd announce that I was deeply concerned for all the hardship this was causing good, decent federal workers. (There are some bad ones too, but what can you do!) And for that reason he is going to reopen the government, but he is going to set aside the whole wall issue and will not move one bit. He is determined to get his wall funding., so he will be open to negotiating with the Dems for that but shame on the Democrats for all the harm they have caused during this shutdown. Now this is the same deal Pelosi offered him, but he will not admit that. He will act like it's his idea to rescue our government. If Jared, or someone inside can frame it that way it might work. It's not like he has never lied before or owned something he had nothing to do with.

Regarding saving face and allowing him to leave voluntarily, can anyone else see a health scare scenario being created for him to ease his departure amidst public sympathy? Heart attacks can be difficult to prove and his enablers are proficient spinners. Lying presidency from beginning to end.

But...but we were assured that he was the healthiest president ever!

R424, if he saw no other way, yes, he'd develop an illness that would allow him to resign to recover. And he'd get his pardon too, because they would look really mean if they didn't pardon a sick man.

[quote][R419] The Republicans got beaten badly in November. Prospects for the Senate in 202 look bad.

They also can't gerrymander the Senate. A fair map would likely have increased the Democrats' total pickups to somewhere north of 50.

I think McConnell wants Trump out. So he prolongs the shutdown, persuades Trump to get out of Dodge one way or the other (a pardon if he leaves peacefully, impeachment if he sticks around), and once Trump is out, President Pence "orders" McConnell to reopen the government, making Pence look like the good guy. That gives Pence (and Fox) over a year to work on uniting the Republican base to turn out, while Democrats are cannibalizing each other during the primaries. I do think Pence will have a primary competitor, one who won't strongly attack him or weaken him... just somebody the party has in reserve in case Pence goes down too.

[quote] I would imagine even if he was impeached and convicted, he would have to be physically removed (probably with multiple Marines having to carry him) from the White House, kicking and screaming the entire time.

Tranquilizer dart. The kind they use on elephants.

My prediction.

He’ll claim he’s re-opening the government so that border patrol agents, who protect us from the brown hordes, can be paid.

He will also announce that he is not going to sign the debt ceiling increase unless the wall is first addressed .

FACT...because of Trumps criminal and possibly treasonous conduct, HE WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED TO RESIGN AND WALK AWAY. This is not some second rate criminal bungling a break-in. These are crimes against the United States and our national security.

I think the dialogue will switch next month when Cohen testifies. Maybe Dump will have a heart attack or something. I hope the shutdown ends soon enough to pave the way for the truth to begin since talking about any wall will come to an end.

I think McConnell went home for a reason, the reason being that whatever dirty deal he is doing, he doesn’t want to do it under the scrutiny in Washington.

It’s not likely he’s just at home sitting on his hands doing nothing. He’s probably calling people trying to get something done. The question is, who are the people? His Russian handlers? It’s not likely it’s Trump, he would be screaming about it all over Twitter.

[quote]It’s not likely he’s just at home sitting on his hands doing nothing.

He drew up into his shell because he feels threatened.

I just had a thought. Maybe McConnell is quietly talking to Jared Kushner or Ivanka begins the scenes, trying to get Trump to stop the shutdown. If he is, it’s not working, since it was leaked that Kushner was against it and here we are anyway.

What he should do is call Miss Nancy and have her get the votes to override Trump’s veto. That’s his job. Any possibility of that happening behind the scenes?

[quote]What he should do is call Miss Nancy and have her get the votes to override Trump’s veto.

That would be Kevin McCarthy's job. She already has her contribution.

[quote]Any possibility of that happening behind the scenes?

He won't move against Trump unless he's decided not to run for reelection. Trying to win against a strong Democratic challenger is an easier fight than being primaried from the far-right.

Turtle is keeping his shell down. He’s hoping that the dotard’s lies, evasions and offered redact versions of Putin meetings will eventually cause about a third of his caucus to vote to re-open.

The Russians used our racist ways against us and we voted a man into office who cares nothing about our democracy or our constitution. Right wingers never like Democracy anyway. I believe that this could be a good time to go to war to protect our country.

Lindsey is back on Fox News Sunday morning after a day away from speaking to the national media. Lindsey must have successfully treated the depression.

Lindsey wants to be the broker on closing the shut-down. Well Lindsey, maybe you need to use your convincing skills on McConnell, who could have it resolved tomorrow.

I watched the Miss Lindsey interview. She has sloppy oral skills.

I dont know about anyone else who uses Twitter, but over the past 3 days Ive had about 60 people follow me from middle eastern countries....a high number considering i usually get 3-4 follows a week.

R440, I wish he'd improve those skills on a dueling pistol.

Do you think other countries aren't exploiting the America people? It isn't just Russia.

WhatTheHell, R443?

This is a mess. Mitchell hates mess. That's why he's gone home. He just can't stand mess.

(He wants to distance himself from this debacle. He knows he can't avoid the media scrutiny in DC, but he can buffer some of it in Kentucky.)

I watched part of ABC's Sunday program. It was kind of a downer. Jan Karl said that his contacts were telling him that the Mueller report is going to be anticlimactic. Chris Christie said that Trump should embrace the NYT story because it supports Trump's argument that the rogue FBI was targeting him because they had a grudge. Donna Brazile would have usually pushed back, but she wasn't there. Instead, the fill-in Democrats were so polite, nobody pushed back. Heidi Heidkamp got in a dig that all the moderates, who would have kept the government open, are now gone.

I don't suppose the intelligence community/Secret Service could pull a "Scandal"? Remember that episode where the agent patted Fitz's son on the shoulder? His ring was secretly a syringe carrying a quick-acting strain of meningitis.

He didn't answer his friend Jeanine Pirro's question if he'd ever worked for Russia.

His friend Pirro's question.

On Fox News.

Yesterday.

Those pictures of Trump with Putin at R447 and R448 say it all. Wow. Just, damn. And Trump looks so grotesque too.

[quote]Daughter Rebekah won't be any kind of spring chicken either.

At least when she dies her skull can be used on Easter Island.

R449, when we watch such things in movies and on TV it seems so simple.....and then there's Putin poisoning people at will all over the place....

[quote] Jan Karl said that his contacts were telling him that the Mueller report is going to be anticlimactic.

Of course, Jonathan Karl has no way of knowing what is or is not going to be in that report. Mueller has run an extremely tight-lipped operation. We find out what he wants the public to know on his timetable without leaks.

[quote] Chris Christie said that Trump should embrace the NYT story because it supports Trump's argument that the rogue FBI was targeting him because they had a grudge.

Ah, more pearls of wisdom from that bloviating, beached whale of a gas-bag. Though apparently that is precisely what tRump is doing -- going after the "rogue FBI agents" who hate him. That, of course, is not the way that the FBI works, and Christie knows that (tRump doesn't either know or care). You don't lightly start a counter-intelligence probe into the sitting President of the United States to revenge a grudge or on a whim. He should be ashamed of himself for even suggesting that, except Repukes have no shame whatsoever at all.

R447, R448,, wow....those pics speak volumes.

Caption: "He's my bitch!"

Who is Jan Karl and what contacts does he have?

Jonathan Karl, guest host of Sunday Morning on ABC. I'm sorry, but right now, I don't have a lot of trust in broadcast journalists. They're all still in speculative mode. Also, I have to smirk at Heitkamp calling out the lack of moderates. She's right, but it's become her lead talking point post-election.

Thanks r447, r448

It will be interesting to see if Trump adopts that posture in other situations.

Jonathan Karl on ABC this morning did indeed get the concern troll inside me to the surface.

AOC getting DRAGGED for praising Trump while she bashes CBS!

[quote]the rogue FBI was targeting him because they had a grudge

What was this grudge supposed to be?

Reminder - Russian trolls get paid double for the following mentions:

AOC Pelosi Schumer RBG on her deathbed Megan Markle hate Trans hate Hilary running again Debbie Wasserman Schultz “I wish Mueller would hurry up” Obama (if only Obama had, we wouldn’t be in this mess) Calls to revolution -violence will be necessary. I’m concerned that this will all be a big nothing and we’ll see him get a second term. The “dems” Libs SJWs

The FBI hated him because he was just so super awesome. Oh and because he had such large hands.

Jan Carl is a reporter for Entertainment Tonight

Russian Trolls are PRO-AOC, fomenting dissent amongst Democratic voters.

AOC, like Bernie, is a Russian plant.

MAYBE not a plant, R465.

But like Bernie, copious, Russian online support.

I assume that the "grudge" was for firing Jim Comey who the FBI agents like.

But, that doesn't hold up under the most minimal scrutiny because the FBI began investigating tRump not for the firing per se, but because of tRump's stated reason for firing him: to end the Russia investigation. He told Lester Holt on national television that he thought that the "Russher - Trump thing" was a just fiction and getting rid of Comey was a way to stop it. Mind-numbingly stupid. So, you're trying to end an investigation by firing the investigator. As if that doesn't look suspicious.

Oh, there's something there.

I believe the Trump Tower meeting with Jr. and the now indicted Veselnitskaya was recorded by a former FBI operative who just happened to be the interpreter, Anatoli Samochorno.

This is the evidence they are using against Jr. in order to indict him, and if in fact the meeting was recorded and Trump called in, that could be what they will use to force him out of office.

Russian adoptions my ass.

Let's hope Jonathan Karl will have egg on his face at some point soon.

It's hard to imagine Mueller hasn't found anything Russia related and I'm really hopeful that the news stories of the last few days are indeed harbingers of big news to come.

[quote]praising Trump while she bashes CBS!

I didn't see any Trump praising in the original tweet.

And she's right, there's no one black pictured on that initial CBS team although there are names generally considered Middle Eastern, Hispanic, and Asian. I wonder how she's tallying the representation of GLBT people, those with disabilities, atheists, people who suffer from fibromyalgia . . .

That tweet at R460 is shit.

And she's right.

I read an article in today's news about the trump administration's plan to moving forward with privatizing much of the work of the Veteran's Affairs Department, throwing tens of thousands of cruelly injured veterans of terrible wars onto the mercy of the private medical sector. The Koch brothers and other right-wingers are behind it. If it happens it will raise the common person's taxes while the billionaires enjoy their tax cuts and off-shore accounts.

This makes me sick for so many reasons. These veterans were injured while defending their country or fighting needless wars. The government that sent them there they should damn well take care of them. Try navigating private sector health care as a non-veteran, it's bad enough, especially when it comes to catastrophic injury or disease or old age. All this while they still contrive to cut the ACA, Medicare, and Social Security.

The evil of trump and his allies knows no bounds. Yes, trump is a liar, a buffoon, a crazy uncle, but he's nasty and evil through and through.

Yeah R472 I'm sure many of them voted for him too. Cheeto had a lot of military support. Fools.

Of course veterans and military families vote Republican, because the Republicans are war mongers insisting that brutal force is the one and only solution to solve problems.

Thank you R465 and R466. Exactly. They are going to try their damndest to divide and smear. But remember. The Republicans were experts at smearing and disrupting and manipulating and even backing people that would do their dirty work for them for years before Russia discovered the internet. So not all the trolls who come here are Boris and Natasha. They may be Jethro and Sally Mae from Paducah! and they time their trolling between Bible study classes.

I like the suggestion above where Nancy and Chuck are televised walking the bi-partisan House approval to re-open the government over to McConnell every fucking day.

And every fucking day call attention to the fact that there are likely votes in the GOP senate to overturn any possible presidential veto.

And every fucking day re-declaring that Mitch has no justifiable reason to avoid bringing this proposal to a vote in the Senate.

And every fucking day calling attention to the fact that McConnell’s refusal to bring it to the floor for a vote is HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS.

The article linked at R471 is racist nonsense that inadvertently shows why a media that is too much of any one group ends up spewing bullshit. It also shows why SJWs are going to be the end of us all. Morons.

[quote] What he should do is call Miss Nancy and have her get the votes to override Trump’s veto. That’s his job. Any possibility of that happening behind the scenes?

You're not the brightest bulb, are ya? Yeah, I'm sure McConnell is just righteously waiting for the House Democrats. If McConnell let the vote go to the floor, it would pass. Trump can pretend he'd veto it but he wouldn't dare. And, if he did, there are enough votes to override the veto. McConnell is protecting Trump for his own gain. He's as criminal as Trump.

The author in r471s link, Michael Harriot, writes this

[quote]And unlike white sororities and fraternities, joining a black Greek-letter organization is not just a college activity, you belong for life. You get recognition, the mutual respect of members, powerful connections, lifelong affiliations and great parties.

One wonders that the writer imagines "white" sororities and fraternities are like if he thinks members just walk out of them on graduation day and never look back.

Or why he didn't bother to ask someone in a "white" one about their Greek experience on campus . . . perhaps one of the many black men and women who belonged to one in college.

Guarantee he knows black people who belonged to a "white" house in college. It's 2019.

Funny in a worthwhile story about how journalists need to have knowledge of the things they are covering.

oh, the Mueller report will be big big big!

Just what we know so far in the last two weeks is enough to recognize that. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

We have Manafort's failed redaction filing showing how he was giving internal polling data to his Russian handler (to target certain states/demographics?)

And we also have the judge in Flynn's case (who can see what was redacted on Flynn's paperwork) asking in full court, in front of God and everybody, if Flynn can be charged with treason.

The word "treason" has made it out of our fevered swamps and into the MSM.

If you don't think this is YUGE, you haven't been paying attention.

I AM CALLING FOR THE RESIGNATION OF SENATE MAJORITY LEADER MITCH MCCONNELL for AIDING AND ABETTING A KNOWN FOREIGN ASSET.

AFTER BRIEFING, AS A MEMBER OF THE GANG OF EIGHT, HE WILLFULLY AND PURPOSELY PROTECTED SAID ASSET AND KEPT INFORMATION FROM THE CITIZENS OF THE U.S.

McConnell is also in dereliction of his duties as one of the heads of a separate branch of government, specifically designed to act as a check on the Executive. By saying that he won't bring a vote to the floor on any bill that Trump won't sign, he's no longer performing his constitutional duties. And this, of course, isn't the first time. Merrick Garland was a giant fucking sign that McConnell was more criminal than Senatorial.

Mueller is a RICO prosecutor who has a history of taking down large criminal enterprises. In all of his investigations he never issued a blanket report. If you read his indictments, you will see that each one is a stand alone report with detailed explanations.

Leads me to believe that Mueller will not release a singular report but will issue new indictment and unseal indictments.

THAT is when the shit will hit the Trump World fan.

Not unless something breaks thru the trumptards bubble, r482.

Most of these idiots act like Hillary is president with their constant "emails" and "Benghazi "shit.

[quote] Leads me to believe that Mueller will not release a singular report but will issue new indictment and unseal indictments.

Submitting a final, all-encompassing report is part of his duty as a Special Prosecutor. It's not optional. A final report would have no bearing on additional indictments or the opening of the tons of sealed indictments already filed with the court.

Ât this point all the Muller report will do is officially confirm what we already believe to be true. Like when an entertainment magazine confirms all the gossip about so-and-so being gay by covering so-and-so's official coming out.

Bears mentioning that, ultimately, Putin isn't the one pulling the strings here.

Semion Mogilevich is.

As the "boss of bosses" of the Russian mob, Mogilevich was the one who forced Yeltsin to resign in 1999, and established Putin as the mafia's front man.

Turnip is a Russian mafia asset. Has been for decades.

I think Mueller will make sure that all the prosecutions are already filed with trials underway when he issues the final report. There might actually be nothing to see in the report because he will make sure it is already all out in the public view before the final report is issued. It will just be a summary of finding already being processed through the court system.

Thanks for that post R404. You reminded me of something.

Something I've been suspicious as fuck about and haven't been able to let go of as being meaningful is that little trip Bernie took to the Vatican to stalk the Pope. Remember the odd trip in the middle of his campaign that he lied about and said he was invited to and then illegally used campaign funds to charter a private plane (something the corporate elite do) and take his entire family to?

I've always found that just as suspicious as Ivanka's little jaunt with her BFF Wendi.

I know at the time everyone assumed that he was doing it to try to get an endorsement of the Pope (or at least the appearance of one) but I'm not sure if there weren't other reasons?

I'm a little fuzzy on the details so I'm wondering if anyone else remembers at what point in the Primaries did this trip occur? In retrospect is there anything we can link that trip timing wise that would make it seem odd?

And who else was there at the same time? Is it a possibility that the trip was used as a method for him to meet a handler?

The idea that Putin takes orders from somebody warms my cold, cold heart. *No one* is indispensable.

[quote]I've always found that just as suspicious as Ivanka's little jaunt with her BFF Wendi.

I don't think the Pope was giving his a suitcase full of cash from Putin.

r490 I don't think that's what he meant. Bernie could have met anyone there out of the vision of Americans

Oh God, yes please, let’s throw the Vatican into the middle of all this intrigue. Can you imagine?

[quote] I don't think the Pope was giving his a suitcase full of cash from Putin.

I mean why not? Generally, I mean. The Catholic Church is a criminal organization, full of pedophiles and perverts and richer than any of us could even begin to imagine. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Vatican was thick with mafia corruption.

Oh, the Vatican Bank lives to launder money. I just don't think the Pope was Putty's Man in Havana.

This GIF says it all.

It was in mid-April of 2016, R488 and Bernie more or less ambushed [italic]Il Papa[/italic] in his residence at the Vatican AT 6AM. Bernie and Jane were staying there while he was attending a conference (imagine, in the middle of the hard-fought Presidential primaries) at the Vatican accompanied by, among others, developmental economist Jeffrey Sachs.

Can you imagine the TERROR in Donald's eyes when he realizes the tranquilizer cartridge is being aimed right for him?

R452 lol. That's a very good one. WW

The thing is, Trump seems to take pleasure in doing Putin's bidding. It certainly does not bother him to upset our country or to cause problems around the world. Trump is a monster.

Has it sunk in that our president is an agent for Russia.

R418 is right. Trump will not go quietly.

Didn't Trump insist that Rosenstein told him that he was not a target of the Mueller investigation?

[quote]Let's hope Jonathan Karl will have egg on his face at some point soon. It's hard to imagine Mueller hasn't found anything Russia related

Karl was specifically saying there would be no smoking gun on collusion. But I switched the channel to Meet the Press and an NBC contributor was saying exactly the opposite.

So nobody knows anything. Except Mueller, and he ain't telling. Yet.

Semion Mogilevich

R502, so? Trump says other presidents have told him they want the wall. Do you believe that?

Newsweek: Legendary journalist Carl Bernstein has said that he’s been told that special counsel Robert Mueller’s report will show how President Donald Trump helped Russia “destabilize the United States.”

“Look, Trump keeps going back to the idea we need better relations are Russia,” Bernstein continued. “Could be. He could well be right. But from a point of view of strength… rather, he has done what appears to be Putin’s goals. He has helped Putin destabilize the United States and interfere in the election, no matter whether it was purposeful or not.”

“And that is part of what the draft of Mueller’s report, I’m told, is to be about,” Bernstein said. “We know there has been collusion by [Michael] Flynn. We know there has been collusion of some sort by [Paul] Manafort. The question is, yes, what did the president know and when did he know it?”

[quote] The question is, yes, what did the president know and when did he know it?”

The last time I heard that it was about another republican president.

[quote]Didn't Trump insist that Rosenstein told him that he was not a target of the Mueller investigation?

Could be true though. Rosenstein might have said that and it could totally be right --- Drumpf isn't the TARGET of the investigation. The target of the investigation is whether or not someone is colluding with Russia. The fact that Drumpf is the person that ends up being the center of it is an entirely different thing.

R508 is correct. The Dotard did say something along those lines. But, if you paid close enough attention to the weasel words that he used, the statement was so full of holes you could drive a truck through it.

It was very much like the WH statement about Friday's NY Times story. According to this cabal of liars, the investigation went "nowhere." But, the investigation was handed over to Mueller, so we don't know where it went yet.

Any media figure claiming Mueller's report will be anti-clmatic is being speculative like the rest, or is deceptively trying to spin in favor of Trump.

Nevertheless, anti-climatic would not necessarily mean a lack of substance or a delaration there are no major crimes noted there-in that are subject to prosecution and indictments. Anti-climatic may imply there are no new shocking revelations beyond what is already known.

I believe somewhat different. The Mueller report has over two years of collected content by a seasoned investigative team. There's already been major indictments, inclusive of pleas that will provide witness testimonies against other big fish in the complex saga. The report will be presented in legal language, not flowerly or entertaining with emotion.

I expect it will damning about DJT's behavior, and that of certain family members and cohorts such as Stone among potentially a bunch outside the administraion and senior roles that were in the campaign structure. Likely there will be additional content about Russian operatives and their methodologies.

^declaration

r422 Rebekah Mercer is only 45. In 16 years she will be only 61. This space alien could be making our lives miserable for the next 50 years.

Watch Trump try to use Comeys letter against any charges related to Russia...."see, He said in this letter that it wasnt me".

[quote]The question is, yes, what did the president know and when did he know it?”

The last time I never heard that was January 2009 to January 2017 when there was a Democrat in office.

R512 thx & yes, I thought about that. I was suggesting, perhaps, her political shenanigans would fizzle considerably by then. She has a direct connection to this DJT/Russher mess. The Cambridge Analytica shady endeavors had her funding. She was tight with Bannon and a close friend with Kellyanne Conway. But that's only part of it.

[quote]This space alien could be making our lives miserable for the next 50 years.

I think they are some of those billionaires who believe they will live forever through buying technology to keep them alive. And that this is their right, as beings much superior to the likes of us.

There was speculation for a while that she might be kristall.night, a user in a discussion group on Discord that was used to help plan the Charlottesville rally.

Does it seem like the amount of Russia/Trump information has been escalating lately? A slow drip that is steadily increasing.

Since Trump thinks in terms of TV, this is the buildup to "Sweeps Month."

Imagine how symbolic it would be if Trump were to resign on or around August 9th this year: the 45th anniversary of Nixon's resignation.

R520 let's hope it doesn't take that long. I would also prefer to see him impeached and jailed.

R512

That woman could sell ad space on her forehead.

I thought that around the holidays, everything Mueller had died down and that we were going to have to wait till late February.

I am so glad that someone spilled this info about Trump possibly being an agent of Russia.

"Woman"

I think FLOTUS is an agent.

I thought Shucksabee resigned? When is she leaving?

I bet Trump was asking Putin to take care of all his enemies. How I wish Putin will disclose what was discussed! You know he will one day! I look forward to that day!

R526 Wasn't it rumored she wouldn't leave until she could find another job? Well, since she's still here, guess she couldn't find another job!

I didn't realize she didn't give a date. If it's a case of waiting for a new job - I guess she'll continue sucking Bone Spurs' tiny mushroom until her daddy wants her to go back to his.

Does Sarah Sanders enjoy looking like a damn fool? I am sure there are people who have corrected Sarah with the truth, yet she continues to lie.

R530 Religious people have no shame. They enjoy being attacked so they can feel like a martyr for their "truth" (lies).

Some Evangelicoes will hire Sandra to clean floors, that is about it.

Doesn't Sarah have small children? I'm sure she needs to take time off to be with her family.

[quote]Doesn't Sarah have small children?

They were delicious.

That genuinely made me laugh. Thanks, R534.

Surely Fox News would hire Sarah, no?

I think the consensus has now tipped that he's working for Putin and that it's immaterial whether he's doing so intentionally or not. That should have been obvious before the election (it was to me, anyway).

Yeah, R537 it seemed obvious to all of us who weren't braindead Deplorables.

What irks me is all these destructive billionaires just can't be grateful to be rich and use their fortunes to improve the planet and the lives of creatures on it. No, they have further enrich themselves at the expense of the environment and the decent humans who work hard just to pay the bills.

People like the Koch's and Mercers are pure evil.

When all the information comes to light and the evidence is laid out for the public to see, I'm certain that one line of defense that they will come up with is that the Dotard was an unwitting dupe who unintentionally bumbled his way into -- gasp -- committing treason. And, because he didn't know what he was doing, he lacked the requisite intent to be a traitor to his country. Which, of course, ignores the fact that -- if their excuse were true -- he would be too fucking stupid to lead a parade let alone the United States.

But everything points to him being a willing participant in this scheme. It seems like collusion because they were in fact conspiring with Putin and his henchmen to interfere in the 2016 election and give Cheatolini the keys to the WH. In return they expected certain favors and they've gotten them. The nonsense that Ted Cruz was peddling this morning on Meet the Press about tRump being harder on Russia than Obama was laughable. (Of course Chuckles Todd let him get away with it.)

Our government has been hijacked by traitors -- and the Rethuglicans are just fine with it.

R541 yeah, I have a feeling, "proving his intent," is going to be a sticking point.

[quote]Our government has been hijacked by traitors -- and the Rethuglicans are just fine with it.

I've seen a lot of videos of moronic Deplorables saying they're ok with Put Put doing what he did since it's still better than HRC being President.

Rumors were a-floatin on Twitter this weekend that Russia has GOP emails dating back to 2008.

[quote]Rumors were a-floatin on Twitter this weekend that Russia has GOP emails dating back to 2008.

How many hard drives would photos of the Senatrice fill going back to 2008?

Dotard has had five meetings with Putin and he would not allow anyone to know what they talked about. That does not show ignorance, it shows knowledge.

r541.....theres one piece of evidence that shoots that claim to hell....He was receiving regular classified briefings telling him what the Russians were up to. Any action/inaction from that point forward become criminal offenses in and of themselves.

One thing that really is hitting home with me, and I hope others are thinking about it too, is as all of this unfolds, and we learn more and more, is that the Gang of Eight was getting intelligence briefings and they had to know a lot more than we do about Trump's involvement. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan. Those fuckers knew before the damned election. And they certainly knew after it. And as they watched these past two years they knew. They a re culpable. They need to be charge with either crimminal negligence or something. They are fucking traitors, IMo.

I agree, R548 and I hope that when it all comes down they don't forget to include Paul Ryan in the mix. He cannot get off that easy.

DJT was asking Russia on live TV during the campaign to hack HRC's Email. He was messaging 3 things: 1) labeling HRC and her Emails as sinister; 2) asking Russia (see, they could be our friends) to do a good act to expose a dirty candidate; and to imply he hasn't talked to Russia prior about covert activities and trickery. His fans cheered this, not knowing or caring, about the tactical intent, or not troubled by inviting a foreign adversary to intrude into a U.S. judicial matter. To DJT's base, anything damaging to HRC, justifies the means. No, DJT was not unwittingly doing Putty's bidding. Putty has the goods in this relationship and his Clown Prince must oblige.

The Russians have been setting this up and talking to him about it for years. First in 2007, then again in 2011. He wanted guarantees. After all, he's not a loser. It was the media and political pundits who speculated that he was doing this to promote himself that he never expected to win. But I'm convinced he never expected to lose, that would have been the shocker as far as he was concerned. There have been other occasions when foreign government sought to influence our elections. But they were always blocked because the political professionals, the staff and the candidate turned them in and reported it, and our Intel community was on it. But this time nothing seemed to work. And now we have a shit mess to clean up.

Miss Lindsey supposedly tore the microphone off her lapel and SASHEYED OUT of her interview on FOX this morning! She must be stressed that someone has started the rumor that her oral skills are lacking, just when she 's ready to service the whole Clemson team (including the water boys).

The Senatrice just loves being a drama queen.

There is no way to understand Deplorables, they are like a virus sweeping across our nation. They enjoy their ignorance and stupidity. Their leaders are people like Coulter and Limbaugh, Fox News...any of those who are trying to destroy our nation, they should be arrested.

When is Ms. Maxine going to subpoena Bone Spurs' tax returns?

Im just amazed at the way the media is reacting . Seriously. Anyone with a working brain cell knew what was going on when the first reporting started hitting 6 months before the election in 2016. I know these Treason threads didnt start until Mueller was appointed, but there were multiple Russia threads many months before that. I even remember discussing different articles about Trump/Russia as early as May/June of 2016 with friends of mine. So we knew. Why is it a big deal for the media NOW ?

R557 I work with several Deplorables and it's fascinating to listen to them spin. The hypocrisy is really staggering. Any time you point out how something they're bitching about was actually something the Rethugs did --- the about face and excuses for it... I just have no words to explain how it all seems like they're bots that have been programmed to automatically spew out responses.

And then I remember they're Fox viewers so they pretty much are.

R557

You ask a valid question, why now?

My only guess and hope is that the Media has finally been told by their Overlords that it's okay to start preparing the masses for the shit that's about to come out... meaning, the Rethugs no longer have a need for Bone Spurs and they're ready to give him the boot.

[quote]Why is it a big deal for the media NOW ?

Speculation here -- corporate media slanted toward conservatism (next time a Deplorable yelps about the 'liberal media' ask for specific examples and ask him to show the owners' stakes and their contributions to candidates), WH threats of restricted access, inauthentic "expert sources"...

Anyone and EVERYONE who supports Trump are traitors too! They should all be flown over Russia and dropped over Siberia without fucking parachutes!

R557, it's a big deal for the media now because they are able to report confirmed information disclosed by law enforcement, and because after the mid-terms people feel that there is a point to fighting back.

Ryan and McConnell are both guilty. I believe they were both getting money from Putin to protect Trump. Benedict was a sweetheart, next to any of them.

ABC’s “This Week,” ABC News chief Washington correspondent Jonathan Karl said his sources “interacting with” special counsel Robert Mueller’s team said Mueller’s forthcoming report was “almost certain to be anti-climactic.”

KARL: What I am getting is that this is all building up to the Mueller report and raising expectations of a bombshell report. And there have been expectations that have been building, of course, for over a year on this. But people who are closest to what Mueller has been doing, interacting with the special counsel caution me that this report is almost certain to be anti-climactic. If you look at what the FBI was investigating in that New York Times report, you look at what they were investigating, Mueller did not go anywhere with that investigation. He has been writing his report in real time through these indictments and we have seen nothing from Mueller on the central question of, was there any coordination, collusion, with the Russians in the effort to meddle in the elections? Or was there even any knowledge on the part of the president or anybody in his campaign with what the Russians were doing, there’s been no indication of that …

STEPHANOPOULOS: They hadn’t laid that out yet in the indictments but how do things like the Trump Tower meeting with Russians, Don Jr., Paul Manafort, Paul Manafort giving polling data to Ukrainian oligarchs, the pursuit of a Trump Tower in Moscow. How does that fit into this theory?

KARL: What we’ve certainly seen over and over again is the people around the president, first of all, have been willing to lie to investigators, and had their own dealings with Russians, had their own agendas with Russians. And Manafort was trying to get paid for his work on behalf of Ukraine. Flynn had his own dealings. But it is not added up to anything of the central question, again, was there anybody – was the Trump campaign aware of or coordinating with the Russians in their effort to meddle with the election. So far there’s been nothing on that and I’m led to believe don’t expect there’s going to be any

Of course they are R564.

"Donald Trump and the political action committees for Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, John Kasich and John McCain accepted $7.35 million in contributions from a Ukrainian-born oligarch who is the business partner of two of Russian president Vladimir Putin's favorite oligarchs and a Russian government bank.

During the 2015-2016 election season, Ukrainian-born billionaire Leonard "Len" Blavatnik contributed $6.35 million to leading Republican candidates and incumbent senators. Mitch McConnell was the top recipient of Blavatnik's donations, collecting $2.5 million for his GOP Senate Leadership Fund under the names of two of Blavatnik's holding companies, Access Industries and AI Altep Holdings, according to Federal Election Commission documents and OpenSecrets.org."

^And the trolls have come out to play.

That was meant for R565.

Karl is not exactly Mr. Reliable.

Trump looks scared shitless in R563's link, and Putin's the daddy...

Jonathan Karl is about as reliable as Maggie Haberman, and Jonathan Swan.....their sources are the fucking White House.

[qute]Watch Trump try to use Comeys letter against any charges related to Russia...."see, He said in this letter that it wasnt me".

The same Comey who according to Cheeto the Stable Genius is a "liar" and a "hack"?

The person who keeps posting that Karl thing is obviously a troll. Best ignored.

R565 This Jon Karl is talking like Manafort was acting independently of the Trump campaign. He was hired by Trump to head the campaign. How could Trump not know? It's like these people go out of their way to encircle Trump in an innocent bubble away from the the long list of crimes and treason perpetrated by his inner circle. The more logical conclusion by any non-biased journalist is that Trump is the common denominator directing all these crimes and treason. Instead these fake journalists are trying to sell some ludicrous notion like mob crimes have nothing to do with the mob boss.

Trump’s cowardice is legendary r570. His complete lack of any balls whatsoever was revealed by his reaction to Vietnam. My father was a working class kid, he was drafted, and was in Vietnam when I was born. My father came back an alcoholic and never recovered, and died when I was 26. I lost my father and a childhood because of that war, thousands are like me. And in spite of what the war did to my father, he loved his country — he would get teary-eyed when he heard the national anthem.

Trump? The only thing that has ever made Trump misty-eyed is when he realized he had won the Presidency by cheating. I say it again, his cowardice is legendary. A real man would have wanted to prove to themselves that they could fight for and win the Presidency of their own merit. He’s not a man.

[quote] A real man would have wanted to prove to themselves that they could fight for and win the Presidency of their own merit.

He's delusional to believe that he did win it on his own merit. The same way he truly believes he was a "self-made" millionaire.

Why do you think the main focus for the first 6 months of his presidency was that he was not an illegitimate president, and that he was elected by a majority. Trump projects....he knew he cheated, and he knew who was responsible.

But r547, he’ll just say he never takes or reads briefings - something he’s proud of. He will still claim ignorance though we know that’s not possible. I really hope recorded conversations are part of the proof.

R578 that's probably when he'll claim what we've all suspected:

"I'm illiterate!"

There are multiple people in the room giving a briefing....they dont just hand you a paper....they go through it with you and answer any questions you may have. And yes, he takes briefings....whether he acts on them or not is a different question.

But didn’t they say he watches tv until like 11:30am and skips most briefings?

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[quote]This Jon Karl is talking like Manafort was acting independently of the Trump campaign.

After Manafort got involved, the fricking GOP changed the language on Ukraine at the convention! Not involved my bony ass! Everyone at the GOP and Trump campaign is involved up to their eyeballs. Traitors, all of them!

[quote]Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime Manafort associate who Mueller believes has ties to Russian intelligence, reportedly told associates in August 2016 he helped play a role in the platform change.

Wait a minute. Didn’t we decide Axios is up his ass?

Funny that Dotard would have the never to tell anyone else they fucked up.

Oh, that's right - he has a history of projecting.

Anyone else hate Axios? They seem like a high brow version of the National Enquirer.

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