Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

Oh, very good title, OP. Bravo!

Great title op!

the previous thread mentioned an internment camp for all the scumbags involved. That would be a wonderful punishment. They should keep a camera on them 24 hours a day for extra humiliation.

If Stone gets busted and then hangs himself, it would be the best thing to come out of this whole mess yet.

It's sad that his supporters still can't see that something isn't right here.

Kasich said that he couldn't beat Trump in a primary.

‘Oh Christmas Treason...’

Side note is anyone on mobile having an issue with popups while using DL? It's gotten really bad the past few days.

Sign me up

R9 Yes. PC is fine, the mobile has been a bit crazy.

Chris Hayes just made me laugh out loud with his little "Monorail"/Simpsons shout out.

A few days ago a huge Instacator ad started showing up on DL when I use my phone.

Part 68 shows me at 580 posts.

What's up?

Part 69? Pics please!

I think they jumped the gun a bit creating this thread because the other one slowed down when it hit 575 or so.

So will Mueller give us a nice pre Christmas present this Thursday or Friday?

Like some indictments maybe?

Scrolling, may see this one first not knowing the last one is infilled.

Sounds as if Stone is up next for indictment.

Pres Bone Spurs now has the economy going off the rails it looks like.

yes, r13, it is pissing me off and making my mobile load slower.

Unfuckingbelievable! Someone started a GoFundMe for Trump's stupid fucking wall. . . And $1.9 million out of $1 Billion has already been raised in 2 days. It truly saddens me that there are so many ignorant, hate-filled people in our country.

998 million to go...

Its a scam....its based in Miramar, Florida.....Isnt one of Trumps Super Pacs based there ?....I would be VERY skeptical of anything of that nature...and if you read the text of the page, it sounds suspiciously like a political propaganda piece.

Who in the lineup in OP’s pic has the most punchable face?

I pick Papa-Fucking-Dopoulos.

And the not pictured, sidewalk shit stain, Steven Miller; just because....

In just a few minutes (and on the East Coast), it will be two weeks until the Democratic-led House.

Big cracks are starting to show in Trump’s support base. Ann Coulter excoriating him, others on Twitter agreeing with him. Rush Limbaugh, too.

And that’s just because of the wall.

Once his legal and congressional problems get really out of control, he’s going to be branded a disaster and his approval ratings will nosedive. Once he gets down to 25% support, will the Senate *still* not vote to convict?

[quote] Ann Coulter excoriating him, others on Twitter agreeing with him

Agreeing with Ann, I meant.

Contrast with Obama, who looks like an amazing, fun, loving guy visiting a children’s hospital in a Santa cap. I could cry.

If he thought he felt left out before ...

Trump thinks he can beat this. He thinks his rich friends, corrupt allies, and stupid base will protect him. The 2020 election machine is an example of how difficult it will be to pry the presidency from his cold, cheating hands.

Read Paul Krugman's column from this week. It will give you chills.

Enh, r30, I’m not worried about all that. Like I said, his approval rating will fall.

What about the recession coming in 2019? Think they have a plan for that? More tax cuts?

[quote]What about the recession coming in 2019? Think they have a plan for that?

All economic bad news will be blamed on the Dems taking the House.

Like I mentioned in another thread, Democrats only need one talking point about wall: He said Mexico would pay for it.

Can you imagine Nancy Pelosi in front of him and cameras saying, "Why are you talking to me the wall, you promised Mexico was going to pay for it. Talk to them"?

^^me ABOUT the wall

R32 no way.

I meant, Trump will try to blame it on the Dems taking the House.

They said the Wall would be more like $40 billion, not $18 billion.

The insticator thing is not only slowing down the mobile browser but also redirecting to pages that hijack the browser. If anyone knows of a way to block, please share.

not sure if it's been posted but there is a go fund me for the fucking wall! it has 2million in 3 days!

A supporter of President Trump’s border wall proposal has started a GoFundMe to help pay for the project — and the fund skyrocketed to nearly $2 million on Wednesday night after being live for just three days.

Kolfage’s wrote on his fundraising page that if every Trump voter donates $80 to his wall-building campaign, they will raise $5 billion needed to build the border wall.

“Even if we get half, that’s half the wall. We can do this,” Kolfage wrote on the GoFundMe page.

As of Wednesday night, the campaign had raised nearly $2 million, with large and small donations pouring in nearly every minute.

Kolfage assured donors that he has contacted the Trump administration and every penny of their donations would go to funding the “Trump wall.” –– ADVERTISEMENT ––

“We have many very high level contacts already helping,” he wrote.

The Hoarse Whisperer ‏ @HoarseWisperer 2h2 hours ago

The MAGA dumdums are crowdsourcing money for the wall.

Should we crowdsource money for ladders just to troll them?

R32 is correct. The GOP will throw blame to the Democrats--majority in the House and enough numbers in the Senate to prevent the GOP from having a supermajority. The "both sides" media will bend over backwards to not call the GOP on their shit, and the narrative will flourish. "Dems not reaching across the aisle." "Dems overreaching on going after Trump and not focusing on the economy." "Dems in disarray." "Dems don't have a plan for 2020." And so on.

[quote]“Even if we get half, that’s half the wall. We can do this,” Kolfage wrote on the GoFundMe page.

OMG, they are so stupid. Do they understand how walls work?

R41, ladders AND trampolines, just to make it interesting!

Someone should suggest to Trump that he can fully fund his wall by auctioning off the right to slap his fucking face.

Thanks to the person or persons who closed.oit the last thread.

Much of "the wall" would have to be built within private property.

So if SOMEHOW all the money for "the wall" comes from private donations, and the Trump administration tries to assert eminent domain, GOOD LUCK, ASSHOLES.

God when will this nightmare be over — it's worse than I feared on Election Night.

Cards Against Humanity bought a huge piece of land that would be needed for any wall and contracted with lawyers who specialize in eminent domain laws to tie Trump up in court for years if it ever gets that far.

Cards FOR Humanity, R46! Now I don’t feel so guilty about playing and usually winning misanthropic games (I read people very well).

What's up with annoying gay face Papadopoulos? Prick!

Why the f*ck don't the Koch Bros, the Mercers, Sheldon Adelson, etc., fund the wall? They've bought Presidents, Congresses, Governors, etc.

I'm beginning to think Michael Moore was correct all along. He said Dump will not leave the White House. I also think I blame all of this on the Republican Party. None of this would've happened if they'd stuck to regular order. Dump should have been impeached long ago and the past two years have been nothing but a power grab for Repugs.

We seriously need to focus on a 'clawback' of any and all things that has happened under this unlawful regime. We're gonna have to see many R's in jail over the years as this matter unwinds itself--yes, it will take years! I'm not sure the Dems have it in them....

Michael Moore is a Trump-enabling BernieBro stopped clock. Boy, bye.

the best part about the wall nonsense is that there also are Trump voters who live right on the border and they're concerned the government will take some of their land to build it lol

to the poster who said any drop in the economy will be blamed on the Dems, you're right. For whatever reason, a lot of the public doesn't seem to understand that economies do not rise or fall overnight. The stock market of course can but that is not the economy. Just like repub voters and some independents blamed a slow economy on Obama (who inherited a Bush recession), they credit Trump for the last 2 years and will blame a change in the House majority if things go badly

Morons like Chuck Todd don't help either and I don't even need to discuss the propaganda on Fox

What I’d like to know is, why did Ann Coulter turn on Trump? Her livelihood depends on Deplorables. Democrats are not buying her books and supporting her.

As obnoxious as she is, most of what she says is designed to get controversy and attention so she can get gigs on Republican venues. Most of the stuff she says is propaganda that appeals to the Trump voter. No way would criticizing Trump help her there. And no legitimate news organization would hire her no matter how much she criticized Trump.

So why attack Trump now? I can imagine Deplorables would say, she’s kicking him while he’s down. But it in spite of her public persona, I bet she’s well connected. Bill Maher claims she’s not as much as a loose cannon as she pretends to be, she’s just cynically exploiting Deplorables for money. So why shoot herself in the foot like this?

Megan Kelly asked Trump one question and it was curtains for her in the Deplorable arena, after being their poster girl for years. Coulter can’t jump sides like Kelly did. She’s too loathed.

My bet is she knows Trump will soon be gone and wants to be on the right side. But the problem is, once the GOP are no longer catering to Deplorables, and try to consolidate members of the old GOP back into the fold, to try to get some power back from Democrats, those people aren’t really her fan club either.

My bet is Coulter knows something we don’t. She’s the thermometer that takes the temperature of the GOP.

So Rand Paul plays golf with Trump and the pull-out from Syria is be announced.

Trump backstabbed Miss Lindsey.

Coulter is the canary in the coal mine, is what I mean. What does it mean when Trump makes even HER keel over?

Has she been talking to Flynn or Cohen or some other insider?

no "be"

"My bet is she knows Trump will soon be gone and wants to be on the right side."

Totally agree, R54. And we are going to be seeing a lot of this in the coming weeks and months, as the rats begin leaving the sinking ship.

Another group to keep an eye on are people like Pat Toomey, R from PA. He's kept a very low profile re: Trump, careful never to make a negative comment on him, so when the shit finally hits the fan he can say he never really was a supporter of the President. Complete and total bullshit, as Toomey has supported Trump and his policies every step of the way.

Coulter has criticized Trump before. I forget what she said, but there were lots of oohs and aahs that she had turned on Trump. Then she went back to praising him again. Not a big deal.

Fox and Friends seem to be turning on Dump over the “ISSI defeat”.

Laura Ingraham and Jeanine Pirro are Trump's top media gal's now.

The plural of gal is gals.

Apostrophes are not used to make plurals.

Spell Check does not add unnecessary apostrophes.

Anyone see Ken Starr on Ari? He was doing verbal gymnastics over whether all the shit Trump has done - the witness intimidation, the obstruction, the hotel in Moscow, emoluments etc- classify as crimes. I was so confused and he does it in such an avuncular way. Then he says they may be impeachable offenses. WTF?

Well, based on what R39 posted they only need another 9,000 days of fundraising at $2 million per day to finally hit the $18, 000,000,000 wall cost estimate.

And if it’s true the wall would actually cost $40,000,000,000 then that GoFuckMe Fund needs another 20,000 days of donations.

Good luck with that!

R64 you should post that on their page. LOL! All those numbers would probably give them a headache.

R60 Dotard's idiotic and irresponsible directives via Tweet must have blindsided Mattis yet again.

Defeated ISIS? Not even close!

Yes R60, even FOX and their friends realize Trump’s treasonous subjugation of the US to Putin is about to become blindingly obvious.

R62 Device spell prediction will add apostrophes sometimes. It is a missed typo error. No need to fill another post with a minor reference to a mistake. You have nothing better to do? You are such an ass.

[quote]she knows Trump will soon be gone and wants to be on the right side

Ann Coulter just doesn't want to compromise her own brand. Her brand is hard right; she's against "immigration" (i.e. of Latinos) and exploits the "Wall" to this end, so any wishy-washiness on that will meet her adamant dissent. Likewise the retreat from Syria doesn't meet her approval.

But this dissent of hers is only the latest. She's been going back and forth on Trump, because of his immigration policy, for the last two years.

I have to agree with r68.

We should always just continue to beat him up with the truth and never stop to pay attention to what he is saying.

Let the dunderheads give their money to the wall...it will all end up in someone's pocket...not on a WALL.

[quote]I meant, Trump will try to blame it on the Dems taking the House.

Hell do more than try. He knows how to play pied piper to his base. He just has to say it and they’ll get in line behind him.

Fortunately Trump and his shills have no credibility and most people are on to him.

Trump unfollowed Ann Whore on twitter after she lashed out at him.

Whenever they talk about the economy, he will counter with lowest unemployment blah blah blah

I hope the deplorable rednecks donating to the gofundme get their funds redirected to the Trump campaign, I.e. the garbage.

McConnell , just yesterday, stood on the floor of the Senate and blamed it on the Democrats....something he does on a regular basis...and nobody challenges him...just like with Trump.

An example of how a true President behaves: spreading cheer instead of hate and division.

Santa Obama is in the building!

Just to underline again the depravity of Trump's life and crimes - put Obama's name in front of Trump's known charge list and imagine how long he would have lasted.

I still refuse to be worried.

r81, we have 14 days til January 3rd.

We will make it.

R82, what difference will it make to Whitaker when Democrats take over Congress? Serious question. I want to know.

The House Dems can hold hearings to uncover whatever he tries to suppress. In many ways it would be better for him to leave Mueller alone--Mueller does his job responsibly and without leaks. Politicians don't work the same way.

well hopefully the House Dems keep Whitaker in line. I don't like the idea of him not having to recuse himself. He has 2 weeks to do something

The Democratic House will release Mueller's findings and more through public hearing which should be the end of Trump and the Republican Party for good. "Should".

If worse comes to worse, can the House hire or appoint Mueller to do the same job with a different title? Or can they only question him about what he’s already seen and done?

Trump refusing to sign bill to keep gov't. open

There are serious problems here. The attorney general can prevent the release of Mueller's report. In that case, Mueller would not have the authority to give the report to House. In addition, if the House hires Mueller, he would not have the power and authority he has as special prosecutor. Of course, this is the reason that Mueller is essentially releasing his report piece by piece in his court filings.

TRUMP WILL OWN THE SHUTDOWN!

I kind of feel like the Trump family of criminals will try to get away with a lot of shit during the holidays when they think no one will notice.

I mean, just this week, he's doing Putin's bidding and no one is doing anything about it.

Trump will try to brainwash his followers into thinking it’s great that he’s playing with families’ paychecks at Christmastime. Something about they’re all losers and don’t deserve to be paid, probably.

R90 that's a huge concern. All the "don't worry about Whitaker" people are too optimistic. I'm hoping he's forced to play nicely as he's also under investigation for that fraud scandal in Florida...not sure if the House Dems can do something about that too.

and Barr will be a concern too

Adam Schiff will subpoena people to appear and it will be great. Maxine Waters will show us Donald's tax returns. Get your popcorn.

In the real world congress investigates and these investigations are televised. The Republicans refused to investigate and when they did question people it was behind closed doors.

Mueller's investigation and Mueller himself was a compromise because the Republicans would not do their job.

Trump cannot shut down the house, no matter how hard Whittaker huffs and puffs.

Ot my spell check adds an apostrophe when I type Puerto Rican's. I can't get rid of it.

Thank you, R95. Today Joyce Vance tweeted a reminder to remember the names of every person who has tried to obstruct Justice in this mess. Beyond justice for criminals, I want accountability. Democrats are going to have to get real.

Somewhere today I read that if Conservatives cannot remain in power democratically, then they will dismantle democracy rather than evolve.

CULT 45: Works Every Time!

I'd rather have Mueller release everything than wait for Congress to have hearings. I think too many members of the GOP will either refuse to cooperate or say they don't recall anything they're being questioned about while they're on the stand.

I think the Mueller investigation is safe. So much is now known. There must be some Republican senators with enough foresight to know they’re going to have to save themselves in 2020 and will want to separate themselves from the hardcore Trump cult.

Susan Collins is still considering what to do...

I like drunk rapists.

Susan Collins is toast.

"Cult 45"

That’s BRILLIANT!

There are serious problems here. The attorney general can prevent the release of Mueller's report. In that case, Mueller would not have the authority to give the report to House.

While I'm not denying this is a problem, let's also remember Mueller was the only prosecutor able to put John Gotti in prison. He's got a serious skill set.

One thing he could do is essentially put his whole report in charges or sentencing recommendations.

Sorry meant to put a quote tag in the first paragraph. ^^^^^

"One thing he could do is essentially put his whole report in charges or sentencing recommendations."

He's been doing that, little by little.

A DOJ ethics official told Whitaker he SHOULD recuse himself -- but he's not going to. Just because.

Crazy Uncle Horace arrived early for Christmas dinner.

[quote]The wall, also called, so that I give them a little bit of an out, STEEL SLATS. We don’t use the word “wall” necessarily, but it has to be....something special....todothejobSTEELSLATS!

In other news, maybe it was just the lighting but it looks like someone gave him a violet rinse.

This whole shit show shows how fragile our democracy really is especially when we allow people to become insanely rich.

[quote]A DOJ ethics official told Whitaker he SHOULD recuse himself -- but he's not going to. Just because.

This is what I'm worried about. Even if Democrats call for hearings, conservatives won't cooperate. And then what?

Pres Bone Spurs lives up to the hype- he is the hugest, bestest worst president ever.

There are a lot of humans who just like to follow the leader...Deplorables just follow their leader, whether he makes sense or not.

I would like to take Bill Krystol and drop him off of a pretty high bridge. Above all else, he is a Republican.

Sorry, Bill Kristol?

If Mueller will ever allow those indictments to be served maybe part of this will be over?

Tell shithead that Florida is sopping wet and no one wants him here.

[quote]Susan Collins is still considering what to do...

I'm sure she is very concerned.

I will not watch Ken Starr (the lowlife), even on Ari.

Actually Whitaker was not cleared by the Ethics division. They said he should recuse himself, but apparently he has "advisers" who are telling him it's not necessary. Read the article in the Washington Post.

Mattis is out at the end of February.

Abandon ship!

For those of you who have link preview turned off...

[quote]General Jim Mattis will be retiring, with distinction, at the end of February, after having served my Administration as Secretary of Defense for the past two years. During Jim’s tenure, tremendous progress has been made, especially with respect to the purchase of new fighting....

[quote]....equipment. General Mattis was a great help to me in getting allies and other countries to pay their share of military obligations. A new Secretary of Defense will be named shortly. I greatly thank Jim for his service!

I wonder who actually tweeted that r22.

Mattis is the only appointee I regret losing. He seemed like a bulwark of stability and rationality. So many times he either ignored Trump or stopped him from doing something terrible. I hope before he leaves he curses Trump out to his face. Mattis knows better than anyone that Trump is Putin's puppet and a fucking traitor.

Democrats will have subpoena power. That means talk or go to jail until you do. So, you can sit in jail for months or years.

Conservatives don't cooperate? Fine. They can sit their asses in jail.

Democrats can call Mueller to testify publicly.

Mattis must've been blindsided by Cult 45's tweet re Syria today.

We need Mattis to stay put. He’s the last hope.

Is there ANYTHING or ANYONE that comes in contact with Trump that doesn’t get destroyed? God damn this mother fucker!

The very first reply to the tweet at R120 is life:

YOU HAVE NO SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, NO ATTORNEY GENERAL, NO CHIEF OF STAFF, NO BORDER WALL, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT EVEN WEARING PANTS

R124/R127 no, no, no. If Mattis were the patriot he claims to be, he would never have carried water for Putin's puppet.

Trump just fired Mattis.

Mattis’s Resignation letter

Part 2

Stocks plunging

Net loss for year

Mattis was serving his country, not his President. Trump hates that. He considers it "disloyal."

[Quote] There are a lot of humans who just like to follow the leader...Deplorables just follow their leader, whether he makes sense or not.

Hillary-voters Nicole Kidman and Matthew McConaughey urged us ALL to just FOLLOW THE LEADER in January 2017. "He's our President and deserves our respect and support."

Have either spoken up since?

Miss Lindsey has been all over MSNBC, CNN, Fox, and other media today. The media loves her.

After being a Trump sychophant for many months, suddenly she has concerns.

Oops Miss Lindsey, Rand Paul and Mike Lee are DJT"s top Senate bottom bitches now.

McTurtle is wattling and can't get the job done.

So much kompromat at work.

R136, what’s your point? Bernie-voters Jane Sanders and Bernie Sanders assured us it was okay to vote for Trump one day before the election. Bernie-voters Susan Sarandon and Cornel West said Hillary would be worse than Trump. They’re still saying it. THEY are members of Cult 45 too; they just aren’t aware of it.

Could Miss Lindsey be the new Secretary of Defense? Will she take a cue from 9 to 5 and, then, tie up her boss?

Mattis must have quit over Syria. 100%.

I find it frightening that the media says shit about "The adults in the room", and they are talking about the Oval Office.

Trump has to go. I wonder how Putin instructed Trump to get out of Syria. Who, and where and how? Pigeons?

R130 my thoughts are the same. True patriots would have helped cripple him by not serving.

John Brennan on Twitter: Okay, Republicans. How much longer are you going to let this farcical “presidency” continue? At a time of such political, economic, and geo-strategic turbulence—both nationally and globally—are you waiting for a catastrophe to happen before acting? Disaster looms!

Chris Leighton on Twitter: @NancyPelosi @SenMajLdr This will cause a huge market reaction tomorrow....this should be considered. Perhaps not opening it is a good option. Mattis has basically stated Trump has aligned himself with Russia and abandoned his allies. It is time for #impeachment.

Patriots need to start looking at the Conservatives who brought this nonsense on--voters, politicians, businesses... get rid of Trump and then start picking them off one by one in the press.

I guess Putin was gonna release the pee pee tapes.

R138, My point was that not all Deplorables voted for Trump. MMcC and Tom Cruise's second beard wife branded themselves as Deplorables for their calls for Democrats to stop whining about the election being stolen and just move on "AND SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT WHO DESERVES OUR RESPECT."

That's my point. Never trust those two ever again.

And I was wondering if they ever spoke up again about their water-carrying for Trump.

I was in Chinatown the other day and they were selling a shirt "elect a clown, expect a circus" with his pic.

OMG, I hate him soooo much!!!!!!!

Wonder who this is.

Trump, I hope r147

Why are the fricking Republicans on Capital Hill are worried about what Trump's base thinks on Syria? I'd be surprised if more than 15% of them could find Syria on a world map. Most of them probably can't name all the states that border Mexico.

Putin praised Trump today. Gross. And Putin's face looks GROSS! he answered questions for 3 hours

Schumer & Pelosi are ripping into Trump. Ryan as well.

Going back to Trump crimes for a moment:

R147 Thanks for posting. Brian Karem is an amazing no-holds-barred reporter. He's one of the few who has really stood up to Huckabeast-Sanders and tossed her shit right back.. He occasionally appears on CNN.

Even though he's had his job for a very short period, I suspect Pompeo might be who he's talking about.

omg, CBS news is covering the GO FUND ME wall and they said they have raised 8 million so far! stupid people.

Mattis should have never thought he could influence this orange, lowlife shithead.

Remember the "suicide pact?" Turned out to be bullshit after Tillerson left, but if it still exists in some capacity then it's Mnuchin next.

OMG! Did anyone see that Nazi Stephen Miller on Wolf Blitzer? We're living a horror film in real time!

Pelosi and Schumer and their MSNBC presidential shills are about to get their ashes handed to them. The House will vote to find the wall, and the Senate will follow suit. That's what happens when u have a disciplined party following their marching orders.

Republicans are disgusting in every way...they will never stand up to the Putin brown noser, Trump.

The Trump Presidency in one picture.

Chuck and Nancy in impromptu presser emphaszing how Fat Nixon has plunged this nation into a state of chaos in just one week. Mattis resigning is the beaking point for them. Nancy snarks about Trump shuttung down the govt so he can play more golf . . .

They have to stop electing POTUS who know nothing about the military. They think it's games. FUCK TRUMP. He doesn't have the capacity to understand the bigger picture. He just knows there is no money in Syria, they wouldn't want a Trump hotel or golf course there so they can fuck off. That's what in his mind.

He is a fucking disgrace!!!

Can Mueller hurry up and force him to resign NOW??

R158 is a blooming idiot

The day Trump started to tweet

Whitaker and Barr are trying to bury the Mueller Report.

Deplorables REALLY don't think. They spend their precious Racist pennies coming up with $100 Million dollars in the next year, only to have Trump and all his minions thrown out on their asses when Mueller's investigations are through. With all probability, Democrats take the White House and maintain their lead in the House. What's gonna happen with your precious Wall Fund now? Flush it right down America's Historical toilet, where it belongs with Slavery, Segregation, and Jim Crow laws.

Putty's trolls are out in force now. R158, do you guys get MSNBC over there?

Here's the Nazi scumbag

I turned on Wolf and yes I saw that Nazi, Miller...so I turned him off. I do not allow Nazis on my TV.

Sorry If your world view has been upset R164 and R168, but trump will get the House vote tonight with the Senate to following in lock step unison tomorrow. The funding for the wall will be forthcoming. You don't fuck with thy h Americsn conservatives and their leaders and spokespeople like Rush Limbaugh.

[quote]Sorry If your world view has been upset [R164] and [R168], but trump will get the House vote tonight with the Senate to following in lock step unison tomorrow. The funding for the wall will be forthcoming. You don't fuck with thy h Americsn conservatives and their leaders and spokespeople like Rush Limbaugh.

The Senate needs 60 votes. They don’t have it.

Where's that pic of a S. Miller lookalike laying below multiple dicks with face covered in cum? Repost it please, whoever posted it before.

I see Miller ditched the spray on hair.

McConnell will get those votes,R172. Even if they've already left town for the holidays, then those absent senators will high tail it back to DC and vote the party line. Mark my words, what you're seeing here is Republican Party discipline at work.

[quote]McConnell will get those votes,[R172]. Even if they've already left town for the holidays, then those absent senators will high tail it back to DC and vote the party line. Mark my words, what you're seeing here is Republican Party discipline at work.

Still doesn't get them to 60.

so nobody is gonna go after the hackers? They just gonna let them get away?

yeah Trump wants this wall fight to keep on going to distract from Mattis quitting, the Syria withdrawal, the Russia probe and the flopping stock market

Is there any way that Miller could be charged with something in the future? He's so fucking despicable he needs to be in jail. He's a fucking sociopath who enjoys the suffering of others. He's like the stereotypical super-villain in a movie laughing sadistically about it all

The house is voting on the budget bill now, is it even going to be close? I hope to god they don't give him his wall.

And of course, just to be a cunt ...

R175, please hold your breath waiting. Put tape over your nose and mouth if you have to.

So, how many Pesos has Trump received for the wall to date? Since Mexico is to pay for the wall as Trump repeatedly declared, shouldn't there have been a few billion received from Mexico already for the wall? It's been two years.

[quote]And Putin's face looks GROSS! he answered questions for 3 hours

aka he led and spewed demagoguery and propaganda for 3 hours.

They are saying on MSNBC that the Reps have the votes to pass the Wall bill in the House, but no way will they get 60 votes in the Senate for this thing. It dies there.

Bob Corker could only laugh at Republicans’ predicament as President Donald Trump vowed not to sign the Senate's stopgap spending bill. He laughed harder still when Ted Cruz walked by and insisted the party must fund the border wall.

The retiring GOP senator seemed almost punch-drunk on the chaos of the last few days as Trump again threatens a shutdown over border wall funding that Democrats simply won't give him. But Corker said there was little to do other than sit back, watch the shutdown circus and keep a good sense of humor.

“Well, why not?” Corker responded when asked about his laughter. “You can’t make this stuff up. Y’all have fun.” ...

In their view, they’ve done their job and now it’s up to the House and the president to work something out. In theory, the Senate could come back Friday to vote on a bill providing Trump with his $5 billion for the border wall; it would almost certainly either be defeated or the wall funding would be stripped out. But the Senate GOP seems unworried about the day ahead and the potential for a partial shutdown in 24 hours.

More than half of the 51-member conference has skipped town and they were all caught flat-footed by the president’s news.

R185, how much you want to bet Trump pulled this fail of a stunt just because Nancy Smash taunted him that he didn't have the votes in the House? Even after Trump himself pointed out there was no point without enough votes in the Senate?

House Bill has 5 billion for the wall. The Senate will change that figure downwards.....a lot.

He * LIED

The Senate will give him enough for some duct tape and a few 2x4s.

I really hate repubs. More and more with every day damn day. They really are the most despicable people ever

Scott Dworkin:

BREAKING: Kremlin-linked Twitter accounts are pushing hard for an American government shutdown. They’re promoting hashtags like GoFundTheWall and VetoTheBill more than anything else over the last 24 hours. It’d be great if we had an American president to fight back. But we don’t.

Some comic relief.

r188, and they still won't get 60 votes.

Off topic, I just watched CNN Pentagon reporter, Barbara Starr comment on Jim Mattis.

I did a Wiki on her. Christ, she’’s 80 years old! Born 1938. Good for her! I always liked her style of reporting.

She reminds me of Hoffman’s ‘Tootsie’.

The House passed the bill.

HURRY BEFORE SHE DELETES IT!

r197, I knew she was dumb, but I never realized Katrina Pierson was literally living in an alternate universe to ours.

LOL

"I'll bet he has a pretty good excuse"

Some of the responses are HYSTERICAL.

"Try a Ouija board, you Tide Pod"

Susan Collins can suck my cock.

Fucking FOX true to form with the very punchable host, Tucker Carlson, who opened his show talking about the border wall, and every other red meat issue, except for General Mattis, and the looming government shut down. What an UNFOCUSED piece of shit!

We heard the other week about Republicans meeting privately to discuss abandoning Trump. Does all the chaos this week drive them any closer to finding a candidate to primary Trump?

ya know, not always a big fan of the "heighten the contradictions" idea. a lot of nasty bullshit happens along the way to that. But Trump is really determined to push the contradictions of our government and our class system to their absolute limits. in his own words: We'll see what happens.

Pence, with the eye stares at Trump with no movement in the face, is so creepy. If Trump is booted from office, then this stoic and rigid personality with some disturbing views, gets elevated? He needs to go as well.

the thing is, and people don't like when I say this, cause they want to focus on Trump, but there is an entire system of assholes we have all allowed to run this country for decades. I think we have a chance to kill this whole fucking system. I hope that people like Nancy Pelosi are willing and able to destroy this whole fucking system of corrupt assholes running this country for the last 50 years. I really do. Start by killing the financial sector that runs this economy and this government.

So the deplorables and the Russian bots are already out in force declaring victory because Pelosi was WRONG and Trump was RIGHT about having the votes in the House so Trump wins even though he loses, so there!

Oh and Mattis is leaving because victory and he can retire knowing he made America great.

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No he isn't R209, just SOME of them. Guess who?

and again, that ain't just Trump. Trump is just the asshole willing to admit he's a complete asshole. We have an entire party devoted to the most asshole policies possible. Kill the snake.

How does the house pass a spending bill that includes 5.7 billion for the wall when dems have the majority? are any dems actually voting for the wall?

R212, please tell me you're just playing dumb....

The Democrats don’t get seated for another two weeks. After that point, they’ll pass their bill, the Senate will agree and that’ll be that.

Currently it is all Republicans, all completely in charge. If they want this boondoggle, they can pass it. they won't, because they don't.

Where have you been for the last two months, R212? The Dems DON'T have a majority in the House (or the Senate, for that matter) now.

Trump reportedly orders half of the US troops in Afghanistan to withdraw! WTF is going on?

Pee pee tapes are gonna be released or what? who is he taking orders from?

maybe he's planning a coup.

If Mc Connell needs 60 votes he'll lose. He only has 52-53 at most.

I am not looking forward to the headlines tomorrow morning.

Susan will vote with Trump, per usual.

Trump is frantically trying to appear to fulfill the promises that he made to his base and to Putin before the Republican majority in the House evaporates. Therefore he's scrambling to do something about the Wall, and ordering the withdrawal of troops from Syria and Afghanistan. He's like someone trying to finish a term paper at the last minute.

Trump is getting his orders from Putin, how do you not know that. He certainly can't think for himself.

he is a moron, and everyone hates him. Nancy, just hold out and occasionally point that out. it is all that is needed. he is truly hated.

Our Intel agencies...and the Intel agencies of all our NATO allies, and the Israelis, and others all know Putin is giving Trump his orders. The dumb asses in the COngress and Trump himself think they can suppress Mueller's report and his investigation. But they can't it will all come out.

Something major is going down and it is not good.

Mike Barnicle:

Today is the day that Never Trumpers warned was coming. Markets crashing, indictments piling up, a President losing his grip; allies horrified, enemies celebrating, government in chaos, and Mattis quitting in protest.

And it’s going to get worse.

I don't want to pay for that ridiculous wall...let the idiot Republicans pay for it. I want my tax money to pay for education that does not include Rush Limbaugh.

I call bullshit on the "Go Fund Me" for the walk. Some bullshitter is claiming that millions have already been collected to convince the knuckle dragging, unwashed masses of trumpanzee deplorables to all pitch in.

R228 - that's the benefit of the GoFundMe - it will be idiot Republicans paying for it, unless Trump funnels the money to his own accounts.

The money will be funneled because Trump does not even want a wall. Just one more lie that Trump has been telling.

We have to make it to January 3rd.

I agree with you, R226 but I think the bad will happen and no one will stop it. If the new AG gets his way, Mueller will go to prison.

This administration puts the cunt in country. let's kill it. let's kill all of it. let's create a different country.

Weird things have been happening all week...is this just a nightmare?

Take a pill, Boris.

oh shut the fuck up

DL heartthrob Richard Engel has no good words about the effects of Trump's withdrawal from the Middle East.

Personally, I think Steven Miller and Flynn deserve a big face punch.

(I don't know why his twitter shows up in Russian when I click on it. Seems ominous.)

every Republican for the past 30 years deserves a huge dick punch. Paul Ryan, this one's for you, bitch!

Some people are saying that Trump could have done it differently, and more orderly, but he chose to announce the Syria withdrawal now, and very abruptly, so he could distract from the dirty dealing he had Mnuchin doing lifting the sanctions on Oleg Derapaska. Merry Christmas Vladimir!!!!!

There is so much filth in this White House it will take months to get the stink out.

Trump can't do anything orderly, or intelligent, or anything but crazy ass stupid loud bullshit. It is his destiny, always.

anyone noticed it's nearly impossible to post on this site lately?

R227, Mike Barnacle is right. And if it is true the Russian Bots are pushing for a government shut down on Twitter, then we are facing a shit storm and Congress is paralyzed. Maybe Trump intends to suspend the Constitution by January 3rd.

R158: [bold]DO NOT CHANGE YOUR IP ADDRESS.[/bold]

If you prefer Russian: [bold]НЕ ИЗМЕНЯЙТЕ СВОЙ IP-АДРЕС.[/bold]

If I block you I want you permanently blocked. If you continue this trolling horseshit we'll get Muriel to ban you permanently.

Sick of this trolling shit with endless changing IP addresses.

R244, it is the new trivia questions ad. I posted a thread about it earlier today and it was promptly deleted.

I've been on DL since 1997 and that was the first time I have ever had a post/thread deleted.

@KyleKulinski I just realized if Trump actually follows through and pulls out of Syria and Afghanistan that at least half of the Dems in the 2020 primary will openly argue we should go back in

Hmmm.....

Hey, if the Ukrainians can take back their country from Putin's puppet because they took to the streets and raised hell (peaceful demonstrations.) then we can certainly run Trump out of town.

I hope we can all admit that while Trump is a complete idiot and a clown and a fool, that our entire foreign policy for the past 30 years has been pretty much ad hoc bullshit, with nobody actually having the faintest idea what the fuck we are doing.

r250, 9/11 changed everything

Hey, R250, how soon we forget!

Remember Orange turd and Putin had a private meeting where only the translator was present? He probably gave him a list of things he wanted Trump to do by year's end.

And today Putin said they should meet again.

THEY BOTH ADMITTED THEY TALK ON THE PHONE ALL THE TIME. They dont need to meet in person.

One of the problems, as I understand it, is that Trump can't even do a government shutdown right. Most federal agencies and programs have funding to go through February of next year at least; only about one-fourth of the federal government will actually shut. Obviously, many people will still be affected, but it's not threatening enough to force Congress to pass a veto-proof spending bill.

I can't remember what it was but it was in the very beginning of his administration, his first few weeks, he wanted to do something military...rash and the guy (i dunno his name, top military dude) was alarmed and said NO. Do you remember what it was?

In 202, the Dems can talk about how ISIS has grown stronger again as a result of Trump's precipitous troop withdrawal.

He wanted a military parade.

He is going to get our military members and allies killed.

How many people have to die before the spineless GOP kicks him in his shrunken dick?

cause Nancy sure as fuck will.

hope she does, r259, but we are so fucked up when it comes to the military and wars in general, I don't know. We are so fucking stupid about war and peace and foreign policy, I don't know we will ever go back to sanity. but maybe, certainly having a Democratic House is a start.

I'm a little worried about what is happening. It feels like something big is going to happen. You can't have a government this vunerable and NOT be a damn targe.

Target.

Sorry. High.

and DL is working my last fucking nerve. CUNTS. What the fuck is with this fucking site tonight.

oh fucking christ with this fucking cunt of a fucking site, jesus mother fucking cunt of a christ.

Amazing.

This is the repub attempt to blame the shutdown on Democrats. The bill of course passed the House but won't pass the Senate unless several Dems turn traitor. That way Trump, McConnell and Ryan can say see? we wanted the bill but the House Democrats blocked us! Even though Trump was caught on camera saying he'd own the shutdown they will obviously blame Democrats. It's a last minute pathetic "strategy". Fox "News" will keep spinning this and you'll see all kinds of angry repubs online

Dems are about an hour past falling for this bullshit. This year is going to be rough, in a good way.

really, seriously, sometimes Dems have the worst instincts, including Nancy Pelosi. But I think we are truly done with this bullshit. I think this is going to be the kind of vicious nasty drag down fight we have all been waiting for. looking forward to it.

We all knew this was going to be ugly. This is our just desserts for not being proactive, voting, being complacent, blahblahblah. AND I realize many of you don’t fit that profile — for you, this is just not fair, it’s just the hand you were dealt. Much of life is not fair, much of what happens is the whim of the Gods.

At this point, it’s like we are on a jetliner going down. It’s going to feel really scary. Maybe really really scary. But the plane is *not* going to crash. Just close your eyes, hold my hand, we will get through it. Hopefully it won’t go on for too long, but realistically, it will be a few more weeks/months of this chaos.

If strong rumors are true, Mueller is prepped to release findings in early February. That is not based on leaks from SC, it’s apparently based on preliminary communications that are necessary between SC and USAG’s office. I can’t confirm this, but sources like Ken Dilanean reported this tonight. Hang on you whores!!!! That mother fucker is like the nastiest, pussiest, most infected zit you’ve ever had. Mueller is a picker, and he’s about to pop this zit.

you have to understand that the repubs are in full blown panic mode. That's why they're clinging SO TIGHTLY to the immigration and wall bullshit. It's a "hope" that excites their base. This is a huge distraction to all chaos happening this week and in the coming weeks with the investigation and all the questionable moves Trump has made.

The repubs are SHAMELESS. They'd rather continue to vilify Democrats than call out the orange turd in the oval office

Amazing, Pt. II.

"But a faction of QAnon supporters has become convinced of an idea that stands out for being ridiculous, even by the standards of QAnon-world. A number of QAnon believers have become convinced that John F. Kennedy Jr. faked his death in 1999, and now shows up at Trump rallies in disguise.

Now someone is taking advantage of that ludicrous belief. For months, a Twitter account called “TheRealRAnon” has been posing as a man some QAnon believers think is actually Kennedy.

In fact, the Twitter account appears to be run by a former Green Party congressional candidate in Arizona who makes money off QAnon supporters through Amazon affiliate links."

I think we DO get it, finally r270. we have to get that they are nuts and there is no reasoning with them. that is what I think, or at least hope, has changed. Dems are finally tired of falling for the same old bullshit.

and please every Democrat with the slightest power: whenever any Republican politician tells you they are terribly concerned about the deficit, please kick them in the nuts. Please.

R268, I concur. It’s going to be bloodier and more violent that we dared to dream. But they deserve a fucking ass kicking. The millions of people who love this country, including people I don’t even agree with (Steve Schmidt?), are NOT going to just hand over the keys and waltz away. It’s not happening. The reckoning is finally here. Everyone stay strong, stick together, know that we are part of the good fight.

Most Americans (by far) agree with us, we outnumber them. Remember that we are the majority when we’re on here debating ideas that we see differently — of course it’s hard to know who is a troll and who isn’t. But try not to let your paranoia overpower you all the time, try not to let the paranoia make you forget that most on this site are not trolls and agree with you in the grand scheme. We all believe in freedom, justice, and liberty for all people regardless of race, gender, orientation, religion, creed, or even political party (that last one is tough for me). We believe in a government that is built by the people, for the people. That is what we all believe in, anything that interferes with those values needs to be called out.

Here here r273. People are finally pissed off enough and ready to throw down for their country. Americans may be insane but they’ll be goddamned if they will give up a single one of their rights and freedoms. It’s going to be bumpy for the next six months, but it will be okay. There’s no way these guys are escaping the Wrath of Mueller.

not a question of paranoia r273. not feeling paranoia at all. I think we are on the verge of a better world. I have faith in this incoming Congress, as long as we all keep our eye on the ball. I don't just want to bring down Trump (although we definitely have to do that). I want to seize this opportunity to overturn all of Reaganomics and all that flowed from that.

This tweet and its replies are cracking me up.

I think we are all learning to fly (or maybe I just really want to post this, because I kinda love it):

R275, mayn’t some are not paranoid. But have you actually been reading this site for the last two years? Paranoia is the new order here because we are indeed infested. Professional exterminators are needed. I’m glad you aren’t though, we need more of your attitude.

yeah it's weird with bots and trolls and the whole damn thing. but we are kinda winning lately. we are. this is a much more pro-gay, or at least okay with gay world than it used to be. and on top of that, we are really sick of Republicans and their bullshit in this country. something is happening, even if it ain't so obvious all the time.

Thirteen days until Jan. 3. Donald goes to Mar-a-Largo tomorrow, right?

Here’s hoping a sinkhole swallows the fat blob.

here's hoping we take our damn country back. we need to earn this damn thing. and I think we are starting to.

To lighten the mood, people on Twitter are still dragging that stupid whore Katrina Pierson at R197.

that does warm my icy heart, r283

There are huge gaps here between posts - five or six at a time, due to people I’ve blocked. I only ever block implicit or explicit pro-Putin trolls, misogynists, homophobes and racists. This has only happened to me on DL once before, in the last days before the November 2016 election.

Thank you, R273, great post.

Also thanks to the poster who said he/she’d hold my hand. Stay steady, everyone.

R285 where are the gaps?

Always helpful to point out the trolling.

I said implicit Putin-supporters too, so that includes Jill Stein fans and BernieBros (not mere Bernie supporters, just the buttery males misogynists). They’re probably not all trolls and I may have hit a few buttons accidentally, but for example:

R247 R248 R249 R250 (but the post seems fine)

R279 and R282 and R284

He's said he's not going to FL if there is a shutdown...his people said.

R289 - I cant see him NOT going to Florida! He hates the whitehouse and only feels comfortable at his own properties - surrounded by evidence of his own superior taste - and as many cronies as they can pack in. Ten to one he’ll get there in a day or two - a little late maybe - but he’s going....

Can I just say how much I hate these traitorous bastards who flip and give evidence to get a lighter sentence - and then afterwards try and weasel out of it and will not acknowledge they’ve even broken laws - let alone behaved in a treasonous manner. All for money. And they want fucking sympathy! I’m looking at you General Flynn!

But the one who chaos my ass right now is fucking coffee-boy Pappodopolous (? Spelling? Who cares!) - is there any chance that he might later get rounded up again and have to answer to other charges? Really - he had two freaking weeks! I really want him to rot in prison along with the others. His hypocrisy and then pretending to be a good boy really - nothing was his fault and he’s been ill-used - to his arrogance and open contempt for the law and how unrepentant he is - he makes my blood boil.

I just hope they have more dirt on him and can add some more charges later on - and no need to get anything from him in return for a plea deal. Just prison. Lots and lots of prison.

^^ lol! Chaps my ass - not chaos my ass! Damn iPhone!

The chinless wonder, Junior Mint, and Kimberly are headed to Mar-a-Lago. Maybe she'll enjoy getting some sunshine by the pool.

The 2013 Cruz shutdown cost the economy 27 billion dollars in lost output, a loss of .06% of GDP

With the market tanking,

with the Fed raising rates again,

with the explosion in the national debt,

Trump cannot afford a .6% hit of the GDP.

If a Bear Market arises and there is an uptick in unemployment...GOODBYE TRUMP.

Also, if Mueller is set to release his report the middle of February, one way to make sure that it becomes public is for Mueller to UNSEAL the sealed indictments.

The shit will hit the fan at the speed of light.

Can some one validate that an indictment can have multiple defendants?

The coming Holidays may be the last one we enjoy for quite sometime--how many years, we can't be sure of. However, these past few weeks would test anyone's faith in our Republic. 'There must be some way we can stop Trump',. We must pull all the stops and take Trump down!

But, in a tiny recess in the back of my mind, I'm hoping we display good judgement so that when we have a Democratic President in 2020, she/he will have all the power possible to get rid of these treasonous Republicans and the Republican Party for good.

[quote]Donald goes to Mar-a-Largo tomorrow, right?

Rick Wilson: What could go wrong when Trump finally gets to Mar A Lago and is surrounded by the dipshits, mouth-breathers, sycophants, and weirdos who make up his circle there?

Fresh pee pee girls be there as a thank you from Putty.

I hope asparagus is on the menu.

#TrumpResign is trending; hilarity ensues

Someone left a big load in a toilet at Costco #TrumpResign

I gotta say that events of the last 24 hours or so have left me kinda stunned. Sooooo much going on! But there’s one little thing that really gets to me when I think about it:

We know she’s an idiot and love to make fun of her here - but Anne fucking Coulter turns out to be one of the most powerful people in the country just now. And she’s not wielding her powers for good!

I mean - just think about the mischief she’s wrought with her comments on Fox the other night...now the government will quite probably shut down. Great going horseface!

So yeah - I wonder if she’s realised now just how powerful she at this moment in time? And if she has - will she try and flex her influence- muscles some more?

And finally - do you think she really believes the shit she spouts? Is it all driven by a fierce ideology? Or is it all just a schtick deigned to appeal to a group of people, which she’s learnt to monterize. I do hope someone behind the scenes is examining her back accounts and tax records and is keeping tabs on who she’s communicating with! Think that could be really interesting...

Dear lord in heaven!

[quote]The Democrats are trying to belittle the concept of a Wall, calling it old fashioned. The fact is there is nothing else’s that will work, and that has been true for thousands of years. It’s like the wheel, there is nothing better. I know tech better than anyone, & technology.....

It's ANN Coulter, R301—no final E for her! And maybe we could start calling her "vote-fraud criminal Ann Coulter." It could get as much traction as Cockgobbler Aaron Cock and bring national attention to the sadly neglected area of right-wing voter fraud.

Coulter is a fringe player. She matters until she doesn't. MAGAs like her until she disagrees with them, then they laugh her off. "She's nuts but she's family."

What is most concerning right now, is the fact that our Secretary of Defense is going. We have no Attorney General, no Chief of Staff in the White House and our Homeland Security is in complete disarray. Putin is definitely calling the shots. Definitely encouraging Trump to shut down the government , being "sympathetic" and supportive, giving "advice" to his friend, Donald.

The moment this new Attorney General is confirmed, he is going to shut down Mueller, or severely limit his inquiry. Trump will/is probably pressuring Whitaker to do the dirty work, so that the new AG comes in clean. If they can get Whitaker to do it, they can dump him and hang this around his neck. He may be stupid enough to think if he does shut Mueller down, Trump will reward him, but the outcry and the taint will be so strong Whitaker will be damaged goods and he'll get buried.

It is my fear that we were the subjects of a "soft takeover" and now the noose is tightening and things will get hard. Trump is going wild. There a re no brakes on this high speed run away train. My hope is that Mueller indicts McConnell, or that some how measures a re taken for McConnell to reverse course or for him to get removed from his post. He is blocking anything resembling pushback against Trump/Putin.

Remember, for dear Ann Coulter Trump isn't extreme and dictator-y enough. That's why she is turning on him at the moment. She wanted him to build that wall and the Dems crying like babies because it gets build.

[quote] Can some one validate that an indictment can have multiple defendants?

Yes, absolutely. Happens all the time, often in large-scale drug conspiracies and RICO cases. But, it will even happen in smaller cases, such as where defendants A and B go on a crime spree and start robbing convenience stores.

Fake news, r289...maybe he’ll prop up a mannequin in the WH. His followers will believe it without question.

I wonder what fat Donnie's sniffing now to get him past these trying times...?

In fact he probably will go to Florida AND shut down the government because.... he doesn't give a fuck. The news media and a lot of other people keep judging his behavior and his antics in the context of a "president." He doesn't know what that is. He neither understands or likes anything about government, about the Law or about Congress. He will never get it. He will never change. He will never care. If you told him that our country would be destroyed on December 23rd if he doesn't sign the legislation, he would not care. His first reaction would be, "Who can I blame?" I don't think enough people in the Media really understand the kind of monster they're dealing with. It's certain Congress doesn't. Or else they are so corruptible they have already surrendered.

Breaking on CNN: Trump has summoned GOP senators to his office for a 10:30 meeting. Evidently he wants them to use the nuclear option for ramming the spending bill through.

R295 we won’t even enjoy this holiday season. I posted this on another thread.... I truly believe that America will break mentally this holiday. Dump should have taken a break until after The holiday to let heads cool re the budget. Inead, he’s going to ruin everyone’s Christmas by playing this out. He so afraid of being called a chicken by the likes of Ann Coulter that he won’t yield. The holiday, already stressful, will be stressed by multiples. Americans don’t like people messing with their Christmas. This is a big tactical error by Dump (has he gotten anything right).

"I truly believe that America will break mentally this holiday"

Mary Christmas DL!!!

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"Trump says" or "White House says" is absolutely meaningless.

Seriously, how many times do they have to demonstrate this before the press catches on?

Are Americans just going to sit there and wait for a paper report while the country is being dismantled and sold to the highest bidder?

Citizens cannot put all their eggs in that shakey basket.

Someone needs to go on TV and SPELL IT OUT.

THESE PEOPLE ARE TAKING OVER THE COUNTRY AND THEY ARE NOT AMERICANS. THEY ARE CROOKS.

Of course he'll go to Mar-A-Lago. And he'll say "Have a great time" like he did after lobbing rolls of Bounty in Puerto Rico.

JFC. Enough with the histrionics already. If your turn off MSNBC and CNN,, you'll find 99% of America going on about their daily business, more concerned about Christmas than they are with what's happening inside the beltway.

The US is not being taken over by Russia. The boogie man Putin isn't lurking in the background manipulating the world. Trump and Congress will resolve their differences.

Tune in to the Hallmark Channel and forget your troubles!

Nothing to see here according to r318. We’re just imaging all of this.

We need to Ukraine these assholes. They did not take it lying down.

Divisive Troll at R318

[Quote] The boogie man Putin isn't lurking in the background manipulating the world.

Despite evidence to the contrary.

R301 Ann Coulter is about saying something shocking, generate reactions, garner lofty speaking fees, get higher paid TV appearances, write books, and making huge bank deposits. She knows much of her declarations sound absurd.

"No, YOU own the shutdown!"

what time is the shutdown?

[quote]The boogie man Putin isn't lurking in the background manipulating the world.

Who knew they had KC and the Sunshine Band fans in Minsk?

There must no longer be a National Security Council. That role has apparently been given to Fox & Friends.

"Your FACE owns the shutdown!"

As predicted, McConnell has declined to use the "nuclear option" (ie, eliminate the filibuster rule) to pass the absurd bill that the House endorsed. It appears that there will be a limited shutdown (nonessential employees of five agencies will be be furloughed) at midnight, tonight.

Why can’t they just override the bill?

The DOJ will be closed up?

Tick Tock Motherfucker

Scrooge McTrump will sign, or he will look like a complete piece of shit, skulking off to Mar a Lago for his joyless Christmas with Marie Antoinette as Federal employees starve on Christmas day.

All for what? Some campaign promise made to appease morons?

Yes, that would go over VERY WELL with independents.

R329, the investigative parts of the DOJ will not shut. Currently there are not enough Democratic House members for Congress to pass a veto-proof bill, unless some Republican House members grow some balls.

It's going to last for a very long time. And if you don't give me what I want, I'M GOING TO TELL!

Heard a reporter who was in the courthouse when Judge Sullivan was addressing Flynn. He reports before the Judge began his remarks, Flynn was laughing and smirking. The Judge's tone quickly wiped that shit eating grin off his face.

Gratifying that "Mr. Lock her up" will likely be fitted for a jumpsuit in March

Flynn is definitely not showing any remorse. He is not repentant. I hope they put his ass in Leavenworth.

looks like it will be very difficult for him to avoid incarceration r335. Even if its a few weeks, after the way he used that "lock her up" bullshit, no tears for him.

“ I don't think enough people in the Media really understand the kind of monster they're dealing with.“

Totally agree, r309. But far worse, about 40% of the American people don’t understand as well.

R336, I need to see that. For my Psychological well being, I need to see Flynn in an orange jump suit, just like Manafort. I want to see him in chains. I want a crowd outside that fucking court shouting Lock him up!!!!! He's a piece of shit. Trump is poised to pardon Flynn. So before that happens I want to see news articles about all the information he gave to Mueller. I want Trump too angry to pardon him.

R337, I believe it is because of the media that a lot of people aren't seeing it. If the media ran around with their hair on fire, focusing on McConnell and others, and really going after Trump relentlessly instead of reporting the latest shit mess, then having pundits "analyze it" public opinion would change. I bet you we'd see Trump's approval down in the low 20's.

WP....

Trump threatens government shutdown ‘will last for a very long time’ if Democrats oppose House bill that includes border wall money

My big toe is more mature than the President of the United States

r263 r264 For some reason, DL uses a huge amount of memory. Do you leave the web page open when your aren't viewing it? I recommend closing the web page, opening it when you want to read and post comments, and then closing it again until your next viewing session.

You know, because length worked so well with the tariffs ...

Trump is committing treason right in front of our faces and we just allow it...apparently people are routinely born with out back bones. I think it is disgusting.

Whitaker is the uglyist thing in ten states...how is the ugly Pillsbary Boy even be listened too?

I’ve been unable to post for a few days. DL is fucked up and, yes, I’m on my phone.

Someone posted in the last thread wondering about whether Erik Prince had been talking to Mueller. I took the bold step of checking Google and there were several articles about how he has been cooperating, and had allowed them to search his cell phones. This is from the last half of Hune this year. Hmmm.

Regarding Matt Whitaker for anyone who might know the answer:

Trump hired him after seeing him on one of CNN's panels. CNN keeps running the clip. Why did CNN hire him in the first place? Why didn't they vet him and find out about all the lawsuits he's involved in before giving him airtime? They are a news organization after all!

And why don't they take responsibility for their blunder?

I saw someone reference me in the last thread (it might have been a Russian troll post?) I am the D.C. gay guy here who lives in the same building as the Manafort/Mueller accountants. I haven’t hooked up with my Congressional FB in awhile so no new tidbits to report. D.C. feels like a ghost town today. People have mostly left by now for the holidays.

Thank you to the OP and others for these threads. They continue to be a source of a lot of comfort and information.

Russia wants U.S. out of Syria among other demands. DJT obliges. He's a Putty asset subject to blackmail. Some Republicans in Congress know Putty has dirt on them too, I. e. receving illegal and unreported cash, undisclosed conspiracies, sexual impropriety, etc. Putty has been at this a long time and is collecting.

r339, The Senate voted 100% for the Continuing Resolution. The House voted for the CR but not with a veto-proof majority and Lyin Ryan left the city for good.

The Trump Shutdown can last until January 3rd when the Senate and House can vote with BOTH veto-proof majorities.

The Cruz Shutdown in 2013 proved we can endure this but Trump risks a .6% GDP hit on his now shaky economy.

Anyway you slice it, it is a Christmas gift to the Dems.

Yes r350, in spite of Vlad’s*best* efforts, every single poster here on DL knows. Anyone engaged in politics who leans left knows. And the left is the majority.

You hear that Vlad???? We KNOW what you’ve been up to, and while is your culture your little smirk makes you seem like an affable and mischievous cub, in our culture it makes you look like a GAY WOMAN. You look gay and very female to us, I know that’s so hard to hear for you (in our culture we revere homosexuality and women). We know what you’ve been up to, and US forces are deciding as I type how to take you out. Your botoxed smirk doesn’t make you look manly — it makes you look like a child, a little boy who didn’t get enough attention his his cold-hearted mother perhaps? Obviously your mother was a cold-hearted whore.

Hopefully an *accident* won’t befall you Vlad. Giggle giggle. So you Ruskie trolls here, your boss isn’t very manly to us. How sad for you. It’s not our fault you were born over there, maybe if you people stood up for integrity and fucking democracy, your own government wouldn’t be robbing you blind while you live like filthy animals. Maybe it’s time to stop allowing Vlad & Co. to bend you over. You could even be strong and contact the FBI and turn states evidence too? The US would grant you asylum for sure.

Justice Ginsburg just had surgery to remove 2 cancerous growths from her lungs......WTF ?????

Shes recovering fine, but this shit has to stop....we cannot allow another Trump Justice pick.

Whether you believe in God or not, we all need to pray....and keep praying.

^^^link^^^

You kow, in a ficitonal movie they would have gotten rid of Putin in some very fitting manner, like on the operating table during a nip/tuck session or being thrown off a cliff by his horse (of course, the horse was a trained foreign spy!).

[quote]maybe he’ll prop up a mannequin in the WH. His followers will believe it without question.

The moral and intellectual improvement would be exhilarating.

Exactly r355. Don’t think for a moment our CIA isn’t attempting. I despise so much of what the CIA has done, but in this instance they would actually be performing an act of kindness for the world.

Ruth Gingsburg just had cancer surgery!!!! heard it on CNBC seconds ago. put her on the death list!

She had 2 cancerous nodes removed from her lung! discovered when she fell and broke her ribs.

Thanks for weighing in, Boris/r358

FUCKING TURD is gonna pick another supreme justice...omg, can Mueller hurry the fuck up?

RBG is 85. Has early stage lung cancer. Damn.

File the fricking indictments. Still pussyfooting around with Roger Stone. Junior Mint and others need to be delivered.

Is this her lame excuse to get some weed?

Between r356 and r363 I only see two posts. Wassa matter, some one get their feewings hurt?

The found no evidence of cancer anywhere else.

They said short of any complications, she should make a full recovery.

trump sure did a good job of distracting us from his criminal enterprises this week. trump foundation shut down, the Mueller investigation and 16 other criminal investigations chugging along, everyone knows he's a stupid criminal mob boss. He listens to and follows fox news marching orders for Christ sake. Who but a stupid hateful idiot does that?

Now we're all up in arms about Syria and shut downs, along with other dangerous crap. They're getting ready to drill for oil in the Arctic. The evil does not stop while we're appalled by the most recent shiny objects.

trump is an ugly twisted monster who truly does not care about this country, it's natural environments, or the people who reside within. Why should he? He belongs to an almost untouchable criminal class wealthy beyond belief, using their wealth to marginalize everyone while they party likes it's 1785.

I am distraught over this. I swear more than I ever did, I feel more disgust than I ever did. I can't believe everyone who comes into trump's line of vision doesn't shout "Liar! Liar! Lying criminal!!" at him. His supporters are stupid, hateful, and greedy. When did this country get so depraved?

I won't state here how I'd like to see this end. It's illegal.

R366 same for me. Seems they're working late in St. Petersburg this evening.

Meant r365

R368, those in the know here call it “the Dallas Solution.”

Everything I feared about a Trump presidency has come true.

I was hoping I was being paranoid & defeatist.

All he had to do was be a figure head. Had he just chilled out, he could have totally gotten away with it all.

I’m shocked by how many “law & order”, “family values,” patriot types still support this mafioso.

Well, r372, me too, and most here I would imagine. But think of it this way.....their willingness to steal from everyone without batting an eye is leading to their complete destruction. No pain no gain!! We’re in the pain part.

Haha, how's it taste, bitch?!

"The former U.N. diplomat accused of helping steal and distribute Republican fundraiser Elliot Broidy's emails is entitled to diplomatic immunity, the U.S. government tells NBC News.

It's the latest blow to Broidy's legal campaign against Qatar and the individuals he says hacked him on its behalf. Several other defendants in lawsuits filed by Broidy including Qatar itself have already convinced the court to dismiss them from the case, which criss-crosses the murky worlds of cybercrime, the Persian Gulf diplomatic crisis and pay-to-play politics in Trump era.

Broidy, the Republican National Committee's former deputy finance chair, is suing Jamal Benomar, a British citizen born in Morocco. Broidy accuses Benomar of being a "key player" in a Qatari scheme to hack Broidy's emails and distribute them to U.S. journalists. The stolen emails exposed how Broidy tried to parlay his access to President Donald Trump into lucrative contracts for his private security company with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, Qatar's chief rivals. Qatar denies involvement in the hacking."

I think the press conflates certain things about Trump. Yes he is NOT an intellectual and is NOT intelligent beyond his ability to scam people and score cheap publicity by appealing to the lowest of his bases' wants and impulses.

I disagree though when they say "he doesn't understand that he's not a dictator/king". I think he understands that perfectly well but he just doesn't give a shit and will push as many boundaries and norms as he can until someone stops him.

and when tv hosts ask why he's making a certain decision...they sound dumb. He's not trying to do the right thing! He only cares about pleasing his master Putin and enriching/protecting himself and his family. I wish they'd stop wondering about his motives beyond those 2 points.

He's dumb, but very media savvy. And enough in-person charisma to convince people to carry water for him.

I don't 100 percent disagree with R376's points, but I'd put really big asterisks on them. A, the media is way too eager to further his agenda (for viewers, out of a misguided sense of "both sides," who knows?). B, that "in-person charisma" was presumably much more potent 30 years ago. He went from "up and coming uncle" to "drunk, pathetic uncle."

[quote]Wassa matter, some one get their feewings hurt?

Yeah, apparently you did.

Katy Tur just tweeted that RBG was on her plane.

R377, part of his media savvy is knowing that the media is so eager. The whole "Fake News!" and "The failing NYTimes!" etc. are part of that symbiotic relationship.

Bullshit, R376. He has kompromat from his muscovite friends and a lot of dirty money. I'm sure the military is pissed about this. He's made no friends with his border deployment bullshit, either. Now he pulls the troops on the eve of an overwhelming victory and fucks the Kurds, again. Erdogen gets his turkey, Putin gets his, and Trump and that family get to live another day.

They make me sick.

Trump is a menace to society.

R381, none of what you wrote actually contradicts what I wrote. He is a compromised buffoon, but he still managed to pull, ahem, "serious" people like Mattis and Mnuchin on board. The people who have attached themselves to his corrupt and destructive ship have been all over the spectrum from the "too stupid to get any other job" to "competent but partisan" to "also dirty as fuck" to "evil mastermind."

Does Mnuchin have a "serious" reputation like Mattis? I don't think so. There was something unseemly he was involved in, related to the foreclosures during the subprime crash.

There's a reason I put "serious" in quotes.

He has people leaving his admin in droves. Most of them give damning assessments of him. Who the fuck could stand with him now?

The repugs are all sociopaths. That party has attracted all the sociopaths. They don't care what pain they cause. They are incapable of feelings.

Now Pres Bone Spurs has wrecked the economy. ONCE AGAIN a repug wrecks the economy. I am SICK of them doing this. Conservatism does NOT work.

He has people leaving his admin in droves. Most of them give damning assessments of him. Who the fuck could stand with him now?

The repugs are all sociopaths. That party has attracted all the sociopaths. They don't care what pain they cause. They are incapable of feelings.

Now Pres Bone Spurs has wrecked the economy. ONCE AGAIN a repug wrecks the economy. I am SICK of them doing this. Conservatism does NOT work.

Nicole says that a close friend of Trump's says Trump is scared, everything is collapsing around him, which is why he's so erratic (Syria, leading to Mattis's resignation; last-minute deciding on government shutdown b/c of Rush Limbaugh et al's comments; etc.). He knows January is going to be VERY different for him (Dems in the House, Mueller, and who the fuck knows what else).

Stock market dumped AGAIN. They know. They know we're in fucking trouble.

Nicole Wallace on MSNBC

Removing Mattis means we're going to go to war when Trump feels most cornered. No one will say "no" when he wants to go to war.

Like evil fucking Nixon.

Uh oh, something's up in the senate. Pence is in Schumer's office

Pence can vote if there’s a tie. Any idea if they’re coming up with something that’s close?

They need 60 votes. A tie is irrelevant.

Pence, Mulvaney AND Kushner

3 on One

They’re playing on Chuck’s vanity

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What is the fucking son in law doing in there? Seriously.

So help me, if Chuck pussies out on this ...

Nicolle Wallace's show has turned into the Let's Freak Everyone Out Hour.

R387 speaking of how the GOP attracts sociopaths and authoritarians, read Greg Sargent's recent twitter posts about polling within the GOP surrounding the Government shutdown earlier this year.

Paraphrasing: Democrats fear negative headlines, because they know that most legitimate media caters to both sides of the aisle, and they don't want to risk alienating conservative-leaning voters.

Republicans do not fear negative headlines as it makes them believe that they're "tearing things down," which is appealing. In other words, the negative press confirms their bias.

I guarantee they're trying to pressure Schumer into thinking about how things will look worse for Dems if they drag this out.

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What's he going to do, r397?

Mnuchin, Mnuchin, Mnuchin!

I hope Chuck isn't getting blinded by the idea of negative headlines. That's just foolish (and I think that's what R397 is afraid of).

Why do the pudits think Republicans will ever oppose Cheetos? Republicans sell our country out for Putin/Trump, everytime they get the chance.

Oh PUH-leeze, now we think Chuck is going to bend depending on which show he’s watching and the coverage? The Dems have a strategy that already allows for press coverage, come on.

What would "Chuck bending" mean, exactly? He's going to force senators who would face a mutiny in their constituencies to vote for the fucking wall?

I think not.

As we already established, a govt shutdown is poo that sticks to Trump's shoe, so he is the one hurt by this. Why would Schumer cave?

They won't have the votes

US stock markets suffers worst week in a nearly a decade.

Republicans will continue to kiss Tramp's ass, no matter what...they all belong to Trump/Putin.

They're probably begging schumer for some type of concession like buying the paint for the wall in exchange for not killing immigrant children.

Trump the Dictator is doing what he can to run the Legislature and the Supreme Court and Americans are allowing it. It makes me sad to watch this grifter take over.

CNN: "Any moment: McConnelly & Schumer to announce possible way forward to avoid govt shutdown." Make of that what you will ...

Actually, my guess is they are going to offer Chuck a “sleeves off their vest” concession - better treatment at the border or Obamacare tweak - in return for cutting the orange turd’s funding in half.

They’ll tell him he’ll be a “Hero,” because he’ll open the government, tout his goody and Trump will only get part of his Wall.

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President Donald Trump's sudden decision to yank U.S. forces out of Syria came after a private call with the hard-line president of Turkey where the president ditched a script crafted by his aides and was told allies fighting alongside the U.S. were terrorists.

The fateful call occurred Friday, according to multiple press accounts, just as Turkey's President Recep Erdogan publicly saber-rattling about a campaign to wipe out U.S.-allied Turkish forces in northeastern Syria.

The U.S. has relied on Kurdish fighters in Iraq and Syria to take out ISIS elements in a multi-year military campaign that Trump cheered on Twitter Friday.

Trump's national security aides prepared a script for the call, which the president abandoned during his chat. Rather than pushing Erdogan, a NATO ally, to hold off on military action, the Turkish leader seized control of the phone call and declared the U.S. Syria mission virtually completed, even as he went after the United States' kurdish allies.

He told Trump 'that the U.S. must stop aiding terrorists in the region and do this as soon as possible,' reported the pro-government Turkish paper Daily Sabah.

According to Turkey's communications directorate, Erdogan was threatening to move military 'at any moment.'

'We talked to Trump. These terrorists have to leave areas east of the Euphrates. If they do not leave, we will dispatch them. Because they are disturbing us,' he said.

On the call, Erdogan was able to seize control of the conversation by pointing to U.S. military success, saying the U.S. had already defeated 99 per cent of ISIS.

When he asked Trump 'Why are you still there?', it prompted Trump to pass on the query to his own security advisor, John Bolton, who was monitoring the call.

Sources on the call said Trump 'quickly capitulated' and yielded to Erdogan's withdrawal demand, the Associated Press reported.

Critical to the U.S.-led anti-ISIS campaign have been Syrian Democratic Forces, or SDF, consisting of arabs and kurds in Syria. The U.S. also backs People's Protection Units, or YPG, which consists mostly of Kurds but who Turkey considers to close to the Kurdistan Workers' Party, or PKK, as Military Times reported.

Dems actually care about workers, Republicans never really care about the American people.

Adding further intrigue to how the decision came about is the State Department's approval, announced Tuesday, of Turkey's decision to spend $3.5 billion purchasing U.S.-made Patriot missile defense systems.

It came amid U.S. concerns Turkey might go with the Russian-made S-400 system, which in turn could allow the Russians to spy on NATO activities.

Trump's decision to withdraw American troops from Syria was made hastily, without consulting his national security team or allies, and over strong objections from virtually everyone involved in the fight against the Islamic State group, according to U.S. and Turkish officials.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Joseph Dunford, wasn't present at a Tuesday White House meeting where the final decision ultimately got made.

'We've been thinking that as the walls close in around Trump, we would have a 'Wag the Dog' scenario where he starts to lash out,' Obama administration Pentagon official Derek Chollet told the New York Times. 'But it won't be getting us into wars — it will be the opposite.'

Adding to the intrigue, Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu tweeted that he has spoken to Trump Monday and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Tuesday and had been told of the U.S. plan – indicating that two foreign leaders may have been in the know before senior military and civilian officials did.

"In no uncertain terms, reporting throughout this story is not true,' National Security Council spokesman Garrett Marquis told DailyMail.com, responding to questions about the call and accounts that emerged in AP reporting and Turkish media sources.

'In no uncertain terms, reporting throughout this story is not true. It is clear from the context that this false version of events is from sources who lack authority on the subject, possibly from unnamed sources in Turkey,' he added.

R414, R415, R416, R417

His buddy Benji N. knew about his military plans before anyone!

Just look at your blocked list, r418. Quite adding garbage to the threads.

I won’t why I blocked r416?

WONDER dammit

Thank goodness RBG broke her ribs so the cancer was caught early.

The Lord works in mysterious and wonderful ways.

There is no way to post on this thread.

Trump seems to have asked Schumer if the $1.6 billion for the Wall is still on the table.

She is 85, she isn't gonna live another fucking 20 years. She is now weak from surgery and who knows what meds she is on. The next president will have to pick another judge, it cannot be TRUMP!

I agree she ought to step down at the beginning of the next decent presidency R426, but my little Jewish Nana is 104 and a half so It is quite possible that RBG may live another 20 years.

Elder Lez, I think the main point is it would behoove us to act with haste — the odds of her going another 20 are not enormous. She will die. If she dies while he’s in office, they have then officially succeeded in gaining a majority on the court. We must do everything possible to not be in that situation. I adore that woman, but she is quite fragile. I believe in hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.

She's tough as hell and I'm sure she'll outlast this tyrant. I hope she lasts long enough for any 'powers' challenge regarding indictment of a sitting President.

No one is above the law. No one.

Roberts just sided with the SCOTUS Dems on asylum.

Somebody on CNN or MSNBC said that with Kennedy gone, he's now the centrist justice (!), so it's possible Roberts will lean more with the Dems. His recent statement on Trump's jab about the "Obama judge" was also a case in point.

Let's hope this is an accurate assessment.

Wait until Trump refers to Roberts as an "Obama judge".

They're kicking the can!

The continuing resolution that everyone expected Trump to sign would have been fine for everyone but Trumpie. Hence, the tantrum.

The CR would have kept the government open till mid February, past the time Trump would have had to getting used to not getting his way.

They're holding the vote until the President, McConnell, Schumer and Speaker all agree. WTF??

Question: Can Mitch talk any sense into Donald? Or at least get him to take his medicine?

A medical expert said it's unusual for a non-smoker to have 2 nodules (cancerous). Plus she had other cancers in the past. One of them colon cancer, I can't remember the other one. She is one tough cookie!

The replies on this are hilarious.

President Doofus has discovered MS Paint.

Perhaps DJT plans to move Betsy DeVos over to Secretary of Defense?

Ben Carson?

So many good responses, but this is my favorite:

Just a little break from this informative, yet nonetheless exhausting thread.

I want to lick the hairy taint of this MSNBC guy.

you make a huge mistake if you think Trump is dumb. He isn't. He is not smart in the sense that he understands how government works and yes, he has serious personality disorders that inform his behavior, but he possesses a low cunning and was smart enough to be effective in his own world. But when he decided to overreach, and aim too high, to step out into the international political arena he fucked himself up. He has a dirty, corrupt, underhanded criminal mind, and he has to be confronted and cornered. He's also a coward so he will fold when he is finally cornered. But as long as he believes Putin has his back he'll continue to hang on. I really don't think t his is going to end well for him. By that I mean I don't think he'll negotiate an exit. He's fucked.

Trump knows that he's fucked like never before. But he still hopes that Putin has still has use for him and keeps him safe somehow until Trump finds some way to escape both the US and Putin (faking his death?).

FINALLY: Here is a pic of the Falwell’s pool boy.

Smoking hot.

The name "Rory B. Bellows" is available, Donald.

For the people saying Trump will never leave the White House.....once a new president is sworn in, all allegiance to Trump by personnel vanishes....they literally will escort him from the premises.

Pool boy context.

4.5 million to the pool boy? That’s A LOT of cash.

Sexy. Not worth 4.5 m., though.

Last one.

Shutdown is officially inevitable. The House has officially entered recess.

I wonder if the pool boy must does anal at those prices.....

King Louis and Marie Antoinette tried to escape to Varennes. We all know how that turned out.

Sorry, wrong thread@ R453, but apropos to the Trumps and Mar-A-Lago.

Paraphrasing a bit, but Schumer basically told the 3 Stooges to suck his fat one.

And you all thought he would cave.

Although let's be honest, Nancy Pelosi has the biggest dick in Washington right now.

I should know this, but if there is a shutdown, how soon could it resolved? Right after Christmas? Jan. 3? Whenever all the funding runs out (in February, I think)?

[quote]I should know this, but if there is a shutdown, how soon could it resolved? Right after Christmas? Jan. 3? Whenever all the funding runs out (in February, I think)?

Unless the current Congress is called back into session, nothing will happen until the new Congress is sworn in January 3rd.

You know, just because they vote for the funding doesn't mean that he will get the funding. The enabling legislation has to be passed and the funds assigned to a specific government agency, and then a fair comment period for interested parties to discuss it. Then guidelines will have to be written etc.etc. It will be a lonnng time before there are shovels in the ground. A very long time.

and on a another note......happening now

A man has climbed the National Christmas Tree and is refusing to get down

I’d guess that R460 is Trump having a breakdown and hiding from Mueller, but a. he’s not that agile and b. that tree would have collapsed under his weight the minute he got a foot off the ground.

Not to mention all of the court battles over land rights, r459.

Mrs Rosen climbed the Christmas tree but he's even fatter than her!

CNN's saying there will be a shutdown at midnight.

[quote] Republicans will continue to kiss Tramp's ass, no matter what...they all belong to Trump/Putin.

That gofundme page, or whatever it is, for "the wall" must be some kind of warped kissing booth.

Ha ha at all of the Schumer Haters HERE!!!!!!

It just burns y'all that he and Nancy aren't just handing over the Democratic Party to AOC or whatever her initials are.

Ha ha!

There's no way the 115th Congress is coming back.

Odds on Trump going ahead to Mar-A-Lago anyway?

[quote]Although let's be honest, Nancy Pelosi has the biggest dick in Washington right now.

Say what?

Can this be verified?

Anyone have her number?

[quote]A man has climbed the National Christmas Tree and is refusing to get down

Is he wearing a caftan and holding a magnifying glass???

In the GHB I'm a very skinny president!

[Quote] President Donald Trump has at least twice in the past few weeks vented to his acting attorney general, angered by federal prosecutors who referenced the President's actions in crimes his former lawyer Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter. Trump was frustrated, the sources said, that prosecutors Matt Whitaker oversees filed charges that made Trump look bad.

I should fucking HOPE the pool boy does anal for $4.5 million.

Rev. Falwell's pool boy had a meteoric rise and is doubtless very clever. But have we figured out how and why Michael Cohen got involved with the situation? He's known for having been Trump's fixer; what exactly needed to be fixed in this case, and were Trump's interests involved?

R473, the Rev was an early, important endorser of Trump. Cohen provided some help, somewhere, to ensure that endorsement , which was necessary to get evangelicals onboard with Trump.

Why did he get 4.5 million? Pool boy? Seriously? This job exist?

Lung cancer is rarely survivable, even if you're in your 30s.

But they didn't say if the nodules were metastases from her pancreatic or colon cancers (which I would put good money on), in which case she is Stage IV and imminently terminal, especially because of her advanced age.

r476 Scans showed no other signs of cancer.

Also, does she need chemo or radiation? Do we have a right to know? She's in Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center in NYC.

Javanka is taking over the government, they discussed on Hardball.

Actually I think she's already back in D.C.

MOST DEFINITELY RETARDED

So as everyone who wants a future career sidles away, key government offices fall to laughable hacks like Whitaker or get absorbed into the Trump family operation. And as our executive functions wither, the Russians pick up the slack. Impeachment can't come soon enough. Or resignation, I'm not picky.

Dated article.

Karen Pence and Kimberly Guilfoyle campaigned for Republican Harris in the NC 9th Congressional District. This was to appeal to the women voters to support Harris.

This is the district whereby the Republican hired an operative who illegally collected absentee ballots that were later altered or destroyed.

[quote]The name "Rory B. Bellows" is available, Donald.

Is his life insured for a surprisingly large amount?

RBG is still in the hospital. They said they got it all and she would need no further treatment but I wondered if she asked them to say that because she will, by sheer will, outlive Trump's presidency and doesn't want him to know.

how can she be back in DC already if she only had the surgery this morning?!

My sister had two lung surgeries to remove cancerous spots. She has survived (this was two years ago) - the cancer has not spread. With RBG, it sounded like good news in that it had not spread beyond the lungs and they have removed it.

Well, she is in the right hospital, one of the best!

She is super lucky, she beat cancer twice already, luck is on her side!

Zoom in at the picture at R481. The “bill” he is signing is blank and it looks like the pen is capped.

R490 oh my sides!

Cancer grows much more slowly in old people.

As others have said, if Jimmy Carter could survive BRAIN CANCER at AGE 90 with immunotherapy and radiation, it's entirely feasible that RBG could live to 100.

welcome to shutdown, people

No one has the nerve to tell him how ridiculous that picture looks? He looks like some comic buffoon. If that were one of those derogatory parody posts he could not look more ridiculous. Is he still getting advice from Bill Shine, Roger Ailes protege?

That blank piece of paper tells me all I need to know about how Trump views all of us. He thinks we’re all so stupid to the point he doesn’t even bother to attempt a feasible lie.

Why are Republicans so ugly, stupid, and corrupt? To be fair, Zachary Fuentes is one of Kelly's boys, not Trump's.

I’ve been on these threads since the beginning but in my work schedule, I missed the whole Falwell thing. Are you all saying the pool boy had an affair with Falwell and that Cohen was paid to help cover it up? How convinced are we of this? And along those lines, why can’t we seem to get info on the Hannity-Cohen relationship? I would *kill* to know what Cohen did for Sean lol.

R498, Hannity-Cohen was most likely real estate related. (my guess)

r499, are you sure her wasn't the sperm donor for Cohen?

Concerning that dude climbing the national Christmas tree...how fucking ugly is that tree?! Does is have white trash net lights? Maybe the dude will self-immolate and burn that ugly tree down while he's up there.

The lights are those cheap sheets of grids, I think. They probably purchased from Hobby Lobby to appeal to the base.

TREASON BUMP

The slate wall will apparently only keep Trump-sized immigrants out.

R498, the lurid but inescapable speculation is that the pool boy started his meteoric rise by having an affair with one or more of the Falwells when they met at the Fontainebleau in 2012. But the whole business exposes the financial (and otherwise) corruption of Falwell Jr. and Liberty University (as possible self-loathing homosexual Brandon Ambrosini usefuly documents in R66 of this other thread). Just par for the Republican course, naturally.

Is Trump serious about potentially sacking Powell,or is it just a distraction?

R506 - if the markets aren't doing well, surely it isn't because of Drumpf.

I'd say Trump firing the Fed guy is about the dumbest thing I've heard, but then I consider all that has happened in just the past week and ...I can't...

R507, I’d say the markets aren’t doing well SOLELY because of Dump. Despite a strong economy, the tariff wars are killing us, and the chaos in the WH, such as the shutdown, are causing people to flee the market. The instability in our government is killing is, and the people fleeing the market see no end in sight since Dump doesn’t appear to be close to resigning.

The day Dump leaves office, the markets will recover slowly. Until then, it’s going to be a bumpy ride.

Are the wealthy/GOP investors enjoying this market volatility?

R509 you're right. Trump's unpredictability with regard to foreign policy is really the killer. It is having an impact along with his stupid self aggrandizing tariff and trade wars. It is getting really clear to all that he is following Putin's advice enriching China and Russia along the way and weakening us. It's bad news for us, bad news for our allies, and very bad news for the world economy as much as for our own. Throw the Brexit mess in to the pot, along with Putin inspired riots in France, and we are on the brink of world Chaos.

r512. What's so unpredictable? If it suits Putin, Trump will do it.

A little holiday fun

r512 and r513, You are both wrong. It isn't a matter of "Putin's advice" or "If it suits Putin"; it's a matter of WHAT PUTIN ORDERS TRUMP TO DO, OR ELSE.

R514, I love it. Thanks for sharing that!

How do you think Susan Collins' concerns are doing? I worry about them.

I too am concerned about Susan Collins, but I am sure in the end she will do the right wing ... uh, the right thing!

Brett McGurk, top U.S. envoy in ISIS fight, resigns

The greatest irony of this administration is Dump campaigned on making America safer through making us “first” and he has immesurably made us more unsafe than ever.

Apparently, Collins was heard to exclaim "Why are you ruining my life!?!?!" when news of the wall-or-bust thing broke on Tuesday. It was on CNN.com, but I'm too lazy to look for a link.

I condole her.

r521 Here you go, lazy.

[quote]“Are you ruining my life?” GOP Sen. Susan Collins (Maine) joked to The Hill when told about the decision. “No. I don’t think the votes are [there], ugh. We can’t have a government shutdown, period,” she said, when asked if there was an alternative to the Senate bill. “It’s never good. How many times do we have to learn that?”

Oh, great

From Robert Reich

What r524 post says because eff Facebook: This morning I phoned my friend, the former Republican member of Congress.

ME: So, what are you hearing?

HE: Trump is in deep sh*t.

ME: Tell me more.

HE: When it looked like he was backing down on the wall, Rush and the crazies on Fox went ballistic. So he has to do the shutdown to keep the base happy. They’re his insurance policy. They stand between him and impeachment.

ME: Impeachment? No chance. Senate Republicans would never go along.

HE (laughing): Don’t be so sure. Corporate and Wall Street are up in arms. Trade war was bad enough. Now, you’ve got Mattis resigning in protest. Trump pulling out of Syria, giving Putin a huge win. This dumbass shutdown. The stock market in free-fall. The economy heading for recession.

ME: But the base loves him.

HE: Yeah, but the base doesn’t pay the bills.

ME: You mean …

HE: Follow the money, friend.

ME: The GOP’s backers have had enough?

HE: They wanted Pence all along.

ME: So …

HE: So they’ll wait until Mueller’s report, which will skewer Trump. Pelosi will wait, too. Then after the Mueller bombshell, she’ll get 20, 30, maybe even 40 Republicans to join in an impeachment resolution.

ME: And then?

HE: Senate Republicans hope that’ll be enough -- that Trump will pull a Nixon.

ME: So you think he’ll resign?

HE (laughing): No chance. He’s fu*king out of his mind. He’ll rile up his base into a fever. Rallies around the country. Tweet storms. Hannity. Oh, it’s gonna be ugly. He’ll convince himself he’ll survive.

ME: And then?

HE: That’s when Senate Republicans pull the trigger.

ME: Really? Two-thirds of the Senate?

HE: Do the math. 47 Dems will be on board, so you need 19 Republicans. I can name almost that many who are already there. Won’t be hard to find the votes.

ME: But it will take months. And the country will be put through a wringer.

HE: I know. That’s the worst part.

ME: I mean, we could have civil war.

HE: Hell, no. That’s what he wants, but no chance. His approvals will be in the cellar. America will be glad to get rid of him.

ME: I hope you're right.

HE: He’s a dangerous menace. He’ll be gone. And then he'll be indicted, and Pence will pardon him. But the state investigations may put him in the clinker. Good riddance.

If even a quarter of that is true -- and I believe it all is -- well, Merry Christmas to Me!

To Robert Reich: You'll have to take President Trump's short fingers from my cold dead pussy!

He won't resign. Not even for Ivanka.

I can imagine him getting convicted by the Senate, and then needing to be dragged from the Oval Office by the Secret Service, while his tiny fingers claw desperately at the Resolute desk.

[quote]HE: Do the math. 47 Dems will be on board, so you need 19 Republicans. I can name almost that many who are already there. Won’t be hard to find the votes.

I can think of a couple that are probably already there. Toomey, Tillis, Corbyn, Shelby, probably Lee. Add in Romney as well.

But I can't get anywhere near 19.

And Collins, obviously, depending on how her concerns are feeling that day.

Probably Burr too.

R525, from their lips to Gods ears. But in the meantime someone has to stop him from doing crazy dangerous shit.

R531 Burr is definite!! You know he will vote to convict. He already knows a lot.

But you know, McConnell is tied to big money people and they need to be clear with him if they really want this to happen. I'm not convinced. I doubt they always wanted Pence. But he'll do. I don't think they care about what's left of the base, but I do believe they care about their donors. Something is missing from the scenario as outlined.....

Add Murkowski as well. Rubio probably. Kennedy? Daines?

[quote]Rubio probably.

He's been a total Trump bootlick. Don't see that changing.

1. Burr 2. Tillis 3. Corbyn 4. Toomey 5. Shelby

Other possibles 6. Murkowski 7. Collins 8. Graham (he might be changes with the wind) 9. Kennedy 10. Rubio 11. Daines

[quote]I doubt they always wanted Pence. But he'll do

Maybe if the choices were Pence or Trump.

Who will be our Arizona Senator by then? Their state is moving toward blue, the pressure could be strong e ouch there. That would get us to 13.

“Out” there

It'll be Sinema and McSally. Don't get your hopes up.

So if Pence becomes president, will anybody primary him?

But will they remove if Pence is also implicated? If both must be removed? That would mean President Pelosi.

r536 Add Romney and possibly McConnell if his corporate overlords demand it.

Murkowski is a lock. She despises him.

Escorted out at gunpoint to await the military tribunal for TREASON

I'm making a christmas wish

Let's bookmark our guesses. If (of course, always if) this comes to pass, we can see how close we got.

Okay, so:

1) Burr

2) Tillis

3) Toomey

4) Romney

5) Murkowski

6) Collins

7) Shelby

8) Kennedy

9) Gaines

10) Corbyn

Any of the rest of the old guard? Enzi? Wicker?

[quote]I can imagine him getting convicted by the Senate, and then needing to be dragged from the Oval Office by the Secret Service, while his tiny fingers claw desperately at the Resolute desk.

Just like [italic]The Color Purple,[/italic] only with a fat, white, diet-pill-addicted Miss Celie!

If the economy faltering is what it'll take to get this madman out of the White House, then I guess we will have to endure it. I personally have not benefitted from the Dotard's "great" economy...

On CNN last night they compared the stock market's performance during Obama's first two years compared to Dump. Take a wild guess which was better.

I would throw Gardner in there as well. He's the most vulnerable Senate Republican in 2020.

So let me get this straight: our biggest national policy advisors are now 3 of the biggest losers in America: Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter. Other than riling up the Trump base, what exactly are their credentials?

what about Bill O'Reily? Wasn't he his buddy?

Twenty Republicans are needed, not nineteen. Conviction in the Senate would require 67 votes.

Don't you kind of wish it was 51 votes and they only had 50? Then Mike Pence would have to break the tie. Talk about theatre!!!!

The problem with the Robert Reich thing is 1) There is no way there should ever be a President Pence. He was head of the transition and there's no way his hands are clean and it seems like things are pointing to him being implicated in it too. 2) If it gets as bad as Reich's "source" says, there's no way that Pence would be able to Pardon Dotard as it would only further make him look like an accessory when viewed with his involvement.

Also, I don't like Reich and I don't trust him. Not since the bullshit he pulled during the primaries.

I have been wondering if Rachel Maddow's Bag Man podcast, about the race to get Spiro Agnew out of office before Nixon resigned or got impeached and he would become untouchable, is her saying that the press knows something they're not yet able to report.

I'm with you, r552. I partially blame Reich and people like him for the Clown's election. He's not trustworthy, as much as any of us would like to believe him.

Don't forget the Prostrate Eight (as the WP referred to them): Sens. Richard C. Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Hoeven (N.D.), John Neely Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), John Thune (S.D.) and Johnson, plus Rep. Kay Granger (Tex.). Prostrate to Putin. They were all in Russia on July 4 2018. I don't think any of these assholes will be voting to impeach.

Yeah, would be interesting to keep a list of those we think would bend and vote to impeach and those we know never will.

r556 You mean convict, correct? Senate convicts and removes.

I think we could get close to 20 in the Senate. We shall see. Who knows how some feel behind closed doors.

I knew there was a reason that I thought Reich was a lying piece of shit but I couldn't remember why. Thanks for reminding me R554. Now I know why I immediately thought his story about his source sounded like a fantasy he made up.

Yes, to convict.

[quote]Also, I don't like Reich and I don't trust him. Not since the bullshit he pulled during the primaries.

What did he do again? The primaries feel like they were a decade ago.

R560 he was a hardcore Bernie supporter who went out of his way in vilifying Clinton.

[quote]Yeah, would be interesting to keep a list of those we think would bend and vote to impeach and those we know never will.

Never: Cruz, Ernst, and Cotton.

Madame President Pelosi would be just fine with me until 2020.

The senator from Texas is John Cornyn, not Corbyn.

[quote]The senator from Texas is John Cornyn, not Corbyn.

Sorry, too much Brexit talk in other threads.

Look mueller releasing his report in February is a guess. Mueller is not going to do that. He is bringing indictments and convictions. He is not going to wrap this up.

Did no one hear Comey last week? Trump went to war against our own intelligence community. People like Comey, Brennan, mueller are beyond politics. And they are beyond angry.

[quote]People like Comey...are beyond politics.

O RLY?

So, he's pissed off the intelligence community, he’s pissed off military command, he’s pissed off (and/or fired) most of his own cabinet...

Add Kevin Cramer (incoming Republican Senator from North Dakota) to the never will vote to impeach list. Seriously, I hope somebody's keeping score.

R568, I feel like it's a matter of time before somebody goes rogue.

Sorry. I don't share your optimism about Graham. And remember the four or seven or however many went to Moscow for the 4th of July? I imagine they'll support Trump. Rand Paul is another one. He will vote with Trump.Betcha. I think Rubio will go the way the wind blows. If McConnell allows this to come to the floor for a vote, he is a yes. If he tries to stop it, he's a no. Not so sure of Shelby or Kennedy either. We should the Republicans who are not up for re-election in 2020. Then fill in.

R570 I'm praying for that. They will become a national hero.

[quote]If McConnell allows this to come to the floor for a vote, he is a yes.

It's not really a question of "allows" is it? If the House votes to impeach, isn't the Senate constitutionally obligated to hold a trial?

I wonder who the House would appoint as a prosecutor. Assuming it doesn't have to be a member, should we assume Mueller?

McConnell is a corrupt, lying, traitor, too. I hate his hypocrite guts.

Yeah and don't; forget that some members of our intelligence community went to war with America when they helped Bone Spurs get elected.

If the House votes to impeach they have to deliver the articles of Impeachment to the Senate. I think the Senate has to review them in committee. If the Committee agrees with the findings they will deliver them to the Floor for a vote, but I think it all goes through the Majority Leader. Not sure I guess I'll have to research the process, because we need to know what the procedure is.

I thought once the Senate has their floor vote, then they gear up for a trial with the Chief Justice presiding. I'd love to see this go through the entire process. A televised trial with Trump forced to sit there and listen to all the charges, and the evidence and the vote to convict!!!!!!! I have a dream!!!! I'm going to go research the procedures.

You wanted to be front and center, Donald ... I don't suppose Ivanka could stand up and shout, "But I'm carrying his baby!"

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r576....r577 is correct....if the House impeaches, it then goes to the Senate for trial with the Chief Justice presiding over the trial.

There's nothing I found in Constitution that says the there is any vote prior to the trial. The only specifics are that conviction requires a 2/3rds majority, and the Chief Justice must preside over the impeachment of a president.

And Roberts has been making his opinion known ...

I don't think Roberts would be anything other than a fair jurist. Whatever I feel about some some of his decisions, I have always thought he has attempted to stick to his interpretations of the law only, and remain apolitical. He seems to want to make sure he has a legacy.

Although, yes, he clearly loathes Trump.

Looks like we're shut down until at least Thursday. Senate's recessed with no deal.

R576 is R577 C'est moi!!!!!! I'm just not sure if once the House votes to Impeach, that the trial in the Senate is automatic. I had the impression it had to be reviewed in committee and the Senate had to agree on the findings presented in the articles. Then it goes to trial. But OTOH, maybe it is automatic. The thing is, if it is automatic, Trump will be in a world of shit. He will not be able to stop it, and he will try. He will try anything. That's why he will need an Alexander Haig type in the WH as chief of staff. No telling what Trump will try.

Has a lame duck session ever gone this long before? The DADT repeal was signed today in 2010, and that was the last thing that Congress did.

[quote]The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present.

That's all it says.

r581

Article 1, Section 2, Clause 5

The House of Representatives shall chose their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

This is why Impeachment is by a simple majority.

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Delicious Dish @ R588!

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[quote]if the House impeaches, it then goes to the Senate for trial with the Chief Justice presiding over the trial.

But the House impeached Clinton, didn’t it? And there was no trial in the Senate. Or am I misremembering?

R591

[quote]On February 12, 1999, the five-week impeachment trial of Bill Clinton comes to an end, with the Senate voting to acquit the president on both articles of impeachment: perjury and obstruction of justice. In November 1995, Clinton began an affair with Monica Lewinsky, a 21-year-old unpaid intern.

Is Patribiotics a legit source?

R593 isn't that Louise Mensch's site? You'll get a lot of conflicting opinions on her around here.

[quote]But the House impeached Clinton, didn’t it? And there was no trial in the Senate. Or am I misremembering?

You are misremembering. He was even impeached during the lame duck session of the 105th Congress and it was taken up by the following one.

As a result, Chuck Schumer voted against the Articles of Impeachment in the House, and against to acquit as a freshman Senator.

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