Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67)

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First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

When will it Be Mushroom Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/21/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Another great title OP!

Things are moving so fast lately, could this be the beginning of the end? Don't know what I'd do without these threads.

What is the cutoff point for these threads? When Trump's out of office? When the film adaptation comes out?

r5....YEARS....it will take that long for the trials.

I wonder if he will be dead from natural causes before all of this ends.

R5 Why on earth are you worried about that when there's still so much to discuss on the subject, and more to come?

This is a website where there's ALWAYS something to say about Vivian Vance, Amanda Knox. Liz Taylor, Patsy Ramsey, Sam Heughan, Armie Hammer, Jeremy Renner, Hugh Jackman, and countless others, even when there's no new news about any of them. But you're looking for the cutoff on a thread abut an ongoing investigation of the President?

This was just posted on the last thread, bringing it here because ho boy!

Pelosi has secured votes.

R5 was a stealth troll post (and barely that). No one is like, “How many more of these are we going to do?” at this particular moment.

R8, don’t forget Gap In-Store Playlists!

Yeah, r11.

The threads will run out when the drama does.

We are living [italic]The Manchurian Candidate[/italic]. We actually have a foreign agent in the White House.

All of our secrets ...exposed to our enemy.

I wonder what Ronald Reagan would think. Hard to believe the party that brought us The Red Scare would be in bed with the reds.

He’s dreaming of cock.

R9

I just wanna pull her fucking out.

^^^^^^^ *hair

when is Flynn getting sentenced? I thought it was today but apparently not?

r13, If he weren't already dead, this would have killed him!

r17, next week some time.

r17 December 18

Is that article at r9 for real? Cuz that’s kind of all she wrote, right?

[quote]We are living [italic]The Manchurian Candidate.[/italic]

Only MOST DEFINITELY RETARDED

This came up on a prior thread, whether the GOP Senate will start turning on Trump. So far, they're still all in.

The HIll Reporter at R9 is saying Erickson set up the backchannel between Russia and the Trump campaign in Dec. 2016. The election was over by then; Trump obviously had had contact with the Russians before then. There must be more to the story.

[quote]Is that article at [R9] for real? Cuz that’s kind of all she wrote, right?

Does HillReporter.com seem like the most reliable of sources?

That's actually a funny and most relevant pic, OP.

R23, there's definitely more, because we know after the election Kushner asked the Russian ambassador about setting up a "private" communication channel with Moscow.

R24, she's citing this ABC News story:

Oh lawd, more than one of my delusional FB friends shared this, His supporters will never wake up...........

“My heart hurts for our President most days....and this is coming from someone who was extremely anti-Trump in the beginning. Here you have a man who is doing what surely is the toughest job in the world -- for free. He donates every single one of his paychecks to an American cause. Whether it be towards our infrastructure or to a veterans organization...he has kept his promise.

He has kept many of his promises to Americans, and yet each day I turn on the news and without fail, the media has found a new way to slander him, to smear him, to accuse him of things that are despicable lies. I often wonder...does anyone think critically anymore? Does anyone wonder why there is so much hatred for one man? All you ever hear is "He's racist" "He hates Jews" "He hates blacks" "He's a bigot" and on and on and on they go. Yet a simple google search will bring up pictures of Trump with the black community receiving awards, or Trump praying at the holiest site in Judaism - the Western Wall. You'll see him hugging frail black grandmothers, or kissing and hugging on little black babies. You can find story after story of instances where he's heard of someone who is suffering and moved heaven and earth to help them while never seeking the spotlight for doing so. Yet you'll never hear those stories from the media. Have you ever asked yourself why?

Over the years this man has watched America be robbed blind by other foreign nations, he's watched as politicians have made promise after promise to garner a vote and yet break those same promises time and again, he's seen families be traumatized and forever destroyed by drugs, gang crime, and loss of livelihoods.

Simply put, he's watched with great sorrow as the American spirit was broken and I honestly believe it broke his heart.

He didn't need this job. He had a good life. It should have been time for him to slow down and enjoy the fruits of his labor - but he loved America. He loved her people. ALL of her people. He vowed to make America great again - and by God he has kept his word. I love our President and I know he cares deeply about me. But yeah - my heart hurts for our President most days..."

"this is coming from someone who was extremely anti-Trump in the beginning"

Hahahahaa, what a fucking liar. Absent major head trauma, who on earth would start out a hater but BECOME a Trump fan over the last 3 years?

[quote]Absent major head trauma, who on earth would start out a hater but BECOME a Trump fan over the last 3 years?

I assumed the deluded fb friend of R27 started by supporting Cruz or one of the other creeps who were running.

That's not the same as being "extremely anti-Trump". This is the equivalent of "I'm a lifelong liberal Democrat, but..."

It's always fascinating how people will claim to be "concerned," or "think Trump can do better," but will then turn around and say something like, "But I still think he's doing the best he can."

....and it all started by a golden shower in a Moscow hotel room six years ago.

What did Putty do to those poor pee pee girls. An international tribunal is needed to demand answers.

Analogy to Pence

Still not home. Can you tell me, was Cohen taken directly into custody?

The economy sucks and seems like it’s going to collapse at any second. Hope I’m wrong.

Richard Painter comment

Please....its obvious that garbage at r27 is a propaganda piece. Its obvious from the structure and the message. My guess, based on the rhetoric, is that it was promoted by one of the evangelical organizations.

There actually seems to be a coalescing opinion—outside of the Republican party, whose members are in actual or pretended denial—that the Trumps are criminals who must and will be prosecuted. Is this really happening?

We all knew of their evil but I was scared nothing would happen.

Datalounge has kept me hopeful these last two years.

I'm wondering if the Butina-boyfriend-NRA-RNC-GOP connection may prove to be the first stone overturned in a scandal even bigger than the Trump business. We may be looking at an entire political party leadership co-opted, knowingly or not, by the Russians. Think of the people who had charge of the RNC...that guy Broidy is a total crook, isn't he, and wasn't Cohen a co-chair at one point? What are the ties to the destructive McConnell, to Nunes, Gowdy, Rohrbacher, Ryan...the list goes on and on. How much leverage did Putin get over them? Where do Murdoch and the Faux Propaganda channel figure in all this? Cause you know they do.

Looking at this two years ago, I expected corruption and collusion. The suprise now is the vastness and depth of the criminal activity. There's been nothing like it. Watergate was jaywalking compared to this criminal mess.

All this delicious furor over two campaign finance violations. Just wait until the money laundering stuff is fully exposed. The man is a genuine mobster. That’s who the GOP and their idiot base put in the WH.

It's going to be so much fun drinking this all in.

I am just a tiny bit surprised (like tiny tiny) some in the Senate have not started turning on Pres Bone Spurs. Susan Collins has shown her ASS in the last several months.

Hysterical, OP.

Christmas toasts all around!

r32, it was not a golden shower, if it even happened, the girls peed on a bed, not on Trump.

Susan Collins did vote with the Dems today - and it passed the Senate - some Bill about dark money.

People are saying they peed directly ON him, R46. MANY people.

WHO is saying that r48? Because my info comes straight from the Dossier.

When are these guys going to start killing themselves - Manafort, Cohen, etc? Have at it, traitors.

We're closing in on three weeks until Jan. 3.

R46 Steve Doocy

I wonder if we might get something like this -- starting at 7:11 -- in the near future?

Just want to post a little FYI sidebar: When a new President takes office, his triumphant political party names prominent supporters to their "steering committee." These appointments are made in cooperation with the President and his advisers, to make people feel important. Sometimes, they actually a re important. But the main purpose is access and fundraising. There are maybe a dozen or more people who will get the title of "Co-chair" of the Finance Committee. Usually they are big donors and are good at fundraising and have given a lot of their own money to the party in power. So for Cohen and Broidy to be named on the RNC as Finance guys, is just some bullshit really. it doesn't confer much status on them, but if Broidy calls you and tells you he's now co- chair of finance for the RNC, you'll be impressed because you're a buddy of his and you can tell people you know someone who is wired to the WH and he's on the RNC Finance committee. So that's how it works.

The latest Chief of Staff speculation and Rick Wilson's endearingly cunty response

He sure knows how to act like a prick.

Psycho (1960)

R34, if you still haven’t gotten home, Cohen doesn’t have to go to prison until March.

They’re saying if he cooperates more, in theory he could get a reduced sentence even now, but they think he’s shielding his wife and other family members who conspired with him to evade taxes. So he’s still keeping secrets and for that reason he has to serve time.

What is he thinking?

“Things are all going exactly according to my plan. I’m a genius! Bwaaa-ha-ha-ha-ha!”

Pres Bone Spurs and Pence are both bad. I don't fear one more than the other.

Maybe Pence is consoling himself thinking about all the rough trade dick he'll be getting in prison.

R57 that is freaking amazing!

R40. Why do you think power hungry bottom Ryan resigned? The GOP is all on the take to Russia. 8 heard it from a reliable source. Of course they are. Follow the money.

J'adore r57.

That is brilliant at R57!!!

[quote]He donates every single one of his paychecks to an American cause. Whether it be towards our infrastructure or to a veterans organization...he has kept his promise.

Is it me, or does this seem even more made up/delusional than the usual Deplorable articles of faith?

[quote] He has kept many of his promises to Americans,

Wait. Who's paying for that fucking wall? Not the Mexicans.

R37 is correct. The syntax of that tripe is a classic

FWD: FWD:FWD email from your evangelical auntie.

though the one that cracked me up the most was

[quote]where he's heard of someone who is suffering and moved heaven and earth to help them while never seeking the spotlight for doing so.

Fuck that fake shit and fuck those fucking Deplorables who fucked up our country . . . temporarily.

Finally it looks like there might be justice and a return to relative normality. Fuck these last two years.

The Evangelicals have finally shown themselves for who they truly are- they've never been about Jesus. These are greedy, money worshiping, suppressing, non-Bible following hypoChristians. They'd sell their soul to the devil to achieve CONSERVATIVE policy. Conservatives long ago saw Evangelicals are ripe for the picking (like Putin saw Pres Bone Spurs) and slowly assimilated the two groups until their identity, being a Christian, is synonymous with conservative.

I can't imagine Newt dealing with Ivanka and Jared very well. In fact, I don't think he'd put a dent in the chaos. He's just another blowhard.

Just another prick.

All I can say is that if God picked a dumb prick like Mike Pence as his representative here on earth HE needs to be completely ignored.

damn, it would be hilarious if Newt became chief of staff ... just in time for another moronic government shutdown

Ahh, good times, good times

R9, Ho-leee shit. That is nuts! Wonder what MemyfatherMeghanMagaPatriot will say now about her precious NRA being an outpost for the FSB?

R15, me too. I want to yank it all out of her head

R40, oh I would sing and dance if that Murdoch fuck went down too. Who would take over the investigation? Once Mueller submits his report who keeps going with all the worldwide stuff, cause you know the Mercers and Brexit are connected.

What exactly does Oence do? Besides sleep through meetings, flash Blue Steel across the Korean DMZ, and spend 200000 to fly to an NFL game and walk out, what does that closeted Jesus Freak do?

I almost want him shamed more than Flynn. And I really hate Flynn, fucking traitor.

yes, you always have to worry and watch out for the quiet ones (like pence).

Here is a previous story about Butina's pathetic boyfriend. He is being investigated for fraud as well as being an agent for Russia. He contacted the Trump campaign in May 2016 about arranging a meeting with Putin.

R78, plotters gotta’ plot, that’s what he’s doing.

Here’s what my epiphany is, I just know you’re dying to hear this haha.....but seriously, the Law being bigger than any single man, the concept that no is above the Law in America, well, that doesn’t hold any power by itself. After all, that’s lirerally just an*idea*. But what gives that idea power and energy and momentum is our *belief* in that idea. The stronger our belief is, the larger the number of citizens who hold this belief, the more deeply convicted we are that this idea is the keystone of American democracy, the better our odds of beating the GOP/Trump/Putin. We all must be fully convinced that this idea is so powerful, so true, so good, that we create power, energy, and momentum from our belief. And that’s how the idea transforms from merely a belief into real-life, tangible action. “Right thought leads to right action” so to speak.

The more convicted we all are of the inherent and sublime idea that no American may be able the law, the more we actually create the environment needed to clean this mess up. The stronger we are in this, the more of them go to prison. Cause/effect.

I can’t accept that ANY Republican who has ties to Russia will walk — I don’t accept that, I will NOT accept that. I don’t need to give you the list of names, you know who they are. They all, each and every rotten one, down to their fucking coffee boy, must be made an example. I won’t accept anything less because I really REALLY do believe that no one is above the fucking Law!

We’ve been eating their shit for decades. That ends now. Please meditate and ask yourself “Should any person be above the Law in America?” “How will our country be affected (both pros/cons), if we lower this standard and make exceptions to this idea?” “Am I honoring this idea in how I’m living my day-to-day life?” “How can I make my country better?” These are questions I hope you’ll ponder if you aren’t already. And if you are already there, then how can you help others be convicted of this belief? We need to work together.

Fox’s Napolitano: We learned today that prosecutors have evidence Trump committed a felony

Fox News legal analyst Andrew Napolitano said the American public "learned" on Wednesday that federal prosecutors have evidence President Trump committed a crime.

"Career prosecutors here in New York have evidence that the president of the United States committed a felony by ordering and paying Michael Cohen to break the law,” Napolitano said while speaking on Fox News. “How do we know that? They told that to the federal judge. Under the rules, they can’t tell that to the federal judge unless they actually have that hardcore evidence. Under the rules, they can’t tell that to the federal judge unless they intend to do something with that evidence."

R80, we have loonies here who would fuck Chinless jr so you just know that someone will find that doucheknuckle "hot".

Just typing that makes me want to vomit.

Can I just say how glad I am that Trump was New York based while he committed all these crimes. Imagine if he had done all of this crap in some red state like Georgia where the prosecutors and jurors were all deplorables. SDNY is going to stomp his entire family into orange tinted dust.

excellent. felony. means how many years behind bars?

Messages like the ones R27 posted are posted and getting disseminated by GOP and Russian trolls using fake fb profiles.

Don't fall for them - and, if possible, don't make others fall for them.

R83, I swear, you have to be an uggo to be a Republican. It's a requirement.

r85, The Cohen sentence sets the low bar for people higher on the food chain. So, so far, its 3 years.

Hannity deletes tweets related to Michael Cohen! somebody's scared! but did this dumbass really think that if he hadn't deleted them by last April (when it was publicly revealed he had hired Cohen in some capacity), deleting them now would prevent them from used against him? People obviously already saved them

Too bad, Seany boy. All your tweets are saved by so many people that deleting them is futile. What a jackass!

Still processing Trump's comment to Reuters that if he was impeached, 'the people would revolt.'

So much in that smug throwaway hubris.

A) Impeachment is admitted as a clear and present danger.

B) His gambit against that is not to refute the basis for any such momentous charge - but just to threaten mob violence.

C) Which is also of course an incitement to violence for those he knows to have such a willing propensity. We know there are many earlier such examples, if not previously on the level of 'the people.'

D) 'The people' is an obvious arrogant pseudo-dictatorial corruption of power. It's typically grandiose, fitting in with so many diagnoses of his mental health.

Doubtless some stupid thugs will violently act out when detailed objective charges are brought against Trump - he's given them permission. But millions upon millions more will vehemently urge justice to be done.

Yet again, Trump sounds inadequate, desperate, and grossly irresponsible.

The idea is to set up the narrative that you get much less time when you cooperate and provide useful intel. That's why the thing with Manafort is so important to make him an example of someone who thought he could screw with Mueller and his investigation and get away with it. Manafort will get some major punishment not only because he deserves it but for the optics.

Trump has been cleared of all innocence.

The orange turd really thinks people are going to lay their life down for him. When even his own friends are flipping on him. Delusional.

r94, red pill, blue pill...

"Suppose I invoked a war and nobody came?"

R67 I’m glad you brought that up. I’ve heard this from Trumptards many times. The only cause Trump gives to is himself and where is proof where his paycheck goes?

The Turd is the biggest hypocrite around: he wants complete loyalty yet he backstabs those around him at a turn on a dime. Besides Ivanka, I think he’s completely friendless.

Has he done a nose job? How can one's nostrils be so narrow? Seems to me evolution would have selected against this trait for being dangerous to the pneumatic activity of the organism.

Ivanka, Sophia, etc.; all want the Trey Gowdy nose:. small, thin, upwards nosril holes. Not original for him either.

Pence needs some of this:

The one thing I worry about is the current situation lasting too long. Yes. These past two years have been a nightmare. One outrage following another, bad news coming so fast we can hardly keep up with it, digest it, understand it. But at a certain point it becomes the "new normal." We get inured to it, and a kind of mental and emotional fatigue seeps in. We'll continue to bitch, but underpinning it all is a kind of resignation, and that is lethal. That is the end of us.

So pace yourselves and nurture your anger. We need to be like long distance runners. We need to play chess, not checkers. It's kind of like getting new neighbors and they have a horrible, despicable kid who behaves really badly. At first you're disgusted and avoid them. Then you get used to them, and try to understand and analyze his behavior, and finally you're resigned to it because "that's just how he is", and you start explaining and rationalizing his behavior even as you insist you still find it unacceptable.

Trump is unacceptable. This situation is unacceptable. It's an aberration. When something is unacceptable that means we do not accept it. We reject it. We stand firm. We keep pushing forward and sometimes we call it victory when we don't lose ground, but some times it's a clear victory where we gain ground, and we keep going. 40 House seats? Well, yeah, that's a historical first. But we can't just pat ourselves on the back and go back to our couches. We have to take the Senate next and then we re gain the White House and this time we remember how bad it can get when we don't show up. We plaster a picture of Trump in the White House with Christmas Trees and we look at it every day.

We have to show up and participate. It's worth it.

King Donald XVI

R97, and others, this is typical with Deplorables. Next they'll be ascribing miraculous powers to him: Signs and wonders. I've already watched some delusional Evangelicals talk about they believe he was "ordained by God" to come to us at this time." They believe that shit. They have to imbue him with certain qualities in order to justify their acceptance of his outrageous behavior. I had a cousin who was a piece of shit. He was always in trouble, in and out of jail for petty bullshit. A loser. And my grandmother had a soft spot for him..."he has a good heart, he means well, ...he took his mother to the doctor the other day... he changed the light bulbs for me..." He died in a car accident 6 yrs. ago, and now when they talk about him, he's like an angel!

A redditor pointed out this tweet. Reince Priebus, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, was in Trump Tower on the day of the Russian meeting.

Another treasonous silence....

"As he left the court, Cohen did not pause to speak to journalists. Mr Trump ignored reporters as they asked for his reaction later at the White House."

Oh yeah Mike Cohen the big hero.

What a petulant child. He has cancelled the annual White House holiday party for journalists.

Maybe he was afraid that the "enemies of the people" would disrespect him and not show up.

The twaddle that R27 reprinted is certainly just some boilerplate put out by a rightwing source for dissemination by their gullible marks. Here's another example of it turning up on someone's sister-in-law's fb (scroll down to "woodsprite").

Here's some loser sharing it sincerely ("I saw it on a friends timeline just now") on their blog: texastrumptrain.wordpress.com/

You can google and find other instances.

Pence was recharging, not sleeping, if you look closely you can see the cord.

Drumph is guilty of felonies related to campaign contributions, despite what the morally and blackmailed cowardly minions in the Congress are trying to claim. The southern district has documentary evidence that is incontrovertible. The southern district of NY does not make prosecutory declarations like they did in court yesterday without stone cold hard evidence. Tape recordings, paper trail, witness etc.

Having said that, while these are SERIOUS FEDERAL CRIMES they are nothing, zip, nada, compared to the MANY additional consipiracies and felonies the corrupt, sick minded asshole has been at the center of or the periphery of for decades up to and includind while he was in the WH.

Several of these conspiricies that will be revealed to be central to HOW he won the election, thus making way to indict a sitting "president"

He will be removed when 1/100th of what he is done is known.

Anyone who thinks Meuller doesn't have the goods on this creep is deluding themselves. HOWEVER it is up to congress to follow through and when some of this is known they will have no choice but to betray the foreign bosses they surreptitiously serve and act like they have the US interests at heart

Btw, Pence may or may not know this but he is no doubt implicated. Pence was Maniforts pick and Manifort picked nobody that didn't have Kremlin approval

My take is that while Manafort is obviously a Kremlin asset doing their bidding and making deals for himself, Manafort is an old hand at Republican Party political maneuvering. He was juggling a lot of balls in the air, and among them were the Kochs. He compartmentalized various segments of his operation to get Trump elected, and the Evangelicals, the Kochs, etc,.a lot of moving parts had to be locked into place. Hence, Pence. (!) I think they saw Pence as basically a sop to the Religious Right. He hated all the right people and he was not the brightest bulb in the box. Compliant, easily manipulated. For all we know Manafort probably consulted with several operators before landing on Pence. I'm sure McConnell and the old Dons of the Party were among them.

[quote] I think they saw Pence as basically a sop to the Religious Right. He hated all the right people and he was not the brightest bulb in the box. Compliant, easily manipulated.

All true. And, that does not preclude the fact that he could be complicit in the illegalities. Clearly, he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but at this point a box of rocks would have to know all the corruption that is swirling around him.

Manifort picked Pence. Not the religious right, not rethug leadership in Congress. Manifort picked Pence. That's really all you have to know in the larger context of these scandals.

R111, I think that’s too naive. Who had ever even heard of Pence before suddenly his name came up out of nowhere? Zero accomplishments, and too religiously radical for even his own state. And he was going to lose his election at the time.

Pence owed somebody. Maybe Russians financed his previous election and they wanted to use him somehow because he owed them.

They have succession planning in Russia, just FYI

[quote]What a petulant child. He has cancelled the annual White House holiday party for journalists.

It's a War on Christmas!

Pence didn't have zero accomplishments; he'd been a member of the House for 12 years (where he was Chair of the House Republican Conference) and governor of Indiana since 2013. He was not the most popular governor and might not have won reelection. He was an obvious choice for someone looking for a running mate who would appeal to fundies and conventional rightists. But I take the larger point that Pence is de facto implicated in the campaign improprieties.

R116 - WRONG!

It's a war on holiday.

[quote] Clearly, he is not the sharpest knife in the drawer,

I respectfully disagree. I think he is very smart man, and a very dangerous one.

Priebus is part of that Wisconsin Republican gang with Walker, Ryan, and much of the GOP state legislators still trying to to hold power through sleazy means after taking big losses in the midterms.

Pence may be cunning and dangerous, R119, but I still don't think that he is particularly smart.

Don't say later I didn't warn you r121

I'm not saying Pence wasn't complicit, I'm just saying that Manafort would have wanted the party leadership and their main donors to feel like they had some input. Remember. Not everyone was on board with Trump back then.

This is an article from last year containing comments about Mike Pence from his brother.

Mike had a nickname of Bubbles.

The brother quoted in R124 is the father of DL icon John "Gay Face for Days" Pence.

Pence is not smart the way most of us think of smart. Because really an extreme religious Republican? How smart can that be, right? But he is not a dumb Republican. He is a calculating, dishonest, underhanded piece of shit Republican. And R120, I want to thank you for reminding us about the Wisconsin cabal. There are no clean hands in the Republican Party. None.

Getting back to Pence, I just want to call it to your attention that no one ever heard of Spiro Agnew before Nixon picked him, and no one ever heard of Dan Quayle before he was chosen by 41. The point is they were all looking for someone who'd counter-balance Trump. The contrast between Pence and Trump is stark, & he's so publicly religious, as a real bonus, satisfying the Evangelicals.

So, Pence satisfied a lot of concerns with the Party regulars as well as donors. Manafort knew that in order to get his own agenda for Russia put into action he'd need the cooperation of the Republican leadership many of whom were not on the Trump bandwagon leading up to the convention. Pence checked a lot of boxes and Trump had no reason to worry that Pence would take attention away from him as someone like Chris Christie might. Too bad he didn't take Christie. Because Christie would have been pushing Trump off a cliff by now so he could be President.

It was the Koch Bros, perhaps particularly Charles, that were behind Manafort pushing DJT to name Pence as VP nominee. The Kocha are opposed to environmenal regulations so their industries can exploit the ground, air, and water for added profits. DJT and Pence have delivered to the Kochs. The GOP members of Congress will not abandon Trump & Pence until the Kochs say so, and Trump/Pence are no longer useful, or become a detriment, to the Koch agenda.

I forgot to add one thing, regarding Manafort and his "former" partner Roger Stone. I have to wonder who else Manafort compromised in Congress? Yes, I believe that as an old Political operative, a familiar figure around the halls of Congress and the corridors of power, Manafort knows a lot of people including members of Congress. So he had to have directed a lot of the Russian money that was flooding in. Those oligarchs didn't give money to GOP Super Pacs in the House and Senate without consulting with someone. The oligarchs worked through Manafort. So yeah, we're waiting for all the dirt Manafort was involved with to come out.

A little OT (and really creepy) but that photo of Pence reminds me of the Victorian memento mori photos.

BREAKING: Maria Butina Admits Conspiring as Kremlin Agent Targeting GOP, NRA

Why doesn’t anyone like the Precedent?

Oh, snap ...!

Maria Butina's story will make a fabulous opera, don't you think?

And we're only ending Act 1.

Still to come, her lonely imprisonment (a chorus of orange jumpsuits), interrupted by nightmares of Putin, then visits from a threatening Mueller.

Then release is offered, but where will she go? Will she die in a hail of bullets outside the prison, or will she be poisoned by her first cup of Stabucks as a free woman? Will she risk returning to Mother Russia and an unsure welcome? Will she wander the world, unwelcome if not forgotten everywhere?

Everyone else is thinking about the movie, but this is Opera.

Or will she make an appointment with "The Duchess," the infamous Miami "silicone doctor" who injects hardscrabble trannies with Fix-A-Flat?

Opera, sure, but I've got Sutton Foster willing to star in the Broadway musical.

I think Jared is still giving Intel to the Saudi's and the Turks.

Turkey just announced they are going to launch more attacks against the Kurds in the next weeks. I believe Jared fed the Turks more Intel and that's why they are launching this.

That little shit has burned our assets and nobody will want to chance working for US Intel again.

I want that sniveling little cunt to suffer for this.

Former [italic]Apprentice[/italic] staffer claims Cheeto snorted Adderall, is barely literate, inspected beauty queens like cattle

R114 is on to something. There's a *reason* Pence was picked and it's not necessarily obvious yet. Pence was an odd fit for Trump and was no doubt forced on him. Yes, it made sense to tap someone who would make the evangelicals happy, but Trump would have wanted someone more charismatic and a "winner," not low-energy Pence who was at risk of losing his own election in a red state.

R139 Rachel Maddow discussed it. It was the entire first segment of her Tuesday evening show.

Pence was chosen because he's a lowlife, moon-eyed opportunist who would say or do anything for his agenda. What is that agenda? Nothing but the complete annihilation of our civilization so Jebus can return.

According to this Apprentice staffer, Trump liked to sniff crushed Adderall. He can't read. He was a creep with the Miss USA teen candidates. Invited the ones that looked like Ivanka to his room.

The Adderall stuff doesn't surprise me. But, can't read. Dyslexic?

We all knew he was on something.

Pence was chosen, because Trump wouldn't want someone who could outsmart him and have the cunning to push him off his throne. To Trump he was just some bland bible thumber who prays a lot. Pence also wouldn't dare to stand up to the ones who own Trump (Koch Bros. and Putin). Pence is allowed his religious right pet projects but he's not getting in the way of destroying the US (hell, Pence and his agenda benefits from a destroyed US where people have to turn to churches for food, shelter, and "spiritual" guidance).

That's correct, R144. The US has to go 'xtian' before jebus will return. I'm sure that 'humanitarian' aid will be like that bitch Mother Theresa's: conversion before soup.

Why isn't more attention being given to the fact that criminal Michael Cohen was also Sean Hannity's lawyer?

What was he doing for Sean Hannity?

Why is Sean Hannity still allowed to report about the investigation?

hopefully he won't for very much longer.

Cohen’s Time, if the same for Trump, is not enough.

R89, the “thumb’s up” has been ruined for me. It’s generally been used in situations that are at least somewhat perilous. The sign is used after the fact to signal that you survived the event. These days, the Right uses it in their photos when all is well. We already know that all is well, or they wouldn’t be posing for a photo. What exactly are they signaling? That they aren’t being held hostage?

It’s also a sign that adolescences have long used, because they’re children. Another Trump manerism to be ground into the sand when this is all over, please.

What about Mueller and the Anthrax/Dr Hatfill case? Mueller completey messed up the entire investigation and went after the wrong man. And that’s not the only one he’s fucked up. I think Mueller has been chosen to lead this investigation and then drag it out for years. And just like the anthrax case - which took five tyears - it will end up amounting to nothing.

Got a lot of convictions and confessions for a fucked up investigation....that's still going on, R150. Scared much?

I’m pissed that there is this policy of not inditing a sitting President, despite no law that effect. How would we work to reverse this?

We have a Russian asset as President and felon. This can’t be allowed to stand.

R151: I’d like nothing more than to see Trump marched out of the White House in a set of handcuffs, however, I’m not deluded enough to think Mueller is the man who’s going to do it. I’m not scared but sad, ‘cause unlike you I think this whole thing is a set-up.

I think Mueller was chosen to drag things out and make the “appearance” of seriously investigating Trump, when in reality it will amount to nothing.

R150=tragic lies. The FBI early on announced that Hatfill was not a suspect in the anthrax case; it was The NY Times and Vanity Fair who were baying for his blood. The investigation was very difficult, because the perpetrator was clever; he killed himself just before he was arrested.

If he really was cleared as a suspect, r154, then why did Mueller spend five years investigating the wrong man?

R152 Thank you for bringing this up.

It's a "policy". How many policies has Trump broken since taking office? It's why many believe the we CAN indict a sitting President. An example of another legal matter that isn't as clear-cut as some claim it to be, one that is open to both interpretations, including that they CAN indict. Lawrence Tribe was discussing it on Lawrence O'Donnell on Monday, then again with Chris Cuomo on Tuesday. Check out Tribe's twitter feed.

It's been reported that Jerry Nadler does not want to push for Impeachment, although, by law, he may have to now that so much has been revealed. Its not that he's against it in theory. He's fairly certain that no matter what would come out during the trial, the (corrupt) Republican Senate would vote against it, so it would be a huge waste of time and taxpayers' money. I agree with him. I think he's trying to figure out a way they can go straight to an indictment. At least I hope that is what he's doing.

Anyone here with legal knowledge please participate. Thanks.

I find it hard to believe Trump could be illiterate. More likely, at his age he needs progressive lenses but refuses to wear glasses.

It's not that Trump can't read, it's just that it's clearly laborious for him to do so.

Not even discussed anymore are:

Trump’s confession to Lester Holt, that Trump fired Comey to squash the FBI’s Russian investigation.

Trump’s confession to the Russians in the Oval Office shortly thereafter of the same.

Trump‘s lies on Air Force One about not knowing of the payoffs to his mistress, which he actually directed.

The above are Trump‘s own words. We don’t even have to go to conflicting stories, such as Comey’s story of his firing vs. Trump’s. The above are felonies. Not even mentioned here are numerous lies to the People that are impeachable offenses by themselves.

Why doesn’t someone privately sit down with a Republican leader and tell them the jig is up? (Though, I believe that they have to air their dirty laundry in everyone’s faces for the Deplorables to see.)

Drip, drip, drip.....

Trump will never be convicted of anything. He can pay off prostitutes, lie, cheat and collude. Any investigation will eventually conclude there just isn’t enough evidence.

Trump will then declare his innocence and his loyal followers will eat it up.

I think he can read. He read the State of the Union address, with great difficulty. I don’t think it’s his eyes. He may be dyslexic, but stupid people can be dyslexic, too. He’s just stupid.

I have never heard him express a complex thought. For example: Why are we in Yemen? Not platitudes, or slogans. A 15+ minute explanation of everything major involved (that can be explained in 15+ minutes). Or the Wall, or Tariffs, or whatever he’s fond of at the moment. He’s never done it. Because he’s too stupid to do so.

So, he can read, but not easily

Trump inauguration spending now under investigation, per WSJ.

Link to new WSJ story via Phil Rucker.

So much corruption.

R159

The news shows played the Trump lie about the mistress payout at least 50 fucking times just this week alone.

The Lester Holt interview- Played to death Same with the Russians in the Oval Office.

The truth is, it’s hard to keep up with this motherfucker with all of his lies, and deflections. Not to worry. All of these stories are in Mueller’s report, and will be used against Trump.

Pelosi will be the one to have a sit-down with Republicans, and advise the jig is up, once the shit really starts hitting the fan in January.

A blockbuster waiting to drop: Remember the "unknown caller" in Don, Jr's phone log that he was asked about in the Senate Hearing? He claimed he didn't remember. Trump always calls from a blocked number. The Dems wanted to subpoena the phone records but the Repugs refused to let them.

They believe there's evidence that not only did Trump know about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower, but that he was "present" while on speaker phone.

[quote]Trump inauguration spending now under investigation, per WSJ.

Remember, if he accused Hillary of it, he did it himself.

Shortly after the Russians were invited into the White House, Trump went on an extended vacation while the Oval Office was upgraded.

I read here that the room was gutted to replace everything that the Russians might have bugged. Anyone hear of this? It wouldn’t surprise me, though Trump could do that by himself. Though he is incredibly inept, so maybe not.

[quote]Trump went on an extended vacation

How could you tell?

R164, I was just coming here to share that. Is there any fucking thing he's done that's NOT illegal?

Too much illegal and treasonous activity to keep up

Official thread bump.

This will fit right in here.

Not Illegal? He lit a Christmas tree once.

Now It looks like all the Trump Kids and Trumpie are headed to the jailhouse, but I've wondering what about Blonde Melania? Then today we hear about Inaguration money -- did she get some of that? I do want her to be punished!

The New York Times broke a story about a "grand bargain" involving the players documented in r174. In addition to the Russia probe, there is another complex counterintelligence-turned-criminal probe that coalesces into the Mueller investigation.

Seth Abramson has a robust theory of the case (at the link), and he's recently been vindicated by the ongoing reveal that Trump's business motivations helped induce him to take a position on dropping Russian sanctions.

Her gravy train ride is coming to an end, R175. A broken busted Trump empire is not something a gold digger like her sticks around for. She'll go back to Slovenia and marry some oligarch who wants a trophy.

I need Maddow to provide an updated chart so I can better understand all the sleazy over lapping.

R156 Lawrence Tribe

R179 bad link.

"Anyone who conspires to commit campaign crimes in order to help win the presidency cannot later claim the benefit of a shield from criminal prosecution obviously designed only for presidents who won legitimately. Any other DOJ rule or policy would cut the heart out of democracy."

Lawrence Tribe

tRump considering Kushner for Chief of Staff. What could possibly go wrong there...

But Jeremy is so busy solving the Opiods crisis

I think Hannity's biz with Cohen is real estate related.

But isn't Hannity part of the HUD scam.

Wasn't that Kellyanne's job, r182?

CNN is reporting many various bomb threats being called in targeting public venues, schools, etc. I can't help but wonder if this was done by someone in the Trump cabal to foment fear among US citizens. Trump made the threat that, if he's impeached, the "people" would revolt.

That was my thought, too. On the other hand, the situation was handled fairly calmly and completely with the MAGA bomber.

I've posted it before, Cohen used to own apt buildings where he filed false paper work to get rid of rent regulated tenants, so he could get more rent from market rate tenants. He has since sold the apt buildings. Scum Jared and his bro did the same but was only fined.

He should go away longer than 3 years. I hate him. And he's talking as if he's some innocent lamb being led astray by orange turd. He's a fucking piece of shit. I won't shed a tear if anything bad happens to him

Has anyone read Seth Abramson's 'Proof of Collusion' yet?

A gem from Ronan that he says now has new significance in light of the AMI/Enquirer non-prosecution agreement.

[quote]Late in 2015, a former Trump Tower doorman named Dino Sajudin met with a reporter from American Media, Inc., the publisher of the National Enquirer, at a McDonald’s in Pennsylvania. A few weeks earlier, Sajudin had signed a contract with A.M.I., agreeing to become a source and to accept thirty thousand dollars for exclusive rights to information he had been told: that Donald Trump, who had launched his Presidential campaign five months earlier, may have fathered a child with a former employee in the late nineteen-eighties. Sajudin declined to comment for this story. However, six current and former A.M.I. employees, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they feared legal retaliation by the company, said that Sajudin had told A.M.I. the names of the alleged mistress and child. Reporters at A.M.I. had spent weeks investigating the allegations, and Sajudin had passed a lie-detector test, during which he testified that high-level Trump employees, including Trump’s head of security, Matthew Calamari, had told him the story.

R175 "Not Illegal? He lit a Christmas tree once."

Don't speak too soon, I bet he violated some building codes when he did it.

Why does Anderson have that jackass Miss Frothy Mix Santorum on. Santorum hates gays. Why have him on?

I am sure that Christmas Tree has his own #metoo story to tell.

I've mentioned this in a few threads, but in light of what we learned this week, it bears repeating. Way back and the beginning of all of this (how has it only been two years), I read an article that talked about Trump's relationship with AMI. The Enquirer targets what it features based on polling of its readership, and they keep a very up-to-date snapshot about what those people are interested in. So, when he first took office, they were overrun with stories about what a great job he was doing and how Hillary was going down any day now. That slowly dried up. Essentially, the covers are a barometer of Trump's base. If A) the cheerleading isn't selling papers and B) AMI is willing to break with him, he's probably reaching his expiration date.

Balls, r193......

Pence looked tired, worn-out, and sleepy. No more weekday nights out visiting Lindsey for you, Mikey.

So true, R179, and what makes me so angry about it is the fact we all know that it WOULDN'T have protected Obama, Hillary or even Bill Clinton from prosecution. Either of them would have been removed and indicted long before now, presidency or no presidency. The things that Republicans are allowed to get away with in this country never ceases to astound me.

So Michael Cohen is doing an exclusive interview with George Stephanopoulos on tomorrow's GMA. I wonder if it will be an actual on-camera interview or one of those "photographs only" interviews they did the last time?

IOKIYAR r197, come on, you must know that by now!

Yeah it sucks.

It always confuses me WHY the public still allows the Republican Party to even exist? For decades they have proven themselves to be corrupt, hypocrites working for the 1% and telling the general population that they are not worthy of good things (like affordable healthcare) and that tax cuts for the rich are great for everybody.

CNN has paid Republican talking heads for every panel. They love those debates, even if it is just two arguing past each other; often with an anchor that fails to keep the dialogue focused. That is why I watch CNN much less now.

MSNBC, though it has its own annoying moments, provides better content in not trying to be overly infotainment.

I like CNN for international news, but they render less and less of it as long as the fixation with Trump is front and center 24/7.

Frothy was up for Chief of Staff but he said no.

is it Nader or Sater who is the convicted pedo who Mueller gave total immunity to?

There are so many scumbags, it's hard to keep them all straight. I may have to make myself a set of trading cards so I can see what scumsucker sucked what scum.

Who is Frothy r202?

^ Rick Santorum

Santorum, r204

You know, you could throw a rock at a group of Trump associates and not hit someone innocent. It's like, impossible. As in a law of physics or science.

r195, dang! You're right.

Jeffrey Toobin read frothy to FILTH on Anderson tonight. Called him out for the fucking hypocrite he ie wheh it comes to morality and defending Trump for banging a porn star while he was married.

The religious right should be laughed and booed out of every event there is. Accusing others of "selling their souls to the Devil?". That's what they are guilty of!

Santorum is getting big paychecks from CNN. Like others, he knows being WH CoS under Trump is a no-win situation. More things will go wrong than right.

“Jeffrey Toobin read frothy to FILTH on Anderson tonight. Called him out for the fucking hypocrite he ie wheh it comes to morality and defending Trump for banging a porn star while he was married.”

That was a beautiful thing, wasn’t it. Frothy looked like a deer caught in headlights.

Chris Matthews spoke tonight as if Trump is running again in 2020 and thus assured to be the GOP nominee. With George Will and another guest, they were discussing potential Democratic candidates who may have the best chance to defeat Trump.

It gets confusing as to what is the message. Trump is engulfed in multiple scandals including allegations of conspiring with Russians to swing an election. There's talk of indictments and possible impeachment concerning crimes coming more and more into focus each day.

What are these networks doing? Trump running again is suppose to be a sure thing? They don't want the Trump drama to end.

So, the assumption is Trump escapes indictments, conviction, inpeachment, and will be on his way in 2020 for another four years. Trump, at this point, does not even have a potential Republican challenger for the nomination, is disturbing at so many levels.

Relax, R213, it's Chris Matthews. His show is usually just blather.

Is this Cohen's son that people were talking about? He ain't all that. Nice youthful glow now, but he will get Daddy Cohen's sad dog face in due time.

[quote]but he will get Daddy Cohen's sad dog face in due time.

Jared is said to be lobbying Trump to be his Chief of Staff. Seriously.

Sure, but in the meantime he's cute. Anyone have a link to what Ryan Tripp looks like now?

Let me try that again.

[quote] Chris Matthews spoke tonight as if Trump is running again in 2020 and thus assured to be the GOP nominee. With George Will and another guest, they were discussing potential Democratic candidates who may have the best chance to defeat Trump.

They just haven't arrived at the "tipping point" yet. When they do, that is when you know that the end is nigh. The talking heads and the members of the news media (Faux News excluded) are hesitant to get out ahead of a potential blockbuster story like this. They don't want to be the news, they want to report the news.

To those of us who have been closely following this nightmare for the last three years we can see how the pieces of the puzzle fit together -- and the missing pieces won't make it any better for tRump (and likely will make it a lot worse). The media is going to wait until many more pieces are filled in before they start intimating that Dotard's days as pResident are numbered and will be soon over. But this cascade of news about indictments, guilty pleas, and mounting investigations -- before the Dems take over the House -- is going to become an avalanche that will soon overtake his maladministration and bury it.

We're willing to say that -- the media, not yet.

wow, maybe we will get to see Trump's bastard soon!

[quote]President Donald Trump sent off a barrage of tweets attacking his former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen on Thursday morning. In the process, he may have waived attorney-client privilege.

[quote]“I never directed Michael Cohen to break the law,” Trump wrote. “He was a lawyer and he is supposed to know the law. It is called ‘advice of counsel,’ and a lawyer has great liability if a mistake is made. That is why they get paid.”

[quote]American Civil Liberties Union attorney Joshua Block pointed out the potential issue with Trump’s defense here.

[quote]“Asserting an ‘advice of counsel’ defense generally constitutes a waiver of attorney client privilege, Block tweeted. “Maybe the materials withheld by the special master Barbara Jones will eventually be turned over to SDNY after all.”

more at link

So now the repugs are going around ( saw Rand say this) that, oh so what, laws were broken but they are stupid laws. We don't like these laws, anyway.

UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE but yet it isn't. It is the criminal enterprise known as the G....O.......P.

Well, next time I get a speeding ticket, I'll tell the cop that yes, I broke the law, but that particular law is stupid.

That head possum has been snacking on Rand's brain again.

Rand's neighbor needs to beat the shit out of him again.

Iconic moment. When the debate about whether it was proper to shutdown government for political leverage or not raged...one slept in silence

Isn’t this shit show almost over? Republicans are going down with Trump over his stupid border wall. The deficit is too high and is going to kill the economy. There are no more tax cuts to gone to the wealthy. He’s out before the end of next year.

Save your cash

Rand Paul. says it's okay to disregard laws we deem as "stupid"? So that just goes for the GOP and no one else ..HMMM

Oh, and Cheatolini said that Cohen plead guilty just to embarrass him! So he thinks someone would risk conviction, loss of license and career, as well as jail time, just to hurt him.

[quote]Cheatolini said that Cohen plead guilty just to embarrass him!

Amazed that Trump even concedes the concept of embarrassment. His entire life has been an exemplification of that state, visible from outer space.

Anyway, useful he's now acquainted with embarrassment: he'll soon epitomise the word like no-one in history.

Rudy Giuliani and his foreign endeavors while representing DJT.

Well it's interesting that the Inauguration investigation is being handled out of the eEw York office of the FBI and not through the Special Prosecutor. They are coming at him from so many directions it's going to be hard for him to dodge criminal charges. His days of paying someone off or of settling a case are over. He's looking at jail time. And honestly if those fuckers had done their job 5 yrs ago, he'd be in prison already, and never have run for POTUS.

RUdy's a crook. The rumor is that he busted Gotti and the Italians and, "Oh, look, is that the Russian Mob I see taking over in NY?"

Last night on Brian Williams 11th hour, Neal Katyal explained that, yes, DOJ has provided guidance, via memo, that a sitting President cannot be indicted. However, the guidance goes on to state that when a President is criminal, the Congress should do its job and impeach and remove the President so he can then be indicted. I've never heard the second part from either Trump supporters or even pundits, for that matter. I guess DOJ assumed that Congress will do it's job when needed. I also guess the didn't foresee a useless broken Congress like we have now.

Long story short, nowhere does it say that the President is above the law., just that the mechanism for bringing him to the law is a bit different.

It’s all been a bit much recently - so hard to keep up! And so confusing!

Think we need to chill with some relaxing Trump Yoga to get us through the day... (sorry if the Oz accent is hard to decipher!)

r41, The width and depth of the criminality are surprises only to the self-righteous condescending lot who sneered at those who saw the bigger picture.

Deliberate lies about Iraqi WMDs? America-Love It or Leave It! National politicians owned by Putin? GMAB! Voting machines hacked by Russians? Puh-leeze! And so on.

Those Mideast royals just can't resist Rudy when he brings along his Rudia drag attire.

[quote]Pence owed somebody.

He’s gay from space.

Was Pence praying to his Lord and Jesus, in OP's photo?

R180 I love this quote from Laurence Tribe to much I have to post it again:

[quote]Anyone who conspires to commit campaign crimes in order to help win the presidency cannot later claim the benefit of a shield from criminal prosecution obviously designed only for presidents who won legitimately.”

It’s like...wanna commit crimes & totally get away with them? Then become potus!

Tribe is correct, of course. You can't cheat your way into office and then turn around and claim protection from prosecution by virtue of the office that you stole.

I just can't get over the fact that all this came about because Donald can't take a joke.

I wonder what else is going to come out in this pre-holiday Friday news dump...? The senate has supposedly come out with a statement that they believe the Saudi prince is responsible for Kashoggi's murder. Will they turn on their orange god?

Very funny indeed, Miss Reply Two Thirty Seven!!!!

I wish the media would focus more on the fact that he knowingly committed crimes to steal a presidential election, then he knowingly committed crimes as President to make more money. He of all people should be in jail.

I remember post 2016 election where other posters (aka trolls) called others conspiracy nutjobs for believing that the election in 2016 was hacked and Trump's presidency is illegitimate.

Who are the nutjobs now?

[quote]You can't cheat your way into office and then turn around and claim protection from prosecution by virtue of the office that you stole.

Clearly, you can, because that's just what Trump is and will be doing. Whether or not the Supreme Court will afford him that protection is an open question.

Unprecedented situations like Trump should give the Constitution the opportunity to fix loopholes and prevent future Trumps from happening. That's why the Constitution is supposed to be a living document, to adapt.

30-year criminal business.

Criminal campaign.

Criminal inauguration.

Criminal presidency.

Criminal fashion sense

R248, I'll be your huckleberry. I was spouting off, early on in the campaign, about how criminal he is and brought up money laundering and prostitution, human trafficking as his 'true' business. I don't believe that family ever left the criminal enterprises that brought them wealth. They merely expanded and went international.

And he’s fat, wears wigs and makeup

[quote]You can't cheat your way into office and then turn around and claim protection from prosecution by virtue of the office that you stole.

Indeed, just because you 'won' a gold medal doesn't mean you can keep it, pending detailed drug reports. A cheat is a cheat.

[quote]I just can't get over the fact that all this came about because Donald can't take a joke.

Jokes plural in public from a black man by magnitudes his superior, which Donald needed to sit and hear at length. His humorless vengeance has been typically towering, venal and vulgar.

But WHEN?? How long do we have to endure this criminal presidency while the wheels of justice slowly grind?

The last couple of weeks have been wonderful. Not that I enjoy seeing our Office of President and all concentric circles being debased, but because the indictments/news/hints now being revealed VALIDATE what we saw with our own eyes, heard with our own ears and felt in our guts. It is fair for everyone at this point to take a deep breath, relax our muscles a bit and be grateful that the truth is shining through the GOP bullshit. It will only get better with Dems in the House.

Under GWB/Rove the GOP bragged about creating their own reality and that the rest of the country would fall in line and eventually surrender to their permanent majority. It almost worked. There would be no Donald Trump and deplorables if it hadn't been for the Bush family's greed for power/legacy, and we will need to remain vigilant.

But for now I say let's enjoy! CRANK IT.

[quote]And he’s fat, wears wigs and makeup

Now Rudy Giuliani says Trump's crimes aren't "big". What.the.fuck?! This former prosecutor is intimating that it's ok for Trump to be a criminal since his crimes are not "big"?!!! This shit is ridiculous! Rudy is either completely demented, or he's a huge hypocrite who's just as corrupt as Trump. His ass should die in prison too.

Right-wing media has been calling Trump's misdeeds "process crimes," R259, and portraying them as insignificant.

I don't know if they'll be able to get away with that when his money laundering is revealed for all to see.

Giuliani's job is to ease the Deplorables into "So, he did what he is accused of after all, so what? MAGA still rules!".

The FAKE NEWS president is turning into the FAKE (NEWS) PRESIDENT. And the GOP and Giuliani work overtime to make it look like there are still legions of Deplorables supporting him with their militia power (so the rest of the US better not try anything *shaking fist*).

They aren't getting away with it now, either, R260. The courts where the potential charges will be filed are the only places where the perception of legality counts.

They're all in, like Ghouliani, because they have no choice now.

r260, but the Republican Party would have called impeachment hearings on Hillary Clinton the first day for bringing non-gluten free pastries to the office. Pastry-Gate!

You know, the opinion of the Justice department that a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted is bullshit designed to protect the sitting President of the party in power at the time. IMO They CAN indict him and then it would be up to the House to impeach. IMO, the Indictment ought to come before the impeachment.

Most of these crimes occurred before he was sworn in as POTUS. If a Special Prosecutor conducts and investigation, as this one is doing, and impanels a Federal Grand Jury, and brings criminal charges against everyone around him, and then uncovers verifiable PROOF that Trump committed criminal acts to gain the Presidency, then he ought to be indicted.

These crimes were committed before he was sworn in. So he was not POTUS at the time and he ought to be subject to the laws just as anyone else is. Once he is indicted, then impeach his ass. The Pelosi House will not ignore this, and once the depth of his criminality is uncovered, the Senate will not be able to sit on their hands.

Couldn't McConnell actually be charged with a crime if he ignored the indictment? There is Precedence for that with others. When members of Congress are charged with a crime they can't be seated and they are stripped of everything. And federal judges are automatically impeached as soon as they are charge. At least that's how I understand it.

Speculation about what might have been often drives me mad, too, R263.

The most qualified candidate for the office of POTUS would have been hobbled by this shit. I hope the Dems do the same, and keep putting out bills for infrastructure, middle class tax relief, healthcare, etc. to show the deplorables who is really on their side as the Repukes shut that shit down in the Senate.

Our candidate in 2020 needs to focus on those unkept promises and run the lies over and over again in key states. Hit the pavement with positivity and unity and speak to truth.

R237 funny. Add the pee pee girls demonstration & it would have been more hilarious.

All this "a president cannot be impeached" is more about etiquette procedure than actual law. It's just bad optics to get rid of a sitting president and makes the country look weak and easy prey. That's why the CIA likes to do it to other countries so much.

We have waited and waited, having to put up with all of Trumps bullshit and now we have to wait till January, for tube big reveals to take place. I wish we could just get on with it...so that the orange turd face knows that he has to resign.

He's not even a fucking legitimate president! His crimes stole the office of president, and sold this country to a foreign power! He's a fucking traitor, as are all the GOP fuckers who jumped on Putin's gravy train along with him!

I hope the democratic congress are not too chickenshit to vote to impeach this lowlife criminal, who is in our White House. I am sick to death of news readers saying we CAN'T IMPEACH a criminal.

At this point, the optics are irrelevant. In fact, it's worse optics to let him remain untouched.

I hope they do it if for nothing else but to send the message that this behavior is not normal and will not be tolerated. His administration has no etiquette and deserves none. Suspend it and impeach.

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

How do you catch a wave and pin it down?

How do you solve a problem like Maria?

How can you hold a moonbeam in your hands?

The television at work was turned onto Faux news last night, and the soulless bastards were whining that the 'liberal' media was going to concentrate on the story of the death of a migrant child from dehydration at a detention center rather than poor, poor Diaper Don, who ican't help that he's a criminal, and that misappropriation of funds to pay off whores wasn't really a 'big' crime, and all those evil democrats (including Hillary and Obama, of course) are just being so mean, and hanging up on his fat orange ass, etc., etc....ad nauseam.

What an awful, spineless man, hat Pence is.

Pence is a slimy Grey, slug.

He's a spineless weasel, yes, and clever as hell. He'll be able to point to that moment and say how he didn't contribute to the fuckery.

You read what Pence’s fucking own brother said about him? Bubbles lololol. So he’s a former fatty who always wanted power. When your own brother publicly says you’re full of shit, you’re a true asshole. Not that we weren’t already aware....

Pence’s wife didn’t want him to accept the offer to run for Vice President and join Trump’s team. Pence has wanted to be the President of the USA since he was a little boy. I’m sure things aren’t always smooth sailing at the Pence household.

Wasn't Pence a key member of the Trump Transition Team?

I don't for one minute believe that he didn't know anything of the Russian shit.

The Man From Glad is not an innocent as he wants everyone to believe.

Nothing's going to please me more when Trump Tower and the News Corp building are inevitably seized.

[quote]Wasn't Pence a key member of the Trump Transition Team?

He [italic]headed[/italic] the transition team.

R281 - he was the HEAD and he knew NOTHING about the Russian connections. Oh my sides.

I always love that the Republican supporters are fine with these conservative assholes trying to weasel their way out by "I do not recall! / I didn't know what my underlings did in my name! / I never said that! / Me? Oh, I am just a bumbling fool who doesn't know that what I did was illegal, I pinkie swear! / I am totally innocent, a wizard did it ... a dog ate my homework! / But ... but her emails! That's much, much worse! / etc.". Cowards.

[quote]Now Rudy Giuliani says Trump's crimes aren't "big".

Hilarious, because Trump wants everything about him to be Big. He'll hate being placed as a small-time crook. And yet he can't claim the status of a Big Time Crook, the biggest there's ever been. Because there was 'No Collusion!' It'll be left to Mueller to confer that status on him.

[quote]All this "a president cannot be impeached" is more about etiquette procedure than actual law.

If anyone deserves to have etiquette set aside it's this insolent 'Who says I can't?' pseudo-President. If he was so very keen to break the mould of custom, said custom can likewise be amended to deal with his turpitude.

Whoa...hearing today in DC for the "Sealed Grand Jury Matter" that was filed in October.

The whole floor was cleared so press couldn't even see who the lawyers are.

Speculation: Pence, or the multi-national "Grand Bargain." Whatever or whoever it is, it is huge.

We know. We've been discussing it over here. Join us.

Was this news item about today's DC Circuit fight for Trump's tax records mentioned upthread?

Thank you, R286. I broke for lunch and only searched this thread for a post.

[bold]Vox: Manafort advised White House on how to discredit Mueller investigation[/bold]

Think about this. Everything they a re discovering in terms of Trump's criminality occurred BEFORE he became President. Now I'm sure the obstruction, the lying, the emoluments clause violations and double dealing,, the ongoing treasonous conduct with regard to Russia, China,, the Saudis, and anyone else who can make him rich, is certainly criminal, but the stuff they are going for at this time, happened before he was sworn in.

IMO that tells me that maybe they DO plan on indicting him. God I hope I'm right. Because as I said up thread, the feds and the state of NY knew about him for years. He wasn't invisible. They ought to be fried for this. Yes, Cyrus Vance, Jr., I'm talking to you. And we ought to seize u single asset that Trump AND his Russian oligarch buddies have in the United States including business interest. Yes,Devin Nunes, I'm talking about you and your vineyards.

Trump is worse that Madoff.

They cleared the whole floor? WTF?

Trump plans to be at Maralago from Dec 21st to Jan 6th.

So we could take over the Capitol and lock the dottering fool out!

Now if I was shooting this movie I'd have some enterprising reporters outside in a van recording everything from a distance.

So he leaves the White House with no chief of staff. Oh, wait. Asshole Kelly is going to stay until January 2nd.

On scale, where does a blow job fall in all of this?

Oh, and asking for a friend.

How about "mishandling" your emails?

Uh, asking for a different friend.

If turtle refuses to bring matters to the Senate floor that involve impeachment, can he also be charged with obstruction of justice?

Because he should be.

You know, what most people conveniently overlook about Hillary's e mails is, first none of them were classified, and she was the recipient in most cases not the sender. If a few of them were re classified as Secret retroactively, that had nothing to do with her.

Secondly, Hillary is being fried for using her own private server instead of the State Department's. But she was the wife of the Former POTUS. He had security clearances and was still getting security briefings, and the private server and the cyber-security these two could afford and have access to, was state of the art, and much more secure and up to date than anything you or I have access to, and certainly more than the U.S. State Department's system. Which was hacked, by the way. Hillary's private server was never hacked.

[quote] If turtle refuses to bring matters to the Senate floor that involve impeachment, can he also be charged with obstruction of justice?

I am not usually a bigot going against minorities, but since spineless whimps are not a protected class he should be fired just for being that.

So true R299, I used to handle the State Department - I'm in IT sales and they were indeed hacked multiple times and Hillary was not. I always made that point to any right wing colleague who were salivating over her fucking e-mails.

R299 yes. IIR they were mis-marked when she received them. Three documents had no "Classified" properly stamped on the top, however they had (c) in the text marking certain sentences classified, for example: "This sentence is sensitive. (c)"

The documents were later properly stamped with "Classified" at the top.

Out of the hundreds of thousands of e-mails that came through Secretary Clinton, those were the only three that they could find with even a hint of impropriety.

Right wing propaganda never broke those facts down, as they would dilute their Anti-Hillary hatred.

And add me to the list of people who would like my server to be Clinton.com, for just the reasons you mention. They should have run ads on that.

Wouldn't be ironic that if the only safe haven trump can find (if he escapes prison) might be in Islamic Saudi Arabia? Muslims, Muslims, everywhere!

Funny, you never hear him talk about Muslims anymore. It's all about Mexicans and Central Americans, people who only want jobs and who have never bombed bombed or attacked us.

If Trump would be arrested and indicted if he killed Melania, then he can be arrested and indicted for the other crimes, too. It's not like the oft-mentioned "policy" of not indicting a president mentions degrees of criminality. Anyone who argues that he cannot be indicted for all the crimes so far would also have to agree that he could not be indicted if he threw Melania off the balcony in front of the cameras during a press conference. It's not legal or logical.

And, no, I don't think they would just let the murderer walk around the White House or fly wherever he wants while Congress tries to quickly run an emergency impeachment and trial. A trial where, literally, being one senator short of a 2/3 majority would let him off scot-free for public murder.

R303 the Mexicans aren’t helping Dotard launder money or bribing him.

R289 is a huge blockbuster of a story!

Last day of this session of the House, right? Except for next week's continuing resolution?

this is me PRESENT and HERE for any breaking stories today. Hope we get something GOOD

Good question. All I know is that we're at 20 days until Jan. 3.

Tick tock mother fucker. Who exactly was it, from the IC, 18 months ago said “Trump will die in prison?” I knew in my bones that he was right. You can feel this, the power of our institutions, it is breathtaking. The sound in WotW of the alien machine revving up before they start firing — that’s what it feels like, only we are the good guys.

Ms Rubin doesn't tell us anything new but does a good job bringing everyone (who hasn't been following DL) up to speed on Trump's no good, very bad, terrible week that just got worse.

And may get worse still, depending on what happened this morning in the DC Circuit Court regarding the Sealed Grand Jury Matter first filed in October...

"Witness battling a subpoena"

I must say, Jennifer Rubin has been AWESOME this last year but I file her under the category of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." And I do give her props for having the empathy to be disgusted by the Trump cabal.

At the same time we need to be be prepared for when she goes back to being a Republican hack.

Re r312–

Obviously, it’s someone with very recognizable lawyers. Trump or Pence would be my guess. Maybe Jared or Don Jr.?

I think a Democratic President could win in 2020 just because most people want to see Trump taken out of the WH in chains.

To me the biggest villain in all of this is Faux News and the Murdochs. I’d love to chip in and get Jerry Hall to fuck RM to death.

Robert Mueller documents dispute that Michael Flynn was tricked by FBI:

of course Flynn is lying that he was tricked. That piece of shit is so arrogant he still thinks he can pull one over on everyone. Send his ass to jail.

I hope the US Military Courts discipline him too

Fox & Friends with Diamond & Silk.

Will Steve Doocy be the new WH Chief of Staff? Or, a bigger surprise:. Diamond & Silk as WH Co-Chiefs of Staff?

Pelosi got the best of Trump, and pro-Trump propagandists are not happy.

I really hope the judge gives Flynn some time just because of that "I was tricked" bullshit. So obvious that he threw that in there, naming the precise FBI guys who've been attacked by Trump, just to prime the pump for a renewed career giving paid speeches to wingnuts and lobbying for foreign despots. He did what he had to do to get out from under, but obviously hasn't the slightest remorse and is going to go right back to the treason biz.

CNN Legal Analyst Paul Callan Says Trump May Already Have Been Indicted Under Seal

I bet the secret hearing had something to do with Jared or Donnie Jr.

The Weekly Standard magazine was closed by its owners today.

Manafraud advised White House on how to attack and discredit investigation of President Trump

Bill Krystol is frequently on CNN and sometimes is on MSNBC. He sounds much more moderate now, a big change from a few years ago. He disdains Trump. Krystol was a big neocon globalist. The GW Bush period was what he embraced the most.

I also see that Kristol has mellowed out.

Once in a while I catch him getting his ass up supporting some ridiculous conservative-speak, and that’s when I want to put my fist through the TV screen and slap his flabby tits.

How could Manafort not be Putty operative?

Recall his own daughter was outspoken and critical of his shady endeavors; and this was before Mueller's team brought him in for interviews.

How nice that Bill Kristol has mellowed out after, you know, being one of the loudest cheerleaders for the Iraq War helping us murder hundreds of thousands of people.

Also, Sarah Palin.

Billy Kristol gave us Sarah Palin - he met her on a "luxury cruise" to Alaska.

Next stop: Vice Presidential nomination, with a detour to see Russia from her house (not)

It all ended badly for everyone concerned - McCain, Kristol, Tood, Track, Trigg, Baby Momma Bristol and one of her exes, Levi, Dakota Meyer and on and on and on

At least Orin Hatch has walked back his earlier comments. This could be significant.

So, what's the problem with The Weekly Standard and Bill Kristol? Is Trump not extreme enough? Is Trump aligned with the wrong forces (Putin)? Are Trump and his shenanigans not sophisticated enough?

Trump just tweeted out that Mick Mulvaney has been named Chief of Staff.

Shiny object alert!

Who gives a shit about Mulvaney? Fuck him. There are more important things to focus on.

I am surprised Trump didn't milk this and turn the announcement, who becomes next Chief of Staff, into a special TV event. You know, huge ratings and a distraction from something else.

Is he so short staffed that he couldn't pull that off? *snicker*

Sad that Piers Morgan didn’t get the job. I really wanted to see him go down with the ship. What a wanker.

*acting chief of staff

Does this mean Mulvaney is now head of two agencies and chief of staff to the president?

[quote]event. You know, huge ratings and a distraction from something else.

Yes, huge ratings.

Bill Kristol sounds moderate now but don't forget he is a war criminal. They fucking blew up the middle east. Lets not forget.

Miz Lindz admits Trump lies. But brushes off scandals. And Lindz is to head the Senate Judiciary Committee.

[quote] Bill Kristol sounds moderate now but don't forget he is a war criminal. They fucking blew up the middle east. Lets not forget.

That's the terrible part. Trump makes GWB jr, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, etc. look borderline tolerable. Makes a Jeb Bush presidency possible again further down the road.

I am so sick of this well, fiddle-dee-dee attitude from Republicans.

Junior R322 is the first one that came to my mind but if it's Jared that's quite alright.

Chris Christie turned down today the WH Chief of Staff job.

Christie said in an interview that Trump bringing family members into WH/government jobs was a huge mistske.

Christie certainly views Jared and Ivanka as big problems.

Washington Post....

Trump names budget director Mick Mulvaney as acting White House chief of staff

It is amazing how so many repugs, and some in charge of the judiciary, think crimes are no biggie when actions in other areas that are their priorities get done.

That is a place I never thought the insane, extreme repugs would ever go. Ever.

We are in the last days of a democracy when an entire party rolls over to get their way. Vile POS.

I love the name "Manafraud" from upthread.

So the MI Gov just slashed the MW hike and paid sick leave voted on by the people. These are truly sick, psychopaths. I swear the entire repug party is sociopaths.

For ANY of you who may be Christians these people are as far from JESUS as you can possible get. You don't want abortion but are A-OK with this shit? You are a sociopath as well, then.

Christie’s a smart rat who doesn’t intend to go down with Ship Trump.

Beware the troll at R340. He defends people voting for Trump.

In the Colby Keller thread, he says:

[Quote] Great guy. People make too big of a deal of him and his vote for Trump which he did to bring the whole corrupt system down (including capitalist Trump himself).

Voting for Trump is what caused this mess and R340 (and author of MANY other posts here) supports those who voted for Trump.

Dissension Troll.

George Conway, Kellyanne's husband, isn't holding back anymore.

R343 What's left unsaid is that Jared and Ivanka are problems because Trump is the root of all corruptions in this administration. This is a common problem with GOP operatives, faulting people around Trump while still protecting/normalizing Trump himself.

Cohen "insider" Emily Jane Fox revealed today that Trump's 3 oldest kids were all heavily involved in the planning of the inauguration...that could spell trouble for them since they likely were involved in directing where the unused money went...

I like Emily Jane Fox.

Is it possible Ivanka pumped inauguration funds into her flailing fashion business? I want that bitch destroyed.

Jared and Ivanka are now provably caught up in both the AMI thing and the inauguration scandal.

and again all this about the inauguration is known thanks to the raid on Cohen's office.

According to Hardball just now, looks like there will be both a new primary and then a new election in South Carolina for that district 9 House seat. Yes! We have a REAL chance to take this seat now.

I only hope that cheating thief Mark Harris doesn't even get to run in the primary this time around.

North Carolina

The only general Harris will be in is Gen Pop.

yes r358, thanks, I goofed.

I wish Flynn would get at least 5 years, he deserves that.

Yes Kristol seems more moderate, and I have found myself agreeing with him a few times. But I will never forget that it was Kristol who wrote the infamous Iran Letter signed by 47 Republican Senator in order to undermine President Obama's negotiations with Iran prior to developing the nuclear agreement with them that Trump ripped up. Kristol is all over the place and while he obviously has contempt for Trump, he is not a friend of Independent Progressives or Democrats and he never will be. I thought his behavior towards Obama bordered on Treason and it was definitely disrespectful.

The Trump's will be gathering at Mar-a-Lago for the holidays.

Kimberly Guilfoyle appears excited to be going there with Junior Mint.

Yeah, I really disagree that Kristol is more moderate. For now, he hates this particular Republican president. He sees the danger Trump poses, with his ties to the alt-right, and he hates that shit. But he has the same basic views he's always had: Israel is always right. War is pretty much always the answer in foreign policy. The rich are awesome and deserve more money pretty much as a given The poor are whiny losers with their hands out. Blacks, and gays, and every minority group (except Jews) should just get over bigotry, including current bigotry. Etc. etc. etc. Let's never mistake a very temporary alliance for any kind of change of heart.

R363 Must be love... rare to see a rat so enthusiastic to jump on a sinking ship.

Can you imagine sitting around the table with that family this Christmas? What do you think they’ll be talking about this year?

R366 Other than money and power... bitching about their detractors. A table of sociopaths! Merry Xmas!

‘I hear the federal facilities are the nicest, with carpeted floors, good commissaries and vending machines.’

Kimberly Guillfoyle puts me in mind of Monica Colby of The Colbys. Only if Monica was a skank.

Texas district court judge strikes form ACA. Developing....

Strikes *down

Background. New Missouri senator Josh Hawley is one of the state attorneys general who sued to kill the ACA.

This is awful. An appeal could take years.

If they go to the minimum security prison in Pensacola at least Melania can come visit them from her perch at Mar a Lago.

I think the person fighting the subpoena is pence.

As soon as I heard that the floor was cleared and the doors locked, I said, "Who is big enough to warrant this? Who was leading the transition and knew all of this shit? Who are they trying to protect? Pence. "

If it were fat Donnie, you KNOW that stupid fucker couldn't keep his pie hole shut this long. No way.

And those dumb brats aren't that important. Chinless Jr is hiding in Canada anyway so it can't be him.

I hate Kristol.

DIdn't Judge Roberts opine that the mandate IS constitutional?

YES:

"The Supreme Court, in an opinion written by Chief Justice John Roberts, upheld by a vote of 5 to 4 the individual mandate to buy health insurance as a constitutional exercise of Congress's taxing power."

How is this Texas Judge's opinion supposed to outweigh the Supreme court in this matter?

I think they will give Pence the chance to resign. This administration needs to be gone, as soon as possible.

I know this is completely inconsequential compared to the ongoing F16 shit tornado, but...

are Ivanka's tits real?? The news has had all this footage of her in far-too-tight outfits showing off the boobies.

(in related news, yep, still gay.)

R377, Congress made some changes to the law since the Supreme Court decision, and the Texas judge seized on that as a reason for striking down the whole law. Still, this decision is likely to be reversed on appeal.

Trump is making excuses for Flynn, saying Flynn was tricked into lying to the FBI. President Dullard forgets that HE FIRED FLYNN FOR LYING TO THE VP. At least, that was his reason at the time. Trump is so fucked up, constantly lying and contracting himself, he’s not worth listening to.

[quote]Kimberly Guilfoyle appears excited to be going there with Junior Mint.

Kimfoyle can’t wait to fill her capacious abdomen with more rotting pig and alligator!

New Trumpcast just published tonight. Not on the page yet, but available through the podcast feed (your podcast app).

Something is up with Pence. If Trump can throw him under the bus to deflect from himself, he will.

Another problem with putting off prosecution is that the witnesses are mostly older or old men. They need to testify in a timely manner, preferably before they die. Wait too long, and we can lose the witnesses.

I think Pence is chickenshit. He would not fight anything. He hired a lawyer early on, and I suspect he has already been interviewed and is cooperating with Mueller. I think a lot of people are so convinced Trump is on his way out, they are doing what they can to preserve Pence's viability.

If Pence did anything wrong it was very minor compared to what others did. On the Transition team, Pence was the outsider. Trump was interviewing cabinet nominees personally. And Pence was smart enough to know where the "power cells" were. Jared and Ivanka, Flynn and Bannon were ascendant back then. That's who Trump listened to.

Maybe Preibus had some gossip for Pence, and Kelly Anne was close to Pence and she'd keep him informed about stuff, but I don't think he did much more than rubber stamp and accommodate Jared and the others. No way he was going to risk anything.

He was probably a snitch for the Senate. Pence kept McConnell informed...but then so did a lot of others. McConnell had a lot of sources for information.

R377, the reasoning, such as it is, for the judge in Texas to rule Obamacare unconstitutional is that since the tax penalty for the mandate was moved to $0 by the Repug fuckers in Congress and head fucker Trump, the previous court ruling that it was constitutionally legitimate under Congress' taxing powers no longer applies. Basically, without the mandate having any tax consequences, it is no longer under the decision of the Supreme Court's ruling. This stupid judges problem is that the mandate for all practical purposes no longer exists and there is nothing to be found unconstitutional in the rest of the law. Basically, without the mandate and its tax penalties, the only thing Obamacare does is provide a marketplace to purchase insurance, regulate insurance companies, and provides governmental subsidies for poor people. All things that Congress is well within it's purview to enact.

Such a good episode. Seth Abramson is on it and lays it out.

well I guess it's back to the Court again. It will be interesting to see what happens. I suspect they will uphold the Act again. The idea of everything going back to Insurance Companies doing whatever the fuck they want, whenever the fuck they want is becoming less and less acceptable, even to Republicans.

And now that the Democrats own the House, they will fight like hell to restore the individual mandate and do what they can to make sure it's Constitutional and tamper proof. Right now they have 47 Senators. I think all they need is a simple majority so if they can find 4 more votes in the Senate they may just get it done.

The thing is, a lot of Trumpettes have Obamacare.

That Texas judge is a piece of shit Conservative who has gone after Obama on healthcare issues very consistently. I'm certain this will be overturned and if it isn't then We will raise enough hell to find four Republican Senators to back the Democratic Senators and the Democratic Majority in the House and get this fixed. He's a rotten motherfucker and he was appointed by Bush in 2007.

Is that judge an elected judge? I’m in New England and I don’t understand electing judges. We don’t do that here.

r393 All federal judges are appointed for life. They can only be removed by impeachment and conviction.

Okey-Dokey, TY.

He was a BUSH appointed judge in 2007. Just another reminder that Georgie Jr is a piece of shit. He's not Trump but he's still a repub piece of shit who fucked up the country

Bush should have been the end of the Republican Party for a generation. I hope we use Trump to destroy the party completely this time. Make it a regional party, only.

Any guess on indictments next week?

I can't stand Josh Hawley ugh.

R397 sadly I don't think anything will end them.

They are going to end up with Medicare for all if they insist on destroying the ACA. Let them do it. Go for it. Dems campaign on Medicare in 2020 and win in a landslide.

It'll take a decade or more to get Medicare for all set up and running nationally. I guess those of us who don't have insurance through employers and don't make enough money to pay for it on our own without subsidies can just go die in the meantime. I bet the way they'd implement it is to just start dropping the age for Medicare every year. I'm in my mid-40s. By the time it helps me I'll be 65 anyway! God I hate the fucking Repugs. They better hope I don't get some disease that's terminal because I can't afford the proper care because I'm coming for them if I do.

Fuck you, R386 for carrying the GOP's water in normalizing Pence. He is as criminal and creepy as the rest of them

[quote] Bush should have been the end of the Republican Party for a generation. I hope we use Trump to destroy the party completely this time. Make it a regional party, only.

[quote] R397 sadly I don't think anything will end them.

Nixon should have been the end of them, but all we got was a four-year reprieve with Carter, and they came roaring back, so we had to endure 12 years of Reagan and Bush. After Bill Clinton and Al Gore spent eight years fixing what the Repukes had broken, the Rethugs stole the election in 2000, so that Bu$h could ruin things all over again. Enter Obama and the Dems, who once more put it all back together, And then we get this felonious traitor who stole the election and is wrecking the country -- again. We get rid of them and they keep coming back.

I would hope that surely this must be the end of them. But, we've been down this road before. It's just never been this bad.

A little bit of happy news: "Trump is Toast."

Good, because we cannot be rid of this monster soon enough.

The power and success of the Republican Party is the ultimate proof that some people are just begging to be lied to and love nothing more than to get screwed over. That's all the Republican Party provides. Blantant lies and misery for the regular people. And they keep coming back for more. Decade after decade. Generation after generation.

Sorry, BLATANT lies

Lies that racist people believe.

Well, yeah. People get distracted with racist rethoric instead of making their lives better with jobs that pay decent salaries and provide affordable healthcare. You know, give them something good and positive for a change instead of filling their heads with hate, fear, doubts, jealousy, envy insecurity, etc.

R403 you've got me wrong. Calling Pence a chickenshit (coward) and suggesting he probably caved in to Jared and Ivanka, or Bannon and Flynn is hardly normalizing him. I was simply giving my opinion. I'd love to see Pence go down. But I just don't think he was the one they sealed off the court for yesterday.

The fact is, once Trump/Pence were elected and Pence was appointed chair of transition, (which I am betting was nominally a figurehead) Pence missed a opportunity to push back. He was the elected Vice President. He could not be fired. Pence is a vile person, Part of the religious Right. But all I am saying is I don't think he was calling any shots.

If he is guilty of anything it is of allowing certain things to happen or even enabling them. An accessory. He strikes me as that kid who was in the room when everyone was getting drunk in back of school, right there, sort of quiet, but pleasant enough, even taking a few sips, laughing at all the jokes, smiling, etc. and later you learn he's the guy that snitched on you.

I will also say that I worked for winning candidates for office at the local and the state level. The transition time is a shit show. You have people stabbing one another in the back, sabotaging one another, vicious infighting, and literally hundreds of people appealing for favors to anyone they think is close to the decision makers, all jockeying for position.

Everyone is desperate to get a job. Everyone wants to be recognized and to have or be close to power. Access is everything. It is a time to really ugly behavior. Chris Christie really thought he would walk in and assert himself and take charge, and he got blown up by Javanka. Putting Pence in his place was a signal, IMO, that the Trumps were running the show, not Chris Christie.

None of these people are worth the proverbial bucket of warm piss, not Pence or Christie or any of them. Anyone who is part of this administration ought to be in jail IMO, they are all corrupt, nasty people. How could someone so publicly religious as Pence, who promotes himself as a standard bearer for decency, allow what has been happening to families of asylum seekers on our borders?

So no, I'm not carrying Pence's water, I'm just saying that I'd be surprised if he was the one they sealed off the court for. I don't think it was him. I'd be more willing to believe it was either Trump, Jared, Ivanka or Donnie, Jr. There's also the possibility it could have been a prominent member of Congress. But as much as I'd like that to be true I doubt the court would go to so much effort for one of them, even McConnell.

There's all kinds of evil in this world. Trump's evil is aggressively in your face. Pence's evil is the evil of the weak cowardly motherfuckers who hide behind religion and rules and rectitude. Both of them are dangerous.

Wow, that was a second and very long plea for normalizing Pence.

Pence is an autistic mute, huh?

Divisive Troll.

[quote] The fact is, once Trump/Pence were elected and Pence was appointed chair of transition, [bold] (which I am betting was nominally a figurehead) [/bold] Pence missed a opportunity to push back.

r410. I don't think guys like Pence can weasel his way out of getting charged with something like "Me? I didn't do anything wrong! I'm just a figurehead who has nothing to do with the actual work that's been done around here! And I most certainly have no knowledge about any crimes that have been committed! I'm just here to look pretty!".

Create fear and suspicion, and divide people. Give them something or someone to hate. It's been working ever since civilized societies were formed. It's a way to control people, and maintain your power.

[quote] It's a way to control people, and maintain your power.

And keep them off your back and ask you uncomfortable questions.

So no, I'm not carrying Pence's water,..

Umm r410 yes you are.

Is R410 “Mother”?

oh, hell. That was not a "plea for normalizing Pence." It was my attempt to show you some respect by explaining myself, not Pence. I never said he was an innocent. Or "an autistic mute."

R412, it may be very possible he is charged with something. I did suggest in my long post, that he was possibly an enabler or an accessory after the fact, or what ever the legal term is. I think it's worth exploring. But I have my doubts.

When you look at the circle of people around Trump after the election, in that crowd he was not high in the pecking order. If, as it has been reported, Jared was pushing and insisting that Flynn get the NSA job, Pence wasn't going to stand up and push back and say no.

r416, Mother is way to busy trolling DL. She's trying to dig a tunnel out of this whole mess Trump put them in. And she's so very pissed after it turns out that all the tape measuring she did in the White House was nor nothing.

Dangit, was FOR nothing

R418, I noticed her expressions at the Bush funeral. Mother cannot hide her feelings and yes, she is pissed. I think she believes that Trump is the Devil, and on that we would probably agree.

Crazy theory: What if Manafort threw Pence under the bus on Trump's orders and Mueller leaked that to Pence somehow to get Pence to talk "off the record" to give Mueller some pointers where to dig?

Flynn ratted on Pence. The media caught Pence in a couple lies.

R421, that's very possible. The other one who is playing both sides, IMO is Kelly Anne. She reportedly is close to Pence and when the infighting was getting rough, while Priebus was CoS, they said she had an office in the VP's suite and had taken refuge there. So much has happened in such a comparatively short time, it's hard to remember what was going on back then, and all the stuff that was being reported. But that sticks out in my mind.

I still want to know, why was it so important to Javanka that the VP should be Pence?

Remember Trump did not want Pence. He wanted Christie, which Jared was against, then they started pushing the name of Pence. It was very plain Trump did not want him. They told him he would be good for the evangelical vote, but Trump wanted virtually anyone else. They worked on him hard.

Then they started leaking it would be Pence, then Pence was supposedly waiting to be asked, on the tarmac in an airplane if memory serves, then rumors were flying that Trump had thought it over and did not want him after all, but he could not back down because supposedly it was a done deal and couldn’t be changed. So Trump very reluctantly asked Pence. So reluctantly in fact, that if Pence had any self respect he would have backed out, but he doesn’t of course.

So what happened? Remember Wendy Deng and the bag of money? My guess is Putin wanted Pence. Why? Nothing outstanding about him. About to lose his election. Why would the Russian President even know who he was?

So this tells you a couple of things: one, Trump isn’t the only one that got money from Putin, Javanka got their own cut, which explains why breastfeeding mother Ivanka was so anxious to fly around the world without her child, two, the only way Putin would know who the hell Pence was, is if he was on the take too, and three, Putin wanted his own man next in line in case Trump went.

I think Trump just didn’t want some evangelical prisspot around judging all his cheating. I wonder if he knew Pence was on the take as well. Did Javanka “persuade” him or was he flat out ordered to take him by Putin? And was he so reluctant in part because he thought bought-and-paid-for Pence was there to spy on him and report back to Putin as a sort of minder?

[quote]The other one who is playing both sides, IMO is Kelly Anne.

For sure. She's the biggest leaker in the administration, and her husband's tweets are a strategic ploy the couple hopes will help ease Kellyanne back into polite Republican society once Trump is gone.

[Quote] I did suggest in my long post, that he was possibly an enabler or an accessory after the fact

Enabling but actually innocent of active evil. He just was befuddled and had no had in anything, just found out "after the fact."

Wow, this TROLL really wants Xtian Pence to be President!

Kellyanne a part of polite Washington society? Well it won't work! How can I have her over for dinner when she can't even laugh at her own commander-of-cheese faux pas let alone her embarrassing fear our microwave ovens are watching her. And the way she is soooo overly familiar with our chesterfields, kicking off her shoes and curling up as if she owned the place. No I'm going to leave it to George to gently break it to her---she is the new Sarah Palin.

And look here:

[Quote] The other one who is playing both sides, IMO is Kelly Anne. She reportedly is close to Pence and when the infighting was getting rough, while Priebus was CoS, they said she had an office in the VP's suite and had taken refuge there.

So, the Pence Troll is laying down the narrative that Pence is leading the Republican Resistance against Trump. Pence is shielding poor Kellyanne! Pence is behind the scenes trying to foil Trump's nefarious schemes!

Use Troll-dar and go through this Pence Troll's posts. He's weaving in the narrative that we should just accept "spineless" Pence because he never actively did anything evil and he's not as bad as Trump.

Beware, folks.

They are ALL guilty. Every last damn one of them. This whole bunch of criminals should be marched out of the White House (and the rest of the government buildings) in handcuffs and led away to be tried and imprisoned. There is enough despicable criminal behavior all around for these people to be locked away for years.

I would recommend blocking the Pence Troll. Her posting history really does say it all.

[quote]A little bit of happy news: "Trump is Toast."

Well you would THINK so, but this is a man who was elected president of the United States right after a tape was released in which he bragged about being a serial sexual assaulter.

So I’m not holding my breath.

The culture of corruption is so pervasive all of them need to go

so when can we expect a resignation?

Also I can't believe Jared is going for the chief of staff job. He is gonna be locked up. I hope Muller has the goods on him.

Wonder what it'll take for Ghouliani to abandon the Tre45onous Dotard's sinking Trumptanic?

Feds are probing the inauguration spending...not sure if it's been posted. but more $$ shenanigans, what a shocker!

I don't trust this crusading for justice front by George Conway.

If it turns out to be sincere, fine. But the jury will be out on this until Trump is gone and the dust from all this has settled.

I want to know if Trump will have the guts to even give a State of the Union in January.

Corrupt asshole Ryan Zinke is resigning - another crook gets thrown under the Trump bus.

The Pence Troll is still here at R432 :

[Quote] The culture of corruption is so pervasive all of them need to go

Be aware that he's trying to keep slipping his Pro-Pence narrative in here.

Use Block and Troll-dar and beware!

zinke can run but he cannot hide. He will be running for governor of cell block H and nothing else.

I cannot believe the fucker is crying all of these investigations are political. Bitch, YOUR corrupt AF party is in charge. Suck it.

Where's the Tootie gif?????????

Sen. Lindsey Graham Now Under Investigation For Campaign Finance Crimes, Ties To Russians

R441 WOW. That explains a lot!

It seems like there are finally investigating people and organizations that and who seem to be corrupt. Why is it finally happening now? The Democrats don't yet have control of the House.

R443,,,the same reason people are leaving their job in the administration and Congress.....THEY ARE ALL CORRUPT AND THEY THINK LEAVING WILL SAVE THEM.

I've been watching the very posts not normalizing Pence but making him seem completely innocent and as someone who "just happened to get caught up in the mess."

I noticed a slow drip of them in the past few threads and was wondering if anyone else did.

Those posts tell me a lot about.... mostly that someone's worried.

Do you think it's possible that Chris Christie didn't get the veep position and was removed from the transition because he was actually aware of all the corruption and not willing to get swept up in it? I wonder if he's angling to be the only semi "clean" Republican elder when this is all over.

Not sure how reliable the DC Tribune is, and according to the article, Graham is under investigation by the The Democratic Coalition. Not exactly sure what that is either.

Still, there was clearly something that turned Graham from a critic and opponent to a complete slave to Trump and his agenda. Somebody should be investigating that. And I don't think it's just fear of being outed. Are there seriously people in this country who don't know he's gay?

Pence is guilty.

Anyone, literally anyone can blackmail him, he's a) not smart; b) not wealthy, c) closeted, and d) homophobic.

There has to be proof of his sins out there and literally anyone could hold it over his head.

[quote] Still, there was clearly something that turned Graham from a critic and opponent to a complete slave to Trump and his agenda.

It's called anal sex.

[quote] Are there seriously people in this country who don't know he's gay?

Yes, it's called South Carolina.

He’s under investigation by “the democratic coalition?” Jesus fucking Christ what is wrong with this country? So the “Left” (so-called) does this info wars gaslighting bullshit too?

Oh come on, is everyone in South Carolina headless? Nobody there can see this guy pings to Jupiter?

r449, Miss Graham's Russian Butt Plug has a trans-rectal microphone.

He has a Manchurian Mangyna.

WHY is Putin such an asshole, seriously? Why does he operate in such nationalist, fascist, us vs. them modes? He must have been spitting when Gorbachev came to power; and then Bill Clinton and Obama.

It’s fucked up that fake progressive BernieBros like Assange and Greenwald defend a literal homophobic, misogynist murderer like Putin as progressive. Fuck them and fuck Manafort’s business partner and Putin apologist Tad Devine too.

I'm so used to reading "La Senatrix" and "Miss Lindsey" here that when I read R447's post, I had to think really hard to figure out who "Graham" was.

Perhaps I read too much DL.

R453 Agreed. Plus Putin's pathological hatred of Hillary Clinton made damn sure she wasn't elected.

The Russians have video of Miss Lindsay servicing teenage boys.

Trump is toast: This week really was the beginning of the end for Individual-1.

R450

Exactly. So far, nada. Blavatnick has dual US/UK citizenship (and triple allegiances, the third to Russia) but as an American citizen, assuming the $800,000K is offset by sufficient US income - and it should be: he gave $200 million to Harvard Medical School last month - it's legal. It's not nice, but the way the Republicans and the Supreme Court have jiggered the campaign finance laws, it's legal.

He's buying respectability, to be sure. He's also got a department (perhaps ironically it's the School of Government) he bought and paid for at Oxford.

R456 is a better reason (on so many levels) to assume la Lindsay is compromised.

I'm sure they know perfectly well in South Carolina that Lindsay Graham is gay. The rule in the South is that as long as you don't talk about it and you don't act on it, they don't care.

But mention it once and you're "rubbing their faces in it," you're "demanding special rights," etc.

The Troll at R450 also has other threads and posts worried that nothing will happen to Trump - over and over and over.

Concern Troll.

[Quote] He’s under investigation by “the democratic coalition?” Jesus fucking Christ what is wrong with this country? So the “Left” (so-called) does this info wars gaslighting bullshit too?

I think Jared got Christie removed from the transition job. Which was too bad for the White House. He actually had criteria and organizational charts. Everything he had touched was thrown out. Chaos has ensued at the WH since.

Christie got his revenge. He went so far this week to get Trump to offer him the job. They decided it would be announced in the morning. BUT - Christie put a statement out in the morning that he was not interested in the job! Hah.

We know he's vengeful. The bridge closing showed us that.

R453's assertion of 'fake progressive Berniebros', buried within some Putin ranting, is worth noting.

What, pray tell, are these? Is this troll indicating that Bernie's supporters are 'fake' progressives? Are the people he's talking about proven Bernie bros (Greenwald is an asshole and doesn't support anyone), and just what the fuck are those?

Love him or hate him, Bernie helped deliver one of the biggest blue wave victories in US political history....the biggest, in fact. He's putting out the fires regarding the horror of our involvement in Yemen.

Be careful who and what you're agreeing with. Trying to create divisiveness within the Democratic party, along with the concern shit to undermine confidence in having these fucks brought to justice, is another of their tactics.

Either it was Bernie bros(???) sitting home, asshole deplorables, women....whatever they can grab onto. Eventually, they'll settle on another bogieman, like PUTIN, being solely responsible. This was a conspiracy with traitors in the GOP, the NRA, and pay for play foreign players like the Saudis. If it drags in a fe

Never forget that Putin id the physical embodiment of the Soviet Union's glory days.

He is the fraudulent East German Olympic teams.

He is the atheistic glory of the Tsars.

He represents a minor world economy hellbent on its former glory.

What destroyed the Soviet Union will destroy Putin; he is not able to backup his military threats without his people suffering. He will be dragged through the streets of Moscow.

Pence has been on the take for a long time. From the Koch Bros.

[quote] He will be dragged through the streets of Moscow.

Perhaps we could get a two-for-one discount.

[quote]Since the inaugural committee was incorporated in Virginia, the state attorney general there could also have standing to investigate its operations.

Good to know since VA state AG is a Democrat.

Friday's grand jury hearing must have been interesting. They cleared the entire floor and made the journalists back way out of sight. They've never done that before. There is a lot of speculation over who showed up at that hearing. I think it would have been someone high enough up that they required secret service protection - someone important enough to clear an entire floor. Out of all the rumors I like the one say that it was Mike Pence. They're also saying that that's why he was acting like such a zombie at the WH when Chuck and Nancy were there, but that's a real stretch.

It could have been Don Jr., if junior ever managed to make it back from Canada. There's also speculation that it was a meeting over Trump's actual subpoena.

I believe the story is that someone had tried to fight a subpoena, and lost so they had asked all of that courts judges to weigh in on it. The only judge that recused was a Trump appointee.

What were Drumpf's tweets like on Friday?

That would most likely tell us if that was him or anyone in his family.

He was relatively quiet yesterday and the tweets were inconsequential during the day.

Good job on the troll busting in here. Don’t let them push their fake agendas. Keep it up!!

Here. It's Scott Dworkin who has been exposing dirt on the Trumpanistas for the past two years. Sometimes he gets a little carried away, but he is credible 75% of the time

PPPP&P:

Porn stars, playmates, and pee pee prostitutes.

All apparently Paid.

I believe that Pence was concerned that they are getting very close to his crimes and that was why he was completely preoccupied and slightly concerned during the Pelosi meeting. Cmon if you were about to be indicted or forced to testify under subpaeona your head would be in another space too.

[quote]When you look at the circle of people around Trump after the election, in that crowd he (Pence) was not high in the pecking order.

You obvious trolling Pence-licking idiot, Pence was the head of the transition. He was the center of the circle.

Pence troll is busted. How much you want to be that narrative is being pushed on Facebook

Who cares if that criminal was concerned? He made his damn bed.

473 here I am not defending Pence - I think he’s guilty af - I just think it’s plausible that his zombie creepiness at Pelosi meeting was due to the walls closing in.

it is one big criminal enterprise from top to bottom, and so is the whole Republican Party. But it's awfully hard to kill an entire political party. The Republican Party has been total shit since the Gilded Age, with a few odd exceptions like Robert LaFollette, and Dwight Eisenhower (who didn't even know he was Republican until he discovered that shortly before running for president). I don't know if we can kill this snake or just maybe cage it somehow.

I imagine Putin is blackmailing Pence, same as Trump and Jared.

Look at NJ, R478. They've been doing a pretty good job of killing the GOP.

R453 Putin is a sociopath and greedy. He also has Napoleon Complex. He also represents the contingent of Russia who were thoroughly embarrassed by the collapse of the Soviet Union and the rise of Yeltsin. In their minds, from the late 80s until he took power, Russia had lost its "prestige". He's gotten almost everything he wanted-wealth beyond his wildest dreams, authoritarian power and interference in other powerful countries. Russia's economy is shit and the elections aren't fair but most of the people don't know it. There is a growing amount who are against Putin but they're powerless except for expressing their opinions at their own peril.

He still can't get rid of the US sanctions though and that really bothers him. Russia won't ever change until he's dead. I'm hoping there's a revolution because if not, someone he picks will continue to rule and cheat the same way.

Russia was on the path to becoming more open and free under Yeltsin but his image of a drunken old grandpa turned off many Russians and they wanted someone who had the image of strength and respect.

Pence was promised something and only realizes now that he's just a pawn for those who sweet talked him into being Trump's VP. Pence's blind ambition failed him to see that he's being set up as fall guy to keep Trump a little bit longer in power when needed. Still curious about the time table of this whole Destroy US / the world operation. Is it all supposed to be said and done by 2020?

Christie has a book coming out in about six weeks. Even if he had been given the COS job, he would have been fired by seven weeks - after giving up his ABC gig, the private law practice and the scheduled paid speeches. Christie has his flaws, but he can apparently do the math.

Ok what about Israel? Jared is spying for them right? I read a post a while ago on DL that convinced me that Jared's dad is Mossad. Coz he introduced Gay gov of NJ to his bf who was appointed some ridiculous position but it didn't go thru...Benjamin N. also slept in his house, etc. Even if he's not mossad, he's very connected to Israel and I'm sure he's (jared) is passing them info.

donn't forget Christie is very corrupt himself. I mean #bridgegate was a huge setback for his career.

What Republican isn't corrupt? Between them, not even one good character.

Wait... has this turned into a dumb conspiracy thread?

Fuck.

The Odd Couple: Junior Mint's fugliness is unique; and his moll's looks are a proverbial dime a dozen.

[quote] Eventually, they'll settle on another bogieman, like PUTIN, being solely responsible.

I’m criticizing Greenwald and Manafort-adjacent Tad Devine while you’re defending Putin, and you’re calling ME a troll, asshole?

FUCK YOU.

P.S., I am the OP of the first three threads in this series, Putin-defender.

MANAFORT brought in pence, I would suspect at the direction of Putin. Javanka were good with the choice but did not bring him into the circle.

I wish they would send Jared to prison for life.

remember Melania liked Pence for VP pick too

Putin-defending R462 also gives Bernie credit for the Blue Wave rather than Hillary Clinton. You’re a fucking asshole, R462:

[quote] Love him or hate him, Bernie helped deliver one of the biggest blue wave victories in US political history....the biggest, in fact.

I think the inability to prosecute a sitting President has served the USA well in terms of keeping a President safe from an endless barrage of politically inspired frivolous law suits to undermine his administration.

I go back and forth on this issue with Trump, but today I believe the Constitution has it right. Let the impeachment process take care of the removal of a president.

[quote]I imagine Putin is blackmailing Pence, same as Trump and Jared.

Yep .

And why was the RNC hacked but no documents released? And recently the Congress GOP was hacked too - it was in the news - yet again nothing released.

All this hacking harvested tons of BLACKMAIL material. I'm sure that's partly why the likes of Miz Lindz started licking Trump's butt.

I’m with ya r493

Sure, let impeachment remove him.

It doesn't mean he's above the law. It doesn't mean he can't be indicted. Two memos from Nixon and Clinton DoJs stating they won't indict a POTUS as DoJ policy is basically nothing. It's not even a regulation.

He can be indicted. He should be indicted. I'm beginning to believe that Mueller will indict him.

Putin picked picked people who had no patriotric bone in their bodies and no honor. Not that difficult to find in the Republican Party.

Pence doesn't give a fuck about liberal and democratic America. He wants a theocracy. I am sure Manafort / Putin told him that they want that, too.

Trump, the GOP, the 1% they don't give a fuck about liberal and democratic America. They want an oligarchy, Manafort / Putin told them they want that, too. But what Manafort / Putin failed to mention is that it's Russians taking over and be those oligarchs not the local US money elite.

[quote]I go back and forth on this issue with Trump, but today I believe the Constitution has it right.

The problem is the constitution didn't account for AR-15s or a treasonous President that couldn't be stopped by electors because people managed to circumvent their actual purpose.

If there's anyone in the White House reading, hide "the football" when Trump is indicted and make sure to film the reaction on your phone.

R493, you have reading comprehension problems as well as troll breath. Bernie 'helped' is not giving sole credit, fool, and so what if you put up a few of these threads? Anyone could. No one needs to believe you, either.

Furthermore, it's well known a troll started a few of these threads and it was mentioned quite a while back.

You sound mightly upset for getting caught out as the real troll with your divisive BERNIE Bros shit. Hillary is not the only Democrat in this country, either, and is not solely responsible for motivating voters.

Putin isn't being defended in that post, fool. He wasn't alone in his machinations to turn the GOP into traitors, and anyone who knows anything about history for the last 50 years doesn't need to question what his motives were in doing it.

No one but you.

During the presidential debates, Christie came out strongly against Russia. Then when Christie finally got a bit of momentum in New Hampshire, he was targeted by a dark money super pac that was funded by a Russian oligarch. Unfortunately for Christie, he didn't have any money to fight back - most of the establishment donor money had gone to Jeb.

I’m sorry but bringing up Tad Divine is A HUGE RED FLAG. I mean, what normal person even brings him up. We 20 other household names that are under the gun and he gets brought up?

Bernie Sanders is a Russian / GOP asset making sure that he took as many votes away from Hillary Clinton as possible to make it look reasonable for Clinton to have lost in 2016 when Russia hacked the election to manipulate the votes to give the win to Trump.

[quote]The Troll at [R450] also has other threads and posts worried that nothing will happen to Trump - over and over and over.

[quote]Concern Troll.

R460, proving my point for me — unless you’re a photo negative version of a deplorable, spouting untruths to make your point, you HAVE to be a “troll.”

R460 is probably one of those false information peddlers who still posts that trump in people magazine meme which has been proven false.

And R460 is probably one of those untethered-from-reality echo chamber types screaming that “abuse of power” is grounds for impeachment.

Girls, girls, you’re both tedious.

Love you r506!

[quote]So no, I'm not carrying Pence's water, I'm just saying that I'd be surprised if he was the one they sealed off the court for. I don't think it was him. I'd be more willing to believe it was either Trump, Jared, Ivanka or Donnie, Jr. There's also the possibility it could have been a prominent member of Congress.

Could it be Stone?

Maybe he wants to play ball and wants no one to know about it.

Would his prior recalcitrance be categorized as subpoena-related?

I saw something about a week ago that said the FBI had called in some person for questioning, then hacked his phone while he was there and got all his emails. The person had no idea at the time.

Remember how quiet Pence was at the Pelosi/Trump meeting. He was paying close attention to everything, but acted like there was duct tape over his mouth. To me, it seemed like he was afraid to say anything at all, like maybe his lawyer told him not to say anything in public. At all.

Putin has sponsored both far-right and far-left groups and ideologies because they destabilize the status quo, throw the establishment in disaray, and can wreak havoc. Particularly in Europe, this dual strategy works against the EU and centrist non extreme traditional governments. If Europe is weakened - as it is now - he wins.

So it's perfectly conceivable the BernBros are cultivated and spurred by the Russians too, in some form or another.

I wonder if Corsi and Stone are the next to be indicted. Hopefully Corsi filing that pathetic lawsuit won't stall things and will be thrown out quickly

as much as we're hoping, Mueller probably won't indict Jared and Don Jr until near the very end because he knows that Trump will have the biggest meltdown he's ever had

FYI, R494, nothing stops the President from being sued civilly. The only question concerns criminal actions, which, of course, are not addressed in the Constitution.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Bernbros (turning on Hillary Clinton) were Russian trollbots, too.

[quote] I’m sorry but bringing up Tad Divine is A HUGE RED FLAG. I mean, what normal person even brings him up.

Are you fucking serious? Not only did Manafort and Devine work together at Putin’s request to steal votes from the Ukrainian female presidential candidate (including facilitating possible murders instigated by Putin, and coining the phrase “lock her up” in the process, later used to great effect by Devine again), but Tad Devine is working as a “cooperating witness” WITH Mueller regarding Manafort at present.

Last weekend, someone on DL said that Pence was huddled with his lawyers that weekend, at the same time that Republicans were having conversations about abandoning Trump. Don't know what the source was for that, but it's an interesting context for Pence's expression at the Trump tantrum.

There was a story in Michael Lewis's book, about Pence demanding from Christie why some CEO's name wasn't on the list for Secretary of Labor, or something like that. Christie explained that there were rumors the guy beat his wife and that a confirmation hearing could be embarrassing for the administration. After Christie was booted and Pence took over, the CEO was put up for the position after all, and then had to later be withdrawn after his ex-wife came out with stories about being abused. There are probably more stories like that which haven't come out yet, where Pence provided quid-pro-quo to wealthy donors.

[quote]FYI, [R494], nothing stops the President from being sued civilly. The only question concerns criminal actions, which, of course, are not addressed in the Constitution.

That’s not correct. The president has absolute immunity from civil liability based on his actions while in office. Nixon v Fitzgerald, 1982.

[quote]Love him or hate him, Bernie helped deliver one of the biggest blue wave victories in US political history..

Idiot @ R462, BernieBros couldn't get their lazy arses off the couch in Nov 2016. Bernie and Stein are both Russian assets. They are part of Putin's divide and conquer strategy.

Just watch out for AOC doing the same thing in 2020. She's already talking about primary democrats if they don't suck up to the fauxgressives.

" ...but it's an interesting context for Pence's expression at the Trump tantrum."

He’s thinking, “just arrest me already”

Pence looks like he's just seen mother naked.

“Lock ME up”

I don't buy the line that Trump did not expect to win in 2016. He was out on the trail considerably more than Hillary. There was an elaborate scheme with Russia to swing the election favoring Trump, and it began way before many have actually believed. It was risk-taking cheating and criminal. He paid off women with his multiple sex scandals. He may have been surprised and unprepared as to his electoral victory, but his intent was certainly to win.

There are prior indictors Karen Pence and Mary Christie find Trump offensive.

ugh too much debate today. This is what happens when no new news comes out. Hopefully by Monday we'll get something else

I think we will have to wait and see about Pence, but I wouldn't be surprised by an eventual reveal of his complicity or his commission of distinct crimes.

Let's do a thought experiment that presumes Pence is in fact guilty of criminal acts. Compare the discovery of Pence's criminality to the same discovery in Trump's case.

With Trump, we have learned over time. We have grown accustom to his criminality. Articulating the immensity of the crimes will challenge lawmakers because so much is already public and society is adjusting to the relative normalcy of Trump's criminal behavior.

A sudden charge against Pence would shock the system. For Trump it would be more of the same. In Pence's case, it would premise his resignation.

[quote]I don't buy the line that Trump did not expect to win in 2016. He was out on the trail considerably more than Hillary. There was an elaborate scheme with Russia to swing the election favoring Trump, and it began way before many have actually believed. It was risk-taking cheating and criminal. He paid off women with his multiple sex scandals. He may have been surprised and unprepared as to his electoral victory, but his intent was certainly to win.

There’s a lot of circumstancial evidence that Trump in fact did not intend to win. First, I’ve always believed that Hillary and Trump has that dinner before he threw his hat in the ring to discuss his running, and they agreed it would benefit both of them. Trump was the only R candidate Hillary was polling ahead of, but Trump would beat any of them in the primary. So why not have Trump run, kill all of the other candidates, and then lose to Hillary in the GE? Hillary gets to be pres, Trump gets a place in history and a huge following boost.

It wasn’t until his ego was fed by the crowds that he began to act like he was an actual candidate, but I still believe they didn’t think Trump could actually get elected, and that he was doing it more to develop a cult than to become president.

The use of the Russian info just furthered the development of the cult. And Trump certainly wasn’t going to say no to them — he’s been their puppet for years, taking their money and spouting their nonsense. Even the Russians themselves didn’t necessarily expect Trump to win — nor did he have to in order to advance their plans. All they wanted was to escalate anger and division in America, knowing that polarization hurts democracy, because to succeed democracies need compromise.

Note how Trump and his people reacted when he won. Ashen-faced and almost mournful. And all of the shenanigans of trump and his cronies would have been quickly forgotten had he lost. That’s what they expected, like Bloom and Bialystock.

I don't think Pres Bone Spurs thought Russia could pull off stealing the election.

R525 That's a whole lot of horse manure...

[quote] A sudden charge against Pence would shock the system.

How, for example, would it be shocking to get official confirmation that he knew about Flynn being a Russian / "foreign" agent?

Pence may not be as big of a crook as Trump but he's still enough of a crook to get indicted or impeached for it. And nobody would be surprised that another one in Trump's team is corrupt and a liar.

I find certain comments about Pence very interesting. Why is someone, or several someones, so intent to establish a certain narrative about Pence all of a sudden?

Pence is just a stupid name.

R505, dear, I hate to burst your bubble but as an old person who remembers Watergate, I assure you that Abuse of Power, the misusing and exploitation of the powers of presidential office for personal political gain and/or protection, IS grounds for impeachment. It was in the 1970's before you were born and it still is today. No POTUS can do that shit. Well, let me rephrase that, they can do it and many have gotten away with it but if they get caught, they're fucked and impeachable. It's not just a High Crime, as I used to hear in certain quarters of Boston, it's a Wicked High Crime.

Richard Nixon, a fatally flawed but still REAL president could not do it and get away with it. That means that Donald Trump, a fatally flawed and bigly FAKE president sure as hell can't do it and get away with it.

But really, sweetums, what difference could it possibly make? The list of High Crimes and Misdemeanors that this clownish, criminal fraud is guilty of is as long as my arm. And Robert Mueller knows about every single one of them.

It wasn't Stone in the courthouse. With as open as Roger Stone's been about his sleaziness since the 70's, Putin has more than enough to put Stone in jail for life. Stone's not turning on anyone. I don't know if he's the one fighting the Grand Jury, I vaguely recall that it was supposedly someone connected to him but that was in the paper a while ago. Nobody knows.

R523 has the attention span of gnat.

[quote][R505], dear, I hate to burst your bubble but as an old person who remembers Watergate, I assure you that Abuse of Power, the misusing and exploitation of the powers of presidential office for personal political gain and/or protection, IS grounds for impeachment

No it’s not, you drooling moron. That’s like saying that yelling at your spouse is “grounds for divorce.”

The grounds for divorce usually include mental cruelty. NOT “yelling.” Now, could yelling under certain circumstances constitute mental cruelty? Yes. Or no. Who here hasn’t yelled at least once at their boyfriend or spouse? (Crickets.)

Just as yelling at your spouse isn’t grounds for divorce, abuse of power isn’t grounds for impeachment. The judiciary committee did not recommend that Nixon be impeached on the grounds of abuse of power. What they recommended was that he be impeached on the grounds of high crimes or misdemeanors.

What happened to the gay IQ? We used to be the smart ones, who saw things in a more sophisticated way. Having just been schooled on this, you can bet it went right over r531’s head and she’ll be back for more. We really need to start a new board called flyoverlounge.com to relegate the r531s to so we can discuss this intelligently without further interruption.

[quote]impeachment. It was in the 1970's before you were born

Literally never right. About ANYTHING. lol

Ita r504

[quote] First, I’ve always believed that Hillary and Trump has that dinner before he threw his hat in the ring to discuss his running, and they agreed it would benefit both of them.

R525, who wrote the above, is a conspiracy theorist trying to link Hillary with Trump’s crimes. Fuck OFF.

R526, R527, R528 and R529 are blocked to me, and I only block Trussia trolls and BernieBros.

r528, because there hasn't been official confirmation or even mainstream reporting of Pence's criminality, which stands in contrast to the confirmation and steady drip, drip, drip of mainstream reporting on Trump.

It would be a shock because it would come unexpectedly and all at once.

[quote] because there hasn't been official confirmation or even mainstream reporting of Pence's criminality, which stands in contrast to the confirmation and steady drip, drip, drip of mainstream reporting on Trump.

But it was reported that he claimed he knew nothing about it. Of course nobody believes him. And sooner or later that will be confirmind and, again, does not come as a shock to anybody.

Renewed and deeper interest in Mike Pence is not suspicious, it's normal. The closer the Orange Cunt gets to impeachment or resignation, the more closely Pence is going to be looked into by everybody and most people still don't really know much about him. Adoring gazes at Trump aside, with the way Trump sucked all the oxygen out of every room, every day in 2016, it's no wonder we never got to know much about Mike Pence.

What people think about him in the GOP, I don't know. He was never a top tier player. He's just weird and if he fills out the last year of Trump's term and sacrifices himself running for President in 2020, no great loss. I presume they are willing to sacrifice Mike Pence.

R529, don't be a cunt. What do you think about Pence? I think he's a bit dim but basically a run of the mill, religious huckster, right wing goober who hates and fears gay men above all else (we won't get into his closet). He took the gig with Trump hoping to one day become POTUS or simply because he was losing Indiana and this was a much better offer than he was going to get from anywhere else. He's dirty on Flynn because he ran the transition team and Mueller probably has the goods on him. I doubt he's in the loop on a lot of what Trump and his crime family do in the White House, they're like the Mafia and he's not a made man.

Whatever the end of the story for Mike Pence, we have one hell of a constitutional crisis headed our way.

As I said before, Pence's eyes were closed because he was dreaming of all the rough-trade-jail-cock he's going to get in prison.

What's next, Pence is innocent, because he's just a glorified coffee boy?

R540

R533, you poor thing, you literally know nothing about this, not even the most basic facts.

On July 27, 29, and 30, 1974, the House Committee on the Judiciary approved three articles of impeachment against Nixon, for obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress, and reported those articles to the House of Representatives.

Better luck next time, dear.

Anyway, Zinkie is gone. Why did trump hire so many criminals for his Cabinet?

R543 Zinkie is just running away before the Dem House comes in. If they were smart, the rest of the Cabinet Criminals will resign soon as well.

For Christ sake, Tramp is a criminal and a traitor, he could be impeached.

You think that Congressional hearings are like HR visits? His investigations will continue.

Mick Mulvaney thinks that Trump is a terrible human being. Of course, Mulvaney is one of the most evil people in Trump's administration.

Per the R441 post, note that the Democratic Coalition (Against Trump) is co-founded by Scott Dworkin. He made an appearance on a panel with AM Joy of MSNBC last January.

This obsure and little known contingent, if that, is NOT an arm or affiliation of the Democratic Party.

The Democratic Coalition is not an investigative body of the government either. Miz Lindzey's PAC funding, and probably her hacked Emails need scrutinty, but it will take the FBI and/or a Congressional Committee to unearth evidence. Maybe some highly competent investigative journalists could also make inroads in garnering further details about foreign contributions to these political PACs.

Nixon faced 3 articles of impeachment, obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and refusal to obey congressional subpoenas.

So yes, abuse of powers is an impeachable offense.

I love when pompous know-it-all assholes like R533 are shown to be wrong by the much smarter DL posters. It warms my heart.

Of course, he'll never admit he was wrong.

Putin has had more work done. He looks fucking ridiculous...but of course nobody says it to his face or they will probably die afterwards.

Christ, he looks terrible.

I think Putin being such a freak is part of why he is so dangerous. He's a power obsessed egomaniac and he will not stop sowing division.

He doesn't really care about Russia or Russians, stability, prosperity or peace. All he wants is his glory, his wealth, his power.

And his money

Russia has been a shithole for 1,000 years. The Russian aristocracy, the Russian Orthodox church, the Communists, the post-Communist kleptocracy - just different flavors of murderous greed.

Where did Pence's #1 fan go?

Like most trolls they don't normally stick around once they've been called out.

Thoughts?

Kansas State Sen. Barbara Bollier has announced that after 43 years as a registered Republican and 10 years as a GOP lawmaker she is switching parties, saying Republicans’ stances on LGBTQ issues, particularly transgender rights, pushed her over the edge.

Was Wendi nearby?

Interesting R559... I still wouldn't trust her though.

How does that swing the numbers now?

There really must be a campaign to make Pence seem innocent.

Someone on my Social Media feed re-posted something that basically talked about how Pence is such a Godly man.

Did you reply letting them know that Pence sucks dicks?

The Pence thing is interesting. I've noticed the effort on various platforms as well (not just DL).

I can't figure out if they're trying to get in front of a story or if they're trying to prepare and present him as a good option after they dumb Drumpf.

After who dumps him? The Rethugs sure don't seem like they're headed in that direction any time soon.

I still wish theyd find out with undeniable proof that the Republicans (and Russians) messed with the actual vote totals. I know nothing would be done about it but I want the proof out there. I feel like I know they did with every ounce of certainty in my body.

R567 I have no doubt they fucked with the numbers.

Does anyone remember the prediction that Avenatti made awhile back? He said he knew something was going to happen in December and I can't remember what it was. Was it that Jr. was going to be indicted?

Pelosi looks like such a boss.

I seem to recall something like that R570. I remember it was a statement that he was never wrong when he makes statements like that.

But I don't remember what it was specifically. The Jr thing sounds familiar. I don't know that anyone took him seriously though.

He said Junior would be indicted by his birthday....which is December 31

That would be amazing if he turns out to be right about that.

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I'd come hands free if Avenatti's prediction came through.

Hate linking to the NYT but:

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If they indicted Jr before his birthday it would be fantastic if they did it while the entire family is together at Maralago!

I can't wait for Dotard to start pulling a Mariah on all his kids once they start getting indicted.

I would love it if that weasel Jared is secretly selling them all out to Mueller.

Of course I'm sure they messed with the vote totals but I hardly think they are that stupid and incompetent to leave a evidence trail pointing back to them?? c'mon, don't be fucking stupid!

I honestly think the only kid he'd be interested in trying to protect is Ivanka.

That being said, if it came down to it and he needed to save himself? You bet Little Handed Donnie is gonna sell his little girl out too!

Daddy would never sell me out! Not after all I've done!

Daddy says I'm the best at it!

isn't Chinless Jr still hiding out in Canada? Or did the Canadians toss his ugly ass back across the border?

Yes, I keep waiting for him to kick her out of a moving car so it can slow the po po down and he can get his ass out of town.

I think Don Jr has been back for a few days at least, he was at some event with that fox news whore. I saw the red carpet pics.

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Jesus, that photo at R590 is something I never needed to see.

Ever

Treason of the Bitch can't come soon enough!!!

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I do wish people were still awake this time of night, but since they ain't, let's plunge in anyway ... yeah, r525 I'm kinda with you. people get pissy about this, thinking we are fools who just don't get the whole Putin three dimensional chess thing, but I really don't think Trump went into this thinking "I'm going to be President." I think it was very much a game at first, and building a brand, and negotiating with NBC, and all kinds of stupid shit, but it slowly, gradually got more serious, and really to his surprise, this stupid game that he gradually started playing more and more seriously actually turned out to be not such a game after all. and here we are. and now we have to undo all this crap that nobody necessarily wanted to begin with.

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