'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64)

Link to previous thread for reference.

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

When will it Be Mushroom Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/21/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

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Deck the halls with...WTF IS THAT?!?

Thanks again OP

Isn't this a bit premature as there are still 18 responses left in the old thread?

Or was OP just so eager to get a thread with a cutesy poo title started she wet herself in anticipation?

It was necessary, R6, because the previous thread is so long and loaded with links that it takes several seconds to get the page to scroll down even a little bit. It also made my phone shut down when I had 32% battery power left.

DL really functioned a lot better when you had to “turn the page” after every 20 posts (was it 20?).

R6 is on block. Wonder why.

Can we make "Dan and Marilyn Quayle's disapproval" a meme?

Ruby Julie punks himself, yells at cloud

Hahahahaha r11

How long after he started complaining did he finally take the tweet down? That was one of the best pranks I've ever seen.

"[R6] is on block. Wonder why."

Because you're a precious little snow flake who can't stand opinions that diverge from your narrow minded, idiotic view of the world?

Rudy is an idiot -- and is the lawyer that Donald J. tRump deserves.

[quote]Arabella is derived from 'orabilis'

Dorothy, let me! I'm very good at it!

The trolls seem not to have found this thread yet, so I'll fill in for them: "I am outraged that Mueller recommended no jail for the traitor Flynn. And now it looks like Pence will go free, as everybody is saying. Mueller was to be the salvation of the motherland, and now my faith in him, and in everything, is crushed and I have lost all hope!"

Don't forget the "Mueller is a Republican" screed, R17.

Crooks!

No treason thread is complete without a "I am soooooooooooo concerned about ...!"

I also have R6 blocked.

r17, Stop the conflating. I for one am not a troll, never have been (why would the US be called "the motherland"? I hate even "homeland".). I simply want "Lock her up!" Man to be, well, locked up! I'm all about IRONY.

And FTR, I have never expressed any of the rest of your post.

r18, If Mueller is a Republican, good. This eliminates the usual accusation by other Republicans.

I don't know what you're talking about, R22. My post was making fun of the trolls in the last thread. Who are you, anyway?

Attention trolls: please opt for creativity. If you're going to troll, at least be entertaining. The following themes have been thoroughly played out and are now boring to us, so don't bother:

1. Mueller is Deep State

2. Mueller is secretly targeting Obama/Clinton (or related QAnon bullshit)

3. There is no collusion/evidence, it's all fake news

4. This investigation has been a big nothingburger

5. This investigation/Mueller is failing/going to fail/disappointing

6. "I'm so CONCERNED!"

7. Unless precisely ___ happens, this was all for nothing!

8. Collusion isn't a crime!

(Fellow non-trolls, please feel free to add to the played-out list.)

9. Trump's going's to survive all of this and complete a second four-year term.

[quote]Igor, aka R6, soooo hurt R9 blocked me

Yeah, you're totally not bothered... hence the need to respond.

10. I am not a troll! I've been here since 1978!

11. You people just like to scream Boris because you are morons and can't handle differing opinions of course you don't know what my differing opinions are because I've cleared my cookies and it's not because I'm ashamed!

If I may add my personal favorite:

“I’m a lifelong Democrat, BUT....”

Yikes.

Anyway.

R29, yes that should be right up there with, "I voted for Clinton but...)

Perhaps we should just keep these tactics under the Troll Farm thread.

R29, I just smacked my forehead--how could I forget that one!

Yes, I agree with r32. We are clogging up a good thread with troll remarks (like this one.)

back on topic - at the end of the last thread, I was clutching my pearls about the Saudis getting nuclear power.

It seems like Flynn was the one trying to make this deal.

After listening to old episodes of Mueller, she wrote, I have to wonder if the scumbag, Prince, was going to be put in charge of the mercs "guarding" those reactors and doing the security.

I hope he gets jailed.

Pres Bone Spurs looked pressed (I'm bringing that tired word out for him) at the funeral. Something weighing on his mind?????????????

Something is weighing on his bones. It’s called McDonalds.

NEW: Fox News sr judicial analyst @Judgenap expects to see @DonaldJTrumpJr indicted: “I don’t know who, but I do know that Donald Jr. has told friends he expects to be indicted.”

“Do you expect he’d be indicted?” @danabrams asked.

“Yes,” Napolitano said.

R36, He was pissed that he had to sit there and listen to nice things being said about someone other than himself.

Ironically, lots of people WISHED it was all about him.Many, many people.

Nothing’s going to happen to the president. I can’t stand him, but he’s here to stay for the next 2 years.

12. Nothing’s going to happen to the president. I can’t stand him, but he’s here to stay for the next 2 years.

Notice the "I can't stand him" part?

And what makes you think that? R40

13. There's NOTHING wrong with being worried! People have a RIGHT to express their fears, which Mueller has given them!

The Concern Troll Defenders are worse than the Concern Trolls.

"I'm the most liberal Democrat for life ever and I can't stand him but Oh Well. Now, if you really want to see me get angry, ask me about her emails...."

Not trying to be a dick, but is it really "breaking news" that Donald, jr. believes he's getting indicted? I thought he voiced that concern some time now.

14. I vote straight ballot democrat. Always have, always will.

Trump is certainly not an ideal president, but have you really seen your life affected negatively since he took office.

Think about that for a minute, and enjoy your tax cut

[quote]I thought he voiced that concern some time now.

It is now an hourly occurrence.

"I've voted Democrat all my life, but they've become too extreme. Pelosi is obsessed with foisting the trans agenda on us. Or maybe she's a neoliberal. I forget which, but whatever's wrong with her, it completely overshadows whatever Trump and the Republicans are doing."

R45

He told a some friends over a month ago, that he felt he was going to be indicted soon. The sooner the better!

I don't think the analysis on the Chelsea Clinton and Ivanka 'reconnect' was accurate at all. It looked like Chelsea was pissed in all the end shots of that situation.

I hate all of them, but will be especially happy to see the downfall of Ivanka and the The Thin Man.

"The REAL danger is Ocasio-Cortez! Just think of all the harm she's doing with no seniority in the House before she's even sworn in!"

Fuck me

"And don't forget, R51, that in some unspecified way she no friend of the gays."

I do really love the fact that Stone, Flynn et al are all going broke with legal fees. That gives me joy.

Damn Mike Flynn is the definition of hatchet face.

[quote]Fuck me

Possibly, but I'm gonna need some more information first.

Jail time is one way to break a man. There's also financial burden, loss of credibility and overwhelming paranoia.

[quote]How long after he started complaining did he finally take the tweet down?

It's still there.

It’s interesting that the focus has been mostly on Cohen, Manfort, and Stone in recent months, and Flynn disappeared from the news cycle.

I’ve been wondering about his cooperation with Mueller, and I guess that he’s decided to do the right thing for himself and America. At least I hope so.

When are we going to find out why Manafort chose Pence?

Hill reporting that the White House is considering replacing Pence on the 2020 ticket. Supposedly because he doesn't add anything concrete to the ticket.

I think it's a veiled threat because of Flynn and what Pence will have to say. And the fact that they leaked this today.

[Quote] 14. I vote straight ballot democrat. Always have, always will.

[Quote] Trump is certainly not an ideal president, but have you really seen your life affected negatively since he took office.

[Quote] Think about that for a minute, and enjoy your tax cut.

R43 is a direct quote from earlier thread here!!!

R57, are you kidding me? What a complete idiot.

[quote]Supposedly because he doesn't add anything concrete to the ticket.

I can help with that. Done it many, many times. They never come back up.

Trump wouldn't have the gumption to tell Pence that he was off the ticket.

[quote] R46: Trump is certainly not an ideal president, but have you really seen your life affected negatively since he took office...Think about that for a minute, and enjoy your tax cut

My life has been very negatively affected, in addition to getting a tax increase. What planet are you on, R46?

"I voted for Obama twice and Hillary, too. I can't stand Trump either but he IS our President now and he deserves our respect and support."

R65, please note that R46 is quoting one of the trolls on an earlier thread.

Why is that one poster numbering his/her posts?

[quote]Trump is certainly not an ideal president, but have you really seen your life affected negatively since he took office.

Mine certainly has been, because I care about more than “I’ve got mine.”

Don Jr. will be offered a deal, no jail time.

Ok, thanks, R66.

R67, they're listing the various trolling themes

I have been here since 1954, I assume that proves I am not a troll. Trolls frighten me...I have called a Priest to bless the board. Namasta.

I love Hillary laughing, I wish I would see that often.

I only hope that Flynn told his rwnj brat to STFU and we never have to hear his pizzagate bullshit again.

[italic] Benedict Arnold served his country well before he made some mistakes. I don’t think he should be viewed in black in white. [italic]

This is how it sounds to me as they talk about Flynn.

Crap

I don't believe Trump will be running in 2020 but if he is, Pence will only be on the ticket if he can manage to blackmail Trump...I mean it worked for Putin and for the Crown Prince.

I can explain the choice of Pence with a personal anecdote: my mother, a racist and hateful evangelical, was thrilled that Trump picked a "sexy man of faith". My parents came for the tax cut, but stayed for the smiley white phony holy dude.

I think Trump will only run again if it will keep him from prosecution; or, if someone goads him into it. Both are pathetic.

Seriously, trump running again? Look at what we already know about the corruption in his administration. Trump and his minions are going down

Trump will be ask to resign and to save Ivanka, hopefully the dipshit will do it.

Can you imagine 6 more years of this BS, if we were to live with more Pres. Trump? What an abomination.

It's not just that Trump is a grifter...he filled his cabinet with grifters, each of them nothing but criminals. So disgusting that every Republican out there is trying to make a buck, illegally.

Even they stopped believing their bullshit about enterprise and the market.

Trump already started campaigning for 2020 a few days after he got sworn in. That way he was allowed to receive campaign donations (certainly not bribes! *LOL*) and there was something about staff not being able to testify or something.

When will Trump be gone...to be honest, I never thought he would last this long. Apparently Americans have a taste for racist criminals.

Even if she doesn't face any indictments, I hope Ivanka's reputation is so tarnished that she'll never think about running for Pres in the future. You know conservatives have already talked about it. They act like she's the nation's princess.

but Ivanka might be facing state charges (hopefully)

There is no reason to dump Pence from the ticket except to hold it over Pence’s head.

The Qanon lunatics were absolutely certain that Trump was going to arrest all parties involved in the Mueller investigation at Poppy Bush's funeral today.

And you know what? They were not.

*sad trombone*

I imagine Whitaker was ordered by Trump to get the unredacted Flynn memo so that he could read it. That is, so Whitaker could read it to him. He looked extremely glum this morning and it had nothing to do with being at a funeral.

[quote]I think Trump will only run again if it will keep him from prosecution; or, if someone goads him into it. Both are pathetic.

The ONLY thing standing between Trump and a prison cell is his office. He will do everything he can to hold on to that power. You better believe he has every intention of running again. I'm sure in his mind he has no choice.

There's no way Trump and Whitaker have seen the unredacted memo. Trump would have been on such a ragebender his handlers would have had to shoot him with an elephant tranquilizer gun.

My understanding from legal Twitter is that two groups of people had access to the unredacted memo: the judge and Mueller's office.

Mueller seems pretty careful about stuff like that.

And I must say I'm sorely disappointed that Trumpito didn't take the stage at Poppy Bush's funeral like a drunk ex at a wedding rehearsal dinner.

I bet that audience has NEVER heard him talk about how he won Pennsylvania!

Ivanka is pretty much hated. She had to take her name off of her Chinese made clothing.

My fantasy is that he would get up in the middle of the eulogies and just walked out, leaving everyone including Melania behind.

“President Bush was a great man. A great man. Didn’t get as many electoral votes as I did, but still pretty great. Pretty great. Remember 2016? Everyone predicted Hillary was going to win in a landslide. But we pulled out a historic win. Historic electoral victory. I don’t know. The fake news never talks about that though, do they? Russia Witch Hunt! What are you gonna do? President Bush had it easy. But he was still pretty great. You think he was great? Could be."

Remember when I told you that Trump, Jared and Ivanka were selling protection to autocratic countries around the world? They just keep doing it, the graft never ends with the criminal Trump.

so it seems like from the way Fox is spinning things, Flynn will probably end up with a gig on that network. Just quickly flipped over and that scumbag lawyer Joe DiGenova just said on idiot Tucker Carlson's show that Flynn never lied and was instead framed. It started with Sally Yates deciding she would frame him so they could then get at Trump.

Yes this is all bullshit crazy talk but the millions of deplorables who watch this shit BELIEVE IT

and again I know there are more of us than them but they always reliably vote. Liberals and moderates are much more flaky.

I wonder what the hell Fox will spew on Friday when the really damaging shit about Manafort and his connections to Trump/Don Jr/Jared come out

At least now theyre looking at Ivanka and her role in the Trump Moscow deal....remember, she boasted she got to sit at Putins desk....plus her meeting with Wendi Dang.....I hope they finger her as one of the bagmen.

Trump has to run in 2020, so he can continue to use campaign to continue to fund his legal bills.

I wonder if the stuff about Trump dumping Pence was just a trial balloon to see if anybody cared that Pence wasn't on the ticket.

Trump doesn't want to run again but someone explained that "outside the White House is like lava".

[quote]I hope they finger her as one of the bagmen.

I'm the only one that gets to finger her! And my fingers are the biggest, longest, most beautiful fingers anyone has ever had!

R76, I agree with you to a large extent, I posted in the previous thread about Mueller’s wording on aggravated circumstances vs enormous mitigating factors. I struggle with it too, my post ended with “lock the mother fucker up.”

I do think the SC team, and the judge, have an obligation to weigh out the totality of Flynn’s life to achieve a fair and just sentence, and I think this sends a strong tone of mercy and fairness — no one can say they’re going too far or being vengeful!!! However, at the end of the day, yes, Flynn is a traitor and as such MUST serve some time! I hope that happens.

So having said all that, the other huge piece that we need to see is this......While both our emotions and logic tell us Flynn should serve time, Mueller is also doing this as part of a legal strategy to influence the many other witnesses in this case. Mueller playing his hand this way WILL influence other witnesses to cooperate, and we want as much cooperation as possible so that we can a) understand exactly what they did and not miss a single detail and b) root out every single American involved.

So while I desperately want Flynn to do time, if this mercy helps take down Trump, I’m all in. Whatever it takes, whatever it takes, just bring Trump DOWN.

And while we all know Trump is insane and a narcissist, he has “some” instincts and I guarantee he’s shitting his pants. He is so in over his head, and that fat fuck knows it. Tick tock mother fucker!

R36 comment reminded me of the day Dump gathered his Cabinet around a conference table and each attendee have to give glowing remarks about how wonderful their new President was. I’ll bet it burned his ego not being the focus today.

Poor wittle Donnie Junior!

Hmmmmmm. Let’s humor the idea for a minute that the Flynn redacted text focused on Pence and Jared — strong possibilities. If Trump starts to believe that is true, he will absolutely remove Pence from the 2020 ticket, which in turn makes Pence more likely to become a cooperating witness. Trump would be wiser to keep Pence close, but his impulsive nature doesn’t make it likely.

Next, what if Trump starts to believe for real that Jared has turned state’s evidence? Next moves? If Trump believes that, he will turn hard and fast and I actually believe that would be the only scenario in which he could turn on Ivanka. He would tell her she has to pick — her husband or her daddy. Of course, Ivanka will choose her husband because cooperating with Jared is her only ticket out of this mess. Cooperating is her only assurance that she’ll be out of prison to see her children. Staying loyal to daddy means the maximum sentence.

Look for an announcement that Ivanka/Jared are moving back to the tri-state area. That will be our signal that Trump and Ivanka have split. I also think Ivanka will eventually counsel Junior that daddy done him wrong, that daddy shouldn’t have asked him to take a bullet. And if Ivanka and Junior think like that, then all three could turn state against their father for reduced sentences.

Of course, it’s all speculation, but wouldn’t that be fun? Watching his flesh and blood turn on him just to save their own asses lolol? This is how I daydream nowadays....

How hard did the person handling Pres Bone Spurs have to work to keep him from saying something bad about HW? Who thinks we will have a negative tweet about him before the weekend is over?

That all sounds plausible, R107.

We've definitely had some dishonest presidents, some corrupt presidents. Have we ever had one so single minded in his narcissism, or so "eyes on the prize" when it comes to his own advantage. Lyndon Johnson was selfish, vulgar, nasty, crazy at times, and a political coward when it came to Vietnam, but he actually cared about the poor and civil rights and doing something about the fucked up situation for black people in this country. Nixon was a dickhead for the ages and a terrible man in so many ways, but he actually cared about foreign policy and his detente combined with opening China geostrategy was exactly what was needed at the time. And he actually gave a shit about the world situation. But Trump truly doesn't seem to care about anything but his own money and power and fame. The absolute worst president we've ever had.

and yeah, I think he will r108. Hatred seems to be his only constant motivator, never anything else. they can hold him down for a day or true, but the asshole will break free soon.

Why would DJT want to get rid of Pence? You can't find a better Yes-man or brown-noser around. Unless he was the NYT anon op-ed writer.

Where did I read today, something like “The hatred carried will be corrosive to the container that holds it” or something? One of the speakers?

R112 he would want Pence out because a) he never wanted him to begin with and resented having him foisted on his ticket, b) he can’t stand him/can’t relate to him, and c) he always turns on those he believes haven’t been loyal.

Trump needs a Veep guaranteed to pardon him in the event of impeachment and also appeal to suburban women. Get ready for Vice President Ivanka! Or, if Ivanka's already been indicted, Vice President Tiffany! Or, if Tiffany tells him to go fuck himself, Vice President Erica (after Eric starts taking the hormones)!

That is true r114. Think he trusts Pence to deliver?

He probably hates Pence, cause he pretty much hates everyone around him sooner or later. But I don't think he has any particular desire to get rid of him. he sucks in every way except that he has a kind of low cunning, and he gets that Pence has been a good little lapdog and there is no point in getting rid of him.

If Trump gets a.) impeached and then b.) indicted, no VP with any ambitions of staying president is going to pardon him. He has to have a lackey in there. That’s not Pence. Pence is Iago.

If you’re right r117, then he will install someone whose name is unfamiliar to all of us.

I think he will try to get Nikki Haley. She would widen his base and is good at being fake. She would stab him in the back at the first opportunity though. I found it interesting that she sold her home in SC and is staying in NYC. Like a spider!

[quote] “The hatred carried will be corrosive to the container that holds it”

It was at the funeral today. Perhaps from former Senator Simpson.

tRump carries so much hatred around you would think he would have sprung quite a few leaks at this point.

R119, no she's gone rogue on him a couple times. He needs absolute lapdog loyalty. Or at least someone who will be unseen and unheard.

Would only the Senate need to approve a new Vice President or the whole Congress?

I loved how some of the people who were giving eulogies today were making digs at Trump....like how someone emphasized How 41s hands were large...they were big hands.

Traitor Tot, a.k.a. Donald Jr, Ivanka and J-rod, Pence et al are going down. McConnell and Ryan too. Russia owns them all. Right, Svetlana?

Oh, wait til the Russians release the hacked RNCC's emails...dear god.

How can she afford NYC prices on a government salary? Does she live in a walk up on 175th st?

hope so. not sure, but hope so. though I admit part of me wants everyone really pissed off a couple more years.

Pence seems like a midwestern closeted gay to me. The have a “thing” that gives them away.

Pence is a closet case that hides behind his faith to mask his shame.

We keep thinking they have the power. They don't. They are terrified. Show them why.

The idea of Trump being eaten away from within by his own acid is so appealing.

[quote] Would only the Senate need to approve a new Vice President or the whole Congress?

A majority of both houses of Congress. So if anything like this were to happen, it would be better after January 3, when the Dems control the House of Representatives.

then I don't think it will, R131, just don't see it happening quickly. That would take a lot of competence, and nothing in this administration is about competence.

I just got back from watching Front Runner with that closeted guy and my take away was that the same MSM who got Gary Hart to drop out of the 88 election is the same MSM that gave Trump a billion dollars of free air time and made President Trump a reality.

Funny that Hart was ultimately running against the ex-CIA Director.

Makes you go HMMMMMM.

Goodnight Poppy, goodnight Bar...

Pence is already singing to Mueller. He probably was singing months ago. He strutted around that cathedral like a boss this morning...before Trump arrived. He was schmoozing with other VIPs, greeting people and was more animated than I've ever seen him. So was Mother! She even chatted up Hillary and Pence was very friendly to Hillary & BIll and the Obamas. Then when Trump arrived Pence and mother sat stone faced like statues in their seats. Trump totally ignored him. Did not acknowledge his own VP at all.

The only person Donnie JR can implicate who is above him in the pecking order is his own father. IMO, I think Jared, Donnie, Bannon Parscale and the Cambridge Analytica people will be indicted in the next round. Stone too. Prince, and hopefully a few members of Congress. Trump is gloomy because Cohen, Flynn, Manafort are all guilty. Flynn, Gates and Cohen are singing like birds. When they raided Cohen they found a treasure trove of tapes and emails. Lots of good stuff. Cohen taped everything. Between the noose tightening by Mueller's team, the House flipping to Democratic majority, and...this is a big one...Putin not nearly as friendly and supportive as he has been in the past, Trump is finally realizing he is in the shitter. And Mueller waited until his written answers were turned in.

r133....thats when the rot of the GOP started to take hold....people like Karl Rove and Newt Gingrich took hold of the GOP and it has done nothing but get worse since.

Anyone watch Maddow tonight?

You *know* Donald must secretly be wandering the halls thinking, "What did I do wrong? Why is he so mean?" re: Putin and having flashbacks to his childhood.

r136 gonna watch the repeat

I hate Nicky Healey, I hope people will not be fooled by her.

Auto correct gets on my nerves.

Maddow was good; and thank God she barely talked about the George H W Bush funeral at all.

Enough already!

[quote] Then when Trump arrived Pence and mother sat stone faced like statues in their seats.

To be fair, so did everyone else. It was as if the temperature in the National Cathedral had suddenly dropped to somewhere well below freezing as soon as he waddled in. He is a hated, despised, nasty prick and a wretched excuse for a human being. We cannot be rid of this vile creature soon enough. Pity that we've had to endure him for this long.

Impeach his fat ass and remove him or throw him in jail -- any combination in any order. Whatever works the fastest.

What R142 said.

[quote]Pence seems like a midwestern closeted gay to me. The have a “thing” that gives them away.

Worse. Ex-gay. Jesus made him love the pussy.

It amazes me that trump still has a 41% approval rating. Amazes me.

Everyone who has turned and told Mueller everything has already done so. Everyone who hasn't already is way too late. Mueller knows all.

R145 Americans are amoral... they support whoever patronizes them.

Trump will resign just to make Mueller stop reading to him the endless list of stone cold evidence Mueller has against him.

Hilarious and pathetic to read that Trump tried to ensure from the Bushes that there'd be no shade directed his way at GHWB's funeral.

A) Trump knew it was a real possibility and B) he couldn't take it. Sheer cowardice.

The hilarity though is in the fact that there didn't even need to be shade pointed his way, particularly. Just saw a clip on another thread of a former Canadian PM praising Poppy's human qualities with total respect and affection.

Message understood - but there cannot have been one mourner in the Cathedral not also thinking, And Look Who We're Stuck With Now. There he was at the front: fat, awkward, wrong in every way, trying not to acknowledge the obvious. In his silent rage he probably blamed the Bushes for reneging on their 'deal.'

If Trump doesn’t replace Pence before 01/01/2019, it’s not going to happen until the 2020 Convention.

As R131 explains, come the beginning of the year, Trump will need a goodly number of House Dems to vote with the House Republicans to approve a midstream replacement. Unless he proposes a pretty much nonpartisan Veep (??Warren Buffet???) it ain’t gonna happen.

The Democratic House will vote down Nikki H. (Trump probably doesn’t trust her anyway); Little Marco (though he might have had a slim chance had Gillum won the governorship) or even Mittens.

If Pence is forced out, come January, the House would rather let the Veep slot stay open (or use it for extreme leverage against the Senate) on the off- chance Trump is relieved of high office after fatally choking on a Big Mac (or whatever).

Then, they’d let the Constitution dictate the choice of our next President.

^^ 01/03/2019 ^^

The OP's header is THE reason even Trump beat her. Such a phony. Deep down everyone knows it.

I'll NEVER forget her co-opting the Nancy Ragen stare. I'll try to find it. I was a child and I immediately despised her. All of the old people would talk about Nancy gazing adoringly at Ronnie. Then Hillary was emulating it looking at BILL of all people! Sick making, it is.

[quote]Such a phony. Deep down everyone knows it.

A phony politician, you say? Well, I never!

Yes R149

Virtually everyone (including language-impaired Melania) “got it.”

Although I wonder if the Shade might actually have gone over the emotionally impaired receptors in the Dotard’s head.

All this talk about Trump replacing Pence. Really?

Mike Pence probably dislikes Trump more than Trump dislikes him, (and Pence's wife hates Trump). The only reason he's such a sycophant is that he expects Trump will go down and he'll step in as POTUS. But with all this talk of him being replaced, wouldn't that compel him to step forward with evidence so that Trump is gone long before that decision can be made?

You’re the sick-making misogynist, R152. I guess you can’t handle that Hillary easily beat both Donald and Bernie.

You’re a troll.

[quote]It amazes me that trump still has a 41% approval rating. Amazes me.

It's easier to fool people, than convince them they are being fooled.

[quote]Although I wonder if the Shade might actually have gone over the emotionally impaired receptors in the Dotard’s head.

Don't think so. Dotard is the most primitive zero-sum-gamer imaginable, even at 72. If very good things are being said about Someone Else - repeatedly, and at length - that means they're not being said about him. (And moreover, never will be.) Which in his pellet-brain is just plain wrong, so very wrong.

The fact that the copious good things were said about a much-loved former President, in the most grand and public setting, can only have compounded Dotard's total dismay. Delicious.

Simpson said that you can't contain hate because it erodes the bucket it's kept in.

He made a great speech.

Many, many people are going to be without Healthcare in 2019. The Republicans are completely to blame, I hope these millions know that. When the Dems get in office, can these do anything? Republicans make for a very sad country.

Honestly, Trump thinks so well of himself, he doesn't care if anyhim.else likes him.

Lol @ the ‘sad trombone’ of R89. I could actually hear the trombone sound effects associated with corpulent, lumbering people following Dump and Melenoma around the funeral ...

Do they do facial liposuction in prison, bro?

R156 Yeah, Bernie is a non-entity next to HIllary... only his cult thinks he's Socialist Jesus. Every time I see Bernie... I wonder who's animating this corpse! Trump is essentially American Psycho senior edition. Just a racist grandpa with no brains, no skills, no heart. But to the Trumpies, he's the Great White Hope.... America is indeed the land of delusions.

Trump appointed two racist judges to the Supreme Court, they hate workers and are probably being paid under the table by corporations. Could that be proved? Are there any good Americans in any corporations?

R104, Yes, we allow "character witnesses" for "the totality" of a person's life at his sentencing. However, for extremely heinous crimes such as murder or, say, ESPIONAGE or TREASON, ARE there really any "mitigating" factors?

Besides, how do we know if the treason and/or money-laundering, bribe-taking, or other crimes were NOT part and parcel of the allegedly "mitigating" erstwhile lives of Flynn et al.?

Benedict Arnold had been a great and loyal general, until he wasn't.

[quote]If very good things are being said about Someone Else - repeatedly, and at length - that means they're not being said about him. (And moreover, never will be.) Which in his pellet-brain is just plain wrong, so very wrong.

And not fair!

[quote]Men went to prison for Watergate; many men, including the most co-operative, John Dean (4 months).

Although he was convicted, and then sentenced to 1-4 years, on the day Dean surrendered, U.S. Marshals took him to Fort Holabird, an Army facility in Baltimore that had closed the year before. For the next four months he went to the Watergate Special Prosecutor's office every day, and eventually the judge reduced his sentence to time served.

So what are the tweets of the day? And how did they manage to keep him silent all day yesterday?

I was surprised he didn’t immediately run home from the funeral and snipe about how much he hated everyone there.

If he doesn’t tweet, it’s because his lawyers are telling him to stop giving Mueller more ammunition. And I can’t believe he could stop very long. It’s a compulsion with him.

R170 - at this point, thankfully, he's given Mueller plenty of ammunition. His own worst enemy.

I wonder if Flynn has been a Russian asset for a long, long time. And Mueller convinced him to become a double-agent in the last year, wearing a wire, etc. Making public just how helpful Flynn has been to the special council is akin to sending him into the bear pit.

That's my theory anyways.

[quote]If he doesn’t tweet, it’s because his lawyers are telling him to stop giving Mueller more ammunition.

If he doesn't tweet, it's because it doesn't serve his personal, selfish, greedy agenda.

There doesn't seem to have been anyone on his staff or in his family that can stop him from tweeting if he wants to.

If he doesn't tweet it means he is in the process of wiping.

...and I hope that Mueller is using those tweets as evidence!

For all those outraged that Flynn is doing no time....have no fear...Mueller has turned the Turkey portion of Flynns case to different prosecutors...so he will end up in prison at some point. Remember, Flynn was an unregistered agent for Turkey, and was also involved in a plot to kidnap and extradite a Turkish Cleric who lives in PA....he even took a former CIA director to a meeting where it was discussed (James Woosley)...Woosley and his wife have testified before the grand jury.

r176 James Woolsey, not Woosley.

Here we go again. Looking forward to the funeral train today.

Not going to lie, I have a vengeful heart.

If it turns out to be President Pelosi and VP HRC, I want it to be much, MUCH worse for Russia and the republicans than if they had just allowed rightfully-elected Hillary be president.

I want sanctions, I want famine, I want bankruptcies, I want epic humiliation, I want prison terms, I want executions, I want bombings, I want closet doors ripped from their hinges, I want the relatives and underlings of those responsible to have their assets taken their reputations destroyed, I want scorched earth...

Got your period, R179? Me too.

LOL, Cheryl. YES!

If nothing else, you have to admire the high, high level of resistance to the attempted coup.

R182, The coup occurred. See: POTUS. The task now is to achieve catharsis by ridding our body politic of the traitors.

r179, VP HRC? In what universe?

And anyway, if Pelosi was to somehow get the presidency in that way, I fully expect she would just be a placeholder until 2020, when the next real election takes place.

I see where you're coming from, R183, but I think the coup didn't fully happen because it never gained legitimacy (accept among traitors or deplorables). Ultimately, though, yes, catharsis is what's needed.

A little dated, but it’s entertaining enough.

La Senatrice for VP?

I think the only solution for Trump would be either Ivanka or Sarah Sanders as new VP. Ivanka knows how to handle him and Sarah says "Yes!" to everything he says and has no thought of her own so she wouldn't be a threat to him.

Sarah Sanders announced she was leaving the White House.

I don't think she's leaving because she wants to be Veep.

She's leaving because the jig is up.

And please stop with the HRC fantasies. If Trump or Pence decide or are forced to leave office the absolute last person the Dems should turn to is Hillary to unite this country. She's done and the Democrats need to offer up a new leader.

The Judge has just issued an order that SDNY and Muellers office have until 5pm tomorrow to file Cohens paperwork

You’re right R189. Hillary’s not going to happen; not now, not in 2020. Sadly, that train has left the station.

But I still think there’s a better than 10% chance of a temporary, President Pelosi.

I don't believe she wants it, but do you think Pelosi would defeat Trump in 2020?

Tomorrow is going to be off the hook....Manafort and Cohen sentencing docs....hopefully an indictment or two...

Pelosi wouldnt need to beat Trump in 2020.....1. She wouldnt run, and 2. Neither will Trump (hell be in prison or involved in such a legal mess he wont be able to.)

Hillary is NOT done. She has a few more innings in her yet. She’s a brilliant woman who knows how the system works.

[quote] Trump or Pence decide or are forced to leave office the absolute last person the Dems should turn to is Hillary to unite this country. She's done

Oh, fuck off BernieBro. She fucking WON.

Hillary could win 2020, because people believe that Putin / The Republican Party / Trump stole it from her in 2016 and work extra hard (by voting for her) to make it happen this time. I don't think anyone will sit back and go "Oh, I don't have to vote, she got it in the bag!".

Apparently Trump ran out of that church with his ass on fire yesterday. The news reports are that he spoke to no one and left so quickly once the service was over, that he was back in the White House before the hearse pulled away from the church. So with all the international guests like King Abdullah of Jordan, Angela Merkel, Prince Charles, John Major the former Prime Minister of the UK, and others, etc. he didn't even bother with the basic courtesy of a greeting. I haven't read anything, but since the family was at Blair House I wonder if people stopped by and visited with them there. The Clintons, Obamas, and others.

If Trump replaces Pence he will do it at the end of his first term. It will be done so that Pence finishes out the term and he chooses a new VP for his second term campaign. But The Senate leadership and the big donors will have a lot to say about who he chooses. At this point I don't see Trump running for a second term. I firmly believe he will have a health crisis. His relationship with the GOP leadership in the Sen ate is eroding, he lost the House and that sent a message to the GOP, and his relationship with Putin is eroding. All you have to do is study the body language and the dynamics.

And if Mattis and others are right and Putin did attempt to meddle in the 2018 elections, he sure fucked up the outcome because the House races and the increased vigilance, and voters who are more aware seemed to defeat Putin's efforts or at least point out flaws in the execution of Putin's plans. Apparently it is still easier to steal votes on a statewide basis but not so much in the Congressional district races. And the vigilance and the challenges are more aggressive statewide.

Putin found willing accomplices because the Republican party itself is so corrupt. But I can definitely see the climate changes in Trump World. I don't think the Mercers, Parscale or Bannon want to go to prison. But Mueller is definitely looking at them. Some may even be cooperating. Not Bannon because he's an arrogant fuck, but the Mercers maybe.

That arrogant fuck Bannon is the most likely to have flipped and to be secretly cooperating....most loudmouths are inherently cowards. Bannon is all talk. He would sell his first born to stay out of prison...as would Trump.

You said First born, right?

Dont worry Tiff, daddy doesnt even acknowledge you. Remember, daddy demanded a paternity test before he would marry your mother.

Bannon is a snake in the grass...everyone must know that. It is hard to believe anyone would trust Bannon.

[quote] Hillary is NOT done. She has a few more innings in her yet. She’s a brilliant woman who knows how the system works.

[quote] Oh, fuck off BernieBro. She fucking WON.

[quote] Hillary could win 2020, because people believe that Putin / The Republican Party / Trump stole it from her in 2016 and work extra hard (by voting for her) to make it happen this time. I don't think anyone will sit back and go "Oh, I don't have to vote, she got it in the bag!".

What is the definition of insanity again? Isn't it doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome?

[quote] What is the definition of insanity again?

Shouldn't you ask Trump that question?

Screw you, R203, she got 3 million more votes than Trump and won in a landslide 4 million votes more than Bernie. Honestly... just fuck off.

STFU, R203. Your analogy is a piece of shit and so, most likely, are you.

R203 = Bernie Sanders.

Hillary would be a wonderful leader. Currently the most capable person for the job, but America is sadly misguided. Women are still sitting at the back of the bus but hopefully one day it will be different .

Please god not Bernie Sanders and please not Elizabeth warren. #BETO2020

Trump says approval rating would be 75 percent without Mueller

Has the shit stain tweeted lately?

Trump is insane.

I am R203 and I voted, volunteered and donated to Hillary Clinton in 2008 till the end and in 2016 throughout the entire primary and election.

I love Hillary. She is extremely capable and would be a wonderful President, but that ship has sailed and if the 2020 election is billed as a rematch for 2016 that would be a very bad situation for the Democrats unless somehow the electoral college is reconfigured it wouldn't matter if Hillary gets 5 million more votes than Trump.

The Democrats need a new face.

R209, LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL omfG

This man is deluded BIGLY.

I agree with you, r213. We need someone young and charismatic.

Hey Lads and Lezzy lasses!! It's me the fantasy boy. And just cause it's a fantasy doesn't mean it won't come true. I have to admit I had a fantasy that Trump would go to the funeral and everyone would give him the cold shoulder Well that one came true. And I'll bet you Ivanka, just as her head hits the pillow at night, wonders "Who will raise my children if we all wind up in the slammer?"

Now it is a long shot that Pelosi becomes prezzy, but not impossible. And if she had to pick a VP -- wouldn't it be ultimate FU to Trumpland -- to pick HRC.

Will it happen -- naahhh. But sometimes you just have to put it out there, anonymously on a chat board even. Just to enjoy the idea. And think about all those world leaders looking forward as Trump walked by.

Curious if you think there's a point where Fox News admits that Trump (or his minions) committed a crime?

I watched for a moment last night and Tucker Carlson was calling the Mueller probe phony and unsuccessful.

Not until they get all the mileage out of Trump and/or the minions (but mostly Trump) being unfairly maligned.

Fantasy boy @ r215 - You are still a delusional idiot.

Fuck you, R218, it’s my fantasy too.

Even if Trump does claim "Health" Reasons in 2020, Mueller and the Dems have to bury him, his family, and all the treasonous Republicans so far under the ground, the bodies will never resurrect- not even on Judgement Day!

As always, people let Cheeto and Faux News define the narrative that the investigation is strictly about Trump himself. The investigation is into Russian meddling and the involvement of the Trump CAMPAIGN, and any matters arising from that. Any time Faux, the Repugs, Cheeto and his minions cry that he's investigated, there should've been direct rebuttal that anyone from the campaign is fair game.

But I say upfront they are fantasies. And that they will never come true.

Come with me and you'll be in a world of ...

You do not know that, R222. Hillary Clinton legally won the popular vote and if there was Russian direct hacking likely legally won the electoral vote as well. I reject your “no precedence” argument (no fucking shit, Sherlock). WE ARE IN UNCHARTED TERRITORY. Better legal minds than yours have stated the same. So fucking quit quashing.

***Just in CNN***

Trump announces top pick for new Attorney General worked for Bush 41.

I think no matter who Trump appoints as Attorney General, they’ll be between a rock and a hard place in telling Rosenstein to fire Mueller. The resulting tsunami would be epic.

It's way too late to fire Mueller.

R225

I completely agree with you.

Here’s a link showing William Barrel, the attorney general under George HW Bush, when they both were obviously better looking and healthier.

This prick Barr is already calling for further investigations into Hillary Clinton, specifically the uranium deal. Christ, God help us all.

[quote] R159: Simpson said that you can't contain hate because it erodes the bucket it's kept in.

The interesting thing is, why he would even be talking about “hate” in the first place? Normally, it would not be relevant to the death of a POTUS. It’s due to Trump, of course, but it went over Trump ‘s head, no doubt.

^^^^^^^

*William Barr

It was a secret shoutout to Bar?

[quote]Apparently Trump ran out of that church with his ass on fire yesterday.

Must have had Taco Bell.

Not sure if anyone posted this link yet but this is a really excellent analysis by attorney and author Seth Abramson absolutely worth reading.

From the article, "To me, from what I see as a legal professional -- not a medical professional -- Donald Trump is in fact someone who is pathological. He is apparently, to me, a malignant narcissist, a pathological liar and someone whose instincts are effectively criminal instincts. Donald Trump will always act for his own personal gain. Usually, it’s something venal, sometimes it's for women, but almost all the time it’s money. There’s actually no consideration whatsoever for the country or the well-being of anyone outside his immediate family. And sometimes I even question whether he cares about most of the people in his family.

That’s what scares me the most about Donald Trump. Donald Trump is a deeply broken, antisocial individual whose finger is daily on the nuclear button. That’s why this is a national emergency, not because I do not like this aspect or some other aspect of what he says on public policy.

I think the new Republican senators should always be referred to as "senators elected in a year in which Russia interfered with our elections."

R230. he was probably just hungry again.

Only 75%? He's selling himself short. If it weren't for Mueller, it would be 100%!

[quote]If he doesn't tweet it means he is in the process of wiping.

What is this wiping you speak of?

Senatrix Graham is turning against Trump now?

Hell hath no fury like a Senatrice outraged by a sexy killer with a towel on his head!

Wasn’t Senatrice rumored to be the next Attorney General? So sad!

Yes, Miss Lindsey. The man you support with your words, votes and indignation approves of a US journalist being sawed into pieces while MBS listened in.

YOUR man. YOUR leader. The head of YOUR party.

R209 is especially hilarious since his ratings were in the toilet before he had even heard of Robert Mueller.

Devin Nunes May Be The Next To Go Down Thanks To Mike Flynn

Mike Flynn told special counsel Robert Mueller everything, which includes the role of Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) in the Russia scandal

The Valley Voice, a community newspaper in Nunes’s district wrote in November 2017:

As reported by the Valley Voice in May, on January 18, Nunes attended a breakfast meeting with Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu at the invitation of disgraced former Trump National Security Advisor Michael Flynn, who was also present. Former White House Chief of Staff Reince Priebus may also have attended.

Nunes and Flynn were members of the Trump administration’s transition team at the time the meeting took place. Two days after the meeting, Flynn accepted his position as national security adviser to the President. By February 13, he had been fired for failing to disclose his paid work as a Turkish lobbyist.

Why doesn't the admin ever say a bad word about Flynn?

Ever?

I'd love to see Nunes ruined. Traitor.

Dump Truck is awfully quiet today. Is he scheming his next offensive move? Crying in the corner? Eating his Happy Meal(s)? Re-tailoring his suits?

R242 Yes, you'd expect something like this: "Weasel Mike Flynn sings like Songbird McCain to Witchunter Mueller in order to avoid jail. 19 meetings: Shame!"

But it hasn't happened . . .yet.

He has never trashed Flynn and he never will.

I would relish Nunes’ destruction just one shade less than Trump.

Supreme Court in oral arguments doesn't seem likely to change the law on double jeopardy.

Why not r246? It’s puzzling... Cohen sang, too, and Dump had no issue trashing him.

For you, R179. I will dance with [bold]unadulterated glee![/bold]

WTF?

if he trashed Flynn, then the former general would instantly release the reciepts.

It’s called check mate.

I guess I still am a little apprehensive r252. I mean, they all could release the receipts. But you’re probably right.

Barr is worrisome. He has all of the same opinions as Trump about the Clintons, Russia, and the powers of a president to pardon his way out of trouble.

Is he hoping to just sneak Barr in on some kind of lingering Bush ‘41 nostalgia factor?

Cheeto's revenge for having to sit through 41's memorial service and miss his "executive time" with Fox and Friends and McDonald's.

Don’t forget KFC, R256. And Diet Coke.

R255, I'm sure that's a factor. Any criticism of Barr's extremist views will be challenged by "But he was fine when Bush hired him!"

Yet ANOTHER reason the suppression of criticism over Bush has been so infuriating. There is a direct line from the old-school brand of GOP conservatism to Trumpism.

That’s fantastic news, R248. Let’s hope it stays in place.

A friendly reminder:

Mueller to file sentencing docs. on Manafuck and Cohen tomorrow.

🍿

Fox News portrays Flynn as a good man who was unjustly accused. Trump won't turn against Flynn until Sean Hannity tells him to.

As for Pence, Trump might have heard the speculation that Pence (or one of Pence's minions) was behind the op-ed letter to the NYT, talking about taking documents off the President's desk. Also, by now Pence must be having serious talks with the donors about the possibility of Pence running for President, so maybe one of Trump's wealthy friends gave him some gossip about Pence's maneuvers.

Pres Bone Spurs couldn't help himself yesterday. He tweets late at night about his "50% " approval rating as if THAT is something to be proud of. How sad that he thinks that is something to brag about. But to do it on the day of the funeral of a former President? He just can't STAND when he's not in the spotlight. Hell, he'll probably love it if Mueller indicts him. He'll go down in history!

r261....and thats the narrative Trump uses when talking about him. Wait until Flynns testimony becomes public or he testifies against Trump in an impeachment...there will only be one left standing....Flynn or Trump. If Flynn is charged in the crap with Turkey, Trump will use it to smear him...and so will the GOP. I suspect there will be a surprise witness at some point...a shocker ala Joan Collins on Dynasty....lol.

Hillary should have won because she would have been perfect but the truth is, he lowlife right wingers had damaged her too much...they had told too many lies and people hate women, so they believed those lies.

She should not run.

Joe should not run, I hope someone talks him out of it.

He has nowhere near a 50% approval rating!

I'm certain tRump had the chart upside down and his approval rating is actually 25%.

It was a Rassmussen poll so subtract 11 points and you get closer to the actual approval rating.

NYT: Trump's Bedminster club hired undocumented immigrants, two workers claim

While President Donald Trump has pushed hardline immigration policies and vilified undocumented immigrants, his private club in New Jersey has employed people who managers allegedly knew were in the country illegally, The New York Times reported Thursday.

The Times found two women who say they entered the United States unlawfully but were employed at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey.

r269....thats old news....Its like Trump screaming about special visas, yet hes continually asking for more....I think they gave him something like 83,000 already.

R270 Exactly. We all know this.

NRA needs to go DOWN!

I started reading "Documents unearthed by Mother", and paused to ask myself, when did Mother Pence become our secret weapon

Lol all the DL talk about "Mother" is effing my reading comprehension.

New Yorker Politics and More podcast today — Mueller's endgame. With Adam Davidson (Ezra Klein interviewed him a couple months ago, as mentioned here).

This thread will max out by 9am EST.

On what do you base your prediction, r276?

Shit is gonna drop tomorrow.

Just published

Big day tomorrow

Fox and Friends host to be UN ambassador.

Who needs to worry about the Russians stealing anything when the fucking repugs do it out in the open as blatantly as the fucking sun shining?

I guess the repugs got so tired and scared and felt they couldn't steal enough elections they had to get the Russians involved. Despicable party. Fucking treasonous and rotten to the fucking core.

Can you imagine what people think when these idiots go for other jobs in the future....they see XXXXXX for the Trump Administration, and the first thing anyone thinks is "How the fuck did you even get that job". So now some blonde bimbo from Fox gets to claim they were The US Ambassador for the Unoted Nations. Or that bitch from MarALago now gets to be Ambassador to Japan.....or the best, Calista Gingrich as the ambassador to THE VATICAN....there is no God.

What ever happened to the report that was suppose to come out regarding the New York branch of the F.B.I?aa

Hawley may have used public funds to run for the Senate in Missouri.

^^^They’re all corrupt as fuck!!!

I think we are witnessing the last gasp of air from the Republican Party.

I also hear a gasp coming from Wisconsin, in which the outgoing Pukes passed legislation to strip power from the incoming Dem Governor and AG. Outgoing scummer Scott Walker just signed the bill.

Dems are going to court! So be it.

Are the Michigan Democrats fighting back, too?

There no more staunch Republicans, I can tell you that!

r290 = Little Edie

They're trying to make us as corrupt and undemocratic as Russia.

Rachel just covered the North Carolina House race that's in the news. Shocking levels of corruption. The local federal district attorney knew about the cheating method used in that country two years ago and never prosecuted the felon who conducts the cheating. The GOP candidate's son is an attorney in the district attorney's office. Gross.

R292 Banana republic level of corruption. A total failure of checks and balances when a whole party becomes corrupt.

I nominate this for header image of next thread.

R289 Yes, Michigan Dems are also going to court. The fuckery in Michigan it is less severe than what’s going on in Wisconsin, but they’re going to fight.

They need to disqualify the republican candidate in NC, and jail every fucking one of them that had a hand in the election fraud.. They want a new election....fuck that, they cheated.

I agree r296, how he even still has a chance at this thing blows my mind. He CHEATED! WTF?

I hope the Democratic House refuses to seat him in January.

One thing that is disappointing to me—in Watergate, the Washington Post broke the biggest pieces of the story. In Russiagate, I feel like the media—while breaking some big stories—is following rather than leading. It shows me that big money really does own a large part of the media. We were lucky the Post reporters were allowed free rein to work, and the biggest parts of the story were revealed even before the presidential election. Law enforcement, Congress, and the rest of us had to catch up.

[quote]the absolute last person the Dems should turn to is Hillary to unite this country.

Yes because someone’s going to magically do THAT!

I don’t know about you guys but I’m exhausted with this shit. We have to keep our eyes peeled on the news in:

North Carolina - 9th district voter fraud (huge)

Wisconsin, and Michigan - outgoing repubs trying to strip away powers from our incoming Governor and Attorney General

R298 I SO fucking agree with you.

However, there ARE outliers where strong reporting is still happening. Mother Jones is one. Buzzfeed I can’t decide on but they HAVE broken big stories that MSM wouldn’t report on (the dossier? Fuck you Chuck Todd).

I think they’re out there, but you have to be a savvy consumer of news and CARE about reading a variety. You also have to be willing to do your research on news sources and admit when you’re wrong....like I despise what Greenwald did to Reality Winner so never again. All of this also requires time — a resource most Americans don’t have.

I saw a commercial for some app that’s supposed to help you sort your news, I don’t know. If I were a venture capitalist, I would absolutely be investing in apps that help people navigate news information.

We’re just going to get more heavily redacted documents tomorrow, aren’t we?

[quote]What ever happened to the report that was suppose to come out regarding the New York branch of the F.B.I?aa

Oh my god what’s happened to r284? She was asking that pertinent question and TPTB spotted her and they GOT HER — see how she screams aaaaaa at the end of her reply?

That Seth Abramson article in Salon is some fucking scary shit. I think it's the nightmare situation that our congressional assistant insider was referencing a while ago.

From the pearl-encrusted Twitter of Miss Jill Wine-Banks

God I hope so, r305.

[quote]Fox and Friends host to be UN ambassador.

Caligula, Incitatus

The White House legal staff despairs of formulating any response to Mueller's report when it comes out, mainly because they know Trump won't stick to any response they plan. Giuliani sounds almost like a realist here.

Did that bimbo at r307 blow viagra up his ass and roll around naked on Big Macs for that position?

R308 That's pretty much admitting GAME OVER! The Dotard is on his own! They will need armed guards to evict the Dotard off the WH premise!

***BREAKING***

Chief of Staff Kelly on way out.

"Not even on speaking terms with president."

Never a dull moment in Trumpy's White House, eh?

From the Jill Wine-Banks tweet at R305:

[quote] LBJ left VP vacant for 2 years after he became Pres after JFK assassinated.

Could someone who tweets tell Jill that LBJ had no choice but to leave the Vice Presidency unfilled after JFK's assassination. There was no constitutional mechanism for filling the office of VP of the US when that happened in 1963. The 25th Amendment -- which provides for how a president nominates and the Congress confirms a new VP -- was passed in response to the VP vacancy that Kennedy's death created.

Of course, this could just be a rerun of a prior episode of America's Biggest Fuckup

Someone had quite the night on their golden throne. Check out the last 13 hours or so of tweets.

I wish he'd have a stroke which not only renders him permanently mute, but also takes away his ability to tweet ever again.

Please God?

2 Days after the funeral of George H W Bush and this fucker is already back to calling Hillary "Crooked" again.

I hate him with the intensity of the heat of a million suns.

Malcolm Nance is exhorting Twitter users to report Trump for TOS violations. Would love it if they had the guts to do so.

Good idea, R318. Done!

Yup 318, done!

He is beyond repulsive! The "pResident" of the United States" tweeting such crap.

Well, his new Attorney General nominee, Barr, is going to re open an investigation of her e-mails, and a Judge has just ruled that the investigation of how Obama's State Department and DoJ handled their investigation (yes, an investigation of an investigation) will be re-opened in the coming weeks. All of this, designed to distract us and to fire up his base, and persecute a woman who had the nerve to run against him and call him out for his treason and his incompetence. She said he was unfit. She said his rabid supporters were Deplorable. Now he intends to crush her out of spite. As far as I'm concerned, he will have to come through more than 65 million of us to try it. That rotten piece of shit. The level of hate I feel for him is indescribably. No. Words.

If only.

She’s panicking! Donna, you in danger, girl!

R322 I don't think the Hillary thing is because she ran against him and called him out. I think it's an attempt to distract and gather support from the fucking idiotic Deplorables who are obsessed with Hillary.

From Jonathan Karl at ABC. I wonder if Kelly is already gone.

R326 I read somewhere else on DL that Kelly is off today, but I questioned it—why take the day off when Cohen and Manafort stuff is going down?

Looks like we and the entire world will get to witness what an exposed criminal, malignant narcissist does when they’re backed into a corner. Buckle up., fellow citizens. It’s going to get even more crazy.

Also today: Coffee Boy released from prison. Comey hearing expected to last the whole day.

It's gonna be a busy night!

You Deplorable assholes are so stupid? They have investigated Hillary' s emails a hundred times. She did nothing wrong. You idiots could investigate Dubya's million missing emails...you might find something there...like all of Cheney's thievery.

R330

I think the news services have built us up to let us down again...I don't expect much from today. I wish something important would happen.

Cheating GOP candidates make me sick (Mark Harris in North Carolina, House candidate).

If anyone cheats, they should automatically lose. If both cheat, they should select new candidates and hold a new election. Gross.

They're going to find out who the blocked number was (Don Jr.'s phone call immediately after the Russian Trump tower meeting). The House will subpoena it.

I believe the Manafort filings will confirm he is a fucking traitor, totally compromise by the Russians and Stone was his accomplice. If Trump is lucky he will get named as an unindicted co-conspirator on the Russia stuff and he will get charged with obstruction and money laundering.

r333....and yet, not one person has called for that....all they say is we want a new election....fuck that....and the idiots on tv just follow their narrative and dont challenge it.

The thing to remember is that Mueller has been very specific in his indictments, and I don't think he'd charge anyone with anything he could not prove. So whatever he says I believe in my bones he has documentation and hard proof.

r337....you dont need to believe it....you need to KNOW IT AS FACT.

Again, let's investigate Hillary for the 12th time because it HAS to be true! Meanwhile, same Deplorables want the Mueller investigation over, because despite all the evidence found so far... well, FAKE!

Trump is a mobster. No surprise in his behavior either before or after the election.

What is unforgivable to me is It is the fact that he was allowed to lie, stonewall and waste months of the country's time (and millions of dollars) while deplorables and the Senate did the shuck 'n jive and gave US citizens the finger.

I am enjoying watching old sunken cheeks' misery. His tweets this morning show that he KNOWS the shit is about to hit.

Don't ever let deplorables forget their part in this conspiracy to use foreign influence on our elections. They read the same news as the rest of the world, they saw the same reporting everyone else did, they knew what a vile creature he was. They're part of the con. Don't ever let deplorables and their children forget their part in this anti-American charade.

How many people have to serve time before the Idiots stop calling it a Witch Hunt?

And 71% of R's believe it is a witch hunt. These people are too fucking stupid to be believed. I was reading a Brexit article in the Times today about how much the EU supports Northern England and the people still thought Brexit was a good idea. In the end what they're really pissed about it austerity but they still need to blame immigrants! Fucking morons are so easily manipulated!

These people were Putty assets, known for over two and a half years. The denial of this by near half of the U.S. electorate, much of Congress, and a portion of the popular media, is more than alarming. Plus, the criminal greed that was allowed to carry-on is appauling.

Dump tweeted about the "boarder" (yes, that is how he spelled it!) a little while ago. His I.Q. is a lower number than his age. He is a complete MORON and anyone who supports him is one too.

Those are some damn ugly bastards at R163, and I should know.

Sean Hannity expressing views not to cooperate with the FBI sounds more like obstruction. Fox needs to account. Murdoch's ass needs to be hauled before the next Congress to answer.

I wish. we as citizens could sue for reopening the Hillary-Obama stuff. There’s your fucking witch hunt, and guess what? I don’t want to pay force yet ANOTHER investigation!!!! It is just so wrong on every level. What if this keeps going and they succeed in charging her??? I can’t live in a country that does this to innocent people. Is there NOTHING we can do as citizens on this particular issue? Again, my dream is a lawsuit, this damages my rights as a citizen on multiple levels. Fucking bullshit!!!

[quote]Dump tweeted about the "boarder"

Jesus, as if the huge bad stuff wasn't bad enough we also get reminders of this subhuman's confident illiteracy. It's the little things which also underline the vast ongoing disgrace.

I can't say how much I long for someone to stand up to this disgusting aberration and tell him to his face on camera what the world knows him to be.

No insults necessary: just words like illiterate, venal, corrupt, inadequate, vulgar, indecent, among so many others. All verifiable. I'll settle of course though for 'criminal.'

[quote]I think the news services have built us up to let us down again...I don't expect much from today. I wish something important would happen.

These trolls are becoming increasingly hilarious.

Tucker Carlson tiring of Trump?

In an interview with a Swiss newspaper, Tucker Carlson is more critical of Trump than usual

The Swiss are very suspicious of anybody who is boastful. That’s why I have a question about Trump…

…I hate that about him. I hate that… it’s not my culture. I didn’t grow up like that.

In your book you speak a lot about people who attack Trump, but you actually don’t say very much about Trump’s record. That’s true. Do you think he has kept his promises? Has he achieved his goals? No. He hasn’t? No. His chief promises were that he would build the wall, de-fund planned parenthood, and repeal Obamacare, and he hasn’t done any of those things. There are a lot of reasons for that, but since I finished writing the book, I’ve come to believe that Trump’s role is not as a conventional president who promises to get certain things achieved to the Congress and then does. I don’t think he’s capable. I don’t think he’s capable of sustained focus. I don’t think he understands the system. I don’t think the Congress is on his side. I don’t think his own agencies support him. He’s not going to do that.

"In an interview with a Swiss newspaper" is the operative phrase.

Tucker isn't tiring of him, he's playing both sides. If Trump goes down, he can brag that he "raised concerns" about him. If by chance Trump comes through this unscathed, Tucker was gentle enough in his criticism that he can still claim he was a supporter all along.

MEMBERS OF THE MEDIA...GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER...ITS NOT VOTER FRAUD...ITS ELECTION FRAUD AND THE GOP IS RESPONSIBLE.

Remember the anonymous NY Times op-ed?

I can't wait for the Manafort and Cohen filings. 1 of them is due by 5 PM the other by midnight so only possibly a few hours more until we have something. I just hope the 2 filings are much more damaging than Flynn's the other day and that the best parts aren't all redacted again. I want to see the assholes on Fox freaking out

In keeping with that, it's nearly 1:30 p.m. in D.C. Three-and-a-half-hours until the first bombshell.

Ughhh I’ll be sleeping peacefully in my igloo tonight and I’ll wake up and this thread will be maxed out and i’ll probably have missed more Maddow cleavage and all the fabulous news.

Seth Abramson's article, part 2... (part 1 posted upthread).

lol, Lapland lez! First world problems.

Maybe fat Donnie will be in prison when you wake up!

ElderLez, are you by chance in/near Kittila? Regardless, have a great time.

40 minute drive south of Ivalo airport R360 - thanks!

lol that's amazing we have someone posting from Lapland! welcome!

So Mueller is s brewing us again...gee thanks, Guy.

I'd love it if the judge who ruled that these Obama/Hillary investigations be reopened, were investigated himself. This is total war, not business as usual.

Nice try, R363.

Great article by Seth Abramson, above. Part 2. He doesn't think Donnie is going anywhere soon. Donnie is digging in his heels and that's what his lawyers are advising most likely. But the Mueller investigation (which will be studied for hundreds of years) will slowly plow through all of the cronies and family involvement.

I expected it honestly. Of course Trump wants to appoint a new AG who will go after Hillary and Obama administration members. This will give Fox and congressional repubs something to try and distract their base with while the real Russia probe continues to unfold.

This is why I don't understand why people like Nicole Wallace don't understand why repubs refuse to see the truth.If all you watch is Fox "News", you're not going to get the truth. You're going to get a distorted reality that continually defends and lies for repubs while making up fake scandals about Democrats. Then when nothing pans out as they say, they claim there's a deep state protecting liberals and targeting conservatives. It works very well with their sheep-like viewers. That's why they're so amped to come out and vote every 2 years because Fox keeps them angry and feeling like victims. It's sick but effective. They are convinced Trump and his minions are innocent good people and that Hillary/Obama/his officials are all corrupt criminals who should be in jail

I agree, R367, but I really feel that base of sheep is declining.

R368 there are more of us than them but the majority of them reliably show up to vote while a lot of us don't. Just an example-there are more registered Democrats in Florida than repubs...yet repubs keep on winning in that state. If more of the rest of us in key states like Florida, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan came out to vote in 2016, none of this would have happened. The momentum is obviously there for us in 2020 but we have to worry about the Russians hacking into our voter rolls and tallies again. Unless the House Democrats can somehow ensure we get legislation to beef up our system from hacking, I wouldn't rule out Putin doing something again. The disinformation campaign for the 2018 midterms didn't work for House votes so they'll go bigger in 2020

Rex Tillerson trashes Trump

[quote]I really feel that base of sheep is declining.

I really feel that base of sheep is devolving.

The Daily Mail has been reporting all day that Kelly isn't just leaving soon, he'll be gone by the end of today, replaced by Pence's chief of staff, Nick Ayers. Yeah, I know, the DM. But although it's famous for its mistakes of all kinds, they usually get the overall gist of a big story right and are often first. They say they have multiple sources. Guess we'll see.

If anyone thinks that whats going on in NC is an isolated incident, I have a bridge to sell.....The problem is that when election fraud is suspected, the GOP ignores it....see GA and FLA...... Note, the ones who scream about it the loudest without any actual proof are usually the offenders. They have now tied the operative in NC to the candidate, the GOP in NC, and even the sheriff and district AG.....and all anyone is doing is allowing them to act surprised it happened, and to act like it was a mistake and there should be a do-over. No actual accountability.

What happened in NC rises to a different level of depravity.

this may be a moot point but does anyone remember that when Manafort was initially given that plea deal, there was no gag order on it.

I seem to recall there was a lot if talk about that at the time. Papadop had his plea gagged and so does Flynn but Manafort didn't.

This makes me wonder. Or am I like creating fake news?

It's nearly 3 p.m. on the East Coast. Two hours until the first biggie.

Another terrible day for the markets. I know this hasn't affected job numbers or other indicators yet, but if this continues it will and hopefully Trump's base will decline then.

Isn't Nick Ayers the prime suspect for writing that anon "Trump insider" NYT column a few months ago?

Fwiw Marcy Wheeler doesn't believe Pence will be indicted, at least not due to Mueller's current investigations. She's been spot on about many things re all of this.

Trumps base doesn't own stock -- I mean have you seen his rallies???

I hate when stuff goes down to the wire like this... I like to get things done early. I was planning on taking a nap, but how can I when shit’s about to come down?

R380 - you can still take a nap.

Rex Tillerson was fired because he kept telling Trump that the things he wanted to do were illegal. That right there tells us EVERYTHING we need to know about Mike Pompeo.

Tell me again how Pompeo reacted to Khashoggi's murder?

Someone's not happy with Tillerson's interview.

I get cranky when I don’t get a nap.

Me too.

Is Nick Ayers going to deliver the death blow to Trump so his master, Mike Pence, become POTUS? Why on earth would Trump let some Pence lackey into his inner circle?

They own LIVEstock, r379!

Jesus Christ that tweet at r383. He really is going completely off the rails.

Can anybody please tell President Plump to act and behave PRESIDENTIALLY for a change?!?

Trump is attending the Army-Navy game tomorrow, isn’t he? I hope he’s humiliated there in some way.

Has anyone else noticed that many of the reporters on these various MSNBC and CNN panels can barely suppress their excitement, their glee at reporting yet more Trump findings? it's like they're watching some really exciting sports match and just waiting for the next play. I understand how they feel and I share the sense of expectation and excitement. But a part of me feels so sad and so angry. Trump will never get what I feel he deserves. Oh, he'll get punished in some way down the line. OF that I have no doubt. But what ever they do to him...it won't be nearly enough, IMO. When I think of the terrible harm he has done to us, to the world at large, to young children and families, he is a fucking monster.

Dana Bash continues to be enthralled with Rudy Giuliani. Incredibly weird.

Hi Elder Lez! I’ve been to Saariselkä. To a small town Texas boy like me, it was like being in another world. I’d love to go back.

I feel such solidarity with you about your DL habit. A couple of summers ago I remember trying to check in with DL from a lazy beach in Cadaques, Spain. No reception, of course. My partner glanced over to see what I was messing with, saw the DL header that wasn’t loading, and just shook his head. Thoroughly chastised, I didn’t check back in until we were back in Barcelona. And I felt like I’d missed so much! I don’t remember the specifics, but there was some big, political thing going on. Isn’t it messed up that that kind of political intensity been a constant for two years straight?

Back to the American shitshow, how the hell can deplorables accept that Trump appointed someone who was “as dumb as a rock” to be Sec. of fucking State? It’s one thing to appoint someone who just doesn’t quite work out, but someone who is described by the president who appointed him as mentally deficient and “lazy as hell?” What does that say about Trump for appointing him?

[quote]Has anyone else noticed that many of the reporters on these various MSNBC and CNN panels can barely suppress their excitement, their glee

I do know that on Maddow the other night Adam Schiff could barely suppress a shit-eating grin the whole time he was talking, which made me feel FANTASTIC, like things are truly going in the right direction

Ok... so it’s nervous time. What if Mueller doesn’t meet the deadline for Cohen’s memo? My feeling is that stuff is being negotiated and they’re down to the wire. My fear is that Dump and Whitaker are somehow impeding things.

R395 nonsense. Mueller is a professional, he will meet his deadline as all professionals always do.

R396 my question is what if he doesn’t?

Just came out.....

He did! CNN is announcing: "Government recommends 'substantial term of imprisonment' for Michael Cohen.

Filed!

As Natasha said..."oof!"

Thank God.

Not really, R402. I'm sure it was ready in time, but just reported on right now.

Wait this is SDNY's filing, not Mueller's right? These are different?

Okay they have both been filed -- here is the SDNY one:

And here is Mueller's filing --

Per Chuck Rosenberg, the SDNY one will be the driving force, rather than Mueller’s, for Cohen.

"Just to make it crystal clear, New York federal prosecutors concluded that the President of the United States committed a felony."

42 months eh? Flynn must have been pole dancing..

Fuck I hope that orange turd gets flushed! What he has done to our country is unforgivable and UNPARDONABLE!

At this point, it seems that Flynn will be the person who takes Trump down.

R408 Thank you for posting.

That’s the bottom line.

Trump committed a felony. Cohen is going to jail.

That’s all I need to know.

Cocktail time!

And Renatto Mariotti is yummy!

Just 1 felony? Gotta be more right?

When will he resign? And will Jared and Don Jr join him in jail?

So happy!

Felonious Trump!

But wait...there’s more!

Election irregularities uncovered in a second North Carolina county

R415.

Perfect. Go get ‘em NC. Here’s to Harris getting his ass kicked.

it's Felony Friday at long last!

Do the people of the Carolinas care that their elections are literally being stolen? I haven’t heard any outrage.

After all the reporting and speculating to the opposite, Cohen is NOT labeled a "cooperating witness" by either SDNY or SCO. He did give material assistance to Mueller, but they say in the report that Cohen continues to downplay the seriousness of his crimes, and that he basically did not answer questions he didn't absolutely have to.

And he requests no jail time? Ha. Now I really hope they throw what book they can at him. Still playing the weasel.

They also say he came to them (SCO) and lied and tried to "push a narrative".....thats the good part....exactly WHO was he pushing the narrative for ? That explains part of Trumps tweet storm.

Off-topic, but a Deplorable is going to jail for first degree murder. Not a great day for Right.

R418 “Do the people of the Carolinas care that their elections are literally being stolen? I haven’t heard any outrage.”

Do you have a television set? If so, turn it on! And NOT FOX.

R421

Excellent. This 21 year old alt-right loving shit stain is facing life in prison for killing Heather Heyer.

Remember....These charges are related to the payoff scandal. Wait until Muellers Russia charges come down...Youre going to see all these names again....Cohen, Manafort, Gates, Papadopolous, Flynn, along with Kushner, Jr, Ivanka, Prince, Bannon, etc....pay attention to these filings...theyre very specific relating to specific acts and that they dont directly relate to Russia and nothing in the filings mentions immunity from other charges.....the Russia case in all likelihood will be filed as a RICO case.

R423 Alt right his ass, he's fresh meat in prison!

And possible death penalty in the federal hate crime case.

What could the felony be that Mariotti's tweet refers to? Might that cover simply Trump's witness-tampering or obstructing justice, or does it have to refer to a more fundamental crime like conspiracy with Russia over the election?

Ugh watching Chuck Toad...well it appears "no collusion" Danielle "funky eyeglasses" Plateka or whatever her name is, is finally coming around to the whole collusion thingy. Although she stated their hasn't been any indication of Russia affecting policy. Which is utter BS.

r427...hes referring to the campaign violations....suppressing stories, paying off witnesses, etc....those are felonies. This is Cohens case in SDNY, and its secondary to Muellers case....thats why Mueller handed it off. If Trump is dirty at this level, how dirty was he with the Russia angle ?....look at whats been coming out lately.

This is all bullshit. Fuck Mueller and fuck him good...he is not indicting the grifting, criminal Trump nor Tramp's criminal children. As usual, this day was a complete bust. Trump could kill 100 thousand just like Bush/Cheney...nothing would be done. As you notice, we don't even have the right to see his tax returns.

Blow me, Boris.

Demoralizing troll at 430, at least try to be slightly coherent. Your misdirections are disappointing.

I don't give a FUCK what Nancy Pelosi says, the Democrats have to at least try to IMPEACH Trump.

If they don't, then they are being derelict in their duties.

Trump just tweeted that this all clears him and he thanks Mueller. Mueller has given him the right to think that. Mueller just lets Trump off scott free.

Nice try, R431.

R430, please see R25 et al, and then see yourself out.

The name Lapland always reminded me of the word labia for some reason. I guess that is why a lesbian landed there.

If they impeach Trump and the Senate doesn't convict, it helps Trump and the rest of these fucking criminals.

R434, that's not what Plump wrote. Fuck off, Trumpey troll.

What happens when I block R431?

Will R434 and R437 disappear as well?

R430

Calm the fuck down Mary, as it’s evident your howler monkey screeching is the result of your inability to comprehend the methods and procedures of Mueller’s investigation.

I’ll throw you a bone Boris; we will get to see Trumps taxes as soon as the Democrats take control of the house on January 3, 2019.

Will they even need to impeach at this point? He looks like he is about to stroke out or have a huge mental breakdown.

Not R431, but R430.

Sorry.

I literally LOLed at his tweet. How stupid can someone be??

R442

I know. That’s the delicious part of this investigation. Watching Trump oozing Big Macs

I love the responses he's getting.

I Love the sound of RICO in the mornings!

I meant to be coherent and if I am not, it is because Mueller disappoints me. A million words that seem to mean nothing. Maybe when our country has been turned into a fascist state, we can look back at a half done investigabeen?

Doesn't matter r438, the Democratic House really won't have any choice. Cohen is all but implicating Trump in some serious crimes during the campaign of 2016. And this could be just the tip of the iceberg. The Democrats can't be like the Republicans; their duty will compell them to at least attempt to impeach Trump, regardless of whether they can successfully convict and remove him in the Senate.

Read what's in some of these documents!

If you are not a troll, R448/430, you seem to be under some serious misapprehension that Mueller is done with his report and that nothing has resulted. All we've seen of his investigation so far is a few hints in indictments relating to peripheral matters.

Oh, the Trumpey troll is back at R448 ... how cute.

Why would anyone think this was finished? The good part is just getting started.

They can't let Trump skate on these possible charges ( if they prove to be true), they just can't.

[quote]Felonious Trump!

I just love his jazz records!

R430 / R448

Mueller disappoints you because you lack patience, and more critical, your inability to understand what the redactions in Mueller’s report mean.

TRANSLATION: There’s more to come!

Now STFU

Oh the Russian shit is hitting the fan soon!

Mueller won't indict. Trump may not face any charges no matter how egregious what he has done is, until he leaves office, and that could be another 2 to 6 years!

The Congress has to do something to hold him accountable in the meantime. Impeachment may be the only way.

This is December 2018...I need something more than hints. I need a few serious results. What do we have? We still have that moronic orange turd saying he has bed proved innocent.

So what's it going to take to soothe Fat Donnie this weekend? Will Melania and Ivanka have to tag-team it to suckle him round-the-clock with their fake silicone breasts? Will Donnie let Ivanka momentarily stop to change his diapers? I hope they stocked up because the FAT D is going to produce a tsunami sized shitstorm

I'm ready for the big shebang R424 but it will be well worth the wait.

It looks like the state prosecutors are going to be tougher than Mueller. Even if Mueller doesn't indict, can they? It's fun to read the responses to the Orange Turd's latest delusional tweet. He's reaching Norma Desmond level of delusion.

English is not our dear Trumpey troll's first language ...

Srsly, Trumpey troll, try harder. Your messages are getting tedious and far too easy to be detected as what they are.

Notice that the "Coherent" Troll already set up earlier his narrative of Mueller's vindication of Trump's innocence:

[Quote] I think the news services have built us up to let us down again...I don't expect much from today.

didn't RT recently state that fat Donnie hadn't delivered for them and was considered to be a "stone around our neck"?

Maybe pooty gonna give the dotard the boot as well.

Wouldn't that be fun!

DJT bitch slapping with Rex Tillerson is quite amusing.

Blocked 458. He’s the asshole kid we all know/ knew that would constantly say; but why? But why? But why? But why?

From the beginning, I knew Trump was a criminal who had been used by Putin. Trump is still in the White House.

President Obama told us all that everything would be OK...Obama is a good man, he thought others were good too, he did not count on the fact that Republicans are not good...not even one of them.

Congress *did* take care of that whole possible government shutdown thing, right?

Junior? I hardly know him.

"Synergy" IS the new "collusion"!

How many Repubs will announce their retirement this weekend?

R466, he's a Trump troll whose first language is not English. It's not my first language either but I've been studying his first language for a while and the syntactical structures used by him are a pretty good indication.

Based on how the GOP reacts to these documents, we will be able to tell for sure if they conspired in this whole mess. These documents basically say that the Russian coordination started in the Primary...which explains a lot. It also says Trump was dealing with the Russians in 2015, and he will claim it was about Trump Moscow, but the same people show up later offering election help. So Trump was behind it all along.

R466 is such a little girl, a frightened little girl who can not bare to have someone disagree with her...maybe she is just a teenager and she just needs to grow up?

R471, some surprise resignations would be just the ticket.

What was the "synergy" reference?

I feel like calm, measured, and brilliant Chuck Rosenberg would throw a mean, hard fuck. I would volunteer my ass. He does such good work piecing together and contextualizing these events in the Mueller probe.

Trump and Manafort’s blatant arrogance and flagrant lying will not end well for either of them.

R474 Добрый вечер, Рад тебя видеть! Извините, Я плохо говорю по-русски.

R468, they have funded the government for two weeks. No Border Wall money for Two Scoops.

r476....they coordinated their messaging and worked together.

syn·er·gy /ˈsinərjē/Submit noun the interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects. "the synergy between artist and record company" synonyms:tcooperative interaction, cooperation, combined effort, give and take "there's no synergy between the two, so no costs are saved"

“Synergy” = conspiracy (aka collusion).

Many of us knew that Trump was working for Putin since before the election...so we have been waiting months and months to get the criminal out of the White House. So this seems like an extremely weak stream.

r476....it was between Trump and the Russians.....to be clear.

synergy = RICO!

Trump's response: "totally cleared! Thank you!"

Really means: "totally fucked! Fuck you!"

R483, your tedious messages are making me ju- ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ...

r483....THESE ARE NOT MUELLERS CHARGES.....this is Cohens case from SDNY that was referred to SDNY by Mueller as a side case to Muellers Russia case.

Please don’t feed the animals.

R476, it's from one of the new court filings. In 2015, very early on, a Russian approached Cohen and told him that there could be "synergy" between Russia and the Trump campaign. I.e., "let's conspire!"

Have mercy on the deplorables. Don't you know how hard it is to keep up with goalposts moving this fast?

Wow, it’s raining news! Will any of it stick?

I want the crowd at the Army-Navy game tomorrow to chant “TRAITOR!” at Trump if he attends.

Miss Lindsey has been a busy beaver coping with all this in her tweets and Fox appearances.

so so far the Manafort filing is under seal...I'm hoping Mueller just did that so the news and public could digest the Cohen filing and he'll unseal Manafort's between 8 and 9 ? I mean I hope the Manafort filing doesn't stay sealed. I realize that there's probably a lot in there still going on and being investigated but we need to know

The Cohen stuff is good as Trump has finally been named as involved in ordering felonies but Manafort's would help us have an even better weekend

oh wait Manafort is unsealed now? damn nice

Fantasy boy was hoping for booing but chants of "Traitor" excite me. Will come up with more fantasies later after reading all the paper work today.

And remember, if you hate the fantasies -- ignore them!!

Oh and I have a fantasy Kelly leaves tonight without saying goodbye

omg check this thread lol Manafort is an arrogant dumb piece of shit who is forever fucked.

Obviously he's betting on a Trump pardon

anyone a lawyer here? So now that we have those filings on Manafort and Cohen what next? Obviously there are more people who should get indicted such as Don Jr and Jared but also the SDNY might go after Ivanka and Eric

and I'm wondering if the SDNY would go after Hannity...

It’s amusing that we still have posters who keep saying that the Mueller investigation will lead to nothing, when we have one bombshell after another.

To the serious posters who still have doubts; This is not a Judge Judy episode and the legal process plays out differently in the real world, especially when you have a criminal web that involves multiple players and countries.

To the trolls: Na zdorovje! I know you’re working long hours in your little cubicles. It will all be over soon for you guys.

R474 / R483 wants Gay Democrats to lose hope and be discouraged.

He even suggests rebelling. Pelosi, all that stuff.

The link at R501 also implicated Jared—in general, the transition team.

LOL at "Insider" Mike Allen this morning asserting that Mueller was pretty much wrapping it all up now. That's the Axios axiom.

In fact, the fun has only just begun. . .

I can't believe that Tillerson was fired in March 2018. It seems like it happened around Labor Day.

Good to see cutie Phil Mattingly reporting tonight. He’s been MIA lately.

Getting a little misty..... down there.

Trump declares Tillerson is dumb as rocks. One does not rise to become CEO of Exxon-Mobile for years while being dumb as rocks. Projection by Trump.

Also, Tillerson is a true multi-billionnaire. Trump is not in Tillerson's league of wealth.

Surely if Pence is indicted he'll do everything he can to protect Bone Spurs, right?????

Good call, R506. Phil Mattingly is HIGH on the list of anchors I'd like to be gay.

R509

Sharp, good looker, married, children.

I would tongue-bathe his body to orgasim.

r510, pocket sized.

Wee little man.

Just checked out Hannity for a minute.

He is spinning like a top trying to minimize the damage.

His headline banner: “NO COLLUSION”

WTF? So insane. I want to see the reaction from FOX, when Mueller removes all of the wiggle room for them to run in his investigation.

One thing’s FOR SURE; Paul Begala (CNN), is a raging repressed closet case. What a fucking drama queen! He’s married with children? What a bone killer.

r513, You're bashing Paul Begala when that harridan was on with him? That Trump loving, reality denying cunt? Really?

And Chris Cuomo is an asshole for playing the "both sides" bullshit all the time.

Sometimes there aren't two sides to every issue.

You know R514? You’re right. I hate that Miss Piggy cunt. It’s just that I don’t see her that often. I see Begala five days a week, and felt overly compelled to say something.

But yes, Miss Piggy is completely insulated in her impenetrable Republican bubble. She defiantly rejects facts and truth, and spins her bile like a cotton candy machine. Fuck her, and the rest of these Trumpsters. They’ll get theirs soon enough.

We have a Manchurian president.

That is a fact.

What now?

Wait happens now? We wait. And we watch. And we shall witness a reckoning. Every true patriot is waiting for this, after the last two years, my pain threshold has increased as has my tolerance, I am totally ready for this no matter how slo-mo it feels. I think it will still feel like slo-mo right up and until we are in the climax. Some evident, even small and unseen to the public, will be his tipping point. But once it hits that threshold where he’s a true unarguable danger the public, then I think it will fast forward maybe in literally 24 - 72 hours. Like he’ll just be gone whether by arrest resignation etc.

Well people like Giuliani and his own lawyers, real lawyers not celebrity types, ought to be trying to read him the facts of life and telling him to stop fighting this and start figuring out a way out of it. He has just been names as a felon. He committed two felonies so far that we know of. And it comes right from the Justice Department. Does he realize his power to grant pardons to anyone associated with any of this shit is slowly evaporating? All he wants to do is cast this as a political war instead of seeing that it is also very much a legal problem. Beginning on January 3rd 2019, he will not be able to shut Mueller down. If he does, the House will rehire him and he will give his report directly to Congress. He better take advantage of the holiday recess to figure out how he can get out of this mess and stop attacking Mueller.

R518 The problem is there is no legal way out. It's checkmate.

I think Kathy Griffin is great.. She is brave and strong, I hope she has a long happy life. I also wish Trump would spend the rest of his life in jail.

Hillary needs to run again.

^ This. Game Over he’s just too stupid to get it.

lmao the assholes on Fox saying "no collusion!" and again that it's a nothingburger. I cannot believe how fucking stupid their viewers are but they'll believe it. Even though Trump has now been named as ordering someone to commit a felony, they see it as no big deal. Even though we now have official confirmation from government lawyers that the Trump campaign was dealing and communicating with Russia as early as fall 2015, that's not collusion in Fox's eyes

I meant for r519

I'm kind of terrified, after hearing what a former FBI agent — I can't remember who — said on MSNBC the other night:

"One thing I learned is that you don't corner someone. Always leave a man a way out. Otherwise, they'll get desperate and do anything to fight their way out."

When that person has the nuclear codes and is facing accountability for the first time in his wealthy 72-year-old life, well...

today was a big step as Manafort and Cohen were so connected to Trump. We don't even know everything about Manafort as his second filing is still sealed.

We'll know we're near the end of the investigation when Don Jr and Jared are indicted. Mueller knows the shit will really hit the fan at that point as Trump will be crazier than ever

[quote]Trump declares Tillerson is dumb as rocks.

What does it say about Trump that he appointed Tillerson in the first place?

Prediction: Within the next 90 days Pelosi and McTurtle will have the sit down with Trump that gives him the Out. Resignation.

There's a distinct parallel—almost, dare I say, a synergy—between the Fox News babblers' insistence that each new indictment or sentencing memo clears trump, as if each document were the official final word, and our resident trolls' fake despair that Mueller's various documents show him doing nossink, nossink, as if ditto. Both desperate ploys to keep up from looking any further and expecting the next damning piece in the puzzle.

R315 - who the [bold]fuck[/bold] is the orange toddler thanking in his tweet (in which refers to himself in the third person)?

I wonder what kind of rage tweets we'll wake up to in the morning

or who in the WH is stopping Trump from ordering that Mueller be fired

Barron. John Barron here.

I want to sue Donald Trump for mental abuse.

wow anyone hear tonight from Tim O'Brien that Michael Cohen and Felix Sater went to high school together? crazy.

[quote]What does it say about Trump that he appointed Tillerson in the first place?

"I never appointed Tillerson. Who said I appointed Tillerson? FAKE NEWS!"

Has Trump’s friend Jim been reached for comment on all this yet?

There’s some pretty good tweets about Individual 1 right now. One is, “Individual 1 is doing a number two in his pants right now.”

The only easy way out is death... The funeral this week should be a clear message.

Jeanine Pirro should have a hilariously histrionic meltdown on her show tomorrow

and guess what? SNL is new tomorrow. They'll obviously do something on this

Trump is going to have a horrible weekend

Someone on twitter asked, “did someone tell him he’s Individual 1?”

Here’s the Reddit page about r/The_Mueller. Sonetimes they have good information or commentary.

People need to stop waiting for FOX News to wake up. It’s not going to happen.

FOX’s business model is the Republican Brand. If it goes, so does the network. Consequently when truths are evident, they dispute them. When facts are incontrovertible, they ignore them.

Even without Russia’s (err, Wendy Deng’s) help, Murdoch cannot afford to let anyone with money get to his network’s right. In this, he is like Deplorables. They keep nominating ever fringier primary candidates, who proceed (despite Gerrymandering) to decimate their hold on the House. Trump has made his business model nonsustainable.

But Murdoch and the party, like men drowning in debt, have decided to apply for yet more credit cards, because it’s temporarily easier than facing the looming bankruptcy.

But it’s coming.

So - any legal scholars on here please help me - A sitting President cannot be indicted, even if the crime he's guilty of - the crime that he put into motion to benefit from resulted in his getting the very seat that prevents him from paying for his crime? Is that right??

How does that make any sense? So had he lost - and this had been discovered - THEN he'd be indicted, tried and thrown in prison. Is that right?

Mueller will have to decide to indict Trump. The Supreme Court will then have to decide if indicting a sitting president is constitutional.

R451 - I had already blocked that trolling, barely literate, pathetic turd.

R544 A Supreme Court that should have two asterisks. Two judges that were appointed by a man who should have never been elected President. At the very least, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh should recuse themselves.

You think that's gonna happen?

He needs to be removed via impeachment. Then, there needs to be a formal decision made (via legislation? I don’t know) about indicting a sitting president. It’s absurd that a president could theoretically commit MURDER and not be indicted because the office protects him.

No one should be above the law in this country.

OR, Mueller could just fucking indict him and then we could dare the now-disgraced Supreme Court to decide that the president is above the law.

Can't we just Kill 'im??

I would love to see Trump testify on live TV in front of Congress. I want to see and hear what he has to say about ALL these allegations. I'd love watch his face as he tries to spin a web of lies and see the very moment that he realizes none of what he says makes any sense.

Trump's string of lies and deception amounts to nothing other than TREASON. Yes, TREASON.

So we'd better start looking at the Constitution about what we can do -- ON THAT LEVEL. NOt what we've done before based on such and such because Nixon's the closest that we can get. BUT what he did did not amount to treason. He committed a felony.

Trump's transgression, however, does constitute treason because he conspired with a hostile FOREIGN nation to win the Office. I keep trying to make this distinction, yet I hear posters say we should just wait it out, wait until his term is over and vote him out. Or, you can't indict a sitting President because it's unconstitutional.

Not that it matters but Tillerson’s net worth is about $300M.

Several friends who have always held that the Mueller investigation would never amount to anything - to Trump supporters - suddenly think this is a VERY big deal.

R528

And if Trump accepts a resignation, he’s fucked.

The Southern District of Manhattan Federal Court is dying to get their hands on him, as Trump already has charges pending against him.... And there is NO ONE that can save his sloppy ass. This is beautiful. Hallelujah!

I don’t think that Trump dying would be of benefit - he’ll just be turned into a martyr, with some other lowlife to fill his position. It would be great to see him held accountable and having to answer for all he has done.

His way out is to be allowed to flee to 🇷🇺.

R555 Putin ain't gonna foot the bill for a useless terrible enfant. He would rather just shoot the plan down.

That would make the Deplrorables lose their shit, that their furor goes into exile in Russia. It would be glorious.

I agree, R550. Not only did he conspire with a hostile foreign nation to win power, but from the moment he secured the nomination, he has been acting against the interests of the United States and he has instead acted in the interests of the hostile foreign power. There is actual concrete proof of this. I hope we can resolve this and finally one day hear audio conversations that confirm this out of his own mouth or from Moscow.

R357, one of my favorite classes in college was an anthropology seminar on the Sami people. The closest I've gotten to Lapland is Malmö, sadly. My mother's side of the family is from the Åland Islands.

Cadet Bone Spurs will be at the Army-Navy game today in Philadelphia.

Why try to ruin the atmosphere of what may be a very good college football game?

Just another terrible WITCH HUNT going on, started by TREASONOUS and VERY un-American Bob Mueller and supported by TOTALLY irrelevant FAKE NEWS MEDIA, trying to destroy my TREMENDOUS presidency. Sad! But apart from that, everything is fine. Believe me, it's true, EVERYTHING is fine. TOTALLY everything. Absolutely fantastic.

It’s hilarious that the Dissapointed-by-Mueller Troll has several posts now lined-out in this thread. And he hasn’t posted since getting trashed here.

How can Hannity's behavior not be viewed as obstructing? This Murdoch/Fox outfit needs to explain & account.

R562 he's back here.

R1 is me, btw.

Diamond & Silk are preparing a response for Fox streaming. That will show 'em.

Speaking of the flawless Miss Wine-Banks, did anyone notice her brooch on MSNBC last night? It was a DOMINO. As in they may all fall soon?

It's surprising that anyone would still want anything to do with this administration. There has to be a slew of resignations and exits in the days coming.

YES, the brooch was a domino with a 4 and 5 on it, representing the fall of 45. She’s the best!

Speaking of which, R567, is there any news on John Kelly's resignation and his replacement? Or for that matter the replacement for Sarah Sanders? Will Trump scrape the bottom of the barrel for those two spots, as he has with UN ambassador, just picking someone so inexperienced and untalented as to have no other prospects for advancement?

He's at it again this morning...

[quote]Donald J. Trump - Verified account - @realDonaldTrump - 24m24 minutes ago: AFTER TWO YEARS AND MILLIONS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS (and a cost of over $30,000,000), NO COLLUSION!

He's delusional, R570. I don't even see any supporters on his Twitter. I'm not sure if he reads the responses or not, and if he does, then we know how truly insane he is if he's still tweeting his nonsense.

I'd imagine he will go on the attack with Cohen. What else can he say. I think Cohen really pisses him off because he was part of Trump's crime family for more than a decade and he knows a lot, and this is the ultimate in disloyalty. More than Hillary and Barack, more than Mueller personally, Michael Cohen 's betrayal is like someone shoving a hot poker up his ass. Now Maybe Roger Stone would be just as incendiary, but Michael was family. He abused him and shit on him in the same way he has done to his sons in the past.

The Mueller reddit says people speculate the "synergy" contact may be Dmitry Klokov and point to this BuzzFeed article from the summer.

[quote]Amid intense scrutiny of contacts between Donald Trump's inner circle and representatives of Vladimir Putin, Ivanka Trump's name has barely come up. But during the campaign, she connected her father’s personal lawyer with a Russian athlete who offered to introduce Donald Trump to Putin to facilitate a 100-story Trump tower in Moscow, according to emails reviewed by BuzzFeed News and four sources with knowledge of the matter.

R573 let's hope for Treason of the Witch, sooner rather than later.

Here is a good read from last night about Mueller's investigation reaching the "worst case scenario" -- for the White House. This lays it out pretty clearly. The Dotard's claim that there is "no conclusion" is laughable and pathetic. Yes, yes there is. They keep trying to deny this in the face of mounting demonstrable evidence to the contrary.

NEWSFLASH, Cheatolini: we don't believe you. You're as guilty as hell.

I'd like to ice skate over Ivanka's body....

His tweet is so deranged and laughable. Trying to bitch about the cost of the investigation and that it "hasn't found anything..."

Meanwhile whistling to his deranged deplorables that he wants to open up yet ANOTHER investigation in to HRC.

And the sad thing is that this all makes perfect sense to Rethuglicans.

What happened with the Comey hearing yesterday?

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We're supposed to get transcripts of the Comey testimony today, no?

Is there a reason why Drumpf can say whatever he wants on his Twitter account, even if he character assassinates everyone he doesn't like, and writes things that are downright slanderous and nasty, not to mention untrue, and yet no one can sue him for defamation?

I believe so r580.

R581 because he gets away with everything. If anyone else did that, Twitter would shut the account down. They don't have the balls to do it. Rather, they're probably happy he's doing it because it means people have to use their platform.

If we are so unlucky that Trump survives till 2020 and runs for re-election, I want every Dem primary candidate and the eventual Dem nominee to refer to him as Individual-1. That is, until a better one comes out in Mueller's indictments.

I believe it was a twitter trend last night. It sticks well.

It would never happen, but I would love if the entire Army-Navy stadium started booing at Trump today.

R587 me too! Actually, who makes up the crowd? I know the cadets all go, but they can’t be more than a couple thousand. Are the rest family, or just from the Philadelphia area? If they’re from Philly, there’s a very good chance they’ll boo. Sarah Palin showed up at a Philadelphia Flyers game—with her kid, no less—and was loudly booed. Philly takes no prisoners when it comes to booing. Remember Santa Claus?

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r571 He reads them or he wouldn't bother tweeting. Good or bad he'll take any attention he can get. He isn't yelling at the reporters in his tweets, he is yelling at all the people that respond to his tweets.

I REALLY would love it if us activists here started a Twitter campaign that he’s violating their terms of service. Malcolm Nance started one for his violent rhetoric.

I am a little scared because he IS already cornered. But what else can Mueller do? It had to be his choice to resign and right now he isn’t willing to give up pardoning power. Wait until his kids get indicted. There MUST be a protocol the military is using for preventing him from using the nukes. Mattis has to confirm his order, my guess is that Mattis would not.

I do want to sue Trump too for mental distress and violating all our constitutional rights. Dallas solution???

Bajour!

Class Action Law Suit. Great idea.

It's impossible for Bone Spurs to read replies to his Tweets - he doesn't know how to read.

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