It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60)

Link to previous thread for reference.

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

When will it Be Mushroom Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/21/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

He is just so fat and disgusting looking. I cannot stand the sight and sound of him.

Finally to the SIXTIETH thread!

OVER 36,000 posts!

The finest that DL offers!

this should be compiled into a book complete with xrefrences to other linked articles.

Remove the troll posts and the inside jokes and this would be a great cultural commentary on the times.

Seriously. Some excellent cultural commentary from this era.

Some commenter on the Kyle Griffin Twitter post called Cadet Bone Spurs the following: Putin's Crown Prince.

Often seems to take 3 words to describe DJT.

[quote]Some commenter on the Kyle Griffin Twitter post called Cadet Bone Spurs the following: Putin's Crown Prince.

Putin's Putain.

Pres Bone Spurs is Putin's toilet paper.

R9, or Putin’s puta.

Consider the source and take it for what it's worth.

R13 January couldn't come soon enough.

R13 as much as I wish it were true, of course, I’m skeptical. The article also is from October 2017.

Holy shit r13, stay AWAY from that blog!!! The writer is koo-koo-vile!!!!! I’m serious, just turn around and walk swiftly away.

Why r16? Mensch is theatrical and ambitious, and tends to put whatever crosses her path in terms of rumor out there as 'journalistic fact'. But fact is, she's been right on many things, she had things up months before the MSM started really looking into them.

r17...ignore them....there are some seriously deranged Mensch haters her on DL.

Wait, people like Louise Mensch?

We don't "like" or dislike her, this isn't high school. We just don't discount everything she writes or says r19. She zeroed in on some key stuff very early on and stayed put on it, even with a lot of blowback.

That doesn't mean she's the second coming of Edward R. Murrow. It means she's no more or less reliable than most of the political commentator on soc media, or even in the MSM itself these days.

OP I see what you did there with the title! lol. Love it!

What has Mensch been right about?

[quote]What has Mensch been right about?

Russia and Trump. Next stupid question?

[quote]Next stupid question?

And what else? Keep going, cookie clearing troll.

Mensch did not break the Russia and Trump story. We knew before her article that Dotard was working with Putin, hence, "You're the puppet!"

The question was not if Mensch broke the Russia and Trump story. The question was was she right.

Answer: she was.

[quote]And what else? Keep going, cookie clearing troll.

That seems like a rather significant topic in and of itself, moron.

Sure, Louise.

What else?

You don't seem to have much of an answer.

Sure, Louise was right about Russia and Dotard... and so were hundreds of other people.

Exactly. And I love how defensive Louise is. I asked an earnest question and the cookie clearing troll gets bent out of shape. Classic.

I don't follow Louise, but from what's been said about her, she seems more often wrong than right. Malcolm Nance also seems to hate her.

One story I did find intriguing that she did, that I never heard of again, was her theory about Anthony Wiener being set up years ago. Her theory involved something about the teenage girl either not existing or being coached by someone else and that Hillary's emails were planted on his computer years ago through a virus, with the plan to ultimately do what they did.

That part about the emails being planted sounds like it could have happened. Huma swears she never used his computer for work and that makes sense. How many people use their spouses computers for work, especially when she would have had her own?

Mueller wouldn't be SAVAGE and indict anyone the week of Thanksgiving would he? I'd be very thankful if he did but I think he's too nice for that.

I was hoping he would be, R31.

The only reason I would think they might go forward with something this week is that they might think that Trump, Whitaker, and the other assholes will think that Mueller WON'T do something this week so they aren't paying attention and have all left town. You know Trump is probably already on his way to Mara Lago, Whitaker is ironing his Nazi uniform, McTurtle is going back to the pond, etc.

Any guesses on how the Senatrice will be spending her holiday?

Sauced and lubed.

R31, I’d expect new indictments to come down a week from this Monday or Tuesday. Just a guess based on the ask for 10 day extension before Manafort is sentenced.

Russia has been saving Tramp's ass for many years. When USA Banks refused to loan him money, the criminals in Russia would and did. Now Trump owes Putin everything and he is paying Putin back by destroying our country. It is a very simple scenario and a very true one. The real problem? Republicans in our legislature and in our courts are allowing it. Could it be because McConnell and Ryan are also as guilty as sin? I believe that is the answer. Who else is completely corrupt? Nunes, Jordan, Grassley and who else? Many repugs owe their off shore accounts to Putin.

R36, I'm hoping that was a feint on Mueller's part knowing that those ten days would include the holiday weekend so it wouldn't have mattered if he'd asked for a five day extension because that would have effectively been a ten day extension anyway. Why show your cards? Now they think shit will happen after Thanksgiving but he hits them on Tuesday instead!

Wishful thinking with fingers crossed.

The 10 day extension wasn't for Manafort's sentencing, it's an extension to the date the next status report is required.

You’re correct, R39. Completely wrong terminology on my part.

[quote]The malignant tumor baby in the WH is now calling Congressman Adam Schiff, Little Adam Schitt on Twitter.

New lows every day of course, but this puerile desperation is astounding. Though a fair warning of how much worse it'll get as Mueller encroaches so stealthily.

Words are pathetic and degrading, but it's actions which are more damaging. His lashing out will surely be deplorable and dangerous.

The Deplorables would declare Mueller some sort of Grinch for ruining some crooks' Thanksgiving holiday. And apparently Mueller does give a shit about decorum therefore I would be surprised if he sends out any indictments this year (with Christmas being around the corner as well) and maybe waits until the new term of the House starts.

I’m sorry, but I can sort of understand nothing happening immediately prior to elections. But now we have to delay movement due to Holidays? Really???

R42 I think it depends on whether the Trumpies dare to push the wrong button with Mueller. You know how stupid and clumsy these over-grown bullies (Trump and everyone left still working for him) are when they go about trying to "outsmart" or "sabotage" the works of grown-ups.

It's better to be pleasantly surprised than getting your hopes up and be disappointed.

I’ll wager Mueller is waiting for January when the new Congress is seated. He’ll have a measure of protection against the toddler’s inevitable retaliatory tantrum.

R46 And the Trumpers thinking this small window is when they could damage Mueller and his investigation might just do something foolish. Never underestimate their level of stupidity. They are cornered rats, after all.

That national security person that Melisandre fired . . . do you think it's because Orange mistook her for Ivanka and accidentally fucked her?

[quote]he malignant tumor baby in the WH is now calling Congressman Adam Schiff, Little Adam Schitt on Twitter.

General Michal Hayden responds:

Mr President, Did you actually intend to misspell the Congressman’s (soon to be Chairman’s) name. Might want to make a note. You will be seeing it soon on subpoenas.

R8 saw Putin's Clown Prince as a Twitter name.

R34 Just for you. What Lindsey declares he did in the past for Thanksgiving. Dated though (2015 it appears.

[quote]I have [R581]-[R585] on block.

Who the fuck cares.

I don’t understand prisspots who feel the need to announce the posters they put on their ignore pile as if their high and mighty approval mattered, especially when it’s so obvious they’re doing it to be able to click on the referred posts and actually read them.

[quote]Keep going, cookie clearing troll.

You people who pride yourselves on identifying cookie clearers, as if that had anything to do with the price of eggs, are bigger trolls than the objects of your lame attacks.

Lindsey Graham celebrates Thanksgiving with multiple cocks in his various holes.

Figured this would appropriate here -- from Bill Browder:

Russian tipped to take over Interpol in Kremlin victory. This is absolutely astonishing, but not without precedent. Nazi Germany took over Interpol in the 1930’s.

I read somewhere that all Trump has on his schedule today is to get a Christmas tree and have lunch. He literally does NOTHING. Who knew that if someone wanted it to be, the office of the President could be the easiest job in the U.S.

Does he even get a PDB anymore or has that also been chucked along with certain sections of the U.S. Constitution?

[quote]Does he even get a PDB anymore

If that is something new from McDonalds's then yes. If not, no.

Actually, I dont mind those that point out the cookie clearers because it points out the trolls and if you notice, the troll usually disappears for awhile.

Cookie clearing and trolling are not mutually exclusive.

And yet, R55, Trump just said his schedule is too busy to make time for visiting the troops.

No, they certainly aren't but the likelihood increases, especially in this thread.

I'll send a gift card to the first journalist who tells Sarah Side-o-Beef to stow any requests for "decorum" until she manages to get it from Trump.

I would love to see Sarah Side-O’-Beef (thanks, R61 - Love that) thrown into a fenced-in pit of manure naked and forced to sit there for a day while people come and heckle and throw things at her.

R61 You made my morning; thanks for the laugh!

I agree that Mueller is waiting until the new congress is seated, but it would be wonderful if new indictments are handed down right before the holiday. It would make dinner with deplorable relatives that much more delicious, wouldn't it?

r30....god youre tedious. Nance doesnt like Mensch because she called out his buddy as a fraud...and Nance and Joy Reid werent having it....however, Mensch was right....Jamali was/is listed as working for Mike Flynn and is listed on Flynns website as an advisor.....so someone isnt telling the truth. Guess which one troll ?

At least more bearable, R64. The silence would be better than dessert.

Well, January seems like a long ways in the future. I am ready to see them all in orange jumpsuits now.

Get help, R65. I didn't even say anything negative about Mensch.

R69 Con-away... the eternal bearer of alternative facts.

R13 here. Please note the comment I made when posting. lol

I'm on both sides and see no real point in debating Mensch. She IS certifiably crazy, and certainly unreliable, but yes, she has been right with some of her claims that seemed ridiculous by some at the time. This was an example.

I didn't mean for this thread to be hijacked. Sorry guys.

Here we are again today waiting for Mueller and all we have is silence. Month after month, waiting for justice from the Justice Department but we get silence.

Obviously Trump is terrified of Mueller, otherwise he would have set down with him months ago.

Not seasonal yet treasonal: Sara Danner Dukic's Twitter account occasionally presents threads of Trump-GOP associates (hackers, journalists, sudden and suspicious demises.

I provided a link to her most recent tweet, the fourth in her thread, her retweet "This isn't a joke. This is an op" is the start of the 'suspicious deaths' thread, starting with the deaths that happened shortly after DJT's firing of James Comey.

I'm surprised the cookie clearing troll hasn't yet responded with his inevitable: "I've been here for a DOZEN years and NEVER cleared my cookies ONCE!"

Also, the cookie clearing troll constantly defends the Concern Trolls: "They have a RIGHT to be worried!" and more drivel like that.

Luckily or through exposure, most of the Concern Trolls have disappeared since the elections. The Cookie Clearing Troll must worry where his komrades are!

Well Mueller will be gone as soon as Whitaker can get rid of him. Whitaker is a Nazi monster, just like Trump.

r72, waiting for Muller to make a move is like edging sex, it hurts so good...

R72 It sounds like you’re on the ledge, and ready to jump. I hear you. The wait is frustrating.

Bad things are going to happen to the Orange Menace. We must give Mueller all the time he needs to present his strongest case.

R71 I’m the first one who responded to your post telling you to avoid Mensch. I was buzzed lol. I feel exactly like you, it’s not like I won’t read her, I just get paranoid when she’s posted here that trolls are taking over. I see her the same way you do, I’m really the one who stirred the pot so it’s me apologizing.

Another example of institutions bending to Trump's whim:

It was announced today that there will be no comedian at next year's White House Correspondent's Dinner. Instead, "eminent presidential bigographer" Ron Chernow will be the featured speaker.

I hope Mueller and team deliver when they have all their ducks in a row regarding anyone.

Really, election periods, holidays, and other current events need not be barriers in proceeding timely. There is no perfect time in delivering profound decisions.

In the criminal justice system throughout the country, they don't ever seem to worry about upsetting one's holiday season by delivering indictments.

Mueller is making discrete movement but what he is truly doing is treading water till January 3rd.

The "mis" filing of the Assange indictment will keep chins wagging for a while.

Then a little something else like the Trump written responses.

Then a little something else.

Until everything changes on January 3rd.

This is good.

For the impatient....remember...both Watergate and Whitewater took YEARS.....so Mueller is already moving at lightning speed in comparison.

Congress is playing Chess

Mueller is playing Go

Trump is playing Tic Tac Toe

Trump is playing with his toes.

[quote]Also, the cookie clearing troll constantly defends the Concern Trolls: "They have a RIGHT to be worried!" and more drivel like that.

You should know a thing or two about drivel

....his hair.

The Orange Menace Troll at R78 is also a rabid Cookie Clearing Troll who specializes in trying to cause dissent among gay Democrats.

He's also the "Takin' It To The Streets!" Troll and the most rabid of the Nancy Pelosi Trolls.

Honestly, I am dying, for bad things to happen to Trump but unless he is setting in prison, he will keep reciting his ridiculous routine about witch hunts, Muellers Democratic love and how unfair the media and the courts are to him. I am really tired of the awful things that he says.

I am tired of the piece of filth in the White House and Mueller should be tired of it too. Trump hurts our country everyday that he is in office and it has gone on too long.

Those are all the same troll, R89? Wow. The Many Faces of Eve.

The anti-Pelosi one was rampantly posting here some time ago.

We should all pray to our ancestors that Trump gets throat cancer...stage four.

r90....thats the point....confuse, and deflect....if he says it often enough, people will believe it.....and his devoted followers do.

R90 there is a way to curtail and even remove DJT outside of what Mueller does.

It is called Congress. Unfortunately, it has been a part of the problem, not the resolution.

[quote]Trump just said his schedule is too busy to make time for visiting the troops.

Visiting Trump properties and golfing while "presidenting" is certainly a top priority for 45.

Visiting combat troops, respecting veterans, and making the VA efficient definitely aren't.

And he’s doing two more rallies in Mississippi soon.

How lovely for them! Mississippi deplorables have 'pee pee' built into the name and attend for only half the cost of the forgotten types in the Midwest.

Why even show interviews with him? He lies nonstop. If he says it, it is the exact opposite. Interviewing him is futile. I don't know why any journalist tries.

R96, he's going there to support the pro-lynching Senate candidate (she's in a run-off election), so he HAS to do two rallies. It's something he believes in.

Ebola?

Say it isn't so !

Lol r86

R37, Lindsay Graham

EMAILS!

Breaking: Ivanka busted for extensive using personal email account for government business.

WaPo report but linking to another source which is readable.

'Tis the Treason...

R86

Impossible. Trump hasn’t seen his toes, or his dick in years.

On MSNBC right now, they said that it was reported over a year ago that Ivanka, Jared and others have been using private emails since the transition, and the purpose of the article is to show a light on the fact that it hasnt stopped. WTF....this is the problem with the media....they report daily Trump going after HC about her email...even now...yet ignore this, when they knew of it over a year ago and should be harping on it EVERY FUCKING DAY to counter Trump and the deplorables. NOT ONE FUCKING WORD.....AND NOTHING ABOUT TRUMP AND HIS PERSONAL PHONE THATS MONITORED BY FOREIGN IC.

I know, r106. I still don't quite get that.

Why yall close Jacob Wohl thread

Could it be Mueller Rape accuser just admitted Wohl lied.....conservative DL'ers don't run now.

Cass is recanting her accusations against Mueller and admitting she don't know who raped her per WAPO......Wohl's world is slowly falling apart and he taking yall's dumb ass with him.....BYE

Here is my hope for the Donald.

The Wohl thread is still here:

An ongoing hit Ryan Murphy series about what happened and the investigation could educate everyone about what's going on. I can totally see it in my mind.

I can see one episode ending with the Russian "adoption" meeting concluding and Don Jr getting a call from a blocked number. Fade to black.

R112 It ends when the Fat Lady Trump sings! Don't Cry for Me, America!

The series would have to have a disclaimer that it's largely imagined.

Republicunts and Deplorables are already defending Ivanka saying she's not Hillary and therefore there's nothing to see!

Unlike Hillary, Ivanka isn't sending Classified emails!

And when it's pointed out to them that they have no idea what Ivanka is sending in her emails they screech about how Hillary is crooked and was SOS and therefore it's, "different."

I wonder how they'll spin this revelation if Miz Lindsey proceeds with trying to prosecute Hillary for something or other.

R114 That disclaimer belongs with everything coming out of Trump's big lying mouth.

R116 see R115.

And don't forget, they're conveniently overlooking the fact that Drumpf is still using an unsecured advice, isn't he?

R114

We are sure the disclaimer refers that you are a troll.

The post at R114 is really confusing considering that person's history.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Butter emails.

BUTTERY MALES

LOCK HER UP r121!!!

Jeffrey Toobin was discussing Ivanka on CNN. He thinks she won't really get into any legal trouble, he was just amazed at the hypocrisy and called her arrogant.

^^Here it is...

R120, what I meant was that, since we don't know exactly what happened, and since the show would be produced while the infestation is ongoing, the producers would have to protect themselves from lawsuits by saying it's all imagined — even though, when it comes to the worst shit, it's likely all true.

Sorry that I wasn't clear.

... while the *investigation is ongoing

[quote]He thinks she won't really get into any legal trouble, he was just amazed at the hypocrisy and called her arrogant.

Only now he's amazed at hypocrisy and arrogance?

Delicious bit of karma at last though that 'her emails' has been newly claimed, irrevocably, by Daddy's Special Girl.

Just waiting now for the tweets of desperate distraction.

Wouldn't it be something if Ivanka is getting investigated in relation to any intel Jared sold to the Saudi Prince who killed Khashoggi?

The conservatives couldn't pin any concrete bad outcome on Hillary handling her emails but with Jared and Ivanka I could totally see that as possibility. That could completely flip the switch on the conservatives' narrative, of how bad Hillary's email case was, and they may regret opening that can of worms in the first place.

r128 "Stupid and arrogant" runs in the Trump crime family.

Do we know for sure that none of her e-mails were classified. Didn't they go back and review some of Hillary's e-mails and then say they were classified? It was some ridiculous small number. And WTF did they think they would find in her e-mails? A plot to nuke Russia or something to undermine the US??

Kusher is up to his bloodsucking neck in the murder of Khashoggi. This is why they're dancing so hard.

[quote]Didn't they go back and review some of Hillary's e-mails and then say they were classified?

They retroactively deemed some of the information in her emails classified, but none of the emails were ever labeled Classified. I believe Comey himself also said that some of her emails, the way they were or were not classified (which is apparently a big problem in the Government), it was reasonable to understand that one wouldn't know information in them could be deemed Classified.

Hey, if they waste scads of loose change on forcing their beloved troops to spend Thanksgiving away from their home and families to promote their sick agenda of punishing people they've deprived of their children, homes and countries; then we can retry Hillary for the bazillionith time. Make it 13 hours this time!

If all this wait and not knowing is totally torturing the Orange Turd, I can certainly be patient until Jan 3, 2019. I want him to suffer.... before and after.

I truly believe it will take a decade to repair the damage he has done to the Presidency, this Nation and the delicate alliances we have in the world.

r138, not trying to be an asshole, but I think for at least five generations whenever the US is commenting on some foreign issue the rest of the world will probably go "Oh shut the fuck up! You assholes put that Trump in the White House! You have no leg to stand on to lecture other countries!". The US (government) has zero credibility outside the US because of Trump.

When did America become a superpower (or at least globally credible)? 1917? 1945? I bring that up because I firmly believe the last two years have rewound us back to that metric.

Post WWll I believe R140

This is more like what happened to Germany after WWII. Certain individuals, like scientists, were still listened to and admired, but no one listened to or respected the government for generations.

Even if they were doing something reasonable, no one looked to them for moral leadership until quite recently. A lot of that is due to Trump, since there was a leadership vacuum in the world with the U.S. abdicating their leadership position around the world.

You’re most certainly right..... But I’m 84 so I don’t look at anything past a decade.... and that is probably pushing it at my age... :)

I'm glad "but her emails" has come back to bite these assholes in the ass. We all knew it would and it is delicious whether anything comes of it concerning Ivanka. This family is so crime ridden and dirty they just skate by with everything. Mueller is picking off all those around them which is exactly what you do with a crime infested family like them.

R144

Yes, and let’s hope Mr. Mueller keeps picking until he reaches the rotten core of Trump.

Now Trump is saying he doesn’t give a shit about Khasoggi’s murder. Says he’s going to ignore the CIA report no matter what it says. CNN is freaking out.

Come on, Trump is all about profit and he thought that by using the hot button jobs, jobs...JOBS that he would be supported. It appears that deplorable don not like people being murdered as much as the rest of us. So, what does Trump do with all issues that do not go his way, he back burners them. Never to bee brought up again.

He is a POS.

Its not just Trump....its the entire GOP. Think back to any "scandal" and you will find it is nothing but projection of what theyre guilty of themselves....i.e the recent election..."its all a democratic conspiracy to rig the election" et al......Benghazi ?....they conveniently forget to add that THEY, THE GOP are the ones who defunded security at the embassies just months before.

How blatant is this Saudi stuff. Backing the murderer of a journalist — $$$. Gross. Hope Mueller unravels his ties with the Saudis.

Stock market is crashing. Wonder if anticipation of Mueller stuff is part of it.

Fucking absurd: Russia is soon to head Interpol.

[quote] Yet, just weeks later, Interpol appears poised to select as its next president a senior security official from Russia, which has been accused of manipulating the agency’s arrest warrants to harass its enemies.

American and European officials were lobbying behind the scenes to tip a vote on Wednesday away from the Russian candidate, Aleksandr V. Prokopchuk. The virulently anti-Russian Ukranian government went public, declaring that Mr. Prokopchuk’s candidacy was part of a Kremlin assault on the international order.

Someone was saying something about the Magitsky Act on CNN...sounds like Congress is going to try to do something.

Trump is going on and on about pardoning the two Thanksgiving turkeys, Peas and Carrots. The weird thing is he keeps bringing up the election being “fixed,” subpoenas, and the election results not being changed, all while discussing the turkeys. Like, the turkey that lost the “election” is going to get a subpoena or something. Very weird.

Excellent Trumpcast this week.

People need to start listening to the Ukraine!

They know all thus shit bag's tricks and they are the canary in the coal mine. Wake the Fuck up and pay attention!

[quote]People need to start listening to the Ukraine!

I would never have expected those particular words in that particular order to be true.

Putin is about to gain control of the world’s main law enforcement organization

On Sunday, delegates of the general assembly of Interpol — the International Criminal Police Organization, the coordinating body for law enforcement from 192 countries — met in Dubai for their 87th annual session. The most important agenda item will come on the final day: on Wednesday, delegates will elect the organization’s new president to replace Meng Hongwei, who went missing in China in October. (The Chinese authorities later announced that Meng had been arrested on “corruption charges,” and sent what was purported to be his resignation letter to the agency’s headquarters in Lyon, France.)

The leading candidate to become the next president of Interpol is Alexander Prokopchuk, a police general in the Russian Interior Ministry who has for the past seven years headed Interpol’s Russian bureau. Prokopchuk’s candidacy was kept under wraps until the last moment — and, presumably, until the Kremlin was confident of securing enough votes. The British government has determined that Prokopchuk’s victory is assured to the extent that “there is no point in trying to stop him.” A British human rights group, Fair Trials, wrote to the Interpol secretariat strongly protesting the nomination and noting that “it would not be appropriate for a country with a record of violations of Interpol’s rules (for example by frequently seeking to use its systems to disseminate politically motivated alerts) to be given a leadership role in a key oversight institution.”

“Politically motivated alerts” have been a favorite Kremlin tactic, used to legitimize its prosecution of political opponents and make their lives more difficult by limiting their movements. Despite the explicit ban in Interpol’s constitution on “any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character,” the organization happily accepted Moscow’s requests to issue “red notices” — in effect, international arrest warrants — against prominent Kremlin opponents.

Among those targeted were Vladimir Gusinsky, the former owner of Russia’s leading independent media group; Leonid Nevzlin, vice president of Yukos Oil, who was indicted as part of the Kremlin’s campaign against the company; Eerik-Niiles Kross, an Estonian politician who has long been a thorn in the Kremlin’s side; Boris Berezovsky, once Russia’s most influential “oligarch,” who helped bring Vladimir Putin to power and later became his sworn opponent; Akhmed Zakayev, Chechen prime minister in exile; and Nikita Kulachenkov, an activist at Alexei Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Foundation. It took much time and effort to persuade Interpol to withdraw the warrants because of their political motivation.

Among the most recent targets of Kremlin-inspired “red notices” was Bill Browder, a U.S.-born financier who has spearheaded the international campaign for targeted sanctions on corrupt officials and human rights abusers in the Russian government. Sentenced in absentia to a prison term in Russia, Browder was most recently arrested in Spain on an Interpol warrant in May of this year. (He was quickly released.) He is unable to visit several countries because of the ongoing legal risks.

With a Putin-appointed police general at the helm, the Kremlin would no longer need to abuse Interpol to pursue its goals; it would be able to place the organization at its service. One should look no further than the federal wanted list from Russia’s Interior Ministry, which includes the likes of longtime Kremlin opponent Mikhail Khodorkovsky and the Crimean Tatar leader and Ukrainian lawmaker Mustafa Dzhemilev, to guess what names could be singled out for future “red notices.” (Disclaimer: Khodorkovsky is the founder of the Open Russia movement, of which I serve as vice chairman.) Americans who helped the passage of the Magnitsky Act — and whose questioning Putin demanded from President Trump in Helsinki — are likely candidates as well.

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But the misuse of the “red notice” system would be the least of the problems should Prokopchuk accede to Interpol’s presidency. The main purpose of the organization is information-sharing and mutual assistance among national police forces. One can imagine what the Kremlin could do with access to sensitive databases around the world. For one thing, there could be many more inconspicuous Russian tourists visiting foreign countries on brand-new passports to admire ancient gothic cathedrals.

Unlike other international organizations, Interpol does not list its former presidents on its official website. There is good reason for this. Between 1940 and 1945, the organization — then known as the International Criminal Police Commission — was led, successively, by three Nazi war criminals: SS General Reinhard Heydrich, the chief architect of the Holocaust; SS General Arthur Nebe, who, as the head of Einsatzgruppe B was responsible for murdering tens of thousands of Jews in Poland and Belarus; and SS General Ernst Kaltenbrunner, founder of the Mauthausen concentration camp and one of the main instigators of the Holocaust, who was hanged at Nuremberg for crimes against humanity. It is a page in its history the International Criminal Police Organization would rather forget. Putin’s regime is no Third Reich — but its actions at home and abroad are a travesty to very concept of the rule of law. One day, Interpol will no doubt also want to forget the page it is about to open on Wednesday.

R150

I’m not sure if Mueller’s investigation is having an effect on market sentiment.

I just read a synopsis of why the market has tanked to the point of eliminating all of the 2018 gains in the DOW, S&P, and NASDAQ indices.

5 biggest tech stocks down Apple, Amazon Facebook, Netflix, Google (All down 20% this year)

Lower projected future growth/ gdp

Rising interest rates

Trumps tariffs with China

Investors not buying stocks “on the dip”

Ugly.... But hang in there, don’t sell into the panic, buy more if you can afford to.

The trade war with China had been horrible.

[quote]The trade war with China had been horrible.

It's over?

Typo. *has

Has tRump blamed Obama for the crashing stock market yet?

This Interpol thing is really weird. How the hell did the Russians get enough votes? If they've bribed that many people, then the whole organisation is clearly corrupted and not fit for purpose.

[quote]his Interpol thing is really weird. How the hell did the Russians get enough votes?

How the hell did spectacularly corrupt China get enough votes for the last head of Interpol? Something is very rotten there.

R158 yes, and thank you--it is the tariffs, rising interest rates and the efficacy of the corporate tax rates petering out, as they ALWAYS do when the GOP "trickles down" on citizens.

I'll never understand how people elect Republicans and then cry when the corporate tax cut is over and there is nothing left. Republicans ALWAYS have a short, hot run up in the market, to be followed by worse-than-necessary bear markets. Once again, corporations have taken their obscene $$ and, once again, they are NOT using those funds to lift conditions for the middle and lower-economic citizens.

Democrats take a lot of shit, but at least they understand that a healthy, growing middle class is essential for the country. They also get that near 100% of any money given to poor people by way of assistance makes its way back into the economy--it is spent, not hoarded. I'll take slower, stronger, more broad-based growth any day, especially when it lifts all citizens.

The market held on pretty well through the elections; I'm glad voters rejected Trump period--not because they were financially terrified.

Hmmm.

Worth a read

Since Dump wrote the answers himself, any guesses of his errors in grammar, spelling, and facts?

Dump didn't write the answers himself. He lies every time he opens his mouth; he was definitely lying about that.

How many typos and errors can you make when you answer each question with "Fuck You! I'm POTUS! I don't have to answer to you!".

It's not like Mueller is going to leak Trump's answers to the public anyway.

That thread linked at R167 is essential reading. Apart from anything else, it explains why Mueller's investigation is taking so long - it's not JUST about Trump and Russia. Trump and his crime family's criminal activities are massive and widespread. There is just SO MUCH crime, and SO MANY criminals for Mueller to investigate and catalogue and take action against. And it's now clear that Trump and Jared, and probably Don Jr., are accessories to murder. They should all get life in prison at the very minimum.

Link is to the Thread Reader app unroll of the thread for those who find that easier to read than Twitter.

In truth, r171, I doubt Dump would have MULTIOLE errors in spelling and punctuation even in that reply.

[quote]How many typos and errors can you make when you answer each question with "Fuck You! I'm POTUS! I don't have to answer to you!".

"What-EVAH! What-EVAH!"

The problem is who is NOT involved in that criminal enterprise? I mean that news about Russia taking over Interpol (and British Intelligence supporting that move) really does scare me.

At this point Trump is just a small piece in a world conspiracy to fuck the entire world up for good.

Destroy the U.S.-Russia link first. It's not necessarily the largest player or most vital part of the conspiracy, but it will likely knock a few dominos.

Trump ordered the DOJ to prosecute Hillary and Comey last year. McGahann blocked it. NYT reporting, MSNBC exploding over it.

I'm sure Mueller's office has a pool going to see who can guess the number of spelling errors contained in tRump's responses.

I’m sure they also have a pool for the total number of crimes Trump has committed when this is all over.

Bad time for Anderson to take off.

OMG...I think Maddow just made a connection that could turn out to be HUGE. Mueller is involved in a sealed case in court....the judge recused himself and was a Trump pick who testified to Congress that he would recuse if any Trump Russia issues came before him. Well....Trump turned in his written answers to Mueller today...and at that time, Mueller files a document containing 3,078 words. Coincidence ?....or did Mueller straight up subpoena Trump and Trump has been fighting it....eventually agreeing to submit written responses instead of testifying in front of the Grand Jury. Thats why its all under seal...neither side wants the media attention to this particular matter.

r181 see r166.

The NYT article points out that "it is unclear which accusations Mr. Trump wanted prosecutors to pursue." Cultural appropriation for carrying hot sauce in her purse? Selling cookies made from babies? Being one of them mouthy women-libbers?

R183 Deleting emails!

R183 not cowering when he stalked her on stage like a psychopath.

The GOP really fell in love with the idea of oligarchs and a president plundering his own country.

There was something very about W, when he was president, saying 'things would be a lot easier if America wasn't a democracy'.

Esp since they know they can't win an election anymore, unless they cheat. This is the last hurrah of a dying party of old nasty white men.

*something very eery about W,

Mueller didn't have to ask Trump for shit as he has the goods on Trump six ways to Sunday. Corroborated, fact checked and documented. All the sturm und drung about sitting for an interview under oath or submitting answers sunder oath are one big Trumpian diversion. Totally unnecessary.

What this did is bide time for Mueller to get to January 3rd and the House Judiciary Committee to subpoena Whitaker.

For starters...

R175, British Intelligence are NOT supporting the Russian takeover of Interpol. Where the fuck did you get that idea?

Russia isn't taking over Interpol.

Update: Interpol dodged the bullet.

Suck it, Vlad!

Sorry, apparently R190 and I were on the BBC website at the same time.

Thank the gods the ruskies didn't get their filthy mitts on Interpol.

If you haven't yet read the thread at R167 [and the compilation at R182 -- thank you], then you should. Chilling. And very frightening.

You can easily see why tRump is so anxious to get rid of the Mueller investigation.

The Seth A tweet is insane. Really fucking insane. Our president and family are accessories to mercenary killings but I guess we shouldn't be surprised should we?

R195 Insane but yet so plausible! That's the scary part.

Add me to the list regarding Seth A. as required reading for devotees of these threads!! At the very least, read the first NYT article detailing the alliance of Israel and the Arabs to get Trump elected. Russia was already doing their part to ensure that Trump would lift sanctions and stream trillions into their coffers. It is complicated but after reading it, ALL of it begins to make sense. All of the White House policy decisions make total sense when viewed through the prism of the power and money deals struck between massively corrupt parties.

I will also add that even if trump wanted to denounce MBS for the sake of optics, there is no way in hell he could. MBS has him ( and Jared) totally over a barrel. Support my fascist regime or I drop the bomb on all our meetings that will bring your White House cabal to it's knees.

R128, the CNN clip angers me for failing to emphasize the following:

When Hillary Clinton set-up her own email server, she was following the precedence set by her predecessor, Colin Powel, and it was allowed by law. The classified emails involved were all classified retroactively, meaning that they were not classified as such when Hillary exchanged them.

In Ivanka’s case, she acted after it was made illegal, and after Trump and the Right wing obsessed about it for a couple years. If she didn’t know it was illegal, she is too stupid to have a security clearance. We have yet to see if any of the related messages are classified, retroactively or otherwise.

Meanwhile, Trump is still using his unsecured device, isn’t he?

I do hope, that when the miniseries is produced, that they spend the moola to do it right. There is so much in just two years that needs to be exposed. The biggest problem for a screenwriter will be having to throw-out some otherwise outlandish crimes, because they pale in comparison to the worst offenses.

I just sent the Seth A. twitter thread to a friend of mine who works for one of the incoming House chairs (of a relevant committee). I have a feeling that he will be passing that information on to other folks in his office.

Great work, R200! And thank you. God, I love these threads.

R199, I can't decide if the Trump saga would be effective as a comedy of outrage (perhaps by Adam McKay) or a limited series dripping with excess (perhaps by Ryan Murphy). Actually, I'll bet Scorsese could do it justice.

SURPRISE !

It would make a great snuff film r202.

W&W for R204

R203, is that for real? I can't read Twitter well from my iPad.

R203 Trump caught projecting once again. Whenever he accuses somebody of a crime, investigation should immediately start to find out when Trump, himself, committed that very crime.

Shame on the media for selling Trump's lies to the masses.

Hope Donny is wearing his Depends when he hears this: The House intelligence committee’s incoming Democratic majority is looking to hire money-laundering and forensic accounting experts.

you all know that Seth has put most of his twitter stuff in a book, right?

It's calked "Proof of collusion" and you can find the index on line to see how much he has covered in the book.

Is that really necessary at this point r209? Glad you posted that but I should hope that Mueller is also on top of that connection. I guess, like many, maybe we are putting too much hope and emphasis on the Mueller investigation alone.

I definitely think we need multi-pronged investigations. We don't know for certain what Mueller is looking at, his team doesn't leak so all we have is guesswork and supposition. I am assuming nothing when it comes to his report.

[quote] Is that really necessary at this point [R209]?

It makes for good optics that the House is going to take action that will be seen as a step in the right direction.

Absolutely the House should look into Trump's many crimes, as well as the Mueller investigation doing so. The more heat the better. Very happy to see that Mr. Schiff is on it.

In other news, Papawhatshisface has not been behaving and Mueller is not pleased...

r206.....

Justice Roberts has just issued a rare statement admonishing Trump for calling the Ninth Circuit “Obama judges.”

Do you think that’s just about judges, or is he warming Trump not to count on him for help? He sounded fed up.

I wonder what the QAnon crazies are making out of the news that Trump wanted to order the DOJ to go after Hillary and Clinton. I’d say that sort blows a hole in their theory, but then their theory isn’t exactly built on logic to begin with.

Few things would warm my heart than Chief Justice Roberts emerging as an elder statesman of sanity.

[quote]Is that really necessary at this point [R209]?

Every single logical factual forensic and intelligent force which can be brought against Trump is not only necessary but crucial.

The final effect should be like a prosecutorial open fire on Trump metaphorically like the end of 'Bonnie and Clyde.'

[quote] What should be apparent to anyone following the Russia investigation is that there is, in addition to everything known about Trump already, some X factor, something that is known to members of the intelligence community but has yet to be revealed to the public. John Brennan, the former CIA director, has referred to X repeatedly, tweeting about what might happen when “the full extent” of Trump's wrongdoing “becomes known” and hinting at times that in 2016 he possessed information about contacts between the Trump campaign and the Russians, which he passed on to the FBI. As far as those on the outside can tell, X originated in intelligence gathered by Britain and perhaps some other foreign countries. It has passed from Brennan to Comey to Mueller. Senator Warner, who told me he knows “Mueller a bit but not well,” reportedly joked at a dinner in June that “if you think you've seen wild stuff so far, buckle up.” At the end of Mueller's investigation, the fight will commence in Congress over the size and significance of X and whether to terminate this presidency early or allow it to hobble its way to the finish line. All Mueller can do is unearth the X and bring it to light. He can arm the country with facts for these coming battles. But he cannot fight them for us.

What could the “X” be?

X =Donald is a member of the KGB?

X? I think it's dirty $ and lots of it. The only thing near and dear to President Scrooge's tiny heart.

I'm having dinner tonight with my former colleague (I'm former congressional intern) so I'll let you know if I hear anything juicy.

We’ll be waiting, r225!

R225

Thank you... Oh, please do! We’ll need a good fix to get us through until Monday.

An former prosecutor pundit on MSNBC was speculating just now that the Roger Stone indictment was being held back to get Trump's testimony ("written answers") first, so that Cheeto can't tailor his answers to information that's gonna be unveiled in the possible Stone indictment.

Here's hoping Stone's indictment will drop soon.

Pres Bone Spurs is really going unhinged now. He is whining and crying over how the Ninth circuit is unfair, the judges are unfair, he can't win there, they are all "Obama judges", we need to "take a look at it" and all around not understanding basic ways our system works.

What was unfair, asswipe, is the whole Merrick Garland bullshit. What was unfair is the BK bullshit.

But he isn't coming up with his on his own. Make no mistake, the conservative apparatus around him is filling his head with this BS and they need to be called out for it. This is bigger than just him. The entire conservative movement has been hijacked by far alt right white nationalists.

I hope he keeps pissing off John Roberts. Trump has no idea that he needs a majority to win at the Supreme Court and Roberts is part of that majority.

X = human trafficking?

r199, Miniseriies? Who makes miniseries anymore? Besides (assuming we survive) this story is way too BIG for TV; we will need at least a movie series on the scale of Lord of the Rings to do this story justice.

Ok, maybe I'm kidding; and then again, maybe I'm not.

I wouldn't bet on JR ever changing his extreme conservative ways. He will not be a vote for us except on rare occasions.

X = proof positive that Trump has raped multiple women in the past and it has been covered up for years.

Just a guess, but I wonder how many, if any deplorables would turn on Trump if that turned out be it?

Kellyanne Conjob can't smile like a person. The image at R69 shows her typical expression: baring all her teeth in rictus, or a snarl.

X = proof of literal computer vote-changing in Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin in 2016 General Election. By the Russians with Trump’s full knowledge.

R234 Of course not. They would blame the women for the rapes!

X is money laundering for the Russians. There isn’t a person in NYC business and real estate circles who hasn’t been saying for years that Trump was in bed with the Russian mob. This was common knowledge for ages. No one wanted it investigated lest their own skeletons got unearthed in the process.

R235 Is it me or does Kellyanne Conjob look like Dennis Leary in drag?

Well, now I can't unsee it, R239. Thanks!

Another vote for "X" being trafficking, child trafficking specifically.

That's gonna be fun to watch the evangelicals try to justify. I mean the old testament pretty much justifies child slavery, but still.

[quote]NBC News noted that DHS officials said Monday that their intelligence led them to believe that migrants were planning to rush the border at the San Ysidro Port of Entry, which is near San Diego. That prompted Customs and Border Control to close traffic lanes near that port of entry on Monday, but the influx of migrants never occurred.

It would be hilarious if the migrants are trolling the administration.

X = Is the pee-pee tape

R242 This xenophobic administration is trolling itself... more like. It's afraid of its shadow because it's not white.

Whitaker really is some kind of Nazi,..and we just accept it. Our Democracy is over. Our complaints have no teeth.

X = treason. Straight up treason.

Remember, didn't the ruskies come out and say they hacked 2016 as an act of war?

If this is war, what these criminals are doing is nothing short of treason.

I hope to never see Kellyanne again. The last time I saw her she was on CNN. There is no need for that.

They have Q. We have X.

Paul Butler -- as have other analysts -- said on MSNBC tonight that, with Rosenstein gone and Mueller having to report to Whitaker, that Whitaker is in turn reporting to Trump and telling him every single thing about the investigation. But I for one choose to believe that Mueller is too smart for these assholes and isn't giving Whitaker all of the information he has because he knows what Whitaker is going to do with it once he gets it.

Muller is giving Whitaker isotoped info. Once repeated, self identify the source. Whitaker is in line for a sealed indictment.

R250, we can only hope. He plays by the book, however, so I'd be surprised if he did.

Mueller plays by the book but if what he has on them is hugely bad, treasonous, then here at the end he may not.

Whitaker is dumber than all the previous Trump tools. Just look at the idiot schemes he was into to make a fast bucks. Hell, he's even dumber than Trump! He's no match for Mueller.

Worth mentioning again that Whitaker was shilling time travel and Bigfoot to the public.

As I dimly recall there's a recently-elected R representative who writes Bigfoot porn on the side.

Whitaker just gave a speech to law enforcement officials in which he made several serious mis-statements of fact about a terrorism case. This forced the Justice Department--his own agency--to issue a statement contradicting him. He not very bright, and, like Trump, lightly tethered to reality.

I think the X Factor is actually X Factorial X!

Rosenstein isn’t actually gone yet, right?

Is this big?

[quote]Rosenstein isn’t actually gone yet, right?

Still around, but that gimp mask they make him wear has to be getting uncomfortable.

Whitaker looks like a sad, fat Lex Luther.

just heard a theory from an attorney (either former federal or former US attorney) that Mueller may have been waiting to release unsealed indictments until after he received the written answers from Trump. Obviously if the answers don't match what the evidence is, Trump is fucked

Anyone else think Trumps "answers" consist solely of "Under advisement of counsel, I invoke my right under the Fifth Amendment to not answer that question." ?

would zaddy Mueller consider dropping some indictments on Black Friday while everyone's home to watch the news? That would be better than store deal that day!

Streisand 2020

R261, of course, that make sure the most sense. The fact that they only asked for 10 days before revealing Manafort’s cooperation suggests your theory is spot on.

R265 it was someone on tv tonight I think maybe Daniel Goldman who said this. I hope he's right...if so that means new indictments could be coming before xmas

Yes, it was supercute daddy Daniel Goldman who voiced that theory on MSNBC's The 11th Hour.

Makes a lot of sense to me.

Love this response to Trump teleconferencing the military for Thanksgiving.

r268 They need to hear this far and wide

Can't see the link at R268.

r270 Try this one.

Thanks R271. It was reported today that Trump is losing military support. Wonder why?

r272 Trump only cares about himself, his family, and people who can do favors for him. The military is not high on his list of priorities. The service members and veterans are finally starting to figure that out.

The best fuck you would be if the border troops just pack up and leave on their own and go home to their families (at least for Thanksgiving) and then get a simple, half assed "warning" by their superiors who have an angry Trump and Republican Party breathing down their neck.

[quote]The military is not high on his list of priorities. The service members and veterans are finally starting to figure that out.

If they didn't figure it out after Trump's no-shows in France and Arlington they never will. This from a 'man' who spewed his electoral bullshit about doing more for veterans.

Oh please. Everything from "Build That Wall!" to "Drain The Swamp!" was a lie and everybody knew that it was a lie right from the start even before the election 2016. They have only themselves to blame for casting their vote for this opportunistic liar in chief. They knew they get a liar who lies even without opening his mouth and just prances around with that fake weave of his. They wanted to get shit on. That's why they picked Trump.

[quote]Build that wall!

And Mexico’s gonna pay for it.

[quote]Drain the swamp!

And let my billionaire buddies show them how it’s done.

Whitaker is very scary looking, I am pretty sure in his last life he wore an SS uniform and he liked it.

Pelosi got that hammer locked down. The "resistance" crumbled.

They tried but the truth is, she has been good at her job. Republicans hate her, that makes me love her.

R280 Feeble attempt, really. The renegades were mostly newbies. They tried to get Fudge to be the spoiler alternative candidate, but when she got a better offer from Pelosi, they got nothing left to stand on.

So Stone is getting in as much swinging time as he can?

@Oldgma3

Replying to @ColMorrisDavis and @realDonaldTrump

[quote]After he is jailed for treason & his properties seized I would vote to turn his Florida resort into a rehab for vets suffering from PTSD.

Trump’s answers on every question: “I don’t remembrer.” Seriously, can he claim he doesn’t remember in any questions? Might get him out of perjury charges. Will it matter in the end?

X = what Seth A. said at R172 -- an international conspiracy to steal the presidency, install tRump, and reap the monetary rewards.

Some day -- if we survive this -- it'll make a great book and movie.

Pelosi must run a two track offense. WH investigations and legislating items that will force the Senate to either help Americans or show their true colors.

On the second front, Pelosi needs to identify a couple of new, high potential legislators and teach them the ropes quickly.

On the first front pick an issue that is egregious but not directly tied to Trump's inner circle. Zinke or child separations.

I'll just be satisfied if Pelosi doesn't do her "impeachment is off the table" bullshit again.

I think Pelosi's statement "off the table" is more parliamentarian than popular.

Things are procedurally off the table until they are place on the table again, meaning brought up later.

It is a pragmatic statement.

Pelosi has always been pragmatic. She knows what is possible under certain conditions or circumstances and doesn't give false hope or promises things she will not be able to deliver.

The thing is that someone like that doesn't energize the masses. Trump gets a strong reaction from all of us (supporters and opponents) because he gets our juices flowing. Trump is a polarizing figure. Pelosi is ... well, reliable. Maxine Waters on the other hand can get a rise out of anyone. Because she is strong and doesn't mince words.

Are you saying that Pelosi should surround herself with firebrands?

r290, to come off as downright boring or even out of touch? That would be really bad for her image. By now you know what you get with Pelosi.

No, not boring or out of touch.

More like the Wicked Witch of the Democrats releasing her flying monkeys.

Pelosi has been very measured in how she has spoken about impeachment. She's a very smart woman. She knows that as bad as George W. Bu$h was, this is magnitudes worse. She has said that she wants to see what is in Mueller's report, which is a sound approach. She will also get to see what the Democratically-controlled House committees find during their investigations of this corrupt cabal of treasonous felons.

Ultimately, it will be a political calculation that everyone will have to make: is what we discover so rotten and awful that he -- and others -- have to be removed immediately, or can we make it to 2020 and then boot the fuckers out.

Trump was asked this morning at Mar-a-Lago what he’s thankful for. His answer was himself. “I’ve made a tremendous difference in this country.”

He is an absolutely despicable creature, with no redeeming qualities. Every single day he does something to disgrace the office and embarrass the country. Turning a Thanksgiving message to the troops into a political screed is just the latest in a long series of awful things this traitor has done.

[quote]They tried to get Fudge to be the spoiler alternative candidate, but when she got a better offer from Pelosi, they got nothing left to stand on.

I made her an offer she couldn't refuse...bow down bitches.

Trump’s interview with the press this am was the most chilling and alarming I’ve seen yet. Something has to be done before this idiot destroys our country and the world. But what? And when? And how? And who will do it?

[quote]“I’ve made a tremendous difference in this country.”

Well, yes. Absolutely, unprecedentedly and incalculably for the worse.

From another thread:

"The rare times Trump makes a right decision practically don't count because he always does it for the wrong reasons. A strong case can be made for keeping our relationship with the Saudis, but dismissing the obvious murder of a journalist who was working on America's behalf couldn't possibly be more wrong.

Why is this Orange Piece of Shit still in the White House? It is so FUCKING confounding!!

If there's ever been a piece of evidence to prove Democracies inevitably don't work, this is it! But it's not the theory of Democracy, it's our system of Democracy that's been heavily damaged. Massive cheating has been going on for years by the Republicans, Putin discovered and exploited it while blackmailing them in the process - (funneling them money thru the NRA) - and now we're stuck!"

How great would it be if Dump was actually on Putin’s “Mysterious Death” Hit List?

How/When do any of you suppose it would occur?

James Comey and Loretta Lynch have been subpoenaed by the GOP to testify privately about buttery males. Comey says he won't comply unless the proceedings take place in public.

Can Loretta Lynch then be held in contempt? What happens if she refuses the private thing?

Congress goes on recess on December 15th. This Congress ends on January 2nd.

Comey and Lynch can delay until January 3rd...

If they are found in contempt, it can be removed by the next Congress.

Don't worry kittens. We are 23 days from the recess.

Okay R303

and those useless fools still need a Continuing Resolution to keep the government operating after Dec. 7th.

The budget they passed before the midterms runs out then.

So they will be kept too busy to torment Jimmy and Loretta.

R217: I wonder what the QAnon crazies are making out of the news that Trump wanted to order the DOJ to go after Hillary and Clinton.

You meant Hillary and Comey. This really is crazy. It)s treasonous, dictatorial, and stupid. I would hope impeachment would follow immediately if he ever did this, but we’ll see. It’s like he wants to be impeached. Is that possible?

The resistance to Pelosi crumbling so quickly is a testament to her political skills. Once she was able to speak with them and show just how skilled she is, they completely bow downed to her.

Pres Bone Spurs call to the troops was indeed so completely inappropriate and chilling those words do not do it justice. He is completely unhinged. We all knew when he realized they had him things would get worse and I think before the new congress is seated things will get even crazier (can you imagine?)

Maybe the military will finally realize he nor the repugs care one fucking bit about them except to use them as political pawns.

^^^bowed down. Sry.

[quote] R241: Another vote for "X" being trafficking, child trafficking specifically.

Oh, that’s just “political”.

(Not that the Deplorables could define “political”.)

Remember way back when Maxine Waters came out of a classified meeting and was furious with Trump? She learned something important. I wonder if we’ll ever know what it was.

That was Comey. She said he had no credibility.

The resistance to Pelosi is crumbling because it was a Republican manufactured crisis.

Funny, but it only ended the political careers of a half dozen conservative Democratic men.

The Subcommittee on Janitorial Supplies must be popular...

r312 I wouldn't call most of them conservative. They are moderate and were asserting their independence for the next election and Pelosi understands this and is probably ok with it. Conor Lamb has a future in the Democratic party. A bright one. Seth Mouton sunk his. You don't pull that shit in MA.

Remember....a lot of the resisters were Bernie backers...

I hope the situation will convince some people that Alexandria Oscasio-Cortez isn't a total idiot. I'm still not quite sure what I think of her, but she played it pretty well.

We really need to change Schumer out. He is no Harry Reid.

Now, THAT is true r316.

Sheldon Whitehouse would make a terrific Senate leader.....seriously, he knows the system, has been around a while so is familiar with the games, and hes not afraid to call them out directly for their bullshit....and he doesnt suffer fools.

r318 I like that.

r318, what kind of idiot are you? A ты говоришь по русски?

Wrong reply, Прости меня.

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r320

Honestly, I had hoped Mueller WOULDN’T open the flood gates of Treason Hell Indictments before Christmas. The Holiday season is a special time for Americans and much of the world. Why spoil it with Trump as the focus of the season.

But now, after the subpoena of Comey and Lynch..... Fuck American deplorables and the Orange Bone Spur. I hope the Democrats are no holds bar come Jan 3. Nothing should be off the table to destroy the Trumps and McConnell and the rest of them.

Mueller didn't.

If only McConnell gets swept up in treason!

R324, it’s interesting that we really have no idea right now, but it’s possible. It would be perfect it the Right’s leadership was swept up.

R324

R325 R324

I think McConnell is even more (if that’s even possible), loathsome then Trump, because McConnell has been pulling under-handed egregiously shit throughout his entire 51 year career in politics.

I just did a Wiki on this scummer. Nauseating read. Started as a moderate R, to who turned “sharply to the right” early in this career.

Once you sink as low as either of these "men" the degrees of loathsome is irrelevant but I see your point. McConnell is a different kind of dangerous.

R327 ?

McConnell will get his. He was the one who prevented Obama from releasing a statement about Russian interference in the 2016 election. He's right smack in the middle of it.

[quote]McConnell will get his. He was the one who prevented Obama from releasing a statement about Russian interference in the 2016 election.

He didn't prevent it, it was Obama who wouldn't make a statement unless turtleneck joined in. Obama should have said fuck it. Given the danger of a Trump presidency, not just for America but also for the world, Obama should have warned voters about what was going on. He failed to do what would have saved the country from an unhinged madman.

Instead he blamed it all on Hillary, his attack dog Axelroth is still badmouthing her.

The Comey/Lynch nonsense is just a last bit of red meat for the base before the entire GOP implodes with a shitstorm of Democratic oversight.

R330 Yes, Obama should have played hardball with the likes of McConnell. But we all know Obama ain't a fighter. McConell wasn't even much of a fearsome foe either, but he was very effective in playing on Obama's own fear about how it would look. In many ways, once Obama landed in the WH he really let the Dem Party slide down into a hole, which opened the door for Trump.

[quote]But we all know Obama ain't a fighter.

No he wasn't. I often wonder if Putin knew he could get away with this shit because he knew Obama wouldn't crack down hard on Russian infiltration. In Obama's second term he was mostly concerned with his legacy.

I still find it hard to believe that all this stuff was going on under Obama's nose, probably for years, and he didn't counter react.

I want to see all the dog shit in the universe crammed down Stephen Millers’s throat. Yeah, that guy. The admin’s alt-right Nazi, and WH speech writer.

I’ve done some reading on this angry bird.

He is fucking Damien in ‘The Omen’

Brought up in a strongly Dem household, weird and lonely childhood; freaky and rebellious in high school. Single, no friends, no girlfriend.... Smug, angry, snarky, and confrontational to the point of frothing at the mouth.

R332 & R333, Obama didn’t fight McConell because he was wisely wary of looking like an “angry Black man”.

He did fight the Russians, though. He kicked out much of their delegation. He closed two of their retreats. He implemented sanctions. He told Putin to stop it. He did announce these actions.

Trump has tried to reverse all of this.

r335....What are you talking about ?

One of the very first things Trump tried to do when he entered office was to ease sanctions....then he turned around and gave the compounds back.

Sorry r335...I read what you wrote as "Trump has not tried to reverse any of this"

R335 explained it pretty well. The unfortunate thing is, we have an angry white man who isn't even hiding it anymore as president. I know it won't happen, but it'd be striking if the next white guy who's president has to be held in Trump's standard -- treated like he's going to constantly fuck up, having his credibility questioned at every turn, etc. That would feed into the "See, white people are persecuted!" narrative, but it might also make decent chunks of white people remember accountability.

R334, he's either a closet case or an aspie.

I'd bet he hangs out at r/incels every chance he gets.

Just looking at that creep gives me the heebie jeebies. He ain't right in the head.

He will get his. Put him in a cage for the rest of his miserable life with some MS 13 members. He will enjoy it

[quote]Obama didn’t fight McConell because he was wisely wary of looking like an “angry Black man”.

If you allow to be defined by your enemies, you aren't a strong president in the first place.

Besides, Obama was on his way out, he had nothing to lose and history would have been on his side eventually. He messed up big time, he can congratulate himself for Trump being part of his legacy.

I am sure that by the time Obama was briefed, it was about something much more sinister than just election meddling. In certain cases, you cant disclose you know of certain things or you risk a cover up before you have enough evidence to nail the fuckers. We dont know exactly what Obama was briefed on. But we do know as things unfold that we are dealing with things such as espionage, bribery, conspiracy, all kinds of financial crimes including money laundering, etc...and most of all, Treason. The Steele Dossier is just the tip of the iceberg of the corruption this cabel is actively engaged in. Hell, we now have direct evidence of conspiracy to commit murder and an attemt to assist in covering it up. AND IT WAS ALL DONE IN THE OPEN.

^^^...and I might add, and many forget, that when Obama was briefed, there WAS ALREADY AN OPEN AND ACTIVE FBI INVESTIGATION INTO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN....all that stuff was taken over by Mueller almost a year later.

Still doesn't make sense R342/R341. This wasn't just about election interference it was about a hostile country interfering with the most internal operations in your country.

Hillary Clinton did talk about it during the campaign, that the Russians were engaging in espionage to influence the election and that Donald Trump was involved in it, there is no reason Obama didn't inform and warn the American people about it.

Murder? Of whom?

r344.....do you live under a rock ? Kasshogi....Not only is Trump letting them off the hook and giving them cover, you have Kushner taking info from Trumps briefings and giving it to the Crown Prince to help him go after his enemies, and you also have Pompeo delivering a briefing to the CP to help him avoid culpability.

Khashoggi, r344 (and r345)

Dump is most grateful for HIMSELF this Thanksgiving...

I'm grateful for the blue wave that is making his Thanksgiving a living hell.

Yes!

[quote]Dump is most grateful for HIMSELF this Thanksgiving.

Narcissus was in love with his own reflection, and later turned into a flower, which is far too gentle a destiny for the WH grotesque.

OK could zaddy Mueller do something on Black Friday? Give it to us good! WE WANT AN INDICTMENT!!!!!!!! (plural version would be even better)

One can make a lot of excuses for Obama and make guesses as to what he knew and didn't know and when...

What we do know is that he did know SOMETHING, chose not to say ANYTHING and then along with Biden, turned around and blamed it on Hillary.

we know why...McConnell threatened to make it political and say Obama was trying to interfere in the election. Everyone was thinking Hillary was going to win and McConnell was looking for a reason to derail a possible third Democratic presidential term.

Obama had previously said he didn't want to rock the boat as Hillary was expected to win based on polling. Was he wrong? obviously

If Obama had been more public with everything, the repubs would have most certainly attacked him even more viciously than ever. Too many in the public also did not know who to believe-Trump's lies or the people refuting them.

Obama was truly stuck

Sure, he was "stuck..."

Does being "stuck," also mean he was forced to then blame Hillary for all of it after everything was said and done?

I don’t think this shoulda, woulda, coulda in-fighting helps us at all.

It is frustrating with the lack of new developments and it may remain frustrating for the next six weeks, but why spend time trying to assign relative blame amongst the victims.

If we are going to bicker about the unknowable at the moment woulldn’t it be more fun to argue about which Trump spawn will serve the most time instead? Or who tries to flee to Russia first?

[quote]I don’t think this shoulda, woulda, coulda in-fighting helps us at all.

So true.

I’m not even into the “I wish...” “I bet...” “It wouldn’t surprise me if...” fantasy world that some here live in. That kind of shit, wishful thinking, or speculation is OK in the Hollywood gossip or porn threads, but this thread here is about news developments and the future of our country.

Exactly 355. Hillary and the Democratic Party were the victims here of a terrible crime. It may be that Obama’s mistake wa s significant, but it’s also apparent to me that people would have raked him over the coals, and there may have been a huge backlash, if he had come forward without bipartisan support. We need to stop blaming the victims here and move forward and catch and convict these fuckers.

^Oops R355

Did someone write “raked”?

Former GOP chairman Michael Steele has apparently had it up to here with Trump, tweeting Wednesday: ‏ @potus just shut the hell up and get on the helicopter. Give us a rest from your crazy. You don’t know the 9th circuit from a circuit breaker. It’s thanksgiving for crying out loud. Let us be thankful for your silence. You’ve said enough this week.

The GOP and the deplorables would have raked him over the coals, no matter what. According to Obama himself though he had won again if he himself was the candidate. So apparently he thought he still had enough support from Americans and that they'd believe him.

I find it incredibly disingenuous that he doesn't accept more blame for the 2016 election disaster.

Huh.

I guess I blame Donald J Trump, his family, and the lackeys and Russian conspirators who fucked with the 2016 election more than anyone else.

[quote] Hillary and the Democratic Party were the victims here of a terrible crime. It may be that Obama’s mistake wa s significant, but it’s also apparent to me that people would have raked him over the coals, and there may have been a huge backlash, if he had come forward without bipartisan support.

Yes, and one thing that we can't forget is that we are looking at this with the benefit of hindsight. Two years into this disaster it is much clearer to see what steps should have been taken to try and avoid it.

Trafficking Cocaine Mitch will protect anything DJT does. If only the mainstream media and investigative agencies were bold enough to deal with it.

Except that Obama surely must have known and very likely did have knowledge of the things the public only gets to know now.

It's not like the Russians decided in June 2016 to help Trump win the presidency.

Romney knew in 2012.

Romney didnt know shit....all he was doing was spewing a GOP talking point. Remember, the GOP was not always a Russian ally....thats a recent development.

Former Congressional Intern-

I didn't have dinner with my former colleague but had drinks last night after time with fam. This is what she told me-

-Of course the House committees have so much more on Pres Bone Spurs and fam and cohorts than you can imagine. She couldn't share what she knows but said when the Dems take over its going to blow the lid off everything and it's going to be far, far greater than anything we've gone through as a country. And the repugs are very depressed about the elections, that they seemed to feel they would win even though all things pointed to the opposite. She said "almost like they expected help" and just smiled.

-Pres Bone Spurs regularly rakes (hehe) other repugs over the coals when he calls congressional Dems, tries to schmooze them by saying the Dems are "much smarter" than the repugs and he is only doing what he is doing because "he can get away with it with the repugs" but of course they laugh once the call is over because they know he lies nonstop.

-She said the calls are bonkers and they 100% think he is not well.

-She "believes" the conspiracy to steal the election is worldwide and involves many players big and small.

-There has been many many times she "heard" the 25th was almost invoked but Pence will not go along as well as a few key cabinet members. But just a few.

-He is very likely to replace Pence as VP for 2020.

-She wouldn't really touch the subject of the Mueller investigation. It seemed she knew something but she kept saying "they don't leak" so not sure if she truly does know something. Only thing she said was "he knows it all."

[quote]later turned into a flower, which is far too gentle a destiny for the WH grotesque.

He will be a stinky, putrid corpse flower.

Thank you r367. I hope you had a good holiday.

-And she said there was NEVER any real rebellion to Pelosi, it was all for show so they could display independence for reelection. But we already knew that.

-She said Pelosi knows what she is doing, we are in good hands, and she will skewer Pres Bone Spurs.

-She said Pelosi will only be Speaker until 2020. She will hand it over to someone else in the party then.

-She said Pelosi already has huge plans for "saving our fucking nation" and we are in good hands.

-She said impeachment may be off the table because "it may not be needed" then she said "he'll resign."

R367 thank you! We need that kind of information sometimes, when it looks like things are at a standstill. It keeps our morale up and our resolve strong.

Ugh, and the thought came to me too that the markets are not going to love this...but it is what it’s is and Dumpmhas to go.

Thank you, and thanks to your friend, R367/370. Now I can safely stay offline, ignore the news, and tend my own little garden without worry about the outside world until 2020.

All these explosive secrets. Two years counting and none have leaked?

My friend said the Dems are playing things very carefully. There is so much, a lot hinted at by various house members on TV appearances. The repugs practically have given it away when they make appearances on TV by the things they try to discredit. She said it is all out in the open without it being said.

She said Dems are waiting for Mueller but will finally be able to get things out they can through hearings which means they can get things out the proper way instead of saying it on Maddow which no one would really listen to. She said the Dems want a steady stream of info to come out, let people digest it then have the next batch of info out.

She kept stressing how, due to the nature of the things, it would be irresponsible to just say what has been found out without doing in through proper ways. She kept saying our country will never be the same and this is big big big stuff we have never gone through. She stressed PATIENCE which is frustrating but that it will all come out in due time.

This House has 12 official work days left.

That is not a lot of time for certain offices to destroy evidence and remove pictures of Der Furor.

Expect hijinks and distractions.

R367, I sure hope you're right.

I was listening to a pundit talk about the Pelosi thing and they pointed out that every single one of the people who were trying to get rid of her were much more far to the right than Pelosi is - so there was no question as to why they were doing it.

One more thing- I asked about La Senatrice being gay. She laughed so loud. So I know it's 100% true. I know her tells when she can't say it. I asked why he changed his tune on the thing. She took a sip and said, "What would you do if a foreign country had picks of you spit roasted? hahahahahahahahaha. I'm joking. I'm just kidding." I asked if she really was and she just laughed. I asked if that was a laugh as in you know but won't say. She just laughed again. We repeated that for a few more times. I finally said I would take that as affirmative. She said nothing after that. Hmmmmmm. So I do think she was joking about that specific thing (spit roasted) but not someone having compromising info.

Ok, I’ll be the contrarian here. If this is indeed big stuff, maybe the best thing is to make a deal w/ Dump so he’ll resign, then bury the gory parts. Let me stress that I don’t think this is the right thing to do, or what will actually happen. I think we are facing a constitutional crisis, though, that may break us for many years to come. That means economically too. Are we ready to face that as a nation? Do we have the resolve, and can we take care of those people who will fall through the cracks when our economy implodes? I was the person who commented about the markets and retiring—And the thought occurred to me re: the markets. I am ok re weathering the storm, but I’m very concerned that many aren’t.

r380 We CANNOT let this be swept under the rug. Not this time. No way. We made our bed and we must never ever allow this to happen again. It will if we sweep this under the rug and allow the gory parts to go away without being seen in the light.

Besides, isn't it common practice to move your money into safer accounts right before retirement?

R380, if we sweep this under the rug will will never fix the problem.

R381, I agree we cannot sweep this under the rug. And though I’m concerned, I’m actually in a good place re retirement funds. I’m thinking more of other people who may not be as fortunate—more so with the overall economy, not just the stock market. Because when the market tanks, companies stop hiring. Are we ready for another 2007, but even worse, possibly?

Again, I agree we must not bury this—it Goes against the very fabric of our nation, and of justice and democracy. But I do think we need to prepare for the consequences. They are going to be (as a future former president might say), Yuuge.

R375. That all sounds compatible with what I have been reading on Seth Abramsons threads and his book Proof of Collusion. This is deep and expansive corruption by Trump and the GOP. How much truth the average American citizen can handle... I believe everything needs to come out in understandable terms but I also wouldn't be at all surprised if Trump doesn't take a deal for himself and family and resign. This is bad.

"but I’m very concerned that many aren’t.".

Hmm. And your concern suggests that for the good of the economy (and your money) we ignore treason. Great talking points, appealing to people's wallets; not buying it.

"I’m thinking more of other people who may not be as fortunate—more so with the overall economy, not just the stock market. Because when the market tanks, companies stop hiring. Are we ready for another 2007, but even worse, possibly?"

PLEASE. Are people really following for this troll?

The country must go through pain. This must never be allowed to happen again. The pain was already going to come with or without all the horrible shit he has done. We are running up huge deficits in great economic times. When the inevitable recession comes (sooner because of his irresponsible economic policies) we won't be able to deficit spend our way out like last time.

Of course 30% will not learn the lesson and will fall for another con man from the right who blames this on liberals or "browns" or whomever they can. But the country must go through the pain in order to never repeat this bullshit again.

I meant "falling for", but "following" practically works, too.

I agree, R387. To cover up stuff means it is repeated and festers, like the Catholic Church's sexual abuses.

Are you kidding me r386? I’m not a troll. Up front, I said I don’t think we should bury this, but that I was being contrarian for a reason. We all agree from what has been said, the reveals will be cataclysmic. Maybe I should have put my post in different terms—we need to prepare for this, rather than are we prepared for this. I apologize if it appeared I don’t want this to be brought to the light of day. I just wanted t people to u derstand that this might rock the nation. I’ve been following these threads from the first one, along with every other message board and news site. I will be dancing in the streets when Dump is dethroned.

Kudlow just said recession is so far in the distance he can't see it so you know it's coming sooner rather than later. They lie nonstop.

They will have their blame in the House Dems. That is baked in the books so the Dems better have their talking points lined up and ready to go. The Clinton team always had rapid response to the repugs and it worked. Where has that gone?

R390, you’re right—but I’m optimistic people won’t blame Democrats. If anything, I think there will be a clean sweep in 2020, mirroring 2006/2008.

We absolutely, 100-percent have to take our medicine. If nothing else, it will be a wakeup call for plenty of people. I have to believe that the lunatic 30 percent will continue dying out/changing their attitudes.

r389 I didn't think you were a troll. Yes, this will rock this nation like nothing has. It will rip us apart and I agree, we need to prepare for it. There will be violence though I hope when the details come out, it will be so sobering it will leave people wanting to reconcile.

This should be a horrible experience because it is so horrible. Our very foundations were, and still could be, destroyed. This is our first really big test to see if we can survive as the nation we have always see ourselves.

[quote]every single one of the people who were trying to get rid of her were much more far to the right than Pelosi is - so there was no question as to why they were doing it.

I have not trusted Seth Moulton from day one (nor is this AWG "hot"). I think he was maneuvering (poorly) to become President via the Speaker's Office.

Got it, r389. Thanks, you are right. We messed up big time. We allowed criminals to subvert our democracy, and we will have to pay. And although I was thinking economic terms, you brought up a sobering, and far more important point re the potential for violence when everything breaks. Maybe I’ll just hibernate for the next 2-3 months (or years).

Interesting. Jerome Corsi may be working on a plea deal.

[quote]She kept saying our country will never be the same and this is big big big stuff we have never gone through.

What's astonishing about this phase is that clearly all Beltway cognoscenti know what R367's riveting friend knows - and are just waiting, waiting, with that nation-changing volume of corrupt information bursting to break.

Meanwhile The Culprit goes about his crass merry business: picnicking on Vesuvius, fiddling while Rome burns, choose your analogy. But it seems impossible even he can deny what's coming. His insane vainglory about giving thanks for himself in fact seems to speak to that - like some terrible ham actor trying to convey how misunderstood he's been.

Agree that it all might be too much to handle for many, but too bad. Such delusions need exploding - they're what helped enable the corruption. The entire metastasising cancer needs to be cut out. Of course it runs far and deep, and the corruption will take years to track. So be it.

Ironic that it's 55 years on from JFK in Dallas. That's 55 years of not believing the Warren Report due to so many anomalies, and an embedded distrust of TPTB as a result. This time needs to be transparently different. Not that there's enough whitewash in the world for a cover-up now.

I like Moulton enough but he did a STUPID thing with this Pelosi move.

All those who challenged Pelosi (and they really didn't as my source already said) were just posturing for reelection and never truly were after Pelosi. They may be to her right, but they are not center/right. They are moderate Dems but wholly Dems. But Seth was stupid because, unlike them, he is in a very blue state.

How much violence do we think is possible? I mean, will there be that many domestic terrorists, nationalists, etc.? I'd be curious to see if the CIA or FBI has statistics on that sort of thing. It makes you hope local, state regional and national law enforcement is ready. Maybe I'm naive, but I can't imagine there being a literal boots on the ground, bombs in the air World War over this. Not when there's enough of a chance for violence from within.

r399 This could result in some sort of war with other countries. They literally conspired to install a stooge and that is an act of war. How we respond is anyone's guess. The alt-right crowd will not let this go without some sort of bloodshed, do you think?

I think we need to be careful how all of this information gets out. Those in congress, who already know a lot but not nearly all of what Mueller knows, have to spill the beans in the appropriate way, with proof. The Dems have a plan for this. It is why Pres Bone Spurs is shitting his pants and in the foulest of moods. He is ready to blow.

R400 It goes back to the importance of law enforcement. I really hope everyone's on red alert, monitoring the potential for danger. Being proactive would be a mighty strong deterrent. I agree with you, though, the information spread has to be done in a way that only Donald would be the one panicking.

The trolls are busy posting threads about how great Black Friday is, how the economy will save Pres Bone Spurs and the Dems are jealous. Seriously, they just can't stop. Too bad the economy didn't help in the midterms. I wonder why?

This was Putin’s plan all along. Destroy our belief in democracy, make the economy go to shit, cede our status as world powerhouse to China.

[quote]Pres Bone Spurs regularly rakes (hehe) other repugs over the coals when he calls congressional Dems, tries to schmooze them by saying the Dems are "much smarter" than the repugs and he is only doing what he is doing because "he can get away with it with the repugs" but of course they laugh once the call is over because they know he lies nonstop.

Are the calls recorded and/or part of any congressional records?

r404 who knows. She didn't say.

But what was the practice when you were congressional intern?

Oh man, I hope someone's recording those calls. Talk about a comedy album that's waiting to happen.

r406 They didn't record them as far as I know.

NYT: Saudis insisting on producing their own nuclear fuel as part of deal with the U.S. (Hello, Saudi nuclear bomb!)

So, Adam Schiff talking to WaPo about "the need to find out" about Cheeto's financial ties to the Saudis, should be a clear indication what's to come in January.

It made the hair stand up on the back of your neck the moment you saw it. You're going to find out why.

Thank you so much for those tidbits, former intern! Very interesting stuff. I feel better knowing that the Dems are going to play hard ball come January and Pelosi will be in charge. Say what you want about the old gal, but she knows how to get shit done.

My coworker and I gave discussed this on several occasions and both of us agree that when the deplorables realize fat Donnie is going to be removed, they will go fucking nuts.

As in take hostages nuts, blow shit up nuts and shoot people up nuts. Their miniscule brains will simply be unable to process the fact that he is a Russian asset and a traitor and they will become unhinged. More so than now.

Their fevered dreams of a whites only nation will finally be flushed down the shitter and they will lash out. It will be a scary time.

It has never been a whites only nation. They made sure of that when they enslaved a bunch of Africans.

And we live next door to a foreign country with a lot of white latins but also a lot of latins who have a ton of Indian blood and look darker. So it was bound to happen they would migrate over to us as many Americans have migrated over to them to retire and what not.

I don't know, though. I feel like most deplorables are cowards and willing to defelct. You'll get some violent people, but I'm sure the rest will transition to "Oh, I might have been a Republican, but I could NEVER have supported all that."

Deflect, I mean. Although I guess I want them to shit themselves.

Deplorables are the biggest weaklings of all. Snowflakes every one. They have to have big trucks and guns galore to make up for the terror they constantly feel. It is why the repugs always run on fear. Their base is always full of it. They are pant-shitters.

Buckle up...as r396 states, Corsi is in plea talks which means next week will be fun. If Corsi enters a deal next week, Stone most likely will be indicted at the same time.

I really love it that it will be The People's House that finally takes on this orange motherfucker. I hope Mar-a-lago becomes Trump's version of Hitler's bunker.

Speaking of Mar-a-Lago, does it not look haunting as shit with Donald sitting in the low light?

I want to see Mar-a-lago confiscated under RICO.

No burying the gory parts, no sweeping things under the rug.

You deal with that shit in the light of day. That is how you ensure law and order.

Do a version of the Nuremberg trials. Execute those proven to have committed crimes that carry a death penalty. Sentence harshly those who deserve it. Fine those who broke laws that don't have criminal penalties.

Do a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Hold people accountable for aiding and abetting. Hold weasels accountable when they claim they weren't involved. Have an internet Dishonor Roll with links to public statements, even down to tweets and Facebook posts.

I'm fucking serious. There are still Holocaust deniers to this day because this shit wasn't nipped in the bud, and you don't want to be fighting Trump-history whitewashers from your retirement community years from now.

The gaslighting must end. Forgive, if you like, but don't forget.

[quote]But the country must go through the pain in order to never repeat this bullshit again.

Yes and HRH Nancy is going to make sure we take our medicine. Remember her in your holiday wishes or prayers DLers because Pence is in it up to his perfectly coiffed hair, and come January the new Speaker will be second in the line of succession.

And another thanks to R367 for posting.

Nothing your friend has shared with you is new or hasn't already been discussed here on this thread. Interesting though.

I don't agree with the assessment that those challenging Pelosi were only doing it to regain their seats. That actually makes no sense because they were doing it AFTER the Dems already took the House back in the Midterms.

And Moulton is an asshole.

...and a lot of her challengers are newbies.

R367, does your friend have any idea why Pence doesn’t turn on Trump? He could be President, which is plainly his ambition. Why not?

r422 I'm just telling you what she said was really going on. They are looking at 2020 congressional elections. Many ran on not supporting Pelosi so this was their "See, I didn't support her" but it was all for show.

r424 No, she didn't say she knew of any reason.

*** Breaking News *** 3:05pm est -11/23

“ Trump asks Supreme Court to take up transgender troop ban case”

What the fuck is up with this super-cunt?

This is what he’s thinking about while playing in Mar-A-Lago during Thanksgiving weekend?

Will the Supreme Court even take this on, and overturn a lower court decision?

[quote] I think we need to be careful how all of this information gets out.

I don't believe in "Oh, we shouldn't make the Deplorables mad!" concern. They get mad when they see a picture of Hillary Clinton in a pantsuit. They get mad when someone dares to say something negative about Trump. They get mad when someone tells them that Obama may still come for their guns.

We can't, and shouldn't, base our actions on whether it makes the Deplorables mad.

Liberals could upload the Mueller investigation on social media Wikileaks style with all the receipts and the Deplorables would still be outraged and call it Fake News and internet terrorism or character assassination (Trump and his associates) that requires physically violence respones by shooting random people in random, public places.

R426 he’s deflecting again. He’s trying to bury the big climate change report that came out today.

One of Trumps hookers must have turned out to be a chick with a dick....there is no other explanation for his obsession with trans.

Yeah, I understand that you're reporting on what she's saying and I'm saying that I don't buy at all that that was "what was really going on."

I don't believe that they were looking toward 2020. And if they were they should fuck off because they were willing to risk 2018 for themselves. But again, I think that assessment is inaccurate. Moulton can't be trusted and a lot of people have always hated him.

And I agree with R427. I'm really fucking tired of Democrats bending to how sensitive Rethugs and Deplorables are. They will fuck you over no matter what so there's no sense in fucking catering to what a very fucking small fraction wants. What has that ever gotten us? Oh yeah, Gorsuch.

I would guess Pence doesn't turn on Mango because he's afraid of the photos they have of him sucking off whathisface.

I do hope the spitroasting of the senatrice pics are eventually released to the public. Be great to see exactly what it took for a man to completely turn and betray his beliefs and his country the way he has. Wonder whatever became of the rent boys too. Were They in on the set up - or just unwilling players who also had no clue?

Why - in this day and age - when EVERYTHING can be so easily filmed and recorded - do closeted people still insist on running for public office and expect not to get found out? Fucking lunacy!

The thing about the Senatrice is obviously not about photos of him being spit roasted. Everyone knows he's a "homosexual," so confirmation wouldn't ruin him.

The photos are obviously of him being spit roasted by Black men or worse yet... Muslims!

R426, Trump wants to bypass the lower federal courts and go straight to the Supreme Court on this issue, on the ground that it is a national security issue. I don't think the Court will go for that.

I think the entire Trump mess has to be exposed. I want Fox to be completely discredited, so that we can tell the Fox-washed that their “news” source, that promoted Trump for years, shouldn’t be believed.

I’m guessing that they will stop trusting all news sources, then will tune Fox back in, but I’d like the evidence to be out there. My brother did once acknowledge that Fox lied, but he watched it, because “they all do that”. How stupid is that? Trusting a news source that you know is lying to you.

[quote] The photos are obviously of him being spit roasted by Black men or worse yet... Muslims!

I think you are onto something. What if the blackmail material is The Senatrice all dressed up as alluring belly dancer dancing for big Muslim cock?

Would it really be so bad if the deplorables all had nervous breakdowns?

What this country needs to heal is one thing: TRANSPARENCY

- What exactly happened? How did Trump become POTUS?

- What is being done to prevent this from happening again?

My favorite line from Rethuglicunts is when they shout at "Dumb Liberals," about how stupid they are for only watching and getting their news from CNN and MSNBC --- meanwhile THEY watch all news sources, including Fox, and make up their own minds (because Liberals don't) by following and believing that Fox is a reliable, and honest "news" source.

R438, and why certain members of congress have aided trump.

I do wonder who Fox will handle this when trump's corruption is exposed. They must be wondering that too. I don't believe they buy their own bullshit,

The general public needs more honest, no bullshit propaganda reporting. No right wing media controlling the narrative.

Get the 1% narrative and agenda ridden propaganda out of the media. And out of the government, of course.

R427 R435

Agreed! Spill your un-refutable beans Mr. Mueller.

Fuck the backlash, and let the truth expose every one of these deplorable assholes.

R427: “it’s just political”. I’ve already heard that from a Deplorable who was aping what he heard on Fox.

r439 all they do is project their own bias and crimes onto others.

I immediately get suspicious when some conservative accuses someone else of being a pedophile or meth addict.

r427 I didn't get the impression my friend or the Dems in congress feel they need to get the information out in a way to let the deplorables down easy. Not at all. It was more to do with doing it the correct way such as through hearings, subpoena records and allowing everything to be digested because there will be so much important things could get lost. Does that make sense?

Acosta: “President Trump, will you follow your own rules decorum?”

Trump : “A lot of people lack decorum...”

The above is as I imagine, but can a reporter stop him the net time he does something like this? It begs for a relevant follow-up question.

Yes, R445. Mueller needs to explain it with facts and evidence, so that even Deplorables can understand the argument. Ultimately, impeachment is a political matter, and politicians need to have their jobs threatened. Remember that half the population is below average intelligence.

How will Fox news handle it?

They'll just ignore it like it didn't ever happen and instead focus on how an investigation needs to be opened up on Hillary because new information has been released that she had some overdue books back at Wellesley that she never paid for.

Deplorables are stupid - end of story. There's no talking sense to them no matter how you dumb it down.

Did anyone see that segment where they asked people how they felt about Mango saying he wants to give the Statue of Liberty back to France?

The Deplorables said, "I'm fine with whatever he wants to do! Whatever he says is good!!!!"

R448 Weren't there reports Murdoch was already telling the network to start distancing itself?

No one is looking out for the deplorables feelings. 30% of the country will not believe anything factual in the Mueller report or Dem hearings. Fuck them. The rest, the truly independent who went hard for the Dems this election, will. In the end, they will be left behind and the rest of us will have a majority of votes. They can kick, scream and cry all day long. People are sick of them and their whiny ways.

I predict that Trump will deny doing anything illegal. He uses denial as an excuse. Putin denies meddling in our elections. The Saudi prince denies involvement in murdering that journalist. Our intelligence community is certain they are both guilty, but Trump doesnt care.

Trump will deny things that he hasn’t even be accused of. At the very end, he’ll blame the public for not being worthy of him. He’ll rather “burn it all down”, than surrender. I mean that metaphorically and literally.

oh, I wasn't saying that all deplorables will go crazy enough to blow shit up. Only a handful will. The majority will scream and cry on social media.

However, we all need to be alert to the high probability that 3 or 5 of these nutters will go full Nunberg once fat Donnie is exposed.

Thank you [R450] !

He just denied having financial ties to the Saudis. An obvious lie.

r454 I mean, when his mouth is moving.....

This is where I don't understand why so many of his deplorables are ok with. If he lies this much people don't ya think he lies to you? They are like abused wives.

He's a comedy show now. Everything he says is just side splittingly funny because of its absurdity

Nothing Trump says should ever be believed. Not even fact-checked. If I was a reporter, I’d ask for proof of every assertion Trump makes. Without evidence/proof, he should just be ignored.

r456 Here, Here! This absolutely. Or just given a really loud, sarcastic "SURE, JAN."

My office in Trump Tower was bugged by Obama.

I’ll show my tax return when the audit is over. Did I mention I’m being audited?

I’ve sent investigators to Hawaii looking for Obama’s birth certificate and you won’t believe what they’ve found. You won’t believe it.

Mexico will pay for the wall.

I’m the healthiest President in history.

One of the most frustrating things is how coolly Trump just repeats his lies, even after they have been proven false.

Perhaps if the media would just not cover anything else until he admits he lied about a certain thing. Like just hound him. When he tries to distract just go right back to say, the Hawaii BC thing. Don't let up. Even if he starts a war just keep asking him about the same lie. That might shut his lying ass up for a hot minute.

We might as well have Alex Jones in charge.

r461 What do you mean, we do!

How does Trump or ANY of these motherfuckers associated with this administration sleep soundly?

I’m serious. How do they go about their day appearing as if nothing is wrong, knowing of the rightful justice they’re in store for?

All I know is, if I were ever late with making a credit card payment, I’d break into a sweat until that bill was paid.

Please help me understand. Is it flat-out, absolute denial? How on earth can these people be comfortable in their skins?

Well, Donald's clearly a basket case. I have to imagine the rest are all operating on fraying nerves.

R463, these people live in a world without consequences, a world in which they have never been punished for anything.

The rich never have consequences for anything. Imagine if they had to pay a speeding ticket proportional to what we would pay? The whole world is a skewed for them and against the poor. A poor person has a car break down or gets a speeding ticket and that could be their rent or light bill or whatever. To the rich, it is pocket change if that or even if they have to pay it.

My inaugural crowds were bigger than Obama’s! The photos showing otherwise are wrong!

I hire the best people!

I have the best words! (Honor, special, disgrace, sad.)

I consult with myself.

My administration has done more than any that came before.

I am grateful for the good job I’ve been doing.

I almost forgot ...

[bold]I EXUDE CLASS AND ELEGANCE[/bold]

Today’s gem:

We were headed to -2% to -4% GDP under Obama. Instead we have +4% GDP growth.

At a certain point, the piles of evidence are going to show the involvement of Fox in a conspiracy to defraud the American people, and they will have significant exposure to both criminal prosecutions and civil lawsuits.

R415? You are wrong. I really wish you weren't, but you are.

A fearful man is a dangerous man. An insecure, confused, and stupid man tends to be fearful. Fearful men (for whatever reason) are more likely to resort to violence because they are afraid and have no idea how to think things through to a sensible solution, aka they "shoot first and ask questions later." Why do you think so many innocent black kids/adults are getting shot by cops? Cops now are for the most part fearful and insecure snowflakes who have something to prove.

I live surrounded by deplorables here in rural Florida. Just today my neighbor (who was probably drunk) got out a couple of shotguns and fired them aimlessly into the woods. And last night someone fired off about 15 rounds out of two different pistols just for fun. Earlier in the week I heard more errant gunshots from another neighbor. And now you're telling me you think these idiots would run from a fight? Uh, I don't think so.

I am as liberal as liberal gets, but I myself have two pistols to protect myself from these assholes, and I am certain that won't be anything close to enough firepower if these guys decide to go on a rampage. And don't forget, Florida has the "stand your ground" law, so if a citizen feels his/her life is threatened for any reason, s/he has the right to kill, which these deplorables would do at any pretext. I wish I could leave, but I'm on a fixed income and my place is paid for. So I must figure out the best way to defend myself even if nothing more happens with Trump and his ilk.

If any of you guys have some time to kill and want to help me build a cement wall around my place, let me know.

Re the idiot neighbor, I'd anonymously report "shots fired" to the police, R471, in a way it can't be traced back to me. Burner phone or other means.

[quote]“it’s just political”. I’ve already heard that from a Deplorable who was aping what he heard on Fox.

Ask this idiot if it's "political", how come actual deplorables on the Manafort jury agreed there are actual crimes there, therefore, it's not political but a matter of crime under the law. And how come the same deplorables voted for his conviction on how many counts. And why the deplorable Flynn would plead guilty if he was innocent and it was "political". And finally ask them if they have actually read a single line from Mueller's indictments so far, especially the one against the Russians.

This thread is FIRE. Thx former congressional intern!

[quote] A fearful man is a dangerous man.

A fearful man acts irrationally without deliberate thought. That's when people shoot themselves in the balls or in the foot, or shoot at each other, because the smallest of things can set them off.

Yes, it would be a good thing to be able to avoid them in that time where Trump gets chased out of the WH, but remember: The most damage will the Deplorables do to themselves in their blind fear and anger.

[quote]Remember, the GOP was not always a Russian ally....thats a recent development.

They for sure were in 2012. After 4 years of Hillary Clinton as SOS Putin hated her and he also knew she would run in 2016.

The GOP as much as Putin wanted to avoid a Clinton presidency at any cost.

So yes Romney probably knew what was going on. Obama probably knew as well but he did too little too late to counteract it.

All but one Juror on the Manafort Trial thought he was guilty on all counts. One Deplorable, who should be investigated, thought he was guilty on 10 counts. Two or three deplorable on any of these Juries are going to set the guilty, free.

R380 is a talking points weapon.

I can’t believe some of y’all engaged him.

He’s a Deplorable.

[quote]After 4 years of Hillary Clinton as SOS Putin hated her and he also knew she would run in 2016. The GOP as much as Putin wanted to avoid a Clinton presidency at any cost.

THIS, baby, THIS. This is the very point I don't think has gotten enough attention throughout this entire ordeal. It made total and complete sense for the GOP to work with Putin because they shared a common goal: stopping Hillary from becoming President at all costs. This is also why I think more Rethugs than Donald Trump are in this thing up to their eyeballs and the reason so many of them have been working so furiously these past two years to protect not just him but themselves from being uncovered as traitors to this country.

Wrong on every single sentence of your post, r477.

One of the things I appreciate about DL is the difference of thought and opinion. People bring up perspectives that maybe others hadn’t thought about, and the reasoning is always well thought out. I conceded my post was wrongly worded. Please read everything before you accuse someone of being a deplorable. It’s an easy way to insult someone whose opinion you don’t agree with.

I think people know that accusing someone of being a deplorable here is a highly disparaging insult to those of us who have fought Dump from the day—even before—he was elected.

[quote] It made total and complete sense for the GOP to work with Putin because they shared a common goal: stopping Hillary from becoming President at all costs.

That would imply that they care about something more than money. Putin gave them money. And while in power they hand out money and luctrative contracts to their rich donors. And don't forget the tax cut for the 1%.

If it were just Hillary they could have done more with her in power and demean her like they did with Obama. Demand investigation after investigation (why is she only wearing pantsuits? Does she have something to hide? This needs to be investigated!!!). And their bigoted supporters would have worshipped them and begged them to save them from this harpy of a Liberal woman.

The GOP uses "hot button" issues to manipulate people to help them further their agenda (Muslims, Hillary's Emails, foreign terrorism, black and gay people, trannies in public bathrooms, women president, etc.) . Maybe it was about the 1% tax cut, maybe about SCOTUS, but it was most certainly about the money they could put in their own pockets and the pockets of their uber rich donors.

Slightly of topic, but do we care to speculate whether John Kerry saw Robert Mueller naked in the showers when they were on the hockey team together at St. Paul's? Consider this a mash-up with the "showering with other guys" thread.

You know, some gay porn studio should do a gay porn spoof about the whole investigation. There is a market for hot daddy action after all.

So Putin's Clown Prince with bone spurs is on the attack against transgenders serving in the U.S. military, to deflect and excite his base?

[quote] [italic] “it’s just political”. I’ve already heard that from a Deplorable who was aping what he heard on Fox. [/italic]

Fox started saying something like this, immediately after the murders of those children in Newtown, Connecticut. I heard my Deplorable brother in law ape it:

[quote] [italic] “We shouldn’t politicize the issue.” [/italic]

Actually, that is a political statement in itself, and the Deplorables shouldn’t get away with it. My response to this now is:

[quote] “That statement sounds to me to be a political statement in itself. It is intended to end discussion on guns, so as to do nothing about them. That also makes it hypocritical.”

Depending on the audience, I might leave off the last statement. I phrase it this way, so my bro in law can’t counter with “no it isn't”, because I’d just say, “Well, that’s the way it [italic] sounds [/italic] to me.”

That all said, I avoid talking to my bro in law about politics if I can. So, dear DataLoungers, don’t let people shut down discussion with this kind of comment!

The other hypocritical phrase used right after a shooting, by Deplorables is:

[italic] “Now is not the time to talk about gun control.”[/italic]

I guess the best response might be:

[italic] “Now is exactly the time to talk about gun safety legislation.” [/italic]

Michael Hayden, a former director of the CIA and National Security Agency, suffered a stroke earlier this week, his family said Friday.

In a statement, the family said Hayden, 73, suffered the stroke at his home and was hospitalized but did not provide details about the stroke's severity.

r486 Damn that sucks. Of all the people to get a stroke.......

I never ever let a deplorable shut me down. I've lost friends and family over it. They know I don't shut up. I go at them full stop. It helps half the family is the same way and support my way of thinking.

[quote]You know, some gay porn studio should do a gay porn spoof about the whole investigation. There is a market for hot daddy action after all.

It is worrisome, R487 and R478. It smells like Putin cleaning up loose ends, advanced age or not. He does this, y’know. Assassination via poison in other people’s countries e.g. UK, Ukraine, USA.

r489 And it wouldn't surprise me if he was being aided by the current scum administration. Pres Bone Spurs is not far away from going there if he hasn't already.

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We need to be aware of this and fight this, tooth and nail. Debunk it at every opportunity.

Totally agree, R492, although I'm sure the book will reach its intended audience (deplorables).

And now Mexico is saying the detention of asylees in Mexico prior to application is PURE TRUMPIAN BULLSHIT!

Mexico 2: Trump 0

Hasn't Lewandowski appeared as an analyst on MSNBC a few times over these last couple of weeks? If so, I doubt he'll return and allow them to dismantle his bullshit book. He'll probably slither back to Fox now where he'll be safe.

I've thought about becoming a conservative pundit. Then write a book like Coulter and rake in the $$$$$ from those idiots.

This Lewandowski book would seem to be too little, too late now that Trump looks so pathetic post-election. He kind of missed the wave.

r493, Deplorables can read???

I think another reason for Trump's obvious anxiety and nutso behavior recently, is the realization that his relationship with the Republican Senate will definitely change. This midterm was a repudiation of Trump and his brand of Republicanism. They fact that Dems also made gains in governors and state legislatures is a huge message. So it won't surprise me if Trump's "rubber stamp" relationship with McConnell and the Senate changes. It may be wishful thinking on my part but even Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder can see that Trump is toxic even to his own enablers. Of course I also feel like a lot of the leadership is dirty and may begetting love letters from Mueller.

Saw some Fox this am. They are still Trump cheerleaders despite Murdoch’s mystery meeting. Still screeching about caravans of brown people.

Idiot George Papadopoulos has been ordered to report to prison tomorrow.

I hope he gets conjugal visits by his Russian-oops ITALIAN-wife.

It’s only two weeks. Let’s hope he gave dynamite info to Mueller to nail Trump. He lucked out on the sentence. 14 days is a cake walk. Bring a Stephen King novel. Easy-peasy.

r502 I hope he gets conjugal visits with BBC.

I just saw Active Measures. These MFers all need to be executed. I'm sickened these assholes have worked with and allowed someone like Putin to become more powerful.

R493, I think they buy the books, but they don't read them or keep them. I live in Trump country in a blue state, and the local Friends of the Library sale was 60% every Conservative Pundit's book printed in the past few years. None of them looked read. When I was younger, I might have bought them all to have a shelf of shame, but I can't bear, now, to have them in my home.

With our new blue Congress poised to take office and strike, and what R497 said, I think Lewandowski’s book will warrant a serious rewrite.

I know, never gonna happen... I can’t wait the undeniable truth to come out, which will debunk all the bullshit written by these deplorables.

[quote]This midterm was a repudiation of Trump and his brand of Republicanism.

Most importantly, it demonstrated his endorsement is not a golden ticket for Republican incumbents, and his twitter-wrath does not mean you'll lose your office.

Fewer and fewer Republicans will think they need to stay tethered to supporting him or his "policies."

R499 "Trump's ... relationship with the Republican Senate will definitely change."

I think the Repug Senators will realize that if they just rubber stamp deplorables, they risk major investigations of said deplorable by the House.

There's going to be shelves and shelves of conservative books at thrift stores in the future. I wonder if they'll be bought for reading or other, more practical purposes (litter box liners, boot stuffings, etc.)

R509 Toilet paper

Does Mr. Dershowitz know something that we dont know? I cannot wait to find out!

[quote]Fewer and fewer Republicans will think they need to stay tethered to supporting him or his "policies."

To R507's very wise point:

r512 I don't know why they would go back to the repugs any time soon. That party, 99%, were completely complicit and enabled Pres Bone Spurs. Who could trust them?

So Dershowitz is preparing Deplorables for the 'devastating' Inevitable - while softening the blow with 'non-criminal' balm.

Which differs from the tone of confident Insider gossip posted above, speaking of seismic national shocks to come. Can those possibly be non-criminal?

I have a hard time understanding how some that is “devastating” can be non-criminal. I mean, I guess it’s possble, but my puny brain can’t imagine such a scenario. Maybe he cheats on Melania? Maybe there’s a pee pee tape? I guess those are “non-criminal”... or it’s just Dershowitz being obtuse.

This has its own thread, but it’s worth dropping here, too.

Do you think he means non-criminal meaning for Pres Bone Spurs? As in there would be no indictment of a sitting President?

yeah. "non criminal" for whom, exactly?

Because his chinless brats are going down. And so will he once his fat ass gets cunt punted to the curb.

I need some asset forfeiture for Xmas. A RICO charge would be good, too.

[quote] I guess those are “non-criminal”... or it’s just Dershowitz being obtuse.

He's whistling past the graveyard. Dan Abrams called Dershowitz out a few times on his bald-faced lying assertions on This Week with George S. Dan told him that he knew no more than the rest of us, and he was just making stuff up. Dershowitz has this theory that tRump can't be prosecuted for engaging in constitutionally-protected actions. Maybe that's true and maybe it's not. We certainly don't have all the information that Mueller has.

"can't be prosecuted for engaging in constitutionally-protected actions"

r519.....READ this again......the interesting catch is that anything Trump will face that is illegal, will NOT be constitutionally protected. AD knows that and is using vague statements to be controversial. He LOVES the publicity.

Dershowitz has always been scum. I didn't think he could sink any lower. Then he became one of Trump's most prominent ass lickers. He is completely embarrassing himself by pretending to have inside information and making bogus legal arguments that only a political hack like Brett Kavanaugh would accept.

Can we criminalize AD?

I'd love to know AD's #MeToo history...

Thank you R514.

[quote]can't be prosecuted for engaging in constitutionally-protected actions

a ha, but if the actions are corrupt--designed to enrich the president, obstruct justice, steal an election, etc.--then they are not protected by the Constitution.

Now Putin is attacking Ukraine. Hmmmm wonder what our incompetent leader will do about that? Or what did Putin tell him how to respond?

I love to watch Dershoshitz’s law student, Jeffrey Toobin go after him. It’s like watching Abbot & Costello’s ‘Who’s on first’ sketch.

[quote]...the interesting catch is that anything Trump will face that is illegal, will NOT be constitutionally protected.

But, he will claim everything is constitutionally protected and/or protected under executive privilege. Everything. This will go through several courts and they'll try to take it the Supreme Court. Then, we get to see what Gorsuch and Kavanaugh have to say about it. I think any decision regarding anything having to do with the Russian investigation and Trumps' overall criminality will be a 9-0 to 7-2 decision. I don't think he'll win and he might lose Gorsuch. Thomas and Kavanaugh, I think, are the only two possibilities to favor Trump.

[quote]I'd love to know AD's #MeToo history...

i won't hear a word against my good friend and travel companion Mr. Dershowitz.

[quote]"I still don't think it's going to make a criminal case, because collusion is not criminal." (Dershowitz)

Are these people morons? Collusion is a part of conspiracy as in "conspiracy against the United States". Did these idiots not go to law school or, ya know, even ever just watch an episode of Law and Order? Really, why do they keep repeating this? It will make no legal difference. The deplorables don't understand what they're talking about. When they are all charged, it will be for conspiracy. Do they keep saying it so they can go, "See, no collusion, just like I said!"? Is that really all they've got at this point?

I think AD knows exactly what he's doing by saying such things - he's feeding the Deplorables.

I can't remember who said it, but I think a pundit said something to the effect that Dersh is making political arguments through lawyer speak by causing as much doubt and uncertainty as he can. His arguments are all bullshit and wouldn't stand up in a court of law, but he's trying to muddy the waters about Mueller's authority and Trump's prosecutorial-ness to appeal to the Deplorables and gaslight them even more.

My question is, why? Is he that much of Zionist to completely fall in lock step with Trump? Are the rumors about him and Epstein true? Or is there some other overarching reason for his abrupt switch to rabid Trump toady?

Miss Lindsey and Dershowitz must both be being blackmailed. There is no other explanation for their insane support of Trump.

I'm sure Mueller is aware of Graham and AD and will look into blackmail.

Dershowitz isn't really supporting Trump. He's just a glutton for attention and loves what he's been getting at Fox News.

But I do suspect Graham is getting blackmailed. Somewhere there's a picture or video of Graham with a dick in his mouth. And I would also suspect it's either very young or very black.

^^^Only the one?

^^ LMAO

...while he's dressed as Little Bo Peep.

Maybe there's video of the Senatrice kneeling during the National Anthem.

Of course she's kneeling and blowing a young man of color.

R535 What? Douchewitz was a Trump surrogate even before the election. He should go down with Trump, if there is any justice.

Trump knows all of Dershs dirty little secrets...Epstein is just the tip of the iceberg.

[quote] Collusion is a part of conspiracy as in "conspiracy against the United States". Did these idiots not go to law school or, ya know, even ever just watch an episode of Law and Order? Really, why do they keep repeating this? It will make no legal difference.

Dan Abrams brought this up, and Dershowitz dismissed it immediately as too attenuated and far-fetched. Well, we will see what evidence Bob Mueller has.

And, I agree with R532 that Dershowitz is making political arguments dressed up as legal arguments to muddy the waters for the deplorables.

R540 Dershowitz supported Hillary Clinton. Sometime after Trump was elected, Dersh "happened to be" in Mar a Lago. Trump sought him out, asked him a couple legal questions, and it's like Dersh was star struck. It was after that he started commenting on Trump's legal case, probably hoping Trump would hire him, but all the time denying that he supports Trump. Which he didn't. Like I wrote, he just loves the new found attention.

Dershowitz and Trump are connected via Epstein / Lolita Express and their predilection for under aged girls.

Bill Clinton flew with Epstein on that plane many more times than Dersh or Trump and the plane's flight records and passenger lists prove it.

R545 Bill learned his lesson. Trump hasn't.

Trump didn't need to fly on anyone else's plane. He had his own. He had a "modeling agency" and owned international beauty contests. He owned buildings, hotels, private clubs and condos. I'd bet you any amount that he was often "hosting" private gatherings for people like Epstein, Dershowitz and other high rollers.

"Election 2020: Can You Vote for an Honest to God Pimp?"

The passenger lists for Epstein's flights are available online, often including the pilot's checkmark for those who showed up. Trump was a frequent flyer.

^^ And so is Bill Clinton, allegedly. So what?

Are you fucking serious, R550? I guess I just can't figure out why someone would go to such trouble with their trolling and be so adamant about their bullshit but also be so damn bad at it.

Bump because the Meghan Markle threads are crazy busy... why, why, why?

Why is this thread so dead today?

Because nothing’s HAPPENING. So fucking frustrating. Can’t we at least see Corsi led out of his house in handcuffs? SOMETHING?

Sick of the media rambling about everything Trump does, and display the fake alarms and shows of dismay. Instead, why don't they demand from the House and Senate: "What are you going to do about this?" Mitch, et. al., are not pressed to act and just slide..

President Donald Trump's reluctance to hold Saudi leadership accountable for the brutal murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi stemmed from a partly aspirational $110 billion arms deal between the U.S. and Saudia Arabia that was inflated at the direction of Trump's son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner.

Kushner pushed State and Defense officials to inflate the figure with arms exchanges that were aspirational at best. There was a back and forth between Kushner and Department of Defense and State officials on how to get to a larger number because the officials initially told Kushner that realistically they had about $15 billion worth of deals in works.

But even that order has not been fulfilled.

It' been slow because DL was on PT earlier and as pointed out above, there's nothing really going on today.

Trump is a traitor to our country, he is a lowlife criminal and he needs to be in prison.

CREW and 10 former ethics officials from several presidential administrations and government agencies filed an amicus brief supporting Maryland in the state’s motion alleging that Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker’s appointment was illegal. Appointing Whitaker, a non-Senate confirmed employee, far outside the statutory line of succession, is contrary to the AG Succession Act, as well as the Constitution.

Officials who signed the brief have advised agencies about compliance with federal ethics statutes, the Standards of Conduct for Employees of the Executive Branch, and agency-specific ethics regulations. They have also provided ethics advice to presidential nominees undergoing Senate confirmation.

Whitaker has several conflicts of interest that have not yet been explored because he was never confirmed by the Senate, and, as a loyalist to the president, he represents a danger to Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation. As the brief argues, the nation’s top law enforcement officer must undergo the scrutiny of Senate confirmation as a crucial check on presidential maneuverings.

Mueller is busy lint picking while our country falls apart.

Manafort lied to FBI and Special Counsel...just reported on Chris Mathews.

Ruth G. Is adorable. What makes her cheeks puff out like that, I've never seen that in anyone else.

Hate linking to the NYT but they're the only ones who seem to have the story out.

Lindsey Graham is with Trump in Mississippi doing his "love of Kavanaugh" spills campaigning for Hyde-Smith.

That extreme infatuation with Kavanaugh, who is already confirmed several weeks ago; and presenting Kavanaugh as a victim that must be vindicated, and vicious reprisals must be delivered to Democrats, is way beyond over the top.

It sounds like a sexual fixation.

[quote]That extreme infatuation with Kavanaugh

Funny, Kav does seem like the kind of dick that the Senatrice would lose her shit for.

Why is he even talking about Kavanaugh when no one else is? Wouldn't it be better if people just forgot all about him?

Because Donald cannot simply have a (qualified) victory, like his election of Kavanaugh on the bench. He's got to make sure it's the biggest win in the history of winning.

R572 He's reminding people Kavanaugh will save his fat ass. Kavanaugh is his get out of jail Trump card.

I really need whatever pics or vids they have of him to get released.

OT but I caught the moron answering a few questions before boarding an aircraft. They asked him about GM closing plants and layoffs. So unhappy. But he kept saying that “GM can’t sell the Chevy Cruze. No one wants to buy the Chevy Cruze. They can’t sell the Chevy Cruze.”

Over and over again. “They need to make another car in Ohio that sells.” Well, who would want to buy that car after he destroyed the car’s reputation. He’s really quite dumb.

But he's the most brilliant dumb dumb there ever was!

Not just the most brilliant dumb-dumb ever, Dump is a VERY STABLE GENIUS!

[quote]—Who all are admiring the emperor's new clothes?

KAC looks like she does.

Then again, she looks like she likes to have her mouth right at his shitter.

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A new thread has been started, but we really should finish this one as well.

Mueller Investigation related: Come on Mueller! Indict somebody already!

For everyone keeping track, tomorrow marks 37 days until the next Congress. The current Congress, overall, has only 14 days left until their Christmas break (the House concludes a day earlier than the Senate).

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