American Horror Story: Apocalypse - Part Three

Can someone please clearly explain what was presented this week in episode 5? I’m completely confused and on the verge of not giving a shit.

R1. Have you.seen any other episodes or been following the stories. It is hard to explain one episode when it includes seven years of character and plot twists.

It would help if you explain what you are confused about r1.

In a nutshell, this is what you needed to take from this episode.

Cordelia has vision of apocalyptic future.

Cordelia allows Michael to do 7 wonders.

Cheyenne Jackson goes to warn Cordelia about Michael. He is murdered by head warlock, Kathy Bates and Michael.

Michael easily passes 7 wonders and rescues Misty from hell for Cordelia.

We find out Cordelia already has suspicions about Michael, she just wanted to see how powerful he was and get Misty back.

Cordelia sends Madison to Murder House to investigate Michael's backstory.

Also to join in on the best season talk from the end of the last thread, "Asylum" is the best for me. And among the core fanbase of the show "Asylum" is most favored season, it generally tops those polls. Coven is the pop culture favorite, definitely the shows "biggest" season.

Coven had the nicest set though. I loved that house.

What was the point of having Stevie Nicks show up to sing? And what is the deal with her and Misty?

If you didn't see "Coven" you wouldn't know. Nicks is a "white witch" who Misty was obsessed with.

Plus she had an even more embarrassing cameo in Coven where she croaked out "7 Wonders" while the Coven girls were preparing to do their test.

The Stevie Nicks embarrassment was the worst thing I've ever seen, and I've watched AHS from the beginning.

My ranking:

1. Season one, which wasn’t called murder house when it aired. It was mysterious and playful and creepy and stylish.

2. Asylum. Genuinely disturbing. The nutso, meandering plot annoyed me though.

3. This one because I don’t hate it.

4. Coven because it was good until the witches started dying but not being dead, which ruined it.

5. Roanoke—watched a few episodes and it didn’t hold my interest.

6. Freak show—too much gross-out shit. Stopped watching halfway through the season.

7. Cult—Paulson’s screaming made me turn off the first episode. Annoying, not scary at all.

8. Hotel—Turned off the first episode during an unscary but sickening rape scene.

9, 10, 11, 12–were there others? I think I tried every season and all after coven were unwatchable.

Horror as a genre rarely scares me. And I don’t like any stories without good...stories. The title of the series is misleading. American? OK. Horror? Rarely. Story? Hardly ever.

[quote]American? OK. Horror? Rarely. Story? Hardly ever.

Okay, I chuckled you bitch.

The real question, will the show somehow contrive Dylan McDermott to be naked in his appearance next Wednesday?

It would be silly, but appropriate since he spent half of Murder House naked. It is one of the calling cards of that season.

I actually like this season.

[quote] Can someone please clearly explain what was presented this week in episode 5?

Sarah Poulson had a vision of the coven school in New Orleans after the atomic blast. Everyone was dead, and she was being eaten alive by zombies while a mysterious figure watched.

Then she wakes up. It's still a few months before the nuclear war. Emma Roberts' bitchy character has been brought back from the dead by MIchael Langdon, and Poulson is so impressed she tells the warlocks she is ready to give Langdon the new test of the Seven Wonders to see if he really is the new Supreme. She reveals to Frances Conroy her powers are fading and that her body is weirdly turning into a metallic crystalline substance.

Cheyenne Jackson is furious Michael Langdon is being given this chance. He has a big fight with Billy Porter and rushes off to check on something about Michael he hopes to find out of town. At the gas station he is killed by Kathy Bates, who first gains his confidence and then ambushes him, cutting his throat and then dousing him with gasoline and setting him on fire. We find she is in cahoots with the head Filipino warlock, who was not going to let Jackson blow their coven's chance to have the first male Supreme. We also find out Michael put Kathy Bates up to this murder.

Michael passes the Seven Wonders with flying colors. For his last test he must go to hell and bring back Lily Rabe, who was last seen forced to spend eternity dissecting frigs in her high school science class (which she hated to do more than anything). Mchael goes to hell and instead dissects Lily's science teacher, and brings her back to Earth, reconstituting her body from dust. Michael is tagged to be the next Supreme.

Sarah Poulson explains to the other witches she has no intention of letting Michael become the next Supreme; she only gave him the test to find the extent of his powers, which are incredible. Misty says she wishes she had not been brought back from hell because Michael is pure evil. For no clear reason, Stevie Nicks is brought in by Poulson to croak out a song of inspiration to Lily Rabe. She proceeds to bore the entire viewing audience blind for several minutes by doing so., even though she does look great for her advanced age

Poulson has a new plan to combat Michael. Emma Roberts must go to Los Angeles to find out the place where he is from: the Murder House from season One. Emma Roberts asks Poulson if she is afraid Roberts's real sympathies are with Michael since he brought her back from hell, but Poulson responds Roberts' only loyalty is ever with Roberts herself. Billy Porter will go with her to Los Angeles.

Gabourey Sidibe is in many scenes involving the witches, for no clear reason--she has practically no lines. Cody Fern continues to look pretty as Michael but to impress no one with his acting. We also find out Coco the bitchy rich girl from the first three episodes this season had been a student at the New Orleans coven school before the atomic explosion because she has the mysterious magic ability to tell if a food contains gluten, which she downplays but which Poulson says is important because it means she can sense danger.

R14, thank you for explaining. The back and forth time shifts are what I find confusing this season.

The Witches showed up to confront Michael on Halloween after the "apocalypse", everything since that moment is a flashblack explaining how we get to that point. Eventually we will return to that scene.

C'mon man, this is AHS, not Ulysses. It's not that dense.

If I'm correct, there has been exactly 1 time shift this season. From Halloween night to 3 months before the blast.

I think this stuff with a young Michael meeting the Witches/Warlocks has to be more than 3 months before the blast, but I wasn't paying attention if there was anything that gave it a firm date.

I'm guessing Michael killed Constance at Murder House, that's why she'll be 'stuck' there. They have to bring Vivien and whathisname into the picture, since they're also guesting. The set up might be Michael going to Murder House to visit his 'parents' or something. At any rate, it's fun to speculate. I'm always wrong.

[quote]Gabourey Sidibe is in many scenes involving the witches, for no clear reason--she has practically no lines.

If she wasn't there R14, then people would be wondering where the hell she was. It's not like they could say she was in the bathroom all episode.

She's also still currently on another TV series, "Empire" on Fox. Based upon Ryan Murphy's and her own Instagram she's popping back and forth between both sets working on both shows. So they probably will give her little to do and have her disappear at some point for a while.

[quote] The set up might be Michael going to Murder House to visit his 'parents' or something. At any rate, it's fun to speculate. I'm always wrong.

Constance warned Dr. Harmon that Michael must never return to Murder House back in their season after he was born. Madison and Billy Porter are going there next episode.

I wonder if at some point this "warning" will come into play, especially since the other side of Michael's "soul" is still in the house as Vivian's baby who died.

I’ll just wait til next year. American Horror Story: Grand Maul Seizure

I don't know why,but I like Michael's silent giggle during the 7 Wonders montage. And I like the relationship between Michael and Kathy Bates' character.

I like when Madison said, "You know I'm not the hugging type, right?" and Cordelia responded, "Tough shit!" Madison had this cute little smile on her face.

I guess I am the only one who liked Cody's performance. Apparently I know nothing about acting.

I like his performance, too r24

This may be a stupid question but when Madison and the other guy meet Billie Dean, wouldn't they be like 'Are you Cordelia's twin sister?' . That's why I think it is stupid to connect the storylines from different seasons, each one should be in a totally different world. Not to mention the different forms of magic and beliefs from different cultures could not exist and be real in the same universe.

R26, it's a good question because it so rarely happens.

We know from Hotel they don't look alike to them in the same universe.

Queenie from AHS: Coven was on AHS: Hotel and ran into Iris, Ramona, March and Liz Taylor but she didn't think they looked like Delphine, Marie, Kyle or Spaulding.

Especially Cordelia and Billie Dean since the only difference between them is hair length and maybe a slight shade difference in hair color.

Will Constance be a ghost next week?

Myrtle: Time and time again history has shown the hubris of men knows no bounds. Have we learned nothing from Attila the Hun, Herod the Great, MARK ZUCKERBERG?

I'd rather that they'd send Taissa Fermiga back to murder house instead of Emma Roberts but I guess that Taissa has to play Violet and couldn't do double duty. Emma's bitchy girl act (I realize that it's consistent with her character) has gotten boring.

It had to be Emma Roberts, because all the other witches are either played by actresses who've been in Murder House (Lily Rabe, for example) or cannot be seen by Michael (Billie Lourd, Leslie Grossmann) or else he would've recognized them right away when he arrived at the bunker.

That's certainly one thing they continue to do R32.

They killed Ms. Meade right before Cordelia arrived and if Billie Dean is coming back next episode Cordelia can't be in the same location as her or else

r33....It was Ms. Veneble, not Ms. Meade. Ms. Meade is the android.

R34 …… oh I'm so fucking sorry I can't keep track of 900 fucking characters in multiple seasons played by the same actors over and over again

The scene described by R30 made me truly laugh out loud. I love that character and how Frances Conroy plays her. That line was hilarious.

I didn't watch Coven so a lot of this makes no sense, it keeps jumping around so.

[quote]Are you really asking why Cheyenne would come back [R566]? He is happy to do whatever Murphy wants, this is by far the biggest thing going in his career.

He's a working actor, why would you think he could just turn down work at a whim?

Some of us actually enjoyed Stevie. And she wasn't there for nothing, she was there to comfort Misty who just got out of Hell.

“How come Billie Dean and Cordelia have the same baby lisp?”

Gabourey Sidibe is there to show off her weight loss.

Shes still overweight but it's great that Sidibe lost the weight that she has. I'm sure her health has improved.

Yeah hopefully she keeps it off. It's progress that she is "normal" fat now, instead absurdly fat.

Whatever happened to Patti LuPone's hot son, Luke, from Coven?

Pati smothered him with a pillow in the hospital, so he wouldn't snitch on her for killing his father.

As if Patti could ever give birth to a hot and sexy son.

I'm rooting for Team Michael. These witches all ended up in hell and derive their power from the dark side. It is about time that gay warlocks Trump cunty women.

Yes that Nick's cameo was so corny. I'm surprised that Murphy hasn't asked NeNe to make a cameo yet....

I just can't get past how bad/campy it is. They're throwing so much shit into it, forcing everything. Stevie Nicks showing up and singing made me want to bury my head in the sofa, it was so bad and beneath her, so painfully cheesy. Not even campy in a funny way.

Is this the final season? Are they attempting to be campy and just missing it? The queen playing the supreme warlock may have been good on the Versace series, but he's absurd here. Even every scene Kathy Bates is in is cringe-worthy.

What am I missing? I usually love it. Is it me just not getting it?

35 has stated his boundaries

[quote]It is about time that gay warlocks Trump cunty women.

You're soooooooooooo gay.

Gabourey Sidibe always looks so greasy

A fan theory suggests Constance is a witch with limited powers. She had the ability to see things, and apparently mentioned at the end of S1 that she's related to the DeLongpre family. There's also the question of why none of the ghosts in Murder House never touched her, especially when some would have wanted to take revenge on her (ex husband, Moria). Everyone else who owned the house was murdered. The question, though, is why she couldn't use her visions or powers to save Tate or Addie.

Also, the fact that she can see and interact with the ghosts in the house.

Stevie's AHS performance of "Gypsy" is incredible!!!!!!!

BEAUTIFUL!!!!!

Wait, R47-I thought Nene is playing the warlock that goes to Murder House with Madison-am I wrong?

Yeah, I don't mind Cody's acting. I don't think it's the worst I've ever seen on this show - surely, it's better than Gaga's, and she won a bloody award.

The worst thing about this season is that you seem to need an encyclopaedic knowledge of previous seasons to have a clue what's going on. Just a teeny bit of exposition wouldn't go amiss.

Good point.

Evan is my favorite.

American Horror Story: Ryan Murphy.

R52 Very good theory. I always felt she was psychic and before Lange requested that Sarah Paulson be written a part in season 1, I always imagined Billie Dean Howard having been developed from/given some of Constance's scenes/psychic ability.

I loved this week's episode. My favorite in a long while.

r52..."perceiving things" is not the same as seeing into the future.

[quote]different forms of magic and beliefs from different cultures could not exist and be real in the same universe.

Why not? Don't Voodoo, charismatic Christianity, and Taoism all exist together on one planet?

R63 - 'limited' powers. Online fans were giving examples - one was when she mentioned to Ben something about digging up the yard, building a gazebo and him and Vivien having coffee on it. She either had a vision, or maybe placed the idea in his head. Same with when Ben was sleepwalking and who was there - Constance. She may have had a vision of what was going to happen, or maybe was casting some spell. It might be nothing - again - just a bunch of fan theories - nothing to get uptight about. I guess we'll see this Wednesday.

I totally believe that r52....I was just stating that maybe her powers are limited to just perceiving supernatural entities and thats it. The other possibility is that Michael killed her in the house and shes trapped there also....I think shes just visiting the house and the occupants like she always does.

Does anyone know Cody Fern is gay or bi?

On the show I think he is whatever works for his character r67 In "real life" I'm 99.99 percent sure he is gay. But what does it really matter?

Cody's not gay, but his boyfriend sure is.

Still can't believe Cody is a top.. His boyfriend is a TOTAL bottom, he probably masturbates by shoving things up his butt

If Constance was able to see in the future she wouldn't have had the mongoloid.

When Cordelia stated that she had all her girls back, I thought about Nan. Though Papa Legba took her to a place with others like her, Cordelia never considered her one of her girls.

Nan was never accepted because of her disability.

Oh dear. R67 is new here.

Every new male actor on this show performs The Seven Wonders. The ceremony is always being held at Ryan Murphy's house.

Who is "Nan"...?

I wonder if Cody’s hole is as hairy as his brother’s is. I think I found his bf’s Grindr profile. Says he’s a top. Would explain things.

r77

show us

Who is Cody's brother? Can't find his name anywhere.

What the fuck? Who is Cody's brother? Show us his pics, his grindr, his social media and his hairy hole. ASAP!

He was talked about a lot in the Versace threads. I don't have the links offhand.

Why is Precious there when she was killed at the hotel?

Why is r82 confused about something that was very clearly depicted in the show?

The biggest logic error for me in the last episode was the big deal they made about changing up the 7th Wonder where Michael was asked to go to hell and retrieve Misty. Um, he just did it with Emma Roberts' character, idiots... He could have just shown the receipts.

R83, I think he just wanted to refer to her as “Precious” for some reason.

Well Madison died normally r84, Misty died as part of the Descensum test. They said during Coven if you die during descensum you can't be resurrected, which is why Misty wasn't brought like so many other characters were that season.

Thanks [r86]. I missed that.

But we didn't see Michael's hell (biggest fear) which he had to overcome first before he was able to rescue Misty, right?

True, we never saw Michael overcoming his hell. Though would he even be given a hell? I mean his "father" is Satan.

I thought show was portraying that Michael just went down there and found Misty in hers. He's the antichrist so hell would be welcoming to him.

He didn't have to overcome his personal hell. Cordelia said to him :"I'm not asking you to perform, I'm asking you to conquer it."

Cody’s Brother.

For real r92? Ew!

Mmmm... I would toss his salad.

There are so many characters here and I miss watching the other series. Who is Constance? I don't mind this season. I like Cody Fern's acting and he is perfect for this role as his eyes are a very striking, like headlights.

It's funny how all the men in the future are gay except for that one young guy. How are they supposed to procreate? It takes more than one fuck to make a woman pregnant.

Constance was Jessica Lange's character from Murder House.

This season was promoted as a crossover between Coven and Murder House. If you never saw the past seasons you knew you wouldn't understand everything that is going on.

They kind of dropped the two kids who were supposed to procreate storyline. Fine by me as both of them were total duds with zero chemistry. Didn't they get killed off?

Yeah they are dead r97, everyone was poisoned. They might get revived at some point, who knows, right now we are still in flashback time.

The episode this week is 55 minutes without commercials, about 15 minutes longer than their normal episodes.

Hope they bring back this JGL/Josh Harnett looking hottie. And somehoe make him fuck Evan Peters.

I never saw both Coven and Murder House but i'm still able to follow the storyline so far. i guess its because i got convinced but most that the writers are just making story as they go along. lol.

I rewatched Coven recently and Madison's hell was described differently. I forget what it was, but she wasn't a retail clerk. But Queenie's hell was the same. Why would they change one and keep the other?

Madison died twice. Was her hell the same both times? And if she had already been to hell and back, wouldn't she change her ways to avoid going back?

That was Madison's personal hell when she performed Descensum during The Seven Wonders. Her actual hell after death is different.

[quote]I rewatched Coven recently and Madison's hell was described differently. I forget what it was, but she wasn't a retail clerk.

R102, The first time Madison died she went to a cold, dark, place. She didn't go to hell. It's the same place Kyle went when he died. No one knows what that is but Donovan, in his season, died outside of the hotel and his spirit told his mother that he was in a happy place. Wherever he went is not the same place they went but none of them went to hell.

The second time she "died" during the Seven Wonders she went to her own personal hell during Descensum. She did that under her own power. That hell just repeats over and over again.

The third time she died "naturally" (not under her own power) and went to another kind of hell.

[quote]But Queenie's hell was the same. Why would they change one and keep the other?

The first time Queenie died was after fucking the Minotaur. She didn't mention going to hell. Fiona used Vitalum Vitalis and brought her back.

The second time Queenie died when she was shot by the witch hunters and she didn't go to hell. She used Resurgence and brought herself back.

The third time Queenie died it was because she used Descensum , she did it on purpose to talk to Papa Legba but came back to her body. That was her personal hell.

Then fourth time Queenie used Descensum was during the Seven Wonders and again visited her personal hell but got out rather quickly because she'd done it before.

Then the fifth time Queenie died, she did it in the Cortez so her spirit just stayed there.

[italic]The difference seems to be that if you die naturally, you can possibly go to a good place, go to hell (which doesn't seem to repeat) or not go anywhere. If you use Descensum, you'll always go to your own personal hell no matter what kind of person you are because the purpose of your spell is to send yourself there. Regular hell doesn't seem to do that.[/italic]

Thank you so much to those who takes the time to explain things for those of us who missed Coven. Otherwise I know I would be utterly lost. But now I can actually understand and enjoy this season.

R84.. In Coven, when Madison killed Misty by putting her in a coffin and then having her sealed in the crypt, Queenie was able to bring her back using Vitalum Vitalis. But later... when doing the Seven Wonders, Queenie was disqualified because she couldn't bring Zoe back. It makes no sense to me either, but at least Ryan Murphy and company are being consistent in whatever rules there are.

R83 R85 because I haven’t watched it yet, dumbasses.

So reading a thread on AHS makes total sense, R108.

THANK YOU R109 ! Fucking hell r108 who is the dumbass here?

[quote]But later... when doing the Seven Wonders, Queenie was disqualified because she couldn't bring Zoe back. It makes no sense to me either, but at least Ryan Murphy and company are being consistent in whatever rules there are.

R107, they did explain it in the show.

During times of crisis a witch's powers can spike or they could suddenly demonstrate other witch powers. During the season they all randomly gained powers outside of their normal powerset as the season went on and things got crazier.

That's why Queenie could bring Misty back earlier but couldn't bring Zoe back later on or why Cordelia couldn't heal her eyes when she was blinded earlier but could at the end of the season when she had to step up and become Supreme.

The Seven Wonders was about showing who could do it on the spot. So it didn't matter if the witches could do something before, they had to be able to do it during the test.

[quote]'American Horror Story’ Star Cheyenne Jackson on Jessica Lange’s Return: ‘She’s the Queen’

[quote]Get ready for Jessica Lange‘s return to “American Horror Story.”

[quote]“Next week Jessica Lange comes back, and that was very exciting for all of us. People that weren’t even in the scenes were just dropping by and watching the master at work,” “AHS” actor Cheyenne Jackson told Variety at Saturday’s Point Awards at the Beverly Hilton Hotel. “She’s the queen.”

Damn, Jessica Lange is still considered the Queen of AHS nearly four years after her departure. Her powah! This episode might just end up garnering the show it's highest ratings since her exit.

Hopefully, they've done right by Constance Langdon (and Fiona Goode) or it won't be a pretty look come Wednesday night/Thursday morning.

R110 Its a ridiculous fucking show and the witch season was unwatchable. I couldn’t imagine seriously talking about it like you pumpkin spice latte queens are. You should just answer the fucking question as to why gabby fatass isn’t a spirit at the hotel. I did watch that one. What else you need to say. Little bitch.

Hotel and Roanoake are good. Cult sucked. Any man that liked Coven season is a total flame. Total. It was ALL fish.

Dying from fucking a Minotaur is pretty fucking funny, though.

Coven will always be the best season. It was LIT.

This sounds too complicated, like Ryan Murphy makes up these "rules" as he goes along. I never got into AHS, I'm only watching Apocalypse because I'm bored and Cody Fern is beautiful.

R117 He makes the rules every fucking season, none of i makes any real sense and plot holes are huge, but more trouble is you wanting to fuck Fern Gully, that slut has zero talent for acting but obviously can suck a mean dick

How long has Fern been away from Australia? His accent isn't very strong.

Such nastiness.

[quote]The second time Queenie died when she was shot by the witch hunters and she didn't go to hell. She used Resurgence and brought herself back.

I thought she blew her brains out to kill the witch hunter and being the human voodoo she is, she just healed right up instantaneously after it was done.

[quote]I thought she blew her brains out to kill the witch hunter and being the human voodoo she is, she just healed right up instantaneously after it was done.

Her power only works if she's focusing on who she wants to hurt first. She got shot before that by Hank when she wasn't focusing on him. So he didn't take that damage, she did.

She then figured, what the hell, focused on Hank as a last ditch attempt to stop him and blew her own brains out. It worked. That would have healed, the wound wouldn't have.

The next time we see her she's healed and pissed at Marie because she left her body there. Marie responds that she thought she was dead so she split.

That spawned this GIF which was everywhere that year.

Season finale is being filmed at the moment. They'll be done with the filming by the end of the last week.

[quote] How long has Fern been away from Australia? His accent isn't very strong.

You must be hearing impaired.

You all know the reason Stevie Nicks keeps coming back is because Misty is the baby she aborted after Don Henley got her pregnant.

Only 10 episodes r123, weird to think we are halfway done with the season.

I've seen Jessica's dailies online last month. Her speech is going to blow your heads off!

Sure r127, I’ll play along... because if it’s as amazing as everything else scripted this season... lmao.

You saw them online r127, but somehow nobody else has ?

To close out a question upthread, Nan was one of the witches in Coven... and in her powers hardly disabled.

Is this going to be another fake feminism/gender inequality season like Cult?

Still annoyed Nan wasn't brought back. She was pretty powerful. She could read minds which could've been a huge advantage for the Witches if she was revived. She had other powers too. She made Patti Lupone kill herself by drinking bleach.

Someone for reasons I don't know started a whole nother thread about this, but Jessica Lange was spotted filming today. So it seems she will appear in the finale as well.

R133 because It's the most important thing about this shitshow.

It is inevitable there has to be time travel to fix the Apocalypse from happening, probably prevent Michael from ever being born. Considering "it is all connected" it is the only way the universe works.

I'm guessing her scene in the finale is connected to that.

She should have come back as Fionna in the finale.....That would have been perfect.

R136 Yeah, but instead they'll probably throw in a 10 Sarah Paulson character because, you know, the world is screaming for more of that.

I know it’s not the current season, but I’ve been watching episodes of “Coven” and “Asylum,” and Lily Rabe really is the most underrated of the AHS stable. I like Sarah Paulson more than most, but Rabe could have done wonders with some of her lead roles.

(And because of DL, I will always think of how we made her name into a verb in “Asylum.”)

I also am a Lily Rabe fan. She's who I remember most often from the Asylum season.

Asylum also had James Cromwell and Joseph Fiennes, neither one ever returned after that season.

It was a stacked cast.

[quote]Still annoyed Nan wasn't brought back. She was pretty powerful. She could read minds which could've been a huge advantage for the Witches if she was revived. She had other powers too. She made Patti Lupone kill herself by drinking bleach.

It makes sense that she wasn't brought back even beyond the idea that she could read Michael's mind would have meant he could have never gotten that close to the witches in the first place.

Besides the fact that she is in a happy place because she was "mostly" innocent, Michael probably couldn't go toe-to-toe with Papa Legba to get her.

Finally, her last words before leaving the series were clear so it's unlikely she'd even want to come back.

I don’t think James Cromwell liked working on the show, and Fiennes had a nothing role (and I think he was first billed!) so it’s no surprise he didn’t return either.

R141, Jamie Brewer is coming back this season. I assume it’s as Nan, but I do know Brewer has filmed for the show.

James Cromwell won an Emmy for his role on AHS....Im sure hes gotten over it.

What time tomorrow is the episode going to be available on FX+?

I just want Jessica Lange to come back as Fiona Goode don’t give a shit about anything else really.

Does anyone think the Apocalypse storyline will derail this season? Those freak creatures from the blasts I bet will become centerpieces to the season. And the season will unravel into silliness. What the fuck was the point of Coco’s husband coming back and killing her.

Rumor is, FX seriously wants Lange in lead next year. . Nothing worked out or solidified yet.

This and whatever other episode Lange appears in may not be available before it airs because of reasons.

Episode 6 is reportedly up.

[quote]What time tomorrow is the episode going to be available on FX+?

I believe episodes are released at 3am EST.

This show needs more Billy Eichner

omfg. Constance is everything.

"I'm Constance Langdon and this is my fucking house."

I ahted episode 6. Constance was the best thing about it.

You ahted it?

Queen is back to being STUNNING.

At least Moira got her happy ennding, she can rest. Violet and Tate got back together thanks to Madison. Constance is probably happy spending eternity with her kids.Billie Dean Howard is such a useless character. Cody was especially annoying in this one. Ugh. But Paulson did a wonderful job directing this episode, maybe that's her true calling.

....yes, please spoil the damn episode for everyone r155. Ugh.

And Violet and Tate apparently reuniting is terrible fan service that ruins the whole point of their season 1 arc. It was all about turning the bad boy with a heart of gold cliche on its head, having Violet realize Tate is a terrible person and she deserves better. It was a good job by Murphy.

Oh cut the crap and get back to Evan Peters naked ass. Thank you.

Is Constance dead or alive ?

She dead

Constance killed herself in the house to get away from Michael Langdon.

Ryan Murphy Tweet today...

Ryan Murphy ‏Verified account @MrRPMurphy 4h4 hours ago

The entire cast of AMERICAN HORROR STORY will be tweeting along LIVE with tonight's RETURN TO MURDER HOUSE episode to support the directorial debut of the one and only Ms Sarah Paulson. Join us and support our Supreme! #AHSApocalypse

I dropped out when this became Coven Redux.

Is it still that way or have all the bitchy witchies mercifully been exterminated?

[quote]Jamie Brewer is coming back this season. I assume it’s as Nan, but I do know Brewer has filmed for the show.

R142, I heard that too a long time ago. Since we know they do return to Murder House at some point again in the future even after this episode - it could easily be as Addie (especially if there is time travel involved.) There is another reason why it might be her and not Nan but I don't want to spoil this week's episode.

[quote]It was all about turning the bad boy with a heart of gold cliche on its head, having Violet realize Tate is a terrible person and she deserves better. It was a good job by Murphy.

They explain that in this week's episode R156 or rather they ... you'll just have to watch the episode.

Does Dylan get naked?

Is Constance a witch?

Is Madison related to Charles and Nora? I'm assuming no Infantata since the actor is dead.

Addie died OFF the property....so she cant be a ghost. Remember, Constance tried to drag her onto the property so she would still be there, but she died before they got there.

Not to mention Billie Dean channeled Addie and thanked her for not getting her back on the property to make her a ghost since she was terrified of Tate now, that in death, she knew the truth.

They will have to destroy the house at the end of this episode or at least the end of the season, right? I want to see Emma Roberts get thrown through a wall.

Constance is BACK!

[quote]Addie died OFF the property....so she cant be a ghost.

Why would she be a ghost if the episode took place before she died since the show is about stopping the Anti-Christ, her nephew?

We know that wasn't Jessica's only episode.

It's just telling they pretend as if Nan didn't exist but Addie caught a very specific mention explaining who she was.

Dousing all the AHS queens emphatically shrieking Lange would *ONLY* be in one ep as if they knew it for a fact with copious gasoline. Burn, Balenciaga, burn!

Huh r170? People were just passing on what was said.

Nobody *BUT* the AHS queens were saying Lange would only be in one ep. Paulson merely said Lange's first appearance was in Episode Six and they ran for a touchdown and decried that she would absolutely not be in any more every time anyone else posited that perhaps she would be doing more than that. Read the first two threads, R171. Either way, huzzah! The baddest witch is back.

Fiona is back???

Tearjerker

Oof

"I'm going upstairs and masterbate like I do every fucking night". Snap!

[quot]Fiona is back???

As far as we know, Jessica Lange has only filmed as Constance. But who knows, there could be a surprise in the season.

YEAH!

[quote]"I'm going upstairs and masterbate like I do every fucking night". Snap!

Bringing back Dylan McDermott masturbate-crying from the pilot of this series. It was a thing he did once, not an addiction, but I don't mind the fanservice in that case.

I can't even enjoy hate watching it anymore. This show is just garbage.

It's glorious watching real pros.

Yet you will still be here every episode, for every season to come r179.

Paulson's doing a great job directing

So how did the Supreme blood get in McDermott's and his wife baby? Was it an immaculate conception?

It was Tate, not McDermott, and Connie Nielsen who conceived Michael r183. And Tate was dead and it should have been impossible for him to have a kid. Thus the "miracle" of Michael's birth, rather than an immaculate conception he was born from death.

And he is not actually a witch, he just has devil power, surely you have picked up on this.

So, as none of the uber fans have been coming here to jism, safe to assume the episode was OK, but not earth shattering?

I watched it earlier r185, it is a perfectly nice ep. It was of course great to see Jessica Lange and one moment in particular she reminds you why she is an acting legend, but the episode as a whole was nothing amazing to me. And Constance features less than you might think.

R186 No, i presumed she would be in it fuck all.

I will say I thought Cody Fern did his best work of the season in this ep. He seemed more comfortable digging in, probably since Michael was more of a three dimensional character when he was this young, rather than EVIL!!!11!

The Harmons are still at each others throats?

Pepper!

You can see how fat Cody Fern is in that suit. Boy needs to hit a gym. Geez.

And when is the last time you were as "fat" as Cody Fern? 1996?

Did Sarah Paulson make these awful music choices?

Loved the episode. Enjoy the interaction between Emma Roberts and Billy Porter and how they played therapists to the ghosts. Also loved the return of Jessica Lange. Hopefully the last 4 episodes are spectacular seeing as how we've spent the first 3 episodes with a mostly dummy cast, and the next 3 episodes doing an amazing, but very long flashback.

Naomi Grossman's character for some reason reminded me of a satanic Liza Minelli.

Who did Grossman play?

I'm so confused about the timeline.

This episode was perfection! Finally, after all the shitty years since Freakshow.

Constance's mysterious "4th" child was a son with albinism whose scenes were completely deleted from the 1st season and yet he's been ret-conned into an eyeless Jon-Benet Ramsey.

It's not a retcon when that character was never actually in the show, we never met Constance's 4th child til this ep r198.

I don't think that was Constance's fourth child - just a child who died in the house that she sort of 'adopted'.

The two weakest moments in the episode were the Black Dahlia cameo and the Anton LaVey subplot. As it is, the show asks a lot of its viewers to keep up with all its in-series mythology, so bringing in the Murphified versions of those two real (deceased) people just seemed like clutter and better left to the likes of "American Crime Story." (The Dahlia storyline was handled better on "Murder House.")

Tonight, watching Michael cutting the Dahlia a smile, I thought: are we in a Batman movie now?

And anyway, LaVeyan Satanism doesn't venerate the devil, so including the whole "I am the Black Pope and I faked my death to usher the Antichrist" bit about the fictional LaVey just made it seem like the writer (Crystal Liu) was going for a quick, clever real-world connection. It pulled me out of an episode that was up to that point a nicely paced reunion with the "Murder House" revenants. Kathy Bates remains the best thing on the show. Who needs Anton LaVey when you have a Satanist Mater Magna cum android?

This is without a doubt the best season of AHS ever. Ryan Murphy outdid himself with Apocalypse.

Sarah Brightman is getting the Emmy next year.

I thought the most pointless cameo was Billie Dean r201.

Forgot about that, r203. Couldn't they at least do something to differentiate the characters? Give Billie Dean a Myrtle wig or something?

This is the second show about a haunted house I’ve watched this week - both ruined with a happy ending. 🤢

The Tate/Violet reunion was incredibly forced and unnecessary r205.

How do you have the beautiful "I was born to be a mother" writing and that plotlines writing in the same episode. Oh AHS.

[quote] This is without a doubt the best season of AHS ever. Ryan Murphy outdid himself with Apocalypse.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The Tate/Violet ending was a gift to the fans...a lot of fraus hated that they were apart at the end of Murder House.

I was surprised Lily Rabe did not reprise Nora Montgomery. She seemed like she should have been in this ep.

Hmmmm....Papa Legba is back next week....possibly Nan coming back ?....or Fionna ?

r209.....Good point....her husband the Dr wasnt in the episode either, although Billie Dean knew who Madison was and that said she knew several Montgomerys.

[quote]Who did Grossman play

The dark, short-haired woman with Anton LaVey.

[quote]I'm so confused about the timeline.

We're still in flashbacks, pre- Apocalypse. The show has to get back to the timeline when Madison, et al woke up their "sisters".

Did Constance utter any racist lingo?

J proved TV can be a viable medium for actresses of a certain age with the mettle to make it work. Anticipating our Emmy wins next year. She is my favorite performer, after all (sorry G).

The CGI in these episodes is embarrassing. It's like animated GIFs, or lulz...flash.

[quote]The Tate/Violet reunion was incredibly forced and unnecessary

I agree but they did set up the reasoning well enough so that I guess it makes some sense.

I can believe that: Tate's not evil but was troubled, he's getting counseling and improving, he didn't father Michael & the "House" was making everything in it do bad things but stopped after the baby was born.

I can believe that Tate saving Vivian from complete destruction at the hands of Michael, thus leading Violet to talk to him after not doing so for years is possible.

I just don't get them making out at the end as if he wasn't a mass murderer before he died but I guess she deserved a chance to be happy in death because they're still stuck there?

[quote]Hmmmm....Papa Legba is back next week....possibly Nan coming back ?....or Fionna ?

The preview for next week had a tiny laugh at the end. It could be Nan, Fiona or no one we know at all. Then again it could be from 3 episodes from now or not in the episode at all. Who the hell knows anymore?

im only there for cody and evan

the bitches are starting to wear my nerves...

The 15-minute Jessica Lange monologue...Zzzzzz. I know people here want any excuse to put her on the show, and that qualifies as “any excuse.”

And what are we supposed to think when Paulson plays two roles, one as the queen of witches and one as a realtor, and both look and sound alike but characters supposedly see one as their boss and can’t even recognize the barest resemblance between the two?

Some of the shit on this show could be so easy to resolve by doing one thing: make it about the story and not about worship of your favorite actors. Good God.

[quote]Hmmmm....Papa Legba is back next week....possibly Nan coming back ?....or Fionna ?

More like Cordelia selling her soul for immortality.

Loved the pan across Fern’s sweaty ass lying on the bed. He looked ripe for plowing.

That close-up on Connie Britton was a little Kellyanne Conwayish.

The first episode of the season was “The End.” After that, all thr survivors died on Halloween night. Then came:

-Three witches (did they die during the course of the series?)

-Madison (from hell, dead)

-Gabourey (from hell hotel, dead)

-Warlocks, pre-apocalypse (alive?)

-Murder house people (all dead)

Seems like just about everyone is dead. Which makes sense given the apocalypse setting. Is the whole post-apocalypse scenario just a more expansive hell that will end with “The End” again? Is this all just leading up to explain how the nukes came to be—orchestrated by Michael Langdon or perhaps in an effort to exterminate him from Earth?

Missed opportunity:

Madison bitchiness vs. Hayden cuntiness

I thought the episode was great.

I wonder if Madison's little good deed in the end is going to have some kind of future benefit, or if it was just done to make the fans happy.

I wonder what the story is with Jamie (Nan / Adelaide) - maybe she couldn't come back for some reason. On other boards, she has a big fan base and people liked her characters. They brought everyone else back.

I wonder if these two are even going to make it back to Cordelia at all.

Ok I don't know why I started 3 consecutive sentences with "I wonder" - i am up way too late.

So the boring multi racial couple with the chemistry of a roach motel in the first couple of episodes ended up being worth nothing to the show? Good?

Is this show supposed to be actually scary? The satanic cult people wearing black and red Halloween capes is just so silly. I think gay men are creative and great at a lot of things, but the team behind this show makes me feel like they’re just way too whimsical and fabulously flamboyant to make anything truly horrific. They do grotesque, violent, etc., but it never has any gravitas. Is that by design or is this the best they can do?

Taissa Farmiga looks 35. It was uncomfortable watch her pretending to be 15 years old.

R202 You are so right, that was amazing TV, it just changed the face of TV now it was so inventive.

And for direction, Sarah Polley is totally winning An Emmy, AMAZING DIRECTION

[quote]The 15-minute Jessica Lange monologue...Zzzzzz.

The woman could read a menu and make it riveting. Isn't there a Kardashian marathon somewhere you might enjoy better?

[quote]And what are we supposed to think when Paulson plays two roles, one as the queen of witches and one as a realtor, and both look and sound alike but characters supposedly see one as their boss and can’t even recognize the barest resemblance between the two?

You're supposed to suspend disbelief and pretend that they are two different people. It is done all the time in theater, and actors like Peter Sellers, Alec Guinness, Mike Myers, etc., have all played multiple characters in a single movie. Use your imagination. Also, Billie Dean Howard is a psychic medium, not a realtor.

R231 They could at least change her GD hair color or something to differentiate them.

I hope they really fuck with everyone's mind and have Lana Winters cover the ELE.

Evan Peters has been doing the best with playing multiple roles this season.

R231 HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH you dumb cunt, like American Horror Story is vaguely comparable to 'Dr Strangelove' or 'Kind Hearts and Coronets'.

"...actors like Peter Sellers, Alec Guinness, Mike Myers, etc."

A "one of these things is not like the others" phrase if I've ever seen one!

To the point that historic figures should be relegated to American Crime Story, this show preceded it and the reason it was called *American* Horror Story in the first place is that the concept was to weave together real-life horrors from US history into a series. After season two, AHS abandoned the “horror” part, substituting it with fantasy or grotesque-but-not-scary imagery. After season three, AHS abandoned the “story” part, mostly just patching together gross-out and weird vignettes into long, incoherent messes. This season has the American and the story parts, so it’s better than its own average. The horrors for me mostly have fallen flat. They try way too hard for “clever” and it completely takes me out of ever being in the moment so that I can get frightened or disturbed. Instead I watch thinking, oh, another bitchy witch joke, oh another gay joke, oh, here comes a “clever twist” on a horror trope. Oh, look, a cameo.

I think there’s a reason most memorable horror movies star (at the time of the movies’ releases) mostly unknown actors. This show is one big calculation about how actors can be repurposed for their amusement and the amusement of the producers.

Wow. People really can't tell the difference between Venable, Cordelia and Billie Dean Howard? I guess I must be some sort of genius!

I know, R238. Billie Dean has messier blonde hair, while Cordelia has smoother blonde hair with a side flip.

Dylan’s face looked sort of lumpy.

Dylan McDermott is 56, he is no spring chicken. He still looks great for his age.

[quote]Dylan McDermott is 56, he is no spring chicken. He still looks great for his age.

He looks better than fortysomething Cheyenne Jackson.

The person who is so confused about the timeline (there has been literally one time jump from Halloween til a couple years beforehand when everyone was meeting Michael) should maybe stick to Real Housewives.

R205 Was it The Haunting Of Hill House? If so, I agree, that ending was the worst.

[quote] It was of course great to see Jessica Lange and one moment in particular she reminds you why she is an acting legend, but the episode as a whole was nothing amazing to me

[quote] The 15-minute Jessica Lange monologue...Zzzzzz

[quote] it seem like the writer (Crystal Liu) was going for a quick, clever real-world connection. It pulled me out of an episode that was up to that point a nicely paced reunion with the "Murder House" revenants

I think it all has to do with this writer. She really sucks, and she clearly doesn't know how to write for the likes of Jessica Lange. EVERYTHING felt so forced.

Given the amount of acting talent contained in this episode, and bringing back so many characters from season one, this episode could have been EPIC. Instead, it was underwhelming.

It was basically a re-tread of their characters from season one, and it brought nothing new to the table. Their characters should have evolved as "ghosts" trapped in a house, but instead it was Jessica drinking Crown Royal and whining about Michael. It was Dylan gratuitously jerking off, and Evan and Taissa still moping about the house.

It also seemed like she went for this dumb "redemption" storyline for the characters. All of a sudden, Tate is a "good guy," and Constance is a "loving mother." Neither of them were those things!

Constance was a mean, bitch! And Tate was a mass murderer. To blame it all on the house as an "evil portal" which influenced Tate's behavior, was insulting.

A GOOD writer would have wrote the hell out of Jessica and Connie Britton reprising their roles, but instead, this writer (Liu), made them boring as hell. Jessica's monologue in particular, put me to sleep. Literally.

I agree that it was so fun to see all the characters back, but the writer didn't do them justice.

I'm enjoying this season, but in retrospect the first few episodes now seem particularly pointless.

This season is a complete mess.

I loved last night's episode just because Murder House is my favorite of the series. We'll see where it goes with this one. It's at least entertaining this season.

I agree. Sara Gilbert was phenomenal.

For a dead woman/un-dead woman/ghost, Vivian has fabulous hair.

Which one was she, R249? The whothefuckevenwasit eyeless girl?

What the fuck is the point of this season???

I'm going out on a limb here, but I think it might be about stopping the antichrist r252....

Joan Collins, Papa Legba and Jamie Brewer alias Nan are appearing in the next episode ;)

[quote]What the fuck is the point of this season???

Entertainment doesn't have to have a point, it just needs to be fabulous and last night episode certainly was.

Can someone refresh my memory?

What happened to Constance's daughter Addie & why wasn't she why her like the other children?? Thanks

Correction-

Why wasn't she with her like the other children?

R256 Run over, died off site so did not become a ghost, and Tate scared her. The character, not his acting

R179 Eat my shit, cunt.

I do like seeing discussions about it, I'm just getting fed up with trying to find any of it any good.

So go fuck yourself with a demon drill.

R255 The typical American, and why we have Barnum as Prez.

What struck me is how much older Connie, Dylan and Frances look since that first season.

R262, the wacky wigs don’t help them look younger. Tate looked like a very very old teenager.

Farmiga definitely looked the most like her 2011 self, but that might just be because her blankness lends her a certain ageless quality. They did the best they could to make Peters seem to not have aged, but I think his performance helped allow some suspension of disbelief. He still could project Tate’s adolescent nature, in contrast to Fern, who never pulled off the magical man-child thing they asked of him.

I don’t think the producers cared that much about making sure the “Murder House” actors looked close to their 2011 versions, possibly because it would have made for some uncomfortable conversations with the older stars.

I hope they bring Angela Basset back to stir things up.

[quote]....Good point....her husband the Dr wasnt in the episode either, although Billie Dean knew who Madison was and that said she knew several Montgomerys.'

Yeah, the dialogue indicated Madison was supposed to be related to the Montgomeries who built Murder House, but if that is the case why not do more with it. I guess there was a lot to cram into one episode already.

Clearly Madison and/or her actress is intended to lead further into the show's seasons, so Montgomerie material will be stretched further. This episode closed off a lot (specifically the main Murder House family) but still left bits to play with later.

[quote]What happened to Constance's daughter Addie & why wasn't she why her like the other children?? Thanks

She was hit by a car Trick or Treating in a "Pretty Girl" mask and Constance pulled her off the property so she wouldn't be trapped there.

r267

it's been a while since I've seen season 1 but I thought Constance was trying to pull her onto the property so she would still be able to see her like she did with Tate

R239 Say what you want about Meryl Streep, but when she plays multiple roles, each one of them is an entirely different person. Paulson doesn’t even bother to change her wig.

This episode just proves what shit writing the show has, and shit directing.

It's almost as if the characters played by Lange, McDermott and Britton were doing the show strictly as a favor to Ryan Murphy.

There was no energy or passion behind their performances. It was almost lifeless.

In fact, the only one who seemed to be giving 100% in his acting, was Evan Peters. He always gives 100%, no matter what the role.

I find it sad that he has never won an Emmy for this show, because he certainly deserves one.

Really, R267-you waited 9 hours to reply to a question that was answered almost as soon as it was asked and then you got it wrong. SAD!

So let me get this straight-Tate "rescues" Vivian by pushing her out of the fire and Michael, the fucking Antichrist, pretty much says "fuck it then, I won't destroy either one of them". RRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT. And I'd like a list of the 36 KNOWN deaths in the house (that would be known by the realtor), because many of the deaths/characters we've seen either had bodies never found or weren't known to have died in the house (Hayden/Moira/Black Dahlia/Boy Dahlia). In fact, in season 1, the only deaths mentioned by the realtor were the 2 gay guys. So, in the 7 years since then there have been 34 deaths to occur in the house that were known, even though the only bodies to be found in the house since that time would be Violet, Ben Vivian their baby and the 2 home intruders killed on the property. And, a big point was made in the final episode that Ben/Viv/Violet were going to scare off any buyers. Three's Company made more of an effort to follow storylines from season to season.

That's what threw me off too, R272.

The Harmons ended season one as a happy family unit, and then in this most recent episode, they were all over the place and Ben said to Vivian, "are we talking now?"

That made no sense.

They tried to cover that by having Vivian being all pissy because Ben was trying to break through to Michael even though she knew he was evil. Weak, I know, R273, but there it is.

Oh, and I think the exterminator (the one who found Violet) died at the house too, so one presumes his corpse was found. Still way off.

Adina Porter as the warlock is this season’s best transformation.

Adina's pathetic acting returns next week.

Well, luckily we've been treated to Billy Porter's high octane queening for the last two weeks to tide us over. Talk about horror!

This week felt like pandering to the fans. For that, it was well done but I hate when shows do that. Walking Dead and even the Downton Abbey finale did it. The show loses any artistic credibility when it starts shaping itself around what they think the mob of fans want instead of what makes sense.

I like this season but it does scream fan service.

R270 Cheyenne Jackson posted on Instagram that the episode was Paulson’s directorial debut...

[quote]The Harmons ended season one as a happy family unit, and then in this most recent episode, they were all over the place and Ben said to Vivian, "are we talking now?"

They kind of glossed over their problems for the closing season 1 scenes. It would be pretty believable that after time they would be having issues again. The marriage had a lot of problems that living as ghosts would not magically disappear. How were they at the end of the episode?

[quote] the episode was Paulson’s directorial debut...

Well, that would explain it.

Wah, wah.

To me the high expectation hype made the episode almost a miss for me. Loved the Frances Conroy part with her and her mother walking hand in hand into the mist.

Jessica Lange was nice, but overhyped.

Fan service be damned. Tell me a story with rough edges and challenges. And lots and lots of camp.

Did anyone else notice what Madison said about a former Supreme’s family that died on the property and that they should talk to them first? It’s odd that that was even brought up now as it never was before. Did this former Supreme create the Hellmouth that traps everyone there? Did she sacrifice her family with dark magic to ensure she would become the Supreme of her generation? It just seemed odd to mention it if it means nothing although that is common for this show.

Nice Damian shoutout at the satanic ritual.

You misheard the dialog r285, she was talking about how Michael's family died on the property.

As for the 36, didn't the abortionist in the basement have a lot? They also clearly said that you won't see a ghost if they don't want to be seen.

I don't remember the Doctor having a lot of victims, unless you wanna get into unborn babies, but that's an argument for another thread. Secondly-the realtor really doesn't have to mention murders that occurred DECADES before selling the house, even if he was aware of them.

[quote]And I'd like a list of the 36 KNOWN deaths in the house (that would be known by the realtor), because many of the deaths/characters we've seen either had bodies never found or weren't known to have died in the house (Hayden/Moira/Black Dahlia/Boy Dahlia).

Nora and Charles Montgomery died in the Murder House. As did Tate, Violet, Ben and Vivien, Lorraine Harvey and her two daughters, the nurses, the two intruders, the redhead twins Troy and Bryan, Chad and Patrick, the Pest Exterminator, Derrick (the guy afraid of the Piggyman), the lesbian couple... that's besides Moira, Hugo, Hayden, Travis, Beauregard, the Infantata (reanimated), and the Black Dahlia, whose Murder House deaths were probably not known by the public.

R289 Well, Murphy is a practicing Catholic. Re"unborn babies".

Who's Adina Porter supposed to be? Marie Laveau's previously unknown sister?

The biggest clue as to whats going to happen is Mallory and her power to not only raise the dead and cure their injuries, she regenerates them by essentially turning back time biologically.

Not even close to 36, R290, and Derrick (the piggyman guy) did not die in the murder house-he was shot by a burglar in his own bathroom.

Umm, R290 named roughly 30 people who died in Murder House. Obviously, there are a few more we do not know about (yet). Thank you for doing all that for us!

Where's your list, cunt at R294? Peanut gallery, peanut brain. Thanks for your correction, I guess... but, no.

So, all powerful Michael couldn't make Constance's ghost visible to him (even when she doesn't want to) in the demon (murder) house that gave him life and his demonic powers? Uh, okay.

You're still missing the point, R295, but I guess calling me a cunt makes you superior.

R296 Most of his powers comes from being some conduit for Satan or somesuch. The episode was full of bits of how he can be almost human when not taking that role, but the killing urge is totally overwhelming at times and when he learns any smallest bit of his destiny he typically embraces it.

I'm sure at the past-current point in the timeline (being a 'Supreme'), Michael could do anything to any ghost.

Watching grown adults seriously discuss this series is hilarious.

I would like to see a supernatural post-apocalyptic scenario like this done in a more serious way. It could be interesting. So far the timeline is: End of world via nukes; survivors in a nuclear bunker for 18 months; devil comes along, everyone dies on Halloween night; witches appear to revive a few of them.

“Apocalypse” means “unveiling” or “revelation,” which in no way means “everything ends.” It means “everything you understood before has been an illusion projected onto something that covered up reality, and now it’s time to experience reality.

Since we just saw in the murder house how the lesbian couple was killed and immediately rose back up, plus Frances Conroy’s ghost rejoined with her mother’s, maybe then the post-apocalypse won’t be a cop out despite the appearance of witches, but an entree into the postmortem world. IF that were done in a thoughtful way, it could be a really interesting place to explore. But this show has a way of presenting really interesting, exciting, potentially thoughtful premises and then exploring them with the intellectual interest and capacity of a 12 year-old goth girl. It’s just endlessly disappointing to me. And as to the question of why I watch: it’s the same reason as the disappointment: because the ideas are imaginative and interesting and provocative to think about, and I am always hopeful that one day a spark will catch on and be explored in an equally thoughtful way. Mostly the show introduces a series of awesome “what-ifs” begins an interesting exploration and then does some kind of sexually graphic, gory or Mean Girls treatment and abandons it. It’s really frustrating that it never delivers intellectually.

[quote]but I guess calling me a cunt makes you superior.

Not superior Dear, Supreme!

Taissa Farmiga politely admits she thought the Tate/Violet reunion was stupid as well.

[quote]Part of me was, I guess the part that was Violet was happy that she didn't have to cry anymore and the part that's Taissa was sort of — you know, I like things that aren't tied up in a neat little bow. I like when things are ambiguous. So you know, I think I was more happy with the Season 1 ending but I think the Violet inside me is more happy with this ending.

[quote]I try to see the good in people. But just because someone is in a circumstance that is influenced by outside evil or outside darkness and they're led to do these actions, I don't think you can completely wipe the slate clean and fully take away the responsibility from that person.

Jessica Lange was probably disgusted by her shitty lines.

With all they hype and media buzz, dont be surprised when Lange wins a guest actress emmy.

R304 Not for that total shit

Lange can’t win a Guest Actress Emmy. Only Comedy and Drama series have Guest Acting awards. Shows like “American Horror Story” that compete in the Limited Series categories only have Lead and Supporting awards for actors.

I kept waiting for Madison to say to Violet: "Hey weepy ghost girl - you're a dead ringer for a witch I know called Zoe. It's uncanny!"

Or better yet, they should've had Zoe go back to murder house with Billy Porter so when Zoe and Violet meet they could play the Patty Duke Show twin song.

Such crap.

I'm a huge fan of AHS and LOVE Jessica Lange, but this episode was very disappointing.

This is what we've waited months for?

Sigh

Have Dylan McDermott and Zach Quinto tongue-kissed yet?

Has Stevie Nicks been on this season since her wonderful performance of "Gypsy"?

Quinto has never came after season 2 r309, and he has seemed dismissive in interviews about ever coming back.

I got the impression him and Murphy did not get along, but then he did Boys in the Band so who knows.

Kate Mara was Dylan’s ex-mistress in S1 and was quite good at portraying someone completely unhinged. Why wasn’t she asked back?

[quote]Quinto has never came after season 2 [R309], and he has seemed dismissive in interviews about ever coming back.

Finn Wittrock acted the same away after his season and hemmed and hawed on if he would want to return. But I think that was because he was heavily lauded for his role and assumed that he was headed to stardom so he didn't need AHS or Murphy. How wrong he was.

This is what people know of Finn Wittrock. Beginning and end.

Finn Wittrock did 3 seasons...Freak Show, Hotel and Roanoke.

Can I point out how weird it is that Cheyenne Jackson is in the opening credits of this season?

what about the aliens?

Misty will probably revive him if they find his body....there are photos of him with the other witches, so he comes back somehow.

[quote]what about the aliens?

There was some speculation that the two humans selected for their good genes were picked because they were descendants of Kit's alien birthed children.

I like the cut of your jib, r300.

[quote]Quinto has never came after season 2 R309, and he has seemed dismissive in interviews about ever coming back. I got the impression him and Murphy did not get along, but then he did Boys in the Band so who knows.

It doesn't seem like any of the actors who didn't return to the show in a following season had a problem with Murphy. Many of them just didn't like doing [italic]this particular show[/italic] but saw themselves working with him again and have. A few others were busy or were working on other Ryan Murphy productions.

Quinto only did two seasons then claimed he wanted to get away from the "genre" stuff. He did do Boys in the Band, as you said.

Michael Chiklis did a season then said the show was too dark for him but he liked Ryan Murphy and would work with him on something else. He's been on Gotham the past few years since his season until this past year.

Chloe badmouthed her character in Hotel but said she'd come back if whatever she played next time was different. She was on Bloodline from the time Hotel ended up until this past year.

Matt Bomer did a small part in Freak Show then appeared in Hotel. He did an uncredited voice over in Roanoke but never appeared on screen. He skipped Cult but did the Boys in the Band. He was also supposed to direct an episode of AHS this season but booked a TV series so he couldn't do it. He also directed an episode of Versace.

Angela said she wasn't asked to come back but she's already on Murphy's 911 show and Finn was just in American Crime Story: Versace.

Gay character dead?

It's interesting to me how many young impresario/director types want to work with the same actors again and again--I think not because they're necessarily the best people for the roles but because they like working with them. PT Anderson loves some geneuinely great actors, like Edward Norton and Frances McDormand, but he also likes working with some incredibly weak actors like Owen Wilson and Jason Schwartzman. Similarly, although Murphy keeps casting some phenomenal women actors (Lange, Bassett, Paulson, Bates, Rabe) he also casts some actors of incredibly limited ability (Roberts, Sidibe).

Cheyenne Jackson should take an acting class. :) Just sayin' ...

[quote]Similarly, although Murphy keeps casting some phenomenal women actors (Lange, Bassett, Paulson, Bates, Rabe) he also casts some actors of incredibly limited ability (Roberts, Sidibe).

Roberts and Sidibe are great at comedy / delivering one liners. Sidibe was great in Precious but she's really only done comedy since then at one point doing Empire and Difficult People at the same time. Both always make themselves available to him and it seems he recognizes that.

Murphy has never hidden the fact that he has an acting company which definitely leans towards giving older women and gay actors roles to keep them working. Occasionally someone else comes along and he adds them in too.

Apparently he spotted Jon Jon Briones on Broadway where he had played the same role for years in various productions of Miss Saigon, cast him on Versace and liked him so much that now he's on AHS: Coven. There are many actors who have gained a leg up because of him.

I guess its good he casts so many of them even though they suck.

I think it is great that Ryan Murphy keeps these older women and gay actors working who wouldn't necessarily get work otherwise.

I mean you look at the first show he planned for netflix, he went for a gay guy (Platt) and an older woman (Streisand) to anchor it.

[quote] Both always make themselves available to him and it seems he recognizes that.

Yes, I am sure they are turning down other roles down right and left, and so must actively work to make themselves available to him.

Jon Jon Briones was good in Versace but has been AWFUL in Apocalypse.

I think he has been perfectly fine in this series, not great or bad, but getting the job done. I don't get the posters who have complaints about his performance.

Jessica Lange brief comeback to the show broke the internet and was met with rapturous raves by both fans and critics.

I can see her getting in in supporting and winning.

[QUOTE]Quinto has never came after season 2 [R309], and he has seemed dismissive in interviews about ever coming back. I got the impression him and Murphy did not get along, but then he did Boys in the Band so who knows

This is the first "sequel" of sorts were past characters have showed up. I posted this before but when it was announced there would be a "Murder House"/ "Coven" tie in I asked Zac if he was coming back and and he said no. But that was before it was announced that Lange would return. So I don't know if he turned it down or wasn't asked at all, but he definitely told me no in July.

[quote]Yes, I am sure they are turning down other roles down right and left, and so must actively work to make themselves available to him.

Gabourey Sidibe is a regular on Empire. At one point she was a regular on Difficult People, recurring on Empire and still did a guest appearance on AHS. She said they wouldn't let her do more than 3 episodes of another show when she was promoted to regular on Empire. So yes, she did get special permission to appear in more than a few episodes of AHS: Apocalypse since she's doing both shows. She's doing just fine without Murphy and was even before this on The Big C. She has Lee Daniels to thank for her career.

Emma Roberts on the other hand is another story but it seems like she just landed lead on another, non-Murphy, series.

[quote]I posted this before but when it was announced there would be a "Murder House"/ "Coven" tie in I asked Zac if he was coming back and and he said no.

He said he didn't want to do the show again but would do other Murphy productions. Angela said specifically she wasn't asked but she's also doing another Murphy show. Maybe he just wanted a break since BitB ended right when Apocalypse went into production?

R332 Netflix for Emma? Good fit

No Flix for Emma, an even better fit.

R334 Let me guess, she will play a cunty ice queen......

I guess Teddy Sears isn’t one of Ryan’s favorites as he hasn’t been asked back for any of the subsequent seasons, not even for a single episode. He could easily have played any of the roles given to Cheyenne...and probably better too.

[quote]I guess Teddy Sears isn’t one of Ryan’s favorites as he hasn’t been asked back for any of the subsequent seasons, not even for a single episode. He could easily have played any of the roles given to Cheyenne...and probably better too.

He didn't make much of an impression, at least for me, I had to look up who you were talking about.

Sears was too busy doing CW's The Flash back then. He wasn't able to maintain a working relationship with Murphy for Murphy to keep him in mind for future projects. Murphy probably forgot all about him and used someone like Wittrock for future projects instead and when Wittrock left for a bit ...

An obvious question maybe, but if it support to be this campy? If so, it passed campy a hundred miles down the road and ran off the cliff of downright embarrassing.

It's somewhat entertaining, mostly because it's Halloween, but really I keep wondering if it's meant to be this over the top and silly. From Cody Fern in the long blonde wig to Stevie Nicks showing up to sing gypsy, to Kathy Bates hamming it in black lipstick and a butch comb-back.

I mean, WTF is going on here?

That was meant to read: "...but is it supposed to be this campy?'

It's all a ridiculous cam fest. I agree with reply 299...that anyone would take any of this nonsense seriously is hysterical. Murphy excels at weird creepy cartoons full of ludicrous camp.

Camp not cam, obviously.

Murphy decided that people wanted campy vs scary in Season 3. Where have you all been?

Then he is an idiot, because the season widely recognized as the best is 'Asylum', which hardly had any camp, but a lot of darkness, suffering and blasphemy.

Asylum is the only season where I've never rewatched any episodes. It was just so fucked up and dark I didnt want to ever see it again.

Heaven forfend something called American Horror Story might be fucked up or dark.

This show has always been BOTH gory and campy, ever since season 1.

Season 2 was great because it was disturbing, though not necessarily scary. It was also campy (The Name Game anyone?).

Season 3 is mastered the successful elements of the first 2 seasons and mixed in more overt supernatural/metaphysical themes. It's the most popular season for a reason.

Season 4 was surprisingly somber and depressing but totally worked.

I never watched again after Jessica Lange left and they brought on Lady Gaga.

An essential ingredient was lost.

What was the point of Langdon fucking Evan Peters' character in latex?

R348 Just for shock probably. I feel like a lot of this show is just shock value with no meaning.

R349 This entire season is without meaning so far.

R347....Then youve cheated yourself. Hotel, contrary to what the Gaga haters say, was great. Roanoke and Cult were as well. Hotel is very stylized and glamorous which I loved.

R351

Yeah, i liked Hotel, but ending was terrible. Cult was great.

R351 Take ya meds, Hotel was shit

I thought both Asylum and Freakshow were the best but both so dark and disturbing that I don't think I'd rewatch either.

R349

But really, it was strange even by AHS standards. It looked like first part of the season was written by some insane Evan Peters' stalker with sadomaso-tendencies. He was fucked, beaten, humiliated, he was licking boots at some point? Not that i complain, but it was so pointless. It was probably a relief for Peters to go back to his old characters.

I am not watching this season only reading about it here and bring it up over cocktails. My friends know I am not watching it this season and fall all over themselves telling me all about it. It has been really fun and good so far this season. Hope they keep the crazy coming the rest of this season. Hail Satan and Evans Tush!

reply 349 ding,ding,ding...we have a winner!

You are upset I gave you a scene of Evan Peters getting fucked?

What pisses me off is with this last episode, they completely fucked up the Murder House legacy.

If you rewatch season one ever again this season completely cheapens all the characters story conclusions.

I guess Ryan Murphy had other things on his mind than the Datalounge folklore that he fucks every guy he hires.

Freakshow is where everyone gave up on the series.

Ryan is a good guy who deserves to be happy. Yes, he is weird and strange at first but that's just a first impression. He's a doll.

That mainly seems to be jokes r360, a lot of gossip has consistently said that Murphy is surprisingly asexual, not some big slut.

R358

Well, yeah, but then what? This character died next episode. Thats annoying.

I can do cancer! Or PTSD! Any illness, really. Call me.

emmy for ms lang and that awesome monologue!!!

and for cody ferns asshole !

Last weeks episode was so bizarre and bad. If you go back and watch the first season, there was NEVER any of that shit. The season ended with the happy ghost family decorating a tree or some shit. Now they rewrite the story to make an antichrist birth by Connie Britton and all this other absurdity.

It's so bad it's like watching a train wreck. And I have no idea what Cody Fern did before the Versace show, but he's a terrible actor.

R367 what are you on? The antichrist story was in season 1

True, R367, but it's still one of the best season in years. What does that tell you?

R367, in Season one, Billie Dean told Constance that a child born of spirit and flesh would result in the birth of the Anti-Christ. Something to do with the reverse of the virgin birth or something like that. Also, Michael killed the babysitter in the final episode of "Murder House".

R367 watched a different season 1 than the one that aired. Oh dear.

R367 is confusing AHS Murder House with Full House.

Full House had two anti-Christs!

Who cares if the show has meaning. It's a campy show meant to entertain , which it does better than most. It's not a serious drama or documentary. Just sit back and enjoy it.

[quote]The two weakest moments in the episode were the Black Dahlia cameo and the Anton LaVey subplot.

Did anyone think that as LaVey was pulling out that heart, he orgasmed? The actor made a sound like LaVey blew his load. Or am I misinterpreting that? I watched it a couple of times and I could’ve sworn. I was like...I CAUGHT THAT!

Anyway, this season might be pretty good. I enjoyed both Lange and Fern. Fern is weird tho. Despite seemingly having the same expression, he can be expressive when it calls for it. For example, when he was sitting at the end of the bed next to the dead priest and Constance opened the door. His reaction went from “Hey! Grandma” to “Jesus, excuuuuse me.” He really impressed me. I think I get why he was chosen--save the jokes. He has a wide-eyed but sinister face. And he did look hot and juicy in those scenes where he was supposed to be asleep.

One thing I appreciate about these threads is posters filling in the blanks and reminding me of things that have happened in previous seasons cause I barely remember shit. Like DLIF crying and jerking off, Paulson’s character being a medium, Constance saying Michael shouldn’t come back to the house etc. I remember NONE of that.

What happened to Constance’s house? Didn’t she live next to Murder House?

Yes, Constance lived next door....and still did until her suicide......however, Constance used to live in the Murder House when she was married to Eric Close....she killed him and Moira when she caught them having an affair...thats why Moiras eye is cloudy....thats where she was shot.....and Tate was killed in his bedroom by the FBI after he did the school shooting. Thats when Constance moved next door....to stay close to her children.

And to add to R376, the Contance's daughter , Addie, never made it to the Murder House when she died. he was fatally hit by a car outside the house. But before she completely flatlined, Constance tried to drag her body from the street and into the house in order to keep her spirit in there, but Addie died outside the gate and her spirit never made it inside.

Sorry about the typo's.

Who was fucking Peters' character (dead one) in latex suit? I thought it was Michael, but now i have doubts.

My read is Michael was just toying with Evan Peters. No one was literally there in a suit, it was just a magic fantasy in his head.

R380

But his grandmother saw them fucking.

Right r381, I don't know how I forgot about that.

Who knows. Does it even have to be an actual person? Michael seems to be able to do practically anything, can probably create a "rubber man" out of thin air like he did the snakes.

Or maybe Michael really did just want to get his dick wet lol.

The sad truth is it will probably never be explained.

R382

That's what annoys me about Ryan Murphy shows. To be honest, it was the only thing that got me interested in this pathetic season.

Has anyone watched tonight’s ep yet? Damn Spectrum doesn’t have FX+. Spoilers please!

FX+ is online....for a fee.....it can be cast to your tv (if you have capabilities.

You are constantly asking people to post spoilers here r384, DL is bad place for that because there is no way to hide text like some forums can.

NO Michael in the new episode. But Joan Collins & Frances Conroy were amazing together!! Yay!

Thank you, R387!

That's a take off of Joan in 1969's Tales From The Crypt.

r389...I came to post the same thing !

Im liking this episode.

Joan can play....Joan.

Is it the warlocks who kill the witches?

Does Cordelia summon Papa Legba for immortality?

Still no explanation of how Myrtle is back?

r394...youre obviously trolling....they addressed that in this episode.

I’m so confused..

If anyone is confused, the best thing is to re-watch coven or read all the episode summaries. There are many characters I suppose we (who remember coven) are taking for granted that a new audience may have no clue what to think of.

I think the episode was great again. I cannot believe AHS is finally coherent - like with a clear plot that makes sense. And, they've brought back some of the best characters on the show (well, Myrtle at least).

One of the best seasons ever, up there with S12345. So loving every moment. If they wrap this up effectively, it'll be S2 greatness.

This season is more of a mess than any of the previous ones, especially by having the actors playing more than one role. I agree that Joan was good. They should have her character tell about her life in the 1930s when she meant Captain Kirk. That would be awesome.

[quote] Last weeks episode was so bizarre and bad

Blame the writer, Crystal Liu. She sucks ass, and she's to blame for fucking up the "Murder House" legacy. There's no going back on that one.

This episode on the other hand, was very well written. The writer was Adam Penn, and he knows exactly how to write for the characters, without pandering. He did the bitchy banter between Joan Collins and Emma Roberts very nicely, and the story was easy to follow and it made sense.

That's what I want to see, when I watch this show.

Why in the fuck did they let that Liu lady write the Murder House episode, knowing that so many big names were coming back? The woman is a goddamned amateur.

She used to be a production assistant, for fuck's sake! Who thought it was a good idea to make her a writer???

I hated previous episode. When Tate was screaming "you are the only one i neeeeeed!", i laughed. It was so silly.

This episode definitely advanced the plot, but it was pretty boring.

Love Grossman's "powers."

Ugh, Eichner is back next week.

Harriet Sansom Harris appears in the next episode! My life is complete.

R400 love when people drag writers like this. Most tv writers nowadays are just people that got a job and talked the to the right people. Most don’t have any actual talent and just rehash any number of stories they’ve heard. Amateur hour.

Connections, connections, connections. [R405]

R376 Okay, yeah I remember that now, thanks.

I also wondered who was fucking Peters' character. We know it wasn't Micheal. I bet it'll be Cheyenne.

Where are those pics of evan peters' asshole?

Billy Porter needs to be off this show like yesterday. Can he ever dial it down even a notch? He makes most of the rotten actors on this show look like the reincarnation of Olivier. Why does Cheyenne Jackson look so horrible?

R409 You are so right. Porter makes my skin crawl. Cheyenne's looks have started to fade ever since he left his husband for that other guy.

Cheyenne is a major asshole and he looks older but I don't think he looks horrible.

Porter is a big old queen trying to enunciate without his lisp, probably spitting everywhere.

[quote]Why does Cheyenne Jackson look so horrible?

Apparently in the afterlife they have lots of eyeliner.

R407

His character was dead at that moment. Or he came back to life in recent episode?

reply 397 Coherent?!!! LOL, oh my sides!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The least they could do was have Cheyenne be brought back naked.

R416 He's done enough nudity to last him a life time.

I must admit he looked pretty charismatic in that last scene.But it was mostly the clothes&his height.

Some wonder why millennials are often ridiculed as being out of touch and only aware of whats happened in their lifetimes.....heres an example.

Ive read three recaps about last nights episode.....all three written by clueless columnists.....when addressing Joan Collins and her portrayal of a woman who kills her husband and in turn is killed by a deranged Santa, they all commented on how campy it was, or that it was a call back to season two......NOT ONE was aware that it was clearly a spoof of Joans own career and a movie she made in the early 70s....Tales from the Crypt.

Its akin to someone reviewing A Star is Born and asking why the premise was never explored before the Cooper/GaGa version of a movie that been remade multiple times..

[quote] NOT ONE was aware that it was clearly a spoof of Joans own career and a movie she made in the early 70s....Tales from the Crypt.

So true, R418.

If it didn't happen in THEIR lifetime, then it never happened. Because clearly, the world revolves around them.

I have only season SEASON 1, Cult and now this one. I’m finding it very dull and find Cult tobe the clear winner so far.

This episode had so much happen and yet it felt so much like filler. I do think it was otherwise written well, whereas the Murder House episode felt necessary (even if also shoehorned) but written badly.

R418 it isn't cluelessness, its that we're exponentially more deluged with data than ever before. To the point that the youngest of us are moving to things like Snapchat/Instagram because it allows the mind to take info, have quick reaction, and basically discard it after to make mental space for more relevant things. Most would be willing to learn the history of that actress, but ironically, informational context is harder to discover than ever before, at least with an article deadline within the day. For the record though, I think they still should have figured that bit out.

Billy is making me laugh a little. I'm willing to take a camp season, I just wish it wasn't this one.

Cheyenne was never attractive to me. If anything I like him in this role as I actually buy him as a concerned leader warlock, down the some of the wear on his face.

I think we're back to typical pacing issues for AHS that usually keep it rarely higher than a 7/10 in my eyes. They do not plot out their seasons well at all. I did like the mid-Roanoke twist though.

You talk about Tales from the Crypt like it's fucking Fellini.

r422....were your delicate sensibilities offended ?......nobody claimed it was fucking Fellini.....but its also not unknown and is a camp classic....the point being that anyone who is a fan of Collins, the horror genre, or camp, would have instantly recognized the parody and not deemed it absurd.

But, you know that and just dont like being labeled as clueless.

....and by the way.....the Tales from the Crypt mentioned was a movie circa 1972.....not the tv series.

[quote]....and by the way.....the Tales from the Crypt mentioned was a movie circa 1972.....not the tv series.

The movie is an anthology and Joan's section is great and creepy and should be mandatory Xmas Eve viewing.

What kind of basic bitches watch this shit?

Ryan Murphy is such a hack -- HANG IT UP.

[quote] [R400] love when people drag writers like this. Most tv writers nowadays are just people that got a job and talked the to the right people. Most don’t have any actual talent and just rehash any number of stories they’ve heard. Amateur hour.

It's called Affirmative Action. There's not enough minorities in the room, so let's make sure our staff is balanced, even if they can't write for shit. Also, white men are the enemy these days so we must eliminate them. Meanwhile, in writer's rooms, gay is not considered a minority. Not even one bit. But of course, trannies are.

There was (and may still be as I haven't watched it in years) a writer on Family Guy named Cherry Chevapravatdumrong, quite possibly the worst writer ever in television. Whenever I'd see her name come on the screen as a writer, I knew the episode would suck, and it did. She was actually a big reason I stopped watching, since she became an EP on the show and there was a noticeable drop in quality.

[quote]Ryan Murphy is such a hack -- HANG IT UP.

Shadddup.

[quote]It's called Affirmative Action. There's not enough minorities in the room, so let's make sure our staff is balanced, even if they can't write for shit.

Or maybe she kissed the right asses R427 like many good would be tv writers. Good God, you act if no white writer has ever written a shitty episode of a series. Also, in case you haven't noticed, there have been many shitty episodes over the years of this series.

[quote]Some wonder why millennials are often ridiculed as being out of touch and only aware of whats happened in their lifetimes.....heres an example.

Not everyone knows everything R418 and people watch the show for different reasons. Some people were watching the show long before Joan set foot on it.

You're expecting viewers of the show and recappers of the show to be able to recall the cinematic histories of every actor and actress on the entire show. "I'm deeply upset you didn't recall that was a reference to Sarah Paulson's guest appearance on Touched By an Angel in 2001 and don't you dare tell me that was not an important hour of television that you and your ilk should have recorded and played back at least once a Christmas season!"

R429 doesn't have many friends.

R430, is using Datalounge from his dad's basement again while furiously jacking off to Evan Peter's ass.

U pressed, R429/R431? Sounds like it.

R431 I'm pretty sure there are several people on here masturbating to the thought of Evan's ass as well as Cody's.

Someone above talked about seeing Cody's ass in that shot in the Return to Murder House ep when it got really hot and he was lying in bed. I saw boxer shorts. Was that because I watched it on the FoxNow app instead of the The Fox+ subscription? I'm asking because I've watched all the other seasons of AHS on Netflix and I have always seen nudity and heard all the bad language. It never occurred to me that I might be watching a censored version of AHS.

Very convenient how Michael was "in isolation", or else none of the plot of this episode would have worked. Collins was good, she has been a delight this season though of course keep they her in her wheelhouse.

[quote]This episode had so much happen and yet it felt so much like filler. I do think it was otherwise written well

I felt the same way. It was a good episode yet it did feel like filler, just tying up some loose ends with some extraneous characters. I now wonder if we aren't going to catch up til post-apocalyptic Halloween til the final episode, seems that way, we began at the end.

I think I figured out PART of whats going to happen.

Think about who was in the Outpost....aside from the 2 with "ideal" DNA, we have 3 who turned out to be witches under a protection spell...Mallory, Coco, Dinah. What about the rest ?....Evie, married to a Hollywood mogul, retired actress...and her grandson. Could Evie be Bubbles ?.....that would make her grandson a warlock. Dinahs son....he would have voodoo in his blood.

Could each outpost be where Michael was rounding up witches and warlocks to destroy them ? why would Meade happen to be there. They did say most of the other outposts had already been destroyed.

I also stand by my guess that the witches that showed up at the outpost are already dead....but since its Halloween night, they are able to rise and fight Michael again with the help of the witches who were alive in the outpost (after they were brought back.)

^^^and the outpost is coincidentally the old warlock academy.^^^

I'm still waiting for the reveal that Mallory was a virgin birth.

Christ vs Anti-Christ. They are showing the obvious parallel with pure and uber-powerful Mallory and evil and uber-powerful Michael.

[quote]I must admit he looked pretty charismatic in that last scene.But it was mostly the clothes&his height.

And that fierce scarf flip.

It's turning out to be The Stand with chicks.

I gave up, this program skips around so much I am totally confused

It's not that confusing

It follows the same narrative structure as the Gianni Versace Murder.

loved that yr gaga was in it, the hotel one, so fun::::had cutie matt bomer in it an lots more

maybe they decided the first few shows with the bomb shelter thing were boring twas

I missed the first couple of years of AHS, so this one is lost on me

glad they dropped the hiding in the shelter theme, tired.

so fun now bak in the house of firs AMS with the originals. and some thru the yrs

is this the finale?

AHS has already been renewed for the next 2 seasons.

This season really isn't an anthology, it is a continuation of Coven and Murder House. It's like with any other show if you didn't watch earlier seasons you won't understand a lot of what is happening in the show. To be fair, the promotion for this season made it clear that would be the case.

Yeah I agree that Michael is somehow granted the power to figure out the Cooperative thing and use it as a ploy to draw in magical people as they're the only ones he thinks might survive in some form anyway. Remember that he even may want to destroy their souls, not just allow them to go to afterlifes. The Cooperation might truly be to decide who gets to join him, he may even have people somewhere, but probably not and at least the majority of the test is to torment people. At the final moment the apoc will be reversed, but we'll have more lore and character knowledge going into the future.

I wonder if since this is a mix of S1 MH and S3 Coven, next would be a mix of another couple earlier seasons, then they try to wrap up the rest.

Probably not.

Not a fan of the slow-mo walk off at the end. But I do love the rest. Bubbles sniping at Madison and her lovely banter with Myrtle.

I think for some it felt like a filler, because Michael didn't appear which some people may see as moving the story forward whenever the big bad is around taking action.

I like Porter. He brings the fierce drama. And I do wonder sometimes would hell would break loose if Murphy used Grace Jones in one of his future AHS season?

I think the show solved the issue with the actors playing several characters on the show pretty decent by not letting the actors be on double duty during each episode (for example in the previous episode Frances Conroy was only seen as her character in Murder House).

I loved the focus on the coven and the bond between them. I wish something like that would exist for gay guys (magic or not).

I think the Cooperative is just a scam from Michael making it look like there is some big organization saving the worthy and people are supposed to fight over who is worthy and who isn't for his amusement. An empty hope.

So is it for sure that Mallory is the next Supreme? It just doesn't make sense to me, the story takes place only a few years after Cordelia became the Supreme. It just happened! They always last longer than that, a generation. I want Cord to stay the Supreme.

R449 What bullshit, if you are a casual viewer you would have no idea you would have to had watched Coven for this season to make any sense at all, I gave up on Coven after two episodes so this season is just puzzling for me

R453 There are some speculations that Mallory may not be a witch but a Nephilim.

[quote] It just doesn't make sense to me, the story takes place only a few years after Cordelia became the Supreme. It just happened! They always last longer than that, a generation. I want Cord to stay the Supreme.

The timeline is off R453.

Cordelia's mother, Fiona screwed it up by killing the previous Supreme prematurely. She then killed anyone she thought could have been Supreme to keep herself from "fading" and she sucked the life force from humans to keep herself alive long after she should have been dead naturally.

If she hadn't done that, Cordelia would have (assuming she could have passed the tests) been Supreme years before she actually was or someone else would have been that Fiona possibly killed.

The people on the show aren't even sure if that's what happened but it's possible. However, I don't think Mallory is the next Supreme.

You really did have to watch Coven to get some of the things in this season. Yikes.

R446, then WHY are you even watching? And why should anyone care that your dumb ass is lost?? Go get a clue hon.

I read a theory that Mallory is a descendant of Kit and an alien from season 2. She's part alien and thats why she's so strong. They base this theory on the fact that in the bunker, Mallory was a "gray" and that's also a type of alien. The theory posits that that was the show giving a hint.

Idk. I still think it's more likely that she is an angel or Christ like figure.

oh sweetie 457, be nice for once.

I think Sarah Paulson will get an Emmy nom for Best Director. She did a fantastic job. Her acting however has been disappointing this season. She was completely one note as Venable. She cannot do villain roles AT ALL. Billy Dean was completely one note. Cordelia is OK but she was much better in Coven. I don't know what happened to her acting talent. Does anyone else feel this way?

I think Evan Peters was shockingly bad this season. And he is my favorite on the show.

R460 I’ve said before and I feel it’s proven out this season, Sarah Paulson is a serviceable television character actress but not a very strong actor, not very nuanced at all, and certainly doesn’t have the charisma of a lead player. Her talent is stock. She seems perfectly likable and I feel a little bad saying it, but it’s the truth. Murphy could improve his productions if he did freinds and self fewer favors and instead invested in the story and drama delivered to the audience. His set and costume designs are consistently excellent. Story concepts are consistently intriguing and consistently poorly executed, and acting is hit or miss, but the story and acting always come second to the casting of Murphy regulars, seemingly based on off-camera relationships rather than professional capability. Sarah Paulson’s talent is good for procedurals like Law & Order etc. where characters basically explain the plot as it advances, but she’s not versatile at all and not very competent with conveying authentic emotion. She seems affected, I suppose in a Katharine Hepburn kind of stilted way, except that Hepburn had a mystique and Paulson just seems to be there to deliver her lines.

And she was sublime in the latter half of Cult (Once she grew stronger and stopped screaming and cr.ying all the time). SP is one of my favorite atresses. I just really like her. But she brought absolutely nothing to Venable. I could not have cared less when she died. The only other time she was worse was her 'british" character in Roanoke.

Will we ever actually find out who was Venable and what's her story and meaning to the plot?

She was so good in that scene with Ivy in Cult when Ivy tells her that she not afraid of her and that she knows Ally will never hurt her and Ally responds "I already have". She deserved an Emmy nod from that scene alone.

R465

Yes, it was amazing scene.

I watched the first ep of Cult and part of the second, and turned it off because of Paulson’s constant fretting and shrieking and screaming. It was truly unwatchable.

R420 If you think Cult, the very worst season of AHS wins over season one and this current one, just quit watching any of it now hon.

Wait, are you saying this is award-worthy acting on the part of Paulson? Somehow she’s overacting even just sitting there. Her emphasis is completely unconvincing to me. Ah well. To each his own.

R468

Cult was amazing. Probably their most coherent season. Hated first season.

Paulson’s best performances were in Assylum and Freak Show. You felt for Lana, and the twins were convincingly different characters.

I liked asylum and I did care about her character in that season. I found season one thrilling and season two disturbing, and then season three showed that the whole series is just a random assemblage of spectacle and a showcase for Ryan Murphy’s favorite celebrities. I like Stevie Nicks A LOT, and I think her forced appearances in Coven and Apocalypse are about the worst decision any showrunner ever could make. I am a writer and my favorite artist is Tori Amos. If anyone ever produced anything I wrote for screen and forced a nonsensical Tori Amos performance that ruined the drama into it, I’d be the first one to demand it be cut out. Murphy and Falchuk have great imaginations and very poor directorial discretion.

I agree. She was harrowing in that aversion conversion scene in Asylum. You really felt that she WAS Lana Winters. And Dot and Bette looked identical and yet you knew immediately which one was speaking. That is the definition of good acting. And yet why is so very bad in Roanoke and Apocalypse?

R470 Cult coherent? Wow. Well, different strokes and all that I guess.

R474

I thought so. I really dislike most of Ryan Murphy's projects, and not a big fan of AHS. But i saw Cult on tv and loved it. Rewatched previous seasons and was reminded why i dislike Murphy.

Apocalypse is my least favorite season of this show. The first three episodes werpure filler. It did not need 3 episodes to explore the bunker. One would have been sufficient. The acting is dreadful. And it makes no sense why the witches in the bunker have no memories. .Can someone please explain to me that plot point? TIA

I am enjoying this season as a bad “horror” fantasy show. It’s not good, but it has a plot and that is better than most seasons.

I AM LOVING the new Sabrina series on Netflix though!!!

Cordelia placed a spell on them to make them forget they were witches.

How did the witches end up in the bunker in the first place? And did Cordelia actually save them from the bunker? If so how come she was not affected by the radiation? And why would she save Adina Porter?

I am curious about how the antichrist will end up triggering a nuclear holocaust. At this point, he seems engaged in a small domestic squabble but antagonizing a nuclear war seems way beyond his reach. Otherwise, I think it’s worth considering that the apocalypse in this show (if it is really willing to take an unexpected chance) may have been the apocalypse and not a fake out. Perhaps it went nowhere but back in time because it’s all over in the present. Maybe the witches who came back after the last of the people died are dead—that seems to be all the witches do, really, is die and then un-die. So maybe everything on Earth is dead now and the witches just keep on coming back from the great beyond because that’s a thing this show loves to do tediously and incessantly.

Do you always ask questions about things that TV shows haven't covered yet r479? Keep watching and we will find out some of that shit.

Just a thought not really related to the show. In the Book of Revelation, the apocalypse brought on by the Antichrist is followed by a war that ends with 1,000 years of peace on Earth. So it seems the Antichrist is either good (the means justify the end) in essence, or else he will be made to suffer by having his evil deeds lead to a period of peace and prosperity for human beings.

Show of hands: who would be surprised if the season closes with Stevie Nicks croaking out “Edge of Seventeen” in a white gown amid a sea of fluffy heavenclouds.

The acting is pitiful this year. Evan Peters (who I usually like) is terrible. Sarah Paulson is dreadful. Even Kathy Bates looks like she is phoning it in. Adina Porter is unconvincing. Does anyone else feel this way?

R484

I do. I am especially surprised by Peters who was terrific last season. His acting looks almost like a parody. And what was the point of Gallant?

If Joan Collins is a witch, then we may assume that Evan Peters’s gay hairdresser grandson is a warlock and will reappear. Hot Devil Baby called him weak, and so I expect Peters to resurface and take his revenge on Hot Devil Baby. He’ll probably rape him in the ass because that’s the sort of thing this show’s writers would come up with.

Joan Collins was playing a different character r486.

R487 Wait, really? Are you absolutely sure? Wasn’t her original character an actress, and also the “new” one we met this week an actress? I think she’s the same character...?!

Joan Collins is playing two different characters, though they are both actresses.

There was no point to Gallant,. There was no point to Venable. There was no point to any of the bunker nonsense. Why did it need 3 episodes on the bunker? It makes no sense. It was like a short story. Did anyone here even like the bunker episodes?

I liked it and thought Venable was creepy, at least it was something new instead of repeating the bullshit from earlier seasons.

Bunker was ok. It's the witches i dont like

I thought the bunker stuff was boring, the show became significantly more entertaining once it left that drabness.

We are in a flashback now. There is some point to the bunker. It is the present. The show will return to the present. I just hope it’s not through some lame turning-back-time-to-avoid-the-nuclear-winter plot twist that I expect.

It has to be though r494. The world being destroyed by nuclear bombs would severely limit what they could do in feature seasons, they would have all to be period pieces. So it is inevitably going to be magically reversed.

Murphy said a major twist would happen in episode 5 or 6. There was no twist. Dissapointing.

If there was a twist than it was so bad no one noticed.

But do the plot twists on this show usually pay off? (No.) All everyone wanted when this season was announced was witches, and it’s a witch fiesta.

In the earlier episodes, Joan Collins played Evie Gallant, whose best friend was Natalie Wood and had dalliances with Yul Brynner and other stars of yore. I assume she was an actress, but I don't recall if this was ever mentioned. In the latest episodes, Collins plays Bubbles McGee, an actress witch who has the power of lectio animo. She's good friends with Myrtle Snow and taught her how to master fellatio.

R499 Am I the only one who thinks that this double casting is unnecessarily confusing and a distraction? She looks and acts the same as both characters. Jesus this show is bad.

I dont think Collins is known for having much range. Doesn't she just play a fabulous rich bitch in everything?

Collins isnt known for range, is she? Doesn't she just play a fabulous rich bitch in everything.

R50 no one ever said that JC is a good actress. At least she is interesting to watch. Which is more entertaining than a lot of the characters this season. Poor Kathy Bates. You have to a terrible writer and worse directing to make KB look like a bad actress.

I agree. This is Kathy Bates worst season but it's not really her fault. Her character is so one note.

R500, but the hair color and style is different!

Apocalypse is the literal name of the book of Revelations in Latin and many modern day latin languages like Spanish, Portuguese and Italian. I think the French are the only ones that called it the Revelation.

I agree R504. Kathy Bates is turning in a poor performance BUT IT IS NOT HER FAULT. She has terrible writing and directing working against her. Kathy Bates is such a fantastic actress it is truly a crime that she has absolutely NOTHING to work with. Same for Paulson. Who would ever give a compelling performance with the nothing role that is Venable. And what is wrong with Evan Peters? He suddenly out of the blue became a terrible actor?

The scene with Kathy Bates smiling victoriously while engulfed in flames was so bad. Sci-Fi Channel level special effects.

Paulson and Bates and Peters are all exceptional actors and yet they are all giving extremely poor performances. Who is to blame?

Harriet Sansom Harris plays a Satanist in the next week's episode.

R50 who the hell is that and why should we care? Maybe a good idea would be we should only talk about people we actually know and care qbout.

R448 Now that's a true American Horror Story.

Everyone is a horrible actor in this season. Paulson is terrible. Bates is a joke. Evan Peters is an embarassment (and I LOVE Evan Peters). Why is the acting so bad? Cody Fern is OK When he is playing a teenage Michael but why are the adults so terrible? I am particularly disappointed by Paulson.

My favorite is whiny hate watchers that can't stand the show and can't wait to jump into any and every AHS thread and bitch about it endlessly.

Love Frances Conroy. Her Myrtle Snow character is probably one of my most favorite characters of the whole series. But she was also amazing in Freakshow when she hired the mass murdering clown for her crazy son right off the street.

R514 because I loved the show through season 7. I have never posted negatively before this season. Paulson and Petrs and Bates are turning in terrible performances and I want to know why

Frances Conroy is great....her Moira from Murder House was a very sympathetic character....I literally felt for her.

r516, have you tried banging at Ryan Murphy's door demanding the answers he owes you?

Francis Conroy is a gem.

She is a top rate acting talent, I don't know why Murphy keeps her to these supporting roles. She is the best actor he had after Lange and she should have been the new Lange, not Paulson.

R520. I think Paulson should still be given top billing but Francis should be getting that very special "and Francis Conroy" billing at the end.

A little off topic, but when Mallory was a Gray in the bunker sporting that weird pointy hair-do, it reminded me of the infamous Lava Lady of Los Angeles. This very eccentric older woman had the same hairstyle. She mostly kept to the Beverly Grove/Fairfax area, walking the streets aimlessly.

It can't be coincident, she was legendary amongst gays in the neighborhood, which presumably included someone in the AHS costume department.

Cody Fern wants you to know he is just like you!

[quote]’m not a person who likes to look back. Lately, my life has been overflowing with wonder and magic. I’m happier than I’ve ever been. But I’ve also noticed a rising anxiety - especially with social media. I’m a private person. I prefer mystery. But I’m pulled into the past every time I see a photo from a long (and purposefully forgotten) era - a photo that I didn’t choose to put out into the world. It’s confronting. Cringing, I look at these old pictures and think about who I am now and who I was then and the wide gulf that stretches out between us. Who was he? Why did he dress like that? What’s with that hideous haircut? Why wasn’t he ‘cooler’ or at least, why didn’t people like him? Why didn’t he like himself? I judge him and all of his choices. The gulf gets wider and my anxiety grows. Here’s the thing - I was nerdy, sensitive, awkward and afraid. I was a day dreamer. I was bullied. I struggled to make friends. I struggled to fit in. I struggled to stand out. I struggled with weight. With acne. With girls. With guys. With life. The road to who I am now is littered with phases that I was embarrassed of, regretted or would otherwise choose to forget. But in rejecting these parts of myself, I reject my journey - and I don’t want to do that. So this is me taking ownership of all of the pieces. It’s trivial, but I’m sharing these intimate snapshots as a small act of rebellion against self judgement. I’m proud of the growth and evolution that I’ve undergone and I’m grateful for all of the moments, especially the tough ones that helped forge who I am today. I’m choosing to own my journey with compassion, in all of it’s embarrassing face-palm glory. Enjoy

R523 He writes as badly as he acts

[quote] I’m a private person. I prefer mystery.

Yes, everyone that wants to be closeted tries this line. That is why you resort to hiding your boyfriend from on your social media and don't want red carpets with him.

^^^^^^ If this were 20 years ago, I'd say cue the People mag cover, "Yep, I'm gay!"

Murphy has said this season is about Cody Fern, Kathy Bates and Sarah Paulson's characters, so sad they're given so poor material. If it weren't for the nostalgia factor, this season would be completely unwatchable.

I think Bates was fine in season 8. But Paulson and Peters... Yeah. It's almost hard to watch. I think it's time for them to move on. They both had a terrific history with the show, but everything comes to an end.

I agree R528. They should both move on. They are both embarrassing themselves. Paulson especially should move on.

This season aint shit until Siouxsie Sioux flies in on her broomstick and sends 'em all to hell.

What do you all think of Sarah Paulson as director? I think she did a great job. The Jessica Lange 15 minute monologue was mesmerizing.

R539

It's not on them, really, they were terrific just one year ago, in Cult. You can say anything about Cult as season, but both Paulson and especially Peters did tremendous job. This season they have nothing to do.

I agree R532. Their characters were nuanced and multidimensional in Cult. And Peters and Paulson did some great work. This season has absolutely no character development. Same situation with Kathy Bates. In Coven KB played a horrific character BUT she was not without some redeeming qualities. She was multidimensional. This season she is just playing an evil character with absolutely no redeeming qualities. The writers are giving the actors nothing to work with.

I'm surprised that more of you aren't discussing Sandra Bernhard in the upcoming episode.

As usual, she is over-the-top, and can't act her way out of a paper bag.

More stunt casting, while adding nothing to the plot or story.

I think this season is simply good vs evil. That is fine but nobody other than God is perfect and nobody other than Satan is all bad. Fleshing out the characters more would have been a lot more satisfying. And it would have allowed the actors to shine. Hannibal Lector was so compelling because no matter how evil he was he still cared about Clarice. He wasn't a cartoon characiture.

I think that Joan Colins, Adina Porter, etc are playing the same characters, but were put under some spell to not know who they really we're when they went to the bunker. Wasn't Adina's character supposed to an Oprah type? I suspect that issue will be cleared up over the next couple of episodes. I'm guessing all of it was Cordelia's plan.

Adina was the same character, that is why Corderlia brought her back along with the other witches.

Joans Collins original character was not a witch, why she wasn't ressurrected.

So Adina was a talk show host who happens to also be a voodoo priestess? That makes no sense.

Yes r538. Apparently Dinah Stevens is a TV host and voodoo priest. We know she seems motivated to make as much money as possible so I guess does whatever she can.

Does anyone but me think Adina Porter is a terrible actress?

It has been posted over and over in this damn thread, so unless you are the one constantly doing it, it obviously isn't just you dear r540

Sorry. No it wasn't me who posted here. Sorry for getting you riled up. That was not my intention. I love this site. You guys are the smartest funniest people on the internet.

They fully explained in the last episode how Myrtle came back. Anyone whining about them not explaining it here was not watching even lazily--and it's really simple to look up on wikipedia or on the reviews for the episode how she was brought back (or to actually WATCH the episode on OnDemand). The explanation did not go by quickly, nor was it just a throwaway.

I agree R543. That part was easy to understand. I personally loved the dynamic between Myrtle and Cordelia. Francis Conroy is fab. I think she should be given last credit after Kathy Bates.

You're cute that you think the average DLer pays attention to anything other than how hot someone is.

R540, there are two people that have openly been speaking about hating Adina's acting and you're one of two. So why don't you and the other one find one another and start a club?

This is a confusing piece of shit.

I disagree R545. I am a straight 49 year old married woman with 3 children. You guys are smart and astute and funny. I have always felt included here. I think you are selling yourself short. And 546 I spent way more time criticizing Paulson and Peters. Please don't get offended. As I said I really enjoy this site.

[quote]And 546 I spent way more time criticizing Paulson and Peters. Please don't get offended. As I said I really enjoy this site.

Hi R548. Welcome to Datalounge. There's no way to read how I'm feeling or what I'm saying in print. I'm, just saying exactly what I said. There are two people who don't like her acting that have posted in this thread and you two should talk since you asked if there was anybody else. LOL

Other News: There's a rumor that Angela Basset will appear in the finale of the show from the AHS leaks account which is usually 90% accurate. They are the account that always has behind the scenes video from the set. I guess after that interview where she said she wasn't asked back they found time to write her in since it didn't make sense that she wasn't there when nearly everyone else in creation was.

R548 I'm not offended at all, particularly since you think I was referring to myself when I said nothing of the sort. Maybe I should be offended by your questionable comprehension skills?

R549 Oh goody, great idea to introduce yet another character from the fucking awful 'Coven' season, fuck I hate Murphy

R550 That is subpar, call him a stupid fuck

R550. I meant you in the collective not you particulary.

I'm going to start naming myself so you know who I am.

R552 Pardon me for not reading your mind or between the lines better.

That's ok R554. I probably wasn't clear.

I just hope the ending makes sense. And I hope they don't kill off Cordelia. I hope Mallory is the second coming of Christ and not the Supreme.

R556 Make sense, or satisfying? You won't get both

What makes you believe Bassett will be back as Marie Leveau?

Ramona Royale chomped on Queenie and now has witch blood coursing through her blaxploitation veins.

Wouldn't have been smarter for this show to use Angela Basset instead of bringing this other actress I couldn't care less about? She reminded me of the wooden actress on Pose, another Murphy mess, which I surprisingly grew found of for some strange reason.

The French AHS verified twitter account also posted this so it looks like she's back as Marie.

reply 514... Dear Cunt, this is DATALOUNGE. By its very definition a BITCHY gay gossip board. So the people hate watching the show and pissing all over it are actually the ones fulfilling the very spirit of DL. I realize it's been taken over by sycophantic nincompoops by idiotic posters who argue that Jamie Lee should get an Oscar for Halloween; Train Wreck. But it's still DL, a place for heinous detestable bitches to gather and vomit all over Hollywood dreck.

So, if you feel out of place here, it's because YOU ARE. Now go die in a grease fire.

R561 Use your r's love

Can Sandra Bernhardt act like anyone else, other than Sandra Bernhardt?

She's completely one-dimensional.

what part can cody play when ryan does the movie of aaron Hernandez..... maybe an attorney or sumpin….

I sat next to Sandra Bernhard at a Stevie Niicks concert. She was very nice and funny. I liked her a lot.

Bebe from Frasier is in the next episode.

Shoot marry kill. Evan Peters and Matt Bomer and Cheyenne Jackson. Go.

R567 Does shoot mean blow my load in his ass/face?

I'm sorry. I meant shag marry and kill

For me it would be shag Cheyenne Jackson kill Matt Bomer and marry Evan Peters.

If anyone cares, BILLY PORTER will be on the Wendy Williams show tomorrow (10/31). I agree that he was better on POSE- he thinks he's on Broadway, the way he projects on AHS.

R566, I initially read that as Bebe Neuwirth from “Frasier,” not the Bebe played by Harriet Sansom Harris.

I’m happy for Harris (who was just fantastic in her “Phantom Thread” cameo), and now want Neuwirth to show up. She’s just the type of actress Murphy likes to cast: middle-aged with Broadway pedigree, and can be as campy as required. If LuPone can do an arc, so can Lilith.

Fuck Bomer, marry Peters, kill Jackson, obviously. Step-kids rule out Matt for a marriage, cults rule out Cheyenne for even a hook-up.

[quote]Can Sandra Bernhardt act like anyone else, other than Sandra Bernhardt?

She can't but I think that's exactly why people hire her.

Fuck Peters (because he seems like he'd be great at it), Marry Bomer (he seems like the kind of super attractive person that's lazy in bed and according to the legendary AHS behind the scenes thread, nice but boring) and kill Jackson (as someone else said, no culties).

The AHS behind the scenes gossip thread had some juicy tidbits in it if you missed it.

What cult is Cheyenne a part of?

If I remember correctly, he was in Landmark Forum or something similar. One of those personal development scams that function like a decaf Scientology. There were many threads dissecting his personal life a few years ago that mercifully seem to have died down after going too crazy, like long-running celeb threads always do here.

R562 Use THIS, dear. Go find that grease fire, it's waiting!

Newest episode = pile of smelly feces.

Harriet Sansom Harris was very convincing as Madeline and Sarah Paulson was back as Venable (pre-Apocalypse version) but other than that it was the worst episode of the season. This show simply fails miserably when it tries to build the episode around new and random characters. Cody Fern isn't strong enough to be the lead, he was so boring.

You're quite right, R577 - and what the fuck was up with those stupid wigs on Peters and Eichner?

[R578] Those wigs were terrible. And I really hate them playing new characters over and over again. Why the fuck do they keep casting Eichner? He's a bottom of the barrel in terms of acting.

Eichner and his shitty voice make my skin crawl

he mus be hung cause he is obnoxious as fuk

R578, they were oddball cultists, like the Turpins.

Eichner turns AHS into amateur hour.

This makes no sense at all. None

Its backstory....basically, we are learning how the robot Meade came into being, and we're meeting members of the so-called Cooperative.

So....Venable would have known who Michael is...and that Meade was a robot BEFORE the bunker. THEN in the preview, it shows her demanding to know who and what the Cooperative is.

This episode is beyond ridiculous - full of foolishness.

Holy bad acting tonight.

I love that Ryan Reynolds is Satans pass around bitch.

Worst episode of the season (so far). The scenes with Sandra Bernhard were cringe-inducing. She was doing her usual comedy-shtick, which felt so out of place and unnecessary. So disappointing after a run of good episodes.

Note: I think Venable is just these guys’ secretary. I don’t think they’ve shared the details of “The Coopertive” with her yet.

This episode was complete cringey trash. Sigh. I keep watching tho lol.

At least Asylum and Roanoke tried to scare you most episodes. Murder House is the only season which weaved a great overall creepy story IMO without being explicitly scary.

My read of this show is that the creators and showrunners are basically daring FX to cancel it by making it as terrible as possible. I am halfway through last night’s episode. It is BAD TV. So bad. Bernhardt is unspeakably bad. The satanic cult is lame, totally neutered from any horrific quality by the way it is being treated. The extended flashback is tedious. Again, this season gets points for having a story, which makes it better than some seasons that were just series of freaky vignettes, but the story is so bad! Why can’t they just hire writers who will write a decent storyline and stick to it without awful distractions and idiotic campiness? Bernhardt’s presence makes me think of Andy Cohen (They’re friends, and he gave her a radio show.), and some aspects of him certainly could be horrific—I wouldn’t want to meet him in a dark steamroom full of needles—but mostly it’s just all bad, derivative camp. Dad jokes plus gay stereotypes plus devil worship stereotypes. This series belongs on Logo with The Lair.

Harriet Sansom Harris didn’t take direction well...she did pretty well and obviously didn’t get the note this is a showcase for bad performances.

Dear Ryan Murphy,

Your show is terrible. But I know how to make it better. Instead of casting Sarah Paulson in every other role and expecting her to master each one as if she is Meryl Streep, why not cast her in every single role? Make her the sexy young guy and the haggard old woman. Because we don’t watch a show called American Horror Story to be scared or for an engrossing story. We watch it because all of us have altars to Sarah Paulson in our bedrooms. We worship her because she is an actor with true star quality. That’s why she gets $25 million for every feature she leads!

Oh, wait, she has no charisma and couldn’t lead a rat out of a sinking ship. Never mind.

The Antichrist can make people spontaneously combust but he needs coked up losers to run a 3-D printer.

I was kind of wondering, R594, ,why he didn't have the power to resurrect her. Or, I mean, use the power since they established he can do shit like Cordelia can.

R595 Right. He one-upped her on the seven wonders. He retrieved dead people from hell. It’s just poor writing from people whom I’m guessing care a lot more about sassy bitchy one-liners than a story with integrity. As a gay man, I’m really offended that everyone seems to have accepted gay men care only about fucking, hot bodies, glamour and bitchiness. I need story, not another pretty person with abs who can’t act. Go ahead and burn me at the stake for blasphemy, DL.

They seemed to be *badly* infusing references to Rosemary's Baby and The Exorcist in last night's episode.

This has been the only season that I have disliked. It's boring. I honestly could not care less how it ends. I'll keep watching since my husband likes it. Evan Peters and Sarah Paulson seemingly lost the ability to act. I am so disappointed because this is my favorite show. Is anyone else as disappointed as I am?

R598 IMO this season started off more interestingly than what I’ve seen since the Coven season—and it predictably fell off the cliff immediately. Why is AHS your favoeite show? I think it’s awful.

I really liked the last few post-bunker episodes, but the one last night was pretty terrible. It was fun seeing Sandra and Harriet, though.