Part 14: Dangling Tendrils, Ill-Fitting Gowns, is it Time for a Style Intervention for New Royal Duchess Meghan?

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With all of the other royals in attendance, including George and Charlotte as page boy and bridesmaid, I don't think Buckaroo will get much attention. The media and the public like younger (30somethings and below) royals to look pretty or beautiful. Failing that, to be wearing something spectacular or extremely entertaining. Meghan has always simply been a WTF. Kate upstaged her and her BFF Jessica Mulroney simply by getting out the car. The mothers who were escorting the child bridal attendants pulled up in four cars at the front of the church, Jessica's in the enter. Jessica swayed up center steps, Pippa-ing her little heart out, but the photogs stampeded after Kate, every media outlet switched to a Kate-centric perspective, and when it did go back to Jessica's backside, Little Charlotte was waving madly from the step above, completely upstaging. I think we've seen every card in Meghan's fashion deck, and it's just boring at this point. She'll go sleeveless or strapless, maybe resurrect her boatneck neckline, slather copious "glow" on her collarbones and face, do her sashay, walk very deliberately and slowly, and give little coy waves to the crowd.

I just don't want Eugenie to play it conservatively. I want her to full Eugenie, and look nothing like Hollywood (I loved the Vogue spread). A lot of the European royal brides have been slender little things, none with Eugenie's hourglass, so I want her to play that up with bells on.

I don't think Charles is going to give the girls the boot. Clearly, they are well-liked among the family. They both have "jobs" and decent trust funds, and both live at Kensington Palace, I believe. Most importantly, they are socially very popular - both are still good friends with Harry's wealthy exes, for instance. Eugenie turned up at Chelsy Davy's jewelry launch. So for the girls, they will add some value to the firm while not costing very much. Meantime, Harry's stock is dropping. I'm sure Charles loves him, but Meghan and Harry have not been covering themselves with glory. I am almost more apprehensive waiting to see what Harry wears to Eug's wedding than I am Markle. He's been a slob lately.

What is going on with Harry that he has gotten so slovenly of late?

Drugs.

R2 - I'm sorry to hammer on this, but could you provide some proof that "Harry stock is dropping"? I've always thought him dumber than a box of rocks, I'm not keen on ginges, he's losing what looks he had rapidly, and I thought his choice of a wife particularly sad and misguided.

But hey, that's just me and this is DL.

Show me a recent YouGov or Opinium-ICM or BMG poll that shows Harry and Meghan well under 50% and I'll believe you. Otherwise, this is just wishful thinking in another echo chamber.

Whoever wrote the story about Eugenie going to Sparkle for wedding advice must in hospital today getting his or her split ribs taped up.

The York girls resented Kate for a good while and may still, Eugenie stepped around Kate in the first Christmas exit from Sandringham church as the photogs mobbed the new Duchess of Cambridge in her charming claret outfit, as Kate stopped to let them get their snaps. You should have seen Eugenie's face as she deliberately finally stepped around Kate so she could make her exit. But at least the York girls can say to themselves, All right, but at least we know it's William's bride and she's going to be Queen. One can only imagine their feelings about the upstart C-list divorced 37 year old biracial climber stealing their thunder . . . .

Go to Sparkle for wedding advice? Yes, and Hansel and Gretel were just out in the woods that day to get some Sunday roast recipes from the local witch.

R3, he looks terrible these last few months.

OMG who knocks on the door of Kensington palace? The Royals are going to have to get restraining orders against her relatives.

Anyone know the story behind this picture?

I think it's Positano.

76 Engagements for upcoming tour.

R9 - The Real Question is: will she be wearing her slut shoes for all of them?

Second question: this is the most "work" she's ever done so will she collapse from exhaustion??? She could due to her thin bird legs and bunions.

R8 Break from the yacht obvs.

R8’s photo is so tense and try hard it’s cringeworthy, but delicious!!!

Was reading on tumblr they're flying commercial for this gig. Kate and Will more often get the air forces of the country they're showing up for.

William is 2nd in line, that's why.

Harry is not.

If Prince Harry is in the room with Meghan, Royal protocol dictates the two "Princesses" must curtsy to his 37-year-old-bi-racial divorced American wife.

I think Harry has gay face for days in this gif. It's in the facial expression that finishes it off.

No, R15.

This article in the Observer references the Queen's updated (in 2012) "Precedence Of The Royal Family To Be Observed At Court". The curtseying and so forth must be followed at "official events and formal dinners."

Not when two of the parties find themselves crossing paths in the normal course. Of course then the Observer article loses its way and talks about how when the princesses cross paths with Markle when Markle is with Harry - getting the mail, say - they must curtsey, but of course they do not. At court. Official events and formal dinners. That's when.

poor Samantha.

i want Harry in bed, so very badly. I would show him a good time. BTW, I'm not some random whore, but I really think he's pretty terrific.

Do you have a date on that, R8?

Why is Harry so immature?I'm not saying he should be serious,stiff or wooden but he's taking the "cute act" too far.He's a 34 year old man,son of a man who'll be king soon,his childish behaviour isn't that cute anymore.

R8, it appears that she was on holiday with girlfriend JM. The snaps are recent, did she have implants removed?

Local hotels in Windsor are apparently offering bargain prices to entice people to the area for the wedding. I hope the poster on the previous thread who insists Yuge's wedding will be Huge is right, but I really think it's going to be a media confection trying mightily to mimic interest.

Kate is technically required to curtsey to Bea and Yuge IF she is not with her husband, but this is only at public events and so far as I know, it has never happened. Meghan is also required to curtsey to them if her husband is not present.

And Yuge and Bea have never to my knowledge in any photo been seen curtseying to William or Harry or either of their wives.

The Order of Preference is a bit like the Pirate's Code - more like guidelines that are ignored most of the time.

Wow, that article on R22 with the instagram screen shots is really hinting hard at a Meghan/Jessica relationship - romantically.

R24, yep

No, Meaghan will not have to curtsey to the York princesses nor will they have to curtsey to her. That's because they have the same rank: Princess of the United Kingdom.

Precedence is not about bowing and curtseying. It's about who gets to enter and/or leave a room first, among other things. If Meaghan and Eugenie were at the same party, Meaghan wouldn't be able to leave until Eugenie did. Of course, if she were there with Harry, the situation would be reversed as then she would be there as his wife.

The precedence shit doesn't apply to private events, like a private party. It applies to formal events and formal dinners.

precedence does apply in private.

Agreed R24 R25 re the series of pics at R22 -

jessicamulroney posts: Happy wife happy life #fakehoneymoon.

under her Instagram pic attached below ( one of the pics in R22 's article )

And in this pic, and many many others, they are either wrapped around each other like lovers, or gazing into each other's eyes.

Couple that with their frequent vacations together - just the two of them - one cannot help but conclude that there's more than just a platonic friendship going on.

As has been mentioned numerous times on this thread, Jess's celeb husband Ben is strongly rumored to be gay... it looks as if she's not at all lonely when glued together with MeMe.

btw - The Positano pics were taken a month after MeMe started dating Harry.

Awfully sporting for the Aussie news site to bring this to the attention of those living Down Under...

R28, no it doesn't.

Meghan us truly vile for throwing herself into Eugenie's wedding plans by claiming they met up at the SoHo Farmhouse to go over wedding details. Eug from the day she was engaged (to someone she dated for FOUR YEARS unlike long distanc short-term arriviste Meg) knew who she wanted to design her gown, what she wanted in a dress, etc. She NEVER needed Meghan's help/

Hell, I'll watch her wedding just to see how the BRF is SO HAPPY about her marrying someone appropriate who belongs in the fam unlike Sashay Meg. Can't wait to see their happy faces unlike the funereal tone of Harry marrying Sparkle.

Willing to place bets now on how Sparkle will attempt to outshine the bride, Kate and every other woman there. And will probably do her hooker walk while being seated while walking down the aisle she did to ALL OF HER ATTENTION in May.

I'm thinking that for Eugenie's wedding, unlike the Sparkle / Harry event, there will be a complete, obvious video clip of the classic curtsy/bow moment. With great shots of the Queen's smile and reaction shot.

I remain convinced that whether by subtle private suggestion of someone high on the food chain or deliberately by the media people because of the Sparkle and Harry restrictions on access, the mysterious cut away to a shot from above instead of the classic curtsy/bow show was all but missing.

We shall see.

God how I would love to see Sparkie trip on those damn stilettos she persists on tottering.

Meghan is merching Soho House's locations and dumb Harry is willing to go along with it. That DM article making it be about all of the summer where they entertained George & Amal and other celebrity guests. MeAgain merched out SoHo Farmhouse to th4e press.

Here's the thing where we all know its a lie. The article claims that the couple loves taking long walks on the property along with her beagle Guy and their new dog Oz. Meg's DOG IS DEAD. Guy was run over in February by a Kensington Palace Protection car after being loose. Her beloved pooch hasn't been seen since. If Guy the beagle was still with us, Meg would be walking him in dog-loving London to gain the love of the British people. That she would have him dragged up as just hanging out in Oxfordshire on their estate the whole time is a joke. Sparkle's entire "Talk of the Town" in the DM is such total BS, top to bottom.

R26 Yuge and Bea are Princesses of the Blood Royal. They outrank both Kate and MEAgain *unless* their husbands are present. They are not equal in precedence.

“Princesses of the blood Royal, such as Princess Beatrice of York and Princess Eugenie of York, rank above Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, when the latter are not accompanied by her husbands. When the Duchess of Cambridge or Duchess of Sussex are joined by their husbands, the roles are reversed with the Duchesses outranking the Princesses”

In r8's photo, doesn't it look like it's been raining? Overcast, wet floor ties but posing like mad with champagne bucket.

Well spotted detective r36! That is a wet terrace.

R1 R7 It was mentioned in the last thread but Scamantha never even went to the Kensington Palace gates, the gate she was photographed at was about half a mile way on a private road full of embassies & billionaire's homes. The photos were taken by Splash News a paparazzi company, so were 100% set up and all the gutter press decided to pick the story up & claim she was refused entry (to a place she never even visited) because they are desperate to get a statement out of Meagain about her family and desperate to get a rise out of Harry who they know hates them. KP keep hoping the whole saga will be forgot about but the Press will continue their bullshit in the hopes someone somewhere will give them a big juicy exclusive, it's sad and pathetic on both sides really.

Oh how I wish Samantha went full camp and posed in front of palace gates, in her wheelchair crying with her arms reaching through the metal bars! A sister’s love and devotion!! She should really use tactic that she LOVES her sister so much and just wants to see her, how MM is royal and snubs common people including family that loves her.

On other news it seems that Keira Knightley is not a fan of BRF.Will Kate's die-hard fans boycott her?

More suggestions of bad taste..

^ More social-climbing sucking-up.

There's a click through slideshow in R41 of her "style transformation" over the years. While not every look in the slideshow is great, there are many, many looks in which Meghan looks stylish, well-dressed, chic with well-fitted clothes. Many of the looks would be absolutely appropriate for the events for which she has recently been so badly dressed. What happened? (Also, for sure she used to have implants).

[quote]"When we have drinks, I will make sure I order whatever she does -- because this woman seems to have the formula for success (and happiness) down pat,"

At least she’s open about her BPD mirroring.

Me has worn so many masks she is basically fucking faceless.

I think for Yuge’s wedding MEAgain will be channelling Alexis Carrington. Of course it won’t fit.

R13 R14 Those tumblr chicks don't know as much as they think they know. Method of travel depends on why they are travelling, and how the trip is being paid for. It's not just the rank of the travelling party. Either the RF travel budget for Official trips or the Country they are visiting is paying. In each case they've got to be accountable to the taxpayers. According to the Express Will & Kate use private planes a lot but they'd have to justify that before it would be allowed. At the moment we're halfway through the financial year, a lot of the travel budget will have been spent and allocated. So if it is coming from the RF travel budget, they have to stay within the limits hence commercial.

I wonder how long before we'll see Bean in the nauseating combination of brown and light grey?

Not trying to be Freudian or anything but does anyone kind of ick when they photographs of that woman draped over those ghostly looking twins?

The gallery at R41 shows the Jessica Mulroney effect is truly disastrous for Meghan. She used to dress in colors, clothes that fitted her well, were appropriate for the occasions. You can see Sparkle going towards more plain black and whites as their friendship progressed. Agreed R43, there are SO many outfits in that gallery that would be perfect for occasions she's attended since marrying Harry, but instead her wardrobe has consisted of nothing but ill fitting, dreary colored inappropriate clothes. She knew how to dress once upon a time. Now that she's a royal she's clueless. She needs to ditch that ghoul Mulroney ASAP, but she never will.

Wow, I'm not a Sparkle fan, but she looks very good in a lot of those slideshow shots.

One thing, though, given how skinny her legs are (and they are really, really skinny) she should stop wearing shoes with extra straps, criss cross, etc because those non-plain shoes just call attention to her bad legs. The eyes are drawn down to her feet with the odd shoes and that means her bad legs.

Well I read some supposedly sourced stuff on tumblr today that I may as well repeat here.

But first, - the tumblr crowd is a royal "fandom". They have opinions. It is all very important to them.

1/Of the anti-Markle crowd (and I found that crowd because she's faker than fake and wanted to read amongst the likeminded), one faction sees Harry as a victim - an heroic victim of the high soap opera stripe who married someone he had grown to hate in order to save something something, noble noble. The people who believe this are never comfortable getting down to the "And how does that work?" conversation. The vague outline is that Meghan has some "info" on the BRF (via Harry - who just made that one little mistake! by telling her!) that must be suppressed. But the BRF is working on things in the background and will emerge victorious!

2/The other factor thinks Harry is a moron, trapped himself into this marriage via the statement to the press, regretted it pretty quickly after he and Megala made their first few post-engagement appearances, but was too chicken shit and ego-driven to back out.

So this latest kind of ties everything together in the form of a pathetic clusterfuck. It's from someone who claims to currently be doing some kind of work for someone high up in Soho House, so they hear dirt.

1) Harry wanted to get married. Not necessarily to Meghan, but to get married. With a quickness. He has the attention span and follow through of a gnat, is jealous of William, and fearful of losing his spotlight. Unsaid is his interest in Invictus is waning plus the continued funding is questionable. Problem is he is not considered marriageable by not just aristo girls and the Lizzy Wilsons of the world, but by many British actresses and celebs (working celebs, with their own income). He was eyeing up likely Soho hostesses. WHY he's not marriageable was not said. I suspect some mix of dimwitted, short-tempered, entitled, alcoholic, erratic, and possibly gay, and not enough money to make it worth someone's while. Plus Brit girls have a better idea of what royal life entails. No fantasies about jewels, private jets and yachts. They know it's a lot of drafty piles in the country and boring "engagements".

to be continued.

Part 2: The fun part of this report starts with our Buckaroo. She sold herself to Soho house somewhat as Anna Devrey sold herself to NYC "society". She told them she was an influencer (the Tig), an up and coming hot actress - just what they want in a brand representative. She's got an international contact list, an influential friend (J. Mulroney) and is who potential Soho members want to be. So why not use her as a brand ambassador, publicize her, comp her at the various Soho outposts, and see how it pays off.

True to form for a woman who can get herself into the room but not close the deal (auditions, dates, etc.) it didn't work out as Meghan promised, plus she charged a fuckton of her high end lifestyle expenses to Soho house and ended up owing Soho house a lot of money. One wonders if any of her trips with Mulroney were among these expenses.

To be continued.

Part 3: when she hooked up with Harry, Harry blabbed to her about all kinds of things. It's not clear if he told her anything truly fatal to the royal family, or if it would be simply very bad news for him if he were caught out being disloyal to his family, particularly William and Prince Charles, no matter what he was actually saying. If he were disparaging them, and was recorded doing it, that would alienate him from his biggest supporters and make him look like an asshole to the public. So, yes, it was recorded.

Supposedly, it was Markus Anderson who said to Meghan, hey, ride this pony as far as you can take it! Here was an opportunity for her to actually be the influencer she had falsely claimed to be when she initially grifted so much money from Soho (which included paid PR). AND, if her profile got high enough to start merching, she might be able to pay them back.

So she got to hint around on Tig, get on the cover of Vanity Fair, blah blah, until paydirt - Harry made his statement to the press.

To be continued:

Part 4: Supposedly marriage was never the original end game. The engagement happened, and the reason she got "appearances" right away was Harry begged his father and grandmother. Meghan wanted to merch with a quickness. But then she decided she wanted to go through with the marriage, and Harry was too vain and cowardly to back out. Supposedly the family (whom Harry did not fully share the extent of what he was recorded saying, just that it would shame him to the public) had some lawyers in the week of the wedding and made Meghan an offer that included a house, but she turned it down. And supposedly the family, including Prince Charles, wasn't exactly killing themselves to stop the wedding. The offer was a gesture, but when it was rejected, the attitude was "This is your mess." And "You made your bed, you're gonna have to sleep in it." IOW, Markle is your problem, we're not going to get you out of it. They went through the motions with her, but in large part are leaving them to it, including their various lame engagements which are only photo ops to keep up appearances. No follow through or true engagement from the happy newlyweds. Supposedly Harry had to beg dad to pay for what he did pay for with the wedding. Charles wants to be fair but Meghan's financial problems are bigger than Charles is willing to handle, so whatever RF money is coming Meghan's way is via Harry, which is why he looks so slovenly and cheap. HE'S cheap, and having to actually use some of his money on her is not a happiness for him.

To be continued.

Part 5: Supposedly Harry is being his immature, irresponsible self. Remember he left the army in 2015 and afterwards tagged along with Will and Kate a great deal. He didn't get the solo appearance education and training his brother got, plus he's stupid. So in addition to the rest of it, he's letting Meghan run the appearance show, since the BRF has washed their hands. They have seen something THEY are getting out of it, which is that the Cambridges look GREAT in comparison every time the Hazbeens are in public, so they don't mind that the Harkles are so bad. The Cambridges are the future, not the Harkles.

Of course every time Meghan fucks up it is immediately followed by some story that disses Catherine or another royal, or a story about how Meghan is just too good to be true (Eugenie is consulting her about the wedding, Charles loves her best of all, Harry can't keep his hands off her, blah blah blah). This is supposedly coming from Soho House PR - it is Soho House that pays for Sunshine Sachs. AND, as with the Hobbs Kitchen cookbook, a public royal engagement is followed by a Soho House promotion, as Harry and Meghan went to the Amsterdam Soho house right after the cookbook. Harry is practically working for Soho house at this point.

Nobody wants Meghan to play pregnancy games on the tour coming up, because the only reason these countries agreed to have them (the BRF asked) is in hopes it would boost tourism, and if she suddenly says she's going to opt out and play it safe on a beach in NZ cause she's pregnant and Tonga and Fiji are too Zika-riddled, those countries are going to be pissed.

Finally, the source said as far as anyone can tell, Meghan only wants appearances so she can merch, only merches to get the money she owes Soho, but as Soho continues to pay for her publicity, nobody knows how she'll ever come out ahead. It's like owing the mob. And an additional problem is she has to hide the merch money lest the taxman want a word with her (you know the US tax problems US citizens have abroad), so there is speculation she has trouble accessing even her smaller portion of the merch cash, as it's not in an account she can access easily.

This all sounds like the kind of mess Harry would get into, and to me it is plausible ONLY because I believe he IS unmarriagable, IS jealous and resentful of his brother's perfect wife and perfect life, and HAS let the "Harry is the most popular royal" shit go to his head, and thus made some really stupid moves. And it's drama, which is a distraction from him actually confronting and dealing with himself. It's a perfect drama where the loveable scamp younger brother that big brother looks after, protects and steadies is actually eaten up by envy and would love to see his brother take a hit or two, unbeknownst to big brother.

Like I said several times, all this is a great replacement for the old time night time soaps.

If any of this is true, Harry really threw away his reputation among Royal fans, didn't he?

And I still say Sparkle and Dim are NOT moving into apartment 1 in KP. You know, the apartment with the connecting doors on each floor to William and Kate's home. Not gonna happen.

R56 - Quite a saga you've provided for us - the problem is, there isn't an iota of evidence, and I'm still waiting for evidence that HazBean's public appearances aren't going down well with the public.

Some of it sounds quite plausible - the bits about British aristo girls not wanting to marry him, Charles refusing to pay off Sparkle's debts to Soho House, and the BRF washing their hands of all but the most perfunctory obligations to put a good face on the marriage - like the Queen's obligatory one day appearances with Sparkle, just as she did one once with Kate a year after the Cambridge wedding.

What sounds totally not credible to me are stories that it was never supposed to lead to marriage, because without the marriage, any advantages Markle would have gotten from dating Harry would be up in smoke five minutes after the breakup was announced. She HAD to get her hands on that title, the wedding, the ring, and ensure her face was plastered across the globe, or it was all for nought. The last lines of that Vanity Fair article gave the whole game away.

R49, yes. In my head, Jessica Mulroney is mixed up with Elizabeth Hammer. They’re going for the same kind of thing.

The Mulroney’s house seems nice and all, but it’s very close to the neighbors and seems rather pedestrian. The neighborhood looks very much like the regular middle class homes of the kids I grew up with. Again, I’m not bashing it. I’m just surprised they don’t live in a more palatial place or some penthouse in the city.

This has to be the saddest obsession in DL’s history. No wit, no wisdom, just one tedious vicioupost after another. Come on, if you are going to rip this chick to shreds, step up your game! This shit is teeee-jus.

In fairness, there's not much to work with.

Don’t like it r60? Then move it along toots.

Some of the retrospective pics are sad, though. She's on a red carpet but can't afford to be there. A "Maintenance" t shirt and a sad, empty tote bag? Yes, she wants to clean up at the gifting suites, but clearly this is stuff she's pulled from her own drawers and purchased at a mall, trying to make GAP-style basics look like street style. The thing with the blazer, pearls and cheap jeans looks like she doesn't belong there.

Some of those clothes are terrible and wouldn't work as a royal. The few that are suitable she was clearly styled by the Suits wardrobe team. Although what about that super short, shirred taupe skirt and basic camisole top? She looks as if she wandered in off the street. The one advantage the photos give her is most of the clothing fits her.

"What sounds totally not credible to me are stories that it was never supposed to lead to marriage, because without the marriage, any advantages Markle would have gotten from dating Harry would be up in smoke five minutes after the breakup was announced. She HAD to get her hands on that title, the wedding, the ring, and ensure her face was plastered across the globe, or it was all for nought. The last lines of that Vanity Fair article gave the whole game away."

Not at all. Both of Harry's exes are still famous for being Harry's exes. Meghan would have gotten the same boost. Cressida is working as an actress but it is doubtful she would have been cast as often as she is (despite having a relatively commercial look plus $ and connections) were it not for her history with Harry. I don't think Jecca Craig would have been on camera if not for her presumed history with William. Chelsey Davy's jewelry line gets a big boost from having been Harry's ex. Nobody would have heard of Arya if she started it as an anonymous lawyer/Zimbabwean rich girl. So please with this. As an ex FIANCEE' Meghan would have been seen as getting closer than anyone, she could have spun it as that when she got to the point of actually committing, she realized she could not give up her independence, autonomy, "voice", blah blah blah, as delightful as Harry is. Good God, an American had the princess dream in her hand and gave it up! What kind of superwoman/role model is this? And so forth.

It could have been gold. She could have milked it forevermore, particularly as, as things stand, she was very likely to be the closest Harry had come to marriage for a long, long time. "The bachelor prince only came close to the altar once, but after a whirlwind engagement,the American actress Meghan Markle walked away, preferring the uncertainties of an independent life in America than having her hours proscribed for the rest of her days, even if it were in a gilded cage. All the more remarkable because the young woman is self-made and lacks the family trust funds and safety net Harry's previous inamoratas enjoyed."

The bottom line per this report is short term. If Meghan is the narc people say she is, then like all narcs she's a short term thinker. She wanted to insta-elevate her profile so she could MERCH. And nobody can deny that merching is the thing she has been doing since the day the engagement was announced. Say anything you like about her, argue whether they are "loved up" or appear bound in a marriage of convenience, but merch her ass off she has done and will continue to do. The rest of it? Blah blah bullshit. She wanted a merching profile. She's done literally nothing else with the position. NOTHING. All the stuff people think the marriage would bring her - she ignores it. She wants to merch.

Her long term goal is to be a lifestyle influencer. She'll never get there because there is no "there there" but the ex-fiancee is her best bet to sell herself to American girls.

She may not be a lifestyle influencer but I have full confidence she'll be a cautionary tale. That's almost as good, isn't it?

In addition, Meghan Markle could have used the biracial card as an all time high card. The American media was already touting her being the first black woman to marry into the royal family. The American media would have been delighted with a narrative that pretended every rich white girl in North America and Europe would have sold their grandmother for a chance at a duchess or princess title but this half-black American actress from modest beginnings who made herself into a success all on her own turned her back at the opportunity. Being the ex Mrs. Andrew hasn't made Fergie rich, and they had two kids. Her duchess title impresses nobody. Nobody's like - oooh, ahhh, Fergie's a duchess!

It's a joke.

Being the ex Mrs. Harry isn't going to make Meghan Markle rich or even that famous when all is said an done. If she doesn't pop out kids - and my bet is she can't and therefore won't - she's even more irrelevant. She has the damn title. What is she doing with it but dragging her bare legs and dirty shoes around in a bunch of over-sized, wrinkled garments, touching her fingers to her hair so we can see the hat or the bracelet, or holding the straps of a handbag between the tips of two fingers at elbow height so it's in the shot, even though the plastic protection is still on the bottom metal bumpers? The ex-fiancee was a better gig; she's an asshole and a dumb ass. She's losing the sunk cost race. As long as Soho promotes her, and someone is churning out these stories, she'll owe them, and between the cash in-flow/income concealment/ tax challenges and probably not being able to pay them off faster than she's accumulating more Soho debt, she's on the losing end. She'd have been worth more being the woman who dumped a prince.

R66, her circumstances are too bizarre to be a cautionary tale. I mean, she makes Angelina Jolie look like an amateur. Angelina Jolie had a head start - real looks (pre-plastic surgery), connections up the whazoo, and an early start (she was in one of her dad's movies when she was a child). Only people wired like Meghan could learn from Meghan - nobody else would have the energy, the gall, the heartlessness (all the people jettisoned from her life without a backward glance as soon as they lost utility or didn't help her brand), and, most of all, the capacity to endure humiliation.

More Datalounge invention, R57?

“And I still say Sparkle and Dim are NOT moving into apartment 1 in KP. You know, the apartment with the connecting doors on each floor to William and Kate’s home. Not gonna happen”.

Kensington Palace is not your local Holiday Inn Express - these aren’t interconnecting rooms that the duty manager unlocks for family groups.

These are large adjoining houses - think brownstones on the UES and UWS. They’re not apartments as you would understand them.

Also apartment 1 is currently occupied by the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester (Google is your friend here). Just because the Mail Online would like them to move out doesn’t mean that they will. That decision rests with the Monarch, not with whichever illiterate hack currently edits the Mail.

Alternatively provide links to proof of the interconnecting doors and I’m happy to stand corrected.

I feel quite sorry for Harry if she can't give him children. He's made it clear he wants to be a father. But, he chose her so he's stuck with her.

Whoever makes up those "theories" needs to get a life.95% percent of Brits don't care.Even the BRF doesn't care as much as these conspiracy theorists do.

Okay, I'm going to make an embarrassing admission. I've tried to be a sane, reasonable participant on these threads. The truth is, I'm a gay man, who has an enormous attraction to Harry. I don't care for his wife because I think she's a cheap, desperate fame-whore. Harry is always referred to as 'dim' and 'stupid' here. I don't really know why. If he's really a naif, that just makes me feel more protective of him. And that's exactly what I feel. I love Harry's deep, husky voice, and his easy way with children. I'd have his kids (if that were possible). I'd give up my butt virginity if he asked for that (please never ask for that).

Those who think William's life is perfect are dead wrong.Kate is not perfect either.Nobody in this world is.

I think that part of the problem is that people still refer to William and Harry (esp Harry) as “the boys”, as if it’s still 1997. They’re both much closer to being middle aged than boys. One of them acts his age and the other is a bit of a Lost Boy who needs to grow up.

All these theories. There's even one commenter on the DM who claims MM is an undercover CIA spy. My take is the simplest and therefore most likely - Harry stated that he envied his brother life with wife, children and dog and wanted the same for himself. He stated, 'Who would have me?' and from that we can extrapolate that no one was eager to take on royal duties as his wife, possibly also due to his own flaws and limitations. He stated that since his past gfs dumped him because of media scrutiny, he needed to find someone who actually enjoyed it, ie, a celebrity. I think he knew he could never compete with his brother the future king, so he decided to be the super-cool one, the anti-William, and marry the anti-Kate, not a dutiful English rose, but a spectacular.American star. And then the inevitable happened - he got caught by someone much cleverer and more experienced than himself, a hustler of the highest order. And now it has blown up in his face, because the British public, HIS EMPLOYER, has made it plain that they object to the woman he has chosen to be on his team.

Over on tumblr, the financial geniuses think any financial payoff was bound to fail. "What if they gave her 10 million pounds? Would that last her the rest of her LIFE?"

Sure it would. Make it a trust, live off the income. Easy. Never work again. Fold in a home, and you've got a base of operations. For a hustler like Meghan who can pretend no money is a lot of money just by brazening through, it would be plenty. Fergie could have lived off the relatively modest settlement she received (2 million pounds? 4 million pounds?) but she's a reckless spendthrift and investor. And that's what would have sunk Meghan. She'd have spent myopically spent it.

Of course, if the RF were smart, they'd insist the settlement be in trust so the ex-wives wouldn't come back in years down the line with their hat out once more. Why didn't they put Fergie's settlement in trust? If they did, why was she broke so often?

I don't think Harry wants kids. I think that kid-loving, endearing, class clown guy is his schtick. He stares into kids eyes, mirrors their expression, acts like a big kid, aaaand ... SCENE. I think the rest is PR. There's the video of him knocking the heads of those two kids together before leaving. One of the kids opened his mouth in surprise and reaction and rubbed his head, so it must have stung. William doesn't act like a big kid when he talks to kids. He acts like a dad. He's respectful, picks up on their demeanor, respects their personal space. Harry comes in there doing his big kid act regardless of whether the kid is into it, and that is not being good with kids. That young girl he pulled from the crowd at a first appearance with Meghan. The girl was black and wanted to be an actress, so he brought her over to Meghan. First of all, he should have brought Meghan to her. You don't pull a strange kid out of a crowd away from their minders; it's rude. Second, he had Meghan hug her - using her as nothing but a prop. The girl's arms stayed straight at her sides. So it's schtick. That poor motherless Harry, just a big kid himself is b.s. Remember just this past January a fellow polo player called him out for being an asshole, and William apologized to the guy for Harry's behavior and demeanor. And his and Cressida's friends both said they are very young for their ages, very entitled, and spoiled. Harry doesn't WANT kids, he doesn't want that responsibility. He wants the perks of BEING a kid, being a scamp, and it's aging on him by now. At Meghan's cookout dealie, Harry "stole" some samosas, "snuck" away with them very conspicuously until he saw a camera had found him, and then he played to the camera. That's him. He's no family man. He's the spoiled youngest and hasn't made a move to grow up.

How long can his "big kid" act go on now that his baldness is becoming more and more evident?

Those photos are cheesy as hell! Awkward, looks to have been heavily influenced by the Barbizon school of modeling. Strictly car show and low rent.

The big lovable kid, is really all he has to bring up to this point, bald spots and all!

R8: "All these theories. There's even one commenter on the DM who claims MM is an undercover CIA spy. My take is the simplest and therefore most likely"

If you do say so yourself. There are plenty of other simple theories that fit Harry's pattern of behavior - not words - behavior, far better.

" Harry stated that he envied his brother life with wife, children and dog and wanted the same for himself."

I don't believe him. I think he envied the approval and attention it brought William. He had the Jan syndrome. Marcia Marcia Marcia! He's not accepting of his position. He knows he's the spare, but the media has fawned on him, the BRF PR went overboard and then some with the post-Vegas rehab narrative, and IMO it went to his head. He never did anything to rehab himself, he just got a new narrative and kept the seedy stuff out of the press.

"He stated, 'Who would have me?' and from that we can extrapolate that no one was eager to take on royal duties as his wife, possibly also due to his own flaws and limitations."

POSSIBLY? POSSIBLY? Please. That's it in one. A cheater. A spoiled baby. Bad tempered. Irresponsible and reckless. Cheap. What a catch.

" He stated that since his past gfs dumped him because of media scrutiny, he needed to find someone who actually enjoyed it, ie, a celebrity. "

I don't recall him saying that he needed to find a celebrity. However, his past girlfriends dumped him because of him, not media scrutiny. Media scrutiny is the whitewash they put on it. He's the problem. If he were capable of having a mature relationship and behaving maturely in it, he would find a girl who would stick it out. Kate, IMO, loves William very much but could do without some of the deadly boring engagements and a lot of the public part of her job. Nothing about her says she'd rather be partying or having a more truly glamorous lifestyle either. She could have married a rich aristo but she loved William. William and she get dragged for the time they took, but considering they met so young, it made sense for them to ride out the growing up stages of the middle twenties until they were safely mature and knew themselves well enough to commit. That took maturity on both their parts.

"I think he knew he could never compete with his brother the future king, so he decided to be the super-cool one, the anti-William, and marry the anti-Kate, not a dutiful English rose, but a spectacular.American star. "

Wait - then why did he marry Meghan Markle, a Z list basic cable actress 4 years older than himself whom nobody had ever heard of? And nobody had ever heard of her show either? AND it was the only real thing on her resume?

I think he definitely wanted instant gratification and to one-up William, and I think he believed at first that Meghan's acting background would make her poised and effective at engagements. He showed confidence in her at first, but by the time she showed up to events with pants dragging in the slush, or stilettos on the sports turf, or wandering away from a conversation station before the time was up, he realized she was a weirdo but he lacked the stones to back out. I think at first he did think marrying a biracial woman would be uber cool, but again, by the time the engagement was half done, her bizarre behavior and complete disinterest in learning the job had hit him between the eyes, but he kept going. He already knew she wasn't good at it by then, he'd started to look wary. He'd started to wrangle her. The family started keeping their distance. I think initially he didn't care about his personal life much but liked the statement the engagement, marriage, and having this wife would make, but it backfired. BEFORE the wedding, it had already backfired.

"then the inevitable happened - he got caught by someone much cleverer and more experienced than himself, a hustler of the highest order."

Continued:

Please, you can see her from space. If she were a hustler of the highest order the public would adore her. Instead from the engagement interview with her OTT faux earnestness and word salad, everybody had her number. She moves in with the Soho people, who are all cheap hustlers, all of them. Fake tan, plastic surgery, drug problems, fake cvs, fake backgrounds, histories swept under the rug. Fact: Harry wasn't taken in by a hustler of the highest order. He played himself. She's as basic as they come.

It's blown up in his face because she's a basic grifter and there's a certain car wreck fascination with how the fuck did this happen? Let's pretend Diana was ALSO a narc, a borderline, a manipulator, etc. etc. There's evidence for it. How was Charles taken in? Well SHE was of the highest order, some conscious, some just circumstance. Aristocratic family, very young (19), big blue eyes, soft voice, knew how to dress, knew how to handle herself in public. Just watch her - she plays around sometimes but when it matters she is ON POINT from the curtsy at the wedding to standing in the spotlight on the side supporting Charles to supervising William as he signs something. She's familiar with the life of a country estate - was raised in it. Her family has been entwined with the BRF since she was a child. She pretends to love life at Balmoral. Most people would be taken in.

Meghan is no Diana. You could SEE her. How do you see a 33 year old woman who is on basic cable, doesn't own anything, has no family she acknowledges, most of her friends she's had for only a couple of years, the make-up is troweled on, and etc. etc. etc. You see what she is.

I think they have a plan to adopt some black orphan from Africa bc she’s infertile and it would be oh so politically correct, and wouldn’t that just be a grand way for Harry to get back at everyone he blames for mom’s death? Maybe that’s why he was in Africa recently.

Just compare Harry to the guy who for years people thought was a bad influence on both Harry and William. Guy Pelley. Several license suspensions for drunk driving. I don't think he's an aristo, but he's rich, and seemingly exemplified a models and bottles lifestyle. When he got married, he got serious. Yes, he married a rich woman, an American heiress, but a very well educated one, a reputedly very sensible one, and in no sense a babe. She's attractive, intelligent, not a head turner. Doesn't seem to be a fool. Surely if Pelly were still immature, she could have found another socially placed Brit to marry. She's richer than rich. They get married, they have a baby. I just think it's really rich that Guy freaking Pelly can grow up and Harry refuses.

Great posts, R82, and we do agree on most things. Tell us how you predict it will play out.

I just wandered over to tumblr, and while I enjoy the Meghan bashing and agree, it is intertwined with she is a creature of George Soros, the globalism conspiracy, destable-izing feminist conspiricies, child trafficking, and has been illustrated with a photoshopped portrait of the royal family in blackface with dreads. So I prefer things here.

Wasn't he in Africa with his rumored boyfriend, Adam something? The guy who is always around?

I don't think Harry wants anything to do with kids. IMO they are foils for him to show his charm. But to put himself second and make himself responsible for the well being and upbringing of a small human, I do not see it. And Meghan seems absolutely allergic to kids. I hope I'm right, because I think she has no interest in them and will not have any (or can't, but even if she could, she wouldn't). That makes her better, if I'm right, than some who don't like kids but have them for PR reasons or branding. For some reason I think she won't do that, no matter how much some people think it's critical for her long term strategy.

Meghan repels kids. In all of her outings with Harry when they have to interact with children, they pay her no mind and actively ignore her. She gives off zero maternal vibes and kids see through her as fake.

Kate on the other hand, kids were begging her for hugs at her first appearance back from maternity leave last week. She did nothing to initiate it, children are just drawn to her as she radiates a love for little ones. Megs, the exact opposite.

I still can't get over Sparkle wearing a full black pantsuit for that event with Harry for terminally ill children. WHO DOES THAT? Children respond to bright colors and black makes their little brains turn off and be unhappy. Did Meg care? No. She was far more interested in showing off a $3K designer outfit.

Kate's got an engagement today and no doubt she will be pure class with a probably recycled British brand. Can't wait for the DM comments. MeAgain is the best thing to ever happen to Kate. She's now beloved after Spendy's hatred of British designers, ill fitting clothes and obvious merching in outfits that cost thousands of dollars and look like crap.

I think PH is gay too . And immature also

As you said, R65, all of Harry’s exes are rich and/or girls. Meghan is neither. She had to “secure the bag” as they put it on Lipstick alley. The “runaway bride” could work if she was twenty-something and had any career prospects, not thirty-something quickly aging out of the only colour in her acting palette, emploi ingenue. What would she do with the publicity of “dumping Harry”? He’d have married the next in line, and the press would be all over his bride, ignoring MM. She could try to bag some other wealthy man, but that’s still a long shot. Look at Amber Heard, she hasn’t managed so far to parlay her divorce from Johnny Depp into anything worthwhile career-wise or in terms of marrying another rich guy, and she has a lot more going for her than MM.

And it is simply not fair to compare MM to Kate when it comes to kids, R88. Not only Kate has three of her own, she also has two younger siblings and a close-knit extended family. People who have little or no experience with kids tend to be awkward around them, but it doesn’t mean they cannot become good parents (it remains to be seen though if Meghan is interested in ever becoming one).

Fascinating insights and theories! Keep them coming, please!

R89 She's wearing Emilia Wickstead today, so British based brand at least and I'm pretty sure it's recycled too. Meghan REALLY needs to start taking tips. Interestling enough Emilia Wickstead was the designer who claimed the Meghan wedding dress was stolen from one of her designs.

She looks absolutely lovely, R93. That color on her is WOW. And of course the hair looks divine.

My, my, my. That's a high bar for chicken ankles to jump over.

She recycled an Emelia Wickstead lilac dress she wore in her 2017 visit to Germany with Wills. Still looks fresh and stylish. She's absolutely effortless unlike color-hating, British designer snubbing Meghan. Kate's even wearing the same shoes she wore to Wimbledon when she was forced to pose along her high priced, ill-fitting arriviste sister in law.

Kate does look good - she has a lovely figure and dresses to flatter it. Her hair is beautiful. Wills chose well indeed.

Their body language is of 2 confident, independent people who are a good team and who interact well with other humans. So different than MeAgain simpering, clinging and sashaying. So different than Harry putting on like a toddler with a hand in the cookie jar or meanly knocking the heads of little boys together.

My, my, my. That's a high bar for chicken ankles to jump over.

R94 I love you!

Actually, I think the threads on Markle have been an interesting mixture of sane, shrewd observations, outrageous gossip (that is why we;re here, remember?), and some obsessive stuff from people who give way too much credence to rumour and the kind of stuff that the Internet is so fabled for seeding. Not to mention some very astute discussions on fashion. I really don't think it's any more of a sad obsession than, say, favourite horror films, ice-skaters, and old TV shows.

It's a bit like Shakespeare: when all's said and done, we basically only know for sure four things about him: where and when he was born, where and when he died, whom he married, and the names of his two children. Those are the only prima facie facts we have.

Similarly with Harry and Meghan - he's clearly dumb, she's clearly barely able to conceal her climbing claws, her taste in clothes sucks, and her self-interest so overpowering that she is willing to risk the distaste of the British public and her in laws by refusing to support the side by wearing British fashion.

Beyond that, we don't know much, but speculation is allowed here, with the invaluable help of the Daily Mail, or what's a gossip site for?

Meanwhile, back to fashion: speaking of the Daily Mail, they published Kate today out in a recycled dress (they had "recycled" in large point type to make clear who they were shading) by Emilia Wickstead. The dress is one of Kate's prettiest, a lilac coloured number that fits her to perfection and shows off her tiny waist and pretty legs (take that, Sparkle). They published the photo of her today next to the first time she wore it in 2017 in Hamburg, and she looks the same in both, despite having given birth less than six months ago.

She looks quite lovely, and the dress, certainly not cheap at £1350, nevertheless is used by the DM to contrast Kate's"thriftiness", her simple, perfectly fitted taste in a beautiful feminine colour, and her support for British fashion, to the unmentioned DoS's overblown, badly fitting, extravagant, fussy, and obdurately non-British choices, not to mention the impossibility of her ever being able to look like a wholesome Home Counties Girl Turned Princess.

Well, it's true: Meghan can't look like this in a simple dress, she doesn't have the figure or the temperament to carry it off.

Slide show of Kate and Will today.

Why is everyone so convinced that perfect Kate would have married a rich aristo if she hadn't met William?Is she not capable of falling in love with a painter,musician,actor,football player,doctor,bank manager etc?

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R101, upper middle would have been fine, as long as he was rich and well-connected.

R105 The whole thing about recycling an outfit to not 'steal the limelight' from the bride seems dumb to me. There will be articles on each famous woman who goes to the royal wedding regardless. Look how much was wrote are about Kate's outfit at Meghan's wedding & EVERY other woman there. Kate will wear a recycled outfit because that's what she does, doesn't mean it's now a rule the anyone else has to follow... These etiquette (and fashion) experts just seem like they're making shit up half the time.

William looks very good in those photos at r100. Shorter hair and maybe slimmed down a bit?

It didn't register at first but Kate isn't wearing black eyeliner under her eyes. So *someone* finally got through to her that this was a harsh and aging look. Her hair looks better when its just below her shoulders and with a few highlights.

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Dear, pretty, poised Kate. Absolutely everything you’d want in a Duchess and mother. If only there were more like her.

R75 Fingers and toe crossed that MM is a CIA operative. What's the end game? Is the CIA trying to bring down the BRF? Is Camilla CIA too?

R110 - I think she should let her eyebrows grow out. They're over plucked and make her face look harsh.

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R113, I thought her brows ― and the rest of her ― looked beautiful and natural at today's Mental Health Summit:

I suspect it’s a little from Column A and a little from Column B r114. His friends may have frozen her out because SSAA and will never understand nor fit in, she retaliates by telling Harry they were mean to her and must be dropped.

R114 Another Insiders Say/Source Close to the couple article *rolls eyes*, Kensington Palace sure does have alot of leaks. The fact that they want us to believe that Harry was peer pressured into being a drunken dick all those years is hilarious, I'm sure someone made him wear that Nazi uniform too.

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R85, I'm old enough to know this is going to drag on much longer than a lot of observers want or predict. Mostly because Harry has nothing else to do. He is directionless. I believe reports that he's been a no show at the planning for the next Invictus. If it's true he's foisting Meghan on them as closing speaker, that is hubris of the highest order and will finish him with the vets, and with people who love him because of the vet tie-in. I think a wife can be closing speaker, but if she's invested. If she's been at all the meetings, had input, helped solve problems. Earned it. But the past couple of Invictus have been hijacked by Harry's love life. For him to insist at this one that his wife do the closing speech is disrespectful and exploitative, and he'll pay.

He's the problem, not Meghan. So many places I read, well, her past will come out. Pfffttttt. The royal family has had seedier people in it than her. If she behaved and took it seriously, her past would be no issue. Nobody cares. Or people think her ridiculous dress and behavior will embarrass him at some point to where he pulls the plug. Well, he'd have to cut out some of his embarrassing behavior first, wouldn't he?

Anyhow, for me the bottom line is he has nothing else going on and isn't developing anything else. The commonwealth schtick the queen gave him gets worse and worse with the two of them patronizingly blathering about "unique cultures" and talking down. The BRF are former colonialists, the Lord and Lady Bountiful tone is not the way to play it. He'll get off on the sympathy of "fans" who think the poor boy is stuck, but he'll do nothing. Whatever his real personal life is, we won't know about it. At some point she'll leave him; he won't leave her.

I think Meghan and Harry were dumped and Meghan is the type to immediately claim she did the dumping, and throw shade at the same time. Or rather Soho house is doing this for her, or paying Ken Sunshine to do it for her.

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Let the DoS teeth gnashing commence. It's going to be a wild weekend.

The new bride is worth about $200 million according to reports, the Duchess of Suck will be raging internally.

$200,000,000!?! Can I redivorce him?

I do believe she owes money to Soho house.

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U.S. blinds are reporting Skippy Inskip is out because he's the one who arranged for Megs' and PH's original "pay for playdate", oops, I mean "blind date", and he knows too much about her other "blind dates".

What the hell does Trevor have going on to get a second wife worth $200M? Meghan must be gnashing her teeth. One of the fun parts of this whole story for me is that I believe Meghan was so used to marketing, bullshitting, creating narratives out of nothing, and she's also a short-sighted narc, that she never tested her assumptions about the royal family. I believe for her the royal family was a montage of Kate on a yacht in a white bikini, lounging on William's leg. It was skiing in Klosters and it was Diana posed forlornly on the diving board of a mega yacht, never mind the guy she was dating was a coke addict supported by his dad the arms dealer, NOT the royal family. It was Diana in mega-jewels and mega couture. I don't believe Meghan ever parsed out the difference as in - oh say, CHARLES was Prince of Wales. Perhaps I should look at Fergie or Sophie or Autumn to reality test my assumptions about life with Harry, Mr. 6th in Line. I don't believe Meghan ever sorted that it was Harry and William's friends who owned the yachts or the ranches in Africa, that Kate's family has money and paid for other perks, etc. If Harry lived strictly royal, NO connections, it would be NotCot, 400k, and... that's about it. And when Harry marries a woman who can't stop blabbing to the tabloids undermining everyone he knows, the invites will dry up.

Bottom line is Harry's personal income via Diana's trust is approximately 400k annually. Perks galore of course. Access - if someone else pays. Free housing - hey, did you know the hotel adjacent to Kensington Palace has an unobstructed view into the outdoor spaces?

For Sparkle, it's only fun being her if everyone else loses. (Ghosting everyone else.)

Trevor's marriage to a woman whose dad is filthy rich (without having to shake hands with all those peasants) must chap her ass.

Karma? Fucking over Trevor worked out quite well for him in the end. In fact, he got what MM has been chasing. Plus his wife is a looker and not a hooker.

And r128, I think it’s only fun if everyone envies her. she has to be better and above thers to feel satisfaction. She probably no longer cares for Trevor, if she ever did, but what are the chances that she is happy for him after she devastated the guy? If she has a heart she has to feel bad for jettisoning him so cruelly.

In one of the blinds it was reported there was some awkwardness between Harry and one of his friends because the friend had known MM as pay for play and assumed Harry wanted the same. Surprised it was Skippy because he has been in the inner circle for decades.

MM should have looked at Edward and Sophie's life. They live in the ginormous Bagshott Hall, a gift from the queen, but cannot afford to heat more than a few of the rooms. They are salaried by the queen and their jobs are a round of royal visits, meet and greets, etc. No prestige whatever.

R128, you nailed it.

I also think that MM is alienating Harry from his friends. That’s exactly how someone like MM works. They’ll be “friends” with HER people, and for however long they’re useful. She can’t be wasting time trying to fit in. And if he’s dependent on her for emotional support, it’s easier to control him. She’s going to do it with his family, too. Force him to choose.

The fact that Harry has so easily meshed into her SoHo House lifestyle shows how weak he is. His friends have probably abandoned him after marrying this horrible bride and it's all he has left. This will bite him in the ass. Thank goodness William is heir to the throne over this impetuous brat. I really liked him before Meghan as he set a course post-army to highlight his fellow vets. His friendship with Michelle Obama over the Invictus Games in Orlando, FL showed he has international leadership ability. He's destroying it all with his arriviste American divorcee wife and her high spending habits.

PS --- Kate wore that Emilia Wickstead dress on an official state visit. At $1350 it was still far cheaper than anything MeAgain has worn to basic English appearances. Kate's recycling of it was a clear sign that the Cambridges don't approve of their new arrival's tastes in wearing $3K outfits to every London event she attends.

I have little doubt that Harry's toff friends make fun of MM behind her back. Her defunct blog would have given them ammunition for years to come because it is the opposite of everything they are. With Kate and William, it's complicated. Harry has been close to Kate for a long time and I read he won't hear a word against her. She is said to be very maternal in private. William and Harry are obviously very bonded. But they haven't embraced MM at all, because unless Harry steps down, her presence is a threat to them all, because of how she riles up the public.

R105 - I doubt Kate will recycle that outfit - it's too springlike. She's also worn it to one of her children's christenings, I think. She was literally three weeks out of childbed there, you can still see some postpartum swelling.

As for Sparkle, who knows. The outfit she wore to Louis's christening would be very suitable for the season.

Here's my Yuge Wedding Fantasy: Yuge surprises us all and knocks it out of the park with a gorgeous gown that makes Sparkle's look like a housemaid's dress; all the other women in the BRF (except Princess Anne, who is just hopeless) including Fergie are beautifully rather than ridiculously dressed AND wearing British designs; the smiles during the service are broad and in marked contrast to the expressions on the family's faces at the Sussex wedding; no one plays the slightest attention to Harry and Sparkle.

Oh, for the record: my bets on the wedding dress designer are either Ralph and Russo (which would be one in the eye for Sparkle), or Erdem.

Any takers? Other fantasies?

Kate wasnt exactly accepted by William's friends. They mocked her parents as jumped-up strivers ( "Trays in the upright and locked position") and Kate because she changed her university plans--as did a ton of other girls--to attend St Andrew and then waited around *for years* for him to propose. Eventually it worked out and now it's MM's turn to go through the wringer. Kate had her close knit family to fall back on. MM just has her wits, like Becky Sharp.

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With Kate, there’s no need for a picture of the dress on a model as we struggle to imagine how it was supposed to look, but here it is anyway:

I cant wait for Her Royal Assholeness to sashay up the church steps like she’s a supermodel on a runway. She’ll be working the hell out of whatever ugly, expensive frock she’s merching.

Wow r137. Wisely covering up the keyhole at the waist, but that's a great look.

Kate is looking so stunning these days. She always looked great but in comparison to Messy Meg, she's really A+ at her fashion choices. Perfectly fitted and tailored, and appropriate for every occasion. And observes Royal protocal by not wearing black everywhere. MeAgain is the best thing that could have happened to her as it highlights how perfect a Duchess Kate is compared to Harry's unfortunate spendy mess of a bride.

Kate got it right again. Nice idea to replace that weird-looking hole with a purple belt-like thing. Plus, the belt-like thing and the shoes have got the same colour.

Very well done.

Notice how Kate is wearing the bateau neckline but that it is entirely a side note to the overall look; whereas on Megxit, the bateau wears unfortunately on her,

Kate is really a very boring dresser. But unlike Meghan she appreciates the value of proper fit and pleasant colors, so Kate just looks so much better by comparison.

I may add that Kate finally ditched the horrible, pandabear-like eyeliner and restrains from using tons of blusher, too.

MeGain, on the other hand, looks downright like an adult actress with all that bronzer and blusher and the nude lipstick.

Speaking of her looking like a porn actress: Well, she used to be an actress, eh? ;-)

Kate's change to the original dress (R137) is an improvement on the original shown at R138.

Just like that other dress where she had the waistline changed to an empire waist which was a great improvement on the original design.

If MEagain wore that dress she’d have a ginormous rhinestone stuck in her belly button to peep through the keyhole because she’s such fun! ( and don’t forget sexxxay!)

Why did Meghan waste so much money on Northwestern to be a pay for play gal? And why are her family members not blabbing about her sordid past?

R148, because she was wasting DADDY’s money, not her own.

Kate looks stunning in that dress. It's perfect, and the shoes are gorgeous. Everything fits, it's appropriate but not dull, the colors are autumnal, her hair looks lustrous and fresh, the harsh makeup is toned down and, as her lilac number the other day did, emphasises her small waist and nice legs. Bateau neckline is asymmetrical, the brooch is perfect, the earrings perfect . . .

And, it's British.

Maternity leave over, Kate comes out with guns blazing: her full bosom, tiny waist, height, nice legs, supporting British fashion . . . and looking relaxed and radiant. And tall, leggy, small waisted, and loyal to the Side.

Weather on Friday looks dicey in southeast England, positively bad in western England.

I think the CDAN blind was shit stirring, pretending she ghosted Markus Anderson. That blind lands on that space, and hours later comes the news that Harry and Meghan have dumped Inskip. I am sure the aristo boys and especially Harry's pals have sleazed around Soho house, but it just has to have been Markus Anderson who actually introduced them.

Boy, Trevor Engelson. Living well, blah blah blah. His bride may be filthy rich, but she also looks sweet and normal. Man did he come out ahead. Kudos to upthread who said he did what Meghan wanted to do - land a rich spouse. Meghan thinks she did or thought she did but it doesn't quite work the same way with Harry as it does with regular rich. I hope Trevor has an instagram and just keeps pumping out the content of himself and his wife on beaches and adventures around the world, his wife dressed in cute, hot, sexy fashion while Meghan has to drag her ill-fitting royal-appropriate rags around every time she appears in public.

R148, as already said, she was wasting daddy's money. I think she also bled him dry before she got Suits, because she had an expensive lifestyle that even Suits couldn't support.

I think she wanted to be famous, not necessarily as an actress. She certainly lacks the brains and patience to get the sort of education that would elevate her in another profession.

As ever with Kate I wish she'd try some shoe other than a damn pump all the time, or the most conservative possible shoe (the basic Mary Jane sandal). And the plainest possible shoe at that. However, her pumps here are velvet, so that's a step forward.

As soon as Eugenie and Jack say their I do's will come an avalanche of "blinds" and "close to the palace" reports that most of the attendees agreed she wasn't nearly as compelling a bride as Meghan and the reception was rather a bore. And then a bunch of blinds about the comportment and interaction of the notable attendees, particularly Harry's ex girlfriends and Kate. For good measure, and full on Angelina Jolie-ishness, there will be a blind about how someone's husband drank a bit too much and this doting husband and father flirted a little too conspicuously with Meghan. It was all in fun and very innocent, but his wife's nose was out of joint!

You know it's coming.

I think Meghan's presence is a threat because she's untrustworthy. Left to her own devices she will take pictures of private spaces with her phone, and she'll sell everything she finds out or overhears. Barring that, she'll make it up. I think that's why they keep her at arms' length.

R153 - Right, a "basic" pump - Jimmy Choos with five inch heels in burgundy velvet.

R155 - I don't doubt the family don't trust Sparkle. She has just a tad too much backstory and too many "friends" like Lainey in the media and what's more, I don't think they trust Harry, either. They probably figured that it was safer to have the two of them where they could be more easily watched. After a year of dating, they probably figured that MeAgain already knew too much about Harry not to blab freely if they discouraged the marriage, and would have nothing to lose by blabbing if he dumped her. They probably figured the damage was already done and she could be better contained inside than outside.

And once inside, MeAgain has something to lose. It's one thing to lose Prince Harry the BF, but it's another thing to lose your title, your servants, your designer clothes, your freedom from 4AM makeup calls whilst someone else pays all your bills, your lovely home in the Cotswolds, weekends with Amal and George, and that grand apartment that Betty will be sure to give them once they have a baby . . .

In other words, they can much easier hold HRH The Duchess of Sussex hostage than the angry, vengeful ex-Prince Harry's GF.

I wonder if her little brain every went that far?

I think there was a story about her trying to sell pics of the private apartments before the engagement r156 and it was something like she was stopped from leaving KP and the pics deleted. That would be a good enough reason not to trust her.

Kate today::

-- never fussed with her hair, it was perfect -- never looked for the camera and was engaging with the people she met -- wore a bateau neckline that looked fabulous and not like a boxy linebacker -- had interesting conversations about the exhibit she was attending without telling anyone it was "so cool." -- wore a British brand to support her country's economy -- walked like a confident woman and didn't sashay like a hooker -- has perfect legs that don't look like a bird -- wore a nice autumnal pattern and not funereal black -- has a natural smile the whole time that wasn't fake or forced and no manic eyes

Kate's absolute perfection now that we've seen what a horror show Meghan Markle is to the BRF. Kate's ability to do her job properly just makes it more glaringly obvious how horrifically bad Meghan is.

Catherine is comfortable in her own skin and thus others feel comfortable around her.

She and Harry seemed genuinely close, it is sad.

The manner in which she interacts with other human beings is so different than Nutmeg. The videos really showcase how naturally and confidently she carries herself, seeming genuinely interested in and engaged with others, often quite animated and laughing. No lingerie is left to hang out.

Lovely Kate. So poised and natural and fertile. She's just perfect. The monarchy is lucky to have her. Lovely Kate. She's a standout.

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In the photo of her leaning forward, a little too much skin exposed, but that is the only detail otherwise perfect. Her appearance is lovely, but in observing MM as Duchess I have learned..it’s a lot harder than appears to hit all the right notes. Kate is attractive, but it’s her grace, humility and just plain loveliness that radiates, or emanates. I did not take notice of her before Maggy Jo married into the family. Now, MM on the scene is the best PR that money could not buy..priceless!

Please, enough with all the Kate sugaring already. It's getting nauseating.

That tweed dress that Kate was wearing had dark purple lining that matched the belt and shoes. One only saw some of the lining when Kate was walking.

Nice detail.

That Erdem dress is really fug, Meghan's kind of fug.

I don't know why she insists to wear Erdem. Erdem is horrible.

Actually, MM did have a dress just like that one - Prince of Wales check with a bateau neck. I thought it looked strange at the time because to me cloth that is strictly suiting material.

I get that DLers think Meghan is such an asshole, but Kate can make mistakes too and this dress was a fashion mistake.

I lkw the dress. Very professional looking. Yet stylish.

And you’re all amazingly stylishly dressed, of course.

I liked Kates dress . She looks lovely

That's a great dress.... even in photographs you get sense of the texture. Great dress.

Kate squeezed out three kids and managed to look like a model in that dress. Props to that skinny bitch!

I think it's really funny how DL is full of men drooling over hot gay male porn stars doing all sorts of things, but when it comes to women the thread sounds like prudish grandmothers from the 1950s. I know that Kate and Meghan are in the Royal Family but the contrast really is stark and is seen in other threads too ('whore', 'slut' etc.). Such a strange tonal contrast.

With the wide shawl collar, 3/4 sleeves and the tweed plaid, that dress has a retro late 50s/early 60s vibe, coincidently the same era which MM was staking out earlier this summer.

R174 But did Kate and Meghan show their hole???????

Tbh, hard to compare members of the BRF and porn actors. Not the same job.

R175 Maybe it's just fashionable.

Wearing something with a bit of an edge was quite fitting for an art opening. I also loved the lining of the dress.

She has a knack for seeming interested in people and the focus of the events she attends.

I am not sure that she might not be better off gaining 5 lbs in the next few years to fill out her face a bit. That she just had an EIGHT LB+ baby last spring is remarkable.

William really did choose well.

No I acknowledged that (R176), I'm not comparing the jobs but how female appearance and sexuality is written about vs. male appearance and sexuality, this thread just illustrates the contrast.

R179 I'm not so sure.

It's a gay board full of people fatshaming and slutshaming actors.

I don't think the difference about how men and women are treated on DL is important.

Not sure what you mean by 'important'?- it's an observation - reading this thread made me reflect on it, notwithstanding the particular job roles of the women here.

^ reply for (R179).

MM is even hanging on Harry in Louis’ christening picture.

I have nothing against Kate, but “flawless”? Please! The dress accentuates the fact that she has no hips and her posture is atrocious - rounded shoulders and jutted out neck. She is no fashion or style icon and I suspect she has no ambition of being one. She and William will be exactly like EII and Philip - family, duty, hunting, horses, dogs, grandchildren, greatgrandchildren, boring. Maybe it’s for the best, but don’t make her into something she is not.

R168 - you're in a very small minority this time. The dress is nearly universally appreciated. And only a tall girl could pull it off. The colours are lovely, the dress is perfectly fitted to her, it's graceful when it moved, the toning of the shoes, belt, and lining perfect.

And personally, I loathe Erdem. I think this is the first Erdem dress I've ever liked. The last Erdem dress Kate wore gave me nightmares. One of her worst mistakes ever, although I can't quite remember when or where she wore it. Dull metallic colours - she looked like a piece of old Victorian furniture covered in ormulu.

But this - this is beautiful. Very feminine, shows off the waist . . . no, Kate knocked it out of the park with this one.

Nutmeg and Dimwit fly the Invictus Games flag.

This R185? She wore several Edrem dresses on her their Sweden/Norway tour with William when she was pregnant with Louis Kate got dragged hard for the looks....albeit from a British brand.

R186, that has to make every veteran's blood boil. Haz was at least one of them fighting in Afghanistan but Sparkle had nothing to do with the IG until Harry forced her on the world. Now as in 2017 they're going to make the games about themselves and not the athletes.

And good god! Look at her huge wide legged trousers, Those look like they are a size 16 fit on a size 6 body. And the shoulders of her maroon blazer are pulled back to far it looks uncomfortable. WHY CAN'T SHE PROPERLY WEAR CLOTHES? Nothing, absolutely nothing fits or looks good on her.

R185 - No, this one is bad, but the goldish one with flowers was worse. Yes, I think it was Sweden, and I know she was pregnant with Louis, but still . . . Blue and yellow are the colours of the Swedish flag, so this was probably half a nod to that. The other dress was much worse. These are at least pretty colours, if incredibly matronly.

R185 - if you click on the photo you provided you get to the Vanity Fair article, if you go down to the highlighted link that says "second evening in a row" and click on that, you'll see the photo of what I call the Ormolu Erdem.

Even Kate's strong colouring didn't stand up to those ghastly colours. I think you have to be black or Asian to wear those colours properly. You need to have very dark or very pale colouring for those, on Kate's tawny/ruddy skin they were a disaster. She carries red, purple, pink, powder, sky, and royal blues, fawn, grey - but not gold. Interestingly, Mary of Denmark looks awful in gold and orange, too. She's tried them a couple of times but never successfully.

And for the poster moaning about Kate's "plain pumps" please note the ankle straps in the blue velvet Erdem.

MeAgain looks like shit in that Invictus flag photo - and how interesting that it got released JUST as Kate got raves for her Erdem outfit across the board. She looks like she saw the photos of Kate, rolled Harry out of bed screaming, "Where's that fucking flag?!" called the photogs and rushed them into the back garden for a quick photo barely stopping to comb her hair and pull on her slumming clothes.

Agree about the Erdem monstrosities worn in Sweden, there’s nobody on earth could look good in that amount of upholstery fabric. The check/purple dress is fantastic, I would never have guessed it came from the same designer. Whoever is saying she didn’t look good is wrong, she looked like a runway model. Everything was perfect and I say this as a non-fan of ANY royal.

I think Kate is a cool/true summer and Meghan is a deep autumn but I'm not 100% sure.

So, that photo at R186 - Sparkle's smile - like a frozen mask.

Is it true that she is giving a speech at the Invictus games? Whose bright idea was that? And why?

I clicked on R187 link, went to leave, and a pop-up of Meg's VF cover appeared. I know it's October but shit I don't need to be scared with her rodent eyes.

Careful out there, people.

Funny how the story with the Invictus photo makes a point that MM’s outfit fits the fall season perfectly. Her eyes always look dead calm Ben though she has a lovely smile, just doesn’t convey connection in other social or viewer, IMO. This tour should be fun, for us!!!

Sorry, eyes look dead, empty. Lack connection with others, despite lovely smile.

Sparkle's manic eyes are back. Got she looks so fake.

Out of curiosity I sashayed over to tumblr. According to them, the latest Harry and Meghan picture has been Photoshopped. Now the crazies want her outed. I do hope she is in it for the long haul. She drives people nuts, and its hilarious. Keep up the good or bad job (depending on who's camp you're in) Megs.

For the morbidly curious, have at it.

With the Cumberbatches on their third baby, my guess is Skippy and the other HazBean conspiracy pushers migrated over from the Sophie Hunter Ate My Baby sites, where they insist his wife engaged in human trafficking, any glimpses of children are photoshopped in, or they were secretly adopted, or they found a surrogate who looked enough like either one of them, and the marriage isn't legal and the births were never recorded, and between them, Cumberbatch and his wife managed to blackmail or defraud a Church of England Vicar, the British government, and the Portland Hospital.

I think there's enough prima facie things to work with: her clothes, her refusal to Support British Brands, the rush of the relationship, her history of ghosting - and, of course, the Tobacco Road family.

As I mentioned on the Camilla thread, Yuge's wedding arrives at dawn. Any further thoughts on Sparkle's and Kate's outfits?

Or bets on the bridal gown's designer (I'm in on Erdem or Ralph and Russo)?

I don't know whether to hope the clothes are ridiculous or sublime.

[quote]She and William will be exactly like EII and Philip - family, duty, hunting, horses, dogs, grandchildren, greatgrandchildren, boring. Maybe it’s for the best, but don’t make her into something she is not.

You forgot happy. It's a very nice picture you paint. And much nicer, one imagines, than the one painted for the Sussexes... childlessness, boredom, controversy, disillusionment, contempt, silence....

[quote]She looks like she saw the photos of Kate, rolled Harry out of bed screaming, "Where's that fucking flag?!" called the photogs and rushed them into the back garden for a quick photo barely stopping to comb her hair and pull on her slumming clothes.

So LOL... but you left out breaking into bitter, frustrated tears.

What is going on here? It looks like he's pointing out the grate lest the heel of her clown shoe gets caught and she snaps a pastern, but then she stops dead and takes two tentative lunges forward as if she's stepping over a couple of giant puddles that only she can see.

I'm with R195. The tour can't come soon enough.

Her nephew looks older than she does. Is he a druggie or something.?

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Mother, may I walk with danger?

It looks like he's pointing out dog muck or something (R203). Incidentally I feel like her outfit there is very stylish.

R206 - that's because the photo doesn't show clearly enough that the green of her sloppy wrinkled shirt/blouse doesn't remotely tone with the green of her lambskin skirt, and you also can't really see the big silver zipper at the back of said skirt, which was clearly sewn in several parts - the sign of cheaply tailored leather, nor can you see the Armani coat she was wearing which was four inches shorter than the skirt.

I just clicked through eighty-plus snaps of Meg's outfits. As you say, some of them are fine and would be good for her current work. Most of them are too short which leads me to believe that she doesn't know. She thinks her legs are good, sexy even. She has no idea they're bird legs and quite ugly, as legs go.

Oh well, the Mulroney woman won't last forever. Meg will get sick of the bad press, if nothing else, and then maybe she'll get a decent stylist.

I bet she feels so insecure amongst the Royal Family. She is probably dreading today.

She loves to show off her great legs!!!

Here we go, sorry! Above is with big sis Samantha.

She’s playing charades here. Can you guess the word she chose?

No idea....clueless? Parakeet?

Movie, animal, ..Dude, where’s my birdcage?!

[quote] Tbh, hard to compare members of the BRF and porn actors. Not the same job.

"Marriage is a bribe to make a housekeeper thing she's a householder."

Birdcage?

Close enough. It was flamingo.

From 2015...

[quote]The daring duchess-to-be elicited breathless gasps of shock and awe during a saucy show of charades at the grand opening of the exclusive SoHo Truckstop by daring to bare her completely nude sylphlike stems before going in for the kill with an in-your-face presentation of unapologeticly sensual flamingo-knee as Harley Street cosmetic surgeons brace themselves for the influx of requests.

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While I think Kate has FINALLY come into her own, It is frustrating to hear all of the revisionist history. Before MM, Kate was a bit of a disaster herself. Happy to see her feel more confident, but that was never the case before. She was a stiff mess especially around kids, she didn't pay attention to protocol, she always touched her hair, half of which was fake anyway, she was awkward, lazy and not at all intelligent. Let's try and remember that while comparing her to a different mess. Neither of them are gold stars, though again, I have to say that Kate has come in to her own. Not that the bar is set very high, but I give her her due.

It's so windy! Wouldn't it be awful if a dangling tendril blew so deeply into Bean's mouth that it gagged her to the point of vomiting on live tv?

It's more than just a tendril or two today. The hair on one half of her head is hanging in her face.

Lots of tendrils, a black (or navy) dress, and a shit-eating grin. Notice the rest of the royal family women are wearing vibrant colors. Either Meghan didn't get the memo or she is once again thumbing her nose at them.

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And, she's worn a coat that is buttoned so that it flairs at her waist...all the more to prompt pregnancy rumors.

Phantom baby meant to detract from the bride

R225, she apparently has absolutely no shame.

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Love the wedding dress! You can tell that so much more care and planning went into this wedding.

If anyone comes across the video of Bean scratching and digging in the rat's next, please post it. It was the first shot of them inside the chapel and it's must-see.

As usual Meghan is serving the funeral look.

And as usual, Nutmeg finds the camera even in church.

I noticed that, R231, what the fuck is wrong with that girl? Who looks for cameras in church?

All buttons apart the top two were left undone to let the phantom baby breathe, and also note the Liberace rings on every finger of her right hand.

I wonder how Meghan will manage with a real funeral, she will dress like a nun I suppose.

I can't believe she's playing baby bump at Eug wedding.

A windy day. As usual Kate looks lovely, chicken ankles looks like she may be fanning the pregnancy rumors (i.e. she looks ghastly), and I'm not loving Fergie's look. She's just doomed always to appear the goofy, dowdy, drunk aunt.

Fergie's hat is terrible.

Here's a pretty good view of the mess on the side of her head.

Still no video of her sitting in the pew digging at her scalp.

Why is Markle carrying gloves? She had them at Louis christening too. Nobody else is carrying them, not even the Queen. Kate didn't bring any.

Could she even get gloves on over all of those rings?

All those rings, it's just attention seeking attire. My god, does she ever give it a moment's rest? I dislike her more every time she shows herself in public.

I dislike her more every time she shows herself in public.

Me too. And rings on every finger are the essence of trash, along with tattoos (just wait), and nail art.

Is that the biggest dangling tendril yet?

I can't remember if I posted it here or in the wedding thread, but Kate was wearing Alexander McQueen and Bean, once again, was wearing Givenchy.

Yep, it's the BIGGEST TENDRIL.

Why does she stare in the camera. Kate never does!

R246 I think it's an narcissistic actress thing, The other actress in the family Sophie Winkleman does it every chance she gets too.

She's such an asshole.

R248 - look at the contrast between Nutmeg and Kate's hair. Even on a windy day, Kate has her shit together.

Mega tendril today.

Meagain has finally found a way to cope... she has Xanax face.

Why are Pippa, her husband and her brother at the wedding? I thought the York sisters couldn’t stand the Middletons?

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Because those rumors are BS.

The York girls were at Pippa's wedding. I think, despite the press narrative that the Middletons are social climbing grifters, they're actually very nice people, pleasant company. They seem connected to much of the Royal Family now, the parents are frequent guests of the Queen, the story has always been how much William enjoyed the family vibe within the Middletons... it may just be they're good value.

In a historic accomplishment, Wishbones seems to have finally found a pair of shoes that fit her.

I love the phoniness, it’s BETTER than Dynasty. I hope she never changes! In video, you can clearly see her reacting as though she is greeting and talking to phantom people and admirers. It must be fun in her crazy little head. You know she’s got a backstory for her character, maybe even a wordy narrative which she hears as she walks among the peasants. Also, she take some her coat off at formal outdoor event last week she showcase mismatched tonal green outfit and IN Church, she keeps it on and buttoned. There’s a nutty reason for everything she does, it’s hilarious. And PH looks a sight, the oncoming nervous breakdown is palpable.

For fuck's sake, that woman and her fucking tendril are becoming a fucking comedy. Boring outfit, a colour that does nothing for her, and the whole thing would have been reasonably inoffensive if she hasn't as always found a way to present herself as someone who needs a fucking trademark. And the shot of her grinning for the camera inside the church was just revolting.

I thought Eugenie's dress quite lovely, rich but not gaudy, beautifully tailored, and I was struck by her declining to wear a veil. And absolutely delighted to see the Greville emerald kokoshnik tiara. Very well done.

Meanwhile, watching the BBC commentary after the fact, the outlet did its best to run down the wedding, raising questions about the cost for the royal family that it didn't bother to raise as it gushed over the mixed race American divorcee bride - quite clearly trying to explain its refusal to broadcast the wedding, and bringing up the cost of security for it, and, of course, omitting to mention that the security wasn't so much for Eugenie and her new husband, but the Queen, Prince Charles, and Prince William.

Fergie looked awful - her dress was too tight, and of course she rushed over to greet "fans" before heading into the Chapel.

Kate looked fabulous, as usual. Adorable hat, appropriate colour, fitted perfectly and showed off her legs and waist.

R227 Her camera finding skills continue to amaze.

R227 and r269...she’s the best in the biz! Hit that mark GURL!!! Creepy grin in one, two, three...now!

R236 - Yes, I think she is fanning the pregnancy rumours with the coat - given that she's about to head off to two Zika regions, she's either just a bitch to the public or she's irresponsible or they are going to eliminate the two areas and only announce it once they get there.

The rings - Jesus Christ - she's beyond crass; and another refusal to wear British.

The princess looked royal, wow, for an average looking girl, she makes the best of what she’s got. Looked like a fairytale and they appear truly happy. she hasn’t had it easy with her parents, etc. Good for her! Anyone know if the groom is a decent chap? Looks a little nelly, but happy too. I just hope he’s happy to marry her and not because he has entered the RF. I’m so suspicious now!!!

R262 Apparently a good egg. He didn't go to uni or into his father's trade, finance/accounting. Instead he became a barman and then went into drinks distribution and marketing. Probably a bit dim but a hardworking sort of dim.

Ha! I just watched the video from TLC and saw Sparkle digging in her hair! She's dressed for a funeral, as usual.

Considering her advanced gravid state, Pippa looked quite nice this time round.

Loved the Queen's palest grey choice.

As we all knew he would, Philip attended, and sat behind Fergie so he didn't have to talk to her.

I was also interested in the fact that Bea didn't wear a gown herself, given that all the little page boys and bridesmaids were dressed in "wedding" clothes.

Bea looked very nice in her royal blue, as well.

I can live with dim and nice, better than smart and nasty.

We need to discuss the most striking thing about Yuge's very dignified and royal selections today: no veil. Of course, one misses it in some way, but I wonder if Yuge has more brains than given credit for - she's 28, hardly a virgin, and hiding the blushing face till the groom lifts the veil is a bit specious in this day and age. I thought the long veil and the before the face farce, it particularly offensive in Sparkle's case, for obvious reasons.

Of course, a veil would have taken away from the really breathtaking tiara, also. Really, props to Yuge for all her choices here. I am so bloody glad she declined to wear the frilly York tiara for this piece, which was done by Boucheron for Mrs Greville, one of the richest and most disliked matrons of her generation. A society hostess of the day said she would rather have an open sewer in her drawing room than Maggie Greville.

As it happens, Maggie Greville took a shine to the young Duchess of York (later the Queen Mum and Eugenie's great grandmother) and having no children of her own, left the legendarily charming Duchess a fortune in jewelry when she died - just in case the royal collection didn't have enough choices to offer her. I assume this gorgeous tiara came to the royal family through that bequest.

And look a the size of that emerald.

Yuge looks fabulous. The dress is perfect. She’s quite short and a generous hourglass figure so anything too fussy would’ve been overwhelming but this is perfect. Bonus points that it fits and it’s British.

The RF en masse looked far happier and more relaxed than at the Markle Debacle.

[quote]Considering her advanced gravid state, Pippa looked quite nice this time round.

Oh. I thought you were talking about me, but it all went south after the comma.

Sophie, Countess of Wessex looked like she was attending the same funeral as Meghan.

Suppossed to be Navy but looked Black on TV and in every photo.

This pic of Sophie should work.

I liked Eug's dress. Only complaint would be the sleeves which needed to be more fitted from the elbow down or 3/4. The tiara was beautiful and I didn't miss a veil.

Christ Meghan....will you ever get your fucking hair under control? Her clothes were actually nice, and appropriate for the day. Princess Eugenie, and everyone else looked great.

An unusual fail for Sophie Wessex, in my opinion. The short sleeves, quilty material, and dark colour seemed out of place to me. She and Sparkle both looked a bit out of place in their dark colours.

I noticed that Harry sat between the Cambridges and his wife, and that Kate spoke to Harry but not Sparkle.

Kate seems to be riding a new wave of maturity and confidence. The birth of that last baby seems to have done something for her. She seems radiant these days. Given her difficult first trimester, she's probably thrilled to have the three children she said she'd always wanted and to be done with the childbearing forever. She and William seem very together, she's got her figure back, she looks fantastic.

Someone should hand Sparkle a few combs for her hair. That dangling tendril is just fugly at this point and ruins the line of every hat she wears. And God Almighty what is up with the parade of rings across her hands?!

R273 - Her hair isn't out of control: that tendril is deliberate and clearly she thinks she's setting some sort of trend or nailing some sort of "trademark" for herself. When in fact she simply looks pretentious, as she always does, and silly.

Messy Meg.

A must for her Christmas list

One thing the Windsors pass down without fail is gorgeous skin. From Queen Victoria onward, helped out by Queen Mary's alabaster complexion, then the Queen Mother's exquisite complexion, and then Diana's, the genetic windfall in the complexion department is unmistakable.

In her autobiography, when the late English prima ballerina Margot Fonteyn went to get her DBE from the Queen, who believe was in her late twenties at the time, Fonteyn related how she was literally "struck dumb by the beauty and delicacy of the Queen's complexion". Even Wallace Simpson mentioned in her memoirs, however acidly, the then-Duchess of York's beautiful skin. Their complexions are probably why the Queen Mother, Queen Mary, and Queen Elizabeth were so much prettier in person than in photographs of the day. By the time Diana rolled around, of course, you could plainly see her beautiful skin in colour photographs.

Yuge has the same beautiful colouring as her late great grandmother, dark hair, blue eyes, and creamy skin. She was right to leave the veil off so that it could show.

R277 - She won't use it. She thinks that dangling tendril is the hottest thing since oat bran. God, she radiates self-absorbed shallowness.

From the DM comments section:

>>Very nice Kate while clingon keeps looking directly at the camera. <<

I think MM's Givenchy outfit was very elegant; looks as if she is trying to channel Audrey Hepburn. Perhaps her hair looked better before the wind got to it.

Kate looks amazing, the raspberry colour is fantastic was is the hat. I do think the bottom half of the dress is too busy. The dress is very similar to a pink one which was one of her best looks ever. She really shines in her 'summer' colours.

I feel so bad for Fergie. If she had chosen a candy-coloured clown costume, she couldn't have looked worse. So terrible in every way - the colour, the satin fabric, the too-tight fit, the exposure of her lizard-like decolletage, the insane hat. The sweat stains were just the cherry on the cake of her outfit.

In R276's pic:

Is it just the colour of the lipstick? Or did MeGain get herself some duck-face lip injections in preparation of the overseas tour?

I think you’re on to something there r282, that is definitely a water fowl face.

Lip filler for sure.

She looks like Eddie Redmayne in drag in R276.

R285 - I think I did it better.

I hate to say this but I feel that having lip filler is a bit tacky.

The couple have left the building.

I hate Megs (SSAA) but her lips look the same to me.

Megs face is looking weird these days. She looks moonfaced these days. Is she on those fertility drugs that are all the rage these days? I was scrolling through some site, I forget which, and they said that IVF drugs may be partly to blame with the rise of "defective" children.

Is that Jessica Chastain r286

I sure did write a lot of "these days" I just have questions!

Change the white gloves to black and the white corsage to a ratty black asymmetrical clump of hair and there you have it, 1940s maternity attire.

Any second now we can expect a leak about how the preternaturally radiant and glowing Buckaroo suffered a sudden bout of queasiness at the reception and had to leave early. Was it something she ate?

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MeGain trying to upstage the bride by sparking pregnancy rumours.

Quelle surprise.

Didn’t someone predict this a couple of days ago? I’m sure someone said she’d turn up in something vaguely maternal to try to steal focus.

The arm at 0:10

She IS an asshole.

An asshat wearing an ass hat.

How fitting.

She is such an asshole for taking the attention away from the bride with her bulky coat that she NEVER took off to fuel pregnancy rumors. MeAgain is such a damn narcissist. And she looked like crap too with that bird diving hat atop a rat's nest of hair. Meanwhile Kate looked stunning in pink and the bride was perfection. Euge's gown choice was perfect and so well fitted. Unlike the baggy, plain cement-heavy wedding dress Megsy chose with her overly long virginal veil.

I know R279, isn’t it delicious beyond words!!!

R299 made me cackle.

Eugenie nailed it. I haven’t seen all the photos yet, but the midnight navy looks funereal. There are lighter, brighter shades of navy. Someone should tell those shady bitches.

Why did no-one intervene in time when this slut came along? I mean, the BRF must've seen this disaster coming - why was nothing done about it in time?

R304, maybe the RF was just at the point they were happy he was getting married. Maybe settle down and stop embarrassing playboy antics? They just appeared resigned to it.

PE comes across as very sweet, no airs. Her sister may have a more difficult time finding groom as she is not that attractive. I know that sounds mean, bit it’s DL, let’s be real. Fergie is a riot and never disappoints.

I thought Eugenie's soft tendrils hanging beneath her tiara was a nice little nod to Meghan.

Maybe they get along after all and Euge got inspired by Meg? #HerImpact

What an ultra trashy day for Meghan. Not only did she troll by wearing her coat "pregnant" - the top buttons buttoned but the middle and bottom ones unbuttoned so in silhouette she had a 5 months pregnant - something everyone on twitter and fashion blogs immediately noted - but she had a fistful of gold-plated, tacky, overdesigned Pippa Small rings on both hands that didn't go with her outfit but she had those hands up in the air constantly. No sooner did she enter the church than Pippa Smalls twitter name-checked the rings with a close-up of Markles' fingers. Merching Markle never stops, not even when entering church for someone else's wedding.

Her hair looked like shit. Eugenie had "tendrils" as well but they were brushed, and somehow via the miracles of hair styling they stayed soft-looking while staying in place in the wind. Her implant-looking cheekbones were back, probably because she overdid the contour as usual.

Kate did a terrific job as Duchess from the first. She was shy and not as unswervingly confident as she is now, but she was definitely poised and good at the job. Ludicrous to drag her down to make Meghan look not as bad.

A fucking nod to Meghan R307? Eugenie has had "tendrils" since she's been appearing in public, long before Meghan Markle was the biggest royal embarrassment since Fergie's toes. Difference is, they were brushed, styled, and stayed in place while still looking healthy and natural. That's no nod to fried sideburns Markle.

R306 you must not have cast your eye too closely around some of the others who mingle with the royals. Beatrice had a very good looking boyfriend for awhile. A princess will be able to find a husband. She has a better shot at finding a husband than Harry had at finding a wife, since he had to scrape the bottom of the barrel and then some. Hell, he had to dig her up.

Since when are Meghan's tendrils "soft"?

Wow R298 what the fuck did she think she was going to do to Charles? Grab his arm to prevent him striding ahead. I wouldn't try it if I were her, but just the fact that she had that impulse, oh boy.

R312 Crunch, crunch went the tendrils. Crack, crack went the smile.

It was nice to see Meg and Anne deep in conversation and laughing together.

They seem to get along well.

Meg and Anne were seated next to each other, not having a deep conversation. Anne is not going to freeze her out in front of a bank of television cameras. According to a lip reader, they exchanged words about dogs. I do recall Anne circling an entire small collection of people to get to her mother so she would not have to go near Harry and Meghan. This was at Ascot.

I wonder if Meghan even had a dress for the wedding. Clearly all she had in mind was the coat stunt ("Look, am I pregnant or am I not!") I actually think she did the coat stunt because I read recently that Kate was the biggest royal fashion influencer this year thanks to tons of searches for maternity coats whenever she made an appearance this past winter and spring. Meghan is nothing but a blank slate, she has no ideas of her own and appropriates from everyone else. Probably thought to do the maternity silhouette at the wedding, but it seems to me along with those idiots who speculate, some others know what she was doing and aren't touching it.

If Anne disliked her so much she would ask to be seated somewhere else.

It's princess anne....if she didn't like meghan she would not sit next to her or chat away the entire ceremony.

She didn’t “chat away” r318 and she wouldn’t be the type to make a fuss at someone’s wedding over being seated next to a nothing like MEagain. Ann doesn’t have a fuck to give and wouldn’t swap places over a triviality like her nephew’s unsuitable wife.

Eugenie not wearing a veil totally upstaged MEagain's modern bride mantra. Hypocrisy lay thick with that pretentiously long veil.

Video from r298. So....P Charles often seems a bit aloof, and prince harry often looks a bit down and neglected..he looks to his father often, but PC doesn’t seem to take notice Anyone else notice that?

In this video, PC seemed to forget he was walking alongside and WITH PH and MM. he veered off then walked smack dab into her path. Is he senile yet? A bit of the old Alzheimer’s? Then it appeared she was shielding him from cars? I’m sure her chicken wing could stave off a big sedan, WTF. I guess she’d be seen as a heroine then, risking all for new family of hers. she is so stiff and wonky in footage. I mean, do they trust her to walk independently yet? Is it a feminist thing, clinging to a man?

The tour will be interesting. Personally I am really starting to wonder how this marriage lasts. I think she's very ill suited to her situation and will become unhappy because of boredom. One of Kate's strengths is that she took to country life and country sports. As I recall, Meagain opposes hunting. Did they even get to Balmoral this summer? How does Harry not live his old life? Eventually the Soho House crowd will pale.

I think they’re just grateful if she doesn’t do a slut stroll, handing out business cards as she goes r321.

I think she likes SOHO life far more than royal life. she opposes animal cruelty, said she was an animal activist, against hunting and did not wear leather, or eat meat or some such shit. Of course she eats meat and wore leather designer skirt the other day. I mean she wears the hair off head of some downtrodden little Indian girl for crisakes!!

R321, merching classy as fuck rings on right hand is more like it.

Prince William and Kate's tour of Canada the summer following their wedding was a huge success. Kate was terrific. Ditto when they were in India and the Southeast.

And of course, a nice little nod to harry and meghan again by using 'ave maria'.

Generous of the Sussexes to lend that special song to Euge.

Well of course she likes Soho life more than royal life. The only thing she likes about royal life is what she presumes about the status that accrues to her. I mean fucking ROYAL. The expression on her face that time she closed the car "by herself" door was priceless. Looked like she smelled something, and she closed it with her fingertips. I bet the driver or aide or whomever was intentionally just a beat late. Meghan wants to be flying around, boating around, instagramming everything, blogging it all, controlling the narrative and her story. She wants to do the car show and "glamour model" poses.

Kate and William were photographed at the wedding with Kate's hand on William's thigh, whereupon he closed his own hand over hers and turned the pages of the order of service with his right hand. No biggie, but it got a lot of attention and there are gifs on social media. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6.... let's count down to when Meghan attempts to imitate it. She never quite gets the tone, but I imagine she'll get the straight arm, that it was the thigh, and then looking in another direction for the same effect. Let's hope Harry cooperates with his own hand, but no worries, Meghan will thigh it up even if Harry keeps his hands otherwise occupied.

It was so sweet of meghan to wear that navy blue (I told you!) dress with that oversized coat in order to not steal away the attention from the bride.

Very considerate of her.

It didn't quite work as meg had hoped though. Now everyone is speculating whether or not she's pregnant! When all she was trying to do was be discreet and blend in. Oh meg, it's hard being an american-english rose. Diana had the same problem. #TwinsInSpirit

R321 Is it possible that Charles regarded the "Public" side of the event over after the wedding and just decided to stroll back up to his childhood home?

Windsor has never been home to William or Harry, they were raised between Kensington Palace, Highgrove House, St James Palace, Clarence House and Birkhall. On Windsor Castle, Buckingham Palace, Balmoral Castle and Sandringham House trips were just visiting Granny and Grandpa.

I think Meghan opposes or favors whatever will bring her attention or status. She presented herself as a foodie but I remember one plausible sounding blind item about their pre-wedding days that said, "Neither one is much of a cook." That, I believe. To me, Meghan is just myopic. There's a pic of her I saw where she's got her phone out taking a picture of a teeny breakfast still life on her table, and the rest of the place, including the rest of the table, looked like a fucking hoarder lived there. She's like a lot of narcissists. A lot of narcissists, particularly sort of low and mid-level famous, LOVE the still camera a lot more than they love film or video. I've seen several turn it on when the video lens is on them, and totally drop it when the lens is on someone else, even if they're still in the damn frame!!

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"Weddings are joyful occasions, but they can also put friends’ noses out of joint.

Banker Thomas ‘Skippy’ Inskip was delighted to be invited to the whole of Princess Eugenie’s wedding after suffering an indignity at Prince Harry’s nuptials in May.

Despite being one of Harry’s oldest friends, Skippy and his wife, Lara Hughes-Young, were invited only to the ceremony and afternoon reception when he married Meghan Markle, and not to the more exclusive evening party at Frogmore House, Windsor.

‘Skippy and Lara were very upset not to be invited to the evening do as Harry and Meghan had attended all of their wedding in Jamaica last year and Harry was even an usher,’ claims a pal.

‘Particularly as Meghan’s presence at their wedding with Harry led to much unwelcome attention from the world’s media.’

Does Meghan see Skippy as a danger?

After all, he did accompany Harry on his infamous trip to Las Vegas, when the Prince was photographed naked during a game of ‘strip billiards’."

You're all such cunts. It's Cathy who has no natural fashion sense and has to be styled to death. For Prince William, it must be like sticking your dick in a freezer. Meghan looks incredible at that York sow's wedding and very nearly always. She will grow into a fashion icon of Diana's magnitude.

Good point! so, to continue on your fun theme, for Prince Harry, it must be like sticking his dick in skinny, crispy fried chicken, that had previously been posed, photographed and its image uploaded to IG.

R334, Princess Di is not mythologized here on DL, we keep it savagely real on this thread, at least. Each royal, outfit, decorum is scrutinized by us mavens.

R336 Thank you very much for the civil heads up. I understand the thread's POV, but Princess Diana was tremendous. As were Jacqueline Onassis and Farah Fawcett, who also seem to get know love here.

Cathy probably relies on a stylist, who has been doing quite well as of late. What’s your point? They all have resources and support available to them...take the help ladies! No shame in that, it gets ridiculous when they show up in ridiculous getups....they should all be pulled together at the very least and represent! It’s their only job.

The Fail at it again at r332, it's the Duke of Westminster, not Windsor, who just split with his gf.

And lucky for some other chick: Hugh Grovesnor is gorgeous imo. All of the Grovesnors are attractive as well as super-rich.

R337, are you referring to their fashion choices? Or as celebrities? I adore Jackie’s fashion choices, for the most part. No opinion on Farrah, sorry.

R340 Fashion and beauty, since Meghan's seems to be under considerable attack here. Diana and Jackie, obvious fashion. Farrah was a perfect representation of late 70s fashion, here in YSL.

A hand on an inner thigh in church is a bit much - hope Wills and Catherine do not feel a need to stoop to Nutmegs game and beat her at it. No need.

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If she purposely dressed to spark the pregnancy rumours she's a fool. The family would hate that. She'll feel a chill if suspicion starts falling on her.

I think the family is already quite mistrustful of her actions and motives, R344.

They were seemingly not invited to Balmoral this summer after all.

The merching of the rings while at a family wedding was beyond obvious.

Righteous indignation loses any footing the minute you include "Meghan looks incredible at that York sow's wedding and very nearly always." Your Duchess of Sux is a pretentious asshole and dresses like shit with fry cook hair.

R347 Rather than countering, may I just say that, clearly, I opened the wrong door and do apologize. It's a long hall, and dark, so easy to mistake. Sorry to disturb. Carry on and I"ll let myself out.

Caution that the door doesn't smack your prodigious ass on the way out.

When normally the best anyone can say for a MEagain outfit is “well at least it fits, sort of” then you know she is not, and never will be, stylish.

Style and fashion are different things, this is something she doesn’t seem to understand. She slavishly follows each trend without thought to whether it actually flatters. If you understand your body type and dress to your advantage you will be stylish without necessarily being fashionable. Trendy is not something anyone in her position should be striving for.

She simply has no personal style and I suspect that’s because she’s a mirror. She apes the interests and tastes of whoever she’s trying to impress, there’s no substance to her intellect.

MEagain and and Harry have 76 engagements during their upcoming two week tour. You know that Spendy will have a different outfit, shoes and clutch for EVERY SINGLE ONE.

OMG the fashion horrors are going to be so much fun to watch. Not to mention how her fried hair handles the Fiji and Tonga humidity.

I bet her wardrobe costs will easily exceed $1 million. Hell, over the course of two days in Ireland in July she blew through $60K in outfits.

Stunning Cressida Bonas at Eugenie's wedding. And to this this lovely lady could have been Harry's wife except she didn't want to give up her privacy and to be a full time royal. No finding the camera, perfectly dressed, knows how to walk.....what could have been.

I don’t know how I missed this the first time around, but it’s hilarious. I can’t stop watching.

It'll be interesting to see how Meghan behaves when the Queen dies. The Queen appears to have grown so much fragile just in the past few months. I wonder how Meghan's psyche will handle Will and Kate moving up the ladder, given she seems to be competitive with Kate and mistakenly thinks they occupy the same role. I bet it's going to chap her ass to see so much deference and attention given to "Princess Kate". And it will happen right about the time that the aging process will force her to stop playing the "sexy ingenue" lest she become a laughingstock. She will be filled with narcissistic rage and it will be fun to watch her try to mask it. I cannot wait until she has to curtsey to Will and Kate, or has to stand at attention when they walk into a room.

How soon after Charles' coronation will William's investiture as the Prince of Wales be? That will really be a test more Megsy.

I don’t think she has the self awareness to know when to stop playing “sexy ingenue” r354. I can see this one still trying to slip a flash of bra in her 80s, spindly chicken legs thinner than the walking frame and 17 layers of bronzer caked on for a fresh, dewy appearance.

(Autocorrect tried to change dewy to dehydrated! Even my iPad can see through this one)

Kind of tiresome how everybody thinks Harry's problematic wife is pregnant. Wasn't she just photographed in an ugly green leather skirt that pretty much put the kibosh on the pregnancy rumors? That was just a few days ago, and now she's five months pregnant? As the Queen would say..."Puh-leez!"

I love that the ‘committed vegan’ is wearing a lamb skin skirt and talks about roasting a chicken with Harry. Is that from the same dictionary she gets ‘humanitarian’ from, which seems to mean teetering about on 5” heels?

R355 It is up to Charles to determine when (and if) he grants investiture. But he would face quite the backlash if he delayed investiture given that the Cambridges are more popular than. What does happen immediately upon the Queen's death, by law, is that William receives the Duchy of Cornwall. This will make him fabulously wealthy in his own right and no longer dependent on Charles' largesse. This in itself will further the disparity between Kate and Meghan.

This in itself will further the disparity between Kate and Meghan.

As if the disparity needed widening.

Ugh, you're probably right, R356. Hopefully; however, her advancing age will allow the press to be more emboldened in calling out her inappropriate attire.

The coronation would come before any other event... that usually takes a year of planning and preparation. I wonder if an investiture of Prince of Wales would be on the scale of previous investitures? The new (semi) slimmed down monarchy might not be up for a faux coronation. I don't believe Charles, in the end, will sideline his brothers and sisters as much as previously thought. There is plenty of work to go around and it will be a delicate transition from a long reigning and beloved queen to Charles with his complexities. The last thing he needs personally or the monarchy needs in terms of public perception are stories of new king with a tenuous hold on public affection treating others poorly from the prior popular reign.

R352 Perfectly dressed? I mean she looks better than "Preggy" Meggy but you're reaching if you think that is perfect. Red Shoes, Black Bag and Blue Headband... no no no, the shoes should have matched the bag at least. Those earrings also don't go with the high collar of the dress. Cressida isn't that much different than Meghan, she dumped Harry to become an actress and used her status as Harry's ex to get herself lead roles without any experience. It's revisionist history to think either Cressida or Chelsy would have made more suitable Duchesses, Harry just has terrible taste in women.

R360, in Meghan's addled head, she and Kate are equals. She will not see the disparity between the two of them until it is obvious. I can't wait until she has to grapple with hiding her fury in public. She'll still be scrounging for clothes and merching, and Kate will be her obvious superior in rank and every other measure.

Did she claim to be a vegan (R358)? as an actual vegan I despise people who pretend to be vegan for the social cachet. If she is half as fake as this board is making her out to be how can people stand being around her?

Thanks for explaining that, R364. I constantly struggle to understand MeAgain's mentality because it's just so incredibly twisted and...dense.

>For Prince William, it must be like sticking your dick in a freezer.[html removed]Meghan looks incredible at that York sow's wedding and very nearly always. She will grow into a fashion icon of Diana's magnitude.<

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha ... utter delusion of a Sugar.

> For Prince William, it must be like sticking your dick in a freezer.<

Given they've already got three kids, he must enjoy sticking his dick there quite a lot.

I doubt she will last long enough to see the disparity between their positions.

I wonder how popular Harry and Meghan are in Australia? They are so close to a republic referendum having MEagain swanning around might push them closer to the edge, I mean they've already had to endure Charles and Camilla this year.

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A theory on Camilla stepping away from attending... A friend said: “The truth is that she’s not that close to the Yorks and she also thinks the wedding has become too large and tacky.

“The Duchess is quite a down-to-earth person and she can’t believe it’s necessary for Eugenie to invite 850 guests and have a carriage ride through the streets of Windsor.

“It’s hard to see her turning down the invitation as anything other than a snub but she insists she has another social event which she must be at.”

Total power play if it's true.. as wife of the next king she can pull it off but wow... talk about the potential to create discord within the family. But in the end they put on as much of a united front as possible when they're in public.

she is sooo geddo.

Camilla is such a fucking bitch.

Like Harry didn't need a big wedding too, you fucking witch.

R372 A Power play within the family maybe?... but public opinion of her is already lower than that of Eugenie in the UK according to yougov, ditching a family wedding isn't doing herself any favors. I do also wonder if any of the royal family actually gave a shit she wasn't there, I'm sure some of the younger royals would revel in the fact she's not bothered to turn up & don't have to make polite conversation with her.

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So the Daily Mail is reporting there were more guests and more royals attending this wedding than Harry’s. How can that be? How does Yuge and her pedo dad have that much clout?

R376 emphasis on TINY village school...

R369, do you think she will leave on her own or be pushed out? She usually ghosts her partners after 2 or 3 years when someone better comes along. I think that she thought she could trade up again, maybe for a billionaire or a lifestyle brand. As delusional as she is, the street savvy side to her must realize now that it is not going to happen.

R377 It's not about clout, if Harry had invited 150 more guests and invited the minor royals like The Gloucesters, The Kents and their children then they would have turned up and they would have made room for them, but for some reason he chose not to... Possibly because they had to find seats for Meghan's "family" in the quire, and by family i mean Oprah, Serena and the Clooneys.

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To be fair, I think MM must be infinitely hotter in bed than Kate.

R377... Fergie and Andy were driving the bus for part of this, so for varying reasons they packed the thing. On the other hand, Harry's wedding seemed quite unguided... from wife to flowers, "poor Harry" was allowed to do as he pleased and between his own dim wit, his wife's ignorance of form and the royal family's indulgence, you got a smaller, more mediocre show. Whatever you think of the parents of the bride, this was a proper, aristocratic English wedding. Save for Fergie's various over excited grimaces it was beautifully, properly done. Harry's wedding was that of a dim wit to a carpetbagger, without any pressure to do it properly.

Cannot imagine that Fergie, Wills or Harry is sad that Camilla is in Scotland.

R383 - I wouldn't put any bets on that - Markle is an actress and did quite a few gigs looking like a hyena in heat; she's also a narcissist. She's what my Mum would sarcastically have called, "a professional Girl". And as my Mum also used to say, "It's the quiet ones you have to watch." And lastly, sexual passion rarely lasts that long in the domestic intimacies of marriage and children. William and Kate look closer and happier than they have since the early years of their marriage. Intimacy, in the long run, if the relationship matures well, is more important, and it's clear William and Kate are experiencing this now.

It remains to be seen if Meghan can parlay the honey trap with which she caught Harry into the next step in an adult relationship once the novelty wears off.

In an instant, Kate showed up all of tendril’s fake sexiness, thanks to the wind.

Plus she laughed at it.

But Meagain had better shoes.

Meghan's skin is glowing.

If she's not pregnant,I wonder what it could be. Newlyweds glow? They do look happy together, I must say.

Kate is both sexy and fertile. She and her family have given Wills the happy nuclear and extended family that both he and his brother were lacking. He really did choose well.

MeAgain makes people uncomfortable since she is not genuine. She is easily a decade too old to be playing the ingenue and the clock is running.

Harry has not looked happy in some time. He had seemed happy with his brother and with Catherine, but there seems to be distance there now as well. He is like a lost little boy in an adult body. If the blind about his mate is true, and his knowledge of the yachting, etc., how incredibly awkward for everyone, including his social circle.

I dislike Meagain Markle, think she was a bad choice and won't last, but even I don't think she was a prostitute yacht girl. She must have been investigated when this started to look serious, wouldn't you think? Between the palace and the press, that would haver been uncovered and even Harry isn't dumb enough to marry a prostitute.

Other actresses are rumored to yacht, like blowing Harvey, maybe not so uncommon, R391? Having been married twice before and with Harry having bumped down the line in succession, her not being a blushing virgin may have been par for the course. I think the Vanity Fair article and letter boxed him in a bit and my guess is that there is still some issue related to Soho House. Those IG vids were odd.

There certainly were not loads of happy smiles on his big day, nor lots of friends celebrating. She seems to have few friends except perhaps for her very close friend Jess.

Close-ups of MEagain reveal her "glow" as manufactured as her persona and is a combo of highlighter, illuminator, reflecting microbeads in her concealer, and plenty of filler.

I'm not questioning the existence of yacht girls, just that if she'd been one, Meagain Markle could have married Prince Harry. If her background wasn't probed by security or some such, surely a reporter could have proven it by now. Wife of Prince as Former Prostitute is a story. I don't credit any of it, personally, because it just seems like the kind of conspiracy internet rubbish that is up there with space aliens.

Think it is a bit more likely than space aliens, R394. You seem to have a view of the royal family that may be a bit out of date.

She clearly should have been screened out on some grounds. There is also the rumored taking photos in private areas and yet the wedding still took place. Although they were not invited to Scotland, keeping them at a distance...and the family looked grim at the wedding.

The distancing from his friends would make sense if one of them had paid her.

Surely more will be revealed with time.

I have a current view of reality, R395, which doesn't rest only on supposition and avoid logic. In what universe would a marriage be allowed between a member of the royal family and a known prostitute? What man with any pride would want to be the husband of a former prostitute? It's ridiculous. Do you do origami with your tinfoil or it is just for headgear?

Holy hell, R387, Kate's legs are extraordinary. What's her current workout routine? Is it mostly just swimming and tennis? (I know she's good at other sports, too, but I can't imagine she does field hockey, etc. on a regular basis these days.)

Meghan would do well to cultivate an interest in a sport. I say that because Kate's lifelong athleticism is one of the more interesting and surprising things about her: You wouldn't expect such a soignée woman to also be so hardy. I am convinced that this was one of the reasons William was attracted to her in their college years, and has remained attracted to her. In light of the fact that 1) Harry is also physically active, 2) he has, by all reports, always found Kate charming and fun, and 3) he, Kate, and William used to enjoy lots of outdoorsy activities together, it would strategic of Meghan to develop her athletic side.

R396, time will tell...would not be the first time.

R396, did you watch the odd IG vids, featuring Daria and the Soho crowd with Harry? What was your take on what was going on?

They are linked in an earlier thread.

Apparently you've never known men who married former prostitutes R396. Some of those marriages actually go the distance and are warm and compatible. I'm sure MM has filled dimwit's head with all sorts of spin; and frankly, Haz is far enough down the chain that it wasn't worth the effort nor the potential for it to paint the BRF as racist. And they do cover up a lot. Andrew sordidness has remained strictly in the realm of gossip even though there is little doubt he is involved with kinky sex trade shit.

I tend to prefer logic, fact and commons sense, so don't read minds or interpret IG video, R399. I leave that clairvoyants ands other similar internet geniuses. I also block loons, so that may explain the future loneliness of your debate.

It's Order of Precedence, R23, not preference.

Now … Princesses of the United Kingdom are two, … the blood royal, and the made. The non-royal commoners Kate and Meghan married royal titles, are now styled according to their husbands. "Made" princesses. Anne, Alexandra, Beatrice, Eugenie, Charlotte are the real deal, born HRH in their own right, not "made."

BRAVO R35!

The wedding was lovely. Sorry for all the DL haters, but Meghan was totally underplaying, not pulling focus. Good for her! So much for DL's "attention-whore" feelings.

R384 not that much of an aristocratic wedding when one of your bridesmaids is the daughter of Robbie Williams and Annoying Ayda. It makes MEagains choice of using the kid of Jenna Maroney or whatever her name is as bridesmaid actually look classy.

Agree, R400.

Why do you think the Vanity Fair article went to print? Why was she allowed to box them in? Using pics of the boyfriend and implying it was late night visits from Harry, etc?

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It's really tacky.

R101 it's said Kate could have or would have married an aristo to make the point that she wasn't a middle-class girl elevated out of mundane circumstances when she married a prince. She didn't need William for lifestyle. It's not a given that she would have, but her family had money, she didn't "need" to work, her circle of friends were all well-placed and well-educated, similar circles to William's by that point.

The Waity Katy thing always annoyed me. They met when they were just over 20 years old. Were they supposed to rush off and get married at ages 23 or 24? Particularly considering what was at stake? There was really no option but to wait it out through their middle twenties into their late twenties until William's training was over and until they had endured long enough to make what is a bigger commitment than most people who marry. Harry and Chelsey were together just about as long (didn't split for good until their last try in 2015) and didn't have the same ending, that's all. We've seen that Jack and Eugenie also were together 7-8 years and nobody called him Waity Jack. I read a story that the queen demanded the senior royals (the ones that need permission to marry) actually be in a committed relationship at least five years before marrying. Harry pretty much broke those rules, but I think Harry is a special case and special problem. Even though the queen herself married at 21, she had known Phillip since she was 13.

It's tacky because the rings are tacky, but the ring style is also really pinterest-y rich hippie, bohemian and that's how she's wearing them, stuffing her fingers with multiple rings. All she needs is a slouchy sweater with overlong sleeves and a maxi skirt or ripped jeans. Instead she's wearing those ridiculous rings with a structured coat, stilettos and her usual half-assed fascinator. I think some of the media is as tacky as Meghan - one twitter account said that after someone posted the rings looked cheap, she, the journalist, tallied them up and they were 7k! No, you moron. They looked CHEAP, as in tacky and trashy. Plenty of expensive stuff is cheap, tacky and trashy looking. That she didn't know the difference suggests she's cheap, tacky and trashy herself and thinks a price tag makes something good.

Then Megsy is carrying Prada gloves and a clutch, that she also is waving about. I didn't get the prada merching tweets - I wonder if Prada is ticked off about that.

Precisely, R408. Most people don't understand the difference between "expensive" and "in good taste," because they either weren't brought up in a social class that would pass along this knowledge, or haven't been motivated to learn the difference in adulthood.

No, Jessica Mulroney makes Robbie Williams and the celebrity crowd at Eugenie's wedding look legit, as if they'll be damed and knighted by the queen very soon. There is no one royal-adjacent tackier than Mulroney. Did Robbie Williams try to Pippa it up the stairs? Then he and his wife and everyone else has a way to go. Kate and William also didn't need to extract their kids from the other kids with a quickness the way the did at Harry's wedding, lest someone take an obnoxious photo exploiting them and posting it on instagram.

There's no one tackier than that Muroney chick. Ugh. If she's not a prostitution whore it's entirely by accident.

The fake-pregnancy coat was to take focus away from Eug and Kate and everyone else. The multiple rings stuffed on to Meg's stumpy, fat, freckled fingers look terrible and chavvy. MEMEME strikes again. The hat, hair and cosmetics are disastrous. She has learned nothing from proximity to the RF. Awful woman.

R410 If Robbie and Ayda are now legit guests to have at a royal wedding, then fuuuck me the abolition of the monarchy can't come soon enough.

From the "Eugenie Wedding" thread

The blind items about whatshername’s “pregnancy” have officially dropped! Here’s Enty:

“For those who say she isn't with child because she is scheduled to go on a Pacific tour, the rumor is that she isn't going. The buzz I'm hearing is that only the male royal is going. The reason is because there is a risk of Zika virus infection in that part of the world in pregnant women. If she's indeed pregnant they'll have to announce it as the reason she's not doing the tour. Lots of money and time have been spent on logistics and planning on this tour to include them both, so if she pulls out it's going to result in a lot of wasted money. Apparently they were specifically asked not to try to get preggo before this tour... it'll be interesting to see how this shakes out. If she goes then it's just rumor and nothing else...”

The whole zika fear is so stupid and exaggerated. Women in those places have babies everyday. She can go and still be fine.

Isn't the Zika risk limited to two areas they planned to visit and not every area?

The Entertainment Liar? Who would bring that shit here?

Ignore it, it's bullshit.

Why use the redundancy "prostitution whore?"

It's from RHONJ.

R413 just perfectly demonstrates what a fraud Enty is. "Oh there's a rumor she's pregnant and not going because of Zika. But if she goes I guess the rumor isn't true!"

That's what passes for a "blind item" now?

Markle's make-up was really poor. She went for a very heavy-handed no make-up make up. I'm not sure she had her lashes on, but she made up for it by spackling on bronzer so her cheekbones looked like iimplants. The worst move was the mauve -y dead toned lipstick with visible liner.

Enty has to make shit up because there is no way he sources are coming in with legit, high interest blinds on the daily. Reality doesn't meet his content demands. And everyone knows that gossip sites were where rumors were spread about actors and actresses who didn't bounce on the casting couch when requested, or whom were damaged in some way by directors or producers and needed their reputation trashed. It's also a way for Party A to undermine Party B. Meghan has been pumping out trash about Kate since she got near Harry. Also trash about Camilla. The only one she's left alone is the queen, and that's because she's the queen's favorite. And Charles' favorite. Everyone's favorite, except for jealous Kate and Camilla. So if she wants pregnancy speculation, she'll have her people go to Enty or whomever. I think she gets the idea off existing gossip. People were like no, she's not going to get pregnant because she has this tour. I just don't think the people at Soho are bright enough to know this shit on their own. They just read what people are saying and pull a story together based on that, to keep her relevant. If she's not relevant, she can't merch.

The point of posting the Enty blind is not to legitimize Enty.

It is to demonstrate that, approx. 24 hours after Eugenie’s wedding, someone from the Sparkle camp is already dropping hints about a pregnancy that probably does not exist.

Why the hell are Robbie and whatsername the hill you are dying on after the trashfest of Meghan and Harry's guest list?

One of the reports said that Meghan doesn't dress like a well-tended royal as she is indebted to (and working for) Soho House, and her intention is to dress like one of the trashy/tacky women they're trying to get as members. Now a Soho member probably wouldn't wear the "Gee, do you think I'm pregnant?" coat, but she would wear the rings.

She's in a weird bind because she probably wants to ditch the Sowhores for whatever she imagines to be worthy of Royalty but she by intellect and depth of character is probably best suited to sticking with the Sowhores. If she's going to survive what she's done to herself she needs to learn outdoors, horses, dogs, mud, guns and talking about the previous five with her relations in law.

To be fair, I think Meghan is probably a dud in bed. She is two dimensional. Kate is an athlete. She's comfortable with her body, in great shape, and obviously extremely fertile, which is sexy. Meghan is spindly, unathletic, walks like a flamenco and has weird posture.

Ouch...

I can imagine the compassion babble she used to bewitch poor dim Harry. He thought he'd struck gold with that one... repent at leisure.

Don't the Sussexes at least have a butler or maid that makes sure that their shoes aren't dirty or have holes in the soles and take the plastic shipping protectors off her heels and metal guards on the bottom of the handbags? Staff could put those adhesive cushions on the inside back of her too big shoes so they fit better and don't slip up and down while she's walking. They obviously can't pay attention to details on their own or problem solve. I thought KP lodgings came with staff/help. Do they have a cook or do they order carry out nightly and eat leftovers for breakfast? Serious questions.

I wonder about that too, R429. They live in that little house so there can't be any live in staff and it seems impossible to me if they were being cared for on a personal level that mistakes likes hole in the soles and unremoved vent stitches wouldn't happen. On the flip side, it is hard to imagine them popping off the dry cleaner. So I don't know. But if they're getting help, it isn't much.

R417, turn in your Datalounge card and get the fuck out.

Didn't William and Kate live in Nottingham Cottage until after George's birth? I can't imagine the second in line to the throne didn't have any sort of staff. And I don't recall them looking so poorly put together.

Lol look at megs face here when will tells kate to move and he looks back at meg to make sure she is okay.

#lovingit

R414 - The Zika fear is stupid and exaggerated? You must have missed the news coverage of those women and their babies with the misshapen heads. There is no such thing as an "exaggerated" risk if it's your baby.

Exposure to Zika is considered dangerous at any stage of pregnancy AND women planning to become pregnant are advised to wait at least 8 weeks after exposure to Zika to begin trying. Do you really think the BRF and Harry would risk harm to their first child especially with a 37 year old first-time mother?! And then risk the opprobrium if something does happen?

Either she's not pregnant or they'll suddenly announce that she won't be going on the Tonga and Fiji legs of the tour. If they haven't announced that change in schedule yet, she either isn't pregnant, or they're waiting till they're well away on the tour to announce it.

The two things that absolutely will not coexist are she's pregnant and she's going to two Zika zones.

You never take chances with shit like this. Least of all if you're fucking major royalty.

Oh god, the cunty fucking frau at r434 needs to crawl under BP and die.

R435 - And the fucking medical moron you are can be reincarnated as a pregnant woman in Peru at the height of a Zika outbreak.

Damnit! They're making me feel sorry for kate. Video clip in the link.

Basically all the couples are talking and william ignores kate.

Wills was talking to Charlie because HM and Phil weren't there yet and Camilla bailed. He had no one.

Kate's fine. She's secure enough in her marriage and her position to roll with it.

They supposedly live in Nottingham Cottage although there are rumors and people who insist Meghan does not live with Harry, but rather at the Soho Farmhouse. When she took a separate car from Kate after Wimbledon, the ex-boyfriend of Markus Anderson, Omid Skobie, who is now a royal "expert" (meaning he carries Meghan's water for her) said it was because they live in different places (Kate was going back to Kensington Palace, where most people assume Meghan also lived), that Meghan was going toOxfordshire or whatever. People were all "Aha! The Soho Farmhouse!" Scobie came back and hastily amended that Harry and Meghan have a Costwolds country place. It's been variously reported that it is rented or purchased. BUT, nobody seems to know what house it is exactly. Every week or so a different house is said to be THE house. So I think she IS at the Soho Farmhouse, and Harry probably bunks there too at times. I don't think either are really welcome hanging out at Kate and William's headquarters.

That's funny R437, since all the reports about Kate and William at the wedding focused on them holding hands with her hand on his thigh. He put his hand over her hand and squeezed it and they stayed like that as he turned the order of service with his right hand. But you come up with the one image of him talking to his father, to try and create the impression Kate is being ignored. Why is that?

All right Dlers - here's a tidbit from today's TIMES (UK) that should liven things up a bit: Meghan is taking Jessica Mulroney on the tour with her.

Yes, - the TIMES.

Words fail me.

Some people assume nice people (like Kate) can't be good in bed and that sleazy people (such as Meghan) must be good in bed. Meghan would present some challenges in the bedroom - I don't know if Harry has ever had to wrangle weaves before. He'd have to be careful with the hair. Then, too, she'd have to remove her plastic choppers (the obvious flippers she uses) before performing a bj, which might be a buzz kill.

Put her on ignore, R440 and the Megsy cunt-licking becomes abundantly clear.

R441... LOL OMG Holy fuck... that will see us through Christmas!

And with Markus Anderson as Lady in Waiting... thank you, Santa!

I watched bits and pieces of Eug's nuptials. I noticed both Kate on her own while William talked with Charles and the hand-on-thigh shot seen 'round the world.

Everything's cool in W&K world.

As for MeME bringing her whore friend on tour, no good will come of it. You know they'll act up and make trouble. Actually, one good thing may come of it, the banishment of Jessica fucking Muroney from visiting or traveling with any member of the BRF forever.

R440 Oh, you poor, sad frau. Are you really so invested in William and Cathy that you have to not only believe, but embellish in explicably, this sad mythology? He's as much fun as a stick. Always has been. Still, even HE couldn't stomach her middle class Middleton boring until it was clear no one with any spark would have him, even if he'll be king someday. Not his fault - even Princess Diana said Harry would always get the girls. They are deadly, deadly boring individually, but exponentially as a couple. The athletic [manish], stylish [styled by professionals to an almost hospital like sterility], dedicated [criticized consistently in the UK press for doing fewer solo engagements than almost anyone else], is exactly who Wills deserves and all he could get. The real question is: why does Meghan Markle, the relatively successful American actress who married the hottest UK prince trigger you so? What is it about her that reminds you what garbage you truly, at your core, are? You might want to explore that before posting your rubbish again.

The British taxpayers are paying for Mulroney's airfare and accommodations, if not her styling skills? It is an early Christmas for DL and tabloids everywhere! But Meghan should really know better because Jessica is going to steal some of the limelight from her and the Duchess will not be pleased. I'm sure the Australian press will have their talons out as they did in an article linked above thread that chronicled the ladies' Italian vacation and overly close relationship they unwisely shared on Instagram.

Here william removes his hand. It's so awkward you have to watch it to see just how.

R446 off her meds again. We're going to be inundated with pics here soon...

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You're all such cunts. It's Cathy who has no natural fashion sense and has to be styled to death. For Prince William, it must be like sticking your dick in a freezer. Meghan looks incredible at that York sow's wedding and very nearly always. She will grow into a fashion icon of Diana's magnitude.

Now now R451, you are not even trying. Troll better. We've all put the real Meghan ass licker on ignore.

Works for me. But it's a different sequence, not when William is holding her hand while reading the program. And there's nothing awkward about it.

I think it's beyond obvious that the Mulroney chick and Meghan are in love. Mulroney is the alpha in that relationship. Meghan steals her schtick (like the don't photoshop my freckles thing she does) but clearly in their case imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and also love.

Mulroney is the closest thing to a safety net Meghan has.

R446 must be that awful Maroney woman in Canada. Ex-hookers are either angels or cunts and we can all see which way Miz Maroney went.

Man, Mulroney is proud of that ass and it ain't much. Must be fun inside her head.

Meghan and Harry have staff - Amy the aid, and that Samantha woman, but they seem to be more on the admin / logistical side and not on the home front. If, indeed, Meghan is in debt to Soho - and HARRY acting like their bitch as well as Meghan clearly being their bitch suggests it is possible - her debts are his debts so he is probably happy to have her merch her flat little tuchus off so he doesn't have to pay. One "insider" says that Charles is fair, but is not about to solve Meghan's debt problem for her. That is Harry's look out. If any of this is true it would explain why they do not have staff, as in valet's and people looking after their grooming and clothing. The only time Meghan has come up truly groomed was that one trip where the label which supplied her clothing also sent a stylist and hair person, as per their policy.

R446 - Your post is one of the most surreal I've ever read. William was the matrimonial prize of his generation. Harry would get all the girls? Which girls? He ended up with a piece of grifter trash from L.A., 36, divorced,a D-list actress who'd spent more time on the casting couch than Harry did growing up, from a family right out of Tobacco Road, and who wouldn't have looked at him without that HRH in front of his name.

She's trash. So is he - only with more pedigree.

R451 - Jesus, sweetheart you've got it bad, ent you?

"So in love-Just we two- That we don't know what to do"

Maybe Mulroney needs a "dresser" on the tour. Why not send in an application?

Yeah, those rings across her right hand: she looked fantastic - brass knuckles, the new trendy accessory for all royal duchesses.

R444 R447 - Truly - couldn't believe me own eyes when I saw the headline.

I can't wait to watch the MeAgain stans twisting and turning as they try to figure out how to put a positive spin on this.

And oh, lads, what do we think the Daily Mail will make of this? "All scheduled leave is cancelled!"

Oooohhhh, the Mulroney woman must be singing like a canary in the shower . . .

Just in case MI6 persuades the TIMES to take the story down:

https www thetimes.co.uk edition news meghan-to-take-best-friend-jessica-mulroney-on-royal-tour-ts6rlljnv

Perhaps Meghan will hastily appoint Mulrony as a LIW - or explain that Mulroney is paying her own way . . . or that she's been "hired" as a consultant.

Jesus - you'd think Harry would show some balls here - or at least a bit of common sense!

I just started watching The Windsors on Netflix. I am fascinated to watch in real time Prince Harry prove the rule of his lampooned namesake.

The pic In the Times, JM and MM look very chummy.

I don't think that a sixth tier, non-blood princess/royal duchess gets a real Lady in Waiting. She can hire an assistant for trips, maybe that's what the Muroney woman is doing.

Have the HazBeans left for their tour down under?

The media reported that the Sussexes might not be able to attend the evening party for the newlyweds because they were supposed to fly to Australia on Sunday morning some time. So they're supposed to be in transit today. Could someone please post the Times article? Registration is required to read more than a snippet of it.

Do you mean the New York Times? There's nothing on this there, you must mean the London Times, to which I do not subscribe. Sorry.

Meant the London Times with the link at R460

And you think MI6 would remove a story about some Canadian chav friend of Markle's being invited on tour with them because...?

I can see the palace having a quiet word with a friend at the Times, not wanting bad press for Markle, etc. I hardly think it calls for MI6 to be involved.

R446 when people say “The Times” it usually means the Times of London which has been published since before the dollar became US currency. Any other “Times” is a latecomer.

Kind of the same reason why British stamps don’t have the country printed on them, they were the first so they didn’t need an identifier.

Both Catherine and MM looked lovely at the wedding. MM does look pregnant. Her breasts even look fuller. She and Harry look happy so let them be.

Fergie looked better than everyone else. She seems to mean well, but people can be so unforgiving.

What I found most interesting was how much happier The Queen and Prince Philip looked at this wedding versus Harry's!

Thank you, R469, unfortunately for Brits this is an American website with a majority of American users. Here in America if you say something was "in the Times" it's always referring to the New York Times, the paper of record in the United States.

However, having checked the Times, I realized you meant the London Times and all's well that ends.

R470 Harry looks like he's running on his last nerve. He is jittery and OTT. She HAS no breasts. WTF do you mean "even fuller". At what point did you see her boobs under her buttoned coat during that wedding? You didn't.

You certainly hang out here trying hard though.

R465 I bet the Sussexes weren't wanted at the evening party and tour prep gave them a pretext.

R462 - you can say that again.

What I find striking in the photos of them together is the languid, blissed out expressions on their faces. They always look post-coital.

After the Queen dies and Charles becomes the king and Will becomes the Prince of Wales, will he keep the title of the Duke of Cambridge? And is Harry’s title going to be elevated in some way? Will he become the Duke of York after Andrew has died? Question for the folks out there who kniw how these things work.

When Charles becomes King, William becomes Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge. The Duchy of Cornwall comes with a large income. This is why Charles as the current Duke of Cornwall is very rich. The Duchy of Cornwall is bestowed on the Heir Apparent.

There’s no reason for Harry to become Duke of York - he already has his own Duchy (of Sussex). Besides, Andrew could conceivably marry again and with his new wife produce a son who would be the next Duke of York.

R476 again - I forgot to add that William becomes Prince of Wales once Charles as King crowns him as Prince of Wales - it isn’t automatic.

For example if Charles predeceases the Queen, on her death William would be King having never been Prince if Wales unless the Queen crowned him as such between Charles’s death and her own.

There are lots of rules and it gets complicated and always depends on the circumstances at the time.

That’s interesting, R476, thanks for the reply. I understand that only the Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall come with an income. Does it mean that all others are just courtesy titles and don’t entail any rights or responsibilities?

I've never seen Meghan with pit stains, like her clothes or not.

R476 here, R478 - my understanding (someone please correct me) is that other royal dukedoms (Kent, Gloucester, Cambridge, Sussex etc) have no income and therefore are in name only.

[quote]And is Harry’s title going to be elevated in some way?

It's been too long, DL.

He is! My love told me that he's going to carve a wee Duchy of Tiggingham out of the most amatory and verdant Duchy of them all — CASTLEMILK. That's in Glassgow I think? Myself, I have no received perception of the concomitant details to date but isn't that name just the most jejunely sweet thing ever?? I can just see it promulgated all over my gift shop's friable milky-quartz elixir infusion bottles. A dream! Mais oui, bien sûr?

I'm already precipitating a yoga retreat, the UK's first Glassybaby factory/immersive experience, and of course the first Soho x Royal Tig House. I shall call it a 'flagship'.....just a mordant little word I came up with whilst having my tender buccal mucosa massaged by the most parsimonious of mute octoroon facialists. I love my life; so redolent of rare blood-clover, wildcrafted juniper fumée, and kitten fur it is!

#gratitude #blessed #duchesslife #bosslady #thatphilanthropytho

J'adore, R481. That was poetry. Reminded me a bit of the old DL, in fact.

R440 as other have mentioned, on film it didn't last long. I do agree Kate or the both of them are trying on some extra PDA to make themselves a bit more likable. Never saw this before between the two. They do seem rather loved up the last couple of engagements I have to say.

A beso de tornillo to you, my adoring commoner at R482. One always extrapolates that one won't duly intimidate one's subjects. Such a quiescent relief that you dared address me! XOXO

There’s a picture of Kate with her hand on Will’s thigh next to Justine Trudeau, there’s picture of them embracing during some sport event, and there are numerous pictures of them holding hands.

R485 True, but they are all stills. Big difference when you see them in "real time". They were never PDA people anyway. That's what makes me a bit suspicious.

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Since dreams are coming true and prayers are being answered I'm putting in my request right now for a caped tuxedo jumpsuit, but I'd like the legs to be changed to mud-dragging xxx-wide bellbottoms.

With Mulroney present and three outfits per day, the sky's the limit. What would you like to see?

The tour will be a raging success. Everybody’s going to love Meghan. I think Harry is unlike Charles in that he’s much more likable himself and therefore he doesn’t get jealous when Meghan also gets public adulation. I think he’s secretly proud that he married such a smart and strong woman. It’s true that so far, his has been a wasted life up to the present, but now that Meghan took him in hand, she might bring out some good that he has in him.

from the Telegraph: The Telegraph can disclose that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex missed Friday night’s tequila-soaked celebrations because they had to finish packing for their 16-day tour of Australia and the Pacific, which starts on Tuesday.

The tour will be interesting on two fronts... for Meagain does she become a star who carries it off? Or does she seem to talk too much and then be cast as pushy and ill informed? The tour will leave an indelible mark on perception of her. She's banged on enough about the Commonwealth that she plainly sees a place for her as de facto Queen of that.... we'll see how she plays it and it plays as she does.

Second, how does the friendship between Meagain and Mulroney emerge once the trip is over? Is Jass Mulroney the type whose ego can handle being a servant? Because that's what she is on this trip. No selfies (though there is a Soho House in Sydney... I wonder if there will be any coincidental publicity campaign planned? Will the happy accident of Markus in town just happen to happen?) So Jass can either cope kept entirely in the background, zipping zippers and gluing tendrils in place, or she tries to insert herself into visibility. And you can imagine how much Her Royal Highness will come to enjoy that idea...

Soapy goodness...

I think the public is still in their honeymoon stage with MM. Every faux pas she makes will be justified. It may be brought up later, in retrospect, if there is a falling-out and MM is not popular anymore.

R471 I’m American and I’m also not r465. I have always known the NYT to be called The New York Times and The Times refers to the London paper. The fact you are so parochial you don’t know the difference is your problem. This is also not “an American website”. It’s just a website, anyone from anywhere can post.

R481 that was genius, sheer genius. The addition of Castlemilk was perfection.

R486 - and we all know that there is a Ruling Standard for PDA and that no one, least of all a future King and Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, may be allowed to have slightly more reserved personalities and still really love each other, as opposed to the extravagant displays of a D-list actress from L.A. who has spent the last twenty years promoting herself?

Clearly, MeAgain loves Harry more than Kate loves William, because Kate doesn't drape herself all over her husband whenever a camera turns their way.

I don't know how the Australians feel about MM. They are generally less royalist but Mary of Denmark is popular since she's one of them? Will MM get the same boost since she's a commoner too? Or is she twice damned, because American (thanks to Trump) and now part of the BRF?

R489 - what fantasy land are you living in, Sugar! Are you sniffing the same substance as Dimwit and Nutmeg?

Imagine the screaming fight when the Australian humidity does it's worst:

Fix it! Fix it!

I caaaaaaaan't! It's your fucking hair!!! I'm not a hairdresser I'm a .... I'm.... fuuuuck bitch!

R498 Prescient, my friend, spot on.

'suppose she could always plop on a wiglet like kate.

I wonder if the hazezes have moved in next to the willnots yet. That'll be interesting.

Bet keen kate can't wait to bring over some chutney

Considering that a reporter blew the lid off the fact that the media are not allowed close enough to MeAgain when she's on engagments to hear what she says to the populace, I doubt she will be doing much speaking on this tour.

Kate has her own hair. I think you should not take your delusions and fantasies about the Cambridges out for an airing anywhere other than the bolthole where you and fellow idiots treat your Kate fan fiction as if they're true.

R495, not to mention they do show subtle PDA all the time, but then again, its not writ large with the burping, double hand clasping and clinging while Kate totters along on heels that are longer than half her shin. That's more Meghan's style. It's interesting that Meghan is SO bad at performing in public that the average person finds her phony, because she was a truly terrible, terrible actress which was why she couldn't support herself acting until she booked Suits.

Sensitive, are we? Can't take the heat get out of the dl kitchen, frau. Perhaps tumblr would better suit you, r502

Classic Sugar @R504. Has been told a million times to go back to tumblr, so appropriates it for her own - and it is a she. No ideas of her own.

I just love how blatant it all is. Hey, guess what, folks? Jessica Mulroney, Meghan's lady friend, is going with her on this tour. They don't like to be apart.

Yes, her hubby is in media, but in the normal course following Harry and his spouse on a "give them something to do" trip is not an assignment he'd receive.

This is going to go on quite some time. When it's over, I wonder what Harry will have left. He keeps digging himself deeper, and this year he's burning bridges at Invictus, what with only attending two days and giving his "did nothing" spouse the high profile closing speech, which is unbelievably disrespectful and patronizing. Hey, Invictus is a spotlight, so lets give it to Meghan. It's a slap in the face to the athletes who don't know her, and all those working behind the scenes. What does he have besides Invictus, other than a generic "Commonwealth" spot which he doesn't seem to understand. Meghan seems to think it is still a colonist type of relationship. And his empty Major title

The cringey word "Sugar" came from the middle aged tumblr fraus. Keep revealing yourself, frauhag r505

R441 - I posted the initial news about Mulroney and the article in the TIMES. I usually indicate UK or NY, sorry I forgot to do so this time.

I'm quite surprised that the DM hasn't jumped on this yet, at least not that I've seen today.

R506 - I'm also a bit taken aback, although I shouldn't be at this point given that Meghan Markle showed very early with the Vanity Fair article and then the threats to the British press that she has the balls of the proverbial brass gorilla. I made a joke about the brass knuckles earlier re the rings across her right hand, but I'm a great believer in unconscious symbolism. Nice demure quite navy outfit to the royal wedding, but brass knuckles on her right hand as she prepares to set out for her first major royal tour with her girlfriend in tow.

I'd say she's not just wearing the trousers in this relationship, but the dildo.

The BRF are beginning to look like lemmings heading off a cliff. Always the sign of a species on the decline.

R498 Something like that already happened to Kate somewhere and her hair is only sort of wavy .

Jess is her personal stylist

R507, you are kind of #sad. I feel sorry for you.

R457 "Look at all the press," she [Princess Diana] said. "William will be king, and this is what it will be like. Harry will end up getting all the girls."

Now, go fuck yourself.

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Didn't Mulroney just get some job in Canada for a store I think (Hudson's)? How is she able to go on this tour. This is getting even more ridiculous!

R511 No offense but that's such a fat girl thing to write.

#tearsofaclown

The BRF had enough non-bland types with Diana and Fergie. Kate's and William's low-key, low-drama blandness is just what the doctor ordered. Harry and MeAgain can be the comi-tragic relief, because of how far they are from the throne. That said, the downfalls of Pss. Margaret, Diana, and Fergie should serve as warning signs to Meghan Markle that there's only so far you can go without consequences.

R510 - "Jess"? You two on a first-name basis?

Since when does the British taxpayer support the services of a "stylist" for the wife of the sixth in line who just happens to be wealthy in her own right, have loyalties to her own fashion career and is clearly using her connection to said wife of said sixth in line to further those, and who has kept said Duchess in clothing that doesn't support the British fashion industry?

The erstwhile Meghan Markle is ever more clearly a ruthless opportunist and she is making a fool of the British taxpayer, her husband, the BRF. Frankly, the latter deserve it for letting her in.

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Right, Diana, the expert, who got herself killed before Harry was 13. Harry hasn't been able to get ANY girls. Chelsey hung around but despite many tries she couldn't pull the trigger and they were over. Cressida was a shining example of "She's just not that into you."

You look at William's past girlfriends and women friends, both imagined and assumed, and it's a line up of similar types. Responsible, social, educated, family and civic-oriented grown ups who have all, along with William, moved along to the next phase of their lives where they are raising young families.

Neither of Harry's exes have married - perhaps they are as commitment phobic as he has. Other than those two, his hook-ups, rumored and real, is a line up of trash. If that is "getting all the girls" to some people, than they must relate to trash (that would explain their resentment of girls who have their shit together). Now he's ended up with a Z lister, an out and out grifter, older than he is, empty as a blank sheet of paper, made of of avaricious and massive thirst. And doesn't he looks happy! Scratching himself, restless, getting balder by the minute, looking anxious, seeking approval. Even his supposed magic touch with kids is waning.

Harry is they key here. What is his problem? Whenever I read about his drug problem the article always says things like, "But his friends weren't the ones responsible for his experimentation with cannabis." Really? Do they think we're morons? CANNABIS? He didn't have a fucking weed problem. Weed is not a problem. Weed doesn't cause Harry-type behavior. Drinking problems run in his family on the female side (his great grandma and his great aunt, for two) And he's both irresponsible and massively entitled. But what else is there? Meghan is not the problem. The problem is a) Harry couldn't "see" her when a kid on the street can tell who she is, and b) Harry was at the point where he ended UP with a Meghan Markle. It is impossible for not just William, but any other royal dude like Peter Phillips, for example, to end up with Meghan Markle. Phillips' bride comes from an ordinary background, but as a PERSON, she is steady. Markle is a mess, and I think she sort of tells us who Harry is.

Eh, she's going on tour, of course she will bring a stylist. Kate does all the time. It's a tour!

I'm sure Hudson Bay will give Mulroney plenty of latitude to follow her girlfriend the Duchess around. Mulroney isn't really qualified for any of the jobs she does. She sells that she's the daughter in law of a former prime minister, and that's about it. When I look at her instagram her biggest interest appears to be showing off workouts that put her ass front and center. She's just promotion, that's all.

Oh, forgot to mention that other than Chelsy and Cressida, a solid chunk of Harry's rumored flings and hook-ups are well-known beards for closeted show business types.

Well dammit R520, just like the fat orange clown, Megsy only hires the BEST people natch. It is a reflection of her highly refined taste right?

Exactly, R522.

Alternatively, are we to see him as some sort of cuck when all these sensual shots of his wife and her girlfriend are floating around? Gay or cuck or fool or all 3?

Are taxpayers paying for her travel and accommodations?

When William and Kate met and began dating, Diana's tragic, hugely dramatic death and all the public histrionics that followed afterwards were in the relatively recent past. Kate knew she was expected to be the anti-Diana, and, in fact, she was built for it. She was sane, functional, had a loving, intact family, was good at school (Diana couldn't even pass her O levels), very athletic, gorgeous, generous, and loyal. Nobody wanted another Diana. Or another Fergie. It was all very recent history.

Now it's fifteen years later, which means instead of Diana's death being a mere five years in the past, it's twenty plus years in the past, and people are forgetting that Diana nearly did in the monarchy. Some of the press that didn't know her thought Meghan would bring a lot of glamor and Hwood style pizazz to the BRF, but instead she's bringing - what is that? It's just weird. Sure, there's stilettos, and bare legs, and her porn star make-up, and she definitely loves the spotlight, but there's something not "there" about it, and her clothes aren't fun or glamorous. SHE doesn't look fun or glamorous. Her clothes are strange, and we have to wait til they are merched by the label to know what we're supposed to take from her ensemble. ("Hey folks, the Duchess is wearing our bespoke coat woven by BeeBalm dwelling garden gnomes ant it cost 7k!!") And her sugars go - WOW, Charles must be crazy about her to let her spend that much on a coat!

There's a narrative about Meghan - and there's the actual Meghan. The actual Meghan, in how she dresses and behaves, doesn't live up to the narrative the media tries to create for her.

So, both Mr. and Mrs. Mulroney are going on this tour??

Doesn't that end up costing the taxpayers of Australia, New Zealand, Tonga and Figi more money, for accommodations if nothing else.

Anyone from any of the places being visited on DL?

How is this being viewed Down Under?

A problem with self-loathing R516? Transferrence won't achieve results. Have you tried keto?

Aren't there any British stylists good enough for Clingon to take on her jaunt?

R527 Keto? Is that what you do? That explains why you hate Meghans bony ass...it's all coming together now. Thanks, frau.

R528, the lack of British designers thing is where "Meghan is in debt to Soho House and merching to pay them off" storyline gets some legs. British labels are a lot more cautious about merching with the royal family. It's against the rules. They don't want to end up penalized somewhere down the line. Maybe they've received a caution through channels or something. It's not as if Meghan's merching is subtle. I mean the rings she wore to the wedding were ridiculous. She had her hand up, showed them off. the gloves and clutch were sort of props/set dressing for the rings, and the ring merchant went in big with a huge close-up of her hand, identifying and pricing every one. They needed that close-up for their promotion and Meghan made sure she gave it to them.

Mulroney is also a mercher, and she has been building her relationships with labels, although she doesn't exactly dress the stars. She DID dress Sophie Trudeau. That prime ministerial connection gave her a bit of traction in the fashion industry, and she was able to get samples, freebies, first renditions, bags, shoes, etc. We can all see by what Meghan wears over and over which labels work with Mulroney. She still has to hustle though. She still has to get on the phone and beg for the freebies and loans; she still has to sell. If you look at what Meghan wears, despite the hype and the claims, she doesn't really move the merchandise. And obviously that chick at Givenchy is all about notifying the world whenever she dresses Meghan. I'd really like to see Givenchy's financials - bet they are dire. Once in awhile a real label will work with Meghan for a specific event, such as when Dior gave her some pieces for an ... Ireland?.. visit and you better believe they sent a stylist and hair person along with the clothes so that Meghan wouldn't destroy their reputation. On that trip you could tell which pieces were the label with the stylist because they were the ones that fit, and those were the clothes she wore with nice, Suits-level hair and make-up. As soon as that visit was done, it was back to tendrils, caked on nude make-up, and poor fit.

R524 my vote is all three. I think Harry is at least a little bit gay. Cuck because he thinks or thought he was in control, and he got played. Fool because he looked at her and thought she'd fool other people when he was the only person who was fooled. He is Dunning-Kruger in red hair - thinks he's smarter than the average bear when he's dumber than most. My favorite thing about her is how lowest common denominator she is - she's absurd. Kate got kudos for influencing the purchase of maternity coats across the nation - this emerged as news a few days before the wedding, and so Meghan arrives to the wedding trying to make her coat look like a maternity coat. At the wedding, Eugenie does a full on, down to the floor curtsey to the queen that looks magnificent with her wedding gown; outside the church when the women curtsey, Meghan goes all the way to ground in her stiff navy outerwear and stilettos. Kate is photographed at polo wrangling the kids, including a widely distributed shot of her running down a small incline in her stilettos. Next time Meghan is out, she apes Kate's pose as she tries to run across a field. It's cringe-making, and I'm sure everybody around Harry makes jokes, and he knows it. But too late. He was stupid. He's also only sixth in line. He's not that important. He knows it, which is why he made this desperate grab at the spotlight one more time. Princess Margaret was once hot stuff - this was before the queen's kids grew up and Charles' love life, along with Andrew's (remember Koo Stark) and Anne's romantic adventures took over and Margaret was relegated to the caftan-wearing has been in Mustique hanging out with a boy toy. Prince Andrew was also once hot stuff - had a bigger wedding than Harry. But for all his scandal, Andrew, I think, plays the game of being the spare better than Harry.

Isn't there a board where Harry the closeted cuckold conspiracy idiocy is well received? It's fun to slag but useful to confine it to somewhere in the galaxy of reality. Still gives you a lot of room to manoeuvre.

This Mulroney joining the tour business really makes you wonder if the Firm is consciously handing Sparkle all the rope she unwittingly will take.

A sugar calling MM's ass bony. Well land sakes!

Says the Mail: "Jessica and her husband Ben are expected to fly from Toronto to Sydney to join Harry and Meghan in an 'unofficial' capacity - meaning they will pay their own expenses."

So who's paying their expenses? Will we she promote her own interests via Instagram? They have ten staff going with them. What do they need Jass for?

What time are they due to arrive today? It’s already the15th in Australia.

At least now with the news of their 20k private 1-hour flight to the Soho House opening being struck by lightning, Bean will have an excuse for whatever horrors await her tendrils in the humidity.

“I was electrocuted only one month ago [long pause as voice fake breaks] yet I stand before you today, my dear subjects, as a shining example of the resilience of the human spirit. One only has to believe!”

R536 According to Omid Scobie they arrive on the 15th but aren't having a public welcoming ceremony, so sadly no footage of Meghan trying to walk down some airstairs in six inch heels, their tour officially starts on the morning of the 16th.

R537 - the Australians will probably have someone at the airport to meet them and some footage of their arrival.

R514 That article is buried on the DM's site. They don't want to rain on Dim and Dimmer's tour or Eug's wedding.

[quote]Fingers and toe crossed that MM is a CIA operative. What's the end game? Is the CIA trying to bring down the BRF? Is Camilla CIA too?

This thread is a hoot. Correction: the delusional ranting in this thread is a hoot.

R538 Well we'll find out in a few minutes, although this reporter looks like she's on the wrong side of the fence.

Meghan is going to get in so much trouble back home. With the Mulroney woman in tow something is bound to go wrong. Expect a lot of this:

Sixteen days? Day One...

Day two... Meagain's first speech...

Day four.... a glimpse at Jass's Insta

Day seven... Skyping with Kate over the kangaroo incident...

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Look for plenty of this...

R537 Can't beat Kate coming down the airplane stairs in heels with a toddler on her arms .

Yeah, r549 I have to say Kate has some incredible balance and sure-footedness. I've seen her practically run down stairs wearing skyscrapers on more than one occasion. Freaks me out, but good for her.

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She's arrived and she MEANS business!

Oh, she's been studying her briefing notes.

Haz, did you know your Grandmother is Queen here too?!? And they speak English! I'm starting to think the Little Red School House wasn't all that!

Wearing black. LOL.

Okay, dark colors and a winter coat. Who called it?

Oh, everyone did? Never mind.

This will end in tears. Of laughter.

I love how she is hauling binders around like its between periods in high school. Dont change Megs, you crazy bitch. She is such a train wreck. She clearly does not understand her actual capacity as a "Duchess"

Their staff look thrilled.

Not.

So since this is their first real tour, do we start a separate thread for it, or stick with the now traditional Dangling Tendrils?

I also meant to add “staring into the camera.”

In any case, this guessing came is canceled.

And gripping his hand tightly. Yeah, they just got off the plane and the bingo card has pretty much been filled.

It is really humid in Sydney this morning - foggy out on the Harbour right now and forecast to be raining off and on until Thursday. That’s going to wreak havoc with her hair. Jessica’s probably got the hair straighteners on standby.

She has binders because she's been working on her speeches, giving them those special Tiggy details.

I was looking for more pictures from today and came across that forgotten old photo documenting her single best performance — pretending to be put out by the presence of a camera.

Brava, Bean!

Brava!

Meagain has a secret strategy to charm the Ozzies. Here she is seen practising, in great humidity.

They're in Australia already? Did they do this intentionally to drive Eugenie and Jack off the front pages so soon?

r567 No, it was planned pretty far in advance.

I remember going to Australia... worst jet lag ever and I was flying business, so had lie flat seat. This will be hard for anybody.

Oh no! Rumor has it she stumbled getting into the car and three of her high-level documents were dropped. Some vulture with no morals picked them and already has the scans online. Disgusting!

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Love you R570 / R571

R573 beat me too it! Bravo!

I think that they’ll cope, R569 - the Qantas A380 has First Class (real First Class, not American “first class”). No customs or immigration, police escort from the airport to the Governor General’s harbourside residence opposite the Opera House. Nothing to do today but chill. They’ll be ok.

They still had to fly commercial though, so I would assume that doesn't exempt them from custom's though I'm certain they got the royal treatment no pun intended.

Arm pulling, hair touching, and a little wave when she's forced to detach long enough for Harry to walk to the other side of the car

LOL "forced to detach". Perfect r577

Is she wearing these ghetto hooker rings again?

As an Australian taxpayer I’d rather they fly commercial than private! We’re paying for this.

The people there are just thrilled to see them.

Not.

Hey R580, does anybody care about them coming to Oz?

I think the fact that Jessica Mulroney is going on this tour speaks once again to how on their own Harry and Meghan actually are. If they had a real budget - or if their budget weren't being diverted to "other things", there could be a wardrobe purchased without Mulroney needing to "make enquiries". One would think it would be non-Brit labels pursuing the supposedly glamorous new Duchess. Real stars get samples sent to them, unasked, all the time. The brand or label is just hoping the item will be worn. That Meghan's girlfriend has to work the phones and email and hustle clothes for her, that it doesn't happen without prompting, says a lot. It would also explain why so much of what she receives is crap. "Well, let's give her this. It's been discontinued." "Oh Jaime, would you pull the first rendition of that cocktail suit from storage? The one we're now doing cropped, with a reworked jacket. The first rendition has a massive peplum dragging off it to the knee - you can't miss it."

Her face vs. everyone else's

WOW R584 That is striking! I wonder if she was a total cunt on the plane and everyone just wants her to fuck off and die. That's what I am reading in those expressions. Harry has the oddest durrrr look on his face. Jet lag, or wasted?

I love Samantha. I particularly love how crazy she makes the girls at Go Fug Yourself, who worship Meghan. Against all the evidence, they imagine the rest of the royal family just adores her and will take her part in any fight. It drove them bananas when Emma Wickstead criticized Meghan's wedding dress and the rest of the royal women continued to wear Wickstead. They want desperately to see proof that she's accepted, considered wonderful, part of the family, and the continued evidence that the opposite is the case has them frustrated. Every time Sam shows up they want to jump out a window.

[quote]She clearly does not understand her actual capacity as a "Duchess"

But some random on DL does, clearly from first hand experience. LOL

[quote]I wonder if she was a total cunt on the plane and everyone just wants her to fuck off and die. That's what I am reading in those expressions.

Ah, the "face reading" fiction. LOL

No one here likes you r587 Go find another sandbox to play in you dull frau.

Harry looks like a Muppet and has small squinty eyes. Not aging well at all.

Cannot get the image of him knocking the heads of the young boys together out of my mind when I see him.

Complete frauds, the both of them.

Some people do, I guess, R580. They’re front page on the tabloids but barely mentioned in the respectable papers, although the Invictus Games are worth a mention.

Their fan base, like that for all the Royal Family except the Queen, constitutes fangurls and old ladies who will be dead in twenty years’ time.

The Queen is highly respected and her last visit here, which was almost certainly her last visit here, was met with interest and genuine sadness that she’ll not be around for a whole lot longer.

Then we’ll have King Charles as our Head of State living 17,000 km away - no thanks. I find them all entertaining from a gossip/camp point of view (which is why I’m here!) but politically and constitutionally? Roll on the Republic once the Queen is dead.

^^ That was for R582.

We are heading to 600 fast. Part 15 below

R588, tough luck. LOL

I believe Harry is a fraud (R589), but what are you referring to with the knocking heads together? sounds awful.

I assume Mr Jess Mulroney is coming along as cover for the lovebirds?

Jesus. This is surreal at this point.

Re the link at R552.

I scanned through all the pictures and the only one grinning like the faker she is is Sparkle.

In fact no one behind them is smiling in all the pictures but one blond woman is is shown smiling in one single group shot - the last one.

Are those really their staff?

If so, sheesh! Not happy campers.

Can you point me to a vid of Harry knocking the boys heads together R589? I keep hearing about it but I can't seem to find it.

R594, it happened during their walkabout earlier this month. The video should be linked on this thread or the one just prior.

Jess and her gay hubby have 3 young kids but both are going? Lots of comments on articles about them being lesbians. They have not been very careful.

Reminder Part 15 Here:

R596 they just got off a 21 hour flight and the staff would have been in Business class - still nice on the 380 but not as nice as in First. Having done that flight many times I can tell you they will be desperate for a dump, a shower and clean clothes.

You know what they say about “beringedness”....