Part 13: Dangling Tendrils, Ill-Fitting Gowns, is it Time for a Style Intervention for New Royal Duchess Meghan?

I ❤ my fans!

She is such an asshole.

I hope Kate will get pregnant again soon. In normal circumstances I would say three kids are more than enough. However, at this rate, the UK desperately needs a few more spares in order to shove Hazza and the attention whore down the line of succession.

R3 Now she has the attention she's not gonna give it bk regardless of how many children Kate has... sadly, even if they divorce, Duchess Meggy is gonna stick around like a bad smell. When Kate becomes Princess of Wales in the near future and starts taking a bigger role it's gonna be interesting to see what Meghan does to try and stay in the spotlight.

By popping out more spares, Kate would contribute in making the attention whore and her future spawn more and more irrelevant.

If Sparkle manages to get pregnant I can’t wait for the maternity wear.

R6 It's not dark enough, Black, Navy or Shit Brown only!

This is such a beautiful photo.

The photographer really captured a beautiful moment. What a lovely shot.

You're right, R8, cuz you can't see HazBean faces thank god.

Yep R8 - he’s looking at her and she’s looking away.

R10: She's looking for the camera, that's why.

She always does.

YES: she is SUCH an asshole!

I think at some point we might need a She's Such An Asshole thread.

I don't get why so much of her formal daywear belongs on a Palm Beach grandee circa 1970-something. Ill fitting crepe (because the body is so withered) and cheap sheers. What the fuck, Duchess?

[quote]Did Jessica Mulroney go to design school? Business school? Any higher education? Or is she simply a product of an ambitious marriage and Instagram?

Sometimes success is as simple as a blind eye and a taste for lavender.

[quote]travelron1985@jessicamulroney You are the best stylist for Meghan. Love her latest looks the best, the yellow dress mainly. Hope you pick more bright pattern colours soon too as she is the most stylist royal!

Jessica's funereal influence.

Such a farce.

What's with all the ass shots on JM?

Hey, dopey (aka JM), Pippa's display won't be repeated by you.

All these pictures focusing on your ass just make you look like one.

Oh, and your taste is lousy.

Have a nice day.

Maybe her husband is an. ass man.

Her husband may be an ass man, but if so, it isn't women's asses.

Even though Jessica's seems to be implanted.

R17 Ahahah. They're suited, booted and oh so posh....while living in bog standard suburbia. It looks like prom season when all the couples are heading out of middle class homes in ball gowns with rented limos at the curb.

R8 - Why does she have that bunch of asparagus on her lap?

Yes, I'm sure the choice of how to wear their hair reflects black women's choices . . . their really isn't an anguished history around this and all those magazine articles and the recent festival of ethnic hair in England to help ethnic girls love their hair and columns in the Guardian and the discussions about how lighter skinned women with straight hair who look less black getting preferences for all these years in modeling and show business jobs was just so much horseshit?

Today, things may be different and well they should be. But trying to suggest that there are no other issues around black women and their hair is ludicrous. Sparkle is 37. She's been clawing her way up in a business that is notoriously cruel and focussed on looks for the last 20 years. I doubt things were the way they are today for actresses like Viola Davis and Lupita N'yongo when Sparkle started out. No one believes her crap about how she just "feels sexier" with straight hair. She straightened her hair for the same reason she narrowed her nose: to look as un-black as possible so she would get farther professionally and socially.

As for Kate - her luxurious hair was on evident in photos of her from her teens and early uni days. And whoever on the other thread mentioned her "mannish" body - sure, those "wide shoulders" sit atop a full bosom, a tiny waist, shapely legs . . . with her slender height and small waist, Kate can wear just about anything. Diana had wide shoulders, too, and like Sparkle, no waist, and a very large nose, to boot. But she also had gorgeous skin, eyes, hair, and legs.

Among the three women, Sparkle comes off as the most manufactured. Kate really didn't have to do much and looks like a wealthier version of who she was at 18. Sparkle has been working at packaging herself for so long, I doubt she can even find the real person she once was.

And she clearly has a mutual self-merching relationship with Jessica Mulroney, and feels no loyalty whatsoever to the British taxpayers funding her newly minted lifestyle of privilege wealth and status. Her loyalty lies with Mulroney, a horrible woman, daughter of a horrible man, now using Sparkle to further her own career, and with horrible taste - which is why Sparkle can't seem to wear anything well on her little box of a body atop her awful stick legs, and her fried hair.

Harry is a fucking moron.

She may be wearing an evening gown, but her husband isn't wearing any socks.

R24 post refers to picture at R17.

JM looked normal in 2012.

Now her face looks like this.

Is she just thin? Has she had a facelift?

No plastic surgery. She's actually the missing Bogdanoff and she's just entering the final stage of maturation.

R26 She was cute there.

Irish and Scottish people have very thick hair.

I am the original SSAA Troll™️ and am quite pleased to have inspired others to recognize and call out the suitcase girl’s complete assholedom.

Are you taking interns, R32?

Jessica has fake bolt-on boobs that Victoria Beckham used to have. Her body is too thin and makes her head look giant. On look at JM's Insta page shows how horrid her fashion sense is. She's who MeAgain attached her stardom to along with Soho House's Markus Anderson. The three managed to get Meg her date with Harry at Soho house London and the rest is history.

The cook book was a great project for her.It was a success.She needs more projects like this.She's still awful and probably gross but I'm sure that the ladies in that community are pretty pleased with the outcome.

R30 and now she looks just like every other woman after too much plastic surgery . Why do they always end up having the same nose , lips ... ? It's like every surgeon is using the same blue print .

R36 That's why I don't think Meghan had a nose job. Her nose isn't her best feature, let's put it that way...in fact, her nose and her freckles take away from her beauty IMO.

She's lost a lot of weight from her teen years until now. I know my nose became more prominent after I lost baby weight.

R26 WOW.

JM looks like an entirely different person! Even her eyes look different.

How much plastic surgery has this woman had!? Eyes, nose, lips, cheeks, boobs. Her skin is constantly tan now. Her hair looks thicker these days. Hair extensions? Sheesh...

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R23, I noticed while watching some political discussions on CNN/MSNBC that the black women commentators are wearing their hair natural.

I’m not supposed to comment on black womens’ hair, but fuck it. I think it looked great. I think these serious and intelligent women are leading the way. Wonder if MM will see which way the wind is blowing and follow suit.

R38, never in a million years would I have guessed it was JM. That transformation is almost as extreme as Kylie Jenner’s!

R39 - oh, you can see the DM's journos smirking at their computers as they tap out this story - reminding people in the same breath that all MM is interested in (underneath it all) is glamour and that she's breaking the rules but for the Greater Good.

In my opinion, with the news of Jessica Mulroney's new job, it is now quite obvious that she and MeAgain had an "understanding": Mulroney (hiding behind, or in tandem with, Markus A.) guarantees Sparkle an into to Prince Harry, and if it works out, Sparkle as a (finally!) global face wears the Canadian brands Mulroney is pushing and makes it clear that she's basing her "style" on Mulroney's advice and ideas - and Mulroney gets the veneer of a Great Power in the Fashion Industry, whilst Sparkle gets the A-list status she's hungered for all her life.

I wonder if, once Mulroney is as happy with her upgrade as Sparkle is with hers, Sparkle will gently ease herself into British fashion to head off more criticism.

She was just paying her debts to Mulroney in the early days. Once she figures she's safely done with that, she'll ghost Mulroney, too, and suddenly graciously start supporting British fashion to show the plebs she really does get it.

They make Carole Middleton look like an amateur.

What a shallow stupid immature bellend is our Harry.

R23 - I agree, I think Sparkle is behind the page of history here, as (genuinely talented, as opposed to just good as self-promotion) actresses like Viola Davis wear their hair natural and these discussions become more public rather than just taking place behind the scenes in the black community, just as colourism in the community was. And I do think it looks lovely - it's much softer and at the same time more distinctive.

That said, I have also noticed that in advertising, the Meghan Markle look is being pushed: light skin, long straightened hair. Where money and commercialism are involved, of course, there are no morals and no shame.

The problem for someone like Sparkle is that she has nailed her public ID to a certain "look". Remember what happened when Diana grew her hair long and appeared with a Vera Lynn look, complete with one side pinned back with a barrette? Personally, I thought it looked fabulous on her, but I was in a minority and the negative response was so loud she cut it short nearly immediately. Too bad.

When you nail a globally recognised brand to a specific look, it's hard to change it. I wonder if increasingly louder voices on the issue will force Sparkle to reconsider?

She can always use Ye Olde "I wear it like this because my husband likes it" excuse.

All black women do not have the same hair type.

Chili crom tlc has type 2 a, tatiana ali has type 3 a or b, viola looks like a 4c.

Meghan I think is a 3b or c. She is half white so her hair texture probably isn't the same as a monoracial black woman.

I think she has destroyed whatever curl she had. I do think she looks better with straightish wavy hair though.

I don't understand the need to police women's hair. They are adults and will wear it however they want. Like most women, they will experiment and change it up from time to time.

She can't have her hair curly while married to a colonizing family. The women are supposed to have long straight hair or straight hair.

R40 Sounds more like you are trying to shame women into conforming to your ideal of what they should look like.

You seem more bothered that some black women can pull off straight hair and look good and curly hair and look just as good. You sound like the white women who get angry that a black woman can pull off blond hair. Jealous and angry.

As a former hair colorist for hire I'll let you in on a little secret, it's not your skin colour, it's your undertones that determine what looks good on you.

As for Meghan always wearing black and all those who shriek she should wear more colour...be careful what you wish for.

Colourful clothes will make her tawny skin pop and then you'll really find out what Harry saw in her.

She has the type of colouring that really can wear the reds,pinks, blues, creams and greens.

Please wear more colour, Meg! 😈

R44 - I cannot speak to that much of a nicety as to numerical types, but childhood and early youth photos of Meghan Markle make it perfectly clear that she had full-blown African textured hair. It wasn't "wavy" - it was unmistakable bona fide Afro. And when she straightened it, her entire look changed and she went from looking like a light-skinned black girl to a vaguely Mediterranean exotic type.

And when you look closely at her hairline as the new growth starts to come in, you can see the texture quite clearly. Whether it would come back fully if she stopped the straightening process, I can't say. But it certainly grows back that way, you can see it at the hairline.

R44 - In the great abstract scheme of things, you're right. But we don't grow up in cultural vacuums, and the issue of WOC and their hair has been a focus of discussion for years, and it's not conceivable that a young woman 20 years ago who wanted to get ahead in show business and move up socially would have been immune to the pressures and responded by adapting her look to them.

Today, things seem to be loosening up and women of all colours are freer to do as they like without explaining themselves. But I imagine that within the black community, there remains a certain resentment of women like Markle, who were able to leverage their light skin into advantages that darker women who didn't straighten their hair couldn't. As I mentioned in one of the earlier threads, the Guardian published a very sour column by a mixed race woman after the engagement pointing to the fact that Meghan Markle was now the "ideal" of a mixed race woman: exotic looking but not too black. What, the columnist asked, of mixed race women like me who look much more like their African parent than their white one?

Even on Celebitchy, a few black posters came forward castigating Markle for "leaning white" and talking about how much it would have meant to black women if she'd worn her hair natural and "leaned" more into her African heritage - something Meghan Markle very clearly didn't feel and rejected. She's on her second white husband, the man she dumped when she met Harry was also white, and she's ensured that her children will be overwhelmingly white and look it.

Her hair reflects her wishes for herself, who she wants to be, which to one degree or another is probably true for most women.

R47 - I completely agree - those are the colours she should be wearing, the black looks like shit on her.

If she's not dressing for her husband now, but to oblige Jessica Mulroney, than Harry should already see in her what she's really about. And if he hasn't yet, it's no skin off our noses.

He made the bed, he can sleep in it. But we'll have lots of fun dissecting the clothes.

>>Her hair reflects her wishes for herself, who she wants to be, which to one degree or another is probably true for most women.

Very profound, R49.

MM is a classic winter, so can wear all the winter colours, including black. But edgy and sophisticated as it may be, black is not a very uplifting colour, and so not a good choice for someone who wants the public to like them.

I've always thought Alfre Woodard looked fantastic in "Star Trek: First Contact" with that great hair.

And while for a white person to comment on a black person's hair can be a tricky question - but it would seem to me that caring for hair like this would be so much easier than Sparkle's constantly, annoying touching of hers.

I suppose there are some women who wear their hair long to please their husband, but Sparkle's pre-dates Harry.

R39 Didn't the press back in February argue that the reason Kate didn't wear black at the Baftas was because Black is a mourning color and it goes against royal protocol? Why are they now saying it's ok for Meghan to be wearing black all the time?

Excuse me r45? This curl was set in 1937 and hasn’t budged an iota since.

Straight, you say r45? I must’ve missed that memo.

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R55, the Queen has hair like my mom did.

It's that fluffy hair with some curl.

While I'm sure she has a bit of styling, but if I'm correct, on her days off from official events, it probably looks the same.

Meghan is not a winter. She's a deep autumn.

She does not look good in black like winters do.

Mine too. (Canadian here.). When she died we just told the funeral director to pull out any bill or coin to know what he was aiming for.

Lots of pictures of the "casual" Queen Elizabeth.

R49 Close but no cigar.

You're really trying hard and I commend you for it, but you still end up sounding like a college student who just finished their course in race studies and now think they're an expert.

You desperately want Meghan to hate herself and you'll grasp at any straw to prove your point.

Did you know, in the uk, most mixed race boys (black&white) with white mothers end up with white women as romantic partners?

This is perfectly logical to you and most people. But somehow when it comes to mixed raced girls like Meghan who have white fathers, that doesn't apply. If they don't date the rainbow, particularly black men, then they must hate themselves.

And if they dare straighten their mop of hair it means they hate who they are. Nevermind that she sometimes wears it wavy/big curls. And Nevermind that most white women do not have straight hair themselves. Asian women are the ones with the straightest hair. Perhaps one should accuse her of wanting to look asian since you say she wears hair wigs and those come from south asia.

Who knows what she'll do with it in the future. Whatever she does, it will be her choice as an individual.

Apparently I triggered the Hair Lady. You projected a whole lot of your issues onto my comment.

I think the Natural look is nice. To me, it’s like a woman letting her hair go gray instead of dyeing it. Saying “I don’t give a shit about your ideas about what a woman like me should do with my hair. I’m not here to please your sensibilities.”

I didn’t say SHIT about Meghan straightening her hair or how she feels about being mixed.

They look so happy here. Lovely.

Who cares whether she's a winter or an autumn? She's such an asshole!

Btw, let's stop pretending Hazza got lured into this marriage. This marriage is what he wanted and, as spoilt and petulant as he is, he got what he wanted in the end because the BRF couldn't be arsed to cope with a grumpy, rebellious and therefore unmanagable Harry. Plus, he's sixth in line to the throne these days, so he's pretty much irrelevant when it comes to the line of succession. That's why he got away with what he insisted on (marrying the attention whore, that is).

R64 That's their best pic.And I say that as a non-fan.(not a hater either.)

The should never be shot in profile.

And I should know.

Disagree completely, R65! It wasn't that the BRF 'couldn't be arsed'. They know they are one step away from the departure lounge, as the public seems to begrudge them every mouthful they eat. They knew MM was a disaster like a spreading wildfire; you could see it on their faces at the wedding. But somehow Harry had them by the balls. perhaps over the death of his mother, perhaps because of his crappy position as the younger son (primogeniture feels like a pretty outmoded concept these days; they recently changed a centuries-old rule to slot the girls in). They couldn't stop him and now it has to play itself out. Either MM will find her feet and gain acceptance as Kate has, or she and Harry will split up, or he will resign his position in the RF.

Hey R68, read again:

>>as spoilt and petulant as he is, he got what he wanted in the end because the BRF couldn't be arsed to cope with a grumpy, rebellious and therefore unmanagable Harry<<

I don't see it R64. I mean it's a generic shot of a couple looking at one another but there is nothing remarkable or charismatic about it. You just make up shit like some frau cobbling together a keepsake scrapbook. Lemme guess, bet you get thunderstruck by paintings of sad clowns on black velvet.

"Couldn't be arsed"=couldn't be bothered, no? They just couldn't stop him, or they would have.

If I'm not mistaken,as sixth in line he didn't need the queen's approval or permission.So it's prince Louis' fault.Great timing Kate!

R63 You did trigger the Hair Lady. Geesh. Surprised they didn't fill up the whole thread with photos. Of course they neglected the fact that those waves and curls are very different from MM's natural hair. But oh well.

Queenie gave her permission - because she likes the spoilt brat aka Henry of Wales. He also asked her to get him the Dukedom of Sussex.

Not his fault he's her favourite grandchild.

By the time Queenie was asked to give her permission, Prince Louis wasn't born yet. Of course Kate was already pregnant back then, but as long as a royal kid isn't born, it's not getting any recognition in the line of succession.

R70 Triggered much? It's a beautiful shot because they look genuinely happy.

Palate cleanser

R77, go fuck yourself with a MeAgain blow-up doll wearing a strap-on.

"Harry, don't forget to wave to our fans"

R79 Don't give the sugars ideas. Next DM headline: Duchess of Sussex sex doll is the biggest selling sex doll of all time.

She never fails to disappoint when it comes to show off her smug facial expressions.

You want smug? Here's something for you to really hate on.

Get a room...

He looks so happy 😍

Aww...

Diana's ring looks so good on her, btw.

The colour just pops against her beautiful tawny skin. They look so young and in love.

Spot on on the scrapbook comment. Someone rubs themselves raw on their multitude of photo albums of the Hazbeans.

I still can't believe how awful the wedding dress was.

It's just a terrible and sloppy copy of Crown Princess Victoria's wedding dress which was just lovely.

And don't get me started on the tacky, five-miles-long (and therefore Diana-like) veil.

Given what we had all been told that wedding dress cost, I was expecting more. Much more. They was robbed.

It was a cheap looking wedding dress for all its purported cost, and it hung on Sparkle like a heavy flour sack. Kind of a laughing stock when comments like "concrete" and "should have done another fitting" resounded across all media.

A friend of mine is into designing and tailoring wedding dresses. She told me Markle's wedding dress was a sheer disappointment. She said something along the line of "you can make such a dress in less than two days without making it look tacky - but now look at Meghan Markle's mess of a dress". Kate's dress, in contrast, was stunning as it looked rather simple, but there were lots of fine details in it. With Kate's dress, she mentioned the exquisite needlework.

Yeah, a lot of people were saying an emphatic NO to the dress that day and thereafter. It's an embarrassing indictment when you think about it. A person's wedding day, especially on such a grand scale, is supposed to be a bride's most captivating and pivotal moment. And here you have ms. tawny tig who fancies herself some aspirational stylista--and she wears that.

I thought the inane-comment photo troll only posted in threads involving shirtless men cuddling, playing with puppies, or presenting baked goods.

R94, Smughan has the remarkable knack of making expensive clothing look cheap. I have not seen her wear anything that looks sumptuous or luxe or fine. Her clothing is ill-fitting, poorly draped and either too large or too tight. The buttons look plastic, the leather looks PVC, the fabric looks synthetic - and too sheer or too thick.

It’s remarkable.

And let's not forget the tacky veil.

Having the symbolic flowers of all the Commonwealth countries embroidered on your wedding veil when the future Queen (Kate, that is) had only the symbolic plants of England, Wales, Scotland and (Northern) Ireland on her dress is just downright pretentious.

R98, it's pretty reMARKLable indeed.

>> A person's wedding day [...] is supposed to be a bride's most captivating and pivotal moment.<<

Let's face it, it wasn't her first wedding day.

I find Meghan's fashion missteps endearing.

R101, Is that why the day's note fell so... flat? I thought third was supposed to be the charm? Or are we not counting the first since that was annulled? Does that mean then the next is the third and will be the charm (when in actuality it really is the fourth depending upon criteria...) . Whatever the case, her big moment is best explained in the stony faces of the members of the BRF in attendance, to very much include Lilibet's and Phil's.

Was she really married twice before Harry? I've never heard definitive proof either way.

I thought it showed a lack of class for people to comment negatively on the wedding dress.

The cackling hyenas egging them on and shouting about 'fitting' when they knew how stressful the months leading up to the wedding day had been with envious and bitter relatives.

No thought or empathy at all to her losing weight from stress from envious female journalists/media and asshole commentators bitter that harry didn't marry some broad backed, hard faced, "english rose".

By the way, I never liked Kate's dress with the cone boobs. The dress looked overworked and emphasised her wide shoulders and bony chest. Tried but failed to look like princess grace.

Hair wasn't good styled in that mullet thing, tiara disappointing, and make up horrid. Looked like clown makeup. When will she realize she doesn't have dianas colouring. Stop with the pink bright blush. Kate actually has warm undertones and a sallowness to her skin. like her mum and sister hence why they keep tanning because if they leave it as is they look pale yellow and sickly.

William looked bored and like he wanted to be literally anywhere else.

Over all, underwhelming.

I don't suppose Nutmeg has the grace to be appreciatively mortified that she has gone down in the annals of royal wedding history as a glaring fashion don't.

R57 - Yes, that's the one. I thought it was really classic and looked wonderful on her, but de gustibus and all that.

Re the black clothes, the issue that Sparkle either hasn't figured out or if she has doesn't give a fuck, is that for royals black has extra significance. When all the royal ladies gather on the balcony overlooking the Cenotaph on Remembrance Day wearing red poppies in their black clothes, the colour means something. If Sparkle wears it all the time, on her it loses all its symbolism. If a foreign head of state, say, Queen Margrethe of Denmark, dies and Harry and Sparkle are sent to represent the family at the funeral, wearing black clothes, on Sparkle it will be meaningless.

She just doesn't get it any more than she gets the inappropriateness of supporting her bestie's career ambitions instead of the British fashion industry. She just doesn't give a fuck, and her charity work will be just a nice cover for her self-indulgence and bottomless narcissism.

And the BRF totally deserve the two fingers she's putting up to them now that the ring is safely on her finger, because they should have seen through her just as they should have seen through Diana, and told Harry to resign his place in the line of succession and head off to Toronto to be with his grifter inamorata.

The photo at R84 is a perfect case in point of a wedding dress draped like finely woven burlap.

"So young and in love" - she was pushing 37 and he was 33. They were hardly Romeo and Juliet, son.

And she doesn't look so much in love as like the proverbial cat with yellow feathers sticking out of either side of her mouth.

As for Diana's ring - it sets off what - the tawny skin of her fingers? And, it's too big for her hand. It looked much better on Diana.

And - she hasn't worn it once since.

The sugar's back at R105 ... or is it MeAgain?

If so: How about getting pregnant? The clock is ticking ...

Meghan looks younger than Kate did on her wedding day.

Harry looks older than Meghan. Hell, they all do which is why I find it so funny when people act like she is a cradle snatcher lol, just doesn't work visually. You'll have to find some other insult.

You're totally deluded, R111. I guess there's just far too much sugar in your bloodstream.

R112

R111 is fixating on an increasingly elusive sugar rush.

R113, that's all you can come up with?

Well, on some good news...Kate's maternity leave is ending so I'm sure you guys will be too busy stanning for the future queenie instead of bullying meg!

😏

Jokes aside...where is louis? How come we never see him?

FFS, he's a baby.

PSA: The Hair Frau, wishing, hoping & praying that she was Nutmeg in the flesh and could have Dim all to herself, has graced us with 26 posts this aft including her hope chest scrapbook pics. Well beyond a sugar rush, she's even rocketed past manic. Though R116 has the clarity of a few Xanax.

The "Ignore" button cleans up the thread quite nicely and makes it actually readable. *poof* ...out of my hair.

R118 Hmm...I suppose I could hide behind different IPs pretending to be different people like the hair and race obsessed frauhag (that would be you) but I prefer being my authentic self.

Riddle me this, I'm the "nut" but what makes more sense. A fan commenting on their "fav" or someone who hate their guts and spend every day spewing crap about them? Why are you even here if you dislike the woman? Why not go to tumblr where your ilk hang out? Or are 15 hate sites not enough for you?

Creep.

MM's wedding dress wasn't that interesting at all, but in the official wedding photos her face really stood out. I think that is what she was going for. She wanted a dress that did not compete with her face. I really believe this. No lace or anything that would distract from her face. She and her dress looked lovely in those photos.

Also, MM was desperate to affect a modest look. She was a 36 year old divorcee marrying a British Prince and she wanted to look youthful and modest. She probably figured that a simple dress would make her look less seasoned. It didn't work.

MM has a hard to dress body type so I cut her some slack. I don't expect her clothes to have a perfect fit because most clothes are cut for women who have hips that are wider than their waist. MM is very slim hipped which can make her look broad in the stomach area.

She has been looking much better lately. Although, anything is a step up from that Wimbledon outfit.

Maybe the hair obsessed frauhag should tell nicole kidman to stop straightening her hair.

Embrace your heritage, nicole! She must hate herself.

I actually think she looks cute with curls and makes women look younger.

Taylor swifts curls were so cute, now her hair looks like mousy grey straw.

Yo R119. If you want an echo chamber of your narrow worldview, hie thee to Celebitchy and you'll find your bliss among the shrill like-minded fraus.

Sad you never see her with her natural hair anymore. Always straight.

I could go on but i won't

...i lied.

Look how pretty julia is here. Ok I'll stop now.

[quote] I don't understand the need to police women's hair. They are adults and will wear it however they want. Like most women, they will experiment and change it up from time to time.

You've taken a wrong turn somewhere on the internet. This is the Datalounge, Gay Gossip, Politics and Pointless Bitchery. If you wish to scold people for how hey talk about women's hair, don't do it here. Your thing is not our thing.

R127 You're not a gay man.

But I'll leave you to it. Bye for now.

I'm making a citizen's hairrest.

The photo at r84 is OOOF! I forgot how bad it was. And dangling tendrils aside, she looked pretty.

There. That was my “something nice”.

R121 - Nicole Kidman's decades of hair straightening have done to her hair exactly what Meghan's years of doing it have done to hers. Actors have myriad reasons for repackaging themselves, but to assert that a young mixed race ferocious wannabe A-Lister was just expressing herself 20 years ago as she went into the biz is moronic.

Since you ask why those of us who think Meghan Markle is a first class grifter are here: we're having fun. And you can pretend to yourself that we're all just one person all you like - painful as it is, truth obliges us to inform you that lots of people think she's a grabby climber who wouldn't have looked at that dim bulb without the HRH in front of his name and Windsor after it.

Kate looked gorgeous on her wedding day and her dress was stunning. Even the fraus on Celebitchy were disappointed in Sparkle's lacklustre wedding dress. Sparkle herself looked decently pretty, no more.

To repeat the answer to your question - if we hate Sparkle, why are we here - because we're having fun. It's a bitchfest or did you miss that when you logged in?

If you're not having fun, head off to Celebitchhy. You'll love it there.

This thread is a pleasant distraction from the shitty news. So I like it.

Seriously, on a site that has pointless bitchery written on the front page, why is the Sparkle sugar whining so much?

R105 - Nice try but you're overegging the pudding.

We've actually seen Kate's tits and they're quite nice. As are her legs. As is her tiny waist.

Meghan would kill for Kate's legs and waist. In fact, she'd drop a house on Kate in a heartbeat if those legs would suddenly appear under Meghan.

R133 - You have no idea how obsessed these Sparkle acolytes are.

The joke of it is, if she were (all) white, these same worshippers would be ripping her style to shreds.

They're here to convert us, dontcha know, until we see the error of our ways and turn DL into a House of Worship of Her Royal Waistlessness.

R62 - I assume you're the same cunty frau piously defending Meghan and assuming we want her to hate herself, policing her hair, etc., etc., ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

I don't give a flying fuck how she feels about herself. This is a gossip site, you pious handwringing frau. And by the way, I know it's tough for your infantile level of development to countenance, but a variety of attitudes can coexist in the same space. Like, hair insecurity sucks for women and yeah it's fairly clear that there isn't anything this particular mixed race woman wouldn't have done to further her career, including trying to look less black.

Hey - she's the one with the nose job and she's the one who straightened her hair, and she's the one who only marries and dates white . . .

If you want to discuss Meghan hating herself so badly, take it up with her. She's the one giving the hand signals here. We're just stating the obvious.

To be honest, on the day of her wedding to Harry, I had high hopes for her, that she would learn how to behave like a proper duchess, that she would adapt to Royal protocol, etc. There have been other American-born duchesses in the past (like Winston Churchill's mother). But, increasingly, she seems to be very willfully disregarding the guidance she's been given.

I'm an American gayling, who is well aware of the significance of black clothing to the BRF. I know that supporting British designers is important: heck, the Queen herself made an appearance during London Fashion Week to support the industry. Having never met Meghan, I don't have much of a personal interest in her, but I've found myself increasingly annoyed by her. I don't really care that much about the British Royals, other than the Queen herself, who I greatly admire. So I see Meg's apparently thumbing her nose at protocol to be very disrespectful not just to the Queen, but to the British public, who actually keep the whole machine afloat.

Jesus Christ on a cracker. Why is it so hard for the fashionista Duchess of Sussex to find a fucking tailor to alter her clothes properly? An ill-fitting luxury brand defeats the entire purpose of a luxury brand and actually makes the garments look cheap. Doesn't she realize that her wardrobe on Suits looked good on her because there was a department on the show dedicated to fitting the clothes properly?

The designers and PR people from the fashion houses must be beside themselves when they see their pieces on her. I don't think they see any increase in sales of the items because DoS fans don't have the cash to splash out on multi-thousand pound garments. They can get knock-offs recommended by the DM, but does that really do the design houses any favors? (maybe it is the case; I'm not a dedicated follower of fashion marketing.) My only educated guess is that Mulroney sends her samples in her size within such a tight time frame that a tailor can't turn it around in time for an event.

BTW, when I first saw the wedding dress, I really like the simple design and the boat neck. But upon closer look, the bunching on the sleeves, the weird darting that made it seem like her nipples were protruding and it's potato sackiness were pretty awful. Yes, many brides lose weight due to stress. That's why there's a final fitting in the week or two before the wedding to make the final accommodating alterations. Duh!

She’s even more of an asshole than yesterday.

Markle isn't and wasn't trying for modesty, but the opposite. Why do you think Ms. Nips goes braless? She even puts out PR via the usual "Royal Insider" PR instructing us how to assess her fashion. For example, over the past couple of days, we've had two angles. One, she wears black so as not to outshine others, like, say, the queen. This is a classic humble brag (Meghan's specialty in all she does) since of course she's saying if she wore color, she WOULD outshine other people, like the queen. She'd attract all of the attention.

Her wedding dress was slightly off the shoulder. This, her "Royal insider" leaks have told us, is so she doesn't "forget that sexiness" in the royal wardrobe-ing. She thinks this shit is sneaky sexy. A button comes undone and there's the lace bra (merched immediately on twitter). Oh look - no bra - again. But she's small breasted, so it's tasteful, the no bra-lessness. But that sexiness must ALWAYS BE THERE. It's the sensibility of a soap opera wardrobe department. Today the royal insider explained how hot Harry finds her and how she knows just the way to keep him turned on while maintaining royal decorum, or as she prefers to say it, her "grace". It was explained that she's not much interested in clothes but came to learn she there was so much interest that she had to "step up" which she has, successfully, while balancing her sex appeal and still being faultlessly "graceful". That's what all the bare legs, no bra, collarbone and SLIGHTLY off the shoulder shit is with her. And the nude lip and over countour in the face. She thinks she's being hot, but not so that she can be ACCUSED of trying. It's just "that sexiness". The small points. The stilettos are the same thing. She's a nineties girl who still thinks stilletos, jeans, and a slouchy button down with three buttons unbuttoned and tousled hair is the ne plus ultra of scorching hot. So she's trying to duchess that way, and IMO it looks pitiful.

R138, Jason Wu's Instagram page photoshopped his blue dress that she wore to a military concert because it was so ill-fitting on her. They softened down the ruffles and loose fabric. It's pretty bad when designers have to rework pics to actually make her look good in their clothes.

Ralph Lauren didn't even post a single thing about the outfit of his she wore to Wimbledon because it looked so horrible on her. Normally designers would be thrilled and use it for publicity but not when she makes their clothes look like a joke.

Tailor, schmailor, who would pay for the tailor? She hasn't reworn any of this shit. A shoe here and there, a couple of separates like jackets and pants, but the dresses? Back they go! It's all crap, too. A couple of things looked better on the model- such as that floral bedspread she wore to some summer wedding. It was so much too large on her she was swimming in it, but when you look at it fitted on the model it's not so bad. But that Givenchy thing she wore with the velvet bib, front slit and bunching everywhere and ghastly sleeves is just that Givenchy designer sucking at what she does, not selling, and throwing her hat in the ring re tossing Meghan free shit in hopes that it will boost business.

If, as it seems more likely, she is wearing clothes she gets from fame whore JM, why is she still doing that?

She gets a clothing allowance from her father-in-law and her husband is no pauper, so why does she still wear free clothes that look bad on her?

Makes no sense.

Is it all part of payback to JM?

R143 yes. When she wore that Judith and Charles tuxedo dress to Hamilton after returning from Toronto, the brand posted the dress on Instagram and tagged Jessica Mulroney in it. Then they realized they outed her as merching for Meghan by doing so and took her name down but not before people got screengrabs of it.

Sweet Jesus! Meghan had just six appearances in September and she blew almost $30,000 on her outfits. About half the cost was for the dresses and NONE of them were by British designers. All American, Canadian and French. The other wad went to expensive high-end luxury accessories.

She really is such an asshole.

37 year old Markle looked "younger" on her wedding day than 29 year old Kate did on her wedding day?

I don't remember it like that at all.

I don't think Charles is giving her any money for clothes, and she hasn't spent shit on her clothing, it's all merching and hype. She always wants us to think her clothing costs a fortune. Maybe it's the hungry designers trying to big up their popularity - hey, a woman WOULD spend 4k on this dress. It's gonna backfire if enough people actually believe she spent 2 million on clothing in one year, but everybody knows she didn't really. Charles isn't giving her any 2 million for clothing either. Some pretend she can buy what she wants and charge it back to him but that's not how it works. There's a budget, and the wife of the sixth in line doesn't get what Prince William's wife gets. I think if Meghan were for real instead of the grifter wife of a guy who finally seems to have found his own level, she would get an allowance from Charles, and she'd have a decent royal wardrobe that was built for mileage, that would bear re-wearing, that would make sense for the job. She's not interested in that, she wants to be shinier, bigger, brighter, so she's playing a game with free merchandise, pretending it's the RF spending on her because she's oh so important. Even the Go Fug Yourself girls, who worship MM's ass, flat out said they are positive she gets major freebies and discounts because the merchants like the publicity, and GOOD FOR HER. They are apparently ignorant that it's technically against the rules. I don't think the RF gives a shit because I don't believe they consider Beano a real royal. That's the other piece of her PR every other second. "I'm a real royal!" "I'm a princess of the realm just like Kate!" Well, she's not. No matter what titles convention and HM throw at her, she's not - she's just not pulling it off.

One thing I don't get about MM and the whole clothes issue. If you were in a new job, and you were getting a ton of explicit feedback on your poor performance, wouldn't you try to clean your act up asap? I have no doubt that MM and PH read what is written about them. They described their Cotswold place as their 'safe haven'; presumably where they are safe from prying eyes. Nobody, unless they are fighting for a cause in which they passionately believe, likes public opprobrium. Yet MM seems to dig herself in ever deeper. All she'd have to do is go into an upscale women's boutique, or even a high street shop, for that matter, and tell the staff what she is looking for for a particular event, showing a photo of similar past events. It's not rocket science.

R145 Add another 10K to that total.

Re the bottom right pic of the collage, the article below breaks down the cost of the individual pieces of that outfit -

Givenchy dress $3300 & clutch $1990 , and Aquazzura heels $750 + the (merched) $12K Birks (again) earrings = $18K

Is there no jewelry in the "royal vault", which would be of infinitely better quality, that she can wear? Or are they afraid that they'll get 'lost'.

These were the sling back shoes that showed off her dry cracked heels, pictured near the end of Part 12 iirc, and together with that bow on the back emphasized her Size 9 /39 feet. Hosiery would have hidden both of those issues.

Overall, a less than flattering and appropriate look (crotch high slit dress) at a ridiculous total price. Is it all merched and returned?

What's for certain is that she never fails to bring her "sexy Hollywood red carpet" to a formal outing. It's her mission to not fit in and observe royal protocol.

I wonder if Haz is enjoying all of her feather ruffling since he's been the royal rebel up until now. The big difference is that he was liked by the British people, and she is most definitely not. I think he's losing his shine with her antics which he didn't count on happening. He had said in an interview, well before he married Nutmeg, that he has about 10 years to make a name for himself before the spotlight shifts. So the Spare is paddling as fast as he can... but just where is he headed?

I don't like her but I don't get the "sexy Hollywood" thing she's accused of.Most European royals have worn off the shoulder,strapless,above the knee dresses.And they all looked more glamorous than Meghan.

R150, I think once people have the knives out for you, you can't do right for doing wrong. None of MM's wardrobe choices would have been considered unforgivable had she won the public over. Same with the York girls. Harry got away with murder.

[quote]There's a budget, and the wife of the sixth in line doesn't get what Prince William's wife gets.

I'm going to argue that theory on the basis there are two Courts.... The Queen and the Prince of Wales. (Although maybe there are four... with William and Harry doing their own thing against or in spite of their father.) Charles sees his sons as part of his Court, which is only to say there Harry and Meaghan aren't so far down the line... or devalued as so far down the line. There he's the Prince of Wales son. (And even if you emphasize six in the line, three of them are children who need to grow up and be raised and educated.)

It's all along way of saying Prince Charles is apparently pretty indulgent... I doubt there's much distinction between who gets what within whatever budget there is. Harry and Meagain are supposed to be winding up in as big an apartment at KP as William and Kate have, or at least one very close in size.

What I note is she seems to be getting very little value for her money. She's wearing wildly expensive clothes badly, from designers that are generally unhelpful for promoting British, and runs around kissing and hugging people at engagements in a way no other royal does. Each year the royal accounts are released and scrutinized by media because it's a fun story with which to twist the knife. She isn't helping at all. Which to me says she hasn't got a clue about the big picture or a strategic bone in her body. She thinks she's a rich lady, not a member of the royal family. She is clueless and probably always will be.

She grew up in another country and a very different culture within in (LA and entertainment isn't even sturdy farm country in Pennsylvania, in terms of values and frame of reference.) She's not equipped to decode the culture of royalty or even the remnants of aristocracy that exists around them. She understands Soho Houses. So she runs around in bad clothes, bad shoes, with bad hair, kissing and hugging and closing her own doors. The question remains whether she is accepted for who she is, as she is, or not. I don't favour her odds but you never know. It won't take long for the die to be cast.

Never thought about it before, but if Meghan is 'Borrowing' and returning the clothes then she isn't technically breaking the 'Freebie' rules of the Royal family. Plenty of Designer dress hire shops in London also, possibly why nothing 'fits'.

I think that the Australasia tour might be when we see clothes that she has purchased, there is a healthy clothing budget (£100 thousand+) from The Foreign Office for overseas Royal visits.

The borrowing and returning might explain why she hasnt had things altered to fit except it doesnt make sense for her to promote a designer in a badly fitted outfit. Have it altered and eat the cost of the dress. When it's returned, hang it in a special closet and show it to your most favored clients.

I think the wearing black and no stockings "rule-breaking" is a continuation of Diana's efforts to modernize the monarchy. That's how it was sold to Harry who is probably clueless about the clothing norms anyway. Diana=hugging AIDS patients. MM=wearing black.

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R155 lol Sam is the physical representation for all scorned harry fanfraus hiding behind a screen living through Sam and egging her on.

That's what most of them look like. Middle aged to old. Average to unattractive.

Frumpy and fug.

Some of them even a cripple like Sam.

She looks unhinged per usual. Does she not realize how embarrassing and desperate she looks? The envious and jealous cripple old half sister and clearly too dumb for her own good.

And how the hell does sixty something Doria look younger than her!?

That dress is 18,000 dollars. My goodness I have a top with the exact same design years ago from a dress for less boutique for 10.00 dollars. I need to get Meghan on the low budget nice outfit trend. She looks better but underwhelming based on the ridiculous price tag of the outfit.

A 'showdown' with her and security who will escort her unhinged crippled ass out of there.

R155 Sam doesn't give two shits about her dad, she's only in London coz she thinks they'll be extra press attention to grab in the week leading up to Eugenie's wedding. What are the odds she'll be outside either Kensington Palace or Windsor Castle with a megaphone screaming Meghan's name at some point during the next week.

Fuck off with your “cripple” hatred terminology. She is definitely unhinged but in this day and age do you REALLY need to be told cripple is as offensive as faggot or nigger? Fuck you.

Try the ignore button and wow! --all the Sam invectives, the hair frau nonsense, the unyielding photos of the HazBeans being so "in love," the over the top defense of Sparkle, the derogatory comments about Kate... those posts all VANISH.

Unhinged is definitely the word for this particular poster.

Beatrice attended an event involving kids a few days ago,wearing an ugly black top&skirt,an ill fitting brownish coat and the ugliest shoes in the world.Is it contagious?Does Beatrice look up to Megs?

R160 After all the sexist, racist and homophobic comments and images in these threads, CRIPPLE is the hill you choose to die on? No, fuck YOU.

R161 I thought you said you were going to ignore me from now on.

Deleting your cookies and changing IP does not fool me, frauhag.

R162 it appears to be the same outfit, very odd.

Who wore it first?

For the record R164, that wasn't me you neurotic cunt. Best to look over your shoulder for those men in white coats.

R167 Oh that was you. Who do you think you're fooling? You're like a dog chasing its tail.

Keep changing browsers and devices you desperate, stalking, old bitter hag.

Bye bye now.

Don’t look now r163 but your persecution complex is showing. The ridicule aimed at Sparkle is not because she’s slightly coffee colored it’s because she’s a grabby social climber with terrible dress sense. There has been nothing homophobic here about her but you choose to use nasty language of cripple to describe a person with MS. You’re a shitty human being.

Now now, you two! You're both crippled sugaring racists. No need to hog up the thread tying to prove who's the best at it.

Oh dear r170, the weather me thing I am most definitely NOT is a sugar. How dare you!?

Jesus, I think we can have a little fun and not be politically correct here....you may think you’re noble by judging from your soapbox, but it’s rude to crash a party you weren’t invited to and try to dictate behavior. Thanks for stopping by and visiting, but this is not the place for you. Just go, shhhh, not another word. find a party you like and can fit in. We at DL are not for mass consumption, so what...we’re special! an acquired taste for a sophisticated palate...off with you, you’re a downer

R172 Thank you! If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen!

R169 There are none as blind as those who choose not to see. You're just like Samantha, "About she? Weehee! About me? How dare thee!". Perhaps I shouldn't have used the c word....maybe a passive aggressive unflattering image or gif of a disabled person would have been more appropriate. Or a thinly veiled ableist comment.

And there have been plenty of homophobic comments. Doria being a "bulldyke" because she's not gurgling cock infront of the paps and she has a nose piercing!, harry being an "effeminite" because he let his wife greet someone first. I don't care personally, it's the hypocrisy and double standards I can't stand.

With that said, I'm off back into the shadows and will be lurking from afar. Toodles!

All this time I thought the rabid Meghan haters were from Lipstick Alley due to the silly "sugars" thing. Why would anyone get so wound up over a person they don't know?

R174 - Dislike and interest do not equal hate. Get your hyperbole under control, will you? Those of us enjoyed the gossip here really don't get out of bed every morning thinking about Meghan Markle. As for LSA, checking in there is quite instructive - lots of the sistahs posting there don't have a "positive view" of her any more than dozens of DLers do.

If any group sees Meghan Markle for exactly who she is and what use she's made of her light skin, straightened hair, narrowed nose, the two white husbands and boyfriends and social contacts (Jessica Mulroney, Markus Adams) who helped position her get to the top, it's the LSA posters, who have since the story broke been discussing the colourism issue, her hair, her rejection of most of her African heritage except for her mother, the total absence of any presence of the black side of her family, the circle of white besties except for Very Famous Ones like Serena Williams . . .

The LSA posters tend to split two ways: You Go Girl For Breaching The Fortress of Whiteness And Ah'm A Needin' An ID On Those Shoes, and We See You, You Want To Be Black Like You Want To Fall Our A Tenth Story Window.

LSA in its way is as No Holds Barred as DL.

The sugars moaning about how badly Poor Little Black Meghan is being treated on DL really need to head off to more worshipful territory.

We don't owe Meghan Markle a damned thing.

How can someone who is NOT black be black? She is biracial with a white father and a black mother. Get over it.

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R176 - Except that that "half-black" DNA canonises her in the eyes of those who insist that as a WOC any criticism or dislike of her is rooted in racism. Those calling everyone "racist" who jeer at her style, motivation for marrying Harry, her insistence on supporting the career ambitions of her patroness, Jessica Mulroney, rather than the fashion industry of the country that has given her her A-list status, royal title, privilege, etc., are the ones looking at the glass half-black, as it were. Only when one of us calls their bluff and points out that if she weren't "half-black" they too would be ripping her style and character to pieces do they suddenly point out that she isn't "actually" black.

You lot calling us all racists are the ones using her black DNA as a source of vicitimisation.

In my opinion, she was barely recognisable as half-black when the news first broke. But any criticism of her is attached to her black DNA. So, you set the fence around her based on her black DNA, you take the consequences.

I cannot imagine anyone spending a few hours watching Pss. Eugenie get married. All Prince Andrew has done here is set his daughter up for further embarrassment when the ratings are even lower than those for the Sussex wedding.

Meanwhile, the Express carries an article this morning that the full cost of the Sussex wedding "dwarfed" that for the Cambridge wedding.

My guess is the Queen will go for bright blue or purple for Eugenie's wedding, Fergie will go for purple or bright blue (if the Queen doesn't and she'll be smart enough to clear that first), and that Sparkle will depart from her habitual neutrals and show up in a blaze of autumnal yellow or orange so she can upstage everyone.

R180 Jesus, mary and her mother....you are truly obsessed! The only one who keeps bringing up race here is you!

As soon as we all move on, there you are again bringing up the woman's bloody race. Can you let it go? I was curious so I just visited lipstick alley and they call her biracial or mixed. Not one referred to her as black.

If they can respect both her mothers and her fathers DNA. Why can't you? I'm sick of your snide little remarks about race. You keep projecting your own self loathing on to Meghan. You keep insisting the only reason anyone likes her, particularly anyone black, is because she is half black.

You really are an asshole and a racist cunt.

Moving ON...

Right, a purple outfit with carrot-coloured hair...always tasteful and appropriate. I'm going with blue. Fergie never wears it, but I'd love to see her in watermelon pink.

I think some of the Sparkle hate is blow back from the Kate hate . There are some unhinged people on tumblr and twitter and (celebitchy of course) for whom Kate is the devil and could never do anything right . she was either too camera hungry or not working enough with the press , too frumpy or too much of an attention seeking flasher , had her hands too much in her hair or ugly updos . Wore black outside of funerals and heels too high ... And then came Meghan and those people started to glorify her into sainthood only now they have to come up with excuses why Meghan's black outfits are not really black outfits and the list goes on on that . So every time Meghan does something now that nutters have thrown bile on Kate for years Meghan gets hate from a combination of Harryholics who would have loathed any woman with him because he's not with them and extreme Kate fans who point out the hypocrisy of the Meghan worshippers .

I think Kate is seen as more legitimate than MM, as in, if she hadn't married William, she'd have married a well-connected wealthy guy, maybe an aristo. Given that the stories about MM, eg, that she casting couched and yachted, very likely are true, she is seen as a fraud who has no right to be where she is, no matter how Harry may feel about her.

The thing about Kate is she gets her role and she's kept her mouth shut. MM has made it too plain too soon she's got a lot to say. And that's really not the role. That's when they get in trouble. The successful royals show up, look interested, encourage, compliment, query and go home.

R184 You'd be surprised to know a lot of those who loathe Meghan are the same ones who used to say absolutely vile things about Kate. You name it, they said it.

Kannot, Common Kate, exhibitionist, Council Kate, Kate the clown (due to her makeup choices), short legged, long waisted, man shouldered, Grinch. Accusing her of wearing a wig, Ms Wiglet, Waity Katie, jowles and saggy face and "what does Will see in her", wisteria sisters, her too short skirts with no weights in the hems, her not wearing underwear or a thong.

Even some anti semitic comments due to her maternal sides surname.

They even hoped the wedding wouldn't take place. Said because a horse took off it was a "bad omen" and that Will struggled with the ring it meant it wasn't meant to be. Accused the Queen of mouthing "it will all end in tears". Said the wedding looked depressing and ugly with the trees and that william didn't look happy...all the things they said about harry and meghans wedding, they said about will and Kate's.

They accused kate of being a former yacht girl and her whole family desperate social climbers. The list goes on. They now love Kate, of course. How quickly we forget.

My view of Kate is that William knew her for a long time before they married so there was ample time to walk away and find someone else.

William knew Kate much, much, much longer than Harry knew Sparkle.

And Kate kept her mouth shut during that time.

While during the leadup to coupling with Harry, Sparkle was attacking the press, pushing herself in with that Vanity Fair thing, as well as the "I'm in danger" shit she made up and fed to Harry.

The topper on the cake for me was the $75.000 evening gown Sparkle wore for those engagement photos.

That told anyone who chose to see exactly who and what she was.

And even after months of seeing her wearing non-British clothes, some people still claim she was not informed of the reason she should patronize the designers of the country that is paying for her keep. Some people refuse to admit that she knows full well what is expected and just does not care.

Whatever comes her way from the RF due to her own persistent wrong headed behavior is completely due to her own stubborn stupidity.

You don't marry into royal families unless you love the attention,wealth and status.Mary and Letizia quit their careers to have those titles.Kate,Meghan and Sofia didn't have careers so they didn't have to give up much,except their freedom.

Good lord, this thread has become such a tedious exercise with all of the interlopers and ensuing debates about why Markle is .

I wonder what DLers would think of straight posters on a forum dedicated to handicapped or disabled people using "faggot" to deride someone they dislike or disagree with whether they're gay or not?

189 Neither Mary or Letizia gave up promising "careers". Mary was in sales, then real estate, and then did work from Microsoft in Denmark, which Frederick secured for her so she could be closer to him). And I don't think any of her roles were very high up. Letizia was the tv journalist equivalent of Markle, very C list. Both were pleased as the proverbial to give up their working lives.

Occasionally, people do marry into royal families for something other than attention, at least: I'll grant Kate, the pawn of a ferociously ambitions Mum, did as she was told, but I don't think she's an attention seeker at all; I think fulfilling her Mum's dream of top of the social pyramid was more the driving factor. I don't think Kate gave a damn about the cameras but was fully aware of the status and position for her and her descendants. And she had no other ambitions beyond marrying William, whom I think she really loes.

As for Mary - she had a respectable career and a respectable education but wanted a bigger life, and I think Letizia was the same. Mary and Frederik dated for THREE years, including a year living in Denmark, before his mother was satisfied Mary could do the job and gave her permission.

The rush job between Haz and Bean was a quite different thing. Sparkle sure had a career: one decent acting job after 20 years of desperate clawing, and her first husband got her that. At 35, she knew she was aging out of ingenue status rapidly, knew her "talent" wasn't going to take her any further, so she wasn't giving up anything and she knew it.

Kate as well as Diana was shredded by the tabs who, as I have said, keep their readers interested by building up and tearing down. Stasis is not an option. And Sparkle, with her inappropriate clothes with foreign luxury labels and huge price tags, is just what the doctor ordered.

No, I'm not obsessed with race. However, those who insist that because Sparkle is half black anyone who points out that she herself was keenly aware of her racial profile and how to play it and how much to play it IS ipso facto, a racist are the people with an obsession. It's quite obvious Sparkle "leans white". Is she entitled to do so? Sure. Is she entitled to have people pretend she doesn't? No. It's the naked use of identity politics that bugs me.

Christ, that psycho who runs Celebitchy and who thinks Meghan Markle was handed down to the BRF from Mount Ararat suggested that Kate Middleton "passively aggressively" wore to the Sussex wedding an outfit of so pale a yellow that it would photograph as white and therefore upstage the fucking bride.

The fact that Kate had had an eight and a half pound baby three weeks earlier and might not have had that many options that fit, and everyone else in the world saw it was pale yellow and perfectly appropriate for a mid-May wedding, makes no odds with Kaiser.

Poster upthread is correct: Kate kept her mouth shut for 8 years, Mary Donaldson kept her mouth shut for three years, Letizia kept her mouth shut for a year . . . only Meghan Markle shot her mouth off about her relationship before an engagement was announced and also stirred the shitpot with the British press . . . They've all got more class than she does and they mostly dress better, too. And all of them support their country's fashion industries. Only Meghan Markle refuses to do so.

Back to the issue at hand: what are thoughts on Sparkle suddenly turning up in, as I suggested, autumnal deep orange and a huge hat to deflect attention from the bride?

Harry isn't a groomsman, is he, by the way? Given he's close to Yuge and his Aunt Sally?

*really LOVES

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[quote]Letizia was the tv journalist equivalent of Markle, very C list.

Um, not quite.

[quote] After completing her masters degree, she travelled to Guadalajara, Mexico, working at the newspaper Siglo 21 and was working on her PhD; however, she didn't complete her doctoral thesis because she returned to Spain.[19] After returning to Spain, she worked for the Spanish version of the economic channel Bloomberg before moving to the news network CNN+.[18]

[quote]In 2000, she moved to TVE, where she started working for the news channel 24 Horas. In 2002, she anchored the weekly news report programme Informe Semanal and later the daily morning news programme Telediario Matinal on TVE 1.[17][18] In August 2003, a few months before her engagement to Felipe, Letizia was promoted to anchor of the TVE daily evening news programme Telediario 2, the most viewed newscast in Spain.[20]

[quote]In 2000, Letizia reported from Washington, D.C., on the presidential elections. In September 2001, she broadcast live from Ground Zero following the 9/11 attacks in New York and in 2003, she filed reports from Iraq following the war.[1] In 2002 she sent several reports from Galicia in northern Spain following the ecological disaster when the oil tanker Prestige sank.[21]

I hope she wears autumnal orange to the York wedding. That would be delicious.

Letizia is gorgeous and classy. Sparkle is anything but.

I think she’ll go with a fall theme.

Following the great hair debate, I believe a big part of Megain's sartorial problem is she's trying to have hair and a hairstyle that her genetics don't want to her to have. Looking at her mother, you've got to assume her hair is naturally curly and dense.

There's really no way to cover the social climbing. I don't think she's bright enough.

R198 Her hair looks fine. Give it a rest, you just end up sounding jealous.

She's not bright enough to social climb yet she managed to marry the most coveted bachelor in the world. A popular prince.

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As for Huge's wedding....I think Meghan will go with navy blue or some type of blue or forrest green.

She's a deep autumn so these colours, along with cream and ivory, look great on her.

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R200 that costume is available EVERYWHERE, you sound like the unhinged “psychic” who complained about it who says she still talks to Diana.

Still TROLLING: R199 R200 R201 R202

Same HairFrauTroll who's been posting 40+ incendiary flamebaits since Friday. Multiple screens/Multiple personalities = Sybil, the jealous old brown cow. Don't feed it - it's rabid.

FF & Ignore - it'll be put of of its misery.

R203 So? It's still tacky.

Very tasteless of them to cash in (yet again) on the royals.

R204 What are you on about? You sound deranged.

Go away, troll.

Maybe Meghan will wear something like this to Huge's wedding?

Or this

Definitely don't want to upstage the bride.

I can stand trolling. I can stand psychos. But forrest green? I can't stand illiteracy.

[quote]Her hair looks fine. Give it a rest, you just end up sounding jealous.

Spoken like a true interloper. Do you know how ridiculous and immature, a foot-stamping mean girl rejoinder looks on DataLounge, a gay site where one frequently finds posts of males of varying attractiveness (from porn stars or attractive actors to Joes off the street) that are critiqued for their appearance? Negative assessments are never met with "YOU'RE JUST JEALOUS!" Please take your immaturity back to whichever Duchess of Sussex cunt-licking site you came from.

Why exactly would a gay man become jealous of a woman with problem hair?

One of Megain's problems in the cyberworld is her defenders and how they defend.

R213 - Despite her turbo posting, I suspect R199 hasn't a clue where she is.

MeGhAnS hAiR HurrDurrDurr ad nauseam

So I un-ignored to check something out and lo come to find this crazy troll cunt pretends to be other "DL posters" stepping in to defend her neurotic rants. Bless your heart dear, we almost feel sorry for your lonely friendless soul... but we don't.

R217 Oh, dear. Off your meds again?

What are you on about? I have never pretended to be someone else to "defend myself".

I'm trying to annoy you so you'll fuck off back to tumblr and stop ruining this site but you don't seem to get the hint.

Kindly go away frauhag...shoo...shoo! This place isn't for your kind.

Next time I'll post dick pics and men fucking each other in the ass.

R194 My Spanish cousins, all in their 20 and 30s in the early 2000s, had never heard of her before the engagement. The theory from one cousin is that Felipe and the family wanted her to be seen as a serious, career woman to draw attention away from her divorce and because Felipe had previously dated a swimwear model and their engagement (never announced but the rumour is Felipe asked permission of his father) had been poo-pooed by the king because the Spanish public didn't want their prince marrying a model. So they gave Letizia's CV a spit and shine. She was made the temporary anchor of Telediario and everyone and their madre thinks it was done at the request of the Zarzuela.

Felipe dated that bimbo who used to talk to the press about what they did in a hotel room.

^ what did she say?

R217. Nothing further needs to be said. All any poster has to do is ignore you and your verbal diarrhea disappears, unlike what you keep saying you'll do, then don't.

R222 meant for R218

R220, what did she tell?

R220 Never heard about this. Do tell. My cousins say that Felipe really loved her and tried his best to "sell her" to the Spanish public and to his parents. She even helped him plan his new-build residence since she was going to live there with him. But in the end he couldn't convince his parents to accept her and that was the end of that. It didn't help that she was Swedish. She'd sail through now of course.

Off topic - my aunts (50s and 60s) HATE Letizia. They don't like that she "gave up" after two girls. One says that if Sofia had given up after two girls, we wouldn't have a Felipe. They're convinced Letizia struggled to have children because of an abortion when she was younger. And don't get her started on Letizia's pantsuits. Ay dios mio.

A world without Felipe?! MARY!

Ay dios mio, indeed!

R222 r223 Nice freudian slip there.

Did you unblock me (again) just to say that? I'm clearly irresistible.

Found this comment about psycho sam

" They’ve found that she has an extensive criminal record,has pending child abuse charges against her( next court date is January 2019,) has no relationship with her 3 children, and her own mother has a restraining order against her.

Tom Jr. also has an extensive record, is a druggie and is abusive towards his significant other.

Peter Griffin from Family Guy aka Tom Sr. has also been exposed. There are no records of him having a heart attack, and everyone knows he staged those pictures.

At first I was so upset that they brought her over for an interview, but she has put the nail in the coffin with this one. If anyone had any sympathy for her before (don’t know why they would,) there isn’t a shred of sympathy left. People have done their research on her, her dad, and her younger brother Tom Jr.

So happy that people are seeing right through her vile lies. I feel after this there’s nothing left for her to say. She’s burned everyone out.

One last thing, from what I gather from the comments, she has completely changed her tune and is trying to act like she just wants a relationship with Meghan."

Felipe really loved Eva Sanum and was unhappy that he had to drop her, as his parents would never give their consent and he himself knew she likely wasn't Queen Consort material.

It was why he was so adamant about keeping Letizia (his next gf) even though Juan Carlos supposedly initially nixed her as well (divorced commoner, etc)...Felipe dug in his heels for her and made it clear it would be Letty or Queen Elena. JC & Sofia gave him the rest is history.

R198 - One doesn't have to assume anything - photos of her as a child and young teen make it clear what her genetics want her hair to do. She has full on African hair naturally, which is why the years of fighting it have resulted in the need for weaves and extensions. She's fried her hair, possibly permanently.

R200 - it's a Halloween costume, it doesn't remotely look like Diana, and Diana has been dead for more than 21 years - the idea that for the rest of eternity no one can sell or wear a Halloween costume of a blonde princess who's been turned into a vampire is sillier than shit. This isn't the Middleton's shamelessly selling Diana - this is the media shamelessly selling indignation. And a Meghan Markle Frau trying to deflect attention from her idol's mutual merching contract with Jessica Mulroney whilst British taxpayers fund her high-end lifestyle.

The truth is, no one gives a fuck.

Meghan does not wear weaves or extensions.

She gets it blow dried and straightened or gets big waves/curls.

Seeing your post history you are obsessed with Meghans hair for some reason. She could be bald and she would still be pretty. Harry loves her and chose to marry her, not her hair.

You really think you found a "weakness" by going after her hair. Pathetic.

I'm sure you wear your hair the way you did as a child, especially if you were a child of the 80s. Right, didn't think so.

R231 Ma Middleton removed it.

She knows the aristos frown at her overpriced tasteless tat.

Just tacky and common.

Council Carol at it again.

him = in in r229 "gave in the rest"

R232 - Oh would to God I were a child of the 80s!

You fucking moron, everyone knows she uses weaves, even the fraus on CB acknowledge it. They don't attach in front where a gust of wind would show them like a weatherman's toupee . . .

And if you think Prince Harry would have married her if she were bald, you're even more fatuously infantile than we initially supposed.

Council Carol has nothing on Suitcase Girl Markle, with her breast implants in a short red dress whilst she leers at the camera like a hyena in heat.

Where? And no fraus on "CB" do not acknowledge it. I've only heard "wiglet" to refer to kates sausage curls hair piece.

R233 Council Carol ? Shit , Datalounge has been invaded by the truly hateful and crazy conspiracy parts of the royalty watching fandom . RoyalDish has nothing on that lot .

At least she had an honest job. She didn't help her hideous brother with his drug dealing and what was it?mansion de bang bang? Where you could sleep with barely legal girls.

Yuck. We all know what council carol really did with her cover business. She didn't make her money selling cheap tat.

One day the truth about the meddling middletons and goldsmiths will come out.

R237 - Oh spare us with the outright lies, will you? There have been myriad mentions about Sparkle's weaves and fried hair on CB.

I don't know what the fuck you're doing here.

This site is for grownups who bite, not little girls swooning over a social climbing grifter merching her Canadian bestie's wares at the expense of the British taxpayer.

Wind and humidity will bring her down where Samantha and her father could not!

Samantha is such a cunt. (And asshole)

I suggest we move on and go back to what Sparkle will wear to Yuge's wedding and leave the Middleton rumour peddler to her obsession with proving that Meghan Markle is really Eleanor Roosevelt's reincarnation.

("Honest job?" That girl opened her legs to more men to get those jobs than Kate Middleton ever shook hands with.)

R238 - And worst of all they take themselves so bloody seriously.

[quote] leave the Middleton rumour peddler to her obsession with proving that Meghan Markle is really Eleanor Roosevelt's reincarnation.

LOL..

One thing we will be assured, Sparkle will wear something that doesn't quite fit, is borderline inappropriate, sticker price ridiculous, and mismatched with a vulgar addition to her ugly hat collection. Kate will be her flawless self and the sugar harpy will howl Kate is being passive aggressive and we will subsequently see several posts skipped over because this lonely cunt is deranged and the wise have pressed ignore on her loopy diatribes.

I've never seen nor read a single credible thing to support the popular (in some quarters) notion that Carole Middleton is a ferociously controlling, ambitious social climber who orchestrated her kid's marriage to William. This is whole cloth gossip filling in the gap of ignorance. Kate is a "commoner", she's close to her mom, ergo, Mommy must have stage managed the entire thing. Even more damning is Carole Middleton didn't come from money and is self-made. Stone her.

R246 the sticker price will be phony though, like the sticker price on all of her disasters.

How does anyone not understand she wears weaves? The texture at her temples is completely different than the texture of her weave; and the temple situation enables one to see the weave layered over her actual hair. This is when she's not wearing actual wigs, as she did with Trooping the Colour.

Saw a picture today of her with her Suits leading man - it appeared that the hair in front was her own (something we don't see in her since she got with Harry). It's thin, fine, wispy, but enough of it not to need augmentation. Getting to the crown, there is an obvious piece, weave, or halo.

R243 the reason I believe Meghan yachted is her resume is sparse. She booked a couple of jobs a year that couldn't have paid more than a few thousand dollars (at MOST), and that was when she had some traction. You can't live on 7k a year (being generous here). Don't tell me she paid the bills doing calligraphy. I think she bled her father's bank account dry and ditched him, I suspect he didn't approve of how she made money on the side when she wasn't asking him to write her checks, and that is the origin of their estrangement. She has exagerated the length of time she was with Trevor, and no matter how it's spun, he wasn't loaded with money either. Cory was a huge step up, as a celebrity chef. When she did book Suits, there is no way on God's green earth she made more than 12k an episode. As a contract player, they are not going to insult her with scale (although they could have, it's customary to pay at least a bit above if you are actually signing somebody). But she was contracted for a featured part, not lead and rarely truly supporting. Suits could not have supported her lifestyle, which included tons of travel. So how did she leverage a nothing job in the scheme of show business into a glossy lifestyle? Sure, she made connections, but I wonder if she made them using her acting job or using something else.

It's funny, I put someone on "ignore" yesterday and multiple posts disappeared. And now I can't read R237. Wonder why that is.

So you really think that in their boudoir, Prince Harry, aged 33, watches his older wife cover her half bald head with a wig before appearing in public?

R217 as I said just upthread, I put ONE poster on ignore yesterday in this thread and now ALL the sugar posts have disappeared. What a surprise.

Maybe it's shocking, or unexpected, but I didn't really pay much attention to Meghan when she first came on the scene. Harry had had plenty of other girlfriends, so who cared? I had noticed references to her being "mixed race' or "biracial", and my curiosity didn't take me very far. I actually wondered "which races"? It wasn't until I saw a photo of Doria at the Invictus Games that it sank in, "Ok, so now it's on, and it's going to get ugly". The truth is, I don't care about her race, or how she identifies. I'm a white gay guy, and my ex BF is black. I'm here to talk about her horrible fashion choices, her embarrassing hair styling, and how inappropriate her behavior is for a new royal. Strangely enough, I'd be thrilled if she actually started landing some hits, making appropriate choices, and looking like a true duchess. I'd be done with the bitching, and give her some claps.Underneath it all, I'd still like her to succeed, in the correct way. She just seems to be taking the wrong path.

R250 All road signs point to 'something else', of course.

R248 There's a CDAN Blind that MM gets the clothes for free from Mulroney, and after Charles unwittingly pays for them she and JM split the spoils...

I wonder. Since they're so ill-fitting, are the clothes returned to JM back on the rack? Or does JM keep them, (or some), as she's taller and Barbified curvier. It's not like Charles would look in MeAgain's closet, and it's in keeping with her grifter ways to be doing a deal with JM to top up her piggy bank until Dim sobers up. I wouldn't put it past her.

Aren't the financial reports about money spent by Charles to support his family legal documents? Presumably those reports require receipts of how much is spent on what.

I doubt Charles is sitting with his calculator putting the figures together so the accountant or auditor must work off submitted receipts for things purchased.

How the fuck is Barack Obama "black" and this bitch is "biracial"? It just seems like some kind of marketing gimmick. I am convinced that choosing her was just sheer hostility on Harry's part, perhaps to upset his father. The BRF were totally checkmated on day one, because if they pointed out how flamboyantly inappropriate this woman was for being a trashy divorced American fame whore TV actress with a shit family, they would simply be accused of being racist.

In fact, what we in the commonwealth will never get past is that she is American, and will never understand her role in a million years. All it takes is one American to trash everything,

Not sure I agree with that, R257. I don't think you have to be a native. Lizzy Wilson seems to be fitting in with her husband's aristocratic circle without rocking any boats; Mary is doing a good job in Denmark, Autumn Phillips has blended in; Maxima in the Netherlands and Charlene in Monaco as well. And Fergie has an extremely aristocratic English pedigree, and she turned out to be the worst of all.

But you have to want to fit in.

And obviously Sparkle does not want to fit in.

R258

No, she just has to not be an American. The Commonwealth gives 53 other countries to chose from that would work out well.

R259, a lot of her behaviour suggests that she does want to fit in. She tries to ingratiate herself, to the extent of hugging KP staff. Much of what she says in interviews and speeches show she is attempting to be liked and well thought of. Many of her outfits seem to be carefully chosen. But all of these efforts fail.

Autumn is Canadian; Canadians are much like Americans and not like the British.

Kate begins her post maternity leave appearances today. I'll be she recycles an outfit that was of reasonable price by a British designer to show Sparkle how a real royal Duchess is supposed to dress for everyday appearances with the British public. And it won't be in funeral black and cost $3K.

Like I said, Kate was accused of being a yacht girl, wearing inappropriate clothes, wearing wigs, and had anti semitic comments said about her by the SAME people now claiming to love her and going after Meghan.

Tiresome interloper alert.

Kate couldn’t have been a yacht girl. God knows I don’t have a fuck left to give about her but she has been photographed and stalked from the first days of university. She went straight from school to university, met William (after changing universities to make sure), then has been in the public eye since. No time to yacht and her family are wealthy enough that she doesn’t have to. Same with hard-faced Pippa. Now I REALLY can’t stand her but I cannot believe she was yachting either.

There are a couple of pics of Kate being crew on a schooner I think but that’s the sort of thing posh athletic girls do. I seem to remember it was either a friend’s family boat or maybe the Tall Ships Race. Whatever, definitely NOT yachting.

R265 - R263 is the relentless DoS cunt licker who has over 40 posts about all things virtuous about the faux fashionista grasper, hence "tiresome interloper alert." Put it on ignore and behold the gaps all over this thread.

[quote]Autumn is Canadian; Canadians are much like Americans and not like the British.

Canadians are far more like the British. In many respects, they're far more reserved than the British. They are not as exuberant as Americans.

Hunting bugs with kids, planting seeds, wearing decade old boots and jeans.

Clearly, Kate is the Anti-Meghan.

SO much cute moments with the kids for Kate.

It's her great come-back.

Canadians in my experience do not fall any more into one "national character" slot than Americans or Brits do. There are large differences between Canadians in Ottowa and Canadians in Vancouver. That said, it should be pointed out that Autumn and Peter Phillips are fringe royals who have no royal roles whatsoever. No one sends Autumn or Peter out on tours to represent the BRF. So "fitting in" wasn't that much of an issue.

The Danes always marry foreigners - it is actually a tradition there. Queen Margrethe married a Frenchman, her father, King Christian, married Princess Ingrid of Sweden; both Frederik and his younger brother married foreigners (the younger son, both times, once a Eurasian investment banker and the second Swiss-French)), and all the "outsiders" did quite well, although in his later years Margrethe's husband, Henrik, became testy and problematic (it later turned out he had Alzheimer's). But the commoner women have all been careful to dress appropriately, learn Danish as quickly as possible, observe protocols, and not overshadow their husbands (although Mary is reputed to work much harder than Frederik, who has a reputation for laziness). They have produced attractive families, they are well liked by the Danes.

The only yacht Kate Middleton jumped on was the HMS William Wales. She met him when she was, what, 20? Sure, she was off "yachting" on all those weekends William spent at the Middleton's comfy place in Bucklebury enjoying Carole M.'s legendary Sunday roasts . . . Kate didn't NEED to yacht, she caught the brass ring early and hung on for dear life, kept her legs open for William and her mouth shut to the press. The hook for William was all that family cosiness the death of his mother deprived him of, which is why he's still close to his in-laws, rather than the shallow glamour pussy trap Harry fell for.

That said, it is ludicrous to try to deny that Carole M. was a notoriously socially ambitious Mum. It ran in her family - Kate's Mum got Kate where she was and when the Middletons realised she had a shot at being the next but one Queen Consort they pulled together and supported a well-educated not particularly stupid grown woman throughout her twenties so she could focus on the prize instead of doing what most other young women with a decent university education did in their twenties: finding themselves, forging careers, etc. In that sense, Kate was far more fortunate than Sparkle - her Mum had already done the scrubwork and "placed her" in the older sense of the word.

Sparkle had to do quite a bit more clawing up, fucked a lot more men for whatever advantage she could get, and as soon as she got it, like the poetic moving finger, moved on.

Meghan's natural hair is fine, thin but Afro, and that's why it looks wispy as well as curly at the hairline. One can only imagine the damage the years of chemicals and blowouts and weaves have done to her real hair.

R268 is quite right, though, and nailed it: Sparkle's mistakes are giving Kate the role of the anti-Meghan, and Kate is letting her do it. Sparkle is a fool.

Re R256 No doubt that receipts are submitted to the palace. That doesn't rule out the possibility of theft and/or fraud being perpetuated.

It's an everyday occurrence at every level of business. The more rarefied the air, the more sophisticated the shell games.

And relatively speaking, the money would be a proverbial drop in the bucket to a Firm worth mega $$$. Even from a PR standpoint, best to look the other way.

Kate with children today. I believe she's wearing the same boots she's had for years.

I love that Kate wore casual clothes today.

Her clothes are appropriate for the occasion.

"In a world full of Kardashians, be a Diana."

Duchess of The Forest with her gorgeous hair. She looks like she has lighter highlights.

I don’t think anyone submits receipts. They are given an amount of money each year and how they spend that is up to them. Nobody is waiting for the monthly submission of bills for pantyhose, blouses and hats.

R277 Makes perfect sense. Then even simpler for a grifter to pad their own pockets.

The shops at Royal Residences are carrying the faux DS ring at under $40 USD. Profits of these Queen approved trinkets sold in the shops go into a fund for property maintenance I believe. Point being however no chance Kate’s (Diana’s) ring despite the rocky Queen/Diana relationship will be hocked so cheapy at the Palace, by the Palace. That anyone with $40 can buy the knock off approved by the Queen, that’s low down dirty shade. The Queen’s still got game! She’ll be showing her how to tweek engines next (The Queen drove for the Royal Army). It’s subtle & she gained her confidence. Then the slut went down under in a blazer, bare legs & this week closed her own car door. The trash is ready to be put out.

What about this mother problem Kate has? A Zombie Diana costume posted for sale. Was that resolved? Kate also had a relative accused of assault of minor in France last winter. The Middleton’s look quite lovely however one gets tired of overseeing the footmen needing to bury these bones. It’s tedious. A G&T help. Tedious

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R265 I thought my point was very clear. Guess not.

Where is the proof that meghan was a yacht girl by the way? Is it like the phantom sex tape?

Proof? Who are you r282

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I don't know if "yachting" was in Meghan's past but let's admit that it wouldn't be surprising in her show biz world rather than Kate's.

In other news, Harry and Meghans wedding costs...

POLICE commissioner Anthony Stansfeld said it was “between £2m and £4m”.

R284 They never dated

Whatever sparkles wears to the wedding you just KNOW it will be hideous.

Kate's boots MUST be really comfortable. She's been wearing them for many years.

R280 it isn’t a Diana costume it’s just a generic zombie princess. They are sold everywhere, like zombie doctors or zombie cats. You are determined to make this a huge faux pas when in reality it’s just a gory kids costume nobody would bat an eye at. Here’s a newsflash, Di wasn’t the only princess ever and she wasn’t the only person ever to die. Sometimes - and stick with me here - it’s not about Diana.

Kate has a great affinity for children.

She's more at ease now she has her own kids who are about the same age.

It's the kind of royal made for her: kids, nature, sport...

Meghan will focus on celebritiezzzzzz events where she can wear high heals and bad Haute Couture.

And both will be happy as clamps.

Beautiful fertile Kate, whose style is so effortless.

She will trounce Meagain in coverage. So I guess the leaks start soon.

Wow, this move is brilliant on Kate's part. It highlighted so much of what's wrong with MEagain. Kids adore Kate, kids can't be bothered with MM. Kate recycles high street affordable wardrobe, MM overspends on labels that look atrocious on her. Kate wears old comfy footware, MM totters about on wrong-sized stilettoes. Kate styles her hair to look relaxed and natural, MeMe thinks fry cook tendrils are carefree. Kate blends seamlessly into her environment, DoS dresses like she got her occasions mixed up. Well played Kate, well played.

R290 thanks for clarifying. That genetic aspect was not as I read. If you’ll kindly now follow me here. I wasn’t making anything about Diana in truth. My focus was the Middleton’s who despite “nice” lifestyle aren’t of any aristocracy I’m aware of and as stated previously by many with many examples rallied and ensured Kate won the prize. You’re absolutely correct everything is not about Diana. Including my question. It was an adjective within a version of a story, confirmed by you as true.

A story about out the Middleton Family. I don’t find online zombie costumes of any kind tasteful or refined. A little low-brow perhaps?

But, importantly, everything is not about Diana. Oh, well, expect your reply is indeed.

Middleton’s selling any zombie crap online is a problem. Follow? Excellent

The Middletons sell zombie items because THEY SELL. Shows like Walking Dead are popular. Same with vampires.

Re MM doing pay for play - in the current insiders Hollywood thread, someone in the know said that it was typical of most women and a number of men to give sex in exchange for advancement. MM has been linked with Harvey Weinstein and Brett Ratner.

I doubt that she slept with the Harvey pig.If she had Amber Heard's career(can't act/cast in big movies) I'd say yes but all she did was suits and a few B- movies.

I doubt she was on Harvey's radar.

I think r299 is right, she was never big enough to be on anyone’s radar. That’s why the persecution letter to the press was so bizarre, nobody had a fucking clue who this complete unknown was but she’s claiming racist harassment from the British press. I don’t think Suits was even shown in the UK? Certainly her superstar career as a suitcase girl wasn’t broadcast there.

I can't wait for this episode of 'The Crown', Season 7 Episode 6: "The War of The Car Doors"

All this door closing business is cringe.

[quote]A story about out the Middleton Family. I don’t find online zombie costumes of any kind tasteful or refined. A little low-brow perhaps.... ....Middleton’s selling any zombie crap online is a problem. Follow? Excellent

The Middletons are capitalists and know how to make the almighty pound, much like all of those "Aristos" who work for banks or hedge funds that speculate and invest in companies that do much worse, like mining in Commonwealth country companies that do not come close to paying living wages to indigenous people, or companies that that own stores that sell similar "zombie princess" outfits at Halloween, or invest in foreign ventures regardless of what the sell or do to make money.

The Middletons are small potatoes in the world dedicated to making money off other people's backs. They are simply selling what has had a good track record and providing the same goods at a competitive rate. And, FFS, anyone who thinks that is a "Diana Zombie" is pretty much zombified him/herself.

“Cringe” is a verb, R302. You’re in need of an adjective.

"Worthy"

PS Megs would have adored what Princess Charlene wore today.

I seriously doubt Charles is dutifully paying almost two million to Meghan as he receives her clothing bills for horrible clothing she got free. He's not a moron. There IS no two million in clothing; it's all PR, lies and hype. That's more money than Charles has spent on plane travel in a year, so no fucking way. People are stupid, or think Charles is.

I read the only reason Harry attended the cookbook thingie as Megala's plus one is Charles will not have Meghan anywhere near royal property without him. As it was the Hubbs Cookbook tent was pitched so far away from the residences it was nearly in the neighbor's garden.

"Reporter" Tom Sykes put the subtext on the table - he wrote that Meghan does Catherine's job better than Catherine, and Catherine will have to step up and be less "haughty", and Meghan is so much better and Catherine has to earn her stripes. 1) Obviously, Tom Sykes thinks the job of the royals is to step out of their vehicles and pose properly for the photogs - that is the ONLY thing he says Meghan does that Kate does not, but to Sykes, it is everything. Sykes neglects to mention that reporters are kept well out of hearing distance at every Meghan appearance, but that is not true of Kate. Yet Sykes builds a case that Meghan is moderniizing the monarchy because she poses. 2) EVERYBODY forgets the fucking succession. Does Camilla worry about Sophie stealing her thunder? I don't think so. No more does Catherine worry about Buckaroo.

R254, Meghan never really came on the scene though. The first time most people had heard of her was when Harry announced she and her mother were being harrassed by the paparazzi in Canada, which was proved to be a complete lie. But it got her on the radar, and it also appeared to commit Harry. Still, after that they were never even seen together. She promoted the presumed connection with Harry relentless on her instagram. She actually trolled her instagram with hints about Harry. Then came Vanity Fair. But as someone here speculated, once Harry made that "Leave her alone" announcement, his goose was as good as cooked. It would appear as if he caved under the pressure of dating a biracial woman if they broke up. That was the one chess move she made, or her backers or whomever one wants to call her two familiars, Marcus Anderson and Jessica Mulroney, made. Then he used the Invictus games to showcase his presumed love life, and that was all she wrote. She was never part of the girlfriend picture in the conventional sense, a la Chelsey and Cressida (his two longterm, public relationships).

R306 - Sykes is a shill. I'd guess he got all his talking points from Sparkle or her PR team.

Meghan isn't doing Catherine's job, she's doing Meghan's job, because Catherine's job was never Meghan's: Kate's primary job was to keep William comfy and steady, to produce the next generation of heirs. and to create a stable family environment as William moves toward inheriting the Throne. So, Catherine has already earned her stripes. The patronage end was always secondary to the family thing for Kate, something the Queen allowed because she remembered what happened to her family life with small children when she became Queen so young.

What I smell here is MM's PR leaks trying to offset the fact that MeAgain looks and acts like a famewhore and is getting negative PR for refusing to support British fashion, and to blunt any positive PR that Kate generates as she returns to the public scene.

And bottom line - Kate doesn't care, she doesn't have to: she's married to one future King and the mother of another one. She outranks Meghan now, she'll outrank her even more once Charles succeeds to the throne, and one day . . .

Meghan is going to have to curtsey to Queen Catherine in public, and her kids are going to have to bow and curtsey to Kate's kids. End of.

Sykes has the credibility of a goat. His illustrious "CV" includes a stint as a nightlife reporter, and a gossip columnist for that rag, the New York POST. He bummed around for years before he got the "Royalist" gig for the DB.

If he told me it was raining out, I wouldn't pull the brolly out of the front closet till I'd opened the window and checked for myself.

Back to the issue at hand, from which we continue to stray . . . the opening of the Danish Parliament occurred today (you can see a video of the arrival of the DRF on Billedbladet.dk) and Crown Princess Mary yet again was wearing the sort of adorable outfit that Sparkle should be wearing: a nipped in perfectly tailored black jacket over a fall skirt of mixed purples and pinks with a flared hemline of exactly the right length, her hair neatly up under a modified pillbox hat (although fighting wind and rain), and high-heeled black pumps. Simple, elegant, perfect for her small figure and giving her the illusion of the waist she lacks, she looked pretty, royal, dignified, and chic - in fact, she's ten years older than Sparkle and looked the same age.

I haven't figured out how to post images, or I would do so.But really, why Sparkle cannot figure something like this out I do not know.

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I definitely think Sykes and Markle had that article warmed up to, exactly as said upthread, blunt Kate's positive PR from her return.

A persistent theme among the Sparkles is that Kate and Meghan have the same job - both Duchesses. They do not. Again, as said upthread, Kate's main job is to keep William comfy, secure, stable and happy, and at that, she has excelled. Not to take away from the fact that she has been excelling in her public engagements as well for a long time now. Meghan cannot hope to compete with Kate. Kate is married to the next heir and will one day be queen if the monarchy endures, while Meghan will be Anthony Armstrong Jones. Camilla and Sophie Wessex are both duchesses married to brothers, but I don't imagine anyone thinks they are of equal rank. It's like the sugars think if Meghan wins, she'll win - what? William will switch out Kate for her? There's nothing to win. This is it.

R311 - Thank you. The skirt looks much more attractive when you see it move in the video, and Mary looks much slimmer in the outfit when you see her walking. I think the tulip hemline is the kind of think Sparkle should be doing to deflect attention from her stick figure legs. Instead of either hiding them in too long hemlines or exposing them in too short tuxedo dresses.

Looking at that picture of Mary, I realize some of Meghan's outfits, as such, are not terrible, but it's the fucking details. If she wore Mary's outfit, Meghan would be bare-legged and in stilettos. Her hat would be tiled and weird, and a different shade than her clothing. She's be doing her catwalk / runway walk. Meghan thinks bare legs and spike heels work with everything - they don't. If Meghan wanted to switch it up with Mary's outfit, she could wear boots. But not her fucking Aquaspumante_whatever heels with the mud on the bottom and the bow on the back that you know she would wear with that ensemble. The tendrils would be dangling. The contour would be slathered on with a trowel, she'd add some "glow" and sport a nude lip. She'd either carry some clunky bag with the plastic still on the bottom studs or carry and evening bag as a day bag - maybe like the one with her zodiac sign embossed in zwarovski crystals she carried one time. That was classy.

R314 - A fair point about the details. Even in the wind and rain, Mary's hair remained almost entirely neatly tucked up into the attractive velvet hat, Sparkle would have had the dry tendrils sticking out. Mary shoe's are very high heeled but they aren't hooker shoes with bows on the backs of the ankles. The jacket and hat are black but offset with pretty autumn colours. The skirt isn't too long or too short. The impression is one of coherent design, the skirt pattern and colours are striking but not attention grabbing. Everything works together.

I noticed that her sister in law, Pss. Marie, was similarly quietly but prettily dressed, and with a nearly identical black hat perched back on the head, but with a winter white belted modified trench coat. Her hair was loose but well under the hat, and she also wore hose and neat black high heels.

The two women look enough alike to be sisters (in addition to having the same first name [Mary/Marie] their birthdays are only a day or two apart). There have always been rumours that Joachim had a crush on his older brother's pretty Australian bride, and, after his divorce, went out and found someone as much like her as possible. But even dressed differently, the similar message coming across from both their outfit selections is that they know their places, their roles, and how to dress for them. Both gave Queen Margrethe (who looks like Mother Goose) deep curtsies.

And somehow, Mary and Marie have completely avoided the whole Kate and Meghan competition nonsense.

I think Sparkles' friends in the media (some of whom get comped mini vacays at Soho house) and Sparkle herself are the only ones playing the competition game. Kate isn't playing. Sparkle was always going to go there.

Kate dressed perfectly for a day featuring a nature walk with inner city kids. Colors right for the season, clothes mostly recycled and high street, and showed off how to do a proper appearance without looking for the camera the whole time and being present and attentive to the people and kids she was with.

This was a master class in how to handle an event to the specifics of the occasion fashionably and with a personal touch to those involved. Meghan should be taking notes but instead she's probably working on her next $3K inappropriate dress for the wrong occasion to make everything about HER. That's what Kate never does, the events are not about her...they are about the British subjects she's meeting with. She follows royal protocol perfectly as opposed to Meghan, who tries to go against it at every turn.

Thank god William was the first born who will inherit the throne. He learned from his father's mistakes with marrying his young and more fame loving mother and chose sensible and loyal Kate. Harry on the other hand married his mom, someone who craves the spotlight and thrives on all of the attention being on her.

Meghan's stans are pressed.

They were salivating at the idea Kate would fuck up her first post-maternity event. But she was perfect, the new Queen-Mother. She's a natural with children and had tons of pictures of children hugging her and giving her little gifts.

Meghan is not made for nature, sport, kids, bugs and boots. She barely knows how to throw a ball.

Kate will only underline how Meghan acts like events are her personal weekly red carpets to "shine".

Visit to Sussex

Individually I like the pieces she wore to Chichester but as usual it’s wrong. The coat is shorter than the skirt, how can she not know that it should be the same length or longer? The skirt is leather, more an evening look than daytime. I really like the coat, it’s the best one she’s worn but she wore it with the wrong outfit. The shoes fit for once but the left one appears to have something pink or red on the lip of the back - blood because they’re too small? There’s a patch of dirt on them too. The tendrils were in full blossom, must be harvest time soon.

All in all an improvement but still wrong.

^^^ I’ve just noticed the scrunched up purse was $2200. Just the right note to hit the day after Kate shows up in High Street brands/old boots.

There was subtle shade thrown in the DM of course - lead story Sparkle and underneath a story about how yesterday a kid asked Kate why she was being photographed and Kate told her they were photographing her (the kid) because she’s very special.

^ Could you imagine Sparkle's answer to that question: "Well, it's because I'm a Duchess andvery important."

[quote]and is getting negative PR for refusing to support British fashion

it seems now to be a purposeful refusal. Such an easy win and she just threw it away.

Her pink coat is really cute but the black blouse basic as fuck.

The leather skirt is too much, the style suits her but leather is too heavy for her.

The bag's price is just abhorrent.

The shoes are a let down, her shoe game is usually good.

Her gold bracelet is fug, I think it's Harry's gift.

The hair is good for Meghan's low hair standard.

And she should calm down with the bronzer, her face looks dirty.

How does she not know you never wear a coat shorter than your skirt/dress? What a maroon.

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Why can't she incorporate some really lovely barrettes/combs/slides to help Tame the Tendrils. They could look dressed up for formal occasions if they had just a wee bit of bling, and have some lovely understated inlay pieces for a classic, less formal look. Most importantly they would be functional. Hair ornaments could even be her "thing", like the bows Fergie used to wear in her hair all of the time.

I wonder how much this too small Armani coat cost....

I can't believe she's trying to be like a royal princess and stuff and then she wore leather.

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Without the coat her green blouse looks like a mess: floppy and wrinkled.

Haha, too bad Meghsy. The illusion lasted about 30 minutes.

Outfit, as usual, is based on a decent concept but is badly executed. The too short coat isn't sharp, it's just too short and is more of the bathrobe look. Agree with R332, once the coat comes off she looks like a harried middle-school teacher waiting for the last bell to ring. Hair, a mess as usual - it's as if she wants to keep hiding part of her face all the time. The nude pumps are all right, the pencil skirt is all right. A matching, toning, or black fitted jacket over the pencil skirt would have made it all work and if tailored properly, instead of the open swallowing coat, and with nipped in side-seaming would have have given her the illiusion of a waistline.

And while I like the pumps, the platform soles don't do her stick legs any favours - with shapeless thin legs, you don't want heavier made shoes at the bottom, you want lighter ones or you risk the Minnie Mouse look.

The purse looks like it belongs with another outfit altogether. And yet again, Boss and Armani, no British designers, and a ridiculously expensive purse.

So, about 7000£ for her look today.

And people are dumb enough to come and cheer.

R334 - "And people are dumb enough to come out and cheer."

Why? You may well arsk.

She looked passable on Suits.Why can't she look like that now??She can have a style similar to that.It's not that hard,somebody sort this woman out.

If this was the style she was going for, why not recycle the green outfit she wore on her trip to Ireland? Basically the same look.

Because recycling is good for peasants, not for a Duchess.

Look at PH lol

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R261 I think she desperately wants to be liked and get attention, but don’t feel she wants to fit in at all! If she fit in, she would not get as much attention, in her eyes. She’s so self-centered, that any attention, positive or negative, feeds her. She probably barely notices the negative, because she believes she’s so great that people are jealous. That’s why they would say negative things, I think she thinks she is perfect! That’s the funny part.

Touching her hair.

Funny protection spectacles.

I think they both look like they just rolled out of bed and got dressed in the dark.

Dangling Tendrils everywhere.

She has that "Nancy Reagan" adoring look at her husband pretty well covered.

I noticed yesterday in the grocery I was touching my hair. I then thought of everyone here and stopped immediately.

She's ready to bust.

Tendrils central right here.

Paying so much for so little.

That top is awful.The skirt may have worked with another top.The clothes are wearing her as always.She needs to stop wearing shirts,they look terrible on her figure.

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When shown an document of historical importance, Sparkle remarked

[quote] Wow. That's really special.

The quality of the graduates Northwestern is producing on display. What a dummy.

Also,

1. Harry is getting really, really bald.

2. Multiple pictures of Sparkle looking at the camera.

3. Shoes have red mark (as mentioned above) and look really dirty in some pictures.

4. Leather skirt is all wrong.

5. Harry really likes the kids.

6. Clothes too expensive (again), badly fitted, and non-British.

7. Oh, and hair dangling in her face. At least this time she's not dangling over food.

Her head to toe outfit today cost $6,200!!! God this woman is such a piece of work....and NONE of what she's wearing it British.

Little Miss Vegan's leather $2k purse is what most people in Sussex earn in a month. She is SO tone deaf.

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She looks really frumpy.

All that money to look like that....

Nutmeg clinging on to Dimwit for dear life. That looks like it hurts

Hi, it's MEgain!

Have they become engaged again because this photo sure looks like it!

She's practically eating her tendril. Yummy!

It's MEagain Part Deux!

What do I do with these again????

I have a theory that everything she wears - along with the extra tendril action- is just basically designed to troll DL'ers now

Is she pregnant? That skirt looks weird.

The news just ran a piece on the visit, sent a reporter to Sussex and everything. Apparently they are still "drawing huge crowds".

Contrary to what most assume, I don't think Meghan is interested in being pregnant in the foreseeable future. She is having way too much fun wearing lavish haute couture. basking in the fanfare and glamorous travel. She doesn't strike anyone the least bit maternal and there is nothing in her history that would indicate she is feeling biologically under the gun. If anything, she probably feels exceptional and believes she has all the time in the world to put it off pregnancy. The earliest I suspect she'll entertain the idea of conceiving is summer 2019.

I think they’ll go for IVF due to her age and have twins, getting both a girl and boy in one swoop.

A la her new "bestie" Amal.

A note about Kate and her 10 year old boots. Middle and upper class English women typically have a pair of "country boots" that can be used for walking outdoors, quick horse rides, etc. They are usually waterproof, expensive, and last a lifetime. A popular brand is Dubarry, though Kate's are Penelope Chilvers. The press makes a huge deal out of her "recycling" her boots, but she's not doing anything that any other Englishwoman who spends any time in the countryside around the Home Counties would do.

^ "wouldn't do"

You’re right r370. Buy “good” and make it last, anything looking too new is gauche. Remember the scene in The Philadelphia Story where Katharine Hepburn shoves John Howard in the dirt and tells him to roll around to scuff up his too-new clothes?

R367 - She may or may not be interested in the process itself, but the end result is a must if she is to fulfill Harry's dearest dreams and secure her position against future, ah, matrimonial upsets. I doubt she wants a public display of infertility, particularly in comparison with Kate, so I think she's just waiting to return from her tour to get moving on this. They'd probably be moving it along right now if it weren't for the fact that they're visiting Zika zones.

Why on earth would the Sugars think Kate would fuck it up coming back from maternity leave? Hours after popping out Louis she was on the front steps of the Lindo wing in her most relaxed, confident Lion King moment yet. She's not going to fuck ANYTHING up. She knows what she's doing. She knows how to stride out of the car and greet those waiting for her without acting like she just entered a party or arrived at the red carpet. I actually think that's a hard note to strike - exit your vehicle, walk towards those waiting for you, but don't come off like, "Yes! It's me! Let me put you at ease!"

And it bears repeating, no matter how much the sugars want Meghan to be better, Kate and Meghan are not doing the same job and they're not in the same position. I don't see Harry going to Israel or doing the sort of multi-tiered visit William did in Africa. Harry is mid-thirties and is still Hooray Harry. I guess to do anything more he'd have to read up and word has it he's not very excellent at that. Meghan's fondest wish could come true and she'd eclipse Catherine's popularity and Catherine would still be more highly ranked. It's as if Camilla felt threatened by the duchess skills of Sophie Wessex. She doesn't care. It's irrelevant. Good on Sophie for trying to make being the wife of whatever in line matter somewhat. Meghan being really bad at this doesn't actually matter. Except as to Harry becoming a joke. There are plenty of royals who can do the job.

I don't think Meghan is going to get pregnant for the reason that I don't think she can. I bet it must be ensured that William's bride can breed but as for Harry, who the hell cares? It's not a pre-requisite.

Exactly R370. There are Sugars claiming "She's buying the same pair of boots over and over!" which means they don't understand the lifestyle. Those boots are broken in. They fit her to a tee. The leather is soft and strong and as if they were made for her by this point.

We should give Meghan kudos for recycling her stilettos. No argument that she's re-buying new pairs - we can all see the mud on the sole and the heel when she arrives.

The top still has the horizontal crease from when it was pulled out of the box.

R374 hate to be nitpicking but Sophie is Countess of Wessex not duchess.

Meghan & Kate are the same age...

Wow....

Kate’s had 3 children and doesn’t Botox. She looks great.

R380 - how clever of you to overlook photos of Meghan where her brow showed wrinkles and her skin had bumps all over it . . .

And, of course, you forgot to compare their waistlines and legs . . .

There's nothing on Meghan's body that Kate wants, but Meghan would kill for Kate's waistline, legs - and naturally non-Afro hair.

Because as Meghan said herself, "I just feel sexier with straight hair."

Go back to Celebitchy where they fall for that shit.

This was so sweet

R381 Kate has forgone a lot of cosmetic procedures due to her need for a family, a lot of things that can be done are not advised in pregnancy. William went bald because he couldn't risk the succession by using Finasteride ( Proscar/Propecia). Lot's of people use it here in the UK but it's not advisable if you want a family.

As an aside every guy in my family (including my Brother) was bald by 30 - except me. I have been taking Finasteride ( Proscar/Propecia) for 27 years since I was 23 and have a ton of thick hair that I have to get cut every two weeks. It really does work if you can cope with the 1st year side effects ( temporary impotence, lethargy etc), I have to take a 5mg dose though. Bonus is that it reduces the incidence of prostate cancer.

That puffy wrinkled blouse that doesn't even tone with the green of the leather skirt and the flapping cashmere coat has to be one of Sparkle's most entertaining sartorial gaffes yet. The fetish with the tendril is redolent of high school and is becoming tiresome. And she never stops looking for the camera.

She'll be so relieved when she's finally got a baby bump: the issue of her nonexistent waist will finally go away for awhile.

r384 = Thick hair but can't get it up.

R366 Yup," drawing huge crowds", and the excitement is near palpable - but just WHO is it they're all straining to see??

... meanwhile, the overlooked MeAgain targets an ideal photo-op -- for a tight close-up...

too bad the truth is painfully self-evident in the wide shot! LOL

Nice to hear from someone who was actually THERE.

R387 - the wide shot is truly amusing - no one is looking at Sparkle except her, er, soul sistah while all the others are turned away fighting for a glimpse of Harry. But one would never know that from the cropped shot.

R380 that's the shot they should submit to Madame Tussauds, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between mannequin and actual bean. Sparkle's skin looks like pulled latex. Catherine on the other hand looks real and interesting and refined. And were she a gent, the misogynistic twat would be swooning over such charming distinguishing crinkles.

R389 "Soul sistah"? You and your passive aggressive racism again.

I hope it eats you up inside that Harry is in love with Meghan and not you or whomever you would personally approve of.

Of course you ignore all the positive things that were said about Meghan from people who were actually there and all the photos of people greeting her and hugging her with smiles on their faces.

Bitter miserable cunt that you are you will never be truly happy. I pity you.

The trip to Sussex was a SuccESS 😆

Irony seems to escape lesser minds like R391 (aka hairfrau troll).

So, leaving Meghan's fawning apologists behind to wallow in their parallel universe where she has no wrinkles, a perfect hourglass figure with curvacious legs, and her fantastically expensive foreign luxury brand clothes make her look JUST like her idol (the very white very aristocratic very European and completely differently built straight-haired Audrey Hepburn) . . .

Are we really just a week and a day from Yuge's wedding? Are we imagining Sparkle opening boxes from Canada and frantically trying on one outfit after another as she tries to guess what the future Queen Consort of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to whom one day Meghan Markle will one day be forced to curtsey will wear to the wedding? And what Sparkle can find in the boxes to stand out from all those nice English gels despite underneath it all desperately wanting to be accepted as one of them?

Will it be the black hat that another poster so sapiently pointed out looked like it had been dive bombed by a bird?

The green cartwheel with the matchy-match skirt, jacket, shoes, and gloves?

Or maybe even . . . the notorious Black Widow Dior that she wore to the RAF's 100th anniversary?

I picture her, the bright public persona dropped as she flings one ensemble after another on the California King bed she had brought over, screaming at Harry, "I've got only one fucking week to get this right! Can't you find out what the bitch is wearing? I mean, you have a fucking secret service here, don't you?! Is MI-6 good for ANYTHING except oppressing poor honest girls making a living on yachts?!"

There she goes again. R393 just can't help herself.

Now for a palate cleanser...

R391 - yawwwwnnnnnn. I don't give two fucks who Harry loves or marries deep down, but I'll be damned if I'll let an infantile hysteric like you keep me from enjoying the spectacle and commenting on it in any way I see fit.

I repeat: go back to Celebitchy and play with the drooling stans there.

Notice how righteousness always go hand in hand with no sense of humour?

R396 You could always block me but that's too logical for a fantasist like yourself.

R391 - Here, Miss Muffet, have a Kleenex and dry your tears of frustration that on one here sees Marvellous Meghan as you do.

R397 Block you? Why would I do that? I'd miss all the fun. I don't take myself or you nearly as seriously as you take yourself, pumpkin.

You need a cup of chamomile to settle your nerves, you really do.

R399 the bugnuts hair aficionado sugar would be better off with a cup of Drano, might clear out some of the bullshit.

Anyway...I'm leaving now....don't have too much fun without me ta-ta

In r346 photo MM looks awkward, not only that she is taking a dump, but poser. She knows kids are great props for her in photos, hoping to evoke Princess Diana like public sentiment....she looks so uncomfortable with kids....like she is trying to hold back disgust...she doesn’t like to share the frame!

WHO WALKS LIKE THIS??? She's doing the hooker strut to meet town leaders.

Also, watch as she turns and the start and tried to grab onto Harry's hand and he gives her the brush off because they are in the middle of OFFICIAL ROYAL DUTIES and she's still trying do pull off cutesy PDA. You don't hold hands when going to meet one county leader to another in any setting for chrissakes. He also had to do the introduction and let her get the handshake first because she was so stiff and awkward. She just can't relate to real people outside her social circle.

R400 - LOL. Can you credit it?

Nighty-night, Mary. How about a good-night story?

Once upon a time far away in a kingdom called LaCa there was a little girl with lots of curl who wanted to be someone that no one could ignore . . .

Those tendrils, r403. Throughout the 3 seconds of tape, MM is fidgeting with her hair and is momentarily blinded as she tries to flick her tendrils away from her eyes so she can see what's in front of her. She just looks it's her First Day on the job.

If she doesn’t knock it off with those tendrils, I will be tempted to send her this hairnet.

Alas, those dastardly tendrils are here to stay folks. Nutmeg is under the misapprehension they make her look young and banging.

R405 - Kdding and ribbing our poor Resident Meghan Stan aside, Sparkle has GOT to get herself another stylist. From the back without the coat you can see just how heinous that green outfit was - she looks like a large green box from the back with that over-sized bright silver zipper sending out a Hallooooooo! you can see from Outer Space. The tendril shit is getting ridiculous. But it's the shirt, the boxy floppy wrinkled shirt that is so incomprehensible. All blended with transparent attempts at kittenish sexuality. Lord, that sashaying walk!

She's mental, there's no other explanation for choices like that shirt.

Harry looked better put together.

Ok R374. Correct, but still, you take my point.

I guarantee over 90% of Sugars are frustrated and pissed off at how horribly Meghan is doing all of this, but they are invested, WANT her to represent, want to use her as a weapon against Kate, but you know in private convos they are tearing their hair out and planning spin.

R408, the problem is that Jessica Mulroney is clearly not just a stylist. In fact, Meghan plus Sophie Trudeau are the reasons she managed to leverage herself into that line of work. The people who pay for her services or the companies that hire her (like Hudson Bay) just want the perceived cache of trafficking with the wife of a prime minister's son and a perceived heiress; member of Toronto society. Although, as has been mentioned here before, the Mulroneys live in a bog standard suburban home, so when they go out on the town it appears they're heading to prom. How a television personality and heiress can only manage that for a house just mystifies.

Since Jessica's husband is gay, I suspect Jessica and Meghan are girlfriends, or at least Meghan is flexible sexually and "got" Jessica's loyalty and friendship that way. In any case, Jessica and only Jessica is going to be funneling clothing to the Megster. She's how Meghan got where she is, and she knows all Megala's secrets. She's been there every step. This is not about glamour or being a fashion icon, or she would, you know, IRON her shit. And clean her shoes. I think it's about the spin AFTER she makes an appearance. Oh, my outfit cost 8k GBP!! I don't think she gets it. The amount of money she wants us to think is given her for clothing, and the amount of security she pretends she needs is all about conveying an image of super duper importance and intense public interest to the media and to the "people". Actually looking good is beside the point, as long as she is able to display her "discreet exposure" (collar bones, bare legs, no bra) and pretend she's 1990's style sexy, she's happy. She's like Angelina Jolie got to be after awhile. Totally naked to everyone watching. The gap between what she's trying and what she actually pulls off is so cringe-making you almost feel sorry. But narcs like her can't feel humiliation.

Is that skirt....Naugahyde?!

OMG that clip. The sashay. The way she treats that town worthy like a thing. Harry sort of nudges her towards him and she approaches as if he's an inanimate object, getting up to him and looking over at Harry like, "I shake hands now or what?"

This has got to be Harry's karma and I'd really like to know for what.

That skirt is lambskin according to Meghan's Mirror which had the details before she even appeared. I wonder if PETA will reconsider its award.

I'm not sure R391 actually does pity. I think she's pretending to pity for effect. She is mendacious.

I'm trying to piece this together.

Mulroney & Fam, whom one would think lived in a traditional "luxury" McMansion type thing in a gated community, live in an ordinary upscale-yish suburban neighborhood with a pocket-sized front lawn and small pool in the back.

Mulroney is working her implanted ass off on instagram to become an influencer. Why? Yeah she likes the attention, but do she and hubby need the money? Is hubby not paid well? Are Mulroney's wealthy parents not taking care of her when they die (if they are still with us).

Mulroney and Megala work hand in hand. They've been caught red-handed, so to speak, in cross promotion when the label jumps in to take credit for what Meghan is wearing and hash tags Mulroney (it has happened more than once). Is this a mish mash of benefits for Meghan and Mulroney? Mulroney is increasingly known in Canada as the woman who dresses the duchess, even though Canada probably knows the Duchess's "style" sucks, many would "use" Mulroney just for the perceived cachet. Is Mulroney planning her own exit strategy from Ben?

I suspect the clothes are a mish mash of what Mulroney can persuade labels to give her, leftovers from showings or samples or trunk sales Mulroney is able to partner on with a label (as she has with Emma Wickstead's stuff or an Emma Wickstead distributor), stuff Meghan and Mulroney are able to cage/beg outright, borrowed shit, and the occasional decent set of ensembles such as when - I think it was Dior - a legit profitable label dressed her and also provided a stylist. And took the clothes back afterwards as they haven't been seen on her since.

Meghan has to be making money out of this somehow - she's not being blackmailed by Mulroney. "Use me or I reveal all!" I'm sure some of the labels pay her to wear them, but one wonders about that as the stuff they give her to wear looks horrible on her and seems to be the worst of their offerings. Meghan is definitely not merrily accepting what she pretends is hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of clothing and sending the bill to Prince Charles who happily authorizes the check. No way. He clearly neither likes nor trusts her, he's not paying for clothes that are costing ten times Kate's budget in a year. I would imagine Meghan TELLS that story though, and is the source of that blind item on CDAN, because it makes it seem as if Charles is in her thrall and will pay for anything she wants.

A simple headband would keep those tendrils from flying all over the place. It's really rather uncouth to keep touching your hair while you're also shaking peoples' hands.

That video at R403 almost makes me feel sorry for her. It is damning. She has no clue. Just no clue. The jerky movements, whoops not holding hands this time, the glancing for Harry, the fucking hair... she knows how badly she's doing, she knows her press. They let Harry marry her because poor Harry, maybe it will make him happy and at least this one said yes...

Now a bit of umbrage as a Torontonian... and it pains me to say anything that might be interpreted as defending that man-made woman with tits from Dow Corning and the Mattel logo stamped on her ass but:

[quote]Although, as has been mentioned here before, the Mulroneys live in a bog standard suburban home, so when they go out on the town it appears they're heading to prom.

They do not live in a bog standard suburban home. They live in either Deer Park or Moore Park. You don't get into either for less than $4 or $5 million and the houses are big, usually centre hall plan. Her Insta shows a pool in the backyard. That's a good sized lot. Again I hate to say it, but I live thereabouts and bog standard.... only if you know what you're talking about. Sorry on that score, doll. Otherwise, yes, she seems as ghastly as you describe.

It's also in the old city of Toronto... that's the core, not the suburbs.

That leather skirt looks like it was made in six pieces. Quality leather items are made with as few pieces as possible.

Kate must be still breastfeeding, but afterwards, she would do well to get some Botox. Those deep horizontal forehead lines are really aging.

Daily Mail had a video of her greeting the crowds and in the clip she went down the line and repeated "Nice to meet you" half a dozen times in a robotic way. No other greeting or changing this up. No "Thank you, I'm so happy to be here" or any other switch up or anything personal. Just the same line over and over. She has zero charm or personal skills with the British public. She's just going through motions so she can show off her $6K outfit and get photographed then get away from the masses to hold hands with Harry and be coquettish in pics, always looking for the camera.

She really is such an asshole.

^ What day is the SSAA interns' pot luck lunch?

Think we ought to gather at the local for a pint on Euge's big day to discuss the pot luck R423. I'll try to get us a table - you'll know who I am by the horse hair tendrils I'll be wearing in jest of our favourite asshole.

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R418 - What bad press? The mischievous shade thrown by the DM?

Bad press is when the TIMES and the Standard and the Telegraph and the BBC start running pieces focusing on, "Public Begins to Question Why Duchess of Sussex Refuses to Represent British Fashion While Enjoying Perks of Being British Royalty".

The DM and the SUN and the MIRROR are rags and the BRF know it. They dismiss their btl comments as coming from a particular sector of the hoi polloi. They don't read DL and if they did, they'd dismiss our comments as coming from a "particular sector". The gossip blogs don't count, either. It's a bit like taking an average: you throw out the extremes (the tabs and their knives, and the drool from fervent worshippers on CB) and look at the middle, and the middle shows that no one particularly cares one way or the other. Britons, poor sods that we are, have more to worry about these days than Meghan Markle's third-rate character and taste in clothes.

The only other press that would matter to her is Charles's. He's the one who holds the Power of the Purse, and will for the foreseeable future, and he loves his son. If Sparkle is making his son happy, which I'm perfectly prepared to state looks like the case, and not rocking the BRF boat too badly, Charles isn't going to push back.

But if the middle market press and broadsheets start making a fuss about the non-British fashion, then Charles will call Harry in and send him back to Sparkle with a message.

It's a great mistake to extrapolate from small self-selected groups like DL or CB or Royal Dish and believe they represent the general public. The general public just don't care, is my impression.

R426 the broadsheets are only one aspect of public opinion, the tabloids are another. Neither is more representative of anything. The comments in the tabloids are from actual people and they are overwhelmingly negative. The people who read tabloids are entitled to an opinion too.

The tabloids have much more influence, you want a proof? BREXIT.

The major newspapers were against Brexit, the tabloids supported the Brexit and Brexiters won.

Don't underestimate the Fail or the Sun.

I thought the DM had the largest readership.

R427 - We'll have to agree to disagree on this. It's a safe bet the BRF don't give a tinker's curse what the sector represented by the tabs think. But they'd wake up in a hurry if the BBC ran a segment wondering why the Duchess of Sussex won't support the fashion industry of the country to whom she now owes her global profile, wealth, status, etc. Those who read the tabs are also generally pro-monarchy, so they may grumble a bit, but they're not going to show up under the balcony of Buck House with pitchforks and torches.

But when the nation's paper of record mentions it, or the BBC mention it, and the line of questioning leads inexorably to Charles's wealth and who is paying for that wardrobe - then the can of worms seems a bit more dangerous.

Charles doesn't care what a disgruntled chav from Sunderland posts btl on the DM no matter what their readership is. And Jeremy Corbyn probably doesn't care either if it's confined to the DM.

But Labour will seize the opportunity if the broadsheets jump on it, the last thing the BRF or the Tories need.

That's what really bothers me about Sparkle - that she's so oblivious to the potential pitfalls of her narcissistic preening. She really thinks it's all about her and couldn't possibly be about anything or anyone else. This is how geese who lay golden eggs are killed.

I was interested to see that Harry introduced Sparkle yesterday in one area as "My lovely American wife." The reference reinforces the "outsider" aura that surrounds Sparkle and that they should be hastening to dispel as she's taking the perks of another country.

They really are both so stunningly oblivious.

I think, not only is she oblivious, she is determined to do things her way. As in when she said, "I'm American, we hug," about hugging the KP servants. Personally, I wouldn't want my bf hugging my cleaning lady, and I'm sure the BRF has similar views.

R428 - That, is I may say so, is an extremely oversimplified explanation for an extremely complicated situation. Discontent with the EU has been building in Britain for 40 years. The Mirror, by the way, if I remember, came out for REMAIN. The entire former industrial northeast came out for LEAVE, the wealthy southeast and the London luvvies, as we affectionately call them, came out for REMAIN. There are myriad reasons for the regional splits in England - and thus it has always been, only it's worse now. The DM did not bring about BREXIT: a succession of tone-deaf governments did, and the hubris of Cameron.

Well, enough on UK politics we will bore our American cousins.

As long as the DM keeps coverings its shade with glowing headlines, the BRF don't care. They live a stratosphere above that. Only when the broadsheets raise the issue will they mutter, "Oh, something must be done!" Then Charles will call Harry in and tell him that either his wife starts honouring her commitment to her "role" by more than waving and smiling and shaking hands, or he cuts off the clothing budget.

The issue, you see, eventually comes back to who is paying for all those clothes. The BRF will either then have to admit that their darling new Duchess has a merching arrangement with her Canadian bestie, or Charles is directly supporting non-British fashion. They won't dignify the issue by responding to it if the DM hints at it - only if the respectable media do.

And so far, the respectable media won't. Remember, the monarchy doesn't have to worry about the next election cycle, only Downing Street does.

I think Harry presents her as his American wife because like all the dumb bros he's fascinated by the US, Hollywood and shit like that.

He must think it's super cool to have an American wife.

R433 - Yes, I think you're right. And as the sixth in line, he can afford to indulge his shallow immaturity. William made the right decision for his position, despite the fantasists on CB who think that somehow Sparkle is doing Kate's job better than Kate; so far, Harry made the right decision for his immediate needs - a wife whose novelty will soothe his essential boredom and conflict about doing work that is essentially meaningless for a grown man. As I've said on earlier threads, "patronage" works out better for women than men. Yes, I know how it sounds, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

R416 I'd have thought that the Royal Family would be actively discouraging Meghan from earning any money given the oppressive US tax system, they don't want Harry to have to start filing US tax returns. I'm sure they will have Tax Attorney's all over it though.

R435 - I doubt that Meghan is posting earnings - the arrangement if any with Mulroney is "in-kind", gifts, and they've probably figured out what the threshold for "gifts" are to avoid taxes; whatever isn't from Mulroney, Charles is paying for. The nutjobs on CB think Meghan is a multimillionaire in her own right (yes, one of them actually posted that yesterday, to, I am sure, roars of laughter from the "Suits" producers) and "doesn't need Harry's money". Yes, Sparkle is getting the best advise from Inland Revenue, I'm sure.

The thing that is so peculiar about the Royal Family is how unaccustomed they are to plain speaking amongst each other. They use a sort of silent signal code and at all costs avoid frank personal communication. So, how you and I would interpret the phrase "actively discouraging" is not the way Charles and the Queen would interpret it. E.g., if Harry and Meghan were not invited to Balmoral this summer (they appear to be the only ones who didn't head to church at least once with HM), that would be a silent signal. Raised eyebrows, avoidance, silence - these are their signals.

People forget that Charles was much closer to his grandmother and his Uncle Louis Mountbatten than this mother and father, and, therefore is, essentially, an Edwardian. Had he been more connected to the post WWI 20th century, he wouldn't have made the ghastly mistake he did in choosing a wife.

Actively discouraging? I doubt it - as they have done so often in the past (Edward VIII, Pss. Margaret, Diana, and now Harry and Meghan), they'll watch in helpless bewilderment as the boulders start rolling downhill and then rush for damage control.

Which will be fun for the rest of us.

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I dunno, R436...the funereal expressions on the entire BRF's faces at the wedding spoke volumes.

R438 - Yes, but that isn't the same thing as having a frank talk with Harry about his wife's clothing choices. I'm sure no one was thrilled when it became clear Harry meant to marry a D-list divorced biracial 36 year old American actress who clearly wouldn't have looked at their Harry without the name "Windsor" and "HR" attached to him. If they'd had any spine whatsoever they would have called Harry's bluff and told him they had to wait a year during which she had to live in England and get to know the country, the way Mary of Denmark was made to live for a year in Denmark before marrying Crown Prince Frederik (and she was 30, never married, white, and free from yachting and casting couch rumours). But they caved in immediately. They have only themselves to blame for enabling him and the grifter from L.A.

Someone upthread said that Harry choosing Meghan was an act of unconscious hostility toward his father and the BRF for the way they handled Diana. I think there's something in that. That kind of shiny coating on a relationship tends to fade once you've had a few years of getting your revenge. We shall see.

R437 shs finally confirms what was already hinted at, that Megs ghosted her best pal of 30 year Nicki Pridy. She was the one who when Harry dating rumors came up said that Meghan chooses to "curate" her life to suit her needs then left it at that. Once she had Jessica and Markus in her life with the SoHo House world, she had no need for lifelong friends anymore. The same way she ghosted Cory Vitello after using him to rise through the Toronto social circuits by having a celebrity chef boyfriend only to dump him via text once she started dating Harry.

Love how she called out Doria for vanishing from the time Megs was 12 through college. I just wish she'd say where Doria was. Prison? An Ashram? What mother abandons her only daughter through her important teenage years?

Keep talking Samantha....

From my understanding Doria was taking care of either her sick mother or a sick relative and she didn't want Meghan to change from her private school. The school was closer to Tom sr house. He lived in a nice big house in a good neighbourhood. This was when he made good money working on the biggest sitcom show of the 90s.

I doubt Doria was ever in prison. These things are public record and Samantha or Pridy would have said something by now.

Anyone think Megs is going to get a short sharp shock on this tour? It's a lot of travel with dinky stops here and there and some toing and froing which will be a pain even with first class/military flights. It's not actual work but it's more than she's done recently!

R442 Another blind on CDAN states that Sparkles told a friend that she really dislikes having to interact with the 'regular people'.

You don't need to read that in a blind to see that it's true. Another reason Dim should have not rushed into this marriage after only a brief holiday courtship. Megsy was on the hunt for a wealthy husband and dreaming about living the lifestyle of the insanely rich and famous and Dim thought he found a partner to accompany him during his tedious but necessary meet & greet walkabouts.

The sharp shock will come when she realizes that these meet & greet trips will be the bulk of her existence. It's not what she had in mind at all. I can hear the scream from here...

Small wonder the aristo girls didn't want the job. Wait til MM has to visit senior care homes smelling of urine.

R443 - I wouldn't trust one of CDAN's blinds on Meghan any more than I trust Lainey or Tom Sykes or Kaiser on Kate. He (is it still that lawyer, Enty, or did he sell the site?) prints whatever he thinks will get the most clicks and indignant comments btl. The stuff CDAN put up that was clearly sent in by the Cumberbitch Tumblr trolls about Sophie Hunter, lost the site any shreds of credibility it ever had.

I find it distasteful to blame divorced parents with modest means for struggling to put the pieces together in ways that usually aren't optima - Yosemite Sam is dead wrong on that, and I think the idea that Doria was in prison is absurd. It's like that Deep Scandal that everyone keeps hinting is haunting Sparkle. If it were there and accessible, it would have been employed to stop the marriage.

The Markles wouldn't be the first family to make whatever arrangements they could after a split and hope it all turned out all right. I suspect Sparkle's Dad was a classic exemplar of a deadly parental combination: doting but narcissistic, unable to meet a child's basic "mirroring" needs, but at the same time making her think she was the center of the universe but in the wrong ways. Her private dreams of grandeur and global fame probably set in early.

Meghan choosing to disregard the fact that her insistence on having it her own way with the clothes is a problem for her father in law and the monarchy, and thinking a few "work events" are all she she needs to do to earn her perks, is the mark of a persona on whom narcissism set in very young. Kate has her flaws, but this isn't one of them, and in that sense, Meghan, just as Diana did, represents a danger to the very platform of those perks. It's unthinkable that Harry doesn't recognise this - that's why I think the poster who mentioned his choice as a hostile gesture to the family is spot on.

The difference is that Diana was Princess of Wales, and Meghan is just the Duchess of Sussex, so there's a fair chance she'll get away with it without too much damage, especially as the low-drama, dutiful Kate's children grow up and command increasing attention.

I could live to eat those words - but I doubt it.

R443 I'd think she'd like it actually because it gives her a chance to have the attention and adoration she so clearly exists on. I mean I like eating, sleeping, and breathing and attention is the same for MM. But I bet it gets boring and tedious quickly too.

R446 The adoration & attention she lives for aren't nearly as forthcoming as she had expected.

See the pic at R387 It's quite telling.

We don't get to see many wide shots with her and the public or we'd be seeing a lot more of their indifference, at best.

Here's the way the media presented the same picture at R387

A close crop of the image lends an altogether different impression than the reality. It's not accidental that we see lots of close cropped images of her unless Dim's in the frame as well.

Despite her psychopathy, I doubt that even MeMeMe hasn't noticed that the crowds are there for Harry, and aren't the least bit interested in her. It must make her crazy/crazier, which'll provide us with even more instances of her behaving inappropriately.

Body language indicates MeMe is not so into the hug as randomly lady would like to imagine. Duchess of Sux right hand won't even touch the person.

^ Body language indicates MeMe really is such an asshole.

Meaghan will never stop making mistakes because, as a trashy American fame whore, she never be able to let go of the need to seem sexxxxy. Kate feels no such need, and is happy to fade into the background by merely looking correct.

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[quote] Body language indicates MeMe is not so into the hug as randomly lady would like to imagine. Duchess of Sux right hand won't even touch the person.

Neither of Sparkle's hands are touching the lady in the picture at R448.

Thanks R452. That article is spot on: MM=Diana (but Diana had better legs).

A lot of people commenting how manic Harry was yesterday. This video of him bonking the two boys' heads together is just plain weird behavior. You can't tell they were shocked and one looked hurt. Add that to when he walked up to that woman who hugged Meghan and kissed her on the hand out of the blue without even being in on the conversation or anything else.

Wonder if their SoHo House crowd has turned them on to Colombian marching powder?

R454 - "Better" is an understatement. Meghan has no legs, Diana had spectacular ones.

Yes I agree wholeheartedly! I stand corrected.

R452 - what article? All I got was a short video of Maggie Thatcher's life after she died. Am I missing something?

R458. Go to your 'Settings', uncheck 'Show Link Previews', then come back to the thread, and the link should be clickable. With DM links, I always have to change my settings each time if I expect to read the original article.

Scroll down. The section on Diana is right after the video.

R455 Here's a better video.

Harry is getting really bald!

At R452's link, there's a really delicious story about Gore Vidal and Harold Pinter (further down the same page).

Get gets out of the car and strides directly towards those she's going to greet. Meghan gets out of a car, looks back and around a bit, flicks some tendrils away from her temples and then sashays towards the local grandee with another glance back "Is this thing here it? The one whose hand I am to shake?" Everything is pause, beat, hesitate, wan smile, then bigger "gracious" smile, then go forward. This sort of thing isn't her milieu you know. She's a royal. She's not quite sure who it is THIS time she will grace with her presence. Every time, that's the performance.

Meantime, and in reaction, Harry performs a sort of extra-exaggerated down-to-earthness, eager to put the focus on the poor local official who has to pretend to show respect to a yachting Z-lister from the states.

Someone who attended the event posted that the children were encouraged - nay, told - to act excited and shout out. Images from the interior show things differently - Harry and Megsy sitting awkwardly on a couch while the people grouped about them show no interest in conversing, Buckaro Beano standing cross ankled in front of two teen types who remain spread legged sitting down on the couch, one of them blatantly looking past her, the other looking as if his mum had come by to ask him a question, and he thinks if he ignores her hard enough she'll go away.

It must be something to be a "duchess" and have absolutely no one treat you like one unless the cameras are full on in everyone's faces. Because there are plenty of shots of them where they are in a group or not making an appearance, and they're ignored, and that time Meghan was rummaging in a car, two men caught her out and didn't give a shit who she was and she knew it.

^Above should say Catherine gets out of the car and doesn't take a few beats to smile and look about her, as Tom Sykes pretends to think she should. She knows who she's meeting and where she's going, and as soon as she's out of the car she gets down to it.

I don't know how Harry and Markle ended up getting married, but, I believe Harry did fall for some of her status bullshit. Best friends with in-laws of former prime minister! Spoke at the UN! Interned in Argentina. I believe he had no idea she had no money of her own, because everyone he knows has money, and he doesn't know the ins and outs of show business scales of wages, red carpetry, getting comped or your representative putting you on the celebrity humanitarian circuit. He didn't know she was ALL front, including her so called sophistication, global citizenry and intelligence. They were in a long distance relationship and, it is rumored, it was not exclusive on Harry's part. Let's pretend he was not in love, but in his immaturity thought he was insta-one-upping his brother. Good-looking long-haired brunette, but biracial! How daring, how rebellious and individual and self-determined of Harry! He is modern! He looks at her inflated CV and thinks she's going to be good at the job, if nothing else. So his ego would get something out of it. In their early appearances, as disingenuous as she was at the engagement interview, and how they bobbed and wove and deflected questions, he appeared to have confidence in her. Appeared to think she knew how to be in public, how to wrangle the media, how to make a good impression. One of their first appearances, he told the kids to hug Meghan.

I suspect the very first time he began to suspect she was a bigger idiot than he himself is was when she wandered off from one of their conversation stations and he had to call her back. He looked startled, and the way he called her back sounded like he expected her to realize her mistake. But nope. She kept making "mistakes" like that. When she wasn't barging in front of him, she began "allowing" him to go first, making a big gracious show of it like a mummy allowing her little boy to show what he's learned. But I think that very first time she wandered off and he called out "Meg? Meg!" was the first time he began to see she sucks and doesn't care that she sucks. And maybe worst of all, she doesn't look good. He thought he could one-up Catherine and he ended up with a parody.

Kudos to the person who called out Meghan's attempt at "kittenish sexuality". That is behind how she styles her awful clothes, how she walks, and the rest of her body language.

She is well on her way to being a laughing stock. Well done!

Agree, R466, and at the most recent appearance it was on full display - from the slatternly blouse to the ridiculous hooker strut. He needs to get out of this before she is knocked up. She is a disaster AND is not going to handle aging well at all. She is a nightmare.

R459 - Thank you! That worked perfectly, and the description of Diana fits everything that I'd surmised about her - and explains Harry's attraction to a woman employing the same strategies, from playing the tragic victim with her claims of abuse by the British press, to her claims of feminist activist sainthood, all whilst more interested in her status and clothes.

What a thorough going bellend is our Harry!

Harry's drug problem had to have been a DRUG problem, not, oh, he's smoked, er, CANNABIS! And we are very concerned, so we have taken him for a couple of hours of a look see and a talking to at one of those rehab centers. Did anybody buy that? Everybody in the royal family probably including old hippie Charles have probably smoked "cannabis". I can totally see Eugenie and Bea. It's not a "problem", it's common, like having a drink, and the RF knows it.

I think, as it runs in the family, that Harry is an alcoholic. And of course, his drug problem was DRUGS, not marijuana.

His act is wearing thin. The good old boy - I could see myself having a beer with him! SO accessible. He's playing it up now. I remember seeing a gif of him with his head three quarters to the camera, and he winked. When you're doing that, you're a celeb, not a royal. When he "snuck" the samosas at the Hubb lunch thing, he lit up when he noticed someone filming him, since that was why he stole them - he wanted that cute moment on camera.

I suspect he doesn't really want a wife or kids. I also suspect he's bi, but plenty of bi guys marry women and have kids with them. Marrying Markle was actually a gambit to put all that off, if not forestall it forever. She creates a lot of drama. Not the good kind he wanted (look at those two brave, innovative, confident in themselves souls!), but it certainly is a soap opera. He got himself married, so the pressure and speculation can stop - you know it would have gotten stale by 35-36. I think this is a mess, the opposite of settled, but he doesn't want to be settled. This is a blind. I don't think he cared if he loved or liked her - he wanted to be in the spotlight for his choice of bride, someone to checkmate Will and Kate. Remember he said he had to make the most of the window he had before Charlotte and George take over. And I think it all backfired on him. He wanted instant gratification, he married in haste, he was ignorant about Hollywood and couldn't recognize someone obviously on the make with no fallback plan (so, nothing to lose), AND I don't think he expected she'd be absolutely awful and someone most people can't stand. Imagine how he feels being basically shunned at royal events. There was one where they moved ahead, and the entire group waited until they'd gone about twenty paces before walking after them. You can see Markle and Harry look behind themselves at the people who are just standing there, making no move to follow.

[quote] There was one where they moved ahead, and the entire group waited until they'd gone about twenty paces before walking after them. You can see Markle and Harry look behind themselves at the people who are just standing there, making no move to follow.

When and where was this? Who were the people just standing there?

Glad to see all my SSAA interns out today. You’re all getting a raise! That exaggerated, sashaying, “sexy” walk she puts on is super-assholish.

I love the girl who runs this website. She might as well be one of us. She tallied up Meghan's British outfits while engaged to Harry and showed off how she embraced British, Australian, Canadian and other Commonwealth brands constantly before her marriage. Then as soon as she married, out came high end American and European luxury brands and she completely abandoned British fashion. She is SUCH and asshole.

Here's part one of her embracing British labels in the months leading up to her wedding, next comes part two of her in the months since where she has abandoned British fashion houses despite now being a member of the royal family where it is her JOB to do so.

Part 2 -- ever since she married Harry British brands have been dropped for American and European luxury labels. Once she got the prize, she didn't have to pretend to care about British designers anymore. She was "above" all that and entitled to Dior, Armani, Givenchy etc. SHE IS SUCH A TRANSPARENT ASSHOLE!

I love the girl who runs this site. She is doing serious homework on MeAgain's spending habits.

"Because of that ridiculously expensive useless bag last event of Fake Humanitarian Megsy , I got curious how much she spent on purses/clutches/bag alone from engagement to after wedding and HOLY SHIT! And the difference between before and after wedding is STAGGERING! Before the wedding she spent roughly $14,000 for this ridiculous clutches and then after the wedding Megsy the fake humanitarian has to double the amount to $32k. So in total she spent $50k for this alone. What a Shameless, ridiculous and a manipulative liar. Can you imagine if she donated this to the Greenfell survivors and not that narcissistic cookbook she suggested? LMAO. She is unbelievable. The after wedding purchases really shows her true color. Gold-digger and fake humanitarian"

That instagram hate site is racist and makes fun of her looks.Bad clothes and spending too much money is one thing but making fun of someone's skin colour etc is distateful IMO.To each their own.

R476 Sugar honey you didn't even bother to read her caption:

So I researched how many times she wore British brands for her wardrobe before the wedding. And indeed Megsy incorporated British brands before to impress the Brits. So what changed? All her moves are fake and calculated. And her fans wonder why many don’t like her? This is not about her race but how she portrays herself. Shameless fake humanitarian. #meghanmarkle #princehazth

Be gone with you Sugar!

The Gore Vidal story in R453 is hilarious. I was planning on just skipping that article, but I’m glad I didn’t!

R477 Yeah sure I don't hate Meghan with a passion=sugar

Most Brits don't hate Meghan.They don't approve of her spending habits and wearing foreign brands.According to this site,they're all sugars.

When did I say I liked her?I can't hate someone I don't know(except war criminals,murderers and rapists) just like I can't worship the ground Kate walks on.Sure I like Kate better than Markle but none of these people are that special.They're all privileged and attending events for 45 minutes is not proper work.

Kate is a beautiful,intelligent,lovely,kind woman and a great mum(Meghan will never be any of those things)but so are millions of British women who work long hours and take care of their young kids.

FYI for Royal Wedding Watchers - TLC will be covering Eugenie's wedding on Oct 12. Early start at 4:25 am.

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This is getting more entertaining by the month. God only knows where we'll be after Yuge's wedding Friday next, and then as HazBean set out on their Commonwealth tour. Part 16?

Firstly, as I have said before, the UK has a population of 65 million, most of whom pay little to no attention to the BRF. You have your dedicated DM readers, your dedicated CB-Lainey worshippers at the extremes, no one else cares. So the claim that "everyone" hates the DoS is as absurd as the claim that The British People Have Fallen In Love.

It's dangerous to infer too much from web sites frequented by self-selected groups, they tend to turn into echo chambers that don't reflect reality; it's especially dangerous to infer broad truths by selecting a couple of photos out of thousands and holding them up as "proof" of a couple's impending divorce, Harry's unhappiness, his friends' contempt, or his father's despair at his feckless son's choices.

I think there's enough evidence overall to confirm that Sparkle does whatever it takes to get where she wants to go (e.g., wearing British clothes during the engagement, then ditching them once the wedding ring is safely on her left hand) because that's what she's done all her life, she now feels secure enough to ignore national news stories about her extravagance, love of luxury, her abject refusal to support the British fashion industry, and her bizarre taste in clothes as she tries to figure out how to be a non-British but still Royal Duchess taking the perks offered by a passive British public.

Beyond that, we don't know fuck all. Harry could be happy as a clam, his father shrugging his shoulders, ditto the 92 year old Queen who knows by now that it's out of her hands and up to William and Kate to keep the side up, and the public don't for the most part don't give a tinker's curse about the whole thing.

Of course it looks different to most of us shrewd, cynical, observant DLers (absent a few sugars and race hysterics) but, er, we aren't the British public.

So the "everyone hates her" . . . ah, if only. Wouldn't it be wonderful to see Harry suffer the just desserts of his bad judgement and Meghan slinking out of Heathrow for the last time while trunks full of Dior and de la Renta are shipped back to LaCa?

Not bloody likely. My guess is that the BRF would do anything to head off another messy, headline screaming collapsing marriage divorce custody financial settlement, etc. They'll let Your Royal Buckaroo Bean get away with anything, including putting two fingers up to the British fashion industry, rather than go through that again. They should never have let Harry put her hands around their throats. But they did.

Meanwhile, renovations on the adjoining apartment next door to Will's and Kate's are complete - the 21-room place is alleged to be earmarked for HazBean. Lots of room for that bun Sparkle has to get into the oven soon, and the nanny (or Mammy, if she brings Doria over for the British taxpayer and Charles to support - oh, can't wait for Thomas, Sr., to start ranting about being kept from his own flesh and blood!)

It's an unfair world, and social climbing hard-arsed narcissistic grifters often get exactly what they want. I'm afraid that's the case here, children. It may end in tears for Harry, but not for MeAgain. She's already won the field.

Put away your fantasies of imminent divorce or the peasants revolting . . . to paraphrase the immortal words of Margot Channing . . .

Personally, I find Harry a little overfamiliar for a royal. His mother Diana was friendly and tactile with the crowds too but she knew how to control herself and when to rein it in. Will and Kate also know how to behave and not get carried away.

R483 - Diana was a member of the old landed aristocracy . No matter how superb her "common touch" was, those types' sense of who they are is so deeply inbred they aren't even aware of it. That was the key to Diana's charm for the public: the "common touch" was a function of her persona. but it wasn't who she really was. She knew how to relate to them without seeming like one of them, and so was able to go on encapsulating their fantasies of what a royal princess should be, relegating to the background the excessive privilege.

That's what an American actress arriviste like Meghan Markle doesn't get. She's American - she'd never grasp what Sophie Wessex, for example, gets: if you aren't to the manor born, you have to work your arse off to earn your privileges and be very careful about what you show the plebs. As an American actress, Meghan Markle figures all she has to do is learn her lines and show up for makeup, hair, and costume, and she will be like Diana.

But she isn't like Diana and she never will be. She doesn't get how this has worked in England for the last millenia and why she can never be Diana - because to be Diana you have to be born Diana., and Markle is just a grifter from L.A. who got lucky.

If Sparkle and Dim are moving into the larger KP apartment next door to William and Kate, I hope Kate & Will lock, bolt and alarm all of the doors connecting their apartment to the apartment next door keeping in mind the photo taking and peddling Sparkle.

A loud alarm. Very loud alarm. Piercing alarm. Armed response.

Wouldn't a wiser decision be to take Apt 1 and convert into say 2 units? I mean, who the hell needs 21 rooms in a palace almost fit to burst with an ever expanding brood?

Maybe they're going to give the newly renovated KP apartment to Eugenie and Jack.

Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Meghan is going to the South Pacific but not the beachy parts of those island. Then too, despite the hype from the Daily Mail, dressing for dinner runs to shorts, flowered mumus and flower crowns (I'm talking VIP dinners too). No tiara for a "state dinner". Meghan and Harry won't have a state dinner - they're not heads of state. I've been reading that the culture is very conservative and very tough, so one wonders what the response will be to sexy, fey Little Meghan.

Apt 1 was renovated with office permits. Megsy ain't moving in there. That other royal reporter guy, Richard Palmer, shot that down.

R485 - I would suggest a weekly sweep of the Cambridge apartments by MI6 for bugs and hidden cameras.

Back at Yuge's wedding, the TIMES is carrying an article stating that the local council in Windsor has been politely told to expect a "modest turnout".

I don't know who is less connected to Planet Earth: Prince Andrew for setting his daughter up for humiliation because he insists on pretending that the British public gives a tinker's curse about her and her wedding - just wait till that carriage ride goes past maybe 100 people, and the ratings show that the entire country went to the office rather than watch the bloody thing ; Prince Charles for allowing his son to marry Meghan Markle; Prince Harry for wanting to marry Meghan Markle; the Queen for allowing Harry to marry Meghan Markle; or the British public for not rioting over yet another renovation to another royal apartment in Kensington Palace paid for out of the Sovereign Grant (i.e., taxpayer money).

The only person with her eye on the ball was Meghan Markle. She must fall asleep laughing at how easy it was to get her leg over this lot.

I don't like Tina Brown, but her bio of Diana (or maybe it was the BRF in general?) is pretty good. Diana's problem is her good side was the flip side of the coin to the bad side, as it is with most of us. From when she was in middle school she was good with people who were one down - for instance geriatric aristos in nursing homes. On obligatory visits she was natural and funny. But it was also a way for her to stand out. I also think she genuinely loved children and was good with them, and the flip side of that was she felt competitive with anyone else who was good with kids and wanted to be the main star in the eyes of any kid who got her attention.

She also played to the camera, which made the public think she was playing to them. It's not the same thing. The public, or "fans" will never understand that they are an audience. They're an ego trip. Treating them well feeds celebrity status. A celebrity or royal should be estimated by how they treat their family, staff, etc. and often there's a big difference. Harry was an asshole as recently as this past spring - he was called out as a douchebag by a fellow polo player and William apologized for him.

In this latest "engagement" Harry looks like a freaking mime. He gets out of the car, and starts peering back into the car and around the car, seemingly not sure what happened to his bride. She is SLOWLY exiting and coming round the side of the car, taking her entrance in slowly. That's what she does, make an entrance. Not grand, but fey, "gracious" and a little intentionally fish out of water among commoners. Oh please instruct me again, my love, who are these worker bees I'm about to meet?

BTW on Jessica Mulroney's instagram her kid is trying on a Halloween costume and is too interested in her own reflection to turn and face her mummy's camera as mummy is instructing. It's amazing how immediately Mulroney railroads over the kid's uncertainty and what she's saying to demand she turn around. She SOUNDS like Meghan too - same inflections and regionalism. And frankly, does not seem interested in her daughter. What her daughter is saying, it is clear, comes across to her like the Waah waah waaah of a Charlie Brown cartoon schoolteacher, and she's slightly sarcastic about her.

R489 - "Office permits" with adjoining doors to the Cambridge home? A 21-room apartment for offices - adjoining the Cambridge's private home? Did KP confirm that? Because if they didn't, it means they aren't keen to let on that the American grifter is going to be living high off the hog at British taxpayer expense. Palmer's been on the scene for a while, but that doesn't mean all his information is from On High.

I don't say it isn't true, but I'd like more bona fides on that, given the space's proximity to the Cambridges.

Sure. Diana's former apartments are now offices and were previously the Royal Art School (or close to that) after Diana. Why not offices in proximity to the Cambridges large apartment? It makes perfect sense. You have 20+ living quarters with offices adjacent. Certainly that provides more security and privacy than another private resident adjacent. Besides, Richard Palmer knows what he's talking about and he got it from the palace.

The only "lot" Meghan got her leg over on was Harry. It was clear from the wedding onto every group appearance by the royals that she is a pariah and when Harry is pasted to her, so is he. They are held at arms' length. He didn't avoid his grandma this summer. He wasn't invited. Or rather, it would have looked odd to see Harry go to church with grandma with no Meghan in sight.

Charles, I've read, keeps Meghan clear of all family matters. Having seen the video of him giving them the boot from the garden party after a mere twenty minutes, I will never believe he polices Meghan's access but willingly writes her million dollar checks. She's grifting via merching, the end. I bet she did no research on the fam and though Harry was a near-billionaire. And I bet she never realized Diana's circumstances, just had hazy memories of fabulous clothing and jewels and then ff, Dodi's yacht. She did not realize Diana was pinned down to Kensington Palace in a fishbowl, that if she wanted to escape she went off to see her mum in Scotland or worked out an invite from a friend, that she was unwelcome at Althorp, and began borrowing her evening wear once divorced. A former princess of Whales does not consort with a cocaine addled son of a billionaire arms' dealer if there are better options.

There have been 100,000 applications to stand on the lawn, this is bullshit. There will be a big turnout for huge. Meghan has been bad mouthing her since her own wedding belly flopped. She and her press familiars like to think she is more important than Eugenie, so MM and her press pals attacked Eugenie on every front. Who is Eugenie to warrant a Windsor wedding with all the trimmings? She hardly rises to the level of a quickie spouse of the sixth in line, she is a mere blood daughter of the queen and ninth in line!

Meghan is afraid Eugenie's wedding will show hers up. It will. Eugenie's dress will obviously be more expensive (albeit no designer will be claiming something they whipped up from a bolt of fabric and a youtube video is actually worth 400k), Eugenie's family will be wreathed in smiles. There will be a carpet on the aisle of St. George's. George and Charlotte will interact with the bride. The queen herself will hostess the reception immediately afterwards, then Andrew will do the honors for the blowout. Meghan fancies herself more royal and important than Eugenie. But, like Angelina Jolie, her gift is to drag the person she's with down to her level, instead of elevating herself. Harry is not as important as he was once.

From Richard Palmer's twitter:

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@RoyalReporter 9h9 hours ago More A spokeswoman for the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester says they “continue to live in Apartment 1”.

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The bogus article claimed the Gloucesters had shifted to new quarters. Meghan's been trying to push them out since before the wedding.

And all that's being worked on in Apt. 1 is a new roof.

R493 - Office workers with one door separating them from Prince William and his kids? With the security failures of recent years? OK, I'll accept Palmer got it from the Palace. But all it takes is one vetting slip up. Seems a daft idea to me.

R494 - I'll agree that I've seen happier family weddings amongst the BRF, but that was no surprise: without even a glimpse of the lady, her CV alone would have raised flags. But no one knows what is going on behind the scenes and I doubt Clarence House is leaking what Charles does or doesn't do re Sparkle - he keeps her far from family matters? Well, Christ, what family matters would she be remotely involved in, anyway? He didn't give them the boot at the Garden Party, they were there as long as they were supposed to be. It was a cursory appearance as they'd only been married a few days and were headed off on their secret honeymoon - as it was an early gesture for Charles's upcoming birthday they made the gesture and then left. People interpret these short videos and photos the way they want.

If Charles and the Queen were that upset about Sparkle's character, they would have moved to stop the marriage. If they didn't, it's either because they were too stupid to see her for what she was, or . . . she got her leg over all of them.

He isn't writing her million dollar checks because the checks don't ever have William's, Kate's, Harry's, or Meghan's names on them. Charles allocates one annual lump sum from the revenues of the Duchy of Cornwall to each of the boys' households, the sum incorporated into each household's annual budget, and is intended to cover whatever expenses their cut of the Sovereign Grant doesn't, so they can carry on in the style they are accustomed to and their wives can look like royal duchesses all the time, not just when they're carrying out their duties.

She may be merching or she may not. If she is, and Charles isn't stopping her, he either doesn't care or he's really that obtuse, in which case, yeah, she's gotten her leg over him, too.

Charles doesn't see Kate much, either. No one knows a damned thing about what they're really thinking or doing. I will say that HazBean not showing up at Balmoral for the obligatory Craithie service photo op was surprising - I don't for a moment believe they declined an invitation - Sparkle wouldn't pass up a photo op like that. I think they they went on another little honeymoon.

R495 - Well, you can check the TIMES:

www thetimes.co.uk edition news windsor castle expects a small turnout on princess eugenie s wedding day zk8fsq8jf

You are telling me that the TIMES is taking leaks from Meghan Markle's PR team?

I don't doubt Meghan Markle is one of the most psychotically competitive women on the planet, but let's be real: the BBC turned down Andrew's pleas because it knows no one gives a shit about Eugenie and her boring fiance.

Huge? Really, I doubt it. And the viewers that do tune in aren't interested so much in Yuge and Jack, but the rest of the BRF and the hats clothes jewels, etc.

[QUOTE]He didn't give them the boot at the Garden Party, they were there as long as they were supposed to be.

Dimwit and Sparkles were booted out of the Garden Party by Charles. See it at 6:40 minutes at link.

R496 - Well, if you want to believe the DM, the windows were also replaced and the renovation took a year and cost 1.4 million. Palmer writes for the DM. According to the article up in the DM now, the Gloucesters offered to move out of 1 and are planning to move into the space formerly occupied by now departed Christopher Geldt, the Queen's former private secretary, although they currently still live in Apt. 1.

I guess we'll find out soon enough, my guess being following their return from Oz and the announcement that Meghan's got a bun in the over in February.

R498 - How do you get "booted out" from that video?! It's quite clear they were only supposed to be there for a limited time and showed out of duty to Charles and had delayed leaving for their honeymoon - their fucking private plane was probably waiting. Not an iota of surprise, tension, or problem was in view.. It's clear they had a brief timeframe for this appearance and were being reminded of it.

I bow to no one in my low opinion of Meghan and Harry, but this is what I mean by the obsessives losing credibility as they read anything and everything into a photo or 15 seconds of video for which there are perfectly logical explanations.

If anything that video is evidence of Markle's absurdity, it is her ridiculously exaggerates hooker walk as she turns her back to the camera. Good God, she looks like she's auditioning for the part of Lorelie in "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes".

William and Kate did not move into the big apartment 1A until after Prince George was born. Before that they lived at Nottingham Cottage.

Since the Cambridge's kids play in a private walled garden overlooked by the windows from apartment 1A, I am wondering if the private garden is also overlooked by windows from apartment 1.

If so, there could be obvious concerns about someone (guess who) taking pictures of the kids from apartment 1.

Harry knocking the heads of the kids together was strange and kinda mean. Has he done anything else like that in the past?

I would not be shocked if both were a bit impaired the other day, they had that over exaggerated staginess, as people sometimes do when compensating/over-compensating.

R502 - The two of them make quite a shabby show. Queen Mary and the late Queen Mum must be spinning like tops in their respective tombs.

It is obvious from the garden party video that Charles motions an unsuspecting Harry, tells him to get out, ignores Sparkle, and leaves without acknowledging Sparkle. If they were there as long as they were meant to be there, this transaction wouldn't have happened. Charles would have at least nodded at his newly minted daughter in law.

Sparkle and Harry aren't moving in next to the Cambridges and never will.

R497 you are a Sparkle talking out your ass.

She’s such a tedious asshole.

What is SSAA please?

^^^. She is Such An Asshole

Due to popular demand, Palace sources can reveal that the Duchess of Sussex will be wearing her white (Wimbledon) trousers on the upcoming trip to Australia.

She just doesn't really seem to fit, does she?

R497 - Of the many amusing things said to me on these Sparkle threads, that has to go to the head of the class, given the many scathing things I've said about her - which got me called "Jan" by the troll who identifies anyone who mentions anything connected to the black half of Sparkle's DNA as the mysterious alt-right troll, Jan. Of course, several others have also been identified as the mysterious "Jan", too.

Maintaining a sense of reality about the interpretation if fleeting expressions on the faces of people you've never come within 25 feet of doesn't make one a fan, it makes one connected to reality.

You haven't a clue what Charles was thinking or what the expression on Harry's face was. You're putting your own spin on it to support your narrative. It's called "confirmation bias".

Sparkle has given us plenty of verifiable reasons for our contempt (such as refusing to support the British fashion industry whilst taking the perks of being a British royal) - but assuming that Charles publicly "booted out" his son and brand new daughter in law out of a garden party with cameras rolling a few days after their wedding is just spurious. He's far too savvy for that.

You might want to check out my myriad other remarks about Sparkle.

Take that, Tendrils:

"Eugenie reassures us that, unlike the puffy dress her mother wore to marry the Duke of York in 1986, hers will have 'no meringue shoulders' and will be the work of 'a British-based designer', adding: 'As soon as we announced the wedding, I knew the designer and the look.'"

R512 - This is the lovely gown of Prince Nicolas of Rumania's new wife Alina-Maria Blinder (please click for up close photos). I hope Eugenie wears something tasteful and elegant like this dress.

She has an enormous bust so all styles will not work.

Sorry, R513, but I think that dress is even worse than MM's. It looks like a dropcloth used by painters.

Regarding the garden party exit, if they (Sparkle & Harry) knew their time at the party was to be limited to a certain length of time, wouldn't some suited person have whispered in Harry's ear that it was time to go? That would seem more likely to me as I suspect the RF comings and goings at these public events are most likely scheduled before hand.

The video pretty clearly shows Charles "having a word" with Harry, followed by the exit of the sashaying Sparkle and her spouse. To suspect that the two things may have been cause and effect is not out of the realm of possibility.

I think I was one of the earliest referring to poor dim Harry and I wouldn't trust her as far as Marcus Anderson and Mattel Mulroney could throw her (I assume neither eats a lot so am willing to grant tag team to make up for nutritional deficiencies.). But I don't see any evidence Charles was scolding or schooling or dispatching Harry in that video.

All these things are scheduled. I agree it isn't likely Charles would say time to go, but it's not impossible. What it looked like to me was good bye, esp. when Camilla came over for goodbye kisses and can clearly be heard asking something like "This way?" when she wanders out of frame in whatever direction she and Prince Charles were heading. Harry and the Souvenir Hunter were probably off on their honeymoon from the garden party so it was good bye. Charles, known to be capable of incandescent rage, has not the best of my knowledge ever lost it in public. There was nothing in that situation to prompt him to start.

If the RF are less than happy with Sparkle, I think they might be wary of planting Sparkle and Harry in apartment 1 - one of the premier spots in Kensington Palace.

They (the RF) would remember, surely, that part of Diana's demands upon her divorce was that she maintained her residence at KP. Given this precedent, perhaps the RF want to avoid the possibility of having Sparkle planted in apartment 1 and determined to remain.

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R518 From what I've read the Queen was happy to give Diana whatever she wanted and she didn't demand much, it was Charles who put his foot down and kicked up a fuss, especially about if she was allowed to keep her HRH title. The Queen let her stay at KP because she was the mother of the future King & his welfare took priority but if she ever remarried she would have to give up both her home, offices & the Princess of Wales title. If Kate divorced William she would probably get a similar deal, but if Princess California and Hazzers get divorced all she would get is the Fergie divorce deal.

More importantly, I wonder if Meagain gets Brazilians and if so, who does them? Because it would be kind of embarrassing given her job.

I think it's entirely possible that should Sparkle & Harry split, Sparkle would pull out the "Look what they did for Diana, but why not MEEEE?" on the question of KP.

Much more prudent to keep Sparkle & Dim in their current quarters at Nottingham Cottage for now. That was where William and Kate lived until AFTER Prince George was born.

Why should Harry & Sparkle get that big apartment for just the two of them and he only 6th in line?

And, lest we forget, it was Princess Michael who was promoting the idea of pushing the Gloucesters out of apartment 1. (Yes, I know they volunteered.) Despite stories to the contrary, it seems as if the Queen's cousins are still in their apartment.

[quote]Sparkle would pull out the "Look what they did for Diana, but why not MEEEE?" on the question of KP.

Who would honestly care? She's a lot of things. She's no Diana.

Diana went out in a blaze of sympathy. Fergie went out in a blaze of scorn. How do you reckon Meagain will be shown the door?

It is curious in that video how although Charles has his word with Harry, he doesn't acknowledge MeMe in any fashion.

The grandson of the late Duchess of Alba was married and his wife had a very simple dress.

Camilla seems to pointedly step in and ameliorate for the cameras by bidding both Haz and Bean a send off.

I am keenly interested to see whether the Hazbeans do in fact receive a renovated Apt 1.

MEagain should try some color in her wardrobe. Crown Princess Mary of Denmark (another petite woman) wore this beautiful red dress recently.

She looks like shit. Where are the tendrils? Why isn't she massaging her hair?

R524 I think she will be turfed out with a fucking great sigh of relief.

The article claiming that Apart. 1 will be Sparkle and Harry's also claims that the Gloucesters have relocated. But the Gloucesters have NOT relocated and are in Apt. 1 still.

All comparisons of Sparkle to Diana are ridiculous. She can't pull a Diana when she leaves. Diana was a nineteen year old fiancee' of a Prince of Wales nearly 13 years older. That is a huge part of her storyline. The public saw her marry Prince Charles as a literal ingenue, just out of her teens at the time of her wedding, completely fresh-faced. She gave birth to the requisite two sons. She also lost a lot of weight and started looking pouty and miserable, but the marriage went on. We watched Charles move into middle-age and Diana grow up.

Meghan is a grown woman who married Harry when she was the same age Diana was when Diana died. She is older than her husband, lots of mileage on her, insisted she was an international citizen and sophisticated. AND she married someone who doesn't matter in the line of succession. Diana was married to the immediate heir and was princess of Wales. The comparisons are ridiculous. If anyone can pull the "I was misled and manipulated" card it would be the ginger-haired Harry whom many fans still think is a boy. He is his mom, Sparkle isn't his mom. He's the one who knows how to work the cameras, play innocent, press a button and display the common touch. Even though his friends have (as unnamed sources) told various journalists over time that he is massively entitled, very much younger than his age, and extremely immature. He is the one who, if the marriage hits the rocks, can play the forlorn card. Not a marginal actress from L.A. who made a show of not even trying to fit in, whose hunger for attention and dislike of anyone else taking the spotlight were visible from space, and who also lacked the common touch and people skills that make spoiled, mercurial people popular with the public. It's Harry who is Diana, or can pretend to be.

R533 has a point. It’s weird MM plays little miss coy, when her public persona before was more authority on everything. Today show needs food expert? It’s me!! UN needs outspoken courageous feminist, fashion guru on daytime tv? It’s ME!!!

I do it all and I am everything to EVERYONE. people LOVE me and I can play them like a fiddle. Oh sweet gingery prince, I’m so timid and sweet, how do you shake a stranger’s hand?

She has the coloring that she'd probably look very good wearing some nice jewel tones: emerald green or sapphire blue, for example. I can't understand her fixation on wearing black or neutral colors all the time. For public events, the public actually wants to SEE the Royals in attendance.

MM's signature colours. Sure to dazzle the Australians.

R516 - Your comment is a classic example of confirmation bias: an equerry WAS the person in the video who first tapped Harry on the shoulder - it wasn't Charles. Watch the footage again. The aide or equerry taps Harry on the shoulder, clearly reminding him of something, likely the time, Harry nods as if he's just remembered, then goes over to his father and takes his leave, with his sashaying Look At These Hips! Duchess in his wake.

If the BRF wanted to put the best face on things a few bloody days after the wedding, why would an old hand like Charles in a fucking public venue with all eyes on the newly married couple do something like that? It would hardly be productive - if something's that wrong, their instincts are to lie about it and keep it hidden, not advertise it a few days after the wedding.

It's an aide/equerry who goes over to Harry to tell him it's time to leave, not Charles.

R512 - I'll bet it will have a merengue bottom, though: she's short and squat, and what she needs is a fitted bodice, long fitted sleeves, a low square neckline, and a fuller skirt to give her some shape. The October timeframe will work for her, she won't (hopefully) be tempted to do a fitted but strapless top that will show her fat arms. And, I assume, a train.

She does have lovely colouring, it's her strong point - it used to be tradition that royal brides didn't cover their faces with their veils, but the magical bride thing probably did away with that. Neither the Queen nor her sister nor her mother wore veils in front when they married.

Assuming she wears the York tiara, that will give her some hot.

Fergie's dress was very mid-eighties. The merengue sleeves worked better on her than they did on Diana. It was overall a better dress. When Diana turned around in that dress, the meal bag sleeves made her look like a giant square. You would think a woman of 5'10" with legs five miles long couldn't get lost in a wedding dress, but somehow the Emanuels managed it.

*give her some HEIGHT.

R539

R529 - It's a great dress on Mary. I don't like everything she wears, but this dress does for her what Meghan's dresses don't: the wrapped middle over tiered layers in the long skirt gives Mary the waist she doesn't have, the colour is vivid but not acidic or blinding, and works with her dark hair and eyes. The hair is perfect with the rest of the look - she looks . . . grownup and royal.

Occasionally, Mary overdoes it with prints, which she has a fondness for, but most of the time, especially in evening wear, she knows what to do.

We have yet to see Sparkle in full evening wear, which I am assuming will be coming up shortly at one of the two galas for Charles' 70th birthday, one of which HazBean will apparently miss as they will still be Down Under.

I do love Yuge's pointed "It will be a British designer . . ."

R513 - Eugenie doesn't have the height or slim hips for the new Pss. Nicolas's gown. I disagree with the poster below yours though who said it was worse than MM;s - the panels around the sheath dress give the plain dress sophistication that MM's lacked, and the detailing on the cuffs is also lovely - the material looks much more luxurious and expensive. I would have opted for a lower neckline, but as it is, this dress achieves the slightly nunlike, but still sophisticated look MM was trying for. MM's dress sent the peculiar message of "costume" - something put on to hide something , rather than to celebrate something. What MM was trying to play down under the simple dress was her divorced status, her age, the aura of "too much backstory" she carries, and the obvious ambivalence surrounding the wedding. She had to do plain and forgettable lest her "having" nature was too evident.

R541 we’ve seen the engagement dress, a full evening dress in the middle of the afternoon.

R513 That dress is worse than Meghan's.It's way too plain and too conservative.Too boring.

R544 - LOL. Maybe she'll recycle it for Charles's birthday gala, whichever one it is she and Haz are scheduled to attent.

R545 - We'll have to agree to disagree on that. I thought it was classy and elegant in the way Sparkle was aiming for but missed.

And the thing about wedding gowns is, sometimes memorable isn't the way you want to go. You don't want the dress to wear the bride.

Maxima of The Netherlands is a big rangy girl without a terrific figure, and Valentino did her wedding dress to (then) Crown Prince Willem. Again, a very plain but beautifully tailored gown with a high collar and 3/4 length sleeves for a winter wedding. She's not particularly pretty but she looked better at her wedding than I would ever have thought possible.

One day I may figure out how to post images, so I can explain myself.

Both the current Danish princesses wore lovely but very different wedding gowns. Mary's was particularly unusual and, again, gave her the waist she lacks, had a boat neck and very unusual panels over lace insets flaring out in the skirt. The neckline and the panels drew the eye away from her dull midsection perfectly, the material was sumptuous. Her sister in law Marie wore a beautiful gown with lace bodice and a full skirt, and it is this sort of outline that Yuge should really be following, in my view.

For the record, the very stylish Letizia took a terribly wrong turn in her wedding dress. She is fine boned and small and the heavy material and design absolutely swamped her. I think the brief was to make her look regal, instead she looked overwhelmed - and it was a humid day in Madrid in May. Of all these brides, Letizia should have gone for a filmy glittering sheath. The dress would have been spectacular on a taller fuller woman, I don't say it wasn't a beautiful design - just wrong for the delicate, fine-boned Letizia.

And a P.S. to my comments on Letizia's wedding dress above: the train had a rounded back rather than a straight one. The result was that as she walked down the aisle, the thing kept rolling up under itself because of the rounded back, the poor bridesmaids kept struggling with it all the way down the aisle. It is the kind of detail that doesn't occur when the designer is drawing, but only reveals itself when the dress is on and has to go down the aisle. It spoilt the whole look of the thing.

R526 That is one of the worst wedding dresses ever IMO.Her hair looks awful,I've seen Meghan with better hair.

R529 Mary is probably my favourite royal and I like 80% of what she wears but I don't like that dress,the colour is stunning but the top part is weird and the ruffles look too fussy.

R538, the Equerry taps Harry's shoulder to let him know Charles wants a word.

Congrats to you for learning the meaning of the term "Confirmation Bias" but perhaps pace yourself, lest you come off as a shining example of Dunning Kruger.

R549 - I have to agree with you on the dress for the Alba wedding.

I have seen gowns I like better on Mary, but the thing is, it still works - she looks like a Crown Princess, the wrapped waist is very good, the colour is very good, and the gown is chosen for the same reason most of her gowns are - to give her a waist. I rather like the tiers below but I will agree that it isn't the most beautiful gown she has ever worn.

R550 - Dear me, are we showing off with the Dunning Kruger reference or aren't we? Takes one to know one, dear.

Given that I am correct about the equerry in the video, I believe I'll take my chances calling "confirmation bias".

R547's Valentino wedding gown for Maxima. (Sorry for the lack of detail).

Kate is not in my top 5 favourite royals(not that I've a list)but she wore the best royal wedding dress IMO.

R553 - Thanks for posting the image. You get the idea. I think Maxima's wedding look is also like what Meghan was aiming for - plain gown with the spectacular details in the veil. But Kelly is no Valentino. Maxima's dress is perfectly fitted the material is gorgeous. She looks very elegant and very regal.

Re the garden party. Below is the link to the video. Judge for yourselves.

It appears that there are several men who act in guiding Prince Charles, Camilla, and Prince Harry through the crowd of people at the party. Each of these men appears to be holding a list of names that he consults so that he can inform the person he is guiding. They are all dress in formal black and often either carrying or wearing a top hat.

Watching the video one can see that the man associated with Charles is wearing a lilac colored tie. The man associated with Camilla is wearing a yellow tie. And the man associated with Harry is wearing a peach colored waistcoat (aka a vest to Americans) with a dark red tie.

Once the video shifts over to focus on Harry, there are jumps in the video which I took to indicate a short time jump.

At the 3:35 mark, you can see red tie whisper to Harry, who returns to the group he was talking to until around the

4:15 mark when Harry bids goodbye to that group and red tie guides Harry & Sparkle over to another group of people. Red tie assists as he reads off names of people shaking hands with H&S.

At the 5:20 mark, Harry bids goodbye to group and red tie guides Harry over to next set of people and red tie begins introductions.

At 5:47 mark, you can see lilac tie quickly step over and he appears to quickly talk to red tie.

At 6:44 mark, red tie touches Harry on back/shoulder and this time Harry turns around and red tie points off to the right. Harry quickly looks back to the group and immediately begins backing away from the group and then quickly turns and takes a long step over to Prince Charles. Charles touches Harry on the back, Harry responds with a sweep of his hand, Camilla walks up, kisses Harry, then Sparkle and walks off following Charles.

At 7:10 mark, Harry & Sparkle begin to leave, stopping briefly to shake hands with red tie, who bows. H&S leave with S doing her sashay walk, followed by some of the black suited men.

OK, OK, perhaps more than you wanted to know, but Harry's reaction to red time touching him on the back/shoulder got an instant look around from Harry and once he heard what red tie said, Harry reacted immediately.

Interesting to watch. Perhaps the touch on the back indicates a more important message than just "time to move to the next group".

R554 - I agree - of the more recent crop, I thought her gown was spectacular. My only quibble was the cone-boobs. It could have been softer in that area. But the material, the lace bodice, the high collar, the fitted sleeves, the bustle, the scalloped panels, and the understated veil were just gorgeous.

I hated the dresses of Charlene of Monaco, and all three of the gowns in the Swedish royal weddings. Madeleine's milkmaid dress was the biggest disappointment, given she is by far the most beautiful princess in Europe of her age/ With her looks, that that was the best Valentino could come up with, was staggering. And it's the same designer who did Maxima's. Go figure.

I don't know if anybody is familiar with the whole "Kibbe body types" trend, but it's a system that categorizes people according the how much yin (feminine) and yang (masculine) lines they have in their body. There's bone structure and then there's "flesh" (features is what's meant by that. "Romantic" is kind of a rare type. It's completely feminine with no yang at all. And while long legs are a desirable attribute in women, for Kibbe purposes they are "yang" while short legs are yin. Marilyn Monroe is a romantic kibbe type - if you look at her face she doesn't even have bone structure - it's all soft, feminine curves in her face. They are mostly hourglass. Sophia Loren is a "dramatic" type despite her va va voom figure because her bone structure is so strong - strong jaw, strong nose and brow, long strong limbs and skeleten. For the Kibbe system she is a "flamboyant dramatic" type because of all her "yang" lines coupled with almost OTT yin facial features like huge eyes and extremely full lips. A youtube talking about this showed Loren in a fluffy meringue ball gown, strapless. She looked ridiculous (although you could tell she was beautiful) because the dress was hyper feminine, fluffy, soft, etc.

Anyway, although Diana's wedding dress was oddly proportioned - TONS of sleeve and neckline, weirdly truncated skirt, then massive train, the real problem is she was a tall, long limbed, strong-boned woman and the Emanuels made a dress for a romantic ingenue type, someone hyper feminine with no strong lines. Diana was ALL strong lines, and they were swamped in that dress. The dress was fighting her.

Disappointed Eugenie's wedding dress designer is not Erdem. But I'm looking forward to her dress because she's not timid. It should be a spectacle, but appropriate.

I loved Madeleine's dress. The only thing wrong with it was one of the sleeves kept sliding off her shoulder. At least it stayed up during the ceremony. I don't like stiff wedding dresses. Didn't like Victoria's. Hate the royal robes type look. Grace Kelly's is still the gold standard. The key details are the cummerbund which really defined her waist and perfected her proportions, and the juliette cap that anchored her veil. I liked Catherine's but thought the bodice was too stark. It fit perfectly, but was so closely fitted it emphasized how thin she had become. I thought it could have used some softness.

I liked Mary's wedding dress. It looked sumptuous, but what the fuck was that over-sized pouf under her veil... batting?

The champagne color was very becoming to Mary's complexion.

I loved Charlene of Monaco and Victoria of Sweden‘s dresses the most. Simplicity always looks right and lace is just so fussy and dated.

If you like simplicity then Crown Princess of Norway Mette Marit's dress is up your alley, unusually bridal bouquet notwithstanding.

[quote] "One day I may figure out how to post images, so I can explain myself."

R547

To post a pic, you can:

right click on the image, and click on "copy image address"*, then click your cursor in "Web Site Link" field (just above Post button), right click and "Paste" ,

or

right click on image, then click on "open image in new tab",* then copy & paste the entire URL ( including the http : // ) into "Web Site Link" field.

( The latter option would allow you to see the size of the image your readers will be viewing when they click the Preview generated image at the bottom of your post. If large, it may show details worthy of emphasis otherwise easily missed - i.e., the dander on MeAgain's head & shoulders pic posted a few weeks ago. )

( * your browser may use slightly different verbiage within the "right click" selection box. )

Enter only the image's entire URL - no description or title.

It should generate a preview of the image even before you click "Post".

Only one image per reply, so multiple images would each require their own reply.

That's all there is to it.

^ R564 con'td (lost 2nd half of post due to URL example.)

or

right click on image, then click on "open image in new tab",* then copy & paste the entire URL into the "Web Site Link" field.

( * right click verbiage may vary with browser )

The image will usually be Preview generated even before you Post.

Only one image per reply.

That's all there is to it.

^ grrrrrr...

2nd half of R564 didn't appear until after I posted it again at R565.

sorry - DL glitch.

disregard R565

No good deed goes unpunished r566, especially on DL. Glitches are DL’s way of being passive aggressive.

Back to natural dignity... Samatha Markle has dropped by KP uninvited....

Sammy is bat shit crazy but I'm going to confess I like her chutzpah. And, I kind of think I get where her rage is coming from. Meagain was the poor little blow in of her family, and judging by her early attempts at recognition (dishwashing liquid equality? Puhlease!), she was most likely a pain in the arse upstart who demanded alll of Daddy Markle's attention and money. She also strikes me as the kind of nasty little sister who would have been sweet as pie in front of Daddy-o but then a malicious and manipulative little cunt to her older siblings, all the while playing the innocent little lamb. And then, despite Sam's lunacy, she seems ro have some morals. I'll bet she never resorted to the casting couch whereas we know Smegs fucked her way to KP. That must be infuriating, to have played by the rules, stuck by Dad through thick and thin only to watch the asshole baby sister lie, cheat, scam and fuck her way to the top only to drop the old sap who gave her everything. Yeah, I know some of you will flame me but I am Team Sam.

Samantha's wittering is distasteful, largely groundless, hugely opportunistic and, I think, quite harmful to Meagain, by association. Initially the reaction would be to feel sorry for her, being so attacked and embarrassed by her own mannerless relations. Eventually, when they won't go away (which they won't, apparently) she somehow becomes guilty by association. She's associated with this grim bunch of whiners. Maybe it's part of her evident insecurity in public. She knows she's never going to fit in entirely even if she's married in formally.

I asked someone I know about the aristocrats he knows and how they were different and he said it was utter self confidence, based largely on who they are or were or what have you. But if your great great great great great great great great grandfather was at Trafalgar or Blenheim or Hastings and you are welcome in a house with two hundred rooms, you have a certain sense of self.

Meagain will never have that inherent confidence no matter who she married nor how long that marriage might last. Which since the 1990s isn't guaranteed in the Royal Family.

Well, Fergie's aristocratic. I wouldn't say she has ever exuded self-confidence.

Question -if someone in Harry, Andy's or Edward's position married a professional woman with a good career, would his wife have to abandon her career and accompany him on his royal duties, or could she continue with her own work?

No, it transcends individual make up, because you can easily and rightly argue Diana wasn't self confident either. But Diana, like Fergie and all of 'em, knows where they belong and sails through that taking it for granted.

R572, I think it would be tough, depending on the job, because royalty is supposed to avoid the political, conflict with the government of the day and scandal as much as possible. Sophie Wessex tried to sustain her PR company but got set up in a gossip sting. Edward tried to keep his film production company running but wasn't very good at it and couldn't hack the press attention pointing that out. A properly working royal would have to ride out the storm of novelty, which could be done. I think the biggest barrier would be level of seniority. Kate could not be a working woman. Meagain could work but it would almost have to be philanthropic, like running a charity (but even that is potentially political if you hands on. Remember the flap about Diana and the landmines.). But loads of junior members of the European royal families work, although often overseas.

I agree with your assessment, R569, but isn't Sammy taking her grudge so far as to jeopardize her SSI and Medicaid, right? The airfare, accommodations, assistants ,nursemaids and incidentals all cost money which may be counted as income against the modest ($800/month in FL?) SSI stipend she receives. More worrisome for someone like her who has chronic health problems is the loss of Medicaid, which will leave her unable to pay for the numerous health/hospital/medication bills that someone with MS accrues on a yearly basis. The money she receives from tabloids and money for her travels to England or wherever she might go will likely count as income and probably do not come close to covering the enormous medical costs someone with a chronic, debilitating illness accrues even in a single year. And she cannot count on immediate family for help as it seems she is estranged from her own children. Of course, she may be a chronic malingerer.

R572 - Prince Edward's wife Sophie Rhys Jones was in PR and if I remember correctly she continued her career for a while until she was busted trying to use her royal title for financial gain.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

So if true, she's reverse merching to Soho House. Probably a thank you for the introduction to her putz - prince, sorry.

Its okay for Royals to work as long as it isn't a controversial job. For instance being a banker, lawyer or a politician would be a huge no no, it would have to be something essential benign such as nursing, gardening or the arts.

Doesn't Sam know that Hazza and Megs spend their weekends at their country pile, with the Clooneys in Italy, or in whatever city is getting a new Soho House.

You're a sad bunch.

[quote]Well, Fergie's aristocratic. I wouldn't say she has ever exuded self-confidence.

Fergie exudes a whole lot of trash.

R568 LMAO. That photo op wasn't even at the palace gates, it was at the north gate of Kensington Palace Gardens, a completely separate road parallel to the palace, the guard they handed the note to has no connection the palace at all. Sadly tho every tabloid is running it now as if she tried to storm the Palace.

R581 - Hey, we're having a blast. If you're not having any fun, move on.

Re the Kibbe body type, I don't know how much creedence I give to the yin/yang bit, but I'll agree that the Emanuels completely fucked up and designed a dress that fought the body it was on. That said, Diana's facial structure was much softer during the pre-engagement phase; if you look at photos of her in the weeks just after the engagement, she looks almost childlike, with those soft round cheeks, and don't forget the magnificent dewy complexion. But by the time she to to the altar, the anxiety and bulimia and weight loss had worn much of that away. From the neck down, though, absolutely correct: the emphasis should have been on her long graceful limbs, her height, her large eyes and beautiful skin, not her nonexistent waist and all the ruffles, sequins, furbelows, puffy sleeves, and bows. The dress was the opportunity of the century and turned out tragic.

I hated Mette-Marit's dress, too. But seeing the photo of Mary's dress reminds me just how beautiful and unusual in design it was, and how perfect for her body type. The "pouf" under her veil referred to upthread was a hairpiece. Mary like Kate has abundant dark brown hair, but it probably wasn't enough give the height needed for the tiara and the antique lace veil. It was probably a matter of proportion, especially given the long chandelier diamond and pearl earrings that were a wedding present - her own hair just wouldn't have gotten high enough. Dane Frank Uffe designed Mary's dress, with some input from Queen Margrethe, I heard. I believe his studio is based in Rome. And one reason for the champagne coloured duchesse satin was the TV lights, but the other was the faded antique veil, which Queen Margrethe wore, her sisters wore, and her mother wore. Antique lace doesn't play well with white or silver grey, so champagne-ivory it had to be.

Also agree that Kelly's dress by Helen Rose is the gold standard, and I think Kate's dress was clearly based on it, only without the cummerbund wrap, which Kate didn't need as she's small waisted. It also would have emphasised her long torso, which Kate also wants to avoid.

The poster who loved Madeleine's dress and I will just have to agree to disagree. I thought her dress fussy, undistinguished, and milk-maidy.

Pss. Stephanie of Luxembourg wore a gorgeous lace overlay dress by Elie Saab - very sexy, I thought, very grownup.

Sparkle's gown was pathetic next to most of these.

Some disjointed comments:

Moral of the story - be careful who you ghost.

Beware of posting your tales of your idyllic childhood with Pa to your social media. People might actually believe all the shit you shovel and expect you to behave accordingly.

Spending your free time (if true) with Clooney and his fame whore wife. Ewwww! Do the women compare techniques for spotting the nearest camera and posing for same?

If Pa Markle dies, Sparkle will be sure to show up at his funeral, weeping copious tears while smiling bravely into whatever cameras she can find. Dim will hover nervously, wondering who all these strange people are and hoping none of them are his children's relatives. Samantha will lock the cemetery gates to keep out the Sparkle & Dim bunch and the cops will be called.

Being prepared as we approach 600 posts...

Here is the next thread.

That article at r577 is unintentionally hilarious. Yuge went to visit Sparkle last month to get help planning her wedding? Yuge who is the daughter of a prince, granddaughter of a queen, has two parents in constant contact, has planned the wedding since last year? That wedding needs the Sparkle touch?

LMFAO

Oh, Sparkle, the best example of good taste and style.

Or maybe not.

PR working overtime.

Eugenie didn't ask Sparkle for any advice. She already KNEW who the BRITISH designer was going to be and what kind of dress she wanted. If she'd ask anyone for advice it would be her mother Sarah who had a bigger royal wedding than Eugenie will have next week. These writers must stay up all night trying to figure out what lies to spew. At least if you're going to lie, they should make it more convincing.

Samantha's awful,even her kids don't speak to her.She's no better than Meghan.

Quite a crew for the trip Down Under.

R591 - It will be interesting to see if Nutmeg has the endurance and the stamina for so many royal duties. She's not used to working that hard since marrying Dimwit. Will the stilettos be replaced by more sensible shoes?

R591 Still it will be a shit show. A SHIT SHOW.

R569 I’m with you. It is spun to be an exquisite goddess emerged from trash family. Remember, they’ve known her since birth. When brother warned PH about marrying his sister, it confirmed my strong instinct that she was disingenuous, to put it nicely. She fucked over her family, threw them under the bus, and they’re calling BS on it, instead of skulking away as MM would like. After she fucks people over, she expects no consequence. Say it like it is family!!

She should ditch the hairdresser... she's got two looks: up or down with dangling tendrils.

The absence of a stylist will be noticeable. Hilarious, but noticeable.

On this Thanksgiving weekend I'm giving thanks for my superior tendril.

#gratitude #blessed #knowswherethebodiesareburied

5th November is bonfire time in the U.K. when they burn an effigy (a Guy) on top of the fire. There is a tradition in many places to make the effigy an unpopular figure of the day, I wonder when MEAgain will make her first appearance?

R597, That's a British custom that baffles me. I mean, I sort of know the origins, but the tradition sort of creeps me out. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if American Halloween is confusing to people outside the US.

5th November commemorates the attempt by Guy Fawkes to blow up the Houses of Parliament. It’s a fun night with bonfires and fireworks on a cold fall night.

They’ve celebrated hallowe’en for a long time in Britain, I don’t think they’re confused by it. It came to us from Europe after all.

The US didn't invent Halloween, we've had it for a few thousand years in the UK, It's linked to the Celtic Samhain festival which is probably Neolithic.