Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

ThWhen will it Be Mushroom Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/21/18) e Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41)1) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Some Mueller news carried over from the last thread:

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Oh, great, r4. Now when federal employees travel to NYC, they can stay at the Trump apartment instead of wasting money on hotels.

When the Dems have the Presidency and hold majorities in the House and Senate in 2020 and if RBG opts to retire, we need to nominate Obama for her seat. Not because he the most "qualified," but because his mere presence will cause the Repugs heads to explode. We will confirm him in a single month (or less) after providing a 100,000 page document dump the night before the confirmation hearing. We will throw out any regard to precedent and set aside rules. We will have him prepare a highly barbed statement right in their faces.

In short, we will enjoy ramming Barack Obama down their collective throats! I believe the Obamas will love his lifetime appointment and they get to keep their house in DC. I can see his eloquent and poetic decisions being written out, unlike the stunted drunk bullying frat boy with wretched handwriting scrawls describing his dissenting opinion.

I love that idea...but he wouldn't go for it. I wish he could be a Senator, again.

Why don't Supreme Court Justices ever die young? Is it because they have the perfect job?

Why would Obama not want to be a Supreme?

r7, You really want to see Deplorable heads explode?

Have the Democratic president nominate HILLARY or MICHELLE.

That would be their worst nightmare...[html removed]

I'm so disgusted by Collins. The media is portraying her as a hero and that she made the most reasoned argument for voting for Kav. Ugh. I hate the NY Times. Right next to it is an article justifying Trump having reason to brag! The best week of his presidency

Stop reading the NYT. This is the same NYT that tried to get Rosenstein fired a few weeks back. They are only doing the bidding of their corporate masters and their conservative agenda.

Fuck the NYT.

Chris Hayes, re: the Republicans' lionizing of Kavanaugh as a "good, decent man":

Something I think about a lot is that the longest serving Republican speaker in American history turned out to be a child molester. And basically everyone who worked with him thought he was a great guy.

An exasperated President Trump picked up the phone to call the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, last Sunday. Tell the F.B.I. they can investigate anything, he told Mr. McGahn, because we need the critics to stop.

Not so fast, Mr. McGahn said.

Mr. McGahn, according to people familiar with the conversation, told the president that even though the White House was facing a storm of condemnation for limiting the F.B.I. background check into sexual misconduct allegations against Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh, a wide-ranging inquiry like some Democrats were demanding — and Mr. Trump was suggesting — would be potentially disastrous for Judge Kavanaugh’s chances of confirmation to the Supreme Court.

And McGahn is leaving so he gives zero fucks how all this looks.

Fuck them all.

So r15, they KNEW that a REAL investigation into the allegations against Kavanaugh would uncover things that would put his nomination in jeopardy, so they were determined to keep the FBI investigation as limited as possible.

What a bunch of cretins. And most (but not all) of the population fell for it.

To hell with all of them.

R14, no one seems to remember Dennis Hastert. All I ever hear about is how evil Nancy is; at least she wears gorgeous pearls, and has kept her hands to herself.

I am wishing pancreatic cancer for Kavanaugh.

Look at it this way, at least Rosenstein is still in his job. Trump got out distractioned for once.

Best week of Trump’s presidency. So it’s all downhill from here?

don't tarnish your own soul by wishing ill on anyone. it will come soon enough for them.

I keep thinking everything is about to go hell because Trump is such an idiot, and yet.... when is it going to happen? When does he start losing big time? How does he keep skating along, getting his way, without obvious consequences? I’m past tired of his winning.

r23 I am having the same problem. I know this is going to end soon and things will change drastically but each day things look better and better for him. Even the election is now going to be difficult. How can a man have so much damned luck that things just fall into place for him. But I will not give into it.

[quote]...because we need the critics to stop.

Good luck with that, Trumpy. After BK is confirmed you'll look back on 'the critics' before that wistfully. Like the moronic inferno of your base, but with sanity, 'the critics' will be exponentially energised.

It's useful to know though that as 'President' you can't take 'the critics', and think you can get them to stop. They've barely even started.

In any other year, with any other "President", NYT's expose of his lifetime tax evasion and mass corruption would be getting 24hr wall-to-wall coverage. Instead, it registered barely a blip while the wall-to-wall continued with Kavanaugh. Un-fucking-believable!!

I don’t get why nobody seems to care about the corruption and tax evasion story. He obtained his fortune illegitimately and squandered a lot of itand now somehow he is POTUS. Talk about the world’s greatest showman! What a colossal scam.

[quote]NYT's expose of his lifetime tax evasion and mass corruption would be getting 24hr wall-to-wall coverage. Instead, it registered barely a blip

It'll hardly be forgotten. It's not like a big movie with a bad opening weekend, doomed to fail. It's more citable deep research to use and bring up against the criminal - along with so much else - when the time is right. (Which is admittedly, always.) It's not as though Mueller will regard such research as beyond his terms of reference.

[quo te]I don’t get why nobody seems to care about the corruption and tax evasion story.

Because it's huge and complex and hard to understand. It needs a spokesperson framing the Republican way: simple for stupid. You started to do that with 'he obtained his fortune illegitimately.' That's the idea that needs to be pounded in. Fuck the detail.

The Democrats need to start deploying talking heads that talk in the same style as Republicans: simple for stupid. There's no discipline in Dem talking heads... they've all got to beat their own drums. Watch CNN. The Repugs have their talking points down. The Dems just talk about whatever is bugging them from whatever perspective.

^^ Good point!

The tax evasion story would have been huger if it had broke after this mess with the nomination was completed and died down

So of the GOP keeps the Senate, does that mean Mueller's report can be suppressed or at least heavily redacted? Or could a Dem-controlled House make sure that doesn't happen?

Eric Swalwell: Devin Nunes buried evidence on Russian meddling to protect Trump. I know because I’m on the committee.

Just last week, hours before the Republican-led House recessed for six weeks, Nunes broke out his shovel yet again to bury even deeper the evidence of Russian interference, once again demonstrating there’s no distance he won’t go to protect this president.

House Intelligence Committee Democrats asked to immediately send the committee's interview transcripts to Special Counsel Robert Mueller, who hasn’t been allowed to see them under Nunes’ rules. There’s good reason to believe many witnesses committed perjury or offered information relevant to the special counsel’s work. But Nunes opposed it, and it was voted down.

Though incomplete due to Republican obstruction, our investigation did reveal worrisome contacts between the Russians and candidate Trump, his family, his businesses, and his campaign. Yet every time we sought to learn more, we were blocked. We sought to test witnesses’ accounts by subpoenaing third-party records such as cell phone, bank and travel records. Republicans refused to allow it.

To arrange the infamous June 9, 2016 Trump Tower meeting, Donald Trump Jr. called his Russian contact, then called a blocked number, and then called his Russian contact back. We had evidence from other witnesses that Donald Trump used a blocked number. Republicans refused to pursue whether it was the same number.

More at link.

R32 I doubt it. The Dem House would have its own authority to investigate any shenanigans at the Justice Department overseeing the Mueller investigation, and the GOP Senate would have to coordinate with the Justice Department to do any sort of cover up for Trump. Trump needs every parts of the government to be in his/GOP control to be safe for the next two years.

Pres Tre45on is not some evil genius. Conservatives have been slowly poisoning the well against the media, our institutions and other things with their relentless propaganda and highly skilled talking points for decades. Every single Repug talks the same way, uses the same language, speaks the same message. They are lemmings. None of them can think for themselves.

Democrats and Liberals are not this way. We are far more independent thinkers. That is our weakness in a way. We can never behave like Repugs. Not even Manchin.

Dump isn't winning. Mueller has the goods on this sack of shit and the Repugs.

This is a dark day every bit as much as Nov 9, 2016. We just installed a true sociopath to the SC. Elections have consequences. Please remember this next time you think you are choosing between the lesser of two evils or "equally" bad choices. One side is truly evil and that was revealed in spades this week.

R33 why doesn't some brave patriotic pissed off Democrat leak all of this information to Mueller. verbally let him know what's up. meet in a dark parking garage-whatever. chop chop Eric.

How is everyone coping with today? I feel so hopeless and depressed and, honestly, incredibly sickened by the sheer depravity of this Kavanaugh situation. I live in D.C. and it’s very overcast and glum out today for which I’m very thankful. I have been sitting on the couch eating comfort food and watching bad TV. Just trying to stay away from any coverage of this. I’m having a very strong presentiment.

A friend of mine called last night and revealed to me that he had been raped while traveling abroad some years ago. He said that the one thing he couldn’t forget was how the man drove him back to his hostel afterward and was almost too nice on the way back sort of like, if he was nice it would make up for what had just happened. He told me that the last couple of weeks, he had started to realize that the trauma of the assault has had a lasting impact on him, his inability to be in a relationship or trust people (he was adopted from an orphanage at age two and already carries some baggage about that, but I think this has compounded it for him). I told him that I loved him and we managed to move onto other topics. I feel so awful for him and for all survivors of sexual violence today. I can’t imagine how awful today is for them.

R37, I’m just even angrier now than I was before, and I donated quite a bit of money today to various democratic candidates. We need to fight.

We can't depend on Mueller or anyone up at the top, as valuable as his work is and is going to be. The strength needs to come from below and in numbers.

I have a deplorable cousin who was diagnosed with a brain tumor. So there's that. I told his mother I felt so bad for them and wished him God speed. I meant it, but I also thought:"What goes around comes around." This guy is a pig. He is a vile, racist homophobic shit heel.

Also wanted to add that they fired him from his job because he was always picking fights with other workers.

Dems should go by this motto: Help yourself so that others can help you.

Meaning, the Dems should first and foremost learn to vote in elections. Then ask for Mueller and whoever to do their job.

Not sure if this has been posted, but it's a good read.

The fucking coup d'etat HAS happened...I feel so fucking angry! We are fucked for YEARS TO COME with this shitheel on the SCOTUS. We need to take it into the streets. and to protest at every opportunity, or democracy in the United States is dead.

Apologies if this has been posted already.

My highly apolitical wife just said “fuckin Susan Collins, man. She’s such a piece of shit.”

I just got this message in my email:

[quote]Just a few hours ago, Senate Republicans voted to CONFIRM Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court.

[quote]But as Kavanaugh himself told Senate Democrats at last week's hearing, "what goes around comes around" – and it's coming around for Trump and the Republicans sooner than anyone imagined.

[quote]Something incredible is happening right now - from the moment the Senate vote finished, donations started POURING IN to support Democratic state legislators and knock Trump's allies from power all over the country. Just LOOK how fast they're coming in!

Good r47, but it will all mean nothing if we don't come out and VOTE on Nov 6th too.

Preach r39. I am a huge Mueller fan and supporter, but Mueller’s success is totally separate from the success of the People. The American People created much of this, ergo only the People can make the needed correction.

Kavanaugh’s life as he knew it is closed — his existence from now until the grave will be tormented. I don’t believe he’ll die early from his drinking, many Mick’s have astounding tolerance for alcohol over many many decades. And ironically, I actually wish him a very long life, as I believe it will be one of public torment, ostracization, and revulsion. That is quite satisfying to me. Let him use mental gymnastics to rationalize why he is so hated, the energy of coping will be painful and draining to Bart.

Right now many women are rage-filled, and even some men. My hope is that we continue to deliver a message to men that allows them to see that our loss is everyone’s loss. I support Dr. Ford. Having said that, at this time I believe our strategy on O’Kav must be focused strictly on his lies and perjury, as these are indeed provable. We can’t prove Dr. Ford’s and the other women’s claims, but it is easy peasy to point out his numerous acts of perjury, dishonesty, and partisanship, so talk about on those. They cannot be denied.

I just signed up to do a text program on Monday to help register voters. Remember, right now it’s about: vote, donate, volunteer. We each must do all three. We are more vulnerable now that Rethugs are awake again, there’s not a single day to waste before this election.

So do we think Trump fires Rosenstein this week now that the Kav confirmation process is over? Or does he wait until after the elections?

Anything is possible r50. I just don’t know. He may be emboldened and do it, or he may relish in this victory so much that he doesn’t want to give it up quite yet, the attention I mean.

Well, it is too early for Kavanaugh to be the October Surprise...

[quote]Good [R47], but it will all mean nothing if we don't come out and VOTE on Nov 6th too.

I'm really starting to worry about the counting of those votes. There is so much we are not being told about the shenanigans and crimes that went on with the voting in 2016 and nothing has been done.

I signed up to be an election judge, but I landed a new job so I had to pull out.

Is Mark Judge still in Bethany Beach with all his possessions in his car?

I'm concerned about ballot security, suppression and fraud. Definitely. But we have to turn out. Massively. Keep this in mind. I've said it before, but it's worth repeating: Hillary had a perfect storm of shit falling on her. She had a hostile media, she had Comey, she had the Russians, and she had some crooked nasty people running elections in various key states. In spite of all of that and then some, she won the popular vote. Why is that important for the Midterms? Because there is no Electoral College to block us this time. We can overcome a lot with massive turn out.

The other thing worth repeating is for everyone to remember 2010. In 2010, eight short years ago, the Democratic Party was in control of both houses of Congress. But we failed to show up to vote, and we gave them away. That is when this shitslide started. What we are seeing today, is directly related to what happened eight years ago. So SHOW UP. And remember to vote locally. Vote for Democrats up and down the ballot. Governors, Secretaries of State, Attorneys General, judges for the courts, state legislature, everything. Do your research.

Go the the website of your local Democratic Party organizations and find out who has been endorsed. Make sure your registered. Find out the polling place, the times, the required ID. Find out what the rules are and follow them. And when this election is over, we have a lot of fucking work to do. We need to find out what needs to change in every state to make things free and fair. We cannot sit on our asses anymore. We have to be engaged.

We need to learn from the Republicans. THey have this basic overall strategy, they have a masterplan and the have very specific goals. They have a wholea resenal of tactics, and yet they are also supple enough to tweak and adjust things when necessary. IMO sometimes I think the Dems are too vague. Yeah, we have a platform. We want good things and we cannot understand why most people don't want all those same good things. We get frustrated by the "low information voter" who goes against their own interests. But we don't think strategically, and we don't have that insistent determined attitude that says we will get what we want and we will not stop until we do. It's as if we don't really plot and scheme and figure out how to get from point A to point B. The Republicans seem to be playing Chess while we play checkers. They anticipate our moves and figure out ways to make our stuff work in their favor. We have to do a much better job of plotting out our our war plans and implementing them.

I'm going to post this on the other thread too, but it dawns on me that Trump who is a petty vindictive revengeful fucker stuck with Kavanaugh from several reasons. But prominent among them is the fact that Hillary, who is still very much an applause line at Trump rallies, is also very much a part of Kavanaugh's history too. Kavanaugh was obsessed with Vince Foster's death and caused a lot of pain to his family continuing to investigate long after the matter was closed by Ken Starr. The fact that Kavanaugh was part of Ken Starr's team, writing the questions for the deposition, etc. was something Trump had to love knowing about. The connections to the Clintons were what welded Trump to Kavanaugh, not his connections to the Bushes. Kavanaugh even recently was seen calling Hillary a bitch when he was watching her on TV. He's a sick, evil fuck, and his President is one too. It was their mutual hatred of the Clintons that propelled this thing through. Kvanaugh hates her almost as much as Putin.

R58 Men who hate women (whom they don't have power over) is pretty the running theme of all male Trumpies. The women Trumpies are those who kowtow to the men even if it is against their own interests.

R40, he might have been picking fights because of neurological changes from the tumor.

R60 he was always that way.Always a bully, always fighting. He drank and drugged his way through high school and has barely been able to keep a job.

I have a friend with a brain tumor. They took part of it out, but can't take the whole thing out because of where it is. So, it's just kind of a waiting game about when he'll have to go back in for surgery...rinse and repeat. The chemo and radiation wrecked his joints so in his mid-30s he had to have a hip replaced. And he has seizures all the time now. He's one of the nicest fucking I've ever known. Super laid back, witty, funny, creative, loyal, smart. Not everyone with a brain tumor is or becomes a jerk. He lives in Kentucky and their governor is probably going to take away his healthcare and disability; he'll lose his house and the opportunity to have more tumor cut out of his head when needed in order to preserve his life and the quality thereof.

That sucks r62, but I'm curious? Who did he vote for in the presidential election in 2016?

Clinton. He's a smart guy. He's a social progressive who inclines toward moderate democratic policy with a few independent/green/libertarian spikes, as you might expect from a bookworm pothead with advanced martial arts training. Nobody is simple.

R62, that’s depressing as hell. I hope your friend will be OK.

ALL states need to move to Vote By Mail.

There's a phase from repukes I first heard after the Florida school shootings this year. We've got to "harden our schools" by arming teachers and others on campus. I'm hearing it now applied to other situations, too. Harden this, harden that. An online dictionary states the meaning, in part: 3. To make unfeeling, unsympathetic, or callous.

Americans are hardening. We hate each other. I hate scum trump and republicans. Republicans play dirty, we have to lower ourselves to get them at their own level. Just think of all the hate spewed by right-wing media over the years. You just don't hear that on center-left media outlets. There is a civil war afoot. The scum trump government has quietly seceded to the billionaires. No shots have been fired yet, I hope they never are, but I fear what the future will bring with the right wing cheating and lying out in the open and no one stopping it. Yet. Mueller and clean elections may get us back on track, but in the meantime, I'm hardening, and not in a good way.

One very good reason to fight like hell in the next four weeks to achieve a Democratic majority in the House and Senate is to help the cause as the Mueller investigation winds up. The reaction -- or lack thereof -- to the KavaNOPE allegations is precisely the reaction that the Repukes will show towards anything that is going to be in the Mueller report. It is the same reaction that has occurred this week with the NY Times revelation that tRump is a tax fraud and cheated his way to his millions -- basically, nothing. If we don't have a Democratic House and Senate -- or at least one of those -- then our downhill slide away from democracy will pick up speed very quickly.

[quote]I have a deplorable cousin who was diagnosed with a brain tumor.

“Thoughts & Prayers.”

As I said before, not one moral between them. It feels awful to lose everything but I knew it would happen.

Repugs anticipate the public's reaction and launch countermeasures in advance. Just now Dump has alluded that China is going to hack the midterm election which is a month from now. They will definitely meddle in the election and tell their "low information" voters it's China's fault.

A group of women are now a "mob".

We have been living in a police state ever since the Patriot Act, which needs to be discontinued.

Yes, it’s the Chinese, the CHINESE I tell you!

Beware the Yellow Peril.

So. The Senate has been so busy with Kavanaugh, they didn't have time to pass the Elections Security Act of 2018.

The Orange Slime just continues to sink lower and lower.

Last time at yet another rally he made fun of Elizabeth Warren once again for claiming Native American heritage. I would never watch that shit live, but I saw a clip on the news this morning where he mocked her and then said, "I have high cheek bones too, do you think maybe I'm an Indian too?" His crowd just ate it up and went wild.

This man is a POS racist through and through and he must be stopped at all cost.

He passed that bar a long time ago R74 he is America's Hitler.

He's a carnival barker putting on a show while McConnell, Ryan, and his White House Staff and cabinet do us all great harm, and a lot of it is happening under the radar because TrumpNews sucks all the oxygen out of the news coverage. Start checking out special advocacy groups. If you care about the environment, or education, or the impact of the tariffs on the economy, start checking in on groups who are expert in that stuff and you'll see the harm.

Center for Budget and Policy Priorities is a good place to start. They deserve our support too. They're solid, not crazy.

I meant to say "last night" not "last time" in my post above.

Although "last time" kinda works too....maybe?

Yes, he's found that schoolyard mockery is the new Deplorable g-spot, so will keep on pressing, because it makes him feel so strong and popular.

It's humanly degrading to listen to - can't bring myself to watch - and given the copious grotesquerie to choose from, perhaps the most sinister low yet.

May the mockery back be vicious and ceaseless. He deserves no less.

I'm sick of the media covering his latest outrages and giving them more weight than they deserve. Yes he is outrageous ad offensive and dangerous. But sometimes I feel like the media is stoking it, hyping it, and that is irresponsible IMO. I'm not saying pretend he didn't, but there has to be a way to cover it without fueling it.

Will add that the MAGAs and haters are emboldened by crowds of like minded people. Trump is stoking up hatred and division. His mockery is dangerous. There are times I Feel very uncomfortable when I'm in certain areas, moreso than I used to. Much more.

Repugs always refer to to their base, the 33% of voters that will vote Trump even if he shot someone on Fifth Ave. Who are they? They're racist, homophobic, misogynist, mostly white, incels. They are full of anger and rage that their privilege was stolen by the other.

Jeff Bridges was on Maher Friday. he's a sweet guy. Bill called him an old Hippie. But he is absolutely committed to environmental causes especially our oceans, and he has been working on the issue of hunger for more than 30 yrs. He said that while people are all focused on what's going on in Washington, and yeah, they should be, that we also should be focused locally on issues we care about. And we often ignore other ways to get support for an issue if all we do is confront and argue with the opposition. He said the change people's minds and bring them along, you had to undermine them in different ways. Especially in selling them on options that make sense. There is merit in that point of view. Unfortunately he assumes these people are open to reason and so many of them are not. But I do think with the more moderate and the Indies we can certainly make some headway. There are a lot of ways to fight. They don't always have to be the strident, take no prisoners style. Sometimes undermining the opposition is easier. We get short term satisfaction from yelling and from confrontation, but maybe we need to just get busy organizing, informing ourselves and getting the vote out. I just know the more you antagonize people the harder it is for them to admit they are wrong and for them to do the right thing. We have to give them a way out.

Why do we NEVER hear about Trumps siblings ?.....We occasionally hear a reference to his sister the judge.....and his older brother died in the early 80s, but he has another brother and another sister still living.

They probably have changed their names and have gone into hiding.

r84, because they are all complicit with Donnie's tax frauds.

They are currently shitting bricks.

To her credit, Joy Reid talked about Trump's tax shenanigans on her show today, so it hasn't been completely forgotten by everybody in media.

we all need to disengage sometimes. Don't let yourself get so worked up it causes issues.

Turn the fucking news OFF for a few days. Just do it. Watch something else. Go for a walk or better yet, take your dog for a walk - they love that!

Volunteer for a local campaign or for postcards to voters. But don't set around stewing like some fat, toothless deplorable glued to Fux and limpdick. You're smarter than that.

Right now self care should be everyone's top priority. You can't do any body any good if you're having a nervous break down, FFS.

Yes, it's bad. Yes, it's a coup. Yes, we hate the scum and will fight. But there are plenty of us. More of us than them. Take a break. When you return, we will still be here, fighting the good fight.

And when you return, you make it possible for someone else to take a break. This is a long, hard, intense road and shit isn't going to magically change in a month or two. It won't so prepare your self for a long and bloody fight.

Winning the House is just step one.

W/W, r88.

We knew the backlash was coming.....so no whining now because it's so powerful. These people are smart and rich and powerful and with no fucks to give. You beat them by holding to the line of the righteous law, which we thankfully have, and never wavering. I stand with R88 and know this is the ONLY way we will win.

Hang tough, boys and girls. We've got the history in proving it works. I'm tired but not in the least bit complacent. In fact, I'm even more resolved to hang in there and beat these bastards.

First order of business: Hit them where it hurts and stop buying from them. Find out the political persuasion of your favorite retailers and let them know you're boycotting their shit. NYT is learning this lesson right now and don't you believe otherwise. Second: Vote, vote early, vote often and make sure your neighbors get help voting if they need it. Another? Go solar, go electric cars, etc. and pay the tariff prices on goods that are worth it.

I'm sure we can think of other ways. One small way I've done this is by refusing to buy my books from dealers in the South. They have sort of a monopoly. I've also been boycotting LLBean for some time, but made sure they knew it by cancelling my annual winter order. Linda fucking Bean supports Collins and others like her. Make them pay for it.

Tom Nichols: The Kavanaugh confirmation fight revealed the GOP to be the party of situational ethics and moral relativism in the name of winning at all costs. I am out of the Republican Party.

I appreciate what Tom Nichols is doing with that essay, but c'mon... THIS is the moment where they started adopting situational ethics?

R92 Exactly, how many of Bill Clintion biggest male GOP critics turned out to be liars, cheaters and abusers? 90% of them?

R93 Brett is just the latest one. If it took Nichols this long to figure it out, he's even dumb as a rock or he's being facetious.

At least he figured it out...may this portend a tidal wave of reason amongst the unreasonable....ahhhhh, men

From now on, if I run into someone who says they are a sexual assault survivor and they supported Brett, I will laugh and walk away.

Deplorables, I hope your daughters don't get assaulted. Even if they do, I doubt you'd care. As long as Uncle Dump is "winning", right?

R96 Deplorables take amorality to new heights. That's "winning" to them.

R96, there is no sexual assault in the land of family values. Figure that one out for yourself or avoid Montana entirely.

Conservatism has always had huge cult-ish qualities. They are very high on platitudes such as what Nichols just shared. It is kinda sad some of them are finally realizing the true conservatives never really believed in the rule of law, or supported the military. Those were slogans and platitudes that served to lure people into the party. They all sound great but mean nothing. Nichols and his ilk are now finding this out the hard way.

Didn't Hitler eat his own before he turned to killing Jews and gypsies?

Nichols, you in danger gurl!

Avenatti did nothing to change what was long in motion-that is, Kavanaugh on the SC. McConnell said a week before this that BK would be confirmed -that he would plow the nomination straight through. I don't know if Swetnick was credible or not-her allegations were never even looked into and quite honestly as sleazy as BK and friend Mark Judge are-nothing would have surprised me. According to the NY Times Don McGahn told the FBI who and what they could investigate. He wanted very limited investigating because he knew more would likely come out and he wouldn't get his and the Koch brothers nominee on the court.

The Democrats fucked this up starting with Dianne Feinstein and now they want to blame Avenatti. A lot of blame to go around-just don't misplace it.

Oh goodie, the Fienstein troll is back.

It was always a done deal, but now it's more than obvious who the fuck the enemy is. Collins is done. The yellow dog from WV is done. There's always a silver lining....

R101 Let's just admit the FBI is compromised. They never really seriously investigated Kavanaugh to begin with. And the post-Ford investigation was another sham to protect his GOP Senate supporters.

He is evil to the core but Americans seem to love evil. Americans will be getting what they deserve. Unfortunately I will have to suffer with everyone else.

We can't afford to lose a single seat. if you wanted Manchin gone you should have primaried him. Manchin occupies a Democratic seat. If we have a Democratic majority we get to chair the committees, get rid of McConnell, Grassley, etc., and decide who and what to support...and investigate. We need Manchin to win. He occupies a Democratic seat. We need the numbers.

[quote] We can't afford to lose a single seat. if you wanted Manchin gone you should have primaried him. Manchin occupies a Democratic seat. If we have a Democratic majority we get to chair the committees, get rid of McConnell, Grassley, etc., and decide who and what to support...and investigate. We need Manchin to win. He occupies a Democratic seat. We need the numbers.

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This cannot be repeated often enough. Manchin was a shit for making that absurd political calculation and explaining that he would have voted no if Collins and Flake had (WTF??), but that is not the point right now. We simply can NOT lose a single seat. It is going to be an extraordinarily tough challenge to get to 51 seats as it is. We can'r throw one away.

If we wake up on Wednesday, November 7, and find that Manchin lost and we are in a 50-50 tie in the Senate we would have wasted a golden opportunity to put a halt to a lot of bad things the Repukes could make happen. Manchin (and Bredesen in Tennessee who said he would have voted for KavaNOPE) have precisely ONE vote to cast that I care about right now: who is going to the Senate Majority Leader. If their Rethug challengers win, I can assure you they will vote for the McTurtle to remain as Majority Leader.

Chuck Shumer (or whoever the Dems pick), can stop judicial appointments of bad reich-wing judges with the help of the majority on the Senate Judiciary Committee. The Majority Leader can also bottle up awful legislation so Joe Manchin will have much less of a chance to cast a DINO Rethug-lite vote for tRump.

I've seen people all over social media calling for Manchin's head. The time for that was ages ago during the primary. Four weeks before one of the most important mid-term elections ever is not the time to abandon any Democrat who could get us to 51 -- a nearly impossible task as it is.

You know what the problem is, R107? All these newcomers, these Bernbros, these SJWs, these purists who want to throw everyone away, these idiots who make the Democrats throw Franken out of the Senate while the Repugs get Kavanaugh, etc., do not know how the government actually works. I highly doubt that the majority of them realize that by simply getting to 51, we get to chair all the committees. We get subpoena power. We get to stop the judges. We get to stop Trump. We get to kick Grassley, and Graham, and Cornyn, and Cruz, and Hatch squarely in the nuts until they die.

Half these reactionary idiots don't know what they are talking about but, hey, they also don't end up voting, so I guess it's a wash.

It was really stupid that Al Franker left, he had done nothing wrong. He kissed a girl when he should not have, no reason to give up his position. If lowlife Donald did not have to step down, Al should not have left.

It really is Nazi time in America...I don't know if we will come out of it or just get deeper into it. I expect nothing from Mueller, I think we are over. I hope the rest of the world will stand up for what is right.

What would have made the difference in Germany before Nazism prevailed? I know people fought against Hitler but what did history determine they should have done. Whatever it was, we need to start doing it now.

Speaking of boycotts...Facebook exec Joel Kaplan held a congratulations party for Brett Kavanaugh this weekend in DC.

It's a relief to see some reason emerging on DL. Politics is a business of compromise. That's the truth of it.

The fact is, the fucking Republicans out think us when it comes to strategy. We don't take it far enough, for every action there's a reaction We never go the extra step of looking at outcomes and consequences. If we want to beat them we have to out think them and anticipate their actions instead of always reacting. Flake, Grassley, Graham, they played us. We never get into their heads.We keep getting surprised when we ought to know WTF to expect from them by now.

r113, Compromise with these Hitlerian Trumpites? NEVER!

R114, why don't you name some specifics? I see people posting crap like you just posted that it patently untrue but they never actually point out any specifics. Do you not realize we are in the minority in a system that disallows the minority from any power? I think the Dems did pretty damn good for having zero power. Add to that the fact that the Repugs cheat and act illegally. Think about that one, please. The Repug LAWMAKERS act illegally. They are colluding with a foreign power against the nation they represent.

Let me guess, your answer it to impeach everyone, right? Talk about doing something fucking useless since there will be no way to convict in the Senate. Should we just cheat, too? That's brilliant. So, really, what more do you want the Dems to do? Give specifics or shut up.

I like where this thread is going, the talk of strategy. It’s so complex, but that’s the way to win. I am toying with the idea of Durbin to replace Schumer, he showed moxy.

r112 I sure hope Laura Kaplan didn't get in a room with booze-hound Brett Bart. I sure would hate to not believe her when he turns up the music and........I hope she wears a one piece.

I could swear that once upon a time, a SC justice had to get approval from 2/3 of the Senators. Am I crazy? I mean, it is appalling that a justice can be seated in the highest court in the land when half the Senate disapproves.

Fuck you R116. YOu don't get to tell me to shut up. I know exactly what I'm talking about and I posted about it earlier. I gave the example of the hearings. McConnell did not have the votes and if he had insisted on going forward with the voting after Dr. Ford testified he would have lost. Durbin and the other Dems thought they were calling his bluff when they kept repeatedly asking to re open the FBI investigation. Then Flake comes back in and says I agree. I think we should. And he has Collins and Manchin and WTF ever joining him. Murkowski. Suddenly Flake is agreeing with the Dems. Everyone is OMG! Bi-PArtisan. Yaaay!! A fucking kumbaya moment. Coons is ecstatic. "Let's take one week, and focus the scope of the investigation on the current charges." There were people on the fence who were appeased by that. They agreed to vote yes if the investigation was re opened and nothing was discovered. Except, the White House was calling the shots on the scope of the investigation. And it wasn't a criminal investigation into charges of wrong doing, it was a "supplemental background check." So Flake bought time, he got people to calm down and agree, and McConnnell Grassley and McGahn narrowed the scope rushed the report through, and McConnell whipped his caucus into shape, and he had the votes. Done. And the Democrats sat there feeling outraged, angry, and said this was undemocratic. It was. If they insisted on calling for a vote right after Ford testified, as McConnell wanted, They would have had a chance. But instead they were led exactly where the Republicans needed to go. They knew it was not a criminal investigation. They knew They had the advantage because of Ford's testimony and because of Kavanaugh's behavior and they let it slip away. The momentum shifted the moment that investigation was proposed and accepted. That's WTF I mean by them out thinking us.

You are thinking of the filibuster rule, R119. It wasn't two-thirds, it was 60 votes. The Dems did away with it during Obama's administration for lower court judges (District Court and the Courts of Appeals) because the Rethugs were using it to avoid the appointment of any judges. McConnell swore revenge, and when Trump came in, the Repukes abolished it for Supreme Court Justices.

The Senate is broken, and so is American democracy. Most of the blame lies at the feet of people like Newt Gingrich and Mitch McConnell.

[quote] Compromise with these Hitlerian Trumpites? NEVER!

The "compromise" was supporting Democrat Joe Manchin for strategic reasons. Not compromising with the Trumptard Repukes.

I'll further point out that McConnell withheld Merrit Garland's nomination, and no one on their side would even agree to meet with him. Not one single Republican would even schedule an appointment. Unified. Like a clenched fist. McConnell refused to put his name before the Judiciary committee for hearings. He totally stopped the nomination in its tracks. Is what he did illegal? No. it was unethical. It was unprecendented. It was insulting.

It broke with tradition, but he broke no laws. He may have bent a few rules, but McConnell, just like the rest of the GOP going back to Karl Rove and others, did what he did because he could get away with it. Audacity. Push the envelope. Now the Dems say they are for unity, and they put country first. But WTF is the point if you keep losing. If you believe your party is better for the country then fight. If you put Country first, then do what you need to do and stop assuming that people who consistently show you they mean you no good, that they cannot be trusted, their word is no good, and all they care about is winning, stop assuming they will suddenly cooperate. They won't. They regularly try to suggest that "if you agree to this then we'll CONSIDER that" after the fact. And they never honor their agreements. NEVER. We need to toughen up. All our good intentions are meaningless if we can't gain position to get them done.

R120/R122, this is you:

“Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

Nothing you've said is even correct. You have no facts to back up the contention that McConnell didn't have the votes the entire time. In fact, the final votes show the exact opposite. Flake and Collins were always going to vote yes. The only thing that may have changed is that Murkowski decided to vote against the fucker during that week.

And, again, what would you have the Democrats, as the minority party, do? Provide specifics or, again, shut up.

r120/r122 makes good points, esp re pushing the envelope and using the same tactics Repubs have used against us in order to restore some sanity and stability to our government once we re-take the House next month (and with help from above, the Senate if we're lucky).

Who really knows if McTurtle had the votes or not? The point is he's a monstrously tough taskmaster who keeps his 'troop's tightly in line. The reason the Rethugs keep getting their way - even though their extremist views reflect barely 30-35% of the populus, if that imo - is because of their willingness to fight to the death for what they want, no holds barred. To defeat an enemy such as this requires equal toughness and strategic planning.

'troop's = 'troops'

29 days

Now can we get back to mueller? He and avenatti are the only bright lights for me.

[quote] he is America's Hitler

I see him more as Amerca’s Benito Mussolini.

Was There a Connection Between a Russian Bank and the Trump Campaign?

Mark my words, if the Dem voters do their part and deliver the House next month, then Pelosi/Shumer will bring up DACA first thing. They will "free" the detention camp kids. However long that takes. We will lose our momentum with the Kavanaugh rape of the SC and the Dem voters will be furious toward Pelosi/Shumer. However, neither of those two fossils will even give a damn and never voluntarily step down.

DACA kids and the immigration thing may get the attention of the media, but they will be busy on all their committees investigating a lot of the stuff various cabinet level departments and agencies have been sweeping under the carpet. And even if the Senate remains Republicans, always remember. The House has the "power of the purse." They're the ones who can hold up the funding for a lot of programs. And they will.

Nancy Pelosi has already declared (again) that impeachment is now off the table for Kavanaugh. Should she become Speaker again, she will not pursue it. So Kavanaugh stays as far as she's concerned.

And she's not too hot to investigate Trump's crimes either.

Good luck Democrats.

[quote] We get to kick Grassley, and Graham, and Cornyn, and Cruz, and Hatch squarely in the nuts

Pics please.

I read that MoveOn has pulled funding for Breseden (TN-D) and Manchin due to the Kav support.

[quote] I read that MoveOn has pulled funding for Breseden (TN-D) and Manchin due to the Kav support.

Yes, an incredibly stupid, short-sighted, emotional decision that ignores the reality of the situation and the dire straits in which we find ourselves.

[quote] Nancy Pelosi has already declared (again) that impeachment is now off the table for Kavanaugh.

No, that is a mischaracterization of her comment. She said it was not her "plan" to impeach Kavanaugh. She never said it was "off the table." Smart move on her part. She wants people in the next four weeks to be focused on health care, jobs, and the economy. But I'm quite certain that when Jerry Nadler becomes the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee he will be looking into perjury allegations against Blackout Bart O'Kavanaugh.

[quote]Yes, an incredibly stupid, short-sighted, emotional decision that ignores the reality of the situation and the dire straits in which we find ourselves.

One of the biggest reasons we're (Dems) constantly coming no further than close. Tennessee could be a win but it needs everything thrown at it because it is so close. Manchin probably will be a win now he's voted for Kavanaugh.

Could the filibuster be restored - for the Supreme Court level only? That seems to me like a compromise. Prevents a party fucking with the lower court nominations out of partisan bad behaviour but requires a traditional consensus on the Supreme Court.

We need to make sure Manchin, Heitcamp, Claire McCaskill and Bredesen get in. Can't do without them. Beto O Rourke would be great, but we have no seats to spare. None. Call moveOn and protest.

Even though his confirmation went through, I’m glad that at least now Brett Kavanaugh carries the stain of being accused as a rapist. That is not something that ever truly goes away and it wipe its stink off on his wife and children as well (for whom he obviously doesn’t care that much about since he knew these stories were out there and still plowed through to his dream job). This is not a small thing. People don’t forget and, I assure you, every woman in his physical presence, from now until he dies, will be thinking it about him.

Apologies if this has already been posted.

[quote]Brett Kavanaugh carries the stain of being accused as a rapist.

You would be astounded at what those judicial robes can cover.

Plus BK will always be Trump's boy. That's another huge lifelong stain right there.

MSM, particularly cable, wants a horserace for selling ads and making bigger profits. The messaging is slanted for that.

To be honest, should the Democrats take the majorities in the House and Senate, I’d like to see them hit the ground running with an infrastructure plan. Give Mango Mussolini a win to show they are able to work across the aisle.

Then Impeach the piece of shit.

Part of the problem is that GOP voters are perfectly fine with their pols being lying hypocrites. They don’t care. Look at how many Dems wring their hands and worry about what’s right. The Dems need political capital from their voters.

I haven't been able to turn on the TV or visit these threads (until today) since Saturday. I feel as sick as I did back in November 2016.

Go, Beto!

Texas has restrictive voter ID card rules I think. Hope newly registered voters remember to bring them with them on November 6.

Nancy Pelosi has already declared (again) that impeachment is now off the table for Kavanaugh. Should she become Speaker again, she will not pursue it. So Kavanaugh stays as far as she's concerned.

And she's not too hot to investigate Trump's crimes either.

Good luck Democrats.

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Impeachment by the house requires 2/3 of the Senate to convict. Pelosi is simply stating she will not waste resources. Nixon resigned before he was impeached. It is all in the investigations. Present someone with so much embarrassing and incriminating evidence that they RESIGN. Much more efficient. Release Kavanaugh's other 96% of his Bush papers and we will see. Release the Judiciary Committee correspondence with the WH and we will see.

Confirmations to the Supreme court used to also require 2/3 of the Senate's approval.

I believe that it was a 60 vote Senate rule that has been shit canned.

This is one reason we need PR and DC as admitted states.

She's saying what needs be said to avoid scaring people off voting for Democrats. There's as many people don't want it as do. She's playing the Republican game... telling people what they want to hear.

As long as the Dem House investigate Trump administration for the next 2 years...that should cut Trump down to size. If his campaign produced so many criminals... think of how many are currently in the administration.

Judging by DL and Twitter, there seem to be some Democrats -- perhaps a lot of Democrats -- who are more concerned with rubbing the other side's nose in it than making actual political progress.

R148, do you really believe they won't investigat trump if we take the house?

Also if it only takes 60 to confirm then it should only take 60 to impeach.

R143 - yes, infrastructure should be the first order of business if the Dems take the House.

I always thought that Repugs were really stupid to begin with healthcare. They should have started with something that would have bipartisan support like infrastructure. Roads and bridges create jobs. It's a winning issue.

The Dems will have to patiently wait for Mueller's report. Then study it carefully while Trump pisses himself. And then go in for the kill.

We have been patiently waiting for the report on the NY office of the FBI. Anyone hear anything about that?

r154, I said that Pelosi will spend time INVESTIGATING. I did not say Trump would not be investigated.

However, seeing as how his daughter ans SIL are employees, I believe that they will torture Trump through them. All of Trump's dirty laundry will be thrown out in public.

r150, the Repugs will never go for that, and that's exactly why.

R157, you said Pelosi is not too hot to investigate trump's crimes. What did you mean by that?

For Christ sake, damn idiot Democrats always point fingers at themselves, Republicans don't have to do it, we are always the ones giving us a spanking, I don't know why. We should get as damn mean as Republicans, I have been saying that for 30 years. All of our kinder than thou attitudes just make us look weak, to idiots.

R156, I've been wondering about that too for a while now. Either the NY office has closed ranks or there was no investigation in the first place.

What's going on with RR's meeting today with Dotard?

R145: I check DL a few times a day. MSNBC and CNN are off until I read something positive, for a change...

[quote]What's going on with RR's meeting today with Dotard?

Why is Braeden winning in TN such a big deal if her turns out to be another Manchin, Repug in Dem clothing. Even Doug Jones from GA would have voted to robe Kav IF, he hadn't had a win due to women, particularly, BLACK women.

There is NO DEM with a vision, immediate plan or simple agenda to coalesce POWER for the benefit of the PEOPLE. Nancy ain't it, Chuck ain't it, Lizzie ain't it..... There is a HUGE vacuum in the party and it needs to filled stat!!!

R165

The R's are taking on #metoo playing the victimization card, I have a feeling that is going to get women pretty pissed off.

r166

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[R168]

Sent in my mail-in ballot today. Voted straight Dem. Really doesn't amount to much since I am in bluest part of California, but it's still my personal FU to the Republicans.

R166, R168, R169, R170 are men of few words.

We need the numbers. We need Manchin and the guy from Tennessee and every other Democrat we can get to make sure Democrats are in the majority so we c an chair the committees and be the Senate Majority Leader and get McConnell and his band of thugs out of there.

YES^^^ Fuck Move On

Dems to support:

Jacky Rosen, NV

Phil Bredesen, TN

Claire McCaskill, MO

Bill Nelson, FL

Joe Donnelly, IN

Heidi Heitkamp, ND

Beto O’Rourke, TX

Kyrsten Sinema, AZ

Tammy Baldwin, WI

John Tester, MT

We need to support every fucking Dem running in every fucking race. Prioritize the Senate ones but they ALL need our support.

Make sure you vote Dem for local races too. State government does a lot of harm in the wrong hands. Voter suppression, gerrymandering, fraud, ballot security, and a lot of other crap starts at the state's doorstep.

Eh, she confirmed everything I suspected anyway.

From the link at R178, Stormy said this: “In a way, it’s body shaming and I feel like if I could go back and write the book [again], I think I would have left those details out.

I justify it in a way to myself, even now, saying ‘this is a man who said much worse things about women multiple times,’ so here’s a taste of your own medicine, asshole.”

It doesn’t sound very regretful once you read the entire statement.

[quote]Dems to support:

Um, are you not paying attention?

Support them all.

All Democrats are good.

All Republicans are pieces of shit.

If my dog ran as a Democrat I'd vote for him. THis is one election wqhere I am not even concerned with the candidate's "qualifications." I'm voting the GOP OUT> Period. I'm not listening to debates, commercials, reading articles, paying attention to smear jobs, etc. My life is simplified. Voting straight party ticket. Only thing I'll research is the non partisan and judicial candidates. I will not put any conservatives on the bench in my state. Fuck them all.

Amen, r183. The GOP is a criminal enterprise. Remove and replace them across the board, at all costs, no matter how much their opponents offend your moral sensibilities. Vote the big picture. Democracy is literally at risk here.

R183 and r184 W&W

Trump just said Kavanaugh was "found innocent." Kavanaugh wasn't found innocent; that's still very much up in the air until/unless we get a fuller picture and a real investigation into what he is supposed to have done.

So, is Trump lying once again?

I'd vote for you dog if he ran as a Republican too. Because dogs are nice and Republicans aren't so if they're going to get elected I'd like a nice one.

Plus your dog is probably smarter.

Spencer Bacchus was running unopposed in my district, and I entered a write-in vote for my Jack Russell, Daisy.

But Clarence Thomas was confirmed 52-48 so rules chg a lot

I wish I could vote twice. Straight Democratic ticket for me, as is usually the case.

Spoke to my relatives in MA, even though many people there like Charlie Baker and his crew and my relatives voted for him, they won't do it again. It's going to be straight Dem ticket voting all the way.

That's saying a lot in MA where their "RINO" moderate Repub governors are somewhat of a tradition (Weld, Romney, Baker). It's the way everyone needs to think nowadays.

My parents have great friends who live in the hill country of Texas. Very red. They are very liberal and have pissed off many people who live near them because they are rich and they don't hold their tongue. The husband is a rough and tumble guy who is very liberal. His wife is a total spit fire. She ROASTS conservatives like no other ( I WISH she would run for something). Their neighbors asked if they could get some of their BETO signs (they are distributing them). These are Dump supporters. Their neighbors were not happy about this Brett SC shit. The neighbors said many of their friends planned on voting BETO and some have talked about voting against Gov Abbott.

It may not mean a thing but my parent's friends have never seen anyone up there except their across the street neighbor say they would vote for anyone with a D next to their name. She said things are getting out of control and they think there needs to be some checks and balances.

[quote]Nancy Pelosi has already declared (again) that impeachment is now off the table for Kavanaugh. Should she become Speaker again, she will not pursue it. So Kavanaugh stays as far as she's concerned.

Please stop with this crap. What is the fucking point of spending all their time and energy impeaching these people if there is ZERO chance of conviction in the Senate? It is a much better plan to investigate everything and everyone. If they find enough concrete proof, maybe then the Senate Repugs won't have a choice but to vote to convict these fuckers. But stop harping on impeachment. It would be 100% symbolic and a waste of time at this point. Grow up, learn how politics works, and then vote.

For those who are upset with Bredesen and Manchin for their BrettKav support remember this: if the Senate was majority Democrat (read: just two extra seats) its a high likelihood that Mr. Kegger would have never even had a hearing. Dianne Feinstein would have been the Judiciary Committee Chair, not Grassley; at the very least he would have had a very thorough vetting and investigation BEFORE getting to the late stages.

We need every single seat to go Blue, no matter who sits there or what individual stances they take on issues. Control of the overall Senate by the Dems will go a huge way toward alleviating all the damage that's been done - that means Manchin must stay and Bredesen gets elected.

MoveOn was stupid to pull support, especially from Bredesen. He didn't vote for the drunk rapist but he gains votes by saying he would have while running in his ugly red state. MoveOn seems to not understand politics.

DL gets it right. For the Dems to get to 51 in the Senate we need Manchin in WVA and Bredsen in Tennessee. The ONLY vote that they cast that matters is who will be the Majority Leader of the United States Senate. Period. That's it. We can worry about the other shit later. For right now, that is all that matters.

Move On got it very, very wrong.

R193, R194, R195, R196 I agree with all of you SO MUCH, and have said as much myself other posts, other threads. But let's also remember the Dems in tight races who deserve an extra boost . Not only do we have to get Manchin and Bredesen in, and hopefully O' Rourke, but Heitkamp and McCaskill and anyone else who is out here struggling.

There can be no "surprises" no upsets where we lose a single seat. We have to hold what we have and get more! So even if you live in a safe seat, please see if some of these other races need help. You can make phone calls for Heidi Heitkamp Claire McCaskill and Beto no matter where you live, and they always need $$.

Here is something important to know: Early voting is either about to begin or has begun in some states. Absentee ballots are going out too and thousands have already been mailed in. In Georgia, where the Trump endorsed Governor's nominee is still Secretary of State and has purged and fucked up a lot of voters, more than 10,000 absentees have already voted. So making calls is important.

[quote]So, is Trump lying once again?

Let's just leave that question laying out there.

Why is Bredesen making any kind of statement regarding Kavanaugh when he doesn’t have to? Why not just say that he would need to review the FBI files to form an opinion or just have more information?

Why are Democrats so eager to have opinions on everything?

As opposed to the shy, retiring republican'ts who have no opinions on anything r199?

R200, that’s not what I’m saying. Why make a statement to alienate female voters when your opponent already supports Kavanaugh?

R199, please! He's running in Tennessee. He needs Red votes as much as he needs Blue and Indies.

Just saw a depressing report on "Morning Joe" ( I know, I know) that said that young college age people aren't anymore likely to come out and vote in these upcoming mid-terms anymore then they have in the past. In other words, nothing has changed; Generation Z or whatever they're called, will not be the savior of the Democratic party in this next election. It surprised the reporter and the hosts, because these young people are also so tech savvy and users of social media, they thought that they would be more inclined to vote, not less.

This is their mother fuckin' future, what will it take to get these kids to actually care?

Let’s hope those polls of young people are wrong. They might be. It’s too late to do much to convince them now otherwise.

Dank memes and Taylor Swift, R203.

I can't stand Taylor Swift, but if she gets some of these younger people off their asses good.

The "tech savvy" IT types barely know Trump is POTUS. True, my evidence is anecdotal, but it's scary how clueless they are.

I've never been a Swift fan, but I'm glad she finally endorsed a Democrat. Those obsessed fans of hers will follow anything she says, so that should translate into votes.

Niki Haley is resigning.

CNN HEADLINE: NIKKI HALEY RESIGNS AS UN AMBASSADOR

Dump and Haley will be giving a statement soon.

What reason is she giving for resignation?

Since Taylor Swift flexed her star power Sunday with an Instagram post that encouraged her 112 million followers to register to vote, Vote.org has experienced an unprecedented flood of new voter registrations nationwide.

"We are up to 65,000 registrations in a single 24-hour period since T. Swift's post," said Kamari Guthrie, director of communications for Vote.org.

For context, 190,178 new voters were registered nationwide in the entire month of September, while 56,669 were registered in August.

Let's hope she tweets out that they also need to turn out and vote.... and vote Democrat.

Lifelong conservative Max Boot:

As I look back with the clarity of hindsight, I am convinced that coded racial appeals had at least as much, if not more, to do with the electoral success of the modern GOP than all of the policy proposals crafted by well-intentioned analysts like me.

You needed hindsight to see that, Max? Really?

Is Max Boot running for Captain Obvious?

So Haley is taking Lindsey’s seat so Lindsey can take over for whom? Sessions, right?

I think Lindsey would rather be VP. He does love the Senate, and the VP has a role to play in the Senate. Pence is kind of useless as a wrangler and Graham is more of a wheeler dealer. I think he is slated to take over Judiciary from Grassley if he stays in the Senate.

They always fuck up when they try a plan like that, R216. Remember when Jared told Trump that firing Comey would make Democrats happy? I bet this turns into another slow-motion fail.

[quote]Pence is kind of useless as a wrangler and Graham is more of a wheeler dealer.

You seriously underestimate Pence. His fingerprints are all over this administration, and everything he's done is to position himself for a presidential run.

I knew Haley's resignation had to involve something like this. The Trump Crime Syndicate marches on.

Nikki Haley's resignation comes one day after an ethics watchdog requested an investigation into her acceptance of free flights on private jets

A member of the Trump administration being unethical?!?!? Wha...?!?

I know, right?

Ha!, that's small potatoes and these people are shameless. There's more to this than what they're saying

Yes, if she's out it's because Trump wants her out. Unethical behavior is a plus not a minus in this administration. I mean, the whole theme of this administration is how to get away with crimes and treason.

I read speculation that this is meant to serve as a distraction when it’s revealed this week that Michael Cohen DID go to Prague.

Of course this is a distraction. I agree. I'm not so sure of what we're being distracted from, but it certainly feels like a distraction.

Haley, when Governor of South Carolina, was involved in several scandals involving cronyism, spending improprieties, conflicts of interests, and use of state government assets for personal purposes.

I watched the news earlier. A reporter asked a Congress member what he would think if the "rumor" that Haley would be replaced by Ivanka Trump was true. Was she experienced enough? He declined to comment.

Next elections Trump's gonna run with Ivanka as VP.

Lindsey Graham denied today he was interested in a cabinet position, and that he is running for the Senate again 2020. That may be a big delection to change the media focus.

It is mentioned frequently he seeks to be the Attorney General, and Trump wants to nominate him after Sessions is fired following the mid-terms. If happens, expect the Mueller investigation to be prematurely concluded, and no indictments of the Trump inner circle happen.

The Senate has to confirm the AG nominee. Get ready to contact your Senators, may be the only technical way to stop it. Graham is back again golfing with Trump. And if Kompromat is at work, this alleged conspiracy would be even more alarming.

The media has failed, for quite awhile, to ask Graham some direct and probing questions about the oligarch contributions, and the full nature of his now sycophant relationship with DJT.

[quote]Lindsey Graham denied today he was interested in a cabinet position, and that he is running for the Senate again 2020

Well, that’s good enough for me. Never has a lie passed her virginal, pearl-pink lips.

Miz Lindzey's obsession over Kavanaugh went beyond Senatorial advocacy for a court nominee. She acts like a stalker in this instance.

[QUOTE]Well, that’s good enough for me. Never has a lie passed her virginal, pearl-pink lips.

His behavior makes perfect sense for someone who needs to get re-elected Senator in South Carolina in two years. When I saw his outburst over Kavanaugh, I knew he must be due for an election soon.

The crowd at Trump rally tonight apparently yelled “LOCK HER UP!” when he mentioned Feinstein. So fickle, those Deplorables.

[quote]The crowd at Trump rally tonight apparently yelled “LOCK HER UP!” when he mentioned Feinstein.

What for, exactly?

Being female and having some semblance of power

I suspect Mueller has everything he needs. It has been quiet lately. I think it is wrap up time. Once the mid-terms are over, he will unload all of his findings.

Of course, all the lemming repugs are clucking the exact same verbage, sentences, talking points, whatever you want to call them. They are scared. I saw 2 women on social media, both very anti-abortion, saying they do not like Pres Tre45on and now will vote 3rd party because they can't stand what he said about Dr. Ford after the fact. FWIW, both women didn't like Dump before but voted for him only because of the SC. I saw several comments of "same" after their comments. I don't trust them once they get in the voting booth but I guess it's some good news.

So Anthony Weiner's getting out of prison . . .

Uday tweets:

[quote]Who else is excited about Avenatti/Weiner 2020?

Avenatti replies:

[quote]If I were you, the last thing I would be doing is referencing other people getting out of federal prison. Because after you are indicted, you will likely be passing them on your way in. BTW, they don’t have silver spoons or gold toilets in the joint. Buckle up Buttercup.

Big swinging dick Avenatti knows how to punch back.

That crime family really thinks there are no consequences to their crimes.

Guess who's pissing the bed tonight.

R235, she's a Democrat. Isn't that enough?

r206, r207, r211--

I’m writing this post about the upcoming midterm elections on November 6th, in which I’ll be voting in the state of Tennessee. In the past I’ve been reluctant to publicly voice my political opinions, but due to several events in my life and in the world in the past two years, I feel very differently about that now.

I always have and always will cast my vote based on which candidate will protect and fight for the human rights I believe we all deserve in this country. I believe in the fight for LGBTQ rights, and that any form of discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender is WRONG. I believe that the systemic racism we still see in this country towards people of color is terrifying, sickening and prevalent. I cannot vote for someone who will not be willing to fight for dignity for ALL Americans, no matter their skin color, gender or who they love.

Running for Senate in the state of Tennessee is a woman named Marsha Blackburn. As much as I have in the past and would like to continue voting for women in office, I cannot support Marsha Blackburn. Her voting record in Congress appalls and terrifies me. She voted against equal pay for women. She voted against the Reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act, which attempts to protect women from domestic violence, stalking, and date rape. She believes businesses have a right to refuse service to gay couples. She also believes they should not have the right to marry. These are not MY Tennessee values. I will be voting for Phil Bredesen for Senate and Jim Cooper for House of Representatives. Please, please educate yourself on the candidates running in your state and vote based on who most closely represents your values. For a lot of us, we may never find a candidate or party with whom we agree 100% on every issue, but we have to vote anyway.

So many intelligent, thoughtful, self-possessed people have turned 18 in the past two years and now have the right and privilege to make their vote count. But first you need to register, which is quick and easy to do. October 9th is the LAST DAY to register to vote in the state of TN. Go to vote.org and you can find all the info. Happy Voting! 🗳😃🌈

[quote]The crowd at Trump rally tonight apparently yelled “LOCK HER UP!” when he mentioned Feinstein.

[quote]What for, exactly?

Not only for being a Democrat, but also for being an intelligent woman. Thus Trump's rallies are conforming ever more closely to his 30s inspiration. Mass hysteria, mob rule, due process irrelevant. The sleep of reason produces monsters.

“She voted against the Reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act”

Now this is just evil.

It truly is R244. What is wrong with these people??

The women at his rallies are oblivious to the messages he is giving.

His latest ploy is to blame Feinstein for the Kavanaugh debacle at the Judiciary hearing, he bounces off walls with Ford, simultaneously calling her a victim and a liar and a fool, ridiculing her testimony, but Feinstein he calls a liar. He repeatedly claims she lied about leaking the Ford letter to the press. Then he mocks Feinstein and imitates her. It's insulting and disrespectful and wrong. Even the guy who wrote the article came out to publicly avow that neither Feinstein or her staff had anything to do with the letter/information about Ford leaking.

But even more important, the whole "Lock her up!!" Phenomenon began in the Ukraine. It was the brainchild of Paul Manafort. His candidate for President of Ukraine was a Man, a puppet of Putin's and he was running against an anti-Putin activist who happened to be a woman. So they chanted "Lock her up!!!" at all their rallies. After Manafort's monster "won" the rigged election, he actually did lock up his woman opponent!! Apparently Trump thinks this is a good idea, and he has constantly talked about how corrupt and dangerous Hillary is and how she ought to be arrested, prosecuted, locked up. It is a very dangerous, authoritarian tactic and one we should not take lightly. To charge your political opponent with wrong doing and threaten them with prosecution because you are not in agreement with their views. Trump is a very dangerous, ugly person, but it's very sobering to realize he's the burlesque show while the real business is going on behind the scenes. We must stop this. If your issue is Gay Rights, women's Rights, Gun Rights, WTF ever. Just please vote. Vote in record numbers! I appreciate what Taylor Swift did, but she should have taken that last step and told people to vote Democratic in ALL races this November. We have to clean up a really bad mess.

What Trump is doing at all his rallies lately is seriously dangerous. Like the demagogue that he is, he is doing his best to demonize Democrats as much as possible to his low-info voters and supporters. They just eat all this hatred and demonizing up and spit it back at him. I'm not sure if he truly believes what he says, but one thing is for sure, his audiences do.

There is something very Hitlerian about this whole tactic, and we ignore it at our peril.

Good thing Taylor waited til the last day of voter registration to post. Thanks Tay-Tay, for taking such a huge risk and leaving people almost no time to react. You go girl!!!

Word, R249.

It's up to Republicans in Congress to speak up but they're all fucking cowards afraid of aienating their base. I wonder why none of them has figured out that they might be able to expand their base if the moderated their tone and weren't so evil. They ought to be standing up to him and to the bad policy he is making. Compromising on immigration, telling people they believe in Climate change and protecting the environment , and they want to fix healthcare not end it. They ought to want to protect Social Security and medicare. A lot of their short term bullshit is going to have a very bad effect on the economy. This bubble will not last. The huge deficits are truly a danger to our national security. We have borrowed a lot of money from China and other places and we are not doing a very good job with our "diplomacy" these past two years. But that's OK. Putin loves this. He watches Trump enact policies every day that weaken us and alienate us from our international allies.

I hope Hurricane Michael destroys many Deplorables’ homes and businesses. Karma’s a bitch.

I read a fascinating post on Twitter yesterday wherein Clint Watts was concurring with an article that stated all security experts agree — currently almost zero Russian interference with the election. The SOB’s are still cheating, but will things finally go our way?

There's already shenanigans going on ...

MERIDIAN TOWNSHIP, Mich. - Thousands of absentee voters were mistakenly sent instructions on how to vote a straight-party ticket even though that's not an option in next month's Michigan election.

The Lansing State Journal reports Meridian Township Clerk Brett Dreyfus says about 5,000 ballots were sent before the problem was discovered. Dreyfus blamed a vendor for sending incorrect instructions but acknowledged his office should have caught it before mailing absentee ballots in the Lansing-area community.

The township noted the error in a posting on its website .

A federal appeals court last month revived Michigan's ban on straight-party voting . Voters must go line by line if they want to vote for candidates in partisan races. In the past, a single mark could automatically count for candidates of a single party, from governor to county commissioner.

Kyle Griffin:

Responding to a lawsuit that alleges the Trump camp and Roger Stone worked with Russia and WikiLeaks to publish hacked DNC emails, Trump lawyers are arguing the 1st Amendment protects the campaign's "right to disclose information—even stolen information."

Kleptocracy in action:

During a meeting at Mar-a-Lago, Trump raised Sheldon Adelson's casino bid to Japanese PM Abe, ProPublica reports. The Japanese side was surprised.

"It was totally brought up out of the blue. They were a little incredulous that he would be so brazen."

The president raising a top donor’s personal business interests directly with a foreign head of state would violate longstanding norms. “That should be nowhere near the agenda of senior officials,” said Brian Harding, a Japan expert at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “U.S.-Japan relations is about the security of the Asia-Pacific, China and economic issues.”

Adelson donated $20 million to Trump's campaign and pitched in an additional $5 million for the inaugural festivities.

But at least Trump is honest about being a liar!!

No, Dee, he...isn't.

NYT's GlennThrush:

It wasn't the timing of the Trump taxes story, its length, or the fact that it wasn't cut up into bite-sized pieces that dampened impact.

The great @ProPublica story on Trump/Abe is getting similar "we knew this."

Trump overload/cynicism is a growing threat to good journalism.

I read today that EPA ethanol standards were relaxed by trump so Iowa farmers could profit more from its sale, in a nod to Grassley who was such an asshole during the kavanaugh fiasco (as usual). Quid pro quo. You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Environment be damned.

While I agree that Trump overload and cynicism is definitely out ere, there is something called the Law and it should not ride on whether people know about the Tax fraud or get upset about it. People get murdered every day. Murder is a crime. We barely react to most murders. But they still must be prosecuted.

People a re so insular today that unless something affects you or threatens you directly you hardly react. We always find a way to distance ourselves mentally and emotionally from stuff that makes us uncmfortable. Look at all the mass shootings. A gay nightclub, a luncheon for employees, a college campuses, high schools, elementary schools, out door concerts, movie theatres, Bible studies, and in every instance we have found a way to decide that it didn't affect us because either the shooter was nuts and there for it's a one off, or we don't go to those places so not to worry.

Lets all focus our minds on indicting Trump and his immediate circle. Focus HARD. Let's karma Mueller into an October surprise!

Also focus Karma on Nunes and Cruz. Cruz! Cruz! Make him Lose, lose!!!

Lose!

Oh, Jesus....

“It’s going to be extremely big and extremely wet.”

I'm tellin' ya, r66, he coulda been a meteorologist!

^r266

Yeah, Donald, extremely large and extremely wet like one of your farts

The Dow is now down 600 points.

Winning!

Yes, please let the market crash.

Dow down >700 now. Final fifteen minutes should be interesting!

No lies told, R272 . . .

Dow Jones Industrial Average closes down 800+ points, off 3%, the 3rd biggest point loss in the history of the index.

Yes! Keep tanking. How is the dotard going to blame the dems for this?

R275 If he were smart, he could blame the rising interest rates... ironically, rates are rising partly because of historically low unemployment. Don't tell dotard there's no constant winning. Once you hit extreme high or low, something's got to give.

This is all because of the angry mob democrats! They pulled our beautiful stock market down!

The liberal tech companies are destroying this country by tanking your retirement funds.

26 days

Voted by mail last night. Mail carrier took it today.

Which state, R280?

California, R281, and not a swing district. My parents are in a swing district back East, however, and I talked with my mom about how important it is to vote Dem.

Also, I really care about some of the propositions in CA this cycle — e.g., no to Prop 6 (GOP-sponsored repeal of gas taxes), yes to Prop 12 (giving farm animals a bit more space), yes to veterans' housing, yes to homeless housing, yes to allowing for more rent control, yes to more funding for childrens' hospitals, etc.

Voted De Leon for senator, though I'm ok with Feinstein — just wanted to show support for the idea of new blood.

R282 Voted for Feinstein since I figure she might just die in office and get replaced by another Dem anyway.

So when the Democratic votes are split, and we lose the seat, you will be able to sleep at night. FUCK YOU.

R283 Also I hope she gets a chance to exact vengeance on ancient dirtbag Grassley, and of course, the douche meister Trump.

R284, she's almost guaranteed to win.

R284 For Feinsten's senate seat, there was no Republican candidate. Only the two Dems on my ballot.

I'm voting for Diane because she deserves to be our Senator. And Trump is shitting all over her with his" Lock her up!" crap.

The GOP is California is so dispirited they only dare raise their heads into the red counties.

California’s new “jungle primary” system puts all of the candidates from all of the parties on the primary ballot for all to vote on. California, being one of the bluest states, elected two Democrats as the top two vote-getters in the primary for US senator to appear as the two choices to appear on the general election ballot.

The governor’s race would have also featured two Democrats but the second place spot divided the vote between the 2nd and 3rd-place Democrats so that the Republican candidate squeaked by to take 2nd place on the general election ballot. But he’s considered a real long shot to win.

R247 - that's Yulia Tymoshenko.

I love her. I wish she would come to the US and give speeches about her history. She is fascinating and I would love to hear her speak.

Under grilling by Democratic U.S. Sen. Kamala Harris today, FBI director Christopher Wray refused to say why his agency failed to interview numerous key players in its supplemental background check of Brett Kavanaugh, or if it investigated allegations that Kavanaugh lied to Congress.

Christopher Wray looks like Kavanaugh's equally ugly and slimy brother.

My parents voted straight Dem this week by mail (TX). They always do. Dad is a union guy. Both my parents come from union homes. I had a great middle class upbringing due to those great union benefits.

DL's, how do you handle it when Dump tweets given his bad grammar, spelling, punctuation, syntax? Do you "Oh, dear" him on twitter? Do you make a drinking game for every time you would say "Oh, dear"?

Trump's back to his Hillary obsession.

Oh god, how long can we go on like this? Please let this election turn it around.

What will it take for NBC to call it like it is? It's not "evidence-free allegation", its CRAZY TALK.

Can the news media at least tell people where this came from? I'd love to see footage of Paul Manafort and the Ukrainians chanting lock her up at the woman political opposition to the Putin Puppet. That is not common knowledge and it draws a direct line from the Russians Putin to Manafort to Trump. It's a visual. It would put that bullshit right back on him and he'd go apeshit.

Did we start a thread about the Saudi Journalist who was murdered in the Saudi Embassy in Turkey? Apparently Jared is implicated. On Lawrence O Donnell tonight, some guy was talking about how Jared visited with him about a year ago, and right after Jared left, a week later there was a purge and now this journalist was murdered. It needs its own thread. I'm not allowed but someone else could. Please?

R291, that’s actually a very good idea. Democrats should invite her to the States to tell her story. I’m sure that very few Americans know about her or that Manafort was recycling the same old playbook.

Instead of devoting an hour to vapid Melania, ABC should Interview Tymoshenko and HRC instead.

Seriously, though, he'd better get a lot of shit for having his wank session while the south is suffering.

I would love that, r301!

To see the two of them interviewed on one show would be fantastic!

Who can we contact to see if this is possible? CNN would do a shitty job. MSNBC?

I'd write, call and post on social media to get her here for an interview.

r303 He called out Obama for campaigning after Sandy. Now, he does the exact same thing but DURING the storm. None of his deplorables will care. Repugs are so BLATANT about their hypocrisy it is stunning.

Florida won't care. It is amazing how Cubans can freely come here yet Haitians and Mexicans aren't. Hmmm why is that? Oh yeah, Cubans vote R. Conservatives thought the children of illegal hispanics would vote R because of the religious aspect of their culture. When they didn't, and it might turn the nation blue forever, suddenly they have a huge problem with them and are willing to destroy their lives.

Can’t both Obama and Hillary sue that piece of shit for slander the day he leaves office? Obama for the wiretapping accusation and now Hillary for the Russia accusation?

What do we make of this ?.....watch til the end....VERY INTERESTING.....

R306 what am I supposed to be seeing?

Trump says something to Kennedy that stops him in his tracks and Kennedy looks like hes been had.

r307 End times?

It really is very interesting. Kennedy looks shocked. I wonder what the fuck he was just told.

R300- The thing I'm seeing about this which is scary is that the US IC intercepted calls about Saudi planning to do something to this journalist and they passed the info on to the WH.....which did nothing. Shouldn't they have warned the journalist personally instead of thinking the WH was going to intervene? Watching Trump with his hands on that orb should have tipped them off that he's going to turn a blind eye to all of it.

Maybe the storm is starting to pass - quite a few conservatives have now publically left the GOP---Max Boot, Steve Schmidt and now David Jolly. Plus Fox apparently is pulling back on covering Trump's rallies.

Maybe all of that is a good omen.

They got their fucker on the Court. They got all their tax cuts. Now, they'll turn on Trump.

R299 that would be a really compelling visual.

I think Kennedy and Trump were talking about Kavanaugh's hearings. Trump was saying "They tried to get me to open up the FBI investigation! hell with them." And Kennedy probably said, OMG, no!" Or maybe they were talking about Mueller and his son and Duetsche Bank, and Trump said, Fuck him. I'm President. I don't repay loans! Hillary probably stole more than I did. " And Kennedy said, Really? Hillary IS crooked! You have to... Lock her up!"

Whatever he said what struck me was Trumpy seemed uneasy... Like he suddenly understood he'd gone too far... He looks like he's giving impatient lets move along gesturing.

I think he told Kennedy that he'd have to resign next so Trump can fill that seat too....

Uh, R317, have you been away?

correcting I think he told Kennedy that John Roberts will have to resign next so Trump can fill that seat too... He wants all Trumpers on the court

Trump looked very unhappy. He looked angry, disgusted, WTFever. So maybe he did tell Kennedy something startling. Maybe he told him how Jared foolishly gave the Saudi guy information that led to the murder of the journalist and the Post has the story and they are going to expose him!

Michael Avenatti:

Donald Trump Jr. will be indicted before his birthday on 12-31-18. If you doubt my prediction, please check my record over the last 7 months. #Winning

Hooray!!!

I wish to fuck Avenatti would have said "before October 31, 2018." Why wait? They have everything they need. You know they do.

[quote]I wish to fuck Avenatti

Pics please.

why has Junior and Kushner not been indicted?? Fuck Mueller...Fuck him right up the ass, WHAT AN EGO!! He irritates the hell out of me. Start putting these major assholes in JAIL!!

I have started thinking Mueller is dragging his feet, because he is a Republican. And don't tell me he is not dragging his feet, while America is burning.

When you reach for the high places you best not fail.... Mueller is being meticulous. When he files his indictments and makes everything public, he wants to make it all airtight so it is a foregone conclusion they are guilty. All of them. Look at the detail in Manafort's charges. Mueller does not play. All the reports they write can get censored and quashed and kept hidden, but indictments filed in a court of Law? Hah! That's a different story. And if the investigation is disbanded, or stopped after the Midterms, if the Dems take the house they can re open the investigation and re hire Mueller. Wanna bet Mueller has copies of everything under lock and key in a safe location?

Will Floridians care that Donnie Darko chose to ego wank at a rally instead of monitor the hurricane's wrath?

Or will the home of Mar A Lago get extra special attention and recovery support?

R300 & R311, this story is so fucking disturbing. Now the Senate is forcing the WH to investigate but of course they won’t since Trump and Jared are so buddy buddy with these apparent murderers.

Putin murders people with reckless abandon. Now the Saudis are doing the same. Not to mention Kim. Meanwhile, Trump brags about how well he gets along with all of them.

And Canada is our enemy, R329.

[quote]And don't tell me he is not dragging his feet, while America is burning.

You come for the king, you best not miss.

So the fresh Jared speculation might account for Haley's 'hidden genius' public appraisal. He is neither, but this clunking over-estimation was oddly suddenly put out there.

Sounds like a gimcrack Trump boost for short-term esteem, knowing very bad stuff is simmering.

She didn't say which kind of genius. Is he a good genius or an evil genius?

Mueller cant file any charges against the main players until hes ready to file against ALL of them at the same time. Why on earth would he charge Junior or Kushner, only to file against the others later and allowing them advance warning about whats coming and how to manipulate evidence. Its not rocket science people....and its not about you and what you want.

Good point, R334.

After Kennedy shook his finger at trump the orange menace stalked off, dismissing Kennedy and leaving him in his dust. That's what he does to naysayers, dismisses them before walking away to the next disaster.

More likely, Trump said something to Kennedy and suddenly a light bulb went off and Kennedy realized he had been played.

Trump: Let those fucking democrats try to remove me now.

Kennedy: What ?!?...you told me this wasnt about protecting yourself.

Trump: Dont be naive...My 12 year old is more qualified than this asshat to sit on the SC..remember, your son is deeply involved in this too..

Kennedy :Dont threaten me, Im still respected and can turn you in...

Trump: whatever old man (walks away)

Kennedy: I cant believe you lied to me.

Trump : (chuckles)

Is she saying "learn to sashay right bitches!"?

I almost vomited looking at her smug piglet face^^

Stock market down another 150 points after yesterday's 800-point dip.

Ford to lay off 2,400 workers.

One of America's largest coal companies just filed for bankruptcy.

Winning!

Even more shenanigans.

I think Trump said to Kennedy “I’ve got terminal cancer and I’m taking the entire fucking country down with me.”

Trump would never admit to cancer to anyone, believing he's above all special, untouchable, and cancer only happens to poor people - and certainly not to people on summit terms with Vladimir Putin. Narcissism 101.

Rather like Roy Cohn in 'Angels In America', if a doctor ever told Trump of any such diagnosis, he'd bully the doctor into shifting his lifetime terms of reference - he'd call medical science 'fake news' - so the terms somehow fitted the freakshow of egotistic lies his stunted brain contains.

Weirdly - see Kissinger and Murdoch - such specimens often just go on and on. Maybe their withering and shrinkage as they deepen into age, uselessness and and global revulsion is punishment enough.

Maybe Mueller will file charges just days before the election. Trump is probably going to fire him right after the election so why not preempt him and do maximum damage? Once the charges are filed with a court, Trump can’t stop them, can he?

Just 25 days left

Hmmm

Mueller knows the lame duck will be TREACHEROUS!

Journalist to Heather Cunty, State Department Spokeswoman, regarding the missing Saudi correspondent:

[quote]In terms of your understanding, or...lack of understanding...

The Trump administration is probably better off taking action against the Saudi's now rather than later. If they delay, they'll have another special counsel investigation on their hands.

Some analysts, notably Seth Abramson, believe there's evidence of a Saudi influence campaign that includes illegal measures and that the current special counsel is investigating it in conjunction with the Russian support for Trump.

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Not too many answers from the State Department

R350/R351

R352 - some sissy lame wimp who blocked me, but still NEEDS to know what I’m saying.

I also have R350 and R351 blocked fwiw.

Me2 352-4.

Wonder where he was an asshat?

Trumplestiltskin and all his minions need to be trusted up like holiday turkeys long before Jr. Mints birthday on New Years' Eve. Someone said up thread that Canada is our enemy. All our previous allies among the 'free' world have been alienated from the U.S. by that shit-stain pretender who calls himself POTUS. Our government and foreign relations are being totally and utterly destroyed. It will take us decades to recover from this, IF our country CAN pull through this shit-storm of open and unrepentant tyranny against the Constitution

You’re terrible R350/R351!

Trump lawyers preparing answers to Mueller questions!

JUST IN: Michael Cohen re-registers as a Democrat, lawyer says.

Sad to see that O'Rourke is trailing Cruz, but at the very least he's given Cruz a scare. It would be delicious if the actual returns are much closer.

Texans: do the right think for once!

Ads against Beto are numerous and effective. Beto's ads are not. To add on to that, PACs and Gov "crazy legs" Abbott are running ads constantly demeaning liberals and talking about how noble conservatives are.

Do liberals ever run ads about how conservatives have consistently fucked up our country and all they ever do is talk a good game but run up the deficit and put the economy in the ditch every fucking time they are elected?

The Trump Admin is complicit in the murder of Kashoggi.. They were warned by the IC and did nothing. I think could be one more big scandal.

Sounds about right r362

They don't appear to give a flying fuck about scandals, r362....

From today.

Analysis from today.

Florida midterms

[quote [bold]]But even more important, the whole "Lock her up!!" Phenomenon began in the Ukraine. It was the brainchild of Paul Manafort.[/bold] His candidate for President of Ukraine was a Man, a puppet of Putin's and he was running against an anti-Putin activist who happened to be a woman

[bold]and Tad Devine[/bold] (Bernie Sanders campaign manager). They both were running the Viktor Yanukovych campaign and were successful in jailing the female candidate that dared to run against Viktor Yanukovych and his master Vladimir Putin. Sounds familiar ???

I am certain that is the fate that awaited (or still awaits) Hillary.

It's is really incredible we have come to this. Telegraphing authoritarianism in plain site and it seems 40% of our country is fine with it?

Is it really any different than pre-Nazi Germany?

As a kid in school, I remember hating the Nazis, of course, but also the German people for letting it happen. I mean, how could they just let it happen??!!

r370 I always cursed the German people thinking they were really evil inside to allow such a horrible thing to happen when they were so sophisticated. Not anymore. I see exactly how it happened. And it doesn't take a majority.

Sorry, German people, for having thought that.

Crazy Republican judge Ellis is trying to sabotage the Manafort deal.

r372 They got their majority on the court to do all sorts of crazy shit. Expect Repug judges to go hog wild now.

I knew the photo with the orb and the Saudis would come back to haunt.

I hope I needn't wait too long to find out what the Wendi Deng/Ivanka "vacation" was all about.

[quote] Stock market down another 150 points after yesterday's 800-point dip.

Down 500 today.

[quote]Ford to lay off 2,400 workers.

Ford set to lay off 24,000 workers, not 2,400.

If Avenatti is right and they will indict Trump by the end of the year, we know why they HAD to get Brett "can't indict a president" Kavanaugh on the bench right the fuck now.

And, how about this scenario? Trump has to resign. Pence is elevated and gets to choose his VP. The newly resigned Nikki Haley is appointed by Pence. The still Repug-controlled Senate gets to approve her for the position. The Repugs get to get rid of Trump and get a woman on the ticket for 2020. I've noticed that all those Repugs who have become ex-Repugs over the last two years can't get enough of re-shaping Haley's history and pretending she's some sort of moral, anti-Trump when she's actually just as ass-licking as the rest of them.

r375 We know many of the never-Dumpers will come back to the Repugs once he is gone. I want to see the real heroes who will not endorse any Repug for Prez because the rest of the party is absolutely corrupt to the bone. However, they did their part. I will not blame them for going back to the party after him. Most of them are not moderates.

But Haley isn't a moderate and she's been licking Trump's ass the entire time she's been at the UN. They're just lying. Shocking.

Chief Justice John Roberts requested the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals review more than a dozen ethics complaints related to Judge Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation hearing conduct.

One week and I bet Roberts already hates this little fucker.

Oooo maybe Roberts won’t seat him officially.

Who wants to work with a creep like that anyway.

Can you imagine lunch time?

That guy is an idiot. He has the intelligence of a gnat.

He's already officially seated, R380. He's been on the bench all week.

Thanks r378. I knew I read that somewhere, just didn't bookmark it. I think it doesn't bode well for Kavanaugh. This does lend credibility to the Dems claim that the FBI had its hands tied despite the blathering Dump. What if it shows Kav's shady past, his undeniable partisanship? Will Roberts bring him into his chambers for questions?

Roberts is Chief Justice. He will not take kindly to Kavanaugh's huge Ego and constant sense of grievance. People say Roberts breathed a sigh of relief when Scalia died. He was too flamboyant. Robert is about comity. He is alll about judicial temperament. And he is definitely in charge. To the degree Kavanaugh tries to usurp his position they will not get along. As I read about it, Roberts could have made those complaints "go away." But he is all about Recititude and integrity and he didn't do Kav any favors by referring those complaints. I see KAvanaugh as a disruptive force on that court.

I would not hang my hat on Roberts.

What is the 10th Circuit like? How often does this type of complaint occur? What about the number of complaints? Predictions????

The head of the 10th circuit is a Republican appointee, Timothy Tymkovich, (George W. Bush) and it's based in Kansas, so you can guess that it's not the most liberal circuit court in the nation...... moreover, Tymkovich was on Trump's short list for Supreme Court nominations, so I'm guessing he's going to go out of his way to make these 10 complaints go away......

I can't post links tonight, but a Washington post article said the same thing. The complaints are moot since kavanaugh is on the court. I guess Roberts is covering his ass like Flake did.

The 10th Circuit is seven Democrats and five Repugs.

[quote]it's based in Kansas

No, it's based in Denver. The Circuit includes Kansas, but the Court is not based there.

Hitler did not have to deal with the instantaneous transmission of information through the Internet.

Why did Garland have to refuse himself?

Why are the Dems always taking the fucking high road?

He could have reviewed the complaints and fuck the republicans if they protest.

^^recuse himself

What if they do find merit for with the complaints? What are the consequences?

Garland is one of the Republicans in Circuit 10. And he has recused? Well at least that tilts the panel 7 Dems vs 4 Republicans.

R394, not even one of the things you wrote is correct.

[quote]Roberts is Chief Justice. He will not take kindly to Kavanaugh's huge Ego and constant sense of grievance.

I was listening to Michaelangelo Signorile and I missed something that they were talking about. He was referencing how Roberts was given a bunch of information re: Kavanaugh and could have done something to stop him from getting seated but he didn't bother.

I came in at the tail end of that discussion so I didn't catch what exactly they were saying.

I have been wondering how the other Justices feel about Kav and in the same discussion they brought that up and said that Kav over the years has sent a bunch of clerks to both the Repug and Dem justices and so that indicates that they all like him just fine.

At the end of the day I believe these judges have the same pack mentality as cops or firemen or mobsters. They cover for each other and present an united front against outsiders and rats (insiders who step out of line and go after one of their own).

It is beyond comprehension, r32, how the crime of treason---real, honest-to-God TREASON, never mind perjury and obstruction of justice---can legally be buried 6 feet under by anyone, let alone Nunes.

Boggles the mind how we have allowed Congressional protocols to reach this state of aiding and abetting.

R398, we only recently found the evidence of Nixon thwarting the Paris peace talks. That was treason.

R399, Not sure what your point is, other than to support the idea that Republican Presidents are and have been traitors to the United States.

There's Reagan and the Iranian US Embassy hostages and then Iran-Contra.

Dubya with the lies about Iraq.

Good point, R400. They're disgusting. As for Roberts, the analogy of him covering his ass like Flake is a good one. And remember. Kavanaugh worked in the office of the Special Counsel in the Bush White House for W. So a lot of these lower court judges know him, and got assistance from him during their own confirmation hearings. Unless it's proven that he did something heinous, they will give him a pass, IMO. But if, as you say, the 10th is mostly Dems a lot will hinge on who comprises the panel of review. The Appeals court usually selects 3 judges to sit in review.

Yes, r400, my point is the Republican Party has a long history of treason. This administration looks to be over the top.

I think Roberts is just letting him know the angry frat boy shit won't play well in his courtroom.

Call it treason or whatever, but to me it was always clear that the Republican Party only represents its 1% type of donors. Neither the 1% nor their lackeys give a fuck about the rest of the US and the world. It's all about their own advantage no matter who else suffers.

Is there a thread for the murdered Saudi whistleblower?

So sad.

It's clearly their message, R404, but who cares what they believe or want? They are but 1%, after all, and can buy an island to cry their xtian tears.

This god complex of having to rule and lord it over everyone while depriving them of their rights is the disease of the rich. Perhaps the time is right for the return of the guillotine.

Did a search, not seeing the Saudi thread. Can anyone link it?

It is hard to drag them out to the guillotine when they live in a fortress with body guards. It would be nice if they at least knew how hated they were.

There are a few threads. I'll link below and in next posts.

This is a thread about Khashoggi too.

Finally, here's a thread on the Senatrice's faux outrage about the disappearance.

Exactly, the 1% never cared at all about our democracy or our constitution and frankly, they are so selfish and thoughtless, they never need to be represented, they already live on their own planet.

I think we all see that Mueller is just passing time, he will never touch the Trump White House, Republicans don't want him to. We can all see that Trump, Jared, Kelly and most the cabinet are criminals, nothing will be done.

Can you just stop, R413? You have no clue what Mueller has or is planning? Also, from everything I have heard and read about him, he is loyal to the truth and the rule of law, not the Republican Party.

I can’t figure out if you’re a troll or what, honestly.

Mueller needs to make it to 01.03.2019.

It is that simple.

R415

why do you have me blocked r416?

Re: R413: still though they are humans (albeit unevolved) and their arrogant untouchability isn't an iron law.

If Mueller (I think improbably) transpires not to have knock-out blows, it's likely that cretin Trump - high on "No Collusion" - will blurtingly overreach somehow (even by his current non-standards) which renders him categorically unfit to continue.

Unintended consequences: with enough rope, he could hang himself.

What they need to do is eliminate ALL tax loopholes and raise the top tax tier to WWII levels (approx 94% over 2.5 million of todays dollars) and any offshore accts that are not declared get confiscated.....time to take control and to put the rich...and the nation...back in its place.

I agree with R419. My take on Mueller is this. As much as I would like to see Mueller get Trump for treason, I'm thinking it won't happen. Mueller will get a lot of people around Trump, like Donnie Jr. & Jared. But Trump will get burned on Obstruction. Then the state of NY will come after them for fraud and they will get busted for the corruption involving their foundation. If they can get Trump on money laundering that would be great. I hope so. Tax fraud and money laundering, obstruction aren't too shabby. They have to get him in a squeeze play though so he can't pardon anyone. If I were Mueller, I would make sure I had charges ready to go, detailed charges impossible to refute, then I would file in court and bust them all at once. Trump would scream like a scalded cat and raise 99 kinds of hell, but pardoning people would be the last thing on his mind. In fact I can see hi throwing Jr. under the bus along with Jared. Of course I have every reason to believe Jared will rat him out. Manafort will not get a pardon because he is cooperating. They have stripped him of his assets too. I hope that's what happens to Trump I will excuse the lack of jail time if I can watch him get stripped of all his holdings. The point is Trump is so completely corrupt, they can come at him all kinds of ways and I'll be OK. What I will not be OK with is Trump not getting busted at all.

I see two things here: firstly, Mueller doesn’t need Trump’s testimony to bring charges or make his case and, secondly, once the charges are brought Trump is going to have to testify anyway - and he’ll have to stick to the obvious lies in his written testimony.

Mueller is still cornering his prey.

If Trump ripped off his rubber Trump mask and revealed that he was literally Hitler his cult would cheer.

Actually Trump has the cold cunning eyes of The Fuhrer. With a bad black dye job and a little square moustache he could take his grotesque circus performance down to the next level.

The content of his rallies is going distinctly in that direction. If a clever cyber artist has already created the chilling image above I missed it, but it's an obvious and ugly graphic to create. And yes, all too many would not see it as satire.

There should be a method by which if you find out someone has blocked you (for instance they just list your link on a post) you can punch and delete in a way that you can truly disappear for them. That way when they try to read anything you’ve said they can’t.

Should work both ways. Can’t have your cake and eat it too. If you block me, get ready to never hear from me, as you initially wished. And if you block someone accidentally, it’s simple to unblock because people don’t announce those they’ve blocked accidentally, neither do they post links to their posts.

[quote] The numbers tell a shameful story. Barely half of all eligible millennial voters cast a ballot in the last presidential election, compared with nearly 70 percent of baby boomers and the two generations older than them. The midterms are far worse. In 2014, just 16 percent of people between the ages of 18 and 29 voted. So, while I love the placard that a kid held up during one of the March for Life anti-gun protests this year — “You can’t fix stupid but you can vote it out” — midterms are largely ignored by the young. And this November, with a president and a party in power determined to turn back time, only 28 percent of young adults say they are “absolutely certain” they will vote in midterms, according to one poll. By comparison, 74 percent of seniors say they will show up on Election Day. Other polls show a higher turnout among those at the front end of adult life, but it still lags behind those at the opposite end.

Stupid title to the article (it's not a "secret weapon - we've known about this for a decade at least) but here's a voter suppression overview from today.

I think Justice Roberts had to do something with the complaints. They couldn't just sit on his desk. So he picked which court to send them to. Not sure what their duty will be? Is there a lawyer representing the complaints/charges? Some of them are from attorney's who felt he disgraced the bar with his testimony. Which would be a complaint to the DC bar?

The complaints are that he perjured himself during his multiple hearings. From what I heard yesterday, anyone can bring those charges in the Washington court jurisdiction. The fact that they weren't automatically thrown out for lack of standing would seem to indicate that whomever brought the multiple charges (I believe it was multiple people) do have the ability to follow up on these charges. If it isn't thrown out for cause, I assume there would be discovery allowed which could include the release of all of Kavanaugh's documents in order to prove the perjury. Maybe we will get lucky and the fucker will have to do under oath in a deposition.

Yes, R413 is an obvious troll that has been desperately trying to pull that shit for awhile. Just look at its history.

Agreed, r430.

No way Trump is a Hitler manque.

Now Mussolini, that is a totally different story.

I feel the same r432.

May it never come to this.

Interesting that those who probably were Mussolini’ biggest backers may have been the mob who strung him up. I wonder if Trump’s fanboys would ever get that mad. Btw appreciated the jaunty Italian music that went with the video in R434’s post.

I was just recently reading a wonderfully bitchy book about The Duchess of Windsor. They all just ADORED Mussolini (and to a lesser degree, Hitler). It didn't matter to the elite back then if a man was a beast or a darling, as long as he was a head of state. Even Churchill, as "problematic" as he is, liked Mussolini at first.

The movie Tea with Mussolini shows that very well, R436. Cher, Dame Maggie, Dame Judi, Joan Plowright, and Lily Tomlin vs. Mussolini in the end but, at first, the Brits thought Mussolini was just fantastic. They held onto that for a while, too, even after things went to shit for them.

The difference now being that nobody of the slightest distinction or influence has any liking or respect for Trump.

The Pope's face and remarks, The Queen's downgraded invitation, and the laughing UN sent that message loud and clear.

Trump is a freak of nature to be endured, by no means enabled or indulged.

[quote]Interesting that those who probably were Mussolini’ biggest backers may have been the mob who strung him up

It’s not uncommon in these sorts of scenarios, is it? Rabid dogs have no true loyalty. And then of course there are those who are just cynically motivated; the Vichy French happily denounced their friends when it was no longer financially feasible to be allied to the Nazis.

Has anyone seen the report in the Daily Mail about Hillary losing her security clearances? They mash things so badly it was hard to determine whether Trump revoked them or she rejected them. Apparently her senior staff at the state department also got purged. WTF?

R440, here. I ask because IMO any gesture by the Trump administration which can be construed as a punitive gesture towards Hillary or any other Democrat, is completely evil and dangerous. You do not "punish " your political enemies in America. You don't sanction them, lock them up, or in any way attack them using the power of the state itself. Dissent is not illegal. YOu can attack them on the political campaign trail, but not by using the power of the state.

It sounds like it was done in solidarity with those who had their clearances revoked by Trump.

"Admiral McRaven has served both Republican and Democratic Presidents, and is a man of honor whose service to this country and heroism is virtually unrivaled," he continued. "Secretary Clinton has great respect for Admiral McRaven. She read this message & decided to take the step of voluntarily withdrawing her security clearance, which she maintained after leaving her post as Secretary of State to write her book, customary for former Secretaries."

Hills definitely made the request. Fatso will try n make it look like he one upped her.

Oh the bloom is fading from the Orange Rose

Agreed, r443. I read about it being done at her request and am just waiting for the forthcoming lies ....oopsie....the alternative facts.

r445, You were right the first time, they are lies. Don't ever give into the Orwellian double speak of this administration.

Media is reporting that the Saudi journalist who was murdered inside the Saudi embassy in Turkey, recorded his own murder including pictures taken with his iWatch, and sent to a cloud and to his iPhone. Now a bunch of tech people are saying they didn't think it had the capability to sent the stuff to his phone, but why not? It was definitely recorded on his watch. He deliberately turned on his watch to record, while he left the phone with his fiancee outside the embassy. So He must have either known or sensed he was in danger. How gruesome. The Saudi's who have sent their own investigative team never bargain on that I bet.

R413 is not a troll. He/she is someone who is beginning to feel the despair some of us are feeling. Nothing seems to happen to the orange pig. Tax fraud for years, paid off women he fucked and lied about it, his horrible and destructive domestic and foreign policies, And still no action. I want to believe Mueller Rosenstein and the SDNY will cap his ass but nothing thus far. Hell yes I'm depressed. every gd day some scandal comes out-his connection to MSB/ Saudi government and murder but Kushner's connection to the Saudi Prince has been known about for a while-he gave intel to MSB about his enemies and the enemies were rounded up at the Ritz and tortured and at least one died. Kushner and Trump have blood on their hands. But what will be done-nothing so far. Call me a troll if you wish but Trump controls the Judicial branch. So will they go against him? I pray they will.

Pundits are already predicting Trump will be elected to a second term. The Republican/Trump party are and will be responsible for the fate of the US as a failed democratic state. Trump has nearly destroyed the US in record time. Think what horrors he can inflict if he wins a second term.

Bullshit he will be re-elected. He doesn't know what he is doing and the economy will suffer as a result. Also Mueller's team will be unravelling and revealing the criminal behavior.

Trump wasn't even the winner of the last election and he has lost voters since then.

Plus, the Dems are going to win the house. Things will be much more interesting the next two years.

R448, I caught him on the news yesterday and he looked like absolute shit. At this point, if what I have read is correct, about a third of congress is compromised - that’s a lot on Mueller’s plate.

T'drump's connection to the incredibly rich Sheldon Adelson is one key to the weird policy, though the thugs really want that casino money. China is holding things up there, but they're moving fast in Japan. Just ask Abe about that audacious conversation Trump brought up on his behalf.

Bullshit, R448. R413 is none of those things you've mentioned. It's very clear from its posting history that it's a troll with one objective.

R453

Over the past decade, Jared Kushner’s family company has spent billions of dollars buying real estate. His personal stock investments have soared. His net worth has quintupled to almost $324 million.

And yet, for several years running, Mr. Kushner — President Trump’s son-in-law and a senior White House adviser — appears to have paid almost no federal income taxes, according to confidential financial documents reviewed by The New York Times.

His low tax bills are the result of a common tax-minimizing maneuver that, year after year, generated millions of dollars in losses for Mr. Kushner, according to the documents. But the losses were only on paper — Mr. Kushner and his company did not appear to actually lose any money. The losses were driven by depreciation, a tax benefit that lets real estate investors deduct a portion of the cost of their buildings from their taxable income every year.

In 2015, for example, Mr. Kushner took home $1.7 million in salary and investment gains. But those earnings were swamped by $8.3 million of losses, largely because of “significant depreciation” that Mr. Kushner and his company took on their real estate, according to the documents reviewed by The Times.

Significant depreciation = TAX DODGE

Go get 'em State of New York.

Yeah, any mention of a second Trump term is patently ridiculous. If he doesn’t croak by 2020 someone like Joe Biden will demolish him in the election.

"significant depreciation".....like DJT and his family did with their properties...only to turn around a few years later and sell them for 16x the value they declared.

Oh, but it's all OK because Jared is now officially a 'hidden genius', besides which, per his FIL, not paying taxes makes him 'smart.' Ladies and gentlemen, the Philosopher Kings who now inhabit the centre of power.

Last night Colorado Democratic Governor John Hickenlooper and Ohio Republican Governor John Kasich were guests on the Christiane Amanpour news hour on PBS. They are friends in real life and working together cooperatively on several issues, health care and climate change at the forefront. It was so refreshing and uplifting to hear two men from different parties stress cooperation and civility and discuss issues calmly, politely and with knowledge.

It was such a stark contrast to the narcissistic and blatant greed, bullying and lies of the current administration. A dark cloud of nasty is covering our country right now and it has to end. I'm counting on the midterms and Mueller investigation to blow most of the stench away but I'm getting awfully tired of waiting.

Regarding Kasich, I don't agree with many of his positions but, to me, he was the most palatable of the ridiculous Republican field in 2016.

I also find Christiane Amanpour an interesting and informative news host. Her show is free of "BREAKING NEWS" graphics and commercials and you hear different points of view from people who aren't continuously featured on cable. I do watch MSNBC and sometimes CNN but I tire of the relentless mention of the name trump.

R454

I agree, R460, but I also think it's a sad commentary on our political culture when Kasich—a voter-suppressing, almost-Scott-Walker-level union-busting reactionary is our model of workable politics.

Kasich seems very closety to me. There’s something about his hand mannerisms that has pinged my gaydar.

r463.........Kasich is known to be deeply in the closet....one of his old opponents even outed him while campaigning. He was living with his former chief of staff FOR YEARS.

Kasich's marriage history proves he's gay.

Kasich, like Trump, has those unfortunate lips which resemble a clenched anus.

What’s his marital history

FFS.....Google is your friend.

So Kushner (and Trump) use depreciation of their properties to avoid taxes. But why are they then not subject to the alternative minimum tax that the rest of us have to pay when we have too many deductions? Can one of the tax experts here explain?

it depends on what and how they file, r469.

People like the orange fool usually have numerous partnerships and LLC 's that are all partners of each other and they all flow into a trust.

So the dotard technically doesn't have any assets. All of his money is tied up in trusts that are partnerships or LLCs so any gains he has he covers them with other "losses" from another partnership.

It's like an onion with numerous layers all sheltering that small kernel in the middle.

I know that's not really helpful but if you think of it as a trust in partnership with an LLC and add layers out from there, you get the idea. Because that's how you hide money and assets. And it is legal.

It should not be but it is and it needs to change.

Alternative Minimum Tax, dammit!

No, r472, RICO asset confiscation.

All these rich assholes should be taxed based on the amount of money they brag about having. Maybe that will bring some humility back to society.

Democrats need to be thinking about NEW types of taxes.

Robot hours tax. If a robot replaces a worker, the company is not freed from paying the taxes on the work.

Not a capital gains tax, a CAPITAL tax. If a person has 10 million or more in investments, pay a gross 10% CAPITAL tax on the capital in addition to the capital gains tax.

A financial transaction tax. Trade stocks and bonds,. each time 1% of the trade.

Fully staff the IRS and concentrate on top 10% of incomes.

Treat them all like Manafort.

A PAC tax. 75% tax on monies used for any form of advertising. If the Koch brothers can spend 200M$ on ads, they can pay 150M$ in taxes on them.

I think they need to look at the entire way non profits get away with being tax exempt and contributing tens of millions to political campaigns. The Supreme Court may have fucked us with Citizens United, but the NRA and a lot of other groups ought to get taxed for the political spending.

These tax shelters just prove what the dotard said: reform the system. So where are these reforms he promised? Right there behind the closing coal burning power plants and dropping Dow.

R475, love your ideas. Send them to every senator who will listen! or...start at the state level...

I like R475's ideas too. Fucking tax cheats..meanwhile who pays taxes? The little people. Just like Leona said.

Yer darn tootin', r480!

Be prepared for the trolls in the coming weeks like this one in the Ryan Gosling FLOP thread:

[Quote] A Canadian and a Brit in an American story as the leads. I really hate stuff like that. And people wonder why we have Trump. Not only that but I didn't like the fact that they didn't put the flag in the film either. You know in the moon. Foreigners being all over American stories is a big reason why I keep my money in my pocket. And I'm as liberal and progressive as it gets. But there's so much real talent right here in america that never gets a chance because of hollywood and their bull shit. Haven't been to the movies since 2005 and very proud of it. Hollywood keeps getting it wrong on so many levels.

In the next few weeks, we will be hearing a LOT of: "I'm as liberal and progressive as it gets. But..."

You'd think they'd at least try to change it up every so often, r482. Maybe use "however" instead of "but".....

It’s from a “Babble”-like training manual.

They are afraid that attempting other sentence constructions will out them as non-native English speakers.

Everything said before 'but' is a lie, R482. No ifs and or buts about it.

Is it too quiet or am I just imagining this might be a big week for indictments again?

RICO is one if my favorite words.

We need to end pass through entities such as S corps and partnerships. They should get taxed at the corporate rate. Carrybacks limited to 3 years. Period.

Also end all tax exempt statuses for churches, PACs and entities who claim to be "educational" but they are money laundering fronts such as the NRA.

Sadly, the Rethugs keep cutting money to the IRS to make sure that enforcement goes down.

Everyone hates the IRS but if they went after the REAL tax scammers like the dotard and most of the scumbags in congress, it would be a different story.

No major indictments before the mid-terms..its protocol and Mueller is an adherent to it. Would be fabulous though

Fuck Mueller sticking to protocol when Trump and the Republican Party take a dump on the Constitution on a daily basis.

I am liking the tax ideas in this thread. Some of you may need to run for office or share your ideas with your Reps.

Things that Don't Help

California teacher who said Stephen Miller 'ate glue' as a kid placed on paid leave

A California school district has reassigned a teacher who said the President Trump aide ate glue when he was in her third-grade class in Santa Monica's Franklin Elementary. The comment, which was published in The Hollywood Reporter, has sparked a debate on the ethics behind teachers revealing past students' information.

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I can only assume he graduated to sniffing it.

Why not, r434?

I ate library paste in the first grade. It was somewhat like white frosting in texture and a bit sweet. I did not consume large quantities but I did give it a try. Also enjoyed peeling Elmer's Glue off my hands after covering the entire surface of my palm. Sort of like peeling a sunburn only better.

I hope Stephen Miller dies in a vat of glue, or maybe he can just fall in a tub of hot glue so his outsides can match his insides and he can officially become the Batman villain he's destined to be.

I dunno if this is a catchall thread for including legislators who are widely known to be compromised by Russia, and are 99.44% likely to be in Mueller's indictment list, but Orange County Congresscritter Dana Rohrabacher is not receiving any GOP PAC assistance.

There won't be any indictments after the mid-terms either because Trump is going to find a way to fire Mueller then.

r498. if you believe that this is not the Mueller investigation, it is the Special Investigation into Russian Interference. I would not doubt if ALL the collected information by Mueller is shared by the top ten appointees in the FBI. The investigation is not Mueller independent.

It's cute that you think that one move will just stop everything in its tracks, R498.

R498, and the Dems will own the House after the election.

And???? r501, the stupid Democrats will make Pelosi speaker again and she has said again, "impeachment is off the table."

Impeachment is off the table until the Senate is in a position to REMOVE Trump.

Pelosi is simply stating the political obvious. Or do you want:

House of Representatives passes articles of impeachment on Monday. On Tuesday the Senate convenes the Trial. On Wednesday the Senate finds Trump not Guilty.

Is THAT how you want Pelosi to waste political capital?

Well, Pelosi doesn't.

Sr502, do you think it would be wise for her to threaten impeachment at this point? I don't. I think we need to wait until the democrats are in control and the investigation results are known.

Remember, Nixon wasn't impeached.

The evidence against him was so persuasive that her resigned.

Pelosi knows that THAT is the blueprint.

I agree, r505

Pelosi also knows that Trump will NEVER resign.

The evidence provided by Mueller and the House investigations are only for the benefit of the Senate.

If the Senate turns on Trump, he is gone.

If no Senate, it may weaken him for a Republican challenger in 2020.

This game is more Chutes and Ladders than chess.

[quote] Democrats will make Pelosi speaker again and she has said again, "impeachment is off the table."

What she actually said is, “It’s not someplace I think we should go." The way she phrased it is not the same as saying impeachment is "off the table." Second, her way of framing the issue is a smart, strategic move. Why would you do anything to fire up his base weeks before the most important mid-term election in quite a while (and possibly ever). As soon as the Dems begin investigating this crooked, treasonous felon -- with or without Mueller's report -- it will be patently obvious that tRump has broken the law and needs to be removed from office.

No disrespect to the OP, I’ve pisted on almost all of these threads, but this has been the most painful one. Ever tried desperately to have an orgasm over and over and over, but couldn’t? It’s like that. I feel like we’ve been on this one for over a month, and it is k.i.l.l.i.n.g. me.

Others are right, no fucking way in holy hell will Mueller move now — which puts his case in a STRONGER position as it neutralizes accusations that he’s trying to interfere. But they will still throw everything but the kitchen sink at him.

The only people left for Mueller to hit are maybe Roger Stone, then the kids. then Fatass. Yes, of course there’s be players mixed in we may not know, but the family really is already boxed in, which is divine.

I have no doubt anymore that Melania is some kind of handler. Jared gave the Saudi’s direct intelligence in the death of Khashoggi. Peter Smith was murdered by Russians on US soil. There is tons of video kompromat on Cheeto.

He absolutely intends to run again. If we take the house, it’s possibld to stop him just through the sheer will of countless subpoenas.

[quote]I have no doubt anymore that Melania is some kind of handler.

Wow, that was a quick turn toward the crazy.

Really, the thought that Melania is a Red Sparrow is a crazy thing?

Yes, it is R511. She's a moron.

[quote]A federal judge ordered the unsealing of a significant portion of the grand jury report sent to the House Judiciary Committee in 1974 regarding the infamous break-in at the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate hotel and President Richard Nixon‘s role in covering it up. The report is commonly referred to as the Watergate “road map,” and could potentially be used to aid Special Counsel Robert Mueller in his ongoing investigation of the Trump campaign.

Can somebody explain what this means?

r512, bitch would cut you.

[quote]The report is commonly referred to as the Watergate “road map,” can somebody explain what this means?

It means you won't get lost shopping at the Watergate, Rose.

So does this mean Mueller is soon closing his investigation but needs some precedent on how to present his case so it will not be buried?

The Mueller investigation has legs that could last until 2025.

No reason to end it early.

But we must make it to 01.03.2019

Sure Trump could be investigated for years and years but Mueller only has to prove collusion and/or obstruction of justice. After that federal judges take over.

LOL at Giuliani and his fucking report to discredit Mueller's investigation. They are trying to give us the impression of activity, and even earlier they claimed a few days ago they were answering Mueller's questions in writing, but I believe that a lot of what they're saying is bullshit to give the impression they have a dialogue going with Mueller's team, when they very probably don't. Not saying there is no communication, but it is definitely not as Rudy portrays it. Mueller doesn't need to talk to Trump. He probably extended the invitation months ago and then saw the way Rudy and Trump's team used the request politically, and withdrew it. That Report will not get buried. That is the one thing I count on if the Dems win back the House. And once the report is shared with Congress it'll get leaked. Just like McConnell suppressing the Kavanaugh background investigation will eventually get leaked. Congressional staff are very dependable in that way.

If we win the House, I just want endless public committee investigations on Kavanaugh to discredit hin. Then we can open a new House investigation committee on Trump and kick Nunes off! Perhaps hold public hearings to reveal all the sneaky shitty stuff Nunes did to protect Dump. I believe the findings in itself may be enough to put pressure on the Senate to push Dump to be impeached. These findings can dovetail with Mueller's documents to form an overwhelming case for either indictment or impeachment.

If the Democrats take over the House they can re c onstitute committees. But I think the way it works is that members of Congress list their preferences of which committees they want to be on. They submit those to the Leader of their caucus, who then meets with the ranking member or chairman of those committees and they select. Now the Minority leader can express his preferences as to who he wants on a particular committee, but the Speaker can refuse to assign him if the Chair of the committee doesn't want him.

I wish all of the Trump shenanigans were getting the daily televised Watergate Hearings treatment.

There's definitely been some pushback from the Communications director, Bill Shine towards the media insisting on more balance. I've noticed it. And Trump is doing more interviews. We're in a very dangerous place if the media starts normalizing this ratfucking piece of shit.

The media has been on his side from day one. He feeds the frenzy and he is the clown who brought in the circus.

Bob Woodward said in an interview recently that the media really failed the public by not making it a bigger deal that Trump refused to release his taxes. Woodward himself was trying to get his hands on them but he couldn't.

The media can make but they can also break him. Just like Nixon and Watergate became a media sensation, same thing could happen with Trump once the House starts with hearings.

It's just really worrying that not law and order, not justice and the courts will bring him down but a public opinion that is dependent on what the media feeds it.

R524 One thing the Trump years make clear is that all the built-in checks and balances do not work when one very corrupt party is in control of all branches of government. And on top of that, too much of the media is also controlled by people too friendly with said corrupt party to the point it is nothing but an apologist at best and a co-conspirator at worst.

Citizens United, R524. All the money flowing in, dark money, unaccounted for, unreported. The media is the prime beneficiary of that money. They have elevated political reporting, "debates" etc. to a reality show. It gets priority. So they can say, hey look. We increased our political reporting. It's our "civic duty." But the fact is, by ginning up the overage and making it almost a sporting event, trivializing important issues, etc. this reality show brings in big bucks with very little outlay of cash on their end. The ratings are up so the revenue is up from advertising, and paid ads from political groups or the "advocacy groups" is up too. The Kochs and all those fat cats, oligarchs, etc. are all paying the media. Back in the old days, the TV networks were required to set aside the news segments from the commercial segments. The News operations were not revenue producing. They were public service. And there was an "equal time" rule but all of that is gone now.

" They have elevated political reporting, "debates" etc. to a reality show."

That's hardly elevating, r526.

No one's talking about Mueller in relation to midterms. Makes sense.

Time for the Irish American Democrats to run those vile traitors to the race out of office: McConnell, Ryan, that Kennedy corpse on the Judiciary committee, and any other Irish American POS who forgot history and their place. Status was always important to the Celtic race, but it was always a GIFT given by the people, not one you buy for yourself and expect to keep going for generations without merit or honor.

I love this picture, OP, and thanks.

Yeah, the Watergate unsealing is potentially good. At least an interesting source of possible guidance on how to move forward (or how to tweak any existing plan).

I don't know. I don't like this being discussed right now. It's too soon and it allows the Republican Congress and Trump WH to take measures to forestall or stop it from happening to him. I would much rather that Mueller had announced his report and invoked the Watergate road map to demonstrate precedent for releasing the report. We can't afford to lose any advantage we have and the element of surprise is basic among them.

On TV saw this woman "praying" to Trump to come to the Florida panhandle and help her recover from her loses due to the storm..

Lady, contact FEMA, apply for aid, contact state and local services, hope you had homeowners and flood insurance, contact relief charities, ask neighbors, friends, and relatives for help.

Her prayers to the Church of Trump won't work.

Maybe Tucker Carlson from Fox News heard her plea, and will volunteer to come help her.

WOW. Did anyone watch Trump with Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes? He is an absolute ignoramus. Didn’t understand questions and was essentially an idiot.

Why past tense; why “essentially”?

R534, arrogant ignorance will only hoist him in the eyes of deplorables. They revel in their own ignorance and hate the intelligentsia.

Why does the press even humor this asshat with interviews? Total disgrace. How much more rope does he need to hang himself? I mean, c'mon!

Just remember. People knew who he was and what he was before they voted for him. They knew about his infidelity, his marriages, his personality, etc. the pussy grabbing con artist who refused to show his tax returns and scammed people through Trump Uiversity, the contractors who never got paid, the guest worker waivers he got to hire "foreigners" for his resorts, etc. So why do you expect the devoted followers to give a fuck about him being ignorant or "essentially an idiot" now?

Perdue commits battery in defense of Nazi Kemp.

[quote] Just remember. People knew who he was and what he was before they voted for him

And the non-voters knew about him too. At least Americans have given up trying to convince me most of them aren't ignorami or idiots.

The House and Senate forecast odds are the opposite of each other - 4/5 chance for Dems in House, 1/5 in Senate.

R541, there is still time. Three weeks is an eternity in politics...and news cycles. 1/5 is not great. Not even probable. But it is possible. So let's not give up!

All these downer reports are deliberately meant to discourage people from turning out. Turn it off. Keep working.

R542, agreed. I just really want at least one of the two chambers. It's not downer news - it's just an update.

I know, R544, but it seems like the news media will be flooding us with polling, handicapping this damned election and it will have the effect of discouraging some voters...unfortunately not the right ones.

The corporate media presents Trump as information-entertainment. Talking heads will Express dismay, then it is moving on to the next set of antics. Then there are these "both sides" debates that are argumentative and spin. Then the media is pushing for midterm elections horseraces.

Trump gets away with shit that no one else could. It is tiresome, damaging, frustrating, and immensely divisive. The Mueller investigation is not moving fast enough for me; and is shocking the level of interfence being tolerated, and even facilitated, by a large number of Republicans in Congress. They are not being held accountable.

Trump and company are totally focused on personal and family wealth, not the welfare of the nation. It justs repeats itself with every action.

I'll vote, but feel less than optimistic about the process and potential results.

If Trump wanted the WH run like a reality show, then he will get his wish in spades when Pelosi gets subpoena power.

Every once in awhile I find it necessary to mention this as It’s importance seems forgotten all too often: FOX NEWS!!!

Donald Trump, Devin Nunes, Mitch McConnell, etc. aren’t the problem. They’re the symptoms. If they didn’t have a forum to spew their lies and hatred, they wouldn’t be able to get away with it. The disease is Fox news (and it’s various offshoots), and the contributors funding it. To Deplorables it’s the gospel, their sole news source. Without Fox, Trump wouldn’t have a viable platform to spread his divisive speeches of venom. Even if we can successfully get rid of Trump, Pence, etc, there’ll be others to take their place – UNLESS - we get rid of the source! I don’t know how this can be done, but the first step in solving a problem is to identify it!

If Dems don't take the Senate, the right wing takeover the the judicial branch underneath SCOTUS will continue for another two years, at which point it will matter less and less that Dems get the WH in 2020. The courts will block ANYTHING progressive that comes from a Democrat-controlled government.

Vote, because your future depends on it!

r548. I am sorry, but you are not going deep enough.

The 1% who owns right wing media like Fox News are to blame for Trump. They also pay polititians to deliberately dumb down US citizens so they can be manipulated more easily by media outlets like Fox News.

I mean no smart person using common sense would believe

- that unions, who fight for the workers to get decent salaries and better and safter work conditions, are the people's enemies.

- or that affordable healthcare for all is terrible, because it's so darn unfair to the pharma industry and to the individual to pay for someone else's medical treatment.

- or that Planned Parenthood is bad, because all they do is give abortions to slutty women.

- or that it's so unfair for big business to pay taxes on their billion dollar profits and therefore need more and more tax cuts.

[quote]essentially an idiot.

I think this is one case where the term "literally" could literally be used.

I get why Mueller is waiting until after the election to issue more indictments ( I hope) but it still gets under my skin that James Comey didn't do the same thing back in 2016 to Hillary Clinton's detriment.

I know, I know, the two aren't really related; what Comey did was wrong, and Mueller is doing the right thing, but still, I'd love it if Mueller did something that would torpedo the Republicans chances in this election the same way.

But Mueller is too much of a boyscout to ever do anything like that.

And that's why we trust him.

Comey was blackmailed by the NY FBI field office....why does everyone miss that ?

r553, I don't know James, why?

r554.....

You can have as many Faux News channels as you like, if nobody falls for their shit reporting full of lies, they have no power.

The problem lies with the people who are soaking up their dreck. The problem starts with low education standards and continues with religious influence and an all around trash culture.

Hey R414, I wanted to believe that Mueller was a good man and just doing his job and not political. I also know that an investigation can take years but our country is desperate with this fool in the White House...what good will his investigation do if we have already lost our democracy?

There is absolutely no reason why Mueller is waiting to file indictments...it is unfair to the American people. At this point, the wants and needs of Republicans should be considered, THEY NEED AN EDUCATIIN.

Why is Guilliani acting like a blithering idiot all the time? Does he really think he could be chosen as Attorney General? Lindsay would be disappointed. So much slime, waiting for some scrape to fall off that polluted table.

For some reason my nephew only listens to Fox News...I never thought he was stupid but I guess I was wrong.

We need a midterms thread.

Is Stacey a lez?

Judge threw out Stormy Daniels's defamation suit. Unable to post link.

Here

R559, he's not "acting."

[quote]One thing the Trump years make clear is that all the built-in checks and balances do not work when one very corrupt party is in control of all branches of government.

Yes, the system is not working when the three parts of government can dismantle democracy which is the case with this congress; OKing corrupt judges and covering up Trump's crimes.

Very worrying the whole situation.

Bill Kristol says Ms. Lindsey Graham wants to be Secretary of Defense.

Loves those army boys

Wolfe

the r528 pic makes my leg tingly

No, the checks are not working and we have no control over what is happening to our country...it is turning into Naziland.

He thinks it will give him "straight cred" r567

What happened with the RR meeting with Dotard?

Interesting, R572.

Seriously r572? It happened, last week I think. Rosenstein accompanied Drumpf on a plane trip and they talked it out. Bottom line: Rosenstein stays, for now.

I'm aware of that R574... I'm just surprised there weren't any more details about it .

[quote] People knew who he was and what he was before they voted for him.

Also, don't forget that Christians knew exactly what kind of man Trump was and flocked to him in droves. I will never again entertain the idea that Christians give a shit about morality, period.

Why is Mike Pompeo so fucking fat?

Scripture says that the Antichrist will be a deceiver and hailed as a Savior....and that the flock will follow him blindly. You would think, with all the so-called Bible experts praising him, that one of them actually read the Bible.

r578 lotsa dumb clucks in Yankland think there's only one authoritative Bible source and that everyone knew English in Jesus's day and no translation losses ever happened because God's Word is invincible, or something. So why don't they go with the first Bibles? Because they're Catholic and in Yurpeen langwidges.

I'd have thought the Antichrist to be more slick and convincing than a 300-lb fleshy entity with decaying brain matter, to be honest.

You're talking as though the majority of them know how to read.

I really want to start seeing more and more of the Deplorables crying because they were "tricked," by him.

Have we done, "Celestial Treasonings", yet?

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out.

It's on the list, R582, thanks.

[quote]I will never again entertain the idea that Christians give a shit about morality

It's only bad when liberals and democrats do it.

I'm so sick of hearing people bitching about Hillary's response re: Bill and Monica.

It's so fucking ridiculous and really rich that fucking Repugs are whining that she deflected. Really? They want to go there?

And fuck the Dems who criticize her fucking answer. They still haven't learned that taking the high road and acting different than the Repugs gets you nowhere.

whatabout whatabout?

Anyone else getting sick of Avenatti? The stuff at R588 is just too much. He's believing his own hype too much at this point.

I never liked Avenatti, he's trash and I have no idea why DL thought he was hot.

Absolutely not, R190. I love that he has the balls to attack them and in turn, the Rethugs are absolutely scared shitless of him. If they didn't care, they wouldn't constantly be bringing him up. Look how often they brought him up at the Kav hearings. That alone tells you he gets under their skin and I'm absolutely all for it. As long as he's pissing them off I'm happy for him to continue.

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out.

Avenatti is a lightning rod but he is also hurting us. When he first came on the scene and went after Cohen he had a lot of credibility. He's lost a lot of it, IMO and his new political persona may have cost him the case the judge ruled against him with stormy.

Explain r594

I see nothing wrong with what Avenatti is doing. At least he's willing to go after them like a rabid dog and he fights back the way they do - that's why they hate him.

I'm sick of people expecting Dems to take the moral high ground. Going higher is part of the reason we're where we are.

Link to new thread.

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Rod negotiated some extra overtime.