Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

ThWhen will it Be Mushroom Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/21/18) e Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41)1) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Scalia's death was a big surprise and it could happen again. Let's hope they make the same mistake they did with Justice David Souter.

Brilliant, OP.

I miss little Toad. I hate looking at both of those ugly faces of christo-fascism.

I like beer. Don't you like beer? I like beer!

brilliant and appropriate title, OP.

Thanks!

Will Kavanaugh make it through next week?

R9 You know the Dems are fired up to find more dirt on the guy before the floor vote. The least they can do is massively shame all the GOP senators who cast the final votes for this scumbag.

Dramatic slow clap of appreciation to OP for this clever thread title. You, sir or madam, outdo yourself every thread.

Manchin agreeing to Flake's proposal as well now.

r12...and Lisa Murkowski.....

Excellent title.

Oh, now what? Just a delay for the sake of PR. I want Brett's ass on the bench NOW. Most qualified candidate ever.

Thanks for the thread, OP!

Great title but I can't with the photo.

Two assholes with butthole mouths. Gross.

Mark Judge issued a statement saying he'll cooperate with any "confidential" investigation per his attorney.

Thanks OP! 💕

Per MSNBC: Sen. Cornyn: There will be an FBI background check on allegations.

Hm. Why would he need confidentiality to cooperate if theres no there there?

What an arrogant prick Judge is, r17! Like he has a choice as to whether to cooperate with the FBI.

Has this been added to the threads?

38 days

Re R543 from previous thread about the SCOTUS case next month that could jeopardize separate state level charges - If the Kavanaugh rush is to decide this case and avoid state charges for Cheeto and Co., the fact is that Cheeto isn't likely to be indicted by Mueller at least any time soon. None of the Cheeto Klan have been federally indicted either. But the NY state AG is already probing into the Trump foundation and the Trump Organization and will still be able to charge anyone. Manafort faced potential state charges but he is now cooperating so such charges are unlikely.

It's also about double jeopardy, and I don't see Mueller passing off duplicate federal and state charges. I believe the tax evasion charges, for instance, that Manafort faced were for both fed and state unpaid taxes.

Human trafficking and money laundering charges may be what he's most afraid of. I remember posting quite a while back that it was what I suspected the Trump family's real business was all about because of the obvious nexus of prostitution/hotels/beauty contests/modeling agencies.

Meanwhile, over at the EPA, science is being actively murdered to ensure christo-fascist support

[quote]What an arrogant prick Judge is, [R17]! Like he has a choice as to whether to cooperate with the FBI.

From my understanding, because this is not a criminal investigation, Judge does indeed have a choice as to whether he wants to answer questions or not since he cannot be compelled to do so.

Is this credible?

LOL at Avenatti's "old white men like @tedcruz" in the tweet posted in the last thread. Ted Cruz is less than two months older than Michael Avenatti!

The Mueller investigation is being so overshadowed by this Brett insanity. Good. Mueller is quietly working hard while everyone is distracted.

We all know what's going to happen now - whenever the truth is revealed about a Rethug they're going to just shout that it's all a lie made up by Dirty Dems to discredit them. And of course Deplorables will eat it all up.

Daddy Drumpf has taught them well.

The Republicans always play to their followers. They don't give a fuck how the Liberals see them. They see us living in some silly bubble being lied to by the Lamestream media and turn into weaklings who need safe spaces and get triggered by random words. And we Liberal see that as them projecting their own bubble reality onto us.

These thread titles are so, so very stupid.

What's funny is these dorks posing as alpha males have no idea what to do about an actual alpha like Avenatti. I hope he has a sack of filth on everyone. Do you suppose Gloria Alred hates him?

R33 is on the short bus.

What the actual fuck???

I posted this on one of the earlier threads:

[quote]"What’s the rush with Kavanaugh you say? Why not investigate? Here is why: So it is now very clear why the GOP is so desperate to get Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court by next month that they would schedule a vote before hearing from Dr. Ford or any other witness that comes forward. BIG STAKES HERE... if you check out SCOTUSblog, you will see that on next month's docket is: Gamble v. U.S., No. 17-646. Issue(s): Whether the Supreme Court should overrule the "separate sovereigns" exception to the double jeopardy clause. They are desperate. The plan was to appoint Kavanaugh early this week so that he would be seated in time for this ruling. It was in the bag. Saves everyone involved from state charges. Not only Trump but all políticos who were knowingly enriched by the $$$ funneled through the NRA into the coffers of McConnell, Graham, Rubio, Ryan, etc. So if Kavanaugh gets appointed he’d effectively vote to stop states from charging Trump or anyone else involved. Obstruction of justice."'

I swear when I looked earlier the facts seem to be in place and this was scheduled for October. I just checked the blog again and now that case has been moved from October to an undetermined date.

Proof they're all trying to fucking obstruct justice.

[quote]From my understanding, because this is not a criminal investigation, Judge does indeed have a choice as to whether he wants to answer questions or not since he cannot be compelled to do so.

He CAN be subpoenaed, and as a matter of fact a motion was presented exactly to that effect by a democrat committee member- of course, it got shafted.

We need to applaud those two women that cornholed Flake in the elevator. Whoever they are, thank you.

Now with the FBI investigation the FBI only has to find a suspicion of something gone wrong and it gets reported back to the justice department to investigate independently of the FBI inquiry ordered by Trump.

kavanaugh is fucked.

We need to applaud those two women that cornholed Flake in the elevator. Whoever they are, thank you.

Now with the FBI investigation the FBI only has to find a suspicion of something gone wrong and it gets reported back to the justice department to investigate independently of the FBI inquiry ordered by Trump.

kavanaugh is fucked.

They could become the Rosa Parkses of the MeToo movement.

WTF, is everyone out on a date? The FBI has been ordered to investigate and no one is crowing and fist pumping?

I'm doing a happy dance and it's because ol' LDS Flake made the sucker blink!

Where's the NYer cartoon of Lady Liberty blocking the elevator door while shifty eyed, crooked nosed Flake stares at his feet? Please, hurry up and draw that.

Sorry, for some reason the posts didn't all load and I could only see up to R28. I should have known better.

R21, you're forgetting what class these jerks are from. The elite attitude never leaves. I wonder if he'll throw Kav' under the bus with the drinking as payback?

R36 Is that also a reason the Repugs want Kavanaugh SPECIFICALLY?? They really could have gotten a number of qualified judges, but they seemed intent on him. I also suspect there's another reason I haven't seen or figured out yet.

All I know is that the two ladies are named Maria. Are they here legally???

Kavanaugh must be too imprtant for their right wing agenda or else they would have dropped him for the bad press. But since Trump bad press is all they get anyway.

I can't remember that much shit coming up in previous SCOTUS candidate hearings and interviews. I mean Antonin Scalia must've been a real piece a work before he joined SCOTUS and that didn't seem to hinder him getting selected.

[quote]...you're forgetting what class these jerks are from. The elite attitude never leaves.

I read an article yesterday that one of the reasons Blasey Ford is still not being believed in certain circles is that she is now seen as a 'class traitor'. One of the elites taking down one of their own. It simply isn't done. I hope Mueller is the next 'class traitor' to take out his targets.

I saw a Meme going around by Deplorables that Dems are stupid and don't realize that Mueller is only there to make them feel better and in reality that's all he's doing... biding time to make Dems think he's doing something about a fake Russian thing they believe in.

Talk about delusional.

But then again, these are the same people who believed in Pizzagate.

"I saw a Meme going around by Deplorables that Dems are stupid and don't realize that Mueller is only there to make them feel better and in reality that's all he's doing."

If that's what the Deplorables believe, Great!

Someone researched Kavanaugh's decisions and found that he sided 100% with big business against the little guy.

He is a white privileged corporate whore.

He is an extreme Catholic in his post Jesus meet life.

He would overturn Roe, Lawrence and any number of civil rights protections.

Hell Miss Graham knows that if you repeal the 13th and 14th Amendments, you can re institute slavery.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SETTLED LAW!

They just want to cover all of their asses for taking Russian money from the NRA. What does Russia want from us? Because they won't tolerate not getting a return on their investments.

I am posting this link here rather than in the Kavanaugh thread because there is a record of time here. Mike Pence lived in Judge’s grandmother’s house until Inauguration Day. I suspect there is a direct link of Russia interference going on here. My guess is that this little puzzle piece eventually will contribute towards evidence that Kavanaugh was paid off (gambling debts?) by Putin/Trussia to ensure that Trump’s treason is not prosecuted successfully in court as a criminal act.

That's an interesting thread R54 but I really don't see how he gets tied into it other than coincidence at this point.

r54, per your link, Judge's family did not own the house while Pence lived there. They had sold it previously. So, what do you think is compelling about him living there? People of Judge and Pence's class are only going to feel comfortable living in a limited number of areas, surrounded by other children of the corn. It looks like a not particularly surprising coincidence. And I bet if you dug around more, you'd find most of the red right live in the same 3 neighborhoods and that many live in houses that have previously been owned by other republicans.

One thing that I found interesting in that link above is the provision in DC. How if the crime happened in DC, basically a crime like that happening to a child, if a child says it happens it happened and there's no need for a witness to corroborate.

That's how I understood it anyway.

But how does that work when the crime was 30+ years ago and how does it work when the parties involved were all minors?

At the moment Mike Judge’s grandmother’s/Mike Pence’s house is one of the potential likely locations of Kavanaugh’s sexual assault on Ford.

And in non-Kavanaugh, non-Mueller news:

[quote]A federal judge on Friday gave the go-ahead to a lawsuit filed by 200 congressional Democrats against President Donald Trump alleging that Trump has violated the Constitution by doing business with foreign governments while in office.

[quote]The lawsuit is based on the Constitution's emoluments clause, which bars presidents from taking payments from foreign states without Congress's consent. Trump's business, which he still owns, has hosted foreign embassy events and visiting foreign officials at its downtown District of Columbia hotel.

. . .

[quote]In his ruling, Federal Judge Emmet Sullivan agreed with the legislators, writing that they have legal standing to sue and their case can proceed.

[quote]"The Clause requires the President to ask Congress before accepting a prohibited foreign emolument," Sullivan wrote. If the allegations made by Democrats are true, he wrote, then "the President is accepting prohibited foreign emoluments without asking and without receiving a favorable reply from Congress."

[quote]Typically, judges are skeptical when individual legislators seek to sue the president. In this case, Sullivan allowed it, writing that the lawmakers had no where else to turn for a remedy other than the courts.

more at link

r58...ok, and?...You think they'll find DNA 36 years later after multiple owners? My understand from Ford's testimony was that she believed they had been at the house of PJ aka Squee. I'm sure many women have been sexually assaulted in many different houses in fancy D.C. suburbs and I'm equally sure that many repubs in government have lived in and owned many houses that were previously lived in and owned by other republicans in government. It's about as surprising as the children of two colleagues going to the same school or Ford going to the Safeway where Judge worked; in other words, not surprising or suspicious at all. Your factsgirl may want to recalibrate her pattern recognition sensor.

R59 Well, that's one of the reasons Trump needs Judge Rapist in the SC.

Wouldn't it be crazy if there was BK DNA on an article of clothing that Ford saved and hid in the rafters somewhere? Or, someone comes forward with Polaroids of the night in question. I've been watching too much SVU.

She was so sweet and cooperative during her testimony that I can see her saying, "Oh, by the way, if it would be helpful or if anyone would like to have it, I do still have the t-shirt I was wearing that day. You see, my grandmother bought it for me and it had sentimental value before everything happened and I just couldn't get rid of it even though it has bad memories attached to it, too, now. You know, if it would help..."

How anyone can look at that slimy, lying, pinch-faced, bloviating piece of shit Kavanaugh versus the seemingly intelligent, caring, kind, helpful, and honest Blasey Ford and take his fucking side is beyond me. Repugs need to burn in their own special hell.

Other non-Kavanaugh, non-Mueller news:

The U.S. State Dept. will no longer let same-sex domestic partners of UN employees get visas unless they are married. But only 12% of UN member states allow same-sex marriage.

"Currently accredited same-sex domestic partners of UN officials who wish to maintain their G-4 visa must be ready to submit proof of marriage by 31 December 2018. After 12/31, they will be expected to leave the US within 30 days" if they can't show proof of marriage."

[quote]We need to applaud those two women that cornholed Flake in the elevator. Whoever they are, thank you.

Flake denied that they had anything to do with his decision. I think it's probably true that they didn't make him reconsider his stance on Kavanaugh -- instead, he realized that the footage of that confrontation would haunt him in future political campaigns.

I would be pleasantly surprised if the Republicans drop Kavenaugh (or force him to resign on his own), because I have a very low opinion of the Republican Party these days and I fully expect him to be their official new representative at SCOTUS furthering their agenda.

What future political campaigns, R65? He's a dead man walking, politically.

WOW, R64, outright homophobia. The Democrats need to make sure this is out there.

I have heard that Flake wants to challenge Trump in a primary. Assuming the Orange one is still in office.

[quote]What future political campaigns, [R65]? He's a dead man walking, politically.

No politician ever thinks it's over. Flake will run for president one day, though I think he'll wait until 2024.

[quote]Flake denied that they had anything to do with his decision. I think it's probably true that they didn't make him reconsider his stance on Kavanaugh -- instead, he realized that the footage of that confrontation would haunt him in future political campaigns.

If he's worried about the footage of the confrontation haunting him---- then the women had everything to do with his decision.

Just went and looked at that footage. I'd love to put my foot up the ass of his blonde assistant trying to shut those women down. They ignored her. This should be required watching for the whole country.

These women are all of us. We know we matter. Enough.

This is such a festering cesspool of bloated maggots.

Every old, straight white man in my hood has put up rethug signs. I want to cunt punt every one of them.

I know I have said it before but to quote Jack Nicholson's Joker:

It's homecoming weekend in my neck of the woods. I didn't hear any of the crowd joining in, but the local Republican chair did chant "Confirm Kavanaugh!"

R75 What a deplorable (red)neck of the woods!

Advice for R75: move.

It's a shame really R70. Flake is very handsome with a bland personality so to speak. It surprised me to learn how many women get damp/think about fucking him when they see his cowboy photos and shirtless pics.

The Republican's could have used him as their candidate against Hillary and woulda won. Now that they are the Trump party they have become the party of angry bullies and criminals. Flake will never be President, but he sho is cute.

I finally watched the video of the elevator confrontation. What stood out to me was Flake repeatedly looking up to see if he was still being filmed. He knew that was going to go viral and he looked sheepish.

I saw just one moment where he looked attentive, R79, while also pressing buttons as the women blocked the door. A split second is all it took, apparently.

My take away was what a coward he was trying to close the doors on them and how he wouldn't look at either of them in the eyes.

Yep, R81, you're right. The only time he does is when she demands it and then it's only to glance at the camera as he then looks down again.

Whatever it took I hope he votes against.

I’m going to try to not be really hard on Jeff Flake. We needed one person to step up, and he did. He could have faded into the woodwork along with the rest of the Nazirepubs but he didn’t. I think it took guts to do what he did. I’m only looking at this single act btw. As a party, every Republican needs to be voted out because they all support the party nonsense but I’m glad at least one of them chose this moment to do the right thing.

I agree with you, R83, but I don't trust him to vote him down no matter what the FBI comes up with. I read this as more about covering their own asses.

Does anyone have pix of him before he nose wound up sideways on his face?

R84 yes.... Would Flake had done the same if he’d been up for re-election? I suspect we may have seen a different outcome.

No doubt, R86. They have proven what they are. Even this little delay of one week, though a good thing, also provides cover and time for them to discredit more witnesses.

The weekend is early. Expand the scope.

Follow the money trail of another conservative eyeballs deep in miraculously & suddenly wiped out debt.

I don't think it's that. I rather believe that they expect the public to grow tired of the Kavenaugh drama and just move on to the next shiny news drama the coming days will provide and they will confirm Kavenaugh while the focus and attention is somewhere else.

R89 I believe they hope that will happen, but I think they’re morons if they think it will.

Flake stated this morning, that provided the FBI finds nothing, hes voting yes.

r89....while everyone was glued to Kavanaugh, the House voted for another 3.8 billion dollar tax cut.

Yep, R92, and they were hoping we wouldn't notice. I did. You did. Guess they failed.

R91, did he say "nothing"? Republicans have no idea how simple-minded (or actually disingenuous) they sound to an educated or even halfway intelligent public. What the hell does "if they find nothing" even mean in a situation like this? No new charges? No new witnesses? No smoking gun? Is he going to gloss over BK's obvious financial improprieties?

I sent my congressman (Jeff Merkley) a link to the Mother Jones article. He needs to fully disclose this financial situation. This should have been a much bigger deal in the questioning.

r94 they're all nose deep in financial crimes, so: yes! that will be one thing ignored across the board. and the reason they have to ignore everything else.

Social Media is going on focused on making sure people keep calling Collins and Murkowski but I think people need to be reminded to flood Flake's phone, email, social media with messages as well reminding him that he will be hounded and approached for the rest of his life by survivors who will let him know exactly what he's done and how his name will go down in history.

[quote]He is an extreme Catholic in his post Jesus meet life.

He's the type of guy who wouldn't hesitate to arrange for an abortion for his college girlfriend, but is anti-choice.

[quote]I’m going to try to not be really hard on Jeff Flake. We needed one person to step up, and he did. He could have faded into the woodwork along with the rest of the Nazirepubs but he didn’t. I think it took guts to do what he did.

I see him as having done the bare minimum to appease his conscience. Outlawing abortion is so close he can taste it and he is not going to let that opportunity pass. But he had to do something so that he can continue to think of himself as a godly man.

r98 have you read about Flake's adorable son, Tanner, who likes to use social media to threaten to beat the shit out of f****ts under the handle "n1ggerkiller"? I hope Flake is not still under any delusions of decency about himself.

R99 I wouldn't expect anything less from someone named Tanner in AZ.

Flake asking people to confront him in an elevator anytime at the Global Citizen Festival, cringe-inducing, especially since he's probably going to cave and vote for Kavanaugh anyway.

[quote][R98] have you read about Flake's adorable son, Tanner, who likes to use social media to threaten to beat the shit out of f****ts under the handle "n1ggerkiller"? I hope Flake is not still under any delusions of decency about himself.

Holy fuck! No, I did not know about that. Never mind what I said then.

r103 oh so now he's the one who is suffering so it matters boo fucking hoo scumbag

I hear Tanner's uncle is throwing him a birthday party.

r105 by "hear" do you mean you're social media stalking the teenage son of a public coward?

I think you missed the joke, R106.

R98, R102 - here is the story.

What joke?

R109 about Tanner's birthday.

So Trump limited the scope of the FBI and what theyre allowed to look at in this new BI.....no Swetnick (the gang rape...Avenattis client), no Mark Judge employment records from the supermarket, no looking into his drinking, etc......

The FBI will look into every nook and crannie that's needed. Trump hasn't been a friend to the FBI, to say the least, and if he says don't look there it will sound like an alarm to them.

So Lindsey is actively trying to push Jeff Sessions out as AG so he can be named himself?

r111, yeah, we know. Do keep up.

Somehow, R112, I doubt that. They're not going to use this case to overstep what he tells them to do. It'll just further Drumpf's narrative that they can't be trusted and work rogue and Deep State and Pizza basements.

r113, he's trying to keep video of himself being fisted by a dozen seven year old Thai boys dressed up as Oompa Loompas from being released. If that means he has to dance, he'll dance. If that means he has to dress up as the AG, he'll pretend to be an AG. Oh and they're all terrified of being sent away for life for money laundering, but the Senatrix is a fucking drama queen AND a go-getter.

The thing is, they FBI may be limited in who they can approach to interview but once people start being interviewed, they are not limited in following where the information leads. I heard a former FBI agent say to someone on MSNBC the other night that an FBI investigation is like a beast, once it is released, you don't know where it will go and nothing can stop it.

The FBI is an independent agency and though its director is appointed by the POTUS, the agency does not answer to him.

Thank you, r117, I had been wondering about that.

r117 sure but that info will not be allowed to be submitted in their report and the senate will "make their decision" based only on what's in the report, which will be nothing, as is the intention.

The FBI will put all of their findings in the report. I have no doubt the White House will try to redact or edit things but they will not be able to because the entire Senate will also be given the report. The FBI will not edit their findings.

Black out drinking is related to the sexual assaults they are investigating, isn’t it? And he probably lied outright to the Senators about that.

Both Senators from South Carolina are single fellas. Tim Scott is 53 and is described by his wikipedia page as "unmarried" and "a devout evangelical Christian." Do we have a case here of two gay senators, one of them African American? South Carolina may be more enlightened than I'd thought!

I should add that Tim Scott is afflicted with gay face (gummy subdivision), though not as bad a one as la Sénatrice.

So Avenatti's client is not included in the FBI investigation? Oh well then Avenatti needs to bring his client and her charges out on his own I guess; a nice lawsuit in Maryland wouldn't be a bad thing either.

GO AVENATTI!

Was Swetnick's incident in Maryland? I thought that one was in college. Or was that just the dick in the face one?

If there was any justice in the world, a group of women would strip Kavanaugh naked and throw his ass down the capital steps while throwing beer cans at him.

Avenatti's client Swetnick, claims she knew Kavanaugh and Judge when they were still in high school. So it would fall within the laws of Maryland I believe.

Let's not forget Mark Judge's former girlfriend who says Judge guiltily confided to her that in high school he had, in fact, participated in train-running on girls with other boys from his Georgetown Prep (she didn't say that he named any of them).

Avenatti keeps saying that he might consider legal action later on, but why isn't he doing anything now? You do realize that the Republicans are just waiting for this week and then regardless of what the FBI finds, they are determined to vote for Kavanaugh to be on the Supreme Court, right? Yes, even Flake.

Unless the FBI finds something jaw dropping all this is going to do is delay the inevitable for another week.

OMG, r124. Those gums are revolting. Can't anything be done about that?

R130 I was just reading The Hoarse Whisperer, and he was saying that what Avenatti is doing this week is falling right into a Rethug trap. I can’t decide. I’ve been a fan of his and still am, but it’s all making me nervous. The fact that the FBI can’t talk to his client is highly problematic.....but does anyone know, is it LEGAL to restrict an investigation in this way? I can’t understand how it’s legal to restrict investigators this dramatically.

Now they are saying the White House says there are no restrictions on the investigation. This is the only White House, ever, that can lie on both sides of one issue at the same time so I have no idea if it's true.

Link please R133

Yes, please link that, R133. We need to hold their feet to the fire if that's true.

To think that these people will all be in church tomorrow is laughable.

If it’s any consolation, those tax breaks for the rich will be paid for with the broken backs of deplorables.

I’m surprised deplorables don’t campaign for their own pay deductions at this point.

“I don’t need Heath insurance either. I’ll just work for free to counter the tariffs. Here, take the shirt off my back.”

Nope, no news site is reporting what R133 said.

It's all over the news, r139.

I’m having trouble nailing down the Vegas odds even in the days of high speed Internet.

All reports seem to be from a few days ago.

My guess would be somewhere around 50-50 at this point.

Polls, on the other hand, are in the democrats favor at the moment.

They are playing hanky panky with the media.

Guess which country just got added to the "Shithole Countries" list?

Why some of you can't find a link when a search for 'Trump FBI' has it as the leading story on the entire first page of results I'll never understand but I do love it when you have attitudes about your inability to find common knowledge, R139. Here's another link in case you don't like the LA Times link someone posted above.

R78, almost good enough for homosexual website.

You are getting better.

Spasiba Bolshoi

Trump is a liar. I wouldn't be surprised if he says one thing to the press and something totally different to the FBI. He probably picked the FBI investigation team himself based on Giuliani's reccomendations.

Interesting that he would now say that they have free reign... either it's total bullshit and they just want the public to think that every avenue was reviewed and nothing was uncovered or...

They've actually got some new plan and they no longer care about Kav.

It’s free “rein”. Reign describes a royalty ruling over subjects.

It's called voice to text. Sorry, deal with it.

R148

I accept your apology.

Clear some more cookies R151, lol.

Trolls are out in full effect. Must be worried.

Ugly and uglier

The FBI would love to dig up some new dirt on Kavanaugh. They would love to get even with Trump for badmouthing them all the time. Payback is a bitch.

The FBIs job is to investigate. Believe it or not the agency isn't partisan or political. The men and women are loyal to the constitution. They are not out to get trump or kavanaugh. They are after the facts.

Haha you sure about that R156?

What kills me is that the FBI has background checked him 6 times before AND NEVER READ HIS YEARBOOK?

That's bullshit.

Did they not care he was a drunken rapist?

I presume the FBI doesn't dig deep by default when it comes to Republicans and their supporters. And they stay down when a Republican bashes them in public.

All the investigators can stop right now because what Kavanaugh has shown the world already is that- when push comes to shove- he is not SCOTUS material. This scandal simply provided a shortcut to that conclusion.

His demeanor was inappropriate for any job interview, let alone one for the Supreme Court of the United States. His victimhood ("You have destroyed my fee-amily!") was an embarrassment for the entire country. What he said and the manner in which he said it was appalling.

Same goes for Sissey Graham. They obviously were coached for weeks. I'm sure Trump thought they were very, very incredibly wonderful performances.

He's a rich, spoiled babyman who has always gotten what he wants. When it looked like he wasn't going to get this he threw a tantrum.

He. Is. Not. Qualified.

Matt Damon as Kavenaugh, SNL opener, nails it.

KAVA NO

KAVA NOPE

KAVA NEVER

[quote]he's trying to keep video of himself being fisted by a dozen seven year old Thai boys dressed up as Oompa Loompas from being released. If that means he has to dance, he'll dance. If that means he has to dress up as the AG, he'll pretend to be an AG. Oh and they're all terrified of being sent away for life for money laundering, but the Senatrix is a fucking drama queen AND a go-getter.

Liessssss! Mendacity! Those young gentlemen were eight years old if they were a day.

His performance was “strength” to Trump and the GOP.

I think Kavanaugh will go away quietly.

Kava -- nah.

exactly R160. His has 0 judicial temperment

Tim Scott looks like a black version of Ms. Lindsey

On the bad side, Clarence Thomas has sat on the court for 2 decades+. So maybe Kavanaugh just figures he eyed only get on, and he’s safe. Maybe the reason he never says anything, is to avoid scrutiny that reflects on his history as a pag?

I wish Flake would realign his nose.

Putting aside his rapey past for a second .... he THREATENED the US Senate!!!! "What goes around comes around." In his hearings following up to Friday, he bobbed and weaved around any hot-button political issue by saying he's a sitting judge and he wants to stay "three area codes away" from anything that would have the appearance of impartiality. Then Friday he THREATENED the Democrats in front of the entire country.

Omg I would so marry the woman in r103...

Why can’t I find a nice a woman like that? Mom says I’m a good catch 😉

Lol r127. Fun thought

Graham made me want to throw up.

Kavanaugh has already been paid over $200,000 (that gosh-darn credit card debt) so his employers are not going to allow him to quit his attempt to get on the bench until they have played this out.

Saw the screaming, Antebellum, not-so-closeted aged Queen on ABC this morning.

Please TV programmers, get that insulting character off TV news. It's much of the day, every day. Then, anchors have to show clips of her or quote her. Enough! At least she could stick with Fox which I refuse to watch.

And this endeavor of CNN again interviewing, regularly, Kellyanne Conway is very annoying. Listening to deflections, nonsense, and propaganda is not what I call news.

Treason bump

BUMP

Emphasis on the nonsense, r176. I immediately switched off George this morning when Lindsey's mug defiled my TV screen.

Does anyone know if Kavanaugh's wife is from money? Or, if someone died and left them an inheritance over the last few years? I just don't want us to make a big deal out of the seeming money issues and have it blow up in our face if his wife inherited a million dollars last year or something like that. Although, I'm sure the dumbfuck would have mentioned something like that to cover his ass.

I’ve wonderrd the same r180. I know his mother was a judge but never heard his father’s career. They only had Brett, both were professionals, it’s definitely possible that they just have a lot of money and continue to bail out their grown ass son.

But either way, we need to know — who would embarrass you more for paying off your bad debts — Boris or Mommy? Either way it’s not a good look. I have been DYING for a reporter to find out those three big questions. 1) who gave him the house down payment, 2) who paid the $95k country club fee, and 3) who paid off the plastic? Someone needs to find this out right fucking now.

Here’s a little

Looks like his father and grandfather both did Yale, the family appears in what I think is a DC social register. What the fuck did his father n grandpappy do for careers?

More on the family

Why does he seemingly lie about inconsequential, stupid things that can easily be verified.

"I got into Yale without connections..."

Why lie about that when it's so easy to uncover?

According to the Mother Jones article on Kavanaugh's finances that has been posted several times, Kavanaugh's attorney father was a lobbyist for the cosmetics industry. There's a lot of money to be made in lobbying (it's also easy to channel money through lobbyists); presumably that's where the family scratch comes from.

Even if he legitimately paid off the debt suddenly, I think the fact that he was in that much debt in the first place is a problem. Just another sign of the preening asshole he is.

My hope is that the repukes will be unable to seat a SC judge before the midterms when the Democrats seize the congress and senate. Then, Mueller will reveal the results of the investigations and they will prove that trump and many repuke congressmen are criminals beholden to the Russians and the 2016 elections will be declared invalid. Trump and the whole criminal lot, along with his appointees, will be swept from office. Democrats will take control and reintroduce sanity to the nation.

I can't believe the lying deplorable repukes are trying to rush through the appointment of such a despicable, biased, creep like Kavenaugh. Shame on all of them. May my hopes come true.

R188 Even if half of that came true, I'd be satisfied.

Bump for Trump press conference happening right now.

Did trump just announce that he’s caught the Senatrice in flagrante delicto?

Live Video

I can't remember where I read this, but apparently the Senate GOPs contingency plan if the nomination fails and Senate control flips is to do nothing for two years. Just let the seat remain vacant.

They must think both things are within the realm of possibility if this is being talked about.

Ok that's fucking insane so both his father and grandfather went to Yale and he lied to the Senate and millions of people watching saying he got into Yale with no connections. I mean....I wouldn't let someone like that walk my dog.

Someone is finally digging in to Devin Nunes. The family farm was moved from California to Iowa a decade ago, but they've tried to hide that from California voters. And they keep it going by using undocumented workers.

Nunes is despicable. He belongs in jail, not congress.

R193 If Kavanugh fails, the SC nomination ball will still be in Trump's court if he doesn't get impeached, that is. He overplayed his hand with this faulty crony nomination at the 11th hour of GOP full control of Congress. But that's a typical Trump dick move... try to bluff his way through by being an overbearing bully, and then claim victory if that play works, but if that fails, he will play the victim or the fool, and maybe do something less shitty next time depending on his power status at that time.

[quote][R193] If Kavanugh fails, the SC nomination ball will still be in Trump's court if he doesn't get impeached, that is.

Democrats with a Senate majority would never advance someone like Kavanaugh. When control flipped in 2006, the Bush White House was told "Send more moderate judges or don't waste your time."

[quote]The FBI would love to dig up some new dirt on Kavanaugh. They would love to get even with Trump for badmouthing them all the time. Payback is a bitch.

They would love to however they're not allowed to.

R198 If it's a Dem Senate majority, Trump is just a lame duck with the Dems heating up the oven. He can forget about any nominations that he has any vested interest in.

Bumpity bump for Brett

Lying Trump lies again. Remember the "investigators" he sent to Hawaii who had very interesting things to say about Obama's birth certificate? Yeah, this is like that.

I suspect that what he is saying that he thinks is so "compromising" is that he's seen a Senator drunk. Well, who hasn't?

R202 Says the one who paid off a prostitute to cover up his infidelity before the election.

r201, fascinating contribution...

Trump is sending Mel to visit "shit hole" countries. LMAO

Thanks for the links at R182, R183, and R184 that provide some background on Kavanaugh. I love how the deplorables, who openly despise and endlessly rage against "the elites", bend over backwards to defend this prep-school educated, Ivy League legacy. As if Kavanaugh and his kind would give those yokels the time of day. Well, perhaps he [italic]would[/italic] pay [italic]some[/italic] attention to their 15 year-old daughters, if only for the couple of minutes it takes for him to fumble at their bra straps, turn up the music, cover their mouths with his Cheeto-dusted hands, and dry hump them until he dribbles a scant teaspoon of his watered-down, sour ejaculate into his skid-marked briefs.

R205 - Could but won't.

R206, so what about USAID are they trying to distract from? Some horrid new policy? Slashing of funding?

Melanoma is probably being sent to do a little espionage exchange.

Drumpf just stated that Kav had a drinking "difficulty," lol. Unbelievable .

R211 Just like Trump has a cheating/lying "difficulty"... boo hoo.

[quote]Someone is finally digging in to Devin Nunes.

That was quite a story -- not just about Nunes, but also about the Iowans who back Trump even though what he wants to do re: immigration would literally destroy their livelihoods. It's a strange world we live in.

Kav was texting witnesses asking them to refute claims.

r213, that is the lengths that whites will go not to surrender power to the demographic shift.

r215 Us whites are stupid to think we will lose much power any time for decades. Even when whites fall below 49% it won't be for decades and they will still be the largest group- by far. The trends will slow as anyway. I bet whites don't lose their majority status for a few decades longer than everyone thinks. This huge fear that whites have that they will be a vast minority soon is comical if it wasn't sad.

Multi-millionaire Republican Senator Chuck Grassley, with a net worth of $3.3 million, has applied for Trump’s Farmer bailout funds. Grassley helped design and push for this bailout. He's already accepted over $400,000 in farming subsidies.

r217 How is this shit legal? Fucking grifters every one of them!

Treasonous assholes, all of the Repugs!

Maybe Melanoma (Fake boobs! Fake boobs!) will return from Africa with several adopted orphans like Angelina or Madonna did. Lady Bountiful spreads her plastic bosoms and embraces the children.

Comm here my leetle cheeldrens.

Melania dearest, pack a variety of wide-brimmed hats. Also, if you're wondering about appropriate host/hostess gifts, a goat always does the trick.

I hope Melania contracts malaria. Or The Dreaming Death.

I thought her name WAS Malaria - she was named after the disease wasn't she?

r222 It was clarified to be Springfield, Illinois, dear, do keep up! :)

The investigation has been expanded.

R214, isn't that witness tampering? He could be disbarred???

Hahaha, R226. Why would you think there would be consequences?

I didn't want to link to the NYT so here's a different link:

r218....Trump applied for 9/11 aid ....and got it.....and there was NO damage to his building....his building isnt even close. The entire GOP are corrupt.

OP you seriously couldn't have picked a better title for this period.

Kav told the committee in one of the transcripts they released he'd never spoken to anyone about the Ramirez allegations, so that's another time he lied. Jeff Flake said if Kav had been found to have lied to the committee his nomination was over. Should we take bets on whether Flake lives up to that tough talk or not?

R231... texts and emails isn't "speaking" to anyone. No lies! Fake news!

I think he is toast. trump even stated Kavanaugh drank too much.

Then there is the witness tampering.

I wonder if he'll have to pay his loan off now to who ever wiped them clean.

Unfortunately, R229 that might not be correct.

Trump was such an asshole to that Latina journalist. He had this shit-eating grin on his face. What the fuck does HE have to smile and laugh about? He really does think he's the "teflon don", and that there will be no repercussions , nor consequences, from his lies and criminal acts. Mueller has GOT to take that mother fucker down! I live to see him in an orange jumpsuit, with shackles on his wrists and ankles! If there is ANY justice in this world, his treasonous ass should be held accountable!

Joke's on you, fuckers! I've orchestrated this whole spectacle so that I won't get confirmed, and then I'll have more time to indulge in my third favourite pastime: guzzling piss-like domestic beer. (After boufing and Devil's Triangles, of course.)

[quote]He really does think he's the "teflon don", and that there will be no repercussions , nor consequences, from his lies and criminal acts.

He thinks it because so far he has been. Same as Kav.

[quote]R21 Like he has a choice as to whether to cooperate with the FBI.

I think he might. I have seen the word “invited” used. My thinking is It makes someone look guilty as ALL HELL to decline to be interviewed by the FBI, but it may be one of those situations like where the person on LAW & ORDER says “Are you charging me with a crime? No? Then call my lawyer.”

I don’t know that in this case they can FORCE someone to participate (?)

R236 Why is this joker still holding on to his fading nomination? Even if he got confirmed, outraged feminist protesters will follow him around for life. It would make the "ambush" on the Senators seem like child play. It would disrupt the SC itself to have this unfit and controversial joker on the bench. Are these GOP idiots so dense? They don't have an authoritarian state yet, so no way could they get away with an unpopular confirmation without serious consequences.

r234.....Thats says exactly what I said....

Our ruling

Crowley said Trump "cashed in, collecting $150,000 in federal funds intended to help small businesses recover — even though days after the attack Trump said his properties were not affected."

Trump did receive a grant for his building at 40 Wall Street, which was less than a mile away from the Trade Center, but the property was eligible under the grant criteria.

He also did say in 2001 that his properties were not affected by the attack, although he likely meant physically. The grant also provided compensation for economic losses.

Thanks for the link, R195. I especially love that Devin Nunes' family dairy farm, which relies on illegal work by undocumented workers to survive, is located in Iowa's 4th Congressional District, which is represented by the rabidly anti-immigrant, white supremacist Republican Steve King.

Ya just can't make this shit up!

Small comfort but this is the first time in their lives Brett and Dump have been held accountable for anything they've done.

I'd like some reporter to check out the vineyard dopey devin is invested in and which has Russian connections. Why is it the media always goes halfway in reporting. Stupid fuckers.

Listening to repukes rant about Democrats these days makes me begin to feel like what it means to be a minority in their eyes. They talk about Democrats with dismissive disdain and are demonizing Democrats the same way they marginalized Blacks, gays, women, Mexicans and others who don't fit their white upper class mold. They spit out the word "liberal" like being liberal is worse than being a terrorist. People like Hannity, scum trump, McConnell, and Kavenaugh, they talk about Democrats like we're evil, criminal beings, when it they who are pulling all the dirty tricks. They are truly trying to gaslight Democrats to sow chaos and ram through a hateful agenda that no one wants but the 1%, bigots, and idiots. What in hell is their end game? Do they really think we can't see what they're doing?

R37, It's "Democratic."

R38, It's simply "cornered."

Republicans main scheme is "us vs. them" distraction. There cannot be any compromise because the sides are so damn different that any ground lost means the terrorists have won! This hyperbole rethoric is what fucks with people's minds who let themselves get fucked by the GOP and the media.

Yertle McTurtle doesn't want the hurdle.

The Wall Street Journal reports today that Trump personally directed an effort in February to stop Stormy Daniels from publicly describing an alleged sexual encounter with Trump. Trump instructed his then-lawyer Michael Cohen to seek a restraining order against the former adult-film actress, and to coordinate the legal response with Eric Trump and another outside lawyer who had represented Trump and the Trump Organization in other matters.

This, despite earlier White House claims that Trump knew nothing about payments and the National Enquirer, that he was not aware of payments made to Daniels beforehand, and that Cohen acted totally on his own.

Also: roping in your son to help cover up your affair with a porn star? What a family.

Cocaine Mitch cannot shrink into his shell fast enough as he is followed by three women of color who are all survivors of sexual assault at National Airport yesterday.

R240 - why does this surprise anyone? I read an article in Vanity Fair about Trump.

He made sure he could get a farm grant for one of golf courses by putting animals on it (can't remember if he was sheep or goats).????

Cheap bastard who gets away with shit (so far).

^ it

What kills me is that the FBI has background checked him 6 times before AND NEVER CAME ACROSS THE INFO ABOUT THE BAR FIGHT?

A protest of the Kavanaugh nomination from celebs is planned.

R253 They were probably told to do a routine check, not actually dig up dirt like they should to ensure a clean and qualified nominee. I mean if dirty Trump can get through all the checks to become the President, the FBI itself has been internally compromised severely.

And now a few insane words from Joni Ernst...

R249, and now we know why he is a VERIFIED unindicted co-conspirator.

I just heard a clip of Drumpf saying that if Kav lied to Congress it should disqualify him...

Is he prepping to cut him loose?

If only. He was probably talking about Ford, not Kav.

Ford isn't being nominated to anything so the "disqualifying" part wouldn't make sense.

If the FBI uncovered any allegations from Kavanaughs past, it is likely included in the BI.....its up to Trump, and Dom McGahn (a close friend of Kavanaugh) to relay that information to Congress....and you know it was heavily redacted....if not by the WH, then by the GOP. Theres a reason McConnell, Grassley, et al are trying to obfuscate the process.

r262, the democrats have insisted they be briefed by the FBI directly and at least 24hrs before any scheduled vote.

r262, why do you keep posting about shit you're making no effort whatsoever to stay informed of? What is it you think you contribute to the discussion by injecting your opinions on imaginary circumstances? You keep doing this. All over the board. You should spend more time reading and less time writing.

r263....I know that. I was responding to the posters who were questioning how these accusations could be overlooked by the previous 6 BI.....

r264...fuck off....Im more than informed and have been following this saga since the very first reports before the primaries were concluded. If you think for one second Trump or anyone in his administration has been honest about ANYTHING regarding any of his nominations or policies, then you need to be the one educating yourself. McGahn is corrupt a political operative as Kavanaugh is and if youre paying attention you would realize there things theyve known about and hidden regarding Kavanaugh....and its starting to leak out.

R265 it's funny that R264 felt the need to post that considering their history is primarily made up of bitching about what other people are posting.

FBI investigation complete tomorrow (!), voter later this week.

WTF?

So the FBI gives Kavanaugh a clean bill of health and all the Republicans put him on the Supreme Court. It was inevitable.

So...what next after this guy is seated. They continue to get their way. How far down the theocratic fascist road are the going to go? Will concentration camps (other than for migrant children) and genocide be in the cards in their coming cleanse of society? I can't imagine the horrors that are in store.

R268 The FBI let Trump become nominee and president without so much as a squeak, and even did a Tonya Harding on Hillary just before the election. I just assume the FBI is compromised and beholden to Team Trump.

NYT: Trump Committed Outright Fraud.

APNewsBreak: The Trump administration is quietly moving to weaken U.S. radiation regulations, turning to scientific outliers who argue that a bit of radiation damage is actually good for you.

Why, sure it is!

THank you R274. I'm so glad she is continuing to speak out. I learn every time I listen to her.

You know, it was so easy to fuck us. So easy They've spent millions on focus groups and people lie Frank Luntz and Karl Rove designing "strategies" and it was clear and simple and easy from the get go: Give us bread and circuses, give us someone to hate, someone who will scare us, and make sure people feel disappointed, discouraged and demoralized. That's it . That's how the Republicans, a minority party of special interests, convince people to support them.

It appears that the federal fiscal year 2019 (started yesterday) Department of Health and Human Services legislation may make it illegal to provide health insurance that includes abortion coverage to anyone whose salary is supported via grant (NIH, CDC, HRSA, etc.) funds.

GOD that's sick, r276. Sick.

[quote] the FBI itself has been internally compromised severely.

Obviously, and there are probably similar compromised factions in the CIA and armed forces as well. We are watching internecine warfare, agitated by an outside actor - Russia. The second Civil War is well underway and the Rebs are winning so far.

FYI: Trump is currently mocking the claims of sexual assault by Dr. Ford at his rally (wherever the fuck it is in Flyoveria this week).

He mocked a man with disabilities during the campaign, why should this surprise anybody?

Trump is a cunt.

R280

I just want him to keel over and fucking DIE, already.

^ preach. I have never hated anyone like this before — I am a bitter rage-filled cunt. I fucking HATE HIM.

Evil dies hard, r282, and that fat ,orange fuck (as well as people like McConnell, Kavanaugh, Jr. Mint, etc.) will all be hanging around with the cockroaches and my ex-husband, after the nuclear holocaust.

With part of the NYT article about how Trump undervalued property to avoid taxes, you have to realize he does this even today....hes always challenging the value of his properties...even for property tax....often claiming they are worth one fourth of their actual value.

He’s a malignant tumor

I take offense!

R288, how could they have untangled this web so fast. Take your time, Mueller.

I’ve altered my wish. Instead I want him to suffer a massive brain aneurysm at a rally covered live on Fox News. And I want him to suffer for years from it. And he looks on helplessly as Jr, Eric, Ivanka and Jared are all carted off to prison, his wife bangs her latest fucktoy in front of him and Barron taunts him relentlessly.

Something like this, R282 ?

R288's article about two of the prosecutor's on Mueller's team leaving is a bit disingenuous. These were the prosecutors that were doing the Manafort case. Their job is pretty much done. He could very well hire two replacements tomorrow. I see no evidence in that article that this means anything about the Russia investigation winding down.

[quote]how could they have untangled this web so fast. Take your time, Mueller.

I don't think anything about the timing would be fast.

This isn't 1972 and modern technology like emails, cell phones, and high speed computers exist now. I don't think this would have the same timeline as Watergate and if we, the public, can easily see the crimes Trump possibly committed being discussed in print; then Mueller's people probably already knew three times as much about them, way before we did.

I agree with R292 that the headline is a bit misleading. As R292 said the article is about 2 of the people who handled Manafort leaving. Comey was quoted in the article saying that the investigation is likely in the "4th quarter." That I'd believe.

It is interesting that at the height of the investigation the team of lawyers numbered 17 but now they're down to 13 with two having already left this past summer before these two.

Has anyone heard anything about the 300 prosecutors that Rosenstein called to DC in mid-July ? It was supposed to be to help with Kavanaughs confirmation, but I seriously find that hard to believe. Are they still in DC ? That in itself leads me to believe something big is on the not too distant future.

^^^is on the horizon in the not too distant future.^^^

Speaking of Rod... isn't he supposed to be meeting with Drumpf this week?

I have had the sense that some things I hear attributed to Rosenstein are intended for Trump ‘s ears, and are not reality based. To keep Trump from obstructing Justice and interfering with his prosecution. I guess that can’t be so, but otherwise, I can’t make sense of any of it.

The news about scum trump committing probable fraud with the family taxes does not surprise me, nor does breadth and depth of his misdeeds. It's why I've always been uncomfortable with Bernie and others claiming the rich will pay for free college, health care, and all the other things by increasing taxes on the rich. That kind of talk only invites the evil wealthy to fight back and they have the money to do it.

When are Americans finally going to get it through our heads that most extremely wealthy people DO NOT WANT TO PAY FOR ANYTHING and will cheat on their taxes and block business and banking regulations until their dying breaths to keep the rest of us from getting a break. The Kochs, Mercers, Karl Roves, and people like McConnell, trump, and others will lie, cheat, and steal to ensure they will never have to pay for the education etc of anyone except for their advantaged spawn ever again. They are all for pouring money into defense because that's where many of their investments are found.

Yes, their are some good wealthy people who are willing to pay their taxes and help others. But the ones who don't want a Bernie world are evil and ruthless and we are seeing the fruits of their labor right now. Kavenaugh is the one percent's tool, he will do their bidding and make the base happy, too. They're cheaters, for sure, and probably deeply complicit with the Russians, but they still need a few votes from their duped and stupid base.

r298, Sanders is another pampered, privileged, misogynist, megalomaniacal, old white guy who represented one of the most homogenous populations in the country and who believed (at least until the age of 31) that "all women fantasize about rape" during sex. I don't want a future under his vision any more than I want the we have.

[quote] But the ones who don't want a Bernie world

Fuck off, we’re currently living in a Bernie world due to this gunsucking, sexist, Russia-compromised man whose campaign manager also used pro-Putin propaganda techniques in Ukraine, being a co-conspirator with Paul Manafort. There’s a reason the Sanders team hacked the DNC, and there’s a reason Sanders received support from Russian bots and there’s a reason Sanders stole much of his platform from Hillary Clinton and there’s a reason Sanders’ campaign manager Tad Devine was interviewed as a cooperating witness in the Manafort trial.

^^^I’m glad that old fart lost his big chance for that to happen.^^^

R300 What's your point? Do you believe Bernie secretly wanted trump to win or do you think Bernie's platform inspired the Russian's etc to use him to defeat Hillary? I find your statement confusing, please clarify.

I believe Bernie was used by Putin whether Bernie was aware of it or not (it would be hard for Bernie to be unaware: Bernie’s campaign manager Tad Devine had, along with Paul Manafort, run a pro-Putin campaign in Ukraine against a more progressive female candidate using the familiar chanted phrase “Lock her up! Lock her up!; Bernie’s wife as campaign surrogate stated on Twitter the day before November 9, 2016 that it was fine to vote for Trump instead of Clinton; Bernie encouraged violent, misogyny by what has been revealed to be Russian “crisis actors” at conventions AFTER he lost the primary by 4 millions votes; Bernie was the only U.S. senator to vote against Russian sanctions). My post isn’t confused at all, jerk.

R298, it's not just the ultra wealthy, the tea partiers are anti tax as well. I only know a couple tea partiers and they are not wealthy, they're just fucking nuts.

FURTHER, Bernie didn’t have a progressive platform to speak of - he, as a lake house-owning multimillionaire who never released his taxes for the full five years, banes on about “millionaires and billionaires” while he took over a million in dark money small contributions (believed by the CIA to originate in Russia) that have never been investigated, and he called this populist slogan his “platform”. Read the NYDN interview and you will see how he had no platform to speak of even as late as that point in the campaign. After he was revealed as an empty suit, he stole major portions of Hillary Clinton’s own platform which, as the policy geek she was, was posted openly on her website. Universal health care - Hillary. Raised minimum wage - Hillary.

So yeah, I fucking resent your phrasing of Bernie World. Bernie was propped up by fascist misogynist and homophobe Putin as a spoiler and we are now living in Bernie World/Trump World. How’s that working out for you?

Just one disgusting aspect of Trump's psychopathic public mockery of Ford's testimony is that it amplifies her most searing memory - of being laughed at during and/or after her assault.

Another disgusting aspect is that of course such brazen callousness, and its response, will sway gutless waverers doubting BK back to siding with the supposed realpolitik of hard white male power. Worship the big swinging dicks, or those who pretend to such, or stay with the losers.

Whatever Nemesis has in store for Trump, I'm not sure it'll ever be enough for the most repulsive first-world 'politician' of my lifetime. Never ever have I longed for a humiliating deeply painful downfall more sincerely.

I wish the tucker would have a stroke that would not kill him, but leave in a crippled "locked-in" state, where he knows everything that's going on around him, yet he cannot Express himself, or interact with anyone.

R306, I agree. It was one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever witnessed.

[quote]Whatever Nemesis has in store for Trump, I'm not sure it'll ever be enough for the most repulsive first-world 'politician' of my lifetime. Never ever have I longed for a humiliating deeply painful downfall more sincerely.

Agree completely

Me too, R309. When is Karma going to kick in. So many people are feeling this way it has to get to him at some point.

Republicans (except for the 1%) are willing dupes, happy to exchange health and safety for toasty-warm illusions of superiority and belonging. These are people who compulsively vote against safety regulations, pollution controls, living wages, Medicare, Social Security, higher tax burden on the 99%, etc. It's no big surprise that woman in Trump's audience would laugh along with his idiotic mockery of Christine Blasey Ford, when many of them might be assault victims themselves. They love "owning libs" at any cost, and seem content to treat death, sickness, poverty, and other misfortunes as inevitable facts of life, unrelated to policy.

Where they get this obliviousness to causality I don't know. They don't seem to have absorbed the American spirit of improvement that they claim to uphold, at least where public policy is concerned. Trump was obviously lashing out at Ford because of the NYT story uncovering his tax crimes, and this basically represents Republicanism: wantonly attack other people and treat life as a zero-sum game, emphasis on game.

R305, I love you.

Reminder to you all that today's the day that Dotard's mandatory alert goes out. 218 PM EST / 1118 AM PST.

You can turn your phones off if you don't want to get it in real time, however once you turn your phone back on the alert will pop up.

[quote]I wish the fucker would have a stroke that would not kill him, but leave in a crippled "locked-in" state, where he knows everything that's going on around him, yet he cannot Express himself, or interact with anyone.

Something like this, R307?

r310, "karma" is imaginary, doof.

r306, like the comeuppance Dick Cheney got or Hitler got or Stalin got or all those cops who shoot unarmed black kids? You mean that complete lack of ever being held accountable for one's actions? Yeah, you just keep sitting & waiting for that. Maybe go on a hunger strike until it comes to be.

[quote] Worship the big swinging dicks

Since this is the DL, it is safe to say that we do.

Bump

Does anyone else revisit in their mind the “He will die in prison” prediction we heard shortly after IT was “elected”?

Karma hit Hitler (and Stalin).

Cheney will get his

And....

r320 is a pinhead Zeka baby

Sorry if this has been posted already...

R321 - you are making the same exact posts in multiple threads.

Sarah Sanders is to host a press conference today at 1 pm EST (she's already late). I anticipate she'll be even angrier than usual.

What a shitshow...as usual. SHS should be embarrassed and ashamed....but then again, shes just like her father.

And Dotard is going to be testing his new propaganda tool in 5..4..3..2..

Corker just said Senators are probably getting Kav's FBI report this afternoon. I wonder if Flake cooked up this sham investigation thing by himself or with others.

I didn't know that wasn't permitted, r324.

You’ve posted it in four separate threads with the cutesy “And...” each time, R329.

You are, quite simply, an attention-seeking troll.

R327 Well, that was a waste of time. Should have turned off my phone...

R331 still have mine off. Apparently though I'll get it once I turn it back on.

Did you have to click on anything in order to show you "received it" and to clear it off your screen?

Wait - I just got a loud alarming sound on my mobile about 15 minutes ago. As it so happens, there are major thunderstorms and flash floods where I am so I just thought it was a flood warning from the weather emergency system. DO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME IT WAS A TRUMP PROPAGANDA THING?!!!

I’m still not done with the paper towel he threw at me...

I saw the R323 clip in real time and gasped as well. What an unprovoked, bullying, cowardly act. Did people let him get away with this shit when he was just a con man? Before becoming a professional con man on The Apprentice, or political con man today.

Were they in inappropriate threads for the subject matter in the links, r330?

Trump's stupid and insane voters react to his test of the emergency alert system.

Is BK going to be confirmed?

r337 No.

If they want this done right, the 3 Repug Senators on the fence can just tell MMc that either the FBI conducts a thorough and complete investigation, they are voting NO.

THEY have all the power yet act like they are helpless.

He’s getting through. The piece if shit gets a lifetime appointment.

A lifetime that could end hours or even moments later.

Collins and Flake said that Trump's mockery of Dr. Ford is despicable. They can send Il Douche real message by voting against Kavanaugh's confirmation.

This woman made a really good point on Hardball (Mimi something? She is a prosecutor). What makes Trump’s display last night in Mississippi even more abhorrent is the fact that he was making fun of someone he (and Fox News) had already acknowledged was the victim of a sexual assault.

Collins, I believe, called Trump's mockery, "Just not right." A harsher condemnation of a man who bullies assault victims has never been heard!

Murkowski and Collins could become Independents and pay no price for it. They would actually gain power as both sides try to gain their favor and votes. Why don't they do it?

Flake and Collins think that their stern verbal reprimands of Trump's disgustingness are cover enough and permit them to vote for Kavanaugh.

[quote]Why don't they do it?

Because they agree with 95% of the Republican platform, and they'd never get elected as Independents.

If he's approved, some of the GOP enthusiasm should fade.

Who's voting

R348, Murkowski had to win her last election as a write-in against the Repug candidate. She'd be fine.

R344, Collins’ comment was actually “Just plain wrong.”

The women could change to Democrats as Arlin Spector (D-PA) once did. He kept his committee chairmanships and seniority, too.

The days of standing for something are long gone, sadly.

1:00-1:04: "We were roommates; out beds were ten feet apart for a couple of months."

I'm idly curious about their rooming situation. The third roommate, Kit Winter, said that he moved in from a room elsewhere in the entryway after the semester had started (because his first roommate liked to stay up late); he'd heard Brett and Jim had a free spot in their suite. Why did the two of them move into a triple and share a room, leaving one empty? The way Kit W describes it (with the pigeon nailed to his door), he moved into a still empty room in the suite—and Anderson Cooper seems to confirm this at 6:21. And why does Jim R. here say they were in the same room together only two months?

R356 most likely because you're technically not allowed to just move in to any room in your suite. You're assigned a suite. There may have been an empty room but they probably knew not to bother because the school would be putting someone else in it shortly.

Never mind, I've figured it out. There was a person besides Kit Winter in the other bedroom. Anderson spills the beans a little by calling him "Dave," and I suspect that it was David White, who's in the 1998 wedding picture looking very tight with Brett (while Debbie Ramirez keeps her distance on the opposite side). Kit Winter probably moved in with Dave a bit later and the situation could have been even more complicated, since Jim R. mentions a "series" of people in that room. I feel like Jessica Fletcher sorting this out.

R357, that occurred to me, but when you get to college and are the second person in your two-bedroom suite to arrive, you take the unoccupied room on the off chance that the other person won't show up—that's what I did.

Additional thought: maybe their beds were 10 feet apart for only a couple of months because after that Brett and Kit switched places, Brett moving in with Dave? Just more speculation; sorry I'm posting it here rather than in the Kavanaugh thread.

[quote]You take the unoccupied room on the off chance that the other person won't show up—that's what I did.

I don't know. I don't think most people do that. And I'm assuming, as you sort of mentioned, that there were a series of people moving in and out and they just knew someone else would be moving in.

Have they stated which college they were in? It sounds like they may have been in a 3 bedroom.

They were in Ezra Stiles college, but freshmen lived on Old Campus; Stiles freshmen were in Lawrance Hall that year). I suspect it was a two-bedroom suite with a common room, which would have been normal. I have the information of who was rooming with whom but it was obviously provisional in places, because it has only Brett K and James R in the same room (D01); the other rooms in entryway D have three people each.

I must have missed something. What was the importance of Brett apparently saying somewhere that Dave and James didn't get along? Why is that significant in any way?

r363 nails it.

R362, Jim R. explains the significance in a Slate piece (it has to do with Brett trying to discredit Jim): "When asked about my comments in the New Yorker at his hearing last week, Judge Kavanaugh seemed to suggest that my account was not credible because “it was a contentious situation” where I “did not like” the third suitemate. He then referenced a prank I pulled on the third suitemate and some redacted portion of his closed-door questioning by Senate Judiciary Committee staff. It’s true that I played a prank on the third roommate. We were not close. But that relationship has no bearing on my ability to observe Kavanaugh’s behavior then and to describe it now."

Thanks, R365 but that's what I don't understand. Even if the two roommates hated one another... what does that have to do with Dave's memory of who Brett was? That logic literally makes no sense.

R362, he used it to undermine James Roche’s credibility. In essence, he suggested anything from Roche was biased because of an incident. Conveniently, Kavanaugh represents this position of there being a disqualifying incident by referring to “redacted” portions of committee materials.

The reference to redacted materials was likely meant to imply that Kavanaugh had a strong claim. Roche’s interview at r355 works against Kavanaugh’s inference. Roche recounts the events, is puzzled by the need for them to be redacted, then theorizes that they may be redacted because they involve a keg in Kavanaugh’s room.

The clear, trenchant statements of Jim Roche and others on this issue really put to shame the offensively banal, wimpy excuses put out by Republicans like Jeff Flake, Orrin Hatch, even Ben Sasse. The Republican party has never been shown more bankrupt of ethics and intelligence than it is now—and yet its supporters must be even more bankrupt.

Hopefully they’ll pay for it next month.

Putin is about to get his checkmate with Brett being confirmed. The oligarchs of Russia along with Putin have played the long game. They piggybacked on the long game of conservatives who started their long game in the late 70's. They started nominating young SC justices early on. They got it. They thought of Fox and the endless talking points and spin. They were overtaken by Putin and here we are. They will have 5 votes on the SC and we will be a subsidiary of Russia.

WSJ alert: White House finds no corroboration of sexual assault in FBI report

It's over. Judge lied.

Yeah of course because they refused to actually interview anyone who would give testimony to the contrary.

Are you trolling, R372? I can't see the WSJ article in its entirety because it's behind a paywall but the title is the same 'White House Finds Nothing' shit posted elsewhere. Is there something in the article or are you trying to be an ass?

The Republicans, to a one, are craven. They have their$, so they don't care if the new SCOTUS votes 5-4 to declare the entire New Deal and LBJ's legacy as unconstitutional.

Treason will prevail. Actual, real-life, criminal treason.

Kavanaugh, 5-4, super-Presidential pardon authority over both Federal and State crimes, with the latter's being declared unconstitutional "double jeopardy" if identical.

Roe v. Wade? Pfffft. Buh-BYE. Republican men don't care; Republican women pols are old; and in general the rich as always have compliant doctors.

Corporations will rule us to an unprecedented degree.

Finally, the Yahoos who live hand to mouth and yet vote "R" and wear MAGA hats while braying about Dr. Ford will blame their future travails on Democrats.

Bump

r375, you're being blocked now for spam-posting across multiple threads. You were already warned about this. Take this time to reevaluate how valuable anything that falls out of your head is to anyone else.

R367, you ought to assume a nom de plume for use when barking orders at others. It would add panache to your dictates.

Last night I read that Twitter-bots were posting about DOJ's press conference for 9:30 EDT. Nothing was on the DOJ site, but they linked to a blog (Trump-partisan) so I figured they were lying. They actually weren't: the DOJ announced at the press conference seven GRU intelligence officers charged with conspiracy to commit several types of fraud.

Also, eight new sealed indictments have been filed this week.

r378 I assume you meant to respond to r377. Confusing, isn't it?

R379 any further info as to what that might be about?

r381 yes, I have a genuine DOJ news item link that details the charges.

r382, awesome, looks like some good news finally.

[quote] R372: It's over. Judge lied.

Do you mean Mark Judge, or Judge Kavanaugh?

Or both, which is more likely?

R384, Mark Judge lied to protect his friend Kavanaugh and back up his story. He knows nothing will happen to him by lying. Who is going to charge with lying? The FBI? The same FBI who is pushing this thing through with a half assed investigation without even talking to the victim and all the people practically begging to talk them about Kavanaugh?

Remember....Chris Wray, the head of the FBI went to school with Kavanaugh....and Rod Rosenstein worked on the Starr panel with Kavanaugh. I dont suspect they did anything wrong as its the WH who directed the scope, but they could have questioned the directive. That question will always be there as well.

R386 It may not be shady but it stinks. Kavanaugh was a done deal from the moment his nomination was announced. And call me paranoid, suspicious, whatever but I have no great faith in Wray or Rosenstein,

I get want to get back to breaking Mueller probe news. Seeing Kavanaugh's bloated face on tv every night is such a downer

R379, I can’t find any information on the 8 new sealed indictments that you reference. Do you have more information?

Excellent ad.

r389 has brain worms.

I'm shocked how ignorant my Lyft drivers are. They don't believe voter suppression is real.

R387 Given that Kavanaugh’s confirmation was assured, consider the delay for the extra hearing & FBI questions a small victory. It did not go as smoothly as they expected and now his reputation is blemished. Took a little of the satisfaction out of it for them and further riled up the Dems for the midterms.

32 days

MacLeans' Scott Gilmore:

Yesterday, after an 18 month investigation, the NYT revealed the President of the United States committed hundreds of millions of dollars of tax fraud - possibly one of the biggest scandals in the history of the Presidency - and 24 hours later we're no longer talking about it.

r387 I don't think you're paranoid. Rosenstein is a complete party hack and always has been. He's no hero, he's just better than whatever nightmare would come after him. Wray is also a partisan hack, his law firm did work for Russia's two largest energy companies, he fires everyone Trump tells him to, and he gives in to Nunes constantly. Why any Democrat would trust these two is beyond me.

We have got to win back the House. If we win back the House, Democrats can start investigating Trump's taxes, can subpoena all the FBI texts and notes from the NY field office, etc. We need the House.

Attacking Rosenstein and Wray whilst pretending to be "progressive" is a neat game.

Lyft drivers? Why are we talking to Lyft drivers? 😂

r397 Christ, now I remember why I quit posting here. YOU POINTED OUT A TRUTH I DON'T LIKE SO YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY A RUSSIAN TROLL!!!11 Yeah...I'm a troll. That's why I'm urging people to vote Democratic. Because I'm a troll.

Let me try to explain this for you in words you can understand: one can be adamant Rosenstein not be fired while at the same time acknowledging he's a partisan hack. He is the best option we have. That doesn't make him a good option. But he is better than the nut who would come next. See how that works? Adults often times can see more than one side to an issue.

Wray has done nothing- absolutely nothing- to show he can be trusted. You want to trust him, fine. Go ahead. I'll be over here actually watching what he does, and most of it isn't good.

Mueller is the only Republican who has shown he can be trusted to do the right thing.

Keep burying your head in the sand if you want but most of us are not. Republicans are not going to save you. Not a one of them. Not even Mueller, no matter how much good work he does. It's up to us. It's up to Democrats. We have to take back the House or every institution that hasn't already crumbled will and this country will be lost.

Serious adults are able to have these kinds of conversations without screaming toll at each other.

r399.....ignore the troll

R302= textbook “sea-lioning”

There was nothing obtuse about R300’s post R302, so stop trolling Sea Lion.

Fuck Bernie Sanders! & Fuck R302!

Chubby Russian lawyer's partner in crime dies in freak accident.

Facebook Inc loves Kavanaugh.

Wow, R402.

The NYT article of course misses the point that the facebook guy isn't just "standing by his old friend," he's getting behind the whole Republican smear operation against credible allegations of sexual assault, Kavanaugh's obvious perjury about his role in stealing Democratic documents back in the 00s, the secrecy over his massive debts and financial oddities, etc. What exactlly was Joel Kaplan's role in the (criminal) Bush White House?

It wasn't Murkowski's last election in which she ran -- and won -- as a write-in candidate, R351, but rather in 2010. Her most recent election to her current Senate term was just in 2016, in which she won the Republican primary and, subsequently, another term in the Senate. Interestingly, in her three US Senate races (2004, 2010, and 2016), she has never won 50% of the vote. The highest percentage she has won was 48.62%, which was back in 2004.

I am not familiar enough with Alaska politics to know whether there is a potential Democratic candidate who could give her a run for her money when she has to run again in 2022. She certainly seems popular in her home state, but if the opposition to her weren't split among so many parties (Libertarian, Alaskan Independence, Green) and individual independent candidates, but rather were unified behind a single Democrat, it looks like the challenger could stand a chance.

Tasteful friends and constant Mueller thread readers, what are some fun ingredients for seasoning popcorn?

"A massive information dump conducted by 16,000 people is about to expose information about 158 Republicans. No word yet on what that information will entail but the organization behind the info dump is led by an opposition research expert."

and we should believe this why?

no particular reason.

r406....Murkowski wins the majority of her votes from native Alaskans....she knows it....if she votes yes on Kavanaugh, her political career is over. In fact, the native elders recently met with her and pretty much stated so.

What r395 said. Times a thousand.

This is beyond huge; proof that the president of the United States committed tax fraud. I get why Deplorables are ignoring the story (too many big words and complex concepts) but why is the media shunting it to second half hour, if that?

[quote]On the internet forum 8Chan, QAnon fans also noted that the test message was 17 words long—a significant number for believers in the conspiracy theory, because “Q” is the 17th letter of the alphabet.

JFC

damn, r407!

Hot damn, that should be pretty fucking hilarious.

[quote]Hot damn, that should be pretty fucking hilarious.

If it happens.

After Facebook's dealings with Cambridge Analytica, and Kapl9's support of Kavanaugh, why the FUCK does anybody use Facebook anymore?!! They fucking allowed data breaches, pushed partisan propaganda, etc. I deleted my face book profile YEARS ago, and I don't fucking miss it. It's a forum for people POSTING about their lives, rather than LIVING their lives.

I use FB under an alas and never on NY phone to keep up with my local protests.

That's pretty much it.

I had in mind a Buddy Holly Memorial Flight ending in a nosedive R34 along with the other conservative Justices but I like the way you think. Your way would be cheaper and would only result in front-end damage as opposed to the destruction of an airplane that was minding its own business.

Oops, make that R341.

May I suggest the next thread be called Trick or Treason?

Good one R420

That’s perfect, R420.

And next month there should be one called It’s Turkey Treason Time.

Why is Grassley acting like an angry old white man right now on TV?

Oh that's right, because he IS.

Probably because they still don’t have the votes to confirm Kav!

What’s Assley saying? I can’t watch.

He said, “Yada, yada, yada.” Now it’s Diane’s turn.

Oh, the drama! Susan Collins says she will vote yes today on the procedural vote, but maybe no tomorrow on confirmation.

Collins will announce at 3:00 pm today how she will vote on the confirmation.

Talk about milking it.

She’s a yes. And I feel nothing but sadness for the US.

Yeah, she’ll give a heartfelt speech about how hard she thought about it before giving in.

Exactly. Shakey Sue is only concerned with her Satanic Pussy Posse aka the GOP.

Yertle McTurtle is speaking now. What a piece of shit.

Disgraceful! Absolutely disgraceful!

He called the references in Kavanaugh’s yearbook as “goofy”? I wonder how Renate Schroder Dolphin feels about that.

I can't even watch it. It's too upsetting.

God, please drop a meteor on the Congress today.

With the one guy out of the vote... we still need 2 more to say no. Flake could easily do it but won't. Who else?

Flake voted yes, according to Brian Kilmeade.

Do these yes votes mean they’ll be yes votes tomorrow?

At this point, go ahead and approve the rapist motherfucker. It's going to INFLAME women and decent men - they'll end up organizing and voting in every single election against this. Keep his profile high - let him lord it over us. It'll absolutely help us.

It was going to be one motherfucker or another. If it has to be the rapist - if they love him SO FUCKING MUCH - so be it.

Collins is a FUCKING IDIOT.

R438, Kilmeade is right, but why are you watching/following that motherfucker?

So much more shit about that rapist is going to come out after he's approved - the GOP is fucked.

Collins, Flake and Manchin a yes, Murkowski a no.

R442 by that time he'll be appointed for life so what do they care?

This vote is to allow the nomination to move forward to a floor vote. Once it is moved to the floor, other Senators aside from just the judiciary committee members, will be permitted to speak for or against the nominee's approval. So you can vote yes to move it to general debate, and still vote no on the nomination at the final floor vote after they close debate.

R444, that's not the point. It's that they'll have this huge turd, exposed as a rapist turd, stinking up the court and showing voters that the GOP has terrible judgment and hates women and gay people. The rulings issued because of him will be even worse.

I get it: it sucks that this rapist is "set for life" and has his trophy - what he's been working for all his life. It sucks. But his being there, on the court, will anger people for years to come. Thomas didn't because women weren't as organized and pissed-off (the "year of the woman" was about it - a small bump in 1992). This is going to piss-off Millennials and younger voters for decades. They'll get engaged, and they'll vote.

Let them overturn Roe. It won't last, because people will overwhelmingly vote Dem in the face of their bullshit. In such great numbers that even gerrymandering and voter suppression won't be able to defeat the will of the vast majority. After that, we'll end gerrymandering and voter suppression (with new Supreme Court appointments and rulings that reaffirm the Voting Rights Act and rule gerrymandering unconstitutional .

This is going to help overturn the GOP's bullshit for a generation.

Fuck the rapist. Let him have his stupid seat. Let him drink himself to death. Sociopaths often eventually get what's coming to them (e.g., OJ, Cosby). May or may not happen to him, but in any case he's going to help defeat his own party just by being there.

Flake is such a gutless coward.

R446 they still won't care. Rethugs don't give as hit about what they look like as long as they get what they want. I also have no faith that the majority of people are going to be outraged for years to come. People today have no fucking memory.

We're aware R445... they're still all going to vote him in.

R444 Yep. He's another solid vote for corporate interests over anything or anyone they view less. The Kochs had him on their radar to push up for years now. Kochs don't give a shit about abortion or even gay matters other than rile a base for their real agenda. They want the pro-big bankers, pro-CEOs, environmental exploiters, GOP partisanship.

[quote]This is going to help overturn the GOP's bullshit for a generation.

I wish that were true, but I've been hearing variations of this for the last 10 years -- and now they control all three branches of government plus the majority of state legislatures.

Even if you're right -- and I think they've made this calculation -- they're willing to give up legislative power for a while in exchange for a solid Supreme Court majority. That's where the ultimate power lies in American politics now. The five Republican judges are now free to "find no constitutional basis" for abortion, social security, medicaid, medicare, corporate regulation, etc. Even if Democrats hold Congress and the Presidency, they'll be stonewalled by at least 20 years of a conservative Supreme Court, not to mention the federal courts that Trump has stocked with "constitutionalists."

The Kochs will get what they want short-term, but if social issue rulings are super alienating (they will be), a byproduct of that will be Democratic administrations that will appoint new judges, and everything will backfire - with the rollback of the GOP's conservative social issue rulings will be rulings regarding corporations that'll roll back what the Kochs will have gained in the short-term.

It's not as hopeless as some make it out to be. It's kind of a pendulum, but demographic change and reactions extremism of the GOP's positions (and short-term outcomes) will shift the pendulum leftwards permanently.

There are high-IQ people on the Dem side, too, working on this. It's not a permanent shift rightwards, to eternal night, even with gerrymandering and voter suppression.

Unless the Kochs get their constitutional convention and permanently change the rules of the game.

I vote Yes on R420. That's the only good YES vote today.

I can't imagine how incandescent with rage women must be. I am pretty fucking furious; I'll be out there with you ladies.

They're interviewing a dumb bitch from Maine on MSNBC now. Hilarious.

It's all old people who are holding shit back. The Kochs are ancient. The bitch from Maine being interviewed on MSNBC now is ancient. Crabby sclerotic calcified old assholes.

It's not forever.

The Kochs are dying by the day. Time's ticking for all of us.

[quote]Even if Democrats hold Congress and the Presidency, they'll be stonewalled by at least 20 years of a conservative Supreme Court, not to mention the federal courts that Trump has stocked with "constitutionalists."

Start electing more Dem state houses. When both Congress and States vote in progressive laws, SCOTUS will be more limited in finding constitutional pretexts to strike them down.

R454, I just posted that on another thread. “GEORGE SOROS” is behind it all. It’s frustrating that the interviewer didn’t correct her statement. Or maybe ask about the Koch’s and the Mercer’s who are funding the right and her opinion on that.

Got it, R420, thanks.

R458 you didn't get the memo that you're not allowed to post the same thing in multiple threads!

32 days.

32 days.

r458, the response would have been something like,"Yeah, you make think Soros and the Jewspiracy isn't behind it all, but I could show you some YouTube videos that would make your head spin. I don't know nothing about no Coke or Mercer, I think Coke is owned by a Jew. But if they're behind the republicans, I support that. We need as much support as we can get against the illuminati deep state. This is a war for our souls."

R453,

Thank you. I am female and have been raped in addition to being sexually assaulted by a group of men, which I mentioned that I wrote to Lisa Murkowski about as she is my senator. I just wrote to her again to give thanks.

I truthfully don't know if I have ever been angrier. Possibly November 9th, 2016.

R464, are you a middle-class hetero married type? If so, what are you hearing from your peers (neighbors, coworkers)?

r464 a female what? 'Female' is a objectifying term used by misogynist neckbeards to dehumanize women.

No, I am a bisexual female who had a male partner for 5 years, a lesbian partner for 15 years and am now single.

Huh, R466?! I am a biological woman, if that makes you happier, R466. A very angry biological woman.

The vast majority of the public are oblivious to whats going on....most dont pay attention and have no desire to. Ive actually had arguments with several people who are clueless. Doesnt matter to them....until prices go up, they cant afford medicine, etc....

[quote] The Kochs will get what they want short-term, but if social issue rulings are super alienating (they will be), a byproduct of that will be Democratic administrations that will appoint new judges, and everything will backfire - with the rollback of the GOP's conservative social issue rulings will be rulings regarding corporations that'll roll back what the Kochs will have gained in the short-term.

The uncomfortable truth is that guys like the Koch Bros. bribe both sides to make sure that they win either way.

r467, the point is that you've adopted misogynist language as part of your self-definition.

Fuck you, R470, I am a fucking scientist and I can use the word female when I want since I amo one, you utter fucking asshole.

South Carolina has a vigorous pro-Trump Republican Governor who ascended following Haley leaving. He is not very effective at his job. The state has terrible roads, horrible schools, massive environmental destruction along the coastline and elsewhere, chaotic taxation, most jobs paying poorly, very constrained medicade, and an extraordinary amount of corruption on state and local levels.

His Democratic opponent is accomplished with no scandals and actually offers new, fresh ideas to address problems. Polls show he is now 14 points behind. Again,14 points behind! That kind of lead can't be achieved by just core, white Republicans alone. Think again if you believe all those voters are native to the state. The extensive retirees influx, including from the military, on the coast and upstate, from N.J., N.Y., Mass., PA, Ohio, Michigan, etc., as a whole, are extraordinarily right-wing and anti-state tax.

The Democratic party is dismally organized in the state. It won't get better without some national organizational help. Where are they? It will take years to develop something affirmatively with great effort.

Blue wave? It is moving in reverse in South Carolina. And folks wonder why Miss Lindzey doesn't face repercussions for being Trump's biggest sycophant in the Senate?

R472, from an outsider's perspective, I don't find any of that surprising. Most of the country sees SC as hopeless in the near future as Mississippi. Why would it be any different?

This is bad. But nothing is forever. A lot can happen. We can vote all these fuckers out and block Trump. We can elect a democratic President in 202. We can make sure we vote in local elections for Democrats in governor, secretaries of state and state legislative races and state court races. Pay attention vote. It's at the state level that a lot of chicanery goes on. So we have to get active and STAY Active. We also have to hope that the 5/4 margin in SCOTUS doesn't hold. Maybe Roberts will be the swing vote. Who knows? And Thomas, Breyer, Ginsberg may last until we get a Dem POTUS and Dem Congress in 2021 and we can restore the balance. The thing is we have to keep going and never accept defeat. Be steadfast.

R472, the blue wave isn't going to hit states that are hopelessly closed-off to change. Some states are just like that. You need massive demographic change to crack a state open to change.

R474, I agree. I don't get the "we're fucked forever" people. They're a minority ruling through gerrymandering and voter suppression. That's kind of a vulnerable place to be, regardless of one's hold on the Supreme Court. Executive action can overturn a lot of what they've done.

It's just that people need to actually vote in midterms, even when stakes are "low." 2010 should have taught us that most recently.

r471, yes, you describe yourself clinically rather than humanistically. You use patriarchal language "a female" "the Democrat party" "pro-life" to redefine your own experiences; you allow *them* to frame your own narrative. A scientist should know the value is misrepresenting data.

So instead she should allow YOU to framer her narrative.

Got it.

Liberal investors should start creating jobs in purple states and getting more liberals to move to these areas. Play the long game.

I Never could have imagined our country falling so completely for Russian propaganda and lies. What did we fight WWII for? Do people even know anything about our history? About checks and balances? About give me your tired your poor? Or is everyone to obsessed with last night’s episode of The Bachelor and Facebook (while that company simply forwards your each and every move to Cambridge Analytica?)?

The USSR was our ally in WWII r480.

But didn’t we ice out Russia right after WWII, R481?

I think they’re still smarting from that.

Russia has never got over Carter fucking them in Afghanistan and pulling out of the Olympics. That's where you start. Russia has been backing Iran and Syria for decades and is responsible for most of the unrest in the Middle East and for exacerbating existent tensions.

r456, One of the Koch brothers has cancer (can't remember which one), and may be dying sooner than we think.

Collins is going on about left wing interest groups and operatives....she is totally shooting herself in the foot.

All of this just shows how so much evil goes unchecked. It's revolting.

R485 She's toast in Maine.

Fuck Maine and the shits that live there and put scum like Collins and La Page into office. Backwoods hillbilly trash.

R487, funny... I'll be she's experiencing what it's like to be held victim to someone forcing you to do acts you don't want to. Something about all of this feels like McTurtle has a gun pressed to the back of her head.

Don't get me wrong, I think she's vile as shit, but there's literally no need for her to be doing this press conference. I'm betting they forced her to. A woman out there basically saying Ford is a liar and Kav is a great man... I imagine they thought that would be great optics in legitimizing the rapist.

There is a special place in hell for Susan Collins

The funny thing about this confirmation is when the smoke clears every single fool who got tricked by Mitch into supporting this perv will EAT IT in November.

I really don't think they care, R491. Mitch has probably already let them know how they're going to steal all the votes.

The Republicans don't care, because Kavenaugh will do their bidding for decades. He will stall liberal progress for decades with his vote.

And those conservatives getting, rightfully, voted out in the mid-term election will be rewarded with high paying jobs by the 1% and their lobby groups.

Paul Begala: There are now 4 of 9 justices on the Supreme Court appointed by presidents who didn't even win the popular vote. The Supreme Court has a crisis of confidence.

Yes R474. I'm more determined and fired up than ever.

Hillary, March 2016:

[bold][italic]This battle is bigger than just one empty seat on the Court.

By Election Day, two justices will be more than 80 years old—past the Court’s average retirement age. The next president could end up nominating multiple justices,” she explained. “That means whoever America elects this fall will help determine the future of the Court for decades to come.

In short, in a single term, the Supreme Court could demolish pillars of the progressive movement. And as someone who has worked on every single one of these issues for decades, I see this as a make-or-break moment. If you care about the fairness of elections, the future of unions, racial disparities in universities, the rights of women, or the future of our planet, you should care about who wins the presidency and appoints the next Supreme Court justices.[/italic][/bold]

Keep that passion in your heart and let it drive you right to the voting booth.

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The media preferred the orange clown over the stateswoman.

I feel almost as sick as I did in November 2016.

Me too, R500. This is devastating. I haven’t slept a decent nights’s sleep since November 2016. I don’t know how much more of this I can take.

Linda Sarsour, who enabled the election of Trump, is all over my foolish “woke” cousin’s Facebook page, bleating on about the poor children whose mothers are being arrested in the Kavanaugh protests. Fuck you, Linda, you voted Jill Stein.

[quote] I don’t know how much more of this I can take.

You will have to take it and be strong for as long as it is necessary.

Silver lining is D's and some I's are pissed an totally motivated now. Fuck these assholes!!

Now that it's a done deal, let's get this confirmation over with and move on. It's motivating the hell out of Republicans and they vote. If we don't get the story away from Kavanaugh and back on to Trump, we're going to have trouble even taking the House at this point. Hopefully it's not too late to flip one or two Senate seats.

Dan Rather

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March forward, without fear, and the winds of justice at your back.

Feel the ranks swell of those who will not cower in the face of money, power and privilege.

A favorite saying reminds us that revenge is a dish best served at the ballot box.

I am trembling with fury but I love Dan Rather and he’s right; the fight goes on.

Defend against enemies within.

I like what Dan Rather says too but if we don't at least take back the House in four weeks, this country as a Democracy is pretty much dead.

Winter is coming..so is November. We can win this.

Please read this.

R510, I remember vividly when some of us on here made that point after Trump was sworn in and people called us hysterical.

R510 article is very convincing.

[quote]“If the US has someone whom historians will look back on as the gravedigger of American democracy, it is Mitch McConnell.”

Jesus Christ, if that isn’t the truth. People need to share the fuck out of this. Mitch McConnell is a villain the likes of which I thought only existed in bad film noir.

The whole Brett thing just defied logic. He is poison. They could have and would have gotten another just as conservative justice but nooooooo, it HAD to be Brett. Something is fishy, smelly, dirty and it isn't Dump's foul, shit-crusted ass-crack.

Collins is a piece of shit. As is Flake.

Shit will come out about Brett well after this. They will look foolish. MMc is literally the devil. How the fuck does something so horrid looking and obviously so without principles get all those Repugs to follow along? If Reid had pulled even half the shit MMc has, he would be vilified by everyone especially the media.

Well played, Putin, well played.

The only thing that would make sense to me is that these people are part of a "secret society" who believe in some prophecy that the end of time is right around the corner and they no longer give a fuck to keep their agenda hidden and are just being assholes right out in the open, because they aren't afraid of any consequences like public backlash.

Dems need to do a better job of selling, making their case. For example. On Torture. I remember when I would hear, "This isn't who we are!! Torturing is wrong!!!" While the other side was saying Islamic terrorists, ISIS is coming to rip our hearts out and tear off our skin!!!!" Instead, the more potent argument is that when our soldiers are captured we need to make sure they aren't tortured. The only way to do that is to not make it a policy to torture theirs. Doesn't mean we never torture, but we want to keep our own fathers and sons who are fighting a war as safe as we can. I guess that I'm saying we need to make our case on practical kitchen table solutions instead of only appealing to idealism. I am not saying abandon idealism. Not at all. I'm just saying deal with the voters where they are, then bring them along in a way that makes sense to them. Tell them it's a big fucking lie that tax cuts a re real. The fact is, someone pays. It's a shell game. It's a matter of shifting costs. The people we decide not to help aren't going to disappear. We will pay now or pay later. We have a wonderful platform. We have excellent policies. We just do not do a good job of selling. That's my take anyway. I talk to people right now and they don't give a damn about anything but the fact the economy is fine and jobs are plentiful. Period.

r516 I find the whole economy thing very suspect. Before the election, all the media and the right could talk about was, yes people had jobs, but those jobs were lower paying, everyone was "underemployed" and so on. Suddenly, Dump is elected and all the pain and bitching about the forgotten middle class disappears. What?

For a year, the Repugs didn't pass a fucking thing and the economy was in the same shape as it was. Suddenly we get huge tax cuts and still average monthly job reports yet everything is so great. What? We all know the tax cuts are juicing the economy a bit and the deficit is sky high while ALL the deficit hawks are completely fucking silent. What?

It is all about perception. The thing that changed it was the stock market. Suddenly no one was underemployed, the WWC voters weren't in a world of hurt.

The Corporate Media helps the Republicans put out their message.

This is news?

More people are coming forward with text that Cavanaugh was trying to direct their narrative.

r519 Nothing to see her, folks. Keep moving. If you look over here......

Me too R500 & R 501. What are we going to do?

Pres Tre45on is very happy tonight.

We are going to keep our fucking powder dry and wait until we see the whites of their eyes then unleash hell.

So the white male power structure wins again.

They are desperate to hold on to their power.

And they are all so old! We need some young blood infused into the Senate.

I used to think the Opium crisis was a cause of alarm, now I see it's just mother nature trimming Deplorables.

Republicans are going to use the same game plan when Mueller releases his findings. They'll get angry, start a backlash, and the media will play right along by scolding Democrats for bullying Trump and his poor family.

Just replace Kavanugh with Trump and you already know how this movie is going to end.

There really is no such thing as justice in this world.

The economy argument isn't a mystery. First please keep in mind that the Republicans are dishonest. I mean serious liars. In a campaign, you discredit your opponent and promote yourself. So even if the economy is good you can still psyche voters. Just exploit the "discouraged, dissatisfied, disappointed" thing. Most people are economically insecure. They worry about bills, they worry about lay offs, they worry about keeping a roof over their heads. Convince them they are not doing as well as they should be. The thing is, the Republicans have never had a very complicated program. They want less government regulation and lower taxes. They don't believe in the "welfare state" or anything that looks or smells like "socialism." So fuck you if you want or need help. But selling their lack of ideas to American voters is difficult. So they find something for you to hate, something for you to be afraid of, something to be "against." It works every time.

The opium crisis?

Avenatti can go jump in a lake too at this point. Where has he been? Where is all this "action" he promised us that he would be starting if they ignored him and his client? Not a thing from him in days until this tweet.

THey've been working hard to discredit his client. If I were he I would've done the same thing. He is probably working overtime to develop more evidence and more information. He had to deal with all the shit that's been flying so I'm not surprised he stepped back for the past week or so.

That's all well and good r533, except for the fact that TOMORROW is the day that Kavanaugh will be confirmed.

So what ever Avenatti has/had planned is TOO LATE.

R533 his client is saying this happened in MD, right? So there's no statute of limitations, right? I'm surprised he hasn't tried to get charges pressed.

What exactly is his client saying? Because I heard that she said she was present when they were Kavanaugh was part of a crowd of guys who regularly got girls drunk or drugged so they could take turns raping them. Unless others come forward to corroborate and there is a legitimate investigation into that kind of group activity, I don't see how this goes anywhere. Does anyone have anything more accurate than what I know?

Can there be witness tampering without it being a criminal investigation? With all the shit coming out that Kavanaugh was contacting everyone trying to influence their stories or whether they would come forward, is there anything actually there or is it just another thing he gets away with.

I really kind of hope some victimized woman shivs the bastard.

R536 according to Avenatti there were 6 witnesses who corroborated his client's story. The SJC and the FBI refused to look at any of it.

I'm thinking the only people coming forward with Avenatti's client are witnesses. Without an actual victim, no charges can be filed. The victim has to come forward.

I hope there's a Deep Throat in the FBI.

Where the fuck is Mark Judge?

R539 his client was supposedly a witness AND a victim.

Probably on a bender, R540.

[quote]Where the fuck is Mark Judge?

Bethany

The Bush family truly [italic] hates [/italic] Trump.

So why was W making repeated phone calls all over the Senate in support of Trump’s nominee, BK?

It can’t just be that Kavanaugh served in the W White House. That would justify one call, maybe two. But it’s been reported that W made multiple calls to Susan Collins alone- not to mention calls to many others.

What gives?

Were he and Gannon both W’s FBs?

Why would anyone think W was worth trusting? Or that he magically became some sort of good guy?

Ashley Kavanaugh is EXTREMELY close to W. She was his left hand Girl Friday for years in TX, at the statehouse; she worked on his Presidential campaign and followed him to DC and continued to work in the West Wing.

I have no doubt it was she who personally appealed to W to get involved and help out her husband. And he did, probably out of loyalty and not because he thought BK was some great jurist. The Bushes are personally loyal to their personal minions, say whatever else.

Maybe dumbya is worried he and Darth Cheney will be hauled in for war crimes?

As well they should

All of it makes me feel so physically sick.

r525, yes, I bring much fresh blood beck. And kidneys, pineal --- I have list!

Remember, remember the 6th of November

Do the Rethugs seem worried about midterms?

Abortion doctors and gay marriage officiators are warned. Your days are numbered so you better start looking for new careers. Thank you Senator Susan Colllins of Maine. Your seat on a throne in heaven is assured. Wicked hell bound sinners will be banished from a cleansed America: God’s America.

Kavanaugh was also one of the lawyers who were involved with a lot of the torture policies under Bush.....thats why they wouldnt release certain documents and also why Bush is campaigning for him....gotta ensure hes quiet,

Again, why anyone would ever think the Bush's aren't and will always be horrible people...

I think it’s because the Bushes at least seem like Americans of a recognizable preppy upper class political type. The Trumps are like some sort of clan of gypsy aliens like we’ve never seen before. And yes, both families are criminal.

I just want all the Rethugs and Deplorables to get theirs. Seriously. I can't stand their smugness. The gloating I'm seeing on social media makes me sick.

Someone think of amazing ways karma can make them regret their choices.

Not that their capable of regret without turning around and blaming HRC or Obama for all of it.

But share your fantasy scenarios where they suffer their decisions.

To R466, R470, R477, you're replies are absurd, rude, and ridiculous. There is no need to harass someone who made an honest post. Back off.

"your replies" ^

R556 you mean like those people who were chanting for the wall and then found out that they were going to lose their homes and farms because the wall is going to run right through their property?

I remember watching some of those people who were going to lose their land because of the wall. They still didn't connect that it was their own fault. Many of those people said they'd still vote for Drumpf. They believed he would make it right and change his mind about taking their land.

They never understand the consequences of their own actions.

Or all those Deplorables screaming about how they NEED their Affordable Healthcare but didn't believe in Obamacare?

I try not to hate but I really hate Republicans. There's not a single sane one in their group.

WTF R477???? You have to be a troll.

Fuck them all seriously. McTurtle, Lindsey, Ryan, Nunes, Kavanaugh, Collins... I want them all to fucking pay for their evil.

Don't forget Grassley.

Don't forget Flake. Im not letting him off the hook. I feel more and more like it was all a setup to make it look like they did a proper investigation and to make the Rapist look "clean," so he could go in and not be considered illegitimate.

And don't forget Drumpf. He is at the top of that list.

[quote]Pres Tre45on is very happy tonight.

Yes, he'll have been repulsively smug that, as he saw it, his disgusting performance in Mississippi made all the difference.

Just imagine the due deference he'll demand behind closed doors when all his favourite psychopaths foregather. How he'll of course boast about it, and require chuckling deep-voiced flattery. A 'POTUS' whose role models are senior Mafiosi.

This fucking makes me sick all over again.

Fuck. Them. ALl.

^ hopefully that is what everyone will wake up to.

How could I forget to add McGahn to that list.

All pieces of shit.

I dont know why but I continue to be shocked with how much they get away with.

Im with the poster above that said they havent felt this way since November 2016.

I feel so unsettled and upset.

Seriously what is it going to take to take them down?

We've gotten to the point where nobody seems to care about any of the illegal shit Bone Spurs has done or is currently doing. Look at the Tax thing. It was barely talked about for more than a day. They've successfully managed to desensitize people to how fucking awful they are.

I don't know how to handle it. I think I need to take a break

In some Mueller news:

I totally hear you R578. Take a break if you need to but stay strong and hopeful.

And what happened with the Rod Rosenstein meeting?

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out.

R578 I get it. It's hard not to get upset and need to shut some of the noise off. I've been there. I got a lot of encouragement from the people on these threads who kept reminding me that we're the majority and we will continue to fight. Take a break if you need to but check back in from time to time when you need to surround yourself with people who feel similarly.

Thanks for the new thread. These threads used to go lightning fast and now they're pretty slow.

R585 it's been pretty slow with Mueller news. I think a lot of people are burnt out as well.

I think DL has been pretty slow overall. I wonder if there's been a drop in traffic.

Link to new thread.

I think another thing is that there are several threads for several of the news items these days so everyone's posts are all over the place.

That's true too R589. I personally like having one thread to come back to.

Link to new thread.

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When are we having that DC bar meet up?

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R595 I don't even remember where that meet up was supposed to be.

Closing this thread.

New thread at link below.

I dont remember where it was supposed to be either but Im looking forward to it as much as Im looking forward to Treason of the Witch!