Part 11: Dangling Tendrils, Ill-Fitting Gowns, Is It Time for a Style Intervention for New Royal Duchess Meghan? Carry On!

# 10 thread still active.

R1 yes, but not for much longer. This dumb twat really brings out the posters. How proud she must be...

From Part 10 - To the moron who keeps bringing up the bad behavior of Kate and Pippa's uncle and Pippa's father-in-law and that it is equivalent/equal/worse than Nutmeg's father/half siblings behavior.

You DO know the difference between BLOOD family vs. relatives by marriage and immediate family vs. extended family, don't you???? Duh.

They both have trash in their family trees but Sparkle's are a lot closer.

Either here or somewhere else someone with a bit of knowledge said that Harry ended up in this marriage through his own foolishness which he regrets. Now, on Tumblr, the Harry fangirls have him "protecting the monarchy" through his marriage - Andrew is a popular scapegoat, and Harry is actually being noble. And the royal family is still wonderful. The nonsense of some of these James Bond theories aside, the mental gymnasitcs it takes to see the BRF and Harry as the heroes in this scenario and MM the only villainess is something to behold. Because obviously one can't be blackmailed or "coerced" unless one has done something bad and doesn't want it to come to light.

*I* personally think that there is something super funky about this wedding and marriage, that when one looks at the screen caps of the BRF during the wedding their facial expressions are akin to a funeral, nobody is looking at the couple as they take their vows, and Harry, IMO, alternates between looking stoic and resolute and looking like he wants to throw up. But at no point does he appear happy or connected to his bride. The bride wears a "face" that she practiced and she never changes expression. But what is the cause of the "off" feeling of this whole thing, I don't know. I doni't think "coerced into marriage" happens outside of night time soap operas. But OTOH, it's possible that the true weirdness is with Harry and not Meghan. He's the one who has found himself in this weird relationship. How did he get there. Was it just time to get on with things and nobody suitable was willing? If so, why does his family clearly have a personal aversion to her, ditto his friends? If she is the one getting her several friends in the media to trash Yuge's wedding in advance, that will only alienate her further from Harry's "set" where Eugenie is firmly ensconced, and I suspect may be more popular than Harry on a personal level.

I wonder if he did something stupid financially, or illegal-ish, if he were hanging out at Soho house he may have been getting up to more than fucking. I agree that a conventional sort of scandal or secret is not going to emerge - there's no sex tape. There may be a first husband, but so what, if it was annulled it doesn't matter. I wonder if he did something "foolish" like agree to take someone's drugs across a border on a dare because he IS certainly a dimwit, and then Miss Meg or her circle got the whole deal on their phone or something. Even typing that idea sounds silly though, and we're back to soap opera.

Bottom line, I don't really care about her or him or how terrible she is for the royals, blah blah blah, but I'm damn curious about what's behind the relationship and how Harry got here, and why the BRF make no bones that they haven't gotten to know her and don't care to.

I also am beginning to suspect one of them can't have kids.

Kate and her family didn't ghost Uncle Gary, just as the queen doesn't ghost her non-Nazi problematic relations - but Markle ghosted every.single.one of her family on both sides, not just the dad and the half-siblings on the Markle end. Except for her mother, whom she apparently hasn't seen since the wedding, nor visit. Jessica, OTOH, has flown in and out and it's been reported she was in Toronto to visit Jessica recently. You know, the flight where she had one glass of champagne, sipped peppermint tea, and watched The Book Club, and was just lovely. What a precious she is.

R4 - Why do you suspect one of them can't have children? There isn't so far a shred of evidence on that score, and my guess is that if Sparkle wore a dress that made her look pregnant, which she knew perfectly well it did, it was in the way of a quiet announcement that she was before the usual first trimester was over.

For the rest, I rather agree that painting Harry as the Saviour of the BRF is ludicrous. He did exactly what he wanted for his own confused, unschooled emotional reasons, and a nearly middle-aged C-list social climbing American divorcee was the beneficiary. Full stop.

As for the name of her first husband mentioned at the end of Thread #10 - there isn't a shred of proof that they were ever married.

I agree that there's enough material here for interest without bringing in conspiracy theories on an order of magnitude to the 11th power.

What's "off" about the marriage is the site of a confused famous royal marrying trash because at the age of 33 he couldn't attach someone with more class and caring and less narcissism and greed for fame.

In defense of MM, sometimes people really do have impossible and pernicious so-called families, particularly when older half-siblings are involved. Perhaps she grew up without a true extended family --- and only her father (who seems to be an impossible sort of person) and her mother were involved in her upbringing. The half-siblings resented her as the product of a second marriage and as bi-racial and also were jealous because their father seemed to devoting resources to her with private school tuition. The rest of the family ignored her. It is possible for a bi-racial child to be black-listed (all puns intended) by relatives. There can be shame at her very existence. Perhaps she is "ghosting" them for a legitimate reason -- there was no true family at all ----and it is not ghosting but just a continuation of what existed in reality prior to her meeting PH. Did any of the family (other than her parents) show up for her first wedding? I think not.

And, the father complaining to the press is undermining her marriage and her image. If I was angry at my child, I would not hurt her by shaming her in the press; yet, this father does exactly that. Shades of malevolent narcissism. And, MM must have major issues from growing up in this sort of non-supportive world; with a father who rejects and hurts her when she doesn't comply with his wishes.

Anyone have a link to any of the rumors about what may have blackmailed him into the marriage? I do not think it is out of the realm of possibility. She is scheming and he is dim. The faces at the wedding and his changed demeanor towards her were clearly conveying something.

I do not think she is some true shrinking violet in public. I think it is a demeanor she adopts, the clinging vine that big strong Harry protects, perhaps. The real Meghan was in the bitchy takedown of the interviewer on the red carpet and of her using her father for positive PR while her behavior toward the man was quite opposite. She is a grifter and a user and is quite ruthless. No one in the RF seems well suited to counter such a person. I think the antics to come will make Andy and Fergie look like bumbling amateurs. She is out for herself and no one else.

Oh please, R7, knock it off with the narcissist shit Meghan is trying to pin on her dad. Everything her dad has done, MEGHAN has done. Meghan has paid paps - remember her photo-shoot styled pap strolls in London with the log bag turned towards the camera? She always knows where her camera people are even now, and look straight into their lens.

Meghan paid tribute to her father on her instagram, referring to herself as his Buckaroo and signing off "Bean", crediting him for who she has become, for teaching her so much, blah blah blah blah. She credited him for helping her express herself as a child of a biracial couple, putting together a mixed race Barbie family for her, telling her to "make her own box" when it was time to check her ethnicity. Telling one and all she "grew up on sets" HIS sets, and she knew everything about lighting from him, and he still gave her feedback on how she was lit. Writing about him in Elle, talking about him in her UN speech that she leveraged into promoting herself as some kind of elite humanitarian. He paid for her education and paid her debts before she found Trevor and before she "made it" on Suits. Then he was ghosted. Sorry, he's 74 and he's not going to be used as a prop by Miss Meggles, who would prefer that HER new version of her daddy be the one we believe in, and the man will shut up and take it. He pushes back in the press because she spread "malevolent" stories in the press about him, as she does with many.

You may believe that every single one of her family members on both sides except her mother are toxic, but I do not. I think she dumped them, but the father taught her everything she knows, and knows exactly how to push back against the picture she's decided to paint of him. He always accused the royal family, or the media, but he knows damn well the stories are from her. He also knows damn well she knows how to pap for pay as well as he does, but doesnt' rat her out.

There was a blind item saying she told her ex-husband she couldn't have kids. I think Harry may have had an STD that renders him sterile, or she can't, so we shall wait and see, shall we? This is not something where it is necessary to pitch a fit about one's opinion - it will be nicely won if she is pregnant. If she is not pregnant in the next two years, then I will be right.

Actually it was the "narcissist" story that made Tom Markle pipe up again. That was rich. All about how Meghan "prays for him" and "doesn't have a bad bone in her body." Give me a break, that's her and her PR. Narcissists like Meghan have only one game, which is "I know you are, but what am I". She likely read the narcissist spec on line and appropriated it to "turn it around" because she seems fairly impoverished, creatively.

Even her story about "don't photoshop out my freckles" came from Jessica, who wrote it on one of her own instagram posts a couple of years ago.

I agree R9, and if she were smart, she'd be dangerous. But all she is is bottom line cunning and predictable. I think Harry's friends don't trust her, hence his and her isolation at Ascot, at weddings, etc., and how she's not greeted with the same warmth - or greeted at all. It's more than the fact that she looks ridiculous. Nobody wants to end up a blind item to serve MM's pr. I also agree the royals are ill-equipped to deal with this and just aren't dealing at all, except not to invite them to Balmoral and things like that. She's a blind item dropper - why give her fodder?

Her "who me"? act with the effortful charm is ludicrous, and transparent. The hand on the chest, the eyebrows raised to her hairline, the reaching out with a clinging hand to the forearm - and the BARRELING ahead of everyone on heavy-footed stork legs. She overacts. All one has to do is watch an episode of Suits to see she can't act, on screen or off. She overplays it.

[R-10] ---- You are probably correct in assuming that MM is a narcissist or has narcissistic tendencies.

My comment is based upon my own experience with older half-siblings and narcissistic parents and being ignored by the rest of the extended family. Like MM, I also "praised" my parents to others both in an effort to show others that I was not quite "alone" and perhaps to bolster my image for professional purposes.

There are two "sides" to every story; those observing the story may never know the truth of the story. I don't want to reveal too much but, for instance, my half-sister refused to help me with any wedding arrangements (I was orphaned by that time) and told me at my wedding that she wasn't sure that she would come to the wedding. I had no family at the wedding other than her, because, in fact, although I had aunts and uncles and first cousins none of them would have anything to do with me since the day I was born. They were ashamed of me and my mother. So maybe, just stretching it a little, MM's step-family were ashamed of her being bi-racial --- didn't they call Doria the "maid"?

And why be so hateful? We don't really "know" these people; we are by-standers -the Greek chorus - observing their drama. It is my opinion that Papa Markle should not criticize his daughter in the press; it's punishing her for her perceived neglect of him.

Who knows what the truth is? Maybe, MM felt that if PH met Papa Markle, PH would have run for the hills and not married her. Maybe Papa M did things to her when she was young --- who knows what happened with him. I know Hollywood "royalty" kids whose parents were so inappropriate (no sexual abuse but major boundary abuse), that they are still trying to deal with the effects in their 40's. There is no reason to castigate any of the parties in this psycho-drama --- if anything, all of them deserve our sympathy, and, that includes the crippled 1/2 sister.

It's my opinion that Meghan Markle should not be creating narratives about her family and expect her family not push back against them. They didn't roll over. At least we know she comes by her aggression authentically, even though she uses surrogates and they can't afford surrogates.

This is data lounge. Castigate is what we do. And Markles' partisans have been creating the "he must have abused her" story because they want a legit reason for her to have dumped her father, along with ALL of her family, and IMO, it is crap. She siphoned her dad's money and when he had none left he became somebody she could dump AFTER she no longer needed to exploit his show business background for her image-building.

Even her mom showing up was basically a cameo appearance - arrived the day before and was gone the day after, hasn't been visited since. Did Markles friends all abuse her? Her ex-husband or husbands? Her castmates who were invited to the wedding but not the reception, while so called A listers she didn't know went to the reception? And so forth. Her behavior tells us about who she is, not about how her family is, however trashy they may sometimes be.

As a Canadian (and others have alluded as such in previous posts), the red flag for me was MM's association and heavy promotion of her association with the Mulroneys in Canada. Brian Mulroney was caught red handed accepting money under the table from a German businessman and it became a big scandal involving parliamentary committee investigations and reports. I don't believe his reputation ever recovered, to be polite. To this day, Brian Mulroney as former Prime Minister of Canada is not discussed, referred to and much less lauded. He in invisible and stays for the most part invisible in the mass psyche quietly summering in Montreal and spending winters hobnobbing in Palm Beach.

The association between Jessica Mulroney and MM is a perfect fit. One party wanting something from the other - climbing the social ladder, pursuing mass and unquestioning adoration from the public as a means to serve their own personal ends. A. Perfect. Fit.

Here's Brian Mulroney doing "an impromptu serenade for Donald Trump" at a gala fundraiser for the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute at Trump's Mar-a-Lago resort.

Well put, R14. Harry appeared to be in the Megs as a victim camp initially but then something changed. He and his family looked like he was to be executed rather than married. What went down?

One day, Harry will be treated like Thomas Markle. She is already dragging the RF through the mud with her stories. With leverage of a child, he will be powerless to resist. Perhaps Catherine or Yuge may have been friends or friendly acquaintances...It is hard to think of any positive stories about her that have proved to be true. And we are in early days, yet...

I don't think it was any big conspiracy. I think Harry found MM alluring and exciting and his ticket to a cool, glitzy world of celebrities. He thought they would be a power couple. I think he was tired of being a minor royal, forever in the shadow of his elder brother. There were loads of red flags, notably the Markle half-siblings denouncing MM in the press. I imagine everyone tried to dissuade him, but he was too proud or too ashamed to bail out before the wedding. And now it's really blown up in his face, and he has taken a lot of heat and ridicule as a result.

One story I'm reading is about MM's appearance at a polo match in 2017. This was one of the early (she's his girlfriend!!!) appearances per the publicity.

However, the story I read is that while Harry knew her, she was not his girlfriend. And she used being at the match to publicly make it look like she was.

Because she had bought a ticket for the first day of the match, she was free to be there. When she showed up the second day, with no ticket and not invited, she was escorted out of the match and off site.

This was before I was following this story, so I have no recollection.

Does anyone remember anything about this?

Meanwhile, Diana has done her first post-wedding interview and she’s very excited about becoming a grandmother again.

MulReally?

Why would anyone take fashion advice from this creature?

Why don't these women hem their pants? They look ridiculous, like they have no feet!

Markle also created a Catch-22 for her dad, per her publicity. First, she ghosts him. She knew he would never be able to get himself over to London, the program that said he was 'expected' was pr. I don't think he outed her about it because his tactic is to blame the RF and the media, when everyone knows it's her, but this way his hands seem clean. Then when he spoke up, her pr said that she couldn't contact him because she couldn't trust him not to report the conversation or visit to the media. So first she dumps him, and when he complains about it, she uses that as a reverse engineered reason to dump him. But she's praying for him. Hasn't a mean bone in her body, that Buckaroo.

R19 I remember that, except she didn't buy a ticket, she was there via her public relations firm or some Suits connection that she used - she didn't have to shell out. Shows up the next day and is kicked out. As I recall, the day she had a ticket, she did the coat-over-the-shoulder deal then as well. Even then I thought her clothing sense was odd.

I also absolutely love the picture of Meghan in a box at Wimbledon looking murderous as she shows someone her credentials while everyone around her smirks and stares.

R18 but that doesn't explain why Harry looked as he did at the wedding. He kept cycling through all the stages of grief. There are a few decent looking screen captures but from a clear angle of him lifting her veil, he's not even looking in her eyes.

I think they hooked up and then something happened, but whoever said the HARRY part of it is a lot more interesting than the Meghan part everyone is looking for is right. I believe that your theory makes sense, I just don't think it's the complete story because it's very odd and he was a mess at his wedding. Something is just OFF that isn't covered by the simplest explanation.

All of this Mulroney fashion is poor man's Victoria Beckham, and I have no idea what explains Beckham, except that she appears to have borrowed from the oddball way Angelina Jolie has been dressing herself for years.

Exactly.

And it happened or came to light shortly before the wedding, which was when his demeanor toward her changed significantly. Whatever it was, the family knew. Was it something like she aborted his kid? Refused to sign a pre-nup then threatened to blackmail him if he did not go forward? It was something that impacted the RF in some way, I think, they were all wary and subdued.

R24 please share that pic

After all the no prenup stories, there was this

MM BOASTING about "my father was a lighting director...blah blah" on Craig Ferguson at 4:30 minutes.

Some people speculate that Markle will ghost Mulroney in time, but I don't think that's possible. Mulroney knows all about her, and really is her only "family" at this point that isn't on the payroll, although Mulroney is trying to make bank from the association. It's her turn now. Mulroney is ridiculous but seems more benign as a personality while Markle seems malign. Just may take. They are all self-absorbed to an insane degree. My favorite moment from the wedding was when the four cars carrying the moms and the child bridal attendants pulled up in front of the church, Mulroney's car parked dead center. That was no accident. She wanted to walk up the center of the stairs in her dress fitted around her ass, gunning for a Pippa moment. Meantime, the Duchess of Cambridge trotted up the stairs on the left and the cameras followed her, not Mulroney, so much for Pippa. Then when the cameras did switch to the center view, there was three year old Princess Charlotte waving enthusiastically to the crowd, completely upstaging Jessica's ass display. But of the course the weird thing is why would a 37 or 38 year old woman want to strategize a moment like that? She obviously did, and it's extremely vain and immature, and also delusional (because of the 38 part, and the sun damage, and the inflated chest, she's not the hot piece she thinks she is).

Posting this photo again. Looks like the Queen is in deep depression at Hazbean wedding.

On the subject of Kate and Will's compatibility. I suspect Prince Charles spoiled both his boys in equal measure. The difference was it was impressed upon William by external sources of his future role and instilled a sense of responsibility that combined with the loss of his mother and having to assume a more care-taking position for his younger brother was the catalyst which caused him to be particularly discretionary about what type of woman he would marry. In Kate's case, she is the oldest of three. If you are around children, you can tell almost immediately if they have younger siblings. In general, by virtue of birth order the oldest have learned patience, to develop a giving nature, and how it is to nurture others. They knew life when they were the center and then suddenly they have to share toys, familial attention, affections, etc. The mental paradigm shift to co-exist in harmony after such a dynamic change should not be underestimated. You get the sense Kate nurtures Will. You see it in the photo posted upthread and on their wedding day when her lips were read asking William, "Are you happy?" Kate is familiar with compromise and sharing the spotlight, and Will in turn learned he could trust Kate--in particular from how she conducted herself with their break-up. It only added to her appeal that with the Middletons William literally did indeed get the solid idealized family he never had. Harry and MM were both raised spoiled and overly-indulged minus any opportunity to temper their self-absorbed psyches with having to share or be accountable for someone else.

I agree, R32, something went down. His demeanor toward her changed a great deal. The whole family seemed to be feeling dread or grief or something similar. Not at all what would be expected at a wedding.

R33, how can 2 people like that co-exist in a relationship? How did it then get this far? Was it long distance then rushing?

This is less than rah, rah

My sense is the Hazbeans are still a novelty to each other. As the grind of everyday living churns and all the excitement wanes, the lustre in playing their game will fade. Because that is exactly what they seem to be doing, playing.

To what do you ascribe the less than joyous faces of the family on the wedding day, R37?

R32, I've never seen that picture before.

It looks to me as if the Queen has tears in her eyes.

They knew each other for 16 months before the engagement and were apart for most of that except for short secret visits. And you can bet your last dollar that Meghan was not being herself on those visits. She was laying it on thick, "You're a humanitarian? I am tooooo". Note to self: become a humanitarian.

They totally signed a pre-nup and it will be used.

R32 Prince Phil looks afraid she's going to speak up when the priest asks for objections.

The sense from the family was that this was a very sad occasion. It was spun by some outlets as missing Diana, but the Queen would not shed tears over that and the wedding of his brother was quite festive. I have no idea why but my sense was that they, including Harry, felt regret and apprehension but that it had to go forward. The one who seemed like the cat with the cream was MeAgain.

For those who watched, at which point in the service did the guests laugh? Was it the part about faithfulness?

R38 They look like any family who knows the marriage is a mistake but are trying to be supportive anyway, even as they witness the train wreck unfold.

R42 and R43 Her face was on the tea towels.

The queen wasn't crying.I doubt she cares as much as people want her to.

R14 There is so much bullshit on these threads like saying Doria showed up for the wedding, left and didn't see MM again. She arrived days before the wedding. Doria has spent a good part of the summer visiting w/ MM and Harry at the Cotswold rental house.

Why have all these angry women come over from other sites like Celebitchy to trash MM? Blackmail Harry into marrying her? What a ridiculous notion.

If you think Harry didn't look madly in love w/ Meghan at the wedding, you're nuts. He was even worried about Doria when he saw her crying.

I'll give you Harry looks "mad" sugar.

[quote] Why have all these angry women come over from other sites like Celebitchy to trash MM?

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I agree with R43. Everyone in the RF knew it was a trainwreck and they also knew there was going to be serious blowback onto them. Harry was headed off a cliff and pulling them down with him.

As to Harry's demeanor, I think it was just all of the emotions one feels getting married - awe, fear, elation, etc.

Fiona Shackleton, the divorce lawyer used by Charles, Andrew, Paul McCartney etc., was at the wedding she wasn’t at other royal weddings. Popbitch has the story that she was there because a last minute prenup was signed, unplanned and unexpected but something came to light that forced the issue.

Any rumors or gossip re what that something was?

A non-paywall article about the prenup is linked above. Maybe all the no-pre-nup press came from Ms. Markle.

Something happened, was said or came to light that was known within the family.

It's weird, Wills made Kate wait so long she got the nickname "Waity Katey.' Dimbulb courts a low-payed network show actress in a minor role who lived and worked in another country, someone close to 40 years of age, whom he had never lived with and within the span of a few months, gets hitched in a big public wedding.

Yeah, that pre-nup could come in handy.

Don’t forget all megan’s family drama the week before the wedding. That would be enough to put everyone in a foul mood.

Yeah, not sure that would trigger forcing the pre-nup though, R55. Suspect it was something to do with Megs herself.

So many stories about a pre-nup, guess we will find out the truth when they split. It cannot be more than a few years.

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Was that suppose to be a video, r58?

A video always opens up first with the daily mail links it seems. No, it is an article.

An article is one thing. Watching them basically rebuff her in the church courtyard before a wedding says something different.

I don't think royals need a pre-nup.

Why?^^^

I think the money is protected and I would bet if we looked at the laws we'd find the royals are an exception in British law, and an ex spouse doesn't have the options of a civilian. She's married to Harry, and, legally, Harry's own income is "just" the trust fund income. When you read Diana's will and the structure of the trust, it protects it for Harry and William's descendants. There's also a provision for what if the descendants peter out at some point, but I can't remember what that is. Harry's other "assets" aren't accessible to Meghan. Not the trust principal, not an allowance from Charles, not the royal property that is not private property.

This is the same post you made in another thread R47. Harry looked dead-eyed and his thousand yard stare would be heartbreaking if he hadn't done this to himself.

R46 unfortunately Doria did NOT spend a good part of the summer with the Dimwit and Bean. It's made up. Go back over the schedule, their travel, and it bumps up against OTHER places they claimed to be. Doria was also papped (by her fave pap) during the same period she was supposedly spending a good part of the summer at Casa Harkle. It's a lie, like all the bullshit Meghan puts out there. She's hoping to distract yet again from her poppa, and also not to look like such a loser, but all it does is get people trying to match dates and seeing they conflict.

I hope she signed the $500million pre nup at R29.

Harry isn't worth anywhere close to that.

The only person with any real wealth in the royal family is HM Queen so that it can be passed to the next monarch without inheritance tax.

There wouldn't be much property to go after in a divorce. The residences are loans from the queen, as is the tiara. The Arab royals give jewels to the Windsors, but all gifts from foreign royals and government officials are property of the Crown.

The inheritance from Diana and a smaller one from the Queen Mother are his only substantial assets. I think the assumption is that Charles will leave an inheritance for Harry and his children, and the Queen will leave some money for the Yorks, Wessexes and Anne's children when she dies. William will inherit the Duchy of Cornwall first, then the the Duchy of Lancaster and the Queen's private estates, personal jewels, horses and stamp collection.

If they do divorce, she'll probably get quite a bit of his money just to keep quiet. They played hardball with Sarah and she's been an embarrassment to them ever since.

“Suppose to be”, R59?

R46 - You are misinformed. All the women on Celebitchy with a few exceptions that Kaiser leaves there to show her site isn't completely in the pay of MM's PR are rabid Meghan lovers.

I agree that the most of these conspiracy theories are absurd. It isn't rocket science to figure out that the BRF clocked Meghan for the phony grifter she is, but felt hopeless to stop him and in the end left Harry to his fate. It's also not rocket science to see that the mood at the Hazbean wedding wasn't nearly as celebratory as the mood at William's.

But beyond that, nobody knows what's going on. And, yes, if she isn't pregnant within two years, poster upthread is correct: s/he'll be wrong. But I would put cold hard cash on her being already pregnant or pregnant by February 2018. She'll move heaven and earth to see that that happens, and she'll have all the medical assistance money can buy. She has too much riding on a child. Without one, her life will be unendurable: she'll be unfavourably compared to the fecund Kate, Harry will be disappointed, and the BRF will have less compunction about prompting Harry to get rid of her, and if he does. she'll have far less claim on a financial settlement of any size.

Oh, she'll get that bun in the over come hell or high water.

And yes, the company she keeps is evidence of her shallowness and shitty personal standards, and of Harry's dim fatuousness.

We'll see how it plays out. Once that baby appears, however, all bets are off on the End Of The Sussex Marriage.

And no one knows that better than Sparkle.

*helpless to stop him

and

*pregnant by February 2019

R69

The thing that I find so remarkable are all these stories that are being published with little or no actual evidence, despite the huge numbers of paparazzi following these people's moves. We've heard that Harry and Meghan were visiting the Clooneys in Italy, that they were with the Queen at Balmoral, that Doria has been staying with the couple at their country house. That Meghan flew to Canada to visit friends. I know that Meghan's people supposedly told Air Canada there were to be no pictures, but Air Canada wasn't chaperoning her entire trip, if it even happened. No one knows if Guy the Beagle is dead or alive, and there is just that one dubious picture of a dog riding with the Queen. Even the stories about the beagle are incredibly sketchy: I've read that it was hit by a car at Kensington Palace by a staff member's car, and had to be put down. Parts of Kensington Palace are public, more or less. Would you allow a notoriously boisterous dog like a beagle to run free, without a leash, where there are public visitors?

To segue, while I voted for Obama both times over his policies, I didn't really appreciate his personality until I saw different clips of him with young children. Children gravitate to him, and he's so warm and natural with them. It's been the same for me with Harry. I, of course, remember feeling terribly for him, watching him walking behind his mother's hearse. But it's watching him interacting with children that's really made me feel an enormous warmth for him (for the record, I'm a gay guy, not a frau). So I think the question as to whether or not he and Meghan can or will have children is important. If Harry is sterile, I don't see why he'd even bother to marry such an aggressive social climber. If Meghan can't have children, Harry could always move on to another wife who can give him the children I think he clearly wants. So Meghan better figure out out to produce a child or two, or her days as Harry's wife are numbered. And, considering her treatment of her dogs, I shudder to think of her as a mother.

Her treatment of dogs and HUMANS, R71.

dim fatuousness - love it!

Looking at him as that sad, scared little boy is hard. But his mother living was no panacea, she was quite unstable. She threw herself down stairs whilst pregnant with his brother, no? Still, the death of a parent as a young child must be horrible. Charles is not warm and his taking up with Camilla would be difficult for sons who wanted to protect their mother. I think I read that Wills said he would get her title back for her when he was king? How men treat their wives can be very difficult for their children. Messy family, but Wills pulled it together with the rock of Kate and her family. Harry has no family trips to go on, no older inlaws to provide advice and counsel, etc. She did not bring much to the table.

I don't know where some of you are getting this 1,000 yard stare that Harry suppposedly had going on at his wedding. He looks like a free agent to me here telling his bride how amazing she looks. I watched the entire wedding as well and the only thing I noticed is that Harry kept wiping beads of sweat from his face through the entire ceremony.

He looked pretty smitten to me.

Not a "sugar" either.

Harry looked in love to me.

Interesting how Haz is shaking his head "no" as he says I'm so lucky. And Wills trying to maintain his composure while watching this joke of a spectacle play out before him is priceless!

All this coming out now - treatment of Diana aside, Phillip has always been a nasty prick to Charles it seems. Even at deaths door, sticking the knife in one more time.

At least Charles was a better father than him?

I thought he detested Diana? Maybe it was just Fergie?

R76 That's because he's not actually saying "I'm so lucky", just like he never said "wait till you see her".

Harry doesn't have a trust from the Queen Mother. Her cash was distributed equally in trusts among her grandchildren (all of whom save Charles are "spares" themselves, so it's not as if they were / are better placed income-wise than he). It wasn't distributed among her great grandchildren. There's a continued myth that family members strove to make it up to Harry somehow for being born second, but unless these people stop with one child, someone or several someones is always going to be the Harry, and there are plenty of Harrys in this family, not just him. My only query is - did the QM include Charles, who is much wealthier than his siblings and cousins? If I were to guess, I'd guess yes, in that the family seems stodgy that way. "Equal distribution is equal distribution." There were the same stories about Diana's will being unbalanced in Harry's favor, but it was also equal.

MM is emoting like she is on a soap going for an Emmy. Hope the backstory is public one day. Something happened shortly before and the decision was to go forward, although only MM looked happy about it. Surely rumors or gossip have or will leak?

Diana herself is responsible for the impression that Phillip and the family hated her. It suited her victim stance. She always slagged off on the BRF.

I feel badly because I think the "I refuse to be the first prince of Whales without a mistress" came from her in the Andrew Morton book, and as such, it's as likely to be a fabrication as other stuff in that book.

Why does that make you feel badly, R81?

Most men in his position have mistresses is my guess.

It was the marriage part being so rocky due to her instability and his not knowing what to do and then being so attached to Camilla that made it a bit different, possibly. What do you do when your wife, pregnant with the future king of England, throws herself down stairs during a holiday? Who would know what to do in such a situation? I am no fan of Charles, never have been, but it seemed he had no idea of her mental states before the marriage. Perhaps she was poorly vetted or maybe it was thought she would outgrow it?

R66 Charles is a billionaire, I’d call that real wealth.

Those letters surely sting a bit for Camilla, no?

R80, the OTHER story is that they were only supposed to be engaged, that was their arrangement, and then Markle changed her mind and the wedding hastened ahead. That would explain how it was thrown together and it would explain everyone's demeanor, including the groom's. The environment has a native splendor - the church, the carriages (that are already royal property and available), the uniforms, that make it look more expensive and that it took more planning than it likely did once one looks a the details. The enormous bower at the door of the church and not much else. No carpet on the aisle. The lame wedding cake. The bridal dress that appears as if a costume department had three hours to put it together before the leading lady had to be on stage or substitute in a role on film. The sketchy way the female bridal attendants' dresses were put together - a million little girls have worn similar get-ups at English weddings but these were missing sashes, and socks or stockings, or lining, and had rolled hems.

Just sharing the story that goes about elsewhere. I have no idea what the rationale is behind the story - that they think she has something on him (oh excuse me, for Harry stans they claim she must have something on his family, and he sacrificed himself) I guess, and agreed to be paid off with an engagement, but then she changed her mind or broke her word and they had no answer for her.

Meghan Markle is someone you can see from space. For all the insistence (convenience insistence) of some that it's racism, it's not. It's phoniness. She's a self-parody. The pretending to be part of a conversation when the person isn't talking to her, reacting even though she's ignored, smiling and leaning back, the way she walks, the way she dresses that is so bizarre - she's not very mysterious. I think she has probably done some shady shit, but nothing that could "bring her down" as his fans fantasize. But I guess HE could have done something (or again, his family, as his fans prefer to believe). If he thought his association with her had a shelf life and then he found himself saying I do, that could explain the funereal demeanor of not just his family, but his friends. That Straubenzee guy couldn't even look at him.

What I think is that Camilla didn't break up the marriage, and Charles didn't wreck it by taking a mistress. I think basically he told the truth in his own interview, that he didn't resume sleeping with Camilla until his marriage had "irretrievably broken down" ( both of us having tried) whereupon they both slept with other people. And they both contributed to the breakdown of the marriage. I don't believe Diana's version/timeline in Morton's book.

R79 She funded a trust for her great grandchildren in the early 90s.

£19 million in 1994

Everything else passed to the Queen.

If Diana said the grass was green I’d get it checked by three independent sources. This was not a woman for whom reality was a strong influence.

I don't think Charles is a billionaire - for awhile his settlement payment to Diana made him cash poor. I've read of the income the Duchy of Cornwall produces, and has historically produced, and I don't think it's a billion dollar income property. The property itself may be worth that, just saying the income it produces isn't billions. The Duchy isn't his, per se, either, it's more like his to enjoy while he lives, but he can't sell it or do anything to disturb it for his heir.

But why could he not just say no? It was clear from her PR strategy and aggressiveness about things like showing up at polo that she was trying to force things. I wonder if she said she was knocked up then lost it? The quick wedding had been announced and it was decided to go forward? Even though it was known then that she lied?

How does one have an arrangement to be engaged and not put the brakes on? What DID he get up to at Soho House? He seems quite wary of her now, too little, too late.

A bit on the RF's finances, particularly the Queen Mother's.

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R79 R87 And the Wessexes and Margaret's grandchildren hadn't been born yet. So £19 million, adjusted for investment returns over 24 years, split between William, Harry, Beatrice, Eugenie, Peter and Zara. It could have had a provision for unborn great grandchildren, but I don't think I've seen that reported anywhere. There are some reports that William got less than the others did.

Beatrice and Eugenie have another trust set up when their parents divorced in 1996 with money from the Queen. It originally had £1.4 million.

It's reasonable to assume the Queen has already taken care of her descendants anyone else she wanted to leave money to. Gifts given at least seven years before death aren't considered part of the estate and aren't in the public record, but her will will be. Leaving millions to her grandkids and great grandkids in her will would be bad PR.

Nobody knows who got what (from the QM), other than the essentials of what the Queen got and the discussion about "children and grandchildren". Presumably the QM established her trusts before shuffling off this mortal coil, so it wasn't consumed by the debts she owed.

I have no idea R90, but there's something hidden in this whole shebang.

"But why could he not just say no? It was clear from her PR strategy and aggressiveness about things like showing up at polo that she was trying to force things. I wonder if she said she was knocked up then lost it? The quick wedding had been announced and it was decided to go forward? Even though it was known then that she lied?

How does one have an arrangement to be engaged and not put the brakes on? What DID he get up to at Soho House? He seems quite wary of her now, too little, too late."

Well, it would depend upon what she "had" on him. They go on and on about this on the various tumblrs, but at the same time these places hold the view that Harry being "coerced" into marriage (which is the story they tell) makes him her victim, and none of them want to address the fact that you can't be coerced unless you've got something to hide. Something bad, needless to say.

The "it was never supposed to be more than an engagement" school believed Meghan would be allowed to break it off, that she realized she was too American or something. But she double crossed them, and still held whatever she had over Harry's head. Or not just Meghan, but whoever is involved with Meghan. There's also the story that she took unauthorized pics of KP and got the boot from Charles at one point (pre-engagement).

I must say, I can't think of what in God's name any possible "something" could be. The right wing political crowd on tumblr is all over it, probably thinking Andrew is running a pedo ring out of a pizza house right next door to Hillary's pedo ring establishment. But that lunacy aside, what? Video of Harry in bed with more than one person, and one of the persons is a dude? Video of Harry doing drugs (that one I would believe)? I don't believe that Vegas Harry grew up, I just think he got smarter about mobile phones after that episode. Audio of Harry agreeing to something shady, like using his royal access or privilege in some dark way?

I must say, though, that the screen still of Meghan up in the stands at Invictus games, ordering the cameras about, do give one pause, as does her Evil Bitch facial expression. Then the screen caps of Markus Anderson (the Soho pimp of all trades it is rumored) leaning into Harry with an intense look and his mouth open like he's yelling at him (in the stands, same series of stills) is also bizarre. WTF is Prince Charles' son doing getting bossed by Markus fucking Anderson? Then there's Doria looking like she's going into Harry's shirt - I don't think she's doing that literally, but she has gotten herself right up on him and if it were TV, it would look like she was checking him for a wire or speaking into his microphone. Which I don't think is reality, so what was up with her getting so close (it wasn't sexual). And then there's Mulroney just standing a few feet apart. That is a strange group of people to be having anything to do with one another, and I include Mulroney. What is SHE doing in this mess? She has big family money, she's running her own racket off being a Mulroney, why's she playing at the Soho Brothello?

The mind wonders, does it not, R95? Do you have links to any stills or video of the I Games that you refer to? I was thinking something along the lines of influence peddling a la Uncle Andy, perhaps. I do not think she is acting alone, she has a crowd who helped set it up, and to go really La Carre - who knows who she could be acting on behalf of? Harry got himself into this but it no longer appears to be a social/emotional pickle but rather something else perhaps?

Maybe it is the fault of the Masons? Harry, Wills and Charles are said to be members, no?

[quote]The one who seemed like the cat with the cream was MeAgain.

Diana martyred herself over Charles and Camilla but herself pursued married men.

Someone dubbed Meghan's wedding look "The Serene". An unvarying facial expression she adapted so as not to be mocked the way she is when she clutches her chest with her hands and lifts her eyebrows to the skies while smiling at the pathetic worthies before her. It makes her look Stepford, her Wedding Face. Never seen a bride and groom so disconnected.

R96 the stills have been repeatedly posted on tumblr, along with the hilarious still of Meghan having to bust out her credentials at Wimbledon and looking terribly pissed while everyone smirks. I went searching for the latter tonight but have still not been able to scroll much past two days ago, there is so much on the "anti" Meghan Markle timeline right now. But they will come up again, and I'll post on this or Part 12 when they do.

R95

[quote] There's also the story that she took unauthorized pics of KP and got the boot from Charles at one point (pre-engagement).

I read this one too. The story was that she was escorted to the airport by RPO and they waited there until they were sure she had left the country. Something about her supposedly taking pictures of "private spaces" for which she was supposed to be paid a lot of money by media people.

Why is it so hard for some of you to believe Harry loves her? Harry is a moron. A moron with a good heart but still a moron.

She played him like a violin and Voilà!

It's easy, no need of black mailing or any other stupid conspiracy theory.

The reality is Vegas-Nazis-Harry is more than happy to marry some z-list actress with a fake personality and Instagram taste. And he even believed she would be awesome at her "work", at least far better than Kate.

He's just plain stupid and they deserve each other.

R102 if that was the case, she wouldn't have been allowed to marry Harry.

Maybe that is when the blackmail came into play, R104? If so, explains why no trip to Balmoral perhaps.

Black Beverly Hills?

Did Doria move? Is it the family house? Is Chuck paying for Doria new house?

So many questions.

The article is from before the wedding. The answer to the questions is that the vast majority of articles about MeAgain are bullshit. I thought when Megs was a teen her mother lived in an apartment? How is her mother living in an expensive neighborhood as a social worker or yoga instructor?

Maybe she rents that guesthouse? I did not pay much at attention before the grim wedding, anyone know?

R64 I have never made that post before. You're just another nutter who hates Meghan.

R95 Get a blog.

How could the mother have been there all summer when they were not even there most of the time? The story is all over Yahoo, etc, why is it being pushed so hard? Is it supposed to counteract the rift with the rest of her family?

R106 That article is ludicrous, obviously written by an English reporter who doesn't know anything about LA. Doria lives in the house her father left her when he died. It's not a townhouse nor is the area by LAX called the "Black Beverly Hills." It's in the fucking Crenshaw District which is nothing like Beverly Hills. Below is the photo of Doria Ragland's green painted house.

Oh for heaven's sake - the idea that Meghan Markle blackmailed Harry into an "engagement" that was never supposed to lead to a real wedding and then MM went "rogue" on the agreement and the poor little BRF caved in without a murmur is beyond absurd. I do not know where people get these ideas given that they are pure fan fiction.

As in most schools tests, the first and simplest answer is usually the right one. A bored, restless, emotionally confused, immature spoilt man of 33 with no real purpose in life gets snagged by an experienced, clever, narcissistic grifter who knows this is a gig that no PR agent could ever have gotten her. She pushes it along and finally perhaps he shrugs his shoulders and says, Fuck, I'm too tired to look for anyone else and start all over again, she clearly wants it so bad she can taste it, maybe it's time . . . and says, OK, Megs, let's do it. (And mutters to himself silently, "And this'll pay the family back for how they treated Mum, too.")

Harry is a classic "acts out" first, thinks later type.

Yes, you can see Meghan Markle from outer space - and that probably includes the BRF. But there was nothing they could do absent a scandal so huge it would have made the whole thing impossible, and there isn't one, or they'd have used it to help Harry break off either the relationship or the engagement. They're not happy to have her there but they're making the best of it.

And people see what they want in photos, select photos out of hundreds that support their narratives.

She's totally unsuitable and it will be fun watching her endless blunders and imaging the private squirming of the senior BRF members. The Queen will die, things will move along, we'll have plenty of appalling outfits to review, and, of course, a media gushing over the birth and christening of the Queen's first mixed race grandchild, who will be so pale if you didn't know, you'd barely see it (except for the hair of course, which, given Harry's and Meghan's natural texture is likely to look like Brillo - especially next to the glossy locks of his/her Cambridge cousins).

I'm sure Harry was genuinely infatuated with the "idea" of Meghan. How the reality of Meghan plays out is still a matter of speculation.

She needs that baby desperately to bridge the gap between new entry and safely established member.

If she really had any dirt on them,MI6 would have fixed this little Meghan problem.

Can DL even handle this number of hair and clothing disasters without a period of reflection in between? There will be no time to go through our usual five stages (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance) before the next appearance begins.

I would advise all of you, starting today, to make sure you’re getting 8 hours of of sleep, eat lots of vegetables, begin a light exercise program if you haven’t already, and throw in a multivitamin just to be on the safe side.

Godspeed.

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[quote]Popbitch has the story that she was there because a last minute prenup was signed, unplanned and unexpected but something came to light that forced the issue.

That's ridiculous. If it were true, there is no way she'd be rewarded with public visibility to stir speculation exactly like this.

Popbitch has been uncannily accurate in the past r117. I wouldn’t discount anything they publish, I can’t think of one single thing that hasn’t turned out to be true.

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R116 - Multiple countries, cities and functions....the important question: how will Nutmeg wear her slut stilettos for two weeks in a row?

I bet that the ordinary Australian people will be less than thrilled at the cost of all of those private flights, they get the bill when the Royals visit.

We are not thrilled. Or amused.

The Tumblr blog run by a sane woman who does volunteer opposition research against Donald Dump, brings up some interesting points:

- The DM article about Charles forging a lovely relationship with Meghan is sourced from an unnamed royal family member to royal reporter Katie Nichols. One guess as to which member of the RF wants to boast about Charles falling in avuncular love with his new daughter-in-law, Meghan the Miraculous? Could it be Meghan herself leaking about her and Charles' mutual admiration society? Nah, not our discreet and humble Meg.

- There were rumors that Harry introducing Meghan to the world last year at the Invictus Games, thus taking the spotlight off of the athletes, upset the IG organizers. Well, this year, Meghan and Harry are only showing up for the games for two or three days, and it's almost guaranteed that The Frocky Horror Picture Show (borrowed that from a Tumblr anon) of Meghan's fashion disasters on this tour will take the spotlight off Invictus too. So much for Harry being all about helping wounded warriors.

Meghan's formal legal complaint to the UK press regulatory board accusing the media of racism was lodged before barely anyone even knew who she was and while Harry was allegedly dating other women. Then Harry's hysterical letter, clearly written by Meg herself, also accused the press of racism. Had the RF put the kibosh on the relationship, they would have been pummeled with charges of racism, so there is no need for elaborate blackmailing theories, this is why the RF let the wedding go ahead.

R103 - in a nutshell!

If she's playing the leaking game and it's proven, life is going to get very frosty for her on the inside. Both Charles and Camilla have personal experience with Diana's game and their memories won't be warm. William absolutely hates the press. She's playing a dangerous game if it's her... and to what end? She's second string and will increasingly be so as Charles and William move ahead.

Another vote for R103.

R124 - "Meghan's formal legal complaint to the UK press regulatory board accusing the media of racism was lodged before barely anyone even knew who she was and while Harry was allegedly dating other women. Then Harry's hysterical letter, clearly written by Meg herself, also accused the press of racism. Had the RF put the kibosh on the relationship, they would have been pummeled with charges of racism, so there is no need for elaborate blackmailing theories, this is why the RF let the wedding go ahead."

Exactly. Between the Vanity Fair cover and the threatening letters complaining about racism, Meghan made it look as if this was done and dusted, making it impossible for either Harry or the BRF to ditch her without looking like royal white supremacists. The BRF then shrugged its shoulders, after all, look how far from the throne Dumbo is, and, as I said upthread, left Harry to his fate. Sometimes, that's really all you can do.

When Kate turned up pregnant in fall 2017, forcing the engagement announcement back a few weeks, it's a wonder the BRF didn't hand her another tiara to wear in sheer gratitude.

Meghan strikes me as having a good bit of street cunning but who is fundamentally stupid about people who are really different from her.

I'll quote the perp from "Black Widow" once more: "The trick to any of this is knowing when to stop."

The Black Widow of the film didn't know when to stop, and finally got caught. Having gotten what she wanted, Meghan doesn't know that she can stop playing PR games and should just relax, get to know the British people, try genuinely to see the work as enjoyable for its own sake, have a baby, settle in, and avoid controversy.

But she can't. She's been clawing and strategising and manipulating for so long she doesn't know how to be anything else. That's the real difference between her and Kate.

As George Eliot observed: character is destiny. That's where the really big news story will emerge from, it if emerges eventually.

[quote] If she's playing the leaking game

After that "Kate didn't off me a ride" leak, it was apparent that Sparkle is leaking.

I am sure William and Kate know this and are keeping her far away, particularly from the home and children.

^^ That should be "offer", obviously.

Let's face it. Harry is in love and it shows...he looks happy and can barely keep his hands off of her.

I doubt he is being forced into anything or trying to piss off the rf. He's not a rebellious teenager and if his halle berry poster is anything to go by, he's just with his type.

And I don't think he's as dumb as you'd like him to be.

Any whinging, hating and thinly veiled racism goes in one ear and out the other. They know you're frustrated and fuming. Harry just registers it correctly as jealousy and moves right along. He doesn't care what you think because the people he loves and respects don't care, philip is not racist and have had more foreign pussy than you've had hot meals. He has been to countries you haven't even heard of let alone can pronounce. He is worldy whatever you think.

If they didn't approve of meghan she wouldn't be here.

Philip was smiling ear to ear at the wedding. So was eddie and even will. The queen loves her because she reminds her of her sister and she shares birthday with QM. Face it, she's here to stay.

What, R131, Harry thinks all the Megxit fans are just jealous? Of what? He's hardly JKF, jr.

I can't stand "president" Donnie Fatso for the same reasons I dislike Our Meg ( they're both grifting narcissists with a penchant for fibbing, and with rabid, irrational, violence-threatening, psycho-fans) and diss Hair Furor whenever I'm given the opportunity, so am I racist against whites for disliking Trump, R131?

R132 That's not what you said before he married meghan.

Now it's "dimwit" and "balding ginger" but before meghan it was "good king harry" and "he is better than willnot!"

He knows you don't like meghan and he knows why and where those feelings are coming from.

This from CDAN

April 7, 2018

An author that is working on a book about the future royal couple found two more men who said the at the time bit player on a network show was strictly pay for play.

Meghan Markle

"Philip was smiling ear to ear at the wedding." --that is some funny shit.

*applauds r128*

Exactly

Thank you, R136.

You cracked me up.

131. Once a sugar always a sugar. It seems like you copied and paste your reponse from celebitchy and other Meghan trashy tabloid mags. At least the so called Meghan haters are more creative in their response. What is your excuse for such a dull brain washed statement.

This dim interloper doesn't seem to know where she is or how well-read DL posters generally are. I will give that these threads have been inundated by royal watchers on either side of the divide who had never heard of DL before Google notifications began hitting their inboxes.

[quote]philip is not racist and have had more foreign pussy than you've had hot meals. He has been to countries you haven't even heard of let alone can pronounce. He is worldy whatever you think.

Do we really think that MI6 would have her taken out if she had some real dirt? I’m imagining some shit like Villanelle from “Killing Eve”.

But I do think it’s really as simple as Harry being dumb and railroaded/manipulated. She probably refused to give him any pussy until the wedding night, or something.

R118 - and Popitch knows this how about the prenup? That's leaving aside the fact that in Britain, pre-nups don't have quite the iron-clad force they have in American courts. A judge is allowed discretion in how much weight to give a prenup on a case by case basis. "Something came to light" like what does that even mean and why would it have had any bearing on the prenup or the wedding? You think their lawyers talk to Popbitch? Very doubtful.

If Sparkle and Harry part company, which I doubt will be any time soon unless she really doesn't get pregnant, which I'm not counting on, she's only 37 - if she's perfectly healthy and he is also there's no reason she can't - she'll get some sort of settlement. With a child, Harry will be extremely reluctant to put his own child in the position that he and William were put in, or that he saw his cousins Yuge and Bea placed in. He'll fight tooth and nail to keep his family together.

So that baby is the key to Sparkle's future security, not the bloody prenup. Especially given Harry's limited access to liquid assets. What would the prenup promise her? He only has so much. For her to surrender her rights to that HRH and all those perks, it would have to be a might sweet package, and it won't be that sweet without that baby.

I'll wage a month's retirement on her being either 1) two months along right now, or 2) announcing a late spring or early summer baby by February 2019.

She - needs - that - baby - and - soon.

R141- LOL - no she isn't that stupid. Harry can get pussy any time he wants. What she promised him was a life less boring, less meaningless, and with plenty of hot sex, a woman different from the rest of the bitches who turned him down, and a chance to stick it to the BRF whom he probably still blames for his mother's unhappiness.

R140 - Philip is a mixed bag, for sure. He's a man of his times, which makes him ipso facto, somewhat racist. He's irritable and doesn't suffer fools or restrictions gladly, and his occasional outbursts are a result of years spent doing just that. The Queen seems to think he was a marvelous support, despite his undoubted many affairs, but she's a woman of her times, too.

He came from a tremendously unstable family background. And I think he was the worst possible father for Charles. The Queen Mother wasn't fooled by his Uncle Dickie Mountbatten's determination to get his nephew to the top of the BRF and father the next generation of royals, ensuring bloddlines filled with Mountbatten DNA. But in the end, she and her husband, King George VI, couldn't oppose their daughter's unreasoning passion for Philip, which she developed at 13 and never recovered from. She never looked at another man for the rest of he life.

And she never opposed him, any more than she opposed any of her children in their foibles - or grandchildren.

A very mixed bag.

Prenups in the UK are upheld unless one person can show why it shouldn't be. The Judge can't just disregard it if he or she feels like it. It was the Radmacher case that changed the way prenups are treated. As for Sparkle I really don't think she realises what she has got herself into. I see gossip that she thinks no one would dare arrest her - with regards to her travelling with her "stuff". If she gets caught with something I doubt the British State is going to cover it up - it's not worth it, she's not married to the heir. After all she's a foreign national, travelling on a regular passport. My understanding is only those on diplomatic passports have immunity and the British in particular will not protect you if you have done something illegal, unlike the Americans. Then there's the rumours about the merching and then claiming full price for freebies - that is fraud. If true she better hope there is no paper trail. The reality of marrying a Prince, especially in that family is not quite the fairy tale Disney sells us.

It rather depends, R145, I think on exactly who else she has crossed since she attached herself to Harry.

She may think she knows all the players, but she is truly clueless. There is a lot more to the Royal Family than Harry & his relatives.

If she gets caught bringing in something she shouldn't, it might give some people great pleasure to expose that - just imagine the "She's using Prince Harry. She's using the RF. She's using her position." headlines.

If she is foolish enough to be caught "in disgrace", the consequences might be much more than she imagines.

R131 Honey, ahhh, sugar, sugar...

R131 - Jesus, you go on that this you'll overdose on sugar.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Harry and Meghan don't get divorced. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he fell in love with her. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Trump got impeached, either.

But the BRF thrilled to have her? Philip's grimace as "grinning from ear to ear"? Harry not dumb?

If they didn't want her there and Harry stamped his foot and insisted, they'd cave in rather than look bad. He got a cut rate wedding and the absence of real joy in the family ranks was palpable.

As for racism: I dunno. when I see a woman on a royal tour who selected a dress that outlines her strapless bra and nipples underneath, I tend to label her a really bad dresser at a minimum and an exhibitionist at a maximum. Oh, yeah, she's half-black; that means she can't possibly have shite taste in clother or a touch of exhibitionism and anyone who points to the outlined bra is a racist.

Your naivete and the absurd conspiracy theories posted here are the proverbial pot and kettle.

And do watch the sugar. We wouldn't want you to end up in a diabetic coma.

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^Ay, sorry about bad editing and pronouns at R149.

Ffs, the British government tried to cover up Charles violating the parameters of his position and trying to interfere in politics by writing to MPs about policies. It took The Guardian, credit where due, several years and application under the FOIA finally to get Charles's "spider memos" released so the public would know that Charles had stepped over a line that he probably had inculcated him by the time he was 12 years old. Dominic Grieve, the Attorney General at the time, tried vigorously to protect Charles and the BRF quietly fought release behind the scenes. In this particular case, they lost.

Believe us, if the BRF wanted the dope habits or other rule breaking by one of their own covered up, they could and would do it.

They do not, it is true, have much power left; but they still have enormous influence. And a great deal of money and connections.

You are assuming they would want to cover up her habits.

R145 Diplomatic passports don't give you diplomatic immunity; they're just a form of identification. You have to apply for and be granted a diplomatic visa from the country you're visiting to have that. They're usually only granted when traveling on official business.

Though I remember reading a story once about a royal getting off a plane at the gate at Heathrow and getting into a waiting car rather than going through the airport and customs like everyone else thanks on the flight. It may have been Harry, but I don't remember.

R151 Prince Harry's pot use only became public knowledge because Charles's comms team leaked it to make Charles look like a good father for making him stop using and talk to addicts.

If she's leaking against the Yorks or Kate and has a drug habit, they might leak that themselves.

[quote]You are assuming they would want to cover up her habits.

You seem as dim as Harry. Why would they not cover them up once gone in whole or even half hog with a grifty girl set to shame? (ya see, I spelled it all out for you!)

R153 Typo... "thanks" should have been "that was"

“There is a lot more to the Royal Family than Harry & his relatives” - actually, there isn’t, R146. That’s what the Royal Family is.

R152 - Yes, I'd assume that. As long as Harry is married to her and wants to stay married to her, she will get the protection of the BRF, a sensibility that I'm sure gives her a great deal of smug satisfaction, regardless of whether or not she really is engaging in these peccadilloes. Because if they want to protect Harry, they have to protect her. That goes double when she has that baby, which I'm sorry to keep harping on, but it really is the key to her security and her ability to hold onto Harry.

Only if Harry so much as breathes in his sleep that he wishes he could be rid of her, he's made a mistake, will that protection suddenly be withdrawn. And then the proverbial will hit the fan.

So far, I see no sign either of Harry regretting his choice or any information but unprovable Internet gossip about drug use, huge sex scandals, merching, etc.

So dig in for the forseeable, kids, and lay in a store of popcorn.

We got Yuge's wedding in four weeks and then . . . a tour Down Under with God knows how many delectably inappropriate and ill-fitting outfits - especially if she's a couple of months along!

LOL @R131... invested much? Do keep posting, though... it's so colourful.

Those pupils didn't dilate themselves, nor did Harry's, and they're not dilated all the time, and it's both of them, therefore it's probably not a medical condition, so what, outside of drugs, could cause on and off pupil dilation in BOTH OF THEM?

I'm really curious as to what the BRF can or will do if she is indeed using and gets pregnant.

Love the "Frocky Horror Show" quip.

Sneak peek at MM's vibrant colour palette for her Spring fashion wear in Australia next month.

She is strutting along at R160 as though she looks GOOD, lol. Maybe she really does not know the difference?

The whole thing is a farce. I hope no child is added to this circus. Neither is fit to care for a DOG long-term.

I can't imagine that grey dress looking f=good on anyone. That flounce on the front plus the colour and material make it look like a roll of carpet.

I saw in the comment section of a you tube video that Doria is a lesbian and has been with her lover for 16 years. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

A roll of carpet at least has some structure and breathability for its occupant, r163.

I would not be at all surprised, R164, that was the vibe I got. Perhaps the partner and Meghan do not get on? Maybe the house in LA belongs to that woman? No way a social worker or yoga teacher could afford that neighborhood.

Interesting that Doria was at the IG and seems to have played an active role in helping to set all this up. Does anyone have a link to video showing the interactions, Doria & Harry, Harry and Soho House Markus yelling, etc? TIA.

If she spent £500 at Zara she’d be better dressed.

Undoubtedly, R167, for one thing, the clothes would be in her SIZE. Shoes too!

Could be possible...

The only positive I can offer on that strapless padded bra drab fiasco is at least the damn tendrils were at bay!

So, what are the Aussie feelings toward the Royal Family? Are certain members seen as better than others?

There has been lots of speculation about Ben

"Harry, my love, hold me, I'm scared these high heels might cause an accident...."

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Oh, dear god. She carried a valise-like purse with stilettos and a dress that tightly accentuated her bra? She must really be a serious business person, then. I'm sure she had very important papers in that high falutin' satchel that needed to be seen by the Republican govt in Ireland.

I admit, the idea of Harry being gay does not sound as farfetched as some of the more sinister conspiracy theories out there. And how coincidental considering the bff's own questionable marriage. Is it out of the realm that there remain those who adopt beards for purposes of children and appearances?

She was hiding her stork legs r176. Any woman who is a public figure and has great legs shows them off.

R177 Are you talking about Guy Pelly? What's questionable about his marriage?

R172, this is the gay Mulroney spawn? How did Jessica allow her kids to inherit the caterpillar eyebrows? She'll probably subject them to electrolysis just post-puberty. Is he really closeted gay, or just a seeker? Either way, unattractive, though I can see how the twins got the weird Addams family vibe from both parents.

I was specifically referring to Jessica Mulroney and her husband Ben who supposedly pings for many.

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Always passed off as a joke

All these joksters...Ronnie is NOT the Mormon member of The Killers

As a former night time soap opera fan, it has been amusing to see Sparkle as the Sammy Jo of the Royal Family.

If the gay rumors are true, does that make Harry the Steven Carrington character?

Like his dad, I think Harry has no objection to having is royal dick sucked by anyone who wants to, but if he were truly gay or bi, we'd know it by now. He's been around for the last 15 years.

Boy, that Beard Club is ... busy.

Lots of rumors about Harry...and his father, who may or may not be Charles. Not Hewitt, scroll down through all of the replies

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I don't buy any of the paternity conjectures. Harry looks more like Charles than Wills.

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Harry and Adam in Africa while Meghan was with Jessica in Toronto

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Meghan and Jess

Any intel on whether Adam will be joining in on the tour down under?

Who knows what is true, but a lavender marriage would explain a lot...the photos are interesting and certainly could fit that interpretation. Or maybe people just have body language that syncs up with old friends. Not likely that we will ever know for sure, anyone close to any of these people would have signed NDAs, etc., or would have their own secrets perhaps.

This was just posted and my jaw dropped at the photos. Who knows if it is true?

More on Adam - investment banker, former rugby player, now an ambassador for a charity Harry founded

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About that pop singer...

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R191 and R193 - do you seriously believe that a photograph of one man in close physical proximity with another man is proof that both of them are gay? I have friends - male and female, straight and gay, younger and older. We are all physically demonstrative. Kiss and hug hello and goodbye. I’ve shared beds with my mates. I’ve had showers with them. Laughed and cried with them. Doesn’t mean that we’re having sex. Just means that we’re relaxed about intimacy.

Caroline Flack is like a cougar Taylor Swift in the UK. Her conquests include Prince Harry, Matty Healy and Harry Styles.

Obviously not, R203. However, just because you are describing platonic relationships, does not mean that describes the relationships in the photo. We live in a world where many public figures do have beard/merkin relationships, and often children. Perhaps you are familiar with John Travolta or Tom Cruise? Just because the media feeds and pushes one story, it does not make it true. Another story that may or may not be true may be right in front of you, hiding in plain sight. My grandma may still swear that that the nice Liberace loved the ladies, she read all about it in the magazines! This is a GOSSIP board after all and there has been gossip around Harry for a long time. Ben Mulroney too...

Harry's not afraid of a little lick.

I’ve never heard of the female equivalent of beard being merkin r205. I’ve always known it to be “lavender frock”. Why would the opposite of beard be pubic wig?

R175's gay porn star (and friend of Harry).

Thanks for that contribution, R207, it adds a lot!

Was he desperate to marry her? Or were we to believe that? Who knows?

Some of the awkwardness or over-selling we are seeing in this current relationship is certainly something we have seen in bearding relationships. It could explain a lot of the odd body language. Time may tell...

[quote]I’ve never heard of the female equivalent of beard being merkin

?!?!? You need Wiki to clear up the obvious parallels? Turn the card in jeez.

[quote](LGBT, slang) The male counterpart of a beard, a companion to a lesbian to feign her straightness.

And, ugh! That horrid Adam guy is horrid!

Gossip board? Yes, R205. But it doesn’t have to be a fantasy board. You’re trying to apply American conservatism to European behaviour. The rest of the world doesn’t always behave the way that Americans do.

The rest of the world does not contain bearding? Gays marrying member of the opposite sex for professional reasons or to have children? Are you SERIOUS? Has NOTHING to do with American conservatism. Must have touched a nerve...

This thread has become fantasy...DL at it's saddest.

Beard_Club appears to be a UK account.

Cannot blame their tweets on American fundies, sorry.

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We can call Megs a yacht girl, call her family trash, etc, for thousands of posts. But suggest she may be a BEARD on a gay gossip board and the cleaners come flocking...

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R213 Yes a nerve has been touched - yours, presumably with the random ALL CAPS words.

You’re an American. You’re trying to apply your understanding of how men should behave with each other on people from more relaxed cultures to prove that someone who you will never know is a closeted homosexual.

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Didn't I read that Princess Mary of Denmark will not be making the trip to Australia, but her husband, Prince Frederick, will?

Harry was in a public school.

Ask any guy who was in a public school he'll tell you the guys experiment with gay sex cause they're horny teens.

So, did Harry, Will and all their posho friends shared hand jobs and kissing? Yes, likely.

Blowjobs and fucking? Well, you'll decide for this one. Sodomy is a psychological limit for most guys, they just don't take it in the ass.

Did Harry keep in public school habits? Perhaps, but I don't think he's gay. He's a bro, bros share everything.

I remember a blind item about some unnamed Royal being devasted when Tommy “Skippy” Inskip married....and Skippy was in Vegas with Harry...

R173 The handbag in that photo is bizarre. It's not unlike a man driving an expensive sports car as a metaphor for his big cock, translated to a woman showing how very, very important she is now because of the big cock she married.

I think it stands as a very good symbol of Meghan's view of herself and what her marriage has done for her.

R223, maybe that was the catalyst for him accepting an arrangement with Megs? He is certainly one of the last of that set to marry. A lot of the oddness and tone seeming off in their interactions could be explained if you reinterpret their relationship. We shall see...Once the deed was done, they were both off - his bro friends being so involved in his Africa charity is curious as that is where he spent a solo chunk of the summer. MeAgain raced back to HER BFF, Jess, who may beard herself.

His father and uncle may be precedents,. It could also explain why Phillip was so hard on Charles. Also, why a gay partner at the ceremony would be avoided for Doria, if those rumors are, in fact, true. It felt like a farce and literally may be. Harry was uncomfortable and may have resisted, so Mememe laid it on extra thick. She seems cold and calculating and not driven by emotion to fit into his world, makes sense if it is a contract. All the attention to her, pro and con, helps draw attention from awkwardness that others have noted. His brother and his wife have a genuine relationship and it reads as such.

I thought it was small men who compensated with flashy sports cars?

Eh, with Megs, always safe to assume it was a freebie given to her BFF. It still had the plastic on it!

Astrologists see a second marriage in wills chart.

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R221 - According to that matchless reporter of all things royal, HOLA, both Mary and Frederik will be attending the IG in Australia. Of course, it doesn't say they will be attending on exactly the same day as the Sussexes.

But hey, a girl can dream.

Then there was this, the actual DM article of them groping under a blanket at the polo is super believable. And do not forget the Jonas and his beard who is tight with Megs. Pretty sure another Jonas has been out partying in the Harry crew.

Ellie was a curious choice to sell a straight narrative for any man. Here she is kissing Rita Ora, remember her relationship with now out Cara and the wifey shirts they used to wear? The cast of characters is so small, Simon Cowell uses the same pool quite a bit.

You can read headlines at face value and discount the awkward photos or you can see it as the almost parody it is. Ellie has also been seen kissing Taylor. Taylor got nervous when so many of her past beaus became seen as obviously gay and when she was photographed being kissed by Carlie at a concert. After the Hiddleswift disaster or epic proportions, she bearded up with Calvin Harris and they sold their straightness in People magazine by being snapped kissing at a Kenny Chesney concert, I mean, how truly hetero can you get?

I believe he's gay and she was chosen for diversity. That's why it doesn't work.

I doubt Harry is gay, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if his wife is bi. For someone who talked about how she couldn't wait to be a mother, her romantic history seems a bit suspect. Her "long" relationships seem to have been constantly "interrupted" with long stays away, and she seems much closer to Jessica Mulroney than she ever did to Trevor Engelson or the hot Toronto chef.

I heard no rumours about Doria and the fact that they're only surfacing now indicate they're just more wild tales gathering around Meghan. Meghan only started dating Harry in 2016. If Doria were a lesbian, it would have been out there in the long years between her divorce of Markle Sr. and her daughter meeting Harry.

R233- if they wanted to "choose" someone for diversity, there are quite a few more accomplished women of colour in Britain he could have dated. I think once it became clear he was determined to marry her, they shrugged and said, "At least we can use her for diversity, and thankfully, she doesn't look too black." But "chosen"? By the BRF? Don't think so.

It explains a lot If Sparkle and dimwit are gay . The way MM treated her exes was could and cruel but If she just beards for them as a lesbian that’s another story all togheter . And the attacks on Diana I know she.s not a saint but now Charles is the good guy . I think there’s a pr chill here from Charles who’s making him a saint . God knows how many woman or man he was seeing in their marriage . Their scrubbing his plate clean for when he will be king .

Does chelsy know hazza is gay? Why no gay rumors until megs came into the scene?

Reaching. First the blackmail saga, then "is cuz they need div-ur-si-ty" cause That's what the royal sycophants want more of, amirite? And now harry is gay!!

Anything besides him being in love please! Our hearts cannot bear the thought of our hazzy being in love with a colored woman! 😣

R235. Change chosen to allowed then. I think they got more than they bargained for with her.

I really think y'all are reading way too much into this. They look wary and uncomfortable because they are very aware that they are being scrutinised and pilloried for everything they say, do or wear. These are two formerly extremely confident people who now find themselves the target of ridicule and condemnation.

There is a familiar adolescent writing pattern from a singular poster (R237) hellbent on portraying the Hazbean saga as some Twilight saccharine version of twoo luuuuuuuv. Keep on sug.

R147, You are my Candy Girl!

And Haz is a dope.

I'm a Frau, and have neither hugged nor seen friends hug in the frontal way MM and JM are pictured in the link at r169.

Is that a Millennial thing, or are they gay?

According to the Beard Club, Jessica and Meghan are a CeLesbian Couple. Jessica;s husband, Ben, and Harry are gay and they are bearding for them.

But according to the Beard Club, everyone is gay!

R203, Heterosexual men do not "share a bed with (male) mates," and don't pretend otherwise.

R243, Not "everyone." But perhaps an inordinate amount of those who seek the public eye and adulation.

R207,Because it's hiding something sexual?

I highly doubt Harry is gay, but I bet he has experimented with men.

Sparkles is probably the same.

The Mulroney’s on the other hand.......Ben is definitely gay. Not sure about Jessica. I think she’s in it for the money and the doors her marriage has opened for her. Most Canadians can’t stand either one of them.

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Can we stick to the fashion disaster that is MM and move all of the are they gay speculation to the thread it belongs to?

R237 - don't go simples on us. The fact that Harry may indeed have become infatuated with a biracial woman and decided at 33 it was time to marry, she was the most amusing thing he'd come across yet, he might as well go for it, doesn't mean that he's a hero and she's an angel.

She's a showbiz veteran, and has probably slept with more men whose shoulders she yawned over as they pumped away than Harry has slept with women.

People marry for a good many reasons, in which one may hope that genuine affection and love are at least some.

But don't tell me that a C-list actress who knew perfectly well she wasn't a compelling talent or a great beauty, looking at 35 in a business where that might as well be 50, from the vantage point of the ONLY real acting job she'd ever managed to get (and that because of her producer husband), but who craves A-List status, didn't look at HRH Harry Windsor and realise he was the answer to her prayers.

Love, my arse. He have been duly infatuated with her, but she was ten times sharper, harder, and hungrier than he was and in those terms, chewed him up and spit out the pits.

I don't know about the gay bits, the blackmail bits, the merching bits, or the druggie bits - they all seem to me to be Internet bullshit, frankly.

But on the point of a narcissistic climber who would have sold her grandmother for A-List status playing a dumb fatuous rich boy with an emotional age of, oh, maybe 16, I have no doubts at all.

She's Becky Sharp with a bit of colour. End of. Full stop.

She might be bi, but she enjoys the dick. Source: know people who know her, and their feeling is at least her first (or maybe second) husband, was a real relationship.

She and Jessica Rabbit are both Becky Sharps, but Jessica is vastly better at it than Meghan, witness Meg's constant faux pas. Meghan just managed to blunder into a bigger prize than Jess, who only snagged the son of the former PM of Canada.

R250, I noticed the pupil dilation the first time she appeared in the stands at the Invictus Games, but I'm fairly naive about drugs. The DL sleuths have worked on figuring this out, and those who know more think those dilated pupils that show up on her, and sometimes Harry too, are not natural, and those on the DL with experience think it's cocaine.

But her, and often his, pupils are often unnaturally dilated, and I can't think of a medical condition that could cause both of them to dilate at the same time, especially given that sometimes their pupils aren't dilated.

Here's the thing, we are all making fun of this situation, but it could have real ramifications for the BRF and as an extension the UK itself. The BRF is one of the last vestiges of empire, and without it would the UK be taken as seriously as a world power? It sounds silly, but the BRF and especially the queen, give the UK a soft power, especially in their former colonies, and certainly in the Commonwealth. Witness how many Americans have been sucked into Dallas At the Palace.

So Meghan, and the ridicule she's engendered, might have longterm consequences not only for the royal family, but the UK.

R251 - well, if you know people personally who know her personally, I'm not about to contradict you. I have never been involved with drugs so can't contradict on that, either. It just seems strange to me that if they were both doing it, the BRF wouldn't have known and it wouldn't be more common knowledge, and the BRF wouldn't have moved heaven and earth to stop Harry from marrying a known coke user.

The monarchy goes much farther back than the Empire - it's an emblem of British, and particularly English, identity going back 1,000 years; the Empire lasted only 200 and the British Raj, people forget, only lasted 70 years, about the same amount of time the Communist revolution lasted in Russia.

So I don't think it's so much Empire as a deep rooted sense that "this is what sets us apart" - I think that the fear of losing a sense of uniqueness that our island identity has helped to build, as well, is the real attachment to the BRF. "This makes us British" "This makes me English".

I believe the Danes feel similarly about their monarchy, not least because it's the oldest in Europe. The Spanish, the Swedes, the Belgians, I'm not so sure of. The Spanish, in particular, I think could see the monarchy go tomorrow and not look back after a year.

But the end of the BRF would be a major story, indeed, and so far, they are getting away with it on the backs of tradition and identity.

Diana nearly brought about a constitutional crisis re the monarchy, but she was married to the Prince of Wales, not the sixth in line. I'm inclined to believe the BRF will let Harry and Meghan get away with just about anything because of that, as long as it isn't anything that brings them into public disrepute so badly that giving her the boot is the only way to repair the damage to the institution.

That's why I don't think there's any looming massive scandal out there. If there were, it would have been out here by now.

Today's Express has out DM'd the DM, with a story by Piers Morgan claiming the Duchess is a "slight social climber" who ghosted Morgan the moment she met Prince Harry, after months of chatting with him on social media.

For Americans, "slight" translates in this context, from Brit-Speak, not as "small of frame" but as "she's a bit of a social climber", and the "bit" in classic English understatement - he means she's totally a social climber.

https www express co uk/news/royal/1015444/ Meghan-Markle-latest-news-Piers-Morgan-Duchess-of-Sussex-today-Prince-Harry-meeting-video

Out of curiousity, what happens if William ascends to the throne when George is not of age yet? Will he get both the Duchy of Lancaster as the reigning monarch and the Duchy of Cornwall as George’s legal guardian?

If they have children, they'll either be homely or by some miracle gorgeous. Ususally mixed race kids are quite attractive.

Copycats are everywhere.

[QUOTE] R254 Out of curiousity, what happens if William ascends to the throne when George is not of age yet? Will he get both the Duchy of Lancaster as the reigning monarch and the Duchy of Cornwall as George’s legal guardian?

Yes, the Duchy of Cornwall reverts to the Crown if the heir is not of age.

Princess Elizabeth (HM Queen) was never Duchess of Cornwall and Prince Charles did not inherit the estate until he was 25. The convention is that 10% of the profits would have been invested on his behalf but it isn't fixed in law.

R254 - The revenues of the Duchy of Cornwall revert to the Crown if there is no male heir of age to inherit. The likelihood is that if by some chance William becomes King before George comes of age, stewardship of the Duchy will revert to the Crown until he does (and so will about £20 million annually).

Piers, as per usual, is fibbing a bit in the Express article. In an article in the DM, Piers said that while he was saying his goodbyes to Meghan during that fateful pub meeting, she was receiving texts from an ardent, new, suitor, who she made a point of mentioning.

That ardent, new, suitor was Harry, most probably, because he's notorious for stalking his new crushes via text. This would mean she'd already met Harry and I will bet $10 Piers knew all along that Meghan had met Harry and that's why he agreed to give up some of his precious time to meet a Z-lister in a pub - he wanted the story.

R258 - you just beat me to it.

Frankly, while there may be arguments for retaining the monarchy, there are no arguments as far as I am concerned for retaining the Duchy of Cornwall as every future Princes of Wales' birthright. It is unbelievably feudal particularly given the family's astronomical modern wealth.

R256 - Priyanka is allegedly a close friend of Sparkle's. JHC, Chopra is hopeless, doing a copycat photo like that. I also think Chopra is at least bi, if not full out lesbian.

R254 R260

The real shitstorm would be if Prince Charles predeceased The Queen as technically The Dukedom of Cornwall should pass to Prince Andrew Duke of York as he would be the oldest male child of the reigning monarch.

Would change the succession William would still be the next King if Charles were dead, he just wouldn't regain control of the Duchy until Andrew's death.

^^ Wouldn't not Would ^^

Thanks, R257 & R258

R262, that possibility never occurred to me. Huh. Is it wrong that I would enjoy that?

An anon on my favorite Tumblr blog has created a new expression "Meghan's Tiglish"

And Samantha is back! Comparing Meghan to Donnie Dump!

[quote] “Trump said he could shoot someone and not lose votes. The same mentality applies to my sister.”

R265 Probably wouldn't pass to Andrew though, HM Queen would most likely retain the Duchy until her death if Charles died before her.

Whoops - forgot link. JezeHell, but the author is allowed to view Samantha's private Twitter. According to this, Sam's Twitter is @SammyMarkle64

Sammy's a hoot - here's another quote in response to a Meghan fan telling Sam to go to her room:

[quote] Sammy replied, “I would tell you to go to your room, but I don’t like pointing in the direction of motels in a crack zone.”

@261 Priyanka? The Priyanka who allegedly had a string of affairs with married men and was run out of India for allegedly having an affair with Shahrukh Khan? Where allegedly everyone took his wife's side, and wouldn't work with her. So he used his contacts to get her on the books of CAA US, and she picked up Quantico. That Priyanka is a lesbian? OK.

You can be a lesbian and have power heterosexual sex, R269

You would think her sister would be a bit more humble seeing as she is a cripple but instead she chose to become bitter.

You have a chose in life. Happiness is a choice.

Sam is still bitter and angry she didn't become someone. Acting career? Nope. Writing career? Nope.

She is mad at her half sister who despite being at a disadvantage being mixed in America growing up in the 80s, made something of herself. Daddy did pay for Sam's education and upkeep but still she couldn't get her ass a steady job.

Called Doria "the maid" much like the meg haters do today. All the bitter frauhags see kinship in samantha. She gets their sympathy because she reminds them of themselves.

Ha. Stew in your bitterness, witches.

The title Duke of Cornwall is restricted to the heir apparent, but only if the heir apparent is the sovereign's eldest son.

The income from the Duchy goes to the sovereign if the heir apparent is a minor, but otherwise goes straight to the heir apparent regardless of whether he or she is Duke of Cornwall. If Charles predeceases the Queen, the title will cease to exist until the Queen's death, at which time George will inherit it, but the income will go to William as heir apparent.

So cripple must be humble????

You're a piece of shit R271 and not better than Samantha;

R262 - I don't think so. R267 is correct: If Charles predeceases the Queen, the Duchy of Cornwall legitimately belongs to the next Prince of Wales, which is William. The Duchy goes to the next male HEIR, not simply the the next eldest son.

The Duchy goes to the Heir, not simply the monarch's next boy. Andrew is too far down the line by now.

If Charles had died before he married and had a son, then Andy would have come in for it, and I don't doubt he's had the occasional daydream of what might have been IF . . .

R259 - Lighten up. Priyanka always struck me the way Sparkle did: hard as nails and incapable of anything resembling love except in any form that advantaged her further.

R271 - I think I hear them calling you back on Celebitchy.

God, you're boring.

Succession to the dukedoms of Cornwall and Rothesay, along with their subsidiary titles, is determined by act of parliament.

Prince of Wales and Earl of Chester, however, are in the gift of the sovereign, and would likely be granted to William not long after Charles's death.

R203 here R244 - they have, they do, certainly in my case. How would you know? I am a gay man. I have close male friends who are gay and others who are straight. Some of us ski, some of us surf. We often travel together on surfing and skiiing weekends and share houses (Air BNB etc). Last summer a group of us shared a house on the south coast of NSW in Australia to go surfing. Last weekend the same group shared a house at a skiing resort in the Australian Snowy Mountains. In both cases we needed to double up for beds and in both cases my best mate and I shared a bed. He’s straight. I’m gay. It was no big deal (apart from him stealing the blankets and complaining about my snoring) as we’ve done it often.

Detailed example but just because you live in a society where you can’t imagine a straight male being comfortable with sharing a bed with a gay man, don’t assume that your limited experience reflects reality elsewhere.

This thread is hilarious! Uptight people interpreting a bunch of pics of people based on their own narrow view of what’s “normal” between friends to convince themselves that someone who they will never meet is gay.

Is that validating for you?

I don't think MM measures up to Becky Sharp. Becky Sharp was highly intelligent and meticulous in pursuing her goals. She did all she could to fit in. I don't think she was narcissistic either; she came from a poor background and was determined to better her position, same as MM, but she wasn't seeking admiration.

I agree R279. Sparkles has it inculcated in her thick noggin that she should somehow be an object for adulation, plain as her nose.

R272 - Rothesay IS one of Charles's subsidiary titles technically, as is Cornwall, as Charles first and foremost is Prince of Wales: Charles, Prince of Wales, Earl of Chester, Duke of Cornwall, Duke of Rothesay, Earl of Carrick, Baron of Renfrew, Lord of the Isles and Prince and Great Steward of Scotland. They've used Cornwall a lot because of the resistance to giving Camilla her rightful title of Princess of Wales, which is who she really is.

The Duchy of Cornwall was established in the mid 14th century to ensure that the Heir has an independent income, and goes without any Act of Parliament at birth to the eldest male son of the monarch AND heir to the throne. The latter half of the clause is why Andrew can't get his hand on it even if Charles predeceases the Queen.

It is inherited by that male AT BIRTH and no Act of Parliament is needed.

"The Duchy of Cornwall (Cornish: Duketh Kernow) is one of two royal duchies in England, the other being the Duchy of Lancaster. The eldest son of the reigning British monarch inherits possession of the duchy and title of Duke of Cornwall AT BIRTH [caps mine] or when his parent succeeds to the throne, but may not sell assets for personal benefit and has limited rights and income as a minor. The current duke is Charles, Prince of Wales. If, and when, the current Prince of Wales accedes the throne, Prince William will become Duke of Cornwall."

"The income of the Duchy of Cornwall accrues to the Duke of Cornwall, who is the monarch's eldest son IF HEIR TO THE THRONE [again, caps mine] (and thus currently Charles, Prince of Wales). The income of the duchy is also used to cover the official expenditure of some members of the Duke's immediate family. Presently, the Duchess of Cornwall, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and the Duke and Duchess of Sussex all have their official expenses paid from Duchy income, assisted by Grants-in-aid from the Queen. If there is no duke (for example, if the monarch does not have any male children) the duchy income reverts to the monarch and the annual Sovereign Grant is reduced annually by the amount of the duchy's income."

Note the statement that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex have their official expenses paid from the Duchy income . . .

Which would mean, for example, any clothing required for foreign tours. Viz. to wit: Australia and environs.

Could we please keep the discussion on track? Now we have veered from who is gay to who inherits what. This is tedious.

The illustrious career of Bean:

[italic]Random Encounters[/italic] — Mindy, Laura's roommate

[quote]Kevin and Laura, each struggling to make it in Hollywood, bump into each other at a coffee shop. Days later their thoughts drift toward finding each other... without any common ground save for the coffee shop, will they succeed?

[italic]CSI: New York[/italic] — Veronica Perez, a lingerie-clad housekeeper and the main suspect in the murder of her boss, a wealthy businessman

[quote]During a Blue Train rave, a young girls dies among party goers when she starts bleeding from her eyes, nose, and mouth. The CSI's believe her to be a victim of a biological attack. The investigation is further complicated when it is revealed that Hawkes once knew the girl. Further up town, a rich playboy is found drowned in his indoor lap pool with his former maid as a suspect.

Her nose makes her look like an elf.

They should have used that pic @ r285 for the official engagement announcement.

It's hard to believe he loves her because he looked like he was headed for the firing squad at his wedding. His eyes were DEAD. He wiped his lips after she kissed him at polo. And they are never ever seen together or reported together. Only when it's mentioned - shit, how come these two are never at a restaurant, a park, a play, etc. - does Markle drop about five items about where she's been - pick one! Just like the media kept suggesting "houses" the queen must have given them. York House! Adelaide Cottage! Something built just for them! blah blah. Also, body language. Charles and Di were weirdly stilted with each other but she had kids that looked like Windsors (Damn it all, William ALMOST escaped looking like a Windsor, then the teeth got him). Even after they had kids Catherine would be papped a few times a year - usually on someone's mobile phone. One time in a hat shop. One time this year at Waitrose. And until KP protested, they started using long lenses to catch George in the park. Markle, who got herself clearly papped before she and Harry were "official", all dressed up in the city in a Barbour, Hunter Wellingtons, the logo of her bag facing the camera and the darling and nicely curated contents of her bag visible. Now she's never papped. Not in the "Cotswolds." Not in London.

I guess they just like to stay in and be cozy. Roasting a chicken - or is it the vegan dishes she's persuaded Harry to try? Or she's too busy sitting at HM's knee being besties. Or making PC laugh as she's now his fave daughter in law. She's never getting cozy with other duchesses - Catherine and Camilla. They're just jealous she's now the favorite of everyone in the family. All the men, plus queenie. Oh yeah, Eugenie is just jealous too.

Well, as we are ordered to get back on track - any predictions for Sparkle's ensemble at Yuge's wedding?

Will it be autumnal - will she resurrect the green Cruella de Ville outfit she wore to Prince Louis's christening in July (complete with matching leather gloves)?

What will she do to "stand out"?

Will she wear something she's worn before (such as one of the outfits she wore in Dublin - she could add a hat to that grey Givenchy drape dress and dig out that same bra)?

Yuge's wedding is on a Friday morning in October, so long garden dresses seem unlikely.

That leaves coat-dresses, elegant suits . . .

After today's DM article talking about how she shuns British fashion . . . perhaps she'll dig out the blush Goat dress from Charles's garden party and go unseasonal but won't have to buy British, and after all, she is heading Down under quite soon after, where it will be spring.

Oh my God: do you think she'll actually wear black?!

Some of you haven't been to LA in a while. Doria's neighborhood in Crenshaw gentrified over a decade ago.

Boyle Height is gentrifying. Highland Park and Echo Park have gentrified. When I was growing up in LA, these neighborhoods were pretty sketchy. Now 2 bedroom bungalows are $700,000 +

Average home price in Crenshaw is $800,000 according to Zillow.

It's roles like that that helped Daddy's Buckaroo sock away over 5 million dollars of her very own that she brought into the marriage. All hers. Not only was she more highly paid on Suits than Jon Hamm was on Mad Men, but she had no agent fees, stylist fees, publicist fees, management fees, insurance, gym membership, utility bills, food bills, clothing and personal maintenance costs, car payment, gas, travel expenses or taxes.

Doria was there before it gentrified though. And I think I read one of her parents got it for her.

Another reason it's difficult to believe is Meghan is a skinny brunette with no tits. Harry has historically liked blondes with something to grab hold of.

Now look at William. Despite the insistence of some Kate haters that he "really" wanted Isabella Anstruther Calthorpe, a very Fox News looking (or Mary Hart looking if you go back that far) blonde, his close female friends and dating history mostly shows brunettes. It's not "confirmed" he ever dated Jecca Craig, but rumored that she was his first love. She's a lean, athletic, long-haired brunette. He definitely dated Arabella Musgrove - a lean, athletic, long haired brunette. All tall-ish.

My personal theory is Harry is at the very least, bi, that sex is sex to him, not intimacy, and he'll fuck anything or anyone once, so if a girl from Suits wants to hop into the sack with him, sure, it's something different! SHE's something different. But the rumors about Britney Spears and Margot Robbie sound more up his alley, and I don't believe he fell in love with Markle. Something else is going on but we'll probably never find out. Sunk cost fallacy will see to that.

R289, for a woman whose excuse for (pretending to) spend thousands of pounds on clothing is she's "building her royal wardrobe", Meghan doesn't recycle much. And the wife of the sixth in line doesn't actually need a major royal wardrobe any more than Anthony Armstrong Jones needed a kit the equivalent of what hung in Prince Phillip's closet. So, we have to go with she'll be inappropriate at Eugenie's wedding. I vote for black myself, which her stans will insist is navy. She'll be sleeveless. Her shoes will have bling in the daytime, and be stripper pole ready. Tendrils will be on point. She might try to pull of one of Victoria Beckham's inexplicable royal wedding ensembles - those things she wears that look like robes. She'll wave to the assembled populace as if they were there for her. She'll clutch her hand to her chest and tilt her head to the side because she is so HAPPY for Eugenie on this day, because they have grown so close.

OT - I remember a long time ago someone saying Angelina Jolie was caught talking to herself in public a number of times. And I know Jolie has done that thing where she reacts and acts as if she's part of a conversation when nobody is talking to her. And I now recall reading that Meghan was heard talking to herself back "stage" at Invictus - her red or maroon leather jacket appearance.

Because MM will desperately want to attract attention to her, you can be sure whatever she wears will be:

1. Funereal Dark

2. Wildly inappropriate

3. Won't fit

attract attention to *herself*

Or something like this, if fashion guru Jessica Mulroney has any say.

[quote]Yuge's wedding is on a Friday morning in October

Then only a white Roland Mouret jumpsuit will do.

And she'll walk in backwards.

MM's fashion palette runs from military green to prison grey and black, r298.

It's someone else's wedding and it's in October, r300. Time for stark white.

They say even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. So I am making the insane prediction that she gets it right for once. She's due.

What does " Sunk cost fallacy will see to that" mean exactly, r293?

Few people had any idea who Sparkle was, why on earth would it have been --out there-- that her mom was a dyke? Not sure there are tons of lesbians of color in her age range that post here, if there were they might run in her circles and have some info.

The sunk cost fallacy comes from economic theory, I believe: A rational decision is based only on potential future costs, rather than past costs (money/resources/time which can never be recovered). Yet we often make emotional decisions based on past costs.

In Harry's case, this would look like: "I've sacrificed too much for this relationship to let it go (no matter how miserable it will make me for the rest of my life)."

I am making a prediction.

At Eugenie's wedding, the cameras WILL capture the curtsy / bow shot.

You know, the shot, that was really there at the Sparkle & Haz wedding, but from above, because yes, yes, it really was photographed, of course it was, just because you didn't see it doesn't mean anything at all. It was just a mistake by the video guys, you know, of course, that was it.

Continuing on with our retrospective of greatness, a starring role in a Hallmark movie!

[italic]When Sparks Fly[/italic] — Amy Peterson, a Chicago journalist who thinks she has successfully buried her small-town upbringing is forced to return for a Fourth of July story and, well, it's a Hallmark movie....you bitches know the rest.

Now the African-American's family side of MM are getting in on the act. Some had spoken to the press before the wedding - her mother's brother and her step-grandmother, but now more of her mom's relatives want in on the famewhoring.

[quote]Meghan Markle's Georgia Relatives Hope She'll Come to Their Family Reunion

I think she’ll go with an understated Lacroix because such a humanitarian would never want to upstage the bride.

R292 Doria inherited the house she still lives in when her dad died.

Wow. MM looks bad. Chelsy Davy needs a nose job.

Looks bad in R307

For all those who think rumors about Harry are new - think again. He has run through the pool of UK versions of Swift, from Flack to Goulding to Waterhouse. Watterhouse may sound familiar from her stints bearding for Harry Styles and Bradley Cooper. He runs with his die hard pussy posse, much like Leo. Is the picture a bit clearer now?

Not every Windsor is rumored to be gay on Twitter - Wills is not, for example. Harry seems happiest with Adam and Tom. Adam rarely beards either and Tom recently married himself. If there is a contract, she is clearly trying to make the most of her time before it expires. She does not want to develop relationships with his family or friends, unless it may benefit her. She does not want to blend in, she wants to raise her profile. Some of the photos with Mulroney do make one go hmmm...and Mulroney is indisputably a beard herself.

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Angelina Jolie is another lesbian who has fucked men to advance, or for kicks, or whatever. Remember sexuality can be a spectrum. But she is definitely more gay than straight.

[italic]Castle[/italic] — Charlotte "Sleeping Beauty" Boyd, a murderess who injects her victims with a heart-stopping drug and then dresses them as fairy-tale characters. She attempts to evade detection by posing as one of the victims but, in a twist foreshadowing her present-day fashion fuckery, she's outed by a poorly tied bow.

[quote]However, Castle was able to deduce that Charlotte was responsible for noticing the position of the bows on the costume each of the victims was wearing; her bow didn't match the others as it was at a different angle.

[quote]As uniform officers arrived to arrest her, Charlotte was baffled that the bows were what gave her away.

R313 that's how I always see it. And yes, I get that gay men and straight men can hang, but the "fun" pictures of Harry tonguing a friend's nipple and tweaking it, combined with photos of him hanging on some guy, have an intimacy vibe that goes beyond a bunch of frat boy types goofing around or playing it up for the camera. In my humble opinion. I am not in a position to hear rumors about him, but there's that vibe from him that is nonexistent from William. I would completely believe that Mulroney and Markle are together, and I'd also believe Pryanka is gay. If you want to get somewhere in Hwood and it's basically on your looks, and you're female, you'll probably fuck men. Same with Bollywood I imagine.

If this is a contract with Megala, Harry has really stepped in it. The engagement interview was shifty, but one thing I did get from it was Harry felt that Meghan would be fantastic at the job. He would at least have an official partner who impressed people, who might put the all-perfect Kate in the shade. Sure he loves Kate like a sister, but he is also competitive with William, and I think he'd like to steal their thunder or imagines he does already. So he thought she'd impress. But instead, she's terrible. In early appearances, when she walked ahead of him, or walked away from the group she was meant to be talking to, or didn't shut up, and just waved her hands around, or, my favorite, when she "lets" him go first, using a demeanor that for all the world suggests she's his mommy letting him try something for the first time, Harry would correct her, signal her, be like "Ooops, Meg, over here!" Now he knows better. She's not interested in the job. She's not interested in protocol. She wants it to be about her, always, and everyone can see it, and he knows they can. He may dress carelessly at times, but he has to know she dresses bizarrely, and is very strange. Differently than the carelessly bohemian style of Chelsea Davey or the more fey-like bohemian style of Cressida. Just weird. So instead of parading around a Duchess bot who makes him look great, he's got an embarrassment who thinks she's the bees knees.

One Harry story that made me curious was some article going through all of his hook-ups. Not all of them ended in sex - some was groping, a proposition, a pass, some of the women weren't keen on it, but it was like he was knocking down the numbers and intentionally trying to get a reputation versus really into getting laid. And some of the ladies were really rough. I mean, the general outline is what we think of as his type, but rough. There was one hook up in Vegas where apparently they spent 30 minutes rolling around doing not much. Now ok, a prince doesn't want to get an STD (bet he has one already) from a stranger, and definitely doesn't want to knock one up, but he didn't even get blown, nor did he do her the honors, and it basically sounds like a lot of just rolling around, not even heavy making out. Of course both were very drunk, but I was left with the same feeling you get when you read about Priscilla Presley in bed with Elvis and he never quite leaves first base. And isn't a fan of first base anyway.

I don’t think a drunken non-sex fumble with a woman in Vegas is evidence of homosexuality.

Well, most humans fall prey to the sunk cost fallacy, I'm no exception. I've never sunk YEARS, but I've sunk hours, wished I'd never started or tried, but continue to hang in there to get there (result, destination, whatever) because I've spent so much time. But at least at the end I get the thing, arrive, whatever, even if it's definitely not worth it and if I had to do it over, I wouldn't. It just cost way more than I thought.

Harry's not getting a Duchess out of this that impresses anybody, let alone eclipses Kate. In fact, she's a joke. I read about a Meghan critic who showed her mom the pic of Markle sashaying out of Prince Charles' garden party. The mom was a Markle fan and hopefully asked, "Is that a parody?" and was crushed to be told, nope, Markle actually catwalked out of there so her nonexistent ass would sway going up center stairs. I don't think this union will produce children - one of them can't have any - maybe both. Is he trying to outlast something, or last UNTIL something? He can't see this til the rest of his life.

I always figured at some point Brad Pitt did whatever he wanted (excuse me - had an open relationship) and figured it was all the same to him, and when the timing was right, he'd make his split from Angie official. The timing was right in 2014, when they got "married". So at least he moved on in some way, even if it wasn't official. Don't know what Harry's exit plan may be.

No, R319 and what great reading comprehension you have. Hitting on everything that moves even with no result CAN be. You've heard of Cassanova syndrome and homosexuality, right?

Isn't one of Harry's best friends a gay porn star and is that also one of those things that just show what a great open minded fellow he is?

You made me laugh R301.

R259 OR Meghan was making herself seem in demand when she wasn't. Or she was hinting about a relationship with Harry when there wasn't one. She got herself into his circle, she knew his methods, so why not hint someone is texting her and being oh so persistent? Boosts her ego and vanity too.

Wedding predictions - I think it will be a close race as to whose wedding get-up will be the most inappropriate - the bride with her gigantic boobs, her dopey sister or her clueless mother, or newcomer Sussex. It promises to be an exciting race to the bottom.

Kate of course will be immaculate in an elegant suit or coat dress, with a gorgeous hat. I'm betting it will be a medium blue-grey. Princess Charlotte will once again steal the show.

Fergie looked great at Harry's wedding, so I expect she will look wonderful when she is mother of the bride.

Both Beatrice and Eugenie can look good with the right look, so I expect they too will look great at Eugenie's wedding.

Sparkle will, as usual, be a disaster.

Yes, the Yorks can look okay, but mostly they don't. Fergie was very much on sufferance at Harry's wedding, so I'm sure she took care to get sound advice on looking appropriate. This time she's the MotB, so it's her turn to shine. God help us if Eugie chooses a strapless number.

R327 A strapless wedding dress would require some sort of hidden hydraulic system to hoist up her bosom.

R326, didn’t she? And Fergie is the last person I’d expect to look fantastic! But she did.

There’s hope for Markle yet. Sometimes she has a good idea/look, but gets at least one thing wrong. Someday she might hit every point.

Fergie's problem is she got / get's bad advice. People tell her she looks wonderful but she really doesn't.

R301 Especially if a Cambridge kid is really in the wedding party. It's not her event so people will be focused on the bride and not her . So I'll go with something inappropriate for a church wedding , going for a Pippa moment only to look like a Mulroney or something off shoulder , not shoulder free , just enough to get people talking .

Harry has quite the jokester circle.

Looking at the women that Wills dated, the list is not heavy on known beards or suspected to be lesbian pop stars, unlike Harry. His buddy Adam is only known for dating one woman, a lesbian pop singer, for a whopping 6 months, several years ago. His gay porn star friend is in the royal guard, Charles has also been widely rumored for romps with the help (particularly a gay valet who later died of AIDS). Stories were that either Diana or Anne walked in on them.

For a romance OR a fauxmance, MeAgain was a poor choice.

Even those outside his closest circle joke about his sexuality, deflected by his dating of Suits actress Megs, of course. This anecdote ran widely.

For the life of me, I don't see what is so hard about dressing appropriately and attractively on the kind of budget the royals have. I think I could do it with my eyes closed, without even needing high fashion designers except for gala evening wear. If I ever needed advice, I am sure the personal shopper at Harvey Nichols would send me out the door looking great.

She does not WANT TO is where the problem starts. For starters, she wants to stand out visually, she also wants to signal being sexy, even if her bra hangs out.

There's nothing sexy about Megs.Her looks are very bland and she can't help that but with decent clothing,good make up and hair almost anyone can look nice.

She disagrees, R336, that is the card she plays, or tries to play, repeatedly. Hence the cough, accidental, cough, flashing at the wedding or the far too short dress at the theater.

For Eugie's wedding I am going with Sparkle wears a bateau number in creme. She think boatnecks are her signature and in a move she believes will be subtle but effective, it will call to mind her own wedding earlier in the year and therefore deflect attention back to herself.

But she'll wear her hair down so it won't be too obvs (in her mind at least) that is what she is doing.

R337 I'll give her a pass for the "short dress".People don't like to hear it but Kate and Diana both wore even shorter dresses.It's a bit silly to expect a 30 something to have the same hemline as a 93 year-old.

I think it's worth keeping in mind that it seems that Meghan has been groomed to be in the public spotlight from a young age. Thinking of other 'stage parents', her interactions with her father at this point of time make perfect sense (think 'Gypsy'). Why else would she already have made an appearance on Nickelodeon at the age of 11?

No, Her father didn't push her to be an actress Come on....

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Further to comments above, I am expecting Yuge to come down the aisle in Total Merengue Mode - huge skirt, fitted low-cut bodice, sweetheart neckline - and, gawd 'elp us, puffed sleeves with lace cuffs sprinkled with Swarovski crystals. Veil will also have glitter on it and will most definitely NOT be the graceful one that Kate wore, Yuge is too short for that. Tiara, naturally, HM will lend her something nice or Fergie will give her the tiara she got as a wedding present (the latter is my bet).

My only doubt is the train: she has to have one, but it it's too long she'll look like a Queen Ant about to lose her wings as she sets about laying eggs in the new nest.

If Sparkle would just show up in a beautifully tailored coat-dress in a soft pale blue with a matching hat, some pearls, matching gloves and black suede pumps with matching clutch . . . oh wait: that would be Kate.

Really, Sparkle is capable of anything. It could go so many ways.

R338, I think you’re on it.

What kind of hat?

I’m rooting for her to go tribal. Natural hair, kente cloth, big earrings. What could anyone say? It’d be racist. She has the balls. When she’s ready to burn that bridge, I hope she does.

It’s not too late, Yuge. Call me!

Yes, R347, I can just see Yuge in that SlutsRUs Mulroney wedding gown. And once seen, never unseen thereafter.

R344 If she was dressing like Kate,people would say she's copying Kate,she's jealous of her style etc.Actually I like that her style is different than Kate's.She just needs more appropriate outfits and better tailoring.Also fix that hair Megs.

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R345 - I agree, R338 has it nailed. Hat - angled saucer.

R346 - the problem with your hope she'll go tribal is that that isn't the tribe she feels she belongs to.

"The family she never had" is exactly the family she always wanted to have, and she'll be damned if her hair and luxury brand clothes and religion are going to say anything else . . .

I think Harry is particularly close to Eugenie and Beatrice.

Do you think he would stop Sparkle from wearing something inappropriate and attention seeking to Eugenie's wedding?

R353 - I don't think Harry could stop Sparkle from running Kate down with that Jaguar.

She'll wear what she pleases and Harry will meekly follow her into the church.

I wonder if Harry and William will be groomsmen, given she is their first cousin and the groom would probably at least consider the gesture.

Then Sparkle has to walk in alone . . .

[quote] Didn't I read that Princess Mary of Denmark will not be making the trip to Australia, but her husband, Prince Frederick, will?

[quote] According to that matchless reporter of all things royal, HOLA, both Mary and Frederik will be attending the IG in Australia. Of course, it doesn't say they will be attending on exactly the same day as the Sussexes.

No.

Crown Princess Mary of Denmark will not be attending the Invictus games in Sydney. Only her husband, Crown Prince Frederick will attend.

I posted this on the will Sparkle become Fergie thread? and now the DM has it up:

Meg sent out an official thank-you to the devotees who'd sent her birthday wishes, and on Sparkle's thank you (in which she refers to herself as "Her Royal Highness") is a picture of her greeting fans and all you can see of Harry is a bit of ginger hair- he's completely obscured by her.

Mary of Denmark is apparently another scheming grifter who married a dim, compliant, entitled man and who spends a fortune on clothes, but Mary does tends to look better in her $10 K outfits than Our Sparks.

R356 Do you have a link? I can't find it.

I don't think meghan is a becky sharp. Honestly, that title suits kate more.

Becky was always in close proximity to the upperclass, just like kate. She was so close she could taste it but unlike becky, kate had an even thirstier mother who made sure her daughters socialised with the titled upper crust.

She made friends from the aristocrats. Only invited titled girls to her birthday party etc when she was older she dated within that set. I don't think the aim was necessarily a prince but definitely a would be duke or lord something.

Pippa tried desperately to land an aristo. Tried with that percy guy. Rumor is his parents didn't approve. She had to settle for an ugly rich guy with a bought title lol hey, that's better than nothing. If she wasn't connected to the rf she wouldn't get a monied man ugly or not. Talk about looking like wallis. Pippa is her double.

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Thanks r359 Here is a less evil link and no video

[italic]Knight Rider[/italic] — Annie Ortiz, a soldier who's so determined to find her drill sergeant's killer that she infiltrates an underground fight club.

The articles on Meghan's self-reverential birthday thank you card, like the insanely sycophantic one at R360, just proves what a House of Cards the whole idea of royalty is: This woman, a somewhat-failed, tacky, hustler, grasping desperately for status in the small pond of Toronto, is now "Her Royal Highness" the "Duchess of Sussex" solely because of whose dick is stuck inside her.

For someone who got her title because of the dick stuck inside her, Megs can't even include him in the picture!

R345 I am going with a headpiece similar to what Posh wore in May, because veil.

I don't see Kate as a Becky Sharp at all. If Kate hadn't married Wills, she would have married a perfectly nice, rich upper middle class guy, had three kids, lived in the country and probably had a much happier life than she has now, despite not being married to the second in line for the throne. Becky was naturally talented; at singing, piano, drama, painting, languages, as well as being tireless in everything she did. Kate has no talent for anything apparently and does not use her position to make contacts or network.

R356 - In truth, I doubt any commoner who marries these kinds of men is NOT marrying them for the lifestyle, the privilege, etc. That said, Mary came from a stable middle-class family, married the next Danish King not the sixth in line whilst pretending he is the next King, has watched her Ps and Qs, had to learn fluent Danish, has worked extremely hard (in fact, harder than her husband by most accounts). And, as you point out, her taste in clothes is far better. And Queen Margrethe is said to be very pleased with the job Mary has done, her parenting skills, and keeping Fred on course.

A bit of research turned up that royalty's winner in the Hey Big Spender race is actually Rania of Jordan - whose sumptuous designer wardrobe is supported by the taxes of what is a poor, Third World country. It's one thing for the Danes to keep their Crown Princess in Laboutin heels, but the dirt poor peasants of Jordan keeping Rania in same, despite King Abdullah's enormous personal wealth, is testament to how stupid most people really are.

It makes you understand why the BRF is still around. If it weren't for Putin, for all we know the Romanovs would have been back by now.

I didn't know nor care about Mary of Denmark, but those gossipy harridans at RD managed to convince me that Mary's just a way more effective, cunning and successful con artist than Meghan.

Also, the hilarious Bogan in Denmark blog dedicated to exposing Mary - Mary is a piece of work, who makes Meghan look like the goofy, not-very-smart, unbelievably lucky rank amateur that she is.

Kate's ascent was definitely masterminded by her mother, but I think that Kate herself has a bit of drive in her and would have aimed for an aristocrat, not just for the upper-middle-class lady of leisure, regardless of her mother's schemes.

Pippa has a lot of drive and was aiming very high - she cultivated the top of the heap aristocrats from the time she was in high school, but sadly, they saw through her, and she was stuck marrying an odd-looking arriviste, much like herself.

R358 - James Matthews doesn't have any title yet, but barring accidents, he will eventually succeed to the title of a Scottish feudal title, Laird of Glen Affric. It's not Duchess of Northumberland (the title to which George Percy was heir), but still, considering Pips did all right and Carole can't complain about what I believe in another age would have been called "placing" her daughters successfully.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Northumberlands weren't thrilled with Pippa as George Percy's prospective future Duchess, but in fact it was the mother of another of her former boyfriends, Alex Loudon, who made the remarks about Pippa not quite being "wife material". The Loudons are quite grand in their own right and rumoured to have very old-fashioned values.

Say, isn't Pips due to pop any moment?

R367 - I wouldn't take the word of RD on Mary of Denmark too seriously. If Mary found a cure for cancer and gave it away free on street corners, they'd accuse her of trying to draw attention to herself. They clearly consider her to be the Spawn of Satan and have accused her of everything from having caused autism in her first child (he's a perfectly normal boy), to abusing the first little girl (absurd and, in fact, Princess Isabella has a snappy personality not unlike Princess Charlotte's), to destroying the Danish monarchy (it's clearly still there). She comes out regularly at the top of the royal popularity polls, and is viewed as being hard-working and grateful for her privileges. Frederik is no bed of roses, either.

I think it very likely true that Mary (like so many commoners before and after her) was fiercely interested in what a royal prince had to bestow.

But she hasn't given herself the airs Sparkle has, she is the future Queen Consort of Denmark and has comported herself accordingly, and is the mother of the future King Christian X.

And she lived a decent middle-class working woman's life before meeting and marrying Frederik. Her father was a maths professor at the university level, not a psychotic narcissist who lost no time embarrassing his daughter before her new in laws.

I've worked with too many extremely successful con artists and narcissists to not be able to spot one. So, Royal Dish aside, after even a brief exposure to her history, it's fairly clear that Mary is both.

In fact, if I cared at all about Denmark, I would be gleefully contributing to threads about Mary, because she's vastly more irritating than Meghan, no mean feat.

I don't know anything about Mary, but as per the post above, she is doing a good job and conducts herself well, as well as raising her four children. What more do you expect of her?

Regarding non-aristocratic strivers who marry into royal families, what is really so wrong with that? JFK jr would still be desirable no matter whose son he was, but would Harry or Frederik? Everyone brings something to the table; these men brought their royal titles and all that comes with it.

R370, really? I don’t know anything about her, but now I want to!

*trots off to Goofle*

Maybe make a thread about her? I can’t be the only one.

R370 - well, to each his own, as they say. Mary learned fluent Danish, conducts herself well, seems to be a good mother . . . did she zero in on Frederik for reasons similar to why Meghan Markle zeroed in on Harry? Undoubtedly.

But she also doesn't try to upstage her husband, her clothing and behaviour are always appropriate, her children seem attractive and well brought up, and the Danes seem to like her a good deal more than the British like Meghan Markle. Mary seems to be doing her job and doing it well. And her immediate family have kept themselves discreetly out of the picture. I fail to see how this compares with a divorced C-list American actress whose naked ambition has only ever to be an A-Lister and who has disdained to support national fashion industry and who wouldn't let her sleazy crazy father meet her intended mark .

Nor did Mary present herself as some transformative feminist activist whilst taking the perks of the least democratic, male-centric social system on the planet.

Sorry - I think the Danes got much the better deal.

R361 Four Dollar Baby.

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^^^ I guess Guy was leaking like a sieve.

R375 - The heart bleeds for the poor thing.

This reeks of PEOPLE trying to turn on their heads the stories of "ghosting" that surround Sparkle together with the interesting absence of evidence of any long-time friends, close family relationships, or new relationships amongst Harry's circle except for his father and stepmother.

Her "select circle of friends" really amounts to Jessica Mulroney and the less looming presence of Benita Litt - the rest of the seats were filled in at the wedding by her Suits co-stars.

Obviously, Meghan and her PR saw a hole they needed to plug.

R350 She looks like Jazz Jennings in that pic.

Oh, that story at R375 is rich.

Sparkle, who has from the beginning of her association with Harry, proven that she herself is not trustworthy, is supposed to be worried about who SHE can trust???

This shit is hilarious.

Her pr must think they are cunning with this transparent deflection tactic. Point the finger of blame on others for the very sins of their client. (Sugars brace yourself for the residual rush...)

Yep, you losers, you MADE me cut you off. It's all YOUR fault!

[quote]So incredibly enough, walking by @kensingtonroyal -we spotted this beautiful, woman with a familiar air”outside the entrance to the private residence where Harry& Meghan live . MEGHAN!? her dog was doing his business. She couldn’t have been sweeter. #princessespickuppooptoo

Royal commentator Omid Scobie has already tweeted that this photo is not MM.

So, R382, which dog? Not the dead Guy, of course, or the abandoned Bogart. This new one better sleep with one eye open.

The legs look too big and they’re bending forward, not back, but I enjoy the drama a new dog photo adds to the mix.

Only a photo of a dog, though; real ones should be kept far, far away from her.

R128, what you say makes the most sense. This is too weird for "love." As soon as Harry made his announcement to call off the media dogs (who weren't actually dogging Meghan nor did many know who she was), it was over. I myself thought he would never have released that unless he intended to marry her. My primary question is, how did he get to that point? I just don't believe that at the time of the statement he was whatever the vagina version of dick-matized may be. He wasn't in love. I suspect that he didn't recognize the commitment it represented, and was simply show boating. Then Meghan went to Vanity Fair, with the "Harry's Girl" cover story, doing that totally without any palace approval, and I guess he felt he was checkmated. And maybe that's really the root of the stories that originally they were only meant to be engaged, not married. That they agreed to become engaged, thus covering his ass, and then the plan was SHE would diplomatically release a statement ending the engagement cause she missed the USA, whatever. But she changed her mind, and he was back to square one. The engagement only story explains all the official appearances she was rushed into - she wanted that star platform as part of the deal. But perhaps she got neither the money nor opportunity she foresaw out of it and wanted a longer gig.

It would explain the obviously thrown together wedding, Meghan calling up some of the musicians only a couple of weeks before, the florist with apparently little budget gathering stuff from the Windsor Palace gardens - oh, excuse me, "sourcing", and the complete lack of detail from clothes to everything else that shows planning from November to April.

But this is not something I can ever, EVER see happening to William. Or anyone else in the BRF. So I'd really like to know how it happened, how Harry was played. He is truly a one of a kind dimwit, Dunning-Kruger in action on every single point. Even the one thing he thought he might salvage - that she would be good at the job - has become a mockery.

R338, plus, her bateau necklines are often ever so slightly off the shoulder. Subtly "uncovered" so we "never lose that sexiness."

R386, I think that is preposterous. He married MM for all the usual reasons - he thought it was time, she really wanted it, the sex was hot, he thought it would work, and he could do something cool and original and at the same time give the royal finger to the RF who had killed his mother.

PH had no trouble breaking up with his other gfs. If he wanted out, he could easily have extricated himself

R388 - I have to agree with your position. This "it was only supposed to be an engagement and then she went rogue" theory is just out there. The BRF and MI6 could have either bought her off or threatened her with stuff THEY had on HER.

Harry married the way lots of guys marry who've had a succession of failed relationships and are over 30, with friends already having kids, get attracted by something novel and appealing, and decide to go for it. He probably thought it would be amusing, and he knew as well as anyone else that as sixth in line, he'd get away with it.

The problem is, what happens when the amusement wears off and she starts to be a pain in the arse.

R347, Yuge would have to get the girlfriend playing with and holding her tits in the pool to do it again, this time walking backwards up the church aisle. Girls need the support of their friends, for their tattas esp!

Must be why they rubbed Guy out, he was leaking to Lainey, lol.

Every time I see that engagement dress the top instantly reminds me of a costume for the circus or perhaps a show in Vegas. Just astonishing...and a harbinger of poorly chosen frocks to come...

When do you think Markle might engage in some humanitarian work, as that appears to have been something that drew Harry to her?

R388 I don’t know how to break it to you but Di was killed by a drunk driver employed by her shady coke head boyfriend’s dad. A lot less soap-drama than your imaginary scenario but there it is, the truth is often mundane.

On the DM, UK posters have begun calling her Duch@$$ and MeGain. Her husband is referred to as Prince Cuck.

Guess they call them as they see them.

Her increasingly desperate and implausible PR is having the opposite effect, sad.

From the planted piece at the DM.

"she's been careful to ensure her star power doesn't eclipse her husband."

He should have left her holding the suitcase on the game show.

To the poster who asked when she might do humanitarian work - that was all set up by a specialized PR firm to raise her profile. It is not clear that she still retains them, so perhaps never?

R375, what is that article trying to say? That her “Suits” friends aren’t trustworthy? They wouldn’t take her calls?

Oh phooey. Not everyone believes that nonsense.

Yeah, it's not humanitarian "work", it's a humanitarian "event" to "raise awareness" and you have to get yourself a high enough profile or lobby the firm's that place celebs in order to get that gig. And it IS a gig, obviously. It's about "I am so famous that my mere presence can cast light upon a problem and point towards improvement." The sooner this goes away as a thing, the better. It's been a thing since fucking 9/11.

I read tumblr, and while a lot of it is nuts, it is true that when tumblr becomes preoccupied with a particular Megala point, here comes an article trying to get ahead of it. It's been pointed out that Catherine Middleton has her family and a circle of close friends to rely upon, and Meghan has zippo save for her fellow brothel-ites, whoremasters, grifters, etc. (Your Priyankas, Jessicas, Markuses.) So the reason Meghan doesn't have friends isn't because she dumped them, it's because the poor dear doesn't know who to trust. Stories that they "have a place in the Cotswalds" (variously rented or bestowed upon them by the queen depending on the day's spin) came up when it was noticed she and Kate Middleton departed Wimbledon in different cars and Scobie said that's because Meghan was headed to the region where Soho house is (I forgot that region or I'd just say it and not say the Soho house region). And also because on occasion when Meghan and Harry make an appearance together they sometimes behave as if they just joined up five minutes before entering the space. Bottom line, Meghan is reactive and tries to "turn it around" on any negative story that comes up about her. And she gets this by following social media talk about her.

I love that article. It's all about how the only reason she doesn't wipe the floor with Harry, star-wise, is via her own efforts. She is sacrificing. Because SHE's the star. I posted the other day that when she lets him go ahead of her, she does it like a mommy letting sonny boy try it by himself. And the back stroking is so incredibly controlling, not necessarily, IMO, of Harry, but of signaling to the cameras. She thinks it looks hot and the media goes along.

R394, it's the same kind of grandiose PR Angelina Jolie tried for years. It would be self-aggrandizing, self-serving, trying to cover every base. I am powerful AND humble incredibly in demand but focused on my children, I have to balance SOOOO much, including Brad's incredible need for me and dependance upon me. It went on for years, even when it got to be a joke. Only when they split did it fall apart - otherwise the media went along with her. I guess narcissists all want to project the same image - they are EVERYTHING.

It reads like a parody. Harry looks miserable.

Prince Cuck and her black lace bra hanging out in the CHURCHYARD while she grinned smugly directly into her paid camera. Can you imagine the SHIT his friends are giving him?! None of the wives will want to hang out with her. She wants to fancy herself Jolie but Deal or No Deal is not exactly Tomb Raider or Girl Interrupted.

Would not have paid much attention to the upcoming wedding but will take a peak just to see the spectacle of MeFirst.

Harry will ruin his life by having children with this woman. It is a trainwreck so far. Her PR follies are only making her a bigger laughingstock.

She was a fool to alienate Catherine, who Harry is very fond of.

She actually looks better here than she has lately, lol.

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R405 Her mustache found its light.

R404 Shriek! The eyebrows...

Is it just me, or has this thread become repetitive and boring?

Not you, r410.

This is really reaching bottom of the barrel, WTF levels.

I remember around the time of Pippa’s wedding, back when DL still loved to hate on Kate, people were saying Pippa got a much bigger prize than Catherine - a billionaire without any public scrutiny attached. Now apparently she had to settle?

Thank you for that witty and valuable contribution, R410. Post something interesting or move along.

Our Sparkle, a one woman glam squad!

And a piss poor one at that.

Well, I know whose life I'd rather have - Pippa's. Married to a billionaire, her time is her own, no one telling her what to do or wear, and minimal scrutiny or judgement. Poor Meg has all of the negatives of Kate's life and relatively few of the benefits.

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James Matthews is not a billionaire lol not even close.

In other news, wills off to Africa on a solo trip, it was not scheduled or planned. one of the countries he is visiting is kenya....and we all know who is in kenya. Of course he will go to see jecca! He missed his kids first easter to go see jecca.

What is “his kids first easter”? How did George and Charlotte manage to have a first easter at the same time despite being three years apart? And what is the meaning of easter for a kid who’s less than twelve months old?

When is the wedding?

R417 that's odd. He doesn't look like a newly released prisoner who is desperately seeking refuge.

And do my eyes deceive me or is that a smile I see? He looks, dare I say it?

Happy.

Almost like he is in love or something and can't hide it.

Happy home, happy husband.

Whether you agree or not, the papers made a big deal about william jetting off to go to jeccas wedding instead of spending time with his family on George's first easter. People thought it was bizarre and caused an embarrassment for kate.

It was a big deal at the time.

[quote]Thank you for that witty and valuable contribution, [R410]. Post something interesting or move along.

Why did you ever think it was an attempt at "wit" when it was simply a dry and perfunctory observation?

Meghan's nips love you, too, R414. I hope it's "interesting" enough for you.

Besos y abrasos...

^abrazos!

I do hope we aren't going to have to wait until Yuge's wedding for Sparkle's next outfit.

Wills' blushing bride is still on maternity leave and is home with two kids under 5 and one under five months old - she strikes me as a very hands-on Mum so heading off to Africa right now wouldn't be her m.o. Royal "work" will start up in earnest again in October (September for the drones like the Wessexes, Anne, the Kents and the Gloucesters).

MeAgain was rushed into all those engagements (which really amounted to a dozen or so over the six-seven months before the wedding) because she had to be introduced to the British public, so dutiful stops in England, Wales, Scotland, and NI. Then a couple of memorials in London and Manchester, a couple evening gigs, Christmas at Sandringham . . . and that was it. Kate, by contrast, had been a known quantity to the British for nearly a decade and as standard issue Home Counties girl, she hardly needed framing.

Meanwhile, the CB sugars claiming that Meghan is now the Queen's bestie and her very favourite granddaughter-in-law! seem to be oblivious to the fact that Harry and said favourite could't even be bothered to head to church with her up at Balmoral. The idea that they went up there and declined to go to church with the monarch up at her very special country home is absurd. I don't think they went up there at all.

MeAgain needs that baby more than ever as her PR seems not to have turned her into the beloved Star of the BRF that her sugars insisted she would. In wondering where we might be with all this by next summer, it's clear that that will all turn on the arrival of a baby and a christening.

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She'll get us, my pretties, and our little dogs too.

Luxembourg royals pose casually in jeans. I think it's such a nice picture!

Is it true Princess Eugenie is registered at KFC?

The attitude behind Markle's criticism of Eugenie's wedding, and believe me, she's behind it since there is always a negative comparison included, is who does Eugenie think she is? She's not important enough for this kind of wedding. She's ninth in line! She's above herself. Markle knows Eugenie's wedding will look better, be better planned, executed better, have more true glamor, better clothes, better reception, happier guests, and it's all in the same venue where Meghan's bare bones, so to speak, cryptkeeper rises from the undercroft event happened. Meghan's wedding will look half-assed by comparison, so she's trying to spin it that Eugenie is pushy, spendthrift, full of herself and above herself.

THAT is the gall. She's not making trash jokes - Markle thinks she's higher status than the queen's grandkid.

I don't think it's that the Hazbeans couldn't be bothered to go to Balmoral. I think they weren't invited. The tsunami of blind items pumped out by Meghan's manic pr, trashing Eug's wedding, insinuating shit about Kate, trashing Camilla, is not something that would encourage the senior royals to invite her up for a family weekend.

I guess Bean will be dragging the "I'd selflessly give my left arm for you, dear peasants of my Commonwealth!" amputee-chic look across the southern hemisphere.

If they weren't invited to Balmoral, maybe it's because the RF were worried about pictures being published of "private spaces".

R350, Where is her ski-slope nose?

It looks like a prosthetic nose in R350 picture

She found someone else's light, r435.

And here she is in the same Hallmark movie, [italic]When Sparks Fly,[/italic] wearing a toilet-paper dress.

She’s such an asshole.

That dress in r438 fits her better than the one on her wedding day to Harry.

Also, I don't know if it's same poster or a few different people, but the "She's such an asshole" poster as per r439 always makes me chuckle.

Do you think she ever finds herself here via Google? Bet she can't resist checking out the DM comments. So unloved by the people.

R440: LOL. I'm not R439 but I, too, have said "She's such an asshole" in previous posts. Sometimes with her, there is just nothing else to say.

What is so irritating about MM is her misplaced, overweening confidence, the sense that she thinks she is one step ahead of everyone else. It comes across as arrogance and disrespect. Fergie made a thousand blunders, but she never aroused the ire that MM does.

Fergie's flaws were and are relatable, endearing even. She seems like the sort of person you could easily have a conversation with. Wouldn't want to meet MM.

Megs will be visiting in the Austral spring so should be wearing lots of colors for the season. Ten bucks she doesn't realize it and will wear autumn colors.

When Kate and William went on a similar visit, she wore colors nonstop. Bright red upon arriving in NZ, bright yellow when arriving in Oz in 2012. She nailed it fashion-wise throughout their tour. Was always fashion appropriate for all of her appearances. Kate has always had a keen knack for overseas trips. She's crushed it in Canada, India and more, always looking perfect for every occasion. Her Prabal Gurung was a complete success. And she even represented British designers overseas, wearing Jenny Packham in Singapore. Then changed into Prabal's colorful dress for another event there. He was beside himself thrilled being of Nepalese descent.

MeAgain will probably wear Ralph Lauren, Dior and others during her trip since she's so friggin dim about dressing for the occasion. I can't wait to see when she shows up in black during their Fiji visit....which will happen. This entire tour should be about wearing color but the dimwit wants to do things her way and look like she's going to a funeral everywhere she goes, be it a wedding or an awards ceremony honoring dying kids. Still can't get over how tone deaf she was on that one.

Upthread, someone said the reason for Andrew and Fergie's divorce was his violence toward her when drunk. I seriously doubt this, because they have been so close for so long. I would have thought it was because he cheated, was always away, etc.

Fergie is relatable because she's a drunk, MeAgain doesn't have the same excuse unless the Columbian Marching Powder stories are true.

If Meghan is responsible for every negative story/rumour about the members of the BRF,who was leaking the negative stuff before she entered the picture?

It's the kind of stories emerging since her arrival. Quite insider (Kate won't give free rides.) Since the death of Diana, stories were generally confined to reactions to books that were written... Prince Charles was permanently 'incandescent with rage.' But the twenty years since Diana were notable for the general discretion of those around the royals... those around them got quite protective, particularly those around William and Harry. And in William's case it is well established his great hatred for media means an automatic exile from his world if you're caught leaving. The worst offender by many accounts were the PRs Charles hired at Clarence House to make Camilla acceptable... sometimes by exchanging some inside stuff on the boys.

MM may not be leaking directly or even intentionally. She is probably bored and lonely and in her whining to the people from her old life she lets loose stuff they trade in. That Canadian gossip site was unheard of before MM.

R428 - Brilliant, have a cyber-award for most amusing post so far!

Sparkle is so used to aggressive competitism, paranoia, and operating her entire life via image and PR, that having gotten what she thought she wanted most in the world, A-list status and security up the wazuli, her face on magazine covers at all the checkout counters, and HRH in front of her name, she's still in I Can Outsmart Everyone With My Cunning And PR mode.

If Kate got run over outside KP tomorrow, Sparkle would start distancing herself from Harry and set her cap for William. She'd think nothing of divorcing one brother to marry the richer, higher status one. First target: Harry via sex and sob stories. Second target: undermining Kate. Third target: William.

She probably dreams about swapping out the rapidly palling paltry Duchess of Sussex for the much shinier Meghan, Princess of Wales . . .

All right, it's a bit hyperbolic. But it is true that some people are never happy with what they have and are always restlessly looking for the next mark. Sparkle strikes me as being one of these, unable to stop the habits of a lifetime.

You know it really shows Harry for the loser idiot he is that the supposed bad influence in his set, Guy Pelly, had the sense to marry Lizzy Wilson. More than that, there is apparently enough substance to Pelly that Lizzy married HIM. She has an advanced degree in art and museum studies, and then studied in Europe. She's got so much money, and then from her educational and European endeavors, is so connected, she didn't need to grab a no-title aristo just because he hung with the RF. Her credentials (including all that money) could have easily gained her access without Pelly's help. So I must assume Guy Pelly had the stuff to attract Lizzy Wilson, who is pretty much the absolute opposite of Meghan Markle. I mean if either William or Henry had brought Wilson home, it would have represented an upgrade (Wilson, like Kate Middleton, also has a solid family). So basically, three time drunk driver Pelly, the dude who shimmied up a flagpole in his underwear, the guy who, when William and Henry hung out with him, supposedly meant trouble, is still more mature than Harry. Was able to get himself a sensible, smart wife that he apparently loves, baby daughter with a suitably aristo name ("Willow" - that sort of thing very popular in that set now). And needless to say, Wilson knows how to dress.

Ok, and another thing, I was on tumblr this morning and it reminded me of this cringe-making photo scams Meghan would pull and nobody told her to stop. There was "He wears it well" showing a bearded red-headed man, grinning broadly, wearing a Golden Girls t-shirt. Everybody goes "Harry!" without noting the entire image is heavily cast with an orange filter and the top of the man's face is obscured. And today I saw a photo of Buckaroo wearing a button down shirt, with a red-headed man's face snuggled into her hair so only his smile and his jawline are visible, and he's wearing a matching shirt. However, his ears stick out and Harry's do not. She pulls this shit, or pulled it prior to getting married, and nobody in the RF tagged her as Crazy Pants and forbade the bans? She's a bunny boiler!

R433 - amputee chic. Excellent. I knew there was something like that wrong with the style.

R451, if she's the narc many people, including myself, think she is, than that's just the nature of the narc. It's not about the ways and means of Hollywood. It's all about the pursuit for them - they are never happy in the space they occupy. She would have been much better off staying in Canada, getting comped travel, getting a local celebrity like Corey V. for a second (or third) husband, one-upping the other Real Housewives of Toronto and minor instagram stars, getting herself photographed with incoming celebrities and other regional luminaries - a regular narcissistic supply, easy to come by. They always think a situation, a man, or whatever, will give them what they need, but when they get there, they still feel like it's not enough. Because it's still just them. They don't become that other person, and who they are is very limited, very impoverished. They bring down their circumstances instead of their circumstances lifting them up.

The pictures I find funny are the ones where she is with another more important royal (the Queen for example) and Sparkle leans in and positions herself so that it looks like she and TQ are have a grand conversation. Then Sparkle looks right at the camera and smiles. But looking at TQ in those pictures, it is so obvious that she (TQ) is looking at the events being presented for her, staring straight ahead (not at the camera) and focusing at the people who are there to see her.

I wonder, is Sparkle smiling at herself, when she looks at the camera.

r454 - MM wouldn't have got much further than she did with the Mediocre Mulroneys. Canada is a small country population-wise and there is far more of a class structure than would appear on the surface. Over time, MM would have found herself increasingly isolated socially, and basically relegated back to the States in no time at the advanced age of 37 years. Not an exciting prospect for dear SPARKLE.

That's why she did what she did and lunged for Harry (another Commonwealth country) - she leveraged the little bit of whatever notoriety she had here in the showbiz industry in Canada (which is comparatively dismal to Hollywood) and wow! it worked!

Harry and Meghan look a like.

That's why I wasn't surprised harry was attracted to her. It shows he has healthy self esteem and that he likes the way he looks (there have been studies done on this).

Save for coloring, their noses, eye shapes, and facial shapes are very similar. If she had pale skin and ginger hair, it would be freakishly noticeably and they would look like siblings.

457. Sugar the expert in reading couplings. Someone have been spending a lot of time at celebitchy.

I despise this chick. But let's not rewrite history on Kate. She was a disaster for the most part until this bigger disaster showed up. Best thing Kate has done was give the world Charlotte. When Princess George abdicates, and mark my words he will, she will be a fantastic Queen.

So, Harry and Meghan are besties with George and Amal. Funny how you don't hear any stories about Harry and Meghan hanging out with William and Katherine. I wonder if Meghan envisioned a warm relationship with Katherine. At Wimbledon, Kate looked like she was just doing her job. There seemed to be no closeness with or fondness for Meghan.

I just hope that it all works out well for Harry and Meghan. Does anyone know any social climbers who actually ended up with the happiness and wealth that they wanted so badly?

R459 - I did what was expected - I popped out an heir, a spare and another baby for good measure. A disaster I am not.

R459 - Oh, please, Kate has done exactly what the BRF wanted her to do: keep her mouth shut, maintain a bland, low-drama persona, keep William steady, and pop out the next generation of heirs. A "disaster"?! Why - because she didn't become the charismatic star her late mother in law was? That's not what the BRF wanted: they wanted, safe, bland, and dutiful, and that's exactly what Kate has been. She wears British fashion, she carries an authentically English aura about her, she doesn't switch identities with whatever outfit she's wearing that day, she breeds like a rabbit, her children are adorable, and there's no one out there who supposes she's anything but a loving mother.

Thankfully, she lacks the narcissism of her late mother in law and recently minted sister in law. She's not in it for the magazine covers.

Diana the Star was the "disaster". Fergie the "breath of fresh air " was the "disaster".

Prince George is five years old. The idea that you know he will abdicate is so ludicrous as to be a danger to the reader's ribs.

The long game is going to William, Kate, and George. Far from being the next Queen, Charlotte is more likely to be the next Princess Margaret.

I think that Kate will be totally different when HM Queen and the future King Charles are out of the way and she and William are King & Queen.

R457 - More likely, Harry either 1) has a weakly anchored identity and was looking for his reflection in a mate, or 2) is so narcissistic himself that he needs a mate who looks like him. Harry's sense of "self-esteem" by the way, is probably far more shored up by his title, wealth, status, and the fawning sycophants around him, than by a woman whose ski-jump nose looks like his.

Frankly, married people who look like each other is common as dirt - my parents rather resembled each other and me Dad had anything but a strong sense of "self-esteem".

I doubt Meghan's appeal for Harry was that she "looked like him". Her appeal for him was in her exoticism - he wasn't looking at nose similarities, but at her mixed race aura.

And lastly, I must move over to the "What small annoyances in life" thread to submit the term "self-esteem", which is just pop psychology jargon and has absolutely no real meaning.

Kate does something else too, R462. Besides steadying William, the fact of her loving mothering of her children and the private cocoon provided by the Middleton family, she has provided a steady base for her children. The Queen did not do that, partly because of her losing that opportunity early on with her becoming queen, and partly because of the supposed bullying of her husband. And then later spoiling Prince Andrew. Does she see that? Who knows? Perhaps she sees all her offspring as perfect.

Clearly neither William nor Kate appear as anything but providing love and guidance. It's all but impossible to see either of them bullying their children.

If William never becomes king, certainly a possibility, he and Kate will still have a steady family.

Carole and Michael are married in name only.

They have been separated for years now and each have a new significant other.

Sparkle did the same conversational set ups at Trooping. People, including Kate, would talk past her and she'd smile and bend over and laugh as if she were part of it. But in the picture, the eye line isn't obvious, so it's always "Sharing a laugh." All she cares about are the images. If she's like most narcs, she cares way more about photos than she does video or film. I've seen narcs completely drop their "face" when a video camera focus isn't on them, then turn it on when it is. And we can all SEE the mask drop, but they don't care.

Oh stop it, R466. Running down Kate and the Middletons doesn't make Meghan look at all better, although Sugars are like her, they think it works like that. It's not going to tarnish Kate, and the agenda is obvious.

Princess Victoria wore an off the shoulder,black dress for some event tonight.Megs would approve.

R459 you are a complete idiot. But, like most Sugars, you pull shit out of your ass. If one narrative isn't working, you declare another one is fact. Kate has been a resounding success from day one, as has the marriage.

R454, but I don't think Markle would have wanted to go further. She would just have lateral-ed herself into "high Toronto society", become a professional "influencer" via the popularity of her husband, and gotten her jollies off instagram. It was a perfect storm for her - she would never have made a ripple in L.A. A nonentity on a basic cable never-heard-of-it show, she would still try to crash things like Golden Globe parties when she was back in town. Being on TV at her level got her further in Toronto than it did in L.A. I think she never wanted to be more than Mulroney level herself. Without that "pedigree" though - him the son of a disgraced PM, her an heiress, she would have had status by association, and then had to nail down a rich husband in order to have some security for herself and a base.

Awhile ago Princess Sofia (Princess Victoria's sister-in-law) wore a green version of the Stella McCartney halter dress Markle wore to the reception. But Princess Sophia's fit her, she wore proper undergarments, even though she, too, had dangling tendrils, they were brushed. She did not have porn star make-up (her lip color was red, not pneumatic nude), and she wore real jewelry, not a lot of garbage Birks threw her way.

R472 I just googled Princess Sofia in the Stella McCartney green dress. WOW! She looked fabulous Your analysis and comment is absolutely spot on.

IMO she never looked like a porn star.

Oh please. Spare me.

Kate doesn't need fairweather fans. Less than two years ago it was all Willnot and Kannot and Duchess of doolittle.

Wiglet, too skinny, "put some weight in your hems, too short skirts and dresses! And stop flashing us, put some bloody underwear on", "cut your hair and stop fiddling!", the grinch, joker smile, smiling like a maniac and inappropriately, trying to hide short legs with awkward seams, nude pumps again! And oh no not those tired old wedges! And on grass! Trying to hide her short legs! Eyeliner this and saggy faced that. Botox and injections. Orange tans and too much blush.

She is having a moon baby! "Common kate", "council carol", " the meddling middletons". You wouldn't give her a break and now think you can rewrite history to "we always loved our english rose katie". Even though you used to complain that she put on too much blush to mimic dianas natural rosey complexion lol

And on her family? Don't get me started....fucking hypocrites the lot of ya.

Ahh yes. "Princess" sofia. So much classier than murky megs.

R476, veddy classzick.

Princess Sofia adapted once she was dating Swedish royalty. And she never pretended her past was anything more than it was or less than it was. Unlike Markle, who puts out things like "her glittering Hollywood career" and tries to upsell everything she touches. Her self-importance is ludicrous. I'll never forget before the wedding, how she phrased something: "Ms. Markle has "expressed the wish." Oh sit down, Meghan.

Kate has always been enormously popular, the toxic corners of the internet that hate her notwithstanding. The tabloids go after every royal. It's true that with the sprouting of Bean, some Kate detractors have taken a second look and decided Kate is better than they thought at first. And there are plenty of people who prefer Markle and resent Kate for the same reason the Kardashians are popular - you can be a hot mess and still become famous! You can have absolutely nothing going for you and land a prince! Whereas someone dutiful and responsible like Kate engenders resentment. Who does she think she is? I hate girls like that - they think they're better. All the Carole bullshit and Middleton marriage bullshit is just that, bullshit put out by people that think anyone who actually behaved responsibly thinks she's better and needs to be brought down a peg or two.

OMG Meghan never looked like a porn star? She and her best friend JM emulate the Kardashians who have stolen the blow up doll from the porn and escort industry (a lot of escorts do porn, so). It's the cheek implants, the blown up lips, the heavy contour and the nude lipstick. She looks like a porn star - or a wannabe one. That's how she does her make-up. Even her wedding make-up was the faux innocent type a porn star would wear before getting down in the sacristy.

I said "in my opinion" and I stand by what I said.I'm not a fan of hers but even before Harry,I've never seen her wear any over the top revealing outfits.She looked mostly normal.And no I don't like her but I don't hate her with a passion either.

Princess Mary of Denmark wore a black suit in Finland today and she looked gorgeous.She's my favourite royal.

R475 It’s Celebitchy, and I’m pretty sure they didn’t change, only added the ‘Meghan the feminist and humanitarian’ to the tune.

R480, I cannot stand her, but she does not have an overtly slutty look; she looks wholesome and clean. Which, in my experience, does not work against one AT ALL in life. And plenty of men find it irresistible. She may well be a “stealth slut”, like Grace Kelly or Gwyneth Paltrow.

Her BFF Jessica Mulroney, however, looks skanky and dirty. In my opinion.

R472 The green dress does have a proper fit and Princess Sofia looks wonderful in it. But, why doesn't she get her ratty teeth fixed?

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They are really trying to make Markle happen. Her mug was all over magazines at the grocery checkout today.

If you click to make it bigger, a side by side comparison of Sofia and Sparkle in the Stella dress.

The top of the white dress looks too big, although it was her best look that day. She needs to gain some weight back. The green dress looks better on a more womanly figure. I thought Harry was a tits man?

No, Harry is a leg man, 489.

Pss. Sofia looks much better in the McCartney dress - upthread poster is right, it needs more of an hour glass look to keep it from looking like it's on a hanger. Poster upthread however is also correct that the McCartney dress looked better on Meghan than her wedding gown did.

I'd like to know where the other poster upthread got confirmed info that Carole and Michael Middleton now have significant others?

I also agree that Meghan has not cultivated an overtly sluttish look in recent years; but it's also true that the look doesn't really work for her and she's at least shrewd enough to know that. That said, though, she's not above suggestively "ill-fitting" clothing, like the grey dress in Dublin that completely outlined her strapless bra underneath and her nipples, and I don't believe for a moment that that undone button at the von Straubenzee wedding was an accident.

And I agree with the poster upthread who pointed out that the British tabs go after everyone. They do. Their way of maintaining a high level of interest is building up and tearing down. They aren't like HELLO or CB where you always know that they will never have anything but gushing words for the royals generally (HELLO) and Meghan in particular (CB).

Mary's outfit in Finland was to a gala so it was late afternoon cocktail wear - I have never seen her wear all black to ordinary daytime except to memorial or funerary rites.

Only the top was black (with a boat neck off the shoulder neckline, please note) and a grey tweed full tea-length grey tweed skirt and high heeled black pumps. She looked sensational, simple, extremely elegant, and very royal, in exactly the kind of outfit that Meghan keeps trying to bring off, but never does.

By the way, that said about how the tabs, and the DM and the SUN in particular, keep their readers titillated by building up and tearing down and shifting, it also bears repeating that they have it in particularly for Megan Markle, whom they really, honestly, dislike. They don't give a flying fuck about Kate, really, one way or the other, but they actively dislike Sparkle, and they intend to keep digging their little knives into her for the foreseeable future with whatever material presents itself.

This will, as I've pointed out before, go into a "latency period" when the pregnancy announcement, birth of child, christening, etc., occurs. Attacking a charmingly pregnant woman and new mother is too indelicate even for the DM.

Which is why, as I keep repeating, it is critical that Meghan get that bun in the oven as quickly as possible. I expect the announcement as soon as they return from their tour Down Under.

[quote]I'd like to know where the other poster upthread got confirmed info that Carole and Michael Middleton now have significant others?

It's the same wingnut who posted: "Astrologists see a second marriage in wills chart."

The BBC this weekend ran a short piece on a Festival of Natural African Hair Texture in London, with interviews with women with exploding hair talking about the complex relationship historically of black women with their hair in white society.

I kept wondering if Sparkle was watching and feeling as if she wasn't quite moving with the times.

The DM today has a column about halfway down the UK homepage that talks about Sparkle ignoring British fashion, and is a bit more direct in criticising her for not supporting British fashion than it has been previously, comparing her unfavourably to Kate in this regard, and directly suggesting that she is "helping" her friend Jessica Mulroney push "little-known Canadian brands".

She could do that, in theory, push the Canadian brands if she'd announce formally she's supporting designers from the Commonwealth, which she was banging on about in the beginning anyway. Of course she couldn't really wear Lauren or Givenchy or anybody else in publicly - Diana wore Lauren from time to time in private - but it isn't like they've done her any favours so far, although I don't recall so much conversation about the bedspread industry before that wedding.

Meagain's problem is she thinks style is about labels, rather than a look.

Sparkle's persona is so artificial and fabricated she doesn't know which way is up nor sideways. She has no individual "style" because she has lost any personal authenticity she may have at one time possessed, consequently manifesting in a lack of taste that although not egregious is simultaneously aimless and awkward. Rather than being fashion forward or "modern" she dresses by spitball and dollar sign digits that seems to underscore an absent moral compass--like say promoting designers within your adopted country.

R493 There's a festival?

How are the couple celebrating Harry's birthday today? Is Nutmeg making roast chicken?

Only if they can find one that dies a natural death. She doesn't like shooting. And even then, it's going to be a long slow cook to soften up that tough old bird. Birthday may be celebrated a week from Sunday.

I can imagine how unbearable she is now that she has a title. This quote makes me gag. There's a fine line between self-confidence (good) and arrogance (bad) and she's crossed it.

^^^I’d love to see the quotes when she loses the title-by-marriage.

How do we all know this?

R490 the poster who said the MIddletons have a marriage in name only pulled it out of their ass. Sugars are like Meghan, they think tearing down someone else makes Meghan look better. So, Kate and William are happy, Kate comes from a stable family, they have three healthy children. The sugars claim:

William constantly cheats AND his true love is Jecca or Isabella. the Middletons are a fraud The kids are surrogates.

It's lowest common denominator, insecure, low class fantasy mean girls bullshit, just like their heroine, Bean.

Harry's 34rd birthday was yesterday. I started a thread, sadly, with zero responses. I think he's a splendid young man, a wonderful guy with great potential. I wish him the very best, even while I distrust his wife.

[quote]Tell me about egg noodles, DL. I'm German-American, and I love them. I eat them with Chicken Paprikash, and Beef Stroganoff. Also, if my tummy is feeling touchy, I eat them with butter, and salt and pepper. My Mom made some strange dish after she had cooked a pork roast, where she shredded the leftover pork, made a pork gravy, and mixed that together with egg noodles and a topping of shredded cheddar cheese. It was actually very tasty, but I've never attempted to make it. I like them best in chicken noodle soup. I like to make my own chicken noodle soup, but I cook the noodles at the last minute before adding them to the broth.

Well, you're getting more responses on your Egg Noodle thread, r504. That ought to tell ya something.

Today's DM carries the story that "talks" with the BBC to cover Yuge's wedding have failed (that would be, talks between Prince Andrew and the BBC for as much money as he can wring out of them) but the Beeb is convinced (not without reason after the flop in the UK Harry's and Sparkle's wedding was), and Andy is now talking to ITV.

These people really do live on another planet. Cynical as I am about St. Sparkle, I really don't think we're much spoiled for choice among them.

Meanwhile, north of the Tweed, HM is still up at Balmoral and William was snapped heading to Church with her this morning along with Charles and Camilla. Only Haz and Sparkle among the senior ranks have NOT been seen up at Balmoral, let alone in the obligatory limo on the way to church snap. I imagine Sparkle has simply got too much to do sorting out all those changes of clothes for the Down Under Tour to spare a couple of days being flown privately up to Balmoral and then back on the taxpayer's penny.

Well, HM is there until October, perhaps HazBean will make it up there sometime before Yuge's wedding and their too too TOO exhausting tour.

For the poster upthread who mentioned Pss. Mary of Denmark's outfit in Finland, next day on her visit there she wore a very classy trouser suit by a Finnish designer whose colour is either a very soft blush or a very soft tan that looks like blush on my screen - notable for the perfect length of the trousers over her matching pumps.

Do you have a link, R507?

Hemming, it is a thing. Unless you have to return sample clothes, I suppose?

R501 - She will only lose the title if they divorce IF she has not yet become a UK citizen by then. Legally, she carries the title today only by courtesy, as she is still an American citizen. That title only becomes "real" and hers by right the day she becomes a UK citizen. If she has a child by then, which is very likely as it is alleged she it taking the full route to citizenship which will take at least three years, they will do what they did with Diana and Fergie, and leave her the title but without the HRH. Harry will not want to deprive his child of a mother without a commensurate title, or a mother who has been humiliated by the rest of the child's family in the BRF. There is the history of Harry's mother to be considered.

However, if they divorced next year with no child, then you can wager your last tiara that she will leave with a modest settlement, the clothes she accumulated, and whatever outright gifts of jewelry she received during the marriage, which will NOT include Queen Mary's Bandeau Tiara.

Given the upcoming gala celebrations for Charles's 70th, we should finally see Sparkle at the end of October and in November in gala evening wear. By then, I wonder if they will have bought her a tiara of her own, or if HM will just keep giving Sparkle the occasional loan of one for such occasions.

R508 - It was carried on billedbladet, the Danish equivalent of HELLO. I check into it occasionally even though my Danish is sketchy, just about enough to get the gist of the headlines and first paragraphs. That is where I saw Mary's cocktail outfit yesterday of the black top and tea length grey skirt, a simply beautiful outfit.

https www billedbladet.dk kongelige danmark kronprinsesse-mary gjorde lykke i fantastisk finsk design

kongelige means "royal" kronprincesses means "Crown Princess" the rest is rather easy to figure out.

R507

The title is extended to her by marriage, but it flows through the husband. So she is Princess Henry (not used) and Duchess of Sussex as wife of the Duke. If they divorce, technically she reverts to nothing because she has no legal claim on the source of the title... her ex husband. If she remarries she no longer refers to herself using the title because again, unless granted in her own right, titles flow from marital status through the present husband. There is no right to a title. It can, in the usual complex British way, be stripped, though it happens rarely.

"When a peeress obtains a divorce the general rule is that she places her forename before her title, for example Mary, Duchess of Mayfair. This is a practical measure to avoid confusion should the peer in question marry again. If a divorced peer remains unmarried his former wife may continue to use her title without the qualification of her forename."

MARY!

Who'd she get those pants from, Meagain?

I find withholding facts is always such a great way to win an argument!

^ sorry, wrong thread. Yet good life advice wherever it pops up, I hope.

MARY!!

MARY!!!

Mary really does look nice-- and appropriate (love her HEMMED pants)!

MARY!!!!

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National Enquirer reporting about a first husband which would make Harry the 3rd husband.

Oooooooooooh... this could be good.

At a minimum, big win for the haters... this will follow her all her life now.

He is a lawyer, they met at Northwestern, it was annulled. He was her first husband. Harry truly is dim if he thought this was a good idea. He could have found someone more suitable and who would make him happier. A closing in on middle aged man with mommy issues did not pick well by choosing a narcissist with a history of ghosting people. Commentors on DM call him Prince Cuck and his friends have been frosty. Family too, after she allegedly planned to sell pix of private areas. It is a disaster professionally, socially and will be one personally. Hoping she does not get knocked up and she moves on.

The Enquirer also has a piece on her losing a great deal of weight. That one is not disputable - she looked much better before. Clothes fit better before. She had small breasts before. Now, nada.

[quote] She had small breasts before. Now, nada.

Didn't she boast (before Harry) that she had "magical boobs"?

[quote]Come and read about the girl with the magical boobs!

Her tits are sexy their.

Don't worry, it's normal R529, I know guys with bigger boobs than Markle's.

I thought Harry was into busty blondes. Maybe he is gay...

I can't believe I spelled it their, either.

R531 Sometimes there's one with big blue eyes, cute as a bunny,

With hair down to here, and plenty of money,

And just when you think she's that one in the world,

Your heart gets stolen by some mousy little girl,

She could dial a phone with those nipples.

Love that she was caught out flashing tit because she had to take the best vacay insta shot.

That's one of the things that baffles me. Why are people so eager to get naked at the beach, when they know there are cameras everywhere? I mean, I don't want my friends taking their clothes off at the pool, regardless of the level of security. I don't need to see anyone's tits.

What makes Henry a "splendid young man"? Turns out, he's a PR creation.

R535, I think calling her out for going topless is missing the point. Princess Sofia went topless and more. Despite the fact that many people rag on her, she doesn't produce the same ire as Meghan because she's not a hypocrite. She's - that was then, this is now, but she's not lying about "then". Also, if you're a youngish skinny woman and you don't go topless on a Greek beach, when will you go topless? I'm old, and my first time on a European beach everyone was topless. I tried, but felt phony, plus I'm whiter than a ghost and I couldn't pull it off. I was better off being my puritan self. The problem with Markle is she's an incredible phony, her naked boobs aren't the issue, it's her naked lies, grift and and phoniness. Her untrustworthiness. Flashing bare boob in Greece isn't bad, flashing lace (and merching) bra at someone else's wedding while you pretend everyone is there to see you is really bad.

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R531, I'll always have my suspicions about Harry being bi. In Vegas there was a pic of him leering after a kind of trashy looking older-ish blonde woman in a bikini with big, very rock-like implants. Since he leered from every angle, IMO he was putting on a show for others' benefit. No other guy was leering at her. There are actors - soap actor Jack Wagner is one - who were widely rumored (or maybe known to be) at the very least bi, who in public conspicuously chased the most obvious blondes in existence. I don't think Harry's straight pals would be leering after a 40ish, rough looking blonde in a bikini with rock-like boulders for boobs. It's overcompensation. I think he really did have an emotional/physical bonde with Chelsy Davy but she was just too smart to join the Rf. He liked Cressida Davy. But has been rumored to be "dating" every Brit blonde beard in London. Then comes Markle, and because she tries to sell the sex, looks like she'd do ANYTHING to get ahead, and is not his conventional type, people assume she vagina-tized him with sex. I don't know the deal, but there is a deal. It's not just the basic tired shit "Harry was ready, she was willing, so he went ahead and married her." Nor is it "Harry was in love." There is SOMETHING amiss.

^Cressida BONAS, not Cressida Davy, obviously.

r537 - The "splendid young man" comment is the Egg Noodle thread poster's opinion (r504).

The Enquirer is blocked here (France) for some reason and will not display. But it was posted here before, the first husband was called Joseph Giuliano, a criminal attorney.

R483 "Wholesome" Meghan most definitely does not look, nor does "clean". She slathers on contour with a trowel, and the combination of ungroomed hair, heavy bronzer and nude lip is the opposite of wholesome and clean cut. Either the contour is so heavy it makes it seem as if she has obvious cheek implants, or she DOES have obvious implants. Either way, wholesome and clean cut is not the result. Ditto - does the overdrawing and nude lip give her that porn-y look, or are they injected for a porny look. I'm talking neck up porny, not the hot mess old lady wreck that is her taste in "fashion".

Sugars are having a meltdown over people reposting a pic of "marke and Harry" in matching shirts, "Harry" snuggling into Markle's hair, Markle giggling, eyes closed, in bliss. Her face if recognizable, his his obscured. People are challenging the sugars "Why should I not repost this pic? Why should I delete?" The sugars are "It is hacked! The photog can sue!' It is not good for Meghan or Harry!" The posters are, "Tell more more, I smell fuckery." The sugars are, "We won't tell!"

I think the problem is it is, as with the "He wears it well" insta, NOT Harry. The face is more florid, the ears stick out (what we can see. We see only edges of features). Markus Anderson's ears stick out. Harry's do not. The ears of the guy in the photo stick out. Markus Anderson is close to Bean's height. Harry is not. The guy is close to Bean's height. It would not be the first time Meghan posed with or posted a partially obscured shot of Markus and hinted it was Harry, and this is what has the Sugars beside themselves. Everything can be argued, but not the ears. The ears stick out. Harry's don't. Markus's do. They don't want Meghan's ass showing.

R544, I have to say that I agree with R483. Her character is repulsive, but her looks are not. I do suspect that, as other posters have suggested, she's been making cosmetic alterations to her face lately, and not for the better. I also think that her recent weight loss is unflattering. But, in spite of all that, I still think she's an objectively lovely woman on the outside.

Her face is PORNY. Clean cut, it is not. She is photogenic. She's pretty. When her hair is actually groomed by a pro, she looks good. Only once has that seemingly happened during all of this, during the Irish visit (same one where her strapless bra was outlined under her dress). Because the policy of the labels she wore is to send a stylist to worth with whomever they loaned the clothes, Meg's hair looked good, and she looked more Suits-like. Suits is when she was polished, "clean" and well groomed. For fuck's sake, one of the reasons she's ragged on his her grooming is ass.

Sparkle and Haz have not been INVITED to Balmoral. If you think Sparkle wouldn't have jumped at the chance to be photographed HM adjacent in Balmoral, you're crazy. She's not invited. Official shit, sure. She's his official wife. Family stuff? NO. Not with her fake blind item dropping and her mobile phone private places screen shot grabbing.

So unfortunate; especially the shadow.

Bean's first speaking role:

I'm Vixxyn, your new intern. What do you mean dick tast...? I, uh, the job description said "dictation."

I'm a good girl, sir; a virgin. I don't think I could ever...

[cue porn music]

The most glamourous moment of the entire affair - -

I still hate that "sashaying" catwalk thing she does-- so affected (like her).

Well, I'm the guy who called Harry a 'splendid young man', and I stand by my remark. I think he was rather lost, for a long time, but has eventually started to discover some purpose in life. His interactions with children (especially in comparison with Meghan) are noteworthy: kids really seem to love him, while they ignore Meghan. I think that, if he and Meghan have children, he'll be a devoted father. But I don't trust Meghan at all. So I fear that Harry might end up being trapped with her if she actually does have children.

Invictus is a pretty splendid thing and he drove it to reality.

Invictus is a clone stamp of the USA's Warrior Games. As we speak, it is in the red - not self-supporting. If you think Harry is behind it all instead of a million delegates doing the real work, you're crazy. Past 2 Invictus games, Harry stole the spotlight from the athletes to focus on his romantic life. TWO games in a row, there was the coy shit with Meghan. He used Invictus as PR platform for his love life. Take that in. Of course, it meant the actual cause and athletes didn't get a boost.

This year, he and she are photo opping only. The rest is a tour right in the middle of Invictus, which means Meghan's Tonga, etc. fashions will be highlighted, NOT Invictus.

Harry knows EXACTLY what endears him to the public. Cheesing it with children. Getting out that pointy finger. Making faces. Yanking a kid out of the crowd to compel a hug with his fiancee'. And then no follow through when the cameras are off. He is full of shit. And people are now noticing he is cut from the same cloth as his bride.

Ok r555. Please put the scissors down. Nobody needs to get hurt. Just take a deeeep breath. Come on, take a deeep breath.

Guess time will tell, R555, but birds of a feather and all that. You may well be correct...they may be more similar than we may have realized.

Many people are tired of Harry excuses. He was played by a cunning operator. Please. She is basic.

She’s such an asshole.

I love you R559!

She's a major asshole.

459, None of us will be alive to see the end of William's reign, so I'm not marking your words about George!

I'm not even sure about the end of Elizabeth's reign!

I want to join the party as well: what is 'Invictus,' and how does it apply to the D&D/S?

Right back at ya, R560!

The recent drama with Dad Markle is comedy gold. It was the top story on the DM. I hope MM is around a long time. Never a dull moment!

That Princess Sofia is adorable. I love her childlike smile. And the arm candy is rather nice, too.

So Penguin are using Meghan to promote their new Grenfell Tower community cookbook, she's even on the front cover... it feels weirdly opportunistic of both Penguin and Meghan to do this

Shameless publicity whore. Americans are getting more foolish and pathetic every fucking day.

Kensington Palace are also claiming she visits the community kitchen on a regular basis. I don't think any of the royals even realized they lived so close to abject poverty before Grenfell, now William is pretending to help build community hubs and Meghan is sharing her passion for cooking with the locals, I won't be surprised if KP soon tell us that Kate is popping into the local daycare with Louis & Harry is doing shifts down the local pub.

Who is her shirt unbuttoned for in R569? The camera? Bit rude to give the Muslim ladies such an eyeful when they are cooking.

R570, she's an international sex symbol now, so the unbuttoned shirt is probably just to titillate the entire world. But note how humanitarian the endeavor itself is, although if she could have worn a black bikini she would have.

There is nothing sexy about her now, she looks like a chicken and the way her legs bend suggests rickets. She was cute once upon a time but that was ages ago. Guess she is just a flasher.

This "Qualified fashion psychologist" thinks Meghan is dressing well:

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R569, thank you for that extraordinary photo. The "sexily" unbuttoned shirt (with strategic half-apron, the only one in the room) stood out to me, but so did the color: Who slaves over a hot stove in a pristine white shirt? Only a rich woman who can afford to immediately ruin her beautiful clothes. But I don't think it's a blunder; I think she's deliberately drawing a line between herself and the poor women around her.

And the Qualified Fashion Psychologist just happens to be WOC.

The cookbook is classic Meghan and you should see the weepers on CB over her wonderful "harnessing of her power". Odd how no matter what Kate and William do, it is never about "harnessing power".

Let's see how the cookbook (which Meghan "organised" - a very careful usage which means, basically, that she agreed to front it while other people did the work).

*Let's see how the cookbook SELLS . . .

R576

The full 3 minute video from Penguin about Meghan and the cook book. Not nearly offensive when viewed with less of her and how the women of Grenfell used to only cook for the public twice a week and couldn't afford to seven days a week. The cook book claims to be Meghan's idea to raise proceeds that will 100 pct go to providing them with food and resources to keep their kitchen going full time. If that's the case and her promotion of it makes it possible good for her and the Grenfell cooking community.

The heart of the project is wonderful. Women -- especially Muslim -- taking their family recipes and putting it into something everyone can try is a terrific goal. But the video makes it sound like Meghan's the one who came up with the idea and made it happen. They even use a woman named Zahira to relay the story of how Meghan came to their rescue. Who knows, maybe without her attention to the topic it wouldn't have been possible.

Love how Megs is wearing a white blouse unbuttoned to her bra line in the video to stay sexy. But I will give her credit that this is the most comfortable setting I've seen her in EVER with Commonwealth citizens.. She genuinely looks at home cooking and in the kitchen and if she wants to make feeding communities her pet project for the BRF more power to her. She was SO uncomfortable around those sick kids at the gala but seems to relish cooking with these ladies. She's in her lane in this video. Something she should stay in. It makes her way more likeable.

Kate is a pro at doing anything athletic or anything with kids and Meghan is terrible at both. She's at least found ONE thing she's good at when it comes to relating to others in Britain and that's cooking. Believe me, I'm no Sugar and have pretty much hated on everything she's done as a new royal but other than making this video about her brilliance of entrepreneurial ideas for a cook book, I can't fault her too much. If the proceeds really do go to help the women's kitchen from Grenfell that's a win for the community and the ladies involved.

She made soooooo many secret trips...with a professional camera team.

R578 I'm no sugar, said every sugar ever.

Watching the video at R578, the dangling tendrils were beaten into submission for that one day. I'm sure they're channeling their angst into a massive Tonga rebellion.

Who else is ODing on sugar on this thread?

We nearly there. Have Part 12 ready and waiting:

Sorry, "We're"

R581 ROFLMAO-- love you!

Prepare for a mouthful of word salad

"The Banana Chronicles" really r586?

R586 Oh fuck. It's The Tig all over again.

"As I was settling into my new home of London". This bitch troll.

R578 - Lor' lumme, is that a bona fide white blonde kid they worked into the photo?!

R590 Probably being raised for the white slavery market.

Three pages of foreword and no mention of Pa Markle shipping matzoh balls to her when homesick? He's gonna be on the rampage at not being mentioned.

I was going to select the most annoying quote from the introduction to post here, but there were too many.

R591 - LOL - the kiddie edition of The Wind and the Lion?

I'm sorry, I know a lot of straight guys and routine hijinks do not include twisting and tounging each other's nipples for a laugh. This sounds like the same guy poster who describes all guys road trips or events where straights and gays share a bed, think nothing of it, it's what everyone does!

I actually don't know many collections of straight and gay guys who carry on together on a night out in a large group. I know a gay couple who on occasion bring a straight woman friend along (I know a couple of those), but certainly not bring her along all the time. Will has never been photographed as Harry has been photographed. Will has plenty of guy friends, but somehow refrained from licking their nipples for the camera. He seems pretty comfortable giving his bro-in-law Mike Tindell a big hug, but Harry is cut from another cloth. And no, if Harry were gay, we would certainly not "know" it after 15 years. Why on earth would we? People have stayed closeted their entire lives, or an open secret their entire lives where some choose to believe it and some don't. He's no different.

Preach, R595. Think the poster was trolling...

R578 R572 Wonder if this "community cookbook" is gonna have Sparky's fave Matzo Ball recipe? Or her ex Cory the chef's popular pasta recipe which she claimed as her own? Maybe just a simple "How to snag your Prince" Roast Chicken recipe? Halal? Kosher? Vegan? ...so many possibilities...

But as R570 & R575 noted, she managed, once again, to dress inappropriately for the occasion. That she does with predictable aplomb. Pity we can't see her hot kitchen high heels.

^^ R572 should be R578

R597 Look at the photo. Of course it's going to be halal.

R585 straight American guys, perhaps (“all guy road trip” guy here).

I’m not American. Don’t assume that other places reflect your limited experience.

I have no reason to lie. Just trying to show a few of the more parochial people on this thread that their experience isn’t necessarily reflected elsewhere.