There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41)1) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

Down with tyranny and religious rule!

Let freedom ring.

Take off your shackles of fear, and reclaim your country!

No shit, “the World.” These mother fuckers are going down, right Stevie?

Great thread title. Thanks OP. I remember seeing it suggested and giving that poster a WW.

The last two posts from last thread should be posted here.

R7:

Hope in Arizona.

Could you young wippersnappers post some Bill Maher clips from tonight?

R7:

Today's chart from the Economist.

It’s WHIPPER not wipper.

I wish Disney, in buying Fox, had included Fox News. They could make it centrist. A replacement would arise probably (NRA TV or RT), but it'd take time. Maybe some people would wake up.

Alas, Disney won't be acquiring Fox News with its purchase of Fox.

[quote] As part of the Disney-Fox merger, 21st Century Fox will spin off Fox News, Fox Business, and the Fox broadcasting network into a new, separately traded company.

Haven’t heard much from these two lately.

That scares me.

from the last thread:

[quote] Because, [R596], people are giving WAY too much power to their fear of “how many there are.” And at the end of the day, justice is not decided by “how many there are.” Either Justice will prevail — or not. But the percentage of these fucking jamokes has no correlation to Justice actually prevailing, and the fear of the assholes is actually making people feel hopeless and helpless because they are too focused on “how many there are.” See my post at [R306] for clarity.

But doesn't their prevalence matter for juries? They can pretend to be neutral more or less, and get on juries and ruin things.

I think this post from Your Cunty Mother is worth reposting:

All you Mary’s need to STOP with the “they will turn on him when __________.” It’s not going to happen. Get it? They. Will. Not. Turn. On. Him.

We. Don’t. Need. Them. To.

Just keep screaming that he’s the most traitoring traitor who ever traitored. The rest will happen organically. Trust. What we need to keep saying is, “oh HELL no, not having some Russher guy taxing fucking money I don’t have for another fucking week, much less a fucking DAY! Fuck his lies. And fuck you for defending LIES.” Triple down on the lies, triple down on attacking his character, triple down on each law being broken, yet refuse to compare him to ANYBODY (that’s a trap and you’ll lose), but NOT because you’re trying to sell them on changing their minds — you’re just letting them know we’re going to kick anyone’s ass who supports this bullshit. REFUSE to listen to someone say “but they all do it [lying]” without flipping fucking tables over — do NOT accept that without going Donkey Kong!!! We need to stop trying to win them over, they’re 100 times worse than Nixon’s supporters, but in the end, that doesn’t even matter. Whatever percentage of them exist after this ends will simply be an amusing observation — their base wields zero power at this point in history. Do not fear them. Justice will prevail, you just need to vocalize your faith in truth and justice, everything else will happen all by itself, as I said, organically. Including his downfall.

And as others said, do not goad them either. I say this as someone who was hysterically laughing yesterday. Keep your glee to yourself and like-minded friends, share your glee only in places like the DL. Not because you don’t deserve to relish our victory, but only because it isn’t productive to rub the puppy’s nose in his/her mess. In other words, use your brain, the next few months matter in setting a productive, inspired, and even humbled tone to move our country forward fast, and good leaders will help expedite that process.

Now is NOT the time however, to stop calling your Reps BTW!!!! Or going to protests!!!! Or telling doctor offices and gyms you don’t want that Fox propaganda shit on the tv or you’re taking your business elsewhere, and you’ll tell others to take their business elsewhere too!!!!

The next few months require a delicate blend of three parts anger/patriotism and one part humility. The smart ones will be grateful for our humility. The dumb ones will mistake our humility for weakness, and that’s when you have my permission to bloody their noses.

Why would you assume that Disney would make Fox news more centrist?

R14, haven’t you ever been in a real brawl? Kicked someone’s ass or helped someone else getting their ass kicked? In the middle of a brawl do you say, “Ooooooo, his muscles look bigger, maybe he was on the wrestling team, and I don’t even know how to hit!” Or do you just FIGHT? Does this make any sense? Trust me, there aren’t enough of them that we should waste our valuable energy worrying about jury pools. AND that’s not something you can control anyway. Is it?

This story rears its head again.

September 21, Fahrenheit 11/9 is released. Can't wait to see it.

Lady Karma is making it rain.

The Manafort juror is a very stupid woman. How could she look at all the horrible things about Trump and still support him? I guess she is just a racist.

The "Trump worried about Pecker leaking" chyron is fake. Funny as hell anyway.

[quote] I guess she is just a racist.

Just like every Trump supporter I know, while also claiming to be Christian.

These people wouldn’t know a true Christian if it ran over them in an R.V.

I agree with “Your Cunty Mother” from the previous thread, re: why we shouldn’t care too much about how many diehard Trump supporters there are. The law doesn’t care how many there are. Mueller doesn’t care.

Harvey Levin was absent from that filthy show for a few weeks. I wonder if he’s been hauled in yet.

He does the same thing as Pecker, no?

Can’t wait to see that Active Measures docu which apparently lays out very convincingly how Trump was “turned” by the Russkies in 2013.

We've known for a while that Pecker was involved in the illegal porn star payoff story. Just buying up stories and keeping them to yourself isn't illegal in itself.

WRONG r28 because that isn’t “all” Pecker was up to. That prick knew 100% that this was tied to campaign funds, election tampering, and campaign finance law. A for effort toots!

R29, How am I wrong? or WRONG? I was referencing the question about Harvey Levin above. We KNOW Pecker was up to illegal shit for political gain, and we've known (or at least strongly suspected) it for a while now, but there haven't been any rumors that the same is true for Levin. Levin probably does have juicy stories that he bought up and is sitting on, but, as long as you're not covering up a crime or something like that, it's not illegal.

Warner Media owns that trash. Hope it’s worth the money.

So, when this is all over … how will the United States punish Russia?

R32, even more severe sanctions, some specific to individuals. Disclosure of horrible information about them. Bolstering allies in Europe against interference and possible invasion. Free trade deal with Ukraine. Exclusion of Russia from international meetings and groups. Working with other democracies to fight online interference etc. Arms sales to their enemies. Removal of Assad, their puppet.

Russia is a big mouse fart when it comes to its 11th place world economy.

r32, because the Republicans are so retro-Reagan we could outspend them, sanction them and then economically pound them into a recession. We could actually up the game on cyber warfare and isolate them on the internet. This is the fuckery that Putin fears. This is the retaliation that would have Russians dragging his dead body through the streets.

We were kind when the Berlin Wall came down and expected Russia to join the world economy. Instead it turned out to a nasty fuck piece of work after Yeltsin. Medvedev needs to be assassinated as well. Russia needs a a RULE OF LAW revolution that moves Russians from 12th century serfs to a 21 Century democratic nation. Putin and the Oligarchs fear the democratic rise of a true Russian middle class.

Interesting, r33. For the group, how likely do we think these things will be and how long will it take to kick in?

He fears exclusion of his oligarch Toadies from the international banking system. They'll turn on him.

Get ready to laugh your ASS off!

R32, the Magnitsky acts passed in several countries are his biggest fear. He does not want them to spread and wants them repealed where they exist. His control depends on patronage (state funds) flowing to oligarchs, who need access to the international banking to hide, safeguard, and launder the proceeds.

Scalding tea from Enquirer insider:

Thanks R37. The entire show is worth watching, but for those who don't have the time or attention span, please watch Bill's final monologue, posted here...

There is no more benighted a country than Russia. At every turn they've made the wrong choices, and their culture and daily life is based on predation and venality. Fair play is completely foreign to them - an irrationality practiced by naive foreign peoples. TheY are so predatory that they cannibalize themselves if they cannot direct their violence and greed outward to other countries.

Truly, read about their history and culture. Read lots of sources. It's terrifying. They're terrifying. A cancer that either eats itself or the rest of the world.

And we think we're horrible. Our venality, selfishness, dishonesty, and violence is nothing compared to what they're capable of doing, and routinely do.

Romney was right on this one.

It really disturbs me still that so many of the talking heads on cable news and other outlets are still giving the Repugs the benefit of the doubt: that the reason they don't act against Trump is they're afraid they'll lose their next election. Uh..... I don't think enough people have thought about the very real possibility that the reason they're not doing anything is because they took the same dirty money. If Mueller has the evidence to take him down, then he has the evidence to take them down too. That's the reason Nunes and the rest of them are trying to shut him down!

Miss Lindsey looked frazzled on camera. She does need a rest on the fainting couch.

Why, R43, Big Daddy McCain is preparing his soul for eternal rest, of course I need my fainting couch! Will someone please get me a bromide, and put some gin in it!

[quote] So, when this is all over … how will the United States punish Russia?

Cut off their access to the Western World's internet. Sanctions against oligarchs and how much money they can spend outside Russia (so, bye-bye multi million dollar properties in NY, London, etc.).

[quote] Miss Lindsey looked frazzled on camera. She does need a rest on the fainting couch.

All she needs is a nice, new pearl necklace. Those get her always in a good mood.

If the illegitimate President had an illegitimate child with the housekeeper, could that be the reason why he hates Mexicans so much? Because he has to pay child support for little Alejandro?

Since Trump is rather simple, I don’t think this is too far fetched.

You know that Trump only fucks 10s. Wonder what the kids looks like.

R48 A housekeeper who's a 10? Not likely... (if that's what you are talking about)

Yes, I am, Not like the fug Arnold fucked.

R50 Then it must have been one of those East European hos he likes playing housekeeper... Poor Mel... not even as desirable as a housekeeper!

None of the women Trump has been with were a 10 and that’s with extensive plastic surgery. Most of the women who have come forward claiming that Trump harassed them, weren’t a 10 either.

I hate having to use Trump’s rating system for women in my post, especially when the guy in question is a solid 0.5 in terms of looks and behavior and somehow believes that he deserves a good looking woman beside him.

Any port in a storm!

A solid 0.5?? are you insane!?

Interesting column by Frank Rich.

Yes R42.

There are three groups of Republicans. Those the Russians funneled money to who actively encouraged it at the time (Nunes, Jordan, Chaffetz, etc.). Those the Russians financed who belatedly realized how tainted the money they got was (many NRA evangelicals). And those who largely missed the Russian funding boat (lots of Senators in this group - the Russians are strategic and relatively cheap).

The first group is desperate to kill off Mueller's inquiry because they fear going to jail. The second hope the first will “make it all go away” so that they won’t be embarrassed (and have to give back their thousands). The third group is actually willing to uphold their oaths of office and “do the right thing” but many are less than fully motivated, because doing it [italic] might [/italic] reconsign them to minority party status come election time.

Democrats view John McCain more favorably than Arizona Republicans.

Trump's attacks on McCain have certainly influenced his base.

I'm not really looking forward to the hagiographies that are already being written about John McCain.

R28, I was very saucy last night, I totally apologize to you, especially for the totally tacky caps, I was trying to be funny but it sucked.

What I was trying to say is that Pecker’s activity wasn’t limited to just paying off porn stars, that his payment/interference was illegal when put in the context that he knew damn well he was interfering with the election and using funds not meant for porn stars. So he wasn’t simply paying off porn stars — he was directly involved in breaking multiple laws, which he understood perfectly at the time.

I read your post as implying that paying off porn stars isn’t against the law, and I was trying to say, “Well, actually, that depends....”

R59 I admire your honesty. You must not be a republican

I agree, r58. It will demonstrate (again) the utter shallowness of political discourse in this country.

Was Senator Graham and Senator Grassley part of the group that went to Russia recently?

From the last thread....

Nice breakdown, R56.

Jim Carrey gives Lindsey Graham the cartoon treatment in his artwork.

Chuck Assley has had issues with Sessions going back a while.

And that’s Attorney General Graham to you, thank you.

Wait... is Graham gay or lesbian?

I think Melanie should do a little copying...this time from Cher in The Witches of Eastwick...

...opps...wrong link...

Graham was on Fox again (daily) with Shannon Bream last evening facilitating the backstabbing job on Sessions.

Today, Graham is having a tweeting storm about his love and admiration of McCain.

The media gives Graham immense attention; yet, none of which have questioned his motives, confronted his contradictory stances, and who and where personal pressures are coming from, and what may "appear" be held over him that he doesn't want disclosed.

Where's Mike Wallace when you need him?

Tisbury, MA, R71.

I love Maya Wiley’s frequent appearances on msnbc shows (most often The Beat with Ari Melber). She distilled complex legal arguments into manageable bites for this audience. And expresses intelligence and empathy every time she shows up on camera.

Sarah Kendzior is also a favorite contributor of mine. Someone linked to her podcast called Gaslit Nation a couple threads ago that I have listened to and learned a lot from. Kendzior has been ringing the “we’re descending I to totalitarianism” bell for quite some time now. She makes a great partner in appearances with Malcom Nance.

I saw Betsy Woodruff on the Metro the other day on my way to work and I almost fangurled her. But I just smiled when she got off at Gallery Place Chinatown. She is a tall woman.

R70, please, PLEASE stop posting that same link to Graham’s twitter.

Post the individual tweet or nothing.

The Graham comments are out of left field... last time Trumpy went after Mr. Magoo Graham was warning the Trumptard. I wish a reporter at the WaPo or NYT would get the gossip on what Miss Linda is up to.

I also wish/hope some day a reporter will do a story on the employment prospects for Kellyanne and Sarah BucketKFC Sanders. I'd love to see them schooled on life after this disgrace. (Recognize Kellyanne works for herself but would love Sanders to know how limited her prospects are.)

R73, agree on Wiley and is love to see more of her. Excellent legal expert.

[quote]There is no more benighted a country than Russia. At every turn they've made the wrong choices, and their culture and daily life is based on predation and venality. Fair play is completely foreign to them - an irrationality practiced by naive foreign peoples.

This and the rest of R41's knowledgeable post is precisely why Trump would have been so instantly attracted to doing business there. Shiny dubious new super-wealth backed up by authoritarian thuggishness - what on earth was not to like? Gangster nirvana.

Naturally Trump's stupid venal ego led him into being the easiest of marks, and set up to be the biggest ever useful idiot in history. Ironic that he called less nouveau-super-rich and murderous countries 'shitholes', when in fact he'd got into a (urine-stained) bed with the biggest shithole country of all.

* I’d love to see more of her. Sorry about the typo.

That should have been ringing the “we’re descending into totalitarianism” bell

R74 nobody is requiring you to open any link. Skip.

No matter how much his debased base protests, Trump will not be able to survive once everything Pecker, Cohen and Weiselberg know about his filthy criminal activities comes to light. I have to believe that this is truly the beginning of the end for his disastrous presidency. if Russia interferes and the Democrats don't retake the House at least, then are we doomed?

It will take decades to undo all the damage Trump has caused. Can't help but be sad and just a little unsure. God I just want that SOB gone. He looks terrible, can't he just die already. I do believe that if everything Pecker and AW and Cohen knows about Trump starts to be revealed, Trump would rather resign than fight just to save a bit of face.

BTW, Pelosi has been effective but her blindly ego driven insistence on maintaining her leadership is not unlike other politicians. With gratitude, Pelosi needs to step aside. She's had her years in the sun.

Did you say the same about Tip O’Neil?

The random injection of Nancy Pelosi into R82’s post makes me think it’s a troll designed to divide Democrats. Kindly fuck off, please. As she herself has stated, there is no need to even discuss the possibility of Pelosi as Speaker without us first getting back the House at all. Nothing is guaranteed in November with such powerful, evil forces going for a kind of last gasp death march for their own survival.

Yes, vote!

Just like to the actual tweet so we can see what the hell your talking about.

TIA

Normal people are not discussing Pelosi. She’s not an organic topic.

Only people who have been goaded and brainwashed to oblivion.

r58, Only in the short term.

R55, thanks. This stood out:

[quote] If there is a shocking upset GOP victory in November, then all bets are off: America is in worse trouble than we already think and possibly in an existential fight for survival.

[quote] But the more plausible scenario is that Trump, even if he has to be pushed kicking-and-screaming by Ivanka and the possible jailbirds Donald Jr. and Jared, gets out of Dodge. As with Nixon, his administration is most likely not to end with impeachment but with a self-pitying and self-justifying resignation in which Trump lashes out against both Republicans and Democrats, declares another ersatz “win,” and flees.

God how I fear the first scenario. The second does, however, seem more likely at the moment. I think.

This is the vision I've sided with (also believed would happen) for a while. I just don't want it to be proven correct.

If Fox News and Fox networks are spun off as a separate publicly traded company after Disney acquires the rest of 21st Century Fox, it means we can target institutional investors that invest in the new company. That could be big.

R91 That article is from August 7th. In just the past week a whole lot has changed. I don't think this scenario is all that likely and I doubt anyone but his most irrational base would even buy it. At least, I hope not. I believe that with Manaforts trial coming up, Cohen ready to squeal, Pecker ready to open his safe and Weiselberg or whatever his name is and all that the SDNY is investigating re: Trump foundation and don't forget about the Emoluments suits in Maryland and a certain underage girl who was poised to sue Trump over allegations of sex with a minor or whatever that was dropped by the plaintiff during the election, there is so much there. Trumps fat ass is cooked.

He's said as much already r91 (without admitting collusion - he will never do that). I don't see how some new lie makes that big of a difference.

R67 = Boris. No one but a foreigner is that clueless.

Read your morning memos, Boris.

R94, read the article. It's not about the headline. It's the writer's vision of what happens after. The headline is misleading.

Schmidt is involved, so you have to take it with a grain of salt, but AP reported the same thing: Weisselberg only got immunity for his testimony against Coheh, not blanket immunity.

R97 is talking about Steve Schmidt of the garbage site RealClearPolitics. I had to Google what R97 was talking about.

If Cohen plead guilty, why would they need Weisselberg at all?

I mean, Weisselberg to make a case against Cohen.

R67 neither. Lindsey is a pussy hound. At the golf outings with DJT, he received names and phone #s of the top hos in the porn, beauty contests, and modeling industries. Lindsey is quite grateful for the tips and contacts from the best.

r98 The linked article shows it's Michael Schmidt, the guy who writes exclusives as if he's gotten info from Mueller's team when it's actually just bullshit from Rudy. But the AP reported the same thing he's reporting. Many of us were hoping the immunity was for everything, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Yet.

R101 = Natasha

r99 I guess they thought they needed Weisselberg to make the case. He's Executive 1 in the court filings from the Cohen hearing. There is also Executive 2, the guy Weisselberg emailed with about these payments. I hope 2 is Don Jr, but it could just be some accountant.

R101 He really loves pussy.

Can anyone explain to me why Trump can set a "red line" for Robert Mueller's investigation? I don't recall this happening with Nixon or with Clinton and the special investigator. This is the question posed to Trump by Michael Schmidt and his sidekick, Maggot Haberman when Mueller first took on the investigation. Is it even legal for that dumbass to call looking at his finances a "red line". Haberman and Schmidt asked the question and seemed to take it seriously that trumps red line was his finances and I have heard this repeated by dumbass reporters on all of the news networks. A red line set by the target of an investigation is meaningless, no?

I wonder what all of these dumbfuck Repug's would have been saying if Clinton had tried to fire Ken Starr?

[quote]Can anyone explain to me why Trump can set a "red line" for Robert Mueller's investigation?

He can't. It's just more hot air from his blowhole.

[quote]I wonder what all of these dumbfuck Repug's would have been saying if Clinton had tried to fire Ken Starr?

They would have built a gallows on the White House lawn and lynched him.

He couldn't even have tried to fire Ken Starr. The law Starr operated under, which required an actual impeachment by Congress, sunsetted in 1999.

It was specifically done to prevent another Saturday Night Massacre. But once it had done its job against Clinton, the GOP didn't want it any more.

If we survive this, and if there are a Democratic President and Congress in 2021, we need to pass a new version RFN.

In the World of Verbs, just as the past tense of "lead" is spelled "led," the past tense of "plead" is spelled "pled."

Carry on.

Trump may have "met his match" with both Omarosa and Stormy and gained a worthy opponent in Avenatti, but he will meet his vanquisher when he is confronted by Robert MF Mueller.

R111, I thought that about "pled," but it's actually "pleaded" when used it court properly.

R111 scroll down

FORE!

Big deal, Obama wore a tan suit!

Let not argue grammar in such an important thread and waste post space.

There is so little holding up Dump's presidency all it will take is a few brave (LOL) Repugs to have his house of cards collapse.

R65, I think Carrey's portrait of Graham was actually pretty flattering.

[quote] If Cohen plead guilty, why would they need Weisselberg at all?

Cohen knows who got shot, but Weisselberg knows who did the shooting, who paid for it, and where the bodies are buried, so to speak.

Dotard supporters really are dumber than I could ever imagine. I just saw a Meme that a bunch of them are passing around about how dumb liberals are. It basically says something to the effect that Dumb Liberals are too stupid to realize that if they impeach Dotard, Pence becomes President, pardons Dotard, makes Dotard his VP, resigns, Dotard becomes President again and makes Pence his VP. Dumb Liberals minds are now blown.

r119, firstly, If Pence becomes President the Speaker of the House becomes VP. There is no appointing. Trump supporters heads explode.

Which is why it is important that NOTHING happens to Trump before Pence is removed AFTER 01.03.2019.

Trumpublicans heads explode.

Actually, under the 25th Amendment, if the President is removed from office, the Vice President becomes President and can appoint the new Vice President--but the proposed new VP needs to be confirmed by both Houses.

They'll need to take down Trump and Pence both, which is seeming more likely all the time.

^ Yes. He can't set any line officially. There are things he can do - like fire the AG to fire Rosenstein to end Mueller - but that carries the risk its one too many even for Republicans.

But to be honest, I am not sure of that any more. The Republicans have just abdicated all decency. The only way for them to survive even on the margins is to suck up to Trump's base. Trump destroyed that party, but didn't kill it.

No, R120. That's not how it works. And it isn't how it works in my post at R119.

Pence would get to select a VP however that person would have to be confirmed. That's obviously not going to happen in that scenario. Those fucking Deplorables are just too fucking stupid to understand how it works and yet they're calling other people stupid. It's classic.

ok r120, you've got me intrigued, why will Pence be removed after 01.03.2019?

If the House changes to Democratic control the new Congress is seated on 01.03.2019.

Nancy Pelosi knows exactly the power of subpoena power and will not move to impeach Trump until Pence is removed. The VP CAN be indicted for civil and criminal activities while in office. Once Pence is removed, he will be replaced by a Trump nominee, good luck at having THAT happen. It will be interesting.

In order to fuck up the Republicans in the 2020 election, Trump will have to be removed closer to the end of 2019.

Patience.

R125 I think that person is just using 1.3.19 as the date that Dems would hopefully control both the Senate and House.

It is a pity the McCain is on his deathbed as he would be one of the few people Dems would support and it would scare the shit out of Trumpie knowing he would not receive a pardon.

Has anyone listened to the Dworkin Report podcast? Just finished2 episodes of Tom Arnold interview and he has a ton of tea! Vice have given him a show starting mid September about his quest to get ahold of the trump Apprentice tapes. He has raging adhd but I do think he is sincere in what he is claiming.

This is fairly off topic, but anytime I see a picture of the Great Pumpkin lately I think, "All that (alleged) money and he can't get that damned turkey neck fixed." It may be the ADHD. Possibly I shouldn't have stopped taking Ritalin.

Forget the turkey neck, what about the corpse-like texture of his pocky orange skin?

I'm sick of Tom Arnold and the people giving him a platform. Put up or shut up.

He's a pathological narcissist, R130. When he looks in the mirror he sees absolutely nothing wrong. He probably says, "I'd fuck me," to himself like Buffalo Bill.

R115 and 75% of his days watching TV and the other 25% on twitter

And I know my math is off.

There's a good reason he hasn't had it done, R130. You may remember this story: back in the late '80s, Ivana, his first wife, had a ton of plastic surgery. She recommended her surgeon to Trump, who got lipo and a scalp reduction procedure from him. Trump could not handle the pain following the operations; he became enraged at Ivana and attacked her. He pulled out clumps of her hair and raped her. (Later on, presumably to resolve financial issues, she said she wasn't quite raped, just "violated.").

No one wants to go through that again with him. I'm sure everyone just tells him he looks fabulous.

Kind of off topic but who needs another Milo thread. And, once you've enjoyed his white wine, scroll down through the replies till you come to the 'He should meet this ex couple' and prepare to really enjoy yourself with the Facebook posting of the story of a farm-raised girl whose family and friends, including her CUNT of a matron of honor, wouldn't cough up $1500 each for her to have her dream Kardashian wedding. It's a hoot.

r137, sorry I don't have a Twitter account. Would you be so kind to elaborate? What caused Milo to go on that social media rant? Who is he addressing?

Something really sinister has been going on in West Virginia. I’ll get some links together but it ain’t pretty.

The federal SDNY prosecutors flipped Allen Weisselberg solely on the hush-money payments. They used Weisselberg's immunity to convince Michael Cohen to plead guilty.

The New York state attorney general is investigating the Trump Foundation. Weisselberg was treasurer of the foundation. Evidence from the investigation could lead to state criminal charges against Trump and his children. Since Weisselberg is criminally exposed as the former treasurer, he could be flipped and forced to testify against the Trump family. Trump has no control over state legal actions. He cannot stop the investigation, prevent indictments and convictions, or pardon his family and himself. Buy industrial quantities for popcorn from Costco. This is going to be very entertaining.

This is what started it:

West Virginia House Votes To Impeach All 4 State Supreme Court Justices

You don't need a twitter account R138 - I don't have one either - but you can read other people's twitter posts, the replies to them and so on without one. That, and these threads, is where I get most of my info. But basically he is just whining about how much it costs him to support freedom and no-one appreciates him and he never gets any credit for playing a big role in getting Trump elected. Then finishes with 'I'm not a victim'. But it's worth clicking on the link to read it in full if you feel like a lot of self pity from a totally useless fuckwit.

All in the family....

FYI when you link to MSN.com, no preview comes up.

r142, I was able to read Milos's message, but when I click, what I assume, are the responses link to that twitter post Twitter asks me to register.

Damn, I apologize. Please disregard my comment at r146. For some reason now I am able to see and read the replies.

So, R140: the limited scope of immunity granted to Weisselberg was clever. It gave prosecutors leverage over Cohen, who has now stated under oath that Trump committed illegal acts, and it leaves Weisselberg open to additional pressure from State and federal prosecutors.

McCain died.

r148 That is correct. The SDNY has a long history of prosecuting organized criminal enterprises like the Trump family. They know exactly how to use offers of immunity.

R.I.P.

Maybe he can haunt his buddy the Senatrice.

I meant to post this at the time, but yesterday Nicolle Wallace said she heard that the Senatrice’s support of Trump had recently lead to some turmoil in his relationship with McCain. (Or maybe “upheaval” was the word...I can’t remember.) In any case, the way that she said it, it sounded personal and serious.

A Senatrice scorned may just say “fuck it” and roll up to the funeral in a suit rather than the full Victorian mourning attire we had expected, and that is a shame.

The correct term is Senatrix, not Senatrice. Miss Lindsey knows a lot about tricks.

Jan Brewer is being interviewed on FOX right now. One of the biggest cunts of all time!!

Trump is officially not invited to McCain’s funeral.

Obama and GWB will give eulogies.

r155 Has Jan reached complete senility yet? Is she drooling on herself?

What’s she at the slot machine?

The Three Illegal Acts That May Have Helped Trump Win the Presidency:

I’m sure it’s more than 3.

Well then I withdraw the question, r136. The last thing I want is to be "violated" by the Orange Menace.

[quote]Trump is officially not invited to McCain’s funeral.

[quote]Obama and GWB will give eulogies.

All three of those bullet points are pretty classy. Especially such a show of respect for Obama after everything.

I bet the Senatrice has needed her smelling salts after discovering she was out of the will.

Will Melania go instead, or are all Trumps barred from the McCain funeral?

How funny that the "So many threads" troll hasn't figured out that this thread is a stealth McCain death thread in disguise.

I'm sure Cindy McCain probably doesn't want her there.

Will Sarah Palin go is the bigger question.

Breaking news: Trump so likes the “catch & kill” actions by his favorite paper, that he’s asked Jeff Sessions to apply it to immigrants from Mexico.

Roger said Mueller will indict Trump, oh how I wish he would.

[quote]Trump is officially not invited to McCain’s funeral. // Obama and GWB will give eulogies.

Now I'm going to have to change my underwear. These are sticky. *giggle*

[quote] R32: So, when this is all over … how will the United States punish Russia?

How about seize all US property owned by absentee Russian nationals? Even if some innocent people take a hit, that’s how you apply pressure to a corrupt regime.

That's an interesting idea, r169.

I don't want the biographies of McCain to gloss over his many, many faults, and the fictions he told about his life.

But one thing does need to be made perfectly clear: In turning the Steele Dossier over to the FBI, he may ultimately have literally saved this country.

Yeah, but let's also not forget who McCain is. He repeatedly voted with Dotard and also this:

^^Still - it was a pretty funny joke.

I read Roger Stone said Mueller will indict Trump JUNIOR, for lying to the feds, not the President.

That's not the end of the line.

We’re in a brief lull so I’m just throwing this in from the Trump had a bastard with his Columbia’s Housekeeper thread (or whatever it’s called):

you’re getting hotter!!!! He did INDEED say that, and if memory serves, he even said he liked to tape himself talking to the husbands of women he fucked and he would poke at them on tape, “your wife looks like she’d be an animal in bed. You think she’s an animal in bed? Your wife like to fuck a lot, John?” Of a man whose wife he had fucked. He would TAPE that. I read that in the David Cay Johnston book, correct author and title escape me. Author is chubby with a beard, has won Pulitzer’s and did a great bio on Trump, he’s researched him for 20 years and he’s the first one to receive DJT’s “tax return” — which he believes was sent directly by Donnie last year because it was from a tax year where you couldn’t spot some of the tax law loopholes he’s used. The author is an expert in tax law which is part of why he’s studied Trump for so long, he’s fascinated by his shenanigans.

The doorman is young but the story was still circulating while he was employed at Trump Tower, which also smells to me of truth. If it was made up decades ago, how is that story still in circulation? Most likely answer is that there are real players, and that keeps this gossip going...

Now here’s my juicy gossip to add that no one has mentioned (the Broidy thing is FOR SURE a John Edwards style cover-up for a Trump abortion). Here it is......he no longer even owns TRUMP TOWER!!! That’s right, his name is in big fat fucking brass ugly letters, but Russher actually “owns” that building because of King Midas’ knack for debt. Just remember, you read that right here on the DL first!!! And I DO think his loser cult will care — it REEKS of being a loser, it’s pretty hard to spin being a successful business man whose signature piece of real estate is mother fucking owned by Vlad & Co. How the fuck do you spin THAT? It will be quite challenging for them lolololololol.......

R169 that’s a great idea.

BURN IT TO THE GROUND!

R177, it’s patented!

I thought the people in the building ask that the name be changed? I have no idea why anyone would even considered buying in that building.

R180, I wouldn’t spend a dollar in a Trump building. I don’t care if he just licensed his name on it, that’s too much as it is. Not one cent.

Oh, Trump Junior? Better than nothing.

Dump really went after McCain. Now that he is dead, and Obama and W will give eulogies with Dump not invited, I wonder if some will take stock of their morality and lack of patriotism? LOL who am I kidding the Repugs are completely immoral in every way.

Is Roger Stone next?

R176 "he no longer even owns TRUMP TOWER!!!"

Thanks for that. I don't want you to think it slipped by unnoticed.

Today I heard a Republican on MSNBC brushing off questions about trumps crimes by defending him citing the economy, jobs blah blah blah. When I hear those idiots I want to scream, "so you buy your cars from car thieves because your getting what you want no matter that it comes from a criminal? That makes you an accomplice to a crime!" It pisses me off so much.

Jerry Orbach fell out of Trump's favour when he called him out on cheating on his wife during the 90s.

Trump will murder Omarosa before the funeral just to upstage the casket dance for McCain.

Breaking..... Baron to attend funeral. He’ll be wearing Alexander McQueen.

Is "your cunty mother" (great name, btw) have a track record of being right?

There has been a rush out the doors of the House of Representatives by Republicans who are inexplicably not running for reelection.

Has it been the same for Republican Senators? It doesn't seem like it.

Why?

R191 Great observation. Curious indeed.

[quote] Has it been the same for Republican Senators? It doesn't seem like it. Why?

Because of the difference in the election cycles. While all 435 members of the House of Representatives are up for election every two years, only one third of the Senate is. There are 33 seats up in November and of those only eight are held by Republicans. Two of those Repubs are retiring. So, while it may not seem like the same "run for the doors" phenomenon is happening in the Senate, percentage wise two of eight is one quarter of the Rethug Senators up for reelection is good and probably on par or better than the House. Would love it if there were more, obviously.

If you could ask a question in the briefing room, what would you ask and why?

[quote] citing the economy, jobs

Thanks, Obama!

I's all about Miss Ward.....

Welp, time for Trump and family to pull a Snowden and fly to Sheremetyevo International Airport. They can just board one of their own company planes.

B best, Kell...

I read that Jared and Ivanka have property in Israel. They cannot be turned away. Not sure about extradition?

Saudi's would take the rest of them?

I would be a lot more of their money has been moved to Switzerland.

Seeing commentaries whereby McCain and Lindsey developed a strained relationship during McCain's remaining months. Lindsey turning into a rabid Trump sycophant must have deeply disappointed McCain.

Regarding the retiring members of the GOP.....the saddest part about it is that those running to replace them in the GOP are a bunch of extremist nutjobs that make those leaving look sane.

[quote]Seeing commentaries whereby McCain and Lindsey developed a strained relationship during McCain's remaining months. Lindsey turning into a rabid Trump sycophant must have deeply disappointed McCain.

Link, please? Would love to read that!

R199, Isreal does have an extradition treaty with the US. If they were to flee prosecution I could see them heading to one of the rich Arab oil states.

[quote]Lindsey turning into a rabid Trump sycophant must have deeply disappointed McCain.

Don't be ridiculous. He was never disappointed in ME!

Is Cindy McCain the mother of that fat one of “The View”?

[quote] Isreal does have an extradition treaty with the US. If they were to flee prosecution I could see them heading to one of the rich Arab oil states.

Does a treaty mean they have to extradite? I always wondered if Jared made the embassy in Jerusalem thing happen to guarantee Uncle Bibi would take care of him once everything hit the fan.

They'll go to Dubai.

Poetic justice if they end up broke and living in a shithole country.

R206, no, extradition isn’t automatic. There is a whole legal process to follow, and political considerations sometimes come into play.

I believe the rumors on the interwebs today that Jr. will be indicted this week.

I’d like to see more about it as well, r202. This is all that I heard, at 12:20.

Junior Mint is up for indictment. He apparently lied to the FBI. Also, his sworn testimony before Congress was false.

Kimberly Guilfoyle may see him as sweetness, but the Mueller investigators and FBI may not.

Everyone is saying Junior is up next.

The only question that remains is whether it is going to be before or after the midterms.

From David Frum...

Republican congressmen are criminals, so they are leaving in droves, hoping they won't have to pay for a lawyer. The Republican party is every bit as nasty and corrupt as I thought they were. Kind of extraordinary.

Pecker buying and suppressing salacious stories involving Trump, particularly during the election year; plus running false, nasty stories on a few GOP primary candidates plus HRC, is quite disgusting. Hopefully giving him immunity will be worth it, and he discloses truth about everything: and the full content of what was in that safe was turned over to Mueller's investigators. Cohen could know if Pecker is holding back.

When I heard Jim Carrey had painted a portrait of Lindsey Graham, I was really hoping it would be of him with a hoop skirt and parasol.

It would be utterly delectable if Don Jr is indicted this week.

If Mueller were to indict Traitor Tot this week, it would send Cheatolini into a blind fury and rage. That might even prompt him to start firing people over at DOJ.

Jason Chaffetz seems to be a forgotten character in this whole saga. He abruptly resigned from Congress shortly after re-election, then became a Fox News contributor. His reason for resigning was vague, and spoke about having more family time.

He was aggressively involved in investigating HRC, and was an early Trump supporter. Comey disclosed little about his conversations with Chaffetz when Comey was doing the HRC Email pronouncements.

Something was very strange about Chaffetz's actions.

R219, that would add to the coming obstruction charges on DJT Sr.

R220/R221

R200, you varmint! Can you please let a girl mourn in peace? You are getting this Southern Lady's Irish up, and I just want to sit with my gold-lit memories of Big Daddy McCain. You could never understand the subtle beauty of our peculiar love. We had to let go before the end, as his wife had the honor of his deathbed.

I assume that Trump will refrain from tweeting about John McCain’s passing?

I like Amy Klobuchar (watching her AM Joy appearance) but she really needs to invest in some teeth whitening.

r201 While you are correct, their votes would be nearly identical. Let the Repugs get even more extreme as it will just turn off even more voters.

[quote]I assume that Trump will refrain from tweeting about John McCain’s passing?

Hardly. He extended his sympathies to McCain's family, but didn’t say a single word about McCain himself.

I suppose we have to give him points for not tweeting: "Sympathies to the family of John 'Not A Hero' McCain, the loser who saved Obamacare which everyone hates. Sad."

[quote]I read that Jared and Ivanka have property in Israel

I have no doubt that the minute Junior Mint goes down, the next sound we'll hear will be that of jet engines as Jared and Ivanka hightail it the fuck outta here.

Trump has said nicer things about Putin and Kim than he has about McCain after his death. Trump followed his pathetic “condolences” tweet with rants about his usual topics and then went golfing. No official WH statement, at least several hours after the tributes started. In the face of trump being such a terrible president, it should never be overlooked that he is also a fucking terrible human being.

Apologies if this has already been posted. Don, Jr. is in big trouble.

“The FBI has obtained wiretaps of a Putin ally tied to the NRA who met with Trump Jr. during the campaign.”

Oh, fuck, that’s from May.

When we finally rid ourselves of the cancer that is Trump, we need to insist that whoever is in power convene an American equivalent of The French Vichy Trials and root out all of the traitors who obstructed and conspired with this national disgrace. Its the only way we will ever reclaim our democracy.

amen

R229, I wonder if that's Traitor Tot's 'Oh shit!' face?

Thats his "Im gonna shit" face.

He's been tweeting a lot about firing Sessions.

I'm pretty sure Trump is going to pardon Manafort. Like a petulant and greedy child, he doesn't really care about the cost of anything.

Never forget that Cadet Bone Spurs continues to claim that EVERY ONE of his tax returns SINCE 20FUCKING09 is being audited.

Think about that. Whether the statement is 100% false, 50% true, or completely true, there's something nefarious underlying those returns.

Donald Trump Jr. worried? Nawh, he's focused on condemning men who wear "Lacy Lingerie".

The audacity of Junior Mint rendering fascist statements; declaring what undergarments must be worn.

Miss Lindsey, this should be personal for you.

r231, it is the power of Congressional subpoena and investigation.

R194! Post your invitation again. The denizens have been distracted.

Will there be a point in time where all the living Presidents (and fingers crossed HW Bush left a video message), all the living VP's and perhaps other big wigs come out with a damning statement against Dump?

Or better yet, they should all start hanging out all the time.

Dump has not been invited to McCain's funeral, he will not be invited to HW Bush's funeral and wasn't welcomed at Bab's funeral (though Presidents rarely go to former FL's funerals).

This comic seemed appropriate...

[quote] Will there be a point in time where all the living Presidents (and fingers crossed HW Bush left a video message), all the living VP's and perhaps other big wigs come out with a damning statement against Dump?

All the VP's EXCEPT Pence.

[Quote] #fuckyou you Trump hating cunt! How's the old career going, he he he.

[Quote] How’s the career going? My tour is making millions!

r239.....it goes much deeper than that....it would expose and punish all the co conspirators in government...congressman, Senators, judges, gov. employees. You essentially do a deep cleansing. Any person who obstructed, assisted, spread intentional propaganda, financed, covered up for, etc....this attempted coup of our democracy. Look up.... The Vichy Trials. France cleaned house to rid itself of nazi sympathizers and collaborators. People were executed, imprisoned for life, and stripped of their civil rights.

^^^ for betraying their country.^^^

From Axios this morning>>>

Congressional Republicans are getting ready for hell.

Axios has obtained a spreadsheet that's circulated through Republican circles on and off Capitol Hill — including at least one leadership office — that meticulously previews the investigations Democrats will likely launch if they flip the House.

Why this matters: Publicly, House Republicans are putting on a brave face about the midterms. But privately, they are scrambling to prepare for the worst. This document, which catalogs requests Democrats have already made, is part of that effort.

It has churned Republican stomachs. Here are some of the probes it predicts:

President Trump’s tax returns

Trump family businesses — and whether they comply with the Constitution's emoluments clause, including the:

Chinese trademark grant to the Trump Organization

Trump's dealings with Russia, including the president's preparation for his meeting with Vladimir Putin

The payment to Stephanie Clifford — a.k.a. Stormy Daniels

James Comey's firing

Trump's firing of U.S. attorneys

Trump's proposed transgender ban for the military

Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin's business dealings

White House staff's personal email use

Cabinet secretary travel, office expenses, and other misused perks

Discussion of classified information at Mar-a-Lago

Jared Kushner's ethics law compliance

Dismissal of members of the EPA board of scientific counselors

The travel ban

Family separation policy

Hurricane response in Puerto Rico

Election security and hacking attempts

White House security clearances

The spreadsheet — which I'm told originated in a senior House Republican office — catalogs more than 100 formal requests from House Democrats this Congress, spanning nearly every committee.

The spreadsheet includes requests for administration officials to be grilled by committee staff, requests for hearings to obtain sworn testimony, efforts to seize communications about controversial policies and personnel decisions, and subpoena threats.

These demands would turn the Trump White House into a 24/7 legal defense operation.

The bottom line: Thanks to their control of Congress, Republicans have blocked most of the Democrats’ investigative requests. But if the House flips, the GOP loses its power to stymie. Lawyers close to the White House tell me the Trump administration is nowhere near prepared for the investigatory onslaught that awaits them, and they consider it among the greatest threats to his presidency. [End of Axios]

=========================== DL, I would add investigations into Roherbacher, Nunez, Chafetz and Gowdy.

The problem is going to be that, even with Dems working 24/7/365, it's going to take twelve years to investigate these fucking criminals.

It will give the next Democratic president cover to get things done.

And add, a major inquiry into Kellyanne's flappers.

Of course, the Republicans could have avoided this if they'd been more loyal to their country than their party.

The nice folks at Medium have been diving down rabbit holes for us. If you find the article hard to follow, there's a timeline toward the end that helps.

[quote]You Can’t Make This Shit Up: A $511M Fuel Tax Credit Fraud Indictment in Utah Connects a Polygamous Mormon Cult to Mike Flynn, TrumpRussia, and Transnational Organized Crime

[quote]The Kingston Group in Utah is in bed with the Russian/Armenian mob. They do business together in Turkey and connect to the Special Counsel’s investigation into the 2016 election and other investigations.

Brilliant r252

Twitter's @ninaandtito gives some dynamite reporting, and I don't mean what happened to Daphne Galizias

R250/R251

No No the biggest problem r249, is that our country is composed of far more morons than anybody realized. If we don't take back the house, democracy is over.

I just watched another news show. The talking heads were speculating about Lindsay Graham. Why is he suddenly sidling up with Trump? (re-election?)

Why do these people continue to give Graham and others like him the benefit of the doubt? Why doesn't anyone suggest what we DL'ers assume is obvious>

Some Russian has a safe. And in that safe is a photograph of Lindsay Graham with a dick in his mouth! Duh!!

I do get sick of the press giving certain pols so much airtime. Enough. Graham is so yesterday. Who cares what he thinks? He was only interesting when he was paired with McCain.

R248, I hope the Dems also look into Manafort's treason and the right-wing's culpability for the Russian invasion of Crimea.

Feodosia, the Black Sea resort town in Ukraine’s Russian-dominated Crimean Peninsula, is usually a peaceful place .. For Lt. Colonel Tom Doman, Feodosia was a shitshow from the minute his detachment of 113 reserve Marines and sailors arrived there in the dark on the morning of May 27, 2006.

“We had rocks thrown at us. Rocks hit Marines. Buses were rocked back and forth. We were just trying to get to our base,” Doman, the Marines’ executive officer, told me and my colleagues last year.

The Marines had been sent in as an advance party for an upcoming NATO military exercise, part of a blossoming in relations between Ukraine and the United States. In addition to constructing facilities for the exercise, the Marines were coming prepared to do some civil affairs work for the local population. “Ukraine wanted to come into NATO. We were trying to build our relations,” Doman said. “It was a total surprise we would get that type of [reception].”

Inconveniently for Manafort, there may exist evidence that the unrest was no surprise to him.

“As I reported last year, American officials remain convinced that the attacks on Marines in Feodosia were organized by the mob-connected, Kremlin-friendly Party of Regions, which was then trying to restore its influence in the region with Paul Manafort’s help.

In short: An American citizen who helped elect a conservative president with a strong patriotic, pro-military message was on the payroll of a foreign group that the U.S. government believes directly threatened its military personnel and undermined its foreign policy. Ukrainian officials and some former U.S. diplomats I’ve spoken to are convinced that Manafort knew about, and possibly helped plan, the anti-American protests.”

The Marines eventually had to abscond under cover of darkness to escape unscathed, George W. Bush scrapped further efforts to bring Ukraine into the NATO alliance, and Yanukovych, with the help of Manafort and pro-Russian fervor fueled by the attacks in Crimea, was elected Ukraine’s President... after which Russia annexed the Ukrainian province.

Has even one journalist asked Graham directly about his change of stance, with video examples?

agreed r260

.

r248

I think that the people need to be the media for a while until they get their shit together. It’s up to us.

Take some online journalism classes. Get people on record. Bring reciepts!

260, doesn’t that implicate Tad Devine (and associate Bernie Sanders) as well?

R264, it may have. I haven't seen any reporting on that yet, though.

Devine again?

Give it a rest.

How many devices do you have for crying out loud already.

He has immunity so go scream at wind elsewhere. We don’t need to hear about Bernie again for as long as we live which is not long enough.

Lanny Davis has fucked up big time

Links or it didn’t happen, people.

Why was The Enquirer allowed to print so many vicious lies about Hillary, week after week?? Just vicious lies and everyone just accepted it. Cnn and MSNBC never came to her aid...they just allowed Trump and his supporters to libel her week after week...I blame the bastards for what happened to our country. Trump is criminal sewage and the media never reported the truth about him. Now it is just too late.

R270 I think because supposedly no intelligent, world-read, thinking person takes anything The Enquirer writes seriously. No one protested it because they felt it they didn't need to dignify it. No credibility.... Turned out to be a big mistake! The constant headlines mapping supermarket shelves alone sunk into people's subconscious's. It could somewhat explain so many people's irrational hatred of Hillary, when there's no evidence she ever did anything so bad as to deserve it.

The big irony is this: All the stories they published about Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Ted Cruz, etc, were all completely made up and false. The very definition of fake news stories. But all the stories they uncovered about Donald Trump and buried? The "catch and kill"? Those were all true!!!! Kind of a reverse First Amendment.

Why would Graham sell his soul to the Devil? Honestly, Graham must be, being blackmailed by someone in Russia or maybe a lousy Trump supporter.

You know, for years after Carol Burnett sued the Enquirer and won, they stopped printing stories that were blatantly, provably false. Then they started again. Hillary has better things to do, but she could sue them and win in court.

So the media has decided Miss Lindzey is the "go to guy" for personal, expert analysis on both Donald Trump and the late John McCain? Nobody is asking her about those golf outings with DJT and her motives for attacking federal investigators.

Graham is being used, for sure. Either he does it willingly (promised something precious in return) or he is being blackmailed. But why would Graham let himself get blackmailed this late in life? He should just come forward and say what the blackmailers have on him and then retire. I mean how many years does he think he has left? He should look at his buddy McCain. Tick-tock.

The dot connector is the NRA money.

Also I am sure that Butina is just one of many spies Russia sent the GOP's way. I am sure there are some male spies willing to let their dicks get sucked by the likes of Graham while filming the whole thing. And yeah, the GOP is greedy but also weak in other ways, too (racism, closet cases, mistresses, abortions, secret societies / statanic cults, pedophilia, etc.).

The fact that McCain will be lying in state; and will rightly be accorded a grand funeral attended by former Presidents, and luminaries various - has of course to get under the great pretender's worthless skin.

The occasion will of course (again rightly) in all the eulogies cast its woeful light on the prevailing decadence. It cannot be otherwise. Such symbolism is in fact rather astonishing in its timing.

The only question is quite how the shameless pretender will try to pull focus. No doubt his terrified handlers will seek any means possible to distract those itchy sociopathic tweeting thumbs.

You can bet that Trump is trying to trump (no pun intended) the funeral with some big stunt and draw the attention back to him.

And after the funeral - Manafort 2 begins

Lindsay Graham and the Big Flip. Maybe it's just the simplest reason: he's a bad person. Corrupt, venal, whatever. He was just able to put a smooth veneer over it while there was a reasonably sane person in the WH but now his true personality emerges.

r270, it's not the press and the media's job to defend HIllary against any claims made against her; that's up to Hillary's own people and Hillary herself.

The press is supposed to be there just to ask questions; and even more importantly, follow up questions, to try to discern the truth for the American people. Ideally they are not there to take either side.

However, nothing today is very ideal, is it?

[quote]Has even one journalist asked Graham directly about his change of stance

One assumes it's a wide stance.

Thanks OP For the new thread!!!

Did anyone else hear that Traitor prevented the WH from making a statement about McCain despite their urging?

R285 Yes. Is anyone surprised that he would do something like that?

No, R282 but it's also not their job to be repeatedly covering news about HRC that they knew was false either.

Rick Wilson:

When people in the WH leak to *me* about how bad the McCain statement/flag shitshow has become with President Man-Baby, you know it's bad.

New episode, Malcolm Nance and Greg Proops

A most recent poll indicates Trump's favorability numbers remain basically unchanged.

While the Republican party numbers are shrinking, those remaining retain fervor for Trump. Beyond Kasich and a few others who are basically sidelined in terms of party power, there is no one in the party to challenge Trump head-on. (WSJ poll last week; 42% approve, 52% disapprove).

Only Democrats (not third parties, socialists groups,, independent candidates, etc.) can bring Trump down (beyond Mueller's findings). Democrats need to soberly realize the challenge ahead to prevent further encroachment of fascism. It is certainly doable, but will not be a mellow fight. Democrats need huge mid-terms gains, including a national campaign to flip the Senate which will be a very tough challenge.

^NBC/WSJ - 44% approve - within margin of error

(correction)

^^ lagging indicator

Hey...why didn’t I get immunity like my exact counterpart at the Enquirer, David Pecker?

Not fair!

Since I’m not at the table, does this mean I’m on the menu?

Harvey always has Daddy Porn as a backup career if things go south.

What did Levin ever do that deserved a karmic wrath of which the likes of have never been seen?

Oh, that’s right. Carry on.

Let’s see those servers!

When they go low.....

A family that grifts together, stays together.

Eric Trump: The Abortion that Lived

His poll numbers are tied to the economy, a normal president with this stock market and economy would be closer to 60%+.

Gummy Eric, didn't pursue a way to become removed from the shady activities.

Cabinet members were chosen based apparently on greed and interest conflicts. Only 2 or 3 of the cabinet members haven't shown to be unethical.

YET r301.

YET.

Only 28% claim to be Republican. So that is 42% of 28%.

And yet r303 the media claims that the nation is divided on Trump and we need to listen to the Deplorables what they have to say! And we shouldn't get them mad!

R303 it's smaller than that isn't it? I thought the poll was of paid-up party members. Presumably the membership roll is somewhat smaller than the number of likely GOP voters?

WSJ alert: USDA to make $4.7 billion in payments to farmers to offset trade losses, with soybean farmers receiving the bulk

Isn't his base only like 20% of the electorate? That he has a rock solid 20% behind him? And that 90% of Republicans fully support him? Can someone reconcile these numbers for me? What do they mean?

So basically he's giving free money to farmers and totally deregulating coal - with possible subsidies for coal.

R307, I'm not sure, but it looks like 42% of the population as a whole approve.

Glenn Greenwald article in the New Yorker. Haven't read it yet. Are the lionizing him?

r306, given that this is Trump I'd follow that money. I would be very suprised if that money does reach mom and pop's (soy bean) farmers.

R311, I think it actually is reaching them - it's basically a bribe for November. If it were any other time, I'm sure it'd be pocketed by random grifters.

Or it wouldn't be offered at all. Is this an ongoing payment while the tariffs are in plac or a one time deal?

R313, it's like the one from July, I think.

So he causes a crisis for these farmers, and it turns into a huge money pit for us.

If the New Yorker is lionizing Greenwald, I will never buy another copy.

[quote]Can someone reconcile these numbers for me? What do they mean?

The Republicans who don't like him and who understand the danger he represents are leaving the party. The deplorables who remain make up an increasing portion of their roster.

Is that info about Eric and the charity new? I thought we heard about this during the election.

[quote] R285: Did anyone else hear that Traitor prevented the WH from making a statement about McCain despite their urging?

Traitor simply does not know the difference between being “strong”, and being petty, or fearful, or for that matter, being weak. Everything is opposite world with him. It’s truly mind boggling.

Just saw a thread of people honoring McCain and talking about how he should be remembered as a hero despite voting with Dotard for 83% of the time. Someone cited that he should be regaled for taking a stand (along with the two others) against the repeal of Obamacare... and then someone promptly reminded everyone that the only reason he didn't vote for it was a procedural thing and that was the only reason. If they had gone about it properly he would have voted for it.

I completely forgot about that.

McCain was pretty far right, let's not forget it. He was just from a different time when Senator's worked together.

R319 But the whole point was if the bill to repeal Obamacare had gone through the proper Senate procedures it would have been held up in committee or get watered down. The Republicans were rushing it through to give Trump a "victory" and McCain slapped them down. I think it took courage to go against the mad herd especially when it was supposed to be his own herd.

The death of McCain is the death of the old-school, patriotic Republican party. That is what a lot of people are mourning. Yes, many old-style Republicans were not great people, but they were not spineless sell-outs.

Hopefully another "flipper" before his 2nd trial in Sep:

So Dump fucks up the tariff shit, gives huge bailouts to the farmers in "key" areas of the country. They would be furious if Obama had done likewise. Why give this treasonous asshat any cover? Where are the fiscally conservative Repugs flipping out over this?

The whole flag fiasco today should be the final straw for many. There are no words to describe how he could fuck this up. If this doesn't reveal his true character, which will never change and is dangerous, to some of the few sane supporters he has left then nothing will change their minds. Truly disgusting. No words, really.

Still disagree re: McCain and his Obama Care vote. I think the two women who voted against it were brave.

The American Legion had to shame that mother fucker into lowering the flags for McCain. Trump is seriously a 12 year old mean girl with a grudge.

R326 Dotard an't play nice with anyone. Totally socially inept.

Pundits were saying that the fact that Dotard caved re: McCain and the American Legion says it's bad times for him and he knows he's fucked.

Dotard needs a time-out. Go stand in the corner.

Apparently the Manafort potential flip was being discussed before the verdict of the first trial. If anything, he should be more keen since the verdict...

But what have we here?...some tweets from Trump saying he was a fine person and didnt deserve blah blah blah. I guess the mouse is going back in the hole to wait for his pardon.

Did he do the flag nonsense as an attempt at distraction, or is he really that petty? Or both.

Text WAIT to 43700 to demand Senate Republicans postpone Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination hearings until AFTER Mueller finishes his investigation into Trump’s Russian ties.

The flag nonsense was a signal to Manafort to hold on, the pardon is coming.

Watch the idiot pardon him for the tax and bank fraud. And then he'll have to do it all over again for unregistered foreign agent treason. Right before midterms.

He'll pardon him on the day of McCain's funeral.

Does this mean that the veterans finally got a backbone when it comes to this administration?

[quote]Does this mean that the veterans finally got a backbone when it comes to this administration?

Of course not.

The fact that Trump had to be forced into lowering the flag makes the act meaningless. It's not a sign of respect for the dead, it's the sullen acquiescence of a petulant child.

Of course it is and now almost everyone knows exactly what he is

Is Lindsey getting back to attacking federal investigators and doing more of Trump's bidding to push out Sessions? Lindsey is appearing tonight again on Fox's Hannity.

Lindsey, for tommorow morning is booked for the Today Show and Fox and Friends. Lindsey is quite busy before the cameras and is in high demand by the media.

Lindsey's tweet announcement has some interesting comments.

Lawdy! They are ripping our dear Senatrice to pieces on her twitter account.

Does Lindsey do any work these days?

Opinion

Why It Can Happen Here

We’re very close to becoming another Poland or Hungary.

By Paul Krugman

Aug. 27, 2018

...

[quote] Many Trump critics celebrated last week’s legal developments, taking the Manafort conviction and the Cohen guilty plea as signs that the walls may finally be closing in on the lawbreaker in chief. But I felt a sense of deepened dread as I watched the Republican reaction: Faced with undeniable evidence of Trump’s thuggishness, his party closed ranks around him more tightly than ever.

[quote] A year ago it seemed possible that there might be limits to the party’s complicity, that there would come a point where at least a few representatives or senators would say, no more. Now it’s clear that there are no limits: They’ll do whatever it takes to defend Trump and consolidate power.

...

The fuck we will become a Hungary or Poland. There are more of us than them. Conservatives will get their ass handed to them AGAIN in another civil war.

The End of Impunity

What Democrats can do with subpoena power.

Michelle Goldberg

Aug. 27, 2018

[quote] This culture of impunity is less a result of Trump’s political skill — he’s deeply unpopular — than of one-party rule. The majority of voters want a check on this administration, but the Republican Party doesn’t care; it’s beholden to a minority that delights in the helplessness of fellow citizens. If Democrats take the House in the November midterms — which the model of the statistics website FiveThirtyEight gives them about a 70 percent chance of doing — that helplessness ends. Contrary to Republican claims, there are no Democratic plans for imminent impeachment proceedings. But there will be subpoenas, hearings and investigations. Things that haven’t mattered for the past 19 months suddenly will.

This part of R344:

[quote] ... a minority that delights in the helplessness of fellow citizens

How is this not pure evil?

Why is the Senatrice taking a shitkicking on her Twitter?

Frustration With Racism Is Coming to the Ballot Box

A new poll shows people of color feel disrespected and fed up — and they stand to influence many of the most competitive House races.

By Derrick Johnson

Mr. Johnson is the president and chief executive of the N.A.A.C.P.

Aug. 27, 2018

... This poll, a survey conducted for the N.A.A.C.P. by the African-American Research Collaborative, Latino Decisions and Asian Decisions, analyzed the views of African-American, white, Latino, Asian-American and Native American voters in 61 of the nation’s most competitive midterm races. We found that African-Americans stand to play a key role in 21 of these races, making up from 7 to 24 percent of the voting-age population. In 31 of the key races, voters of color represent 20 to 78 percent of the voting-age population and are positioned to have a significant impact.

Based on this, we expect their perceptions of Mr. Trump’s racism and his party’s acceptance of it will motivate them to cast votes for Democratic candidates.

According to the survey, 77 percent of blacks believe Mr. Trump’s statements and policies will set race relations back. Of white voters, 51 percent feel this way, while 75 percent of Latinos, 75 percent of Asians and 64 percent of Native Americans agree.

Eighty-one percent of black respondents were angry at Mr. Trump for something he has said or done, while 61 percent of whites felt the same. Unsurprisingly, the poll also revealed that 82 percent of black voters felt disrespected by something Mr. Trump has said or done, while only half of white voters did.

Among black people, Mr. Trump’s rhetoric and policies tended more to create negative emotions, with survey respondents associating them with words like “angry,” “disrespected,” “ashamed” and “afraid.”

... Whether we look at the Justice Department’s pushing back against consent decrees to rein in police misconduct, Mr. Trump’s nearly all white and male judicial nominees, or the Education Department’s decision to pull back on investigations of civil rights cases, we see a pattern that devalues the gains that many earned through the ultimate sacrifice. It would seem that Mr. Trump’s White House is engaged in none other than a war against civil rights.

We have waged war against the foes of civil rights for over 109 years, and, as such, perseverance in this fight inspires no fear in us. But if voters of color, along with white voters who see what we’ve experienced during this presidency, take their frustration to the ballot box, we can win the next battle.

I would love to meet Ivanka Trump just once, just to look her in the eye and say: You must be so ashamed.

She knows. No matter how she rationalizes it, she knows.

New episode, they debate Democrats talking about impeachment in advance of November's elections. Formal debate; they're assigned positions and must argue for them.

I think I concluded from this that it makes sense to talk about impeachment where one's district is clamoring for it. But it's best not to discuss that in more conservative districts (e.g., Conor Lamb's).

R348...dont delude yourself....she is just as guilty as the rest of them and has her fair share of involvement is some of these schemes....she isnt Trumps favorite for nothing.

House Forecast (note the included information selection tool on the left).

Agreed, she's Trump or Don Jr. in a slinky dress.

[quote]House Forecast (note the included information selection tool on the left).

The 2 out of 3 chance that Dana Rohrbacher loses is delightful.

r347 We are ALL fed up and ready to show up at the ballot box.

I am sick of people trying to get the Dems to talk impeachment. They will do the right thing when the time comes. They've done well when each individual candidate runs the race they want to run in their districts.

Yes, r353, we should all donate to the DCCC and/or directly to the Harley Rouda campaign!

If it turns out that they win back the House, it'll be such a sweet night.

If not, it'll be like election night 2016. Just dread at every turn.

Kind of breaking news at the link: North Carolina’s gerrymandered map is unconstitutional, judges rule, and may have to be redrawn before midterms

Christ....some of those districts must be out of their fucking minds....Duncan Hunter has a 9:10 chance of winning....Devin Nunes ? Dont these people pay attention ?

[quote]Christ....some of those districts must be out of their fucking minds....Duncan Hunter has a 9:10 chance of winning....Devin Nunes ? Dont these people pay attention ?

I doubt the polls of Hunter were done prior to the indictment.

However, he'll still probably win.

If Duncan Hunter is convicted and possibly sent to prison, I guess the new California governor will pick his replacement?

Not how it works for the House. That requires an election.

r359 Don't they have a special election? No replacements.

And that means Jessica Fletcher getting to fill in as an appointment to one of Maine's House seats deserves a place in the Murder, She Wrote Inconsistencies thread.

No r359....they would have a special election....Govenor only get to appoint Senators

I really hope Mr. Haney gets his ass thrown out. Wouldn't be nice to be rid of him?

Michael Cohen’s lawyer has done real damage to the case against Trump

By Aaron Blake

Senior reporter

August 27 at 2:38 PM

... In a new interview with The Washington Post’s Tom Hamburger and Rosalind S. Helderman, Davis is backing off two massive claims he made in recent weeks, including that former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen has told people he witnessed President Trump being informed of Donald Trump Jr.'s 2016 Trump Tower meeting with a Russian lawyer before it happened.

... Davis also backed off his claim that Cohen has information suggesting that Trump knew in advance about Russian hacking of Democrats’ emails in 2016.

... However this came about, though, it’s damaging to Cohen’s credibility. Davis is his lawyer and spokesman, after all, which means these claims effectively came from Cohen himself. Davis is now trying to take ownership of them and take the blame himself, but the explanations he offers are really difficult to accept, especially given the gravity of the claims.

And that has bearing on both the Russia investigation and whatever problems Trump may encounter from the Southern District of New York’s plea deal with Cohen on a campaign-finance violation (in which Cohen also implicated Trump). Cohen was supposed to be the guy flipping on Trump and telling investigators everything he knows about the skeletons in Trump’s closet. This episode has to make everyone involved wonder whether his claims are all they’re made out to be. Regardless of how you want all of this to shake out, it’s best to base a case around people who won’t undermine it. Cohen wasn’t a fantastic witness before; he’s a worse one now.

...

Also, since it was overwhelming likely that they were going to flip Florida 27th since Ileana Ros-Lehtinin, literally the last respectable Republican in Congress, retired, why did they go with septuagenerian Donna Shalala?

r365 I think they don't want that info out so they are backing off. I bet there is evidence but Mueller doesn't want to show his cards so Davis got his ass chewed out.

r366, so the 'beans would show up to vote?

r357 Yes, they are paying attention. And they don't care. We talk about Deplorables like they're some tiny fraction of Trump's base and that isn't true. He has 88-90% approval from all Republican voters. They are ALL Deplorables, and if somebody is lying, cheating, stealing, murdering, raping or treasoning, as long as that person is a Republican they are fine with it.

Agreed r367.

Is it naive to hope for not only a House flip, but a Senate flip, too?

r371 Not at all. It is very possible. Just vote and get others in those red states to vote Democrat.

There must be a shit ton of evidence against trump. He's so arrogant, and he has gotten away with so much for so long that he probably believed he was untouchable.

Wealthy people get away with too much serious shit. Meanwhile there are people in jail for smoking pot.

AUG. 22, 2018, AT 5:46 AM

Who’s The Biggest Threat To Trump’s Presidency?

Michael Cohen? Paul Manafort? Trump?

Didn't know they have this until today.

If Trump wasn't the president he'd already have been indicted.

Lanny Davis has told Buzzfeed he was the anonymous source who told CNN Cohen would say Trump knew of Trump Tower meeting and he's terribly sorry he lied.

A "person close to his law firm" also told Betsy Woodruff there is no conflict at all about him working with Cohen while also representing Dmtryo Firtash, who is connected to Paul Manafort.

Huge primaries tomorrow! E.g., AZ and FL senate!

Re one Florida candidate for the Dem senate nomination.

A recent poll has O'Rourke within 1% of Cruz.

That's why it's going to be so satisfying when the house of cards collapses, R373. At some point, he's going to wind up too far on that ledge. It could be big, like when the investigation finally is 100 percent at his feet. It could be small, like the natural health risks that a man with his age and shape faces. But make no mistake, ain't nobody gonna be running to help him in his time of need. And he knows it.

All the optimists in this thread, how old are you? Just wondering, not being passive-aggressively judgmental. I want to see if you're older or younger DLers. TIA.

R380 is right, at link.

Reported Today: Why did DNC Chair Perez meet with Bernie Sanders to reduce the power of super delegates? Maybe it will be an improvement, but giving Sanders a power role in determining this is not appropriate. Sanders is not even a Democratic Party member. There are some angry DNC members, in the minority, not pleased how this occurred.

Sanders insurgency was backed by Putin on social media. That's how his rally crowds got expanded. It was all done to facilitate Trump and damage the Democratic nominee.

Sanders opposes Russian sanction. Keep that trouble away...along with Donna Brazille's divisiveness.

I'm 61, trump is going down bigly. I am very curious what will happen to the Republican Party once the dust settles.

What fresh fuckery is this?

I'm R381 and I turn 30 this year.

R385, Which is why it is so important to flip Congress as a Democratic controlled house can subpoena ALL of Mueller's information, report and non report, and THEN release them publicly.

Rachel stated tonight that SDNY is reserving rights to pursue RICO indictments.

RICO!

This is brilliant. One step at a time. Trump should just kill himself.

You would think that the veterans would be tired of being ripped off by the republicans by now. They could be a powerful ally of the democrats.

They should know where their bread is really buttered.

Repugs love to cut benefits and turn their back on vets (unless it’s to make a buck).

They are always trying to privatize everything and give it to their buddies.

All vets should be dems if they know what’s good for them.

The administration is being outwitted by a ghost.

Can this this traveling group of medicine men be rounded up any faster? It’s been 2 years let’s get a move on it.

[quote] You would think that the veterans would be tired of being ripped off by the republicans by now.

You would think, but apparently not. They support an administration that shits on them left and right.

Drunk, R391?

Where’d I lose ya, hon?

All these veterans that are out on the street, republicans just step over them or have them arrested for trespassing.

These people couldn’t even get the president of Mexico on the phone today. How incompetent can you possibly be?

Remember when people were proud to be American?

When will this long, national nightmare come to an end?

A few posters have been thinking along the same lines as I have. Really likely that the NRA is funded by Russian dark money and the Repugs that back Trump have partaken of that money to finance their campaigns.. That puts them up against the ropes in terms of allegiance to the Pres..--so the NRA does indeed connect many of the dots.

I also recall that Manafort was walking the floor at the 2016 Republican National Convention. I bet he bought off (cash) a lot of Repugs up for re-election that year.

The veterans love the conservative Republicans, because they declare themselves to be fiscal responsible, as in granting more money to the military.

In the veterans' minds the Republicans see war and fighting as the best solution to fix problems and the Democrats see negotiation as the best way to fix problems. As veterans they would feel humiliated if they'd be no longer considered heroes but mere pawns for some war mongering profiteers. Like Deplorables they cannot admit that they've been had.

It is quite possible that the reason Mueller doesn't want a deal with Manafort is because Mueller wants as much Russian conspiracy to hit the light of day in open court as possible, prohibiting Trumpublicans from burying it in an unreleased report.

Mueller. Smart man.

The Pee Pee Girls

If the the base of the Republican Party has shrunk, and there are credible reports that it has, then 85% or 95% doesn't mean shit if your talking about 6 people.

The only reason Trump caved in and agreed to grudgingly support efforts to honor McCain is because it was hurting him in Arizona particularly and in general all over the Country among Republicans. I hope they remember that in November and stay home. I know voting for the Democrat might be a bridge too far, but they need to send him a message.

R404 here. Reading my Washington Post and the MAGAs are in full attack mode for McCain calling him a phony, among other things, doing their masters' bidding. Whatever else you may say about McCain he hated Putin and actively worked against him supporting dissidents in Russia for years.

Today I read that Veteran's Affairs policy is being made by members of Mar-a-Lago. Think about that shit..

I'm completely convinced he is a traitor and the only reason anything he does makes sense is to place it in the context of what Putin wants. He wants a weaker America. Trump is a greedy self aggrandizing pig. Whether it's the VA or any other federal department he will enrich himself and his cronies. He will reward greed ad graft in others so a Congressman or cabinet official who is corrupt or a Paul Manafort gets praise from him. In the matter of trade and tariffs, and other foreign policy activities, he will tow the Putin line. Russia and Putin and his oligarchs are the foundation of his Presidency.

Remember the old saying "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link"? The Republicans believe that by cutting off the weakest link they, or their idea of America, gets stronger. The only problem with that is that with each new weakest link they would cut off a new one emerges until there is nothing left of the chain. And people got brainwashed to believe that it is indeed in their own best interest to cut off the weakest link and demonize and shame those representing the weakest link in (American) society. By how? Political pundits and Republican owned media. The constant media exposure and, destroying eductation, and fighting for the right to make the gun industry rich created this toxic enviroment that made POTUS Donald Trump possible.

So sorry... By WHO?

Deadline nears for Mueller to decide whether to retry Manafort on 10 counts in Virginia case

Special counsel Robert Mueller is running out of time to decide whether to retry Paul Manafort on the handful of charges that didn't yield convictions from his bank fraud and tax crime trial.

Federal prosecutors on Mueller's team now have until Wednesday to inform Judge T.S. Ellis whether they plan to try again for guilty verdicts on those remaining counts or whether they will dismiss them from Manafort's indictment.

But legal experts say Mueller's team is unlikely to bother with a retrial.

It’s the Spring Training Primary! Six months after pitchers and catchers first reported to pre-season MLB training camps in Arizona and Florida, local fans report to their polling places on Tuesday to decide some of the most crackerjack primaries of the year. In addition, several Oklahoma primaries that went into extra innings after June 26 will be decided in runoffs. It’s the last big primary night of the year; play ball!

How hard wil Ward lose tonight?

Hopefully third place.

On the 538 podcast from yesterday, they were saying that Dems hope Ward wins, since she's so wacky. She'd likely lose in November. I thought that would be very risky, because Ward could indeed win, but it seems that if McSally wins, she's going to be in the pocket of the Trump cult, including Ward, anyway.

I don’t trust Slate. The premise might be correct but I still don’t like that publication.

The GOP Arizona Senate run-off to preplace McCain consists of three epic cunts, one of whom is a very old man.

[quote]three epic cunts

New series for A&E?

I think that's the run-off to replace Flake, not McCain. McCain's replacement will be a whole other bag of crazy.

R400, I'm a vet who served my country and hate this asshole. I do not feel 'had' but proud of the fact that I served. I'm counting on my brothers and sisters in arms to uphold their oath to the Constitution if they should ever be told to fire upon their fellow Americans. I know I would have and refused. The Constitution is more than a piece of paper or even a set of ideas....it is US, the American people, and I want this asshole GONE yesterday for all the times he's tried to undermine and debase it.

This recent tweet to address what he sees as an unfair press? Go ahead and re-establish the Fairness Doctrine and do something real or shut the fuck up with your censoring ass.

Of course, R417.

The Huckabeast talked Trump into showing some respect to McCain.

[quote]Trump Resisted Keeping Flag Lowered Because He Thought McCain Coverage Was Excessive

Yeah, sure. That is certainly why he did it.

I say we give this fucking traitor, MR. Trump, the Bin Laden burial plan, courtesy of the US Navy Seals, and be done with him. When he dies a natural death, of course.

Devin Nunes flew to the U.K. this month to gather intel on Chris Steele from MI5, MI6, & GCHQ. But the agencies—wary that he was “trying to stir up a controversy," per a source—didn't meet with him.

Nunes was investigating, among other things, Steele’s own service record and whether British authorities had known about his repeated contact with a U.S. Justice Department official named Bruce Ohr.

His trip to London at such a precarious moment for the president, and the intelligence agencies’ decision to decline him a meeting, is emblematic of the political island on which Nunes finds himself—along with a handful of other Trump allies in Congress and the media—as he continues his search for wrongdoing by the Justice Department.

I hope enough of his constituents realize he is not working for the USA or his district^^^

Is it 'woo woo' to say Nunes has some demonic, crazy fucking eyes? I mean Kellyanne level krazy.

And that we are all paying for it.

What a dork. (Nunes). Thinks he's a intelligence agent.

[quote]Trump thought the reporting on McCain’s passing, just one day after his family announced he would stop seeking medical treatment for his brain cancer, was “over-the-top and more befitting a president,” in WSJ’s words.

I wonder what kind of coverage trump will get when he finally kicks the bucket? Obviously it won't be with the reverence that McCain got, but ugh, it will be probably extensive.

He asked for the committee assignment despite having no background in intelligence. I don’t think you’re too far off, r427. He may *be* an intelligence agent.

Nunes is just a fat geek who's playing at being Jason Bourne lol.

Lindsey as the bereaved, decades-old, implied but unstated, mistress.

Lindsey as the fearless, principled knight fighting for the new king.

Fuck cable media. Get that shit off the TV.

Lindsey is being blackmailed because he swapped photos with young men. How young is really the question. If they're adults, who cares?

Rick Wilson is going to run a third party conservative candidate in 2020 to split the GOP vote.

Roger Stone lickspittle attacks Trump lickspittle Corey Lewandoski:

If CL ever opens his corrupt, scumbag, white trash mouth about me again I will file a complaint with the proper government body on his illegal & swampy foreign Islamist lobbying. Where's your WH job CL you white trash scumbag?!

Wasn't that from Sam Nunberg?

What did Corey do to him?

Yes, sorry, I meant to write "Roger Stone lickspittle Sam Nunberg." Mediaite says "It isn’t clear what set off Nunberg on Tuesday morning." He's probably just high on booze and pills again.

[quote]Sam, you do realize you now have to report him or you look like an accessory withholding info on criminal activity to settle a score, right?

In normal times, yes.

Nunberg is an agent for the Kremlin. Like literally. He's even tweeted about it in the past. Why CNN keeps having him on is a mystery.

Its been mentioned that *NOT* retrying Manafort in Virginia on the mistrial parts of the tax fraud &bank fraud indictment means that he can be tried for those charges in New York and California because those states were affected. It s not double jeopardy, because it was a mistrial not a jury decision

And juries in those areas, lets say there is less of a chance that deplo rables will end up on the jury.

This is something i read elsewhere so I don't have the details.

[quote]I wonder what kind of coverage trump will get when he finally kicks the bucket?

By the responsible sane media the tone will be functional and neutral at absolute best. No one will come close to being able to fake respect, let alone reverence or fondness.

Said neutral tone also depends on just how much is revealed by Mueller and various lawsuits. If deep financial corruption and treason is proven, the funeral would probably have to be sequestered, accessible only by Fox News. (When Margaret Thatcher died, there were genuine fears about loud demos in London on the day of her funeral. And what ever people thought about her, she wasn't considered a traitor.)

If any Deplorables remain to mourn so worthless a life, there'll probably be a few cross-burning ceremonies, white hoods preferred as a mark of respect, the chant of 'Lock Her Up!' ringing long into the night.

"After a private service attended by immediate family confined to the same facility, he was buried on prison grounds in an unmarked grave."

I don't recall there being any over the top memorials and tributes when Nixon died. he was a disgraced President and while I recall the graveside service being televised I also remember it being very spare, not some elaborate pomp & circumstances thing. I remember Tricia broke down.

R405 "Reading my Washington Post and the MAGAs are in full attack mode for McCain calling him a phony, among other things, doing their masters' bidding. Whatever else you may say about McCain he hated Putin and actively worked against him supporting dissidents in Russia for years."

Important reminder: WAPO, NYT, and so many other outlets have been massively infiltrated by Russian bots. You can tell by the time the comments were posted. It's usually minutes within the time the article appeared. No way so many American Deplorables could have gotten up so many nasty comments. Remember - most of the deplorables don't read WAPO or NYT - their master doesn't allow them to because they're "Fake News". Yeah, some might be legitimate, but you must keep reminding yourself a good portion aren't real and must be taken with a grain of salt!

R423 That's the "official" story. It gives Nunes the benefit of the doubt that, perhaps, he really DOES believe it's a Russian Hoax and Trump is being set up.

I suspect he was there to plant stories, plant evidence, maybe pay off some individuals to come forward and discredit Steele. Just my take on it.

I LOVE the visual of patriots and allies slamming the door in Nunes' fat, fucking ratface.

R434 "Wasn't that from Sam Nunberg? What did Corey do to him?"

Poor Sam! Having to relive all the the humiliating experiences from Junior High School, perpetrated on him by bullies who completely resembled Corey Lewandowski! You know Nunberg was shoved into his locker many times by guys just like Lewy, and Lewy shoved many dorks into lockers who looked just like Nunberg!

Corey Lewandowski looks like an epic dork himself. I hardly think he was a traditional bully in school.

On a positive note, Trump is looking worn out and disgusted.

Graham must feel they are losing ground and feeling desperate enough to appear on television.

This made me laugh.

WaPo: During a tense meeting in June, Trump caught Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe off guard. "I remember Pearl Harbor," Trump said. *Pearl Harbor happened in 1941, Trump was born in 1946.) Trump apparently also frequently brings up Japan's "samurai past."

Japanese officials tell WaPo that Trump misstates economic data during meetings and rebuffs advice on North Korea.

Abe repeatedly advised Trump not to halt military exercises until NoKo took concrete steps to denuclearize. "Abe was completely ignored."

John Brennan Questions if Trump Actually Stripped His Security Clearance...

(I wondered this myself. Trump is almost always all talk and no action).

What if Trump Did Actually Shoot Someone on Fifth Avenue?

Your vote in the midterms matters, because Republicans in Congress won’t restrain the president’s excesses.

Thomas L. Friedman

Aug. 28, 2018

... That’s because we all now know that Trump was right when he said he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and his supporters would stick with him. We’ve seen him get away with too much by now. No restraint on Trump will ever come from his party or his base — especially after the passing of John McCain. So save your breath. Trump will be restrained only if his party loses the House or the Senate. That’s what is at stake in the midterm elections — so vote accordingly.

And for those Republican moderates, independents and suburban white women who voted for Trump in 2016 and are considering voting against G.O.P. House and Senate candidates in November to put some limits on the president and show their disapproval at G.O.P. lawmakers’ failure to act as an independent branch of government, let me describe the stakes in another way:

America, we all know, won the Cold War. Our values and economic system proved superior to Russia’s. But what is at stake in the 2018 midterms is who is going to win the post-Cold War.

Yes, that question is back on the table. Because what we are seeing in the behavior of Trump and his toadies in the G.O.P. is the beginnings of the Russification of American politics. Vladimir Putin could still win the post-Cold War.

... “The Russification of America under Trump, it’s not just about collusion, corruption and money laundering,” said Gorbis. “It is about his behavior” — crass language, simplistic slogans reminiscent of the Soviet rhetoric, use of terms such as “enemy of the people,” and his insistence on personal loyalty over loyalty to the Constitution or institutions.

Maybe that’s why Trump and Putin understand and appreciate each other — and why so many Russians like Trump. They say, “He is just like us — no better and no worse.”

There are other parallels between Trumpism and Putinism: the glorification of oil, gas and mining over science and technology; the elevation of white, Christian, nationalist values; and the neutering of the legislative branch — today’s G.O.P.-dominated Congress behaves just like the rubber-stamp Russian Duma. Worse, this Russification of politics is also spreading — to the Philippines, Turkey, Hungary, Poland and maybe soon to Brazil.

A few more years of this Russification of America and the rot will be everywhere. Russia will have won the post-Cold War, and the fictional story at the top of this column will become nonfiction — just like that. Remember that when you vote in the midterms.

I fear that, even with voter suppression, gerrymandering, on-site intimidation and harassment, we'll have won the House, BUT because of vote manipulation by Russia and/or domestic actors, the GOP will retain it and "look into what happened."

But I guess there's nothing ordinary people can do to ensure the votes are tabulated correctly. The federal government isn't going to do anything, and most states have GOP governors and legislatures, and they're not going to do anything.

My fear as well. I don't know if we'll ever have another fair and free election in this country....?

I just wanted to share this, because this shows how Russian trolling is done. Lavrov: "Meddling Claims Make 'Mockery' of U.S. Election". See? the meddling is NOT the problem here. The REAL problem is that even discussing Russian meddling makes the US look bad!

I can't believe Newsweek printed the crap that came out of his mouth.

The ACLU is fighting for the NRA in NY, against Cuomo.

More ridiculousness. I think it's worth posting here, though. If anything, as a companion piece to R454

Via NPR's Sarah McCammon: Last night Paula White presented Trump with a Bible signed by 100+ evangelicals, with an inscription including the line, "History will record the greatness that you have brought for generations." Crowd at the White House was asked to say "Amen" to that.

[quote]WaPo: During a tense meeting in June, Trump caught Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe off guard. "I remember Pearl Harbor," Trump said. *Pearl Harbor happened in 1941, Trump was born in 1946.) Trump apparently also frequently brings up Japan's "samurai past."

Shinzo must be a moron to be caught off guard that Drumpf can remember Pearl Harbor. It isn't inconceivable that he wouldn't. Drumpf also probably remembers what it was like being on the Titanic and saving Rose.

Why the fuck is the ACLU defending the NRA???? That's fucking nuts.

R459 It's not surprising, actually. In the 70s, the ACLU fought for Neo-Nazis to march through a Jewish neighborhood in Illinois. It's the same principled defense of free speech with the NRA - basically, that if the state targets an advocacy group that promotes a lawful activity by penalizing them financially, they're limiting their right to free speech and setting a dangerous precedent. I understand the position, but am not such a high-minded purist. The ACLU does good work, but there are other organizations that are just as deserving of my money.

[quote]Last night Paula White presented Trump with a Bible signed by 100+ evangelicals, with an inscription including the line, "History will record the greatness that you have brought for generations."

This appears rather grandiose. First in presuming quite what 'History will record'; and second in citing 'the greatness that you have brought.' Few discern greatness save in the inverse, in colossal human ineptitude.

It would be amusing were 'evangelicals' to cite wherein this 'greatness' already manifests. The world awaits such learned appraisal.

[quote]He's probably just high on booze and pills again.

Well, he certainly won't be welcome on Broadway!

[quote]It would be amusing were 'evangelicals' to cite wherein this 'greatness' already manifests.

Mostly around the middle.

I think it would have been better had there been a statement recognising his enormity (for the old definition of 'enormity' as well as the newer one).

FWIW, I've never heard of the D.C. Tribune before. But I do like the idea that McConnell is under investigation, if only because I loathe him so.

[quote] First in presuming quite what 'History will record';

Reminds me of the saying that history is written by the victors. They think that they will be victorious and turn Trump into a righteous hero for future generations.

R465 unfortunately, it seems the DC Tribune is a disreputble news outlet.

Stormy Daniels' shows are packed. Not by middled-aged Republican, but by gays, women, and foreign visitors. She is seen as the nemisis to Trump. She's viewed as humanly flawed, but genuine and sincere, and a non-politician who has taken on Trump and may succeed further. MSNBC did a segment about it.

Kushner Companies fined by city for falsified construction permits,

The move comes after multiple reports of the firm misrepresenting the status of rent-regulated units in several of its apartment buildings, in order to illegally perform construction work. The DOB cited 42 different violations across 17 buildings in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Multiple investigations (by the Housing Rights Initiative, among others) have found that Kushner Companies skirted New York’s rent-stabilization rules at these buildings (either by falsifying permits or not registering regulated apartments with the state), thereby making it easier to make renovations and take units out of rent regulation.

In a statement provided to Curbed, a spokesperson for the DOB said that “Protecting tenants is a key part of our mission to make construction safe for all New Yorkers, and we are determined to hold landlords accountable for the accuracy of their applications—no matter who they are.”

Kushner Companies told the Times that “paperwork errors” are to blame for the false permits, and that “[i]n no case did the company act in disregard of the safety of our tenants.”

Just yesterday, HRI unveiled its latest investigation, which found that President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, engaged in similar practices—falsifying construction permits and de-regulating rent-stabilized apartments—at three Manhattan buildings that he had previously owned.

I shouldn't have used "disreputable." I meant that it doesn't have much of a reputation for accurate or professional reporting.

I haven't seen this one before ...

It would explain McConnell’s behavior and so called judgement calls. I always thought he was sneaky. I get the same vibe for Pence.

Remember when Elaine Chao flipped the fuck out on reports? “Leave my husband alone!”

Just a bit over two months left until the election...

Tom Friedman was spot-on today.

R471 ... 👍

Really love the Mueller She Wrote podcast. They get way into it and are pretty irreverent.

Trump is warning of violence if Republicans lose the midterms by Democrats - he's projecting again.

Insanity, R478.

The guy is attempting to destabilize the country... what's not to impeach?

[quote] R314: So he causes a crisis (re: farm tariffs wrecking farm exports) for these farmers, and it turns into a huge money pit for us (gives $12 billion bailout to farmers).

Typical Trump . He creates a problem. Then he mitigates it. And he expects praise for addressing the problem he caused. But where is the bailout for steel workers? And for others affected by his made-up crisis?

Similar to the mess he created with NAFTA. He made a minuscule tweak to it, and now declares it to be all fixed. Not that he knows at all.

FWIW, there are two churches in my area - within 7 miles of each other - that have had to sell their buildings because of declining membership. This is red state hell, too.

These bible beaters are dying off and I'm glad of it. The hate, bigotry and misogyny they preach is disgusting.

Some on twitter are pointing out that the Friedman article looks a lot like this one that appeared in The Guardian last week. Haven't had a chance to read the Friedman article, so I can't judge, but The Guardian one is amusing and worth a look.

I'm just waiting for the video of Miss Lindz in sling, with a pink teddy on getting slapped around by someone in a gimp suit.

A super PAC with ties to Paul Ryan got a woman's full CIA federal security clearance application. They lied and said they got it through a Freedom of Information Act request, but experts are saying that's impossible.

[quote]Abigail Spanberger, the Democratic candidate challenging Representative Dave Brat of Virginia, sent a cease-and-desist letter to Corry Bliss, the executive director of the Congressional Leadership Fund, which has raised more than $100 million to help Republicans in the midterm elections. She demanded that the super PAC destroy all copies of the form and agree to not use the information in any fashion.

Goddamn republicans. They know they can't win unless they cheat.

Treasonous, cheating party. The Repugs have shown they will do anything to win even colluding and conspiring with a hostile foreign power.

The GOP is more of a threat to our country than ISIS is at the moment. That is a deeply frightening thought.

Agreed, R488.

And you know how they'd twist that statement... Assholes.

So Mueller isn't going to bother requesting another trial for those 10 indictments, right? Better to just let him go to Prison at the State level, yeah?

Unsure, R490. The team announced it's intentions tomorrow. I hope a state can try him for state crimes given the federal pardon.

I wonder if Ellis would be more likely to impose a longer sentence if they don't retry Manafort on the other charges. The judge is allowed to take the other charges into consideration in the strength of his sentencing even though he wasn't convicted. He heard all the evidence along with the jury. Let's hope he does the right thing.

The Evangelical churches are as up to their eyeballs in Russian money as the NRA. Just watch.

R490, he's been convicted in federal court for federal crimes. Nothing in the states yet. Trump can pardon him If it's a federal conviction.

Yes, R493 I'm well aware. My point is that if they retry it at the Federal level and get a conviction or he gets acquitted then he can't be tried at the State level for those crimes. It seems like there's no benefit to Mueller retrying it and the better option is to allow it to be charged at the State Level so he can't be pardoned.

R492I agree. The evangelical "prosperity gospel" churches became large and loud and rich. They agree with Russia because they are white and "Christian". Hope they all enjoy mandatory icons of the Trump family for generations.

Putnum lost to Desantis because of his extreme right wing commercials and he is with big sugar...not because people liked Desantis. Of thevtwo, Desantis sounded more normal. No Repug will win as Governor of Florida in November.

Gillum may be pulling an upset victory on the Democratic side r496, and that's who I will be voting for if he succeeds.

I'd rather die than vote for DeSantis.

Hey. I was just thinking about the prophesies of Nostradamus. The guy said the third and last Anti Christ would come out of the East. (Hitler was the Second one, but I forgot who the First one was. ) I thought for a long time it was Bin Laden. But now, I believe it's Putin. For real. Trump isn't smart enough. Also he's a Lackey. The Big Enchilada is Putin.

DeSantis was endorsed by trump. Registered republicans vote blindly for Whomever trump says. That’s where 90 percent approval within the party shows. Thank goodness it’s 90% of 23%

Yup, I agree the evangelicals and the NRA are in bed with Russia. The evangelicals are already brainwashed and the gun nuts are often violent hate mongers.

Blech! Lizard head won his primary for the Senate.

Not crazy about Nelson, I but I won't ever vote for Lizard Head.

[quote]Yup, I agree the evangelicals and the NRA are in bed with Russia.

I think it's likely... but they're such dimwits they aren't in collusion, they've been infiltrated.

Do you suppose the Russians' plan is to infiltrate, cause havoc, and then reveal they've been behind it all along, leaving the whole system shattered, with no one knowing who to trust? I really can't believe the success they've had with the Republican Party. I mean, I knew it wasn't filled with the smartest people, but there were some. Still, McConnell, Graham, Ryan... so many obviously compromised and selling out their party... it's amazing to me.

It's like every evil cause is part of the cult: fossil fuels, evangelicals, gun nuts, other extractive industry, ... Nazis...

R502, they'll never reveal that they were behind anything.

I'm inclined to screw with any cult members I know personally. Like reveal secrets they're ashamed of etc.

From the article posted above:

*How did McConnell know that a Republican would be elected President in 2016, causing him to block the nomination of Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court in an unprecedented move that he now refuses to even publicly acknowledge happened?

*Why did Mitch block the formation of a new bipartisan committee to investigate Russian interference in our elections, despite a letter signed by senior lawmakers of both parties asking him to do so?

*Why did Mitch wait less than 24 hours after the raid on former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen’s office and home to announce that there would be no bill protecting the Mueller investigation?

R502 the Russians took advantage of an opportunity. The Republican Party was an opening once the Tea Party and the other extremists took it over and started getting more and more "socially conservative." The Russians have been hanging around agitating and disrupting for years. They thrive on discord and chaos. THey've probably had certain eople on the payroll and sleepers for decades. But never in their wildest dreams did they ever think they could be so effective until the internet, and social media presented them with the tools to sit there in St. Petersburg and Moscow, and use technology to achieve their dreams.

In wonder if this mess will make us stronger in the end. Like a decade out. Will we have learned from all of this and restored and reinvigorated our democracy? Will we be very vigilant?

Or will Facebook and Twitter keep dragging us to hell?

Does Topher Dimaggio count?

A decade out, r508? No. But maybe 25-50 years. Like post Nazi Germany, it’ll take a few generations for the worst parts of us to die off.

Nunes is such a fucking loose cannon. He couldn't keep a secret if it was tattooed on his spleen!

Poor Lindsay. He lost the love of his life. No more unsheathed poundings on every other thursday. Perhaps he can console himself with some Kushner cock?

r509 that is Senatrice's Linz gay porn star lova. Allegedly.

[quote]it’ll take a few generations for the worst parts of us to die off.

Exactly.... it's the stupid (and I mean stupid) Republican base.... that's all the Republican politicians have left so they pander to it. It is the most craven, ugly thing I have seen in politics ever.

Was anyone around and remember or does anyone know if Nixon's supporters were this fanatical about him until the very end?

I've shat out turds less gross than Nunes

Damn. Rachel is connecting all the dots tonight. She is pointing out, analyzing the systematic fucking Trump is giving to Justice department officials who's jobs directly affect this investigation and other investigations. International organized crime, counter Intelligence, etc.etc.etc. Putin must have really kicked Trump's ass in Helsinki. The Right Wing Extremists in the media are piling on one lie after another on Bruce Ohr. Who is responsible for the international organized crime operation of DOJ. And yes, he is involved in the Russia investigation. There is a Russian mob element to the investigation. She confirmed that tonight, too. We have to stop this shit. I wish it was October! I know Trump and his gang will try to hang on to power as much as they can and they will not go quietly. They will fight every single step of the way and try a lot of stuff that will frighten us. That period between November voting and January 3rd 2019 is going to be harrowing.

Ray Romano should play Nunes in the movie.

Fucking Bernie Sanders endorsed African American man won the Dem nomination for Governor. In Florida. So now we are to believe that Florida will elect a Democrat? I hate to seem cynical, but IMO the strategy is to insure that the Democratic nominee is too far Left, or otherwise lacking in the ability to get the votes they need to win. Am I suggesting Florida is filled with racists? Yes. I am. And Any time I See that a candidate was hand picked and endorsed by Bernie I get real pissed off.

R515, the cult-like worship of Trump, the elevation of personality over values, is unique. Nixon’s core supporters were ideological; Trump’s core supporters love only him.

Trump's supporters are rabid fangurls.

Yeah, Turnip is completely new. All he needs to do, is make an accusation, with no evidence, and everybody jumps. The media, the law enforcement community, etc. They should just ignore him like the military does.

I attribute this to Fox.

Yes, Florida will elect a stump that wears blue. Floridians hate Trump.

Why is Andrew Gillum simply a "Bernie Sanders endorsed African American"? He had prominent supporters besides Bernie Sanders, and in any case his voters were presumably making their decision based on the merits of his campaign, not just on an endorser's say-so. R519 doesn't give FL Democrats much credit.

I voted for Levine but I am fine with Gillium but it seemed odd to see the win only two hours after the polls closed.

R524, watch who takes credit (and I'll bet he does it before the night is even over). That's why he's being called a Bernie pick.

Oh my god -- you Floridians better wake the fuck up! The fix is now in for DeSantis. Gillam barely registered in the polls. I myself voted for Graham as the most likely to win in the general. And to have Gillam win the primary is a catastrophe for us Democrats. Let me explain.

White trash deplorabes who never would have bothered to vote in the mid-terms are going to come out of the woodwork to vote against a black man for governor. And because of that, the Rs may capture more seats in the House and that crooked mfer Scott will win in the Senate.

In addition, Republicans who were leaning toward voting for Graham as the sentimental favorite in the general have lost that chance, so they'll vote or DeSantis.

There are not enough people of color (I checked the demographics) in Florida who will rally to Gillam to counteract the effects of the deplorables and the now-right-leaning (used to be undecided) Republicans.

Sadly, the Democrats can kiss FL goodbye for another four years.

But it does make me wonder why a man who was barely on the radar would win the FL Democratic nomination. I think Bill Nelson was on the right track.

And his city hall is under FBI investigation. And he takes Soros PAC money which the right-wing will push non-stop. I wish Bernie would stay the fuck out of Democratic business since he's not a goddamn Democrat.

How did they find out that Duncan Hunter broke campaign finance law? And why aren't they investigating someone else who used funds to rent a private plane to stalk the Pope and admitted it had nothing to do with his campaign?

Ugh. Bernie screws us once again in Florida.

[quote] I think Bill Nelson was on the right track.

About what? Not being snarky, I want to know.

R531, that the vote is already being hacked.

Please don't let the next Democratic president (if we're ever allowed to have one in a free and fair ejection) be "forgiving" towards the GOP and "looking to work together to rebuild the country."

Please don't let it be an Obama-type appeaser. Please don't forget the courts and getting judicial nominees through the Senate. Learn from Obama's mistakes. Emphasize how important voting in the following midterms is: hold rallies like Trump to get out the vote. Don't rely on celebrities.

No more "resets" with Russia, either, please. We know what they are more. Truly.

We know what they are *now

Elections are being hacked? Surely the Republicans will step in and intervene???

I want the next Democratic president (should we ever have one) to KICK REPUBLICAN ASS!!!!

No more of this appeasing bullshit from people like Obama and Pelosi.

I think we should confiscate all property owned by Russian nationals that is not a primary residence. Somebody tell Liz Warren. That will hit them where it hurts. And make Brooklyn and Miami affordable again, maybe.

[quote]that the vote is already being hacked.

Dems on twitter are marveling that Gillam pulled an upset. I have not read any tweets about people being suspicious, but it is interesting.

R536, impeachment of Dubya, or Cheney, would have been a waste of time. It would never have passed the Senate. I can’t blame Nancy for taking it off the table. They had plenty to do, and little time to do it, when they had the votes in the Senate.

R538 I'm just reading people say that he's an amazing candidate...

You bunch of racist lowlifes should shut the fuck up. Florida is a very diverse state. The Russians are going to be gunning for our candidate and since trump will do nothing about it, republicans may be given the win. People in Florida are not spending much time paying attention to Bernie.

Republicans are evil to the core and they always have been. They do not protect our middle class, they do not protect our environment , they do not care about the working citizens at all. They care about the super wealthy and about greedy corporations. I wish a revolution something like the French revolution would take place.

We just need everyone to vote...

Gillum in Florida was an early Hillary supporter in '16.

Sanders did make a late appearance to support Gillum for Governor. Other than Biden and Pelosi, there are very few Democrats that have strong recognition nationwide, presently.

Yes, everyone vote! Get the word out!

It's not the voting that counts, it's the counting of the votes that counts.

Did Gillum get the SJW Millennial vote? Will they bother to show up in November? In 2020? Or are they just going to set us up with candidates that aren't able to carry the Dem base and then ditch us because they're bored?

The vote getting hacked in the Primary to make sure your opponent is someone you can beat is old school thinking with new technology. Gillum may be a very capable charismatic guy. But the Demographics a re not with him. The analysis that R527 gave ought to make everyone think. I tried to calm myself by saying, and by telling others, just vote for the Democrat in November. And I want to hold on to that. But I don't think it will work, because we really need to attract independents too. The GOP is an extremist party. they have always been a minority party but they are even moreso now. We need to give the independents a place to come to. Not saying Gillum is the wrong guy. Maybe he isn't. But right now I'm not feeling very daring. And no. I have no confidence in people doing the right thing. Don't tell me Floridians are smarter than I think, not when you have had Scott as your governor all these years. And Rubio? Sheee-it.

No more "listening tours" and input from Republicans if we achieve a supermajority in 2020. End gerrymandering, protect voters, spend massively on cybersecurity. Protect the press. Eliminate fossil fuel subsidies. Expand trade (yes). Fuck with our foreign enemies - hard.

No more appeasement or "inclusion" of the Nazi cult. Obama tried. It failed miserably. No more.

How many of you actually go to the polls vs mail-in ballots?

Obama was like a moderate Carter-like appeaser. It sucked.

Gillum was being investigated by the Feds right? Will he be able to still pull off a win like Duncan Hunter?

R549, We vote early, even though Ohio only has one early polling station per county no matter how many people live there.

R548, You should include expanding the Supreme Court and returning the House to its intended number of representatives in your list.

No more Mr. Nice Dem 2020.

Wait. So Florida Dems picked a guy under federal investigation as their candidate??? Face palm.

I want the Democrats to elect a sidewinder as President. Someone like LBJ who knew how to punish his enemies. I look at Warren, Klobuchar, Harris, all idealistic, fighter, but they're honorable people. I don't want someone "honorable." I want a real rattle snake who will take it to them.

That doesn't matter to rethuglican voters, r553.

It shouldn't matter to Dems, either.

How about Avenatti, R554?

Agreed, R554, as long as he/she doesn't get mired in his/her own scandals.

I want to like Kamala Harris but there is something off about her.

Beto needs to write a book like Harris had ready for next year.

I don't mind Kamala I just don't like her being shoved down my throat.

Have we heard anything from Mother Maxine of Ted Lieu?

r558 She isn't going to get the wide appeal she needs- yet.

Warren has lost her sizzle. We need her in the Senate.

I think whoever get the Dem nomination will come from left field and be someone who isn't currently on the radar.

We need Dump and the Repugs to be crushed! I am worried about FL and the Senate race. We need to flip AZ and NV and hold everywhere else. If the Russians hack anything, it will be the Senate.

Still fighting the fight.

Deplorable.

What is election night going to be like for you if the Dems take back the House? What will it be like for you if they don't?

If they take the House, I can't imagine how happy and relieved I'll be. I don't know that I'll do to celebrate. If they don't... I guess this heavy dread I feel every day is going to feel much worse.

What's on Alex Jones' phone?

Totally not surprised.

Republicans are planning to hammer Democrats on illegal immigration, claiming the party supports open borders and blanket amnesty, along with abolishing ICE and being soft on MS13.

I've said for awhile, don't let Republicans define the Democrats' stance on the issue. Dems need a strong, reasonable, collective policy. Going too far left on illegal immigration will cost votes. Hillary went to the left of Obama on immigration, but the targeted demographics on this under-showed for voting, with some voting not as anticipated.

R565 if they don't it'll confirm to me that once again they got away with rigging.

I can't wait until people start gaming the google search results so a ton of horrible words bring up Trump's fat face as the first result.

If they win, I'll go to Disneyland (well, California Adventure) the following Saturday.

If they don't win back the House, I'll probably take the week off and lie in bed reading the news. I'll order lots of comfort food using Postmates or something. A lot of food. I'll have to get a massage everyday just to feel semi-normal.

If the Dems take back the House in a huge way I will be drinking in ecstasy. If they lose the Senate, it will kill my buzz. We need the Senate almost as much as the House. We need Gov's.

If we don't I don't want to even go there. I can't go back to the feelings of 11/9.

[quote] I can't go back to the feelings of 11/9.

Completely agree. A lot of people feel the same. I have a friend who hasn't turned on the TV since that night.

If they take back the Senate or even just net gain seats in the Senate, I'll book a trip too a newly blue state. That if, if they win the House, too.

If they don't with the House, I might book an Ayahuasca retreat in Peru, to get reoriented to a nightmare world. I'll return home and try to volunteer to do what I can. ESL classes, maybe.

Wait, why California Adventure and not Disneyland?

Can we talk about what we'd do if we win both AND start impeachment?

We really should have that bar meet up.

R572> I have several friends who refuse to watch the news or even talk about any of it. You bring up Trump, they get visibly upset, shut down and change the subject. They are Democrats btw.

If we don’t take back the House, I could see people spontaneously taking to the streets. It would obviously be because the Russians rigged the mid-terms.

I wonder if that would be the case R577 or if people will just have expected it.

who the fuck would take diet or exercise advice from that bloated toad, Jones, FFS?

Good God, it would be like taking legal advice from The Ghoul.

R574, I generally prefer the new over the old. It's still a newish park. And I want to show my support for the idea of Disney building new parks, and making those parks something other than Disneyland-style castle parks.

R574, I generally prefer the new over the old. It's still a newish park. And I want to show my support for the idea of Disney building new parks, and making those parks something other than Disneyland-style castle parks.

R579 are you saying you don't find Alex to be a hot daddy?

Link to new thread for when this fills up.

So Manafort is trying to get a change of venue?

Remember how Paul Ryan's super PAC illegally obtained information on a Democratic candidate? They're using the info.

Since Republicans hate the leaking of classified information I'm sure someone will be heading to jail for this, right?

I love her.

And it's nice that she says that McCain didn't believe in personal attacks...

Why didn't he pass that down to his daughter?

R588 Always far kinder to others than she has gotten back in return. I can't watch her without just imagining how different things would be had she been sworn in.

Link to new thread.

Didn't someone suggest a meet up in DC?

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