Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42)

Link to previous thread for reference.

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18) Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41)1) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

Already a new thread. I have lots to catch up on. Thanks as usual OP.

Let's use the one and not the other.

Hey OP. what are you wearing?

Link to the continued discussion.

R6 quit being such a sad troll.

Someone must be giving out extra vodka rations in Vladivostok tonight.

R6 makes himself important trying to hijack a known series of threads.

Why did you reuse the #12 title?

твоя мать производит глиняный кирпич в Сибири.

Thank you to the DLer(s) managing this ongoing thread.

Just so we can get video of him.

r11 is smart enough to know that there isn't just one OP for a series of threads, that it is a communal effort with numerous OPs.

R13, I didn't want to assume. But thanks.

Thanks OP, the other thread confused me because it was a repeat of a previous thread.

Does anyone listen to the Mueller, She Wrote podcast? I fear for the unnamed host.

Is Rachel back next week?

People on Twitter are speculating that Trump's racist tweets routinely precede an indictment run or a news bombshell. A tweet on Friday hinted that an indictment to a Tier 1 subject -- family members, key members of inner circle and the orange shitgibbon himself -- was on its way. Maybe an indictment will be announced on Mueller's birthday (August 7).

Fun ig.

R13 and R14 from what I can gather there have been three OPs. The OP who started these threads who takes credit for threads 1-4. Another person who did thread 5-6, and this OP who has done 7-42.

R10, yup. This is obviously one of the new Troll tactics to take over the narrative. Let's really pay attention so we don't let them do shit like that.

And just so we're clear, R13 is the hijacking troll.

but of course r21 conveniently doesn't label the person who did threads 1-4 and later ones as "the hijacking troll".

So we block R13?

Well, let's see R22... none of them created a new thread AFTER the new one was already posted and linked and then tried to link it after the new thread had already been linked. They also didn't come into the new, already created thread, and try to divert to a different thread and they didn't re-use an old title already used. Oh, and the other ones didn't troll the current thread with useless posts trying to waste the thread in desperation to start a new thread.

The other OPs also had a long history in multiple threads and didn't cookie clear.

So yeah, R22 you're a troll.

r23 = Not a team player. Doesn't play well with others.

Who is the guy who hates the OP for rampant misogyny in other threads? (Threads that he never tells us what they are or where or what).

No, R25 you're the one that's not a team player since you tried to create and divert people to a new thread that was already created. But you're obviously trying to troll and divert conversation in these threads so...

Basta!

R26 I'm just gonna assume that guy is the hijacking troll.

They are near ready to indict Junior.

Zaddy will get you, Troll!

Is the Nancy Pelosi Hater Troll the same lunatic who wants us to immediately start physically attacking Republicans and bloodying the streets? The one who wants violent protests and only violent protests?

If they don't indict Junior and Jared soon, I may lose myvmind. Jared is such a piece of shit!

So apparently Drumpf is out there saying there is going to be a Red Wave in November. Did Daddy Put Put give him that guarantee?

R32 I don't know but we seem to have quite a few trolls here. The Misogynist troll, the Pelosi Troll, the Why Aren't You People Taking it to the Streets Troll, the Las Vegas Troll, and now the Hijacking Troll.

Wonder how many of these are one and the same?

Mueller was on vacation this week but returned early Friday morning.

I think there's an indictment of Don Jr in the works. Hope Hicks is back because she is a calming influence on Trump.

I'm pretty sure the Pelosi Troll writes exactly the same as the Takin' It To The Streets Troll.

R36 where did you see that Mueller is on vacation?

How does someone like him even take a vacation? And why would he even announce it?

this is the true thread, every other thread is false!

The next indictment could be Roger Stone, but very lately Stone's associates were issued subpoenas. The way the formerly inseparable Sam "I will never rat on Stone! I'm not spending 80 hours filtering my emails! Roger's like a father to me!" Nunberg and Roger "Sam Nunberg is both a drug addict and an alcoholic with a very small penis" Stone speak of each other, I wonder if it is Stone...

Speaking of Stone did we already talk about this?

"Alleged Russian spy Maria Butina chatted with former Trump campaign aide ahead of the 2016 election J.D. Gordon reportedly invited the Russian national to a Styx concert and his birthday party."

I bet she feels so helpless, like a boat against the tide.

Stone is definitely getting indicted right after the Manafor trial which should be finishing in about a week and a half.

Stone is a decades old swinger. Hangs with the Manhattan madam, dresses for gay parades, promotes conspiracy theories, and has a history of political shenanigans.

Odd and ugly.

For R44.

R44, he would fit right in here!

I wonder if Trump will tweet about what happened in Venezuela today.

Trump was probably behind it, trying to create another distraction.

Hottie Avenatti in his racing car uniform.

VROOM! VROOM!

Great pic OP!!!!

Is this bitch ever going to jail? srrsly.

What’s wrong with having multiple OP’s everybody should get a turn.

At any rate, did we see this pic?

We also have a “the prosecution is flailing” troll.

Interview with trade secretary yesterday.

Hmmmmmm....let’s stay focused. The double thread thing threw me off, I need to find my footing.

I will say, Avenatti in the View was HOT as always. I am also beside myself with glee thinking about the NRA disintegrating. Karma is a bitch.

R33> Jill Wine Banks said Jared was served with the subpoena, finally. Secret service said they made a mistake and let it through after the DNC went to court. This was around the same time Ivanka sold her business, hmm...

Thread by @djrothkopf: "A brief note to my Republican friends (and other supporters of the president): Keep your eye on the penny. It is about to drop. I'm reminded […]"

I’m not clicking on that link. But is it about how Obama and Hillary are getting fitted for new ankle monitors soon?

R58, yes, they are getting indicted for pizzagate.

Anyway, thanks for these threads and the Avenatti pix. What a sexy man.

From r57...

[quote]Trump is the Enron of presidents.

And we all know how that ended.

Interesting article about wiretapped conversations Don Jr. may have had with Torshin.

And Mueller may have the recordings.

Jill Wine Banks wore this pin on 8/2. I couldn't figure out what it meant and checked her site. She wore it because, "Manafort's tax evasion and bank fraud trial in its 3rd day shows he spent more than he reported and paid taxes on by paying for lavish expenditures from unreported foreign bank accounts where he hid his Ukrainian earnings.."

I love this one from 8/1. Jill said, "Trump is unravelling and obstructing Russia investigation in plain sight with his Tweet today so I'm wearing this #JillsPin today."

Jill's Pins web page.

According to WAPO :

[quote]Trump now believes his son may have [bold]accidentally broke the law[/bold]...

Darn it ! Don't you hate when that happens ??

I especially hate it when I find myself accidentally colluding with Russia to undermine our government....

R65 Daddy Moron is throwing Moron Jr. under the treason bus. LMAO

Poor Donny Junior. When you are arrogant and have no morals, ethics, or scruples, it's so easy to break the law and not know it. But, behavior has consequences and Donny's about to face them.

Butina is such a ducking freak.

So Daddy’s actually serving up his son.

We all figured he would, but he ACTUALLY is.

R57 I love it, but is he trustworthy? I really hope he's right but I can't imagine any Republican is the House or Senate caring about being on the right side of history.

This means Trump Jr. and Roger Stone are the next indictments. I bet Mueller is just waiting for the Manafor trial to end before issuing his next round of indictments.

God I hope the jury finds Manafort guilty. Letting him go... we won't hear the end of it from the cult and their god.

I am the Jon McNaughton troll who has decided each treason thread needs an official painting. This thread's painting will be Justice for All.

Our painting this thread features Johann Sebastian Bach as a Supreme Court justice; Donald Rumsfeld as a nun; Dan Aykroyd as a police officer; Omarosa; and Antonin Scalia angrily ripping his autopsy report in half out of anger his death was ruled natural causes and not murder at the hands of Hillary Clinton.

Is that Prince harry in the bottom right hand corner?

Once the NRA was outed as a conduit for Russian cash to Republicans, it became a compromised asset.

Compromised assets get liquidated.

The NRA is about to come down with the Russian Flu.

Oh, the irony.

Wasn't Junior & Kimberly Guilfoyle suppose to be the next royal wedding?

How about using “Rabbit Treasin; Duck Treason” as the title of an upcoming thread?

By The Pricking Of My Thumb, Something Treasonous This Way Comes

Why was Hope Hicks on AF 1?

Because she’s #1 AF

I assume Ivanka sold her business because something really bad happened and she knew she would be in trouble for it...a child's death...fire in a factory, something made her sale.

[quote]I assume Ivanka sold her business because something really bad happened and she knew she would be in trouble for it...a child's death...fire in a factory, something made her sale.

Deny. Deny. Deny.

She’s gonna need the cash to pay lawyers

I’m still confused as to why the OP has to control every aspect of every threads?

If other people want to make a thread then get creative and don’t repeat a title. I support alternating OPs. It’s how this thread series got going.

Every thread doesn’t have to be controlled by one control freak with multiple accounts. This is a democracy thread, not a totalitarian thread, after all.

Anybody who is STILL talking about Bernie, even though that was 3 years ago and he’s not even running in 2018, is either a bot or a troll.

Nobody in real life has uttered his name since 2016.

Sometimes, R84, you should just bend to Brilliance

Hope Hicks on AF1???????

[quote] Hope Hicks on AF1

Sounds like the possibility of witness tampering to me -- but it won't really matter. She can say whatever she wants to now, but Mueller has the transcripts of her testimony -- under oath -- in front of the grand jury where what she had to say counted.

I was the OP of thread number 6 from last December. I have been more happy to cede responsibility for creating the new threads to the OP who has been doing a great job of it throughout this year. Seems to be working well. So, since it's not broken, let's not try to fix it.

This is so weird that only one person is allowed to make these threads. If that is the case, I’m not interested in being in a fascist thread. I think a lot of these posters are the same person on multiple devices anyway.

I suggest that others make threads from now on. These threads have changed in tone to something more sinister. They are no longer hopeful. And the titles are stale and accompanying pics are more cartoony than before. It seems that a certain poster (with several accounts) thinks this is all one big joke.

I will visit the individual topic threads from now on because this all encompassing one sucks. All this control freak stuff has ran off the retired judge and others who made this thread great.

I wonder if Fox News will have a meltdown over Hope Hicks visiting Trump on Air Force One the same way they did about Bill Clinton visiting Loretta Lynch on her private plane.

No?

Of course not.

r73, these are pro-Republican/fascist/Trump paintings, why are you posting them in these threads?

This thread has been ursurped by the 3rd party division trolls. Yes OP is one.

Maybe that mysoginist person was right. There have been several people who blocked OP and weren’t sure why.

I blocked him too. And I just figured out why today.

We have to be more vigilant because he got you all pretty good. He took over the threads and subtly took them off track.

Someone else needs to take these back on track.

Go away, r89.

R89, there are individual threads for specific things like Butina, or Donnie, JR. or leBron, etc. But this is a general discussion thread of the Mueller investigation and the on going developments. Will there sometimes be overlap? Yes. But so what. This Mueller Investigation thread and its predecessors act as a great clearinghouse for information and discussion. So, Bye, Feliicia! Go back to your troll farm.

The OP can’t delete his threads because then he won’t be OP anymore so you have to go all the way back and look at earlier comments and it’s all right there.

I knew something was off when like 8 different people blocked the OP and couldn’t figure out why.

YOU CAN SEE THE COMMENTS FOR YOURSELF, DUMMY. THEY ARE DIVISION POSTS BY THE OP.

don’t be so gullible people. Don’t make this easy for them.

Too bad tweets aren't submitted under oath.

This is an admission that the meeting WASN'T about adoption, it WAS to get dirt on Hillary.

Here is the legit thread. Take discussion there. Yes it has a duplicate title but at least it’s authentic.

thread closed.

I thought since it is his official twitter that his statements are admissible in court.

Oh gosh, R101, if Trump's twitter statements were admissible in court, he'd be totally fucked.

I have the OP of the other thread blocked, which tells me all I need to know.

Fuck off trolls.

Well, the Twitter statements are not under oath, but they are still admissions that can be used against you in court. If the cops find you standing over a bloody body with a knife in your hands and you look up and say, "It was an accident, he ran into my knife -- 17 times," then you're pretty well fucked. You weren't under oath, but you have confessed to the details of the crime.

So, Donnie's statement that it was "a meeting to get information on an opponent totally legal and done all the time in politics" is an admission that they were trying to violate the law. It is not "totally legal." Candidates may not conspire with foreign governments to help them win office. It is one of the problems that the Founders were concerned about.

Well, R104, if they can use Trump's Twitter account (in part) to take him down, they may just restore my faith in social media.

Okay, someone on the other thread posted that they think Hope was on board because Jr is going down soon and they need to keep Trump pacified. I think Stone will be next...midweek?...and I hope it's Jr on Friday.

Trump, Jr. will definitely be going down... once he's in prison.

omg, I just read the tweet. Aside from what he just inadvertently admitted, he IS throwing Jr under the bus. As if Jr would go to the bathroom without asking permission first. Whoa.

I agree with r89, these threads were off to a good start but now there’s a bigger obsession with trolls, titles, and control than with the issues at hand within the Miller investigation. Ah, well, it was a nice run.

Hold the elevator for me, r89!

[quote]Candidates may not conspire with foreign governments to help them win office. It is one of the problems that the Founders were concerned about.

With all the foreign intrigues and bribes and spies that had been going on for hundreds of years in Europe, it is not surprising they were concerned about it--and rightly so.

It is quite remarkable that its hasn't been an issue until now, 240 years later.

Mueller*

Ignore the trolls and focus on the comments that contribute to the actual discussion.

[quote]Ignore the trolls and focus on the comments that contribute to the actual discussion.

Wisdom applicable to all DL threads, and life in general.

+1

Why was Hope Hicks in Air Force One? Is he fucking her, to spite Melanie? I think yes.

that’s difficult to do when the OP keeps subtly drawing things off track. Especially when the tea starts flowing.

The other thread sucks too so I’m all in favor of a new, fresh take on the subject with no mention of Bernie and other divisive topics which already have 500 (tanked) threads. When those fail, OP tries it in here.

[quote] Why was Hope Hicks in Air Force One? Is he fucking her, to spite Melanie? I think yes.

Twitter this AM: (1) maybe she was wearing a wire (2) she is a witness so this could be construed as witness tampering

The fact that one poster is always here 24/7 and must control every other poster is annoying. Let people think for themselves. Take a break get some fresh air. People can start new threads if they want to.

Ignore-dar does not show me where THIS OP is "subtly drawing things off track", R115. Can you provide examples of your claim?

However, Ignore-dar DOES reveal the OP of the other thread to be one of the unhinged Qanon followers. So, it makes it clear that the OTHER thread is the one sowing divisiveness.

OP has ruined this thread series. Time for someone new.

Then they both suck.

Tine for a new OP. Any previous OPs want to fill in for a while?

Why the fuck do I see a bunch of shitheads here trying to analyze different posters on this political thread? What a bunch of dumbshits who know absolutely nothing. Reading you morons, waste my time.

He appreciates the fact that Hope doesn't switch the channel to CNN, r114.

Someone is clearly doing the most to try to take control of these threads (all the posts complaining about OP and making these false allegations are essentially coming from one person).

Geez, wonder why.

The other thread poster has zero history. Zilch. They zapped it so it probably was a troll but I don’t see the QAnon stuff.

I do see the Bernie and 3rd party distraction posts from this OP though. Clearly set up to distract.

Do your own research and make your own conclusions. Don’t take my word for it but OP is clearly fishy. Both OPs actually.

The foolish Donald Trump exposed himself again this morning. All Mueller has to do is set back and watch the Trumps expose the truth.

Every time the tea was spilling OP diverted to third party talk so there ya go.

Take it or leave it.

“Would anyone still be shocked to learn that most Republicans are untroubled by the Kremlin’s efforts to manipulate our politics? The appalling truth is that millions of Republicans — more than 10 percent, according to a new survey by Yahoo Finance/Survey Monkey — would actually approve of Russian interference in the midterm elections. And nearly 30 percent say they wouldn’t really object to such an intervention, presumably so long as the Russians remain supportive of Trump and the Republican Party.

Given the decades of continuing enmity between the Russian Federation and the United States, not to mention the illegal nature of foreign meddling in our elections, these sentiments are tantamount to treason. That label would certainly be applied to Democrats instantly if they were to ever express such tolerant attitudes toward an attempted political coup by a hostile power. But Republicans, both in the Party leadership and the Trump-inflected “base,” seem Increasingly receptive to a Kremlin takeover.

One revelation after another has demonstrated just how receptive they are. Leaving aside President Donald Trump’s own highly compromised relationship with Moscow, we have repeatedly seen evidence that the Republicans either don’t care about or even welcome the Russian incursions.

The House Republican leadership was well aware two years ago that the Kremlin had established dubious connections not only with Trump but also with one of their members, Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif. House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy told the Republican caucus that he believed Russian President Vladimir Putin was paying Trump and Rohrabacher. At that point, House Speaker Paul Ryan broke in to warn the Republican members not to mention these suspicions outside the caucus room. When the conversation leaked, they claimed to be joking.

But of course it wasn’t a joke, and it isn’t a joke now. Both Rohrabacher and Trump openly behave like Putin’s most abject stooges, whether the Kremlin boss is actually paying them or not.“

R125 I've been wondering if he can't help himself, if he knows Jr is next so he's trying to get ahead of it, or if he's throwing him under the bus.

Sad that it could legitimately be any one of those things.

Why else did so many different people block the OP?

As you were.

Give us some specific examples, R126 or yeah, we'll just leave it.

Why in the world would this young woman have anything to do with the criminal Trump? Can you imagine this old dude fucking her with his limp Dick? That is just a sickening thought.

I want Stone arrested today.

R131 wasn't Hicks originally tied to Ivanka?

R73 you forgot to mention Dick Cheney as a nun.

It just gets conveniently ignored/forgotten, r127.

He's definitely throwing his son under the bus. Noticed how he said at the end "I did not know about it" ??

Don Jr. must be devastated that he threw his life away for "fake" daddy love.

[Quote] Trump now says that the Trump Tower meeting was, in fact, to get dirt on Hillary Clinton.

[Quote] Last year, in a statement to the Times from Trump on behalf of his son, it claimed: "We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children."

R136 I think Jr is too dumb to even realize it.

He really is Fredo.

I hope he can take comfort in knowing that in the end, when it all comes down, Daddy will throw Ivanka under the bus too.

[quote]Noticed how he said at the end "I did not know about it" ??

He also forgot to type NO COLLUSION.

He won't get the chance, Ivanka will turn on Daddy to protect Jared and herself. Didn't Mueller get one of the Enron wives to flip on her husband to avoid going to jail herself? That will be Ivanka. She doesn't care what happens to the other two siblings I'm sure.

Some good news.

R140 I don't know if I buy that. I mean, I think she'd flip to save herself (she is her father's daughter) but I have no doubt that she feels the same way about Jared as she does her brothers. She's not going to do anything to protect him.

Funny, this sort of reminds me of the poster here (using multiple accounts) falsely accusing OP and others with fabrications in a desperate effort to take over the thread.

Sounds like they have their marching orders, "divisive" is the new buzzword.

Thanks r141. And on a side note, I'd rather read CNN than watch it.

Ivanka, IMO, probably brought Hope back to Trump. As for who turns on Whom? Ivanka and Jared against everyone, is my bet.

Okay, Hope Hicks was on AF1 when Trump and his lawyers crafted that fake statement about the Trump Tower meeting, "only topic discussed was adoptions". So her being on the plane again has something to do with that. They want to go over what she told Mueller. I mean, she already told them as soon as she got out of there, but they want to go over it again.

Who was that older man she was photographed with in NYC last week, her lawyer?

I'm genuinely curious as to what triggered Drumpf's latest freak out over Jr. Did he somehow get some info on something that Mueller has on Jr?

R146 I was wondering the same thing. Did his tweet come after she was on AF1?

Yes, R145 they also have the "protection" of Uncle Bibi and a place to run to for what it's worth.

maybe his pants just needed steaming

Does Giuliani still have his back channel into NY office of the FBI?

Is he feeding “about to drop news” to Trump?

Yes r148, the photo of her entering AF1 came out last night. His tweet was this morning.

Remember, DON JUNIOR lied to Congress. Republican control or not, it is on record.

He repeated lies to Sean Hannity's face, multiple times, though Hannity was totally trying to spin in Junior's behalf.

If Congress ignores Junior lying to them, they are dismissing a blatant crime right there beyond the activities pertaining to meeting with the Russians.

I can't wait for a few members of Congress to be charged with Obstruction...at the very least. And I sincerely hope Devin Nunes and a few others, including Ryan are part of that.

it could be they have advance knowledge of something Mueller is about to do, or it could be that Donnie Jr. was just bitching about everything and that caused dad to react. Right now Trump is supposed to be "on vacation" for the next ten days... in fucking New Jersey. If Mueller was preparing indictments doesn't he have to notify the lawyers for the people he is getting ready to indict? Or does he just file the papers and serve them on Donnie's lawyers? How does it work? I've never been indicted...

So ignorance of the law IS an excuse according to President* Trump? I'll have to remember that.

r154 Typically attorney for the indicted are given a week to two week's notice as well as a surrender offer. But there is nothing typical about this probe.

I had assumed Uday's wife was bailing on him because of something like this, but it's been reported that marriage has been over for a long time, he's cheated, and she just inherited a boatload of money. Still . . .

Here is what I think is going on. Take it for what it is worth.

Gates is scheduled to testify as early as this week at Manafort's trial. Gates is supposedly a witness to the Trump Tower meeting. Manafort's defense is all about blaming and discrediting Gates, however that will fail big time given the evidence. So, Gates could potentially blow this whole thing open this week and Trump is freaking out. The tweet this morning is him trying to get in front of the testimony to prepare his base.

I don't think he tweets without his handlers' approval. It's all very calculated.

I'm not so sure anyone comes between Drumpf and his Twitter account.

I think the crack-of-dawn tweets are Trump alone. The rest of the time he writes them out with his Sharpie and [guy whose name I forget] adds a few capital letters and a misspelling and sends them out.

If I were Hope Hicks I'd refuse any ride by Trump on AF 1. He might order his goons to throw her out mid-air in one of his temper tantrums. Sure, he'd be "all sad" about it afterwards, but still.

R158, Manafort’s trial isn’t about Russia though. I believe the judge told both sides that Trump’s name shouldn’t be mention during the case. I don’t think Gates will testify about Trump or anything repeated this week.

Funny how Don Jr, frequent booster of his father, has a wife who bailed and didn't look back. Whereas Eric who has kept a slightly lower profile (at least he wasn't meeting with Kremlin agents) has the wife who has drunk all the Kool-aid.

It started during the campaign, when Trump, in reply to HRC at a debate, said, "No, YOU'RE the puppet."

Then it became that the Democrats colluded with the Russians; that Obama didn't try to stop the hacking.

And now it's "I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!"

Statement #1 is true, alas. The opening Dependent Clause of Statement #2 is merely Trumpian anti-history (Fascists hate history) braggadocio

What we have with Trump and the Republicans is a perfect storm of psychological projection, sociopathy, criminality, avarice, and propaganda.

r165 continued (posted in error) "....braggadocio; the Independent Clause ("they will be pushing....") is the non-lie lie, for a statement of prediction, however stupid, cannot be called false (the bread and butter of the tabloids), though it's not possible that the speaker himself believes it.

And the last statement #3 in the Tweet quote: "They definitely don’t want Trump!" is most interesting, as it SEEMS to say one thing: that the Russians don't want Trump; but GRAMMATICALLY, because a pronoun ALWAYS refers to its closest in-kind antecedent, "They" perforce refers to ITS closest plural antecedent: "Democrats". And "They definitely don’t want Trump!" So---again, no lie!

Is Trump aware of his language this much? Is his subconscious mind being both revelatory and protective? It takes a village...of psychiatrists!

[quote][R73], these are pro-Republican/fascist/Trump paintings, why are you posting them in these threads?

So we can [bold]LAUGH AND POINT AND MAKE FUN OF THEM[/bold].

I mean come on. It's like Norman Rockwell, Soviet socialist realism and Leni Riefenstahl had a 3-way baby.

In full nutbag-dicktater mode

r73 Because they show how freaking crazy right-wingers are that they think this guy is the most brilliant artist in the world? Because some of us have been on these threads since #1 and have similar senses of humor about this kind of thing? Because after posting articles and links all week sometimes it's nice just to post something silly?

Now, back to Don Jr (if that's ok with the thread patrol), Paul Manafort's notes from that meeting confirm exactly what they talked about. Why Trump is freaking out about it at *this* particular point, I don't know.

The words and phrases Manafort typed on his iphone during that meeting:

Bill browder

Offshore-Cyprus

133m shares

Companies

Not invest- loan

Value as Cyprus as inter

Illici

Active sponsors of RNC

Browder hired Joanna Glover

Tied into Cheney

Russian adoption by American families

And this Trump Tweet:

"Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower," the president tweeted. "This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics – and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!"

First of all, the Tweet's existence is evidence of "concerned." Indeed, the "complete fabrication" comprises all the words following that phrase.

Why add "wonderful" between "my" and "son"? Unnecessary interruptive words (would any father think less of a son?) show to me a basic hesitancy in claiming the essential words (as Trump knows his upcoming final sentence of betrayal will likely upset if not enrage Junior).

Then, the omission of ANY use of "Russia," "Russians," or "Putin," usually ubiquitous words, shows Trump is fully aware of the campaign laws, as he thinks that posting the actual acceptable and legal activity will be sufficient "cover" for his son and himself. He also is implying that even if what he did WAS illegal, hey, they all do it! Finally, to escape culpability would be the ONLY reason for the added words of failure: "it went nowhere."

But just in case, and to CHA, Trump, ever the narcissist with a history of berating his elder in front of others, adds, "I did not know about it!"

Was the word "wonderful" enough sugar for Junior, to make that last pill go down easy?

"berating his elder son..."

Oh, and "it went nowhere" is also a huge dig at Junior.

Breaking now:

I scrolled quickly through and thought the photo at R173 was Bush.

Who's hotter?

Oliver North (1987 version)

Or...

Today's evil, Paul Ryan?

I believe a poster in the previous thread was lamenting Rick Wilson's lack of appearances on MSNBC. He announced on Twitter that he'll be on Morning Joe tomorrow.

Seth Abramson....

Lindsey tweets with excitement over being interviewed by Sean Hannity.

Is Lindsey the self-appointed leader to get Kavanaugh confirmed?

Will confirming Kavanaugh assure a SCOTUS that has a majority view that a sitting President is immune from criminal prosecution?

Link at R178 doesn't work for me.

Here you go

Wait whoa R173 I thought President Twitler said Iran was our enemy and Obama giving them all that money for nothing was SAD?! I can't keep up with the frenemy list anymore.

Thanks, R181.

It’s a satire, r182. Oliver North was convicted in the Iran Contra scandal for his part in an illegal scheme to sell arms to Iran in the 1980s.

If even half of what that woman on Real Time said the other night is true, it explains a lot about Lindsey's behavior. So Trump is deliberately kept in place to distract us and keep the base entertained and active, while the Congress advances the Koch's agenda.

One thing we absolutely have to do this year is regain control of the state houses, legislatures, governors offices state courts, Sec of State offices, etc. We absolutely cannot allow the Republican Party extremists to control 30 or more states. It puts us in the gravest of danger as far as the Constitution goes. Amendments, etc.

Lindsey could be placating Trump as a distraction to carry out the Kochs and related agendas. However, Lindsey has tried to undermine the Mueller investigation by attacking the Steele dossier and the FISA warrants on Carter Page. Lindsey still bashes HRC over Emails and Benghazi as a deflection to Trump's sordid mess. Graham enjoys sashaying before the cameras and presenting himself as an objective expert on a host of matters. To the contrary, Lindsey is pure partisan.

I don't know why some posters in these threads get such "warm fuzzies" about LIndsey Graham.

Do they not remember his role in the Clinton impeachment 20 years ago?

Well I do.

He's always been an opportunistic piece of rat dung.

I hate the gay jokes about him and talking in his Southern Gay voice, too.

He's detestable.

R188 I do declare, it is just to show the irony of my denying y'all rights because I, myself, cannot openly parade my gentleman caller around. So, if I can't have any fun, y'all sure as heaven to Betsy ain't gonna have any fun.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's thought this, but does anyone else think that Putin sees Donnie as a Boris Yeltsin-ish loose cannon/oaf that he can quite easily manipulate?

R190 I think that is as clear as a window that was just windexed to within an inch of its life.

Useful idiot to the extreme. Putin knew which person and political party would easily sell out their country for power. It is always conservatives. Always.

Maybe, R190. Only Trump isn’t a hopeless drunk like Boris was.

Daddy Trump throwing Jr under the bus. Now, Trump admits the Tower meeting was to get info on Hillary from Russians (not about adoptions) and that Jr did a bad thing unintentionally...

I'm not sure I believe that r192

They are all criminals and should be arrested but I think Jarred is a terrible human being...a criminal family indeed.

I have been right about Republicans for 30 years...most people thought that they had morals but I did not hang on to that delusion, I knew what they were.

r196 same here. I've long known they were amoral, full of shit and used that family values ruse as trickery. They truly do not care about our society as a whole. They only care about themselves.

r173 is Borowitz.

People, please go back to reading critically.

But it is funny.

R185 I'm reposting this from the previous thread. It needs to be seen by as many here as possible...

Obviously, there's another dimension to the Trump-Putin relationship. Putin has some serious dirt on Trump, and Putin is in a position to blackmail.

That appears to be the reason Trump shows complete deference to Putin, refuses to criticize Putin, and supports pro-Putin policies.

It may be about financial transactions, I. e. hidden payments, money laundering, or sordid, undiscovered business adventures related to international illegal activities in past years. That is the $64 question. What is it? Does the Mueller team know? If it is nothing, then it is even more bizarre how Trump fawns to Putin.

R200 I think Dotard's ass licking of Putin is obviously because he's being blackmailed. As to what it is, I'd say all of the above.

I'm actually more curious as to what they have on the Senatrice.

With Dotard, from what we can tell, he has always licked Putin's boots. The Senatrice was vocal against Put Put and Dotard and then overnight did an about face.

There must be some serious shit Linz doesn't want out.

R201 - Re - Lindsey, it can't be gay stuff. Everyone knows he's gay (he is not fooling anybody) and that is not a crime. It must be something illegal...

R200, R201.... No offense, but I think both of you, (as well as most of the talking heads on cable news), are giving Trump too much credit. It's much more simple. Blackmail isn't necessary. Putin gave Trump POTUS. Plain and simple. Putin can giveth, and he can taketh away.

Really, what else would he need? (or "wouldn't"? I get those two words confused). !!!!

Prediction: The Manafort Trial is how the Bank of Cyprus gets added to ALL investigations.

Money laundering Trump = Ross + Bank of Cyprus + Manafort + Dmitry Rybolovlev + fake leonardo + 100million$ moldy Florida mansion

RICO

I don't think Donald Trump will run again. I think they are trying to set up handing it off to Ivanka.

I don't think so, R203. Dotard has been in financial debt for years and doing shady business with Russia for years. He ran for President because THEY wanted him in and because they told him to. I don't believe for a second he's done any of this on his own free will.

Additionally, has anything in the Steele Dossier been disproved?

Suave....

R206 I don't disagree. I'm sure Putin has a shitload. My point is, it's barely relevant. Trump WANTS to stay President. Even if all that other stuff didn't exist, he would still be under Putin's thumb for that one and only reason.

Comparing Trump to Yeltsin is sort of brilliant. It works.

R207 fun fact that I just discovered a few weeks ago about Gerardo - he was one of the co-stars in, "Can't Buy Me Love." He is also apparently the person who got Enrique Iglesias signed.

R208 I understand what you're saying but I just don't agree. Dotard seems to be the kind of idiot that doesn't care about getting caught that Put Put fixed it for him. At least, IMO, it's not a priority for him. His ego has always registered to me that the only truly embarrassing thing he's afraid of is being outed for being a Financial fraud.

R211 Either I don't get your point, or you don't get mine. I agree, Trump doesn't give a shit about getting caught. Putin keeps Trump as President by continuing to meddle in our elections, (among other things). Trump doesn't want to piss Putin off so that Putin will continue "backing" him, (among other things). As always, Trump is acting in ways to solely feed his self interest.

r202 It was reported Lindsey's Emails were hacked. Who knows what all would be on them? If there were names related to sexual escapades, or anything financially illegal happened, Lindsey would not want such disclosed. He may be just one of a bunch in the House/Senate that were hacked. Ruskies also followed, photographed, and probably video-taped people in places that were private.

Lindsey is assumed to be gay despite his denials. As long as he denies it, and his voting history has been anti-gay, he politically survives on this matter. If he gets "discovered", he would have a very difficult time surviving a primary in South Carolina.

R213 I was going to say the same thing. Everyone might suspect that Lindsey is gay but they don't know it. Having evidence that he is would be an entirely different thing.

R212 I understand what you're saying. I'm saying however that I'm of the belief that he is in fact being blackmailed. That's all.

Side note. Whoever made Reply 43 in the weird copycat, distraction thread, made me laugh.

Also the other person who caught that the person who started that thread was talking to itself psychotically (probably forgot to switch his browsers) also gets a thumbs up.

You are welcome r216

Hey, I pointed out that he's a QAnon nut job!

Thanks to you too, R281.

I really am a little disturbed at how much like Dotard that poster is. The way he repeatedly tried to distract and then make false accusations against OP and others (and actually doing the Dotard thing where it turned out he was projecting) and trying to sow seeds of dissent.

The talking to itself though, that was funny. Seemed pretty obvious he was using multiple browsers. If I had to guess I'd say it was the misogyny troll.

No doubt he's going to try again so we're gonna have to pay attention.

R218 not 281, obviously.

[quote]Additionally, has anything in the Steele Dossier been disproved?

As I dimly recall there was a person misnamed, and an incorrect location for a meeting. That's it.

R221 I'm thinking that Cohen can corroborate the meeting in Prague.

R221, the Dossier misidentified a Russian official who allegedly met with Carter Page. Page ultimately admitted that he had attended the meeting and had met with Russian officials, so that part of the Dossier is treated as essentially confirmed. Cohen initially claimed that he had not travelled to Prague when the Dossier said he did, but if the trip actually happened Mueller would have documentation.

THIS IS WHY WE CANNOT HAVE NICE THINGS!

The kitchen must be burning... you can smell the panic from the tweets.

To add to the festivity, Rosie O is coming for a "visit" tomorrow.

And she’s bringing some broadway cast to sing Do You Hear the People Sing from Les Miserables.

R227 They must be trying to drive him (more) insane....

Sometimes if I wonder if he's so mental he actually gets off on the protests. Protests = attention.

R224. Sean Hannity as a gentleman caller is too much to bear.

I thought Trump was going to be in Florida for the next two weeks. He won't be hearing this protest, unfortunately.

^Trunp is vacationing in New Jersey. The WH staff may hear it.

Children would rather be praised than punished, r229. But they'd rather be punished than ignored.

I think the plans are in place by the Russians to screw with the midterms and that was what Coates, Wray and the others were telling us in their press conference last week. If Putin's plan goes awry, he'll hold Trump responsible and unleash the hounds. And Trump knows it.

Thanks, R226, I've been planning on going over to the Kremlin Annex protest anyway -- but now that I know that there will be show tunes I'll definitely be there!!

Putin may try.

But if they’re watching him, and we keep the results from being anywhere near close, the risks to him from exposing his methods by broadly shooting his wad now (when he really wants to save it for 2020) are high.

R75, that makes sense.

I wonder what other nonprofits the Russians are using. Heritage?

I don't have any warm fuzzies about Graham. He's reprehensible, but I also find the character "Southern Senator of a Certain Persuasion, Lindsey Graham" hilarious. Maybe because I know how much the portrayal would piss him off.

I am still very curious about that shadowy meeting between Wendi Deng and Ivanka Trump in August 2016.

I've said this in other threads but as more and more time goes on I'm still surprised how there has been zero Dem involvement in any of this. Usually the nefarious players in politics play both sides but it seems this time the Russians knew exactly which corrupt bunch of bastards to get to play along. I hope we are watching the end of the Repugs.

[quote]I am still very curious about that shadowy meeting between Wendi Deng and Ivanka Trump in August 2016.

And Bernie and Jane skulking around the Vatican. WTH was happening in 2016?

OK so what if...

Trump steps down, and Pence steps down...the Speaker would assume the presidency....and that may be a Democrat? Is this political Sci-Fi? Would there be riots?

Well?

R238, The Trump base is pro 2nd Amendment. The NRA provided an established leviathan of lobbying and funding apparatus.

The only other motivated group with that kind of power and influence is the Fundamentalist pro-life Evangelicals. Untraceable money going to tax free churches would explain the blind eye Evangelicals throw to the sexual pervert, amoral Donald J. Trump.

Is there a way to audit Franklin Graham to discover if his funding is Russian? The Russians like to hijack a lobbying group for their destruction.

Russian co-optation of BOTH the NRA AND Evangelical Christians explains EVERYTHING about Trump's base and Trump's election.

The speaker is Ryan and he would cancel his retirement for that opportunity.

Trump will never step down.

About the same time in December 2015, evangelist Franklin Graham met privately with Putin for 45 minutes, securing from the Russian president an offer to help with an upcoming conference on the persecution of Christians. Graham was impressed, telling The Washington Post that Putin “answers questions very directly and

[quote] Untraceable money going to tax free churches would explain the blind eye Evangelicals throw to the sexual pervert, amoral Donald J. Trump.

That is certainly possible. But I think that they are simply a bunch of amoral whores who have no principles whatsoever at all other than the attainment of wealth and power -- thus, tRump is their real savior. They have co-opted religion as the means to that end and in the process have perverted any semblance of what Christianity is supposed to be about. Their "hands-off" treatment of Drumpf is in marked contrast to the horrendous things they said about Obama, as well as Bill and Hillary Clinton. Despicable doesn't even begin to describe these reich-wing Evangelicals.

If Putin provided them money, then that would have just been icing on the cake.

[quote]If Putin provided them money, then that would have just been icing on the cake.

Or cash to cement their relationship...

"Warm fuzzies" about Miss Lindsey?

That bitch! Why don't I receive that kind of luv?

Most of us are raised to value money and power over being good and benevolent. One can assume that when one is high up in the career ladder that he is an ambitious whore who does all sorts of sordid, sleazy, and (yes!) criminal things, to get further up. And all these conservative Christian and right wing organizations (like the NRA)? Money laundering schemes to keep this destructive Right Wing ideology alive and well.

Whatever happened to people just wanted a nice job, nice house, and happy family? Now everyone wants to be filthy rich. Everyone has delusions of grandeur. Hate to break it to you but with 1% having 90% of the wealth, the chances of you getting filthy rich have dwindled to near zero.

It is like 1 person have 9 out of the 10 slices of pizza and 9 of you are fighting over the one slice.

r251, That's the whole scam. The 1% let us fight over scraps and presents us with all sorts of distractions and scapegoats (loose women, non-Christians, gays, black people, etc.). And then they dangle this carrot of money and power over our heads that if we are being nice and obedient we might get a taste of that, but if that doesn't happen whose to blame? (loose women, non-Christians, ...)

What does the OP contribute besides the title anyway? How could we know when the OP doesn’t sign his/her post as in most threads.

Really? Bernie at the Vatican is on par with blatant treason by the repugs? OP should sign his post.

Someone in here contributes nothing, no links, no breaking news, just bickering with legit posters. Is that the OP? Any constructive posts?

Let’s go back to the original OP.

I demand an official investigation of the OP by the DL inspector general.

Is r242 the OP?

It seems sometimes there's a lull in the news coming out of the Trump aspect of this investigation. I wish the journalists would do a lot more with the dark money flowing in to non profits or from non profits into the coffers of the super pacs run by Ryan and McConnell. In fact there are some members of Congress who are up to their necks i this Russia stuff and they have not been properly exposed. I also feel like something sinister is going on for so many GOP members to decide they are "retiring." Something ugly.

Wanted to add that maybe we need a fuller deeper look into the Koch brothers. They hate to have a spotlight on themselves and they desere one.

R256 I'd like to know the same thing re: those that are retiring. Ryan and Gowdy, especially. Chaffetz's leaving has always been suspect too.

As far as Ryan ending his retirement to be President, I don't know if I agree. I think he's trying to cut out as soon as possible.

I know it's very murder board (Trial and Error), but you would need one hell of a board in order to put all the stuff that this Trump treachery entails. With each new news you can connect further dots, that you've already forgotten about, with new develpments and things from the past and it all makes it so much more real and true.

Of course for Deplorables it's all just really bad scrapbooking.

R245> If Trump's ass is facing impeachment and prison for treason or resigning, he will choose resignation to save his face and ass. This is a very real possiblity IF the Democrats take over the House and Senate or enough complicit Republicans are afraid of going to prison in the end.

I don't disagree that he wouldn't step down in order to save his own ass, with some bullshit excuse as to why he's actually doing it. The thing is, Pence wouldn't step down.

Well, not unless he gets caught up in the Mueller probe as well.... so let's hope they nab him for being head of the Transition team and lying about Flynn.

I believe that even when delusional Trump is dragged into a prison cell that he still believes he can escape his fate (Putin waiting personally in the escape car?). That guy got away with way too much to even plan for a way out or bow out gracefully. I imagine Trump will rather take down the entire GOP and their Koch Bros type donors, throw his entire family under the bus, push Sarah Sanders in a puddle of mud for a few more seconds in the White House looting the place.

Joe Scarborough needs a haircut. He looks young though for his age.

A read to start your mornings off.

Clearly they try to establish the "collusion is not a crime and therefore we didn't commit any crime by covering up a crime that isn't a crime in the first place!" narrative that Fox News pundit will ram down their viewers' throats the next few weeks.

There are only 30,000 paid journalist left in the US to cover 350,000,000 citizens (according to NPR debate this weekend).

That means that everybody has to be a journalist. You have to get reciepts and fight corruption and injustice. There’s nothing stopping citizens from doing their own investigations where possible and hold people accountable.

Don’t forget the reciepts.

Silicon Valley gets away with murder.

The amount of hate speech that flows through Facebook should be a crime. Dictators are using Facebook to control their populations and spy on them and to rally genocide, rape and murder.

And they just keep cashing their checks. “Let’s all meet for a yoga sesh in the boardroom!”

I want to fuck Rick Wilson. He is so manly and smart. His wife is a lucky lady. He’s a catch.

I disagree. I think we need to consider that if he resigned he would be "getting away with it." Trump is not a fool. In every single lawsuit or other legal situation he's been confronted with, he knows better than most, that at a certain point you have to settle. You have to negotiate a deal and settle the suit, pay the fine, etc., etc. Now he will get belligerent, he will protest, raise hell etc. so it seems as if he is not "losing." But he will eventually settle this legal matter. He will attempt to negotiate a deal for himself and he will do it by being menacing, blustering, bluffing, etc. He will live to fight another day. He will be a celebrity again, and he can go to rallies and brag about all the historic things he did and point to his "accomplishments" and live well. He will probably never get what he deserves, but he will be out of office. Bet on it. That's my take, anyway.

r251, Reality TV. "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" birthed the entire "Joneses?! I want to keep up with the Hiltons!" national attitude shift.

And now a few words from Kuntyanne.....

Rancid Rand....

God he looks like a boozehound on the loose.

They're finally realizing this? Good.

“We don’t have to put it [the press briefing] on television, we don’t have to put it on television live,” Rubin suggested on Sunday. “If by some chance she utters some morsel of accurate information it could be fact-checked and related to the audience. The same thing with the rallies — no reason to put them on live television.”

Facebook Removes Alex Jones And InfoWars Pages

Apple, Spotify and YouTube also have taken action against the conspiracy theorist’s content.

Jay Sekulow, an attorney for President Donald Trump, said Sunday that he made a mistake by denying Trump was involved in a misleading statement last year on Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting at Trump Tower with a Russian attorney.

"I had bad information at that time and made a mistake in my statement," Sekulow said on ABC's "This Week." "I've talked about that before. That happens when you have cases like this."

R269, a resignation doesn’t absolve him of the crimes. Plus Pence could be implicated. Trump should be tried to the fullest extent of the law. I don’t think the Ford/Nixon pardon works in this case because Trump is a traitor. It’s very different from Nixon. A point will have to be made.

"I had bad information at that time and made a mistake in my statement," Sekulow said on ABC's "This Week." "I've talked about that before. That happens when you have cases like this."

In common parlance: "My client is an unmitigated liar. Whataya gonna do?!"

[quote] Why was Hope Hicks on Air Force 1?

Sounds like the start of a bawdy joke; however, I heard she was out with Jared and Ivanka doing young people’s stuff the night before. Probably eating an unbaptized baby. That kind of thing. She took the trip as a “surprise”. WTF do people think that adults like “surprises” when they have other plans? If Trump were actually running the country, he’d have 5 minutes, if even that, for her on AF1.

Any network and anchor hosting Kellyanne Conway has no shame.

OH special election:

Democrats surging on eve of pivotal special election Republicans have deployed the full machinery of the party to avoid defeat in the final special election before the midterms.

Looks like Rand Paul is seeking Putin sponsorship for future political endeavors.

The Republican National Committee has opened two offices in the district, launched a $500,000-plus get-out-the-vote effort, and dispatched one of its top officials, Bob Paduchik, who ran Trump’s 2016 Ohio campaign. And outside conservative groups, led by a super PAC aligned with House Speaker Paul Ryan, have dumped more than $3.5 million onto the TV airwaves, far outpacing Democrats.

The all-out push underscores the GOP’s trepidation about the final special election before the midterms. A loss, following startling Republican defeats in Pennsylvania and Alabama, would offer more evidence that a blue wave is on the horizon. And it would further fuel fears of what’s becoming evident: that Democrats are simply more amped up, even in areas that have long been safely Republican.

Republicans Seem Very Worried About Tuesday’s Ohio Special Election

Paul Manafort’s First Trial Is a Sideshow. The Next One Won’t Be.

R287 is a big reason to have a lawyer. First, to know arcane law, like, it’s illegal to tape record a person or group of people in my state without disclosure (not NY, apparently); or, a contractor has 90 days to file a lien, then must file suit within 90 more days, [italic] but doesn’t have to tell you about the suit for 90 more days [/italic]. I just learned that. ‘Damn you, “Law & Order”’.’

Second, a lawyer is useful to provide a buffer between you and anyone you communicate with, so no one can ever quote you, if you’re a cretin. Like when you buy a home and the old owner told it was quiet, or pest free, etc., you thought, but it was only the realtor who maybe said that, not the owner. So, it’s all bollocked up and you don’t know who’s responsible for the loud ants.

[quote]ay Sekulow, an attorney for President Donald Trump, said Sunday that he made a mistake by denying Trump was involved in a misleading statement last year on Donald Trump Jr.'s meeting at Trump Tower with a Russian attorney.

I'm sure it's just coincidence that Sekulow and Trump changed their stories on the Trump Tower meeting the day after Mueller witness Hope Hicks met up with Trump.

[quote]Jared and Ivanka doing young people’s stuff the night before. Probably eating an unbaptized baby.

In my day I always preferred to eat baptized babies.

Now I'm not nearly so picky.

[quote]Why was Hope Hicks on Air Force 1?

She was clearly there to suck someone’s cock. The only question is whose.

Congressman Tim Ryan Speaks at Netroots National Annual Conference 2018

Stephanie Ruhle has some huge knockers. Good grief.

This Iran stuff is a bore. It feels like a rerun.

I’m so ready for this report.

Come on Mueller.

Jr already out of the news? Jeez the media has ADHD.

R294> Nope - MSNBC still talking about Jr. - all morning and now.

CNN talking about Jr/Tower meeting too.

Why don’t they chase people with cameras and mics anymore?

Like how does jr even defend this?

He sold out this county and it shouldn’t go unpunished.

LOL Rex Tillerson quit Exxon for nothing. That was his baby.

What a loser. I realized at a young age that just because you’re a C.E.O. doesn’t mean that your secretary isn’t smarter than you.

And he is a perfect example of how a low IQ idiot can soar to the top. He is a dumb redneck, despite the pedigree.

He lost his perch at the most profitable company in history. FOR NOTHING!

FOOL!

Junior is a major fuck-up. Now it is down to Kentucky Paul and Miss Lindzey to be next in line. And Miss Lindzey has personal demands for me that are beyond the pail.

this is the kind of news that should be a special bulliten on all the networks.

Jr is busted, conspired to sell out the country

R294 is the guy desperately trying to be the new OP. It's obviously posting feverishly now in an effort to waste posts.

Pale @ 299

My English no perfect.

Tuesday is going to be an awesome day.

Wilson’s book comes out and OH Repugs are going to creamed in a landslide even though they’ve spent millions and brought in the heavyweights.

Trump's tweet about the meeting is going to prove to be a very serious problem for a lot of people, Cheatolini included.

[quote] It's obviously posting feverishly now in an effort to waste posts.

Which just means that the real OP will get to post another thread and the fake OP can go crazy all over again.

I’m not so sure about this OP. The other OP might have been a troll, but this one is shady.

It doesn’t sign its post.

It talks about itself in 3rd person.

It contributes nothing

Picks fights with constructive posters.

Insists on controlling the title and pictures.

Was blocked by half the board at one point or another.

I think we should get new OPs periodically.

When this one winds down I’m gojng to start the next one. Post some title suggestions.

Can someone explain r304?

Makes no sense from top to bottom.

“I was the OP of thread number 6 from last December. I have been more happy to cede responsibility....So, since it's not broken, let's not try to fix it.”

Ok so the OP of a single thread is now calling the shots? Thanks for permission. We are so honored to be allowed to continue.

God R305 get help. You keep making false accusations and cant ever back any of it. You're obviously unhinged. Give it a rest.

Iran: YAWN!

This is so screwed up I don’t know where to begin.

^ WASHINGTON — Two of America’s biggest steel manufacturers — both with deep ties to administration officials — have successfully objected to hundreds of requests by American companies that buy foreign steel to exempt themselves from President Trump’s stiff metal tariffs. They have argued that the imported products are readily available from American steel manufacturers.

Charlotte-based Nucor, which financed a documentary film made by a top trade adviser to Mr. Trump, and Pittsburgh-based United States Steel, which has previously employed several top administration officials, have objected to 1,600 exemption requests filed with the Commerce Department over the past several months.

^ Corporate cock-blockers

Ohio 12 includes a big chunk of the city of Columbus, gerrymandered to dilute the extremely liberal vote here. We've gotten a Danny O'Connor flyer everyday for the past three weeks, texts and emails. For our five canvassers have been to our house. They need to GOTV. If they do, the Dems can win this. Every third house in my block has an O'conner sign.

My local newspaper e-version, which has always had a few regular trolls with several sock puppet accounts, has gone fucking insane the last few days with hundreds of brand new accounts all screaming "MAGA" and "Winning" and extremely pro-Trump and screeching about fake news and fake media, Hillary and "Obumbler" and "WITCH HUNT". You can tell brand new accounts because they use a ranking system. You start at 0 and go up as you post. Something serious is about to go down with Dumpy because the trolls are freaking out and really going after WaPo.

One regular poster tracked down the origins of some of the shit and said the trolls were coming from Breitbart and Qanon. Even found a comment with advice on keeping track of screen names.

Any title suggestions for the next thread?

Why the fuxk are you asking for titles already? Are you that desperate? Why are you so hellbent on ruining these threads?

Jesus this guy has posted 80x in a row just to kill discussion and start the new thread.

Why do you think that is, r316? Just FF and block.

Can I just say how heartening it is to see such clear trolling? It reeks of desperation to distract and derail this thread. Sorry, Russia and deplorables, the truth will out! We see your efforts for what they are and we ain’t going down without a fight!

Feeling SO optimisic these days. Since 2016, it’s been a slog but now we’re reaching the point wherethe dots are starting to connect and everyone is seeing the same picture. It’s moving the dialogue from ‘dems sour grapes’ to ‘undeniable conspiracy.’ Bring on the fireworks and the blue wave!

This is my working title for the next thread in hopes that it gets back to the great thread that it once was.

Within Treason (The Mueller Investigation part 43)

It doesn’t matter who starts it as long as the new OP signs the posts and is constructive.

Stick to the Mueller investigation and related. Half the thread is about silly new thread titles, fussing about the OP, and trading jabs. The intention is to derail.

Exactly r 318. I agree. They are getting scared and bring up Bernie and everything but the kitchen sink.

Detailing a thread is not the same as chasing out trolls so keep up the good work. Be vigilant.

EXACTLY, R320.

And back to the subject, it’s heartening that the news is finally waking up.

Can you come back r323 we need a new OP. One signs their posts like you. Someone honest and straightforward.

[Quote] I blocked him too. And I just figured out why today.

Why don't you tell us why?

I've done Ignore-Dar on the OP and never find any misogynistic posts or derailing posts that I can discern.

Tell us his crap that you've seen.

the issue somewhat faded until r304 stirred it up again

the mysogeny troll has not been in this thread yet so I don’t know what reciepts they have

let’s just get back to the subject and hopefully posters like r304 will let sleeping dogs (third party distraction OPs) lie.

Ew! Okay, the guy who tried to start the other thread (Treason, Treason, Treason) and has done much derailing is a Scat Troll!!!!!!!!

Do Ignore-dar and you will see that the guy so desperate for a different OP is actually a Scat Troll obsessed with his own and others' shit.

EXPOSED!

R 325 older post fall off after a while. It was all Bernie this and Bernie that mixed in with bickering. everybody else was posing articles and being constructive.

Who cares this shit is blowing wide open anyway it doesn’t seem so underground anymore. I don’t feel crazy anymore because most sane people now know what we’ve been saying for the last 2 years.

I hope it keeps going and gets fun again. We need a good payoff

R327 how can you tell when he deleted zapped his history when hisnthrwad failed.

R325 because there aren't any. I've checked OP's history multiple times and none of the stuff R305 repeatedly keeps throwing has ever manifested itself to be true. Repeated requests for specific posts / examples always go unanswered. I think this troll is obsessed with OP and frankly, I think it is the "misogynist troll," because the tone is the same. It seems to also talk to itself (as evidenced by the other thread it tried to start).

And this bullshit about "signing" posts is ridiculous. You don't get to tell anyone they have to sign their posts. The fact that we can check someone's history is enough. It's also bizarre that this person keeps screaming about other people's posting history and derailing the thread when we can see his history.

All of this by this person is to distract. Look at all the strange tactics. Sounds Drumpfian, doesn't it?

I agree though that we should just ignore. And I'd be wary of any thread it starts because it has spent so much fucking time trying to derail this one.

[quote]R 325 older post fall off after a while. It was all Bernie this and Bernie that mixed in with bickering. everybody else was posing articles and being constructive.

That's a bunch of bullshit because none of these threads have had extensive talk about Bernie. Why do you insist on making shit up?

And are you basically just saying you're a Bernie supporter who is pissed off if anyone mentions his name?

Trolling is like scamming from India. At this point only the senile, flinty and stupid will interact, so I assume the trolls are just doing it for the paycheck. With less than 100 days to go, and at least 150 million "thought-unencumbered" Americans eligible to vote, i'm restricting interaction with trolls to pointing them out publicly if they haven't been exposed, and posting some slash fiction premise about their "beloved" oligarchs and mob bosses.

Did we all see Twitler's latest this morning? I'm not linking as I don't want to add clicks to his feed.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump “Collusion with Russia was very real. Hillary Clinton and her team 100% colluded with the Russians, and so did Adam Schiff who is on tape trying to collude with what he thought was Russians to obtain compromising material on DJT. We also know that Hillary Clinton paid through....

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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump ....a law firm, eventually Kremlin connected sources, to gather info on Donald Trump. Collusion is very real with Russia, but only with Hillary and the Democrats, and we should demand a full investigation.” Dan Bongino on @foxandfriends Looking forward to the new IG Report!

7:25 AM - Aug 6, 2018 23.6K 15.7K people are talking about this

So R327 desperate to be the new OP troll is Erna? Makes total sense now.

It appears that some posters checked the OP history too late. It only shows the most recent posts.

Some of you need an editor. Nobody’s going to read through 5 paragraphs of dreck.

What a shitting mess of contradictions. Why should we investigate when he already tweeted that collusion is not illegal?

Nice try, R335. That's basically the response of someone caught lying.

Jesus, the degree of stupidity coming from Trump is astounding. IF Russia had worked against Trump’s election, we know how Trump would have reacted. He would have thrown childish tantrum after tantrum at Russia. He’d behave towards them as he does towards Canada or most of the EU.

Instead, we have Trump who is giving weekly verbal blow jobs to Putin. No one with two brain cells will buy his “Democrats colluded” bullshit.

Dems zero in on Kavanaugh ties to judge in sexual harassment scandal

Anonymous vows to take down, expose QAnon

“Collusion with Russia was very real. Donald Trump and his team 100% colluded with the Russians, and so did Donald Trump, Jr. who is on tape trying to collude with what he thought was Russians to obtain compromising material on HRC. We also know that Donald Trump paid through a law firm, eventually Kremlin connected sources, to pay off porn stars. Collusion is very real with Russia, but only with Trump and the GOP, and we should demand a full investigation.”

FTFY.

. . . and as an added virtue, in light of what we now know, R341’s post actually makes sense.

Anon has finally shown up again? I thought they had disbanded.

When I think this Russian mess can't get any more idiotic, the president opens his mouth and it gets stupider. I need a break from this but I am addicted to these threads

Is T-Rump pulling this stuff about Adam Schiff and HIllary Clinton asking the Russians for dirt on him out of his capacious ass, or is he embroidering some demonstrable factoid? I googled and couldn't find anything outside his tweet.

r345, I assume re Hillary, Trump is jumbling up the facts about the Steele Dossier. But now his story is so convoluted that it's hard to glean the tiny kernel of truth within which is she contracted a US to do oppo research.

^ a US *firm*

Also perfectly legal, btw. Trump is weak on legal technicalities and it drives him insane.

Lol @r242.

A Major Conservative Donor Is Meddling In A Democratic Primary In Kansas

OP of the past few threads in this series. Just going to take a minute to address some things so that the person who wants to start the next thread can stop wasting all of your time with unnecessary posts derailing the thread.

To say that I'm trying to "control" these threads is ridiculous and says more about the person saying that then it does about me. I have kept a compiled list of everyone's suggestions and have used them accordingly. I've continued starting the new threads to make sure someone did and in an effort to keep the discussion going. To try to say that I've tried to limit discussion, haven't contributed to the threads, etc. makes no sense at all and only sounds like someone trying to make anything stick. My posting history is up for anyone to check.

I couldn't care less if someone wants to start the new thread, just as long as it gets done. The OP of this entire series did everyone a solid by creating this series and its generated some really important conversation. That discussion needs to continue and it doesn't need to be derailed by someone who is more interested in becoming the new OP.

So carry on and hopefully this gets the person to stop wasting posts in a race to be the new thread starter.

I put the person trolling to be the new OP on ignore and JFC. Dozens of posts in a row disappeared cause they're just making filler posts. As someone said earlier, ignore and don't engage.

OP thanks for all your effort!

R328 here.

OP is owed an apology. I got two posters mixed up. OP is not the third party control freak that is a different poster. That is the one who was stirring it up.

not the op.

Forgive the confusion. This other troll was successful at mucking things up. But it was my fault.

Long live the OP.

**hugs Op**

Sorry just went back and realized that I blocked the 3pt AND the OP so it looked like it was all one poster.

**flogs self**

Okay, I've been gone. We have a troll who wants to be the new OP to control shit?

That sounds a lot like a certain LV hotel maid we all know. She was a total control freak and rarely participated in threads she did not start herself. She's also a Trumpster and pedo conspiracy whacko.

Anyone on this thread who discusses the title of the next thread or the identity of the OP of this thread is guilty of TREASON!

STAY ON TOPIC you fruits

So there is apparently a huge war goin in between the classic maga supporters and the new QAnon sect.

For example:

Buckminster @thatcolinbell Yuuuuup.

Btw on reddit right now there's a big flame war ongoing between the main Trump sub (the_Donald) and the main Q sub (greatawakening). It is truly marvelous. Great preview of what the fuckstick class is going to look like when Daddy is no longer there to keep them focused

@willsommer

MAGA-world is in a civil war over QAnon.

The teams are:

Anti-Q:

Jack Posobiec

Scott Adams (The Dilbert Guy)

Kurt Schlichter

Sean Spicer

Alex Jones / Jerome Corsi

Assorted Pizzagaters and Youtube conspiracy theorists

And on the Pro-Q side:

Roseanne Barr

Curt Schilling

Bill Mitchell (?)

Hollywood D-lister Isaac Kappy

This one guy named Lionel

And assorted Pizzagaters and Youtube conspiracy theorists

@TheRickWilson Make careful notes of the Trump cheerleaders who are trying to back away from the QAnon craziness.

Many of them were ALL IN on Pizzagate, Seth Rich, et al.

Clint Watts was on MSNBC last week warning about Q-Anon. I believe it was on Deadline: White House. John Heilemann was subbing for Nicolle. Anyway, he believes it needs to be taken very seriously and listed his reasons. If I'm able to find a clip, I will post it.

I guess this is a wrap then. Good riddance.

Hilarious R362, its like Dumber and Dumber

r333, could Trump be any more dumb? Adam Schiff conspired with Hillary Clinton and the Russians to do what? Adam Schiff? ADAM SCHIFF???

The only guy who could beat Obama in a "staying calm" contest, that Adam Schiff? Mr. Downright Reasonable who never flys off the handle during interviews on Trump or well anything else really.

Damn Trump, if you're gonna lie, at least make it somewhat believable.

Adam Schiff...LOLOL

This merits re-posting from the previous thread. It's Sarah Kendzior warning about the 2018 mid-term election. I had posted the entire first segment, which I urge everyone to see, but the link has been removed. Equally important was Malcolm Nance's response. Try to seek it out if you can. Thanks,

Countdown to Chicago tweet.

This is the story from my local paper I commented on above. Not sure what triggered it but we were deluged by trolls posting as new accounts but some of them managed to make it look like they had ranks of 1265 but only 2 or 3 comments. Does anyone know how they could have pulled that off?

Thank you, r368. This is another which should be re-posted at times.....

R371 I agree. There are so many important stories that have come out, it's amazing how some fairly crucial ones have slipped thru the cracks. Another has to do with Russian Spy Maria Butina's many connections and "coincidences". They one that was most glaring to me was an email intersected with a Russian expressing distaste for Trump's choice of Mitt Romney for SOS. Then within days, the-unknown-to-Trump Rex Tillerson suddenly gets the job. Why isn't more being made of that?

We have to keep re-posting certain stories so they're not forgotten!

The biggest revelation in the Butina charging documents thats being neglected BY EVERYONE is that there are secret societies within the GOP that are aligned with Russia. That explains a lot about whats been happening.

These clab backs on Facebook deplorables are hilarious.

“hes too poor to buy diapers for his baby so he use his maga hat for diapers”

^^^^^....and that they were forced underground after the election when attention shifted to Russia and with the appointment of Mueller....but that they are still active. ^^^^^^

r373, those will come out in later indictments.

Hopefully friends of Mother Russia, like Dana R. will be swept up.

No one has forgotten.

R373, are you the poster who keeps posting about the “secret societies” revelation? It’s always the exact same wording (and capitalization of certain words). Do you have anything new to offer on this topic or are you just posting about it (again with the same exact wording) in order to keep it fresh in our memories?

I have R376 on block. What is it saying?

r378 probably has me on block because I called him a cunt on some other thread.

Typical.

r377....It needs to stay fresh in everyones memories....with every new revelation it becomes more relevant. Everyone asks WHY ? Why are the GOP protecting Trump ? Why are republicans continuing to travel to Russia and defending them ? Why isnt anyone enforcing sanctions ? Why isnt anyone doing anything about election security ? We have the answer, but nobody is saying it out loud. Nobody is pointing fingers and asking questions. Nobody is attempting to expose it. If the allegations are true, we have bigger problems than Trump and if we dont act with surgical precision to eliminate it, our democracy and constitution may be in lethal jeopardy.

Well that’s a good reason then. Carry on.

I don’t know what R373 typically posts about, R377, but I have to agree that this part has not been widely discussed even though it’s pretty interesting within the context of the Russia investigation.

Especially when you have people like Rand Paul suddenly visiting Russia and becoming friendly with a country that has attacked our elections.

It's lovely there this time of year, r380!

To be fair there has been zero coverage on the russian-repug society. It came out in court transcripts then zilch.

Big media companies need to be doing their own investigations about this network. We can’t wait on mueller for everything. That is their responsibility.

I bet the right team of investigators could get to the bottom of it, in addition to the Mueller team.

I remember when shows like 60 minutes and Dateline used to go after powerful factions and effectively shut them down.

R324

Another thing that needs to be looked at further is Ivanka’s meeting with Wendi Deng right after giving birth to her third child, which was highly unusual.

I know that with so many things happening almost daily, it’s hard to keep track of everything that happens within this administration, but there are many open questions that I would like to see answered at some point.

Yes, r386, THAT!

why would you wait for big media companies? Citjourno dot org has some investigative journalists. Twitter accounts @ninaandtito, @spicyfiles, @LincolnsBible for some.

I’m sure Mueller has a white bird with their top ten unanswered questions. The Ivanka/Wendi Deng was probably on it briefly before he found out what really went down there. (I’m sure Mueller knows by now.) I would personally love to know why Ivanka closed down her clothing line all of a sudden. What about thise special patents she just received from China (in a very hinky way)? Do they have anything to do with her line of clothes?

*whiteboard

Remember when the Trump campaign was supposed to give a press conference regarding Melania’s dubious immigration status after questions emerged? The other press conference amongst many that never happened?

While this is not related to the Russia investigation, I’m just stunned by the number of unanswered questions that Trump has been able to get away with, especially when you consider how HRC was grilled over Benghazi and Obama was almost lynched because he wore a tan suit. The reality we live in now is 1984 with the repeat button pushed.

R391 Lawrence O' Donnell hasn't forgotten. He still mentions it from time to time.

When Junior was before Congress, it was confirmed he was under oath. It looks apparent he gave false testimony. That is a felony.

"When critics called for the removal of Bill Cosby's star from the walk of fame amid multiple sexual assault claims leveled against the comedian, the Hollywood Chamber of Commerce said it did not remove stars over backlash and cited historical landmark status. "

Lindsey Graham had another golf outing with DJT yesterday. See the second post.

New instructions?

R389 Yet another question: WHAT is Tre45onous Tramp hiding on his TAX RETURNS?

The Manhattan Madam to render testimony before the grand jury pertaining to Roger Stone activities.

R400 The Manhattan Madam says she's worked for Roger Stone since 2010 doing Web design and writing position papers.

Oh my sides!

Is Roger Stone wearing a suit three sizes too big for him? Look at the shoulders. Look at all the extra fabric.

What is it with all these rich GOP assholes who don't know how to buy a proper fitting suit?

Is that a Kama Sutra thing, r401?

Anyone thinking DJT's allies in the House are backing-off in attacking the Mueller investigation? Nope, they are still very aggressive and personal.

Here is Louie "Take Your Meds" Gohmert on Twitter:

[quote] The Manhattan Madam says she's worked for Roger Stone since 2010 doing Web design

Oh what a tangled web we weave...

They think those oversized suits, especially the shoulder pads, make them look bigger. It actually makes them look smaller and drowning in fabric.

[quote] Is Roger Stone wearing a suit three sizes too big for him? (...) What is it with all these rich GOP assholes who don't know how to buy a proper fitting suit?

Are you really surprised? What gay man, or suitmaker, would touch these creeps to take their measurements?

Do the madame's position writings include doggy style and reverse cowgirl?

This case is so huge, maybe another Special Council should be hired?

To those who watched Rick Wilson on "Morning Joe," was anyone surprised to hear "only" fifty GOP Reps & Sens were all-in, defend-to-the-death Trumpanzees?

I wish Wilson had said "Cowardice" rather than "chickenshit" -- it wouldn't have been bleeped out, and maybe some awakening TV watchers would have a question mark in their heads: "Hey, why should we taxpayers be hiring cowards and treasonweasels when they get paid more money from foreign entities to legislate against us?" He does an "oopsie did I say that?" on asshole but not on chickenshit.

I wonder if there'll be any Republicans returning to DC with a new spine. I hope so.

Love how Rachel occasionally reminds people ‘Whatever happened to the inauguration money?’ Other unanswered questions I wanna resolve are ‘Who tried to set up the media with the fake ‘leaked’ documents from the FBI/CIA that turned out to be fraudulent?’ And will Scott Pruitt face repurcussions from his time at the EPA or will he get away with all his shenanigans?

Thanks R410 I wondered what he said to get bleeped. I thought Wilson and Scarborough had a come to Jesus moment this morning when they admitted the racist rot that fueled Trump's rise has been part of their party all along, and they had been in denial about it.

I'm glad to read that about Wilson. I like his writings on Trump, I like his way with words.. but he was part of the problem all along. He worked for Rudy for years. He was the one who made the Jeremiah Wright ads. He made the attack ad comparing Max Cleland, a man who lost both legs and one arm in Vietnam, to Bin Laden. I'm the glad the guy is Never Trump, but he has a really sleazy past.

Rick Gates has taken the stand in the Manafort trial.

Gates says he committed crimes while working with Manafort.

Spill the beans, Ricky!

[Quote] Never forget.

I LOVE Kathy Griffin DRAGGING these Conservatives!

I've blocked the troll posting about the OP and OMG he was posting nonstop!

I've also noticed an uptick in threads slamming big cities like SF and NYC and basically anything liberal. Hmmmmm I wonder what that is all about????

[Quote] Rick Gates ran through a list of crimes that he said he helped Paul Manafort commit. He said that he and Manafort told an accountant, incorrectly, that Manafort did not have foreign bank accounts. Gates said he did this "at Mr. Manafort’s direction."

Hunny, If Melania and her friend pocketed any of that Inauguration $$$$ Mellie will turn on Donald in a heartbeat if they let her keep it ...in lieu of a divorce settlement. $26 Million is not chump change. Of course her friend who recieved the money got a fee but Melania will still keep about $20 Million for herself. It's probably already in Cyprus as we speak.

On Trump's attacks projecting onto Adam Schiff "No you're the puppet"-style about his own Russian collusion:

Not sure if there is one particular thing that he's spinning into a dark web of conspiracy and lies.

I'm sure though that Schiff is singled out because of the prospect he'll become the House Intel Committee chairman if the blue wave washes out the Rethug majority in November. Trump does what he always does, projecting his own crimes and misdemeanors onto the opposition and pre-emptively lying and attacking before Schiff re-opens the investigations in order to try and discredit them.

Really, someone in the media should use "stop projecting!" to shut these Right Wingers up. Because that's all they do. They lie and project their own flaws and crimes onto others.

I'm on holiday touring Europe and haven't had much change to follow things. Just read about Cheeto and Jr.'s admissions which in every other case would be a bombshell leading to political suicide and criminal charges.

Remind me, did Jr lie to Congress that Cheeto wasn't involved in the letter -- at least I think he lied but every day brings so many new lies and obfuscations from the Orange clan and their minions in Congress that I can't keep up

The MSM contine to sugarcoat headlines. Trump admitting to de facto lying to people for months about Don Jr.'s letter becomes "Trump changes tune about meeting".

"Changes tune" for a major admission? What's wrong with these editors?

Liar in Chief. That's how he should be addressed in the media. Or illegitmate POTUS.

Did a few Ignore-Dars on the last few Tre45on threads and discovered:

The "I already Blocked the OP!" Troll has conversations with himself. He has been accused of being a homophobe.

The "Why Aren't THE DEMS Taking To The Streets with Violence?!" Troll may appear to be gone but he isn't. After being called out loudly a few threads ago, he's toned down his attempts to get THE DEMS to be violent Anitfas but he's still slipping ideas in there. I capitalized THE DEMS because that's how you know it's him if you don't want to use Ignore-Dar. He constantly uses that exact phrase, as well as Cheetolini, President Bone Spurs, and mentions Bernie a lot. He just posted in this thread a few posts up from me.

The guy in this thread complaining about the "I already Blocked the OP!" Troll, is the one who accused the BLOCKED! Troll of being a homophobe.

I hate to say it, but the OP of these latest threads does clear his coolies or does some process that wipes out his history, even though he says he doesn't.

While we are bringing up questions that shouldn’t be forgotten one that comes from my personal life not the media.

How did the White House CFO get his job? To recap he was the VP for finance for IDT, the Israeli company that created the technology that allows international calls to appear domestic. In that role he traveled frequently to Russia where he worked on the sale of IDT’s Russian operations to Vekelsberg’s company Renova in a deal brokered by Deutsche Bank. This was 2006.

Then he was the CFO of a Queens firm that was a “non-traditional” lending agency.

Then White House CFO - wtf

Rosie O’Donnell just KILLED it on Ari Melber. I was not expecting that. She blasted MSNBC for their fawning, giggly coverage of candidate Trump as well as their continued coverage of his hate speech rallies.

Rosie is a smart woman and she said many things during the interview today that we’ve been saying forever on DL. MSNBC helped create the monster in the White House, and they need to be held accountable.

Rosie was right on in everything she said in that Melber interview a short time ago.

Melber was....well a lawyer.

Melber's on with Rob Reiner right now, gotta go watch!

Damn, no Ari Melber rerun on MSNBC tonight?

r427 What is the name of the White House CFO you are talking about?

Saw this on Reddit:

tRump: my campaign did not collude -BUT- my son colluded -BUT- I didn't know -BUT- it's not a crime -BUT- Hillary did it and should be investigated for the crime of collusion. Somebody please hook a generator to Trump's circular bullshit vortex, and solve the energy crisis!

MSNBC was very hostile to Hillary. They played into the narrative of every single negative thing being pushed about her. I tuned out from summer 2016 until this year. I was so livid and held them accountable with my Nielsen box. If turn the channel every time they go to a "rally" of his.

If there is a God she will make sure that Trump sees Melber's interview with Rosie in its entirety.

I’m glad that Rosie brought up Reality Winner. I can’t believe the woman is in jail when she acted like a patriot and the demented orange one is in the White House, now openly colluding with Putin.

Does anyone know anything about the judge in Manafort's trial? Because he seems extremely hostile towards the prosecution.

Yeah , I’ve been seeing comments by trumptards about how the judge is putting the prosecution in their place and gloating that he seems to favor Manafort.

Why have I been seeing all these pro-Kavanaugh commercials with "liberals" touting his fairness. GAWD those fucking KOCH bros need to DIE already. Fingers crossed they get swept up in this Russian mess and go down hard.

r373, Explains a lot about the media, also: To a one, they are afraid of opening that can of worms, the depth of the treason, especially as the cabal probably comprises Evangelicals.

The general media KNOWS that it's a propaganda tool used by their owners to control the narrative aka the owners' / Right Wing agenda. For the one side it's "Duh, Captain Obvious!" for the other it's "FAKE NEWS!".

r438, what court recaps are they hearing about? Not the ones in reality that's for sure.

Manafort is in big, big trouble especially after his co-hort Gates testified against him today.

It has occurred to me that we actually didn’t learn anything new from Turnip. He confirmed what we already knew, that’s all.

[quote]I hate to say it, but the OP of these latest threads does clear his coolies or does some process that wipes out his history, even though he says he doesn't.

I don't think so. When I click on posts of the OP I can see History go back to Part 35. Even within those results, sometimes I see a string of like 30 posts, sometimes I only see 10. Next time I'll check I'll see 30 again. It's just how DL works. For instance, when I check your history, I only see 4 posts. Do you clear your cookies?

Also, as I just checked OPs History right now, OP gave us, "TRE45ON! " Thanks for that!!!

Side note, just did another search on OP and it gave me results all the way back to Part 23 (Dangerous Tre'asons) - one of my favorites! Anyway, the results seem to vary each time you search.

I’m quick when it comes to blocking Trumpers, Igors, racists, etc., but I haven’t blocked OP.

Can we just focus on the thread and not derail it with accusations against OP and conspiracy theories? Or maybe start a separate thread to complain about OP’s alleged misogyny and use this thread for dirty Trumputin topics?

The TV talking heads keep neglecting to mention that the Russians were trafficking in stolen goods (emails). I understand that receipt of stolen property is a crime.

[quote]It has occurred to me that we actually didn’t learn anything new from Turnip. He confirmed what we already knew, that’s all.

It's not about learning something new about Trump, it's about the official CONFIRMATION of what we already believe is true. Just like when sordid gossip, becomes an actual, legit fact that's being reported by the press, because they have the receipts.

R446 are you the one that keeps bringing up Wendi Deng in each of these threads? If so, please continue to do so.

[quote]It's not about learning something new about Trump, it's about the official CONFIRMATION of what we already believe is true. Just like when sordid gossip, becomes an actual, legit fact that's being reported by the press, because they have the receipts.

And let's all remember that every damn thing that HRC said about him has come true.

R451 they can urge him all they want... he won't. He can't help himself.

[quote] R155: So ignorance of the law IS an excuse according to President* Trump? I'll have to remember that.

Actually, the law was written so that in this rare case, ignorance is a valid excuse. However, Jr. has also lied to Congress. It was under oath, too. And he no doubt like to the FBI. He probably obstructed Justice, too, so Jr. isn’t getting off, unless it’s via a full pardon.

I think Mueller will make some high profile inditements before Labor Day, since the FBI apparently lays low in the Sep before the midterms. Thank God.

R444, Every night, I run a Malware scan which has the side effect of clearing my cookies. It's not done to obfuscate my posting history. I'm just paranoid about viruses since I got one two years ago plus Ransomware.

My main point was that the guy shrieking about "The Dems!" is still here; he's just toned it down somewhat for the nonce, probably waiting for some way to bring up his hatred for Nancy Pelosi again.

Trump, jr. will go down hard for lying under oath. It's like Al Capone going to prison for tax fraud instead of the other, more severe, crimes that didn't stick (because the witnesses kept dying / disappearing).

For chrissakes, they didn't let Martha get away with shit!

r456, it's indictments.

Just a pet peeve of mine.

[quote]Remember when the Trump campaign was supposed to give a press conference regarding Melania’s dubious immigration status after questions emerged? The other press conference amongst many that never happened?

Personally, I'm still waiting for the Fake News Awards.

"I'd Rather be a Russian Than a Democrat"

Traitor Trump, traitor deplorables.

Wow r462, if Ronald Reagan could be alive to see this...

It would kill him all over again.

R428 Ain't it sad that we have all these "smart" journalists and it takes a Rosie O'Donnell to state the obvious to them? Trump was never a legitimate/vetted candidate since he has a crime trail that stretched back decades. It wasn't just the National Enquirer that covered up for him. It was the whole MSM which drank the Kool-Aid the crap the GOP was serving because it was good for the ratings.

Why do you think he went OFF when Rosie mocked him on the View. He went unhinged. Rosie is smart and knows her shit. She also knows personal stuff that is embarrassing to him. He once said the only women who turned him down were Madonna and Princess Di. Being Madonna'a BFF, Rosie knows the story about running into T**** at a party when she was with Madonna. Upon Rosie telling Madonna what he said about her to his face, Madonna apparently went into such hysterical laughter she had to walk but not before she named several women SHE KNEW had turned him down. Trump has harbored an intense hate for both since. It is no wonder Rosie triggers the shit outta him.

r464, and don't forget.....HER E-MAILS!!!!!!

R432 he isn’t a public figure at this time so I don’t want him to google his name and find this thread, but you can google idt and White House CFO together.

Trial Takeaways

He holds a significant public office, R467; he is, legally, a public figure.

r467 I will take the risk of naming him - David Feit.

r437 Judge Ellis is a Republican. He is criticizing the prosecution to let his Republican friends know that he is still on their side. The evidence against Manafort is overwhelming - Ellis won't be able to prevent a conviction unless there are deplorables on the jury who vote not guilty.

Bob Mueller is a Republican, too. I wouldn’t read too much into the judge’s behavior. I think Ellis is just a grumpy old man.

I guess we'll have to wait to see how he treats the defense case. Right now he's acting like an asshole.

R473 - ITA.

Avanatti interviewed this week. Yummy.

Have we contributed anything to the civil society side of the effort to figure this out?

Can't wait to read the definitive history in a decade. I hope absolutely everything is revealed.

Smart lesbians on Mueller, She Wrote.

I think Rudy G. may have had a stroke:

There is a moron on Fox claiming I chain smoke cigarettes worrying about the President’s tweets. Don’t smoke cigarettes. Hate ‘me. Smoke only premium cigars and I hope this idiot is not a lawyer because if he is he should sue his Law School.

Guys, let's all listen to this. Super in-depth and funny at the same time. Totally relieves my anxiety.

I heard someone on MSNBC say that it's not a bad thing the judge is being hard on the prosecution. He said that if the prosecution wins the case the judges harshness will make it harder for the defense to appeal.

Re Manafort, Gates and their ilk, trump not only hires the best people, he hires people better than himself.

R477, I'm waiting for a very credible reporter to write the definitive book. Right now is too soon, in a way. But David Corn and Mike Issikoff's Russian Roulette is pretty damned good. it is obviously incomplete, but eventually someone will write it. I'm hoping Maddow and Toobin are among the scribes although as I watch the pundits on TV I'm betting there will be a stampede.The worry I have is that some of this stuff might be put under seal and not available to the public for a generation. I'm older and I'd miss out. I trust very few people associated with the NYT. If Maggie Haberan writes a book about this I will not even click on Amazon to look at it. Malcolm Nance and Gary Johnson may do something later too even though Nance has something out now.

Is anyone listening to The podcast Mueller, she wrote? I'm wondering if it's good, she is supposedly an insider doing the podcast anonymously.

R485, and "insider" where?

R482, I want to know what Jeffrey Toobin and Barbara Mc Quaid are saying about Ellis. Because if he is bullying them, making it difficult to present their case that is not good in a jury trial.

If it's complete, r477, it's gonna be Encyclopedia Brittanica-sized.

Behind the tall grass and shrubs.......

Rand Paul, heir apparent?

Lindsey might be the one to tell him he needs to resign. At this moment if Lindsey doesn't get off the fucking Trump bus, then he is beyond vile and he is a fucking traitor. He is no longer someone I can joke about or laugh at. No.

Someone on TV last night said he was inviting certain people from his last campaign to join him at these rallies. He had Corey Lewandowski with him for one rally traveling on the plane, then he had the guy who handled his PA campaign with him at Wilkes Barre. So he invited Hope to go to Ohio with him. But I don't buy that. I think the fucker is unraveling and they are scrambling to keep him together, bringing former staffers on to hep him.

R492 it seems like Dotard tells the Senatrice what to do, not the other way around.

I totally buy that he was never happier than when he was campaigning. He had all those screaming, adoring crowds and all that attention. I think he's trying to get that good feeling back. It's pathetic.

Speaking of his rallies, what size crowds does he draw these days? Do we know if they're shrinking? The stupid media won't film anything but the podium; why is that?

Hell yes, I want CNN to do a 360 at every rally while Teump is talking.

(Ha, autocorrect. Have no idea where it came from)

Bernie Sanders, Jane, Devine, Weaver, etc. will not get away with it for 2020. HRC largely and mistakenly refrained from attacking Bernie in 2016 for fear of alienating his fans. Harris, Biden, Booker, Brown, Warner, Warren, or whomever else the Democrats run in 2020, will knock Bernie out in the primaries. Bernie has that "Russher" baggage and the finances from 2016 of the Sanders campaign have been under scrutiny. And Sanders may not be able to update and defend his 20 year old talking points that are all about unaccountable spending. It's already known "Russher" helped facilitate Sanders in 2016 and will try again for 2020 if not stopped.

Going to "Russher" will further endear Rand Paul to Putin. However, Rand is leaving a trail.

Sanders and Paul are the only two senators voting against sanctions on "Russher". Future primary opponents for both have some strong ammunition.

R495 I don't know if the crowds have dwindled. Someone in this thread or the other said that they were paying people to attend, it wouldn't surprise me.

Someone had also posted that article from the Conservative contributor to the Washington Post (?) that was absolutely right when it questioned why all the Media outlets keep covering the damn rallies so extensively. There is absolutely no reason that they need to be covering it all unless something new or major comes out of them. Otherwise they should only be briefly mentioned in print.

But R497, Muricans don't care about Rusher.

The press covered Nuremberg

R497. Are you be cynical or Natasha?

I somehow missed that Gates admitted to embezzling hundreds of thousands from Manafort.

haha. They really surround themselves with the best people ever!

The opportunity to run hourly (or even live steaming) updates of racists rants and lies is not the reason The Press was afforded First Amendment protection.

They were granted special status in order to create a better informed public. Nude dancing, the pursuit of ratings, and clickbait are all protected by the amendment, but they are not the reason for its being.

Convention (don’t pan the mostly empty room) and popularity driven preening entertainment (“how did I look tonight”?) has overtaking news.

Bad decisions are now creating horrendous outcomes. The networks’ capitulation to Roone Aldridge’s claim that newsrooms should be popular moneymakers, along with their slavishly following the utterances of a President who demeans them, is rapidly undermining the reason the media was ever protected.

The problem is that the 1% meddle with politics and media to control their interests. The bought polititians push for legislation that favors the 1% and the media is controlling the narrative by telling the general public that it's a good thing that they suffer while the 1% gets richer.

it seems like Elizabeth is seriously considering a run. I hope so. With the right running mate, she would definitely kick ass. I'm hoping she'll run with Mitch Landrieu. Both of them are very effective and Mitch has a very Biden quality except Mitch is better.

R504, and I say this as a social democrat, take your faux class outrage elsewhere. Our election was hacked in an invasion by Putin.

R505, good subtle divide-and-conquer trolling attempt there, but you forgot your understanding of the political systems — recent Republican Warren cannot “run” with a “Bidenesque” running mate; a running mate is not picked until after the candidate has secured the primary.

R

I don't think Manafort will walk, but this judge is a fucking nutcase.

Stephen Miller, Nazi, now going after legal immigrants.

R507> I hope this is the last case before Ellis. Ugh. At least he said this "I don’t think this case is as complex as it could be made to be.’’ I hope that means it is obvious Manafort is guilty and all the extra is not necessary.

R507> I know! Now, if they get any public assistance, they cannot become citizens. As if they were wealthy when they came here, fleeing from their countries. Fucked-up.

2nd reply was meant for R508.

[quote]And Mr. Gates testified that Konstantin V. Kilimnik, a Russian who prosecutors claim is tied to Russian intelligence, had signatory authority over some of Mr. Manafort’s accounts in Cyprus.[/quote]

Hmmmmm.........

News flash - Trump and Manafort's buddy Wilbur Ross is a thief and a liar.

R507, thanks for that. Weird, abusive behavior from the judge.

Well, he's a Republican, so .... yeah, thief and liar is a given.

Yes Mueller she wrote is good. They are not professional broadcasters but it’s a solid if intimate production.

Another news flash - Michael Cohen is being investigated for tax fraud in New York. If he filed fraudulent federal returns, he also filed fraudulent state returns - meaning that he is subject to state criminal charges as well as federal criminal charges. And Trump cannot pardon people for state crimes. So Cohen has even more motivation to flip on Trump.

Has Rand Paul registered as a foreign agent? What about his father?

Can you imagine being treated medically by either one of them? They’re more like witch doctors. I bet their malpractice insurance is through the roof.

The family that kooks together...

Betsy Devos yacht is real run down looking and belongs in the scrap yard.

I don’t get it. Did she get ripped off? Sold a lemon?

JFC the troll is back posting useless comments to try to max out the thread again.

@BradMossEsq

So you’re saying someone with links to Russian intelligence had signatory authority over the Trump campaign chairman’s bank accounts?

I’m sorry, how is that not a larger story right now? Was that previously known?

Pretty is as pretty does, r513......

R522 This was a good comment in that thread:

@ClaudiaKincaid_ And Manafort took the job running Trump’s campaign at zero salary in 2016 — the same year that he was so broke that he committed bank fraud to obtain desperately needed loans; the same year he emailed Deripaska to say he hoped his role in the campaign could help make them whole.

R522, I looked up @BradMossEsq. My jaw dropped at the stupidity of the right-wing he linked to. It's just amazing.

[quote]"I'd Rather be a Russian Than a Democrat"

So when Collusion (which 'didn't happen' and 'isn't a crime anyway') is finally proven with scholarly authority - it 'won't matter.'

It'll be gripping to see how say Fox handles the fall-out. Its Deplorable devotees will convince themselves that Collusion with Russia was somehow 'draining the swamp' - while the sane educated world will see unprecedented corruption, and treason.

Quite the dilemma for Trump's media cheerleaders - but then squaring the circle, or denial and lying, is far from a challenge within the cult. Observing the meltdown though will be something to see.

“Russian intelligence had signatory authority over the Trump campaign“

And legal types in here? Does that mean RU was singing the campaign checks?

More indictments on the way, Tier 2 personnel, Twitter account @counterchekist announced.

R527 it means that he could move money in and out of the account as he pleased... putting Manafort on a very short leash.

R526 many of the Deplorables have already said they don't care if Drumpf conspired with Russia because anything and everything needed to be done to prevent Hillary from taking office.

So they're totally fine with it.

Who the fuck cares what Deplorables are fine with? They'd be ok with Trump fisting a baby as long it keeps that Hillary out of the White House. These Deplorables are beyond repair and reason. Fuck 'em.

[quote]Betsy Devos yacht is real run down looking and belongs in the scrap yard.

The DeVos' have 10 yachts, this one may indeed be slated for the scrap yard. It was relegated to Lake Erie, after all.

If this is still running when/if there's a new administration, if it's a Democrat, I hope they won't try to cut the investigation and prosecutions short (dropping charges, etc.) in the name of "comity."

You just KNOW a Dem would do that. "Unity, for the country, moving past politics," and all that sappy bullshit.

Fuck that. Investigate fully, uncover everything, make it public, and prosecute everyone for every crime.

Deutsche Bank, every member of the current administration, Hope H., Cory L., and on and on.

Sanctions against every oligarch who funded it. Ban them from the country and the financial system.

Sanctions against scary R.

No more Obama-style "maturity" and "being above it all" and "nor red states or blue states." SCREW THAT. Obeying McConnell in not disclosing this shit before the election helped T win.

R507: Just reported on MSNBC that Judge Ellis backed down and hasn't said anything negative during today's testimony. They assume it is due to outcry/blowback about the way he has been treating the prosecution.

Cross-examination is about to begin.

What did Donald Trump, Lindsey Graham, Sean Hannity, and Mark Levin cook-up over dinner?

And Melania was there!

Do tell, Lindsey.

R534 interesting. I wonder how much influence what he's already done has had over the jury.

Yeah he's just been scolding the prosecution. The jury must see the prosecution as the "bad guys" now -- because the wise judge sees them as such.

Is the judge being paid or influenced by politics?

This is something we need to be paying more attention to. Stephanie Ruhle covered it on MSNBC this morning.....It's really scary shit.

The judge is probably harsh because he's concerned about "governmental overreach" (Reagan appointee) and is probably routinely prickly like this to government lawyers. It's just that it's being covered by the press now, and he's probably a bit embarrassed by the reflection of himself he's seeing now.

It's fascinating that that adage, "follow the money," which Rachel reminded us about early on, always holds true.

What happened to that story about Drumpf and the Florida property, anyway?

I know a lot of people say that there's no need to worry about the Judge being a Republican since Mueller is also a Republican...

But I don't think Mueller is the norm. In fact, I think what we've seen is the exact opposite. There are very few Republicans who put country and law above party.

Correct, R542. I hope the judge hasn't prejudiced the jury by his behavior.

“Russian intelligence had signatory authority over the Trump campaign“

How is this not bigger news?

R541 "What happened to that story about Drumpf and the Florida property, anyway?"

Or what about Maria Butina's emails to Russian operatives about Putin not liking Trump's choice of Mitt Romney, and how Tillerson was mysteriously appointed a week later? No evidence of collusion/conspracy, huh????

Miss Lindsay looks like she's been borrowing Piggy's tanning bed.

We should probably keep a list of all the stories that have dropped off.

These are all leads they're looking into, I'm sure, R545. Or I hope they are.

R486, in the executive branch. 6 "seats" away from the President (not in term of succession, but in terms of bureaucratic structure).

I remember that we had a poster right after the election who wanted to keep a timeline of every story that broke so we could connect the puzzle pieces.

We should have a post with all unanswered questions at the start of each Russia thread just as we have all past thread titles.

Good idea, R550. Do you want to be in charge of that?

Don't forget Wendi Deng!

R551, lol. I’m even more obsessed with the guy sticking cables into voting machines on Election Day, but Wendi is on my list as well. What can I say, I hold grudges.

R552, ha. I wasn't shading you. I love that it's brought up in most of these threads. People need to be reminded of all the shady shit that has gone on. And there's no way that that meeting with Ivanka wasn't part of this.

I would like to propose that we also keep a list of all the motherfuckers who have enabled him and his illegitimacy. They should all be charged with conspiracy and treason.

Ryan and McConnell at the top of the list. Oh and of course Nunes. Who should be straight up hanged.

I kind of wouldn't be totally surprised if somehow it's revealed that the vote was absolutely rigged in a number of states, such that it affected the outcome.

I'm not sure what the effect with that would be... I bet regardless of how conclusively it was proven, the GOP would just deny it. They could have video and they'd still deny it.

R555 since you brought it up another thing that has been posted here that should continued to be posted so people don't forget:

[quote]Yes. There's already proof. I work in the industry. I sat in a meeting with the head of cyber security investigations for the FBI in Florida. Their systems were hacked in 2016. What's difficult is proving that (or more accurately stated "how") the votes were manipulated. But go back to election night and remember how Trump pulled ahead in Florida, NC, MI, PA and WI. It happened almost like clock work once the precincts reporting crossed the 50% threshold. This shit is deep. Putin had already done this in his own election and also in Ukraine. We should be very worried about the EU elections coming up.

And even though we are now admitting that Russians did interfere in our election.... Reality Winner is still in prison, right? Why?

I really hope they're able to prove it, R556.

[quote]Reality Winner is still in prison, right? Why?

Well, Im sure the reason is because she leaked classified info. They don't care that it was true... just that she leaked it. However, someone like Nunes is still walking around free.

R558 I think they already can prove it... they're just not going to.

I bet a future Dem president (if we're allowed to elect one) will cover-up the vote rigging in 2016 "for the good of the country."

That's what Obama would have done. Ugh.

Graham sounds warmongering. That's not new. This uptick in being critical of Iran, DJT withdrawing the U.S. from the nuclear arms deal, and imposing new sanctions, may be motivated to get Iran to react aggressively as a pretense for armed conflict. DJT and cohorts may want a big distraction from the Mueller investigation. Let this not be the case.

Netanyahu, Saudi Arabia, and a few others in the ME, have hostile relations with Iran.

Why was the server at Trump tower communicating with Alfa bank? Another question that Mueller will hopefully answer.

[quote]That's what Obama would have done. Ugh.

Or did.

Please also make sure this important question gets put on the list of unanswered things we need to know:

"What do they have on the Senatrice?"

This too:

I'd like to see a topic "Treason Deadpool 2018-20" where people predict who's "gonna get it" before seeing jail time, or "Co-conspirator Prison, Suicide, Defection or Whacked?"

Indeed, R564.

I always think of Obama as the greatest president of my lifetime, but he did fail in certain ways I think related to a certain insecurity about the credence citizens would give his words. E.g., if he'd said "we need to be in Syria" after they crossed his "red line" (chemical weapons), I think many Americans would have agreed with him. Same with if he'd revealed the election interference.

My issues with him R568 are mostly about how he handled the election and then despite knowing the extent of the Russian interference, turning around and throwing HRC under the bus (along with Biden) by implying she didn't do enough.

I love Obama but I agree that he didn't do enough. I go back and forth in wondering if he stayed silent because he felt it was too much for the country or if he did it to protect his own legacy. Sadly, I lean more towards one of those than I do the other.

......

Balls of steel.

[quote]A couple protesters showed up to @MichaelAvenatti’s Mahoning County Dems speech. He made sure to go over and say hello.

Hopefully he takes them out and shows them to us some day.

#basta

So Cohen isn't cooperating?

R574 I think it's mostly that he isn't fully cooperating or is dragging his feet on fully cooperating. He's holding out.

If Cohen's not fully cooperating, they should just keep moving forward with building the case against him. He's going to vacillate, thinking it'll slow things down.

R576 I think he backed himself into a corner. Now with his tax stuff coming out he'll most likely get hit with State charges... And I think they probably did that to send him a warning.

This pic says it all. Hoping and assuming years from now this trauma will be a distant memory, people may be asking, "how was Trump allowed to continue serving the day after this picture came out?"

Good August 8 episode.

R578

[quote]"how was Trump allowed to continue serving the day after this picture came out?"

Because of her emails!

What's up with someone starting a new Treason thread when this one isn't full yet?

R581? New one is up? Is it by OP?

And are you new here? They always get started before current one closes.

Link to new thread when this one maxes out.

Nope, R582. Not new here. I've been following these threads since the beginning, and I'm aware of how the OP usually transitions to a new thread.

This seemed different, and given the controversy earlier in this thread, I questioned it.

Are there lots of message forums where people are talking about the investigation like we are?

[quote]Is it by OP?

Yes, the new one linked above is by me, the OP of this and the past few threads.

And before anyone complains, I only started the new one to make sure it got started. If anyone wants to protest and start a different one, be my guest.

R584 cool. I wasn't trying to be a dick. Sorry if it sounded like that. Was genuinely just wondering. And yeah, understood re: the troll posters attempt to derail the threads.

Thanks, OP! And no complaints from me! Appreciate that these threads are still going!

Wish there were a real-life Vidoq Society trying to help the investigation or at least uncover their own related stuff.

For anyone curious, the bloat on the left is our President*. The bloat on the right is Russian Ambassador to the United States Sergei Kislyak. This was the meeting where Trump disclosed highly classified information to the Russians just to impress them.

[quote] Trump disclosed highly classified information to the Russians just to impress them.

Reality Winner is in jail for disclosing classified info... but Dotard isn't.

Vidocq

Moving to part 43 soon

[quote]Adult film actress Stormy Daniels's lawyer, Michael Avenatti, took a dig at President Donald Trump on Tuesday by sharing his own "birther issue."

[quote]Avenatti, who hasn’t been shy about his criticism of Trump, explained that when he was 15 years old he wanted to work at the local McDonald’s. However, he couldn’t get a job there because they required employees to be at least 16 years old. So, the future lawyer claimed he doctored his birth certificate by changing the birth year.

[quote]“I know it is only a matter of time before Trump discovers my ‘birther issue,’ so I thought I should come clean now,” his tweet concluded. “I’m sorry.”

Mike Pence in the 90s wrote two columns about removing a president on moral grounds.

Oh how he has changed his tune.

Yes, it was rigged and yes the Russians changed the votes. It makes no sense for them to interfere with our elections if they are not going to make sure they get the outcome they wanted. Will we ever get an official confirmation? Doubtful.

Funny, I always seem to forget that Mike Pence is around. He probably does that intentionally.

Link to new thread for when this maxes out.

Closing this thread out.

Link to new thread below.