The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Manafort needs to be hanged for this.

Lol burn!

Lol burn!

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1

John Brennan on security clearances: "I'm not surprised that this is something that Rand Paul has thought up. Rand Paul is not on the Intelligence Committee. I don't know anybody in the intelligence, national security realms, who takes what Rand Paul says seriously." @MSNBC

And now it begins....

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) — A jury has been seated in the trial of President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort.

Over the past three months, a handful of highly placed Russians have discovered their secrets seeping onto the web.

It happened to a Russian Interior Ministry official whose emails were published online in April. It happened again this month, when details about a former Kremlin chief of staff’s American energy investment were exposed by Britain’s Guardian newspaper.

Last week, Natalia Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who met with U.S. President Donald Trump’s son during the 2016 presidential campaign, saw her ties to senior Russian government officials laid bare in an Associated Press investigation .

And the man behind the disclosures tells the AP that more are coming.

A key source for the recent stories has been Russian opposition figure Mikhail Khodorkovsky’s new project, dubbed the Dossier Center . Launched in November, the center is billed as an investigative unit. Its website features a sprawling, interactive diagram of interconnected Russian officials described as the “main beneficiaries” of Russian corruption.

The exiled former energy executive is funding the Dossier Center himself and said it was born out of frustration with the inability of journalistic investigations to lead to real change in a Russia dominated by his foe, President Vladimir Putin. He wanted the project to produce more than occasional stories and to gather enough actionable information on the Kremlin’s leadership to bring its members, eventually, to court.

Although the Dossier Center has remained relatively low-profile — the group barely had more than 100 followers on Twitter as of early Tuesday — the recent stories it helped feed have attracted attention, and reporters have begun making their way to the center’s door.

Jury selection was fast! Hopefully, no (secret) Trump supporters on board to nullify and hang the jury.

OP, thank you for Manafort’s ugly face instead of Trumputin bromance pictures. Now I can look at this thread and keep down my food!

r7, I was a part of a jury pool for a high profile, high $ criminal action.

We were screened using questionnaires and psychological assessments MONTHS before the voir dire.

Considering the HUNDREDS of people screened out, including me, it is no surprise that jury selection went quickly.

The Doctors Bull/Phil work their magic outside of the public view; each side agree on the jurors and things move quickly.

[Quote] There has been little argument by anyone on either side of the aisle that Robert Mueller is investigating whether the President of the United States obstructed justice when he pressured and later fired former FBI Director James Comey last year. The only real questions have been whether or not Trump’s actions in firing Comey would amount to Mueller finding evidence to warrant impeachment or even charges related to obstruction of justice.

[Quote] This afternoon, much of this uncertainty seems to have subsided as a bombshell report from Murray Waas has indicated that “testimony by some of President Trump’s own top aides provides some of the strongest evidence to date implicating the president of the United States in an obstruction of justice.”

[Quote] BREAKING: "All But Inevitable" That Bob Mueller Will Refer An Impeachable Offense Against Trump to DOJ Based on New Review of Mueller Materials on Obstruction

This Court is nickamed the Rocket Docket. And Judge Ellis is famous for moving trials along. If he says two weeks, it will be two weeks.

This is all coming out of the Manafort trial that got moving today?

[Quote] Previously undisclosed evidence in the possession of Special Counsel Robert Mueller—including highly confidential White House records and testimony by some of President Trump’s own top aides—provides some of the strongest evidence to date implicating the president of the United States in an obstruction of justice. Several people who have reviewed a portion of this evidence say that, based on what they know, they believe it is now all but inevitable that the special counsel will complete a confidential report presenting evidence that President Trump violated the law. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel’s work, would then decide on turning over that report to Congress for the House of Representatives to consider whether to instigate impeachment proceedings.

Now that the trial has started, tomorrow morning's tweeting-while-having-a-dump tweetstorm should be epic.

Did we hear about this already?

Kyle Griffin

[quote]"A [bold]confidential[/bold] White House memorandum,[bold] which is in the special counsel's possession[/bold], explicitly states that when Trump pressured Comey [to let Flynn go] he had just been told by two of his top aides ... Priebus and ... McGahn that Flynn was under criminal investigation."

I have butterflies in my stomach!

None of this is really in my wheelhouse -I would have made a lousy lawyer - but a big THANK YOU to all of you for helping me understand.

R16, this is the same memo as in the article at R14.

The article is a must-read and must-save.

[quote]And Judge Ellis is famous for moving trials along. If he says two weeks, it will be two weeks.

Is this the grumpy judge?

Now drugging kids aka child abuse? What opioid epidemic

[quote]A federal judge on Monday found that U.S. government officials have been giving psychotropic medication to migrant children at a Texas facility without first seeking the consent of their parents or guardians, in violation of state child welfare laws.

U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee in Los Angeles ordered the Trump administration to obtain consent or a court order before administering any psychotropic medications to migrant children, except in cases of dire emergencies. She also ordered that the government move all children out of a Texas facility, Shiloh Residential Treatment Center in Manvel, except for children deemed by a licensed professional to pose a “risk of harm” to themselves or others.

Staff members at Shiloh admitted to signing off on medications in lieu of a parent, relative or legal guardian, according to Gee’s ruling. Government officials defended this practice, saying they provided these drugs only on “an emergency basis” when a child’s “extreme psychiatric symptoms” became dangerous.

The judge didn’t buy this explanation, pointing to testimony from children who said they were given pills “every morning and every night.” Officials “could not have possibly” administered medications to children on an emergency basis every day, Gee wrote.

Rand Paul pretends to be a libertarian. Being an egotistical jerk doesn't make one a libertarian.

So will the trial be televised? I’m assuming not.

Op you should have used the Manifort mugshot where he has his wig on backwards.

R20 that sounds like some MK Ultra shit. Didn't they use psychotropic drugs in those?

Per Ken Dilainian, Manafort's lawyers will try to argue that Manafort "didn't mean" to commit tax fraud.

I guess he misspoke to his bankers.

[quote]Per Ken Dilainian, Manafort's lawyers will try to argue that Manafort "didn't mean" to commit tax fraud.

"It was just PLAYING!"

R19 He doesn't suffer fools, he cuts attorney's off if he thinks they are going on too long. He is a stickler about evidence. But most think he is fair. But if he says no Russia, Trump or collusion talk - he means it.

"You mean not paying taxes on my income is wrong? Like, an actual crime? Really? Well, nobody ever told me that. I didn't know that was a bad thing! Believe me, if I had known, I would have paid my taxes correctly. Every dime I owed, really, I would. Can I have a do-over now?"

R23 it was almost going to be but I decided I didn't want to look at it.

The 2017 article in The Nation that blamed the DNC leak on an inside job gets thoroughly debunked.

Trump has a rally in Tampa tonight. Broadcast media should refuse to carry it live. They won't. And thus, their talking heads will be rubbing their clits and whacking-off in anticipation. I refuse to watch.

Detailed article about the foreign troll army.

Thanks, OP for the new thread. Love the title match to current events!

And an FYI to the regulars. I've started to notice something with some of the people posting in the past threads. During the election we had some sophisticated trolls who would take the time to comment as though they were Democrats / Progressives / Regular Posters. A handful of comments at least before they started slowly spouting off comments that were divisive. These were the smarter trolls.

After the election we got D-List trolls who didn't bother.

Anyway, I'm starting to notice that we're starting to get the trolls back who take the time to do the setup work. A few normal posts, before they start in with stuff meant to distract and derail.

Just keep that in mind.

[quote]Trump has a rally in Tampa tonight. Broadcast media should refuse to carry it live. They won't. And thus, their talking heads will be rubbing their clits and whacking-off in anticipation. I refuse to watch.

Who broadcasts the rallies now except FauxNews? I haven't come across full broadcasts. The others just use clips in their programs to debunk the latest craziness.

Of course even using clips is giving him too much airtime.

Most of the clips, not the full Nuremberg, are excerpts showing his psychotic babble.

Seth and Steven usually do great send-ups of his lunacy.

Kyle Griffin@kylegriffin1

The Manafort defense seems to be to blame Rick Gates. For everything.

Of course they're going to paint the government witness as a liar, a crook, his wife and her lover.

If Cheeto starts tweeting about the trial, wouldn't that be obstruction?

R38, obstruction is NOT a crime!

Piggy whined all about Hillary this morning like a sour soggy baby tit. So this is getting to him

I know we're a little past this, but it's just too ridiculous to let go:

r41 Trump-speak. He talks out of his asshole and can't even tell friend from foe.

r22 The revolution, uh, trial will not be televised. Electronic devices are not allowed in the courthouse. During trial breaks, the reporters have to run outside of the courthouse in order to file their reports.

Have we heard yet from the guy who ALWAYS has to mention that he's already Blocked the misogynist OP?

The "Amazon WaPo" is doing a bang-up job reporting it hour by hour.

Manafort's defense strategy is just pathetic, as was the opening statement, which got dissed by Ellis: "I take it you're going to offer evidence?"

r44 He usually makes his presence known in the early 100s

LOL Miss Linsdey tries to assert tough-guy credentials

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1 Lindsey Graham says he'll be introducing a new "sanctions bill from hell" against Russia.

R44, why do you have to summon The Ghost of Threads Past?

Manafort is trying to blame Rick Gates for EVERYTHING.

Buzzfeed News article on Butina’s money trail.

“• About $93,000 was sent or received during a single four-month period — from May to August 2017, after Butina had arrived in the US and was attending graduate school at American University in Washington, DC. Bank officials discovered wires, checks, transfers, and cash deposits totaling that amount, including checks made out to cash, between the duo’s accounts last year.

• In June and July 2017, Erickson wired $45,000 to an unidentified law firm in Washington on Butina’s behalf. It is not known why Butina retained an attorney at that point, and her current lawyer, Robert Driscoll, told BuzzFeed News that his firm was not the recipient of the money.

• Last summer, Erickson sent two wires for $15,000 to a California company established by the son and brother of Jack Abramoff, a disgraced former lobbyist who is Erickson’s longtime friend, political ally, and business partner. The company, Landfair Capital Consulting, was incorporated in March 2017. Abramoff’s son, Alex, a recent college graduate, is the CEO and sole director; Abramoff’s brother, Robert, is the registered agent. Because the company was newly established and based out of the home of Alex Abramoff, who does not list it on his public profiles, bank investigators flagged it as a possible shell company established to hide Jack Abramoff’s interests.”

Alfa Bank is mentioned throughout the article. Remember the story about the Trump tower server that was communicating with Alfa Bank servers? Interesting.

Did Trump ever sign the last sanctions bill? Or was it ever enforced?

Manafort is just not good at hiding money.

Miss Lindsey is just all over the place with this. I’m dying to know what the kompromat is on her.

(Also, predictive texting knows “kompromat” at this point which is hilarious and kind of sad.)

Confessions of driving Miss Lindsey

The way Miss Lindsey blasted Michael Cohen recently, she must be taking her cues from Rudy Giuliani.

Ewwww

The fact we have had no plan to thwart Russian ATTACKS on us for this long with an election coming up, there is zero heightened alert from our derrr leader, zero raging tweets about the ongoing ATTACK on us is just beyond words. You would think our military would be up in arms demanding Dump to do something. He doesn't listen to the IC but he would the military if they threatened something.

R34 I just put together the same discovery today. I see what you mean.

When a poster goes back and forth discussing with itself things that can be easily googled, like names of a company etc... that is so fishy to me. Just google it.

[quote]Being an egotistical jerk doesn't make one a libertarian.

Yet they always seem to go hand in hand.

These hourly breaking news updates are like crack.

R60: I know! I have to admit, I will be very relieved, but bored after this Trump chaos is over. MSNBC/CNN ratings will go down also. However, I am much more patriotic than ever and will always vote in every single election for the rest of my life!

Question for anybody here who might know...concerning Trump's tax returns: We, the general public, don't know whether or not Mueller has them and/or how long he's had them.

But would Trump know? Is there some law stating that he would have to be notified? Thanks.

Stormy's bus broke down and had to cancel a show on her Make America Horny Again tour. The establishment was offering $5.00 off a $25.00 ticket for guests dressed as Trump. Those dressed as Hillary got 1/2 off.

[quote]Question for anybody here who might know...concerning Trump's tax returns: We, the general public, don't know whether or not Mueller has them and/or how long he's had them.

As with everything, Mueller's team has only revealed that which it is necessary to reveal. However, given the number of attorneys specializing in financial crimes that are on the team, it is overwhelmingly likely that they are part of the investigation.

^^ Thank you R64, but my question specifically had to do with Donald Trump. IF Mueller was given access to the tax returns - by law - would Trump have to be notified?

That $15,000 custom-made ostrich jacket of Manafort has a history.

Did Don Junior really shoot that poor bird that was chained to a post?

Thank you, r34 for your post and defense on thread 40. It seems the person in the last thread (number 40) distracting and derailing a discussion about Tad Devine is in fact your great admirer at r57 and r58.

Judging by his posting history, I think it’s possible that he was acting in good faith and blocked me and other posters discussing the Devine connection the the Manafort trial because he actually (yet mistakenly) believed we were off-topic and perhaps attempting to derail the thread ourselves.

Someone should quote this post and when r57/58 sees it, he should confirm his mistake.

I hope there are some delicious reveals in the Manafort case. I cannot wait!

Why, my contract has been transferred from Big Daddy McCain to Putin. I am allowed to remain near BDM, but Cindy does make me use the back door.

Miss Lindsey, will you take this ostrich coat off my hands? I'm a little strapped for cash at the moment, and the plumes are really YOU.

Trump supporters trust the president more than their family and friends, poll finds

Only 11 per cent of Trump supporters trust the media for information

R67 I figured that R57 and R58 was the same person. I'm also assuming that he has read those posts because he was able to read the ones where I pointed out those posting about Davine were obviously not trolls, he just chose to ignore it otherwise. And I'm assuming he hasn't blocked me as he responded to my posts here. OP was one of the ones asking about Revolution Media (so its ridiculous he's trying to say that the discussion was trollish and didn't belong).

He's somehow found these threads so I'm also assuming unblocked the people he blocked (as again, he's found his way to this thread).

I think we need to look at this one more time, just because it's so spectacularly godawful.

*Devine

Somebody coined the term "Cohenescopy".

Ugh, Cohenoscopy even.

Cohen recorded this phone conversation between Trump and Putin:

TRUMP:. Hello Vald, what's up?

@SenJeffMerkley:

Let’s be 1000% clear: if you worked with a hostile foreign power during your election, it's called TREASON.

Senator Jeff Merkley (D-Oregon), responding to Trump’s tweet that “collusion is not a crime”:

Let’s be 1000% clear: if you worked with a hostile foreign power during your election, it's called TREASON.

[quote]Cindy does make me use the back door.

To which, by the way, I am quite accustomed.

How come that blockbuster news that Trump DID know that Flynn was under investigation is not BREAKING NEWS on every cable network today?

I've been watching and waiting for hours, and I've seen nothing about it so far on MSNBC or CNN ( I don't even bother with Fox).

What gives?

Fuck yeah, Sen Merkley at R80!

What’s the next argument from team Trump, that Russia isn’t an enemy as defined by the US Constitution?

Every single Deplorable I know says that "Russia is not our enemy!" and that we need to worry more about "the damn Mexicans!"

Will Miss Lindsay use that ostrich coat to entertain her 'callers' during roleplay? Shudders

R85: Ugh! They are dumb as fuck! Lost Cause.

Trumpy is so shaken up about this he is asking his aides to throw large slurpee cups of piss right in his face #theonlythingthatcancalmhimdowninsituationslikethis

Talking Points Memo: 40% of GOPs says it would either be "appropriate" or "not a big deal" if Russia helped Republicans hold Congress in 2018.

Wrong flag, though, R73. Should be a Russian one.

[quote]Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1 Lindsey Graham says he'll be introducing a new "sanctions bill from hell" against Russia.

Yeah, he'll fuck a Russian dude up the ass and not have the decency to give him a reach-around!

R89 Wow, not surprised but surprised. Maybe just really sad. The Repugs are just throwing everything out the window for power. They really would sell our country down the river to stay in power. They are evil and will be (if we don't stop them) be the ruin of this nation.

[quote]Rudy blaming 9/11 on Obama . . . and Hillary.

Hmm. Usually when someone from this nest of liars and cheaters accuses others of a particular wrongdoing...

Wasn't it Ghouliani who said he couldn't recall any terrorist attacks under the Bush Administration?

How could anyone take Rudy 'Whore Chaser' Ghoullani seriously?

[quote]Being an egotistical jerk doesn't make one a libertarian.

but there is a very high correlation between libertarian and asshole

Trumpito called the Koch brothers "globalists" today, which as we all know is alt-right shorthand for "Jew".

So nice to watch him play to his inbred Nazi base.

R34 bingo it started a few weeks ago.

The Koch bros could destroy that fat fuck with the physique of a north carolina frau with one button.

Thank you OP. I appreciate these threads and the posters explaining stuff.

But r97, the Koch Brothers aren't Jewish.

R70, of course I will.

Lawrence O'Donnell is covering the WH memo that is the subject of the Murray Waas piece.

"No matter how many times Kellyanne Conway opens her liehole, nothing's going to change that."--Rick Wilson

"O.K., I don't need to picture that."--Don "Aunt Sassy" Lemon

Yes r103, and he's the first one who has.

Good for Lawrence!

Rudy and Trump comedy show is almost unbearable. When you tell lies long enough people stop paying attention. Dangerous and courts are only hope.

It's amazing how both Drumpf and Manafort had such bad judgment in their key lieutenants that they never figured out in decades what scoundrels they'd employed.

[Zehnle is Manafort's lawyer.]

He said Manafort was a “talented political consultant” and second-generation immigrant and the first in his family to go to college. He has been “at the pinnacle of U.S. politics for forty years,” Zehnle said, and a “driving force in the candidacy of multiple U.S. presidents.”

For that, he said, “Paul Manafort has rendered a valuable service to our system of government.”

At that point Judge T.S. Ellis III interrupted Zehnle as he had Assistant U.S. Attorney Uzo Asonye, asking, “I take it you plan to offer evidence?” Ellis told the defense attorney to stick to what would be shown.

Zehnle said Manafort built “one of the most successful political consulting and government relations shops in Washington,” while also working on “the global stage.”

That work was not partisan, Zehnle said, pointing out that Tad Devine, a former strategist for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), will also testify about working in Ukraine.

Manafort’s work for Yanukovych was to “bring the country closer to Western democracies after decades of Soviet rule” — toward the European Union and away from Russia, Zehnle said. That comment was met with audible sneers from a few of those seated in the courtroom.

ya know, it might not be the nicest thing, but as long as we are in a post-rules world, would it be so wrong for somebody interviewing the Senatrice next time to just look at him and ask, "Ain't ya a big ole Mo? Does that affect your feelings toward the next Supreme Court Justice, who might just vote to overturn all gay rights?"

And, R50, don't forget that the defense lawyer/consultant for Russia's Alfa Bank was just installed by Trump and the Repugs in the Senate as the Head of the Justice Department's Criminal Division. What a coincidence!

Did the 300 U.S. Attorneys from around the country get to DC yet?

If Manafort's going to pin his crime on his partner Rick Gates, does he have to show receipts?

How would Rick Gates be in a position to submit underreported tax returns for Manafort?

What if Manafort decides he'd better flip?

Accused Russian Spy Told American CEO: Send Cash to Moscow

I know, R113, it's gonna be a tough sell. My protogee that I've done everything with for decades did it all ... BUT I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT@!

r113 The judge's instructions to the jury can point out that Manafort's defense did not provide any evidence that Gates was responsible for Manafort's crimes. Manafort can flip after he is convicted and before he is sentenced.

[quote]second-generation immigrant

Does that mean that his parents immigrated to one country, and then he immigrated to the US? That's the only way this stupidity makes any debatable quasi-logical sense.

And what does it have to do with charges of bank fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion - or no "second-gen immigrant" has ever committed any such crime?

yeah, manafort is definitely gonna flip if the best defense is Gates did it all. What a circus.

It’s too late for Manafort to flip. He’s literally standing trial.

never too late. there can always be a deal until the sentence.

OMG r114 how is Hank Greenberg still ALIVE?

Trump will pardon him the moment he's convicted.

OK, an refresher on pardons:

1] They are an admission of guilt.

2] Once a pardon is issued the recipient CANNOT plead the 5th. They must comply fully and honestly.

you are right about so much, but please don't say an refresher?

Ooops, so sorry. A refresher. A history (yes I aspirate). For give me for being an idiot.

^^forgive, ugh new key board...

Don McGahn is running for cover. To wit:

"Don McGahn hates Rudy with intensity of 1,000 burning suns.”"

Russian Director, Journalists Killed in Africa While Filming Documentary Filmmaker and Putin critic Alexander Rastorguev alongside cameraman Kirill Radchenko and reporter Orhan Dzhemal were reportedly making a film about Russian mercenaries operating in the Central African Republic.

Don McGahn, a true believer, went into the WH with stars in his eyes. He's about to be blindsided.

Miss Lindzey has to keep her romantic escapades secret. These are not missionary positions.

From Vanity Fair at R127:

[quote]“Trump likes that Rudy is a fighter. He knows there’s a give and take. The give is Rudy is going to fight for him. The take is that you’re going to get some crazy, too.”

There is a whole lot of crazy happening. Lawyer or not, how does Rudy not have his story straight before he goes out and just starts spewing things to the media. Oh, that's right, this is all just a bunch of lies, and the liars are unable to keep their "stories" straight either in the own minds or with each other. It would be comical if it didn't have such tragic consequences.

The fact of the matter is, Rudy was never very good at anything except being a bullshitter and a bully.

Conservative Divisions Threaten GOP’s Senate Majority

The Koch brothers’ disengagement from the midterm elections is a sign that the traditional conservative coalition is cracking up.

Rudy supported policemen carrying signs calling former NYC Mayor David Dinkins a washroom attendant back in the day. He's always been trash. 9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to him, lending him instant credibility in the aftermath.

High-End Persian Rugs Attend Trial In Show Of Support For Paul Manafort

Avenatti update on the efforts to reunite immigrant children with their families.

Four tweets from the Mango Mussolini so far this morning on the "Rigged Witch Hunt," including a plea to Jeff Sessions to "stop this ... right now."

I think the Manafort trial is really making him squirm.

"Let's start holding the Kochs accountable. It's a con job and they are a total scam," Bannon said Tuesday. "They are promoters and it's a total Ponzi scheme. They never raise as much money as they talk about and no one ever knows who their donors are."

Awesome watching them destroy one another.

But who will Congressional Repukes side with? Moneybags Kochs or Zeitgeist Trump?

[quote] ..This is a terrible situation and Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now, before it continues to stain our country any further. Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!

[quote] Russian Collusion with the Trump Campaign, one of the most successful in history, is a TOTAL HOAX. The Democrats paid for the phony and discredited Dossier which was, along with Comey, McCabe, Strzok and his lover, the lovely Lisa Page, used to begin the Witch Hunt. Disgraceful!

Donnie Drumpf is back at it again. The disgrace to our country is the fact that we allowed this traitorous buffoon to take the office to which Hillary Clinton was duly elected.

His campaign was one of the most successful in history? Yeah, well Cheatolini, it helps to win when you have Russian thumbs on the scale.

r141, I couldn't hate him more if I tried. His rank hypocrisy and projectionism is on my very last nerve at this point. He just lies and lies and doesn't care because he knows he's never going to be held accountable for it.

If you want to blame some thing for allowing him to take office, blame the electoral college who did NOT do their duty in December 2016 when they could have prevented ALL of this.

By tweeting Sessions to end the "witch hunt," couldn't that also be added to the evidence of him trying to obstruct justice?

He's starting to sound frantic because he knows his days are numbered.

This may be a small comfort to some of you, but my anecdotal experience (non scientific) with Deplorables in my extended family, is that they sometimes just say shit just to say shit. They have a contrarian streak and a stubbornness that won't permit them to actually say the words. So when some pollster (who they don't know or TRUST) questions them they may say things they don't really believe just because they are on the defensive. So if the pollster asks about Russia they'll say "so what!"

You could tell them it's going to start raining any minute and the skies are dark, and the thunder and lightning is rumbling, and they will tell you you're full of shit it's not going to rain because they're on their way to the golf course. They will continue loading golf clubs into their car as huge dollops of rain start splattering on them and the car, and the winds pick up along with the lightning.

You can tell them there's a weather alert in force until 10 PM because a chain of thunder storms accompanied by high winds is on the way. And they will tell you that's bullshit, this is going to clear up and they're still going golfing. Now aside from a fervent prayer on my part that they will experience what golfers are cautioned about in a thunderstorm on a golf course, there's really not much you can do.

I will say this as well. Our government in the past has been very effective in building images of our enemies to demonize them. With Putin we really haven't been effective in a way we need to be. We need to make a case for how evil Putin is in a way that even a Deplorable will understand.. Many of them will not tell you if they have an epiphany, but we can see visible erosion if we work on it. It's not enough to report that Russia was behind the poison gas attacks in Syria ...or London... but we have to keep pounding away. We need to demonstrate the cost in both financial and human terms...blood and treasure...graphically on live TV. We need saturation coverage of Putin being evil. And on TV, all the bad guys need to come from Russian. If they see it on TV it will affect them.

You know we can take comfort in that. Russian thumbs were on the scale and the fucker still lost by 3 million votes. They had to literally hack into and change the votes to get him the electoral college. IMO someone really needs to do a forensic examination of those electors. Who we re they and how did that process? I will bet you they will find some dirty shit if they look at some of the state parties and the governors who picked those electors. I'd love to see the Electoral College votes get invalidated.. ...I know.

LOLOL! Sessions can't fire anyone, Donald....he's recused...... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

A child has died at one of the ICE detention centres.

^ holy shit

This is incredibly sad but I feared for the health and safety of these children. How do you care for kids if you have no medical background on them?

A child eight months old was shipped to Michigan. Where was the fucking logic on this? Why didn't people refuse to do this?

r47, Miss Lindsey is serving Alexis Carrington Colby realness.

But who’s her Dex Dexter, R152?

LOL at Twitter Twat's bilious tweet about "the lovers" Peter and Lisa.

We should always hereafter refer to Trump's "lovers, the lovely Stormy and the lovely Karen."

Bump

Yeah, a thread that hasn't been posted in for seven minutes really needs a bump, R155.

[quote]Trumpito called the Koch brothers "globalists" today, which as we all know is alt-right shorthand for "Jew".

Brian Beutler, Crooked Media:

Here’s the Republican Party in a nutshell. President Trump and the Kochs pretend to feud, while simultaneously teaming up to loot the country, and install as many Republicans as possible in all branches of government. The Koch network will make just enough low-decibel noise about Trump’s unpopular immigration and trade policies to give Trump cover to pretend he’s bucking “globalists.” Trump plays a similar game with pharmaceutical companies, who have benefited enormously from Trump’s corporate tax cuts, and can thus brush off Trump’s disingenuous complaints about drug prices as part of the cost of doing business. The Washington Post’s Philip Bump described it as a “culture-wars-for-the-poor, tax-cuts-for-the-rich approach to politics.” Let them eat tweets, I guess.

Thank you r137

[quote]A child eight months old was shipped to Michigan. Where was the fucking logic on this? Why didn't people refuse to do this?

Some airline crews did, and then entire airlines, though I'm ashamed to say I've already forgotten which ones.

United and American.

No r142. I blame you. You and all the whiners here who complain and do nothing about it. Why aren't Americans in the streets protesting every day? Don't go to work, disrupt orderly daily activity, protest If bus drivers, airline pilots, school teachers, doctors,, etc took to the streets everyday rather than go to work, believe me, things would change

This is how governments are held accountable. By the People in the Public Square.

Itd sickening to watch Americans do nothing to stop this modern day Hitler.

R161 you've done this before, urging widespread demonstrations and generally throwing shit on the walls. You are at the very least, a judgmental ass. You have no idea what any of us have done or are doing. No idea.

You are right, R162. And he gets more and more unhinged as the thread progresses.

I DO think he is here to spread discontent and cause chaos.

I have blocked R161 and I suggest that you do the same. This is the “Civil Unrest Troll.”

Yep, R164. I blocked him too.

Same

R148, I hope the family sues the US government for every last dime they can get. We'll see just how much these charlatans believe a life is worth.

[quote]A child has died at one of the ICE detention centres.

Womp womp!

r145 All of that plus there is a segment of Deplorables who are proud of their aggressive ignorance. Their bravado is not masking some deep-seated inferiority complex. They truly are proud to be rednecks. They truly are proud they never went to no liberal college. They are truly proud to be racist. They've been waiting and waiting for some politician to come along and validate their ignorance, and be as loud and rude and stupid as they are, and they finally found him.

The press needs to stop trying to figure these people out. They are not precious unicorns to be studied. They're just ignorant trash who should be ignored, not celebrated.

Former FL Rep David Jolly was on MSNBC and was sent by them to a Dump rally. He said he was shocked at how homogeneous it was. 99% white with any black person strategically placed. He represented that area (Tampa) and said he has never seen a crowd like that in decades. He also said he may be close to going the Steve Schmidt route and leaving the Repug party.

I once worked with a woman who, at meetings and in casual conversation, referred to our clients as clowns and idiots. I was new to the division and totally shocked. The incompetent boss did nothing. I read that when people continually call others degrading names the listeners eventually associate those words with the person who speaks them. It's true. It wasn't long before I thought of her as a clown and a loser. I finally complained to the boss and she stopped talking that way, at least around me.

Now, with all the horrible things that trump says, I remember that. Trump is a loser, a disgrace, etc, because every insulting thing he says about others, he is. A failing, fake president, fat, ugly, and pathetic.

That black guy always holding the Blacks for Trump sign is a cult member. I can't remember all the details of the cult, but murders were involved. I think they were in Miami.

R170, I’m always happy when Republicans see the light and leave their party. The issue I have is that some of them join Democrats with the expectation for us to tilt further to the right. That’s not how this works, dear Republican friends!

Maybe the press should ask Huckabeast why they allow this man to be front and center at Trump rallies.

I apologize to you (and everyone else) for that and this bump, R156.

I’ve been following these threads faithfully. They are very informative. For reasons I can’t explain this new thread never appeared on my devices after #40 concluded.

I bumped it on a friend’s computer to see if it would reappear on mine. It didn’t.

I realize now it had somehow been relegated to the “ignored poster” file before I ever saw it.

R173 I always wonder why, when they leave the Dems, they seem to go from center-right to hard right. When they leave for us, they stay center. I guess some are just raised to be Repugs and it is their identity and they have a hard time shedding that.

Many are leaving due to disgust at their party and Dump. They aren't necessarily becoming Dems but rather independents. At least many are advocating voting Dems (J Rubin, S Schmidt and others).

Did Nicole Wallace officially leave the Repugs?

What R157 said. The Trump-Koch hissy fit is just theater.

So McConnell has again refused to add money to beef up our election system. Right.out.in.the.open. Brazen!

Maybe we should ask China to hack our election system on our behalf. Ask for the House, Senate, Govs, state legs. Why not? Obviously nothing is gonna stop the Repugs from allowing the Russians to attack us again.

[quote]So McConnell has again refused to add money to beef up our election system

Matt Yglesias:

Republicans pretend to believe Russian meddling didn’t make a difference to the 2016 outcome but sure as hell want to make sure nobody stops them from making a difference in 2020.

And the deplorables say "So what if Russia helped the repugs?" then I say "Ok, China, hey girl, lets talk."

R161, there needs to be a spark.

Fuck you, R161, I demonstrate and protest repeatedly. F&F.

Shhhh r182!

R161 proudly wears his Che t-shirt every day.

Under another shirt. And a sweater.

R176, I watched Nicole’s show when they talked about Steve Schmidt leaving the Republican Party and someone said that Wallace left a while ago. They’re both pretty smart people and I’m glad they jumped ship. For now.

I tell you what. I bet a lot of those people were bused in and they were given instructions on how to act. He has done that before. In fact he has hired and paid actors to do shit like that. Why doesn't the media look in to how those people got there and where they came from. I bet they were bused in.

Getting a couple of thousand Deplorables from (and around) Tampa to show up at a Trump "Rally" is not difficult.

That part of Florida is filled with them. They don't need to be "hired" or bussed in.

What else do they have to do.

WOW, CNN just said prosecutors told the judge today they will finish their arguments next week.

Wow, this means this case could have a length of 2 1/2 weeks. It will probably be finished by mid-August.

Ellis has been chivvying the prosecution along to an almost obnoxious degree so far.

The Rocket Docket had better result in conviction.

I wonder if that's why Trump seems so frantic: he knows his time is nearly up and that the trail is gonna expose a lot of shit about him?

R175, it is very easy to accidentally click on an ignore icon when you’re just simply scrolling, especially in touch screen or hand-held devices. I can’t tell you all the times I’m not able to see any of my posts only to find out I have ignored myself.

I know this is a little OT but since we are talking about ignored posts, I know I’ve ignored a ton of people, but when I go to the “Ignored” tab at the top of DL, it has “PostS ignored by poster 1, posts ignored by poster 2” and on and on. But there are no posts under the entries. Is this what all of you mean by posters clearing their cookies?

I have been wondering the same thing r193. Posts under the "ignored posts" will even disappear throughout the day.

Who knows but I often block people I don't mean to. DL is not mobile friendly.

I'm intrigued by the message posted in an earlier thread (#39?) about a possible connection between the Las Vegas massacre and Russiagate.

No doubt, Mueller is looking into that.

OK there are obviously a lot of newbies in this thread (welcome!) who don’t know how to properly reference a previous post to make it clickable and observable.

No, you don’t address someone as 143 or poster 153 or #143. That doesn’t help anyone to understand anything. The proper way to reference a previous post is simply to put the letter r right before the post number, WITH NO SPACE, BRACKETS, COMMAS PR ANYTHING IN BETWEEN the letter r and the number. There’s even no need to capitalize the r. Datalounge will take care of the rest.

UNDERSTOOD, NEW BITCHES?

Judge T.S. Ellis has repeatedly objected to the government's focus on Manafort's luxury spending saying it is not relevant to the 18 charges of tax fraud and bank fraud he is facing.

The judge has also urged the prosecution to move the case along and banned them from calling Manafort's Ukrainian paymasters 'oligarchs' saying it is 'pejorative'.

'It isn't a crime to have a lot of money and be profligate in your spending,' said Judge Ellis after the prosecution's opening statement on Tuesday, which referenced Manafort's $6 million in real estate holdings and $15,000 custom ostrich suit.

The judge continued to admonish the prosecutors on Wednesday, after they brought in two witnesses who worked at luxury menswear companies and testified that Manafort spent over $1.5 million on custom suits and other clothes.

'The government doesn't want to prosecute somebody because they wear nice clothes, right?' asked the judge.

When prosecutors continued by asking one of the menswear employees to add up the list of prices for Manafort's suits, Judge Ellis snapped 'that's enough. [The jury] can add.'

'You have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he signed tax documents to show he knowingly didn't represent his true income,' he said brusquely at an another point.

He refused to let prosecutors show pictures of Manafort's suits on the television screens in the court.

The judge also interjected at several points and questioned witnesses himself when he believed the prosecution was meandering and taking too long to get to the point.

On Wednesday afternoon, Judge Ellis said he expects the trial to wrap up 'much sooner' than the three weeks many estimated — and seemed to lay the blame for any delays on the prosecution.

You'll need to translate that into Russian, R197, if you want to have any impact.

Yeah, R197 why are you helping those that are obvious trolls?

Where's Rachel Maddow? She wasn't in to work Monday or Tuesday. I wonder if she'll be there tonight. Maybe, hopefully she is taking some time off while the trial is going on. Not a lot of news she hasn't already covered.

August is big vacation month.

One thing about Rachel: No reason to assume she is not on a week's vacation. But why don't they just tell us? I mean, even faux news does that.

Most news shows don’t tell you why someone’s out. They just say they’re out (and they have a right to keep that private)..

#39 refers to thread #39.

Rachel out again tonight; Ari substituting and doing a fine job so far.

Ari ALWAYS does a fine job.

The Manafort case is not complicated. The government basically needs to show that Manafort received income that he failed to declare on federal tax return,; basically, tax evasion.

Buying extravagant suits and so forth shows wealth or access to much money; but tax avoidance would be the crime.

The extravagant lifestyle shows that he was spending money that he was not reporting to the IRS. The prosecutors are likely highlighting that because the tax fraud is easier to grasp when you show that he reported income of $900,000 a year, but was spending millions and millions of dollars on suits, clothing, expensive cars, and antique rugs. Everyone can understand that if you are wildly spending beyond your means then either you are in debt up to your eyeballs, or you have secret sources of cash that you are hiding from the government.

The prosecutors have all the facts and figures on paper, but that can be a bit dry and boring. The testimony about the suits and the cars brings it all to life in a way that numbers just can't.

[quote]I'm intrigued by the message posted in an earlier thread (#39?) about a possible connection between the Las Vegas massacre and Russiagate.

This is a conspiracy theory put forward by Q-anon. CNN just did a quick story on this tonight.

R210, worth stressing, Q-anon is a bogus alt-right thing.

Can someone figure out what kind of broche is Jilly Wine Banks wearing today at Lawrence’s show?

Someone on MSNBC said prosecutors may not have Gates testify. Is this along with the seeming belligerence of Judge Ellis a good thing? I know nothing about law.

Link is for you R212.

R212: It is Trump unraveling.

If Gates isn't going to testify, that means they have enough evidence without his testimony. That would be a good thing.

Sounds like Manafort trial is ahead schedule - Trump is stuck in a corner and Sessions won’t save him

Thanks r214.

We won't know if the judge is biased until he gets the chance to treat the defense lawyers like shit, too. We'll know soon after they start presenting their defense which can only consist of what exactly? Gates did it? Manafort is just a little innocent who couldn't figure out how to pay taxes properly but could set up an offshore account like nobody's business? Oh, he meant to pay those taxes but just forgot?

He has no defense. I think this is a lot like the judge being an ass to the prosecution when Manafort was asking for something but then he ruled in the prosecutor's favor. He's being a jerk to the prosecutors because he knows Manafort is guilty as hell and will be convicted and he's covering himself from any claims of bias from the deplorables. Wonder what nickname Trump will give Ellis when Manafort is found guilty?

It's a good thing I'm not a prosecutor.

"OK, your honor, no 'oligarchs.'"

"When Mr. Manafort accepted $10 million from very rich Russian business leaders with a great deal of political influence . . ."

R212, Ms. Wine Banks was wearing a lovely mechanical action brooch today. Loved it!

Rachel gets death threats on a regular basis, so I'm guessing MSNBC keeps her personal information (vacations, where and when) private.

I don't know about this judge for the Manafort trial...He is rushing the trail and stopping prosecutors from presenting evidence. Now, they are saying Gates may not be called to the stand. WTF?! Manafort is trying to blame him for everything and he does not get to defend himself? Is this judge bought and paid for or a Trump loyalist?

R223 Lets wait and see how he treats the defense. Nothing he is doing now is going to hurt the prosecution's case. They have the goods on Manatee.

R224 - OK! I will be watching! Ari is covering Judge Ellis' smackdowns in court today and it is pissing me off so far...

Ugh, these are awful times. I'm really worried about how it's going to turn out. I hate trump and can't stand the lying cheat is still in office, stacking courts and deregulating like mad while profiting off the presidency. Scum.

[quote]Wonder what nickname Trump will give Ellis when Manafort is found guilty?

I'm sure he'll start by calling the jury 12 Angry Democrats from the Swamp or something equally deplorable.

Apropos of the LV-Russiagate conspiracy, what happened with the investigation into the LV mass shooting? One minute the police was briefing hourly, the next - no reports, no nothing.

Trump has lousy legal representation if Rudy isn't telling him to stop his stupid tweeting.

r223, the court and the judge is called The Rocket Docket.

The prosecutors know this and they have every fucking duck in a row.

The evidence is more than persuasive and substantiated.

Let the prosecutors...prosecute.

[quote]The judge has also urged the prosecution to move the case along and banned them from calling Manafort's Ukrainian paymasters 'oligarchs' saying it is 'pejorative'.

Understandable lapse though given the national tone set by Trump: the pejorative is his default manner, proudly ingrained. When he tries to be civil he sounds laughably (yes) fake.

[quote]Wonder what nickname Trump will give Ellis when Manafort is found guilty?

Let's hope in that likely instance that the judge then coolly deprecates the soi-disant 'President' as pejorative - a word of course with far too many syllables to be comprehensible to Trump.

Has he been tweeting more than usual lately? Is it his panic that they're closing in?

R231 yes, he’s in full panic mode about to have a meltdown.

I suspect that at some point Ivanka will get Maester Qyburn to concoct a peaceful poison to slip into his Coca Cola, and he'll just go to sleep. I understand she's quite upset about not being able to sell her purses.

"Oligarch" may be a pejorative term in the U.S., but in Ukraine, as in Russia, it's basically a political term, a standard and precise part of the sociopolitical vocabulary. When someone says that Manafort worked for Ukrainian oligarchs it's not like saying he worked for "Ukrainian fat cats" or the like.

I agree, R234. But I believe what R218 says. I think Judge Ellis is engaging in a bit of theater to appear tough and hostile to the prosecution but in the end he will go with the evidence.

[quote] but in the end he will go with the evidence

Well, it is not really up to him because this is a jury trial. Yes, there will be a motion for a judgment of acquittal (MJOA) at the end of the government's case, but it would be shocking for him to grant that -- basically saying that the government has failed to present sufficient evidence to let the case go to the jury. And there will be another MJOA at the conclusion of the case. But, again it would be the rarest of cases -- and not this one -- where the judge won't let the jury make a decision about guilt or innocence.

And, after the jury finds a defendant guilty, the defense can move for a judgment notwithstanding the verdict, which asks the judge to overrule the jury. But that too is rarely granted. Trial judges would rather let a convicted defendant make that same argument to the Court of Appeals. Again, appellate courts almost never reverse convictions for insufficient evidence. (It happens, but it is the exception.)

So, while Judge Ellis has opportunities to intervene in the case, the ultimate decision about guilt is really the province of the jury and a seasoned trial judge is not going to invade that on the lightest of whims in a case with this much international attention.

I've been watching the CNN decade retrospective shows (CNN currently airing "The 2000s" and "The Nineties" all the way to "The Sixties" on On Demand and Netflix).

Of course it depends on how it finishes, but I can't help but wonder how history is going to present this Trump presidency.

It will be presented as what ut was-a genuine catastrophe in which our democracy was seriously at risk.

Good question, R237. Currently, I see it as the last hurrah for Trump himself (what do you do for an encore?), the boomers as a political power, possibly evangelicals as a political power and overt-deplorables.

I agree, r238. I think it will take decades for the true extent of the collusion to be uncovered (at least to the public).

I agree with R240. But the books people write about all this thirty years from now will be shocking.

If we live that long. Trump could get us all nuked on Tuesday for all we know...

I am hanging onto my optimism cautiously, r241 ... makes me want to read up on other times/places with great political unrest and upheaval, ie China's Cultural Revolution or the Thirty Years War. Because people somehow manage to survive.

albeit after Thirty Years of War

i don't know how to quit you, vlad

[quote]Because people somehow manage to survive.

except of course, for the 2 million Chinese who didn't

It was way more than 2 million, r245

I hope not R240. The truth needs to come out as soon as the traitors are brought to justice and their ability to do damage contained.

You know it is highly possible that all the facts of this mess might be placed under seal for 25 or 50 years just like they sealed the reports on the Kennedy assassination and the Cuban Missile Crisis and various wars.We're watching this unfold in real tie on TV, and we a re getting a lot of information from the Media. But what we don't have and may never have in our lifetime, is the Russian side of it. We don't have any Russians willing to go on camera, and talk about what Putin did or said, or who all was involved, how it was set up, etc. I remember a documentary about the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the documentarians actually interviewed Fide Castro and some retired Russian Military officers and leaders about Russia's involvement in Cuba. It was fascinating especially told from their perspective. ( The Russians loved being assigned to Cuba. They had big fun there. )

[quote]The Russians loved being assigned to Cuba. They had big fun there.

Nothing compared to the fun American service men had in Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

Why has Chuck Grassley been running interference for Trump since this whole thing started? Why is Grassley protecting the entire Trump family? Why won't he recall people who lied to his committee? Why was he sitting very cozily with a bunch of Russians at those National Prayer Breakfasts?

Grassley has quite openly been one of the most treason-supporting Senators since the beginning and nobody does any reporting on it.

Oh....I'll just leave this here.....

Let me guess... he still won’t take a shower or dry clean his one suit jacket.

He’ll show up looking dazed and hungover, puffy eyes and bed-head, taking sips from his flask in between meetings.

Traitor

The neighbor should have run him over and finished the job. He looks like shit with a raging case of acne.

Treasonous traitor. Lock him up!

Uhhhh.....

Man, these people have a lot of fucking nerve. They truly do not give a fuck. They're scared and they're running to Mother Russia for guidance. Anyone who listens to Rand Paul ought to figure out in about 3 minutes that he is a fucking lunatic. Thanks for pointing out Grassley's nastiness. We need to make sure all this stuff goes viral. I want to do everything I can to help the Dems take the Senate. We need posters of McConnell and his gang of bastards and I hope we see more demonstrators go to Rand Pauls house and Grassley's house with signs saying Traitor on them. Demonstrate at their houses. Call them out in restaurants. I'm not the Demonstrate Troll, but I do support Miss Maxine Waters, United States Congresswoman.

Since we are we shaming acts of democratic protest? Since when is this something to be FFd for?

This thread has been hijacked.

Democracy doesn’t come in the mail.

#RESIST

??????? r259

What are you referring to?

CBC headline: "Early days of Manafort's fraud trial reveal his fashion crimes"

I don't think anyone here is shaming "acts of democratic protest." We're just trying to ignore the troll for whom there's nothing on the scale between doing nothing and taking en masse to the streets. Stop the false dichotomies! There are lots of ways to resist; in any case, many of us *are* attending rallies and protests.

[quote]President Donald Trump has directed a "vast, government-wide effort" to protect American elections after Russian attempts to interfere in 2016, the White House said Thursday.

'Russian attempts.' So, they were and are now openly known about. How. pray, were those 'attempts' handled so as to leave the 2016 election without question uncorrupted?

Why has this 'vast' effort not been prosecuted and publicised long long before now if known about?

Trump has said that Putin told him there was no interference in the 2016 election. And now all of a sudden, 'attempts' have been located, and need curtailing next time. Again. Perhaps Mr President might share with the world more about the discovery of these 'attempts.' It'll surely give him the chance once more to blame 'his' Intelligence Services. Because of course - the buck never ever stops with him.

Trump vs. Koch Is a Custody Battle Over Congress

About the Manafort trial: I don't think Judge Ellis has done anything worth worrying about. Judges frequently like to throw their weight around at the beginning of trials, to make sure everyone stays on his best behavior. And this is a really high profile case, so he's probably pretty keyed up.

Haha the Repugs took the Koch’s money and ran.

“According to the Washington Post, Koch said that he “regrets” backing some of the Republicans he helped elect, because they had strayed from the Koch network’s agenda. As a result, he reportedly said, at the closed-door meeting in Colorado, “We’re going to be more strict on holding someone accountable if they say they’re going to be for the principles that we espouse, and then they aren’t.” It was in this context that he said he might even consider backing Democrats.”

We are witnessing the fall of the Koch brothers. This is too hilarious. And cable news is going on and on about pointless issues when this is the real story.

Suckers come in all shapes and sizes, including billionaires. Scammed by their own think-tanks and politicians.

And now the poor Kochs are a laughing stock, unable to get anyone to pick up the phone.

Just catching up on MJ recording. Damn! Trumpedo is freaking out. He tweeted 7 times this morning (same old bullshit with exclamation points). Oh My!

The Koch brothers are losers.

The Mercers have been quiet lately. Wonder what they’re cooking up.

They are also huge suckers who get ripped off at every turn. They never met a scam they didn’t fall for. If it weren’t for the shady hedge fund (????) they’d be broke.

The (possible) connection between the Russia investigation and the Las Vegas massacre that was mentioned in thread 39 has nothing to do with Q-anon or the alt-right.

It involves suspicious activity connected to Erik Prince and Dana Rohrabacher.

Get to know your oligarchs. Some of them are weak fools proped up by luck and circumstances. They are being manipulated by smarter people.

Some are very wise and know better than to lie down with dogs.

Can you elaborate, R270?

Robert Mercer, the New York hedge-fund magnate whose huge donations to pro-Trump groups in 2016 have been credited with putting Donald Trump in the White House, has kept a low profile since the election. But his daughter Rebekah, who runs the family’s foundation, now has a way to relive the thrill of the campaign with friends around her dinner table. In March, on a ski vacation at a rented house near Vail, Colorado, she brought a batch of copies of the “Rules of Play” for an elaborate parlor game called the Machine Learning President. Essentially, it is a race to the Oval Office in three fifteen-minute rounds. It’s a role-playing game, more like Assassin than like Monopoly, although players of this game do start out with an allotment of “cash” to spend on pushing their agendas, which can include “algorithmic policing” and “mass deportation.”

Rebekah Mercer looks awful. She should lay off the make up and have her head compressed vertically. That might make her face too wide, though. Perhaps a forehead and chin reduction?

r271, my fave is Dmitry Rybolovlev.

The greatest money launderer in the history of MONEY!

His transactions with Trump and the Bank of Cyprus should be enough to take down this administration.

I’ve always thought that ISIS money came from somewhere sophisticated, and they quickly had Burbank level studio output.

The whole thing was bizarre and well funded.

Wouldn’t be surprised if some of this terrorism had recognizeable names as funders.

Start-up money has to come from somewhere. Later on they were making their own money.

Check thread #39, R272.

The number of the message is somewhere around R320 (I think).

Follow the link in the message.

Rebekah Mercer, the second of Mercer’s three daughters, worked for her father’s hedge fund, Renaissance Technologies, before quitting to homeschool her children. Unlike her reclusive father, who once told a colleague that he prefers the company of cats to that of people, Rebekah likes to socialize. She is said to have brought Kellyanne Conway and Steve Bannon into the Trump campaign.

“The Mercers are building a global far-right movement to embed Judeo-Christian values” while “keeping government small, ineffective and out of the way.”

Great.

[quote]keeping government small, ineffective and out of the way.

Surely they are in favor of Roe v. Wade then?

So the LV shooting was some kind of alleged distraction from Prince's and Rohrabacher's crimes? Where did Paddock fit in?

Do we have some troll that keeps trying to bring Las Vegas into this?

[quote] “According to the Washington Post, Koch said that he “regrets” backing some of the Republicans he helped elect, because they had strayed from the Koch network’s agenda.

Aw. See? They are just like us, being tricked to support a guy who, when elected, turns on us. I am really starting to feel so sorry about these poor guys. /s

R282 wondering the same thing. What's the angle?

Trolling, R282, R284....just trolling

[quote] Trump vs. Koch Is a Custody Battle Over Congress

Yeah, the Koch Bros. have lost their influencial power. They have to lower themselves dealing with Putin's servants. Not even have the power to go after the real master, Putin.

Sorry, influential power.

Watch the election talk. After spending the first 2 years of his term insisting his boyfriend Vlad insisted there was no interference suddenly, on the eve of a potentially devastating blue wave, he cares about election security. Don't be surprised if Vlad didn't give him the info he needs to suppress and/or alter votes in Finland. He will try to corrupt elections while masquerading as the protector of our election system. Everyone has to vote and make sure they get at least 2 other people to vote who otherwise wouldn't.

As for five head Mercer and her gang of thieves, they are nothing but filth and trash.

R279, scary! The height of stupidity is thinking that you can control how people think or to devalue their ability to think for themselves. Deplorables may be duped but critical thinkers are not. Christians are a minority on the global stage and people are going to do what they're going to do. If the Mercers, or anyone, want to spread some sort of message of morality, as in Judeo-Christian values, they'll get a lot further by being examples of goodness rather than enablers of crackpots like Bannon. Whatever they're doing, it's not what Jesus would do. I'm not religious but I know that much.

Fuck the Mercers, Bannons, Kochs and their ilk. None are Christian, all are thieves, evil, demons, vile and power hungry who will do anything to keep power. Hang them all!

Rebekah Mercer is one ugly cunt.

I heard on NPR that the prosecution quickly recanted about Gates and were only saying he may or may not testify due to the jurors being in the room.

For all that is Holy, Rebekah......

I just can't believe the Russian attack isn't getting or eliciting a much larger, more visceral response.

It just goes to show you, most conservatives never loved this country. They love their power and what they idealize this country to be. They would gladly allow Russia to take over if it meant they stayed in control.

We were attacked far worse than Pearl Harbor or 9/11 during the 2016 election. If this isn't stopped, all of it come to light, and the treasonous assholes who participated or had knowledge of it aren't hanged, it will happen again.

Enjoy.

There is a connection between Mercer and the hate videos on YouTube that Dylan Roof and the Charleston guy and others were inspired by.

Are these glasses from Claire’s?

HANG THEM!

Hasn't Rebel Media been connected to CDAN?

You bitches better back off.

Rebekah’s never looked better!

Watching Jake Tapper today, I've always appreciated someone like Amanda Carpenter, who worked with Ted Cruz, yet she always calls out Dump and other Repugs. She seemed exasperated today with this idiot conservative sitting next to her.

R298 I would bet they are all connected. I think this has been a highly coordinated attack, planned with Russia, for years and years.

To me, this high school assembly of the Intelligence Community warning about Russian election interference doesn't pass the smell test.

I'll bet that they were all marched out there on Presidential order to put on a good show.

Where was Trump?

I think we now know most of what happened in 2016. The pieces have been put together and the names and faces have been revealed.

They’re all guilty of exactly what was suspected.

What remains a mystery?

^^^something that terrifies trump. I’m thinking a financial connection to 9/11 or something like that.

R301, it was definitely awkward. I think that yesterday when the Tech experts testified before the Senate Intel committee in a public session about the continuing Russian interference, it was embarrassing for the Administration, so Shine, the Faux News/Roger Ailes Communications Director decided to re-spin the narrative by insisting the government's Intel guys all come forward to say they were on it. But the only two guys I trust in that group are Christopher Wray and Dan Coats. the Homeland Security Nazi Nielsen, and John Bolton are too cozy with Russia and Trump to do anything and Nielsen is a total liar.

A spectacle at best.

I’m wondering if Mattis is holding strong. That is the final pin holding this all together.

Mattis and Coats the NSA guy, and Wray who also supervises the counter Intel ops are all decent men, and they're doing their jobs. Niesen is an ideologue and a bitch, Bolton is vile has been for years.

The administration is building a case to invalidate the mid-term elections due to "interference" from Russia and/or other nations. The GOP is going get it's ass kicked and they want to set-up an "out" and/or "do over".

Us first R307!

R307 Yep, that is what I am seeing as well.

Yeah my first thought about them coming out NOW to say that they are stepping up to stop Russian Interference is in fact just a way for them to invalidate results they don't like in November OR give them the power to 1) come up with ways to prevent "certain people" from voting or 2) declare some sort of emergency which "postpones," elections or whatever.

There's a shitload of news coming down the pike as always, but I thought it was worth noting that John McCain put out a statement today saying Rand Paul is working for Putin.

That should count for...something.

Time waits for no traitors

From Kyle Griffin's twitter

Schumer: "The National Archives has confirmed that Senate Republicans are keeping a large majority of Judge Kavanaugh's W.H. records hidden from the public. This unprecedented suppression ... leads unavoidably to the question: What are Pres. Trump and Senate Republicans hiding?”

r311 John McCain may be putting out one about his bff, Miz Lindzey, if she continues on this bandwagon to undermine the Mueller investigation & protect Trump from prosecution.

I think that someone on Trump's legal team explained that you can aid and abet an enemy power by NOT doing something.

Money Laundering can be about a lot of things other than real estate and shady land deals.

Not saying it applies to this investigation, but money laundering can be associated with illegal arms sales, terror networks, financing private militias, mining of gold/silver/jewels, human trafficking including children, sex trade, trafficking exotic and rare animals, selling ivory, skins, furs; and of course the real biggie: illegal drugs of all kinds.

Something is tied to money laundering some people in high places are desperate to keep hidden.

r316, like Dmitry Rybolovlev, fertilizer, mansions and newly discovered Leonardo's.

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Hold up- so, everyone is saying the Russians are CONTINUING to attack us. They are continually to fucking attack us, everyone is now "on board" with this assessment yet where is the unmitigated outrage, the declarations of war, the manning all stations alert???????? We look like feckless cunts doing nothing but talking.

Pres Tre45on just sits there, dawdling about Mueller while the country he swore (*snicker) to protect and defend is still under attack from the same country?

What am I missing?

[quote]What am I missing?

The fact that Trump wants to be able to blame the Russians for any Democratic gains this fall.

r319, the Russians have never STOPPED attaching and hacking the United States HUNDREDS OF TIMES A SECOND.

R320 and R321 I know but others should be beyond this now and sounding the alarms. If this doesn't rise to the level of War or else, then the Russian hold on the Repugs is from top to bottom.

Sure everyone is "on board" and yet the Rethugs just refused to spend extra money on securing elections?

It doesn't add up. The only thing that makes sense is that they're readying to nullify the election or prevent it completely.

What was the final explanation of Trump’s slurred speech pressser a few months ago?

R324 Which is why the IC, military and civil servants should be sounding the alarms and turning up the heat until they have to do something. I just can't wrap my brain around this. So many are ho-hum about this when we are being actively attacked with Putin smiling, laughing at us.

Repugs are the most vile, treasonous beings.

They are putting down the fuel for their Reichstag fire R324. I just hope Mueller and any whistleblowers out there in the wilderness who have intel they can spill get to them before they can light the matches - every. last. one. of. them.

The Secret Service employed a Russian spy in the USA's Moscow embassy. The Secret Service are such fucking idiots.

I don't trust Omarosa, she may be trying to help give Trump a claim of mental incompetence for when he goes on trial.

Isn't Omarosa Bin Laden known to be a lying liar?

That's what I thought R329. She's still on payroll.

They think they are doing something. They had a news conference today to make sure we know, hey, yeah, it's bad, and hey we're like...gonna do everything we can, ya know? Pitiful. They have been embarrassed and forced into "doing something" or at least to be seen to be doing something, to act like they're "ding something" but yeah, they'll blame the Russians when the Dems win, and then tell the base Trump is innocent because the Russians are helping the Dems and the Dems should be investigated.

Now look at r269

The prosecution fucks up again.

[quote] Judge Ellis Loses Patience with Mueller Prosecutors and Ends Court Early Over Major Screw-Up

he's a fucking broken record. All his talking points is a) hillary's fault 2) obama's fault 3) look at the great economy 4) make america great again. 5) witch hunt 6) blah blah blah

Why does piggy keep yelling Make America Great Again? You think with being at it for over a year with the best team of people in the entire world America would be 'Great' by now.

So the Koch have no follow-up statement after being humiliated this weekend?

They are being ghosted by the repugs.

r334 Link, please.

[quote] Sure everyone is "on board" and yet the Rethugs just refused to spend extra money on securing elections? It doesn't add up. The only thing that makes sense is that they're readying to nullify the election or prevent it completely.

You got it. It's a problem -- but the Repugs are not going to do anything about it -- until after the Dems win control, and then they will try and nullify the election. It won't work, but that's not going to stop them from trying. And, if we're going to nullify elections, I agree with the poster up-thread: get in line. We'll take a do-over on 2016. Thank you very much.

Is that curly-haired Kentucky Senator defecting?

He sounds like a Putty Poo apologist.

Or, is he being groomed as NEXT...?

Putty Poo figured Junior just isn't smart enough material, even with his new squeeze. The old one from Fox with all the weighty make-up.

It is odd Rand suddenly became Dana R on steriods about Russia. It does sound like Putin has a back up stooge in mind.

John McCain seems to agree.

McCain said it over a year ago and no one cared or listened. And Rand just keeps on making it more obvious.

R335> Add -- "No Collusion!" and "FAKE NEWS"

[quote]So the Koch have no follow-up statement after being humiliated this weekend?

See R157. It’s all a game.

As Ari Melber just reported, that rather than be sent on an employment related “mission” to a neutral country, where she could be arrested, the Russian Secret Service mole inside our embassy was allowed to quietly “separate from service.”

WTF?

My guess is the Russians got wind of the government closing in on her. Among other things, Putin told Trump during their two hour closed door “summit” that she was to be let go.

Manafort' bookkeeper testified today. Sounds pretty damning.

Yo! Michael Avenatti is making a couple appearances!

Brooklyn (see below) and Iowa (see next post).

Avenatti in Iowa next week.

OOPS! r348 here! I don't know my calendar! Mea culpa!

(Did anyone here attend?)

Mike Murphy, GOP strategist, says the media need to stop sending reporters to all of Dump's rallies. Send in an AP pool reporter and AP photog and call it a day. THANK YOU, MIKE!

Said on Lawrence O'Donnell tonight.

Omarosa reminds me of Mother, House of Abundance on Pose.

[quote] Dump's rallies.

What precisely is the point of these rallies other than to stroke his bloated ego with deplorables who worship him? Nothing. He's not announcing any new policy initiatives. He's not discussing some solution to an existing problem. He just goes and spews lies that are lapped up by the fawning masses he has assembled. It is as if he is still running in the 2016 election. He bashes Hillary, he bashes Obama, and he recycles all of his tired, absurd shtick about the Wall, the immigrants, the swamp, the economy, and making America great. I am unaware of anyone else -- from Washington to Obama -- who engaged this bizarre behavior. And, of course, we probably get stuck footing a lot of the bill for his vanity tours.

R351> ITA, it just puts them in harm's way for a bullshit rally.

Was Rachel out tonight?

Yep

R355: Yes, Ari again.

The MSM helped give us Trump by, as the primaries wore on, covering his - we now suspect - Russian augmented rallies, to the exclusion of other candidates, as if they were more important.

Now they know better; but they are still doing it.

I’m with Mike Murphy

And PBS

And anybody with a sane head on their shoulders

The thing that nobody's really commenting on about those Hillbilly Nuremberg rallies is the people are all paid to show up.

Rallies are more fun when drones show up.

Remember back when Al Franken ran for the Senate and the state Republican Party, it's governor, or whomever refused to seat him? He lost a full year or more while they fought it out. All it takes is a few states with nasty Republicans in charge to attempt to invalidate the outcome of an election.

here's a wiki description of what happened in Franken's case.

Daily White House protests against Trump enter third week

Gawd, there is nothing the Repugs won't do to stay in power. Every dirty trick in the book but they took a big bite out of the treason tree this time.

They were saying on one of the MSNBC shows that Mueller will not name Dump in any report or indict. He will be an unindicted, unnamed co-conspirator and the report sent to Congress to impeach or not. If so, that would be disappointing. Did I hear wrong?

R269, Both look like their heads were pulled extra hard by the forceps.

R353, To foment rage and to incite violence. Acosta was one Security guy away from the baying mob's tearing him apart.

But primarily to destroy democracy, the democracy of a free media, of freedom from government imposition of a state religion, of critical thinking.

It was extremely disturbing to hear those Wilkes Barre attendees praise Trump as always being truthful, right, and successful.

Trump holds rallies for the same reason Hitler held rallies: to solidify his authoritarianism among the unquestioning and adoring masses by raging against in-country "enemies of the people" (the media; immigrants, aka, Not Real Americans); prior leaders who signed "unfair" treaties; and facts.

Well, Trump IS second-generation German.

Opposite-land for Trump continues: "I was waiting fifteen minutes for the Queen"

I guess it was only a matter of time before he decided he needed some way to start a pissing contest with her, too.

Were there Q-Anon types at that PA ralley? Apparently they had there public coming out in Tampa and the media took the bait. These people are fucking imbeciles. Really frightening how stupid and ludicrous it all is. Let them stay in the shadows.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders? Those briefings have turned from absurd to painful to watch.

R370 take small comfort in the fact that many of these people are paid shills. I know.. There are a lot of crazy Trump supporters especially in places like Tampa, and maybe in Wilkes Barrie too. I'm not denying it. But Trump has been putting paid actors in the audience to sort of goad them and "encourage " them. He did it at his announcement rally in 2015, when he was coming down the escalator to applause. The other thing to note is his crowds are getting smaller. I haven't read crowd size regularly but in the past two weeks I know in one place he was in a room that fits 18,000 and he had less than 5,000. Yes there are some blind incredibly ignorant people at his rallies who think he's literally the Second Coming. But there are curiosity seekers too, who just want to see a President. I'm nit denying the facts I just want to balance them a little. The fact that he still has supporters is scary to me. And when you consider what an ugly person he is and how incredibly dishonest he is, that tells me we have some very sick people in this country.

R372 I totally agree with you. One thing about that that frustrates me is why do the “good guys” in media NEVER pan the camera out at his rallies. I mean, never? It totally pisses me off. They literally are handing him camera angles that enable him every fucking day.

It would do a lot for our morale to see the empty seats. His base HAS shrunk. They’re still there, mind you, but defectors do exist.

R370 and others .. Anybody see Clint Watts on MSNBC yesterday? He was discussing Q-Anon. And what he said was very disturbing. It stuck with me all day. He believes there's a strong possibility they are here to stay for awhile and their divisiveness will turn violent at some point. Someone might need to start a running thread with news postings of them similar to this one.

I've been following Clint Watts ever since early 2017 just after he left the CIA. Everything he's warned us about has pretty much come true.

[quote]One thing about that that frustrates me is why do the “good guys” in media NEVER pan the camera out at his rallies.

I'm more frustrated that there's media there in the first place. There's no news being made at his rallies. Just send one pool reporter and be done with it.

{quote]Trump holds rallies for the same reason Hitler held rallies: to solidify his authoritarianism among the unquestioning and adoring masses

They are PR to make him look look popular by many, many people in America (resistance is futile, just look at how many Deplorables there are at Trump's rally! You should rather join them than resist!).

"Inaccurate claims"

Trump needs these rallies. He loves the adoration. As for QAnon, and other conspiracy groups and the Alt Right, etc. their capacity for violence is not new and it's not news, really. I love Watts and he has a lot of credibility, but put his comments in context. This groups started out as some random internet group and now it is morphing into a physical force, a presence. It's the same people recycled through one hate group after another. I think what I fear even more is that the Alt Right is focused on deliberately recruiting younger people. We're always going to have to worry about either their provocative behavior or their deliberate violent actions. We can't afford to be paralyzed. I remember when we were getting ready to march for Gun Safety with the Parkland kids, I was told that the Alt Right people were going to show up and the NRA supporters would be there to try to start something and the march would turn violent. It never happened. The march was well attended, it was peaceful, fun and there were maybe there or four small group of people standing on corners cat calling with their nasty signs, but the mobs of violent counter protesters never materialized. These people are cowards at heart.

R378 "As for QAnon, and other conspiracy groups and the Alt Right, etc. their capacity for violence is not new and it's not news, really."

Normally I would agree with you. But we're living in different times now. Among other important factors, previous groups didn't have the President of the United States encouraging them.

CNN reporting Don Jr compares Dems' agenda to Nazis.

Anyone know the details? Projecting much?

Isn't there a rule in US politics that equating your opponent with Hitler, in public and on the record, is usually a sign of desperation ?

R380:

In a video posted Thursday by the pro-Trump One America News Network, Jack Posobiec -- a prominent right-wing voice online who supported the Pizzagate hoax -- spoke with Donald Trump Jr., who compared the present-day Democratic Party to Nazis and disparaged history taught by academics.

"I've been out hearing the left talking about all these things, fascism, Nazism on the right," Trump Jr. said. "And when you look at the actual history of how these things evolved, and when you actually look at that platform versus the platform of the modern left, you say wait a minute, those two are really heavily aligned and, frankly, contrary to the right."

He warned people against saying something "because someone told you that in a history class" because academia had been influenced by the left.

"You see the Nazi platform in the early 1930s and what was actually put out there ... and you look at it compared to like the DNC platform of today, and you're saying, man, those things are awfully similar, to a point where it's actually scary," Trump Jr. said.

At that point, the President's son contrasted his claims about Nazis and the Democratic Party with dreadlocked protesters making accusations of fascism in the US, claiming those protesters do not know what they are "running around and spewing."

Don Jr is almost as dumb as his father.

Almost.

Junior is telling the base not to believe the experts, just as his father is telling them not to believe what they see and hear in the media.

"Only we will tell you the truth. Trust only us."

And if they believe the bullshit coming from either Don Sr or Don Jr's mouths then they deserve what ever the Trumps want to dish out to them.

But we don't.

Thanks, r381.

[quote]He warned people against saying something "because someone told you that in a history class" because academia had been influenced by the left.

That is some scary shit right there. Just because he and his his father don't read books, have no understanding of history and probably got into and out of college by the skin of their inherited wallets, doesn't mean there isn't actual truth and lessons to be learned from history. Communism has never the danger in the US, really. Fascism always has been the greater threat. And it seems we are not just creeping toward it, but maybe starting to run.

R385, this is why we must renew the social shaming of not having a great education. We need to put lack of higher education on par with pediphilia — stigmatize it. And I say this as one who is married to a man without a bachelor’s degree. There actually isn’t anything inherently wrong with not completing college, I’m referring specifically to the moral VALUE of a love of learning, and holding educational institutions in high esteem. Shame people who don’t value education to the point of ostracization, that will prevent bullshit commentary like Don Jr.’s....

PedOphilia sorry

[quote]"I was waiting fifteen minutes for the Queen"

Please let there be an official press release where One "claps back" and reclaims One's time.

Asshole Jr is projecting and trying to flip the script because his father is a fucking Nazi. Trump's rise was similar to Hitler's. His speech is like Hitler's. His rantings against the lying press are just like Hitler's. Trump's word choices and phrases targeting groups he doesn't like are purposely dehumanizing. Trump desires to imprison, and probably kill, his political opponents. He targets and then subdues anyone in his own party who goes against him. He uses rallies to keep his base riled up. Stephen Miller is a literal Nazi and he's the President's closest advisor. And then there are the other literal Nazis who form a core of Trump's base. Those are the very fine people he refuses to condemn.

The Nazis didn't begin by killing Jews, their first mass killing program was aimed at disabled children. Who are the first people Trump put into cages? Children.

Some of us were screaming about these similarities years ago now and were drummed off message boards for it, and the problem has only gotten worse. It's not offensive to point out these similarities and it isn't crazy.

Rand Paul is heading to beloved Russia soon.

Perhaps he's looking for "safe space" from his angry neighbors.

He even uses much of the same body language when speaking at his rallies R389. It's chilling to watch when you turn off the sound. And I disagree R382, he is way dumber and the paternal bar is set extremely low.

Jerry Falwell Jr. joins the fray, likening Hillary to Hitler:

I believe a political revolution is underway in our great nation. Instead of conservative v liberal, the future will be progressive elites (think Woodrow Wilson, Margaret Sanger, ⁦@HillaryClinton⁩, Hitler, Soros) v freedom loving average Americans!

Hitler was a progressive elite?

Jerry Falwell Jr is lower than slime mold, in that tweet and elsewhere.

[quote]Hitler was a progressive elite?

That's apparently what they teach at Falwell's Liberty University.

I would have thought Woodrow Wilson would be a favorite of Jerry Jr. His kind of progressive elite.

Will there be wedding bells ringing soon for Donald Junior and Kimberly Guilfoyle?

Murdoch's Fox News would be covering it moment by moment as a royal wedding.

Kimberly was fired by Fox. Sinclair Broadcasting might make room for it.

That's sad, r397......

R397 prefer to see Caitlyn and Sophia instead.

When did “Nazi” become a perjorative to these people? Eight seconds ago? I hate villains with no consistency.

I'm just going to leave this here....

In one tweet, Huckabee referred to his daughter as “the WINDSHIELD” and Acosta as “the BUG.”

Fuuk the Hucks & ban them from ever being near a dog.

Pigger's so worried that he is sweating out piss.

....a windshield.....

Mueller team talked to Kirsten Davis, D.C. madam and Roger Stoner pal.

Gotta have the HOs for a good scandal.

I'm sure Sarah HuckabeJeepers wishes her dad would just shut up. She knows she's going to have a hard time getting a respectable job in the real world after this shitshow ends, because she lies for the fatboss has sold her soul for the time being.

But dad, I don't need your help. You're kind of crazy yourself.

For those keeping score, the right wing in the Ukraine did the same thing. Out of nowhere, right wing Ukrainian leaders starting calling the left Nazis in order to muddy the water.

We’re in the equivalent of the kitchen sink phase of Ukraine.

Oops, Kristin Davis is ex-Manhattan madam.

Hottie Avenatti on The View.

I love how Ana comes for McCain's Crotch Fruit and calls her out on her shit and gets her so fucking flustered.

[quote]We’re in the equivalent of the kitchen sink phase of Ukraine.

MAGA!

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Sarah knows the media knows she's frequently failing to be truthful. Initially, she was motivated in the role by ideology, ambition, and devotion to Trump. Now, her resentment and anger shows through, and she is going to read off the combative and prepared scripts before her. She knew Costa's question was coming, and had no intention of disagreeing with Trump,'s "enemy of the people" comments. Her performance as press secretary continues to deteriorate. She needs to ask to be re-assigned a less visible role or quit the job altogether.

I see her future as furniture showroom sales manager.

The repugs are going to start throwing literal kitchen sinks at the press. There’s nothing left to throw.

Sarah's husband is kinda cute. How did she manage to land and keep him??

M-O-N-E-Y, Baby!

Rand Paul is getting to be like Miss Lindsey in sending tweets of birthday wishes to certain famous people, mostly major political figures.

Today, Rand Paul tweeted birthday wishes to Milton Friedman. Yep, Milton Friedman.

Milton Friedman's birthday was July 31st, but the economist died in 2006.

Wrinkled Rand must have been homeschooled by his kook father.

Stand up Ira and take a bow!

Rand always looks like he’s about to bust out into tears.

He has never smiled a day in his life.

I tuned into the last few min of The View. I haven't seen this show in years and Megan looks sooo fat!

Let's remember that this "Hitler was a liberal" crap didn't just start with the Trumpoids. Jonah Goldberg, a right-winger of an older cast was flogging his own (poorly argued) version this bs in the George W. Bush years.

They got a lot of mileage out of that in the Ukraine.

Falsewell seems to be getting his hands rather dirty in the clean-up efforts. One wonders what is in it for him.

Just saw a clip from his "rally" yesterday I hadn't heard about before. He calls out some of his enemies, including "Pocohontas" (so racist, but whatever), but then he adds "Bernie! And Bernie, I saw him the other day, and his hair is just getting whiter and whiter!" Or words to that effect.

Seriously? This guy thinks anyone believes his hair, let alone color, is something nature created?

So now they are going with the "progressive elite Nazi's"? That was the latest 4:15am EST talking points sent from Moscow. Right on cue, they are ALL on the same page. Funny how that happens? Can conservatives form any kind of independent thinking and reasoning or do they all need to be spoon fed their words?

Babies in Cages is all theirs. Nazis are 'good people' is all theirs.

We kind of like eco-terrorists and snowflakes (that start avalanches).

Exactly, r429. They are putting foreign children (racially impure, in their view) in detention camps, and yet people who object and protest that disgusting shit are "nazis"

It's all theirs; perfect soundbites for the coming election cycle. They're only trying to convinced the die hard racists? I think they're trying to appeal to the fence sitting independents with a few screws loose.

What they're trying to do is engage the Dems in some patriotic debate to distract from their distractions, evasions and treasons. It's not working. No one has yet forgotten Charlottesville.

And "No IQ Donald" has the nerve to call Ms. Waters "Low IQ Maxine?" Give me a frigging break.

Throw the traitor out of our White House already.

I love how Avenatti just stares McCain's Crotch Fruit down and just continues on, not letting her do that shit she always does and basically tells her he's the one in charge and of course she backed down.

I saw some dips hit on Twitter with an avatar that read: Proud to be everything liberals hate.

You can't do anything with bigoted Foulness that entrenched. These people are proud to horrible wastes of oxygen.

They think they get us worked up. I laugh at them. When I see their pathetic attempts at trolling liberals on social media, I get a kick out of it.

in 1925, more than 30,000 Ku Klux Klansmen marched down Pennsylvania Ave in Washington, D.C. Woodrow Wilson was openly racist and brought D.W. Griffith to the White House to screen Birth of a Nation. Every president up to and including Truman was racist and didn't hide it and lynching was a national past time in most Southern states. And to be clear, the Klan wasn't only against Blacks. They hated Catholics and Jews with equal fervor. The only thing different today is the internet. It's easier to find one another...and it's easier for us to find and identify them. Do a liittle research. It gives a perspective. I refuse to allow these animals to scare me. Remember what FDR said: The only thing we have to fear, is Fear itself. Word.

Sarah Suckabee is still whining about the correspondents dinner?

Were they unfamiliar with the concept?

Yesterday’s appearance by Chris Wray, Dan Coats, Bolton, etc was very, very strange.

Any one of them speaking out would have been strong. Having all of them speak was meant to send some unmistakable messages.

1. They’ve obviously seen some scary shit coming from Russia and the want to alert the public (“WE aren’t ignoring this.”)

2. They fear Trump is compromised, but they also fear Trump. (If just one had spoken out - a la Dan Coats - there’d be rumors of a firing today. Trump won’t threaten all five.). They collectively want to be a clear counterpoint to his “hoax” claims.

3. They tried to invoke Trump’s name in support and did it from the WHITE HOUSE podium. They want to signal “official” resolve.

4. Most important to me - they did it while Trunp was away. They are sending a message to Moscow that, regardless of what the Dotard says or does now - there will come a time that he will be irrelevant- but all our agencies have our eyes on you. (They are implicitly suggesting that Trump may become otherwise engaged, and when that happens, sanctions will be the least of Putin's worries.)

The “deep state” is stirring.

Lindsey has done an interview today with Sean Hannity per Lindsey's take-charge campaign to confirm Brett Kavanaugh.

Lindsey is on Fox almost daily.

"I do declare, if my closeted ass ain't going to have rights, y'all muffins ain't having them either."

So are they snowflakes or are they nazis?

R442 Both. The RW are the biggest snowflakes out there. They can't stand when everything doesn't go their way.

And, of course, they are Nazi's usually self declared.

[quote]So are they snowflakes or are they nazis?

Both. But more than anything, they are traitors.

Of course not everyone who goes to a trump rally identifies as a white supremacist or american Nazi.

But pretty much every white supremacist and Nazi- identifier wants to go to those rallies, and "likes" all the likes of the likes of the worst shit in support of the moron

r437, 1915 not 1925.

r432 Thanks for the link. I rarely watch The View. But good grief - is there something wrong with Meagan McCain? She comes off as being a little nutty. Every ounce of her being is arrogant! She actually sat there the whole time thinking her questions were going to nail him. Is she always superior and know it all? She's screwy.

I was saying that dems can’t be both snowflakes and nazis.

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BREAKING: Accused Spy Allegedly Said she was a Middleman Between Trump’s Campaign and the Kremlin

CNN has reported that sources familiar with Butina at the American University in Washington D.C., which she attended, now claim that Butina spoke freely to her classmates about her ties to the Russian government. According to one source, Butina said that she was a middleman or liaison between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

Additionally, sources are now claiming that Butina got drunk at least a couple of times and opened up to classmates regarding her close ties to the Russian government, going as far as admitting to them that the Russian Intelligence Service (the Russian version of America’s CIA) was involved in her gun rights group. Classmates were so disturbed by her claims that they reported them to law enforcement.

DId anyone hear Marketplace today with the trade secretary? They have no clue what they are doing. It was jaw dropping.

[quote]I was saying that dems can’t be both snowflakes and nazis.

The crazy far right seems to think they can

The rethugs aren't even hiding it anymore. This is disgraceful.

There were 3 kids behind him at a rally recently, one with long blond hair and a ribbon, and a pale boy with a MAGA hat, and a third girl. They looked like VILLAGE OF THE Damned.

Yeah, R456, they were genuinely creepy.

More information coming out.

Well, if you're going to think that way R455, then we might get Barron in a room and gather around him and tell him to wish it in the cornfield Barron! Wish it in the cornfield!

Hitler shared Hillary's love of a good pantsuit.

R439, the day before, the Tech Experts from private industry testified in public before the Senate Intel committee about the immediate and ongoing threat posed by Russia . Trump administration looked bad. Amidst mounting public pressure, the White House had to be seen to be doing something to get ahead of the mess.

So it is obvious to me that Bill Shine, formerly a Roger Ailes producer and top executive at Fox news, who is currently Trump's communications director, probably pulled them together. (they certainly would not have all decided to get together on their own to do a news conference at the White House Presser. The direction must have come from the WH, but certainly not from Trump who was not part of this at all. And ironically, he keeps contradicting his top security people with his own public version of events.) So they had a Press conference to assure us that they were indeed on top of the Russia interference, and working hard to "do something."

Of course it was weird. It was a seat of the pants White House press event planned in haste, with very little substance behind it. Each of those agencies, especially Wray and Coats who are sincere about this issue, are trying to do something without any guidance or leadership from the WH, and it lacks anything resembling an integrated approach which is what's needed.

The Tech experts in corporate America are pissed because they aren't getting the kind of support and coordination they need and they're doing this on their own sort of like flying a plane without radar. In the end it'll be too little too late.

Putin is mad at his next door neighbor. So Putin is having Rand Paul to visit and cut his grass and dispose of the debris.

bye r460, it's off to ignore land with you!

To the gallows with them all!

Any body here protesting this weekend? Or is it coin slot waxing time again?

I’ve already cut off deplorables from sex and I’m considering extending that to people who aren’t registered to vote.

We gotta do what we can.

[quote]bye [R460], it's off to ignore land with you!

What a bunch of humorless overly triggered twats you've all become.

In all fairness, R460 DID say a GOOD pantsuit.

Kellyanne's husband, Attorney George T. Conway III, appears to be a persistent supporter of the Special Counsel and opposes the challenges to Mueller fulfilling his role.

Meghan McCain has a nasty attitude and somehow remains precisely on talking points even though she’s supposed to be some kind of rogue republican. I don’t get her sourness, she has all the opportunities anyone could ask for.

She’s downright hateful.

I have called and emailed lowlife congressmen and Senators about the border situation yet nothing is done. Our representatives who are Republicans think our request simply don't count. It makes me so sad. I can not demonstrate because of ill health. At this point I am full of hatred for Trump and his evil syncophants.

So what has Falsewell been doing that he’s so blatantly trying to cover up?

Maybe it has something to do with the girl who was arrested. Something tells me Liberty and Christianity are not exactly his strong suits.

Whatever it going on, it stinks to high heaven.

r470, why does she act so defensive when the others criticize and bash Trump? She should HATE Trump for what he has said about her father on numerous occasions, yet she had to make sure she said "He's my president" today, WTF?

keep emailing those fuckers every day you never know who’s reading it. There are probably staffers who resent their evil bosses so hang in there. There are more with you.

1 202 224-3121 congressional switchboard

Or text resist to 50409 to fax for free.

I do not get her at all r473, she is pretty and could be out on a beach somewhere.

I go back and forth between thinking she’s dumb or brainwashed but I don’t get it.

And If she does support him then at least smile about it. Find something positive to say that’s not a pre-programmed talking point.

What’s up with Sucker Carlson. He used to be the frat boy on every campus who got sucked up into some republican lee Atwater garbage book club and we know the rest bla, bla, bla

But now somehow he’s doing high level propaganda for an international cabal I just don’t fucking get where some of these people went off the rails.

Lou “totally insane” Dobbs is another.

Janeen “anything for a check” Shapiro was your ball-busting law analyst and now she’s about a minute from calling for democrat’s executions.

Ann Coulter went from attention seeking loudmouth to full on KKK spokesperson racist.

These people are like freaking zombies.

Watch old clips of these people on YouTube when they were somewhat normal/regular-crazy.

These people have FLIPPED THE SWITCH.

R473 because she actually loves him and agrees with everything he's doing.

Three weeks after Trump possibly told Putin that previously untouched Russian investments were the target of our next election hacking sanctions, the Russians “disinvested” $82 billion in the US.

Coincidentally, the NRF is suddenly on the verge of bankruptcy.

Bill Maher and guests are putting it all out there. Good on them.

[quote] So what has Falsewell been doing that he’s so blatantly trying to cover up?

Maybe it's that the Russians have been propping up and using the evangelical churches in the same way they've been propping up and using the NRA? It would explain the sudden growth over the last couple of decades of the evangalicals political power, especially the megachurches. Oh, the delicious fucking irony if Russia ends up taking down both the NRA and the evangelicals and forcing a schism between the Repugs and the Koch brothers as a bonus.

The Kremlin's super-seductress of middle-aged Republicans, Maria Butina, has been linked directly to the Trump campaign. She had a relationship with J.D. Gordon, a Trump "national security advisor," before the 2016 election. He invited her to a Styx concert. Ick.

That would explain all this church planting and strip mall “churches” with names like Rise.

I wonder where all that money comes from.

Aha!

On a strange note, anyone else notice the weird twins in today's Wilkes Barre rally? Check them out in the lower right. The could be in a scary movie.

R477 Their white rage got triggered! You know to these people, only white people pay taxes and everyone else just live off welfare and only white people can be civilized, and everyone else is just dragging this country down. That's pretty much the gist of their grievance toward this "liberal society" we live in.

What kind of name is Rand anyway?

Can you believe some IDIOT was such a HUGE sucker that they named their CHILD after the author of low-slung propaganda “novel”?

I swear people like Ron Paul must have not read until the end of atlas shrugged.

It’s like they stop half way through and start shaking their fist at liberals.

To r485

LEEEEEAVE USSSSSS ALOOOOOONE

R458 this has been known in NYC circles since the 90s and lots more horribleness about Trump. Why didn't the media cover any of this WAY before the election? So frustrating that we even had to go through this BS - the truth about trump should have been publicized ahead of the election. Did the MSM legitimize him just for ratings? Shameful!

I used to have to deal with the media on a regular basis because I was involved in public policy stuff and worked for an elected official in state government. One thing I learned from watching the media close up,is that it is hard for them to ever admit they got it wrong, and to come back from that limb they get themselves out on.

For years, Trump was portrayed as a "colorful," almost comic celebrity. He was the image of the crass, New York, self made, multi millionaire Queens real estate developer. They never saw him as a dark, menacing bully or an autocrat, much less someone who embraced racist philosophies. They assumed he had some shady dealings, and petty rivalries, but he was part of the vulgar celebrity culture and he got ratings.

There were a whole lot of popular assumptions they created and promoted about Trump. He served his purpose for the media, so why bother to take him seriously and cover him seriously. He was simply a "New York fixture." Look at Rudy. I had to laugh out loud when I read a piece about Rudy "destroying his legacy." Rudy was a terrible mayor and a lot of the corruption and abuse that was rife in the NYPD happened on his watch.

Rudy was always the guy you see now. So was Trump. But once the false narrative was created, the stuff that didn't fit was discarded or ignored, and when Trump explained it away or dismissed it, there was no follow up. Trump was great copy. He was a Tabloid Prince with his wives and his girlfriends and his vulgar tastes, and his bullshit books. So what if he stiffed a few contractors, or filed for bankruptcy a few times.

At every point during his campaign, the media kept saying, or they had surrogates saying, "He doesn't really mean that..." Or "He's going to flame out, he can't win with the way he's conducting this campaign, he'll never make it through the primaries..." or and this is my favorite one, " He's going to pivot..." Remember that word? "Pivot..." LOL! Yeah.

So yes, I blame the media,too, and most of them have yet to own their role in this debacle. Because they were so effective in embracing the image they help Trump create over all these years, that they could not come back from the limb they were out on, the media could not "Pivot" and go after him the way he deserved to be vetted. This was not Pat Paulson the comedian, or Kimmel, or Fallon, or Colbert running a mock political campaign. This was real.

I agree. The media did not do its job. They let him get away with things that no other candidate could. They allowed him to phone in interviews (looking at you The Today Show) to spew a few minutes of the latest garbage and then get off without ever grilling him. On the other hand Hillary never got anywhere near that kind of treatment. Instead, they focused relentlessly on those fucking emails, while ignoring years and years of Trump's sleaze and illegal conduct.

tRump has always been a liar. It would have helped if this has been pointed out before November 2016.

Very good post r490!

Here's a pleasant thought -- who knows whether it will come true in the next three weeks.

[quote]What’s up with Sucker Carlson. He used to be the frat boy on every campus who got sucked up into some republican lee Atwater garbage book club and we know the rest bla, bla, bla.

Rick Wilson once said Carlson is "really, really smart but a total nihilist." Apparently, he doesn't believe a single word he says, he just wants to foment chaos and blow everything up.

[quote]Meghan McCain has a nasty attitude and somehow remains precisely on talking points even though she’s supposed to be some kind of rogue republican.

It's really odd, because she had a radio show before the general election -- it didn't last long because she wasn't very good at it. But she lambasted Trump virtually every single day and got a lot of hate from callers because of it. I can't figure out if she's one of those "get behind whoever the party nominates" types or she's just playing a role that's been assigned to her by ABC. The latter would better explain her sour attitude, I think.

Can the woman smile? Just because she's a Republican who (apparently) supports the president doesn't mean she has to look miserable all the time. For pete's sake girl, your side is winning at the moment! Look like it.

I don't usually ever watch The View but I watched clips from it yesterday because I heard hottie Avenatti was on, and I just couldn't believe how miserable she looked even when she wasn't trying to unsuccessfully trip Avenatti up with her so called "facts."

I realize her dad is dying but damn, she shouldn't be on TV if she's going to always look like that. And now she's been renewed for another year on the show? What the hell is ABC thinking?

Of course White House officials claim they doing something regarding the Russian interference. That way they have covered both outcomes. The Dems landslide winning is Russian made and therefore doesn't count. Republicans keeping all of their seats is "Russia hacking? What hacking? No such thing happened! POTUS was 100% right!".

Their base will believe that, just as they believe anything. They'll just ignore the polls that show Democrats ahead ("the polls are skewed!").

Fuck the base.

So tired of hearing about that base.

How about us? the MAJORITY of the voters in 2016 who did NOT vote for the orange cretin?

Again, fuck the base.

We give them the power to bully us by humoring them. Even paying attention to their flood of lies and distractions keeps us looking away from what they really do (robbing us blind).

Meghan McCain's father is presently dying of brain cancer.

I know there's an argument for plowing through and going on with your life when a loved one is dying, but goddamn girl. Get off the fucking TV.

[quote] So yes, I blame the media,too, and most of them have yet to own their role in this debacle.

Loved your post R490. Media is still giving him and the Republican candidates he is stumping for priceless free press by constantly covering and re-covering his rallies. They never show the true size of the crowds, they never allow the Trumptards to show themselves for the ignorant fools they are by putting them on camera, and they never talk about the Democrat candidates in those districts - all shameful behavior. They just play his "greatest hit" lines over and over again endlessly while tsk tsking, only a few shows even bother to call out his lies. They flock to a man who actively seeks the destruction of the free press like moths to a flame.

I throw up in my mouth every time Joe and Mika go off on Trump these days because I remember my frustration watching them give Trump free on air blow jobs all during the campaign while ignoring or insulting Hillary. They will never own up to their complicity as they assuage their conscience by bringing on Donny Deustch weekly to trash talk their "formerly sane, now dementia-riddled" best friend the Donald.

[quote]Fuuk the Hucks & ban them from ever being near a dog.

And squirrels.

The media doesn't film Trump operatives selecting attendees to sit behind him at these rallies. If you are black and there, be assured you'll be seen by millions on camera. Hand 'em hats and signs, and listen to Stephen Miller present them instructions. Some faces are behind Trump rally after rally.

R479 More about Russer's infiltration of the now broke NRA:

Is the NRA actually broke, or are they just hiding money?

Of course those treasonous fucks are hiding money.

So Wayne LaPierre brought in all these Russian operatives and their money to the NRA on his watch?

Now Ollie North is heading the NRA. We all know how pristine his past has been concerning foreign characters and exchanges.

R490, Don't forget, "After the Inauguration, just watch how Presidential Trump will act!"

BTW, I started a thread last year after the Alt Right/KKK Rally about those celebrities who begged their fans to "give Trump a chance" and "Our country needs to heal!" but the thread never got a response.

Have apologists like Matthew McConaughey and US citizen Nicole Kidman ever spoken about regretting their "I didn't vote for him but he's OUR President now and we must SUPPORT him!" bullshit propaganda back in early 2017?

I have slightly more respect for evil Susan Sarandon for walking back her Trump support after her damaging comments about Hillary in 2016.

R490, bravo!

R491, I stopped watching the Today show, which I used to have on while working from home, because of the free platform they gave him.

For r485, who missed my original post, and because R488 was clever, but didn't post this:

R510, The Today Show is constantly hyping up the "unprecedented" achievements of the Trump Presidency, even to this day. It's like they are Fox News with an NBC dress on. "It's a HISTORIC day as President Trump blah blah blah" almost every day!

CBS is much better at just reporting and not crafting the story to sound like a press piece.

Economist article on Russher's religious right and American evangelicals:

I fear a postponement, invalidation,t or cancelling the elections? The rogue's gallery of officials admitting to Russian Interference made my blood run cold- it felt like they were laying groundwork.. I think that would really fuck with my hope.

Of course, I'd likely get myself killed in the streets protesting. Proudly.

pardon above typos. I am cleaning my glasses now.

The bottom line is Malcolm Nance is right. They are setting it up so that the midterms look illegitimate. Which of course, is fucking bullshit.

GET OUT THE VOTE. Every person reading this, make it your goal to get two people to vote.

The NRA's doing the same money beg as the anti-gay groups claiming they are under attack and need the kind support of their followers to keep them afloat. Paints them as victims of the Liberal Deep State (well, they can't use the fearmongering of Obama taking away people's guns anymore, can they?). People should ask them more often about working with a country that doesn't allow its citizens to carry guns.

r508....LaPierre was...and still is...the CEO and executive VP of the NRA.....he was not President. The President is a figurehead....LaPierre still calls the shots.

[quote] People should ask them more often about working with a country that doesn't allow its citizens to carry guns.

I have to wonder what kind of criminal liability the NRA is going to be facing as part of the "Russher" probe. Whatever their current scam is about having no money, I hope that at the end of all this Mueller and the DOJ leave them bankrupt and penniless. Oh, and Wayne LaPierre in jail would be fantastic as well.

[quote]Of course White House officials claim they doing something regarding the Russian interference. That way they have covered both outcomes. The Dems landslide winning is Russian made and therefore doesn't count.

1) When was interference confirmed?

2) How was it confirmed? How deep was the interference?

3) Why did it take so long - amid vehement denials - to determine interference?

3) How did it affect the 2016 election?

4) If the Dems winning a landslide election suddenly wouldn't count, then by that standard the 2016 election didn't count either.

Points to be made by a responsible journalist at a WH 'press conference' before being denied all future access at any such event.

^ Bullet point numbers repeated, apologies.

[quote] their divisiveness will turn violent at some point.

I wouldn't doubt that this Qanon bullshit has already turned people violent, we just don't know it.

Also, we know that the pizzagate conspiracy bullshit already caused gun violence, and these are all the same people.

R490 Great post! It should be published in the NYT.

Dear Puttie Poop has offered to send me a custom made, genuine ostrich skin covered fainting couch. How could a sophisticated lady resist?

R516 "The bottom line is Malcolm Nance is right. They are setting it up so that the midterms look illegitimate. Which of course, is fucking bullshit."

I want to add to that:

The Repugs are making it so that:

A) If the Dems win, the election WAS hacked by Russia and their GOP candidates should not concede.

B) If the Dems don't win, all is well and our (Trump appointed) IC did a great job in keeping watch.

[quote]Also, we know that the pizzagate conspiracy bullshit already caused gun violence, and these are all the same people.

And where are these gun carrying idiots when it comes to ICE mistreating poor, immigrant kids? Nowhere to be found. But scream Hillary's Emails and Pizzagate and they are all riled up.

It's all about pushing buttons and showing off the Right Wing's "power" how they use their follower to suit their agenda of fear and intimidation. In a movie they would face their demise by either their own pawns or some rogue group of heroes.

They don't care about Mexican children.

They hate them.

Did anybody see Malcolm on Joy Reid's opening panel this morning? There was another panelist who made a great and very chilling point right after Nance spoke. I can't remember her name. I have only ever seen her on Joy. She has long red hair and an always very serious demeanor.

I tried searching for a clip but nothing is on line yet. If anyone else reads this and saw it, could you please list that woman's name? Thanks.

Oh - and of course - you should all watch. I will post myself if I'm able to come across it. Thanks again.

Sarah Kendzior?

R529, here you are:

R531, R%32 Thank you! I just found myself and was about to post. You beat me to it!

I strongly recommend everyone here to watch the segment in it's entirety.

Congressional Republicans refused to provide more money to secure their voting mechanisms for the 2018 midterms.

Mitch McTurtle was at it again. He's the guy that refused to cooperate with Obama about warnings pertaining to Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Hey! What happened to our Nancy Pelosi Hate Troll??????????

Vodka coma?

Excellent, R529/R533. I didn't update new posts before I posted- I second that it was chilling, and others should absolutely watch.

r534, choked on her knockoff pearl replica of Pelosi's necklace.

the states mechanisms....

not their

R532 here. I just realized the segment poster came later in the show. It needs to be seen, however, it was the very first segment I was posting about. Still looking for it. If the poster above finds the first segment, please post for everyone. Thanks again.

This is Nancy MacLean on Real TIme last night. It's also a very important segment and everybody here should see it.

More Sarah Kendzior

While railing about and abusing illegal immigrants, trump is projecting his own sins on others once again. He is an illegal president, and unlike most illegal immigrants, an actual criminal. While immigrants come here from desperation to help their families and their own lives, trump, a wealthy, hateful man, stole the presidency to cheat others while enriching himself. With his vindictive, criminal behavior he is destroying relationships with our allies and enriching his shameless billionaire friends with deregulation, tax cuts, and a total disregard for the well being of Americans, including the lives of his demented base.

Trump is an illegal, fake president, a cancer in the oval office, and a malignant liar beyond anything we've seen before, except, in recent history, Hitler and his cohorts.

[quote] This is Nancy MacLean on Real TIme last night. It's also a very important segment and everybody here should see it.

Yikes, R539!!!! That should be required viewing for every sentient American. Frightening. Spread that as far and wide as you can.

Herei is today's full episode of Morning Joy. Please watch the entire first segment.

Thanks to all of you who've posted these recent links. It's scary stuff and needs to be more widely known. MacClean's words about the Koch brothers long game are chilling and Sara Kendzior is spot on. Love Marcolm Nance. R543's link to today's AM Joy show is also appreciated.

Oh for fuck's sake. I don't know why I am surprised at their shady shit anymore.

Nancy McLean needs to be on more news shows. She comes across like an everyday American rather than the academic she is, and she's good at explaining complex stuff.

I don't watch the View but why is Meghan McCain always defending Piggy after the stuff he's said about her father?

R547 seeing as how she resembles Miss Piggy.... she might feel compelled to defend her own kind.

Meghan McCain is paid to be the conservative, pro-Republican voice on that show. If she came to her senses and opposed Trump she'd leave a vacuum on the show.

r547, she doesn't defend Piggy, but she does defend the Republican congress and especially Lyin' Ryan, who she has implied that she'd fuck him in a nano second.

Rich white cunt likes rich white cunt.

Republican lesbianism.

r547 r 548 Pigs of a fatter pigsty together!

[quote]seeing as how she resembles Miss Piggy....

How dare you insult Miss Piggy

Agree R544 - that piece alone deserves a thread of its own.

At the link below is the Wikipedia entry for The LIberty Amendments book that McLean mentions with a summary listing of the 11 amendments. I will say I agree with #1 and the first part of #3. The rest are scary, especiallu 2, 4 and 9-11.

Note this little tome is by none other than Mark Levin, the far-right "author, radio and TV pundit." Among other idiotic views, he doesn't believe in climate change, evolution and ANY social science discipline, and is big on conspiracy theories.

And meanwhile mainstream news is talking about LeBron James today. They never learn.

The amendments are a Trojan horse for much worse.

#5 - what is wrong with April 15th as the tax deadline?

Hope Hicks meeting with Trump aboard Air Force One. Isn't at witness tampering?

I wonder if she's wired... with or without her knowledge.

Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap, a Democrat who served on President Donald Trump’s voter fraud commission, published a trove of documents Friday that he said show zero signs of mass voter fraud, declaring that the White House’s claims about wide-scale fraud are "false."

"I have reviewed the documents made available to me and they do not contain evidence of widespread voter fraud," Dunlap wrote in a letter that took aim at Trump’s repeated — and baseless — claims that millions of people voted illegally.

Dunlap had sued the government to obtain the records he published Friday, which he said the administration had been hiding.

Imposing Term limits will make politicians even more beholden to moneyed interests.

R560. as opposed to how beholden they are NOW???

r557, this is probably Steve Miller trolling in reference to the Lynch-Clinton meeting.

Wives of WH employees, beware HOPE may be coming back.

Was Hicks granted immunity? The next 20 years could arguably be the best years of her life, unless she spends them in a federal prison.

[quote]Wives of WH employees, beware HOPE may be coming back.

Promise?

May she be best!

If Hope was granted immunity, it would be foolish for her to be fielding Trump's questions, and then re-engage old work that could relate to conspiracy cover-up or further obstruction. If she's wired for the FBI, she's deep into it and could be a critical witness. She already communicated some lies per the Trump Tower meeting with the Russians whereby afterwords Trump wrote fabricated note. She is still dating the guy that was forced out due to a history of domestic abuse. Apparently, she was very good at organizing and keeping Trump on schedule.

Trumpy is getting sloppier. Mueller's noose tightens around his fat neck.

Love that Adlai Stevenson-era guy at R559—he's even wearing a seersucker suit!

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R567 When has Trump ever been not sloppy... he has years of crimes, scandals and misbehavior. But the press turned a blind eyes to them or actively cover them up until they can't avoid it anymore. Compared how the press turned innocuous email into some "scandalous" issue and you can see why the press is an accomplice to this mess, even though they act like victims now.

Keep an eye on the Senate.

I don’t trust that there are 3 repugs with enough backbone to stop the S.C. confirmation.

They are likely to try to do this in the dark of night.

[quote]I don’t trust that there are 3 repugs with enough backbone to stop the S.C. confirmation.

There aren't. In the end they always stick together.

^those old farts can't handle the dark of night. Half would fall asleep, a quarter or them would be in a hotel with a Russian mistress, the other 1/4 would be trolling for cock. And Miss Lindzey would not want to be disturbed with her gentleman caller. Mitch would already have closed his turtle shell.

lovin'

this

thread.

Here is a pic for the next thread

really

enjoyable

thread.

Link to breaking story.

Knock it off, R584.

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out.

Jesus, I can't believe how we're zooming through these threads!

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out

Just over 90 days until Nov. 6. Will the other shoe drop for Trump? Will the Republicans be both publicly and privately compromised? Will the Deplorables have egg on their faces? These questions -- and many others -- will be answered on the next episode of Soap.

He is so jealous of black folks. Lebron is a ten. Trump is a negative ten. His two ugly whore-sons are disgusting abortions.

Will he be sorry when the Blues overtake the Reds in the house?

When he flees to Russia with his family I hope the russian people rise up and do a royal family on them all. Putin can console himself with anal from a siberian husky

I like to think that the invite to Russia to meet is actually Drumpf's escape plan but let's be honest, Daddy Put Put doesn't care enough.

Link to new thread.

WHY ARE THERE 2 THREADS FOR PART 42 ??????

Ease on down to the new thread.

R595 is the link from the OP. R597 is an imposter and not a good one at that. Title's already been used.

New thread at link below.

R597 is the annoying troll who just kept trying to fill this thread up so they could start the new thread and then uses an old thread title. WTF.

New thread linked below.

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