Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40)

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Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/26/18)

How do we keep meeting like this OP? We should get a drink together or something.

Things are getting hot......

Six threads have been filled since Helsinki.

That was last Monday.

Of the 39 threads since October 27, 2017, they have, on average, been filling every 6.97 days.

The quickest was that first one--one day.

The slowest was "A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4"--29 days.

Submitted for the next instalment title: A Treason Grows in Brooklyn

NYT: Mueller looking through Trump's tweets

Thu July 26, 2018

Trump's big mistake was sending Trump Jr. to discuss collusion with the Russians and have it in Trump Tower! He needed to send someone he could easily throw under the bus and take the blame for the "mistake" of taking that meeting, and all the lying and cover up would have been unnecessary. Not that he has any warm fuzzy feeling for Jr., just that he is too egotistic to willingly damage the Trump brand by sending Jr. to prison. Now it's too late, and the USS Trump has struck a big iceberg. I wonder when will this tale of hubris sink in for his cronies and enablers.

R8 - so true. While nothing ever seems to stick to Teflon Trump - I am very happy about the news today. For heaven's sake, arrest this lecherous fuck already.

[quote]While nothing ever seems to stick to Teflon Trump

Why is that anyway?

I submit for the consideration of the DL: In the Garden of Treason / In-A-Gadda-Da-Treason.

He is not Teflon. He is a zombie. He is an animated corpse with unquenchable desires. You cannot kill him, he us already dead. Nothing sticks to him. Only rot drops off of him.

If the Repugs lose big in November, the Repugs can’t remove Trump from office without the Democrats votes in the Senate. So Paul Ryan couldn’t be President.

OP, for your consideration: Treason in the Sun, Treason of the Witch, Mad Treason.

Agreed R13.

If the Democrats win big, for Republicans to get Ryan installed, multiple impeachment proceedings would need to move through the House at breakneck speed in November and early December. The subsequent “trial” in the Senate even more so.

Not only might Senate Democrats be uncooperative; Trump himself might threaten to “slow walk” his defense to put pressure on House Republicans not to proceed.

Since it’s likely they are going to lose the House (and they almost all know Trump is off his rocker), the best result would be for Republicans to move to impeachment immediately after the primaries. Faced with a greater certainty of removal - the House vote would be scheduled for a week after the general election - Trump might seek a “graceful” exit.

Dems would be wise to “compromise” on a temporary Pence presidency. At least initially.

Crazy war talk would ratchet down, for starters. And, while we would get an awful President who’s been playing footsie with Putin, that’s far, far better than a demented one chained in Putin’s basement.

[quote]Trump might seek a “graceful” exit.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

R16 is right.

Trump won't agree to go anywhere.

He will stay put till the end.

I have a dream, that shortly after he is Teddy Kennnedied at the 2020 Republican Convention, the Secret Service does a duty above and beyond The Constitution.

I wonder what Obama told Bernie in that long White House conversation. Bernie finally conceded after that point.

No he didn't, r19. He stayed in until the last primary, iirc.

And never forget that Bernie hacked Hillary's donor lists.

This is why only Democrats should run as Democrats.

R21 I believe the Democrats put in place that only a candidate that’s been a Democrat for at least two years can run as a Democrat. No more carpetbagger candidates like Bernie.

Yeah, the whole Bernie's team hacked Hillary's campaign files should be way bigger news now with the official knowledge that Russians hacked the 2016 election and Bernie's campaign manager was Paul Manafort's business partner. Bernie was a Russian tool handled by a Russian operative.,Tad Devine, to make it look like Hillary lost, because Sanders managed to lure enough votes away from her (when it was the Russian hacking that did the job).

The depiction is fabulous, OP.

Rudy Giuliani & Kellyanne Conway.

STOP It, ALREADY!

GIULIANI: (Deeming Cohen a multiple liar) “... it’s like we have to choose which lie of his to believe, lie number one, lie number two, lie number three...”

Trump just 10 mins ago:

"Arrived back in Washington last night from a very emotional reopening of a major U.S. Steel plant in Granite City, Illinois, only to be greeted with the ridiculous news that the highly conflicted Robert Mueller and his gang of 13 Angry Democrats obviously cannot find Collusion..."

I think there's supposed to be a part II but it obviously takes awhile for the Orange One to compose his thoughts.

R27...

The Hill:

JUST IN: Avenatti claims three more women were paid hush money by Trump, Cohen

Part II of Donald's rant:

....,the only Collusion with Russia was with the Democrats, so now they are looking at my Tweets (along with 53 million other people) - the rigged Witch Hunt continues! How stupid and unfair to our Country....And so the Fake News doesn’t waste my time with dumb questions, NO,....

HuffPo:

Sources say Kimberly Guilfoyle engaged in emotionally abusive behavior and showed Fox News colleagues personal photos of male genitalia.

[quote]Kimberly Guilfoyle ... showed Fox News colleagues personal photos of male genitalia.

Don Jr.'s?

Don't be ridiculous r32.

Don Jr. has no genitalia.

[quote] Don Jr.’s?

And finally, Donald part III:

.....I did NOT know of the meeting with my son, Don jr. Sounds to me like someone is trying to make up stories in order to get himself out of an unrelated jam (Taxi cabs maybe?). He even retained Bill and Crooked Hillary’s lawyer. Gee, I wonder if they helped him make the choice!

"Taxi cab"? Who the fuck says "taxi cab"?

[quote]the only Collusion with Russia was with the Democrats

That's odd to read, because last week in Helsinki your BFF Vlad agreed he wanted you to win, and worked towards that victory.

The fact that this agreement was erased from the 'official' WH tape and transcript doesn't mean it wasn't said. It can't ever be unsaid. It's in the whole world's head forever.

[quote]I did NOT know of the meeting with my son, Don jr.

Even if that's remotely true, you would have known about it at some stage later. So the fact that you now concede such a meeting occurred - hardly an isolated case - provides good ground for strongly suspecting Republican collusion with Russia.

Fuck Rudy and Fuck Donald.

That is all.

Is there a connection between Kimberly G's misdeeds—was she emotionally abusing fellow Fox employees *by* showing them "personal photos of male genitalia"?

Could they be photos of Gavin's junk from back in the day with which she tormented her colleagues?

Kimberly G? Fox? Gavin?

This is a Mueller treason thread, not the National Inquirer.

Lol r6

Op, yellow is the perfect color for our cowardice potus

Fascinating that tRump has decorated White House offices in gold...not to mention that it grossly clashes with that mess of hair on top of its head.

Have we talked much yet about the BIG development of Trump's CFO being subpoenaed?

Three of the closest of Twitter Twat's flunkies, his CFO, his lawyer/fixer, and his campaign manager, all in a place to rat out Trump.

OK. I need to see if I have this right: So Michael Cohen obviously knows a lot about Trump and the campaign and the Russians. I mean he was there. So can I assume that Mueller didn't have enough to bring charges against him in the Russia investigation, but the U.S.Attorney for the SDNY can get a conviction for all his larcenous ways, crimes exclusively his, in NY?

But Cohen wants to make a deal to be a material witness in the Russia investigation. So his lawyers are attempting to negotiate with Mueller? He claims he has pertinent information. (I believe him.) But his information has to be corroborated by other means. And at this point, by someone from the Trump side leaking the information, it weakens Cohen's bargaining power with Mueller. So Trump is clearly worried about Cohen. Going after Cohen the way they did was a clear attempt to rattle Trump and his whole organization, and to squeeze Cohen to nail them. So Rudy (of all people) paints him as a lying liar who lies. Discredit him.

I think eventually Cohen is going to sing like a bird and Mueller will have his corroboration. The point is, Trump and his family have believed for years, decades, that they can do anything they want and get away with it. Everyone is for sale, like Bondi the Florida AG. They are an incredibly arrogant bunch of people. They're also careless. They talk. They get overheard by "peons", all those invisible people who fetch and carry for them. You have to believe there are informants all over the place willing to sell information and leak shit to the media, and the media then gets confirmation and publishes! So yeah, maybe Cohen lost a bargaining chip by Trump's people leaking this, but IMO, Cohen has a lot of chips to cash in.

What I find puzzling is why would Trump damage himself, by leaking something ike this? It doesn't make sense. I get the part about them wanting to discredit Cohen. Fine. But why splash shit on yourself as you dump on him? That's the part that makes no sense. So I'm wondering if someone else leaked it? Someone who either isn't that bright and wanted to "help" or someone who knew something and couldn't resist talking about it.

So with confirmation of the Trump Tower meeting, Cohen is really flipping, right?

So does Kimberly shower Junior with her golden drops of luv while Hannity watches?

I'm loving the Trump Putin fanart

NBCNews:

JUST IN: 2 days after US pushes date for a second Trump-Putin summit, President Putin says he is ready for another meeting with President Trump, as phone conversations are not sufficient, and has extended an invite for President Trump to visit Moscow

(So Putin is snubbing Trump's White House invite and instead summoning the Orange One to Moscow.)

NBC's Peter Alexander --

THEN & NOW: Giuliani on Michael Cohen:

MAY 2018: "The man is an honest, honorable lawyer."

LAST NIGHT: "He's been lying for years... he's lied all his life."

OP, r41 "I am Treasonous (Yellow) -- (The Mueller Investigation Part XX)" very few film references escape ALL of DL.

Ugh, I can hear That Yellow Bastards on the news. Sounds like a bunch of lies.

Putin is a master. Remember why the CNN pool reporter was banned. She was asking about Russia.

The White House has in effect shut down its press operation because it’s taking on water already, and new questions will hasten the demise of the last shred of credibility the Republicans have. The ship is sinking.

[quote]He even retained Bill and Crooked Hillary’s lawyer. Gee, I wonder if they helped him make the choice!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, what a tangled web we weave..... Good catch R53. I'd forgotten.

R6 and R14 those are all already in the queue, thanks!

The Kimberly Guilfoyle story is written by Yashar Ali, who has the perfect set of circumstances with which to cover this beat. HuffPost can fund any necessary defense litigation that comes of Guilfoyle’s threats, and Ali—who is fantastically rich himself—can file a countersuit.

The best thing about the story is how closely involved DJT Jr is to the plot. His dick has already made an appearance. How embarrassing for the first family.

I heard the bloated bastard's new conference where he was crowing about the good GDP and other economic numbers. I wouldn't be surprised to find out in a few weeks that they've had to revise the numbers up or down and things don't look so rosy. This WH is like the Kremlin. They make stuff up to fit the narrative of the day. And here, on the morning that everyone was talking about Cohen's claim that Cheatolini knew about the Trump Tower meeting, boom, he changes the subject.

I despise listening to him for many reasons. And one of them is how everything that he does is the best, the most, the whatever superlative he can find. Disgusting pig.

Grooming Don Jr. as heir apparent to be Pres by the Putty Poops must be frustrating to them. They know he's a nitwit.

Bill Shine his new communications director courtesy of Sean Hannity and Fox News, is getting a lot of flack on twitter for previous sins. They are calling for his ouster! So We are pushing back on all fronts at every level. We need to just keep disrupting!!! Yeah!

I hope the media goes after Hannity and exposes more of his nefarious schemes and connections to Trump via Cohen and various real estate schemes.

r57, that's why I didn't bother to watch it; I can't stand tRump's voice and his constant boasting, and I knew I could pick up the highlights on the news later.

Pence today at news presentation about economic indicators, again stared at Trump as if he was watching his favorite porn flick.

That post at R34 must be Stephen Miller.

[quote]Pence today at news presentation about economic indicators, again stared at Trump as if he was watching his favorite porn flick.

You rang?

And thanks again OP for another great thread!!!

It still makes absolutely no sense of Trump’s team to do the leak if it implicates Donnie Jr.

Someone reason me out of thinking Vanessa Trump leaked about Don Jr's meeting? At least one party would publicly blame her, correct?

The "leak" is that Cohen is willing to assert that Trump knew about Jr.'s meeting with the Russians in advance. How would Vanessa know the current state of Cohen's mind?

I read somewhere that the rosy GDP is a one-off because companies are trying to get stuff done before tariffs have an effect.

I made a screenshot of Trump just after he heard Kaitlan Collins' question about whether he is worried that Cohen might talk to SC Mueller and he is PISSED. He looks like a bulldog (no offense to the bulldogs).

No wonder they ejected her from the following press conference.

Maybe Cohen or his lawyer leaked it. That’s the simplest answer.

Did you see the footage of Trump walking into the Kremlin Annex last night? He looked exhausted, defeated and angry. His shoulders sagged. The press shouted questions and he didn’t respond. He looked like he knew it was over. First time I’ve seen that. Shortly after, they announced the leak about Cohen.

Meanwhile, the daily demonstrations at the Kremlin Annex continue. A couple nights ago it was dancing sharks for Shark Week. They said Trump made Stormy watch Shark Week, apparently he’s a fan. One shark carried a sign, “We don’t bite but Mueller does.”

Can you imagine his life right now? Like Hitler, he survives one more day by surrounding himself with synchopants and their lies.

[quote]And one of them is how everything that he does is the best, the most, the whatever superlative he can find.

And everything his opponents do is horrible, the worst ever, or a disaster.

Is this thread title referring to the pee tape?

[quote]Maybe Cohen or his lawyer leaked it. That’s the simplest answer.

Drumpf leaking it is just as simple of an answer. They have a pattern of doing it, regardless if it makes him bad or implicates his children (because he doesn't really care about his children).

And to that argument you also don't know if the "leak" has any merit to it. They could have easily "leaked" it because it's completely false and they want to make Cohen look like a liar because something bigger is about to come out.

Because again.. that is what Drumpf does.

Or crooked, r71.....or little.....or......

Every time he or any of the Deplorables bring up Hillary we should remind them that they have Hillary Clinton Derangement Syndrome.

[quote] They could have easily "leaked" it because it's completely false and they want to make Cohen look like a liar because something bigger is about to come out.

While I see your point, if it is not true, Lanny Davis would have been on every talk show this morning disputing the accuracy of the reporting. No, I suspect that it is true. I've assumed that he knew from the get-go. Playing these kind of dirty games is right up his alley. It is much easier to do shit like this than to actually know and understand complicated policy matters (the way Hillary does).

R76 unless he's got a gag order and he's not allowed to talk about or address any of the specifics.

All I know is everyone involved with Drumpf is a known liar so you never know what's what.

[quote]gag order

That's cute, r77.

Look. it is very plausible that Cohen was in the room when Donnie Jr. and maybe one or two others were around. Donnie told Dad the Russians are coming in today , etc. For all we know Trump himself could have started the ball rolling because he is very close to the Russian Oligarch and his son the rock star going back at least prior to 2013 Beauty Pageant in Moscow.

So let's say word was passed to Trump through the oligarchs or agents or whomever about getting dirt on Hillary, , and maybe Manafort tells him you can't be involved. So Donnie Jr. is deputized to handle it since a trusted family member needed to be there so as not to slight the Russians. Come on. We can all imagine how it went down.

I never believed for a moment Trump himself was not involved. Of course he was involved! Hell, he probably suggested the fucking meeting himself, after gossiping about it with his Russian buddies. Lanny was pretty shrewd. He said this leak didn't come from his guy. Period. He didn't deny it, he just made sure it wasn't attributed to them.

Now, IMO all these little games Trump & Rudy are playing are comedy. Do they really believe they can out maneuver the FBI and Mueller's team? Out smart them? cover shit up? IMO I believe someone leaked it because they discovered something to leak. Maybe it was screwball Sam Nunberg or Roger Stone. WTF knows. The rogues gallery of assholes who could have known or assumed it and leaked it is a list longer than a roll of toilet paper.

MSNBC’s Donny Deutsch said President Trump’s former attorney Michael Cohen told him several months ago that Trump knew “everything” going on during his 2016 campaign, including about his son’s meeting with Russians inside Trump Tower.

A panel on Friday’s “Morning Joe” was discussing a new report that Cohen says Trump had prior knowledge of the June 2016 meeting among Donald Trump Jr., campaign officials and a Russian lawyer whom they'd been told could offer dirt on then-Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton.

"In my past conversation with Michael, what he’s made very clear to me is ... nothing went on in this business without Don knowing about it, and he led me to believe that he could bring Trump back to Russia,” Deutsch said.

Really hope he has tapes and documentation of the collusion. Otherwise, it's just one sleazy lawyer's testimony, albeit under oath.

Comments from John Dean.

Supports the view that Trump did the leak as a pre-emptive measure to attack Cohen's credibility as Cohen may be cooperating with Mueller.

I absolutely believe this. In fact, I believe it was Trump's idea. I bet his Russian buddies told him they had sources close to Putin ( actually it was Putin and the GRU but Trump may not have known those technicalities.) But let's say Trump's Russian buddies tell him they know people "very close to Putin's former KGB guys who can probably help find out dirt on the Clintons, both Hillary and Bill. " Maybe even suggesting dirt about Hillary from when she was Secretary of State.

The Russian buddies tell Trump to hook them up with his campaign people to make sure this is done very secretly and discreetly with people he can trust. So Trump gets Manafort and Donnie jr. together and tells them to handle it, then Trump prods them "Did you contact the Russians? When's the meeting. I want you to meet with them." So, yeah, Cohen is right. Nothing happens in TrumpWorld without Trump knowing.

This morning I am wondering if @JohnWDean and @MichaelCohen212 follow each other on Twitter. Mr. Dean appears to be "I Gotta Get a Message to You" about Mr. Cohen. I bet Mr. Dean would make time for Mr. Cohen if petitioned for an appointment, and I bet he wouldn't even bill for the consultation!

^what??

for r85

John W. Dean, in ancient history, served as White House Counsel under President Richard W. Nixon and can testify to the enormous toll that lying, deflecting, hiding and obstructing took on him and his colleagues following the 1972 Watergate break-in. A few months after Nixon fired him, in 1973, Dean testified before the Senate and became the first member of the Nixon administration to directly implicate the president in the cover-up. After serving four months for conspiracy to obstruct justice, Dean became an investment banker, lecturer and author.

Michael Cohen served as a RNC deputy finance chair and an American attorney who worked as a lawyer for Donald Trump and boasted his occupation as "Donald Trump's personal lawyer." Cohen was terminated as Trump's lawyer in May 2018.

It kinda makes sense now that Don Jr.'s ex-wife has taken a criminal lawyer for her divorce, instead of just a divorce lawyer.

There is no doublt, NO DOUBT, Cheeto not only knew everything about the meeting, he personally approved it and stayed on top of the events.

Junior made calls to a blocked number both before and after the meeting. Cheeto was also at that time a floor away in Trump Tower. The very same day after the meeting Manafort had a luncheon event together with Cheeto. The Agilarovs who arranged the meeting are close business partners of Cheeto in Russia. Etc. etc. Mueller has no doubt already interviewed Hope Hicks and other usual suspects about this. Manafort may decide to finally sing, and that would be the final nail.

I love the people who are still standing outside the "Kremlin annex" playing music and holding the treason signs.

I so want to go there with my "tick tock motherfuckers" sign.

[quote]But I'm going to visit my brother

You could always wave your "tick tock motherfuckers" sign at your brother.

I almost wish Putin would visit just so we could see MASSIVE protests across the country. I was going to buy a ticket to DC (I live in New England).

[quote]I made a screenshot of Trump just after he heard Kaitlan Collins' question about whether he is worried that Cohen might talk to SC Mueller and he is PISSED. He looks like a bulldog (no offense to the bulldogs).

To add to R69, and to quote the great P G Wodehouse, he looks like a bulldog who just swallowed a wasp.

The insect, not a white anglo-saxon Protestant. Not the least of Trump's profoundly disturbed pathology is his yearning somehow to come out ahead of the WASPs who rightly always disdained him.

Astonishing that Trump cared enough to go with treason and collusion with Vladimir Putin - to 'win.' Well, Florence Foster Jenkins thought she could sing.

^ this. I still keep coming back to he was never supposed to win, he didn’t WANT to win. But that switched at some point in his reptilian brain, he decided he is enjoying it and can make money in new ways.

I posted in the last thread, and I stand by this prediction strongly, thataa things escalate, Ivanka will break and turn on her father. Because of her children. And I can even see she and Jared bargaining to get reduced sentences to try and keep their family intact.

This narrative arc of bedroom farces, betrayals. cover-ups and lies is even more twisted than "Melrose Place."

Wouldn't this be the second week in a row a leak was attributed to the WH/Kremlin Annex? Last week to divert from the Treason Summit they leaked something and you know what I can't even remember so much shit comes out every week.

Apparently deplorables now turn the Clinton Derangement Syndrome back to us and say we have Trump Derangement Syndrome. The one difference being TDS is a real thing caused by a corrupt, treasonous, unduly elected POTUS.

If something is going to come out anyway, through court filings, why not realease it on your own terms?

R95, tell the deplorables that Trump Derangement Syndrome is unique - to Trump. Symptoms include incoherent blabbering in public settings, unhinged tweeting at 3 am, pathological lying aka "misspeaking", denial of obvious facts, incl. weather, and Russian ass-licking, among many others.

this photo would be far funnier if the man on the left, reading, was in line behind the three gentlemen on the right. . . . . . . . It's Robert Mueller, and Donald Trump Jr flanked by Secret Service personnel.

Wow!!!!!!!! ^^^^. Awkward lololol!!!! I would be burying my face in the paper too!!!

Is that a new pic?

I can't believe that pic. It's too good.

r100 the contributor asserts the pic was taken at DCA this morning, Fri Jul 27 2018.

Holy FUCK. Do you think Don saw him? He must have, yes lolol???

Lol is Jr flying coach?

Mueller . o O (Yeah, I see the little nogoodnik, so what. It's the weekend, no more dot-connection puzzles, time for KenKen!)

Look how he’s dressed. Does anyone in that town take Jr. seriously?

I can't believe Mueller goes out in public so freely!

I think he’s wearing a Cabella’s hat. And he looks FAT. Mueller, meanwhile, looks trim and whip smart, of course.

I want to fuck R.M. but I suspect I’m not alone.

R109, we ALL want to fuck him!!!! He is a HOT HERO.

R109 you have to choose between Mueller and Avenatti.

Why not a threesome? Can you imagine????

Just checking in to note, with serious intent, that every time he tweets or says "No one has been tougher on Russia than me," he is committing a grievous crime against proper usage and grammar.

Plus, it goes without saying, it is a huge lie.

Mueller is "Daddy hero" love.

Avenatti is "Sexy hero" lust.

Only a straight douchebag would wear a polo shirt in that blinding shade of turquoise.

Remarkable though that that the family petulant pout, jowls, and cold piggy eyes, are so instantly identifiable even from so random a shot.

There would be something thrilling about a threesome with Avenatti and Mueller; you’d basically be having sex with heroes who saved a nation. There would be something higher plane about it. Wonderful.

R.M. has a case of BDF. It’s probably obscenely large.

Lest we forget..

From the Hill, Feb:

Former White House chief strategist Stephen Bannon said there was "zero" chance that President Trump was not aware of a controversial 2016 meeting at Trump Tower between one of his sons and a Russian lawyer, according to a new book.

According to MSNBC, which tweeted an excerpt from Michael Wolff's upcoming book, "Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House," Bannon said that it was likely Donald Trump Jr. took lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya and others up to his father's office during the meeting.

"The chance that Don. Jr did not walk these Jumos up to his father's office on the 26th floor is zero," the excerpt reads.

about 100 days left until the election.

All this talk about John Dean makes me think that Jared will flip.

Manafort won't, he is more afraid of the mob than Mueller, he'll go to country club prison and be glad of it. Jared was sitting in the background of all those meetings at the Trump Tower. Ivanka was swanning around town taking selfies and meetings about pirating shoe designs and not paying jewelry suppliers. Jared was there every day, listening but not saying much until everyone had left except for the Golden Don.

But if Jared is being honest about how traumatic his father's trial and prison sentence was, he'll do anything to avoid inflicting that upon his own kids. Ivanka is too close to her father, she can't imagine him going down but Jared has a tiny bit more perspective. He knows Trump will thrown anyone under the bus and he's already come close to it a few times with Jared. Don Jr will forever be looking for daddy's approval but Jared didn't grow up in that family dynamic. He's not that smart but he must have a bit of awareness, especially now that Fred Trump's guy is talking to Mueller. I say, he'll be the next one to flip.

Exactly r121, that’s a great psychoanalysis of Jared, I’m the one who is predicting Ivanka will turn to save her family. I agree, I think Jared will influence her because of what he went through with his father.

And what would be a big card for Ivsnka to play? Her revealing what dad and Jr told her about the TT meeting. There it is.

Have the trolls returned? It looks like all our posts are FF lolol...

R122, they'll be there until the bitter end. Those two will just take the kids on an extra long vacation.

Oh she was doin' much more than that, r121.

[quote]I almost wish Putin would visit just so we could see MASSIVE protests across the country

That's precisely why Putin doesn't want to haul ass transatlantic. It's also a top dog play to summon his lackey Cheeto in.

So Nunes, Jordan, Gohmert, and Meadows are over at the WH being nurse maidens? Not for Barron though.

This guy seems like a real peach.....

out and out racist...how charming

This is why Lee needed to hang.

New from Vanity Fair:

Cohen and his lawyer Lanny Davis were surprised to learn that Cohen’s alleged knowledge of Trump’s involvement with the Russia meeting would be splashed out on CNN’s chyron, and then across the cable-news and social-media landscape. According to people familiar with their thinking, they were frustrated that one of Cohen’s most valuable potential pieces of information had now been publicized, perhaps nullifying a presumable bargaining chip with investigators. “Fury! Fury is what we felt,” one person familiar with Cohen’s thinking told me.

Cohen, who once told me he would take a bullet for Trump, has lately developed a more adversarial view of his former boss. As I’ve recently reported, he has become upset by what he believes is an attempt—led by Don Jr., Kushner, and Giuliani—to discredit him, distance him from Trump, and turn his life upside down. Now the bond between Trump and Cohen appears to be irrevocably torn asunder. And as he watches Trump’s surrogates attempt to assail his credibility, there is a sense that Cohen is ready to torch his old boss. “Maybe Cohen is going to be the thing that’s going to pull this whole thing apart and unravel the myth behind the man,” one person familiar with Cohen’s thinking told me. “Maybe he is the next John Dean.”

The List of Potential Witnesses for the Prosecution: USA v. Manafort, Trial Date: July 31 2018

Tad Devine and Richard Gates among them.

Fabooooo!!!!!!

And don’t forget Putin doesn’t want to be bugged. If he’s in Moscow he can say what he wants but he’ll have Piggy bugged.

Pundit spec on MSNBC: the Cohen leak unlikely to have come via ppl currently in WH positions. So, top suspect is, wait for it, Ghouliani.

Brutus is outsde. Just ate Lock gate if you have not already. Ashley at Toyota called back. One pre-Tundra $13,000. Short bed. Said she will keep looking.

I have a feeling Rudy is not the most popular guy over at the DoJ. I bet he wants Sessions' job, too.

^ignore, jumped script. Don't know how that happened from another app. Pardon

137 per 135

What kind of dog is Brutus.

Is "Ashley at Toyota" code for Kellyanne?

I think “short bed” is code for Kim Jong-Un.

CNN reporting police are investigating a suspicious package at Trump Tower NY.

Now he is using 9-11 to stoke up his fear of immigrants and his worship of ICE. Although I doubt he will note that most of the people were from Saudi Arabia who he has never included in his ban. He has been doing a lot of deflecting lately.

^^^Trump on ICE^^^

Are your pets chipped? Mine are.

Maybe Piggy was chipped in Helsinki.

And I love The Treason Caucus.

Brutus is a cat. Popeye is the French Bulldog and we all meet on the WH lawn at midnight...

I still don't get how a white Kalamazoo, MI doctor born in Poland and immigrated to the US at age eight is regarded to have committed crimes serious enough to detain him 25 years after they were committed, were misdemeanours in the state and at the time they were committed. Maybe it's one of those things only Sec. Nielsen and Dotard understand.

ICE was created fifteen years ago: what was the United States prior to 2003, if not a country?

Oh my poor brain... too inflexible to follow the "pretzel logic" of wackadoo White House.

Just watched a clip from today's The View. Wow., McCain's Crotch Fruit is really something else. Still trying to cast a shadow of doubt over Cohen and then goes on to say that she continues to call Hillary, "Crooked Hillary, because I hate her and she is a crook... and that's a fact." Meanwhile, she has no problem with Dotard's lying.

Thank you. Now I have a reason to communicate with her. I'll send her the definition of the word "fact"

R148 She should be fired. She is a POS who has no problem supporting treason as long as she got the SC she wanted.

Link to her comments about HRC. Look at how giddy she gets over Drumpf's name calling. Bitch, this is the same fucking man who said your father was not a hero and you get wet over him calling other people names.

Here's a good title.

Whoa, wtf. McCain said this?

[quote]"Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly?" he told a handful of big Republican funders. "Because Janet Reno is her father." -John McCain

yes r153, do try to keep up.

Sure, R154, as soon as you update your responses.

R154 's contributions to these threads are dubious.

Please tell me they were getting on same plane and that a few minutes after takeoff, RM walks from his seat in first class to the basic economy section and tells Jr he has until the plane lands to sing or else he’ll be in cuffs on the tarmac.

Why doesn't Jr. get to fly private?

Brutus is a Rottweiler, Ashley is a regional rep, and the guy is looking for a long-term pickup.

Nope, no Kellyanne, no Kim from DRNK or Kentucky, no WH lawn but access to horse stables and pasture.

But I do know the real Miss Lindsey. Does that count?

Thank you OP and actually, thank everyone for posting. These threads are great.

Pooooor baby.......

President Snowflake in action.

I get nervous seeing Mueller out in the open with no protection. He needs Secret Service protection.

What would you say to Mueller if you saw him out and about?

I don't suppose "Hiya Toots!" would be appropriate.

"Please save us! If you find out votes were changes and they attacked us, bring all the ones complicit to justice!"

Rick Wilson just eviscerated that buffoon Steve Cortes on AC360.

R166 damn I missed it

[quote]Yashar Ali, who has the perfect set of circumstances with which to cover this beat. HuffPost can fund any necessary defense litigation that comes of Guilfoyle’s threats, and Ali—who is fantastically rich himself—can file a countersuit.

Plus, you know, having been Gavin Newsom's chief of staff.

[quote]What would you say to Mueller if you saw him out and about?

"Bless you, sir! Thank you for your service!"

I’d say, “Arrest Jr. now since you’re both at the airport. Saves time.”

Imagine what Clinton went through. He had a hyper-partisan SP after him with unlimited range. Starr went after everything. The Clinton's were, of course, accused of everything under the sun. Even after millions and millions of dollars, a hyper-partisan with unlimited range going after you, and Starr came up with NOTHING except lying about a BJ. That should have shown everyone the Clinton's were not crooked or criminal that even Starr couldn't get anything on him.

Dumpster has a Republican looking into him. Fingers crossed Mueller doesn't try to protect the Repug party to an extent and goes after it all if the evidence leads him there.

Here’s the thing about Gilliani leaking it. If that’s the case, then Bernstein sat there and watched while G was both leaker and denier.

I don’t think Bernstein would go along with that.

Unless it was done through a third party, with G permission. That would give Bernstein at least some cover.

R152 That was pretty good. I suggest you re-post it to remind OP when we get to the 500s.

R174 that's another that's been on the list, thanks.

[quote] I get nervous seeing Mueller out in the open with no protection. He needs Secret Service protection.

He has FBI protection, just as he did when he was the Director.

I just opened up my Kindle Fire and as it lit up I saw a picture of the White House and in big letters, "The President is Missing." I got excited for a second, wondering if he fled to Russia or something. Then I realized it was an ad for a new book by James Patterson and Bill Clinton. Now I'm horribly disappointed. :-(

If Trump makes it to January 2021, I look forward to the new Democratic president taking the oath at which point the Secret Service turns and takes Trump and his entire criminal family into custody. They can handcuff them right there on the dais. Maybe Don Jr. or Ivanka will try to make a break for it and have to be taken down by snipers.

Was Georgia's election system hacked in 2016 ??

[quote]Robert Mueller’s latest indictments raise new questions about the integrity of Georgia’s voting infrastructure. Why is the state stonewalling?

It can't be said often enough - The Treason Caucus

Somebody needs to get to the bottom of what happened in GA. It stinks to high heaven.

R172, you need to read one of those detailed profiles of Mueller. He will not protect the treasonous Repugs to any extent. He is an honourable man.

GA should be investigated not just for the 2016 election.

Georgia is crooked and the Secretary of State who oversaw the crooked elections and wiped the servers before they could be investigated, is a Trump man through and through. He's a fucking lunatic. Now, he has Trump's endorsement in the governor's race, and he is running against a former member of the state legislature who happens to be an African American woman, who Bernie campaigned for and endorsed. She is absolutely got the credentials She is an experienced Legislator, she is a lawyer, and I don't think Georgia will elect an African American Woman as governor. Kemp is a buffoon. He is a corrupt asshole. He has no competencies.

That’s got to be the first time Bernie’s endorsed a woman who didn’t first endorse him, R184, since he’s currently campaigning on behalf of a middle-of-the-road White man instead of his opponent, a kickass progressive Native American lesbian. And all because - just like homophobe Tulsi - the white man previously kissed Saint Bernard’s ring with an endorsement in 2016.

R178: That little fantasy might just be good enough to make it worth letting Trump stay in office until then. :P

No, R186, the thought of him making it to 2021 is terrible to think of. Look at the horror he has already imposed. He has ripped kids away from their families and now they say more than 700 (that they admit to) will never see their parents again. He's created a climate that allows race hatred to flourish. He's fouled our environment, he's imposed unfair ta burdens on us. He has destroyed our healthcare system, so that it is costlier and harder to get. He's destroying our public education system, and the level of corruption in his administration is breath taking. And he's done it all in plain sight. The GOP leadership in Congress is completely impotent. They have simply walked away. They have no credibility. Completely subservient to him, even though the Constitution allows them to curb him.

Putin figured out how to weaponize democracy.

$85B will buy a thug dictator anything.

Except with $anction$ in place

I actually miss Ronald Reagan. He hated communists.

But Ronald Reagan loved the rich.

R172, The plural of Clinton is Clintons.

Bill and Hillary are Clintons.

Apostrophes are not used to make a name plural.

[quote] you need to read one of those detailed profiles of Mueller. He will not protect the treasonous Repugs to any extent. He is an honourable man.

R182 is correct. Mueller is not about to do anything to protect lawbreakers in the Rethug party. His loyalty is to his country and to the law. Plus, he is a Republican in a way that doesn't really exist any longer. In the middle of the 20th century a lot of upper-class people in the NY, NJ, PA, and New England region were Republicans. It was possible back then to be a Repub and not be batshit crazy. No so much today. And I don't fault Mueller for leaving his party affiliation as Repub. Hell, if he did anything to change that to, say Independent, the Rethugs in Congress would call for his head.

But will Mueller indict? He is all about precedent apparently.. all the talking heads say he wouldn't indict.

[quote] But will Mueller indict? He is all about precedent apparently.. all the talking heads say he wouldn't indict.

In about 100 days that will become an academic question. I'm quite sure that Jerry Nadler, who will become the Chair of the House Committee on the Judiciary in the new 116th Congress when Dems take over, will be more than happy to hold hearings on Bob Mueller's report, and draw up articles of impeachment as warranted.

[quote]But will Mueller indict? He is all about precedent apparently.. all the talking heads say he wouldn't indict.

We're rather into unprecedented territory.

[quote]all the talking heads

They're always talking . . .

The UK has Harry and Meghan

But the good ole USA has Don JR. And Kimberly!

If I had my choice between a president that loved the rich vs. a president that is compromised my Russia - I will go with former. We can at least fight back against the rich since there are way more that are NOT in that category.

Lindsey wants Kavanaugh on SCOTUS to remake the judiciary for the next 50 years.

Also, House Freedom Caucus leader and anti-Mueller investigation activist, Gentleman Mark Meadows, made a receptive call upon Lindsey.

tr🐷mp has supposedly been laundering money for the r🐷ssians since the 1990s. I hope none of that cash ended up in terrorist hands. Oops!

The Meadows-Jordan resolution initiative claimed there were 11 sponsors/co-sponsors of the articles to impeach Deputy AG, Rod Rosenstein. However, information released from their offices listed only eight names as follows:

Mark Meadows (NC)

Jim Jordan (OH)

Andy Biggs (AZ)

Scott Perry (PA)

Paul Gosar (AZ)

Jody Hice (GA)

Matt Gaetz (FL)

Scott DesJariais (TN)

(Names didn't include Congressmen such as DeSantis, Gohmert, and Nunes; wonder why?)

If you seek to counter the efforts of these people, perhaps knowing who they are would help.

The Vodka Caucus.

Boris/Svetlana is on a few other threads on the DL doing his usual shrieking rants about how it's impossible to defeat Trump, so hopeless.

The Omarosa thread and a few others. I guess he migrated there since he got taken down so well in the last two threads.

[quote] If I had my choice between a president that loved the rich vs. a president that is compromised my Russia -

Do you mean the millionaire with multiple lakehouses who refuses to release their complete tax returns, whose spouse is being investigated by the FBI for fraud, and who paid their compromised campaign manager $10,000 a Day?

R182 ["you need to read one of those detailed profiles of Mueller. He will not protect the treasonous Repugs to any extent. He is an honourable man."]

Different poster here. I believe Mueller is as moral and ethical as they come, but aside from writing a report, what else can he do? I mean, say he submits his report but the majority of the committee are the very corrupt Republicans who have benefited from this election, and want to continue to benefit. Of course, they do nothing. So then what?

And everybody says "vote"! But we know NOTHING has been done to prevent the Russian hacking, so the mid-terms might be even worse than 2016 because of it - because the Repugs who took over in 2016 are still running things. How do we get out of such a disaster?

I don't expect you or anyone to have an answer. It's just that I'm concerned that too much emphasis is being placed solely on getting everyone to vote, and not fixing the system that might make our votes useless if they're just being tossed and the final tallies are hacked.

(not so) Funnies

Trump's Tweet:

" I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!"

Although I've seen some discussion, I'm surprised more isn't being made of this. He is attempting, once again, to set us up. Weeks before the 2016 election, Trump kept insisting that if he loses, it means the election results were rigged. People paid little attention because Hillary was expected to not only win, but win by a landslide! Then Trump shockingly won! So most were afraid to contest because of their insistence there's be no rigging! But what we now know, is that Trump most likely knew in advance he might win because of the hacking he knew would take place. He jumped out in front to cover his ass.

This is the same thing! He's setting up for Republicans to fight if/when the dems take over Congress in 2018. But if the Repugs "surprisingly" win and stay in power, we know it will be because of election hacking, but Trump will feel he's free to claim otherwise. This tweet needs to be prominent to all so we can come up with a game plan before it happens,

Hopeless Svetlana at R205.

Why even bother voting, right?

R190 Oh JEEZUS. I know that. It was autocorrect and I didn't catch it. Wasting a reply on stupid shit like that? Get a life.

[quote]Do you mean the millionaire with multiple lakehouses who refuses to release their complete tax returns, whose spouse is being investigated by the FBI for fraud, and who paid their compromised campaign manager $10,000 a Day?

Don't forget the man who sent off toxic waste to the poor and got said wife a cushy job on the Board that oversees it - where she got a salary of more than 100k and as of 2016 was still getting a salary for... and the same man who illegally used campaign funds to stalk a Pope... who led a campaign team that broke into and stole his competitors Database... oh and also paid family members using campaign funds.... and wrote fantasies about rape and how women couldn't really be raped because they actually all secretly want it... and who had people on his campaign supporting him actively tell the public to vote for Dotard over Clinton.... and who doesn't believe in Sanctions for Russia....... and who said that he was glad Dotard cleared up that he misspoke and.................

There is a leak that the CIA ran a phycological assessment of Trump and concluded that he would be more likely to issue a Nero Decree than to resign or even allow himself to be impeached and convicted.

This could take the form of a diversionary war, such as against Iran, which would divide the country but generally boost his support, unless he is too far gone for that, and it backfires.

Or he might enact other policies deliberately designed to damage the economy or social cohesion, simply out of spite.

A classic example of this is Hitler’s order to destroy Paris simply out of spite, when the Germans withdrew in 1944. War in Europe had not been conducted in this manner in centuries, if ever before. Likewise, Hitler believed at the end that the German people had [italic] failed him [/italic], personally, and therefore deserved their fate and did not deserve his concern for their wellbeing or their circumstances after the war. The conclusion is that this is how Trump will act at the end of his political power.

When will Junior go hunting again at a fenced-in African hunting camp, so that he can have a leopard skin jacket and an ivory ashtray made for lady Kimberly?

R212 Please let us know so someone "in the know" can alert someone at the reserve to give him an uploaded gun.

The Nero decree is food for thought. He's a bully. I will never understand why in his 71 years, he was never told no. His parents, teachers, business partners, ex wives. He's toxic and vile.

R214 He would never surround himself with people who would say no.

He is told no, but he’s not human. He’s going to do whatever he wants and doesn’t care what happens as long as he’s in the clear. Why congress protects such a thing is both incredulous and criminal.

Trump doesn't accept no as an answer. He just does whatever he thinks gets him what he wants (bullying, flattery, whining, begging, etc.).

Thanks, r211, I'd never heard of the Nero Decree before.

r199 He already has ties to terrorists. Ivanka was heavily involved in a deal in Azerbaijan with a guy who has ties to the Iranian National Guard, who fund terrorist organizations all over the world. The press should ask him about that every time he goes off on Iran, but they never do.

[quote]The House Intelligence Committee ended its Russia investigation and said it found no evidence of collusion.

I know we know this, but in the context of the article re: Fitzpatrick at R203, its absolutely obvious the HIC is colluding with Trump/Russia.

The representatives on that committee need to be investigated as to what they knew and when did they know it and compare that to their deliberately inaccurate and misleading findings.

Then they need to be incarcerated for treason.

[quote]There is a leak that the CIA ran a phycological assessment of Trump...

What kind of algae did they determine he was? Probably some virulent type with a horrible stench.

The smartest thing for the IC to do would be to induce angina a few times. Spike his food or his drink with something that causes vasoconstriction. Trump would never admit to having angina, because he’s the most healthiest ever president in the history of the planet since the Big Bang. But people would see him loosening his tie, sweating, sitting down. They’d know something is wrong. He should be surreptitiously filmed during one or two of these attacks. Then would come the massive heart attack that would kill him. There would be video proof that Trump ignored symptoms.

After his funeral, the IC should turn to Pence. “How much did he know & when did he know it?”

That "gang of 11" in the House, and Miss Thang and the beat-up-by-the-neighbor guy in the Senate, sure go out of their way to take actions to please Puty Poop in addition to C. B. Spurs. And that old fella's whose dirty drawers that these Bernbros crave, sure votes pro-Puty when sanctions come up.

R222 He would never mention Big Bang which would trigger the shit outta his base.

There is a leak that the CIA ran a phycological assessment of Trump...

Would love to hear more about this?

Maybe it's just because I grew up in the 60s, but I gotta wonder why Putin hasn't been assassinated. He's fucked up so many lives and more than one country.

R226 He wisely made many into Oligarchs and they are protecting him.

Is it possible the CIA might...'deal' with Trump, if you know what I mean? He's dangerously crazy.

We don't want to make him a martyr. I'd rather see them get the goods on him, him in jail, then hanged for treason.

Oh Maggie....Maggie, Maggie.......

Tom Brady refused to attend the White House recognition ceremony when the Patriots won the Super Bowl. He also made it clear that he did not vote for Trump. Apparently, this really upset Donald Trump. He kept saying it wasn't true. But it was.

Next thread title should be: "The Crook, The Treasoner, His Wife and His Lover." He's got his hand on Ivanka's ass while standing next to Melania and his mistress, what a creepy family.

[quote] Is it possible the CIA might...'deal' with Trump, if you know what I mean? He's dangerously crazy.

No. The 1% love him. He won’t be going anywhere & they’ll do whatever it takes to keep him on power, like rig 2020. The CIA has all kinds of insider info on the 1% and get tips on things like what to invest in. When the CIA agent retires, s/he will be rich. And look at the FBI NY office. So powerful that it influenced an election result. Powerful & pro Trump.

They never got Castro

The latest from Haberman at R230 is a vile fluff PR piece and Ivanka's desperate attempt to spin her business failure.

r226, watch The Death of Stalin.

Appropriate and HILARIOUS!

That photo is several yards past creepy, r232.

Ivanka & Jared draw nice taxpayer-funded salaries as WH senior advisors. I don't feel bad for either of them per business adventure failures. Trump and his family did not divest with anything, and did not establish any blind trusts. Their conflicts of interest are extensive. They all get away with it.

Their nice taxpayer salaries do not amount to tip-change compared to the grifting millions they make.

I agree with others about assassination. In the beginning I prayed for it. Now, I feel like that would be far too easy. Let this prick go through the epic, ugly, humiliating shunning. Let him watch his fortune dwindle away to nothing. Let him watch Melania divorce him and have no ability to punish and threaten her. Let him watch each of his children’s lives be destroyed. Let him go through the awfulness and indignity of press conferences after his tax returns are released. Let him stare at cinderblock walls. Let him face a judge. Let him face a jury. Let him hear people chanting “Lock HIM up!” Let him experience being public sentenced for treason. Let him feel what it’s like to have no women willing to fuck him. Let him realize once and for all that even Donald J. Trump is accountable to the rule of Law, and that HIS choices put him there. Let him grapple with the FACT that he is a traitor to the country that gave him so much, so much fame, wealth, and luxury. He is a traitor, and I want to see him KNOW that he’s a traitor, and know that WE all know he’s a fucking traitor.

Everything about this man is EGO — so that’s exactly what I want to damage. Assassination would be too sweet and too swift. I want to see him psychologically destroyed.

The thought of Trump eating The Loaf for the rest of his life will be worth EVERYTHING.

If Ivanka was arrested on unpardonable state charges, Trump would go crazy.

Exactly!!!!! I want to see him be all cocky for THAT!!

I doubt trump would ever face a jury. His lawyers would plea bargain. I don’t believe he is going to spend a day in jail, either. He hasnt ripped off the right people. He knows who not to rip off. Unlike Madoff, the jerk. The Trump Organization has already been charged with money laundering and paid a fine.

[quote] The Trump Taj Mahal casino broke anti-money laundering rules 106 times in its first year and a half of operation in the early 1990s, according to the IRS in a 1998 settlement agreement.

[quote] It's a bit of forgotten history that's buried in federal records held by an investigative unit of the Treasury Department, records that congressional committees investigating Trump's ties to Russia have obtained access to, CNN has learned. The casino repeatedly failed to properly report gamblers who cashed out $10,000 or more in a single day, the government said. Trump's casino ended up paying the Treasury Department a $477,000 fine in 1998 without admitting any liability under the Bank Secrecy Act.

And

[quote] March 06, 2015 WASHINGTON, DC – The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) today imposed a $10 million civil money penalty against Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort (Trump Taj Mahal), for willful and repeated violations of the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA). In addition to the civil money penalty, the casino is required to conduct periodic external audits to examine its anti-money laundering (AML) BSA compliance program and provide those audit reports to FinCEN and the casino’s Board of Directors.

He’s been getting away with paying fines for years. Some of you have 5th grade level fantasies of Trump being arrested, handcuffed, placed in an orange jumpsuit and getting raped by Bubba. This is America. That doesn’t happen to rich people who rip off the poor and middle class. A fine is what money laundering will get you. And no, the US govt is not going to charge its President with treason. We are not in a declared war and congress isn’t going to declare war with Russia over cyber attacks. Get real.

Of course, if The NY Times had published all this info in 2015 instead of “breaking” the Hillary email story, we wouldn’t have this shithead as president.

I'm hoping they don't go easy on Ivanka because she's a woman and a mother. #hertoo dammit!!!

People such as Jeffrey Toobin claim Trump won't be indicted, let alone prosecuted. Mueller will issue a "report", then Congress can decide if they want to impeach. There is a chorus out there such as Toobin and Dershowitz, saying that it very questionable if Trump is subject to indictment. They claim it would be a Supreme Court challenge, if Mueller/Rosenstein tried, and the current court, if Kavanaugh is added, would side with Trump. They are calling it "untested waters". Further, they are claiming no obstruction and/or criminal conspiracy has been proven. Isn't the investigation still going on and Mueller has not declared anything about convicting or clearing Trump?

Then let it get tested, and make the Supreme Court decide, and go on record for the annals of history.

This makes one wonder, then why did Ford pardon Nixon if a President is not subject to indictments, or must the country wait till he leaves office to try and prosecute?

Maybe it is all bullshit, and CNN wants this saga to last indefinitely for the ratings.

[quote] why did Ford pardon Nixon if a President is not subject to indictments

He's not subject to indictment while he is in office. Once Nixon left there was a real possibility that he could have and would have been indicted and tried. He was named as an un-indicted co-conspirator. So, yes, it was possible. Ford didn't want to put the country through that and he decided to pardon Nixon, who accepted it.

This is far different. If Mueller's report shows that Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election, as now seems increasingly likely, and this fucker committed treason, then he should suffer the consequences for it.

[quote] Further, they are claiming no obstruction and/or criminal conspiracy has been proven.

No one knows what Mueller has. Everything concerning this investigation is pure speculation because no one but Mueller and his staff are privy to the details. That is the way a prosecution is supposed to work. If you, as the prosecutor, are confident of the charges you are bringing, then you try your case in court, not in the press.

Am I wrong in saying that Trump has been the most hateful, lying, revolting piece of shit that anyone has ever put up with? Isn't it possible that judges, lawyers, FBI Agents and other law abiding citizens would like nothing more than to see him in handcuffs and orange? I would like to see his Dick stomped in the dirt, then I would like to see him tared and feathered while being pulled through town by a rope around his neck.

r243....depends on the charges....there is no plea dealing for espionage, conspiracy and treason.

He will never be indicted or jailed. He will possibly be impeached at some point, shunned, retire to Mar a lago to live a short life of infamy, martyred on death by the deplorables.

One of the nice things about Donald being so old is that he's got much less of a chance for a post-presidency redemption period (while alive, that is). I really wish he spends the rest of his life bitterly aware that the delusion is over. There's no way back from this.

[quote] depends on the charges....there is no plea dealing for espionage, conspiracy and treason.

They will never ever charge a president with espionage and treason. GW Bush started a war on faked evidence and he’s happily painting clowns in TX. Dick Cheney & Karl Rove outed a CIA agent and everyone got Scooter Libby to take the fall. Libby’s legal bills were paid by republican billionaires and Bush commuted his sentence. I think he spent a day or two in jail during legal proceedings.

Fitzgerald simply took everyone’s word that Cheney & Rove weren’t involved. Undoubtedly people lied. Nothing happened to them.

It would be nice if Trump were charged with treason and espionage, but we live in the real world where presidents don’t get charged with these things. Sure he’s a lot worse than Bush. But that doesn’t matter.

I will apologize profusely if any of these charges happen. I’m no bill O’Reilly, who claimed he would apologize and never did. But look back at the Plame investigation. The net was burning up with people awaiting arrests for treason and all kinds of things for months and months. Joe Wilson said he couldn’t wait for Karl Rove to be frog marched out of the White House in handcuffs. When Fitzmas came, it was a wet blanket. I think some of Trump’s cohorts will face a little jail time, but not much. The big, smarmy players will get away, like they always do. I don’t think anything will hurt Trump’s standing with the GOP. The only reason Trump is pissed about the investigation is because he thinks he’s the boss of everyone & that nobody should question his authority. Even with his shitty lawyers, he ain’t going down.

Cracks in the dam.

Please, Donald Trump will retire and surround himself with his usual "Oh Blossom, you're so beautiful!" ass kissers who will let him live in his delusion bubble that the's the greatest politian and businessman ever.

Trump has gotten everything he could've ever wanted: A job title that means he's more or less immune from prosecution for the rest of his life.

He should just quit (literally) while he's ahead.

Or maybe the CIA can drop him out of a plane like in that boring movie with Matt Damon and Angelina Jolie. Would that work for you, R239?

Trump wants to be on Mt. Rushmore.

Some evangelical deplorables are having signs, portraits, emblems, symbols, and scripts presenting him as as devine or "chosen" character.

Yeah, he was "chosen". By Vlad.

R252, excellent article. I’m glad that journalists are starting to talk about the elephant in the room.

sorry didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if this has been posted.

Fat cunt wished his daughter married Tom Brady instead of Jared.

President Trump’s No. 1 draft pick for potential son-in-law: Five-time Super Bowl winner Tom Brady.

The President, in an oft-used line, jokingly paints the Patriots signal-caller as a marital MVP while verbally sacking incumbent Jared Kushner. The real estate developer, known more for his buildings than his deep ball, married Trump’s daughter Ivanka in 2009 — and provided him with three grandkids.

Look. maybe the 1% wanted him where he is at first, but with these tariffs and his trade wars and the stock market's volatility we are heading towards catastrophe. And the 1% doesn't like that a bit. The 1% wanted their tax cuts, and they wanted deregulation. But Trump is fast becoming more trouble than he is worth, and that will be his undoing. The guy could very well have a CIA induced heart attack.

Trump is uniquely corrupt, traitorous, and unlikeable. We will see unprecedented prosecutions. It’s important that the people demand it. It won’t happen unless we do. And we do, at the moment.

Actually no r254

It appalls me to no end to know that both Brady and Belichick consider Trump a friend.

And I do agree that our system is broken and historically speaking, money talks. But this is also beyond unprecedented. Beyond the pale. There are many many people who are demanding justice.

Which is why our oligarchs must go down if involved. Seeing some of these RW billionaires rounded up for treason would send a signal.

I would suck Mueller dry, he is such a hot daddy. My mussy gets wet thinking of him taking Trump and his band of thieves down.

Correct. We must draw the proverbial line in the sand NOW. This is it.

Another reason to hate Tom Brady and the Pats! Cheating cunts and Trump's buddy...why should anyone be surprised???

I wouldn't be surprised if the 1% loves Trump's tariff burden to cripple the competition (but not them thanks to Trump, and their international lackeys, granting them excemptions).

Peter Thiel is going to teach a course (held in German) about anti-globalization in Stanford. I imagine that he is trying to pave the way for an oligarchy system where a few controle the masses' options (what they can buy, consume, where they can work, where they can go to school, where they get their news from, etc.).

Our oligarchs are just as evil as Russia's. Never enough money because money = power.

This Thanksgiving, will Sarah Huckabee Sanders be sharing her recipe for that beautiful pecan pie she made?

Great pic of Peter Thiel at R267. Those injections of the blood of healthy youths is really doing the trick—such a healthy glow!

he has no eyebrows in that picture!

R279, I think his skin is just stretched a bit. Lizard people do that right before they molt.

R239 got me all puffy down there

Why would he be teaching if he’s a billionaire? Leave that job for someone who needs it.

I don’t trust it. It’s some sort of propaganda course. That dude is an idiot and has no business brainwashing others.

Shame on Stanford.

Note to Early Shift Trolls!

The “both sides” instructions for today’s Putin-funded trolling is as follows...

“Each side is as bad as the other because rich people exist on BOTH sides”.

Emphasize this. Make sure to mention multiple times that the Democrats have oligarchs too.

Implicitly suggest that Hillary is “Wall Street” again, but ignore any post pointing out that Bernie Sanders is a millionaire.

If you can go for a “kill the oligarchs” pattern all the better.

Here’s a good example; feel free to use it in your posts, though make sure your perspective is “American”:

[quote] Our oligarchs are just as evil as Russia's. Never enough money because money = power.

I am hoping that Shine is a plant motivated by getting revenge on Murdock by agreeing to work for Mueller to take down every last one of their nasty RICO asses AND Fox News along with Hannity the Thumb.

There are "safe spaces" for the early shifts.

Kellyanne's Pussy Part III

Rudia Giuliani:. From Drag to Bad

The Gentlemen Caller Chronicles:. Odes to Miz Lindzey

I don't think Kellyanne's pussy is a safe space for anyone.

Did you see this, r276?

Two DL faves in one picture.

Reince Priebus is still close to Trump and they talk all the time. I hope he is one of those indicted and I hope the whole RNC is cited as a criminal conspiracy under RICO.

Rudy G. seems to be having trouble with the Twitter machine. Yesterday he posted this:

[quote]Stay tuned as the Cohen-Davis team is rumored to be getting ready to release more surreptitiously recorded conversations. By the time Davis is

and never finished the thought. This morning he posted this:

[quote]You

and 20 minutes later tweeted another unrelated thought.

Just the kind of man you want representing you if you're the President! (I'm hoping he accidentally publishes a message to Trump to his entire Twitter feed.)

r276, doesn't seem likely, Shine has been a nasty man for a long, long time.

“Personally, I don’t know about Trump,” he said. “You won’t necessarily see MAGA hats at an NSM meeting. We’re anti-Semitic. Something’s off about Trump with the Jews. That said, we’re strategically aligned. When Trump says something that aligns with us — close the borders, build the wall, look after your own — that’s good: We’ve been saying this for 25 years, but he has made it mainstream.”

It's somewhat amazing that the town in r284 is fewer than 100 miles from Ithaca.

There are openly racist towns in the US ??? I mean of course there are racist everywhere in the 50 states, but that town has nazy flags out in the open .

In a statement to The Post, Menendez condemned the administration’s “practice of replacing seasoned professional and programmatic experts with patronage hires.” He said that “blind loyalty seemingly trumps qualifications, experience and career public servants.”

Republicans are just evil and they hate our democracy. They don't want the majority of Americans to have the vote...that is why they are constantly working to cheat people out of their vote. Why do so many Americans want a dictatorship, not a democracy?

DJT wanted his miliary parade obviously to coincide with Putty's visit. Expect Mattis just didn't say no, but "hell no".

As an historian I can tell you that the Ku Klux Klan used to publicly, openly endorse candidates for local offices like Mayor or council, and even state legislature, as late as 1958-1960. In Detroit. Which was where the Black Legion was founded. And the Klan held a march in Washington D.C. August 8, 1925, 30,000 members all dressed in their white robes.

The only thing that can really put an end to the horrors of racism, of people calling the cops, or of people confronting people, or harming them, etc. is for the White people in this country to stand up to these extremists. To intervene, to take videos, to be willing to speak up. As it happens. These white supremacists, are made bold when they get away with it. When a climate is created and they can find fellow travelers they feel very powerful. But they are the fringe. They do not represent all white people and we absolutely must push back against this.

R122, Ivanka also has the...trump card about her mysterious meeting in Dubrovnik with Wendy Deng, then rumored to be Putin's paramour.

I don't think that's brought up enough, r292. Ivanka is complicit, did commit crimes/treason and I just hope they don't allow her to skate free when this all comes to a head.

The Presidential Personnel Office (PPO) is little known outside political circles. But it has far-reaching influence as a gateway for the appointed officials who carry out the president’s policies and run federal agencies.

Since the inauguration, most of the staffers in the PPO have been in their 20s, some with little professional experience apart from their work on Trump’s campaign, The Post found.

Since the inauguration, most of the staffers in the PPO have been in their 20s, some with little professional experience apart from their work on Trump’s campaign, The Post found.

In January, they played a drinking game in the office called “Icing” to celebrate the deputy director’s 30th birthday. Icing involves hiding a bottle of Smirnoff Ice, a flavored malt liquor, and demanding that the person who discovers it, in this case the deputy director, guzzle it.

“No administration has done it as poorly as the current one,” said Max Stier, president and chief executive of the Partnership for Public Service, a nonpartisan group that teamed up with The Post to track appointments.

A number of Trump appointees have been embroiled in controversy and resigned their posts over questions about their qualifications, backgrounds and comments.

They include 24-year-old Taylor Weyeneth, who lost his job as deputy chief of staff at the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) after a Post account detailed his lack of experience and inaccurate claims on résumés submitted to the government. An internal memo shows that the PPO deputy director ordered that a senior civil servant in ONDCP be moved into another job to make way for Weyeneth’s appointment. Weyeneth declined to comment for this article.

Another appointee, Carl Higbie, stepped down in January from the federal agency that runs AmeriCorps after the media drew attention to remarks he made on Internet radio that disparaged blacks, Muslims, gays and women. He later said he regretted the remarks.

The most senior and experienced leader in the office is Katja Bullock, the 75-year-old special assistant to the president who worked in the office under Reagan and both Bush administrations. She joined the Trump transition in December, according to a financial disclosure, and now serves as an administrator, according to people familiar with the office operations.

The president recently appointed her to the Federal Salary Council, an advisory board that suggests changes to the government’s pay scales.

[bold]Since Bullock joined the Trump transition, four of her family members received political appointments to federal agencies. Her son became deputy assistant administrator at the United States Agency for International Development. His wife is a White House liaison at the Office of Personnel Management.

One of their sons serves as a “confidential assistant” at the Social Security Administration, agency records show. And another son received an appointment in February as a “staff assistant” at the Millennium Challenge Corporation, a U.S. foreign aid agency that works to end global poverty, agency records show. According to voter registration records, all four live in the same Kensington home.[/bold]

From Alaskan seafood to BMWs produced in South Carolina, President Trump’s growing trade war with nations from China to Turkey has spurred a series of alarming news stories from reporters seeking a local angle on a global phenomenon.

That coverage has been almost universally negative, as local outlets report on the costs and impacts to industries important to their economies.

Regnery Publishing publicist Lauren McCue said Spicer "can't recall any incident" like the one Lombard described.

Yes, Sean. By all means, sue the AP.

R199, Haha; we get it.

But you are hoist on your own petard, as to deny that the Russians---destroyers of civilian airliners (don't forget KAL 007, besides the Malaysia airplane over Ukraine); invaders; murderers of journalists, scientists, etc.---are terrorists is to be Trump-level ignorant.

First, the tax reform hasn’t yet resulted in appreciably higher wages for American workers. Real average hourly compensation actually fell in the first quarter after the tax reform was passed.

Official data for the second quarter isn’t available yet, but private data isn’t looking encouraging. PayScale’s index of real wages shows a dramatic deterioration in the period.

Huge, immediate gains for wealthy shareholders combined with tepid increases in business investment and decreases in real wages don’t paint a flattering picture of the tax cut’s impact so far. There is, however, a possibility that the tax cut has acted as a Keynesian fiscal stimulus, helping to push down unemployment.

But that’s not exactly the long-term structural improvement that the bill’s supporters advertised. And as a recent research note from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco points out, fiscal stimulus in good economic times is less effective than in recessions. And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter, below 2017’s pace, and considerably less than in 2014 and 2015.

This tepid rate of growth means that the tax cut is unlikely to pay for itself. By this point, almost all economists recognize that income tax cuts no longer stimulate the economy enough to reduce deficits, as supply-siders thought they would back in the 1980s. But economists still held out some hope that lowering the corporate tax, which is believed to be more harmful than the personal income tax, would have a more salutary effect on the budget. Unfortunately, that hope appears to be fading, as fiscal deficits increase rapidly.

R297, is he denying that the incident took place? It's on video.

[quote] The most senior and experienced leader in the office is Katja Bullock, the 75-year-old special assistant to the president who worked in the office under Reagan and both Bush administrations.

Thank you R294 for posting that article. I had no idea that that old fossil, Katja Bullock, was still alive let alone that she was back in PPO. A leftover from Poppy Bush, she was there at the start of the Clinton administration in 1993, and inexplicably assumed that she would be kept on. She was not. She had been the system administrator for the database that tracked appointees. As right-wing as they come. Also, interestingly, an immigrant. She spoke with a heavily Eastern European accent. Ah, but those immigrants -- like Vurst Leddy -- are OK because they are not brown. I'm also not shocked that she got patronage jobs for her family because she knows how to play the game. Plus, Trump couldn't care less who he puts in these jobs, as long as they are loyal to him. So an unqualified hack with no experience is fine.

I wonder if svelte Jared knows he appears gay.

R292, I have known since this "vacation" occurred that it was something. I want to know what it was about, and I think we will someday.

Let me live long enough to see these fuckers get their comeuppance.

Wise words.....

If he doesn't know now r303, he will when he hits the prison showers!

Lindsey again today on Fox. Lindsey is putting his foot down about Democrats not supporting Kavanaugh.

Tweets below, Lindsey is having none of Michael Cohen.

Isn't this a matter for the Judge and the Investigation? Why is Lindsey taking sides in this he say-he say? Lindsey sure adores Tump and media appearances, but Lindsey is mad that non-Fox media is questioning Trump.

Russians abandoning the sinking ship.

And it's not just the Russians.

Foreign investment in the U.S. dropped off a cliff since Obama left office.

Someone still has a sense of humor:

^ #resist

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

This got me through those first, terrible days.

When this crap gets me down, I watch [italic]V for Vendetta[/italic]. It's included with Amazon Prime right now if you're in the mood.

Also, "West Wing."

Is Treasonous Christ Superstar on the list OP?

R308's link got me to this gem from Rick Wilson:

Yeah, imma let you finish but if you believe for one second that Stormy Daniels & the Playboy model are the only payments Donald Trump has ever made to cover up dry humping pageant contestants, pornstar diddling, escort banging, lot lizard truck stop ho humping, pussy grabbing, tawdry hotel sheet-staining, pump and dump rando banging, oh-baby-I'm-gonna-make-you-a-star actress ugly bumping, I have another thing coming.

LOL Rick Wilson is such a bitch. His shade rivals that of the bitterest queen.

An aside, thank you R304. Feel the same way.

Shit is getting real in the heartland.

Remember, the deplorables will eventually realize they’ve been had. The administration has spent 100% of its time on international scams that benefit the family instead of the country, including cash payments of up to $200,000,000 a pop.

It will take a while for them to realize it but the squeeze on flyoveria is already happening. It’s like the citizens of Atlantic City took a while so realize all the profits were being sucked out while the debt was left behind.

That is the family’s tried and true M.O.

As this starts to happen to flyoveria, the squeeze will be felt by deplorables more and more with each passing month.

They will hold out and praise the admin until they just can’t anymore.

And then they will just blame something else.

But the family can’t help themselves so it’s only a matter of time before that squeeze becomes too much to look the other way.

The family is going to clean these farmers clock, wipe out American steel and aluminum and sell of any other markets to the international community.

The citizens in AC never got any sympathy and were left for dead.

The same will happen to flyoveria. Who’s gonna come to their rescue? This is how the family operates. Because then the victims become damaged goods and that enables the scams to keep going. Nobody feels sorry for a sucker.

Rick Wilson is straight up slaying all the usual suspects on twitter.

Trump's been on another Twitter rampage the last hour, after New York Times publisher A.G. Sulzberger contradicted Trump's Sunday morning tweet that the two had "Spent much time talking about the vast amounts of Fake News being put out by the media & how that Fake News has morphed into phrase, 'Enemy of the People.'"

In response to Trump's morning tweet, Sulzberger released a statement saying (among other things): "I told the president directly that I thought that his language was not just divisive but increasingly dangerous. I told him that although the phrase “fake news” is untrue and harmful, I am far more concerned about his labeling journalists “the enemy of the people.” I warned that this inflammatory language is contributing to a rise in threats against journalists and will lead to violence."

So far, he's attacked the media, singling out "the failing New York Times" and "the Amazon Washington Post," Angry Democrats, Crooked Hillary, and Robert Mueller -- asking if Mueller is "ever going to release his conflicts of interest with respect to President Trump, including the fact that we had a very nasty & contentious business relationship, I turned him down to head the FBI (one day before appointment as S.C.) & Comey is his close friend."

Trump is really feeling the heat!

Tl; dr @r220: America Last

@r320

Lindsey Graham needs to be helping South Carolina and not Putin.

The roads in SC are absolute shit. It’s like off-roading just trying to go to the grocery store. It’s such a small state yet the never can find the money that’s been allotted for roads.

Suprisingly, SC has a large russian population (near the coast) I thought that was strange but now, in light of recent events, it all makes since.

They’ve been planning this for a long time and we are seeing a confidence that makes me think they are sure of their plan.

R322 Trump is one of those pathological liars who believe in his own lies over actual reality, so he gets super indignant when people correct him about what really occurred.

Steps to Take After Falling for a Scam:

The Deplorables will never admit that that they've been had by Trump. They may phone it in with their devotion to Trump, but very likely not vote on election day (mid-term and 2020. Shitting on others may be a nice thing, but when that is all you have going for you in your life you starting to wonder: Is there more to life than being a racist jerk? What about being able to afford actual food on the table and go to the doctor for the pain I'm having without having to sell my home?

Now PACs want to get in on the family’s scam.

Deplorables make PERFECT victims for scams because they will actually stick up for the scammer and turn on family and friends.

it is so tragic when it all clicks. The friends and family are gone and they’ve lost it all. Nowhere to turn.

And the scammer is long gone with the loot and thinking to himself that it was the victims fault for being so gullible.

MAGA - Mobsters Are Governing America

CPAC is a who’s who of scammers, grifters, cheats and crooks of all shapes and sizes making a FORTUNE off the idiot deplorables.

It’s got to be over a billion dollar business at this point.

Another deplorable bites the dust.

.tweet from Aventti:

@RudyGiuliani Call your good buddy @seanhannity and let's go on his show and discuss the facts and the law relating to Stormy Daniels, Michael Cohen and Mr. Trump. Let's do it any day next week. And if you will not do this, you need to pipe down and go crawl back under that rock

Reverend Al Sharpton @TheRevAl

Just spent an hour w/ Michael Cohen, Trump’s former attorney. I bet you’re wondering what we could be talking about! Stay tuned

???????

Seth Abramson's latest on Tre45onous tRump's history of listening in on Trump Tower conversations:

[quote]10/ Seen in this light, Trump's accusation that Obama had bugged Trump Tower was either a projection of his own fears *or* a projection of his own *designs*—given his staffers' claims he was bugging them and his clandestine monitoring of Trump Tower conference rooms this decade.

I shouldn't even be surprised at this point--EVERYTHING he says others are doing is something he's already done.

Just when you thought it couldn’t get worse...

Making sense of why a jury will believe Cohen over whatever Kushie/Manafort/Trumps say about the meeting with the Russians

[quote]16/ And what you need to understand is that a criminal investigator *rarely* has this much circumstantial evidence to corroborate the already presumptively reliable testimony of a man—Cohen—who can only secure his freedom if he tells a truth the circumstantial evidence verifies.

He can't lie--prosecutors will know it and send him to jail for twice as long.

The others, of course, have every reason to lie.

It is nice that people are raising the question about the legitimacy of tRump's win (though it should have been obvious to more people many months ago). But the real issue is what are we going to do about it? The op-ed writer doesn't venture into that territory.

Cheetolini is an illegitimate fraud who got in by deceit, chicanery, conspiracy and collusion. Once that evidence is established to the satisfaction of most reasonable people, what specific steps are the "oh-so-wise" commentariat class going to suggest for resolving this mess.

We sure as hell can't leave him and his stooge Pence in place that's for sure.

R337 (from Seth's tweet) "A growing body of powerful circumstantial evidence suggests Trump may have not only known about in advance BUT ATTENDED BY SPEAKERPHONE - The June 2016 Trump-Russia meeting at Trump Tower. Media reports suggest this fits his modus operandi. I hope you'll read on and share."

Fuck! I wish I had saved my posts! I wrote the very same thing. That it was my belief he not only knew, but he was on speakerphone. It might have been way back in Treason thread 3 or something. I'm not gonna spend my time looking for it. lol

Snaps to the LA Times for opening that can of worms.

[quote]A growing body of powerful circumstantial evidence suggests Trump may have not only known about in advance BUT ATTENDED BY SPEAKERPHONE

Let's hope Michael Cohen was sitting there in Trump's office, taping the whole damn thing! He was there that day, right?

They got everything. It’s just a matter of time now.

Seems like first we have to vote the Repugs out of office in November, then wait until January to work on getting him impeached. I think if the voting goes incredibly bad for the GOP, the tide will turn and at least mainstream media will stop with their endless "interview more deplorables to get their side of the story".

Do you think anyone will have the courage to actually call out the weird-assed results if this election is fucked with the same way the 2016 election so obviously was? I mean, I figured something was up the moment Florida started to go wonky and kept waiting for someone to say something but no one did. Two years later, people in the media and positions of power are finally starting to mention what seemed obvious that night.

r342, I can vouch for you that I remember your post. Although I too, have no memory of which thread it is in.

[quote]BUT ATTENDED BY SPEAKERPHONE

You know he thinks he's some kind of suave Charlie Townsend.

Awesome idea, R349.

Kellyanne as Jill.

Hope Hicks as Kelly.

Sarah Huckabee as Sabrina.

Can't you just see her fat ass rolling out of a beat up Pinto?

Oh lord, r349. Look at the Angel casting choices from within his harem.....

Kellyanne would think she is the Farrah.

Hope Hicks would also think she is the Farrah.

FAT Fuckabee would KNOW she is the Kate Jackson.

Sabrina had a certain wallflower-y dignity. Sarah Sanders would have to be the rookie Angel, Irma Snodgrass from Possum Gulch, Alabama.

Sarah would the the speaker for conference calls. Nothing else.

Whatever the drama, i wanna play Pussy Galore,

More GOP lies.

Devin Nunes told Fox News yesterday that the American public will be “shocked” when it sees the remaining blacked out portions of the FBI’s applications for spy warrants against former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.

You'd think, after the epic busts of the first five or six times he claimed the documents would exonerate Trump, he might be a bit more judicious with future claims. You might also expect him to actually read the documents himself. But not our Devin. He's "The Fredo Who Cried Wolf, " says Rick Wilson.

"like Iago betrayed Othello."

Oh, Rudy!

Did Rudy really compare Trump to Othello??? Really? LOLOLOLOL!

[quote] R299: ...This tepid rate of growth means that the tax cut is unlikely to pay for itself. Bl..

Surprising no one.

If tax rates were much, much higher, it might be possible, maybe. But at the historically low tax rates we’ve had for decades now, a further tax reduction primarily serves only to increase the deficit, enrich the wealthy, and undermine everybody else, as we have seen, repeatedly.

Trump is Fredo.

Republicans have received their new talking points – Chris Christie and Rudy G. have both started the "Collusion is not a crime" mantra.

Collusion is treason.

Shut it down! Shut it.....

I wish Trump would try a stunt like that! There are a lot of people out here who are already feeling very insecure about how our government is running and it will be another indication of his instability and his authoritarianism, an exercise in power he will relish that will scare the ccrap out of more people. I keep thinking that everything he is doing and saying lately beginning with the immigration crisis, is bringing things to a head on a much faster track. He is helping the Dems with their mid terms. Go for it, you rotten piece of shit!

[quote] Collusion is not a crime.

So, we're back to that??? Good lord. The crimes are conspiracy to violate U.S. election laws and conspiracy to commit treason. Let's start with those. I'm sure Bob Mueller has plenty of more.

A few threads ago, I was asking about the Koch brothers. I was and remain firmly convinced that Russia conspired with Trump to steal the election, and as more and more evidence of that became public I asked where the Kochs were? Well they had a conference of their donors this weekend and now they are saying they are really pissed off and the lack of leadership in Congress and the Trump White House and they don't like the instability and divisive tone. LOL! No shit? They even suggested that out of a sense of unity they might support some Dems if those Dems support their "Libertarian" agenda. Is this their way of distancing themselves from the shit storm they helped create? Is this a signal from them, their call for unity and their criticism of Trump to signal they might support impeachment? It was a weak statement, by my measure, but considering it was the Kochs, it was unexpected.

r367, that's their way of saying "We had nothing to do with this! we totally pinkie swear on that!" to claim innocence while laughing all the way to the bank.

The Koch’s were never Trump fans.

Bannon tells Koch Brothers....

R369, I know that. But they had their one party government and they control Paul Ryan and so many other members of Congress and they all seemed to have their marching orders. And there is a Koch employee managing the legislative agenda and other government policy items INSIDE the Trump WH. He's the "former" political director for the Kochs. So as long as they were getting benefit from Trump's administration they were fine with everything. I guess they were hoping he would be the sideshow while they ran their agenda. But then he got the idea that he was actually running the show. LOL! The Kochs were absolutely through with him once he started shit with Trade policies and Tariffs. It was the Tariffs that finally got them. They want deregulation and tax cuts. But he went too far with the Tariffs. Otherwise it almost seems like they didn't give a fuck about Russia. Now it seems that as the Russia investigation gains traction they are singing a different tune. I don't give them credit for patriotism, because I think it's about trade policies. But if it means they are on board with curbing or getting rid of him I don't care what their reasoning is. When the Kochs complained about how divisive things are I also felt like maybe they were directing that at Jordan, Nunes, etc as much as they were talking about Trump. They referred to Congress when they said it.

Rudy says.....

Cue Nelson Muntz.....

[quote]Rudy Giuliani says he's not sure collusion is a crime

Personally, I'm not sure Rudy's face is not made of silly putty.

And....

David Koch has cancer, and his older brother is running things. Kochs are happy with tax cuts, environmental deregulations, and removing many regulations on the big banks. They don't like the trade wars, tariffs, domestic upheaval, and curbing illegal immigration. They have been proponents of cheap, undocumented labor and growing consumers, for decades. They do like Trump nominating pro-big business/corporate favoring judges. Kochs are about growing wealth and influence; they are not particularly focused on social wedge issues such as abortion.

Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh in 2012 sided with the future U.S. president’s casino in a case over unionization, Bloomberg reported. Kavanaugh threw his weight behind Trump Entertainment Resorts’ successful attempt to end a unionization effort at one of its casinos six years ago.

He voted with two other Republican-nominated judges on the D.C.-based federal appeals court to set aside an order by the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) that would have required the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino in New Jersey to bargain with the United Auto Workers.

Labor advocates point to this ruling as evidence that Kavanaugh's appointment could lead to the targeting of laws to protect workers and specifically target the dwindling number of unions in the U.S.

So in other words Rudy's no longer claiming Trump didn't collude, only that in colluding he didn't commit a crime. Even more importantly, in that same interview he evidently made the claim that Trump wasn't present at the collusion meeting in Trump Tower—not that he never knew about it. So he's leaving open the possibility that Trump listened in and even participated by speaker phone from his nearby office.

Assuming Rudy's getting his talking points from Trump, I think we're approaching zero hour.

Rudy on CNN this morning, moving the goalposts once again: "You start analyzing the crime. The hacking is the crime. The hacking is the crime. Well, the President didn't hack. He didn't pay them for hacking. If you got the hacked information from the Russians here at CNN and you played it, would you be in jeopardy of going to jail? Of course not."

r379....too bad he didnt read the dossier...which states Cohen was Trumps bag man sent to Europe to pay off the hackers. You know Mueller can prove it.

Collusion is TREASON.

TREASON.

Conspiracy is a crime.

Guliani's CNN interview is really incredible.

Per Josh Marshall: So Rudes Just Admitted that Top Trump Brass Met to Plan for the Russian Dirt Meeting Two Days in Advance and Cooperating Witness Rick Gates was in the Meeting.

Only as deepest satire could you write this stuff.

I honestly don't know how Trump hasn't pulled Rudy from the airwaves. I understand Rudy is trying to muddy the waters of what is or isn't illegal and is trying to set up the Trump base to reject any criminal findings from Mueller. But at a certain point Trump HAS TO REALIZE Rudy is causing far, far more harm than good.

"The best people," Trump always says. But I'm not sure he actually understands what is "best" for him.

Not that I'm complaining. Let Rudy incriminate them all into the same fucking cell.

One of these days Ruby Julie is gonna be flapping his malodorous gums when an old-fashioned vaudeville hook comes out and pulls him off stage.

In one of those Rudy interviews he says that Cohen's problem is that he 'says too much'. Seems that problem is not confined to Michael Cohen.

Mike stares, smiles, nods, and acts so loyal.

He's so ready to be sworn in.

That face in R377. Can you imagine THAT coming towards you with a raging hard on? ***Shudder***

Rudy needs to stick with drag and that drag bar on the side street in NYC. Saw you there twice Rudy 10-12 yrs. ago.

Y'all are going to lose your minds when you learn that Mueller and Rod R. are colluding with Trump to take down the Deep State. Trump has enough dirt on both of them to hang them. The endless evidence-free probe into Russian collusion is a cover story. The Swamp is about to be drained.Dr Dee

Clearly someone already has lost his mind

Since you seem so confident about it r390, could you tell us exactly what the “deep state” is and what Trump has on both fellows?

I think R390 is just having some fun and fucking with us this morning.

R342 here. All I've got to say is FUCK! Check this out....

What does it say R394. It won’t load for me.

R390, bwahahaha.......

Link doesn't work for me 394. What does it say?

R394, yep, a lot of us have been saying he was on speakerphone for the meeting. It just fits that orange weasel Trump perfectly.

I think this is it:

@SethAbramson

BREAKING: Less than 48 hours after I wrote the thread below, Rudy Giuliani, Trump's lawyer, has told CNN that his *new* defense of Trump is that Trump was not "physically present" at the infamous June 2016 Trump Tower meeting between his top campaign officials and Russian agents.

"not physically present" --- yup, speakerphone.

When the fuck does the Manafort trial begin?

July 30, r399.

Soon.

I read that they ar e focusing on Manafort's bank fraud money schemes and not his Russia/Election conspiracy. So this trial will be limited.

One always follows the money, r401.....

Its all connected r401......When the time comes, watch how it dovetails into the Trump/Russia case. Mueller is not going to show his hand UNTIL he has to.....it might not be until Manaforts $$ case is over....but there will be more charges when the time is right.

There are 2 trials.

It’s today, R400!

Oh shuddup, Loretta!

Trial starts today/tomorrow. Going to be interesting. Understand Judge Ellis will be tough on both sides. Unbelievably tough. The prosecutors better bring real, hard evidence.

Prosecutors have the paper trail. People lie, documents don't.

Good article here explaining the charges.

Rudy flying the wilting kite of, 'Is collusion really a crime?' needs to be countered by every single clip of Trump blurting, 'No Collusion!', even when the topic wasn't brought up.

A collage of Every Single Clip- accompanied by images of tweets in full caps saying the same thing. Because of course if collusion really isn't so bad - if it makes you smart, like not releasing tax returns - why the obsessive denial?

Not sure we need all those eminent psychiatrists who've diagnosed Trump to answer this one.

Even better, R410, if a collage of Trump's "no collusion" blurts and tweets is followed by Rudy's lame "not a crime" excuse, with an intervening "record scratch freeze frame" and particularly ridiculous pic of goggle-eyed Rudy.

Trump and his conspirators can lie without a conscience, but they are terrible at hiding evidence! The Russians know how to clean up loose ends at least, but Trump doesn't... he just piles on more lies and try to bully his accusers. The Russians will leave Trump hanging in the wind to dry. His downfall will also work to their favor in the short term in causing political chaos, though they better brace for more retaliatory actions from the post-Trump US.

wtf? collusion is not a crime? that's what rudy (trump's lawyer) said.

Schrödinger's Rudy.

"So, again, to summarize for those without video:

Rudy Giuliani has gone on Fox News earlier this afternoon to state that there was no planning meeting on 7 June 2016 for the 9 June meeting with Natalia Veselnitskiya. This was an attempt to clarify what Rudy Giuliani told CNN this morning that there was a planning meeting on 7 June 2016 that was attended by Donald Trump, Jr, Jared Kushner, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates (who has been cooperating with the Special Counsel’s Office for months), and Michael “Hi-Fidelity” Cohen, which contradicted what Rudy Giuliani told CNN’s Chris Cuomo on 26 July 2018. This morning’s CNN appearance was an attempt by Rudy Giuliani to clarify what Rudy Giuliani told Fox News even earlier this morning."

Michael “Hi-Fidelity” Cohen

Tee hee.

Maybe Giuliani is deliberately sending all these conflicting and damning messages just so he can keep appearing on TV.

What kind of pin do we suppose Miss Jill Wine-Banks will have made for this? Some dentures floating in a glass of Polident?

Rudy's next revelation will move a bit closer to truth, but not there yet:

"Yes, Donald was connecting to meeting by speakerphone, but he was distracted and not paying attention".

I thought the same thing ^

Are we waiting for Mr. Trump?

Mr. Trump doesn't sit in at this level.

...

Sorry. Not interested. (telephone rings) Yes, sir? All right, sir.... Yes, he'll take the meeting.

That was Mr. Trump?

Yes, it was.

How did he know?

He knows everything.

I'm telling you, they will try to use the "Trump is too stupid and doesn't know what's going on around him" defense, probably shifting to the Ronald Reagan defense. The groundwork for a dementia defense has been laid before he even got into the WH.

They'll be more subtle than that, R421, but yeah.

[bold]Rudy: "Wait, don't write that"[/bold]

Could this be Ghouliani's undoing?

No, r424....that will be the IG report on the NY FBI field office leakers....coming soon.

Those rash of Trump tweets sound to have Stephen Miller all over it.

I can't imagine a competent, seasoned lawyer would be advising Trump to make personal attacks on prosecutors and likely witnesses.

Check this out...

I so dearly want to see a drawing of Nosferudy dangling from his kite of lies like Charlie Brown. No political cartoonist will make that happen, I fear..

If their intent is to obfuscate what is going on with the Manafort trial, and try to confuse their followers, it's more than likely working. There is nothing these crazies won't float out there in an attempt to avoid and deny.

Acosta should get combat pay. I adore him and he is getting shit on by Trump and his minions every fucking day. I hate them even more for this.

On Jake Tapper on CNN in the past hour Laura Coates (legal analyst, forner prosecutor) openly challenged Philip Mudd (former FBI Senior Intelligence Adviser)’s view that Trump won’t face obstruction or even conspiracy charges. “I wouldn’t be so dismissive I wonder why you are.”

Has Phil been compromised?

What is Stormy holding back, if she knows more than what was told. Avenatti claims such, but hasn't talked about it lately.

Compromised? Fiddle dee dee. Every proper lady has her secrets. I am loyal to my President.

Jury selection for the Manafort trial begins tomorrow so nothing juicy right away.

BREAKING:

It's time to have a closer look at Bernie's campaign manager Tad Devine.

R436 And possibly Bernie.

It never sat well with me how he gave such a luke warm endorsement of HRC and kept going at her even after it was clear she was going to be the nominee. She did the opposite for Obama.

Listened to Stephanie Rhule on MSNBC talking about the Trump/Rudy-Cohen conflict, then she said (paraphrasing):. "What would Lindsey Graham say about this?". It suggested that Lindsey is a moderate, even-handed Senator that is all about principles and truth.

Lindsey had already disparaged Cohen on Fox News and Tweets in last 48 hours, clearly attempting to defend Trump.

What is wrong with these female anchors when it comes to Lindsey Graham? Graham can be wishy-washy on some matters, but votes highly partisan, and for over a year has been a vigorous defender of Trump and has regularly attacked the DOJ/FBI investigation.

Even handed?

Well, yes, I am able to use both hands as required by the situation, but one doesn't like to brag about such things.

If by even handed you mean I can take two fists in my back porch, then yes ma'am.

Tad Davine and... where does Jeff Weaver fit in to all of this?

I seem to remember something during the election about troll farms and Bernie's campaign hiring people to post anti-Hillary stuff. It had to do with it being included in them hiring a "Media" firm? And somehow Weaver and Davine were profiting off it?

Maybe I'm just getting confused but does anyone remember anything of the sort?

I have a vague recollection of something’s called Revolution Marketing, R441.

They acted as a broker of sorts for ad buys, r441, and took a large commission for themselves. I remember Old Towne Media being the name of it.

Thanks, R442 and R443.

The NY Times back and forth reminded me of all the media folks that were called to Trump Tower following the election. Was there any reveal of what was said in those meetings? I have no doubt that if Cohen was present there are tapes of those conversations as well as any tapes from Trump Tower itself.

Please take the Devine stuff to a separate thread. It’s a possible distraction effort and too close to the B word. Sorry I had to block the last 3 posters.

Carry on.

Not you, r445. You’re safe.

This speaker phone call is probably the “phone call” that was slipped up about a few days ago during a rage-denial episode.

R446 you "blocked" people for bringing up a topic that isn't necessarily off topic?

You're not the hall monitor here and I find it weird that you're trying to silence that discussion. What's your angle?

And of course two threads from now you'll bring up blocking those people and not have a clue as to what you blocked them for.

If you don't like it skip over the posts. The fact that you had to announce you "blocked" anyone is ridiculous.

[quote]wtf? collusion is not a crime? that's what rudy (trump's lawyer) said.

Going strictly by the rules of legal English, that is correct - no legal definition in US criminal code for collusion.

Tons of definitions on the books for criminal conspiracy, however.

r446 has blocked someone (me) who has read or posted in all of the threads and even suggested a DC meetup to celebrate in the event of a new series of impeachment threads. I won't apologize for any of my posts or for the content of them, except for suggesting Nellie's as a possible meetup location.

I understand the paranoia, but Tad Devine is on the witness list of the central trial of the Mueller investigation so far—United States v. Manafort. That trial goes to jury selection tomorrow.

Manafort and Devine both profited immensely and secretively for campaign work, including for Putin ally and now-in-Russian-exile former President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych. Manafort and Devine were partners.

Just after the Putin-linked work ends, they happen to be working on campaigns with Putin-backed foreign influence and support.

I think this warrants Devine taking the stand as a witness in—again—the central trial of the investigation to date. Mueller thinks so too.

Re: Collusion not being a crime - that's exactly why for the past year it's been mentioned that we shouldn't be using the term collusion. The correct word for what he's done is Conspiracy.

R451 you're in good company. That person apparently couldn't be bothered to check histories so blocked both you AND the OP of these threads, lol.

[quote] wtf? collusion is not a crime? that's what rudy (trump's lawyer) said.

There probably isn’t anything in the criminal code for “bank heist”, but that doesn’t make it legal. It just means that “bank robbery” is the synonym for which there are entries in the criminal code. We absolutely shouldn’t worry about using the word collusion. Collusion = conspiracy.

No collusion does not equal conspiracy.

Collusion can exist without conspiracy. Conspiracy cannot exist without collusion.

Collusion is in the dictionary. Conspiracy, in addition, is in the criminal code.

Ok ok ok ok!!!! The bottom line is that King Bullshitter, RUDY, is playing fucking word games! Tomato, tomahto, I know when I’m being fed a big ol’ line of bullshit, and so do the majority of Americans. Tick tock motherfuckers.

R455 The coverup for the collusion is itself a conspiracy and easier to prove since all the players are in this country.

Collusion is not a crime by itself. Here are the charges Mueller could be exploring.

[quote]Black's Law Dictionary defines collusion as "a deceitful agreement or compact between two or more persons, for the one party to bring an action against the other for some evil purpose, as to defraud a third party..." A conspiracy, on the other hand, is defined as "a combination or confederacy between two or more persons formed for the purposes of committing, by their joint efforts, some unlawful or criminal act, or some act which is innocent in itself, but becomes unlawful when done by the concerted action of the conspirators." Got it? You can have collusion without having a criminal conspiracy, but you can't have a criminal conspiracy without some sort of collusion.

I know what I'm tweeting to the deplorables next time they call Hillary crooked: What law exactly says that "crooked" is a crime?

They won't get it r462, they're morons.

The idiot, let alone most of his worshippers, had never even heard or spoken the word "collusion" until it became the POTUS favorite word to substitute for "fraud" or "conspiracy" or even just " bad stuff."

No collusion! Whatever that means, and if I say it has to be true, that I can tell you. Your favorite president never collusioned.

Revolution Messaging, r442 and r441. I don't think they were owned by Devine/Weaver/Sanders, though I remember all of them had separate "companies" that they paid with campaign funds, like a company to do bulk mailings, a company to do AV production, a company to buy ads, etc. Revolution Messaging was founded by Obama '08 alumni, though they have fallen on hard times, most recently losing Beto's business.

And fuck off r446.

r427, you buried the lede . . . that clip ended with the camera gaze resting lovingly on the nexus of the South Carolina-Arkansas gay Republican haute social circle, Master J. Hogan Giggly!

Number 1, I fucking hate Trump and want him to go to Jail but I think that's too much to ask. They are not gonna put a US President in jail, they will let him resign. But by the time he does that, he's already profited hundreds of millions in off shore accounts. Number 2, I fucking hate Jared. He should go to Jail for making up lies and shit on forms. He is just dishonest as the day is long. He could be a spy for Israel. That is my hunch. And he has the highest security clearance again. Fucking asshole.

One of Ari's guests just made an informed spec (he's a former US Atty or something of the kind) that Rudy's foray on the meeting and the pre-meeting is happening now because the defense for Manafort's trial has just recently gotten all the previous testimony of all the witnesses, as is the law. So they have gotten all testimony by Rick Gates who also was at the TT meeting, and who has cooperated with Mueller. So they just learned what Gates has spilled to Mueller, and Rudy rushed to put up smokescreens.

former South Carolina “Republican” party executive director Todd Kincannon ritualistically slaughtered a dog inside the Simpsonville, S.C. home where he resides with his parents.

[quote] I fucking hate Trump and want him to go to Jail but I think that's too much to ask.

Keep the dream alive, R467.

Did Rudy have a stroke? He was slurred and may have dementia. I know of no attorney that thinks he is helping Trump - it’s actually the opposite and he is making Trump look guilty as shit.

Imagine where we would be if Dump hadn't fired Comey in the first place? I shudder to think how far and deep Russian influence would have gone beyond where we are now without a Mueller investigation.

I can't decide who is the biggest doofus, Trump or Rudy.

so Bob Woodward has a devastating book coming out September 11

He probably hates Sessions for recusing himself.

R472 If it weren't Comey, it would have been something else. Trump demands everyone around him be crooked for him, and at some point he would hit on someone who won't. It just seems more like cosmic irony that Comey might have helped deliver Trump the WH, and firing him would lead to Trump getting kicked out.

I can't wait for that book, r474!

R474: Now, that's the book I will buy!

Are they intentionally trying to ruin the economy?

Yep, pretty much -- ruin the economy, stoke unrest, implement martial law.

R479: Yes! As per Putin's orders along with extreme incompetence.

Can't Cohen confirm to Mueller that he was in fact in Prague?

The "Great Negotiator" negotiated a turd. Oopsie!

[quote]U.S. intelligence agencies indicate North Korea is building new missiles, officials told The Washington Post on Monday, weeks after President Trump declared the nation is "no longer a Nuclear Treat."

Loved the “collusion” debate comment on MSNBC tonight.

“Dying also is not a crime - - - but murder is.”

And yes, R448, Trump’s out of the blue response a few days ago that there was”No Collision / No Phone Call” was a true WTF moment.

It didn't make sense because no one had raised the prospect of a phone call. But the incriminating Phone Call that Rudy’s just indirectly alluded to must have been on Trump’s mind when he answered the reporter’s question - and we know Trump has no disconnect between mind and mouth.

We'd like our #FakeNobelPrize back, please.

How about them "economic anxieties"? This is quite interesting.

"As Michael Tesler shows in his powerful book "Post-Racial or Most-Racial?: Race and Politics in the Obama Era", attitudes on race drove attitudes on almost everything else, in a way that’s unique in recent American politics. Perceptions of the economy became significantly more divided by race. Even perceptions of the president’s dogs became more divided by race — shown pictures of the Obamas’ dog Bo, more racially resentful Americans liked the dog better when told it was a picture of Ted Kennedy’s dog Splash. ...Obama’s presidency didn’t force race to the forefront of American politics through rhetoric or action but through symbolism: Obama himself was a symbol of a changing America, of white America’s loss of power, of the fact that the country was changing and new groups were gaining power.

This is the crucial context for Trump’s rise, and it’s why Tesler has little patience for those who treat Trump as an invader in the Republican Party. In a field of Republicans who were trying to change the party to appeal to a rising Hispanic electorate, Trump was alone in speaking to Republican voters who didn’t want the party to remake itself, who wanted to be told that a wall could be built and things could go back to the way they were.

“Trump met the party where it was rather than trying to change it,“ Tesler says. “He was hunting where the ducks were.”

a bitter debate has erupted since the 2016 election between those who blame our politics on economic anxiety and those who see a country riven by racial resentment. In its aftermath, a popular synthesis has emerged: Economic anxiety activated racial resentment, which means, comfortingly, that a better economy would calm our divisions.

The best evidence we have suggests this gets the relationship largely backward. In their forthcoming book Identity Crisis: The 2016 Presidential Campaign and the Battle for the Meaning of America, political scientists John Sides, Michael Tesler, and Lynn Vavreck analyze reams of data and show that racial resentment activated economic anxiety, rather than the other way around:

"Before Obama’s presidency, how Americans felt about black people did not much affect their perceptions of the economy. After Obama, this changed. In December 2007, racial resentment — which captures whether Americans think deficiencies in black culture are the main reason for racial inequality — was not related to whites’ perceptions of whether the economy was getting better or worse, after accounting for partisanship and ideology. But when these exact same people were re-interviewed in July 2012, racial resentment was a powerful predictor of economic perceptions: the greater someone’s level of racial resentment, the worse they believed the economy was doing."

Ezra Klein spoke on MSNBC about how before the election the white working class saw the economy as terrible. Right after the election, it completely flipped over night. I've said that on here

Another thing I've noticed is before the election, it was nonstop ISIS is gonna kill us all and take over the world. Now, I don't here a peep from the MSM about ISIS. Why is that? Did we defeat them?

It was good seeing Max Boot decimate that doddering old fool Steven Cohen on AC360 tonight. I haven’t seem Cohen on cable news for a long time. He was a regular guest with Charlie Rose, bloviating about how he’s studied Russia for forty five years and knows it better than anybody else. Anyway tonight he was bloviating about the Trump-Putin meeting like he actually knew what they discussed. Boot called him an apologist for Putin and Cohen blew his stack. No wonder Katrina Vandenbeuvel dumped that loser of a husband.

Remember all the deficit hawks we had around here bemoaning the deficit and how we "have to do something" (meaning cut social programs)? Now that the deficit is smashing the roof off they're nowhere to be found.

[quote]racial resentment activated economic anxiety

Said it before, even in the middle of 2008, while Bush was still president, no one was "anxious." It was a crash, and everyone knew it would be awful and eventually it wouldn't be. Like all the other times before.

Eight years into the recovery, in a very strong economy, all of a sudden everyone's "anxious?"

[quote]It was so well known Trump was recording conversations that we regularly had the office swept for bugs.

[quote]He has a voyeur piece to him.

Jack O'Donnell, former Vice President of Trump Plaza Casino, Atlantic City

R489 As Cheney said, deficits don't matter- when a Republican is President. I swear, if the media or we ever allow them to spout off about the deficit again we are fucking morons. I never again want to here the Right complain about the deficit.

[quote]It's impossible that he wouldn't know about the meeting.

Barbara Res, former Trump Organization executive

[quote]They even suggested that out of a sense of unity they might support some Dems if those Dems support their "Libertarian" agenda.

You know what, r367? Fuck them too. Onto Arya's list.

You read these threads, you watch the news, you think you know what's going on with the investigation.

You know nothing, John Snow.

This journalist, Marcy Wheeler, was on Pod Save America after Helsinki describing how she put something big together, based on some little things an acquaintance had said and done, and went to the FBI. She's not saying what it is, but pointed out that dozens of people have probably done something similar, and ONLY Mueller's office knows what information the FBI has about the conspiracy.

There was a journalist a few threads back who was making sure people notice her so she doesn’t go missing.

Anyone remember her?

Molly Brown?

Rudy blaming 9/11 on Obama . . . and Hillary.

It'd be fun to poll the deplorables on this question: Was 9/11 during Obama's presidency?

I guarantee you the answers will of the "economic anxiety" correlation to racism, with 90%+ saying YES

Rudy today

"The number of meetings that did not take place is really infinitive, if you think about it."

Jeffrey Toobin

Woodward's book will come out two months before the midterms. Lovely. Woodward sometimes avoids drawing conclusions, but he will deliver well-substantiated and detailed dirt. I look forward to reading it.

Woodward's book will of course be An Event. Depending on what level of crisis Trump is then in - as the yellow waters of treason edge up to his nostrils - it'll be fascinating to see what hopeless attempts he makes to discredit the book.

Delicious it will be to see American folk hero Woodward, the man who helped break Watergate, address a scandal by magnitudes deeper and worse. Good luck desperately painting Woodward as a purveyor of 'fake news', Trumpy.

I don't know why the press doesn't boycott all White House events. If I were treated the way they are, I'd tell them to fuck off. I mean, it's not like they get any good answers from anyone there, anyway.

[quote] He probably hates Sessions for recusing himself.

He probably does, because I'm sure that Trump erroneously assumed that putting Sessions in as the AG would be key to burying the Russia probe. But that was just plain stupid. How he thought that the FBI would fold on this was ludicrous. I would love to know what was going on in that pea-brain of his for him to believe that firing Comey was going to solve the "Russher" problem -- as he told Lester Holt and the Russian ambassador and the Russian Foreign Minister (in the damn Oval Office). Astounding that he was that poorly informed about how the government works.

Giuliani was disappointed to learn that the title "If I Did It" was already taken.

This is Max Boot's column from yesterday evening in the Washington Post. Someone made this the subject of a separate thread, but I think it probably belongs here.

R507 Giuliani will tell you there's no fire even when his pants are burning from all the lying.

I'm not sure Bob Woodward's book will say anything new about the conspiracy with Russia or any other campaign malfeasance. From the Hill article it sounds like it's going to focus on the disorder among the White House staff, similar to Michael Wollf's book, whose title "Fire and Fury" it echoes alliteratively ("Fear").

I hope Woodward comes through, but I'm remembering the book he popped out during the war with Iraq, abut the Bush people and it was not his finest moment. He drank the Kool Aid if I recall.

From R507's link:

[quote] President Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Monday said the president’s legal team is preparing a “counter-report” to respond to any allegations that special counsel Robert Mueller makes in his expected report on the Russia probe, according to USA Today.

That should be interesting. It will probably look like every other effort that this bunch of nitwits bumbles into: a sixth-grade book report on a book that the author hasn't read. How are they preparing a "counter-report" when they have no clue as to what information Mueller has? Talk about astoundingly stupid. And, I'm sure it will be replete with the obligatory spelling and grammatical errors for which this White House has become so famous. Oh, and lies. Yes, it also will be filled with falsehoods, fabrications, and half-truths.

It is so absurd that Ghulianni kept insisting that a second meeting was leaked, yet no one had heard about the second meeting but him.

Bernie taught Hillary a thing or two. We are not all as conservative as Hillary. But now we have this vicious monster in the White House, put there by Vlad.

Trump this morning: Collusion is not a crime, but that doesn’t matter because there was No Collusion (except by Crooked Hillary and the Democrats)!

Every right-wing media source I've dipped into this morning has repeated the same line.

Trump the cunt needs his fucking Twitter taken away from him; sick of his God damn lies and attempts to divert attention.

Take him out now Mueller.

[quote]Bernie taught Hillary a thing or two. We are not all as conservative as Hillary. But now we have this vicious monster in the White House, put there by Vlad.

Why are you posting this bullshit lie? Hillary was not "conservative." In fact, her rating had her labeled as "Hard-Core LIberal," with the same score as Elizabeth Warren and just short of Sanders' score.

So, something like...

Collusion is not a crime : Trump :: Collusion is probably a crime : Crooked Hillary and the Democrats

?

Apparently even Breitbart this morning has an article about how Ghouliani keeps fucking up.

R484, I think Trump was referring to the two blocked phone calls Don Jr. made before and after the meeting. Or not.

Ha! Trump also went after the Koch Brothers this morning: "The globalist Koch Brothers, who have become a total joke in real Republican circles, are against Strong Borders and Powerful Trade ... Their network is highly overrated, I have beaten them at every turn."

Watch Fox and Breitbart follow suit.

R514 must be a borscht eating troll. Why else bring up Hillary when she hasn't been a part of this conversation?

I also remember when Bernie was out there not silencing his cultists as they shouted that a vote for Orange was better than a vote for Hillary. So you want to bitch about having a "vicious monster," then your boy Bernie gets to take some of that responsibility.

Ghouliani and Trump just run at the mouth, don’t they? The whole “dirt on the Clintons” teaser is just Trump not being able to keep his mouth shut; same with Ghouliani and the 2nd meeting - someone obviously mentioned it to him and he thinks he can show off and do a routine but he was likely never supposed to mention it. They’re both idiots.

now Trump is just trolling:

[quote]The Fake News Media is going CRAZY! They are totally unhinged and in many ways, after witnessing first hand the damage they do to so many innocent and decent people, I enjoy watching. In 7 years, when I am no longer in office, their ratings will dry up and they will be gone!

If it wasn't so serious, he would be getting tedious at this point (or well past tedious). He is repetitive, petty, unimaginative, and nowhere near as witty and clever as he thinks he is.

Giuliani next week: "Breaking the law is not actually a crime, you know."

R575, The Onion is morphing into reality.

(Yet) Another Low by Faux News:

Four minutes into last night’s program Tucker Carlson accused Maxine Waters of having caused the harassment of DHS Kristjen Nielsen at a Mexican Restaurant.

Small factual problem:

The “shame, shame” of Nielsen occurred on June 19.

Waters didn’t speak until June 25th.

The only Drumpf Derangement Syndrome is the syndrome of those who continue to lie and suck the shit out of that fat, orange, ass.

Why in the world do these morons say Hillary was conspiring with Putin? Was she trying to get the White House for Donald Dummy?

collusion is not a crime if trump did it, which he did not

collusion is a crime if hillary did it, which she did.

have i got that right?

It is an imaginary hoax at which my client was not present!

Whoa, Trump attacked the Koch Brothers this morning.

r521, r532.

R532, it's like a stage play, smoke and mirrors to distract the citizens and press and deflect criticism while they continue to plunder the country. Come election time the Republicans will make nice-nice on whatever minor issue is in the news and happily support each other and vote GOP.

That's a paraphrase of something I read on Reddit, but it seems right to me.

Yeah, the conservative Republican owned media will come up with some really important issue the Republicans can use for their campaigns.

The Conservative media (and it goes far beyond FNC and Breitbart) will bring up ISIS again or MS 13 to scare people.

Rudy is like, I can't even wrap my head around his mumblings and leaking in real time. There is something really wrong with him.

The whole Trump regime is a deliberate shit-show to exhaust and overwhelm the audience not knowing where and on who to focus.

[quote]Trump this morning: Collusion is not a crime, but that doesn’t matter because there was No Collusion

Similarly, he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it, because he's Donald Trump. It wouldn't be a crime, because he's 'popular.'

[quote]The Fake News Media is going CRAZY! They are totally unhinged and in many ways, after witnessing first hand the damage they do to so many innocent and decent people, I enjoy watching. In 7 years, when I am no longer in office, their ratings will dry up and they will be gone!

He enjoys watching 'damage' to innocent people. It's 'fake news', but his last sentence admits ratings are good. An obvious conflict for one obsessed by popularity. He's fabulous, but the media lies about him, and still does well. Donald, it's because no-one has ever seen a bigger human train-wreck, and we can't look away.

And he really thinks the media will end when he goes? Add delusion to collusion. Saner people have spent their lives in padded cells.

Exactly, r537. Is anybody focusing on things like.....the separated children....or Puerto Rico....or....

A U.S. senator known for her outspoken criticism of Russian President Vladimir Putin was hit with a bizarre impersonation attempt by someone hoping to get inside information on American sanctions targeting Russia, according to emails and an audio recording obtained by The Daily Beast.

Ryan Nickel, a spokesman for Shaheen, told The Daily Beast that staffers in her Senate office frequently receive hoax emails and phishing attempts on their official email accounts. They shared the more troubling ones, including the approach by the fake Latvian, with law enforcement officials.

Clinton, through her political organization Onward Together, donated the maximum of $5,000 to 19 Democratic House candidates and four secretary of state candidates in June, according to the group's filings with the Federal Election Commission. The donations represent the most concentrated midterm effort the former Democratic presidential nominee has made to date and further thrust Clinton into an election that will be the most potent judgment on Trump since he defeated her two years earlier.

Another example of Trump's poor judgments... letting an over-the-hill Giuliani be his attorney and spokesman. He can't even keep his story straight... much less defend another liar who also can't keep his lies consistent. I mean, this farce is the stuff of dark comedy if it weren't so criminal and damaging to this country.

The Koch Bros are pro-illegal immigration because it swells Koch Industries profits and their personal profits. They want cheap labor and more consumers.

They are also polluters for profit. They oppose any environmental regulation standing in their way.

Because Trump has criticized the Kochs doesn't mean the Kochs are now saintly. It is the Kochs that created the circumstances that allowed Trump to emerge.

[quote]Because Trump has criticized the Kochs doesn't mean the Kochs are now saintly.

I think we're all well aware of that. We just appreciate Republican infighting.

Hillary looks refreshed in that picture R541.

There Goes My Treason for Living

Yours is Not to Treason Why

Traitors Gonna Hate

It's the Time of the Treason

Plant You Now, Dig You Traitor

The Kochs, like all Cheap Labor Conservatives, love illegal immigration. Their ilk have caused the huge number of illegals in this country starting in the 80's. Dump is also a Cheap Labor Conservative trying to now rail against the very thing he has profited from.

I loved the "I'll Plant My Own Treason", but mainly because of the visual: Helen Lawson's body with Donald Trump's head,.

Valley of the Trolls?

[quote]It's the Time of the Treason

That was the title two threads ago.

Traitors Gonna Trait

I hope Woodward’s book is a textbook example of a “kick ‘em when they’re down” sort of thing.

It would be kind of full-circle if the two journalistic heroes of Watergate, Woodward and Bernstein, were instrumental in bringing down Trump. (For anyone not following closely, Carl Bernstein has co-authored a lot of big stories about the Russian investigation, including the first breaking story about the Steele Dossier in January2017).

Hope the Woodward book will be a nail in the coffin.

I want to see #VeryStableGenius going on a crazy tweetrampage about "the failing Bob Woodward".

Treason, We Have A Problem.

Bernstein appears a lot on CNN these days. I'm sure that will enrage Cheeto even more.

[quote] Another example of Trump's poor judgments... letting an over-the-hill Giuliani be his attorney and spokesman. He can't even keep his story straight... much less defend another liar who also can't keep his lies consistent. I mean, this farce is the stuff of dark comedy if it weren't so criminal and damaging to this country.

Whom does he have left? Not even Lionel Hutz would go that low. That Old Gray Mayor Just Ain't What He Used To Be.

How about "The fruit of the treason of knowledge of good and evil"

All the Fake President's Treason

All We Are Saying Is Give Treason A Chance

A Family That Treasons Together Stays Together

We had joy, we had fun, we had treasons in the sun.

After all Bernstein's work on this issue, and now Woodward's book, I hope Dustin Hoffman and Robert Redford will come out with a sequel to "All the President's Men," dramatizing the post-Watergate development of American politics from the vantage point of this sorry moment. Trump can play himself, once he's (hopefully) unemployed and broke.

A Treason in the Son.

[quote]Traitors Gonna Hate

Ecsqueeze me?

Atoners, Senator, Treason!

Um, how did this thread devolve into a word game?

The Treasoning House

Rhino (RINO?) Treason

Strip-Treason

Why is it that so many of the people offering thread titles (most of them not clever at all) have no history in these threads?

Regarding FB.....

If we pool our funds together, perhaps we could purchase this painting.

Oh god, I think your post killed me R571. Yup, looked at the painting and am now dead.

R569 I thought they were trying to get this thread to 600 so we would get a new one sooner.

R514, how are Hillary’s policies different from Obama’s?

Hillary's policies were to the left of Obama's, and furthermore she is far to the left of Sanders when it comes to civil rights, gay rights, women's rights, disability rights... And the list goes fucking on. Sanders is not "left" of Clinton whatsoever.

The Treason That Keeps On Giving.

Oh FFS, call it Bajour for all I care.....

r571, clicked on the artists link so you don't have to

[quote]List of figures from left to right: Nikki Haley, James Mattis, Ben Carson, President Trump, Jeff Sessions, Mike Pence, Melania Trump, Mike Pompeo, Sarah Sanders, Ivanka Trump, John Bolton, Kellyanne Conway, John Kelly

MY BODY IS READY.

For the inevitable movie about the Trump presidency, I'd like to see a complete unknown in the lead. Talk about your star is born roles.

Why are media talking heads--out of nowhere--saying the Manafort trial starting today is a big test for Mueller and, well, you never know, gosh, the jury could let Manafort off because it only takes one juror?!?

With the right hair and make up I can see Alfred Molina as the definitive Trump. He does a perfect American accent and his voice timbre is identical to Trump’s.

R581 I heard that earlier this morning. That it's "crucial" to Mueller because if he doesn't get a win it will make everyone believe this really is a witch hunt!!!

R582 Molina is a good pick! I thought maybe Tom Wilkinson.

Mark Strong for Avenatti.

No, how about a naked Avenatti for Avenatti?

Obama and Biden made a surprise joint appearance at a deli yesterday for an event to support military veterans--cool.

Treasons in the Sun would be a cool title for early August.

R585 That's a better suggestion!

Jason Statham for the Avenatti part. He will just have to work on his acting.

Link to new thread for when this one maxes out.

Follow the money.

I've started a thread for movie casting discussion, if anyone is interested:

Ha! R571 Like Melania and Ivanka would ever submit to getting into a grungy boat in tight dresses and with their stilleto heels. And Trump wouldn’t be there unless there was a gold toilet and two scoops of ice cream.

That painting linked to in 571 needs a cruiser yacht with a hundreds of blue-suited lawyers bearing documents, and a warship containing thousands of angry people negatively affected by 45's policies.

Jeff Toobin (CNN) claims there will be a "report" and not an indictment of Trump. The Republicans in Congress and Fox news will declare the report biased and faked content, and prepared by Democrats. Rudy and Kellyanne will spin, lie, and blame Hillary and Obama. Trump will declare the witch-hunt over, and fire Sessions, Rosenstein, etc., and declare victory.

I hope this is wrong. Toobin has gotten annoying.

Don't bother Let the Troll spout his Bernie nonsense. He's talking about St. Bernie the Authentic! The man who voted in favor of Wall Street Deregulation. The man who voted against immigration reform. (He was on Lou Dobbs talking about his concern for the American worker and explained he was trying to protect their jobs...so when he had a chance to protect American jobs, he voted against Obama's auto industry bailout, the one that saved an entire industry from bankruptcy. He has consistently voted against every single attempt to secure reasonable gun safety reforms. Instead he voted FOR legislation that prohibited lawsuits against gun manufacturers. In fact his support of the NRA was pretty vigorous. Above and beyond in some cases. Now of course he went literally running after the Parkland Students and the March for Our Lives rally in D.C so he could proclaim his support for reforms. LOL! And he looked real ridiculous. He actively tried to sabotage the Affordable Care Act several times including introducing his own counter legislation. In more than 30 years as a member of Congress there is NOT ONE PIECE OF LEGISLATION with his name on it. Unless you count naming post offices.

In an effort to convince Mueller that President Trump did not obstruct justice, the president’s attorneys have argued that the president could not have broken the law because the president did not know that Flynn was under criminal investigation when he pressured Comey to go easy on Flynn.

Trump’s attorneys have pursued this line of argument with the special counsel because perjury and obstruction cases depend largely on whether a prosecutor can demonstrate the intent and motivation of the person they want to charge. It’s not enough to prove that the person under investigation attempted to impede an ongoing criminal investigation; the statute requires a prosecutor to prove that the person did so with the corrupt intent to protect either himself or someone else from prosecution.

If, therefore, Trump understood the legal jeopardy that Flynn faced, that would demonstrate such intent—and make for a much stronger case for obstruction against the president. Conversely, if Trump believed that Flynn was no longer under criminal investigation, or had been cleared, the president could not have had corrupt intent. But previously undisclosed evidence indicates just the opposite—that President Trump was fully informed that Flynn was the target of prosecutors.

I have learned that a confidential White House memorandum, which is in the special counsel’s possession, explicitly states that when Trump pressured Comey he had just been told by two of his top aides—his then chief of staff Reince Priebus and his White House counsel Don McGahn—that Flynn was under criminal investigation. This memo, the existence of which I first disclosed in December in Foreign Policy, was, as one source described it to me, “a timeline of events [in the White House] leading up to Flynn’s resignation.” It was dated February 15, 2017, and was prepared by McGahn two days after Flynn’s forced resignation and one day after Trump’s meeting with Comey. As I reported, research for the memo was “primarily conducted by John Eisenberg, the deputy counsel to the president and legal adviser to the National Security Council,” who, in turn, was “assisted by James Burnham, another White House counsel staff member.”

During my reporting, I was allowed to read the memo in its entirety, as well as other, underlying White House records quoted in the memo, such as notes and memos written by McGahn and other senior administration officials. My reporting for this story is also based on interviews with a dozen former and current White House officials, attorneys who have interacted with Mueller’s team of investigators, and witnesses questioned by Mueller’s investigators.

In arguing in their January 29 letter that Trump did not obstruct justice, the president’s attorneys Dowd and Sekulow quoted selectively from this same memo, relying only on a few small portions of it. They also asserted that even if Trump knew there had been an FBI investigation of Flynn, Trump believed that Flynn had been cleared. Full review of the memo flatly contradicts this story.

The memo’s own statement that Trump was indeed told that Flynn was under FBI investigation was, in turn, based in part on contemporaneous notes written by Reince Priebus after discussing the matter with the president, as well as McGahn’s recollections to his staff about what he personally had told Trump, according to other records I was able to review. Moreover, people familiar with the matter have told me that both Priebus and McGahn have confirmed in separate interviews with the special counsel that they had told Trump that Flynn was under investigation by the FBI before he met with Comey.

^^ This is a long read but also contains a "sequence of events" timeline which is important.

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Closing this thread out.

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Bajour

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