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**WEST 40s** Stay Calm. The pilot's been posted on YouTube.

The moment we've all been waiting for has finally arrived.

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by Anonymousreply 600September 30, 2018 4:01 PM

STOP CREATING MULTIPLE THREADS ABOUT THIS TOPIC

by Anonymousreply 1July 12, 2018 5:04 PM

Nellie bitching gossipy queens!

Just what America needs in the Trump era.

by Anonymousreply 2July 12, 2018 5:06 PM

Only 13 minutes long?

I was expecting at least a half hour.

by Anonymousreply 3July 12, 2018 5:24 PM

Anyway - one mystery has been solved.

The guy on the train's name is Cooper Koch.

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by Anonymousreply 4July 12, 2018 5:27 PM

[Quote] STOP CREATING MULTIPLE THREADS ABOUT THIS TOPIC

[Bold] I did a search and I don't see any threads about this topic so......... CALM FUCKING DOWN, MAVIS/R1 !!!! SHEEEEEEEEEEEESH!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 5July 12, 2018 5:28 PM

We couldn't film a full 30 minutes after most of the Kickstarter money went to HK whores.

by Anonymousreply 6July 12, 2018 5:29 PM

This is why I hate us.

by Anonymousreply 7July 12, 2018 5:31 PM

Very derivative. Very Boys In the Band...(even down to buying the birthday boy a whore for his birthday) meets Sex And The City

by Anonymousreply 8July 12, 2018 5:38 PM

It’s like The Muppets in the Band, those sneering thin lipped and face challenged oldsters are tragic, worse than expected as it’s a bore, not even bad in a good way. Sad!

by Anonymousreply 9July 12, 2018 5:41 PM

[quote]worse than expected as it’s a bore, not even bad in a good way.

I agree.

by Anonymousreply 10July 12, 2018 5:47 PM

Cooper had trouble with his skin.

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by Anonymousreply 11July 12, 2018 5:52 PM

The dialogue is the epitome of "trying too hard". Must every character always deliver one-liners and 'zingers'? It doesn't come across as people having a conversation. I also don't understand the premise that being 45 is equivalent to being 90 and in a retirement home.

by Anonymousreply 12July 12, 2018 6:23 PM

Wow, I made it through 2:43 and had to bail (and part of that was the opener and credits which I'd already seen and skipped over). The black guy might actually have some sort of cerebral palsy thing or maybe a previous stroke?

And the gollum... he just gets uglier. No. Can't do it.

by Anonymousreply 13July 12, 2018 7:05 PM

There was more mugging in that pilot than ALL of the entire The Little Rascals Blu-Ray Collection.

by Anonymousreply 14July 12, 2018 7:10 PM

Umm, that drag queen? Did they pull it out of a dumpster fire?

by Anonymousreply 15July 12, 2018 7:14 PM

I thought the waiter who was linked in the last thread, looked very cute in this.

by Anonymousreply 16July 12, 2018 7:33 PM

Yeah, WTF with the drag queen?

by Anonymousreply 17July 12, 2018 7:34 PM

I pulled myself together and watched the rest of it.

Brutal. Just brutal. Who wrote this shit? I mean, most gays these days have shit taste so this will probably fly with many of them, but this is sub-high school play level. Really awful. People, there are so many better web series out there.

by Anonymousreply 18July 12, 2018 7:37 PM

Well,Ive seen worse,just not lately. Ill watch it again,I like the orange plaid guy and the black guy,as well as the "daddy',but my god Luis sucked. An actor he isnt. Nor is Miss Sam,her schtick will get old quick.

by Anonymousreply 19July 12, 2018 8:05 PM

Horribly written and badly acted. There has got to be some queen out there that knows how to write gay characters that are interesting.

by Anonymousreply 20July 12, 2018 8:24 PM

GURL, NO!

by Anonymousreply 21July 12, 2018 8:36 PM

Well, I have something else to add to the "Scenes That Make You Cringe in Embarrassment For Actors" thread.

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by Anonymousreply 22July 12, 2018 8:37 PM

New York is OVAH!!!

by Anonymousreply 23July 12, 2018 8:38 PM

I find this about as interesting as I find people who obsess over their age.

Everything in this show is a cliché — from the characters, to their problems, themes and jokes. Hustlers? Check. Catty showqueens? Check. Corny "Old Man With a Bad Back" slapstick? Check. Gay fathers? Check THE BIRDCAGE, LA CAGE AUX FOLLES, PRISCILLA: QUEEN OF THE DESERT, etc.

And that theme song! Quacked out by the Eldergay Showqueen Chorus!

If I go to hell, that's what they'll be playing while I burn.

by Anonymousreply 24July 12, 2018 8:58 PM

Luis has Hamburger Face.

by Anonymousreply 25July 12, 2018 8:59 PM

Why do they always think we want supernelly queens for gay comedy?

by Anonymousreply 26July 12, 2018 9:00 PM

It's the same as the thing as people being amused by "ditsy" females with silly shrill voices - people think they're funny for some reason.

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by Anonymousreply 27July 12, 2018 9:06 PM

This is nowhere near as bad as you bitter cunts are making out. They need to work on their comic timing though.

by Anonymousreply 28July 12, 2018 9:07 PM

R9 if it’s Muppets in the Band, then Dataloungers are Statler and Waldorf.

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by Anonymousreply 29July 12, 2018 9:09 PM

The sad thing is that there's many elder gays exactly like this - chasing guys in their 20s instead of people their own age. Their emotionally stunted. What are they going to do when they're 60 and and no-one will touch them?

by Anonymousreply 30July 12, 2018 9:15 PM

[quote]This is nowhere near as bad as you bitter cunts are making out.

I think it is, actually.

[quote]They need to work on their comic timing though.

Considering the whole thing is supposed to be a comedy, that covers the full 13 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 31July 12, 2018 9:15 PM

They're emotionally stunted*

by Anonymousreply 32July 12, 2018 9:16 PM

No, they don't have any comic WRITING.

It doesn't matter how fast they deliver these lamisms -- they're still PEDESTRIAN.

by Anonymousreply 33July 12, 2018 9:22 PM

Yeah, r30.

Do 40something gays really hang out at the club chasing 20somethings every week still? Maybe I'm a shut-in, but I pretty much stopped clubbing in my mid-30s. Not a heavy drinker.

by Anonymousreply 34July 12, 2018 9:25 PM

I cant rly tell if its bad just seeing the pilot, a bit boring maybe. I have to say though, they always the same "settings" when making these. High pitch fake voices, coffee shops, drag queens, go go boys and fake drama.

by Anonymousreply 35July 12, 2018 9:42 PM

It's very disappointing. It's not even funny bad. It's totally immature. Like some teenager wrote it.

by Anonymousreply 36July 12, 2018 9:47 PM

Yeah. I want to say to Mark Sam 'GROW THE FUCK UP!"

This isn't about 40 somethings not accepting middle age, it's about someone who never grew up.

He was given an opportunity with this and he's blown it.

by Anonymousreply 37July 12, 2018 9:51 PM

[quote]Why do they always think we want supernelly queens for gay comedy?

Maybe after decades of seeing straight writers use that trope over and over again they feel like they are supposed to?

by Anonymousreply 38July 12, 2018 9:54 PM

So many mistakes, they never truly introduce the characters, “TJ” is immediately annoying, tragic camera angles, at least the lighting is acceptable at times. It’s worst crime to me is it NEVER feels like, or celebrates Hell’s Kitchen/New York, never shows you why there desperate fossils would still trudge it through to be in Manhattan, it might as well be West 40’s Nebraska. The lines have mothballs, the clothes are something out of my Aunt Nancy’s attic and Mark Sam Rosenthal is as expected exhausting to watch, he’s like Baby On Board sign on meth, those hand spasms are so amateur. Really bad, and NO, they don’t “get credit” for “doing something creative” because it’s not creative at all, boring and stillborn as a concept. My only entertainment was watching the black fatty gasp or breath before every line and the giant with the baby teeth bug those Ewok eyes out.

by Anonymousreply 39July 12, 2018 9:57 PM

I've seen worse but this is nowhere as tightly written and plotted as "Where the Bears Are".

I do have a serious question though. I've never been to Hell's Kitchen so.. "is there really private lap dancing in curtained rooms?".

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by Anonymousreply 40July 12, 2018 9:57 PM

Seems like the most fun we're ever going to have with this we've already had on the old thread.

by Anonymousreply 41July 12, 2018 10:15 PM

The cast isn't quite what the characters are supposed to be. The 20yo lap dancer looks 30. The guy having a trauma turning 40 looks late 40's. The "hot young waiter" is meh looking and mid 30's at least. All the 40 yo look to be pushing 50. Maybe HK ages guys differently, what do I know.

etc etc etc.

by Anonymousreply 42July 12, 2018 10:20 PM

None of those guys are even close to 40. Should have been called West 50's.

by Anonymousreply 43July 12, 2018 10:21 PM

Gentlemen, this is not War and Peace. It's a sitcom about mostly single gay men of middle age. Of course it's all about sex ! I thought the first episode was cute and funny. The cute young guys who served as window dressing were also a lot of fun. Hopefully that will continue.

To those young men in their twenties who resent the fact that they have to compete with older guys for the young cuties: Get over it ! All of the hot stuff in the room doesn't belong to you !

by Anonymousreply 44July 12, 2018 10:29 PM

R4 Cooper is also the grandson of Hawt Coch, who was once the president of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences!

by Anonymousreply 45July 12, 2018 10:42 PM

It's the other way around, R44.

by Anonymousreply 46July 12, 2018 10:46 PM

This was awful. I couldn't get through a few minutes.

But the part where they used their iphone lights to read the menu hit really close to home. Ouch.

by Anonymousreply 47July 12, 2018 10:52 PM

I lasted until 6:26. i won't revisit but I'm glad a bunch of average middle aged guys found what for them was probably a fun project while it lasted.

by Anonymousreply 48July 12, 2018 11:27 PM

Am I the only one that thought it was cute? For those that gave up early, it gets its stride about half way through.

It’s not masterpiece theater for god’s sake, it’s a youtube show on a three-digit budget.

by Anonymousreply 49July 13, 2018 12:06 AM

Disappointment, sad it was so “meh”, it felt like watching gay oldsters in HK 2006, not fun.

by Anonymousreply 50July 13, 2018 12:14 AM

How did it cost over $20,000 on Kickstarter?!

by Anonymousreply 51July 13, 2018 12:23 AM

Have to wonder how much were the music rights for that last song?

by Anonymousreply 52July 13, 2018 12:31 AM

They should have ended it with the song they sang at the beginning. The end song they used was totally blah.

by Anonymousreply 53July 13, 2018 12:47 AM

[quote]How did it cost over $20,000 on Kickstarter?!

Apparently they've filmed more - this is just the first episode.

from the YouTube page >>>>

[quote]Funny, but I hope it's not going to be all men in their 40s lusting after twinks.

[quote]We're just getting started...stay tuned for more!

by Anonymousreply 54July 13, 2018 12:50 AM

Everything ! is so exclamatory !!! about the shilling !!!! of this project ! So upbeat and !!BRAINDEAD!!! A critic could say - "the first episode was artless and worse, dreary" and the shills would respond: "You're going to LOVE the next ep!! It's out of this world!"

by Anonymousreply 55July 13, 2018 12:55 AM

"Sadly, while I was watching your show, my cat fell out the window and died."

"Be sure to come back to watch the hilarious end! And next week is EVEN ZANIER!"

by Anonymousreply 56July 13, 2018 12:58 AM

Did you ever read those letters from hotel general managers on Trip Advisor, when they respond to complaints about heinous horrors in hospitality?

That's what this sounds like.

by Anonymousreply 57July 13, 2018 1:00 AM

It was brightly lit, filmed I assume with a smartphone, and edited with whichever freeware program is now most popular. I'm sure they all had fun.

by Anonymousreply 58July 13, 2018 1:06 AM

They are so young!

by Anonymousreply 59July 13, 2018 1:12 AM

So Cooper Koch is from Southern California, owns a PR firm, but went to New York instead??? Oh fuck you very much traitor.

btw he's 6'1" and wears size 12 shoes.

by Anonymousreply 60July 13, 2018 1:16 AM

Gurl, no.

The internet seems to have muddled him with this guy:

Cooper Smith Koch

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by Anonymousreply 61July 13, 2018 1:18 AM

I thought it was boring. I would have liked for the characters to have an actual conversation with eachother. And there's no defining traits aside from their sex lives.

Also, yes the, theme song is horrible.

by Anonymousreply 62July 13, 2018 2:40 AM

You're gonna LURV next week, R62! Great conversations and FUN, too!

by Anonymousreply 63July 13, 2018 2:43 AM

I've canceled all my appointments for next week in delicious anticipation.

by Anonymousreply 64July 13, 2018 2:45 AM

I had to bail at like 2 min in, my self love didn't let me go on with that torture.

by Anonymousreply 65July 13, 2018 2:46 AM

WTF? It's only 15 minutes long? That's not an episode that's a PSA.

Lame as fuck

by Anonymousreply 66July 13, 2018 2:48 AM

[quote] And there's no defining traits aside from their sex lives.

Just like real gay men!

by Anonymousreply 67July 13, 2018 2:52 AM

It has potential. I will watch the second episode before giving up on it. BUT: they're stressing about being 40? Seriously?!? That is so fucking lame. 40 is hardly considered over the hill these days. Also, it has to show why such disparate guys are friends in the first place; I didn't see any camaraderie amongst them at all, nor did I see the comfort and ease that would be visible with a group of good friends. And, yes, there has to be conversations, not just stupid quips.

by Anonymousreply 68July 13, 2018 2:57 AM

Oh, Christ you people!

It was fine. Semi-on-the-nose gay shenanigans and I giggled a few times. Stop acting as if it were so offensive t o your poppered up pleasure centers!

by Anonymousreply 69July 13, 2018 3:07 AM

It was beyond trite. So much effort. Very little pay off.

by Anonymousreply 70July 13, 2018 3:08 AM

R69 I WISH it had been offensive, maybe then it would've been funny and not lame.

by Anonymousreply 71July 13, 2018 3:22 AM

Scandalous!

None of those idiots have been 40 in more than a decade. What a farce. I bet those poor young actors were harassed by those lecherous queens.

by Anonymousreply 72July 13, 2018 3:23 AM

R4, the beauty effect photoshop is all over that image. Not even close in motion. The eye sparkle is enhanced. As someone said on the recent cat clawing original thread " his eyes are dead". Completely agree. His real eyes are so flat.

by Anonymousreply 73July 13, 2018 3:42 AM

R57, using it. WW

by Anonymousreply 74July 13, 2018 3:55 AM

WOW so lame, who's the fraus now, bitches?!

by Anonymousreply 75July 13, 2018 3:59 AM

@ 5:10 started sweating

Sorry @ 6:48, shut that shit down. Just can't. That old hamburger face drag queen is simply tragic. Traumatizing. Feel so sorry for it. Like mentioned above, self love

by Anonymousreply 76July 13, 2018 4:09 AM

I've gotta get outta here. Motivated to tackle the litter box, though.

by Anonymousreply 77July 13, 2018 4:11 AM

I feel bad for some of these actors. They were handed shit and it made them look like shit. The one who was wearing too much makeup is a terrific actor but not in this trainwreck. How did this happen? Did someone’s ego get in the way of receiving any outside feedback? What an embarrassment.

by Anonymousreply 78July 13, 2018 4:15 AM

I did giggle when the twink kept smiling at the not-quite-yet eldergay cruising him on the train and then stood up and approached him saying "Would you like my seat, sir?" Maybe I missed an intended double entendre but it didn't seem so, so a lost opportunity. At any rate, I lasted another five or six minutes.

by Anonymousreply 79July 13, 2018 4:24 AM

I laughed, a little bit with it, a lot at it. It's such a throwback - like an early gay web series - nothing has changed in terms of acting, production, formula, character types etc. Anybody with an ounce of knowledge of gay life and gay sterotypes could have written this.

by Anonymousreply 80July 13, 2018 4:53 AM

[quote] at the not-quite-yet eldergay c

50 is no eldergay ?????

by Anonymousreply 81July 13, 2018 5:14 AM

YES, Mark Sam @ r49!

You're the only one who thought it was cute!

by Anonymousreply 82July 13, 2018 5:19 AM

There is no need for another second with these tragic characters. 49th & Failure is the correct address for TJ and team.

by Anonymousreply 83July 13, 2018 6:40 AM

"This is why I hate us."

This surely predates the webseries.

by Anonymousreply 84July 13, 2018 7:20 AM

16th & 8th was better.

by Anonymousreply 85July 13, 2018 7:46 AM

10th and 6th was even better still.

Seriously, I didn't hate it. It wasn't THAT bad.

by Anonymousreply 86July 13, 2018 8:19 AM

A lot of you queens speak that same 21st century/internet-inflected slanguage. That's the thing I liked least.

by Anonymousreply 87July 13, 2018 8:20 AM

[quote]A lot of you queens speak that same 21st century/internet-inflected slanguage. That's the thing I liked least

No one cares what queens like you thought about it or anything, quite frankly.

by Anonymousreply 88July 13, 2018 8:27 AM

Yeah, well, that's what we do here, cuntessa. So get over yourself.

by Anonymousreply 89July 13, 2018 8:35 AM

The raves are pouring in!

"It was fine" - r69 "So much effort" - r60 "What a farce" -r72 "I laughed" - r80 "No one cares what queens like you thought" - r88

by Anonymousreply 90July 13, 2018 1:07 PM

It’s tragic that the whole build up with all the fantastic bitchery and snark was for something so boring, but it’s Mark Sam after all, a real bush leaguer.

by Anonymousreply 91July 13, 2018 2:10 PM

What's wrong with the balding fat one with the picnic shirt and the permanent pout, is he mentally challenged?

by Anonymousreply 92July 13, 2018 2:31 PM

R92, with the terrifying baby teeth? I actually feel like he and the black fatty are special needs and are being exploited in this endeavor.

by Anonymousreply 93July 13, 2018 2:37 PM

The only website to link it, is Towleroad...no review and a bunch of lame comments underneath. Unlike DLers, they don't cut to they chase.

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by Anonymousreply 94July 13, 2018 3:01 PM

sorry - THE chase.

by Anonymousreply 95July 13, 2018 3:02 PM

I didn't like it but I kind of wondered what would happen next. I don't think I can watch it though. It's too painful watching those old men insist they are 40.

by Anonymousreply 96July 13, 2018 3:25 PM

Mark Sam is a nice person.

by Anonymousreply 97July 13, 2018 3:43 PM

Th fat black guy and the baby teeth white guy are the only funny ones. Perhaps they can take over the show like Urkel I and Urkel II.

by Anonymousreply 98July 13, 2018 3:48 PM

Baby Teeth and Black Chub are the ONLY ones Id want to see again.Well,and Daddy too,but only because hes my type.Ill watch again,but I certainly hope it gets funnier.

by Anonymousreply 99July 13, 2018 4:00 PM

They should just reframe the entire show to be about Baby Teeth. He's the only character with a spark. Also, it's clear that guy is the only professional actor in the entire production: he takes the horrible script and delivers it in a natural way, and he even elevates it in a couple spots with his choices as an actor.

by Anonymousreply 100July 13, 2018 4:09 PM

I couldn't understand half of what BabyTeeth said. He mumbles too much.

by Anonymousreply 101July 13, 2018 4:22 PM

That's his shtick, R101. It will be famous when he is New Urkel.

by Anonymousreply 102July 13, 2018 4:28 PM

So outdated, anachronistic.

Wants to be like one of those really bad straight to video gay films of the late 90s but looks and sounds even worse.

mark Sam is a fugly clown who insists he's the handsome leading man

by Anonymousreply 103July 13, 2018 4:29 PM

I'd rather watch this- it's more believable

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by Anonymousreply 104July 13, 2018 4:31 PM

Horrible!

by Anonymousreply 105July 13, 2018 4:34 PM

In what way is it outdated, R103?

by Anonymousreply 106July 13, 2018 4:34 PM

No nonbinaries in it, R106.

by Anonymousreply 107July 13, 2018 4:36 PM

Did you see the yellow rotary phone on the wall in the kitchen with the long cord, R106?

by Anonymousreply 108July 13, 2018 4:40 PM

I applaud their effort. It takes a lot of time, determination and money to make something like this happen. However, I am disappointed that my low expectations were confirmed. The tone of this is certainly not my taste - campy, overly dramatic and faux-salacious, but even if it were, it's not even a good representation of what it's trying to be. It's cliche' and tired. The writing isn't intelligent or a layered, and doesn't make the viewer think about the real issues that gay men in their 40s truly face. It's a shame that it's not better. The creators and the viewers deserve it to be.

by Anonymousreply 109July 13, 2018 4:41 PM

[R106] Outdated because it only represents a tiny fraction of the LGBTQ community in NYC.

Any diversity is tokenized.

I get that Hell's Kitchen is full of aspirational not quite old/older white gays but this look is more indicative of the late 90's chelsea.

by Anonymousreply 110July 13, 2018 4:43 PM

Camp happens organically, you can't force it.

by Anonymousreply 111July 13, 2018 4:43 PM

I don't think it's supposed to represent LGBTQ anything since it's about gay men it represents gay men... sort of.

Still can't watch it.

by Anonymousreply 112July 13, 2018 4:44 PM

I will watch the next episode, but I do find it tiresome that the only thing they seem to want or talk about is sex, sex, sex, and, oh, sex. I hate to think that is an accurate representation of any group, other than 14 year old boys.

by Anonymousreply 113July 13, 2018 4:51 PM

[R113} It's a very accurate depiction of what it's like to be anywhere near Mark Sam.

Talks about sex as if he invented it and is the only one who's lucky enough to get it.

by Anonymousreply 114July 13, 2018 5:04 PM

Also, I'm not posting this to anger the elder gays but to the people saying that being in your 40s doesn't mean you old... it does. Take this from a 29 year old i.e. not one of your age group, hell *I'M* probably starting to be considered middle aged.

When you're in your 40s you should have your shit together i.e. good job, LTR/married, house etc etc. It's not cute to be in your 40s renting a shit-hole apartment, hitting the scene every night and chasing men that are *HALF* your age.

by Anonymousreply 115July 13, 2018 5:13 PM

That's life for most gay men of that age, R115.

by Anonymousreply 116July 13, 2018 5:24 PM

r115 I'm almost your age (27) and c'mon 40 isn't that old, problem here is that these guys are closer to 50 than 40's. I have a 39 y.o brother and he's nothing like these people, not able to climb some ladders? Maybe 20 years ago 40 was old, but things changed now, some women are having kids at 40's without no one batting an eyelash. And at 30 middle age? wtf are you talking about.

I completely agree with your second paragraph tough.

Just for reference, John Mayer is 40 years old, would you call him old?

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by Anonymousreply 117July 13, 2018 5:26 PM

I'm 45, living in NYC and would love to fuck/date/marry any man my age or older but they all want to chase around 25 year olds while wearing ill-fitting speedos holding vodka cranberries.

Sick of hearing "I'm into younger guys"

by Anonymousreply 118July 13, 2018 5:31 PM

R117 I mean he certainly isn't young! And yes 30 is the start of being middle-aged. Long gone are the youthful years of university etc 30 = you're focusing on your career, potentially settling down, getting married etc

by Anonymousreply 119July 13, 2018 5:44 PM

R118 I sympathise. I imagine the majority of men at that age are single because they're emotionally stunted and just aren't suitable for a relationship. At least you're finding out right off the bat when they tell you they're chasing guys in their 20s!

by Anonymousreply 120July 13, 2018 5:47 PM

r119 That doesn't define middle age tough, you can settle down at 22 and you wouldn't be a middle aged men because of that.

[quote] According to the Oxford English Dictionary middle age is between 45 and 65:[2] "The period between early adulthood and old age, usually considered as the years from about 45 to 65." The US Census lists the category middle age from 45 to 65. Merriam-Webster lists middle age from 45 to 64,[3] while prominent psychologist Erik Erikson saw it starting a little earlier and defines middle adulthood as between 40 and 65. The Collins English Dictionary lists it between the ages of 40 and 60,[4] and the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders – the standard diagnostic manual of the American Psychiatric Association – used to define middle age as 40 to 60, but as of DSM-IV (1994) revised the definition upwards to 45 to 65.

18 years old to 40 years old is considered young adulthood.

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by Anonymousreply 121July 13, 2018 5:51 PM

This feels like the show they have wanted to do for the last 20-25 years and finally can (cheaper digital production equipment, crowdfunding). Except it’s the show that’s been on ice for 25 years.

by Anonymousreply 122July 13, 2018 5:54 PM

R121 Nobody considers men just under 40 as "young adults". You are one deluded dude.

by Anonymousreply 123July 13, 2018 5:56 PM

r123 That's what the link I posted say, man, i take you didn't even read it. Tell that to the Oxford English Dictionary, doctors, psychiatrists, etc that defined that as middle age.

by Anonymousreply 124July 13, 2018 6:02 PM

R123 I think you're the deluded one, my "dude" .

[quote] The young adult stage in human development usually refers to age 20 to 39. A person in the middle adulthood stage ages from around age 40 to 64. In old age, a person is 65 years old or older.

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by Anonymousreply 125July 13, 2018 6:10 PM

40 is the old side of young. 50 is the young side of old. Matthew Montelongo please sit on my face.

by Anonymousreply 126July 13, 2018 6:18 PM

Wow r121 is gonna have a young time aging. Bet at 50 he will insist people say he’s 50 years young!!! How dare someone use the word “old” around him lol.

And yes John Mayer is old. He may look young but he’s old enough to have his shit together if he’s not a mess.

I’d take any old man who knows who he is then a 20 something who gets bent out of shape when people point out he’ll get old too.

by Anonymousreply 127July 13, 2018 6:31 PM

Way to ruin (yet another) thread, bores.

by Anonymousreply 128July 13, 2018 7:24 PM

John Mayer is a ripe delicious man at 40.

by Anonymousreply 129July 13, 2018 8:28 PM

I still remember when 30 was old.

by Anonymousreply 130July 13, 2018 8:31 PM

People still think 30 is old and make absolute judgements about it.

They're wrong, I don't respect them and I automatically don't sympathize with characters beholden to ageist myths from the outset.

by Anonymousreply 131July 13, 2018 8:34 PM

OK!..... HBO buys this, in an alternative universe. LET'S CAST IT.

I want Ryan Philippe. They can write a character - the old college buddy of one of them and he keeps his distance from them because he's still a STUD and gets it non-stop. He's a banker and A List Gay.

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by Anonymousreply 132July 13, 2018 8:38 PM

Ricky Martin as a bar owner, tired of the circus, wants a bourgeoise life but his superrich boyfriend (anderson cooper type - we never see) and he are on the rocks.

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by Anonymousreply 133July 13, 2018 8:44 PM

[R130] Dataloungers, let's welcome C&W recording artist Deana Carter to the thread!

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by Anonymousreply 134July 13, 2018 8:57 PM

Thank you, R134!

by Anonymousreply 135July 13, 2018 9:02 PM

CHEESY AF.

by Anonymousreply 136July 13, 2018 9:18 PM

Ugh. Not good in any way.

by Anonymousreply 137July 13, 2018 9:23 PM

Simply a non-starter of a completely tired concept, and BADLY cast as far as most of the “leads”, at best they’d have ONE LINE or a background eyeroll in any professional production. Of course this isn’t professional, it’s PROROSENTHAL, which is always overcooked, desperate and deluded. When will Mark Sam take a deep breath and accept he’s not a charming talent? His problem is being an ancient PA at Comedy Central has warped his ego filled brain into believing STARDOM is just a few subway stops away. Tragic.

by Anonymousreply 138July 13, 2018 9:29 PM

[R138} As someone who knows MARK SAM personally and no we are not friends, I applaud your posting. You've hit the nail on the head!

by Anonymousreply 139July 13, 2018 9:33 PM

Wait, is the world's oldest PA?

by Anonymousreply 140July 13, 2018 9:34 PM

More Mark gossip! Only heard of him cause he’s dating a guy I know.

by Anonymousreply 141July 13, 2018 9:36 PM

The world's oldest PA should be played by Matthew Broderick in the HBO Series.

by Anonymousreply 142July 13, 2018 9:37 PM

[R141} He's dating a guy you know? Did this courtship begin at 2 o'clock this afternoon?

by Anonymousreply 143July 13, 2018 9:39 PM

R143, no. They’ve been together at least a year now. The guy I know seems in love.

by Anonymousreply 144July 13, 2018 9:42 PM

This is an abortion caught on film. Terrible.

by Anonymousreply 145July 13, 2018 9:42 PM

Okay,Ill bite. WTF is a "pa" ???

by Anonymousreply 146July 13, 2018 9:42 PM

{R144} Does your friend know about Mark Sam's extracurricular sex life?

by Anonymousreply 147July 13, 2018 9:43 PM

Pa= personal assistant

by Anonymousreply 148July 13, 2018 9:43 PM

[quote]WTF is a "pa"

Production Assistant

by Anonymousreply 149July 13, 2018 9:44 PM

[R145} Production Assistant, although if you ask Mark Sam he will tell you he's a "Producer"

Curious what kind of salary he pulls in....

by Anonymousreply 150July 13, 2018 9:44 PM

R147, I don’t know. The guy I know was not the open relationship type but that was a few years ago. He’s since moved to HK, so I’m assuming that’s changed.

by Anonymousreply 151July 13, 2018 9:45 PM

[R151} Good luck to your friend on his move to Hong Kong.

by Anonymousreply 152July 13, 2018 9:48 PM

R152, HK= Hell’s Kitchen, in this case...

by Anonymousreply 153July 13, 2018 9:54 PM

[R153} Can't a girl crack a joke without getting burned at the stake?

by Anonymousreply 154July 13, 2018 9:55 PM

R154, No!!!

Jokes aren’t funny these days. You didn’t even use a trigger warning!

by Anonymousreply 155July 13, 2018 9:58 PM

The guy with the glasses is a good actor. It's too bad he's saddled with a ridiculous character. The black guy isn't a bad actor either. But, he also has horrible dialogue to work with. The Latino guy is a good actor and the most normal of all the characters. The "daddy" character is awful, and Mark Sam is both a terrible actor (way too over the top) and the constant one-liners are a turnoff. Very little of it comes across like friends having a conversation. It came across like a group text chat where everyone is posting emojis and typing one-liners.

by Anonymousreply 156July 13, 2018 9:58 PM

Well I liked it. Though I can understand the disappointment with the sophomoric humor. And count me surprised it was a 40th birthday and not 50th.

by Anonymousreply 157July 13, 2018 10:09 PM

It's fun if you read R157 in Lina Lamont's voice.

by Anonymousreply 158July 13, 2018 10:34 PM

How the fuck did they manage to find the most repulsive drag queen in all of America? Was she encased in a carbonite block in the Vishara Video basement?!

by Anonymousreply 159July 13, 2018 10:57 PM

Well...almost 10,000 views in just 24 hours and an extra 400 subscribers in 24 HRS.

by Anonymousreply 160July 13, 2018 11:46 PM

[quote]Very little of it comes across like friends having a conversation.

Well, it wasn't great but I'd much rather be with these guys than down at the bar with my own friends talking about Puerto Vallarta, how broke they are, their next cheap vacation to Mexico City, their pride in never eating in restaurants, slow cooker pork chops, their general cheapnesses, how broke they are some more, and then after two martinis greeting every single acquaintance with "excuse me, is this a GAY bar" then after another drink shouting WOOF at every semi-attractive guy that passes by. Between bathroom bumps of course.

by Anonymousreply 161July 14, 2018 12:09 AM

Is this Sex in the City for the 2010's?

by Anonymousreply 162July 14, 2018 1:29 AM

It wasn't mean spirited, so there's that.

by Anonymousreply 163July 14, 2018 1:30 AM

I thought it was okay. I didn’t like the bisexual man with the son. That whole character needs to be jettisoned.

I support ventures by gay men so I hope they succeed.

by Anonymousreply 164July 14, 2018 2:16 AM

r156 "Very little of it comes across like friends having a conversation. It came across like a group text chat where everyone is posting emojis and typing one-liners"

I feel like that's what they are in real life though, I mean watch this livestream...

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by Anonymousreply 165July 14, 2018 2:16 AM

That “livestream” is like a televised suicide note, I mean...!

by Anonymousreply 166July 14, 2018 2:20 AM

Those gurls was LIVE!

by Anonymousreply 167July 14, 2018 2:33 AM

[bold]"While episode one released today, Sloan and Rosenthal already have the next five episodes, which will explore the lives of these diverse characters living and aging into midlife in Hell’s Kitchen, scripted and ready. Now, they are just looking for financial backing to support the production."[/bold]

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by Anonymousreply 168July 14, 2018 2:37 AM

So only one episode was filmed?!?!?!?

by Anonymousreply 169July 14, 2018 3:08 AM

[quote]Sloan and Rosenthal already have the next five episodes,

What part of that did you not understand, R169?

by Anonymousreply 170July 14, 2018 3:13 AM

[quote]What part of that did you not understand, [R169]?

Actually, it is totally confusing.

On the YT channel, he says to stay tuned for more and the article implies only one ep has been made. Which one is it?

by Anonymousreply 171July 14, 2018 3:38 AM

"next five episodes, which will explore the lives of these diverse characters living and aging into midlife in Hell’s Kitchen, scripted and ready"

R170 -- It says that the next five episodes are SCRIPTED AND READY, not that they have been FILMED, which made me think they only filmed the pilot. Did I misunderstand what scripted and ready meant?

by Anonymousreply 172July 14, 2018 3:39 AM

Wait. MORE money is needed??! Holy Judy Garland, these two gay grifters are a panic, they blew that Kickstarter cash in record time on THAT loss of a pilot? NOW they want people to chip in for MORE of that hackneyed shit? Mark Sam, you should be ashamed of your dismal vanity, donate some money to BC/EFA or GMHC and stop robbing people to “create” more of your dated and BORING shit content, really bad form. SHYSTERS!

by Anonymousreply 173July 14, 2018 3:40 AM

[quote][R170] -- It says that the next five episodes are SCRIPTED AND READY, not that they have been FILMED, which made me think they only filmed the pilot. Did I misunderstand what scripted and ready meant?

No, you did not, gurl.

by Anonymousreply 174July 14, 2018 3:42 AM

[quote]Wait. MORE money is needed??! Holy Judy Garland,

LOL

They'll probably raise it.

by Anonymousreply 175July 14, 2018 3:43 AM

from YT

[quote]Funny, but I hope it's not going to be all men in their 40s lusting after twinks

[quote]We're just getting started...stay tuned for more! And thanks for checking it out :)We're jus

by Anonymousreply 176July 14, 2018 3:46 AM

If 13 minutes is all they came up with, that is truly pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 177July 14, 2018 3:47 AM

They are truly pathetic for a lot of reasons

by Anonymousreply 178July 14, 2018 3:58 AM

Try producing something like this and find out how quickly $20,000.00 is spent. You can't imagine if you've never done it. Even though things are far, far less expensive now than just a few years ago, because of advances in technology, it's still more expensive than one thinks. I acted in a short last week, with only 6 pages of script, and there were 16 other people on the set, with 4 more getting the next location ready while we shot. It was only ONE set up with only me behind a desk. I'm looking at producing a short film that's also only about 6 pages of dialogue, and it will likely set me back $5,000.00 once it's shot, edited and ready to be seen. Now, aside from the cliched script, big acting and overall unrealistic tone of this 13-minute episode, the lighting, sound, editing and continuity are pretty damned good. This probably took a week or more of shooting and it had multiple closed-set locations as well as public locations, with LOTS of extras. All of that is not only not cheap, it's a HUGE task to make it all work. I don't like this show, and will likely not like the rest of the series if it gets made. But I have to applaud their effort.

by Anonymousreply 179July 14, 2018 4:55 AM

And yet their overproduced home movie is only ever going to get posted to YouTube to compete for views with cat videos.

If they're so proud of the next 5, shoot them on camera phones and don't go begging people for more money that could be better spent elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 180July 14, 2018 11:38 AM

Didn’t the far more enjoyable and much more expertly produced Submissions Only do their entire second season for less than what these creative criminals wasted on that pilot misfire? I’m sure a great deal of that Kickstarter take went to making Mark Sam feel like a “celebrity” during the filming period. I totally agree with R180, if you believe in it so much, do it on your own.

by Anonymousreply 181July 14, 2018 12:16 PM

I will admit I just watched it. It’s like a train wreck that you can’t look away from. The fact that basically everyone is gay everywhere they go (the waiter, the health clinic), and of those, apparently are all on a Grindr sort of app and hitting up the older bearded guy is annoying as hell.

Two things that were good: The black guy’s comment on his birthday “gift”: “Send a whore to college!”

And the birthday guy’s son had a helluva bulge going on. Even in the jeans. Would love to see that guy in sweats or basketball shorts. That’s about it though.

by Anonymousreply 182July 14, 2018 12:30 PM

I'm actually friends with the actor that plays that first go-go dancer... didn't know he filmed this.

It's a pilot, they are always awkward... I will give it another chance.

The Golden Girls started out with CoCo the gay chef...

by Anonymousreply 183July 14, 2018 12:37 PM

It’s awful, it will never get better, end it.

by Anonymousreply 184July 14, 2018 12:41 PM

Looks like it had a real professional crew.

Maybe the writing is what's missing. They went into it with a pretty broad idea because they want to catch viewers.. Sophomoric, in a word. Though I smiled at the waiter getting his shirt ripped off. Writing good characters in interesting situations is probably tough. There's a little something to start with with the dad character..

by Anonymousreply 185July 14, 2018 12:58 PM

[quote[I will admit I just watched it.

Why 'admit it"? It's the point of the whole thread.

by Anonymousreply 186July 14, 2018 1:08 PM

[quote]Maybe the writing is what's missing.

Considering the writing is everything, you may have a point.

[quote]Writing good characters in interesting situations is probably tough.

That's why it should be left to people with SOME "talent".

by Anonymousreply 187July 14, 2018 1:11 PM

I usually like shows like this. I'm older than the characters and not into any scene, so I look upon this as a slice of gay life I'll never see. But this production was so sophomoric, cliche-ridden and unoriginal it completely dissuaded me from wanting to see any more.

by Anonymousreply 188July 14, 2018 1:20 PM

Brian Sloan is a nice enough guy, he’s been toiling in the biz for years, his WTC View brought him small notice, but that was like thirteen years ago, Mark Sam Rosenthal is a tiresome member of the tv industry infantry, low level with top level dreams, they sadly are products of decades of struggle and mediocrity, it shows in this dated and plodding pilot, there’s nothing exciting or original, it’s amateur and bland.

by Anonymousreply 189July 14, 2018 1:23 PM

[quote] it shows in this dated and plodding pilot

Considering it only runs for 13 minutes, it's quite a feat.

by Anonymousreply 190July 14, 2018 1:25 PM

Gay men are some of the most creative, complicated, artistic people on the planet. So can someone explain to me why the media we produce by and about ourselves sucks so badly?

by Anonymousreply 191July 14, 2018 1:27 PM

Free of charge, here is the plot I’ve come up with for Mark Sam and Co. Gratis!

Okay, the son gets a new girlfriend but he hasn’t told her about the gay people in his life because she’s a Trump-lover like her father. So, the dad and his “high school sweetheart “ pretend to be a couple when meeting the in-laws.(I know, why hasn’t anyone done this concept before?!)

Of course, the wedding rehearsal party is in the West 40s but all the queens have to butch it up. Imagine Mark Sam’s expressive eyes boggling when the girl’s father walks in with his MAGA hat on! Hilarity ensues!

I freely give this unique plot to Mark Sam & Co. (But I do want residuals when HBO picks the show up).

by Anonymousreply 192July 14, 2018 1:28 PM

R189 is not someone who should be critiquing writers, he cannot write sentences.

by Anonymousreply 193July 14, 2018 1:28 PM

Dying is easy, comedy is hard.

by Anonymousreply 194July 14, 2018 1:29 PM

[quote] So can someone explain to me why the media we produce by and about ourselves sucks so badly?

It's odd, isn't it?

Also, gay people are some of the funniest people you'll ever meet but their comedy doesn't seem to translate into a successful entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 195July 14, 2018 1:31 PM

Referring to Inwood as "Upstate Manhattan" is neither fresh nor original. It's a phrase taken from social media c. 2014.

by Anonymousreply 196July 14, 2018 1:36 PM

That's part of the problem: everyone's already heard of everything, and can now bitch about it endlessly for everyone else cuntilectation. Who would want to bother?

by Anonymousreply 197July 14, 2018 1:39 PM

Gays are odd about their sense of humor. They don't value it. It's the GREATEST COMPLIMENT you can ever give to a str8 guy to tell him he's funny.

by Anonymousreply 198July 14, 2018 1:43 PM

Is it just DL gays who hate everything? I don't know a single person IRL who doesn't like NPH, for instance, or CMBYN.

by Anonymousreply 199July 14, 2018 1:46 PM

[quote] IRL who doesn't like NPH, for instance, or CMBYN.

IRL maybe their too ZPL or NRMV.

Think about it.

by Anonymousreply 200July 14, 2018 1:48 PM

[quote]**their

oops, sorry. I'm feeling a little too YMT today. Something's not DDF that's for sure.

by Anonymousreply 201July 14, 2018 1:49 PM

R192 here with a few “deeper” storylines no one has ever done before that will showcase the acting strength of the queens.

1. While the dad and his high school sweetheart are pretending to be a couple, they have sex, which results in a late-in-life baby. The dad co-parents well but an episode will center on the queens unexpectedly having to take care of the baby. Yep, more hilarity ensues!

2. Mark Sam’s character falls off the wagon, so the queens vow to get him through one night without the bottle. The next day, the queens think Mark Sam is cured, but then he admits that he snuck a drink. He then “makes the call” and the queens drive him to rehab.

The queens worry that their friend will be different when he gets out. When Mark Sam is out and meets them at their usual place. At first, he seems a little off but then he tells the story about how he caught this cute twink checking him out at rehab. The queens get all excited but it turns out the twink was offering Mark Sam a closer seat to the front of the room for a Group session in case Mark Sam was hard of hearing. They all laugh!

No payment needed for these unique plots!

by Anonymousreply 202July 14, 2018 1:53 PM

Really, r200 r201? On DL—I mean Data Lounge—you need to have Neil Patrick Harris and Call Me by Your Name spelled out for you?

by Anonymousreply 203July 14, 2018 1:58 PM

I would watch if they convinced Michael Imperioli to play a hot New Jersey Italian American bisexual married daddy on the downlow.

by Anonymousreply 204July 14, 2018 2:00 PM

[quote]you need to have Neil Patrick Harris

Yes. That part. Also what's IRL. plz?

by Anonymousreply 205July 14, 2018 2:01 PM

[quote]Why 'admit it"? It's the point of the whole thread.

R186, in the interest of that rare trait here, honesty, I was one of those who declared they would not watch it. Even though it’s an anonymous board, I believe in integrity, so I wanted to be honest. Hence the “admission” of having watched it.

by Anonymousreply 206July 14, 2018 2:03 PM

[quote] Also what's IRL. plz?

What's "plz" IRL?

by Anonymousreply 207July 14, 2018 2:04 PM

R205

[bold]I[/bold]n [bold]R[/bold]eal [bold]L[/bold]ife

by Anonymousreply 208July 14, 2018 2:05 PM

NPH is POZ w/ HIV

by Anonymousreply 209July 14, 2018 2:13 PM

It's probably just "poz," cunt.

by Anonymousreply 210July 14, 2018 2:14 PM

Why was this ever made, who was asking for it?

by Anonymousreply 211July 14, 2018 2:23 PM

R211, while no one was asking for it, per se, its target audience is the homersexshuls, fruit flies, and the straights who can say “see, they’re all alike. All they think about is sex, sex, sex.”

by Anonymousreply 212July 14, 2018 2:40 PM

the worst part was the "friends" of the birthday boy. those queens i could not stand to spend any time around.

by Anonymousreply 213July 14, 2018 5:13 PM

[quote] Now, aside from the cliched script, big acting and overall unrealistic tone of this 13-minute episode, the lighting, sound, editing and continuity are pretty damned good. This probably took a week or more of shooting and it had multiple closed-set locations as well as public locations, with LOTS of extras.

No way. I've been involved w/ higher end (non-gay) web series (of which this is not) and this could/should have been shot in no more than three days. There were NOT lots of extras, they just shot strategically. And they originally were trying to shoot this for $15K and overraised. The money is clearly not on the screen. The camera is super static, the lighting is very flat and dull, and much is shot in close up to mask the fact that they're supposed to be in a crowded club or restaurant or what have you, and they don't have the extras to prove it. Even those awful cutaways to the straight women at the restaurant made zero sense dramatically and were likely used because the takes were so bad they needed something to break them up with and they couldn't shoot an empty restaurant.

The average web series is shot for about $30K PER SEASON. Not per episode, per season. I've seen some shot for $60K-100K, but those were either very high end or the producer was lining his own pockets with the overage raised on kickstarter.

Of course, these numbnuts raised money for a pilot, which is always going to cost more in the long run if you do a full season later because web series are usually shot one full season at a time, as though you're making a movie. This saves a lot of money on company moves, location fees and days in general. You stay at one location and shoot all the scenes used in that location for the entire season in one (or two) days. It's a nightmare, but it saves on cash and time.

If someone showed this to me and said it was shot in a week for $23K I would ask who the producer was so I would be sure to never hire him/her, because they suck at their job.

by Anonymousreply 214July 14, 2018 7:02 PM

R214 for THE WIN! Everything is 100% correct, it is actually an insult to those who actually WORK in the industry to witness the ineptitude on display with that dreadful “pilot”, there is no way in today’s world of advanced video tech that you would spent the amount they are alleged to have spent on what they delivered.

by Anonymousreply 215July 14, 2018 9:12 PM

The other five episodes are scripted and ready, so does that mean that they still need to: raise more money, film them, and edit them? So the next episode wouldn't be posted for at least two or three months?

by Anonymousreply 216July 14, 2018 9:16 PM

R216 exactly. They are asking for MORE money to film and complete the next five...

by Anonymousreply 217July 14, 2018 9:43 PM

r214 r215 have you watched any gay youtube series? look at "where the bears are" in its 5th or 6th season, and going strong. but about the same level as this one seems.

by Anonymousreply 218July 14, 2018 9:54 PM

Where The Bears Are looks a shitload cheaper than this.

by Anonymousreply 219July 14, 2018 10:08 PM

Do all gay youtube series run for just 15 minutes an episode?

by Anonymousreply 220July 14, 2018 10:09 PM

[quote]The camera is super static, the lighting is very flat and dull, and much is shot in close up to mask the fact that they're supposed to be in a crowded club

The women in the restaurant who kept clocking what they were upto...were they supposed to be lesbians? Is so, why were they so interested in their shenanigans? I didn't get that part at all.

by Anonymousreply 221July 14, 2018 10:12 PM

R221, I took it they found the guys’ antics and conversation so outrageous that they were looking to see who was speaking like that.

by Anonymousreply 222July 14, 2018 10:16 PM

The youtube comments are ridiculously positive.

[quote] This is so amazing, so well done, and SO DAMN FUNNY!!! ❤️❤️❤️

[quote]"Upstate Manhattan." That killed me!

Mark Sam has marked most of them with a ❤️

Apart from the few negative ones

[quote]EHHH Too stereotypical for ageism in the gay world. Disappointment

which he ignores

by Anonymousreply 223July 14, 2018 10:24 PM

[quote]Um...wow. I don't know what to say. Reading the comments, I'm not sure I saw the same episode. The characters were so one dimensional. The themes so vapid. Money equals success. Youth is to be objectified. Aging is to be feared. I liked the RuPaul reference but Drag Race at least has some depth. Think about that comparison. Every character, except Daddy, was the same character. The same level of self loathing. And the over acting was hard to bear. But hey, one opinion

IGNORED

by Anonymousreply 224July 14, 2018 10:26 PM

I only saw a small number of comments on YouTube. They are probably Mark Sam's friends.

by Anonymousreply 225July 15, 2018 12:58 AM

Q & A with Mark Sam and BS @ link.

I think a lot of the questions people have been asking, are answered here >>

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by Anonymousreply 226July 15, 2018 1:09 AM

So I figured out how to save this:

Embrace the shitty, anachronistic, ridiculous acting and writing. Script this directly ripped off from Three's Company episodes, and let the shitty actors camp it up. Nothing about this says a) expensive; b) thoughtful; c) funny; d) well-done. So, go for e) so bad it's good!

by Anonymousreply 227July 15, 2018 1:17 AM

Is Mark Sam taken/partnered?

Available???

by Anonymousreply 228July 15, 2018 1:48 AM

Why would you cast a character who is turning 40 with an actor who looks 50 years old?

by Anonymousreply 229July 15, 2018 1:58 AM

[quote] have you watched any gay youtube series? look at "where the bears are" in its 5th or 6th season, and going strong. but about the same level as this one seems.

Are you kidding? Where The Bears Are has way better production values than this shit show, and they've only grown in what they can and have done since Season 1. They shot in an airplane set, FFS. You know how expensive that is?

by Anonymousreply 230July 15, 2018 1:59 AM

[quote]Any diversity is tokenized.

Ha! Incredible!

I have NEVER seen any "trans" or non-binary characters represented ANY other way than as token "pets" and markers of some vaunted "inclusion", when in real life MANY people, even gays and drags, do not regularly associate with trans people! It's all faux liberal "look at me, I am SO current and INCLUSIVE!" Gag. Why do the teensy number of gender-dysphoric attention seekers demand to reshape society in THEIR ever-changing image?

Now we're all supposed to have been OUTRAGED that Scarlett Johansen was to have played a "trans" character! Big deal! Actors act, and it's high time any non-binary person deluded enough into thinking that they'll be starring in major motion pictures learns that Hollywood hires you to tell THEIR story, not YOUR story!

Grow up!

by Anonymousreply 231July 15, 2018 3:50 AM

[quote]Wait. MORE money is needed??! Holy Judy Garland, these two gay grifters are a panic, they blew that Kickstarter cash in record time on THAT loss of a pilot?

I guess. Damn. I have made a bunch of SAG short films with friends, and we've hit a few out of the park which are doing very well on the festival circuit. Not all are brilliant, but certainly all are "West 40s" level, or better. We could have EASILY produced/shot/edited that "pilot" for 5K and not a dime more. I can't see where they spent almost 20G!??

by Anonymousreply 232July 15, 2018 4:06 AM

Hey, sorry about the side track, but what's the goal of festival circuits? Do you make your money back doing short films? How do you raise money for them? And is everyone involved (actors, director, crew members) able to make a living from producing them?

by Anonymousreply 233July 15, 2018 4:36 AM

Mark Sam is an evil baby, bad karma shit!!!!

by Anonymousreply 234July 15, 2018 5:45 AM

[quote]Hey, sorry about the side track, but what's the goal of festival circuits?

Their intention is to have their films bought and distributed by a major film company.

[quote]How do you raise money for them?

In some countries, there are tax rebates for investing in these kinds of projects.

Or idiots who have more money than sense.

by Anonymousreply 235July 15, 2018 10:37 AM

I am not in the industry, but I would assume that the goal of having a short film in a festival is not to make money, but to add the event to your CV, and to build credentials, and eventually get a job that pays well. I don't think a short film is the end goal; I think it's just one step towards it.

by Anonymousreply 236July 15, 2018 4:09 PM

Okay, I just finished watching the episode and this was the latest thread, and so I'll join this one.

A LOT of bitchy queens on this thread. I suppose we're all still waiting on your earth shattering book, painting, and/or feature film?

I give anyone positive credit for successfully getting any type of credible project off of the ground and completed--especially gay oriented projects, because there are so few and far in between. I like supporting projects like these and I even look for them. I'm with R236. They help build experience and a resume for these hopefully GAY individuals to get more work.

Now, with that all on the table, this was trite. Nothing was new or creative. The production value was okay. I agree with a few others above who said that the run to do a fundraiser was premature. I'm one of those who would like to see how ambitious an individual is about their project to make it happen before they come for my money to make their dream happen. I look for projects like my friend's Sebastian LaCause and how he created "Hustling". More importantly, how all those involved were able to use "Hustling" to spring board to other things.

by Anonymousreply 237July 16, 2018 12:00 AM

[quote] More importantly, how all those involved were able to use "Hustling" to spring board to other things.

Ok, I'll bite. Exactly what did all involved use Hustling for to springboard to other things?

by Anonymousreply 238July 16, 2018 1:26 AM

"hustling" was "citizen kane" compared to this dreck

by Anonymousreply 239July 16, 2018 1:28 AM

Matthew Bomer is tired of the mean gays in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 240July 16, 2018 1:38 AM

[quote]Ok, I'll bite. Exactly what did all involved use Hustling for to springboard to other things?

I know that Seb was able to get more acting roles. He also directed a few other projects because of the series. He moved to Los Angeles because of the opportunities. I also know that a few of the others were able to get agents because of the series. I guess that's not so easy. I've seen a few of the actors in other movies over the years since the series initially ran

by Anonymousreply 241July 16, 2018 1:40 AM

Sweetheart, even Matt Bomer would call this piece of shit a piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 242July 16, 2018 1:40 AM

[quote] I know that Seb was able to get more acting roles. He also directed a few other projects because of the series. He moved to Los Angeles because of the opportunities. I also know that a few of the others were able to get agents because of the series. I guess that's not so easy. I've seen a few of the actors in other movies over the years since the series initially ran

If you say so.

by Anonymousreply 243July 16, 2018 1:42 AM

Oh c'mon, R242. It wasn't that bad. Yep! It was unoriginal and nothing more than "Sex & The City" recast (like Noah's Arc did but with a African American cast), but you can sit through it. There's A LOT worse on YouTube. But, you would have thought they would have seen this when they were writing.

[quote]If you say so.

It's going back some timer but if I get the energy I'll look for the correspondence I got from Seb when I asked him that question and that's what he told me. Could he have been lying? Maybe. But, I've never known him to lie.

by Anonymousreply 244July 16, 2018 1:48 AM

So it felt like a web series, e.g., amateurish, trite, overacted.

There's a market for that sort of thing though, just like there's a market for fan fiction and the sort of Creative Writing 101 stories you find on Watt.

But agree with all the prior comments that the characters were mostly all femme stereotypes --I almost stopped watching when pornstache guy swished into the restaurant in that over the top sashay style run.

And you could hear them congratulating themselves on how clever they were to make the [italic]black[/italic] guy the one with the trust fund!! (Or the inheritance from an old boyfriend? It wasn't quite clear.)

by Anonymousreply 245July 16, 2018 1:48 AM

Also the orange shirt guy is what I imagine many DLers to look and act like.

by Anonymousreply 246July 16, 2018 1:54 AM

[quote]But agree with all the prior comments that the characters were mostly all femme stereotypes

But, is this constructive criticism or your own personal bias? I see your point though. It seems that every gay comedy must have the routine overly effeminate guy. I liked "Old Dogs New Tricks". Whatever happened to that? I also like "Where The Bears Are"

by Anonymousreply 247July 16, 2018 1:54 AM

I contest the claim that we need to support marginal gay popular culture because there is "so little of it". In fact there are hundreds and hundreds of gay shorts and dozens and dozens of marginal feature films around the world every year.

by Anonymousreply 248July 16, 2018 1:58 AM

Constructive criticism R247

Other than the Latino birthday guy, they were all femme stereotypes. Though to be fair, they may also be representative of the sort of gay men who are attracted to gay ghettos like Hells' Kitchen. Still, makes the whole thing seem amateurish and trite

by Anonymousreply 249July 16, 2018 2:01 AM

Help me R248, because I would like to see more of it! Tell me where I should look for new and interesting projects--even the marginal ones.

I'm in NYC and outside of FRINGE I hear or read about very little gay projects. It could be me!

by Anonymousreply 250July 16, 2018 2:04 AM

Final thought-- I would have thought it would have gotten more love on DL as it plays like an homage to the sort of 1970s and 80s network sitcoms so many DLers seem to love, the kind where laughs were more important than character development.

I wonder if a laugh track would have helped.

by Anonymousreply 251July 16, 2018 2:08 AM

Well, I can't disagree with you R249. My opinion of it was that it was very unoriginal. I guess part of the casting stems from the creators having a dream of what will sell to LOGO or whatever else and so they stick to the formula that they would like to see.

by Anonymousreply 252July 16, 2018 2:09 AM

So, the “40 year old” who screwed women is the only masculine one.

How very telling.

by Anonymousreply 253July 16, 2018 2:11 AM

Get out more R249. They are femme stereotypes for a reason,that being except for Bromos,many gay men ARE slightly femme.Cliches are cliches for a reason,dear.

by Anonymousreply 254July 16, 2018 2:13 AM

[quote]Final thought-- I would have thought it would have gotten more love on DL

HA! 3 reasons that it was sliced and diced here--in my opinion...

1) These queens don't like seeing themselves portrayed as someone who always bitch and moans about growing older even though that is exactly what they do is always bitch and moan. Also, and have the unhealthy fascination with 20 year olds.

2) They don't like seeing themselves as alone, still hanging out in bars, and trying to navigate social media

3) They hate themselves because while they sit behind a computer, watch television, and talk about patterns for this or that, there are people out here living and still have the energy (which they don't have) to try and make something happen.

by Anonymousreply 255July 16, 2018 2:17 AM

I don't get it! Hollywood is literally run by gay men. Why do we continually get this low level, stereotypical, shit programming? These men have or are just turning 40? They look mid to late 40's! The 39/40 y/o on "Looking" was much more accurate. Ugh! Terrible casting. The ending credits mirror QAF. Sigh.

by Anonymousreply 256July 16, 2018 2:33 AM

I agree, R256. But, it's not just gay genre. The straight world has the same issue too. I mean, c'mon... have ALL the great stories been told? Also, many of you are right! For these guys to try to push the idea that they are just turning 40? It ain't working.

by Anonymousreply 257July 16, 2018 2:40 AM

Because even queers think this is what straight people want to see,R256,and ultimately its all about the money. Theres a lot more of them than us,hence this trite crap.I still liked the black guy and the orange shirt queen,but that "40" year old Luis was even worse than Miss Sam,and thats saying a lot!

by Anonymousreply 258July 16, 2018 2:40 AM

Miss Rosenthal.

by Anonymousreply 259July 16, 2018 2:42 AM

R250 - gay-torrents has categories for this stuff. Its not just porn torrents. Also google LGBT film festivals in your cities or any cities and look at the programs. This kind of stuff never stopped pouring out. I follow some of the film-makers - they are never going to enter the mainstream but sometimes its very interesting and the foreign stuff especially. Its all horrible in marginal in a way. When I watch little German gay movies my german friends all groan how tacky and cliche it is but since I don't know the culture so much, its still interesting to see how people make lives in different cultures.

by Anonymousreply 260July 16, 2018 2:42 AM

[quote]LGBT film festivals in your cities or any cities and look at the programs.

I do that and it isn't much in my opinion.

[quote]gay-torrents

I don't know it--even for porn. I'll check it out.

Thanks!

by Anonymousreply 261July 16, 2018 2:46 AM

I wonder where is the creative writing like what's in the link hiding.

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by Anonymousreply 262July 16, 2018 2:52 AM

Most big cities manage something like this every year. Geez the experimental festivals started in NY in the 80's when I was a young man.

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by Anonymousreply 263July 16, 2018 2:58 AM

Say what you will and we all have our opinions, but Ryan Murphy creates engaging characters in visually appealing settings. He seems most likely to succeed with an interesting gay drame-dy. There has to be a happy medium between campy old queens and bears. I think Brokeback Mountain so far has been the best made gay film with stellar acting. TV gays are too cartoony. Samantha Jones was probably the best gay male character. Enough with the brunching/cosmo sipping SATC gays.

by Anonymousreply 264July 16, 2018 3:03 AM

Once again R263, I'm quite aware of the Fringe Festival. That happens in August. But, even they no longer have a genre that's just LGBTQ. I remember the time (and it wasn't that long ago...maybe 10 years ago) you could habitually find some type of gay genre production somewhere in NYC. It might have even been the basement of some club! No longer. And, with HK, Next, and whatever else other gay magazines closing down, you can't find listings (if they exist) anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 265July 16, 2018 3:10 AM

I didn't think this was as horrible as some people are making it out to be.

The person who said that not every line needs to be a zinger is correct. They do all need to work on their comedic timing.

It does look cheap and is shot cheaply. They could be more creative in that department.

They should also probably try and bring the whole thing down a notch. I get that they want it to be a comedy about men in their 40s but it's possible to tackle serious issues and be funny like HBO's "Girls" if anyone actually thought that was funny. They'd probably get more interest if they took a serious slant occasionally.

by Anonymousreply 266July 16, 2018 3:30 AM

Gurl, this is just stereotypical nellie queens.

AND THE ACTING IS TERRIBLE! Uta Hagen would be appalled.

by Anonymousreply 267July 16, 2018 3:42 AM

Is that how you justify it R254? "But all the other gays are screaming queens too! At least the ones I know here in Hells Kitchen/Silver Lake/Palm Springs"

by Anonymousreply 268July 16, 2018 3:55 AM

That sounds pretty spot on R255. Good analysis.

by Anonymousreply 269July 16, 2018 3:59 AM

Nothing about the pilot seemed like Hell’s Kitchen or Manhattan or New York City, it had no energy save for the spastic delivery of those creaky one liners.

by Anonymousreply 270July 16, 2018 4:00 AM

What would you say the difference is between "campy old queens" and "bears" R264

I always thought bears were just campy old queens who were fat and hairy

by Anonymousreply 271July 16, 2018 4:01 AM

Also R255, it did play to the classic DL-ism of "but I look ten years younger."

As in "we may all be early 50s, but everyone will believe we all just turned 40!"

by Anonymousreply 272July 16, 2018 4:02 AM

[quote] I always thought bears were just campy old queens who were fat and hairy

Not necessarily. A bear is just a certain body type/look. They're not all bitchy queens. Some bears can be quiet and intellectual.

by Anonymousreply 273July 16, 2018 4:15 AM

[quote]Nothing about the pilot seemed like Hell’s Kitchen or Manhattan or New York City

Yeah. It did nothing to pick up on the vitality of the city or simply Hell's Kitchen. This could have taken place anywhere in the USA.

by Anonymousreply 274July 16, 2018 4:24 AM

[quote]Some bears can be quiet and intellectual.

I wasn't always quiet, but I was very intellectual, (and hot as fuck)

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by Anonymousreply 275July 16, 2018 4:30 AM

oliver

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by Anonymousreply 276July 16, 2018 4:32 AM

[quote]Yeah. It did nothing to pick up on the vitality of the city or simply Hell's Kitchen. This could have taken place anywhere in the USA.

Or Canada, even.

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by Anonymousreply 277July 16, 2018 4:35 AM

[quote] It's going back some timer but if I get the energy I'll look for the correspondence I got from Seb when I asked him that question and that's what he told me. Could he have been lying? Maybe. But, I've never known him to lie.

I didn't say anyone was lying, but look at the "credits" you're extolling for him. Basically, he got an under five on Orange is the New Black and he directed another web series for free. And the only person on that show who's gotten any subsequent real work was Stephen Guarino, and he got it because he was already known from being on Happy Endings well before Hustling was a reality.

No one has broken out from a web series with the exception of Issa Rae, and the only two web series that were ever picked up to continue elsewhere were Downward Dog and High Maintenance. (And I believe High Maintenance was co-created by a very well connected television casting director who was able to get high profile actors to guest on it, so it sure didn't come from the normal humble beginnings.)

Constance Wu went on from Eastsiders' first season to get cast in Fresh Off the Boat, but the web series didn't get her that show. She went in alongside dozens of other actresses.

by Anonymousreply 278July 16, 2018 7:14 AM

[quote]A bear is just a certain body type/look.

GRRRRRR.....

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by Anonymousreply 279July 16, 2018 10:05 AM

[quote]I didn't say anyone was lying, but look at the "credits" you're extolling for him....

I don't know if credits are a fair indicator here. It could be but I don't know. A better comparison might be what was happening before, (and what they wanted to do) before the project (Hustling) and what that project has allowed them to do afterward. I know that Seb has gone more towards writing and directing and is actively putting together a crew for a project right now. Daphne Rubin-Vega is a young mother but is also married to a wealthy guy. Maybe she doesn't want to work. Sharon Washington seems to have done okay. We all see Gerald McCullouch all over the place an doing different stuff. On and on...

Look... you can be right. I can only tell you what he (Seb) said to me at the time.

by Anonymousreply 280July 16, 2018 10:22 AM

I love Where The Bears Are but their need to use porn stars in every other episode and the casting of a straight guy as a lead gay character are kind of annoying. They say this is their last season.

by Anonymousreply 281July 16, 2018 12:26 PM

[quote]I love Where The Bears Are but their need to use porn stars in every other episode

It will always draw viewers. A cheap strategy that will always work.

[quote]They say this is their last season.

5-6 seasons is more than enough for projects like it. Either somebody picks it up to take it to the next level or they won't. If, after 5 seasons, no one has come knocking at the door then it is likely that they won't. You have to figure out other ways to build off of it.

by Anonymousreply 282July 16, 2018 12:39 PM

[quote]1) These queens don't like seeing themselves portrayed as someone who always bitch and moans about growing older even though that is exactly what they do is always bitch and moan. Also, and have the unhealthy fascination with 20 year olds.

Perfect example:

"How do you cope with getting older?"

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by Anonymousreply 283July 16, 2018 12:49 PM

[quote] Look... you can be right. I can only tell you what he (Seb) said to me at the time.

Yes, let's by all means believe an actor. They never exaggerate what's happening for them.

The only thing I remember about Hustling was how Sebastian LaCause won the Indie Series Award for Best Actor in a Drama FOUR times because the two old queens who started that organization (and made everyone pay to submit their shows PER CATEGORY) wanted to fuck him.

by Anonymousreply 284July 16, 2018 2:23 PM

Now, now, R284... Let's not let our jealousies take control over our cooler heads...

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by Anonymousreply 285July 16, 2018 3:02 PM

The Hispanic guy with the son was a terrible actor. The Spanish words in his conversation with his son seemed forced. The son wasn't funny when he queened out.

The screaming blonde queen with the pig nose is best limited to one liners and then vanishing, like the gay guy in "Airplane" who he reminds me of.

I agree with whoever said you could hear the screenwriters patting themselves on the back over making the black guy the trust fund person. "And THE BLACK GUY is the wealthy one!"

The second cut to the girls at the table in the bar made no sense/seemed like filler.

Them going to the clinic didn't make sense - you think the "bad back" scene is campy and fun and then you realize they're trying to say it was real, which just seems stupid.

The "daddy" is okay but no way he'd be pulling so many hot guys like that. Maybe if he was muscular without the paunch.

The writing is terrible and is all just outdated names and clichés and Drag Race puns that haven't been funny in years. I think that's the worst part - the writing's bad.

The whole episode feels like it could be taking place in 1980, but I think it's supposed to be modern times.

And now something positive: No one - as far as I recall - said "WERK Bitch!" or "Yasssssss queen!" but I'm sure it will be in a future episode.

by Anonymousreply 286July 16, 2018 3:40 PM

[quote]The whole episode feels like it could be taking place in 1980, but I think it's supposed to be modern times.

With the phone apps, obviously it’s modern times.

by Anonymousreply 287July 16, 2018 3:57 PM

Even that could have been early 2000s. I'll give you that it is the only thing that dates it as not being in 1980 though. The ONLY THING. Even the bar seems old.

by Anonymousreply 288July 16, 2018 3:58 PM

R286 exactly, they also did a terrible job setting up the various characters, having the core bunched together in that cramped table shot was a really bad choice on all levels.

by Anonymousreply 289July 16, 2018 4:13 PM

Agreed, R288.

by Anonymousreply 290July 16, 2018 4:55 PM

I can understand posting and criticizing the show, because, well, it does deserve criticism. I had forgotten about the table of girls in the restaurant because it was so unimportant and irrelevant to the action. I don't understand the personal criticism of the creator, Sam whatever. I think we should keep our comments confined to the show itself, because it just seems mean and awful to jump on someone like that who has not harmed up -- he is not a politician who votes against gay rights -- or a terribly public figure. So, his career isn't quite as grand as he wishes it were. Whose is? I give him credit for trying, at least. I'm not a snowflake, but it is horrible and hurtful to see someone personally criticized like that. Also: I don't understand the politics of this board. Less hurtful things were said about the women who write an article in eater about waiters, but that thread was shut down, yet this one remains. Why is that so? It would seem that it is ok to criticize gay men, but not straight women? Or am I missing a reason why one was shut and this continues? Im just trying to figure out when personal attacks are acceptable.

by Anonymousreply 291July 16, 2018 5:38 PM

[quote] it just seems mean and awful to jump on someone like that who has not harmed up -- he is not a politician who votes against gay rights -- or a terribly public figure. So, his career isn't quite as grand as he wishes it were. Whose is? I give him credit for trying, at least. I'm not a snowflake, but it is horrible and hurtful to see someone personally criticized like that. Also: I don't understand the politics of this board. Less hurtful things were said about the women who write an article in eater about waiters, but that thread was shut down, yet this one remains. Why is that so? It would seem that it is ok to criticize gay men, but not straight women? Or am I missing a reason why one was shut and this continues? Im just trying to figure out when personal attacks are acceptable.

I'm not speaking for everyone, but personally, I find this type of "entertainment" akin to a minstrel show for gays. Not only is it ineptly done, badly written, acted and directed, but it's insulting and portrays gay men as reductive stereotypes and nothing more. So for me, that's just as harmful as a politician who is working against the rights of gays, just in a different way. It's 2018. How much longer are we going to stand for this type of portrayal? And what's worse is- it's coming from our own community. Do you think a black filmmaker would make a web series where every character acted like Stepin Fetchitt and Amos & Andy? Of course not. So why do we have to put up with it?

by Anonymousreply 292July 16, 2018 5:57 PM

[quote] I find this type of "entertainment" akin to a minstrel show for gays.

(eyes widen) Hmm... I like it....

by Anonymousreply 293July 16, 2018 6:02 PM

[quote] Them going to the clinic didn't make sense - you think the "bad back" scene is campy and fun and then you realize they're trying to say it was real, which just seems stupid.

Agreed. I initially thought they were there because they'd set the hot waiter on fire and he was being treated for his burns, which would have made sense .The bad back thing made little sense. Who goes to the doctor for that-- take some Advil and do some stretches.

Then it made even less sense when they saw the waiter later that night and he was not burned.

by Anonymousreply 294July 16, 2018 6:06 PM

Mark Sam isn't some private person just minding his own business who just happened to get discussed about here.

He's been working 24/7 for many, many, many years to achieve a level of fame in the entertainment business. The initial thread about the Kickstarter campaign and the subsequent updates came from him or his team. There's zero reasons to be concerned about discussions about him here. He very likely welcomes this publicity.

by Anonymousreply 295July 16, 2018 6:08 PM

[quote] I don't understand the personal criticism of the creator, Sam whatever. I think we should keep our comments confined to the show itself, because it just seems mean and awful to jump on someone like that who has not harmed up -- he is not a politician who votes against gay rights -- or a terribly public figure.

Step aside, Helen. You have to be able to take the bitter with the sweet. If you can't then you must step aside. We gays have had to be much more steel-like in much more rougher situations than this.

Of ANY and ALL types of audience one had better be ready for it is the gay audience. What's the rule of thumb? "If the boys like it then it is a hit!" Now, here's where the viciousness comes in; They should have KNOWN better! This feeble attempt is nearly on the same level of that "Finding Prince Charming" mess which was deservedly RIPPED to shreds by the gay community! They should have KNOWN better too! And, apparently they have remembered since they are not trying it again, yet.

No one is looking for "War & Peace"... well yes, we are... just work with me here.... but a real attempt is expected. Not just something that is filled with nothing but cliches and stereotypes.

by Anonymousreply 296July 16, 2018 6:51 PM

25, 455 views

PLUS

2,700 Subscribers.

by Anonymousreply 297July 16, 2018 6:59 PM

[R291] Spend five minutes with Mark Sam, you'll be asking Datalounge to retract your comments!

by Anonymousreply 298July 16, 2018 7:01 PM
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by Anonymousreply 299July 16, 2018 7:03 PM

Mark Sam Rosenthal has been haunting the Manhattan entertainment scene for decades, he’s got a massive ego for someone with such a small performance skill set. He’s also not a nice person if you’re not “famous”, he deserves the bad chatter.

by Anonymousreply 300July 16, 2018 7:07 PM

That's great, R297!!!! IT REALLY IS!!! It's even more of a reason that they should have KNOWN to come with their "A" game. Didn't they do test readings, audiences, etc?

by Anonymousreply 301July 16, 2018 7:07 PM

R297 anything under 5K subscribers is woeful on YT.

by Anonymousreply 302July 16, 2018 7:23 PM

[quote][R297] anything under 5K subscribers is woeful on YT.

Not really. The show was only posted on Thursday.

I think they already had about 1,000, maybe not that many, due to the "taster" and probably much due to DL.

by Anonymousreply 303July 16, 2018 7:28 PM

[R300] hit the nail on the head.

Talent-free and (clue -free) Mark Sam will ignore you/ talk over you if you are not well known enough in that gay demi-monde he seems to think he is the king of.

Stay in Cherry Grove Mark Sam, real men aren't interested in mean queens. Your insecurity shows.

by Anonymousreply 304July 16, 2018 7:39 PM

[R299] She's old mutton done up like lamb!

by Anonymousreply 305July 16, 2018 7:40 PM

How can he be done up? - he's only wearing shorts and shades

by Anonymousreply 306July 16, 2018 7:42 PM

Just awful. This looks like what a 20something thinks turning 40 would be like. Two of the more masculine characters in this would never have a single problem getting ass (or dick) IRL. What kind of person green lights this kind of shit?

by Anonymousreply 307July 16, 2018 8:00 PM

Mark Sam gave me chlamydia and I didn't even get a lousy t-shirt!

by Anonymousreply 308July 16, 2018 8:08 PM

Because, r191,

The smartest and most talented gay men go for the bigger straight audience with shows about straight people.

But some gay creators do quality stuff, too: Dustin Lance Black and Ryan Murphy can do SOME good stuff (without ignoring they've done some garbage).

by Anonymousreply 309July 16, 2018 8:13 PM

That's an interesting take r309. I would probably add that the self-indulgent gay ghetto types who are more apt to write about themselves lack real imagination.

by Anonymousreply 310July 16, 2018 8:19 PM

Years of "creative writing" instructors who say "Write about what you know"...

by Anonymousreply 311July 16, 2018 8:25 PM

For all the Mark Sam haters, you have any more specific examples of why he’s crappy? I see lots of vague posts that add up to nothing...

Give us real gossip not vague crap.

by Anonymousreply 312July 16, 2018 8:30 PM

Look at the old thread, R312.

by Anonymousreply 313July 16, 2018 8:32 PM

[R312] Most bathroom walls south of 1515 Broadway will tell you the story...

by Anonymousreply 314July 16, 2018 8:35 PM

Is Mark Sam the one with the pornstache?

by Anonymousreply 315July 16, 2018 8:44 PM

^^Yes

by Anonymousreply 316July 16, 2018 8:50 PM

I've been on a 15 minute short on shoestring budget that went to Cannes and they've spent $12,000 and it looked professional (shot on a Cannon DSLR camera). It's not about the money but the talent of the people involved. What makes a production worth watching is production design, sound, post-production and of course good actors.

The short I was a part of was edited, post-produced and designed by 3 people, it looked gorgeous. If you have a good eye (for camera angles), good composition skills (for production design - color of the costumes actors wear, the color of the couch they're sitting on etc) you'll basically paint a beautiful picture and it doesn't cost any extra money to gather this. The director of our short used his own house and his friend's furniture for his shots.

He was particularly skilled to composite color schemes matching the clothing the actors were wearing the background they're acting in front etc. It's about about talent, really.

Invest on a good set of microfones (you'll spend about a thousand) and you're set. Even a boring script like this would look gorgeous if shot by someone with a cinematic eye.

Pay attention at the stock-filter used on the street scene between the daddy and his son then compare it with the rest. If they had used the same filter or other stock-filters on the other scenes, it would look glossier and prettier and even more professional for instance.

Move the camera around and take master shots and coverage as any series would and you have yourself a more professionally looking product. It doesn't cost a dime more to shoot in film language or to post-produce a better color scheme (any editing program can do it).

by Anonymousreply 317July 16, 2018 9:09 PM

Why not name the project R317 so that we can all take a look at it. I agree with you. It's not about the money and that is why I personally have an issue with this team implementing a crowdfunding campaign so early. There are others like myself that want to see and know how invested the principals are in their own project.

by Anonymousreply 318July 16, 2018 9:41 PM

Good advice R317. Also, learn how to spell microphones.

by Anonymousreply 319July 16, 2018 9:42 PM

Stop trying to make this happen. Its 10 years too late.

by Anonymousreply 320July 16, 2018 9:45 PM

I think you should explain what you mean by that, R320.

by Anonymousreply 321July 16, 2018 9:47 PM

[quote] What makes a production worth watching is production design, sound, post-production and of course good actors.

LMFAO

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by Anonymousreply 322July 16, 2018 9:49 PM

Mark Sam and Andy Cohen should get together.

by Anonymousreply 323July 16, 2018 9:50 PM

Well R321 there is nothing new or edgy about a group of 50 year old men pretending they are 40 with scripts and stereotypes from the 1970's.

Check out Where The Bears are if you want to see a successful Web Series, they dont pretend to be younger than they are. It was done on a shoe with armatures and they started it 7 years ago! Everything West 40's wishes it was has already been done by Where The Bears are and other web shows. West 40's is a day late and a dollar short.

by Anonymousreply 324July 16, 2018 9:56 PM

[quote]Just awful. This looks like what a 20something thinks turning 40 would be like. Two of the more masculine characters in this would never have a single problem getting ass (or dick) IRL. What kind of person green lights this kind of shit?

That +1

by Anonymousreply 325July 16, 2018 9:57 PM

i would, talent short

by Anonymousreply 326July 16, 2018 9:58 PM

I was the one who defended the director. If he is as odious as you say he is, well, I suppose he does need to be shamed a little.

by Anonymousreply 327July 16, 2018 10:07 PM

[quote]It was done on a shoe with armatures and they started it 7 years ago!

Well, I guess that beats a high heel with armoires.

by Anonymousreply 328July 16, 2018 10:08 PM

What a pathetic piece of shit. Why do old queens 50+ still hang on the the dream of being Hollywood movie stars? The actors would be more appropriate for a Golden Girls cast of characters.

by Anonymousreply 329July 16, 2018 10:09 PM

we did it with "vicious" which was also a minstrel, but straights got off on it

by Anonymousreply 330July 16, 2018 10:10 PM

[quote]What a pathetic piece of shit. Why do old queens 50+ still hang on the the dream of being Hollywood movie stars?

Oh, c'mon now... One can no longer dream or have aspirations to do other things after 50? And, this is why I hate gays...

by Anonymousreply 331July 16, 2018 10:14 PM

I watched it again, it actually gets worse, I think the problem is the characters are unlikable to the extreme, the black fatty and baby toothed giant head come across best, the lead father and TJ are emotionally stunted canon fodder, the guy always on his phone underplays everything so he is safest oncamera. The absolute absurdity of the whole cute waiter catching fire, then miraculously appearing for the final button is so hamfisted, all that endless runup for a boring project. The characters don’t actually appear to like each other, which is kind of fatal. Let it live out it’s days in the YT swamp, NOBODY wants to know what happens to TJ & Co. unless it’s a shark attack or grease fire tragedy.

by Anonymousreply 332July 16, 2018 10:28 PM

R333 what of it's some sort of mustache-related tragedy involving explosives in the Anal glide gel or flammable mustache wax?

by Anonymousreply 333July 16, 2018 10:31 PM

So stating cold hard facts is why you hate gays R331? You can aspirations all you want but reality is a different thing. At a certain point, if your dreams don't come true its time to move on. 90% of the popular actors in Hollywood are under 30 unless you are a character actor and even then that's pushing it. You can dream of being a handsome muscle bound super model all you want but if you are starting out at 60, not going to happen.

Maybe "why they hate us" is because of the vapid queens living in a Peter Pan Syndrome all the way into middle age. Some of theses guys already have their AARP card.

by Anonymousreply 334July 16, 2018 10:34 PM

Maybe the waiter was flame retardant, did you ever think of that?!

by Anonymousreply 335July 16, 2018 10:34 PM

Love Jeff Hiller and think he's waaaaay above this crap

Agreed that 'this is why they hate us.'

by Anonymousreply 336July 16, 2018 10:38 PM

The characters all speak in the same voice… it is soooo bad...

by Anonymousreply 337July 16, 2018 10:43 PM

TJ looks like he survives on a steady diet of pepperoni and poppers.

by Anonymousreply 338July 16, 2018 10:50 PM

Are all NYC gays this shallow, pretentios and unlikable? No wonder the rest of the gays are leaving the city in droves.

by Anonymousreply 339July 16, 2018 11:02 PM

Feels like a media studies attempt at « The A-List »...

by Anonymousreply 340July 16, 2018 11:07 PM

50 year old men lusting after 20 something young men, THAT is why they hate us.

by Anonymousreply 341July 16, 2018 11:07 PM

Why are they suddenly 50?

They make it very clear they're in their forties...including the title.

by Anonymousreply 342July 16, 2018 11:15 PM

[quote]They make it very clear they're in their forties...including the title.

LOL and Donald Trump is the greatest president EVER! He makes it very clear too. If those guys are actually still in their 40's, them is some rough 40 years.

by Anonymousreply 343July 16, 2018 11:28 PM

In the old thread there was a photo of Mark Sam with his 40th Birthday cake, taken two years ago.

by Anonymousreply 344July 16, 2018 11:30 PM

this looks absolutely stupid, shallow, and juvenille - gay guy who is turning 42 next month here.

by Anonymousreply 345July 16, 2018 11:30 PM

August 12, 2014. Therefore he's still 43.

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by Anonymousreply 346July 16, 2018 11:34 PM

Who acts like that at the age of 40? R345 is right, its very juvenile and I might add a bad stereotype for the gay community.

by Anonymousreply 347July 16, 2018 11:34 PM

Mark Sam looks like the elderly dude who is always staying too long in the steam room with a head full of dreams and a towel full of nothing...

by Anonymousreply 348July 16, 2018 11:35 PM

[quote]In the old thread there was a photo of Mark Sam with his 40th Birthday cake, taken two years ago.

Did he get 40 shockingly white caps to go with that overly wide fake teethy smile he keeps trying to show off?

by Anonymousreply 349July 16, 2018 11:36 PM

WW for R348 LOL.

by Anonymousreply 350July 16, 2018 11:37 PM

R348 I commend you for that poetry.

by Anonymousreply 351July 16, 2018 11:37 PM

I'm not R317 but I also know people (two of them are friends I spent time with while they were doing it) who made a 15 minute short, edited it together and got it into Cannes. They all ended up getting great jobs afterwards. Their team was composed of about 5 people total.

Their budget was even less than $12,000 and the film looked fantastic. Why? They had an excellent cinematographer and editor.

The cinematographer (who is also a friend) told me that the goal is always to be able to tell a story without any sound. So if the story works visually then that was all they really needed. There was dialogue, but you could have watched it on silence and it would have made sense. Having a great looking film can help elevate lackluster material.

When I look at this, it looks like amateur hour. Even the colour grading is unmotivated. I agree with the people who said they didn't play up the NYC angle enough. If they were going for a sitcom type vibe they did it all wrong and didn't even pay attention to or watch the things that they should have been emulating.

Someone they worked with, in my friend's film, knew a graduate student at a music school who was a composer. With his help and the help of a few of his friends they wrote and put together all original music for the film. The only song that wasn't original they got the rights to use by contacting the singer's people, explaining who they were and sending him a copy of the film. Three months later, he agreed to let them use it but only for film festivals because he loved it.

Even if they couldn't afford a great cinematographer, there are many talented people (especially students who would never turn anything in that looked like this) who are just looking for the chance to work on something like this while they wait for their big break. They would have done this cheaply or for free.

As for the script, if they wanted to write jokes, they should have hired a comedian to look it over or punch it up and the "actors" clearly needed a better director to make up for their lack of training.

by Anonymousreply 352July 16, 2018 11:46 PM

This is like a very bad vanilla version of Boys in the Band with 1980's negative stereotypes of aging gay men. It's not even funny. Just pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 353July 16, 2018 11:58 PM

R352, absolutely agree, what puzzled a friend who worked with a few of the creatives on this is that it would seem, due to the original Kickstarter take having vanished into the black hole of the Pilot, that they paid for everything, they’ve toiled in the industry for DECADES, where was the army of friends and fellow tv folks who may have helped out gratis, where was the college talents eager to assist? I think it speaks VOLUMES about reputation and favor, I would also image Mark Sam spent a great deal on “creature comforts” as he fashions himself a bit of a celebrity and I’m NOT kidding!

by Anonymousreply 354July 17, 2018 12:51 AM

I didn't understand the table of women in the restaurant. At first it seems like they're interested in the dad character or they were going to feature in the plot in some way

by Anonymousreply 355July 17, 2018 1:14 AM

^ Somebody addressed one reason upthread: 1) Filler. They had to do something to pad those 15 minutes!

2) And the reaction shots of the female patrons emphasized just how hysterically amusing Mark Sam's character and his friends were. Eyeroll.

by Anonymousreply 356July 17, 2018 1:19 AM

[quote]I didn't understand the table of women in the restaurant. At first it seems like they're interested in the dad character or they were going to feature in the plot in some way

What plot?

by Anonymousreply 357July 17, 2018 1:22 AM

I feel like I should re-watch it If I'm going to keep commenting on this thread. But it feels like real homework. I just can't face it.

by Anonymousreply 358July 17, 2018 1:25 AM

And, so how many will be watching the next episode???

by Anonymousreply 359July 17, 2018 1:31 AM

[quote]And, so how many will be watching the next episode???

We'll all watch it. Don't be silly.

by Anonymousreply 360July 17, 2018 1:34 AM

R359, there won’t be another episode if they don’t grift another 25K, and then we’ll have to wait four months for the next dreadful 13 minutes of failing.

by Anonymousreply 361July 17, 2018 1:34 AM

those gays... they’re soooo creative.

by Anonymousreply 362July 17, 2018 1:38 AM

That was a brunch? In that dark restaurant? Creepy.

by Anonymousreply 363July 17, 2018 1:43 AM

Four months?? I don't think we can wait that long.

by Anonymousreply 364July 17, 2018 1:50 AM

R363 right? That entire restaurant scene looks like it was filmed at The Cheesecake Factory in Clinton, Iowa.

by Anonymousreply 365July 17, 2018 1:59 AM

So no one else thought they were in urgent care because they'd set the waiter on fire?

by Anonymousreply 366July 17, 2018 2:02 AM

I wouldn't watch a 2nd episode. I've seen all I need to see. This thing isn't suddenly going to get any better or more competent.

by Anonymousreply 367July 17, 2018 2:06 AM

abort abort abort!

by Anonymousreply 368July 17, 2018 2:06 AM

Holy shit, R363, it was?!

I had no idea it was supposed to be brunch. I thought it was nighttime and they were having a meal before going clubbing. It looked like night to me.

by Anonymousreply 369July 17, 2018 3:03 PM

Stop trying to make Mark Sam "happen".

If it didn't happen already, it's not going to.

He will tell anyone who will listen that he went to college with Seth Meyers and that they were "friends".

When he told me that, I asked him if he could get Meyers on the phone. He instantly turned on me and we were never cool again.

maybe now he can go on his show and plug this gem!

by Anonymousreply 370July 17, 2018 3:16 PM

The female patron's quick cameo was likely deals struck for large sucker payouts to the Kickstarter money pit campaign.

by Anonymousreply 371July 17, 2018 3:18 PM

[quote]I had no idea it was supposed to be brunch. I thought it was nighttime and they were having a meal before going clubbing. It looked like night to me.

It is nighttime.

by Anonymousreply 372July 17, 2018 3:21 PM

Short films at festivals are calling cards for the directors to interest industry types in making a feature-length film with them, usually. Some are short, teaser versions of the feature the director wants to make.

Most of them are student films that used family money, student loans and/ or credit.

Otherwise, they are calling cards for a particular animation or visual effects company to interest others in using them for feature films or TV.

Some are just short works of art and passion projects — especially experimental films.

But NO, most of them don’t make money or get theatrical/ TV distribution. They may wind up on Youtube making a little or none.

Do you pay for short films? I didn’t think so.

There are, however, a select few that get distribution. For example, any short film that gets an Oscar nomination automatically gets theatrical and on-demand streaming distribution these days. Also, some gay companies still buy shorts to combine for a feature-length show, such as Strand’s Boys Life series.

But we’re talking chump change.

A lot of gays make shorts because there’s a lack of gay stories from Hollywood.

by Anonymousreply 373July 17, 2018 4:03 PM

With all due respect R370, your criticism comes across to me as even more than personal. There's almost a bitterness. Why not root for the guy--even if he's an ass? I'm the type of person who wants to see, and likes to see, people succeed. If the project doesn't work then it doesn't work. Criticize the project and probably the person too, but not to encourage them to keep trying? That's not very nice.

I so disagree with, R334. Okay, maybe a person can't be a famous actor but there are other ways to get that passion out and use those talents. Teach! Design some type of corporate class that uses acting schools. Start a business. There are so may ways to re-channel one's passions to other areas.

by Anonymousreply 374July 17, 2018 4:04 PM

But R372, some are saying it was supposed to be brunch.

by Anonymousreply 375July 17, 2018 4:05 PM

The most interesting character was the lap-dancer. That character probably has some stories to tell.

by Anonymousreply 376July 17, 2018 4:09 PM

[quote]The most interesting character was the lap-dancer.

I actually thought he was good too!

by Anonymousreply 377July 17, 2018 4:10 PM

Omg!

by Anonymousreply 378July 17, 2018 4:13 PM

[quote]But [R372], some are saying it was supposed to be brunch.

They weren't concentrating when they were watching it.

A few people round here need to buckle down and re-watch it. I know it's a chore, but life isn't a bowl of cherries.

by Anonymousreply 379July 17, 2018 4:14 PM

I hope r237 isn't talking about Kevin Spirtas' laughable AFTER FOREVER.

It's extremely campy and amateurish. Nothing like HUSTLING at all. But worth watching for the camp factor -- especially the melodramatic reaction that happens after the gimmick is revealed.

I've loved Kevin since FRIDAY THE 13TH PART 7, though.

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by Anonymousreply 380July 17, 2018 4:44 PM

The absolute best was FAGNEY & GAYCEY, r247.

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by Anonymousreply 381July 17, 2018 4:48 PM

[R380] I fisted Kevin Spirtas

by Anonymousreply 382July 17, 2018 4:59 PM

r248 is pretending that amateur crap on Youtube or token Hollywood sidekicks are equal to the depth and breadth of what straight people have to choose from, telling their stories and placing them in leading roles.

NEWS FLASH: Youtube and the indie video world have 10 times as much amateurish garbage about straight characters, too!

by Anonymousreply 383July 17, 2018 5:05 PM

yeah, r251.

A laugh track is what WEST '40s needs. That'll turn it into something.

by Anonymousreply 384July 17, 2018 5:08 PM

Sam @ r255 is never going to let go.

THAT'S the comedy.

by Anonymousreply 385July 17, 2018 5:11 PM

Sounds like r250 just needs to check out some of the smaller, gay distributors like Strand Releasing, Wolfe Video, Peccadillo Pictures and dekkoo.

But you'll really be scraping the bottom of a gigantic barrel. Maybe you should start by Googling "best gay short films" and take some critics' suggestions.

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by Anonymousreply 386July 17, 2018 5:20 PM

I guess r278 missed Bo Burnham's career trajectory.

And Paul Downs. There are others.

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by Anonymousreply 387July 17, 2018 5:35 PM

r291 = Mark Sam.

by Anonymousreply 388July 17, 2018 5:41 PM

READ OUR LIPS, r312:

WEST '40S IS NOT FUNNY.

And all the characters and stories are tired and overdone. Still too vague for you?

by Anonymousreply 389July 17, 2018 5:49 PM

ALL of these flamers are retarded, r335!

by Anonymousreply 390July 17, 2018 5:56 PM

I'd love to see a live screening with Q&A in Manhattan- that will shut down any further discussion of "Episode 2"

by Anonymousreply 391July 17, 2018 6:42 PM

[quote]I'd love to see a live screening with Q&A in Manhattan- that will shut down any further discussion of "Episode 2"

While some of these comments can be akin to having a stake driven through the heart, I do hope that the people involved with this project read through them, and then take the constructive criticism to use in bettering their final product.

by Anonymousreply 392July 17, 2018 6:54 PM

I'm a staffed writer. I'm also gay. The show I'm writing for is mediocre at best but it's drama. There are lots and lots of gays writing comedy for TV. Usually not about ourselves. I find it hard to criticize this show because I know how hard it is to produce something. This business is made of hundreds of writers whose names you wouldn't recognize, yet we're making a living.

There are currently 500 scripted shows to choose from. Most comedies hire from 5 to 11 writers and dramas 3 to 8. Do the math.

by Anonymousreply 393July 17, 2018 7:13 PM

R392 “take the constructive criticism to use in bettering their final product” you don’t know Mark Sam, he’s incapable of such a feat.

by Anonymousreply 394July 17, 2018 7:15 PM

Keep at it, R393! Keep at it!

by Anonymousreply 395July 17, 2018 7:17 PM

[quote] I guess [R278] missed Bo Burnham's career trajectory. And Paul Downs. There are others.

You're talking apples and oranges. Yes, there have been many success stories from YouTube (though few who have gone on to sustained mainstream success, but several who have been given the chance to break out). But a YouTuber and a web series are two very different things. A "vlog" or a demonstration show and the like... they aren't web series. Glozell, Logan Paul, Miranda Sings, Pew Die Pie, etc. all of those people have found huge success within the YouTube universe and some have been given other opportunities, but none of them are from the web series world.

by Anonymousreply 396July 17, 2018 7:36 PM

In all honesty web series in general are prehistoric in 2018 and rarely reward, these guys should of simply shot an eight to ten minute sizzle reel and tried to sell it, but I think even they knew it was going to be an uphill battle. Have they even secured a major agency representation for the project? It all just reeks of a desperate vanity project.

by Anonymousreply 397July 17, 2018 10:07 PM

To the poster upthread: I also thought they were in the hospital because of the burnt waiter. And that hospital looked like the set was a blank wall with a few stacking chairs. it was not a believable set at all.

I am unfamiliar with web series, but I would assume that more than one episode would be available at roughly the same time. Why would you risk losing momentum by not even having the second show filmed? The world moves fast; we might forget about the series by the time the second one is available, and we might forget everything about the show and the characters.

by Anonymousreply 398July 18, 2018 5:23 AM

[quote] web series in general are prehistoric in 2018

What has replaced them?

by Anonymousreply 399July 18, 2018 6:03 AM

R399 YouTube in general. Just film it and post it, ta da!

by Anonymousreply 400July 18, 2018 6:44 AM

Thanks, R386! I will check them out. But, the type of projects that I want to see are those projects that are still developing and growing. I mean that these projects should have something of substance but they are still in development.

I did not invest but I made a nice donation (well, in my opinion), to the project below in the link. There were A LOT of steps to get from paper to where they are in the link. I want to find and support (either financially or physically... whatever I can do) projects that are maybe 1-2 steps from a finished product.

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by Anonymousreply 401July 18, 2018 11:29 AM

[quote]web series in general are prehistoric in 2018

Gurl, please.

This has been a great window for his product, with great exposure. If it had been terrific it could have lead to greater things

by Anonymousreply 402July 18, 2018 11:39 AM

Truth Of The Day Award for r402

by Anonymousreply 403July 18, 2018 12:18 PM

R401, there are gay visual artists looking for investors on Kickstarter and GoFundMe every day. Just do a search -- I believe those sites even have sorting categories for LGBT, film & video.

If you have big bucks to spend, the labs involved with the Sundance Institute, Tribeca Film Festival and Independent Film Project are development markets where you can fund everything from web series, to feature films and TV. They are vetted/curated selections with top industry players.

I.F.P. is how MOONLIGHT got funded, for example.

by Anonymousreply 404July 18, 2018 4:41 PM

[quote] Gurl, please. This has been a great window for his product, with great exposure. If it had been terrific it could have lead to greater things.

No it hasn't and no it wouldn't. There HAVE been way better web series that were talked about like crazy and nothing came from them. Web Series ARE dead. And to the person asking what replaced them? Streaming channels replaced them. Why go looking for web series on YouTube (or other platforms) when you have Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, HBOGo, Showtime Anytime, TubiTV, FilmStruck, Fandor, Shudder, Crackle, CBS All Access, and the thousand other streaming channels currently putting up original programming that is not only better but actually has a marketing budget and makes viewers aware they exist? This is why web series never happened. The medium wasn't usurped, the platform was.

by Anonymousreply 405July 18, 2018 4:53 PM

Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! R405. How do you think that something that end up on Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, HBOGo, Showtime Anytime, TubiTV, FilmStruck, Fandor, Shudder, Crackle, CBS All Access, is found? If a story idea isn't pitched to them, and they green light it, where are they finding this content?

by Anonymousreply 406July 18, 2018 5:15 PM

[quote][R401], there are gay visual artists looking for investors on Kickstarter and GoFundMe every day. Just do a search -- I believe those sites even have sorting categories for LGBT, film & video.

Thank you, R404. I'm an avid KickStarter follower and have supported a few projects on that site. I shy away from the Indiegogo's and similar sites. Here's my thing; If you can't even make your initial financial goals from your own sources and hustle then there is something wrong. As a few posters have noted above, I want to see demonstrations of the originator's passion(s) to get their project completed. Sweat equity is GREAT and appreciated but how much is one REALLY willing to risk? Besides, I've been disappointed with the Indiegogo's, et alia (they get money instantaneously) and many projects never get done.

It saddens me a bit that crowdfunding sites like the one I linked to and Pinkstart(dot)me are not getting more attention in our community. Absolutely do the others, (whether you're starting a campaign or donating), but let's support our own community too!

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by Anonymousreply 407July 18, 2018 5:43 PM

Surely they didn’t ONLY film the pilot with that take, they had to film more, right? RIGHT?!

by Anonymousreply 408July 18, 2018 5:49 PM

[quote]Surely they didn’t ONLY film the pilot with that take, they had to film more, right? RIGHT?!

They had better, but...

by Anonymousreply 409July 18, 2018 5:50 PM

Mark Sam Rosenthal @marksamiam

9 Aug 2014

Some 22 y.o. just asked her gay best friend if I was a DILF. 40 will be here on Tuesday, and I can already tell it's gonna kick ass!!

by Anonymousreply 410July 18, 2018 6:21 PM

It doesn't reflect well upon you R410 if you are looking for and finding tweets from 2014.

by Anonymousreply 411July 18, 2018 6:31 PM

Mark Sam is truly repulsive, he’s everything you avoid in life.

by Anonymousreply 412July 18, 2018 8:00 PM

[quote] Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! [R405]. How do you think that something that end up on Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, HBOGo, Showtime Anytime, TubiTV, FilmStruck, Fandor, Shudder, Crackle, CBS All Access, is found? If a story idea isn't pitched to them, and they green light it, where are they finding this content?

The same way they found content for television. Going through writers and producers with track records and representation. You've missed my point completely (not surprising since you clearly don't know how things work). But let me lay it out for you again.

Web series creators were hoping (understandably) that producing their own content and putting it out for consumption on their own terms (be it on YouTube or any other platform that does not need to go through a distributor- in short having the entire process be DIY) would lead to them getting discovered by television execs or agents or producers and then lead to jobs for them working in that medium. Instead, execs poached the platform they were on and adapted it to work within the television and film system, and bypassing all the web series content creators (with very very few exceptions as previously noted).

by Anonymousreply 413July 18, 2018 8:15 PM

[quote]Instead, execs poached the platform they were on and adapted it to work within the television and film system, and bypassing all the web series content creators (with very very few exceptions as previously noted).

Exactly R413. Is it possible someone could be discovered from a web series?

Yes.

Is it likely?

No, the odds are very much against that happening for 98% of the people doing it.

At the best one could end up like Brian Jordan Alvarez who had a very successful web series, gained a lot of popularity online for it, but still has to do bit parts on TV shows and still isn't having his work distributed off of Youtube. The man could have ended up as a writer for a major or even minor series but instead he is still hustling.

People really do need to stop confusing Vloggers and Youtubers. I'd say it's more possible (although still difficult) to find success and make money as a vlogger on other platforms since ultimately you're selling yourself as a host and personality which, of course, is different from producing a whole show in a narrative format hoping that it will get picked up by a larger entity.

There are people who have worked on a few different web series that have gotten better jobs after. However, I'd argue those people were already on their way beforehand.

by Anonymousreply 414July 18, 2018 9:26 PM

I'm directing this question to those who are in the know; Is it possible that there is just so much crap, (and you think that this is bad?), on YouTube that it is just too overwhelming AND aggravating to search for anything and you just abandon the whole platform? I mean... I get that everyone wants to be a star. I also get that it is very, very, cheap to make content these days, but these are people who consider themselves (or want to be) professional and they upload material that you can't hear and/or see! Just awful! It reminds me of all of these Instagram accounts which are FLOODING the internet! Who is the audience?

by Anonymousreply 415July 18, 2018 11:27 PM

It is no different than it has always been R415.

Film is a collaborative medium. That means, in all cases, to create something truly great you have to have a group of people that are all great at their jobs. Just because you're a good writer doesn't mean (if you produce something) you're going to be good at casting, doing sound, shooting the thing, lighting the thing, etc. Just because you're a good actor that doesn't mean you'll be good writing your own material, directing yourself, shooting yourself, etc. The same thing goes for if someone wants to put something on youtube. If you're going to put a project up there to promote yourself then it has to be good on all fronts to help cut through the noise.

Most people don't know how youtube actually works. The bigger youtubers, give the appearance of being men and women who point cameras at themselves, edit a video together and then post them. That's not the case. Look at "Philip DeFranco" for example. Most of them are people with entire teams shooting and editing them. They have accountants, managers, agents and publicists. Many of them are part of major corporations that own their channels or at the last air ads on their channels. They also work directly with youtube and one another to promote their channels properly so that their content is seen. Some of them even have office spaces and people that work for them. A lot of them even have multiple channels they run and manage.

Also, no. Youtube will not deal directly with most youtubers. You have to have a certain number of subscribers and views prior to posting whatever content you want to post on your channel before anyone will deal with you. Did you know youtube has a production space in NYC that you can use if you have over 10,000 subscribers with all the equipment you could need to shoot a video?

I said it's no different than how it is has always been because you could have been the greatest actor or actress in the world but unless you're part of something that people "see" then that's not going to help you. How do people get their films seen? They have the right people involved and the projects are promoted the right way. Youtube has its own rules. You can put any project up there but unless you are actively promoting the project outside of youtube and designing your post to best make use of their algorithm no one will see it.

And the primary audience of youtube is 18-49 year olds.

Most filmmakers would do better to think of Youtube as a place where their project can be stored and viewed as opposed to thinking just putting it up there will get them attention.

by Anonymousreply 416July 19, 2018 12:00 AM

[quote] And the primary audience of youtube is 18-49 year olds.

Actually, the primary audience of YouTube is 13-19.

by Anonymousreply 417July 19, 2018 2:05 AM

[quote]Actually, the primary audience of YouTube is 13-19.

Actually, groups 18-24, 25-34 and 34-44 are the largest groups that view youtube.

Ages 18-24 and 24-34 differ by 1% and 25-34 and 34-44 differing by 5%.

So yes, 18-49 are the primary people viewing youtube depending on what chart you look at and how it is divided.

by Anonymousreply 418July 19, 2018 2:18 AM

R415 and others need to understand that Youtube is different and STILL making some successful web series because "Netflix, Hulu, HBOGo, Showtime Anytime, TubiTV, FilmStruck, Fandor, Shudder, Crackle, CBS All Access" exclude them.

Those are all platforms for old, new and LIMITED content from the major studios and networks. Just because a network didn't pick a series doesn't mean it's bad. In fact, networks have a history of rushing to kill TV shows if they don't deliver instantly before a show can find an audience and grow.

Vloggers AND web series still make money -- although less -- on the DIY platforms, as they should. Hollywood needs competition and it doesn't have room for everyone.

This is not to say the WEST 40s is good or anything.

by Anonymousreply 419July 19, 2018 6:53 AM

r407, you can also approach web series that are already in production and playing, and offer to help financially or creatively.

I think HUNTER AND JESSICA were hilarious. They had great joke-writing and character skills -- they would have made an awesome sitcom with more money and know-how. And personnel.

It's a tragedy that nobody turned them into a sitcom. I want them all the time!

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by Anonymousreply 420July 19, 2018 7:03 AM

The photo at R420 is such a turnoff I wouldn't ever want to watch that show. It looks like complete amateur hour.

by Anonymousreply 421July 19, 2018 2:47 PM

I just watched that Jessica and Hunter clip. It is hysterical. It manages to touch on stereotypes, but yet make them amusing. Bravo. I will watch others in the series. Thanks for the heads up.

by Anonymousreply 422July 19, 2018 2:57 PM

^^ Jessica and/or Hunter

by Anonymousreply 423July 19, 2018 3:16 PM

The clip was surprisingly watchable.

by Anonymousreply 424July 19, 2018 3:22 PM

Jessica and Hunter was garbage. Not funny, tired stereotypes, shitty acting and bad camerawork. The reflection of the set lights were plastered on Hunter's sunglasses during the entire interview. It looked like there was a big white smudge on his face.

by Anonymousreply 425July 19, 2018 4:40 PM

Tell me what you think!

The New 30 is a six episode gay web series dramedy about a diverse group of friends discovering life in their 40's isn't quite what they imagined. Please Subscribe, Share, Comment and Like so we can bring you Season 2!

Funded through Kickstarter.

Written by Walt Bost & John Sobrack

Directed by Walt Bost

Production Company: Peggie Sue Productions

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by Anonymousreply 426July 19, 2018 4:53 PM

[quote]Jessica and Hunter was garbage.

Yes, very bad.

by Anonymousreply 427July 19, 2018 4:53 PM

R426, had a very successful fundraising campaign!

368 backers pledged $30,166 to help bring this project to life. The goal was $30K

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by Anonymousreply 428July 19, 2018 5:02 PM

Interesting about The New 30. Each of their episodes averages roughly 50K views (including the pilot) with the exception of Episode THREE, which has 294K views. Reason? The title of the episode is Tree Sex.

by Anonymousreply 429July 19, 2018 5:21 PM

I work for a company managing several Youtube channels. I can give you an idea of how much money you'd make from a series like this.

As for today (July/2018) given the World cup etc, Youtube paid $687 for every million views on the top channel we manage (that is after Youtube took - 45%). This particular channel is in Brazil, the US version of this channel is much less popular and it made $132 per million views. The Brazilian version has 17 million subscribers, the US version has only 400,000.

I'd say that given the number of engagement and views of these small shows, they could make about $3,000 for the whole ordeal, whereas the above mentioned channel made $145,144 bucks in the last 28 days.

by Anonymousreply 430July 19, 2018 5:54 PM

r421 judges books by their covers. Hunter & Jessica are hilarious -- their bits are satires of tacky people.

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by Anonymousreply 431July 19, 2018 6:03 PM

Is the guy with the mustache at the 11 second mark wearing a denim shirt Mark Sam?

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by Anonymousreply 432July 19, 2018 6:11 PM

[quote]I work for a company managing several Youtube channels.

Interesting! Off topic, but is this how the right-wing literally took control of YouTube during the 2016 election? I point this out because I'm still amazed by this channel; "Right-Side Broadcasting" which pretty much created a network on YouTube (and everyone thought that it was the prelude to Trump TV) with, (I believe), only a $400 investment! After Trump won, it has been floundering. Very interesting story.

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by Anonymousreply 433July 19, 2018 6:15 PM

[quote] [R421] judges books by their covers. Hunter & Jessica are hilarious -- their bits are satires of tacky people.

Yeah... nope. I watched a few minutes of the DUI thing. I will admit to being wrong. it was even worse than I imagined. Stop shilling for your friends. they suck and there's a reason no one's ever heard of that show.

by Anonymousreply 434July 19, 2018 6:22 PM

So, I guess DataLounge IS an important site for these web series to market. "West 40s" people! Are you the originators of these threads???

I was looking for this particular web series that I liked and thought well done. Then, LOOK what I found!!!

Zach & Dennis

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by Anonymousreply 435July 19, 2018 6:41 PM

[quote]So, I guess DataLounge IS an important site for these web series to market.

Of course it is.

4300 views on this thread and many 1000s on the old one.

by Anonymousreply 436July 19, 2018 6:51 PM

R433 it varies. Some companies are just the LLC of a single Youtuber managing small channels and taking advantage of their own subscriber base to inflate their client's channel. Others are created by PR executives, independent business people to exclusively hunt for talent and then offer the infrastructure someone would not get on their own.

I'd guess that maybe some rich right-winger saw some potential and put together a way to finance like-minded people. Though the majority of right-wing content has been swiped by Youtube after people posted those videos showing David Hogg being coached by a CNN person.

Most conspiracy channels (several with thousands of viewers) were censored, which to me as a free speech advocate is appalling.

by Anonymousreply 437July 19, 2018 6:54 PM

R435 is what a web series on low budget should look like. Great Cinematography and attention to angles and color, plus decent actors being themselves not a walking stereotype.

by Anonymousreply 438July 19, 2018 7:02 PM

Zach and Dennis is interesting. The first episode got 1.4 million views. The 2nd episode came out only a couple weeks later and got 1/10 of that amount, and hovered there for a couple more episodes before dropping to 79K, 50K, and then 14K for the most recent episode which was about 9 months ago. And they only have 6.5K subscribers which is a terrible conversion rate.

I'm not passing any judgment on the show. I watched the first half of the first episode and it seemed fine. Certainly shot and acted much better than this West 40s garbage and more realistically written, but I didn't find it compelling enough to continue (which is just me- or maybe not considering the dropoff in viewers). I did a quick search and saw that it didn't seem to get any press whatsoever, yet still managed over 1 million views for the first episode. I think that's impressive and I'd love to know just how they did get the word out.

But again, this is showing that web series really are unable to sustain themselves. People don't seem to want to come back and watch another episode of something on youtube that's a series (with very few exceptions.) This show was short enough that it made me wonder if subsequent episodes would have done better had they released them all at the same time.

Personally, I hate watching scripted shows on a computer. I love watching TV on my 65" screen at home and I have set times I put aside for doing just that. If I'm sitting in front of my computer, chances are I'm doing six things at once and I can't stop to watch a TV show. Even watching the few series I did like- Submissions Only, He's With Me, Wallflowers, Shangela & Jenifer... if I couldn't marathon them, then I had a hard time remembering and making myself go back for new episodes once each was released. And that's one of the big differences between web series and TV and why one doesn't work and the other does.

by Anonymousreply 439July 19, 2018 7:39 PM

[quote] I did a quick search and saw that it didn't seem to get any press whatsoever...

I'll only speak for myself but there just aren't many gay oriented outlets to "go to" anymore. And, those that are around don't really ever focus on subjects like web series and other creative stuff. I know he's a DataLounger and I mean no offense to him at all, but I'm not a faithful reader of "JoeMyGod". I'll go to that site only if there is some specific story that draws me to it. The same can be said for "TowelRoad" and I probably look at "Queerty" a bit more because they send out an alert that flashes on my screen with their most compelling story (the one that will be the draw) that grabs my attention. However, even after reading the story, I just do a cursory view of other stories to see what else, (if anything) grabs my attention.

But, I'd say that this is the same thing for mainstream media too. Funny! I was just speaking to Sheryl Tucker Hilliard (google her) about this a few weeks ago. She's gotten out of the journalism and media profession because they're all facing the same dilemma; How do you draw eyes and maintain/increase stickyness.

I liked "Zach & Dennis". I think it jumped the shark on the last episode but overall I thought it was well done. The last web series which was MUST SEE TV for me was an Italian webs eries. They built an audience and then went to a pay per view business model. But, they started on YouTube.

I liked "He's With Me" too!

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by Anonymousreply 440July 19, 2018 8:13 PM

The Right Side Broadcasting network was probably Russian trolls paid by the Russian government only to influence the 2016 election.

Something else will crop up in 2018 or 2020, then disappear.

by Anonymousreply 441July 19, 2018 8:39 PM

No, r439.

In show business, if there's a steep drop-off in viewership after the first installment of something, it means people didn't like it.

They were willing to give something new a chance, then they realized it's not worth staying with.

It's not short attention spans, it's QUALITY.

by Anonymousreply 442July 19, 2018 8:45 PM

r440, you can always read the ADVOCATE -- it reviews and announces a lot of gay shows.

It's a damn shame that the HERE TV network and Regent Entertainment collapsed from ineptitude and probable embezzlement, because they have held up many great titles and the careers of many LGBT filmmakers and journalists.

At least you would still have DANTE'S COVE, which was good for the eye candy, at least.

It sounds like you need to browse the shows on dekkoo:

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by Anonymousreply 443July 19, 2018 8:53 PM

The thing is, if there were ever any GOOD gay series, we would hear about it through the media.

Especially DL or the gay blogosphere and other critics. The problem is, most of these fringe and beginning filmmakers aren't talented yet, if ever.

by Anonymousreply 444July 19, 2018 8:55 PM

[quote]It sounds like you need to browse the shows on dekkoo:

Well, they get ten points for starting off with a good graphic! I like leather!!!!

by Anonymousreply 445July 19, 2018 8:59 PM

You bitch... people simply do not support gay media...

"Grand Daddy Elder Gay, please tell me the true story about PlanetOut Inc...."

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by Anonymousreply 446July 19, 2018 10:14 PM

Has West 40’s died yet? Please wake me when it’s taken off life support.

by Anonymousreply 447July 20, 2018 12:42 PM

Well, it seems to have flatlined at 32K views. I think in the first two days it got over 20K, so word of mouth must be dire. Or non-existent..

by Anonymousreply 448July 20, 2018 3:12 PM

Overall I think the pilot is fun and entertaining. But I was a bit puzzled why the son was so eager to hang out with his daddy and his friends. I mean I found them entertaining 'n all, but I really had trouble to believe that this teen would be that interested in hanging out with these 40s guys. The whole pilot made a point that guys in their 40s are still desirable by much younger men. Fair enough. Feel-Good Fiction.

I think the funds were really wasted filming in NY and then not feature NY specific things. It was all small studio sets that could have been in Canada. But I guess the whole budget would have been blown on travel expenses.

You need a great team, who believes in the project and can work great together, in order to create something great. Cheapen out on one part / job or have some crazy drama queen in your midst and it all goes to shit and becomes, at best, a hot mess.

There is some great stuff on Youtube. Way better than what's available on, say, LOGO. And really, you don't HAVE to like 100% of gay themed media content, just know where to look and enjoy what's out there and support what you like (praise it on social media, buy merchandise, donate to crowfunding for future projects, etc.).

by Anonymousreply 449July 20, 2018 5:16 PM

[quote]he whole pilot made a point that guys in their 40s are still desirable by much younger men. Fair enough. Feel-Good Fiction.

Ten points! LOL!

by Anonymousreply 450July 20, 2018 5:25 PM

[quote] I think the funds were really wasted filming in NY and then not feature NY specific things. It was all small studio sets that could have been in Canada. But I guess the whole budget would have been blown on travel expenses.

Why would they shoot in Canada when the entire cast and crew lives in NYC?

by Anonymousreply 451July 20, 2018 5:30 PM

You rarely build sets for a pilot unless it doesn’t exist (scifi stuff) or you need to destroy parts of it (action/disaster), or you can’t rent the real thing. Sets mean you also need to rent studio space, and store the set when not shooting (plus set up and strike each time). Not financially smart especially for this kind of low budget project. But yes, the locations they rented/borrowed and the way they shot it looked very generic, except for the touristy exteriors montage which could have been stock footage.

by Anonymousreply 452July 20, 2018 7:22 PM

One would have thought that they would somehow use the name of the restaurant or incorporate it in some manner. I think I remember them showing the plating of the food. Anyway, that would have been the opportunity to score some funding from the restaurant. I might watch it again (I mean it's only like 20 minutes) in an attempt to pick up on some of the criticisms made here.

by Anonymousreply 453July 20, 2018 7:34 PM

[quote]donate to crowfunding for future projects, etc.).

I’m not donating to any damn birds. They can build their own homes, why would they need my money?

by Anonymousreply 454July 20, 2018 7:38 PM

They just need to stop wasting money hanging out at the crowbar.

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by Anonymousreply 455July 20, 2018 7:43 PM

Okay, this was the restaurant.

EE Grill House (Which is now permanently closed)

233 W 49th St, New York, NY 10019, b/t Broadway & 8th Ave, Theater District, Midtown West

That's not good in my opinion. A lot of people can't relate to it or never will. Even though the series is supposed to take place in Hell's Kitchen they could have met at Elmo's. Every gay (and others) know of it. Or, the restaurant 44th & X.

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by Anonymousreply 456July 20, 2018 10:33 PM

The minute I saw they filmed at EE Grill House, a restaurant that no Hell’s Kitchen resident would ever go to, I knew it was doom time. That and the American Eagle girls x-small jacket TJ was wearing!

by Anonymousreply 457July 20, 2018 10:52 PM

The Black guy wearing a Robert Graham shirt says something I guess but not enough to send a message of trust fund baby to me. But, none of them were really distinctive enough in their dress to me.

Gusty Winds used to be a rather well-known drag queen. They could picked a better choice.

The bar was the FairyTail Lounge. (West 48th St). All in all I still don't get the feeling of Hell's Kitchen. But, that's me.

One dancer was wearing a cut-off shirt with the Nasty Pig logo. It probably would have worked better if the name "Nasty Pig" was shown. Also, they never gave him credit....OOPS! Yes, they did. I would think (since they are in Hell's Kitchen) that they could have got a dancer with some name recognition or more recognizable to many, like a Seth Fornea, who would have appeared as a stripper for free. Also, there are people credit in this short piece who I can't even place or remember.

I didn't like any of the music.

I'm not trying to put a damper on their effort. For whatever reason it just did not really work for me. It just didn't really come together for me.

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by Anonymousreply 458July 20, 2018 11:19 PM

Isn't the Will Sheridan in the credits for one of the songs the same guy who played basketball at Villanova and then came out after he graduated?

by Anonymousreply 459July 20, 2018 11:24 PM

They really had a rather large production crew for this effort! Wow! (I've just taken the time to look at the credits)

by Anonymousreply 460July 20, 2018 11:26 PM

[quote] They really had a rather large production crew for this effort! Wow! (I've just taken the time to look at the credits)

Which goes to show how ineptly shot and poorly planned it was. Something like this should have taken no more than a skeleton crew. That crew was ridiculous. What did they all do? It certainly isn't up on the screen.

by Anonymousreply 461July 20, 2018 11:40 PM

[quote] Gusty Winds used to be a rather well-known drag queen. They could picked a better choice.

They got the drag queen that matched the production. Gusty Winds never happened and neither will West 40s.

by Anonymousreply 462July 20, 2018 11:41 PM

[quote]That crew was ridiculous. What did they all do?

Oh, honey, Mark Sam was in charge of it. We REALLY don’t want to know what some of them did. The poor dears are probably still having nightmares.

by Anonymousreply 463July 20, 2018 11:45 PM

[quote] Something like this should have taken no more than a skeleton crew. That crew was ridiculous.

I'm not in the profession but I would have to agree. Why would a Costume Designer have need of an Asst Costume designer, that needs a Costume Assistant?

by Anonymousreply 464July 21, 2018 12:15 AM

There shouldn't have even BEEN a costume designer. No one DESIGNED any costumes. At best, they went through the actors' closets and said- this will do. That's a Wardrobe Supervisor. And also a useless credit, since there was clearly no eye to any kind of look.

by Anonymousreply 465July 21, 2018 12:18 AM

The money we raise is essential to producing this show in NYC. The show will only get made with your help! Below is a quick breakdown of how the money we raise will be spent wisely to make the "West 40s" pilot look professional enough to be snapped up by Netflix!

$1,500 Insurance (essential to secure locations, equipment, talent)

$2,000 Locations (it's New York City...need we say more!)

$500 Food/Craft Services (people work hard and need to eat...a lot)

$1,500 Equipment rentals (for fancy cameras, dollys, lights to look fab)

$500 Tech/Expendables (drives and other essentials for the shoot)

$1,500 Editing (for renting an edit room for 4-5 weeks)

$1,500 Sound (this is essential to a professional finished product)

$500 Music (including an original series song)

$2,000 Post (for color, titles, and even some FX work--no spoilers!)

$1,000 Kickstarter (yes, they take a fee for all this fundraising)

TOTAL

$12,500

So, they raised (via KickStarter) $23,807 pledged of $12,500 goal. That's nearly double of what they were looking for. They had 4 days of production.

by Anonymousreply 466July 21, 2018 12:38 AM

I can tell you from experience they overbudgeted. I've made short films that ran twice this length. Their numbers for sound and post are high (for what they did), and editing is sort of a laugh. This thing could be done in a week-10 days. It doesn't take 4-5 weeks to edit a 13 minute piece that clearly had very little coverage. Notice there's no salary for actors OR crew, which is disgusting. And $500 for food, when you're NOT paying cast and crew???? That's $125 per day to feed all of those people in the credits at least one meal and a craft service table.

I certainly can't speak to where the additional money went, but it's clear they had zero intention of paying anyone.

This shit is strictly amateur hour and it shows.

by Anonymousreply 467July 21, 2018 1:19 AM

R466, it’s outrageous the costs and services they wasted, this IS Mark Sam Rosenthal, THIS is why we slice and dice him here, we KNOW his ego, he wanted to pretend he was a sitcom star and blew EVERYTHING on his “pilot”, they could of filmed six episodes with that Kickstarter haul. It is actually despicable how badly the money was thrown away, really terrible as the end product has proven...

by Anonymousreply 468July 21, 2018 1:22 AM

^could HAVE!!! Damn rage posting errors.

by Anonymousreply 469July 21, 2018 1:23 AM

[quote]THIS is why we slice and dice him here, we KNOW his ego, he wanted to pretend he was a sitcom star and blew EVERYTHING on his “pilot”, they could of filmed six episodes with that Kickstarter haul. It is actually despicable how badly the money was thrown away,

I've seen this posted here a few times. Are people sure they blew all of the money just on the pilot? How do you know that they are still trying to raise funding?

by Anonymousreply 470July 21, 2018 1:32 AM

[quote]"West 40s" will take a look at their lives through a six-episode first season written by Mark Sam Rosenthal & Brian Sloan. This Kickstarter will raise the funds to help us produce the series pilot, which will be directed by Brian Sloan and feature a cast that includes Mark Sam Rosenthal. The first episode (about 17-19 minutes) will introduce this interesting group of friends—T.J., Ryan, Dante, and Franklin—at a popular Hell's Kitchen restaurant as they gather to celebrate Luis’ 40th birthday.

OH! I see now! The campaign was just for the pilot. WOW! That was a lot of money for 15 minutes!!!

by Anonymousreply 471July 21, 2018 1:35 AM

[quote] I've seen this posted here a few times. Are people sure they blew all of the money just on the pilot? How do you know that they are still trying to raise funding?

While it's entirely possible they banked the overspill of funds raised, there's not much they can do with under $10K, not if that pilot cost more. Plus, I believe another posted copied and pasted the creators' saying they had five more scripts ready to go, which says- unfilmed. If they had the bucks, the smart (and cost effective) thing to do would have been to shoot out the entire season, or at least multiple episodes.

by Anonymousreply 472July 21, 2018 1:36 AM

Everything about this show looks so dreary and depressing. Besides being funny and well acted, at least the Golden Girls had a living room with a nice high ceiling.

by Anonymousreply 473July 21, 2018 1:37 AM

*cuts to shot of girls in restaurant laughing and tittering*

by Anonymousreply 474July 21, 2018 1:39 AM

[quote]*cuts to shot of girls in restaurant laughing and tittering*

HELLOOOOO DataLounge! Fish are not welcomed! LOL!

by Anonymousreply 475July 21, 2018 1:41 AM

Is Faye Dunaway in the West 40s pilot posted on youtube? I only watch pilots posted on youtube that have Faye Dunaway in them.

by Anonymousreply 476July 21, 2018 1:49 AM

Can you still se tone of those robo-view things to artificially inflate views on YouTube?

Asking for a friend.

by Anonymousreply 477July 21, 2018 2:15 AM

I agree with the post who said it was not realistic that the father's late tees/early twenties son would be protesting that he'd rather spend his birthday with his father's friends.

by Anonymousreply 478July 21, 2018 3:10 PM

[quote][R466], it’s outrageous the costs and services they wasted, this IS Mark Sam Rosenthal, THIS is why we slice and dice him here, we KNOW his ego,

Stop with your WE bullshit.

WE don't know him at all.

by Anonymousreply 479July 21, 2018 3:18 PM

[quote]Damn rage posting errors.

Classic! I love it! 😂

by Anonymousreply 480July 21, 2018 4:25 PM

Is this the same cast as Munjo?

by Anonymousreply 481July 21, 2018 4:27 PM

R479, stick a fuck in it cunt, if you’ve worked in the tv industry in NYC for the last twenty odd years you DEFINITELY crossed path with him, he’s been trying to make it since The Bronze Age.

by Anonymousreply 482July 21, 2018 5:12 PM

[quote]... he’s been trying to make it since The Bronze Age.

But, what's the problem with that? I suppose he loves and still has a passion for what he likes to do. And, still has the energy to do it. Although this project isn't the greatest, why try and discourage a person from doing what they love to do? There is STILL something to be said for him, (and I don't know him), for being able to pull such a project together and execute it. Many, many, MANY, could not have made it this far.

by Anonymousreply 483July 21, 2018 5:31 PM

I don't know either of these two guys, but even in the Kickstarter video, Mark Sam seemed overbearing. Brian Sloan seems like a nice, down to earth guy. Is that so?

by Anonymousreply 484July 21, 2018 7:02 PM

I used to work with Mark. He is a nice guy and very low key, maybe even a bit torpid. I recall reading an interview with him where he said he got fired from Bennigan's because he couldn't work fast enough.

by Anonymousreply 485July 21, 2018 8:46 PM

^^^ Ooops, I was talking about Brian Sloan, not Mark.

by Anonymousreply 486July 21, 2018 8:47 PM

Sloan has always been a gem, I’m sure he’s been steamrolled a bit during all this by Runaway Rosenthal!

by Anonymousreply 487July 21, 2018 9:39 PM

[quote]Sloan has always been a gem

Sure shows in his work on West 40s.

by Anonymousreply 488July 21, 2018 9:50 PM

PUBLICITY!

Also,

"It's been one week since we launched our pilot episode on YouTube, and we've had almost 60k channel views so far - maybe this clip is one reason why! If you've liked the episode, tag it and share it - let's get our views up to 100k! Link in comments."

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by Anonymousreply 489July 22, 2018 10:28 PM

PUBLICITY!

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by Anonymousreply 490July 22, 2018 10:31 PM

Who cares about the pilot, it’s deadsville already, where is the next episode????????

by Anonymousreply 491July 23, 2018 2:50 AM

[quote]So for me, that's just as harmful as a politician who is working against the rights of gays, just in a different way.

MARY!!!

by Anonymousreply 492July 23, 2018 6:03 AM

[quote]Why do old queens 50+ still hang on the the dream of being Hollywood movie stars?

Huh? What are you yammering about? Can't creative people (or those so inclined) just make a project to entertain, have fun, work with their friends and work at getting better at storytelling because it looks fun and interesting? I forget how many people just consume, and have never tried to create anything. Got it.

I've known Mark Sam pretty casually I guess for a long time, and I had no idea he was any of the awful things I've read here! We don't hang out much, but I've seen his one man show which was fun, and I've never heard him talk about his "career". I thought he was some guy who worked at LOGO doing something or other who liked to perform occasionally. I must be impressive enough for him not to have "talked over" me!

by Anonymousreply 493July 23, 2018 6:22 AM

This thread was only started 11 days ago? It feels like a year.

Almost 50, 000 views is pretty respectable.

The youtube comments seem to come from another planet:

[quote]This popped on my recommended list, and I never feel so grateful ❤💛💚💙💜

[quote]This is very endearing.

by Anonymousreply 494July 23, 2018 11:47 AM

Ironically R494 is also named Mark Sam Rosenthal.

by Anonymousreply 495July 23, 2018 12:41 PM

Sorry, meant R493 ^!

by Anonymousreply 496July 23, 2018 12:42 PM

Just a coincidence, R495.

A mere coincidence.

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by Anonymousreply 497July 23, 2018 2:32 PM

[quote]Sorry, meant [R493] ^!

I was puzzled.

by Anonymousreply 498July 23, 2018 4:13 PM

[quote] Can't creative people (or those so inclined) just make a project to entertain, have fun, work with their friends and work at getting better at storytelling because it looks fun and interesting? I forget how many people just consume, and have never tried to create anything. Got it.

And you get a trophy, and you get a trophy, and YOU GET A TROPHY!

For what?

For showing up.

Yeah, that's not how it works in the real world, honey. People are free to do whatever they want, but if they're expecting to get points for just trying, they're shit out of luck. This isn't tee ball.

by Anonymousreply 499July 24, 2018 1:38 AM

Wow, R499! Why are you SO mean? Or, are you just trying to keep this thread going?

The project wasn't that good--in my opinion, but my goodness they do deserve some type of recognition for getting something over the finish line. There are many who could not get as far. While I have no problem with criticisms of the project, and to some extent the personal attacks, I just sense that your "whatever" goes much more deeper.

Why does this project and this person upset you so? Did you have projects, or were part of projects, that you feel are much more worthier but whatever reason didn't make it over the finish line? What the hell is vexing you so much about this?

by Anonymousreply 500July 24, 2018 1:49 AM

He was in love with Mark Sam who rejected him, clearly.

by Anonymousreply 501July 24, 2018 1:54 AM

Are you kidding? How was that comment personal? It applies to anyone who does something like this or records music and puts it up on youtube or writes a book and self publishes it. Yes, there are are plenty of people out there who never do it, but so what? They probably suck, too, and are sparing us and themselves wasted time. Yes, EVERYONE can do this, but it doesn't mean they should.

by Anonymousreply 502July 24, 2018 2:15 AM

r499, you type trans.

by Anonymousreply 503July 24, 2018 6:26 AM

I think R499 is keeping it real.

by Anonymousreply 504July 24, 2018 10:57 AM

I want the show to star the rich black chub and the baby teeth golem dude, not THAT’S a potential hit!

by Anonymousreply 505July 24, 2018 12:40 PM

[quote]not THAT’S a potential hit!

Frieudan slip?

by Anonymousreply 506July 24, 2018 1:10 PM

Ah, good.

What we have here is a radio interview.

Starts at 18:00

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by Anonymousreply 507July 24, 2018 2:57 PM

Which gaggle of you bitches was this?

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by Anonymousreply 508July 24, 2018 3:02 PM

R508 what fucking line would be quotable from that crapfest? Was it at a senior matinee where this supposedly happened?

by Anonymousreply 509July 24, 2018 10:51 PM

If anyone was quoting it, it was by accident since the jokes have been recycled multiple times.

by Anonymousreply 510July 25, 2018 3:54 AM

The only person quoting that pilot is Mark Sam, no other human or other life form on the planet cares about it at this point.

by Anonymousreply 511July 25, 2018 5:59 PM

Oh, for goodness sake! Only 89, (now 88) , more entries to go before this thread is dead as a door nail like that damn pilot!

by Anonymousreply 512July 25, 2018 6:02 PM

I hope you've all listened to the radio interview I went to such trouble to link @R507. I haven't, but that's beside the point.

by Anonymousreply 513July 25, 2018 6:20 PM

Yeah there wasn't any quotable, funny or original writing in that show. You could put Drag Race and three hours of Logo in a blender and come out with something similar. The person who thought they were quoting the show were likely mistaking the original source material (e.g. any gay content produced six to ten years ago).

by Anonymousreply 514July 26, 2018 1:57 AM

Yes, r114 & r115, I agree that it is not top-notch, and I hope they didn't spend $20K on only this episode. Maybe they have some of the other stuff shot. I know these guys a little and will probably find out eventually. It's pretty dreadful from start to finish, but the writing, acting and direction is the worst part of it, not the level of production quality. If they did blow it all on this, you are correct that it is not on the screen. I also have produced things better than this for less-money-per-minute of screen time, but it still takes money to do it.

I'm developing something that deals with the real issues of gay men in middle age, and not this overgrown gay-boy bullshit. The tone of it is much more like Casual on Hulu. And I it's budgeted at $6,000 per episode. And I'm using this show as a 'we don't want this' example to the people I'm working with.

by Anonymousreply 515July 28, 2018 4:30 AM

SHIT that should have been r214 & 215 ^^^^^I've had three glasses of champagne.

by Anonymousreply 516July 28, 2018 4:32 AM

Uta Hagen was an awful actress and teacher r267

by Anonymousreply 517July 28, 2018 4:56 AM

You're right r278, but as you indicate, no one does web-series or short films thinking they're going to 'break out'. It's about working on craft, having something to show, building relationships and the fun of doing it. And that, as an actor, is sometimes enough.

by Anonymousreply 518July 28, 2018 5:02 AM

r292, I think the point r291 is trying to make is that the intention here is positive and fun, and not malicious. At the very least there's that.

by Anonymousreply 519July 28, 2018 5:10 AM

[quote]And I'm using this show as a 'we don't want this' example to the people I'm working with.

LOL

by Anonymousreply 520July 28, 2018 8:37 AM

[quote]SHIT that should have been [R214] & 215 ^^^^^I've had three glasses of champagne.

Gurl, try not to drink before you post on here - for YOUR sake AND ours.

by Anonymousreply 521July 28, 2018 8:39 AM

[quote]Uta Hagen was an awful actress and teacher [R267]

Glad you said that. Fellow actors who studied with her, always acted so superior.

by Anonymousreply 522July 28, 2018 8:41 AM

R515, it really does appear they spent it all on just the pilot.

by Anonymousreply 523July 28, 2018 2:32 PM

[quote]And I'm using this show as a 'we don't want this' example to the people I'm working with.

Ya see there, R515? There is value!

by Anonymousreply 524July 28, 2018 3:01 PM

Well, the buzz on this shit show seems to have died already. If they'd spent their money wisely instead of blowing it on CGI to make Mark Sam appear in his 40s instead of how awful he looks in real life, they could have followed up the pilot with new material.

The gays are fickle, Mark Sam (you of all people should know that), and they aren't going to stick around even to hate watch your shit if they have to wait too long.

See you at the audit.

by Anonymousreply 525July 30, 2018 6:16 PM

R525 just thought he'd stop by to say something nice. Sweet.

by Anonymousreply 526July 30, 2018 6:19 PM

[quote]Well, the buzz on this shit show seems to have died already.

The fact there was any buzz at all is amazing. They really blew it.

by Anonymousreply 527July 30, 2018 6:22 PM

I understand they needed money for the pilot, but a 15-minute pilot isn't enough to get people hooked to where they'll even remember the characters or the plot when the next episode comes out in several months. A better idea would have been to have three or four episodes already filmed. Release each one two weeks apart, but start asking for money as soon as the first one launches. Was their thought that Netflix would pick this up just based on a 15 minute pilot where we don't even know who the characters really are and there aren't even any cliffhangers?

by Anonymousreply 528July 30, 2018 6:24 PM

MMPH! These 4 and 6 inch pumps you queens are wearing are DEADLY! Stomp it until it is surely dead!

by Anonymousreply 529July 30, 2018 6:25 PM

[quote]I understand they needed money for the pilot, but a 15-minute pilot isn't enough to get people hooked to where they'll even remember the characters or the plot when the next episode comes out in several months. A better idea would have been to have three or four episodes already filmed. Release each one two weeks apart, but start asking for money as soon as the first one launches. Was their thought that Netflix would pick this up just based on a 15 minute pilot where we don't even know who the characters really are and there aren't even any cliffhangers?

It's the other guy who bugs me, he's supposed to have some experience. He just laid a big turd.

by Anonymousreply 530July 30, 2018 6:26 PM

[quote]Was their thought that Netflix would pick this up just based on a 15 minute pilot

I get the sense that whoever's concept this is REALLY thought that. Something went really wrong here and R530 has already pointed it out. This piece was tested enough. They did not have enough focus groups or the right people participating in them. But! It was an effort.

by Anonymousreply 531July 30, 2018 6:28 PM

Basically, however they'd timed it, promoted it, presented it - it's a piece of shit.

by Anonymousreply 532July 30, 2018 6:30 PM

Savage reviews here aside, DL doesn't have any bearing on whether this goes forward or not. It's only the producers' egos that's stopping them.

They could shoot future episodes on camera phones, blow someone with video editing knowledge a few times and upload the new videos on YouTube.

I highly suspect that it was the high of the Kickstarter money that they loved more than creating a continuing show.

by Anonymousreply 533July 30, 2018 6:47 PM

[Quote]where they'll even remember the characters or the plot when the next episode comes out

Wait, there was a plot?

As you noted in your last sentence, no cliffhanger, no "what's gonna happen next" moment, nothing. I don't care if I ever see these characters again because I'm not waiting for a resolution for anything.

[Quote]blow someone with video editing knowledge a few times

That's going to cost more money because they'll need a rentboy to blow the editor. He's not going to get it from them, is he?!

by Anonymousreply 534July 30, 2018 7:29 PM

I have a suggestion for Mark Sam. Do a show entitled Datalounge, The Broadway Musical.

by Anonymousreply 535July 30, 2018 7:59 PM

[quote]I have a suggestion for Mark Sam. Do a show entitled Datalounge, The Broadway Musical.

Ya know...... ?????

by Anonymousreply 536July 30, 2018 8:02 PM

UPDATE: 66, 630 views

A few of the comments underneath - are less gushing:

[quote]aveuch- 2 days ago - 5 bottoms?

[quote]The writing is so 'poor'.

by Anonymousreply 537July 30, 2018 8:13 PM

They've got a long way to go before they hit the numbers of this show (which I just noticed in the side column of their page). 690K views and they have at least five episodes, each garnering half a million views or more.

My point- no one's ever heard of this one, either and it didn't suddenly get discovered by Netflix.

Web Series are D-E-A-D. Pull the plug on West 40s, boys. It's only gonna end in more tears.

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by Anonymousreply 538July 30, 2018 8:26 PM

[Web Series are D-E-A-D.]

And, I think that's sad because I believe it really provided an opportunity for many people. For example; I enjoyed this web series by Jimmie Fowlie; "Go-Go Boy Interrupted", but it didn't go anywhere. Oddly enough R538, I found the series that you linked to (as I looked for stuff for this thread) and I didn't think that it was bad either.

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by Anonymousreply 539July 30, 2018 8:46 PM

Not having other episodes immediately follow the stillborn pilot launch was typical Mark Sam, he used to think his rancid one man shows would catapult him to glittery stardom. Wasting all that money on 15 minutes of dreary and dated “comedy” is truly a creative crime. Bye bye TJ!

by Anonymousreply 540July 31, 2018 11:54 AM

What should Mark Sam do now to have a decent career that will ultimately provide for his retirement in a decade or so? We should try to be helpful..

by Anonymousreply 541July 31, 2018 12:00 PM

So, who is he? He's gotten a lot of criticism here. Anyone know him?

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by Anonymousreply 542July 31, 2018 12:22 PM

So, who is HE???? The dancer....

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by Anonymousreply 543July 31, 2018 12:23 PM

I thought the birthday boy was fine (relatively speaking). He was the only one who felt even the least bit honest. The one who puzzled me was the white bearded bear who kept pulling all the hot ass. Not with that face and lumpy body you aren't.

by Anonymousreply 544July 31, 2018 4:35 PM

Agree. I thought the actor at r542 was good. The only likeable character who had any semblance to reality, actually.

by Anonymousreply 545July 31, 2018 5:39 PM

r543, that guy's name is Richard Scheiffer. He's a very sexy monkey-faced boy. I know him somewhat. He dances for the Broadway Bares show and raises a lot of money.

by Anonymousreply 546July 31, 2018 5:44 PM

Gurrrl....

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by Anonymousreply 547July 31, 2018 6:11 PM

R543, that old guy grasping at the Gogo boy in the photo looks like a gay Nosferatu, those neck rolls are hideous! Actually that’s what they should have done with the show, a bunch of elder gays are turned into vampires and have to live out eternity in Hell’s Kitchen as desperate unfuckables. HELL’S BITTEN!

by Anonymousreply 548July 31, 2018 7:07 PM

R548- That is fucking hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 549July 31, 2018 7:28 PM

You think r542 was a good actor? He was the worst of the bunch, and inexplicably he seemed like the focus of the show. His "aw, shucks, these people are all insane but I'm so normal hehehe titter titter hehehe" and "how old do I look" writing was worse, though.

by Anonymousreply 550July 31, 2018 10:41 PM

Yes r550 is right. The birthday boy was the worst.

by Anonymousreply 551July 31, 2018 10:44 PM

Dan Domingues was way too intense and humorless as Luis, he seemed to be in a different production than the rest of the cartoonish cast, but I guess you can blame unevenness on the director.

by Anonymousreply 552August 1, 2018 12:01 AM

[quote][R543], that guy's name is Richard Scheiffer. He's a very sexy

Yes, he is!

by Anonymousreply 553August 1, 2018 1:01 AM

[quote]that guy's name is Richard Scheiffer. He's a very sexy

THIS guy?

OK.

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by Anonymousreply 554August 1, 2018 1:03 AM

Yes, HIM, R554

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by Anonymousreply 555August 1, 2018 1:09 AM

This thread has been SO critical. I wonder if there are any cast members, or anyone else associated with this project, that are brave enough to make themselves known (not by name) and give their opinions about this thread and the criticism here? Do you feel it is fair? What are some good ideas (if any) were picked up? Etc...

by Anonymousreply 556August 1, 2018 11:11 AM

Mark Sam STARTED all the West 40’s threads, he’s here 24/7!

by Anonymousreply 557August 1, 2018 5:35 PM

Okay, R557...

Well, Mark.... What are your feelings about the DL criticism? Do you believe it fair? What was unfair? Any take-aways? Any regrets?

-Will there be another episode? -What feedback have other people of the production been receiving?

by Anonymousreply 558August 1, 2018 5:42 PM

R558 Is Mark Sam. Weird.

by Anonymousreply 559August 1, 2018 6:32 PM

Nope, R559. I am not. I cross my heart and hope to die!

by Anonymousreply 560August 1, 2018 6:34 PM

We hope you die, too, Mark Sam. Well, at least your show.

by Anonymousreply 561August 1, 2018 7:24 PM

Mark Sam, try a less toothy smile.

by Anonymousreply 562August 1, 2018 11:00 PM

Mark Sam, try a less toothy career.

by Anonymousreply 563August 1, 2018 11:25 PM

Is this show dead yet?

by Anonymousreply 564August 16, 2018 1:02 PM

It does seem a bit crazy that the producers demand money to make a pilot which then is, ideally, supposed to get picked up by something like HBO, Netflix, or Showtime. And if not, those suckers better pay for more episodes! I mean, if the show does get picked up will the investors get their money back with interest?

If you think about it the whole thing seems shady as hell.

by Anonymousreply 565August 16, 2018 1:22 PM

FAN ALERT:

[bold]"When is episode 2?" is easily the #1 question people are asking about West 40s. So tune in this Saturday for the answer in our first YouTube Live video. West 40s co-creators Mark Sam Rosenthal and Brian Sloan will be talking about the incredible response to the show online (over 80K views!) and whatever else you want to know. So if you have questions, just post them in the comments below. We’ll also give a shout out to some of our favorite fan comments so far - so tune in to our YouTube channel this Saturday 8/18 @11am EDT (link below). See you then![/bold]

by Anonymousreply 566August 16, 2018 8:47 PM

looking at the comment under the video, love this

[quote]The most eye rolling I’ve ever seen in fifteen minutes

by Anonymousreply 567August 16, 2018 8:51 PM

What about the money they make from youtube (views)?

by Anonymousreply 568August 16, 2018 8:51 PM

[quote]What about the money they make from youtube (views)?

They're nowhere near any numbers that could make them money from YouTube

by Anonymousreply 569August 16, 2018 8:56 PM

R568 It's quite easy to work out what someone makes from youtube advertising - take the total number of views, divide by 1000 and then multiply by two, which in their case is $158.

by Anonymousreply 570August 16, 2018 9:12 PM

Incredible! They are going to steamroll through the fact they blew ALL that original take on that dreary pilot and will plead for MORE to waste it all again. Maybe if Mark Sam wasn’t the captain of this sinking ship they could have done an ENTIRE eight episodes with cash to spare. Gay grifters are a panic!

by Anonymousreply 571August 17, 2018 1:40 AM

Well... who here will posts questions? Who will be brave enough to post their criticism?

by Anonymousreply 572August 17, 2018 1:47 AM

Am I the only one who thought the birthday boy was kind of attractive?

Mark Sam comes across as the stereotypical gross and annoying queen who makes everyone uncomfortable by touching them/invading their personal space. I almost couldn’t watch him on screen. I never saw him before, so maybe he was playing a character. If he was, he was doing it well. I have the impression it was just his personality coming through though.

by Anonymousreply 573August 17, 2018 2:06 PM

Get ready for our big Labor Day Telethon to raise money for a 2nd episode of our hit YouTube series.

We'll be eye-rolling and face mugging for 24 hours for your entertainment! Get out your checkbooks bitches!

by Anonymousreply 574August 17, 2018 4:09 PM

Even if they make it as a regular series YouTube will either bury it or censor it because they no longer find gay content "Advertiser Friendly".

by Anonymousreply 575August 17, 2018 7:48 PM

they're on LIVE>>>NOW!!!

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by Anonymousreply 576August 18, 2018 3:11 PM

They're so amused by themselves… at least someone's being entertained though...

by Anonymousreply 577August 18, 2018 3:55 PM

Mark Sam Rosenthal is exhausting. Barely lets the other guy get a word in at the video at r575. I knew someone like him back in the day. Would always finish your sentences, every other sentence from him was a "quip". Laughed at his own jokes. Irritating!

by Anonymousreply 578August 18, 2018 5:00 PM

Finally watched this “live” update, so they did waste all that original money on JUST the pilot, infuriating, they could have filmed the entire series with that if they had focus and practically, but Mark Sam doesn’t have those words in his vocabulary. They’ve completely lost any momentum and that chat won’t do them any favors, foolish.

by Anonymousreply 579August 18, 2018 10:45 PM

So we may never see an episode two of this dreck?

by Anonymousreply 580August 18, 2018 11:19 PM

[quote]so they did waste all that original money on JUST the pilot,

How did you reach that conclusion?

This just comes across to me as a bad marketing campaign and their hope is to push the pilot. Interesting that they still feel that they have a shot at NetFlix. Maybe the concept?

by Anonymousreply 581August 18, 2018 11:26 PM

They explained it as much in that video, they need financing to complete another episode, they don’t have it, pretty simple to figure it out. Netflix isn’t buying that pilot so either they hit the lottery or Mark Sam has to sell those ivory choppers to raise some funds.

by Anonymousreply 582August 18, 2018 11:49 PM

Thanks, R582. I guess I was only half listening... no guess... I was, to the video and I didn't hear anything about additional financing needed.

Well! they really have a dream....

by Anonymousreply 583August 18, 2018 11:55 PM

Their dream now is for such an eruption of internet demand for the 2nd episode that Netflix is forced to pay for it.

But there's not going to be enough internet demand for another thread about this.

by Anonymousreply 584August 19, 2018 12:44 AM

Those two came across as both clueless and in deep denial, and were completely unprepared to discuss the logistics of producing when it came to that point in the chat, they work in the industry right?

by Anonymousreply 585August 19, 2018 6:02 PM

And here we thought Netflix would greenlight everything the moment it gets thrown at them.

by Anonymousreply 586August 19, 2018 6:05 PM

Lack of foresight. It would have been better to shoot a 6-episode "pilot season" and use that to build a fanbase and try to get a production company to pick it up for a second season. The first episode doesn't leave anything hanging, so there is no sense of "I wonder what happens next!!".

by Anonymousreply 587August 19, 2018 6:21 PM

Well, I wondered what happened to the girls laughing in the bar. What's their story? Why were they laughing? Did they all make it home safely? Did one get so drunk she passed out on the subway tracks and another girl jumped down to save her, and they narrowly escaped rushing death??? Will Stacee land the big job in publishing? Will Mindee ever sleep with Gregory? They can't just leave us hanging. What's their story??

by Anonymousreply 588August 20, 2018 6:57 AM

It's confirmed here. They need more money....

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by Anonymousreply 589September 1, 2018 9:14 PM

Mark-Sam seems despondent behind that horse teeth smile, tragic!

by Anonymousreply 590September 3, 2018 2:18 AM

He has every reason to be.

by Anonymousreply 591September 3, 2018 2:21 AM

These YouTube Live videos are so plodding and WAY TOO LONG! Keep it under 11 minutes and get to the selling earlier, stop acting like the fucking webisodes are destined to become viral hits, it’s never gonna happen, ever. Just admit the grift and either film one more or sneak away back to oldster’s bay, the buzz is zzzzzzzzz.

by Anonymousreply 592September 3, 2018 8:23 PM

[quote]These YouTube Live videos are so plodding and WAY TOO LONG! Keep it under 11 minutes

All vlog type things seem to be.

by Anonymousreply 593September 3, 2018 8:37 PM

I meant seem to be WAY TOO LONG.

by Anonymousreply 594September 3, 2018 8:37 PM

YAWN....

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by Anonymousreply 595September 16, 2018 2:11 AM

Has Mark Sam gotten new dentures or something? He’s talking with a clenched drag on his words, it’s horrifying!

by Anonymousreply 596September 16, 2018 4:38 AM

r596 Maybe that's where the money really went.

r576 Wow guy on the right has zero lips. Blowjobs must be all teeth.

by Anonymousreply 597September 16, 2018 5:30 AM

They did another "live feed" thing yesterday for their "fans"

= 4 comments and 373 views.

Boy, they're stretching this thing.

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by Anonymousreply 598September 30, 2018 2:19 PM

They need to ditch the fortysomething theme and make the guy on the left the show's main character.

by Anonymousreply 599September 30, 2018 3:12 PM

That's it. Thread's full - au revoir I guess, until they make episode 2.

by Anonymousreply 600September 30, 2018 4:01 PM
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