I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous thread titles for reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treason in the Sheeves

Duh. Sheaves

[quote]Anyone have any thread titles for me to add to the list?

Treasons, the treasons that we hear, the treasons that we fear...

Are those Ivanka's nipples pointing downward? Eww

Maybe they've located water, r6.

I wish someone would throw Ivanka into a fire while she’s abroad.

Would a volcano do, R8? We seem to have an angry one in Hawaii that seems a bit "hungry."

Pele would spit her back out.

Lock her up! Lock her job!

She has always reminded me of a dirty tampon.

I have severe trump fatigue. When will it be the final count down?

And now, for the treason d’être .....

Good grief Democrats, not this, not now.

Chelsea Manning is running for the U.S. Senate from Maryland.

She's challenging Ben Cardin in the Democratic primary.

That's old news, R16. Nobody thinks she's going to get anywhere.

The Trump-China nexus of pay for play is a wild story. Could that be the reason why the press briefing was canceled today?

Ivanka running around acting like a fucking princess. LOATHE her.

Devin Nunes defies the truth.

Since Trump only watches Fox now and his staff reduced the daily briefing to pictures and positive news, who is telling him the real stuff that's on MSNBC, Politico, etc? Isn't he living in a bubble of yes men?

"Treason d’être" should be a future thread title, R14.

OP, you can knock it off with the WebSleuths-esque linking to previous threads bullshit. Or go back to WebSleuths.

Right wing media is PISSED over this cover!

In honor of Turd Carlson's CREEPY headline I nominate : CREEPY Treasons

Or

Summer of Treason

or

Treason in HEAT

NK now threatening to pull out of peace talks

Market is unsustainable (ETFs are buying and selling same stocks over and over again)

When economy falls, Trump has nothing left

[quote]Since Trump only watches Fox now and his staff reduced the daily briefing to pictures and positive news, who is telling him the real stuff that's on MSNBC, Politico, etc? Isn't he living in a bubble of yes men?

I am pretty sure he watches Nicole Wallace, as yesterday's tweet was timed right after Jennifer Rubin called him soulless. Even Nicolle Wallace interrupted the group talked to update the viewers of Cheeto's amusing tweet.

What was the tweet R27?

Ha! Trump got played. Kim Jong Un is threatening to call off the summit.

I knew it would be like Charlie Brown, Lucy and the football.

We like Ivenka and also Wendy.

SO much nicer than that large transtesticle gorilla of 2008-2016

Whatever happened to the story about his doctor?

r26 it's kind of wryly amusing how much the right wing press (as well as some idiots at the NYT) were trying to make this into Trump's moment/Nobel Peace Prize, as if that would ever happen. North Korea has done this multiple times before. When it fails, I'm sure they will bend over backwards deflecting blame for him, too.

DPRK knows how desperate Trump is for talks and a "deal." Therefore they will now test to see how much they can extract. Will Trump offer reassurances now? If yes, they will push a bit further.

DPRK sees Trump make concessions. They want some of their own.

Their concession so far has been to dismantle the nuclear test site that they didn't need anymore and had collapsed underground, anyway. All smoke and mirrors so far.

Trump probably has multiple TVs in his bedroom and other rooms and watches Fox, CNN, and MSNBC at the same time. He likely mutes one to hear another. He wants to know what everyone is saying about him. He reacts to too any people, stories, and shows, not to be watching multiple channels on cable. Note, he doesn't read newspapers much, and certainly not in depth.

They totally got played. Now how are they gonna spin this to be Hillary’s fault?

We are losing ground in the generic poll! Come on Democrats we can't AFFORD to lose the elections this fall! Get With It!

Love it r12. Unforgettable.

R23 I dont think I'd be so concerned with someone's thoughts who has no history in these threads.

R29: Stereotypes notwithstanding

You know that if Trump is dumber than a prostitute

He sure ain’t smarter than the North Koreans

What a bizarre thing to bitch about R23. Get a life.

I like the links, R23. Piss off.

Thanks for the links OP. Thanks for everything.

@kyledcheney

JUST IN: A DC judge slaps down MANAFORT's effort to have charges dismissed. And underscores that special counsel guidelines aren't as restrictive as Trump allies argue.

R16, “he.”

Don’t let them gaslight you. No male is a she.

Give them an inch & they’ll take a lightyear.

When truth becomes false & vice-versa, chaos rules.

[quote]JUST IN: A DC judge slaps down MANAFORT's effort to have charges dismissed. And underscores that special counsel guidelines aren't as restrictive as Trump allies argue.

Was this the same judge who was making a stink a week or so ago?

No, R46, different judge. The overall investigation is happening in a lot of forums.

Here's handsome Renato's breakdown on implications etc.

These thread titles have gotten increasingly stupid.

why the fuck is she allowed to represent the US at these events? First Peru, now Israel, was at the Olympics

why can't the government tell her they don't want her to be our representative? she has no qualifications - she's a damn fraud - her hubris is remarkable

but seriously, is there no government agency that can reel her in? God, I hate the sight of her

Deplorables adore Ivanka and “finally, we have a beautiful, classy First Lady”! Swear to God, they’re always heaping praise on “classy” Melania. Of course, those are the ones who called Michelle Obama a gorilla and a linebacker.

I have not seen Michelle Obama’s cooch.

Trump's poll numbers are rising due to the media. They endlessly cover everything he does and says. They want tight races for the midterms to further enhance ratings.

Because you're a deplorable with no history, R49.

Who took Jarded's Cherry? Was it daddy!?

The trolls have gotten increasingly stupid. Looking at R49.

r49 Blow it OUT your ass you fucking traitor and log outta Datalounge!

Jesus Christ. Breathe, guys. Yeah, R49 is kind of a jerk, but he ain’t Hitler.

R45 My issue with Chelsea is not about being transgender. It was the crime one committed, lack of experience and the wacky, posted platform.

Perhaps you can discuss gaslighting elsewhere.

From Twitter......

I smell cooked goose......

BREAKING :

@MichaelAvenatti Follow Follow @MichaelAvenatti More This is what I meant by UGLY!!!!! Michael Cohen asked for 'millions of dollars' to 'pass to Trumps'

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Wow. Is that story for real?

Why are you defending the trolls?

Keep it up and pretty soon someone like the concern troll troll is gonna come after you.

Melania had her entire uterus removed. Had nothing to do with Kidneys

sure is......go to Avanettis twitter if you dont believe it......he just posted it......

Cohen asked for millions to be sent to members of the Trump family.......Cohen just single handedly took them all down for bribery.

[quote]sure is......go to Avanettis twitter if you dont believe it......he just posted it......

I will never understand people that do not link when they are quoting a single tweet. I could understand if you referenced more than one tweet since DL doesn't allow to post more than one link per post.

Holy shit!

The Daily Mail story and other Michael Cohen pay to play stories in conjunction with the Chinese pay to play story should put a stop to Trump on the international stage.

Nobody can negotiate with a bad actor except other bad actors.

Republicans would be wise to impeach now, but they won't.

Cooley Law School must be so proud.

r66...are you blind ?.....I cut and pasted his direct tweet....and in the next post linked to an article supporting it.......someone asked if it were true, and I said to go to his twitter to verify it themselves.

Here is the tweet in question.

I just hope the Daily Mail hasn't put this up in order for the Trump operation to shoot it down. We need additional outlets to confirm the story.

MA wouldnt be tweeting about it if he didnt have his own proof to back it up......he said yesterday that something was coming out soon that would redefine "ugly"

The Daily Mail is a right wing propaganda site. I wonder why they decided to print this ? This is the type of story Mother Jones would break.

Sometimes the crazies get it right too....look at the national enquirer and John Edwards love child....everyone said they were nuts, and they scooped the biggest story of the year.

Chris Hayes is about to cover it

Although it prints plenty of non-critical, PR-type pieces about the Trump administration, the Daily Mail also prints plenty of negative articles about it, and the DM's definitely been printing more of the latter than it used to. I don't think it has very high standards for journalistic accuracy overall, though. So I hope this new story is true.

Chris is poo pooing the story, only 1 source from The Daily Mail

Forgive me if this was mentioned somewhere in the last two-three parts of The Mueller Investigation saga, but I've just now seen that Michael J. Avenatti and Trump were mentioned in a May 2006 AP wire news report. Trivial maybe, but I find it interesting.

[quote] A man who claims NBC Universal, Donald Trump and the creator of NBC's "The Apprentice" stole his idea has settled his lawsuits in state and federal court, his attorney said.

[quote] Mark Bethea alleged he and Velocity Entertainment Group came up with the idea for an unscripted series called "C.E.O." that would have been hosted by Trump and set in a corporate office environment. Representing Velocity Entertainment Group, Mark Bethea's marketing/production company, in case outline presentations preceding jury selection, are Browne Greene, Scott Carr and Michael J. Avenatti with the Santa Monica law firm of Greene Broillet.

[quote] In August 2000, Mark Bethea, age 44, conceived a reality television show entitled "C.E.O." which had contestants competing against one another in a corporate environment for promotions, perks and benefits and which proposed Donald Trump as its host. Bethea registered a 5-page treatment of his idea for "C.E.O." with the Writers Guild of America in Los Angeles on August 30, 2000.

[quote] "Mark Burnett and Conrad Riggs unscrupulously lifted Mark Bethea's 'C.E.O.' idea and incorporated its signature elements into 'The Apprentice' without giving Bethea any credit or compensation for his originality," stated Browne Greene. "Although Burnett and Riggs are the current darlings of the reality television genre, they are not above the law. Our job is to put an end to their bullying and intimidation tactics and to see to it that Mark Bethea has his day in court.

Chris Hayes is more impressed with himself than anything anyone else has to say.....he also used to poo-poo the dossier, and to this day when mentioning it, refers to it as "the unsubstantiated dossier".......just sayin.

Correct r80, he does.

Chris is not my favorite of the hosts on MSNBC at night.

R79 It's referenced on Avenatti's Wikipedia page.

But the Qatar guy says he didn't bite. Just that Cohen suggested the transaction. So there was no exchange of money. So, no proof.

R81: ITA! I turn off MSNBC between 5pm and 9pm.

Speaking of Chris Hayes, please someone tell me FAT fuck Farenthold will be implicated in the Russian probe. I cannot believe tax payers paid for his sexual harassment settlement, which he doesn't want to pay back.

[quote]But the Qatar guy says he didn't bite. Just that Cohen suggested the transaction. So there was no exchange of money. So, no proof.

Soliciting a bribe, if it can be proven, is criminal enough in itself to bring down Cohen at the very least.

Chris Hayes was pro-Bernie Sanders. And the erotic gazes Carter Page gave him.

r83, r86 is correct......BUT, I wouldnt be too sure that nothing changed hands. This is the Quatar guy that is mentioned in that CA case and he referenced Flynn taking a bribe right after the Trump meeting.

.....not to mention, when the initial admission came out that he was indeed there, they mentioned that Flynn wasnt at the meeting.....and it came out today that Flynn WAS there......add to that the whole Rosneft angle.

Believe what we tell you until we tell you something different and/or the first thing we told you isn’t true. And we never told you that first thing in the first place.

Capisce?

It's a stupid situation, R49.

Appalling and dangerous to the country as well, but also, extremely stupid.

Ivanka and Wendy must be related. Their teeth look exactly alike. What's more they look just like Donald's . Can't just be coincidence

But Qatar was on the receiving end of the Trump/Kushner approved ass fuck the Saudi's and their Sunni allies gave them. I'm confused but this turn of events.

I never thought Id see Rachel Maddow doubt a story and claim she initially thought it was a publicity stunt......even after her guest explained it, she still shook her head in disbelief. Shes obviously over thinking and giving the Trump team too much credit for mental capabilities.

Rachel is behind the eight ball today - catching up with old news

[quote]When it fails, I'm sure they will bend over backwards deflecting blame for him, too.

They're already trying to lower the bar, pretending that they didn't really mean that North Korea needed to completely give up its nuclear program, just the long-range missiles that had the potential to reach the U.S.

R85 " FAT fuck Farenthold "

You forgot UGLY!

Again, pick this scandal, or one of another hundred that originate from Trump, and imagine the GOP/right-wing/Nazi OUTRAGE if it involved Obama or Hillary even peripherally, just imagine.

Remember when it was a scandal when Obama rolled up his shirt sleeves and wasn't wearing a tie in the Oval Office or when he put his feet up on his desk. I'm surprised Repugs don't die from the sheer weight of their own hypocrisy bearing down on them.

[quote]They're already trying to lower the bar, pretending that they didn't really mean that North Korea needed to completely give up its nuclear program, just the long-range missiles that had the potential to reach the U.S.

The phrase "denuclearization of the Korean peninsula" was bandied about quite loudly back during the days that deplorables were making room on their walls for photos of Cadet Bone Spurs with a Nobel medal.

Watching Lawrence now: Breaking News: Looks like Trump isn't going to get that Nobel! haha

The Associated Press @AP

BREAKING: North Korea official says country has no interest in summit with US if it's based on 'one-sided' demands to give up nuclear weapons

Well, duh. More on the Trump administration's attempts to lower the bar.

R102> Lucy pulling the ol’ football! How will Trump respond (Ugh - I am afraid to find out)?

how are all these international charades helping small town deplorables?

Hopefully they will realize he’s not a conservative and move on to a new cult leader. This one is wearing thin.

R105: deplorables hate to admit when they’re wrong.

They'll double down first, R105. The radical base's slavish devotion to Trump is not so easily swayed. Even if we have that long-awaited recession, the hard-core fanatics will insist that it's fake news or that it was caused by Democratic sabotage and that you just need to let Trump be Trump and, magically, all will be well.

7:20 p.m. from Josh Smith:

[quote]BREAKING: KCNA says North Korea will "reconsider" summit with Trump if U.S. insists on it giving up nuclear program, says it will never give up its nuclear program in exchange for economic trade with the United States.

7:41 p.m. from Anna Fifield:

[quote]Whiplash alert: North Korea says maybe it will hold that summit with Trump -- but only if Washington stops unilaterally insisting that it gives up its nuclear program and only if they stop harping on about Libya. This comes from Kim Kye Gwan so carries a lot of weight

You have to admit, it's a great way for Un to shaft Trump for his "little rocket man" tweets. Pretend you're going to meet and make peace and then stick your finger in his eye.

Pompeo wants to be president, you know.

Not too hard to outsmart the dotard.

Pompeo is corrupt....and ignorant as well.

and fat.

Don't forget fat.

Democrat Helen Tai just WON her special election for the Pennsylvania House, flipping a seat Republicans have held for at least 34 years! And in another triumph today, Democrat David Burkette won a special election for a seat in the Alabama Senate!

That's two HUGE Democratic victories tonight, one of which came in a district Donald Trump carried in 2016. And it's yet another crushing defeat for Trump and the Republicans in states they're counting on to keep them in power this fall.

For R93, this is Rachel's guest' s timeline and spec about the Qatari affair

Everyone was wondering why Cheeto suddenly turned on Qatar, this twitter thread outlines a very plausible scenario esp when you know the psychology of the fucking potus.

So Trump has radically changed U.S. foreign policy toward the following countries for the sole reason of personally enriching himself:

- Russia

- China

- Qatar

HOW IS HE STILL IN OFFICE? SERIOUSLY HOW?

The GOP that are allowing this all need to be voted out.

And about St. Pence

This is his timeline thread

"The radical base's slavish..."

Is SLAVIC, not SLAVISH.

The professor has also compiled a google doc of the bribery. It's easier to read than Twitter threads. He says he'll continue to update that.

I actually worry if we find out everything that we think is true, and then, nobody cares. this country is so corrupt right now. what happens if we find out trump is the asswipe that everyone sane knows he is, and nobody else cares. maybe I'm being crazy, but I'm kind of going to a crazy place.

A friend who claims he voted for Hilary let it slip he didn’t care about the investigation.

Also where we live we have political ads that the bad candidate calls Trump vulgar. I say of course he is vulgar. Friend says nothing

yup, r117, have you and everyone else on this thread voted every time you could? if not, DAMN IT DO IT!

R114 thanks for the info

For R35.

A better version.

^^^ Except his hands are depicted too large.

Lindsey Graham tweets about his delightful meetings with Trump. Lindsey lavishes praise about Trump's tactics with North Korea, while an hour or two later it starts to unravel.

Lindsay is an idiot and his constituents are idiots for voting for him time and time again.

Trumpanze is an idiot. He started strutting around with his imaginary Nobel Peace Prize almost as soon as the "negotiations" were underway. If there was anyone left over at the State Department, they could have warned this bunch of ignorant fools that dealing with the North Koreans is no walk in the park. Oh, but of course, Cheetolini knows better than everyone else.

We cannot be rid of this dangerous traitor fast enough.

I'd add to R86 that if the Qatari report is true, it represents an MO—basically a policy—of bribery on the part of Trump through Cohen and presumably other minions. Qatar can't be an isolated case.

The Dems can't just run against Trump's "values"; they even have to get more concrete than "corruption." They have to stress over and over that Trump, as a matter of routine policy, is wasting billions in U.S. taxpayer money to enrich companies in China, Russia, the Gulf—and his own.

AND offer an alternative plan for jobs and for economic growth and maintenance, R132. Just running against him doesn't work for everyone. I know I hate the guy, but what are you going to do for me?

Trump is raking the money in as fast and furious as he can. And our congress is going to let him. And how well did the average family of four do under his tax cuts. I got no benefit

Let’s review just a portion of the past week’s developments emanating from connections to1600 Pennsylvania Ave:

Credible allegations of bribery; seriously ill senator insulted by White House personnel, the First Lady hospitalized; scores of rock throwing protestors (and their children) shot dead by one of our closest allies; and the President of the United States turns out to be dumber than a prostitute, her attorney and the leader of North Korea.

The assets of all Trump properties need to be frozen; this needs to be those that are foreign as well. Until criminal investigations are completed, taxes paid, and full accountability is determined and on the record, nothing should be released. After all fines and penalties are settled nothing should be released back to the Trumps-Kushners and their cohorts. If there is a net deficet, the government sells off properties to cover taxes, fines, fees, and unpaid revenue to the legitimate contractors where applicable.

Congress is being horrible with their enabling, spin, denials, and refusals to do their job because the Kochs and company don't want governmental change that will cut into their power, profits, and rape of the nation's natural resouces.

"Are those Ivanka's nipples pointing downward? Eww"

I pull on them when she changes my Depends. Baby wants to fuuuuck!

If Trump ever sees the writing on the wall, watch out. If you think he’s shameless now, just wait. He’ll grab as much cash as he can for himself and his business on his way out the door.

Now we’re all going to forced to use these bugged phones from China, and to subsidize the companies profits while we are at it.

Those phones will provide leverage if any U.S. citizens get out of line in the future.

Forced? Since when is it a necessity to have one of the chinese phones, R139?

Thousands of pages of congressional testimony on the Trump Tower meeting with Don Jr. and the Russians were released this morning. Seems Junior has a memory like a sieve. For example:

AP Politics @AP_Politics

BREAKING: Trump Jr. told Senate panel he couldn't remember whether he had discussed Russia investigation with his father.

R141 he must hae gone to the school of Sessions.

R46 = gaslit

The Rethugs in power aren't going to give a shit till the Dow dives consistently for months on end and their 401Ks are in the Shitter: then they'll consider turning their backs on the monster. Till then they'll hold their noses and give him Carte Blanche. Sickening.

r141....the part of that exchange that stood out to me was how easily and how quickly Junior was willing to throw Hope Hicks under the bus.........1.e. I didnt discuss it with my father, but I believe Hope Hicks did.

I will lay money on it that Hicks has flipped....thats why she quit her white house job right after meeting with Mueller. She wants to be as far away from the shitshow as possible, and she is not going to take a bullet for ANY of the Trumps.

R145: Of course! She is young, pretty and still wants to snag that rich husband and have kids. She is not going to let the trumps fuck that up for her.

It truly amazes me ow the Trumps....ALL OF THEM....always claim innocence AND always point the finger of blame onto others. That schtick only works so many times. You either have to believe theyre lying....or they are all complete idiots.....or both.

I'm not sure why anyone not named Ivanka thought they wouldn't get thrown under the bus to save Trump. And that includes Junior, he will get sacrificed and daddy will play like he knew nothing.

Don JR said something about Hope Hicks? I wonder if she actually handed over ALL her emails that she printed off for Trump? I think she has plenty of Rosemary Woods in her.

Trump Jr. and Kimberly Guilfoyle: Did Hannity or Jeanine Pirro or DJT do some matchmaking, or did they already personally know each other? Maybe Junior was on a Fox show with her.

The soon to be ex-wife knows a lot. She doesn't have to tell the feds right away, maybe though have a leak that reaches Avenatti.

So no one gives a shit that the Chinese are handing Trump Family a check for 500 million? Where is the fucking outrage?

In exchange for spying on U.S. citizens, no doubt.

The US spies on its own citizens... no need for China to do it.

No one is saying anything because now that Trump has done it, every other politician plans to as well.

always rumblings Went Cowdung is. spy for China. She's most definitely a whore, as her two daughters will be, also

This administration has been obsessed with other countries while America crumbles.

Seems like America Last is their new slogan.

Think about how the GOP had a complete game plan of obstruction and pointless investigations for the 4 years of the Hillary Clinton presidency. And then Russia pulled off its coup and the GOP was suddenly stuck with Donald Trump. What to do? Push through tax cuts, defund Obamacare, appoint extreme conservatives to the courts and just sit back and keep mum when it comes to Trump’s behavior.

Andy & Barney had their "Fun Girls".

B. Spurs supposedly had........

The Evanpublicans absolutely DO NOT care about corruption in their ranks. They have power for another cycle, and that is all they care about. As always, they're short-sighted--ignoring the fact that Americans are fleeing religious institutions because of their deplorable behavior.

Trump’s financial disclosure report has been released.

“In the interest of transparency, while not required to be disclosed as ‘reportable liabilities’ in 2016 expenses were incurred by one of Donald J. Trnmp's attorneys, Michael Cohen. Mr. Cohen sought reimbursement of those expenses and Mr.Trump fully reimbursed Mr.Cohen in 2017.”

Attendees of the controversial June 2016 Trump Tower meeting gave conflicting testimony to Capitol Hill investigators about how long White House senior adviser Jared Kushner was in the room, according to transcripts released Wednesday by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Kushner has always maintained that he arrived late and left early to the meeting, which was arranged after Donald Trump Jr. was promised dirt on Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. Also in the room were a group of Russians, some with shadowy ties to the government.

Four of the attendees, including Trump Jr. and two of the Russians, backed up Kushner's recollection, according to the transcripts. But two of the other people in the room that day testified that Kushner stayed for the entire time, or was there nearly the entire time.

r160....as if he would tell the truth.....it will eventually come out.....funny how he had no problem disclosing it now, after it became public amid differing explanations.....and after staunch refusal to disclose his taxes......hes only covering his ass on advise of someone because they knew he is fucked if he didnt disclose it.

Walter Shaub ‏ Verified account

@waltshaub 37m37 minutes ago More Somebody also needs to ask Rudy Giuliani why he said Trump paid $460,000 to Cohen for the Stormy Daniels payment and possibly others. That statement does not match what Trump disclosed in the financial disclosure report that OGE released today.

Trump isn't taking a bullet for anyone. He doesn't love Ivanka, he wants to fuck her. If he hasn't already. He doesn't love his wives, his children, his grandchildren, or anyone else. He is incapable of it. He's a raging narcissist and a sociopath. The kids will be expected to protect him, not the other way around. Everyone will go under that bus before he does.

The OGE basically referred Donald to the DOJ for possibly committing a crime.

Somethings going on with the student loan crooks. They got the admin to shut down the federal office of oversight on these crooks.

I’m guessing there was a payment.

Follow the money.

Ari Melber @AriMelber

NEW: Ethics office sending letter to Rod Rosenstein stating that Michael Cohen's payment on behalf of Trump was a debt and may be relevant to "any inquiry" Rosenstein may be pursuing.

R158 got himself blocked

Yuck

So Trump didn't want his financial disclosures certified that they contained truthful information? He's been watching Fox News too long, the real world doesn't work that way.

WASHINGTON ― A 30-year-old former CIA employee who the federal government suspects of ― but has not charged with ― giving a massive trove of agency documents to WikiLeaks is also facing charges in Virginia, where he’s accused of snapping photos as he sexually assaulted a passed-out friend as she lay on the floor of his bathroom.

Joshua Adam Schulte was arrested in August on federal child pornography charges, but it wasn’t until Tuesday that The Washington Post and The New York Times reported the government was interested in Schulte because it suspected him of providing WikiLeaks with thousands of documents on the CIA’s hacking operations. The “Vault 7 leak,” published in March 2017, was the largest loss of classified documents in CIA history. Schulte’s Manhattan apartment was searched one week after it was published.

^ sounds like a real piece of work

Don’t tell Trump, r169. If Haspel doesn’t make it through the senate, he’ll name this guy the new head of the CIA.

R169, so his passed-out “friend” was a child? What?

No more vids for you Boris r167.

Reuters: Mueller has subpoenaed Roger Stone's social media consultant.

Ivanka Trump has the fakest looking boobs that ever faked.

[quote]He doesn't love Ivanka, he wants to fuck her.

I have no doubt that he already has. And if it ever became public knowledge I have no doubt that the Deplorables would be perfectly fine with it.

Hell, they'd probably all start doing the same thing or openly admit that they already have.

Code name Crossfire Hurricane.

I love it.

A must-read if you haven’t already.

Jared Kushner became “agitated” and “infuriate[d]” at the infamous June 2016 Trump Tower meeting when a Kremlin-connected lawyer droned on about U.S. sanctions, instead of delivering on a promise to provide damaging information on Hillary Clinton. That’s according to Rob Goldstone, a British music promoter and friend of the Trumps who helped set up the meeting between Natalia Veselnitskaya and Donald Trump Jr.—and who testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee about the Trump Tower confab.

Goldstone’s testimony stands in contrast to what Kushner said in public about the meeting. In a July 2017 statement, Kushner paints himself as bored and confused by Veselnitskaya’s presentation.

Goddamn, that is a creepy pic of Jared.

Wendy deng is no doubt a Chinese spy, she introduced Jared to ivanka. I think Jared is a spy too, his dad is for sure. There was a poster who detailed the “evidence” in another thread. He convinced me.

And didn’t Jared get in trouble for a meeting or something because he wanted to ask the UN to delay a vote or something in Israel? I forgot the details but he needs to go to jail too

I know it’s taking a long time, but I still believe all these people will be rounded up and thrown in the clink.

Wendy Deng introduced Josh Kushner and Karlie Kloss too. Wonder where Josh fits in to all this.

R182 - me too! Along with a forced resignation for Dump ala Nixon style. Fuck “the people” and Congress - loss causes.

A poster on the crazy-eyed Trumpoid thread suggested that Trump should hire Aaron Schlossberg to be his lawyer. He probably couldn't do any worse, and Schlossberg will probably be looking for work soon.

R180 all photos of him are creepy.

I'll never forget the Tweet about how every single photo of him looks like the shots used in CSI / Law & Order type shows when they reveal the real Perp who was in the background the whole time.

Dare we hope this all catches up to Mnuchin?

Michael is having a really shitty day.

And it keeps getting shittier. WaPo confirms Cohen approached Qatar.

I was thinking today as I heard that Donald Jr had made 4-5 trips to Russia, what if it isn't Donald Trump Sr the Russians have video of being peed on by Russian hookers but instead it is Junior getting the Golden Showers. His is the marriage that is breaking up.

Acts that would have been shocking if committed by previous administrations are overshadowed and crowded by equally transgressive acts that pile up into something that would like us to forget that this is not normal. Even when Trump is gone, the corruption of a significant percent of the American population, those with whom we don’t merely disagree on principles and goals, but on reality itself, will be a lingering problem. They are weaponized minds, and their hate, as hate always is, is easily directed. The Republican Party itself now stands for little other than its own grasp on power, and for the domination of this country’s white male Christian-identified minority over the majority of us.

Well said, r191. Frighteningly well said.

Jesus, what a day.

R185’s photo shows what a devout Orthodox woman she is.

Maxine's following up on the New Yorker story live on MSNBC. She and her committee evidently wrote a letter to Mnuchin asking if he’d ever tampered with financial data (such as the SARs in question) to cover up for the President. His response? Nada. He never responded.

I think the question is, who didn’t Cohen ask?

R179 looks like someone photoshopped the mask off of EAR/ONS.

Ronan Farrow's latest -

These shannagins remind me of a big company going down.

Where is the disaster preparedness plan for Hawaii?

Also infuriating that Wall Streer is telling people the markets will be fine until 2020. Major crash is coming and economics verify

What is a "shannigan", R199? It doesn't sound American.

This, R200:

So why do we think Rudy let loose his probably totally made up "Mueller told me he won't charge Trump" squirrel? Was it just to get press to chase that instead of the other stories? Or do they think something is coming soon?

Ronan Farrow can find the Trump shit but the Maureen Dowd types can't?

Rudy has been out of sight the last few days......he needed a reason to have all eyes on him.

r202, he said Trump would not be indicted as president due to precedence. That does not mean he won't be charged at some point (Mueller didn't hire all those money laundering guys for nothing). The point was to get Fox News to act like this is new information (it isn't, Clinton set the precedent), and to twist it to his base that Mueller said he will never charge Trump--that is false.

Does anyone investigate anything anymore?

Nope, he'll be indicted. There's too long of a list. It will be history and set a whole new precedent. No one is above the law. No one.

Congress is not doing the extensive investigative work that is part of their job. Until the Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan types are tossed, there will be little done that is a constructive check on the corruption in the executive branch.

Rudy is full of BS. Wait until the Trump family members start getting indicted. They have no protection

I thought it was Rudy saying Mueller would never charge Trump, not that Mueller told him he wouldn't charge Trump. I think Rudy also said a President can be a subject but not a target of a criminal investigation.Now there was some speculation by former DOJ lawyers on MSNBC with Ari, who said Mueller is a very conservative guy as far as the way he works and it is possible that Mueller would deliver his findings to Congress with a some directive for Impeachment.

Of course ultimately if he takes that course then it would be up to Congress to begin proceedings. But my guess is the media is going to get that information once Congress has it, and it will get leaked out. Public uproar about the findings of a criminal investigation might make it impossible for Congress to ignore. Especially if several million of us are camped out on the front lawn of the Capitol.

I agree with who ever just said that it very well may be Donnie Jr. who has a pee tape. After reviewing tonight's bombshells, I'm also convinced there's a prison cell with Donnie Jr.'s name on it. His wife is smart to divorce him and get her cash before the government strips him of his assets.

So let's assume Jared, Donnie and Michael Cohen go to jail and Donald Trump Sr. won't go to jail but he will leave the Presidency one way or another. He will not serve two terms.

I'm America's Lawyer

Doubtful it was Fredo with the pee tapes. It wouldn't be a big deal and Drumpf wouldn't let people think it was him. Give me a break, since when does he care about any of those kids?

Mueller might not indict Trump.....if his charges equate in part to Treason and espionage, then he will probably arrest him and charge him directly. Were not talking about some petty crimes here.....even Watergate pales in comparison.

If Trump is charged and covicted of Treason, they better hold the death penalty over his head to put the fear of God into him.

hang him for treason.

All of these corrupt fuckers need to be held to account for their treason.

Dana Bash doesn't look so good here.

But, R9, I think it has to be a virgin who is the "food."

If his children ar charged, Trump will just pardon them. But I do love the idea of Jared and Ivanka perp walk in cuffs

Has anyone notice that Rudy is blue lately? Like, the color blue? He looks like he is in black and white.

not if hes named a co-conspirator.

PS, Bill Maher is right. Trump family is organized crime

r219 Jared is facing crimes in NY, there is no pardon for him (and Rudy told us he is disposable). They will put up a fight with Ivanka, but Jared will likely do time when it's all over.

Mueller one year anniversary. Don't know if anyone caught CNN Don Lemon who ran the answers of Donnie Jr testimony about the meeting at Trump Tower. Every fucking answer was I can't remember or I do not recall. He especially could not remember who he spoke to on the phone for 11 minutes. I am sure it was to daddy and I am sure Mueller has that blocked number

The second Trump is not president Mueller will indict. The big deal will be taking down Pence before Trump. It will all be in the timing.

People keep talking about Mueller's anniversary, but IMO I think that the investigation began with the FBI and the FBI Counter Intel divisions, at the end of July, 2016. So this July it will be two years. No doubt Mueller brought resources and expertise to the effort but I believe the two guys who Trump fired, Comey and MC Cabe were on to something important. I think the Counter Intel guy left too Schrok? Wasn't he busted for saying insulting things about Hillary or Trump to his girlfriend? Mueller fired him.

R225 We don't hear much about Pence. Only that he's not very bright and that he's a sycophant. We know he lied, but a case could easily be made that he was deliberately fed false information. He hasn't lied under oath. I don't think he's done anything illegal. What could they have on him?

Karen at R227, you should go to bed now.

R227, Imma be nice, OK? VP Mike Pence chaired the Transition team. he knew about Michael Flynn. He allowed him to be hired and to serve as NSA after Sally Yates and other DOJ people warned "the administration." Who do you think got those warnings? Pence was part of it and he ignored the warnings. Maybe he did it out of weakness, or to show he was part of the team. Maybe he was coerced . Who gives a shit. He knew. He permitted it. And he lied.

When he was governor of Indiana he was famous for lying...among other things. And BTW: Pence was submitted by Paul Manafort to be the Vice Presidential candidate. We have heard he has some kind of relationship with the Kochs, but Manafort brought him in. Do I think Pence is really dirty? Probably not. But he is part of this and he ought to be dumped. He may very well become President. But he will never be elected President. In fact it is my hope he is never elected to or holds any public office again in life.

Maybe Orange turd will make a deal and resign but won’t be charged. I want to see Jared go to jail!!!

Mike Pence may be the ultimate example of failing upward.

He did nothing in Congress and was a disaster as Indiana governor, widely reviled and going to lose re-election.

Then Trump picked him as a symbol, a carrot for evangelicals, and now he's a heartbeat away from being the leader of the free world.

[quote]“In the interest of transparency, while not required to be disclosed as ‘reportable liabilities’ in 2016 expenses were incurred by one of Donald J. Trnmp's attorneys, Michael Cohen. Mr. Cohen sought reimbursement of those expenses and Mr.Trump fully reimbursed Mr.Cohen in 2017.”

You will laugh at a grammar queen, but I believe the lack of a comma after either "liabilities" or "2016" was intentional.

They absolutely are required to be reported, and on the 2016 statement.

LOLZ

R227 here.

Don't get me wrong. I despise Pence. Yes, R229, everything you wrote is valid. But it's all mostly forgotten, old news. Shoplifting compared to all the illegalities committed by Trump and others. And I don't think Pence has the paper trail that we've been discovering behind Trump. I'd love to get Pence out of there, but most of his crimes are considered rather benign.

If anybody knows or has anything - PLEASE - send the evidence to Michael Avenatti.

People are speculating about the notes Manafort took at the Trump Tower meeting which were among the released transcripts today. He noted down "133m shares". Speculation is this may be the brokerage fee for the sale of 19% of Rosneft.

Bill Browder from the Manafort notes refers to the guy who made the Magnitzky Act happen. So they were talking about the Act aka its repeal. Then they talked about offshore Cyprus and 133m shares.

R234, just because something's been forgotten by the press and the wider populace, that doesn't mean it's been forgotten by Mueller and his team.

Germany's Der Spiegel doing what they do best.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross was Vice Chairman of the Bank of Cyprus, favored by Russian money launderers.

Ross's daughter is also married either to some oligarch friend of Putin. I know he has a direct connection to Putin. So odd. When you look at Michael Cohen's family ad Ross and Jared & Ivanka it's almost as if they all had arranged marriages.

If they could get Donny Jr., that would be beautiful.

God this whole thing is so fucking crazy. The layers and layers of crimes and corruption are astounding.

Kelly Anne and the Magical Pussy Tour.

What's new on Cambridge Analytica?

The Whistleblower told Congress that Steve Bannon and Cambridge Analytica worked very hard to suppress the Black Vote in 2016.

Right-wing media has been abuzz the last few days with allegations that the FBI had a "spy" in the Trump campaign. This morning, Trump addresses it in a tweet:

Wow, word seems to be coming out that the Obama FBI “SPIED ON THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WITH AN EMBEDDED INFORMANT.” Andrew McCarthy says, “There’s probably no doubt that they had at least one confidential informant in the campaign.” If so, this is bigger than Watergate!

Man Trump is really grasping at anything, isn't he? He is so eager to deflect everything he and his gross family did off on others. "Look over here!!"

[quote]this is bigger than Watergate!

Well, he got that part right.

My favorite part of Manafort’s notes is the reference to CHENEY.

R249 A name you never want to hear again surfaces... Trump is like a particular noxious blend of Bush 2 (Dumb) and Cheney (Evil).

Michael is what is known as an "ambulance chaser"

I really want to know what the Cheney connection is.....nobody is talking about it.

Mike Huckabee notes his daughter, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, is the ninth most admired woman in the world!

Scroll down briefly to the link in the tweets.

This is quite perplexing. DL needs to to their own poll authenticate.

Fox & the Daily Caller have gone way off the rails.

^DL needs to do their own poll to authenticate.

Thumbs up, r241. Such a great movie. Have lost track of how many times I've seen it.

I imagine with world Huckabee means his own household.

He admitted to voting “several thousand times”.

It’s like when Miss Philippines gets awarded Miss Photogenic (an internet vote election) or she gets chosen as the wild card fan favorite semi finalist, no matter how ugly she is.

[quote]Michael is what is known as an "ambulance chaser"

You need to specify which Michael

What's hilarious is he keeps screaming "Obama's FBI". The FBI does not work FOR a president. They are more than capable of doing shit without anyone else knowing what they are doing.

that idiot thinks every government agency works for HIM and for the people. Hence, his God awful cabinet appointments, endless grifting and soliciting of foreign dollars.

I wish stories would break every couple of hours instead of 10 stories breaking just before the RMS

*NOT for the people.

Duh

Twitter is as guilty as Cambridge Analytica or Facebook for promoting this useless POS.

The problem is that there is a demand for guys like Trump, because that demand was created in the past by others. And, unfortunately, the demand grows bigger for worse people in power (yesterday, GWB, today Trump, tomorrow ...?) thanks to the scandalized and manipulative media. As long some people are willing to satisfy that demand for worse (to suit their own agenda of power and self enrichment) instead of going the opposite direction and only offer someone slighty less bad (and after that someone less bad than the previous one, etc.) this is not going to change unless with some seriously drastic Nazi-like solution where the Deplorables demographic is either killed or made sterile so they can't breed future generations of Deplorables. Of course that would also have to include getting rid of the snake oil salesmen who create the demand for the likes of Trump in the first place.

I still want to know why Cheney popped up in Manaforts notes during the Russian Trump Tower meeting.......doesnt that strike anyone else as odd ?

The current right wing talking points is that the FBI set Trump up during the campaign with an inside informant.......spin, spin baby.

When is today's big news going to drop?

[quote]The current right wing talking points is that the FBI set Trump up during the campaign with an inside informant.......spin, spin baby.

Republican David Frum: Trying to wrap my head around the claim that it somehow reflects badly on Obama that Trump's campaign was so riddled with agents of foreign powers that FBI felt compelled to investigate.

r265 This explained the Cheney reference pretty clearly, I thought.

[quote]The current right wing talking points is that the FBI set Trump up during the campaign with an inside informant...

The media should ask Cheeto what use an informant would be to the FBI if, as he claims, there was "no collusion, no obstruction". What would the informant inform about, Cheeto's Depends?

BuzzFeed piece on the attempts of Michael Cohen and Felix Sater to build Trump Tower Moscow—which went on far longer than previously reported.

Sater was still working Russia sources right through the GOP convention in July 2016.

Look, there’s photographic proof Jared stayed at the meeting

No Mike Pence. Trump is horrible but we're so fucked because Pence is just as bad. He once said gays should be hung. And he has been a Koch puppet since his days in Indiana as a congressman. Major supporter of the No Climate Tax bill put forth by Americans for Prosperity, one of the Koch superpacs. Pence, along with Paul Ryan and so many GOP congressmen and women belong to the Koch brothers. The Koch brothers are evil. Even Sloppy Steve Bannon hates them. And Steve likes everyone- he even likes the crazy Mercers. The Mercers are saints compared to Charles and David Koch. Read Jane Mayers book Dark Money or watch the documentary- which is hard to find. Wonder if Kochs have suppressed it somehow. The Crazy creepy criminal Koch brothers are the worst thing to happen to government since Standard Oil. Why do you think Scott Pruitt hasn't been fired yet and probably won't be. Ditto Zenke, DeVoss. Money in their own right but close to Pence and Kochs among many many others. WTF . We're fucked no matter what.

Ari Melber @AriMelber

Wow so Giuliani’s new defense is *not* denying evidence of collusion, but instead insisting:

1) DOJ policy advises against indicting a President (true)

and

2) It is legal to get political dirt “from a Russian” (false)

We are a *long* ways from “we didn’t do it.”

[quote]He once said gays should be hung.

I don't have a problem with this.

Hanged is another matter.

[quote]DOJ policy advises against indicting a President (true)

If the President can't be indicted, there's no reason Trump shouldn't talk to Mueller, right? Can't be a perjury trap if there can't be a perjury indictment.

I lik Guliani. So great when he opens his mouth and inserts orthopedic footwear into it

Pence = Aunt Lydia

We want to 'do' Jared!

OK, that was good, r275.

Pence is essentially taking control of the steering committee for the midterms. Corey L. was put on it as a Trump loyalist. While Pence gazes at Trump like a horny ho and relentlessly praises Trump, you know he is conniving to be President at the first opportunity. Pence is not particularly beloved by all Trump supporters, but is adored by fundamentialists/right-wing evangelicals and their hate-spewing preachers and interest groups. Pence is hostile to gays and opposes gay rights. He has an agenda there. The media during the 2016 campaign virtually ignored asking him about it. Not one question by CNN was posed during the 2016 VP debates about Pence's anti-gay stances.

Of course CNN has hired several talking-heads with anti-gay records to yap in behalf of Trump/Congressional Republicans.

R280 Minor correction: they should be WELL hung.

Remember what happened when Pence was selected as VP?

Trump wanted Chris Crispy but Ivanka and Jared were pushing Pence very hard. Trump didn’t even know who he was, or barely. Then, when the rumor that Trump was about to select him dropped, it was said that Trump was trying to back out of offering it to him at the last minute. He was supposed to get out off his plane and go see Pence to make the offer. Instead, he was on the phone calling people to try to get out of it somehow, but Ivanka and Jared were telling him it was too late and everyone knew about it already and he couldn’t take it back now. He met with the Pences with extreme reluctance.

Pence himself acted like a blushing bride, talking about how much he loved Trump and pushed Trump into an awkward position. A lot of people would have realized the candidate didn’t want them and gracefully made up some excuse, but not Pence.

I got the impression that one of his reservations was that Pence and Mother were Evangelicals, and he didn’t want sticks in the mud like them around. Another was that Pence was so unpopular in his home state that he couldn’t get re-elected there. But people around Trump really pushed for him and swore he just had to have him. So what was that really about?

One thing that really irks me about Republicans putting up with this shit is that as long as they see themselves getting something out of it they are willing to support this criminal enterprise. Be it guns, bigotry, oppression of women, LGBT, minorities, and refugees, stripping the safety net from the vulnerable, whatever their shtick is the trump family & co in the White House is A-OK as long as their hateful soul see a profit.

This is not OK. It's no better than having Al Capone in the White House, mowing people down with machine guns, taking hush money, screwing prostitutes and contractors, bribing small business, etc, and you, a deplorable supporter, get a kickback. Never-mind your kickback comes from con men, you're happy. NOT OK!!! It's illegal, unethical, disgusting, and just plain mean and hateful.

R273 and others. "No Mike Pence. Trump is horrible but we're so fucked because Pence is just as bad."

Pence is awful, but not even close to being as bad as Trump. Pence won't get us into war for one thing. We have a much better chance of surviving until 2020 with Pence in office than we would with Trump. And Pence would never win re-election, (unless Putin has his hand in it, of course). Trump actually could, as ridiculous as it seems. Assuming he hasn't resigned by then.

Also, we can much easily undo any damage Pence might cause. Not so much Trump, (again, nuclear fallout). Pence is very weak and truly poses little thread. It's WHY Trump ultimately chose him as his running mate.

r285, you can't undo the damage Pence would cause to women with working uteruses.

What r284 said

Let the chips fall where they may.

We can’t award Trump’s criminal behavior because we don’t like Pence.

And Pence is just as dirty with the Russians as trump.

Now is the time for us to have ethics & integrity. Get rid of the rat bastard Trump. And then get rid of his side kick Pence.

If circumstances occurred making Pence POTUS, he'd be a lame duck just serving the term until the 2020 election. And despite his religious beliefs, he'd never get any gay or anti-abortion legislation passed. I mean, not never, but it's extremely unlikely.

Pence is going down with the rest of them

Because we are in such an extreme situation like has never been before, I'm starting to think it will be an all or nothing scenario. If Mueller fully succeeds and we are able to actually bring Trump down, I think everybody will go down with him, (possibly including Pence). But if not, they'll all get away with it.

Pence can’t do any more damage than Trump is already doing anyway. Trump has let the religious right dictate his judicial appointments and a number of other positions and policies as well. The judiciary is fucked for the next several decades as it is.

Pence would do the same, but not much worse.

I could see Pence leading a “Handmaiden’s Tale” government.

Ain’t gonna happen, R293. He has nowhere near the charisma to be a leader in any capacity.

BREAKING: Manafort's ex-son-in-law cuts plea deal

A partial history of Jeffrey Yohai's real-estate scams

NY Airbnb subletting scheme...

[quote]Jessica Manafort entered into four separate rentals in an apartment building at 498 Broome Street, according to last year’s suit. She and Yohai told the landlord that they were filmmakers and were renting the apartments to house their crew, Goose Mountain claimed. “The defendants knew at the time they entered the leases that they would not occupy the units and instead intended to illegally sublet the units for profit,” the complaint said.

LA Airbnb party house...

[quote]After enduring and endless parade of drunken party goers, dangerously clogged streets, damaged property, and blasting music until the early mornings, a lawsuit was filed against long-time party house at 779 Stradella Road last week.

basically everyone around Trump, and everyone related to anyone around Trump is a crook and a grifter and a sleazebag.

Not treasonous but criminally stupid:

Chris Hayes: Bill Gates says that in *both* meetings he had with Trump, Trump asked if HPV and HIV were the same thing.

Remember, Mike Pence headed the transition team. He's already made some contradictory statements per the Russian saga. He knew what Flynn had been pursuing.

Flynn lied to Pence? It ain't a lie if one already knew.

A Russian plane linked to the country's government flew into the Seychelles the day before that 2017 Erik Prince Seychelles meeting that's now under review by Mueller's team, according to the airport flight data obtained by NJ Advance Media.

Manafort picked Pence for VP. Pence chaired the transition team and knew first hand the corrupt agents of foreign givernments (Russia, Turkey) that were being embedded into the administration. Pence will go down first.

R303: No he won’t. He is the backup plan.

r294, he doesn't need charisma. He'd be installed as the puppet head of the biblical law movement. And he had enough charisma to win the Indiana governorship.

Half the population being subjugated to reproductive slavery by someone in the pinnacle of power who zealously believes that's the correct thing to do is not something to callously shrug at and brush away as being "beside the point".

I am so happy that they are on top of the Seychelles meeting......I hate Prince and would love to see him put away for life....and it it also ties into the whole Bank of Cyprus thing and good old uncle Wilbur Ross....another traitor scum and one of the main money men in this scandal.

Have you ever been to Indiana? There's a rule. You never use the word "Charisma" in the same sentence with "Indiana." We sometimes mock "the South" but honestly places like Indiana, Missouri, Kansas, Ohio, Oklahoma, West Virginia, and the Dakotas make places like Arkansas look downright exotic.

New York Times acknowledges it buried the lead in pre-election Russia-Trump story

The upside of the New York Times’ aggressive coverage of the FBI investigation into Russian election meddling is that the American public is learning more and more about recent history. The downside is that the newspaper keeps bumping into its archives.

In a massive article Wednesday on the FBI’s 2016 snooping into the possible nexus between Russians and the Trump presidential campaign, reporters Matt Apuzzo, Adam Goldman and Nicholas Fandos include these two paragraphs:

In late October, in response to questions from The Times, law enforcement officials acknowledged the investigation but urged restraint. They said they had scrutinized some of Mr. Trump’s advisers but had found no proof of any involvement with Russian hacking. The resulting article, on Oct. 31, reflected that caution and said that agents had uncovered no “conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government.”

The key fact of the article — that the F.B.I. had opened a broad investigation into possible links between the Russian government and the Trump campaign — was published in the 10th paragraph.

That’s one heck of a concession: We buried the lead! In their book “Russian Roulette,” authors Michael Isikoff and David Corn report that editors at the New York Times “cast the absence of a conclusion as the article’s central theme rather than the fact of the investigation itself,” contrary to the wishes of the reporters.

The article in question was published on Oct. 31, 2016, and it has received a great deal of hindsight-aided scrutiny for the role it may have played in easing voters’ concerns about ties between Donald Trump and Russia. Under the bylines of Eric Lichtblau and Steven Lee Myers, the story, headlined “Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia,” hit the public sphere just as other outlets — Slate and Mother Jones — published reports that began poking at the outlines of possible collusion. Following the election, then-New York Times Public Editor Liz Spayd knocked the newspaper for proceeding too timidly.

In late December, the New York Times published a scoop reporting that the FBI probe launched in July 2016 and that its existence was a secret even within law enforcement. It raised the question: How could the New York Times have reached any conclusions about such a closely held effort? New York Times executive editor Dean Baquet told the Erik Wemple Blog at the time, “It is fair to say we know a lot more now about what the government knew about Russian meddling than we did before the election. We would have cast that story differently but it was never meant to give the Trump campaign a clean bill of health. It reflected the FBI’s skepticism, which was made public after the campaign. And which was all we could report at that moment. By the way, the question of whether there was collusion remains the subject of the investigation.”

In April, fired FBI director James B. Comey’s book tour provided yet another opportunity to revisit the In respo

R304, not after 1.3.2019.

.

R303

R308, the NYTimes' "acknowledgement" would mean more if they actually stopped doing shit like this.

Right now the criteria for op-ed page seems to be: "Willingness to punch hippies for sport. Writing quality, ability to follow a logical train of thought, and dedication to fact-based analyses are all optional."

The woman who ran the Political coverage of the 2016 campaign for the NYT was a Hillary hating bitch. She got promoted , failing upwards as a reward for completely fucking up the way they covered Trump. I saw her at some panel discussion and she warmed to Trump saying it was difficult to schedule interviews with Hillary, but Trump actually called them and love to talk to reporters. As if that was her criteria for determining how to cover a campaign. Tall blonde woman with short hair and sensible shoes.

[quote]she warmed to Trump saying it was difficult to schedule interviews with Hillary, but Trump actually called them and love to talk to reporters.

In a word, she responds to easy access as Trump responds to flattery by foreign powers. No thought given to how they play the others game.

If the NYT really acknowledged its mistakes, Maggie Haberman and Amy Chozick, among many others, would be gone.

I think trump will go down for money laundering, skimming, dirty deals, and Foreign pay for play deals not election fraud even though we all know he did it.

I do sort of wonder what happens next. the trumpistas are truly nuts and will never accept that Dear Leader has ever done anything wrong. He is Grifter Jesus to them, and I hope we are prepared for that.

What if Pence is the informant ?

R316: it is Pence or KellyAnne

It's Mother Pence. It's always mother!

Hey, Tony...

Don't give Pence that much credit. He doesn't have the brains or the morals to be an informant.

I want to rim Matt Apuzzo.

Said no one ever.

So romantic. Being a war bride is my ultimate dream.

Trump contradicts Giuliani and Giuliani contradicts Giuliani... all in the same interview. Giuliani whines, "That's really unfair!"

^He could put on his Rudia drag attire from the early 90s, or the more contemporary Trudy look. Deplorables would love it

R324 There are kids who can lie better than these two senile morons.

I despise Ghouliani. Ever since the 2008 campaign when he scorned Obama for being a community organizer (and the convention crowd laughed like being a community organizer was stupid) I've felt he was filth and beneath contempt. Just another conniving creep out for himself.

The koch cult are community organizers. Don’t forget that.

At a data privacy hearing, Ted Cruz avoids mentioning his own connections with Cambridge Analytica, and downplays the involvement of the Trump campaign with the same.

snake

R329, it's a toss up for me who has the most punchable face - him or Ryan. Today is a Cruz day.

Maybe it was Priebus. He still comes around the White House now too.

Wtf is wrong with his nose in that picture? Has he always had those craters?

All these politicians on the NRA dole convey they are "praying" for victims, families, and first responders when mass shootings happen. How about Congress and the Executive Branch actually do something about gun violence beyond prayers for victims, etc.?

Jim Jordan, who is vigorously attacking the Russian investigation and the DOJ appears to be quite ambitious and may pursue being Paul Ryan's replacement.

Michelle Bachmann had a better chance of being President r335.......not gonna happen.

Jordan should be tossed into a hay bailer then fed to the pigs.

Puhleeeze, like we'd eat that shit

Not so sure the gavel will be in republican (aka evil) hands for much longer.

Republicans are like the bad boyfriend that deplorables won’t leave even though he beats them.

Bill Gates says Trump asked him to explain the difference between HIV and HPV

Republicans are now hitting face plant of not being able to pass legislation. Morons

Why is Melania still in the hospital

Has it leaked that Kellyanne has given Trump handjobs?

Mueller and team don’t even know where to start but I think indictments are coming soon. People are panicked

Maybe the 2 new women coming forward are the 2 girls who accused Trump of rape in 2016. Maybe they decided to refile the cases with Avenatti. According to Lisa Bloom, the attorney of one of the girls, she filed but the day she was to have appeared in court, her client backed out. The client said she and her family had received death threats if she were to pursue the charges against Trump. Hmm, sound familiar Michael Cohen. Maybe this isn't the latest women to contact MA, but he said things are about to very ugly. And since we know he "raw dogs" who knows what story these girls might have- apparently they had to dress up as maids. Oh yeah. This happened with the assistance of his then best friend Jeffrey Epstein. Not going to guarantee this will turn the hardest core base against him or even if this is what Avenatti might reveal, but yeah. I think even most decent Repubs would find such behavior despicable. It's one thing to do it to a porn star but quite another to rape and threaten a 12 year old! If you don't know about this: Google did Trump rape a 12 year old. Easy peesy. But gag worthy. Not saying it's true.

Dershowitz is an Epstein enabler, probably because he too has diddled kids

Trump wants Melania to die so he can date Margot Robbie

Avenatti has raw gay sex? Hot

Huff. Post had an article about this. The woman is anonymous aka Katie Johnson and there are 2 witnesses. They didn't cover the story. No media did. Details too shaky but not unlikely. And yes, Dershowitz definitely attended parties. Why do you think he has gone so batshit crazy like Ghouliani in defense of Trump. Neither of those old pervs makes a nickels worth of sense. Trump has some compramat on those 2 comrades. If the details of this come out it will be explosive. It's not just Trump, Dershowitz, or Ghouliani. A lot more compromised by this or by affairs or by Russians. Ugly doesn't begin to describe it. Pure conjecture from following lots of clues and evidence.over the years.

About Melania. Maybe it was a suicide attempt. But I'm wondering if Drump threatened her physically, either of violence by himself, or by a proxy. Maybe she feels safer in Walter Reed than at home with her parents, or in the White House. She might be afraid to be away from her security detail and close to her husband when he is so unstable and angry. I've always wondered what the Secret Service is supposed to do if a person they are protecting commits a crime, like an assault, in front of them.

She went in for some maintenance work (plastic surgery)......youll see......shell look refreshed and rested the next time we see her.

R348 Why would Mel harm herself? She's set for life when the grandpa croaks. Her best revenge is to outlive that bastard. Now Trump being violent with her is way more likely.

R348, Having your husband cheat on you, for a women, is really humiliating no matter how vile he may be. She's from a very different society, and while most people would look at it like you and I do there's no telling what she may really feel.

R351 You don't think she was one of those women who had sex with married men?

When the Eisenhowers retired to Palm Springs, March Airforce Base put a third floor on the hospital just for Mamie to dry out in.

R348, R350. No way would Melania attempt suicide. She's devoted to Barron. I think she feels her job is to protect him at any cost, and sometimes that means acting like a supportive spouse.

Yeah, she's humiliated on a regular basis, but I'm sure she long ago developed tools to grit her teeth and work her way through it.

I'm truly no fan of Melania. Many feel sympathy for her. I don't. She made her choice and she's sticking by it. But I suspect she has a lot more inner strength and many would suspect.

^^THAN many would suspect. .... and resolve!

She married a man who likes to humiliate women. She probably enjoys it. Yes, people should save their sympathy for real women who lived through abuses. Not this villainess.

Never forget Melania is part of the Trump crime family... not a victim of it.

Trump, Dershowitz, Epstein, & Giuliani

[quote]I've always wondered what the Secret Service is supposed to do if a person they are protecting commits a crime,

What an excellent idea for a film!

[quote]Trump wants Melania to die so he can date Margot Robbie

Sound like he's had his eye on Bill and Melinda Gates' daughter for a number of years . . ..

[quote]Sound like he's had his eye on Bill and Melinda Gates' daughter for a number of years . . ..

Well, unless she has that HPIV thing.

How long has Melania been in the hospital now anyway? Is it longer than the predicted five days?

Unless she comes out of there with porn star boobs or huge sunglasses covering the plastic surgery scars, I’m guessing either he beat her or she’s really sick.

And why say kidney problems of all things? That’s kind of specific and unusual, they could have just said female troubles and nobody would have thought much of it.

Either way, if something’s really wrong with her she must be scared shitless about what happens to Barron. Trump has more rights over him than her parents, and all the stepkids are frightening psychos.

I guess he could go to boarding school, but he’s a mama’s boy and if he’s in the autism spectrum, that would be really hard for him and he’d need support afterwards. Her parents aren't going to live forever. He’s really alone in the world if she goes. Trump won’t have anything to do with him if Melania isn’t there to push it on him.

God I hope she comes out of the hospital with porn star boobs. That would be HILARIOUS. And then Trump will deny she had anything done.

She already has them.

R359, allegedly that happened with Bill and Hillary during the Monica Lewinsky thing.

I think one time they heard a lamp crash and knocked on the door, or came in, but Bill sent them way. And one time he had a bruised or reddened eye in their bedroom at night, when they heard fighting and came in. They agonized about what to do but apparently if Bill didn’t tell them to do something, they didn’t do it. Of course that was years ago when domestic violence was thought to be more private, but I can’t imagine Melania asking the Secret Service to save her if she was being beaten, can you? She’s too introverted and would probably be fearful of what he would do next time they were alone.

r363 those tiny things are not porn star boobs. THESE are porn star boobs.

As long as half brothers Junior & Eric don't take Barron to Africa to slaughter endangered and exotic wildlife in a fenced hunting camp for wealthy foreign clients. If the kid has a heart, he needs to be detached from the crime gang as much as possible.

Maybe Tiffany will be nice to him. She could relate perhaps.

Are you kidding R363? Both Ivanka and Melania, with their oversized boob implants, can give Stormy a run for her money.

Thanks, R366, but I still think Melania's are too big for her body. Ivanka's as well.

Maybe the plants or informants are a couple of hang around HOs?

Obama's Deep State FBI is putting a bugging device in Melania's breast implants so that they can Hillary's emails Benghazi Witch Hunt. What’s so hard to understand?

R365, link please or a photo or IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

r371 maybe she's being reprogrammed.

R372, no one needs to know whether it happened or not except you. Obviously a troll, probably a Breitbart or Russian bot. Fuck off with your demands.

R365's Bill and Hillary story is actually from an old SNL skit. I don’t think it actually happened.

Bill got a black eye, that is fact, R375. The former Secret Service man wrote a book about the incident. Not sure what SNL skit you're referring to, but it was an open secret in DC that Hillary hit the roof over the 'bimbo implosions' and got ugly when Monica's situation emerged.

Now if only someone would put the beat down on Trump.

r376 it's not necessarily a fact. It was a political book written by the ex agent with the obvious purpose to damage her chances for the Presidency. He slammed her in his interviews for it as well. I'm sure he was paid a lot of money to do so.

I heard Rumors that she threw a lamp at him during Lewinsky. This was before the book was written. I heard it on Bill Maher's old show. I specifically remember it because Bill said that he didn't blame her for throwing the lamp. Maher is a playboy and I figured he would have defended Bill over Hillary but he didn't.

I don’t think you even get to spend 5 days in the hospital if you get a damn kidney transplant.

abortion and hysterectomy

that's my guess anyway.

[quote]I don’t think you even get to spend 5 days in the hospital if you get a damn kidney transplant.

You do if the taxpayers are footing the bill. She gets it, we don’t.

So, maybe not just Russia....

Seth Abramson on the evilness of Erik Prince:

Prince even looks like a classic 1940s Nazi.

To those more conversant with the legal and political issues involved: if the Repubicans in Congress succeed in "winding up" the investigation, would that mean a report would be issued? And do you think Mueller's team has, as of now, already enough stuff to report on to bring everyone down?

R385: Yes and Yes

Thank you, R386.

Per the article at R382, pretty much everybody has bribed Trump to betray US interests.

r388 when he goes down it's going to be spectacular.

R384 If it only ends at "looks like". Unfortunately, the ideology of Prince and his ilk is modern day fascism. People forget many Americans were pro-Nazi (and Imperial Japan) before the US as a country declared wars against them.

If Mueller winds up his report and submits it to the House of Rep's, and they do nothing with it, that report will get leaked. We will eventually see it. Mueller won't leak it but someone on Capitol Hill will. But I think they keep working through the summer and fall. After the election, things could get interesting. But January 2019 sounds a long way off - but I think that's what will happen.

[quote] No way would Melania attempt suicide. She's devoted to Barron. I think she feels her job is to protect him at any cost, and sometimes that means acting like a supportive spouse.

Yes, she truly loves her son.

Mueller needs to move before the election. That way if Trump fires him or Rosenstein it will till be out here.

Was it DJT's plan to use Prince and his mercenary army to pull a coup d'etat? And that incompetent, evangelical sister running the Department of Education?

And what's worse, a shitty Congress that has done absolutely nothing to stop this mess. Heck, over a third of House Republicans would cheer the fascist takeover and end democratic institutions. Prince acts like he wants to be Prime Minister under in the Trump-Junior-Jared trioka dynasty.

Prince and his idiot sister are the worst kind of rich people. They want an oligarchy. More than that, they expect it as their due.

although I will say this is a difference: Erik Prince does seem reasonably intelligent, evil but smart. Betsy De Vos just seems like a classic dingbat rich bitch who has never ever had a thought in her head because everyone around her is more or less paid to tell her how wonderful she is.

And yeah, that makes Erik far more dangerous.

Prince was setting hi plans in motion for a private mercenary army long before Trump. Prince is bad news. Go rent or buy the book, Blackwater, by Jeremy Scahill. Prince is a dangerous man and he has no loyalty to anyone country.

I said before, this corruption is wide and deep. Collusion with Russia was not just 7 or 8 people on the DJT side. It is dozens of people involved at varying levels.

Melanie had an abortion from the aid who was fired

There seems to be a proliferation of right-wing networks. Newsmax, One America Network, and The Blaze are among them.

AT&T Uverse, Verizon Fios, Directv, Dish, CenturyLink, and a few others keep sneaking these network channels onto basic packages. Many of the hosts, presenters, guests, are former Fox personalities. For example, Bill O'Reilly is featured on Newsmax.

They could have done abortion in the surgical suite in the basement of the WH.

As to Mueller, it is not the report it's the indictments.

^ this. The last sentence.

Erik Prince arranging meetings between Junior and representatives from every government on earth helps explain why his dumb sister has a Cabinet position.

R391, I think Mueller's report isn't to HoR, it's for Rosenstein who decides what to do with it.

[quote]As long as half brothers Junior & Eric don't take Barron to Africa to slaughter endangered and exotic wildlife in a fenced hunting camp for wealthy foreign clients. If the kid has a heart, he needs to be detached from the crime gang as much as possible. Maybe Tiffany will be nice to him. She could relate perhaps.

They will probably shoot Tiffany first.

[quote]abortion and hysterectomy

Security guard?

Punishment?

The proliferation of right wing media is by design. They want to indoctrinate more gun nuts and white supremacists - all while lining their pockets.

I think Giuliani is put out there endlessly to try and normalize unethical behavior - so they can say later, "we have heard all that stuff and we don't care." Plus he feeds Trump's ego by sucking his ass 24/7

r382, Qatar is still Russia. It's Qatar that bought the stake in the Russian oil company, Rosneft.

The NRA has expanded its mission and has NRA TV you can subscribe to and it is all about Alt Right extremist positions. Real bad shit. And don't leave Sinclair broadcasting off the list.

A nice quite coup. No wonder he's been behaving as if he's king. That's what he was promised.

This American beat the Orange One to the carriage ride with a royal. Suck it Cheeto!

Now Ghouli is telling media that Mueller is open to keeping Cohen out of the Trump investigation - I really doubt Mueller confides in Rudy. This is a very sad time in American history

What we want is for Mueller to name DJT as an "unidicted co-conspirator." Then have Rosenstein agree to release the findings to congress. After that it will get out. On top, hope for formal charges against Don Jr. and Kushner. Bonus points for Sessions (but that sadly feels like a long shot)

And Ivanka too, R413?

who's the mole?

No mole. No mole.

R414 I'd love that. I'm not sure how/where she fits into the equation. She's clearly a crook. Both her and Don Jr lied about sales numbers in Trump soho and, like the true masters of the universe they are, captured it on email for posterity.

Does Don Junior have dementia? Poor thang can't remember those meetings with foreign agents agreeing to give 'assistance' to the Trump campaign.

Will his romance with Kimberly Guilfoyle also be forgetable?

Republican Tom Nichols:

Trumpers today: "So what? Foreign governments offered money and help and his campaign was totally into that. Because they're smart! Doesn't mean he can't be a good president."

Last year: "Clinton's foreign contacts and Clinton Global Initiative prove she can never be allowed near the White House."

Poor desperate Rudy! All during the campaign he convinced the media he had "inside" information on the Hillary investigation. The FBI was preparing to indict her. Noe he's driving his dump truck in the opposite direction. He is still an "insider" who knows how Mueller thinks, and what Mueller is going to do, and what Mueller's strategy is, and what Mueller said.

Dershowitz was just on ABC arguing the same line that any country can offer assistance to a candidate for president in a US election . No law against it

It’s illegal for the candidate to solicit or accept

R421 What a douche of wits he is.

Alex WItt the weekend anchor during the day at MSNBC just had Sam Nunberg on for an interview. During the interview Sam Nunberg apparently "outed" the name of the informant that was embedded in the Trump campaign. After he said the name they came back to Alex and she looked he had just said the "F" or "C" word to her; totally aghast. She then admonished him for mentioning the name, saying it was not their policy to do so.

Did anybody else see this same segment and if they did, what did they think?

Nunberg is still unmediated, I see.

R424, why would you write all of that and not say the name?

BTW. I'm personally not mentioning the name I heard because I if Nunberg was right I don't want it be used as ammunition in any way by the anti-Mueller Trumpites.

But I heard it and know it, and if you saw the segment, you know it now too.

Trump is going insane today with the tweets. I'm surprised they haven't distracted him with a trip to a golf course, isn't that what they usually do on Sundays?

What did Sam Nunberg say?

You've got to be kidding, R427. Like you're some Sherlock Holmes and spy rolled into one and Datalounge will break the big news because you're the only one who figured it out! You're hilarious and ridiculous.

The name is all over Twitter, you fossils. Go find it.

Alright, I've seen the name mentioned elsewhere in the news so I guess it's ok to post it. I have no idea why Alex Witt had such a problem with it being mentioned by Nunberg except may it hasn't been individually verified by NBC news or something, in any case here it is:

Stefen Halper

And r430, go fuck yourself.

How does this Halper reveal change anything at all?

R432 is a nut with fantasies of being a spy and a very active imagination.

It doesn’t change anything, R433. It’s further proof that Trump at al. are criminals who don’t care about national security.

Outing the informant could be dangerous for him, they should not have allowed it, should have cut Sam Nunberg off. Hope the guy doesn't turn up dead.

I was honestly surprised that nobody else had seen the segment with Alex Witt and Sam Nunberg besides me. I had no idea the name was already widely known.

Was not trying to be a detective or troll or anything.

The name has been on the internet for several days. That is probably why Nunberg didn't consider it a big deal to mention it.

Trump is having a meltdown today on twitter, I wonder what is coming around the corner for him to not play golf and do nothing like he usually does. Nunberg was told to out that informant, too. Here he is blaming shit yet again on Obama and Hillary:

[quote]I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow, that the Department of Justice look into whether or not the FBI/DOJ infiltrated or surveilled the Trump Campaign for Political Purposes - and if any such demands or requests were made by people within the Obama Administration!

[quote]What ever happened to the Server, at the center of so much Corruption, that the Democratic National Committee REFUSED to hand over to the hard charging (except in the case of Democrats) FBI? They broke into homes & offices early in the morning, but were afraid to take the Server?

[quote]...in the Hillary Clinton Campaign where she deleted 33,000 Emails, got $145,000,000 while Secretary of State, paid McCabes wife $700,000 (and got off the FBI hook along with Terry M) and so much more. Republicans and real Americans should start getting tough on this Scam.

Cheeto is shitting in his depends!

I must be out of the loop. Been busy. WTF is going on? The FBI had an informant planted in the T campaign? That tells me that they must have suspected something already.

Who is this raging CUNT Carrie Sheffield who was just on MSNBC spouting all her right wing deplorable talking points and trying not to let anybody else on the panel get a word in edgewise while she lied and lied and lied her ass off about the Steele Dossier and everything else having to do with the Russian investigation?

I swear to god some of these Trump supporters are just the absolute scum of the earth.

R442, I'd really like it if they would start turning off mics when guests merely scream over everyone else without allowing others to speak.

This "alledged" informant worked for Republican Presidents and their campaigns. Read his work for Reagan.

R444 He is Deep Throat 2.0?

R437. I was watching Alex Witt and like you, I was pissed that they even had had koo koo Sam Nunberg, who is destined to accidentally fall into a vat of grease and drown, on MSNBC after his last drunken tirade. He acted as nervous as a whore in church. He is doing what someone (Stone and Trump) are telling him to do). He has like one functioning brain cell and is infected with syphillis. I didn't catch the informants name and I hadn't seen it anywhere. He could be in some legal trouble for revealing it on TV. Hope they put his nuts in a tighter vise than they already are. Roger Stone is scum. I loved Jonathon Alter for bitch slapping little Miss Unchristian fundie right wing moron Carrie. Why does MSNBC have these kind of people on? They add nothing to the dialogue except for muddying the water even more to Trumps advantage. Leave this ilk on Fox News. The MSM needs to get a clue.

R444 If he brings down this shit show, then he is a national hero.

Pardon the extra 'd' in "alleged".

So is this good for our side or Trumps side ? I'm not born in America so my understanding is limited.

R449: Not good for Trump. More panic, deflection, spinning and possible obstruction.

"I hereby demand." I'm surprised he doesn't add, "off with their heads."

R449 Trump will say he was the victim of Deep State spying, but he's been spinning that yarn for weeks now, and no one but the lost cause deplorables fall for that victim act. However, this informant is only good if he brought solid evidence of wrong doing to the investigation. Otherwise, his outing is just a distraction in this whole process.

Trump will fire Risenstein - possibly tomorrow.

*Rosenstein!

[quote]The FBI had an informant planted in the T campaign?

Not really in the campaign; he just met with some members of the campaign in order to help assess whether a foreign power might have infiltrated the campaign, or even be acting in conspiracy with it or in control of it.

[quote]That tells me that they must have suspected something already.

That's been widely known. Republicans have been trying desperately to pretend that this all began with the Steele dossier but that came along months after the FBI and other security agencies were aware of these issues.

What Trump and his sycophants are doing is pretending that this was a major abuse of power by the Obama administration ("worse than Watergate!!!") when the reality is that this was a standard counter-intelligence investigation brought about by information received. And they are using this pretense of this major abuse of power to try to discredit the investigation, shut it down, and stifle all such investigations and dissent, in the Justice Department, the FBI, and other intelligence agencies.

These are the actions of an authoritarian government, not the actions of someone concerned with the rule of law.

R455: Will he (Trump) be successful?

Nobody knows, r456. As long as Congress remains in Republican hands, there is little that Democrats can do. We need at least the House back this year.

R456 I don't think so. The investigation has a life of its own. Remember it started because Trump fired Comey. Firing more people won't stop it but would rather increase the call for further investigation. The pivotal point is the mid-term election. Up to now, the investigation has been rather benign and even timid towards Trump, but it can turn aggressive and hostile if the House falls to the Dems. Even if they can't successfully impeach him, they can torpedo his re-election attempt.

And they can do a real investigation instead of that bullshit that Nunes tried to pull.

Cheatolini is having quite the meltdown -- such a child. He is throwing every debunked reich-wing talking point against the wall in the vain hope that one of them will stick.

What a dreadfully horrible creature.

Fucking Repugs are rotten to the core! Thank God this asswipe is leaving Congress. He probably has a cushy job all lined up.

Here's the Alex Witt/Nunberg clip from MSNBC

I think it's hilarious that the Royal Family decided not to invite any heads of state to Harry and Meghan's wedding. You know it's because they didn't want the Trumps there. I wonder if the Trump's ever spend time with anyone who isn't a money-dripping creepy conservative toady? A whole different world of entitled, hateful people who kiss each other's asses because they are all on the take.

1. Sam Nunberg didnt out the informant.....that was Ken Dilanian yesterday.....he actually published it and is defending his actions amid a backlash for doing it.

2. There is a strong possibility that there will be indictments tomorrow or in the next few days.......Trumps meltdown, Roger Stones meltdown, etc......Trump can demand anything he wants....but he better be careful of what he wishes for.....they could intentionally release some pretty damning evidence which will backfire in his face.

Roger Stone melted down? Details please.

If these morons were so gleeful about the DNC hack, they have no right to complain if someone tattled on their cheating campaign.

r465......they sugar coat it here, but he was as unhinged as Trump about Mueller.....

Worry about tomorrow.

The Trump tweet that Wittes is discussing looks crafted, like the product of a WH consensus—not just DJT thumb-fumbling away on the john. They mean business. They think that exploiting this "informant" business is their surest inroad to stop the whole investigation.

It's also very telling that the WH sees the FBI informant not as a US agent ensuring that foreign nationals don't corrupt the Trump campaign, but as an attack on Trump. They're implicitly admitting that his campaign sought assistance from foreigners (Russian, Qatari, etc.).

HA!!!! I truly believe Mueller and his team understand how unpredictable and dangerous Trump & Co. are. Good will triumph over evil.

Having said that, I cannot emphasize my angst over this. I’ve been in this state for a year and a half. This is like watching a murder in slow motion. You can feel every single twist and turn, it is a horror show. Think of your worst nightmare ever — that’s what this feels like.

Bill Maher had a great closing on Friday. He basically said Trump will NOT be interviewed, that SCOTUS won’t make him, and even if they do, he’ll just flip the bird — and then what do we do? I do have some faith in our justice system, but the number one priority can ONLY be winning elections. We have to squash them at the ballot box like the cockroaches they are.

R470 That is the Trump tactic. Admitting to crimes bit by bit and then have his cronies yell really loud it's not illegal. LOL The reality warp defense.

R471 I have the same angst, given how Trump has been allowed to get away with things Obama never would have. I mean, the same people who went so nuts over Clinton's fucking emails have shrugged off his horrible behaviour. It's this stubbornness and refusal to see him for what he is that concerns me.

However, I have a lot of faith in Mueller. And Trump's unhinged behaviour suggests he knows he's got a big storm coming.

Bill Maher is an ass. When Trumps criminal /treasonous amoral dealings are revealed - and they will be from the money laundering to the numerous women to abortions paid for to illegal dealings with foreign entities. Dear god. Never has the corruption or outright criminality been this deep. There will be no a Trump running for reelection. The Republicans will be lucky if they even have a GOP to cobble together. Why don't some people get this is about so much more than 1 Stormy Daniels and. Little Russian " collusion". Duh. As Seth A. Says , when all Is said and done, this will span at least 6 countries and so much more. And guess what? Mueller has an expert crack team and Trump had Guliani. Lol. Oh plus Trump and Guliani are up against not just Mueller, not just the SDNY but my hero Michael Avanatti. Basta

I agree that Bill Maher is an ass, but at least WYSIWYG with him. And I agree with him that Trump will continue to do things that are “unprecedented” because he simple does NOT give a shit. He has no shame.

did Roger Stone's two cross eyes finally melt into one? They only had about 10 millimeters to go.

Guiliani’s announced that Mueller’s Investigation would be over by 1st of September. Why would anyone believe anything Giuliani has to say? NYT is reporting it as news with Giuliani as the source. Isn’t the headline more “Another Lame Ass Thing Guiliani Said”?

I watched Maher's show, and I agree that he may have a point. May. A lot will depend on the indictments that Mueller issues and the report that he gives to Rosenstein that could form the basis for articles of impeachment. Maher claims that we will never get to the needed 67 votes in the Senate. He could be right -- but we just don't know. If the evidence is so solid and incontrovertible, then there might be enough Rethuglican Senators who will do the right thing and remove him from office, thus ridding the world of this menace who is pretending to the President.

If they refuse to, well then, what we sow is what we reap.

R477, we're supposed to take Guiliani very seriously because he is a very serious person. America's mayor, don't you know? So nevermind that he told us it would be over in two weeks about 3 weeks ago, we need to take very seriously that he says it will be over by September. And of course the NYT has to report it as serious news, because they only do serious journamalism, they would never act as a mouthpiece for corrupt conservatives.

r477 September, really Giuliani... this man has no brain cells left.

Agree that Rudy just makes up stuff to make it seem like he is managing the investigation. I seriously doubt Mueller ever talks to him, and I also seriously doubt Rudy has any authority

This new stuff about an Obame spy = desperation

Yes, the Ghouliani makes shit up. And he says it with this air of confidence, and such a dismissive tone -- as if to say, "of course I know what I'm talking about; do you know who I am?" Of course, he is consistently wrong. I want someone to challenge this fool on the September 1 date and ask him what happened to the "two weeks and its done" nonsense? He's a senile old fool.

[quote] I think trump will go down for money laundering, skimming, dirty deals, and Foreign pay for play deals not election fraud even though we all know he did it.

I agree, but I think it is because the real crime is treason. He along with most of his cabal are enemy agents and they worked to steal the election, throwing a few votes to Stein hither and yon in the precincts that counted. I think Mueller has actually been tasked with getting us out of this mess without the full truth coming out because it would be too damaging to the Republic, which is a shame since the penalty for treason is death

This is part of a strategy to condition the public to get fed up with the investigation and begin wondering when it'll end--or think that it was already supposed to end. That this is dragging on, that it's longer than it's supposed to be. They'd kind of begun this (remember when the investigation was supposed to be over by Christmas?) but Giuliani's gone all in on this.

Ymy problem with Bill Maher and most of the press is they don't really do any real investigative journalism. We have no Woodward or Bernstein. We have sycophants who toady around to maintain WH access. I honestly don't think the majority of the talking heads have the depth of knowledge that real investigative people have like Seth Abramson and even some posters here who follow scrap of evidence reported and put it all together. It's complicated. So many bad people involved. Most of Trumps cabinet picks. Many Republicans in Congress. All of Trumps family, his personal lawyer, friends, business associates. Big times corporations like AT&T, Novartis. Saudis and Russians and Ukrainians. Porn stars and Playboy playmates and ex maids. Bill Moyers also has a nice timeline but this thing is complex. It's mind boggling. But criminal and treasonous and stomach turning and nightmarish and unbelievable- yes. That's why I think Trump has to be taken down. Or he will resign. Yes, even him who has no shame.

Ghouliani said "it COULD end in Spetember. LOL! It COULD rain tomorrow. Fuck Rudy and all the media whores who chase after him andgive him any air time. No one cares about that fuking clown. I hate seeing him appearing on the news shows. Between his bullshit lies and video clip of Trump rallies and speeches it feels like 2016 all over again and I am definitely suffering from PTSD. Enough. I want some fucking Congressman to draw up a bill to start impeachment proceeding and then get a petition to discharge the bill since we know Ryan will attempt to block it. But all we need is for 23 Republicans to join the Dems and fore it to the floor for a vote. Rotten fuckers.

[quote] I hereby demand, and will do so officially tomorrow...

How is it that “hereby demanding” is different from “officially demanding”? I hereby demand an answer, DataLounge. Tomorrow I will make it official.

FWIW I read that if Mueller was to conclude the investigation into obstruction- which is what Ghouliani is referencing - he would have to wrap it up in 60 days in order to not interfere with the mid-terms. I think that is BS too. But, I highly doubt Mueller who is cautious and not one to politicize would wait until Sept. to conclude that part of it. Ghouliani is full of shit.

[quote] and most of the press is they don't really do any real investigative journalism. We have no Woodward or Bernstein. We have sycophants who toady around to maintain WH access.

I'm not sure that I entirely agree with that. There are reporters for the NYT and the WaPo, among others, who are breaking stories about this scandal each week. So, I think that they are trying -- a bit too little and a bit too late. My problem is that they all should have been doing this BEFORE the damn election when it would have mattered. Now we have the worst of all possible worlds: he's in office and the burden has shifted to Mueller and the criminal justice system to bring to light all the dirty deeds Trump and Rethugs undertook to subvert democracy and steal the election with the help from foreign interests. Getting his fat ass tossed out of office is a significantly more difficult task than the voting public not allowing him to get there in the first place.

Had the press done its job and stopped fixating on Hillary's emails they might have been able to cover Trump in a meaningful way. Instead, the same journalists, commentators, and news people who now deride him for being a moron gave his every utterance the coverage he craved and needed.

[quote] R474: Mueller has an expert crack team and Trump had Guliani. Lol

Lol, good one.

Or Mueller has an expert crack team and Trump has crack....

Twenty six threads of masturbation and not one orgasm anywhere.

[quote]There are reporters for the NYT and the WaPo, among others, who are breaking stories about this scandal each week.

WaPo yes, but NYT still has a sycophantic relationship with power. Its reporters and editors are happy to ensure the status quo is maintained and slant coverage as needed.

R492, after edging for so many months, when it blows, get out of the way.

According to what I saw on MSNBC, the news from Giuliani was the investigation into obstruction of justice against Trump would be finished by September 1. No word on when the investigation into collusion, money laundering, campaign fraud, treason et al, would be finished. But I assume some time around when Trump hangs from his neck until he is dead, or shortly thereafter.

A lot of whats happening now, we were told about in detail by people like Rachel Maddow.....she did in depth reports on the Seychelles, Bank of Cuprus, people like Wilbur Ross, certain russian players like "the fertilizer king", meetings with Russians and Trump throughout the campaign with secret meetings in out of thway airports, etc.......

And I say this now.....TRUMP WILL NEVER TESTIFY UNDER OATH OR MEET WITH MUELLER.......EVER. Its all bullshit.....hes been saying he wants to talk to Mueller FOR ALMOST A YEAR. He has absolutely no intention of speaking to Mueller.....its all part of the manipulation techniques he uses for his base so they think hes trying to cooperate with Mueller, but Mueller doesnt want to be fair about it. HE IS A COWARD.

[quote]According to what I saw on MSNBC, the news from Giuliani was the investigation into obstruction of justice against Trump would be finished by September 1.

At which point Trumpistas will that’s all Mueller was given the charge to investigate, so his mission must be concluded.

It's all soundbites to placate the deplorables and nervous Republicans up for election. They want to know they are not heading into a November massacre, and that Trump would be "cleared" from any investigation by then. But good luck with that. If Trump is really innocent then the investigation might as well end now... Mueller is playing senile Giuliani like a fiddle.

[quote] hes been saying he wants to talk to Mueller FOR ALMOST A YEAR.

Just like he was going to release the damn tax returns.

We're still waiting. . . . .

He's such a bullshitter and a liar.

[quote]If Trump is really innocent

Ha ha ha! Oh my sides!

A con man. Half the country fell for it, and most of those still do.

Don't forget- it's not just Mueller and his team of ass crackers going after Trump et al, he's got pit bull Avenatti, who has something new about his(Trumps) dirty dealings with Cohen nearly every day( treasury dept. being asked to investigate whether or not and who tried to hide SARS reports from Cohen bank account)., and the SDNY. They , one or two or all three are going to gang up on him and beat his ass like a red headed step child. Oh yes ma'am. Special counsel, a brutally smart take no prisoners media savvy lawyer who can beat Trump at his own game, and the fierce SDNY prosecuting his sniveling snot weasel JV team mob lawyer who Knows where every body is buried and where all the $$$$ went and senile dotard is cracking up. Sad? No!

Even oldtime Clinton loyalist Mark Penn is calling this a fiasco. I take this to mean Bill's actions may be more legally tenuous then earlier thought.

[quote] The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming.

[quote] At this point, there is little doubt that the highest echelons of the FBI and the Justice Department broke their own rules to end the Hillary Clinton “matter,” but we can expect the inspector general to document what was done or, more pointedly, not done. It is hard to see how a year-long investigation of this won’t come down hard on former FBI Director James Comey and perhaps even former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, who definitely wasn’t playing mahjong in a secret “no aides allowed” meeting with former President Clinton on a Phoenix airport tarmac.

[quote] With this report on the way and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe, current and former intelligence and Justice Department officials are dumping everything they can think of to save their reputations.

Well, I comfort myself in knowing that there was a small voter turnout in 2016. Next time, that will not be the case. We will cast these vermin in into the sea.

The Hill is owned by a friend of Trump.

R503, I don’t even know what that jibberish is suppose to mean. “Deep State”? LOL

[quote] and congressional investigators beginning to zero in on the lack of hard, verified evidence for starting the Trump probe,

That is such unbelievable bullshit. Trump tried to get Comey to end the investigation into "he's a good guy" Flynn. Comey declined to entertain that offer. Trump then fired Comey and went on national television to proclaim that he fired Comey to dispense with the Russia investigation, which he dismissed as a charade and farce. Flynn was subsequently charged with crimes and pled guilty.

That sounds like obstruction of justice.

There is ample evidence -- backed up the Senate Intelligence Committee report -- of Russia's interference in the 2016 election.

Thus, there is nothing illegitimate about Mueller's authority to investigate these matters.

An opinion piece in The Hill, there's a showstopper alright, that'll put a quick end to things.

George Will opposing a Republican president, and Mark Penn defending him!

Good to see such stupidity in the Hill. Now I realize i should ignore their publications..

[quote]There is ample evidence -- backed up the Senate Intelligence Committee report -- of Russia's interference in the 2016 election.

And, what, 16 federal agencies?

What the public doesn't know is why Orange, Uday, Jarboy, Keebler Elf, Flynnflann, and all the others consistently don't report contacts with Russians, either during the campaign, after the election, or during the administration.

Or what is being discussed that must be kept so secret from citizens.

And the public had a right to know why and what.

I think the investigation is still open on,y because Trump keeps giving Mueller more material to document. It must be hard to keep up. I’d like to see Turnip and his top aides, including most of his family, executedfor treason, and fast.

[quote]I take this to mean Bill's actions may be more legally tenuous then earlier thought.

Well, yeah, but that's because you're pretty clearly a moron and/or a troll. As for Penn, that op-ed was laughable in its creativity and its lack of actual data. And parts of it were just stupid, like:

[quote]Perhaps the murkiest event in the timeline is Rod Rosenstein’s appointment of a special counsel after he personally recommended Comey’s firing in blistering terms.

Rosenstein was told by Sessions and Trump to write that memo; he didn't do it to "personally recommend" Comey's firing. There was no "murkiness" in that timeline.

Even worse is the pretense that Mueller's team has "found nothing," despite the indictments, plea bargains, and massive quantities of data that have emerged and continue to emerge. Mueller has moved faster and obtained more actual results than any equivalent investigation of the past few decades. Penn had to ignore all of that to write that drivel.

Sorry, but if this is the best you can do, you really need to go back to the drawing board and try again.

Giuliani is a ridiculous clown in the same league as Scaramuchi. World class fools. The entire trump crime org is made up of freaks and clowns. They are all cockroaches. They will be extremely difficult to eradicate but it must and will be done. Disgusting, dirty, creepy people, all of them. Everyone who is their ally gets stained by the rancid ooze they emanate.

All this posturing is for their benefactors and for the fundraising. Those grifters need to keep the coffer full so they can spend themselves back into office. It won't work. This is posturing for dollars.

[quote]Good grief Democrats, not this, not now. Chelsea Manning is running for the U.S. Senate from Maryland.

Oh honey, she's not a Democrat. She's a Russian chaos agent. Big difference.

And it's not like she's going to get anywhere or making any real waves.

The most dangerous places on earth right now are DC, Jerusalem and Hawaii. All three are going to blow up

There is a significant resistance growing to Trump and rich people trying to dictate values and concentrate wealth. The White House is in denial that Reublicans are now physical targets

News shows should not book Rudy or Kellyanne - these are paid liars not public servants

R503 There's a long story about Mark Penn's motives. An agenda is there with the old pollster. Kellyanne, a pollster herself, shows even less spin.

Penn wants to be the new Pat Caddell. Worked for Dems, lost, get bitter, turn to Fox.

Re The Hill:

Many years ago the Clintons summarily dropped Democratic pollster Mark Penn. It was a [italic] HUGE, [/italic] nasty falling out. Mark’s business and ego never fully recovered.

Obviously, Mark’s still lashing out.

None of which changes the fact that Republican appointed investigators are getting ever closer to Donnie Two Scoops.

R521, you're right. And Penn was seriously pissed off when his dreams of capitalizing on Bill Clinton's popularity to make some serious money all fell apart. He was hoping to partner with Clinton and lead him around. Underestimating the former President's intelligence, always a fatal flaw. Bill had already cemented a relationship with George HW Bush and was hooked up with The Carlyle Group. Penn was like a parasite looking for a host.

By insisting on making the September 1st deadline important, Giuliani and Trump are deliberately setting up a phony timeline they can then use to justify firing Rosenstein and Mueller. They are fixing that date in the minds of their base and in the broader public when that is not what is really going on. Mueller's Obstruction case report COULD be finished by September. It's not news they said as much a few months ago. I hate these rotten, dishonest, manipulated fuckers so much that if I ever ran into Giuliani on the street I would have to resist a strong impulse to slap him viciously in the face!

How long did the Whitewater Investigation last again?

"Length of Major Presidential Investigations By Number of Days"

Note that this does not include Benghazi, which wasn't a "presidential investigation," [italic]per se[/italic], since it was focused on Clinton rather than Obama. That one took four years from start to finish, and it included 8 Congressional investigations. Mueller is moving incredibly rapidly compared to the prior standards for such investigations.

Republican Rick Wilson:

You know what the Trump fluffers are ignoring, yes? They don't want to ask the first causes question, and it's pretty clear why. The origins of so, so, so many counterintelligence operations start with SIGINT. This wasn't some political hack job. This was a rising wave of information reaching various points in the IC and trickling UP the chain, not some top-down "Get Trump" operation.

This wasn't the ripshit "We gots us a dossier, let's RIDE, cowboys!" fantasy being sold by the Trump right media and Gentry Breitbart.

When you, your family, your private attorney, your most senior (and junior) campaign staff, business partners, and associates are ass-deep in contacts with people tied to Russian organized crime, Russian intel, and Russian oligarchs (but I repeat myself), it's going to show up.

As we've discussed, the FBI, DOC, IC, and FISA court ain't playing beanbag. They don't just say, "WHOA, Trump's a flaming dickbag! Let's subvert our oath and violate the law to screw him!" The Fox crowd uses the asymmetry of what the FBI/DOJ/OSC is forbidden to reveal (yet) to draw this lurid, stupid portrait for an evil Deep State conspiracy directed by Kenyan Muslim Sleeper Agent Obummer and Evil Sorceress Hillary the Child Cannibal for the credulous, the slow, and the wilfully mendacious who know better.

With all the contacts, associations, meetings, business deals, money, and hard intel that the Russians were attacking our election that *caused* the attention the Trump, if you think the system should have sat quietly and done nothing, allow me to propose a gedankenexperiment. Substitute "Trump" for "Clinton" and "Russian" for "Muslim" (or "Chinese") and tell me you wouldn't want the FBI to *do it's damn job*

I've said this from the very, very start. The IC has a royal flush, or damn near it. The fact that you haven't seen it yet is evidence of discipline, not absence. All this show, and bluster, and hair-tearing flim-flam from Team Trump is their usual disservice to the rule of law.

Steady on.

Mr. Wilson is a truth teller.

What's in R527's post? I can't see it.

(I don't mean I have them on ignore and therefore it's not visible at all. I mean there's a post with nothing in it except "-anonymous" at the bottom.)

R529 a summary and link to one of Rick Wilson's tweets.

Huh. Maybe it's something to do with my ad blocker?

R531 refresh your screen.

Twitter links don’t always work for me when I’m reading DL from my iPad. You might need to reboot your device.

[QUOTE]Evil Sorceress Hillary the Child Cannibal

I never knew this about her.

It is doubtful someone from upper DOJ or the Mueller investigation gave a firm target date of Sept. 1 to finish the obstruction inquiries and deliver a report. As someone said earlier, this is a tactic to pander to the base and GOP Congressional allies, and flawed grounds to pursue firings by DJT.

Isn't there a few bars in NYC that cater specifically to much older drag queen/cross-dressing clientele? Rudy needs to retire from whatever, and take his ass to one of those bars to spread his bullshit.

At Haspel's swearing in ceremony, Trump just praised one attendee: Devin Nunes.

Disgusting and inappropriate.

Quoting:

[quote]If there’s a dark conspiracy theory circulating about Deep State efforts to undermine Donald Trump, it’s a safe bet that it started with Rep. Devin Nunes, the chair of the House Intelligence Committee.

[quote]That seems to be the case with the purported scandal du jour: that the FBI planted an informant in the Trump campaign in order to gain information about its possible ties to Russia. Such a move, Trump allies argue, would render the Mueller investigation into Russia’s 2016 election interference illegitimate.

...

[quote]As with previous Nunes-driven controversies, this one started weeks ago with the California Republican’s efforts to disclose classified intelligence information, festered in the media fever swamps, and then percolated up to the president, who on Friday said it may be the “all time biggest political scandal!”

Nunes needs to go. Now.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Nunes among those eventually indicted for obstruction of justice.

r536......he also emphasized the agents who are undercover who risk their lives......kind of hypocritical seeing how hes demanding an informant be outed.

This is a brilliant summary.If you read nothing else about the Trump Russia scandal, read this.

Interesting perspective

If I were a CIA operative, you know, an agent? I'd ceate some scandalous public legal problem to get Rudy to shut his fucking mouth and tend to his own business. I'm talking about avideo of Rudy beating some woman, or evidence of him accepting bribes and kickbacks. Rudy is dirty. He has to have some serious skeletons hiding in his closet.

I'd even settle for having him on tape explaining to friends why he believes Trump is guilty as hell and probably ought to be hot for treason. If they can get Rudy, now that would be beautiful.

It looks as if the DJT-Kushner group is connected to an international crime syndicate inclusive of a myriad of oligarchs and government operatives, particularly with Russia.

Is Devin Nunes going to keep all this from being disclosed? This obstructionist needs to be thoroughly invested by the Mueller team pronto. Maybe they have been following his trail and contacts. $$$$ plays into this somewhere.

Dems shouldn't angst over every rant of this fool in the WH. Even if he fires people and try to brainwash the deplorables, he can't cover up all his crimes with so much of the evidence already in plain sight. Stay focused on winning the House. Once in charge, they can bust everything open on their own terms.

"Rudy is dirty. He has to have some serious skeletons hiding in his closet"

Honey, the only skeleton hiding in Rudy's closet is Rudy.

Nunes is a traitor.

I demand he be publicly hanged so we can all cheer the traitor's death.

R547 he's not a traitor.

You can't be a traitor against something you were never really a part of, can you?

I firmly believe he was a plant to begin with.

“He” r516

Trump is having a meeting with Rosenstein and Wray at the white house about "infiltrated" campaign......is he going to do something drastic ?

R550, Lordy I hope there are tapes.

Seems like a good time for this...

Where is the big story today?? Stone being indicted? Rosenstein getting the boot? The other women Avanati promised last week? Or does everything break just before the Rachel show??

I can't be the only one who's noticed that mass shootings happen whenever Trump gets his tit in a ringer.

Thanks a lot, r554. Now I can't get the image of Trump having a mammogram out of my head.

The Texas school shooting barely made a dent in the news cycle. They are fast losing any shock value. There are only so much thoughts and prayers out there to give.

🎼I’m all out of thoughts, I can’t pray without them...

The Texas School shooter was not acting alone, he was backed by the Ammosexuals of the NRA and the GOP lead U.S. Congress.

r545, and if Nancy P. becomes speaker of the House again(and she fully intends to) I'm sure she won't say "impeachment is OFF the table" again, right?

If the Dems had any balls at all....which they dont, when they retake the House, they would make Hillary Spreaker of the House (yes, they could do that)...and then go for impeachment blood.

r560 but it would never make the super majority to convict in the Senate. Nice thought though.

Wringer, not ringer...Oh, dear.

r561....you dont know that....you dont know whats going to come out.....if its treason, or espionage, or something similar....Trumps toast.

Dingaling

Rosenstein and Wray are meeting with Trump now, aren’t they?

Nancy did not say it was off the table this time. She was very clear. She said Impeachment is a serious Constitutional thing, and it must be Bi Partisan. Just remember. Pelosi is powerful. She has history with a lot of people. She knows exactly how it all works. Why do you think the GOP hates her?? LOL!

Jim Acosta just tweeted that Rosenstein and Wray have left the White House after their meeting with Trump. I guess we’ll know soon what that was about.

Seriously there aren't enough decent Republicans in the Senate who would vote to impeach this dangerous treasonous POS?

Keep your eyes on RT and Sputnik; I’m sure they’ll be the first to let us know what went down in the Trump/Wray/Rosenstein meeting.

It's the House that votes to impeach, R568, not the Senate. The Senate conducts the trial. And no, not with the information we have now. I'd be surprised to find a single one willing to impeach or convict in either House of Congress.

That's why Dems have to take back the House in this fall's election.

But then we'll have Nancy Pelosi has House speaker again and .....oh brother

Nevermind.

John Feeley, Trump's Ambassador to Panama, who quit in March because "My values were not [Trump's] values, interviewed in this week's New Yorker:

When I asked Feeley whether he thought Trump was a traitor, he looked startled and turned away. Staring out at the river, he replied, “I don’t know. I couldn’t talk about that.”

“You’re a private citizen now.”

“Yeah, but I still wouldn’t—there are still things. I wouldn’t comment on it.” Feeley wouldn’t look at me.

“Are you worried that he is?” I asked.

“You mean, like, ‘Manchurian Candidate’ shit?”

Finally, Feeley ventured an answer. Trump was “clearly a flawed man, much more flawed than other Presidents I’ve served,” he said. “The world is an unstable and complex enough place that we, and the U.S. President, should not be the cause of more chaos. But I would not comment on traitor. Traitor’s a big thing.”

Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi are older, establishment, corporate Democrats, and certainly tied to special interests as near all in Congress. Their comments on this saga has always been measured. I am not sure about their low-key strategies; but maybe it will work. There things they are not telling us.

Guests on Ari Melber right now are saying that Trump's latest move is an abuse of power and would almost certainly get him impeached if we actually had a congress willing to do its job.

The Supreme Court screwed labor rights today, a reminder why right wingers are willing to have a criminal in the white house. Right wing Supreme Court, a danger for decades to come.

r575....dont blame the SC...they specifically said, just like with Citizens United, that Congress CAN change the law.....the problem is getting Congress to do it instead of just talking about it.

FBI knew about Hillary Clinton's emails on Weiner's laptop in September 2016 but delayed to review them.

Why the fuck are we, the people, not picketing and protesting every single day in front of the WH. Congress, the Senate building and wherever else we can think of- we are just taking this shit like sheep. So meek. Including myself. Trump and Guiliani are going to war why aren't we going to war ? I'd like to get on CNN or put an opinion piece in the NY Times or The Washington Post. What can we the people do to fight this kleptocrat and thief? I'll March locally if he fires Mueller, I've written letters to my lame brain Kansas congressman And Senator Pat Roberts - what a joke. I'm ready to ballistic and do something more. I Will Trump get away with abridging freedom of the press by doubling postage rates on Amazon because Donnie 2 scoops hates Bezos? This shit is bad.

R594, a Congress doing its job would have impeached Trump almost immediately.

Does anyone remember the talk about how Hillary's emails got on that computer? I remember there was a theory that while crazy, sort of made sense.

If I remember correctly the claim was that they were planted on to his computer via a Trojan with the exact intentions of doing what ended up happening. The theory painted a picture that everything with Drumpf had been in the works for a long time.

Huma swears that she never used Weiner's laptop for work purposes... and that makes sense. How many people use their spouse's computer for work purposes?

I said right from the beginning that the timing of confiscating Weiner's laptop was dodgy. He was under criminal investigation for years for his sex scandal - texting case.

Next thread?

I also remember that the other part of the theory was that the girl he was sexting wasn't really doing it of her own accord. I can't remember if they said the girl didn't exist or that she was being coached on what to say because whoever it was kept making references to things that no teenage girl would likely know or even search for.

Yes, R582. It'll be coming shortly.

Nunes is a stooge. He would like Trump's ass if requested. Same with Stephen Miller. Same with Giuilania.

The DHS (homeland) is not prepared for the gunfire anticipated this summer,nor is EPA keeping any eye on Hawaii.

These tactics of creating chaos are Russian playbook. They won't give up and we are entering the era of the Resistance

Supposedly some Russian,,,,i think his name is Nikulin, a Putin ally,,,,,hacked into Weiners computer to plant the "undiscovered" Hillary emails....and in doing so, when his computer was confiscated for sexting with a minor....which he did do.....they "discovered" the emails. They supposedly used some guy from North Carolina for the hacking.

r585, why is it anticipated that there will be gunfire this summer?

Link to new thread for when this fills up.

Because, R587, there will be shootings in schools, churches, ball fields, malls, theatres and in corridors of power.

R589 but tell us what or why you are thinking these shootings are going to happen. Is this part of Trumps distraction or his base getting fired up🔫

It is more likely that Huma borrowed Weiner's laptop, which had a security clearance, to read mail from Hillary and inadvertently downloaded the emails to read later. An accidental bulk download.

I don't buy it, R591. Why would she need to borrow his laptop?

It was established that the Weiner computer was hacked. And no, I'm not going to find a fucking link. I am fucking sick and tired of Trump and his fake accusations and his tantrums. That fucker insisted Obama wiretapped him at Trump Tower. Now he is insisting that the Obama administration used the FBI to spy on him for political purposes during the 2016 election campaign and he is demanding they investigate themselves. He has also gained access t classified information from the FBI that will now be reviewed by John Kelly and "Members of Congress." It was described as top secret and highly classified. Pompeo and the new CIA lady will also be part of the review. This is unprecedented and frankly it is illegal for anyone under investigation to demand access to that kind of material while the investigation is active and charges have not yet been filed. Congress is refusing to do their job. I'm also sick and tired of the pundits and talking heads to keep drawing parallels with Nixon and Watergate. The HUGE difference is that we had a Congress and we had a court system that had not been bought off and compromised. They put country first.

This is going to bite him in the ass....now that the guy is outed, theres nothing to prevent him from talking.....he had to have uncovered something that justified the FBI taking the investigation to the next level....and it wont be good for Trump.

^^^^and it will prove the guy didnt "infiltrate" his campaign like he claimed.^^^^^

R594 R595, I was thinking the same thing. I'm hoping the intel will demonstrate to Kelly and the others who see it, that there was justification to investigate Trump because he continued to deal with foreign actors after he had been warned about them in his intelligence briefing during the campaign. there will be so much evidence through "wire taps" surveillance and computer records as well as human intel, that clearly demonstrate Trump broke the law. And you know once the members of Congress see it, they will leak. They will tell staff and out it goes.

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