A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Perfect thread title!

YAY! It was me who came up with the tittle two threads ago !! I am so honored.

Anyway, Ari Melber talked about how Mark Zuckerberg went personally to Russia (2-3 years ago) to meet the Kremlin's number 2 guy.

@TheBeatWithAri :

[quote]Mark Zuckerberg "went personally to meet with Russia's number 2 person at the Kremlin" for Facebook business interests.

Now, I remember talking about Zuckerberg's suspicious trip to Russia a few years ago. He went there to help companies like VK (One of Europe's biggest social media sites) "enhance" their services. If you seen VK, it is very much like Facebook now. Almost the same layout which begs the question, why has Facebook allowed this? And if VK, which has been accused of being used by the Kremlin to track people, now has the ability to steal information from users back in Europe, would they have used that data to spread misinformation in Eastern European countries?

How did Facebook benefited from helping VK and meeting with the Kremlin?

Here is his visit to a popular Russian late night show, where he clearly says he was there to help some Russian social sites (VK) become more "efficient" and Facebook like.

The good Russians never stood a chance... and who knows what Suckerberg and Facebook have done in with data

I hope Zuckerberg ends up in jail.

I am so glad I deleted my fb, ugh Zuch is such a nasty POS.

So what can we expect from the upcoming Inspector General's report?

So the Trump presidency is the result of a perfect storm, a fusion of Breitbart, Cambridge Analytica and Facebook. The Wall, the anti immigrant stance, the use of phrases like "deep state" "drain the swamp" the mining of data that uncovered vast swaths of alienated young people "with a conservative bent" the testing of Putin...he tested positive in focus groups... apparently there are a lot of young people and other people who love a strong authoritarian figure, so it's image and perception rather than what Putin has done. His ruthlessness and greed apparently aren't important. What a shit mess. Essentially we've turned the country over to a maniac, based on the preferences of a minority with tiki torches.

The next Italian prime minister is probably going to be a 31 year old college dropout who just happens to be a Putin fanboy.

Oh, look! Apparently, the now suspended CEO of Cambridge Analytica is buddy-buddy with Russian Ambassdor Yakavenko (who Robert Mueller indicted already for Russian interference in our election).

And Cambridge Analytica has connections to Blackwater founder, Erik Prince.

All the puzzle pieces are starting to come together.

I always knew Facebook was evil.

Good thread title. Yep, a porn star may forever lead to the great exposing of the sins of Facebook, CA, Pooty, Cadet Bone Spurs, Fox News & Murdoch, a corrupted Congress, etc.

Whoever started the Kelly Ann pussy thread is a genius. Got the dl ball rolling.

So I guess they wanted to construct a more positive image of Putin, but then they test marketed him and discovered that among the alienated and grievance oriented ignorant demographic, particularly the young Meth heads, Putin was cool, so no problem. Putin was always part of this equation, and his operation worked closely with the CA/ Breitbart/Mercers/Jared/ Facebook Trump Campaign. In fact it's my surmise that Trump brought the Russians to the table to merge them with the Bannon/CA/Mercers.

Re Alan Dershowitz and Cheeto’s tweets this morning

The heady appeal of the jackbooted authoritarian. It’s not even a new phenomenon. Sad @AlanDersh would throw away his reputation for a banal dotard puppet, the creation of a Russian megalomaniac, a gin-blossomed white nationalist & some avaricious British effetes at Cambridge Analytica. Sad. Ish

It's interesting how certain publications emerge during a crisis. I remember during Watergate (yes I am OLD) the Washington Post was the absolute Go To source of information. In our house, and I was only 11-12 at the time, everyone hated Nixon. Now I still have absolute confidence in the Post but I am rediscovering just how good Mother Jones is, and Atlantic Magazine is turning out some fantastic good stuff on a regular basis. That's the traditional print media. New Yorker comes through too. But the online stuff like Raw Story, Think Progress, Daily Kos, Daily beast, Politico, and a few others are stepping up too. On TV first there's Rachel Maddow, then there's everyone else, and mostly on MSNBC. Once in a while ABC will get a scoop, but it's mostly MSNBC & NBC. I really like the panelists they have on to discuss things. As much as I love Jake Tapper I cannot watch him attempt to discuss issues with Nina Turner. She is repulsive to me and she seems like a regular lately. Ugh.

So this Sunday night is when Stormy Daniels airs on '60 Minutes.' Also this weekend is the March on DC against the NRA. Trump HAS to do something to take the media's attention off Stormy Daniels. Will the march be enough? If not, what will Trump do late Sunday afternoon to take the focus off Stormy Daniels?

At the very least the Monday 4am tweets should be epic.

R17 you’re giving the media WAY too much credit. Sure they’re breathlessly reporting every scoop and scandal by the hour all a’titter with barely disguised glee. “Slow news day, huh (hahaha).. And it’s only 5pm (hahaha).” But where the fuck were they in 2016 when they were supposed to be vetting this Mofo instead of acting like his stenographer and playing the “both sides” charade? #TheyHadOneJob

R17 here. I completely agree with you, R20. They went for $$$ instead of doing their jobs, aided by Giuliani's whispers about the imminent indictment of HRC. and James Comey's unprofessional public pronouncements. It had to be really upsetting and demoralizing for the actual working journalists who were getting threatened and abused on a daily basis by Trump and his minions.But it seems to me that the media (probably still motivated by profits to a large degree) especially the working journalists who got pissed on by Trump and his people,are having their day. And the guys in the suits are very sensitive to ratings. They are finally getting the fact that the American people are largely demanding they cover this shitmess the way it deserves to be covered.

I also want to say that David Korn from Mother Jones, and the features I've read in The Atlantic and the New Yorker are solid investigative pieces. Investigative journalism takes a lot of effort and research so they working and more important, they are being allowed to work stories in a way they were not allowed to in 2016.

From R8's link:

The year before Trump announced his presidential bid, the data firm already had found a high level of alienation among young, white Americans with a conservative bent.

In focus groups arranged to test messages for the 2014 midterms, these voters responded to calls for building a new wall to block the entry of illegal immigrants, to reforms intended the “drain the swamp” of Washington’s entrenched political community and to thinly veiled forms of racism toward African Americans called “race realism."

Cambridge Analytica would have been a good subject for investigative journalism back in 2016. Just sayin

But you’re right about a lot of what you say about the working journalists who weren’t making the big editorial decisions

R24 really exposes that the emperor really has no clothes, doesn’t it? . It’s like he was created in a lab by a evil cabal of avaricious and venal white men

Kudos to Lt. Col. Ralph Peters!

the connection between. R23’s quote and FOX news is obvious. It’s really frustrating how these evil cunts get away with it but they do wide swaths of white morons in this country

By the way, are Fox’s advertisers really ok with racism this blatant?

Grassley condemning Trump for congratulating Putin who he calls a criminal. "I wouldn't talk to a criminal" on CNN now..

R28 What's SAD! is that Dump isn't fuming over the bipartisan criticism over congratulating Putie; he's pissed because one of his "best people" leaked it that he made that phone call.

[quote]Grassley condemning Trump for congratulating Putin who he calls a criminal

Thank you for your newfound commitment to democratic principles, gurl

[quote]apparently there are a lot of young people and other people who love a strong authoritarian figure, so it's image and perception rather than what Putin has done

Yep.

If there is one thing I remember about 2011-2014 reddit is that there were images of shirtless Putin on his horse fucking EVERYWHERE. Reddit is filled with young straight white men, and everybody knows young men are insecure and straight men loooove machismo. Said posts ALWAYS had comments jerking off about how manly that picture is and how manly Putin is.

Thinking back, that was Russians pushing those pics and probably planting the first comments and upvoting them. Cause with reddit the algorithm makes it so if you post comments and upvote early, you can pretty much have the thread be whatever you want it to be and push it to the front page with ease.

Pretty chilling how smart Putin is to have done this over so long, without anybody wondering what the fuck is up, and to such a degree of effectiveness.

Since DC is shut down because of the winter storm/Stormy Daniels, Dump's schedule is wide open!

R31, I agree, Putin is smart, but not that damned smart. it's basically the principles applied to doing market research, and marketing and advertising practices taken to a higher level and using technology to give it that "steroid" boost. And observing and analyzing the way American professionals plan and conduct political campaigns. This was bound to happen at some point. We were supposed to be smarter. We should have anticipated it. Insulating ourselves against cyber attacks isn't enough. All the "dark money" flooding into our political system since Citizens United decision by SCOTUS, and the laxity in terms of foreign involvement in our political campaigns or in lobbying our government. The rules and the restraints we needed were absent. So was the education of American voters. We assumed most people would "get it." Putin and Russia are the enemy. Instead we have a bunch of assholes thinking he's cool.

[quote]Dump's schedule is wide open!

Get ready for a lot of Fox News-inspired tweets.

So is there any truth to the fact that Cambridge Analytica's lawyer is a member of Rudy Giuliani's law firm???????

Expecting CNN to do investigative reporting is a bridge too far. They are too busy lining up Trump shills for their silly debates moderated by wet-behind-the-ears bimbos and not-ready-for-prime-time nerds.

R31

Close but I think the situation is more accurately characterized as a long-con by the GOP going back a lot further, starting with the Southern Strategy, elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, right wing AM radio, Fox News Etc. White people have been primed for decades to be diasaffected and to scapegoat immigrants and POC by the very people who closed their factories and moved thier jobs overseas or to MX. They’ve also been taught to mistrust the value of education by the same people who destroyed their schools.

Putin was just smart enough to recognize this and to get in bed with the GOP for his own self interest.

Bottom line is Republicans over the 40 years have destroyed this country, purposefully, in their unquenchable thirst for $ and power. Now they’ve hooked up with a Russian psychopath to further thier goals. They don’t care about Americans or the Big Lie that is the United States of America

[quote]emperor really has no clothes, doesn’t it? . It’s like he was created in a lab by a evil cabal of avaricious and venal white men

And there's the real problem. Trump is their prototype, their proof of concept, that demonstrated it works. Be very afraid of the person they select next.

R38 true but trump’s a cult leader. Rare. We’re just lucky he’s a dotard.

[quote]So the Trump presidency is the result of a perfect storm, a fusion of Breitbart, Cambridge Analytica and Facebook.

That and Hillary Clinton being an unlikeable candidate who lost the Democratic nomination to a black man with a Muslim name in 2008. The White House was supposed to be "inevitable" for her ten years ago, too. Face reality: people just don't like Hillary.

[quote]But where the fuck were they in 2016 when they were supposed to be vetting this Mofo instead of acting like his stenographer and playing the “both sides” charade?

They were very busy covering Republican Trump/Clan rallies, felatting independent Bernie Sanders, excoriating the DNC and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and being very, very concerned about Her emails.

R38 True. They'll probably select one that controls his anger and isn't a narcissistic dumbass next time.

R39 If his cult members don't kill themselves they'll move onto the next person they select because they'll work hard on giving him slogans and racism too.

I guess we can take some small measure of comfort knowing that the only way the GOP wins is by cheating. Cheating through companies that use spying and blackmail. Cheating through manipulating voters with lies through social media. Cheating through cyber attacks from a hostile foreign power. Cheating through gerrymandering. Cheating though conservative media.

It's actually pretty staggering just how far they have to go, how much they have to cheat, in order to win an election.

Zuckerberg is curled up in a ball somewhere wondering how it all went wrong.

Or huddled with the Chinese looking for a better deal.

It took me a moment to realise what the picture in the OP was meant to represent.

Rose at R45, it’s so nice of you to join us!

Lt. Col. Ralph Peters broadside @ R26 has almost the weight and vehemence of former CIA head John Brennan's recent denunciation. Heartening that such men are now speaking out with incisive force.

Just read that Brennan has said 'Russia may have something on Trump', but I'm not a NYT subscriber so don't know more. Seems it's breaking.

R47: It is so obvious that Trump is compromised. BTW: The FBI thay he hates so much just stopped the terrorist bomber in Austin. WTF has he done so far?

*that

[quote]Just read that Brennan has said 'Russia may have something on Trump

Ya think, Mr Brennan? I did a mock up of The Manchurian Candidate poster using dotard, Putin and Manafort back in August 2016. And I’m not even in the CIA

Yawn Isn't that what the Steele dossier said a year ago. Pee Pee tape is probably a small part of what they have on him, knowing trump it's gotta be grifting and money laundering

What a witless thread title. FAIL. Much better options were suggested.

[quote]Dump's schedule is wide open!

Pics please.

Wait a minute. Never mind.

Not sure anyone with Brennan's standing has said it, giving it yet more weight, and dismissing the growing attempts to discredit Mueller. To cite DL, 'There, I said it.' Inviting many many more to do the same.

Every voice with a solid reputation - not too hard to find outside Trump culture - helps both to underline what seems all too insultingly obvious, and to counter desperate lying distraction tactics.

Now we know why it was so urgent to hollow out the State Department.

Look for a new crop of Soviet-aligned developing countries whose nondemocratic, authoritarian thug leaders owe their power and fortune to Putin.

All with no effort by America to support their peoples' efforts to develop democratic institutions and traditions.

R55 nails it.

R40, I supported and voted for Hillary but I don’t like her one bit.

More on the new data company that the Mercers, Cambridge Analytica’s Nix and an Erik Prince employee.

Christ lady, bangs were invented for a reason!

R51 Trump cultists get irate and embarrassed over the possibility of a pee tape. That's why people keep bringing it up.

They don't give a shit about money laundering. Many of them probably don't even know what that is.

Military-associated figures such as Brennan and Peters speaking out is commendable; so are the recent comments from McCain who is terminally ill.

But the rest of the House and Senate Republicans are so disgusting. Those wishy-washy statements about protecting Mueller are so lame. The so-called condemning statements of Trump congratulating Putin are measuredly quite weak. Enough of Miss Lindz's meatless statements, void of sufficient disdain, and blasted all over the media. She ain't critiquing the menz at the bass tournament from last weekend. Do something beyond meekly talk on the fence. She pursued attacking the FBI and DOJ over FISA and diversions aimed at HRC, again and again.

McTurtle, whose beard is in Trump's cabinet, with his turkey snoods flapping, refuses to show any overt distaste for Trump's action. Ryan shows no shame and has has approved the shananigans of Nunes and company. Other than Jeff Flake who is leaving, none of them are showing backbone.

Many of the dems are a little too muted as well. Are they afraid to be called names in Trump's tweets?

Congress has plenty of evidence to address this mess. They have a 'checks and balances' role, regardless of party, to do their jobs beyond sucking-up to major donors.

Also it forces them to defend watersports which most people are embarrassed about and are willing to laugh at over.

Kinda like how the diaper boy at Kent State ruined their conservative youth organization because people inside were embarrassed and people online kept laughing at them.

A guy like Putin doesn't go in bed with the GOP. He does what in the business world is called a hostile takeover. Bribe and blackmail isn't doing simple business with someone, it's about owning someone and that someone better does his owner's bidding.

Fuck you, Boris at R40 (and BernieBro at R55 for that matter), Hillary was an excellent candidate. She beat Bernie by 4 million and Trump by 3 million.

Yeah, always trying the "Hillary wasn't, and never will be, popular" angle. Like, they willingly ignore her winning the popular vote in 2016. Like that doesn't make her look popular enough.

ITA agree with r63 & r64

I never contributed as much to a candidate as I did HRC.

People were stoked.

But the massive right wing conspiracy folks struck again. This time it was an act of war.

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State Department's Global Engagement Center has Cambridge Analytica on a contract. The GEC is the government to office charged with fighting disinformation.

[quote]State Department's Global Engagement Center has Cambridge Analytica on a contract. The GEC is the government to office charged with fighting disinformation.

How typical. Exploit and destroy the very thing the department is supposed to protect.

Better living through "smarts," energy, and chemistry.

[quote]I called President Putin of Russia to congratulate him on his election victory (in past, Obama called him also). The Fake News Media is crazed because they wanted me to excoriate him. They are wrong! Getting along with Russia (and others) is a good thing, not a bad thing.......

[quote].....They can help solve problems with North Korea, Syria, Ukraine, ISIS, Iran and even the coming Arms Race. Bush tried to get along, but didn’t have the “smarts.” Obama and Clinton tried, but didn’t have the energy or chemistry (remember RESET). PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!

And now we get to the root of it - greed and racism.

Didn’t Putin also call Obama the n-word?

IOW, it's fucking butt hurt neckbeards and other assorted WHITE douchebros that have no lives what caused this mess.

White men are pathetic. Grow the fuck up, get with the program and stop sniveling about how everyone else is to blame for YOUR FUCKING MISERABLE EXISTENCE!!

I am so tired of these coddled fools trying to force this country back into the 1700's. Not. Happening.

Has anyone noticed that the MSM is dropping the ball again in regards to Cambridge Analytica ? They need to be driving the point that Bannon was vp, and Kusher and Parscale bragged about their relationship with them, that Mercer funds it, and that they were washing data through the Russians. All the talk about Facebook, etc.....they need to be making the direct connection between Trump, his team, and CA.

Do the deplorables find watersports more embarrassing than the trafficking of underage girls and boys from Eastern Europe? I would bet every dime I have that Trump has been involved in human trafficking for a long, long time.

As troublesome as "W" was with the Iraq War fiasco and the bubble crash in the economy; and Obama perhaps was a bit too indecisive in certain situations; neither conspired with Russia and committed what appears to be treasonous acts; nor had the federal government in prolonged disarray, with scandal after scandal, day after day .

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[quote]That and Hillary Clinton being an unlikeable candidate who lost the Democratic nomination to a black man with a Muslim name in 2008. The White House was supposed to be "inevitable" for her ten years ago, too. Face reality: people just don't like Hillary.

Bet you don't even realize that Cambridge Analytica provided you with that talking point, Georg.

But do keep fucking that chicken.

LOL at dumbass troll R40. Hillary Clinton was so unlikable that she got 3 million more votes than Trump?

Do you trash even test-drive your stupidity before putting it down on paper?

[quote]Bet you don't even realize that Cambridge Analytica provided you with that talking point

Bingo.

Not to rehash the whole Hillary thing, but what I noticed during the election is that my friends who had social media accounts (Facebook, Twitter, etc.) had this depressed feeling about Hillary. They were going to vote for her, but thought she was a terrible candidate. Those of us who weren't on Facebook or anything were much more enthused.

I also think that the whole social media-ization of America has led to our rejection of ideas that can't be communicated in a meme. Hillary spoke in complete sentences and expressed complex thoughts. Trump shouted easily-digestible slogans. People don't want to read a five thousand word piece in the NY Times. They want a headline that tells them how to feel.

R74 if this is true, it is a demonstration of how completely amateur and ignorant Jared is and Trump for acting on this. They are beyond stupid to do the bidding of a foreign country. All they care about is their own personal agenda. They are greedy bastards who don't deserve to be called Americans. They have to go.

Sen. Corker is claiming the GOP Congress is timid about protecting Mueller because they a re afraid of Trump's popularity with their base. I call bullshit. Who among them really believes they will be able to survive the midterms? Fine. Let Trump be Trump. Let him crap all over the TV sets. It sure helped them win in Virginia. Alabama. PA.

Paul Ryan just may survive the Midterm slaughter. But he will not be Speaker. Right now they want Trump to be more Presidential. Meet with North Korea. Talk about the Wall, and the "illegal immigrants" & highlight the tax bill. T

They're going to try to pass a Spending Bill that will blow up the deficit even further. Right now. This is a bribe for their constituents. And what they will not tell their constituents is that they will definitely cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as soon as they're re elected.

[quote] Sen. Corker is claiming the GOP Congress is timid about protecting Mueller because they a re afraid of Trump's popularity with their base.

Please, this isn't about being afraid of some minority hate group. It's about being afraid how far Mueller's investigation goes and their own crimes being uncovered.

[quote] And what they will not tell their constituents is that they will definitely cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid as soon as they're re elected.

In all likelihood, they won't --thankfully -- get that chance to make those cuts because their Reign of Error should be ended by the voters in November. Yes, a lot can happen in seven months, and we should work like hell between now and then to make sure the Dems prevail. But, I'd be willing wager that these clowns are in for a very rude awakening on the morning after Election Day.

And, I love Nancy Pelosi, but no one had better be making any ridiculously stupid statements about "impeachment being off the table" this time around. This is not 2007, and the Orange Dotard is not Bu$h -- as bad as he was. The current situation represents the dire conditions that the Founders reserved for the use of the impeachment clause of the Constitution.

Actually, I think Corker has a point. We can say it’s only 30% of the country, but that 30% is more than 50% of the GOP. If they lose that 30%, they’ll get primaried.

Blocked the OP on another thread so had to search for the latest edition on this, my new favorite topic. First World problems, eh?

[quote]Blocked the OP on another thread so had to search for the latest edition on this, my new favorite topic. First World problems, eh?

That was desperate. ha.

Maybe they're counting in pooty and company to come thru for them again in the midterms?

Because that's the only way they will prevail.

Or maybe they're hoping they get the boot so the GOP that is left after the bloodbath can say they didn't have anything to do with the dotard impeachment.

Seems to me that these idiots don't do anything but play to their shrinking base.

DL is now the closest thing I get to "social media". I can always spot the bots or the programmed posts. It has been so frustrating to watch normally smart people I know being brainwashed with the Talking Points being fed to them on facebook and twitter. I couldn't take the noise of any of it, so I escaped the deluge, luckily. None of this data nonsense surprises me, though.

I hate people who have to announce they've blocked. So I block the people who announce they block! BLOCKED!!!

I think the trolls are getting a little craftier though. I've noticed a few of them who actually take the time to participate like "regular' posters and then over the course of a few posts they subtly start trolling by posting Rethug talking points, etc.

You can still generally tell by their history though. It'll only have a few posts in just the current thread.

Like in the last thread where the one troll tried to argue that they didn't clear their cookies and obviously did... and when got called out. POOF! Gone.

I was out and Fox news was playing on one of the TVs. Some blonde chick was going off on how both parties are so "offended," by Orange congratulating his Master and how it was ridiculous and showed how stupid people were... and how the "mainstream media," keeps trying to create a false story.

I mean, there's obviously a lot wrong with what she was saying, everything, basically... but why does Fox refer to all other news sources as "Main Stream Media.." Aren't THEY also the MSM???

Yeah, I know why they do it. But still.

I love, OP. OP has created some of my favorite threads. R82 you must be sensitive to the touch!

Well, yes, r87, there are exceptions, of course. The experience of watching a pushed narrative or "meme" take over the narrative is alarming, as no amount of counter information seemed to help.

Smart people can be duped and manipulated like everybody else. I know, what I would consider, a very smart person (atheist) and after his mother died he was grieving and the mother was a big church nut so her church friends came over and, in his grieving state, dragged him into their fold. Same goes for smart, and rich, men falling for gold diggers and crazy, but good looking, harpies. Smart people have their weaknesses like everybody else it's just takes a con man to figure out which buttons at what time to push.

[quote]it's just takes a con man to figure out which buttons at what time to push.

You called?

I saw on one of the photos from Putin's election "campaign' the slogan, Strong President, Strong Russia. Typical autocratic stuff.

Cheeto's delusion about "chemistry with Putin" would be just pathetic if it wasn't so dangerous. He can't get the simple Russian calculation that "strong Russia" for Putin means: puppet Trump, weak America, weak Europe.

GREAT post, R77: I totally agree.

It's not propaganda to say that Hillary was a polarizing figure. She always has been. Because she is a Clinton and because she's a woman. That's why she lost the primary to Obama even though she had loads more experience and was running on practically an identical platform.

That said, somehow polarizing became distorted into "she's a terrible candidate that nobody likes", "she's a criminal", "she's a warmonger" and "she's a DINO."

The Russia-Trump connection has, as posters above and on the previous thread said, been noticed for a long time; it's only now that the dots are being more clearly connected. For example, this article was from before the election (and I'd been reading similar reporting since that spring).

R96: there's speculation on the Twitter machine that the Trump Tower and Alfa Bank servers were syncing Cambridge Analytica databases between the US and Russia.

The 1%, virtually to a person and because of the nature of their holdings, are not "patriots," not nationalists. They are "globalists," but again, not in any sense of "loyalty," for they pillage, plunder, and destroy the globe and its denizens without compunction and at times with glee.

No, they are globalists in the sense of going anywhere, including the Internet, to make a buck or 100 million. So if that includes canoodling with the enemies of a place called "the United States of America," even to the extent that the sucker 99% might dare call it "treason," they will so canoodle, collude, conspire, launder, slander, perjure, propagandize, lie, cheat, and steal---even murder---because money means everything to them.

Everything. Ugly wealthy men know it rules this plane of existence, and they don't worry about another.

[quote]Also it forces them to defend watersports which most people are embarrassed

If the reports are correct, the hookers were not showering trump (water sports), but rather defiling the bed upon which the obamas slept. the shithead's sick "revenge" and racism. if that's what it show's his base will go "hell yeah, piss on the n*****

BTW, if you haven’t done it yet, read the article linked at r8. It's stunning.

The Pee Pee Tapes were always summarized as being Hookers peeing on the bed Obama slept in. I never understood why anyone thought this would be anything that would upset his base. I only ever thought they'd cheer it on.

Whatever they have on him isn't the Pee Pee tapes.... I can't even imagine how dark whatever it is could be.

[quote]People don't want to read a five thousand word piece in the NY Times. They want a headline that tells them how to feel.

Goes for both, Trumpets and BernorBusters.

The alt right and far left are easily brainwashed. R40 still doesn't recognize he's been duped.

[quote]The Pee Pee Tapes were always summarized as being Hookers peeing on the bed Obama slept in. I never understood why anyone thought this would be anything that would upset his base

Because deplorables don't read source materials. They don't read, period. They are awash in propaganda, aka Cheeto's tweets and FauxNews, which twisted and distorted the initial information so that they can then claim it's false and discredited.

I don't know if this was talked about in the last thread but I was listening to some pundits talk about Drumpf congratulating his Puppeteer on his, "win..." and how it went against everything the index cards told him to do/not to do.

They said that there are only a handful of people who would have known what was on those cards and the fact that they leaked it means they are either really pissed off or really terrified of what Drumpf is going to do next.

C'mon, Putin worked really hard for his win!

[quote]Has anyone noticed that the MSM is dropping the ball again in regards to Cambridge Analytica ? They need to be driving the point that Bannon was vp, and Kusher and Parscale bragged about their relationship with them, that Mercer funds it, and that they were washing data through the Russians. All the talk about Facebook, etc.....they need to be making the direct connection between Trump, his team, and CA.

This is why this whole fiasco can and probably will happen again. The masses aren't being educated on what the fuck is happening, what led to it, how they are affected by it, and what it being done to stop it. That will led to ignorance and then the public won't urge congress to make regulations preventing it since it is not in republicans' best interest to stop their flow of money.

Of course news that isn't Fox is mostly just wanting ratings (with Fox wanting to keep their viewers unaware of what's happening). It's why they'll talk about something that happened with very little context, and then it's out of the news cycle within 2-3 days in favor of something new. And of course that something new is related but in a probably complicated way that, again, needs tons of context that they will not provide for reasons just stated.

Rachel Maddow is probably the only person who is trying to make everything make sense for the viewers by piecing everything together.

[quote] The Pee Pee Tapes were always summarized as being Hookers peeing on the bed Obama slept in. I never understood why anyone thought this would be anything that would upset his base. I only ever thought they'd cheer it on.

Nah most Trump cultists try to deflect or ignore it but it's one of the few things that's actually embarrassing to them, like a porn star getting creampied by him. Money laundering is a BOTH SIDES thing, sexual assault/rape/pedophilia is why pizzagate was invented so BOTH SIDES again, and being best friends with a dictator and having dictator/nazi qualities is just conservatives wanting a daddy figure to protect them from black people.

Jeremy Bash brought up a good point on MSNBC about an hour ago in regards to the leak. How do we know that Trump himself didn't brag to somebody about his congratulating Putin on the phone, even to go so far as to admit purposely ignoring his instructions? It's exactly something Trump would do. And either that person leaked it, or somebody else overhearing leaked it.

It would be so like Trump to loudly proclaim the leaker should be jailed without realizing it's he, himself who leaked it first.

Soooooo......apparently McCabe opened an investigation into Sessions right before he was fired. It should be noted that Mueller told Sessions lawyers that the investigation was closed. (Mueller is going to take down Sessions as well....HAHAHA)

R105 Putin worked harder for his proxy win in the U.S. on Nov. 8, 2016.

[quote]Rachel Maddow is probably the only person who is trying to make everything make sense for the viewers by piecing everything together.

To be honest, though, we don't HAVE to know about the man who invented air conditioning in Florida in 1911 and how this is related to the bank that funded the production of Russian poison.

R110, some of us enjoy hearing about the guy who invented popsicles and AC’s and how it relates to Sperbank. You either like Rachel’s style or you don’t. I happen to like her because her approach is different.

R108 Yeah, but so what? What I mean is, from everything that came out, an investigation of Sessions was necessary, if just to give him the benefit of the doubt to prove his innocence. Unlike Trump, Sessions would know and understand this. And firing McCabe doesn't end the investigation. It just moves it to the next person. I'm in no way attempting to defends Sessions. I'm just thinking strategic and with Sessions knowing that it would not be a good strategic move to have McCabe fired. R108, please pipe in whatever you suspect that I'm not considering.

[quote]Nah most Trump cultists try to deflect or ignore it but it's one of the few things that's actually embarrassing to them, like a porn star getting creampied by him. Money laundering is a BOTH SIDES thing, sexual assault/rape/pedophilia is why pizzagate was invented so BOTH SIDES again, and being best friends with a dictator and having dictator/nazi qualities is just conservatives wanting a daddy figure to protect them from black people.

Highly disagree. They don't care about Hookers peeing on each other.

You did laugh though r111, admit it 'cause it's true.

r98, sociopaths see opportunity everywhere. They take. They push things away that get in their way. They believe it's their birth right to get what they want and that others are inferior to them and, at best, good to further their own agenda.

Religion, national pride, fear, hate, envy, money, etc. they are just tools to manipulate the masses to do the 1%'s bidding.

[quote]Actually, I think Corker has a point. We can say it’s only 30% of the country, but that 30% is more than 50% of the GOP. If they lose that 30%, they’ll get primaried.

Yep. Last week's Gallup tracking poll had Trump's approval among Republicans at 82%.

John Brennan openly stated his theory that Putin has something on Trump and many of us exclaimed "Duh". But after some ruminating, I'm changing my mind and don't necessarily agree. I mean, Putin probably does, but there's just as good a chance Trump doesn't know about it or even care. From what we know of Trump, his narcissistic tendencies and his eagerness to please, he's basically just a Putin fangurl. He's made no secret of his admiration of Putin for years and I think he just clams up. To this day, he still desperately just wants to impress Putin and be exactly like him. David Cay Johnston is a Trump biographer, and he's been saying this for years, and I believe other Trump biographers, (like Tony Schwartz) would back Johnston up.

In certain ways, we still keep giving Trump more credit than he deserves when it comes to intelligence and forethought.

R110, Yes, we know the anti-history streak in Americans runs wide. The 1% relies on that.

It must hurt when you stretch, r118.

[quote]To this day, he still desperately just wants to impress Putin and be exactly like him.

While I'm sure he does admire Putin's authoritarianism, I think the primary motivating forces are his need to keep Putin from bankrupting him by squeezing his Russian money lenders, and his desire to do (more) business in Russia. It's always the money.

John Brennan was one of the first to sound the alarm about Trump and Russia. He knows. He knows what Trump did, he knows what Russia has. He isn't just causing trouble. He knows. Clapper also called Trump a puppet months ago. These guys never talk about sitting Presidents like this. They're trying to warn people.

Trump doesn't like-like or respect anyone (I believe he doesn't even like his own kids very much). Either you are useful to him or you are not. Putin is a special case, because I do believe Trump is scared of him since Putin can ruin him in more ways than one (business deals with Russia, money lending, money laundering, sex trafficking, etc.).

R121 and others, can't it be both? I think it might have just as much to do with what Putin can continue to do for him, (like throw the 2020 election).

Not enough, r117. First, Junior or Eric has explicitly noted that Trump, Inc., comprises much Russian money.

There's the Steele dossier. There's 666 Fifth Avenue. There's Ivanka's mysterious flight to Dubrovnik to meet Putin's reported gf, Wendy Murdoch. There's the Trump Tower meeting. There's Jared's attempt to establish a private "back-channel" to Putin.

There are Manafort, Page, Papadopoulous, Bannon, Sessions, ....

And there is CA and FB, and overthrowing our election.

R117 here. I think my point is this: Brennan's specific comment suggests to many people that there is one specific incident or evidence of proof, (like the pee tapes), Putin is threatening Trump with. People always like to simplify. I think there is no one specific thing, it's all of the above mentioned and combined. Trump has numerous personal reasons to not want to piss of Putin that has to do with his own self gain and preservation. It's why Mueller's investigation is taking so damn long! " Also R122 "Trump doesn't like-like or respect anyone" except those who have more power and/or money than he does.

^^sorry for all my typos. I need to update my device. Hopefully you'll all get the drift.

Fucking grifter

[quote]Trump National Golf Club in Westchester County is seeking permission to hire 14 foreign guest workers. The fancy private club is located just 35 miles from New York City and its vast labor market. The petition to the Labor department effectively attests that there are no qualified American workers who want the jobs. The cooking jobs pay $14.36 an hour. The serving jobs pay $15.20 an hour. Both jobs are eligible for overtime. Despite his focus on restoring American jobs, Trump has also maintained that it is “almost impossible” to find qualified Americans who want temporary jobs in the service industry such as those available at many of his clubs and resorts that rely on the visa program.

Are you guys watching Ari? They’ve got Credico on and it’s like hes trying to out-crazy Carter Page and Nunberg. He was literally answering questions in funny voices (Nixon, Jack Nicholson, Reagan).

Where the fuck do they get these people?

I didn't know about this guy. He says he's a Bernie Bro and big fan of Assange, compared him to the abolitionists.

Ari should inaugurate Ari's Corner of Crazy.

R124, I don’t think Wendy Deng was ever really Putin’s girlfriend. I think she was well paid to be Putin’s bagman, because she had an excuse to visit with all sorts of powerful people due to her connections.

Somebody like that can never have enough money and wants to feel important. And she has no morals whatsoever.

We will be at war, another bright shiny new war by the end of the summer.

It does not matter who that new war will be with, but we will be at war.

Hopefully, you folks do realize there's other critical news happening that deserves utmost awareness.

Heckle and Jeckle's Lost Triplet Roger Stone has enlisted Credico in some kind of hijinks.

Shits getting real.......BREAKING......Saudi Crown Prince has been boasting that he has Jared Kushner in his pocket.....and that Kushner gave him intelligence outing people who werent loyal to the Prince.

[quote]..BREAKING......Saudi - Crown Prince has been boasting that he has Jared Kushner in his pocket..

See link at R74.

And, R134, his meeting with Kushner took place right before he purged his own family in order to take control. And, there was something involving removing another country's head of state, right? This was the trip where we were all asking, "What the hell is Kushner going to Saudi Arabia for?" because it was right in the middle of one of the innumerable early scandals.

He requested intel, went there, ratted the disloyal ones out and one of them got tortured

Kushner legit needs to spend life in prison or get the death penalty

And didn't Invaka's "charity" get Saudi money after the Orb visit?

That makes a lot of sense, R137. The reporting at the time of the visit was that Trump and Kushner thought that this prince was "Trump-like," a "rebel," so they should help him out. The stupidity and vanity of these people is amazing.

Trump has been a huge Putin fan for years. he admires the strong man. but he also recognizes that Putin is the door to untold riches. When Trump was in a jam and facing bankruptcy he got financing from banks "outside the United States" . Trump is a money launderer, and he is "this close" to getting gas and oil leases from the Russians through surrogates. He is also probably facilitating enriching his Russian friends in the process.

He loves being among the oligarchs who are close to Putin . Think about it: He was flattered that Putin not only thought he ought to run for President, but decided to help him. Think about this. Putin helped Donald Trump become POTUS. And his relationship with the Russians is making him wealthier than ever. No more scary bankruptcies.

Plus being POTUS gives him limitless opportunities to make deals with the Chinese, the Saudis, and anyone else with money, power and resources. Trump is like a pig in slop. Putin doesn't have to have "something" on Trump. No one, not even Trump's biggest fans, have any expectations of him.

So what if he's a womanizer who hangs with porn stars and strippers?And he cheats?He was living his life in public like a fucking soap opera for years. You could run a video of Trump getting a blow job on CNN and none of his supporters would give a fuck.

Since he's been POTUS he had the Russians into the Oval Office and gave away sensitive Intelligence that compromised an ally of the United States. Did anyone give a fuck? The GOP Congress certainly didn't. Look at all he has done and all he has failed to do. Where is the outrage? So I'm not buying the argument that Putin has "something" on Trump. IMO, it's all about the money. R120 is right.

I was listening to the radio earlier this morning and one of the pundits commented that the Saudis are the ones that bailed out Kushner's dad? I only caught part of the conversation before having to turn it off.

^ Kushner is also drowning in debt.

[quote]And, there was something involving removing another country's head of state, right?

The prime minister of Lebanon resigned in Saudi Arabia last November. He was believed to be held hostage by Saudi Arabia. When he returned to Lebanon, he was like "Oh, that was just a joke. But I'm not going to talk about it again." and he remains prime minister to this day.

[quote]And didn't Invaka's "charity" get Saudi money after the Orb visit?

$100,000,000 was publicly committed by Saudi Arabia for a World Bank fund "inspired" by Ivanka's renowned interest in women entrepreneurs.

Wouldn't 100 million be showing some results by now?

Sarah Huckabee Sanders & WH are not pleased with South Carolina Republicans, Trey Gowdy and Lindsey Graham, about warning Trump he could spark impeachment by firing Mueller.

Another SC Republican Congressman, Mark Sanford, reported in The Hill earlier, called the Stormy Daniels allegations "deeply disturbing". He noted Republicans would act differently if a Democrat was President. This included a warning about whitewashing the President's past, and being tribal in thinking.

If DJT's WH are going after these SC Republicans, DJT is really desperate.

Well Miz Lindsay is smarter than most. Because there is no way the GOP in SC will abandon him. Period. And he will likely attract some Indies by tacking away from Trump. He knows exactly what he's doing and if Sanford is going for it too, that means they smell something no one else can smell.

Don't worry, r145. Tough-guy heterosexualist Miss Andre and his new girlfriend will whip those SC rogues into shape.

[quote]Wouldn't 100 million be showing some results by now?

Has there ever been a donation related to this grizzled gaggle of grifters that has actually been paid?

Consider yourself blocked, R86!

One thing that needs to happen is a steady stream of news stories exposing Putin his rich friends and the hellish lives of people who live under his rule. I believe Americans need to stop romanticizing that monster. Americans also need to understand how Putin stirred up shit in the MIddle East that ultimately led to Americans getting killed. As much as we hate Iran, Americans need to know Putin is behind a lot of the dirt Iran does.

I agree, r150. It's been a long time since we were reminded as to why Russia is not our friend.

Exactly r148

It's funny how Cambridge Analytica is now a household word of sorts, but I remembering reading a lengthy article forwarded to me by a pal back in Nov or Dec 2016 detailing all of Nix's and CA's shenanigans and how they likely helped throw the election. It was translated from its original German publication, the foreign authors had gone to great lengths with detailed research and reporting.

How the F did it take so long for the US MSM to catch onto all of this?

Here is the original article in German, from Das Magazin in Dec 2016:

^ Trump is too busy farting in elevators so naturally it's the duty of the news to report when he does

And an excellent English translation and analysis from Jan 2017:

Don't fart in the elevator, baby

The January 2017 thread

[quote]And didn't Invaka's "charity" get Saudi money after the Orb visit?

Yes, Ivanka's slush fund.

THis latest thing with the Saudis makes me think the Trumps a re like kids in a candy store. They a re showered with "let's make a deal" proposals. We'll give you and the kids a few hundred million, and all we want you to do is change U.S. foreign policy for us. Get rid of the Lebanese Prime minister, etc.

Please....that was a straight up payment to Trump. You know, its well documented, that any and all Trump charities/foundations are a scam. Ericks, Ivankas, and Donalds are all for their own enrichment.....they even charge their own charities for their contributions....which are minimal.

Money laundering

Jeffrey Toobin eviscerated Dershowitz tonight on Anderson 360. Called him Trump’s water boy. I thoroughly enjoyed that.

Ivanka and Jared have selling US foreign policy in the Gulf to the highest bidder. Remember Qatar? We have a US base there and were a close, moderate ally. Yet after the Trump family visit to Saudi, the RU created a pretext of Qatar harboring terrorism, and the rest of the Arab states blockaded Qatar. Even though Tillerson strongly condemned the action saying it went against US policy, Trump tweet that no, Qatar needed to be punished.

Now we are finding they simply didn't pay Jared/Ivanka what they were asked for. And were punished publically to deter anyone else from resisting shakedowns. Moreover, the Saudi Crown Prince recently arrested members of his own family until kidnapping money was paid. One of them was an investor in Trump properties, another a key shareholder at Citibank. Everyone had to pay that got out; we don't know how many died. But, the prince, in effect, ended all opposition to his reign. Rumors from the Gulf are that the Saudis paid Trump Sr. a $1 billion bribe for no intervention.

This is why Putin has kompromat, because he can it outbid by others. Money alone can't keep Trump in line.

R153 I read the same German article.

I've finally come to the same conclusion as lots of people in this thread -- I think it's video of sex with underaged girls. I can't think of anything worse in the public consciousness. Even if Trump killed someone, his base would stick with him. But a video with a 14 year old -- its curtains. Curtains, I tell you

"I can't think of anything worse"

Two Things worse:

1) the girls are dead

2) it's boys instead of girls

Quote your sources, R167.

R166, I don't think that's enough to do him in. Remember Moore of Alabama, he still had a lot of votes.

With Moore there was no hard proof that he'd had sex with underage girls. He'd certainly behaved inappropriately, but without evidence his supporters were able to deny or dismiss the accusations.

There was an overwhelming amount of evidence against Roy Moore, R170.

And yet a huge number of people still voted for him.

I can hear the defenders now:

"Oh, she just looks young!"

"Looks 18 to me!"

"Oh, you can't tell age by just looking at someone!"

And, last but not least, a Trump oldie but goodie...

"Show me the birth certificate!"

They'd just say she was asking for it, and she should have carried the baby to term.

Hey, I’ll ask this on the Cambridge Analytica thread too, but weren’t they connected to Revolution Messenging? It’s like people are forgetting details because things are happening so quickly.

[quote]There was an overwhelming amount of evidence against Roy Moore

Nothing like photos or video. Nothing that they couldn't explain away as Moore's word against theirs.

Why is Kellyanne Conway getting a pass in all of this? As far as I know, she has not been interviewed by Mueller's team. She was Trump's campaign manager. You'd think Trump's campaign manager would have been interviewed by now.

I believe Kellyanne was just the front and somebody else really ran the show behind the scenes.

That's plausible, R177.

^Leaker? Mercers? No verified scrutiny in this mess? Investigation Coop?

Something weird going on there.

You know that Kellyanne was the first one to request an interview with Mueller.

As vile as that woman is, she is not dumb, she doesn’t like Trump, and I’m sure she prefers to spend holidays with her family instead of going to jail.

I think Kellyanne is the mouthpiece for far more sinister people. Ever notice that most companies send out a woman to speak for them when they are in trouble? KAC is cooking spray on teflon.

R181, what are you talking about? They picked me because of my many qualifications!

Watch Kellyanne ultimately be the one to trample the house of cards that is tRump. Can you imagine her ultimately coming out a hero in all of this mess. Perfect television!

^^^^Alternative Facts

Kellyanne, Sarah, & Miller

Plus Jared & Ivanka.

OK, some others, including an Andy or two.

Wow, Kelly's working group.

Kelly, this ain't the military brass you were use to. Going from deploying brigades to having to manage pussygate scandals and showing luv for Pooty can't be uplifting.

Kellyanne is bosom buddies with Rebekah Mercer. Unless Rebekah slighted her in some serious way (fucked Kellyanne's husband, took her favorite Gucci Bag, etc.) I don't think she would go after the Mercers and CA. Kellyanne is too status obsessed to go against her peers (again, unless her peers humiliated her in some way).

Vladimir Putin is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

Also, using illegal chemical weapons in our ally's homeland is only a bad thing if it’s a brown people country that does it. Also, I have huge hands!

Congress is going on a two week recess and some are worried that Trump will take this opportunity to fire Mueller.

I will not commend the FBI for taking down the Austin serial bomber. He was a misunderstood conservative genius that did not commit domestic terrorism! Also, congratulations again to my tremendous friend, Vladimir!

Another recess r189? Didn't they just come back from one?

Geez, they barely do any work when they are there; and they take more vacations than any other profession in the world.

Congress: Nice work if you can get it.

And R189, Trump could also take advantage of a Congressional recess to make a recess appointment of Mike Pompeo as Secretary of State. Rand Paul has stated that he will not vote to confirm Pompeo as SoS, so he may not have the 50 votes needed for Senate confirmation. A recess appointment bypasses the requirement of Senate confirmation.

I hate that ugly "cheekbones" face-carving Photo-shopping exemplified in the photo at r147.

[quote]Two Things worse: 1) the girls are dead

Nope. Not to his base. They wouldn't care if they were dead. He was absolutely right when he said that he could shoot someone in the middle of the street and his followers would cheer.

Re: Congress. They’re out fundraising, that’s all they do. Our system is so fucked

If there were video of Trump getting a blow job from an underaged boy.....it wouldn't matter. Half his base wouldn't see a problem with that.

With Zuckerberg's involvement with CA and now his ties with Russia has come up... and it got me thinking...

Does anyone remember not too long ago he was talking about making a political run... for President?

So... what sort of deal was that shady, traitorous motherfucker making?

[quote]Kellyanne is bosom buddies with Rebekah Mercer. Unless Rebekah slighted her in some serious way (fucked Kellyanne's husband, took her favorite Gucci Bag, etc.)

I don't think kellyanne would care if Rebekah fucked her husband. Have you seen the husband?

Of course his "base" won't care what he does. The evangelicals didn't vote for him because he is a good guy. They voted for him because he is a conduit to their evil agenda of No Abortion, No Immigrants, No Gay Marriage, and Lots of Conservative Judges to Punish the People They Hate.

The rest of the base enjoys the fact that he is chaotic and speaks in buzz phrases/like a spoiled toddler crashing from a pixie stick OD.

R166, I don't believe for a second that Trump's supporters would have a problem with that. Wasn't there a pastor who publicly defended Roy Moore because God impregnated Mary when she was in her early teens?

WATCH: John Bolton praises ‘new era of freedom’ under Putin in bizarre propaganda video for Russian gun group.

Ready to go Donny2scoops ?........

Trumps lawyer....John Dowd....just resigned.

Interesting....it wouldnt take the name ^^^^^^^^

The John Bolton video is all Trump will need. Pro-Putin, pro-guns, a man proud of lying about WMD in Iraq. Plus, it's pictures not words. No other candidates surely need trouble themselves.

Trump attorney can't rein him in, resigns.

my god that man looks just like a pig

Republican Rick Wilson:

Of course, he’s going to fire Mueller.

Of course, it’s going to trigger a constitutional crisis.

Of course, Republicans will do nothing.

Every single day, Tyrannosaurus Don tests the limits of his enclosure. Every day, he pushes against the walls, looking for weak spots and for places where the electric fence isn’t working. Outside, the zookeepers in this Jurassic political park toss a cow carcass over the wall, praise their big boy dino, and marvel how large his fingers look. They smile and congratulate themselves that they’ve appeased the monster for another day, managing its violent, ravenous urges.

McTurtle & Crime Ryan are beyond any show of political decency.

Impeachment will not even be allowed to come to a vote. The Republicans keep claiming they want to protect Mueller but refuse to vote to do anything to protect Mueller. When Trump fires Mueller, they’ll claim it’s a done deal and too late to do anything.

Who are these idiots who keep voting for these people?

Look, now is not the time to discuss this. The White House is concentrating on the mental health of Democrats and why they vote the way they do. We will not on enable them by enacting their policies. We are focusing on and correcting the misdeeds they committed when they passed all those fake laws to protect the environment, the consumer, and people who are not heterosexual or white. Our thoughts and prayers are with the liberals but now is not the time to obstruct the reign of our glorious President and his international support, Mr. Putin, another strong leader. Soon we will be arresting Mueller and his team and locking them up and rehabilitating them to ensure our vision is protected and our country is safe from extremism. We will now pass the collection plate as it your duty as reporters to contribute to our savior's re-election campaign scheduled for 2028 because the next two election cycles have been postponed. All hail the chief!

Trump's "strategy" is pretty transparent. I suspect his buddy Rudy and a few others helped him with it. I also believe that bringing in that asshole De Genova or WTF his name is with his cockeyed conspiracy theories, etc is what sent the other lawyer packing.

They are casting this as purely political, not even concerning themselves with the legal implications or the legal issues. From a political stand point, Trump has to "act " presidential,say and do whatever it takes to keep his base happy, and portray himself as a victim of a political conspiracy, Period.

They view impeachment as purely political and buy in to the concept that the President while he is President, cannot be charged with crimes unless he is impeached. So their task is to buy time by probably firing Mueller and stalling the investigation. So no Impeachment.

The GOP Congress will avoid impeaching him if he fires Mueller for the same reasons they claim they can't do anything now bcz they're afraid of the GOP Base because Trump owns them. The other part of that is his advisors saying, "You can't get impeached so if anyone else gets charged or convicted, you can just pardon them." That's it. That;s the strategy. Fire Mueller, avoid impeachment and pass out pardons.

OK. Who's first? Who among us is smart enough to blow holes in this strategy?

Perhaps this been mentioned, but I don't think firing Mueller is the strategy. It wouldn't end the investigation anyway, and I'm sure Mueller expects to be fired and a contingency plan has been in effect for months.

The plan is to discredit Mueller and the FBI altogether, and thus end the Council altogether. Firing McCabe was the first step. The actual "legitimate" reason hasn't been revealed yet, but you can bet it's slim at best but they will attempt to frame and spin it to look like McCabe is a liar as is everybody else. Thus no FBI appointed to the investigation can be trusted. Trump's new lawyer spins conspiracy theories. The plan is to convince enough people this is all a grand scheme devised by Hillary Clinton and the Democrats to stop Trump's Presidency. As absurd and ridiculous as this is, it's exactly what is being pushed on Fox News. Watch just two minutes of Hannity if you can stand it.

Can they get away with it? Of course not! Just like Trump could never be elected President!! [html removed] I'm afraid we really are living in an alternate universe right now.

The irony of all this is that they are not fooling anyone but for the deplorable minority who willfully choose to be fooled, and the evil rich who aim to profit from this entire mess at the expense of our country. I am so done with this disgusting debacle of an illegitimate presidential charade and the every emerging eruption of breaking news and scandals, so numerous you can't remember the scandal that happened an hour ago. These people have to go. I'm waiting for Mueller's turn to release the long list of crimes committed by trump & company and see them all marched off to prison.

I heard trump referred to yesterday as an agent of Russia he is in so deep with Putin. It fits. Russian Agent Trump. RAT!

One thing is certain. Trump and his family will be pariahs for the rest of their lives. They may as well live abroad because they will be cast into the shitpile if they stay here.

The only way Trump and his spawn will go away is if they are imprisoned for life or executed for Treason.......anything short of that and we will be subjected to his bloviating until he dies.

Aaaaaand, Ill just leave this here.......

Facebook knew about the data breach by Kogan in 2015 when @harryfoxdavies reported. Said they’d investigate. But they *hired* Kogan’s partner at GSR, parent of #CambridgeAnalytica - as a senior Facebook executive.

Mark Zuckerberg hired the man who stole our data.

[quote] One thing is certain. Trump and his family will be pariahs for the rest of their lives. They may as well live abroad because they will be cast into the shitpile if they stay here.

Maybe that explains his visit to North Korea.

His campaign treasurer is his mother, r217?

Lawyers from four top law firms turned Trump down on his offers to them to be on his defense team on the Mueller Russia probe. Gee, I wonder why?

I bet he has child porn on his computer. He looks like the type.

[R214]

Trump is a Russian asset. Someone paid off/blackmailed by the Kremlin to further it's own ends.

McMaster's out. Bolton's replacing him. FUCK

McMaster out, Bolton in? We are so screwed now. We’ll be at war within months now.

Wow. Rachel’s Board of Departures is gonna be busy tonight.

This is not good....seriously.

R224, you beat MSNBC and Ari Melber to the punch

The queeny whistleblower is giving Ari an interview now.

John Bolton? Really? Trump himself said Bush II was a failed president in part because of the Iraq War, so Trump brings in one of his henchmen. Of course Bolton's another big fat fucking liar, so I'm sure they get along well.

So he's completely abandoned even the pretense of draining the swamp, right?

Nuclear war in two weeks, bitches! Try prosecuting me then, Mueller!

Looks like republicans want to start another war so all of their ratings will go up before midterms and their masters can get more money.

You could tell they were panicking more and more as usual republican strongholds started flipping to dems.

Someone on MSNBC just said “With him you liked the war on Iraq but you’ll LOVE the war on Iran.”

Republicans on House Intel Committee voted down a Democratic proposal to have Mark Zuckerberg and other tech CEOs appear at a hearing before the Committee.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if at some point very soon, Sean Hannity finds himself in the White House. it's that kind of shit mess.

THey want to distract us from Mueller and they think they can win in the Midterms with a war. But the fact is most people including Republicans and Indies, but not Trump's Deplorables, will be terrified at Trump running a war, so this will guarantee they get fucked.

Victoria Toensing is joining her husband Joseph diGenova on Trumps legal team for the Russia probe......she represents the informant for Uranium One.

Sean Hannity will replace Kelley........wait for it.......

r234, this is why the Dems HAVE to take back the House in November!

r236, echhh! Another Clinton hating cunt.

Bolton? We are probably closing in on a Reichstag Fire Event. Fuck Me.

Wasn't there a tweet posted on one of these threads that said something like, "The next firing won’t feel like it has anything to do with Russia/Mueller, but it’s all part of the plan"? Something like that.

R240, as far as Chris Matthews and all his guests are concerned you're right. This Bolton appointment is " the most consequential appointment he has made." The unanimous opinion is that this is catastrophic. Well, if this is really that bad. If all the signs are pointing at war, etc. if it's really bad and he is getting ready to scrap the Iran deal...which is working, and taking us into a war with Nuclear implications then from an international perspective, some country out here has to DO something. Trump cannot remain in the White House. Are there any countries that have a "Seal Tem Six?" We have too many belligerent, agressive people all together in one place.

The only thing I can hope personally, is that Bolton's personality is way too strong and he alienates Trump, Pompeo and a few other people so much so that Trump dumps him. He can be another Scaramucci. Lord hear our prayer.

Well, well, well,.......turns out that Gussifer2.0 is Russian Military Intelligence..........say goodbye Roger Stone.

Lindsey, daily before the TV cameras, takes again, a white glove approach as to Trump's decisions.

This strategy isn't working.

Lindsey needs to go hard and pound his point.

Wow, r243. Well, that’s pretty damning.

Lindsay knows his voters. There are a lot of Ex military in SC. They may be homophobic, racist anti immigration people, but they do not trust the Neo Cons who got us into Iraq and don't look forward to another war. When you look at the tax cuts and the new spending bill, blowing up[ our deficit, then adding another war to it? Sheeee-it.

Bolton is a serial killer on a massive scale.

Don't trump and bolton and the idiot deplorables realize if trump starts a nuclear war there's a very good chance they will all die, too?

I am sick hearing this news. Sick, afraid, and really, really disgusted.

I bet money Trump fires Sessions on Sunday... about one to two hours before Sixty Minutes.

We've seen this movie

Well, Trump got what he wanted.......between his lawyer leaving and the McMaster/Bolton shakeup, Cambridge Analytica is successfully out of the headlines.......but it will be back.....thats the connection between Russia and the campaign.

I will base a slender hope on the fact that Bolton has a reputation for being very hard to get along with. He doesn't play nice with others. He has a huge ego and he is very definite in what he believes. Rigid, inflexible, hot tempered, big ego. IMO, this is designed to fail.

Don't forget there are other members of the national security team, permanent members, including Pompeo, and other people who will not let Bolton run roughshod over them. He has enemies on the GOP side in Congress too.

If anything Trump may have alienated some of the goodwill he still has in the GOP Senate by hiring Bolton. It was the GOP majority Senate who refused to approve Bolton as Bush's UN Ambassador, which was a lesser appointment than this one is.

Trump has created a mess. Putin is laughing his ass off at the way this is playing out. Like Osama Bin Laden, this is going better than he ever dreamed. If he wanted to weaken us and create chaos he's succeeding beautifully. And the latest spending bill coupled with the massive tax cuts is going to wreck our economy, so sure, let's plan another war.

At some point the GOP COngress has to see where this is heading. They have to stop him. November can't come soon enough. If they wanted to fight back they could and they could take their voters with them if they were smart and knew how to frame a message. So I don't buy it that they're worried about their voters.

There have to be other reasons. Does Netanyahu want a war in Iran? Yeah. Does Putin? No. I want to know where Erik Prince fits in on this appointment. Remember. He is someone who Trump talks to. He is as shady as they come. Evil personified.

ALERT! SuperLawyer Joyce Vance says it was just announced there's a "cyber crime enforcement action" being announced tomorrow with Rod Rosenstein, the U.S. Attorney from the Southern District of New York (NYC area), FBI deputy director and the assistant Treasury secretary.

"This lineup looks like something major is brewing," she says.

!!!

Rachel Maddow seems to think Trump is putting together his crack-pot legal team more as a pr operation....so when he does something drastic, they can go on Fox and explain his actions. I think she might be right, but she also doesnt give him enough credit....I think hes using these idiots to set up an ineffective assistance of counsel defense should he be found guilty.

Note that Jeff Sessions is not part of the lineup for tomorrow's announcement at R253.

Sessions = recused = Russia.

r253....I only hope it is Trump/Russia related......i find it ironic that this was announced after Trump announced Bolton as NSA.....everybody knows his reputation.

R252, Rubio and Graham have already released statements praising the appointment of Bolton. We must learn that Republicans can't be trusted.

r253....At first I thought, no, this isnt Trump/Russia related.....and then I thought about what Mueller would do.....if he was going to take down Kushner or junior....especially for something like money laundering.....he would do it at the State level so Trump cant issues pardons.....if true, tomorrow is going to be apocalyptic in the white house.

r257.....thats because theyre both warmongers.

sounds more like the gruccifer hack

That would make sense. All anyone’s talking about tonight is Bolton, which is understandable. But that Guccifer story is VERY important.

yeah ties the russians to the hack so that would explain sessions' absence, and definitely a cyberlaw action

[quote]At some point the GOP COngress has to see where this is heading.

They know Trump getting exposed means many of them get as exposed as well, either in the form of their blackmail or their crimes.

They're cornered animals lashing out, trying to save themselves.

Heard earlier Trump has an app oval rating up to 44%; and the generic ballot against the GOP is back to 6%. Is that correct? Thought that was said on CNN.

Nevertheless, those numbers sound higher than expected, given all the chaos, scandals, and conflict.

Too many yapping heads on TV are making this mess a who-done-it drama for each day, as if it's entertainment, with viewer rooting for one side or the other.

Round up these crooks already.

If Trump and Bolton start a war against Iran, will the Democrats of today roll over like they did under Tom Daschle so as not to "seem dovish"?

Look for press conference tomorrow morning (Friday). Rosentein and Feds from New York. Cyber crime.

10 am

Attacking Iran would unleash a devastating mess. If Saudia Arabia, UAE, Israel and others want to fight Iran, let them do so with THEIR military weapons of war and personnel, along with 5he finances required. Please not use that of the U.S. again in the middle east.

Please be Brad Parscale, Jared Kushner, Steve Bannon and others tied to Cambridge Analytica........I find it odd that all the recent revelations are coming out the way they are....its almost as if its coordinated.

I'm afraid to get my hopes up yet again, but it is a Friday.

[quote]Look for press conference tomorrow morning (Friday). Rosentein and Feds from New York. Cyber crime.

Crooked Hillary, Uranium One, DNC, Obama, Pelosi and Maxine Walters -- Busted in YUGE conspiracy! Heard it on Hannity so it must be true! Lock them up!

[quote] but she also doesnt give him enough credit....I think hes using these idiots to set up an ineffective assistance of counsel defense should he be found guilty.

R254, oh now you're giving him waaaaay too much credit.

I really hate that our politics are so divisive these days. My 78 year old daughter is very pro Trump. I know I raised her right, but it feels like a failing on my part somehow.

R272, you have a 78 year old daughter?

It’s reaaly her grand daughter, but she was forced to raise it when mommy ODed

[quote]Heard earlier Trump has an app oval rating up to 44%; and the generic ballot against the GOP is back to 6%. Is that correct? Thought that was said on CNN.

If it was from CNN than it must be correct only because they are not ones to boost him up. Shocking, tbh. What on earth has gotten his numbers up?

Dump did this just because Karen McDougal was giving an interview about her affair with him tonight on CNN.

In which she said she had sex with him "many dozens of times," they didn't use condoms, he tried to pay her for sex, and he compared her to Ivanka.

'A man’s character is his fate.'

- tHeraclitus

HOLY SHIT......Stormi Daniels attorney just tweeted.."If a picture is worth a tousand words, what is this worth ?"....with a picture of a dvd.

Shit just got real.

Michael Avenatti ‏

@MichaelAvenatti Follow Follow @MichaelAvenatti More If “a picture is worth a thousand words,” how many words is this worth?????#60minutes #pleasedenyit #basta

I think They are going to be announcing a Law Enforcment initiative. Maybe that they uncovered something and stopped it. They want to demonstrate they are workinig on cyber crimes. This might have something to do with our water supply or our electric grids. Maybe they arrested people who were fucking with the electric grid. As for why isn't Sessions involved? Maybe he's going t be fired tomorrow.

Lordy, I hope there are tapes!

Since Congress never recesses anymore and, therefore, there can't be any recess appointments, there could be issues getting Pompeo and Bolton confirmed, no?

Bolton's position doesn't require confirmation.

Stormi better not apologize to Melania like the Playboy model did tonight on CNN.

Apologizing to the wife is stupid. The women didn't take marriage vows to Melania and no need to make her into some martyr. Everyone knows she made her bed knowingly and is willingly lying in it.

If anyone should be apologizing to Melania, it's Trump. For her sake though I hope she's ready to slap him with the divorce and take her prenup to court.

r284.....FOR THE HUNDREDTH TIME.....NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISORS DO NOT NEED CONFIRMATION.

The guy is a smart cookie. That’s probably just a copy of the 60 minute interview, but I’m sure Trump is staining his Depends right now.

The sacked / leaving lawyer backflips again.

[quote]An outgoing lawyer for President Trump's personal legal team said that Trump approved of a statement he gave calling for special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe to be shut down, The Wall Street Journal reports. John Dowd, who resigned Thursday, issued a statement last weekend calling on Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to “bring an end to alleged Russia Collusion investigation.” “(Trump) thought it was a good statement. And I still do,” Dowd told the Journal on Thursday.

[quote]but I’m sure Trump is staining his Depends right now.

Hopefully he's too busy wiping his ass to fire Mueller on the weekend.

Look. By Rosenstein announcing something major tomorrow he is probably delaying the firing of himself and Sessions.

I find it intresting that Rosenstein is making this announcment whatever it is, and not the Director of the FBI. If it were a law enforccment issue, where they busted some major criminal activity, the FBI would be part of it. But this is the Justice department which makes me feel like it isn't about arresting anyone.

Vox reports it's not related to the Mueller investigation.

[quote]Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and other top law enforcement officials are hosting a press conference Friday morning to cover a “major cyber law enforcement announcement.” It is reportedly not related to Mueller’s investigation, but the timing sure is interesting.

Here’s the Announcement

[quote] I think They are going to be announcing a Law Enforcment initiative. Maybe that they uncovered something and stopped it.

Absolutely! They uncovered a giant stash of counterfeit Bee Gee 8 Track cassettes. This has to stop now!!!

#HateFake8

R235 I thought the same exact thing as soon as I read it. And then Rick Wilson said it on CNN.

There's a rumor spreading that Trump is gonna fire John Kelly and not replace him. Trump will be his own Speaker of the House. Many are speculating it'll be Sean Hannity.

But I doubt he'd take it. First off, he's most powerful exactly where he is: 7pm weeknights at FOX working as Trump's mouthpiece to the minions of Deplorables.

Second, it would be a tremendous cut in pay. That piece of shit makes in excess of 16 million a year!

Laura Ingraham was in talks to replace Sean Spicer, but turned it down for a variety of reasons. She knew she'd eventually be getting the spot following Hannity after Bill O'Reilly vacated.

From Seth Abramson:

"So, uh, Trump advisor Roger Stone was in contact with Russian intelligence pre-election and called himself a fan of their work (all federal crimes), then lied about it to Congress?

That's what this breaking news about Guccifer 2.0 means."

Great article posted by Benjamin Wittes. As he noted, it's from last summer, has aged very well.

As perverse as it sounds but it shows how desperate they are. It's obvious that the GOP is PRAYING for Trump to declare war on someone to get the heat off the GOP (and Trump himself). They don't give a flying fuck about how many people get killed. It's all about saving their own asses and foreign bank accounts.

It would be amazing if the general public would disobey and refuse to play along and not go to war with another country (Donald, you want war? Buy a ticket for you and your war mongering friends and fight it yourself, in person!). Of course ideally someone would take away Donald's access to nukes (Donald Trump can't serve the country anymore, because we found out that he got a nasty STD that clouds his judgement!).

Here’s Rick Wilson’s assessment of Trump’s new legal team vs. Mueller.

DJT is being advised by Sean Hannity and Jeanine Pirro. No wonder the extreme absurdity that's prevailing..

Rick Wilson says today is going to be "batshit crazy."

And also that "Stormy ain't got nothin'" compared to some other women about to come forward.

R302, in Hannity's and Pirro's defense (I can't believe I am actually typing these words!), I don't think it matters who advises the orange moron. He can make the worst decisions all by himself.

During this presidency I have really come to like Rick Wilson. He's got that Republican chutzpah, but he hates trump.

In R278's photo Trump looks like he could star in the "Germans who look like they're Asian" thread.

r37: "They [Republicans] don’t care about Americans or the Big Lie that is the United States of America." And most Americans are fearful of taking this insight to its possible conclusion about major events affecting us this century.

r300: "They don't give a flying fuck about how many people get killed." See: r307.

Congress decided to sneak new Russia sanctions into the spending bill they just passed.

Trump said he would sign the bill. Suddenly, he’s now threatening to veto it.

r309 By hiding those sanctions in a bill, Congress is essentially admitting that Trump, for some reason, cannot otherwise stand up to Russia. They know he is compromised and therefore are complicit.

They can put all the sanctions they want into all the bills they can come up with. It means nothing. Trump already has failed to implement the Sanctions they passed almost unanimously in Veto-proof legislation last Fall. Why should these new sanctions make any difference. They mean nothing if they are not implemented.

And the big announcement turns out to be about Iran stealing intellectual property from our universities. What a wonderful coincidence! Nuke 'em!

R312, that’s what I thought. What a scandal! Faux News will be all over this while they continue to ignore Russian meddling and hacking.

I guess Rosenstein is trying to keep his job.

Unimplemented sanctions are a display of gross weakness when the authors and sign-ons of the legislation are too timid to take firm and effective action against the rejector and those charged with delivering the intent.

I'm glad that MSNBC is refusing to take the bait and be distracted by the Iranian hacking thing. I don't think they've even mentioned it yet.

They're still focusing on John Bolton and the Playboy ho.

We have grounds to impeach without Mueller. He has been criminally negligent and has violated his oath of office by failing to investigate Russian interference in our elections, by failing to implement the sanctions he signed into law and to seek remedies and safeguards to insure this doesn't happen again. He has failed to investigate or respond to reports that Russia hacked into our power grids and our water supplies. and our nuclear energy plants.

And in case some people are not aware, Iran has been a client of Russia for more than 35 years. Most of our problems in the Middle East are rooted in Russian interference. So if Iran was hacking us, if it was state sponsored, then Russia's fingerprints are all over it. The lack of anything resembling coherence in the pronouncements of his advisers often places Trump in a position where one policy contradicts another.

We need to get him out of the fucking White House permanently. He is a clear and present danger, a threat to our national security, and a very grave threat to the future of world Peace. He has said since the campaign, what good is it to have Nuclear weapons if you don't use them. And that is exactly where untethered Trump is heading with his new crop of "advisers."

Remember what James Comey said about ol' Rosey...

also remember that photo of smirky and rosey together at the restaurant.

The press thought that dinner and photo were trolling the pres.

I am not so sure. It could have been a signal to the pres, letting him know something...

Just a week or so later McCabe was canned. And now today's strange announcement.

JI hope I am wrong

I believe you're wrong. Too much has come out about Trump and Russia. It's too late for that. If Rosenstein wanted to crush this investigation he could have done it and should have done it months ago. And Christopher Wray is going to give Rosenstein and Mueller all the support they can. To the rank & file FBI agents, and the FBI counter Intelligence people, Mueller is something of a legend. The very notion of him "reporting" or getting "permission" from Rosenstein is quaint. But he will follow the rules and Rosenstein will back his play. I know that firing McCabe and robbing him of his pension was a chilling reminder to the FBI staff. This President is drunk with power and will do damned near anything to destroy people. They want him out even more than we do.

I believe Rosenstein and Sessions go along with Trump's lunacy to not give him grounds to fire them (in Session's case I believe it's not out of the goodness of his heart, but he still wants to fuck more things up for his own agenda).

Today's announcement was really weird. Iranian counterfeit DVDS? Someone made too many copies pf Black Panther...?

[quote]And the big announcement turns out to be about Iran stealing intellectual property from our universities.

I'm sure nobody else from the Middle East is stealing. Especially Israel.

Anderson interviewing hos is a special talent. He's good at it.

Two days ago I was listening to Progressive Radio and someone on there predicted that someone was going to try to get us in to a war with Iran and that it would be disastrous. I only caught part of the segment unfortunately.

It's an easy prediction to make, from the mother of all bombs through the continuing FBI firings, Mueller threats, and women scandals. You just pick between predicting a war with North Korea, with a Saudi / Israeli enemy, or with both.

[quote] And the big announcement turns out to be about Iran stealing intellectual property from our universities

Are you sure it's notmabout the Beegees? That would be worthy of a bomb.

R316 "We have grounds to impeach without Mueller. He has been criminally negligent and has violated his oath of office by failing to investigate Russian interference in our elections, by failing to implement the sanctions he signed into law and to seek remedies and safeguards to insure this doesn't happen again. He has failed to investigate or respond to reports that Russia hacked into our power grids and our water supplies. and our nuclear energy plants."

So what?

Believable

Seth Abramson twitter:

"(THREAD) New evidence suggests Rick Gates' plea has much more to do with Russia than we thought.

And that's because it may have more to do with Trump advisor Erik Prince and Trump fundraiser/RNC deputy finance chair Elliott Broidy than we thought.

Hope you'll read on and share."

Did we already cover that Trump’s two new lawyers may quit/not be hired? Per CNN.

Trump campaign fundraises off Mueller's Russia probe: 'We cannot let the swamp get away with using our government as a weapon to overturn elections' President Donald Trump's re-election campaign sent out a fundraising email suggesting that donors could help the president fight special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. The appeal represented a new line of attack from the Trump campaign, which has so far downplayed the probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 elections. The more aggressive tone of the fundraising email coincided with a shift reportedly underway among the president's legal team for the Russia investigation.

R329, the husband and wife team? I hadn't heard that....

Which would be worse, war with Iran or war with North Korea? Iran, right?

Possible conflict of interest with that cunt Victoria Toensing. Good. She and that hubby of hers are the lowest form of scum.

I think Iran could be far worse.

If we do start a war with either Iran or North Korea, we'll be in it alone. No one will join us. If we're the laughing stocks of the global community now, what will we be then? Pariahs? The enemy?

Apparently Trump met with DiGenova and his wife on Thursday.

Now they may not get hired.

DiGenova is such a sleazy piece of shit.

DiGenova loves to bark out conspiracy theories on Fox News, but if he actually takes the job and loses against Mueller, that'll be his last case. (And what would he have gotten from it? We all know Trumpie don't pay.)

R332, with NK there are still a lot of unknowns. But the Pentagon supposedly has been doing Iran war simulations for years and they end terribly for us. That's why so many people even in the GOP oppose Bolton.

All the Kushners are in it.

[quote]JOSHUA KUSHNER, A venture capitalist and the younger brother of White House adviser Jared Kushner, met with Qatari Finance Minister Ali Sharif Al Emadi the same week as his father, Charles Kushner did last April 2017, in an independent effort to discuss potential investments from the Qatari government. Both meetings took place at Al Emadi’s St. Regis Hotel suite in Manhattan. This revelation comes after Charles Kushner, in an interview with the Washington Post this week, confirmed for the first time that his meeting with Al Emadi had indeed taken place on the subject of financing for the underwater Kushner property at 666 Fifth Avenue.

Yeah, R338, that’s the only reason I want those cunts to go to work at the WH-so they will both be utterly destroyed down the line.

‘You should do it.’ Trump officials encouraged George Papadopoulos’s foreign outreach, documents show.

Since Papadopoulos pleaded guilty last year to lying to the FBI about his Russia contacts during the campaign and agreed to cooperate with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III, Trump officials have sought to paint the 30-year old energy consultant as a low level volunteer whose outreach to Russia was not authorized by the campaign — and in some cases, was actively discouraged.

But emails described to The Washington Post, which are among thousands of documents turned over to investigators examining Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign, show that Papadopoulos had more extensive contact with key Trump campaign and presidential transition officials than has been publicly acknowledged.

Among those who communicated with Papadopoulos were senior campaign figures such as chief executive Stephen K. Bannon and adviser Michael Flynn, who corresponded with him about his efforts to broker ties between Trump and top foreign officials, the emails show

Days after a woman accused U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore of sexual impropriety, two Moore supporters approached her attorney with an unusual request.

They asked lawyer Eddie Sexton to drop the woman as a client and say publicly that he did not believe her. The damaging statement would be given to Breitbart News, then run by former White House strategist Stephen K. Bannon.

In exchange, Sexton said in recent interviews, the men offered to pay him $10,000 and promised to introduce him to Bannon and others in the nation’s capital. Parts of Sexton’s account are supported by recorded phone conversations, text messages and people in whom he confided at the time.

The liberal PAC American Bridge 21st Century is seeking unused footage from the Netflix documentary on long-time Trump adviser Roger Stone, following revelations that the DNC hacker with whom Stone communicated was, in fact, a Russian intelligence officer.

The report from The Daily Beast on Thursday, revealing new details of Guccifer 2.0's identity, places Russia more squarely behind the high-profile hack. It also raises questions as to whether Stone willingly or unwittingly communicated with Russian officials. American Bridge suspects that answers may be found in the unaired footage of the Netflix film "Get Me Roger Stone." "

Wow, r343!

If anyone is still unclear that Fox & Friends are Cheeto's main advisor:

Matthew Gertz: On Fox & Friends this morning, Pete Hegseth said of the omnibus, "this is a swamp budget, this is a Mitch McConnell special," savaged it because "no wall."

Jonathan Swan: A source close to John Bolton tells me he made no promise to Trump that he "wouldn't start any wars," contrary to reports. "Not true, wasn't discussed," the source says.

I wonder if Mattis or anyone in the military would just flat out refuse orders.

OK, it’s past 5:30 pm on a Friday, expecting something big to break any minute now.

R349: Yep, Friday night cliffhanger (Mattis, Kelly, Sessions or Rosenstein?)

r330, that makes me want to vomit. A sitting US president using conspiracy theories to raise funds for his legal defense in a multi-agency federal investigation. He truly is treasonous. What about all his personal "billions"? (billions, my ass)

Joshua Kushner has douchey hair. Looks way better on Maddow.

Now we know why Zuckerberg said he's considering running for President: He knows how the cheating is done.

The United Kingdom's top privacy watchdog on Friday was granted a warrant to search the offices of Cambridge Analytica after recent news reports revealed the firm obtained data from millions of Facebook users without their consent or knowledge.

R352 I'm also curious if he has any dirty laundry that would be aired if he were president, other than the whole selling unwitting peoples' information so the right propaganda would be shown to them thing.

Narcissists and criminals basically don't think their shit stinks so they think it'll never get out. Trump and his clan didn't and now they're a mess.

Miss Lindz on Fox, with Breitbart covering, praises DJT's appointment of Bolton. Not linking those two sources, but Miss Lindz says Russia and Iran will be losers.

Miss Lindz flips over often these days.

Also, Bolton has strong ties to the Mercers.

r355.....Miss Lindsey is a warmonger.....has always been a warmonger.....and will always be a warmonger. Why do you think he if bffs with McCain ?

The more I read about Bolton' Russia connection and his NRA appearance in an NRA video in Russia, and his own PAC donating to specific "Republican Candidates" And Fox/Murdoch's Russian connections the sicker I feel. How the fuck do we root out all of this? We need major housecleaning and it starts with our campaign finance laws , FCC regulatory poliicies, and the rules for non profits getting involved in political activities. We also need to block foreign contributions and lobbyists representing foreign interests from donating to political campaigns. I think the only way to really cure this is massive reform. Stop running Presidential campaigns for two or three years. Lets have public financing and lets start forcing campaigns to start no earlier than 12 months before the election. I'd really like to see them campaign for 6 months and have it over. Our Houe of Representatives ought to have four yeaar terms, and the President should only be allowed one 6 yr term . Time to break this shit up. And BTW speaking of breaking shit up, lets bust the Koch brothers. They're too big.

Well said, r357. We need to get donations out of the elections. The taxpayers should fund the elections since we are the people they are suppose represent.

Maybe Citizens United will be what brings it all down.

r335, we'll be Germany in 1939.

Good points, r357. Also, r358.

Too many voters don't think critically, susceptible to catchy soundbites, and tend to be reactionary on single issues. The MSM does a poor job of informing voters of system flaws, and how interests groups and major donors control politicians. A immense reform movement needs to happen, but will have to get rolling outside of Congress first.

Christopher Wylie sent out the first page of legal warning that Bannon, The Mercers and Cambridge Analytica received from Guiliani's law firm.

The first page is VERY clear on the law. Foreign nationals can not participate in any aspect of US elections.

End of of Wylie's tweet? "Bannon knew".

Read it for yourselves. Bolded paragraph at the bottom.

Wasn't the head of Cambridge Analytica bragging on the video that Channel 4 released last week about how he was directing the proven and tested themes that the Trump campaign used?

Seems like the whole damn lot of them are in just a wee bit of trouble.

How far will some people go to make a buck?

There has to be a better way.

Fiddle-Dee-Dee, r356!

Where has Rudy Giuliani been hiding? I've always thought Giuliani and Jared Kushner were the dirtiest in this whole mess.

Please tell me that memo Wylie posted means Rebekah Mercer will go to prison!

This bulldagger's gonna rule the prison yard with an iron fist!

R368 The pic you posted of R. Mercer really isn't so bad. You could have searched a little harder and found one where she looks far fatter and uglier.

BUT HER EMAILS!

Rebekah will run the prison in no time. She can do the deadliest headbutts with that enormous forehead of hers.

I wonder how Trump feels about Obama visiting Indonesia, and New Zealand and Australia, getting a hero's welcome and visiting with their Prime Ministers and other dignitiaries? In fact Obama travels all over Europe and the rest of the world to speaking engagements and and public events, meets with heads of states and other political leaders and business leaders ( real business leaders) regularly. It must burn Trump's ass.

[quote]Jared Kushner were the dirtiest in this whole mess.

Oh, please. Kushner is too stupid to be running the show.

There are several shows (aka scams) going on. I believe what really fucked them was that nobody coordinated all these scams, kept track of them, and - more importantly - covered all the tracks leading to their own and other shows / scams.

I really think --hope-- that Bolton butts heads with Bringing-Peace-to-the-Middle-East Kushner. It's what could finally send Javanka skulking back to NYC.

Putin won't allow a war with Iran, they are their top ally and they are not given up influence in the middle East.

Also the Iranian hacking probably happened with the help of Russian intelligence.

I would like to know all of the PACs that Cambridge Analytica worked with, so maybe we can expose the dark money behind them.

WSJ: Kushner Failed To Disclose More Than $1 Billion Of Debt On His Security Clearance Form.

President Donald Trump’s lead strategist and son-in-law failed to disclose more than 70 business assets on his security clearance form. He also omitted an assortment of debt totaling at least $1 billion, $300 million or more of which he is personally guaranteeing.

[quote]I wonder how Trump feels about Obama visiting Indonesia, and New Zealand and Australia, getting a hero's welcome and visiting with their Prime Ministers and other dignitaries?

More or less as Iago felt about Othello: eaten up with destructive uncomprehending envy at a man by effortless magnitudes his human superior.

Well said r379 !

although in fairness to iago, there's no contention that he ever paid hookers to piss on othello's bed

[quote]although in fairness to iago, there's no contention that he ever paid hookers to piss on othello's bed

Damn, I could have used that. Missed a trick there.

Why can't CNN find the pee pee girls and have Anderson Cooper interview them? Weren't they known to be Ukranian? Or some investigative reporter reveals their fate.

Pooty though, could have permanently silenced the poor girls, and cleansed their history.

^ Sound like a job for Christiane Amanpour to find out. She's doing a series on women per sex and love around the world. The story would fit.

r383, why are you so obsessed with that one aspect of the dossier?

And again, you realize that the hookers (if this even happened) peed on the bed the Obama's slept in, not on Trump, right?

The pee pee girls are dead, dead, dead. Ridiculous to think otherwise.

Right r385. The pee incident might have laughingstock value, but that's about it.

And like r386. I think they're dead

Indeed, r379! Brilliant post.

To keep up my spirits, I watch this clip of Rick Wilson every couple of hours -- at 02:05.

Thanks to whoever provided the link above.

R379 and r381 are absolutely classic. Bless you both.

Thanks for that r389.

And Phil Mudd who was next to him has also had his share of clarity moments.

I imagine a lot of Republican senators, up for re-election, will be anti Trump from now on and even suggest they will join impeachment efforts until after the election where they change their tune once again (when indeed re-elected). Unless Trump is dragging the US in a war to distract from his crooked ways.

[quote]I imagine a lot of Republican senators, up for re-election, will be anti Trump from now on and even suggest they will join impeachment efforts until after the election where they change their tune once again (when indeed re-elected).

Don't kid yourself. The most vulnerable Republican senator, Nevada's Dean Heller, has been firmly pro-Trump.

" until after the election where they change their tune once again (when indeed re-elected). "

As much as the idea of that makes me cringe, it gives me hope we'll all still be alive in 2020.

[quote]Why can't CNN find the pee pee girls and have Anderson Cooper interview them?

Because he stutters.

[quote] imagine a lot of Republican senators, up for re-election, will be anti Trump from now on

82% of Republicans support Trump, you think GOP senators are going to risk alienating those voters? There are no heroes amongst the Republicans in Congress.

So when are we likely to see Roger Stone being taken away in handcuffs, please?

[quote] So when are we likely to see Roger Stone being taken away in handcuffs, please?

Not soon enough. That sleazy bastard belongs behind bars for the remainder of his miserable, wretched life.

CNN is worthless. We have no news anymore. J

Journalism has been reduced to just clickbait and 'documentaries'

Isn't Roger Stoner a 'SWINGER' and had ads in swinger mags? Read that a number of times going back years.

Strange tastes there

Anderson seriously needs to do something about his slurring and mumbling. It's unacceptable when a top journalist on TV is unintelligible.

Regarding the pee tapes: Even Christopher Steele claimed he expected about 80-85% of the claims in the dossier to be accurate and provable. (I think it's turned out to be 90%). He specifically mentioned that the "salacious" elements had the least amount of credibility. For that reason, he was hesitant to include them, but still felt it necessary. Had he known it would eventually blow up the way it did, he might have left them out of the report.

So basically, no pee pee tapes.

#Me too

....but I just pop their fingers and tell each I will ponder entertaining their overtures in my parlor after sundown.

You may well be right, R402. I do think Russia has something on Trump, but I'm not sure I believe that particular tape exists.

People have to stop waiting for the pee tapes. Even Steele admitted it's the least credible of all incidents documented in the Dossier. He conjectured that most likely, 70-75% would pan out and prove factual. But it's been as much as 90%. But no pee tapes.

I saw hottie Josh Kushner at the March for Our Lives today in D.C.! He was with his model girlfriend in the VIP area.

Was he armed?

DJT's response to the existence of the alleged pee pee tapes sounded defensive, while denying. If untrue, he could have laughed it off. Instead, he spoke about being a germophobe. If tapes exists, Pooty has them. Such as purported, is not the smoking gun, but imagine the scene? Why would he hire hookers just to pee on a bed? He could have done it himself, or have asked his loyal bodyguard to do it. Or, he wanted observers to enjoy the moment and had it filmed himself. Like everything else with the campaign and this administration, it is too bizarre perhaps not to be true. Whereas Pooty may hold the evidence, no investigation will unearth it. However, Ruskies videotaping or secretly listening to a very prominent American in a Moscow hotel, would not be beyond their apparent espionage practices. They probably laughed their asses off doing it.

I'm willing to wager that what Putin has on Trump is financial. Which is why Mueller wanted to review -- and is reviewing -- the Trump organization's records. The bankrupt Donnie is probably up to his orange eyeballs in debt to the Russian oligarchs. They've got his tiny, shriveled balls in a vice grip. How else to explain his extreme reluctance to ever criticize anything that Putin and the Russian do, say, don't do, or don't say. Sanctions? What sanctions?

R408, I agree—the pee pee tape sounds EXACTLY like something Trump would do. That’s why it got such traction as a rumor. But, if it exists, the tape is controlled by the Russians. I don’t know why people think it’s going to come out.

The Russians, though, had their financial claws in Trump long before the tape. The tape would just be something that symbolizes the fact that they own him.

Nobody's mentioned the possibility there might be other Trump tapes out there too.

[quote]Nobody's mentioned the possibility there might be other Trump tapes out there too.

Ahem...

Aside from their salacious value, ost people don't care about Trump's personal sexual pecadillos. He has been a known quantity for decades. His life has been lived in public. womanizer? Who cares. The supporters who still stand with him don't even care that he has been accused of sexual assault by more than a dozen women. I think it's about Money. He is a money launderer. He sees a chance to hook up with wealthy oligarchs on gas and oil leases. All he has to do is support Putin's aims, and he is set for life. Wealthy beyond his dreams. that's all he cares about. Remember. He has always said that he would not give up any information, tax returns business interests. He said investigating that was a 'red line." Bimbos he can handle.

Will nobody care about the Pee Pee tapes when it's revealed one of the hookers is Ivanka who blows daddy after a piss?

Asking for a friend.

What I have gathered from twitter is that trump may only be concerned with being president to about 33% of the population, but for that 33% he is doing a good job. And it's not abstract. They can list exactly what he has done that they are happy with. The spending bill anger will pass.

Pee pee tapes, adultery, reckless spending, excessive golf trips, profiting off the presidency... none of it matters. Russian interference? Why should they care if it got them the president they wanted and trust?

Are the Repug talking points tonight to just deny the pee pee tapes? It's not just their salacious nature that would be at issue, it's the fact that they could be used to blackmail a sitting US President. I think they do exist in some manner but I don't think "pee pee" is all that's on them.

I'm not a Republican. I'm a diehard Hillary supporter. But fine, maybe I'm projecting. I personally don't care if he did made some prostitutes piss on a bed. I find him to be a disgusting pig. So nothing he does or is rumored to have done surprises me. But as for blackmail I just don't see how the alleged pee tapes would have value as an instrument of Blackmail. Sure he might get pissed off if they leaked out. But he doesn't give a rat's ass. Now if they affected his ability to do business, or if they affected his relationship with the GOP Congress that's a different story. But the GOP Congress has already shown how low they set the bar, so I'm just not seeing how much harm such tapes can do if they are leaked.

[quote]Why would he hire hookers just to pee on a bed? He could have done it himself

Lord knows he’s probably peed in every bed he’s slept in.

^^^ Maybe that’s why Melania doesn’t sleep with him.

R416/R417 The pee thing is more embarrassing if anything. Trump and most republicans have egos the size of Jupiter and don't care about being hypocrites, but they can't really handle people laughing at them nor can many of them laugh at themselves. You can't laugh at a man cheating on his wife, forcing their mistress/wife to abort their baby, walking into a teenage girl pageant, etc. You can however laugh at a man who paid women to pee on a bed while he watched because he hates a successful black guy who slept on it once.

It's the same thing with their voters. The alt right especially mostly cares about making liberals and ~sjw menace~ mad. When they are laughed instead, they become confused or angry. Case in point, some alt right guy looking to scam dumb alt righters by making some shitty comic:

[quote]We all underestimated how bad the convergence in comics had become; we had to actually see it in order to believe it. I suspect we may be similarly underestimating the degree to which the SJWs in comics are going to be triggered by the mere existence of Alt Hero, let alone if it proves to be even remotely popular. This has the potential to make the response of the SF-SJWs to the Rabid Puppies look calm and measured by comparison. [quote]UPDATE: Judging by the initial response of SJWs on Twitter, which is about as calm as measured as a vampire's reaction to garlic-infused holy water, this is going to be even more triggering than I'd imagined. [quote]UPDATE: I have been reliably informed that they are not at all triggered. Not even a little bit. No, you see, they're all laughing. That's a new one....

If Dump doesn't give a shit about his sexual exploits becoming public, why did he try so hard to shut up Stormy - and continues to do so? Sorry, but that argument does not hold water.

R412 "Nobody's mentioned the possibility there might be other Trump tapes out there too."

There is also this....

I think a pee or hooker tape would damage him. People tend to forget that the people who still support him are not the majority of Americans. They never were and his base is shrinking daily.

Tell that to Forbes Magazine, r373.

Damn r368, that Rebekah Mercer bitch has a serious case of Big Dick Face.

Why I believe the hookers peeing on the bed never happened:

*Practicality: Trump still had to stay in the room after the hookers left. Did he still sleep in the bed? Did he sleep on the couch next to the bed? even with awful stench of urine? ..... Also, he regards himself as a very famous celebrity. Housekeeping has to come in to clean, they find Donald Trump's bed soaked in urine. What are they going to think? Like that information is not gonna get out? I think Trump's narcissism of what people think of him, especially things having to do with his physicality, would Trump over his level of stupidity.

*What would be the point? Again, Trump's narcissism and not only his need to be a bully but to do it in front of an audience. He'll tweet the nastiest thing about somebody, but he won't dare say it to their face or even leave a nasty phone message that only they will hear. If everybody isn't in on his humiliating someone, why do it? It's a wasted opportunity. Other than Trump and the Russian hookers, who else was in the room? Who would Trump be trying to impress? If there's no one to see the defilement, what's the point of doing it?

The pee sex tape is as sordid as Monica Lewinsky's black (dark blue?) dress with Bill Clinton's DNA (sperm) on it. People really dig the sordid angle when it comes to political scandals. Like in England when government officials are caught in sordid sex scandals with prostitutes, hustlers, kinky sex toys and / or sex gear (rubber suit, for example).

[quote]Tell that to Forbes Magazine, [R373].

He is such a dork. I thought Steve Bannon was supposed to be the mastermind.

I haven't been following the pee tapes story in depth since it first came out, but I'm sure initial reports were that the tapes were Trump and an underaged hooker? If that's so, would that be quite so excusable to his supporters?

[quote] If that's so, would that be quite so excusable to his supporters?

Yes, it would be.

GREED and MORE GREED

[quote]Trump still had to stay in the room after the hookers left

Weak argument. Do you seriously think Trump - the owner of the Miss Universe Pageant then - only had ONE room with ONE bed available? (And, according to your feeble scenario, perhaps a little couch next to the bed?)

This is not a traveling insurance accountant were talking about, and he was not staying at the Ramada Motel

So the scenario described in the dossier was that he watched other people pee. They didn't pee on him. He was just an observer of a "performance" where two women peed on a bed. Sorry. IMO that might be titillating and pervy to some people, but it doesn't meet the standard. If they had peed on him, now THAT would have been really scandalous.

The other thing, R421, I think they worried that combined with the Access Hollywood tape it could be damaging. it could also be that they were trying to avoid a bimbo eruption. I believe as someone else up thread suggested, that there may be more tapes out there. There are certainly more women. But his Campaign had no way to really assess the effect it would all have on his voters.

You now, as the media exposes more and more information, connecting the dots, it is apparent that Russia has been all over this. It is their operation top to bottom. Bolton has Russian connections. He is also tied in to Cambridge Analytica. Our new National Security Adviser! Bannon and Jared are tied to CA. CA did work in the UK for BREXIT. The Extreme Right is on the ascendancy all over Europe as Putin's agents of chaos exploit fears and divisions. It is safe to assume, IMO that members of Congress have been comprised and bought off. The Media needs to start looking at that. And the Koch brothers. I'm beginning to believe they are also part of the Russia conspiracy. I used to think they we re separate. But maybe not.

So as a distraction once again, Trump takes action again, per transgenders serving in the military.

And why isn't Caitlyn, among others, speaking out?

Expect this to head to the courts again.

Since we’re learning that the Stormy interview tonight is probably gonna be nothing but foreplay (her lawyer is seriously downplaying it on Twitter this morning), do we still think Trump is going to pardon Flynn or nuke California or something else nakedly desperate?

R429, except underage is very hard to prove. Even if Putin whipped out a birth certificate, he and his supporters will cry fake. No, if this happened and it's on tape, Trump probably can't remember exactly what he said or did and that's what worries him. He could have explicitly compared them to Ivanka, a tape recording of that would do damage. It would be worse than what he said on Howard Stern.

For all his apparent flamboyance, Trump is a very secretive person. Of course he is also craven and dishonest and one of the best manipulators our here. The thing is, he thought this had all been put to rest. He had things under control. (He is a controller.) Then she defied him, his thug lawyer, and said fuck you. So Trump is no longer in control and his thug lawyer is having problems with containment. And really this is about money. This is about illegally using campaign money to hush up a scandal during his campaign so that's the vulnerability.

The three major "No Pee Pee Tapes" Trolls this morning all started out as "I voted for Hillary!" fakers but then eventually ended up using the Approved Talking Points of how the interview tonight will be a nothing burger and that it will hurt the Democrats more than Trump.

Be aware of these Trolls. They ALL start off sounding like "I'm With Her!" Gays but they eventually reveal themselves to be Trolls/Plants.

Less pee pee, more money laundering!

I don’t doubt for an instant that the golden shower stuff happened. It totally fits his warped psychology. But I'm sick of everyone obsessing on the tapes. I want his ass taken down, and the best route to that is through financial records.

^^Deflection! Deflection!

ANYTHING that embarrasses Trump is part of taking him down, no matter how little a part.

There is nothing wrong with DISCUSSING the Pee Pee Tapes here at all. None of us are in Congress on investigating committees (well, maybe that one insider). You don't even want the Pee Pee Tapes MENTIONED, which reeks of Trump's own fears.

Stop with the Talking Points and the Approved Deflection, Trump Shill.

EXPOSED.

(He's one of three main Trolls here).

[quote]Are the Repug talking points tonight to just deny the pee pee tapes?

Yes, both Rush and Hannity tell their listeners constantly that everything mentioned in the Steele dossier has been proven fake.

If the pee tapes are true I think you seriously underestimate the damage that will be done. It's just sordid. It's so sordid. There aren't words that can minimize or spin what it is. Hookers, Russia, hotel, pee, watching. Whether it was private conduct or not, its repulsive. Few Republicans want to defend that, if not in the media during the brief firestorm, on the campaign trail in 18 and 20. It if were true and comes out it won't be shocking, because it's established, but it will be draining for being so rank.

I think tonight will be a bust. If Anderson's late Playmate with a heart of gold interview was any indication, these women only have so much to say or only so much they can say... so the interview drags out for ratings purposes. I was bored by the end of the Playmate. The only part I remember clearly was where she broke up with regret.

I was chatting with a reasonably informed person at a thing last night and they didn't even know the interview was being aired or much about Stormy Daniels (yet had a very low opinion of Trump.)

Oh, no! What a loss.

LMAO, R443.

Meanwhile, Trump sends out his friend, Chris Ruddy, to ABC to say Trump is perplexed where these reports of chaos and staff changes are coming from. Trump thinks the White House is running like a smooth machine.

[quote]If the pee tapes are true I think you seriously underestimate the damage that will be done. It's just sordid. It's so sordid. There aren't words that can minimize or spin what it is. Hookers, Russia, hotel, pee, watching.

Didn't you hear? The Christian right has declared that Trump has been cleansed of all these sins and has led a moral, upright life since he launched his winning Presidential run.

See also: Kim Davis.

While watching 60 Minutes, have a 'Bloody Orange and Stormy" or a few.

And enjoy with a frisky gentleman, not alone.

I wonder if the NCAA basketball tournament game goes long tonight, and especially if it's close, will that make the 60 Minutes piece even more highly-rated?

It could become the most-watched segment for Anderson Cooper forever, if not the biggest 60 Minutes edition ever, and I hope it is at least half worth the hype and anticipation.

Are you kidding, Trumpers and many GOPers are secretly delighting in the idea that Trump had hookers pee on a bed the Obamas used. They love this. "Why this man has balls of concrete to do that. Take that you Kenyan born Mooslim blah blah drool."

People are seriously underestimating how low and despicable these people are. They can't be reasoned with. Stop trying. They must be defeated. Unconditional surrender. Just like Churchill demanded of the nazis.

R426 is an incredibly weak argument, as someone else has already stated.

He didn't have to stay in the room. No one said it even happened in the evening. It could have very well happened right before he left. Some account say that if it did happen it had to happen between the hours of of like 2 and 6 am. He could have just left after it was done.

Second, incredibly naive to think that celebrities give a shit what hotel staff think about them. They don't even think about people that are staff. Especially if they're foreign.

I'd like to take a moment to express my love for the discussion and comparison of Obama and Trump to Othello and Iago. Most astute, and just one of the many reasons I adore these threads.

I am sure I will be disappointed in the Stormy interview, but I am so excited at the moment. She's one of the only people he has not shot his mouth off about, and I find that compelling. The interview will savage his ego.

[quote]^^Deflection! Deflection! ANYTHING that embarrasses Trump is part of taking him down, no matter how little a part. There is nothing wrong with DISCUSSING the Pee Pee Tapes here at all. None of us are in Congress on investigating committees (well, maybe that one insider). You don't even want the Pee Pee Tapes MENTIONED, which reeks of Trump's own fears. Stop with the Talking Points and the Approved Deflection, Trump Shill. EXPOSED.

Regardless of what side of the aisle you are on, you are as annoying as a troll. Shut the fuck up already.

Kyle Griffin @kylegriffin1 : Two sources familiar with the situation tell the Daily Beast that the White House press operation has at least one person whose job it is to monitor the latest developments on Stormy Daniels.

What an effective use of our tax dollars!

More to r443 / r444--

President Donald Trump's attorney announced Sunday that a veteran Washington husband-and-wife legal duo will not join Trump's team handling the Russia probe.

"The President is disappointed that conflicts prevent Joe diGenova and Victoria Toensing from joining the President's Special Counsel legal team," his lawyer, Jay Sekulow, said in a statement. "However, those conflicts do not prevent them from assisting the President in other legal matters. The President looks forward to working with them."

Sekulow announced Monday that diGenova, a former US attorney for the District of Columbia, would be joining the team, and sources told CNN that he and Toensing met with Trump on Thursday. One source said the President liked the pair's message, but was not convinced they were right for the legal jobs.

Trump's lead lawyer, John Dowd, resigned from Trump's personal legal team on the same day of the meeting as his disagreements with the President intensified and the President stepped up attacks on special counsel Robert Mueller.

[bold]The reversal Sunday leaves Trump's legal team with diminished resources as Mueller's probe intensifies.[/bold]

Anyone for a Dark and Stormy?

"Conflicts" prevent their hiring? Oh my sides. In other words, they didn't give him the guarantees he wanted, or pledge to do his bidding at all costs to career, license, or conscience, I would guess.

Isn't it also odd that the fatman has been relatively quiet on Twitter this weekend? Are they making sure he is always golfing or eating? Is TV reception down at his resort?

There are the Trump supporters who think it is virile and masterful Trump has laid porn stars and Playboy bunnies. Then there are the rigid, selective, and fundamental evangelicals that think like this:

[quote]it is virile and masterful Trump has laid porn stars and Playboy bunnies.

Do the deplorables think these particular categories of ladies are very discerning beyond the $$$?

I recall lots of Trump voters saying that Melania was "classy", so you're dealing with a much lower bar with these people.

Deplorables will do and say anthing to defend their hero. They would approve of canibalism and pedophilia if that gets revealed about Trump. What other choice do they have? They are stuck with him. And they like it.

r455.....or they are even too batshit for Trump.....or, after meeting with Trump, they realized he was going down and dont want to be associated with the takedown.

The thing that amazes me the most is that we were all talking about this shit a good 6 months BEFORE the election.......the Russian meddling, Trumps ties to Russia, Trumps affairs, etc.......seriously. Nobody WANTED to pay attention until AFTER it was too late.....voters and MSM alike.

Karen McDougall’s interview was ultimately a snoozefest. Stormy’s will be anything but so at least it will be entertaining. For one thing I doubt she’ll apologize to Melania. If anything she’ll say she was no better than a orostitute herself.

R448 Not really... they don't seem to really like it when it's brought up. It's less a deplorable action and more of an extremely embarrassing action. It's easy to point and laugh at him and anybody who defends it and say how much they love pee and watersports. And these people HATE being laughed at.

Like the diaper boy at Kent State basically ruined their youth conservative group because people online wouldn't stop laughing at him and their group. Had that idiot not showed his adult baby fetish, that youth group and republicans in general could've easily twisted any criticism of their little "protest" as liberals being triggered.

I'm hoping Stormy will be the tomato who'll bring that small potatoes down.

[quote]I recall lots of Trump voters saying that Melania was "classy", so you're dealing with a much lower bar with these people.

They refuse to acknowledge facts, and construct entire worlds that support the reality in which to live.

We have all been fucked by the president.

We are all Stormy Daniels!

OMG 465, is that for real? Yes, Mel is quite easy on the eyes in the raw. I’m a big fan of nudity. But not in the hypocritical context of slamming Mrs Obama. He’s an insane dolt.

Snopes says he never said that. But if he didn't say that, he probably kept his mouth shut while before he was nattering on about Michelle.

It amazes me how many people (women mostly, from what I've seen) criticized Michelle for being "trashy" while talking about Melania as if she was pure class. Disgusting racists.

[quote]"Conflicts" prevent their hiring? Oh my sides. In other words, they didn't give him the guarantees he wanted, or pledge to do his bidding at all costs to career, license, or conscience, I would guess.

It is also possible the darling duo has some pesky payments in their bank accounts from a foreign government recently in the news.

Robert Mueller may just want to know the details of this chat with private attorneys, which is not covered by either attorney-client privilege or executive privilege.

deplorables don't know what classy is, they don't have money in the stock market and they don't care if he raped that 14 year old who ALSO got paied off at the same time as stormy.

A woman who had accused Donald Trump of raping her when she was a 13-year-old dropped her lawsuit against the Republican nominee on Friday.

One of the accuser’s attorneys, Thomas Meagher, filed a in district court in New York late on Friday. Neither he nor a second attorney listed immediately responded to questions about the document.

The woman, who had filed suit earlier this year under the pseudonym Jane Doe, had alleged that Trump and billionaire Jeffrey Epstein had raped her in 1994, when she was a 13-year-old aspiring model.

Lbh, if the pee pee tape exists and falls into the hands of the media, it will receive WALL TO WALL coverage with tiny pixelations, I’m sure. It will all be over.

^that should be it's own thread. Everyone forgot about that.

It is newly relevant because it fits the same MO as stormy. She was ready to talk, and then something changed.

Mr. Green must have arrived, as they say.

[quote]Lbh, if the pee pee tape exists and falls into the hands of the media, it will receive WALL TO WALL coverage with tiny pixelations, I’m sure.

I don't think they make pixels that small.

And there will be urination sound effects.

[quote] "Conflicts" prevent their hiring? Oh my sides. In other words, they didn't give him the guarantees he wanted, or pledge to do his bidding at all costs to career, license, or conscience, I would guess.

I think the conflicts are quite real. That bitch, Victoria Toensing, is already representing that enormous fat cow, Sam Clovis. It is very possible that Trump's and Clovis's interests are at odds, and it would be a serious conflict for them to share representation.

13 year old girl? Jesus, that is still a child.

It's a good thing Clovis works for the Department of Agriculture, or he might be coming for YOUR food next.

I wonder if they used the carrot or the stick to get rid of the teenager. She claims that she dropped the suit because of threats, but maybe she was also paid by the lawyer.... is anyone looking in to this or is it in the past?

If DJT was a salesman in a paint store, none of these bitches would bother wiping their feet on him. He would still have affairs. But they would be the Kim the Clerk types: adulterous, hypocritical, and well below attractive.

Who is this Gina Loudon, spinning for Trump on CNN now? Is Paris on vacation or Team Trump wants a white female deflecting about the sex & Russher scandals?

What is CNN accomplishing with these staged, annoying debates?

part 18 - so I wonder what number we'll be on when Trump leaves the White House? I'm guessing 25.

r480....its called pandering.....God forbid they should be accused o being bias......CNN lost all credibility with their "both sides" bullshit....especially since they give these idiots airtime and never call them out on their lies and deflections.

Stormy to Melania: "You ARE a whore, darlin'!"

How incompetent does the Trump team have to be to not realize those conflicts because they announced the hiring of these attorneys.

And if it’s about conflicts, why did Trump meet with the attorneys and then complain about not having chemistry with them? Who wastes the President’s time setting meetings with people who are unavailable to him?

Do you think he’s gonna be live-tweeting the Stormy interview tonight? Wouldn’t that be fantastically entertaining?

R485, it would be too much to ask for.

Time for your sedative, Mr President

If you're totally innocent of everything, why do you need to keep changing attorneys and have morphing "legal strategies?"

Truth from the beautiful Judd Legum:

CNN is reading from the transcript of the interview (which has been postponed due to a basketball game).

So far, no major surprises.

The NYTimes seems to have the content of it as well.

the transcript.....

Anderson Cooper: You seem to be saying that she has some sort of text message, or video, or-- or photographs. Or you could just be bluffing.

Michael Avenatti: You should ask some of the other people in my career when they've bet on me bluffing.

How can they release the transcript prior to broadcasting the interview??

r494.....see r492

So now the question is do they have proof of the sex (which I don't think anyone seriously doubts) or the threats?

The former is blah, the latter could be bigly.

Thanks for the transcript. This is going to blow up in Trump’s face. The illegal contribution and paying off a porn star before the election are federal offenses. Stormy is going to publish all the videos and photos

Yes this could turn out to be big trouble for Trump if the contribution does turn out to be illegal.

She reminds me of an aging version of Steven's little wife, Sammy Jean.

Sure sounds like a campaign expense.

Sure hope it was reported on the right Federal Election Commission forms.

Sammy Jo

Oh, yes. So bad with names.

I don't want to see Trump's dick

The average income of a Trump supporter was reported as somewhere around $70,000. So they're not po' folk. They have retirement savings invested in IRAs. They have real estate they depend on Social Security and Medicare. They are all going to feel the pinch from the volatility of the stock market and from the spending and tax cuts Trump and his GOP buddies gave them. The ones who need healthcare are going to have a rude awakening when they see how Trump and his Cabinet have manipulated the ACA to rob it of it's stability. The jobs he promised aren't there and his trade policies and his tariffs sound great but the impact will really hit a lot of them. So little by little t hey are going to peel away except for the hardcore racists. But by 2020 if he's still around, his approval numbers will be around 22%.

The biggest thing to come out of the 60 Minutes thing was the interview with the guy who used to chair the Federal Election Commission.

The one who said it's actually WORSE that Michael Cohen wasn't reimbursed by Trump. Because that makes it more likely to be seen as an in-kind campaign contribution that's $126,500 over the legal limit.

[quote] Who wastes the President’s time setting meetings with people who are unavailable to him?

I mean, with this guy does it really matter? He wastes enough of his own time during the day. He watches Faux News and tweets. If you look at his schedule it is mostly filled with "executive time." Which means TV, Twitter, and stuffing his fat face. He hardly ever works.

[quote]They are all going to feel the pinch from the volatility of the stock market and from the spending and tax cuts Trump and his GOP buddies gave them.

Here's some things I have heard from well-to-do Republicans that I know:

"He's a disgusting human being, but I agree with a lot of his economic policies (particularly tax reform, revising the Dodd Franks bank regulations,etc.)"

"I underestimated just how unhinged he is. And I was naive in believing there are enough Republicans around to act as a check on his wildest impulses."

"I believe we must maintain the integrity of our borders"

"I am much in favor of restoring balance to our court system"

"My hope is the Democrats will take back the house of representatives in November which will shake up the surviving Republicans enough to finally face up to belling the cat. But I have no hope Trump will have an epiphany."

So Trump’s penchant for not paying for services rendered could end up being his undoing. Sweet.

[quote] If you look at his schedule it is mostly filled with "executive time." Which means TV, Twitter, and stuffing his fat face.

You wouldn't believe how much of that time is spent in the bathroom, his poor, diseased body trying to deal with that diet.

Well, it looks like this title was appropriate for part 18 as it lasted through the interview.

What should the next one be?

Treason to Believe

Give Me One Treason to Stay Here

(as the remnants of the White House staff and Melania contemplate fleeing)

A Dry, White Treason

13 Treasons Why

Those have all been done (aside from 'A Dry, White Treason.')

To Everything There Is a Treason

Lovin', Touchin', Treason.

R516 has my vote.

I like R515.

I like a 'dry white treason'.

The Age of Treason

R515 and R520 was saving those for when things really got underway (and for when we run out of good alternatives). But if the consensus is to use them now we can do that.

I like Lovin', Touchin, Treason...

But not sure that many would get the reference?

Treason doth never prosper. What's the Reason? For if it prosper None dare call it Treason.

Lovin', Touchin', Treason is awesome given the current news, but doesn't (yet) have a tie to the Mueller Investigation Part X).

Dangerous Treāsons?

Could we wait about another 70 posts or so before trying to decide what the next thread title should be?

If you were a Treason, what kind of Treason Would you Be?

R525 because if history has shown us one thing, these threads have a tendency to fill up out of nowhere. It's also easier to get suggestions when the thread is slow.

Give me one good treason, on good treason to stay. aah aah aah AAH!

Can we get back to the news? Let's not waste the seventy boxes we have left.

So it's over and done, and Trumpf stayed silent and kept his finger off his twitter feed. And I'm glad Rachel Maddow's prediction did not come true.

There’s a potentially big story brewing about a consultant of Stormy getting her house blown up the same night another consultant of Stormy’s car blew up.

Check out these two tweets...

And this one...

whatever is on the DVD is a matter of national security, imo. Other nations could have a copy for all we know.

was r531 mentioned on the show?

It was another consultant whose car was blown up, not the one on Twitter. This happened when both were helping Stormy mount a Senate run against David Vitter in Louisiana. It happened after Stormy reached out to Trump as a possible campaign donor.

Oops, I wasn't reading carefully—didn't realize the woman consultant's house blew up along with the other one's car. HOLY SHIT!

Don't know if any of these have been used:

Man for all Treasons Reason for the Treason One Good Treason Tryan' to Find a Treason Lookin for a Treason Treason to Believe Give Me One GoodTreason

Oops Man for all Treasons

Reason for the Treason

One Good Treason

Tryin' to Find a Treason

Lookin' for a Treason

Treason to Believe

Give Me One Good Treason

Thanks, R537. Most of those were used.

Background on Stormy's aborted Senate run. Evidently only the car bombing was public knowledge until now.

A Dry, White Treason is perfect in every respect.

So has it been revealed what was on the disc Stormy Daniels' lawyer tweeted?

OP, at first I hated it, but to this day, I still sing "Trees -on, trees -on down the road...." I know a lot of posters didn't care for it, but the trick was you really had to sing it to yourself to understand it's brilliance! lol

Agree with A Dry White Treason.

Also agree with R542. I am singing it right now.

Treasons Change

Treasons in the Sun

A Change of Treasons

He said she reminded him of his daughter.

And then he fucked her.

And he is on record stating he’s pedo, sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein’s friend. I believe Trump raped that 13 year old girl.

Trump reminds me of Noah Cross, as immortalised by John Huston in 'Chinatown.'

"Politicians, ugly buildings, and whores all get respectable if they last long enough."

Trump has to know though that he can't possibly cling to that self-fulfilling fantasy. He won't last long enough; and couldn't anyway get close to being respectable if he lived till the end of time.

Our Foriegn Policy is apparently for sale now. This is a MUST read. Hundreds of millions of dollars to this guy.

“Mueller probe witness secretly backed UAE agenda in Congress”

George Nader, an adviser to the UAE who is now a witness in the U.S. special counsel investigation into foreign meddling in American politics, wired $2.5 million to the Trump fundraiser, Elliott Broidy, through a company in Canada, according to two people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter. They said Nader paid the money to Broidy to bankroll an effort to persuade the U.S. to take a hard line against Qatar, a long-time American ally but now a bitter adversary of the UAE. ——- In October, Broidy also raised the issue of Qatar at the White House in meetings with Trump and senior aides.

The details of Broidy’s advocacy on U.S. legislation have not been previously reported. The AP found no evidence that Broidy used Nader’s funds for the campaign donations or broke any laws. At the time of the advocacy work, his company, Circinus, did not have business with the UAE, but was awarded a more than $200 million contract in January.

The sanctions bill was approved by Royce’s committee in late 2017. It remains alive in the House of Representatives, awaiting a review by the House Financial Services Committee.

[quote]Our Foriegn Policy is apparently for sale now. This is a MUST read. Hundreds of millions of dollars to this guy.

Who, let us not forget, is a convicted pedophile. (Nader)

Funny how every single trail in this mess leads to Russia and pedos.

There is a treason, turn, turn, turn, and a time for every purpose under heaven

@AP

United States expels 60 Russian diplomats, orders Seattle consulate shuttered in response to UK spy case.

No wonder these threads fill up so quickly. Beginning at R200, it becomes a game to think up the next cutesy poo title for the next thread.

No one is serving up any good information anymore, no one is stating their opinion anymore but everyone is chomping at the bit to see who can come up with the most clever and most witty thread title.

Carry on, morons.

R552... sounds like you're worried. Must be rough being a low rate troll.

R507, so basically, as with W Bush, they ended up admitting that we were right about everything we said before the election. And then look for them to completely forget that lesson when the next election rolls around.

R552 to your point, just call it the Mueller Investigation. Perhaps the posters with some inside tidbits would come back and post.

Media is a whore who sells the narrative of the highest bidder to the masses.

We are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past, because our media culture frowns upon anyone using critical thinking skills (WE tell you what to think and believe! WE tell you which side you should beregarding this issue or topic!).

Instead of humanity doing groudbreaking stuff we are constantly fixing things from the past and then repeat those mistakes, because apparently we had so much fun fixing the same mistake in the past. When you constantly have to fix things you have no time to really move forward. In the end conservatives win by holding humanity back and keep the status quo alive for a little bit longer to benefit from it.

So this Andy C. fellow is the 'pussy fixer' for DT?

R557, who is "Andy C."? Got a link?

Lol, it would not be Andy Cohen, r556; try Gary C.

I was so confused wondering how the hell Andy Cohen became a "pussy fixer" for anyone, let alone Dear Leader.

r557, not 556

Gary Cohn is Trump's personal lawyer.

R561, could you possibly mean Michael?

Mindy, perhaps?

Yes, it is Michael Cohen, r562

Last July, James Mattis and Rex Tillerson arranged a tutoring session at the Pentagon for President Donald Trump in the secure, windowless meeting room known as “The Tank.” The plan was to lay out why American troops are deployed in far-flung places across the globe, like Japan and South Korea. Mattis spoke first.

“The postwar, rules-based international order is the greatest gift of the greatest generation,” Mattis told the president, according to two meeting attendees. The secretary of defense walked the president through the complex fabric of trade deals, military agreements and international alliances that make up the global system the victors established after World War II, touching off what one attendee described as a “food fight” and a “free for all” with the president and the rest of the group.

Trump punctuated the session by loudly telling his secretaries of state and defense, at several points during the meeting, “I don’t agree!” The meeting culminated with Tillerson, his now ousted secretary of state, fatefully complaining after the president left the room, that Trump was “a fucking moron.”

You just know if any of these fuckers go to jail, Ivanka is gonna start crying about how her dad molested her in an attempt to not be jailed, as though that is an excuse for treason and money laundering.

Re: R566. What we know is beyond bad enough, so what we don't know has to be staggering.

We know that Trump casually mentioned on record that he was smarter than 'his' Generals. Link @ R566 puts some toxic flesh on that brittle bone.

Tillerson was sacked for being right. Some comfort in knowing he's on the right side of history.

I somehow missed something. How did CBS get the go ahead to air the Stormy interview if Orange had won Arbitration?

There is no right side of the history for conservative Republicans. Tillerson thought he could control Trump to do his (and the people backing Tillerson's) bidding, but he just couldn't deal with Trump's self serving lunacy.

Because fuck ‘em.

Orange has been completely quiet about the Stormy interview, right? It must be killing him. Someone must either have very good control of him now or they hid his phone.

What was brilliant about the Stormy thing is that he was fucked. He couldn't say anything because it would fuck him over even more.

Stormy FTW.

He can't say anything because he knows she can nuke his ass.

BTW - Someone should ask him "What good are Nukes if you can't use them"?

If he Tweets anything it's basically admitting she's telling the truth... if he Tweets something calling her a liar and she has proof... he's even more fucked.

I just laugh knowing that he's literally probably going (more) insane wanting to Tweet something calling her a whore liar but he can't.

She bested him.

What next? Another assault on transgenders to deflect and pander to his base?

He sent some vague tweet about Fake News, as usual, which some believe refers to the interview. He really can't seem to mention her or the scandal by name for some reason *lol*

For anybody who recalls Rachel Maddow's Friday show, I'm just glad her prediction didn't come true.

What was the prediction, R577?

r577.....Ill take the bait since youve mentioned it several times.....what was the prediction ?

And what is Stormy's hot Attorney up to? Has he Tweeted anything?

She predicated that Trump might pardon Flynn on Sunday in an effort to deflect.

Everything Happens For a Treason.

Treason For Being

Even Megyn Kelly is going after Cohen.

In Treason We Trust

Treason On the Side

And she's going after Lewandowski too.

60 Minute Treason

I Have My Eyes on Treason

New thread for when this maxes out.

Some great suggestions for new thread titles. I'll keep them on the list.

Someone please link to the new thread when we get to the last of these posts.

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