Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17)

Love the title, how apt now that dear Stormy is in the mix.

He has so many fronts open right now. Better get some more golfing in to compose himself while he still can because lord knows there won't be much golfing in Rikers.

This Facebook/Cambridge Analytica shit is creepy as fuck.

“It was Bannon’s interest in culture as war that ignited Wylie’s intellectual concept. But it was Robert Mercer’s millions that created a firestorm. Kogan was able to throw money at the hard problem of acquiring personal data: he advertised for people who were willing to be paid to take a personality quiz on Amazon’s Mechanical Turk and Qualtrics. At the end of which Kogan’s app, called thisismydigitallife, gave him permission to access their Facebook profiles. And not just theirs, but their friends’ too. On average, each “seeder” – the people who had taken the personality test, around 320,000 in total – unwittingly gave access to at least 160 other people’s profiles, none of whom would have known or had reason to suspect.”

Earlier, it was thought that Mueller may have been lenient, accommodating, or giving Trump some benefit of the doubt. Not anymore. The trashing of FBI personnel, and another blatant obstruction move, the gloves will be off. Some new, major indictments are coming soon.

“Massachusetts residents deserve answers immediately from Facebook and Cambridge Analytica. We are launching an investigation,” Maura Healey said on Twitter in a post that linked to a New York Times report on the issue.

[quote]Some new, major indictments are coming soon.

Could one of you guys DM me about this pre-lubing stuff? There's no point making this any worse than it has to be.

^ Jared

So “seeders” were the people who submitted an online quiz...the quiz gained access to not only the “seeders” data, but also reached into the data of the “seeders” friends.

Ok...so how did they weapnize this stolen information...was it used for “psychological” warfare? Bannon considered it cultural.

So does Putin have a way to turn people into zombies? Just through psychology, propaganda & technology?

How do we protect ourselves from being turned into zombies?

Did Putin invent T as a joke and/or proof of concept? Look what he was able to get the West to do...without us even realizing. He successfully tricked us into thinking men are women. If you convince people of that, you can convince people of anything.

Who knew propaganda was so powerful.

FB is the Leni Riefenstahl of social media. Thanks, FB.

This FB/Cambridge stuff is freaking major. Facebook and the internet in general is gonna undergo some giant, fundamental changes in the near future.

Can the next thread be Beyond a Treasonable Doubt, or was that done already?

Oh I like that r10. Especially since that is quickly becoming the case.

Have we done "For Treasons of Insanity?"

Rupert Murdoch had to relinquish his Australian citizenship when he obtained U.S. citizenship for business ventures.

Fox News is helping to facilitate this obstruction; apparently given talking-points two weeks or so in advance prior to a Trumpian obstructive move. What talking heads at Fox have been saying about Andy McCabe has been vicious.

If Congress was worth a shit, they would be calling Murdoch in to answer some tough questions.

Oh, Michael Avenatti, baby! A MAN in the mix, instead of these ancient Republican trolls! They're scared, Michael. Bring it on. Bring it on NOW!!!!!!

R10 and R12 those were already done.

Denying someone their pension 26 hours before his retirement day is as low as hell. The man worked 21 years for the FBI.

Hopefully he can sue to receive his retirement benefits. And, he gets the last laugh.

Link to the previous thread.

Shit is getting real - I am finally feeling hopeful that this corruption and heinousness will be dealt with.

The report and shut-down of the House Intelligence Committee was part of the set-up for this obstructive conspiracy. Nunes is Paul Ryan's point guy. Ryan is overseeing corruption to protect a President that is a puppet of a major foreign adversary.

First Comey’s memos and now McCabe’s memos. Trump is going to be taken down by his own words.

Joy Reid tweeted that a Republican source is calling McCabe’s memos the new Pentagon Papers.

I keep wanting to relish in the thought that Dump and crew are scared shitless but then I think about what what disgusting people they are and get struck with the feeling that they don't care. They're brazen and believe they'll get away with all of it like they always do.

And then Im the one that becomes scared shitless that they will.

Hold me David...

I think they will get away with it. I think the only way to succeed in overthrowing trump is through voting the corrupt out. But I do not think he is going to jail and I do not think he's going to lose his ill-gotten money and at this point I don't care. I just want him and his ilk out.

They put their trust in some war distraction, I am sure they will call any opposition to their distraction the real enemy of the US for not standing by its side at a time of need. And the Republican owned media will push that message down everyone's throat.

McCabes notes will be interesting.....remember Trump called him to the white house a day or so before he fired Comey. Did Trump tell him what his plans were ? Did he ask him to swear his loyalty ? Trump very well could have opened Pandoras Box on himself.

I will add that I never trusted McCabe...especially since that meeting with Trump.......but what Trump did was vile.

Meanwhile, as some of you might not have heard, Michael Flynn was stumping for a Republican candidate at a fund raiser in Palm Springs last night. And the crowd cheered when he was introduced. Even now, I am still shocked at the arrogance of these corrupt scumbags.

I tried posting a link but it's Breitbart and apparently DL won't allow it. haha (good for them).

Steve Huffman CEO of reddit basically refuses to do anything about the fact that the site has been used for spreading russian/trump/white supremacist propaganda for years now. Gamergate on reddit was pretty much ground zero, and Bannon used gamergate to recruit angry, sexually frustrated, white straight cis men. They have radicalized to the point where the main Trump sub promoted Charlotteville and a man who went on that sub killed his own father, so they are partially responsible for two known murders. Huffman only bans the garbage subs when they get too much attention from the media or they do things to people they shouldn't (namely celebrities and sites he pairs reddit with, like imgur). However he's a right wing doomsdayer who believes he will be a leader instead of a slave if society collapses so it's very likely he WANTS society to collapse, and of course he gets a lot of money from the Trump sub like how twitter gets a lot of money from Trump's account.

Facebook and twitter are having to answer shit in this investigation so here's hoping reddit will too.

r25....the reception he received was appalling. They were cheering like he was a rock star. I felt ashamed that Americans would treat a potential traitor like that.....then I remembered how they react to Trump. I dont care how offended the right get....theyre antiAmerican and traitors as well..... they are lower than deplorable. I dont care how nice you are to my face, if you support the GOP, you support this vile garbage that has been foisted on America....so you are guilty as well. If it bothers you, grow some balls and leave your party......voicing your concerns without decisive action is meaningless.....just like thoughts and prayers.

Which makes you think how doomed we are.... people have no officially passed into a world where facts don't matter... it's what you believe. Whatever is proven about Flynn, about anyone, it doesn't matter anymore, because we all get to choose what we believe.

Fucked up. I blame iTunes.

Watch Billy Bush talk about Trump on Bill Maher from last night. It gets especially interesting at about the 3:55 mark, and make sure you watch until the 5:20 mark.

Its not all people, r28. It's a fringe group of losers who went out and voted when a huge number didn't because Hilary wasn't as exciting as Obama. That mistake won't be made in the next elections, as you can see from more recent ones where Democrats won big in red states.

R25, R27, don't assume that crowd was real. Everything about these people is fraudulent. They could easily have paid for some or all of Flynn's enthusiastic "supporters."

Everyone I know was excited about Hillary. Pantsuit Nation was evidence of it. Every woman I know wore white or dressed on a pantsuit on Election Day. We were super excited and then the election was literally stolen.

No newspaper has ever done an article about how excited women were. We were. But it didn’t fit the narrative.

Tell that to college educated white women who voted for Trump en masse

In today's Retarded Trump Administration News, a White House staffer wrote his super-secret email address and encrypted password on a piece of WH stationery and left it at a bus stop, whereupon it was delivered to the website The Intercept.

The white house is considering rehiring John McEntee....the aide who was escorted off the property last week.....because they feel he was treated unfairly. (he couldnt get a security clearance because hes a habitual gambler spending as much as 10,000. per week....where does he get that kind of money ?)

Meaning Trump is an unhappy baby who wants his toy back.

Michael Avenatti needs to fuck me RIGHT NOW!

There's datalounge for you, always concerned with the most pertinent things.

I want Michael Avenatti inside me quite deeply.

R33, you have white women confused with white men. Look it up, and don’t bother reposting it here, as I am concerned with Trump’s treason, not Putin’s and Bernie’s mutual fake narrative about the WWc.

R33, the majority of white women is heterosexual. They partner with straight white men.

And guess what? Many of them love their husbands, & agree with them. It works for them.

But stop acting like all women support women’s rights. That’s not true. And neither is it true that all gays support gays. Just look at Roy Cohn. Nor do all blacks support BLM.

We’ve always had Anita Bryant & Phyllis Schaffley & we probably always will. But stop blaming Trump on white women. Blame it on the Russians, the deplorables & the goddam BernieBros.

[quote]the majority of white women is heterosexual.

NOT being a grammar queen, I promise. But is there one out there who could tell me if this is correct? It looks right, right? "Majority" is singular. But it sounds wrong to my ear. Anyone know?

[quote]Better get some more golfing in to compose himself while he still can

You know who's not golfing today?

Who says I can't issue subpoenas from the golf course?

You know the answer to this, R42. It's not right, it doesn't even look right. It's "the majority of white women ARE . . ."

Cambridge Analytica had contact in 2014 and 2015 with executives from Lukoil, the Russian oil giant, NYT reports.

Lukoil was interested in how data was used to target American voters, according to two former company insiders.

[quote]It's a fringe group of losers who went out and voted when a huge number didn't because Hilary wasn't as exciting as Obama.

And yet she won the popular vote by millions. As it turns out Cambridge Analytica was responsible to give the win to Trump by figuring out to work the electoral college in their, Trump's, favor.

I am LOVING all these Cambridge Analytica stories. Please don’t let these get lost in the usual avalanche.

I worked at DOJ while Mr. Mueller was head of the Criminal Division during Bush I. All other Assistant AGs were more or less forgettable. but Mr. Mueller stood out. People were scared by him, but not because he was mean or vindictive. He was more than a straight arrow. He was a guided missile--complete focus on work, no chit-chat and seemingly omnipresent and omniscient. My boss who reported directly to him basically had to be near a phone (pre-cell phones) during all "off-hours" just in case RSM III would call. Woe unto him/her who was not immediately available. Trump's gripe with the DAG is not that he appointed a special counsel, but that he appointed this very special counsel. If Karma is a bitch, you know Karma's name by now.

Ari Melber: I wrote this in February because of clues that Trump’s team learned Nixon’s lesson & could pursue a *slow motion* Saturday Night Massacre. The next massacre may not announce itself, may appear legal at first, and it may not even directly target Mueller...

After Flynn in Cali, now Palin. Rounding the usual suspects. People, the midterms will get nasty.

[quote]Sarah Palin headlines event at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club

Cambridge Analytica was doing her thing back in the 2014 mid-term elections, and it employed Britons and Canadians.

We never stood a chance, did we? Everyone was against us.

Canada was being a little naughty it seems.

Anyway, apparently Channel 4 went undercover @ Cambridge Analytica and they have footage !!!!

So what's this about Trump's lawyer saying it's time to dump Moeller this morning? Are you kidding me? Has there been much response to this?

[quote]Tell that to college educated white women who voted for Trump en masse

White, college-educated women who voted for Clinton: 56%

White, college-educated men who voted for Trump: 58%

Trump is another problem caused by men.

I'm at the point now where I think Trump will probably end up firing Mueller, R54.

And, hopefully, it will be the last thing he ever does.

So how big is this guy’s Italian cock?

Next thread title? How about:

The Mark (Zuckerberg) of Treason

[quote]Trump is another problem caused by men

To be more specific, White men from middle America handed Trump the win.

Black men didn't bother to vote, either. All men need to wake up or we need to hold them accountable for their inability to evolve and educate themselves. Perhaps we disenfranchise them for a century or so until they learn their lesson. Trump is the outcome of male entitlement and ignorance and all three of those things need to come to an abrupt end.

Uhh, this black man voted. And it wasn't for Trump.

What's true is that the fringes of the coalition that elected Obama peeled off for various reasons. What's also true is the same thing will happen to the Trump coalition. In fact, it's already happening.

Bullshit, Hilkary won the popular vote by a huge margin, more than Obama did in his second term, as it happens.

The election was hacked. Stop getting distracted by disinformation lies courtesy of Trump, Putin and BernieBros.

Trump will find a way to fire Mueller. It's inevitable. Everybody know it. But as I've posted before. Mueller knows it. And I'm sure he has people in place to immediately take over his investigation when it does.

We still have a long, long, long way to go folks! And still no way to tell what the outcome will be.

[quote] R42: the majority of white women is heterosexual. NOT being a grammar queen, I promise. But is there one out there who could tell me if this is correct? It looks right, right? "Majority" is singular. But it sounds wrong to my ear. Anyone know?

R42 is correct, and R45 is not correct. Imagine if you wrote “the majority is heterosexual”. We’d all agree with that. If you wrote “the majority are heterosexual”, you’d know it was wrong.

Not punctuation, just school grammar.

Who is the second in charge if Mueller goes?

I think Trump will try to fire Mueller; however, I understand Trump, or whomever, can’t fire him without the reason meeting certain specific criteria. Mueller is a lot smarter than Trump, of the double digit IQ, so I hope he knows not to give Trump’s henchman an excuse.

Mueller probably has indictments that have been already approved by the DOJ. I am sure if he gets fire, the case is already in motion for others to take over like Virginia,New York State, and other members of the special council.

Obviously I don't know how it works, (if someone reading this does, please chip in and explain....) but I think Trump and his team's strategy is to avoid firing Mueller and just shut down the Special Counsel altogether. The first step was Devon "No-Nuts" Nunes shutting down the Congress investigation earlier this week. (which seems like a month ago now!). Is there some legal yet unethical way they can get away with doing that?

Nunes shutting down the Congress investigation was pointless in either direction since it was a bogus investigation anyway.

Believe it or not, republicans are getting some heat about the House investigation being shut down. If the shit hits the fan, it will be interesting to see what they do....and if its done in a panic.

The Congressional investigation likely shut down because Nunes et al did not want to reveal what they already know and were hopeful trump would fire Mueller. I understand that if trump fires Mueller the investigation will continue in some other way (heard it described but forgot how). The evidence is mostly in and preserved in multiple locations. trump will be unable to hide from the truth, he will be ousted and there will be dancing in the streets.

Just came across this. Nunes has top secret clearance revoked.

^^^^ Holy Fuk! If that's true

OK. This is big. For a while I was giving Steve Bannon the lunatic racist, the benefit of the doubt. He was all wrapped up with the Mercers, and Cambridge Analytica, and they were fucking around with "voter behavior" bullshit. I said he was probably not part of the inner circle that was making deals with Russia. I figured that was Jared, Donnie, Jr. Ivanka, and Flynn. Of course the circle also included Carter Page, Michael Cohen, and George Popadopoulis at various times.

But Bannon the opposite is true. Bannonn, while not part of the inner circle, was up to his eyelashes in this shit. And Jared oversaw it. Especially the part about conspiring with Russia to interfere in our election. I wasn't convinced a direct link between the Mercers and the Russians existed. Until tonight. the NYT has an investigative piece the outlines all of it and names names.

Which means that Bannon and Rebecca Mercer are in deep shit. There top guy was questioned by British Parliament, and denied he every had any dealings with the Russians. But he lied. In fact he was working with... a Russian Oil man. So there it is. A direct link between Cambridge Analytica, Russia, and the Trumps, and another oil or gas connection.

BTW Michael Flynn made an appearance for some asshole who is running against Maxine Waters...for the second or third time. He is an avid Trump supporter and he is also a very shady character. Maxine beat him by more than 52% last year, with like 70+ % of the vote. The event was a small fundraiser . So maybe there were a couple hundred people there. MAYBE.

His audacity going out to campaign for a Pro Trump loser, is sending the signal that he is still part of the gang, still defiant, and probably will not tell Mueller's people the truth. Why are these people, Trump and his entire crew so cocky?Why do they act like they are going to get away with it?

We need to start seeing serious push back very soon. Some entity needs to file a lawsuit so we can hear from the SCOTUS. I need to see a judge rule against Trump in these matters.

I'm telling you people that this quarter and the third quarter are going to be make or break for this country.

The authoritarians are going to start pulling out all of the stops to consolidate their power and dare anyone to cross them. They are a minority but they will continue to act with impuinity.

Be ready. Keep your powder dry. You'll know what to do when the time comes. Trust your instincts.

R73 that is old news. The date on the article is May 2017.

r73....that is old news...its also why Nunes stated he had not read any of the supposed evidence he used in his infamous "memo"....and why Trey Gowdy had to be the one to review it.

This tweet by retired 4 star general McCaffrey is um, ominous.

[quote]Putin has for some reason controlling sway over the President. Peril.

Did Adam Schiff just delete a tweet calling for an investigation on Cambridge Analytica for the 2016 election and Brexit?

I swear I saw it a few minutes ago, but I can no longer find it on his twitter time line. Surely I am not the only one that saw it.

I think so r80, Kyle Griffin retweeted it:

Do we know if Kyle is one of us? He is cute.

R82 Kyle is gay.

R81 Thank you, I was beginning to think I was imagining things. I wonder if someone told Schiff to pipe it down.

It might have been mentioning Brexit, R83. Maybe he doesn't want to step on the Brit' s toes. Although he's right about it.

From Angry White House Staffer

[quote]“When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America...America will triumph over you."

Just saw this quote from former CIA Director John Brennan on the previous thread. It bears repeating globally a) because it is I think the most ferocious incisive denunciation yet made by a senior US figure; and b) because it offers hope during this time of uncertainty - lovingly manufactured by 'POTUS' - about Mueller's job security.

Of course Mueller is magnitudes wiser than his quarry, but Trump has the low cunning of the devil, and thinks himself untouchable by right. Brennan's powerful statement is thus heartening. May many others pick up the theme.

Why is Trump even attempting this whole charade of trying to discredit Mueller and his investigation? Does he really think he, and his actions, convince anyone beyond the Deplorables that he's not guilty?

The Deplorables believe he's not guilty. The rest of the US (and the world)? They believe Trump is guilty.

Therefore I do believe that this isn't about trying to discredit Mueller but to buy some time before something big can happen (terrorist attack, declaration of war, Kristallnacht, etc.).

Tяump - Tяaitor - Tяeason

Tяump - Tяaitor - Tяeason - Tяarchery - Tяial

[quote]“When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America...America will triumph over you."

Wow, these are some very strong words from Brennan. It seems some insiders already know of the outcome of the Trump presidency and that he will not get away with all the shit he's done.

Rosenstein gave some hints recently too, saying something like when history books will be written people will know his office and special councilor Mueller did the right thing.

I hope they'll be able to put Trump in jail for the rest of his life. Crimes like he did and is still doing require the highest punishment. Trump is not only destroying the foundation of the US, he is also destroying western alliances.

Well said, r90, except I don't think he is destroying the foundation of the U.S., I think he is testing. I hope this brings about some much needed changes.

Slightly related — the UK is currently being warned that Putin may threaten or engage in blackout electricity attacks in revenge for the diplomatic oustings of their pro-Putin UK-based spies.

Those with keen memories will recall that there were several rogue practice attacks in the U.S. too in the last several years, not to mention nuclear power plant infiltrations via hacking.

Stop it ✋ 🛑 grammar girls! You are both right!!

[quote]“Majority” is one of those words that can be either singular or plural. Common sense works pretty well in deciding which. If you mean the word to describe a collection of individuals, then the word should be treated as plural: “The majority of e-mail users are upset about the increase in spam.”

Trump this morning, priming the deplorables to reject anything Comey says in his upcoming book:

Wow, watch Comey lie under oath to Senator G when asked “have you ever been an anonymous source...or known someone else to be an anonymous source...?” He said strongly “never, no.” He lied as shown clearly on @foxandfriends.

His next tweet tries to discredit McCabe as well:

Spent very little time with Andrew McCabe, but he never took notes when he was with me. I don’t believe he made memos except to help his own agenda, probably at a later date. Same with lying James Comey. Can we call them Fake Memos?

He's frightened. Good.

[quote]except I don't think he is destroying the foundation of the U.S., I think he is testing.

I want to agree with you -- but I'm starting to agree with Slate's take:

"If American institutions have, so far, stood up to Donald Trump, the reason for this seems to have at least as much to do with his personal failings as it does with the structural differences between the United States and countries like Poland or Venezuela. If Trump, or one of his successors, should learn to emulate the playbook developed by authoritarian populists around the world, he too could concentrate enormous powers in his own hands."

Trump is just this side of inept, and look at how much damage he has done. If somebody with more brains and talent, but similar populist impulses, ascended to the Presidency, I don't know if our institutions would hold. Certainly not if we have another quisling Congress, as we do now.

Trump on Twitter this morning is crazy with rage. With any luck he'll stroke out by lunch.

[quote] Wow, watch Comey lie under oath to Senator G when asked “have you ever been an anonymous source...or known someone else to be an anonymous source...?” He said strongly “never, no.” He lied as shown clearly on @foxandfriends.

[quote] Spent very little time with Andrew McCabe, but he never took notes when he was with me. I don’t believe he made memos except to help his own agenda, probably at a later date. Same with lying James Comey. Can we call them Fake Memos?

[quote] Why does the Mueller team have 13 hardened Democrats, some big Crooked Hillary supporters, and Zero Republicans? Another Dem recently added...does anyone think this is fair? And yet, there is NO COLLUSION!

NO SANE OR INNOCENT PERSON BEHAVES LIKE THIS!!!

The beautiful Judd Legum:

Chuck Todd just reported that Trump’s approval rating has increased to 43% in the latest NBC/WSJ poll, though the Republicans in Congress have lost further ground to the Democrats.

First of all, the mere fact that trump is calling anyone else in this planet a liar is shaking up all the pots and kettles in my kitchen.

[quote]Can we call them Fake Memos?

So now he's calling memos as yet unseen 'fake.' Doesn't know what's in them, but he disagrees anyway. Certainty, from a position of absolute ignorance.

That of course is the hallmark of his 'Presidency', but it's also a deeper sign of insanity.

I no longer think it's insanity. To me, Trump's behavior is, simply and very clearly, the desperation of a guilty man with just enough legal power to slow his own inevitable downfall.

[quote] Can we call them Fake Memos?

[quote]So now he's calling memos as yet unseen 'fake.'

That's what guys like him usually do. It's called controlling the narrative. No matter what the memos say his Deplorables will dismiss them and call them fake memos. Of course this works only on those who are brainwashed to believe him.

I will fight for my country if I have to, within my country.

I am descended from people who fought on either side of the Civil War. Thankfully, the more humane side won then.

[quote]If American institutions have, so far, stood up to Donald Trump, the reason for this seems to have at least as much to do with his personal failings as it does with the structural differences between the United States and countries like Poland or Venezuela.

Which is why the slimiest villains here are the Republicans in Congress. McConnell, Grassley, McCain, Graham, Ryan, Gowdy, Nunes.

I hope they go to jail along with Trump, Pence, Javanka, et. al.

I have never been so pessimistic about the state of having President Trump for the next four years. I think the firing of Mueller is imminent and the corruption of this White House will never be exposed and no one be held accountable

How long will it be before a nerve agent attack by Russia happens in our country?

I hate this fucking fucker so fucking much!

Trump's approval is up to 43%? This is so depressing.

Essential reading...

Kyle Griffin:

McCabe has job offers pouring in so he can retain his pension.

Who cares what Lindsey Graham thinks.....hes all talk and no action...always has been. If he were such a patriot, he would stand up to Trump and his own party.

[quote]what Lindsey Graham thinks

"Why do I look like menopausal?"

Another Pleasant Valley Sunday, here in (((TRUMP!))) shrieking land..

[quote]Trump's approval is up to 43%? This is so depressing.

Republicans have been radicalized by their 'media' to the point that an incompetent, treasonous psychopath seems not just tolerable, but desired.

Lindsey was on with Jake Tapper this morning. He's turned into the biggest Trump cheerleaders in the Senate; then he mumbles out the side of his mouth about following the rule of law.

Watch, when Trump finds some way to remove Mueller and shut down the investigation, Lindsey will be right there defending Trump. Don't have confidence this guy will do the right thing.

So glad to see people tearing T-rump's lies apart:

BTW, the Russians are clearing their cookies like CRAZEE today!

[quote] Who cares what Lindsey Graham thinks.....hes all talk and no action...always has been. If he were such a patriot, he would stand up to Trump and his own party.

This x 1,000. Let me use a lot of bad cliches to describe the ole gal: Miz Lindz talks a good game, but when it comes time to put up or shut up, she folds like house of cards. Every. Damn. Time. She turns into the mealy-mouthed Melanie Wilkes. Totally useless.

Is Lindsey homosexual?

Is rain wet?!

R123 why would you not use the term gay? Did you originate from the Urals?

To answer your question in your domain, our Miss Lindz is homo-polyamory.

Huh? Miss Lindsey said that firing Mueller would end the T-rump presidency.

I don't believe that poll. I simply can't believe there are so many rubes in this country. We will see.

I don't believe the poll, either.

Why would the poll be faked?

Those texting FBI agent lovers had a bias against EVERYONE. Why does Miss Lindsey keep saying they had a bias against Trump and for Clinton? They hated Clinton too.

You know who had a bias for Trump and against Clinton? Rudy Guiliani's friends in the New York FBI office.

Maybe when her gentlemen callers are finished she can look into that.

U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions' testimony that he opposed a proposal for President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign team to meet with Russians has been contradicted by three people who told Reuters they have spoken about the matter to investigators with Special Counsel Robert Mueller or congressional committees.

[quote]I don't believe the poll, either.

I'd rather believe the poll. We should prepare for the worse case scenario not the best. We didn't believe he'd win the election and that happened.

The poll is a ridiculous lie, and is Sessions trying to use jazz hands to deflect in the picture @ r131?

[quote] Huh? Miss Lindsey said that firing Mueller would end the T-rump presidency.

A lot of hot air. If rRump fires Mueller between now and November does anyone honestly think that the Repukes will do anything about it? Hint: they won't. They'll bluster and threaten and make a lot of noise. And then nothing ever comes of it. I don't care what Senatrice Lindz says.

At least the Repubs in 1975 -- when they were the minority party in both the House and the Senate -- realized that they had no choice but to go along with the impeachment of Richard Nixon. And in the face of that type of opposition Nixon resigned before they could impeach him. Now, however, when they are faced with potentially far worse circumstances, and hold the majority in both houses of Congress, the Repukes are doing nothing. Well, except for people like Nunes and Ryan, who doing something, like trying to cover up Cheatolini's treason and crimes.

This is my fear... and yes, I openly admit that I've become paranoid. Maybe some of you can convince me otherwise.

But I've been suspicious about all of these wins we've gotten over Repugs over the past few months. Yes, I know we've been mobilized and I know we're angry... but I'm still not certain that we're not still being manipulated. I keep wondering if the Russkies are either "letting us" win in order to lull us into a sense of false security for November or they're doing it as a message to the Rethugs to fall in line if they want them to make sure they get the fix in for them in November.

I'm just overly paranoid, right? Someone ease my mind.

We can hope that Mueller drops an indictment on Jared and/or Trump Jr toot sweet. It would be impossible for DJT to fire him once that happens.

R126, that just means if Trump fires Mueller, the GOP will parse it to death to claim Trump didn't actually do anything inappropriate.

[quote] I keep wondering if the Russkies are either "letting us" win in order to lull us into a sense of false security for November or they're doing it as a message to the Rethugs to fall in line if they want them to make sure they get the fix in for them in November.

You can drive yourself insane playing the "what if" game. Indeed, if you tease out the conspiracy theories far enough, you'll end up so paranoid that you believe your dog is a Russian agent and the cat down the street is going to kill you with polonium.

The Russians are an enemy of state. I would imagine the current Putin regime is targeted, including Putin. They only have the power you give them and they're not bright. There current trajectory ends in failure. Again.

Saw a videotape of Putin the other day and his face looks full on Wildenstein. He's already has a semblance of the Terry Hatcher "joker" face and I'm fearful it will only get worse, ending somewhere with Joan van Ark. This is a mentally disturbed man, full of self loathing, and it shows in his plastic surgery, no matter the big balls he likes to project. Rot from the inside, I guess.

Nope. R135 I hear where you're coming from. And I don't think it sounds "conspiracy theory-ish." It's all quite possible as the 2016 elections have shown us. I can easily see that being what they're doing and I think the key is to not let all those wins make us complacent. We have to treat November like 2016 where anything can happen and so we all have to be on our toes and vote and get everyone else to vote and not just think we have it in the bag.

I still wonder what's going on with Gowdy. Mr. Benghazi suddenly has had enough of partisan politics? I don't buy it. He's the one who saw all the underlying intelligence regarding FISA warrants, not Nunes. And around the time Gowdy would have been reviewing all that top secret material, he retired. He was fundraising in the morning and retired in the afternoon. He's on TV this morning talking about how Mueller needs to finish his work. He didn't take a seat on the court that was offered to him, either.

So either Gowdy is being kept in the wings to take over AG or some other position or Gowdy knows the GOP is going down in flames and he's distancing himself.

Believe the poll. The American people are, by and large, tards.

R142 is right.

Where is Carter Page?

Sleeping with the fishes?

[quote]So either Gowdy is being kept in the wings to take over AG or some other position or Gowdy knows the GOP is going down in flames and he's distancing himself.

I think it’s the latter. He’s saving his own mottled skin.

[quote]Where is Carter Page?

Lost in Chris Hayes's eyes.

Are there States besides VA & NY where trump can be prosecuted? He should be prosecuted in FL, but won't be. Too many deplorables in power.

The deplorables believe that if McCabe had damaging info on trump he should have given it to Mueller before he was fired. Since he is doing after the fact, he is no patriot, just a man with a vendetta.

[quote] BTW, the Russians are clearing their cookies like CRAZEE today!

You live in another century. I cleared my history over a week ago because I had to. It was months since I'd done it and I still can't post. I bought a new iPad last week - still can't post from it. I've signed in and out multiple times, but it's not working. I have to post from my phone. If you think people can clear their history and immediately begin posting, think again.

[quote]If you think people can clear their history and immediately begin posting, think again.

You're wrong. The person who said the thing about cookie clearing didn't say anything inaccurate.

Just because you can't post doesn't mean people who pay for their subscriptions can't immediately post after clearing their cookies. And you can guarantee Boris and Natascia were using paid accounts. They don't have time to waste trying to get permissions to post.

R135 I've thought about that too.

When we're nearing November and if there's a bunch of "we got this guys, we've won tons of special elections let's just chill and relax" then yes I will absolutely put my tinfoil hat on and believe Russians have been "letting" us win all these special elections to either placate us or whip the republicans in line.

[quote]The deplorables believe that if McCabe had damaging info on trump he should have given it to Mueller before he was fired. Since he is doing after the fact, he is no patriot, just a man with a vendetta.

I thought that McCabe had turned the memos over before he was fired. I would have assumed that Mueller had asked for all contemporaneous documentation from any of these witnesses months ago. Just because McCabe is taunting the Orange Buffoon with them now doesn't mean that Mueller hasn't had them for quite some time. Eh, well, that's why they're deplorables; they believe anything that favors the traitor.

[quote]The deplorables believe that if McCabe had damaging info on trump he should have given it to Mueller before he was fired. Since he is doing after the fact, he is no patriot, just a man with a vendetta.

Well then Trump as well as being low petty and spiteful is a stupid cunt for provoking this needless notional vendetta. And 'damaging information' is damaging information, whether it's forwarded last month or next. Deplorable groupthink, squalid as ever.

[quote]I will absolutely put my tinfoil hat on and believe Russians have been "letting" us win all these special elections to either placate us or whip the republicans in line.

But Democrats have not been winning all these special elections.

The lost Kansas 4 by six points, Montana at-large by six points, Georgia 6 by four points, South Carolina 5 by three points, and Utah 3 by 32 points.

Alabama Senate was the first win, more than a year after the 2016 election, and Connor Lamb's was the second.

Democrats have been doing MUCH better in these races than the 2016 R/D proportion, but don't get your facts wrong while you're developing your theories.

Of course McCabe met with Mueller ....months ago. Hes a witness.....he was one of the first to be interviewed regarding obstruction charges (which reports say is already complete or close to it) ....so Mueller had McCabes testimony and evidence from the get go.

R152 is correct. As per usual the deplorables are operating from a position of ignorance and stupidity.

[quote]Alabama Senate was the first win, more than a year after the 2016 election, and Connor Lamb's was the second.

Speaking of getting your facts straight.

Lump had McCabe fired for petty, vindictive revenge. End of. He got no benefit out of it other than a brief feeling of exaltation and satisfaction at said revenge. The result outside of his own severe mental issues has been massive blowback, pissing a lot of people off and giving Mueller even more evidence of obstruction. Dump is a massive fucking idiot. And thank God for it. If he were even a little bit smart, he could be much more effective and the country would be truly fucked (if it's not now).

I don't think McCabe's firing was soley for petty reasons. I think they were hoping to set up the narrative that anything that came out of McCabe from this point forward would be seen as HIM lying and being vindictive. Dump's tweets this weekend already set that up.

Ever since Comey stated he shared info with six people who can be classified as witnesses, the GOP has systematically gone after them to tarnish their reputations and their testimony......everyone from Rachel Maddow on down has reported on this. McCabes firing was expected.

And let’s repeat, McCabe gave his memos to Mueller back when he first testified. It’s ridiculous that people would think otherwise.

r161, the Deplorables will think so, because Trump told them what to believe. Even when something comes up without Trump preparing them in advance they will just hear those news and then look to Trump to explain it away and then they go "that makes total sense!".

I'm no longer interested in what the loud and ignorant minority believes. We will have to go on without them if they persist in their delusions.

r163, you also have to leave the Republican owned media outlets behind that humor and validate the Deplorables. And the Republican supporters who donate to the GOP.

According to Twitter trump is no w requiring all WH employees to sign non-disclosure agreements with fines up to 10 million. Totally not enforceable right?

[quote]I thought that McCabe had turned the memos over before he was fired

Of course he did, but Deplorables lack a basic sense of how time passes and, I imagine, object permanence.

[quote]According to Twitter trump is no w requiring all WH employees to sign non-disclosure agreements with fines up to 10 million. Totally not enforceable right?

As if they weren’t having a hard enough time finding people who’d want to work there.

Maggie Haberman has tweeted that former WH employees are having a very hard time getting employed anywhere else.

It will be just like Nixon, in the end. No one you ask will ever admit to voting for him, yet there were only two states he didn't carry.

R165, these people work for us, not Trump. The NDAs are not enforceable. He’s tried this before, in January, I think.

R168, Trump LOST the popular vote by 3 million votes. And probably the electoral one too, as per direct Russian interference.

Not only are they having problems retaining staff, the fuckers can't get laid when people find out who they work for.

[quote]But Democrats have not been winning all these special elections.

It depends on what you're including in your list of "special elections." If you restrict yourself to the national level, e.g., just the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, then you're mostly right. But if you include statewide elections (and why wouldn't you?), then Democrats have won 39 out of 43 of those elections, the majority of which have been in red districts.

As for the national elections, Democrats haven't been winning those mostly because those are in incredibly safe districts. But even there, Democrats have been outperforming their numbers by double digits.

That said, the poster you were responding to, the one with the tinfoil hat, is pretty ridiculous.

r134, 1974

[quote]That said, the poster you were responding to, the one with the tinfoil hat, is pretty ridiculous.

Coming from someone with their cookies cleared. Sure.

And to classify what the poster said as "tinfoil hat," when nothing of that was far fetched considering what we know the Russians have already done in a prior election, on top of systematically targeting our nuclear and power grids, is incredibly stupid.

Looks like R121 was right, lol.

My Antivirus Spartan Pro clears my cookies every time I use it. And I am still able to post here immediately after. And start threads. And I don't pay.

Yesterday, I blocked several Russian/Republican Trolls, at least 11, and noticed this morning that they ALL had cleared their cookies overnight.

So, YES, DL is a target. And YES you can clear your cookies and post again right away.

[quote] Coming from someone with their cookies cleared. Sure.

I don't ever clear my cookies. Try again.

[quote]And to classify what the poster said as "tinfoil hat," when nothing of that was far fetched

Moron, the "tinfoil hat" phrase was what R151 used himself:

[quote]yes I will absolutely put my tinfoil hat on and believe Russians have been "letting" us win all these special elections to either placate us or whip the republicans in line.

Why doesn't anyone want to impress a girl these days?

[quote]I don't ever clear my cookies. Try again.

Which is why you have no history?

So, R177 these were just your first two posts in any of these threads?

And regardless, did you not refer to what the poster said as "ridiculous?" So yeah, referring to that sort of speculation as ridiculous after we now know what we know has been happening... well, yeah, that's moronic.

Excellent question, Jodie!

So I guess Dump is going to have to keep taking orders.

Let me act surprised, r182..........nope, sorry....even I'm not capable of that.

Sooner or later, Melania is going to hit like a tsunami.

R180 = CREEPY 👹 STALKER

It's sweet of R185 to defend trolls.

luv c tha pix oof stormi fukiin that lawyer

GOP is walking back their statement there was no collusion already, saying they never found any collusion because they never investigated any:

[quote]Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas) said Sunday the House Intelligence Committee was not tasked with investigating collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, despite the committee issuing a report last week stating it found no evidence of collusion in the 2016 election.

[quote]"Our committee was not charged with answering the collusion idea," Conaway said on "Meet The Press." "So we really weren't focused on that direction."

[quote]When asked if he regrets that the committee attempted to draw a conclusion on whether the Russians colluded with the Trump campaign, Conaway denied that the committee drew a conclusion at all.

[quote]And I am still able to post here immediately after. And start threads. And I don't pay.

My hate for you knows no boundaries.

So we didn't investigate if there was collusion but we shouted that there wasn't and shut everything down.

[quote]Sooner or later, Melania is going to hit like a tsunami.

If she is still here 90 days after Stormy's 60 Minutes she is here to the end.

I don't know how to call her... the wishful thinking part of me wants to believe she vil say Doughnut, don't seek secunt term because Vairst Letty about to vile for divorce.

I also think she may have renegotiated her pre nup right after he won so she's just got to endure til pay day.

I agree though, at some point, watch out for Melania. Despite everything, my gut says she is really pissed.

[quote] Which is why you have no history?

[quote]So, R177 these were just your first two posts in any of these threads?

*sigh* You really don't know anything at all about Datalounge, do you? Free clue to both of you: the history search here is not comprehensive, as a quick look at your own history should tell you.

[quote]CREEPY 👹 STALKER

Oh, please. Looking at someone's posting history is not even remotely "stalking." In fact, these days, it's common sense and I use that tactic all the time. Nor do I object to anyone looking at my posting history, as long as they're smart enough to understand the limitations of DL's forum software.

[quote]my gut says she is really pissed.

Pics please.

[quote]When asked if he regrets that the committee attempted to draw a conclusion on whether the Russians colluded with the Trump campaign, Conaway denied that the committee drew a conclusion at all.

Wow.... Talk about [italic]chutzpah[/italic]. Of course, they reached that conclusion. These guys really do live in their own fantasy world, don't they? Their report was widely derided and so now they're trying to walk it back? Seriously?

R159, I know that's the line Dump is touting about the McCabe firing, but it's utter bullshit. Trump and his minions had been going after McCabe's reputation for months attempting to discredit him as a witness. Anyone who was going to buy that line (deplorable idiots only) has already brought it. Firing him made no difference, and in fact did more harm than good. I bet there were people advising Dump against it, but his petty vindictiveness wouldn't be denied his pathetic revenge. Any argument that Dump's insistence on the firing was for any real reason other than that is missing the point of who Trump really is.

[quote]And regardless, did you not refer to what the poster said as "ridiculous?"

Yup, because it is. Apply Occam's Razor. And stop pretending that Russia is omnipotent in its hacking capabilities. What R151 wrote was stupid.

When is the Stormy Daniels interview on 60 Minutes ?

The 25th. Next Sunday.

[quote]*sigh* You really don't know anything at all about Datalounge, do you? Free clue to both of you: the history search here is not comprehensive, as a quick look at your own history should tell you.

Sure.

@realDonaldTrump:

[quote]FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is racing the clock to retire with full benefits. 90 days to go?!!!

3:30 PM - 23 Dec 2017

Conway so swiftly backtracking on the "no collusion" line speaks volumes. Like Gowfy, they know what’s coming down and they’re running for cover.

Someone protests too much.

They really have no shame.

It's not just that they are corrupt. They're weak, too.

r199, it should've been this sunday.

For all of us worried, (including me), just remember: The Senate and House Investigations, (the one just ended by Devon Nunes), are ultimately meaningless and pointless. In fact, I believe Bannon claimed the reason he refused to answer questions was because the information he had was very damning and there were too many leaks in that room, but he would tell all to Mueller.

MUELLER'S INVESTIGATION IS ALL THAT MATTERS!

Jared and Ivanka had to have their helicopter return to DC tonight when one of its engines failed. No link yet.

[quote] GOP is walking back their statement there was no collusion already, saying they never found any collusion because they never investigated any.

[quote] Rep. Mike Conaway (R-Texas) said Sunday the House Intelligence Committee was not tasked with investigating collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, despite the committee issuing a report last week stating it found no evidence of collusion in the 2016 election.

Conaway said so many different and contradictory things this morning on Meet the Press that I wondered if he wasn't having a stroke. He didn't understand (or pretended not to understand) some fairly simply questions from Chuck Todd. And then he whipsawed back and forth about the collusion issue and what they had or had not investigated. It was bizarre, and his bumbling and fumbling certainly doesn't add to the "credibility" of the Rethugs (not that they have much or any to start with, especially on this topic).

And, yes, in my earlier post I wrote that Nixon resigned in 1975; whoever corrected that was right: it was 1974.

Gutierrez offered McCabe a job to secure his pension. He hasn't received a response yet. If McCabe doesn't respond or says "no", my sympathy is diminished...

McCabe may want to reserve the right to sue. If he gets his pension early any way, it hurts that.

And it makes McCabe appears that he’s aligned with Democrats.

It’s not about the money! We can’t let shit like this happen.

[quote]I agree though, at some point, watch out for Melania. Despite everything, my gut says she is really pissed.

Oh, please. If that woman was capable of feeling anything but fleeting emotions she wouldn't have lasted this long with trump. I think at some point in the marriage she got an elective lobotomy.

There are signs that big stuff is about to happen in the Mueller probe. Not only is Der Drumpfenfuhrer firing people left and right, but he has also taken to Twitter today to try and lie his way out of legal jeopardy.

So is Avenatti single and available?

Yes, there was very much collusion. Trump is the Hadron Colluder of American politics.

Look. This motley bunch of assholes is not going to "destroy the foundations of this country." Because we will fight back and we will use every single option we have to stop them. American has seen worse and America has survived because the people who believe in America will fight for America. We just can't afford to let up, or panic, that's all.

I certainly would like to see some lawsuits filed too.

Fuck lawsuits.....every single participant needs to be lined up and shot for treason. Thats the only way to insure it doesnt happen again. A very clear and strong message needs to be sent to them.

[quote] Stop it ✋ 🛑 grammar girls! You are both right!! ... “Majority” is one of those words that can be either singular or plural. Common sense works pretty well in deciding which. If you mean the word to describe a collection of individuals, then the word should be treated as plural: “The majority of e-mail users are upset about the increase in spam.”

Mrs G., R93, I am sorry, but you’re wrong:

“A majority is predicted for the Dems.”

Or, “A majority are predicted for the Dems.”

It’s singular.

These grammar tangents are one of the things I really hate about DL. They contribute nothing and distract from the flow of a post. How dull your lives must be, to saddle up that.

R219, of course I understand and share your outrage, ut at this moment I think lining everyone up to face a firing squad is not a practical option. I do think Trump is doing two things: He is following some very shrewd legal advice from people like Giuliani, Dershowitz or possibly Christie. He is strategizing with people like Sean Hannity to make sure his base stays with him and views this as political rather than legal. Everything Trump is doing from his House Intel Committee memos to the firing of McCabe, to shutting down the House Intel Committee are PR strategies for his base, but he is also attempting to weaken and impeach the credibility of any potential witnesses.

Nothing he is doing lately will help him with law enforcement. He has broken the law. He has to face the consequences and anyone in his cabal who is arrogant enough to believe they're bullet proof is going to learn that they will also face consequences. Trump is pretty transparent. He intends to pardon anyone implicated, and he wants to shut down the investigation. I do hope his armchair advisers like Giuliani and Christie and Dershowitz will advise him against closing down the investigation. I also have to wonder if Christie and Giuliani are talking to Ryan and McConnell. One thing is certain. Anyone who is telling Trump he is on solid legal ground to do the shit he is doing, is crazier than he is.

R221, But if you are not using the Queen’s English, how can we make any sense of what you are saying?

Interesting, Evening P (with EG).

I was thinking about this. It's complicated and I've never been accused of the brightest bulb on the porch, but..

The woman doesn't want dessert.

The women don't want dessert.

The majority of women don't want dessert.

The majority of women doesn't want dessert.

The majority don't want dessert.

The majority doesn't want dessert.

Is Dershowitz really involved? I know he's a supporter, but I haven't heard about him for awhile.

Get over it r221. It's commonplace here and it isn't going to stop to please you. It's merely a minor interruption.

R225 Trump talks to his personal friends all the time. They include people like Dershowitz, Giuliani, Christie, (yes, Christie is documented as an adviser to Trump) and guys like Roger Stone, Slater and a few others. We look at guys like Dowd and Ty Cobb, and there are one or two others we see, but those are the public legal team. He also listens and talks to others. He asks them for all kinds of advice including who to fire and who to hire.

Funny you should mention him r225. This administration has changed my opinions of so many public figures, him included. But to hear that he is more deeply involved would make more sense - not that I'd be any less outraged.

It's merely a pathetic interruption.

Fixed that for you.

Christie just shocks me. Yes, he is a fat fuck, but he's also a tough guy type. trump [italic]humiliated[/italic] him on the national stage and he just took it. Laid down like a submissive dog. Never would have guessed he'd do that.

Divide and conquer

Is that your game r229?

[quote] American has seen worse and America has survived because the people who believe in America will fight for America. We just can't afford to let up, or panic, that's all.

I agree that we shouldn't blindly panic, because that is not helpful at all. But, while we have faced extremely serious threats before, this time is different because the threat is coming from traitors in the White House and the Congress who hold the levers of power.

I don't think we've been in such a bad state since the civil war.

The reason Trump went batshit the past few days even more than usual is because apparently Mueller is still trying to set up a meeting with him, and even submitted a list of potential questions to him so he would know the areas they want to discuss.

Ooooh. Wondering about those questions.

[quote] The deplorables believe that if McCabe had damaging info on trump he should have given it to Mueller before he was fired. Since he is doing after the fact, he is no patriot, just a man with a vendetta.

I didn't read that he gave his notes to Mueller AFTER he was fired. All I heard was that "Mueller already has his notes." Where does it say he only just gave his notes to Mueller?

Re: Alan Dershowitz. Before the election, he was often part of the CNN panels and often very critical of Trump. He was as anti-Trump as Lindsay Graham was before Miss Lindsay was blackmailed. Then all of a sudden, a couple months after Trump had been inaugurated, he appeared in a quick end of show segment on Don Lemon. Apparently, he had been in Florida the previous weekend and an associate took him to dinner at Mar-a-Lago, (a place you'd think Dershowitz wouldn't be caught dead at considering his anti-Trump sentiments). Trump, who he had never met, recognized him, went over to meet him and started praising his merits and asking his advice. Well, Dershowitz was like a gushing school-girl as he told the story. A real fan-gurl! It was cringe-inducing!!

After that segment, he appeared less frequently on the panels and gradually became a Trump defender. Next thing I notice, there he is on FOX News.

Maybe Dershowitz is happy about moving the US embassy to Jerusalem.

It's all about greed.

R238 & R239 - they have something on Dershowitz. Just as they do on all those rethugs who should have said or done something- and they’ve done nothing.

Weren’t there rumours of young Women? Didn’t Dershowitz visit that Jeffrey Epstein Fantasy Island set-up a who,e ago?

Ten to one they have footage....

[quote]Everything Trump is doing from his House Intel Committee memos to the firing of McCabe, to shutting down the House Intel Committee are PR strategies for his base, but he is also attempting to weaken and impeach the credibility of any potential witnesses.

Indeed, it's all so much desperate theatre; which can be dispelled by the likes of Adam Schiff's crisp corrective tweet @ R215.

When ever more critics legally deconstruct the huge trashy masquerade, it'll collapse as it has to. This show can't run and run. It's a matter equally of concern and fascination as to how the berserk ringmaster will handle decline and fall.

Well at this point his so called "friends" aren't doing him any favors. Trump has shown in the past, with other legal troubles, that he is willing to cut his losses when necessary. So at some point he needs to be led down that road. His advisers need to tell him when it's time to stop fighting, negotiate a deal, and walk away from the Presidency. This has done his businesses and his family no good. The brand is in ruins.

I also think that he needs to realize he had more freedom when he was a celebrity "businessman" then he will ever have in public office. He is more accountable than ever and nothing he has ever done will remain hidden.His high handed insulting "negotiations" with Mueller are going no where. He just keeps digging a deeper hole for himself, and the needle is not moving.

He has low approval ratings and it is a certainty the Dems will take back the House, and possibly take the Senate too. There are more than 110 seats in play in the House, and they only need 23. Once the new Democratic House votes to impeach, and they will, the Senate will not be able to hold out for him.

Even if there is no Democratic majority in the Senate, there will still be enough senators who are appalled and embarrassed by the public exposure from the House Impeachment revelations, that Trump will lose the vote in the Senate. The Senate will offer a bi-partisan vote to convict him. He will be out. And then he will be vulnerable to the various states' criminal investigations.

So Trump's advisers and friends need to tell him to negotiate a deal with Mueller to resign the Presidency. All these empty gestures and attacks are only digging a deeper hole. Trump has been in arguments he couldn't win before. He has huge contempt for the Law. But Mueller is a force to be reckoned with. They could have chosen anyone else but they chose Mueller to go after him, and Mueller is not someone you fuck with. Even Rudy Giuliani knows that.

What pisses me off is that as far as Trump' past goes, almost everything we are learning about his business practices, and those of Jared's were know or the information was readily available more than five years ago.. It begs the question why didn't the state of NY go after them back then? The media, investigative reporters, and the law enforcement community could have broken Trump years ago. He never would've been eligible to run for POTUS.

Mueller has been in possession of McCabe’s memos for months.

I want to know what deal is between Comey and Giuliani. I hope Mueller looks into this. The FBI interfering in an election can not be tolerated.

@kylegriffin

[quote]Axios has learned that Mueller has focused on events since the election in his conversations with Trump's lawyers. The top 2 topics that Mueller has expressed interest in so far: the firings of Comey and Flynn, suggesting a focus on obstruction.

[quote] Fuck lawsuits.....every single participant needs to be lined up and shot for treason. Thats the only way to insure it doesnt happen again. A very clear and strong message needs to be sent to them.

Let them all line up at the Mexican border. Trump could get his "wall" after all. I mean there must be thousands of greedy bastards who are complicit in that scheme (including all the trolls and bots trolling facebook and online message boards).

I dimly recall from the weekend news that if he's rehired by, say, a Congressperson, McCabe might have to work longer at a non-law-enforcement position to earn his pension. Anybody know about this for certain?

If Mueller wants to question Trump on shit he did since he became POTUS, I'm betting he is looking at Obstruction. But I'm also convinced Mueller already has enough to charge Trump with violating other statutes. If he can prove a direct link from Trump to the conspiracy to defraud the American people in stealling the election it's game over.

I think it will be there where he will be offered a deal by Mueller. Walk away and you may not get jail.

Trump will fire Mueller long before Mueller lays a finger on Trump.

The Media have given you an oddly skewed version of what is really going on. The Mueller investigation is dead in the water.

The majority of posters on this thread are living in a media-made hell that has little bearing on reality.

Trump will fire Mueller long before Mueller lays a finger on Trump.

The Media have given you an oddly skewed version of what is really going on. The Mueller investigation is dead in the water.

R253, I don't think it is. I think Mueller has a ton of shit on Dump and his compadres.

R252 and R253: working the day shift at the troll factory in the deepest recesses of Siberia.

R252/R253 - Sure. You believe that LOL.

R254: Of course not! It is just a troll wanting to argue.

R255: So true!

Well, that troll was just blocked.

R253 OMG! You're so right! How could millions of Americans be so blind! tRump is a stable, innocent genius that's only upheld the most noble ideals of this country!

Personally, I want Trump and his family locked up forever because of tax evasion and dirty business dealings.

Im going to leave this right here as a bit of comic relief......

[quote]I dimly recall from the weekend news that if he's rehired by, say, a Congressperson, McCabe might have to work longer at a non-law-enforcement position to earn his pension. Anybody know about this for certain?

I heard a pundit this morning say he could work for someone in Congress for two days, presumably the same amount of time he had left, in order to collect his pension.

[quote]*sigh* You really don't know anything at all about Datalounge, do you? Free clue to both of you: the history search here is not comprehensive, as a quick look at your own history should tell you.

*sigh* Apparently you really don't know anything about Datalounge. Before you try to clue anyone else on how things work you might want to get some correct information.

Yes, blocking someone and checking their posts doesn't often yield an entire history, however it will give you SOME history. Especially if you have been involved in any of the threads that poster has posted in. Therefore, you should have some history in this thread or in one of the other Mueller threads, it was your first post in any of these threads, or your cookies were actually cleared. That's how it works.

Love it, R260!!!

I think the problem with Trump right this minute is too many of the "advisers" he's talking to are telling him how to fight back, and they need to be telling him how to cut his losses, and negotiate an exit.

So obviously the firing of McCabe was supposed to be phase 3? or 4? or 2? or what? signalling the Traitors to go on a rampage to create the toxicity culminating in the shutting down of Mueller. So first Trump has to fire Sessions, then Rosenstein, then Mueller. And there are stipulations that there has to be a reason to shut Mueller down.. Trump is foaming at the mouth. Lunatic rat bastard.

R264 I go back and forth to trying to figure out if all of this is calculated or just the impulsive behavior of a toddler. On the one hand a lot of it points to calculation but on the other hand it's executed so poorly and often backfires so...

Why choose, R265?

Was Cambridge Analytica working with 'Russher' operatives?

Will the Mueller investigation be speaking with Rebekah Mercer?

It makes one wonder exactly WHY Robert Mercer stepped down a few months ago.

You guys didn't believe me when I said Robert Mercer was throwing his daughter under the bus when he stepped down. What a dog.

[quote]You guys didn't believe me when I said Robert Mercer was throwing his daughter under the bus when he stepped down. What a dog.

Dog or not... he has the right idea!

Der Drumpenfuhrer @ r270.

Are you by any chance a relative?

[quote]I didn't read that he gave his notes to Mueller AFTER he was fired. All I heard was that "Mueller already has his notes." Where does it say he only just gave his notes to Mueller?

It doesn't. That was a deplorable's take on the situation. McCabe is being trashed by deplorables as being corrupt and not a true patriot and this was one of the comments on twitter as to how they justify that belief.

By the way, does anybody remember Chuck Woolery of all fucking people? The game show guy? He is a [italic]die-hard[/italic] trump supporter. According to him, everybody on both sides of the aisle are corrupt and out for only themselves except trump and his supporters. I will never ever be able to understand this blindness and stupidity.

I never thought I'd live to see the day when just under(!) 20 years of service to your country in the FBI could be construed as 'unpatriotic.'

R272, these people see themselves as 'special' and the forgotten ones who had the right idea, the right way of doing things, that was being ignored for the sake of personality politics. They've always seen themselves as the 'backbone' of basic American values while anyone opposing them was anti-America. You know them. They're the old guy telling you how to do something from the back yard fence, or the school committee member blabbing about 'responsibility' while cutting the school lunch program. They're not overtly racist, and many are hard working people. They've been brought up to believe that this was the best country in the world and that everyone is out to destroy it, all the time, because the poor of the world didn't want to work as hard as they did and still 'wanted what they have' as some sort of entitlement. You could also just say they drank the Kool-aid.

What is it with Game Show Hosts being such deplorable pieces of shit. Wasn't Bob Barker some major, homophobic, asshole?

R273, were you asleep when John Kerry was swift-boated and the RNC featured purple heart band-aids?

Not sure about the homophobia, R275, but he allegedly sexually harassed his hostesses. This was before #MeToo, and he's dead, so I'm sure those women are feeling a bit cheated at what they faced when they came forward.

No, R276, I saw that shit. I know Kerry personally, btw, when a relative worked for him. He's a good man and didn't deserve it. There were rumblings like that, in MA, before he ran, but we've always had a disgruntled GOP in that state. I had a personal friend also subjected to the swift-boating for a minor error he made in an unflattering article about Shrub, so I know what they're capable of. That they ignored the gross draft-dodging of their candidate shows they have no minds of their own.

[quote]What is it with Game Show Hosts being such deplorable pieces of shit.

Trump has always reminded me of a 70s daytime game show host, longing beyond reason for the big time, and telling himself every day he's A-list.

Nothing he's ever said has dispelled this impression. Of course, he's magnitudes worse than that.

Republicans have been lying, cheating scum for decades, and for what? To enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else and the environment and to give the poor and vulnerable a hard time. Stellar people, Jesus must be so proud.

R253, OK, you can go to bed Boris, you've earned your bowl of borscht and a pair of Jordache jeans from 1987.

You need to update your talking points if you want to earn the toilet paper and cassette player. Dead investigations don't produce indictments and convictions in less than a year. The new lie is that the whole investigative team are Democrats.

[quote]Not sure about the homophobia, [R275], but he allegedly sexually harassed his hostesses. This was before #MeToo, and he's dead, so I'm sure those women are feeling a bit cheated at what they faced when they came forward.

Nevermind I was mistaken. Not Bob Barker. It was Bob Eubanks (a game show host) who was caught in the Documentary, "Roger & Me," at a State Fair making anti-Semitic and homophobic slurs.

CNBC is hysterically trying to prop up Trump today.

Thanks, R281, for giving me another one to cross off the list. I knew Bob Barker had some issues, even when alive, but I always gave him a pass because of his stance on animal rights. I don't do that anymore.

Nice overview.

I think the connection is money laundering and human trafficking. I've been saying it for years. What happens to the losers at all those beauty pageants he runs? What happens to the models at the agency who don't get hired? They're into him for lots of money, so I can only speculate what a fucking immoral rat like him would do, but it wouldn't be legal.

Does anybody here REALLY think he will fire Mueller??

He knows that it would be the end of him

R281

[quote] EUBANKS: You know why Jewish women don't get AIDS? Because they marry assholes, they don't screw them. Pardon me.

That makes me sad. And even worse, because it reveals profound stupidity and dishonesty.

[quote] According to Moore in the film's DVD commentary, Eubanks attempted to denounce the film with the Anti-Defamation League for containing anti-Semitic content, despite the fact that he himself contributed the sole moment of anti-Semitic content present in the film.

R286, Yes, I think it's very likely. When it comes down to it, Trump will take the fascist way out, I have no doubt.

R286, I believe he is capable of firing Mueller, and I believe he is unstable enough that he could do it in a fit of defiance. I think he is being advised against it, still.

R286, I think he would, if he could do it in one move, but because it requires Rosenstein's approval, it's a bit of a clunkier move. Rosenstein will resist, and may have to be fired. The next in line at the FBI might agree, in which case they'll send word to fire Mueller to Sessions, who may or may not follow through. Sessions likes his job at the DOJ, as he's reshaping the law in ways that'll last for generations. To keep his position, he may fire Mueller, but again, it's a multistep action that inhibits Trump's hand. Too much opportunity for others like Kelly to pressure Trump as each step is taken.

If he does, I don't know that much will come of it until after the midterm elections. Even then, it may just be the House that does anything - not the Senate.

R290 I'm confused about whether or not Sessions can fire Mueller.... having recused himself doesn't someone else have to do it?

Another question-if he did in fact fire Mueller WOULD that be the end of his presidency? Everything else he does he gets away with------

Rosenstein has to

R291, Remember, Nunes is "recused" too. They don't care about the rules and laws, except to flout and break them.

R293, yes, but that just makes it a two step process. Fire Rosenstein, replace him with a loyal fascist apparatchik, have him fire Mueller.

He's not getting away with anything, R292. Right now he's enjoying the privilege of a Presidency propped up by a corrupt Congress. His crimes are being recorded, investigated and cataloged and his time will come. I hope the FBI doesn't take as long as they did with that fucking pedophile and murderer, Bulger.

Comeuppance. I cannot wait.

R291, my apologies, you're right. Sessions can't fire Mueller. Rosenstein has to do it. Since Rosenstein isn't at all inclined to do so, Trump has to get rid of Rosenstein and get the person who's third in charge to fire Mueller. The third-in-line position recently changed hands, as the previous officer retired or something.

Who's the congressman from Utah who did the Hillary hearings? Maybe Trump will appoint him to replace Rosenstein.

Classic, R297, and one can only hope. I like this modern version, simple and to the point.

There will always be evil people, disgruntled people, paranoid, unbalanced people, people who are playing the victim card and are "grievance voters." But what incenses me is that they have been given weight and credibility by the news media. In the media's desperation to generate profits, they have ginned and hyped up our political campaigns, handicapping them like horse races and covering them as if they were some on going soap opera, or a sporting event, like the NCAA sweet 16, feeding us false equivalencies, etc. There are no standards only profits and spectacle. It's disgusting. Think about it. We now have a 24/7/365 news cycle with multiple ways to ingest our news and information. And yet here we are, the most poorly informed, gullible dumb asses with the lowest voter turnouts of any western democracy in a developed nation. In 2020, I will not watch any dog and pony shows referred to as "debates." I will not engage in the spectacle of who said what about whom. I know what I believe in, I know who I will vote for, and I don't intend to waste my time. I'm tired of being manipulated and shit on.

I think he will fire Mueller and the Republicans in charge will back him as their investigation has concluded that there was no collusion.

Rachel Brand, R298, was next in line after Rosenstein. She recently “retired” from DOJ to accept an offer from Walmart. It was reported that she was not looking to leave, but received “an offer she couldn’t refuse.” The Walmart heirs are big supporters of the Repug party and Trump.

R302 Republicans would be glad to back him as they're probably now scared that they're being investigated too.

[quote]But what incenses me is that they have been given weight and credibility by the news media.

By who? Who gave them that power in the first place? And who gave Facebook that sort of power? The masses give these outlets the power to corrupt them, because it's apparently important to be informed (doesn't matter if the information people receive is just lies and deceptions) and connected (even when that social connection is to someone who lies and deceives you). We are being conditioned to listen and obey so called authority and authority figures, because they know better what we need, and are supposed to believe and do, than we know ourselves.

To quote Nancy Reagan: Just. Say. No!

Julia Davis @JuliaDavisNews

#Russia's state TV seems pleased with Andrew McCabe's firing, describing it as "the organizers of a witch-hunt" ending up on the receiving end. They show clips of Trump saying "You're fired," followed by the clip from Fox News claiming that "Trump is draining the swamp."

If Trump is really draining the swamp, why hasn't he removed the swamp monster named Kellyanne?

Again-what could happen to Trump if he did fire Mueller?

Would it be the end of his presidency?

I find that hard to believe - but I so want to!

R308, I think if it's before the midterm elections, not much will happen. Ryan will say that the country need to calm down and we need to look into what's going on more (endlessly) before judging Trump's decision. The media will make a lot of noise, but then then the Times will write about how Trump's supporters still love him, and the other media outlets will follow. If it's after the midterms, and the Dems take the House, any inquiry they start as a result of Trump's firing of Mueller will be labeled partisan by McConnell, and the press will harp on that as the inquiry struggles for legitimacy and progress.

Expect the Times to undermine any serious inquiry into Mueller's firing. They're desperate to maintain moral equivalence.

The Republicans can't do too much if they're not in office. If Trump shuts Mueller down, there will be a tsunami not just a #BlueWave. Right now, the GOP is under the impression they may be able to salvage some seats. They have been pressuring Trump to clean up his act. He was supposed to get rid of people like Carson, De Vos, Pruitt, and the VA guy because they are all giving him bad publicity with their excesses.

He was supposed to tout tax cuts and a strong economy, and the North Korea Meeting was supposed to make him look like a diplomat. The Wall was to reassure people about his unchanging position on "Illegals." His plan was to go out and attack the Dems, and deal with the "social context" So while the Dems talk about DACA and immigration reform, Trump will emphasize "Illegals." and his wall. And his tariffs and the photo op with the steelworkers was another publicity stunt to make him look good.

In this way, the GOP hoped to salvage something in the midterms. They might lose the House but maybe not. Maybe they'd only lose a few sets. They intended to hold the Senate But all that is being eclipsed by his twitter rants about Mueller and the media focus on new Russia revelations every day. And instead of firing the people who the GOP want fired he is destabilizing the National Security Team by getting rid of Tillerson and soon, Mc Masters. It is really scaring the GOP that he has gone off the rails so badly and he isn't listening to them. But he is definitely listening/talking to somebody.

If they have Corey LEwandowski talking to Camridge Analytica in 2015 before Trump announced, that is a fucking big deal. This is what has Trump so pissed off. Mueller sending him questions may give Trump an indication of what Mueller is going to do and that has to be pissing him off. But Trump can't reach around Sessions to fire Rosenstein. And Sessions refuses to be fired. LOLOL!

Jill Winebanks said on TV the other night that when Nixon did his Saturday Night MAssacre, the investigative staff had to secure the files by taking some of them home. I hope Mueller is doing a much better job of making duplicates and sequestering them in a safe place, no at anyone's home.

Trump claims Mueller's team consists of many hardened Democrats. This from a creature who's purpose is to stack the Supreme Court and other judicial appointments with right-wing, biased, conservative judges. Republicans held off on appointing judges during Obama's term just for that purpose. Loathsome, lying hypocrites.

Mueller can only be fired for certain legitamate reasons. Expect an immediate lawsuit challenging the lawsuit if he fires Mueller. Cheeto has to actually show proof of his manic claims, no court will go with that.

R312, he's packing the courts...

Most of the republicans who would be in danger of losing their seat in the midterm elections have said they will not run again or have said they will retire after their term ends. The remaining republicans will back Trump when he decides to fire Mueller. Any lawsuit will be tried in a federal court and as R313 has said they have packed the court with conservative judges. There will be lots hand wringing and noise from Dems and non republicans but there is not much that can be done.

It must be time for another indictment and one that is a lulu.

R310 "If Trump shuts Mueller down, there will be a tsunami not just a #BlueWave."

In the House and in local/state governments, yes. But there isn't much room to move in the Senate. And McConnell has proven time and again he is shameless, doesn't care about public opinion, doesn't care about tradition, procedures or law, and will lie cheat and steal to "win." So there is a limit on what the Dems can do even if they retake the House in large numbers.

Youre all wrong regarding Trump firing Mueller......all he has to do is replace Sessions (who recused himself)...and that person can fire Mueller....Since they wouldnt be recused, they assume responsibility over Rosenstein....and the Mueller investigation.

It is time for couple more indictments. Junior and Kushner come to mind. Trump will pardon them though; then an uproar.

Can DJT pardon family & related culprits when he, himself, is under indictment as a co-conspirator? Fricking Congress should have fixed the rules on this.

Or he can simply fire Sessions and Rosenstein and keep firing people until he finds someone willing to fire Mueller. He won't have to go far.

As to what would happen, despite the tough talk from people like Graham, I really don't expect anything to happen with the current crop of Republicans in the House and Senate. Some of them will wring their hands and talk about how terrible this all is but ultimately nothing will happen.

I would be happy to be proved wrong, and would love for there to be such an outcry that even people like Ryan and McConnell have to take notice, but I'm skeptical. They've gone all in on Trump and on the assertions that the whole investigation is politically motivated and that it is a "nothing-burger." Hell, you even had Graham recommending that an independent prosecutor investigate the FBI for how it handled the Clinton email investigation and the FISA court applications.

We need the House back this year, at which point we can finally launch real investigations. I'd love there to be enough of a tidal wave that we could take back the Senate as well but the thing is that it really would take a tidal wave there.

Keep your fingers crossed and keep protesting and making noise. And get everyone you know out to vote.

[quote]Can DJT pardon family & related culprits when he, himself, is under indictment as a co-conspirator? Fricking Congress should have fixed the rules on this.

We've never been in this position before but yes, he likely can. It would take more than Congress to fix this, since the pardon power is granted by the Constitution. It would take an amendment.

R298 Supporters of Sessions, (which I am NOT), are giving him the benefit of the doubt by claiming he only fired McCabe because Trump would have fired him if he hadn't. And as we've learned before, as much as we disdain Jefferson BEAUregard Sessions, it's important he keep his job as long as he's recused. Otherwise, Trump can replace him with someone who would then eclipse Rosenstein, and that person can fire Mueller.

It's all strategy.

Trump cant pardon co-conspirators. If he could, Nixon would have done it also.

If Trump fires Sessions he has to get his replacement approved through the Senate, no?

That's not necessarily true, R322. Like I said, we're in uncharted territory:

[quote]"The President . . . shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in cases of Impeachment."

Pardoning a co-conspirator would likely be an impeachable offense but keep in mind that an impeachable offense is whatever the House of Representatives thinks it is.

Don't enable Zuckerberg. Delete your Facebook profile and terminate your use. FB's stock is tumbling today.

That's correct, R323, but he doesn't need a replacement to fire Mueller. He can do essentially what Nixon did, keep firing people or getting them to resign until he has someone in charge who will do his bidding.

Actually, he doesn't have to get a short-term replacement through the Senate. He can substitute in someone who has already had Senate confirmation (Hello, Zinke) for a short period - I think 210 days.

Interesting. I wasn't aware of that, R327. Thank you.

R322, R323, and a bunch of others....

When it comes to Donald Trump, whatever is or isn't technically legal makes no difference to him. He'll believe whatever lawyer tells him what he wants to hear. And he WILL have Mueller fired whatever way he can manage. It's inevitable. And as we keep learning, even if something IS legal technically and Trump breaks that law, enforcing it is another matter. Can anybody come up with a single thing Trump has not gotten away with? They're not gonna just pull him out of his White House office, and they're certainly not gonna throw him in a jail cell. He's been getting away with everything for 71 years. Nothing's gonna stop him now.

What we have to focus on, is how we're gonna act once he has had Mueller fired. We can't control what he does, (at least for now), but we can control how we handle it - or how we try to influence those in power who CAN do something about it.

Right now, those two people are Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. It is SO obvious somebody has something on them, because even they would have done something by now otherwise. l

Trump can issue pardon's for federal crimes, but not state charges. New York supposedly has charges lined up for all the kleptrokrat family.

NY State should indeed have charges on Kushner and Ivanka. I also heard that Mueller was sharing evidence with Shneiderman in NY.

Don't know why I inserted that stray apostrophe into pardons at R330. Opps.

Federal judges reject Republican congressmen's lawsuit challenging Pennsylvania district map.

Trump will claim that Mueller is heading a witch hunt which is enough reason to fire him (through Session's and Rosenstein's replacements).

Of tangenial interest: Russian Observers Charge Fraud in Putin’s Landslide Re-Election

Cameras capture ballot-stuffing in numerous polling stations

Trump and his council know that, right now, he can't technically have Mueller fired. He has to have merit, which as of now, doesn't exist. So they're trying to build a case of merit while grabbing support along the way. We don't know the full story of why McCabe was fired. According to FBI officials, there is cause. They just can't reveal the extent of it at this point. But it gives Trump a sliver of an excuse to claim McCabe is highly corrupt, and thus call him "a liar" in an attempt to damage his credibility. Therefore, anything McCabe has testified to Mueller must be total lies, therefore "a Witch Hunt". Anything to get him to the point where just cause to fire Mueller can be established. His tweets were probably written in advance and ready to go.

R334 Really? That is SO hard to believe. Poor Vlad and what he has to put up with!

^^sorry, R35

^^oh fuck. I mean R335. And I haven't even started drinking yet. Sorry guys.

What is wrong with you R339? Don't you know here in America, Des Moines, IA for exact to be, we drink while posting.

Miz Lindz pushes for a special counsel to further investigate the FISA warrant on Carter Page and then to pursue the Clinton Foundation after an investigation has already occurred; then she says if Trump fires Mueller, it's the beginning of the end to Trump's presidency.

This follows a long pattern of teasing one way, then acting another. She can always be counted on, voting with the GOP rank and file.

Did discover, however, her beauty secret.

Statement by McCabe's lawyer

Trump just hired that nutjob attorney Joseph diGenova......surprise...a fox news regular and a conspiracy theorist who claims the DOJ and FBI are working in cahoots to de-legitimize and run Trump from office.

Something big is about to happen soon. More indictments?

This conspiracy runs deep and wide, and was years in the making. There's a bunch in Congress that are tainted in this mess.

Just when you think it can't get anymore insane...

Call me crazy, but this thread series keeps me better informed than any regular news outlet. Love it.

I agree with you R346.

Putin doesn't care if they are caught stuffing the ballot boxes he will just murder the opposition.

I've had the same experience, R346. The DL has been pretty much on top of this and offering multiple opinions, articles with links, and expert legal opinion along the way. The bots are even fun to fuck with. Great threads.

The GOP in all it's Glory

[quote]Trump just hired that nutjob attorney Joseph diGenova

diGenova told Fox News Channel in January that the Mueller investigation is “a brazen plot to illegally exonerate Hillary Clinton and, if she didn’t win the election, to then frame Donald Trump with a falsely created crime.

“Make no mistake about it: A group of FBI and DOJ people were trying to frame Donald Trump of a falsely created crime,” diGenova said.

Be prepared for an armed revolution later this year.

I get that deGenova might be an effective mouthpiece on Fox News, but that doesn’t speak well to his skill as a lawyer, does it? What judge or jury (grand or otherwise) is going to buy his fact-free hysteria? Just another disastrous, Fox-directed decision made by their #1 fan.

R352, I know you're kidding, unless you figure the deplorables are going to go nuts after their fuckdog is impeached? We want them gone and behind bars, legally and rightfully done. If anyone takes up arms to defend these criminals, they will face charges and be put away where they are no longer a harm to civil society.

Loved that in the first para by McCabe's lawyer @ R342 'deplorable' is used - surely pointedly?

The word is rightly embedded on DL, but it's heartening to see it used forcefully in a high-profile takedown. Deliciously apt.

The deplorables are too stoned/high to do much after their 'dear leader' faces justice. They'll sooth their feelings with some extra meth, crack, and smack.

An undercover investigation by Channel 4 News reveals how Cambridge Analytica secretly campaigns in elections across the world. Bosses were filmed talking about using bribes, ex-spies, fake IDs and sex workers.

The problem remains that his Deplorables feel validated by Trump and the media. I believe this must be taken away from them first to guarantee they don't grab their guns and other weapons to fight for their beloved leader. They will not fight in a (freshly) demoralized state of mind.

That means Facebook has to go, R358, and likely Instagram, Twitter and Reddit, too. Vestigial MySpace. Quora, Metafilter. Online newspaper comment sections that do not use real names. It will be just email until the next chancer fills the void.

I think it is time. The cyber attacks are destroying democracy.

Bruce Barlett, Reagon's Economic Advisdor, the grandfather of all trickle down theories, reads our Beloved Senatrice to filth!.

Kevin Beaumont, Esquire ‏ Verified account

@GossiTheDog Follow Follow @GossiTheDog More Breaking: Channel 4 just announced they’re airing another undercover film tomorrow where Cambridge Analytica say they won the election for Donald Trump and describe how. This is a car crash airing live on TV. Journalism matters.

Agree that DL is THE place for news and commentary.

Mostly intelligent and informed people posting and adding to stories from different sites.

And the trashing of Miss Thang is always entertaining.

“Trump’s election consultants filmed saying they use bribes and sex workers to entrap politicians”

Holy cow.

^^^OMFG

It's kind of hilarious that they are secretly recorded saying those things when some Republican douchebag used the same method to bring down Planned Parenthood.

Karma = BITCH!

More about the sex workers, and entrapment, please.

Who did they blackmail? We need names.

Step aside, Project Vericrap

Channel 4 makes cnn look like the Cartoon Network.

I agree with some of the posters above. DL and this thread in particular has been amazing for information. I find way more stuff here than I ever see anywhere else.

Trump's twitter rant will be worth staying up all night to see it unfold in real time.

[quote] Channel 4 makes cnn look like the Cartoon Network.

Now now, r368. What did Cartoon Network do to you to deserve such an insult?

I have to wonder who dropped this little tidbit to the media? Does that explain the frantic tweets this weekend? Or are there more lurid revelations to come?

LOVE these Mueller threads! You guys rock!!!

Good point r371.

It took a whistleblower to get this going when we all knew what they were up to.

Where are the feds? Congress? Even local police should be involved if there is blackmail and sex workers.

The state bureaus? Civil courts? Why is this just now coming out.

Also agree that Datalounge has the news I can't get anywhere else - in one thread.

BTW, who are the complainers that shriek "ANOTHER Trump thread?!?!?!!" "DL used to be amazing but now it's Trump Trump Trump all the time! UGH!"

Do y'all think those are bots trying to make the "average gay man" sick of hearing about what's happening to our country? That those complaints are also part of the talking points/narrative?

I cannot imagine this Channel 4 report was unknown to CA. They must have closed up shop and destroyed all files in advance, right?

At least there are still examples out there if the American media ever chooses to return to its once strong roots in investigative reporting.

Does the sexual blackmail stuff have anything to do with the 35 republican members of Congress’s sudden and unexpected resignations?

We deserve answers here. Enough with the cover-ups. It’s time for it to all come out.

So the Channel 4 thing... did all the republicans take the ukranian hooker bait?

Is that why they've all rolled over for Trump?

Here's what they caught the CEO saying (on video):

I mean, deep digging is interesting, but you know equally effective can be just to go and speak to the incumbents and to offer them a deal that's too good to be true and make sure that's video recorded. These sorts of tactics are very effective, instantly having video evidence of corruption, putting it on the internet, these sorts of things. We'll have a wealthy developer come in, somebody posing as a wealthy developer. They will offer a large amount of money to the candidate, to finance his campaign, in exchange for land, for instance. We'll have the whole thing recorded on cameras. We'll blank out the face of our guy and then post it on the internet. Send some girls around to the candidates house. We have lots of history of things.

It didn't say R380 - it was all general type info they gave to the reporter who posed as a Sri Lankan businessman who said he wanted to get into politics. One example was they would get someone to pose as a developer and approach a politician and offer a big donation in return for favors and if the politician agreed they'd have it on film and he'd be compromised. They talked about what countries they've operated in (Brazil, Kenya etc) and about the 'dark' stuff they could do (the hookers) that lies underneath the legit stuff. Tomorrow night they are airing the Trump election stuff so who knows what will emerge there. It's on you tube now if you want to watch it.

Finally it feels like the dots are all falling into place.

[quote]ukranian hooker bait

I don't even want to think about the various elements of that phrase.

[quote] ukranian hooker bait

Why, I never ... the mere thought of a woman of the night putting a spell on me!

Just In: The U.S. Supreme Court chose not to block a new Pennsylvania congressional district map.

The district map, drawn by Pennsylvania's Supreme Court, replaces one drawn by Republicans in the state.

The new map makes Democrats more competitive in multiple House districts in Pennsylvania.

God asks Bush: "What do you believe in?" Bush answers: "I believe in the free market, and the strong American nation!" "Very well," says God. "Come sit to my right." Next, God asks Obama: "What do you believe in?" Obama answers: "I believe in the power of democracy, and equal rights for all." "Good,” says God. "You shall sit to my left." Finally, God asks Trump: "What do you believe in?" Trump answers: "I believe you're sitting in my chair."

Lawrence Tribe, a Constitutional expert and professor at Harvard Lw School was just on with Ari Melber. He says that Trump is too underhanded and sneaky to outright fire Mueller But what he may do instead which would be even worse, is fire Sessions and Rosenstein, then appoint someone who will NOT fire Mueller but will instead block him, restrain him and obstruct his ability to investigate. All of that would be permissible. So Tribe says this is not similar to Nixon's "Saturday Night Massacre" but more like a slow motion strangulation. Now that is fucking chilling. They're saying Trump is using the "OJ Defense." The facts of the case are not defensible. So they are attacking the the "System."

Let him use the OJ defense, the fucking idiot.

r375, I haven't heard so much of that incessant screaming as of late. Maybe more so right after the election when there were indeed a ton of Trump threads. It's nice to now have most of the day-to-day information and commentary consolidated in these Treason threads, despite the inevitable separate threads for major breaking news. Believe it or not, there are probably a good number of DataLounge readers who have zero interest in politics or government. Obviously these threads are nice for those of us who view the Trump debacle as a clear threat to American democracy.

Christie has been going on ABC week after week to gently hand-hold the Republican party into accepting that Mueller's investigation is serious and not ending soon. Last week he said that it would be inappropriate for Trump to fire Mueller. He's always very careful to give Trump someone else to blame - either Trump isn't being "well-served" by his advisors, or the lawyers are trying to cover up for the bad advice they have given Trump. He's basically telling the White House the narrative they should be following - and the fact that he's doing this on TV, probably in an effort to reach Trump, indicates to me that Trump is probably ignoring everything that Christie has said to him in private.

I think that every Republican who has been a prosecutor knows exactly where this is heading. That's probably why Gowdy is retiring and Christie turned down other job opportunities with the administration.

No wonder she was on 'Celebrity Apprentice' so many times despite being worthless and talent-free!

But I think Judd means "fourth child" not "third."

Gross.

It has become slow torture expecting heinous news everyday from this White House of Doom.

Can anyone verify this?

Channel 4 apparently claiming that Authorities have a warrant to search Cambridge A TONIGHT!

Ol' Turtle McConnell has been rather quiet lately, hasn't he?

r277, Bob Barker isn't dead! He's 94.

R341, where might one purchase this product, were one so inclined?

R391, just when I think we've scraped the bottom of the barrel with this family, it turns out there's plenty more layers of gross.

Vairst Letty Melania iss NOT from Ukrenn! Andt NOT chip "whokair bet"!

Vass expensiff whokair bet. Haha! Kiddingk!

Not rilly.

ZUCK is toast!

Facebook sheds nearly $40 billion of market cap as investors flee stock.

Aubrey I know you go low but DJT JR? Damn.

HAHAHA, Trump is considering firing his lawyers. He must be feeling the heat!

r403, they probably beg him to cut a deal and Trump is all "I don't grovel and plead for a deal! There is a better way to get out of this and you are total losers for even suggesting this to me! You're fired!".

I think Mueller would cut a deal with him in order to get rid of the threat of getting fired and not allowed to complete the purging of rotten apples. Remember, this investigation is more than just about Trump. Once Trump is out of office, Mueller can still keep investigating him and all the culprits involved.

I’m still wondering if there’s a connection between the blackmail and the 30 something congressional resignations.

Anyone want to tackle that one?

If that is the situation, if the resigning members are on tape, then they would be given a certain amount of forgiveness for fessing up.

But resigning is the next best thing. I’m wondering if that’s what we are dealing with.

It's very probable that's what we are seeing. Unlike Nixon, Trump is openly destroying the country. It might be more urgent for Mueller and the Intelligence community to get him out soon, and indict him later. Trump's wealth is definitely going to be picked apart, but that can be done after he resigns. Mueller's investigation doesn't end with Trump leaving office. It ends until he finishes his investigation into the whole 2016 campaign.

Trump will never resign. His ego wouldn't allow him to.

[quote]Channel 4 apparently claiming that Authorities have a warrant to search Cambridge A TONIGHT!

Yes, a Brit was interviewed earlier on msnbc saying that they will be going in tomorrow.

R410 tomorrow? Why give them the heads up?

^ Theresa probably fucked a few of them and is in on it. CA was for Brexit.

Mueller really has no control over what State attorneys general do. Once Trump leaves the White House he will be prosecuted for crimes at the state level. That's a fact. Mueller can negotiate a Presidential resignation, but I don't see him agreeing to exonerate Jared or Donnie Jr. Certainly not Flynn or Manafort either. So if Trump resigns he won't be handing out pardons.

I'm delighted with the news about Cambridge Analytica and also by the fact the media is all over it. It's about damned time. This is the "smoking gun." This connects Russia and the Trump campaign directly. Then you add in all the corruption and the quid pro quo after the election and that's the ballgame. Trump is fucked.

It also points to an international conspiracy, a world wide conspiracy. Brexit, France , Germany, etc.etc.etc. I believe the international intelligence community is helping Mueller. Mueller is like Eisenhower managing the entire allied command, LOL! There will be leaks coming from Europ now and no one will be able to stop the flow of information.

I think because of the international scope of all of this, there are a number a members of Congress who will start coming around to the fact they have to go after Trump, now or they'll look like they were bribed and compromised with Ukrainian hookers. LOL! So at this point it's better to speak against Trump then look like they were blackmailed. No wonder Trump is going nuts. And he has a shit for brains legal team of people who are all conspiracy fans.

[quote] It ends [when] he finishes his investigation into the whole 2016 campaign.

Technically, Rosenstein authorized Mueller to prosecute any crimes of whatever nature he finds during the course of his investigation. Which is why Manafort and his sleazy, slimy ilk are getting snared by crimes that are not really about the 2016 election.

And, while I think that Larry Tribe's hypothesis has merit, I think he gives Cheatolini too much credit. Trump is a vain, impulsive cretin who wants what he wants when he wants it. I don't think he has the temperament for playing the "long game."

Alternative take:

Kenneth P. VogeL: BIGGEST SECRET ABOUT CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA: It was (& is) an overpriced service that delivered little value to the TRUMP campaign, & the other campaigns & PACs that retained it — most of which hired the firm because it was seen as a prerequisite for receiving $$$ from the MERCERS.

BTW: It's not MY conclusion that CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA didn't deliver value for the campaigns & PACs that paid it. That was the conclusion of the people who ran the campaigns & PACs, some of whom stopped using the firm (or reduced its portfolio) mid-election because it was useless.

The reason (some) operatives praised CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA was to appease the MERCERS. @TedCruz's campaign & PAC touted the co. back when @tparti & I broke the 1st Cambridge story in 7/15. But a few mos. later, they had all-but stopped using Cambridge's svcs

r414, but how do we get rid of these spineless cretins who are only willing to do the right thing with guns to their heads? This has to stop. We need to real leaders. We need people in charge who can't be bought with a Groupon for the Wednesday evening Thaitown happy ending massage special. These people are horrific. They fail on every level as human beings.

Is "Tracie" @ r394 JT Leroy?

NICE, R418. Looks just like "him" !

Well, R416 just pissed in my cornflakes.

He's probably right.

R389 "Believe it or not, there are probably a good number of DataLounge readers who have zero interest in politics or government."

That used to be me. I really miss those days!!

R387 "Lawrence Tribe, a Constitutional expert and professor at Harvard Lw School was just on with Ari Melber. He says that Trump is too underhanded and sneaky to outright fire Mueller But what he may do instead which would be even worse, is fire Sessions and Rosenstein, then appoint someone who will NOT fire Mueller but will instead block him, restrain him and obstruct his ability to investigate."

These interviews worry me. This isn't a stategy Trump or one of his dumb lawyers would consider. But Sean Hannity will see it and either suggest it to Trump or have someone on Fox and Friends report it so Trump sees it. We have to stop giving this schmuck good ideas.

I imagine the deplorables have ordered every last tiki torch from around the globe in preparation for the day Rump is indicted. It will be quite a day. 65% of the country will swilling champagne and dancing in the streets while 35% set their hair on fire.

I agree, R422. I thought of that while watching MSNBC this afternoon.

R424 Take Alan Dershowitz, for example. Someone I USED to have a lot of respect for. I don't know whether he's going senile or lost his mind some other way, but lately he's been a Fox News contributor practically auditioning for the job of Trump's attorney, (I'm surprised he hasn't yet been hired). He's smart enough to know that strategy and might have been on the phone 5 minutes later.

[quote] Kenneth P. VogeL: BIGGEST SECRET ABOUT CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA: It was (& is) an overpriced service that delivered little value to the TRUMP campaign, & the other campaigns & PACs that retained it — most of which hired the firm because it was seen as a prerequisite for receiving $$$ from the MERCERS.

The thing is that a lot of people put value in the data social media outlets like facebook sells to them. To call it overinflated or overvalued sounds, to me, like a desperate attempt to let facebook and or / CA off the hook.

So revealing that Trump thinks reshuffling his lawyers and cabinet will make any difference. The Titanic captain is rearranging deck chairs.

[quote]Mueller is like Eisenhower managing the entire allied command

Indeed it's a formidable task: not just forensic investigation going back years, but also handling and foreseeing the shameless vicious forces desperate to shut him down.

The martial simile in the quote is so apt. If this freakish debacle ends as we pray it will, it would be just - and the absolute coup de grace for worthless Trump - were Mueller to be awarded the highest national honours, and indeed The Nobel.

[quote] So revealing that Trump thinks reshuffling his lawyers and cabinet will make any difference. The Titanic captain is rearranging deck chairs.

He's biding time. He waits for something. Divine intervention, "terrorist attack" (aka inside job), Putin officially invading the US and doing away with all the Democratic government nonsense, Ivanka ready to sway the public with her angelic voice or dance moves, ...

We ned someone to hack the IRS, get his tax returns and dump then on a public forum. When we see how much Russian money is involved the shit will really hit the fan.

Mueller does not negotiate impeachment terms; that is a Congressional role. Mueller can file indictments for alleged federal crimes via DOJ.

R416 reads like troll disinformation and so does R422, trump-apologists. Just sayin’.

Sorry, meant R416 and R420, not R422.

Read on twitter that Ken Vogel, of the Cambridge A was useless anyway tweets, also claimed last year that there was no need for ANY investigation into Russian interference in the election. So I'll take him with a pillar of salt and wait to see what tonight's Channel 4 expose, which looks at CA and the Trump campaign, reveals.

Does anyone have any facts and figures regarding the "loading of the federal courts" with wingnut judges who will do Trump's bidding? I'd really like some proper information on this rather than just alarming generalizations. TIA.

What’s most despicable about what the Trump campaign and Cambridge Analytica did was they way they spread LIES targeted to make people afraid. On the videotape of the sting, the CA exec gleefully talks about spreading “propoganda”. It’s not the truth. It’s shit they made up!

No wonder some freak showed up at a pizza shop with a gun because he heard it was running a child porn ring connected to Podesta. The idiot read about it online because it was put there by groups like Cambridge Analytica.

It's the sad truth that people push other people's buttons (exploit their weaknesses) to manipulate them. It happens in real life relationships, it happens in religion, it happens in the media and it happens on online message boards.

Educate yourself and know when other people try to push your buttons (manipulate you) and then make the deliberate decision whether you let them manipulate you or refuse to be manipulated.

Just look at Datalounge and how trolls push all these so called threats to distract from the likes of Trump or the GOP.

R277, Bob Barker is NOT DEAD TO ME!

R425 makes me picture Christine Baranski as Melania saying, "I made heem hire you: 'get de Jew,' I said!"

R415, Last night on MSNBC, Chris Matthews went there. It was a good show. Between spot on political analysis and Legal experts, they illustrated in very specific terms, how we all get the impression that Trump is impulsive and flies by the seat of his pants, that he doesn't have the temperament for "the long game." But we would be wrong. They reconstructed recent events, and every move he's making, and showed how deliberate he has been with his legal strategy, which is equal parts political and PR strategy.

Trump has spent his adult life dealing with litigation. As Kristol pointed out last night, he has a particular kind of low cunning that allows almost instinctive maneuvering. People may think he's dumb because he is not knowledgeable, but they would be wrong. He is an expert on self preservation. As for Lawrence Tribe giving Trump's people ideas, I'm pretty sure that Trump is getting advice from a lot of people interested in either maintaining his presidency or prolonging it. All they'd have to do is look at the options available to him and the potential consequences in exercising any one option. He is learning how to deal with certain aspects of this investigation in a political way. Thus clipping Mueller's wings instead of firing him is something worth looking at. Trump is very revenge oriented. He can wait.

Trump's impulse might be to go for the "You're fired!" flamboyant, "I'm the boss!" tactics when it comes to Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller, but he is also sadistic enough to appreciate keeping Mueller in office, and boxing him in to the point he is restrained from doing too much damage. I'm thinking at this point it's Rosenstein, the guy who approves every move Mueller makes, who is the target of the Trump Defense strategy.

a perverse way, Trump might be enjoying all this strategizing. If so, enjoy it while it lasts, because he is going down. Trump doesn't fully appreciate, nor do his asshole attorneys, even De Genova the Buffoon, that this is much bigger than a simple criminal defense strategy. This is international. This is treason. And there will be no way they can cover it up, or rationalize it or justify it. There will be no "Alternative facts" for them to comfort themselves with.

As for Cambridge Anayltica's value, while in some ways overstated, in others dangerously effective. If they had the expertise to know how to use it effectively, they were able to apply a level of sophistication to knowledge of voter behavior that was unique, and if it was only marginally effective it still provided the cover needed to allow Russian hackers to manipulate vote results. Personally, I think it was effective. I think Cruz's people weren't smart enough to use it well. It certainly worked for Brexit. As a general rule, once something is exposed, it becomes less effective. Shining a spotlight on this and how it works will go a long way toward neutralizing it.

[quote]So the Channel 4 thing... did all the republicans take the ukranian hooker bait?

I think we're going to find out they've all been fiddling with underage hookers.

[quote] I think we're going to find out they've all been fiddling with underage hookers.

Gee, you think?

[quote]there is not much that can be done.

How very Russian.

We may be congenitally late, but we'll fix this shit and knock you back on your sorry ass.

So this tells me that Bannon was in this up to his neck. Working for Cambridge Analytica and the Mercers, he was very likely involved in the weird shit going on politically in various European countries.

Guys like Bannon get off on the idea to create their own foot soldiers by brainwashing them through things like social media. It's all about recruiting an army to do his bidding for him.

Anyone have any news on the Analytica raid?

The concepts of how to use all that data (manipulating fears and emotions) just reeks of Bannon.

DT's's strategy now is to play the victim of the so-called Deep State. He will be riling-up his base using personal attacks, character assassinations, intimidation, hacking away at personnel, promoting new conspiracy theories, and pushing more right-wing messaging and policies. Low information, under-educated, primarily white, majority male, who are already his supporters, are his audience for the new round of bullshit. The intent is to increase their anger and spur confrontations. The GOP Congress fears alienating them by opposing Trump's effort. DT's base watches Fox News for most of their limited and distorted information. Rupert Murdoch is a long-term personal acquaintance of both Trump and Putin. Expect Fox reporting to become more outrageous.

DT's methodology, as usual, will be intimidation, pushing falsehoods, tweeting unfounded accusations, delivering more staged rallies, relying on right-wing media outlets, and non-prevention of ongoing 'Russher' meddling. Look for an international dispute, such as withdrawing from the Iran Nuclear Agreement, to distract and fan the flames.

[quote]He will be riling-up his base using personal attacks, character assassinations, intimidation, hacking away at personnel, promoting new conspiracy theories, and pushing more right-wing messaging and policies.

So, business as usual.

R447, that's been Trump's strategy all along, so nothing has really changed. And it's just not effective anymore. He's keeping his hardcore base, the ones who keep yelling "Fake News" and "But Hillary!!!" and "But Obama!!!", but it's just not enough to hold back the tide.

[quote]Does anyone have any facts and figures regarding the "loading of the federal courts" with wingnut judges who will do Trump's bidding? I'd really like some proper information on this rather than just alarming generalizations. TIA.

See the link.

I had to laugh out loud tis morning....the very first thing Meghan McCain spewed out of her mouth on The View was that "Obama did the same thing" regarding facebook. An obvious GOP talking point, as its already been mentioned up thread. What they are missing is that Obama used facebook, but he used it to promote his own message......he didnt take that data, sell it, repackage it, run it through a foreign propaganda machine and use it as a weapon against his political opponents and to manipulate the public through lies and complete fabrications.

One thing I'm convinced of. And Ted Lieu, who I usually admire and support, said it out loud today and honestly, I could slap him. He said something like "If Trump fires Mueller there will be widespread civil unrest." Now that is just plain stupid. Some of the people on twitter who correctly responded to that said not to provoke Trump into declaring Martial Law. Honestly, that's what concerns me. Yes he is going to get more strident and aggressive and he will stir up his base. Yes, it's the same old shit dialed up a few notches. But Trump is perfectly capable of provoking violence to invent an excuse to declare martial law. I'm not talking about peaceful protest marches, I'm talking about something like the tiki torch crowd.

[quote]he didnt take that data, sell it, repackage it, run it through a foreign propaganda machine and use it as a weapon against his political opponents and to manipulate the public through lies and complete fabrications.

Another shining example of MAGA!

What I find disturbing about McCain is how strongly she'll defend Drumpf despite how many times he's attacked her father. That goes to show you how fucked up Rethugs are and how they're so willing to stick together no matter what.

R454 that discipline and that unity is what helps them win. I mean aside from their lying, cheating and stealing.

Oh, no doubt R455. Dems should take a page from them. Instead... we go ahead and eat our own.

[quote]I had to laugh out loud tis morning....the very first thing Meghan McCain spewed out of her mouth on The View was that "Obama did the same thing" regarding facebook. An obvious GOP talking point

Yep, that's been the line on every right-wing outlet this morning – which don't have guests or callers who will push back on it.

[quote]What I find disturbing about McCain is how strongly she'll defend Drumpf despite how many times he's attacked her father.

It's all the more incredible because she treated Trump with as much disdain as she did Hillary during the Republican primary campaign. She was nothing more than a reluctant supporter during the Trump-Hillary battle. But once he got into office, she was all in.

[quote]DT's's strategy now is to play the victim of the so-called Deep State.

It's working -- a new poll identifies 74% of Americans agreeing that the deep state, "a group of unelected government and military officials who secretly manipulate or direct national policy,” “definitely” or “probably” exists.

"Once thought of as the domain of conspiracy theorists (and, later, the president of the United States), the perception of unelected officials having undue influence has gone mainstream."

I hope someone put her in her place. Please tell me they did.

They tried, but she kept talking over everyone, so Whoopi changed the subject.

That's what they do. Whoopi just needed to say she was lying and then move on.

Back in the old days, when I used to run and work on political campaigns it was standard operating procedure, if you could afford it, to buy mailing lists so you could do mass mailings.

We also did very accurate polling, because there were no cell phones. I can't even remember how many times I sat on the opposite side of a two way mirror to observe a focus group, culled from our polling, so we could develop & design our messaging to "convince" voters to support us.

IMO, what Obama and Romney and others did was simply the modern high tech version of what we were doing in the 60's, 70's and 80's. I believe it was back in the late 40's and for sure the early 50's when the soap salesmen, (that's what we called the ad people, ) started doing research to create a demand for a product, which is essentially what advertising is. By 1948-1950 those techniques were emerging in political campaigns. AS I read my political history, I believe it was Eisenhower who first used them in a national campaign.

So what Meghan McCain and all these other assholes who play on the stupidity of the masses are doing is taking what Obama, Romney & others have done, which is standard in any professionally run campaign, and conflating it with the twisted, fraudulent, nasty shit Cambridge Analytica, Facebook, and the Russians were doing in 2016. If some one can't come up with a soundbite to draw the distinction, they will continue to peddle their lies.

Oops. Let me clarify. I meant that it was in the late 40's and early 50's the soap salesmen started applying their advertising principles to political campigns in a more organized, deliberate manner.

No one is upset with those tactics, R464. Their intentions were clearly identified. Here, they were not.

r465....yes, but throw the name Obama and/or Clinton into the mix, and suddenly what people know in their guts to be wrong is suddenly ok because those damn libtards pulled the same tricks so its only fair. Logic, reason and facts have no meaning.

r437, See r396. :-)

r459: "......the perception of unelected officials having undue influence has gone mainstream."

As well it should! But the names of the "unelected" are Mercer, Koch, Murdoch, Zuckerberg, LaPierre, Putin,.....

[quote]So what Meghan McCain and all these other assholes who play on the stupidity of the masses are doing is taking what Obama, Romney & others have done, which is standard in any professionally run campaign, and conflating it with the twisted, fraudulent, nasty shit Cambridge Analytica, Facebook, and the Russians were doing in 2016. If some one can't come up with a soundbite to draw the distinction, they will continue to peddle their lies.

Exactly, false equivalence again.

There needs to be more hammering down on the difference being the CA / Trump campaign's connection to outright fraud, distributing fake news, and employing dirty tricks strategy as revealed by the Channel 4 videos, and links with Russian foreign intelligence. If anyone still claims Obama and Romney did the same, they should be grilled on what foreign intelligence and what fraud and fake news and foreign hookers were employed by the previous social media campaigns.

Joy Reid @JoyAnnReid

Wow, the Senate Intelligence Committee just came out in favor of all U.S. voting machines having an auditable paper trail. And they made clear that the U.S. must make clear that the attack on our election in 2016 was a hostile act. This is shockingly productive.

[quote]And they made clear that the U.S. must make clear that the attack on our election in 2016 was a hostile act.

I'm sure Trumpy is sequestered, honing that tweet for maximum impact right now.

No, it wouldn't, r429. There's a reason Mueller has pulled in the people at FinCEN. Only they or people like them can make sense of those tax returns.

They will have to untangle that mess (trusts acting as shells for LLCs and S corps acting as partners in other LLCs). Thinking that dropping one of his 1940's on the public will matter is just wishful thinking.

It is not unreasonable to say some of these Congressmen and Senators may have been set up with foreign hookers with big tits and inviting vaginas.

It is also safe to say Miss Lindz was not among that particular group that partaked.

Wow, the Senate Intelligence Committee just came out in favor of all U.S. voting machines having an auditable paper trail. And they made clear that the U.S. must make clear that the attack on our election in 2016 was a hostile act. This is shockingly productive.

The Republican Chair is Senator Burr from North Carolina, right? He's been fairly reasonable. Extremely reasonable compared to most other R Senators.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) blasted President Trump on Tuesday over news that Trump phoned Russian President Vladimir Putin to congratulate him on his recent electoral win.

In a statement, McCain called Trump's phone call to Putin an insult to "every Russian citizen who was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election to determine their country's future."

“An American president does not lead the Free World by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections," McCain said.

"And by doing so with Vladimir Putin, President Trump insulted every Russian citizen who was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election to determine their country's future, including the countless Russian patriots who have risked so much to protest and resist Putin's regime."

[quote] inviting vaginas.

I refuse to process the RSVPs.

[quote] It is also safe to say Miss Lindz was not among that particular group that partaked.

I have no comment on such a tawdry affair.

Bob Barker is still alive and grabbing ass? WOW

As stated, the mellifous mixture is so fragrant. It'a a blend of Viginias and Birleys with a dash of Deer Tongue for vanilla-like sweetness, and a smidgen of Perique for spice.

This is not my bath oil, though it may be used as delightful potpourri.

It is Gentleman's Caller pipe tobacco. Have some on hand when he rings your doorbell. He'll come back again and again.

[quote]Wow, the Senate Intelligence Committee just came out in favor of all U.S. voting machines having an auditable paper trail.

So is anyone questioning WHY they came out in favor of it? Did they perhaps uncover that votes were actually tampered with? Is that what people are missing in this news?

That news already hit the headlines, R480. Machines were hacked in several states. Also, Reality Winner's information suppressed by the NSA.

One link:

Well, R481 they've known that the machines were hacked, yes... and didn't care and weren't going to do anything about it. They haven't said if actual votes were changed so that was my question. Wondering if they had proof that votes were changed and that's why they were acting on it now.

I think that is PRECISELY the information that Reality Winner uncovered and blew the whistle on, R483. If I recall, the Intercept fucked up badly and they tracked her down and suppressed her information.

Another more recent link:

R425 here. Last night I was trashing Alan Dershowitz, and I just saw this:

Who is Reality Winner?

R486, it's disgusting that Alan Dershowitz has become a Trump supporter.

R489 Trump truly must have this strange power in person. A certain charm that just overwhelms even the staunchest of detractors once they've actually met him face to face for the first time. OJ apparently has it too. Maybe it's a gift sociopaths are born with. How else could you explain the obvious and sheer hatred from those of us based on what we see and hear when watching him on television boasting at his rallies, yet the large crowds at the rallies who don't recognize him for the charlatan grifting carnival barker he is, or people of supposed intelligence like Dersowitz and others who suddenly do an about face. It's like they immediately need to go thru a Karen Silkwood like cleansing once exposed to Trump.

r490. Crooks and Snake Oil Salesmen can read people, find their weaknesses and exploit them for their personal gain. Of course sometimes too much success comes with overinflated egos where they get sloppy.

R490, or they are being blackmailed. There's been a pedo rumor about Dershowitz that has been floating around for a while. That would explain his about face.

I’m sure Trump is a very overpowering presence in person. And, in my experience, Republicans are weirdly primitive people. To a one, they bow down to the biggest Alpha Male (read: bully) in the room.

It’s part of what they couldn’t stand about Obama. He was a Beta Male; more Mr. Spock than Captain Kirk. They couldn’t make sense of why people liked him. Oh, and he was black.

R492 Either you or someone else mentioned that previously. Maybe, but I don't think so. Even if he had been tied to Jeffrey Epstein, (which is the claim), why would they bother? Epstein isn't anyone special anymore. And like I wrote previously, (and the appearance I just posted backs up), it seems like Dershowitz is auditioning to be hired.

Maybe the Russians perfected body doubling.

I won't assume you're a boris bot, R494, but you sound a little too dismissive of Epstein and his reputation for me to think you're not something of an apologist. Epstein, if you didn't know this already, has a lot of video and audio of many of the world's most important men cavorting on his pedo island on his pedo plane.

Earlier posters (early 480s): There has been no evidence actual voting machines were hacked in 2016. These were state elections databases and voting registration systems. If you want to make the jump to actual votes being hacked or changed, go right ahead. But that's not what either of those article links or other legitimate media outlets have reported. Fact-twisting is a slippery slope. That's what the Rethugs do in spades. Best to avoid it.

Actual vote-hacking is very likely an eventual goal of the Russians. And the current administration has done a woeful job of admitting the threat and taking decisive action to prevent future vote tampering from an obvious foreign adversary (as it has benefited them). But I definitely want to avoid simply making things up like the Dark Side does.

The link below is in regards to a frequent contributor to Fox News. It kind of indirectly relates to a few of the discussions we've been having. I hope it's the start of many following suit. ;

Dershowitz was connected with that Epstein stuff. As someone said earlier, he may want on the Trump legal team, or be Fox's highly paid, top mouthpiece giving legal perspectives defending Trump as this saga coontinues. Never a fan.

Dershowitz DEFENDED notorious pedophile Jeffrey Epstein when he was tried for (and found guilty but whose punishment was a very suspicious slap on the wrist) underage sex trafficking - providing underage girls to his rich, powerful friends. Two of Epstein's rich, powerful friends were Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. Dershowitz was more than Epstein's lawyer; he was also a friend of Epstein's who took advantage of Epstein's hospitality. Whether any or all of these men also partook of the underage girls, we don't know. But since Epstein was known for his supply of these girls, I suppose we can draw our own conclusions as to why these men associated with a notorious sleazebag likeEpstein.

And yet we still don't know what is, or why the information that Reality Winner uncovered was so explosive that the NSA suppressed it. I believe the Russians did change votes, or erase them. They'd hacked in, months in advance of the election, and it cannot be that difficult to go further. Why hack in to voting machines at all? For the hell of it? I believe they did it in key districts within key states once they knew they were close. Everything else that is emerging is why they WERE that close. The hacking was their electoral insurance.

Does DJT want to have his big military parade when Putin visits and observes next to DJT? Plus, Pooty will get a state dinner at the WH. Rumor floating.

How many visits are we getting from this fucking troll? Are you serious, R502, they're going to try and march the troops past our enemy? I'm going to die of a heart attack and spin in the grave next to Eisenhower's.

Ain’t ever gonna happen, R502, and you know it.

Look. Votes were changed, OK? They were. The outcome of various state elections was changed to favor Trump. Use your fucking brains. Russia set up a huge operation. They had two office buildings in different parts of the country devoted to hacking. They hired more than 100 people. They sent agents to the United States and took fucking lessons to understand how our elections worked and what the issues were and they set up thousands of fake accounts on social media and they made sure they hackers knew how to express themselves like "Americans."

They disrupted and set us against one another stirred up chaos, and laundered money, $30 Million and counting through the NRA and other entities. They have been preparing and working with Trump for years for this day. So Why the fuck would they put so much time, effort and money into such a project if they could not guarantee the outcome????? How can you wear blinders and stick you fingers in your ears and do the "Lalala I can't hear you!!!" routine when it is perfectly clear they altered the outcome of our election. And one day, our government will admit this. But not today.,

Here we fuckin go folks, one of the main reasons why republicans won't do shit to get Trump out:

[quote]The political firm that obtained private data on millions of Facebook users worked in Colorado to help Republicans win a crucial majority in the state Senate. Cambridge Analytica used its data to create “psychographic” profiles that allowed Republican operatives to target specific Colorado voters in battleground state Senate districts in 2014.

David Dennison is such a soap opera name, like something off of One Life to Live.

Wanted to add that all the stuff the Russians did here to us, could not have been done so effectively without help from inside. So the Cambridge Analytica people the Facebook people etc. were the tip of the iceberg. There we re others here who schooled them on our process. They had intimate, sophisticated knowledge.

Alan Dershowitz is a famewhore who loves getting paid. So that's part of the motivation.

R508 Republicans are so slimy, power hungry, and desperate to stay relevant despite having many views that the majority do not hold, they would WILLINGLY work with and receive money from Russia--and CA as per R506.

Because hey they gerrymander, suppress votes, have had a propaganda "news" source in Fox for years, so honestly this is just the next step in their evolution.

We are a few steps away of the (social) media having to admit that they are part of the mass manipulation scheme. They provide the means and are complicit in how they are being used.

It's going to be "Yeah, we brainwash people. So fuckin' what? What you going to do about it? No longer watch us? *lol* Good luck with that! You are addicted to our product by now!".

R474, were you going to attribute the first paragraph of your post to Joy Reid or continue to pass that off as your own thought?

I just realized that even if all the republicans politicians involved get arrested and sentenced to prison, a massive chunk of their voters are going to scream and cry about it and practically revolt, believing it's a deep state liberal conspiracy to wipe out republicans.

R496 "I won't assume you're a boris bot, [R494], but you sound a little too dismissive of Epstein and his reputation for me to think you're not something of an apologist."

An apologist? Absolutely not. I think Epstein is beyond a scumbag. I just don't think it applies here to Dershowitz. Like I said, Dershowitz has no power anymore. There'd be no reason to blackmail him to turn him over to Trump. I think he just went nuts.

If only that fucking turtle faced traitor had listened to Obama and come out with a joint statement to the press and people. If only.

Dershowitz is well respected in legal circles, R514, but I see your point. Glad I didn't jump to conclusions. Too much of that and we get deplorable.

To the poster that said this thread with its multitude of parts is better than any news source around , I heartily agree!! You guys are geniuses at culling news reports, Twitter postings, and random and incisive thoughts that make for a fascinating read. I am hooked on this thread and it is the first thing I go to when I come on here. When this is all said and done and we get this fucking fuckhead fucker for everything, call me crazy, but I maybe see a Pulitzer in Muriel's future! BTW, what is the record for number of parts for any one thread? Has this one come close?

r513....why do you think they constantly use "the deep state" as one of their war cries ? It is pounded into their heads daily on Fox and other conservative outlets. Its done for a reason. Its classic "look here, not over there" defense and the GOP excels at it.

So what happened with the Channel 4 report that was going to air today, focusing on CA's dealings with the Trump campaign?

R516 This has been posted before. The best and quickest news sources, as well as for news that doesn't always make it to the news sites, are certain twitter feeds. Here's a great list to check on a regular basis:

Seth Abramson

Kyle Griffin

Malcolm Nance

David Corn

Michael Isikoff

David Frum

Joy Reid

David Cay Johnston

Tea Pain

Benjamin Wittes

Clint Watts

Walter Schaub

*Louise Mensch *(not always reliable, but she sometimes gets scoops way ahead of others that end up panning out).

Anybody who has additional names of good sources please list. Thank you.

Dershowitz is far more than a fame whore, r509. He's a crony of Trump and a mutual crony with Trump of convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Dershowitz MUST support Trump for all he's worth, because once Trump's guilt is established by Mueller for one thing, the domino effect will kick in and reveal a whole lot more of Trump's criminal behavior in other things. Including behavior that may include Dershowitz - and therefore explain Dershowitz's own very desperate, shrill, otherwise inexplicable support of Trump. Dershowitz is trying to throw suspicion off Trump to get it off himself as well.

[quote]*Louise Mensch *(not reliable

Fixed.

Remember this ?.........oh, the implications....lol

[quote]Dershowitz is well respected in legal circles

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I hope I spelled that right.

R523, in light of his recent actions I understand your derision. However, you do not become the youngest ever, full law professor at Harvard Law School if you're a lightweight.

R516, agreed, and little bits of fun in between.

I don't think we yet have surpassed the Herbert Ross Troll Threads.

From what I've seen on ATS and other "conspiracy" sites, the Deep State consists of:

Hillary - The Empress of Evil who eats children in her Satanic rituals.

Obama

Bill

W

GHWB

Barbra Streisand

Maddow

Alec Baldwin

These people are nuts!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Dershowitz days of being "well respected in legal circles" ended long ago and well before the end of the last millennium.

Yes, R526, Hilary has turned out well.

[quote]*Louise Mensch *(not reliable Fixed.

Louise Mensch is an evil cunt who, with her deplorable minions, dox members of the resistance for calling her and her blatantly false information out. She's like a cockroach that you can't kill. She will not go away.

Dershowitz WAS respected until the Epstein creeper connection which there were rumblings about as far back as 2006 these whispers have tainted his legacy and now he's a Trumper. Done!

The hoarse whisperer, r519

R32 Never heard of Hoarse Whisperer, but just googled, below. Added to my list. Thanks.

[quote] R312: Mueller can only be fired for certain legitamate reasons. Expect an immediate lawsuit challenging the lawsuit if he fires Mueller. Cheeto has to actually show proof of his manic claims, no court will go with that.

The problem is that Trump can arrange to get Mueller fired, and then wait and see if there is a challenge. By the time a challenge succeeds, it might be a year later. Buying time is helpful to Trump.

Of fuckin course! From WaPo

"Trump did not follow specific warnings from his national security advisers when he congratulated Putin on his reelection, including a section in his briefing materials in all-capital letters stating “DO NOT CONGRATULATE,” officials familiar tell WaPo."

"It was not clear whether Trump read the notes, administration officials said. Trump, who initiated the call, opened it with the congratulations for Putin, one person familiar with the conversation said."

"Trump also chose not to heed talking points from aides instructing him to condemn Putin about the recent poisoning of a former Russian spy in the United Kingdom with a powerful nerve agent..."

Mueller pursing from the left; Stormy from the right. More women coming forward with NDAs.

Oh my!

I half expected to see Mueller in that photo. Damn.

An STD may be what's going on. Apparently she did have unprotected vaginal sex according to the polygraph. I know there are other threads on this, so I won't continue to derail the thread.

OMG! So Trump may have tertiary syphilis from all the promiscuous sex over the years?! That would explain a lot.

The GOP as always is officially falling in line.

Geez, Chris Hayes is having Bernie Sanders on tonight. I'd rather see him with Carter Page again. Heard Bernie's same old talking points for over two years.

How about interviewing a real democrat? Bad enough Bernie is on CNN all the time; but MSNBC has to follow? Bernie voted against sanctions on Russia. Only Bernie and Rand Paul did so. Bernie helped thrust DJT-Pence upon us.

Meanwhile on the Trans front.....

Thread title suggestions for the next thread?

I've had enough Bernie to last several lifetimes, thanks for the warning r541.

Tune into CNN right now Stormy's cute lawyer is debating Cohen's idiot lawyer and he's running away with it.

We Had Joy, We Had Fun, We Had Treasons in the Sun...

That sounds like more of an early to mid-summer thread, R544.

I mean, it would be nice if all this shit would be over by then, but I highly doubt it.

[quote] R486: [R425] here. Last night I was trashing Alan Dershowitz, and I just saw this

Dershowitz Is a tool. At one point, he essential,y says that some Republicans are acting to discredit Mueller now, in case that later, then need to discredit him. He’s spinning, but pretending that he’s some kind of legal scholar without a political agenda of his own. It’s all bullshit.

R539 Maybe that's why Trump's brain is so fucked up.

R535 "It was not clear whether Trump read the notes"

When is it gonna be finally dawn on everybody? TRUMP DOES NOT KNOW HOW TO READ!!!!

I suggested this one before: Ours Is Not to Treason Why, Ours Is But to Imprach or Die.

^Impeach, of course.

OP - is this the fastest going Treason tread so far?

Cheeto in March 2014: "While Putin is scheming and beaming on how to take over the World, President Obama is watching March Madness (basketball)"

Cheeto today: Kissing Putin's ass

From Hoarse Whisperer:

Has Beyond A Treasonable Doubt been used?

[quote] “First of all, the President’s 100 percent right,” Dershowitz said. “There never should have been an appointment of special counsel and there was no probable cause at that point to believe that crimes have been committed. I’ve seen no evidence to suggest that crimes have been committed by the president.”

This is from that article linked above where Dershowitz chided Democrats for spreading the purported rumor that Trump is going to fire Mueller. What a load of nonsense. Dershowitz is a very smart man -- though you wouldn't know it from this quote. "There was no probable cause" and "I've seen no evidence to suggest that crimes have been committed by the President" are laughable "defenses." He hasn't seen jack-shit. He doesn't know what Rosenstein saw and he hasn't got one friggin clue what evidence Bob Mueller has assembled about Cheatolini's crimes.

He knows as much as any one of us. We could all make those same ridiculous assertions and we would sound just as foolish.

How pathetic.

"O, treason not the need!" Have we used that yet?

R551, I don't think so. I think one of the other threads lasted two days.

Someone on twitter said the DO NOT CALL PUTIN is exactly why he did. DO NOT tell a two year old what he can or cannot do.

Advisor: But why?

Trump: Because, Fuck You, that's why.

--- How the post phone call conversation went, I'm pretty sure.

MIchael Avenatti is on with Ari Melber (who is subbing for Lawrence) tonight.

[quote]"Trump did not follow specific warnings from his national security advisers when he congratulated Putin on his reelection, including a section in his briefing materials in all-capital letters stating “DO NOT CONGRATULATE”

Jonathan Swan @jonathanvswan

Admin officials I’ve spoken to are stunned by this leak. Has rattled senior officials.

[quote]a massive chunk of their voters are going to scream and cry about it and practically revolt, believing it's a deep state liberal conspiracy to wipe out republicans.

wtf cares if they revolt? they are the distinct -minority- among us. Sucks to be them. If they revolt in an angry violent way then unleash the National Guard on them. Have LE arrest the main lot of them, fill up the prisons and be done with them.

I'm bone tired of these loser deplorables running the rest of us into the ground while we bend over backwards to 'hear them out' on their outlook and 'protect' their minority radical views. Democracy requires the minority to be protected from the tyranny of the majority at times, not the reverse.

The Cambridge Analytic people and Steve Bannon tested certain terms like "drain the swamp" to make sure they had the right phrases to "motivate" their base. Anyone who thinks Trump is completely impulsive because he has tantrums and sometimes appears to not be able to control his anger misses the point. He has a low cunning and can be very calculating and very deliberate.

[quote] R561: Admin officials I’ve spoken to are stunned by this leak. Has rattled senior officials.

I’m sure the senior officials were more rattled by the content of the call, than by the leak.

That is Rocco Reed at R536.

Exactly r564. Rattled by the leak? This is the leakiest WH on record. It's leakier than a 100 year old bathtub. Why in hell would they care about the leak, when the contents of the leak is some of the most f'd-up shit to come out of this crazy WH?

Trump actually picked up the phone and called to CONGRATULATE Putin for winning his fixed election. The same Putin who's been implicated in all out hostility towards our nation and it's institutions, who's stolen from, lied to, and murdered his own people to stay in power. WH aides asked our President to NOT call this prick and he went ahead and DID IT ANYWAYS.

Lock up the whole lot for treason.

[quote]It is also safe to say Miss Lindz was not among that particular group that partaked.

I'm more than certain that 19 yo pert-buttocked Czech boys were also provided for Miss Lindsey.

"Whole Lotta Treason Goin' On"

Okay you grammarians, is it partaked or partook?

I think he is discovering, to our horror, that the President really is above the law. there is this great scene in Man for All Seasons in which Thomas More advises the nobility not to tell Henry VIII about all the power he actually has, if he will claim it. I think we are there with Trump, and I'm a little worried about it. (wish I could find that damn scene.)

I can't imagine any one else in this position getting away with all this shit.

I haven't even been keeping track... where does Melania live these days?

Celestial Treasonings

Treason-airres Disease?

Talkin' 'bout sweet treason on my mind

r542 For All the Wrong Treasons

Treason to Believe? Rod's going back on tour.

R577 we used it for Part 7.

R576 I've got that one down on the list.

Hate to start the new thread with more than 20 posts left to go...

... but I want to make sure there's something for those here early tomorrow morning.

Linking to the new thread below for when this one maxes out.

As this one maxes out, if one of you wouldn't mind linking to the new thread below, that'd be great, thanks!

[quote]I'm more than certain that 19 yo pert-buttocked Czech boys were also provided for Miss Lindsey.

Is there something special about Czech boys?

[quote]He has a low cunning and can be very calculating and very deliberate.

Putin is the mastermind behind all this, not Trump, who is just the puppet.

Trump was just stupid enough to sign up for this.

So the CA's Mercer overlords placed Kelly Anne & Bannon in WH; but Kelly Anne is a WH suvivor that appears to escape scrutiny from the probe? Hatch Act deflection aside, she ain't going down with the ship by design, speculatively of course. .

You kind of have to go back now and reevaluate the Sanders campaign's hacking of the Clinton campaign's data.

Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort and Sanders strategist Tad Devine were both pretty heavily involved on Putin-puppet Viktor Yanukovich's takeover of the Ukraine, 2009-2014.

Devine's been uncharacteristically quiet and out of the spotlight these past months.

Things that make you go "Hmmm."

[quote]Putin is the mastermind behind all this, not Trump, who is just the puppet.

Not a puppet, r585. You’re the puppet!

Hannity opened his show last night attacking Mueller: "Robert Mueller's career has been anything but impeccable." Hannity invoked Mueller's handling of the Whitey Bulger case when Mueller served as Assistant U.S. Attorney in Boston back in the 80s, specifically when four men were wrongfully convicted of murder under his watch as an apparent coverup by the FBI for their mob boss informant.

“Robert Mueller was the U.S. attorney in charge while these men were rotting in prison while certain agents in the FBI under Mueller covered up the truth!” Hannity exclaimed. He went on to blast Mueller’s defenders in the “liberal media” and Congress for “praising” the special counsel” and calling him a “pillar of honesty” an a “pillar of virtue.”

This "Mueller is crooked" drumbeat is going to get louder and louder in the coming days ...

We need to organize a boycott of Fox's advertisers until Hannity is removed. Not just Hannity's advertisers, but ALL of Fox.

R 498 linked to this, but it's juicy enough to be reprinted -- frequent Fox News contributor Lt. Col. Ralph Peters in a letter resigning from the network:

Today, I feel that Fox News is assaulting our constitutional order and the rule of law, while fostering corrosive and unjustified paranoia among viewers, Over my decade with Fox, I long was proud of the association. Now I am ashamed.

In my view, Fox has degenerated from providing a legitimate and much-needed outlet for conservative voices to a mere propaganda machine for a destructive and ethically ruinous administration. When prime-time hosts — who have never served our country in any capacity — dismiss facts and empirical reality to launch profoundly dishonest assaults on the FBI, the Justice Department, the courts, the intelligence community (in which I served) and, not least, a model public servant and genuine war hero such as Robert Mueller — all the while scaremongering with lurid warnings of “deep-state” machinations — I cannot be part of the same organization, even at a remove. To me, Fox News is now wittingly harming our system of government for profit.

As our president’s favorite world leader would say, "Das vidanya" — Russian for “goodbye.”

I'e posted this on the new thread too, but it bears reading here as well. This really is the foundation for how we ended up with Trump. Breitbart/Bannon +Cambridge Analytica+ Facebook +Russia = Trump.

Link to new thread.

[quote]MIchael Avenatti is on Ari Melber

Fixed for my pleasure, r560.

[quote]Advisor: But why?

[quote]Trump: Because, Fuck You, that's why.

[quote]--- How the post phone call conversation went, I'm pretty sure.

And then, 'You're fired.'

[quote]"Robert Mueller's career has been anything but impeccable."

Perfect then for shrewd insight into someone to whom the word 'impeccable' could never remotely be applied.

Thank you to r565 for providing color commentary in the best DL style!

[quote]Why in hell would they care about the leak, when the contents of the leak is some of the most f'd-up shit to come out of this crazy WH?

Because their talking point is DEEP STATE LEAKS ARE ILLEGAL, AND THE DEEP STATE IS OUT TO GET TRUMP.

I saw one of them do this last night about this leak, and the Don Lemon zinged 'em with "But this would had to come from one of the president's close circle who was in the room."

The shitstain weakly turned into "Well there are career people there too, but whoever it is should be marched out of the White House!"

Pathetic.

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