Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19)

Link to previous thread for reference.

Thank you OP for this title!

👍🏿

What's wrong with her eyes? Why are her pupils dilated so much? Was she on drugs??

From the NY Post article RE Melania: "She is focused on her family & role as FLOTUS — not the unrealistic scenarios being peddled daily by the fake news.”

Her role as FLOTUS!!!??? What does that entail? Walking around in high heels?

R4 Perhaps she popped one too many Xanax to deal with the anxiety of doing this interview?

Fund-Raiser Held Out Access to Trump as a Prize for Prospective Clients

Does anybody know a way to read NYT articles if you have used up your free articles? I don't want to give them my money.

R8, google for the title of the specific article.

Put your browser incognito and copy & paste the link, r8.

[quote]Her role as FLOTUS!!!??? What does that entail?

Providing a warm, comfortable, place for that hot Security Detail Dick?

As FLOTUS, she's colder than an old trout. She must have forgotten how to fake enthusiasm for the highest bidder.... even if her biggest Don is a soggy mini corndog.

Someone in the last thread mentioned that a client of Lisa Bloom’s is claiming that Trump fucked her in Ivanka’s bed? And that this came up on AM Joy this past weekend. Who is her client? Is this a new woman we haven’t yet heard about? I can’t keep track of them all.

Her role as FLOTUS!!!??? What does that entail?

Living in Potomac Maryland with Barron and her parents (because its close to his school)?

Joy Reid:

Per @NicolleDWallace the first thing Trump asked when the Access Hollywood tape came out was about the math, meaning when he was married to Melania? Hm. Someone should try to get their hands on their prenuptial agreement and look for an infidelity clause...

She keeps a low profile. What she thinks is guarded.

Another advantage to this Stormy mess is that Trump can't use Melania (and Barron) to drum up public support. She covered for him with the Access Hollywood tapes, calling them "boytalk," but there's no way in hell she's going to go out there and sell bareback sex with a porn star while she cared their infant son as no biggie. She isn't getting in front of a reporter or crowd for any fucking thing now. However he might have used her as a PR toll is now neutered.

Wouldnt it be great if Melania publicly kicked him when he was down......when the charges come from Mueller, she publicly leaves him and calls him out on some of his bullshit. Now that would be great tv.

It's the VERY least we're owed, r18.

I would give up meat for good if Melania comes forward and tells the public that Trump gave her an STD by sleeping with Stormy, or some other prositution whore, and she is leaving him for good (and taking Barron with her and taking Donald to the cleaners in the divorce court case).

From twitter:

#MakeAdulteryGreatAgain

When Obama was in office in 2011, only 30% of evangelicals told pollsters they would forgive a president's immoral behavior.

Now, under Trump, it's 72%.

R20, she'd come across as a total doormat, especially for the way she defended him during the campaign.

She doesn't want to be seen as a doormat or kept woman. She faked a college education and degree in a respectable field. She made a big deal about "turning down" Donald several times. She immediately took to dressing as a stylish, sophisticated first lady as opposed to the hooker turned Barbazon model styling she used to flaunt. She wants to be seen as elegant and intelligent and someone Trump is with because she's quality, not some trophy.

Her only way out is to feign total ignorance of his disgusting behavior, say she's leaving him because she was the good dutiful wife who had no idea he was a lying cheat, ignore the majority of people who don't believe her, and set herself up with a fat old ugly real billionaire.

r22, I believe that was all Trump's doing. He wanted to outshine Michelle Obama and look where that got him (and Melania). Caught stealing one of Michelle's speeches. LOL.

But the SOB's approval number went from 35 in February to 42% today. What the hell is wrong with this country?

I’m just annoyed that that fat slob is getting 10 times more action than me.

I’m a nice, OK looking guy with a friendly personality. Life ain’t fair.

R24, I want to know too. How can that be possible?

Checking in with our old pals Gates and Manafort.

We'll never know the truth about Melania. She'll be long gone, once Trump is either dead or in jail, back to Slovenia. There's a reason Barron learned that language and not some other, more useful one, like French.

[quote]What the hell is wrong with this country?

Nothing that a couple of reasonably sized, well placed thermonuclear devices wouldn't cure.

Melania sold her soul a long time ago. Don't be wishin' and hopin' she will give a shit about what's right and wrong.

R28, well Barron can converse in her native language and Ztrump won't know what they are saying. God, I shudder to think about how Trump treats that poor imperfect kid.

[quote]God, I shudder to think about how Trump treats that poor imperfect kid.

It's not that bad. He just ignores you and pretends like you're not even there.... which isn't so bad considering it means he leaves your pussy alone.

Stormy's lawyer is suing Cohen for defamation.

Stormy's lawyer is very annoying, so I'm glad he's going to be hounding the Trumpies for a while.

Thank for that r27.

This opened up another train of thought:

[quote] (Gates) ... was recently granted permission to take a spring break trip with his family to Boston — though he rearranged the trip over security concerns. (In a court filing, his lawyer cited an online comment that warned: “Bring a food taster.”)

Somewhere the question of "most likely to be offed" came up a while back. I think Manafort.

There is a rumor around Capitol Hill that Ryan will resign in next 30 to 60 days

Sure, Jan.

Vanity Fair: Trump’s Lawyer shuffle may indicate that Mueller is treating Trump as a target, not a witness.

^^^^Ya think ? ^^^^^^^

One would hope.

"Okay, who had the Kung Pao Chicken? Is this you, Kellyanne?" -- "Yep that's me, thanks Brad" -- "Here you go. Hey, wait a minute. Doesn't this order of Kung Pao Chicken smell a lot like nov---nov---novo---chchchkkkk---novo---chhhhkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk"

Another attorney turns him down:

Hey!! What about his great good friends, Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie??? They LOVE him. They helped him campaign. They're both former U.S. attorneys in private practice now. They know Bob Mueller real we ll. Real well.

They are holding out for the second four years.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Where's Lionel Hutz when a "victim of a witch hunt" needs him?

I can’t imagine Ryan resigning unless he felt he was leaving things “in good hands,” in other words, with someone just as corrupt and on the take as he is. Or even worse.

So is Hitler lookingfor employment? Because Ryan wouldn’t resign if he was being replaced by anyone to the left of him.

So many seem to be puttig actual distance between themselves and indictments.

You know you're living in the Twilight Zone when a fading porn star exhibits more integrity than the US president.

[quote]We'll never know the truth about Melania. She'll be long gone, once Trump is either dead or in jail, back to Slovenia. There's a reason Barron learned that language and not some other, more useful one, like French.

R28. I'm not defending Melania; I can't stand the whole friggin grifter bunch of Trumps. However, Melania is not going back to Slovenia. She probably just wants to go back to New York City...and then back to Mar-a-Lago when Trump isn't there. And word is Melania taught Barron or had him learn Slovenian via a tutor so he could talk with her parents, his grandparents.

[quote]Another advantage to this Stormy mess is that Trump can't use Melania (and Barron) to drum up public support. She covered for him with the Access Hollywood tapes, calling them "boytalk," but there's no way in hell she's going to go out there and sell bareback sex with a porn star while she cared their infant son as no biggie.

Indeed, that Vatican visit could not have happened post-Stormy. And I imagine the UK State Visit is now subject to any number of new 'scheduling conflicts.'

Lest we forget, this is the mood which precedes the supposed meeting with Kim Jong Un. Read yesterday on DL a link about a serious detailed briefing for 'POTUS' on the geopolitical status quo - in which he shouted often, 'I don't agree!' (The 'fucking moron' meeting.)

It's hard to see how this 'administration' can possibly sustain itself. And yet I gather 'approval ratings' are still, incredibly, adequate. Somehow 'POTUS' can still tell himself he's untouchable.

Word has it Sarah H. S. is too unnerved fielding questions about DT's affairs with porn stars & Playboy bunnies.

Papa Huckabee recently got angry about a jounalist's criticism of Sarah being hypocritical.

DT can take solace in the wholesome virtues of Kellyanne and Sarah.

Hey! Kelly Anne's husband is a lawyer. Maybe he can help.... oh, wait, he has conflicts of interest... he represents some Russian businessman.... and Kelly Anne is up to her cheap blonde wig in Cambridge Anal---Lytica election mess.

I noticed SHS wasn't being Twitler's Defender In Chief of late but the name of the guy filling in escapes me.

So glad Dump is trying to bring Porter back; good one! And yet his approval rate hovers around 44%? How could that possibility be accurate???

I'm going to start a new thread so we can all help write a play. I'm calling it "Cambridge Anal." It is a romantic comedy where an unattractive woman with an unfortunate forehead, meets an unattractive man with acne lesions on his face. They both have long greasy hair.

(Scene: Rebekkah's bedroom. They are lying in her bed drinking vodka straight from the bottle. Rebekkah is giggling uncontrollably at a joke Stevie (she calls him Stevie) has just told her.) Suddenly she turns towards him breathing Vodka and onion breath in his face, and rakes her long laquered red finger nails over the matted hair on his chest.

Rebekkah: But will it hurt?

Stevie: Nah. it's just a game. I promise. Now here Put this bag over your head

Rebekkah: No you put the bag over your head.

Stevie: (loud belch)

Rebekkah: (concerned ) Are you OK, wuvvie dovie?

Stevie: Yeah, hon, I'm fine. Just felt a little queasy. Must have been too much cheese on my burger... Now here! Put the fucking bag over your head.

Rebekkah: No!!! I won't until you do it too.

Stevie: OK, OK!!!! Fine!! We'll both do it!!!!

(They both put bags over their heads. The bags have teensy slits for eye holes.)

Rebekkah: Oh! I just thought of something!

Stevie (sighs ) Now what?????

Rebekkah: Hon, did you remember to deposit that check I gave you this morning?

Stevie: Yeah, yeah, it's all taken care off. Thanks, Babe

Rebekkah: At first I thought $10 Million was a lot for some mouse pads, but if you think we really need them.....

Stevie: I told you! These are specially designed to pic up data fro the mouse as people scroll around.. We'll capture unlimited amounts of data!!!!

Rebekkah: (sighs) OK, Hon! I just want to make sure you have everything you need....... ((said in her sultry voice.)

Stevie (pushing her bagged head towards his crotch.) Yeah well. Let's take care of business. It's time you lose your virginity. You calam you never blew a guy, so this is your big day!

Rebekkah giggles as she lowers her bagged head towards a nest of matted smelly hair)

Stevie (moans with anticipation) Pay no attention to those skin tags, Baby. Those aren't warts, they're skin tags. Had 'em for years.

(As the scene goes dark we see Kelly Anne quietly open the door, entering the bedroom, dressed in her black leather Playboy Bunny outfit, complete with 6 inch heels and mesh stockings, her whip poised to meet Rebekkah's cottage cheese wrinkled thighs)

R53 and everyone else, I don't trust these polls. And I have to wonder how they are polling, when they polled to get that result, and what kind of survey instrument they're using. If this is a result of the NRA propaganda after Parkland and they're polling is skewed towards particular demographic then I can understand it, but I find it meaningless. AN old politician told me once, "Polls are a snapshot of a moment. it's the poll aggregates that tell you of there's a trend

r46....Its rumored it will be Scalise. Do you think he would be better ? The only thing I can say about Scalise is that the gunman missed.

Scalise would be a disaster. He is a rigid ideological bastard and he would not be able to get people on the same page. The Speaker has a real task in trying to keep all the members marching in the same direction and using his judgement and shrewd cunning to be able to maneuver and navigate and plot how to get issues to the floor, strategize how they get the votes, when or if to table items, schedule debates, manage hearings, etc. lease keep in mind. The house, on a day to day basis, has more power than the Senate. They have the power of the purse. They have the power to declare wars. You do not want Scalise there. IMO you have McCarthy as competition for Scalise. Mc Carthy is dumb as a post. Truly dumb. But he is very close to Trump. They get along. McCarthy was Ryan's pet poodle. He's not strong or smart but he follows orders. I think Trump will prefer him to Scalise. I also think the Koch brothers will play a role. They own Ryan. Literally. So we'll see if he's allowed to leave the field, and if so, who his replacement will be. Just pray it isn't Scalise. He will run the remaining "moderates" out of the party. I hear you R56.

I wonder if guys like Ryan believe leaving the sinking ship saves them from the public humiliation for being charged with treason, collusion, or whatever related to Trump's and the GOP's crimes? I do hope they are not getting off the hook that way!

I think Ryan will do whatever he needs to do to stay alive. He will sing like a bird. He will make a deal, he will wear a wire. He will bargain with Mueller and bring in his sponsors to help keep him on the right side of the law.

R59 here. But Ryan also has no stomach for in your face conflict. So if it looks like the Trump WH is collapsing, if it looks like he will have to shepherd Congress into war, if it looks like he will have to orchestrate Impeachment hearings, he will run like a broke dick dog. Run and hide Paul Ryan! Run and hide!

[quote]I think Ryan will do whatever he needs to do to stay alive. He will sing like a bird. He will make a deal, he will wear a wire. He will bargain with Mueller and bring in his sponsors to help keep him on the right side of the law.

Well, why is Ryan not afraid of the Deplorables when previous posters claim that the conservative senators will not turn on Trump (for show) during the mid-term election, because they are too afraid of the GOP's Deplorable base?

Ryan is looking at the numbers. He knows he will not be Speaker in 2019. He also stands a very good chance of losing his district election. So if that is the case, he will leave. After all. The Kochs have big plans for him. As I think about it. There is every chance that if Trump goes, Pence will become President and chose Ryan to be VP. Then the Kochs will completely own government.

Ryan does not want to be Speaker in November, considering Republicans have a strong probability of losing the majority. Trump will blame him, not himself. He'll lose some support from colleages. He doesn't want to give the gavel to Pelosi after being humiliated and his power very significantly narrows.

Ryan IS to blame for a lot of shit that's been happening. He's always been a coward, prefers "working behind the scenes". Think of that guy who dressed up like a woman so he could jump in a lifeboat while the Titanic went down. The GOP assholes will measure him as an effective Speaker. He's helped destroy his party and his government...n but he will not destroy this country. Begone, Satan Ryan!!!!!

Ryan's kids ought to be in adolescence now. I wonder how they feel about Dad's support from the NRA.

This is for the poster upthread (or in a previous thread) who insists that Russia doesnt murder people on American soil.......

[quote]So glad Dump is trying to bring Porter back; good one! And yet his approval rate hovers around 44%? How could that possibility be accurate???

Because of the Stormi Daniels crap. People [italic]don't care{/italic] and it's all the press is focused on practically.

[/italic] fixed.

R67 is right. AGOP Congressman from PA announced a couple of days ago that he would not seek reelection. He cited his frustration with getting anything done concerning pubic policy discussions around various issues. In particular he said he had legislation he had drawn up for healthcare changes and he couldn't even get anyone to pay attention. Both in Congress and the Media all anyone talks about is Trump. He said to the reporter from CNN or MSNBC or whoever, that all you guys want to talk about is Stormy Daniels and I want to talk about healthcare. It's all Trump all the time. It's pointless. I can't compete with it. he was very disgusted. I do't know who he is. Costello. I probably disagree with him on everything. But on this he is right. There is too much "shiny object" journalism" and not enough discussion of what is going on with policy decisions around really important stuff. We wonder how we have so many poorly informed people in this country, and it is exactly because the Media chases profits and fails to inform.

[quote]He will sing like a bird.

America does not deserve this awful punishment from the Cowardly Ryan.

Believe me, I know.

Well, they do inform the public. They inform the public about the latest sordid details and updates about the Trump shit-show saga.

"Melania comes forward an d tells the public that Trump gave her an STD by sleeping with Stormy, or some other prositution whore,"

This line of thinking really annoys me. People assume that because Stormy is an Adult Film Actress, she works regularly as a sex worker and indiscriminately allows any man' penis inside of her. There's a big difference between someone like Stormy Daniels and the stereotypical common street whore who picks up tricks on corners to maintain their drug habits. They are spiritually lost and have no self-respect and simply doing what they believe necessary for daily survival. Stormy, (and many others in her business) is an astute business woman who takes her job seriously. Therefore, she is far more careful and conscientious about her health and probably gets checked regularly every three months, or whenever necessary, (whether it be more or less than three months). Because she is a true professional, a lot of men would most likely be safer having unprotected sex with Stormy than some woman they'd indiscriminately pick up in a bar or off a personals ad. If anything, Stormy put herself at greater risk by having unprotected sex with Trump than he did with her, (from what we've all learned about him). And I would bet she got herself to a clinic to get checked out very soon after.

ok...

R72 Stormy’s mom.

I think the increase in polling is from R's who are satisfied with the economy and stock market. But don't worry, I am sure that is short lived with our non-functioning government. Plus PPP just had a poll where is is back down below 40. I wouldn't put too much stock in polling, he is still historically low among D's and I's and more importantly women.

R75 The stock market isn't going to help much longer to prop this fool up... Interest rates are rising. That alone is going to turn the stock market trend down even without trade wars and other Trump shenanigans.

Corporations are laying people off and I rarely hear stories about it. Amazon has had lay offs recently (since the tax bill passed) and others too. When will the media stop chasing Porn stars and start chasing news? The Stock market has been volatile. Interest rates ar e going up, real estate is slowing down. The optimism about our economy is evaporating.

It's already been yanked, but for a while Craigslist had this ad looking for attorneys....

I laughed out loud (or "lol'ed," for you gaylings), particularly at the last part, R78.

CNN and other media don't want the DJT shit-show to end as long as it is profitable. And the Stormy and Karen sagas are pure icing. Much of the public, particularly a hefty portion of Trump's base, adore hearing about sex scandals and related gossip.

It is shameful that some serious international problems are largely ignored to make room for Trump's old adulterous behavior and the sinister payoffs involved. Domestically, environmental destruction is in full force, huge deficits are being added, interest rates will start skyrocketing, far-right, pro-corporate judges are getting appointed at an alarming rate, the administration, including the cabinet, are incompetent and/corrupt, and discrimination in the name of religious freedom is growing. Illegal decrees against trans serving in the military is an example of other actions to come.

Donald Trump told the world he was going to suck up every minute of every news show every day if elected. He knows how to drive a news cycle, remember? He's delivering what he promised. The bombs he's thrown have set off their own bombs.

The economic data is out there for anyone interested but it's not driving the lead. Yet.

r80....this guy hits the nail on the head with this twitter thread.....

I enjoy the reply that called Bernie a "hobgoblin from Vermont." I may have to steal that one.

Yes r82. CNN does that "both sides" bullcrap throughout the day. It is a false equivalency. I am fine with hearing both Democrat and Republican Senators and House members since they vote and wield power; but these paid, partisan hacks yapping at each other in staged debates are not resolutions. Perhaps Rick Santorum will be heading back to PA, as Jeffery Lord did.

I wonder if the media, as someone mentioned up-thread, actually want the Trump dumpster fire to go on because it guarantees "shock and awe" of the worst kind everyday. Pence is deplorable without being entertaining. It may be that the VP pick is what will keep this grafter in office until 2021.

[quote]He cited his frustration with getting anything done concerning pubic policy discussions around various issues. In particular he said he had legislation he had drawn up for healthcare changes and he couldn't even get anyone to pay attention. Both in Congress and the Media all anyone talks about is Trump.

This is utter hogwash.

Costello lost his safe gerrymandered seat and would have to run in a new district that's labelled "likely Dem."

And blaming the media because you cant advance legislation? Pussy.

If he couldn't build bipartisan support within Congress with Democrats, then he's bad at his job, unwilling to compromise, or both. If he couldn't get support in his own caucus, it's because they're just not that into him.

When all is said and done and all the dust settles after hes removed from office, imagine the actual clusterfuck that he will have let our country in.

I can't wait for Jared to go to Jail. he received over 500 millions in loans!

It will not be a sigh of relief when/if Trump goes and Pence is installed. Trump's daily drama will be gone; but Pence is a rigid, right-wing ideologue on too many important issues. He'll be controlled in emotions, and the Republicans in Congress love him. They'll make a mistake in assuming that all Trump core voters share the same enthusiasm about Pence. Part of Trump's appeal to them was his unorthodox, absurd antics. Pence is viewed as pure neo-conservative establishment and not charismatic.

Don’t worry, I’ll take down Pence too

Then they will lose the White House in 2020 r89, see how it all works out?

Why does everyone keep assuming that Pence will become president ? He might be laying low right now, but hes tied into all this Russia stuff too. Remember, he was the head of Trumps transition team.....and hes been caught lying publicly several times already in an attempt to cover for Trump.

And Pence was Manafort's bitch... I mean, pick. No escaping the Russian connection.

R86 I saw Costello interviewed by Katie Tur filling in for Chuck Turd on MTP Daily. He seems like a basically decent guy. He is a Republican. He is a Conservative. I don't expect a conversion. He did make some good points. He seems to have a conscience. He is for gun safety, for environmental issues, and a couple of other things but he did vote in favor of the tax cut and thinks it was good for the economy.

All I'm saying is that if he is an example of a particular breed of Republican suburbanite who is ready to run away from Trump it's a good sign. And his frustration with the complete lack of substantive discussions of policy is something I share. So what ever his reason is for leaving, I'm glad he said some of the things he said. He told Katie that while he disagreed with Obama on policy issues, he felt Obama was a good role model, and he ripped Trump and said he was not. In fact he said he didn't want to expose his kids to Trump.

R88, he's $1.2 Billion in debt, so $500 doesn't even cover it.

Some good points there, r94. I thought he was also frustrated with House colleagues. Ryan and company won't allow certain, needed proposed legislation brought to the floor and debated, because they know it may pass. They will only offer legislation that has overwhelming GOP support alone. McConnell in the Senate acts similar, but the GOP majority there is plurality of just a few. The whole set-up promotes partisanship, and doesn't allow much debate and compromise to get important matters resolved.

Paul Manafort is sitting in the condo in Alexandria with GPS bracelets on both ankles, watching old DVDs of "America's Most Wanted" and eating takeout Kung Pao Chicken while Kathleen is in Sedona receiving deep tissue massage from a Native American healer/shaman whose nickname is Antler.

I don't know if there's an actual story up somewhere yet, but Alex Van Der Zwaan, that lawyer who pled guilty to lying to the special counsel, was in court again or something tonight. In court documents about his case, he was noted to have recorded conversations he had with Rick Gates and someone labeled Person A. Person A was described as an associate of Paul Manafort. Some reporters are pretty sure Person A is Konstantin Kilimnik.

In the filings tonight, Van Der Zwaan said Rick Gates told him Person A was a former Russian intelligence officer.

So I guess their defense will now be "well yeah, I mean, he WAS a Russian spy but he told us he wasn't anymore" or something.

This is the guy I'm reading on Twitter:

r98....and Mueller asked the judge to consider jail time as part of his sentence.

I maintain Melania is a handler. She is on Putins payroll.

R100 She's too dumb to handle anything.

Mueller will tip his hand if, after the election, when the House is Democratic, he goes after Pence like a bitch. That will be the signal the EVERYONE is going down.

There are still 7 more months of this nasty cat and mouse game? Oh crap.

Patience r103, Mueller is country and Constitution over everything. HE will do the right thing.

[quote]R4 What's wrong with her eyes? Why are her pupils dilated so much? Was she on drugs??

What are you talking about?

[quote]R49 Melania is not going back to Slovenia. She probably just wants to go back to New York City...

Back? She never left.

Does Melania actually live in the WH?

R107 she's rumoured to live at a hotel or with her parents.

Any reliable infos on that gossip?

I architekt, r101.

Aint maini forain laingetchez! Ait leest faif laingetchez!

OMG. R102, that's the GOP's worst nightmare!!! : The Dems take the House. Mueller goes after Pence, and gets him. Pelosi is Speaker. Pelosi becomes POTUS.

And you want to know why Nancy Pelosi is attacked, vilified, scorned and smeared? Really? One of the most, if not the most effective Speaker of the House we have ever had?

Paul Ryan knows more than we do. I'm betting Paul Ryan knows Pence is dirty, and he was hoping he could arrange to become POTUS. But now it looks like that will never happen if the #BlueWave materializes, and I think it will. LOLOLOLOL

[quote]Native American healer/shaman whose nickname is Antler.

Does said "Antler" maintain an online presence?

Traitors to the United States of America. This report should be front page news.

“MUELLER TELLS COURT PAUL MANAFORT PARTNER RICK GATES KNEW THEY WERE DEALING WITH EX-RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE AGENT”

N35 r111!

Have you ever heard of an ex-Russian intelligence agent? Probably not because they don’t exist.

[quote]N35 [R111]!

Are you a game host at a senior living center r115?

r111, I don't know why others dislike Pelosi, but it comes down to THIS for me:

"Impeachment is OFF the table."

If it turns out that Trump committed some impeachable offenses, would she do it again?

r117, it was a winning metaphor for having lined everything up. And you used it yourself.

I would love to be the games night host in a gay senior living center.

Gay Bingo where I am is HILARIOUS and raises money for good causes.

R118, I admit I was really pissed off when I heard that. REALLY pissed off. To this day I don't think either Bush or Cheney has left the country because in other parts of the world they are still regarded as war criminals. It would have given me enormous satisfaction, especially for Cheney to go down. IMO Cheney and Rove were and still are pure evil.

But now, I have to grudgingly admit I understand why she said that. First of all, Pelosi doesn't unilaterally make decisions and pronouncements like that particular one all on her own. She listens and she discusses, trying to build consensus, and trying to cooperate with the President, a member of her own party, and she's been pretty damned good at taking the "temperature " of the House.

She was also conferring with the new President, Obama. When she said "Impeachment is off the table" it was the result of deliberations that included many people. We could have spent a lot, if not most of Congress's time dealing with the hearings, the investigation and the impeachment of Bush/Cheney, or we could move forward. Look backward or move forward. (And since she would get no bi-partisan cooperation it would look more like a political vendetta than justice.)

The Economy was in freefall. We were in the midst of a financial crisis, bleeding millions of jobs, housing foreclosures, major bankruptcies and the loss of 40% of our personal wealth. Our crisis had international impplications. World banking and financial services interests were affected, big time. We look back now, after having survived, and stabilized the economy, and we forget how terrible it was. It was fucking scary. From about 2007 to 2010 we were up to our necks in shit.

From the time he took office until the GOP took over Congress in 2011, Obama and Pelosi accomplished a lot. (think how much more they could have done if we had turned out to vote in the mid terms instead of giving it away.) There was a cost to that. The fact that Obama had to get stimulus money from Congress, he had to stabilize the banking and financial services industries, had to stop Ford, Chrysler and General Motors from going belly up, and deliver some relief to the home mortgages industries to stop the foreclosures and prevent more of them.

Obama famously told his staff, "I don't want to just be remembered for what I prevented. I want to be remembered for something I initiated." So Healthcare. He and Pelosi made that happen and they did it because they rightly attached it to the economic recovery. There is so much more we could talk about in terms of what was accomplished but I can safely say that most of it, would not have happened if we were involved in a lengthy impeachment process.

There is a cost to everything. A lot of the people who got on board with the legislative packages that got passed would not have if we had gone down the road to Impeachment. So even though it would be enormously satisfying, it would have been a short term gain at enormous cost. I'm glad they used good judgement and decided not to go there. I seriously she would say that about Trump. He is a traitor, a threat to national security and he represents the interests of a foreign enemy of the United States.

Good post R120

I think I've figured out Trump's strategy. He's going to ask for trial by combat.

"(Reuters) - A little-known former prosecutor with a doctorate in medieval history will play a central role on U.S. President Donald Trump’s legal team, as many top-tier lawyers shy away from representing him in a probe into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election. "

R120, I think you've got your timeline mixed up. Pelosi said "Impeachment is off the table" upon the Democratic sweep in Nov. 2006, two years before Obama was elected (and three months before he officially announced his candidacy) and two years before the economy was, as you say, in freefall. She was announcing her priorities as leader of the House Democrats, who were about to be in the majority.

^Nancy also said that with a 49-49 split in the Senate (with 2 independents--Sanders and Liebrman). That's too close to risk an impeachment.

Ouch. Thank you! You're right. Impeachment wasn't an option in 2009, because we had a new POTUS. I know there was talk of investigating and prosecuting for war crimes, and I conflated that with Pelosi's "Impeachment is off the table" pronouncement. I've linked the article in the NYT that talks about her restoring civility and bi-partisanship to the House in 2007.

r120....if they cant chew gum and think at the same time, they have no business in office. Just look at all the shit thats going on....with Trump, his cabinet, congress, etc......if any civilian did 1/100th of what they have done, they would be arrested and held until trial. Seriously. We know, first hand that crimes have/and are being committed.....where is law enforcement ? I want Mueller to complete his investigation, to do it right, and to make it stick....however....some people...like Kushner, junior....need to be arrested......charge them with a crime to remove them and continue the investigation. Thats how it works in the real world, and I think thats why people are frustrated. If someone is suspected of robbing a bank...they did it right in front of everyone.....do you think the police would say "you go about your business while we investigate"....Fuck no....they would be lucky they werent shot on the spot. Its all hypocrisy.

r31 it that poor shlubby kid can speak two languages, he is doing better than I am

R128, may I remind you that Barron is THE EXPERT

R126 I agree with you. A lot of us are frustrated and angry because too many of these people are going a out their business every day, even to continuing to break the laws, negotiating deals, etc. and there seem to be no consequences because "they're part of a larger investigation." And it's bullshit. In the world that the rest of us live in, these people would be charged with a crime and arrested, as the "larger investigation" continues. Kushner's at the top of that list along with Donnie Jr. and Ivanka.

Oops meant to say I'm R120 posting at R129.

Well, as you can see, I'm not an EXPERT on how to link a reply correctly ... my reply up there was aimed at R127.

Regards Ryan - there are a few valid reasons one would resign. One would be health issues which I don't think is the case with Ryan. The other might be because the heat is getting to be a bit much. That one is why Flake and others have resigned or said they won't run again.

R132 Which means the GOP candidates for these seats can only get worse and more deplorable. It's both funny (if they make a fool of themselves) and terrifying (if they get elected). But that's the Trumpification of the party for ya.

This is why Ryan is leaving

So the family that Ryan whispered about to his cronies includes Vlad? How cozy. I'd read about this, but it seems there's solid proof. The noose tightens and it becomes glaringly apparent why 'nothing' is being done.

Bingo, R135. Remember, he was caught on tape telling the GOP to "keep it in the family." He's dirty.

[quote]There's a big difference between someone like Stormy Daniels and the stereotypical common street whore who picks up tricks on corners to maintain their drug habits.

🙄

[quote]They are spiritually lost and have no self-respect and simply doing what they believe necessary for daily survival. Stormy, (and many others in her business) is an astute business woman who takes her job seriously. Therefore, she is far more careful and conscientious about her health

You live in a dream world, r72.

“Stormy” didn’t want to have sex with Trump. She was not attracted to him, and they had no chemistry.

He tricked her, and even she knew it at the time. But she went through with it because she felt obligated.

I like her, and she seems like a cool person. But don’t pretend that “porn star” is a legitimate career.

I bet this successful businesswoman who was *suckered* into fucking a thug bully POS like Trump for free does not want her little girl to grow up & follow mommy’s footsteps & be a porn star.

Stormy is lucky she didn’t get killed over this mess.

Ryan is so sleazy - I am really hoping he is caught up in the middle of this mess.

Wel, well, well. What do we have here:

Peter Thiel Employee Helped Cambridge Analytica Before It Harvested Data

He is on the board at FB. Just saying.

Peter Thiel,, that treacherous mo! Now he'll just say the employee has nothing to do with him... and find someone to be the scapegoat.

This calls for some LOLz.

R141 He might go mad, surrender, or kill himself without the Internet! Here's hoping.

R137 I don't mean to get into a troll fight with you or anybody else. And I don't dispute your account of what might have happened between Stormy and Trump. That sounds reasonable.

My point is, she does consider what she does "a business", therefore acts appropriately and takes the necessary precautions, which in her case, would be not only be getting tested on a regular basis but probably twice as much. She's very well known in her field, if word were to get out she was spreading std's, she'd lose a great deal of work. It' financially practical for her to be as careful in her health care as possible.

I just resent the Trump Supporters, (like his attorneys), using the excuse of her being a pornstar to question her honesty and credibility.

Forgive me if it's already been discussed but I was listening to the Michealangelo Signorile show earlier and they were going on and on about what a genius Avenatti was because (by his own admission) he baited/tricked Cohen in to filing their lawsuit in Federal Court, which Cohen eagerly did. Apparently Cohen was too stupid to realize that moving it to Federal Court opened the door for Trump to be deposed.

I love how Avennati is playing them.

It would be a coup indeed if Avennati can take down Trump before Mueller. But Trump has many rich and powerful "allies" who don't want to lose their man in the WH and they can "influence" how things will go, so I won't be too gleeful until this goose is cooked.

I don’t think this goose is ever going to be cooked. We’re stuck with this lunatic.

I think Melania is waiting for the school year to end and leave Trump for NY.

I thought she stayed in NYC? When did her and the ‘tard move to DC?

R146 Yeah, many powerful special interests (including Russia) want an easily manipulated fool in the WH, and they would have no qualms in using whatever means to prevent his downfall. His foolishness might turn out to be his saving grace. We can only hope a smoking gun can be found and there are brave and incorruptible people who would take action.

Just remember.....Mueller doesnt need to take a dozen shots and hope something sticks......He only needs that one kill shot to take them down.....the rest then become irrelevant.

R150 Mueller could create a media storm with his findings, but Mueller himself can't prosecute... that's up to the Congress, and we know how compromised that place is.

So it's like Trump is the Night King and all the other people around him are the army of the dead that he turned into zombies who follow him mindlessly. And Mueller is Jon Snow and all he needs to do is kill the Night King and the whole army will collapse into a heap of bones. (Putin would be the zombie dragon that Dany has to slay. In this scenario there is some anonymous CIA type who is Dany and they will definitely deal with the fucking blue eyed dragon no matter how bad ass the Night King thinks he is. Right now thee Night King is riding that dragon, but we're coming for you, you bastard.

Yeah r152, it's just like that.

I think that’s a GoT follow-up to the "trial by combat" quip above.

Every time I see the word "Melania" I think I'm reading "Medusa" ... I think I have a mental block.

R151, you are wrong, indictments lead to court trials. Do not confuse this with Congress' ability to impeach and convict. These are two separate actions. Clinton was indicted for lying and negotiated the loss of his attorney's Bar license. It was a plea deal before he was Impeached and NOT convicted by the Senate. Mueller is very much in control of prison time here. He is also fire walled with coordinating counts in state courts so that Trump's pardoning ability is rendered useless. Mueller is very much in control.

As above whenever I see Melania I see Medea. I see her taking out Ivana's children to protect her own. Melania is the most tragic figure in this tragedy of Donald's hubris.

You’ll be hearing from our lawyers.

How is Melania tragic? She's lived a life of wealth, privilege, and ease for years, the price of which was marrying Donald Trump, a price she willingly paid. She must have done a cost benefit analysis and concluded that the positives of being Mrs. Donald Trump far outweighed the negatives. If she concluded wrong, it's her own damn fault for deliberately ignoring all the obvious danger signs.

"How is Melania tragic?"

Maybe the poster just meant what she did to her face.

Her black, dead, sad undersea eyes

[quote] Mueller could create a media storm with his findings, [bold] but Mueller himself can't prosecute... [/bold] that's up to the Congress, and we know how compromised that place is.

I can't believe that we are still battling back against this. Yes, he can prosecute whatever crimes he uncovers, whether they have anything to do with Russia or not. Whether he can prosecute Trump is still very much an open question. Leon Jawarski, the Watergate Special Prosecutor thought he could not bring charges against Nixon (but could name Nixon as an un-indicted co-conspirator). Ken Starr believed that he could prosecute Bill Clinton. (He was operating under a different appointment authority than Jawarski or Mueller.) Whether Mueller can is not clear. But, he can certainly name him as an un-indicted co-conspirator and watch all hell break loose.

Mark my words Melania will find a way to survive this intact. I don't believe for a second she's a dummy and doesn't have current counsel or advice of her own. She'll be the last one standing from that bunch, her and Barron.

I can see as Trump & the older kids go down, she'll wait until he's left the WH to dump/divorce him. Discreetly no question. Go back to NYC, take up a quiet life, do minor charity stuff of her choosing with her now-raised profile. Maybe travel internationally. Re-marry very well.

She'll always be 'former First Lady" and be invited to Presidential events, library openings, presidential funerals etc. even if DJT is totally disgraced. Someone will have to be the 'clean' representative of that Presidency in public and I can see her aiming to have that future role.

"Mark my words Melania will find a way to survive this intact."

Maybe this is a dumb question, but among both Trump Supporters and those who despise him, (like me), does anybody really care about Melania? I disliked her when she promoted Birtherism, I enjoy the footage of her slapping his hand away, but mostly I'm just bored whenever there's any coverage of her.

Because she embodies the American Dream, and also because she possesses deep kompromat on Tubby, she may well be the last man standing. r162 is definitely onto something.

Just saw Dr. Ronny Jackson, newly appointed director of the VA, on MSNBC, and my TV almost burst into flames. He’s very cute, though, in an ex-chorus boy kind of way.

Ronny Jackson in all his flaming uniformed glory - it should be noted he’s been WH physician since Obama, even if his willingness to serve in Trump’s cabinet (and speak for his sanity) completely smears any respect I may have for him.

Trump cast his net narrow with that pick. No one else would take the job.

r158, Medea was a Princess Sorceress who gave everything up for the man she loved, a rich and powerful King. When he cheated on her she killed his heirs.

I see Melania all over that shit.

Classic Greek Tragedy in the making...

[quote]He only needs that one kill shot to take them down.....the rest then become irrelevant.

Maybe, but 'the rest', far from being 'irrelevant', needs to be given full and meticulous weight. The charge sheet of Trump + GOP collusion must be published widely and broadcast loudly - the arrogance and entitlement laid bare. And thus all the subsequent lies.

[quote]Re-marry very well.

'Well' meaning at best another glossy shameless venal ugly 'businessman' who idiotically envied how Trump lived his life before abject disgrace.

[quote]Someone will have to be the 'clean' representative of that Presidency in public and I can see her aiming to have that future role.

With or without said new consort she will be so tainted by unprecedented toxicity that the role won't be made available. No-one will be a 'clean' representative of this 'Presidency', because it isn't possible.

GWB and Laura are occasionally tolerated public tokens, with his behaviour ever more notable, but no-one sees them as dignified representatives of an era; more the unusual relatives who can't quite not be invited. The Trumps are by magnitudes worse, and will be appreciated only by the relief at their permanent absence.

If done right, Mueller could undo a decade of Republican gerrymandering.

[quote]Mark my words Melania will find a way to survive this intact. I don't believe for a second she's a dummy and doesn't have current counsel or advice of her own. She'll be the last one standing from that bunch, her and Barron.

Oh, really, R162?

If Melania divorced Trump now, I could see him quickly re-marrying Marla Maples, who is rumored to be visiting him in the WH and still screwing him.

[quote]He tricked her, and even she knew it at the time. But she went through with it because she felt obligated.

She was brought up right.

bump

R162, Melania will disappear for a while, then she will sell skin care products and fitness equipment on HSN.

R170, The gerrymandering is being undone right now. As we speak. Through the efforts of Eric Holder, his organization ('ve donated to them) and the various court cases they helped initiate. Holder's group has the participation of President Obama, and t he's even campaigning for various state judicial candidates to make sure state courts have a more balanced view of what is happening in redistricting. I want Mueller to succeed, but the Blue Wave that's coming wasn't instigated by Mueller. this GOP Congress can take a lot of credit for it.

BTW. While all this Russia shit is going on, North Korea's crazy leader made his first visit to mainland China to meet with their president. Now he is going to meet with the leader of South Korea at the end of April. then he will meet with Trump in May. Now if you thin this is good news for the USA you'd be wrong. When President Shithole proclaimed his opposition to the Trans Pacific Partnership, and we walked away from it, it allowed China to move in to the preeminent role. If China succeeds in getting North Korea and South Korea working together and working with China, it is going to have serious, negative implications for our economy. Bad ones. In short, the world will go on without us. All this crap about Tariffs and a trade war with China right now, is real stupid. So while Trump's EPA and his Education Department fuck up, and he destabilizes healthcare, ad the GOP Congress announces that they will tackle cutting Medicare and SS and Medicaid in 2018, as Paul Ryan and Bitch McConnell insist they will, we can look at our MAGA "foreign policy" and prepare for a real shit mess. By the time they're through, the United States will be a third rate power and we will feel the effects acutely.

How did trump trick Stormy into sex??

R178, by dangling a spot on Celebrity Apprentice in front of her, which suddenly disappeared when it became clear she wasn't going to sleep with him again.

r172...Marla is dating Donny Deutsch......he hates Trump....there is no way she is sleeping with Trump....

You can add Chuck Assley to the traitors list.

R177 is correct. Trump is systematically transforming the US into a 2nd rate shithole. It will be a slow process but it will happen. There are vacuums to fill and China is the Hoover or is it more of a Dyson?

Dirt Devil, R182.

By the time Trump is finished, Russia will dominate Europe and the Middle East, and much of Africa, and China will dominate the Korean Peninsula, Far East and Pacific Rim countries. We will be lucky if we can stay on decent terms with Canada, Mexico and parts of South & Central America.

My point is that we really need to be paying attention. The Cable and Network TV go for the ratings. They will gloss over Kim Jong Un's meetings, or cover them in a very superficial way, but we need to really look at what's going on globally to fully understand the crap Trump is shoveling.

We need to win in the Mid Terms whether he gets impeached or not. We have to win so we can hold legitimate hearings and begin enforcing ethics violations, ferret out corruption and conflicts of interest. We need to investigate investigate investigate and expose everything they're trying to do. In effect we have to paralyze this Presidency.

We have to hold our own version of "Benghazi" hearings into every single federal agency and department head. We have to stop the appointment of reactionary judges, and fuck with their budgets. We have so much work to do, but it's necessary. We coasted along doing very little for too long.

Now we have to step up, and we have to be there after the votes are counted to make sure Congress does what we need them to do. Republicans ignore us and lie. Dems aren't much better, but they're all we have and they're at least open to pressure. They might want to sing Kumbaya and let's all try to get along, but there is no way we can even consider that. Not an option. We have to adopt a scorched earth policy and dismantle this version of the Republican Party.

The Special Counsel is an appointment made by the Justice Department and the role does have investigative and prosecutING powers.

The House can hold an impeachment trial, and the Senate hold the power of convict and remove.

Mueller's role should not be confused with Congressional actions, if pursued. Congress can use evidence found by Mueller or DOJ, but Mueller's responsibilities don't include undertaking impeachment. He can file charges against the President (indictment of a sitting President) if he deems warranted and accepted by Rosenberg. If DJT contests, that may become a constitutional crisis that reaches the Supreme Court. They would have the final word on such a challenge.

Russia can have the Middle East. China is already dominating Africa with their One belt project. They're building infrastructure like crazy and believe those countries will regret getting in bed with China.

R186 The problem with the US is it is already physically far away from the "Old World" where the economic action will be for the next century. Of course, the US has the whole "New World" to develop if they want, but their own prejudice and fear of non-white people makes that impossible. Meanwhile, China has a going out policy to encourage their people and companies to find opportunities outside China. MAGA people are stupid if they think US can remain the world superpower by hiding behind a wall obsessing only about itself.

Just having military bases around the world and controlling the petro dollar were enough during the Cold War, but the world has changed, and playing the big bully gets the US left behind. No amount of Trump MAGA tantrum will get them the real respect they want. Others may kowtow to the US and pay lip service, but in real world situations, they turn to the other powers like China and Russia.

People need to being doing way more than just waiting on mueller. For all we know, that report will never see the light of day.

I don’t want people to put all the eggs in one basket.

I agree r189, and even if it does come out, it may not be for a long, long time.

Disinformation on this very thread about ultra-powerful Russia, how about that?!

"Russia can have the Middle East." is one of the dumbest idea I've read lately. No. You do not cede even an inch of ground. There is a strategic necessity for us to be in all these places influencing the leaders and the people in other countries. Anything that makes your proven enemy stronger is not ever a sensible strategy. If I had to guess who will emerge from the competition for primacy in a scenario between Russia and China, it would be China. Putin doesn't care about stability. He is all about chaos and opportunities, not about governing. He is a wrecking crew who will be a global force for exploitation. In this one thing we have a commonality of purpose. China is about governance and stability. They are about economic dominance and financial success. Russia doesn't give a fuck. Russia is really a rogue nation state. So no. We aren't suppose to cede power to either of them but most certainly not to Russia.

WW for you. R191. Very few like Russia. They have a lot of natural resources, but their oil and gas production has much competition, including the U.S. U.S. (Tillerson for example) and others have been their with foreign technologies and development.

^there, not their

Putin hated Obama for emphasizing solar and wind power and promoting an end to our reliance on fossil fuel. Obama especially worked very closely with European leaders ...who rely on Putin for their energy needs. He was an extortionist. The Paris Accords were a huge slap in Putin's face.

Perfect title for a Stormy week.

R189, while I agree with you that we need to do more than wait for Mueller, Even if he presents a report to Rosenstein and the DOJ decides not to release it, and not to proseCongressional leadership, and once it is in their hands, you know it will leak.

I was happy to hear that Trump is expelling some more Russian diplomats/spies in retaliation for the Russian attack on their former spy in London. Better late than never.

I was thinking earlier, though: imagine Putin just rolls his tanks into Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia. Would Trump join NATO and counter attack? I don’t think he would. There is something going on with him that makes him a dangerous Russian asset. I hope that after he leaves office, that they check the entire White House for listening devices.

R198 Bet it wasn't his idea. Our allies and the "Deep State" forced him into doing the right thing. I give him zero credit.

R198 That is a consideration. The DJT WH has/had a nest there of Russher apologists, sympathizers, perhaps agents, and perhaps those at least compromised and subject to blackmail.

Hopefully, the FBI and Secret Service have been aware of the concern about possible listening devices and have pursued safeguards. When DJT met privately with top Ruskies at the WH, U.S. intelligence were thinking about such.

Years back, when the U.S. was building a new embassy in Moscow, they had to scrap the project because the building was so badly bugged during construction.

It's the Deep State vs. the Drumpf/Dumb/Deplorable State. It's idiocracy at work.

Anyone else surprised at this?

Deep State is an alt.right term.

[quote] The House can hold an impeachment trial, and the Senate hold the power of convict and remove.

No, the House cannot and will not hold an "impeachment trial." Let's try and be precise in discussing the terms we use. It is not in any sense a "trial." The House Judiciary Committee will draw up articles of impeachment, which will be voted on by that Committee after hearings. Those articles that receive the support of a majority of the members of the committee will be referred to the whole House of Representatives for a vote up or down. The work of the House in an impeachment matter is in the nature of a grand jury. Essentially, the House will determine if there is probable cause to remove the President from office.

If the House impeaches the President (it only requires a simple majority), then the Senate will hold a trial, presided over by Chief Justice Roberts. At the conclusion of the trial the Senate will vote to either remove or not remove the President. To prevail and remove the President there must be a two-thirds majority or 67 votes.

r205, which to date, has never happened.

The presiding officer in the Senate doesn’t have to be the Chief Justice, but it has been, in the past.

It does....its stated that the Chief Justice shall oversee any impeachment trials.

R208 is correct, thank you.

Kumbaya is OFF the table!

[quote] which to date, has never happened.

Well, the only part that has "never happened" is the removal from office of either Andrew Johnson or Bill Clinton -- the only two presidents to have been impeached. However, the Senate has removed from office, following impeachment, several federal judges over the past 200 years.

As well it should be, r210.....

Such quality people!

There's not much hope for the Senate to get the vote majority to actually remove Trump. But let's hope the House flips and they at least vote for impeachment.

Rumor floating on the Twitter machine is that Mueller has around [bold]ONE HUNDRED[/bold] indictments lined up, for people across the WH and Congress.

Mueller can indict Trump. Trump can't be tried in office. However, perhaps Mueller will start cutting deals with critical members of Congress in exchange for support of impeachment charges...

That depends on what Mueller finds...if its something serious, you bet your ass they vote to remove him.

If Muller have something serious and concrete, he better lay it out before the midterm elections, so that public opinion can drive a majority of Dems into Congress to make impeachment a workable solution.

I think if the House Judiciary Committee initiate hearings to draft Articles of Impeachment, the entire findings of Mueller's investigation will be lais bare and we ...and the Senate will know the scope and the depth of the corruption and laws broken and it will be impossible for the Senate to ignore.

If that rumor is even half true, r215, we should be seeing a lot more retirements in the next two months.

Good thread.

R218 , but the House Judiciary Committee is no where near doing that, unless I’ve missed something? I’ve been on a news fast, so maybe I’m wrong?

[quote]Rumor floating on the Twitter machine is that Mueller has around ONE HUNDRED indictments lined up, for people across the WH and Congress.

If so, and there is a God, every one of them will be sentenced to live the rest of their lives in rat-infested, inner-city tenements on food stamps and social security. I know it won't happen, but I can dream.

I've heard the "stack of indictments" rumor before. It gives me hope that if anything funny happens to Mueller, these have already been scheduled for release before anyone can stop them.

I think this is why so many retirements are happening, and why Miz Lindz flipped on Trump.

Is Jessie Mueller any relation LOL????

R223, wait, did the Senatrix flip on Trump AGAIN?

It certainly is a vast cast of shady characters.

Jill Wine-Banks was wearing a spiderweb brooch tonight. Recently she wore two pins, an arrow pointing to a dollar sign pin. She's sending secret messages to us with her pins. Check them out in this link.

I've debated whether to say anything because it feels like we're all friends on this thread and I don't want to cause any trouble. But I decided this was important enough, I think. If anyone follows Tea Pain, Mensch and some of the others in that group, know that they were fooled by a guy going as PatriotLou on Twitter. He claimed to have inside info and was making predictions and some seemed to come true. He just outted himself as a guy who made the account to prove the others don't have sources. They were private messaging Lou and taking his shit as gospel and then tweeting stuff out like they knew something was coming, etc. It was a con and they fell for it. That doesn't prove they don't have sources, but it does prove they are willing to take gossip from some anonymous person and then try to convince the rest of us they have inside info.

Also, Counterchekist, a friend of Mensch's, is not ex-military. He's been doxxed and his full name is online, but I'm not posting that. I will say he's in his 30's and he lives with his mom and sells surf boards. He was found to have been on sites for years pretending to be a Vietnam Vet, then an Iraq vet, etc. He's not. He does do Revolutionary War re-enactments.

Like I said, I am truly not trying to cause trouble, but I'm sure a lot of us follow the same people on Twitter and they need to be taken with a big grain of salt, I think. I hope they're right. I hope they're right about everything! But I'd just be careful.

R20 - I happen to like Stormy and honestly have been a fan of her since 2007 or so...but that has nothing to do with it. Porn stars of her caliber are tested monthly for any and all STDs and have to prove this to work (it used to be through AIM before that fell apart in 2011). Whatever the case, chances are that Stormy is far less likely to carry an STD than the Donald - who likely harbors many nasty things.

No, R225, just the once, but it stands out to me. Our Blushing Magnolia is a turncoat!

R227 Thank you. Mensch's twitter is the only one I follow on occasion. Whenever she had major scoop that didn't pan out, I just attributed to what I suspect is her bipolar disorder. But your explanation sounds more plausible.

Carl Bernstein was on CNN tonight, and he believes, (I'll paraphrase), "99.99%" that not only does Mueller have Trump's tax returns, but has had them for a very long time. And he was rather gleeful about it, so it gave me some hope.

[quote]Also, Counterchekist, a friend of Mensch's, is not ex-military.

Toward the end of last year I was compulsively checking Twitter for tea from him, Mensch, Tea Pain, John Schindler, Eric Garland, Seth Abramson, Scott Dworkin, Alias Vaughn, etc., but now I think they're all mostly full of shit. Like you, R227, I want to believe, but it's hard not to be cynical.

I think that group really is mostly full of shit, R232. Seth might be the only exception because he basically posts opinions on properly reported news, and you can either choose to believe his opinions or not. The ones in that group posting opinion or tips as fact are highly suspect, and need to be taken with a hefty dose of salt. Apart from Mensch (who I unfollowed ages ago), I've become increasingly cynical about the others. Sometimes they even seem to be spreading disinformation.

On another topic, did anyone else see (on Twitter) that apparently a 'senior WH source' told the Russians that the 60 diplomats expelled by the USA in response to the poisoning in the UK can simply be replaced by the Russians? As reported by Russia Today. No idea if it's true, but I can totally imagine Lump saying that to Poot to get in his good graces.

[quote]Scott Dworkin

Scott Dworkin is legit, but most of them are too emotional it gets in their way of reporting. Scott is currently trying to get Republican congressman Knight in trouble by filing an ethics complain on his ass. It apparently uncovered some campaign fraud, so that's a side show going one now. He also filed another one against Paul Ryan a day or two ago.

I like him, he's like a little pitbull.

R233

First Paragraph: Agree. Seth Abramson at present is one of the most reliable. And for newbies who might be reading, (this has been posted before), add these names to your list: Kyle Griffin, Malcolm Nance, Clint Watts, Benjamin Wittes, David Corn, David Frum, and Joy Reid. (yes, all MSNBC, but they've been continually proving themselves). Also, Walter Schaub and Richard Painter for matters having to do with ethics; and Tony Schwartz and David Cay Johnston for dead-on analysis of Trump.

Second Paragraph: that sounds very plausible. As long as Trump is President, I think "negotiations" needs to always be put in quotes because it's all a rather futile waste. What's the point of passing laws about sanctions when Trump can't be bothered to enforce them? Everything we hear in regards to it is all for show. I won't be surprised if some NYT or Wapo article comes out within a couple months telling us the "negotiations" are pre-scripted by both sides beforehand.

Never rub another man's rhubarb!

R234 I used to follow Dworkin all the time, but I think I lost interest when none of his causes seemed to take off. He has a rather short attention span, (as do I, as do most of us probably now considering all this shit we're going thru). I was especially with him when he was so fervent in getting rid of Sean Hannity. Maybe I just got pissed when his only response to my emails was the occasional mass-email request for donations.

I do wonder if some GOP senators might try to cut a deal with Mueller to be left out of the investigation and in exchange help to get the proceedings started in the senate to impeach Trump? But something like that could destroy Mueller's case (cutting such deals), right?

R238 Prosecutors cut deals all the time.

R215, I don't think Mueller could legally coerce a member of Congress because it would taint his case. I mean he can do that within the framework of the investigation in terms of filing charges but not to get them to impeach. he can't tell Paul Ryan "I know you've been getting payoffs from Russia Oligarchs to leave Trump alone, but I'm going to charge you unless you start Impeachment proceedings.' He can tell Paul Ryan "I know you've been getting payoffs from Russian Oligarchs and were indicting you. We can go esasier on you if you give us the names of other members who are being paid off too."

In the end, the Watergate Investigation resulted in 69 people being charged with crimes and 48 convicted. So if the rumor mill is saying Mueller has 100 indictments prepared, I believe it. Easily. This investigation i muc bigger and more far reaching then Watergate. Mueller ould come back with twice that number, realistically.

Good point, R240. Your second scenario does seem more likely.

It's Stupid Watergate... is what Hoarse Whisperer on Twitter calls this whole conspiracy. These people committed treason in plain sight because they thought there is nothing they can't bully and/or buy their way out of in this world.

R243, It's because it was standard operating procedure for Trump the Businessman do engage in shady dealings and he has done it for years with impunity. He and his gang made no distinction between running for public office and his business practices. He engages in the magical thinking that he has done nothing wrong, refusing to call it Money laundering for example, and refusing to recognize the quid pro quo relationships he has with various of these bastards as illegal and a conflict of interest.

Even now, he probably believes he can side step this investigation the way he has so many others, with some fancy legal maneuvering. He refuses to understand what he's up against and he' thinking like a mobster (which is what he is) instead of thinking like an elected official. He thinks he's being slick, but he and his family stand a good chance of losing everything. And Putin's thugs have a very long reach, so I wonder if Jared and Ivanka in particular are considering that? I bet Manafort & Flynn are.

[quote]It's Stupid Watergate.

Given who sits behind the big desk, that's fair enough. Then again, Deep Throat in 'All The President's Men' told Woodward that, 'The truth is, these aren't very bright guys.'

Rather what never fails to shock me about this gruesome crew is not so much the slackness, but the sheer sociopathic arrogance. (Of course the two overlap.) The self-confidence from these self-styled masters of the universe that they could, with embedded help from a major formerly hostile foreign power, cut corners and ride roughshod over custom and precedent, sheerly from self-interest and greed.

And presume of course getting away with it, because being the biggest smartest men on the planet, they just will. (Not paying taxes, or contractors, or lawyers, makes Trump 'smart.' He could shoot someone and get away with it. These are mere hints of the prevailing mindset.)

Since Hubris is so clearly an immense thing, it's reasonable to hope that Nemesis is a greater thing. Can't wait.

R245, one difference between this and Watergate is that Trump was sleazy and corrupt for decades. He was breaking the law and getting away with it. Laundering money and getting away with it, threatening people, bribing people, sexually assaulting women, blackmailing people, etc. He was engaged in criminal conduct, and there werea lot of people who knew, especially in the media, and nothing happen. He just brought all that with him into the White House.

Was the expelling of diplomats collusion? Putty closed the U.S. Consulate in St. Petersburg where the Ruskies have their cyber operation of intrusion. Putty blames this Consulate for snooping on the Ruskie cyber operation, which would be obvious. Closing the Consulate makes Putty happy. Bone Spurs delivered. Think about it.

R247 is on to something. Now that you mention it it sure does look suspicious. Coordinated, in fact.

Think of a future if Trump were impeached, or by some stretch of the imagination gets removed from office. Don’t you think the Republicans will be absolutely bloodthirsty for revenge against Democrats? Do you think all will be well and we’ll dance our way to a progressive new society? No way, things will get much much worse. We have a powerful enemy as it is, forget about one that has a score to settle. I think there would be a Deporsble revolution, and that’s not Mary! talk either. I could see them forming militias and causing all kinds of problems.

They already are doing that but they don’t own this country. We are all citizens.

For every deplorable there are 2-3 normals.

Well of course...

Orangino better not walk this back!

Right R250. R249's hysteria is part of the problem. We are the majority, and we have many pillars of Government and the Military on our side. There are still many patriots in the Government and Law Enforcement who do not agree with what is happening to our society.

IT IS NOT WATERGATE........ITS TREASON.......dont confuse the two........

DIdnt obama already kick out a bunch of their diplomats?

I’m confused, were they invited back and then kicked out again?

I think every embassy has like a "subs bench" with diplomats sitting in offices playing Candy Crush on their phones and basically waiting to be kicked out of the country whenever a diplomatic crisis occurs.

R249, are you fucking serious? "It's bad now but if we do anything it could get orse..." WTF. Seriously. WTF. No. YOU meet this with overpowering force. YOu indict and convict and strip the fuckers of all their assets. And you start going after the little shits out here who think they can bully, threaten, and intimidate with impunity. The rank and file Deplorables

operate from fear. They are cowards. You expose them and lean on them hard and they will cave in. The things you're worried about them doing they are already doing. We have been dealing with these fucking militias and assholes since CLinton was POTUS. Before that we had an active KKK presence in most cities. In the 50's the fucking KKK was endorsing people to run for office. They were pretty fucking open.

So, according to your logic, we should have never had a Civil Rights Movement because, " OMG things are bad now and they will get worse?" Or when women were imprisoned and tortured and bullied and harassed and illegally locked away because they wanted the right to vote we should have said, "no, no it could get worse.!"

Look. Nothing is "getting worse." Bad shit has always been out here. It is the 24/7 news cycle and new technology & social media that allows us to find out about it in real time, whereas before it was hidden and not discussed and we only find out about it decades later when social historians write about it.

If it weren't for television in the 60's and 70's there would have never been progress in Civil Rights, the anti war movement, and women's equality. Gay Rights benefit from all of that history too. After what we have been through in this country, in human society, should we cower and hide in our closets and say, "Ooohhh! It could get worse?"

You need your brain realigned, asshole.

The cartoons are hilarious,

I guarantee you Mueller has that slob's tax returns. ALL of them, and this includes his "pass through" entities (partnerships), his shell companies - every last bit of lies, bullshit and washing machines used to launder money.

There's a reason the bad boys and girls of FINCen were called in. Whatever that thug is hiding and wherever he's hiding it, they will find it.

[quote]Don’t you think the Republicans will be absolutely bloodthirsty for revenge against Democrats?

They’ve BEEN out for revenge, ever since Bill Clinton dared to get elected. They assumed that after Reagan, the country was theirs and Clinton's appeal made their heads explode. (Never mind that Clinton was essentially a Republican; all they could see was the 'D' after his name.)

We’ve been paying the price ever since. That’s when they sold their souls to the evil. That’s when they started playing really dirty. Nixon's 'crimes' were quaint in comparison.

From Tea Pain's Twitter Feed: "When Traitors Devour One Another" - Tonight on the Discovery Channel ‏

lol, Bolton is going is probably regretting ever accepting a government job

Per Bloomberg:

[quote] A British company at the heart of the Facebook Inc. data-privacy scandal agreed to give a political action committee [bold]founded by John Bolton[/bold], U.S. President Donald Trump’s newly appointed national security adviser, data harvested from millions of Facebook users, documents released by Parliament show.

Gurl...you're passed that stage where you are in danger. You're already fucked !

[quote]Don’t you think the Republicans will be absolutely bloodthirsty for revenge against Democrats?

You have been witnessing their revenge !! [bold]For the last two decades[/bold] !

Where the fuck have you been ? Republicans are still punishing the country for electing the Clintons twice.

r260, I laughed out loud at that. Fucking Roger Stone calling someone ELSE a lying, psychotic asshole?! Holy shit, talk about the pot calling the kettle and all. JFC. Strange times.

[quote] did the Senatrix flip on Trump AGAIN?

Pics please.

The Mueller investigation has been too quiet for too long. It's one of the reasons that Trump's numbers are up again. It's like 45% of the country can't hold a thought in their minds for more than a week at a time. We need some more big indictments!

R265 A stock market crash would also do the trick... it's gone over the cliff but still hanging by the fingernails.

Just finished a reading of "Russian Roulette," the Isikoff/Corn book. I most definitely recommend it.

[quote]It's like 45% of the country can't hold a thought in their minds for more than a week at a time

They can’t. That’s the Trump Method: keep throwing shit at the wall until people forget there was ever a wall there. Eventually people just throw their hands up and walk away. They’re counting on us forgetting. That’s what I love about the various websites and resources that collect all the misdeeds and provide time Iines.

The deplorables would vote in Satan if he would build a wall and make America White again. Their enemy is not an immoral leader who lies and cheats, but the undesirable people who need to be killed/deported/vanished from THEIR country.

R256 = triggered and stated her boundaries

I already had R256 as a blocked troll. I would suggest others do the same.

Careful, R271, they're roping in the prancing ponies on DL these days. Besides, if you block everyone you disagree with or who gets emotional, you'll be posting to yourself in no time.

R267 I have it on order, but it'll be awhile before I get to read it even when it does arrive.

If you don't mind, drop a couple intriguing facts in the back we on this thread might not have heard yet.

I've been following Corn on Mother Jones and watch Isikoff whenever I see him interviewed. If it wasn't for Corn, we might not know as much as we do now about Christopher Steele's Dossier.

Sorry, but I don't get why you'd say I'm a troll because I got pissed off at R249's post? I agree with R 252, R259, and I'm not a troll.

R274 Some of your fear is not wrong. It's not just simple defensive gun ownership the deplorables are after. The ability to form militia to protect their white privilege is the underlying goal of the most radicalized deplorables. The media is very much complicit in covering up for these people. Just like Trump calls them "fine people", the media will show you the less radical faces of the Trump voters to make them seem sympathetic, when in reality, they are just one step from being hard-core racists, and the media will also turn a blind eye to the danger of having white supremacist militia operating and recruiting right in the open. Like the latest school shooting, the shooter was allegedly radicalized by such a group, but the media glossed over it without batting an eye.

Miss Lindz ain't flipped again. She's so tickled about John Bolton being appointed. If only that parlor could talk.

I do declare, Miz Lindsay ain’t never flipped. She lays on her belly the whole time, ass in the air, purring like a kitten with a bowl of cream.

I don't think I was articulating my "fears" I think my focus was on fighting back. I'm an activist. I was attempting to address R249's fears. I have nothing but contempt for the Deplorables. I agree with you on most of what you're saying, R275, except I think they aren't "just one step away from being hard core racists." I think they are hard core racists. Depending on their personalities they show more or less of their racist. You have the kind of racists that carry tiki torches and drive on sidewalks to run people down, and you have the ones who are passive aggressive and claim they're not. And the full spectrum in between. But I say we go full bore and start passing and enforcing the kind of laws that removes automatic weapons from their hands, and tighten up and enforce better laws for gun safety. There are a lot of things we can do once we take control of the state legislatures and Congress again.

[quote] R249: Think of a future if Trump were impeached, or by some stretch of the imagination gets removed from office. Don’t you think the Republicans will be absolutely bloodthirsty for revenge against Democrats?

Interesting question. I have long thought that the Republican witch hunt into the Clintons starting in the 1990s and carrying on to today was revenge for the watergate prosecution. Nixon was disgraced for stepping just over the line for what was common practice in those days.

I saw a dramatization once where Nixon was asked if he wanted to contest the 1960 election results, given the cheating in Ohio. His response was, “No, Kennedy stole the election fair-and-square”.

WTF ?!?........

The man needs to be arrested immediately for TREASON if this is true.......

I think it was a confluence of events. I think Reagan definitely unleashed something on the Right during the 80's. His personal style camouflaged a litany of nasty policies sexism, homophobia, and racism, too. And look how he treated us. Shit. It took him how many years before he ever acknowledged AIDS existed, then came up with bullshit about how much Heckler was doing to support us at HHS. The Un Christian Right extremists were organizing at the local level as far back as 1991. I remember reading a really long feature article in the NYT magainze about how dedicated they were to "taking America back again" yes, in 1991.

[quote]Republicans are still punishing the country for electing the Clintons twice.

It goes back further than that. It's revenge for Nixon and Bork, for driving the one out of office and for failing to confirm the other to the Supreme Court. Oh, and it's revenge for Newt Gingrich's hurt feelings because Bill Clinton "snubbed" him on Air Force One. Hell, Newtie even admitted that this was one of the reasons for the subsequent government shutdown. And it's revenge for daring to vote in a black man as President. And it's revenge for that same individual daring to publicly mock Donald Trump.

Conservatives are all about whining and grievances, as we've seen here at DL over and over again.

fucking Newt is such a fat pile of shit.

R280 I knew that was too good to be true... Trump being tough on Russia is a sham. He just go through the motion for publicity, and then secretly appease Putin.

DJT administration is a puppet gov't of Vladimir Putty. They can deny it and possibly get away with. It.

Coruption is flagrant and blatant. Congress, unethical themselves, does nothing. How Pruitt, Carson, Kusher, etc. could still be hanging around proves these people have no accountability.

The Kochs, Mercers, Zuckerberg, etc. are oligarchs themselves, so what 'Russher'"is doing is satisfying their monetary and power goals. Heck, the Mercers financed the Cambridge Analytica assault on the democratic process.

The diplomat explosion sham was an excuse to get U.S. personnel out of the St. Petersburg consulate. Cyber intrusion into elections, advertising, social media, etc. operates from there.

r269, "their country" my ass!

R287 Yes, THEIR country... It doesn't even matter most of these white people only have ancestors who came over less than 200 years ago. Hell, even some of the black slaves were here long before them, but white privilege means they think of themselves as true Americans and everyone else is just a nuisance.

The deplorables make me happy that Mexico is slowly taking back the states in the Southwest that we stole from their ancestors. Too bad the Native Americans don't have the numbers to take back the rest of the West. Do you think all the deplorables, together, would fit in Florida? Maybe we can give them Florida and they can proclaim that White Jesusland and the rest of us can actually make America great again without their ignorant asses weighing us down.

I think Zuck was more involved that we thought. It explains his going into hiding immediately after the aftermath.

R289 That's what they are afraid of... a demographic shift that gives non-white people the edge over them. That's why getting rid of Hispanics (i.e. "Mexicans") is their current obsession, though they wouldn't mind getting rid of all non-white (except for the ones who like to kiss white asses).

I'm in love...... Renato Mariotti....... (sigh)

R289 I say give the Deplorables Mississippi. They don't deserve indoor plumbing.

[quote] Think of a future if Trump were impeached, or by some stretch of the imagination gets removed from office. Don’t you think the Republicans will be absolutely bloodthirsty for revenge against Democrats?

Yes, they will try for revenge. But, they are going to be operating from a position of great weakness if this all plays out as we hope and expect. They should lose their majority in the House, and likely will lose their majority in the Senate in the upcoming mid-term elections. But beyond that, they espouse unpopular policies and represent a shrinking slice of the American electorate. The only thing that has saved them thus far is the gerrymandering and the number of reliably Rethug Senate seats from mostly Southern and rural states. That and the vagaries of the Electoral College. At some point, however, even those impediments will be overcome and overwhelmed by demographics that they cannot control.

r280 is true ....verified by USA Today......fucking traitor....

We can combine Mississippi and Alabama and give them Missibama.

Man, you can tell the Mueller investigation has hit a public lull when we're talking about where to send the deplorables. Let's hope it is the calm before the huge Storm-y.

Tasteful friends?

......

INTERESTing that someone upthread very recently tried to lump in Seth Abramson and a few other good, bona fide, Trump criticizers with a named group of very dishonest misinformation-pushers like Louise Mensch — this “mixing truth with lies” is a very common KBG propaganda technique that serves to invalidate accurate news via association with unreliable bedfellows.

I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt, r299. Seth Abramson was often mentioned alongside a group of unreliable Trump-Russia Twitter users in the early days of the administration but subsequently overcame those associations.

That said, Abramson deserves an award for his theory of the case. He gave us a window into the future. News - complete with leaks and sources - will break related to the Mueller probe, and I'll remember it covered in a weeks or months old thread from Abramson.

Mensch et al are at least entertaining reads (her blog, not her bloated Twitter feed). You can follow, but ingest with a large grain of salt.

Mensch in particular tweets like a speed addict, the amount of information she cranks out is nearly impossible to follow; her blog is more condensed and focused and has some interesting bits: she posted about the servers in Trump tower 'washing' data and sending it to servers linked to Prince/DeVos back in 2016. Not everything she posts is useless, but like anything it's reader beware.

I follow Eric Garland, not for hard news but for entertainment value and because I like the way he frames his anti-treason take. His longer threads are succinct and condense the main Resistance points that I feel need to be highlighted. He avoids the written diarrhea the others spew all day.

Claude Taylor has moved from stock anti-Trump/Resistance tweeting to putting together a PAC that's throwing up billboards in key spots. He landed a prime spot on the road to Mar-A-Lago and threw up an "Impeachment Now" board, so Trump couldn't avoid it when he came into town. Some of their other efforts are hilarious. Good tee shirts too.

Bob Mueller is going to lay out for the deplorables, in excruciating detail, the depth and scope of Russian ownership of Trump and the GOP.

And they will completely lose their fucking minds.

Nixon in his last months before resigning was pill popping alcoholic who had completely lost it.

I agree, r256.

The Chicken Little at r249 has posted the same shit in past threads.

Another plug for Seth Abramson. His Twitter page is invaluable for its intelligently presented information that concisely and precisely condenses numerous multi-sourced press reports into lengthy but coherent and often prescient threads. He has a real knack for weeding out and identifying the most salient actors and their parts in this sordid drama before the MSM bothers to investigate their significance, and putting it all into the greater context. He's a lawyer and academic, and has great insight into Mueller's options.

Seth loathes Louise Mensch, and her constant "patriot" crap is offputting (she hero-worships the intelligence community *and* George W. Bush... now there's a real CIA agent identity-revealing patriot for you) but from what I can decipher from her blog, Mensch has hit some bullseyes. I believe she is the source of the hundreds of indictments rumor.

[quote] Bob Mueller is going to lay out for the deplorables, in excruciating detail, the depth and scope of Russian ownership of Trump and the GOP.

[quote] And they will completely lose their fucking minds.

*sticking their fingers in their ears* LA-LA-LA-LA! I can't hear you! LA-LA-LA-LA! FAKE NEWS! LA-LA-LA-LA! HILLARY'S EMAILS! LA-LA-LA-LA! MAGA! LA-LA-LA-LA! DRAINING THE SWAMP LA-LA-LA-LA! THANKS OBAMA! LA-LA-LA-LA! ...

r249, Republicans have been avenging the removal of Nixon ever since. They almost got what they wanted from Clinton, but they decided to cripple the middle class instead for 40 years.

I just don't trust Mensch. Before she scrubbed her Twitter it was a mess of anti-immigrant/anti-Muslim bullshit and Obama hate. She is hard right. Not slightly right- hard right. She is pretending to be more liberal and more tolerant than she is. She was tight with Milo and she worked for Murdoch. Any info she gets immediately has me asking why someone is feeding it to her.

She and her buddy that Chief guy also built a block list with over 700,000 Resistance accounts on it and encouraged all their followers to use it because they were "blocking Russian trolls." When you used the block list, it automatically blocked all those thousands of accounts and you'd never see their posts or know they existed. It was cutting off lots of people from being able to see and share info.

And this is how psychotic she was about who was added: I never responded to her. Not ever. I hit favorite once on someone's post when they quite politely questioned her on something she had gotten wrong. Louise obviously took the time to add anyone who favorited that tweet to their block list. It's the only way I could have even come to their attention because I rarely respond to anyone on Twitter and I certainly don't bitch and fight the way I do on DL. I got added to that list as a supposed Russian troll because I favorited a Tweet asking Louise to clarify something.

Louise Mensch is a nutter. She said months ago that Trump had been served with an indictment in DC. Nothing she says can be trusted.

I did some Googling to follow up on r227's clues about Counterchekist's identity. Found the name (that of a male) in one threadreader, and in another, some spec, based on use of some online analysis tools, that Counterchekist is female and either actually Louise Mensch, or that she somehow posts from his account sometimes. However, I think Cc's identity is the aforementioned male. It was pretty clear. Who is a total "civilian" with zero intelligence community connections. Why are people so devious... because others are so credulous, I suppose. Well, I'll no longer bother to look at Counterchekist's Twitter just in case he really did know something.

[quote]That’s what I love about the various websites and resources that collect all the misdeeds and provide time Iines.

One to bookmark

Another . . . 🎵

(in line with the thread title, on several levels)

[quote]I already had [R256] as a blocked troll. I would suggest others do the same.

I meant r270, sorry.

Wait, what? from r297

[quote]That alone is enough to warrant serious inquiry. Yet the story grew more mysterious (if only tangentially so) on Friday, when ABC revealed that Pruitt’s security detail had to break down the door of the condo last March, believing he was unresponsive and needed to be rescued.

[quote[Pruitt was found in a “groggy” state, sources told ABC, but details about the incident are otherwise sparse. The EPA had to pay for the damage to the condo’s glass-paneled doors, though it’s unclear how much it cost.

[quote]The EPA had to pay for the damage to the condo’s glass-paneled doors, though it’s unclear how much it cost.

The EPA didn't pay for shit. You and I did.

That condo scandal is something else. Although I think it has been lost in the sauce.

Thanks R313 for correcting that. You know, as far as revenge and the GOP goes, I think it's just good to keep in mind that the Republicans regard the Dems as borderline "socialists" who are anti-capitalists. This has been true ever since so many of them insisted FDR would "ruin the country" because he was at heart a socialist. These people are corporatists who believed Big Business was the solution to every thing. The fact is, Capitalism had no better friend that FDR back in the 30's. After 20 years of Democratic Presidents the GOP needed a war hero like Eisenhower to clean off the stink of Herbert Hoover and revive the party.

Since this is my area of study, I've done research on it. The GOP was always the minority party. To get voters to buy in to their concept they were ranting and raving against "big government" and promoting the fact government was evil. They appropriated Patriotism and Morality and incited cultural wars to divide people and instill fear. This was back when "block voting" by various groups was more assured. Over the years they have devolved to the frenzied lunatics we see today. But they started down that road a long time ago. I think a major realignment of party affiliations occurred during the FDR era. Of course the GOP saw labor unions as evil and dangerous because they believed they were anti capitalist.

As for the Clintons, remember their background. Hillary worked with Marian Wright Adelman in a huge desegregation project, and Bill Clinton, the Fulbright Scholar, was in London demonstrating against the war in Vietnam. They worked for McGovern and then for Gary Hart for President. So early in their political careers they came out as activists too far to the Left to suit the comfort level of anyone aspiring to identify with the GOP. In truth, Bill & Hill looked and acted like hippies back then. Of course feminist Hillary, as staff to the Watergate investigation was not going to endear her to anyone in the GOP. So in fact, based on their experiences and their politics the Clintons were always labeled as dangerous by the GOP.

But then, after Reagan got elected & Dems kept losing, Bill Clinton and a few other governors formed the Democratic Leadership Council. The theory being that the Democratic Party had tacked too far to the left and if they wanted to win elections they were going to have to find "a third way" neither conservative nor liberal, but a hybrid, taking good ideas from both sides. (Bill fell out with the Adelmans when he adopted "welfare reform." ) People overlook the fact that Bill Clinton was an extremely successful POTUS who used the military tactic of "triangulation" to outsmart the opposition. He left us in great shape with a budget surplus but the GOP would like to remiind you about Monica and Paula Jones. I know. This is a digression, but I wanted to give historical background on this whole animosity thing about the Clintons. They are hated by the GOP/Conservatives, because they were successful and effective.

As the GOP is robbed of a lot of their talking points they go further Right becoming more extreme, when tacking to the Middle, going more to the Left would really be the smarter thing to do. Militias and the NRA kooks got more open while Clinton was POTUS. The entire goal of the powers behind the GOP is to dismantle government and privatize everything. They are using the extreme racists anti immigration crowd to keep us distracted along with what Ana Marie Cox rightly calls "dumpster fires" at the WH. Trump is a traitor. But if his presence in the WH allows the big boys to realize their goals of total deregulation, pure profit for the few, then they will support him. And their solution to the masses of people who oppose them is to initiate laws and rules closer to a corporate police state then a democracy. We have to stop them.

Seth clearly states what is his opinion and what is researched fact.

There are several Russian operatives on this thread that try to sneak his name in there with the exposed cuckoos like Mensch. As pointed out above, that is one of their tactics, to try to get everyone here to automatically shriek, "Seth Abramson is a proven hoaxer!".

DON'T let them fool you.

At first I was skeptical of Seth and Scott Dworkin, but over time I have come to trust them. They're credible.

You know one of the most recent revelations is talking about the complete chaos in the offices that vet and clear personnel. We're talking about people with criminal records of their own, were talking about drunken parties and bullshit. In the White House. So the obvious question IMO, is Where the Fuck is John Kelly and what has he been doing as chief of staff. Of course maybe these newest reports are a prelude to firing him. People can always say he allowed the mess. But the thing is, some of this stuff is not within Trump's immediate sphere, it falls to an administrator, and so blaming Kelly is justified.

It is truly odd, the comparisons that can be made between Trump and Hitler, but here’s another one.

Hitler’s underlings hated each other. He would often give the same assignment to multiple people, which made matters worse. IIRC, the head of the Navy so despised the head of the Army, that they refused to speak with each other, never mind coordinate plans.

Trump also gives the same job to multiple people. Also, Hitler’s supporters also complained that Hitler was innocent of many of the actions undertaken in his name. When Ernst Rohm was executed, he complained “if only the Hitler knew, he wouldn’t permit this”, when in fact, Hitler ordered it.

So, one might blame Kelly for not doing a better job, but the buck stops with Trump. Trump tries to mask his incompetence with a claim of liking disruption and unpredictability. It’s a very childish attempt to look like he knows what he’s doing and excuse the chaos, when he clearly does not. So, there’s plenty of blame to go around. Kelly, Trump, they all share a piece of it.

I’m not wild about Seth Abramson’s initial BernieBro-ness (I personally saw through Bernie even before his NYDN Interview), which still can manifest itself in a form of “but her emails” from time to time, but Seth has put in the academic grunt work researching Trump-Russia since then.

As I follow White House news I keep hearing phrases like "the administration" this or that, "people in the White House," "White House Aides say" etc. etc., I wonder, who in hell are these people? It feels like a lot of unknown shadowy people are acting behind the scenes in this corrupt circus of a dysfunctional government. Kellyanne Conway, Steven Miller, Jared Kushner, and who else? I have no idea. This is all just so wrong.

I googled and found some answers. From WH.Gov. I still wonder who all the advisers are. Need to look some more.

Executive Office of the President Every day, the President of the United States is faced with scores of decisions, each with important consequences for America’s future. To provide the President with the support that he or she needs to govern effectively, the Executive Office of the President (EOP) was created in 1939 by President Franklin D. Roosevelt. The EOP has responsibility for tasks ranging from communicating the President’s message to the American people to promoting our trade interests abroad.

The EOP, overseen by the White House Chief of Staff, has traditionally been home to many of the President’s closest advisers. While Senate confirmation is required for some advisers, such as the Director of the Office of Management and Budget, most are appointed with full Presidential discretion. The individual offices that these advisors oversee have grown in size and number since the EOP was created. Some were formed by Congress, others as the President has needed them — they are constantly shifting as each President identifies his needs and priorities, with the current EOP employing over 1,800 people.

Perhaps the most visible parts of the EOP are the White House Communications Office and Press Secretary’s Office. The Press Secretary provides daily briefings for the media on the President’s activities and agenda. Less visible to most Americans is the National Security Council, which advises the President on foreign policy, intelligence, and national security.

There are also a number of offices responsible for the practicalities of maintaining the White House and providing logistical support for the President. These include the White House Military Office, which is responsible for services ranging from Air Force One to the dining facilities, and the Office of Presidential Advance, which prepares sites remote from the White House for the President’s arrival.

Many senior advisors in the EOP work near the President in the West Wing of the White House. However, the majority of the staff is housed in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, just a few steps away and part of the White House compound.

List of trump's advisers.

I can’t wait to read the books. It might take 20 years or more before we find out what is really going on. Trump is batshit crazy, stupid, and ignorant. We’ll only know the true extent of it in many years to come.

I wonder every time the news reports that Trump talks with his “friends” about policy issues. It’s usually reported derogatorily, as if he is asking unqualified friends for advice, but my question is, who in the hell would want to be Donald's friend? I can’t believe he has any truly social friends. Sycophants, I can believe, but not friends.

The Office That Vets Trump Appointees Is Full of Bros Icing Each Other

It's only fitting that many BernieBros are part of the Trump administration.

BernieBros + TrumpBros = a match made in right wing heaven

Lindsey Graham's "arms without patriotism" mantra is a problem. He did not use those exact words, but pushing increasing military build-up, adventurism, and expenditures, without forcefully condemning Putty Poop's behavior and trying to impede an investigation into such to take heat off DJT, are contradictory objectives.

Lindsey Graham is a piece of shit who thinks he can get away with his head games. Just because we sometimes agree with him, or find him amusing is no reason to ignore his vileness.

Love the news links upthread. Seth does a great job of explaining the law as it relates to the news. He is not a Russian bot.

I laughed out loud when he announced the deportation of the Seattle ruskies. Not surprised in the least at his tepid response to the threat and skullduggery around the sanctions. As that turd, Gowdy, implored (paraphrased) "you could at least act like you're innocent"

Gowdy, and others, know what's up and how the GOP will be going down for their CA involvement. Is his retirement an admission of guilt (that's how I see it) and does this help avoid prosecution if found to be knowledgeable about foreign involvement in their campaigns?

That stunt with the embassadors alone shows how Trump and Putin work together to dupe the public.

They're really really bad at it, R333.

Has the fake diplomatic expulsions been reported by WP or NYT?

Bette Midler REALLY can't stand Trump. Can you tell by her tweet?

The fucking journalists in this country should be shouting about all of Trumps traitorous fuckery! The who don't are complicit traitors too!

Remarkably lifelike, R336.

Another fan of Seth Abramson. He's a great source of legal analysis of this entire mess.

If Seth is/was a Bernie Bro, he can't be that smart. When Bernie go "campaigning" again, will Seth be pushing his scam?

Thanks for confirming Seth's accuracy, troll at r339.

r335....so far only USA Today has mentioned it.

^^^^^^Thats the curse of coming out on a Friday evening.....hopefully MSM will be all over it on Monday ^^^^^^^

Rachel will cover it.

Remember when we thought we'd hear from Mueller around Christmas? It's Easter. His silence is maddening, ominously so. Cheeto must be going out of his mind.

We all know he is waiting to see how the midterms go.

Looking forward to REAL Congressional investigations!

Building a RICO case takes years. Not surprising this is taking a long time.

Didn't he do the same exact thing with Gotti? One day nothing and then boom, all of them were picked up and jailed. Let us pray....

The Midterms are a worry. Because as we get closer to November, Trump is going to have to do something Or Mueller is going to have to do something. If the Dems win big and take the House and the Senate, Trump will fire Mueller. BOOM like that. And then the Dems will re hire him and begin the Impeachment. But if Trump fires him now it will help the Dems win. OTOH, if he leaves Mueller alone and keeps distracting us with Korea and his big meeting and faking it about Russia, as long as the economy doesn't tank, we'll risk only gaining in the House and not doing anything with the Senate, maybe even losing a seat or two.

r348, I don't think we stand a great chance of taking back the Senate anyway. All of the polls seem to suggest this is the case.

The Senate is pretty much split anyway......If Trump gets impeached by Congress, there is a HIGH probabilty he will be removed from office.....remember, we are not talking about a blowjob here....The Senate is the stop gap.....they would not remove Clinton for such a blatant partisan attack.....with Trump, there will be plenty of criminal charges.

Keep in mind that if the Democrats do get a majority in the Senate, they're not going to get enough seats to convict Trump in a Senate trial without Republican help. Any case Mueller brings is going to have to involve conduct so undeniably criminal and prove Trump's own guilt so conclusively that they will have absolutely no choice but to vote with the Democrats.

Just looked at the headlines and saw this: "Trump: Amazon's post office "scam" must end"

It's time that Trump's scam presidency must end. Sick bastard.

Mannnnn. I was so caught up watching the Ten Commandment on ABC I forgot Richard Engel on MSNBC. He was killing it. HUGE Expose' about Putin and the nerve gas poisonings and assassinations. Richard is a great investigative journalist and I always fear for his safety.

How much do you want to bet THIS is the reason behind Trump’s attacks on Amazon?

LOL! R354 ya think??? It's that and the fact that Bezos is the owner of the Washington Post and they kick Trump's ass every fucking day.

R354 There's no reason to bet. It's common knowledge. Trump makes no secret of his hatred for Bezos.

Traitor for sale or rent,

Rooms to let, $50.

R357, I like it. Traitor for sale or rent would be an appropriate title for the next thread. Let's put it on the list. Although I do like the consistency of our wit so far.

the stock market is going to tank in October, r348, right before the midterms.

Think black Monday 1987 style. People will fucking panic and the algorithms won't be able to deal with the swing. In a weird twist, this will make things worse than they would have been if traders had been calling the shots.

Nevertheless, we need to keep driving toward taking back the house. Register people to vote. Remind people to vote, canvass, make calls - do what you can so we get every voter out. When we vote, we win.

If you're the introverted type, sign up to send postcards to voters which is what I'm working on this weekend. Every thing helps. We can do this.

Not sure if I posted the link correctly, but this story is almost as important if not equal to Mueller's investigation. It goes hand and hand with what Putin and others are doing to gradually and completely take over this country. We need to pay a lot more attention to it.

Did y’all catch Joy Reid’s reply to Mike Flynn Jr’s tweet that said David Hogg wasn’t smacked enough as a child?

“Are you implying that in addition to being a felon and taking money from both the Kremlin and Erdogan’s Turkey (allegedly to kidnap an American resident and rendition him) your father smacked you when you were a child? And do you believe you turned out better than David will?”

Bitch. Slapped.

LOLOL! I love Joy Reid.

R360 posted a very important link. We need to be paying attention. Our enemies have deep pockets. #RESIST

R361 Joy Reid also tweeted this:

"Republican sources telling me there is definite chatter about Steve Scalise replacing Paul Ryan as speaker. Per one: he's seen as someone significantly farther to the right, who can stoke more base enthusiasm in November"

R362 There's another thread as well.

R361 The deplorables are obsessed with Hogg. All they need to do is shut up and the kid will fade away with the news cycle, but they keep stoking the fire so his reputation grows. It's the dream of any American teenagers to be able to take down self-righteous hypocritical adults. Weren't they young once?

Was in another room but heard this woman on CNN say Kellyanne was the biggest leaker in the White House.

Don't these people know about rubber panties or Depends? Too many pee stories surround DT.

Here you go, R366.

They've all leaked, though, R367. That's what happens when you put someone like Trump in charge. He thrives on chaos and he always parrots the last thing he heard, two things which tend to result in people jockeying for position and tearing each other down.

Basically, the Trump administration is a living example of "Lord of the Flies."

Lindsey must not be having a social life. Among appearing on Fox, tweets, and interviews every few hours, when does Lindsey have time? Now Lindsey says Trump must be tougher on Vlad Putty. Tomorrow, he will convey..... ..

But if it is back to the Reagan 80s' for Lindsey, some nostalgic, prime, and exciting times await.

This was just posted on one of the Hogg/Ingraham threads. I thought it was worth another look on here is well.

His apology seems even more disingenuous to me now than it did then.

From today's (April 1) Financial Times, click Tump Russia ties:

[quote]How much do you want to bet THIS is the reason behind Trump’s attacks on Amazon?

How was Forbes able to ascertain trump's wealth? I thought that was the great unknown.

[quote]Basically, the Trump administration is a living example of "Lord of the Flies."

Piggy dies.

This is more like Lord of the Assholes.

Which explains the flies, r374.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

A more direct link.

R374 On behalf of all the assholes in this world, I am deeply offended!

^^^ When some people call other people assholes, they don’t always mean it in a good way.

^^haha

His point was, calling Trump an asshole is insulting to assholes.... Trump doesn't climb down to the gutter, he climbs up.

Oh my hoo-hoo, I just love DL funnies.

So like you remember that scene in Game of Thrones when Lord Commander Mormont and his Nights Watch were quartered at Craster's Keep when they went out ranging, and then Jon Snow followed old man Craster that one night, and he saw him? He SAW him take the new baby boy out into the woods and lay the baby boy in the snow by a tree. And then he left...or Jon Snow thought he left, and the White Walker came and took the baby, and Jon Snow SAW him. He saw the White Walker take the baby!!! And then he got hit in the head and knocked unconscious.

Now, Jon Snow was the Lord Commander's steward and trusted aide. So you'd think the Lord Commander would be all, like upset, right? But no. The Lord Commander asks Jon what he was doing out there in the middle of the night, and when Jon tells him, the Lord Commander already knew!!!!! He KNEW. But he rationalized it by telling Jon that Craster had been the difference between life and death for many rangers out here and there was nothing he could do about it. So he decided to ignore it so he could stay at Craster's and make sure his men could shelter there. OK?

Bad decision. Because all along Craster was helping the enemies of humans. He was appeasing the White Walkers who were probably going to end up killing him anyway. Well, that's how our foreign policy is operating. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but with Trump, he has no idea how to act or how everything is connected. So he plays footsie with the Russians, and he is allowing Russian influence to expand and we are going to have HUGE problems with Turkey and everywhere else. Trump is Craster.

Not collusion...not incompetence...not cruelty... it's the corruption, stupid.

That's one of the best pictures of Trump I've ever seen r383!

Astonishing unforgettable image @ R383, though unfair to pigs and their much higher IQ.

Shame the image can't be put on the biggest billboard in NYC, but he's bound to see it and feel the burn anyway.

No President I can recall has ever received, justly, such graphic contempt - the KKK covers, the Lazy Boy cover. Come Nemesis, art departments will need to be at the top of their game. Can't wait.

Looks like Papadopoulos got drunk again and starting running his mouth...about Jeff Sessions. Oops!

I'm shocked that such a valuable witness is roaming around Chicago going to club getting drunk and chatting up strangers. I think in an odd way the Papadopoulis couple are flattered by celebrity. It may be their undoing. For Mueller to have this guy out here like this could compromise this investigation. I'd have the little booger locked in a safe house somewhere and escorted everywhere he went. It would take no effort at all for the Russians to "sweeten" his cocktails with a paralyzing nerve agent. And WTF would we do if that happened? Oh. We'd throw out a couple more diplomats from Seattle.

Of course we learn this from the Russian press office lol

@AndrewBeatty:

#BREAKING @AFP (Moscow) President Trump has invited President Vladimir Putin to visit the White House: Kremlin

That's just insane r388 - and it is exactly what Putin wants - to throw his power over us right into our faces.

Russia has won.

Russia will never win. There will be protests in front of the White House that day, and Putin will receive a welcome by the American people that he will never forget.

R382, does this post make sense if you've seen Game of Thrones? I couldn't stand it, so this post read like fanfic to me.

"Whitewalkers" sound like something the Trump Administration would be into, though.

Should never happen.

R383= Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others.

I read through a cartoon history of the Reagan Administration recently. The one thing Trump can claim is inspiring even better political cartoons and visual commentary than any other president.

Putin is the Night King. Robert Mueller is Jon Snow.

R391, I was just tring to have a little fun with a dire situation. Anyone who's seen GoT will understand it.

Papadopoulos better be careful! He might have an unfortunate accident, or be suicided

Corruption AND Collusion AND Incompetence

AND Cruelty

It's interesting that the club Papadopoulos and his wife were hanging out is Hydrate, a gay club. Maybe they feel safer in a gay club at this point?

Oh, gee, I don't know, R388.

[quote]President Trump has invited President Vladimir Putin to visit the White House: Kremlin

Odd that Trumpy hasn't trumpeted this Helen Keller move in a tweet - it's almost as though he'd be sensitive about accusations of collusion.

Or maybe it's that recently the US joined France and Germany in standing by the UK against Russia in the poisoning of three UK citizens.

Nonetheless, kompromat is kompromat, and Putin of course wants to see what his janitor has been up to in Russia's new territory. Hard to know how this fits with MAGA, but made to fit it will be.

r111, Not "the most." Tip O'Neill, Sam Rayburn, Henry Clay.

The lease tightens.

*leash*

UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE......

No wonder Lou Dobbs gives him a tongue bath every night. He needs to lap up enough shit to spew for that hour.

Meet your next White House Chief of Staff

What's unbelievable is that the tale of this White House of Horrors just keeps getting scarier!

And now Trump's is doing serious and immediate damage to our 401Ks with his attacks on Amazon. I know the Deplorables don't have 401K's but many of the selfish, greedy fucks that voted for him will now suffer with us in the real world.

Yes, R408. Once Trump realized he can move the market, grab headlines and inflict pain with this new toy, he'll use it again and again.

R408, what I want to know is who’s profiting from the market tailspins? Trump spends some time with his rich buddies at Marakaka and sends out some tweets that damage the stock market. Who’s buying and selling stocks around his Twitter announcements? Do people around him have advanced knowledge prior to his tweets?

So many questions.

Well if you are a savvy day trader you're probably going to make loads shorting Amazon and others he attacks. This has been going on for a few days now. It's not that hard if you don't mind the risk.

I could imagine some people who own the devil’s building in NYC could use the cash? Hopefully someone is looking into this.

WSJ: Roger Stone said in an Aug. 4, 2016, email to Sam Nunberg: “I dined with Julian Assange last night.” Now, Mr. Stone says, “I never dined with Assange.” Either way, it's gotten Robert Mueller's attention.

Did you or didn’t you, Mr. Stone?

USA Pravda - The new State TV via Fox - abolish the rest

Unless that email is a lie, we now have proof of collusion.

Trump believes that others find him intimidating by being unpredictable (what or who does go after next?). I bet he would cry like a baby if someone would slap him as a reaction to his bully antics.

sorry (who or what does HE go after next?)

[quote]I bet he would cry like a baby if someone would slap him as a reaction to his bully antics.

His baby-cries come through on twitter as 'fake news' at the sane media who don't reflect back his insane self-image.

if they had dinner it would have had to be at the (stinky) embassy.

Standing on the Truman balcony, earlier today, he made a ass of himself right next to the Easter Bunny, and in front of many parents and kids. What do we call this place again?

[quote]I also want to thank the White House Historical Association, […] and everybody who works to keep this incredible house, or building, or whatever you want to call it — because there really is no name for it. It’s special. And we keep it in tip-top shape. We call it sometimes “tippy-top shape,” and it’s a great, great place.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

So, where's Barron?

Can’t these tech companies stop the bots. It can’t be that hard. They are genius masterminds after all.

they don't want to, r424. It's how they make so much $$$

[quote]Can’t these tech companies stop the bots. It can’t be that hard.

It really is, unfortunately. Anything that would be sufficient to stop the bots would also stop a hell of a lot of real people, all of whom would be angry.

That said, it's pretty clear that none of them have really gone after the issue, funding the research and the development teams, employing the number of people necessary to put a dent in this. From what I've read, Google, Facebook, and Twitter have mostly just given lip service to this. It's long past time to hold them accountable.

Look. The FBI and the CIA need to do what they do in the movies. Find some young cyber criminal who's really smart and really good. Tell him he will die in prison unless he helps us destroy the enemies of Murica, and BOOM, like that.

R427, NPR did a segment last week about the Defense Department doing something very similar to what you suggested. They set up some fake entity and whichever hackers got into the system they offered jobs as part of the team to help defend against hackers.

I mean why not? As long as you c an trust them to work on our behalf, I think it's a smart thing to do.

“So, where's Barron?”

Please don’t tell me the poor kid is wearing the bunny suit.....

R420 yes. And since it would be at the Ecuador Embassy, they would have a record of visitors. Whether they would disclose or confirm the dinner-meeting is another matter.

The "WH Bunny" obviously was not Sarah.

[quote][R427], NPR did a segment last week about the Defense Department doing something very similar to what you suggested. They set up some fake entity and whichever hackers got into the system they offered jobs as part of the team to help defend against hackers.

Just like Penelope on Criminal Minds!

I thought truth is supposed to be stranger than fiction.

[quote]Yes, [R408]. Once Trump realized he can move the market, grab headlines and inflict pain with this new toy, he'll use it again and again.

According to twitter, trump is thrilled to discover that he has the ability to hurt Amazon stock value and is planning to continue since he is "obsessed".

"It was really fun meeting the President and First Lady at the White House Easter Egg Roll today, and I was really honored to be the only Black child invited (out of 300). When I got my Easter Eggs home, some of them had the Presidential Seal, and some of them had the logo from Trump International Hotels. Really cool! And then I said to Mama, "Mama, do these Easter eggs smell a little bit like novo---novo---novich---chchchchhhh---novi---chukkkkkkxxxxxxxxxxxxx"

Barron was fired in a Tweet.

Mueller Investigating Whether Roger Stone Had Dinner With Assange

The Wall Street Journal reports that, according to a person “familiar with the matter,” Special Counsel Robert Mueller is investigating whether Trump campaign adviser Roger Stone dined with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in 2016, ahead of Assange’s release of hacked emails damaging to Hillary Clinton.

In an email to former protégé, now enemy Sam Nunberg on August 4, 2016, which the Journal obtained, Stone put things pretty plainly, writing: “I dined with Julian Assange last night.” The very next day, Stone tweeted, “Hillary lies about Russian Involvement in DNC hack – Julian Assange is a hero.” (His Twitter account has since been suspended.)

This has been the slowest and most, shall we say, nebulous Mueller thread in a long time. Do we think the lull from the Mueller investigation is going to last a while or is something big about to explode? I hope we aren't sitting here waiting for something to happen until November. I would assume at least one or two big things are going to happen before then. Maybe a Kushner or Stone indictment? People are starting to lose interest. I know that's not the aim of the investigation but we need to keep the momentum going. I understand it's a slow process but at the rate everything moves nowadays, this glacial investigation needs to ramp it up a bit or throw some meat to the masses.

The first person is being sentenced tomorrow. This is a pretty big deal. Surprised the story hasn't gotten more traction.

Blue touch paper. May the flame be globally cheered, and wildfire ensue.

R439 Is he gay or just British?

R437 That dinner will be enacted in some movie one day. Just two bastards dining on some treasonal dishes.

Oooh, could R442 have just come up with our new thread title?

Treasonal dishes are after all what DL has dished so very well for sixteen months.

I just hope the distraction of the Stormy Daniels mess will bear fruit and get Michael Cohen charged and convicted of something illegal. He's a rotten son of a bitch and he needs to go to prison so some real violent offenders can kick his ass ad have him singing soprano. There have been things happening related to the investigation, directly or indirectl, but the media wasted too much time on Stormy.

I'm still sitting here pissed off at Papadopoulis. If that little fucker jeopardizes this case in the slightest way I will slap him viciously across his face, ....and more than once. While this matter is pending he shouldn't be hanging around public places, especially bars discussing it with strangers. And of course the media knee jerk reaction is to hype ever non story, every detail as if it is brand new when maybe it isn't.

It's not just the fake news we have to worry about. I find that easier to deal with that the garbage news that attempts to make significant, the insignificant. The fact is, the media just can't deal with a slow news day, so they fall into the trap of hyping bullshit. Not saying getting drunk and talking about the case is insignificant, but in this instance I don't think he divulged anything about Sessions that has not been reported. He is skirting the edges of what he can and cannot talk about, so he better be careful.

What's at issue isn't that he spilled new information on Sessions, it's about whether he should have been there doing that in the first place, and hopefully he learned a lesson when his new friend ran to the media to report it after he cooperated by taking a picture with him. What an asshole.

Is it legal for a POTUS to target a company's stock value and purposefully sink it?

I work for Amazon and part of my compensation package is stock and this orange fucker is hitting me in my wallet now.

Thank you R446 for showing us how it affects people personally when he goes on these attacks. It seems to me it is not legal to use public office in this way. It certainly would be bad if a member of Congress did it, so it ought to also be illegal for a POTUS> I personally think a class action lawsuit ought to be filed. Bezos could fight back, and he should but it would be even better if employees adversely affected also fought back. Trump is not invulnerable. While we all wait for Mueller, we need to go after him publicly about a lot of stuff.

If you could prove malicious and arbitrary intent MAYBE r446 and r447. But fundamentally it's not illegal for a president to call for higher taxes or tougher regs on a company. He will say that's all he was doing. And unless you have him on tape saying he wanted to hurt the Amazon stock price just to do it, not much you could do to prove he is overstepping

[quote]Is it legal for a POTUS

A question never at the forefront of 45's 'mind.' One of his pet schoolyard responses to advisors is, 'Who says I can't?'

Amazon pays sales tax and has boosted the USPS delivery by 11%. Why is Dump personally attacking Bezos because he owns the Washington Post

Yesterday, a democratic congressman (name escapes me) said anyone who’s lost money on Amazon stock should get a lawyer and sue Trump for stock fraud. I really, really, really want people to start doing stuff like that.

And the answer to your question, r450 is yes. He also hates Bezos because he’s a REAL billionaire.

I saw a suggestion this morning that Bezos should buy Twitter.

[quote] Bezos should buy Twitter

Yes!! And, with any luck, Orange Cheataolini's head would explode.

Or, what passes for his heart. I'm not picky. Whatever is necessary to get him out of our lives.

R431, there's no need to even look at logs. You can bet that the Ecuadorian embassy is under close observation 24/7 by the Americans, the Brits, even the Swedes, who are the ones who want to arrest him for rape.

R454, Roger, the swinger, went in drag and signed-in as Rogelia Vanity, folk singer from Iceland. Fooled them all.

r455, for a brief moment I thought you were referring to Roger, the Alien, from American Dad. That one sure likes his costumes and disguises.

Roger is about one inch from being a cyclops.

[quote] R417: Trump believes that others find him intimidating by being unpredictable (what or who does go after next?). I bet he would cry like a baby if someone would slap him as a reaction to his bully antics.

“Trump wants us to believe...”, you mean.

This is an insecure child’s oldest trick. Trump is trying to mask his own instability by pretending that he intends to be unstable. It’s all BS.

The fact is that, when Obama “telegraphed” his intentions, he never revealed anything that our opponents and enemies didn’t already know based on the intelligence data available to them. Besides, in a democracy, the people need to know what it’s leaders are doing.

If you want to better understand what being unpredictable can mean, read “The Sleepwalkers”, about how Europe stumbled into WWI, because each country thought, incorrectly, that they knew the other side would back down.

Russia's first postal drone takes its maiden flight - and crashes straight into a wall

Was it Acme brand, r459?

Alex van der Zwaan gets only 30 days in prison and a $20K fine...

I sure hope Mueller got some great intel from him; otherwise this seems pretty fucking lenient.

Huh, he's not bad looking

I don't get it. So they busted him, he pleaded guilty and went to jail for 30 days? Damn. What did he plead to. What were the charges. Don't tell me to check the link. I'm asking YOU.

Chris Christie said that lying to the Feds is a violation under 18 U.S.C. 1001. He wasn't talking about the lawyer, but I would imagine that would be the charge.

There's a fraud/crime exception to attorney client privilege. If he lawyer admitted to Mueller that he helped his clients with a crime, attorney/client privilege is blown.

That sounds lenient to me too R463, but I have no idea how other people who lie to the FBI are sentenced.

He probably gave up something to get such a lenient sentence. I wonder what the prosecution asked for and what the typical sentence is for someone convicted of what he was charged with.

Its not....1...hes a foreigner.....2....hes an attorney.....3.... hes supposedly cooperating.....and 4...hes now a convicted felon.......remember, this is not a key player.

^^^^^meaning he can no longer practice in the US^^^^^^

He definitely gave up something, however small, or else the feds would have made a sentence recommendation higher than his lawyers asked for. He's a bit player, but DOJ doesn't let someone off of lying to them unless they get something in return.

I betcha the Manafort gang was in shock when they heard Mueller's reach extended to this lawyer. It probably was kind of "Damn how did they know about him." Mueller is leaving no stone unturned. Lots of vermin scurrying around running from Mueller. Hah.

[quote]It probably was kind of "Damn how did they know about him."

Yep, the smug arrogant assurance that (with the help of Putin and Fox) they were untouchable masters, will be beyond blissful to see slowly dismantled, and laid bare forever.

Never mind Russia, trump has been engaging in illegal business practices for years and years. It's going to take such a long time to unravel it all.

R469 (and one other poster previously). Good point.

It's mostly being reported that van der Slaat DIDN'T flip like Gates and instead gave in to sentencing. But it was such a light sentence that it must have been part of a negotiation. He must have committed a crime far greater than what's been revealed so far. Most still have no idea of what Mueller knows and has so far accomplished.

Point being, his seemingly light sentence might be a good thing.

Per MSNBC, his sentencing was right in line with recommendations. Take that for what it’s worth. I think he was more a symbol than anything.

Hes a lawyer....and now a convicted felon....so his career is essentially over.....

But his father in law is one of Putin's ogliarchs, so it's not like he'll be working at KFC the rest of his life. Plus, because of that connection there was no chance he was going to sing for Mueller. Otherwise he would be getting a nice Poison Sandwich in his lunchbox.

R474 "Per MSNBC, his sentencing was right in line with recommendations"

Yes. For the crime we know about. But what about the greater crime(s) he committed we don't know about? Again, we don't know what Mueller knows, so just speculating and trying to be hopeful.

R476 .... Good point. But perhaps part of his agreement with Mueller was that in return for his damaging testimony, he would publicly be sentenced for a lesser crime so that the oligarchs will believe he didn't flip. And thus not hunt him down and kill him!

I like “ogliarchs”. I will use the term more often.

DJT is not rich enough to be an oligarch. But aspires to be.

Miss Lindsee is having a radio interview this afternoon. She is on TV daily. The Senate is on spring recess or something. She could go anywhere to find menz on vacation and special interests would pay. No, she has to blab her cutesy opinions twice a day.

"Oligarch" is not used figuratively in Russia. It's the group of people who were wealthy enough to buy up huge chunks of the soviet union before they collapsed. They each own a piece of what was the second largest government in the world. It's not meant to just refer to a wealthy person

Didn’t they just come back from their winter break? Do politicians ever do any work?

[quote]Do politicians ever do any work?

Of course we do! We work very hard. Putin's not going to fellate himself, ya know.

It may be that this conviction is part of something uch larger in the sense that maybe they intend to use it to confirm something Manafort is denying.

Alex van der Zwaan plead guilty but was NOT cooperating with Mueller. That is something that made this an oddity, as usually, people do both, or neither. Unless he is somehow cooperating in secret, if that is possible.

These sentence does seem incredibly lenient.

Also, a 30-day sentence would usually be served in a local jail, not in a state or federal prison. Jails are far less scary.

He will lose his license to practice law in the US.

R485 I think he's just a go-between guy and doesn't have anything that Mueller couldn't get from bigger fish.

According to the Washington Post, Mueller told Trump’s attorneys the president remains under investigation but is not currently a criminal target. What does this mean?? I really hope it’s Mueller just baiting Trump and giving him a false sense of security!

R487 Under investigation keeps him open to become a criminal target. Mueller is keeping both sides off his back while he does his work.

R487 thanks, I do believe this is what’s happening but sometimes I just start panicking that we’ll be stuck with Trump until 2021. It’s hard to keep morale up while this guy dismantles our country.

^R488

A corrupted administration, supported by billionaire donors that own Congress, indebted to Russia, got elected due to Russia, a Congress infiltrated by Russia and does nothing but fawn to treason, one popular corporate cable channel doing propaganda for Russia, the other corporate media seeing $$$$$s from the saga, intelligence agencies quite slow in exposing, Comey was too slow in raising alarm bells, but ripped his opponent to help swing an election, and 40 or so percent of the electorate are brainwashed, delusional, and deplorable.

Rise up and purge. The gillotine was a useful old tool for leaders betraying their country for power and obscene greed.

ALL it means IMO is that maybe they think their case isn't strong enough...yet. THey want hard evidence and they want clarity. It is no little think to charge a POTUS with a crime. So I think the standard Mueller is using is pretty damn high and that's good. It also means they are still investigating and based on evidence and testimony, they could target with criminal charges in a heart beat. I would not be breathing a sigh of relief right now if I was him. His lawyer Dowd gave him good advice. Trump ignored it and Dowd resigned.

Make Guillotines Red Again!

[quote]"Oligarch" is not used figuratively in Russia. It's the group of people who were wealthy enough to buy up huge chunks of the soviet union before they collapsed. They each own a piece of what was the second largest government in the world. It's not meant to just refer to a wealthy person

the oligarchs didn't "buy" the assets, they were basically given away to the well connected when the soviet union dissolved. they only became wealthy because the vast resources of the country were passed on to a few.

R494 Russia needs another revolution against all the gangster oligarchs, but they probably have their own private army to protect them and Putin has learned to use rigged "democracy" as a cover to continue his mandate.

[quote]anyone who’s lost money on Amazon stock should get a lawyer and sue Trump for stock fraud

There also should be a class action suit against facebook for selling private information of millions of fb users to third parties.

There should be a class action suit against the super rich anyway for pillaging the world's resources and leaving nothing for billions of people who only get poorer and poorer. This trend isn't going to stop and will only get worse, few have all the money and power and the average Joe is struggling to make ends meet.

That's what I'm talking about, r493!

In the OP pic, Melinia looks like she’s wearing a porcelain mask.

Wouldn't that be nice? A law for Facebook and Twitter to identify bots. But that might cut into their inflated "active users" bottom line.

Tough shit for them. If they say they can’t control their platforms, then they should be forced to shut it all down and start over. Watch how quickly they suddenly find a way to identify bots.

Both chicks in the OP pic are ugly.

When do you think Russians will start to realize they’ve been grifted to an extent they will be fighting over scraps and tearing each other apart whilst doing it? When will their next revolution be? I realize we are heading in the same direction in the USA too, that’s not lost on me.

r502 They don't care about any of that as long as they're perceived to be an important player on the world stage. They eat and warm themselves with patriotism over there, didn't you hear?

But yes, it's very tragic and about to get even more tragic with the electrification of transport. It's basically like a really long epic con being pulled on an entire country.

I don't like this. They need to interview the POTUS as a "last step" before they write their report on Obstruction? Fuck. we all know he obstructed justice. There is a theory out there that Mueller will write his report nd deliver it to Rosenstein, who will give it to Congress to act on. Now if they give it to Paul Ryan's House, it will die there. The fucker broke the law, criminal obstruction of justice, and he will not get justice from Ryan. Why the fuck can't Mueller wait and deliver the report to the Dems.

there were no democratic traditions or institutions in russia constraining putin's power grab, trump and his rethuglican enablers are well on the way to turning america over to our oligarchs and demolishing democracy. thankfully trump bare-chested on a horse is a sight that even the deporables could not stomach.

Link

What Trump is doing to Amazon, depressing their stock by repeatedly publicly lying about them, is illegal. It is called stock fraud according to my boy Lawrence O Donnell. So yeah. Time to sue that motherfucker. Because it's a fucking crime and if the fucking law enforcement won't do their job and file charges, And Bezos doesn't file a criminal complaint then all of us who have the fucking stock need to sue that fucking bastard.

From R506's link:

[quote] Trump is a subject but not a target, and some advisers are reportedly concerned that “subjects of investigations can easily become indicted targets.”

Oh, really now. Ha! Of course that is a very real possibility. You can move from subject to target in the blink of an eye. I think that Mueller told them that because if he had said Trump was a target, Trump would have had him fired immediately.

....and Trump and his ambulance chasers fell for it.....Trump only hears what he wants to hear.

Confessions Of A Former Sinclair News Director

Trump not a "criminal target" of Russia Investigation

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III informed President Trump’s attorneys last month that he is continuing to investigate the president but does not consider him a criminal target at this point, according to three people familiar with the discussions.

In private negotiations in early March about a possible presidential interview, Mueller described Trump as a subject of his investigation into Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. Prosecutors view someone as a subject when that person has engaged in conduct that is under investigation but there is not sufficient evidence to bring charges.

The special counsel also told Trump’s lawyers that he is preparing a report about the president’s actions while in office and potential obstruction of justice, according to two people with knowledge of the conversations.

Something's off about the story at r511.

The Trump team is leaking this.

r512....of course they did. Has there EVER been a leak from Muellers team ? And its relating supposed conversations had with Trumps lawyers......its a diversion.

R510 Thanks for posting. I think that story deserves it's own thread.

So Trump is going to get away scott free?

Yup, he's off the hook, r515! Well not quite yet, but we shouldn't think the investigation will automatically remove Trump from office. Trump views things as PR issues, and he's right. His legal exposure is likely limited. If he can convince congressional leadership that they won't lose support by backing the administration, I don't see the Republicans suddenly growing a conscious.

Trump's best bet is to get some of Mueller's findings about himself into the public where the shock value will soon wear off and the investigation into the campaign and the president himself will become just another of the cast of stories the press keeps on about. You'll hear that the White House has "addressed it extensively" from the briefing room. If he can survive the first direct blow, he can possibly survive them all.

Trump will not be an object of criminal investigation until indictments are issued.

He will not be...until he is.

'Not sufficient evidence' and 'at this point' are qualifiers which imply impetus in the direction of finding sufficient evidence.

The 'conduct' investigated so far is unlikely to have a neat limit, so a shift from 'subject' to 'target' - the distinction and direction put out there for all to consider - surely remains in play.

'Helping police with their inquiries' can be a useful euphemism.

Rachel Maddow reported tonight that Ron Rosenstein at some point had it arranged so that someone has already been appointed to continue Mueller's investigation if for any reason if Mueller is unable to. Therefore, if Mueller is fired, it doesn't end the investigation, it just makes the ramifications worse for the person who arranged his firing.

Trade war with China just escalated...Futures market tanking. Trump is just a cry baby who will wreak everything in sight, because he can't see beyond his tantrums.

Please get started on Volume 20 so it's ready when I get home!

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Linked below is a good analysis of the WaPo aricle

paywall link, R522

Reportedly Mueller told Trump's lawyers that he is not under criminal investigation

I'm crying as I type

The special counsel has also told the president’s lawyers that Trump is not a criminal target AT THIS POINT.

He's also keeping track of everything Trump has done in office.

All this latest development means is that Mueller doesn't feel like the evidence meets the test to consider Trump the target YET. YET. He wants a stronger case. This is a POTUS. He wants it airtight, not speculative. He is still investigating and Trump can turn from a subject which he currently is, to a target, in the blink of an eye. Anyone in the Trump circle who feels "relieved" and thinks this is confirmation of innocence (haha) is a fool. Mueller is giving Trump's people a heads up. He is still pursuing a meeting to determine "state of mind" on the Obstruction stuff, even though he already has enough. My only problem with the Obstruction charges is that the process as outlined, lays it all in the lap of the House of Representatives. That pisses me off. But again this is also speculation. It's all up to Rosenstein. He will get Mueller's report. They will meet to talk about it. Then Rosenstein has to decide whether to make the report public and whether to file charges based on the report, or to hand the report over to the House for review and action. I think Rosenstein can also make a recommendation to the House. I sincerely hope the rats at the CIA have some really bad evidence of dirt on Paul Ryan and he either resigns or decides to move forward with impeachment. Because that's the way it needs to happen. Trouble is the timing. We are in the midst of an election. If Rosenstein delivers his report and it's ignored, what happens to the report? If the House changes hands do the Dems get a chance to re open the issue?

Muller's making a list, and he's checking it twice

He's gonna find out if Donny's been naughty or nice.

I think for this phase of the investigation I'm going with Jeffrey Toobin, Lawrence O Donnell, and Rachel Maddow. Maybe Ari Melber who keeps batting his eyes at me, but I think Toobin over Melber on this one. Melber is smart, but he doesn't have the seasoning for this. (I think of all the legal consultants they use, my favorites are Barbara McQuaid and Ackerman.)

R527, I know the answer to that one.

[quote] R526: If Rosenstein delivers his report and it's ignored, what happens to the report? If the House changes hands do the Dems get a chance to re open the issue?

Good question. To my understanding, if Paul Ryan ignores whatever comes up, and the House changes hands, I can think of no legal reason to prevent Pelosi from proceeding with impeachment. Actually, if the Republicans attempted to impeach Trump, but were unable to do so, I think Pelosi could still repeat the process after the election. They could do nothing but repeatedly take the matter up. The only thing to block them from doing so, is whether or not the public supported the effort.

Tryin' to Find a Treason

It'll Be Open Treason on You

Enough with names that come from country songs sung by women! Just NO!

[quote] Reportedly Mueller told Trump's lawyers that he is not under criminal investigation. I'm crying as I type

Stop crying because you've read that completely wrong. Trump is not a target of the criminal investigation. He is a subject of the investigation at this point. He can very easily move from subject to target.

So, snap out of it.

R524 is a concern trolling quisling.

As I think about it, process wise, I think if Rosenstein really wants to do the right thing, he will make Mueller's report public. He has the discretion to do that. Because if he keeps the report under seal, and delivers it to Ryan, then we have to depend on Ryan.

And I can almost write the script for Speaker Ryan: "We have reviewed the report and while there are some things in it that are "troubling" and we all know how the President can sometimes say things (wink, wink) there's nothing in this report that rises to the level of an impeachable offense. We take impeachment very seriously, and this report is thorough and FINAL. And Impeachment is off the table!!!!"

But if Rosenstein makes the report public, the outrage and the drumbeat for impeachment will be loud and strong and it will definitely affect the outcome of the election if Ryan refuses to act.. So we all need to hope Rosenstein makes the report public. I think he will. We know the Dems want it to be public. And Rosenstein is not stupid. He will not want the tidal wave of Democratic Congressmen in the House, the same House that approves his budget, to walk in the door January 3,2019 and be angry at him...assuming he is still around. His new Deputy worked in the Trump transition. Yes. He needs to recuse himself.

There is a difference between a criminal target and counterintelligence target.

It was not reported that he is not the latter.

No worries about that report being hidden, once that sucker leaves Mueller's hands , that thing will leak quicker than Mama's Mussey at prison yard

CNN's Katelyn Polantz @kpolantz

Funny thing from the history books: The Starr/Lewinsky investigators refrained from admitting to President Bill Clinton’s lawyers he was a target before his grand jury interview, even though it was clear he was. Didn’t want that bombshell politicized.

"I am not fifty years old!" said the man who’d been 49 for 364 days.

Give Me One Treason

Treasons Change.......

Treason change winter to spring.

All the Pretty Treasons

The Fall of the House of Treason

Much Ado About Treason

I think even if we have criticism or problems with Amazon from time to time, we need to show our support and poke our fingers in Trump's eyes. We need to do one or both: Contact Amazon customer service and tell them we support them; and buy something on Amazon. Last night I rented a movie. It was crap but I watched it. But I hope we can see a discernible increase in sales for them as a repudiation of Trump. He's pissed at Bezos for owning the Washington Post and he's pissed because online shopping is killing his retail leases. Good. I want his entire fucking family to go bankrupt. I want to see him battle lawsuits and have legal problems until they bury his ass six feet under the ground.

Good point, R537. Important point.

R538 if the report goes to Congress, yes, it will leak, in part. But if it stays within the FBI it will not. But the FBI will be bombarded with FOIA requests by the media, to release it. Put yourself in Rosenstein's shoes. Ask yourself, what would be in his/FBI's best interests? I say releasing it would be. It has received too much attention too many people have been following its progress and a lot of time and money and resources have been spent and Mueller himself is legend, so you really cannot justify burying the report.

R545 good post. I hadn’t thought of that angle with the retail leases. Question for the board—other Than laundering money, does Trump’s business really get involved with brick and mortar real estate anymore? My understanding was that he really only licenses his name. And with his name and brand being in the toilet, that doesn’t bode well for his business.

Mueller very much wants to interview Trump and by saying he's a subject but not a target of the investigation, he's probably trying to make Trump feel comfortable enough to be interviewed.

Are the courts going to allow DT to escape Stormy?

Just the initial revelation would have sunk any other politician.

r549...in the past that would be true....but we now live in a world of social media....where everyone is a celebrity and a wannabe pornstar.......

....and you can thank the GOP policies that decimated the educational system and effectively dumbed down america........

WAPO Analysis Article reposted.

(hope it takes)

[quote]Last night I rented a movie. It was crap but I watched it.

Thomas Paine would be so fucking proud.

whoever keeps insisting that Ryan will be the one to get this report, shut your fucking pie hole right now! Just shut it!

We need to remove that smarmy, lying traitor from office and every fucking rethug in November. Ryan won't get a chance to see it if we kick those mother fuckers OUT!!!

Get rid of them! Vote them out so Mueller's investigation is safe and this traitorous cabal is hamstrung.

Trump just needs to testify and get it over with. Why does everything have to take months and months? Lets face it, Mueller has the goods on all of them and that includes Ryan and Nunes.

Something to ponder.....

[quote] Enough with names that come from country songs sung by women! Just NO!

We built this Treason on Rock and Roll!

It should not take a decade to do this investigation...what the fuck is going on?

Turn Up the Heat, I'm Treasin'

Rock Treason (Rock Lobster - The B-52's)

Treason Behaviour (Human Behaviour - Björk)

Treason Away, Treason Away, Treason Away (Sail Away 3X from Enya's Orinoco's Flow).

Looks like Bone Spurs is getting accommodation. Nixon didnt. Bill Clinton didnt. The Republican Congress was brutal toward Clinton. They enable Bone Spurs.

Russians and Bone Spurs have dirt on the lot. Even Miss Lindsey's Emails. That should yield interesting DL reading and commentaries if every leaked..

The third of the electorate that regard Bone Spurs as divinely sent; need to be taken on. No more intimidation from these nitwits.

Roger Stone appeared on the InfoWars radio show the same day he sent an email claiming he dined with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange -- and he predicted "devastating" upcoming disclosures about the Clinton Foundation.

Stone's comments in his August 4, 2016, appearance are the earliest known time he claimed to know of forthcoming WikiLeaks documents. A CNN KFile timeline shows that on August 10, 2016, Stone claimed to have "actually communicated with Julian Assange."

The comments also raise more questions about what Stone knew about WikiLeaks and about the veracity of his claims to have been in contact with Assange, which he now denies

[quote]He's pissed at Bezos for owning the Washington Post

Just watched again 'All The President's Men', with (pre-Trump) extras - underlining Woodstein's tenacity, Deep Throat's heroism, Bradlee's courage. And the scandal got the film it richly deserved: it's a great work.

Then recently saw 'The Post' - which ended with the presses streaming about the Pentagon Papers (K Graham's courage), and a VO of Nixon saying that all access to the WaPo was to be shut down.

So Trump's hatred of Bezos has to be based substantially on fear as well as envy, and the historical portents can be seen as promising. Plus ca change, we devoutly hope.

By treason's tooth bare-gnawn and canker-bit

Treason-Aires Disease

Traitor for Sale or Rent

For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason

Treasonal Defective Disorder

High Treason at the Tippy Top Trump Dump

Bajour

Traitor, There’s A Fly In My Borscht

You Can't Spell Treason Without Reason.

Those all suck r559. I like r566's.

R569 thanks for the laugh!

It's the time of the season for TREASON!

Treasonal Allergies Treasons in the Sun Treason-Aires Disease (I still like that!)

We had Joy

We had fun

We had Treasons In the Sun

Bezos is younger, richer and more respected.

Betty Bowers has dubbed DJT Jr "Traitor Tot."

Don Jr.; where's he been lately? Hunting rare parrots in South America?

Springtime for Treason?

R578 thank you. Interesting--they have my race and political party wrong.

R580 how about "Springtime For Shitler" ?

J’accusé - Treason!

I love “Treasons in the Sun”.

Mendacity!

Treasons to be Cheerful

I am the Lorax! I speak for the Treason!

Calm Before the Treason.

A Man for All Treasons

Please refer to R521. A list of all previously used titles, including "A Man for All Treasons."

Some of you are just repeating previous thread titles and some of you aren't even following the naming convention!!!

Link to new thread for when this fills up.

Treason: Pee Pee Girls one Reason

We need to move beyond song titles. For treasons known to them is one of the best titles, so far.

Beyond A Treasonable Doubt.

Will Slutsville turn to Splitsville?

I can't wait for Trump's White House wedding late in 2019. Just like Grover Cleveland, except his Frances could speak English.

Beyond a Doubt Treasonable

They speak of Treason....

Link to new thread.