Call Me By Your Name Part 16

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No, OP. No. Someone else already created a new thread

We’ll let the people decide. Frankly I don’t like that OP’s insinuation that their relationship is devious.

Makes it odd that you posted this in the previous thread then

[QUOTE]I’m a gay man and I agree that the movie is inappropriate and creepy. Timothée has the underdeveloped body of a 16 year old kid.

Fine, this can be the thread for the pedo trolls and whatnot. Enjoy yourselves.

That’s called sarcasm.

16 threads? This movie isn't worth 16 replies!

This is a fine film that’s getting rave reviews.

What a pit that Arme Hammer looks 20 years older than the very young LOOKING Timothee Chalamet.

Has the director explained why he chose 2 actors who look so massively different in terms of age.

It's kind of creepy.

I'm going to stick with this thread. The other one called it "a queer masterpiece."

Someone ulpoaded this movie on a gay porn tube. LOL.

Link?

Too many threads about such a crappy movie, imo.

I'm tired of white gay gentiles getting raves for depicting gay Jewish men as sexual predators.

Was anyone here on DL when Brokeback Mountain came out? I wonder if there were so many threads about that movie back then.

In any case, I'm sure these threads will stop once the Oscars are over. Unless LG goes ahead with the dreaded sequel, that is.

r14, I was here and there were tons of threads on BBM (and Heath and Jake), coupled with all the Toothy Tile blind items from Ted Casablanca, which had everyone speculating about Jake Gyllenhaal's sexuality. It's somewhat reminiscent to what's happening now with CMBYN, but BBM was a bigger deal culturally at the time so there was even more chatter.

[quote]I'm tired of white gay gentiles getting raves for depicting gay Jewish men as sexual predators

Aciman, Hammer, and Chalamet are all of Jewish descent.

But both the characters are not.

Armond Hammer just pulled the pedo card, as did Corey Feldman.

In the book, both characters are Jewish and it's one of the qualities that Elio finds alluring about Oliver, just as it was depicted in the film.

Do they have to be Italian?

[italic]God's Own Country[/italic] has a higher RT score.

Assuming availability, R21, you realize we can see both movies.

R21 That just means a higher percentage gave it a positive review. CMBYN's average rating on RT is 8.8, GOC's is 8.2

Likewise on Metacritic CMBYN has a 93, GOC has a 86.

CMBYN is easily the more acclaimed film.

The critics downgraded GOC for no other reason than the title, and critics have been wrong before.

At least one of them has two men in it instead of a man and a boy.

GOC has only one bad review. CMBYN has seven.

CMBYN has 204 reviews currently and GOC has 97, not a fair comparison.

6 more negative reviews and yet still a higher average rating!

I'm sure the producers of CMBYN will are crying about those 7 bad reviews whilst their film continues to get all of the buzz that GOC doesn't.

GOC is still a better film because it doesn't try to rationalize pederasty.

More buzz doesn't equal a better film.

It does when the reviews back it up.

Critics are sheep and Armie Hammer is a Polanski defender.

Saying "but critics liked it" proves nothing except how easily some people can be swayed by peer pressure:

Maybe we'd know some unfortunate things about the stars of GOC if anyone knew or cared who they were.

Not my fault you're too lazy to take the effort to find that out, R33.

Is there a link for GOC online?

R34 Again no one cares.

I care. I'm someone.

R35: Have you tried actually asking your theater to show it?

You have posted enough about this creepy dago pedo crap already.

I too wish the actors appeared closer in age but it’s still a good movie nonetheless.

[quote] The film plays with the idea of ethnic and class assimilation by pointlessly bringing up Elio’s envy of Oliver’s WASP-appearing Jewishness

What movie did White see? (see link at R18)

In the one I saw, Elio is envious of the fact that Oliver is not embarrassed about being Jewish (he wear the Star of David necklace) versus Elio's parents "Jews of discretion".

It is not a good movie if it believes pederasty is normal. Do you believe a 17-year-old is a consenting adult, R39?

Don't be disingenuous, R40. He saw the same movie everyone else saw.

I just saw the movie. And, man, this was very overhyped and overrated! I like Timotee's acting though.

*Fanboy mode* OMG You guys are talking about GOC!! Haven't seen it yet, but I think it would be good! I also think I would like 120 BPM, I like the trailer.

Was there any reason they couldn't have just made the younger partner 18?

Yes, R45, that’s another thing they could’ve done. They veered from the book in numerous other ways; why not make him 18, too?

But alas, that shouldn’t distract us from what’s otherwise a good movie. What difference does a year make, really?

Where I live, he would still be considered a child under the law, and the older partner would go to jail and lose everything.

R46 Just curious. What is it about the movie that you liked? (This is a serious question, no shade or anything like that)

I am really tired over film "critics" and their form-over-substance attitude towards motion pictures.

I can't remember. Do they actually state Elio's age in the film?

Yes, R50.

R51 when?

R52, when what? He’s 17.

When was it said in the film? I know it was clear in the book, but did they actually say it in the film?

God's Own Country is a far better movie than CMBYN - not least because it doesn't have that creepy pedo vibe.

R55 you're in the minority. Most don't see feel creepy pedo vibes.

R55 are we going to go back to that again? No, GOC is an abomination, a shit copy of Brokeback

R57 I've not seen it. No happy ending?

R57 A shit copy but with a happy ending.

Thank you R59

GOC is better than BBM in one major sense - none of the main characters die in the end.

It was revolutionary in the sense that it's a gay love story with a happy ending; no-one feels tortured for being gay and there is no jaded, coming out arc to the story.

As regards CMBYN - why weren't actors who looked the ages of the characters they were playing picked. Arme Hammer is a very attractive man, but he looks 35. Chalamet played a 17 year old - why couldn't they have made the character 18, and looking 18 as well?

It was unsettling to watch.

R61 are you the pedo troll?? Are you out to ruin this thread too like you have done to the Armie one?

I wonder in the scene in the grass, when Elio grabs Oliver's crotch and rubs it, if they had Armie wearing a cup or something, or if they just went "Yup, you are going to grab his dick and it's actually going to sexual activity on TV between you two".

I saw the movie yesterday. I thought it was great. The father's talk to his son was – alone – worth the price of admission. I was warned that the movie was paced a bit "slowly," so I was prepared for that. In retrospect, the long journey to expressing their feelings for each other, while frustrating in one respect, seemed designed to underscore the lost opportunity of the preceding days and weeks from when they had first met.

I thought it was boring

GOC having a happy ending would be a welcome change.

Brokeback Mountain has such a depressing ending. Can’t believe they showed Jack getting brutalized with the tire iron. My imagination was sufficient enough.

Dear god...17 year olds are legally able to have sex in most countries. Many parents would be totally delighted if their kids waited until 17. And had it with a clean and intelligent person like Oliver rather than some coked out petty criminal. But I suppose if you are from a country that allows you to buy guns before you can buy a bloody beer it's easy to get confused. Brilliant film, Timmy and Armie are so good.

R68 *shots fired*

Lead characters were so annoyingly pretentious I just wanted them to die in the end.

R70, it was nice to finally have a good story that did not involve one of the boyfriends being killed for being gay or dying of AIDS.

Baby steps.

Typical guinea trash. If they were black and Jewish it wouldn't be getting those kinds of notices.

[quote][R61] are you the pedo troll?? Are you out to ruin this thread too like you have done to the Armie one?

Armie did it to himself by supporting Polanski. I can't overlook that.

[quote] Dear god...17 year olds are legally able to have sex in most countries.

Italy's age of consent is 14, yet we are at least a generation ahead of them when it comes to gay rights.

[italic]Brokeback[/italic] was a pandering piece of crap with one of the least sexy gay sex scenes in mainstream movie history. The other Best Picture nominees were even worse.

[quote] Italy's age of consent is 14, yet we are at least a generation ahead of them when it comes to gay rights.

Those two things have nothing to do with one another

It does when bigots use the pedo slur to denigrate us all, R75, and some of them are funded by the Catholic Church.

Enough of this pedo wop crap.

And stop pulling the Jewish card while actively dismissing a film with the name of God in its name.

That is a good movie, r78!

Leave Armie Hammer alone!

From the looks of things, R79, it is a great movie and we need to start demanding that local theaters show it.

At least now we see from r79 s post that the toxic anti black sentiment American dagoes have wasn't created in a vacuum... they got it honest!

Stop posting anything about this glorified nifty.org story in threads that aren't about it.

[QUOTE] Can’t believe they showed Jack getting brutalized with the tire iron.

Oh yeah thanks for spoiling it for me now

R84 you still haven't watched Brokeback? What are you waiting for cowboy , the mating call?

You might just as well watch the movie version of [italic]Oklahoma![/italic] and then watch gay porn.

R85 I've seen many a gay movie but BM isn't one of them. I don't want to be sad afterwards.

This thread is so fucked up, I'm going back to the other one

Fair enough R87

Enough.

STOP SPOILING GOC!!

Seeing it tonight in ATL!!! So excited! I read the book and followed all of these threads. I love you messy bitches!

[quote] STOP SPOILING GOC!!

Stop shoving this wop pedo propaganda in our faces.

R92 Enjoy!! I hope you have a transformative experience.

Hee Hee!!

The best gay film of 2017 is 'God's own country'.

It is an excellent film (without the pedo element of CMBYN)

R96 I cant wait to see it! 😃

God's Own Country is a real work of art.

Kudos to GoC's marketing team.

Excellent job!

Kudos to NAMBLA with 'Call me by your name'

Hideous pedo trash

Just watched CMBYN. I thought the movie was well done. Great performances and a great story. The film was also beautiful handled. I enjoyed it more than I expected based on previous threads.

Glad you enjoyed it, R101.

R98 you have your own thread now, go away

Just blocked the guy from GOC and it turns out it's the same one peddling the cmbyn is a pedo film.

There seems to be a growing consensus that Ansel Elgort would’ve made a better Oliver than Armie.

"growing consensus"? Where?

Not at all OP/R105

There's someone posting that photo (and others of Elgort and Chalamet at the same Knicks game) in the various CMBYN threads and getting shot down because various posters feel Elgort isn't handsome enough.

Nice try though.

[QUOTE]Elgort and Chalamet went to high school together

Which is why their chemistry on screen would be so palpable.

Sigh.

They went to the same high school R108

They are not the same age and did not know each other.

Try again.

But they’ve since become good friends.

Oh OP

You sad, sad old man.

Go jerk off to Ansel and Timothee then.

No one else is buying it.

At least not in the official thread

This is a non-issue. Ansel would've made a terrible Oliver. He wouldn't even pass the first hurdle, when I look at Ansel I don't think 'movie star'. I think cute boy from the cancer film.

There’s no need for you to project your perversions, R112. And if you love the thread so much then stick to it and stay out of this one.

Same for you, R113. Between the two of you, you must make up 95% of the posts there. You’re better off just texting each other (assuming you’re different people). 😂

Is Austin Mckenzie the younger gay version of Ansel Elgort?

Who’s Austin McKenzie?

R117 He is an actor. And has appeared on several gay features like When We Rise and Speech&Debate.

Baby Armie from The Social Network as Oliver?

Nah, too pretty and clean cut. I like 29 yo Armie/Oliver.

Haven’t been the same since watching CMBYN, which is a very powerful film. I don’t know how to feel anymore, and I haven’t stopped crying.

R119 I agree. At 24 he would have been age appropriate for the role but 29+ Armie looks WAY more attractive. He's only looking better with age tbh, Elizabeth better watch out.

The actual age difference between Hammer and Chalamet is more congruent with the story. Ansel Elgort would have been a terrible choice for Oliver. They're less than two years apart in age and would look like peers. Armie Hammer has the matinee idol looks and the impact of his height are just unbeatable. He may not look 24, but then again, what is 24 supposed to look like? These days, guys in their 20s look like teens, but that didn't seem to be the case thirty years ago. Also, some people just naturally look older than their age and moreso when you're taller than average with a deep voice.

Alright then, maybe not Ansel but there’s quite a few others out there who could’ve done it while looking 24.

Fact is the only way in which Hammer isn't perfect for the role is his age. In every other way, he is Oliver. Sure you could find someone younger but you'd have to compensate something else.

I would agree that Armie’s demeanor as Oliver was perfect. But his height did make his movements feel a bit awkward sometimes. I can also see why Luca made him drop so much weight. It de-aged him to some degree.

What about Ben Barnes?

Could Ben have pulled off blond? And would his sometimes-forced American accent have carried the carefree nature of Oliver?

After seeing Armie in this, I'm spoiled on considering anyone else for Oliver. It just doesn't compute for me personally. This seems very well cast and true to the source material. I personally did not see some sort of perverse age difference when viewing this like those who are claiming it as too "pedo". Like all things, it's a matter of perception.

Curious, who is "Baby Armie" at R119? I'm not familiar.

R129, I think the poster just meant that Armie was younger in The Social Network.

Well I think “Baby Armie” would’ve been fine, if not superior.

Got it. Thanks, R130

Steven Strait could’ve done it.

Whoops, here we go (I think).

That's the first alternative Oliver I think could've done it. Question is, would the chemistry between him and Timmy have been there? Looks wise, he's bang on.

That's a really good picture. On other days he looks like this.

Looks good in both pics to me.

He looks like the kind of guy who’d like to show dong.

R134 btw is a still shot from a Starz show called Magic City, starring Jeffrey Dean Morgan and Steven.

Steven strait is hot and handsome, but he can’t act.

We've split into two threads and all but gone radio silent. Awards season needs to start ASAP to give us something to talk about.

R142 Go to the other part 16 thread. I believe that this thread was started by the completely unscrupulous pedo troll (see R4), who I'm completely convinced is a pedophile himself. Or just Mike Pence. (Or both?)

You don't become so obsessed with pedophilia unless you struggle with it yourself.

Honest, Mr. Pedo Troll, I hope you seek help. And if you aren't a pedo, then FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, JUST GO GET THE DICK YOU SO DESPERATELY NEED so you can shut up and leave the rest of us alone.

You guys are getting hung up on the look of his age and why Armie should have been recast - but what about the real reason? He’s wooden AF and a very self conscious actor who appeared to be “watching himself” through the film, where as the other actors (including the younger “gf” and the maid even) I totally believed as real people living their lives. Armie was the weakest part of the film for me and I don’t give a shit how old he looked. Pfft.

I’ve got to disagree you R144. I think the director told Armie to be self conscious....at least at the beginning.

The entire film is through Elio’s eyes: a memory. At first, Armie was an “usurper”. A loud, uncaring and brash American. As the relationship grew between, Arnie relaxed. His hair came down, his clothing was more casual. And he became much more natural in his acting. His posture, his movements, and most especially his facial expressions all said the things that could not be put into words.

I’m impressed by Armie’s performance. I’m interested in seeing him in other films, because of his Oliver.

I’ve got to disagree you [R144]. I think the director told Armie to be self conscious....at least at the beginning. The entire film is through Elio’s eyes: a memory. At first, Armie was an “usurper”. A loud, uncaring and brash American. As the relationship grew between, Arnie relaxed. His hair came down, his clothing was more casual. And he became much more natural in his acting. His posture, his movements, and most especially his facial expressions all said the things that could not be put into words. I’m impressed by Armie’s performance. I’m interested in seeing him in other films, because of his Oliver.

1. Self - conscious and yet "Loud, uncaring and brash"? Elio was supposed to be the self conscious one, and Oliver (being older) is supposed to be self confident.

2. Oliver's wardrobe did not change. Shorts (unflattering white shorts) and dress shirts, swimming trunks and tennis shoes = casual spring to summer wardrobe.

3. Because Hammer looks like a 40 yr old and is attempting to act like a 24 r old. He comes across as awkward, mentally off, and perhaps self conscious.

Fine then R146

R146 just adds to my thoughts at r144 and I agree. I watched it for a third time with a friend the other night as I’m lucky enough to have the screener, and she thought Armie seemed awkward to the point where it distracted and was “bad character choices.” He just had no subtleties that you remember really and I don’t think that is something that is directed or as simple as a director saying “be self-conscious.” I’m not trying to KNOCK him for no reason - just stating my observation that he doesn’t seem to be the same class of actor or maybe he just doesn’t have the same talent. He was obviously mainly chosen for his physical look If u ask me.

Yet, I.e., I noticed the Third time around little things like Elio trying to hide the face that he was wearing Oliver’s shirt when the girl comes to ask him where he has been for three days, etc. the movie still works because you believe that Elio was most definitely in love. But it couldn’t have been a masterpiece with a more skilled vulnerable actor playing Oliver, IMHO.

*could have been a masterpiece ^^^

I think it’s all a matter of interpretation. I thought Armie played it just right given that there isn’t a lot known about Oliver from the novel the film is based. Besides, the Oliver character isn’t necessarily supposed to be as vulnerable as Elio. For all we know, Oliver may have had his heart broken before and was therefore more guarded and more realistic about the limitations of their relationship, their ephemeral time together, and the fact that he didn’t have the same level of support that Elio had that would have made their union a bit more plausible to him. Oliver also had other entanglements back in his own life that we only learned about in the end. That summer might have been an escape for Oliver to a reality that he may not have thought possible for himself or could be possible again. The time thing can’t be downplayed. Oliver was acutely and intellectually aware of the finite amount of time they had together and was much more resigned to it. Elio seemed to feel it on a visceral and physiological level evinced by his emotional release after the peach incident and physically puking from heart sickness(?) on their last night together. This is so much more Elio’s story than Oliver’s. It would be interesting to see the entire summer play out again from Oliver’s perspective to get a better idea of what his internal narrative might be been.

Excellent post R150

It was a beautiful movie. I loved the performances. I think it was well cast.

😮😮😮

In the scene where they are about to drive to Lake Garda, why was Elio upset when his Dad asks Oliver to sit up front and navigate? Was it because he wanted to use the drive as a way to surreptitiously be physically close to Oliver in the small space of the back seat... or was it because the Dad was giving attention to Oliver?

Maybe both, r154. Or perhaps he was annoyed that his dad asked Oliver to sit in the front and not him. I prefer the theory that he just wanted to be close to Oliver.

How long before a porn studio makes a CMbYN inspired film? Let’s cast it...

Actually it could make a lot of $$$ for somebody if done well because the Tumblrina crowd would also go nuts for it as long as the mood is romantic enough.

Won't happen. One thing the fraus don't get is that guys like Timothee aren't considered attractive by a massive majority of the gay community. And the Tumblr crowd don't pay for porn.

Are u kidding, if I’m not mistaken there’s a whole genre of gay porn aimed at fraus who find it titalating.

And gay porn is full of twinks as well as muscle guys.

And what genre is that?

And even Helix twinks are more muscled than Timothee.

Here you go R159....

Oh well, if it's on Vice it must be true. It's definitely not some woman trying to drum up publicity for herself, no way. And that well known studio Icon Male! The first name in porn for sure! I'm sure you love to think that porn studios care what you think, frau, but they don't.

This kid is bigger than Timothée, but not by all that much. Kinda cute.

R156 Ew. What a terrible idea.

R162, in one sense we’re exactly the same size.

There's been about four "Call Me By Your Name" jokes in Seth's monologue.

[QUOTE]How long before a porn studio makes a CMbYN inspired film? Let’s cast it...

There’s already plenty of daddy twink porn.

R165 Seth--??

2 scenes should have been cut (even though in the book): 1)The fruit scene (UGH!) 2)The blathering fatherly monologue near the end with the actor channeling Robin Williams in "Good Will Hunting."

Well the movie received 4 BAFTA nominations: Best Actor, Director, Picture and Screenplay. Along with Timmy's Rising Star.

Finally say CMBYN yesterday and I loved it! It's one of those few movies that would go back and see again while it's still in theaters. Having read the novel back when I was in college, I thought they did a wonderful job in staying true to it. Timothée Chalamet is utterly brilliant and if it weren't for Gary Oldman this year, Chalamet should be walking away with all the awards. I also loved the actress who played Elio's mother, I thought she made the most of the limited screen time she had managing to communicate that she knew exactly what was going on without saying a word.

Chalamet's performance was so perfect that I felt that it eclipses Armie Hammer's performance. Armie was great but I do agree with the opinions that he was too old for the role. Oliver was 24 in the novel but in the movie he appears to be at least a decade older. But that's my only criticism.

I want to see it again soon, too

I personally enjoyed the movie more than the novel. The novel is good but Chalamet's performance as Elio is so wonderful he bring the story to life. The movie resonated with me because it brought me back to my first real love and the happiness and pain it brought me.

Saw it last night and loved it!

TEST

Ok this thread seems to be the most current for CMBYN... most others have been closed by Muriel. Carry on girls!

[quote]2 scenes should have been cut (even though in the book): 1)The fruit scene (UGH!) 2)The blathering fatherly monologue near the end with the actor channeling Robin Williams in "Good Will Hunting."

So you wanted two of the standout scenes to be cut?

No way should they have cut the peach scene... fans of the book would have been pissed and also the audiences at every screening I have seen liked and laughed at Oliver's reaction later "what have you done?!".

Probably this had been posted in the many threads that were closed, but James Ivory won a USC Libraries Scripter Award for CMBYN.