Charlie Kirk Shot In The Neck (and Dead) — Part 3

No and nah

Dump has already moved on.

Reporter: My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. How are you holding up?

Donald: I think very good. . . . They started construction on the new ballroom . . . it's going to be a beauty. It'll be absolutely magnificent.

Have the tears stopped?

Now that "they" who "murdered Charlie Kirk" have been revealed to be white MAGA?

“Daddy’s on a work trip with Jesus!”

I smell a new Lisa Beamer.

Well, R3, we do know he’s white.

What products might the Widow Kirk attempt to launch, a la Lisa Beamer's "Let's Roll" cinnamon rolls?

Charlie Kirk's Easy-Bake Oven, with Jewish and dark-skinned dolls

Charlie Kirk bulletproof dickies

The Charlie Kirk ICE play set: Deluxe version comes with life-size backyard cages to lock up your most pigmented friends

Lady Kirk's "Dark and Grateful" hair care products: To help black women replicate the hairstyles of the 1940s, when life was better for them

Cute shooter Tyler has a slight lisp.

I don't condone anybody being shot, even somebody as reprehensible as Charlie Kirk, but I can't say I'm feeling sorry about it.

It's a shame because he was a fucking idiot. Very easy to take down in debates.

He was worth more to us alive.

Plus, obviously violence is not the way to handle things.

Kirk’s wife Erika is a Stepford Bible Thumper Bimbo. That video released tonight was hilarious. What a moron. Maybe she’ll be Don Jr’s next conquest and they’ll both drop dead from an overdose. Maybe then her kids will stand a chance of being decent human beings.

[quote]Kirk’s wife Erika is a Stepford Bible Thumper Bimbo.

Her hair is lank as straw

Her voice is full of griefs

Her nerves are rather raw

She's got Megan Draper teefs

What the fuck is a groyper??

Or is it grouper?? Isn’t that a fish??

Wow. Battling insomnia and just watched Erika's statement. Sweet Jesus what a hot mess. This feels like a bad, bad nightmare and the cast of evil characters continue to grow. Grieving widow? She's collecting her cash and likely getting stuffed in all holes right now. Her late hubby wasn't giving it to her obviously.

This did make me laugh..

He was murdered by his own target demographic: a straight, white, 22-year-old, college-educated kid from the West with Republican parents.

That profile makes sense because outside of that bubble, nobody really cared. Over the past few days, so many people had to Google who Charlie Kirk was. Even those who recognized his name or a viral clip barely scratched the surface of what he actually said.

The “demonic liberal monster” the right has been screaming about wasn’t an outsider. It was one of their own kids. He was close to home. He was their sons. Outside of Trump, MAGA’s reach isn’t that big, which is exactly why it will collapse without him.

To continue, watching this unfold has made me think about white American culture and how often it latches onto subcultures and fringe groups. For many, “white American” feels like such a thin identity that it creates a hunger for scenes to belong to: beatniks, hippies, punks, goths, MAGA, “queer,” Christian nationalists. The lack of rooted cultural identity makes the white middle class especially vulnerable to cults in the U.S.

You don’t see this pattern as strongly in Hispanic/Latino, Black, or Asian communities or in heavily immigrant European communities on the East Coast. I don’t know many MAGA Greeks or Portuguese girls shaving their heads and declaring themselves non-binary. Their ethnic identities give them a foundation. They don’t have to chase after one.

That’s the problem with America we never really talk about.

Nazi on Nazi crime. Who cares?

Inside Edition gives a really good summary of Tyler Robinson's background.

Such a shame, because he's a very smart guy.

R19 Wow, he was exactly what I was talking about in R16 and that video makes it clear. He was the exact example model of who Charlie Kirk was trying to reach and preach to and convert into MAGA. That was Kirk’s literal mission.

The right doesn’t realize that people outside of that doesn’t really watch or pay attention to them.

R17 it’s an interesting question and one that I have thought about as a black American a lot. Human beings are social animals and need to feel like they belong somewhere, have a sense of community. When you are the majority, where do you find your sense of community? And for young white Americans they can’t celebrate being white, like I can celebrate being black without it being rife with controversy. They can’t celebrate being American like I can without it sounding jingoistic and supremacist. Explaining someone’s privilege to them is like explaining water to a fish. Yes you can intellectually grasp it, but if you don’t feel it in your personal life, it doesn’t much matter - especially when you get to see others celebrating their identities. And truth be told, it stings more when you’re told who you are is bad and you have to carry the weight of the evils of the past. You can call it the “Sins of the father” but there will always be a revolt when people no longer want to carry that mantle. This leaves kids like Tyler vulnerable and ripe for the picking - this unfulfilled need to culturally belong somewhere.

That’s why I find gay white American males interesting. They are one of the few sets of white Americans who understand what being a minority in this country feels like. And some of the few white American males who can proudly claim and celebrate an identity, their community.

Oddly enough, oppression gives identity, community. That’s why people like Charlie Kirk need to paint themselves as victims of a society that’s trying to erase them to gather a following - even though they are a majority with the laws of the land stacked in their favor.

r10 agreed. At least he let people debate him and share alternative viewpoints. There were many times his own arguments fell flat and his opponents came out on top (at least in my view). Other conservative media personalities usually just share their own side. And I hate to say it, but there are other more extremist social media personalities for whom this opens an empty space to fill

Agreed R10. The mythology that has quickly developed that Kirk was some great debater, able to turn hearts and minds with a smile, has long been, well…debatable.

R13 And an excellent musician

Yes, such a brilliant debater.

Here a cute twink destroys Kirk on the subject of DEI.

America was FOUNDED on DEI — the two-senators-from-every-state policy and the Electoral College are diversity, equity and inclusion on their face.

Meanwhile, as late as July, Kirk was trying to bust colleges for renaming their DEI programs to get around Trump's anti-DEI commands.

As in this post on his Twitter account, where he tagged ICE and Kristi Noem.

He was a really evil person, a true sadist just like Trump.

How could Charlie Kirk argue DEI at R25 and NOT know the largest benefactor of DEI by far is White Women. When you go down the list of all the people DEI is designed to help, black people are actually at the bottom of the list behind asian, disabled, military personnel, etc...

I am still trying to wrap my head around the audacity that a 31 yo community school drop out had the nerve to say a black woman like Michelle Obama, a Princeton, Harvard Law School graduate, didn't have the brain power to get a job on her own merits and had to steal it from a white man.

[R21] Great post, I had never really thought that through and it makes a lot of sense.

[quote] At least he let people debate him and share alternative viewpoints

But his whole "debate" program was a platform to put out and normalize the most heinous ideas about everyone who wasn't a straight white Christian man—truly KKK-level stuff. Of course he was an idiot and a terrible "debater," but he made people—smarter people—take his ideas about blacks and women and gays seriously enough to take the time argue them away. His last words were a non-sequitur to divert from a serious question about random mass shootings.

They had their narrative so set and fired up and battle-ready: it’s time to go to war against the Radical Left! NOW! Slaughter them in the name of Charlie!

Then the shooter’s dad turned him in and it became clear he does not fit that narrative. AT ALL.

Now there is confusion among them. Still blame the Left? Pivot to other things like shaming random Bad Libs who celebrated the killing on social media? Declare a conspiracy theory? Just move in?

They don’t know what to do now, as a movement that was 100% fired up and unified and pre-violent and ready to go… until we all learned the name of Tyler Robinson.

R16 the shooter is a 1 semester college drop out.

And by "Sins of the Father" I mean exactly this:

The United States of America was built on land stolen from one group of people through genoicde and built by another group of people through forced labor. When it comes to slavery, it is VERY easy for obvious reasons, to paint this as a white vs. black thing. That is what Jillian Michaels was doing recently by diminishing the effects of slavery by saying there were white people fighting against it. But is is not White vs. Black. The problem with slavery that we still deal with today lays squarely at the feet of the United States government and their inability to acknowledge (not even apologize for) for a governmentally regulated system that enslaved millions of Americans for 100 years after the country's inception. I think a somewhat official apology came under the Biden administration to no fanfare. That is how long it took. This is tantamount to an abusive father who beat his kids growing up showing up to Thanksgiving dinner and expecting all to be forgiven without acknowledging the damage that he has cost.

We have ALL paid for this mistake, black and white. Slavery is not just something that happened to black people. The affects of it have damaged all Americans, and is a stain on our country - that is how it should be viewed. White people pay the price for it now as well. Our government failed us in this area and left us to our own devices to fight it out on our own - to make sense of the repercussions on our own. There was a split second after slavery during Reconstruction when the dangerous proposition of poor black and poor whites coming together was taking root but that was immediately stopped with the institutionalization of Jim Crow and the rise of the KKK, turning us once again against each other. So it was very intentional. And here we are today facing the exact same issues. And we will continue to face the exact same issues because of unaddressed trauma.

And to be 100% honest, I don't even begin to know how you address it now. I have no clue.

[quote] They had their narrative so set and fired up and battle-ready: it’s time to go to war against the Radical Left! NOW! Slaughter them in the name of Charlie!

[quote] Then the shooter’s dad turned him in and it became clear he does not fit that narrative. AT ALL.

From another Kirk thread:

[quote] I accidentally clicked on a post in Reddit's conservative forum and saw a story that the shooter was the only leftist one in his family, according to a friend who hadn't talked to him in a few years. I don't know if it's true, but it's a good reminder that just because someone is from a right-wing family, it doesn't mean they are, too. I'm hoping the story is untrue, because those angry mobs (the Republican party) don't need any more gasoline on their inextinguishable tire fire.

The kid was extremely bright with a 4.0 GPA. Imagine being that bright in a MAGA family where you are handled a gun before the age of ten and your dad is a preacher/cop. Do you think that there were any books in that house? Any travel other than the army gun shows that the family travelled to and posted on FB? No, so this kid was totally susceptible to online radicalization from internet weirdos.

His mother was a social worker who worked with the disabled. I’m sure there were some books in the house. Plus he was an excellent student. so everything in his life was not just guns.

[quote] I don't know if it's true, but it's a good reminder that just because someone is from a right-wing family, it doesn't mean they are, too.

And as I can personally attest, the converse is true, also.

Not sure why taking away opportunities from white women would be a thing he'd shy away from, R27. Smashing up any DEI moves is a total win for someone like him. He didn't like anyone but white, male, straight Christians having any kind of power or money.

All of the things he engraved on his bullets were Groyper memes. We have a 4chan presidency and this kind of thing will happen. The kid was indoctrinated a long time ago. Dressing up like Trump wearing Pepe the frog face. Dressing as another Pepe the Frog meme. He's been online a long time. I bet his parents were thrilled that he was still a flavor of Republican.

BUT THE LEFT, R34!!!

I like how the right is suddenly doing an about-face and almost empathizing with the shooter now that they know he’s one of them. But the left still sucks and is inciting violence!!!

The most we can say now with any authority, R39, is that he comes from one of them. Not - as much as I wish it could be said with authority - that "he’s one of them."

I agree with you R37, but his whole schtick about DEI that he was decimating into the world was that DEI was about black and brown people taking white jobs. For someone acclaimed as an expert debater, it seems like he would have been better informed on one of his tentpole arguments before taking his circus on the road.

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Ashley Allison can go fuck herself. She was on Kaitlin Collins’ CNN show last night alongside Scott Jennings and basically praised Charlie Kirk for his “debate” shit. She was meant to be Jennings’ Dem counterpoint and she was anything but. All she did was say Kirk had said things that had “hurt” her. I don’t give.a shit that she’s been praying about this. She should be ashamed of herself. Fucking phony. I was never a fan of hers but this was certainly confirmation that she’s utterly worthless. And CNN’s oarade of Kirk apologists goes on and on.

Fortunately, it appears that the investigation & prosecution appears be exclusively in the state's jurisdiction. I trust the state officials far more than Patel's FBI to uncover the shooter's real motivations, whether they be from the left or inspired on the right by Nick Fuentes.

This is what will ultimately bring down Maga and Project 2025 and the second Trump government. There's no real unity of purpose behind them, just a coalition of fanatics, saddos and dark triad personalities.

I'm a white American with no particular cultural or ethnic identity and I've had a really good and fulfilling life in large part thanks to, yes, the unique cultural privilege white Americans have to define themselves without others forcing definitions on them. The idea you have to have "white pride" in order to win some sort of competition with Asians or Latinos or whatever is ridiculous to me and is one of the more fucked up lies perpetuated by the likes of the late Charlie.

[quote] that he was decimating into the world

Oh, dear. "Disseminating," maybe?

How is MAGA spinning the fact that the shooter came from a gun toting conservative MAGA family?

Excellent post R45

Seconded, great comment R45.

I’m in the passenger seat on a 1 hour drive and we’re listening to Panic World (Ryan Broderick), a podcast I highly recommend. They’re delving into the “dark/online” culture Tyler Robinson was likely marinating in, based on the selection of memes he inscribed on the bullets. These kinds of young males do not fit onto the mainstream conception of a left-to-right political continuum.

[quote]Reporter: My condolences on the loss of your friend Charlie Kirk. How are you holding up?

[quote]Donald: I think very good. . . . They started construction on the new ballroom . . . it's going to be a beauty. It'll be absolutely magnificent.

Fantasy follow-up:

Reporter: Would it be a fitting tribute to name the new ballroom after Charlie Kirk?

Donald: (Pause, looks around)...No more questions...

Gay students are reporting that they went to peacefully protest Kirk at the rally. The only police they saw were the three dispatched to watch that they didn’t display a rainbow flag, which is apparently illegal

Nancy Mace now calls Tyler Robinson “a lost soul,” right after railing against Dems the day before

Does MAGA really talk about "white pride", r45? I thought Trump won the election because he has a growing appeal for Latinos, blacks and Asians, who find the Democrats with their increasingly "bourgeois" obsessions less relevant to them.

So we go from a deranged lunatic that needs to be stopped to "a lost soul?"

R51, I read the security (nothing to do with flags) was about six officers, plus Kirk's own private security.

R53, that is definitely part of the base. Not everyone who voted for Trump is MAGA. But a strong contingent of MAGA is white pride supremacists.

It's being reported now that Tyler Robinson's partner was transgender and transitioning from male to female.

IF that's so, R57, his motivation could be more personal than political. But that's a hard sell to make to the hoi polloi.

Proverbs 6:12-19 (NJB):

12 A scoundrel, a vicious man, he goes with a leer on his lips, 13 winking his eye, shuffling his foot, beckoning with his finger. 14 Trickery in his heart, always scheming evil, he sows dissension. 15 Disaster will overtake him sharply for this, suddenly, irretrievably, he will be broken. 16 There are six things that Yahweh hates, seven that he abhors: 17 a haughty look, a lying tongue, hands that shed innocent blood, 18 a heart that weaves wicked plots, feet that hurry to do evil, 19 a false witness who lies with every breath, and one who sows dissension among brothers.

So, who does this remind you of?

The story R57 refers to was first on Fox and then in the New York Post, which attributed it to a law enforcement official.

R49, there is no coherent political ideology beyond being radicalised. 10-20 years ago, disaffected and alienated western youth were being radicalised, mostly online, into becoming Islamist terrorists. Today it's this deep web radicalised, lone actor misfit. A hundred years ago it was anarchist assassins.

“THIS is why you’re being defunded!”

Was listening to NPR interview a conservative who claimed it was the left pushing violence. When the interviewer pointed out that the right had killed or attempted to a number of Dem politicians too, the man suddenly went nuts and started up with, “This is why you’re being defunded!!” And blah blah blah

After two days of crazy blustering and blaming the left, interesting how quiet the right has gotten….

Here’s the shameful interview Meena whatsername did with Jack whatsisname on CNN where she won’t push back on his “haters” comment.

He would have punched her if she pushed back. I have no doubt about that

R64, asymmetric civil war? The shooting was done by a right winger.

It’s tiny group vs tiny group war

Apparently people are getting fired from government jobs and public schools for saying anything against Charlie Kirk.

Darn that pesky 1st Amendment. Here comes back pay

[quote] The shooting was done by a right winger.

^ "Measure twice, cut once," good practice before rushing to the news microphones.

How do you know the shooter was a right-winger, r66?

R70, in addition to all the wild conspiratorialists on this Board, we also have our share of posters who are are guilty of cognitive dissonance. Like their MAGA brothers & sisters. I'd love for the Fuentes angle to be proven correct, but for now at least, it looks like his new-found politics - maybe informed by having a transgender partner - aligned more with ours.

Except, ^^^, there isn’t any evidence that it’s actually true.

Where is the proof that he was indoctrinated with leftist ideology?

If true, then, R72, I hope you're intellectually honest enough to be reserving judgment until we have some true evidence.

NYPost is claiming he was living with a trans person

[quote] Where is the proof that he was indoctrinated with leftist ideology?

This is open to question, but there's this:

[quote] When investigators in the killing of Charlie Kirk found a bolt-action rifle near the site where he was shot on a Utah campus, they said they also found casings scrawled with what seemed to be mysterious messages.

[quote] One read, “hey fascist! CATCH! (up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols),” according to an affidavit filed on Friday in a Utah court.

r75, yeah, someone started a thread about it. No confirmation yet from any more reputable source though.

A radicalized person is a radicalized person, be they radicalized to the left or right. But a person who is indoctrinated into "gun culture" and told guns are the answer for everything from the time they can walk, will immediately reach for their gun to "defend" their new found beliefs. I certainly hope the shooter's parents regret sticking a gun in their toddler's hand.

The Charlie Kirk shooter was a Groyper and a meme lord. There is no left wing ideology in his head, not one bit. The people trying to push the narrative he was left wing want a fascist silencing of Trump's political dissidents

How can one be so definitive as R79 at this early point in the investigation?!

r76, over on the Conservative subreddit, they have been calling the left the real "fascists," so that word is not being used by just one group.

Point taken, R81. I would love it if it could be shown that he was a Fuentes disciple.